Joe Rogan Experience #2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. ALL DAY. YOU CAN TALK AS LONG as you want. No, it's up to you to decide. It's up to. you. I'll talk to you forever. I have so many. questions. I'm very excited to meet you. Same. I've seen you in documentaries for. decades. Mhm. So many documentary I've. watched so many things about Egypt. I'm. completely fascinated by it. You know, I. will tell you something.

Do you know this guy used to to do a. radio show late evening? Art Bell? The best. He was the best. need to say this on air. I need to say. this story on air. Okay. Now, are we on air now? Yeah, we're on air. Art Bell. used to every everything to attack me. He attacked you? Yes. Oh. How? They how. I say, how the Egyptian can move stones. Oh. That's not true. The Egyptians. cannot do that. Pa pa pa pa pa. Then I was teaching at UCLA.

And he called me for an interview. I. said, "No. I'm not going to give you an. interview until you come to visit me in. Egypt.". And he said, "Okay." He came with his. wife. I took him to a quarry. that we are cutting stones to conserve. to construct the Sphinx. Then I brought a stone. 8 tons weight. And I brought a man on the age of 70. And I told this man, "Cut this stone.".

The old the man he stood above the. stone. You know, stones has weak parts. like us. Mhm. With a pencil. he. drew. a line from the beginning to the end. In the middle, he put a piece of iron. Pom. Pom. He cut it for twice. I said, "Art, the Egyptian. doesn't use muscles. They use their. brain.

Because the pyramid was a national. project of the whole nation. If you go today, if I take you today. with me, and you know I always tell people this. I give lectures maybe three. four times a week for American groups. And I tell them. the following. If you stood in front of the Great. Pyramid and you look at it, you will. never believe that this pyramid built by. human being. Why? Because you don't. know. And number two, if you try to do it.

today, you will never be able to do it. Are you going to hire today 10,000. workmen to work for 10 for 28 years for. nothing? That was the national project. of the whole nation. I think Art Bell's real concern was how. would someone possibly move those stones. 4,500 years ago. Okay. A lot of. questions, right? Yes, but can I answer you now? Yes, please. Listen.

Two examples I will tell you. The first example. happened a few years ago. I discovered a tomb. in a site called Abusir. In the top of the tomb. there was a huge granite sarcophagus. 20 tons weight. Okay? Okay. If you come to Egypt, have you been in. Egypt? No, I haven't. You have to. If you talk. about Egypt. have to. you have to come. I know.

But you have to tell me before you come. I come I will tell you. Now. I promise. I brought only 10 people. Because I called the Minister of Culture. and I told him. we found. an intact tomb. And the Minister said wait, I will bring the reporter, the press, and we'll do it live." I said, "Okay.". But, I hate to do anything live. Then I came to the site. I brought my.

workmen. 10 workmen only moved. the 20 tons. only by wooden sledges. We found. underneath another sarcophagus. 10. 10 tons weight of granite. We took the. third one. and we found underneath another a third. one, 5 tons weight. We took the 5 tons. out and we found underneath a coffin. with a mummy. And I told the workmen, "Put everything.

back.". And I called the minister. I said, "You. can bring the press. We'll open it. live." I never told them that they. cheated him, but only. in a site that they're excavating right. now, we do discover 60 ft under the ground, we discover sealed sarcophagus. The lid. is about 10 tons weight. Two workmen only opened the lid for me. We have a machine called the devil. I don't know why they called it the.

devil. Devil? Devil. Okay. Why? I don't. know. I asked them. They said, "Our. grandfathers called it like that." Then. they brought. is an ancient machine? It is an ancient. machine. Jamie could probably pull it. up. Then they It's probably online. Then they they put this machine under. under the lid. And they come. doing like this, and they raise the lid. little bit. Mhm. When the lid the lid is. raised, they put a piece of wood. Another piece of wood. Okay. Another.

until there is a half a feet that I can. put Right. my. face inside with the sarcophagus with a. flashlight to see what's inside the. coffin. That's what we because the people today. are the descendants of the ancient. Egyptian. There is a a village. located north of Luxor. And this village, all the people work in. antiquities. And they know, if you look at their. faces, exactly like the ancient Egyptian.

people. And all the people working with. me, I'm excavating right now. in Giza. I'm going to tell you good news. in inside the great pyramid that we. found. And also in Saqqara and Luxor. And this is why in my lecture tour now, I'm making major important announcement. that we'll talk about it with you today. Okay. What What did you find? Now, you know, can I call you Joe? Please do. And you call me Zahi. Okay.

Now, you know, I do receive fan emails. You've received emails? Fan. Fan emails. About 50 a week. Some of them, bad ones. Some people. think that I discovered evidence to. prove. that pyramids built by aliens or lost. civilization and I hide them. I never answer these questions. But to you, I tell you, how do I How can.

I hide anything? I'm not working alone. I'm working with people. You You cannot. hide anything. Good people will see you. And I will tell you a joke. It happened, but it's a joke. A reporter came to see me from. California. to my office. And my office. was located next to great pyramid of. Khufu. And he said to me, "People say at 12:00.

noon, you leave your office and you go. to the bathroom. and you open a tunnel from your. bathroom." So, it really is what he. said. And you go from that tunnel to the great. pyramid Oh. and you hide things and you. come back. I said, "Okay, what do you. need from me now?" He said, "I want to. see your bathroom.". This really happened. He went. to my bathroom. Did he check all the. panels? And he came back. He said, "Have you. seen any tunnels in my bathroom?" He. said, "No." I said, "What are you going. to do now?" He said, "I will publish.

your bathroom in the internet. And therefore, if you want to see my. bathroom, type www. hawassbathroom.com. Is that much of an issue? Do people. really believe it that you had to make a. website for it? They They do. They do believe in this. And And some of them attack me badly. Well, that's part of the problem, right? Is that the Egyptian pyramids and just. Egypt in general. is so spectacular. The accomplishments. of the ancient Egyptians were so.

monumental and so above anything that. anybody had ever achieved and since, you know, what they've done. thousands and thousands of years ago. still to this day puzzles people when. they try to figure out how it was built. I will tell you. You will tell me how it. was built? Of course. Okay. I. How do you know? How do you know? How do you know? Well, I found all the evidence of building the. pyramid. I. We published a book. 1,000 pages. This book is a Bible.

of the pyramids of Giza Plateau. Okay. Tell me how they did it. Now, what we found out, the major problem. that people. think. about pyramids, because most of the. information that's written on pyramids. are wrong. Most of it? Most of it. In. archaeology books? In archaeology books. Really? Except me and Mark Lehner. You. guys are the only ones that have it. right? Because we I'm have been working. in Giza for the last 57 years of my.

life. I excavated every piece of sand. Okay, what's What do What do the. archaeologists have wrong? In these archaeologists books. For example, number one. They say that the workmen who built the. pyramids work it only four months a. year. When the flood covered the whole. country, the king hired the workmen to work in. his pyramid. This is wrong. And I will. tell you what's correct. Number two. That the stones.

used in building the Great Pyramid came. from Tura. And Tura is a 25 miles to the. east. from Giza. And number three, that Khufu ruled for. 23 years. And number four, that the stones of the. Great Pyramid are 2 million and 300,000. blocks. How many blocks are there? Now, let us. talk about number one, the workmen. The workmen. I found. the tombs of the pyramid builders.

Only one mile south of the Sphinx. A major important discovery. that can tell everyone. number one, that pyramids built by Egyptians because. of the names that we found inside the. cemetery. And they were not slaves. Can you turn your phone I have to. I. have to. Yeah, kill that thing. Kill it. You are right. I always because I do lots of. interviews, I always close it. Oh, I get. it. Except it today.

No worries. Nobody knows how to shut these things. off anymore. Then now, this discovery. explain. So, you found the pyramids, excuse me, you found the workers. pyramids graves. a mile away Away? One mile south Okay. of the pyramids. And by their names And. then And then I found names of the. workmen. I found the lower cemetery. The lower cemetery. were for the period of the workmen who.

moved the stones. And the upper cemetery was for the. technicians. Right. And how do you know. this? I will tell you. Okay. Now, the tombs down there are very primitive. tombs, built from mud brick, cost. nothing. Underneath is a skeleton. And. if the skeleton is for a man, he's. holding a beer jar. He wants to drink. beer in the afterlife. If the skeleton is for a woman,

she has a perfume vessels. She wants to have perfume in the. afterlife. Inside the upper cemetery, I found 21. titles in hieroglyphic. For example, the overseer in hieroglyphic of the side. of the pyramid. What does that the overseer of the side. of the pyramid? Imira ges mer in. hieroglyphic. The overseer of the west. side of the pyramid. Draftsman. Draftsman. The one who stand.

in front of the harbor. All these titles. had to do with building the pyramid. Inside the tombs, we found. the tools that the Egyptian used to cut. the stones. What tools? Diorite and a. flint tools because in the Old Kingdom, there was no iron. Are these uh photos. of these tools available online? Can we. look at them? Yeah, I can send it to. you. I I I publish. Are they online? No, in my book, Giza. and the pyramids. I don't have I'm sure.

it's online. I'm sure you'll find it. So, these uh stones these tools were. flint and diorite? What is diorite? Diorite. d i o r i t e. Diorite is more sharp. stone than iron. And it came. from. a quarry south of Aswan. So, you feel like they used this very. hard stone to cut into the ground? and and I will come back to this cutting. the stones. But, let me continue about.

the workmen. Okay. To the east of the. tombs, we found an area for sorting salted. fish. We found an area for the bakery, making. bread. We found the workmen barracks. for the workmen who moved the stones to. live. We found a whole city for the. Christians, for the artisans. And we. discovered. thousands of animal bones. Because. people always say that the workmen who. built the pyramid,

they ate only garlic and a bread. and drink beer. And I thought if they do. that, they will die. But, now we. discovered that they slaughter. 11 cows and 33 goats. every day. And this can feed 10,000 workmen a day. Then, we believe now, and I published, that the workmen who built the pyramids. were 10,000 workmen. And they worked. every day, and they took one day off. every 10 days. Joe, I want to tell you, the pyramid was.

a national project. The 3 millions who. lived in Egypt had to build the pyramid. for the king to be a god. And therefore, the households in the. south and the north of Egypt. participated in building the pyramid by. sending workforce and food to help the. king. Now, we come to the second point, the stones. We discovered. that all the stones of the three. pyramids at Giza, the stones came from quarries in the.

site itself. Even the king's chamber? No, except except the granite in the. king's chamber, and And where'd that come from? From. Aswan. And that's 500 miles away, right? Yes, by the flood. The flood. And those were 50 to 80 tons? It doesn't matter. It doesn't. Yes. I would if I was working there, it. would matter. I'm. not careful. I showed you. I showed you not to leave. 50 tons. It's 20 tons. Now, what we found out,

first, how the Egyptian built the. pyramid. They make on the ground a. square base. Okay? Okay. And after that, they cut in the solid. rock in the four sides. You know, I'm going to tell you one thing. Okay. If you tell me that pyramids built by. giants, okay? I will say you okay. Come to the excavation.

All the skeleton that we discover. are 5 to 6 ft. high. Nothing about giants. they're built by giants? Some people say. that. Okay. The second. I've heard aliens. Okay, the second, aliens. If So, if. aliens built the pyramids, Mhm. do they leave any Do they [ __ ]. sometimes? Aren't they going to [ __ ]. Maybe aliens don't [ __ ] If they don't. [ __ ] are they going to to leave. something on the ground? On the contrary, I give you the.

evidence, every evidence that I will tell you. today. workers. of actual workers, and what's happening. Now, we come about building the pyramid. Mhm. All the stones I told you came from. Giza Plateau. We found out what happened. first, they cut in the solid rock. Okay. And they made the base. of the pyramid to be 28. ft. on the solid rock. Mhm. No stones. Do you get this? Yes.

We have in Egypt 120 and 120 pyramids. We don't have only Khufu pyramid that. everyone is talking about. You have 120. pyramids. Mhm. This is one of them. Right. But the reason that this pyramid. is so accurate and strong because Giza. Plateau is the only site in Egypt of the. pyramids. It's a part of the Mokattam. formation. It has three levels. Level one and two are very very stones, but level three is the top quality of. the stones.

Then the Egyptian used this stone to. build the pyramid. Then after they make. the base of the pyramid to be 20 ft each. of stone, we found out 1,000 ft away. we found out the quarry location. All the stones. So, they only had to bring the stones. 1,000 ft. Only. Only the stones. The stones. that came from outside are the casing. stones, and I will talk about this later.

that came from Tura, and the granite. came from Aswan. And the casing stones. with the outside smooth surface. Exactly. Came from Tura. Okay. Then now, when we discovered the quarry location. and the base of the pyramid, we thought how they they established the. ramp. You know the ramp? Right. To move To move the stones. Right. We found out if the Egyptian. would make the ramp from the quarry to. the base, it would never happen. Because when you raise the base, you. need to extend the ramp. We found out.

Listen to this carefully. Okay. That the. only way to have a pyramid ramp is to. come to the southwest. corner of the main pyramid. They built the ramp like this. Okay. And I excavated, and this are photos. in my book Giza and the pyramids. I. excavated from here to here. When the Egyptian construct a ramp,

when they finish building the pyramid, they demolish they demolish the ramp. They cannot demolish all of it. They. have to leave something in the ground. Okay. Do you Do you get this? Yes. I excavated. from here to here. I found in situ remains of the ramp. Are there photos of this? Of course, in. my book. Okay, let's let's find the photos of the. equipment first. Can't find anything? I'll show you what I was It's in my.

book. What did you find? Well, not nothing. Nothing? How is that not online? That. doesn't even make any sense. It's in my. book, Giza and the pyramids. Um maybe. look up. This are the tombs the show. This are. the tombs of the pyramid builders. Right. there. This is the excavation. This episode is. brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Dogs. take a lot of care and responsibility, but every minute is worth it. They add. so much to our lives. I would do. anything for my dog, and I'm sure you. would, too. You probably only want the. best for your pets, but figuring out.

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Then now, let us let us. If you go to my book, you'll find out. that you I found here that you write. and the flint tools. Listen. Then now, I will come. The stones for building the. pyramid came from the plateau. The casing came from Tura. Now we come to how how many years Khufu. ruled. So, there is one big discovery happened. few years ago. Are these the sto- the. tools?

No, no. This is tools for for artists. They the tools in my in our book, which. is big, the you write tools and big. flint tools, big ones. And why is this not online? Whatever book you have online, it's in. my book. Right, but I mean, wouldn't. that be everywhere? I mean, that's such. a huge archaeological discovery. It's not. It because it's everywhere. It's not only in the workmen only. It's. in every site. You have these tools in.

many sites. Right, but why aren't these. tools online? That's all I'm asking. Ask. the people online, but they are in. remains in my book. Are they in a museum somewhere? There is. some in the Academy Museum, yes. So, there should be a photograph of them in. the museum. Okay. What would Jamie look for? But I don't know. I'm just like asking. him. No, I want to come to. What museum would have that? Cairo Museum. Cairo Museum would have those tools? Yes. Okay. Now, few years ago,

a major discovery happened for the first. time. It is the first time that we have. written evidence about building the. pyramid of Khufu. When did this happen? Three years ago. Really? It's called the Wadi el-Jarf papyri. Ah. Do you want to know what's in this. papyri? I do. This papyri was found in. Sinai. in a port belongs to Khufu. And inside this port, there was caves.

And inside the caves, found remains of. boat and this big papyri. It's large, huge. There it is. That's it, exactly. Okay? And what does this say? Now, First of all, how old is that? 4,600. years ago. Isn't that amazing? And they said find writing in 4,600 So, papyrus was made with animal skin, correct? No, papyrus was of.

of papyrus from the papyri. Right. What. is What is The papyri is just like. leaves. Okay. Now, but listen to the. papyri. It is a diary. of of an overseer of the workmen. His. name is Merer, M E R E R. Okay? Merer is saying, "I am Sehedj in hieroglyphic, means inspector. Under me working 40 work mans.

I was hired by Khufu. to work in his pyramid. This in. hieroglyphic. Mhm. And he said. my big my my immediate boss, his name is. Didi. Like P. Diddy? Didi, yes. Now Okay. 20 years ago in my excavation. west of the great pyramid. uh of Khufu. I discovered 20 tombs.

These are the tools? No, no. No, this is not the tools. No, no. The. tools are really sharp type of big. tools. We found some of them. What is that. Jamie's looking at? What are these these. um This could be this the tombs in the. left is like them. The in the left here. But those tools are. No, no, no, no, more. No doubt. No. Where? You know here there is two there is more.

to the left to the left to the left to. the left. No. Again. What? This two tools. You mean up? Down. The. the second one after this That's it. Up. That's it. And this one. Oh, those. Those. Yeah. But don't those look exactly like the. other photograph you just had? Those up. there. That looks like the heads of. these. the smalls. I'm talking about big ones. So that's These are tools for for making.

statues and things like but not cutting. the stones. I see. So these are the same kind of. tools though with the same kind of. materials. But let me talk about. the papyri again. Okay. Because this many people doesn't. know about this. Okay. The mayor said my boss is name is Didi. 20 years ago. I excavated west the Great Pyramid of. Khufu. I found 20 tombs, beautiful ones. I published all of them except one small.

tomb I said is not important. 3 years ago I found this is the tomb of. Didi. The person that he was a boss of Merer. And I published this tomb. You can find. this tomb online now. It's called Didi's. tomb. by Zahi Hawass west of the Great Pyramid. of Khufu. Now. listen, Joe. What Merer said. I took my workmen. This is in. hieroglyphic. We went to Tura.

to cut the white fine limestone. This. sentence means. that the pyramid was finished. And Merer went to bring the stones for. the casing. And he said I'm not alone. There is many. other gangs are cutting the stones. And Tura is in north. and south. And he said I divided my. gangs to three gangs. One gang to cut the stones.

And one gang is smoothing the stones. And it's smoothing the stones. with the right tools to face the stones. for the casing. And after that he said. and the third group. moving the stones in wooden sledges. This is all on the papyri. In the papyri. to a cargo boat. What happened. in the Old Kingdom? We have evidence.

that. the River Nile. the Egyptian cut. to the west of this River Nile another. Nile. to be near the pyramid. From this Nile they cut a canal. At the end of the canal there is a. harbor in front of every pyramid. I discovered. in my excavation. in front of Khufu pyramid, there is a. village. called Nazlet el-Samman. In this village.

the people were building houses. Underneath the houses. we we found. basalt. walls. I stopped the construction of the. houses and I excavated the whole area. I. found this is the harbor of Khufu and I. published this in an article. And I excavated in front of the Sphinx. temple. and I found the harbor of Khafre. Mhm. And it's published.

Now. the reason. for the canal and the harbor. to bring non-local stones. Granite from. Aswan. Alabaster from Middle Egypt. Diorite. from. from. uh diorite from Nubia. Uh basalt from Fayum. White limestone. from Tora. The Egyptian had everything. So they. essentially cut a second canal. They cut. a canal just so they can move the stones.

to where they wanted them. And I discovered all of this. And this is published. If you write Zahi Hawass. this was all the casing stones. Exactly. Right. Is it possible that the casing. stones were put on later? You after you finish building the. pyramid. Right. They There is two. important things when they finish. building the pyramid. I discovered in a. site called Abusir. I discovered two. scenes. One scene workmen dragging a capstone. Above the capstone. is hieroglyphic word called "gyam".

So where is this? Where is this? This There's This is in hieroglyphs? The. dragging the capstone? Can we see this? Uh find out. I don't know if it's the or. not, but. that. a Jimmy look for? Look for Zahi Hawass. discovery in Abusir. How much do you think was lost during. the burning of the Library of. Alexandria? A lot, of course. Everything, right? Everything. And this why what I'm. telling you based I have been excavating.

in Giza so for the last 57 years. I know. every piece of sand in the site. And I. will tell you one thing also. Okay. I am. the only Egyptologist who have an open. mind. Really? That I I always look I always Yes, I. always look at what the public say. And. I will tell you about this later. I will. tell you what I found in the pyramid. But I can't But let me finish this. story. And after that I will come back. to tell you how I look at what people.

say and I try to Okay. uh to investigate. this. But now matters it. I put the stones on a cargo boat. Okay. And we came in the boat to Giza Plateau. The sto- the the workmen took the stones. up to the pyramid. We slept overnight in Giza. I got up early in the morning with my. workmen. We went to Tutora. He made many. times talking about that. Then he said, "I went to Sinai.

to bring copper. and turquoise. But he said in Sinai. our big boss. his name is Ankhhaf. We know from text. that the architect who designed the. Great Pyramid who was Khufu's cousin, his name was Hem Iunu. Then actually it seems now that Hem Iunu. died and Ankhhaf completed the Great. Pyramid and built the second pyramid of. his son, Khafre. Mhm.

Then he said. "I'm working in year 27 of Khufu's. reign.". He mentioned. that Kufu was alive. in year 27. How long do you think he. reigned for? 28 years. I published an. article. I published an article about. You can find this article. Why. Why was the age 23 23 years? Why was. that attributed to them? No. This is a good question. This episode is. brought to you by BetterHelp. It's. important that you take care of yourself.

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they counted the name of the king. Sometime they count the cattle every. year. Sometime they counted the cattle. every 2 years. Then we make mistakes. But now we have. year 27 of Khufu's reign. And we have on. the second boat bit that the Japanese. are restoring now, we know when the king. die, his son bury him. Then Khufu's son, his name is Djedefre, who did not. respect his father, and I will tell you. why. He buried his father in year 28.

Then we know now for sure that Khufu. ruled for 28 years. Now, Merer said something. that made me very happy. Because 25 years ago I wrote an article. to say that Memphis was not the capital. of Egypt. I said that the king ruled Egypt from.

the pyramid. If the pyramid is at Abu Rawash, the. king ruled Egypt from Abu Rawash. If the pyramid is in Giza, Giza, Abu. Sir, Saqqara, then Merer said something. Many people. did not believe me when I wrote this. article. But. Merer said. Khufu lived in his palace at Giza. If he lived in a palace at Giza, means.

with the royal family, the public, and. the government. And he said that the. area that Khufu lived in it. in the pyramid called Ankh Khufu in. hieroglyphic means that Khufu lives. This is the name of the city that Khufu. lived in it. And he And Merer said we came to Giza. in an area in hieroglyphic called. Ra-She. And Ra-She means. literally mouth of the lake. This could.

be the entrance of Giza Plateau. But what's really strange, he said, "It. took me almost 1 day for me and my. workmen to up to come to the pyramid.". Why? Because Giza entrance was busy. Every stone coming in has to be counted. Every workman has to sign the first. letter of his name. And this why it If. you go today to the port of New York, it. will take you 5 hours to enter because.

it's busy. And this what happened at. Giza Plateau. This papyri, in my. opinion, is really one of the most important. discovery that tells us for the first. time about building the pyramid. And now. we come to the reign of Khufu, 28 years. And now the stones of the Great Pyramid. I looked. everywhere to find out how they counted. the stones. Okay. That people said it's 2 million and.

300,000 blocks. Right. I found no evidence. It's only when the Arabs came, you know, all the theories that the New Age people. say now, it came from the Arabs. When. the Arabs came and they entered the. pyramid, they said all these nonsense. stories about the pyramids. Then. I never found any place to tell me how. they cut the stones. But now we have evidence that the base.

of the pyramid is 20 ft high of solid. rock, no stones. In 2010, I brought a. team scientist. from every field and we re-counted the. stones based on the new evidence and we. found out that the stones of the pyramid. are only no more more than 1 million. And the average height of the limestone. is half a ton to 2 and 1/2 tons. So, the base of the pyramid is 20 ft.

high carved into solid stone. Yes. And then the other rocks were placed on. top of it. No, I come I I want to come to. when you told me about this capstone. Because they did not complete the. capstone. let's let's start off with this though. The base is 20 ft high and then. there were the estimation was 2,300,000, but you think it's far less than that. Because of. because of the new discovery that we. found that the base is made of the solid.

rock. So, before they thought the base. was individual stones. Yes. Okay. So, now that you know that the base is solid. rock, that removes 1,300,000 stones that. were necessary. Yes. Got it. So, they carved this base. knowing that they were going to put a. pyramid on top of it. And what about the subterranean. chambers? Every king in Egypt is buried underneath. the pyramid. Every king except Khufu. And his father Sneferu.

The only two kings they are not buried. underneath. is Khufu and his father. If you look at. the one. chamber underneath. it was cut and built. If you go down, it's left unfinished. Left unfinished in what way? It was planned to cut it. But they did not complete it. You can. see when you go down that the two the. burial chamber is not finished. Why? Why? Because.

I found out in our research. every king is Horus on Earth. When the king die. he become the sun god. Okay? Okay. Khufu in year five. he said I am the sun god.". And he abandoned the construction of the. first. burial chamber. and he built his chamber within the. pyramid because he's the god. And that's.

the queen's chamber, correct? No. The first one. I'm going I'm going. to come to these chambers later. Okay. And the second. evidence that he called his pyramid. "Akhet Khufu". means the horizon of Khufu. And the only. one in the horizon. is the sun god. And the third evidence. is something. that only occurred at Giza. The Sphinx and its temple.

I found that the Sphinx represent. Khafre, the son of Khufu. giving offering with his two paws to his. father. Okay. The sun god, Khufu, who. rise and sits in this temple, the first. sun temple. Mhm. And this why Khufu's. pyramid is unique among the 120. pyramids. And I will tell you what I. discovered inside the pyramid now. Okay. Now,

before I tell you about what I. discovered, I have to complete the scene. that I told you. that I found workmen dragging a. capstone. You remember? You asked me that. We. stopped on that. Mhm. Above the. capstone, there is hieroglyphic word. called "zaim". And zaim means white and yellow gold. A second scene I found ladies dancing.

And they called them the khener. And the khener are the dance troop of. the king. My interpretation of these two. scenes, when the pyramid was finished, the king. asked the workmen to put the capstone in. the top of the pyramid. Mhm. When they. put the capstone in the top of the. pyramid, cased with gold, the whole country danced and sing. because the king became a god.

That's what I call the national project. of the whole nation. The 3 millions who. lived in Egypt in the time of the old. kingdom, all of them participated in. building the pyramid to make the king as. a god. This is your theory. Not a theory. No? It's It's fact. It is a fact the pyramid was the. national project with Joe. not what I mean. I mean it's your theory. that that the capstone was put on and. It's not a theory. It's It's based on. evidence. I found the scenes. The.

papyri? No, the the The papyri is saying. something else. What are the words. saying? blocks. Blocks? Limestone blocks. One scene, workmen. dragging a capstone. with the word "Ja'am". This is written. in limestone blocks? Is that what you're. saying? It's No, it's show the workmen dragging. a stone. Shows it where? In the stone. And that they discovered. So it's carved. into the stone? Exactly. And the word "Ja'am" in. hieroglyphic above that. Where is that at? It's in Abusir. I.

found it. But is Are there photographs online? Yes, in my book. I don't. I I do I don't go online. Why I have to. go online? I go to my book. Oh, no, I. understand, but for everybody else that. doesn't have immediate access to your. book. Did you find them online? It's called the Abusir blocks. Abusir. A B as in boy How do you think. they got the stones from the king's. chamber? 500 miles away and put them 120 ft up in.

the up in the ceiling. It's I told you, if you come today and see how the. workmen move 20 tons of granite, you. will understand. Workers today? Yes, today like yesterday. The same workmen. Okay. Right, but No, no, no, listen, listen, listen. We're talking about if they're. doing it today, they have access to. modern machinery. know. They don't? No, it's everything based on the idea of. the national project. They want to make. this for the king. the national project, but I don't.

understand is the physics involved in. moving If you don't. okay. 500 miles through the mountains. If you don't believe on this. I'm not It's not that I don't believe. I. just want to know. Inside this block inside Okay. It's not. that I don't believe. I want you to. explain to me how you think they did it. I explain to you from 500 miles away 50. to 80-ton blocks. This comes through the Nile. You can. bring all the stones. Right, but they. quarries are in the mountains, right? No, the quarries the granite quarries in.

Aswan and we have cutting of the. obelisks is and cutting of the Right. stones and cut of everything in the site. and they brought in when the flood comes. in July, they bring boats through the. flood, they bring all the all the stones. to Giza plateau. they planned things for the floods and. then they would figure out some sort of. a raft system to get them on and then. move them that way. Now. if. we now do not believe. that this cannot be.

moved by human being, okay? But on the other side, what I can tell. you inside above these blocks written. the names of the gangs who built the. pyramid above the king chamber. One of the names friend is of Khufu. I. did a 3D. few months ago. and we recorded in the five chambers. that has these huge blocks. We found two. more names of the gangs. One name.

called those who are connected with the. goddess Wadjet. And written year 13 of Khufu's reign on. the third chamber. I took Mr. Beast with. me 2 months ago. I took him and I showed. him. how these blocks they were written by. the workmen before they move these. stones. Mhm. And in in the fourth. room. we have the good god, another name, was. year 13 of Khufu's reign. This is when.

they move the stones. So, I understand what you're saying. So, you're saying that they took these. stones. they waited for the flood season, they. got these stones on rafts, they moved. them down the river, they got them to. the site. How did they get them 120 ft. in the air? You know again, this is the most. important thing, this is a national. project. Oh, I understand that was very valuable. to them. I just wondered what technology. was used. No technology. Well, technology is tools. Technology.

levers. Okay, the technology that Whatever they. had at the time was their current. technology. the huge wooden sledges. Huge wooden. sledges. This is the only way that today we move. huge stones. This how my workmen moved. 20 tons sarcophagus in a tomb. How far did they move it? They moved it just few feet away. Mhm. But. we have scenes of how workmen move 60.

ton statue. How they move with their sledges. Right. And they draw it. Yeah, I've seen those. scenes. Yeah, then we have all this type of. scene that the Egyptian show that. Again, this is the national project. Do. you think they wet the ground? Like what. did you Do you think that they did. something like that to make the ground. more slick so they could pull it? Yes. They do that, yeah. And then do. they are they using sleds? Like how do. they get. Sledges. Sledges. Wooden sledges. And then you just. We have slowly but surely pulled it into.

position. We have this in the tombs. This wooden sledges. Yeah. But let me. take you now. to what I began to reveal the secret of. Khufu pyramid. Okay. As I told you again, I always listen to what people say and I. try to prove them. if they are right or not. I was interested. in the great pyramid most of my life.

because I was the inspector of the. pyramid, director of I I spent most of. my life there. Then I closed this pyramid for a year. to stop humidity. To stop humidity? Because every person All the breathing? And exactly enter inside the pyramid. gives about 20 g of water. Ah. And this. water becomes salt. Then mechanically I. removed the salt. You got to clean the walls. Exactly. And. after this I thought, how can I make a.

ventilation system. of the pyramid? In the king's chamber. and the queen's chamber, you have this. tunnel. Mhm. 20. by 20. cm only. Small tunnel. Right. Then I thought. I should clean these tunnels. Then I can make a ventilation system. I. had no idea of what I'm going to find. out. What did you find out?

Then I hired a German robot. And we took the German robot. to the king's chamber. We are sitting in the king's chamber. with a TV screen and the robot entered. in the shaft. We found out. that the interior of the pyramid. the stones were interlocked. And this why when the Arabs came to. Egypt. and they said man first time.

and time first pyramids. Then we found out that this shaft. went outside. Then we put a fan here. and the fan suck the air and push it in. the tunnel. and we made a ventilation system in the. pyramid. So this. discovery of these stones, what was. unusual about the way they were placed? What stones? they interlocked? Interlocked. Interlocked?

Yes. What do you mean by that? Oh. Like fingers. Okay. So there's like different levels. and they all slid in together? They they. they how they put the stones with each. other. Okay. But now the most important then I took. the robot to the second chamber. Now we. know. that the tunnel in the first chamber are. open outside. Open outside. But I said. why we have these tunnels in the second. chamber? They call it wrongly the. queen's chamber. Right. Then we took.

the robot. to the northern tunnel of the queen's. chamber. After 60 ft. the the robot stopped because the tunnel. was bending. to the left and the German robot could. not bend. Then we took the robot to the south. tunnel. The robot went. for 200 ft. it stopped in front of a door with two. copper handles.

Mhm. That was the first discovery. Now. I began to think how can I find out. what's behind this door? In 2000. 2. I was a chosen. by the National Geographic. as explorer in residence. We are nine explorers. With them with us was Bill Ballard. who found Titanic.

Each explorer had a dream. I told them, "I need you to design a robot for me. I. want to find out what's behind this. door.". And they did make a robot. and they called it Pyramid Rover. We took the Pyramid Rover. and the robot went in the south tunnel. and the robot had a a drilling on his. hand. The robot. opened one hole.

1 cm and 1 mm. and sent an optic camera through this. hole. We found after 21 cm of this door. a second one. And the second one. has an eggy shape like that. As if it's hiding something. Mhm. Then. after that we went. to the northern tunnel that was bending. We found out it's bending north and.

south. for 24 ft and the reason for the bending. was to avoid the Grand Gallery. At 200 ft the robot is stopped in front. of a third door with two copper handles. in the same distance of this one. And these doors are very small, right? Very small, 20 by 20 cm. Okay. Now, I spent. most of my life. from.

from. 2002 until. 20. 24. last year. I found a team from England. And we worked it last year for three. seasons. Number one, I found out. above. the King's Chamber the King's Chamber a. big void. The grand I'm sorry, above the the Grand.

Gallery. right. This void the size of two trucks. Now, the second void. behind. the northern tunnel another small void. Inside this void. we can see hieroglyphic inscriptions. Really? So, those are the only. hieroglyphics on the Great Pyramid, right? and I can show you the footage in my if.

Do you have the footage here? If you can. come to my lecture Oh, come on. in Houston Well, what about right here? Right now? I can send it to you. Where. do you have it? Do you have it on you? In my computer. Where's your computer? In. Las Vegas. Oh, well, [ __ ] But I can. send it to you. Yeah, but I want to show. it on the show. Show it in the show? I. can send it to you tomorrow. Okay. You. can send it tomorrow? Yes. Okay, we'll splice it in, folks. Then. tomorrow I will send it to you. Please do. Okay, give me my email. Now,

you Jamie's email. Yeah, give me you you. But you should come and Are you Can you. come and introduce me here in Houston? Excuse me? Can I introduce you in. Houston? No, I cannot. Why? Cuz I'm very busy. Okay. Fine. If. you If I had known in advance, I could. have. Yeah. Fine. I unfortunately I don't have any. free time, Zahi. Zahi. Zahi. Zahi. Zahi. Not Zahi. Zahi. Then now, Mr. Hawass. then now, what we are going to do? So, this is the only pyramid Can I ask. you though this these this hieroglyphics.

inside this chamber that you've. discovered this these are the only. hieroglyphics in the Great Pyramid. Is. that correct? No, there is in the five of chambers, I. told you. Oh, in the other chambers? That I told you in the five of chambers. Now we have five names of the gangs who. built the pyramid, and we have years. These are all recent discoveries? Yes. Like within how long? How recent? Me the the this. void. as last year, 2024. The hieroglyphic discovery or 3 months. ago. So all this is very Isn't that.

fascinating? You've been studying the. pyramids for so long, and you're still. finding things. me what I'm going to do. What are you. going to do? You there is a friend friend of mine. His name is Leslie Greif. Leslie is from Hollywood. He did with me many live TV shows. And he did with me chasing mummies. And. Leslie now is working to find a network. to come we need to do this program live.

Okay. I want to show the whole world. what I discovered inside the pyramid. That we're not hiding anything. I want. to show them the hieroglyphic. Why why. do you always feel like you're in battle. with people? Because. because they attack me. Go go to Go Go. and they I'm not in a battle with. people. They are in the battle with me. I understand that. I understand that, but I'm giving you an opportunity just. to lay things out. You don't have to. argue with people that aren't here. I'm not argue. [ __ ] those people. I'm. not argue. I'm just telling the people.

I'm just fascinated by the discovery. itself. Okay. So what does it look like these. hieroglyphs? Did you I know you can read. hieroglyphs, right? signs? You can read that stuff, right? Yes, but we can the signs are not clear. It's not clear? No. We need to do more. investigation in September. Is there a. difficulty in seeing inside there. because it's. dark? when the Egyptian write inside. the five of chambers, for example, they. don't write hieroglyphic. They write a. cursive hieroglyphic. It's called the.

hieratic. Ooh. And this hieratic, Joe, it's very. difficult. to read from outside. What does that. look like? It's a cursive of the hieroglyphic. Let. me see what that looks like, Jamie. That's fascinating. That's hieroglyphic. No, this is hieroglyphic. This is. hieroglyphic. That's hieroglyphic. talk about hieratic. on the right hand side it says hieratic. Exactly. Look at the one on the right, this hieratic. Okay. Then it's very difficult. That's so beautiful. Yeah. What a. beautiful language. Like the way it's. written. It looks like art. Then Joe, what you.

are going to do. before the end of this year, we are going to show. what's inside the five the. this void's life. Can you repeat that. up, Jamie? Can these these symbols that. look like like make that larger, please. These symbols to the far left that where. right below Jamie's cursor. Right there. Like what are those supposed to be? They are signs. But what does it mean? Look this It looks like a hieroglyphic.

one down means sish. For a. determinant of a scribe. What is the one. that his cursor that looks like a stop. sign? for a scribe. A scribe. Yeah. What does it mean? Me scribe. It. means a scribe. Sish. Okay. I understand. So, and then. the other one on the hieratic, that's. the cursive version of the. I don't I'm not that expert in hieratic. Okay. Because hieratic is very cursive. I understand, but I think this this. is showing right?

I know, but we if you look at the signs. in the five chambers that I will send it. to you tomorrow, Mhm. it's very. difficult to read, but you can see they. are hieratic cursive signs. Got it. But. the most important that we are going to. show this life. Oh, wow. Okay, so people don't even know. and you're going to show all this stuff. live. We will do it live, but this the other. thing, we have another team. called Scan Pyramids team. They are scientists from Japan,

France, and Egypt. Mhm. I am the scientific director. who really. they should if they discover something, this they come to me. I have to. discuss it with them. And they found, you know, the the pyramid. Yeah. You have the entrance that the people. use now. is the entrance that the Arabs opened. That's in the north face, correct? Exactly. Above that is the mini chamber. Okay.

The Egyptians the the team are using. a very sophisticated techniques. like ultrasound, infrared. With these techniques, you do not need. any more to drill. You can really see what's behind the. door. And this really what I'm using right. now. Then they came to me. and they said, "Behind the main entrance. of the pyramid, there is a corridor.".

And they showed to me. this corridor. clear. in the five. techniques that they are using. But they also me, "Why I have to see it? Let's go up there.". We went up there and they sent. an. an optic camera. through. the the stones. And they found. I could look at the corridor. 30 ft long,

8 ft wide, topped with chevron shape. I. think you can see that in the internet. The corridor behind the main entrance of. the pyramid. Can you get it? It's in the internet, I'm sure. This void above the Grand Gallery? The size of two trucks. What do you think that is? I have no. idea. I'm just telling you what I found. And um have This was the Great Pyramid.

I did more work on the third pyramid. with the same techniques and the second. pyramid. This is the void. Okay, that's. see it? Wow, that's incredible. And I think I'm bringing the other. big void above the Grand Gallery. I. think you will see it also. So find the void above the Grand. Gallery, Jamie. Um So this it's. two trucks. The size of two trucks. size of two semi-trucks. And um do you. have any idea like what the inside.

you I will tell you about my theory. Please do. Uh. I think that it's here. I That's it. So that's the void. Yeah. Now And it's that shape it's in that. direction, so it's at a slope. It's above the Grand Gallery. That's it. That's it. Yeah. This scan pyramid. project. Mm. Now. I tell you my theory. Please do. We have a story written in hieroglyphic, but not at the time of Khufu. It's after. Khufu.

The story it's written in a papyri. It's called Khufu and the magician. It say that Khufu was a staying in his. palace. And he was very upset. He was not happy. And his son came to him, "Your majesty, why are you unhappy?". He said, "I'm searching for the secret. of the god Thoth, the god of wisdom. Then I can design my burial chamber. in the pyramid.".

Then his son told him, "I know a. magician. His name is Djedi. He knows how to cut the head of a man. off and put it back. And he knows the secret of the god. Thoth, the god of wisdom.". He knows how to cut the head of a man. off and put it back, but is the guy. still alive? Is that what he's saying? No, I'm Is this Is this is what the son. Right. is stealing his father. I understand. that. That Djedi can do that. A lot of people can cut a guy's head off. and put it back. to the story.

Listen to the story. Okay. This the king. told his son, "Bring this magician to. me." Okay. They describe him as 110 years old and. he drink 1,000 beer. Ba ba ba ba ba. Wow. Djedi came in front of the king. And Khufu told him, "I heard that you can cut. the head of a man off.". He said, "Yes, your majesty.". He said, "Do it.". He said, Djedi said, "I cannot do it to. the human being.". He said, "Okay, I will bring you a.

prisoner.". Djedi said, "A prisoner is a human. being.". Then he told He brought him a goose. He took the head of the goose up in. front of everyone. And the head came back and the goose was. running in front of everyone. That's written in the story. Then the king. that? I can't go back to what's believed that. now. Okay. And the king told him, "I want to know. the secret of the god Thoth.

to design my burial chamber.". He told him that. the. this secret will not be in your hand. It will be in the hand of another people. who will rule Egypt. Khufu was very upset. So he wouldn't. give him the secret because that secret. won't just be in your hands, it'll get. in other people's hands. Then the king. That's dangerous. The king was unhappy. He told them, "Don't worry, your. majesty, because you will rule.

and your sons. and your grandson. Now, about magic. Yeah. Do you believe in religion or not? Yeah. Okay. Do you know about Judaism? Sure, a. little bit. When God told Moses. when Moses met God and God told them to. go to Egypt to meet the Pharaoh. Right. And God told them, "Remember, the. Pharaohs are highly in magic. Right. They will beat you.". Then God taught Moses how to be more in.

magic than the Pharaoh. And you remember. when he held the stick and the stick. became a snake, I think. And and the and. Moses brought more snakes to to to. swallow what the Pharaoh did. Then we. know from books, from Judaism from the. beginning, that the ancient Egyptians. were really highly in magic. Then we can. believe. Do you think that that magic might have. had something to do with how they. constructed the pyramids? No? No.

You don't but but if you believe that. they had enough magic to take a goose's. head and put it back on and still alive, that's magic. Yeah. Wouldn't they use that magic for. other things? But we have. in magic I do, of course. You do believe in magic. So you believe. that someone could take someone's head. off, put it back on. This it's written. Okay, then it must be. true. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Um what is this? Someone's going. to kill a dove? It's a magic trick. Can decapitate birds. and stuff. Oh. Okay.

together. I was just reading it. Apparently in the. trick that he did it, he put the head on. the other side of the room and made them. come back together. He did it to a calf. and a different animal also, but. Now, what really I want to tell you now. That person's magic, too. Maybe that person can make us a pyramid. What what I want to show you that I'm. not a person. What do you think magic. is? Magic is magic. What do you think magic. is? Well, how does it work? I have no. idea. Uh what do you mean by how it. works? Well, I mean how does someone do. something like that?

no idea. We have to go back We have to. go back We have to We have to go back in. you to five 4,600 years ago. And do you think a lot of this. information is what was lost in the. burning of the Library of Alexandria? Yeah, of course. This is some of it, but. still unbelievably detailed records, also, you know, because I will tell you. why we do not have. any evidence. about Khufu, temples and things like. that. Because what happened? The ancient Egyptian believe that a.

pharaoh should be a male. A pharaoh cannot be a female. Anyone who changed the religious belief, they hit him. Hatshepsut, when she became a pharaoh, they hated her. And they destroyed her monuments. Mhm. Khufu, when he changed his cult to be a sun. god, in the first intermediate period, they. destroyed his monuments, the temples,

the statues. The only statue of that king was found. in Upper Egypt, not at Giza. Even in. the temple of his sons, there was 23. statues. They smashed the statues. A smashing was a sign of revenge. Now, do you have any question about Khufu. pyramid before I switch to the Sphinx? Um well, I'm I'm fascinated by a lot of.

aspects of Khufu's pyramid. Well, one of. the big ones that's come up very. recently that I'm sure you're aware of. is um these. satellite radar What's it called? Tomogra- What is it called? Tomographic? Where they think that there's these. pillars underneath the structure. Okay. I investigated this. First of all, these two scholars. from Italy, Mhm. they have never been in.

Egypt. They have never. worked in the pyramids before. Right. But they they're using satellite Listen. Number two, they published their article in a. journal. Mhm. This journal. do not send. their article to the freeze. You pay a fee. to publish the article. And your. responsibility. Okay. Number three, I am not a scientist. I took.

this techniques that they used. and I give it to expertise. And they said. this techniques cannot show. underneath. a solid rock. of almost 600 ft down. No way. How Why can't they? They said this techniques cannot show. that. But these scientists are saying. they can't. Do you Do you know about the. Osiris Shaft? How they've got a Osiris. scanned. covered it. You You did, right? But do.

you know that they use this TOMOGRAPHIC. NO. NO, I AM THE ONE WHO found it. This look. I know I understand you found it. But. they also discovered it They showed that. it exists using the same technique. No. No. that. This is wrong. This is not true at. all. Um I can tell you how I found that. How can I find that? I'm I'm not saying that you didn't find. it. It It's uh under the paper signature. aperture radar Doppler tomography by.

Filippo Bondi. And if you scroll down, Jamie, you'll see an image. And this. image is uh of the Osiris Shaft, which. shows that they got uh an accurate. depiction of that from space. That's not. true. It's not true. So, what are you. saying that they're lying? They're. lying. They're completely lying. Okay. Now, they This techniques, as I. told you, Mhm. scientist said that this.

techniques cannot show. 600 ft under the pyramid. The Osiris. shaft that they found was only. 50 ft Right, but it's showing at least. for 50 ft that this is accurate. What. makes you believe those scientists. rather than these guys from Italy? Because this that's because the. scientists are scientists. But these are scientists as well. They aren't They are not showing their. techniques carefully. They not. Okay, take take take the techniques that.

they said and show it to any scientist. No one No one can tell you this is. accurate. I. to I asked it every every person who. knows about radar, ultrasound, all the people work with me, the the scan pyramid project, they said. this is [ __ ]. It cannot happen at all. Now, tell me. under. me that these scientists that are. proclaiming the capabilities of these.

satellite tomography devices that are. saying that they can. see kilometers into the ground with this. stuff. That's not true. I did. Are you sure? I did Do you understand the technology? No. I not me, but I but I asked. scientist who are in this field. Have you talked to these scientists that. are saying that they have these. discoveries? sent I made a press release. But did you talk to. They I did not I Why not? I Because they.

did not talk to me. How can I find them? I made a. be willing to talk to them? I can. connect you. Yes, I do. connect you to them. I'm just interested if new technology. becomes available and they figure out a. way to look into the ground and you. discover things, especially if they. discover the Osiris shaft and it turns. to actually be accurate. not discover the Osiris shaft again. you discovered it, but they used their. technology to show an accurate depiction. of the interior of the Osiris shaft. Joe, that was. Osiris shaft. Is that true? No. It's.

not. The images that we showed that are true. The Osiris shaft is known to everyone. Right. It can be seen by anyone. they turned their equipment on the. Osiris shaft, it shows the actual. interior. Maybe, I don't know it, but. this is 50 ft. But they are 200 600 ft. I understand, but if it can go 50 ft, why can't it go. 600 ft? I am at again, again, I am not a. scientist. Right, so why are you dismissing it. though? I gave what they published to a.

scientist and they said there's there's. no truth. Okay, but scientists are wrong. all the time, particularly ones that are. biased. Then what I what I did, I made a. press release. Okay. Explaining. my point. Yes. And I said. my work. of the second pyramid, the the base of. the pyramid is 28 ft of solid rock. Right. And there is no way that anything. can be happened in the solid rock.

And I explained I think what they're. saying is it's underneath the solid. rock, correct? Let me Let me finish. And. I said, "Your techniques. that you published in this magazine Mhm. is not. refereed by scientist. You just. published it. And number three, the team. that working in Giza with all these new. techniques, they said. "This is wrong." They and I and they. know The team that's working in Giza. with all these techniques, what do you.

mean? We have the scan pyramid team. Right. They are working But you understand this. is different technology. but they know about this technology. But. have they used this technology? this technology cannot work, cannot show. 600 ft under the pyramid at all. This. what they said. And this why if the Italians were. confident, they could contact me. And. the And the pyramid expert that anyone.

should. Well, we'll make sure that happens. But. listen, if the the stone is 20 ft thick, the solid stone at the base. That's. correct, right? And you said Osiris shaft is 50 ft. That. means it can see past 20 ft, right? But how can I. see through the stone and see. I mean what they're showing. But the Osiris shaft. the Osiris shaft the Osiris Was that a. shaft is open. Right. It's not. covered to see. I understand. You can go and you see the Osiris shaft.

down. Right. Everyone can see it. But the interior is not open. And the. interior is visible. the interior. But you can't see it to. the exact dimensions the way these. tomographic images showed, right? I If they're using this technology to go. 50 ft under the ground and get an. accurate depiction of. a scientist. I understand. So but what I. This is my question. Why would you. dismiss it if you haven't looked under. there? Why Why would you dismiss it if you. haven't looked under there? I because I. I told you it is not me who can dismiss.

this. What does it say, Jimmy? the link to the the art the original. article, I believe. There's their names. The very first sentence says that due to. the poor penetrating action of. electromagnetic waves inside solid. bodies, the ability to observe these. distributed targets is precluded. And. then they had to come up with an. experimental. This is experimental results are. estimated by processing the SAR images. into something. Hmm. else. So. I think that's the disconnect I'm.

hearing. Yeah, I I I don't understand the. technology, but my question is. we know how spectacular the pyramids. are. We know how spectacular just the. base of it, about that it's carved into. solid rock? Why would you not think that. maybe other spectacular things exist. even below it? I told you. I am not. this type knows about the science. I. consulted. the team. Mhm. The top in the world from.

Japan, France, and Egypt. Who are these people? They are the Scan. Pyramid team. Okay. The Scan Pyramid Yeah. The ones. that found the Exactly. the chamber above. And they are working with me. And we. found many other things in the second. pyramid and the third pyramid. And I And we we published this. I We. just published an article last week. different Then what I am saying if this. techniques that these two Italians. are correct, the only people who really can tell you.

it's correct or not are the Scan Pyramid. people. Not me. But the Scan Pyramid. people, aren't they using different. technology? They know about technology. They are the. top scientists in the world. Mhm. I have. to believe them, not the two Italians. Yeah. And if the Italians are really correct, they could come to talk to us, not me. Well, To talk to me and others. I will definitely try to connect you. with those people because I know that. Graham Hancock and Brian Muraresku have.

been in contact with those people. And um they're. they're open-minded about it. They don't. know what's going on down there, but. they these images are repeated over and. over again. Fine. But they I told you. Fascinating either way. Okay. Um the the whole. The the one of the fascinating things. about um Egypt to me is. the fact that it's not just so much more. advanced in terms of construction than.

anywhere else in the world, but that it's. it it's still to this day like noth-. nothing even close has ever been even. attempted to this day. What do you think. was going on back then as far as their. capabilities and their understanding. that led them to do something so. spectacular that other people 4,500. years ago. the belief of the afterlife. built Egypt. Right. But they also had to have. understanding of engineering and.

construction and design. do this belief of the afterlife, to. build the pyramid, as I told you, this was a national project of the. No, I understand it's a national. project, but they have to have. knowledge, right? about this pyramid if it exists alone. And when you come to Egypt and you go. through time, you will see that. everything gradually Mhm. There is no. gap that you can What do you mean by. that? There is no gap for anyone to. think something different than the.

belief of the Egyptians. Well, I don't. think anybody's saying that. Oh, you. have to. some people are. Maybe some people do, but I mean, it's all the Egyptians, obviously. It was in Egypt. I mean, it's. the Egyptians that made it. Yes. obvious. That just seems obvious. Then. if you believe in that, I'm happy I'm. happy to hear this from you. Yeah. Well, I just think whenever people. say it's aliens, I'm like, where's the. proof of that? Exactly. Also, they built a lot of spectacular. things. Like no ifs, ands, or buts. Just.

just the statues, just the faces of the. pharaohs with incredible symmetry. This why I really I want since you are. interested in Egypt, I we would like to. invite you to come to Egypt. I want to come. I just It's for me it's. something very interesting. to invite you. I'm willing to go. Okay. Tell me Tell me when. Okay. And I will arrange everything for you. Okay. We'll hook it up. But now, I want. to come to the Sphinx, also. Okay. Can we talk about the Sphinx? Yes, please. Now, you know, when I was young, I was met by the Edgar Cayce Wow.

son. The psychic guy. Hugh Lynn Cayce. Yeah. And Hugh Lynn Cayce was the son of. Edgar Cayce. I was young. I really did not know what. this case he had. When they When he came to Egypt and. talked about me about his father I. You know about Edgar Cayce. Yeah. Okay, then He had a vision that there. was a the chamber underneath the. Sphinx's paw. Underneath the right paw of the Sphinx. there is a chamber. And he he envisioned that, correct? Yes. And this why I'm going to Virginia.

Beach. to give a talk. One of the cities in my tour. now is Virginia Beach. Why? Because. when. people. began to tell me there is something. inside the Sphinx. I really, as I told you, I have an open. mind and I did search. I found inside the Sphinx four tunnels. Mhm. One. behind.

the stele. They call it dream stele. between the two paws of the Sphinx. And. the second one. behind the head in the top. Wait, there's a there's actually a door on the. top of the head now. There's a. there's a lid. a tunnel. A tunnel. 25 ft. Isn't it closed off though? No, yeah, it's closed. Yeah, Yeah, there's like a. door on the top of it, right? It's not a door. No. A lid? It's a just a a tunnel go down. Okay. But it's closed off. We It's you can't go up to the Sphinx. It's like we have to cover it because it.

will take rubbish and garbage. Well, that's the top. That's what I'm talking. about. Isn't that the top of it? Is this the Sphinx? Yes, that's it. Okay, that's a lid, right? Yeah. We We. covered it. Okay. Yeah. But we covered it Got it. to. protect it from the sand. But it's not a. door. Okay. It's a lid. The third tunnel that. I found. in the back. Now, Edgar Cayce But, had. this vision that there was some. hall of information that was. but I'm going I'm going to come to this.

now. But, I'm talking to you about the. tunnels now. And the third one is in the tail. The fourth one. was opened in 1927. by a French who's name is Monsieur. Barreze. And I do have. photos. of workmen inside the Sphinx. We found. this four tunnels are published. An article, scientific article. I found in situ.

in all the four tunnels. of pottery. in situ to prove that this tunnels were. opened. on Dynasty 25 500 BC. as in the late period. When the Egyptian saw the Sphinx, they. thought there is something hidden. underneath. And they dug and they found nothing. Now, we come to the Edgar Cayce and what.

people believe because we had. John Anthony West and we had. many new age people who believe there is. something hidden underneath the Sphinx. And they used to tell me, "We need your. permission." To what? To drill? It's how. can I let someone who's not an. archaeologist, who's not a scientist to. drill? No way. But, recently. I found out the rise of the water table.

in front of the Sphinx. And I was really afraid that the water. could damage the Sphinx. Then I brought a team. from Cairo University. and we did drill. 30. to 35 ft underneath the Sphinx. everywhere. And I do have photos. of everywhere under the Sphinx. Okay. The Sphinx is a solid rock or a living. rock, and there is nothing underneath.

So, there's no tunnels? No tunnels. Okay. Exactly. Okay. I told you what I What do you think. about Robert Schoch and his theory about. the temple and the erosion outside of. the Sphinx, that it's water erosion? When Schoch. said that, okay? We brought. through the American Research Center. Mhm. a scientist from Loui- Louisville. University. I don't remember his name now.

And we. gave him what Robert Schoch. You know. what Robert Schoch said? It's not his. theory. It's a theory of a new age guy. who talked about this before, and John. Anthony West brought Swalwell. I don't. remember. Yeah. Then we gave We gave this guy from. Louisville University. He was an Indian. American who really studied He came to. the Sphinx and he worked with us for a. season. Mhm. And he came and we.

published many articles that the erosion. that you see. outside and inside the Sphinx is from. wind and not from water. Now, what Schoch want to say? That this is dated back 15,000 years. ago. I agree. Okay. If I came here and I dug the. Sphinx, I will leave something. Then what I did? We dug an area.

northeast of the Sphinx. I found level Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, New Kingdom, Roman. Nothing underneath. Then this new age people say that the. head of the Sphinx is very small. comparing to the body. Right. Yes. Why? Why? If you take all the. casing stones away from the Sphinx, you'll find exactly here. the Sphinx.

and now. this. and another part like this. In between. there is a hollow. Remember I told you. that Giza Plateau. is. divided to three levels. Mhm. Level one and two is very bad. stones. Can be seen to the exist of the. Sphinx. Right. Level three, they carved. the head from level three. Then when the Egyptian carved the head. to represent the king Kephren.

with the cobra Mhm. the royal head. Remus, they began to make a. a lion. body. Then what they did, they filled this. hollow. between the two Sphinx pieces with. stones. And they covered the whole body. of the Sphinx with stones. And they did. the modeling of the lion body on the. covering stones. And that's why the head. is very small comparing to the body. the head was made first and then the.

body was made later. Exactly. the case, why is the body so much more. eroded I told. The body it is a part of the bad stones. Bad stones. The the top one is very. stones. Exactly. So there's a different. density to the stones. That's why the. stone in the the Sphinx's head is intact. and the the body is not. the level it's the level it's the level. three. So it's a different kind of stone. Exactly of the body. And this why But.

there's layers to it all and some of the. layers are more dense. wanted to. make a lion body. They couldn't. The. only way is to cover the body with. stones and do the modeling of the lion. body. on the covering stones. Can we. take 2 minutes rest? Yeah, sure. You. want to take a break? Yes, to go to the. bathroom. Okay, go to the bathroom. You know where. it is? Yes. Just go outside, take a. left. We're back.

Thanks. Let's pick up where we left off. So, you. were saying that these uh. other experts that look that it didn't. agree that it was water erosion and said. that they think that it was wind. So, what what John Anthony West and what. Graham Hancock and what Robert Schoch. and all these different people are. trying to allude to is that perhaps. there was even older stuff that was in. Egypt and that the things that you're.

seeing that are 2,500 BC, those are even. more recent than the older stuff. Tell me about Zep Tepi. What's Zep Tepi? What is this? You you. never heard about. Have you heard about the like you know. about the kings list, right? The old. kings list that goes back 30,000. whatever years. Who did that? seen it in it's not in hieroglyphs? This is not true. It's not true? No, this is is speculation from people who.

knows nothing. about history. There is nothing king. list dated back 30,000 years ago at all. So, why do people keep saying that? Because they don't know. It's. speculation. Give me one evidence of that. The only. The first The first king list dated back. to Dynasty 5, only. I was reading that people were saying. that it was myth that the the kings. list, even though there is like some. hieroglyphics of ancient kings, that.

these are just mythical tales. This is not true. There is no at all. a name that you told me. I never heard. of this name. I am an Egyptologist working in Egypt. for the last 57. years. I never heard of this king list. at all. Never? Never. And You never even. heard of it? Why I have to hear about it? Because not. true. I don't want to waste my time in. things like this. I am a person, give me. a fact. So, in ancient.

Egyptian Zep Tepi refers to the first. time or the first occasion. Who said First, this isn't AI. It refers. to a mythical golden age of Egypt where. gods lived on Earth and civilization was. in its infancy. This period is often. associated with the beginning of. creation and the establishment of. societal structures. Have you You've. never heard of that before? No. And this is not true. What do you. mean it's not true? I mean, this is I'm. I'm getting this off of. It never happened at all. Okay, I'm not saying it happened. I'm. just saying that this is something. that's referred to.

It's never be I never heard about it. It is not true. It does not exist at. all. if it doesn't exist, the myth of it. exists. listen, Joe. Why do I have to go to a. myth? Of people create stories. If you. go to Wikipedia I don't care about. Wikipedia. I care about what I see in my eyes as an. archaeologist or a philologist. Bring Bring any Bring. was said to emerge from an infinite. lifeless sea when the sea when the sun.

rose for the first time in a distant. period known as Zep Tepi, the first. occasion. Different myths attributed to. the creation of different gods, a set of. eight primordial deities called Ogdoad, the contemplative deity Ptah, and the. mysterious transcendent god Amun. While. describing these different cosmologies. completed or competed to some extent, in. other ways they were complementary in. different aspects of Egyptian.

understanding of creation. It's a. Egyptian creation myth. Fine. You've. never heard of that before? Never heard of that because. strange that you didn't hear about that. before because. Listen. Listen. So I've heard of it. before. Uh fine. You can hear about it. I just found it online. It's a new age theory. It's new age? Yes. Listen to me. I know. And any Egyptologist Uh-huh. who study. Egyptology in the states here, you have. universities in UCLA and you have. Berkeley and you have. uh John Hopkins and you have every.

There is no Every Egyptologist here. study languages and archeology. Uh-huh. No one. can. answer what you are talking about. This. is hallucination. I'm sorry. This is not. true. It's a speculation from people. But never in Egypt we know the. prehistory of Egypt. We know the. pre-dynastic of Egypt. We know the. beginning of civilization. We know every. There is no gap in anything that can let.

some things like that. And this why I. never heard of it and I don't want to. hear about it. You don't want to hear. about it? No. Why? Because there is no evidence. I. am a a scientist. I believe on what's. written in front of me. And I believe of a scene that I can see. But I don't believe on theories like. this. Tell me where is this found? And where it is? And who published it?

What is the scientist who published it? What is the Egyptologist who talked. about it? I'd like to know. That's why I'm asking. you. I never heard of it. Well, I'm. shocked that you haven't at least heard. of it and dismissed it before. I I. I I I I I I I I I I. Cuz it's just a It's I think it's a part. of the creation myth. I I know but it's. not true. I received many theories every. day. My mind is your now is really. cannot stand all these theories, all of. it. It's too much for me.

It's too much for me. Got it. Um see if you can find anything on that, Jamie. Where where that myth came from. I'm working on it. I think I know. Yeah? Yeah. Is it a Bouval thing? Uh. what I just found is that it came from a. Who is Bouval? Okay. Bouval is not a. scientist. No, I'm just Yeah, I know. I. Those people yani. When someone came to you with a theory, he has to have a. Egyptology background. He has to write a.

a scientific article. We write all what. we discover, we write articles about. them for people to read and criticize. and give us opinion. But I can't go to. theories like this that that has no. basic. you base the dates on? Do you base it on. carbon isotopes? No, we don't. We base dating on the. evidence that we discover. Right, but. some of it is based on carbon, right? No, carbon I don't believe in carbon. date 14 at all. You don't?

No. Carbon date 14 never give an. accurate dating. And this why I believe, you know, when you discover something. if you discover a symmetry Right. There is two type of datings. One called. absolute. dating. Means that in this symmetry, you have a. name of a king. and a date. Mean this is absolute. But if you discover another symmetry and. has no dates. then the best thing that we do.

is to find the artifacts. in this symmetry and then try to compare. it with other dated symmetry and you. give a date of this. But you don't. believe in carbon dating. believe in carbon date 14 at all and. it's not working. in Egypt until today. I have been excavating I'm excavating. also in the Valley of the Kings. Right. major important things that we can talk. about it. So, if you're going back to.

the 18th Dynasty. used radar. Radar? In all my excavations. And I never had a. result by radar. And carbon date 14, I. we people use it when there is no date. Wait a minute. You use radar to to date. things? How? No, I use radar to discover things. Right. But what do you use to date them? I date it as I told you, two methods of. dating. Yeah. Most of the dating that. for me now in in Luxor.

is based on evidence. Like I discovered. the golden city. It's a major big large cemetery uh. uh. large settlement, a city. And you know, this city was it chosen. the most important discovery in the. world of year 2021 because this is the. first time. that we have a big large city to tell us. about the people who made this. civilization. So, how do you know how.

old the city is? Exactly. In the city, we discovered the. names everywhere of King Amenhotep the. Third. who was the father. of Akhenaten. Inside the city, we found many statutes. of his queen, Queen Tiye. We found inscriptions about the dried. meat stored to celebrate the third Sed. festival of Amenhotep the Third.

We found nine royal workshops in the. city. Then the city tells us about the. golden age of that king. It is dated by pottery, by hieroglyphic. inscription, by many things. But I'm I'm curious as to why you're so. skeptical about carbon dating cuz I. think carbon dating is generally. accepted as being accurate within a. certain framework. but I never used it. And many people say it is there to use.

in Egypt because in Egypt mainly we have. absolute chronology. We have absolute. dating based on inscriptions. Right, but. I thought it was used in Egypt like to. to measure wood that was in mortar. to date the Great Pyramid to 2500 BC. was that was. an experiment to date the pyramid. I. think was about 2009. And it's it's not it's not working. But.

I I didn't see that result. You haven't. seen a result on carbon testing of the. mortar of the Great Pyramid? No, but the mortar you can't. one thing. the mortar. between the stones. Right. This mortar like. if you take a piece of stone from the. pyramid and you try to take carbon 14. this piece of stone could be thousands. of years in the quarry. It cannot date the pyramid. How can you. date. Hold on. Hold on. You don't date stone.

I'm saying if you date mortar Okay. how. can you how can you say accurately that. this mortar is dated to the same time of. building the pyramid? Well, you can actually. That's the the. argument is that there is probably. repairs done. Right? And so that. Yes. No, of the Great Pyramid there is no. evidence of any restoration. No, never never any accurate evidence that. the pyramid was restored in any period.

of the Egyptian history. that goes on even now though on the. Sphinx, correct? I did. make 10 years of restoration Yeah. Sphinx. It's me who did the restoration. of the Sphinx for 10 years? Why did you. decide to do that? Because the Sphinx. when I was. when I left uh. I was studying in the States. I came to. take my doctorate. from University of Pennsylvania from. 1980. From '80 to '87.

some. architect and archaeologist were really. stupid. They began to restore the Sphinx and. they took all the casings stones of the. Sphinx out. and they put modern stones and they used. cement. You cannot use cement in the. restoration. You can use cement. in building a house. Yeah, that's not even restoration. That's a new creation. I came, I stopped this restoration.

Okay. And few because the this. restoration. damaged completely the proportions of. the Sphinx. It brings to you another Sphinx. Right. Ugly. Yeah. Few months later, there was a stone. was restored in the. in the uh. shoulder of the Sphinx and it fell down. In February, it was raining. And always people use.

the Sphinx for politics. The Sphinx for. politics? if they want I tell you. It happened the. first time. in the pharaonic period. You know the area beside the Sphinx was. called the Valley of Gazelles. And the princess. the of the of the New Kingdom used to. come to hunt wild animals in the valley. and come to watch the Sphinx. And this story that I'm telling you is.

written. in a granite stele. It's called the. Dream Stele. Located now between the two paws of the. Sphinx. In the stealer it say that Tutmos the. fourth was a prince. And he came to have a have a to have a. nap beside the Sphinx. And the Sphinx came to him in dream. And. told him, "My son, if you remove the sand away, I will make you the king of Egypt.".

Then he is moved the sand. And he came to a temple. He found a. door. What year was this? This is. 1 3,000 years ago, exactly. So, the. Sphinx was constructed long before that. Before the old kingdom. And then it had been covered in sand. Yes. Completely. This why Herodotus, the. father of the history, when he came to. Egypt in the middle of the 5th century. BC, he never talked about the Sphinx cuz.

completely under the sand. Then when Tutmos the fourth came, he. took. the sand away. And he found that the old. kingdom casing blocks are falling down. He put them back. And he went to the to the Sphinx near a. temple nearby. He took this granite. stealer as a door and he wrote this. story in it. But we found there is something politics. in that story. He killed his elder brother.

Who? Who was supposed to be the king of. Egypt. Uh-oh. And he wrote this story to tell the. Egyptian. that. the god Hor em Akhet, Horus of the. horizon, it chose me to be the king of. Egypt. Then they will forget the crime. that he did. When that stone it fell down in 1988, a big fight happened between the head of. antiquities and the minister of culture. Indeed.

by firing the head of antiquities. It's. politics. Mhm. I see. But I stayed. 10 years. When people ask me about the best thing. that I did in my life, I say two things. Number one, that I restored the Sphinx. I brought. the proportion of the Sphinx back. And I restored. the oldest pyramid in Egypt, the step. pyramid. It was It was falling down. In 14 years, I made major important.

conservation and restoration. And I tell. people, "Why do I have to fight all the time. about the age of the pyramid? We have to fight or we have to. cooperate, all of us, to restore this. monuments.". And the most important thing is for me. always is conservation. And I dedicate most of my life not only. to the excavation, but to conservation. What do you think the arguments are that. predate the that try to push the date.

back. of the construction of the pyramids? I. never heard of this. You've never heard of this before? only new It's a theories from the new. age. But I know I saw a debate with you. I. saw a debate with you and Graham Hancock. and there was another archaeologist. that was But hold on. Hold on. The other. archaeologist was saying, "If you're. saying that something happened 10,000. years ago, where's the evidence of any. civilization from 10,000 years ago?". Exactly. But then you found Göbekli.

Tepe. So, Göbekli Tepe was buried over. 11,000 years ago. true. I never heard about this. What do. you mean it's not true? It's not true. what I told you. What is What is not true? It never. happened. We never discovered this at all. Wait a. minute. Göbekli Tepe's in Turkey, okay? Oh, in Turkey. Listen. Yes. Göbekli Tepe is in Turkey and. more than 11,000 years old. fine. It's very complex stone structures. Fine. Fine. But this was is evidence. Hold on. This is the evidence in the. argument. The argument was there was no. evidence of an ancient civilization from.

10,000 plus years ago. This is before. the discovery of Göbekli Tepe. Göbekli. Tepe gets discovered known to be more. than 11,000 years ago. That changes. everything. Cuz now we know Yes, it. does. Cuz now Hold on. Cuz now we know. there was an advanced civilization. capable of spectacular construction. 11,000 plus years ago. This is what. Listen. Look at the archeologist. in. in. in Turkey or in any civilization. Okay.

They they never talk about. old civilization. That's not true. Göbekli Tepe is. universally accepted as being more than. 11,000 years old. talking now about Egypt. I am not going. No, I understand, but the argument was. that there was never any ancient. civilization capable of spectacular. construction 10,000 years ago. That Now that they showed Göbekli Tepe. is more than 11,000 years old, they know. for sure that's not true. Okay. But now.

I'm talking about the pyramids of Egypt. I have the evidence. the written. We found everything about that. We know. the dating. Mhm. I'm and I give you. hundreds of evidence that this pyramid. built by Khufu or Giza. I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm not saying. it wasn't. What I'm saying is. Any civilization older than We know. older. We have still in the same spot. How old. does it go back? We have no evidence. So, how does.

ancient Egypt emerge? It emerge. We have How does it emerge. and go from zero to pyramids? Okay. We have. Do you have Can you listen to me? Yeah. We have. prehistoric Egypt. Right. And we have. the old stone age. middle stone age. Neolithic. when the Egyptian began to know about. agriculture, and they began to live together in. communities. Then after that we came to the. pre-dynastic.

When a king called Narmer. in dynasty zero, he began to make unification. of the upper and lower Egypt. Until one king. called the Mina or Hor-Aha, who united. completely. And what year was this? This. is what was 3,000 BC. 5,000 years ago. In a place called Abydos, they built. huge mud-brick tombs.

Huge. From mud-brick, no stones. Mhm. And. these tombs are created in a site called. Abydos. You know, what's really fascinating. about this is that 500 years, you think. about that, how different just modern civilization. was 500 years ago. 500 years ago we had. almost none of the inventions we have. today. We had no internal combustion. engine, you know, no hardened steel, with none. of the things that we have. And now look.

what we have with electronics. Now. imagine what the Egyptians were able to. do in 500 years on a different in a. different way. In construction with stone, that their advancements weren't like our. advancements, but their advancements. were equally as spectacular, just in a. different way. Okay. Now I come back to the mud-brick. structure. This is in dynasty one. Okay. and two. On dynasty three, came a king called Zoser.

He had a genius architect. His name is. Imhotep. I am searching. Did you hear about Imhotep before? Yes. Okay. I'm searching for his tomb. Only two weeks ago before I came, I made. a major important discovery in Egypt. I. found a tomb of a son of a king inside. incredible statues of Djoser and his. father and his queens and his children. Where is this tomb? In.

in the shadow of the step pyramid. Ah. In the shadow of Djoser. And this really made me because I have. been searching. for the tomb of Imhotep most of my life. But the area that I found this tomb. it was under houses. Modern houses. Oh, wow. The workmen who work in the. site. 100 years ago, they built houses in the. site. But they never excavated what's. underneath the houses. Wow. So, modern. houses and underneath there is an.

ancient tomb. months ago we gave houses to these. people. in another area and we demolished these. houses. And we found underneath. major discoveries. This discovery will be in today's show. this week. Mhm. Now. I am sure now that Imhotep's tomb is in. this area. Wow. Now I come back. what technology can you use to discover. like these underground caverns and.

chambers and. all what I do. is digging. That's it? That's it. What if these Italian guys. are onto something and you can find more. stuff? I want you to come to see what I do and. what they discovered. I want to I want to. I want to talk to. the Italians, too. And what I. discovered, I can show it to you. Please do. Jamie, is there anything you. can find anything about that? About that? Where the origins of that? maybe a book from 1960.

and I couldn't figure out how he got. there. a long slog through information to try. to get to the root of it. Yeah. But can we continue. with what how how it happened until you. have the pyramids. Sure. Then Imhotep. came. and he built the same mastaba. Mastaba. in Arabic means a bench. He built the construction in mud brick. of stone. for the first time.

And he added more section to the first. one. And he put above that five mastabas. It's called the Step pyramid. Yeah. In the pyramid. the first one. In the pyramid text they. say. that the step pyramid is a stairs. that the king is buried underneath to go. to heaven. Oh. And this one was how many. years before the Great Pyramid? It's. almost.

almost 700 years. Mhm. So obviously it's. not nearly as sophisticated as the Great. Pyramid. So in 700 years they just got. way better at. Now. on dynasty three. there is another pyramid was found. And only. I found recently. that I did not excavate it completely. I found a pyramid which is the end of. dynasty three. of a king called Huni.

Then now we came to Sneferu. is Horny? Huni. Huni. Huni. Okay. H. U Then we come to dynasty four, Sneferu. Okay. Sneferu had a genius architect. His name was Nefermaat. Then he started Sounds like a good name. for a genius. Yeah, he started to build. a step pyramid like this. in a site called Meidum. But for reason we do not know he left it.

unfinished. And he went to a place. called Dahshur. He. built the pyramid with a huge angle. And it changed in the angle. It became bent. Mhm. And he built another pyramid. If. you look at the other pyramid. of the father. of Khufu, it exactly equal. to the Great Pyramid. This is the first true pyramid, but. people never go to Dahshur to look at.

this pyramid. Mhm. People always look at. Khufu. Then you have. in Dynasty 4. the pyramids were huge. because of the quality of the stones. In Dynasty 5 and 6, there is no good. quality of stones. Then the Egyptian. made decrease on the volume of the. stones. and did increase. in the volume of the wall reliefs. Temples began to be decorated with.

scenes for the first time. In the Middle Kingdom, another trend. Mudbrick pyramid, but underneath maze. corridors. of stones. Mhm. That if you go down, you. will lose your way. Oh. In the New Kingdom. they built. uh they came in the top of the Valley of. the Kings. a shape of the pyramid. and they buried all the kings like King.

Tut and others underneath the pyramid. shape. So, that's the story. That's the story. All right. Well, listen, man, it's been fascinating. talking to you and I I definitely am. going to take you up in your offer and. I'm definitely going to go to Egypt. No, well, now we spoke. Now we'll talk. We spoke to Mustafa. Send me that video. so we can splice it in of the. hieroglyphs that are on the wall. You'll. send that, right? send it tomorrow. Okay. But give me give the email to Greg.

you and Mustafa now. will. do that. And they are the people that. will talk to them now to arrange for. your trip. Okay. And I will invite you for a a good. days you think I should go? 10 days at. least. Tim, you got to come. You want to do a podcast from there? Just you and me? Let us do one inside. the Great Pyramid. Yeah, definitely. 100%. Okay. of the echo in there, though. Oh, here's another problem with the idea. that these Italians are proposing. Isn't. there a water table under the the.

pyramid that's like a million years old? No. There's no water underneath there? No. This is the Osiris shaft that was. full of water. So, is that what Mr. Beast was swimming. in? Exactly. But where's that water coming from? It's. a a water table. Oh, there is a water table. This this shaft this shaft. I came. I brought a company and we did suck all. the water out. Oh. Until they found underneath a. sarcophagus and four pillars. Oh, wow.

is the symbolic burial of the god. Osiris. Because Giza plateau was called. in the New Kingdom Per Woser Neb Rastau. The house of Osiris, Lord of Rastau. Rastau means cemetery. But literally. means the underground tunnels that. Osiris is ruling. Then Herodotus, when he came, he talked. about this water under the pyramid. It. is in the shaft. And this when Beast entered inside and. swam in it. swimming. Okay. You know, I.

met him because I wanted to convince the. young people that pyramids were not. built by aliens. This is why I took him. to three major sites. I don't understand the alien thing. I I. think super advanced culture, super. advanced civilization. but but you know, the Library of. Alexandria burning is probably one of. the greatest dis disasters. Many people. in America believe that you believe in. aliens. When I talked to them that I'm coming to. see you That I believe in aliens? do. Well, I'm not opposed to the idea of.

aliens existing. There's hundreds of. billions of galaxies in the known. universe, each with hundreds of billions. of stars. The idea that we're uniquely. alone. You don't think there's anything. out there? Nothing. So, you don't believe in. ancient civilizations capable of. advanced construction. You don't believe in aliens. Joe. I am a I am a I I am a scientist. Oh. If you believe in something, write an. article that I can read, but don't give.

me a theory. But the theory of other. planets containing intelligent life is. That's not true. I have been debating. Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval and. John Anthony West and I told them from. the beginning, your theory will go with. the wind. Right, but we're not talking. about that theory. We're talking about. aliens being possible. No way. No. aliens. Just us. Only. us in the whole universe. If you believe in Us in the whole. universe? Only us. If you believe in God. you will do miracles. The Egyptian Okay.

believed in the afterlife and they made. this great civilization. I'm not saying. aliens made it. I'm saying it's very. possible there's something else out. there in the world. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All. right. Goodbye, everybody. talking to you. I enjoyed it, too. And. I'll see you next time. Bye, everybody.