Joe Rogan Experience #2316 - Cameron Hanes

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe. Rogan podcast by night. All day. What's going on? Not much. Hello, Joe. Rogan. Hello, Cameron Deans. Welcome to. the podcast. Thank you. Uh, this is my. first time trying one of these uh new. energy drinks that Black Rifle came out. Have you tried them? They're good. They're legit. Really good. Everything. they do is legit. Yeah, really good. Legit.

Mango, what do you think? So, this is. the part of the podcast where I try to. talk you out of running a 250 mile race. with a broken foot, you [ __ ] maniac. We're talking about my. book. This is the whole point of this. was undeniable without Well, you'll. definitely be undeniable. You run 250. miles with a broken foot. Yeah, it's uh. Why are you doing that? That seems like. not a good idea. But what am I, a. doctor? Okay. So, so real talk, let's just we'll.

break it down. So, if I was a. professional athlete in my prime, right? Right. It would obviously make sense to. say and I need to get surgery, my foot's. broke, I can't perform, whatever. But. since I'm we know how old I am, almost. 60, it's just like there's no. guarantees. I'm like, if I can fight. this off and still whatever, still. perform, then I'm going to do that. Wow. Um, I can't afford to play the long. game, can I? Well, fix your foot. It's.

like I don't understand. Like, this is. what I've always said with people with. jiu-jitsu injuries because I've had a. bunch of surgeries. Yeah. Just fix it. Just do it. Because a day will be a. week, will be a month. It'll happen so. quick. Before you know, it'll be six. months, you're back in the gym. Just do. it. That's what I always tell everybody. Just fix it. Yeah. I just bite the. bullet. get the s like there's certain. things like certain things I don't think. you should get surgery for because. there's things that you could. rehabilitate there's and there's sort of. an there's some doctors do I want to be.

real careful about this because a lot of. doctors are very cautious about whether. or not to do surgery but there's some. doctors that are just a little too. excited to cut people open and stitch. them back together again it's how they. make their money that's how they make. their money and you know famously I've. talked about it too many times but for. people who haven't heard the story my. Doctor told me for sure, you're going to. need shoulder surgery. You're going to. have to get shoulder surgery. It's just. a matter of when. And if you put it off, it'll probably get worse. I have zero.

problem with that shoulder now. I got. stem cells in it from Rody McGee in. Vegas. You went with me to that place. Went back at 6 months. He's like, "The. tear is completely gone." So, I could. have gone under the knife and maybe he. would have done a great job and fixed. it. Apparently, he did the Lakers and a. bunch of pro athletes and everything. like that, but they don't. entertain the possibility that there's. other ways to fix things. But when it. comes to broken bones and torn. ligaments, like if your ligaments, like. I have bunch of friends who have ACL.

tears, complete ACL tears, no ACL, and. they still do jiu-jitsu. I'm like, dude, you're just grinding up your meniscus. This [ __ ] that you're going to need for. the rest of your life. And take it from. me, a 57y old man who loves jiu-jitsu. You can't do that. You need that stuff. Like that stuff's going to go away and. then it'll be bone on bone and then. you're going to be like in agony all the. time. Yeah. Yeah. Theoretically. Theoretically. Just get it fixed. I. always think just get it fixed. Get it. fixed. You before you know it would be. fixed. Yeah. But I keep thinking about. so if I would have done it so I I broke.

it last June but all the things I did. from last June to now I've got. accomplished. Still still got it done. made it happen. Yeah. Hasn't been Okay, don't fix it ever. Just deliver the. broken foot forever. That's [ __ ] It. doesn't make any sense. It makes zero. sense. This is reverse psychology, isn't. it? Good. Yeah. No, don't do it. Good. job. Break the other one, too, so it. balances out. That's the problem is that. you only have one broken foot. If you. just take a hammer to your to your right. foot or your left foot, then you'll have. no problems. Well, we'll we'll know. Um.

Well, you're I'm sure you're going to. get through it. I'm positive you're. going to get through it, but it's just. like, why are you doing that to. yourself? Next Monday at 5:00 am 250. miles. Which one is that? What's the. race called? And your mark is set go. Uh. Coca-Cola 250. Where is it? Is it. elevation? It's Arizona. So it goes from. I think Black Canyon City to Flagstaff. Is it flat the whole way or is it No. 40,000. Oh 40,000 ft. Nothing or maybe. 30,000. I don't know. Lot of lot of lot. of climbing. Just a tiny amount. Oh,

look. [ __ ] mountains. No, there's lots of mountains. Is that. the co? Yeah, it's right there. Cocoa. donut 250. Bro, that's so ridiculous. Yeah, it looks beautiful, though. That's. so ridiculous. You're gonna do that with. a broken foot. Yeah. Yeah. So, after you. did that, here's the next logic. Wow. If. I could throw 250 mi, I can make it. through elk season and then Yeah. You're. not going to get it fixed. I just did it. with a broken foot in elk season. I. know. That's what I'm saying. You're not. going to fix it. You're not going to fix. it. Ah. Well, well, if I get back to.

corner and I can't walk. Oh, boy. But. then the problem is what if you've done. permanent damage? Like didn't you say. your hamstrings bother you now because. you comp Yeah. See? Yeah. This this. whole leg. But yeah. And you're going to. run 250 mi with a [ __ ] up hamstring. Great idea. That's not going to [ __ ] it up worse. This is supposed to be this supposed to. be a feel-good discussion. I thought. friends BSing, right? Everybody has a. good time here. The most influential man in the world. Time magazine should have been No. Megan.

Markle beat me. Thank God. How how if. it's if it's most influential there. there should be no there's no debate. Nobody's even in the same category as. you. I don't know. I don't think about. it. Try not to. It's a little. complicated. I'm thinking about it. though. I really shouldn't be. influential. I'm not I don't think hard. enough about the consequences of Oh, you. say that all the time. But man, you you. have so many good conversations and it's. like it's definitely changed. Here's. what's crazy is, you know, mainstream.

media with all the money that the. advertisers had to pay or whatever, it's. like that was that was their thing. Now. that it feels like that money is coming. to the podcast realm because of you. I. mean, you've shown the power of podcast. and I think all the podcast hosts are. benefiting from that. What do you think? Well, I think we are all benefiting from. all of our work. I mean, I don't think. it's me. I'm, you know, I just have been. doing it longer than most, you know, but. there's guys like Corolla and a few. other guys that have been doing it. longer than me, you know. It's just uh.

podcasting is just better because. there's less people involved. It's. really that simple. The problem with. stuff like Fox News and CNN is there's. too many people involved and too many. interests, right? You have the interests. of the network. You have the interests. of the sensors. You have a bunch of. people that, you know, don't want you. talking about certain things or want you. talking about certain other things. Like. they want you to push certain. narratives. There's too many people. And. so it feels curated. And so when you're. listening, it doesn't resonate. But when.

you listen to two people just shoot the. [ __ ] you're like, "Oh, I know what. that's like." Like that make that's like. if someone came over your house and. started talking like a CNN anchor, you'd. be like, "What the [ __ ] is this guy. doing in my house? Get him out of here. I can't relax. You're trying to have a. class of one. How would he talk? What? We What we've learned today is that. climate change is the most important. You like, "Oh god, get this guy out of. the [ __ ] house." Like, what are you. saying? So, Douglas Murray is going to. come over to my house. It sounds Have. you ever been? Yeah. I mean, it's just there's people.

that are professional talking heads, do. you know? Like, there's there's people. that are professional sports casters, you know? They talk like a sports cer. voice. Like Howard Coell, radio DJ. voice. Radio DJ voice. Yeah, exactly. Top 40 DJ voice. It's like they're all. the same. Coming up next. All right. You. know, like that kind of weird thing that. they do where it you're used to it. It. sounds professional, but it doesn't. resonate with you. So, it doesn't seem. normal. When you hear people, whether. it's you or me or Theo Vaughn or Andrew.

Schultz or whoever it is that's doing a. podcast, they're just people talking, normal people talking to people. And. that's what people want. And if a normal. person can talk to scientists and you. know and say what what how does that. work? Why is it what causes this? Like. what can I do to make this happen? What's what what's the best way to start. your day? That kind of [ __ ] Like then. it makes sense to the people. If you're. if you hear some [ __ ] weirdo that's. talking in a way that doesn't make any. sense and you know won't bring up.

certain subjects and has guard rails and. won't use certain language. it doesn't. make sense to you. So, you're not it. doesn't work as well. And also, like. they don't trust those people. Like, if. I tell you, "Oh, this Black Rifle coffee. drink is good." I'm not lying. I. wouldn't lie. If I was like, "Evan, what. the [ __ ] is this?" If I drank it, I was. like, "Bro, we would call Evan up right now. We'd call him up on speaker phone, too. Just mango tastes like ass." You know. what I mean? Probably not. But, but I'd.

tell him privately at least. But it's. But he wouldn't. You know what I'm. saying? Like I know all their [ __ ] is. great. Their coffee is great. Everything's great. It's like. everything, all the ads we have. Like I. had a call yesterday, one of these. conference calls that I have where I got. to go, "No, no, not that one. No, we. can't do that." It was like different. ads like what is it? No, no. Like I just. something that sounds like wrong to me. I'm not interested. I'm not that might.

be a scam. This might be horseshit. What's the studies on this? Is it real? Like what do we No. No. No. No. Like or. or Yes. Oh yeah. I use that all the. time. Let's do that. That's good. That's. solid company. That's this. This is. great. Yeah. I wonder if uh I don't even. know how to word it. But people are so. used to like the fake stuff. Like even. even if somebody says if you talk about. being transgender and say, "Oh, well, you know, this boy felt like a girl, whatever." It's like you're almost. programmed to be like, "Oh, oh. Hm.

Okay. you're programmed to not have an. opinion about it. And so, and that and. because. normally as guys work, you talk we talk. about radio DJ voice or the fake or. whatever. Like that's not how people. talk. But guys can be around a certain. group of people and it'll be like one. guy you'd be like that guy seemed off. Yes. What the [ __ ] wrong with that. guy? Right. That guy will infiltrate. your group. That's like a subtle little. thing. That's not like the things we're. talking about like the big things.

That's like these guys have these this. radar and you're just like who the [ __ ]. is this guy? Right. Right. Right. And. then you go to the complete other realm. where it's so preposterous and we're. supposed to be like oh okay. that makes sense. I actually heard a. psychologist discussing this and he said. that there's an issue with talking about. things publicly, especially with social. media because there's so much backlash. on social media. Whenever you hit any. hot button topic, immigration, politics,

anything that's like a real highly hotly. contended topic, people will say things. just so they don't get attacked and they. they distort their opinions based on how. much they think they're going to get. attacked. So all that social media stuff. is super effective. People attacking. people is super effective for people to. like This is how transgender people in. sports got through. The only way it got.

through is because people were calling. people bigots. Yeah. Every parent, every. [ __ ] parent who's not a complete. psychopath doesn't want their daughter. wrestling with some boy who thinks he's. a girl. That's crazy. Playing rugby with. some boy who thinks he's a girl. That's. crazy. have a 6'6 50-year-old man who. identifies as being 17-year-old girl. That's [ __ ] crazy. But you can't say. that's crazy or your feed will be.

bombarded with a bunch of sociopaths. attacking you for being transphobic or. will be suppressed or Instagram will be. like, "Okay, you guess what? We don't. like that opinion. Nobody's going to see. it." I think Instagram is doing less of. that now. allegedly. Supposedly, I know. X is not interested in that at all. They're not suppressing that [ __ ] at. all. You can talk all the [ __ ] you want. about trans people in sports now because. the reality is the general population.

Look, I don't care what you want to do. If you want to wear a dress, you want to. be called Rhonda, go for it. Have fun. I'm I'm a freedom person and I believe. America is the land of the free. And. that that includes doing dumb [ __ ] That. includes things that I don't agree with. but don't hurt me or anybody else. Go. have fun. But as soon as you start doing. things like entering into women's. bathrooms, entering into women's locker. rooms, and all you have to do is just.

say you're a guy. Now we're in crazy. town. And if I can't say we're in crazy. town, you That's how all that stuff got. through is cuz Twitter was complete. nonsense. It was just a sigh up. The. whole thing was just a scop. We all owe. Elon Musk a huge debt. When he bought. Twitter, he changed the conversations in. the country because all of a sudden, people were free. You were free to say. whatever you wanted. Before you couldn't. say anything bad about Biden or the.

liberals. or COVID vaccines or anything, you would. be banned. You'd be banned. Yeah, that's. you know that Elon coming doing what. he's done has ch has definitely changed. the world, right? Without a doubt. I. mean has and how much credit does he. deserve because he did not have to do. that? I mean he had more money than. anybody. Why would he do why would he. put himself out there like that other. than to make a positive change for.

humanity? In talking with him both. publicly and privately, he was genuinely. concerned that we were losing free. speech. He was genuinely concerned that. it was being hijacked. It was being. hijacked under the guise of safety. Safety. Like we have to we have to. protect people. We have to protect. marginalized people like marginalized. male perverts who want to wear dresses. and pretend they're a girl and go in the. literally literally right. You know, and. that's that's dangerous with that, but.

it's also dangerous with everything. else. It's also dangerous like if you're. a person who's a progressive person who. believes in gay rights or you know any. any welfare universal basic gay whatever. it is imagine living in a world where. there's no free speech but the. Republicans are in control or like super. religious conservative people are in. control or Muslims are in control. Let's. imagine like the the Muslim population.

in this country is expanding all the. time. They've got Muslimrun cities now. They have called to prayer in certain. cities in this country. Imagine that. goes everywhere. They're in control of. social media and they institute Sharia. law on social media and they want to. throw gay people off the roof. This is. where it goes. Like you got to leave. people the [ __ ] alone. You got to let. them say whatever they want to say and. if you don't agree with them, don't. follow them or make an argument against. it. It's really that simple. Yeah, that's what America's supposed to be. And it wasn't that way for four [ __ ].

years. I know. During the Biden. administration, the FBI was involved in. Twitter. The the government intelligence. agencies were involved in Twitter. They. were telling people to take down true. information and they were getting them. to do it and they were doing it. How. crazy is that? Crazy. People should be. up in arms that that took place. Like. the Hunter Biden laptop thing. You. should be You should be freaking out. How'd they get 51 former intelligence. agencies to sign off agents to sign off.

on something they knew was a lie? That's. crazy. Yeah. They just did it right in. front of our face and no repercussions. Nothing. It's nothing. How does that How. does that happen? But then also, how is. there no repercussions? Well, what's. really hilarious now is now they're all. getting grilled by even like liberal. media is grilling these politicians. Like Mhm. Did you know Biden was out of. his mind? Right. Like how did you know? Like Elizabeth Warren was like he was. sharp as attack he was getting up for.

meetings. Never seen him better. I heard. that too. It's like ghost scar bro. He. was like this is the best version of. Biden I've ever seen. Like you should be. literally in jail. You're such a liar. You almost like shifted the whole. Imagine if Biden stayed in. They lied. about that and then he's literally like. a zombie for four more years. and. whoever the hell was running the country. for the last four years just continues. to run it and then they just tighten up. even further cut down on Mark Andre was.

telling me about debanking which I. didn't even know existed where people. that had certain political donations and. political persuasions they would take. their banking away they did no crime. they just say you can't bank here. anymore you got to go find another bank. and there's only like a few banks. there's they're all owned by giant mega. corpor operations. Like, what the [ __ ]. are you doing? Well, it's no different. That kind of reminds me of what happened. in Canada with the truckers. Yes. I. mean, they froze their they froze their.

bank accounts. Well, people who donated. to them. Yeah. People who donated to. them got their bank accounts frozen. How. insane. Insane. Insane. And then that that same. party just won again. Good job, Canada. Oh my god. If they didn't have good bear. hunting, I would never be I would never. go there. I do have to say I offered to. have that Pierre guy come on the. podcast. He didn't do it. Wouldn't do. it. Thought it was too problematic or. whatever. Jordan told me, I forget what. he said, but they they were telling him.

not to do it. Like his adviserss were. telling him not to do it. What? Hey, hey, dumbass. If they can't talk to you. and have a conversation, hold up. It's. not you're not grilling. You're not. attacking people. Of course not. This is. like a safe, you know, the friend zone. type thing. It's like no. And I heard. you talk about Kamla saying, "Just want. to get to know her. Just want to talk to. her." 100%. I said, "If there's certain. things they didn't want to talk about, I. don't need to talk about them. I don't. care." I'm like, "I could talk to you. about [ __ ] AI. You've never been the. gotcha guy." This episode is brought to.

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if I disagree with someone, I just say I. disagree with them. I'm not I don't. attack people. As I've gotten older and. wiser in life, I want less conflict. I. mean, sometimes you have to be able to. disagree in a way that's forceful, but I. don't want I'm never insulting or attack. people, right? And especially this. Pierre PC guy because I don't know how. to say his name. How do you say it? I. have no idea. It's a weird way of saying. it. P. Um I would just ask him questions.

like what's wrong? What's wrong with. Canada? Like how did this happen? and. why did it go this way? Uh what can be. done to reverse some of these things. that have been put into place? Like how. did you feel about this? What what would. you have done differently? Yeah, real. simple stuff. Yeah, real simp I don't. know anything about Canada's politics, right? You know, it'd be interesting. Yeah, I'd love to hear it. It would have. been fun. Yeah. U but what but you know, people are just and this is also why the. attacking of people on social media is. effective. Like the same thing that.

keeps people from saying things because. they're worried that they're going to be. attacked also keeps people from talking. to certain people because they're. worried about be they're being attacked. You know, they'll try to like This is. one of the things that I felt like. Douglas Murray was doing when he was on. the podcast was like trying to gatekeep. who I have on. Like why would you have. this person on? Why would you like he. never even listened to that guy Daryl. Cooper's podcast. Like I would tell. everybody forget about the politic. stuff. Listen to his stuff on Guyana.

Listen to his stuff on Jim Jones. The. Jim Jones series and this is an hours. [ __ ] incredible. Doesn't he do like. hours long discussions? Yeah. Fear and. Loathing in New Jerusalem is something. like 30 hours long. Mhm. Insane stuff. But he's a really thoughtful person and. he delves into all the areas. Let's, you. know, look at this from the the. perspective of the people who were in. the cult. Look at it from Jim Jones's. perspect. Look at it from the nation of. Guyana where he moves there with his.

[ __ ] cult and kills everybody with. Kool-Aid. Mhm. I think it was Kool-Aid. I think it was like a bargain name. It. was like some fake Kool-Aid. Yeah, we. don't sue us. People always say drink. the Kool-Aid, but I do Google that cuz. I'm pretty sure it wasn't really. Kool-Aid. It was something else. Some. cheap too expensive to kill everybody. with top shelf Kool-Aid. Yeah, it's a. lot of sugar you got to put in Kool-Aid. Remember when you used to make Kool-Aid. and it's like what was like a cup of. sugar? Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then you throw the stuff in there. Burke Crusher drinks that all day long.

It was like a 64 ounce jug of Kool-Aid. He was shredded. No, he wasn't. He was. more shredded than he is now. Yes. Yeah. But he's real big right now. I was just. talking to him the other day. I was. like, "Dude, you got to do something." Maybe Flavor. Aid. Flavor similar, but might have been. from cheaper. Yeah. So, that was from. Costco. Yeah. They got it in bulk. Flavor. There it is. Kirkland. Yeah. What does it say? Ho your aid.

What does it say? Where? What does it play? F L Aid. Flavor. Oh, that's an F. Make it larger. I can't. Oh, it's blurry. Probably. Oh, there it goes. Oh, there it goes. Yeah. Flavor. Okay. Flavor. They killed. everybody with flavor. They're mixing it. up. Poison has got to be the [ __ ]. worst way to go. who's feeling your body. just getting destroyed from the inside. out. Terrible for some jackass who's on. meth. It's a crazy podcast. But this is.

my point. Like what they're trying to do. is keep people keep these heterodox. opinions, keep people that are like. outside of the circle of expertise from. talking about things even if they've. read like Daryl Cooper's read like. hundreds of books. The guy's like a. [ __ ] consumate reader and you might. disagree with him about something. That's fine. That's you. You should that. should be okay. Should be okay to. disagree with people about stuff. Yeah. And also what is learning? I mean what.

is learning? Yeah. So you said he he. read he did all this research. Douglas. Murray has a problem with I don't know. who. But what is how is that different. than going to school essentially, right? I mean it's no different. It's no. different. I mean, there are experts. that stop learning the moment they get. their degree. And that's real. Yeah. And. it's a real problem. It's a real problem. in medicine. You know, I had an argument. with Brian Ken years ago because his. doctor was telling him, "You don't need. supplements. You just you just need a. balanced diet." That's what his doctor. was saying. I go, "Your doctor looks.

like shit." Like, what are you talk? Your doctor's fat. He's got a big pot. belly. He's got a big doughy face. He. probably can't run around the block. Shut the [ __ ] up. Don't listen to that. guy. There's plenty of peer-reviewed. papers that talk about the efficacy of. vitamins. They're super beneficial for. you. This is crazy talk. This appeal to. experts just because you have a degree. You're not always right. You're wrong. all the time. Yeah, that was that was. pretty disappointing because I I thought. Douglas Murray I liked listening to him. I thought he was super smart. Obviously. very articulate. So good with that.

accent and that but then on that one I. think I told you it was like or I texted. you or something about man he seemed. pompous. It's like that seemed like that. would took a big for me. It was a loss. for him big time. Well, he used. tactics rather than facts. So, the. tactic was an appeal to experts like. that. And there was also saying that the. coverage was imbalanced cuz I didn't. have enough people that were pro-. Israel. But then I thought about it. afterwards. I'm like, I have quite a. few. There was Jordan, Ben Shapiro,

there was Coleman Hughes. There's uh. there's been quite a few people that are. pro-. Israel and not even that people are. anti-Israel, they just don't want to. watch people get blown apart all the. time. That seems pretty reasonable. But. instead of debating how this is done and. what is being done militarily, it all. became about like who are the experts. and what are the what are the things. that should be discussed and should it. be balanced and do you have an. obligation? Like that's not what we're.

here for. What we're here for is to get. down to business. So what he's doing is. like putting you on the defensive right. away out of the gate, which is like I. recognized it. I'm like, "Okay, no, you're perfect. You're a perfect uh the. perfect person to handle that cuz most. people when they start getting attacked, you get defensive, you attack back, right? It just it just changes the whole. dynamic of the conversation, but you. stayed pretty neutral on that." And you. know, it's a trap. It's a trap. It's. like, you know, when someone gets in. your face and they start yelling in your.

face like, "What? Okay, what are we. doing? we fighting or you know I could. like start yelling too. Yeah. And then. maybe I won't be That's usually what. happens. Yeah. And then maybe I won't be. paying attention to your hands, you. know, or your shoulder movement whether. or not you're going to hit me. Yeah. See, that's a tactic. That's a fighting. tactic. He had the same tactic but not. for fighting but for conversation. Yeah. It's it's a tactic, you know, and then. the thing of a asking Dave, you've never. been like the the to dismiss the and. instead of having a debate on the issue, it's like and this idea of an expert.

like Douglas Murray, I love him dearly. I think he's a brilliant man. He's got a. degree in history or uh excuse me, he's. got a degree in English, bachelor's. degree. Okay? He's not an expert either. Unless we're talking about Shakespeare, shut the [ __ ] up cuz like you're not an. expert either. You know what I mean? I. don't have a degree in anything. I don't. have I have zero degrees in anything. But there's certain things that I'm an. expert in. You want to talk about. martial arts, I'm a martial arts expert. Like if you disagree with me, you have. to be like, in order for me to have a. conversation with someone where they.

disagree with me about marsh, they have. to be so much better. They have to be. like Gordon Ryan, right? You know, like, but I don't disagree with Gordon on. anything. For him, like that's a real. expert. Again, no degrees. That's a real. expert. I would just ask questions like, what do you do in the situation? What's. what's the benefit of this versus that? And so you talk about like the with. these political issues, they're so such. a third rail. It's such a [ __ ]. dangerous subject that people have like. a group that they belong with and then. that group will support them if they go.

out and say these ideas and then the. other people have another group and then. this person's a representative of one. group and they want to duke it out with. the rep. Any reasonable person would. look at Gaza and go this seems kind of. excessive. This seems kind of [ __ ]. crazy. Seems kind of crazy that 70,000. people or whatever it is are dead, including women and children. Like, this. is the only way to do it really. Any. reasonable person that doesn't make you. anti-Semitic. It doesn't make you. anti-Zionist. Doesn't make you anything.

It just like doesn't make you pro-. Hamas. Like, no. Could be pro-human. Yeah. Human beings. I don't think humans. should be murdered. Yeah. Just like that. sounds so reasonable. But the thing is. like we never got into that because the. conversation you tactically he entered. into the conversation as a you know. because he doesn't have really a. defensible position. It's very hard to. say this is the only way to do it. Yeah. So what do you say? You say you need. better experts. You shouldn't be talking. to this person. You should be doing.

this. You should be doing that. Like why. don't you have this? You've never been. there. You should go there. Like [ __ ] I. am not going there. What the [ __ ] are. you talking about? You're not even going. to Brazil for another UFC fight. Yeah, exactly. I don't go to Canada. Not traveling out of the country. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's not not what. I'm interested in doing. I don't have. to. Well, what's crazy is so he had that. take, but you unless you're an expert or. educated, you shouldn't have be able to. share this opinion. Yeah. But he'd had.

the opposite take before. Oh, yeah. which is hilarious because somebody put. a video up of him arguing with him. completely opposite. So that and I'm not. I don't I asked you about this not with. him but I asked you do you think there's. like government plants because it's like. if somebody I'm not saying him I'm just. saying just in general if somebody. changes their position. so I don't know I know it's hard to know. what it how who got to him and why did.

this happen because then I I look around. we talk about the power podcasts and I. see these podcasts and it's like how did. this podcast get every guest you could. ever want and rise to the top in a. heartbeat when we know how it normally. works. It works like you decades, right, to get to the top. Then some people re. So I'm thinking like how did this. happen? Well, some people are really. good. Mhm. you know, and they could be. really good right out of the bat. Right. off the bat, they could be, you know,

better at it and then they get a good. following and then once it gets into the. top 20 or whatever, then they can get. good guests, you know, because when it. comes to that usually takes time. sometimes. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I wonder what would happen if I started. the podcast today. If there was all the. podcasts that were out right now and I. had never done a podcast and I started. it today and I did it exactly how I'm. doing it, how long would it take before. it catches on? I don't know how either. I would suck though. That would be a. problem. I would suck and everybody be.

watching cuz I sucked when nobody was. watching and I got better at it. I. figured out how to do it. Um, but as far. as like Douglas, I don't know if anybody. got to him or whether or not the group. that he associates with thinks this way. I don't necessarily put everything. inside of a grand conspiracy. It might. be that he has financial ties towards. certain things, you know, like so he, you know, he speaks at certain places, he sells certain books, he knows how. he's selling them. I mean, or it might.

be just that's how he thinks about. things, too. There some sometimes people. always think like, oh, somebody got to. him. Like maybe that's just how he. thinks. Yeah. Somebody has to think that. way. Otherwise, that wouldn't be an. opinion that's out there in the. zeitgeist. Normally, people don't switch. 180 degrees on things though, especially. like that. Yeah. I mean, that's true. That's true. Because because if he's. educated on things, if he's been around, if he's, you know, this smart, wise. person, you you form this opinion based.

on that. You don't go 180 degrees the. other way and change complete the. complete opposite take. Right. Unless. you've been influenced. It wasn't like. you were just a kid and you didn't know. and now all of a sudden you're an adult. Was like I can't believe I used to say. that. He was an adult the whole time. Right. Right. Right. Right. So how I. don't know. You know it's you definitely. could get suspicious for sure. But you. know I hear suspicious but I hear people. say that about me too which is. hilarious. But I say, but then I have.

like CIA handlers. I've heard all that. Decades, dude. You've been doing this. Yeah, you're the OG. I'm one of the OGs. Yeah. Um I think for sure people do get. influenced, but I think people also. allow themselves to get in influenced. because they have a financial interest. in keeping a certain opinion because. they know that the group that they. belong to has that certain opinion. There's that. But the real problem with. doing what he did was that it diminishes. you publicly. Like if you really want to.

do that kind of a debate, if you really. want to use those kind of tactics rather. than a discussion of the issue like. you've never been like that kind of. stuff diminishes you publicly because. everybody knows what you're doing. Yeah. Instead of just having a conversation. about Yeah. Okay. Anybody with a anybody. with an opinion I value knows what. you're doing. Because if you understand. conversations, you understand that's. this is not you're not really engaging. with the ideas. You're deciding whether.

or not a person should have these ideas. or be able to you've never been there. Like you can't how can you have an. opinion, you know, at least you should. do the courtesy like now now I'm. virtuous. I have been I put I'm. elevated. I'm better than you. You are. diminished. You haven't even been there. Your opinion is basically meaningless. Yeah. you know, and then it gets to this. weird place where it's like who's. allowed to talk about what, you know, that's that's what it just the change. was so abrupt and so opposite. I was. just like because you could think if. somebody.

was I don't Okay, here's an example. I. had somebody offer me. today, not today, yesterday, if I would. wear their hat $5,000. So, would the hat have a bunch of dicks. on it? No, you're just a brand. But uh. but so point. is there's value into doing this. So if. somebody says, "Well, your your voice is. this powerful or you can reach this many. people or this many people listen to.

you." So if it's a political party or a. movement and they have this guy, we. we'll pay you this much to push this. point. UFC 315 is almost here. We've got. two title fights with Muhammad versus. Dela Matalena and Valentina Chevchenko. and Manan Fure. And I've got just one. question for you. Are your bets in? If. not, look no further than DraftKings. Sportsbook, official sports betting. partner of the UFC. If you're brand new. to DraftKings, here's something big. New.

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Smith has incredible recall and he's. very well read. I mean, he's a consumate. consumer of information and he's always. reading books. on the different wars and foreign. policy. Like he's really into it. The. way he explains it to me is like cuz I'm. always like, "Your recall is insane.". He's like, "Yeah, but I could talk to. you about a fight that happened 10 years. ago and you'll tell me exactly how it. went down." Like that's all it is. Just. this is what I'm into. it just like it's.

not I'm not not studying it for any. other reason other than I'm fascinated. by human conflicts like global conflicts. and so when when a guy like that is. rising you want to try to diminish his. impact if he disagrees with your. perspective like if you see someone but. not everybody would want to disinish. that impact not everybody that's a. certain type of person but he's also a. certain type of person that kind have.

existed in both traditional media and. alternative media. I mean, he always did. my podcast and you know, he's written. some great books like The Strange Death. of Europe is very good and proving to be. very accurate. You know, if you look at. like what's happening with mass. migration into Europe, like he was. calling this a long time ago. He was. saying like this is and he was being. called terrible names, racist, Islamophobic, all these different. things. And it turns out he was right. I. mean what they're what Conor McGregor's.

talking about in Ireland now and a lot. of other Irish people are talking about. what people are talking about in the UK. He was right like you're you're changing. your culture and you're doing it you're. not get you're you're not having people. move there that are assimilating and. becoming British. You're having people. that are coming there and trying to. change what being British means. Right? This is all he was saying. And so I. agree with him on a lot of things. But I. think that's how life is. You agree with. people on some things, you disagree with. them on other things. And this is.

supposed to be how most people um view. basically everything in life. There's. going to be things that you agree with. that there's a lot I have a lot of. friends that disagree with me on certain. things, but that should be fine. Yeah, that should be normal. But for some. people, it's not. For some people, it's. not allowed because they they live in. this sort of debate culture. And you. know, and some people they do debates, one of the first things they do is they. insult the people they're debating with. just like ad homonym attacks and and.

again trying to get you on the. defensive. That's it's like a tactic of. when we talk about mainstream media like. those interview type shows where you. only have a certain amount of time, right? So they have to get right to it. Yeah. Whereas that's not the case with a. with a podcast. Also, I value. perspective. I value someone who could. look at things and go, "Yeah, like. clearly the devastation is horrible. Clearly, clearly it's horrible. Clearly. there's innocent people." I've seen. people say, I don't want to say who.

I've seen people say there are no. innocent Palestinians in Gaza. I've seen. people say that. Like, that's a crazy. thing to say. That's a crazy thing to. say, especially in a place that's. controlled by essentially a terrorist. group. Like like that's a crazy thing to. say. Like what do you what do you think. Chicago would look like? How do you. think people would behave if they were. if Chicago was controlled by a terrorist. group? Do you think people would be free. to speak out against them? That's is. that the problem? Then they're not.

speaking out against them. So they they. should get bombed. That's crazy. If you. have a wife and a child and you barely. getting by, you barely have enough money. for food. Are you really going to be out. in the streets protesting against this. [ __ ] terrorist group with machine. guns and and billions of dollars they've. gotten from US A? Yeah. No, you. wouldn't. You wouldn't you wouldn't be. you're not expressing yourself freely. So, how do we even know what their. opinions are? Yeah, it's it's true. Yeah. It's just I mean all of it just a. changing landscape of media has just you. know it just gets you thinking about.

like these voices and you know and. Douglas brought it up with and that. discussion was was interesting but all. that I remember from it is like how how. much he changed his perspective. But so. anyway, I think he's still a brilliant. guy. Yeah. And I would still talk to him. and listen to him about a lot of things, but I think having conversations like. that, communicating with people like. that diminishes your appeal or. diminishes whether or not it diminishes.

you the overall impact of your mind on. other people because I know you think. goofy this way. I know you you. communicate goofy this way. And as soon. as I know that, I'm like, "Yeah, now I. have to put this through this filter.". Now, when you say things, I have to go, "Yeah, but he believes a bunch of goofy. [ __ ] about that." Which is fine. Which. is fine. I'm sure people do that with. me, too. It's normal. But I think for. someone who is a public intellectual,

that becomes a problem when everyone. who's really paying attention knows. you're using tactics rather than. actually just debating the issues at. hand, just talking it through. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like the thing is like. who's talking? Like come on. Everybody's. talking, [ __ ] The whole world's. talking. Like let people talk. Yeah. It's a crazy time for sure. But yeah. You know what else? You know what I was. thinking also? I don't think I don't. have Did you know I don't have a bow. hunting degree? Oh, that's crazy. You.

should get a degree. Who's giving out. degrees? I shouldn't be able to bow. hunt. Really? Should I? Yeah, you're. allowed to bow hunt without a degree. Yeah, because it's a caveman. [ __ ] practice. How awesome is bow hunting though? It's. the best. Yeah. Best way to get food. Yeah. There's no better way to get food. Have Have you been shooting much? Yeah. Shot this morning. Went to waste about. Yeah. Are we going to shoot? Uh I don't. know if I have time today unfortunately. because we spent so much time at Waste. to Well, and I got I got to head home. after this getting healthy. Yeah, we.

were getting stem cells today and the. was the mask the infusion the lung. stuff. Yeah, that was uh Well, it's stem. cell nebulizer basically. Yeah. So, you. breathe it in. So, you're breathing in. like vape. You're vaping stem cells. It's got to be Hey, all I know and I. said this when I was there, but I did. that last time and then I ran a five. mile race. It was 8K, but my fastest. five miles I've ever run. Really? With a. broken foot. Yeah. At 57. So, it's like.

I don't know what it if it didn't hurt. It didn't hurt me obviously. Well, they've done so many amazing things with. me that I'm, you know, when they say. something is really great you should. try, I'm like, "Okay." So, I put the. mask on and I'm sitting there with you. We're talking about Rocky Marciano. We I got into these old uh videos on. YouTube of fighters training. And I got. into this uh one video that I sent you. about Rocky Marciano and how insane his. training was. And it was 7 days a week.

He would spar sometimes 30, 40 rounds in. a day. He would run 10 miles in the. morning and then five more miles at. night. And then he would swim two miles. in the lake. He would swim across the. lake and then back and then he would get. up in the morning and do it all over. again. And he never took days off. No. And another thing, he was like focused. on recovery and sleep. Like he would be. in bed like at 9:00, I think I said. every night. Yep. and get his sleep in,

but work so hard. And why do we love. stories like that? Because you know how. hard it is to do. Yeah. You know, but. it's it's impossible. I mean, it's. possible, but it's impossible for most. It's like it it requires a mind that is. just fortified through will and. discipline to this strange hardness. that's just different than everybody. else's. Well, but but why would Okay, so.

he retired at 49 and0. Yeah, heavyweight. Everybody knows him in. fighting. Maybe not everybody in the. world, obviously. He died a while ago. But by the way, small heavyweight. We're. talking about that, too. I think in his. prime he was 190bs or 189 pounds, something like something crazy. Like. what did Rocky Marciano weigh while he's. fighting? I think he was 5'10" and he. weighed like 189bs, which is insane. Yeah. Like. 188. That's so crazy, dude. So, he. weighed 12 lb less than me. Think about.

that. 510 and a quarter. He weighs 12. He's 2 inches taller than me and a. little more. And then he weighs 12 lb. less. Did he fight Joe Lewis and Sunny. Le? Yeah, he fought No, no, no, no. He. fought Joe Lewis when Joe Lewis was way. past his prime and and flatlined him. It. was pretty brutal. It was a scary fight. What? He was That's so crazy that he was. only 188 pounds and he was the. heavyweight champion. Granted, this is a. different world. Yeah. Different era for. different era. There was no Tyson Fury.

and there's no Mike Tyson either, right? Like everybody talks about Rocky. Marciano. Rocky Marciano is great. Mike. Tyson would have went through him like a. [ __ ] train through a flock of sheep. Yeah, it's a different world. Rocky at. his heaviest, he weighed 192. Okay. He. fought seven boxers who weighed more. than 200 lb. But people weren't that big. back then. Sunonny Lon was Sunonny Lon. was big. Yeah. So he would have been 20. pounds bigger bigger than Rocky Mariano. Sunny Lon. Yes. But Mike Tyson wasn't. that big when he was in his prime. When.

his prime he was like 215 220, you know, and 510 or 5'11 as well. He wasn't very. big. And he was did he was born in 69. Did I see that right? No, no, no. I. think that's when he died. Oh, when he. died I was going to say he can't be. younger than us. No, no, no, no. He was. a heavyweight champion in the 1950s. All. right, never mind. I do feel old, but. it's not that old. Find um Rocky. Marciano KO's Joe Lewis. It was brutal. cuz you know, back then when you were 38.

or whatever Joe Lewis was when they. fought, you were really 38, no. nutrition, you know, also lifetime of. fighting. Probably needed the money, which is why he took the fight. I mean, it's not like the Joe Lewis that knocked. out Max Schmemelling in the height of. the war and it was like an America's. hero. This is this is Joe Lewis when. he's on his balding. He's got a big bald. spot in the back. He's like, it's sad. Yeah. And Rocky Marciano just malls him. Just what's crazy about how did George.

Foreman reinvent himself when he was. old. The thing is like one one thing. that you did see in this fight was the. technical brilliance of Joe Lewis, especially early in the fight. Like if. they had fought in their prime, I think. Lewis would have [ __ ] him up. That's. my belief. Mhm. He's a lot bigger. He. was he was taller and but he also had. incredible power. How old was Well, we'll ask after we watch this video, but. he was doing really well for a while. But the thing about Marciano was he was.

not the most talented, but he did not. get [ __ ] tired and he hit like a. truck. He hit like a truck and he was. just a [ __ ] animal. He just plowed. forward. He never ran out of gas. Like. this is not like a technically skilled. boxing match. He would just maul guys. He would just bob and weave and this is. the end of it. At the end, Joe Lewis. goes through the ropes. It's sad, man. It's sad. Yeah, it's sad. That's a. That's How old was Joe Lewis when he. fought Rocky Marciano? That's a sad. He.

looked pretty good though up until like. Rocky started catching him. But this is. how a lot of Rocky's fights would go. even his last fight um which was it. against was it against Archie Moore I. think he he got dropped in that fight. and just got up and just eventually. pounded him and and beat him down and. KO'ed him. Yeah, but he was just so. [ __ ] tough like what he would do to. himself was nothing compared to whatever.

was going to happen inside that ring. Right. So that was that was going to be. my point. So he had all his success um. retired undefeated pretty young too. People knew he was 30. Julis was 37. 37. Okay. That's how old Poeton is right. now. Okay. That's how old Alex Pereira. is right now, right? That's crazy. So 37. back then was like it was over. Oh yeah. So much older. Um, but yeah, so when you. look at Rocky's success, why weren't why.

even seeing that and there's fighters. out there, why wouldn't they emulate his. style, his training, his why why if you. if that's what you do and you want the. same type of success, why are you. letting somebody outwork you? Yeah, it's. not that simple. It's like, first of. all, you're not as exposed to people. like that unless you train with them. Yeah, there's no videos. There's no You. might hear things, you know, but if you. hear things like, "I heard Rocky's. training seven days a week, 24 hours a.

day. He don't sleep. He only eats raw. meat." You hear stories like that and. you're like, "That was Mickey. That was. Rocky's train." Yeah. Well, that you. know, but like. that you would hear exaggerations. You. always hear exaggerations that come out. of fight gyms. But I would I would want. to believe those if I was a fighter and. be like, cuz didn't didn't Tyson used to. say that? That's why I got up at 5:00 in. the morning or 4 in the morning. Yes. Well, Tyson did train like that. Yeah. You know who else trained like that. forever? Marvin Haggler. Oh, I I thought. you going to say Floyd. Marvin Haggler.

trained like a [ __ ] warrior. He used. to run in he used to train on the sand. dunes in the Cape of Cape Cod in the. middle of the winter and he would just. be running screaming war. Love that war. Just throwing punches. He would run in. combat boots. Dude, he was an animal. He. was an animal. Just Spartan. He would go. to this Provincetown Inn, no [ __ ]. phones. He would tell his wife and. family, "I'm gone. I don't exist. I'm.

gone for two months. It would just. vanish." And every day would be the same. thing. And he would spar, he would spar. a lot. Haggler was sparring a 100 rounds. a week. So he was sparring 20 rounds a. day for five days in a row. So, and he would bring in fresh sparring. partners, too. It's not like one guy. he's beating up for 20 rounds. No, he'd. bring in he would rotate five different. sparring partners, so they would all. come in and and do four rounds. Do that, too, kind of perhaps. Uh I don't know. I.

mean um I don't know exact Kabib had. unbelievably grueling training sessions. and you know that was one of the things. that was. so apparent like with his his endurance. and his his discipline was like second. to none. They were like no girlfriends, no phones, no [ __ ] no video games. [ __ ] you. We train. Yeah. And you know. recover, train, eat, recover, train. And. you want to you want to really be a. champion? This is how you have to work.

And this is how Islam Makachev is so. good. That's why Khabib is so good. Those guys are disciplined. So if I. think about it, you know, we love. stories like that. We love all the. sparring, but it can't it's not going to. lead to a long life. No. I mean, no. But. is that the price to be a Rocky Mariano. or a Kabib who has to retire at whatever. he was 32 or whatever? It's like, is. that what it takes? It probably does to. be icon to be legends. Yeah. You give up.

something to get something like I don't. think Yeah. I don't think you could be. completely balanced to be and be the. best ever. But, you know, it depends on. how you're doing it. You know, like the. thing that's so brilliant about Floyd. Mayweather is that if you look at his. career, he might have been really hit. hard four or five times. Yeah. In his. whole career, which is insanity. I mean, he really is only That's Haggler. Yeah. in the snow screaming war.

Dude, I Why? It is the best. Yeah. But. so why do we love stories like this? Well, for me, when I was a kid, Hagler. was the man. Yeah. You know, when I was. in high school, but we still we still. love them now. Yeah. I love like that. clip you sent me yesterday. Oh, yeah. Or. this this clip is the same same um. YouTube. It's Boxing Life. Is that the. YouTube channel? So, really good. channel. But uh with Haggler's. discipline was just it was so admirable.

Like he didn't have to go [ __ ] Cape. Cod in the middle of the winter, right? He did it because he wanted to be. separated. He wanted to live a Spartan. life. Look, he would run backwards. Yeah. Throwing punches. And uh that's uh. I think that's either Goody or Pat. The. Petronelli brothers were the guys who. trained him. But like this is his. workout. Six mile run, steep hills, running backwards, breakfast, rest, watch TV, film, late lunch, boxing. training, strength and conditioning, dinner, watch film, and sleep, repeat, rinse, do it again day after day after.

day. That's it. I see too much chill out. in there. And my favorite fight with him. was against John the Beast Mugabi. because everybody points to the Hearn's. fight where he beat the [ __ ] out of. Hearns and KO'ed him. Incredible. Incredible. Incredible knockout for. sure. One of the best boxing matches. one of the beck's most entertain. entertaining world championship fights. of all time. But for me, it was Mugabi. because Mugabi was uniquely talented. You Mugabi had insane power. I remember. I was at a boxing gym in Massachusetts.

at the time. Mugabi was about to fight. Haggler when Mugabi was coming up and. they were telling me stories about. Mugabi fighting guys and they never. fought again. They had brain damage, you. know. I don't know how again boxing gym. talk, it's hard to know. Yeah, but I. remember being a kid listening to this. going, "What the fuck?" Like, he hit. that hard. Mugabi just was flattening. people. See if you can find John Mugabi. Who did he KO? Did he KO Terry Norris?

No, that was later. Who did John Mugabi. fight that he knocked out? Best KOs of. John. Let's see. Look, pull up John. Mugabi's record. So, John Mugabi was. like almost kind Okay, here. Top John. Mugabi greatest knockouts. He was almost. like a Francis and Ganu guy where it's. like his power was just so crazy. You. would watch him hit people and you go, "What the [ __ ] man?" Oh, this is Julian. Jackson, right? Is that who it is? Said. something else. I'm pretty sure he KO'ed. Julian Jackson. Or maybe that was Terry.

No, Julian Jackson ko Terry Norris. But, you know, he just had just extraordinary. power. Are they showing the KOs here? This is just a lot of boxing. Here it. is. Here he goes. Oh yeah, bro. He just had this one punch knockout. power. And when he fought Haggler, man, he caught Haggler with some big shots. And one of the more impressive things.

about Marvin was not just that he was. such a big puncher and a great boxer, but also how durable he was because he. was in such incredible shape. You know, he never went down his entire career. He. has one knockdown and it was 100%. [ __ ] He fought this guy named Juan. Raldan and when Haggler was bending. over, Juan Raldan kind of cuffed him in. the back of the neck and he fell forward. and they called it a knockdown. It was. not a knockdown. And most boxing experts. I would I would actually argue all. boxing experts agree that that was not a.

real knockdown. So you're talking about. a guy who fought Tommy Hearns. He fought. See that last one? Yeah, it was a little. illegal. a little on the on the knee. One knee down, he KO's him. Yeah. But. the point is, Mugabi was terrifying and. he was [ __ ] everybody up and Haggler. broke him. But in the beginning, it was. rough. In the beginning, it was rough. Mugabi was landing some big shots. See. if you can find Mugab. Well, I know it's. available. Mugabi versus Haggler. He was. mean, too, man. Like hitting guys where. they were down. Dangerous dangerous guy.

And I don't know if he fought again. after Haggler KO'ed him, but he was. never never in the conversation again. Haggler broke him. Haggler told him he. was going to retire him. He's like, "I'm. going to retire him. He's never going to. box again." And he just beat him down. And I think it was the 11th round when. he finally stopped him. 5'8 and 5'9. Yeah. 160, you know, that's. about right. You know, generally. speaking, for, you know, heavily muscled. guys, especially back then, those guys. were not cutting a lot of weight like. they are today, right? Like some of.

these guys today are are cutting big. weight. Oh god, Haggler looks good, doesn't he? Yeah, by the time the eighth. round started happening, Haggler, one of. the things about Haggler that was so. good was Haggler could switch. So he. could fight you southpaw and then in the. middle of nowhere he would switch up and. start fighting you orthodox and was just. as good. Just as good. The only guy. who's like that is Terence Crawford. who's champion now. He's the only guy. that I've ever seen that fights just as. good from Southpaw as from Orthodox. M. Haggler was a rarity back then, a guy.

that could switch it up like that. Like. nobody had ever seen that before. Yeah. But that's also why it was very. difficult for him to get fights early on. because nobody really wanted to fight a. southpaw. Like southpaws were they were. too awkward. Everything's backwards. And. if you're not used to fighting. southpaws, they have an advantage. because they're always fighting Orthodox. people, right? Makes sense. Yeah. And so. they're accustomed to that one look. Now, this fight had gone back and forth. and back and forth. This is the end. This is when Haggler finally gets him.

Boom. And that was it. And I think that. was the 11th or the 12th round. I think. it was the 11th round of a 12 round. fight. So, Haggler fought in the era. where they used to have 15 round fights. and they turned them into 12 rounders. after Duck Kim died when Ray Mancini KO. Duck Kim. Yeah, it's a lot of damage. 15. rounds of head shots. Yeah, man. Well, I. mean, I think that's why Rocky Marciano. retired when he was 32 and, you know, 49. and0 and 32 years old. He could have. kept fighting, could have kept making.

money. 32 is your athletic prime. That's. what I'm thinking like in, you know, Kabib did the same thing. And when I I I. just love seeing those training camp. videos carrying the rocks and running. the mounds. And it's just like, but you. know, back to my point, why do we love. that? just because it's so primal or and. it's just just men just giving. everything they have. It's it's like. it's and it's one reason why Gogggins is. such a draw. Yeah. You know, for sure.

He's sort of like that. Oh, he's very. much like that. But the craziest thing. about Gogggins is he's not even training. for anything. I asked him about it. He. goes, "I'm downloading downloading. information." I'm like, "You're. downloading what are you downloading? This is so crazy." We were talking about. the video that he that uh Style Bender. just put out. Shout out to Style Bender. for putting this out too. We were also. giving him credit because respect. because David broke him. The higher we. go. Cuz if they're hurting that comment, you're hurting and you are willing to go.

to another level higher. That's when you. break off. [Music]. Where your world ends, mine begins. Where your world ends, mine begins. Keep. going. Keep going. And this is one of. Gogggins multiple workouts of the day. that he took Style Bender through there. Style Bender's off the Yeah. And he's. they're helping him back up. By the way, this is after they already ran. This is. like the second. This is the third thing. they did. They ran then they did the.

aine bike and then they're doing this. So they already did sprints on the. aerodyine bike. They ran for distance. I. don't know how many miles they ran, but. he was exhausted after the run, then. exhausted after the aine. And then he. does this and then they do it all over. again. Yeah. They start again with the. [ __ ] air dye machine. They go back. and forth and then it goes to sit-ups. and then it goes to it just like it. never ends. And this is one. And then. people go, "He's not doing that every. day." Well, [ __ ] clearly he is. Clearly he is cuz look at him. He's not. even breathing heavy. Style Bender is.

dying and David Gogggins is talking to. him with normal breath. At the same. time, a world champion, one of the. greatest middleweights of all time. can't even keep this food down. And. remember, this is Style Bender who. against Kevin Gassam was saying, "I'm. prepared to die." Going into the fifth. round. Yeah. Looks across the ring cage. says, "I'm prepared to die." Same guy. Same guy. Yeah. There's levels when it.

comes to endurance, you know. And I was. telling you about when we were getting. our infusions, when we were vaping stem. cells today, I was telling you about BJ. Penn when he was in his prime. When BJ. Penn was in his prime, he was training. with uh Marv Marinovich. And Marv. Marinovich had very unorthodox training. methods where it was all plyometrics, explosive drills, sprints, box jumps, all this crazy stuff. And he believed, and I'm I'm hope I'm not quoting him. incorrectly, but he believed that fight.

training was of secondary importance. when you're in camp. And really what was. important is to just have a [ __ ]. insane gas tank. Like BJ Penn knows how. to fight. He's a world champion. He's. not going to forget how to fight. But. you could get him training this way. where you have this gas tank that's just. insane. And when BJ Penn was training. with him, he was unstoppable, man. He. was like I always say this, like people. talk about Kabib being the greatest. lightweight of all time, and maybe he.

is. It's very possible he is. But I. would put the BJ Penn that fought Joe. Daddy Stevenson. The BJ Penn that fought. Sean Sherk. The BJ Penn that was like in. that peak when he was training with the. I would put him against anybody against. anybody against D when he fought Diego. Sanchez. He couldn't be stopped. And. then if you got him to the ground, his. [ __ ] submission game was insane. It. was insane off of his back. He would. take your back, you're dead. He would. knock you out standing up. His. kickboxing was elite. And how do you. think Kabib would fight him? take him.

down for sure. He probably fight him the. same way George St. Pierre did, you. know, but the difference in size between. BJ Penn and George St. Pierre is pretty. significant, right? BJ Penn was really. 155 pound guy who actually later in his. career fought 145 when he later, you. know, which was, you know, when he was. kind of at the end of his career. But. the but you know, George is way bigger. Like George was a big 170, big muscular. 170 with great wrestling.

nasty ground and pound and a black belt. in jiu-jitsu himself and also a really. good striker and just you know in his. prime when he was so wellrounded. Yeah. And there was also accusations of. greasing you know because uh you know. George was very slippery in that fight. which is uh if you're a grappler and the. other person you can't get a hold of him. especially if you're a guy like BJ who. fights so well off of his back. BJ's. legs were like arms where he could be. sitting there without using his hands.

He could put his feet in the lotus. position. So like completely cross and. lock his legs in the lotus position. without using his hands at all. Wow. Yeah. Crazy flexibility and dexterity. So if you were trapped in his guard, you. were [ __ ] Yeah. You see those guys. who they're on their they're on their. back and they get their leg up around. the guy with top position's head. Yeah. Somehow, you know, just when you're in. like Eddie Bravo, it's terrifying. Eddie. Bravo has the craziest guard I've ever. been in. It's so nuts. And there's a.

bunch of Eddie students like Jeremiah. Vance who also have these like insane. guards like that. There's certain guys. where like if you're if they're on their. back, it's no picnic. Like Fabricio. Verdum, he tapped Fedor Ameliono from. his back. He got him in an armbar. triangle from his back. Yeah. Like Well, you could tell like if we talk about a. recent fight, uh Chandler vers Patty. Pimpblelet, Chandler didn't really want. to be on the ground with Patty and. Chandler's a wrestler. like he loves. being on top ground, but still he had. top position and was still nervous about.

doing stuff it seemed like. I don't. know. Yes. Well, seems like Patty's a. big lightweight. He really is. I mean, I. know he gets real fat in between fights. He gets a kick out of it, but he's big. Yeah, he's he's big, you know? He's a. lot bigger than people think. I always. say that he tricks people by dancing and. having silly hair and you go, "Oh, that's a killer." He's like tricking. you. He's like, you know, he's like one. of them them bugs that pretends it's a. stick and you get close and it jacks. you. Yeah. Yeah. He looked he looked so.

good. He's really good. Which I, you. know, I'm you know, Chand I love. Chandler. Love Chandler. That was a. tough one to watch. I I love Chandler as. well. I love Patty as well. Patty is. very impressive. Oh yeah. You know, there's a good argument that the last. three guys he fought, Bobby Green, um. Chandler, and um Tony Ferguson, like. he's fighting guys with losing records, which is true. You know, that is true. But it it's still very impressive what. he did to Chandler in comparison to like.

what Olivivera did. Like Olivivera was. in real trouble in the third round of. their last fight. Real trouble. And real. trouble in the first round of their. first fight. And Patty was never in. trouble. Chandler was this close to. having that belt. Yes. In that first. round. This close in the first round. This close. And um maybe just got Yeah, sure. Thank you. Maybe just got a little. overzealous in that fight. Yeah, he was. excited. I mean, obviously the second. round, who wouldn't be? Yeah. But also, Olive is a master. Oh, yeah. So good.

Well, that his fight against I think. Armen, right? Mhm. Was so so good. I was. watching those guys fight and I'm just. like I've never seen two guys this. crisp, good, technical, just never out. of position hardly. And Charles almost. caught him twice in two very close. submission attempts. Looked like he was. out at at one time. He wasn't moving. Well, he got he was pretty locked in, but it he wasn't out, but it was very. close. It was very close to I think he. should have won that fight in my.

opinion. Those positions where Charles. had where you were that close to. finishing a fight count for a lot. Yeah. And I think that's part of the problem. with scoring system. It's one thing if. you like go for a guillotine, the guy. gets out of it immediately, you're on. your back getting beat up. That. submission attempt, that's not that. much. When a guy has a fully locked in. dar choke and you're almost out and you. get saved by the bell, that should count. for a lot. What's the best position for. a dar cuz they were both kind of flat on. the ground. Yeah, there's a bunch of. different ways you can catch a dar, but.

the way a dar works is like say if you. have an under hook, which means your. left arm is wrapped around my waist. What I want to do is shove my arm under. your armpit so it pops out the side of. your neck. Then I want to wrap my bicep. around like this. So I lock my arm. around one side of your neck and this. and then I'm squeezing. So that's Tony. Ferguson. He had a nasty nasty dar. His. Tony's dar was elite cuz Tony has long.

you see him catching it standing up. there. Tony has long arms and he's. strong as [ __ ] and he's got like a great. grappling base cuz he started off as a. wrestler. Oh there Yeah. See there's. Charles is that Charles is up on top. right there. Yeah cuz that's what I was. saying. They're kind of laying both flat. and I just didn't know what was best. Well that's not ideal. ideal is when you. get the guy on his back and then you. could lock like the Dustin Porier one.

where Islam has him. See how Dustin in. the the lower right hand corner? Yeah, that's it right there. So that's him. against um scer there. That's that's uh. Hanato Moano. But one of the things you. see about Islam, he's a very unique way. of doing the dar is Islam grabs his own. wrist like this to finish it. Yeah. Whereas other guys go all the way down. to the bicep. And the thing about. grabbing the wrist like that that's. really good is you can make it a little.

bit tighter in a situation where you. can't like some guys they have too much. bulk and maybe your arms are too short. You can't get the like having long arms. is really important for a dar. Like Jon. Jones must have a wicked dar cuz you can. get the arms all the way through. If. they're long then you can cinch it up. But Islam cinches it up actually by. grabbing a hold of his wrist. And so it. gives you extra space and the grip that. he uses is incredibly tight. He's also. insanely strong. Who who is Islam? Islam.

is insanely strong. Like he's got that. sort of elite grappling strength that. comes from decades of throwing human. bodies around. Yeah. There's a thing. about that. Like here it says Demetrius. Johnson says I felt it. I know [ __ ]. Max Holloway just texted me. How strong. is that dar? That's that's a sick dar. Islam is elite. He's elite when it comes. to like strangling people. So is.

Iliotaporia. He's got a nasty dar to. fight. I don't know. Oh that never got. signed. It's the word is and this is. only from the internet. This is not from. Dana. Uh, and if he told me, he'd. probably tell me not to tell anybody, so. I won't tell you. Um, but the word on. the internet is that Ilia plans to fight. in the June card, the big international. fight Week card at the end of June. Whether or not it's for the title, he. said he's only fighting for the title. That's what he said. Unless he said.

Conor McGregor, he said I'd fight Conor. McGregor or the title. I think he's just. fight Conor McGregor because he knows. the them numbers would be [ __ ]. insane. It would be Yeah. millions of. dollars. how how um but it doesn't mean. he's fighting is Islam because Islam. might decide I'm gonna go up to 170, right? Yeah. Like here's what could. happen because Islam's been talking. about fighting 170. Um if Bal Muhammad, who's the current welterweight champion, who's going to fight Jack Dela Matalena, which is only in like a couple of weeks, right? Mhm. When is that? When is that.

one? Yeah, that's coming up. They might. hold that announcement until that fight. So Islam and Bal were training partners. and apparently Kabib does not want Islam. to fight Bal. But if Bal loses to Jack. Dela Matalena, then it's a no-brainer. Why Why do you Why doesn't he not want. him to fight him? Next Saturday, not. this, but next. May 10th. Yeah. So it's. real soon. So all they would have to do. is hold off their announcement until.

May. I see. So if Balah wins then. there's an issue because Kabib does not. want Islam appar allegedly apparently. doesn't want him fighting because. they're brothers, you know, they train. together, the whole deal. Okay. Oh, I. see. Um but Islam's big. I mean, he. easily could be fighting at 170. It's. probably torture for him to get down to. 155. Whenever I interview him, I'm like, how are you 155? This is so crazy. That. that would show rough weight cuts for. him. It seems like it's rough. He's big. He's probably 190 plus.

Look at that. Boom. Oh yeah. Islam says, "I'm going to submit you with that. because that's your that's your thing.". Islam says, or excuse me, Ilia says that. he's going to submit Islam with whatever. his favorite move is. He's like, "Tell. me your favorite choke. Tell me your. favorite submission. That's what I'm. going to submit you with.". Yeah. You know, it's easy to say, you. know, that's a that's an elite level and. a lot bigger. Yeah. I was going to I was. going to ask. like, you know, how hard is it or who is. the next star? Because, you know, we.

kind of saw this with Rhonda when she. was coming out of the women's division. It's like, who is the next star going to. be? Connor. Still, people are trying to. call Connor out because they know of. that money that's involved with it. Who. how do we get that next superstar? Well, they have to win. You know, it was. Sugashan Ali could have had it if he. beat Morab, you know, but that was a. nightmare matchup and he had a [ __ ] up. hip going into that fight, which is it's.

one of those things the UFC was putting. on this big show at the Sphere, which. was insane. By the way, Nick, if they. ever do one again, you got to go. Yeah, the [ __ ] sphere is crazy. Yeah, I. remember watching it. Let's go. It's so. crazy. It's like a total experience in. and unto itself. I need to go to a. concert there. It's the most amazing. venue I've ever seen in my life. And. it's there's not even a close second. Like nothing's close. There's a really. cool one in LA that just opened up that. we did a LA card there a few months. back. That was really good, too. But.

it's like onetenth of the sphere. The. sphere is nuts. Yeah. It's so nuts. It. looked insane on on TV. And the sound. the sound you feel it through your. [ __ ] bones. It's wild. That was like. last May 5th, wasn't it? I believe so. Yeah. Cinco deio. So, um, for him to. take that fight with a bad hip is crazy. And I know he did it because he thought. he could win anyway because he's a. champion and that's how champions think, but you have to. But with a bad hip,

when you're fighting a wrestler and you. weren't wrestling at all in training. because your hip's bad, that's crazy. That's like you got you got to get it. fixed. Just get it fixed. Tell Tell them. it blew out and you can't walk. Get it. fixed. You got to think about the legacy. in the future. And taking a fight. against a guy who's an elite grappler. while you have a blown hip is kind of. insane. If you can't grapple, like it. seems insane. Yeah. I mean, he could. have won. I think it's that mindset you.

just have to have. It kind of can get. you in trouble, too. And you look at how. good his takedown defense was against. Almaine Sterling. So, Al Jamine Sterling. in the first round tried to take Shawn. down. He could not take him down. And. that was a big factor. Like Al Jane was. in trouble because if you can't take him. down and Shawn is a [ __ ] sniper. He's. a sniper and he knows how to find that. chin man. He's he's got a pull right. hand that's like from the textbooks. And. the one he would hit Almaine with that's. on that's going to be in that UFC when.

they play the Who? Yeah. When they play. Bob O'Reilly, that'll be on that. forever. That is such a clean right. hand. It's such a pull back. Oh, and he. and Alraine saw it coming. Oh, you can. see his face. Yeah, he's like, "Oh, no. What have I done?" I know. And I bet he. thought he could do that to Morab, too. And he might have been able to, but. Morab is a different Morab's a different. species of human. So, again, same kind. of guy. I know. Same kind of guy. So, listen,

I've had to we've been kind of dealing. with this with with my kids and TR and. all this stuff he's been doing, but I. think those those fighters we're talking. about um it just made me think of my. kids. But when you start them at. as kids like like the guys like Kabib, Dagistani guys, Morab, those guys have. been training forever, right? Yep. For. sure. Forever. Yeah, for sure. That has. to give you Yeah. You have to have other.

abilities and talents and skills and. this mindset, but when you start that. early, by the way, Rocky Marciano didn't. start boxing until he was 23. Okay. Well, there goes my theory. And you know, he had one of his amateur. fights, he was exhausted and so he vowed. to never be tired again. Yeah. He gassed. out in a fight and he's like, "Never. again." So, he just decided he was good. But it's also like um he was Italian. from immigrant u parents who barely.

could speak English. Yeah. And those. people who came over on the boat, they. were a different species, right? They're. a different species of hard workers. Those people were tough and they. demanded so much. Joey Diaz, immigrant. mentality. Immigrant mentality, [ __ ] Yeah. I mean, that's real. Immigrant mentality is a real thing. when you've come here from another. country and you you see how hard your. family works and there's just like. there's no ifands or buts. Mhm. I always. tell the story about this guy that I. used to train with that always used to.

make me feel lazy. Um my friend. Junksick, he was in his residency in. medical school while he was on the US. national team. So he was a national. taekwondo champion while he was going. through medical school. M. So he was. going to school 12 hours a day and still. training. And he would put his books in. his backpack and run stairs in between. studying. That's how he get in shape. sometimes. And then he would come to the. gym exhausted and [ __ ] everybody up. He. was amazing. And I was I remember.

thinking like I'm so lazy. Like I. thought and I wasn't lazy, but like. compared to that dude I was lazy. Yeah. How I just that's what fascinates me cuz. you know I've talked to Huberman about. Courtney in regard in this regard too. It's like willpower. Yeah. Like will. how what gives somebody more willpower. than another person? It's hard to say because according to. Gogggins he forged that and he has more. will than any human being that's ever.

walked the face of the planet. And he. used to be a lazy [ __ ] He'll tell you. He'll tell you I was lazy. I was fat. I. was 300 lbs. I drink milkshakes all day. Like he'll tell you like and then he. decided that that's not him anymore. And. then he decided it better than anybody. who ever has. So it's not like he had. some genetic gift of will. Yeah. That's. not the case. He forged it. And this, you know, Huberman talks about this. whatever that part that part of your. brain. Yeah. That you can grow. So is it. that that anybody can develop this. willpower? Well, I think Gogggins proves.

that because he's again he's he's the. goat. He's the goat when it comes to. like Will. And people don't know what. Gogggins was doing with Izzy. Gogggins. has two destroyed knees. Okay. I had. dinner with him in Vegas a few weeks. back and he showed me like some recent. X-rays of his knees cuz he got some. [ __ ] new thing in his knee to like to. keep his bones from [ __ ] smashing. into each other. Some post that they put. at the top of one of his knees cuz his. cartilage is missing and his [ __ ].

meniscus is blown out. And they saw the. top of his bone and shifted it down and. screwed it in place cuz his knee was all. out of alignment because he had been. running bone on bone so long that his. his bones were starting to it's like. called wolf something syndrome. And his. doctor said, "I've never seen it in a. human being before." Like this is. [ __ ] insane. Like how do how are you. walking on these knees? Forget about. running thousands of miles. Yeah. But he does it. He just does it.

right. And if that guy will tell you. that he didn't have any willpower and. that he was fat and lazy and then. decided that he's not gonna be that. anymore and then put himself through. grueling strength conditioning, became a. Navy Seal. Yeah. And. then look at he's laughing. I love. bringing him in. Come on in. Let's see. how much of a joke this is. And guess. what? I do this alone. Alone. I ain't. got nobody. That's where the [ __ ] comes. from. I ain't got nobody to push to this.

level. That's my darkness. That's why I. laugh at these [ __ ] You think. they [ __ ] know me. You think you know. me. Come into my dungeon. It's a lonely. dungeon cuz you don't want to do the. [ __ ] alone every day. Train this hard by. yourself. Come on, man. And this is You. see me breathing heavy. Imagine the. level I go to. Someone to call the police. Good job. I mean, how do you not admire. that? Look. Oh, he is psycho. He is. psycho. I love it. Yeah. Psycho. I said.

we joke around about, you know, because. he says it's so easy to be great. nowadays because everybody else is weak. That's what Gan says, right? Interesting. And it's like when you talk. about Yeah. We talk about generations. and you've mentioned it a million times. Good times create soft all that whole. thing. But I said, "Well, we got one. We. got TR it." So he we got the we got one. kid who's who's still getting it done. So Well, your son learned from you. I. mean, that's a great example of, you. know, he's grew up in an environment.

where his father was regularly running. these 100 mile races and regularly. running 13 miles in the morning before. work. Like, you were doing all that. stuff and you were setting an example. I. was going to show you something, too. And then he sees how far it takes you in. life. You know, you've gotten here by. just force of will. Yeah. And when when. I Trua sent me this today, so this is. his first half marathon. Can you see. that? Oh, wow. He's a little kid. Wow. But he still ran eight minute miles and.

that. That's incredible. As a little. kid, but anyway, that's like that's what. I was saying about when you start that. early with stuff like that. I get used. to it. Yeah. But then again, Gogggins, you know, tell you different or Rocky. Marciano will tell you different. Like. he didn't I don't think there's a hard. fast rule. Look at that. Look at you. guys. A that was his first marathon. there. That's so cute. But you there's. no hard fast rules. Like yes, it's.

definitely beneficial. Well, as far as. skill development, this is what I've. always said about striking in. particular. There's something about. learning striking while your body is. maturing and you're young is way better. than learning striking once you're an. adult. Cuz you said that with your with. your kick. Yeah. Because your body was. changing as you developed that kick and. mastered it. Exactly. I was kicking and. all kicks, you know. It's not like. that's the only one that I I'm really.

elite at. I I'm you know, I learned how. to kick when I was like a little gangly. little kid. And I learned like and then. my body grew strong. My tendons grew th. strong from hitting this 150 lb heavy. bag every day like as a little kid. Just. wap wap wap. And I basically lived in. the gym. So I was kicking that bag hours. every day. I was just constantly setting. it up and training. I was constantly. setting up moves until I got him like. where it's like instinctive. Like I.

didn't even know it was happening before. it happened. Like when I was in a fight, it would just come out. Like when you. see the opening, you're not even seeing. it. You're just moving. Yeah. It's like. it all goes into this. And the only way. that happens is just insane hours. Insane hours. Constant dedication. But a. but as your body was growing. Yes. And. you're putting that the stressors on it. and those those movements on it. Your. body adapted essentially. So it's like. if you're already mature, your body. wouldn't have adapted the same as it did.

because you're doing it at at the. perfect age. You can get really good if. you're a really good athlete and you. pick up striking later in life, but. you're not going to get Floyd Mayweather. good. I don't think. I've never seen it. Rocky Marciano even wasn't Floyd. Mayweather level. He was just a mer. He. would. just and he would never stop. He. couldn't hurt him. His endurance was. insane. The volume was insane, you know? He would just make guys rethink their. whole lives cuz you'd be like, "What the. [ __ ] man?" Like, "Fuck that guy. That.

guy's out there. I don't want that." You. know, like he just never stopped. But he. wasn't like Floyd was an a master. He. was a master in there. He would stand. right in front of you and you couldn't. hit him. stand stood right in front of. Canelo Alvarez and Canelo couldn't do. [ __ ] with him and Canelo Alvarez a world. champion, one of the best ever. He. couldn't do [ __ ] with Floyd. Yeah. I. mean, do you think that would be less. intimidating fighting somebody like that. because he didn't have that power like.

the knockout power and he also had. brittle hands like Floyd's broken his. hands multiple times. You knew you. weren't just going to get mauled. You. wouldn't get mugabied. Right. Right. You're g it's you're not gonna be able. to hit him and it's going to suck and be. frustrating. But but he doesn't hit like. Haggler. You're not going to be in a. pool of blood. Right. Right. Right. He's. not going to beat you down and stop you. Like the thing about Haggler was like. Haggler didn't mind getting hit cuz his. chin was iron. He didn't mind and he. wanted to smile at you when you hit him. One of the thing he said about Mugabi.

after the fight, they said it seemed. like Mugabi caught you with a big shot. He goes, "Oh yeah, I like when that. stuff happens. I like a good fight.". This is what he said after he knocked. him out. And like when when the ring. announcer was saying the winner and. still the undisputed middleweight. champion of the world, Haggler's like. saying it out loud to himself, the. undisputed middleweight champion of the. world. I mean, that's a guy that just. went through hell for months in the snow. at the Cape Cod and then he just beats. the scariest [ __ ] guy in the. division. And at that point in time,

this was before the Leonard fight, he. was talking about retiring. And you'd. have to know if you were a fighter in. his division or potentially going to. fight him and you saw that after a war. and then you see him acting like that, you're probably just like, bro, when he. knocked out Mugabi, it was an outdoor. fight and steam was coming off of his. head. Oh, I could just like when at the. end of the fight, see if you can go to. the the end of the fight when Mugabi. drops and they raise his hand and he's. celebrating. As he's celebrating and. walking around, steam is coming off of.

his head. Yeah, he was a monster. Those. those I don't know. I'm addicted to. these [ __ ] video viral clips cuz So. now I got two of them you just reminded. me of. There's one. Have you ever heard. of Bad Water? It's It's called Badwater. 135, I think. But it's a race in Death. Valley. Yes. Okay. So, so Gogggins did. that and it gets like 130 degrees where. you have to because it's on the highway. through Dead Death Valley, so you have. to run like on the white line so your.

your shoes don't melt. Oh my god. And. you wear kind of all white because it's. so hot. But he gets 130 degrees. So. Gogggins his first time doing that. He's. got, you know, his physical issues like. always, but he finishes. He gets third. place, I believe. They come up to him. and they're like, "So, how was what was. it like out there? How was the heat?". And he just was like sitting there just. in the in his chair like this and he. looks at the camera and he's just like. didn't. notice. Didn't notice it was 130.

degrees. That one is just I love that. one. But that's. that's real. What do you got there? What. was that? Jamie. Gogggins is described as one of the. toughest men on the planet. He's the. only man in history to complete elite. training. What? Why? Why is this? That's. terrible. So fast. Why do they have. music so much louder when someone's. talking? I hate that. I hate that. So. there's there's I didn't even notice it. Yeah, there's that one. Uh steam. This.

here's a haggler one. Okay. Look at the. steam. See the steam coming off his. head? Look at that. That's so insane. God, [ __ ] steam. What is it about. just people being shredded and just. weapons? Well, it's just inspirational, man. And it makes you want to go to the. gym. I mean, when I see Gogggins making. Izzy puke and break, it makes me want to. work out. I mean, when I talk to you, makes me want to work out when I know. that you're out there running 13 miles. when you were when you had your.

full-time job. Boy, did I try to talk. you out of that for so long. You did. You did. It's It's crazy. I tried to. talk you out of that job for years. I. was like, "Dude, you're wasting money. being there. I know you think it's a. good job, but you're wasting money." But. the point is like you were working out. so much while you had a full-time job. I. mean, most people just don't have that. kind of willpower. And when someone. does, it's like super inspirational to. everybody else. We feed off each other. Humans feed off of each other. When I.

see a guy like Gogggins or I watch a. Haggler video of him training, it's just. fuel, man. It just it just to me, it. just pumps my blood up. like [ __ ] I. want to go hit the bag, man. I want to. go work out like right now. Like I see. that and but that's I've always used. that as fuel as a positive. Always read. autobiographies of about fighters and. watched videos and and watched them talk. and just to me it's always like been.

it's like wood. Just throw it on the. fire. It's more fuel. It's like woo. without I mean but this is the craziest. thing about Gogggins. He ain't got nobody doing that for him. It's all in his own [ __ ] up head. Yeah. There there's another clip where. this guy they're doing, you know, they. do these big events, speaking events. And so he was sitting there and the guy. guy's like interviewing him. He's like, "So you you run for hours and hours, don't you?" And he just look again looks.

at him just like he's got masters this. delivery, but he just looks at him. He's. just like out, you know, something like. hours, days. He runs for days and days. So, not hours. What are you talking. about? [ __ ] hours. Days. Yeah. What. did he do like 99 100 mileer? Like, how. many 100 mileers has he done in his. life? Oh, he had the world record. He. did eight 100 mile races or like eight. consecutive weekends. So, it was. something like that, which.

normally, you know, you do a 100 miles, you're banged up for a while, I would. imagine. 100 miles is a lot. So, he's. doing them, I think it was eight. consecutive weekends. Yeah. Most people. can't even do eight marathons. Oh god, dude. Eight marathons. Yeah. Did. you ever see Eddie if No. Or excuse me, Eddie Isard. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shout. out to Eddie if um Eddie Izzard, uh the. comedian from the UK who likes to wear. women's clothes, he did this thing.

in sometime in the 2000s where he ran a. marathon every day and he had no. training. He wasn't in shape at all. He. just did it through sheer will. Yeah. And he I think he did it like 29 days in. a row. Like something insane like that. He did it twice. He did it twice. Okay. He's completed 43 marathons in 51 days. That's in 2009. And then Oh, it says she. See, this. thing about calling him she is he.

doesn't call himself she. He still. refers to himself as as Eddie. Yeah. And. he says I'm a he. And I like ladies. Um. I don't know why they're saying she. Unless he's changed things since or. she's changed. Well, whatever. Either. way, respect. Super cool person, too. Yeah. Yeah. Um, done two podcasts with. him, her, the them, whatever the [ __ ] it. is. I love him to death. But, uh, one of. them while he was on a treadmill like, yeah, he was a he at the time, so I was. allowed to say he at the time. I'm glad.

you're getting this all worked out cuz. when I want to tell these stories, I got. to figure out when he was he and she. And I think I did his podcast and he was. uh doing podcasts while he was on a. treadmill. Mhm. And he was running like. hundreds of miles. It's like, you know, but just through force of will. completed. Oh, it's her latest. endurance. Look at that. Eddie Isard. completes her late. Like, what are we. doing this time? 32 marathons in 31. days. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's uh it's so.

kooky. It Well, but I mean that's really. impressive, too, cuz this is a person. that's not in shape. like when they. started doing it, when he started doing. the first marathon when he ran all. around the UK and ran like a marathon a. day. There's a documentary about it and. the documentary is pretty incredible. because he's not in shape at all and. he's just breaking himself down and his. feet are falling apart. Like it's like. the bottoms of his feet are just raw.

It's just blood and tissues and they've. got gauze wrapped in between the toes. It's oozing. I mean, they're just. destroyed. I bet one day you had to take. a day off because it was that bad. You. think about it because that was one of. the questions. I did this podcast about. this Coca-Cola race coming up and they. said, you know, how many steps do you. think it'll take to finish a race? So, and that that just reminds me of um so. if it's 250 mi, it's gen my guess was. it's generally about 2,000 steps a mile.

So, 500,000 steps. But point is is. 500,000 steps on your feet, that's going. to cause some damage. Oh yeah. You know. what I mean? So part of this training. for big multi-day ultras on feet. Like I. because I was injured, I I couldn't. train like I normally train. So I'm. like, "Okay, I'm just going to go out. and spend time on my feet." And so I did. last week 150 miles, which was 22 miles. a day. But I couldn't run because I've.

been injured. So it was like I was. powerhiking and kind of a slow run. So. it took [ __ ] forever, but I'm just. like time on my feet. So I was out there. to do that. I was 37 hours of training. last year. So your foot must be getting. worse if that's the case. If you could. That was my hamstring. Oh yeah. So my. cuz I was in like the best shape I've. ever been in. Was supposed I was going. to go to Boston to get my best marathon. time. Everything was tracking good. Me. and True were training, running hard. He. was just like on one of his videos he's.

like my goal is to get in the 230s for. the marathon for him and he's like but. actually I think that should be your. goal because I can't keep up with you. I. was running so good and then tweak the. hamstrings. So now if I try to open up. and run like a six-minute mile it kind. of reagravates it. So, I've been trying. to be patient, not push it, but I needed. time on my feet was my point. Because. just as Eddie illustrated in that, if. your if your feet aren't toughened up,

that's that's your contact point. And. that's why you run with no socks on too, right? You want them to get kind of like. it's still it's still it's like that so. many steps on your body. Mhm. So there's. there's joints like there's this great. documentary that just came out out on. last year's Coca-Cola 250 and it's. called The Chase cuz they they went with. four like four guys. Is it right here? The Chase. Yeah. Yeah. And it's really. good. But the four guys they follow. here. Um Bro, that looks like hell.

Yeah. All those people in hell together. Yeah. So that's that's Yeah. photographer there. That's uh Mike. Mcnite right there. Um, all these. legends of 200s. Uh, I saw someone climbing a mountain. here. What? That's not part of it. What. is that? Is that part of it? Shut the. [ __ ] up. Is that part of it? That's in. the same country. But that's just one of. the key runners. That's what he does. during his runs. What? Yeah. During his. run tour? Yeah. Take a little break. He.

climbed He climbed all the way. He. climbs in the in the film. He climbs. this whole [ __ ] thing to the top. Oh. my god. And so people that are different. Yeah. They But the point is is like that's the. guy who he's climbing right there. What. an animal. Yeah. These guys are just. studs. But the but here's the thing. So. they had these guys. Jeff Browning right. there. Legend. He's won like 300 mile. races. That's Joe String Bean McConna. What's the guy's name that climbs? Uh.

that's Michael Ver Verstage is his name. I think it'll probably show there's. there's Mcnite. So it'll show him coming. up right there. That guy. Oh, he looks. like a psycho. No, he's just he just. That's That's He's got dead eyes. To me, that's ultra running. Like the dirt bag. ultrarunner. That's what I love about. it, right? I love guys like that. This. guy is like I don't know if he's Amish. or whatever. He's from Ohio, doesn't he? Live around mountains. Just a freak. So, you get these these people out there to.

race this 250 miles. You don't know what. the hell's going to happen. Every person. they just showed there did not win. Wow. A guy who they didn't show won because. so much crazy things can happen to your. body. And and you you don't you cannot. predict who 17year-old just finished. 12th. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. I didn't I didn't know that. That's in That's impressive. That's.

impressive. That kind of will for a. 17-year-old for sure. Oh my god, that. kid's going to be unstoppable. See, that. goes to show you like there are hard. people out there still, even in these. soft ass times. Yeah, there's hard. people out there. Yeah, there is. Yeah, like that. I think they showed they'd. done the through hike hike on the. Arizona Trail as a family, that kid who. who' done it and that was 800 miles is. the Arizona Trail. So, a through hike is. basically you're just on the trail just. as long as it takes. Oh, but that makes. you tough. Oh, yeah. Every day on your.

feet. That That's the thing. is like in. that movie, these guys are just battling. back and forth, passing each other, keeping track cuz you have the GPS. tracker. You remember when me and. Courtney did Moab? Mhm. So, people get. addicted to this tracking and right, you. know, my um I I know my brother just did. so like a month ago or maybe three weeks. ago was called the Arizona Monster 300. A 300 mile race. My brother just got. second. Wow. I was just tracking.

nonstop. That's incredible. 300 mile. race and he got second. How much did the. guy who won beat him by? Two hours. Jesus Christ. So he Guy guy who won got. 86 hours. Taylor got 88. That's so nuts. 88 hours is so crazy. Slept for four. That is so How long did. it take him to recover? Three and a half. days. I mean probably I'm sure he's not. recovered ever. It's been a few weeks. I.

mean, so nuts. What I've said before is. like those races, I mean, exercising is. good. That's good for you. Those not. good. Those aren't making you live. longer. No. Pushing your body that hard. No, it can't. I mean, it's it's like. you're on death. Yeah. I mean, you can. only run for so long before eventually. everything just breaks. The The cool. part is Courtney's doing this one. Oh, nice. She's back to the 200. She's a. [ __ ] animal, dude. Yeah. And you'd.

never guess. Eats candy. All silly, easy. to talk to, real fun. But somewhere in. that brain, there's some darkness. I. don't know. She can call upon. I've been. trying to find it. You know, she came. out. We we did I just released it on my. YouTube, but we did uh 3 hours or no, three days. We did 100 miles. Look at. her. She's eating McDonald's French. fries. So, this is a I know. I had Trace. bring us McDonald's cuz we we stayed at. Pisco for 12 hours and did uh 15. summits, 50 miles just up and down. Look.

at her just chilling eating fries. She. looks like an Instagram influencer. Yeah. You know, she doesn't look like. some psychopath that can run that far. No. So, yeah, we did this three days, 100 miles, and we did Is this a. McDonald's commercial? Basically, your. fries stuffed in your pockets. I know. the perfect fuel. Seed oils for runners. We need you need calories and salt. There's my brother right there, Taylor. That's who got third. Incredible. So, this is his race. But, uh, yeah, the.

point is is like we went so three days. and I'm, you know, this 41 miles down. this day. You get to the last day and. I'm [ __ ] beat up, dude. She. never never got tired. And I'm. like, she can do her run, her little run. at this like a 9minute mile pace. forever. That's so crazy. And I just. don't That's where I'm like, this. willpower, how does it work? Well, she.

famously went blind. Yeah. And kept. running and fell and cracked her [ __ ]. head and got up and kept running and. won. And won. Yeah. She's a maniac, but. it's like it's not like this angry. goggans like who's going to carry the. boats. Like a different kind of mental. strength. She's got her own thing, her. own formula. Yeah. I don't know if I. told you this, but uh so I was talking. to her about when you get in these ultra. races. I mean, it's it's pain is what. mostly stops you, right? It just hurts.

so bad to. run. So I said, she talks about the pain. cave. like she so she goes into the pain. cave and that's you know she welcomes. it. She's not shying away from the pain. and I said I go okay so and what do you. mean you're just like embracing the. pain? She's like no I'm I'm working in. there and so she's explaining she's got. this chisel and she's hitting the chisel. with a. hammer. And I said I said so you're not.

thinking about running? She's like no. She I'm thinking about hitting the. chisel. And she goes, "Rocks falling. down and piling up." I said, "So that. you're thinking about that, not running. She's not not running at all. She's. thinking about working." So she she. makes her brain think about making this. cave bigger. And I'm like, "Whoa." So uh. I said, "Is there like furniture and. [ __ ] in the cave?" She's like, "No." I. said, "Plato's cave." I said, "But is. it?" I said, "Is it the same cave every.

time, every race?" She says, "Yeah." And. I go, "But I said, ' Do you have like an. extra like a a wing for one specific. race? Is is you work on this wing of the. cave?" She's like, "Yeah, sometimes." So. she's in this cave thinking. about chiseling rock, making the cave. larger, making the cave larger. And and. just and just expanding the pain cave. And I was just like I was blown away. And she goes, "I feel like I need to.

stop talking about this because the more. I talk, the crazier I seem.". Well, I can't I kind of think you have. to be crazy to be great. I just I don't. think it comes to a normal person. I. don't I think there's got to be. something going on. I mean, me, for her, it's the pain cave, you know? For. Gogggins, it's who's going to carry the. boats? You don't know me, son. Like, whatever it is, like you got to be. crazy. And you have to decide like if. you want to beat Courtney in a 200 mile.

race, you got to decide for years. For. years, you have to chase that go. You're. not going to do it tomorrow. It's like. it's not going to happen. Like you're. going to have to build up for years, right, to be able to do that. Yeah. And. she's going to be building up along the. way, too. And so you probably never. catch her. I don't know. She looks, you. know, she's 40 now. Looks like better. than she's ever looked as far as like. performance. you know, she's I think. she's done one race this year, won it, broke the course record, and now she's. got this one coming up. So, I don't.

know. When she won the Moab, she won the. Moab 240, right? 240. Yeah. How far away. was she from the second place person? It's like eight or 10. hours and I asked her about that too cuz. cuz even that So, if if you said, "Oh, you got you're up by hours, right? You. just kind of Yeah. She pushed the whole. time. So that's what I That's what I I. am fascinated and I just want to know. why. Right. How? And what did she say?

She just wants to do the best she can. She just wants to see what she said. She's never racing anybody else. It's. always just how hard could she push. herself. That's interesting because that. kind of eliminates the ego. Yeah. Because instead of battling with. your ego, you're just trying to do your. best all the time. Your best. You're not. racing against anybody else. You're just. trying to do your best. A lot of people. say that, right? A lot of people say. that. I think she truly believes it,

right? I believe it. She believes it, too. And if you can just compete against. yourself, like again, back to Gogggins, he's not doing it for anything, right? There's not a thing that he's got going. No race coming up. No. A lot of people. have to have a goal to work towards. He. told me he's downloading information. I. Yeah. What does I don't know what that. means. That's his own pain cave. Like. he's downloading knowledge. So he's. still trying to get better is what it. sounds like to me. I don't He's trying.

to figure out like he's developing his. mind to be this unstoppable force, which. it clearly is. It's as close to an. unstoppable force as I've ever seen, especially when you consider the the. damage. If you go back to that Izzy. video, let's look at his stride. Because. here's the thing about Gogggins. One of. the things you see in his stride is if. you look at his knees, he's got giant. scars up both of his knees. His knees. are way more [ __ ] up than mine and I. don't run because my knees are [ __ ]. up. You did a 5K. I did once. No.

training at all. Um, but the the scars. are extraordinary. And when you see him. in real life, it's even scarier. And his. form is weird. Um, but if you go to the YouTube video, Freestyle Bender, right? Um, YouTube. Yeah. Okay. Izzy's got it. Izzy put the. whole thing up and when you see him. running, I mean, his pace is great, but. it it's weird like the way he's running.

because his knees are destroyed. Yeah. And I think that that just kind of. evolved or devolved, what, however you. want to say it, over time. He's just. doing what he has to do. You know what I. mean? Yeah. If you scooch ahead a little. bit, this is in the be. So here it is. him running. There's a profile that that. there's a sideways profile, but even. then it looks kind of odd. Like Izzy. looks sort of loose and relaxed. His. legs straighten out. David's legs never. straighten out. They always have a bend. to them at every step, you know, like.

like when you see him sideways, you. really get a chance to see it. Yeah. There's one part where you see him run. There it is. There it is. Right there. Right there. So, look. See how he's kind. of That's odd, right? Like, you're a. runner. You tell me. That's kind of odd, right? Um Well, I just don't know. He. might be just trying to stay with Izzy. because Izzy's going at a slower pace, which maybe if he was like maybe if. David was opened up, it'd be more. extended. I'm not sure. It's hard to say. because Izzy's obviously struggling. there. And also, they are going uphill.

when this is happening. Yeah. So, I. think David, it it could be tweaking his. form a little bit, but I mean, he must. be in agony. There's no way he's not in. agony if you know the extent of the. damage that he has on his knees. Mhm. And if you've seen the X-rays, we've. showed him on the podcast before with. all the [ __ ] screws and [ __ ] They. saw the top of his femur off or his. tibia off and shifted it to make it flat. again. Like, what? Yeah. He He showed me.

some crazy photos, too, of like his body. reacting just insanely to some of what. he's been putting it through. Yeah, of. course. Yeah. Well, he has to stretch. He told me he stretches for two and a. half hours every night. Yeah. Just. stretches. And that's changed a lot for. him, too. When you look at him and Izzy. running, I mean, David's 50. Mhm. They. don't look that much different as far as. like physically looks insane. Yeah. And. again, he's not breathing heavy at all. Wow. And that was one of multiple. workouts he does in a day. Yeah. That.

would break most human beings. I think. Izzy posted that that was David does. three three of those workouts a day. That's so crazy. Yeah. And he keeps. going. Yeah. By himself. That's why I. love him. All alone. Yeah. I mean, there's there's real boogeymen out. there, right? And with David, this is. all for his own personal growth or what. he likes to call downloading knowledge. whatever he's doing, it's that's for. him. It's his own battle that he does.

But just to know that there's a guy like. that out there, it pushes everybody. else, too. Like David existing in this. soft ass world that we live in today. raises the bar for literally everyone on. earth. That's everyone who hears about. him knows that there's a standard above. in which they have ever pushed. themselves above and beyond. And that's. Marvin Haggler. And that's Rocky. Marciano. There's there's these people. like that's Kabib. There's champions.

And what people do is they cultivate. their own little world without those. people. Oh yeah. They're like I I don't. know if I've heard you I think you like. you don't like knowing about certain men. don't like knowing that there's people. like that out there because then it's. just like [ __ ] They don't like they. don't like being held to a standard that. they can't match. Like they they don't. like being confronted by a he's. cheating. Oh, he's doing this. He's. probably on peptides. There's some. [ __ ] excuse. There's not a peptide in.

the world that makes you work out six. hours a day. It doesn't exist. No, it. doesn't exist. Yeah. I I think that I. mean, you have to be a crazy person and. you have to be willing to get yourself. into that place, that crazy place. What. was super cool was uh when TR was going. after the pull-ups, Gogggins was. checking in and he was just like all in. like, "You got to Okay, tell him to do. this. Tell him to do this." He's like, "Okay, write this down. Call me back." I. mean, he was so into it. Yeah. He's a. man. He's the man. I love him to death.

And I think he does a a great service to. the world. Even though he's doing it all. in silence, he's doing it all alone. You. get glimpses of it. You get enough to. know. And especially that video where. you see him with Izzy, like, "Oh, this. is real. This isn't a mythical person, you know? This isn't the grey man. This. is a real human being." Like, holy [ __ ]. man. Like there's people out there that. are just working harder than everybody. else and they'll they're going to keep.

doing it. Yeah. And that's their grind. You know, and those people are super. valuable. Those people are so valuable. The Marvin Hagglers of the world, the. Rocky Marcos of the world, like those. are very very valuable people. Yeah. Because they change everybody's. perspective of like what what's. possible, what to strive for, and what. it takes. Mhm. Like, do you really want. to be a champion? Why? Because you just. want to be cool. You want to be the. coolest guy on the block. Like that. You're not going to win. You're going to. find some [ __ ] psychopath who just.

lives it and it's it's their whole life. And if it's not your whole life, get. out. Get out. It's uh there's another. quote that I love something like uh. there's somebody out there training. every day and when you meet they will. win. Yeah. I mean, that's just a fact. Most people don't want to think about. those type of people. They like think. that they're they're like, "Oh, yeah. I'm I'm I'm working my ass off. I'm. doing more than anybody." Mhm.

They're ignoring a few people. Yeah. You. don't work more than anybody. That's not. real. Yeah. There's no way you do. There's one guy. He lives in Vegas. He's my friend. I know. I'm going to. tell you, I'll introduce you to him and. you just get nervous just being around. him. Yeah. He's He's on a different. level. He's the man. And that level that. he's on, like this thing that he's. doing, it's good for all of us. It just. people don't like it because they feel. weak. Like I I've compared myself to him. like Jesus Christ, I don't have that. kind of will. But if I was a type of. person that all I was was my hard work.

and my will, I would look at him and I. would feel inferior. And people do not. like that. And there's a lot of [ __ ]. ass men out there that don't like it. when guys are working harder than them. and they try to bring those people down. David takes all those [ __ ] people and. then he writes all the [ __ ] that they. said down and then he records it and. listens while he's running. Yeah. Like. he's he's one of one. Like you better.

shut the [ __ ] up. You're just going to. make him meaner. Yeah. He's going to. make him crazier. I love that. What's. that? The challenge. nowadays is who's real and who isn't, right? Because there's people that say. things just like David says, but they're. not really doing it that well. They're. not doing it that well. They're not him. No, they're not him. It's an act. It. gives them this social currency in. today's world. So that's the hard part. is like who's who's real who isn't. And.

they might be working harder than most. people. Not everybody. Even not. everybody. No, there's people out there. that are just and you can't, you know, you can't because there's not only so. many hours in a day and there's only so. much time you can do. Yeah. You know, I've never done anything like that. before. But what I did do when we had. that sober October challenge with uh Tom. and Bert and Ari is uh I went kind of. crazy. Yeah. And lost my mind my mind. I. was doing seven hours of cardio a day. cuz I wanted Bert Chryser to die cuz.

Bert really thought he was going to win. So, I watched John Wick like 50 times in. a row. Did you do seven a day? Oh, yeah. I was doing seven hours a day. Yeah. I. was I was trying to kill him. I was. literally trying to kill him. I was. running hills. Then he dies. I was like, he's talking. [ __ ] He was talking [ __ ] He was like, "That's Bert." Like, Bert will tell you. he can do the splits. I'm like, "Okay, do the splits. He can't do the splits.". Like, he'll tell you he could beat you. in push-ups. Okay, he can't beat you in. push-ups, but he'll always say it. Which. is fine. But there was something about.

that competition where we we were all. kind of going crazy. We all decided to. never do that again cuz at the end of. the month we're like that was bad for. your family, bad for your kids never saw. me. I was like daddy's [ __ ] screaming. in the gym all day. I set off the fire. alarm cuz I sweat so much in the gym. that the fire alarm went off. That's. pushing it. Puddles around me. Puddles. Just puddles. I was just drinking water. and soda. I was drinking like uh like. like cream sodas because I want I needed.

sugar. Yeah. I just felt that's what I. wanted. I wanted soda. So, I was. drinking like sugary sodas and just. running like a [ __ ] maniac. And at. the end of it, I was like, I can't I. can't do that's a part of my brain I. don't like. That part was like the part. that made me very good at fighting. And. it like ignited again. And I was like, woo, it's still in there. Like Jesus, it's been a while and it's still there. It's been a while. I kind of got. stronger. It was like more you like like.

wanted to stay back, you know? It's like. you want you want to start doing other. things. You want to start running and. doing races and start like, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you're busy. Let's. not get crazy." Do you think it's um do. you think it's the measurables that have. changed things? Like because Sure. because our watches tell us everything, right? So you get a those numbers, you. want those numbers to go up. Yeah. They. say that that's a thing like with like. those Fitbits and all these different. wearables like people say that they.

they're people are getting addicted to. those the same way they're getting. addicted to social media. So we were. doing everything through the Myzones. chest strap. It's a heart rate monitor. and it was basically giving you a. certain amount of points for having your. uh heart rate above like 140 and then. even more points if it gets above like. 180 like when you're in the red. And so. you would just try to clock as many. points as you could for a day and had to. so you had to push hard to get those.

points. Exactly. Yeah. You have to be, you know, you're in the yellow like the. 140s for hours and hours. Yeah. Here's. what like my heart rate is so low. If me. and True going on a run, we did a 20-mi. run here a few months ago. His was in. the 20-mi run we ran like 618s. His was. 157 and mine was 139 or 140. Wow. So, I. have a hard time getting my heart high. That's crazy. Well, that's insane. fitness. I would like to see what.

David's is. Yeah. Like, but he ain't. wearing no [ __ ] heart rate monitor. No, that's not his style. But yeah, so. when you talked about that had your. heart rate had to be high to get these. points. I'd be like, I'd be [ __ ]. Well, Brighgam says that he competes. with Tim Kennedy and he's like, "Tim. Kennedy doesn't even know I'm competing. with him because he can find because Tim. Kennedy's wearable numbers are posted on. the Myzones thing." Like that's the. thing about Myones that was interesting. is like you could compete with and even. when we were doing sober October and we.

were like torturing ourselves, we still. weren't in the top 10 in the country. There were still people out there for no. [ __ ] reason other than being a. psycho. people you've never heard of in. Nebraska somewhere or wherever that are. working harder than us. Yeah. And. they're not even competing for anything. This is just what they do and they're. putting in crazier numbers than we were. and they probably do it every month. Yeah. That's nuts. That is nuts. Yeah. So Tim Kennedy's one of those. He's like. he's always like posting these crazy. numbers and Brigham tries to compete.

with him and like when he finds Tim's. numbers like that's why he spends like. two hours a day in doing Muay Thai. He's. competing with these numbers. Oh, I see. Yeah. See, Strava is sort of like that. Runners use Strava. I'm not on it, but. that that gets posted publicly so. everybody can see the pace, the climb, the hours. Well, if you're competitive, it's great for everybody because it just. raises that bar. Imagine if you could. see Rocky Marciano Strava numbers in. 1951. People would be like, "What the.

fuck?" I know. I would love that. Everybody else would be like, "Well, that was the thing with the Haggler and. Mugabi fight. Like Marvin broke him. He. couldn't keep up with Marvin. Marvin. kept hitting him, ripping to the body, slowly but surely, breaking him down, but his endurance was just so strong. At. the end, Mugabi was just like a he was. wobbly. Like you see when guys like when. you see it in a fight in MMA, you see it. a lot. Their technique doesn't look. crisp anymore. Their head's moving too. much. Their their core is not stabiliz.

They're constantly recorrecting. They're. not like rock when the beginning of the. fight everybody is rock solid. Everybody's move in the end there's like. a laxity to the movement. You see the. fatigue set in there's like these. telltale things and Marvin didn't have. that. There was no there's no laxity. It's like the storm's coming like you. know being across from somebody like. that terrifying must just be the worst. The wor they never get tired. Yeah. There's a famous moment in when Khabib. fought Edson Barbosa where Edson has.

this thousandy stare cuz Kabib took him. down again and he's beating him up and. you realize like Edson's like this is. never going to end. I cannot get out of. this. I'm never going to I'm never going. to get this guy off me. I can't stop him. from taking me down and he's just. mauling me. Every time he takes me down, he's just punching my [ __ ] face in. And that's how Connor felt when he was. fighting Kabib, too. At the end, he's. just just like tapped like, "Fuck it. It's over." Yeah. I mean, it's got that.

fatigue makes cowards of us all. True. It's got to be the most accurate quote. of all time. And the only way to develop. that kind of endurance is through insane. work. Insane work. Just insane volume. And then constant consistency, constant. volume, discipline, intensity, neverending go, go where your body just. has to keep up. Yeah. You know, or it. doesn't and it breaks. And then.

eventually you get like Kane Velasquez. towards the end of his career. His. shoulders were getting [ __ ] up, his. knee was [ __ ] up, his back was [ __ ]. up. Like after a while, he was too. mentally tough for his own physical. form. His body just couldn't tolerate it. anymore. Yeah. I wonder what the limit. is nowadays cuz we talk about back then. and we talk about how it's changed. because you said something talking about. I think Sunny Lon talking about when he. was 38 that was a different 38 than now.

Joe Lewis. Yeah. Oh. Okay. So. nowadays what what is what are people. capable of? Because when you talk about. the nutrition, the science, the you know. it's who knows cuz you said you said. something like your body will break if. you push this a certain amount or Yeah. I think there's a difference between. endurance activities and combat sports. and there's something about combat.

sports that it's fractions of a second. you miss. So, there's only been a very. few fighters that fight at an elite. level deep into their 40s. The best. example is Bernard Hopkins. Bernard. Hopkins fought at a world championship. level when he was 48, 49 years old. He. was different cuz he was first of all in. very intelligent, never got out of. shape, never cheated on his diet, never. partied, never drank, never smoked,

never got fat, always trained, always. always in shape. and also very. intelligent with his boxing. Was super. defensively responsible. Never. He. didn't fight like Haggler where he just. weighed himself into the fire, try to. break guys. Bernard was using like. clever boxing and really good defense. Defense was number one. You didn't have. to like his fights. You like some of. them in the beginning people thought it. was boring because he would hold on to. guys and he wouldn't let the guys hit. him then. But but he won fights and he.

didn't take a lot of damage and so he. was able to do it deep in their 40s. But. most. people by the time you're. 37, that's usually when the wheels start. to fall off if you're natural. If you're. natural. The thing about today is with. boxing, especially in the off season, no. one can stop you from doing peptides and. growth hormone and testosterone. replacement. No one can stop you as long. as you're not getting VA tested. And.

that usually generally they do that. during camp. And as long as you're not. getting randomly tested like you saw. they used to do with the UFC where they. just show up at your door. If you just. get weighed in and then the the state. athletic commission drug test you like. in Nevada that's a intelligence test. Yeah. Right. You know that's there's. that's how certain guys were able to. like maintain their power going up in. weight class multiple divisions. Like. for sure there's some Mexican. supplements involved in that. For sure. Yeah. And then that's different. So, if.

you're doing peptides and hormone. replacement and all that, then you're. extending your athletic career deep deep. deep into your 30s and maybe even into. your 40s. But combat sports are just a. different animal. Yeah. It's different. than just running. Like you're getting. hit and like your ability to hit back is. based on your ability to absorb. punishment. And you can only you only. have so many times that ticket can get. punched before your chin goes before you.

know you can't take it anymore. Yeah. So. it's like for fighters it's very rare. that a guy can perform at the highest. level like in the late 30s and Randy. Couture he he did it he didn't even. start his career till I think he was 34. or 35 as an MMA fighter. Yeah. No and he. went late beat Tim Silvia in his 40s. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so what's your what's. your training like nowadays because. you're shredded? I'm doing a lot of uh a. lot of kettle bells still always, you.

know, I'm doing that regularly. I'm. doing a lot of rocking, too. Getting. ready for elk season. I've been doing um. a lot of uh I I walk hills. There's a. big hill in my yard that I I like to. walk to with uh farmers carries and. [ __ ] Yeah. There's that Tom Havalan guy that I've. been following a lot from Australia and. like one of the things that he does like. he carries stuff and so I'll carry heavy. [ __ ] and walk around the gym with it. There you go. I think there's something. to that, man. Really like for overall.

strength. Yeah. But I've been doing, you. know, staying with a lot of the body. weight stuff that I do. I do a lot of. that stuff with a weighted vest, too. A. lot of chin-ups and dips and pull-ups. and L's L uh L pull-ups. You know where. you do like you hold the tight and then. lift the legs out. Yeah. I'm doing a lot. of those leg lifts too where you're. hanging and just with a straight body. and then lift your legs, you know, hinge. at the hips, lift your toes all the way. up to the top of the bar and then slowly. drop them down and up and that. Doing a.

lot of that, too. And just mixing that. up with bag work and all the different. different things that I always like to. do. But I've been super consistent. I've. been real consistent. Going to be ready. for elk season. [ __ ] yeah. I'm excited. I'm already excited. How many elk hunts? I have two. One with you and one with. Evan. You know, that's generally what I. do. But I I have uh a lot of. opportunities around Texas for pig. hunts. Yeah. Which is nice because uh. people are begging you to hunt pigs.

Yeah. They're tearing up the land here. They just get, you know, like I got a. text from a friend of mine the other day. who's a movie producer and he's like, "Please come to my ranch and kill some. of these pigs. They're just everywhere. Uh, sounds fun. Yeah, because they're. they have to kill them. I mean, there's. there's millions of them in Texas, and. I'm not exaggerating. Oh, and they're. Yeah, they just reproduce so quickly. Yeah. So, the good thing about that is. it really gets you tightened up for elk. season, you know, really get a lot of. targets in. Mhm. You know, bow shooting.

good and get some good sausage. Yeah. Bow shooting great, man. Yeah, B is. shooting great. Archery country. Archery. country. What's going on there? You and. me are part of the owners now. Oh yeah. Is that Is that public now? It is now. Um Yeah. That's exciting, isn't it? It. is. We're business partners, buddy. I. know. That's fun. Yeah. And Evan and and. and then Tyler's the man. So, it's cool. Everybody together. Pretty exciting. Really fun. Yeah. We got big plans to do. something really cool with uh a place.

here in Austin. That's exciting. Yeah. Yeah. A lot going on. There's a lot. happening. Archery is so much fun. Oh, the best, dude. I just I just got this. set up. I just love shooting bows. You. got another one? Yeah, this is Why'd you. get a different one? Well, I had to get. it in the Sitka. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Oo, that does look good. So, we had the. origin on that. Is this uh 80? Yeah. Yeah, it's a good looking bow. Yeah. But. yeah, so some changes had to get in.

Sitka and we're Yeah, we're rocking. Oh, yeah. I got a So, you said true. It ran. in origin jeans, which No, it didn't. Not true. I thought he did. Yeah, he's. running in what what's the company that. he uses? It's called the Perfect Gene. Oh, I saw Jesse Michaels was uh repping. those too in one of his YouTube videos. Yeah. Anyway, so Origin liked you call. your call out though, so that was good. There it is. Yeah, there's a there's a. perfect jean. Yeah. Well, there's a lot. of people that make these great stretchy. jeans now. Revtown makes a great pair.

Barbell makes a great pair. Yeah. But. that he's so jacked for a guy who runs. like that kind of time. Sub three-hour. marathon. Nobody looks like him that's. running those. Look how jacked he is. Yeah. He's down to uh he just did. Eugene. So he set he got his fastest. time ever in Boston on Monday. Look at. that. No one's jacked like that doing. [ __ ] marathons and then also gets the. world record in pull-ups. Yeah. And then. he just beat that time six days later in.

Eugene. That's exact. He did in so you. normally under three hours as fast. He. did Eugene in 234. He came in seventh place in the Austin. Marathon and doesn't look anything like. anybody else that's running. They all. everybody else looks like popsicle. sticks. Yeah. I mean part part of it is. like I told him when he was like that. little guy. I said, "Hey, running's your. thing. Just so you. know, running is going to take you." and.

he hated I used to because I'd made the. kids run. So you make a kid do. something, they're going to hate it, right? So he kind of halfass effort all. through high school. Did pretty good. Was like all conference as a freshman, but that was as hard as he ever kind of. worked. Um he just wanted to lift and he. hated running. So I told him, I said, "If you if you work hard, you could run. in college. I mean, for sure." And he's. like, "I don't want to run for four more. years." He's like so so done with.

running. So finally now now he has this. goal of running under a 230 marathon. So. that's in the 220s which is [ __ ]. fast. And uh what's like a world record? Oh down two hours. Two hours. Right. Right over like when did that become the. world record? Like what did it used to. be like? What was like the world record. in like 199? He did it again. Truid. Haynes lost a marathon 238. Right. He. just beat that on Sun Sunday in in. Eugene. Nuts. Yeah. But uh Yeah. So he.

his So his lowest time is what now? 2:34. But he'll get and there's there's. Tanner right there. So Tanner did the. Eugene Marathon in the middle at the. bottom. That's my oldest son. Wow. With. 35 pounds. What? Yeah. So he and in. combat boots, him and his buddy Jake. That's so crazy. They both wore these. big packs and still ran it in in the. force. Wow. Yeah. So that's with combat. boots. That's [ __ ] nuts. So these. guys truce wearing jeans in a in a wife.

beater. Tru Tanner's in a pack and. hunting in combat boots. Hilarious. I. wonder how like the normies view that. I. wonder if that bothers them. All those. dorks. No, the elite runners hate people. like Truit. like the they call them like. run. influencers because part of it is the. elites work so hard. They're so good. and the follow it's hard to get a. following when you're just a runner. So.

they see this guy and they're like they. can beat him and cuz they're world class. going to the Olympics. So Truit isn't. there yet, but they're like this [ __ ]. jack dork is running and getting all. this. There's articles on them. everywhere. And so that's why it's it's. kind of the gatekeeping thing. Well, that's funny cuz then the haters work. for him because it's unbelievably. impressive. It's impressive. I don't. give a [ __ ] what you say. Oh, I don't. like these people. They're the run.

influencers. Come on, man. The guy has. the world chinup record. He's obviously. a freak. Yeah, he's obviously doing. something that's very, very. extraordinary. And if you don't want. that, because it's for us, it's only for. us. Yeah. Yeah. You're supposed to be skinny. [ __ ] off. Yeah, they they don't. So, Truit and Eugene got 25th place. I mean, Eugene is like the running capital of.

the world, but um the times have changed. over the last 100 years. Interesting. So. in 1908 it was 2 hours and 55 minutes. So in 1908 Truit would have the world. record. In 1956 it's down to 2 hours and. 17 minutes. 50 years later 2003 2 hours. and 4 minutes and then 2018 2 hours and. 1 minute. So between 3 and 18 in 15. years they only lost 3 minutes. Isn't. that wild? Yeah. I mean you get to the. you're just not going to get those big. gains after Right. I mean, someone would.

have to be a [ __ ] freak to drop under. two hours, right? So, they they did this. with I think he got under two hours. here. Wow. And he had all these pacers. and people breaking the wind for him. See? Oh, I think it's Kipchig. Yeah, he's like in white. So, that doesn't. count as much. Well, someone's breaking. the wind for you, right? You can't have. official pacers just if you're not. racing them. Oh, there were pacers for. him on this. This was challenge. Yeah,

just to do that. This is the Inos uh. pace challenge. So, Inos is that company. that makes that Grenadier. Have you seen. that truck? No. It's kind of a funny. story. Inos is like a chemical company. and the guy loved um Range Rover uh Land. Cruiser Defenders. Okay. And uh wanted. to remake them when they stopped making. them. They said no. He's like tried to. buy their factory. They're like no. So, he's like okay, I'll make my own. So, I. basically made a better Defender.

So, this is these are new trucks that. are way more durable, way better quality. than those. Like, if you get one of. those classic Defenders, they look cool, but it's when you shut the door on them, it feels like you're closing a garbage. can. Oh, I see. They They feel like. junk. They feel like These things are. tanks. These are built, huh? They're. Well, they're built specifically for. off-roading. Oh, I see. But it's a brand. new truck. M instead. I never heard of. them. Right. I know. It looks like a. classic Defender, but it's actually way.

better. Way better. Like I I've saw one. in the flesh. I was like, "Oh, this. thing is super legit." Like heavier. gauge steel, like really tight. tolerances. And I've watched a bunch of. videos on them. They're all outfitted. like you could take one of those hunting. for sure. They're outfitted with. electricity like in the back. They're. all set up where you could put like. coolers back there like a like a little. refrigerator and Sick. Yeah. And they're. all they're literally from the factory.

set up for outdoors. Like you don't have. to do nothing to them. You could take. them do MOAB with them. Take them out. into the [ __ ] the woods and go. You. can still have Hennessy like sweet them. up a little bit. Yeah. It doesn't have. nearly the kind of horsepower that you. know like a Raptor has or anything like. that. It's like I think they only have. like 300 horsepower or 28 which is not a. lot but the it's the durability of the. things and like the purpose built this. guy just but so that's the same company.

Inos that okay that's the who's that. pace challenge that race. Yeah that's. that's what that company is. Yeah. So. that on that the goal was to try to. break two hours in that race. So he did. he got down to 159 but with pacers. Yeah. So it's possible for someone to do. that without a pacer. That's what it kind of showed. Seems. like it. Yeah, that's so crazy. It's. Yeah, it's super fast. That's so crazy. Super fast. Yeah, it's like what what. won Eugene was 217. So still like what.

was the world record back in what was. that the 50s? Yeah, that's what won. Eugene still. So that that'll still win. most marathons. Yeah. But [ __ ] Yeah, it's flying. And the amount of work you. have to do to get to that fast, that's. what I do. I do sympathize with the. prorunners because the the work you have. to put in to be elite. Whatever. You get what you deserve. This. is what you get in life. What you. deserve. Yeah. Hey, throw some jeans on.

if you don't like it. Yeah. You don't. like the fact that he's getting. attention cuz he's a handsome guy who's. jacked. He's wearing jeans. [ __ ] off. Do. you think Courtney cares about that? No. Right. Do you think she would be. focusing on other people? That's people. that want more than they're getting. What about me? I'm winning. No one. cares. Yeah. Well, we we have gatekeepers in hunting, too. I don't know if you knew that. Yeah. Allegedly, there's gatekeepers in.

everything. There's Well, there's always. people that compare themselves to other. people and then they don't like what. they find, so they try to find flaws in. that other person. Yeah, that's what it. is, you know? There's there's just but. there's that with literature, film. making, music, comedy. Yeah. Fill in the. blanks. There's always [ __ ] There's. always [ __ ] out there. And what do. [ __ ] do? They [ __ ] They [ __ ] about. everything. Yeah. Sub 230 marathon in. 2025 or die.

Yeah. So that he's going to get it. I. mean, there's no there's no doubt he's. going to get it. He he broke the world. pull-up record. did 10,000 pull-ups in. 24 hours. That's nuts. And so people are. saying like, "Oh, peeds or EP." It's. like we were we were at breakfast after. the marathon. I'm like, "I don't even. know what the [ __ ] EPO stands for." Do. you? Um, I don't know, but I know what. it does. Well, it's supposed to make. more red blood cells, right? Yeah. That's what you know, a lot of the tour.

to France people were. doing EP. That's as much as I know about. that. So I'm like I we were at breakfast. and I'm like do you think somebody in. [ __ ] Springfield, Oregon has EPO? What are you guys talking about? You. could get it. Um but I don't think he's. on it. But the the thing is like. fighters have been popped for it. EPO is. real. Yeah. I think that's actually what. um TJ Dillashaw got popped for. Oh, is. that? Yes. When TJ Dillshaw fought Henry. Cejudo when he got all the way down to. flyweight. The thing about that though.

is I understand why TJ did that because. TJ was literally starving himself. Oh, he's trying to get to 125. Yes. Starving. himself to death. Cuz he would have to. cut a lot of weight to make 135. So, he. had this idea that he was going to. become a two division champion and drop. down to 25. And he was just a dead man. He had nothing left. And it probably. shortened his career. It really probably. did because he looked like hell. And. then Henry Cejudo took him out in the.

first round. You know, when you put So. this I'm not trying to compare me at. all, but I was losing weight trying. intentionally trying to get lighter for. these races coming up. So I was my my. same theory of burning 4,000 eating. 3,000. So a thousand calorie deficit a. day, which is fine for regular life, but. when you're put I was also running 100. miles a week. That's what my ham my body.

just wasn't getting what it needed, but. I was still trying to push hard, right? That's why I got injured. What do you. What did you want your goal weight to. be? 55. So at 155 then you feel like. it's easier to run. What's the most. you've ever weighed and run like a 100. mileer? Oh, probably like 80. 180. What was that. like? It was hard. Yeah, because I think. about that a lot of times when I'm. wearing my weight vest because uh I have. one of those outdoorsman's packs. So, it's got the post on the back and I I.

put a 45 lb plate on it and so the the. the pack probably weighs like 5 lbs and. then the plates so it's 50 lbs. That's. like a normal thing that people have to. lose. Yeah. It's a normal thing. Yeah. And uh I'm walking up hills with this. thing on. I'm like, "This sucks. This. sucks. And this isn't even that heavy. Yeah. And and some people they have to. lose 100 pounds. Like what is what do. your joints feel like, man? Because it. hurts my feet. Yeah. I mean, you saw. Jelly Rolls lost like 200 now. I know. I. know. 200B. He threw his phone away. He.

threw his phone away. Did he get it. back? I think he got it back. Oh, no. I've been seeing some social media. posts. Well, I think he's got a guy who. does that. Oh, yeah. Because I reached. out to him and it it came up green. I. was like, hm, that's weird. And so then. I reached out to him on uh Instagram and. his social media guy says I'll get this. message to Jelly Roll. But he got rid of. his phone cuz he had the same phone. forever and you know years of drinking. in bars and giving out his number cuz. he's so nice. He gave out his number to.

everybody and apparently everybody is. just blowing his phone up all day long. and he's a superstar now and it's just. like overwhelming and I think like a lot. of people he was dealing with social. media addiction I'm sure you know and. then he's on this path to lose weight. and get healthy and so he just decided. chuck that phone away [ __ ] these phones. phone good move I mean he looks so good. right now he looks great he looks he's. the opposite of Bert he's the nicest. [ __ ] guy ever He's not the opposite.

of Bert. They're going to meet in the. middle. He's still got some ways to go. Bert. Bert will get He'll be back on I and I. do have to give Bert props. He is. strong. Oh, he's strong. Yeah, he's. strong. So, he uh he benched a lot. He. beat me in benching. Did he really? Yeah. What did he bench? He did like 225. like 13 time 10 times, something like. that. Damn, that's impressive. Cuz back. in the sober October days when they were. talking about when he had that.

challenge, he couldn't do it once. Really? Yeah. He couldn't do 225 once. cuz we all had like this little contest. like who can do 225 and he couldn't do. it at all. He's on pe. Yeah, he is for. sure. He's definitely on testosterone. No, he's strong. But he's he works hard. and he I I He just drinks hard, too. I. think I I heard him say on here that he. did pull back my my 80 lb bow. Did he? Yeah. That's impressive. I know. I'm. telling you, he's pretty strong. Cuz you. know who couldn't pull back my bow? Alexander Gustiffson. Really? He fought.

in the UFC at 205. Yeah. He's huge. Yeah. He couldn't pull a bow back. Pulling a bow. He's like, "Is there a. trick to this?" I go, "No, here's the. trick." Just pull that [ __ ] back. Pull. that [ __ ] back. You just I do it a 100. times a day. It's Yeah. I mean, if. people haven't done it, it's tough. I. started incorporating, and this is. probably a good thing for everybody who. shoots archery a lot to do. I started. incorporating what you told me, which. was cable rows, standing up while. holding a 10 pound weight. Yeah. And it. m it's making a world of difference. because I was developing a pretty severe.

imbalance. And then uh by being a. meatthead, I was pushing through this. tendon pain that I was developing on my. right lower side from just stabilizing. and holding this 85 lb bow all these. reps only one way. And it's like that's. not smart, right? So, I started. switching it over. However many times I. pull the bow back with my right arm, I'll do that same amount with cable rows. while holding this 10 pound weight down.

And it's made all the difference in the. world because now I have tendon problems. on my left side, too. So, it balances it. out. Perfect. Not really. It's not. But I do. feel like a lot of soreness on that side. when I do these long sessions. I'm. hitting it. You're hitting it at least. And then I'm doing a lot of back. extensions. And here's the big one. That. reverse hyper. You know, I've talked. about that machine before. That machine. is a goddamn lifecher. But dude, you. have everything here. It's nice. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah. I have to go like four.

different places to get everything you. have here. Yeah, the gym is pretty. sweet. It's It's set up real nice. That. reverse hyper is so big though because. it pulls the back. It like it's. decompressing on the down swing. And you. know, when you stack the weight on. there, I like to get about so I have uh. two 45s on each side and lately I've. been sticking an additional 25 on each. side. So, a lot of weight. Yeah. So, you're doing this swing up so it. strengthens the hamstrings and the lower. back muscles. And then on a swing down,

it's like pulling it like stretching it. out. And then I like to do that Dex. machine where you hang from your your. hips, you swing down, and you're just. decompressing the back. Yep. And I've. been doing deep stretches in the sauna. every day. Every day. Instead of just. sitting in the sauna for 25 minutes, now. I'm doing like heavy stretches. It's. [ __ ] so hard to do when it's 195 in. there. You do you do the water? No. That.

[ __ ] water. You got to do the steam, dude. It's so hot in there, dude. I do. it. Same thing. But you got to do Are. you stretching? No. You don't even. stretching. That's why you blew out your. hamstring. Do you do push-ups in there. sometimes? But I want to get an exercise bike in. there. I know people. There's a Mine is. too narrow. That's a a sauna that's set. up that way. Like it's called a fit. sauna or something like that. Lar. Hamilton has a a air dye bike in his and. he's got oven mitts. He puts oven mitts.

on and rides the air with oven. That'd. be sick, dude. Would be sick. Yeah. I. love doing the sauna then riding to the. cold plunge. Yeah. It's nice. Is nice. That's my I do I'm almost always doing. the cold plunge first. That's that's the. beginning of the workout is cold plunge. and then this whole body weight thing. that I do just to warm back up. 100. push-ups, 100 sit-ups, and now I added. 100 uh kettle bell swings. Okay. So, I. do three sets of 20, three sets of 20, three sets or five sets of 20, five sets. of 20, five sets of 20, but I do them.

like one, two, three. So, I do like. first push-ups, then body weights got, and then I do five, five cycles. So, it's hundred of everything. And then by. that time I'm warmed up. It's like 15 20. minutes. 500 reps or or how many. movements? Three movements. 100 each. 300 reps. So 300 uh three, you know, 100. swings, 100 push-ups, 100 body weight. squats. And then did I hear no drinking. anymore? No drinking for like two plus. months now. Yeah. I'm never going back.

I mean, I will maybe I'll have a glass. of wine somewhere if I feel like it. Like I'm not an alcoholic, but uh I feel. stupid for waiting this long. Yeah. Cuz. like I would have these days like cuz. you know I have a nightclub, I have a. bar, we go to the club, we do some. shows, have a couple of cocktails with. the boys, have a bunch of laughs, do a. podcast, have some whiskey, have some. laughs. And then the next day like Yeah. And I'd be going through my workouts. going, "Oh, you [ __ ] [ __ ] What have. you done?" Yeah. and you know and I'd.

you know do the hyperbaric and drink a. lot of electrolytes and try to flush it. out. But if you're concentrating on. improving your health and your fitness, why are you poisoning yourself? Yeah. Sabotaging yourself. But you also start. thinking, well, that's the only way to. have fun. You have to have fun, too. But. no, it's not changing my fun. Gogggins. doesn't have fun. Well, he's different. He's not having fun. He's not trying to. have fun. I'm trying to have fun. Like. part of my job is fun. Like I want like.

part fun is a prerequisite. Like as a. comedian like you have to be having fun. Yeah. It's part of the fun of comedy is. like enjoying it. You enjoy it. They. enjoy it. Everybody enjoy. It's fun. And. so I thought like maybe it would be less. fun if I was sober. It's not. It's not. any less fun sober. It's just as fun. And it's just I feel better. And this is. the one of the things that I've always. tried to to tell all these comedians. And you know, I I bring a bunch of them. in here and work out with them. And we.

we have these comedian workout sessions. that we we're doing. And you know, Shane. comes in here all the time and works out. on his own. So does Derek and and Assan. and all these guys from the club. But if. you have more energy, you will have more. energy on stage. If you have more. energy, you could do more shows. You. could do multiple shows a night. You. don't get fatigued. Like it it carries. over into comedy. Yeah. Like your body. and your brain are inexurably connected. If your body functions better, your. brain will function better. It's like.

it's not rocket science. It's real. simple. It's just nobody wants to do it. because everybody you can look you can. be the best comedian ever and never lift. a weight and never work out. But if the. best comedian ever did that, too, I bet. they would be better. Yeah. I bet they'd. be better at everything in life. I would. think. Yeah. It doesn't mean that like. the best person has to do that otherwise. you won't be the best person. No. It. could be someone who's just so funny, it. doesn't matter. They could be fat as. [ __ ] and be hilarious and barely walk, you know, and just be so funny just.

because they're just gifted and they put. a lot of time into comedy. But if they. were healthier, they'd feel better. They'd enjoy life more and they'd. probably be better at everything they. do, not just comedy. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. I just I I mean on a different. level it's like when I was trying to. lose that weight to get lighter I came. here the last time I saw you we saw you. at weighs too well but I try to do. everything perfect but just being on the. road traveling to Texas and going back I.

could not get my body weight back down. for like four days. Wow. From And it's. not like I was drinking or eating donuts. just Yeah. just, you know, you go to. that that steak place at uh the hotel. I'm staying at. Really good. Remember. those big steaks we had? Yeah. And I'm. like eating this meat going, "How much. [ __ ] sugar is on this thing?" I mean, there's got They put brown sugar on it. That's why it tastes so good. Which. place is that? You ate there. Which. place is that? You, Evan, and Tyler. It's at Omni. Barton Creek Omni, right?

Oh, Bob's Bobs. No, this they don't put. sugar on their steak. Something is on. there. Well, you're eating that carrot. That carrot seems to be glazed. I hate. that [ __ ] carrot. That carrot's. awesome. That carrot's the size of a. football. Like, where what [ __ ] lab. in China are they growing them carrots? I know. Okay, but the meat has something. has to have sugar on it. It's too good. No. Yes. I don't think so. Okay. Well, then why could I not get my body weight? I think you're eating mashed potatoes.

and stuff, too. You're eating a bunch of. other stuff as well. I don't think their. steaks have sugar on them. I think they. do. [Laughter]. RFK thinks they do, too. He's banning. them. He's banning Bobs. There's so many. good restaurants out here. Yeah. This. [ __ ] town has so many good places to. eat. Yeah. But my point was, if you. deviate a little bit from a disciplined, perfect diet. Yeah. It takes a while. So, your body is point is to all that, your body's so [ __ ] sensitive. When.

you get so dialed in on everything, man, you really re you really realize how. little it takes to throw you off. Yeah. So, imagine drinking. Well, that's the. thing, too. Every Yeah. Everybody I know. that has an aura ring or wears a Whoop. strap, like if you wear a Whoop strap, you know, it'll show you how much you. recovered uh through the night. And if. you drink, you will notice a big dip. If. you have one cocktail, one cocktail will. be a big dip in the amount of recovery.

you have and you won't even notice it. You'll be like, "Ah, I wasn't even. drunk. I have one." If you're not trying. to perform and do something, right, you. won't notice it. Like a regular person. at a regular job, it might maybe you'll. feel like a little sluggish. But it's. when you start to like work out and. perform and run and you're like looking. at these times or you're on the scale. and you're like, "What the [ __ ] is going. on?" Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Well, most. people are just used to feeling like. garbage. Well, think about most people's. diet and if they just cleaned up their. diet and then just cut out all the.

nonsense. Cut out all the processed. food, cut out all the sugar, cut out all. the sugary drinks and just drink water. and eat healthy, pure whole foods, you. would feel so much better. But most. people aren't doing that. So, they're. accustomed. They think this is what. you're supposed to feel like. This is. life. Yeah. It's like having water in. your ear and you forget and then you It. pops like, "Oh, [ __ ] I can hear now.". Right. Like they're walking through life. with water in their ear and they think. this is what it sounds like. But it's.

just you're poisoning yourself. Yeah. If. you're eating the standard American. diet, if you're eating [ __ ] burgers. and fries, drinking soda, and eating. candy, you are poisoning yourself. I. went I was coming back from a run and I. don't I think I was dying of thirst, so. I usually take like a a visa in my. shorts so I can buy something. But. anyway, I went into Fred Meyer back. there at home and I never go shopping. I've I don't even remember the last time. I was in a grocery store. I don't But I. was walking down the aisles of a regular.

grocery store and I was like, "Holy. [ __ ] I want to eat all this stuff. It. looks It's [ __ ] terrible, but looks. it's bright colors." It was just like I. every aisle I don't know what I was. looking for. Supposedly something to. drink, but I don't know what. I just. kept walking down the aisles going, "I. haven't eaten any of this [ __ ] in so. long, but it looks so good." And then I. was thinking, "That's what most people. are buying and eating." Yeah. The [ __ ]. Yeah. No wonder you feel terrible. Yeah. Most of what you're eating in the.

supermarket, most of what you can buy in. the supermarket is terrible for you. Yeah. That whole center area, right, is. all [ __ ] you know, unless it's like. tomato sauce or whatever. And even that, a lot of that has got seed oils in it if. you buy it from a shitty company. It's a. lot of garbage. People are eating a lot. of garbage. And that's the average. person. And and then you have a doctor. like, "You don't need vitamins. Just. have a balanced diet." Shut up, you. [ __ ] slob. You doughy sack of [ __ ].

with old information. Well, so here's. the point that I just remembered my. point. So I was trying to buy donuts cuz. I was doing an ultramarathon the next. day. So you saw like me and Courtney. running. Normally, it doesn't matter. what type of calories when you're. working that hard. You just need. calories and salt. Sugar. So, I'm like, I'm gonna get some oldfashioned donuts. because I was gonna do this 50K. I'm. like, that'll be perfect calories. So, you know where I found the donuts? And. the [ __ ] produce over there with the. vegetables. So, they're like hiding.

little treasures. You're trying to be. healthy. Like, oh, get a [ __ ] apple. Then you're like, look at a oldfashioned. donut. You're like, [ __ ] this apple. I'm. going to get these donuts. They still sabotage you. Clever. Yeah. I. wonder if there's like a marketing. strategy involved in that. I wonder if. they had like a meeting like look, people are trying to eat well, but we. can [ __ ] them. The algorithm. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the algorithm. It really. is kind of like they're predicting. everything. That's the other thing I've. been doing. I'm basically off of social. media. All I'm doing is I I will I still.

allow myself to look at it if I'm taking. a [ __ ] I'll look but I try not to like. linger. So now every time you send me. something, I know you're [ __ ] most. likely. Or um someone sends me something. or someone sent Well, I didn't send you. I sent you YouTube videos. That's. different. Okay. I watched I was. watching that actually at home on TV. Okay. I was watching that on the big. screen because uh I you know I was. interested like last night in watching. like some you know every night is a. different if I get like some downtime.

and I can relax a little bit and watch. something on TV. Sometimes I like. watching a show, you know, a fiction. show like Mob Land or something like. that, but sometimes I get on these kicks. where I'm I want to watch certain. things. And last night it was like old. school fighters training, you know, and. I just got I went down this rabbit hole. I watched uh old school Sugar Ray. Robinson, too. That was amazing. He was. another one super dedicated to his. craft. Again, trained harder than. anybody, but also trained smarter. He.

would move different than people because. he was a dancer. He actually retired. from fighting for a brief period of time. just to be a dancer and performed like. in like dance shows. Wow. And then went. back to fighting. But so he could move, man. And footwork must be. Yeah. But it. was like it was intentional. It wasn't. it was all like there was certain moves. that he would he had programmed into his. footwork and movement and his balance, his ability to get out of the way and. fight. And you know, he was fighting at. a time where those guys were fighting. like every couple of weeks, you know.

Yeah. They fought a lot. Crazy. What's. uh what's your So, you said fighting. sometimes, but what what is is your. go-to on YouTube? Do you think you watch. most? If I want to just zone out, it's. professional pool. I like watching. professional pool cuz I still that's my. number one addiction is playing pool. So, that comes up on your recommended. list on YouTube. Yeah, mostly pool. And. then ancient civilizations. Okay. Ancient civilizations is number two. I. love watching videos on these mysteries.

where they're just uncovering like I was. watching this whole thing in Malta about. Malta the other day where they found. these elongated skulls in Malta that are. missing the characteristics of a norm. normal human skull. So a normal human. skull has I think it's called a sagittal. crest. There's a line that goes down the. the middle like this is like a you know. like as you're you're growing as a baby, you have like these plates in your head. that move around and they expand as your.

head grows and there's like lines. So. there's a line that goes straight and. there's a line that goes like this. across. These heads don't have that. They don't have the line that goes. straight. Mhm. But they're elongated. human skulls and they have a line that. goes in the back, but they don't have. the line that goes down the center. And. they're trying to like make sense of. this. Like what is this? What is this? And Malta is a giant mystery. Like Malta.

is this island that used to be at one. point in time before the flood. It was. connected to Sicily and they know. Neanderls lived there like thousands of. years before, you know, recorded. civilization. But they didn't think pe. homo sapiens did. But they found these. elongated skulls that are different than. any human skull. Then they found these. incredible stone constructions, these. these stone buildings and immense stones. that have crazy erosion on them that.

they think is more than 6,000 years of. erosion. So they're trying to figure out. like what happened? Like what is this? How old is this? Is this from before the. flood? Is this when before the Ice Age? Like when what the [ __ ] is this stuff? And why are these elongated skulls. there? Yeah, that's nuts. Bizarre stuff. Bizarre stuff. Cuz it's like there's so. many mysteries in terms of like the. human race and and how long people have.

been building things. And every now and. then they'll uncover something that. pushes everything back. Like they used. to think the first people in North. America were like 13,000 years ago. Clovis first. Then they found these. footprints in New Mexico that are 22,000. years old. So like, well, okay. Well, that's not number one. That's not. like the first person to come here. There's like probably people even before. that. But there's very little. information. And then there's this like. crazy stone wall that they found in. Montana.

and it was on private property and no. one even knew it was there. And these. people, they just were clearing some. land and they found this [ __ ] wall. This it's I think it's called the sage. wall in Montana. But these immense. stones that looks like they were placed. there. Who knows how long? And there's. people arguing. Oh, this is like. natural. This this is it. Wa. Yeah. What. the [ __ ] is that, dude? So that was all. covered with tree. By the way, it goes.

deep into the ground, too. It goes like. 10 feet deep into the ground. Wow. So. they're like, "Okay, is this a natural. formation?" Yeah. It doesn't look. natural. It looks like human beings. placed those stones. Yeah. It looks like. it was placed there. Yeah. It's really. weird, man. Look like there's like weird. stuff about it like that. Like someone. made that that has a circle that's. carved into it and then there's like the. the pe the that that sort of structure. that looks like it's the outline of it,

right? So, there's a lot of arguments. Like that one photograph right there, that photograph's [ __ ] crazy. Looks. fake. Yeah. Is that fake? Looks fake. That one's fake. The rest of them. Well, let's see which one is fake and which. one isn't, cuz some of them, that one on. the upper left hand is definitely real. And these, like I said, these go down. deep. You know, they've done like uh. they've used like machinery or sensors. to find out how deep that goes. And it. goes like 10t down deep into the ground. Like look at that one with the rock on.

top of it. That flat rock up there. Right. Yeah. There's a lot of weird. weird stuff when it comes to So if this. is man-made, how [ __ ] old is that? Yeah. Like how. old is that? There's nothing else there. Just that wall. Yeah. Like or maybe is. there other Cuz they didn't even know. this existed. And I think it was till. the '9s. Wow. It's a 96. 96. Yeah. So, what other stuff is out there that. people haven't uncovered that is covered. with ground? It's another thing they're.

finding out about the rainforest. They. used to think the Amazon rainforest was. like these little patching tribes of. people. Well, there's a guy that visited. in the 1500s and he said that there was. like these crazy temples and these huge. structures and cities with millions of. people. And then new explorers went a. hundred years later and they found none. of these things. Mhm. Because that. [ __ ] first guy probably gave. everybody diseases and killed the entire. continent, which is nuts. Like probably.

killed everybody that lived in the. Amazon. Like the Amazon at one I was. watching another documentary on this the. other night. They found they use LAR. So. this LAR, they fly over it and they use. these sensors to detect these structures. that are deep in the rainforest that are. covered with trees and they're finding. all of these corridors and squares and. things that seem to indicate irrigation. and structures and like this is nuts. So. there was like millions of people living.

in the Amazon and some dirty Europeans. came over in the 1500 and gave them. their cooties and they all died out. Yeah, just like what happened with most. of the Native Americans. Like most. people think like most people don't. know, but the Native Americans, like 90%. of the Native Americans were killed by. disease. That 90% of the population died. off by disease, which is crazy. Yeah. Millions of people living this nomadic.

life in North America while the. Renaissance is going on over in Europe. And these people using flint arrow heads. and. Yeah. nuts. They didn't even have. horses. They didn't even have horses. until the Europeans came over and. brought them. The whole thing's crazy. Yeah, it is. That reminds me. That's So. that's what I'm watching a lot of. That's That's your go-to. Yeah. I'm I'm. just absolutely fascinated by ancient. civilizations and then these mysteries. like the this the pyramids and this.

these structures they found under the. pyramid. Have you seen that? Yeah. That's crazy. Like what is that? I've. I've heard talk about it. Basically, I. don't know if it's right. I don't know. if it's wrong. I mean, I know some. people think it's nonsense, but the this. the researchers seem to think that. they've they've done multiple scans and. gotten the same results over and over. again. And they're like, whatever these. things are, there's pillars and there's. spirals around the pillars and it goes. deep into the ground and the whole. structure is two kilometers deep. Yeah,

I heard I think I heard you talking. about then I heard that I thought it was. fake. Some people think that it can't be. real because there's a water table. underneath the the Great Pyramid. That's. what it was. But the question is, is it. real and there's a water table? Is this. [ __ ] in the water? Like, is it so are. was were these people so advanced they. built these insane structures 2 km deep. through the water? Cuz look, if they. look, it's nuts that they could make the. pyramids. Yeah, I know. It still doesn't. make sense. Itself is nuts. all the.

structures, the the temple of Luxor, all. that stuff is crazy. So, if they can. make that, why are we assuming that. that's the pinnacle of crazy like the. there might be crazier below the surface. that is like found yet, right? Imagine. if everybody thought that the most. advanced buildings that were ever. created were like buildings they built. in Chicago in the 1800s. You know, wow, look at this. This is a what. craftsmanship. boy, people had reached. uh an incredible level of ability. And.

then someone stumbles upon the period. and they're like, "The pyramid?" They. go, "Okay, wait." Yeah. What? What the. [ __ ] is this? There's. 2,300,000 stones in this. And they weigh. between two and 80 tons and they're cut. from a quarry hundreds of miles away. Some of them move through the mountains. Like, how? So, that's crazy. And. imagine, we think, well, this is the. height of crazy. Well, you go under the. surface of it below the ground and you. go, "What? What is this two kilometer. deep structure?" Yeah, that's even. crazy. That makes that look simple,

right? It's Well, then these people are. just moving stones. How the [ __ ] did. they get it through the water? What I. think of when I hear that is, could you. imagine the hunting back then? Oh my. god. [ __ ] epic. Probably. But you. have shitty bows. You didn't have a nice. bow. You didn't have a Could you imagine. if you had a sick bow? Oh my god. If you. had a modern bow back then. Yeah, there's two things that I thought of. But do you know when when bears get old, they get a crease in their in their. skull. Yeah. So, it's like when you're. talking about that skull, I was.

wondering if it was age related. I don't. I don't see how the lines would. disappear, but No, the lines wouldn't. disappear. That's that was the argument. of this video that I was watching. See. if you can find any of those uh. elongated skulls of Malta. There was. There's a whole bunch of stuff. It's. apparent like an I'm seeing urban. legend. They It's been talked about 10. years ago. They were on display. They. weren't on display. Yeah, but they're. definitely not an urban legend because. this was I was watching an actual. archaeologist discussing these things. And then there was an alternative guy.

that was discussing it saying that the. issue is with these lines in the skull. don't exist in these skulls, but they. were all admit that these skull Well, there's different one. This is ancient. aliens. I just I just Googled multi. skulls. just just go with um they're all. that's what I'm saying is there's. different stuff that comes up all the. way from Malta websites that talk about. it because this is something that people. would want to go see, right? Let's click. on that one. Um see if you if they have. any images on display because like this. is accepted by actual archaeologists.

that there's because human beings have. been doing weird stuff with skull. So. that's it right there. So you see how. that skull has that line through the. top? Mhm. Um, most skulls have a line. straight down the middle, too. That's. how human skulls are. So, this is weird. These are Now, also, here's the thing. Could totally be a human that has. genetic anomalies. Like, there's these. people in Africa that have they called. them ostrich feet people. Yeah. There's. this weird genetic anomaly that this. whole village has where their feet.

instead of having five like a a big toe. and four little toes. They have like. branched off like a like an ostrich like. like it looks really strange and that's. real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's totally. real and it's real today. It's but it's. a genetic anomaly and it's been passed. on through you know these people in this. one tribe in this one area. So it's like. someone had it. They gay. So it could be. that, right? It could be that that skull.

looks weird. Yeah. Because these people. were just born weird, right? Yeah. You. know, people some people are born with. giant noses. Some people have huge. heads. Some people are like seven feet. tall for no reason. Like dicks. Yeah. Giant hogs. You know, it's like we've. been vary afflicted with that. Yeah. Humans vary quite a bit. So it could be. that that's why that skull looks that. way. But it is absolutely fascinating. And one of the things that they keep. finding is new versions of human beings,

which is really weird. Like they found. the Dennisovvens. I think they found. those in like 2010. And then there was. what is the recent ones, Jamie, that we. were talking about that have the big. heads. There's these big-headed. like not Homo sapien, but like cousins. of homo sapiens that they just found. these like really recently within the. last few years. They're like, "Okay, this is we thought these are Dennis. Ovens. This is a totally different. branch. And so there's multiple branches. of human beings that coexisted.

along with homo sapiens and Neandertols. for a longass time. Yeah. Scientists may. have discovered a new form of ancient. humans known as large head people. So. this is in December of 2024. Wow. The. Julen Julu large Julen Julen. large-headed people. So they they they. took like these skulls and tried to make. like a uh like a recreation of what they. look like and they look like these. jacked looking hairy cave people. They.

look pretty badass. That's not her. She. looks hot. She They don't look anything. like that. You wouldn't survive back. then if you looked like that. No. See if. you can find like an image of what. they've recreated because the image. looks pretty cool. I was So where does. hunting videos fit in your YouTube. algorithm? Oh, I watch those too. Oh, that's uh I watch, you know, I watch all. yours, of course. I watch uh a lot of. different uh I was watching Rey's some. of Rey's videos last night. That one and.

the the one right there. Yeah, they. there's a video of one standing up. See. if you can find images. There's one that. we looked at before where the the dudes. are standing up and he looks super Yeah, that's it. So, this super jacked God, I thick ass bones. Yeah, like Neanderls. Like they were way different than us. They were way more jacked than us. He. looks like a beast, doesn't he? You had. to be to survive. And he made an arrow. head. It looked like he had in his hand. or something. Yeah. Something, you know.

I mean, Neanderls, they did art. You. know, they made cave art. Some of the. cave art they know for sure was. Neanderls. And some of it is pretty. slightly different rendering. Whoa. That's what they looked like. Fred. Flintstone kind of. Bro, those things. would have [ __ ] us up. Imagine that. guy in the UFC. You'd be like, "Oh, Jesus." Imagine the guy on the right has. to fight the guy on the left. Are you. [ __ ] kidding me? Not good. So, this. is like this big dense. It's kind of. weird that we survived. Especially if. you look at some of those marathon.

runners. Like, imagine those people. survived while that thing's around. Those things probably ate people. Like, look at that's what they think they. looked like. God, [ __ ] Yeah, that's. that'd be rough. Super dense, giant. jacked human beings. That one in the. corner where he's walking to the right, far right. Keep Yeah. Look at that. Like. that's what they think they look like. Yeah. [ __ ] that. Imagine you walk. through the woods. You see that dude. there? That's That's where [ __ ] What is. fascinating though is like that's what I.

do like about the endurance stuff that. we're doing is those people. Do you. imagine how far they can get in a day? Oh yeah. Probably hundreds of miles. And. so nowadays we're so far the other way. Yeah. Where if you if you walk a mile, you've done something. Well, you're. eating everything in the middle of the. supermarket and you're watching video. games. Playing video games all day. Some. kids aren't even playing video games. They're watching other people play video. games. That's what's like it's pretty.

cool to think about. We're still making. our bodies go say this 250 mile race. I. mean, that's kind of cool. Yeah, it is. cool. But back then they probably did. that [ __ ] all the time. All the time. So. we're we're built for that. Yeah. You. know what I mean? They probably had to. Of course they had to. But like human as. humans as a specy are built for. endurance. So that's what I like about. those events, right? It's like this is. what we're supposed to be doing. Well, persistence hunting, you know, that's. pretty crazy where you just chase an.

animal down because animals don't sweat. and people do. So, you can't outrun them. in a sprint, but if you just keep. chasing them, eventually they die. Yeah. Stab them. And then you just stab them. when they're out of breath and you eat. them. You got to be either in open. country where you can keep eyes on them. or be able to track them really well. Isn't that crazy that that was a. strategy that humans employ? Just chase. them until they run out of the camera. Yeah, I think they still do it. I bet. that's where some of the best marathon.

runners come out of, too. Yeah, for. sure. You know, Yeah. It's a those. they're so good at tracking in Africa. because of that. It's just like they can. stay on those tracks with no blood or. anything because you know that's that's. the name of the game. Keep your eyes on. them. Yeah. And wear them out. That. that's what's always fascinating to me. how guys can just look at the ground and. see footprints where I don't see [ __ ]. Yeah. And some guys that are just really. good at it, man. Yeah. I mean, they can. they can follow tracks like across just.

solid rock and it's just looking at. little scuffs. They can see little. scuffs from the hooves. That's crazy. I'. I've I've been over there, you know, hunting quite a bit and I would sit just. as you just said like, "What are you. seeing?" And so I would ask them, it's. it's hard because they speak Swahili, so. you got to it's hard figuring it out, but I was there for three weeks one. time, so I kind of got dialed in. But so. I would ask, "What are what are we. looking at here? What what what are you. seeing? Or it's just how grass grass. will go a certain way and then if it's.

not that certain way, it's because. something made it. Something pushed it. out of the way. Even if it's just a. little bit of grass, you just like look. for these moments, small little tells. Wow. Yeah. So, it's like the being. so that's another reason why I love the. mountains. Love being out. It's just you. have to be so if you're going to be good. at it in tune with everything. You have. to you have to be sensitive to almost. everything. That's how you can get.

within bow range of an animal and get it. killed or find it after you've put an. arrow in it. It's like you're just. deciphering all this information. Some. people are good, some people are but. mostly it's experience related. Those. people have learned in Africa have. learned from the best trackers there. are. We haven't had to be that good. here. But I've I've wanted to to develop. that skill and just get better. But it's. like it's noticing the little the minute. details. Someone had a really good. argument. Do you remember who it was,

Jamie? Where they were talking about the. invention of the bow and arrow and they. were saying the odds of this happening. simultaneously all over the world are. very unlikely. And that what's much more. likely is that someone developed that. technology and was traveling. Mh. And. that when you go back to the earliest. use of the bow, which I don't know when. that was. Do you know when that was? Mhm. Let's guess what would you guess? How many thousands of years ago did they. figure out the bow and arrow? Oh my. uh 3000 I would say. I mean it has to be.

before pyramids. Yeah, the pyramids are. 5,000 or 4,500. That's the conventional. I mean so many so many people think it's. older than that. say 10,000 10,000 years. for the bow and arrow. So that means. that someone had to be traveling cuz. like the Native Americans had it, the. Polynesians had it, like everybody had. it, right? The Africans had it, like. everyone had the bow and arrow. Europeans had it. When was uh.

Mongolians? Well, that was the 1200s. The the rise of Jenghaskhan was like the. 1200s. 1200s to the 1300s. Yeah. They had crazy bows. They had 160. pounds. Yeah, they were [ __ ] people. up with those bows. Yeah, those guys. They say that their skeletons were. distorted, you know? Like I'm talking. about like I'm I'm trying to balance out. my body because I'm pulling too much. Forearm would get Yeah. Everything was. jacked. Their shoulders, their back,

everything was like tor torqued and. twisted. Mhm. What was the So, let's. guess. What did we say? 10,000 years. You said uh I say five. Okay, I believe. what I just stumbled across is the. earliest people known to have used bows. and arrows were the ancient Egyptians. who adopted archery in approximately. 2,800 BC. Okay, so roughly. 4,800 plus years ago roughly guessing. So how does it get to North America? How.

do those people get it? So, if the. Native Americans, if we have evidence of. human beings living in New Mexico 22,000. years ago, when did they pick up the. bow? Who got it to them? Because by the. time Columbus came in the 1400s, they. already had it. So, where'd they get it? Who taught them that? Yeah. Where' they. get it? Did they figure it out. independently to put feathers as. fletchings and to put a Yeah. Wow, look. at that cool picture from Egypt. Wow,

that is badass. That's crazy, right? So, were the Egyptians traveling. all the way. to to North America? Like, who I don't. know who figured it out first? They had. some sick stuff. But the Do you remember. who it was, Jamie? I was looking I was I. changed the question. So, I went down. the other It was a fascinating convers. because I never considered it until they. brought it up. They said, "I don't think. the bow and arrow just I" He goes, "I. think that's technology that was.

shared." Mhm. Which which is a great. argument for world travelers. Yeah. I. way before I was thinking about Was. there land bridges that we don't know. about? I don't know. Well, there. definitely was, if you go back 11,000. years ago, I mean, that's when people. were walking across the Bearing Land. Bridge and Yeah. Michael Wadell. Oh, Michael Wadell. Was it him that was. saying that? I believe so. Look, I'm. wearing the same shirt. What was the. odds? Well, you guys I know you guys. were talking about, you know, uh Pope.

and Young went over Mhm. on the boats. and took Remember they took tubs of. arrows. Yeah. Cuz they're just slinging. them and they're going to be gone for. like what, seven months. Yeah. And then. Wadell had some great stories about. talking to his wife about, hey, I'm. going to go hunt and be back next year, you know, cuz it's like so long of a. boat ride. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. just the people getting in boats back. then it was so nuts. I I just know that. you know Fred Bear has that quote the. history of of archery is a history of.

mankind. I always think of that. So as. long as man's been around we've had to. kill the archery equipment is well it. must have just completely opened up the. door for having more kids for being able. to survive and feed your family. Because. if you're just stabbing things, you got. to get so close. And then you get an. Adeladdle. Okay. How far can you throw. that? Yeah. But then if you got a bow, like now all of a sudden all those. [ __ ] over there are in trouble. Yeah.

You know, and they don't even know yet. They don't even know what they'll look. out for. And there's things whistling. through the air. Contradictory. information. Oh, what is this? The four. waves of bow and arrow use in Northern. America. Uh, North America. This. occurred at 12,000. Whoa. 12,000. 12,000 years ago. Yeah, that's why I. started going down this hole. And so. it's pretition BC then. I don't know. what No, 12,000 years ago is 10,000 BC. I think they found bows in different.

places. Whoa. That's nuts. I don't know for sure. 12,000 years ago. Yeah. See the Alaska. Peninsula, right? So again, so 12,000. years ago now it makes sense that people. are walking. So people from Asia could. walk over. for me. Maybe it was made in. Asia. Yeah. But 30,000 30,000 I don't. know what the evidence says that that. is. Subarctic subarctic people first. brought archery bow with them to North. America from Asia 30,000 years ago.

Wow. Range of subart. So 30,000 years ago, people were supposedly dumb as [ __ ] And. you know, like how are they figuring out. how to make a stick fly through the air. with a string and kill things with it? and kill things with it. Yeah. And hunt. Mongolian people were the first to adapt. adopt uh the bow in the southwestern. region of what is now called the United. States. Whoa. Mong Oh, Mogalon. Not. Mongolian. Mogalon. I don't even know.

who they are. 2,000 years ago. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Just after Jesus. 30,000 years ago is nuts. But it's like how does that get all. around the world? It's really. interesting because it's not like. there's a bunch of different versions of. it. Yeah. Because see it said the. physical charact characteristics of this. bow are striking in several respects. So. it's like Yeah. There's no It doesn't say what that is. That's a recurve. No, I just mean like.

when they found Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I thought I thought that. they were saying that no matter where. they found these bows, they were all. very similar. They had the fletchings. is it goes to your point of how did that. information get around the world? How. did they figure that out? Yeah. First. recorded use of archery border quite. early in human history. Images from the. paleolithic and messylithic cave. paintings 10,000 BC in Spain and France. depict groups of simple silhouetted. figures using the bow as both a weapon.

of combat and the hunt. See if you can. find some of those images. The methyl. methyl methylic. Yeah. Okay. That's um. that one documentary, The Cave of. Dreams. It's a Warner Herszog film. I. think that's what it's called. Is that. you down there? Um it looked like it. Whoa. Isn't that sweet? That's crazy. Look at that one. Look at that one. Go. to that one. That one right there. Whoa. That's crazy.

7,000y old bow and arrow painting. God. Wow. Oh, that's what you know, anytime I. get those people in there for lift run. shoot and Wayne starts talking to him at. the bow rack, he's just like showing. them how to shoot a bow and people are. like they get it. He's like, "Feels. familiar, right?" He goes, "Because. that's that's what man's always done. That's why it feels familiar." So, it's. like people who have never done it all. of a sudden are like, "Yeah, they're. like, "Oh, this this stirs something up.

in them." It does resonate, right? It. does resonate with your DNA. It just you. can tell. You know what I tell people? It's like it's like um you know when you. catch a fish like even when kids catch a. fish. I remember when my daughter caught. her first fish, the excitement is. genetic. Oh, he got one. He got one. Because how do you know you're supposed. to be excited, right? Why are they. exciting? Yeah. Why Why is it exciting. to catch a fish? But because it's. programmed into your DNA from the time. we were figuring out how to catch fish.

that if you caught a fish, you get to. live. Mhm. You get to eat it, so you get. a reward. Your body gets excited about. catching that. That's that same feeling. That's why people like when they can. shoot something and it hits the spot. It's not like throwing a basketball. through a hoop. That's kind of fun, but. it doesn't have the same feeling. No. There's a feeling of archery. When you. hit something, it's like, "Oh, yes.". Yeah. You see an animal, you're like, I. wonder if I could hit that with my. arrow. Yeah. You just want to shoot at. stuff. Yeah. Well, I was at the zoo the. other day. I was sending you pictures. I. know. Yeah, I zoom in on animals.

I mean, I'm driving and I see horses, cows, whatever. And I'm like, I see. cows, legs forward. I'm like, "Oh god, I. could get a arrow right in that right in. the lungs there. Perfect." It's just. that's just what you you kind of program. your brain to to see, right? But it's. also like the same drive that leads you. to run all these miles, to be at your. best, and that also makes you. concentrate on being accurate at archery. all the time, and thinking about archery. all the time. If you don't, you won't be.

as good as you can be. If you want to be. as good as you possibly can be, you have. to kind of think about it that way. All-encompassing. Yeah. All-encompassing. Take over your [ __ ]. brain. Yeah. Imagine if you can get. those people from back then to like, let. me show you some [ __ ] I would love it. This is called a hogfather. I' I've. wanted to go over like there's there's. these people that have God, what tribe. is that that have an Instagram page. I. think I've haven't. They wear the red. stuff. I think I in Africa. I think I've.

sent you that. I want to go and hunt. with them so [ __ ] Yes. Messiah. I. want to go over there so bad and just. hang out. They would probably freak out. when they saw your bow. Like, oh, what. are you doing? I know when I went to. Tanzania, they I would just shoot at. like they'd put up like a a buffalo. quarter. The Hodza also do have the. Hodza, too. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. That's the people that David Cho went. over and hung out with, right? I thought. that 2.3 million followers. Whoa. Yeah, that's not the one I was thinking.

Interesting. Influencing. Yeah, there's. an influencer. What's that lady doing. there? That upper left lady. What's she. doing with the Hanzo? Well, let's wrap. this up. Cam, uh, your book, Perfect. Title. Undeniable. It is a perfect. title. Really is. I mean, that's one of. the things that we always talk about, like you got to be undeniable. Yeah. It's perfect name. I just think it it it. captures what we're trying to to do in. life. Yeah. Yeah. What everybody's. trying to do in life. If you're really.

trying to do something well, you know, you're going to have some haters. What's. the best way to silence haters? Win. Be. undeniable. Be undeniable. So, if you're. talking [ __ ] you just look like an. idiot. You just look like a fool. Here's. what I've learned. This is going to be. This is probably going to hit pretty. hard. I don't know if you've ever heard. this before, but it pays to be a. winner. No, I undeniable to me it's like. the people I've had on I've learned so. much from you're featured in the book, but it's like what makes people. undeniable? What allows people.

regardless of what they do to rise to. the top and it's there's certain. characteristics of each person and what. it is. It's like they have this. overwhelming passion for whatever. they're doing. It's like that's all they. care about. It's all they think about. Rocky Marciano, Gogggins, whoever. whoever you know of you think of like a. person's name doing something, they're. un they've Yeah, they're obsessed with. whatever they're doing. Speaking of. obsessed, I'm obsessed with getting.

something right. I don't think I think. the sagittal crest is actually the the. peak of the skull that gorillas have. I. think I [ __ ] that up. I think there's. a different word I was looking for a. different word for those cracks in the. the skull. It's not sagittal crust. I. think the sagittal crest is that thing. that separates like what a gorilla skull. looks like versus a chimpanzeee skull. There it is. Yeah, that's the sagittal. crest. That's that ridge bone. Yeah. So, what is the what are those lines called? Uh oh, it's a suture. That's right.

That's right. That's what they call it. So, there's a coronal suture and then. there's the other. one. [ __ ] heads are weird. Imagine. that's a person. I know how [ __ ]. weird that is. See that weird? So that's. what a normal person looks like. They. got that weird line. Oh, that's what So. it's um paridial foromin. So that's a. sagittal suture. And then then there's. this other suture. Lambdoid. What's that other suture called? See.

that lambdoid on the left there? Yeah. Lambdoid suture and the sagittal suture. So that's what the sagittal is the line. that they're missing. The one that goes. up the middle. That's uh Look at that. gorilla head in the lower right hand. corner. Oh, [ __ ] cool. Gorillas. almost have like a mohawk in their skull. because they have these giant muscles. for chomping on [ __ ] roots and [ __ ]. And you would never if you hit that. [ __ ] in the head, it wouldn't do. anything. Laugh at you. Have you ever. seen um they there's a 3D image? We can. end with this because uh people always.

say, "How many [ __ ] people do you. think it would take to beat a gorilla to. beat a gorilla?" Well, guess what? It. don't It literally doesn't matter. So, somebody um made uh like a a rec, you. know how they do like recreations? Like, let's find out. And so, they uh showed. what would happen. I just sent it to. you, Jamie. They showed what would. happen if a hundred dudes tried to fight. a gorilla. Spoiler alert. 100 dudes get. [ __ ] up. Look at this. This is what it.

would look like. Oh my god. Like the gorilla try to run and just. turns around, just starts [ __ ] people. up. Holy [ __ ] Yeah. You got no chance. Could you imagine taking a big right. from that thing? I would watch the first. couple dudes take a right and I would. take a left. I would be like, "See you. I'm gonna I don't think gorillas are. going to chase me." So, you just got to. get his back. Nope. Can you If he did. grab get on his back, he would just grab. you with one arm and throw you [ __ ]. 50 yards. He would grab you and his grip.

would break your [ __ ] rib cage. It. would just he would his fingers would. probably penetrate your skin and go. right through to your organs. Look, he's. just [ __ ] all these people up. Boom. Boom. That guy took a couple in a row. The Russians probably tried this. already. They probably already had Look. at this. All these other guys like, "Oh, I'm going to give it a shot. I'm going. to give it my best." A pay-per-view. Yeah. Why are these guys still there? I. don't know. Because they're being. forced. Look, he's running trying to.

little [ __ ] ass hammer fist hit that. gorilla. It's not if you get your kind. of bell rung a little bit and you're. kind of dazed and then you're just. standing there. Look how far everybody. flies too when he hits them. Boom. It I that would be a good one to end end. on. But here's what we really need to. end on because last time Endure was like. the number one seller and they put it. number seven or something on New York. Times. So we need we need number one. We. we deserve number one. We should be.

number one this time. You didn't get. number one because of some weird [ __ ]. It's not because New York the New York. Times bestseller list is an editorial. Yeah, that's what's weird. If it just. goes based on sales, Endure would have. been up there, but they gave me number. seven. So, isn't that crazy that they. just just give me what I deserve. Why. lie? Why you lying? I don't know. If. you're gonna have a top 10, why lie? You're lying. You can't decide that this. one's a top 10 because it's made by a. transgender person of color. Is it.

better? I don't know if it helps me to. call them out or No, they're going to. [ __ ] you no matter what. But America. will know. But on Amazon, that's not. curated, right? So that'll be legit. That'll be sales. That'll be legit. So. that's the one that should count. But. yeah, I mean the the whole point also I. wanted to also end on. I wouldn't have. had the success with those books if not. for you. You wrote the Forward to. Endure. It made the New York Times. bestseller list. You know as well as. anybody. the next book if you can say.

from the New York Times bestselling. author of Endure that just makes the. next one go crazy. So without you this. wouldn't have happened. Well without you. I would have never been bow hunting. So. and we wouldn't own Archery Country. Yeah, we wouldn't own Archery Country. All right, let's bring it home. Uh. Endure, it's out now. It's out May 6th. May 6th. No, no, Endure is out. Oh, excuse me. Undeniable. Undeniable is out. May 6th. Today is April 29th. So, wait a. week. Tuesday. Did you do the audio.

version of it? I did. Yes, I did. Yes. It was tough, but people love it. Yeah, they do. They want it in your voice. It. has to be. It has to be in your voice. Well, Joe, thank you. My pleasure, brother. I love you to death. You're the. best. All right. Goodbye, everybody. [Applause]. [Music].