Joe Rogan Experience #2315 - José Andrés

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe. Rogan podcast by night. All day. Let's go. Jose, my man. I cannot believe. I'm here. I can't believe you're here. either. I'm so happy. Yo, I remember when you know people. began telling me, "Hey, you know you. know you're Rogan." And I would be like, "Oh, you're Rogan." What? Because I'm.

I'm always lost, right? Yeah. You're. Rogan loves Basar. Yes. Loves Basar in. Las Vegas. It's my favorite restaurant. in Vegas. Lo Basar meet in Las Vegas. And I'm like, really? [ __ ] And you. know, you're happy every time you you. listen that anybody likes your. restaurant. Well, your restaurant is set. up so good. When you walk in, the those. Argentine grills are going with the live. wood fires. Oh, and you smell the steaks.

right when you walk in. Oh, it's. perfect. Honey pot. Cuz if you're not. hungry, you get hungry the moment you. walk in the door. So, so you know Bazar. I opened uh first one oh my god over 15. years ago in LA in in this hotel amazing. hotel SLS by Philipe Stark Sanarian was. the brains behind the whole project and. and and the restaurant just became wow. big big big hit in LA was a crazy place.

was like Alice in Wonderland like Joe in. Wonderland but then when we were opening. SLS the same hotel in. We were like, let's do Basar but. something else. And obviously what. everybody loves in Vegas is a meat. place. So we got the spirit of the. original basar. Same dishes, the whimsy, the colon candy for gr, the phichi steak. that you eat, you eat in one bite, but. we brought meats. Meats from different. parts of the United States, different.

parts of Spain, Europe, Iberico pork, big grills, and was kind of fancy. You. could go fancy. You could go cotton. candy and cones of caviar, which by the. way, I have here some cones if you're. hungry later. But then you can go and. you eat a steak. That's it. Why is Vegas. a big meat place? It feels like it's a I mean, it's a lot. of steakous. A lot of steakouses. Yeah. Um not a lot of great ones though. A lot.

of woman overall is good. I'm not going. to be the one saying there's a few that. you can you can I'm not going to be the. one of good ones. I'm not going to be I. mean listen it's great chef my friend. Tom Kio has one. What's that one? Uh Tom. I don't even know there is so many. casinos. I don't know. Tom Kio the chef. Wow. You know everything. Yeah that's. the one we've been to at MG. Oh, that. one's great. Yeah, that one's great. Tom. and Tom is a great guy. Great. What is. it called? Craft steak. Is it a crab. steak? Craft is a craft one. I think.

Wolf Pack has another one. Anyway, it's. many other ones with names with chefs. behind with no chefs. Yeah, bign name. chefs. No name. Cleaver is great. That's. not been I should go. Very good. Very. good. Yeah. People, this is good you. mentioned that because when we go Vegas, we stay in the casinos and we go to the. casinos, hotels, and that's it. Yeah. And me, I've always been a big fan of. saying it's okay, but make the effort to. leave the casino. Yes. leave the strip.

and also visit some of the other. restaurants. Yeah. Yeah. Travel a little. bit because they deserve that we visit. them too. Vegas is the casinos, but. Vegas like every other city in America, every other city in the world is so much. more. Right. We all go to the whisper of. us. Yeah. Here we go. That's it. Nothing. else. No. Go beyond beyond the obvious. Yeah. And you're going to discover great. things. But uh Basar, I'm moving Bazar. Where? To the Venetian. Oh, well that.

that other casino is going to starve. then. They're going to fall apart. No, the only reason why. No, it's a good. casino. It's a good casino. And they do. good job. Uh the Sahar and the owner is. a good guy. And we need to And they're. going to put a great concept there, too. And they going to replace Bizar. I don't. know yet. They didn't announce. If I. can, I will help them. I've been helping. them. But I'm moving to the Venetian. Ber me to the Venetian. And when is that. going to happen? Um at the end of this. year. Okay. Soon you you'll be there.

I'll be prepared. You'll be invited. I'm. going to come. You'll be invited. It's. my favorite place to go in Vegas. Uh uh. you know I I'm I'm very happy because. it's almost you know I don't know if. it's the same as when a player moves to. a new NBA. team. Uh sometimes works, sometimes. doesn't work. No. Bizarre meets it'll. work. But but you know it's it's it's. it's that feeling, right? is like I'm. going to this new casino. They are is. great closer to my other restaurants at.

the Cosmopolitan. Mhm. I can go walking. from one to each other and better better. for me. Yeah. And and then I had the. other basar which is Basar. Man, I'm. sorry I sound like a commercial but No, you know restaurants are like my babies. You I've eaten at your place in Chicago. as well. Yeah, the basar meet in Chicago. and Basar is great. Excellent. Excellent. So, basic restaurants for me, you know, they've never been. business. Uh, God knows I'm not even I'm.

not the best businessman. I'm surrounded. by good business people. Uh, I think I. am a creative guy. So good though. I. think that's why they're so good. I. think if you were just concentrating on. making money, it wouldn't be I should I. should You shouldn't keep doing what. you're doing. I it's not a bad thing but. but I am a well you are a storyteller. you are a storyteller you are a troador. a medieval troador that will tell the. stories of what was happening around the.

castles and courts in medieval times in. Europe you're a storyteller right I I am. not very good at anything my English I. miss a lot of words that I wish I knew. so I yeah but it sounds cool I could. express myself better. No, no, no, no, no. But I'm a storyteller and I tell. stories through dishes. That's who I am. Yeah. Well, you do a fantastic job of. that. And that the passion that you have. for food comes through. It comes through. in your restaurants. It really does.

Like you can tell the difference between. someone who just really loves food and. someone who's just trying to make money. So, it's good that you're not a good. businessman and that you surround. yourself with good businessmen because. that's all you need. Good businessmen. that you can trust and then you. concentrate on what you do best. That's. a perfect marriage. You know the I'm 55. I'm about to become 56. July in July. July 13th. I born in. 69. And I I realized not only as a chef,

but as a person, as a as a man, as a. father, as a husband, as a all all the. different labels we all have. It's. always that the more you. know the more you realize you know. nothing. right in the old days I will be 23 yeah. I know I know I know I know now it's. like I don't know tell me and even even. if I know something in a conversation I.

just tell do you know about I said I. don't why. because I want to listen because I want. to. I I realized that me leaving home. fairly early and not going to university. and not not even beginning first year of. high school. I was out. I didn't even. graduate on the first year that one of. the things I needed was receive. education but knowing the traditional.

way. The traditional way was not for me. just being there eight hours a day. listening. to all the hundred kings we have in. Spain growing up you know like why I. need to know and listen and I respect. kings and I and I love the king of Spain. I think he's a great man a great a great. human being has nothing to do with that. it's only I didn't want to know what the. other 200 kings we had in Spain in this. history it's not what I was interested I. would be interested in knowing what they.

did that was amazing but not knowing. about their names and their last names I. didn't care about that. So I needed to. find ways for me to just to learn. So. that's why for me use I realized the. most I the more I know the more I know. nothing. And I'm in this moment I'm 55. that I'm just eager to learn. I want to. know more. I want to learn more. I want. to I'm talking now but I want to listen. more. I I only want to be just a better a.

better person by learning. Yeah. Well, that's beautiful. And when you're. young, you think you know everything. And as you get older, there's a quote by. uh I think it's Dennis McKenna said this. that as the as the bonfire of. enlightenment grows, the surface area of. ignorance is exposed. So the more you. learn, the more you realize there's so. much you don't know. Whereas as you're. young, you think you [ __ ] I figured.

it all out. And then as you get older, you're like, there's so much I don't. know. Not only that, there's no way I. can know everything. It's not possible. That's why fools argue about things that. they don't know. Instead of just going, "What is that? How does that work?". Instead of actually being genuinely. curious, fools like to try to pretend. that they know more than they know. Well, there's no, it's not possible to. breathe underwater. Don't pretend you. can. It's not possible to know. everything. You just can't. There's. going to be people that know things that.

you don't know. Celebrate that. Enjoy. it. You know, I think that's one of the. best things that it's ever happened to. me uh through this podcast is I get to. talk to so many different people that. have lived so many different lives and. have so many different passions and so. many different interests and so many. different things that they've studied. It's uh an amazing education. But I was. a lot like you. I did not want to sit in. school. Whatever ADHD is, I have it. you. know, whatever the [ __ ] it is. I'm. raising my hand. I got it. I mean, like.

sometimes when you know, I have people. that's oh, my son has this. I'm like, what? Your son is an amazing human, a. smart individual and I feel like I. connect with him because I think we are. alike. So, I raise my hand. I am that. too. I subscribe to the idea that a ADHD. is a superpower. I really do because I. think the people that can't focus on. nonsense, generally speaking, they can. focus on things they love. Really. focused. They get really excited about.

certain things, but everything else they. can't be bothered with. Like when I was. a kid, I remember being in math class. and checking out cuz I said, "Wait a. minute. Can I do this on a calculator?". Yes, there are calculators, right? And. there's an unlimited supply of. batteries, right? They said, "Yes." I'm. like, "I'm out. I'm out. I'm not going. to think about math now because this is. not something I'm interested in. If I. can do all this math on a calculator, why do I need to learn how to do it? Now, obviously, that's a dumb way to. think. That's I was 13. But I remember. thinking that at 13 years old, I'm out. I'm not going to think about this.

anymore. Just going to use a calculator. This is so stupid. Just give me the. result. Yeah. I don't need to know how. you made all those numbers work. I just. like I know it's real. Okay, that's. great. I'm interested in other things. But the thing. is, school was designed to make good. factory workers. That's what school was. designed for. The American school system. at least was designed by the. Rockefellers. And what they're. essentially doing is preparing people to. be cogs in a wheel. They were preparing. people to just show up and do what.

you're told and live this life of quiet. desperation and just sit there and. absorb whatever they tell you to because. you're going to have to go and work and. do something you don't want to do all. day long and show up and do it again. until your body stops working and you. die. Uh I I don't know if I will 100%. agree with that statement in the sense. of this was created by design. I think. well the school system in America it. certainly was created by design. Yeah. But the idea of sitting people down. especially young kids for eight hours a. day is a ridiculous idea. But the.

schools and education go way beyond. America and go go back in time. We was. always an interest for writing and. teaching and sharing knowledge. And obviously the very few lucky ones. centuries and centuries ago were the. ones that were able to acquire that. knowledge. Yes. But I think starting. people off at 5 years old and sitting. them in classes all day, that's. relatively new in human history. This is.

what I'm talking about. This this. sitting people in classrooms all day as. children. This is relatively new in. human history. This was not something. that people did hundreds and hundreds of. years ago. When you think about all the. great scholars of the past, yes, they. they certainly learned school. They. didn't do it the way they're doing it. today. I'm not an expert on that front, but I can tell you when my daughters. began going to school, my wife decide to. take them to a Montesauri school.

That's where everybody's in the same. grade, right? Very much. But the type of learning and. the type of teaching and the method of. Montesuri. I was fascinated by. I was so fascinated. that I almost felt like as a dad I had. to go to a. school to learn the Montesauri system. myself because. I I thought was great. I thought was. giving my daughters a great a great.

framework to understand how to be. themselves, how to grow, how to organize. themselves, giving them the freedom to. become the the young woman they they are. becoming. So for me you watching them. going through when they were four or. five going to Montasauri I thought that. was amazing because I saw little human. beings that they there were far away. smarter I think than when I was at their. same age was no a system of education.

that was used guiding them like cows or. like horses when they put how do you. call this thing blinders the blinders no. was the contrary was opening their world. not only 360 but almost. threedimensionally. giving them options for them to be their. own their. own owners of their destiny. I will say. um I think that's why my daughters. became so highly.

opinionated. Uh and so daddy thank you. for your opinion but let me tell you. it's something else here. Okay. Okay. All right. and I love it that so yeah I. I'm not expert on education or ICU point. um but still I'm not gonna lie to you. Joe yo I wish that in the same time the. same way I told you I didn't go through. proper. education in many ways I wish I receive. a slightly more proper education like I. learn business hitting the wall every.

time you know Winston Churchill they. claim he said that success is going from. failure to failure without losing. enthusiasm. Ah I had a lot of a lot of. successes but I had my share of failures. too like I'm sure everybody does. Yeah. But what makes the difference between. looking down and. never moving again or picking up the. pieces. Picking up the pieces and let's. do it again is enthusiasm. That's a. great quote. Failure to failure while. losing enthusiasm. That's a great quote.

Well, I don't know if was his, you know, every phrase that is a good phrase and. they don't know who did it, right? Let's. give it to Western Church. or Socrates. Yeah, there's always a. bunch of those. Yeah, but whatever it. is, it's it's accurate. It's definitely. accurate. I just think that there's a. lot of different roles in life and the. problem with traditional school is that. they're preparing you for a job. And uh. I think there's a lot of like very. creative people that would be served.

better if they had a more open-ended. education and they were allowed to just. pursue their interests and be excited. about certain things and just get a. rudimentary education in other things. That's just my opinion because I think. there's there's certain people that are. they just don't fit in with a regular. 9-to-five life. It's just not for them. And like I said, you can call it ADHD, whatever you want to call it. There's a. lot I all my friends, everyone I hang. out with, I don't know anybody that's. like built for regular life.

Yeah. On that I feel I'm more in your. club. Uh I think the best university is. the university of life. Yes. As long as. you're really engaging, as long as. you're really doing something and really. challenging yourself and really applying. yourself to something, that's Yeah, I. agree with you. And you know, you have. to have a lot of I think the more. interest you have, the more things. you're fascinated by, the broader your. understanding of human beings will be.

and the better your life will. be. Yeah. And engaging. Yes. Engaging. I. I I know lately I've been, you know, taking the the taxi ride or the Uber. ride. or I drive myself. sometimes, but I'm realizing, for. example, the the most fascinating moment. is when I go back to use on the subway, it's use and just talk to people, which. is great. See people, people people.

watch. Well, I mean, in your case, everybody will recognize you. In my. case, yeah, people may recognize me too. obviously in DC, New York and then. things. happen. So it's you have to engage for. all these things of education as you. said to happen. Yeah. Um because Yeah. It's the only way things happen. I mean, you know, I have this new book. This is. another commercial, Change the Recipe, which I'm touring right now. And yeah, and I and I say one of the quotes I I.

give is very important to me. I mean. it's a phrase probably you heard often. many times before that life starts at. the end of your comfort zone. Mhm. You. and I were talking about education. That means that the true education. happens at the end of your comfort zone. Right. Because if you are not pushed. right to the. limits what it is is what it is and. that's it. You don't need to know. anything else. You don't need to learn. anything else. You are in a safe space.

You're in your cube. You're in your. room. Everybody is protecting you and. the system protects you and you are. okay. The only thing, the only moment will. become interesting is when you leave. that room of. comfort. You go to the edges of that. horizon and you cross that line of the. horizon. That's the moment that life. gets really interesting. Yes. Yeah, I.

agree. I think just a lot of people that. don't have experience challenging. themselves, they get fearful. They get. fearful. They get they anticipate. things. They get anxiety and they just. never learned how to challenge. themselves. That's the problem. They. never they never walked out on the end. of the pier, you know, so to speak. They. never they never pushed themselves. And. because of that, they're terrified of. it. But just you need like little baby. steps. Do something you've never done. before. Go take a yoga class. Go learn.

how to speak Spanish. Go do something. Do something different. And then try to. do something else different. Try to add. a little bit. Don't just go right into. like doing a triathlon. Like do. something that just makes you a little. nervous and then try to build on that. But do it. intentionally. That's my advice. Remember that this is a reason why. people sometimes they are so scared of. the world because actually the world is. a scary place. It certainly can be. I I.

think the world is a wonderful place but. for for centuries for thousands of years. humans planet earth is beautiful but the. world is full of dangers. Yes. Just get. lost in a forest. Yeah. Without anybody, without anything, even without a knife. Yeah. And things are going to happen. Yeah. Scuba dive in the waters in the. dark ocean. Dangerous. There are things.

moving in the water. Yes. Things are. complicated. If you are trying to feed. yourself, is this is this mushroom. poisonous or not? Uh you know to to be to be a human. Yeah, I'll get coffee. to be a human for. for centuries for thousands of years was. a dangerous place. So I'm only saying. that this is part of the. DNA that is part of who we are as. humans that we want to be in a place we.

feel protected. Yeah. And equally we. want to protect our loved ones. Yes. So. it's it's just a a human natural. response through the evolution of. humanity for thousands of years. That is. true. But also to the contrary, when you. take risks and then you get rewards from. those risks, you then start getting very. excited about taking risks. You get. excited about adventure. You get excited. about doing things where you're not. certain how it's going to turn out. Like.

you opening up the new bizaar meets at. the Venetian. Who knows? Who knows? I. think it's going to be great, but who. knows? Like new things, new challenges. New challenges are exciting. But that's. why humans even sometimes we feel we. want to be alone in a cave. That's what. you're saying before on the top of a. mountain right before I came in. You. were saying you want to open up a. restaurant where only four people can. go. You have to get to the top of the. mountain and you have to.

walk. Yeah. And if you get there and the. four seats are taken, you have to wait. in you have to camp until next day. Camp out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you and. no bottles of oxygen and all that crap. that people that go to the Everest do. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Yeah, I don't. get it. I don't get it. Yeah. Big line. of people waiting to say, "I got to the. top." Yeah. I got to the top and they. had 10 guys carrying their Yeah. carrying their. belongings, the Sherpas and their oxygen.

bottles. Like actually actually if I was any of. the countries that controls the access. to all those amazing mountains, all the. top the eight the 8K the Akon Kagwa and. the and the Everest and all the big. pigs. I will make it mandatory that you. have to go on your own. You could argue. that. Okay. But then scuba diving you. are using air. Why is okay but but I. want to be fair will be an argument. No.

And Jose, you like a scuba dive. You can. go down into the ocean and you can bring. air, but I'm going to the average and I. cannot bring air. But I take my bottle. with me. I don't litter the bottom of. the ocean as I scuba dive. I leave the. ocean as I found it. That's the real. problem with Everest is the litter and. the human waste. Tons tons of poop. Just human poop all over the side of the. street. Well, they're not going to be.

holding their pope. I get it. But I get. it, too. But they can put it on the back. maybe on him. Well, they can't even take. the bodies down. People died there. There's How many bodies are on the side. of Everest? Well, as how many bodies How. many bodies are on Everest? As climate. change, it's it's got to be dozens. Taking down some of the ice and the. snow. And listen, bro. There ain't no. climate change up there. That's going to. be cold for a long long I don't know. I've not been but not yet but who knows.

but some eyes is disappearing. Yeah you. how many? Well it says over 30 people. have died and many have been unclaimed. It doesn't say the number over 30 over. 300 have died. 300 have died. It says. many have been it's a very dangerous. thing. Even yeah even 200 bodies. approximately still on the mountain. Yeah they they have like there's a map. where all the bodies are. But I see your. point. But this is a interesting tribe. that people want to go to the top picss. Even myself, I I thought about it. Mhm. Like, do I do that one day? Because I.

don't, you know, as as you grow older, it's like I have all these things I want. to do in life and I want to do Check. Check. Yeah. I want to go Joe Rogan. Will he invite me to his show? Like, let. me let me send him a text message. Check. Here I am. Uh, so maybe one day, maybe one day, uh, I should do it, but. but I want to do it in a. more like the old days in a. more, you know, I need to get probably. in better shape to do Well, I think the. first guy that did it died. What was the.

first something like that? His body is. still up there. I believe the first guy, they think he made it up to the top and. his body's on the way down. So, they. don't know if he actually made it and. died on the way down or if he died on. the way up. And then the second guy made. it all the way up. But yeah, not good. without oxygen in particular. Very. difficult to do. So you mentioned about. the tribes, right? The tribes, man. And. and before that we were having the.

conversation about the Walt is a. dangerous Yes. It's a dangerous place. That's why we like tribes because when. Yes. Because the world is a dangerous. place. We feel unprotected. by by things by life by right by what. everything that surround us and that's. why then humans we we had to be part of. a family part of a little tribe that. then became. bigger because we cannot all be good at. everything like you like your friends me.

like my. friends I'm I'm I. I I know the things I'm good at which. are not many but I know the things I'm. not good at in life, at work, whatever. Uh, surround yourself with. those people that cover your blind. spots. Surround yourself with friends that. cover your blind spots that make you. better. In the same way, you are going. to be making them better. Yes. Where. everybody covers each other's.

weaknesses. Yes. Well, you have to do. that in the kitchen, right? Ah, it's not. the way. Yeah. And everybody has to work. hard. I mean, that that is one of the. most underappreciated, grueling jobs is. to be a cook in a kitchen with 15 other. guys and women and everyone's running. around. Everyone's got a job. You got a. hundred people out there waiting to be. served. You're running around making. this and that and this and that and. orders are coming in.

and this is medium rare and this is that. and that is this. Well, I think this is. the ultimate power. the the ultimate. power is that power of being able to. feed. somebody. That's why for me I mean we. are all cooks in a way directly. indirectly. Um but but the power of feeding somebody. is the that's all the power I want to I. have to feed humanity not physically but.

even in a ways what you do you the. people that listen to you is you you are. feeding them you're feeding their soul. you're serving. yeah you're serving feeding is is But. you're feeding Yeah. I'm feeding food. But we are all We are all feeding each. other. We're feeding each other with. hope. We're hitting each other with. respect, with dignity, with love, right?

With food. Yes. But it's about feeding. Yeah. I'm going to feed you. Yes. And I. know you're going to feed me back. Yes. So in a in a way restaurants for me. um I love that my culinary. profession agreeing with you is a hard. one you know has come a long way has. come a long way I'm talking about you. know 30 40 years ago even in Spain if. depends where you live if you told your.

family you wanted to be a cook oh my god. was looking like was not a was not a. profession that was seen as wow you know. right why you're not going to be a. doctor you're not going to be an. architect I'm like what I have no family. member that went to university I have. uncles that went but my father my mother. didn't they they were nurses but but. but now my profession this profession. has become a profession that has been.

has become very dignified and it's more. than being a chef and a cook is the. restaurant business but of sure it's a. very difficult business. When When do. you think that changed and why did it. change? Well, it's nothing happens. overnight. Listen, I just had this. uh um. documentary on the last season of Chef. Table on Netflix where I am one of the. four chefs that on this. season they've done a documentary and.

they've done a documentary of my teams. and myself culinary life. You're going to see mini bar, my top. restaurant to star Michelin basar, everything else. But you're going to see. me telling stories about me cooking with. my mom and my dad. and Sorry. My god. And I didn't had a. cigar. yet. But my profession is slowly but.

surely because everybody cooks, right? I always talk about longer tables, but. this goes almost to the. beginning. A moment that was very. important in my life, talking about. cooks and chefs and restaurants and food. people and. feb is that the. first time I became a. dad, my daughter uh who is 26 years old. now,

Carl, an amazing John. human being. In the moment she came out. into the world as a father that I began. having tears. That's another moment you. realize that there's always so much. pressure on everybody. I feel as a young. man, I always had a lot of pressure to. to be the man everybody was expecting. you to be. And sometimes you felt like. nothing ever came with. instructions. You you had to, you know, I have to be a boyfriend. Well, okay.

What? What does that entail? What do I. do? Manual. I can be What is the right. then? Then you get married and. okay, I'm a husband. I'm going to fall. short of what being a husband is is I. need to be obviously a friend and a and. a provider, but my wife was working too. So, and actually I was without a job and. she was the one bringing the money in. They fire me uh from my same restaurant. like three time. A restaurant I've. always been part of, but technically I.

was even fired. You got fired three. times? Well, two technically and the. third almost I fired myself. What was. going on? Rightfully so. Let me Well, because they were right. I was too young. to be a chef of a restaurant and I'm a. creative guy, you know, the guy that. needs to run numbers and do food costs. and inventory and I was concentrated in. can we make the best food we can and new. dishes and and the restaurant needed. more numbers and food cost and labor and. and scheduling like what? I'm a cook.

I'm not I'm not a chef. I'm a cook. I. want to cook. I don't want to be running. numbers. So that's why. But anyway, life. comes without instructions and you. always are looking around. It's like, so. my daughter borns and it's like, okay, where are the instructions? I'm I I'm. barely aware of how to become a young. boy and and be part of now now I'm a. husband. Now I'm a father. I'm still. learning about everything and nothing. comes with instructions. But one thing I.

realized was one the lessons of. life. that moment that I had these. amazing tears of joy, of happiness, of. wow, I'm I'm a father. I I I was part or. at least I did my little tiny part. I. don't know if I did 1% and my wife the. 99 for obvious reasons. They carry it. for nine months and they they take the. burden of they actually make it. They. actually make it. But we do our our. little thing, right? Our our little.

thing that we put in there is. spermatoid. Yeah, just for the record, we contribute the ingredients. Correct. Correct. But that young girl comes to. the. wall and the moment uh I realize the. power of. food is when my wife gets the baby and. brings brings her to her first time. she's feeding. her. And I realized there the amazing.

power of food because the first gift we. receive in the form of a. tangible that sends a message of I'm. going to take care of. you. I'm going to love. you is through mother's milk. And if our mother cannot fix us, that's. a mother. It will be our dad with baby. formula or be the nurse or be the. grandma. But that moment that we are.

brought in in somebody's arms and we are. fat. That moment. seals. seals our connection with food forever. That's the moment that we are all. connected. Yes. to food in ways we. cannot escape for obvious reasons. We. need food to be. alive. But that only tells a little part.

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art form. I didn't realize it was an art. form until I started watching Anthony. Bourdain's show. Um, No Reservations, the original one on the Travel Channel. And then from being like really a big. fan of that show, I realized like, oh, this is art. And because of his. narration, his narration was so. brilliant because he wrote all the all. the descriptions of the cultures that he. would visit and the people and the. descriptions of the sh you could tell it.

was all in his language. It was in his. his mind and he wrote it all out. He. didn't have writers and script writers. He wrote all the narratives. And I think. then I realized through his passion for. food and his passion for cooking and for. and his his deep appreciation for other. chefs, it wasn't about him. It was and. he was always very self-deprecating to. his own abilities to cook. It was about. other people and how amazing these. people were and how he loved to go and.

visit them. And sometimes it was. someone's mother that would be just. cooking Sunday sauce, you know, some. Italian mother and he would have someone. translate what she was saying. He would. ask questions. It's like then I realized. like, oh, this is an art form. And I. never considered it was an art form. until I was a grown man. And I was a. little embarrassed by that. I It was. like, oh, that's a blind spot. Like food. is not just delicious. It's a form of. art. There's something to it that's uh. it's just an unheralded art form because.

everybody needs it. And it's not always. art. Like Twinkies aren't art, but it's. food. It's calories. You need to consume. it to to stay alive. You need food. So. you don't think of it, but when it's. done with passion and when it's done in. this creative way, it's like you talk. about it forever. It's a it's amazing. It's a it's like going to see an. incredible concert or it's like going to. see a movie that just rocks your world. It's the same thing. It's just someone. expressing themsel through a medium and.

that medium is food. And it's the. medium, the one medium that we all. consume. Everyone consumes that medium. When I talk to people and they say, "I. don't really care about food. It's just. fuel for me." I'm like, "Well, you're an. idiot." Like, you're missing out on. life. You're missing out on a giant. chunk of life, which is delicious food. And delicious food that you enjoy with. others, which is also part of food. Enjoying delicious food by yourself is. not nearly as fun as enjoying delicious. food with other people. There's. something communal about it which is.

goes back to our tribal ancestors. sitting around the campfire enjoying. something that we cooked and our mother. feeding us for the first time. Yes, I. miss Tony. Yeah, me too. Um me too. I. miss Tony. You know I did. [Music]. um you know we did we did few shows. together. He'll always invite me. Eric. Reaper, he did many shows with him and.

we spent a lot of time together, especially January's we'll gather in the. Cayman Islands. We did that for 15 years. for one week every January. Oh, really? Why the Cayman Islands? Because Eric has. a hotel there, a restaurant. Ah uh Eric. rep the nicest talented chef Leernard. Den restaurant of. restaurants and and Eric uh Tony and.

myself we call ourselves the three. amigos and we spend time together. smoking a cigar doing nothing walking on. the beach uh scuba. diving. Um so when when when. when it when when Tony. uh decided just used to move to his next. station in life and and left us uh I was. in Guatemala. I was actually with Went.

Kitchen uh was a big volcano there. volcano. Fuego and uh it broke my heart. Um, I. remember speaking to Eric that day and. just what happens was that less than a. month before I was with him in North. Spain, Atorias, the where I was born. shooting. uh what it became his last show. and and and for me obviously.

um um that was a hard a hard moment. Because it's not like I lost a friend in. a very selfish way and Eric and I know I. know so many hundreds of thousands. millions around the world lost a person. that in so many ways he he's probably. listening to us Joe and in in so many. ways when I listen to you uh you know.

you you sound like him but Tony speaks. like Tony and Joe you always speak like. Joe but in a way you are like. uh like like soulmates. Uh and and Antony always had those words. of wisdom. He always will be the voice. of the voiceless. He he didn't mind to speak his mind. He. didn't he was a very straightforward. shooter. He didn't try to to piss. anybody off. Only he wanted to be Tony,

right? Respectful but. Tony. and and because that um forever um. we will miss Tony even I think he he. never left he's here he's in so many in. so many parts of all of us. because his way of telling stories he. wishes to listen to the people telling. those stories and him becoming the. medium of making sure that we will learn. that the the world was a beautiful place.

I remember the story he did about Iran. He went to Iran. Like sometimes you. think about Iran and if you read the. news looks like the people of Iran they. are and you see the show they're like. man Iranian people are great people. Yeah. Blame the leader maybe of the. leaders but the Iranian people they're. good people. They're like you are like. me. You maybe look different. Maybe they. have a different language. maybe and.

obviously we know a lot of Iranians who. are here in America and they're. wonderful people. So he show what he did. the legacy of Tony is that he show us. that the world is not such a scary place. that it's okay to open yourself to the. world. What we were talking before about. people that they get into their cocoon. and they don't want to. move beyond their comfort zone. Tony, show us that the people that are not.

like. us, they're actually okay. They're just. different people that they are going to. expand our horizons and our thoughts. about life. That was Tony. And he did it. through foot and he did it through his. amazing amazing poetry. Yeah. Yeah, that's perfectly said. Yeah. It took a. long time for me to be able to watch his. show after he was gone. I love the. painting you have in the entrance. Yeah. What a And I I didn't cry because.

lately I've been trying to hold my. tears, not because I feel a man should. not cry. I'm a guy that cries easily and. I love it. I'm I'm But when I I saw it, first thing I come out of the I open the. door and there is this beautiful big. portrait of Tony and I'm like, "Okay, I. have a feeling I'm home." Yeah. I've got a couple. I've got another one. I'll show you that I have that's in. another part of the studio. I got a lot.

of art in the studio, luckily. It's. nice. I love art. I just love being. around people's expressions, you know, different things that people have. created. I just love things that people. make. I really that's if there's. anything that I couldn't live without in. this world, I I need to be around. people's creations. It's very important. to me. I like seeing it. I like it to be. all over the walls. So like it'd be. everywhere. I want to touch it. I want. to see it, you know. And when um I found out he was gone.

because um my friend Maynard, he's the. lead singer of Tulle. And you know, Tony. had really gotten into jiu-jitsu and. that's how uh one of the ways I was. friends with him before that, but that's. one of the ways that Tony and I got. closer is that you know, he knew I was a. black belt and I was been I've been. doing jiu-jitsu for decades. And so he. would ask me questions and when we were. doing the show together, it was really. funny when I did uh one episode of No. Reservation, we went pheasant hunting in. Montana and uh part of the day he's.

asking me how to finish darst choke. So. he and I are on the ground on the dirt. and I'm saying now when you're in this. pos like I'm showing him how to strangle. people in the dirt. So we're like. wearing hunting clothes and boots and. everything like that and I'm like no no. no this way and then trap the head here. and turn it like this. So, we're like, I'm like, "Now, do it to me. Do it to. me." Like, we're working with each other. like on the ground and he's like. fascinated by this martial art. And I. thought it was wonderful because like.

he's this sensitive, creative, poetic. guy, but he found the beauty in. jiu-jitsu, which is like to the outside. person who's the uninformed, it looks. like this. brutal caveman activity, but it's not. It's a very complicated, intelligent, creative martial art. And. he was obsessed with it. And he didn't. start doing it until he was 58 years. old, which is kind of crazy, but he. really got obsessed with it. Entered. into tournaments, age appropriate.

tournaments, and did really well and was. was training every day, sometimes twice. a day, like got was taking private. lessons and like really got obsessed. with I can tell you that because when we. were shooting in Atorias and few other. places, Cayman. Islands, one of the things he always did. is finding. out where was the local jujitsu. Yeah. Hanging place and it's very funny in no. was a place and he will go there and for. one two hours he will be use fighting.

against local guys. Uh so was. fascinating to see how even on weeks. that he was supposed to be concentrated. on shooting, he always found time. Yeah. To do what he love. So Maynard is all. Maynard got his black belt recently and. Maynard was also like very into. jiu-jitsu and they were he was joking. around like maybe one day he and Tony. would have a celebrity jiu-jitsu match. So I'm in Chicago. I'm doing shows in. Chicago and I get a text message from. Maynard and says, "Uh, so much for that.

celebrity jiu-jitsu. match and I'm like, what does that. mean?" And so I'm like, I don't even. know what that means. That was the. moment. And then I Google and I I have. this feeling and then I just the news. and then it all hits me. I'm like, oh. [ __ ] There's moments when people take. their own life where the worst feeling. is I feel like if I was there I could. have stopped him from doing that. That. that's the feeling. You know the feeling. like you just was.

alone. You know sometimes you just know. you're not alone and you're going to be. okay. Like whatever you think is going. to be the worst thing that's happening. here, it's not. You're loved. You're. loved. You're an amazing person. There's. so much more to see. You don't want to. leave these people behind. You don't. want to hurt them. You don't want to. hurt these people in your life. You. don't want to hurt your family. You. don't want to hurt your daughter. You. don't want to hurt your wife. Don't do. it. I know it feels impossible, but it's. cuz you're alone. And it's, you know,

sometimes you I I don't know. Maybe I. wouldn't have been able to do anything. Maybe I'm wrong. But there's that. haunting feeling that you I could have. talked to him. I could. man that feeling [ __ ] sucks. that. feeling of I if I just have had a if I. could have if I was there with him I. think we could have had some laughs. We. could have joked around about some stuff. and we would have been okay. That's you know I I I.

I bet you feel the same way, right? And. and I think that's something I didn't. close yet. Um, obviously I'm not going. to talk on behalf of. Eric. U, but Eric was so. strong and Eric obviously was shooting. with him in France when that happened. and and actually is the one that found. him in. the in his. room. Um, and and I understand that.

feeling because I'm still going through. it. uh and it's okay to feel. responsible because that means you care. for those. people. But the message here is that we. all need to be checking always on each. other. Yeah, that's what friends are. for. obviously for the celebration of. your team winning the NBA or or or or. having a beer or the birthday or a party. or or celebrating life or or playing.

darts or just having beers with with no. plan. What are you doing tonight? Yeah, I'm having a beer. I'm joining you. Great. That's great. The celebrations, that's what we're here for. But but the. true the true moments of friendship. obviously are those moments that even. even you show up when you are not. invited because you. feel you feel something maybe is. off and it's okay to knock on the door.

It's okay to pick up the phone. It's. okay to maybe get on a plane. It's okay. to and obviously I guess like you now uh. Joe that I'm learning about and and. gives me gives me joy to see that here. another person that really love Tony and. Eric and myself and so many others. around the beautiful life of Tony that. we wish we were there. Right. Yeah. So I.

think if anything that's the I don't. think it's a lesson. is only let's. always be there for each other. Yeah. Let's always be there for each other and. let's all be even if especially when we. disagree about anything. Yeah. Just. let's be kinder to each other even on. the disagreements. Yeah. Uh of the people you know and of the. people you don't know. Right. Because we. are all more connected than we think.

and what we say and what and our. opinions they may be touching and. affecting somebody else, somebody else. we know, somebody we don't know. So. that's okay to celebrate the good times. and agree all the time when we can, but. there'll be moments that you don't or. moments of sadness or moments of hate or. just be be kinder even in those moments. of disagreements. If anything, that's the lesson I always. take with me because you don't know what.

anybody may be going through, right? You. don't know what anybody may be going. through. Another lesson that I've taken. with me is that any conflict that I've. ever had with a person, even if I was. correct, even if I was right in being. angry, even if I was right in the the. mean things that I said, I never felt. good afterwards. But every good. interaction that I've ever had where. maybe me and a person disagreed, but we. came out of it smiling and hugging and. we we found common ground, then I feel.

great. Always always feel great. You. know, I just there's going to be people. that you run into in life that are. stubborn and they don't want to avoid. conflict. They want that conflict. They. feed off of it. They're stupid. Whatever. Not even stupid. They're on a. bad path. They're on a bad They have a. bad programming. They have bad. whatever the patterns of behavior that. are ingrained in their consciousness, they're unforgiving and they're, you. know, they they have this this way of.

living their life and it's not a good. way and you know, you can't fix. everybody. So, you just got to when you. encounter those people, you have to be. able to filter people out of your life. You have to know like some people you. can't interact with, but the people that. you can just try to try to not have. conflict. I don't want any conflict. I'm. not interested in it. I'm I'm good at. it. I know how to do conflict. Like I do. literally do it professionally. Sure, you can break the you can break the neck. of anybody. But but I mean even verbal. conflict, I'm not interested in it. I'm.

not interested in physical conflict and. I'm not interested in verbal conflict. It's just not it's it's not what I like. out of life. What I like out of life is. fun and joy and and and being around. interesting people and challenges and. doing difficult things and creative. things and learning learning about. myself, learning about other people, learning about life. Conflict is just a. distraction from your own personal. demons for the most part. It's a lot of. what it is. When you're angry at other. people, a lot of times you're really.

distracting yourself from the things you. don't like about yourself. It's a flaw. And uh I try to filter it out as much as. possible in my life. I'm not interested. in it. Yeah. I'm trying to be I'm trying. to become the best version of myself on. that. It's the second most important. word we can always use in in our. vocabulary. The second most important. Yeah. is thank you. But the most. important one is sorry. Yeah. Because. thank you is people have a hard time. saying thank you. Me I try to use the.

word thank you often. uh as much as I can, but because God. knows I'm an imperfect man, the word. sorry is the one I also try to use as. quick as I can. Yeah. And mean it. And. mean it. Yeah. That's the thing. Don't. say sorry because you you want someone. to not be mad at you. Be say sorry. because you're actually sorry and you. are doing your best to Yeah. to change. Yeah. your your your effort or your. behavior or the way you you raise your.

voice or you. But thank you is important. Second most. important most important is sorry. Yeah. Because it takes also it takes humility. to say sorry. A lot of people will never. say sorry. That's terrible. It's. terrible to walk through life with no. humility. It's just so. stupid. That's such a silly way to go. through life with no humility. Like why? Life is such a beautiful. place especially when you are in. obviously in cities you can see how.

beautiful life is even but when you are. in a chure and you're seeing the. sunrise or you're seeing the sunset or. you're seeing the moon and you see how. little you are. Yeah. How insignificant. you are but at the same time how God. gave us this power to be part of this. amazing universe we are part of. Mhm. And then you you are thankful there. because you are like, "Oh my god, I am a. part of something so.

beautiful." And we all occupy a space on. that universe. And the space we occupy. should be to to don't make it worse. If. anything, leave it as it is. And if you. can do whatever you can just to make a. little bit better, right? And that's our. destiny in this universe. Yes. You only. need to don't [ __ ] it up. That's [ __ ] it. up. And if you can do a little bit more, even better. Me when I am in those. places like I go to the south of Spain.

and my wife is from there. Kadith is. where where I did my military service in. the Spanish Navy. And it's one moment. not too far away from Gibralar, the. little possession that England has there. in the south of Spain that maybe one day. England gives it back to to Spain. There. is a place that almost you can touch. Africa. You feel like you can with your. finger touch Africa in the straight of.

Gibralar. And it's just like even a. movie cannot recreate the amazing place. you are with birds and the oceans, the. Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean and. two continents that want to love each. other, but they are separate. that that. body of water there. I look and I began. circling my head in 360° and I'm like, "Oh my god, the what a beautiful planet. we live in." Yeah. Let's not [ __ ] it up.

What a beautiful universe. You know, I um one time when my oldest. daughter was very. young, we went to Hawaii. We went to the. big island and just on a lark just for. fun. We went to the uh top of the. observatory. um at uh is it. Monacaya? Um the KEK Observatory, whatever mountain it is. And we were. driving up there and they said, "Well,

if it's a cloudy night, it's terrible. You can't see anything. Um but maybe. you'll get lucky and there'll be some. stars. You'll be able to see the stars.". So, we're driving and as we're driving, I was telling my wife, "Look at all the. clouds. This sucks. We're going to get. up there and then we drive even further. It's a long drive. It's like a 90-minute. drive through the mountains." As we got. further, we drove through the clouds and. the crowds were below us cuz it's very. high. And the stars were. magnificent. It was insane. You saw the.

whole Milky Way. The the entire sky was. filled with stars. there's no light. pollution because the Big Island has. diffused lighting and uh they have. specific lighting just because the. observatory that doesn't give light. pollution so you could see all the stars. from up there. And I remember that day. like is yesterday. Every day I think. every time I see the stars I'm like. we're so [ __ ] by cities because we. can't see what this really looks like. That's what it looks like. That's what. it looked like at night. And I remember. thinking why don't we see that every.

day? Like the universe is so. fascinating. Put you in your place. Oh. my god. Like you are in a convertible. spaceship and you're hurling through the. galaxy and the only thing that's. protecting you from everything else is a. layer of gas. A layer of gas that. surrounds this beautiful planet. Of. course is life in one of those star. systems. Oh, 100%. It is is more than in. one. Oh, yeah. We're I think we're just. little babies and they're not ready to.

let us know yet. Well, that's what I. think. I'm sure they're trying. Some of. them I think they're trying to contact. others like we are. I think some of them. have been here. I had a guy on. yesterday. His name is Hal Putoff. He's. a physicist that's been working with the. government with this stuff forever. He. said they have 10 retrieved crafts that. are of nonhuman intelligence. 10 that. the United States is in possession of. And he said they during the Bush. administration, dur George Bush's admin. administration, they were contemplating. disclosure to the American people and.

they wanted to get all these physicists. and scientists and. psychologists to make a list of things. that would be negatively impacted by. disclosure and things that would be. positively impact by disclosure and give. them a numerical value like a 0 to 10. value. And when they calculated it all. up, at the end of the day, the cons. outweighed the pros and they decided not. to disclose. So during the Bush. administration, during George Bush's.

administration, during 9/11, during that. time, that time period, they were. contemplating, this is 2004, they were. contemplating having disclosure and. releasing to people the fact that we are. in possession of nonhuman intelligent. crafts. They have recovered biological. entities, meaning beings from another. planet that are preserved that we have. and that nonhuman crafts are visiting. this planet or might not even be.

visiting. They might actually be here. They might have bases in the ocean. They. might have bases somewhere in the. mountains, but that this is a real. thing. So he started working on this in. 2004 and he's he's you know 100%. convinced that we're not alone. There's. been movies about it. This is. uh counters some 51. Area 51. Area 51. Listen. um nothing will give me more joy. As a.

young boy I I always thought, man, could. I be the guy that finds ET? It wouldn't. be cool. Yeah. Um, and especially if. scenes is a. good alien piece that is an alien piece. of goodness. Imagine imagine it's a science fiction. movie and planets like us is part of. Yeah. Let's say they're here, you know, and let's say that all.

the, you know, junk food and extra. calories and the obesity pandemic is. actually something like this alien. civilization has. orchestrated. Uh, and so as we become. fatter, uh, they're going to be able to. recollect more protein to take back to. their. planets. Okay, that can be a great next. big movie. and then we'll eat seeds and. they'll take it with us and they'll put. us in their planet and at our stomachs.

we'll have potatoes in their fields. I. don't know. But I only will say that if. that already happened and the government. the US government number one seems. everything only happens in America. All. the great movies of the world everything. happens in America. all the science. fiction movies and me as a young boy. like that's why I wanted to come to. America because man the aliens never. visit Spain it's always America. everything cool always happens in. America and that's I guess where I.

wanted to come but I will say that if. already something like that happen and. we've not invaded again means that that. they're good aliens let's hope. but I will say that at this moment And. our government will be already sharing. with all of us. something that will forever change the. present and the future of humanity. You. think they would already share it? Why. not? No, I'll tell you why not. Cuz he. explained it to me yesterday. There's a.

bunch of problems. One of one of the. problems is they've been studying this. stuff for decades. Studying this stuff, back engineering, crafts, all that stuff. takes money. And the way they get that. money is by lying. They lie to Congress. So they misappropriate funds. So they. lie about where money is going, which. puts people in jail. So in order for. them to tell the truth, they have to. open themselves up to serious criminal. prosecution. Like you you're you're in. deep trouble. You've misappropriated. funds. You've lied to Congress. And.

there's probably some fraud involved in. that, too. As soon as you get a bunch of. people that can lie to Congress, who. knows where all the money went. You. know, money's moving around. And then. there's also the fact that the way you. work on these crafts, you have to use. defense contractors because they're the. ones who make jets. They're the ones who. make spaceships. Like you can't do it on. your own. You have to bring in these. scientists. So you have to bring in. private industry. So when you bring in. private industry, now you have the. United States government, the. intelligence agencies embedded in.

private industry. And then their. competitors suffer. So if the. competitors go under, then the. competitors could sue. Hey, you gave, you know, whatever Rathon. You gave. Rathon this special generator that. you've backgineered from some flying. saucer. Why didn't you give it to. General Electric? Why didn't you give it. to this company or that company? It's. like it's all Loheed Martin. It's all. there's too many problems in terms of. legal. ramifications, prosecutions, people are.

going to lose their careers. They're. going to be brought in front of. Congress. They're going to have to. testify. The only way they're going to. really have disclosure at this point is. amnesty. The government is going to have. to say, "Listen, let's let the past be. the past. No one's going to get in. trouble, but for the greater good of. humanity, we need to know what the [ __ ]. is going on. So, tell us what's going. on." And that's a that's a tough. question. So, you mentioned about aliens. living in the ocean. That's Atlantis. Well, it's not Atlantis, but but it's.

Atlantis, which is a city under the. water, which No, Atlantis was a city. above the correct, but technically. somewhere submerged, and still they're. looking for Atlantis. Well, they think. they found the pyramids. The pyramids. and some of the Mhm. drawings and. paintings that uh I mean we can go to. Peru with the Incas and we can go with. the Mayas to Guatemala and it's a lot of. people that always they've been trying. to make connections of things they found.

that they say already we made contact in. previous civilizations of planet Earth. but I have a hard time believing that. this has already happened and I respect. the opinion of obviously who looks seems. he's an expert and they spend a lot of. time and I see that you believe in it. The side of me that is the boy that will. want to believe that there are other. planets with people and we are not alone.

I will be full of joy. Yes. So hopefully. unless that they're good people and that. happens that you and I and everybody. else around the world maybe that's the. moment that the world becomes one and. all of the sudden we are all fighting. You remember what was the movie. independence day. If they are the bad. guys, you and I, you will be doing. jujitsu against an alien species and me. I will be with two pens I don't know.

crashing their heads. But let's hope. that they are more like it. Yeah. Uh no. like uh alien. Well, I would imagine if. you look at the trajectory of human life. on this planet, the world is safer than. it's ever been. People are smarter than. they've ever been. People are more. aware. We have more access to. information. And generally generally. people are kinder and less tolerant of. evil than they have ever been before.

There's still problems with just the. tribal nature of human beings. We're, you know, we're territorial apes. I. mean, that's what we are. Um, but I. would imagine that if they are so. sophisticated that they're capable of. traversing solar systems, traversing. galaxies, and reaching us, they've. beyond they're beyond that stuff. If. they weren't and they have reached us, they could have destroyed us a thousand. times over by now. We could destroy.

ourselves a thousand times over. We with. our inability to go to other galaxies, we could destroy ourselves. So, for. sure, they could destroy us. I don't. think that's what they're interested in. I think we are an emerging civilization. in the galactic sense. And I think that. if you look at primitive man and you. look at primitive primates and you look. at current human beings and our. technological achievements and our all. of our medical achievements and our.

ability to feed enormous groups of. people and our concern about the. environment and all the things that make. us so special as human beings. I would. imagine that that would be even more. advanced with these species. I think. that's the only way they're visiting us. I don't obviously Yeah, I don't think. you get to us. Yeah, you don't you don't. get to us if you're still tribal. territorial apes. Technically, they say. that a speed light will be almost even. if we are able to achieve a speed light.

that that that our human body. itself will not be able right whatever. that means. But now we see that we can. be sending our conscience in other ways. without our physical body. physical. body. This could be happening one day. Me, what I know, the thing I'm. interested on is. I wish I will be alive when we put the. first restaurant in the moon or the. first restaurant in Mars and I will be.

there just cooking for the first people. arriving. I done my little part. Many. chefs, many chefs, many, you know, they've done thanks to NASA their work. and they put their mark on food that has. been sent to the space station. Yeah. I. did it uh in 2016, 2017. My dream was to send pa, the Spanish. rice dish to the space station. You sent. it to the space station and I I I I was. able to partner with a company called. Axiom, Axi O, which is one of the.

companies helping provide services to. NASA uh to bring uh astronauts and they. will do it also with civilians to the. space station and was a Spanish uh. astronaut, a Spanish American astronaut. uh called Lopeia and he is like Jose in. Axium we will be interested if you want. to do a dish because we are going to be. feeding all the astronauts in one of our. first trips and if you are up to it and.

I say, "Yep, what do I have to sign?". And we sent Eberham, we sent pa. Valenciana, we sent a pork dish with. pisto, which is like a ratatouille, a. Spanish ratatouille. Um, and I did it. That's amazing. But you know the thing I. did which is the coolest? What? Because. all of that brings new things and new. opportunities. So it's this guy called. Jim Sears, an amazing engineer, a guy. that is crazy for a space like you, like.

me, like so. many. And like everything there is a. competition and the competition is. about right now astronauts receive the. food already cooked come in those. pouches, semi-pures, liquids that they. pour into their mouth and blah and and. certain things are okay. The rice we did. I thought was very good. Even we had a. little issue. We tried to make the pa. too by the book and the pay at the end.

was little bit too dry as a traditional. pa is meaning the grains of rice are. fairly loose and separated one from each. other which on earth is a sign of a good. pa. But in the space, if you open the. pouch, all of the sudden you start. having all those. little rice floating in the station, and. there is the moment you want chopsticks. like, "Oh my god." Uh, I I was on the.

edge of collapsing the space station by. Zen Paya. What I've been working on with this guy. I mentioned, Jim Sears, is that he came. up with a kitchen that will. be the kitchen and he won a competition. The kitchen that astronauts could use. one day, hopefully soon enough, save it. And and and that gym, amazing guy, Jim. Sears, and it's two prototypes of this. machine. He gave us the prototypes. My.

team has been working on. them. Macaroni and cheese. Macaroni. That cherries. He's Look at that's a. cornbread. That's a cornbread. And I. want you to take a look because this is. how food will look in in a space. If one. day we have a kitchen in in the surface. of the moon uh or in Mars, that's a. brownie. And and and if uh Yeah. And if. you. are Elon Mus if you're listening to this. conversation a space foot will look like.

this kind of circle this circumference. because that machine what it does is. centrifuge. like G forces can go up to G14th that's. a lot of ye and the reason is that we. will send ingredients but the. ingredients will float if you don't. achieve the centriuge that will move the. ingredients to the sides of this kind of. kitchen where you don't cook in the. bottom but you cook on the sides you.

will not be able to cook because you. need you need con you need that gravity. that g forces to bring the food to the. edges then you can do mac and cheese. brownies and this will be great because. especially if when they will go to Mars. astronauts are going to have to be doing. something to keep their minds for and. one of the things will be cooking why. not and better quality cooking. This. amazing guy, Mr. Sears, is the guy that. just came up with the kitchen and I'm I.

feel like I'm Forest Gump in a in a chef. heart that then you get the. opportunities to get something like a. kitchen that one day could be the. kitchen that will feed humans uh in a. space. And that would be so great for. morale, too, because instead of eating. goop out of a tube, you're eating. delicious food. So you can enjoy a real. meal in space. What a genius idea to. cook in a centuge to spin it around so.

it has gravity. It's only early only. option if you have like my rice floating. in the floating everywhere and and and. it's like excuse me. Hey chicken leg, come back here. Hello. Like hello. Oh, the fish is going. away. Red snapper, come back to me, baby. Yeah, you got it. But that's cool. that. So yeah, listen to me. I love I. love science fiction. I comics about. science fiction. Oh my god, I have a big.

collection of comics of manga and if has. to do with food even more, but about the. space even more and and yeah, one day I. hope yeah, we'll meet we'll meet aliens. and they'll be good people and and we'll. be great people and hopefully we will. not, you know, get we we will not charge. them any tariffs so we can do good. commerce. uh and maybe they will bring a different. species of animals to increase our diet.

Well, I would imagine that let's hope. it's that. Okay, let's hope it's that. and it's not as I said that they are. waiting for planet earth to be 10 20. billion people all of us obese. Uh. that's why the best. way people of America the best way to. fight against an alien invasion of. planet earth is that we all stay fit. We don't get overweight and we are lean.

a lot of muscle, not a lot of fat. Because that day that alien civilization. will learn that we are not we are not a. harvest worth having because we are too. lean and they cannot feed their own. planets. Well, I don't think that's a. good strategy because I think some of. the most delicious food is wild game and. wild game is very lean, you know. Um. Okay. Uh I think it's a terrible. strategy. I think what we really you're. right our our real hope is that they've.

moved beyond that. I think we our real. hope is that they've moved beyond. commerce. That's the real hope. I mean. everybody's all Look, I'm not saying. communism is good because it's terrible. Communism doesn't work with human beings. because we're not prepared for. communism. But I do think that if we. evolve past these primate instincts that. we have and we. genuinely develop some sort of a sense. of real intimacy and community with. everybody on earth, we would share.

resources. Yes. And our real fascination would be. in contributing to whether it's. contributing to knowledge, contributing. to art, contributing to whatever it is. instead of constant competition. And our. competition would be with ourselves to. make better things and to do better and. to achieve better. But that's going to. have to come with we're going to have to. evolve past the way we interact with. each other. And I think we're slowly.

doing that. I think human beings are. slowly but surely doing that. And when. you have like well-minded people who. want to embrace Marxism and socialism, I. think that's that's really the heart of. it. It's like, well, it's a good idea at a bad time. We're not prepared for that as as human. beings. But I think if we get to a point. where we could all read each other's. minds, which I think is on the horizon, we get to a point where information is. instantaneous, we get to a point where. how do you have money if money is ones.

and zeros and then there's no such thing. as encryption anymore because you have. quantum computing. And so you can't just. keep money. You can't just get We're. gonna have to develop a way as we. advance as a society, as a species to. share resources, to share resources in. an a a genuinely equitable way. It's. beyond our comprehension now as. territorial apes. But I think that's the. future of the human species is that one. day we reach this peak where we realize.

that our true competition is within. ourselves within our own minds and to do. the best that we can for the overall. greater good of the species and then. hopefully the greater good of the. universe itself and building longer. tables. Building longer tables where. what is good for you is good for me. Yes. Take a look take a look at India. and Pakistan right now. Right. I know. right now is many issues that religion. ter territory but one of them is water.

right resources resources. Yes. And. which is really everybody's it's the. world's resources. And what do we do to. make sure that as you said, what is good. for me must be good for you. And well, we we have to stop making the same. mistakes over and over and over again. And those same mistakes involve. conflict. Brings it back to conflict and. war and, you know, and people leading. groups of people that don't understand.

what's going on and and forcing them to. do things that are horrific. Do you. think if more women will be in power? No. Will it be less less war? No. No. That's not going to do it. I mean, it's. a great idea, but you have a woman boss. They they turn into tyrants, too. It's. human beings. It's human beings should. not have power over large groups of. human beings because power corrupts and. absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. It. almost always does. the that's why. there's so many checks and balances in. our system of government, you know, to.

try to try to mitigate the impact of. human psychology when they achieve great. power over everyone else because people. just become tyrants. And I think that is. the hurdle. That's the hurdle to become. becoming a part of the galactic. civilization. The hurdle is we have to. get past that. We have to evolve as a. species. And my suspicion is that. somehow technology plays a part in that. And the interconnectivity that we're. achieving through technology is going to.

advance our ability to understand each. other. And it's going to advance our. ability to communicate. And it's going. to force us to come up with some sort of. a new way to uh share resources. Obviously, the biggest resource for me. is food and is water. Well, for. everyone, but then we have everything. else. But that that's the the one thing. you absolutely need for survival. You. don't re you need fossil fuels because. of the way society is engineered. That's.

why you need fossil fuels because we've. gone in that way. You know, this is the. real suspicion about ancient. civilizations is that they figured out a. way a different way to achieve great. results that they did like the the. civiliza like ancient Egypt. To this. day, we have no idea what how they did. that. How did they how did they make. those pyramids? How do they do it? What. do they do? Why? How did they do it? At. the very least 4,500 years ago. Many. people suspect that's far older than. that. I'm one of them. I think I think. civilizations have been around a long. long time. And I think there's been.

catastrophes and there's a lot of. physical evidence that point to those. catastrophes. But the the idea is that. at one point in time, so our technology. has evolved at a very specific path. Our. technology has been the industrial. revolution, the invention of the. internal combustion engine, electronics, and all these things have led us to this. incredible level of sophistication that. we enjoy now that's so much different. than people that lived just 200, 300. years ago. My suspicion is that the.

people of Egypt, the people of Turkey, there's a lot of other places of the. world, they achieved very similar levels. of sophistication with completely. different methods that are lost that are. lost in history. And. We know for a fact that there was an. immense catastrophe. This is the. catastrophe that's written in the Bible. This is the epic of Gilgamesh. This is. Noah's arc. This is this is so many. cultures share these stories of a great. civilization that was wiped out by a.

great catastrophe. And science now. believes that that is the younger dest. period. The younger d impact theory is. this theory that we were hit by comets. somewhere around 11,800 years ago and it. essentially wiped civilization out, brought us back to baseline again. We. were tribal hunter gatherer people again. and then we reinvented. civilization 6,000 years 7,000 years. later. That's what I think. Food was. wiped out. No, food was here. Food's.

always been here. We've always need. food. But if if you get hit by comets. and there and it's been much recent. events on volcanoes. Sure. Covering very. much the high parts of our atmosphere. Oh yeah. And that then we had very bad. harvest because there was not enough sun. to produce enough food. Yeah. And those. were very dark moments for uh humanity. One of my big worries is precisely that. Yes. that right now we live in a moment. that yes we have wars, we have.

conflicts, but still I believe we live. in a great moment in humanity that is. full of opportunities. If we have the right leaders that want. to bring the best angels within all of. us and not just to rely on cheap. politics of bringing the worst demons, not making each other fight each other, but making each other respect and love. each other even when we disagree. Yes. And that's why for me foot is the. ultimate uniter. Yes. Because especially.

in emergencies, I've seen that in the. worst moments of. humanity, the best of humanity shows up. Yeah, you're right. It's true. Because. as we mentioned at the beginning, the lovely. mother feeding moment that unites you. Food is the best way to tell somebody, I. love you. I'm here with you. I'm going. to respect you and I'm not going to let. you alone. Yeah. And this is why for me going to.

emergencies through my lifetime in the. last 15 years especially is the moment. I've been seeing this moment of light of. hope of saying is in these worst moments. of humanity is so much love where there. is no religion, no color, no political. party. It's only people helping people. That tells me that food is this thing. that people in a table can have a. conversation about more meaningful. things and then gets deeper than that.

Yeah. Gets deeper. on what I said before I think is the. biggest power anybody can have. What's. the one thing we all need? But the power. of feeding others. And I think we're. taking this power for granted. Governments are being cocky. I think we. feel like it's enough food to feed. planet Earth. And you mentioned before. about these, how do you say it in. English? Cataclysm. Cataclysmic. Yeah. Moments. Yeah. Let's say for a second. because I've been there that the perfect.

storm happens. You know, you know how. much food we have more or less on planet. Earth to feed the eight plus billion. people. We. are 90. days. 90 days. Let's say it's 100. It's. no more, right? It's no more. 120. Let's. say it'll be different people. I would. like to know the number because I think. that's very important for national. security. But I've seen in the first. year in the same year I've seen backto. back category 5.

hurricanes hitting Central America big. food. producers parts of uh the United States. with big foot food production. the. Caribbean. I've seen typhoons in Asia at. the same time hitting very big food. production areas. At the same time, droughts in South America at the same. time that we had hurricanes with a lot. of water in Central America, droughts in. Asia wiping out rice production. at the.

same time pest. three four countries in. Africa with a couple of insects wiping. out the entire harvest of that year wars. like Ukraine Ukraine the grain they. export feeds close to 500 million people. a year and few other things. I'm I'm forgetting put everything. together in the shaker. and if it happens.

We go from we have enough food to feed. humanity but the problem is that we are. not good enough in in making sure that. the voiceless and the very poor get. their share of food to one day the. newspapers of the world will say today. we don't have enough food to feed. humanity this could be happening. obviously I want to think about the. happy moments about my restaurants and. all the restaurants of the world full. the supermarkets full and everybody. eating and every mother and father being.

able to bring a plate of food to their. children in America and in every country. overseas when everybody has food on the. table. The place is a most a more. peaceful place and a happy place and a. hopeful place. But I'm worried that day. that may be happening and that's not. science fiction. No, it's not science. fiction at all. But one day we wake up, remember America, the richest country in. the history of humanity with the most. talent in the history of of humanity.

American talent and talent that came. from. overseas with inventions. with wow looking at the stars and. dreaming about going to the moon and. Mars and who knows what else. Um, you know, I'm I'm I'm just worried. we. are taking food for granted in the way. that not too long ago, America run of. baby formula for babies. The United. States of. America had no baby formula for every.

American family to provide baby formula. to their. children. And that seems it's a little. thing, but was an issue. it became an. issue and now we could read it on the. press but this was real families with. money no problem we could get it. somebody will bring it from overseas but. poor families they were having a hard. time finding that baby formula that only. tells me that we take food for granted. and that's why I've been always asking.

that we need to have a national food. security advisor near the year of the. president of the United States near the. president of every country to make sure. that food is know an afterthought, but. food is something we give it more. importance. Well, I think we have a real. hard time imagining things going badly. When things aren't going badly, when. things aren't going badly, like right. now, we concentrate on getting more. I. want more stuff. I want more this. I. want more of that. I want to get better. I want to make more money. I want to be.

more famous. I want to be more popular. Whatever it is, but all it takes is one. super volcano. All these things that. you're saying, these are all possible. war, famine, disease, pestilence, all. that stuff's possible. But you know what. else? One super volcano, Yellowstone. Yellowstone blows every 6 to 800,000. years. And it's a continent killer. If. it goes, the whole the whole world's. [ __ ] We have nuclear winter for. decades. Like, who knows how long it. lasts with the dust in the sky. There's. going to be no crops. And people are. just going to starve to death. There's.

no ifands or buts about it. If it blows, most of us here are dead. Most of us. And most of us like there's a there was. a super volcano the Toba volcano in uh I. believe it was 70,000 years ago they. think brought humanity down to a few. thousand people and that could happen. again but it's very difficult for us to. think that way. It's very difficult for. us to imagine how things could be bad. That mean people that if you have a good.

bottle of wine that is very expensive. and you are waiting for it to that. moment in your life, remember what your. Rogan said here. Drink it. tonight. Drink it. tonight. Don't keep it for tomorrow. Yeah. Drink it today. Yeah. I mean, makes sense, right? But I think you're. right too that we should probably. prepare for the worst and also un figure. out ways to mitigate it. Put some. resources in to figure out ways to.

mitigate the negative impacts of things. like this. Like maybe have some massive. food storage somewhere. If we have. enough money to have massive weapon. storage, why don't we have enough money. to have massive food storage? You know, food storage that could keep the human. race alive for years while we figure. things out, you know? Um 100% agree. Obviously we have uh. seats like almost the great but if no. sunlight correct but but we've done. things like we have a library of seats.

Yeah. Okay. No huge. We need a library. of non-p perishable foods. Uh totally. somewhere underground. Um again as I. said we have only food for so many right. weeks produced around the world. Uh. Japan right. now has like in the same way in the. United States obviously uh we have um. the reserves of fuel right we have gas. reserves in case something happens and.

then the governments and the presidents. use that reserve in Japan they have rice. reserves and those rice reserves they. are not barely ever. touched they're there because in case. something happens, the government wants. to have the possibility to Japan has. been releasing those rice reserves for. different reasons because it's been. um the harvest of rice, they've not been. as good as they were supposed to. Uh.

it's a shortage of rice, the prices are. going up. So, it's a whole bunch of. things. So, they release those rice. reserves and they're able to control the. price. But here is more than controlling. the price uh because inflation and other. issues. This is because the rice has not. been flowing through the market in the. ways the Japanese society is used to. Right? So it's only food for. thought. China has 7% of the farm uh.

land but has. 15% of the world population. We need to make sure that 7% of the farm. land but they have to feed 15% of the. world population. When you see that. China is very interested in buying land. in Africa in. America that they help ports in many. countries in Africa. Well, if you are. the leader of China and you want to feed. your people. Yeah. Um what will you do.

to make sure that you you don't only. produce at home but if you cannot. produce enough at home, right? Even. every country should do more to be a. better food producer on the land we. have. America has done well on that. front. But China is smart. They're. investing overseas. Why? Because they. need to make sure that they keep feeding. their population. It's a smart thing to. do. Especially in a in a regime that we. could argue is nondemocratic regime and. is authoritarian, right? Uh even every.

time I've been to China, my god, I can. never wait to go back. I think is a. beautiful country to visit. Uh it's a. country that as a tourist I don't know. it's it's amazing place to visit. It's. just I cannot wait to go back because I. think it's a very cool place. Good food, ancient civilization, great culture, great learnership. But going back to. food, food is is one guy called. Briata. 1826. A guy that died that year or the.

year after. I I own a first edition of. this book. I bought it when I was very. young. I I I had to work like like three. three months used to save the money to. buy that book. I collect all what's the. book called? The phys the physiology of. taste. physiology and tell Briat Sabaran is the. guy that said tell me what you. eat and I will tell you who you are. And.

this is a book from 18 what? 26. When. was the printing press created? I don't. get Is this a handwritten book? No, no, that's it's a printing press. No, no, that's printing press. Yeah, this is it. here. Briad and I own a first edition. Wow. Physiology. Yeah, that's one of the. later. This is a much later uh version. in English. Transcendental gastronomy. What What uh language is yours in? French. Wow. And I have the first one. printed in Spanish that was not printed. in Spain but in Mexico City. Oh wow. And.

he said, "Tell me what you eat and I'll. tell you who you are." But he said. something more. important. He. said, "My French is not very good, but. more or less the destiny of the nations. will depend in how they feed. themselves.". Wow. Right. And America's destiny is fat. people. fat people eating processed. food. Well, I think if we are not.

careful is the destiny of the world, right? If we're not careful. But take a. look at now. Come on. You go to the gas. station. I remember when I was young and. I went to the gas station. The gas. station had a little restaurant that was. not even a restaurant. It was like a. diner. Mhm. Um but but for me was like a. high-end restaurant. And once every two. months or three months, my father would. take us there. the restaurant in the gas. station and I thought it was great like. are we going to a restaurant? This is.

the days that you know we always cook. home. We never went to restaurants. But. I'm only saying this because when we. went to the gas station we to go to the. restaurant happens was next to the gas. station. But when my father went in to. pay for the. gas, he paid for the gas and that's it. Was nothing else there. This was the place to pay for the gas. and it happens the restaurant was there. That was the only food. Go now to the. gas. station. Oh my.

god. You live with. 25,000. calories. So you are feeding your car. and in the process you are the Cheerios. and the M&M's and the and the Snickers. and the Oh my god. It's like the gas. station now is I'm telling you those. gases stations are owned by those aliens. that are to make sure we are really. really overweight. So one day they. harvest us and they take us to their. planets. I do believe the gas stations.

of the world are be they belong to the. alien species is trying to make us all. fat. But put that so yeah why are we so. overweight? Because I used to walk to go to. school. Walk. Walk for an hour. 1 hour to go, 1. hour to come back. My father work in the. morning, my father work, my mom work at. night. We had one car and I had to. But. but for me, I could do it in 20 minutes. It took me an hour because my life was.

walking through cherry trees and the. forest and the farms and but but I will. go walking. It's not like my father. It's not like I'm going in Uber or I. will be walking right and come back. walking and and and and and life has ch. I'm going to the train walking and then. from the train to the subway I had to. take a train and a subway and then from. the subway I had to. walk. It's other times. Now life is very. easy. You have calories everywhere.

Calories everywhere. You wake up in the. morning and and you open your eyes and. you are already. calories and that's one of the problems. and that's why we are all fighting. against those calories that are not. making us any healthier. Yeah. It's not. calories, it's the type of calories. It's processed food that you could keep. on the shelf forever because food's not. supposed to be able to sit on the shelf. like that forever. And the kind of food. that can is not healthy for you. That's. why it doesn't rot. It doesn't rot cuz. it's not alive. But but eating too much.

of anything. I could argue with you that. it's a big conversation and I'm not. going to come here you actually I'm. going to disagree with myself because I. can agree with myself because we can. have the same conversation and and use. the conversation from two different. points of view. It's it's been obviously. the very easy attack to the fast food. industry, to the junk food industry, to. call it whatever on the pandemic and the.

obesity, to the soda industry. And. again, I'm not going to be the one here. now becoming the Robin Hood defending. them. But at the same time, they they. are not the only ones part of the. problem. either. Look at me. I'm overweight. I promise you by the end of this year. 2025 I'm going to get close to 210. pounds and I'm never going to move from. there. I've been fighting. I used to be. 280.

uh during I I was able to bring it down. already to 215th. I went up right now. I'm in. 245 but I'm going to bring it down to. 210 and I'm never never going back. because I own it to myself, to my wife, to my children. I own it because in a. way as chef we are also an. example and I'm not going back. I'm not. overweight because junk food. I'm not. overweight because fast food. I'm not. overweight because sodas. I'm overweight.

because I ate too much because the food. I eat is very good food. You can get fat. on carrots and gpacho too. Sure. So we leave this conundrum, right? We. have people that are poor right now that. used not to happen and if you were poor. you were a skinny and maybe you were. hungry and now we are in this situation. that you have s people that are poor and. it's difficult to explain and same some. seems that they're. overweight because though the food they.

are able to buy is very cheap because. it's all this junk food you say and. that's part of the problem right and. they are not only overweight but. unhealthy because they're bad calorie. bad quality food because no nutrients. they cannot afford for anything else. And sometimes it's not only about. affording, it's because they don't have. access to anything else. Right. Yeah. And there goes again about one of the. big. conversations. Food is a. superpower and it's a superpower the. governments need to use for the.

betterment of the lives of their. citizens and goes beyond putting food on. the plate. goes beyond making sure that. when I tell every American when I speak. in every state, red or blue, rur urban. areas or or rural areas, every time I. say every American children deserves to. be. fed and no American family should be. poor and hungry ever. again. Everybody.

claps. This is the truth that brings. everybody together. Yes. And you could. argue why we have people are poor or. hungry and then we talk okay and what is. the role of government making sure that. we don't have poor and hungry. If we. have a. government, I would say in part is to. make sure that we take care of the less. privileged and the poor and the hungry. and the ones that lose their jobs and. the veterans that come back home and. they are I think we need to have. government for that and government.

should do a better job in making sure. that every children in America is fed. and making sure that is not throwing. money at the problem but invested in. solutions. Yeah. Let me give you example. Okay. I. was. 23. A charity called This is Central. Kitchen founded by a guy called Robert. Edgar, a barman. Crazy guy. You you need. to invite him to this show if I can. recommend you people that will will give. you amazing conversation about these.

issues. And he saw that food waste was. wrong. But everybody was he was talking. about food waste before everybody. anybody was talking about food waste. on. President Bush inauguration day, he got. a a track and he went to every hotel. that they had these huge quantities of. food on the parties after the. inauguration that nobody touch and he. got them in the truck, brought them to a. central kitchen, repackage everything. and began feeding the homeless in. DC. 30 plus years later, that.

organization is doing 15 20,000 meals a. day. But it's not about. feeding. It's organization that began. bringing homeless into their kitchen. Ex-commits into their kitchen. People. couldn't find a job because they were in. jail. Those combats, those homeless all. of the sudden they were receiving. dignity. The dignity that society for. some reason was not giving them. American-born citizens that were not.

receiving the same opportunity to belong. as this young immigrant cohos Andress. that came from overseas and very often I. got many doors open people that for. whatever reason in life fall behind the. kitchen gave them a place to. belong and in the process they began. learning how to cook the organization. this isra kitchen was teaching them how. to cook in the process they were making. the meals with that leftover unused.

food that they will produce and then the. organization will feed the local. homeless. In the process, CEOs and. volunteers from around America will come. to join forces volunteering next to. those ex-commits and those. homeless that they were not combat or. homeless. anymore. And in the process, food was. becoming a place of building longer. tables. So the $1 to feed one.

homeless was also the $1 to give hope, was the $1 to give training, was the $1. to rescue food, was the $1 that those. men and women when they. graduated restaurants like me will hire. them. So $1 for human resources all of. the sudden was no $1 thrown at the. problem. We feed the poor and forever. we'll have to spend a dollar to feed the. poor. But no, was $1 to build up the. entire economy of a city in the process.

of taking care of their most vulnerable. Robert Edgar told me that philanthropy. seems always about the redemption of the. giver when actually that's the wrong. approach. Philanthropy always must be. about the liberation of the receiver. When you tell me what the role of our. government should be, our government. should be here to make sure that they. invest in their citizens. And food is a. good place for our government to be.

investing in our in our citizens. And. it's. also it's looking at the long game, too, because the rising tide lifts all boats. The more people contribute to society, the stronger the economy is. Even though. it would cost money, it would bring in. more money. It would you would have less. crime. You would have less poverty. You. would have less everything. You'd have. less need. You would have less have. knots and more halves. Everything would. be better. Snaps a big conversation. right now. Yeah. Uh SNAPS, which is what.

people call as food stamps. SNAPS is a. temporary can be a day, a month, a year. for families that fall. behind that the government give you that. foot dollar that dollar assistance for. food. Mhm. And it's been very. controversial and it's politics around. it. That's the way Democrats won. That's. the way Republicans won.

But everybody forgets really about the. right talk which is what is the right. policy? How do we if somebody complains. oh food sams has. not fulfilled its promise. It's like. okay but let's not fight about cutting. it down. Let's fight about how to make. it better and let's make sure how those. dollars in the process of feeding. American families in blue and red states. equally that helps those families that. fall behind to be able to put food in.

the table are able to do it with the. dignity they deserve. What. happened that because I said before the. government doesn't see food as a whole. and usually everything is handled. through the department of agriculture. which it's okay but it's not the right. right way. What happens that when a. family in a poor suburban area in any. city in America receives the food stamps.

money in the place they live is so poor. that they don't even have a. market because their neighborhood is so. poor that nobody wants to open a market. So even that those poor families, they. have to go to another neighborhood to. spend those dollars even when they have. no transportation sometimes because they. don't own a car or they don't have. public. transportation. So they don't have easy. access even to that food. So imagine if. all of the sudden the government yes.

they help the people through the food. stamps but also in the process you run a. housing development is able to help. building uh a market that is run by the. city is run by the state where the local. farmers can. come in a way you are subsidizing that. business because no other private. business wants to do it but somebody has. to be taking care of that shore. shortfall and all of a sudden we build. they are a market. All of a sudden that. family has the dignity to be able to.

shop in their neighborhood where that. shop actually hire local people that all. of a sudden they are employee in the. neighborhood and that neighborhood it. stops being poor no. longer and all of a sudden that $1 as. this example I gave you of this central. kitchen is not only the dollar that the. government throws money at the problem. I'm going to feed you today but that. dollar of the government if the. government is smart and works as a. creates local employment in the same.

poor neighborhood, gives dignity to that. neighborhood because all of the sudden. is a little bodega, little market. All. of the sudden that place comes back to. life. That's a wonderful idea. Is there. an example of a government in this world. that's doing that? It's it's working places in the world. that you know local places. It's. important that in America we have. something we call the food deserts. Yeah. Uh in Spain, the country know.

more, we have our own share of problems. too. It's never it's never the perfect. city of the perfect state of the perfect. country because if one place is perfect, please call us right now. Call us to. yogan.com and tell us the place and Joe. Rogan and I will move there tomorrow. Right? But in Spain, I grew up in public. markets. Public markets that were. available. everywhere. Public markets that were. public markets with the small stalls.

that local business owners could have. the little chicken place or the little. or the local farmer could have a place. he could afford and be not only a farmer. but a local businessman by selling his. product. Right here we have farmers. market. farmers markets which are great. but it's very difficult to see them in. the forgotten sometimes boyless boysless. places in America right in a lot of. suburban areas in a lot of rural areas.

that. sometimes they're totally forgotten. and and food could be a great way to. make sure that they are not forgotten. Every school in America should have a. kitchen with good cooks, that they are. well trained, that they are well paid. Investing money in infrastructure to. build those kitchens, buying from the. local farmers who run in those rural. schools. In the process, $1 to feed the. children, but $1 to invest in. infrastructure, $1 to buy food from the. local farmers, $1 to pay for the local.

cooks that work in that little um uh uh. rural uh community. All of the time in. the process of feeding better quality. food to our children, food that is fresh. and made from a scratch and that when. you can is local, that $1 to feed the. children is also $1 that indirectly. through the investment of the federal. government invest in the economy of that. forgotten poor rural community. That's. why those are examples of who food can.

be making our system better. Yeah, absolutely. France invests a lot of. money in feeding their children. Spain. invests money in feeding the children. but America I know we can do much better. especially because what you mentioned. before we have issues with. obesity. We have issues with hunger at. the same time and the government has to. play a bigger role in how to be. um solving solving those issues that to. me there are no problems but.

opportunities. Yeah. No, I agree. Um, I. think one thing that this administration. is doing well uh under uh Bobby Ketan is. that he's trying to educate people on. what is healthy food and what what are. the problems and one of the one of the. ways you start is by eliminating harmful. ingredients that are banned in other. countries and that we use everywhere in. this country and that to slowly but. surely make people aware of these. problems and make people aware of what.

these foods are doing to the overall. metabolic health of these people and why. we have these crisises. Why we have. these crisises of obesity and diabetes, type two diabetes and which is food. caused and environmental issues that we. people have because of pesticides and. herbicides and to slowly clean that up. So, it's a good step in the right. direction. I think one of the things. that you do that's really beautiful is. um when there's crisises in the world, you you go there and you cook. You know,

I know that you were doing that during. the Ukraine war and I know you did a lot. of that during in in Gaza. I think. that's very beautiful. That's an amazing. thing that you do. Yeah. I know you. don't have a lot of time. You're a busy. guy. No, I have nothing to do. My my day. is dedicated to Joe Rogan. No, I mean, normally you're very busy. Well, so for. you to do that, that's that's an amazing. thing that you do. Well, I I got you. there a book that tells a little bit of. what we do. Cigars. We need I got you. cigar. Before we get into this, I want.

to mention something about Secretary. Kennedy. Okay. And about and about why. politics is bad, but policy is good. Because good policy is good. politics. I don't agree with everything. uh Secretary Kennedy is doing. Vaccines. I mean, my mom was a nurse, my father, my my family doctor. So, but I'm not. going to get into that. Everybody is. entitled to their opinions and obviously. um um truth hopefully will always.

prevail and the best decisions will be. made. But I 100%. support what uh Secretary Kennedy is. trying to. do. 100%. 110% Secretary Kennedy and one more. person uh joining your. willingness to to make America healthy. But then this is the conversation I want. to be. having. Um it's not like first time we.

heard before um from Republicans saying. why the government has to decide why we. eat and in a way uh Secretary Kennedy is. doing that too. So I 100% agree that. sometimes government has to intervene. Okay. And that's where policy that is. bipartisan in these issues is what I. believe food can be bringing both. parties.

together because I'm going to say. everybody in America needs to be. supporting whatever initiative Secretary. Kennedy has in the next four years to. feed America better to have America. fitted to make sure every children is. fed with more fresh fruits and. vegetables with less young food and etc. etc etc. But I'm only going to go back then to. President Obama and I'm going to be. talking about Michelle. Obama. She creates a movement called.

Let's Move. And very much is aligned. with a lot of the things Secretary. Kennedy was doing. And the conversation. back then, yo, was why is the first lady. having to tell me if I need to eat. spinach or hot dogs? Who is she? And the. only thing she was trying to do is. exactly what Secretary Kennedy is doing. now. So what I'm only saying is let's. put politics aside on those issues that. is about every single American. Yes. And.

let's agree once and for all in the. things that actually both parties always. should be supporting each other. I use. ways that Secretary Kennedy back then. will be one voice next to Michelle Obama. in trying to do fresh fruits and. vegetables in the schools and children. and American. families. And so the same people that. supported Michelle Obama initiatives. back in the. day. I I want them to be supporting now. Secretary Kenn. And also, Secretary.

Kennedy needs to promise me that if one. day he's not in power and another party. come, another president come with that. should be always the same. That's a. mother who is in power. America should. be eating better. America should be. healthier. America, our children should. be producing the best qualities of food. because we are the richest country in. the history of mankind. America exports. more food than any country in the world. America should be feeding every. children, every family with the best.

possible food we have on planet earth. Therefore, everybody should be joining. that movement. But again, let's put them. politics on the side and let's make sure. that we come up with a smarter policies. that will allow of course not only. Secretary Kennedy and this. administration, but every administration. in in the years to come with bipartisan. support in the right way to feed America. with the right foot that makes us. healthier and that makes us stronger and. where food is part of the solution. I.

think we all agree. I think the the. issue was with Michelle Obama was back. in 2008, I don't think people were as. aware of the consequences of food. choices. I don't think they realized how. many metabolic health issues. So I think. some people did, but I think because of. podcasts and because of documentaries. and because of a lot of discussions and. articles that have been written on the. issues that people have with food and. the additives in food and preservatives. and the the real problems that people.

have and not not exercising. I think. people just weren't as aware. I think. one of the good things about the. internet is that is exposed people to uh. a lot more voices of people that are. living lives um that are more. interesting to follow in terms of their. health choices and whether or not. they're uh what do you got there? Keep. going. Keep going. I don't want this to. distract us. Well, it's okay. It's. already done that.

Pulling out bricks. What do you got. there? You got food. I just don't I I. don't think it's a it's certainly I. agree with you. It's it should be uh an. issue that has nothing to do with. politics. It should just be about the. care of people. It's just good at solid. advice. So let's agree on that. everybody. We we we need to to agree. that what Michelle Obama was trying to. do was the right thing for sure. I. remember she brought over thousand chefs. to the loun in the White House. Oh. really? in the first weeks of her. administration or months with no agenda,

only telling everybody to make. America a country where every children. can eat and every children in every. public school across America can eat. better, we need the help of everybody. Yeah. And anybody who's against that, that's an anti-American thing. Correct. Yeah. You should be 100% of that. All of. us. All of us. What's in that tube? What. do you got there? This is some cream. And this is cream. Yeah. Some creme. fresh. Oh, creme fresh. And my guys put. me there some caviar. Great. You brought.

caviar. I had to. I like and I'm on a. diet, man. And my guys didn't put me I. told them I'm coming to your ro. I don't. know. Guys, and if you can hear me. outside, they hear me outside. Yeah, they do. Carlos, are you there? Bring me. some ham and bring me a spoon, man. Do. you need a knife? No, don't worry. I'll. figure out. I have a knife. Uh, we'll. figure out. I have a bunch of knives. So, I know now we're talking about. feeding the poor and feeding the hungry. And now we're going to be having caviar,

but that only shows you the complexities. of life itself. And that's what it is. Here we go. Plates. This guy's got. Carlo. No, put it in front of him. Thank. you. For you. Enjoy, sir. Thank you very. much. We got ham here, ladies and gentlemen. Sorry to all the vegans. Yeah, we're. eating creme fresh caviar and ham. No, but but just for the record, I mean ham. is for vegans. Oh, they only eat acorns. You know why this ham is so good? Why? That's the beauty about food, man. Every.

dish. Shut those doors. Oh, he's coming. back. Every. dish, every dish has a story. Every. ingredient has a tell. Every ingredient. So ham is for vegans. How? I don't. understand what you're saying. Well, I. mean, if the porks and the cattle eats. grass, technically they're vegetarian, too. So, vegetarians should be eating. vegetarians. I think you're missing the. message. It's okay. Their message is. animal suffer. I know this this story.

sounds very strange, but I think here in. your podcast, we heard people with even. more more strange stories. I think this. one is as good as any story. If the pork. eats acorns, therefore the pork is. vegetarian, right? Therefore, a. vegetarian should eat a vegetarian. Let. me let me use that logic on you. That. means No, you're very smart. I paid you. someone is a vegan. That means uh you. can eat them. That's what you're saying. There we go. No, no, I didn't say that. Well, oh my god. Well, do you know I.

help to the script writers and the. director of a series on NBC called. Hannibal many years ago? Was it. aboutctor when he was young? Oh, okay. I. was I was helping them with the menus, the food, the scripts, the crazy. conversations. Was he a chef? No, but he remember he was a good man, right? Fava beans. Yeah. Yeah. And so. this was the early years of Oh, honey.

terror before he was caught. Got it. when he was the story happens in. Baltimore and he's this so amazing. fascinating. and anyway I don't know why I'm telling. you this but that was amazing that was a. lot of meat on that movie yeah he ate. people too that's it kind of goes with. my argument I don't think vegans are. going to agree with you that's all I'm. saying yeah and and that happens but I. the good thing is I have a vegetarian. cookbook do you vegetables and leash.

okay I love vegetables well vegetarians. should really eat eggs you know I mean. vegans should eat eggs, too. Especially. if you have your own chickens. It's like. karmafree food. Jamie, come get some. caviar and creme fresh, brother. We We. feed everybody. There we go. Get in. there, Jamie. You eat that, right? There. we go. I'm sorry if you Some people are. very squeamish on certain types of. foods. So, where we were eating food? We. were eating food. What is your favorite. food to cook? Do you have a favorite. food to cook? Oh my god. Okay. In the in.

in this book, it's not like I'm selling. the book, but it's okay. We did. Okay. and change the recipe. Those are stories. for my daughters, right? Oh my god, this. ham is so good. You know, I think. everybody has to write their stories. I. I have so many stories of my dad and my. mom, photos, moments that now I have. questions of what happened, but nobody. is there to answer them anymore. So, this book was a little bit that few. little stories. I had some time during. the summer and the publisher thought, "Yeah, write those stories and we'll. publish them." It's like, okay. But I.

had to put some recipes. One of the. recipes I did during the pandemic. In. the pandemic, I was cooking with my. daughters. If I was not feeding people. around the states, so in India, in. Spain, um I will be home and they will be. studying when everybody was online. And. then late at night, 78, we'll cook. We'll put one song and we'll all start. cooking and dancing at the rhythm of the.

song. And I will be making a dish with. them. One day I had to. make eggs very quickly. Daddy, we only. have three minutes. I have a meeting. I. have a meeting. I have this. I have. that. On. Okay. Okay. I get the eggs. I. have mayo. I mix one egg with one big. spoon of mayo. Mayonnaise. I. whisk. I put it in a shallow shallow. kind of crystal plate. Little bit of.

fat. I put oil and butter. I think a. little bit. I put that X mix egg mix of. mayo and egg. I put it in the microwave. 30 40 seconds. Oh my god. Joe, the best omelette in the history of. mankind. Really? Microwave omelette was. the best omelette in the history of. mankind. I mean listen I I in Spain we. say I don't have a grandmother anymore. My grandmother is dead. You know when. you are the one that you give you say.

how good you are yourself you say you. don't have a grandma. It was so good fluffy egg on egg egg oil. together. Right. That emulsion of mayo. and egg that has so much air was like. putting a lot of air inside the egg. itself. Oh my god. Try it. It's the. quickest omelette anybody can be. And. then you can top it with caviar. You can. top it with mushrooms or smoked salmon. or saute. spinach. Delicious. But what is your.

favorite thing to cook? Do you have a. favorite thing to cook or do you just. like cooking everything? I I like the. big pot. A big pot. I like to cook. Like. pa? Yeah. I love paella. Like paella on an. open fire. Oh yeah. like a big cast iron. pot. When I was young, my father, my. father was a cook at heart, but he was a. nurse. But when he was not at the. hospital, he will be cooking for friends.

on the weekends. My mom was more Monday. through. Friday. My father was more the weekend. cook. And the pa is something he will. invite 10, 20, 30, 40 people. He had. different sizes. My father will invite everybody, but he. will never keep count of whom. 10 could. show up or 30. My mom always was. like, "But how do we prepare?" My dad. said, "Ah, big problems have easy.

solutions, simple solutions. If more. people come, we add more rice to the. pen." But he always brought extra pens. because he never knew the size. He put. me in charge of making the fire. He will. send me to the forest. I'll gather the. wood. I'll make the. fire. He'll put the pie on top. Three. rocks. Or one day I got very upset. because I wanted to cook. I knew how to. do the fire. I was tired of doing the. fire. I wanted to cook the paella. But. the fire required somebody.

dedicated. My father got upset with me. because I was very persistent. Send me. away. He cook without me. When he came. back, when I came back and everybody. ate, he told me, "My son, everybody. wants to to do the cooking. Everybody. wants to steer the. pot. Nobody seems to be interested in. making the fire. Actually, making the. fire is the most important thing. Control the. fire and then you can do any cooking you.

want." M I don't know if my father. words were as deep as now many years. later I made them to become in my brain. But I think my father was trying to tell. me that that obviously was a great. direct lesson for a John Cook in the. making. But I think my father in a way. that was a great metaphor for life. itself. Find your fire, control your.

fire, master it, and then my friend, go. and do the cooking. When you set up. Bizaarre Meats in Vegas, what what made. you decide to cook over open fire that. way with hardwood the way you which I. really love those grill works grills. with the Argentine style grills with the. wheel. You raise and lower the grill. over the natural wood fire. Yeah, I I. love I I love that. I I've seen that.

since I was a little boy, you know. How good is that ham, Jamie? Prometheus. Oh, wow. Pretty damn good, right? You have you eaten at that place. with us before? Yeah. Yeah, we ate. there, right? How good is that place? It's on the fire. Yeah. The ham there is. this ham. Prometheus, one of the titans, Prometheus gave. uh in a way they they they will say that. man was created from clay. Mhm.

And Prometheus gave. also men the control of fire, right? That was the gift from. Prometheus. So we come from. clay and we control the fire. Nothing for me as a young boy. was more fascinating than seeing the. very big clay. pots on open. fires. The pa my father made with these.

very big metal metal paella pan. But we. will have also our terra cotta. If you. come my house right. now, I have terraotta pots everywhere. I also have the biggest grill wall that. any human can have in their private. home. Do do we have a photo of that of. your grill wall? Do I have a grill wall. there somewhere? Oh,

but me cooking with fire with vines, orange tree, making the fire. in the. countryside with the terracotta that you. put the water and you put the meats and. you put the pork and you put the. vegetables and you put the. chickpeas and you boil it and you are. doing what you do when you are in the. forest or in the countryside. And do you. like the big pots because you know. you're going to serve a big party of. people with it? So it's like the. communal aspect of it. It's it's like.

it's the closest. thing if if the man is the cook. I have. a grill like that at my house. But look. at it's one, two, three, four. I have a. fifth one. I have another one behind. I. have a smoker from Texas behind. I got. one of those, too. Yeah. Yeah. I got a. smoker. I've got a plet grill. I've got. the grill works grill and I've got an. infrared grill and and those two at the. end they are from Spain is is they're. amazing. They they are they are also amazing. So.

I I like I like that. I I like I like. that moment. You know when I like to do. that when I don't even have it covered. yet but even when is snowing I love to. do that. It's nothing more. amazing. than having an open fire with the snow. falling down and you cooking there. Yeah. It's just fascinating. It's very. It's very primal. It's like being in the. cave. Yeah. Well, there's I think. there's something I think human beings. been cooking over fire for so long that.

there's something incredibly comforting. about cooking over fire. Very. satisfying, rewarding, it's different. than anything else. When you see the. actual wood and you make the fire. yourself, so you start it from the very. beginning. little tiny pieces of cut. wood, you know, the little kindling, and. you lay the sticks over it, and you get. that going. Then you lay larger and. larger pieces of wood over it. Then you. get a roaring fire and break it down to. coals, and then you start to sizzle the. salted meat over the coals. you.

you know at the beginning when I came. America I didn't understand. smoking cuz you know the first smoking I. had smoked foods I had was in New York. probably were no good places and it took. me time until I came into. the smoke meats culture of America right. Texas oh my god barbecue here was huge. for me baby so many places obviously I. came one of The first places again was.

Franklin's. And Franklin's is. incredible. And. listen, all the time, the. hours, the precise temperature. Yeah. The the juiciness of that piece of. meat. Mhm. In contact with your tongue. before is in your tongue. Obviously, you. cannot eat barbecue with fork and knife. Fork and knife people, they were created. for you to protect your food from.

others. The fork and knife was not. created for you to use it. You you you. cannot eat barbecue with fork and knife. You. cannot you but but has many reasons why. you get a. fork and you're getting no information. You're seeing the color or the. juiciness, maybe the smell in the. distance, but but when you start using. your fingers, the moment your. fingers get in touch with that piece of.

meat, already the meat is be talking to. you directly like if it's an alien form. telling you, "Hey baby, here I am." And. you know the temperature and you know. the juiciness and you know the. fattiness. And as you are grabbing it. with your two fingers already, it's it's. it's so many things happening in the. process of you bringing your two fingers. with a piece of barbecue into your. mouth. Already your mouth is salivating.

Already your tongue is activated. already. Your stomach is flowing with. juices already. Your brain, your eyes, everything is just pure joy. Use the. very simple thing of using your two. fingers to grab the piece of barbecue. That moment itself, even if you don't. eat it, you can make a movie out of that. simple, humble moment of grabbing the. piece of barbecue with your two fingers. I love to eat with my hands. Clearly,

sushi, I eat with my hands. Oh, yeah. You got to. I love ribs. Ribs you have. to eat with your hands. There's no other. way. You're holding on to a big beef. rib. You have you ever seen the beef. ribs at Terry Blacks. Terry Blacks have. beef ribs that look like they came from. a prehistoric animal. Big massive juicy. beef ribs that take a day to cook and. you just sink your teeth into it. It's. like, oh, it's so moist and.

delicious and so huge. You can't even I. don't know how anybody could eat a whole. one. It's hard to you get three or four. bites in, you're like, "Stop. I can't. It's just so fatty and. juicy." So, before obviously, I came I. came to the the United States, um, you know, baby lamb, baby pig. In. Spain, we love. babies. The baby lambs, suckling pigs, the suckling pig. I was watching a. documentary today on uh this restaurant.

in Spain that's known for suckling pigs. and they they were cooking it all over. open flames and you know that takes two. hours and that being only water only. salt. and the little. animal. It's unbelievable. It's to die. for. Yeah. You know a a a happy day for me. I. remember coming. So I was in the Spanish. Navy. First time I come America. I was. cooking for the admiral and I'm like.

really I was a young cook already. Talented. I won a little championship. here and there already work in some. high-end restaurants in. Spain. Mandatory military service. But. for me the military service changed my. life in so many good. ways. Service to your nation, service to. your country. be part of a group of. people with a very clear mission working. as one. But. anyway, I cook for the admiral. I tell.

him, "Really, I'm having the best life. He has two, three daughters. I have my. own apartment. I'm only cooking for the. family. They're treating me like a. son. Life was good, but I wanted to go. on a boat, not on any boat, in the. training ship of the Spanish Navy. the. training ship for the. Mishipman, a sailing ship, a tall ship, the Juan Sebastian.

Delano. Technically, Muelan was the guy. that began the circum navigation on the. world, but he died and the guy that. finished the cir navigation was Juan. Sebastian. Delano. The boat was calling his name. Beautiful boat, form, white. If you. could find a photo would be amazing if. people could see it. 300 now is woman that go in the old days. 300. men. Now actually the princess uh future. queen of Spain is on this boat right now.

on the on the train trip. First time I. leave uh. Europe. First time I visit Canary. Islands. First time I visit Africa. I. coast Abidan. First time I visit Brazil. Rio Janeiro. My first Kirinia. My first. papaya. The first time I visit Dominican. Republic, Santo Domingo. First time I. arrived to Florida, United States, Pensacola, the city of the five flags.

Hello. One of the five flags, the. Spanish Castellian flag. Hello. Offshore. I belong here. Yeah, I already was in. love with America since I was a little. boy. The NBA, the westerns, the history. of America, the Civil War. I was. fascinated with America. There is first time I had social craps. in my life. Those are the moments that every time. you I remember when my father brought. the first kiwi home. I was a little boy.

and my mom was so upset because he paid. like 4% of her of his monthly salary to. buy five kiwis. And my wife but my. father was like I guess that's why I. became so crazy. For me, finding a new. product is like the happiest moment of. my life. Subshell crab for me was like, "Holy cow, soft shell crabs are. amazing." A whole crab that you can eat. like like a seal that is soft and oh my. god, those moments I remember like was.

yesterday. M but one of the most. beautiful things is I moved to New York. in the next segment of the trip and I. remember coming under the barono bridge. lady. liberty Ellis. Island I'm an. immigrant even I'm not an immigrant I'm. just a soldier a navy a navy a navy guy. visiting America I became an immigrant. later and there that night. I'm watching.

the American flag before we go to. shore and I'm looking at the stars. Same. stars we were talking before. I'm. looking at American flag. I'm looking at. the stars the dark blue color, the white. stars. And me, I'm like, "Holy cow, America is amazing. Look at they put in. their. flag the same blue sky at. night where you imagine. that you can be free that everything is.

possible that you are. welcome that if you were hard you can. belong. I look like a fool when I. realized few weeks later or whatever. that the American flag stars actually. were the states. Okay. Yeah. I had no. clue that the stars were the states. To. this day, I think my story is much more. beautiful than this, much more beautiful. than the. states. Um um but anyway, I wanted to.

share that story with you because when. we. dock around 30th Street on. Manhattan, 30 years later, [Music]. um so I finished the military service. I. came back America. I moved New York. Then I came Washington. But 30 years. later, I opened Marcado Little Spain. which was bringing a little a bigger. piece of Spain to New York to. Manhattan 200 meters away from the same.

place I arrived New York for the first. time 30 years before. Wow. And when they. tell me about the American dream, I want. to share the message. that if anything, the American dream is. more alive than ever. before. But that doesn't mean that we. live in a perfect place in a cocoon. where everything is. perfect. Actually, no. The the American. dream is is realizing that actually we. need to work hard for the things we want.

for. ourselves and from everybody else around. us. that the American dream is recognized. that we are a beautiful place created. through centuries by so many different. people that contributed so much that. people like me I'm right now so proud. and so happy and so thankful overall of. being given the opportunity to come to. this country to belong as an immigrant.

first with an E2 visa then with a green. card and then becoming an American. citizen with three beautiful American. daughters that much of where I am, you. know, I live 70% 90% of my adult life in. this country. Uh I know where I come. from. I love Spain. Everybody knows it. But I also I know where I belong and. everybody knows how much I love this. country. and now go back into my my my. first arrival as a sailor, my my.

comeback as an immigrant and the last 30. plus years. I want to remember that. moment with American flag and the and. the beautiful night sky full of stars. because still the American dream I want. to repeat myself is here. But we all. need to do better to work towards that. dream where we do it sharing longer. tables where we do it with dignity to. others especially to the voiceless. especially to the poor and that together.

we solve the problems that we face that. problems are opportunities for us to. work. together and that's what our politicians. need to do more of well I think America. is often times truly appre appreciated. by people who come here. The people that. are here, it's almost like you're just. too accustomed to it. You You feel. entitled. There's a lot of Americans. that have an entitled perspective about. this this country, whereas most of my.

friends that come here from other. places. Russell Crow had a brilliant. thing that he was saying about America. last time he was here said, "The rest of. the world is counting on us because this. is the place of freedom. This is the. place of opportunity. This is a place. where anybody can come and make. something out of themselves and it's not. the United States owes you. The people. here the people become entitled and they. have this perspective. We get too used. to the fact that we're here. If you. lived in another part of the world, you'd appreciate America. Whenever I.

travel, I love traveling. I love seeing. other parts of the world. But I can't. wait to come. home. I love it here. I love it here. specifically. It's just it's a wonderful. part of the world. Austin is a very cool. place. Austin is amazing. It's the. perfect size city. I think I talk about. it too much so it's people are moving. here too much. I I try to hedge my. enthusiasm a little bit. But I think. it's uh cities can get too big and when.

when cities get too big, people become a. burden rather than your neighbors, your. community. people. become, you know, you have this uh. diffusion of responsibility. There's too. many people. It's not my problem. Too. many people that are in the way. Too. many people instead of this is my. community. And Austin is not too big. People are friendly and they're nice and. it's there's a lot of art here. There's. a lot of music now. There's a lot of. comedy and there's a lot of cool people. here. A lot of food. A lot of good. podcasts, too. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of.

there's a lot here. Many many great. podcasts come out of Austin now. It's uh. a lot changed. That was one of the good. things about the pandemic. A bad thing. happened and a lot of good results came. out of it where people realized like. they don't want to be places that have. restrictive governments. And California. had a very restrictive government and. got a lot worse during the pandemic. But. it's the same thing that we were talking. about before about power and tyranny. Absolute power. When you tell people. what they can and can't do, you tell. people they can't work. Tell people they.

can't keep restaurants open. I mean, there was a restaurant apocalypse in. California. 70% of all the restaurants. in Los Angeles went under. 70%. That's. crazy. That's an insane number. Well, I. don't know if that number I know that. number is a number, the official number. 70%. Restaurants are one of the hardest. business to keep right. Which is why. it's a huge it's a huge percentage of. restaurants close in the first year, right? It's like% even a bigger one. I.

think it's 25% something like that that. on the first year or something like that. and and only very small percentage make. it past five years. Yeah, it's like 50%. over three years or something I think. was what I read. So restaurant. businesses are tough business very hard. right very hard very hard you want to. give people economical prices but you. have overhead you have staff you have. this you have that then everybody. complains that you overcharge but then. of course but then we need to take care. of the people and and employees.

need to make a living. but we forget that many the vast. majority of the restaurants in America. are owned by small business ownersh. who many of them are working as hard as. they can to make the restaurant Yeah. successful. And we we forget sometimes. that right that the business owner in a. way is the employee too. Well, it's. another thing. People feel entitled to. good restaurants. They don't appreciate. the people that serve them. you know,

they don't appreciate the people that. cook and the pe people that, you know, provide this experience where you can go. to a nice place and you have a wonderful. atmosphere and great service and you can. really enjoy a meal and enjoy someone's. art, which is really what it is. Anthony. Berden that we mentioned before. obviously was a big spokesperson for all. the restaurant. Sure. Especially the. immigrants. Mhm. Especially people in farms. He loves.

street food more than everybody. Yeah. Oh, those are more than anybody, you. know. Yeah. More than anybody. But these. are the complexities we we live. Listen, sometimes it feels and we saw it during. the pandemic that the people that feed. America, the people that feed the world. Sometimes it seems and is real very. often that they cannot feed. themselves. Farmers in California, right? farmers in Florida, people.

working the the farms picking up okra, strawberries for you and I to. enjoy and they seem that they cannot. feed themselves because how little they. make and yeah and that's that's the. conundrum that we need to be changing in. the food industry. It's a lack of. understanding of the effort that's. involved in feeding us. We're just. accustomed to be able to go to the. supermarket. this wealth of abundance. Yeah. You know, it's almost.

u it's a it's just a lack of. perspective, lack of understanding of. the effort that's involved feeding all. these people and a lack of appreciation. and real. gratitude. Gratitude towards these. restaurants and these farms and these. people that work so. hard. It takes it takes a village to. feed to feed the world. To feed America, to feed the world. It takes a village. It's a lot of people. Mhm. From the. fishmongers. Listen, um, in Washington.

DC, I've been very lucky to be. surrounded by, you know, Virginia and. Maryland. Is that where you live most of. the time, Bethesda? I'm a Marylander. with an accent. Why did you choose that area? I think. the area chose me. I mean, it was a. great school that my wife wanted to. Obviously, I moved to Washington DC. 1993. But you have restaurants all over. the place. So yeah, Vegas, Chicago, Miami. Yeah, you know, between. restaurants, life, books, trips, TV, the.

new the new TV show I have on NBC with. Martha Stewart, Monday nights at 10:00. after the. boys. Um, my work, my humanitarian work. with Wendra Kitchen. um you know policy work which I will not. say I I work on policy it's only like. when I feel I can become one more voice. to push a smart policy on behalf of all.

Americans I just try to be a voice that. brings politicians of both parties. closer together to move forward. something like I believe makes every. single American better. uh and that's how I try to divide my my. time like all of fast, right? For me. coming here was like the highlight. because number one, you know, it's like. [ __ ] will he invite me if I. ask? At the same time, it's like looks. pretentious that you ask. But.

again, for me, just coming here and and. get to know to be with you oneon one. Yeah. was kind of in my bucket list of I. don't know uh listening to you I don't. know if it's your voice your looks. the easy conversation with. no no script I mean I mean you keep. asking questions and you have nothing in. front of you and and I don't know how. you keep uh how you keep every every.

single time you I've been doing this. forever I know but you have a you you. have super human brain powers. No, that. No, I just only have on people that I'm. actually interested in talking to. That's the secret. That's the secret. I. see. It's very hard to talk to people. you're not interested in talking to. If. that was the case, if I was hired by. some network, I would have to have. notes. I'd have to ask you about some. [ __ ] that I don't give a [ __ ] about. I'd. have to talk to you about some nonsense. that you're doing that I don't care. about and have to feain.

interest. And it wouldn't be successful. The only reason this podcast works is. genuine curiosity and an interest in the. way people view the world. And I think. we got that out of you today. Like we we. all got a very beautiful view into the. mind of a guy who really loves food and. really loves people and lives life with. passion. And anytime people get a chance. to hear a person like you talk and and. and see the world through your.

perspective, you know, it's. inspirational, inspires people, it. excites. people. Um, but that's all the people out there, you Yeah. I I you. know, in the last 15 years, especially. in the last seven, eight after. Maria, you know, I've been very much in. every single hurricane and every single. Big earthquake, big tornado, big. You go. and feed people. Obviously, I've been in.

Ukraine. I was there what. almost 160 170. days. In the first year, I was there. like what 90 days or something like that. of my life. Um, I cross into Ukraine within we I was. in in Poland within 24 hours and I was. in Ukraine within a week. I arrived KE. when still the Russian troops were in.

the north of the city. BHAN. Um, I I remember with Wendra. Kitchen, we were the the first NGO used. to arrive to BHA feeding people. We never stopped. We We reached half a. million meal a day in Ukraine. Wow. Very. quickly, 500. restaurants that all the money we had. from donations from people in America. that they cannot be more given and.

people in Europe and we we channel that. money through supporting the local. restaurants. If they're available, why. I'm not going to open my own kitchen? The same dollar that is going to help. feed the refugees or the displaced. people. uh is the same dollar that can help. maintain the local economy fling. Nobody's getting rich, right? But the. restaurants want to help. The people. want to help. That's what people don't. understand in emergencies that everybody. wants to be part of the solution. What.

Warrain does is that allows everybody to. be part of the solution. M in. Asheville was no Wendra helping feed. even was other organizations feed the. people of of Asheville and the different. parts in North Carolina and the couple. of other states that were hit by by by. the post effects of of the. hurricane was the people of Asheville. that help feed the people of.

Asheville and we didn't got a helicopter. because we And it to be cool or another. helicopter or another one if we had to. is because there was no roads and the. only way to arrive to the people was by. helicopter like we did in Bamas. We had. six helicopters, two sea planes, one. boat with two helipads. Why we did it? Because was no airports because was no. control towers in the north was 16. islands. Everything was destroyed and we had to.

feed 80,000 people. The only way to do. it was that way. Asheville, North. Carolina was exactly the same. The fires. in California were exactly the same. How. we did it, for example, in California, and Los Angeles. um we are there trying to make sure the. firefighters eat. Not like the. system doesn't take care of the. firefighters. is in place. Somebody, some.

organization, some catering is on paper. getting paid to do it. But that's a a. business. In an. emergency, you have to adapt. because they're not going to let you go. to the firefighter sometimes because. it's one guy in the road that is trying. to protect you. from. But we have to go to them because. those firefighters. probably they're going to be fighting. for 48 hours. Non-stop, no break. You.

you can see their. eyes how how tired they are and still. they keep going. And if they have a. break, you have to be near them to make. sure that in that moment they're able to. be fed food they need food they want. And that's what Wendra Kitchen does. But. at the same time, the people escaping. the fires and the same the people. arriving to the shelters that sometimes. in the middle of the night you get, you. know, 3,000 people arriving to a shelter.

because Aladina was destroying and you. have to be there with them. So we got a. lot of restaurants, but we got a lot of. food trucks, too. And the food trucks. was great because the same way an. ambulance is there on a call to bring. somebody very. quickly and after a heart attack and the. hospital have an option to save their. lives. We use food tracks like an. ambulance or we use food tracks like a. fire truck. We have them there. We have. them. park. We have many already feeding.

firefighters and shelters and people in. their. neighborhoods. But we have 10 or 20. tracks on white. Why? Because every. track is full of 1,000 or 2,000 meals. That means that any moment today, tomorrow at 3:00 a.m. in the morning, if. something happens, we can activate those. food tracks within an within a minute. In less than one hour, they can be. feeding anybody, anybody anywhere. Wow. So, World Central Kitchen is not really. an organization. It's a very simple.

idea. An idea of everybody is welcome. We have the standards. We have the. systems. We don't plan, we adapt. We. don't sit down in a big room where. everybody is use emailing. You cannot. email a plate of food. You have to be. with boots on the ground. That's the. only emergency. Emergency is when you. are next to the people that require your. eight. People in those moments need us. next to.

them. And that's what Central Kitchen. does. That's why we are in Ukraine. That's why we are in Gaza. We are in. Israel as we speak feeding people. because it's big fires around Jerusalem. We are in. Lebanon. We are in Myammar. We are in. Thailand after the big. earthquake. Um Pandra Kitchen is used a group. obviously chefs but it's so much more. than that. Sometimes we use restaurants, sometimes we use skatering, sometimes we.

use food trucks, sometimes we open our. own kitchens, sometimes our our own food. trucks, sometimes our our own bakeries. like the one we have in Gaza that. unfortunately stopped working yesterday. because we ran out of. flour. The situation in Gaza is really. very bad. is almost no food. left and people are going to go. hungry and it's a very simple. solution. Unfortunately, those hostages. they deserve to be released. They should.

be. free. What happened in October 7th is. something like we can never forget. That's why World War II was there in. Israel on day one with next to the. Israeli chefs feeding all the people in. the. kibuts. Why? because that was the right. thing to do. And I had people telling. me, why are you there in Israel when. they are now the ones? Because the. people of Israel needed our help. At the. same time, we were in Gaza. Why? Because. the people of Gaz and Palestine needed. our help. What is wrong with these two.

simple ideas that when people are in. need, we all must be next to them. And. hopefully this be an opportunity of. bringing peace and bringing longer. tables. Food can never be a a weapon of war by. anybody ever. Obviously, what Hamas did. is terrible. and and can never happen. again. But we have also to make sure. that the deeds of the very.

few don't end punishing the many who are. innocents. And that's what's going on right now. Yeah, it's a complicated complicated. situation. You know, the the amazing. moments were when I had Israeli friends. that also they some of them even lost. uh friends or family members in the. October 7th. attack that because they some of them. even had two passports that they say I.

would love to go to help the people of. Gaza to feed themselves like it's no way. we are going to be bringing you in. there. And I had Palestinian woman that. said, you know, we we feel for those. people. I I wish I was given the. permission to go there to show them that. that we resp that we don't hate them. But sometimes what you read is only that. is hate. People that hate each other. Maybe those are the few. The vast. majority of the people are not hateful, right? The vast majority of the people. want peace. The vast majority of the.

people don't want just to be all over. the world. That's what I see in. emergencies. even in the worst moments. like war. zones. Uh I remember in Ukraine this. older woman in the north uh in Kkefe and. in Churnney and. uh a woman all that didn't speak. Ukrainian speak Russian and she was. like they are our brothers. Why are they. killing us? They are our brothers. Why.

our Russian brothers are bombing. us? When a person tells you that with. that simple sincerity, yeah, speaking. from the heart, why are they attacking. us? Why Russia is attacking. Ukraine? It doesn't make any. sense at all. Ukraine is a beautiful. country, beautiful people. They've been. under attack and necessary and this war. is lasting too long. I I I wish that.

that that peace will be reached in in. the right. terms for. Ukraine and that hopefully also it'll be. a ceasefire in Gaza. the hostages will. be released immediately and hopefully. there can be a. certain beginning the rebuild of Gazan. and giving the people of Palestine the. the future they deserve in peace and. prosperity equally as what the people of. Israel deserve. Living in peace and.

prosperity without being afraid of a. terrorist attack every other day of. their lives. What is good for Israel. must be good for Palestine too and vice. versa. And that's something like I. believe everybody agrees on. Yes. What I. what I want for you, I want for me. Yes. And I'm saying this. It seems so simple. with my my hand in my heart. Yes. And I do believe that that's the vast. majority of the people. Joe, I think.

you're right. We need to make sure that. that is also what our leaders do. Yeah. To bring the best angels in all of us, not to bring our worst demons. We need to be asking our. leadership putting aside parties, political parties to bring the best in. all of us. Bring us together. Build. longer tables. Don't don't don't break. us. apart. Don't break us apart. Here. Here.

Let's wrap it up with that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much. You're a. beautiful person. You really are. I love. you, Joe. Thank you for having me in. your house. It was a real pleasure. And. uh until next time. Until next time. Do. it again. I can't wait to go to your. next restaurant. Love you. Love you too. Bye everybody. [Music].