Joe Rogan Experience #2313 - Jillian Michaels

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe. Rogan podcast by night. All day. Yes. Good to see you. You, too. We were. just talking about boomers about. parents. Parents that want they don't. want to believe anything other than what. they're getting from the news. It's been. a challenge. My dad is an absolute lost. cause. My mom is now open to the.

conversation and she'll send me a bunch. of different articles and then she'll. allow me to disseminate from my. perspective, but it it's been it's been. a rough ride. Yeah, I've got them on. peptides now, which is nice. Same. And. I've got my my stepdad on uh. testosterone replacement, which is nice. And he's seeing benefits of those. things. So, it's like they're slowly. starting to incorporate some of these. things, but their whole life they've. been told that the doctor knows. everything and that the news is always.

correct and anything contrary to the. news is [ __ ] And but. arguably, when our parents were our age, it was reliable. I don't think so. No, no. I think it's always been. compromised. I just think there was no. alternatives. That's interesting. That's. what I think. My mom is a psychoanalyst, PhD. This is a very educated, thoughtful. woman and sometimes that's the worst. No, no, she's I I would argue against in. this case. I do appreciate people who.

see flaws in psychoanalysis, but I've. learned a huge amount from my mom in. this in this area. And she also um she. majored in journalism before changing. careers to psychoanalysis. And so for. her to even wrap her head around the. fact that journalism can be compromised. is almost inconceivable, right? I I I. didn't mean psychoanalysis is bad. What. I meant is that a lot of times educated. people defer to other educated people. Like they're an expert in their field,

so they assume that all the other. experts in their field are also correct. And any heretic is just a fool. I I. would happen to agree with that point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why you we were. talking about Fouchi on the way in and. both of my parents could arguably. canonize the guy, you know, or or now I. think I've broken through with my mom, but it has taken me since since your. episode with Brett Weinstein in March of. 2020. I have been working on it. We're.

getting there though. We're there. Like. we are there. It's been five years. Isn't that crazy? That was 5 years ago. It was like yesterday. I'll never forget. it. Five years ago. And I remember when. that episode came out, people were. freaking out like, "What are you doing? What is Brett doing? This is [ __ ]. You're you're gonna get us all killed. It made perfect sense to me." Well, he. was right, clearly. And yet still, no. apologies, no corrections. Except the. government website, the CO 19 website is. now up. And this has to be because of. Bobby Kennedy. I I mean, the New York.

Times is like, "Looks looks like this. came from a lab." It's like you really. Well, the best part about is they're. like we were misled. Yeah, you were. misled by you. You [ __ ] I know. You. did it. Isn't that It's disgusting. And. there are zero apologies. No. Zero. course corrections. And they unveil this. information as though they are the. purveyors of truth. Guys, we got a. headline from a lab. You're a half a. decade late. That's right. You know. what's really interesting? We've been.

talk talking about this a lot lately. that imagine if the roles were reversed. and if podcasters were the ones yelling. at everybody to go out and take these. experimental shots and then they were. experiencing all these complications and. all these side effects. Mainstream news. would be chastising us like how dare you. give people the advice to go out and do. that. You're responsible for these. people having all these side effects and. all these unnecessary deaths and all. these people that would have had no. problem with COVID. You encourage them. to take this vaccine and they had. strokes and they had this and they had. that. they'd be calling for us to get.

shut down. I actually did that. I did. not know any better and I was pitched a. vaccine scientist and I thought like, "Oh, this is great. Yeah, come on. Come. on the show." I didn't know the. vaccine was gene therapy. I had no idea. So, I knew it came from a lab. That made. perfect sense to me. And I was like, "Oh, well, this is very clear. It's not, you know, from a wet market." But I was. my someone reached out to a producer of.

mine and said, you know, we've got this. person who was a scientist who worked on. the vaccine that wants to educate. people. And I thought I was doing this. major public service. I have had to. apologize for that podcast and I've left. it up. What was the the scientist? I. cannot Joe. I cannot remember her name. She was actually young. And the reason I. remember that she was in her 30s is. because she told me, "Oh, this tech has. been around for 30 years." And I. thought, but you're only you're like. 35. I was like, no, no, no. We've been. we've been evolving this technology for.

30 years, and you see all of these. trials for safety. It's just. bureaucracy. I didn't understand what it meant to. push something through that emergency. use loophole at the time. Yeah. I didn't. understand the difference of, oh, this. is a dead pathogen and this is a live. pathogen, and we're worried about. adgivants. But this here, this is gene. therapy. I didn't even begin to. comprehend what that was, what it meant, or the fact that we would [ __ ] around. with something that was experimental.

And the scariest part is I had been. talking with a woman named Brienne. Dresen who was injured during the. Astroenica CO 19 trials. And the NIH was. studying all of the people that had been. injured during the vaccine trials as. they rolled out the vaccine with no. concerns and lied about every component. from it stays in the shoulder. It's out. of the body in 24 hours. Until you find out, no, it's coated in. lipid nano particles and it can cross.

the bloodb brain barrier. Oops. Now. they're finding out that people can. still produce spike protein because of. the injections for over 700 days and you. can shed supposedly give it to your. partner. It's insane. Crazy. And now. they're I mean I'm certainly not an. expert in mRNA tech, but now we're. fasttracking other vaccines that utilize. the same technology. And I know for one, I don't think I'll take an mRNA vaccine. ever. Scares the crap out of me. Well, you've heard Brett Weinstein talk about.

the flaws and just the technology itself. and that, you know, the fact that when. it gets into your body, if it gets. especially, you know, the thing is. nobody aspirated, right? They didn't. inject people and pull back to make sure. they're not on a blood vessel. They just. plunged it. Including when they've they. did it live with Biden on television, which I don't think that was a vaccine. I said to this day, people are like, "Yo, well, you conspiracy theorist.". Yeah. Um, I think, yeah, I'm I'm telling. you right now, I think it's a.

conspiracy. I don't think they would. take a chance in injecting a [ __ ]. 80-year-old man when you know that you. have to like stay there at the clinic. for 20 minutes in case you drop dead on. someone. Yeah. You know, my. wife's friend um her friend's son. actually had the COVID vaccine and the. flu vaccine on the same day. O he did. supposedly stay for 15 minutes, got in. the car, must have passed out or had a. seizure, hit a tree and died. Had a.

crazy reaction to it. I know. I'm not. trying to I'm not trying to promote, you. know, this antivax position, but Well, that's not a vaccine, you know. Exactly. Calling it a vaccine is [ __ ] crazy. That's exactly it. It was a totally. experimental gene therapy. And what what. Brett was saying about it is if you. don't aspirate, you're shooting it right. into a blood vessel. If you're shooting. it right into a blood vessel, it could. go to all sorts of areas of the body. where the body's going to attack it like. it's a disease, particularly the heart. And it's like this is why you get.

myocarditis because the heart doesn't. heal, which is why you don't get heart. cancer. Your heart just scars over. So. people have these inflamed, enlarged. hearts and then diminished. cardiovascular function. And he was. talking about this way earlier than. anybody else. And they were blood on his. hands. is killing grandmas and the. vaccine saved millions of lives. People. say that all the time. They've saved. millions of lives. Like how if people. still got co not only that they got more. co than people that didn't get. vaccinated. I am still having this this.

exact debate actually with with my mom. who's like but honey it saved mill. And. you know what's crazy? Have you actually. tried to Google that information? Because you can make a case for that. based on what will come up on Google. And she's like but look right here. says. it saved millions of lives, but you. know, it's only based on the idea that. those people would have died if they. didn't have CO, right? And the pro but. the problem is you're going to get CO. anyway. So the that data is [ __ ]. Not only that, even when people got CO,

99.07 of those [ __ ] lived. I just. pulled that up cuz I was trying to. illustrate that point. And I was like, do you realize that I think the. percentage of mortality with this is. like 1% and when you look at it less. considerably less 0.03 03 all the way up. till you hit about 80 years old, right? And then it's like well 1% or so 1.5. maybe and 80 year olds are morbidly.

obese or severely autoimmune you know. immuno compromised. When you have 330. million people in this country and then. you know you look at that. 0.3% that starts looking like a lot of. people but those are just people that. are on death's door. That's the reality. Metabolically unhealthy, obese, diabetes, all sorts of problems, cancer, leukemia, on chemotherapy. Those are the. people that died. I remember when Bill.

Maher was talking about how it was. people who there was a study that came. out of the CDC, and forgive me because I. don't remember the exact percentage, but. it was upwards of 80% of the people who. died or had severe cases of COVID were. obese or overweight. And this is when, you know, you could be healthy at any. size. That scop was in full effect. That. must have drove you crazy. Oh, I was I. it I I I was completely unraveling.

People ask me like, "What happened? You. were a good liberal. You're still a good liberal. If you go. back to the old definition, I haven't. changed. I go issue by issue with my. friends and I I'm like, you show me. where I've shifted my position on any. issue outside of Trump. I used to think. he was Hitlerian and he was going to. round up all the gays and we were all. [ __ ] None of that happened. I thought. Russia, Russia, Russia. I thought that. was real. So, as new evidence came to.

light and I managed to survive his first. term intact along with, you know, my gay. relationships, I somehow started to feel. that maybe a lot of that was [ __ ]. propaganda. But outside of. that, not one of my positions has. changed. Not one. And I find that. arguably the right is more welcoming and. more tolerant now. I can sit down and. have a conversation with Matt Walsh and. debate gay marriage in a civil.

fashion. And I ended up again like I I. bring up Bill because I I work with Bill. in some capacity on his podcast network. and I was having to defend him on Piers. Morgan because he was sitting down with. Trump and they called him a bigot and a. racist and anti-science because he was. going to sit with Trump. Like well. where's the outrage that he sits down. with Nome? I hate that guy way more and. I don't know. Pierce Morgan was saying. this or the guest. Pierce was awesome. The guest Pierce's. show is Mory Povich 2.0. It's a better. version of Mory Povich. I kind of love.

it though and I love when I get to do it. because you're allowed to act unhinged. You still have to make your points. Yeah. But it is a bit it is theatrical. but sometimes I think when you are able. to be so theatrical it goes viral and. the point that you're trying to make is. arguably seen by more unless it's a. platform of course like yours. But yeah, he does a good job of that. I just don't. think it's a good way to discuss ideas. You're not wrong. But it's really good. as far as like going viral. It's It's.

great. You're not wrong about that. I. still find it fun though cuz you that. what you hold. in for all those civil conversations. where you're just you're biting your. tongue. You're trying to. communicate. calmly, articulately. Here you can just unleash. that. Your hypocrisy is. disgusting. It's everything I swallow in. every conversation with all my friends. from California. And you can just let it.

rip and freaking tear into people. because they started it. Yeah. They. started the fight. I don't like that. I. don't like doing that. So, I don't I. don't I'm not interested in that. I get. it. I'm not interested in that kind of. conflict. I don't want I don't want to. talk to people like that. I don't like. it. I understand. You're you are like a. very gentle soul. I I watch you. sometimes and you're just you're so not. sometimes I watch you often and you're a. very gentle soul and I sometimes I think. God toxic masculinity like you're so.

that whole notion all of the men in your. space tend to be far kinder and softer. and it's the women that are savages. I. mean I happen to love I I love Megan. Kelly. I think she's brilliant, but god. damn, I never want to be on the wrong. side of her. Yeah, she's ruthless. She'll rip your head off and like eat. your heart. That do not [ __ ] with that. woman, you know? So, anyway, I I think. that some of the women in the space are.

genuinely more aggressive than the men. Well, do you think that's cuz they have. to to get respect? Like, why do you. think that is? No, I I don't think so. And I find that it's more respectable. when you speak in the fashion that you. do. And I've tried to really curtail. that behavior throughout every other. aspect of my life personally and. professionally, whether I'm fighting. with the contractor on my house. I try. to lower the octaves of my voice or I'm. trying to win somebody over in a debate.

Um, but I think I, you know, Joe, honestly, I think because it's. entertaining. Yeah. And it's a. competitive space. I really think that's. it. and it seems to work. So, sort of. But why am I number one then? Cuz I. don't do it cuz that see that's like the. counterargument to that. Here would be. my answer because you can lick. everything in the fridge. And what I. mean by that is you don't have a niche. Lick everything in the fridge. Seriously, I'm not kidding. I've never. heard that expression. You talk about.

anything and everything and it's. fascinating and people tune in for it. They don't come here because they want. to hear about politics or they want to. hear about health or they want to hear. about [ __ ] aliens. They come here. because they want to hear about all of. it and they want to hear what you think. about all of it. So, it's not really. interesting when someone else does it. because they're not there to see what. that individual thinks about the subject. matter. So, when I turn into Megan. Kelly, it's like or tune in. It's.

because I want Don't turn into her. No, I'm not. I'm not the [ __ ] no, dude. I. don't I'm messing with her. Um with. she's a lovely person and and she's been. nothing but lovely with me, but I sure. as mentioned I am not interested in. being on her bad side. Uh however, when. I tune in, it's not because I want to. see her reaction or her opinion on. something. It's because I want to learn. what is the counterargument to deporting. this guy Kilmore Garcia. I'm like, "Okay, the steel man that argument for.

me and then tune into something else and. try to disseminate what the truth is.". And she's I think a constitutional. attorney. So, I feel like I'm getting. great information with you. You're not. just learning about something, but. you're also curious what you think about. it. If you're going to go, "Ah, bullshit." Or if you're like, if you do. the wow, you know, you want to say what. you think about it. Yeah. I just think. we could all do with a little less. yelling at each other. You're totally. right. I just don't think it's good for. anybody. It's like every time I've.

engaged in it, I feel bad for the rest. of the day. Even if I win. Yeah. I don't. feel good. I just feel like gh I don't. like that. I don't like it. What if they. deserved it? Um I think you should be nice until it's. time to not be nice. And generally. that's like extreme violence. That's my. That's my feeling. That's my feeling, you know, like be nice up until you're. literally trying to incapacitate a. person. That's fair. I feel like I don't.

think we have to do that. And I think. the only time you have to do that is. when someone's completely psychotic. 99.999% of the time, you're better off. serving you and that person better by. just being nice and calm and making a. point in an intelligent fashion. You're. absolutely right. Yeah. Not being. married to your ideas either. Also, you. know, not like taking an opposition to. your ideas as an opposition to you as a. being. You know, it's these are just. ideas. Like if someone thinks that.

you're incorrect, if someone thinks I'm. incorrect, I'm like, well, tell me why. What do you what do you think? Why do. you think that? Where did you come to. this conclusion? What what was the. tipping point for you? Like, what is it? Like, tell me what it is. That's rare, though. I I was just actually talking to. Mike Row about that. Why do we hold on. so fidiously to our dogma? And it. honestly because it doesn't feel right. to have somebody say I told you so. I I. will do the miaulba and I have a million. times but it is certainly more rare. I.

mean how often do you see a walk back or. a course correct? Not often. And I know. that you know when people wag their. finger at me are you you happy this is. what you voted for? You want to defend. things that arguably you you may agree. with them on, right? And I'm like, don't. don't don't do it. Just do you do you. see their point? If so, acknowledge you. see their point. And then I. still feel the need to play the lesser. evil game. Even when they're right,

they're still wrong because when I weigh. out, you know, the choices I had, even. though you're right on this issue, you. know, I'm right about the my choice. ultimately because more things went the. way I wanted them to than the way I. didn't. It takes a lot of ego strength. to admit where you're wrong. And I I. just don't think a lot of people have. that. And there is a a tribalism with. everything, whether it's workout trends, diets, for God's sake. I mean, we've. seen this kind of dogma in health and. wellness for years. Um, it's no fun to.

say you were wrong. And in some cases, it can have professional repercussions. for people. Sure. Did you experience any. prof professional repercussions where. you're pushing back against this healthy. at any size stuff because that's how. much time do you have on that one? Well, let's go into it cuz I that to me was so. fascinating that the concept of fat. shaming which like I don't think you. should hurt anybody's feelings but I. think at a certain point in time. sometimes hurting someone's feelings. causes actions and hurting someone's. feelings with the truth and you can give.

the truth to someone lovingly. You know, you could say, "Look, I care about you. This is why I want to tell you you're a. fat fuck." Like, you really are. you're. disgusting and you need to lose weight. and you've you're fully addicted to food. and you don't understand what it's doing. to your body and you're being lied to by. all these other people like these fat. doctors. Like there's some lady in the. UK who calls herself the fat doctor. I'm. like great lady. You're just overwhelmed. with inflammation. I could just see it. looking at you. This is crazy that.

you're giving this advice out when. you're you can't walk up a hill. There's. no way. Like you're so unhealthy. And. this idea that shaming people is worse. than telling them the truth that's going. to make them feel bad maybe temporarily, but you could do it with kindness. And. then that person can make choices that. will be and then you encourage them. like, "I'm so glad you changed your. diet. I'm so glad you cut out this and. cut out that and now you're doing well. and you've decided to walk 10,000 steps. a day and you've decided to start.

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towards select gifts that'll take. cooking, planning, and more off mom's. plate. Make Mother's Day special with. Door Dash. Terms apply. You've given me. a lot to tackle here. So, let's let's. start with let's start with the. professional stuff. The the SCOP. component of healthy at any size. This. is a big food narrative. This has been. proven even the the freaking uh explain. big food narrative what you mean by. that. Um, okay. So, Big Food, put put. simply, hired a bunch of registered.

dieticians to co-opt this concept of. intuitive eating. And I I'm I'm I'm dead. ass serious with hashtags like derailed. the shame. And they paid them and they. put out all of these posts and went to. all of these conventions and promoted. the narrative that you can be healthy at. any size. And it's just a flatout lie. It is a flat-earther conversation. It is.

pseudocience at its best. There's. there's no truth behind that. There is a. robust amount of data that show us being. obese is associated with like 170. coorbidities. This is a non factor. It's. it's been debunked. We know this for a. fact. So when that happens, what they're doing. is. essentially plating someone who already. feels now I can I can attack what's. going on or address rather what's going.

on with an individual who is that size. and it is largely psychological once you. are past the point of dad bod you know. what I mean like oh I I work three jobs. life beat me down I it's a food desert. and I'm 40 lbs overweight and I've let. myself go. And this is a different. animal. When you're dealing with. somebody who is 50 plus pounds. overweight, there is a psychological. component. So the first thing we need to. do is make them aware that there is a.

problem, without question, but you can. do it without shame. giving them facts. of listen this is unhealthy and because. you are such a valuable individual I. want you to understand this because only. from a place of feeling truly worthy are. you able to facilitate a change you. don't work out because you hate your. body you work out because you love it so. it doesn't need to be a shaming there's. no shame there to be honest Joe I know I. know that people claim there is because.

you've pointed out this vulnerability or. this flaw in the person. But we all have. flaws and vulnerabilities. People who. are overweight simply wear them so it's. easier to judge. Right. Yeah. So by. educating them first and then I without. question I like to give people or when I. when I was able to do the work hands-on. that rock bottom moment because they are. overweight because it is providing them. with something extraordinarily.

significant. And I can give you examples. should you need them, but I promise you. that at one time or another, people turn. to addictions, in this case food, because it means their psychological. survival. So put simply, the most. obvious example would be a person who. was incested, molested, raped, puts on. weight to desexualize. That's just one. example of many, but it's easy to. illustrate the point. Um, so whatever. this thing is providing them is the part. that's so hard to let go of. Yeah. cuz.

unconsciously it's terrifying. And you. got to first show them this is why we. need to change. And then you got to give. them that path towards change. And you. got to make it harder. You got to make. them feel the pain. Could be physically. It could be psychologically, but it. doesn't have to be shameful of the way. they've been living. So that the work. and the sacrifice associated with change. is less painful than. continuing the negative um and. destructive habits. You don't have to.

shame them. I I know the message seems. like it is, but it really it really. isn't. Well, the whole term fat shaming. is pretty recent, right? Yes. Very. Let's get right back to where when I was. just you asked me what I lost. So. intuitive eating is a fascinating phrase. and the the idea that this is by the. same people that used to be in charge of. tobacco. Yep. This this is what's really. crazy. These are the R.J. Reynolds and. these tobacco companies bought all these. fast food processed food companies and.

they use the same tactics that they used. with that to push terrible foods on. people. Well, they literally have a team. of multidisciplinary scientists that. work around the clock to figure out how. to get people to not eat just one and. then put it in a commercial. It's like. literally in broad daylight. Look what. we're doing to people. Bet you can't eat. just one. Just one, you know. But the. what they're doing is they are. exploiting somebody's psychology and.

they're hijacking their biology with. this food without question. And this is. why you have seen rates of obesity. skyrocket from what 70s when it was like. 5% of the adult population was. overweight or obese to. 74%. We're all is a quantum leap in. genetics. That's that's a a big pharma. scop of like no no this is all genetic. You're you're genetic genetically obese. Where was the what happened? This I've.

never seen such a quantum leap in. genetics. How come we were genetically. obese in the 70s? Like what was that. tipping point, if you will? They created. the cascade of obesity over the last. five decades. Of course, it's exactly. what you're talking about. Yeah, it's. the ingredients in food. It's really. simple at that. And also how they. engineer the environment and you're. surrounded by it. You can't escape it. Remember the days when you weren't. allowed to have food at a bookstore and. now every freaking bookstore has a.

Starbucks 600 calorie drink. Exact. You. are surrounded. There is nowhere you can. go right now where food is not. omnipresent. In particular, this crappy. food and they generally do it through. government contracts and subsidies. So. it's at your schools, your hospitals, like anywhere you go, you will find this. garbage food. So even if you have that. moment of willpower, which is arguably. this fleeting moment of bravado, if. you're constantly surrounded by it, you. will give in. Managing your your.

environment is a large part of helping. someone be successful. It's it's a. band-aid, right? If you're you're. dealing with sexual abuse, for example, but controlling the environment is. definitely a component in helping them. You can't control the environment. Can't. control the narrative. You can't control. what's in the food. And it's all by. design. It's not just the crap in the. food. It's how they control the. narrative around it and how they. engineer the environment and how they. systematically shut down the people that.

point it out as fat chambers, for. example, or racists. Yeah, it's another. big one. Yeah, it's a big one. Or. transphobes or Yeah. fill in the blank. But it's it's fascinating to me that. hospitals fall into this. A friend of. mine was visiting his friend who has uh. prostate cancer and this guy is in the. hospital being treated for cancer and. then he went to look at what they're. feeding him in the hospital and they. were feeding him applesauce which is. loaded with high fructose corn syrup, apple juice or orange juice which is not. even juice. It's concentrate. It's all.

[ __ ] And then some kind of a. [ __ ] sandwich which is made out of. this processed wheat bread. Yeah, it probably has in that meal alone. 100 plus chemicals. I think I'm being. conservative. Yeah. Um at a hospital, it. has to do with government contracts. Yeah, but it's so crazy that hospitals. their diets in hospitals are co-opted. I. can't even My kids who I know will be. watching this, so I love you guys. It's. okay. But they they stopped packing.

their lunches and I was like, "Guys, why. are we not packing our lunches anymore?". And I would watch all the crap that I. would buy go bad in the pantry. And my. son ratted my daughter out. He's like, "She's eating breakfast at school." And. I was like, "What are you talking. about?" He's like, "The sugar cereal? Who's having that at school?" And I I. was like, "What? What are you talking. about?" I even my kids who know better, it's it's But isn't that a rebellion. against mom though? Which kids. definitely do. Like my my youngest. daughter, she jokes around about she's. like, "Ooh, seed oils. I love seed.

oils." She'll have salad dressing with. seed oil and she like mocks me. I'm. like, "Okay, you eat whatever you want, but just know what it is." They I. honestly think the kids know what it is. and I try to give them enough freedom. now at these ages, you know, 13 to 15 to. make some of their own decisions. So, not everything is is a push back, but I. truly think there is an addictive. component. Oh, for sure. And and she. just it's like I'm so good at home. And.

I don't mean to associate that not good, but I eat well at home. Let's put it. that way. Um, and you know, just at. school, I'm just going to do this at. school. And the problem obviously is. when she goes off to college, I won't be. able to control the environment at home. And I'm like, honey, okay, hold on. There's a I forgive me. There's a like. 20-year-old influencer named Bad Baby, I. think. Joe, she she saw this Okay, she. saw this girl. That's the lady from Dr. Phil. Catch me outside. Catch me.

outside. So she saw this girl I think. when she was like nine and has followed. Bad Baby. Bad baby now has cancer. What? I I believe so. And for real? According. to my daughter. Exactly the point. though. That's exactly the point. And so. now I can say to my kids, this isn't. just mom's generation, which how come. there's something else to look at. My. mom is 76. None of the public figures in.

her generation got cancer. You didn't. see Susan Sandon or Scorny Weaver or. Meil Street. None of them got cancer. But in my generations, like Maria. Manunos, Christina Applegate, something's going on with an Angelina. Jolie, Kate Middleton. In my generation, the canary is dead in the coal mine. It's not even a question of the negative. impact. If we're not looking at. statistics, if we're just looking from. an observational perspective, it's in. the news every single day. Someone's. dealing with cancer. Olivia Mun, now. you're seeing 20-year-olds deal with.

this. And I was able to point to that to. my daughter and say, "This is the [ __ ]. that I am talking about. She's 5 years. older than you." What does that lady. have? Does it say? Yeah. She's claimed. that she's got a form of leukemia, I. believe. But people Yeah. They debate. They doubt her. They Yeah, for sure. They doubt her. I don't know. She's a. little bit kooky, right? Sure. There's. still you still can point to the fact. even if it's not bad baby who who may be. lying. I'm not sure. I like how you're. using that name. Bad baby. Is it Bad.

Baby? Bad what the I said Bad Bunny the. other day and my kids are like no that's. the rapper. She says uh she insisted. she'd been cleared for surgery. She has. no regrets about her cosmetic tweaks. What does a cosmetic tweak have to do. with leukemia? I don't know. I think. people are they're not going to perform. plastic surgery on a cancer patient. What is she's getting plastic surgery? Is it What is this article about? chronic miloid leukemia piece because. that's the part I know about. She Oh, break silence on claims she lied about. having cancer after being slammed for.

vaping. Oh god, did she lie about? That's I was just showing you that. Go. back up. I thought she had like a wig. since she lost her hair. 21 says. currently battling chronic how do you. say that? Myoid myoid leukemia. criticized for getting cosmetic surgery. while battling disease which is pretty. crazy. Is that really true? That's the. part that she underwent plastic surgery. and challenged rival Alabama Barker to a. physical fight all while battling. leukemia. Apparently Alabama Barker did.

not show up for that fight cuz my. daughter was very disappointed by that. What they were going to meet somewhere. and actual meet I think in Calabasas and. throw down. Oh boy. The Calabasas. throwdown. The classic used to be an Old. West shootout. Now it's now it's a. Calabasas throw down. There's hair. pulling and all kinds of stuff. Oh boy. What it can tell you with certainty is. that the rate of early onsite cancer. diagnosis in people 18 to 49 has gone up. 79% over the past two decades. So if in.

fact bad baby is being untruthful and. deceitful um those statistics are real. Yes, those statistics are real and. including the big leap since the COVID. vaccine was rolled out. You know, I. don't have any information on that. There was a doctor that was on the uh. Tucker Carlson show the other day that. saying he's seeing pancreatic cancer in. kids for the first time ever in his. career. Said my entire career I never. saw pancreatic cancer in children. Okay. I want to play devil's advocate to that. argument and simply say the statistic.

that I just cited I believe came out uh. in 2019. So this is pre-COVID. Oh, I'm. not doubting that diet and environmental. factors. I think there's a host of. different things going on for sure. There's pesticides and herbicides. That's a a major factor. You know, when. you look at the fact that 90 plus% of. people have Roundup in their blood. That's crazy. You know, that stuff is. linked to chemical warfare from Vietnam. It has a historical connection to Agent. Orange. Really? Yeah. Google, Jamie.

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You're just getting it. And it's in your. blood. It's in It's in everything. It's. in everything. It's in the water. wheat. Yeah, it's in Well, it's in the runoff, so it gets in the fish. You know, most. freshwater fish have toxic levels of. lead and or heavy metals in them. Like. most most freshwater fish you really. probably shouldn't be eating. I knew big. predatory fish. Yes, that's in the. ocean, but that's heavy metals from the. ocean, which is also from us. But that's. mercury. But there's toxic levels of.

heavy metals and pollutants and, you. know, forever chemicals that are in. freshwater fish cuz all that [ __ ] that's. in the ground gets into lakes, right? all that [ __ ] that you know, all the. runoff, all that stuff gets into. streams, gets into creeks, gets into. rivers, you know, uh we watched a video. uh when we had um uh Will Harris from. White Oak Pastures on the podcast and he. showed the difference between his. regenerative farm that doesn't use any.

pesticides or herbicides and his. neighbor's farm. And there's a literally. a dividing line in the river where you. can see the runoff from his neighbor's. farm turns the entire river brown. And. it's legal. It's legal to pollute. Of. course, because it's industrial farming. Exactly. But it's crazy. It's just like. all that industrial fertilizer, herbicides, and pesticides are running. off because the top soil's dead. So all. that stuff is running off as soon as it. rains and it runs right into the river.

And you could see a dividing line. There's like clear water on one side and. this disgusting brown, dirty water on. the right side. Have you seen where it runs from the. river into the ocean and creates dead. zones that you can see from space? No. oxygen. Yeah. Nothing but jellyfish. miles. A friend of mine who was a yoga. instructor and he's from. Argentina and he came to uh America and. no one told him he live was in LA. No.

one told him don't surf after it rains. So he was surfing and he didn't. understand that all the runoff from all. the streets goes into the ocean. He got. horribly sick and you know he was. bedridden and he was like what the [ __ ]. is going on with the ocean? Yeah. Having. grown up in California and spending a. lot of time in the water, I have known. this for years. And now I can't even. imagine, by the way, in California, who. would dare to get in the ocean at this. point, considering all of the crap from.

the fires. That's a great irony. That's. my favorite. Oh, we're not doing any. forestry mitigation because of the. environment. And yet, these fires have. rolled back all of those protections by. something like 20 years. Yeah. Is it. just Oh, that ground's ruined forever. Destroyed and pours into the ocean. Twice the size of Manhattan. Ruined. ground. All those people that had. electric cars, those cars, those. batteries, all that [ __ ] is all all the.

plastics and the fiberglass and carbon. fiber, all that stuff, the tires, all. that stuff is now in the soil. And. you're if you Good luck having a garden. Good luck. You want to try to grow. plants, good luck. I was talking to um I don't know if. you've ever seen this gentleman. He's. really great. He wrote a book uh called. Eat to Be Disease named Dr. William Lee. and he called me after the fire because. I was out there visiting my mom. He's. like, where are you? Are you in. California? And I was like, I am at the.

moment. In fact, I'm right here by. Palisades. And he said, Jill, do you. remember 9/11 dust? That whole thing. with all the I was like, of course I. remember. Send me a bunch of articles. And he's like, you got to get out of. there. Get your mom out of there. He's. like, it gets in your kids's clothes. when they they're on their way to. school. It people, he goes, we're going. to be talking about this 10 years from. now. The result of the toxins in this. fire and how they've affected people's. health. No doubt. No doubt. Crazy. And. it happens twice a year. Yeah. At least.

Oh, I was evacuated three times when I. lived in LA. I lo Well, in fact, I lost. two homes. One that I owned in 2018 and. one that I sold in 21 just actually. burnt. It's nuts. It's crazy. Yeah. And. nothing's I mean the what they did. during the fire was just so insane. Like. the the the fact that the reservoir was. empty. Oh, we need to make a lid for it. We didn't get around to it for over a. year and it hadn't even begun. There was. so many things wrong there that I I.

could literally lack of funding, Jillian. They don't have enough money. I. can't. Have you seen Mike Shelonburgger. talk about this? That will make your. blood boil. Yeah. No, Shelonburg's. great. I love him that he's like, "We. knew about this for seven days with the. winds and we could have, you know, we. could have borrowed firefighters from. all different states and this and that. and had them position went to Ghana for. a birthday." Oh my god. Knowing knowing. between Mike Shelonburgger and Corolla. whipping me into a frenzy about this. I.

I literally think I've like popped 10. blood vessels because so much of this. could have been mitigated and wasn't. And in fact, Gavin Newsome, my favorite. politician, he's my favorite podcaster. I wish he would get back to it. He. stopped. I don't know why he stopped. Oh, did he stop? I didn't know that. [ __ ] show was horrible. Oh god, I'm. Everybody was mocking him. It was so bad. for him. He kept he had this idea of. reaching across the aisle. So he reached. across the aisle and he gets guys like. Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on they. eat his lunch. And so and people I would.

think in his party were like, "What the. [ __ ] are you doing? You're making us. look horrible." So, he bails on his. podcast. When was his last episode? I. didn't realize he bailed out yesterday. Oh, he's back. Yeah. No, we weren't. going to get that lucky. I don't think. so. Oh, Rah Emanuel. Okay, that's Well, now he's with his own side. Scott. Galloway pretty much his own side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anthony Scarucci, he hates. Trump. That's a good move. Yep. Ezra. Klein. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. So, it's not that it's gone away. It's just.

that it's so horrible nobody's watching. it and nobody's even talking about it. anymore. Yeah, that might be. This is. Gavin Newsome. Oh my god. But it was so. funny because that was the response. after the election. They said, "Well, podcasts influenced the election, so. we'll start our own podcast." Your. podcast is going to make people even. more inclined to not vote for you. My. favorite was we knew our own version of. Joe Rogan. And I love when you I. remember when you you loved Bernie. You.

were like, I like the guy. I you had Joe. Rogan. Joe was on your side. And the I. that's the one thing with the left is. they purge people from the party because. it's a cult. It really is like leftism, not being an actual progressive. Like an. actual progressive is a person who's. kind, who wants people to just exist and. be yourself and live amongst us. And we. should all have social safety net and. laws that like are are kind and.

compassionate. we should look at the. fact that we are an incredible first. world nation and we should like roll out. the red carpet to all the all the people. that live here and try to make it a. better place for everybody. That's real. progressivism. And then it morphed into. this like let perverts get into the. women's room, let men compete in women's. sports like all like and ignore the fact. that some people are [ __ ] psychotic. and give them a blank check as long as. they just say they're a woman. Like oh.

you're a woman. Go ahead blanch. get in. And now not only that, but treat them. better than you treat women themselves. because they're they're actually more. oppressed than women. So it's the. oppression hierarchy, right? So they get. the gold medal in the oppression. Olympics. It's like it's bananas. It is. bananas. It really is. I can't That's. the stuff where you look and you say, "I. was never for any of this." If if you. I'm a libertarian. I'm for personal. freedoms. Of course. If you want to. change your gender as an adult, that's.

absolutely up for up to you. and I I. would fight for your right to do that. and live with dignity. But when your. personal choices impact the rights and. the freedoms of others, this is a far. more nuanced conversation. Far more. And. it's like, especially when you're dealing with kids. and oh, that's a whole different This is. where it gets really crazy. That's evil. I there's this hilarious conversation. between this woman who's like she looks. like she's probably in her. 70s and this uh person's asking her uh.

if you had a granddaughter would you. support them taking puberty blockers? She's like. absolutely absolutely. I think it's. insane to try to force a girl to go. through puberty if she's really a boy. and this that would you would you allow. them to get a tattoo? Oh, I think that's. permanent. No irony. Seconds later, no recognition. of what she's saying. No. Like tattoos.

can be removed, lady. I know. Yeah. They. can laser those off. Have you noticed. though, they really don't understand it. No. And I I got in a conversation with. Jessica Tarlo about this and she's like, "Oh, but you know, they they the kids go. through extensive therapy." I'm like, "That's not true, Jessica." Or or the. concept that it's reversible. People. believe this. Exactly. Not only is it. not true, but puberty blockers are the. exact same thing they give to sex. criminals. When when you have a a sexual. molester that is forced to be on.

sterilization drugs, that's exactly what. they give to young boys. It sterilizes. kids. Yeah. It's the same thing. Takes. away sexual function. They can if you. interrupt puberty in the stage 10 or. two. And the reason the reason I bring. this up is because they'll tell you it's. reversible. No. And but here's the. thing. someone I actually went through. this exercise with somebody and I was. like show that to me and they went on. chat GPT and it's like yes this is. reversible and the argument is that. should you have a child that starts. puberty at seven and you use puberty.

blockers it's very rare it can happen. and they do it strategically to slow. that down for a child and help them. develop at a normal pace they c it. doesn't sterilize them or make them. incapable of having an orgasm. The. distinction that's key is when you block. puberty at the stage of 10 or two, which. is arguably the appropriate age that. puberty is meant to begin, then you've. got sterilization. You've got an. inability to ever have an orgasm. It. affects bone development. It affects.

brain development. Strokes. It's terrible for them. Yeah. They're. freaking children. Their body is not. developed properly. Nobody understands. that. They don't. When they make that. argument, they're told the parting line. of if you make them go through this, they'll kill themselves. And it turns. out that the data doesn't bear out to. prove that either. But they have not. only that, it goes the other way. The. data goes the other way. 25% more likely. to commit suicide, suicidal ideiation,

depression, anxiety, all those things. ramp up once they've transitioned. because they realize like they're. they've made a horrible mistake and. they've been influenced by these crazy. people that want to use them as like. virtue flags. They want to use children. as virtue flags. It's [ __ ] insane. They also shouldn't be allowed to call. them a different thing than when they. call them they call them chemical. castration drugs for sex offenders, but. yet they call them puberty blockers and.

gender affirming care. Gender affirming. care. Isn't that lovely? Yeah. It's it's. [ __ ] barbaric and bananas. And we're. going to look back at it the same way we. looked at labbotoies. You know, we. performed labbotoies for I think roughly. around 50 or 60 years for I think they. stopped it in 1967. I think that's when. they stopped the last labbotoies and. then they realized like, oh my god, this. is a terrible thing to do, but they did. it for so [ __ ] long. And this is the. same thing that's going to happen with. this this whole gender affirming care.

thing for for minors. It's crazy. Kids. don't know what's going on. You have. children, you know what it's like. Oh, yeah. They go through phases and cycles. They become tomboys and boys play with. dolls. Like, who cares? And a lot, by. the way, a lot of those boys that want. to transition, it turns out they're just. gay. And if you just leave them and let. them be gay, and a lot of my gay friends. [ __ ] hate it because they're like, "You're trying to erase gay people. You're trying to say that all these gay. people are really in the wrong gender.".

That's gosh, I've never thought of it. from that angle. I have seen the. financial component though. Oh, that's a. big problem. Multi-billion dollar. business. That's where it's evil. And. when you look at who's funding this. stuff, Yeah. I remember, my god, I used. to go to the freaking Human Rights. Campaign dinners and donate, you know, when you're fighting for gay marriage. and I'm a good good liberal. And now. when you go to their page, if uh they've. got a score, and forgive me, I can't. remember the freaking name of it, but.

there's a score where they rate. different medical institutions on how. they provide gender affirming care. And. if they get a bad score, it impacts, I. think, how many how much grant money. they can get. There's a page for this. I. believe it's through the HRC on their. website. And when you look at who funds. it, like Fizer, like, oh, that's not at. all surprising. One drug, I think Lupron. is almost a billion dollar a year. business. Boy, off label. I I I forgive. me, it's been a minute since I've looked.

into this, but I'm I'm in the zone for. sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Terrifying stuff. Well, it's just the money thing is so. scary cuz when money gets attached to. anything, all ethics and morals go out. the window and they just try to make as. much money from these things as is human. humanly possible. And they've always. done that. They've always done that. across the board with virtually. everything. And we're surprised when it. happens with children. I don't know. You and I are surprised, but I think most people are not awake at.

all about it. No. No. Most people aren't. awake at all. And if it doesn't affect. them personally, they feel like it's. important to espouse these beliefs. because these beliefs show that you're a. good progressive. Yes. 100%. Yeah. It's. like people's minds have been co-opted. by, you know, I don't necessarily. believe in demons and angels. I don't. believe that. But if you were the devil, like, wouldn't money be your most. valuable tool to get people to do.

absolutely atrocious, evil things that. are going to ruin their lives? Money is. like the devil's playground. It's like. where the devil can convince good people. to do things and then you use words like. gender affirming care and you know you. you can you can kind of like change the. narrative but the end result is really. just you're profiting off of people's. confusion and you're doing so in a way. where you're sacrificing. It's literal. child sacrifice. those children that. wind up committing suicide because they.

went through this gender affirming care. and are horribly depressed and they they. they don't have breasts anymore and. they're so confused and they can't have. children any and they just wind up. killing themselves and this is. sacrifice. This is like a form of child. sacrifice for financial gain. I mean, you're not sacrificing them to the gods. or to demons. You're doing it to money. And it's really wild that we can't see. that. We can't like look at all the data. and see the and understand like the the.

complex interaction of human beings and. people that are around them that. influence them and you know that they. get encouragement and then they get. positive feedback and then they show up. at school wearing lipstick and. everyone's like, "You're amazing. You're. amazing now, Bobby. Now that you're. Roberta, like now you're amazing. You. used to be some guy that got stuffed. into a locker and now you're a girl. who's incredible and you're you're. giving them this positive feedback, you. know, and it's money and it's the people. are profiting off of it. It's [ __ ].

insane and it's so wild to watch it all. play out and realize like we are so. vulnerable to influence. Human beings. are so I mean this is why cults exist. This is why people are willing to be. religious martyrs and blow themselves up. and which by the. way like why do they do that? Why do. they get kids to wear suicide vest? Cuz. you can't convince a 55year-old guy to. do it. 55 guy with a job and a family. and a lot of you know interest and good.

friends. Tough to get him to wear that. suicide vest, you know. He's like, "What? What am I doing? I'm going to a. mall. What the [ __ ] No. Why am I doing. that? I'm going to heaven and I'm going. to get 72 virgins. Can you Can you show. me these virgins? Like, is there a. [ __ ] What? What happened to them? How. do these poor virgins wind up in heaven. just getting raped by this 55-year-old. guy who blew himself up? Like, this is. [ __ ] insane. Insane. I know. Well, you can't get adults to believe that, but you can get children to believe. that. So, we don't want to like take.

that same ability to influence and then. just transfer it over to children. And. and. I'm not quite sure why the human mind is. so fragile. I've I've asked myself that. so many times. And this is this is going. to sound totally off pieced here, but. you you brought up demons and what have. you. And I just watched that I didn't. read the book, so forgive me, but I. watched the documentary on the book. Chaos on Netflix. Oh, yeah. I read the. book. Okay. Are you not.

completely I I cannot wrap my head. around how Manson got seemingly normal. people to commit this kind of murder. And when you listen to these women talk. about it, they're like, "And then I. stabbed her 15 times and I felt the. knife go into her hipbone and she looked. at me and said, I'm dead." And that like. no emotion. What did you do to this.

woman's mind? And you can't say she's an. outlier, right? Because he was able to. convince the group of people. I I cannot. understand this kind of Well, that's. fragility. What is that? That's Is it. not? Is it that? Do you think it's that? No. 100%. That's Jolly West. Jolly West. was the CIA operative who visited Manson. in jail. He's also the guy that visited. Jack Ruby after he shot Kennedy. And. then Jack Ruby starts saying, "I'm. seeing demons and the Jews are on fire.".

And you know, Jack Ruby didn't have a. history of mental illness like that, like like complete psychotic breakdowns, but he did after Jolly West visited him. in jail. Yeah. Those like there's like. real documentation about those. experiments. One of them is Operation. Midnight Climax. So the CIA was. operating brothel and they were. operating brothel where they would have. two-way mirrors and they would be behind. the mirrors and these prostitutes who. were working for the CIA would give the.

John's LSD and then they would observe. them. This is all document. This is you. know I I I knew a little bit about MK. Ultra obviously and that they were using. psychedelics to influence people and try. to gain mind control in particular. Yeah. Okay. So here's my question. though. This is what I find so. fascinating. Do you think that the LSD. simply accelerated that mental. vulnerability or the ability to warp. someone's mind? Because when you tell. people now you're going to perform a sex.

change on a. child, they think that's a good idea. And I'll I'll tie it back to one thing. that also is seemingly unrelated, but. everyone's outraged about RFK. He's not. a doctor. Oh my god, he's he's trying to. get to the root of autism and he's. misguided about it. Where was your. outrage when Xavier Bachera, who's not a. doctor, wanted to remove all age limits. for sex changes on kids, whether surgery. or not, the medicalization component.

that we talked about. Like that to me is. a group psychosis. I wonder like to get. an adult to I'm like, where's your. outrage and your concern about this cuz. this is batshit crazy. And nobody said a. word. Nobody cared. It went completely. under the radar. And you I'm just. wondering if the ability to capture. someone's mind in the way that they did. through these CIA studies, did LSD. simply accelerate a vulnerability that's. already pre-existing and you're watching. the brainwashing of people go on over.

the course of decades? Cuz if you said. this to a person arguably when in. Obama's first term when he ran on gay. marriage that you were going to run sex. changes on children in the year. 2024 people would have lost their. freaking mind, right? So it's just a. complete it is it's just they they must. have been brainwashed though. Yeah, it. is brainwashing and cults we all know. that cults are real, right? We all know. about the Manson family. We all know. about Jim Jones. We all know about.

cults. And we know that human beings are. very vulnerable to group influence. Now, when you have someone that's actually. being trained by people that are. psychologists and that understand. influence and then also trained in using. the implementation of LSD on these. people. One of the things that Manson. would do is he would pretend to take LSD. and then he would give it to them and. then influence them while they were. under the influence. And he was sober. And this is sober. This was all learned.

through the Harvard LSD studies which by. the way created the uni bomber. Ted. Kazinski was a part of the Harvard LSD. studies. Oh my god. How do I not know. this? Yeah. Well, I know he was a. genius, you know, which well he had. there was a bunch of things wrong with. him. First of all, when he was a baby, he was severely ill and they put him in. some sort of an infirmary and he didn't. have any human touch for months. Wow. For months. They just they like when he. cried and he's in his crib, they left.

him there. His brother talked about it. There's a documentary on Netflix about. him and his brother talked about like. even before the Harvard LSD studies. He. they would, you know, he was like really. [ __ ] up. Really [ __ ] up. Complete. lack of empathy like and just sociopath. Yeah. Complete sociopath as a young man. And it would express itself when he. would experience rejection from women. He would have like violent reactions to. that rejection and write them horrific. letters and and torture them and yell at.

them and Jesus, it's so scary. And then. then he goes through the Harvard LSD. studies which a part of his particular. studies was humiliation. So he would be. under the influence and they would. humiliate him and they would abuse him. and try to get him to a certain state of. mind. So then this guy goes off to. Berkeley, becomes a becomes a professor. and his whole idea is to just make. enough money so that he can implement. this program. Here's what's crazy about.

his ideas. He's kind of right. Okay, so. he's kind of right and he thinks that. technology is going to replace human. beings. Like he sees this through all of. his acid trips that human beings are. going to be rep and we probably are. Yeah, we probably are going to be. replaced by AI. We probably are going to. be replaced by synthetic life that we. create and we're facilitating that with. our reliance on technology. So, he. decides he's going to live off the grid. in a cabin and kill all the people that.

are involved in technology. A very. twisted, distorted reaction to this. thing that we're recognizing as being. real in 2025 that we are experiencing. We have AI on our phones now, right? you. know, we're we're constantly being. monitored. We're constantly being. surveiled. Your your rights are getting. very murky because all your data is. being given away. Everybody knows. everything about you. It's easy to. influence people with algorithms and. also with bots and it's being used for.

political discourse. It's being used for. so many different things. Essentially, you know, we don't want to think that. cults can be half the country, but for. sure it can be half the country. It. could be the whole country. If you live. under Sharia law, it's the whole. country. Of course, the whole country. believes that women have to cover every. part of their body except their. eyeballs, you know, and this is this. this kind of thinking. We're very. vulnerable to group think and especially. group think that's being like. intentionally manipulated also and then.

being done with psychedelic drugs. Now, they did it during the Manson era. because they were trying to stop the. anti-war movement. So, they were trying. to like the hippies and all these people. that were like, "Hey, make love, not. war." Right? like we have to change the. association that the general public has. with these people because too many. people are joining up with them. And so. what they did was they got the Manson. family and they got him to commit these. horrific crimes. And every time Charles. Manson would get arrested, he would get. led out of jail. I mean, he was. violating parole left and right. And the.

cops that arrested him were all being. told when when they were interviewed, they they would say, "This is above my. pay grade. They're telling me that I. have to let him go." So they would be. contacted by someone from the State. Department or wherever and saying, "Let. him go." I saw that somewhat alluded to. in the documentary of like, "Well, you. know, when the one guy I'm going to. botch this, never mind." Bottom line is. they they generally alluded to that, but. because I didn't read the book, there. wasn't that kind of in-depth takeaway. from Yeah. Unfortunately, the.

documentary is only like what, like 90. minutes. The Yeah, it's very short. The. book draws a connection, but it doesn't. prove out its points. And I couldn't. quite understand. And I'm like, well, where's the proof of until until you. just explained it to Tom O'Neal, uh, the. guy who wrote that book is, uh, he's. been on the podcast before. He was my. friend Greg Fitz Simmons neighbor in New. York and, uh, he was writing this 20. plus years. So, Greg was his friend when. it was happening, like when when he.

start so what he was doing is he was. writing uh, an article. I think it was. for Vanity Fair or Variet, I forget, but. the article was on the anniversary of. the Manson killings. And so it was. supposed to be just like, hey, this is. uh the anniversary, just write an. article about the facts. So he starts. going into the facts of the case and. he's like, what? Wait a minute. And so. he starts investigating and he can't. investigate enough. And then he gets in. trouble because like the deadlines.

passed and then he gets a book deal and. the deadline passes on that. He's just. completely obsessed with getting to the. bottom of this and absorbing more and. more information and documenting it all. He's got enough for many books and he I. think I believe he's writing another. book right now. That is absolutely. insane. Yeah. You know that the huge. irony is that these drugs can as we both. know these drugs can save lives. And I. was just talking to Cali and Bighgam and. you know who who are involved in the.

Texas I gain initiative and what's so. fascinating is very different drug. Okay. But what about psilocybin? Like. when I talked to also very different. drug is it really very very different. drug. Yeah. LSD is very different. Use. psilocybin or rib gain or any of that. stuff. I thought they did. Not with. that. But perhaps you could if you did. it correctly, if you knew how to. manipulate people like Jolly West was. wellversed in manipulation. I mean, this. was the whole part of the CIA's program.

And the By the way, it's not just the. CIA, it's other intelligence agencies. MI5 was doing it. The the the um the UK. studies on psychedelics. You could see. the videos of British troops on acid. They they they do up these British. troops from n I want to say it's the. 1950s. Do you know that video, Jamie? You know the video. We've played it. before. But these guys are, you know, in. with full fatigues just laughing, leaning up against trees, laughing. They. gave him LSD. To what end? Well, they.

want to find out what it does. They. thought it was a truth serum. Turns out. it's not like, well, what can it do? And. then so they're they used people to try. to figure out what can be done with it. So this is 25 minutes. Let's put your. headphones on real quick. Okay. The. first effects of the drug became. apparent. 25 minutes the drug became. apparent. The men began to relax and to. giggle. But this man was more seriously. affected and had to be removed from the. exercise. After 35 minutes, one of the.

radio operators had become incapable of. using his set, and the efficiency of the. rocket launcher team was also very. impaired. 10 minutes later, the attacking section. had lost all sense of urgency. Notice. the bunching and indecision as they. enter a wood occupied by the enemy. Almost immediately, the section. commander tried to use a map to find the. location of troop headquarters, and a. prisoner's escort had to have the way. pointed out to him, although it was in.

plain sight, 700 yardds away over open. country. 50 minutes after taking the drug, radio. communication had become difficult, if. not impossible, but the men are still. capable of sustained physical effort. This man nearly succeeded in failing. this tree using only a. spade. However, constructive action was. still attempted by those retaining a. sense of responsibility in spite of. physical symptoms. But 1 hour and 10. minutes after taking the drug, with one.

man climbing a tree to feed the birds, the commander gave up, admitting that he. could no longer control himself or his. men. Yeah. So, this is one of the first. experiments they did with LSD and and. soldiers. Would you be trying to spray. the air over the the opposition? I mean. otherwise what what's the you could you. could infect their food supply. You. could infect their water supply. So. using it against your enemy so to speak.

You could do that. Yeah. Okay. That's I. mean I mean there was also some. experiments that they ran um I think it. was in St. Louis where they were using a. fan and they were spraying things air. aerosol spraying to see what kind of. effect things would have on people. Like. our government, if you give them the. license, right? I don't want to say our. our government. Let's just stop saying. that. Let's just say human beings with.

unchecked power. Human beings with. unchecked power that are they have an. imperative. Like what are they trying to. do? Well, they're trying to figure out. what this stuff does and what's the best. way to do it. You tried it out on. soldiers. Like they've always done that. with vaccines and a bunch of different. experimental uh androgens. They've. dossed them up with steroids and and all. sorts of different things to increase. aggression. Methamphetamine was used. during the war to get karmicazis to fly. their planes into boats, too. Nazis did. a week out of his Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I've seen that footage of him. I. think it was at the Olympics. Yes. 1936. Olympics. Just [ __ ] rocking. Just. rocking. I I heard that he did not have. that they propped him up on that to the. degree that he was able to subsequently. convince Mussolini to jump into the mix. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus. Have you ever read. Blitzed? No. It's uh Do we have it here. still, Jamie? out there. Um Norman Oler. Norman Oler wrote this insane book on. the ubiquitous use of drugs during the.

Third Reich and how uh it caused them to. go through Poland in three days because. they stayed up for three [ __ ] days on. meth and they gave the most meth to the. people that were driving the tanks. because they were at the front. So it. was like they gave different doses. depending on what your job was and they. just methed up ran through Poland and. they they caught these people just like. in France the like their soldiers were. given wine. So these people were like.

drunk and then the Nazis came through me. up and just [ __ ] killed everybody. You know I've heard I don't know if this. is true or not. So I I heard that. similar things were given. Forgive me. for throwing this out there. could be. total [ __ ] But to Hamas on the. October 7th attack in order to be able. to commit those kinds of atrocities. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know either. I've heard I've heard it through friends. who are Israeli. It could be [ __ ]. But I I would wonder if you have to. commit those kinds of violent acts.

against another human. being. I would I would imagine you'd. have to be altered in some capacity. I I. can't even fathom being able to I I. don't know. I I can't I can't wrap my. head. I think human beings are capable. of great atrocities without any kind of. one like that though. Yeah. Really? Yeah, they do it. I mean, look at. Vietnam. Look at the things that people. did during Vietnam. I don't I don't. think they do them up in Vietnam. No, I. guess you're right. And you know, in. Vietnam, people were taking heroin and.

smoking weed and they were still doing. that. It's people have an evil capacity. to other other people and decide. You. see it politically, you know, in this. country like people on the left will. demonize people on the right, people on. the right will demonize people on the. left. It's just like it's a tribal thing. that it's it's a an echo of our past. because essentially when we were small. tribes of 150 people and then you got.

invaded by a neighboring tribe, you had. to be able to commit extreme violence. against the other and you had to be able. to think of them as not you. That's not. a person. That's that's them and you. have to be able to go after them. I I can understand by the group and. Okay. Right. Fair. But. the so visceral and hideous and I I. don't mean to bring the vibe down. But. it's it's some it's one thing to to kill.

another human being that I have to. This. is how we survive or what whatever it. is. We're fighting Nazis and you don't. have a choice. Okay, fair. But to behead ju just the you know the. that kind of stuff I just think torture. Yeah. There's no I I often ask this is this is. going to a very unplanned place, but I. ask myself what I'm capable of if. somebody hurt my kids or hurt my wife or. hurt my mom. Like, what would I be. capable of doing? I bet you'd be capable. of extreme violence. I think without.

question, but I would be capable of it. But I. don't like blood. I can't stand blood. I. don't like guts. It would it would make. me sick. It would horrify me. So, I'm. like, how would I This is the [ __ ] that. tortures me in the middle of the night. when I can't sleep. Like, how far. removed am I from this mentality? Like, am I just a few catastrophes away from. losing my mind and becoming a lunatic? Well, that's the appeal of The Walking. Dead, right? The Walking Dead, the. zombies become inconsequential. The real. problem is people. Yes, that's so true.

And I I could do a hell of a lot of. horrendous things, but I couldn't like. some of the torture methods. I just I. don't How do you have the stomach for. it? Well, like look at what they did. during the Inquisition. You can't say. that that was drugs. These were people. that just decided they were going to. torture people and they they. had, you know, they decided they. otherred people and this is this is a a. really evil aspect of human nature. How.

do you defend against it, do you think? Seriously, like if we all have it in us, what is the antidote to that? You have. to have a strong. army to have people that can defend you. against people that want to do that to. people here, you know, and that's and. and then they have to have a strong. ethical and moral foundation where they. would never be compromised. Yeah. They. have to be the good guys. They have to. think that they're the good guys and. have a very strong ethical and moral. foundation that doesn't allow them to. compromise that. It's tough though.

because when people fight dirty, it's. such a massive disadvantage, right? That. then you think, well, I'm going to lose. if I don't make this sacrifice in how. I'm behaving or how I'm tackling this. Well, we like to think that we're the. good guys, but the the biggest thing. that's ever been done to human beings. that's horrific is the nuclear bomb. Like indiscriminate killing of. civilians, hundreds of thousands, boom, in one shot. Okay. The argument being. that you drop it and then the war ends.

So, it's it's the the the lesser of. evils. You know, you you you've. sacrificed I don't know how many. hundreds of thousands of people in that. moment, but did you save millions down. the road? And can you justify the. behavior. utilizing that logic of well, you know, I committed this atrocity, but I saved. more lives. Like, that's the slippery. slope that I I think about often is you. were just talking about this the other. day when, you know, be careful you don't. become a monster. Yeah, when you're. fighting monsters and sometimes it's.

that it's that, you know, firefighting. fire conversation. You want to use. water, but what if it doesn't work? Yeah. Sometimes you have to become a. monster. Sometimes you honestly, Joe, I. hate to say it, but sometimes you have. to. Yeah. If you want to defeat evil, you have to become a monster because if. you don't, you won't beat it. You You. have to do horrific things to beat. horrific people. You have to kill them, right? Like if someone's invading and. they're shooting guns at people and. they're they show up at the beach and. they pull up in boats and they start. gunning people down. You have to do the.

same to stop that. There there's you. can't like bring out daisies and go, "Hey guys, like I bake you these pot. brownies. Just like let's just chill. Let's just rethink this, man." I. Sebastian Younger said this to me once. He's like, "Listen, if you aren't. willing to talk to the worst enemy, you. have to fight them. But it's when the. talking doesn't work." And you see that. all the time. You see I I see it in my. own personal life when all of my best. intentions and my my calmst demeanor and.

my most empathetic approach to something. fails because you're just not dealing. with somebody who is rational or. well-intentioned. And if you broaden. that out, well then imagine a language. barrier. We have no idea what they're. saying, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then a. cultural barrier where their their. culture believes that if they die that. they're going to go to heaven and that. there'll be a martyr. And so they're. they're willing to do that. They're. they're excited to to to die and to kill. you with them because they believe that.

the real the real prize is not in this. life. That is it's in the next life. Insane that we could. But this we're. very vulnerable. We're very vulnerable. to this kind of thinking. And I don't. know why we're designed this way. I. don't either. It's a distortion probably. of tribal survival primate instincts. You know, you see it with Have you ever. watched Chimp Nation? No. I was actually. going to say animals don't have it, but. then here we are. Oh, they do. Really? I.

mean, I know lions will kill. They're. territorial. But the capacity for. torture, I've never seen that in the. animal kingdom. That kind of Have you. ever see a cat with a mouse? Okay. Yeah, I guess I have. Yeah, they torture mice. They hold on to them and then they let. him go and the mouse's like, "Oh jeez, he's going to let me go." Like, "Not. today, motherfucker." And then they. torture him and want to keep playing. with them. Yeah. They have zero empathy. Cats are the worst. Yeah. That's They. have zero empathy, especially house.

cats, cuz they're wellfed, right? So, they're not doing it for food. They're. just doing it because they have. instincts to kill. Like they're these. instincts are being they're they're. being distorted, right? Because like the. real instinct that they have to kill is. so that they could survive. But when. they're fully fed, they don't turn those. instincts off, you know, now they just. have this kill drive that's never. satiated. And you know, cats are the. perfect killer. They move so fast. They're so stealthy. They have it from.

the time they're kittens. You see them. crawl up to each other like very slowly, very and jump on each other. I'm. thinking about our cat actually as. you're talking. And when we lived in. Miami, he would use the dog door and he. would bring in iguanas. Wow. Yeah. This. big. Yeah. Ain't it crazy? My wife would be like, "Honey, you know, chasing this [ __ ] iguana around the. house." It was It was rid Yeah. And he. wouldn't he wouldn't kill it. No, they're not trying to kill it. They're. having fun. He was having fun. Now that.

I I mean, you have a little murderer. that you live with. Yeah. Yeah. Cute. little bastard. Yes, that's what cats. are, you know, and that's a part of. their essence. I mean, they are the. cleanup crew. They're they're there to. make sure the populations don't get out. of control. God, you bring up such a. great point. I've always seen the. numbers on cats, like domestic cats, what they kill every year. The birds I. know they kill like crazy billions. Billions billions billions of birds cat. everybody know this. Let's look at the. numbers because people I we brought it.

up before but it's it's worth repeating. because it's it's kind of crazy. So it. sort of illustrates this point. So this. is like billions. Yes. Be with bee like. multip cats. Oh it does. They don't have. to be. They they kill hundreds. Each cat. feral cats are ruthless. House cats, feral cats, wild cats, any. cat that's outside. Yeah, they instantly. kill. Okay, here it is. Domestic cats. are leading cause of bird deaths in the. United States. Estimated to kill 1.3 and.

4 billion birds annually. This includes. both pet cats and cats that roam. outdoors and feral cats. Jesus. American. Bird Conservancy estimates that. freeranging cats kill approximately 2.4. million. It's hard to know what the real. numbers are, right? But they know it's. in the billions. It's it's in the. billions. But imagine how many birds. there would be if cats didn't do that. Like who's going to kill them? Like they. [ __ ] the sky would be filled with. birds. You go outside just get [ __ ] on. everywhere. Like Alfred Hitchcock movie.

It's kind of crazy. I mean when you when. you do look back at the plague and they. started killing all the cats because. they were associated with witches and. that's when the plague was able to kind. of run more rampant because the cats. were keeping that rat population down. and like the fleas on the rats caused. Well, that's a coyote problem in. California, right? Like people like, "Oh, I hate coyotes." Right? But do you. hate coyotes more than you hate rats? Because coyotes are the reason why rats. aren't everywhere, you know, like where. I used to live. Like I there was a lot. of coyotes, but I don't see very many.

rats. And that's the reason why like the. wolves, the little wolves, which is what. a coyote is, a small wolf. They're rat. killers and rabbit killers and. everything else they get a hold of. They. I I mean it's it's obvious that they're. playing a role in you this to control. Yeah. Exactly. But I because everyone in. California just thinks they ate my. Pomeranian. I don't see they probably. did. Yeah. And they probably did. I. mean, as a child, they ate my daughter's.

puppy. Yeah. They um But a mountain lion. ate one of my dogs when I lived in. Colorado. Yeah. It's like there's cats. are [ __ ] you know, and. predators like at least predators are. doing it for food. Well, I was going to. say you don't hold it against as a child. I lost a dog to a coyote. To this day, I. don't I don't have like I don't hate. coyotes. It's like, well, the dog was in. the yard and we didn't coyote proof the. yard enough. Let's [ __ ] coyote proof. the yard. You can't really coyote proof. your yard either. I had a coyote kill a.

chicken in my yard. We had a six foot. tall uh six foot tall row iron fence. with the rollers on it. Did you? No, we. didn't have the rollers, but the coyote. with the chicken in its mouth leap to. the top like a ballerina. Like it was so. elegant the way I was really impressed. with its athleticism. And as a person. who like admires physical feats, I was. like, "Well, that's very impressive. because with a chicken in its mouth, leaped up to the top of the fence, got. its paws on it, went over just so. gracefully and so adept. It was really.

impressive." Okay, fair. This is I I. guess animals do have a propensity for. cats in particular. I I did not think of. it that way. That makes me feel a little. better because the cat thing is [ __ ]. up because they're not even doing it for. food. It's but it's like that thing. inside of them has been it's there. You. can't satisfy it with just food. I mean. they literally are the cre the cleanup. crew for nature. That's what they are in. Africa when you see them. They're. looking for the wounded antelopes.

They're looking for anybody who's old. They're looking for anybody who just. can't run fast enough. And that's what. they do. And that's how they keep the. populations down. You know, this is the. reason why they've reintroduced wolves. into Colorado. And that's the reason why. they reintroduced wolves in Montana and. the elk populations decreased. significantly because the elk. populations were out of control, right? They brought in wolves and the wolves. like radically dropped the population. down and they even do surplus killing. where they'll kill a bunch of things. where they can't eat. They but just that.

they can't help themselves. They have. the opportunity to kill and so they do. So what is the what is the antidote to. this within the human population? Because I see the necessity for. survival, but it it can make you quite. depressed if you let it. It can make you. a bit nihilistic. Yeah. And and fighting. for the hope and the good is so my see. my mom says that to me all the time. because when I try to show her some of.

the things you and I talked about in the. beginning and I'm like don't you see and. this is rigged and who's really pulling. the strings and these are bad guys and. she's like honey I'm 76 like leave me. alone and I want I want to there's. nothing wrong with that. You know she's. like I want to see the good in people. try to see Mr. Rogers, look for the. helpers. But you can fall into really. becoming nihilistic about humanity when. you when you witness these things and.

have these conversations. And I I try so. hard to not go there in my head, but. it's hard not to. Well, we are a. primitive become that way. We're a. primitive evolving species and we're. we're still trapped with these primate. bodies. We're territorial primates with. weapons, you know, and we're still. trapped with the same same instincts. that got us to the dance. The same. instincts that caused us to create. walled cities, which, you know, allowed.

us to survive and then agriculture, which allowed us to develop surpluses. And then people wanted those surpluses, nomads, and they came in. the the roving. barbarians, the Mongolian hordes, you. know, this is this is like all part of. our history and this is b the battle of. good versus evil and the battle of good. versus evil. I think this duality has to. exist. I think you have to have good to. combat evil and you have to have evil to. keep good in check like to enhance good.

and to force people to. really to to to rise and to innovate and. to figure out how to defeat evil. Without evil and without the idea of. these hordes, we never would have. developed cities. If we never developed. cities, we never would have gone through. the industrial revolution. We're not we. wouldn't develop cities if we were just. like roving peaceful nomadic hunter. gatherers. It just we would be the same. It serves its purpose. I've read all. I've read all my Khalil Jbron and it's. like oh you know the the the deeper your.

pain like the more ability you have for. empathy and I get all of it but it's. it's seemingly imbalanced now. And I. guess that's what I mean. It's always. like that but that's that is what causes. people to strive to do better. I hope. you're right Joe. I think it is. You're. definitely one of those guys, which is. which is why bringing it back to the. very beginning, I think that you're. number one, but I also think, you know, you're. one out of quite a few. Well, I hope.

you're right. You know, you have to. have principles that you live your life. by, right? And be aware of evil, but do. your best to be good. Yeah. And and you. see the fight without evil like you have. no desire to be like why why be so why. be wonderful why be kind and why there's. no contrast there's no there's nothing. you're fighting against like this is. unfortunately what motivates.

what makes you choose though okay so. another thing that I've thought about. often is like evil never stops going. have you ever heard like good has to. decide when it gets out of bed in the. morning like you're on the freeway and. someone's got a is broken down on the. side of the freeway and it's like do you. it are you late for something? Are you. wor there are a million things that will. influence whether or not I stop that day. but a bad guy will always see an. opportunity to go after that person.

Evil works tirelessly and good requires. a sacrifice. You sacrifice yourself way. less evil than there is good. Your mic. just cut off. Mine did? Yeah. Did you uh. disconnect the mic cable? Me? No, I. think it's disconnected. Where the mic? Too dark of a conversation. It's like. that's it. No more of this dark [ __ ] Is. it back now? Oh, yep. That's weird. I. didn't even touch it. It's happened. before. I don't know. Okay, back. Yeah, this is evil's trying to stop me from.

saying the moment I'm saying there's. more good than there is evil. The mic. just connects. Yeah, I think. unfortunately evil can co-opt people and. because good people can become evil when. they experience so much evil that they. have to become, you know, become a. monster, fight against monsters. I I'm. seeing it even in in the health. space as sometimes I'll you know Brigham. is dealing with the FDA stuff right now. and I was talking to him this morning. and he's like Jillian and he's talking. about trying to compound peptides and.

there's a war on peptides and there's a. war on stem cells and of course it's. like the cutting edge of medicine but. he's like describing what they're going. up against in dealing with this and it's. it's evil. Like why would you want to. prevent these lifesaving treatments? Well, that's a perfect example. That's. money. And if money is the devil that. that's a perfect example because the. need though, Joe. Yeah. You though, the. problem is corporations you I'm sure.

you've seen this before. Corporations. behave like a psychopath, right? Because. corporations don't have humanity. And. when you have a corporation, which I. don't know how we get away from not. having corporations, so what's the. solution there? But corporations have an. obligation to their shareholders. Yeah. And sometimes you have to do [ __ ] up. things in order to make more money. And. that's when you're in the business of. drugs. Like that's like if you're in the. business of making movies, I mean, what. [ __ ] up things can you do to make more.

movies and make movies that more people. going to see? Really nothing. It's like. you just have to make them resonate with. people. But if you're selling drugs, well boy, you can influence people. You. can lie about studies. You can have your. scientists perform studies and then. throw out all the studies that don't. jive with whatever you're trying to. sell. Compounding kicking compromise. Yeah. You compromise all these politicians and. get them to repeat your narratives. That. should be illegal though. Oh yeah, that. should be that should be illegal. You.

should be able to get rid of But the. problem is it's not. So, how do you get. it out? You You got to reform campaign. finance. Do you remember many moons ago, I believe it was John Edwards who was. running on that many moons ago, but as a. kid, I didn't fully understand what that. meant. As an adult, no one's ever. brought that. I mean, kind of. Here's. step one. You got to say they can't. advertise. That's number one. Because. not only is it not adver advertising is. not really the problem. It's part of the.

problem, but the real problem is when. they advertise, and Cali means talked. about this extensively. Now, the media. will not criticize them because they're. responsible for an enormous percentage. of their income, 70 plus%. But the. issue, I had this conversation recently, and the issue is going to be freedom of. speech here. It's going to be a first. amendment fight, but that's not a first. amendment because you could still do it. on social media. You could still like. make your own podcast if you're. Fizer. They're going to take I am sure. of it. Right. You can't advertise for.

cigarettes on television. Why? Because. we've decided that cigarettes. I think I. think it's kids. I've heard this. conversation and I'm trying to remember. who one of the researchers was, but Cali. was there. Um Mark Hyman was there and. they were having this exact conversation. and one of the people on the other side. was suggesting that they've already. gamed this out and that's the way that. they're going to go. Well, ironically, this is self-sabotage for the media. itself because no one takes them. seriously anymore because they don't do.

that because they don't criticize the. pharmaceutical drug companies. They. don't talk about vaccine side effects. They don't talk about pharmaceutical. drug side effects. They don't they make. you look like you're insane when you do. I was on CNN talking about Ozek one time. and they essentially called me. anti-science because I suggested that a. lot of the drugs Yeah. I was like, well, they're like, well, we give people. statins and we give people blood blood. pressure medication. Look at the [ __ ]. data on statins, by the way. I I was.

initiating that conversation. and I was called anti-science. And. that's not even anti-science. They don't. understand the data. They won't even. allow you to express that on the show. anymore. Then never again invited on CNN. because they're compromised. It's not. really news. It's only the news that. they feel compelled to talk about due to. their financial they buy the narrative. But the problem with that, like look at. the ratings on CNN. They're [ __ ].

collapsing and they're in a a spiral. Why? Because no one trusts them anymore. So the public trust has been eroded. because of their own desire to make more. money. There's an opportunity where a. network wanted me to compete against. these GLP1 drugs and everyone loves the. idea, but the top concern is, oh, what. if Jillian wins and then it'll be a. catastrophe. So, the ad sales department. is like, I don't I don't know that we. can do this. We can't call it Jillian.

versus. We can't call it that. What are. we going to call it? I don't know how. we're going to position this. And I I I. was like, you don't need to we don't. even need to bash it. Let me just do my. job. Let's see what happens. But they're. even afraid like god forbid I won. Yeah. And was able to do it naturally. Do you. think there's an argument for GLP1 drugs. though for people who are morbidly. obese? Cuz I kind of do. Okay. So here's. where I've gotten to on all medications. largely. Um it's a costbenefit analysis.

So if you brought an individual who was. morbidly obese and already had a cerosis. and type two diabetes and chronic kidney. disease and you said we've tried. everything, they're at death store and. this is arguably the last step. Well, in. that case, the downsides of the. medications are far less than not trying. it. So in that instance, you you could. twist my arm for sure. But if you gave.

me my way, I would prefer to look at. what the medications like I gain or. psilocybin could do for the. psychological component, the addictive. component. Yes. One treatment. Yeah. Doesn't go on forever. And then cuz diet. and exercise do work. What's stopping. them from engaging in those habits. consistently is all the stuff we talked. about in the beginning, the. psychological component, the physical. addiction. So you no one's ever tried it. though. So there's there's no way to.

actually know and you can't it's almost. impossible to do the research on it. which is again why the Texas cyber gain. initiative is so important. Yeah. Because you can begin this kind of. research although it is in veterans and. addiction and so on but would that be. the first step and what I've asked the. people in the space like Matt Shepard. for example who is at Shepard Pratt and. one of the guys that's like the foremost. experts on psilocybin and treating. addiction. He's like, "Yeah, theoretically, it would work great.". Theoretically, so for me, I'm like, if.

you if we got all the way to this place. and I had no choice, that's like saying, Jill, if someone had stage four cancer, would you do chemo? I mean, I guess so, but I I'd like to if there was an. alternative way forward, or if we could. prevent it to begin with, that would be. ideal. So, you could twist my arm to. that point. I think there's something to. be said for again what Brigham is doing. at Ways to Well, which is why being able. to compound the GLP-1 drugs allows you. to titrate the dose. So when people. argue with me on this matter, they'll.

suggest that a titrated dose, a lesser. amount of these drugs can be effective. with significantly less side effects. But who, you know, when they're trying. to block that and you can't even explore. it. Yeah, it's all weird because I think the. problem also is competition, right? If. Ibeane becomes ubiquitous and the these. clinics become everywhere, the real. issue becomes how much does that compete. with the pharmaceutical drug markets. value? How much does that decrease their.

their ability to profit? And it's. probably significantly. I mean, if it. impacts anti-depressants alone, that. that's significant. If it if it's if one. treatment could have the impact on. obesity that it does on opioid. addiction, I GLP ones are the most. profitable drug of all. But here's the. thing. If if they do allow the use of. Ibagane and then also they allow the use. of psilocybin. If more people start.

taking it, more people are not going to. buy whatever the pharmaceutical drug. companies are selling and they'll just. naturally sort of deteriorate. You're. always going to have fools. You're. always going to have people that just. want to what do I take? I'll take it. And there's always going to be people. like that. You know, you and those. people are there to give you a lesson. without you having to fall prey to the. the the folly that they have fallen prey. to. I think that's the same with a lot. of addictions, particularly gambling.

addiction. You know, I'm in Vegas all. the time and I don't gamble. I I've. played blackjack for fun, but like 20. bucks here, $100, I don't I don't get. it. But I see it. I see it. I see that. crazed look in the I think gambling. addiction is one of the weirder ones. I've been around it a good portion of my. life. And it's the sweaty [ __ ] faces. This this this need to to gamble is. really nuts. And that's another part of.

the human reward system that's been. hijacked. rewarding. Yeah. Is the most. powerful. Study, have you ever seen it with like. the rats where they push the button, no. food comes out. Push the button, food. comes out. So the ones that get the. intermittent food reward will sit there. and push that damn button until they. collapse of exhaustion. The ones that. push for a little while, get nothing, give up. The ones that push until. they're get food every time, get full. Machine logic. It's the same thing. Yep. It's that intermittent reinforcement. Exceptionally powerful. Easy to.

manipulate. We're weird creatures. I. know. Yeah. And it's again it's all our. survival instincts get hijacked. But if. you gave them an alternative path when. they are ready for help, right? When the. horse is ready to drink and you had an. alternative method that we're seeing. work. Yes. Well, that's the thing. You. have to have freedom of the use of these. alternative methods. And I think. naturally those would overcome. They. would succeed. I think you'd still. probably have gambling addicts. You.

still probably would have people that. want to take all the pharmaceutical. drugs like whatever the doctor wants to. prescribe to them but it would be less. and less and they don't want that which. is why you're seeing the push back from. the FDA with peptides and all these. different things is because they're. concerned that if you give people a. bunch of things that are going to make. them healthy they're not going to take. as many pharmaceutical drugs. Oh without. I mean which is why there's no model for. prevention in in healthcare. It's not. profitable at all. But it's ridiculous. There's a peptide called cerebralizing.

that they give to stroke patients in. other parts of the developed world that. can have a massive impact as well on. cognitive function and can be. neuroprotective. You can't even buy it. here. Literally I I had to find it in. Austria ship it into the country and. Brighamin and Dr. Rexford I was like now. what do I do with. this? He's like bring him to walk me. through how to use it on freaking. FaceTime. He's like, "You It's not It's. ridiculous." Yeah, it is insane. It's.

pretty crazy. And I like at By the way, there's a new stroke drug that I. actually just sent my friend Rich. because our friend Keith Robinson, I. don't have his number, but he suffered. from a stroke. And there's some new drug. that um I'll send this to you, Jamie. Um. these UCLA scientists have developed Oh, you got it already. They developed first. drug rehabilitation to repair brain. damage. drug replicated the recovery of. movement control produced by rehab in. mice. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. So, this is.

new. This is March 18th. Um, new study. by UCL Health has discovered what. researchers say is the first drug to. fully reproduce a side the uh reproduce. the effects of physical stroke. rehabilitation in model mice following. from human studies. Yeah. So, which is. wonderful. It's amazing. So, this is the. benefit of psych of of pharmaceutical. drugs. But there are some pharmaceutical. drugs that are wonderful. So the goal is. to have medicine that stroke patients. can take that produces the effects of.

rehabilitation. Um Dr. S. Thomas. Carmichael, the study's lead author and. professor and chair of UCLA neurology, rehabilitation after stroke is limited. its actual effects because most patients. cannot sustain the rehab intensity. needed for stroke recovery. Further, stroke recovery is not like most other. fields of medicine where drugs are. available to treat the disease such as. cardiology, infectious disease, or. cancer. Carmichael said rehabilitation. is a physical medicine approach that has. been around for decades. We need to move.

rehabilitation into an era of molecular. medicine. So, this is why, you know, you. don't want to throw the baby out with. the medical, right? It's it's always. like that, though. Everything is a. U-shaped curve. Yeah. just drugs that. the pharmaceutical drug companies make. that help people and heal them and fix. them and and save their lives and you. know I couldn't agree with you more. It. it's like but it is totally lock just. like you have to you know keep your kids. from eating all the sugar completely. I. mean I just got the whooping cough and. Joe I literally thought I was going to.

die. I ended up at week seven I called. my internist and I was like I think you. need to check me in the [ __ ]. hospital. this is insane. I think I'm. going to die. And they hit me with the. horns. And the long story short is I am. vaccinated for it, but I guess my vac or. my um my vaccination or my booster is. old. I don't even remember the last time. I got it. My wife is vaccinated. My kids. are vaccinated for it. My mom is. vaccinated for everybody in my my circle. is vaccinated. No one got it.

I strongly recommend getting your DTAP. vaccine because whooping cough it was a. 100 days of it. So for like my point. being like I don't want the co um. Jillian I don't want the COVID vaccine. and I don't need it but I in any. universe for me personally I would if I. would have known I was behind on that. booster. It's like everything has a. costbenefit analysis. Everything it's. like the dose is what makes the poison. Everything is that U-shaped curve and. approaching it with nuance is really the.

only intelligent way forward to make the. best decisions for yourself. But you. need the right information to do that. And we need to have actual access to. data. And this is a a real problem that. we've had in the last few decades. because there's been this revolving door. between the FDA and pharmaceutical drug. companies. So people were there that had. I think it's like seven out of eight. heads of the FDA went on to work for. pharmaceutical drug companies. Revolving. door 100%. Which so you've developed. these relationships with these.

pharmaceutical drug companies where. you're like they're funding the studies, they're funding all and then you leave. and then you go to work for them and you. get a nice cozy job. So you kind of like. I can sideways. I was uh when I was at the Senate. testimony, I can't remember how many. months ago that was, but Cali means had. us meeting with different senators and. their aids and a kid came up to me and I. of course brought that up and he's like. it's so much worse than that. And I was. like, elaborate. What do you mean it's. so much worse than that? And he said,

essentially, they develop the drug, have. stock in the company, go to work at the. FDA, approve the drug, and go back to. the drug company. So, yeah. I was like, "Oh, there's there's another step.". Okay, got it. It's so crazy. It should. be completely illegal. Yeah. I mean, want to talk about a conflict of. interest. That's the biggest conflict. ever. and you're dealing with billions. of dollars in profit. I was working on a. book or have been working on a book.

where it looks at each and every law. that was put into place with good. intentions. You know, the road to hell. is paved with good intentions and how. each and everyone was co-opted by big. food or big a or big pharma to wreck. complete havoc and destruction. Yeah. And that's what you see. That's what you. see and you're going to keep seeing that. if nothing gets changed. And that's. what's encouraging about this. administration. So the thing the thing. that I was most excited about was Bobby.

Kennedy. When Bobby Kennedy united with. Trump, I was like, "Okay, I'm in." He. goes, like, if he can get in there, you. can see real change that's going to. affect the way our lives are forever. That's going to change things. It's. going to give people a real. understanding of what's going on behind. the scenes, why you've been lied to, why. all these drugs are everywhere, why. you're seeing poor health outcomes, why. we're the richest nation in the world, but also the sickest, you know, why and. across the board with education. We're.

the richest nation in the world. We have. the we have terrible education scores. Like, why why since we developed the. Department of Education have our scores. plummeted? Like, what is that? And. again, road to hell, good intentions. 100%. I I was speaking with Cali and. he's like, you know, don't pull punches. because you you want to be diplomatic, but I am finding myself defending. Kennedy, who by the way, I've met twice. I have no I don't work for this.

administration. I have no personal. affiliation. It's just right and wrong. There is a huge problem that needs to be. addressed and this administration wants. to address it. And yet you are seeing. the resistance. You are seeing the. opposition flood the zone with. hysteria. 24 [ __ ] seven and it's. crazy. It's constantly taking people off. pie. Oh, I actually did an interview the. other day on NewsNation where the host.

was like, well, you know, he promised. results on autism by September and. that's unrealistic. And I was like, who. gives a [ __ ] if it's unrealistic? Aren't. you glad we're looking at it? It's. genetic. I'm like, do you really believe. that? Why would anybody say that without. doing decades of research themselves? I. cannot I do you really think? Do you. know California's it's now some insane. number like one in 12 boys? It's it's. higher in California obviously than. anywhere else in the country and boys in.

particular over girls. Yeah, but the. reality is that we don't know. Well, they also think that one of the reasons. why it's boys over girls is like in. girls it's like less obvious. It's less. diagnosed. That's interesting. I've seen. that. I'm not sure if that's true either. because that's the argument also is. like, oh, autism has always been here. It's just it just hasn't been diagnosed. correctly. Like that was debunked though. by the mind institute at UC Davis was. like, no, the [ __ ] It it was one in. 150 20 years ago. But people don't want.

to admit they did that to their kids. And so they will defend it to the death. Just like people who have turned their. kids trans don't want to admit that. these are chemical castration drugs. They don't want to admit it. They don't. want to admit that they possibly have. contributed to mental disease to mental. health disease to to anxiety and. depression and suicide. No. No. No. Would you rather have a live boy or a. dead girl? Like what? Exactly. What are. you [ __ ] saying? But it's a closed. system. And what I mean by that is even.

if I did the gimme, oh, you're right. Autism is genetic. Well, what about the. rise in early onset cancer diagnosis, the rise in obesity, the steady increase. of infertility year after year after. year? We went from adult onset diabetes. to type 2 diabetes because children have. type two diabetes now. Like it's come. on, how far you want to push it? People. are not stupid. They're not. You can. capture them to a point, but when the.

evidence is overwhelming, we are sicker. than ever. And the resistance is. mindblowing to this guy every day. Oh. well, now you know he fired the guy. that's tracking. gonorrhea. I'm like, you know what I. mean? Wear a [ __ ] condom for God's. sake. Like if you were that worried, hopefully that guy will get his job. back. But at the end of the day, he's. also tackling the grass rule and trying. to get to the bottom of autism and. getting poison out of baby formula and.

removing soda from snaps. It's just. like, where is the perspective for the. general public to read through the media. [ __ ] Well, the problem is it's gone. tribal, right? And when you have an us. versus them thing going on, which is. what we do here in this country, you. know, like I keep seeing like people on. online saying in these dark times, like. are these times so dark? Like what is. happening that you know, you know it's. dark? Yeah, if you're living in Gaza, it's pretty [ __ ] dark. If you're.

living in Ukraine, pretty dark. But like. here is have things gone dark? Like you. call this totalitarian regime? Like. okay, what's totalitarian? That they're. cutting fraud and waste. Like, have you. paid attention to the fraud and waste? Have you paid attention to the fact they. spent $250 million on transgender animal. studies? Like, where's your [ __ ]. money going? You're not concerned with. this unchecked spending that this. government has been able to do for. decade upon decade and these millions of. NOS's. Do you know there's an NGO in.

India for every 600 people? I did not. I. I have heard it's a CIA slush. I've. watched that episode with my friends. At. least 10 of them. 3 million NOS in. India. There's an NGO in India for every. 600 people. And this is why we're $36 trillion in. debt. Those numbers are nuts. Can I can I be. the the the uh the opposition on this? Sure, please do. There's children that. are starving, Joe. You've taken their.

food away. Well, we definitely shouldn't. do that. You know what? You know, if you. can prove that this this is also the. problem with charities. This is the dark. truth of charities is that most. charities the money goes to bureaucracy. A huge percentage of it goes to. overhead. And in fact, most charities, the vast majority of the money never. gets to the charity. Homelessness in. California, 24 billion. gone. Where is it? It was Yeah. Where's. the money and the problems worse? Free.

needles or something. Yeah. Exactly. That's exactly what it was spent on. It. wasn't even. It's probably fraud and. waste. It's both. And there's also in. well my friend Kolon Noir um he brought. this up and I I was never aware of it. until he said it. He went to San. Francisco and he saw the rampant and. he's a lawyer so he went to San. Francisco and he saw all this. homelessness and he's like what is the. problem? There's not enough funding and. a guy over there going no no no no you. don't understand it's the opposite. There's a business now. So these people. that are working in the homeless, you.

know, whatever the organization, they're. making4 million dollars a year, half a. million some cases. I I don't know if. you've seen Anna Casparian talk about. this, but she. can elaborate on this subject matter to. the point that you literally want to. forcibly remove Gavin Newsome from. office. It It is staggering. And some of. them a half a million bucks and nothing. They're doing a great job. Just imagine. if they weren't there, how much homeless. we would have. We'd all be homeless. I.

know this is You've seen him talk. Everyone would be homeless. So, just. relax. Well, you know, it's it's I just. had this conversation actually. I was. talking to Corolla and he was telling me. that Gavin Newsome had told him back in. the day that the face of homelessness. was not addiction um and mental illness. It was women and and children. And. there's a loophole. Um, a friend of mine. who's a reporter with the New York Times. looked into it because she's like, "Why. didn't you push back on that?" I'm like, "Because he's right." She goes, "No, no,

no. I looked into it and it's women and. children." Then she ended up getting to. the bottom of the loophole. And the way. that he was able to put forward that. narrative is that homeless is a person. without a stable address and that's. predominantly women and children. But. unsheltered is what we consider. homeless. The people in the streets and. the tent camps. And arguably that is. largely. So what is I don't understand. what's the definition. Okay. So so Nome. was saying to Corolla like you're so. insensitive and the the face of the.

children don't own homes. He was saying. that women like the mom that owns two. jobs. That's who I'm trying to save. Like we don't need to tackle addiction. and we don't need to tackle mental. illness because this is a this is about. the. underprivileged individual, the female, a single mom with two kids who, you. know, this is the face of homelessness. And Corolla was like, "You're a. sociopath. It's addicts and people with. mental illness." And I ended up then in.

a debate with with this journalist who's. who's lovely um named Molly. And she's. like, "Well, the statistics say that. homelessness is in fact women and. children." But when I challenged her and. sent her San Francisco, whatever, we go. back and forth. And she ended up coming. back to me after doing the homework and. there is a distinction between homeless. and. unsheltered. So homeless are people with. unstable addresses and that is women and. children. So I'm like how the why in a.

tempor I I I couldn't quite extrapolate. what so is it like divorce? I I guess. it's like in temporary housing or you. know in an apartment somewhere but. unsheltered the people on the street. that you and I would go homeless in the. tent camp outside on the sidewalk. So that's what he's doing. Oh god. That's what I'm trying to get at. Gross. Yes. Such I'm sorry. Cannot stand the.

guy. Well, if you see these 10. communities, you you see clearly you're. dealing with drug addiction and mental. illness, but don't believe what you see. with your own eyes. That's the game. across the board. Don't believe your. common sense. Don't you common sense. would dictate all the things we talked. about. Autism is increasing. We. shouldn't give sex. We shouldn't. sterilize 12-year-olds. All but don't. believe any of that. don't believe that, you know, people who are homeless need.

help psychologically, need some way to. treat the addiction. Obviously, there. are more intelligent people like. Shelonburgger that have a plan for this. despite the fact that he didn't get into. the governor's office. Uh, which is a. shame because he would have done far. better than what California is dealing. with now. But it's this it's this. constant game and manipulation of the. facts all the time. And this is where if. if I could do one thing in my job, like. it's it's teaching people how to defer.

back to their common sense. It's crazy. Yeah. Common sense is not that common, right? No. Well, it's also people are. tired because they have a poor diet and. they're not eating well and so they. don't have the time to be thinking about. this stuff and they don't have the. mental energy to like research these. things and they're overwhelmed with. bills and debt and you know and and and. maybe like relationship problems and you. know there's so many problems that. people have already to get them to look.

at external issues that maybe don't. affect them personally on a day-to-day. basis. It's very difficult to get people. to focus on that. So then they vote with. what they think is like their virtue. Yeah. You know, blue no matter who, vote. Democrat no matter what. Like, okay, that's not helping you. And then when. you abandon it and leave, you're called. a traitor. You know, you're a traitor to. the party or Yeah, you you must get that. a lot, right? Oh my god. Well, I went. through all of it, but then when you. finally decide it doesn't matter. anymore, you become immune. So I was I.

was it's interesting back in the day. when I you know my friend used to refer. to me in this capacity. She'd say you. know you're like the fat person's Jesus. This is the early. 2000s. You you oh Jillian Michaels is. you doesn't judge but then she's open. arms and she's trying to help people. And then the very same person with the. very same belief system and the very. same strategies in dealing with the. problem became the ultimate enemy, the.

ultimate fat shamer, the ultimate. science denier. And it just goes to show. you how the narrative shift. It's tough. to call me a transphobe because I fall. under that acronym umbrella despite the. fact that gay is different, very. different than trans. I've never really. understood the acronym either. It's a. trap. it completely. Yeah. But you can't. say like, "Go ahead. I'm a homophobe.". Like, "Come at me, bro." Like, tough. one. You know, I am married to a woman. It's tough to like you could try. I.

haven't been hit with the racist card, although I'm waiting for it. Um I don't. know. Maybe because my kid is Haitian. I. And she gives me a pass. I I have no. idea. But, you know, you you get certain. protections simply because you're a card. carrying member of the club, but I got. hit with everything outside of that. You. know, transphobe, not ish is fat shamer. and anti-science and abbleist and. privileged and all of that stuff. Yeah. But all that stuff is losing its. meaning. You know, the problem is you.

keep calling people when you call. everyone a racist, like it doesn't mean. it anymore. You're crying wolf so many. times that people don't listen anymore. Like a real racist is horrific. You you. see a you run into a real racist like oh. my god that's horrific. But you know if. you just call everyone a racist if you. go math is racist. Like okay math's. racist. I've peanut butter and jelly. sandwiches are racist. I've seen that. Okay. Oh, I haven't seen that one. Exercise is racist. I did see that. Alt-right. Yes. Wonderful. Altright.

MSNBC. Wonderful. Altright. I liked. that. I I like that one a lot. Yeah. I. will tell you though, I don't think that. it it is losing as much power as I had. hoped and and I reference Elon Musk and. here's why. It's seemingly working. I. know a lot of people that think he's an. anti-semite. I'm like, you sure about. that? Well, they think he's a Nazi. More. more than just an anti-semite. Like an. actual Nazi. These are reasonable.

people. Yeah. And here's the irony. He's. on the spectrum. So this thing, he. didn't even realize what he was doing. when he like my heart goes out to you. But Joe, what about the video, the. montage of all the liberals, including. AOC, engaging in the same sail, Tim Walsh, Tim Walsh, I love you all. Love you all. This is like a It's like a thing that. people have to stop doing. That's You. got to do it like this. You got to have.

two hands touch your heart and then. open. I'm not doing it. You know, when I. was getting in trouble with CNN, um. during the vaccine days, uh the CO days, they would use a photograph of me from. the UFC weigh-ins cuz when I go to the. UFC weigh-ins, I say, "Welcome to the. weigh-ins, everybody." So, they had this. photo of me from the side with my That's. the one they used all the time. No, but. people buy that [ __ ] and they are still. buying it and that scares me. And in a.

argument on Piers Morgan, this raised my. voice a little bit. I I was like, well, I don't know. I don't think he's an. anti-Semit. Number one, he's friends. with Jews. Number two, he hires Jews. And number three, he hasn't killed any. Jews. And they were like, he has a. necklace around his neck that he's given. to one of the mothers of the hostages. that says, "Bring them home." I remember. him going after October 7th and talking. about the videos that he'd seen, but the. guy was like, "Oh, that's your. benchmark. He doesn't kill Jews." And I. was like, "No, that's yours. You're the. one comparing him to Hitler who killed.

six million Jews. So if you're going to. draw that comparison, zero six million. So shut the [ __ ] up. I can't. It's all. dumb. It's But it's all a It's all a. trick because what they're really doing. is going after him because he's trying. to go after us a. I see their slush fund. But can I tell. you how many reasonable people and I I. cannot I have friends that I have to. argue about it with. Exact same. Yeah. That's when I tell you like I I don't. know that it's actually losing its.

power. It is. You think it's just not. losing its power with really [ __ ]. dumb people and they're going to have a. certain percentage of really [ __ ]. dumb people and they they're either. going to have to catch up or we're going. to have to overwhelm them with a lot of. logic that and that takes time and it. takes a lot of these kind of. conversations and they get out there and. they get clipped and maybe you and I. said something here that will be taken. out of context and used against you. which is always really fun. That's my. favorite. They just take like a snippet. of it. See, told you she's a this, she's.

a that. And then it's this reductionist. thing where they try to define you by a. string of words. Forget about your whole. life. They did that to Candace Owens. Yes. Oh, she's this disgusting. anti-semite. So, I listened to her. I. listened to her answer all that stuff on. her show. And then I I listened to her. debate it uh with Rabbi Schmolley and I. thought, "Okay, let's see what a [ __ ]. she is and I listened to everything she. said and I checked it all and watched it. in context and then I actually sat with. her and I I was like, "All right, I'm. going to open the door." I like Candace.

a lot, but Candace says a lot of wild. [ __ ] It's not not accurate. Like she. thinks dinosaurs are fake. I I I hear. you. I get it. But I I I I get it. That. is like self-inflicted. That's a. self-inflicted wound. But do you think. that I'm like, you know, you are you a. Holocaust denier? No, I'm not a. Holocaust denier. And then still to this. day, she's a Holocaust denier. Well, that's my friend Daryl Cooper who was on. my podcast, you know, cuz he said. hyperbolically that Winston Churchill.

was one of uh the main villains of World. War II because he started blockades and. forced Hitler into action and they. starved the the German people. Like it's. like what he said was really unfortunate. the way he said it the way he said it. But he was trying to say that Winston. Churchill did some things that if he. hadn't done them maybe World War II. wouldn't have gone the way it went. But. the problem is when you say that and it. gets taken out of context. People say, "Oh, he's a Holocaust denier and a Nazi.

sympathizer." Right. But then you listen. to his podcast, he's got this like I. think it's like 30 hours called Fear and. Loathing in New Jerusalem. And it's the. most gut-wrenching tale of the persec. persecution of Jews in e Eastern Europe. Just the beginning of it. I tell. everybody just listen to the first like. 40 minutes of it. It's so heartbreaking. Like this is not the words of a. homophobe or excuse me of a anti-semite. that would would say those things. I I. have the reductionist things that people.

love to do. But but even still here here. would be my argument to that. Let's say. he. was it. If you're inclined to believe. that, let's say that was his argument. and that Hitler wasn't bad and it was. Churchill, then you're an [ __ ] and an. idiot. Yeah. Then there's no hope for. you. This this gatekeeping of neither an. [ __ ] or an idiot and he's being. called an [ __ ] and an idiot by people. who don't consume his work. Of course, I'm saying best case scenario cuz I I.

see this a lot with the gatekeeping of. information. And God forbid you don't. fact check everybody on everything, which has been something that that I've. gotten a bit of it like, well, you. nodded your head and you said I see your. point. I'm like, well, sometimes I see. their point and sometimes I don't know. and I can't fact check everything and I. I'll talk to somebody else who has a. different opinion. But people can think. for themselves as well. Yeah. you. There's just a lot of bad faith actors. out there and there's a lot of people. that do that. This taking people out of. context and trying to use this.

reductionist perspective and label. people with these peorives that are. inescapable. Like it's in the the. racist, homophobe, uh, anti-semite, all. those those are inescapable. And once. you get hit with those, that's your. that's your your [ __ ] sticker on your. forehead for the rest of your life. And. that's what they're trying to do to you. because they're trying to silence you. and because they want to win. And this. is a real problem with human beings when. it comes to ideas is that like if I. believe something and you believe. something differently. I don't want to.

listen to you. I want to beat you, right? I want to overwhelm you with. talk. I want to pierce Morgan you into. submission. I want to yell at you. Not. Pierce the human, but the. show. You want to yell at them and and. and you want to win. You want to dunk on. them. And this is why I don't engage. with people on social media. I just. think it's the worst way to communicate. And when I see people doing it, I. genuinely feel bad for them because I. think they're mentally ill. When people. are dunking on people constantly on. social media, I'm like, well, that's a. sign of mental illness. Like, you're.

there's something wrong with you. You. have a You don't realize that yet? Like, this is this shit's been around for 20. years now, and you're still engaging in. that kind of behavior on social media. It's stupid. It's It gets clicks. That's. what I think it is. That's also part of. the problem is I get enough attention. I. get enough attention so I don't need to. like reach out and try to get more which. is like but but by the way that's what. you're supposed to do when you get a lot. of attention. You're supposed to rise. above, you know, with great power, great. responsibility. Supposed to try to be.

nicer, which I try that's like one of my. core tenants in life. Be as nice as. possible. And here's a shocker. I find. people are nice to me almost entirely. Like very rarely are people not nice to. me because I'm nice to everybody. So if. you're nice to everybody, guess what? People are nice to you. And even people. I disagree with. Like disagree with. fundamentally. But you're listening to. them though. That's exactly what you're. trying to say. Like I one of the. conversations I' I've referred to a.

couple times is the one I had with Matt. Walsh. I don't know. I don't there's no. universe I'm going to change Mount. Walsh's mind about gay marriage, but at. least I I want to understand them. And I. also am hoping that some people who are. in the middle of this argument and could. be influenced might go my way. And there. was a I cannot remember if this was a. TED talk or where this information or. this story was put out in the world, but. it was the story of a black man who. ended up befriending a grand wizard of.

the clan and ended Daryl Davis. He's a. friend of ours. He's been on the podcast. a couple times. Oh my god. The story. like I I it Daryl's a musician. Oh my. god. And he met and became the guy's. like god godfather the guy's kids. Not. just one. No, he's got more than a. hundred of these KKK guys to give him. their robes. Yeah. And and convert and. change them over just by the just by. love. Just with love. That's what I'm. hoping in those conversations. That's.

power. Yeah. Well, that's Daryl's a. really amazing person, a shining example. of what's possible when you just show. people like he's like, "Man, you're. different than all the others." He's. like, "Actually, I'm just a human. I. just have more melanin in my skin, you. know, and you are unfortunately you have. been trapped by an ideology. You have. otherred people simply by their looks, you know, and you haven't learned this. this lesson that we were supposed to be. taught by Dr. King in the 1960s, you. know, judge a man by the content of. their character. It must have been your.

show actually where I heard it. But it. must I it it changed the way that I. approach 99% of my conversations because. I thought, okay, if I listen with an. intent to hear and an intent to. understand and I can expose people to. the things they're uncomfortable with in. a way where we find common ground. I may. not change their mind, but at least. you're in some cases you hopefully can. And at least you're modeling, but it.

takes so much time, you know? It's like. Indiana Jones when the guy starts. throwing the the whipper and he just. pulls the gun out and just shoots him. Like that's like I just want to just. shut the [ __ ] up, you know? And that's. that's what a lot of people like, especially today in this like everybody. wants to take Ozmpic. You want a quick. fix. You don't want to work out for. [ __ ] six years to lose 50 pounds. No, I want to just lose 50 pounds in a. month, you know? And this is the the. quick fix thing of today's society. And. when you're offered this pill that makes.

you smarter instead of reading books, like yeah, I'll take that pill. You. know, like this is the argument that I. I've said to people when they always. talk about, you know, I I don't have. time for exercise. Like I'm not. interested in my body. Like I'm this is. stupid. It's vain. It's this that. I'm. like, listen. Huh? If I gave you a pill, just gave you a pill and that pill made. you fit and healthy and muscular, you. wouldn't take that pill. improved your. sex. Why would you not want a body that. works way better? Improved your mood. Yeah, your sex life would get better.

All of those things you take. That's a. defense mechanism though. You you know. that it's a fear that they would be. incapable of following through on what's. required. So, they defend against it. It's the same [ __ ] you see with the. people that are overweight and like I. don't care or they make fun of their. weight and like they become the funny. fat guy. It's it's a defense mechanism. Oh, I have a lot of friends like that. A. lot of comedians. It's like their entire. act like being fat. I know. Big part of. it. Yeah. There was a guy I I went to. Kill Tony last night and there was a. comedian that was up first and he was.

412 pounds and they the guys were doing. what they obviously do. But there was a. part of my heart that was splitting of. course cuz I was like deep down this is. he's hurting. Deep down this [ __ ]. guy's hurting. And deep down it's so. funny. I know right. That's the problem. I was dying. goes dying inside for and. also if you're 420 lbs or whatever he is. like boy the road to becoming healthy is. hundreds of pounds away and that is so. daunting especially when you you you.

have the pull of addiction. Yes. And. then that's the big problem. Yeah. And. then you get eat intuitively. Eat. intuitively. Oh my god. Which is. impossible by the way because the food. is designed to override. If I ate. intuitively, I'd eat only pizza. I'd have a diet that's 100% Yeah. pizza, fries, and ice cream, and Coca-Cola. would be my whole diet. But the whole. the entire food system, all of the.

ultrarocessed foods, is designed to. override your body's signaling of. satiety. It's [ __ ] impossible. Yeah. And then you couple that with the. psychological vulnerabilities and it's a. powder keg. You sound like an. Afrozempic. I am. That's exactly what I. am. Oh my god. I'm going to I'm going to. get that tattoo, man. Afrompic dragon. believer. Oh, I got on the sticker, by. the way. My suitcase. [ __ ] Yeah, I like. that. Afrompic. Yeah, it's it's really.

kooky. It's It's It's weird. But the. only way out is through conversations. the only way out is to um educate people. or enlighten people or expose people to. other ideas. Like you're not really. going to educate them, but you will. expose them to other ideas. And I think. over time the good ideas will win. It's. just it's been so many years of bad. ideas and it's so indoctrinating and. it's so difficult. And then also it's. your identity. Your identity is this,

you know, whatever it is, whether you're. Matt Walsh or whether you're a 420 lb. trans person, like your identity is like. embedded in whatever you think of. yourself as being. And it's very. difficult to take wisdom from someone. that you think of as the enemy. That's. so true. And breaking that identity in. particular when it works against. someone. So one of the things that. people can't believe in a reality they. haven't experienced. That's true. And so. one of the ways that I used to utilize. fitness was to give them an experience.

that they didn't think they were capable. of. So all of a sudden you've got the. funny fat guy who just ran that mile. without stopping or who just did the. push-up on the hands and the feet who. just did 10 pull-ups in a row or even. two. Yeah. But but once they look at. their achievement, it's like, "Holy. shit." Yeah. I I didn't know I was. capable of this. And then you shatter. that prison of limiting beliefs and you. open up an infinity of possibility. You. also have to find a tribe. You have to.

surround yourself with other people that. are trying to prove themselves. So if. other people around you are trying to. improve themselves, then it will. encourage you to be a part of that group. and you all do it together completely. And then help each other if you fall off. the wagon and pick each other up and. like reinforce positive behavior. You. see all of that with, you know, back in. the day I I used to get so caught up in. the fights about diets and fat diets and. fat workouts. And as I've matured or. like to think that I have matured, I. don't even engage in that [ __ ] anymore.

It really doesn't matter what workout. you're doing. If you're doing it with a. qualified professional or it if it's. prov if people are showing up for. CrossFit because they love CrossFit and. they love the community, great. If. they're showing up for Pilates because. they love the community and they're. showing up for it, great. as long as. they're showing up for something and the. person teaching them like a great. CrossFit coach matters that that's a big. difference between you herniating three. discs and getting into the best shape of. your life. So, I would simply say look.

for a qualified expert that's a good. point. You know, I'm I'm I'm beyond the. what's the best diet and what's the best. who gives a [ __ ] As long as you're is. your if you're in a positive environment. that's getting you to show up for it day. after day after day, something's better. than nothing. You're focusing on. improving. Yes. And that that comes with. community for sure. You're absolutely. That's what people love about CrossFit. is the whole community of people. You go. there, you're all working out together. I used to love that about yoga class. Go.

to a bunch of people. I knew them all. like, "Hey, what's up?" You know, you. know, but you don't talk until after. it's over. It's one of those things like. they really discouraged talking before. But like you're all sweating together. Like you're going through it together. You there's no other way, you know? And. then you get out the other end. You're. like, "Wow, I wouldn't have done that by. myself. I would have quit at like 40. minutes, but I did the whole 90 minutes. and now I feel better." And then the. rest of the day is easy. That's why I. think community is such an integral part. of treating addiction. Mhm. because you.

you have that supportive group to keep. you accountable to show up to feel like. you're a part of something and it we've. seen it work for you and work against. you. Yeah. It's like again it it's also. an integral part for an evil army. unfortunately. I know. you have to believe that you have. to kill these kill these heretics. Beginning how do we how do we tip things. over to you have to make your side be. more attractive? You have to make your. side kinder and and and more empathetic.

and also more admirable, you know. Yes, you're right. The rewards have to be. there. And admirable is one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You have to like wish you had. those characteristics and go, why don't. I maybe I can, you know? And just also. realize you you're not who you used to. be. Okay. If you were a a fat alcoholic. gambling addict, you don't have to stay. that way forever. You just you don't. have to. You're not that. You're a human. being. You were trapped with behavior.

and ideas that were not self- serving. They're not good for people around you. You probably stole things to feed your. addictions. And you feel you have. terrible self-worth and terrible. self-image. But that's not you. That's. who you have been. You are who you are. right now. So if you choose right now to. be positive from here on out and you're. gonna have some mistakes and [ __ ] up. along the way, but find a group. This is. why Alcoholics Anonymous is so po. important. Yeah. You get around these. people and you all agree. They're all.

like and you you have sponsors and you. help each other. Like this is the whole. idea of community. We are not solitary. individuals. We're just not. We we are a. a collective organism experiencing. itself in individual ways. I agree with you. I I do. I just I. want I sometimes see evil winning out. more often than not. Well, because. that's what's in the news and that's. also what's in your algorithm, you know, and that's why you have to stay off.

social media. You're Yeah, I feel so much better. I've. been off social media like almost. entirely for like a a few I don't know. like really weaned off about two weeks. ago. I really followed my wife's. footsteps cuz like she just got off and. she's like I feel so much better. I'm. like damn that's crazy. And so I'm like. let me try it. And so I tried it for a. day. I was like wow I feel so much. better after this day. And then I tried. a couple days and then I'm like oh it's. real. Like there's you know um Sugar.

Sean Ali UFC champion. He said he goes I. get a lowlevel anxiety when I'm. scrolling through social media. I'm like. right what is that? Like what is that? But that shit's real. It's also you. realize like you're just distracting. yourself with this stupidity. But when. you don't freaking sure, but when you. don't do that, your mind feels better. It really does feel better. So I will. occasionally like if I'm on the toilet, I'll like scroll through Twitter, find. out what is everybody mad at, and then.

I'll put it away, you know, and then. sometimes I'll go days without looking. at it at all. And then sometimes like, hey, like I got a a text the other day. like, "Hey man, are you okay?" I'm like, "Well, what?" And they're like, "Oh, people are mad at you on Twitter." And. I'm like, "Okay, that's not the real. world, bro. I don't even know what. they're mad at." Like, "No, don't. reach." Like, a friend of mine sent me. something that people I go, "Don't send. me that [ __ ] I'm not looking at it. I. don't care." Aren't you immune to that. by now, though? Like, you have been. forged in fire. For [ __ ] sake. What. are they going to say to you at this.

point that you're even going to care? Well, the thing is, it's not me. It's. them. They think that I'm upset at this. thing because they would be upset at. this thing because they don't get. attacked, right? So, like my sister used. to send me things like that. I'm like, "Don't send me that shit." You I don't. care. Like, you know, I know my wife. used to do that for a little while. because she would worry and want me to. kind of like temper my behavior. My. business partner would do the same thing. like, "Oh, I really, you know, could you. just stay in you stay in the pocket here. on the fitness stuff?" But I found that.

the more I would lean into that, it. didn't matter how many attacks would. come my way because you would resonate. with the people that got it and that. ended up working better for me. personally and professionally. But. you're right, it is it is their concern. of how they would feel if people called. them those things or came for them with. the pitchforks. And to By the way, the. worst thing you could do is fight back, which is really crazy. The worst thing. you can do is like interact with people. that are attacking. which is really kind. of but that's everyone's instinct.

Everyone's instinct is to go, "Well, I'll tell you what I think now." You get. caught up in it. Yeah, you get caught. up. It's ridiculous. The only time I. find myself doing that these days, and. I'm going to stop it, is when my son. will challenge me on something and then, okay, my mother, I was like, "We're. debating something." She's like, "Honey, you're you're you're you're you're. litigating this with a 13-year-old." And. I was like, "Yeah, okay." And I and you. know why? because I still care what my. kids think about me and instead of but.

the rest of the world I don't give a. [ __ ] Yeah, I don't give a [ __ ] Well, you do, but also you can't control what. people think, right? Exactly. The only. thing you could do is be undeniable. That's so well said. Yeah, that is so. well said. That's all you have. And so. what happens with haters is they. challenge you to become more undeniable. And so that's good. That's what their. job is. They they make you steal man. arguments. Losers of the world, they. challenge you to become a bigger winner. They really do. Yeah. I've learned how.

especially in the health space when I. would be active in a conversation about. fitness or nutrition or what have you, you learn how to bulletproof yourself in. that conversation, right? Because people. fight so hard to keep their bad habits. God, it it is insane. Yeah. And there's. also so much infighting in every. industry which which bums me out. And. that's when I I just was like, what am I. doing? Well, that's an attention thing, right? They're upset that you're getting. the attention that they think they. deserve. Like, she doesn't even know.

what the [ __ ] she's talking about. Like, but you know what? You see a lot of that. in the health space. You do. And I hate. it. And it's it's super disappointing. because we can share ideas and we can as. as you said admit when we're wrong and. and learn and grow and and what have. you, but the real enemy is not another. freaking doctor or another PhD with a. different opinion, right? You know, we've seen who the real enemy is and. it's it's big pharma when it's got bad. intentions or big food with bad.

intentions or big. a guy who has a different opinion on. cholesterol for [ __ ] sake. It's not. even that. It's just that that guy with. a different opinion on cholesterol is. getting a lot of attention and then. these people are comparing them. They're. comparing themsel to that person. Why. don't I get this attention? And the way. to get the attention is to dunk on that. person to say awful things. Yeah, but. then people dunk on you and then now. you're now your life is conflict. Okay, good job. When they when they do I I.

like to sit down and see if there's. truth there like you said. Yeah. You. know, I I've I've not been immune to. some of Lane Norton's assaults. And you. know what? I we sat down and and I was. like, "Listen, Lane, the things you're. going after me on are not from me. It's. from this PhD, that PhD, this PhD, and. the American Medical Association." and. had him on my podcast and by the time we. were done, he won me over. I I was like, I I I believe you. I think you're right. I'm changing my position on this, you. know,

but sometimes, you're right, it's it's. because someone is getting attention or. there's envy there. And I would simply. say you can intuit it when a criticism. might be legitimate. And when you're. seeing it over and over and over again. and it's a similar thing, there's. something to look at there. But outside. of that, when you know it's [ __ ]. there's also the problem with bots. So. the god vast majority of Twitter might. be bots. Yeah. You know, an FBI analyst. that used to he he used to analyze big.

data sets. He said he looked at Twitter. and he said it it might be about 80%. bots. Car Swisser said that to me. Yeah. I was blown away. She was she was I mean and she would. know and she was showing me stuff these. bot farms and [ __ ] all along the wall. It's Yeah. And then you're just engaging. with Uhhuh. And they they shape. narratives and it's crazy. Rogue states. and different people use it. And I'm I'm. sure like there's publicity firms that.

use it. I'm sure. I mean I don't know. I. don't either. But without you could use. it with AI, you know. You could you. could easily have one computer that. would run many many. accounts and you could program it to. have variations on a theme. But you see. it sometimes when like there's a lot of. uh social media influencers that get. co-opted and one of the things that you. see is a very similar message, you know, and they use very similar phrasing, you.

know, sharp as attack was one of them. And you you saw that over and over again. with Biden, like sharp as attack, sharp. as attack. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So, they. were getting influenced and they were. getting paid. Yes. You know who did you. ever see that? I'm sure of course you. would have. But um I remember when I was. talking to Senator Johnson and he was. exposing me to the trusted news. initiative and this is the whole the. newscasters that have the exact same. script and say the exact same thing. Well, and it it it but in freaking in.

broad daylight. Yep. There's guys like. we have clips of all of you saying the. exact same saying the exact same thing. It's so clear. It's a narrative. And. when he told me he was God, this was. this blew my mind. He went. precoid to he was talking about this. event at the Milin Institute where. Fouchy and I oh my god I'm gonna screw. this up but I think it's this guy Rick. Bright. Forgive me because this may be.

wrong but this group of people. definitely Fouchy were talking about. what it would take to get a global. vaccine program. Fouchi says probably. going to take a pandemic and this is. like five months before yeah. co you know just put my tin hat on and. roll myself in tin foil and jump all the. way down the rabbit hole. But then April. Haynes said well what are we going to do. about misinformation at this event that. she'd put on shortly after that? And he. said that's where they came up with the. trusted news initiative right in time.

Well, not only that, they came up with a. new term and that term is. malinformation. Ah, do you know what. malinformation is? Malinformation is. true information that might do harm. Did. not know this. So there's. misinformation, disinformation, and. malinformation. I have not heard that. Yeah, malinformation was something they. were trying to promote during the Biden. administration as being dangerous. And. it's essentially the truth. I knew the. we've got to reconsider the First.

Amendment. Yeah, I've seen all those. clips of that is some scary [ __ ] It's. like Senator Kerry, Bill Gates, Hillary. Clinton, and do we criminalize people. who are promoting this misinformation? But I did not hear Malin. Did you ever. see the CEO of NPR doing a TED talk. saying that sometimes the truth gets in. the way of getting things done? Oh god, no. But I heard I've heard them all say. that. I said it on Oh my god. Well, it's. it's an inf infantilization.

infantilization of the public because. they're too stupid to handle the truth. They're dumber than you. You you're the. purveyor of information and you need to. give them the information that gets. things done. And sometimes you have to. lie to them like vaccines are safe and. effective. You Oh my god. What did you. post? I think it was the cover of the. New Yorker that said something about. doing away with the First Amendment. Yeah. And I wonderful idea.

Like, wait, what the [ __ ] are you. talking about? It's not like the number. 14, by the way. Or number five is a. number one. The first amendment. It. It's in the way. It's in the way. That. to me when you're having this debate. about Camala versus Trump, I'm like, how. do you guys have this selective outrage. about what's flipping your. [ __ ] Like, I want to process for.

Kilbar, Breo Garcia, who's, you know, probably beats his wife and is a. suspect. I get it. I I want Seems like. he's got MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles. Yeah. I mean, come on. And there was a. deportation order. Just say it. Like so. you see the photographs that his wife. puts out where she covers his knuckles. in every picture. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Hilarious. I mean, so I was saying, "Oh. my god, they deported a Maryland man and. a father." Cuz that's what I was reading. the news. Same. And then you get into it.

and you're like, "Oh, wait a minute. Oh, hold on." And then you they they. released the dash cam footage, the the. police footage of when they arrested. him. Not dash cam, uh, you know, whatever the cops were wearing. I know. what you're talking about. Yeah. I. thought the exact same thing. It's. crazy, but it's just like you can't you. can't just go on narratives because. these narratives are just designed to. make the Trump administration look like. monsters. I I was giving an interview to. this woman from the New York Times and. she's like, "But don't you see this?". And I was like, "I do see it and I don't.

understand it and I wish it would be. different, but you know, but then you. get into the lesser evils." I wrote her. back and I was like, I don't agree with. my previous position based on the. current information available to me now. Yeah, it seems like he was a gang. member. But then there was that gay. hairdresser that like seems like he just. got roped up. I know. And and what I. have learned so far, cuz I've really. been trying to get to the bottom of that. one cuz I don't understand why the left. isn't leaning on that one. The other guy. like beats his wife, suspected. trafficker. Like you want to be. outraged. Like this guy is a gay.

hairdresser. I guess he committed I was. listening to Tim P talk about this um uh. immigration fraud. So listen, okay, but. that doesn't belong in an El Salvador. prison. I agree with you completely. Also, he's not even from El Salvador, which is really crazy. Now, okay, hold. on. Here would be the argument there. I. I think if I'm understanding it. correctly is that if somebody. um can be deported but they are withheld.

because of asylum, correct me if I'm. wrong here, because they worry going. back to their home country is dangerous. or deadly like Kilmergo Garcia, right? Because he's not a gang member, but he's. afraid of being killed by other gangs. that aren't MS-13. You caught that one, right? So, it's like I can't go home. because the other gangs will kill me, but I'm not a gang member. Nevertheless, you there's a deportation order on him. So, I believe that they can just send. him to a third country and that's not. illegal. That's something I heard. Okay.

Just kidding. You're right. Fraud. When. you're a hairdresser, you don't throw. him in a [ __ ] constitution. You could. not be more right about that. But tell. me then, why is the left not hanging. there freaking Why is he not the poster. child? That guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's his knuckles. Look, people don't. agree that that's what that means. Oh, dude. I've talked. to a guy who's a gang expert. Two. separate courts agreed. I talked to a. guy who's a gang expert who explained it. to me. He's like, "Yeah, this is how it.

works." There was also an informant who. confirmed. Well, there's different. versions of MS-13, but that's what it. means. Like marijuana, smiley face, Jesus, and and then the skull. that mean. I don't I just I'm just saying when I've. looked online I see people okay you can. look online but I mean I talked to a. gang expert that told me that was. explaining to me and there's a bunch of. different versions of gang tattoos. that determined he was an MS13 gang. member cops had an informant that that.

was an extremely reliable source that. said he is MS13 the guy the wife was. like he beats me and then withdrew I. guess but had filed a report and had a. protection order in the cops pulled the. guy over with eight guys in the car. going like from Texas to Maryland I. think or from te Maryland to Texas no. luggage no tools and suspected him of. trafficking I mean and again I will. simply say if you're didn't apply for a. why are they hanging their hat on this.

one and not the gay hairdresser I'm. asking you that what is the latest. sacrificial lamb cuz I heard Glenn. Greenwald talk about the gay hairdresser. and that one seems seems the most. compelling. I agree completely. But. there's no logic in this world anymore. I It's all kookooky. Like whatever gets. traction, you know, maybe it's cuz he's. got kids. Oh, it's a father. Maryland. father, you know, like that's what it. is. Like I keep saying wrongly deported. Maryland father. Like what? What. wrongly? Why? Tell me why. What's wrong. about it? He had a deportation order.

100% and then said, "I am worried that. the other gangs will kill me." And so. that's when they withheld the. deportation order. Yeah. But he can be. deported to another country legally. That's the part that if he's not a gang. member, why is he worried about being. killed by other gangs? I'm just Yeah. Like this is a common sense Pete piece. that we the whole I'd hang my hat on the. on the gay hairdresser guy. It's kooky.

I agree with you. It's also like. imagine, you. know, inheriting this problem like. you've had open borders for four years. and they've let thousands and thousands. of potential criminals in here if not. millions. They've let millions of people. who knows how many of these people are. suspected terrorists. It's not just one. It's not zero. Okay. So, what's the. number? I don't know. How many of them. are gang members? Is it zero? No, it's. not zero. So, there's they let in gang. members. Okay. Um, how many of them are.

in the cartel? It's not zero. Okay. Well, what the [ __ ] do you do? What do. you do if you want to clean up this mess. that has been in mass for four years? Just flooded open borders. Not just open. borders, but like busing them in, flying. them in, giving them debit cards, giving. them phones. Oh my god. Interest free. loans in California. loopholes that. Gavin Newsome has created to give them. healthare billions of dollars. My. freaking 35year-old brother can't get a.

home loan and can't get healthare but. his tax dollar like this. He needs to. change his name in Mexico and walk. across the border. Yeah, I I told him a. couple of times. I was like, Greg, you. know, burn the passport, babe. This will. work. You know, he's half Latin. He's my. half brother. He could get away with it. He looks the part. It is It is bananas. And I But it's all a political ploy. And. the the idea they're not doing it to get. votes is crazy cuz that's what they're. doing. There's a reason why the a vast. majority of them get moved to swing.

states. Like they're doing it on. purpose. I Okay. And Elon has been. talking about this and it's one of the. other reasons why they call him a Nazi. I've I've had this conversation with. intelligent people and they're like, "Well, there's no evidence that they're. voting." Okay. But but here if we were. to game this all the way out in in in. the if I was to hit Elon's points that I. believe I understand. First of all, I. think they can vote in some states and. local elections and Karen Bass Karen. Bass becomes Gavin Newsome becomes, god. forbid, the president of the United.

States. So there's a reason we've got. this whole grassroots thing going on, I. would imagine. And then I'm told that. when they sign up for benefits, they. potentially can sign them up to reach. out to them to vote. That could be. conspiracy theory, though. Very much so. I'm talking out of my ass. I don't know. Right. But it's not a conspiracy that. they're giving them social security. numbers. Exact. Oh, did not know that. Yeah. Because if you This is There's a. woman who was explaining when she was. working for the Social Security office. what they would would have her do. So.

with they would have them get permanent. disability. And the way they get. permanent disability is you just have to. say you have a back problem. So if you. have a back problem, then you have. permanent disability. And if you get. permanent disability, then they start. labeling them as a client. If you label. them as a client, then they get money. forever. And so if then you have people. like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and. all these people saying, "We need to. give these people a road to. citizenship." Okay. Well, then you. potentially have millions and millions.

of people now, if the Democrats are in. charge, they can change the rules and. make it so that these people have a road. to citizenship. Then they can vote on. elections. So now you've imported. millions of people that are going to. vote for sure for the people who gave. him the money, not for the people who. hired Tom Holman to kick everybody out. Here's another question. Why are you not. requiring identification to vote because. it's racist? Oh, well, not only you not. requiring it in California, you're not. allowed to show it. It is illegal to.

show your identification when you vote. That's just There's only one reason why. you would do that is because you want. fraud. What would be exactly when I ask people. who are on the other side? I'm like, game this out for me. Steel man this. argument. What is the Kathy Hol's logic. about that? No. A lot of these black. kids, they don't even know what a. computer is. Oh, I have seen the Oh my. god. And I saw the black guy making fun. of her like running around the computer. like what is this? Oh my god. Which is. the most racist thing possibly say. By.

the way, every [ __ ] kid has a. computer. They all have phones. Did you. see that video? I think it came out of. Prager U where they were saying like. well you know black people don't they I. it was the like they don't have access. to ID and they can't figure out same. thing figure out it's the most. disgustingly you tell me that you could. say what about poor white people that. live in West Virginia so gross dirt poor. you know staggeringly gross it's crazy. or okay how about this one I've also.

been told that the more people you have. in a census it doesn't matter if they're. legal citizens get more representation. You get more seats. Well, then. effectively you can make a president a. lame duck if you've got Exactly. That's. why California is losing seats because. people are escaping. Escaping is that is. what it is. It's escaping. I go on. record as saying I am pro- legal. immigration. Well, I'm the grandchild of. immigrants. My whole family came from. Italy and Ireland. un unless you're a. Native American. And you when when you.

appreciate the ways in which legal. immigration enriches a community, stimulates the economy, and you can. control the flow, and as Gad Sad likes. to explain, you know, they support their. host community. Yes. When they're. brought in legally, but when it's. illegal, it overwhelms the. infrastructure. You bring in criminals. You don't know who's here. Suicidal. empathy. Brilliant. Yeah, he's such a genius. He's an thanks to you, I I know of him.

for many years now. And I I mean, he's. an absolute genius. He articulates it. like no one else. And he's, you know, seeing the rise of anti-semitism in in. Montreal right now at a staggering rate. I I have to admit that I he's a guy. escape on for the same reasons. I do. tend to lean Dave Smith after after the. show you did the other day, I I reached. out to him and I was like, "All right, I. got to tell you, I've always leaned more. pro- Israel and you I was you you opened.

my mind to a few things and I don't. become a monster to fight monsters.". That's what it is. But that's the thing. It's like what what the the horrors. that you're you're seeing in Gaza. It's. like, okay, you're you're fighting. Hamas. Hamas are monsters. That's right. Yeah, but like you didn't let aid into. the country. Yeah, even worse. You. killed aid workers. Yeah, see it gets. scary. That's when I It gets really. scary when you know you believe that. someone's helping the enemy, so they. become the enemy. And and it's not that.

you don't like Jews. Like, you know, I'll I'll preface by saying my. grandmother ran from the freaking Nazis. I'm according to my 23 and me, 30some. percent Jewish. However, it it it's it I. don't necessarily like Netanyahu and I. don't agree with a lot of the ways he's. handled it. But it doesn't mean I don't. understand what happened. I'm not. appalled. I'm not disgusted. I I I I I'm. personally think that kid Mimmude Khalil. should get the [ __ ] out of here. personally. I'm sorry. Like I I the kid.

I I could get into that one too. Like I. I see all of that and I I lean more. towards the Israel. Well, I completely. understand how they could look at things. the way they are. They're surrounded. Yes. They're surrounded by Arab states. Yeah. And you know, I mean, if you have. been attacked relentlessly since the. beginning of, you know, whatever, 1948, if it's in the charter, you know, kill. all Jews. I mean, that's, you know, that's not good. That's not good. I. don't know. You know, then you see like.

trans people from Palestine like, "Hey, like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Do you [ __ ] know what they would do. to you? Like, oh my god. I haven't been. there, bud. Yeah. [ __ ] It's It's. complicated, right? The world is a very. complicated thing. It's a nuanced. conversation as well. I got to tell you, I was riveted by that debate and both of. them made excellent points. I learned a. ton and changed my mind on some things.

Like, I I faking loved it. I thought. they both I'm sorry. At the end of the. day, I thought they both made great. points. I really did. Yeah, for sure. I. just wish that Douglas didn't. misrepresent certain people. I. understand that Daryl Daryl gentlemen. Daryl thinks crazy. I didn't I actually. never saw that show with him. So, I. wasn't able to fully comprehend the. accusations. um and simply thought like you can't. gatekeep information and people are if. somebody's going to believe that if this. was in fact the truth, right? And he was.

this guy that was saying Hitler was. innocent and or not innocent but the. lesser evil with regard to Churchill. versus Hitler. He definitely wasn't. saying that. But what he was really. saying that apparently historians also. agree with it that Hitler kind of hid. his anti-semitism early on and that. early on during his rise he would keep. it confin like the really rampant. anti-semitism. He keep it confined to. these like smaller meetings. I didn't. know that. Yeah. It's like he's Jewish, isn't he? He was a Jew, wasn't he? I.

think Hitler was a Jew. What? Jamie, will you check that? Hitler was a Jew. Hold on. I think so. I think he had some. Jewish blood. Check it real quick, will. you? I remember hearing something. That. sounds crazy. I remember hearing. something. Was also he believed in the. alien alien race with blonde hair, blue. eye. Hey, bro, that's not you. That's. not it. Hold on. I feel like there was. some Hold on. Oh, is it [ __ ] No, he. was not Jewish. While rumors and. conspiracy theories have circulated. suggesting a Jewish grandfather, a. Jewish ancestry. These claims are not. supported by any historical evidence and.

are widely dismissed by Jesus. All. right, I [ __ ] the bet on that one. I. [ __ ] the bet on that one. It's really. fascinating because he is. the one of the worst figures in history. Like the everybody other than really. complete psychopaths agree with that, right? One of the worst figures in human. history. If you can't disseminate that. bit of information because let's say. again hypothetically this gentleman. Daryl was trying to make that point,

then you're an idiot. I like if you. can't determine or you know there are. skin huds in KKK that are going to tell. you the same thing. If you can't. determine that that person's [ __ ] up, you're an idiot. That's not really the. argument though. It's like no one's. really saying that. No, I know. I'm. trying. I'm suggesting that if the worst. case scenario was that But I I. appreciate what you're saying. That. wasn't his point. And you know, I. haven't done any I have not done any. homework on it. He tries to look at.

things from everybody's view. He tries. like, "Imagine you're this person. Imagine you're a a German citizen and. you've just gotten through World War I. and the whole world hates you." Like, imagine this. And then the drug thing is. a big part of World War II. It's a giant. part of it. Like the [ __ ] whole army. was on meth. That is so crazy. That is. so [ __ ] crazy. Really, you should. read Blitz. It's really fascinating. because they had like a prescri like a.

over- the-counter meth that you could. buy. What was it called? Privet the. candy thing. What was it called? Pervitin. Pervitin. Pervitin. Yes. I. remember seeing that on YouTube. It's. nuts. And it was like a little candy. tin. Yeah. They were all eating meth. That's super productive. That's why they. have such great engineers. They're like. they're [ __ ] dialed in, you know. This is true. I This is You make Yeah. Okay. Oh, god damn. I That's bright. I.

took a lot of dark spots here. I bought. There's a lot of darkness in human. history. A lot of it. A lot of evil. A. lot of horrible consequences and a lot. of lessons that we really learn but then. unlearn. And that's what people are. terrified of with this like Hitler. apologist perspective. like don't. unlearn this one huge [ __ ] lesson. that you know look a a guy like Hitler. can exist. They can rise to power and. become monsters and destroy countless.

lives. Like it's impossible to really. quantify the amount of damage that guy. did. Don't unlearn that. And I get that. I get that. But don't also label someone. as someone who didn't learn that when. they they're talking about it openly. discussing. I mean, Daryl talks about. what a [ __ ] psychotic drug addled. monster Hitler was all the time. Like, it's a part of his stuff, but you would. have to actually consume his work. And. Douglas admittedly never listened to.

him. He was just taking this narrative, this this like very reductionist. narrative that's very incorrect and just. saying it over and over again and saying. it on Bill Maher to applause breaks, but. it's not what he's saying. It's stupid. I did see that. I was kind of. disappointed by it, you know, but but. you, oh no, it's not, you know, correcting. I I I hear you. Do you find. that you fall victim to that sometimes? I see myself do it on occasion where you. hear a narrative. Oh yeah. And I don't.

dig deeper on it and it I've been guilty. of it a couple of times. I apologized to. Bobby Kennedy when he came here because. I said I believed everything about you. before I read your book. I thought you. were this kook who doesn't believe in. vaccines and he's an anti-science guy. and a conspiracy theorist. And then I. read The Real Anthony Fouch. I was like, "Oh, that's bananas. That book's [ __ ]. nuts. It is." And by the way, again, said it before, say it again. He would. be sued if it wasn't true. And it is.

true. And what he did during the just. what he did during the AIDS crisis. And. I know that they they gave him a blanket. pardon from everything from 2014. Weird. Where' they choose that date? Where'. they choose that date when Obama had. decided to get rid of gain of function. research and this [ __ ] was like. outsourcing it? Yep. He was. Yeah. I You. know what's crazy? We're still not. having that conversation. No, not in any. meaningful way. Well, at least it's in. the White House now. That and that page. is very comprehensive, but it's all. right. Go to that page again cuz it's.

kind of hilarious cuz it Trump's in the. middle of it like walking like he's. getting [ __ ] done. You see it? You see. the It's like that might be how they. tricked him into putting this page out. on it. That's the irony, I think. Didn't. he Obama put a moratorium on it and I. think Trump lifted the freaking. moratorium. I think it happened. Oh my. gosh. Look at this. He's walking. I'm here to take care of. business. I got a serious look on my. face. And I Why are they like the true. origins of CO 19? Like co signed it. Like what is that? Why is it a.

signature? You know what? Callie posted. this and he's like, "Can any scientist. tell me what on this page isn't true?". And I kind of thought this was a joke. I. thought it was it was like No, scroll. scroll the whole thing. It is explaining. the whole thing. The virus possesses. scroll up. virus possesses biological. characteristics that is not found in. nature in you know italics uh data shows. that all covid-19 cases stem from a. single in italics single introduction. into humans this runs contrary to.

previous pandemics where there were. multiple spillover events Wuhan is home. to China's foremost SARS research lab. which has a history of conducting gain. of function research gene alter ing and. organism supercharging at inadequate. biosafety levels. And this is where. Fouchy, you know, they could get him on. perjury because he was, you know, when. he was being questioned, he like when he. said famously to Rand Paul, Yes. You do.

not know what you are talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Look, there's a photo of him. with his hand with his You've read the. email where he his team obviously is. like, "Yo, listen, this is this is. highly suspect. in the function research. and then after he communicated with them. they all changed their for the sake of. science and global harmony let's not you. know pursue this path and then the. nature study came out and that's yeah so. you can download the the house oversight. crazy that looks like a report my.

daughter would put together by the way. for high school yeah it's so crazy but. what's what's even more amazing is that. each and every one of those points is. exactly what Brett Weinstein laid out on. your show in March of 2020 and I. remember and he was labeled a grandma. killer. I pulled the freaking car over. and started googling [ __ ] on the side of. Pacific Coast Highway. Yeah. And that. was my Neo moment in the Matrix. I I. That was it. I I That was I was forever. gone. Took the red pill. I'm glad you.

took it. It was over, man. I'm glad. you're on the right side. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. But thanks for. being here. I really enjoyed talking to. you, too. It was a lot of fun. Thank you. for having me. Uh keep fighting the good. fight. I will. You, too. Thank you. All. right. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].