Joe Rogan Experience #2299 - Dave Smith

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe. Rogan podcast by night. All. day. Good to see you again, sir. Good to. see you, too, man. See you again in. these times of trouble and chaos. Wild, wild times where leftists are. lighting Teslas on fire and putting. swastikas on them. And that's and that's. the calmst they've been in years. Like.

this is actually for them probably the. best. It's so weird how these people are. so easy to wind up and get them to do. what you want them to do. Just put a. narrative out there. You're a good. person if you go do this and they just. go run out and [ __ ] cause chaos. And. it's the most I mean look it's not like. as much chaos as say like uh the Black. Lives Matter protest in 2020 or. something. But the one about the test. it's like you're destroying electric. cars which are mostly owned by liberals. Yeah. Like, but the but I thought you've. been telling me for so long that this is. going to save the world. Like the.

importance on going green was that we're. all going to die unless we do it. And. now you're taking the most successful uh. electric car company and trying to. destroy them because for the crime of. pointing out that maybe the $7 trillion. that our federal government's spending. has a wee bit of corruption in it, you. know, like maybe we could cut some of. that. It's so I don't know. It's so on. every level it's just so surreal. It is. surreal. It feels fake. It does. It It. genuinely feels like we're living in.

some sort of a stupid movie. Yeah. Well, it makes you wonder. It makes you wonder. how controlled the whole thing is, you. know? And I don't know. I don't know. But there is a Do you remember? I think. I sent it to you at the time. Um, but. there was a like four years ago there. was a Time magazine piece about the 2020. election. It was like a real long. article um about it was some like the. title was something like how the shadow. government like stole I it wasn't.

exactly that but it was like basically. went through the real conspiracy of 2020. and they're writing it from the pro. conspiracy point of view but they're. forget anything about like ballots or. any of that stuff which I don't you know. even when you interviewed Trump he. didn't really have a good answer for. that you know he's like it's it was. stolen and you're like how do you know. it was stolen he's. It was stolen. You know, have the. information. Yeah. But the but what we. we do know like the real conspiracy in. broad daylight that they just totally. like tanked the economy overhaul. Yeah.

That's it. The secret history of the. shadow campaign that saved the 2020. election saved and they go deep into. like admitting so much about like the. censorship on social media. Um the the. support of the riots and the protests. And what's amazing about it is it really. is incredible their ability to turn on. and turn off the protest machine. Well, it's just money. Yeah. Yeah. It's just. money. There's a lot of people out there.

that have nothing to do. There are a. bunch of We were talking about the other. day. I was like, if I was 21 years old. and someone said, "Hey, they're going to. pay you $400 to go to a Kla Harris. rally. Would you go?" I'm like, "Fuck. yeah, I'd go. I'd hold that sign up. I. probably vote for when I was 21. You had. me at $400. The conversation was over. I. was like, " $400? I heard you get a,000. to go protest for Tesla." Yeah. Can I. sneak in both of those? Can we do one? Yeah. 1,400 in a day, dude. Nice. Yeah. I was I mean, I was thrilled when I was.

25 to make like 75 bucks at the comic. strip or something like that. So, yeah. But also it's a you know it's like and. this that's kind of like the whole CIA. deep state game is it's always moving. around the margins you know like if you. if there's um cuz like when I you know. on the show I've talked about a bunch. like the made on revolution in Ukraine. and when I when I'd say like this was a. USbacked coup against a democratically. elected president the response I'd get. from people who disagreed with it would.

always be like oh you're denying the. agency of the Ukrainian people cuz like. look at these pictures there's all these. Ukrainian million people in the streets. and you're like, well, yeah, but the US. poured $100 million into that street. protest. Like, you think that made a. difference a little bit, you know? And. so, like, it's not that there weren't. real people there. Sure. But man, you. want to keep a protest going through the. Ukrainian winter and then all of a. sudden you get a hund00 million and now. you got heat lamps and celebrities and.

concerts and and then you keep the whole. thing going until the democratically. elected president has to flee for his. [ __ ] life. And then what are you. supposed to look at that? Oh, that was. just an organic revolution. Like no, it. [ __ ] wasn't. You know, this is DC. overthrowing Putin's neighbor. And you. know they don't like that detail because. then it [ __ ] up the whole unprovoked. Yeah. People don't like that detail. They don't like the detail that there's. many layers of subtrafuge inter. exchanging with each other. There's just.

so much money and so much influence and. they're so good at it. They've been. doing it for so long that they can get. Time magazine to write an article saying. how it's good. Yeah. It's great. It's. good that we saved the 2020 election. And that's And by the way, I love um uh. I know your your podcast with uh Mike. Benz was phenomenal. That dude's great. He's phenomenal. I've done a few of them. now. Yeah, he's he's great. But I'll. tell you, I already I knew all that. Uh. he's right about all that USAID stuff. And I'll tell you, uh that was the whole.

thing. It's uh Scott Horton's book, Provoked, which is like the best book. that's been written on the the history. of the buildup to the war in Ukraine. And it was it's all in there, dude. if. you want. It's all footnoted, but it's. like, yeah, they're the ones pumping all. this money in. And then they make it out. like when you when you try to cut it, they're like, "Oh, no. We were just. helping some kids get on a school bus. over here and overthrowing the. democratically elected government in. Ukraine." You know, like we did we did. all of that. But well, that's the. beautiful thing about us.

a money to do essentially whatever they. want all over the world. And the way. Mike Benz describes it is that stuff is. too dirty for the CIA. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and so they can have plausible. deniability, too, cuz like what are you. talking about? Government organization. Yeah. There you go. That's totally. right. Yeah. Exactly. It's like in the. name. They might as well call it they're. like we're not the CIA, the good guy. We're just George Soros's NGO, not the. CIA at all. Totally removed. Um but also. the the thing is that you know when you.

look at like the actual money because. sometimes they'll they'll kind of point. out that they're like oh this is a very. small percentage of the budget and it's. like yeah tiny amount of money well. right it's a small percentage$2 billion. our budget but our budget I mean the I. know the entire GDP of Russia is like $2. trillion the entire economy and I don't. know what Ukraine is but smaller than. that And we spend like between 6 and $7. trillion a year just our government. So.

when you're talking about flooding in a. $und00 million flooding in a few billion. I think like it's like5 or 6 billion. since 91 we put into Ukraine that may. not sound like that much money in the. context of America the biggest economy. or the second biggest economy in the. world. But politically in a small. country like Ukraine that moves. mountains that changes the entire. landscape when the world empire is. pumping that type of money in. What do. you think the world looks like though if. the United States doesn't do that? So if.

the United States doesn't this is like. the Mike Baker perspective, right? Like. if the United States doesn't make. friends with these dictators, if the. United States doesn't put people who are. sympathetic to our causes in power, China does, Russia does, it looks very. bad for America all over the world. Things get dangerous. It's almost almost. always the uh war hawks rely on an. unfalsifiable counterfactual, you know.

So it's like, oh, but if we didn't do. this and we ran the counterfactual, it. would be this crazy other scenario. that's somehow even worse than this. Now. the problem with that from my. perspective is number one the the. factual scenario is um like something. like four to five million dead civilians. over the last 25 years. Entire nations. destroyed 8 trillion dollars depleted. from the US Treasury. Tens of thousands.

of our bravest young men blown their. brains out. So, you know, if you're. relying on this unfalsifiable. counterfactual, but it would have been. worse if we hadn't fought a war in Iraq. and Afghanistan and Syria and Libya and. Somalia and Yemen and all these places. over the last years. It okay, I'd say. the onus is on you to really have to. demonstrate that and not just assert. that it would be worse if we hadn't done. this, but also like, you know, we are. going broke doing it. Like, we're $36. trillion in debt. We can't even afford.

it. And the idea that if we were to get. out of the game of being the world. empire, then like China would go, "Okay, great. Now we get to destroy ourselves.". And it just seems completely. um it seems extremely unlikely that that. would be the case. And also, you know, it's like people act like, "Okay, if we. weren't doing this in Ukraine, then. Vladimir Putin could do whatever he. wanted to." Or, "If we weren't doing. this, then China could do whatever they. wanted to." But they've got adversaries.

all around them too who are richer than. them. Maybe not in China's case, but. certainly in Putin's case, richer than. them, are opposed to them. There's an. all of Western Europe is not just a. pushover. China has Japan and South. Korea and they've they've got their own, you know, the truth is that there's. nobody has the power that the US. government has to do this [ __ ] It's. only like we're the ones who can do this. and it would just be a better world if. we just didn't. Like you just can't. convince me that like it if we just.

hadn't have fought the terror wars like. which was totally a possibility. We. could have we had um the whole war on. terrorism could have been over by. Christmas of 2001 with the special ops. taking out the al-Qaeda cells. They. could have trapped Osama bin Laden and. Tora Bora when they had him there. They. let him escape into uh uh into Pakistan. because you know if you why why do you. think they did that? is they already had. their eye on Baghdad and you know if. Osama bin Laden is caught, you don't get. your bonus war. Oh yeah. You know what I.

mean? He's got the whole the whole um. war propaganda for invading Afghanistan. It wasn't everyone remembers WMDs. But. it wasn't just that claim. It was the. claim which Dick Cheney and George W. Bush and all the neocons pushed real. hard was that he was in on 911. Now this. totally fell apart because it was never. true and they knew it wasn't true. But. the claim was he's got these weapons and. he could hand them off to the terrorists. and then you know what was the Condisa. Rice uh line was like we don't want the.

warning to be in the form of a mushroom. cloud or something like that. Like the. fear was they're going to nuke Kansas or. whatever as soon as as soon as Saddam. Hussein gives the weapons he doesn't. have to the terrorists he's not friends. with. Um, but if they caught Osama bin. Laden, I think that would have uh that. would have destroyed the the whole seven. wars in five years. It's the Clark. strategy. You want to hear something. else on the Wesley Clark thing? This is. new. Um, so uh Pierce Morgan, say what.

you will about him. He hosted a debate. between which I love doing the show. I'm. not trashing it, but uh it's it's a. circus. But uh it is a circus. Yes. Um I. think he's very smart. Oh, he's a. genius, dude. circus is uh [ __ ] a lot. of people lining up, dude. He is he. figured out and I you got to give him so. much credit cuz he's probably the only. one from like the old guard of corporate. media who figured it out. He went, "Okay, I see where we are. Yes, I see. what's going on and I know what people.

want to see happen." Well, Tucker. figured it out too, but in a different. way. No, Tucker. Tucker is actually Yes. Tucker is the one who really figured it. out. Doing this kind of a show. Yes. Yeah. Basically doing long form podcast. Well, look, but with people who sucked. Obama's dick. and other various experts and other like. really Yeah. really amazing people. Maybe 10% of the coverage is about who. sucked Obama's Did you see that. physician who was on the other day that. was talking about all the cancer rises? Yeah. They're seeing cancer. I didn't. watch the whole thing, but I saw a few. clips from it. It's very very. interesting. Crazy. They're seeing.

pancreatic cancer in kids, little kids, which is just unheard of. He was saying. that in all of his career, he had never. seen pancreatic cancer in a child. before, right? And now now they're. seeing it. Well, they I mean they used. to call uh type 2 diabetes adult onset. diabetes cuz it was like the kids don't. get it. It was like unheard of and now. it's like all over the place, right? I. saw that thing. I saw cuz you uh posted. it, but the uh Kaylee.

Means so great. Wasn't it [ __ ]. amazing? It's just amazing that they're. arguing against this. Well, there's like. no argument and like I'm far from I I. don't really understand the [ __ ] that. well, but you go, "Okay, it's crazy that. Bobby Kennedy is overhauling this whole. thing and cutting all this and you're. like, "Okay, okay, we spend more on. health than any other nation in the. world by far and we're the sickest.". Yeah. You're telling me there should and.

and your position here the it just like. exposes that the entire media it's like. your your position here is to get in. between the regime and any threat to the. regime. Well, it's also radical change. and radical change causes controversy. and controversy is what they sell, right? So, the media is going to sell. that and they're going to sell it on on. the angle of this is creating all sorts. of problems. All sorts of people are. losing their jobs. budgets are getting. cut, people are getting fired, they're. out on the street. It's that like that.

That's just what they they have to do. that. That is what if you're doing. television media, news, print media, subscription media, that's part of your. job. Well, but you could also get huge. ratings by covering the controversy that. is we spend more money and have the. worst outcomes. Can't do it. Can't do it. because you get too much money from the. pharmaceutical drug companies also. Cali. means pointed that out, right? And and I. mean, look, if the if the media was just. driven by ratings, they'd be doing shows. on Jeffrey Ebstein every day. Every day.

I mean, because they would you'd be the. number one show in cable news. You could. go, I'm going to talk about no other. topic. Give me the the 8:00 p.m. hour on. MSNBC or CNN or Fox News or whatever. And I'll say, I'm just going to make my. show about Jeffrey Epstein. That's the. every single day. That's all we're. doing. I guarantee you I have the number. one show in cable news, right? More. people would want to watch that. Candace. Owens show that's on YouTube. Yeah, that's right. And it's doing better. numbers than any of the shows on cable. news. It's It's phenomenal. It's It's.

like they created a monster with her. when they when they fired her from the. Daily Wire. They created a monster. Yeah, they sure did. She can't be. stopped. Yeah. Oh, no. No, no. There's. no stopping Canon. She's hitting all the. [ __ ] third rails that no one wants to. touch. She's got a six-hour presentation. on how Bridget Mcronone is a man. It's. [ __ ] six hours plus long. Like I don't know. I don't know if she's. even kind of right about that. I think. she's right. But she's got a lot of [ __ ]. to say on it, bro. She would be getting.

sued right now. Instead of trying. they're trying to bribe her instead of. trying to give her money to shut the. [ __ ] up. Yeah, they would sue her. Yeah. No, you're probably right about that. I. don't know if they are suing her. Have. they Have they tried to file anything? They probably have. They probably filed. some [ __ ] lawsuits. I'm sure I'm. sure she's dealing with several. I'm. pretty sure she's right. I don't know. I. might be wrong. Yeah, I think she's. right. The whole thing stinks. And what. stinks way worse than that giant. distraction is that the number one. opponent for Mcronone just got sentenced.

to four years in jail and barred from. political life for 5 years. And the. front runner, not just the number one. opponent, the one who's winning. Yeah. Yeah. It's [ __ ] crazy. It's what they. try to do to Trump plus Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, they were able to take it. further. And then we'll see if there's. the backlash the same way there was when. they tried to do that to Trump. And it's. just so it's like the um the there's. some propaganda that's like almost too.

it can't be successful propaganda. Like. saying Saddam Hussein has weapons of. mass destruction and is in bed with. terrorists. That's good propaganda right. there. You know, right after 9/11, you. could totally convince the average. American that okay, well, we can't let. that stand. You know, in a post 911. world, we can't allow some Arab dictator. to have nuclear weapons and he's friends. with the terrorists and he's in on 9/11. Okay, we got But to say the propaganda. is democracy is on the ballot while.

you're trying to arrest your your. opponent because he's winning in the. polls. Like that's just too like it's. too ridiculous. It's too that you have. to say what you're arresting him for. Yeah. And then when people look at it, you're like, "Wait, Mara Lago is worth. how much?" Yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold. on. 34 what? Bookkeeping errors. They're. misdemeanors. How? Where's the felony? There's no Isn't it past the statute of. limitations? It is. And you're like, "And nobody's ever been tried on this. char. This is a novel like like a charge.

where it would be a misdemeanor, but. you've ramped it up to a felony." And. there's no victim and there's no victim. involved. The banks themselves are. telling you, "Oh, we were happy to do. business with Donald Trump. We do. business with him again." Yeah, we we. got our money back. There's no victims. at all. And it's what every real estate. agent does. Every real estate salesman, every real estate investor. They. overvalue their properties. And your. property is essentially only worth what. people are willing to pay for it. Yeah. Look, I mean, it's so ob it was so. obvious that they were just weaponizing.

the the legal system to go after it. It's so crazy. Like they they tried to. say Mara Lago was only worth $18. million. Yeah. Like, dude, I would buy it right away. If someone told me you could get Mara. logo for $18 million, I'd call my. accountant right now. I'd go, "Don't. lose this. Jump on this." Dude, we do. some podcast money. Wire the money. I'm. moving to Florida. You just bring down Austin. You're. Everybody, I'd have to have the call. with Jamie. He'd be like, "Fuck." Yeah.

You go. You thought we're moving to. Florida, [ __ ] Back to Florida. You. thought you had some uncomfortable. summers here. Did a lot of golfing. A. lot of golfing for you. I lived in. Florida for a while. I go back. A lot of. golfing. I like I like I like some parts. of Florida. Florida's fun. Well, I don't. think uh I don't think Trump's selling. And I don't think you're getting it for. 18 million. I'd like to live around. alligators again. It's exciting. This. episode is brought to you by the. farmer's dog. We all want to do the best. for our dogs, but there's a lot of mixed. messaging out there, especially around. dog food. Take kibble for example. You'd.

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Yeah, the don't don't leave your kids. unattended. But yeah, sure. No, no, no, no, no. Give your kids a gun. So, let me. All right, let me tell you cuz I forgot. what I was say. So, okay. So, Pierce. Morgan hosts a debate between Scott. Horton and uh Wesley Clark. Oh, interesting. And so in this debate, one. of the most interesting things, Wesley. Clark just very casually said this, but. there's a it's like breaking news. Um, but he said, so everybody, I assume we. played it like a bunch of times on the. show before, but Wesley Clark's.

four-star general. He was the head of. NATO, and he told Amy Goodman on. Democracy Now, that he saw in late 2001. the what is become known as the five uh. seven wars in five years. that the plan. from the neocons in the government was. that we were going to overthrow all. these governments in the region um in. the next f uh five years. Now this plan. obviously didn't end up happening in 5. years but it's literally he names seven. countries and there's one to go and that.

one by the way happens to be the one. that Donald Trump is flirting with a war. with right now Iran. All the rest of. them have happened. Israeli news. reported today that a strike on Iran is. imminent. Did you see that? Oh yeah. Yeah. No, there's I mean the it's we're. very clearly moving toward this war, yet. another catastrophic war. But so Wesley. Clark gets asked about this in the. debate and he goes, "Oh, it actually. goes back much further than that." He. goes, "I first saw the plans in 1991 and. it came from Paul Wolawitz." Okay, so he. goes, "Paul Wolitz had these plans in.

1991 and he took them to Brent Skrooft. who was uh George HW Bush's national. security adviser. So he takes them to. them and according to Wesley Clark again. my source on this is a four-star. general. He says that Skruff went we'll. look at this after the. election. 92 is the election year. They. lose. Bill Clinton comes in and he goes. and the plan kind of got killed. And. then he said it was revived later in a. study paid for by the Israelis and that. this was done um that Richard Pearl was.

really the one who brought it back to. life and that it was explicitly done. because this is what they thought was. necessary to protect Israel. And like as. I've mentioned to you before now I don't. know exactly what study he's referring. to. Um but he said that's what he said. But I do know as I've mentioned before. in this that anybody can go read uh the. clean break. Um you could Google it, right? It's a a clean break, a new. strategy for securing the realm, which. was a letter written by the guy he. mentioned, Richard Pearl and David. Worms, to Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996 was.

his first year when he came in as prime. minister. And the whole thing is. basically the clean break is a break. from the peace process, a break from. Oslo because essentially Bill Clinton. had gotten Yeetsak Rabin and uh and uh. Arafat to agree to like start this. two-state solution process that should. be loosely based around 67 borders. You. got to finally give these Palestinians a. state. You've been occupying them since. 1967. You got to finally take your boot. off their neck. And the clean break.

strategy was to go, listen, we got to. get away from this whole idea of a. Palestinian state and giving them land. And basically the thinking, the Rabbine. old school thinking on this, loosely. speaking, it's it's a little more. complicated, but basically they were. like, look, we've been occupying the. Palestinians for for decades and decades. now. The the broader Arab world hates us. over our treatment of the Palestinians. And so what you got to do is you have to. make peace with the Palestinians so that. you can get along with all these Arab.

states around you. That was kind of the. thinking. And the clean break strategy. was like, "No, no, no, no. We're going. to reverse that. Instead of making peace. with the Palestinians so that we get. along with the Arab states surrounding. us, what we're going to do is we're. going to overthrow all of those states. so we never have to make peace with the. Palestinians. So we never have to have a. two-state solution. What we'll just do. is we'll go overthrow all of these. governments." Of course, Israel can't go. overthrow all of these governments, but. the US can. And so after n they had.

these plans in in according to Wesley. Clark in '91, we know about the clean. break memo in 96, but after 9/11, that's. when by a terrible twist of fate and all. this [ __ ] the neocons are in power. They're in George W. Bush's. There is no. Brent Skraftoft. There is no HW. There's. nobody with like a little bit of wisdom. at the top. It's Dick Cheney at the top. and then his sidekick George W. Bush and. they go, "So now we're going to mo move. to get this." Do you remember when Dick.

Cheney was in the bunker and W wasn't? Yeah. That's when we knew it was up. Yeah. Yeah. That'll tell that'll tell. you something. We We were informed that. he was in the bunker, which is so crazy. Like, why would you say where the guy. everyone's trying to kill is hiding? Yeah. Are you Are you that confident in. your bunker? And where's this bunker? What does it look like? Can I get a. [ __ ] MTV cribs tour of this. bunker? What's going on with the bunker? And look, man. And then just and and you. could see now where there's like so much.

um there there's such a rise in people. being so fed up with with this stuff. But the idea that we're now I mean look. just even uh with those this whole. signal gate [ __ ] that just happened and. it's like the real scandal there isn't. even I mean I I do think that Mike Walt. should be fired over this. I mean it's a. crazy screw up and it's totally. embarrassing. How do you do how do you. do that? I mean I don't understand how. you do that. It doesn't make any sense.

to me. Did you see his interview? But it. it is a signal chat between high level. government officials with classified. information that's being discussed about. war plans. They would claim it's not. classified, but it was information about. an eminent attack that's about to take. place. Seems like that would have to be. classified. How is that? If that's not. classified, somebody else should get. fired. Yeah. But the at the end of the. day, you have uh I believe there was 18. people in that chat. Is that correct? Something probably around there. Yeah.

Um, and no one goes over those things before. you start addressing this information. If Jamie and I were talking [ __ ] about. someone and we decided to do it on. Signal, like, I would make sure that I. didn't accidentally include my mom. Yeah. Right. Or or or a [ __ ] reporter. I know. Or worse, like or the or Trump. himself. Whoops. Or like your enemy, like the person who hates you the most. How could you even have that guy in your. contact list? Like what's going on? And.

also I like how do you accidentally. include someone? And the chat is I mean. this is you can't overstate it. Short of. the president of the United States, it's. the most senior positions. It's you have. CI director going over the list before. you go live. It's un it's unbelievable. But I will say that like that and and. perhaps there's another element. I mean. I don't know. I you know I don't exactly. know. I I know in Trump's first term, the efforts from his own government to.

sabotage him were. profound. Yeah. I mean, they were they. were framing him for being a Russian. spy, his own intelligence agencies. And. so, when you have a conversation like. this get leaked to the most anti-Trump, you know, propagandist at the Atlantic, it does raise some questions like, was. this done intentionally? Was it not? Um, yeah, it's and and I don't know if you. saw, but uh Waltz was he did Laura. Ingram show um like a couple days after. it came out. And I mean his answers were.

just ridiculous. Like it was like um she. was like uh so was this a staffer who. messed up? Was someone? And he goes, "No, no, no. You know, I take full. responsibility." Um but it was, you. know, I'm sure a lot of people have a. contact with the wrong number saved in. the contact or something like that. Yeah, but you don't include that. Yeah, but also every time I get a new phone, one of the things I do is I go, "Oh, wow. Look at all the dead people on my. phone." Right. I have a lot of dead. people on my phone. Depressing. Yeah. It's so sad. But I have a lot of friends.

that I look through my contact list. I'm. like, "Fuck, he's gone. Oh, [ __ ] He's. gone." It's, you know, like, and I have. to make the decision. Do I delete them. from my contact list? Generally, I. don't. I like seeing their names. I have. a an old message from an old boss of. mine. I keep the phone just because it's. got the voicemail on it. Yeah. No, I got. that. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you keep. things that you don't need. I have. contacts for people that are not just. dead, but people that are dead to me. You know what I mean? Like why why do I.

have them in there? I don't I don't talk. to that guy anymore. Like, but you don't. add them to a [ __ ] chat list. That. doesn't make any sense. Well, right. And. also and he was claiming like the idea. of which I'm sure has happened to all of. us before where like maybe you're taking. down someone's number and you enter it. wrong. So like but that wouldn't you. wouldn't happen to hit the Atlantic. journalist guy's number. No, he was he. had to be in contact with that guy. Well, he claims he's never been in. contact with him. He's never met him. He's never include him. Then they found. by the way then they found pictures of.

them together at like different events. So he's already lying. Yeah, he's. already lying. It's not. But I will say. like that it's like with a lot of these. things um it you know there was like uh. which I've we've talked about before on. the show, but there's the leaked. Victoria Nuland phone call where she's. um deciding who the new government in. Ukraine will be like right around the. Okay. And then at one point she's. furious at the European Union for not. like moving in faster. And she goes uh.

at one point she goes, you know, [ __ ]. the European Union. We'll just do it. ourselves. We should play that recording. cuz it's so crazy. People should hear. it. But the point is that the um the. scandal became that she said, "Fuck the. EU." And you're like, "No, no, no, dude. That's not the scandal here. That's not. They're like, "Isn't this undiplomatic. of her saying [ __ ] the European Union?". Like, that's the least of what's. interesting about this. Isn't it. interesting that Congress people swear. now? It is very bizarre. Everybody's. swearing. Yeah. Everybody's like, "Fuck. this." Calling people retards. It's. great. Well, it's it is it's like they.

lost. They were trying to play that like. Donald Trump's like down here and we're. the D and then that didn't work. So they. were like I guess we'll just try to be. like him too now. [ __ ] Elon Musk. Yeah, everybody's excited again. It's. interesting. They're they're adopting. podcast language is what it is. Yes. But. it's um I don't think it's going to be. successful for them because what they're. not adopting is the authenticity of it. And it comes off as kind of like um it. goes, "Oh, now you're doing this like. after all these years of pretending you.

were all formal and everything was about. decorum and how Donald Trump wasn't emar. he wasn't presidential enough and now. you're like, "Oh, so you never really. believed any of that shit." It's like. It's like them trying to turn on the. woke stuff. It's like it just does. It's. too long. You You were so married to. this for too long. You you gave up your. authenticity for too long. Yeah. And. we're It's like a Chris Cuomo type deal. It's it's like Chriso it's uh Elizabeth. Warren drinking the beer but like not. doing it right, you know, putting like. her whole mouth over a bottle of beer. I.

I want people to get better, right? So, if you were a propagandist and you're. like, you know what, this is [ __ ]. But there's examples of those people out. there that are legitimate, you know? And. then there's also people that realize. like, oh, well, that job is over. I. can't do that anymore. Now I have to be. something different. Let me try to be. authentic. Yes. And but you can people. can read that, ma'am. They can tell But. you're also never going to fully be. authentic. You're always going to hold. something back. You're always going to. you're going to say things because you. want people to think of you a certain.

way rather than okay, this is. uncomfortable, but this is how I think. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's right. Oh, but so. so anyway, just on the signal thing. though, again, like the real scandal. here is not that they whatever either. intentionally or were just so. incompetent that they they added this. journalist to it and it got leaked. Like. the real scandal is like when you look. through the chat and that it's like what. are we just what are we doing here? We're bombing another country in the. Middle East. We're bombing the poorest.

country in the Middle East. By the way, it's been bombed forever. Oh my god. On. behalf of Israel because they're. standing up against this [ __ ] brutal. war in Gaza right now. And so we're. going to bomb these guys again. And then. you have like I got to say, man, like I. was disgusted by Tulsi Gabbard's. response there. someone who I've, you. know, said a lot of nice things about. over the years and who I really. supported as being the the DNI, but like. literally only JD Vance is the only one. who offers the mildest push back and.

goes he's like, "Hey guys, uh this is. kind of a mistake and it's kind of. everything against what Donald Trump ran. on." And by the way, like it's like such. an insignificant amount of our trade. that even goes through this area. It's. really Europe's problem, not ours. And. but I'll go along with it if you guys. want to. If you guys say, and then they. literally say on the thing, they go, "We've we've tracked the missile guy,". as they call him. This is the target. they they're trying to take out. They. go, "We've tracked him to his. girlfriend's apartment building." And. so, we'll level the apartment building.

And then Tulsi Gabard's just like, "Job. well done, team." Everybody's cheering. it on. There's not like nobody nobody. even has the thought to go like you know. like any is there a way we could do this. without like murdering an entire. apartment buildings worth of people. here? Is there a way man this is a lot? Like it's like did none do none of you. guys even kind of believe in God? Are. none of you even scared that maybe God. exists and that like Jesus Christ what. are we doing here? There is none of. that. There's not a feeling of that. There's not a sense of like we're and.

and you know, I know I've talked about. this before on the show, but we go the. whole history of of the war in Yemen. going all the way back to Obama's first. term. I mean, what we've done to this. country, the poorest country in the. Middle East, I mean, there it was a. goddamn genocide that happened in Yemen. I mean, it was the drone bomb campaign. from Obama was bad enough, but the Saudi. invasion and the blockade and the war on. the civilian population, you know, hundreds of thousands of people died. Hundreds of thousands of cases of like. chalera and these other like really very.

easily preventable and treatable. diseases that they just babies were just. dying of because they had a full. blockade around the country. Our the US. Navy [ __ ] enforcing the blockade. The. US uh [ __ ] refueling the Saudi. fighter jets and backing them the whole. war there. And the idea that we think. what launching a couple tomahawks is. going to break the Houthies after they. went through all that [ __ ] There's no. chance. Like it's not you're just. killing people for no strategic benefit. It's there's the only thing that would.

actually like we could overthrow the. Houthies if we wanted to invade the. country. Like the US military could do. that, but like short of that, the idea. that But you have to do that's like a. big public thing which is bombing. somehow or another especially drone. bombing sort of like is in the ether. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's almost. abstract. Yeah. Like you don't like if. we sent a a tier one team to go take. this dude out, that would be front page. news. That would be like an act of war. That would be like a thing. We're. declaring war on this country. We've.

invaded their land with actual boots on. the ground. It's different for some. weird reason. Like you're allowed to use. flying robots remote controlled by drone. operators who by the way have some of. the weirdest [ __ ] PSD PTSD rather. These people are all [ __ ] up for a. long time because they watch these folks. cuz they're they're watching these. folks. They know the people around. They. get to know they watch them for days. They see them hug their kids and then. they get that [ __ ] call.

and and you don't get any of the uh and. I don't know. I mean I'm just kind of. speculating here. I'm no psychologist. This episode is brought to you by Zip. Recruiter. Sometimes speed is a huge. asset, like in the ring or on the field. Being quicker than your opponent could. be the difference between winning and. losing. In the world of business, it. could be the difference between finding. or missing out on your next great hire. Luckily, you can speed up the hiring. process with Zip Recruiter. Their new. Zip Intro feature can help you meet.

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you're in the action, you know, you it. it like a lot of different, you know, primal things are going to kick up like. you're, you know, as all the troops say. and I've talked to a whole lot of them, it's almost unanimous to a man that they. always say the thing you're fighting for. once you get there is your brother next. to you. Like it's not even it's like. forget the mission or whatever. It's. like you [ __ ] this is your guy right. here and you guys are going in to make. sure your buddy doesn't get his legs. blown off or whatever. But when you. don't you don't have any of that. There. aren't bullets whizzing at you. There's.

not your friend next to you. There's not. this like sense of like I had to do what. I had to do. And this when you're just. watching it on a mon from a safe. distance, I think there's some way that. that [ __ ] you up on a whole different. level. It's got to it's got to haunt. your dreams. It has to. There's no other. way. I mean, you see a man holding his. child and swing her around in his arms. and then you know you're going to blow. that man and that kid to smitherines. Yeah. And you have to because the kids. are near the dad and we got to kill that. guy. And you got orders, you know, like. that's um and a whole apartment.

building. Like what are we talking like. thousands of people? What are we talking. about to get to this guy? Well, you. know, there's a mushroom clown. Boom. Yeah. Well, there's there's a clip that. uh Tim P got like a a real short. interview with Donald Trump during the. campaign. Like he I think he was the. first one, but it wasn't like a long. form podcast. like it was he was the. first podcaster, but they did like 20. minutes or something like that, but he. did get this one clip out of Donald. Trump on that thing where Donald Trump. is is uh eviscerating Joe Biden for.

bombing the Houthies for the same exact. reason because they were firing on. shipping lanes. And Donald Trump's like, "What type of idiot is Joe Biden?" I. mean, these guys, their answer for. everything is to drop bombs on it. Pick. up a phone. Diplomacy can work here. Like, you don't have to do this. And the. the fact is that um there were during. the ceasefire which Trump's envoy. negotiated uh which has fallen apart now. but during the ceasefire there were no.

Houthy attacks on the shipping lanes. like they stopped them and then when the. ceasefire fell apart they picked them. back up again. Now feel however you feel. about that. I'm just saying there is a. diplomatic solution here, right? Like. they they are willing to like if there's. a ceasefire, they will stop these. attacks, but there's not a military. solution short of invading the country. and having yet another catastrophic war. in the Middle East. And it's like, so. which one of those do you want to pick? America first crowd? I mean like Donald.

Trump was Donald Trump was explicitly. elected for this reason as a repudiation. of the foreign policy of the last 30. years that we're like done with this. We. want to put America first. And as you. could see even JD Vance and then a. little bit Pete Hegathth their only. issue, you know, it's never the innocent. people being killed, you know, for a. bunch of Christians. I just it's kind of. weird that that never comes up. Um but. their their issue is oh this is us. bailing out Europe because Europe. actually relies more on these these. shipping lanes than the United States.

does by orders of magnitude. And but. even that that is part of the America. first thing that Donald Trump totally. ran against. Like why is it that we have. to foot the bill for everybody else's. defense? That makes no sense. We're. broke. Our country is in bad shape. We. need those resources here. What is the. justification for these bombings? What. is the public justification? Uh that the. Houthis uh have attacked a few US uh. cargo ships and um that there's um you. know that they're international trade.

They don't have a right to disrupt. international trade in this way. Um. which is like okay it's it's true. I. mean the thing that I've seen the most. is like that people will go well we. can't just turn a blind eye to this. aggression by the Houthies. But I also. do think and and I don't even blame. people for this because it's nobody, you. know, in the corporate media or ever. talked about any of this stuff or very. rarely talked about it, never really. told the story that it's like, yeah, if. you're just coming into the story now, I. could see where you might think the.

Houthies are the aggressors. But if. you're rewinding the tape from this, there is just no debate about it. I mean. there's no question that we we literally. started um you know in it was in 2009. when Obama started up with the drone. bombing the then secret uh drone bombing. uh campaign and Yemen was one of the. major theaters you know this was um. where if you remember cuz they were it. was like the biggest scandal of the. Obama administration also not talked. about much in the media but was talked. about on a lot of podcasts was that.

Anoir Alaki and his like 14 or. 15year-old son his two American American. citizens were both killed by drone bombs. in Yemen. And this was caused a bit of. an outrage among some people because you. were like, "Hey, you know, you really. can't murder American citizens who have. never been charged of a crime. You can't. just say, well, I just, you know, forget. that whole Bill of Rights thing. They're. on my list." And by the way, the kid was. not al-Qaeda affiliated or anything. And. they claimed that that wasn't.

intentional, but it sure seemed like it. was. Um, but so Obama had a drone, you. know, he was fighting at the time. al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula had. like a presence in Yemen. So he's drone. bombing these these al-Qaeda sites. there. I think the estimates were. something like 95 to 96% of the people. who died were not the targets. So just. killing a whole bunch of innocent. people. And then as always happens uh in. these situations, al-Qaeda in the. Arabian Peninsula just grew stronger and. stronger and stronger. Uh because this.

is, you know, it's insurgent math. Like. General Mcrist said, you know, you kill. a bunch of innocent people and then, you. know, you kill one little girl and she. had three brothers and a father and two. uncles and they all join up al-Qaeda now. cuz like [ __ ] you. They're going to get. you back for that [ __ ] Everyone's. radicalized. Yes. So, so we're doing. this drone bomb campaign over there. It's completely failing. And al-Qaeda in. the Arabian Peninsula is just getting. stronger and stronger. At the same time, Obama kind of bribed off the dictator of. Yemen at the time, uh, this guy, uh, Salah, and he was like, "Listen, if you.

let us do our [ __ ] drone bombing. campaigns in here, we'll give you a. whole bunch of weapons and and money.". And so he was took the deal. And then he. used those weapons to go attack this. group, the Houthies. And then he also. started losing to them. Like even with. the US weapons, the Houthies were. [ __ ] him up. And then little by. little the Houthis like kind of took. over the whole country. And then in uh. now the Houthis are also enemies with. al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Like.

these are radical Sunnis, al-Qaeda. versus radical Shiites, the the. Houthies. And so they're [ __ ] enemies. and they're fighting a civil war while. all this is going on. And then Saudi. Arabia decided to invade in in early. 2015. And it in 2015, and you can you could. look this up if you uh Google Obama uh. to plate the Saudis is these are. literally what the Obama officials told. uh told the New York Times. I believe it. was the New York Times. Um they told. them that literally this is why. So.

Obama stabbed the Houthies in the back, took Saudi Arabia's side, took. al-Qaeda's side, started fighting on the. started using the fighting in a civil. war against the Houthis, which is, you. know, in effect taking al-Qaeda's side. in that war. And so the Saudis invade. the country. Now, Obama said essentially. that because the Saudis are like an. important trading partner, um, and they. were pissed off at us at the time. Uh, they were very upset about the war in. Iraq. The Saudis were the ones in the. region who were against it the whole.

time because they knew. They were like, you're just going to give Baghdad to. Iran basically. And this and that's. their big enemy is Iran. And then they. were also really pissed off because. Obama did the one decent thing he did in. his administration was he worked out. that deal with Iran. The same goddamn. thing that Trump tore up and is now. demanding they get back into some type. of nuclear deal. Um but so in order to. plate the Saudis, Obama goes, "Okay, we'll back your your war here." And like. I said, faux blockade around the country. um refueling their military jets. Quiet.

support for Saudis entangles US and. Yemen. This is uh Yep. Here it is. Obama. in an awkward twist becomes Saudi. Arabia's defender. Wow. And it is uh it is hard to. overstate how brutal the Saudis were in. this war. I mean like you know it's. think of Gaza something not too. unsimilar to that but you're talking. like a full blockade around the this was.

the poorest country in the Middle East. before any of this full blockade around. the country the Saudis were bombing they. were bombing their agriculture they were. bombing their like wheat silos they were. bombing their irrigation ditches there. just like a total war on the civilian. population all the way from 2015 into. 2021 when It essentially ended in like. an Afghanistan style. I guess we give. up. Like it was just eventually the. status. I think the Houthies, you know,

one of the things that's really. interesting that happened this whole. time, like you were talking about the. drone wars. So back in 2009, first of. all, it was secret. The drone program. wasn't everyone knew it. There had been. good reporting on it, but the way they. got the good reporting was like people. found the drones in Yemen, you know, and. they'd take like little, you know, grainy cell phone pictures and be like, "Look, this is a US drone." No. So, there's clearly, but actually the um uh. Obama's press secretary, it's not God. damn it, not Jay Carney, his first press.

secretary, um I'm blanking on his name, but he admitted this on NBC News. was. like a really amazing but he like uh was. talking about how the drone program this. is years later like 2012 he's at NBC. News now and he was talking about how. when he used to get questions about the. drone program he wasn't allowed to he. wasn't allowed to even acknowledge that. it was real so he would just sit there. yeah Robert Gibbs I apologize I should. have remembered that I was told not to. even acknowledge a drone program there's.

video of this when I went through the. process of becoming press secretary one. of the first things they told me was. you're not even to acknowledge the drone. program. You're not even to discuss that. it exists, said former White House press. secretary Robert Gibbs on Up with Chris. Hayes Sunday. So now think about Okay, by the way, there is video of this. It. wasn't, you know, I don't know if it's. in this article or not, but I mean that. was essentially the point, but the thing. in the video is so funny is that they. all are laughing about it. Like they're. talking about like what kind of what a. funny thing it is. Like imagine being in.

the position where you can't admit that. a real thing's real and journalists are. asking you questions. And he said. because it is kind of funny in a weird. way, but that's like you'd think a. newsman would that wouldn't be the. number one thing. Oh, here. Yeah. Yeah. This is it. I certainly think there are aspects of. that program uh that are and will remain. uh highly sensitive and very secret. But. but let me give you an example here, Chris. When I went through the process.

of becoming press secretary, one of the. things, one of the first things they. told me was, "You're not even to. acknowledge the drone program. You're. not even to discuss that it exists.". Wow. And so I would get a question like. that and literally I I couldn't tell you. what made your ass because once I. figured out it was about the drone. program, I realized I'm not supposed to. talk about it. And but here's what's. inherently crazy about that proposition. You're being asked a question based on. reporting of a program that exists,

right? So, you're the official. government spokesperson acting as if the. entire program pay no attention to the. man behind the curve. It's I think in. many ways and I think what the president. has seen and I have not talked to him. about this. I want to be careful. This. is my opinion. But I I think what the. president has seen is our denial of the. existence of the program when it's. obviously happening uh undermines uh. people's confidence overall in the. decisions that their government makes. That's really that's the major problem.

with murdering people in the poorest. country in the Middle East. You know, it. might undermine people's trust in you. and therefore your ability to murder. more uh people in the poorest country in. the Middle East. So, just like by the. way, whenever you see anyone over the. last like say eight years on MSNBC or. CNN talking about a threat to democracy. and the free press and all this, shut. the [ __ ] up. You hired that guy. The guy. who's sitting there telling you like. when it comes to the issue, forget. whether you're for the war or against.

the war. It's a secret war. You're not. even forget democracy. The people aren't. even allowed to have an opinion on this. even as the White House press. secretary, you're not even allowed to. acknowledge it. And and like why not? I. mean, it's just it's not as if they were. like, well, if al-Qaeda knows that we're. coming for them, then something is. compromised. It's just like, oh yeah, Obama ran as the peace candidate. He. collected a Nobel Peace Prize before he. had done anything. And he didn't. particularly want to tell people that he.

had just started this new campaign of. just murdering whoever he wanted to for. whatever reason he wanted to. And you. know, one of the things that's. interesting about the technology of it, and I remember people much smarter than. me predicting this at the time. Um, I. guess I never really appreciated like. exactly the the timetable of all of it, but it went in 2009, which is he's. talking about 2009 a few years later. there. It went from like, oh, the US has. this new technology where we can use. drones in war to all of a sudden now in.

2025, you're sitting around and. everybody had like this is just part of. war now. You know, literally the the. even the Houthies, I mean, they don't. have the capabilities we have, but they. have drone bombs. And that's part of how. they were able to get the Saudis to. finally back out is like they could hit. some of their oil fields with their. drone bombs and it was enough of a pain. in the ass for the Saudis to be like, "All right, like call it quits." ways. And so they ended that war in in 21, but. now these Houthies have been in charge. of Yemen the whole time since, you know, in the same way that it was like we.

fought this whole war to get the Taliban. out of Afghanistan. We just lost. Like. they just still run the whole place. And. so these guys are still there. They have. gone through the what was the worst. humanitarian crisis in the world from. 2015 to 2021. Um they survived all of. that and they're still there. And now. they see the same goddamn thing. happening in Gaza and they're the one. Again, I'm not like this is their stated. thing. I'm not saying like they're all. great people or something, but they're. going like, "No, [ __ ] that. We're. standing up for the people in Gaza." And.

so they were like, "As long as all of. you guys are supporting Israel, just. slaughtering all these people, then. we're going to start, you know, like. trying to shut down these shipping. lanes, which they don't really have the. capacity to do, but they can hit some. cargo ships and hit some military. ships." How does this ever settle? How. does this ever relax? Like when you look. at what happened in Gaza and you think. about the tensions that existed before. October 7th and then this happens and. then go then the the Israeli attack. happens. Like how does anything come to.

a peaceful resolution at this point? Well, it looks really bad at the moment. right now, you know, and like what I. always like to say, which I, you know, is like 50% just me telling myself. something to feel better about the. situation, but then 50% like it is kind. of, you know, like you look, you could. go around the world right now and like. England is right next to um is right. next to Ireland and everybody's just. cool there right now. And that would.

have seemed like impossible, you know, and like France and Germany and you know. what I mean? Like there are all these. countries where like there was a time. where it just seemed impossible. And you. know that was Egypt and Israel. So Egypt. and Israel went to war four times in the. first uh 20some years of the existence. of the state of Israel. They just kept. going to war and war and war against. each other. And then in the late '7s. they made a deal and it was like a land. for peace swap. But isn't it part of the. problem that Palestine is not a state?

Like Oh, that's Yeah, that's like the. whole problem. That's the whole thing. It's like you you can never come to. peace if you never even acknowledge they. exist. Yeah. That Well, they've had So, Israel Israel uh took control of what. what are known as the occupied. territories. They took control of Gaza. and the West Bank in 1967. And it's one thing, like I'm not like. saying it's ever justified, but like. it's one thing to like occupy an area. for a few months after a war as you're. going through the process of turning it.

over to the, you know, like to. themselves or it maybe even a few years, but like we're going into like 60 years. of complete Israeli control over these. people. And and under Israeli control, they have zero rights. Zero rights. whatsoever. I mean like they don't have. the freedom of movement. They don't have. freedom to trade with the outside world. They don't have voting rights. They. don't have the right of due process. I. mean they get they get if literally to. this day like in the West Bank where.

there's like all these big Israeli. settlements because the Israelis are. just constantly slowly stealing more of. the Palestinians land. They if like an. Israeli settler in the West Bank in the. same jurisdiction gets in a dispute with. a Palestinian there, the Israeli citizen. he's a citizen of Israel. He has rights. He goes to a trial. The [ __ ] the. Palestinian goes in front of a military. trial if he's lucky enough to get that. They have something like a 99%. conviction rate. You're just totally.

[ __ ] Like, and this and and then. look, a lot of people will point to like. look like there's there's been terrorism. on the Arab side toward the Israelis. going back many years, but like I think. you're essentially right. You can't. expect a group of people who have to. just be subjugated for eternity and not. nobody's going to try to violently fight. back. And of course, when they. nonviolently try to fight back, that. gets squashed, too. That gets met with. violence. And then the wildest thing, Trump comes along and says, "We're going.

to take it." Yeah. We're going to take. it. We're going to turn it into the. Mediterranean of the Middle East. It's. such a man, it's such a I really just. and I'll say listen, I know like the. last time I was on was on election night. and I I look I supported Donald Trump in. this last election. I think Donald Trump. was like a. necessary force. Donald Trump is a once. in a century type of figure. Um, yeah. I. mean, there was just nobody was. positioned to do the things that Donald.

Trump did. And there were like enormous. positives that came out of him winning. this election. I mean, Donald Trump. landed a devastating blow on the. Republican establishment in 2016 when he. won the primary and he landed a. devastating blow against the Democratic. establishment by winning the presidency. this year. and he like destroyed the. corporate media like in a way that. nobody else could have done. And all of. those things are like incredible. achievements, you know, but there is.

this like kind of tragedy with Donald. Trump, too, where it's like he's the one. guy who was able to do all of this. And. I will say there were just there were. hopes that it was like, hey, he maybe. this time around, oh man, he's got Bobby. Kennedy there, he's got Tulsi Gabbard. there, he's got like all okay, this is. like a whole different stop that war in. one day. Yes, right. He's going he's. here to end the wars. Also, like he had. been burned by the system now in a whole. it's not just that they called him a. Russian traitor or whatever. It's like. they tried to throw him in jail.

They tried to murder him. Okay. Oh, no. Yeah. No, no, I'm sorry. That was. totally totally happened. A lot of. times, as we all know, professionally. scrubbed department. Yes. That happens. all the time, Joe. Many times. presidential candidates, the front. runner to be president, once again, former presidents, a sniper gets a clean. shot 130 yards away from them. very. common thing. A guy was in a Black. Rockck commercial just a couple years. ago. And and a lot of those guys were in. Black Rockck commercials once, Joe. This. is these are normal things that happened. to normal people. It's part of everyday. politics. But but so a lot of this made.

people think like, oh, maybe that but I. will say already into Trump's. presidency, it's just a lot is it's. like, ah [ __ ] now I I guess I got to be. happy with the things that he did, but. the idea that he's really figured this. out or he's really on to something or. he's learned a lot or he's the guy is. out there. He's saying we should primary. Thomas Massie and throwing his support. behind Lindsey Graham. I mean, come on. What is Thomas Massie, Mr. President. pissing him off? No, he didn't vote for. the freaking spending bill. He He voted.

against the CR because it increased. spending and was increasing the debt and. it was refunding all of the programs. that Doge had recommended be cut. So, he. was like, "No, I'm not voting for this.". And Trump was like, "Well, I'm going to. need you to vote for it." And he was. like, "No." And that's it. That's his. crime. The same thing, same reason Trump. hated him in 2020 because he wouldn't. vote for the uh the $2 trillion COVID. spending bill because he was like, "What. you're telling me? Because the country's. locked down, that means we have to bail. out every giant corporation around the. country." Like, "No, I'm not supporting. this." And then Trump sent all his.

people to go, you know, he's betraying. America first or whatever. And there's. once Trump gets in it, he just wants. like, you know, the next win. Um. but you know the the real problem here. is like the I look the idea that we are. going to go and and ethnically cleanse. like finish the job of ethnically. cleansing the Palestinians out of Gaza. on behalf of Israel. It's like what. first of all what do you think what do. you think the reaction to that's going. to be? What do you think what do you.

think that's going to do to our country. here? You know, it's like I feel um it's. like I I see a lot of people who uh get. very upset about what they they call the. rise of. anti-semitism. Um which certainly, you. know, according to my Twitter feed is is. real and is there's a lot of people. Do. you think it's well, is it a rise or is. it the ability to express it now been. unlocked. or is it both? I don't know. Maybe both. You know, I I have a tough time kind of.

figuring out exactly what it is. It's. also um there's there's a troll aspect. to it. You know, there's there's when. you make one thing the thing that you're. not allowed to say and the thing that's. going to get a rise out of everybody. There's this has been true and it's been. building for for many years. um kind of. the alt-right back in the day was kind. of the first, you know, version of this, but where you could be some guy just at. on your computer. You could be a.

15-year-old on on your phone or whatever. and you could get, you know, the New. York Times senior editor to be like, "Look at this outrage." You know, and. just the ability to provoke that. reaction out of somebody is that's fun. Yes, that's f and for you're you're. handing this person who has no power. like some real kind of power. Right. I. also think that um young for young men. today, particularly like young straight. white men, I think it's kind of hard.

like for me and you to even understand. the world they grew up in that is very. different than the world we grew like. they grew up in this woke era. And okay, now it's kind of like that's receded and. wokeism has been defeated. But they grew. up in a time where. racialism was accepted by every powerful. institution just against them, right? You know, like it was totally fine to. demonize straight white men at your high. school, at your college, in your movies, in your TV shows, your politicians,

celebrities, everybody was just And that. does like it unlocks a certain thing. that we kind of all had a gentleman's. agreement to not unlock. like we're just. not really going to do that, you know, we don't want to be like racialists. And. so that's I think that's a component to. it, too. But there's also no question. that it's, you know, it's. exploded since Israel's launched this. war on Gaza. Yeah. And it's exploded on. the left, which you never heard.

anti-Jewish sentiment in public spaces. before. You you really never saw that on. campuses. You know, if Israel did. something, you may see a protest, but it. was generally it was organic. These. don't seem organic. They seem very. funded and they're very disruptive. And. you know, some universities experience. vandalism and fires and crazy [ __ ] and. people being threatened and doxed. You. know, it's um it's different. It's it's.

it's a different level of it than I. think we've ever seen before. And it's. kind of it's it's created a giant divide. on the left, right? Because on the left. you have a lot of people that are their. whole life they've been in support of. Israel, right? And now all of a sudden. there's these free Palestine people that. are also on the left. So you this divide. on the left. Yeah. and and and there was. that divide goes back a like there there. were leftist divides over the Israel. Palestine question going back really to. like 1967 um where most of the um the.

kind of like uh the the black power. movement people like the Black Panthers, the Nation of Islam, those guys, they. all sided with the Palestinians because. they all saw it as like an extension of. like, yeah, that's the whole, you know, we're against um this kind of like. racist coloniz. like and then of course there were a lot. of influential Jewish people on the left. who were like no in this case we're okay. with it but you guys sure are right.

about all that civil rights stuff but. like let's not look at the let's not. look over there um but so a lot of that. has kind of reemerged now I do also you. know I don't know um like I've talked to. uh I talked to one kid who was like a. grad student in at Colombia which was. really like the center of so many of. these protests and he's Jewish. And I. was like, uh, I was like, "So, what's it. like there?" And he was like, "Ah, they're annoying and they're Latin. Like, some of their their their chants. are like real kind of weird. Like, I.

don't really know what they mean by it.". And I was like, "Uh, well, do you ever. feel like threatened or?" And he's like, "No, no, it's not like it's fine. They'll just chant as you walk by." And. then I do know also that they um they. had at least one time they had like a. seder service which cuz they got like. Jewish people in those protest movements. too. Um, and so they over last Passover, it was a year ago, they had like a seder. service with the Jews like in there too. So I also don't I don't know like what. percentage of them are like just against. the war and seeing pictures of dead.

babies and stuff like that. What. percentage of them are actually, you. know, like harbor resentment toward. Jewish people? Like it's it's kind of. hard to to measure. But I would just say. that like it almost in a very similar. way to like what I was talking about. with the the drone war against al-Qaeda. in the Arabian Peninsula. It just made. them stronger. You know, it's like, hey, if you want to see less al-Qaeda, maybe. stop having the American military kill. innocent civilians in their land because. that seems to be fueling them. And at.

the same time, for the people who are so. concerned about the rise of. anti-semitism, you're like, okay, well, it has exploded since Israel's been. doing this to Gaza, right? So, like. maybe the US shouldn't be funding and. arming the whole goddamn conflict. because that does seem to like at least. give those people a giant talking point. to latch on to. Maybe we shouldn't have. a system where like our political class. is not allowed to criticize a foreign. government and and a foreign government. that's gotten us into like seven wars at.

least played a large role in getting us. into those wars explicitly. I'm not like. alleging some secret conspiracy. I'm. saying like Benjamin Netanyahu is John. McCain, right? Like he's very he's he's. been telling us Iran has a nuke. He's. been telling us they're five years away. from a nuke since I was seven. Literally, he's been saying Iran is 5. years away from a nuke the entire time. And he he came over here, he testified. before Congress in 2002 that we as a. regional expert that if we were to. overthrow Saddam Hussein, democracy.

would sweep the region and there'd be. all these positive reverberations. And. then he goes, "And you also got to. overthrow the regime in Iran. And you. also got to overthrow Muar Gaddafi." And. like every single one of these things, we not Iran yet. Still pushing for that. But we went and overthrew Saddam. Hussein. We went and overthrew Muar. Gaddafi. And I don't know what swept the. region, but it wasn't democracy. No. I. remember in the early 2000s when I. realized there's two fighting factions. of Islam. I was like, "What?" Yeah. And.

that Saddam Hussein had actually kept. that from boiling over. Yeah. Because he. was in control. Yeah. No, I remember. learning it too. Right around the same. time. Like you're telling me there are. shirts and skins over there? They fight. against each other. Like what do they Do. you know the difference between Sunni. and Shiad? Uh I mean I know that they're. different sects of Islam, but like in. terms of like the religion itself, is it. like the Catholics versus the. Protestants? Yeah, I think it's. something like that. Like it's always. the people with the like most minor. interpretations of their holy book. differences who like go to war the most.

aggressively, right? You know what I. mean? Like it's like the Catholics and. the Protestants or you know like you. agree on 95% of this religion but like. whatever. If you didn't know about that. conflict, you would never believe it's. real. Like Christians going to war with. other Christians like different sex like. brutal horrible wars. Especially when. you could like read about Jesus and. you'd be like this doesn't seem to be. what he's saying at all, man. who's at. the helm of this [ __ ] battleship. It's un it's unbelievable to me that any. and I'm not claim to be any type of.

religious expert and I'm not a. Christian, but it is unbelievable to me. that anybody could be a Christian and. could then like somehow do the mental. gymnastics and rationalization to be. like, "And that's why you got to support. every war. That's why we got to fight. every single one of these wars cuz you. know, just like that guy Jesus told us, slaughter women and babies.". seems like the opposite of his message. from my humble understanding of it. So. the argument of that if you wanted to. take the argument would be like you have. to do that to protect everyone here.

Yeah. I mean that's the argument like we. have to go to war with Iran, a country. that doesn't have nuclear weapons or an. air force capable of delivering them. here. And it's so convenient that. they're evil. so convenient that they. torture students and they they execute. Olympic gold medalists in wrestling. because they protested against the. government. It's so convenient. Well, it's also like, you know, there's evil. [ __ ] going on all over the world and. it's terrible that there is. But isn't.

it interesting how like the next war, you know, like I was um I was in I I did. a debate uh at Princeton University um a. few months back um against Josh Hammer. who's uh is a editor at Newsweek and we. did like an Oxford style debate on. whether the US should support Israel and. you know one of the things he said to me. so I was talking about like all this. stuff like the clean break strategy and. the seven countries in five years and he. was like oh the war in Libya, that was a.

totally separate thing. Like that was. that was like a liberal interventionist. war. And I was like, well, it sure is a. coincidence that it was one of the seven. countries. You know what I mean? Like. what a wild coincidence that we the the. government we decided to overthrow was. the exact government that fourstar. general Wesley Clark told me we were. planning on overthrowing way before any. of these claims about how Gaddafi and. they all is wild. Yeah, the Libya one's. wild when you see how good of a leader.

he was obviously an evil dictator. No. question. An eccentric fellow. Yeah, definitely a piece of [ __ ] However, for. the people that lived there, they got no. interest loans. They they had incredible. infrastructure. Their economy is doing. well. They were at peace. I think it was. one of the richest countries in Africa, which is, you know, grading on a curve. Then a few years later after we invade. it or we helped people, we we assisted. it becomes a failed state and they have.

slave auctions on YouTube. Yeah, that's. right. Now, I've heard it's recovered. somewhat. I people reach out from Libya. and tell me that Tripoli is actually not. bad, is doing better than it was. But. also and and the other uh part of this. is that this was a huge contributing. factor to the migrant crisis in Europe. you know, like all these things do have. like these domino effects where so then. Gaddafi also was kind of like not. allowing that to happen and then you had. these huge numbers of refugees pouring. into Europe. Then you see the rise in.

but it seems like they're they're. wanting them to pour in. Yeah. It see I. mean this is where it gets really. strange. You know, I had a conversation. with someone about this that didn't. understand it and we were we were going. over civil unrest and how what the use. of civil unrest. One of the things that. civil unrest does do really well is it. makes people want to have measures to. stop civil unrest that ultimately erode. liberties. Y it's a really good. strategy. So if you want to uh take away.

people's guns, take away right to. protest, take one of the best things to. do is to release as many criminals as. you can and flood your your city with. violence and crime. Um the more violence. and crime you have, the more people will. be freaked out. The more people be. freaked out, the more likely they are to. give in to new measures of control. That's exactly right. Exactly. And you. do that worldwide. You do that. But. also, let's talk about Europe, okay, in. particular. Let's talk about Germany. Let's just talk about the UK. What have. they been doing besides letting in.

immense numbers of migrants? One thing. they've been doing is arresting people. for Facebook posts. They're arresting. people for stepping out of line. So, they're moving closer and closer to. totalitarianism. And if you look at the. numbers of people, you know, um, that. have been arrested for just face, one of. them was someone just got arrested, pulled out of his house 2 o'clock in the. morning for a Facebook post saying that. he didn't like the Palestinian flag. I.

mean, this is wild stuff. It's wild. stuff. And thousands of arrests, not. just Have you seen Constantine Kissing. talking to someone about this? And he. was explaining Yeah. He was explaining. like Russia imprisoned 400 people for. posts on social media. That's crazy, right? How many you think the UK did? And he's like, "Oh, I have no idea.". It's like 4,000. And he's like, "What?". Yeah. Thousands of people are getting. arrested in the UK. And you you're only. seeing some of them. You're seeing the. people that are filming it at the time. who have the wherewithal to grab a cell.

phone. There's a lot of people that just. been by themselves. They just got. scooped up. What was it? Is uh I think. it was 60 Minutes did a piece where they. had like three lawyers. um they were. sitting there and like were kind of like. asking them like, "So, would this post. be okay? Would this be okay? Could I say. something?" And they're like, "Well, posting it is actually much worse than. just saying it." And I mean, like, it is. really creepy. It's really creepy. And. but you're so right. You're so spot on. about this kind of like this this like. onetwo punch of like destabilization and.

then government coming in with the. solution. It's uh Harry Brown uh who was. uh he's he's uh deceased now, but he's a. brilliant uh uh guy. Um he was like uh. he ran for president on the Libertarian. Party in 96 and 2000, but he used to uh. he used to say the uh the government uh. breaks your leg and then offers you a. crutch and then like they convince you. to be thankful for the crutch and you're. like, "Man, if this government wasn't. here, I wouldn't have a crutch. I'd be.

walking around on broken legs." But you. see it where like look even um if you. just watch I remember like during 2020. uh in when the George Floyd thing first. happened and the and forget like. whatever the autopsy there was the one. autopsy that said it was fentanyl that. killed him. Like leaving those that all. of that aside just when the video of of. that uh Derek Schovin kneeling on this. guy's neck who's on the ground and. crying in pain and he's kind of smiling. and then the guy dies. Everybody I know. I mean it was so unified. I knew.

hardcore right-wingers, you know, my my. Fox News watching father-in-law. I. remember the I was at his house the day. it happened and he goes, "Every one of. those cops should be put in handcuffs on. national television." And he goes, "They. should all be charged with murder." Like. there was, you know, that was like, "You. cannot do this." And then after the. riots started in the summer, all those. same people were like, "Send in the. military." You know, like like you just. see how like someone could so quickly go. from like, you know, we really need some.

police reform here, like there is too. much state power of policing to then. after you see some riots. What are you. asking for? Well, who's going to stop. that martial law? Yeah. The all we need. the government to come in and crack down. more police power than ever before. So. you could see like and that's just like. a little scale but you could see how. much that that demand and and by and. sometimes very understandably so like in. that example very understandably so. because you're like well I don't know. like I'm totally against like the. overmilitarization of the police but. when you have these huge riots across.

every major city in the country you're. like well I guess that's this is the one. time we have a reason to have that and. then by the way of course they don't do. anything to stop it they just let it go. It's all it's the the George Floyd one. was fascinating because it wasn't a. setup. It was just an. organic moment where someone was filming. some guy who had a a guy lean. Now, was. he on his neck or was he on his. shoulder? Because I keep hearing people. online saying he was on his shoulder.

Maybe maybe that that might be right. The thing is on the. neck, you're really going to go out. You're going to go to sleep. You know, if if the guy's really pressuring your. neck like that, you're going to like. anybody who thinks that's not a big. deal, get someone who knows how to put. weight on the knee, leaning on your. neck. Okay, he's right on the neck. No. question at all. Okay, that will put you. to sleep for the most part. And that. will definitely constrict your breathing. depending upon how much weight he. actually has on that neck and how strong. George Floyd is. Now, imagine this guy's.

already [ __ ] up. He already has an. enlarged heart. He's on fentinel. He's. already [ __ ] up. But would he have. died without this happening? Well, from. what I understand, there were two. autopsies. People want to say it was an. overdose. Well, maybe, you know, it certainly he. had poor health because of drug abuse. and it certainly must have contributed. to it. But are you saying that if that. that wouldn't have a giant effect on. someone in poor health? Like if you did.

that to an old man with emphyma, if you. had some guy who's been smoking. cigarettes for 50 years and you got on. his neck, he could [ __ ] die right. there. Was whereas if he didn't if you. didn't get on his neck, he probably live. a long time, right? And you can't say it. was the smoking that killed him if you. if it was that, right? Remember Eric. Gardner? It was another one. And Eric. Gardner, people were saying, you know, he died because he's fat and he had a. heart attack. I was like, "No, dude. That guy's choking him." Yeah. And if. you don't think that guy's choking him, let me grab your neck like that. You. don't think that's a joke? Because Oh,

because it's one arm. I'll put you to. sleep with one arm. Yeah, that's Oh, yeah. You could put someone to sleep. At. least UFC fighters get put to sleep. Professional fighters get put to sleep. with one arm. Professional world. champion Shawn Brady choked out Leon. Edwards for the most part with a. one-armed guillotine. And Luke Rockold. got uh Mike Michael the same way. One. arm guillotine. Yeah, Peter Ortiz got. somebody with that. The one guillotine. is legit. Oh, and anybody who's like if. anybody who like knows what they're. doing, it was grappling anyone who.

doesn't know what they're doing, they. could all one arm choke you out. Yeah, they were saying, "Oh, he just. restrained him." Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. When you restrain someone, you get their arms behind their back, you pin their weight down. You could. just restrain the guy if you're a good. jiu-jitsu practitioner with your body. weight. If you have a good, you're on. top, he's face down, you put your hooks. in, he's not going anywhere. You flatten. him out, you underhook him, you pull his. arms out, someone cuffs him. You don't. choke him. You don't have to choke him. The guy wasn't resisting at all. So,

that was another one, right? But these. are real moments. These are organic. moments. They're not setups, but boy are. they good at capitalizing on those. [ __ ] things. And then when you see. public officials going with this swarm. of narrative, the swarm of narrative was. defund the police. Like, are you guys. out of your [ __ ] mind in the middle. of these riots? you're going to go. against the police instead of going. against the rioters. You got one bad. cop. That bad cop should be prosecuted. or something should happen. He should. be, you know, if the guy died of an.

overdose, at the very least, what he's. doing seems to be brutal. Yeah. And. unnecessary and brutal. The guy's not. resisting. You put your put your weight. on his back. It's hard enough. It's so. hard to get up if someone has their. [ __ ] knee on your back. It's so hard. to get, especially if you're out of. shape and you have an enlarged heart and. you're on fentinel. Now, there's also. seven cops around him and he wasn't I. mean, I've watched the whole body cam. footage. He was uh he was clearly [ __ ]. up and he was clearly uh having like a.

massive panic attack, but he wasn't like. being like violent with the cops. Like. he wasn't like a he wasn't a threat for. that many cops. Cops get so desensitized. and you have so many experiences with. one individual. This guy had a long. criminal record. People that worked that. area probably all knew him. Didn't um Derek Schovin and him work. together somewhere. Yeah, I remember I. remember hearing that, but I don't know. what Yeah, they were like Yeah, they. they were doing some security together,

I think. So, um but yeah, so it's. probably some get back involved in that. knee on the neck. It's right quite. possibly. It's also one of those things. where like it is look most of the time. someone won't die if you do that. You. know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly. Um but. there is most of the time someone's not. filming it. Yes. Also true. And if the. if the the body cam footage comes out. it's usually much later. So it's not. kind of like as a media of a thing. Also, usually every single media outlet.

in the entire United States of America. in the middle of a lockdown doesn't play. the video on repeat all day every single. day cuz it's a there was no reason the. the thing about George Floyd that was. crazy is that there was no reason for it. to be a national story and there was no. reason for it to be a racial story. Like. there was wait a minute really why don't. you think there would be no reason for. it to be a national story when a cop. kills Oh, well I just mean for a false. $20 bill. No, no, I should when I say. that, okay, I'm not saying it there's no.

like story there. I'm saying there. wasn't we're a country of 330 million. people. There are a number of these. incidents that happen every year. Not. like a crazy high number, but like. there's there's a few hundred of these. every year. This one kind of seemed to. get picked as like we're all going to. run with this right now because we got. the full video. We got a four. It's like. go back to Rodney King. It's the same. thing. Yeah, I guess. Okay, that is a. fair point. The Rodney King one was a a. bit different. I mean, number one, the.

video element then was way crazier. because it was nobody had ever seen a. video. No one there was there's a guy. with a giant thing who happens to be on. his balcony at the right time. And also, they beat the ever loving [ __ ] out of. him. Like, it was Yeah. I mean, they. were just after he was down and tell. they just kept going and kept going. But. the other thing that I always thought. was like you kind of the George Floyd. thing. It's not like there was like any. element in there where like they were. calling him the n-word or there was some. type of like racial like thing. Like it.

it didn't ever seem to me that there was. any reason to believe that like had he. been a giant white dude tweaking out on. drugs doing the exact same thing, it. wouldn't have gone the exact same way. Right. But he wasn't. The thing is it is. a it is post Rodney King. It is a white. guy on the neck of a black guy. But. there was also a Asian cop and a black. cop and Yeah, but they weren't doing the. kneeling. And they also got prosecuted. That's a fair point. That is a fair. point. Didn't they get prosecuted? Uh he. he got convicted of murder. I do not.

remember. The Asian cop got prosecuted. as well. See See if what other cops got. prosecuted? I think it's one of those. things where you're just supposed to. step in and say you got you got to get. off his back. I think that's totally. reasonable. I mean, yeah, that's, you. know, to be like, hey, listen, he is. totally The thing is like I want to. know, was he on his neck the whole time? Because I had heard that he was also he. was on his shoulder and then but that is. on his neck. So, I'd have to go watch. that horrible video over again and I.

don't I don't want to do that. I was I. was I was watching some horrible videos. today from Gaza. This guy carrying. around a headless baby showing what. happened to his child is just so [ __ ]. Another guy was holding a child's arm in. his hand. Dude, it's it is so I mean. like the level the level of evil that. this [ __ ] is. I mean, you see I know. you've seen it, but you see the drone. videos like the aerial footage of Gaza. Gaza's gone. It's gone. They [ __ ]. destroyed the whole goddamn place. I saw. one uh It's hard to believe. I saw I saw.

one estimate said that uh it was uh 90%. of the population has been um uh what. what's the word I'm looking for? Uh that. they've been um displaced. Yeah. That. they've 90% of them are. nowhere% I'm good. Find that guy and. train him. That's your Rambo. But it is. uh three of the cops were found guilty. of violating his rights and one other. one got pled guilty to aiding and. abetting secondderee murder or. manslaughter. Yeah, that was the Asian.

guy. You got three and a half years. Jesus that. All right. Aiding abetting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you kind of have you're a. cop. You kind of have a responsibility. to stop that. And then there's also the. level of fentinel. We've discussed this, right? Because people keep saying that. he died of a fentinyl overdose. But I. don't believe the level of fentanyl in. his body was enough to give him an. overdose for the you know you know what. how LD50 weight uh rates work. You know. how that works? No. I I lethal dose for.

50% of the population. That's how they. determine whether or not. So the problem. is you know you get a 100 people give. them all the same amount of stuff 50 of. them are going to die 50 of them are. going to live. So that's how you find. what the LD50 of a drug is. So when you. have something like fentinel, this is a. guy's a like a ineterate fentinel user, you know, he probably has a very high. tolerance to opiates, you know, and I. don't and he's huge. He's a big dude. He's a big dude. He was obviously dying. from drug abuse. He had an enlarged. heart. He he was [ __ ] up, you know,

and the the levels though when they were. like at the threshold. uh not the. official autopsy, but this is the doctor. that did one of them, I think. And he. said here, I don't know if you can read. that, but yeah, nanog uh fentinyl at 11. nanogs deciliter. This is the this is. higher than chronic pain patient. If he. were found dead at home alone and no. other apparent causes, this could be. accepted. Uh call on overdose. Deaths.

have been certified. I don't know what. that says. See what that is level of. three. So level of three. He was at 11. So deaths have been certified at a level. of three um nanogs per deciliter. He was. at 11 nanogs per deciliter. Uh I am not. saying this killed him. Fentinyl. metabolite 4. amp. I think this is. non-commercial meta meth. Meth 19. Oh he.

had meth too. 19 nanogs per deciliter. Uh, this is relatively low. Relatively. low. But meth is bad for your heart. But. meth's bad for your heart. From video. I've seen, it appears like his knee is. on the side of the neck, not where the. structures are. That doesn't mean. anything. That's silly. That's a person. who's never been choked. You shut your. mouth. Shut your mouth, doctor. Let me. lean on your neck, [ __ ] Breathe deep.

Yeah. What are you talking about? That's. so crazy. That's That's not going to. crush his windpipe. Yeah. What are you. talking about? Yeah. No, that just seems. ridiculous. That's so stupid. He crushes. everything. If I got on your neck here, you're not doing nothing. There's none. of this is going to work. Look, when. you're when you have a big neck, you can. die from your tongue. You know that. People die of sleep apnnea. Like. football players, big old tongue. No, their tongue closes over the back of. their mouth because they they have so. much neck tissue that their air hole. gets smaller. Right now, I want you to.

imagine someone compressing that neck. tissue with 210 lbs of body weight all. positioned on their knee. Yeah. Yeah, bro. You could put someone to sleep that. way. Yeah. Like they'll die if you hold. on to it. They'll die. It's. indefensible. And uh it's crazy. And the. the And I think the country had kind of. like the appropriate reaction to it. But. then they they're trying to say that. cops can't use choke holds anymore. Well, that's crazy, too, cuz you should. be able to if you're a cop, you got to. be able to choke people. Like, if you.

get some wild meth [ __ ] dude and he's. attacking cops and he's got his shirt. off and [ __ ] swastic is on his chest. and you want to strangle that guy, put. him away, put him asleep, then you can. cuff him. You can do that, go to sleep. In fact, it might be the much safer way. to than like tasing someone and then. where they stiffen up and just fall. over. If he just choked George Floyd out. and then cuffed him, that would be way. better for everybody. Like a real simple. 5second rear naked choke. He goes to.

sleep temporarily. You cuff him. He. wakes up. None of the trauma to his. neck. None of that [ __ ] None of the. none of the four minutes, whatever it. was, seconds. No nationwide riots. No. nationwide riots. Maybe they would have. been for a different reason. But it's. just a jiu-jitsu move and then you cuff. them and you know, but man, being a cop. is the most [ __ ] thankless psychotic. job in this country. And every day they. pull up to cars and they worry that. they're going to get shot. Everybody's.

seen videos of cops. They pull up to. [ __ ] tinted windows and they get. blasted. Yeah, I just saw one today. There's so many of them. And it was it. was crazy. The one I saw today, too, was. one where like it there was almost no. tell. like it was they they they had. this stop and they were just like, "Hey, you know, buddy, is this your car?" And. he's like, "Yeah, yeah, it's my car.". And he seemed totally cool. And they're. just like, "Okay, license and. registration." He goes, "I actually. don't have my license on me." And he. goes, "You're driving without a license? All right, sir. I'm going to have to ask. you to step out." And then comes out, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, shooting. at him and shoots one of the cops. The.

other one gets behind the car, starts. shooting back. It's like, "Yeah." No, listen. I get that's got to be a crazy. thing to, you know, it's like um I. remember hearing a baseball player say. once that he was like uh he goes the. toughest thing about being like uh um in. the outfield is that like every if you. think about the game like every single. pitch you got to immediately like be. like oh is it coming to me and then it's. just like not not. not is you know like you got to like be. ready for that one time where like it is.

coming to you. And I I'd imagine there's. something like that with the cops. Every. routine traffic stop, you got to be a. little bit concerned about that. On the. other hand, that is the job and there. are expectations when you're, you know, if your salary is paid by the people's. taxes and like you the standard has to. be probably the same thing I think the. standard for fighting wars should be. The standard should just always be do. you absolutely have to do this? You. know, like if you don't have to like the.

Eric Gardner situation. Yes. Like, do. you have to do this? Okay, he's selling. Lucy's. Okay, there's got to be some I I. understand not to do that, right? And I. I understand like maybe there's like. human beings could get very creative, man. We could find I I understand you're. saying, okay, there's the guy in inside. the store, has to, you know, sell. cigarettes with the tax on them. He gets. to sell these Lucy cigarettes. It's. hurting this guy's business. And maybe. he's asked him to leave and he hasn't. We're talking about selling loose. cigarettes outside of a store. you just. don't need to bring this level of. violence, you know, to the to for this.

situation. And you know, it's one of the. things like um I know I I saw you were. talking about the other day um with the. Trump uh deportation stuff where there's. like this very it's a it's an. interesting moment that we're in right. now because you have if you remember in. Trump's first term, this was one of the. biggest kind of like um uh controversies. that he he lost a lot of public support. over was the kids in cages thing. And.

okay, now they, you know, turns out. they'd always put kids in. Yes. Yes. They were built under the Obama. administration. It was kind of [ __ ]. They took some pictures of a kid crying. that didn't wasn't even really about the. Trump deportations. Like, you know, the. media lies. That's what they do. But. there is something about, you know, like. in the uh in the civil rights movement, you know, Martin Luther King and those. guys, they picked Birmingham, Alabama. like they knew what they were doing and. they were they knew that they were going. to get this reaction and that then it.

could be on TV and they almost forced. the American people to watch these young. black men in suits and ties have fire. hoses and dogs sicked on them. And even. for the. 1960s American person who maybe harbored. like some significant degree of. prejudice, even for them just seeing. that was like, "Oh Jesus, like I can't. support that." You know what I mean? And. there is something with, you know, the.

the US has had just an insane. immigration policy really since 1965. Um, but I mean the Biden immigration, it. was the just like the most insane. policy. Joe Biden seems to me like his. at least part of his legacy is he moved. the country further right on immigration. than you could have imagined. Is that. super majorities of the American people. support mass deportations? But just like there's a difference.

between being a little bit racist. against black people and being able to. watch, you know, cops unleash German. shepherds on black dudes in suits and. ties. It's one thing to kind of believe. I think the people who are here. illegally got to go back. It's another. thing to like watch it unfold and see. what type of And I'll just say this like. on the theme of what I was saying like. earlier about the signal stuff. You. know, there were so many efforts to like. um sabotage Donald Trump's first. presidency in this moment. If you really. want to see mass deportations, which by.

the way we're not seeing, but if you. really want to see that, as most. Americans do, you finally won the. argument. You finally won the day. You've now got supermajorities of the. American people on your side and you've. elected a president that this is his. signature issue. The last thing you. would want to do is go round up 234 of. them with no due process and send them. to the most notorious brutal prison in. El Salvador and get some of them wrong. Like what the [ __ ] are you thinking? And. get some of them wrong. Yeah. And that.

that's And the thing is you're saying. there have been mass deportations. What. do you What do you mean by that? I mean. I mean in large numbers like there there. have been there have been deportations. they've already kind of slowed down, but. we have ten tens of millions of illegal. immigrants in the country, right? But. that that's not the what they're looking. for. What they're looking for is the. criminals. And here's the allegedly, right? This is what we're hoping. But. here's the problem that bothers me. Quotas. I had a friend who was a cop who. would tell me about quotas for speeding. tickets back when they weren't supposed. to tell people about that. They have.

quotas, right? And I said, "So, it's. basically like being a glorified revenue. collector." He's like, "Pretty much. pretty much is if I'm not writing. tickets, you know, it's it's going to. come down on me. Like, imagine a day. where everybody made a decision like for. the next 60 days collectively as a. country, no one's going to violate any. traffic laws. Everyone's going to stop. to a complete halt at every stop sign. No one's going to go a mile an hour. above the speed limit. What happens? What do these cops do if you have.

quotas? So, you're assuming that people. will always break the law forever. And. if they don't, do you adjust? Do you. fire the cops? Do you cut your budget? What do you do? Do you remember when. this happened in New York City? Uh it. was over a decade ago. there was a they. had this like unofficial official police. like slowdown where they were they were. upset about I can't remember the exact. story but it was the head of the police. union said that he was like we will only.

be um uh enforcing like violent crimes. and we're not doing any of this yes it. was over the stop and frisk controversy. and they were kind of like oh you guys. want to all call his race which already. I thought was so hilarious I used to. have a joke in my act about this many. years ago but where it was just like. that was the threat from cops was like, "We're only going to arrest violent. criminals." And you're like, "That's. probably what you should be doing to. begin with." Like, "What are we?" And so. then like all these and everything was. fine, by the way. There wasn't a rise in. in violent crime. It was just they just. stopped doing it. But revenue started.

collapsing and then they like whipped. the cops into getting back to it. Like. they were like threatened their pensions. and [ __ ] and they were like, "Yo, you. cannot do this. We you got to keep. policing for profit." Isn't that crazy? Policing for profit. It's crazy. It's. crazy that they write tickets. Like. tickets are kind of nuts, you know? It's. like you you have to give us money. because you went too fast. Well, I've. always because that's the incentive that. everybody everyone agrees it's going to. work. God, I got another ticket. [ __ ] I.

always thought like um you going to stop. speeding? No, I'm going to get a radar. detector. Yeah. Well, right. People find. a way. I always thought there was. something really unfair um that some. I've heard some progressives talk about. this, but it never seemed to like get. that much traction. But there is. something about like giving a ticket. that's like um you know what it just. seems so regressive in terms of like uh. like it's so much more punitive toward. poor people and working class people. than it is toward the and it's the same.

number for all of that. You know what I. mean? Like there's something. about I know this is the way the this is. the problem is that progressives that. will take that and go oh okay so that. means up it on the rich people. I was. like, "No, that's not what I'm saying.". But like, you know, you hand out a $75. ticket to to somebody who's making like. 400 bucks a week and you're like, "Jesus. Christ, dude." Like, that is devastating. to that person. Whereas, like, you hand. out a $75 ticket to like a rich person, it's kind of like, okay. Yeah. You know,

that's a reasonable punishment for that. I mean, you know, anyway, listen, I'm. not advocating we like I'm not a a. leftist. I don't care about equity, but. it is. No, that's not a good idea. But. it is a strange thing that there are. revenue collectors who are also peace. officers. Like it seems like that should. be a completely different thing. Yeah. It seems like cops shouldn't be pulling. people over because your [ __ ] tail. lights out. That seems silly. That seems. like a totally different proposition. Yep. Yeah. No, I The problem is they.

pull people over for doing stupid [ __ ]. and a large percent of them are carrying. drugs. A lot of them have [ __ ] bricks. in the back of their car. That's the. craziest thing about guys who are. trafficking drugs. They're trafficking. like [ __ ] 30 pounds of fentanyl and. they get pulled over for speed. For some. speed to EA or something like that. Oh, dude. They're coked up and they're. [ __ ] driving fast and they got a. trunk full of [ __ ] illegal guns and. cocaine and meth. And why aren't you. going so slow and cautious? Why aren't.

you using your blinker? You should be. listening to country music on your. radio. Dude, you got meth to get. somewhere. You should have a [ __ ] cat. diesel hat on. You should be be nice and. calm and slow. You're a regular guy just. going about your day. Well, by. definition, these people aren't making. the wisest decisions probably. Uh, and. you get to drive your [ __ ] car filled. with meth. You got to get a crazy day. It's not as easy as you'd think. You. really got to You can't And you can't. just put a Craigslist ad up or whatever. Like, I'm sure you got to go through. some sketchy channels to this Tom Hman.

guy sending everybody across the border. You can't even get the Mexicans to do it. anymore. Oh Jesus. I mean that guy is It. is funny where like he's I I get where. he's kind of like the guy you'd want if. you're like we're a hard we got to we. need a hard ass in here to do this. But. when you do start getting these concerns. about due process, I mean his response. it was in some interview where they were. asking him about due process for the. people he's deporting and he's like. um uh what's the girl where was it good. due process for Lake and Riley? For Lake.

and Riley. Where was the due process for. her? And you're like yeah but dude. that's not what due process means. Obviously, murder victims don't get due. process. That's why it's illegal to. murder somebody. And even by the way, in. that case, her killer got due process. and then got convicted of murder. You. know what I mean? Like that's the whole. point. And there's just again like I was. saying, it seems there's a few moves. that the Trump administration has has. made so far. And I don't know who is in. his ear and who has convinced him uh to. pursue this policy but like again if you.

wanted to pursue like mass deportations. which I understand I think there's a. strong case I mean look he's done a. great job of um stopping the flow which. was job number one and that was his best. line at his state of the union where it. was like the Democrats kept saying we. needed legislation to close the border. Turns out we just needed a new president. which is shockingly true. Like it is. unbelievable how it went from record. high border crossings under Biden to. record low border crossings over Donald. Trump. And I do think that so much of.

that is just that it's a real difficult. journey and if people feel like, oh, Trump's in there, obviously we're not. going to be allowed in. Then they just. won't go through it. I also do think. that Donald Trump is fundamentally. correct with his idea that like you. don't have a nation if you don't have. borders. like you can't listen the the. the idea at least I'm not saying this is. really how it works but the idea is that. we're a free country because we have. self-government and in other words the. American people get to decide how many. people we bring in here and how many we. don't um and that we it's at this point.

nobody actually knows the number for. sure but it is north of 30 million uh. illegal immigrants in the country but my. god if you wanted to wait to start. deporting people who are legal residents. who are not violent criminals because. they wrote a pro Palestinian op-ed. You're diving into the most contentious. issue and then picking one side of that. and then like this just seems like it. it's almost as if you're trying to to. poison the possibility to ever really.

have mass deportations. It just seems so. counterproductive by his own stated. goals. And well, there's so many layers. of it that are hard to unpack for the. average person. What's really hard to. unpack, especially for like tried and. trueue blue no matter who Democrats, is. this idea that they were bringing people. into this country, moving them into. swing states, getting them on social. security, giving them money and. incentives and all sorts of government. programs that would get them eventually.

to be voters. Yeah. And these voters. would vote for that party and you'd have. a unit party. So, in that sense, that. that's that's the big one that a lot of. people that are left-wing people have a. really hard time swallowing. They don't. believe that's true and they'll take it. Well, what about when Texas sent those. people up to New York? You know, the. governor of Texas sent people to New. York, right? But do you know that New. York's not a swing state? Yeah, he did. that. But why did he do that? He do that. as a big [ __ ] you to New York for not. turning for the government to turning a.

blind eye to the problem at the border. and saying, "Okay, you you think this. isn't a problem? I'm gonna send this. problem to you. You have a sanctuary. state. Yeah. You have a sanctuary city. Oh, that's cute. I'll send you thousands. and thousands of people that you're. gonna have to take care of now. And they. did. And then that's even weirder. because then they took over [ __ ]. luxury hotels and they had to deal with. it. I think was it Pakistan owns one of. those hotels? Oh, is that I didn't know. that. What who owns the the the big one. that was in um the [ __ ] Jennifer.

Lopez movie where she was a hot maid? remember that movie made in Manhattan? I. think I never saw it, but I vaguely. remember my family. It's the most. ridiculous thing. She's a 10 and she's. just like this poor little sad maid. Uh. Pakistan International Airlines has. owned the structure. Uh they own the. Roosevelt. So the Roosevelt is an iconic. hotel in New York City and they get paid. by the federal government or they did. get paid by the federal government to. house immigration immigrants there. And.

they give them food and they give them. money. They give them and like what are. you doing? Like if you're allowing these. people to vote in regional elections, okay, you've essentially now you've. you've bought regional elections and if. you want them to eventually become. United States citizens and give them a. pathway to citizenship, which all good. people would want, Dave Smith, okay, now. you have voters. And if you do that in. mass, which they did, they brought. people in this. They invited people, help people. The Red Cross was like. giving them maps like this is how you do. it. They had stops along the way. You. give them water and walk right through.

and everybody just gets to be on a bus. and you get shipped off to swing states. That literally happened and people on. the left do not want to address it. They. want to deny it. It was an attempt to. take over. Yeah. And look, I'll say I. just I know this cuz I'm like, you know, this is I guess the one of the benefits. of like getting older and paying. attention to this [ __ ] is like I can. remember [ __ ] from 15, 20 years ago. Like I was paying attention then and I. remember all of them admitting this was.

their plan. Yeah, like literally all of. Joy Reed and Rachel Maddo and all they. used to call it the browning of America. and they used to openly brag about how. the Democrat will have super permanent. majorities forever because look like hey. you old dying white Republicans like. sorry that's it for you cuz the Latinos. vote overwhelmingly for Democrat and. we're going to be a majority minority. country and then a majority Hispanic. country and then the Democrats rule the. day forever. So this is just, you know,

Mitt Romney or whoever is running for. president right now, this is the dying. throws of the end of a but then when. people started objecting to that policy. and they they called it the Browning of. America and then when people objected to. it, they would call it the great. replacement or whatever and then they'd. go, "You're not allowed to say that. That means you're a Nazi." And you're. like, "But I just heard you saying it. like five years ago. I heard you saying. it. Can't use the term replacement.". Yeah. It was and so there was this weird. and then there was also the uh one of. the other big tells of this was the way.

they attempted which really failed but. the way they attempted to make voter ID. like a toxic racist policy which was so. I mean the logic of it just collapses on. itself because if it's first of all it. seems like some bigotry of low. expectations to imply that black people. are like just can't figure out how to. get ID. Do you remember Kathy Hochel. saying that they don't know what. computers are? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Do you remember that. video? That is the craziest. I think you.

sent every [ __ ] human being has a. computer in their pocket. Dude, what was. the the black dude who made that video? It was the funniest goddamn I think you. sent it to me, but he was like there was. like a computer and he comes in like. dancing around it and he was like trying. to like trying to bite it and stuff too. It was so goddamn funny where you're. like that's literally what you're. saying. Like I don't know. And it's like. spliced like on the left side of it is. her explaining that black people don't. black inner city kids they don't know. what a computer is. Well, but then I. mean like just you know just like using. the most basic logic you'd be like okay.

wait a minute but like so if requiring. ID is racist then like we got some other. really big problems in this country that. we should be looking at like well not. only that but it's in the direct memory. the recent memory of everybody needing. ID because you had to prove that you got. the COVID vaccine. Right. Right. Yeah. which then and then that was fine. Somehow that and when that by the way. disproportionately affected minorities. No one seemed no progressives seemed to. care about that. That it was. overwhelmingly black people wildly. disproportionately black people and.

immigrants who just refused the vaccine. By the way, let the record show they. were smarter than everybody else for. doing it. You know who else? Me and you. PhDs. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that is. an interesting detail, isn't it? Overwhelmingly overwhelmingly skeptical. about this new vaccine. And here me and. you got called out by Anthony Fouchy and. Joe Biden for [ __ ] being right, for. being absolutely right. I It's so wild. too that that was only um three years. ago or four years ago when you said that.

your advice to young people was to just. be really healthy and that was like a. national controversy that you just like. it's I mean you just think about how. upside down it was also people doing the. man's job for the man. It was everybody. piled on like everybody. And especially. once you got the shot yourself, you're. like, I did the right thing because you. knew it was risky. You [ __ ] know some. level, too. Absolutely. It's medication. Anytime you get medication, you know. it's risky. Anytime you get some. pharmaceutical drug in your system, not.

to mention some completely novel new way. where it turns your entire body into a. vaccine or an immunity. producing spike protein factory. The mo. it by the way which is the most toxic. aspect of getting the disease is the. spike protein. So your body's gonna. produce it itself. what PhDs were like I. don't know and it was also way past way. way way past the point where we had.

already figured out that like if you. weren't very old and very sick this was. you statistically had almost no chance. of like a serious more importantly we. had very long ago realized it wasn't a. threat at all to kids so there was no. justification whatsoever to force kids. to get vaccinated and yet we did it and. California did it They did it to. schools. They did it everywhere. And the. fact that they pulled that off and then. a couple years later they're like, "You. don't need ID to vote." Yeah. Why you.

need ID to vote? That's racist. In. California, you're not allowed to show. ID. You're not allowed to show ID. So, like, come on. I mean, listen. Obviously, this. is and like there's a reason for all of. this. It's not. They didn't just pick. showing your ID voting and decide to. make this the issue that they harped on. and tried to pretend you were somehow. racist or you were somehow infringing on. voting rights by requiring an ID. And. so, look, like there this did a couple.

things happened. Number one, it totally. turned public opinion against this this. level of of crazy immigration. And. number two, I mean, Donald Trump ended. up winning a bigger percentage of the. Latino vote than I believe any. Republican in my life, which is really I. mean, especially after Tony Encliffe, that's pretty wild. I think Tony. Encliff, he might have gotten him more. votes, it seemed like. Well, listen, nobody takes a joke better than Puerto. Ricans, by the way. is by the way there.

is something really funny about that. where um and this has been a theme for. for years in the country but really Tony. was a great example of it but where like. you know for all their talk about. diversity and anti-racism and all of. this what they always seem to do is try. to impose white lady values on. minorities you know what I mean like. just. imagine you know that's a great way to. put white lady. It's always white lady.

values. It's always You know who's. really offended by a joke? Well, as as. we both know, Joe, as professional. comedians for many years, you know, black people just get very offended by. jokes. No, they [ __ ] don't. That's. white women. That's white women's [ __ ]. That's not Latinos or African-Americans. They are They're the ones who take a. joke the best. Especially a good joke. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But also like the the. more offensive the better. Like they. love that [ __ ] by and large. Like. there's exceptions. Well, there's. exceptions for sure, but Puerto Ricans. are known like if you grow up around.

Puerto Ricans, they're fun and they talk. a lot of [ __ ] It's part of the culture. Yep. So, it's like you're trying to, you. know, there's something about it that. was always like, it's always the liberal. push for um diversity is always like we. want different shades of people in our. culture, you know what I mean? Like it. was never like there was never a thing. where it's like, "Oh, we're going to go. into the hood and we're going to adopt. your culture." Like that's not what. we're talking about. Which is why they.

hate black Republicans. Yep. That's a. big a big part of it. That's a problem. They they go after black Republicans so. hard. Even harder, I think, than they go. after a lot of white Republicans. Oh, in. some cases much more viciously. Yeah. I. mean, and and I think by, you know, we. talked about Candace Owens before. That's part of what her freaking, you. know, boot camp before pissing off all. the Israeli supporters was is that she's. already been through the fire. She's. been an outspoken black female. conservative. And that's like they.

really hate that because they do kind of. view you as like which is [ __ ] up in a. way but it really is kind of like you're. they decided that they're the champion. of women and black people and therefore. if you're a black woman it's your. responsibility to support these liberal. white women. and she used to that's the. thing about right she went from she went. from being she was very young she was. liberal and then she was also a hardcore. Zionist uh at one point like very big. supporter of Israel and then changed her.

mind on that um but it is you know there. there is a a viciousness which with. which those people get attacked. I do. think and I still I think I said this. the last time we were on uh the last. time I was on, but I still do think that. in many ways that's the best part of. Donald Trump winning again is just the. cultural phenomenon of it where it does. seem like there's been a big rejection. of all of that [ __ ] You know, I um I. had uh I had dinner with uh with uh. Daryl last night um with Daryl Daryl.

Cooper and uh with Daryl Cooper and. Scott Horton and we were talking a. little bit about this, but like what. happened? First of all, I let the record. show uh for both good and bad. I was. promoting Daryl Cooper before everybody. else was. I was the first guy, not maybe. not the first, but I was like, "Yo, this. guy's podcast is amazing." And it really. really is. But there was something so. interesting about like his Tucker. appearance, the backlash against it, the. fact that it did absolutely nothing to. harm him and his podcast just shot up on.

all the charts and now more people than. ever are listening to his stuff. Like. there there is like and I do I've seen a. lot of this and I've gotten into some. arguments with some like Constantin. Cassin. I've argued with him about this. I respect him very much. I like him a. lot. I think he's very smart. But there. are like there there are these woke. tactics now that are being used by many. people uh who have been opposing wokeism. for a very long time. And I think it's. interesting how much people have woken. up to that. No pun intended, but how.

much people like kind of recognize that. now and that stuff has just been. rejected. And even like on the most. basic level, the thing, first of all, the fact that there was such an outrage. for what Daryl Cooper said on Tucker. Carlson's podcast already proves the. point. It already proves the point that. you're like, "Yo, this is insane. This. is insane that this like you're not even. you can't even like have a conversation. about these things without this massive. pile on this." Not only that, these. poratives that get stuck on him that got.

stuck on me for platforming him. I read. Joe Rogan had a Nazi apologist and. Holocaust denier. Well, or skeptic. I think they said. Holocaust skeptic. I forget what what. term they use. But none of those things. are true. And none of them I I mean he's. got this big I I'm very excited uh for. it, but he's he's putting together this. big uh piece on World War II. And like. none of them are going to come back and. go, "Oh yeah, I got it wrong. I. apologize." He's totally not doing that. at all. If they were, they would have. listened to fear and loathing in the New.

Jerusalem. Well, I said this, dude. I. said this to Constantin when we were. arguing about it on Twitter. And I go, "Listen, dude." I go, "Listen, just take. I I called it my non-woke challenge." I. go, "Take my non-woke challenge, okay? All it takes is an hour of your time. Listen to the first 30 minutes of Fear. and Loathing in the New Jerusalem." And. then listen to the 30 minutes in the uh. like uh he he put out another piece. after it. Um I forget the title of it, but it took from the history where Fear. and Loathing left off up to like the. 80s. And there was a um in it started.

like around or maybe it was part of fear. and loathing. But anyway, he had a half. hour chunk that was on the Jews. suffering in World War II. And I was. like, "So listen to these two half hours. and you tell me if it is conceivably. possible that a Jewhating Nazi. sympathizer could have ever put this out. cuz it's impossible." Like it can't. And. he goes, "I have listened to it." And I. was like, "Oh, well then we can't talk. anymore, Matt." I mean, not in general, but I was like, "We can't talk about. this anymore." But I I think there's. something almost more simple that was. like, "Look, if you listen to what Daryl.

said on Tucker's podcast, he essentially. goes he goes, you know, I say this. sometimes to get a rise out of my buddy, uh, who's like an Anglo-Saxon, and I'm. kind of being hyperbolic when I say it, but I I kind of say it to prod, but in. some ways, I think Churchill was the. real villain of the war. Now, he didn't. commit the most atrocities. I'm not. saying he was the worst person there, but I think he's primarily responsible. for this not being maybe like a little. conflict in Poland and turning into like. the big blood bath that it did. Okay, say whatever you will about that. There's a fair argument to be there. I.

tend to think Daryl's right, but maybe. I'm maybe he's not. Um, but every single. person who repeated that would go, he. said Churchill was the was the real. villain. And you're like, you know what, dude? We're not doing that anymore. like. we're just we're not very fine people on. both sides in this whole thing. Like. come on, dude. No, that's not what he. [ __ ] said. And you could take out all. that other cond but any honest person. looking at that just goes like no that's. not what he said. And you know in and I. was on Pierce Morgan show one more shout.

out to Pierce but but even when he. played the clip he cut out all that. context and just played the part where. he says the real villain or was was. Churchill. And you're like, I think. people have after so many years of this. being the constant tactic to like like. it's like there's a there's a giant. rejection of that and I think that's. really good. And I think a lot of that. has to do with Trump winning again. I. mean, there's other factors involved, too. But I do just think it's like these. woke tactics of like where you call. everyone who disagrees with you a racist.

or a bigot or this is just not like. we're not playing that game anymore. or. at least it seems like most people. aren't playing that game anymore. Yeah, it's not going to work anymore. And the. people that are that have their minds. made up that have just knee-jerk. reaction are going to decide someone's a. Nazi or someone's a Hitler apologist, they're not looking into it at all. anyway. They they have this cursory. examination of the headline. Good. enough. I'm going to run with it and I'm. going to argue with it. There's always. going to be people like that, but the.

majority of people are like, "What is. this all about? What did he actually. say?" Well, let me listen to his show. And then his show shoots up to number. one, you know, and it shot up to number. one again after he was on my podcast. The same kind of thing. It's like, it's. a [ __ ] great show. It's a great show. And it's not just great about Israel. It's not just great about World War II. His [ __ ] thing on Jim Jones is. insane. So good. It's so good. It's so. insane. And he does that with. everything. And he has empathy and. compassion and and and a a a general.

like a general desire to empathize and. see how someone could join this cult. How Jim Jones can turn from this guy who. was a civil rights leader. Yeah. He was. a civil rights leader in the 1950s. I. mean, this guy was living in a time. where he had adopted a black child and. was persecuted all throughout town. because of it and was genuinely like a. real Christian. Then he's hopped up on. meth. He's out of his [ __ ] mind. Now.

he's in Guayana and he's got a whole. group of people with him. He talks them. all into killing themselves. And the. ones who don't, they he kills them. And. yeah, it's a crazy tragedy. But what. Daryl Cooper does is. longform. editorial. Like you got you have to look. at it from an editorial aspect because. it's a it's opinion but it's also. information that he he's citing his. sources and he's ex like put yourself in. these people's shoes which is what he.

does which is essentially his only like. demand. It's through all of his work. His only demand is like, listen, you. have to, if you're going to listen to my. work, you have to do your absolute best. to put yourself in these shoes and then. put yourself in the other side's shoes. Fear and loathing in New Jerusalem. starts out with Jews being persecuted. Imagine these people are your neighbors. And he he brings you through this. horrific scenario that absolutely did. happen to some of the people there. And. you don't it's it's cool the way he I. mean, I don't spoiler alert or whatever.

It's just the beginning, but it's so. good. But like you almost don't know. what he's talking about at first. You're. like, is this a Palestinian getting. [ __ ] over? Is this because the story. is about, you know, going in this is. going to be about the creation of the. state of Israel or whatever. But then. you realize like, oh no, this is a Jew. in Eastern Europe going through a. pagrum. And I will say this, right, as. somebody who um is uh fairly well read. on the subject compared to like the. layman, not compared to Daryl Cooper, there's levels to this [ __ ] It's like I. used to think Rich Franklin was the best.

striker in the world and then Anderson. Silva fought him and you were like, "Oh, okay. He is not." Um, by the way, Rich. Franklin was great, but Anderson Silva. was amazing. Uh, but listening to that. series, it it made me much more. sympathetic to the Israelis, if I'm. being honest, and I know I've heard that. from other people, too. But it does. because Daryl insists on doing that. Like, look, it's real. It's easy. Now, I'm not saying I'm not saying this is an. excuse for anything. Like, the the Nagba. in 1947, 1948 is horrible. a giant. ethnic cleansing campaign, you know.

Okay, but if you do put this into. context, you know, like the year's. 1947, okay, first of all, just think. about like even the. attitudes of 1947 that you know of like, you know, just in terms of racism and. things like that, like very different. attitudes in 1947. Also, you're two. years removed from the end of World War. II where the quote good guys in the.

story are or the winners in the story. are like like Truman who just firebombed. Tokyo, dropped two nukes on Hiroshima. and Nagasagi, the bombing of Dresden, the bombing of Berlin. Joseph Stalin is. in the process as this is happening as. this is happening of ethnically. cleansing millions of of ethnic Germans. all throughout Eastern Europe. This is. only a couple years after Stalin's army. raped their way through Europe. You know. what I mean? And then of course there's. the atrocities of the Nazis and you're.

the Jewish people who just went through. this holocaust and all of this is in the. background and you're going to say. you're telling me we can't move a few. hundred thousand people off their land. to create our new state? like who's. going to [ __ ] morally lecture us. about doing this little thing here, you. know? And like I'm not saying any of. that excuses it and it wasn't the. Palestinians fault that any of that. happened. And so like you but like it is. worthwhile. Like that's what doing. history should be, right? It should be. like understanding that these were real. human beings. These aren't cartoon. monsters there. there was a now they may. have done monstrous [ __ ] but like there.

was something you know going on there. and there was kind of like you know it. it's I think it's just beneficial to. understand all of that stuff and you. know Manakim Bean who is like the worst. I mean like was a straightup terrorist I. mean and and in that series if you. remember he he talks a lot about like. how the evil [ __ ] that Monakam began and. the Urggon and the Stern gang and the. Hagen the [ __ ] they did and they were. just straight up terrorists. That's what.

they were doing. Terrorism in order to. drive out an occupying force. You can't. make this [ __ ] up. Is what led to the. creation of Israel. And now they're. like, you know, universally regarded as. terrorist groups. Oh, self- admitted. terrorist groups. Like we're committing. acts of terrorism. There were debates. about whether we should embrace. terrorism or not. And the side saying we. should embrace terrorism won the day. This is how Heim Whitesman, he was. supposed to be the David Bengorian. He. was the number one ranked uh Zionist at. the time and he stood up and was like,

"Yo, we can't do this. We can't embrace. terrorism." Like his thing was like, "We. can't achieve a Jewish state by unJewish. means." And which he considered. terrorism to be like, "This violates our. religion. We can't do this." Um, but. even him, there was this one point which. I had never heard before, but I learned. it from Daryl Cooper's series. I think. it was probably the one of the things. that stuck with me the most was that, um, if you remember, it's right toward. the end. Uh it's when they're they're. doing that, you know, they're doing the. King David Hotel bombing and they're.

doing all this terrorism to try to drive. the drive the British out. And at one. point the British like caught a few of. the I can't remember if it was uh um. from the Urggon or the Lehi, but it was. from one of those two militias. And they. caught a few of their guys and they like. publicly fgged them or something like. that. And then Manakim Bean and his. terrorist boys, they got a few um of. like the the British soldiers and they. [ __ ] flogged the [ __ ] out of them and. then killed them and then booby trapped. the bodies so that it [ __ ] blew up. more people when they came to try to get.

it back. And then now he's a wanted man. at this time, Manakaman. So he's like. living underground. And so he then he. did like a radio address and in his. radio address he was like uh he said. something like he was like hey just so. you know Jews don't get flogged anymore. We do the flogging now. And look this. guy was a bad guy. He was a [ __ ]. terrorist. But there is something so. badass about that that there is a part. of you that's just like like you you can. kind of understand a people going.

through this [ __ ] collective struggle. and then getting to a point where. they're like we will be the ones. inflicting struggle from now on, not the. ones receiving it. And I, you know, look, I still come out on the side that. I think Israel's treatment of the. Palestinians is is horrible and. inexcusable, and I favor a two-state. solution. I think America should stop. funding Israel, but I think it's nothing. but beneficial to kind of like. understand that perspective a little bit. more. And even though I kind of grew up. on the pro-Israel propaganda and then. ultimately rejected it, that was Daryl's.

effect on me was being like, ah, you. know, there is like I'm seeing the. humanity in the Israeli side a little. bit more. So, give me a [ __ ] break. about these people saying like he's some. [ __ ] neo-Nazi drumming up Jew hatred. It's just not true. Yeah, they just they. just have established boundaries of what. you're allowed to talk about. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. And there's. there's, you know, there's narratives. that can't be breached. You have to you. have to follow it to a tea and that's. it. That's it. And anything else, you're.

uh anti-semite. And he know he's labeled. all over the place. I'm sure his. Wikipedia calls him that. I'm sure I. mean it's just it's there's so many. people that have really. irresponsibly done that. and defamed him. and it's it's [ __ ] up, but ultimately. it doesn't work. It just makes him. bigger. I I 100% agree. And then I also. think that it's um it's almost like it's. very obvious, I think, if you're looking. at it with clear eyes that it's like. look like, okay, look, look, I'm Jewish.

and I don't wish to see a rise in people. hating Jewish people. Like that. obviously I'd be opposed to that. But. you're gonna you're if you're gonna say. that anybody who criticizes the. government of Israel or anybody who. criticizes the Israeli lobby and the um. unbelievable influence that that has. over the our our government and you're. going to label all of them as. anti-semites. like, all right, I I would. think that it would be wiser to at least.

be thankful that there are people who. are not Jew haters who are pointing this. out rather than just leaving it to all. the Jew haters to be the only ones who. are are pointing this out. Like, you. know, it's like, you think Daryl Cooper. is like, okay, like what's your goal. here to shut him down? Who do you. think's going to replace him? You better. hope that they're going to be as. thoughtful and responsible as he is. Um, and they probably won't be. Not too many. people are, but that's how it always is, right? I mean, this is this is the the. problem with suppression. The problem I.

mean, it's it's essentially a version of. the same problem of creating terrorists. You attack because you think you're. going to stop the terrorism, you just. create more terrorism. You know, you. think you're going to stop people from. expanding the narrative and and talking. outside of these borders that you've. clearly established for how people are. able to discuss certain sensitive. topics. No, you're not. you're not going. to do that. You're just going to make. people realize that there's a third. rail. And they don't understand why. there's a third rail. Then they start. looking into it and they go, "Oh, how.

much influence does Israel have on our. country?" And then they start asking. those kind of questions. And and this. gives way to the rise of anti-semitism. I think suppression of people's ability. to talk about very polarizing topics. like Gaza, suppression of that is a. cause of anti-semitism because people. stop start thinking like is there some. sort of grand plan to control us and. keep me from being able to talk about. something that clearly is in the news. every day? It seems like a big issue.

Yeah. Well, there's also um you know. like to the thing literally this is my. origin story of being the guy that I am. now being obsessed with all this stuff. um was seeing Ron Paul vers Rudy. Giuliani in 2007 at the Republican. primary debate and Rudy Giuliani is. arguing about how the terrorists hate us. for our freedom and then Ron Paul who. I'd never heard of just like this. country doctor from Texas with an R next. to his name starts going like you They.

don't hate us for our freedom. They hate. us cuz we're over there. Like, how would. we feel if somebody else was doing to us. what we're doing to them? And then Rudy. Giuliani is like, "Yeah, that's a pretty. absurd explanation that the reason they. did 9/11 is cuz we were bombing Iraq.". And he goes, "I've heard a lot of absurd. explanations for 9/11." And I've never. heard anything that ridiculous, which by. the way was in Osama bin Laden's. declaration of war on America. So, like. to be like, I've never heard of this is. not quite the brag or flex that you.

think it is. And then Ron Paul just. [ __ ] schooled him. I was like, you. know, he was like, you know who came up. with the term blowback? The CIA. Because. it's a real thing. There is blowback. And if we think we can go around the. world and do whatever we want to people, and that's not going to incite hatred, we do that at our own peril. Like, let's. be hon. But for whatever reason, for me, it was always kind of just easy to. connect that. Like I I remember uh you. remember um there was the scene in. Goodwill Hunting where uh like at the.

end when he breaks him and he's like. it's not your fault. It's not your. fault. And he starts crying, but there. he finally gets him to start talking. about the abuse he went through in his. childhood. And Matt Damon's character is. is talking about it and he's like uh. he's like, "Oh, he used to lay like a a. stick, a belt, and a wrench on the table. and tell me to pick." And uh and Robin. Williams was like, "I'd have to go with. the stick on that one." And he goes, "I. used to pick the wrench." And he was. like, "Why would you pick the wrench?". And he goes, "Cuz [ __ ] him, that's why.". And like, okay, there's something about.

that that I was always very easy for me. to understand. Like, you just get to a. point where it's like, "Yeah, cuz [ __ ]. you." It's like why would why would some. Palestinian who's let's say there's. there's an Israeli who kicks him out of. his house that his grandfather built. that his family has been living in for a. hundred years and now that Israeli guy. is living in his house and you're. watching from like a refugee camp this. guy live in your house and as Daryl says. in the series he goes now you have no. means by which to give that house back.

to your grandmother but you could burn. that house to the [ __ ] ground and. like it's easy to look at and go but why. would you do that that's irrational. It's like, no, not really. It's really. not cuz it's picking the wrench. It's. going cuz [ __ ] you. You know what I. mean? And there like all of these. things. It there's always like. reactionary movements and like so again. like this it's say okay yes you're going. to sit here and for [ __ ] 15 years. tell young white men that they're toxic. and they're the problem and their.

masculinity is inherently wrong. What do. you think's going to come out of that? And then like the same people are like. where did this Andrew Tate guy pop up. from? And you're like, "You made him. You made him. If you wanted to make him, you couldn't have done a better job.". Look, that's the whole [ __ ] story of. the Nazis to begin with that we impose. the Treaty of Versailles and insisted on. internationally humiliating these people. and crushing them and then [ __ ] Where. did these Nazis come from? It has a. reaction to that obviously. Yeah. And we never learn. That's what's. [ __ ] Do you think we're going to.

learn more now? I mean, you have to. realize if you're thinking about. history, this is the first time where. people have this kind of access to all. the different layers that are in. operation all over the world. And if. you're paying attention, and most people. aren't, but if you're paying attention, you have a much broader understanding of. all the things that are at play than. ever before and how these things could. be avoided. And I think that's one of. the reasons why people were excited.

about Trump getting into office when he. was saying, "I can stop that war in one. day. I can we can make deals. There's. deals that can be made. You know, we can. we stop all the killing. Stop.". Everybody was like, "Yeah, finally. someone is not going to do it the way. we've done it before." I think there's. I'm uh I'm incredibly like um. optimistic on a long like time period. I. I think that like exactly what you just. said. I mean, it's it's the the. propaganda apparatus has been completely.

destroyed. Like it's just not, you know, there's and there's been this I I really. do think um a massive awakening. There's. there's several factors to this. I think. CO is the biggest single one. You know, I think that there was there was. something. about imposing such draconian measures. on the domestic population. Like look, we start a lot of wars over [ __ ]. but the the truth is for most Americans. that's kind of over there somewhere and.

we're living our lives and you know, like you might be against it, but it's a. different thing than like instituting. totalitarianism in the United States of. America, which lockdowns were. objectively. And they did it. Not only, it's not just that they got it all. wrong. It's that it was, you know, they. were [ __ ] lying. Like you. [ __ ] made the thing and you. knew you did. And then you covered it. up. Like there is even now this is like. everywhere. It's like the [ __ ] that we. used to talk about a few years ago that. was like the controversial, you know, conversations. Everyone's talking about.

him now. It was just Bill Maher the. other day brought up that like you know. how crazy is it that we figured out that. British intelligence in March of 2020. said that I forget what it was but they. said with 85% certainty this came from. the lab you know and then so they did. all of this and they got it completely. wrong and they were so full of [ __ ] that. that's kind of that spell's been broken. people see this now I do think you're. right that there was like um a. tremendous um look you know as Ron Paul.

used to always say the peace candidate. always wins. I mean like if you in the. year 2000 George W. Bush uh he he. campaigned on a humble foreign policy, no nation building, no using our police, not being the policeman of the world. with our military. It's people remember. that's what he ran and won on. Barely. won, but still he won on that. Um and. then in 2004, you know, John Kerry. refused to run against the war and. that's why he wasn't able to win. And. then in 2008, Barack Obama ran on a. peace campaign. you know, destroyed. Hillary Clinton in the primary who had.

all the institutional money, all the big. support behind her, but she had voted. for the war in Iraq. And Obama said, "Hey, that was a big mistake. She you. can't give her the presidency when she. made such a big mistake." People went, "You know what? That's right." You know, and even though he wasn't in the Senate. yet when the war in Iraq was going on, he had he didn't vote for the thing and. he said some beautiful things about. closing Gitmo and ending torture and not. fighting stupid wars and and he won like. a dominant victory. And then in 2016, Donald Trump ran and won on we're going.

to stop fighting these stupid. And then. in 2024 again, he wins on this me like. the American people have spoken. Now. that's a very different thing than the. regime machinery itself. So that's a. different, you know, battle, but the. public the battle of public opinion on. that has been won. And then I do think. even though uh Jamie told us before the. show started that there's now they're. saying Elon Musk is uh going to be. stepping away from Doge soon and and yes. it's true that Doge didn't actually get. any drastic cuts through but it is.

amazing what they have done in terms of. like bringing to the cultural forefront. the issue of how corrupt government is. And so anyway, the my long-term thing is. that I think I I think corrupt regimes, which unfortunately we live under one, I. think they are completely dependent on. propaganda. And that propaganda just. broke, you know, like it we're just. getting out of that now. And I think. there's there's like amazing. possibilities, dude. I I mean, three.

years ago, four years ago, I couldn't. have imagined we'd be here now. Like I. just couldn't imagine that. Like the. COVID restrictions have been completely. defeated. wokeism seems to have been. like pretty much defeated, you know, like this is already just incredible. Yeah, it's incredible. It's interesting. and there's a lot of possibilities. It. could go a bunch of different ways. And. there's also examples of it going. sideways like what's happening in the UK. and what's happening in other parts of. Europe where the total totalitarian. measures are ramping up and they didn't.

win the war on woke. In fact, they lost. that war. True. They lost that war. And. I think that's a a shining example of. the difference between what we tolerate. in America. Having the first amendment, having that freedom of speech, and then. also having the second amendment, the. ability to back that up that, you know, people, oh, you're going to use your I. mean, remember even Biden was talking. about that you're going you're going to. you're going to fight a a a [ __ ] jet. with your your rifles. Like that's. ridiculous. Like no, but guess what? You.

can't just do what they did in Australia. and ship people off to camps in America. Yeah. Try that [ __ ] in Georgia. Well, it's so stupid, too, because number one, um, the Taliban just did that to you, sir. Like, literally, you just pulled. out in disgrace of a war that you. couldn't win against a bunch of. illiterate goat herders with rifles. So, not only that, we left behind billions. of dollars of weapons. They got a lot. more rifles now. and they go on parades. with them where they're driving tanks. down the street and flying over [ __ ]. Blackhawks. But the but of course the.

point is that well yes if if the US. military decided to nuke its own, you. know, population. Yes, you're right. Our. guns wouldn't do any good. But the point. is that that's not what they're trying. to do. They're trying to rule us. And. like yeah, of course having guns like I. look I don't know, by the way. Let's say. like the the Jews in in Nazi Germany had. had been wellarmed, would that have been. enough to stop the Holocaust? Or like if. the Ukrainians had been wellarmed, would.

that have been enough to stop the. genocide that Stalin inflicted on them. or whatever? But I'd be better they are. than not. Like I don't know. Like yeah, it it might at least give them a a. second to go like, well, we can't go, you know? And the truth is like if you. were to try just think the the state. that we're in right now, it's like what? Let's say they were just like tomorrow. some leader was like we're rounding up. all the guns in Texas. Like no, you're. [ __ ] not. Good luck. You'll have a. civil war on your hands. Like these.

people are not giving up their guns. voluntarily. And the thing about people. who won't give up their guns voluntarily. is if you try to force them to it, they. have guns. Especially if they think. you're going to shoot them. Yeah. If. you're coming with guns, they have guns. Now you have a fight. Yeah, that's. right. And that's terrifying. And then. you're also you're paying someone to go. do that. That's a regular person. Like. this is the thing about people in the. army or in the police. These are just. regular folks who tend to lean rightwing. and tend to like guns and and the Second. Amendment who may not be so keen on, you. know, taking away the Second Amendment.

No. And they'll understand that this is. a totalitarian measure and that what's. going to happen is it's going to be the. collapse of what we understand of as. America. We we just America is we think. of America in terms of our ability to. express ourselves first and our ability. to defend ourselves. Yeah. No, that's. why it's number one and number two. And. it's not to say that this is the entire. reason because obviously things like. there's many different variables and. factors and there it's a complicated. history but the a huge part of the. reason why America is the most.

prosperous most successful country and. and has largely been the freest country. in the history of the world is because. of that. Because the first thing we. enshrined in our bill of rights was like. listen man the government is and that's. and it's not you know it's it's not what. the people are allowed to do is what the. government is not allowed to do to the. people. Congress shall write no law. period you know like this is like um. it's the fact that this is the only. country in the history of the world that. was started on that premise and then has.

gone on to be the most dominantly. successful country in the history of the. world is not a coincidence. No, it's. not. This is This is freedom's last. battleground. Yeah. Yeah. And we're in. the middle of it right now. We're in the. middle of it in a weird transitionary. time where things are being exposed at a. level that have never been exposed. before. And people have an understanding. of how corrupt this system is at a way. they've never been able to fully. comprehend before. You you you know, you. have an uncle that tells you, you know,

what they do is the CIA sends people. Uncle's crazy. That guy's out of his. [ __ ] mind. Then Mike Benz explains it. to you and shows you charts and graphs. and brings up articles and has. classified documents that have been. released and he's showing you those like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean his stuff. and I mean look like the the Jeffrey. Epstein stuff. I mean, it's just like. again in every in every category that. you could imagine just what's happening. with the American Heart Association. trying to get people to be able to buy.

sugary drinks and and crap food with. food stamps and then you realize, oh. wait, look, these companies like. Coca-Cola and Pepsi have actually. donated to the American Heart. Association. Yeah. And evidently some uh. some Twitter influencers, too. Oh, yeah. a bunch that have all um taken in that. big Pepsi money and then they're going. it is an assault on liberty to tell. people they cannot buy Pepsi. So many. people that have prominent ex accounts.

and prominent I'm sure other social. media platforms as well. They all said. the same thing and they're probably. being paid because a bunch of people. were being paid to support Kla Harris. and there was a bunch of people that. exposed that. They showed the the emails. that they got. we were invited to do. this and you would get paid like a. considerable amount of money to make. some sort of a statement saying that you. would vote for that person. And I guess. they said, well, if you have 500,000. followers here and a million followers. there, and you add all those up and you.

give this guy 25 grand, this guy. 50 11 million. Yeah. By the way, I hear. constantly people uh when they attack me. on Twitter that I'm getting Russian. money or Qatari money. I've never got a. goddamn check from any of them. Like, get guys, give me the money. I'm already. saying the thing, I think. So, like, hey, why not? At this point, I'm just. kidding. I don't want your money. Well, I get it all the time. People think that. someone's guiding this show, and then I. have someone who tells me what to talk. about. Like, I would have never had Kurt. Mezer on yesterday if that's the case.

That's when you know no one's guiding. anything. When Kurt Mezer, Kurt, who I. love about everybody, he was screaming. about Elon. He was screaming about. everybody. I love Kurt Mezer dearly. I've known him for over 20 years. He's. one of the most brilliant comedic minds. in the world. But let's be real, nobody, if anyone was guiding anyone with a. show, they would never allow Kurt Mezer. to be on that show. He is Anytime he. appears on a show, that is proof that. there is no big money behind this show. Well, the scary thing for people is that. there's not a guide and that it really. is the wild west out here. And that's.

that's real. Like this show is a great. example of that because this is the. number one show in the world. And this. show is literally me and my phone. It's. very interesting for me from from my. perspective uh and I'm sure much more. for you, but like from my perspective is. just that like somebody who's like a. regular and a good friend of yours and. has been on the show many times. I mean. I get you know constantly people always. come up to me ask what's Joe Rogan. really like? But which is always an. interesting question to me because it's. like uh and I always say my answer is. always uh I go but you already know like.

you already know what Joe Rogan's like. if if you watch the show you already. know what Ro it's more of that like I. don't know it's that or you know like. I'm not saying like there's not like any. element of like something you might tell. a close friend that you wouldn't say. publicly. But like generally speaking. and this is true by the way almost with. all of my favorite comedians. You know. people be like what was Patrice O'Neal. like? You'd be like like Patrice O'Neal. like exactly the guy you saw. he was. that a lot more of that is exactly like. that. It's just always the case. But it. was really interesting at least I don't. know. It was just so entertaining for me.

after this last election when it was. almost like they finally had to admit. the power that you have, you know, cuz. like for all those years and we would. always make fun of it over the years, but like Brian Stelter would be on CNN. and he'd be like the fringe Joe Rogan is. over here. He's very controversial. You'd be like controversial? It's like. he's got 15 million people listening to. his show and you're struggling to break. 200,000. How do you get to say he's. fringe? You know, like but it's almost. like they had to admit after this last. election they're like oh and then the.

way they start going oh we need our own. Joe Rogan or we need our own this. And. it's just I don't know. It's very. interesting where it's like man talk. about like you guys just don't get it. Well, my favorite one was there was a. guy on CNN saying that there's a. wellfunded network of right-wing. influencers that are. organized and they were trying to make. this argument. And who are the people. like Theo and you? Jen Saki was trying. to make this argument with John Stewart. Oh yeah. And Steuart called her out on.

it. He was like, "Yeah, no, that's not. right." No, it's she she was like, "Well, it's a right-wing movement.". She's like, "It's more of a comedian. libertarian movement." Yeah. Yeah. That's which is I think is more like you. know I mean I I think I mean I think. generally speaking like you know as. you've always said you're kind of a mix. of like some kind of more sympathetic to. leftwing ideas some more sympathetic to. right-wing ideas some sympathetic to. libertarian ideas but it's just so. especially like if you just know the. people involved like it describe you and. Theo von as a right-wing network like.

there's it's the most disorganized thing. in the history of the world. Organized. and wellunded. I'm not organized and uh. I guess I'm wellunded, but it's not for. that. I have no one audience. Yeah, but. it's also it's like no one tells me. anything. Like I can have on UFO people, I can have on comedians. No, there's no. feedback. I have no feedback. There's no. exchange between me and Spotify in terms.

of who you got this week, what's the. month look like, tell us the big names. We they started at the beginning of the. deal. They said, "Okay, who's going to. be the people the first week?" And my. manager's like, "Hey, hey, hey, it's the. same show. You bought the number one. show in the country. He's not doing. anything different." And they're like, "Well, we would like to get some big. names out of the gate." Like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." Like, that's just not. that's not what we do here. I'm not. going to change. It's the same show. But. the thing it's such a funny thing. because it is almost like it's like uh.

you know it's like somebody in a. marriage you know like the corporate. media I'd say they're like in a marriage. and they're just lying through their. teeth to their spouse. They're. constantly cheating on them. They're. getting caught left and right. Then. they're saying no no no it wasn't that. it was you and you're the bad person and. all this and they're just like the worst. most dishonest [ __ ] obvious liars and. then they're like looking over at like. someone in a healthy marriage and. they're like so what's that guy's trick? Like how does he do it? And you're like, it's like he just doesn't lie to her. He's he's nice to her and like I don't. know. Like it's just like the the thing.

is the big secret is that you're. authentic and just say what you mean and. invite the people on who you're. interested in talking to. And that that. was like the antidote to your insane. tyrannical [ __ ] It's also that I. started it not for money. I started it. for fun and it didn't make money for. years. And I was independently wealthy. Like I had money from Fear Factor and I. had money from standup comedy. I was. like, I didn't have like a crazy. lifestyle. I was like, I can just I'm. fine. Like, this is fun to do. I'm just.

going to do this. And then it just got. big and it was so new and I never. changed it. I just kept doing it this I. made it better. Got better cameras. Yeah, that was No, it's funny. Sometimes. you look back at those old uh episodes. and you're like, "Holy [ __ ] that's. grainy." I don't remember it being that. grainy, but it was compared. The cameras. were terrible back then. And we we just. used regular webcams that you go to Fry. Electronics and buy. We just like. regular [ __ ] USB microphone in the. beginning. Plug it into a MacBook. The. whole thing was so janky. It was like.

and now, you know, they think somehow or. another because it's big. Well, some. it's been infiltrated. It's not that I. haven't been offered. People have tried. to buy percentages of the show and give. me large sums of money and I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the I'm glad. you didn't make that decision." Once you. have [ __ ] you money, you better say [ __ ]. you. Cuz if you don't, you're not you're. ruining the one of the most beautiful. gifts the universe can bestow upon a. person to never be beholden to money.

anymore to just be able to like be. yourself, to do what you like to do. I. uh Tucker Carlson said about me once and. I thought it was like one of the best. compliments I've ever gotten and it. really meant a lot to Tucker who's. someone I really admire a lot. But he. was it was uh I think Patrick Bet David. if I'm reme remembering correctly he was. on his and it was before like the the. debate with Cuomo had been announced but. it was before it happened and uh Patrick. was like uh he's like how do you think. that's uh going to go and Tucker was. like look man he's like the thing about.

Dave is he is just totally unencumbered. by any restraints you know like there's. no I I mean I think what he meant was. just like there's no one who's like. cutting his check there's no one who's. like there's nothing that holds him back. like I get to the biggest show in the. world a lot cuz you like what I have to. say. And so then that's it. It's not. like there's no I I feel no like, man, I. wish I could say this, but I really. can't say that. And there's something. about that that is like that's the new. thing. And I'll say I think. you and look, this is what's really.

crazy, right? like the impact of what. you did during this election going. forward is going to be and I know you. don't like when I like suck your dick. too much but I'm just saying uh. there's the fact that Trump did the show. got such a great response from it. Camala Harris refused and then tried to. get you to change what the show was and. then obviously in hindsight like oh you. know the conventional wisdom is you. really should have done that. The new normal now going forward for.

presidential elections is going to be. that the expectation is that you can and. not just your show. I'm not saying like. you're you have to have the candidates. on every single four years, although I. think you should, but that's your choice. obviously. But the new expectation, the. expectation used to be that two or three. times a presidential candidate is going. to have to go do one of these CNN. debates where they will be asked these. like very narrow questions. They'll have. 90 seconds to respond. You know, it'll.

be Obama. You know, how do you feel we. do this in the war on terrorism? Be. like, well, first of all, thank you and. thank you for coming out and we. appreciate this and fluff and [ __ ]. and blah blah blah. And then and. hopefully change say Yeah. Ex like but. nothing just emptiness. Nothing happens. And now the expectation is that you got. to go have an organic unscripted 3hour. conversation and probably do it a few. different times with a few of the big. shows. And you get, you know, like you. get to kind of see that person in a. whole different way than we've ever.

gotten to see presidential candidates. before. And the truth is that a. candidate like Camala Harris will never. be a major party nominee again. A. candidate who is un this uh what's was. her running mates? WS Tim Waltz these. guys are not because they're not built. for that. The future is going to be guys. like JD Vance guys like Vake Ramaswami. guys like Bobby Kennedy Tulsi Gabbard. and by the way maybe the Democrats will. find somebody in there you know you. wouldn't have predicted Donald Trump in. New is trying to do.

that he wants it to be him so bad. Yeah. that's why he's doing his podcast and. he's doing a podcast where I'm inviting. everybody on. Well, he's at least right. for doing that. Everybody, come on in. Whoever you are, I'm inviting them all. Hey, Gavin, invite me on. We'll have a. nice We'll have a nice chat. He probably. would. I'll do it. He had Steve Bannon. on, Gavin. Uh, Mr. Newsome, Governor. Newsome, I would uh I would love I would. be honored to be on your show. We can. have a nice civil conversation about the. issues. He'll probably have you on right.

now. They'll probably hear that and. reach out to you. Look, I will give him. credit for this. he is at least smart. enough that like that is the move is to. go do a podcast and start interacting. and try to figure out I think the issue. that Gavin Newsome has is he he's a very. talented old school politician and I. think that that um archetype has been. rejected. Yes. And that's going to be. very tough. I think that going forward, like, you know, you saw um I don't know. if you saw recently, it was a few weeks. ago, uh Bernie Sanders and AOC had like.

a few big rallies and they're drawing. like, you know, tens of thousands of. people to these rallies. Now, I don't. think either of them are going to be the. nominee. I don't think they're really. drawing those people. Well, that also. might that also is probably true. Do you. know they got the cell phone data from. those things? Yes. No, I know. And it's. though I I've seen that and they are. probably pretty artificial, but still. there is no way like no one's reading. Chuck Schumer's new book. No one cares. about Nancy Pelosi. Like the. establishment wing is not going to be. what the future is. It's going to have. to be some populist. It's going to be.

Jasmine Crockett. I'm not sure she's the one. Margory. Taylor Green and Jasmine Crockett in a. cage fight. Let's go, dude. That's your. uh that's your old bit from uh talking. monkeys in space where you're just like. we could go dumber just keep getting it. dumber and dumber. So this is the level. now. Maybe you really predicted the future. Yeah, I definitely did. That was about. George Bush getting us into Iraq. He got. we won. He won again. How do you want. to? And then someone in the back of the. room going I think we can go dumber. And.

he's right. He was 100% right with Tim. Walls. I mean that that guy was almost. the vice president of the United States. You I'm sure you've seen that thing. where it shows Obama saying I need a. vice president that's dumber than me and. then it's Biden and Biden I need a vice. president dumber than me and it's saying. I need a vice president dumber than me. and it's false men have tampons. Yeah, you got to you got to lose cuz we got to. break this cycle. We're getting way too. dumb. You need to regroup. It wasn't.

just that we were getting dumb. We were. getting scary close to people justifying. totalitarian measures. You know what? Tim Walls in the campaign trail was. literally saying, "Free speech doesn't. include hate speech and misinformation.". Hey man, [ __ ] you. Yeah. How about [ __ ]. you? Cuz everything that we called. misinformation just a few years ago is. now being [ __ ] on It's on the front. page of the New York Times now that we. were lied to. I mean, the New York Times. just printed a thing. It turns out we. were lied to. Yeah, you lied to us. You.

were part of it. You you spit out all of. their propaganda without doing what. you're actually supposed to do, which is. be a journalist. Yep. The only way you. can be a journalist today is if you're. independent, a real journalist. You have. to be a Gren Glenn Greenwald. You have. to be a Shelonburger. You have to be a. Matt Taibbe. You have to be someone. who's independent. That's the only way. you could do real journalism today. There's just too many [ __ ] garbage. Glenn Greenwald, who is uh debatably the. greatest journalist of the 21st century. Um, and uh, I maybe I'd give it to.

Julian Assange, but he's he's up there. Um, he had to leave the publication that. he was a founder of, you know, uh, The. Intercept, right? He had to leave them. because they were going the route of. propaganda and not letting him tell the. truth about Joe Biden. And and it's it's. a testament to Glenn Greenwald that he. was just like, "Okay, cool. Bye. And. I'll go be just as big without you. guys." And that's that's another thing. that's really interesting about like. this which is very recent though, right?

That there was a time like where like. cancel culture was so effective. I. remember thinking this was something. that really kind of scared me like a few. years ago because it was like you know. you'd have these people like some of the. people who kind of started getting like. big like before me. I mean, I was I was. doing what I do, but it it I had a. slower like progression, but like some. of these people who shot up to the top, you know, Milo or like people like that. got totally removed from the. conversation. Like it was like they were.

just taking the best example. Yeah. This. guy was going to be the guy and then. Bill Mar show. Yeah. And and did great. on Bill compared him to Hitchens. Remember that? Yeah. I remember like a. gay Christopher Hitchens or something. like that. And and now it just seems all. over the place. There's lots of examples. of it where it's like they tried to. they've tried I mean they they you went. through I think the biggest cancellation. attempt where they were just like you. could see it was like I remember in. those few weeks it was like a decision.

had been made. We're going after Joe. Rogan and they just emptied every bullet. they had and it all just bounced off. you. And then you see this with uh like. a lot of other people like you know Alex. Jones, Andrew Tate, you know, however. you feel about these guys. I'm not even. making a comment on you just made them. bigger. I'm I'm just saying that them. getting kicked off every platform has. not worked at all and it doesn't work. anymore. And that's great. And and. Daryl's another example of that too. where they tried to go after him and it. just was like not happen. Just made him.

bigger. Yeah. It's fascinating. So. they're going to have to adjust or go. away. Adjust or perish. And I I assume. they're going to perish. I don't see. them adjusting. The only thing that. could change is the people that own. them. like Jeff Bezos has kind of put. the clamps down on the Washington Post. and said, "Look, I I don't want any of. these [ __ ] crazy left-wing opinion. pieces anymore. I want you to report. about lifestyle, health, news, objective news. Like, let's become. a [ __ ] newspaper again, which is what.

is that's the only way you have value. with everybody. Otherwise, you're. alienating literally 50% of the country. and the 50% that buy it, they have to be. [ __ ] because you've been lying so. openly about so many different things. Everything has to be gone through a. filter. Everything Yeah. And and so like. it's not even just that they're lying, but that they're lying in such a brazen. such a 180 degree from reality, you. know, like the the way they've tried to.

make this threat of Doge, you know, like. where they're just kind of like, you. know, what right does he have to go. through all these bureaucratics email. bureaucrats emails and what and you when. you zoom out, it reminds me a lot. there's this weird parallel between like. what Bobby Kennedy was able to insert. with the Maha movement where you had. this thing where we had like what they'd. call a national health crisis, you know, a pandemic, like the all of our focus. has to be on this health issue. And then. Bobby Kennedy just kind of came along.

and was like, uh, could I point out that. like there's a real health crisis that. we have that's not the one you're. talking about at all? like you're. claiming to care about health so much. and it's like okay look at autism and. and diabetes and obesity and we're the. like we lead the world in chronic. illness, heart disease, like all these. things like that's kind of and then it. was just the the Doge thing. It was like. okay so we have the the US federal. government is the biggest organization. in the history of the world. We spend. more than any other government in the. history of the world has ever spent. We.

are so far in debt now that the interest. on the debt is now, I believe last year. it was $1.2 trillion and it's going up. Yeah. And the interest on the debt is. now overtaking the entire budget. Like I. remember when trillion dollar deficits. were crazy. You got if we balanced our. budget tomorrow, we still run a trillion. dollar deficit every year just because. we owe it on the interest on the debt.

this is so obviously a crisis and then. they're trying to convince you that the. real crisis is that Elon Musk and a few. of his genius nerd buddies want to open. the books. Like, how the [ __ ] can you. convince anyone of that? Well, the. Democrats are really good at having a. narrative and then marching with it. Yeah. Yeah. They're really good at it. And that's what you see with all these. tweets that are all from the same kind. of verbiage. They're using the same. sentences and you see them all. throughout the whenever it comes to. certain issues. They're really good at.

like get staying united and getting out. this one message. Yeah. Which does which. does work um to kind of shockingly well, but again it is like you can watch it. like it's like this thing that's getting. diminishing returns and diminishing. returns and it's like oh it's not the. same old thing isn't working anymore. We're also in this big Manhattan project. style race to create sensient AI and. that's another issue that's going to. completely transform society. If you. think the internet and podcast transform.

society, just wait till you have super. intelligent godlike computers that are. telling us what we should do. Yeah. And. there's um you know, look, there's some. pretty uh spooky implications of all of. that. I mean, I you know, I've read a. decent amount about the way like uh the. IDF was using artificial intelligence to. like track, you know, like uh like. suspects and stuff like this, and you're. like, "Oh, like the the military using. AI is kind of creepy." But then at the. same time, you know, what what might.

that do to like people's ability to keep. secrets and keep corruption going? And. you know, it's kind of like who gets in. charge of that, right? Is going to be a. that's going to be like the fate of. mankind. Well, I think they're prepping. for that. That's why they're jailing. politicians. Like there's a lot of that. going on right now. They're they're in a. hot panic because you're not going to be. able to hide anything anymore. It's. gonna we we have just a it's gonna come. in waves and it's gonna be I mean I'm. just guessing what its impact is going.

to be but I think the world's. unrecognizable in 20 years. Yeah, I. think you're probably right probably. right about that and it's. uh you know it's going to be very it's. going to be very interesting. I remember. you said like a long time ago I think it. was like at the very beginning of the. podcast but you had said one thing where. like you were like it's going to be. harder and harder to lie. that's just. going to be the future where it's just. harder and harder to lie and you're. talking about just like even how much. right now like you know you know like I. was I was born in 1983 so I grew up in.

like the 80s and the 90s and like you. could lie back then you could just tell. lies make up stories you make up. whatever I used to do this I was the. head of this I worked at this company. yeah just say that just say it was just. totally like and you were just like I. don't know I mean he says it there's no. way to really check that and now it's. like you just say like oh I used to do. this it's like No, you didn't. You know. what I mean? Like that that's a crazy. shift that you know it happens slow. enough that you don't run. But the more. that that goes on and on and the more.

technology there is and the more like. singularity type [ __ ] or the more like. it's going to it's going to become. increasingly more and more difficult to. deceive people. At least that would be. my guess. There's going to be an app in. our lifetime that's a lie detector and. it's going to be 100%. It's going to. read your retinas. It's going to look at. your eyeballs and you're you're going to. use it just the same way you use. FaceTime and you're going to have to. talk to your boss through that thing and. it's going to be able to tell you what. did you do? What did you actually do?

Where's the money? Why is money missing? Oh, imagine that just like on. politicians though. Yeah. Oh boy. It's. going to be great. Get that [ __ ] on. Nancy Pelosi. Cuz I just happen to be really good at. picking stocks. Too bad Dick Cheney is. dead. Would you like to stick him in. front of that thing? No, he's still. alive, isn't he? Is it Dick Cheney? I. thought he died. No, Dick Chen still alive. Dick Cheney. is alive. Is he? Yeah. No, somebody I. think somebody else I'm trying to think. of who you Who is the guy who died? One. of the big ones died. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. No, someone real evil did die. But.

that guy's What's that? Still alive. Wow. He's still alive with another. dude's heart. He's still alive with. another dude's heart. Isn't it crazy? All these people died from COVID and. that [ __ ] guy's just still kicking. Yeah. Well, the thing about making the. deal with the devil is, you know, you. get you get paid off at one point in. time. He had no pulse. He had some thing. that was just circulating blood through. his body and it didn't have a pulse. That's got to be in the Bible. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's definitely something. to a guy responsible for a million. innocent people dying who doesn't have a. pulse. It's And can you imagine it was.

just crazy like and I don't know like I. don't know how much he was acting on his. own or like Oh, McCain's dead. John. McCain is dead. He's been gone for a. while. Um why did I think that Cheney. was dead? I feel like there's somebody. else who I and but maybe not. But you. know what's crazy? Did Rumsfeld just. die? I'm not sure. There was a fake report earlier this. year that Dick Cheney died. Oh, maybe. that's it. They got me. They got you. with a scam. They got me to fake. Um, but isn't it crazy that which but you.

know, like there's a million examples of. this. Um, but just like how tonedeaf the. Camala Harris campaign was that they now. I don't know how much Dick Cheney they. like but Liz Cheney they started. bringing on because Dick Cheney endorsed. her. came out to endorse it and say that. Donald Trump is the most dangerous. threat to America and then she started. campaigning with Liz Cheney like as if I. I mean it's just forget even like the. fact that obviously like I'm the. anti-war guy and I think all these. people are blood soaked monsters who. should burn in hell for eternity but.

leave all that aside just the politics. of it. Liz Cheney lost her congressional. race by like 50 points. What market is. there? Like what margin on the edges did. they think like I know I know what'll. move this. Okay, we're down, but we're. not out. Bring in the Chenies and then. we're going to tell them about how much. we love [ __ ] the war in Iraq or. something like that. And it was I think. it was just a signal to like military. contractors to be like, "Hey, we're. cool, you know, like send us some more. money." Internally, apparently they. already knew they were losing. Yeah.

They said the um from which makes the. spending even weirder. Yeah. Well, ev. evidently the um the internal polling. there's a few really interesting. questions about this cuz so the it's. been reported that the internal polling. of Biden before he dropped out was uh. like a crazy landslide way way more than. what Trump ended up winning by like they. had him winning like 500 elector I. forget what it was but it was like a. crazy [ __ ] blowout and then similarly. when Kamala Harris took over like they.

knew but then there's also something. interesting where it's like hey so. pollsters. Could Could we ever get the. real polls? How come like they can. figure out the real polls? But then you. because there was something like there's. only been a few elections in my life. that I remember where like it was um it. was just obvious who was who was going. to win. Like Obama in 2008, it was. obvious. You you could not have. convinced anyone like looks like John. McCain's the front runner. No, it. [ __ ] does not. like this black Jesus.

has drawn 80,000 people and then John. McCain's over here like I don't think we. can do you know it's like clearly this. guy's losing and this guy's going to. win. But the polls reflected that. It. was like oh yeah Obama's up big in the. polls. But this year everything you. could see, taste, touch, like it was. just oh obviously Donald Trump. everywhere Donald Trump went he's. getting like a king's greeting. He's. like with all all the culture is totally. shifted in his direction. Imagine if. they hadn't astroturfed those. conventions for Kla Harris. Imagine if.

they hadn't paid people to show up. How. many people would be there? They'd have. an arena. They it look it would have. been Imagine like right it wasn't people. coming to see Beyonce and they just had. to come see Kamala Harris and all you. know it's it was uh this campaign was. the the Kamala Harris and this is part. of the reason why even though I am uh. really upset with Donald Trump and I'm. upset with a lot of the cabinet people. too. I mean, honestly, look, Bobby, I. will say, does seem to at least be doing. some real structural like he's he's. talking about really, you know, changing.

some things at the health department. I. I think it maybe he could take a break. from tweeting about the virus of. anti-semitism. Um, but whatever. Uh, Tulsi I'm really upset with over, you. know, her like cheering on these these. strikes. I, you know, I thought she was. supposed to be the one who was going to. stand up in that signal group and say. something and not just leave it to JD. Um, and I think Donald Trump's messing. up in a lot of ways, but I really, at. least at this point, like if he invades. Iran and we have another war there, then.

I I will apologize for voting for him. Then I think I made a mistake and I. shouldn't have done that. But short of. that, I do think it was the right thing. to do. And part of it was like that that. had to be exposed because this Camala. Harris ticket, it was the most. astroturfed ticket ever, you know, like. it's one thing. Look, Obama had a lot of. institutional support. It it wasn't as. organic as they made it out to be, you. know, like but there was a lot of real. but he had real support. Like he did. have real grassroots support. She was. just she never won a she didn't win a.

primary. She didn't win a delegate when. she ran for president. She didn't even. make it to Iowa. It was all fake. It was. all phony. And it was like that had to. be exposed. It's dangerous. That's. dangerous because if they can get that. through with her, even if you like her. and you think, she would have done a. great job. That's scary that you were. given that kind of power. And the same. people that were autopenning all those. Biden executive orders would have been. in charge for another four years, if not. forever. Yeah, that's right. and the and. and look even, you know, you could say.

whatever that Joe Biden just feared that. Donald Trump would abuse the Justice. Department, which is, you know, a little. ironic to accuse him of the thing you're. actually guilty of doing. But to go out. and to pardon your family and forget the. family even because that's a little less. relevant, but to pardon Fouchy and go. back to 2014. Yeah. Why'd you pick that. year? Yeah. You know, Joe, I mean, obviously Joe Biden didn't pick. anything, but what who's the person who. picked that? We got to go back and give. this guy blanket immunity going all the. way back. Like come on, dude. What the.

[ __ ] It's crazy. That's I mean it's too. much. It's crazy. And who who really. signed that? That's the other thing. The. thing about using autopen for writing. all those pardons. Does that count? Is. there a legal battle about that? Because. if you can't remember, if Mike Johnson. testifies that he brought up the the. natural gas deal and he's like, "Why did. you why'd you go?" And he's like, "I. didn't." Yeah. He's like, "No, you did.". And then he asks to be alone with Mike. Johnson. So he always has handlers with.

him. And then when he's alone with him, then Biden tells him, "I didn't sign. that." Yeah. And then you realize it's. the same signature. Well, when you're. the level of scenile that Joe Biden was, it like it leads to the question we're. like, "So, how easy was it for everybody. to manipulate you?" also because you. could just tell him he did or didn't do. something and he may not, you know, like. he like we don't know, you know, like. I'm there was this one thing. Look, like. one of the things on October 7th and I.

try I try almost to avoid this topic. sometimes because I don't want it to. come off like I'm downplaying the. horrors of of October 7th. Like Hamas in. invaded Israel. They did some really. [ __ ] up [ __ ] They indiscriminately. killed a bunch of civilians and they had. grenades and and rifles and they did it. was horrible. They took a bunch of. hostages and it's, you know, every. really. However, there were some claims. that were made that turned out not to be. true. The 40 beheaded babies and some of. the like claims of mass rapes and stuff. like that just turned out not to be.

true. They were set in the fog of this. thing. Whatever. I'll give the benefit. of the doubt of like, you know, maybe it. was, you know, I think they were kind of. abused by some politicians in order to. get you to turn your brain off and be. very emotional and and not pay attention. to what this response is going to be. But Joe Biden claimed that he had seen. the videos of the beheaded babies and. then it turned out to just like that. never happened. And then you're almost. wondering, you're like, was he lying? Does he not remember? Did someone just. tell him that you've seen that? And then.

cuz he's a scenile man. Also a liar like. his whole life. Well, that's all that's. right. So it it's it's like impossible. to know cuz he's also been a liar his. whole he's also the guy who's like I was. first in my class, graduated with. multiple degrees and blah blah blah. You're like, none of this is even kind. of true. None of it's even kind of true. Yeah. And and it's just wild that you. could be too old and scenile to stand. trial for having classified documents, but yet you're fine giving out pardons.

Yeah. Like, how do you let a person with. a mental disease give out pardons? That. seems like that's the guy I'd. manipulate. And if it turns out that guy. gives out more pardons than anyone ever. upon leaving office. Yeah. How's that? That seems like that seems like those. shouldn't be legit. Well, look, on on. its own, of course not. But on its own, uh that and and there were things that. come above that to me, like COVID and. the war in Ukraine and, you know, a. whole bunch of other [ __ ] But that. alone is like Camala Harris and the. corporate media and the Dem. They had to. lose. You can't do that. You can't.

Emperor's new clothes the entire. American public and like [ __ ] just. lie through your teeth pretending this. guy's not a vegetable. Wow. Times Dave. Smith, we got to wrap this up. [ __ ]. home. Thank you, sir. Love you to death. You're awesome. Appreciate you very. much. Uh, tell everybody how they watch. your show. Oh, uh, Part of the Problem. is my podcast where I talk about all. this political news stuff. And then. Legion of Skanks is where I'm a. degenerate, uh, with my comedian. friends. Uh, check both of those out. Um, Skankfest is in New Orleans this. year if anyone wants to come. That's.

going to be a lot of fun. I believe it's. September. Nice of, uh, this year. And. then, uh, you know, comic tapesmith.com. if you want to come see me on the road. Beautiful. All right. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].