Joe Rogan Experience #2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe. Rogan podcast by night. All day. All right, we're roll. You just said. something that's like very important. You can't be dogmatic when you're. talking about vaccines or about. anything. Yes, it is good to keep an. open mind, isn't it? be flexible and. look at a 360 degree view of things. rather than your tunnel vision and what. you're indoctrinated into, isn't it?

Yeah. And especially if you know that. that indoctrination has been on purpose. and profitable and you know, one of the. great things about your book is um first. of all, your book's called Dissolving. Illusions. I know I've talked about on. the podcast a bunch of times, but you um. you also highlight a lot of things that. we know are beneficial that somehow or. another get lumped into nonsense like. even cinnamon.

Yeah, cinnamon is a is a powerful herb. actually and it's known to be helpful in. glucose handling for a lot of diabetics. taking it in capsule form. Now, I. noticed um at the end of my nephrology. career uh that a lot of my own patients. were taking cinnamon capsules, but it's. also has a lot of vitamin C in it. And I. think that was probably one of the keys. A lot of those old remedies that we. wrote about the magic in them probably. was the vitamin C in them. I dismissed. all that stuff as total nonsense. I was.

like, "Oh, that's hippie nonsense." Like. echynatia, like get out of here. It's. hippie nonsense. Garlic, come on. Get. out of here. But then the more I've read. things, especially like garlic is. incredible for staff infections for some. reason. It is and it doesn't be develop. drug resistance like a lot of the drugs. that are engineered for it. Um yeah, the. hippies seem to have got it right, I. think. Well, it just that that whole. idea of natural remedies is so just.

universally dismissed by non-silly. people. You know, when you say natural. remedies, that's great. If you have a. heart attack, go to a doctor, stupid. You know, that's generally people's. appeal to authority, right? But it's the. doctor should be recommending those. things, too. Like they're they're good, too. Like vitamin D, super important, you know, vitamin A, super important. And one of the things that you talked. about in the book is that um I think. this was really important when you were. talking about the measles vaccine. You.

were saying that um either if you get an. infection with measles, just a natural. infection, or if you get the vaccine, you're still going to get depleted of. vitamin A. Like if you get vaccinated. for the measles, you should be taking. vitamin A as well. Your body's going to. get depleted just by getting that shot. They don't tell you that. No, they don't. tell you anything. just Tylenol, which. actually makes the vaccine not work as. well in addition to causing all kinds of. immunological disturbances at the time. that you're supposed to be upregulating.

your immune system against this dreaded. disease. Um, yeah, but one of the things. about the the recommended by the, you. know, the white coats and the. authorities is is that they the public. believes that so many drugs and remedies. are standardized that the conventional. medical system gives out. And when you. go to actually look at them, and this. includes vaccines, even though they're. standardized, meaning that the. manufacturers are told what the. regulations should be in terms of. production, when people go and look at.

them, they find it's anything but. standardized. It's very variable, which. is why we see such variability in the um. in the results when people re receive. them. That's only one reason why there's. so much variability. And do you think it's the immunity to. any legal consequences that has allowed. them to sort of operate like this? Well, we certainly saw an explosion of their. creativity since 1986. So 19 actually in. 1986, you're you're referring to the. National Child Vaccine Injury Act that.

was passed in 1986. But before 1986, we. had 1976, which was the swine flu. vaccine fiasco. And that was that was a. situation where there was so much injury. that the vaccine producing companies. were no longer able to get insurance. And so they went to the government and. they said, "We need you to indemnify. us." And they did. And so the government. absorbed all the lawsuit cases that. happened as a result of the gamb that. happened from then. And so that kind of. set a precedent for 1986. So back then.

vaccines were just kind of, you know, pieces of microbe or maybe a live. attenuated virus. uh and then they would. put a background of all kinds of horrid. things inside of it and tell you it was. just a clear beautiful pure solution. But that's beside the point. So uh then. 1986 comes along and because there's so. many lawsuits happening because of the. diptheria ptasus tetanus vaccine that. again the vaccine companies couldn't. continue to go on the way they were. because they were being sued so much. So. then this this horrible act was passed. which to some people seemed like a good.

idea and this is always how it goes is. we're going to make you this promise. Yes. Yes. Yes. we're going to we're. going to cover all the lawsuits now out. of taxes, but it's going to be okay. because we're going to we're going to. pay out these lawsuits and you're going. to be fine. If you if your kid takes one. for the team, you're going to be okay. And what happens is after time, after. they get their foot in the door, they. narrow down the um they they basically. have a kangaroo court that decides if. you're eligible. And so the. qualification tables got narrowed down. because in the beginning they were. paying out so much of this. So, not only.

did it make the vaccine companies very. very wealthy and indemnified, but as you. alluded to just a minute ago, um the. creativity of the vaccine companies. expanded. So, after that, they could add. different what we call adgivants, things. that stimulate the immune system so the. vaccine works better. uh then they start. that's why we're able to be in a. messenger RNA vaccine situation today. which which that wouldn't have happened. if it weren't for the indemnification. that you know the vaccine trials have. always been a bit of a joke but they're. even more of a joke today than they were.

in the beginning you've never seen a. vaccinated unvaccinated um study that's. that is accepted by the powers that be. as um you know good enough the the v the. vaccinated unvaccin studies that they. have, they use another vaccine for you. probably know that. So if you're testing. a measles vaccine, you know, you could. test it against a dtheria vaccine or a. flu shot vaccine is tested against a. hepatitis A vaccine. There's no saline. placebo because the few studies that. exist with saline placeos show how bad.

the vaccine actually is and how it makes. you not only not respond to the dis. disease when it comes around, but more. susceptible to it in many cases. Have. there been any instances where vaccines. have been helpful? The question of the century, isn't it? Okay, now we have to back up a minute. because I had that same question and I. had to go dig deep to all the questions. you have in your head right now. I had. them too at one point. So here I am, a. medical doctor working in the field,

believing pretty much everything I was. told, giving hundreds if not thousands. of vaccines out to my patients, hepatitis B vaccines in particular, flu. shots for sure. I was a nephrologist, kidney specialist and dialysis, etc. And initially, you know, we all. kind of have an aversion to needles. I. think it's a natural human aversion. So. when we're kids, we don't, no one's. going, "Oh, I want to go get my. vaccines." We're like, you know, okay, fine. Sore arm. you get over it. Most of. us were lucky enough to get over it. Um,

so by the time the first instance of a. problem occurred in front of my eyes, I. was already a fully seasoned professor. of medicine, you know, working in a in a. tertiary care medical center. Okay. And. so it it's been a bit of a process. because for me it was the influenza. vaccines in 2008 2009 that showed me. without a doubt that vaccines can and do. cause kidney failure and put people on. dialysis that that does happen. It can. cause hypertension. So we're not told to.

take a vaccine history in medical. school. We're not told to even look. there. It's not even part of especially. in adults. But when I did start looking. there, I I started to see more and more. associations. Let's just put it that. way. And so first I had to go down the. flu the flu vaccine bunny trail. And. every time I went down that flu vaccine. bunny trail, guess what I was asked? What about polio? Right? So I thought, all right, even though this has. absolutely zero to do with polio, because I'm watching people crap out in. front of me after influenza vaccines,

let's see about polio. Because I knew. very little about polio, just like most. people walking around out there do that, you know, it was invented by this guy. named Jonas Sulk and it saved humanity. We don't see these little crippled kids. anymore. We don't have iron lungs. anymore. Yay. Um, well, I would have to. say that the polio bunny trail was the. darkest one of all. And, uh, so after. polio, then became smallox. And I. thought, you know, we still have people. walking the earth that have experienced. the polio years. So, I I kind of like to.

stick to polio because most of the small. pox, you know, people that would have. been would have been familiar with it. are off the planet. But there's still. some doctors around that'll talk about. smallox. a guy named Thomas Mack who's. probably close to 90 who was kind of. ground zero in the 1940s and knows a lot. about it and still says we shouldn't be. vaccinating for smallox today. Um, so. then there was that and then everyone in. their dog was talking about autism and I. didn't really want to have anything to. do with autism because I was an adult. doctor. I think we should break down. step by step like what about polio?

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do with that? Well, I also it's not what. I think because that's the thing like. look when I got into this I didn't say. oh you know I want to argue that. vaccines are great. I said look I don't. care. I didn't have skin in the game. I. didn't have vaccine injured kids. I. couldn't have cared less about it. essentially except that it was something. in front of me and didn't make sense. So. I thought wherever the truth falls. that's what I'm going to talk about. So. what I say is that I I what what what. the facts line up to show you is that. polio is still here. Polio is still. alive and well. Polio is called.

different things today. Whereas back in. the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio. were completely different to the year. that the vaccine was introduced. The the. the playing field, the goalpost, everything was changed. So that despite. the fact that there was more paralytic. polio in the years after that vaccine. was introduced, they were able to show a. complete cascading drop of paralytic. polio simply because of the way they. they changed the definitions of what. polio is and what could cause it. and. they started testing for the virus where.

before they would never test for the. virus and when they started testing for. the virus later what they would find. that people had greet syndrome they. didn't have virus or they had cooxsaki. virus or echo virus or they were lead. poisoned or mercury poisoned which was. the mercury and lead were the leading. treatments of the day including blood. letting telling people to put take your. cigarette and put a little bit of. arsenic in there it's good for your. lungs yeah they were literally blowing. smoke up people's butts like that that's. where the term comes from because there.

if you want to Google that now you'll. see that there's an instrument that does. so um yeah the polio story where to even. begin and so there's about 70 pages and. so that became my obsession so when. people said what about polio and I. started digging this up I went deep into. it did you dive into pesticides yes yes. you have to dive into pesticides because. the tonnage of production of DDT. absolutely mirrored the the diagn nosis. for polio in the days and the countries.

that still make DDT today is where we're. still seeing this paralytic polio. situation happen and also weren't the. first cases didn't they break out in a. rural community the first cases of polio. yes in the United States paralytic polio. yes it was out in the countryside well. that was probably more because of the. sheep and cow dipping so arsenic you'd. have to look at arsenic you have to look. at the mercurials you have to look at. the calcium arsenate lead arsonate. sprays that were put on trees but what. you're talking about in particular they. would call the cow disease They go out. and and the family when you would go to.

the house, they'd say, "All the kids. have the cow disease what the cows had. before." Well, what were they doing? They would have this trenches. You talk. to farmers even today. Oh, yeah. We had. trenches. We would just walk them. straight through and I'd be soaked with. the stuff by the end of the day. Oh my. god. Yeah. So, they're basically soaking. and bathing in arsenic, which is great. for killing fleas and ticks, but it's. not really great for keeping your. nervous system happy because the fact of. the matter is, and this again, I've got. medical references, everything. I can't. get away with making stuff up, okay? I. have to put a reference for everything,

but arsenic causes the exact same spinal. pathology that and fevers and. everything. It literally mimics what. they were calling polio and a polio. virus back in the day. I read this crazy statistic and I still. can't believe it's real that 95 to 99%. of all polio is asymptomatic. That's. exactly right. So polio virus is what we. call a commensal just like you have. staff on your skin and strep on your. skin and it actually serves a purpose.

It keeps other microbes in check as long. as you don't get a cut um and have not a. good immune system to deal from the. inside out. So polio, the reason I can. say that polio is a commensal is because. again there are medical studies that. showed that um people who dared to get. on the edge of some of these wild native. tribes down in South America um or. elsewhere, but in particular, I'm. talking about a South American tribe. called the Javante Indians. So the um. Indian Health Service got to the edge of. it and bargained that they would get. some stool and some blood from the. tribes so that they could test it for.

polio. And what they found was 98 to 99%. of every person they tested, and it was. hundreds of people, had all had evidence. of immunity to all three strains of. polio. And they said to them, "Well, where are your crippled children? Where's your short legs? Where are the. people that died of respiratory. failure?" And they were like, "We don't. have we don't have any of that problem.". So, it was well, could it possibly be. that whatever you're calling polio. evolved and became less powerful over. time and more contagious? does that does.

happen with some some viruses, right? Most viruses in nature don't become more. problematic as they go through the human. the human system. They become less. problematic. Remember remember the the. whole COVID thing like in the beginning. people were getting super super sick. It. was it was wasn't as contagious but it. was more virulent and as it attenuated. into the human bodies it sort of fil it. kind of fizzled out a bit and then we. got the omocron which was you know less. it was more spreadable but it was much.

less pathological and that's the natural. process that happens. So, when you're. going to have problems, real problems. with um microbes, they're usually going. to be reverse attenuated, meaning made. more lethal in a lab, and then they're. introduced into the population. And. look, I'm not making this up either. 1916, uh, upper east side Manhattan, uh, there was a Rockefeller lab that their. their specific stated goal was to try to. create the most pathological. neuropathological strain of polio. possible. And they did that by taking.

monkey brains and human um spinal serum. and injecting it into monkeys and um. there was a big problem with that which. was released into the public by. accident. And the world experienced the. worst polio epidemic on record. 25%. mortality. That's unheard of. Uh really. freaked the public out. But as it as it. and you can see the epicenter as it. fanned out and as it fanned out and as. time went on, never heard of it again. it it attenuates as it moves through the. body because it's a normal human.

commensal that goes back to its normal. state when it's in a human and that's. generally what happens if you have a. highly lethal virus and it kills a lot. of people those people are dead they. can't spread anything so that's kind of. a different story if you want to talk. about h virus or something like that but. as far as polio goes no polio was only. made more lethal by the stupid things. that humans did around it so make it. more invasive into the body just like. you can go do stupid things and end up. with herpes outbreaks and uh you know. staff. outbreaks. Polio virus is a normal.

convent commensal. It used to be until. we obliterated it with oral vaccines and. replaced it with vaccine strain. But the. wild strains are um normal human. commensiles. So there's vaccine strain. polio that just comes from a vaccine and. is transmissible. Absolutely. Um today it would be the oral polio. vaccines because they're the live. strains and they're still giving them. pulse fashion all throughout India. Um. they they did a campaign a few years. back in uh Israel and they always say.

that a nomad came and you know pooped in. the sewage system and they find it in. the sewage system and they don't want an. outbreak to happen so they treat. everybody. So that's today the most. common reason to see um polio polomiitis. disease from a virus. If you test for a. virus they'll usually find the vaccine. virus and that's why today we don't. remember when we were kids because we're. about the same age I think uh they would. give us the sugar cube. Um maybe you. didn't but I did. I got the sugar cube. and that was the live um vaccine. Well,

they stopped doing that because after a. while the only cases of polio and it. became so obvious that the only cases of. polio we were seeing related to a virus. um when they tested for polio virus were. vaccine strains. Then they started. injecting us again. But the early. injections caused more paralytic polio. than it prevented. And that's the part. that people don't understand when they. say what about polio because they they. like you just go well there's no more. iron lungs. There's no more crippling. There's no more these little poor little. kids walking around with their their. casts. Well, that's that's not true. because the iron lung is now called a.

ventilator. So, that's out the window. Transverse myitis, which there are about. 1,300 cases uh I think it's a month. diagnosed in one particular um I I put a. quote put a quote in here on that. But. transverse myitis is actually something. that would have absolutely it follows. the same path pathology as polio would. have been called polio back in the day. So we still have polio that we had in. 1953 because in 1953 all you had to have. to be diagnosed as polio anyone could. diagnose you just one examination with u.

one set of muscles being paralyzed. There was no time frame on it. There was. no testing done on it and then it was. considered a public service to do it. because then you were eligible for. funding. So what do they call it again? Can you. say that word again? Myelitis. Polommyoly. Polomiolitis is the. definition of the actual pathology you. know so it basically means inflammation. of the gray matter of your spinal cord. that's what polio in Greek. polomiolitis it means gray matter. inflammation.

polomiolitis polomiolitis is is what. happens in the body okay if you want to. talk about what causes it then okay. maybe in some cases a polio virus causes. it um and all the other things we just. mentioned arsenic lead arsonate calcium. arssonate. um injections, tonslectomies were huge. cause of some of the worst cases of. polomiitis and in fact injections and. tonslectomies and unnecessary surgeries. were put on hold during the years where. the epidemics were the worst. So that's.

just proof that even the surgeons knew. that why why does it affect it? Okay. So. if you happen to have polioitis. circulating in your body that's not just. sitting in your intestines and say it. made its way into your body because we. can things can go from your intestines. into your body uh and you happen to um. have it close to a nerve that's up say. around your throat and then you go and. take a tonsils out then what you've done. is you've given that access to the blood. compartment the lymph the lymph.

compartment and the brain stem which is. right there local. So those were the. people that would get what was called. bulbar polio which is the ones that put. you on a ventilator and make and it's. highly lethal. It's one of it's the. worst kind of polio to get balbar polio. and it was very well known to have been. coincident with tonslectomies. Not only. that but tonslectomies changed um the. structure and antibodies and the. immunity that occurred in the throat and. it changed it for the for the worse not. for the better. Do you think they're unnecessary or is.

there some times when people have to get. their tonsils removed or is it just a. nonsense practice? Okay, so again, it's not it's not just a cut. and dry answer because let's just say. that anyone who's ever brought their. child to me because their tonsils were. touching or they were snoring has not. had to have a tonslectomy. Now, does. that mean that a tonslectomy won't solve. that problem where you're snoring and. you know your kids maybe not. oxygenating? No. If you let it go that. long, probably you're going to need a. tonslectomy. But I I have seen so many.

cases reverse. It's a very easy thing to. do. But as doctors, we're not taught. about all the things that you were. talking about earlier, the the natural. remedies, but just simply gargling with. a solution of um of sodium ascorbate, vitamin C, can make a huge difference. because tonsils are like they're like. porous golf balls, if you want to think. of them that way. They got pits in them. and and so food you eat and bacteria and. pus can build up. But if you just start. rinsing the outsides of them and start. nourishing the body from the inside and. getting rid of things that the kid might. be allergic to, which almost every kid's.

going to eat if the parent doesn't know. better, it can make a remarkable. difference in these kids that have these. huge tonsils. So I think that a lot I. think everything else should be done. first before taking out the tonsils if. there's time because I'd say 95 to 99%. of the time you can prevent that child. from needing their tonsils removed. Before we go to smallox, I want to talk. about this because he just brought it. up. When one of the things that Brett. Weinstein has uh explained to me is that.

uh aluminum is uh when that the concept. is that giving someone an a shot with. aluminum in it and triggering an immune. immune response, if they're eating. certain foods during that time, they can. then develop. an allergy to those foods like certain. people with peanuts and and various. things like that that are used to be. very common for people to eat, but then. a bunch of people developed like pretty. severe food allergies. And he makes this.

connection that he believes is. reasonably it's a reasonable connection. to say that there's something. absolutely. Oh, 100%. And and it's it's. not just something he's dreamed up again. provable medical literature in the book. dissolving illusions. um the physiology, the pathology is known. It's very well. known that um the vaccines that have. aluminum in them skew the immune system. So the immune system kind of just if you. want to break it down really simply, you. have your TH1 arm and your TH2 arm. Your.

TH1 arm is your really important one. Those are the those are your tea cells, you know, your lymphosytes, the cells. that you know chew up any garbage that's. going around. That's the part you want. activated in any infection you have, whether it's COVID or measles or. smallpox or whatever. Then you have your. TH2 arm which is there mostly to deal. with parasites and things like that and. it's mostly an antibbody arm of. immunity. That's the one the. vaccinologists are obsessed with making. sure there's enough antibbody. So th the. vaccines that have aluminum in them as. opposed to the live attenuated vaccines.

which don't have aluminum. All the other. ones do. So your DTAP is going to have. aluminum in them. All your killed. vaccines are going to have aluminum in. them. And that is very well known to. trigger that TH2 response which is the. allergic response which can set up your. body for autoimmunity. Um and so part of. the pro part of the purpose of of you. know breastfeeding which is you know. part of the the blueprint for humanity. and every other mammal uh is that the. mother is able to introduce antigens in. the world to her baby through her own.

breast and things that she's been eating. and breathing in and then the baby's. able to develop tolerance. So, you know, while vaccine scientists are obsessed. with getting antibodies and ramping up. in infants inadequate immune system, the. fact of the matter is is that it's more. important to learn what not to react to. when your immune system's developing. rather than to becoming defensive. against every microbe that could get. you. So, that's kind of the paradox. there and one of the the battlegrounds. for, you know, immunology within. immunology. And for those of us out here. that are going, what are you doing here?

you know. Um anyway, you do you also. talking in your book about the. importance of breast milk and the the. amount of nutrition that's in breast. milk for for a child and what it does. for a child, you know, and the. differences in their immune system, the. differences in a lot of different. aspects of their development, which is. pretty fascinating. And most people kind. of just assume it's food. It's just. food. But it's a lot more than that. It's so much more than that. And I was. actually quite startled when I really.

went down that rabbit hole uh to see not. only I mean it is food. It's it's it's. excellent nutrition with short- chain. fatty acids and sugars that the baby. needs and actually trains your gut to be. healthy in the long run as an adult. which trains your immune system as well. But what that mother is putting through. her breast milk you know things like. something called Hamlet Hle T which. stands for human alpha lactalumin made. lethal to tumors. And this is a. substance. This is a protein. It's like. a transformer protein that um can.

literally turn into a cancer busting. molecule that is being um used by the. oncology industry. Okay. And when it's. not in that form, it's a powerful. protein that fights off um ptasus uh all. kinds of numaccoal bacteria. And when. it's not doing that, it's food. Okay. So, it's like it's got so many different. purposes. stem cells are coming through. that that mother's milk. activated tea. cells. activated tea cells have another.

substance in them that's that is kind of. hijacked by the oncology industry and. that is when when they're. immunosuppressing kids for leukemia or. whatever and they come in contact say. with um chickenpox what they can do is. get somebody like me who's immune to. chickenpox naturally and take my memory. tea cells that remember that and there's. a substance in there um called. dializable lucasite extract when you put. that into another child even if whether.

they eat it or inject it into them, it. transfers cellular that TH1 important. arm of immunity I just told you it. transfers it onto them and protects them. for a long time. So that's kind of in. the old days when when mothers had. measles in the old days and normally and. they were able to pass this powerful. immunity through that that DLE factor as. well as all these other things including. pre-formed immune globbulins. Um I. mentioned something like 80,000 stem. cells. It's it's it's just incredible. all and we still have only hit the tip.

of the iceberg in in in terms of what we. know about breast milk. But breast milk. also it's been proven again that if. you're going to if you are going to. vaccinate your baby if you're. breastfeeding the vaccine will bring. that baby more into a TH1. If you're not. breastfeeding and you're giving formula. that baby's going to move more into a. TH2 in response to that vaccine. So, like if I think if if most women. understood the powers of breast milk, they they would do everything possible. to be able to do it.

I I think you make a very compelling. point for that. I just I think it's. arrogant that we could assume that we. could replace something with a b I mean, have you ever read the ingredients of. formula? Like, how could that be good? I. know parasites. We h we have parasites. that have been parasites upon humanity. for such a long time. And that's what. happens is that something is discovered. and for some people maybe it can be a. good idea, but then the parasites take. it and and want to. So with when it came. to breastfeeding, it was you don't have.

to do that. You don't have to bother. yourself like that. You don't have to. pull your boobs out in public. You don't. have to become a dairy cow. Just strap. them down. The milk will stop and then. you can start putting this wonderful. When I was a kid, I was fed soy milk in. a warm plastic bag. That was the fad. then growing up. Um, so the the formula. industry is a huge money maker and some. women do prefer it. Fortunately, 75% of. women in the USA today do initiate. breastfeeding. So that's very much.

better than the polio days when almost. nobody was breastfeeding and they were. using milk in the infant formula that. had been contaminated by what the cows. were eating. Oh my god. And so that was. another part of the polio story that's. not been told. So the cows were all. eating these pesticides. Yes. And. herbicides. Yes. And the cows were. getting sick with it. And then these. people were drinking the milk from that. cow and getting sick as well. Eating the. meat. The cows wouldn't have been. getting necessarily getting sick from. it, but it would be concentrating in.

their milk and so the milk the milk. would have been expressed. But you you. just brought me back to another place. Cows were also used during the smallox. era. And what you're saying is true. about that. So they would basically take. um what they. thought, sorry it's just so dark that I. sometimes you have to laugh, but they. would take pus from other animals, scratch it into the belly of a cow, then. take the pus the pus off of the the big. pimples that would form on the belly of. a cow. Um the cow could become very sick.

and yet that cow could still be. butchered up at the butcher shop. the. butcher would get sick with pimpus or. some hand and mouth disease or you know. the things that the cows normally catch. and so those cows could still be used to. produce meat in those cases. I don't. know that it was used to produce milk. I. don't think that would have I I don't. know but I know it was used to produce. meat because the butchers were getting. sick and the people that were eating the. the meat were getting sick. Um and. certainly the people that took the. vaccines that had certain who knows what.

in them because it was shown like into. the 1970s 80s and even recently I have a. reference from after the year 2000 that. there was more bacteria and fungus in. the small pox vaccines than there was. smallox virus. So, it was because they. had this thing called pure lymph, which. was pus that came out of the horse of a. horse's foot or um a donkey pus skin or. or a cadaavver of a human or a cow's um. ulcerating utters and scraped into.

glycerin and called pure lymph and. marketed all over the world as a this is. Joe this was our success. This is the. one vaccine that eliminated. eradicated a disease. Can you believe. that fairy tale? I'll tell you another. one like that. It doesn't get crazy. This is our success. This this vaccine. that I have described in great detail. with what was in it and what people saw. under microscopes and then later tested. genetically was what was called a quasi. species. Meaning they don't even after a.

while it became its own thing. It wasn't. from a horse anymore. It wasn't from a. human anymore. They called it um. humanized horse pox when they um when. they genetically characterized the dryax. and then ordered that every drive. specimen on the planet be destroyed. I. think that was around 2009. Why did they do that? Good question. I. don't know. Hiding the evidence. possibly. But they now have a new. vaccine um which doesn't work. Uh but.

they wanted to bring this one back when. I when I was in my the peak of my career. in 2003. They I got a letter on my desk. um stating that they needed people to. get vaccinated for smallox so that those. other people that were getting. vaccinated would have somebody that. could treat them that would be immune to. small pox because it's well known that. if you get a smallox vaccine and you get. these horrible scabs that you're going. you're going to spread small pox and. you're going to have a horrible itchy. time of it. secondary infections, you.

will need a doctor at some point. Well, it turns out that the trials that they. did on super healthy people, soldiers. that were in top shape were so bad in. terms of cardiac disease and other. diseases that the government put it on. hold for a second and said, "No, no, no. We can't do this." Meanwhile, guess. what? They were using the same vaccine. in the 1700s and 1800s. Late Yeah. 17. late se late late 1700s all through the. 1800s into the 1900s. They would. sometimes, you probably saw the picture.

of the the child's arm, considered a. good take, five huge ulcers on the arm. be with sanitation being what it was, no. antibiotics. Can you imagine having your. baby have five scars on its arm, ulcerating from these things, having. fevers, sometimes the arms became. necrotic, sometimes the disease spread. all over the place, and there was. nothing but to give them except. bloodletting, mercurials, and our. centacles and heating them up in a dark. room with no sunlight. That was the. treatment for small pox. So, you tell me.

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you you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to. imagine just the smell of human feces. everywhere. Like streets were filled. with outouses. There was animal [ __ ] in. the streets. It was no sanitation. There's no running water. It's a. disaster. It's a disaster. And there's. no good food. So, you got malnutrition. You You're exposed to numerous pathogens. and just in waste. You probably have. feal matter on everything. It's probably. unavoidable. It tracks in your house.

It's everywhere you go. It's your. drinking water. The drinking water was. the you would skim the top off for your. drinking water back then. And we know. that co- infections make make any. primary infection worse. You know, if. you have measles and you get a co-. infection makes it worse. Covid with a. co- in anything makes it worse. You end. up with, you know, pneumonas and pus. pockets in your lungs. So, yeah, thank. you for that description. I don't think. I could have done it much better myself. But that's that's the normal. It's go. watch Gangs of New York. Like that's. that's obviously a a drama and you know,

it's probably not completely accurate, but I bet it's pretty close. I bet it's. pretty close to how people lived back. then. Yeah. the slums like you can you. can actually like in here it's not all. medical art articles quoted um some of. the quotes that we use are historical. quotes from you know anthropologists. that would go through the slums in New. York you know the Ellis Island was just. bringing people in bringing people in. and these they would sometimes have 20. people in one room with no privy um dark. you know like you say some of and the. sewage would run underneath the house so.

the smell of it would be coming up. through the whole time and then you'd. have them working 16 hours a day at the. age of anything up up upwards of four to. five years old could be sent to either. coal mines or caneries um to bring money. in uh for the families to barely. survive. So people weren't being paid. very well. But you just said smallox. being what it was. But what people don't. realize is that in the 1600s late 1680s. doctors were describing small pox as one. of the easiest diseases to treat if you. simply just supported the human. again.

quoted. uh that and then what happened is the. industrial revolution and people were. taken with the land enclosure acts out. from the farms and brought into cities. which didn't have the pigs basically. were the garbage men back then so the. pigs ran wild thank god because if they. didn't it would have been even worse. horses were your cars so horse were. dumping everywhere you know some people. just they said there was a foot of horse. manure to get through to walk across the. street so um it it was it was horrible. in pretty much every way you can think. of and and then the human oppression on.

top of it in terms of the poverty that. was there and the wealthy elite at the. top kind of, you know, living the the. good life. But it was starting to filter. up to them at some point, which is why. um it was actually individual people. that sponsored the first um public. drinking fountains and things like that. was probably partly to save. themselves because if you can if you can. stop disease from rent running rampant. through society, look, they still had to. go into the cities to get things, right? Um, and even if you sent your servant. into the city, your servant could bring.

you home something lovely from the city. Uhhuh. Yeah. This is not the picture that was painted. when we were children of what society. was like, you know. No, we were told. that that this vaccine was so important. and it was it was so effective that we. don't need it anymore. I actually ended. up with one when I was very young. I. think what we're talking about when. we're saying the conditions that these. conditions aren't known to most people. and that these conditions coincide with. these diseases and that's probably it's.

probably not just a correlation. So the the conditions correlate with the. the with the diseases and the conditions. also correlate with the death rates. Okay. And so there were many of the. diseases that we're talking say just. diarrhea. Do you know diarrhea killed. more people in the Civil War than. bullets? Yeah. And lots of other wars. Diarrhea. Um, diarrhea can be caused by. lots of things. Nothing that we. vaccinate for essentially at that. Well, I mean today there's roto virus, but. that wasn't a thing then. It was more, you know, typhus and things like that.

So, um, and are they getting it from. water? Yeah, that's what that would have. been because they would be out, you. know, in the in the in the bush or the. trenches, you know, drinking what they. could. So, um, redirect me again. We were just. talking about the um Okay. So the the. diseases that there were never any. vaccines for, we see the death rate come. down at the same exact avalanche as the. diseases that we did vaccinate for. And. in some cases, there's a little blip. when the vaccine comes up and things get.

worse for a bit and then come back down. Uh so again, the point of the book was. just interpreting the data that's. existed for a really long time, vital. statistics throughout the world as to. the decline in death rate. In some. cases, disease rates went down too. But. the most important thing was the death. rate because that's what people your. baby could die. You have to have a. vaccine, right? It's not your baby could. have a rash, right? Um you know, so. different diseases have different. severities and um and different.

solutions and different ways to treat. them so that they never have to present. to a hospital. But like you said, you. know, back in those days, you know, there wasn't the the pharmacies. basically had your mercurials if you. were lucky, some homeopathics. Um, that. was pretty much medicine back then until. aspirin was invented, which was probably. one of the reasons why the 1918 flu. looked as bad as it did because they. were giving people up to 10 grams of. aspirin a day, which can cause pulmonary. edema in a healthy person. So, so h what. was the logic behind the arsenics and.

the mercurials? Like how did that become. an approach that they use for medicine? Oh, well, I don't know. Actually don't. know the answer to why they started. doing that. Those are two really bad. things. Well, I'll tell you I'll tell. you how they prescribed it is they would. say give one grain until emmesis occurs. That means throwing up. So give it until. the person throws up. Because back then. they believed that if they could get you. to throw up, they thought if bringing. stuff out of your body was good, bloodletting, throwing up and diarrhea.

And so that's how that was the threshold. for giving a lot of these drugs. So they. thought instead, you know, how can you. get someone to have diarrhea with as a. doctor? Okay. Well, we can give them. mercurials in our centacles. That will. do the trick. Um and so they thought. that they could purge the body by. thinking medicine past, present and. future. Yeah. Okay. Paradoxically as a. therapeutic agent that has been used. since ancient times for the treatment of. multiple diseases. So does it um. actually cure some stuff in small doses?

Well, well, how what good does it cure. if you have a dead patient or a patient. with neuropathy? You haven't really. cured anyone, have you? Right. Well, isn't it dose dependent? Right. It says. arsenic triioxide the active ingredient. in a traditional Chinese medicine was. shown to produce dramatic remission of. acute pol You could say that word ma'am. promyioidic leukemia thank you similar. to the fact they decided that vitamin A. could do it okay right transretinoic. acid so retinoic acid which is vitamin A.

okay that's interesting I would say. vitamin A less risky I'd say it's less. risky for vitamin A than arsenic I. meanlight kind of arsenic. Slightly. different kind of arsenic or a lower. dose of arsenic. Is that. uh they would they measured things in. grains back then. So I I guess that's. probably like maybe like a milligram. something like that. But the Chinese. medicine is probably the root of it, right? Why they thought it was medicine. Could be. Um but and maybe they use the. wrong arsenic or that's possible. I.

guess you you start trying the things. that you have, right? Mercury's a crazy. one though. Haven't they known that's. poison forever? Like it wasn't that quicks though. They. used wasn't it in the same thing or no? I don't know. It's a fascinating metal. because it's liquid. It's a liquid metal. and a lot of people played with it when. they were kids. I know some of the. smartest people I know talk about how. they played with the mercury ball when. they were little. Yikes. Um and it's in. thermometers and obviously it works. quite well. There's there's a use for. mercury. Um, but the reason that um that.

that it's put into the it was actually. in the MMR vaccines and some of the flu. vaccines is because it's an. antimicrobial. It'll kill everything. So. maybe that was part of that. It will. kill everything. It will kill the. microbes in a petri dish. So in order to. because this is one of the realities of. vaccine manufacturer which I want your. audience to understand is that vaccines. while it might look like just a clear. liquid in order to make a vaccine you. have to have either a cow that you put. ulcers on and scrape the pus off um or.

you can evolve it as it had evolved to. um maybe getting um you know some. tumorous cells that came out of a cocker. spaniel's kidney or monkey balls or uh. or monkey kidneys and you plate those. cells cells out and then you inoculate. it with what you want to grow to put in. your vaccine later. But in order to keep. those cells alive, you have to put. animal blood on it. You have to put. different nutrients on top of it. You. have to put antibiotics, canycin, you. know, things like that related to the.

COVID here, mercury. Okay? So in the end. you can kill you can make sure when you. have your final product that if you put. a little bit of mercury in there that. it's less likely for any of the fungus. or the spores or the bacteria or the. adventicious viruses that you didn't. know about that were there before will. be in your final product. Wonderful. So, you have a product now that you can be. not completely sure has any of these um. um deadly microbes, but now has mercury, which the only places it's actually okay. to have on a on the planet mercury is in.

vaccines, your tooth or toxic landfill. So, if you were to drop a vaccine at a. vaccine clinic onto the floor, the. hazmat guys will come and you you're not. allowed to just pick it up if it's got a. if it's a mercury containing vaccine. the hazmat people have to come and take. that away. Yet, we're okay to take, you. know, sec a portion of that vial and. inject it into, you know, a child, a. three-month old. child. How does that work? It doesn't. sound logical. Sixmonth old actually.

There was also the the issue with the. different types of mercury, right? There. was is it methyl and ethl, the two. different methyl. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently, ethl is good and methyl is. bad according to Paul Offett, senior. vaccine scientist. Uh but the fact of. the matter is um once once mercury's. methylated and like fish fish can. methylate mercury and they can get rid. of it. Um once we demethylate mercury. it's it's in us until you do something. like something called chelation where. you can put a chemical into the body.

that can grab onto it and pull it out. through your urine. Otherwise you're. stuck with it. Uh so in my opinion all. mercury is bad. um shouldn't be put into. humans, shouldn't be in our food. sources, shouldn't be in our environment. except for in the na. Look, you can even. find uranium in nature, right? It's what. people do to it to concentrated and how. they use it that becomes a problem. Wasn't the the issue that one of them, I. don't know, it's methyl or ethyl. mercury, um leaves the body quicker. Yes, it's ethyl mercury that leaves the.

body quicker because methyl is a it's a. it's a chemical that gets put onto it um. naturally and apparently um I'm not an. expert on mercury poisoning but u. apparently methyl mercury we don't have. the ability to excrete but ethyl mercury. we do um yeah but wasn't there also an. issue that it crosses the blood brain. barrier well anytime there's. inflammation anything can cross the. bloodb brain barrier. um with the it's the aluminum that we.

really know crosses the bloodb brain. barrier um and that's still in vaccines. today and um yeah anyway we'll get into. bloodb brain barrier if you want to. that's a whole it's a whole other story. um but yeah so mercury obviously it can. get into the brain it's it's it's found. in the brain it can get into you know. your adrenals and your other glands and. important areas of your body and even. the thing is that even at such low. levels can cause problems known neuro. toxin. There's no has no place for.

circulating or being deposited in the. human body in any form. But isn't it. fascinating that they've done such a. good job promoting this that people are. going to get outraged at what you're. saying? They've done such a good job to. my life. and you've got a lot of courage and I. want to commend you for that because. writing that book and and being here. talking about it takes a lot of courage. and it's from regular people who want to. believe the vaccine. They're scarier. than anybody. the people that are just. raid vaxers and they want they they.

stand for science like they're the. warriors for science and they get very. aggressive about it and they don't even. want to breach the subject. They don't. even want to look at it cuz the more you. look at it if you're a logical rational. person without like a deep-seated. ideology attached to vaccines and you. just looked at the reality of it you. just go what what is this like how did. you trick people into injecting. How many a year now for kids? What is. it? In the 70s. We're in the se I.

believe we're in the 70s. That's insane. Yeah, that's And then you want to. demonize anybody who says anything about. vaccine side effects. You are the. craziest of cooks. They come down you. with the hardest publicity campaign. It's so transparent. You see it coming a. mile away and you're still shocked by. how blatant it is. And no one wants to. look at the actual issue itself. And no. one wants to say like, well, is she. right? If you read your book, is she.

right? If you're right, and I think. you're right. Like, we've been lied to. and we've been tricked into thinking. that this is all settled science. And. that's what's infuriating. It's not that. it's anti-science. It's like this is not. science. What you guys are doing is not. science. You've subverted. you've you've. perverted that notion and you've you've. done it in an amazing way. I mean, hats. off to you. What the what they've done. in terms of like brainwashing people to.

believe that all this. is it's not just necessary, but it saved. millions of lives. And anybody that is. against it in any way, shape, or form is. a quack and you should be deplatformed. and never talked about again. And polite. public society and cocktail parties, you'll be shunned. Yeah. Well, the way. they were able to get away with it is. 226 years worth of propaganda. Um, because the fact of the matter is that. ever since the beginning of the smallox. vaccines, there have been vaccine. deaths. Um, the reason, and look, we.

we've added I brought you a a special. copy. This is a limited edition. Um, in. the 10th anniversary edition, we added. 200 pages and we added a chapter called. the white plague. The white plague is. also tuberculosis. Tuberculosis was a. side effect of the um of the smallox. vaccine. uh tuberculosis rates were. rampant and and in fact the the the. inventor of the smallox vaccine um his. child died of tuberculosis and so did. his two test subjects that he used and. it was well known to follow smallox lots.

of doctors talked about it but um in in. about two or three years after the. vaccine was um accepted in in England uh. you hear doctors speaking out about it. cursing the day they ever agreed to do. it to people to children to anybody and. so But what happened is that the. government came down harder and started. making it mandatory and would take your. furniture away and started intimidating. the doctors. And that's an age-old thing. as well. And I experienced it and any. doctor that's ever stepped out of of of. line and said something bad about.

vaccines will either be intimidated or. worse. Um, so 220 years of prop 226. years of propaganda and and so I'm just. going to give you one example and I and. I'll give you a copy of this to have and. you can put it up later if you want. But. in 1984 because there was so much so. much going on in terms of the public. learning about the problems with the. diptheria tetanus ptus vaccine and the. polio vaccines that a federal register. was issued by the government and went to. all health departments in the United. States which is supposed to been just.

kept there and never circulated and it. said quote any doubts whether or not. wellfounded about the safety of the. vaccination program must not be allowed. to exist. That's literally what it said. It's straight out of um you know Lennon. Um so you had that and then you have the. changing of the goalpost and the app. outright lies within scientism because. it's not science. It's the religion that. that's calls itself science and we still. are a victim of that today. Um most.

science today is sponsored by the very. people that are going to profit from it. And and that I think even look even. Jenner who invented the small pox. vaccine never did a scientific study. He. never did a controlled study. He never. did nonvaccinated people vaccinated. people and then exposed them to small. pox and in a in a large enough group. He. would cowpox them and then expose them. to small pox. And it was well known that. small pox followed cowpox. Uh so it it's. just been a look again I never expected.

to be here. I just wanted to be a. healer. I just wanted to be a doctor. I. wanted to be a nefrologist and teach. medical students and make the world a. better place for people. That's all I. ever wanted. This is a nightmare for me. actually to while while I've met some. incredible people and and I've had a. really good life and I have no regrets. and I would do it all again. No doctor. wants to be put in a position where. their integrity is doubted. Um their. sanity is doubted. And if you want to. pull up a page um called um it is.

called rational wiki I think maybe um. wikip uh anyway I'm considered as a Sith. Lord a very um and in fact I didn't know. what a Sith Lord was back then I had to. actually look it up so I'm like Darth. Vader so a bit it was a bit of a. compliment but on the other hand most. doctors can't tolerate being called. quacks or having the reputation. destroyed and and you know I went from. treating the CEO of of actually the uh. the head of the laboratory at my.

hospital for hypertension to becoming. you know somebody that was doubted on. every levels after a while because of. one thing that I said which was can we. stop giving vaccines to my sick patients. to people who are having um chemotherapy. while they're having chemotherapy to my. patient before I've even seen them on. the ward can we just can we just hold. this up and give it to them on the day. of discharge that was my request in the. beginning that's how this all landed. here and had they not tried to. intimidate me, doubt me, and pushed me. to research and show that what I saw was.

actually real, I would still be locked. step working as a regular doctor because. there were some good things about it. So, the the look, even if you look at. what happened with COVID, let's just. look at that. Like, how did how did they. pass this off? Look at the media today. Do you know that they're giving COVID. vaccines to six-month-old children now? We know how bad it is. We know that it. ruins stem cells in pregnant women. They. don't give stem cells to their babies. is the industry is upset because the. placentas no longer have stem cells and. they used to use those stem cells in. research and cosmetics etc. They're not.

getting them anymore because what the. COVID shots did to the placentas and. those infants. That's not being talked. about in the media. Nothing bad about. the shots being talked about when we. have Kevin McCern and all these people. looking at it going there's SV40 in it. There was a stafaloccoal endotoxin gene. There were two snake genes in there. You. know it's a definite gain of function. Nope. We got to put it on the vaccine. the baby vaccine schedule because any. doubts whether or not wellunded about. the vaccination must not be allowed to. exist. That's why that sounds like a.

religion. It sounds like a cult. It. sounds like a crazy cult that the whole. world's been sucked into. Giving a COVID. shot to a baby today is insane. Three of. them. They get three by the certain I you'd. have to look up the schedule, but I I. believe it starts at six months and they. get three of them kind of boom boom. boom. Are doctors really recommending. this? It's it's on the it it look. there's there's a group of people called. ACIP the doctors usually with with um. vaccine interests in their bank accounts.

that make the recommendations for the. vaccines and they've recommended that. that six-month-old. So if your doctor is. following the ACIP program, you have to. be offered that vaccine. And now that. doctor, this is another part of the. story, is that doctor's likely to lose. $250,000 a year if they don't do that. because there's incentive given to. hospitals and doctors, which is what. naively I was on the other end of when I. woke up in 2008 and said, "Wait a. minute. Why are we doing this stuff to. my sick, inflamed patients? You're. giving more inflammation." Um, it's.

because the hospital would lose. something like $40,000 if they didn't. give a vaccine within the first 24 hours. of admission. Oh my god. and they would get 40,000 if it was all. a money game. That's really the bottom. line of it. And I didn't know that until. a nurse years ago uh who was a highlevel. administration she said, Suzanne, this. is why they do they did that to you. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, at least it makes sense. now. Nobody wants to think of it as a. business. Nobody wants to think you're. making business decisions at the expense.

of someone's health and and possibly. whether or not they make it. Like, what. are you what are you doing? Well, that. that's been the case since, you know, basically the the medical profession was. infiltrated in the early 1900s by, you. know, high level interests that that. didn't want us thinking for ourselves. and carrying on with the natural cures. that actually work, carrying on with. normal midwifery. Um, there was just so. many changes that happened as a result. of best practice medicine, not to. mention, you know, the forming of the.

AMA by a couple of real quacks. Um, that's a really good story. And the AMA. would give their stamp of approval. So. say you created an infant formula, well. it would say AMA approved and your. infant formula would sell even better. Or remember when doctors smoked camels. cuz camels were best. Those were the days. And this is also. the time when this coincides with when. Rockefeller was designing the school. system. Right. Well, first Rockefeller I think oil was.

one of their primary. So that's the. pharmacy aspect of it. That's right. Yeah. Oh, so so you want to talk about. the school system? No, but he did both, right? He was a part of both. So he was. a part of he the the reason why natural. cures are so easily dismissed and why. it's so dismissed because Rockefeller. put the entire medical establishment on. oilbased. That's right. So all. pharmaceutical drugs that are made by. using oil. Yeah. And he did it because. he sold oil. You know that want to know. the irony? It kind of works. Yeah. Yeah. Like I got I got rid of a really bad.

case of mange in a dog by kerosene. putting kerosene diluted in olive oil. and and they had been through. everything. They could not get rid of. this mange on this beautiful dog. Oh. wow. Um Corso dog and uh yeah so uh. mange is horrible for dogs. Oh really. bad. But one spray it was was done. I. had a dog that I picked up. You have to. keep careful around the like you know. flames and stuff. I had one a dog that I. picked up off the street and uh took her. in and she had horrible mange. But it. all went away with just food. I just. gave her healthy food. No, it can't,

Joe. Come on. You had to have an expert. help you. No kerosene, no nothing. Just. love food. That was an argument I had in. a hallway once with the senior um chief. of medicine. He was he was like he would. always say, "So, how are you today?". Normally be like, "Good." You know, superficial conver. I said, "By the way, I'm having real trouble with, you know, the H1N1 vaccine, my patients getting um. kidney failure after getting it." And he. and he turned dark on me. I never saw. him dark before. And he said, "No, they. just didn't have time to take effect.".

And of course, then I heard every kind. of sound bite in the book from him, which I didn't know were sound bites at. the time. And then he said, "Well, what. do you think has happened with menitis. and these these college kids?" I'm like, "Oh, come on. That's a total. no-brainer." It's like their nutrition. goes down the tubes when they leave. home. They're smoking. They're staying. up all night long. They're hanging out. with their pals. They're doing. everything they couldn't do when they. were at home. Oh, you got to be kidding. me. So, you think it's their food that's. that's that's causing problems? And I. was like, "Well, what medical school did. you go to?" Like, I was actually taught. that nutrition matters and how it. matters and why it matters. But that's.

been almost completely thrown. Like, if. you're if you want to sneak a vitamin C. into somebody's hospital room, you know. the best way to do it? Don't bring in a. jar of vitamin C because they will stop. that at the door. You get yourself a. McDonald's milkshake or a burger and you. just dump that milkshake out and you put. something else in there as smoothies. with some vitamin C and they will say. off you go. That's perfectly fine. That's going to be great for this. person, this child. That's how you can. get it in because they think that. McDonald's is wonderful. In fact, McDonald's are kind of situated proximal. to a lot of hospitals and the McDonald's.

Ronald McDonald houses are there and. everything else. uh but bring in a. homeopathic or you know magnesium or. vitamin C and you've got to get. permission for it and go through so much. red tape and a lot of time you'll be. told no you can't give it because oh. you'll cause bowel necrosis you'll cause. diarrhea you'll cause kidney stones. everything in the book that doesn't. actually happen with vitamin C but it's. what most look they've measured vitamin. C levels on people that enter hospitals. and pretty much everybody's deficient or.

on the border of deficient when they. enter and pretty much everybody when and. they leave as got borderline scurvy if. not full full scurvy. Fortunately, they. go home and start doing other things and. can rebuild some of their vitamin C. scores. But there there is a there's a. lot of subclinical scurvy walking around. out there and those are the people that. are going to have do the worst with the. vaccine and the worst they're going to. do the worst with subclinical scurvy in. modern society just from poor diet. Well, you know, it's not just the poor. diet. So any kind of stress will consume.

uh vitamin C. Uh a cigarette will. consume 75 milligrams of vitamin C. And. they tell you that you only need 190. milligrams a day. That's the FDA. requirement. Wow. Uh so you just have a. few cigarettes and you've depleted your. your stores. So we don't make our own. vitamin C as uh humans humans and guinea. pigs, you know, that's we don't we don't. do that. And so we have to consume it. and we're reliant upon our fruits and. vegetables or supplements to do or if. you eat organ meat you can eat the. adrenals are loaded with it. But uh. aside from that it's your fruits and.

vegetables that that are going to give. it to you. Um so if if you're under a. lot of stress or you're taking. medication or you have a lot of. inflammation or arthritis whatever. that's going to consume vitamin C. because vitamin C is an antioxidant as. well as an antiviral and you know good. for your nerve nervous system. Uh, so. yeah, most people are walking around. skimming the the edge. If you have, you. can see kind of a red line on some. people's gums. They're probably vitamin. C deficient. If your gums are bleeding a. lot when you floss, you probably need. some vitamin C. Um, and you know, you.

could have an infection, too. But it. will deal to the infection as well as. the integrity and the collagen inside of. your bones and your soft tissues. I. mean, it's it's like one of those things. that's so important, it should be given. upon admission to every hospital. And. what's really crazy is if you're one of. those people that thinks that all you. need is a a balanced diet and you're. eating like a piece of chicken and some. lettuce. Yeah. Like that there's no. vitamin C in any of that or not enough. Probably not enough. Yeah. Just won't do. it. Yeah. Yeah. If you're if you're not. consuming like some sort of liposomaal.

vitamin C supplement, if you're not. taking something on top of that, you're. probably not at an optimal level to. survive anything, which is it's also. it's like part of why we have so many. metabolic diseases. We have bad. metabolic health. We have metabolic. diseases. Like they should it should be. super obvious like oh, everyone's like. really unhealthy and doesn't have any. nutrients in their system and they're. all getting really sick from all these. different things. Yeah. Huh. Yeah, but. everyone's like, "No, you need medicine.

You need a shot. You need a this. You. need a that. You need to get on this. You need to get off that and get back on. this.". And you're a hippie. If you want to just. eat kiwi fruits and get your vitamin C. from that or have oranges or broccoli, oh my gosh, broccoli makes you a total. hippie. Or kale. Forget about it. Um, nuts. No. See, we have a different kind. of malnutrition today than than we. describe in the book. Back then it was. people were toxic from basically. drinking poop water and being being. worked to death and having diseases all.

around them. Um and so they were protein. calorie. malnutrition as well as vitamin as well. Today we have kind of disnutrition, you. know, like Dys, disnutrition, and that. everyone's fat. So, you don't they don't. really look malnourished pretty much. You know, you you go on a cruise or you. go to the beach, you even have big. bellies now. Big belly is the thing. What was that? I said go to Burke. Chryser's house. Who's that? That's my. friend. Okay. He's going to hate that. you don't know who he is.

But, you know, so today we've got. inflamed guts from, you know, glyphosate. and, you know, the wheat that's been. altered to to make us inflamed and and. then just the chemicals that are added. to our food and the the vitamins that. actually don't help us and set us back. that are fortifying our, you know, bread. and milk, lack of vitamin D. So, we have. a different kind of a problem, but. essentially causing the same bodily. dysfunction. Yeah. The wheat thing I. used to think was nonsense until I uh. ate pasta and bread in Italy and I was.

like, "Okay, why do I feel so much. better?" Yeah. Why do I not feel like I. just ate poison? Cuz I love like pizza. Oh, I love it. I love lasagna. I love. it. I love it. It's so good. But after. it's over, I'm like I'm incapacitated. for like an hour or two. for like a. twohour period, you're just like a. shadow of yourself just Yeah. And you. you think, "Oh, maybe it's just the high. carbs." But you just proved that it.

wasn't because in Italy you were okay. with it. I ate a whole pizza in Italy. and I was waiting for it. I was like, "I'm going to eat this margarita pizza. It's so good. They made it in the brick. oven." I was like, "This is so good. I'm. eating the whole pizza. I don't care. I. don't care what it's going to feel like. afterwards." I ate that whole pizza and. then I was like, "Where's it? Is it. coming?" It waiting for Never came. Never came. I felt normal. I felt like I. just ate food. I was like, "This is. nuts." Like no crash. Yeah. The bread in. Scandinavia, same. That's what people. used to eat. People don't know that. That What's that? I said, "That's what.

people used to eat." It is like real. real food. People need to understand. like what they did was, and this is. according to um Maynard from Tulle. Do. you know Maynard Keenan, the lead singer. of Tulle? No. Uh he actually runs a. farm. He uh he has vineyards and he has. like uh like he's Kaduciius is his wine. label and he's like really good at. growing things and because he has a. restaurant. He was explaining to me that. what they did is they just engineered it. to have higher yield. So they put more. it's got more complex glutens in it. So.

it's not the normal organic wheat that. grows in Italy where they don't have. genetically modified crops. Right. So. you can still get that flour and you can. still get that pasta from Italy and it's. much more consumable. Yeah, definitely. But the American stuff is just thick. It's just your body's like, "What is. this?" It just comes in like sludge. It. is interesting. It feels like I ate. glue. That's what it always feels like. when it's over. Unless it's um really. good sourdough bread. That doesn't seem. to have that. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of. agree. Like I'm not gluten sensitive,

but I I definitely feel more awake when. I don't have it. Yeah. It's not good on. holiday or when you want to go to sleep. Delicious. I know. I know. It's so. delicious. But this is also a problem. and this goes back to when R.J. Reynolds. was going through all their stuff with. uh the lawsuits that were coming from. people realizing, "Oh my god, cigarettes. give you cancer. They're not good to. like smoke if you have emphyma. I. thought they were good for add some. arsenic and it' be great." There was a. movie and I forget what movie it was and. it Thank you for smoking. Well, there's.

that. But there was a movie where uh. Leonardo DiCaprio was young and he was. sick and his doctor was prescribing. cigarettes to him. And like the mother. was saying, "Did you smoke your. cigarettes that the doctor told you to. you?" Like you're not smoking like you. need to keep up your health like Well, you know, there's something to that. because you know about the nicotinic. receptors and you know the smokers got. less COVID than the rest of us and I did. a protective effect. Well, also doesn't. nicotine kill CO like people were saying.

that nicotine No. So that's what it is. That's how it kills it. But what. happens? So So the spike of COVID, which. is the evil part of COVID, has all these. horrible lab engineered proteins encoded. into them. And two of them are snake. toxin proteins that bind onto your. nicotinic receptors. Okay? So, if you. can smoke nicotine or take nicotine gum, then you're going to block those. receptors up. So, so that so you can. trade off some of the stuff that's from. the SP. What about like nicotine pouches.

like these kind of like that would. probably if you're having, you know, long COVID or, you know, any kind of. postcoid syndrome um that's related to. the nicotinic receptors. You only know. by trying it. But listen, I always say. start small. Don't go out and be a hero. and, you know, take a whole dose at. once. Start with a quarter of whatever. it says and wait and see what happens. Yeah, because nicotine is a powerful. drug. Try a. cigar. Pick up the cigar. There you go. It's a wonderful habit. Um yeah, that. was an uncomfortable thing in the. beginning of CO. They were saying that.

for some reason smokers seem to be. having a much easier go of it. Like. what? How do you have a respiratory. disease where smokers are statistically. speaking uh getting less COVID? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've been around I. did a tour one time and there were two. heavy heavy smokers on the bus with me. and they were the only two people that. didn't come down with whatever flu all. the rest of us got. That not even that. flu couldn't even live in their throats. It's kind of makes sense if you think.

about it. Well, it changes the polarity. of your mucous membranes, the charge of. the cells on your mucous membranes. And. that's probably part of why the even the. viruses can't adhere properly. We're not. encouraging cigarettes. No, we're not at. all. But we are saying it's But if you. are, it should be noncured, naturally. cured. Oh, like American Spirits, like. those kind of deals. I get all my. smoking friends to convert to that. brand. Does that help? Totally. Come on. Are you kidding me? You know how many. horrible carcinogens there are? Do you. know back in the native days when they. were smoking and and people were smoking. natural cigarettes? It was almost.

unheard of for them to develop lung. cancer, right, with a natural tobacco. Uh, American Spirit cigarettes are not. I'm sorry. They're they're absolutely. wrong. It is. It's marketed as natural. and additive free, which may lead people. to believe that they are a safer option. However, there's no scientific evidence. to support this claim. They may even. have higher levels of nicotine than some. other brands, but the nicotine is not. the problem. So, that's exactly right. Just by them saying that there that. leads me to think that this might be. propaganda because saying that nicotine. is not the problem that that's or rather.

saying that they have might have more. nicotine. Okay. Oh, I'm just But I. understand. But AI should understand. that. he smokes. I know. I know he does. I'm. I'm just saying AI doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that it's. saying they might have more nicotine, but that doesn't matter. They're not. addressing that to skip time to save. time so we don't have to go through. Oh, no, no, no. I'm not saying to you. I'm. just saying to them like what what. they're writing seems to kind of be. silly. Marketing of American spirits as.

natural can create a false sense of. healthiness which may make it more. difficult for people to quit smoking. I. think smoking companies wrote this. I. think the other companies fed this. information. Well, people spitting up blood on the. packages and stuff. Do you see? Oh, in. England you get those. No, they have it. now. Oh, they have America here. They. used to have it in England. You go to. England and they had photos of people. with like rotten face. That's where I. first saw it, but it's moved to the rest. of I know. It's hilarious. It's like, can they still buy them and. smoke them? Well, the the interesting.

thing is, and I'm glad you brought this. up, um, is just cancer in general. Like, there's things that cause cancer. that they're just everywhere in and. there's a lot of things in the. environment can cause cancer, but. sometimes things get into medications. that can cause cancer. And what is what. is SV40? I just wrote down SP40 while. you were talking. Um, and I'm g I'm just. going to give you an example of what.

you're saying is correct. And the fact. of the matter is is that all cancers in. humanity have gone up since the. inception of vaccination. And my. opinion, my educated opinion is that our. lifespan should be 120 years. And I. think with the knowledge that we have. and the and the wealth that we have on. this planet, the ingenuity we have on. this planet, we should be able to be. touching the 120 year mark more commonly. than we do. Um so when vaccines started. um coming into humanity, we were in we. started introducing uh animal disease. into humanity through the skin and then. we started doing interuscular injections.

uh after the hypodermic needle was. created and then you started having. deeper injections of h of of animal. disease and of chemicals and and. mercuries and things like that. Uh so. along comes polio research and the polio. vaccine uh even to this day is made on. African green monkey kidney. cells. Now the African green monkey. kidneys early on were basically taken. out of their wild habitat in India and. millions of monkeys were brought uh to.

the USA for use. Unbeknownst to them and. discovered by a scientist named Dr. Bernice Eddie is that there was a a. cancer-causing entity inside of the uh. inside of the the substrate that they. were using to make the vaccine on the. petri dishes. And that entity was Simeon. virus 40 SV40 called SV40 because before. there were 39 others discovered before. it. Now we're up over 100. Um so that. information was suppressed heavily.

Bernice Eddie was offered a ticket to. wherever she wanted to go and as much. money as she wanted and she said no I'm. staying. Long story short is they just. kept taking her away from her work and. distracting her and there was another. doctor Jay Anthony Morris as well. Um. anyway so SV40 was around and then. Maurice Hillerman validated it later and. said it came from the African green. monkey kidneys. Now it's benign in the. African green monkey SV40. It is not. benign in human beings. In human beings. it was called the perfect war machine by. Dr. Michelle Carboni who was one of the.

primary researchers looking at the. carcinogenic potential of Simeon virus. 40. So, Simeon virus 40 would have been. in the um live polio vaccines because. there was nothing to kill it. Uh but it. was more most likely also in the killed. and African green monkey cells are. actually still a listed ingredient on. vaccines. So, you can go ahead and look. that up. It's a fact. So how this affects me is that um I'm a. I'm a kidney specialist and I looked at. the curve of kidney cancers that have.

gone up since the inception of uh vac. polio vaccines and SV40 introduction. So. what this virus does it is it enhances. two cancer promoting genes and it. inhibits two cancer suppressors. Okay, that's why it's called the perfect war. machine. So that was in the vaccines. that were injected. And so the the bad. news is that we don't need vaccines to. give it to us anymore because we're. going to give it to each other forever. and it's never going anywhere. That was. introduced to humanity like a lot of. other diseases were through vaccination.

We can give it to our kids. We can give. it to each other. It comes out in the. urine. And so it lives in the green. monkey kidneys. It lives in our kidneys. As a kidney specialist, there were a lot. of mysterious diseases. Uh lo and. behold, there was some research into. some of them. And the research was just. put this is the other thing the research. that that's really important just gets. killed. The funding gets killed in terms. of SV40 kidney cancers. There's no doubt. that the rate of kidney cancers has gone. up alongside with the um with the. infection rate of humanity for SV40 as.

well as diseases like glomeular. nephritis which they do find the. pathogen um genetic material inside and. they and even in the old days they found. it in the tumors but not the surrounding. areas. So that just tells you that it. was a stimulant for the tumor cells to. just start uh propagating. Uh so that's. that's just one of the things that. that's just one of many many of the. obvious ones. And even though it's been. well defined in the medical literature, you will see still see that they only. admit that it causes methylomas and one.

other thing. Not that it causes all the. other things that it does that it's been. shown to cause in the other medical. literature that got its funding revoked. So SV40 is now contagious amongst. people. Absolutely. Yeah. We probably. both have it. Most of us probably have. had it one time or other. You know, whether it's lying dormant in our. kidneys, it depends on it. Everything. depends on your background immunity, which depends on what you're doing for. fun and not fun and how you're eating. and how much you're sleeping, etc. How.

much sun you're getting. Sweating. Sweating gets rid of a lot of stuff. It's really good to sweat. It's just such a disturbing thought that. this was introduced to people through. vaccines and now it's spreading. And. what is the what's the like the worst. health impact that it could have if it. spreads to you and not through a vaccine. if you didn't get it through this. vaccine and you just get it from another. person like oh it's the same thing. It's. not going to make much difference in. terms it'll it'll gravitate to your. kidneys. Um obviously it probably goes.

to lung as well. Brain brain tumors were. a big problem with it um back in the. polio days. Dr. Michelle Carboni was. looking at the brain tumors uh with. that. There's a really good book called. The Virus and the Vaccine by Bookchin. and Schumacher. It's a incredible book. that details everything about those. years, the scientists involved, the. suppression, the oppression, the lies, the skull duggery. Then they would bring. in the scientists who had no experience. in actually detecting SV40 and lo and. behold, he couldn't find it. And he was. the one that got to make the ultimate.

statement on whether SV40 causes human. disease or not. I just how could they keep injecting. that into people if they know this? Oh, and this the stocks that contained SV40. were still um basically being used by. the vaccine manufacturers up into the. 1990s and probably beyond because. there's two different kinds of SV40. You're making me remember a whole bunch. of things that I thought I forgot, but. there's the um there's the fast dividing. and there's the slow dividing. There's.

two different kind of strains of it. and. the original test. So when they made a. vaccine, they would test it for 14 days. looking for SV40. If it didn't have it, off you went. Your your vaccine was good. to go. But the problem is there was a. slower dividing SV40 that remained in. the vaccines that were injected and. probably in the stocks that are the. stock is basically like your your your. mother tincture or whatever. It's what. you use to kind of inoculate all the new. batches over time. And so the stocks. were found that's again quote Dr. um.

attorney Stanley Cop's quote in the book. about the uh SV40 still being in the. stock up and through the 1990s. And you. know, God only knows if there's if it's. still if they're still using those same. stocks. I don't know because I haven't. gone into to the more modern times of. SV40. But yeah, we all have it. And. there's no doubt in my mind that it's. just like another one of the things that. the parasites have finally pretty much. put into us to set us back. demons. It's like like real world.

demons. It's so crazy that someone would. know this and still have this as an. ingredient in a vaccine. Well, they'll. say that it was it was just an. unfortunate set of events that happened. because they took wild monkeys from. India. See, I could work for them. Uh. that's their excuse. And they say, "We. we cleaned it up. You know, we started. our own monkey colonies and we started. breeding our own monkey colonies that. were now found to be free of SV40." Um. the only problem with that is that as I. said they had already inoculated. humanity and and it's it's with a virus.

that can be spread u vertically and. horizontally as the scientists would. describe meaning we've all given it to. each other. Um I think they're going to. be very few people walking around today. that haven't been introduced to it. Have. there ever been a comparison of um. precancer rates prev40 and post SV40? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I did is I I in one of my. videos I did that and and looked at the. cancer rates since they were you know so. again what they'll say is oh well we. just didn't look at the rates beforehand. but the the rates were quite low before.

like you can you can know what the. surgical what the nefrectomies were so. it's kind of an easy thing to look at. because that's the treatment for kidney. cancer you take the kidney out um. because you got another kidney and it's. a slow growing tumor even though it can. metastasize but anyway um I did look and. the the the the the rate has skyrocketed. for kidney cancers. Pretty much. everybody knows somebody who had a. kidney cancer. And that was not common. No. And also these protein losing.

diseases, which is again it's not. controversial. It was documented when. they looked at the the areas that were. affected in the kidney which with with. these horrible disease that makes people. lose the proteins that need to stay in. their blood in their body out into their. urine that the SV40 was related to that. It's called focal segmental. glomeularoscerosis and it's a real. problematic disease in children and. adults. Ultimately you have to go on. horrible chemotherapy drugs that ruin. your immune system and then. transplantation if you can't stay on top.

of it. Big money maker. Now, do I think. that that was the purpose? I look, I. don't know what was in the hearts and. minds. I don't know what was accidental. and what wasn't. But I do know that. there was intentional suppression of the. truth. Any doubts whether or not. wellunded must not be allowed to exist. That is a fact and it's always been that. way. And there have been scientists and. doctors talking about that since the. beginning of vaccination. It's just too horrible to believe for. most people, I think. And then also, yes, you're correct. It goes against.

religious dogma, you know, especially. with uh people that are like firmly on. the left. Yeah. Trusting the science and. trusting the experts. Those are those. are two things at the front. Yeah. It's. kind of a childlike situation that. humanity, most of humanity is in is that. there, you know, I think most people are. good and they want to believe everybody. else is good and they want to believe. that the government is looking out for. them. And it's a really it's a kind of. horrifying. Imagine if it was true that. your government actually wasn't looking. out for you and that might be the one of.

the causes of your decreasing lifespan. Imagine that if the government might not. care so much if your baby ends up with. no stem cells or your baby gets cancer. or autism which will be outright deni I. mean look at autism. Hello. Like, do we. how many there I don't even where to. start with that. But that was another. thing where there was no doubt whether. or not wellunded allowed to exist when. it came to autism. And every autistic. parent parent of an autistic child will. tell you this. Everyone that's tried to.

lobby and get to the truth with autism. will tell you that the brick walls and. the plexiglass and the lead walls that. went down were intense and still are. intense. And the the lying studies that. they use to uphold vaccines don't cause. autism are so easy to dismantle. But you. know, Joe, you know, the lie gets around. the earth three times before the truth. has a chance to get out of bed. And and. that's is pretty much what happens when. the media uh is owned. And like you're. you're like one of the cracks in the. matrix here. Quite frankly, I think for.

a lot of people, it's too horrible to. believe, especially if they have an. autistic child, that this was caused by. a vaccine. I know a guy who told me that. he believes the vaccine had an impact on. his child having autism and then later. was shaming people for not taking the. COVID vaccine. That's how strong the impulse is and. that's how good the propaganda was and.

that's how cowardly a lot of people are. when it comes to fighting against a. narrative. They get very scared of being. socially ostracized and they they just. they can't speak their mind. They can't. tell the truth and they'll whisper it to. maybe this one guy that they're friends. with like, "Hey, you know, I don't I. don't want to take it, man, but I have. to for work." Like, yeah, I don't want I. don't trust them either. But, you know, sh don't tell anybody I said that. You. know, you don't want anybody thinking. you're on the bad side. And we all saw. the propaganda on television. There's. some amazing montages that people have. put together lately of people saying.

horrible things about the vaccinated. people, unvaccinated people, horrible. things, saying that it's uh it may be. ghoulish to laugh when unvaccinated. people die, but may it might be. necessary. Like what? Well, a few of us. have to take one for the team. It's it. was just the weirdest propaganda. campaign and people were doing the job. of the man. It wasn't the man forcing. the people to do this thing. It was. people doing the job of the man and.

going after the people that hadn't. stepped in line. And I think for a lot. of people, it's like they felt terrible. that they had to do it. But if they did. it, now I'm righteous. Now I'm I'm on. the good side. Why don't you do it, too, man? I [ __ ] did it. You should do it, too. You're [ __ ] selfish. And you get. a lot of that, you know. You get a lot. of people who they know they made a. mistake and they want you to make that. mistake, too, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it. would be good to know what really goes. through their heads. I I think CO was. again it was unique. Um, but when you. talk to parents who have autistic.

children, the vast majority of them not. only know absolutely without a doubt. that their child became autistic, usually within 24 to 48 hours after a. certain vaccine, uh, but that every. doctor told them it wasn't the case. And. then they go digging deep into the. scientific literature and learn how to. sometimes resuscitate that child's brain. or detox them and then recover them. And. then they're they're they're they're. actually beaten up even worse for doing. that because to be because they're just. neurodeiverse. You know, there's nothing. wrong with your child. They're just. quirky. No, your child banging its head.

against the wall, walking around with a. baby bottle and a diaper at the age of. 18, your big hairy son doing that, that. is not neurodeiverse quirkiness. That is. a serious pathological disease that. probably could have been dealt to at the. time and should have been prevented, should have never happened. So most. parents that have that situation are on. fire. It's the it's a minority that will. say have the situation that you have. right now. Most of them that's a wake-up. call which is why they get beat up and. suppressed even worse than I do. Uh but. when it comes to COVID um there was the.

the psychological campaign I think was. was very effective in that people that I. would have never imagined took the jab. like friends of mine who I in a million. years would have I would have bet my. life that they would say no to it ended. up getting it. Didn't want it. were. really upset about it later, but. nonetheless didn't. Have they read your. book? Yes. I I see I didn't lose any. friends during COVID because I had. already lost them back in like 2009. Like my family and friends were solid. My tribe is here. But um yeah, so did.

but I still love this person and and and. and she's like really upset about it, but it's like it just shows you that the. psychological campaign like to to to get. into that person's brain was was really. in like But I don't know about you, but. there was They didn't. I never had a. doubt. I never I I was like, "Well, you're going to shut me down. Shut me. down. You going to stop me from. traveling? Go ahead. Stop me from. traveling." I hadn't read your book yet, and I was all gung-ho to get the. vaccine. And uh the UFC had allocated. 150 something vaccines for all their. employees. We were doing shows during.

the pandemic. So, I showed up in Vegas, uh asked for the shot. They said I. couldn't do it. I had to do it on. Monday, uh at the clinic. I couldn't do. it at the UFC. I was like, "Okay, fine.". Uh, and they said, "Can you come back in. two weeks and do it when during the next. UFC fight?" I said, "Fine, I'll do it. then." During that time, it got pulled. from the market for blood clots. Which. one? Which was Johnson and Johnson. Okay. And then two people I knew who got. it had strokes. Okay. In that two weeks. Yes. Well, you've got a few angels, don't you? Yeah. And I was like, hold.

on. And then my whole family got it. There was like a bunch of things that. happened. My whole family got it and. everybody was fine. And I didn't get it. And I was trying to get it. Like I had. sex with my wife. I I hugged my You. didn't get co No, I didn't get it. But. you didn't get the jab either. No. Yeah. No, I I didn't but I didn't get it first. time around. I was like, "This is. crazy." There was two days when I went. to the C because I was trying to get it. and which sounds horrible, but I was not. allowed to not get it. I just wanted to. get over it. Like my kids got over it so. fast. Like my one daughter was one day.

she had kind of a headache and she. tested for CO and she thought it was. hilarious. She started laughing, you. know. She's like, "Oh my god, I have. CO." But we had already told them it's. not dangerous for kids. Don't worry. about it at all. You know, because there. was a lot of kids that were talking. about getting vaccinated. I'm like, you. are not getting no for them. I was like, no way. Like, it's not I'll do it if I. have to work. What made you say no way? Like, what what did you think about it. that you didn't even want your child to. get it just in case? Totally. unnecessary. So, no need to risk it. Totally unnecessary. They got COVID. They got over it like that before the. vac before the vaccine. But this is.

before the vaccine. So, after that, I. was like, there's no way. Cuz there was. pressure from their friends to get. vaccinated. I was like, you're not. getting vaccinated. you have seven times. better immunity than someone who gets. vaccinated, which is proof. And this is. just antibodies, right? Which is, and. you enlightened me in your book to the. fact that there's cellular uh immunity. that's different than just antibodies. Antibodies is one type of immunity to. things, right? That's right. So, uh, it's that TH2 slant that we were talking.

about. For me with my kids, it's it's. like they're vaccinated, but we did it. on a delayed schedule because that's. what my doctor recommended and we had a. really good pediatrician and it worked. out great. They're fine. But I was a wor. a little worried. I was I thought it was. quack-ike to be worried like this is. science like vacried about what about. what could vaccines could do to the. regular ones. Absolutely. And the. schedule the way they wanted to just. bang them up like real quick and with. weird ones like the hepatitis B one. That one was like when I hear that I'm.

like what are you talking about? You're. going to give a kid for a sexually. transmitted disease a vaccine when. they're a baby? A one day old baby. That's crazy. And also is their immune. system even working right? I mean will. it even accept this and turn it into an. antibbody? Like have you proved that? Like you're just jabbing kids. They've. proven that the child the infant will. make antibbody and that's all they ever. have to prove. What they don't ever want. to prove is that when when you give like. say your child had gotten a COVID. vaccine, there's something called.

original antigenic sin. They change the. term to linked epitope suppression. It. happens with flu shots. It happens with. lots of different vaccines is that if. you program your body to attack, you. know, the strain of vaccine that you're. a virus rather that you are um injecting. against and then a different strain. comes along, it actually has negative. efficacy. you're one that more likely to. succumb to terrible problems from the. infection than um because of your. vaccine rather than it actually. protecting you. And that's been a. well-known look, Anthony Fouchy writes.

about it. Morren and Fouchy wrote a. paper basically admitting everything. Um. I think it was in 2023 or 2024 about. these shots and he said the co shots are. exactly the same as the flu shots. Despite that, despite Fouchy and Morren. talking about how these shots would. never have been licensed if they were. held to the same standards of DPT, etc., that they don't provide lung immunity. They only provide blood immunity, negative efficacy. Their their. conclusion at the end of it is that we. must make better vaccines, more. effective vaccines to add to the already. existing vaccine program. It's not that.

we shouldn't do this. It's not that we. should pull this off the market. That's. always the logic. Again, you c they not. they never will admit to any problem. with vaccines to take it off the market. It's always adding to it, not removing a. vaccine at Okay, you think it was bad. Let's start six months now. Six-month. old babies with parents that are just. like you back in the day going okay if. you really think it's necessary because. oh granny doesn't want to catch COVID. We're going to do it. Yeah, that was the. logic. Worry about granny. But you know.

this is the great Bington Declaration, right? where those guys were like, "Why. don't we take the people that are. vulnerable and isolate them and treat. them and and care for them and not worry. so much about everybody else and not. shut society down because it's going to. have profound impacts and they were. called cooks." And that's what's crazy. It's like during the the the. the censorship was so rampant that. prominent scientists and physicians were.

removed from the social conversation. because they disagreed. People who are. the case though that's always been it's. just but when it's happening on social. media and it's so transparent these. people getting removed from Twitter. You're like this is wild. M this is so. then you find out that the government's. involved and the government contacted. them and asked them to take things down. You're like what are you what are you. saying? Like what this is nuts. Medical. papers were retracted. I mean there's. this one guy named Pradhan P R A D Han.

who um he showed that there is a GP120. uh protein on the uh spike and he said. it was an uncanny similarity to the. GP120 in HIV and that there was no way. that that would have come out of nowhere. and showed up in the 2019 COVID. epidemic. And he showed genetically how. that just couldn't possibly happen. A. flurry of emails went through the CDC. and to NIAD and to Fouchy and within six.

days of that paper being in pre-print, it was. removed six days and what we've got. we've got access from the Freedom of. Information Act to some of those emails. They're he bit heavily redacted. Uh but. that was the that was the series of. events that happened with that because. any doubts whether or not well founded. all the things you said about the COVID. vaccine uh I'm sure are correct and. true. But isn't it also different than. the vaccine that they used in the test? Yes. the vaccine that was produced for.

the general public uh I believe at least. when it comes to Fizer um they used. magnetic beads for purification. um which was totally different to what. they did for the one they gave to us and. they produced it using. um oh I can't remember exactly how they. produced it but they didn't use plasmids. and they didn't use you know all the all. the different components that were given. to us I I have a slide on that somewhere. that I could show you about there were. two aspects of the test vaccine that. were very different to the was both the.

production how they produced it and how. they quote purified it. And what's the. significance of the differences? Like. did they do it? Well, there was no they. just didn't have the plasma. They. wouldn't have had the lipopolysaccharide. with the DNA from the from the E.coli. that was in there that they told would. never get past our deltoid muscle and. would be disintegrated. Well, lipopolysaccharide actually is a transit. protein that can bring everything right. through through your cells into your our. cells are made of it's like a lipid on. the outside. So, that was the whole.

purpose was to shuttle this into your. cells. Not only that, but the the the. vaccine produced that that the plasmid. part of the vaccine that's injected into. you, the messenger RNA has a. substitution for something called. urodine. They call it pseudouodine. And. pseudoine was put in there because they. didn't want the immune system to destroy. the vaccine too quickly. They wanted it. to really be able to take hold of your. body so you could have a strong. response. Well, that's one of the. reasons why vaccinated people had such,

you know, horrible time with actual. corona virus when it did come. Um, and. one of the reasons why you didn't even. maybe you were exposed and you you don't. I don't know if you've had an antibbody. level tested. Um, but again, that's. another long history thing is people who. don't get sick while everyone else is. have been have been accused of. witchcraft and sorcerers in the past. Um, and sometimes hunted down and. killed, you know, in the times of. smallox, the groups of people that were. into cleanliness, there was that was a. real problem for them. I did do nasal. swabs to see if I had any uh antibodies.

I did do that and I didn't. Well, that. won't tell you antibodies. That just. that's a PCR. That would be your PCR. test or your rapid which one did you do? The one that goes rapid the rapid the. rapid antigen test. But that's only. going to tell you if you've got active. in your nose. What you want to know is. if your immune system again there's a. good use for antibodies sometimes. It's. not to see it's not not the end all and. be all in terms of your immunity, but it. will show that you have had an. experience inside of your body with. COVID. And well, what was bizarre to me.

was that there was this there was this. narrative that you were going to get it. no matter what. And that's why to stop. it from you getting it. Yeah. Well, was. this is before the vaccine was even. around. There was this there's this talk. that there's no way to not get it. Like. if it's around you, it's so contagious. you're going to get it. And that's why I. was shocked that I didn't get it when my. whole family got it. Like I said, I. didn't isolate at all. I did it on. purpose. Yeah. And I had two days in the. gym where I was sluggish. And so I was.

like, I feel kind of tired today, but a. weird tired. So I'm just going to go. through the motions. I just like really. light workout and the next day I felt. the same thing like yeah another light. workout. Let's just take it easy. No. need to push it. Just got to break a. little sweat. Never stressed myself. And. then the next day I felt great. I felt. 100%. Like I started working out. I was. like, "Oh, I felt good." And then I was. fine. I was like, "Okay, I guess I. didn't get it." And then everyone in my. family recovered. And then I went from. there to um a couple months later I was.

doing this uh gig in Florida and I was. up with my friend John Showman who's a a. pool he makes pool cues. Shout out to. John, good friend of mine. And uh we. were playing pool till like 5:00 in the. morning and I had like five margaritas. and we were having a good old time and. laughing a lot. And uh then that night I. was like, "Oh, I don't feel so good.". But it was alcohol and no sleep and. playing pool and you know and big shows. and giant arenas and flying on jets and.

being tired all the time. You know. that's what it was and then I got sick. But even then it was like a couple days. How was that? How close was that to the. time you just said you felt a little. tired in the gym that day? Few months. Okay. A few months difference. Yeah, it. was a few months cuz by that time the. vaccine had been out and this was uh I. guess the delta which was everybody was. like this is the bad one. The delta is. the bad one. You're supposed to be. fearful, you know. Yeah, it was uh it. was a shocking time for me because. before that I never would have guessed.

in a million years that uh I would be. even questioning other vaccines. I would. have never guessed that. I would have. told you that vaccines are one of the. most important inventions in human. history and it saved us from polio. same. with smallox. I would have been that guy. ranting off all all those statistics. I. would have told you that. Um but then I. read then I read your book. I read uh. sorry sorry I read Robert F. Kennedy's. book. I read your book and I started. reading uh Turtles All the Way Down. which uh also which is really.

interesting because they wrote another. book called Turtles All the Way Down and. someone else published it that has. almost the identical cover and that book. is a provaccine book. Nice. Like they. literally hijack they're like, "What do. we do?" Well, this is what we do. We. [ __ ] confuse the [ __ ] out of people. Make one with the exact same cover. Exact same cover, exact same name. Wow. And they made it a pro vaccine book. It's kind of wild. I mean, it's really. kind of ingenious. Like, what a great. way to like flood the market with. [ __ ] And um the RFK Jr. book was.

bananas. I mean, I people had told me to. read it. And my initial Fouchy book. Yes. My initial thought was that's that. guy that's like that antivaccine cook. That's what I thought and I've. apologized to him for that when when I. talked to him on the podcast. I I said. to him, I said I. I succumbed like everybody else did to. that the casual narrative. What's the. casual narrative? Oh, that RFK guy's a. k. Talks weird. Got a weird voice. He's. ruining the world's immunity. Yeah. Well, I had the same thing. Like, you.

know, when I was first waking up, I had. a friend who had unvaccinated kids. They. were part of a Steiner school and they. were like mutant freaks to me because. they had never been on an antibiotic. They were like bright and happy and. interactive and talented. And um at one. point one of them was playing with a. hammer and nail. And I said to her. mother, I was like, "You got to be. careful because she doesn't have a. tetanus vaccine." And someone in the. room said, "Well, Suzanne, what do you. know about tetanus?" And like in my. head, I'm I'm a full-fledged doctor at. this point. I thought, "I don't know.

anything about tetanus." And outside I. said, "I know you don't want to get it. and I know it'll cause lock jaw." And. then I started reading about tetanus. And I had to go back and, you know, kind. of apologize. And then I did a big. video. I have a big video out on tetanus. and the actual truth about the tetanus. vaccines and actual tetanas, which you. know, that's even harder for most. people. Like most people who don't want. to vaccinate their kids, they'll. vaccinate for tetanas if they can get a. single shot. And second only to polio. Everybody's got their two vaccines at. their their two diseases they're afraid. of for their kid that makes them feel. like they're at least doing something.

Well, the polio one always gets thrown. in my face. Yeah, they say it all all. the time, right? About polio. Yeah. And. I just go, I don't have the time to do. this. Thank you. Read the book. Read the. book. I just I to to explain to someone. the whole DDT connection and the fact. that livestock was getting polio. Like. this is the thing like polio dogs don't. get polio. They don't get human derived. polio. It doesn't cross species. But. they were getting paralytic polio. symptoms because they were getting. poisoned by.

DDT, right? That was a big part of the. whole thing. That was very confusing. Well, they started killing dogs, you. know, in in New York um in that incident. I told you about where the the vaccine, the gain of function uh strain escaped. People were throwing their cats out the. window, some 20,000 cats in New York. City were killed during that time. God. because they there was a belief that. cats spread the disease. Oh my. god. Jesus. Christ, that's so crazy. And it was all. a mutant man-made virus. The man-made.

virus thing is was a wound up virus. Wound up wound up by it was a basically. a natural virus that got kind of wound. up by so man-made to the final form. Yeah. That that's just crazy that that's. a thing that we do because if this gain. of function research was so important, wouldn't you have a cure like ready? Like if you've been studying this for so. long, but didn't they but it didn't. didn't really cure it, right? Oh, you. know, I mean, wouldn't you have. something that like stops it dead in its. tracks? You're not allowed to cure it. Look, um I was living in a country where.

um the government said there's no cure. for co COVID. There is no treatment for. it and there is no prevention for it. except a vaccine. And lo and behold, we. found out that there was a contract. between the government and the. pharmaceutical industry to have the. emergency use of the vaccine trial on on. the population. um only under the. condition that there is no other. treatment available and that's why the. treatments were shut down right because. emergency use there has to be no other. treatment available if you have. ivormectin or if you have zinc and all.

the other things that we used with. success um you know there were so many. people that I treated that should have. been dead I gave COVID to a 95year-old. woman who had chronic lung disease. called bronchiacttois she should have. been the lowhanging fruit I was starting. to feel a little bit unhappy one really. just sluggish like you mentioned and. when I was done seeing her she goes I. just want to give you a hug and she came. over and I was going oh no and after. about three days I was like I've. definitely got it. I tested and I I rang. her daughter and I said I've got to tell.

you I was exposed Margie was exposed to. blah blah blah and she's like yeah mom's. not feeling so good right now. Um and. then two weeks later I thought I've got. to call back again. I've got to make. sure this lady's okay. She said, "Oh no, mom's out at the hairdresser getting her. hair done." Two weeks later, I still. wasn't recovered two weeks later. She. was out getting her hair done. Was she a. smoker? She probably used to. I don't. know if she can't remember that detail, but there was my senior partner had. leukemia. He should have been absolute. absolutely dead. Well, not on my watch, he wasn't going to be dead. So, he'd. survived the entire thing and died like.

two years later of something else. So. yeah, the most shocking aspect of uh. getting attacked and like all the CNN. stuff to me was that no one had any. interest in why I recovered so quickly. because if this is supposed to be this. death sentence and there's no treatment. and then I'm a guy in my 50s and I I got. over it quick and then no one cared at. all about that. All they wanted to do is. mock this idea that I was taking.

veterinary medicine, right? which I. wasn't, but it was just the fact that. they use that term horse dewormer on. every TV show on like wow this is it's. wild to watch the machine it's uniquely. wild when it's coming after you and. you're like but this is like such a dumb. checker play I'm like this is so stupid. I'm still doing my podcast you [ __ ]. idiots and like everyone's going to know. that you put a green filter over my face. I'm going to show everybody that you. think you're just going to get away with. that no you're going to like lose all of.

your credib ility, you idiots. It was. just so fascinating to watch like this. distorted understanding of like what. America is willing to believe or the. world is willing to believe. Like you're. only preaching to the converted, the. super hardcore, closed-minded converted. people. Everyone else knows you guys are. a joke now. And that's the good part of. getting through co the good part of this. enormous gaslighting experience that we.

all just went through where people are. finally after four years apologizing to. friends, you know, for calling them a. plague rat, you know, like like. literally they it got down to that where. friends couldn't be friends with people. anymore because they weren't vaccinated. And people are kind of like realizing. like, oh my god, not only did I get. COVID more than anybody else because I. got three shots. Like I had a friend. tell me this. He goes, I got CO more. than everyone I know and I had all three.

shots. Mhm. He's like, I got CO eight. [ __ ] times. And we were like, how. many times did you get it? And everybody. that got it naturally was like, I got it. once. Maybe I got it. I got it twice. But the second time I got it, it was. literally a sniffy nose. just literally. a sn and I was joking because we used to. test everyone including the um the. guests everyone had came here we tested. for CO and uh I was joking I'm like. maybe this is it maybe I got it again. and she's like you actually got it I was. like no way this is COVID and it never. got worse it stopped right there it was.

that was it one day one day of a sniffly. nose and then a couple days later I said. all right let's try and get tested again. see if we can still do another podcast. and I was good but I had. have to have a healthy immune system. that but the fact. that that's the thing it's like there's. real science behind all the things you. talk about in your book in terms of like. the the um nutritional aspects of.

healthy foods being an important factor. in your immune system. healthy. We were. talking about juices and vegetable. juices and all the different times that. it's helped people overcome certain. diseases and vitamin A and cod liver. oil, which also has vitamin A, which was. always prescribed to people that were. sick. Like all these things are this is. real science. Like there's real science. in nutritional supplementation and the. effects that it has on the immune. system. And there's a real science in. nutritional deficiencies and what a. negative impact it has. This is all. real. And if they truly cared about you,

they would be telling you about that as. a primary way of defending your body. against disease and against all sorts of. things that could go wrong. All sorts of. things. Like get fit, eat healthy, and. you're above everything. Take. supplements, you're above everything. Like you're in the top 1% of people that. are going to do great in life when it. comes to getting sick. Just that. And. because most people don't do that. So. you have like what percentage of people. like really eat healthy and really try.

to exercise on a regular basis? Is it. even 10? Is it even 10% of us? I don't. It depends. I get maybe what state you. live in. Let's just let's just have a. guess nationwide and see if there's a. chart. See if there's a statistic. Let's. guess what percentage of. people eat healthy, take vitamins, and. exercise. regularly. I say 10%. What do you think? Yeah, it could be because you still got. your teenagers and your young you. college students that are in sports and.

things like that. A lot of older people. they would qualify. Yeah. But a lot of. people like, you know, even though they. have a hard job, they still realize like. I got to go to the gym before work and. just just get it in because if I don't, I won't have any energy. I'm better off. this way. I know it sucks, but just do. it. There's like people that have enough. discipline to do that. So, I would give. it I think it's one out of 10. That's. what I think. What do we got, Jamie? I. mean, as is impossible. It's a little. bit impossible. What about AI? Run that. [ __ ] through chat. Well, I'm just you're. How are you going to get the answers? My.

my point. Not. like% of Americans. People have to. honestly answer the the question in a. poll that they're you know. Well, let's. ask Chat GP just for Google. I just I'm. my point Chat GBT has to find the answer. somewhere, right? But let's see what she. says. Well, okay. Well, hold on. Let's. just for funsies. Let's just say I know. right out of the gate the answer is that. 86% people take vitamins and supplements. which is four in five American adults. Is that real? That's good. If that's. true that's really good. I wouldn't. think that's true though. I don't buy. that. That's what I'm trying to say.

Yeah. I don't buy that. That's that's. written by a supplement company. Yeah. And what supplements and how you know. sometimes you can overdo you do a hair. mineral analysis on people and sometimes. you find things that are you know pretty. shocking in terms of that came from. supplements. you know, you you can. overdo it with even selenium. Sure. You. can end up with big problems. So, there's also a problem with. crosscontamination. Um we one of the. things that we found out when we were. selling AlphaBrain is that uh in the. beginning when we would hire a lab to um.

make the formula for us like so you you. have like a list of ingredients and then. they they put together this thing which. is a neutropic. They we'd find stuff in. there that we didn't have in there and. it was from their bins. So, they didn't. clean their bins. So, it's like, why is. vitamin B12 in this? Like, why is this. and that? Why is that? And it's just. because it's the same factory. manufacturing place where they make all. kinds of stuff. Creatine and say how I. got the answer, but it says less than. 10%. Okay. Likely less than 10%. Okay. If you're talking about people who.

consistently do all three, it drops. significantly. Less than 10%, maybe even. closer to 3 to 5% depending on how. strict your definition of healthy is. Yeah. That's so that's what I was that. was a good guess. We're talking about. adults here presumably, but you know, one of the facts is that the foundation. that your immune system is is created. and developed in is probably if not as. more important than that. And that is.

being born the vaginal birth versus a. C-section. Not putting down people who. have had C-section. I'm just saying the. science the science. shows that there is a distinct. difference in C-section babies immune. systems versus nonse-section. There's a. distinct difference in breastfed babies. versus non- breastfed. And there's a. distinct difference in babies whose. mothers have a healthy diet and. breastfeed versus mothers who don't have. a healthy diet and breastfeed. So that. foundation actually makes your gut grow. normally, which is a large part of your. immune system. It colonizes your gut.

because the bacteria from your mother's. gut goes into your gut, goes in from her. gut through her lymph system into her. breast and then into your gut. And so. all that foundational stuff is something. not to be ignored because it's going to. make you deal with diseases better. And. if you have to get vaccinated, it's. going to make you deal with vaccines. better even as a child. Not that I'm in. favor of that, but I'm just saying if. you want to set things up as, you know, solidly as possible to be able to take. that insult. The problem is we don't. know 20, 30, 40 years later what the. associations are between, you know, bone.

diseases, skin diseases, cancers, autoimmune diseases. We have some clues. I have some clues that nobody wants to. look at. But we've got this long-term. problem that nobody looks at. Long-term. effects of lifestyle, of vaccination, of. even SV40. There was one study that. started tracking a thousand SV40 people. that they knew were infected with SV40. looking for diseases later in life and. they stopped it after 19 years. Again, axed when they still had over 700 people.

left in the study because they said too. much time had gone by. Well, the fact of. the matter is that's when the study. should have started 17 to 20 years later. is when they sort of started looking at. that point. Not one year, two years, but. you know, most vaccine trials and drug. trials, they don't they don't. Vaccine. trials, it's like two weeks is almost a. miracle for someone to follow out that. long. Forget about looking months or. years later. Doesn't happen. When you first decided to write this. book, how much apprehension did you. have? Zero. Zero. You were just fully.

convicted to get this idea out. Well, you know, it was a bit of a process if. you want to know it. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Uh so what first happened is that I kept. getting challenged while I was I stayed. on for two years as a nephrologist in my. hospital. So I wasn't kicked out. I left. because like my soul just couldn't hang. out there anymore. And um so during that. time even though I was kind of. ostracized behind my back everybody. still respected me as a nephrologist but. I still had to go. And in that in that. time I started doing public appearances.

like I went on the Gary Null show and. started doing things like that just. talking about smallox and polio because. those were my focus because everyone's. saying what about smallox what about. polio and then when I started finding. out I just I became obsessed with it. It. was so interesting. So I was morbidly. fascinated by the whole thing and about. how everything I found was absolutely. contrary to what the mainstream dogma. is. And what I had was a mountain that. you know pile high to the ceiling and. they had sound bites. They had nothing. to fight back with me on. Nothing. Um so.

um this guy named Roman Bistranic heard. me on the radio show and he he rung my. office and after his third call I was. like I guess I better call this guy back. and um and he had this idea for a book. and he had done all the charts and the. graphics and um started writing the. narrative around that of of what the. historical document showed. And then I. came in as kind of the medical person. that was obsessed with polio and smallox. and happened to know quite a bit about. pertasus. So we started writing the book. together and there's probably about.

there's got to be if you were to take a. full-time job 20 years at least 20 years. but for me it was condensed because I. became obsessed after I quit my job. All. I did I basically I had no money. I. lived in a tent with a pop-up camper. That was my office and I was like crazy. Ted Kazinski obsessed with polio in my. tent and um Wow. So no, I didn't have. apprehension. I was like, this. information, it has been so that the US. polio surveillance unit charts were. supposed to be available in libraries.

Lo and behold, every library I went to. to find them, I was told they're not. here. There's only one library, the AMA. library, and you have to have special. high security clearance to look at them. Well, I won't say how, but I got a hold. of them. And what those documents show. is that it wasn't just Cutter. Laboratories that had a problem with. live polio. It wasn't just Wyth. All the. vaccine, we didn't talk about this, but. all the vaccine companies had a problem. with live virus in their injectable. vaccines during SulkQ's year. So 1954, 1955 up to 1959, they all were producing.

vaccine with live virus in it because. Sulk wouldn't listen to the scientists. abroad who were saying his inactivation. curve. was where the sun doesn't shine. So um. that beginning of that and just tracking. all that down and track asking the. questions that you asked. Well, where. did polio go? or you know what was. really causing the paralysis? Why don't. we see it today? Like I had to answer. all those questions and every question I. answered was it was so satisfying that I. just wanted to go on to the next. question. And so there was never any.

hesitation because I just actually I was. so single-minded that I didn't think. about, you know, the the threats that. could happen as a result of that. And it. wasn't until the after the book was out. that the threats happened. And I'm still. here. And um look, I figure if anybody. wants to do me in now, the timing is. really bad because this pretty much out. there now. It's been out there for a. while. Um the Jonas Sulk thing was also. wild. I thought Jonas Hulk was this. genius that created this incredible. virus that saved humanity. Yeah, so did.

I. So many of our childhood fables turn out. not to be true. Uh but that was a big. one. And um it's still hard for a lot of. people to believe, but I I just think. it's like anything like if you're open. to different information and and I. always say, look, I am I may I can make. mistakes. I'm not infallible. Some. someone has actually found a mistake in. the book. I actually went in and. corrected it. Like that's the difference. between me and these other people is. that if I made a mistake, I want to know. about it and I will go and make it right.

and I will publicly admit that I made a. mistake. But I will say that 99.9% of. what in this book, what's in this book. is true, factual, and provable. And. because I've done the research, but it's. a hard thing to do. What doctor is going. to quit their job? And I was lucky. I. didn't have kids. I didn't have, you. know, medical royalty ancestors who. would have been disappointed in me. I. came from nothing. I wasn't afraid to go. back to nothing. And so that's why I was. willing to live in a tent until this. thing was done and um published in. 2013. Uh so how long did it take you? I.

started working on it. Roman had been. working on it for years. He had been. going to libraries cuz his kids got hit. hard by an ex-wife who who jabbed them. Um he didn't know about it and they got. really sick and then he started looking. at old graphs and going, "Oh, that. doesn't make sense." So he got obsessed. in his own way with the numbers. He's. the numbers guy. And um so he'd been. working on it and then the two of us. together worked on it probably from 2009. to. 2013. Um and then it was published in.

2013. We couldn't find a publisher. Um, even the alter alternative publishers. didn't want anything to do with it. So, we self-published. And then after it was. successful, guess who wanted to publish. our book? And I was like, "Nope, sorry. We're gonna carry on the way we are.". Oh, but you're going to get such more. credibility. It's like unlikely. That's funny. We did. Okay. If you give. us money, you'll get credibility. Take a part of your successful business. that you've worked on for five years or. four years. We'll give you $1 a book. That would be sweet. Yeah. What a great.

deal. And then I'll have uh prestige. behind my name. Yeah. Yeah. I've been. published by a real company. When was. the last time you looked at a book and. said, "Let me check who published this.". Exactly. Fine. You know, maybe make sure. somebody recommended this book. Published. It's all lies. I've never. heard of this publisher. This is. outrageous. What's that there? Forbidden. Science. Oh, Jacqu Valet. Okay. Jacqu. Valet is uh probably the most. interesting UFO researcher that I've. ever talked to. He's the guy that was,

you remember the French scientist? Do. you remember Close Encounters of the. Third Kind? Did you see that movie? Long. time ago, but long time ago. Do you. remember there's a French scientist on. the ground that's coordinating with with. the army and explaining to everybody. what's going on? Okay. That French. scientist is modeled after this guy. This guy's been following UFOs since. like the 50s or the 60s. Did you say the. 50s? I mean, like a long time. He's an. older gentleman, but he's fascinating. Okay. And he's very rational. Like when. he talks about it, it's like he is very.

objective in what's nonsense and what's. true and what we can't explain. It's. it's a fascinating subject. I think. similar threads would run through his. experience. Definitely. Oh, science. Yeah. Well, it's for the longest time it. was a ridiculed subject. Not it didn't. have the same societal impact as being a. vaccine skeptic or a v an antivaxer, right? like by with that projorative, they've done an incredible job of. scaring people into just falling in line.

because if you question it and someone. said, "Oh, did you know he's an. antivaxer, right? That's enough. That's. it. That's all you need to hear." And. you're going to get it after this. podcast and I've already gotten it. You're going to get it big time. I've. gotten it already. Um they'll start. picking apart my facts and they'll want. to come on and dismantle. This is what. always happens. I come in first. I tell. my story and then they bring in the. experts who are able to take without me. being in the room of course because I. can't be able to defend myself and then. let the public believe that everything I. said was just one big sack of lies.

Well, they'll definitely be the usual. suspects that'll be doing that. But has. anyone ever tried to sit down with you. and have a conversation publicly about. this. and refute it? Not that I can recall. No one's offered. Yeah. I I have to say I'm not that. interested in in doing that because I. just feel like, you know, debate is it's. an actual skill to be a debater. People. study debate and people get really good. at it. And I'm I'm not a debater. Like I.

put if somebody wanted to debate me in. writing, I would be happy to do that. because then I could sit there and take. my time, you know, go through the the. references that I needed rather than. having to, you know, Right. That makes. sense. Have the artillery ready, you. know, at me without having a shield. pretty much. And there's an anxiety. aspect to that and like you know there's. a lot of adrenaline and emotions and. yeah it's a skill but I would do it only. if we had a topic that was you know. basically agreed upon beforehand that we. could both upskill on and use what we.

know as as that debate point but it. usually just becomes character. assassination. It does. Yeah, it does. It's super unfortunate and it it's. really transparent when it's some about. a serious subject. Like why do you have. to attack someone's who they are? make. make it ridicule them instead of just. refuting the facts or or laying out your. case. It just doesn't make sense that. anybody who's right would do that. That's not what you do when you're. right. That's what you do when you're. trying to ridicule people. And you're. usually trying to ridicule people. because you need an edge. You know, it's.

like a a bully. They're like if you see. fighters like like a like a UFC fighter. in his prime like Anderson Silva, one of. the greatest of all time. If someone. like got in his face and tried to. intimidate him, it would be kind of. hilarious because he was the best. fighter in the world, right? So, he. wouldn't even have to do it back. He. could just smile at you. And that's sort. of the same here when you're ridiculing. someone spec like right off the bat a. bunch of, you know, ad homonyms about.

that person. You're trying to diminish. that person to set up your argument as. being superior because you're the. superior intellect. And you're doing. that because you don't feel like you're. on level playing field. And so you want. to try to do something to push them off. Make fun of them in some sort of instead. of just like laying out your version of. what reality is. Lay out your version if. you're so strong. If you're so correct, it should be super easy to do. Well, just like in sports, it's the same here. It's like cheating is for losers. You. don't if you're a winner, you're not you. don't have to cheat. And and that's the. same with them. Like if their product is.

so wonderful that everybody needs it so. badly, then why is there such is they. what they say is that we're too stupid. to understand how they're saving our. lives and how they've pro this is one of. the big arguments that we really ought. to touch on is that they say that our. lifespan has improved as a result of. medical interventions. When what we show. in here, what other scientists have. shown is that um it's about 3.5% of um. the contribution from medicine goes into. our expend extended lifespan. 3.5% based.

on antibiotics, vaccines, etc. The rest. of it was all about the revolution, the. health revolution, the clean water, the. shelter, the electricity, the child. labor laws, you know, ending. Um, so you. know, the magic of medicine is not what. people think. And it really traps it. really traps a lot of people. Like I I. think there's a value to to the medical. field in terms of surgery and certain. drugs and if you have an organ failure. like absolutely, but why not? Like my. hypocratic oath said that I should. consult, you know, any consultant that.

will help my patient and keep the. well-being of my patient stable. Well, to me that includes, you know, using. every therapy that is as as the most. benign therapies possible first. The. ones that work along with the blueprint. of a human body that go along with the. the the theory of health rather than. pounding down disease. You're always. going to get a better result that way, assuming you've got time and you know, you haven't waited till the last minute. Well, you certainly will get a better. result if you do get the disease that. way. Like the idea that you could just. ignore everything but a a medication is.

so silly. And it doesn't The only reason. why you would do that is if that's the. only way you made your money. And that's. really especially if you're in the. vaccine business and you're you have an. enormous ad budget and you're sponsoring. all the television networks. Well, that's the big thing. And the other. thing is people trust what they see on. the television. You know, CNN I CNN was. my go-to thing for the longest time. Yeah. And now I look at it and I think, "Oh my goodness." You know what cracked. it for me is when when they when they.

publicly um villainized Andy Wakefield. And I actually knew the story behind. Andy Wakefield at the time. And I was. like, the story behind him is that um. you know, he was he was the doctor. you'll hear. He was publicly shamed. His. license was removed. He he published an. article about what what he called toxic. nodular entroitis in children with. autism. He was a. gastroenterenterologist, a very high. level, very wellrespected, decorated. gastroenterenterologist. And he. published this paper which remained in a. journal for 12 years. And all it said at.

the end was further research needs to be. um done in order to see if there is any. real connection between the MMR vaccine, autism, and toxic nodular entroitis. These kids suffer with horrible bowel. disease. It's not just brain disease. And so after he was about to publish. another paper showing that in this. certain type of monkeys that were. vaccinated against hepatitis B lost a. lot of their reflexes and had problems. And it was on the eve of the publication. of that paper that his original paper. was revoked. And ever since then he has.

been the poster child for vaccine um. nonsense for antivax crazy people. And. in fact every time I've done anything. his name funny that I brought his name. up. I love him. He's a great guy. But uh. his name would always come up. Well, you. you're a friend of Andy Wakefield. No, Andy Wakefield because autism and. vaccines has been um debunked because. Andy Wakefield lied. He didn't lie. All. he said is I did biopsies. I saw this. and this is possibly a connection. And. since then, other scientists have come. in done the same thing. Biopsies. Then.

they looked at whether the vaccine virus. was in that biopsy. And it was it wasn't. a wild virus. It was a vaccine virus in. that area, not the surrounding area. So. there is a relationship between gut. disease, MMR vaccine, retained, you. know, virus that hasn't been processed. properly because it didn't come into. your body properly and disease, brain. disease. So that's a fact. But CNN did a. hit job on Andy Wakefield and I remember. going, "Huh, well, what's going on here?". Because I know I know what happened with.

that whole situation. Now CNN is saying. this and that was kind of when, you. know, the windscreen cracked for me and. I just had to start questioning. anything. And then you've got, you know, the doctors that go on there. There are. a couple doctors. I think you. interviewed one of them, didn't you? Interview Sanjay Gupta. Yeah. Yeah. There was a guy before him. Um, and some of the stuff he said was. pretty unbelievable. That's what the. public is going to hear. You know, your. best chances of dealing with this is to. just get the vac. If you don't want to. get shingles, get that vaccine. Never. mind the whole other truth around that. because like you say, it's the.

advertisers. But it's bigger than that. Does the shingles vaccine work? What do you think about giving yourself. a vaccine for something you already. have? Like you think about it like. chickenpox is a disease that we all got. as kids. You got it as a kid probably. You're kind of super human though. You. didn't even get COVID. Um I got it. You. did? Yeah. So I got you got it. eventually. Um they broke you down. But. I got uh chickenpox really bad. And then. I got chickenpox when I was a kid. There. you go. So, back in the old days, we.

would all get chickenpox and then we'd. be exposed to other kids that had. chickenpox. We we'd go over kids' houses. if they had chickenpox. Yeah, people do. They still do that. I didn't have to. I. got it somehow. I don't know how I got. it. Probably from my brother. Um, and so. you have this dormant this this virus. lays dormant in your body until your. immune system breaks down. So, but part. of it is not just your immune system. breakdown. It's the fact that all these. kids are now vaccinated and the. circulation of the disease. See some. vaccines work in terms of they stop the.

circulation of the disease but at a. detriment to us. So it's been a. detriment for measles and it's been a. detriment for chickenpox. So chickenpox. we used to get continuous. You didn't. have adults didn't get shingles. It was. very rare for adults to get shingles. before the the chickenpox vaccine came. out. Extremely rare. But since then the. rate of shingles in adults and children. has skyrocketed because we're no longer. getting our boosters being exposed to. the circulating u microbes. Um, so now. the solution to that is to give adults. like four times the the dose of the. childhood chickenpox in an injectable.

vaccine against something that they. already have. And so the theory is that. you're going to ramp up your antibodies. and then you're going to be able to do. battle if you're if your uh viruses come. out again. The only problem with that is. that the problem is is the immune. system. If you get AIDS or you're on. chemotherapy, your chances of that. happening are really high. And uh yeah, does the vaccine work or not? I don't. know. But I I I just don't think it's. it's just to me just a completely. strange concept to inject myself with. something that I already have along with. all the other exipients and compounds.

that go in a vaccine that nobody wants. to talk about either. So can you explain. how a vaccine is manufactured? Like how. could they not know all the different. stuff that's in it? Like like let's. let's talk about like how the SV40 got. in there. So to to you need something. alive. You need some sort some sort of. tissue from a living creature in order. to grow these things. Well, in terms of. the COVID vaccine, you just needed a. pile of crap actually because it's made.

on E.coli cells and that's where you. find E.coli. So, um, with a lot of the. other vaccines, you do need living like. for for tetanus, you need rotten meat. Okay. That's how the tetanus vaccine is. made with rotten meat. You were talking. about tetanus earlier and you kind of. glossed over it but you didn't finish. up. You were saying that that that. tetanus itself you started like googling. and like reading about tetanus itself. Yeah. Yeah. A big wakeup call with. tetanas. So you know what we see if if. if anyone's worried about tetanas what.

we're shown is a picture of a soldier. from like the 1800s with his he's naked. and his his back is arched. If you just. Google tetanas right now and you look. for images you'll get this image. And so. that's what we're told will happen if we. get tetanas. It's a sure thing. You're. just going to get tetanus and you're. going to die. Well, the fact of the. matter is that when I started doing my. deep dive in World War I, look, it was. fought in the trenches with horses. That's where you get tetanus from. ruminant animals. Lives in their gut, then it goes in the soil and it's just a. spore. Doesn't do anything until it gets. into an area that doesn't have oxygen.

So you get a cut, you get a surgeon to. close you up real nice without cleaning. it out properly and you're set up for. tetanus which will transform from a. spore to a different kind of a micro and. start releasing a toxin that can it. first starts as numbness usually in that. limb. It's the extreme case is in that. soldier who would have been. malnourished, stressed out, probably. vaccinated for smallpox before he hit. the fields um and exposed to enormous. amounts of uh of tetanus pro possibly.

gunshot wound or a slice somewhere and. then sewn up. So yeah, his nervous. system could have had a real big dose of. toxin and nobody did anything about it. That's the worst case scenario. You. don't want that to happen. But in. today's today, I've treated tetanus. Let's just put it that way. I've treated. several cases of tetanas. Some one of. the cases was a neurologically diagnosed. tetanus. So tetanus is treatable. You. can get on it early. Rabbit rabbit. studies have shown that if you give. vitamin C, if you have a good high. vitamin C level before you put glass.

with tetanus spores on it inside the. skin of a rabbit, that you can prevent. the tetanas from happening. Even if you. give the vitamin C at the time of the. injury, you can prevent it from. happening. If you give it after the. event, the death rate goes down to, you. know, very very low, if not zero. So. vitamin C is a main factor, but the. biggest factor is cleaning a wound and. keeping the wound open. If you think. it's a dirty wound and not to close it. straight up, which is why nails, you say. stepping on a nail is the classic. because rust can kind of hold the old. spores inside of it. You step on the.

nail, you get inoculated, and then you. wait for it to to heal over. Well, that. you have to open that wound if that's. going to happen. Um but you know but. tetanus has been there were there was a. there's a whole series of reports on uh. instances where the cotton that was made. for u menstrual pads for women. postpartum was impregnated with tetanus. and they they got horrible cases of. tetanus just from using those menstrual. pads. So the hospital systems have also. been you know uh responsible. The. biggest thing is that being vaccinated.

for tetanas is not necessarily security. against not getting tetanas. Now am I. telling people not to go get vaccinated. or not? No I'm not. I'm just saying. there's so much every vaccine there's so. much more to the story that should be. considered. You can have different. strains of tetanus and and if you're. living on a field that has room in. animals you will be whether you like it. or not you're going to be eating. whatever is down in that field and. you're going to be inoculated and have. antibbody and probably cell mediated. immunity against it. Um so you'll. already have some immunity to that. So. worst case scenarios you have no.

immunity. You go get a dirty wound and. you don't get any real competent um. medical care for it. Yeah, you can end. up getting having a problem with. tetanus. Whether you're not going to. have locked jaw and an arched back and. die, unlikely today for that to happen. Um, but most tetanas that happens is. delayed onset. So, the earlier your. symptoms come on, the worse the tetanus. is going to be. If it comes on later, generally the better you're going to do. Um, treated with high doses of. magnesium, high doses of vitamin C,

local wound care. That's the best thing. that you can do. up to you if you want. to go get jabbed for tetanus after you. learn everything about it. Um, everything's on my Odyssey channel, by. the way. That's where all that because I. got cancelled out of YouTube for talking. about vitamin C for of all things. Um, so everything's now on Odyssey. All my. videos are on Odyssey and I do do one. that's just on tetanus. And again, medical reference after medical. reference. I don't make this stuff up. I. just report what I read. Um, yeah. It's. crazy that they just kick you off. YouTube for reporting studies. Yep. Yet.

you can have like pornography and murder. and all kinds of other stuff on there. It's pretty horrifying some of the. things that flash across like I wish I. can't unsee that now. Have you ever. posted your stuff on X? Yes, lots of. stuff on X. Yeah. So most of this stuff. is available there. Well, I got canceled. out of Twitter when it was Twitter and I. I could not make another account. It's. like they knew where I was. They they. were able even when I was using. different phone numbers and different. emails, I could not restore an account. or you got your IP. Yeah, they maybe. that's what I used. I used VPN as well.

couldn't do it really. Then I would get. an account set up and then they would. say you went against standards and. cancel it. So anyway, they must have put. a cookie on your phone or something. Maybe. Did you try a new phone? I tried. a computer too. Wow. But I did finally. get get an account. I was able to open. an account and get a blue check mark. But I've only got like don't have that. many followers. I mean I went from. having over 95,000 to having nothing and. now rebuild. And that's they love that. They love to let us build ourselves up. and chop us down and make us rebuild. What is your account? We'll help you. out. Uh, it's Dr. It's Dr. Suzanne H7.

Dr. SSU. Z-N7. Yeah. And I only look, I don't. post my opinions about different things. in the world or dog and cat pictures. Like, I post stuff about vaccines, you. know? I like I stay in lane as as best. as I can. So, for. you, was the COVID pandemic, was that. like a big wakeup call for people to. start reading your book? Um, we we've had pretty good sales. Like.

Roman keeps because he does all the. accounting and he says we just have a. good amount of steady sales and once in. a while we'll see like every time you. mention the book we had a little blip on. it. Um during co every time Bill Gates. comes out and says something stupid we. have a big surge in our sales. So they. actually help us when they with their. you know we're going to if we vaccinate. enough people we can help depopulate. It's like okay and for whatever reason. our book sales go up. Um, well, when he. starts talking about vaccine deniers and. vaccine skeptics, when whenever they.

started doing that and the way the. language that they would use was like. when the president was saying, "Our. patience is wearing thin. We've been. patient with you, but our patience is. wearing thin." And the White House. prints this thing that if you're. vaccinated, you did your job, but for. those unvaccinated, you're looking. looking forward to a what did they say? A winter of Oh, a dark winter. Yeah. Of. death and disease. Like what? You know. dark winter was a tabletop exercise. Do. you know about tabletop exercises? I do. But what is dark winter? So dark winter.

was one. You can explain tabletop. exercises that involves smallox. Well, there are lots of them, but John's. Hopkins does I have a whole PowerPoint. on this too, but John's Hopkins conducts. a lot of them. Um they they involved um. fictional scenarios where you know there. could be pandemics and terroristic. depositions of of toxins and chemicals. and microbes that were manipulated in a. lab. And then who in this in our society. is going to respond and how they're.

going to respond like the CDC and DARPA. and the news outlets are always of. utmost importance is the news outlets. and the messaging that goes to the news. outlets and these tabletop exercises. But Dark Winter was one that was a. tabletop exercise after the World Trade. Center is thing when we were pointing. our fingers at Iraq and weapons of mass. destruction and a Russian scientist that. you know had um weaponized small pox and. brought it to Iraq which they never. found by the way. But because of that, that's why I was asked to get vaccinated. for smallox in 2003 was that dark winter.

whole that dark winter thing that was. going on. Thank god there were a few. people in the CDC and consultants, old. guys, the old guys with integrity that. like knew the deal from the old days who. were saying, "Wait a minute, smallox is. not easily transmitted." So that's a. that's a no no. So even if there is a. terroristic smallox drop, it's not going. to be easily um easily transmitted. It's. treatable. It's not high and the vaccine. doesn't necessarily pre prevent it. Um. and so that was kind of one of the. things that stalled it all out. But then. they did the study on the Marines.

because they the part of the the. exercises are we must do tests for the. new vaccine. They use the old vaccine, the drybacks and there were lots of. problems with those um military people. And then um I was asked to sign a 63page. uh um informed consent basically saying. that I understood all the problems that. could happen to me that I didn't have. little kids in my life that I wasn't. going to be able to spread it. I would. isolate after I got the vaccine. So they. were ultra ultra careful about this one. because they knew they were dealing with. something that could be get a very bad.

reput reputation. The reason they. ultimately canceled it is because any. doubts whether or not well funded must. not be allowed to exist because if we. were saying oh my gosh we have this. terrible smallox vaccine. How did they. do it back then? We have the same. vaccine and people are getting really. sick and dying and having. cardiomyopathies. That's a problem. Um. and so that's why the truth gets locked. down over COVID. We know look you've. seen the athletes dropping dead. you. know about the cardiammyopathies and the. pulmonary emblei and and all that kind. of thing. Um, nobody's talking about the. stem cells that the newborn babies are.

born without. Nobody's talking about the. fact that there are now death doulas to. deliver dead babies. Like that wasn't. even a thing before. But I've got a. friend that's a midwife who tells me. that they are now creating a new field. which are midwives that only deliver. dead babies. They do nothing else. They. didn't need that before. COVID was an. absolute nightmare in terms of um. obstetrics, gynecology, labor and. delivery. a lot of midwives that that. got done and and because they didn't get. vaccinated, they don't even want to go. back now that they can go back because. they don't want to have their good.

reputations of 100% of, you know, normal. births. being dealing with what's being dealt. with today in terms of the birth. problems that are happening because of. the actual vaccine itself. It cost, look, if it causes problems and blood. clots in our circulation, what do you. think it's going to do to a placenta. that is pretty much all blood vessel? That's all it is. It's like a big blood. vessel sandwich is what it is. And there was no studies that showed. that it was safe to give to pregnant. women. But yet they were saying that. Well, there's look, every influenza.

vaccine package insert says it's never. been tested for carcinogenicity or. mutagenicity in pregnant women. Yet, it's recommended every year for every. pregnant woman and every time they get. pregnant or not, it's recommended. Same. with the ptasus vaccine. Give it to. pregnant women. Never mind that it. changes the immune the immune reactivity. of the infant. Nobody talks about these. things. This is what I say when you. know it's like the truth is so much more. complicated than the soundbite lie. The. soundbite lie is what gets around the.

world three times. The science is. settled. Science is settled. There's no. debate needed because the likes of me. are so crazy and you know whacked out. and you know what I'm trying to destroy. the the good the good order of the the. general public things. Blood is on your. hands. Blood. Oh, that's a good one. I. always love that one. Yeah, it's a fun. one. I like that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Put see if you can pull up Rational Wiki. and Humphre. You'll enjoy this. I want. to see the image of the uh guy with. tetanus. Did you find that? There's a. lot of them. Can I just see one? I want.

to see what it looks like when you're. locked up. It's an old painting. Well, the one I saw was like a So, can I ask. you when you've treated people that have. tetanas and didn't have the tetanus. shot? Or did they get tetanas and they. had the tetanis shot? The one that had. the worst tetanas had had lock jaw and. had the tetanus shot. Does that comes. up? Uh, put in painting, put in artwork. or paint. Look at Look at that dead guy. But go up to that dead guy. Yeah. Right. there. That's not real. I mean, it looks. real. It looks fake as [ __ ] Does it. does? Not to me, bro. It could be. It could.

be. But look at he's he's clearly been. in the hospital for a really long. He. probably got hospital acquired tetanas. A bunch of kids. I don't want to put. this on the screen. Just Okay. you know, right? But that image right there, why. what makes you think that that's fake? The blur, it's very blurry. Yeah, that. is weird. That part there looks it. definitely does look fake tattoos, I. guess. Oh, yeah. It's probably a bunch. of Nazi tattoos. But if you put in um. painting painting soldier tetanas that. then it will come up. Is that right? There it is. First one right there. It's. very famous. That's what's on the.

Wikipedia page as well. So, this is that. you don't want that to happen. you do. get tetanas and there is no antibiotics. This is surely what will happen to you. now today. How would you treat someone. who got tetanas? Although there are. antibiotics you know that you you but. mostly it's supportive care until you. know your therapy starts to work. So. some people end up if if it's not dealt. to in time you can end up ventilated but. again that's it's a theoretical problem. but if you get on it in time that's not. certainly not been my experience. And so.

the ones that I've treated that haven't. been vaccinated have had the easiest. mildest cases. But so your point is I. don't know. I've not done a large. randomized controlled study. But but. what's really important here is what. you're saying is that even if you get. the tetanus shot, if you step on a nail. like you could still get tetanus. Look. the one of the tetan in order to make. tetanus immune globbuline which is. another option when say you have a cut. and your magic tetanus shot doesn't work. right away then you can get um an immune. globulin injection that came from. somebody who has had tetanas um usually.

these are people who have actually had. tetanas not who have been vac and one of. the do one of the donors that's in the. literature that I use is somebody who. has had natural tetanas despite having. several um several vaccines so no the. tetanus vaccine is not a guarantee. against say it's it's like a severe. tetanus. Yes. up. That's right. Before. you die, they call it severe. Yeah. But. they said it could also be caused by. many. So this is this is the kind of the. dead baby equivalent um of you know that. they use for tetanus. So this was a.

soldier I believe during a very long. time ago and he was uh they don't even. show you his wound. He's probably. stepped on something. It can happen. Not. saying it can't, but again are parents. given well-rounded information? No, they're not. They're not told that there. are actually things you can do to. prevent tetanus. Shouldn't they at least. be told how to clean out a wound, right? And not to let anybody sew it up. And. secondary healing is a thing. Like some. people get open heart surgery and. because they get infections, I've seen. this happen. They they just leave. everything open and let it fill in on. its own. You end up with a big scar, but.

they're still alive because the the. infection was able to heal from the. inside out, or rather the wound was able. to heal from the inside out. What you. don't want to happen is a wound to heal. from the outside because then you're. locking in dead tissue which is a. perfect setup. Tetanus loves dead tissue. which is why they use dead rotten meat. to grow the vaccine. Toxoid. What is it like to have your entire view. of medical history do a 180? like what.

what is it like to be a practicing. doctor and someone who never would have. imagined this until you faced. these exciting actually because. during my medical residency like towards. the end of it I was like I just thought. one day I'm not a healer. I don't I. don't know how to heal anything. I'm. just prolonging people's lives treating. their diseases with drugs like I'm a. glorified pharmaceutical technician. I. realized that one day and I was like I'm. not a surgeon. I can't do surgery. So, I. write prescriptions. I do diagnoses and.

I write prescriptions. Uh, so I decided. to go into a field where people really. needed prescriptions. Like if you don't. have kidney function, you're on. diialysis. Like that's one of the. glories of medicine. Like you can. prolong people's lives. I really enjoyed. that. Um, but then after I left. completely and started studying real. physiology beyond what I learned in. medicine, look, I'm learning a lot of. the stuff you're learning too. You know, the neutropics and all that stuff that. you talk about. Well, I'm learning about. that that we're I love it actually. It's. exciting. I've been liberated from from. a prison essentially from a stupid.

prison where where you where my brain. was locked down and I was told what to. do and how to do it and then watching. the results. It would be one thing if. the results were good, okay? But the. results aren't good. Like you we treat. symptoms. We treat hypertension. Hypertension is a symptom. It's not a. disease. Hypertension can come from lots. of different things. That's just one. case and point. So, I really love being. able to now have the freedom to look at. the full human being and their. physiology and look at them as an. electromagnetic entity that has some.

chemicals and and and vitamins and help. them direct their body back towards the. blueprint that it was designed upon. And. that's to me what real healing and real. medicine is about. It's not about being. anti- antibiotic, anti- this, anti-. that. It's like, how about pro-life? How. about we get your, you know, you're. going out working every day. That's. great because you know why? You're. getting your blood and your lymph. flowing and you're sweating. You sweat, you know that aluminum comes out in your. sweat. Toxic metals come out in your. sweat. You create salt levels in your. blood that stimulates your skin immune.

system, which is a separate entity. Like. I didn't know any of this when I was a. conventionally practicing. doctor to even say like I wanted to. detoxify mercury out of my patients in. order to lower their blood pressure. And. I was told that that was not allowed. we're not it's like well then I don't. want to do this anymore because I know. from a hair mineral analysis and from a. chelation test that that person is. burdened with aluminum and mercury and I. know that those both of those things can. raise blood pressure so why wouldn't we. want to remove that the same reason. we're not allowed to say vaccines you.

know what a multi-billion dollar. industry blood pressure treatment is and. cholesterol treatment is oh no forget. about it um yeah I mean I saw malignant. hypertension after happen after a. tetanis shot an adult patient of mine. And so that was another one, you know, thing that woke me up. And I was like, well, gosh, that's weird. And then I you. look up, you see there's other case. reports and then you're told, well, case. reports don't mean anything. You need. randomized controlled. studies. Yeah. So, it's it's like. there's frustration at every corner.

But, um, I love doing what I do now and. and I love I love the fact, look, it was. all it's all great. Like I I wouldn't. change anything in my life. Let's put it. that way. And I'm really glad I have the. background of conventional medicine, but. that's like background of conventional. medicine is like year one and really. learning about healing and life. It's. just it's the very basics and and and. doctors still need to keep learning. But. in what most conventional doctors are. mandated to keep learning, but they can. they're told where they can read to get. their credits every year. You can only. get your credits from reading this and.

answering the questions like a good. little doggy every year, which I still. have to do. Um, but but beyond that, when I have my. own spare time, you know, like I've. learned ozone therapy. I've I've learned. how to use vitamin C. I've learned how. to look at the body electromagnetically. and use bio-ressonants. And there's just. so much stuff you can do that really. helps people and keeps them out of a. whole bunch of trouble that they would. have gotten into if they went and took. allergy medicines and got their tonsils. out or kept on their blood pressure. medications and let the inflammation go.

wild in their body and didn't know. anything about how to dampen. Look, most. disease comes from inflammation. You. know, cholesterol is trying to save you. It's not trying to kill you. The. cholesterol is a response to. inflammation. It's like your fever is. trying to save your life. It's like. everything in medicine is about. dampening down the the symptoms that are. trying to save your. life, you know? So, it's like I look at. it and I think I can't believe I ever. actually agreed upon that. Well, it took a lot of courage to step. out of line and speak your mind and I'm.

really glad you did. Um because uh I I. hope more will realize that this is what. a doctor is supposed to do and you're. not supposed to be a spokesperson for an. industry that's pretty. sociopathic, you know, which makes some, you know, great strides. Look, there's a. lot of amazing orthopedic surgeons and. eye surgeons and neurosurgeons. There's. a lot of amazing work being done by. medicine. But then there's also the. pharmaceutical drug company which when.

attached to that and to the money. people, they want to make more money. every time they can. Every quarter they. want to have a bigger quarter. They want. a bigger house. They want a bigger jet. And they just keep going. And the way to. get money is to get you to take their. stuff. It's not to heal you. The way. they really make money is to convince. you that you're sick. And if that wasn't. the case, we would have more medical. freedom than we have. Right. Right. Because we would have choices. We would. have options. We wouldn't be told what. we have to do to protect the public. You.

shouldn't be shamed for getting better. from some other way. That wouldn't be a. thing. I know. That wouldn't be a thing. Pretty crazy, isn't it? Yeah. It's. pretty weird. Well, thank you very much. for for doing what you do and for. writing that book because it was it was. a real eye opener for me. You know, it. uh I had no idea I had no idea the. history of these things. I had no idea. the correlations between like when the. vaccine was induced and what when the. death rates had already dropped down. I. didn't know all that stuff until I read. your book. They gave you the book. I do.

not remember. I don't I don't remember. Somebody recommended it. Okay. And uh. and you read it. Yeah. Cheers to you. Well, it's a page turner, you know. It's. uh I listen to it in my car, too. And I. listen to it uh in the sauna. Um, it's. one of those books that you kind of have. to go over it a couple of times just to. sort of digest it and go, "Wait a. minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait, hold on." Apple. cider vinegar they were using to stop. people from getting smallox. Like, what.

the [ __ ] is that? How is that real? Like. the doctors were saying that they were. treating people with small pox and they. didn't worry about getting it because. they were consuming apple cider vinegar. multiple times a day and it actually. worked. That's what the reports showed. Even today, apple cider vinegar, you. know, it's had a big resurgence in terms. of new, you know, keeping your gut pH. nice and low so that you can digest your. food better, which has downstream. effects to everything, but it's also a. fermented product. You know, it's it's. got a lot of benefits. Not just that, but even on the skin, it's like really.

great to put on chickenpox and probably. smallox as well. But, um, if I may just. direct people to dissolving. illusions.com because if you just go to. Amazon, you're not going to there's two. different versions of the book. There's. the original one that you read and then. there's the 10th anniversary version. that has 200 extra pages. And we. delineate early on what the new what the. new pages what the new chapters are. So. you don't have to go read the old stuff. if you don't want to. What are the new. 200 pages cover? It covers um. tuberculosis. It covers Oh, one of this. one of the chapters I really love. It's.

it's um toxic medicine of the past. All. the different crazy treatments that I. was telling you about. And then I added. a whole bunch of the hooping cough. because more information came out after. 2013. So we added that in and then we. published a second book which is all. full of doctor quotes from 200 years ago. because people say why are you the only. one? It's like well I'm actually not the. only one. It's like back then this was. what was recorded from doctors and. public health officials which is. probably 1% of what actually was said. And then we have hard to find. vaccination tragedies um royal.

commission on vaccination timeline and. then we have rare documents at the back. um that has like the encyclopedia. bratannica where they hired a very. highly decorated well-known highly. respected doctor to write a chapter on. smallox and at the end when he did what. I did and basically looked at all the. facts he decimated the the vaccine. completely um so that you can't really. find that very easily anymore. So this. one is called the companion book to. dissolving illusions and then but if you. you can see all the versions and all. we've been translated into eight.

languages we're about to be translated. into Chinese but the best um resource is. dissolving illusions.com and it will. show you what your options for purchase. and where you can purchase the different. books if you want to you know an. alternative press we have an alternative. press for those people that don't want. to do Amazon. Um so yeah and all the. different languages and the different. versions are on there. All right. Yeah. Thank you again. Thank you very much. Really appreciate you. My pleasure. All. right. Bye everybody.

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