Joe Rogan Experience #2284 - Ian Carroll

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day welcome dude very nice to meet you. yeah good to be here man so uh let's. take first of all why do we love. conspiracies so much cuz I [ __ ] love. them I love them I love finding out the. dirty little tactics and secrets and how. the government does things and what the. [ __ ] really going on why is it so.

exciting I think it's something like. deep down in humanity is like we love. storytelling yeah and and these days. conspiracy theories are like we we I. mean 10 years ago conspiracy theories. were Fringe and they were problematic. tell me about it right I was a. conspiracy theorist way back in the day. when you were a [ __ ] nut dude you're. a conspiracy theorist when I was not. even here yet I was arguing with people. about the moon landing on the radio. before the [ __ ] before there was any. podcasts I mean I maybe there's some of. the mystery element but the thing is. that so many of them are it's it's a.

knowledge it's a thirst for knowledge. because some of them are total [ __ ]. but some of them are clearly there's. something there clearly right and. realistically if you had like the. journalists of Integrity from 1960s era. alive today and they hadn't been bought. out and shot in the head and whatever. else happened dude I the0 they were. compromised they were get bought out the. big one um is Woodward with the. Watergate story oh yeah did you see Bill. Murray when I had Bill Murray in here. the other watched it yet no Bob Woodward.

wrote wired which is about John Belushi. Bill Murray read five pages of it and he. said holy [ __ ] they framed Nixon he said. the Bob Woodward story about Belushi was. so full of [ __ ] it was so exaggerated. and fake and just filled with nonsense. he's like John balushi was a lightweight. he goes John blushi would drink three. beers and he'd be drunk he goes he was. the probably the first speedball he ever. took and he died from it like this whole.

thing about him being this raving drug. fueled Maniac was totally fabricated I. it like it's a good example of how the. mainstream narrative had Nixon as a as a. crook yeah and and he's just one of many. examples right and when you really start. to look into it you realize I mean. probably not the greatest guy but what. was the real story there and what were. they framing who why are they trying to. get him out yeah no this is not a. defense of Nixon Nixon was not a great. guy but Tucker thinks that Nixon knew.

about too much about the JFK. assassination he wanted to talk about it. and he started saying I know who killed. JFK yeah and he started he started. yapping and they were like let's get. this [ __ ] out of here and also. one of the uh terms that he had agreed. to to run for president was Gerald Ford. who was on the [ __ ] Warren Commission. Gerald Ford as his VP so Gerald Ford. becomes the first ever non-elected. president he slips in he becomes. president for kind of a [ __ ] term.

yeah does a whole bunch of war party. things and just a whole bunch of. [ __ ] and we decide that Nixon was. the real problem with the country I mean. how often is it that they're allowing. someone that they aren't sure about to. get to president and they're putting. they're sticking them with a VP that is. their guy right like LBJ with JFK Dick. Cheney Dick Cheney everybody was secret. that well Pence is a I I don't know what. the hell to think about mik P like a. preer I think he was good to get the. [ __ ] the super Rhino super like yeah.

weird guy yeah but I mean Trump is a. weird guy too like who knows what's. going on with Trump right now he's an. animal yeah he's the most fun ever I I. love Trump conspiracy theories because. people get so riled up and it's so. partisan and political but within it. there's all this like juicy like meat. for for thinking about it's like not. even conspiracy theories it's just like. his history right and especially with. the Epstein stuff now and his history. with Epstein it just gets me so. interested in you you'll never know the.

real story but here's the thing about. theories and stuff there's so many. things that are so weird that you would. think wait a minut well this can't be. real this is fake yep and and then it's. connected to real life events and some. sort of a way that you would think. there's a conspiracy like here's the one. of my favorites is little Baron trumps. yeah dude I just got the book it just. came in the mail have you read it no. dude I'm going to read it I just got it. I should buy it I should buy the book. before it gets B I got it in a.

three-part series that has the the baron. Trump one and then the last president. and there's one other one and then how. about the wner Von braa one about a guy. named Elon that takes us to Mars he WR. Warner Von the [ __ ] Nazi who ran you. know Operation Paperclip and became the. head of NASA super occultist kind of. stuff in there a novel about a guy named. Elon that takes us to Mars and even Elon. saw that and he's like is this real like. like you would think there's no way. simultaneous to us kind of getting like.

some version of UAP disclosure that. implies time travel which is like Lord. knows what that is but it's just so fun. to speculate because it's like how would. we know yeah how would we know and in. the the whole UAP thing boy you want to. find a cauldron of [ __ ] that's The. Cauldron do you know who's got the best. take on it is jacqu valet I in the. middle seen a lot of his stuff my third. book of his right now and it's uh I'll.

tell you what it's called yeah I should. read some he's the best why do you say. he's the best like what's your qualifier. there this I'm on this one. confrontations which is one of a. three-part series of human interactions. that have been documented with some sort. of uh an an Invader from some other. dimension or planet or whatever the [ __ ]. it is. he is the most rational he's the most. analytical he's the least likely to buy. into hor [ __ ] but not dismissive Str.

critical balance right yes well he's the. guy that they modeled the French. scientist and Close Encounters of the. Third Kind after so he's been in this. game since the 60s investigating these. things and time in the game counts for a. ton it counts for so and that's my. greatest weakness in a lot of ways among. several is that I'm just really new to. the game and so I'm constantly like. catching up on [ __ ] and his stuff breaks. right like like Pam bani for example I. have no history on who Pam is because I.

wasn't paying attention when pami was in. Florida and so I'm having to like play. catchup on what was going on and the. people that have been here for forever. like the Alex Joneses of this world The. Jock valet the people that like watch. things break live you just get a. different level of context and then you. get like the David Ikes that are like. it's [ __ ] reptiles dude they're all. reptiles David have you seen David Ike. coming after me on Twitter recently he. came after me too I make fun of the. reptile thing and it's like why won't. you have me on I genuinely really.

appreciate it it's like a good time it's. like maybe there are reptiles I don't. know man he went too far in a time where. there was no internet yeah you know he. went too far you get too certain of. yourself right you think you have the. answers and you just keep going a little. bit of a grift yeah with some of these. folks I'm not saying necessarily him but. it's a little bit of a grift well it's. it's an easy temptation to fall into. especially with the internet like every. single day people in my position I mean. people in your position too like we have. the ability to just like I'm going to. get views money if I drop deep down this.

grift but a lot of them are not like a. lot of them when you look into them you. realize oh there's like literally. nothing there there's a bunch of stuff. that's click bait horseshit for sure or. at least there's probably nothing there. yeah I've been trying to wrap my mind. around the idea of quantum Computing. it's exciting but complex and difficult. to understand what I do know is that. quantum computers can process. exponentially more data than the ones. you and I use every day quantum. computers all also put a new strain on.

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that they that uh Disney sent kids to. Epstein Island yeah perfect like oh such. a money conspiracy theory it's not true. it's when you look it up you realize. that that I mean a lot of the. information is kind of gone it's hard to. even tell if it's legitimate websites. and information which is already red. flag but the ones that are still up they. just sent them into like the ocean like. they were going on cruises that happened. to be in the vicinity of the island. that's totally different Which is. popular vacation destination and so it. this like and and that's kind of the I.

think that's the fun part of the game we. we thought about buying the island dude. when the island was for sale we talked. about it for a second like let's put. some of that Spotify money to use that. would be funny I think they would have. stopped you dude I think someone would. have stopped you 100% me yeah I can't. shut the [ __ ] [ __ ] underneath that. Island for sure there's got to be. something on that island that's. incriminating also what's in the walls. what's in the walls of the buildings. like I would get into the wiring I'd. bring in Pros I'd be like tell me what.

the [ __ ] under I'd scan the [ __ ]. floors I yeah liar the ocean floor and. the surrounding miles also he's dead so. if he ever [ __ ] hid some [ __ ] in. there no one knows where it is yep they. they're going to raise that building I. assume he's dead but there was so much. like so much [ __ ] around it that like I. don't feel 100% sure I feel like 95%. sure that he's dead 98% sure that he's. dead right I wouldn't go 100 either way. yeah right you know what I'm saying it's. like there's very few things I feel 100%. sure autopsy you'd have to they did an.

autopsy on jfk2 and it was not his body. well sort of they did two autopsies they. they well they did the initial. examination of the body was in Dallas. and then they flew it to Bethesda yeah. the thing about that is and this is a. part of David lifton's book best. evidence which be make made me become a. conspiracy theorist I've never read it. it's [ __ ] great and uh David lton who. is an accountant they gave him uh I.

forget what the project was but it was. something to do with the Warren. Commission report so this guy is like a. serious Bookworm he read the entire. Warren Commission which [ __ ] nobody. does and it's like 9,000 Pages that's a. superpower being able to read like that. exactly and find contradictions over and. over and over again he's like this is. horseshit this whole thing's horseshit. and then he found out that Kennedy's. brain was missing when it got all the. way to Bethesda he found out that the. Dallas doctors said that the neck wound. was an entry wound and then the ones in.

Bethesda turned into a tracheotomy hole. it was a bullet hole he got shot you. could see him go like that all over the. place and then you can also see his face. get blown off and they published photos. of him from the official autopsy where. his face was visible I have a theory and. this is just mine I'm sure I'm not the. only one I think he got shot in the head. at the same time from two different. directions that's a good theory honestly. because there's a bit of spray that goes. forward which is not. gen like things are weird when you hit.

them with bullets like people have shot. people in the head and the bullets come. out their eye like Ricochet like 22 or. something like that but weird things. happen when you shoot things but some. things are super consistent and one. thing that's super consistent is when. you hit something it goes in the. direction that you hit it right so back. into the left hick Hicks used to talk. about that all the time back to the left. making fun of the the fact that the. auder film clearly show that it wasn't a. shot from the back but the head goes.

spray too it goes spray like this back. into the left can we see it let's see it. real quick yeah something I love about. the JFK story is that there are so many. deep experts that have really done the. Dig and they don't all come to the same. conclusions well here's the thing about. lifton's book he also documents how many. witnesses were murdered and it's. astounding that's the that's the part. that gets left off too cars got parked. on railroad tracks and they died of. heart attacks when they were 30 and they. got [ __ ] shot in a robbery they.

committed suicide gas they fell asleep. in their car man Hillary Clinton sure. got started early. yeah back into the left watch this watch. this the explosion yeah cuz he's already. hitting the. neck you're totally right it's like a. cloud in the front right I mean it could. be that the top of his head exploded. right there and the force drives him. back it also could there is there's. another possibility and the possibility.

is spontaneous uh nerve reaction of your. body shutting down which could cause you. to go back into the left even if you get. shot in the front yeah but the thing is. the the. spray the or if you get shot in the back. rather the spray looks like it's going. forward like what well watch when he. gets hit see that yep it's just weird. but that could be but the thing is. there's not a bullet hole on the other.

side so that could be just the opening. of the head and it's an explosion of. blood that comes out mhm also you have. to realize he's probably bleeding. internally already he got shot in the. neck so he gets shot here there's. probably blood spraying all over the. place inside of his head and then boom. he gets shot in the front of his head. but his head clearly goes back into the. left like almost. instantaneously and in a way that you. would imagine if you got if someone got. hit like that watch this.

again boom he get hit good catch on that. frame and then back and it's all gone. like his face is just clearly open right. there gone right and it's clearly not a. shot from behind I mean like it's. definitely not it's definitely not a. shot from behind because there's no. entry room in the back of his head and. if you're saying that that thing hit the. front of his head or the side of his. head from behind like that I I feel like. if there was a conspiracy theorist. training course the JFK assassination. would be like the perfect like dry run.

training course to like build it around. because you have all the pieces you have. like you have a complex conspiracy with. unknown actors from intelligence. agencies and organized crime and maybe. multiple governments it's like and we. don't know that all that then you have a. complex cover up that evolved over time. you have like researchers you have uh. bad information being fed in from. outside you have conspiracy theorists. that are taking it in directions that. are un un like corable it's got all the. things that you need to both learn how. to dig into and learn how to watch out. for it's a fun well and also people.

didn't really get serious about it until. about 12 years after the assassination y. so when haraldo Rivera has Dick Gregory. on his show oh what is this it's it's. restored whoa have you guys ever heard. the theory that frames were taken out of. the auder film to make it look like the. car never slowed down crazy that's. crazy that's bizarre the thing is I. don't know how to trust things like AI. reconstructions of videos let's just. trust it bro it's fine boom oh my. goodness po Jack.

crazy so oh my God that's so crazy the. theory about the driver shooting him. that's the one I've never bought. honestly no no that's people always say. the driver turned around and shot him. it's like I think that's one of those. theories that probably the government. created that's one those there's an open. piece of stupid there's an open piece of. evidence of some kids that showed up. covered in mud at a at a car shop that. they worked at that it was like a dry. day they showed up covered in mud and uh. this there's a certain guy that.

theorized that they were hiding in a. manhole and shot up at him out of the. manhole and that they the car slows down. in real in real life and that Witnesses. saw the car slow down and that there's. drop frames from this auder film and. it's like these are these kind of. theories where it's like it's like how. do you dig into that and like prove that. and the answer is you have to get to. primary sources you have to get to like. is there a police report for that kid. showing up like is there is that. location real like can you corroborate. any of this right and the unfortunate. truth is you could if you could [ __ ].

see the files that our government was. hiding from us right theoretically. anyways they're supposed to be released. soon have some patience dude they're. releasing tomorrow Joe can you is that. real no um you it's like everyday's. Christmas yeah for real um can you. google David. lyton um. Witnesses of the JFK. assassination. odds because he did some sort of a. calcul. of the odds of all these people dying.

the way they died yeah dude and it's. it's Millions to one yeah it's nuts. that's a big part of what I do is is it. How likely is it that this is a. coincidence is it even possible right. right that one's very unlikely which. means they were killing Witnesses. someone was killing Witnesses I think. there was people shooting from the back. and the front I think Lee Harvey o. people want to say it's one or zero I. think Lee Harvey oswal was in on it I. think Lee Harvey oswal probably didn't. shoot the president though uh but he.

might have he might have hit him in the. back cuz there was a shot in the back. too you know the whole reason why they. had to call this a trichotomy it's the. same reason why they had to come up with. a single bullet theory exactly yeah so. you're you got to explain it well I'm. not I'm I'm you know about the Ricochet. underne overpass yeah yeah yeah like I'm. deep enough to know the basics but. there's so many layers and you have to. read the books you have to watch the. films you have to like you got to talk. inter exct all of stone just goes off. and that's why I was curious to hear. your takes cuz you've actually Ted to. these people ol Stone's the best because.

he's been studying this for [ __ ] ever. and he can tell you exactly what's going. on with Dulles and with and he's not. just been studying it forever he's been. studying the actual primary source. documents themselves and like reading. the real archives that are released and. then there's a wild connection between. Jolly West and Jack Ruby oh yeah Jolly. West is crazy have you read chaos yet. yes dude so I didn't know about Jolly. until I read chaos and then I started. digging in cuz I knew about MK Ultra I'm.

like I've been learning about MK Ultra. when I was a kid like doing psychedelics. but I didn't really understand anything. about that history or anything around. the CIA back then they ran the hate. Ashbury free clinic and they closed it. down after chaos came out no way yes way. so just recently huh the entire time. they had been running this Clinic it's. not like they were running the clinic. and they said you know what let's not. run the clinic anymore let's just give. it to are over like whatever the peace. and War [ __ ] or peace and love.

[ __ ] that's over yeah one of the. conspiracy theories yes it's coming out. this week really this week Tom O'Neal is. my friend Greg's uh longtime friend and. former NE but well I think they're still. neighbors but they were Neighbors in New. York and then there were Neighbors in in. California that's a Prett cool neighbor. been yeah very cool neighbor but this. guy's been working on this one [ __ ]. story for 20 years you imagine just like. pull your hair out just going crazy for. 20 years I'm and I I rely on people like.

that because I could never stay with. something for that long no he he could. have wrote written many other books on. the exact same subject he can keep going. like part two more I know part three. more I know he could written a book. about each of those like each of those. sketchy dudes that he had questions. about like each of those CIA guys each. of those weird doctors each of those. times how about each time that Manson. got away with like committing crimes and. girls too yeah and they're like oh it's. above our pay grade so they were paying. people to do this they were giving the.

Manson family LSD and money they were. allowing them to commit crimes and the. whole idea was just to change the idea. what people thought of as hippies and to. stop the anti-war movement and also to. see what they can get away what they. could do with I suspect they I mean to. me the big question is that seems like. the first like that like for sure that's. going on right is to co-opt the hippie I. mean first the hippie movement probably. was to co-op the anti-war movement that. was pretty buttoned up like I suspect. that LSD did not escape the lab I.

suspect they were like quick turn all. these kids into crazy hippies like try. this out try this out try this out. really so check this out have you read. um strange scenes inside Laurel Canyon I. started to read it I have not finished. it it's so I mean even just the first. chapter right so if you take that book's. premise it's basically that before the. hippie movement there was a very. powerful organized anti-war movement led. by a bunch of Quakers a bunch of black. activists a bunch of like my dad was one. of them and it was not this hippie. Fringe thing it was a very powerful anti. Vietnam protest and the moment that LSD.

gets introduced it becomes all peace and. love and he points out in that book how. all of these like Frank Zappa like lead. members of The Doors people organize the. montere Pop Festival over and over and. over like he probably has two to three. dozen examples specifically goes deep. into they all just happen to move from. wherever they are all over the world. into this area in La that is not a hot. bed for music and they all just start. making music about peace and love and. doing l D and all of them have parents.

that are from Special Forces. intelligence operations Pentagon like. some of the some of the musicians. themselves have backgrounds that look. exactly like CIA operatives that were. doing like Revolutions in Cuba and. overse who in specific um like the lead. singer of the B of the doors uh Jim. Morrison for example Frank Zappa for so. Frank Zappa is one where his dad and his. mom were both Frank Zappa's dad worked. at uh the base that is that was like the. chemical weapon. like where they did their chemical.

weapons research his dad was a chemical. weapons specialist in like top secret. clearances which is basically like when. you read about what his dad was it. sounds a lot like what Mk Ultra would be. it sounds a lot like what you would like. drug drug experiments and chemical. weapons is drug experiments well. chemical chemical is the wrong word um. psychological operations um but it's. right there like it's on his Wikipedia. page it's not hard to find these things. what what that guy did that I forgetting. who wrote the book but what he did was.

not like find uncover evidence that had. never been uncovered he just looked at. all these different people whose. histories were very public but he put it. all together and realized like that's a. lot of people that all moved to this one. place and all started producing music. that was like all within this one thing. like Jim Morrison his dad was the lead. commander of the boat that was in the. Gulf of tonan that started the Vietnam. War that's like kind of a weird. coincidence yeah and you could. definitely make the explanation that.

kids often rebel against their parents. right kids often step out of line and. are like like [ __ ] the old way right. right but a lot of them were exmilitary. like directly ex suits and excia was was. Morrison an ex military no Morrison I. don't believe he was why why do you. think that he looks like a CIA operative. then no no not Morrison it's I was. saying Frank's it's uh but you said the. lead singer of The Doors too no that was. just me giving examples the guy. specifically that he said that had the. history that was um that looked he was.

doing uh what looked like color. Revolutions in Cuba um because I'm not. super familiar with the music of that. time I might forget what band he was in. might have been the masas and the Papas. there was a couple of guys in the masas. and Papas that he did deep Dives in but. here's the. question you. can't you can't like fake Talent you. know what I'm saying like well a lot of. them didn't write their own songs yeah. and I mean like you can't town like look. at did. good oh no Jim yeah some of them were.

great great was great crazy great but. this is the thing it's like you can't. like 100% I don't think but here's the. thing they could push people with talent. that they also could use to further. their agenda and make those people more. popular than they would be organically. yeah and put a lot of emphasis behind it. look and the reason why this this tracks. is because what Nixon did so with with. the sweep psychedelic Act of.

1970 they passed this they made. mushrooms and all these different things. illegal so that they could go after the. Civil Rights activists and the anti-war. activists and the black they've shut. them all down go after them for having. these things that were societal. disruptors it also makes fertile ground. for coel pro when you have things like. drugs and drug culture like fertile. ground for coel prep well this is the. big thing about Jolly West and Manson is. that Jolly West edly taught Manson how.

to use psychedelics and manipulate. people and often times when Manson was. with the family apparently he pretended. to take LSD and they all took it and. then he would man like hypnotism and. like weird speeches and like it really. does look like and the thing is that I. respect Tom O'Neal so much because he. didn't try to claim things he couldn't. prove but he just put it all out there. and it's like this is what I'm seeing. and say think what you think and it. looks to me like like you're saying that. Manson was either directly trained to.

practice these things and carry them out. or he was sort of like a py in the. operation that they kind of like gave. him the the setting within which to just. go along his megal maniacal impulses and. just kind of kept tabs on him and kept. him safe and just kept him going I think. it's I think he wasn't a part of it. because of how effective he was they. visited him in prison oh yeah this is. why I think he's a part of it I think. they've recognized in prison like look. you got two choices you could be in jail. for the rest of your [ __ ] life or we. can work for you we think you're. brilliant we think you're an amazing.

mind of untapped talent and you know you. you pray to this narcissist ego and you. start telling him things and the next. thing you know he's out there in the. street working for you like a little ho. it's crazy how many people that wind up. in these weird positions came out of. like you were in prison then you got. released or you were in like trouble and. then you got and the girls like the. girls it's crazy those girls like some. of them had committed some minor crimes. but a lot of them were just regular. people and then suddenly they become. like absolute like murderers like dark.

dark murders those were gross well I. think mind control is real right and I. think I think hypnosis is real acid is. real and then the techniques that. they've developed over Decades of. [ __ ] with people with these drugs. they know what to do y I mean the dark. thing that I mean we don't need to go. into it because it's real dark but the I. think that when you study the MK Ultra. files and this is where there's a lot of. conspiracy theories that are hard to. prove there's a bunch of witness victim. testimony it's hard to prove is the. monarch programs are an alleged program.

that never got disclosed and that's all. the programs that are hidden behind. child sexual abuse being a part of mind. control because a lot of the drugs like. they can break people's minds and they. can be involved in mind control but a. lot of those papers talk about. dissociated identity identity disorder. as like the Holy Grail of that. Manchurian Candidate concept and it. makes a lot of sense if you know what. how diso of identity disorder works and. that is most commonly associated with. dark Grim childhood sexual abuse. and then you get all these victim.

testimonies hundreds and hundreds of. people these days talking about how they. are were a part of these programs like. people that were on Epstein's Island. that claimed to have been victimized as. children and and put subjected to mind. control experiments paired with. childhood sexual abuse it's just so hard. to believe that people are that evil but. they have been throughout history this. is why it's weird it's like we'll look. back on the Victorian era or we'll look. back on the the you know the the man boy. love of the you know Socrates era we go.

that's just back then back we've evolved. now anymore yeah but when the when. they've identified specific aspects of. traumatic past that they can use these. particular victims of trauma of. childhood trauma and take them and turn. them into weapons yep that's so wild but. that's that is an asset right if you got. someone who's so [ __ ] crazy you could. talk to them and get them to do things. and give him acid and get him to Siran.

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dk. audio Yeah I mean you get people to. do things break Jack Ruby's mind in an. instant like in jail yeah and the. craziest thing is that we've been living. in a world where for for all of our. history until the internet and really. until recent internet history they could. do those things and just not have anyone. report on it and so no one would ever. even know and I think that there's this. feeling that the world is so dark right. now because we're learning everything. exactly and I actually take the opposite. view I think that where the light is. being shown and the world is super dark.

there's all kinds of crazy horrible. people but there's all kinds of crazy. good people everything in between yeah. and by you have to shine the light on it. all before you can fix it absolutely and. I think that's one of the more. fascinating things about the fact that. this is a weird time for uncovering. federal corruption right and I think. they're in real trouble because I don't. think they can use their phones I don't. think they can do the things that they. used to be able to do that's a good. point and I don't think they're United I. thought about that this is what I think.

they're definitely not United 100%. there's rats in that ship there's rats. in that ship and and I think everybody's. scared and everybody's worried that. people wearing camera buttons and and so. it is the era of secret cameras too and. they're all selfish [ __ ] so they're all. for themselves so they probably. demonstrated that all throughout these. relationships they've had with other. people so nobody trusts anybody yep I. mean that's the nature of politics and. you can't use your phone nope you can't. use your email you can't you you. probably can't even talk with Alexa in. the house oh no no no no no no I mean.

I'm at the point where I'm starting to. get like I'm not literally that paranoid. but there are I've had some. conversations in terms of like people. that want to leak a story which I. totally I normally just avoid because I. don't want to touch it but every now and. then I'm like let's go on a walk cuz I. don't want to hear what you have to say. around any of this [ __ ] cuz I know it's. being recorded I know it can be listened. to you have a crazy phone or you use. right just an iPhone yeah I I'm aspiring. to get one of those like one of the Eric. Prince phones or something like that. that's when you've reached the next. level of conspiracy when you get a deog. phone doesn't have 5G you only use four.

yeah but the way I look at it is so I. intentionally do all of my stuff I. basically do open source investigations. I don't try to like break news stories. because it's way safer and it's way more. interesting and I don't my goal is not. to like to like know everything or to be. some great journalist my goal is to. inspire everybody else like to inspire. the world to think a little more and to. be more critical and to look it up for. yourself well you're also serving a. function like a service for people. because what you're doing is you taking.

all the time to find all this open store. and then putting it out there yeah and. you're really thorough about it you say. this is what I know yeah you've also you. start doing this thing with your hand. above your head people steal that now. yeah well it's because Tik tok's green. screen your hand the way you do one. finger gets taken away Tik Tok will. delete one finger if I'm pointing with. one finger because it's a green screen. app and so I'm like using the camera and. it's got in in my camera it's putting. the thing behind me but it's cutting out. and if I only use one finger it cuts my. whole hand away so I started doing this.

is just because the green screen when. it's like trying to AI analyze what is a. body and what is the background it'll. take away my hand as though it's the. background oh how weird so you started. pointing I haven't gone all the way to. doing this at the screen yet. but but I see a lot of people that are. doing exactly your way so that's why. they're doing it I mean to be fair I've. I've had a level of success that is. unprecedented and people call me a a. controlled opposition because of it and. it's like Fair like it's like whatever. dude like if I was in all of their seats.

I would probably be like where did this. dude come from but at a certain point. it's like an intense level of like. Captain controlled opposition over here. people think that I'm controlled. opposition it's that whole term is funny. because there's got to be real. controlled opposition that's why it's. that's why it's a term War dude yeah. well it's a crazy out here a valid. strategy but I think you could figure it. out after a while yeah and for me for me. it's really interesting because and you. know this too you've been in this game. for forever is when you actually get to. meet people in real life you learn.

things about them you get that Vibe of. them that is not it's not impenetrable. you can be fooled but like how much can. you fool and can you fool all your. employees all the time like Alex Jones. is a great example people call him. controlled oppos like he's bought by the. Jews he's bought by the comies he's. bought by the and it's like cool but I. know all of his staff and I've hung out. with them and like you've known him over. years and years like is he faking his. entire life like I've been on his show. I've seen what prep he doing the exact. same thing when no one was listening. exactly he was on the public radio yeah.

Alex has been saying he's been talking. about this stuff since the 90s and I've. known him. since. 90 I guess I met him in 99 yeah yeah. yeah I learned the other day that he. started Infowars like he officially. founded Infowars like when I was 2 years. old or something like that it blew my. brains it was like what the first video. of his that really woke me up was the. video he did on the World Trade. organization protests in Seattle when he.

showed that there was these groups of. masked men who dressed in military. uniforms with military military issue. shoes they all had the same [ __ ] on and. they all ran around in this peaceful. protest for the World Trade Organization. and started smashing things and lighting. things on fire and creating chaos which. allowed the police to then move in then. these people all hold up in one house. they negotiate with the police and were. all. released weird yeah almost sounds like a.

few events of the last couple years you. know yeah well like Patriot front which. just went under they went under the day. after yeah after us a was cut no right. after cash Patel gets in okay cash Patel. got pull that up pull that up cuz. there's a video of patri front and me. and Matt taibi I go they're feds I go. I'm it's me yelling where's the fat. people they're all they're all wearing. the same uniform one guy's got a [ __ ]. drum get the [ __ ] out of here these are. feds these are feds The Day After Cash.

Patel gets in they disband funny how. that I mean that's a I'm I'm really. interested in like looking for like. right now with all these new people. coming in cash and Pam and all like all. the pcks RFK I'm really enjoying the. process of just trying to watch their. actions and trying to figure out who's. doing what and how much are they going. to play to the money and play to the. people and it's just such a fascinating. exercise in journalism of where do you. kind of and how much leeway do you give. them how much grace do you give them. uhhuh um especially with the Epstein.

blackmail hanging as a cloud over the. entire federal government of I don't. think that any of those three are. blackmailed but I don't feel confident. that I know they're not let's look at it. here's a possibility other than. blackmail. negotiation well that's always a factor. but instead of blackmail if you are a. government and you have information on. someone who's an asset or someone who's. very very wealthy and this person is.

like hey [ __ ] like what are you. doing you're at 26 times Y how about you. shut the [ __ ] up from here out no more. Trump's Hitler the definition of black. how about you say that we did a good job. every now and again give us a little. credit let's work something out here. it's not necessarily blackmail as much. as it's negotiation I would argue black. distinguishable right unless you're. getting money too like you know I know. no blackmail is just I I know something.

that you don't want out and and any. level of threatening that it'll get out. or you know okay what if it goes the. other way what if the wealthy person. contacts them and says listen I can make. things very good for you I can do this I. can do that if I go to jail this is not. helping anybody oh 100% yeah yeah. reverse I mean that's the opposite. that's so that's bribery I guess kind of. it's just yeah that's that's deal making. but I think that a lot of Epstein's. targets were willing. I think that a lot of them because I.

think that we're talking it's not just. Jeffrey fste it's organized crime as a. network like he's just an employee of. organized crime right and I think that a. lot of those people are basically saying. yeah I want into the club because if you. are like a reed Hoffman or allegedly if. you're one of those guys and you want. more contracts or you want more deals. like allegedly and like let's be clear. just cuz I say something on Joe's. podcast does not mean that Joe [ __ ]. agrees with me CNN thank you because. like I'm a crazy [ __ ] um and I got all. kinds of theories about Epstein but like.

I think that a lot of them were willing. because I think a lot of them are I mean. if you're sick enough to rape a child. like on Jeffrey Epstein's Island you're. sick enough to want into that club well. for sure throughout history there have. been pedophiles that's a fact for sure. some pedophiles get to prominent. positions of power that's a fact right. and Thea the traits that do the same. like Jimmy savil in [ __ ] England like. that should put it out to bed for. anybody prince Andrew sand allegedly I.

don't know about him I never heard that. but sanduski I've heard you never heard. about Bill Gates I didn't know he was in. the kids oh dude I mean he's one of. Epstein's closest confidants and here's. the thing about the Epstein. thing weren't they a lot were they all. underage were some of them no not at all. no it's very complex right so some of. them were in their 20s like one girl who. was complaining or I shouldn't say. complaining that's a very. one girl who uh alleging that she was uh.

she was 20 at the time she was saying. yeah so just because someone has been to. the island and has been compromised. right doesn't necess mean that they've. been compromised with underage people. but I think there's a specific group. that wants underage people oh 100% right. and the reason why I say this is not a. conspiracy the it has been that way. throughout history there are many many. many conspiracies that have been. uncovered and criminal investigations.

have found that people were trafficking. children it's been done so this is not. like vampires we're not talking about. werewolves child trafficking like child. trafficking Rings get exposed and. brought down around the world relatively. frequently like at least once a year but. they usually don't make big news CU. they're usually not like AB we know. there are pedophiles that's a real thing. we know there are psychos who get very. wealthy and want specific things look. there's people that drink drink Rhino. horn tea right why do they drink Rhino.

horn tea because the Rhino is so. endangered it's so gangster to have. Rhino experience exactly Elite. experience and what you're talking about. is this it's such an important concept. is that some people like if you wanted. to pay for an underage prostitute people. can you can pay for that there are. people there are women that would be. prostitutes underage the people that. that we're talking about in the Epstein. files that were that wanted underage. girls specifically because they weren't. all underage some of them wanted overage. girls some of of them were just. scientists they weren't all compromised. but the ones that wanted underage girls.

they specifically want what they. couldn't have because if you wanted sex. that you're allowed to have you just. wanted a young girl you could just go. pay for that what epine was doing is he. was recruiting girls that were from like. American families and kind of tricking. them and coercing them like they wanted. a girl that they wanted the experience. of coercing some of these people not all. of them want the experience of I'm I am. doing this to a girl that I am coercing. I'm I am manipul or I'm just straight up. being physically violent to to get this.

thing because if you wanted a willing. 16-year-old those do exist but the thing. about these really wealthy high-profile. people and you know Eric Weinstein was. highlighting this to me once he was. saying smart dude very smart dude he go. he wasn't making any accusations at all. but he was just talking overall he goes. I think there are people out there that. can facilitate experience. for discret clients and it's very.

valuable like look at the guy who gave. Epstein that house in Manhattan he gave. him the you meaner yeah the guy from. Victoria Secret he gave him a$6 million. mansion He did way more than that he. signed his entire power of attorney to. him cool you're so cool I'm going to. give you a house no he gave him the he. gave him the keys to the entire castle. of all of Victoria's Secret and abian. Fitch and all of el BRS when you find. out that people who worked at ni. nickelodeon are pedophiles you go oh.

foot foot fetishist no less right if. you're going to be a pedophile wouldn't. you go be around kids like if you could. be and sneak around okay wouldn't you. think that here Sasha bar and Cohen. thought he had exposed pedophile ring. while filming who is America oh that's. right story that's right I forgot about. that coner said they can they could do. something want that we can help you yeah. yeah things happen out of like it's kind. of C do you remember Andrew Breitbart. got killed I do remember and he got he.

was exposing a heart attack exactly he. was exposing Acorn because so how um oh. man I'm totally blanking on our our boy. these days that does all the UN the you. know that James o'keef got his start. with with Breitbart on that story. exposing Acorn and what they did is they. sent James O'Keefe and this other female. reporter into Acorn and he pretended to. be a pimp he well they they asked them. for help setting up a underage sex. trafficking ring and the people at Acorn. I didn't know was underage yeah yeah. that was the they wanted to they they.

wanted to help setting up an underage. sex trafficking ring using children from. guala or from uh Central America I did. they say that in the meeting they yeah. yeah they it's on that was what was on. tape what yeah it's a c it blew my mind. when I read it I was like what are we. talking about right now cuz I didn't. know that history because I had I wasn't. paying attention back then and that's. that is the story is that he went in and. asked for help setting up a under I. don't think he was like I don't think he. was probably using the words like. 5-year-olds 10year olds I assume that he.

was like implying like 16year olds but I. don't know but that's the story but how. did he phrase it I I don't know it's not. you can't I mean I can't find those. videos anymore I've looked um I'm sure. they're somewhere and I'm sure that. James o'keef could tell the story what. happened with him and project veritos I. don't know I have no idea and it's a. whole drama fest and I try to stay I. mean I usually try to stay out of the. drama in the modern industry cuz it's. like it'll just waste your time iracy. drama there's drama inside the drama. industry there's drama in every industry.

dude there's drama in the drama class. but yeah they like like they he went in. and asked for help setting up this ring. and they allegedly said yeah here's how. you do it we'll help you we'll help you. we'll help you and that's what the case. they brought against Acorn was before. Andrew Breitbart mysteriously died and. then the coroner that did his autopsy. mysteriously died it's like such a that. was such a weird one to stumble upon cuz. I didn't know I was about to stumble. upon it um yeah and people can look I. mean everyone should look up anything. say always people should always just. look it up and just start typing things.

in that I'm saying and and see if what. if you can figure it out and what you. think cuz I am not an expert I'm just a. dude that like is looking things up and. I try to be really thorough but like. wasn't Breitbart was it breitbard or. drudge that was the first victim of. these coordinated anti-advertising. campaigns I'm not sure I know what you. mean by that um oh like where. advertisers all pull out to try to tank. you like what they to Elon ex exactly. they they do it strategically they I. think it was done to both probably but I. don't know but the I think the first one.

the first one that they did it on I. think it was Breitbart I think Breitbart. was on this like super rapid upward. trajectory and they just completely. tanked the revenue I was it Breitbart or. is it do you remember Jamie who was. talking to us about that the other day. was it Chase Hughes who was it iall it. might have. been it is interesting how you can watch. out over history the more history you. learn the more you get to see where. certain strategies like like deep State. strategies so to speak or intelligence. agency strategies get invented and then.

they start using them like might have. been Mike Ben might have been that would. be a Mike Ben thing to say for sure s. that he knows his [ __ ] yeah yeah he. knows a lot of [ __ ] from 2017 okay bre. barus lost 90% of his advertisers in two. months that's what it is yeah who's. still there so this was so this is the. Washington Post making it seem like this. is a normal thing yeah oh look they lost. all their advertising people pulled out. because they're full of [ __ ] it's just. frame Game no they all coordinated to.

try to boycott them and and kill them. it's so crazy to have all of this these. tactics exposed in plain view now and. they still keep trying them did you see. the thing that's going around today of. of the 22 different mainstream news. sites all paring the exact same uh thing. well not just that all the Congress. people yeah did you see that they're all. saying the exact yeah I guess it's. Congress people not news anchors it's. just that now everyone is a it's it's. [ __ ] Pelos and Schumer and all these. different people there's 12 of them now.

that they've got saying the exact same. script oh it's more than 12 Alex Jones. had had a full 22 on his show so they. kept adding to it at first it was two of. them early in the morning read script. they're so dumb but they use a different. tone of voice well they give their own. spin on it because they're performers. wild it's wild I've got to have my own. creative control yeah but then you get. into the people that are like the whole. world's a stage trust the plan Q's in. control and it's like who dude calm down. yeah you you've gone too far well then. when you see that documentary on C you.

realize what kind of people you're. dealing with uh which. documentary The really cool like thing. yeah but I don't like trust a. documentary like that either cuz like. HBO is like that's the definition of. mainstream media so I try to stay. somewhere in the middle of that of that. is true but I think HBO let this guy. uncover this story accurately I think I. had him in I'm pretty sure that I saw. I'm pretty sure that I did see the. documentary yeah it's it's like. multi-art and it shows all the people. that were involved in it and it kind of.

highlights a guy who seems to be Q who. is like kind of a internet [ __ ] poster. [ __ ] around and yeah when forchan was. in its Heyday back when all that [ __ ]. was going down like it's ripe for that. kind of nonsense oh yeah perfect perfect. fertile ground for that kind of like uh. controlled reverse opposition whatever. [ __ ] scops and that's where for me. the bottom line is can I corroborate it. with primary sources and Q is the defin. of no of course I can't it's like what. is it a time traveler that's coming back.

that's telling us how to save the world. or something like I don't do you think. stuff like pizzagate like when they when. they had that guy come in and and fire. up that shot I felt like that was a. great way to put a halt to all the. looking into the pest email that was cuz. then all of a sudden it's a c thing now. it's a crazy person and a dangerous. person because he's got a gun you're. causing dangerous people to take their. guns just like with the vaccines it's. like you're it's a d they always have to.

make it dangerous right it's dangerous. to say that this might have side effects. right CU if you read those emails. exactly right those emails are bananas. they're talking not explained they're. talking about young kids who are going. to be coming to a party to have fun. they're talking piz and for sure $65,000. worth of hot dogs flown from Chicago for. a White House Party it the whole thing. is like very weird did you ever see the. archived Instagram post from James.

alon's Instagram no cuz that's a dark. place so that there's so many layers to. pizz gate that they tried to cover up. intentionally for very good reason well. how about the logos well the thing is I. I avoid and the way and way I've talked. about it I've avoided all the symbols. and logos and even some of the pizza. stuff because I think there's so much. more ripe clear evidence that is way. more powerful and James Alan's Instagram. account is a great example where wa can. you find it on onl so you cannot find it. on Instagram anymore it's only been.

archived onto other sites which is kind. of sketchy cuz it's like how do I know. you're not adding photos and stuff so I. you kind of have to dig and dig and dig. and cross reference over and over and. over to make sure that you're getting. sort of like the consensus because. everyone watched as it happened so. people like Liz croen people like Alex. Jones like they saw these things come. out and they you can find plenty of. different Archives of all of James. alon's Instagram posts and they're. things like photos of children with. their arms taped to tables and the and. the caption is looks like a fun and then. people that have always been commenting. on his post like the people that are.

interacting with his post all the time. have even Weir Instagrams where it's. like kill room and there's a coffin. that's open and things like that there's. like a a photo of like a walk-in freezer. and it's like man looks like you've been. having a fun weekend things like that. that are just super dark and a bunch of. babies and a bunch of symbolism a bunch. of children and it's all photos on their. Instagram in plain day like daylight and. they all got scrubbed obviously Jesus ch. mentioned podesta's art collection and. the marina Abramovich connections it. goes on and on and on and on and on yeah.

and we're talking about the clintons. with the Haiti scandals with the cocaine. in Arkansas it's like the the thing is. that we sound crazy I sound crazy to. someone that doesn't do their own. research because you just start there's. so many layers of like crazy [ __ ] that's. happened with some of these people that. if you don't know the history of a. person like Bill Clinton and Hillary. Clinton it's really easy to think oh. that's just so insane that you would. think that they would be involved in it. and first of all they frame it in the. articles about pizz gate they say.

Hillary Clinton was The Mastermind of a. global pedophile sex traffic ring all. headquartered in this pizza shop which. is not what anyone ever claimed right so. as soon as you can discredit that you. discredit the whole thing classic frame. job which Nancy Pelosi explains very. well where you make a false claim and. you say that's what they're saying and. then you discredit the false claim but. if you really learn the history of the. Clinton family just as one example um. Bill did you ever read the strange death. death of Vince Foster no but I know a.

little bit about the foster situation. and a couple of those weird deaths. earlier on I read that book I should. read that back in the D and that's what. got me into uh wondering about the. clintons because that guy died they. found his body where there was less. blood at the scene that was missing from. his body and the gun was still in his. hand I was actually just reading about. that specific murder in Whitney web's. books like two nights ago cuz she goes. over that too cuz it's a huge question. mark the gun was in his hand the gun's. never in your hand and his family.

claimed that that wasn't the right gun. he he was he had a black gun and his. family was like no he owned a silver gun. all these weird things they never found. the bullet like all sorts of things that. just don't add up and that was right. after Epstein had first walked into Bill. Clinton's life that was between White. House visit number one and White House. visit number two well Epstein was. funding the refurbishing of the entire. uh West Wing of the White House I'm glad. you brought up Epstein because there was. a point that I was going to make early. that I forgot the Epstein situation is. identical to the Manson situation you.

think so explain what you mean this is. why I mean I think you don't mean that. literally I think you mean that in a. more mean the structure the structure of. how you would pull like if you were. going to use an intelligence asset to do. something evil to do something where you. can get dirt on people or compromise. people or or accomplish an. objective you would get someone who's. already [ __ ] up oh 100% And then you. get that [ __ ] up person and you help.

them you know run this cult or you help. them get girls but you intentionally. keep them separate you don't you're. you're not hiring them they don't work. for you they're a private entity layers. of obfuscation like if he wasn't. personally a pervert it wouldn't work oh. not a chance no like think about like. the guy gets arrested for having sex. with underage girls or getting them to. do Happy Endings or whatever wherever he. did so he gets arrested and then the. real weird thing is that he just get. gets out and gets like house arrest and.

he gets like a little slap on the wrist. and then he's back in action with all. these rich people again yep like really. rich influential people like Bill Gates. is hanging out with them after he's. already been arrested and convicted like. that's. ban but to your point about them but. he's got to already be [ __ ] up he. can't be like a straight edge regular. guy with a family and children that is. just evil no you got to have him in on. the thing so if you got a guy you know. is already a freak you you know he's.

already a nut and he's already like. doing how you recruit him blow and. [ __ ] hookers all the time and maybe. he's been caught with a few underage. girls you well when you study where he. came from and how he got plucked from. the Dalton school and then got put into. bare Sterns and they got put through. bare Sterns then got put into money. management like it was teaching at one. point in time it was teaching at the. Dalton school and then he was a a. bankrupt Bear Sterns which he. conveniently left when this big Scandal. broke that imp that implicated him and. the director Goldstein that had hired. him and had been helping him up and then.

he left and kind of took the fall and. took the dirt with him and then he went. into the arms running businesses which. is where he went met Maxwell uh daddy. Maxwell not not daughter Maxwell and. Anan kogi and lease and all these other. arms traffickers and that's where you. got into those so it's like you walk. slowly into these worlds and as they're. doing that I'm imagining they're taking. tabs on of like what kind of guy is this. and what's he into and he's working with. arms traffickers and some of those arms. traffickers were famous for blackmail. like Adan kogi he was famous for having.

his yacht filled up with cameras and giv. his arms deals everything they could. ever want while he's selling weapons to. them and he's got his whole yacht wired. up with cameras Trump later bought that. yacht which is super interesting you. know about that so Trump check this out. and I'm not claiming that Trump is in on. everything it's a very complex thing. here but Trump's history is pretty weird. he bought the Plaza hotel which is where. the blue sweet parties that blackmail J. Edgar Hoover happened you remember do. you know about those no what year was. that oh dude so Jed G Hoover the founder.

of the FBI this is where I thought I was. starting this [ __ ] job to talk about. GameStop and to talk about like the. financial markets and [ __ ] and then I. realized how important intelligence. agencies and organized crime are to how. the world works and I just got deeper. and deeper and deeper and deeper into. like I don't want to miss out on some of. Epstein stuff oh we got we come back to. that well we'll get there this is all. connect I could talk about the FC stuff. for [ __ ] days and start all kinds of. trouble for your podcast and [ __ ] but um. well I think that trouble's supposed to. be coming out publicly I don't think.

it's going to wasn't there so the the. FBI New York guy had a step down right. yeah they they were saying they're. withholding files so the Pam bondes. office said that they just got thousands. of files allegedly yeah we'll see what. happens we'll see what happens I've been. saying that I'm like Charlie Brown with. Lucy in the football yeah you know when. she pulls the football way every time he. thinks he's going to get to kick it and. he goes falling on his ass that's how it. feels the have you you haven't read. Whitney web's have you no you really. should watched a lot of her stuff online. though so the the thing about her stuff.

online is that she comes off as way more. unhinged on cuz now she's and she's very. smart she's very smart and she's on it. but she's now very concerned rightly so. about the sort of technocratic nature of. what might be to come but her research. on Jeffrey Epstein is looking backwards. at the history of organized crime and. the history of Epstein and it paints a. very like we know very well who he. worked for and we know who he was. associated with she has primary sources. with pages of sources cited about who. put him where who he interacted with who. said what about him who claimed what. about his life and it's like it's two.

full books and it's very well sourced. with primary sources cited all the way. throughout and so it's like we don't. actually really need the Epstein files. to know what was going on they might. they'll hopefully include a lot of new. details but don't we need it for for. Rock Solid proof like don't don't we. need the the so take take lesie Wexner. we talking about earlier no we already. have the flight lcks do we have all of. them unredacted all all of them well. theoretically the ones we know. and do we have flight Logs with. destinations so we know so we know who.

went to the island oh yeah yeah they're. all there and you can read them online. they're on archive.org um as well as. other places but lesie Wexner is a great. example here um lesie Wexner owns. Victoria's Secret and L Brands right. he's the bank that bankroll Jeffrey. Epstein and I was saying earlier that he. signed the power of attorney over to. Jeffrey Epstein so that Jeffrey Epstein. was able to sell his assets manage his. assets Buy on his behalf he could sell. Victoria's Secret without lesie Wexner. in the room or even his knowledge if he. wanted to because that's the level of. power of attorney that he signed over to.

Jeffrey Epstein when he was his money. manager and the reason why you do that. is so that you can claim that you don't. know about his operation I he was just. my money manager I didn't know he was. running this thing because I wasn't. involved in any of those transactions. but what that meant is that lesie Wexner. damn well knew there's a we could go. into the mega group and we could go into. his connections to Charles bronfman all. these other things but I was saying. about the V Victoria Secrets if you're a. pedophile you want to work with kids a. Nickelodeon if you're freak what do you. do you get in the under that's how they. were recruiting is they were recruiting. from the Victoria Secret modeling and.

jeffre was claiming that he was a rep. but do you know about the the CEO of. abian Fitch that went down for running a. sex trafficking ring yeah he so he was. lesie wexner's Guy when leslee Wexner he. bought abomi and Fitch in like 1990. maybe 91 '89 and then one of the first. things he did was he put that dude into. position as CEO that was Leslie wexner's. dude and he becomes the CEO and he's gay. and he likes really hot young male. models and he started running a male sex.

trafficking ring out of abami and Fitch. so lesie Wexner this dude who is a. self-proclaimed possessed by a demon. yeah yeah Whitney has a whole chapter. where she goes into this article that. was done by a mainstream news source um. like 10 20 years ago where they're. interviewing Leslie Wexner and asking. him about how he came to power and. what's his secret it's called his dbook. dyb u k and you can read about this on. Wikipedia as well and he describes in. his own words that he's possessed by a. dbook which is like a Yiddish word for a. for an evil demon that drives him for.

more and more and more and more is in. his own words is this is he being. hyperbolic is he joking around like oh. I'm possessed by a demon that just wants. more and more I just want to be. successful no I mean I I mean I wasn't. in the room but I assume based upon the. wording and how it's put I assume it's. like I want to read that it's like a. billionaire I mean it's in the text it's. directly quoted in the text in one. Nation Under blackmail actually which is. in that backpack um One Nation Under.

blackmail one nation under black by. highly recommend but it's super dense. it's a hard read it I've read it three. times now and I still am taking notes. and trying to look things up to. understand it because she's just so. researched and it's things like this. where she's gone back to the original. like article where they were. interviewing him and he's just like a. CEO so they're just asking him what's. your secret to success and he's like I'm. I'm possessed by I I have a drive for. more and he chose the word debuk which. is a Yiddish word so this is from uh New. York Magazine interview he that's.

exactly the source he says and now. perhaps it's time to reintroduce lesie. wexner's dbook the demon that always. wakes up in the morning with Wexner and. tweaks and pulls at him when he was a. boy his father called it tummel a. churning so he feels molten and unformed. pricked by the spiritual pins and. needles he met the de this demon again. when he was 40 and already worth half a. ion when he climbed the mountain in. front of the house in Veil and almost.

froze to death and decided to change his. life this demon call he calls. terminal. schil which makes him Wander from the. house from house to house repeating this. P the pattern of his childhood on a. luxurious scale wanting more swallowing. companies larger than his own it is. precisely the reason that Wexner has has. a billion and does it stop at save 5. million in a new new Mercedes every. other year and what he calls normal life. bridge on Wednesdays and bariis on.

Saturdays and the Winding Hollow Country. Club in Columbus which is like. Buckingham Palace to him when he was 15. yeah he's so that's just to point out. that like a he's a [ __ ] weird dude um. he's a sketchy dude he's running two sex. trafficking rings out of his companies. that he doesn't know anything about and. simultaneously he founded I mean the. Wexner foundations and the Les Leslie. Wexner Heritage Foundation those are. also very interesting and controversial. they're very tied to Israel because he.

is one of the foremost Israeli. philanthropists despite being an. American um but he founded what was. called the mega Group which is a. essentially a I mean it was not. disclosed for a long time it was secret. and it is a group of Jewish billionaires. that get together on behalf of global. Judaism which is not uncommon and. there's nothing wrong with that if. they're not committing crimes um but. they would get together and meet and. it's people like lesie Wexner Charles. bronfman the list is we could look it up.

um and that. group it is unclear if we have proof. that they were conducting Espionage but. there are there are uh all of them have. ties to organized crime through various. elements like the bromfman were liquor. were were Rum Runners as one example. that were then involved in the mob lesie. Wexner is involved in these trafficing. Rings Etc and and that group seems to. have been directly associated with. Jeffrey Epstein and she's again she's.

one that she shows all the primary. sources and like lays it all out of this. is what we know and this is where the. source came from and this is what it. said and these are possible explanations. for it here's one or two or three. explanations of what it might be but we. don't really know because this is as far. as the evidence goes um and so lesle. Wexner is just one where there's all. this swirling evidence all around him. that the in order for him to not be. aware of what's going on and to not have. been a active part of this is damn near. unbelievable in my eyes allegedly um.

that's well covered you did a good job. of covering your bases there yeah yeah. which you know I've learned to do. because I mean I started on Tik Tok. where you can't even say certain words. or you'll get you'll get taken off of. Tik Tok so right right yeah which is. also fascinating but like the so the. files getting released I am not. expecting them to come out in any. complete form because the the mainstream. understanding is that Jeffrey Epstein. was the guy. Jeffrey Epstein was just an employee of. these organized crime rings that work on.

behalf of like the CIA and Israeli. Massad and British intelligence and the. whole because organized crime is the. black markets the dark things the sex. the drugs the rock and roll the child. trafficking and intelligence agencies. were designed to be legitimate. government's uh point of access to. organized crime I mean theoretically. intelligence agencies were supposed to. be Truman wanted the intelligence. agencies to be a newspaper about what's. going on in the world for the president. to know right but Alan dullis was not.

about that Alan dullas founder of the. CIA was like I want to do covert. operations and very immediately covert. operations were like overthrowing the. government of Guatemala Iran uh buying. the elections in Italy they bought the. elections in Italy by just passing giant. bags of cash to the mafia so they would. just go buy the election right after. World War II because they needed to not. let Italy fall to the Communists it's. where the Vatican is so that the CIA. though Truman okayed it hoping that it. would be a newspaper the CIA has been.

covert operations from the start and. covert operations is all about public. private Partnerships so that you can't. have it traced back to you right because. if you get caught doing MK Ultra [ __ ]. the government's [ __ ] right right and. so what they want to do is they want to. Outsource MK Ultra [ __ ] or child. trafficking [ __ ] or drug running [ __ ] to. that shell company that's hiring that. guy that works at that organized crime. right the same way USA does it with NG. Bingo and that is all so that's what the. Deep state is the Deep state is the.

conglomerate of organized crime and. intelligence agencies that work in the. shadows as well as the halls of power. but they're not supposed to exist and. we're not supposed to know about them. but they've always existed because the. before we even founded the CIA during. World War II there was this bombing of. this ship in a port on the Eastern. Seaboard um the USS Liberty is confusing. my memory right now not the um it was. called operation underworld is what the. there's a Wikipedia page about operation. underworld and there's a whole bunch. more about it is the ship blows up in.

Harbor and they were building this big. new ship uh it would have been in the. early 40s I believe it was during World. War II with like inside of World War II. and the ship was blown up here it is and. yeah and what and it's not clear if it. was German uots there are reports that. later Myer Lansky and the mob took. credit for it um like lowkey but we. don't really know for sure who blew it. up but when it blew up the US government. got really worried. that they had no way to secure the ports. along the Eastern Seaboard because all.

the ports were run by the mob because. the mob ran all the unions right and so. they rather than trying to wrestle the. ports control of the ports back from the. mob they just went to the Mob and said. well partner with you if you guys lock. down the ports we'll we'll let you kind. of do your thing and that's kind of what. operation underworld is all about wow. and so what they did during World War II. is they literally gave control over the. entire Eastern seab I mean being. factious but they gave control over all. the ports on the Eastern Seaboard to the.

goddamn drug smugglers like to the Mob. which their favorite thing is to smuggle. things drugs weapons guns duh kid. whatever I don't know and so before the. CIA was even founded the oss the. intelligence agency during the war time. was already partnering with organized. crime and the people that founded those. intelligence agencies like Allan and. alen does and John Foster does they were. corporate lawyers and that's can I just. keep going on this because this is like. keep going this is let him cook this is. the thing that blew my mind right is I. was trying to research GameStop and [ __ ].

and then I started to realize that. there's this whole monstrosity that is. an official part of our government these. intelligence agencies that when you. really learn their history and read. about their official history let alone. their history that sort of is still. secret it is very clear that they've. been off the rails right from the start. and that's true inside of every like. whether you're reading Legacy of ashes. and the devil's chessboard very well. researched official books about this. [ __ ] or if you're doing internet. research and the reason why you'd start. an intelligence agency using a corporate.

lawyer instead of like a doctor or a. military guy or something is because a. corporate lawyer is already familiar. with all of the big CEOs of all the big. corporations right Alan doues worked at. Sullivan and Cromwell as a lawyer and so. he was very familiar with IG farbin. producing zeyon B for the Nazis he was. familiar with Standard Oil he was. familiar with shipping companies and. fruit companies and all these companies. all around the world and he's got good. connections with them all and so you. suddenly you hire one guy Alan doues and.

you have just hired an entire network of. multinational corporations theoretically. to work on behalf of the US but when you. read the histories and you read what. Allen dos was saying behind closed doors. and everything what he was doing is he. was hiring the US government in order to. fund a corporate slush fund for. corporations to utilize this power this. newly government bestowed power to. essentially W violence that is. sanctioned because you see what I'm. saying because all those corporations.

the perfect example is Guatemala United. Fruit Company had bought up all this. land in Guatemala and was growing. bananas like crazy and a lot of the land. was just sitting vacant and jacobo. arbend comes into power and he's like. this is [ __ ] there's this American. corporation that's owning all of our. land that's making all of us poor and. they're not even using a bunch of this. land so what I'm going to do is I'm. going to buy back the land he didn't. take it he bought it back from the. United Fruit Company and he was going to. distribute it for free to all the. farmers that were destitute which is. like socialist kind of but it's also.

pretty badass to use like your. government money to buy all your Farmers. land from this multinational corporation. but that pissed United Fruit off and. this is right as the CIO was getting. founded and United Fruit was a client of. Sullivan and Cromwell and Alan dullis. was a lawyer there right so United fruit. goes to Alan dullis his brother John. Foster dois was the the Secretary of. State yeah Secretary of state so these. two brothers that are both lawyers for. Sol and Cromwell are the director well.

technically Alan douis was not yet the. director of CIA but he was like the. founder he just had a beef with Truman. and with the first couple leaderships of. the president there and so United fruit. goes to them and is like hey can we. overthrow this piece of [ __ ] because. he's [ __ ] with our business right so. this is like how corporations wanted. this government sanction power and they. through those two brothers lobbied the. United States propagandized the United. States they hired propaganda artists to. prop to propagandize them and they. painted him as a communist right at our. doorstep and then the CIA went in and.

threw a series of kind of somewhat. botched attempts called PB success and. PB or rather operations operation. success and operation PB. success um they overthrew the government. of Guatemala and they ousted him they. bombed Guatemala City and they got rid. of him and they put in their own. dictator that in that started like you. know 30 years of absolute devastation in. like military rule and just death like. really dark [ __ ] uh that basically tore. Guatemala apart on behalf of United.

Fruit they did the same thing in Iran. like 3 years later with Kermit Roosevelt. where it became this thing where these. multinational corporations that are. affiliated with this intelligence agency. just kind of through friendships and. through Partnerships and through the. network they started to utilize Alan. doues and the CIA in General on their. behalf to do things for the corporate. interest because they are the power. players in this world they always have. been the power players in this world and. they had been itching for quite some. time to get that government sanctioned. ability to wage violence against anyone.

around the world and we've been doing. that ever since using the intelligence. agencies on behalf of the corporate blob. which is not always distinguishable from. organized crime and just going off and. whacking people and overthrowing. governments and starting coups like. right to this day to like Ukraine. 2014 and they can do it without being. directly connected exact so yeah the the. conceptus deniability that's the whole. point is you want to set it up in a.

series of shells and the darker it is. the more you have to kind of separate it. so that when Jeffrey Epstein goes down. no one knows who he worked for he worked. for intelligence and I was told to leave. him alone and so you're left to. speculate who he worked for and that's. why we're we are left to rely on sources. like Whitney Webb who's done sort of the. definitive dig because they won't. [ __ ] tell us because a bunch of them. are blackmailed whoa yeah and it's all. it's like it's not like it's literally a. of shadowy dudes around one table it is. just an alignment of many different. interests different families different.

corporations different Bankers or. organized crime groups all started. playing games for power and these guys. have that much power and those guys have. that much power and interests tend to. align like the general vibe in the. corporations will probably align with. the vibe of the bankers and their Vibe. will probably align a fair bit with some. of this organized crime stuff and we'll. fund this terrorist organization Maden. until it's not convenient anymore and. then we'll actually use them as a py to. go to war because there's terrorists. over there godamn it right and they've. gotten quite good at kind of weaving.

those narratives through their. operations that they've either covered. up or exposed what they wanted to in. various ways to kind of steer our. narrative around what we know but when. you actually read the history it's like. holy [ __ ] it's crazy how much did you. ever read Smedley Butler's War as a. racket yeah dude so that was 33 so in 33. it was still going on like that and he. was up to it as he was leaving his. military career you know about about. what they tried to do with him no oh yes.

I do na he wanted to take over the. country no he saved the country from it. but they not that he wanted indust they. wanted him to be a part there's almost a. Nazi cou in the 30s where we almost got. taken over by our own military and. became Nazis because Prescott Bush and a. bunch of his other buddies were on team. Nazi and it's cuz they were all funding. the Nazis and they wanted to they like. they wanted us on that team and they. tried to recruit medley Butler to be the. lead of this Y and take over the country. I suspect I'm sort of form I'm always.

kind of form my understanding research. by research but I suspect that it was. World War I where they realized how much. power like it you can have if you're. funding both sides of a war look at this. quote I spent 33 years in active. military service and during that period. I spent most of my time as a high class. musclean for big business for Wall. Street and the bankers in short I was a. racketeer a gang for capitalism Smedley. Butler. 1935 he was one of the most decorated uh.

uh Marines or was he in the army of all. time General unfuckin believable yes war. is a racket is a relatively short book. that anyone can buy online and I highly. recommend it to everyone that paired. with um but that's so wild that that was. 33 oh yeah and it's still going on to. this day and the general public hasn't. even had a whisper of this like the. average Normie probably four years ago. five years ago yep like when did this.

start making it into the zeis obviously. in films I think when Alon bought. Twitter right and it's still not making. into the mainstream mainstream Zeitgeist. but there's I mean and you've played a. big part in this too this whole. decentralized media space as technology. naturally walks forward I think that. we're living in this world where this. all these rich people all these evil. controlling sickos of varying degrees. they come from world where they could. control everything they could control. the newspapers they could buy out the. Press they could pay for journalists yes.

and that strategy walked itself into. technology and suddenly technology is. just naturally walking forwards and this. just changes the game like you can't use. those old strategies when you have a. phone and internet and social media and. we're watching the cognitive sort of. breakdown of their old ways that they. don't know how to adapt and it's just. scheme after scheme after scheme is. crumbling and the secret is just free. speech that's all you need is free. speech and communication on the internet. and Doge yeah I mean doge is how you. actually go after it but you need.

someone who's Pretty balls out oh yeah. you need a guy like Elon that has I was. glad that Elon said the stuff about. assassination on the podcast the other. day because that's needs to be said is. that they are taking great risk even Pam. and cash all of them are taking great. risk to do this and it would not be the. first time that someone's spouse had. been whacked or someone's kids had been. threatened or like they you know created. a scandal like do you know about the. scandal of the chap Chapa Bridge with uh.

chap chap. chap Ted Kennedy it was right yeah that. is such a great illustration of how like. it might not even be you that they go. after it might be just there's all sorts. of ways that if you do the wrong thing. allegedly they might come after people. around you yeah and so people like cash. and Pam and RFK are taking on a lot of. risk and that's also why I think that. the like my following is real. conspiratorial usually like I'm moderate. compared to most of my people and they.

there's a lot of Suspicion of these guys. right now of like they must already be. controlled if they can even get in there. and it's like uh I don't know bu I don't. know about that because I used to think. well listen I think there's definitely. some manipulation of voting okay I'll. say that oh yeah that's the Holy Grail. you can't say dude yeah I say it I say. it because I think listen at at some. level for sure now let's talk about the. the hunter Biden laptop now when you. have 51 intell Former Intelligence. agents claiming that this is Russian.

disinformation and then you have the. government getting it removed Twitter. complying you can't even post a link for. the [ __ ] New York Post yep like the. second oldest newspaper in the country. right legitimate newspaper when the FBI. had had the laptop already like right so. that in the time of an election is. election interference straight up so. that is manipulation of voting yeah. until Trump came in that's that was the. only election interference that I was. willing to talk about because it was.

very provable very obvious another. obvious portal which is California and. New York won't even allow you to show. your ID when you vote yep there's only. one reason why you would do that because. you want people voting that shouldn't be. voting and you want it to count because. you want to win yep and more and more. we're seeing that they are literally. importing voters and paying them with. government money with like to huge. amounts of money when we have homeless. veterans on the street over 300,000. children are missing that have crossed.

our border that we have delivered to. unknown sponsors well I think the the. Trump Administration very quickly like. within the first couple weeks found. 90,000 of them I don't know what the. number is now I seen that yeah there was. some see if you can find that the Trump. Administration accounted for they well. they started looking I know the first. [ __ ] you know the first. Administration is like I don't know. where it is the. the well we can't close the border. that's wrong the whole thing they. literally locked up the guy you know the.

guys that that built the border wall. Steve banon and uh he had it was it was. Steve Bannon and um Dustin Stockton and. I think one or two other people when. they wouldn't build it these guys just. went out and raised millions of dollars. on their own and they literally just. started building border wall do you know. about that I had heard something I. didn't know about that either and then I. I now do a podcast a couple every couple. weeks with Dustin Stockton who's a whole. trip of guy um and he started telling me. the story of like what are you saying I. had no idea that they had literally just.

started building it from a private like. citizen standpoint until they arrested. them did you know that also before the. election all the Border materials were. for sale yep they sold the Border. materials yep they I mean they were just. trying to get everything out as fast as. they could they were deleting files and. and just giving out Aid money and. announcing more and more foreign war aid. to Ukraine and Israel and everything. said it was like throwing gold off the. Titanic crazy dude yeah. yeah and I I am really excited for. everything that's going to come out but.

I'm also like what we before we go. further we the kid I'm reading into the. kids it's a uh it's definitely a. political thing oh the children are. actually missing BBC go [ __ ] yourself. well this is says that they they had. them I guess in records and then when. they sent Court notices out they just. don't come to their court date so they. consider them missing okay that can make. sense but I think the the Trump. Administration for quite a few of them. well that part I don't know that's what. they're say you're not going to find. them on BBC well I'm just all right.

that's yeah the so I work would you like. no don't no don't put that Trump. Administration finds missing kids try. that yeah because I work with this guy. named Ryan ma who spent three years of. his life going to the border with his. own dollars and filming documentaries. about this and interviewing the people. that like rescue traffic children and. actually interviewing whistleblowers. from within the Biden regimes. trafficking scheme like the the people. that were dropping kids off with sponsor. Sean.

[ __ ] F listen to what what what it. says there a trump Administration is. legely located between 75,000 80,000 of. the 300,000 missing migas according to. Harris fauler of Fox News this is. without aink a. source just Google haris I understand. but Google Harris fauler Fox love for. that to happen Harris. fauler I mean I suspect that every every. single like there's every incentive for. Trump to find them and to do something.

about it but I I I think the vast. majority of them are dead unfortunately. so that's a Facebook link exact I mean. and this is the thing is that there are. certain topics that are so. disinformation and so sensationalized. that when you start to research into. them you realize you're inside of this. media Madness that it's so hard to find. the truth and Co was one of those and j6. was one of those the elections was one. of those and when you find that it. becomes it for me it sets a bell off is.

a I'm in something I should learn about. but B I have to be very careful and I. don't know and you never know what you. can trust in those spaces and so that's. where I change my my uh switches for. what to believe and I kind of open up. the bandwidth in terms of take it take. it all in but be very skeptical because. that's where you get wild conspiracy. theories that are unproven and trust me. and then you also get all kinds of. propaganda trying to obate the narrative. yeah that's a big factor that people. need to be aware of is purposeful. misinformation that gets inserted into a. narrative to make that narrative.

ridiculous yep they've done there's. whole conspiracy theories that I think. are like that and Q might be one of them. I don't know I think Flat Earth is one. of them oh yeah yeah well I think Flat. Earth was someone did that as a goof and. then they couldn't believe how much it. took but if you can speak well and you. you're you're articulate and you have. compelling things that you're saying and. there's no counter there's no scientist. going stop stop stop we can show you and. [ __ ] 10 minutes that the Earth is. round everything in the sky is round the. Earth is the only thing that's not round. you know the the weirdness of it is how.

much people want to believe that. everything's [ __ ] and so you could. trick a certain number why like think. about how like right so 10 years ago. Alex Jones was saying that the whole. government's controlled by pedophiles. and he was a psychopath I guess more. than 10 years ago now and then Jeffrey. Epstein got caught dude I to to talked. to people about it back then right and. they thought it was the funniest thing. ever yeah I'm telling you there's a. [ __ ] Island they take him to an. island they get them [ __ ] up onug one. Island there's been a few Islands yeah.

you think that's the only place they do. that there's probably some super secret. place in China that they all go to oh. yeah I I me they're all over Mexico. they're all over like J yeah imagine. what is in Mexico the government of. Mexico has been partnered with the. cartels for at least two administrations. is what it looks like and the cartels. are just like running that whole game. that whole sort of North Western like. quarter of Mexico I Can Only Imagine and. what we'll find down there really. hilarious is the blue and on Twitter. people the cooky ones who are like yeah.

you're going to go after the cartel good. luck yeah good luck the greatest. military force the world has ever known. versus drug Runners are you the cartels. are highly militarized they're extremely. Advanced but they're not going to. compete with us no no no I had my friend. Evan haer on here from Black Rifle. coffee and he was talking about like do. you understand the kind of like these. are very capable people no doubt do you. understand the kind of Ultra violence. that they will experience if they let. these you know [ __ ] Seal Team guys go.

after the cartel people cuz those are. proud Americans that have been itching. to defend our nation like they have been. itching for the ability to actually do. something meaningful and that's also the. place where look Afghanistan doesn't. make sense it doesn't make sense an. opium operation right right oh yeah that. too we can get to that but it doesn't. make sense that we would send troops. over there it makes sense that we would. send troops after the cartels if the. amount of death that occurs in the. United States because fenal overdoses. where you have tainted drugs that are.

coming in across the border and killing. people left unprecedented children like. taking kids from Families my whole. generation was devastated by it my whole. generation everyone today knows someone. who died of an overdose everyone does. that was very uncommon when I was in. high school and the problem is that it. was not just illegal Fentanyl and. illegal heroin the problem is that the. Sackler family and the pharmaceutical. industry was in on it and so doctors. were prescribing it to normal people and. it was just devastating our whole. population all at once is so tragic that. painkiller documentary on Netflix.

[ __ ] or the docu drama series yeah. and so the the administration now in. Mexico she Claudia Shin Bal she is like. the Protege of amlo who is the leader of. that same party from before and I think. he served two terms it's like so it's. been something like the last six to. eight years or something their official. cartel policy is hugs not bullets and. what they basically describe is is we. we're causing more death by going after. the cartel and we'll just agree to not. touch him we'll just agree to leave him. alone and I'm kind of exaggerating again.

but like that hugs not bullets is their. official slogan for their policy about. the cartels so it makes sense for us to. [ __ ] do something it's like we'll do. the bullets you can keep your hugs thank. you very much right I wonder what's. going to happen with that because they. did declare them a terrorist. organization yeah I mean I was worried I. I kind of came out a little hot and I. posted something on Twitter that was. like no [ __ ] drone strikes inside of. the US no sir no you're not because the. way that the sort of announcement was. worded of like we're declaring cartel. members terrorist organizations and we. will be and drone strikes are like.

totally AOK on that is what someone was. saying about it and I was like and I was. like where's the line on allowing the. targeting of cartel because once you. start targeting terrorists that's why. 911 was so subversive is it turned. everyone into a possible Enemy of the. State that can be shipped off to. Guantanamo because terrorism is just. this elusive concept and you can and. anyone can just become a terrorist if we. just call them a terrorist propaganda. people shipped off to Guantanamo who. were definitely Inn 100% And did time. and got released oh yeah you want to.

radicalize someone sent them to. Guantanamo Bay for a decade for. something they didn't do right and the. um you brought up the hunter Biden. laptop and those 51 intelligence agents. I wanted to look into it so I looked at. the letter itself and I actually read. the letter and on the letter at the. bottom they all signed it and if you. just start googling the people that. signed it the very first two names were. ex-directors of the CIA that lied to us. about Guantanamo Bay and lied to us. about surveilling American citizens and. lied like lied on the stand and so there. are professional Liars that are from the.

Intel agencies that are saying oh no no. no like Hunter Biden is all good above. board Jes it's like why would we ever. trust that but that's how powerful spin. is when every media article parrots that. no it wasn't made in a lab there's no. evidence it was made in a lab that. couldn't be true yeah everyone just. believes it because we want to believe. that that's how the world is we used to. don't you think that over the last four. years Co was probably the call I mean it. was my wake up call I was a leftist that. didn't think about [ __ ] before to no you.

thought about [ __ ] you no I thought. about [ __ ] but I was pretty much a. leftist totally and then I was like oh. this is fake Y and to be fa whole. thing's fake I think we're kind of both. still sort of leftist what left should. be socially Progressive yeah we need cuz. politics is supposed to be a balance we. need regulation of Corporations that's a. leftist ideology but we need individual. liberty and we're supposed to have a. balance of the two and when you and I. think my theory is that it used to be. easier to control the right because it. was a big money party and you could go. to war with them and you could lead us.

around by the right but it as technology. came in they realized it was way easier. to spend spin narratives to the. collectivists and if you can get all the. collectivists the leftists to go along. with a narrative that's way more. effective than these individual liberty. people with the guns well also you're. controlling all the universities if you. have the Le you have all you have the. narrative that you you essentially. program culture as it then leaves the. universities and enters into the. workforce the most ignorant people ready. to be programmed coming in I mean that's.

always how communist revolutions have. been programmed but we were talking. about this with Jordan Peterson where. people were saying what is the big deal. this is like 2015 2016 when Jordan. Peterson first and when Brett Weinstein. first started emerging and before that I. was talking about these crazy things. that were going on in universities and. people like why are you paying attention. to these Fringe things that kids are. doing I'm like they're going to. graduate these are the people these. aren't the people who 30 years ago were. studying in school trying to figure out. what career to get into and job no they.

want to change the world with activism. now everyone wants to be an activist in. every job you take everything you take. is supposed to inact social justice that. is supposed to be your and then you're. given this as like your social credit SK. system when you're in the universities. and then you leave like I still want to. be the good person I still want to be. the person that everybody applauds I. will do the right thing I will say the. right things and then you get Dei in the. workforce like oh great it's all here. now we're all together and in a world.

with no meaning where like life is. meaningless for 99% of the population. you give them meaning and they will. cling to that they a good team now. you're on a team you're on a team I. understand it cuz I I come from that I. come from one of the most liberal cities. in this [ __ ] country and but then I'm. like CO's happening and I was taking it. really seriously like my last Facebook. post was like all young people we should. lock down and take this really [ __ ]. seriously and then. all my roommates were like hey let's go. down to Seattle and do the BLM protests. and I'm like whoa like you're a mask.

Nazi you're like on me about my masking. and you're trying to go burn down. Seattle in a group of like 100,000. people what and so they all went down to. Seattle and I'm back at home and I mean. I still love them to death like if they. watch this like no shade to them like. but I'm at home watching the live. streams of the BLM protest and I'm like. where did that pallet of bricks come. from right and that got me thinking. where' that pallet of bricks come from. over and over and over over again and. there's all these explanations well. there's a construction site let me tell. you something about construction sites.

bricks are [ __ ] expensive they don't. leave bricks laying around like that. because people would steal them and take. them to their construction sites that. [ __ ] happens all the time if you leave. copper piping on a construction site. overnight people just steal downtown. where there's meth heads everywhere yes. why you got a basket of [ __ ] bricks. no and so then the thing is I start. asking a question I ask one question in. that leftist environment and it's just. like don't ask questions I'm [ __ ] out. of here H was talking about that when he. was talking about like what are the ways. you can clearly see that something is s.

up first you're not allowed to question. anything yep 100% And questions are met. with like obey the herd like you're and. they demonize you and they don't ever. attack the arguments they don't ever. engage with the arguments no and that's. what I love about the job that I've. fallen into as a sort of like researcher. is that I have no problem with being. wrong my favorite moments in my career. so far have been when someone's proved. me wrong and been like oh [ __ ] thanks. bro I didn't know that I'm going to. research that and look it up because. there I mean some people can get trapped.

in their ego and need to stay on some. Hill and die there right but like that's. [ __ ] you don't need to do that it's. a progress for intelligence for like. learning that's what the academy ideas. was built on right right and so having. this culture of censorship and of her. mentality especially in the universities. is the most toxic thing to our national. future you could ever incorporate yeah. it's a perfect thing that a foreign. company or a foreign government would do. to the United States in order to ruin us. and this is what Yuri bov talked about. in the 1980s go that's such a formative.

speech to watch that speech is everyone. should watch that speech and it's. Ironically in 1984 that he's saying this. well I mean these tactics are old like I. mean they go and I'm I more and more. started to look at like we we Chang from. kinetic Warfare at the atom bomb to like. scop and subversive and information. Warfare and we were still doing kinetic. Warfare but it was all these little. proxy wars that were based on propaganda. and and like in order to spin narratives. in order to get support and more and. more as Technologies evolved one of my.

kind of sticks is that this the Warfare. is information Warfare now because what. they need to do is they need to convince. everyone that Co is real and that you. need to lock down and you need to wear. your mask and you need to take the. vaccine so we can profit and all of that. is information and that changes it from. soldiers fighting soldiers to government. agencies or rather Nos and all these. conglomerates of like of money like. groups essentially targeting all of us. and we become the targets of that. Warfare and so it's on us to get.

educated and to learn fun though is when. they try to spin a narrative to try to. cover up their tracks and it just winds. up exposing more people to what's. actually going on one of my favorite. ones was when haraldo Rivera was in. Afghanistan going through the poppy. fields with the United States military. guarding the field you never seen this I. know of like I know what you're talking. but I don't think I've seen it amazing. it's amazing cuz he's in full propaganda.

Gaslight mode and he's explaining why. it's important to protect these poppy. fields cuz these Farmers livelihood. we're we're protecting them from the. Taliban poor Farmers help these the. Taliban shut down the Opium production. the Taliban outlawed opium production. and burned all the fields and got rid of. it all so he's literally talking to this. officer uh in front of the poppy fields. you see these guys [ __ ]. yes play this oh my God. this to.

Afghanistan. obstacles troops there in Afghanistan. opium trade the Taliban is using it to. intimidate the population fromont. province is haraldo Rivera good morning. to you haraldo tell us what you've seen. during your days there in. Afghanistan hi Allison Dave and Clayton. yes in some ways the Marines brilliantly. executed invasion of marja this town in. the middle of Helman Pro uh Province was. the easy part the harport now is.

governing this province a province as. you suggest that has become addicted to. Opium in many many ways that is the. principal crop that is being grown here. uh the Taliban lend the farmers the. money they are indebted to the Taliban. they have to grow the Opium now the. Marines in their success are in a sense. a victim of their success because now. the population is uh you know they have. these opium fields and we are tolerating. it we are tolerating the cultivation of.

the Opium because we know that if we. were to destroy it now the population. would turn against the Marines and it. would be a real security risk let me. introduce Lieutenant Colonel Brian. Christmas he's the commanding. officer really a wonderful group of. Marines here I know that you care deeply. about this uh this contradiction the. fact that uh here you have one of the. best fighting forces in the world ever. mounted uh and in a sense you're. watching as this opium is being grown I. know it grinds at your gut uh how do you.

deal with it what are you doing about it. well uh frankly this is a part of their. culture so uh while it might grind in my. gut it's what they do uh we we provide. them security we're providing them he. was given very strict orders that. morning alternatives are different crops. to grow they're getting the seed and the. fertilizer they give different crops. grow tomatoes guys yeah right hey you. can grow apples favorite statistic about. that era is that that that I I will I'm. going to get the number wrong but it so.

the opium's only grown in so many places. right and it used to be in the Vietnam. region in Southeast Asia the Golden. Triangle then it changed to the Golden. Crescent which is Afghanistan and when. that era happened it was something like. 70% 80% of the world's opium Supply was. coming from Afghanistan and if you just. do a little math and think it through. you realize that we have this gigantic. opioid Market of legal opioids of the. Sackler family and all these Pharma. companies and you realize that it's. physically impossible for them not to be.

in on this scheme because where's where. are they growing their opium they're not. growing it here they're not growing it. in like Africa so it like by definition. when you just think through what's going. on here you realize that some of those. opium fields are illegal heroin and some. of those opium fields are big Pharma it. coincides with the opioid crisis in. Amica the pharmaceutic grade prescribed. opioid crisis in America as it goes up. and then you see at one point in time. Afghanistan was responsible for.

94% of the world's opium Bingo there's. the stat while we are occupying now it's. Myanmar which also just went through. military coup yep I mean they've always. got to control so opium has been one of. the most important crops to control ever. since the British Empire and like the. days of tall ships you know about the. Opium Wars with China that was a funny. history to learn yeah crazy yeah cuz. that's the thing is that I've been. basically learning everything from. scratch as I've gone cuz I didn't know. [ __ ] I was just.

like two less than two I mean like I was. learning that you must be a plant be. some sort of an operative a agent you're. just good at it just you know if you're. good at it if you're Whitney Webb or if. you're you or it's just a scientific. process of having the right degree of. like understanding of just like the. right amount of like need to see primary. sources and real evidence and the. ability to look and test a hypothesis. and see what comes out and not being. attached to one conclusion beyond what. the evidence actually suggests also not. being afraid to seem foolish to the.

uninformed absolutely because so many. people will dismiss most of what we've. talked about today yeah offand yeah. without any especially people that only. consumed Wall Street Journal and. mainstream media but I I had the benefit. of being a normie when I started and so. I walked my way in piece by piece like I. started with all the Black Rock. conspiracy theor I started with who owns. the media who owns the tampon a owns all. these things and I would go into the. grocery stores and do the videos in the.

grocery stores where I would like go to. the cereal aisle and be like who owns. all these cereals and it turns out the. entire cereal aisle is three companies. and I mean the tampon a is even better. because they're all getting sued for. having reprotoxic chemicals in the. tampons meaning they'll kill your. reproductive system and well not only. that toxic shocks exactly right and so. that sort of I like walked myself slowly. into learning and I walked my audience. along with me and I also developed this. understanding of I mean I used to be a. teacher and so I I have this under a. certain understanding of like how do you.

communicate in a way that access that's. speaking from their perspective instead. of from my perspective which right now. I'm just talking to you instead of. talking to them because it's more fun. right but um but when I actually make my. videos I do my best to try to put myself. in like in the shoes of who I'm trying. to access and what do they know and what. do I need to communicate and show. evidence of for them to understand that. that like you can look into this and. check my sources and you can think about. this you're you have permission to think. about this you do a very good job of. citing your sources and telling people. where to look if they want to find out.

more information about it too because a. lot of it is a real big deep dive most. important part by far it's like unless. you're you unless you're a person who. does it for a living like the amount of. time that it takes to find out about. this stuff and then even you who's been. here for two years doing this like. there's there's Decades of layers you. need to uncover and it'll take forever. like Whitney web has been doing it for. how long I don't even know Alex Jones. has been in the game for 30 plus exactly. and there's still always more to learn. and always more to connect and we get. new information that puts new light on. Old situations it just re it's this.

constant rearranging game of. understanding and I just love that I. mean yeah most people don't have time. for all of it but as we're sort of. stratifying into this ecosystem of. content of like creators and journalists. and thinkers that we're all kind of. collectively doing the work together and. some of us are more integral than others. some of us are just click baiters and. some of us are like I'm somewhere in the. middle and then you get some people that. are really professional about it like. problematically professional about it. like they can only get so much done have. you ever looked into Oklahoma City. Bombing no not much actually not hardly.

at all that's but I know it's one that's. like one of those seminal moments that's. a good one first of all the amount of. damage to the building is not something. that you would get from a fertilizer. bomb and the way a fer fertilizer bomb. would work in front of the building that. building's blown out exactly and the FBI. was retrieving unblown bombs from the. building. not only that Timothy like the whole. Timothy McVey thing is [ __ ] wild when. you go down the rabbit hole and start.

looking into it it seems like a false. flag it seems or it seems like someone. else planted bombs inside that building. and they blamed it on this fertilizer. bomb what would that false flag have. taken us to like what did it they passed. different gun laws and different. different laws afterwards yeah I mean. 911 is the perfect example of that kind. of false flag of this thing that's crazy. that has all the these questions that. get covered up and then we just go to. war in the Middle East with a country. that and we have the Patriot Act and. Patriot Act to now yeah cover up all the.

missing money all these things. incredible amounts of control and. surveillance now gets used on the. population who do you think did. 911 or like what conglomerate of of. groups were do you think were involved. well for sure the Saudis were involved. right I mean a lot of the people were. Saudi a lot of the people were Saudi I. don't know if that necessarily means the. Saudi government had anything to do with. it it could mean it was just people that. were recruited by another organization. that were with the Saudis what do you.

think happened to Tower. 7 I think that's a good question that's. a weird one had information in it about. both I think it probably had information. in it about the planning of the attack. Andor what was going on with the attack. but I also think it had information. about other things that needed to go. away maybe it's old CIA operations maybe. it's banking information maybe. information about the trillions of. dollars that was missing that Donald. Rumsfeld talked about the day before 911. so he gives a press conference in front.

of the Pentagon was the Pentagon is that. where it was I don't know where the. press conference was I mean I think it. was in a room but I'm I'm not sure so he. gives his press conference this press. conference he says there's trillions of. dollars they can't account for and. every's like what the [ __ ] the very next. day 911 happens and in one of the. buildings where they store data that. building mysteriously implodes like a. controlled demolition that like building. has ever collapsed ever just because of.

fire I mean and structural damage for. sure but it's the way it collaps even. from planes hitting buildings no. building has ever collapsed like that. other planes have hit buildings bombs. have gone off in buildings all sorts of. stuff has happened to buildings and they. don't fall down like the main Towers did. let alone building seven right it's it's. all real weird at the very least if if. that was my building I'd be like I'm. suing you guys made a [ __ ] building yeah. except that he took out special. insurance against plane crashes and. against. terrorism right before it but you would.

take out insurance against terrorism. because that place had already been the. victim of a bombing it I mean that was. in the biggie song blow up like the. World Trade yep classic move talking. about biggie Diddy is on the menu but um. it's important to mention as we're. getting into all these like government. conspiracy theories and like CIA did it. Israel did it Saudi did it no one's. saying ever unless you're dumb that the. whole government of any of these. countries did it like when you say like. people it's like in the anti-israel. crowd people get smeared a lot for like.

as though you're claiming that all of. Israel did 911 or all of Israel did this. thing or when you're talking about the. CIA it's more obvious when you're. talking about the CIA you're not saying. that the whole CIA did something right. we're saying that these these groups. these covert intelligence agencies they. are fertile ground for walled off areas. of of need to know information behind. levels of security clearances where. plots can be hatched and they always. have been that's the whole [ __ ] point. of an intelligence agcy is to hatch. plots um it's unreal that they would. hatch such an evil and [ __ ] up plot. right but it happened and you only need.

to do I mean 911 happened when I was in. like grade school and I remember all. like where I was and all that [ __ ] and. that was the seed that that just sort of. sat under the ground until you know BLM. that eventually sprouted for me of like. I always knew there was something weird. and I saw Zeitgeist when I was way. younger and I so I knew that like. there's weird [ __ ] in this world but I. was a leftist that just wanted to go. snowboarding and stuff so I didn't. really think about it until it walked. into my city and told me to stay inside. and get a jab and all sorts of [ __ ] so.

they really [ __ ] up with that one they. really [ __ ] up with that one well I. think they thought they had us cuz I. think they were all the people that are. in power operating on a paradigm that. existed before the internet exactly yeah. do you know Mickey Willis at all do you. know the planemic films at all no oh. dude you should really check them out um. yeah he he's around this area and I had. not seen them before planemic one was. this doctor named Judy M it that blew. the whistle really early on and and that. is one of the things that got all this. like the fact that you haven't heard of. it and seen it is no I've heard of it.

I've heard of it I just haven't seen. locked but I was so balls deep in the co. thing that I didn't want to see anything. more because it was me I I was a part of. you were a part of that censorship she. got that same kind of treatment of like. smear campaigns left and right and just. the smear cign against me though was so. eye openening when when you know that. something's not true that's being said. on CNN over and over and over again. about yourself about yourself and then. they take your face and they make you. green it's taking horsee it was so crazy.

to watch and to be a part of that it was. like Wow I'll never trust again cuz now. I know you guys are full of [ __ ] and. that was a big thing that red pilled a. lot of regular people like like myself. included and and a good example of like. my take on that is I didn't know about. Ivor meon beforehand so I didn't even. just like be like oh Jo Rogan said I was. like [ __ ] it I'll look it up they said. that it was an award-winning medication. I'll find the godamn reward that they. got for it so I looked it up and you and. I found it it's like okay cool that. makes well not not only that I said a. bunch of stuff I took they only they.

only locked on to this horse paace thing. well because Ivor meon is the a great. threat to their profit they can't make. money off of it and it works very very. well if you get it early enough but. imagine they ignored all the other stuff. I took I said I took IV vitamins I took. prazone I took zpac I took uh uh monocon. antibodies I have a theory about that. and it's that they can't get an. emergency use authorization if there is. a drug that is that can be considered a. cure like a preventative treat a.

treatment right a treatment and so they. right and so they and I mean you've said. this many times right is they needed to. act all treatments because the one that. they went with was administered IV post. like in the hospital and it was very. very uh expensive um REM Desir is a. whole super [ __ ] dark Rabb kidney. failure oh yeah and they knew that full. well they had already tested it out in. Africa um and rfk's book the real. Anthony fouchy opened my eyes in a big. way in mine as well yeah yeah he still.

has not been sued no I was very. skeptical about him before I read that. book because they had done a great job. of connecting him to Fringe conspiracies. and making him look like a cook he's the. one Kennedy that's out of his mind and. it been long enough since he was not a c. cuz cuz he started doing the vaccine. stuff for these moms that were coming to. him with vaccine kids and he was not. trying to do vaccine stuff but he saw. these kids and was like I need to fight. for these people and he had been. spending time talking about mercury.

poisoning because he was an. environmental attorney and he. successfully sued all these corporations. that were dumping into rivers he cleaned. up the East River I mean he did so much. great work as an environmental attorney. that people forget about because they. did such a good job and again this is. before social media and the internet. like you could do a great job of. smearing someone and making them look. nuts remember Jenny MC. they speared the [ __ ] out of Jenny. McCarthy because she was suggesting that. her child changed after her child was. vaccinated and her child got autismo and.

this is when they were doing the multiv. vaccines in one day and dosing kids up. and and they made her look like a. [ __ ] idiot and they removed her from. Hollywood she she essentially got. blacklisted that's the story right is. you there are certain narratives that. are golden cows that you cannot touch in. the VAC industry has always been one of. them the thing about that one is we all. would agree I would have agreed I if you. got a hold of me six years ago and asked. me about vaccines like they're one of. the most important inventions his and.

then you read have you ever read uh. dissolving Illusions no read that book. mhm the all of those diseases had. dropped off because of Sanitation and. nutrition yeah I've seen the graphs yeah. they all had dropped off and then the. vaccines included speaking of the. current thing controver an infection. that everyone got when I was a kid and. what happened was you'd get sick for a. few days and then you'd be immune for. Life yep yeah and they were making it. look like everyone's dying from measles.

like no if you're dying from measles. you're sick you're already compromised. which is exactly what happened with Co. where 90 [ __ ] plus percent of the. people who died had four plus. comorbidities yep Jesus Christ this is. why I it was such a red pill for me. because I was like literally an. ultramarathon Runner that was going to. the gym like three like 3 hours a day. like I don't I need natural immunity I. already have natural immunity go [ __ ]. your like what are you doing and the. reason why I was talking about Mickey.

Willison planemic is because the second. planemic is called indoctrination and. it's basically a magnumopus about how. the vaccine industry this golden cow is. not just like it's not just one thing or. this thing or one thing it's a organized. like group of profit takers that has. been growing for decades and Bill Gates. and he like lays out how Bill Gates got. into it and is on camera saying how many. profits made off of vaccines and how. great of a business model vaccines are. and and vaccines is a concept great. concept but it is so lucrative if if.

manipulated and corrupted that really. evil people started to do really evil. things with it also you have complete. immunity to liability yeah well they got. that orchestrated partway through that. that sequence because they were starting. to get sued like [ __ ] crazy right. because there was all kinds of injuries. and so that's how exactly yeah yeah. Reagan passed that act they got to stop. that you can't just give people immunity. because then they lie they lie so they. can sell more stuff and then they get. caught like they did with Vio and they.

only pay a percentage of the profits and. it's not just it's not just that you. can't give them immunity it's that you. cannot just punish with fines you have. to punish with prison time because if. you don't punish with prison time it. will never change that's true of the. drug industry that's true of our corrupt. government officials that are like for. example the person that was withholding. these epine documents from Pam Bondi and. she fired him no put him on a stand and. and and at least give him a trial to. make sure he didn't commit treason or. something else right and maybe he's fine. and you let him go and he's just fired.

but like if you are if you're not going. to send the Epstein clients to prison if. you're just going to like find a couple. people like 2008 banking collaps we'll. find one like we'll find all the bankers. a little bit and we'll just put one. little Pawn of a banker in jail that's. why we have this crazy [ __ ] like 2008. was horrible but it was by no means the. last market crash that we're having um. like because no one ever went to jail. they just switch their T tactics around. and get ready for the next profit taking. event yeah and they've already paid. everybody off so that they get.

preferable treatment and this is exactly. what happens to the pharmaceutical drug. companies when they get caught they just. pay fines they don't go to jail they. killed 50 60,000 people with Vio thing. about white collar crime is it's real. profitable and there's no consequences. and they have the media because they. sponsor media yep and usually they're in. bed with these intelligence agencies and. organized crime aspects in some small. ways or sometimes really big ways like. in the case of the Opium Fields where. they're clearly getting their opium from. these poppy fields and clearly they are.

interfacing with the drug the illegal. drug trades at least on some level like. not necessarily saying they're. collaborating but they're certainly like. getting it from the same suppliers it's. just it's really dark the idea that. they're not as crazy the idea that. you're going to have 94% of the world's. opium and you're just going to ignore it. while you're occupying the country with. a military force and guarding the fields. shut the [ __ ] especially considering so. that was George W bush right but George. HW Bush this is a one that's not totally. Declassified yet but I've been digging. deep into it I got a whole bunch of. documents on it and it's kind of.

Declassified is that during Vietnam era. we were we were managing all the Opium. production and the heroin production in. LA and in the surrounding area and it. was being sold to American Service. members to make money for the CIA for. Black Operations and that was George HW. Bush that was his time that's why his. nickname is Poppy Dam it's not because. he's like the dad it's because he was. brought into that organization with. Richard hel way that's the reason why. his name oh no that's why his nickname.

is Poppy and that is still not. mainstream CIA like disclosure news. there's a whole [ __ ] rabbit hole. about it like it is kind of disclosed. that we were involved in that drug trade. somewhat but it's not disclosed that. that that's why all the Vietnam veterans. came home addicted to heroin because the. CIA was selling heroin to them and to a. lot of other parts of the world in order. to raise funds for their black budget. operations because the CIA has always. had trouble funding all their operations. ever since what they did with crack. cocaine in Los Angeles with Freeway.

Ricky Ross it's all tied in so the guy. so Bill Casey who uh Bill Colby rather. who put that all together he was a he. was in the heroin operations in Vietnam. and he was like a little lower down and. and not running it and then as he grew. up and came to power in the CIA and. those other guys that were more. competent Richard Helms being the. primary one Richard Helms and HW Bush. they were not involved when he went off. on his own and tried to set up the. cocaine smuggling and that's why he. bungled it so [ __ ] bad because he was. a psychopath that didn't have the skill.

sets required in order to run something. that complex and it eventually when. Barry seal got popped he was the guy. that was flying the like it used to be. I'll drive a truck with a brick of. cocaine across the border and then Barry. seal was this military CIA pilot that. said like I'll just fill my whole. [ __ ] plane with cocaine and get like. a thousand runs in one and he was just. flying whole planes over to mina AR. Arkansas where Bill Clinton was the the. governor yeah as well as a few other. places that Tom Cruz movie where they. get a call from the governor Bing and.

they have to let Barry seals out which. did happen oh yeah and when Barry seal. finally got popped everyone started all. the rats started to run and try to W. look out for their own and eventually. that led to Oliver North taking the. stand and totally bungling his [ __ ]. job on the stand he was supposed to be. like bro you're supposed to be the Fall. Guy and now we just have this huge. [ __ ] problem yeah it's wild wild and. and these these are just one of. thousands of stories like this yep. thousands and thousands of St very well. documented that originally originally.

you're a fringe reporter Gary Webb. you're making it all up you're disgrace. they Gary Webb's writing dark Alliance. you can look up his Wikipedia page and. Gary Webb exposed how Freeway Ricky Ross. was the outlet for all this cocaine and. when you and holy [ __ ] Freeway Ricky. Ross is a crazy story but then when had. three times yeah yeah yeah what an. interesting guy right he's selling weed. in La now. what a full circle he goes from wanting. to be a tennis pro to being the number. one Kingpin of cocaine this Mastermind.

doesn't know how to read yeah illiterate. the whole time yeah learn how to read in. jail became a lawyer in jail and then. realized that the three strikes law had. been inaccurately applied to him whoa I. did not know that yeah they they applied. it to one specific event it's supposed. to be you get arrested three different. times for three felonies mhm no I think. that they needed to cover it all up. because [ __ ] was starting to come out. cuz Gary web was starting to [ __ ] I. mean maybe Gary web was after that but. then Gary Webb committed suicide by.

shooting himself in the head two times. yeah it's like okay guys yeah crazy. movie about crazy movie about that too. yeah crazy crazy C there's so many of. these things it's like the idea of a. conspiracy theory being a ridiculous. Fringe thing doesn't hold water anymore. it's like the Jimmy dorit it's like. reading you mean reading you should try. it Jimmy's the best I love Jimmy so much. he just filmed his new special at the. mothership yeah Jimmy's the best I love. him to death I've known him from from.

Comedy just from Comedy from back in the. day yep and then when he was at Young. Turks when he was a leftist y and then. which he really still holds all those. same values no he holds it down like you. and him are the two guys I point to when. I and him a little more than you now of. when I'm like where's the same left. still at right it's kind of like you. guys and like the like Eric Weinstein is. a good example Eric and Brett Weinstein. yes a couple L of them Tai is another. one Tai's great I love Tai there's. people who didn't cave and but they boy. they get [ __ ] attacked boy they have.

a lot of pressure oh yeah it's like it's. so hard to know what's real in the world. and unless you have shell and burger. unless you have GL Glen Greenwald if. unless you have those people out there. that are risking their neck they're. sticking their neck out there to tell. you exactly what's going on this is what. funded it this is how it started don't. let them say any differently we made an. agreement with Russia we did this NATO. did that this is what's going on and. can't be bought and there's there's it's. so important and they rise now there's.

so many of them now and they're coming. it's becoming much more mainstream and. if you look at some of their videos it's. millions of views and then you find that. you know MSNBC is getting a fraction of. that yeah and they're you know corporate. funded enormous huge organizations with. staff and and now they're hemorrhaging. people it's wild to watch the uh. mainstream journalists like the MSNBC. folk yeah to leave like Joy Reed just. left for example and like when Don Lemon. left fir they got fired you can't say. left they didn't want to leave they got. kicked out but they try to make it in.

the New Media world and they're just. like you have no value here because you. were never good at this job you were. just good at reading propaganda to us. you look good and you got put on camera. whereas Tucker Carlson get kicked out. and he [ __ ] slays it and he just. grows bigger and bigger and bigger. because he's not bought and he's not. scared and he actually is good at. communicating and interviewing and and. getting to the truth and it's so cool to. watch thisly seismic shifting in the. industry yeah it's really fascinating. it's a fascinating time and uh I think. it's good for humans oh yeah it's it's.

good for the human race it's good to and. there's going to be a lot of [ __ ]. out there there's a lot of stuff that's. not true but that's okay too you you'll. figure it out well the the truth will. rise there's too many people that are. telling the truth and there's too much. that's undeniable that once you start. reading you start questioning virtually. everything fun TI for two things you. guys were just talking oh yeah Air. transport this is the airline right this. was the airline used uh came out the. same day that they filed for bankruptcy. after being in Columbus Ohio uh being.

used by lesie wexner's Lesley wner is. deeply tied into to those CIA a lot of. Ros Le back to Columbus Jamie Oh. yeah talk about that got some our friend. Jam Jamie's got his own conspiracy heard. that yeah I'm with you on that yeah why. it just it's wild many of these and. again before the internet This Is How. They did business this is why it's so. sloppy it's because the before the. internet you didn't have to cover Your.

Tracks you could get away with this. stuff and the thing about the internet. that I love that um gets me called a. controlled opposition all the time is. that I love that all of their tactics. work backwards too I can use those. tactics too I can make propaganda. because what propaganda is is just. convincing messaging and if you have. convincing messaging in the hands of an. evil [ __ ] megalonia dictator. government CIA whatever it is that's. really bad but if you have propaganda. tools in the in the hands of regular. citizens that have morals and values. that want the best for the world.

correctly applied you can fight back. against them and so there's this element. where I'm like I'm looking at how do you. open people's minds like how do you. strategize to like get your because and. it's a balance right because when I'm. reporting on something it's important to. tell the truth it's important to be. accurate and accuracy if you really dig. enough and get enough accuracy that that. reduces entertainment value but if you. find the way to balance entertainment. value with accuracy the right way which. is always a moving Target you can change.

the world like I'm a regular dude two. years ago I was an Uber Eats driver an. ultramarathon running guide I was like a. no one in the middle of nowhere and then. I'm like all right I'll just contribute. and I'll start trying to tell these. stories trying to learn and communicate. what's going on well you have to also. have to have a particular knack for it. and you have to be really interested in. these things interest is the most. important part very actually totally. completely interested in it I think that. a lot of people try to get into like. podcasting and like this internet field. these days because it's like what you're. supposed to do it's a business but they. don't realize that that's going to be.

your job every day for the rest of your. life you better [ __ ] love it right. well you've seen that with a lot of. podcasters where they just they start. off and then they fall off because they. can't do it because they're not. interested yep and it's a lot of work. and a lot of Hassle and there's no. guarantee of success it's like very. saturated industry and you have to. actually be locked in with what you're. talking about cuz if you're not there's. too much competition there's too many. people that are locked. yep okay what do you think is going on. with the whole UAP thing dude I love. this [ __ ] conversation I love this. [ __ ] most interesting I never get.

tired of it do you want to go the angle. of like what are the crafts or do you. want to go the bigger angle of like what. is the phenomenon okay let's start with. what is the phenomenon I think that. right now science and religion and UAP. exposure are all converging on similar. truths and what I mean by that is that. um science so you know the science of. Consciousness how we don't really know. where the [ __ ] Consciousness comes from. but there's a lot of people that start. to suggest that it sounds like we're. antenna that are receiving Consciousness. from some sort of Consciousness field or.

some sort of other like have you read. any Thomas Campbell no I don't think so. you should read the big toe Theory of. Everything very bizarre stuff very hard. to swallow you got to go back and listen. to it multiple times read it multiple. times I had him on the podcast and at. the end of it I was like we got to stop. here and I have to think about. everything you said and then we'll bring. back and we'll go deeper cuz he wanted. to keep going and go deeper and deeper. like he's been living in these real go. and goes dude cuz you're talking. metaphysics you're talking physics. you're talking history and and like.

disclosure about history and dimension. and like I suspect that whatever. Consciousness is coming from is this. Multiverse this this conscious field. this ether this multi-dimensional thing. whatever I suspect that's very similar. to what uaps are traversing in and out. of and through and I suspect that's very. similar to what we identify as either. the gods plural. the aliens plural that have these. abilities we don't have as well as God. God singular which is probably the. highest up above all of those things I.

suspect there's a version of all these. things that are starting to converge on. one truth because when you learn about. remote viewing that's what really. cracked it for me was learning how much. money the CIA has invested in remote. viewing over the years the CIA is not. spending millions and millions of. dollars on some crackpot [ __ ] that's. not going to work they would for a. little while but they've been doing it. and doing it and doing it and now we've. got disclosure from people that are. coming out whistleblowing that they are. doing it today and I'm in the program. and this is how we did it Have you. listened to the telepathy tapes uh I've. listened to a few of a little bit of. them I've not list had on the podcast.

the other day and she explained the. whole thing like provable hours and. hours and hours of nonverbal autistic. kids who have telepathy provable. telepathy. undeniable 100% accuracy wild yeah and I. suspect that all of that is and there's. a weaponization of it there's a I mean. it's not just public study of it there's. definitely been private study of it by. the intelligence agencies and probably. the weapons Developers for a long time I. mean I was very surprised to hear elon's. answer to your alien question the other.

day which I understand that he probably. couldn't talk about it anyway that's how. I take all of his answers about aliens. yeah it's like nice try I had to try I. don't I don't ask him about it off air. either yeah I don't I mean you got to. respect a man's like private like he's. got ndas up the Wazoo for that kind of. [ __ ] also he has top secret military. clearance and he run SpaceX Bingo yeah I. wouldn't I wouldn't say jack [ __ ] and. that's where FL Earth they all real. they're pretty they're very subtle. that's what I would say too exactly and.

I think that Flat Earth a lot of the. evidence that gets cited as Flat Earth. like for example NASA fakes footage and. if you look into it it's [ __ ] obvious. that NASA is putting out fake footage. they're clearly on wires than some of. that footage clearly some of that. footage is underwater and there's. bubbles [ __ ] floating up and [ __ ]. which footage just like NASA publishes. all kinds of footage from like the ISS. to they have live streams to they do. like videos and no one ever watches it. cuz like whoever watches random think. some of the ISS footage is fake there is. a lot of footage you can find online. that has come that is coming from NASA. where there's like little slips or like.

a guy is like they're doing their. floating [ __ ] and then the Buddy reaches. out and grabs where a wire is to help. his buddy get back into frame like. little slips of the where they're like. just trying to orchestrate yeah there. and I've never seen any of that and who. knows. seen Hoke yeah so all I'm saying is that. gets cited by flat earthers as like. NASA's covering up Flat Earth okay and. what I'm thing is that there's a lot of. reasons why NASA would cover up and. produce fake footage from something like. the ISS and every single one of them. rhymes with aliens because if there's.

any type of aliens going on up here it's. very possible that they are up there in. that [ __ ] space station or they or. like they could be like I don't know and. I'm not saying I think they are for sure. I'm just saying that people tend to look. at a piece of evidence and jump too. quickly on the one explanation that. they're sure is right and sometimes. there's other explanations and aliens uh. apply to so many parts of our world like. demons sound very much like the UAP. phenomenon to me right A lot of these. religious beliefs sound very much like. explainable just with different wording.

by UAP phenomenon as in some of these. aliens we seem to be we seem to be being. told that they communicate. telepathically they have energetic. ability right yeah I just I'm getting to. the point where I'm suspecting that. we're going to have be finding out that. religion is like humans trying to. interpret these phenomenon over. Millennia in all the human ways we would. and telling stories about them and I'm. not saying that God's not real I'm. saying God is real and and that does not. diminish God at all I almost think it. makes God more important and more. powerful to understand because it from.

my understanding correct me if you have. a different one it sounds like we're. getting a lot of reports that are cross. corroborating that there's more than one. thing going on here it's not all aliens. are the same and it's not some of them. might be us from the future some of them. might be us from under the water some of. them might be other species some of them. it's really hard to pin down like what. all these phenomenon are. but they're definitely not just made up. and I think some of them are ours I. agree I think and that I think the cover. up is the weird part though it's like if.

you go back to Operation Blue Book the. when they started doing that the the. sole purpose of operation blue book is. to take any credible story and make it. look ridiculous Y and they they talked. about that openly and then heinik when. he left Operation Blue Book became a. Believer yeah and started talking about. UFOs being real that's that's a [ __ ]. that's a big old red flag right there I. mean the UFO Community is filled with. people like that that are and it's. really hard to know who's who it's super.

hard to know who's who and did you. notice how recently like the last a. month ago sort of there was this. breaking story that set the whole UAP. community on fire about this disclosure. that I think Jeremy corbo was coming out. a whistleblowing on if I remember. correctly that they were saying that. they're gonna blue beam they're going to. trick Us by saying that there's a mother. ship arriving in 3 years right hear that. and it becomes this thing where it's. like how do you know it he's saying that. he's exposing it but how do you know if. he's Expos it's just like it's the. ultimate test of are you skeptical.

enough and also open-minded enough and. thoughtful enough also if there's a. Believer get them some [ __ ] feed the. believer some [ __ ] exactly they. don't even have to know that they're in. on it right they don't have to know and. it could be like kind of plausible. [ __ ] and then it could be. corroborated with some other [ __ ]. that you have I think that's what most. [ __ ] artti artists are in most. fields I think it's usually useful. idiots like people like myself genuinely. like I am in some ways one of those. people in the sense that if I get fooled. by something I become that which is why.

it's so important to think really. carefully and to be okay with being. wrong because you never know what your. sources are yeah and that's also why I'm. really I'm really careful not to do very. many like leaks or whistle blows or like. because how do I know who the [ __ ] you. are I don't want to spend all the time. to try to vet you and find out where you. came from and your story came from I'd. way rather just learn there's so much to. learn weirdest things about jacqu fet's. work is that jacqu fet has been. documenting this stuff again like since. I think the 50s or the 60s when he. started but he's also documented.

historical stories and the historical. stories you mean like from before modern. times like 1700s 1800s and these stories. are the same story they're the same. story when people never even heard not. only that in the 70s he's documenting. this woman that in uh California found. an egg-shaped craft. in her yard like she she tells this. story about confronting this being. there's an egg shaped craft these. [ __ ] egg shaped crafts all described.

by people who don't know that someone. else has described this story and no one. would ever choose an egg shape when. they're describing an aircraft right. right especially back then and it's also. all telepathic communication it's all. like weird stories laps of time memories. confused you feel like your brain's been. erased don't know what's going on you. find yourself in a field how did I get. here there's a lot of weird [ __ ] that's. like the same story over and over and. over again too much so that you get.

first of all clearly when you're dealing. with things in the 17 and 1800s it's not. modern propaganda it's not the. government it's not they're not covering. up drones in the 1700s so why are these. people sing why are these stories in the. the [ __ ] bagavat G I mean you could. make the argument not the B but you. could make the argument that back then. people were writing fiction or wanted. attention like those could apply but I'm. skeptical but yeah I'm I get down with. the ancient ones like with the grand. Hancock of this world I love that was my. first conspiracy theory stuff back when. I was a leftist is I was just like. ancient conspiracy theories let's go and.

it's so compelling the great flood the. Randall Carlson of this world and the. way that they kind of talk about and. it's so obvious more and more and more. that there is a cover up and Jimmy. coretti has been really going hard at. mainstream archaeology lately of he's. fantastic right to not just look at the. evidence of the old school like the. ancient conspiracy theories but actually. to just go at the cover up today because. that sometimes is the most effective. thing is to just Target the cover up cuz. that is clear evidence that we're on to. something who knows what it is because. of Jimmy coretti and his exposure of.

them planting those trees in gole tape. he was one of the first people yeah. they're changing it they're pulling. those trees out cuz he was one of the. first people to say hey those roots are. going to damage these ruins and they're. like no no no it's fine it's safe and. then they're like actually the roots are. damaging ruins we have but then you do. get people that like go all the way to. uh like uh uh the god the one the guy. that thinks Nibiru is the fourth the. 12th Planet or whatever Zarin and like. there's people that go so far down these. ancient conspiracy theory rabbit holes.

that I feel like we're getting way off. track here guys like we're starting to. site sources that are not credible and. we're taking it to places where like. yeah maybe the Anunnaki were here to. mine gold and maybe we're I mean very. plausible that we're all genetically. engineered I think but there's there's. like a fine line between between maybe. that could be true and those stories are. the though they're the most fun I'm. actually I'm planning to write a book. that is sort of like a series of books. really in my like across my later life. that is basically imagine writing a book.

that is like said in the uh you could. write ancient books about the old school. where if that was book was real you. could still wind up in today's world. with all the same evidence we have and. it could be real even if back then it's. crazy magic and there's like all this. crazy [ __ ] going on it could still end. up with oh the pyramids are left over. from that and oh the the ruins are here. after that great flood thing happened. right and then you could like write all. kinds of crazy conspiracy theory stories. into today that that like how could you. prove that this is not real I think I. just think that's the most fun aspect is.

how much we don't know well there the. evidence of ancient technology is one of. the more fascinating aspects of trying. to piece together our past because. whatever explanation you try to use to. make the pyramids none of them work nope. not even close none of them work none of. them work none of them and even their. purpose doesn't make any [ __ ] sense. clearly they were not tombs I mean they. pretty clearly there was some sort of. power generation or something like that. energy seen um. Christopher I've been seeing Timothy the.

Grand Master of the nights Templar guy. that's going around on podcast these. days Timothy someone yeah dude it's. crazy Dow right Christopher Dow so. Christ Christopher Dow is Dunn. Christopher Dunn sorry Chris Christopher. dun a different guy's last name yeah. right yeah I'm thinking of Mike Dow from. the 72 the documentary corrupt Police. Department Christopher Dunn is all about. well he's an engineer and his theory was. that it was a giant power plant and he. has a very sophisticated geese of the.

power plant very is he talking about the. aquifers underneath them and the two. types of stone sort of a thing or he's. talking about the the physical structure. of the way the pyramid was made and that. there was excuse me the Subterranean. chamber that they used to generate like. a pounding of vibration that went. through the entire structure of the. pyramid had generated this vibration and. they had chemicals that were coming in. that were producing hydrogen he had the. king's chamber the way it's lined up. this is exactly how You' do it if you. were trying to do this it's like.

everything matches up mathematically. it's fascinating and they're built on. Aqua fores from the Nile flooding every. year and every year when the Nile floods. water rushes underneath those pyramids. through these like Stony kind of like. porous Rocky structures under there it's. just there's so many interesting. versions of what it could be at the very. least it's a mystery and it's it's also. a mystery that chose fantastic. engineering and construction methods and. the ability to move rocks and bring them. from 500 miles away through the.

mountains that are 50 tons like how I. suspect telepathy of some form I suspect. like alien capability do you think it's. technology or do you think it's like. well it's some kind of Technology right. you don't think it could possibly be. that aliens have the ability to. literally move things with their minds I. mean look if you're dealing with. something that can come here from. another planet. tath who knows whoer knows but even if. it's human beings let's say it's super. sophisticated human beings that lived at.

the very least 4,500 years ago because. that's the conventional dating of the. construction at even that you're like. how y we can't do it today how and. people that say we can't sure we could. it would take hundreds of years Jimmy's. done some Jimmy corset has done some. great videos where he compiles real. videos of us moving large objects today. and like the trucks breaking and the. cranes falling off of cliffs and all. this [ __ ] of like look at how hard it is. to move these kinds of rocks it's crazy. it's crazy and the idea that they were. completed in 20 years which is the the.

kuu total garbage and it's also like. these archaeologists are so they're. clinging to this narrative because this. is what they taught in school this what. they wrote books about and then when you. look at the conspir the cover up there's. no reason for that level of cover up if. it's just a Building Technology that's. where I start to go clearly that is. connected to these UAP Technologies to. these free Energy Technologies whatever. it is there has to be some sort of. reason why covering up how these ancient. structures and ancient cultures were. built and worked has to relate somehow.

to something very important and valuable. today I think they also have to somehow. another explain it because to say that. it's impossible opens up too many doors. and it removes the expert cuz you're not. an expert anymore because you're one of. us now you might know more about that. site than I do but you still don't know. what the [ __ ] happened so you have to. claim or at least push it out there. you're the voice of reason you're the. voice of this is this is the actual.

historians we're the real archaeologist. don't worry we've got it covered I saw a. really funny meme the other day that was. um it was like four pictures and it was. Humanity gets really intelligent invents. ai ai builds all these crazy. Technologies and pyramids sunflare wipes. out AI Humanity restarts it's like yeah. it could be that's a fair Affair I mean. how would we know or it could be the. asteroids that hit or the the Comets. that hit the younger D impact it is an. interesting split in the conversation. right between the solar flare.

conversation and the and the comet. impact conversation and there's like. evidence for both could have been both. or across per versions of it well that's. the younger D's impact Theory they think. there was more than one event they think. there was an event around 11,800 years. ago and then again around 10,000 plus. years ago and this this makes sense why. civilization sort of emerges six. years ago because it's like we were. probably [ __ ] savages for thousands. of years we're probably monsters Liv. that we only lived inside of sorts of.

like aora caves type places for a while. right found evidence of these massive. underground structures that they can't. explain why would someone use their. resources in a time of hunters and. gatherers to build these underground. structures that are [ __ ] insane like. multiple football fields underground. entire cities that can house thousands. people and a couple smart researchers. point out really astutely that if you. doing that to hide from other humans to. like protect yourself from other humans. you would never dig into a cave system.

that you could just get drowned in right. you would never dig into a cave system. that has no way out so that you can just. get sealed in that's clearly not it. wasn't to escape humans you'd have to. leave to get food Bingo you'd be trapped. like the Mongols used to like famously. sit outside cities for weeks just. waiting for people to starve just we'll. just wait we have plenty of food out. here. and that's another example of this exact. same phenomenon we're talking about of. these old control systems that worked. perfectly well in the old era and now. that we have these communication. Technologies and everyone's getting.

linked together it's just the free flow. of ideas that just it's like this. Natural Evolution of Consciousness and. Humanity that we just naturally start to. break through those mechan I'm I'm of. the mindset that yeah we can all change. the world and yeah we all our choices do. matter a lot but also in some ways we're. all just part of this Cosmic system of. like the evolu like we're all just part. of this giant Humanity system where we. all collectively on balance with all the. weird probabilities of all these people. we're going to evolve technology we were. going to Industrial revolutionize we.

were going to find oil we were going to. discover Electronics we were going to. invent AI it was always going to happen. and this is an era that is always was. going to happen and it will happen one. way or the other like we affect how it. happens we could go the Whitney web. dystopian like they rule us with. surveillance every everywhere or we. could go to this great Utopia of like. everyone has enough and we're all you. know technology for the better well. think I think she's right that that's a. possibility one to talk about too well. you know Elon talks about like there's. an 80% chance that AI will save us 20%.

chance that it will rule us I do respect. how he he openly will say that like like. yeah the things I'm inventing could be. used for evil like the things I'm. inventing are dangerous like and we need. to be careful and and regulate them. properly and create them with intention. and careful care I don't know as he's. necessarily doing as much as I would. hope he's doing to take care with that. but I'm sure glad it's him and not. Jeffrey Epstein who was deeply. interested in all these same. Technologies this is a whole other side. of him that no one talks about is his. interest in technologists and.

geneticists and all those things right. yeah well he had a lot of influence over. scientists that's a a creepy move to. like take scientists and throw parties. for them throw conventions for them and. a couple of them he had he prob a couple. of them had some serious accusations. like Marvin Minsky for example but I bet. a lot of them were not like compromised. like Stephen Hawking everyone freaked. out when stepen Hawking was on the list. but sense as you realize that he Wass on. that island for scientist specifically. to bring them all together that way you. get connections you can get favors even. if you're not blackmailing them then.

they just want to be in your on your. good side because you have all these. connections and you can fund all their. projects and you you become this. integral part of this techn. technological sort of. spaceil is not the only tool that's a. blunt instrument there's there's a lot. of just just connections he also just. hooked people up with wives like know. that he claimed that he introduced. Melania to Trump yeah yeah that's a. crazy one I suspect milania conspiracy. time I suspect that milania has been. whispering in Trump's ear I think she.

was trafficked before either either bad. trafficked or good or just like new. Epstein and like knew that world a. little bit but I suspect that she's been. whispering in his ear about what that. really is and does and all that things. cuz a lot of she's been kind of like. acting from the back a lot but when you. really dig into what Milani's been doing. she's very very uh active in. anti-trafficking. and in protecting traffic victims ands. and stuff and and As Trump when he. married her and then they have Baron and. he's watching his son grow up so you. have this young child and you have this.

wife telling you about her previous life. probably and just whispering in your ear. that like this could be your legacy this. could be your legacy this could be your. legacy right because he used to be. friends with those people even though I. don't think he I don't think he was. blackmailed because I think that would. have come out when the Democrats were. going for him right and maybe he was. involved in the trafficking a little bit. because of the things that he bought and. the people that he knew and like Ry con. connections but I don't even know about. that um but regardless he knows the game. and then he marries Melania and then. more and more like he was in charge when.

Epstein went down he was the only one. that when Epstein got arrested and they. were going around asking for dirt he was. like I'll fully [ __ ] cooperate [ __ ]. that guy I'll tell you everything that I. know and so I suspect that Milani has. been instrumental in his sort of shift. to being the only guy willing to go. after those traffickers out of all the. information that's getting disclosed. supposedly this. Administration what do you have the. least faith that we're going to come to. a conclusion and I think it's because of. Israel I think that because I think I.

mean when you really dig into Epstein. his entire network was Israel it was. clearly he like ahud Barack was the ex-. Prime Minister and the ex- head of. Israeli intelligence lesie Wexner was. one of the most powerful pro-israeli. philanthropists the whole organization. was Israel and I'm not saying it was all. of Israel it was all an intelligence. gathering and and it was targeting. Americans it was targeting American. officials and the American president and. the CIA does have interest in those. targets too elements in the CIA does. certainly they had help from the CIA and. certainly they had help from these other. organized crime and and intelligence.

operations but you don't like so for. example Dan Bonino the new uh what is he. deputy director of the FBI he recently. had this clip that went all around where. he said on camera that he had had a. source that he trusted deeply and he's. an informed guy he was at Fox news. interview and the source told him that. Epstein was working for an intelligence. agency in the Middle East and I don't. know which one but someone in the Middle. East and to be fair we all already knew. this we all we already know who he. worked for at least I think so but I'm. I'm looking okay Dan so if this giant.

group of Jewish billionaires is running. a sex trafficking operation targeting. American politicians and and business. people and stuff you think they're. working with an Arab or Muslim nation in. the Middle East like you think that. lesie Wexner is devoting his entire life. to philanthropies on behalf of Israel. but then he's going to work for Saudi. Arabia when he's doing this trafficking. R but if someone says to him that. they're all working for a country in the. Middle East knowing he knows what that. means but not specifying doesn't he kind. of have to repeat it that same way well.

he also has to repeat it the same way. because he won't get the job if he says. Israel because Israel has so much. control over our government right now. and I'm not saying that all Jews are in. on something clearly internet thank you. clearly interet and Joe is definitely. not saying that definitely not but um. the Israel's government is is every bit. as uh as vulnerable to the Deep State. effect as the American government but I. would argue that Israel's government is. way more vulnerable to it because of the. people that founded Israel and the way. it was founded it was founded in modern.

time much more recently by like it was a. revolutionary founding and and I I can. totally sympathize with the Jewish. desire to have that state like I get it. but because of the way that happened the. people that founded Israel were a bunch. of organized crime figures in America. the Jewish mob that were helping with. money and with arms trafficking to get. the guns there because they had to have. guns. and it was the Rothchild banking family. sending a whole bunch of money and. getting the Declaration in the first. place and then the people that were. there the three different organizations. the iron the Lehi group and the haa.

those were the three like paramilitary. groups that fought to found Israel and. they're like the heroes of Israel um. which I understand the narrative that. they're Heroes but when Israel was. officially founded they officially. designated Iran and Lehi as terrorist. organizations because they had been. bombing civilians they'd been bombing. British civilians the first official Act. of Terror before they changed the. definition was the bombing of the King. David hotel where these terrorists these. Lehi andon terrorists couple bunch of. different groups who one of the guy who.

planned that bombing later became the. prime minister of Israel they were. bombing civilians and and like so those. when those are the groups that are. fighting to found that Nation even if. all the Jews there are wonderful people. the leadership is inherently composed of. these people that have been deeply. corrupt for all time and so you get this. fertile ground for this kind of deep. State effect to take power and when you. start to research the heads of state of. Israel Over history you realize that a. bunch of them were in those groups doing.

those terrorist acts and have done a. bunch of dark stuff because those were. the people that were at the top of that. military organization like the those. terrorist organizations reformed to form. the IDF and what's interesting you can. talk about this now post October 7th. post Gaza you want to know a funny story. actually I didn't know [ __ ] about it and. I started doing 911 stuff and I was. doing a 911 video on my YouTube and I. knew about the dancing Israeli. conspiracy theory that is very much a. real set of documents and I knew that.

I'm not allowed to talk about Israel for. some reason and I didn't really know why. and I realized like I better [ __ ]. understand this thing before I crater my. new channel and career on this topic I. don't understand if I'm going to take a. stance against Israel at all I should. understand why and how and so I started. doing research and I I I sheld that. research and I switched to researching. Israel and Palestine and the history. there and what's going on and I finished. the video and it was October 6th and I. was like I I I was very worried because.

it's like you weren't allowed to talk. about it and I had just made this whole. documentary about the history of Israel. Palestine and and the propaganda and. what it all was and I published it on. October 6th on my locals Channel and I. kind of had this like lean back and like. if that's the end of the ride and I get. canceled for this [ __ ] so be it and then. literally the next day and I'm not. saying that October 7th was a good thing. thing but I'm saying that literally the. next day the entire internet was a blaze. about Israel and Palestine and everyone. was talking about it and it was the. weirdest [ __ ] coincidence like I and.

and suddenly it was like oh all right. let's [ __ ] dig this thing open. because unfortunately it is I mean I. think fortunately I think that the state. the state of the Israeli influence that. that sustained them for so long that was. essential to them surviving this long I. think that it has grown cancerous to the. Jewish faith in general because Jeffrey. Epstein is the perfect example of this. Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most. prolific and evil sex trafficker that we. know of so far ever and he very clearly.

was a Jewish organization of Jewish. people working on behalf of Israel and. other groups and so that's a dark stain. on Israel and on the Jewish people if. you own it like if you try to defend. that that's not good you don't want to. have to defend that you want to be free. of that kind of [ __ ] because the Jewish. people don't believe in that that's not. what Jews are Jews are regular people. it's the Deep state of the intelligence. agencies in Israel and the thing about. Israel is that Jewish people have every. incentive to need to defend Israel right. because if I'm a Jew it's like of course.

you have to defend Israel like that's. very understandable it's your people and. you don't want another Holocaust like. you don't want another like what Jew. like Jews have been in conflict with. other people for ages because they are. Outsiders and because they are so. different and because they group up and. lots of reasons but you don't like as a. Jewish person you're now facing with. this Choice do I stand by Israel Always. Forever for everything and defend. everything they do or do I get labeled. as a self-hating Jew like Dave Smith. gets labeled like like Glenn Greenwalt.

gets labeled do I stand against all of. my culture and do I get ostracized by my. family and by my community but the. problem is that if you have to defend. everything that Israel does you're. forced to defend this [ __ ] deep state. that is in bed with these organized. crime figures and I would argue that. that Israeli deep state is just as much. in bed with all the other organized. crime as our deep state is as the Saudi. deep state is like there's evil people. at the top of all these governments well. the thing is Israel is connected to One. race of people character whereas the.

United States which also is involved in. a lot of really [ __ ] up things all. over the world when people think about. the United States they don't think about. it as one Bingo yeah yep and so it just. puts us all in this impossible situation. and it's this it's an impossible. conversation that we all and and I'm. glad for it because it's a maturing. process and I think we need to do it. very delicately and very carefully and. thoughtfully because Jewish people are. people and they're not evil like but. there are evil Jewish people and there. are evil American people and they evil. Saudi people and it's just That's the. Way It Is Well said right and so and so.

I welcome the conversation but. unfortunately the thing for me. fortunately is when I first researched. it I came across this documentary on. Rumble called the occupation of the. American mind which is a very well put. together documentary that is mostly. Jewish people speaking about the history. of Israel and about how they realized in. the 80s when they were there was this. specific operation where they they wound. up bombing this refugee camp called. Sabra and shatilla um or a refugee camp. in a place called saign Chilla and there.

there was other bombing like atrocities. it was like I guess it was a massacre it. wasn't a bombing um and it was the first. time where Western journalists had taken. video cameras over there and video feed. were coming back of the conflict of what. was happening and American sentiment. turned really harshly against Israel in. the 80s there and they realized we don't. need to win just the the kinetic War we. need to win the ideological war on the. global scale because if we don't win. that ideological war the whole world. will turn against us and can call us a.

colonial project which I would argue. they kind of are but that's not the. point here and I don't mean to say I'm. necessarily right about my perspective. on that but that's when they switched to. a propaganda war and they started. targeting the United States with. propaganda and they hired the world's. top propagandists to tell to teach. Israelis and Israeli military officials. and government officials how to. communicate with the west and how to. propagandize the West so that we would. remain in the dark a little bit that's. why we have this Veil and this. anti-Semitism thing and this like all. the it's why you're not allowed to talk.

about it because it evolved over time. and they eventually H they hired this. guy that I think it's called Howard Lun. um and Lun worked with the Israel. project there's a report online that. came out in 2009 I think called the. Israel the Israel language dictionary. the Israel American language dictionary. and it's basically a word for word this. is this is how you discuss the Rockets. raining down this is how you discuss the. settlements this is how you discuss the. occupation and the palace and all these. things and they use examples of words.

that work and words that don't work and. when you read it you realize like holy. [ __ ] that's exactly what politicians. have been saying on TV my entire life. and they use Obama as one example of. really good words that work you should. talk like Obama because he's good at. sort of empathizing with the other side. and and making us understand that like. we're here for peace and they're the. terrorists and. and I say that to mean that we live. inside this propagandized space because. it's been essential to them for so long. to protect that image in order to.

continue the Deep State element of what. they're doing when I would argue that we. would all be much better off if BB was. [ __ ] not there and we had a more sane. person in charge of Israel that was. actually there for peace and not there. for whatever the [ __ ] BB is doing and we. could start to heal this thing and talk. about it and most people in en public. aren't even aware that the Israeli. people were protesting against Netanyahu. before October 6 kicked out hundreds of. thousands of people in the streets and. that it had been going on for a long.

time 100% yeah I suspect I'm hoping I'm. not blowing the lid on Trump's idea here. I kind of suspect that Trump is kind of. in on a coup against Netanyahu right now. this is just my theory based upon the. way he talked about like occupying Gaza. and the way he's friends with Jared. Kushner and the way he's friends with. the adelon I suspect that these powerful. Jews like the Adon type people are. starting to realize that Netanyahu is is. kind of sinking this ship and he's kind. of [ __ ] it all up and that it's not. going well for Israel in the public. conversation like I can I can ratio just.

about anyone I want on Twitter over the. Israel thing because the public. sentiment is just shifting and it's not. it's not healthy for anyone for Jewish. people or anyone else and I'd suspect. that the powerful Jewish people are. starting to see that and are starting to. scheme on how do we [ __ ] get. Netanyahu out of there and put someone. in that that can actually. move us towards some s oface because. without a genuine for like Nyah is on. [ __ ] cameras saying that they have. propped up Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

because they don't want a real. government in the Gaza Strip because. it's far better for them to run this. occupation and to eventually take the. land if Hamas is I mean I'm that's not. an exact quote um everyone should look. that up for themselves but not just. propped up but funded exactly yeah and. intentionally like kept there just when. you hear that you're like well what's. the for funding Hamas what what what. Logic the exact same logic is US funding. the Taliban yeah it's the exact same. logic exact same strategies did you see. that God I wish I would remember where.

it was happening where someone had to. say are we really sending the Taliban. $40 million yeah we were yeah 100% yeah. and and it's and it happens over and. over and over again as we just are like. we're just sending money willy-nilly to. all these like Ukraine Israel Taliban. you name it like and those are just a. small spattering we've done it across. the whole world Indonesia Central and. South America forever and it's this. Playbook of the deep state is a funny. term I think it's kind of time to retire. it cuz it's not the Deep State it's like. this corporate like transnational.

corporate criminal organization space. where transnational corporations like. the banks like JP Morgan Jamie Diamond. they were banking Jeffrey Epstein they. don't answer to us they're not American. they don't give a [ __ ] about America. like they give a [ __ ] about money and. power and they're legally required to. cuz they're a public corporation that's. a Black Rock we can go down it's crazy. and so like when you look at it as as. people who have this globalist and. actually that's why people [ __ ] on Alex. Alex Jones for saying globalists like.

all all the [ __ ] anti-jew people are. like just say the Jews and it's like no. dude like there's way more going on here. and the and the tie that binds all of. them together the CLA Schwabs of this. world the the Jeff Bezos is the and I. don't know maybe Jeff's a good guy I. don't know but like the people that. don't think in terms of these are my. people and I love them but rather I'm. like a piece of This Global community of. billionaires that like our job is just. to make money and [ __ ] control the. world like Bill Gates is a great example. they live outside of our world and they.

do not give a [ __ ] if covid kills 10,000. people or 100,000 people or 10 million. people whatever and I'm I'm generalizing. because obviously they are individuals. and they each have their own perspective. on what's going on but it feels to me. from researching there's enough of them. that are evil that they're [ __ ] doing. some horrible things and the ones that. are a little less evil maybe they know. what they're in on maybe they only know. some of it because you don't have to. disclose everything and these kinds of. plans like for example in a CIA plot to. overthrow the government of Guatemala.

you're not telling everyone the whole. plan they didn't tell Smedley Butler no. they didn't tell them [ __ ] they they. told him that like this they told him. that they were going to overthrow a. communist that was already taking over. the like and I think they probably told. him that he was a Jewish communist cuz. they think they were rioting on like. FDR's second in command was Henry. morganthau Jr and he was deeply aligned. with the Jewish like the the rich Jewish. kind of powers in the world at that day. and there was a lot of anti-jewish. sentiment back then and so I I suspect. that they told Smedley Butler that like.

this this guy's a [ __ ] Jewish plant. and he's part of the Rothchild thing and. like we need he's a communist we need to. overthrow him and Smedley didn't buy it. Smedley collected [ __ ] research on. them and he went to FDR and he exposed. the whole plot but the problem was that. FDR couldn't do anything because these. people Titans of Industry like uh like. the bushes of the world the Fords the I. don't even know all their names at this. point it's been a while since I did that. dig um he couldn't do anything and so. nothing happened he couldn't charge them. because they just said you just got out. of the Great Depression we will [ __ ].

your economy up done done and they have. so much power let's bring this to a. [ __ ] halt yeah enough you freak me. out the rest of my thing up dude I know. let's real quickly though let's real. quickly though be clear Joe does not. agree with everything that I just said. on this podcast what you said Yeah Joe. doesn't know. shitet and. right and also like I'm perfectly. willing to have a conversation about. this like I don't know that I'm right.

about everything I just know the sources. I've read and where I've read them and. and I try my best to figure out where. they are very very reasonable very. reasonable in the way you do this and I. think it's a valuable service so thank. you very much thanks it was a lot of fun. too it was it was very enjoyable uh tell. everybody how they can find you yeah um. find me on X Ian Carrol show and I have. a new that just launched which is. cancelan carol.com so cancel me [ __ ]. come at me bye everybody. [Music].