Joe Rogan Experience #2274 - Mike Baker

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. ALL DAY. My Baker, good to see you, my friend. It's good to be seen. Thank you, Mr. Rogan. Thank you. He taking notes already? I am. He said, "Good to see you.". Yeah, I know. I don't know why I I do. this. So, tell everybody what you were doing. in the Middle East cuz it's pretty. crazy. Pretty interesting.

Yeah, thank you for that. Um look, it. all started with uh some uh some. colleagues of mine from the UK Special. Forces Club. And these guys are tremendous, right? But uh Howard Leadom and and some others. who. came up with an idea. They said, "Look, we have to do something to help the the. Benevolent Fund, which is. uh for the UK Special Forces. It's like. um. uh it's like Wounded Warriors here in. the States. But and I can say this cuz I'm a dual. citizen with uh the UK. Um. the British don't tend to be very good. at raising money. or or asking for money for very.

important causes. So, here in the US. where you've got 100,000 different, you. know, groups that are advocating for. veterans, over there it's not the case, right? But. they have the same need, right? And they. have all these these wonderful people. and their families. So, the idea was. what can we do? A big event, something. massive that can they can really help to. raise funds and awareness for the the. Special Forces Benevolent Fund. They. came up with this crazy idea at the. time, still crazy, to recreate. um a 1917 uh epic journey that Lawrence.

of Arabia did through what was. considered the impassable deserts of. Saudi and uh Jordan to go from. essentially northwest Saudi through. these impassable deserts and then into. Jordan and then down to Aqaba to route. the Turks, who at the time controlled. the area. And um with a small Arab army. led by several sheikhs uh and Lawrence, they did this trek of about 1,100 km. Um took them several months because they.

had to stop along the way, plus they. were fighting Turks along the way. So, um. we took off in January, mid-January, five riders, uh 10 camels, and an incredible support team. And an. incredible support team. just stop you there? Is this your first. time riding a camel? Well, we went out in December, spent. about a week and a half. Howard um lives. out there as to do uh one of the other. fellows. And um. So, you had to go through camel riding. training? Camel riding training. You That's.

exactly what we did. Yeah, oh. God. What is it like riding a camel? It is not comfortable in any fashion. It's not like a horse. A horse has you. can fall into sort of a rhythm, and a. horse has a much smoother gait. Um you know, so the camel basically all. you're trying to do there there's the. there's the crew. Um wonderful guys. Howard, James, uh myself, Tomo, uh. there's uh there's Craig in the back. Uh. an amazing crew. I've I've rarely worked. with with guys that are just so. impressive. And and and again, going.

with the support team. Everybody that. was on that group, a small group of of. eight or or nine folks, um. Why does everybody ride with one leg to. the side like that? Um. it's essentially a comfort issue. And. because of you'll notice there's no. those those they're not really saddles, they're called shidads uh that sit on. top of the the hump. That's a Saudi. shidad. The Omani shidad is different, it sits behind the hump and is even less. comfortable. Um and now these things. were probably designed some 2,000 years. ago, and they've never felt the need to. improve them. They're basically just.

some wood uh you know, tied together. And then you try to throw a couple of. things on top of this piece of wood to. make it comfortable. And I think all the Bedouins and others. were laughing at us cuz we just kept. piling blankets on to try to see if we. couldn't Yeah, it was it was tough. And. um and so, ass blisters are a real. thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so anyway, they That's what That's. what That's what you see there, but. there's no stirrups on these things. Like a horse, you know, you you ride and. you have on the saddle, you got stirrups. and it takes the pressure off your legs. You're just hanging on. So, you don't.

want to ride with one leg on either side. cuz it's just not It's just not. comfortable. So, you hitch your leg over. the the front um. and then you you kind of put your leg or. your foot behind the other leg. because they're too wide? Um. Is that why you don't want to ride one. leg on the other side or is it just a. ball buster literally? I'll tell you it's a ball buster uh. particularly if that shouldad shifts and. it starts to like lean forward and then. suddenly like there's these these large. dowels in the front, large dowel in the. back, you know, they kind of basically. look like big wooden dildos on the. shouldad and so if that shouldad shifts.

forward as it did on occasion, your just. your your package is just jammed against. that thing. And you have to cover these. guys. Look, I got injured. Uh I had some. soft uh muscle injury and and uh there's. there's the crew walking through. um. and I tore some muscles in my rib cage. uh. Doing it just riding? No, it was a rather. uh inelegant uh. dismount. from the camel. And so I twisted uh. really badly and then went the other way. and then the next thing you know, I'd. I'd uh [ __ ] up some uh the.

muscles along my obliques and then rib. cage area. And so I spent the next couple of days. We had a team medic uh Jed, a wonderful. guy. Great sense of humor as did they. all and he eventually got tired of me. like asking him for painkillers and. anti-inflammatories. Um and so I eventually had to tap out. which was uh. more painful probably than than the. actual injuries. And the guys just continued to grind it. out. 25. was left when you. Oh, I was I was in the first 25% of the.

of the journey. So, I had to and then I. went back for the uh for the end for the. arrival into Aqaba. There's the whole. crew right there. Just I I just can't. say enough about these these people. Um. again, 25 26 days, longer than that. actually, a month out in really bad. conditions. People think, "Oh, it's a. desert, right?" Well, it's called the. impassable desert for a reason. Massive. sandstorms, freezing temperatures at. night, bitter cold, and we were sleeping. in one-man tents. And. then you'd get up, you'd.

you'd get the camels ready. You know, how much supplies did you bring? Well, did you have a supply camel? We had a we. had. Land Rover did a wonderful job of. helping to sponsor this. So, they provided vehicles that the support. team used to kind of trail and then get. ahead and and help to to establish the. next and we had we had. Howard and Craig had done the the recce, so we we had the camps mapped out. because this is a long trek, 1,100 km.

And. and so they were able to to supply and. and do all the work that kept these guys. moving forward. And imagine doing that. without them. Oh, it would it would have. been it. it wouldn't have been impossible, but it. they'd still be out there schlepping. Yeah. Jesus, you'd have to bring several. camels just to carry your food and. water. Yeah, no, it's exactly right. There's no water out there, right? Uh. no. No, yeah, I mean there's there's a. there's a spring occasionally. Yeah, you. you could you you pass through a handful.

of areas near small, I mean when I'm. saying small, I mean like this, nothing. there, little tiny village. Maybe. there's a mosque and the mosque would. have a water supply, so you could stop. and and and maybe refill, let the camels. drink. Are they getting water from the. ground or are they getting water from. are they bringing it in? a well. Yeah, from from a well. So, they have they. have I don't know because you know, talking thousands of years, they figured. out where the wells are. And part of. this, you know, from 1917, it look the. Turks never expected these guys to come. from this direction cuz who's going to. do that? And they did it.

These guys all did it. I was just I was. just honored to be a part of it even. though I had to tap out, which was. goddamn, that was frustrating. me what that looks like on a map? All. right, it's February and by now 80% of. people have probably abandoned their New. Year's resolutions and it makes sense. Life can get crazy and all of a sudden. you don't have the time. But one easy. habit to stick with is AG1. It's an. easy, realistic habit that you can make. to benefit your whole body health. AG1. makes hard to get micronutrients easy to.

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and five free AG1 travel packs with your. first subscription at. drinkag1.com/joerogan. That's a $76 value gift for free when. you go to drinkag1.com/joerogan. Check it out. Like what that area looks like? Yeah, I should have I should have. included a a map of the the route. itself. Um. So it's just a like tell me where to. look. Um look for. Al Wajh Al Wajh Saudi.

Um. uh on the on the coast. sort of northwest Saudi. um. and um. Look at Jamie spelling it correctly and. everything. This guy This guy's crazy. Look at that. No, he's right there right there at the. top. So we we started at in Al Wajh um and. then yeah, there you go. There you go. Now click out and then you start you. start heading uh north. You start. heading northeast. You can see Jordan is. up there above that area. You you start.

heading sort of on a diagonal um. northeast. Uh you pass through all just look at it. It's just like what the hell. And you. keep going, you keep going. Eventually. you get if you if you. zoom out a little bit so you'll see the. the border with Jordan. Okay, you go up past and keep keep going. in that direction. Then you see yeah. looks inhospitable. There's just not a lot there. And then. you come up to where Jordan is. But. anyway, at the end of the day you see. Aqaba. We came down through Jordan and. into Aqaba which is at the tip there.

right there. Yeah. Which is where the fort was, which is. where they routed the Turks and then. eventually that that created all sorts. of opportunities for the Arab states. look at this whole area. There's [ __ ] no green. No, no there's not. There's tiny parcels of semi-green. areas. Yeah. No, there's there's there's when. when I say it's desolate and there's. nothing. Um. there's there's nothing. You go. Jamie, zoom back out again. Look how. wild that looks. Like what happened? So these. the these uh.

Doesn't it all look washed out Jamie? This is all Randall Carlson stuff, right? Yeah, and we went. through the the royal reserve. The. Saudis were very good and the Jordanians. were amazing as well. Jamie, what were you saying? this basin. Looks like it all washed. down. Yeah, it totally looks like it washed. Yeah, you'll find you'll find like the. all these wadis that are in there that. you know, it's essentially there's a lot. of dried up riverbeds. And you know, the. danger is of course that there flash. floods on occasion. Not not not very. often. Um.

but so this this this thing took place. and they eventually um. the whole thing ended in Aqaba. Again, the Jordanians couldn't couldn't have. been greater about supporting this. Um I. think everybody I know the Bedouins when. we got started, they were staring at us. like what the hell are you doing? They. couldn't imagine that people would do. this willingly. Right. For for no. from their perspective no reason. Americans and Europeans. Man, I tell you what. I I. I know I know when I got injured I I I. know every single one of those damn son.

of a [ __ ] were laughing. They were. like, "What the hell?" And then uh and. they were looking at like the our. sherdads with all these blankets and and. and furs on them trying to tell them. make it somewhat comfortable. Those guys must have leather balls. Yeah, yeah. I think or they just had. them removed. I don't know how you do it. because and then you have to trot, right? You can't just walk. Walking was. comfortable enough. But you have to you have to cover the. distance, right? And the trot on a camel. is is not comfortable, right? And so it. was.

Anyway, I I just can't say enough good. things about these people. But the cause the the UK Special Forces. Club Benevolent Fund if people want to. go and and read more about this they can. go to uh. What is it? wwwsfcbf. You keep using the W's. Everybody else. gave. I guess I don't have to. I don't guess I. So that's three W's and then. Everybody used to say that. People used. to say HTTP colon backslash. those days. I still do because I think that's what. you have to do. So it's f sfcbf.org.

You can go there. You check it out and. if you're so inclined there's even a. button you can click on to donate even. if it's a price of a cup of coffee. If. you if you get enough people putting in. the price of a cup of coffee it makes a. huge difference for these people. Um but. uh it was it was. one of those bucket list items that I. just can't describe enough. When you see some of the things that. USAID fund. Does it get you upset that they don't. fund things like this? Yeah. Yeah, it really does. Does me too. It does me too. It's just. it's come on.

Cuz this is this is a direct, right? It. as as is Wounded Warriors as are all the. other groups. It's a direct way to help. people, you know, and it's not like they. they've got, you know, massive. administrative costs, right? Like like. the the government tends to. Right. And so no, absolutely god damn right. I. just It seems to me and so we you know, we were fortunate to have a lot of you. know, corporations that went in on it. You know, there were some that looked at. it and goes, "Okay, so let me see. You're talking about five white guys on. camels, you know, recreating what we. think is a what It was still sort of the.

vestiges of that [ __ ] DEI thing, right? From a corporate perspective. So, we were like, "No, god damn it. It's. sporting, you know, veterans. How. difficult and their families, how tough. is that to understand?" But, you know, some. You're just taking a difficult trek. It. doesn't mean you support colonialism. Yeah, no, exactly. You know, and by the. way, the the the Arab shieks led the. way, right? It was their effort. have to look at things through this lens. of who in the furthest left cookiest. perspective is going to be offended by. this cuz it's just white people in the. desert.

Yeah. If anything, it should give you a. perspective on how unbelievably brutal. the times were back then. No, absolutely. And you. And you also you also think that. honestly, it's just Look at the cause. Look at the. reason for it, right? But, I do think I. think that I think we are on the. on the on the downhill slope of DEI, right? I think that the I think the. grifters who built up that cottage. industry are going to have to be looking. for new jobs cuz I think most companies.

are starting to think, "You know what? Let's get off of this thing.". Yes. So, I think so, too. And I also think. that if you look at the overall body of. work that they've produced, it's very um. it's very obvious what many of them are. doing. I think there's some genuinely. good people that are involved in this. that really want to do good work. They're very sensitive, kind souls. They. probably grew up rich. Probably grew up rich. Um but, I think. there's a lot of lot of grifters, too, unfortunately. And the grifters, they've.

they've been so egregious and obvious. that I think it's turned a lot of people. off. Even rational, kind, compassionate, progressive people. are like, "Enough. This is [ __ ]. stupid.". Yeah. Yeah. Especially when you hear like the the. anti stuff. It's not just like pro. whatever you are, it's anti whatever. you're not. Yeah. And then you realize, "Okay, this. is not like this is not rational. This. is this is cult-like thinking and this. is. a thing where if you don't agree, the.

the punishment is very it's very grave. Like they're they'll go after you so. hard if you don't agree with them." And. then you kind of realize what it is. Like. And then eventually they start to eat. their own. And so. never be progressive enough. No. No. No. The the mob's always going. to turn on on no matter who you are and. how righteous you pretended to be. Um so. I and I agree with it. Yeah, good people. with good intentions, you know, in mixed. in. But I think a lot of people saw this. as a terrific opportunity, right? And I. also think that what it what it taught.

me was that yes, I am a racist. I hate. uh I hate elite. uh progressive white people. More than more than I just I can't stand. them. It's the one group that I I would. say that I I just can't stand them. because they're very There's something. about them and uh. I feel sorry for them. I feel I feel I feel like at this point. in our our culture, uh the divisions are so [ __ ] crazy. and it's so counter to what America. should be standing for, which is a a.

United States, a united country, a. community. A large group of people that all agree. on a few very key rules, one of them. being freedom. And I think that. Seems logical. Yeah, it's We got to stop all this. division is set up not by us. It's set. up by world leaders. It's set up by the. media. It's set up by the people who. benefit from keeping us divided. Most of. us agree on a lot. And one of the things. you're seeing is like from all these USA. disclosures.

is the mainstream media cannot ever say. that anything this administration is. doing is positive. So even if they find. unbelievable. corruption. Right. and they've found some really wild [ __ ]. Like what was the $4.7 trillion. in untraceable money? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I sent that to you, right? Yeah. Yeah, you did. Yeah, that was that. was DOJ, you know, was. digging through. the.

you know, essentially the way that money. is audited within the government. And. they look at. the the the the data sets and how things. are divided and how you have to explain. what's going on. And the idea is that. there's there there's a lack of of links. to payments, outgoing payments, budget line items. So, this payment goes. out, what is it for, right? You I mean, it would be the same thing if you had a. Well, and I do, I have a business. And. in that business, you have to know what.

you're spending your money on, right? I. mean, that's a logical thing. I'm not a. rocket scientist. Um but what they're. saying is that they've they've Well, there you go. Yeah, here it is. So, it's a Treasury. Access Symbol, TAS, is an identification. code linking Treasury payment to a. budget line item, standard financial. process. In the federal government, the. TAS field was optional for $4.7 trillion. in payments and was often left blank, Yeah. making traceability almost impossible. As of Saturday, this is now a required.

field, increasing insight into where. money is actually going. Um so, thank you US Treasury for the. great work. If I've got if I it would be like if I. got my monthly reports, my monthly. numbers from our finance director, um. and I looked at it There's the outgoing. line, so I can see how much money's. going out, but there's nothing that. links it to where did it go? Did it go. to pay a vendor? Did it go to pay rent? Did it go to pay staff? Who bought a jet? Who bought a jet? Yeah. By the way, when. a company buys a jet, it's usually.

that's a key fraud indicator, If a company buys a jet? Not all companies. UFC bought a jet. Let me just Let me just make a note of. that. A UFC jet. No, it's What I mean is obviously it's. not like if it's Nike or you know an. established you know large business. But you're making so much money you can. buy a jet. Right. If you're if you've got a. business that. in in a space and it's a growing. business or it's a new business or a. startup whatever. A purchase of a jet usually is a fraud. indicator on the list of all the fraud.

indicators. to cash in your meme coin. Yeah. I'm not cashing mine. Have you thought about a Mike Baker meme. coin yet? You know what? It's funny you should say. that. It seems like it's legal gambling is. what it is. And it seems like even. though it's horrible to do and very. unethical to dump it to pump and dump. it. It seems like that's legal for some. weird reason. Yeah. You know cuz I know that's the the the. turmoil around the Hawk Tua coin and. that's the fear about the Trump coin and.

I think didn't the president of. Argentina do a pump and dump as well. allegedly? Well allegedly yeah. What did he do Jamie? That is getting way messy this week. I. want to speculate. All sorts of [ __ ]. going on with that. What do you think's happening? Coffeezilla had a video come out like. late last night. He's the guy you do not want. investigating your [ __ ] coin. Some guys admitting to stuff that I. didn't sound. They're admitting it? Yeah, I don't that's where I was like I. didn't even watch the videos yet. I'm. just seeing the stuff on Twitter. trying to figure out is a way to do it. where you don't pump and dump it because.

anybody can kind of make money now which. is so strange. And we're like we make a. JRE coin if we What if we didn't dump. it? What if we didn't pump and dump it? Like what would it be for? Would it be How can you just do that? How can you. the reg the regulations are. have not caught up yet. Right? So and. you see that. Any any new any any any. new emerging. business industry technology, you know, you I think there are people who look. and go there's an opportunity here. because you know regulatory policy. hasn't caught up. Right. And so you know, buy your own.

Portnoy has been paying attention to all. this and he's been buying coins and. tweeting about them and then selling. them and and he's been making a lot of. money and he's like am I going to jail? Like what is. what is this? Cuz you know you're making. real money. I think didn't he make like. a million dollars off of one of them? I don't know I just heard that he's. involved in this too now. It reminds me. He's involved in what? Which one? The. Argentina thing? I don't that I that's what I don't know. Well fill me in dog. I'm trying to find out. I don't like. there's a it's called Libra coin I think. and I don't know if that's the same as. the Argentina coin.

I think that's what it is. Going through like whether or not he. knew stuff before or who told him and. what did he know and. The Portnoy? And when did he know it? He's pretty careful. Yeah. He's pretty careful. I doubt I doubt he. did anything illegal. Also he's so. wealthy he doesn't have to do anything. illegal. I was going to say. But then again people get [ __ ] crazy. greedy. They yeah they do. How much is it is. enough? Um. Well they hang out with other. billionaires. That's the problem. Yeah and you're always comparing. yourself to the guy who's got three. billion. You got one billion and you're. not How the [ __ ] can you have that much.

money and not be happy? That's the part. I don't understand. Well that's where it gets weird but I. get it. Like if I hang out with Elon. Musk I feel poor. So does everybody else on the planet. Yeah. Yeah he's still the richest guy right? like really really rich people you feel. poor even if you're really wealthy. Well that's the funny that's the funny. thing with him. I always think like. right now the past couple of weeks in. particular it seems like people are just. losing their [ __ ] and dropping onto the. fainting couch over the idea that he's. accessing your your your private. information right? What's he going to.

do? He's accessing your private. information and you think okay well. first of all I don't think the guy is is. looking to scam you out of 500 bucks. right? It's like. The argument's good. Like he shouldn't. be able to scan your information but. Yeah. Also is there any evidence that he's. doing that? And here's the other. question. Who else has access to this? Well it turns out every company out. there. a lot of people have access to this even. students that are interns who work in. the department have access to this. Yeah I think what they're doing is. they're. They're making an argument and it's a. good one right? If you have a look if he.

was evil if you do have this evil. billionaire who wants to control the. world and has access to everyone's. credit card and just steals all your. money or does whatever. Didn't that used to be Jeff Bezos? I. thought I thought he was the guy who. they were focused on who was the. for a while, but he just balling. Jeff. is just like hanging out on his yacht. banging his super hot wife. Like he's. having a good time. That sounds that sounds a lot better. than like chasing government waste and. fraud, frankly. Yeah, but like I remember when Elon Musk.

was criticizing him for not working hard. enough. I'm like. What does work for? That guy's getting 200 billion dollars. I think you can chill. When you get 200. billion dollars, then it's time to get. that [ __ ] crazy yacht. Yeah, once you start launching your own. rocket ship. Yeah, you got a rocket ship like a dick. You're literally trying to [ __ ] space. Powers. Yeah, have a good time. I like the way. Jeff Bezos is doing it. Yeah, I. I mean, but I'm I appreciate the fact. that Elon is so psychotic in his drive. It's bizarre.

But in also in the face of overwhelming. hate. Oh my god. It is it is. I mean on part of me finds it very. entertaining. Part of me just looks at. it and goes, all you got to I mean, I. think they what they're having a problem. with is two things. Is the the. the messaging and the means of doing. this, right? Everybody you would think. would agree that oh, you're going to go. through government spending with a. fine-tooth comb. You're going to you're. going to find the waste and and abuse. and fraud. Fantastic, right? Everybody. gets on board with that. that Clinton ran on. Right, exactly.

And implemented during his first term. Actually implemented. Very effectively, by the way, and it was. a huge boon to our economy. Yeah, and and but again, the messaging. was different. Well, it's also it's. were different. The Democrats were different. That was a. different kind of a Democrat. That was. the kind of Democrat I would vote for. right now. I'd vote for Bill Clinton. despite all the blow jobs and all the. crazy [ __ ]. Well, but but you weren't involved in. that, so. I think that they all did that. I think you get two types of people who. want to be president, [ __ ] hounds and. warmongers. I prefer [ __ ] hounds.

you could be both. Yes, you could be Genghis Khan. Yeah, yeah, he used both. Good good use of the pronunciation, Genghis. Well, that I was I'm actually listening. to an amazing podcast I'd love to. recommend to everybody cuz Elon. recommended it on X and I've been. listening to it. It's [ __ ] great. Fall of Civilizations podcast. They're. doing a series on the Mongols right now. Uh Terror in the Steppes and I am. listening to it right now. So, that's.

why I'm saying Genghis correctly. Okay, no, that's great. All right. Yeah, they even explained the. pronunciation. They explained where it. came from and how how it got [ __ ] up. over the years of translation into. languages that didn't have "ch" in They. didn't have that sound. And so, Genghis. Khan became Genghis Khan, you know, especially when European languages. started translating it. Yeah. That makes Yeah, everything I know. about Khan I learned from uh Mulan. Do you know they didn't even [ __ ]. know about this whole story until the. 1800s?

They they found a Chinese book and the. Chinese book was written They thought it. was nonsense. They they couldn't figure. out what it was saying because it was. written where the Chinese characters. made the Mongol sounds of the words. And. so, they had to translate it from. Chinese to the Mongolian language and. then they realized this was the history. of Genghis Khan and the Khan empire. Okay, yeah. It's [ __ ] the. Yeah. the Secret History of the Mongols. It's. [ __ ] amazing. This document This. podcast is fantastic.

Yeah, that that's that does sound good. because again, I think. when you consider how we're all. apparently carrying some of his DNA. around. Not us. Yeah. Not us. Not Europeans. Mostly Asians, right? Okay. Well, I have a little Asian in me. I. have like 1% Asian. Really? Yeah. Yeah, 1% Asian. Close to 2% African. It's like the the. but I'm from Sicily, my my ancestors. And so I think. those are the ones that got raped by the. Moors. That's in the movie True Romance.

Remember? Oh yeah, that was uh. scene? Yeah, Christopher Walken and. Christian Slater? No, not Christian. Slater. Christopher Walken. And who was. it with him? True Romance. There was a whole There was a whole. series of people there. Bruce Dern. Right. Who's Who's laying there? Hopper. Dennis Hopper. Dennis Hopper. That's right. Christopher. Walken and Dennis Hopper, right? who it was? Yeah, that's who it was. They had They. had a I remember that They had a scene. together that I remember that. good. Yeah. Um. [ __ ] that movie's good. That is a great. [ __ ] movie. But uh but yeah, I think um.

if if if they had come in, if the. administration had come in and said, "Here's what we're going to do. We are. going to root out waste and fraud. We're. going to go after, you know, every. dollar that's not spent on behalf of the. American public and our national. security uh and advancing American. interests um and we're going to do it in. this efficient, you know, manner." But. you know, and and again, don't get me. wrong. I think sometimes that, you know, the disruption of fast action is is. extremely beneficial at times. And you.

sometimes you can't see the benefit. until other things happen outside the. the bubble that we may be looking in. But I think that um if they had if they. had messaged it a little bit differently. and then the with the means of rather. than taking a blowtorch to everything um. because and and again, not saying that. it can't be effective, but what I'm. saying is that they're losing. they're losing I think important. opportunity from a goodwill perspective. and I know they probably don't give a. [ __ ] anymore, but the all those people. who voted, right, for them this time.

around, gave them that chance that. didn't the previous time, they said, "Oh, [ __ ] it. I'm so done with the Biden. administration and all this bullshit.". Um they. you know, they need to see. I think more stability, less chaos. And. I think the Democrats are very good. I. think we all thought perhaps that the. the progressives of Democrats were just. going to go into a cave and hide, but. they're regrouping, right? And they're. they're they're starting to come back. They're growing beards. They're all getting on testosterone. Yeah. Yes, that's right. Suddenly the. toxic male is is very attractive.

You know, shame they don't have any. But. um I think that uh. I think that if they. if you give them ammunition, obviously. they're going to take advantage of it. And I think some of the some of the. approach to this, again, not saying it's. wrong in the sense of let's find that. that waste and fraud. Um. but they're giving them opportunities to. start firing back. Who's scoring big in the NBA this year? You are with all new ways to get in on. the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, an.

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taking over like a failing company. that's filled with bloat and waste." And. he's like, "That is the government." He. goes, "You got to cut more. You just cut. everything. Cut it all out and then find. out what's necessary and rebuild it from. there.". Well, I was just saying on on Excuse me, on CNN. AND CNN THEY'RE LIKE. YEAH. YEAH, I KNOW. THEIR PANTIES ARE IN A. WAD. OH MY GOD. WELL, the five people that. watch CNN still were probably watching. 20. But, the thing about it is they're. all united in their message, whether. it's MSNBC I watched MSNBC the other day.

in the gym. Oh my god, it was awesome. motivation to work out because these. people looked morbidly obese. And they. were giving they they had this language. that they were speaking that was like. almost like they were translating from. another language. Like it was all like. it didn't make sense. It's like, you. know, we're in danger, you know, we're It was. the way they were talking, it's like, "My people feel My people feel like. they're in danger, like they're being. criminalized. We are you know, we're being We're being.

pushed out of society. We're being told. we don't exist." And then you of course. you have to say you're an ally of the. LBGTQ+. an ally. They're digging their heels in on all. that stuff though, which is it's that's. not going to win anymore. That's that's. too crazy. Even like kind progressive. people realize like. you know, you've done a weird thing with. uh with women's sports. You've done a. weird thing with the safety of women in. bathrooms. And it's not to say that some. of these people who are legitimate trans.

people who really do just want to use. the women's room and be treated like a. woman. That's true, too, but you open. the door for perverts, and you're not. admitting that. You open the door You're. just allowing guys with beards and hard. dicks to wander around the women's room. And. And how how tough is it to just have a. have a. whatever a unisex bathroom, right? Most. places A lot of places do, right? So, you can find two or three. as it's not a big bathroom. The problem. is a group If it's all single bathrooms, but that's not economically feasible at. like a stadium. Right. You know, and that's that's where it. becomes a problem. And then it's also.

this like weird cultural line where. people are like, "Which bathroom do you. get to use?" It's like This is like a. thing in Congress, right? Cuz there's. that one trans person in Congress, who. by the way said that they do not want to. use the women's room. So, it's not even. an issue. Yeah. No, I I and I think. Notice how I said they. I. That was You're you're you're you're. you're very sensitive. People always say. that, "How goddamn Rogan is so. sensitive." Uh but I think if if Yeah, if if most most folks, right? It who are.

in alternative, you know, lifestyles, what however you want to put it. I think. yeah, they they just want to get on with. it, right? They want to be accepted. Um. they don't want to make, you know, people make a fuss over it. They just. want to move on. And then you've got a. small minority that just can't seem to. get enough attention. And when they. can't get enough attention, then they do. something you know, even more wacky. Uh. I think. It's a problem with a lot of the people. that are quote-unquote leftists in. general is that they've been bullied and. picked on all their life. And they've. been [ __ ] with, and now they have a.

gang. And now they're going to go [ __ ]. with other people. not much of a gang though, is it really? It's. online. The words The words they use. online, they say it's like very. attacking. You know, it's like this is. like a core aspect of progressives right. now online is that when they're tweeting. about stuff and when they're posting. about stuff, it's very aggressive and. very angry and insulting. Yeah. And that this is this is their way to. demean, whether it's. Pete Hegseth or Kash Patel or any of.

these people that are involved or RFK. Jr. Any of these people that are. involved in even Tulsi. It's like the. way they're doing it. It's like it's not. about policy or agreeing or disagreeing. about perspectives or the way they're. they're choosing to govern. It's not. that. It's like. think they're angry because for a while, right, the mob rule was working, right? And everybody, you know, was was being, you know, silenced from the bullying or.

the fear of being bullied. So. And it lasted for so long. It lasted for years, right? You think. about it. It lasted until Elon bought Twitter, really. Realistically. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. he had not done that and they were all. controlled by the left, do you think. Facebook would have like loosened up. their grip? I don't think so. Well, look, Meta, Alphabet, they're all. they're all kind of rewriting, toning. down their their DEI policies, right? I think that's also because Zuckerberg. started doing jiu-jitsu. I really do. Right, they start taking testosterone.

Rigan Machado. Yeah. Jiu-jitsu will change your your. mind, man. It'll change who you are. You'll realize like there's reality in. this world. He's looking a lot more manly. He does. Looks a lot more manly. He's. got a thick neck now. I think that has a lot to do with it cuz. you start looking at things from a more. libertarian perspective, from a. merit-based perspective. Well, also, you know, you just you're. you're burning fuel, you're feeling. better, you're you're focused on. something other than your own inner. angst or how do you fit in with this. this. again, I look, everybody just should be.

able to live their life. Absolutely. and but that's what we all need. concentrate on. Everybody just live as. long as you're not hurting anybody else. with the way you live your life. Exactly. Live your life. If you want to wear a. dress, God bless you. Yeah. God bless everybody. Just be nice. And I think most of the. people, the reason why they're not nice. is cuz people have been not nice to. them, you know? That's that old. expression, hurt people hurt people. Yeah. And the way to to [ __ ] unite us is. not to keep hurting people. It just. doesn't make any sense to me. No, I think it and it's simple enough. I. I honestly I don't I don't care.

someone's got an alternative lifestyle. Now, I don't need to play along with. their the imaginary idea that a dude's. going to have a baby or can you know. I like to breastfeed or whatever. There's this one Tik Tok person who. trolls. Oh god. And I don't even know if it's a. biological woman cuz that's one thing. that the trans people are very upset. with. There's a lot of like really hot. only fans girls that are pretending to. be trans and they put like a fake dick. in their underwear. No. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like. super hot. And so the actual trans. people are very upset and get ready for.

this. Their argument is my identity is. not a costume for you to wear. Like. wait a minute. Hold on a second. HANG ON. BECAUSE THAT'S a real woman, bro. You're. already doing that with her like and. like she's just got a rubber dick in her. pants for money. There's no There really is no I keep. waiting for Jamie to throw one up on the. screen. I'm like, oh my god. There's no. Yeah, there there's no self-awareness. happening with or sense of irony. So this one lady who's like I think it's.

a lady. I think she's a lady who's a. troll and she said that she went to some. country and got a chromosome change and. a uterus installed and now she's. pregnant and she like. And I'm just reading the comments and. people are [ __ ] going crazy. It's a. bunch of like sub-90 people IQ people in. the comments just [ __ ]. having strokes. That's That is the best part. When some. when somebody throws some [ __ ] out there.

and people buy into it, right? And. they're like, yeah. Well, I buy into some of the dumb ones. sometimes. I have to send them to Jamie. Jamie have to sort out what the [ __ ] is. real now. It's so hard to tell. I see. things from myself that aren't real. I. saw me. doing or I didn't see me. I heard my. voice over some narration of something. of some Tik Tok story. And I was like, I. never saw this. I never This is not me. saying this. It's all done through AI. I'm like, this is crazy.

You're a prime case study for the impact. and effects of and the sort of the the. um. you know, the the downside of AI. Oh, for sure with my voice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I guess now with video as. well, you know, if you wanted to have a. podcast video of me doing something. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's pretty wild now that I. mean, we have a little bit of a problem. where a bunch of people are selling like. cheap things online and using my voice. and we have to get them removed. Okay. Yeah. But that's just, you know, that's just. opportunists are taking advantage, you.

know, you're just I'm selling protein. powders that I've never seen before, all. that kind of [ __ ]. Right. They're doing that with my voice. I mean, there's there's very few we've. talked about it before. There's very few. because the the idea was always sort of. detection, right? Okay, we got to have. create better systems to detect uh deep. fakes, right? Right. Um and but now I. think the focus the focus has rightly. shifted from sort of the detection to. more proactive um protection of. material, right? So so get it at the. moment of creation.

Right. Um embed. uh the ability within the the video. clip, the audio clip, whatever. to show that you've got uh proof of of. uh whatever you want to call it, reality, credibility, authenticity. And. that's the way it's all going because. you you just can't keep up with your If. all you're doing is trying to create. better systems to detect deep fakes, it's a losing game, right? It's like. it's like battling terrorists cuz you. know, you're coming up with a an idea to. prevent a terrorist attack based on the. last terrorist attack and they're onto. something else, right? So, it's it's an.

interesting world. There's not that many. companies out there that are doing a. great job of it, but um there are some. going to get to a point where it's. impossible to tell. And I think that's. not far away. I think we're there, honestly. If. Most people aren't curious, right? Most. people are or they don't have time um or. they're not cynical, right? And so most. people are willing to to look at. something and go, yeah, you know, I. mean, unless it's just clearly [ __ ]. but for the most part, if it's if it's a. half-decent. fake, right?

Mhm. I think most people are will accept it. and move on, right? I like the ones that are. they're obvious. They're really good, but they're obvious. fakes. Like did you see the one with. Kamala Harris after she lost the. presidency? She's wearing a bikini top. walking with a beer that says. unemployed. Yeah, yeah. That's good. I mean, it it. But it's obvious that it's not real, so. it's okay. Like the ones where Trump's. playing the guitar and then there's all. these other people, like Putin's in the. background with the drums. Have you seen. that one? is good. There are there's there's one. where I haven't I don't think I've seen. the one with him playing the drums, but.

I've seen them where there's a whole. series of world leaders and they're. they're. they're in a ballad together. It's fantastic. Yeah, there the the the the one with. Trump playing guitar, it's I think. they're doing it's fortunate son, right? It is, right? I think it's on my it's on. my Instagram, right? Creedence Clearwater Revival. It's so good and it's obviously fake. That's why I like it. It's like it's not. tricking me, but I'm like, wow, that's. really good. It's I mean, it's and it's interesting. You know, I mean, again, talking about. regulatory policy not catching up. I. mean, again, what do you do, right? I mean, like like.

if you were in Europe, right? You could. you you know, you could be fined and. jailed, right? For in in a case for like. pushing something that's disinformation. or whatever. Or just. Or even. just goofing, right? But but it's but. you can't you know, if it's an obvious. it's to your point, if it's an obvious. goof, then okay, you can probably get. away with maybe not if you're in Germany. or somewhere, but um. Germany's going crazy. They are going crazy. And then and they. weren't happy with J.D. Vance's speech. I'll tell you that much. I wonder why. Nobody in the EU was happy.

The head of the Munich Security. Conference literally cried. after the speech when when they were. addressing um. EU leaders following the speech, right? Talking about, you know, the the and. what it might have meant for US EU. relations and everything. Literally. tears being shed over. over J.D. Vance's speech. What was it about his speech in. particular that was so offensive? Well, I think what they were. anticipating at the Munich Security. Conference was he was going to come in. and he was going to talk about obviously. the number one topic on the table for. them was Ukraine, right? And, you know,

where are we going with that? Because. obviously the EU leaders are now very. concerned about US commitment to NATO. Uh what is the Trump administration, you. know, planning on doing in terms of. um further support for Ukraine, um. really further support for NATO. Uh. they're looking to distance themselves. And Vance instead came in and didn't. really focus on any of that [ __ ] He. turned it on on to the European Union. and to EU countries and the UK, the UK. in particular, talking about how.

you know, their biggest threat isn't. necessarily Russia or China. Their. biggest threat is what they're doing to. themselves in terms of suppressing free. speech from all the various groups out. there, including conservative groups, the far left, whatever, um determining that, you know, this this. type of speech is illegal. We're going. to pursue you. We're going to find you. We're going to jail you. Um armed raids against people that are, you know, pushing content online. Um so, he made it. Including the anti-immigrant content. Anti-immigrant content. But to be fair,

right? I mean, most of Europe at this. point is pretty fed up with the the. immigration policies that they their. leaders have. Which is why they want to suppress the. the descent online. Exactly. They're not doing it because they. genuinely think this is a moral and. ethical thing to do. They're doing it. cuz they sense an uprising. Yeah, and and and and they rightly. should. Look, Olaf Scholz, the German. Chancellor, he's not getting reelected. Their election is coming up here in. shortly. And um so, he's not It's not. not going to happen for him. Um so, I think yeah, they're rightly. with not rightly, but they are concerned. about uh their own political power.

That's. That's what it is, and that's what. people need to understand. science. It's not that the Europeans are the. kinder, more progressive No, this like. they understand that it's coming and. they want to do everything they can to. stop it because most people are fed up. Most people just want to be left the. [ __ ] alone. And if you tell them that. they can't put a flag meme on one of. their Facebook pages or they get. arrested, which is what happened in. Germany. Yeah. Yeah, or talk about So if you talk. about the immigration problem and you.

say look we got to stop this, we got to. you know maybe secure borders. If you talk about the Ukraine war and. say I don't think we should be. supporting you know dumping more. resource into Ukraine. All those things or reproductive rights. if you're on the wrong side of that from. a European perspective. You know they're. coming after you and and so that's what. J.D. Vance came after. He turned the. tables on them and focused on that and. that was. A, it was completely unexpected and B, I. think you know the reality of it the. fact that it's truthful, I think upset a. lot of them. He. It's truthful and it also appeals to the.

citizens. That's the thing. The citizens. say this is the way we want our. government to talk. Yeah. And I think it's funny because a. lot of people on. You know there's a lot of people on. social media right now going oh my god. you don't realize how hated you know you. are now as Americans and the US is so. hated and I think like I spent most of. my time overseas, right? And most people. are going yeah this seems like it's. common sense. You guys are finally. coming around, right? And so I I I I. don't think they're going to win the. argument that somehow the US is more.

hated. Look we've been hated in a. variety of locations. hated in Canada right now. Oh yeah. They were booing the national anthem so. hard and they getting three fights in. the first nine minutes. And then we kicked Canada's ass, sorry. Canada, in Canada which is not good cuz. that's their [ __ ] sport. That's. basically their only shot at beating us. at anything. Yeah. Well curling curling. They might be able to win at that. If we. practice it we'd be better at that too. Yeah. Yeah. Like they they make great mixed martial. arts fighters. One of the greatest of.

all time George St. Pierre from Canada. Yeah, yeah. But after that. Let me think. Get your football team, come [ __ ] with America. I'm trying I'm trying to think of other. things that I could throw out there. Nothing. Maybe baseball. They got Blue. Jays really good. Molson. Yeah, they they have strong beer. They. have great people. I love Canada. I love. the people. It's just they they're too. nice and they let communists run their. country. Yeah. And that guy's a communist. Well, I it is it is one of those moments. where you think, okay, I understand. I. get your point, you know, the talk about.

turning Canada into a 51st state. crazy. It's a little crazy. It's a little. crazy. He's serious. He told me on the phone he. was serious. Yeah, well. First I was joking around, but then I. was thinking maybe it's not a bad idea. Now I think he keeps talking to him. refers to him as Governor Trudeau. It's. so funny. You know what I love is is. like I I was just out in the Middle East. for some some things including the the. the amazing trek. with the guys from the SF Club. And. um. it was right during the period of time.

when President Trump announced his idea. during that press conference with. Netanyahu about like we're going to. we're going to own the US is going to. own. Gaza. Did you see the look on Netanyahu's face. when he was saying that? Yes, which was priceless. What in the [ __ ]. I know. did I get into? And now you know what they're all doing? The Israeli cabinet is fully on board. with the idea in part because I think. they understand that okay, look this is. probably not going to happen, but if we. take this position right? It's it's. going to create. chaos. It's going to create some. movement, right? And maybe that leads to.

something of interest. And I think when. being out in the Middle East when that. idea came out and hearing some of the. responses from from people out there was. was amazing, but. what I what I like about it, look you're. not going to move 2.3 million. Palestinians out of Gaza, right? Because. none of the Arab states want them. The. Egyptians have fought against this idea. for years and years and years. That's a good point and some that maybe. a lot of people aren't aware of is that. the wall on the side of Egypt is way. bigger than the wall on the side of.

Israel. Yeah. That that is an impenetrable wall that's. heavily guarded. They do not want. Palestinians coming into Egypt, which is. kind of crazy. Well, it's a from their perspective, look, it's it's a security issue. And. and there's there's a lot of Palestinian. refugees in Jordan, so it's not like. Jordan hasn't tried to do their part. Um. but they also what are they going to do? Absorb another million, 2 million. Palestinians? No. So, the the the. problem from from an operational. perspective is is it's it's unlikely to. to happen, right? And also, do you.

really want the US. buying and owning Gaza, right? And then. being out there. You think that you. think that the cost of of supporting. Ukraine is high. Wait till you see what the cost of not. only the reconstruction, but the. security of the reconstruction, right? What that's going to be. You think that. you think there was a boon in private. security contractors during the Iraq. incursions? This will be you know, this will make. that look like nothing. Right. So, they've got to guard their. investments. So, they exactly. So, the costs. involved, the potential for you know, just never-ending um trouble. But but.

what I do like about it is look, now. that. the Arab states are responding by having. a summit, right? They're having a summit. at the end of this month and they've. already they've been having little mini. discussions amongst themselves, but but. uh all the key players in the area are. now meeting to discuss what's an. alternative, right? What what is the way. to make this happen? And. you know, it's not going to be by the US. owning it and building the Riviera, right? Or series of casinos. But um.

the Arab states are are are having to. react. And they're and so what that. means is nothing's worked beforehand, right? Nothing in in terms of the. two-state, you know, option, um other. security agreements, peace agreements. that have held for some period of time. and then fallen apart. None of that. shit's worked. So, I I. the the the sort of the disruptive. aspect of sometimes of what Trump does, even though you may look at the idea on. the surface and go. it's not going to work. You have these. other effects, right? And so now you've.

got the Arab states having to respond, coming up with these ideas. They're. already over the past couple of days. saying, "Well, Hamas can't play a role.". If you would said that a year ago, uh. Egypt and Qatar and some of these other. Arab states out there would have gotten. on board with the idea that Hamas has. got to go. You know, that wouldn't have. happened, right? I mean, that. it before the 7 October attacks that. they were talking. also talking about rebuilding it. themselves. Mhm. They're like, "Well, we'll do it. We'll. do it. Just back off. We'll do it. We'll. take care of it.". Which is great.

And that's when they have to say Hamas. can't be a part of it. Right. That's because they know what the. problem is. And they they they haven't. been willing to admit it before, but. because. the Trump administration has thrown. stuff at the wall, right, to see what. sticks, they've got to respond. And so. now they're they're they're coming up. with these ideas. Look, Hamas. um. you know, they they are a shell of what. they were, right? But they're still. supported by the Iranian regime, which. is a big problem, right? And and the. Iranian regime, you know, do you think. they they they don't want peace? They.

don't want stability, right? That That's. not in the books. One of the benefits. from their perspective of the 7 October. attacks was that it it it completely. scuttled the. the normalization talks that were going. on between Saudi and and Israel and the. US at the time. So, you know, they're going to they're going. to continue to be a problem, but Hamas, uh you know, is is now. kind of on its back foot. Uh the. Palestinian Authority is is saying, "Well, we'll come in and we'll govern. Gaza." Well, the Israelis are saying, "No, no, that's not going to happen.

either because you guys are. you know, peas in a pod, right? And and. you know, uh. Palestinian Authority has a program. where they actually pay the families of. people who kill Israelis, right? What's it's called a pay-to-slay. program. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what it's called? Pay to slay. How much you get paid? Uh you know what? I'm not sure what the. going rate is now, but um. you know, for out there, it's you know, it's it's it's a it's a payment ongoing. payments to families who have family.

members who have attacked. wounded or killed Israelis. And so, you. know, that plus you know, other ties between. Hamas and and the PA and look, there's. been animosity obviously. Hamas drove. the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza. years ago. But you know, the Israelis. see it as as the same. And so, you know, my point being is the Arab states are. now reacting and you could end up with. something that actually works as opposed. to all the [ __ ] in the past that. never did work and always and continued.

to, you know, provide nothing for the. Palestinian people. And if, you know, if. you say, "Look, all this is about is we. want the Palestinians to live a better. life, then you should want new ideas. thrown at the wall, right? And you. should want something that eventually is. going to work. And from a US. perspective, you should want something. where the Arab states actually take it. on board themselves. There's also there's also a problem with. the reality of the region at this point, right? It's like, what do you want to. happen to that area cuz someone has to. rebuild it. The look, absolutely Israel shouldn't.

have done what they did and and kill who. knows how many innocent people and. literally destroy most of the buildings. there. We all can agree that's a. horrible thing, but it's done. So, now. what? Yeah, and and we can also agree that. it was not Look, yeah, I agree. Um it was a very aggressive action. I. would argue that the US would engage in. that same aggressive action if we had. had. a proportionate, you know, attack. from Mexico or something like. yeah. So, or Canada.

Right. God damn Canadians. Uh they're plotting. something. I just know it. So, if if if. um. you know, I so so that's true, but. again, it was a war that Hamas started, right? They you know, I think you have. to go back to the beginning of this one. And yes, there's fault on both sides, of. course. But, you know, Hamas now at. times has been acting like the aggrieved. party. It's It's [ __ ] around and find out in. the worst way possible. Yeah. That's what it is. I mean, they gave. Israel the green light to just go ham.

And now when you see the overhead drone. footage of what Gaza looks like now, it's hard even believe that it's real. It's Everything's gone. Yeah, which is which is I I get it. I. mean, from a real estate developer's. perspective, I'm sure he's seen overhead. imagery, right? Of Gaza. the Mediterranean of the Middle East. This looks like a demolition site. So, let's let's clear it out. The real. question is, if that doesn't Okay, then. what? Then what? don't want that to happen, then what? If. the United States doesn't take it over. or or who who should? And what do you do.

with it? And how do you get the money to. rebuild it? And where does it come from? And how do you do it? Who who who do you. bring in to rebuild it? Who governs it? How does that work? Who gets what building? How does it. work? Yeah. You know, there's it's a very. complicated thing when you destroy an. entire [ __ ] city. Yeah. Which is the same See if you can find. some of that overhead footage, Jamie. And when you Yeah, and when you're. talking about, you know, moving out 2.3. million people to other areas. Yeah. Um but I Look, I think again, the answer. is that the the Arab states have to take.

this on. Right? They finally have to. address this issue. They've used the. Palace- some of them have used the. Palestinian issue to their own devices. without doing anything to the benefit of. the Palestinians. Look at this footage. This is unbelievable. I mean, this looks like they got hit. with an asteroid. Yeah. It's unbelievable. The scope of it. It's just insane. Yeah. It's insane to see. Yeah. Dave Smith had a very good take on this. He was on one of those Piers Morgan.

Everybody yells at everybody panels, which are really fun for about 5. minutes. But let me uh. send Jamie what Dave said cuz Dave had. in my opinion the best take on this. Where it's like you see you're like, "Okay, yeah. That's that's correct. This is uh. This is the way to look at it, I think. Cuz it's like, "Yeah, it. It's It's Look, it's again, I think you. unless I don't know who would be on. board.

Um. Take the Take it from, you know, the. beyond this sort of the initial sentence. of the US will take ownership. I'm guessing. Oh, here we go. I'm guessing if this is it. I don't know. if I. Is that Dean Cain on the right? No. Yeah. It is? Yes. Superman. I don't know if this is the right This. is I didn't click it from you. I'll. click the one you sent if you just sent. Yeah, click the one I sent. It might It's probably the same one. I love sometimes I love these Piers. Morgan panels. You never know who you're. going to show up in one of those boxes.

And it's a bizarre mix of people. Yeah. Okay. Turn it Yeah, same one. It's just like the commentary for. Wimbledon where we just don't say. anything. Pictures of Gaza? Are you telling me. there was Hamas There were Hamas. missiles in every single one of those. buildings? That that's the entirety of. the story? Is that Israel just had to. blow up this building, which by the way. still I don't think would be morally. justified. But like, come on, man. Look. like it's just again, even to Dean's.

point, I always find this fascinating. because somehow Americans could say this. about the people in Hamas and go like, you know, like you said, "Yeah, I. wouldn't like to be kicked out of my. neighborhood, but if my if my government. had done October 7th, I'd accept it.". Your government, Dean, destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, and the drone bombing campaign in. Pakistan. So like, what are Can you get. kicked out of your house now? Is it not. ethnic cleansing if we were to kick you. out of your neighborhood? This is so. ridiculous that we impose these.

standards on these poor people that we. would never dream of holding ourselves. to that standard. It's just it logically. makes absolutely no sense and it doesn't. really matter what Hamas' approval. rating is in the same way that it. doesn't matter that George W. Bush had. record high approval ratings. That. doesn't mean that the innocent civilians. of the United States of America are fair. game and neither should any other group. of civilians. But. Perfectly said. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean it look, if you. could do surgical strikes and do nothing. but kill Hamas terrorists, great.

Yeah. Um. but you know, that's not the real world. They you. know, Dave's talking about a world that. we don't exist in, right? I would argue. Like and that's this is where we would. differ. I like Dave Smith a lot and I. think he's incredibly intelligent. Um. but you know, we fundamentally look at. things sometimes. in a different world view because of our. experiences, right? And my experience. has been dealing with a lot of hostile. actors who. you know, you may look at and think,

"Okay, well, can't we just I don't say. we'll get along, but they exist and we. exist and do we really. there. that's not the world we work in, right? And and urban combat is really ugly. It's not dismissing, you know, the the. horrific nature of it and the fact that. yeah, sure, in a perfect world it's. morally repugnant and it is, you know, but. it's the world that we live in. So, I. think, "Okay, on one hand I I I get what. he's saying and I and I don't disagree. on that moral side of things, but you. know, from my background I don't tend to.

live in that world. I tend to live in. sort of the operational side of things. and you know, you you sometimes you have. to do things that are not good. But even as extreme as that? Well, yeah. That's the thing. It's like it's so. extreme. Oh, I know. And and I and I don't. disagree and they have uh they they went. above and beyond. There's no doubt about. it. Um. but to my point and I think to kind of. what he was saying, look, we you know, if if we did after 9/11, right? And we. we went above and beyond in a. proportionate standpoint. And we felt.

certainly justified in doing it, right? We did I mean we did. America finally. came together as a group, right? As. opposed to sort of the partisan. way that we live now. But um. But we were justified based on a lie, which is even crazier cuz they used that. justification and went after a group of. people that had nothing to do with it. Based on a lie of weapons of mass. destruction, which is even crazier, right? We went to a completely different. country. Yeah. Well, I think Hamas. also. you know, these these are disjointed. statements and I'm not really tying it.

all together very well at all. But um. But you know, there's also this element. that Hamas doesn't give a [ __ ] about the. Palestinian citizens, right? The. civilians, I mean. And you know, if they. did, they wouldn't conduct their their. operations. Their methodology would be. different, right? They wouldn't They. wouldn't bury themselves and their. operations and their command centers and. everything that they do, right? Their. their depots or their missile weapons. supply. centers within the public. environment, right? They.

They just wouldn't, right? Well, they probably never expected this. Um yeah, I don't know. I don't. There's no way they would have done. October 7th if they expected this. response. Well, there's no way that the Iranian. regime, I think, would have allowed them. to do this if they if they anticipated. they would get this sort of response. So, I think you're right. Um but I you. know, and again, I'm you know, this is. the this is the problem. People The. people only hear what they want to hear, right? So, they hear They hear me say. from an operational perspective, I kind. of I understand that they had an. aggressive response. And yet but then.

they stop listening, right? And so, what. I'm saying is it was it over the top? Well, yes, it was over the top. And. could they have been more surgical about. this? Well, yes, they certainly could. have. Um could they have prevented uh some. loss of civilian life? Well, yes. What. would have that been a difficult? Well, yes. Why? Because Hamas puts themselves. in the center of civilian life there. They know this is what's going to. happen. This is their currency. Dead. Palestinians. Yeah, that drives their narrative and. they always know it's going to turn. against the Israelis as we're having. these discussions. That's what happens. and they've got enough of a track record.

to know that's what's going to happen. So, they use it to their advantage, but. you know, again, it doesn't excuse the. killing. I keep coming back to that same. thing. You can have, you know, disparate. multiple, you know, thoughts in your. head at the same time, right? You can. feel bad about that and at the same time. you can go, "Yeah, it was [ __ ] up what. they did on 7th October. You're going to. go after Hamas." And then what you're. going to find is urban combat is really, really [ __ ] ugly, right? And you're. going to have casualties that you. really, really regret having. Um were. there more than than needed? I would say.

yes. They didn't need the extent of. their response, but I understand their. mindset for for why they went so hard. after Hamas. This is decades and. decades, you know, built up saying no. more, right? We can't put up with this. anymore. Now, again, the problem is. you know, the problem is not that the. it is not really Hamas. I keep coming. back to the same thing. The problem is. the the instigator of all this trouble, the instigator of the vast majority of. of of of chaos and instability and. violence and death in that region is the.

Iranian regime. Most Arab states will. agree to that. Maybe not the Yemenis, right? Um. you know, but. most of those Arab states are not going. to be sad to see the Iranian regime fall. for this very reason. Everybody wants a. better life, right? However they. perceive it. The Iranian regime, you know, the mullahs and the IRGC, you know, they've got a stated objective. and they are pursuing that. As long as. those people are in charge, right? You know, ultimately we're not going to.

get a big sea change here. We're not. going to get a huge shift in in the way. things go, but if you want a better. life, then you got to look to the to the. whatever you want to call it, the head. of the snake or the, you know, the. top of the mountain, there they are. The. Iranian regime driving a lot of this. chaos. So, anyway, I'm getting away from. the point, but I don't disagree with. Dave. I. I was like a lot of the things that he. says. I just think that we come at it. sometimes from a much different. perspective. I don't tend to believe. that the world is full of. of. good actors who are just trying to.

create a community of nations. either. I don't I well, yeah, um. yeah, I'm not putting it I'm not putting. it well, but I think what I mean is that. there's. it's not. I was having a conversation the other. day. Um. it was about um. it was about US involvement in. a variety of. groups, activities, associations over. the years looking to topple governments, looking to change, you know, um. uh. uh the direction of a of a government.

Like, you know, all the nefarious things. that the CIA has been accused of over. the years. And. and I was like, well. god damn, what what did you expect? Of. course that's what we're doing, right? Of course we're Of course we're trying. to influence hearts and minds. Of course. we're infiltrating organizations to try. to influence the direction of a. government that, you know, you go all. the way back to the Cold War, right? We. were convinced the Russians or the. Soviets were going to blow us to hell, right? Of course we're going to be doing a. variety of things. You want a government.

over there that's more friendly to you? Okay, how are we going to go about doing. that, right? If that means VOA or Voice. of America or that means infiltrating. some organization that's going to try to. win them, yeah. So, you know, is that morally repugnant? I. don't know, you know. think it's necessary. I think there's Is it I think it's. understandable. Uh and I think also. um. So, what Imagine a world without that. Yeah. So, if that is a vacuum. and we stop doing that entirely. altogether, does that vacuum get filled.

up by another power? Yeah. Yeah, that's I think that's yeah. is the problem, right? That's the problem is that we don't live. in a world of benign nations who like if. we're not the police, you know, at the. top of the the food chain, nobody needs. to be there. Someone's going to fill. that that gap and they're and you know. what? Um. maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong. I'm but I've. been around a long time and I've spent. most of it overseas and unusual places. Um we make a lot of mistakes as a. country. It's a human endeavor. But we do try to correct and it can take.

time, right? It can take a lot of time. We make a lot of mistakes, of course we. do. But uh I've seen a lot of. players out there and I'd rather have us. and our allies. trying to direct traffic rather than. some of the hostile actors that are out. there cuz I don't. a the best-case scenario perspective. Worst-case scenario's perspective is. that these policy changes that we are uh. initiating and that we are uh. influencing. is for corporations to make more money.

It's to control resources and to control. areas and to make things friendlier for. business. That's the worst-case scenario is this. is done in a mercenary fashion. Yeah. But is that. But that's what I mean, that's what. But is that just what happens? That's what And what I And here's my. question, is that just what happens? Like when you do have the ability to. control other regimes, isn't it. almost. it doesn't it almost logical that you.

would you're going to need a lot of. money and you're going to need a lot of. influence to do that and so there's. going to be a bunch of people who say, "Actually, we could use some of those. minerals. Actually, you know, that. natural gas is very valuable. Actually, if we could destabilize Russia's energy. systems and, you know, pump up Ukraine's. and control it, that'd be pretty good." And so then. we start initiating things and we start. the coup in Ukraine in 2014 and a bunch. of different things. We started helping. things along that would.

benefit us both geopolitically, but also geopolitically in a sense that. like you're controlling the geology of. the land, which is the real term. geopolitical, right? That's the real. term, right? Doesn't it have to do with. like controlling regions? Well, sure. Yeah, and I think that it's. Um yeah, you're talking about national. self-interest. Right. I think in in the world that we actually. live in. every country is acting in its own. self-interest. So. it's also national self-interest that's.

kind of prostituted by corporations. This is what what people are worried. about. Is that we engage in certain. activity that's avoidable simply for. profit. Uh. yes, absolutely. I don't think there's. any doubt about that. I think Look, um. It's just what happens when you have a. system like this, right? When you can. influence foreign governments and you do. have enormous amounts of resources. and you do have the ability to change. things and install a government that's.

more friendly to. But if you're But if you're not going to. do that, let me let me go back to that. I'll go to the Cold War because that's. probably our best example of of what. happens when you go cuz you actually had. it wasn't just a unipolar world, right? You had you had the Soviets and you had. the US. Um. Yes, there. there was there was concern over um. you know, life itself. There was this. there was this you know, concern over. mutual destruction. Um but there was concern over influence.

So, the Soviets were busy in a variety. of places. Let's pick Africa. Right? So, in the mid to late '50s, right? As. um Africa was moving, you know, clearly, strongly away from colonialism, right? And independent states started. you know, sprouting up. Um. then. there was this concern over Well, okay, the old colonial era is gone, right? The. Belgians aren't going to own the Congo. as an example. The Congo is rich in.

resources, right? Um. uranium, cobalt, you know, diamonds. obviously, but let's let's take uranium. Um. the Belgians were running Congo. when we were developing the bomb. And almost all that uranium came from. the Congo, right? So, that's a good example of the US looking. and saying, "Okay, is the the are the Belgians, you know, good um.

stewards. of of the Congo?" Well, no, right? They. were enslaving people and having them. work in the uranium mines. And we were. taking that uranium and using it to. build the bomb, the Manhattan Project. Um. now all those years later, I mean, the. Congo, you know, realized its. independence, you know, Patrice Lumumba. and all all the rest of that history, but. um now the Congo is is wrapped up in. conflict still. Why is it still in. conflict? Because of its minerals. Cobalt now is the key, right? I mean,

uranium you can get from a variety of. places, Australia and elsewhere, Kazakhstan and variety of other. locations, but. uh cobalt they've got maybe. 60%, don't quote me on that, but I think. it's about that, of the world's cobalt. supplies. What do you need cobalt for? Well, electric vehicles, batteries. Yeah. So, now the eastern Congo is still in. conflict. That place is a mess. If it's not the poorest, it's like the. second or third poorest country in the. world. And isn't most of those mines that they.

control by China? Um well, a lot of them are controlled on. the eastern side by militias, right? Uh. Congo's been a difficult place for. everybody to try to. wrap up licensing agreements, right? But. um. you know, you've got. 100-plus militias out there vying for. control because it's money, right? And. and so, I guess my point is is um it I. mean, and I'm, you know, it's good you. brought up China because, yes, they've. been busy trying to lock up a variety of. locations in terms of critical minerals. and they've got a monopoly on refining.

those minerals essentially at this point. in time but. I just think it's it's. I get I I yeah I'm maybe what I'm. surprised by because I'm I'm so [ __ ]. cynical is. you know the idea when when you say. you know it's it's corporate interests. it's government interests it's. self-interest of a nation you know to. pursue and do these things. I'll be honest with you I look at it and. go well yeah of course it is.

I don't know any other world right I. don't know that we we we we we're not. going to walk that dog back over you. know couple thousand years you know. people have been doing the same [ __ ]. thing all human existence I would argue. right so I just got to look at it and I. and I and I you know maybe cuz I'm not. wired that way I don't sit around and go. that's [ __ ] wrong we have to rail. against this. Yeah I'm a very simple person so I look. at it and go yeah that's how it works. and goddamn right I'd rather be on the. top of the heap than you know not and.

you know as long as we're. So this is like a pragmatic perspective. I guess and it's you. experience overseas. and your understanding of how these. things are done is that if we don't do. something if we don't act in some way to. influence these governments and control. these regions and do whatever we can. to make sure that our interests are. being. that we that we are the ones that are. kind of directing the way things go.

Right I would rather be directing how. things are going than not. And. And those are the two options. Those I think those are the two options. cuz we're not going to live as a. community of nations what are we going. to do I mean you know hold hands and and. say okay everybody's going to live as a. collective right? Which you know. So I I I you know I I know that that. you know and there's all I'm sure. there's all sorts of flaws in in the way. that I'm thinking, but. I'm very simple person. When I was in. operations, you tell me what to do, I'll. do it, all right? I never sat around and.

got angsty about anything because I just. didn't see any point in it. And so. Again, pragmatic. Yeah, yeah, or just being a douchebag. Well, there's a lot of people listening. they'll probably come to that. conclusion. Yes, I think you're right. this this is the reality of that job, right? And this is the reality of. international relations. Yeah, I I just you know, and and I look. I'll tell I tell you something. Look, there are people over the years, I think. you know, that the CIA leadership at.

times over over the years, I'm talking. you know, you know, all the way back to World War. and you know, beyond certainly during. the Cold War. Allen Dulles is a good example of that. where, you know, they legitimately would. sit around and say, well, I you know, as. far as I know, we're not in the business. of overthrowing countries. You know, and you think like, well, that's [ __ ] Of course. of course that's what you know, we're. we're trying to do. We're trying to. influence countries because we want them. on our side. We want to create friendly. governments that yes, will be beneficial. to our national security, our economic.

interests, all those things. So, I've. always been puzzled also by by people. who try to minimize that in a sense, right? I mean, you know, if you're doing. something then god damn it, maybe you. own up to it. It's like um. John Brennan who was a director at the. agency, right? He's he's a really. relatively well-known former CIA. official for. handful of reasons. He was very tight in. the Obama administration. But he said one time, I forget what year it was, but anyway, he talked about the business of the CIA. and says we don't steal secrets.

God damn it, of course we steal secrets. That's the point of the exercise, right? You think the the FSB or the Chinese. intel apparatus isn't stealing secrets? What the [ __ ]. And why was he saying that? Oh, he's trying I you know, it's a. kinder nation, right? He's trying to. like sugarcoat and the you know, that. It That was a a laughable statement, right? would you say something that's. objectively true? I have no idea. Well, I mean, because. again, if you you know. false, I should say. Maybe it's the world you want to live. in, you know, instead of the one that we.

actually do have. Right, but when you're doing it. publicly, that's not what you're doing. It's a PR exercise, right? It's a PR exercise, yeah. pretending that we're different than. what we are. Yeah, or you're trying to Or you're. trying to convince yourself. Who knows? I I don't I don't understand. the thinking. I just know what he said, but I think it it's it's an interesting. comment from, you know, the director of. an intelligence organization, you know, that. is in the business of dealing secrets. So, I'm sure you you've seen Mike Benz's. take on USAID and what USAID was really. all about, and his perspective is that.

it's for everything that's too dirty for. the CIA. He sends USAID. Do you think there can be a rational. argument, though, that a lot of these. things that seem ridiculous, like. sending all this money to influence the. votes in Pakistan or in India, and that. we look at it like, "Why are we spending. $21 million on education here and $2. million there?" And that these things. are actually beneficial to the United. States as a whole, because even though. we're spending exorbitant amounts of.

money, the results we're getting is we. are. maintaining peace by being in control of. certain areas where someone else would. come over, and then you'd get a regime. that's not friendly to our interests. Yeah, yeah, well I mean, USAID. traditionally, like they were set up. what, during the Kennedy administration. as a. you know, as an independent. organization, right? Because at the. time, I think that the thinking was, and. they're not the only one that set up as. an independent agency, but, you know, at. the time the thinking was, "We don't.

want it to be seen as like the the US. administration is picking and choosing. and driving sort of where the money's. going.". Which again. is you know, is is kind of a strange way. of doing things, right? It's coming from. the [ __ ] US government, right? So, people aren't going to parse words or. discern somehow that okay, well, it's an. independent agency. So, I guess it's not. really what the administration wants. It's what the USAID wants. So, you know, is it you know, were were dollars going. into programs that the the the idea was.

can we. can we turn this country around? Can we. change? You know, is it is it Who is Who. is in charge? Is it Lumumba? Is it. Sukarno? Is it you know, God, pick any. number of of folks during that period of. time and and create a government that's. more friendly to our interests? Again, I look at that and go, well, yeah, is USAID also projecting. whatever they call it soft power, diplomatic power? Well, sure. And that's. another way of phrasing it, I suppose.

Were they also doing things like feeding. the poor, providing, you know, medicines. out there, doing doing actually, you. know, legitimate things that I think. sometimes people. in a righteous world are like, well, that's exactly what they should be. doing. Well, yeah, they should be doing. that. We should be, you know, the USAID. has got a lot of important programs that. they run, right? That actually help. people around the world who don't have. many options. I think what the perspective of this. administration has stated is that. they're going to review all these.

programs and keep the useful ones. And I. think they're going to run it through. the State Department, right? Is that the. They're going to run it Yeah, they're. going to slim it down. They've already. started. It'll be run through the State. Department. Great idea. Right, take off. that Don't don't pretend, right? I mean, this this it's a US government agency. What do you that people are going to. assume Some people will assume the worst. no matter what, right? But, yeah, fine. Again, under the same theory that you. what you do is you go in and you say, we're going to go through every program. We're going to keep the ones that are. important.

And I would argue that's that's food. aid, health aid, you know, whatever it. may be. Um, And and, you know, shitcan all those. others that aren't you know, being. really helpful. You mean like the $251 million on. transgender animal studies? Yeah, is that helpful or not? I can't. you know, there's. Well, they have to figure out how to do. those operations. Yeah, no, I think I I I think that yeah, so there's there is there a waste in. there? Of course there's waste but and. are there programs in there that were. designed to. with the bathwater? Is that what it is?

Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's that's the. point is I think going in there and. calling it all waste and fraud and and a. criminal organization. I think is not. the right messaging. I think that the. the American public would be fully on. board if you simply said we're again, we're going through we're going to find. the waste. We're going to you know, we're going to focus on those those. programs that help people around the. world legitimately. Um and. the problem is the people that are. opposed to this administration are never. going to see the good in anything that. comes out even if it does uncover.

undeniable fraud. I think we're just so. dug in now, especially the the fog of. war post election which seems real in. this country. This this fog of hate on. both sides gloating on the right and and. bitterness and anger and you know, hyperbole as to like the extent of. what's happening on the left. It's all. you know, a constitutional crisis and a. Yeah, destruction of democracy and a. real dictator that's in place and all.

the things that they feared coming into. this election now come to light in their. eyes. Yeah, no, I again I yeah, that's and. that is the messaging that's gone out. You can see them coalesce around it. You. know, I think the first weeks after the. election there was confusion and and and. you know, a. sort of a they were going through that. grief cycle on the on the left. Uh but. now I think you're seeing that they are. you know, coming together around that. messaging. I think that now they're. starting to get more focused. They. probably understand they'll probably. take the house in in two years.

Um so they're getting their their [ __ ]. together again. But, um, I I think that, you know, and on the right side I think, you know, you'd like to think that, you. know, the gloating it is uh is a bit. unnecessary, right? You won, focus on on. getting [ __ ] done. only is it unnecessary, it's. counterproductive. It's counterproductive, yeah. And it it just fuels the other side. It's stupid. It's like this should be a. uniting time for our country. I well, you again, you and you would. think that um, creating a more efficient. government would be a uniting concept,

right? And I think it could be, but I I keep going back to that same. thing. I've I've never been particularly. impressed with the messaging and I get. it. When I say that, people always, you. know, on the on the right come after me. and go, "Oh god, well, that's what makes. MAGA MAGA, you know, that's what makes, you know, Trump Trump is, you know, just. and and and I I don't disagree with sort. of again, the benefit sometimes of being. disruptive, but I do think that, you. know, you you can't just look at USAID. and say it's all it's a big old criminal. organization, right? You you should be a.

little bit more I mean, Kevin O'Leary, you mentioned him earlier. You know, for all that talk, I guarantee you if he. was, you know, if he had a large. company, he wouldn't just shitcan. everything right off the bat. I know he, you know, maybe that's his implication, but. I think he's talking about failing. companies. Failing companies. He would. When you take over a failing company. that's filled with bloat and waste, you. cut more out than even you think is. necessary, and then you figure out what. you need. But he would go through there would be a. thoughtful initial review phase in a. corporate environment. I think I would.

argue that that even he would do that. He's not just going to pull the pin and. and throw it in the room and say, "Okay, now let's see what we actually need.". Well, isn't what this administration's. done is putting a pause on everything? And that now and then they're. doing an audit of things and then a. review. But that's not the way it comes across. because in part because the media's not. like you said, they're not going to give. them a break, right? So, even if they. said that that's what we're doing and. here's what how we're doing it, here are. the people on the transition team. I. mean, you know, who are the people on on. Elon's doge team, right? I mean, can you.

name half a dozen of them? Big balls. Big balls, well, okay. All right, fair enough. There's. big balls. There's the kid who deciphered those. scrolls from Pompeii using AI. Yeah. Genius. I mean, they're very it's very. interesting cuz the approach is. essentially he's mimicking the approach. that Elon used at Twitter. Mhm. Just you're you're saying, "Okay, I'm. going to cut out 90% of this and see how. it works.". Yeah. I just think that um. and and again, you know, you got to go after the waste,

the fraud. Is there bloated? Of course. there's bloated in the government. Go. after them. perspective is that of course there's. waste, of course there's fraud, but if. you don't understand international. relations, if you don't understand. the this. long tradition of supporting regimes. that have our interests in mind, if we. don't do that, someone else will. They'll gain control of these areas. This is just the reality of the world. that we live in, and we should be. influencing other countries.

said a lot better than I could say it. Um. but yeah, that is that that that's what. I'm saying on on the international. front. On the domestic front, I'm just. saying. um you know, um. you you know, go through all these. organizations, right? But. you know, don't don't give the other side the. ammunition to say, "You guys are you're. you're firing useful people." Right? I. hear this all the time now in the past. few weeks as I It's like, "Oh my god, they they let this entire group of. people who going working on women's. health issues." And you know, and.

they're just they're they're giving them. um ammunition that that they don't need. to by virtue of the way that they're. they're going about it. And again, go. about it, do it. That all So, all I'm. saying is it's it's it's the means of. which they're doing it. You can. accomplish the same task, and you could. accomplish it quickly, right? It's not. like your review process, you. you how could you review USAID while. this is all going on while they're still. able to spend money? Cuz they're still. able to if there is corruption, if.

they're still able to dump a bunch of. money into a bunch of different projects. and funnel stuff around and move stuff. into this these areas where it can't be. traced, which is apparently where at. least some of it goes. Yeah. I would want Look, if you're doing a if. you're doing a corporate fraud. investigation, you don't walk in and. say, "There's fraud everywhere here.". Right? Where everybody's going. No, you. don't. You you you go in and you do your. investigation because. you don't know what the the iceberg. looks like. You don't know what's. underneath the surface. So, you want to. be able to go through it in a methodical.

way. And, you know, if you would walk. into the World Bank and say, "We think. there's fraud here in this in this. department over here." Right? And the. World Bank isn't just as an aside, they. have to If they think there's fraud. somewhere, they have to notify the. people that they suspect of fraud that. they're going to initiate a fraud. investigation before they do it. Right? How [ __ ] up is that? Pretty pretty crazy. Pretty crazy. So, so anyway, that's. a little time. It gives them a little time. So, you. know, I don't know. Um. You know, again, I I I respect the fact. that they're they're actually making the.

effort. I think that's great. I just I'm. not sure that it's. um. you know, there's an immovable uh object. in Washington, D.C. Made up of. lobbyists, defense contractors, um. self-interested politicians, right? They're all like like this, right? And. And DoJ is obviously, you know, bumping. up against them, particularly when when. they start now talking about Pentagon. spending. Um so, I guess my point is. it it's it's complex. I don't know that.

that blowing it up and then say we're. going to rebuild it. It's like when Cash. Patel or anyone else, you know, for an. organization, they talk about the FBI. Let's get raze it to the ground and. start over. Uh what? You got thousands and thousands of. hard-working street agents out there. doing very important work, right? You. can't You can't just say, "Okay, you. know, we're we're suspending. 30% of them, right?" You You got to go. through and say, "Okay, well, where is. the problem here?". And there is there enough time to do. that? I think Well, This is the question. It's like how.

Is this a more time-effective way of. confronting the the reality of what. they're trying to accomplish, which is. government efficiency, right? Department. of government efficiency, we don't. believe that the government is. efficient. We do see that there's at. least some waste and some fraud, but. it's not being chased down. They're. going to chase it down. Mhm. Yeah, well, I think I would argue. that, you know, they're going to find. this is a years-long process anyway, no. matter how much of a of a of a, you. know, jump they get at the at the. starting block, you know, but I think.

that. Well, Mike Pence thinks it's going to. take 50, 60 years. Yeah, I think he's I think he's right, right? I mean, I don't Well, okay, I don't. think it's going to take that long. I. think if you're persistent about it. And. I And I think your your timeline is is. that you mentioned the the midterms, that would be my focus, right? I want to. get it well done before the the midterm. elections, right? Because I'm be. concerned about losing the house. So, you've got that runway to work with, then then go, but don't feel like you. got to get it done in the first 4 weeks. Uh so,

a lot of messaging that you hear online. that, you know, you got to kind of. decipher. And one of them is the price. of eggs. For whatever reason, the price. of eggs is a big one that gets bandied. about. Uh people need to understand what. the price of eggs is all about. Well, well, one of the things is they killed a. lot of chickens during the Biden. administration because of the this bird. flu thing. Right. So, they they killed millions of. chickens um. cuz the the fear is that these chickens. are going to It's going to hop over to. people, and right now I think it's only.

in geese and ducks. Is that correct? Did. it move to Did it move to cattle? And. cows? I think it has in some cases moved to. cattle. Yeah. Um. But the the question is like what what. what happens? Is that treatable with. antibiotics? Is this overblown? Like. what is the actual reality of this. pandemic. so to speak? But this is why. egg prices are so high. But then. unfortunately, it becomes a political. talking point. And so it's hard to get. to the bottom of it because you're just. trying to use it to cast blame.

So they're trying to blame this. administration on the price of eggs. They're [ __ ] up. Regular people are. are going to starve. And you know. Yeah. Yeah, look, he's been in office. for 23 days. Egg prices haven't come. down. You guys were lied to. And they're. like. Well, guess what? It takes a long time. for a chicken to be able to grow from a. chick to an egg-laying It takes months. Yeah. Yeah. And so you're not going to get any. discount on eggs anytime soon if they. killed millions of chickens, which they. definitely did. Oh, no. It's it's you know, remember the. old.

mad cow disease? Mhm. Years and years ago. Sure. And England had a big problem with. that. Yeah. Yeah, beef prices. a buddy of mine who went to England and. was living over there. during the mad cow crisis. And to this. day he can't give blood. Wow. it's a prion disease. Okay. The idea is that if he does have it What. is it called? Yakov's Cruetzfeldt. disease? I always [ __ ] that up. Um but. what that disease that prion disease is. is from cattle eating cattle brain. tissue. Which is so crazy.

brains. Yeah. Yeah, somebody at some point thought, you know, what we could do with all. these sheep parts is we could feed them. to the cows. Jesus Christ. Grind them all up and then. the cows eat them and get the prion. disease and then they're [ __ ]. Yeah. The same thing which by the way happens. to cannibals. It's uh the same thing with Papua New. Guinea. And the cannibals get that same. sort of. problem where their their neurological. their body breaks down. Good god. Yeah, good god. Yeah. Did you ever hear the story about.

Rockefeller's kid? One of the Was it. nephew? Was it nephew that got killed. and eaten by the. Yeah, he went over there. Uh he did to. live amongst them, I think. Well, he went twice and apparently the. first time he went he insulted them by. trying to acquire one of their sacred. things. And the second time he went. back, they decided to eat him. And they didn't find out about it for a. long time. I think he went missing in. the '60s. Yeah. We we covered it, Jamie. Do you remember. what year it was?

I think he went missing in the '60s. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And there was there. was debate over whether he was actually. killed and eaten by the cannibals or. not. Yeah, now they're pretty sure he was. Yeah. And at least that's what they're saying. back a second time? You piss him off. once and you get and you get away. off. I think he felt like, you know, they just couldn't come to an agreement. on whether or not he could take home. whatever. sacred object he was trying to get from. them. I forget what it was, but it was. something that they would never sell or. trade and he was insisting on it and. they're like, oh, [ __ ] this guy. And. then I think they had some time to stew.

on it while he was gone. And then when. he came back like, this dumb mother. fucker's back. Can you imagine how surprised they were. when he showed up again? Oh, boy. We're going to eat him. Yeah, they're probably thinking if he. comes back I'm going to [ __ ] eat him. I get I get the haunch. Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, this is, you know, rich. liberals. Yeah. That's that's what he was. He was a rich. liberal who just wanted to fix the world. and travel around and went to a world. that he didn't understand. Like. literally didn't understand. Didn't. understand what they were saying.

Didn't understand the culture. It was it. was fairly. you know, Yeah, I'm here to help you, you know, in. my own way. I'm going to bring. enlightenment to you. Yeah, and also what a great story when. you get back to the university. Like. guess what I did. I went to Papua New. Guinea. So interesting. You you got to wonder about his family. He said, "Yeah, sure, you should go back. to Papua New Guinea.". Can you pull up the story we can see. this cat? on Wikipedia. of this cat like with the. Yeah, I remember this. I remember kind. of his his. Yeah.

There we go. So it's '62. Yeah, hold on. Go back up. It says the first public report that. Rockefeller was killed and dismembered. Scroll up. And his long-burned bones. turned into weapons and fishing. equipment. Yo. Was published by the. Associated Press in March of 1962. A. second investigating. investigation later that year by a. patrolman named Wim Vander Wall on. behalf of Dutch colonial government came. to the same conclusion. Vander Wall was. given a skull bearing no lower jaw and a.

hole in the right temple, the hallmarks. of the remains that had been head-hunted. and opened to consume the brains, which. he turned over to Dutch authorities who. never asked him to write a written. report and never asked him to verbally. report his conclusion. The information. was apparently deemed politically. sensitive in part because of the fragile. state of the Dutch Empire in the. Indonesian archipelago and in part. because of Nelson Rockefeller's. political celebrity in the United. States. The findings of Vander Wall's. investigation are restated in the.

written memoir of Anton Vander Wall, a. success successor missionary to Van. Kessel. Hmm. The famous Van Kessel. Is he famous? I No, I just added that um because I. thought he deserved it. See See if you can find photos of that. dude. That's crazy. Cuz there's photos of him uh hanging out. with the people that ate him. I love that. Go out and investigate. Ooh, this isn't the conclusion we. wanted. Don't don't bother giving us a. report.

And keep that to yourself. There he is. Yeah, I remember this guy. with the glasses. Yeah. There he is chilling with Go Go to that. one right there. The No, the third one. The third one. The third Yeah, that one. Look at that. He's like, "I'm going to. eat you.". Those classic '60s glasses, right? And look at the smile on his face while. he's looking at that dude. Look at them all. Look at the guy behind. the the the front guy. He's He's looking. and he's going, "Yeah.". And eventually they ate him. Crazy. He. looks such a nerd. Yeah, what a [ __ ]. Well, back in the day he thought he was.

being Look at him. Soy boy, even back. then. Yeah, yeah. Oh, look look look at that. I'm having such a wonderful time with. all of you people. Yeah. Yeah, they're going to eat you, bro. That is That is the we're about to cook. you dance right there. Yeah, you're [ __ ] around in a place. you don't understand and you don't. understand that they have a long history. of that. about his family. What wouldn't his. family have said, "Look, I got to tell you don't Oh, god.". What is that? I don't know. I'm just looking around. Is that supposed to be him? I don't know. Oh, god. Click on that. Could be anything.

Yeah. What is that image of? Does it say? Michael That is him? No, no, no, no, no. It says Michael Rockefeller. That's probably a picture that he took. Oh. Yeah, it could be that. Even more [ __ ] up. Like he already. knew they were doing that? Jesus, bro. It's. would be me. Someone brings out that. Like, "Hey, check this out. We did that to this. guy.". Yeah. Like look at that [ __ ] Scroll Look at. that [ __ ] skeleton. That is so. creepy. to tell you they look well-fed. I would.

I would worry about that, too. Yeah, that one guy on the right. He's. got a big old belly. Yeah. Just been eating people. Yeah. Well, a lot of them they get bloated. because of parasites, too. true. Yeah, tapeworms. 30-ft tapeworm. Oh, god. Um. Well, there you go. So, Yeah, click on that one where the guys. are holding the arrow, right below that. Right below your cursor. Yeah. Look how [ __ ] terrifying is that? Jesus. Imagine that guy. You show up on. the beach and that guy's there. You're. like, "Oh, fuck.". You think they do like a like a movie.

they give you a 10-second head start. into the jungle and then and then track. you down? I mean, I Honestly, if I. was in the tribe I would do that, right? Why wouldn't you? I mean, it's. it's entertaining. Yeah, what was There was a famous story. of a guy where they they killed his. friend, chopped him up, threw his guts. on him, and then they gave him like I. think a 30-second head start, and he. escaped. He did? He hid in a beaver den. Nice. That's smart. I think this is in Montana. A couple years ago when was this? When. was this? 1800s. Oh, okay. I think I believe it was the Nez Perce.

and I think they the he hid in the. beaver den and made his way naked all. the way back to the fort. God. I think it was like a couple hundred. miles, too. Yeah, people were tougher back then, I. would argue. They had to be. They had to be. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, what? Yeah, is this story on what happened to. Michael reportedly told his companions, "I think I can make it." and jumped into. the water. That was the last time they. saw him. Oh, this is when he he swam to. the shore. 1961 Michael Rockefeller was traveling. to this dangerous area of dense.

rainforest, mangrove swamps, and. crocodile-infested mud flats known as. the land of the lapping death when his. small catamaran capsized in rough seas. This is the Oh, so Michael Rockefeller, a strong swimmer, immediately jumped in. the sea and began to swim to shore. But. this is the second time, right? This is. when they killed him. Well, that's it says they don't know. No. one saw him after he jumped in the. water. Mhm. So, they don't know what happened. Right. Now, here's here's an interesting. thought. If you're If you're offshore. from whatever, the lapping island of. death, right? And your catamaran's, you.

know, you capsize. And so, it's still there, right? It's. still floating. And you've got your. shipmates and they're there. And your. decision, you know, the way that you. process this is to swim to the lapping. island of death. That doesn't show a lot of thought. there. Well, he thought he could make it and. he's already visited them before. There. was another article that I'd read Jamie. that actually recounted the moment he. was killed that they picked him up in a. canoe and speared him in the canoe. Yeah, I was That's what I was reading. through the Wikipedia. There's been. multiple.

times but starting with 7 years later. Mhm. to try to investigate what happened and. I don't know how you would really go. about doing that. Yeah, the the most recent article was. like there was some recent revelation, some some information that was given to. them by the tribespeople about what. happened. The first time. a guy down there private investigator. You know what happened with three skulls. and they said one of them was the skull. So I don't know how they would. prove that. Well, why do they have skulls lying. around? You know what's going to solve this. problem is going to be the the newly.

formed US government agency. agency for the declassification of. documents. That's going to solve this. problem. Federal secrets. Federal Federal secrets. Yeah, Federal. secrets. Is that the JFK UFO one? Yeah, Epstein files. With that hot lady running it? Anna Anna Anna Paulina Cruz. Why is she running it? Cuz she's hot. I don't know. Maybe they should just release the. documents. Like if you're going to. release the documents, release the. documents to the people on the internet. They'll figure it out. They don't need.

you. I know. No, they've got this new this. new committee. and they're going to sort of COVID is. also on the on the table. UFOs now Michael Rockefeller. I would. argue. I'm hoping that's where the 4.7 trillion. went. Yeah, that wouldn't that be good though. Actually the best part of it is yeah. all these government crashed retrieval. programs and re-engineering and back. engineering. Developing our own developing our own. technology that you know we've kept. secret. But a lot of it is. Yeah, yeah. I think it's.

absolutely be wrong, but I think that's. what a lot of it is. I think we have. some super sophisticated propulsion. systems that are way ahead of our time. And then also I think we're being. visited. I think there's a bunch of. different things happening. simultaneously. Well, I think the 4.7 trillion Okay, when you think about that it says well, it sounds like a lot, but in terms of. terms terms of government spending right. now we can blow through that pretty. quick. So I'm thinking you know, yes I I. do I I. What's over how long though? How long is. the 4.7? When they say 4.7 trillion, they don't give you a timeline. It's.

like that was a thing about politico, right? Like there was this talk about. that we gave politico $8 million. Well, sort of what the real story was there's. a. subscription model for Politico where. you get news like instantaneously. and it costs like 10,000 bucks and there. was a bunch of those subscriptions that. were in many different agencies. Right. Right. And and so. is over the course of 8 years. Like that. $8 million was from like 2016 to today.

Right. So I mean so say that, right? You. know, roll that out rather than saying, you know, they've been funding, you. know, Politico because. in a short burst it sounds much worse, right? It's still you still can argue is. this really necessary? Do you need to be. doing this? Well, I don't know. You you. want to. information instantaneously, which would. be very beneficial to someone in. government, yeah. Yeah, you're paying for a database for. for information that that's going to. hopefully inform better decision-making. hopefully. is when the way you say it. If you say. we gave Politico $8 million. Oh, those [ __ ] that's why they're.

[ __ ] that's why they're biased. And then you realize like, oh, that's. not exactly what happened. So I think. the people that are doing this have to. make sure that they're not hyperbolic. Well, I'm sure yes, exactly. And that. that goes back to this whole thing that. I. I've probably beat to a death is the. messaging idea, but. I think. is important, too, because today now. they're talking about social security. Yeah. And that people are receiving social. security that are 150 years old. That.

but I don't think that is the reality as. it's being explained by people who. understand COBOL, the language and this. this computer programming language they. use is ancient, right? Which is kind. kind of crazy that they're still using. that, right? It's the government. I mean, yeah. some guy who understands it was. explaining that if certain. certain factors aren't taken into. consideration or certain things aren't. entered in, you know, like date of birth or when.

there's certain things it. Or date of death or yeah. Right. But it doesn't even necessarily. mean that all these people are receiving. checks. Right. Right. They're just listed on the files. And it. doesn't mean money's going out to them. And so, yeah, again, from a messaging. perspective, you know, does Elon need to. like, you know, screenshot that and then. send it out as a as a tweet or whatever. we call X nowadays. And and then suddenly you've got, you. know, a couple million people going, "Oh. my god, we're paying dead people." Well, Right. Right. Right. That's That's the. problem with being hyperbolic. I'm going.

to send this to you, Jamie, because I I. was confused myself. And so, I was like, what exactly are they saying? Because it seems like the people that. understand that programming language are. the ones that aren't jumping on board. and saying, "Hey, this is what's. happening. Vampires exist amongst us. There's 300-year-old people getting. social security." That's not what. they're saying. The The people that are. that actually understand it are saying. that's not really the case. Although, how cool would that be if. vampires existed among us and we found. out the 300-year-old people were making, you know, benefits. That would be crazy. Like, how crazy.

So, I'll send you this, Jamie. This is. this guy's explanation of it. But that 4.7, I'm sure we're going to. find the trillion. Of course, some of that money goes out. And I think if you follow money in the. government, it's always more effective. and interesting than than anything else, right? You always You always get to the. bottom of things by following budgets. You know, depending on how it's hidden, right? And so, a lot of that money's. going to be, you know, perhaps it's in black budgets for, who knows, for defense department. activities. I.

It's worth digging into because it's. always fascinating. So, in that This is a guy that explains. it. I'll read this. I hope he's correct. This is a gentleman. named House of Carter on X. He said, uh. "This isn't a vampire conspiracy. It's. just COBOL, c o b o l. Legacy government. systems, especially social security, still rely on COBOL, a language designed. before anyone thought databases would. need to track people beyond 99 years. old. The numbers you're laughing at.

aren't literal ages. They're most likely. misinterpreted misinterpreted. categorical codes or data artifacts from. outdated formatting. Social Security. isn't paying 150-year-olds. The system. uses fixed-width fields, and when modern. databases misread them, they mistakenly. interpret grouping codes as real ages. This happens when old mainframe logic. isn't properly translated into newer. systems. So, no, there aren't thousands.

of people over 150 getting checks, but. there are a lot of outdated systems that. need modernization. Maybe focus on fixing that issue instead. of hyping up a non-issue. Mhm. So, um there's multiple people that have. said the same kind of thing. Yeah. Uh this guy says, "I'm an old programmer. uh coder in today's. parlance. As many old programmers know. COBOL, young coders don't. When Musk. claims that Social Security is paying. thousands of 150-year-olds, I think.

someone should let him know that COBOL. uh in COBOL, if uh a data is missing if. data a data is missing, the program. defaults to 1875. Example, 2025. - 1875 = 150. So, for some reason, if. data is missing, the program defaults to. this. ancient date, and it's just a problem. with data.". Yeah. Which makes more sense than. 150-year-olds. Exactly. But again, so so fine. I dig.

into it and find out. And you know what? If if you the end result is, you know, you don't have 150-year-old people. getting benefits, but the end result is. that you modernize the way that we store. information, right? Then great. There's. there's a benefit to DOD right there, right? We've we've created a more. efficient system for tracking and and. paying out and and and and good. So, you. know, everybody again, everybody should. should should not have a hard-on about. an organization called the, you know, Department of Government Efficiency. But, you know, and and I think.

ultimately I think they're going to do a. very good job. I just think let's. So, this is something to think about. with Social Security, though. So, there's that, which is probably a. misinterpretation of data. Right. But, then this other one that I just sent. Jamie. So, there's this woman who's a. whistleblower and she's saying they were. incentivized to qualify illegals for. long-term disability, to qualify. illegals for Social Security for life. So, they were set for life. And in in. quotes, she says, "They wanted us to try. to identify them in such a way that they. would qualify for long-term Social.

Security Disability." Now, long-term. Social Security Disability is for life. So, if they got identified and qualify. for long-term Social Security. Disability, they're as good as set up. for life. That doesn't sound like a refugee to me. She's saying, "Just being honest, it. sounds like someone is planning on. staying here." So, they're instructed to. try to identify to try to get the client. because once they arrive here, now. they're called clients. So, they told us. that we needed to talk to the client and. ask them if they had any headaches,

reoccurring headaches, or any lower back. problems. Anything that would qualify. them for Social Security long-term. disability. Which is crazy. Yeah. Yeah, and then. And but again, trackable information you. would think, right? So, you can go in if. you're if you're serious and and. persistent about it, you should be able. to go in and identify yes, Let's listen to this lady talk about. this. Cuz so, this is something that, you know, when when people are talking.

about the problems with Social Security, this seems, if she's telling the truth, this seems real. Right. Just being honest, that sounds like. someone is planning on staying here. A. refugee stays until the problem is over. and they goes home. Well, that's right. And so, they they instructed us to try to. identify to try to get the client. because once they arrive here, we're. they're now called clients. They're now called clients. Yeah. Okay. Because clients pay. Sure. Sure. I'm starting to see where.

this is leading here. so. they told us that we needed to talk to. the client and ask them if they'd had. any. headaches, recurring headaches, or any. lower back problems. Excuse me. Anything that would qualify. them. for social security long-term. disability. Wait. Wait. Hold Wait. Wait. Wait. So, let me get this straight. Part of the. screening is supposed to be are you. sick, maimed, injured, whatever. Right. Okay, good. You can come in. You get on.

the airplane. Are you sick, maimed, injured, whatever. Yes. Good. So, we can. give you disability. Correct. What? Yes. This is insanity. Yes. It is insanity. I mean, but in order to get social. security disability benefits, don't you. need a social security number? Well, we are We were instructed in the. meeting that one of the first things we. were supposed to do was sign them up for. social security. Yeah. Wait. This is unbelievable. So, they come over here and they get a.

social security number. Right. They become legal. Correct. Are you pulling my leg? No, I'm not. And then after they after we process. them for a social security card, then we. were to process them for a US passport. No, you're not. Yeah, I think we'd. again, fascinating if it's true. It's. it's outrageous, but. Fascinating if it's true. true, but you need corroboration on. something like that. Who was that lady? Yeah. And that's odd.

Dude, I don't know. She's every time we've seen her on the. Westboro last few weeks. disinformation. who they're what who they are, what they. did, where they came from. See if you can find that out. I mean, that's just due diligence, right? Okay, who you know, let's So, I. think that's great. And and the. obligation then is to say, "Okay, well, who is she? Why does she have this. knowledge? Is she credible? Can you. corroborate it with other sources?" And. if you can, then yeah, you got a serious. problem. When she At that moment where she said, um you know, uh get them a US passport, that's where I I started I that little.

flag went off and I thought, "Hold on a. second, you know, what Wait wait wait, let's dig into this and actually see.". Is that possible? from 2017. 2017? Wow. It's a radio show. A Missouri woman is interviewed by radio. show Josh Tolley. So, she I don't know. Wow, that's 2017. That's crazy. Yeah. God. So. So, but what would be the benefit of. that? The benefit of that would be you get a. voter for life. If, you know, if you are in whatever. party. You assume. whether it's Republican Party or whoever. it is that allows this to happen and.

hooks these people up and sets them up, you would think that that those people. are going to vote that way for life cuz. those are the people that gave them. American citizenship essentially, gave. them social security for life. Like all. you have to do is like tell them, "Look, you get this check for life. All you. have to do is keep voting." And you. Yeah. know how to vote. Yeah. the right way to go, right? You know, I mean, you don't vote with your [ __ ]. conscience. I want you to vote with, you. know, Yeah, you might be. you know, Yeah. And we'll And we'll And we'll. we'll regularly remind you who to vote.

for. Yeah, yeah, sure. We'll tell you. We'll send you. newsletters. Yeah, I mean, that would be theory and. that and that is the the theory, the. narrative that, you know, says that's. why, you know, the last 4 years we had. essentially an open border policy was to. bring in, you know, 10, 11, 12 million. new voters, right? I mean, that that's. the way that that story unfolds. That's one version of it. That's one version, yes. version is cheap labor, right? Cheap labor, um also just sort of the, you know, then there's the soft, um. well, it's, you know, it's the way the. world should work, you know, we need an. open borders world.

not buying that version. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that's. That version's horse [ __ ]. Most people don't don't fall along the. lines of I'm doing things for ideology. Most people have other more base. motives. My take is if you got a place that's. awesome. and you got a system that's awesome. Expand. awesomeness. Don't bring in people that. aren't awesome. And don't bring in. people from places that aren't awesome. So, the problem is if you bring people. in that are criminals and then have a. lifelong history of selling drugs and. being involved in the cartel, like. they're not going to come over here and. go, "You know what? I need to join the. union and be a pipe fitter." You know,

they're going to. they're going to [ __ ] continue to do. what they've done their whole goddamn. life. So, like the problem is not that. The problem is where you're from sucks. Yeah. So, I think the best way I mean. and I'm not saying we should take over. all these countries and run them, but. the best way is to get them to change. That's probably the only way that it. will really work. But the the way to do. it is to to somehow or another encourage. those countries to become more like the. United States. Well, yes and then you would do that. through soft power and you know,

organizations that could influence. hearts and minds and yeah. This is This is the. So, I'm trying to look at this from a. bunch of different perspectives, right? This is a very complicated situation. It's not as simple as. you know, we need to stay out of the way. of other countries' businesses. Right. No, it's No, I don't know I. Again, and it comes back around to. uh it'd be lovely if we were all working. on the same team. Uh. that's not how I don't think human. nature is. So, um.

you know, I I. Well, that's not the state of the world, right? the state of the world and and it's and. the the last 4 years and I would argue. during the Obama administration they. they oftentimes from a national security. perspective seemed to run it based on. how they they hoped the world would be, right? As opposed to how the world. actually is, right? And so, you know, like him or hate him, you know, again, the current administration tends to you. know, I think look at things in a more. pragmatic way, you know. think they'll be able to do that with US.

aid? Do you think they'll be able to. convince some of these other people that. are all these USA first people that. don't think we should be spending any. money overseas. Yeah. that maybe some of this money is well. spent for our best interest. Yeah, uh. If Yeah, I that's a good That's a good. question. It's a good question, right? Because. It really is. Yeah. And are you even allowed to say what. you're actually doing then? Because how. do we discern whether or not How you. going to tell people that $20 million. for Iraqi sesame street is actually a. really good idea? And here's why. And.

it's. Or but how you going to tell them that, you know, buying and owning Gaza is a. good idea. Right? I mean, how do you I really don't. think he's going to do that. I don't Well, that's one of those things. Yeah, I I don't think so, but. turning the Canada into the 51st state. But but but to the people on the on the. on that side of the fence who say no. money spent overseas, you know, How you going to justify that? What are the Yeah, what are they going. to do? Look at that and go, "Well, that's a that's a [ __ ] up idea, right?" But, you know, but it's it's. still, you know, President Trump, so. yay, we got to support it. I don't know. Do do do they discern or, you know, do.

people on the base do they just say, "Yeah, everything that comes out of the. White House is a great idea"? Because. that certainly runs counter to the idea. that we don't want to spend money. overseas. What are you going to do? Substitute Ukraine now because we don't. want to spend money in Ukraine, you got. to substitute it for Gaza? Right. Again, that's it's. idea that we would protect American. interests better if we were in control. of that? And so like if Israel did. something, if someone did something, we'd be able to respond in minutes. versus in days. Well, that goes against the idea that we. don't want to be involved in foreign. wars, right? I mean, if if President.

Trump doesn't want to be involved in. foreign incursions and wars, he's picked. a hell of a spot to not be involved in. foreign You're going to drop yourselves. in in Gaza. He's going to fix it. Well, I know. He's. going to make it nice. Build Trump. hotel. Yeah, so I mean, but again, hey, look, I. think it's I think it's great in the. sense that I never thought I'd see the. day where where some of these Arab. states would turn around and say Hamas. has got to go. I mentioned it before, but. Yeah. that that's a sea change. That's a big. goddamn sea change. And it's kind of. like with Ukraine right now, right? He. comes out and he says, you know, "Okay,

we're going to start these. They finished already. Earlier today, they finished conversations in Riyadh in. Saudi Arabia between Sergey Lavrov and. Marco Rubio and Steve Witkoff on the US. side and. um to to start the discussions about. peace in in in the conflict, right? Without Ukrainian representation or. the Europeans there. NATO wasn't. represented either, right? So, How do they have those kind of. conversations if they don't have. Ukrainian representation? Mhm. A lot of people asking that.

question. Yeah. But now that they've done it, right? Again, under this idea that yeah, you. can't. You have to bring them in. But. the fact that you just just jumped into. the breach and got started, right? I. mean, you think about it. In in the. previous administration or in a normal. administration, I'd argue, getting to. the table where you'd sit down and talk. Look, that we did This is the first time. we've talked to the Russians really in a. serious way. since the invasion back in 2022, right? So, the fact that, you know, most. administrations would have taken, you.

know, a year just to map out, okay, well, this is what the talks are going. to look like and this is, you know, we're going to have to This is what the. conference table look like and this is. where people are going to sit and this. is what we're going to be able to say. And it would take months and months and. months to get that. These guys just. said, "Ah, [ __ ] it. Let's go over. We're. going to sit down. We're going to talk. with them." Now, that's forced, right? That's forced the Europeans to say, "Okay, what Okay, how do we get. involved? We got to be relevant." And. they do, right? Look, the European. nations and European institutions have. uh allocated more money to Ukraine than.

the US has, right? I mean, they're up to. depending on numbers you look at, they're up to maybe 130 billion dollars. allocated in in financial and. How much have we allocated? Probably about 119, 120 billion. I thought it was way more than that. I. thought it was 100 100 billion. Well, Zelenskyy said he hasn't received it. No, well, when I say allocated, not all. of it's been dispersed, right? So, now, the US is the leading military provider. of military hardware gear. Um but if you combine humanitarian, financial, and and military all. together, EU institutions and EU.

countries have actually allocated more. than the US has. Oh. And that, you know, logic would say buys. them a seat at the table for any peace. talks. Aside from the fact that they're. sitting right there, you know, close to. Russia. They've taken in a. vast number of Ukrainian refugees. Um you've got Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. sitting right there on the border with. Russia. They've got a real reason to want to be. involved and and but again, Trump saying. let's just start the conversation with.

Russia. It's forced the EU to say, "Okay, how do. we how do we get involved? How do we. rethink?" Much like the Arab states with. the Gaza issue. So, now they're saying, "Well, Keir Starmer over in the UK is. saying we you know, we'd be willing to. put boots on the ground for some sort of. peacekeeping force." Um you know, and. and other nations some are pushing back. You know, Poland, Germany they're. I don't know about deploying troops to. Ukraine to to enforce some sort of peace. deal. But, they're talking, right? And. they that accelerated the process. So, you know, they'll have to be involved.

and Ukraine will certainly have to be. involved. What are you going to do? You. got an invaded country and they're not. going to be involved in in the future of. what happens to the invaded country? So, they'll be involved and and Marco Rubio. has said as much. But, I think um. I think it's So, I think it's good. I. think you know, people are really up in. arms over the idea that they've started. the talk without the Ukrainians sitting. at the table. But, I don't think there's any intention. in any plausible scenario where the US. doesn't get them involved here in the.

very near future because otherwise it's. going nowhere. When Zelensky says that he hasn't. received a hundred billion dollars, what. does that actually mean? Does it mean it. just hasn't gotten to Ukraine yet? It means you know, money is yeah. mean it's missing? It's not No, it's not missing although. So, this is the thing that people are. saying is like Tucker Carlson was. talking about this. And he he was. essentially saying that there's a bunch. of people that are spending money and he. would went to some wealthy ski town and. these Ukrainians they're all super. wealthy and he thinks that some of that.

is. is you know he's. he's not going out on a limb there, right? I mean look at Ukraine, one of. their big problems over years and years. has been corruption and fraud. And one of the reasons why, you know, they there was pushback against, you. know, this idea of NATO even though back. in. in. 2008 or 9, 2008 you know, at a at a. European summit they actually. said at during the NATO summit they said. uh yes, at some point in the future.

Ukraine and Georgia you know, will. become members of NATO. We're not going. to give you a timetable, you know, we're. not going to tell you what that's going. to look like, but you can become members. of NATO. Um but one of the problems has. been the the level of corruption within. Ukraine. So, is is some of that money. both from the US and from the EU gone. missing and and lining pockets? Oh, absolutely. There's no I mean there's no. doubt about it. Look at Iraq, the money. that we spent in Iraq and how much I. mean just any any time you've got. government disbursement of that size. Look at the [ __ ] COVID fraud, right?

Right. Anytime you got money going out in large. buckets from the US government, you're. going to have fraud. fraud. Absolutely. Yeah, you're going to have. people who are going to take advantage. of it. So, yeah, that's that's that's. not a surprise, you know, and and and. Tucker's right for pointing it out. I'm. just saying it's not rocket science. Um how much? Well, that's again, you. would like to think that DODGE one of. their jobs would be to go. you know, and and I think if there was. more transparency. in how the money is spent as there. should be, right? I mean then maybe the.

taxpayers would be a little bit more. um understanding or lenient, you know, and and if they. If they're not going to be lenient or. understanding for any fraud where people. are getting rich off of this. Right. There are people that are getting rich. off of this. I remember there was one. guy that had to resign because it turned. out he had somehow or another moved. around a a billion dollars that he. shouldn't have. Remember that story? billion dollars yeah. Yeah and he's like well I'll just I'll. just step off. And so he. kind of went away and. He's living on a yacht. There's these stories and it's so.

confusing because you know we're getting. the mainstream media version of what's. going on. versus boots on the ground. Where where. is the money actually going? Yeah. What is actually happening? Why did. Russia actually invade in the first. place? Well my company was out in Iraq um you. know shortly. actually a little bit before but then. you know following uh the 2003 entry of. the US into Iraq. And so we were there for a handful of. years right providing security.

assistance to a variety of of. organizations and. you know you you didn't have to look. hard or far to see you know there'd be. some some group coming into town saying. hey we just started up this company you. know and it's you know it's an 8A. company. Look we're owned by Eskimos or. you know handicap women or whatever. They just set up some [ __ ] company. to get government contracts. No. experience no other and yeah so you know. we we watched that unfold. Anytime you. have a an environment that's that's.

steeped in chaos you know yeah that's. that's fraud is definitely going to. happen. So you have to you have to be. incredibly aggressive and and and. willing to hunt it down right? Um but I think sometimes the problem is. in government there's like an accepted. loss concept like with uh you know. credit cards or retail operators right? We ain't got an accepted loss. We know. we're going to lose a certain amount. each year to fraud. Columbia Record and Tape Club. Yeah. Remember that? I do. I was a member. I was too.

I think I still owe them money. That's. that's right. I'm still getting notices I have not. received my. People don't remember that. That was. when you used to get cassettes and CDs. in the mail and you sign up and you get. like it was a big it was a big. hustle with the music industry to sell. more copies. Yeah. And you could never unsubscribe. You could never get rid of it. You could never get rid of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it made it look like. they had a lot more people buying albums. than they were. They weren't really. buying them. They're getting them from Columbia.

record and you get like 10 of them for a. buck. Everybody's like, oh, this sounds. great. And then you get them for regular. price afterwards like, oh, [ __ ] this. They'd send you a little catalog and. you'd check off which ones you wanted. and send it. Nobody Nobody paid. Yeah. It's like all my friends did it. Oh god. Completely weird scam that went on in. the 1980s. Yeah, it was I remember Netflix started. by mailing you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember that. And yeah. You. used to get a CD in the or a DVD in the. mail. Yeah, I told that to my boys the other.

night when they put on Netflix and I. said, you know how this got started? And. they were like they were they couldn't. believe it, right? I mean, they're still. amazed when the our postman walks by the. house, right? They think it's incredibly. quaint that somebody walks by and leaves. you with some mail. I wonder what they. would. I mean, imagine taking a kid to like. 1988 and bringing them to a Blockbuster. Video. They would walk around and go, what is. going on? Well, we don't have the. internet anymore. I mean, yet. So, this. is how you get movies. They'd be like, shut the [ __ ] up. You don't watch it on. your phone? Like we don't even have. phones.

Yeah, no. Yeah, no one had a cell phone in the. 80s. Your evenings were spent with a bowl of. of unshelled nuts, walnuts and you'd. crack them and that was your activity. while you talked to your mom and dad or. something. You know? ever showed someone a phone back then. and say, someday people are going to. jerk off looking at that. They'd be like, what are you even. talking about? That's the dumbest. prediction of all time. That's not in. Star Trek. You you get a. you get a phone call. I remember for if. you know, some some some girl would call. and and and and my privacy was only as.

long as the cord on the phone. Oh, yeah. Right? Right? Cuz everybody was in and. had. to the closet. Yeah, yeah, more. If you. had one of them ones that like had the. like a little portable one with the cord. attached. Yeah. And then you'd hang it up on that. like a desk one. You could bring a long. cord if you were lucky. If you were lucky. But we had the wall. ones and so they had the little curly. cords. the worst. I could go around the corner and then. you know, it'd be. cords always [ __ ] tangled. You had to. spin the headset around to untangle the. cord. Cuz people don't know. The cord used to.

drag to the ground. Yeah. Do you remember your landline. phone number from when you were a kid? Yeah. Yeah, I do. Yeah. I do, too. I It's the craziest thing. I. can still I can't remember what I did. two and three hours ago and I could. still you could put a gun to my head and. I could recite the phone number I had. when I was 8 years old. Yeah, ain't that weird? We used to be. able to remember so many numbers. I only. know like three or four numbers of my. friends by heart. Yeah. You know your kids' numbers by. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And my wife's maybe a couple of my. buddies that have had like my friend.

Eddie's had the same phone. But he's got. a new one now. So it's it's weird that. we don't have any numbers in our head. anymore. No. I. No. I I I will say. and I know this because just day and a. half ago I was I was. I was doing something I was filling out. some application for one of my boys, the. middle boy, Scooter and and. and it asked for his phone number and I. had to look it up. Mhm. So I was thinking like, well, I don't. know. I just push the button. I have to look up mine sometimes. Cuz I change it. When I give someone my. number, I have to tell I have to go I.

don't hold on. Yeah. Yeah. I [ __ ] it up. I haven't changed my number in [ __ ]. generations. I don't you know. Yeah. I don't know. It becomes a an issue. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, for you I think it's. it's different. point in time you're just getting. bombarded by people that you don't want. to talk to. You're like, okay. This is. only one way out of this. I've got all the friends I want. to vanish. Yeah. It's not even the friends you want. It's. all transactional. That's the problem. The problem is like you start start. realize. this person only texts me when they want. something. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And and the text before they want.

something are [ __ ] to say hi tax or. are because it's coming. Here comes the. thing you want and then that comes. Yeah, I get that from um. I've got a startup. Oh, [ __ ]. Yeah, I get I get it's interesting. [ __ ] off. Yeah, it's I I don't get the investments. cuz nobody thinks I have money but but. uh you know, I'll get like sort of a a. request for you know, how about a hookup. with. you know, somebody in some part of the. country or government or you know, you. know, so and I'm like I I'm not going to. put you in touch.

with anybody Adam. are the worst. Uh. you know what today is? You know what. today is? Today is my 20th wedding. anniversary. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you very. much. I just. I was thinking about that. Um I know. It was funny cuz uh. uh you proposed the 18th uh for us to. get together and immediately I thought, well, that's our anniversary. And then I. thought, well, she loves Austin. So, I could. combine the two. There you go. And I don't know that I got credit for. it.

I'm not sure. Yeah, you won't. If you combine work with anything, even. if it's the most awesome vacation but. it's also work, you don't get credit. Yeah. Oh, you you didn't even. go out of your life to do this. Yeah, you know, you kept doing the same. stuff and then you added a thing. And then here it is, yeah. 20 years and. here you go. Yeah. I don't know. Well, but we do a nice restaurant? Um yeah, yeah, we are. Um. uh. and uh and we had a we had a dinner in. in uh in Boise with a bunch of folks. uh on Saturday night that was really.

lovely. So, we got everybody together. and. Do you guys have wolves out there in. Boise? Uh yeah, yeah. I I saw you you you put. something out about wolves being near. Aspen. 30 minutes outside of Aspen, my friend. has a ranch and they just released. wolves there a couple weeks ago. Yeah. And he's already finding if they took a. photo of it and put it on my Instagram. He found a dead elk leg. The neighbor spotted the wolves and. they're on his property and he has I. mean, they've released them on his. ranch. Yeah. Yeah, it's. No No one let him know that's the leg we.

found in the snow. No one told him, and. these are big Canadian wolves that they. got from BC, by the way. Oh, no. The repopulation program Look, the way you feel about it is entirely. jurisdiction based. What I mean by that. if if you live in New York City or. Chicago, you love the wolf repopulation program. If you're if you're a rancher or, you. know, you you live out in the in the. Northwest or the West, you're like, What the [ __ ] are we doing? it's all ranchers. This is what's crazy. It's like they released the wolves where. the [ __ ] livestock is. What's crazy.

is they had a mandate to release wolves. in Colorado. So, the first wolves they. released they got from Oregon, who they. took out of areas where they were. killing livestock. So, they got wolves. that were accustomed to killing. livestock, and then reintroduced them to. Colorado, where there's livestock, and. what do you know? They start killing. livestock. Yeah. And you. Kind of crazy. And it's true. And what And what you. said is is absolutely true here. You. have this a short period of time, and. they're going to start laying on wolf. hunts, right? And. not going to find them.

Yeah. Here's another thing my friend said, you. can shoot them if they kill if you're. killing your livestock or if they're. killing a working dog. Mhm. Yeah. But you can't shoot them if they're. killing your pet. Yeah. I can't. I can't. You can in Idaho. Well, in Idaho you can kill them. In. Idaho, they're giving out tags. And. they're giving out tags in Montana. And. this is what people need to understand, when they first reintroduced them, there. was no way you could shoot them. Right. And then it got to a point they're like, "Okay, this is not just sustainable. This is a large population of animals.

that is doing a lot of damage.". Oh, yeah. And they do uh surplus hunting. So, in. one place in I think it was Wyoming, they had killed like some crazy number. of cow elk, like 15 or 16 of them. A predators, man. They're incredibly. efficient. Yeah. And they work together. They're. the only animal in North America, other. than coyotes, which are actually wolves, too. They're a small wolf. But they're the only animals that work. as packs. And they're so good at it. They're so good at it. They're so. [ __ ] smart. They're so smart. They're. They're all psychic. They all [ __ ].

think together. They're like a hive. mind. Yeah, they did their hierarchy is. amazing. The way that they Yeah, I did a. several days out in Yellowstone one time. for a TV show an episode and. you know, following or trying to anyway. the lives of of a family out there and. it was it was amazing, right? It was. really Yeah, it's just incredible. They're amazing animals. It's just this. ballot box biology. These people that. are in Denver and Boulder. They're the.

ones who are the big population centers. They're the ones who are voting for. this. But you're not going to release. wolves in the middle of downtown Denver, right? No, you're going to release them. out in the area where these people voted. against it. wish that they would though. The area where they released them first. were areas where people voted against. the wolves. It's just like a big [ __ ]. you to those people. Yeah, well, it always is and if you're. if you're a ranch I mean even in Idaho, right? Then you're constantly fighting. for for just kind of common sense. decision-making and you know, luckily. you know, the state house is very you. know, favorable. You know, who knows? I. mean maybe that changes in 10 years, but.

for right now, you know, they understand. look this is this this is what's. important to this state. This is why. it's such a great it's a great place to. live. But. yeah, so. I don't know. I I saw that and I it it. you know, it it's it's front and center, but I know exactly who's voting in favor. of it, right? Because I you know, I've. talked to those people who don't. understand at all you know, what it how. it operates, right? it's a pet project no pun intended of. the governor of Colorado's husband. His.

husband is a big on wildlife. which everybody should be. Who's Who's the governor of Colorado. again? It's uh God. Oh, well, yeah, not important, but. Not important. But it is important if. you live in Colorado. The reality is it's already started. The. wolves are there. And they were coming. into Colorado anyway. They they there's. Colorado wolves that were moving in from. neighboring states. Colorado borders. Wyoming, of course. Right. And they don't stop at the border. It's. not like they go, "Ah, [ __ ] it. It's.

Colorado.". hundreds and hundreds of miles. You. know, I we we showed a video on here. once of a friend of mine filmed a wolf. in Bakersfield, California. And uh I was like, "Well, these people. that live out there, the ranchers that. live out there talked to me about it.". One of my buddies who actually works on. a ranch filmed it filmed this wolf. And. we actually played the video. It's a big. black wolf that's in a cattle field. In. like in [ __ ] Bakersfield. It's just. outside of Bakersfield. It's like off. the five. Um well, what we had Diane.

Boyd on who is a wolf reintroduction. specialist. Like she's she studied. wolves her whole life. And she's not in. favor of reintroduction of wolves. She. she thinks they should be they should. reintroduce to areas naturally and they. were going to do that anyway. They were. going to migrate into these areas. naturally and that's the best way to let. it happen. Uh but she said they can travel hundreds. and hundreds of miles. And that this. wolf probably came all the way from. Oregon and just made its way down. It. probably wasn't even a because their. fear was that some crazy wildlife group.

was like, "We're going to reintroduce. the wolves ourselves." And they're. they're capturing these wolves and then. bringing them to California. "Fuck you, rancher. You should be eating soybeans.". And they just release them. She doesn't think that. She thinks those. wolves actually probably made it from. the wild all the way down there because. they really travel insane distances. Yeah. I mean no, that makes sense. And I'm. glad to hear that she's after all that. experience she's she's not in favor of a. program. I mean that shows a lot of. common sense. a giant monkey wrench into whatever.

ecosystem there is. But the reality of. the ecosystem of Montana where they did. reintroduce wolves was that they were. very overpopulated with elk. To the. point where well, she was explaining. this they used to have these winter. seasons for cow elk be and you know, it's basically shooting fish in a barrel. because they're stuck in deep snow. Yeah. And you could just pick them off. And. they did that because they were heavily. overpopulated. The land couldn't sustain. the numbers. And so they offered. opportunities for hunters. Hey, it's. great. You shoot an elk, you get even a.

cow elk, you get like 150 lb of meat, 200 lb of meat. And it's great. That's your meat for a year almost. I remember a park ranger out in. Yellowstone told me one time he said he. was driving. He was out just sort of. like checking things and and came across. a. a large. I forget what he called it. It was a van. of some sort, but it was a like a VW, you know, hippie van of some sort and. there were. four. young folks, he said early 20s, and they. were trying to herd this little baby.

bison. that had gotten separated from the herd, right? And was now all on its own. And. they'd been driving along and they saw. it off in the distance in the in the. fields and they So they decided they. were going to rescue this thing. So they were out there trying to get. this thing to come towards their their. van. I have no idea. He says, I don't. know what what what were they going to. do? Put it in the van? He he had no idea. what they were trying to do, but he he. stopped and said, "What are you doing?". He says, "Well, we got this baby thing. We're trying to save it." He said, "What. the [ __ ] Get in your van and drive. off." He said, "This is This is how this. works, right?" And they go, "But it's.

not going to find its mother." And. they're like. Have you ever seen the Instagram page. tourons of Yellowstone? No. It's one of my favorite. Tourons? Tourons that are tourists. Tourons of Yellowstone. It's a great. Instagram page. All right, I'll check that out, definitely. taking selfies with with with deer and. selfies with bison and selfies. yeah. It's people trying to feed bears. God. And it's all people just getting [ __ ]. thrown through the air by giant bisons.

Yeah. I love that when they when they're. they're like this and it's right behind. them and they're just trying to get that. picture and that and once that bison. starts staring, right? Once it starts. staring at you, You got you got problems. This is one I saw the other day. These. people are right this black bear is. eating a fish right on the the edge of. this lake and they're getting right up. to it. I mean these kids are literally. 15 16 inches away from this [ __ ]. thing. And he gets closer, too, by the. way. look at the kid in the red jacket. He's. like, "Yeah, get our picture. Come on, I. got my thumb up. Yeah, come.

One of them winds up touching it. Holy [ __ ]. Yeah, he reaches over at the end of this. stupid [ __ ] video and touches it. And the bear is just like, "Get the [ __ ]. out of here. I'm trying to eat." They. don't care, but they're so habitualized. to being around people. No wild bear, a. truly wild bear, would ever allow this. No. This is just a bear. You know, they start eating people's. garbage, they start taking fish from. fishermen and that kind of [ __ ] And. look at this kid taking this selfie. He. gets closer. This this [ __ ] dumbass.

Look at this [ __ ] stupid kid. Look. Look, he's going to move in and touch. it. Oh, yeah, that could have been the end of. your life, buddy. Holy [ __ ]. And look, he's got flip-flops on. These. kids they're so silly. We go up we go up. fishing in Alaska and I'll tell you one. thing we're not going to do. Okay, I. bear comes out of the brush, we're not. going to stop and take a selfie. No, don't take a selfie. No, no, not at all. Alaska though, they. are scared of people because they hunt. them in Alaska. It's the only state in. the United States. And they want to open.

up a season in Montana and there's. arguments about that right now because. of the interactions that people have. with bears. Yeah. This is part of what the governor of New. Jersey ran on that he was going to stop. the bear hunt. And people like, "Yeah, stop the bear hunt." That [ __ ] lasted 1. year and there were so many problems. with bears. They said, "All right, you're right, you're right." And then. they reintroduced the bear hunt. Most of those are black bears, right? In. New Jersey it's black bears. But New Jersey has more black bears per. capita than any other state in the. United States, which is nuts.

Yeah, you always forget that New Jersey. how A how big it is, but also just how. green it is, right? It's [ __ ] rural. New Jersey is like. Newark and Hackensack and you know, those places and then. It's all pine flats and all the rest of. it, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like you get into the woods of New. Jersey, you know, it's [ __ ] real. woods and it just doesn't seem like it. should be cuz New Jersey's the Sopranos. You know, in in our mind it's all it's. Tony Soprano. It's it's Newark, yeah. There's nothing. green about Newark.

Yeah, it's like that's what we think. about with Newark. We think about. your Soprano voice? Yeah, that's good, yeah. Big [ __ ]. Yeah. You excited about the the JFK files. release? We haven't even talked about. that. Um. you know, I feel like. I feel like Charlie Brown with Lucy. keeps pulling that football away. You know, like today's the day, I'm. going to kick that football and then she. [ __ ] yanks that football and Charlie. goes flying through the air and lands on. his head. Yeah. That's how I feel. It's going to be the way it is, too. I. mean, I think I think they're like. saying kick out the door. I don't think.

they this time around I don't think they. can hold any more documents and they. don't have that many left to hold, right? I think they just found thousands of new. documents. 2400 more That is actually a good way. They found the FBI says, "Oh, look at. this. You know, we What they did was. they did a they did a review." Um. they started in 2020 and they said, "Okay, all our closed cases. we're going to start um you know, uh. compiling all of them in one place.". Why weren't they doing that 40 years. ago, 50 years ago? How do you not do. that?

prosecutor. Anyway, so they said this is. what we're going to do. So, they they. did and they said we're updating our the. way that we we digitize and and and hold. on to all our records and during the. course of that then when uh Trump issued. his executive order about the release of. the files and also for RFK and MLK. then the Bureau says, "Well, we were. able to because we'd done this. digitizing and and this this way of. tracking our records, we were able to. find 2400 documents. uh that are related that we we just. didn't know about. So, there's those and. then there's maybe 5,000 other documents.

left that haven't been released. Well, Trump was quoted as saying that if. you saw what they showed me, you. wouldn't release it either. Right. What does that mean? You know, What can that mean? It's a really good question. I Here's. what I think. I think and I don't obviously I don't. know what's in the in the in those. documents either. you don't? Well, you know, remember I was a I was a. toddler when when he was shot. And. although I would have that would have. been the perfect cover. Nobody's [ __ ] looking for a.

a toddler. with a little microphone magnifying. glass. come off that grassy knoll, right? But what what could po- I mean, it's not. like they're going to say in the. documents we did it, right? Like so what. is the what could the documents have. that would be so incriminating that they. wouldn't want to release them? Like what. would you document if you assassinated. the president? We just say, "Well, me. and Mike were sitting over here on the. grassy knoll.". And then we. Yeah. I think I think some of the documents. the redactions are really pedestrian.

Like they've redacted in the old days. they re- redacted a person's name who. was an investigator or a social security. number of somebody who was interviewed. or something like that. Right. And so there's there's like. Those are like weird. Yeah, there's like I think they held on. to Biden administration held on to like. 2,000 some odd. Well, in 2017 they were supposed to. release stuff. Right. And then this was when the Trump. administration didn't do it and that's. when people got mad.

Yeah. Like, "Hey, you said you were going to. do it." And this time they are saying. they're going to do it. And then they. got this hot lady who's involved in all. this, which is odd. It does Well, again, Why'd they pick her? Yeah, why'd they pick her? I mean, Is she a JFK expert? I think she's an assassination expert. Well, it's not just assassination. She's. in charge of UFOs, too, right? Right. And and Epstein and all the rest. of it. I think what we're going to find is this. is just me speculating obviously, but I. think what we're going to find with the. released documents is A,

um there's no smoking gun. Uh. and B, it's not going to stop um people. from believing what they believe. It's. not going to put anything to rest. Um and I think also there probably will. be. um one of the reasons I think some of. these things were withheld was because. it's embarrassing perhaps to um. the CIA and the FBI also in terms of. their collaboration. Look, Lee Harvey. Oswald was on their radar for good. reasons, right? For you know, counterintelligence reasons. He had.

lived over in Minsk. He he defected to. the Russia to the Soviet Union. He lived. over there for. 3 years. Um came back. Um. And so that in alone puts him on the. radar, right? Now suddenly he's a CI. concern. So the CIA is definitely. monitoring him. And then he goes down he. to Mexico. He goes to the Cuban and and. Soviet Embassies, right? He's desperate. to get involved in in the revolution. even though he's he's, you know, the. Soviets by that time had decided he's a. complete loser. Um and and I think what.

Is that the narrative though? I mean, do. we know what they really decided? Well, I I think you know, I'm just. speaking again from you know, from. experience in intelligence community. At. a certain point you look at somebody and. go there's nothing here. This person is. more of a of a liability than an asset. Well, wouldn't that be the perfect. person to make a patsy? Well, unless they decided the guy is. just unstable. Look, I mean they. reportedly reportedly he uh he was. finally granted. um. permission to exist in the Soviet Union.

after he tried to kill himself when they. said they were going to send him back. He couldn't he couldn't stay there, right? How did he try to kill himself? What did. Uh no idea. I I don't know that part of. it, but I think it's I I guess. So my point is is that I think he was on. the radar. And I think what happened was. in the documents we may find that the. CIA, you know, at the time. you know, was not proactive enough and. they didn't work. well with the FBI. There was real. friction between those two. And I think. that, you know, if they had if they had.

it brought in the FBI and formed them. said look he's, you know, work we've got. the Cuban Embassy and the Soviet Embassy. down in Mexico under observation. We've. had this guy on a radar for some time. He's now come back to Dallas and New. Orleans. He's he's back in the states. You know, we've got to keep an eye on. him. Right? I think if they had done. that, you know, maybe history changes. But I don't think they did, obviously. Yeah, but this is assuming that Lee. Harvey Oswald acted alone, which I'm not. buying into. Under the under the scenario, yes. That's what yeah. But I think that's. what we're going to see in some of this.

documentation. Well, if Trump really did say that that. if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't really see it either. It. has to be something. And that something. might be a second shooter. Well, it's not. well, I'm. Or more. I agree cuz Trump has never been known. to say anything hyperbolic. Um. so, I mean there's a chance that he was, you know, I don't know. Okay. He attempted suicide, a striking. indication of how much he desired to. remain in Soviet Union. Showed how willing he was dramatically.

and decisively when he faced an. emotional crisis with few readily. available alternatives at hand. He was. shocked to find that the Soviet Union. did not accept him with open arms. The. entry in his self-styled historic diary. for October 21st, 1959 reports, "I am. shocked." Two exclamation points. "My. dreams." Exclamation point. "I have. waited 2 years to be accepted. My fons. dream" I don't even know what that. means. Fondest? Fondest? It's probably they forgot the T. He. can't spell, this [ __ ] "My fondest. dreams are shattered because of a petty.

official. I decided to end it. Soak fist. in cold water to numb the pain, then. slash my left wrist." What a [ __ ] Uh. the then plague wrist Oh. plug then. What then plunge plunge wrist? Boy, can't spell plunge either. Then plunge wrist. Plunge So, he spells plunge p l a u g. I. I guess it's plunge wrist into bathtub. of hot water. Somewhere a violin plays. as I watch my life whirl away. I think. to myself, "How easy to die and a sweet. death to violins." Oswald was discovered.

in time to thwart his attempted suicide. He was taken to a hospital in Moscow. where he was kept until October 28th, 1959. Still intent, however, in staying in the. Soviet Union, Oswald went on October. 31st to the American Embassy to renounce. his US citizenship. Mr. Richard A. Snyder, the second then second secretary. and senior consul officer at the. Embassy, testified that Oswald was. extremely sure of himself and seemed to. know what his mission was. He took.

charge in a sense of the conversation. right from the beginning. Uh he said I. he presented the following signed note. "I, Lee Harvey Oswald, do hereby request. that my present citizenship in the. United States of America be revoked.". And then they let him back in the United. States. Yeah. So, this is why the the more tin foil. hat wearing amongst us say this [ __ ]. guy, he was working for the government. This is all [ __ ] They were setting. it up and they were using him as a. patsy. Oh no, I know that's I mean there's.

obviously like there's a strong belief. that the CIA was involved, the mob was. involved. And again, hey, I haven't seen. all the documents like you know Trump. has. So, I you know everything's on the. table. I don't know if he's seen. everything either. What has he gone. through all the files? Everything's on. the table. I don't know if he's seen. everything either. What has he gone. through all the files? Who knows? But I. think you know and who else Who else. said he's Cash Patel said he's seen all. the files. He said he's seen everything. Who else said he's Cash Patel said he's. seen all the files. Oh, okay. He said he's seen everything. Now, I'm. not sure how in what capacity that was. he part of a review committee perhaps? I.

don't I don't know. Interesting. But. We'll find out, right? We'll find out. Well, you have long said that you think. that the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination was was fishy. Yeah. Yeah, I really do. I believe that. and I also it's interesting that uh. his family doesn't want this released. They don't want the. remaining documents released. And I. think the reason there is because look. they you know, Hoover and and and the. federal and and state law enforcement. had a real hard-on for Martin Luther. King obviously, right? And they were.

covering him three ways to Sunday. So, including wiretaps some that were signed. off by RFK, right? By Robert Kennedy. So, as attorney general. So, I think you. know, the family is like look do you. really need to release these these. records? Cuz I think they're worried. about, you know, embarrassing. information about there perhaps about. his lifestyle. Hasn't a lot of that already been. released? Yeah, it's been talked about everything, but I think if you dump it out there um. you know, whereas.

whereas with RFK's uh or sorry with. JFK's documents like they've released. some 5 million pages of his, right? I. mean, estimates are like ah we've. released like 99% of the documents. Right. It's not that it's not that high a. percentage with with MLK. Right. So, I. think there's a potential for. embarrassment, but I also. same thing. I don't think in those. documents cuz I don't think anybody's. going to if. they're not going to self-incriminate, right? And I do think that there was. there was something going on. Look, I. James Earl Ray is a much more. interesting case study I think anyway.

than Lee Harvey Oswald. James Earl Ray. and his. behavior leading up to. um the shooting at the Lorraine Motel. uh kind of going off the radar, disappearing. The guy you know, the guy. couldn't keep himself out of jail. He. was a failed petty thief, right? And he. was just a a [ __ ] up. And then suddenly. he disappears off the radar screen and. he shows up and he you know, looks like. a college professor and he's kind of got. his [ __ ] together and you know, then. after shooting him he ends up in in in.

Belgium. And he got money and guns. Yeah, he got money and guns. He had He. suddenly he had a He had a bag full of. cash to go buy himself a Mustang which. he used to drive around the South and. and kind of be off the grid the grid. I. I don't know. That one strikes me as And. then the the the the sort of the the. interplay with with uh federal and state. and local law enforcement. To me, but again, my point is that they. released the documents. What do you. think there's going to be some note in. there saying. "Must kill MLK." Please you know, somebody talk to Hoover. So,

That's why it's it's fun to think like. what are what are they going to What's. the JFK documents going to say? What's. the MLK? What is What are they going to. tell us about UFOs? But. how much are they documenting? Like if. someone is involved in killing the. president, I I I would imagine they. wouldn't write that down. Yeah, you would think, right? You would imagine. Uh Kyle, we're going to need you to make. a statement here about shooting. Um so, I think that there's there's. probably I don't know why I picked the. name Kyle. That seems odd. Good name for a shooter. Yeah, yeah, it it was. It wasn't a. popular name I don't think back then.

But uh. I just So, I I think you like release. everything. If they don't release all. the documents at this stage, if they say. we're going to we're going to hold on to. a redact a thousand pages, what the hell are they doing? Everyone's dead. Doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make any sense. Just put it put it to [ __ ] rest. And. if if there's embarrassing things in. there, then then own it, right? Accept. it and and and [ __ ] move on. But. again, it's not going to change the. narratives that are out there. I don't. think. I don't think there's going to. it's it's not going to satisfy anybody.

Wasn't it also a problem which so much. time has passed that the waters are so. muddy in terms of like trying to see. clearly exactly what happened and when. it went down and how it went down. Unless they did somehow or another. document everything which seems insane. that they thought that they would just. tuck that away somewhere. Yeah, it seems insane. seem realistic that. It doesn't. Yeah. It seems much more likely that that. would be something that you would have a. conversation about in a closed room and. you would, you know, Yeah, if they if there was actually a.

cadre of people that did that, it's not in the documents, right? It's. It's because those documents are like. interviews of people on the grassy. knoll, uh, interviews of people who knew Jack. Ruby in his, you know, life. Mhm. My friend Evan Hafer has a an. interesting perspective on it, you know, special forces guy. He He thinks that. those guys who got [ __ ] over at the. Bay of Pigs when they didn't get air. support from Canada. Mhm. That if you were going to find a group. of hardened individuals that were.

essentially assassins for the. government, Right. those would be the guys that how would. have a bone to pick with JFK. Yeah. Yeah, I I mean I I again, until. everything's visible and out there, I. think everything's on the table. Uh, he's not wrong in the sense that they. they hated Kennedy, you know, but but a. lot of people hated Kennedy. The mob. hated, you know, RFK immensely right? Cuz he wouldn't play ball. Well, also he [ __ ] them over because. they got him elected in Chicago and then. turned on them and then they started. investigating them and they're like, "Hey motherfucker.".

Yeah, and then and then depending on who. you talk to, Jack Ruby was either mobbed. up or he did it because he was Jewish. and he and he didn't want, you know, the. Jewish community to take the or MK. The MK Ultra version is the best. version. That's Sirhan Sirhan, Charles. Manson, everything. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'll say it again, but read Chaos by Tom. O'Neill, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, no, MK Ultra is a that is a dark. history. or chapter. in the history of the agency. There's no. doubt about it. That And again, it's one. of those cases where you can't.

It's like we talked about with Allen. Dulles saying, "Ah, as far as I know, we've never overthrown a country." It. would be like if I sat here and said, "Well, as far as I know, we never did. anything." Of course Of course it. We've never done any mind control. experiments. Of course Of course they did. Yeah, it. was it was like the experimentation that. went on and that was outsourced. Did you see the most recent thing that's. people are saying about China? I think. Kurt Metzger sent it to me, so I know. it's got to be accurate. He's all out of his [ __ ] mind. Uh something about uh. some new thing that they found uh.

some Chinese mind control thing. Where uh. He saw that, Jamie? The stuff that they had they burned the. ether? That thing? I don't know. a cryptocurrency and the guy said that. they were being taken over by. Yeah, that has to be it cuz it was going. viral like yesterday. Oh my god. I How did I How would I How. would I miss. Miss this? I was not on Kurt Metzger's. uh email list. He looked like a million. dollars. just checked. It wasn't Kurt. He looked like a million dollars to do. that or like wasted. That's how people. saw it, I guess.

Wait a minute, what are you talking. about? They Somebody. What I'm talking about is some mind. control thing that they're involved with. with like their version of like a neural. link and. Oh, okay. There's a bunch of There's more than one. different scenario that they're picking. This is crazy cuz what goes around comes. around, right? Everything that's old is. new again cuz when we talked about MK. Ultra, the whole reason behind MK Ultra. was fear that the Soviets were engaged. in mind control. Well, this is a different one. This is. Someone burned 500 Yeah, this is it. ETH. to accuse Chinese head fund CEOs of.

using brain control brain computer. weapons. Allegations of mind control. tech spark a crypto donation spree amid. intrigue in Chinese finance circles. Yeah, this is it. So, this dude How do. you say that name? Hu Lezi? Hu Lezi? Hu Lezi burns 603 ETH to allege Chinese. hedge fund CEOs use of brain computer. weapons. Large donations totaling of. 1,950. ET That's.

Ethereum? Uh were made to various. addresses including WikiLeaks and. Ukraine. A self-identified Chinese. programmer has burned 603 ETH, approximately $1.65 million, and donated 1,950. ETH, approximately 5.35 million through. a series of blockchain transactions. while making allegations against Chinese. against executives of a Chinese hedge. fund. And so this guy, I don't understand why. he's donating the money.

Yeah, I'm not getting this. Uh so people would see it essentially. Okay, he sent 500 ETH to the burn. address with this message, "The CEO of. Kuande Investment Fang Jin and Zhu's Uh. Yuzhi How do I say it? Yuzhi? I don't know. Yuzhi, yeah. use brain computer weapons to persecute. all company employees and former. employees and even they themselves were. controlled." Like, what? Um okay.

The individual identifying as Hu Leizi. uh sent multiple on-chain messages. accusing Kuande Investment CEO Fang Jin. and Zhu Zhuzi of using what they termed. brain computer weapons against employees. and former employees. Kuande Investment, known as Wizard Quant, is a hedge fund. specializing in quantitative trading. Mhm. That old story. Yeah, so scroll down. It says, "This is. a new mode of crime which the victim is.

gradually deprived of his senses of. desire until it becomes a complete slave. to the digital machine. And if one day I. become a victim of the final stage, I. will leave the world.". The as the brain computer interface and. mind reading technology keeps. developing, there is a new mode of crime. in which wild animals become puppets or. complete slaves to the digital machine. I saw this on South Park. It was the the. the human caterpillar episode. Wow.

Um okay, so I don't understand and. Jamie, maybe you do. Why burning through. and donate Why putting all that money. just to get it seen? It would It would draw a lot of. attention to it that someone just. just literally like lit a million and a. half dollars on fire. So that's it. That's really Yeah. Yeah, it's getting same reason people. light themselves on fire, I guess. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Wow. Whether or not it's true, does I mean. that doesn't. Right, right, right. It doesn't mean it's true. Well, it could be just China. bullshitting us and saying that they. have this so. Yeah. Well, but again, the the amazing.

thing is is that is it. Like everything kind of repeats itself, I suppose. If you could look at it that. way. I I'm not going to go into some. grand thought, but look, I mean, you. know, we're engaged in World War I style. warfare in in in Europe now, right? With. trench warfare between Ukraine and. Russia. Um this. we're talking about mind control from. Chinese regime, right? There was a That. was what started MK Ultra was fear of. the Soviets and the and the North. Koreans at the time getting engaged in. in mind control and the worry that we. were, you know, somehow behind the curve.

and that they had this technology. capability to to control minds and so. next thing you know, you know, MK Ultra is is born and, you. know, I wonder what's the method they're. supposedly using to control these. people's minds. Like it was pretty. vague. Slaves to the digital machine. like what. There's a different article saying the. same kind of stuff we said with a couple. more of the messages. Elaborates on illegal activities they're. engaged in which include deploying brain. computer chips to control all citizens. until they become complete complete. slaves to the digital machine. Slimy,

distraught, lazy who described himself. as an ordinary computer programmer and. entrepreneur. That's what I'd say too if. I work for the Chinese government. Claims he's been controlled by the mind. control organization from the time he. was born, but only discovered he's being. manipulated in October 2022. So from the. time he was born they had a chip in his. brain, is that what he's saying? That's. not real. No. Cuz they didn't have that back then. Yeah, I'm concerned over the legitimacy. of this. Or if they did. I'm concerned over that. still be active in your brain? Like how. do you not have brain cancer?

Yeah. Uh it's been a very pain I mean maybe. it's real. I'm just [ __ ] around here. Uh maybe it's been a very painful in the. last 2 years, Lazy wrote. Now I have. completely lost my dignity as a human. being. I have decided to leave this. world. I hope this ugly world will be. destroyed soon. Oh, well, that guy. sounds like a. whole bunch of fun. Yeah. I said that that he just did it. just to give the story some credence, which that doesn't I don't know. I mean, maybe, but. That's the problem with today. It's like. there's so many [ __ ] stories. It's. like that sounds fun to say, they have.

mind control. Well, that's it. If you throw If you. throw [ __ ] out there and you couch it in. a certain way and you, you know, often. times you'll see some of this in in, you. know, I'm using big words and I'm. talking about the and, you know, it's. like the it's like the [ __ ] UFO. hearings up in Capitol Hill, right? I. don't know how many times I've had to. sit and listen to, you know, I I've seen. some stuff. I can't tell you what the. stuff is. It's hidden stuff, but I've. seen some stuff. I know, I get so tired of it all. Yeah. And and I think there's I think. there's. there's something out there, right? I'm. not I, you know, again, I I.

you know, I I agree with you in the. sense that, you know, we. we're certainly not the only ones out. here floating around, right? Um, I don't. know what it means. I don't know whether. we've been visited or anything like. that, but every time there's a, you. know, a. UFO hearing, it's this it's sort of that. same thing. It's that tantalizing like, oh, look, he's talking. He's talking. And then it's. about the release of those documents. though, that seems to me that that's. something that you would document. Like so Yes. Rather than say, I killed JFK, I'm going.

to write What do you What do I sign? Instead of that, it's more That's more. tangible like there If the government. had recovered some crash in 1947 in. Roswell, New Mexico and it really wasn't. alien spaceship, that seems like something they would. document, you know? Yeah. I I I agree. And I think that's I. think that's worth pursuing in a in a. big way. They should Look, there needs. to be more transparency about it. Um, but it And it's also the same like. with the COVID files, if there's such a. thing as COVID files. But sure, go.

through and look. I mean, transparency, you know, to the degree that you can. where, you know, you're not releasing. national secrets that are going to get. people killed, great. But, um the. Epstein files, you know, so I think. there's there's real value in saying. we've got because the government always. over classifies. Always over classifies. And, you know, it's and it's unnecessary. and it creates, you know, this this this. distrust, I think, half the time of of, you know, the. For sure. Yeah, they just like, "What. the [ __ ] That we don't believe anything. you're saying now.". Yeah. So, release everything.

Um let the chips fall. I I cuz I don't. think honestly I don't think there's a. lot of, you know, information there, but. I do think with the UFOs, all the. documentation of of. and the investigations that took place. of of unknown sightings. Um. but it's still going to not convince. people that we're not holding on to, you. know, crashed right spaceships. when you've got guys like David Grusch, you know, who's the whistleblower that. comes out and says, "Not only do we have. these ships, but we have biological. entities.".

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, then. you know, maybe explain yourself a. little more, right? You've already come. out. You kind of like opened your kimono. a little bit. Let's, you know, [ __ ]. say what do you know? And then put it. the rest. Maybe you got an obligation to. do that, right? I mean. I think he wants to, according to him, but he has to get clearance. He's already Yeah, he's already he's. already pushed that door open, right? I. mean, I mean as an individual, right? So, He explained on the podcast that he's. authorized to say what he's already.

said, but nothing more and he has to be. very careful. But then again, it's like, "How do I know?". Yeah, I know. I know that's not horse [ __ ]. I know. It's And that's And that's the. problem and that's going to be the. problem with the release of the files is. Also, if I was going to obscure some. sort of a government propulsion system. that's like 50 years ahead of anything. we could imagine, that's how I would do. it. I'd I'd obscure it by saying, "Um. there's some [ __ ] alien technology. that's available and we don't really. know how to use it, but they do visit us. from time to time and occasionally they. crash.". Well, look, they came over to New Jersey. Remember the drones over New Jersey?

Right. But now the Trump administration. has said those were they were running. some tests. Those were ours. Yeah. Yeah. So, why wouldn't the Biden. administration say that? What the hell? [ __ ] A. I mean, what's what's the point? you should tell me. Well, I do know, but I'm not I'm not I'm. not authorized to say. We got to get you in a skip. Yeah, but I know some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just can't say the stuff. Anyway. Listen, Mike, it's always great to talk. to you. It's been a blast as always. Uh. tell everybody about your show, where. they can watch it. Oh, thank you. Uh yeah. Uh. And listen to the Presidential Briefing. I can't think of a way I I'd more rather.

spend my 20th wedding anniversary than. right here. You want to go out to dinner? Um so, yeah, there it is. Daily Brief with Mike Baker. Subscribe. YouTube. Uh President's Daily Brief on. YouTube. It's very easy to listen to. 20 minutes. in the morning, 10 minutes in the. afternoon. We We just cover the news. We. don't tell you how to think about it. It's a top stories happening around the. globe. And um I like the idea that it's. not It's not an opinion show. I mean, occasionally something sneaks in, but. for the most part we try to keep it.

based on the facts. And it's it's really. simple. It's And you can find it again. um at President's Daily Brief on. YouTube. a real need for something like that. today. Well, you know, it's doing really well. because I think people will actually. want that nowadays. And they also like. the they like the brevity of it, right? Nobody wants to listen to me for well, I. don't know, hours, but anyway. We just did. Yeah, we just did. All right. Hey, thank you, man. Thank you, Mike. Appreciate you. All. right. Bye, everybody.