Joe Rogan Experience #2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day okay gentlemen what's happening nice. to meet you nice to meet you uh both you. guys were in uh the program uh which is. uh a u that's where I wore my broswell. shirt the. UFO disclosure documentary uh all about. what's going on behind the scenes why.

don't you tell everybody before we get. started uh Jay tell them what your. background is what you do I'm a retired. master sergeant from the Air Force work. 22 years uh retired 20 or. 2007 um started off as an airframe guy. ended up in Intel and that's when things. got strange um had my second Duty. assignment as a Intel guy and got. introduced to the program and that's how. I ended up uh in the movie as I had some. uh strange experiences that uh I could. talk about.

that were unclassified so I came forward. and that's where James found it me and. uh we got along pretty good and. everything's history from there and. Logan you were in the documentary as. well so tell everybody what you do so I. am a pull this up to your face I'm sorry. it's okay so I'm also a retired M. sergeant from the air force uh started. off as a B-52 crew chief uh cross. trained into Intel uh retired after 21. and a half and I ended up being being.

part of the UAP task force and I was one. of the first people to come across Jay. here and some other people and uh from. that um James found out about me and. said okay we need to talk so him and. Leslie Keane approached me and I was. like yeah but I kind of got outed by by. Jay Straten he he everybody was ganging. up around me and he around him and he. was like why are you asking me Logan.

work for me and everybody. went he okay I guess I'm out oh boy um. what so what let's start with you Jay. what was your first introduction to this. uh whole concept that we are in. possession of alien crafts or that we. have communicated or there's been some. contact like what what was your thoughts. about it before you had these. experiences I had had a a childhood. experience with a UFO previously to that.

when I was 10 years old so I I didn't. really get an interest in UFOs at all I. just thought it was strange uh was also. shared experience with my mother um what. was the experience uh well it was just a. Red Orb that came down it looked like it. came from atmosphere you know out. distance and then kept approaching uh my. bedroom window and ended up kind of. hovering near the bottom of my street. and I was screaming to my parents you. know there's a strange light outside and. nobody responded so so I ran out to get.

my binoculars my dad's binoculars and. ran out to the front lawn and finally my. mom was the only one that responded and. we both got to see it taken off as it it. came across the rooftop of uh my friend. Eddie's house at the bottom of the. street and uh that's what she got to see. my mother and I did it make any noise. zero noise no it just looked like a. total mirror completely polished mirror. kind of uh oblong kind of a a ship or. craft how big was it it was about 30 35.

foot really maybe even 40 foot yeah it. was about the half the size of my. friend's rooftop uh if you were to. measure it from front to back so you it. was pretty big it was enough for. probably you or I to stand up in it and. walk around a little bit and your mother. has the exact same recollection of the. experience actually I'm I'm start I've. been asked to write a book so I've got. her writing her part of that and I'll. have the same thing I've had another. couple of experiences that my family. members and other friends probably be. right up soon and so this was all when.

you were young and so you had this. memory in your head when you started. working for the government but when were. you introduce to the whole idea that. this is a real thing well I know was on. Mission because I I just kind of filed. away that UFO experience at 10 years old. for many years and I just was kind of. even skeptical sometimes about well. maybe it was just something you know an. aberration in my my mind or eyes or. something but anyway um um so I got.

really convinced that this was real when. I was at right Pat on a mission when I. was in the program and we intercepted. some calls that literally were speaking. about uh an nhi presence in the program. and they were working in Labs so right. Pat for everybody right right Patterson. Air Force Base in Ohio and uh nhi. nonhuman intelligence right that's. correct and so they were saying what. were they saying how much can you say.

like is any of this top secret or is any. of this I can pretty much talk about the. culture and the presence of the nhi but. I can't talk about like weapon systems. and the technology they're developing. that's all going to have to be national. security stuff because we don't want our. enemies to know what we got of course um. so what was this this talk of nhi what. did it entail well when you first heard. it well was between two people that were. uh talking about the day's interview. with this nhi that they had they called. an Ean an interview yeah he had had an.

interview with him and he was relaying. what was talked about in that interview. to another individual uh probably his. boss or somebody that is going to you. know pass it on to the rest of the folks. in the group or whatever did you see see. this written down I did not I I had had. it recorded just like you would with. anything else that's you know it's. recorded in s in such a way that it can. stand legal forensic kind of analysis. that that's the level of stuff that you. have to do with an Intel guy is you have. to be really specific about what you're.

recording and make sure it's accurate. even whether you believe it or not. what's going on you have to be able to. transcribe that word for word the way it. goes so you heard the recording that's. how you found out about this non-human. intelligence thing well it was an active. phone call that's what I did on the red. team that I was on for the program. because I was I'm monitoring for the Air. Force and in this case I'm monitoring. for the program can you say how the. conversation went like how did someone. bring up non-human intelligence what was. like had you was there any discussion.

before this non-human intelligence of. UFOs at all or aliens at all yeah there. was quite a few times we had a scientist. on the team who was an officer he was a. nuclear scientist and he was able to uh. give us some insights and stuff like. that because we'd have some really. strange things like uh things that were. turning at 90 degrees and how do you not. break that piece of Machinery or um or. not kill the occupants and they were we. were hearing stuff like that and they. had like very technical parameters that.

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and so how does the conversation go. where the non-human intelligence gets. brought up that was just uh like the two. of them that when we when I picked up. the call and started the recording on it. uh there was some guy that was there at. right Pat and apparently he had been. talking to this even and he said yeah up. today's session uh yeah we got some more. information you need to hear about um. this is what is going to happen you know. he says that there's going to be another. meeting and that uh if we don't return. our the equipment and the prisoners.

there's going to be some bad things. happen we are prisoners yes this is what. they said on the phone call and the. other guy's like well hey what if we we. can't get them you know to to return all. the equipment and the people and the the. guy that had given the interview he's. like uh you don't you don't want to do. that and the guy's like well why he said. if you don't they're going to be put to. death and I was like I I literally. stepped back for a minute and I was like. what's going on here so I had to finish.

out the call they they talked about. sunry other things just stupid stuff can. you be a little bit more clear like who. was going to be put to death the program. folks that are responsible for keeping. the the tech that's not theirs and also. you know doing things to these. extraterrestrials how did they allegedly. acquire this Tech retrievals retrievals. yeah when I was first introduced into. the program one of the very first things. they asked me is do you want to be part. of the retrieval program and I said well. tell me about it and when they said the.

things they said I was like no number. one it sounds gross number two you. probably can't give me enough PPE gear. and Hazmat gear to make me feel safe. around these things and no I'm not. interested in that thank you very much. so how do they describe it that freaked. you out that much they're talking about. biological entities that are retrieved. along with the crash yes why do they. crash if they're so [ __ ] smart that's. always the big question right well um. you're I think the the new guy on the. Block uh Jake Barber he's describing. some of the ways that you can do this. psionically I guess a pionic team he's.

going to start showing some of that to. the world um that some of this is some. of these crafter are manned and piloted. by Consciousness and apparently they. have a psionics team that can actually. get in the headspace of these craft and. cause them to land uh so it's not really. a forc landing it's just kind of a. mutual thing so wait a minute the United. States government has the ability to. contact or interact with these craft and. force them to land yes and then there's. other ones that are done kinetically um.

which is more the scary side of it and. the ugly side of the program is that. what you've got here is it's not so much. the military doing this but the. corporate people like locky you know. Northrup and all these other companies. they treat this stuff as very high high. value uh Target kind of stuff and it's. very valuable for them to get the. retrievals so you've got really what. amounts to a bunch of treasure Hunters. that are hired with mercenaries involved. as well that go out for these retrievals. and that's where Barber comes in is that.

he sees some of these people that are. hired to come out and retrieve this. stuff and he's done that so the idea. would be that the retrievals would be. very valuable because you could back. engineer the tech figure out how it. works Mak make weapon systems make. Superior crafts exactly how long's this. supposedly been going on for decades. it's been going on for a very long time. um and but okay so before I was born but. if the tech that we have now that allows. us to tell them to land didn't exist. before why did they crash before like.

what what is Roswell well. Roswell the the most accurate account is. the one where uh the microwave radar. wave form upset the uh onboard avionics. inside these craft that these nhi were. flying on that day in Roswell but it's. just radar is just a detection signal. right right but if you look at some of. the stuff like Gary Nolan said about how. you know even at the very molecular. level these things are are organized.

very minutely so you can imagine what. even a flow of electricity if it affects. it wrong or at the right right. wavelength it it does break down the the. electrical current and the. electromagnetic or whatever drive that. they might have and that seems to be. what happened at Roswell is that they. they actually accidentally went in um. and were just sweeping like a radar and. they it caused this craft to crash what. a [ __ ] design you know I'm saying like.

imagine imagine like if you bought a. Tesla and the wheels fly off when it. rains out you'd be like what the [ __ ]. you guys have this like super Advanced. vehicle that you can come here from. another planet and radar makes you crash. that's that kind of stuff makes people. incredulous right so I'd like to add. something here someone gave me an. analogy to say think of it as there's a. type of metal that is totally. non-magnetic but as soon as you put a. current through it it becomes magnetic.

all right and he said imagine this. you're in Roswell you're cruising along. you're checking out everybody doing. their thing and then because remember. that night there was a huge electrical. storm that's one of the big things they. keep talking about if one of those. things gets hit and all of a sudden they. slam together because now they're. magnetic and then they bounce off and. that's why you had one that landed in. Roswell area and the one that landed. somewhere else yeah there were two mhm. so that was what someone told me now.

I've never been able to figure out if. that's the actual truth but the two most. likely possibilities is that one and. what Jay just said there's actually. another person that was approached by a. you know the same race of nhi um and. this guy says that they actually. recounted what happened is that they. thought they were attacked by a directed. energy weapon and then they quickly. found out that no this was just. accidental and that this was some sort. of a a a a radar system that just caused. their their onboard computer to go.

Haywire for just that second enough to. cause the crash to happen but if it. almost doesn't make sense to me cuz like. like if you going to go visit an. uncontacted tribe in the Amazon you. would assume that they have weapons You'. assume they have bows and arrows and if. you got hit with a an arrow you'd be. like this is crazy you know I can't. believe I got shot by an arrow but you. wouldn't be surprised that they have. arrows like you would probably read hey. man we should be real careful that they. might have arrows they might shoot us so. if you're visiting the human race and. you're so Advanced that in 1947 you can.

come here from wherever another planet. another dimension whatever you're doing. mhm wouldn't you know about radar and. wouldn't you have like a system to. prepare yourself for storms yes and. that's something that might have taken. them by surprise because you're talking. about 1950s Radars were not all that uh. new but they weren't all that old either. when was radar invented do you know it. was World War II if I remember correctly. yeah it was World War II so it was right. around the 1950s right right just the. same time right so it may have been. unexpected technology for them and maybe.

they they just didn't have the their. countermeasures up or something there. could have been some type of arrogance. there because think about it if we based. on our understanding we believe that. they've been coming here for thousands. of years nothing's ever happened and. then all of a. sudden all of a sudden this new. technology and it causes their ship to. crash you have to think about the time. frame of when this radar stuff was. actually being and besides that they do. not. always I intercepted a different call. that states that they do have a. periodicity between when they come and. go they're not always here or they're.

out doing other things I guess and uh I. treat this like a a segment on The. Arsenio Hall Show things that make you. go I'm not sure it just seems dumb it. just seems dumb that radar could take. them out but one of the things about the. Virginia crash which is another James. Fox documentary which is excellent which. is all about the crash in Brazil which. is like heavily documented including the. guy who handled the body wind up dying. of some unknown own bacterial illness.

that they have no idea what it was and. he was a young healthy guy he carried. this supposedly carried this being put. it in his patrol car took it to a. hospital they wouldn't accept it had to. take it to another hospital and then two. weeks later this guy's dead and he just. he got unbelievably sick there was. nothing they could do to help him they. flooded him with antibiotics all kinds. of different things there was nothing. worked he died very quickly when you uh. you hear about that story the big thing. was that it there was some sort of like.

crazy electrical storms that night yeah. but again if you're going to have a. Tesla you would assume the wheels won't. fly off when it rains you're going to. come here for another planet like what's. on that planet oh well they occasionally. have lightning let's not [ __ ] around if. they have lightning let's not go into. the storm if you're in a plane you can. go above the storm you know how like a. pilot says we're going to take this. plane above 45,000 ft to you know to let. you know and then you look down you can. see lightning below you in the clouds. it's kind of crazy Y how come they can't. do that um you got me I was born in 63.

this has happen happened earlier than I. even got there I'm just trying to go off. of what I heard on understand but I just. I'm just you know Playing devil's. advocate or and I agree I I kind of had. the same thoughts but at the same time. you know we've made similar stupid. decisions when it comes to battles in. War I know but I would just assume. they're way better than us right I would. ass assume they like you were talking. about arrogance I would assume they. don't have that anymore like [ __ ]. work that out of the system we should. work it out of the system well I think.

they that that's true to an extent but I. think also they're very common they have. things in common with us as well that. they do have you know uh the same sorts. of you know desires to to to want to. live their life well and all these other. things are part of it so yeah well it. seems like if you want to go and do. something anything like you want to. explore the universe you want to. accomplish things you want to make. technology it almost seems like some. kind of self- acknowledgement or some. kind of ego has to be present yes like. otherwise there's no motivation to do.

anything like this was the question. about artificial intelligence we were. talking about this and I said but if. artificial intelligence doesn't have any. human needs it doesn't have any it. doesn't have the desire to spread its. DNA it doesn't have the desire to. achieve status yes why would it do. anything why wouldn't it just sit there. and just observe and just watch us be. stupid and maybe it would say logically. it would interfere if we were about to. blow each other up or something crazy. like that but other than that why would. it do anything why would it any desire. to take over well look at us and this is.

where I think there's a commonality. between us and the nhi um we're. intelligent uh intelligent people um. some of us some of us yes and. then go on Tik. Tok I've seen that stupidity you're. right oh yeah okay take back what I said. no but uh actually though they obviously. we're intelligent I'm joking but they. probably have a desire for entertainment. which we do have a great you know oh. yeah we're very entertaining we love. that yeah um and uh they probably have a.

curiosity as well they have to right if. they're exploring why else would they. explore so it's whatever it is that made. us us you know from ancient primates to. what we are today a big part of that is. all these needs and desires and you got. to wonder like at some point in time. does that get engineered out of the. biological system and if it does that. system seems like it wouldn't need to. explore it all unless it's facil ating a. process unless it's there's a very.

delicate process where uh Advanced life. forms like ourselves are experiencing. this new technology and a lot of the. people that are in possession of the. technology aren't even the ones who. created it so they have all this insane. responsibility but they've done none of. the work and they have power over this. technology which is where we find. ourself today which is real weird. imagine that's a process that all. intelligent life go go through as it's.

evolving all throughout the Universe. maybe they know this maybe they maybe. it's a precarious thing and maybe it has. to be monitored cuz like oh you know. star 15 remember that third planet yeah. know they [ __ ] whacked the whole. planet we got there too late and they. realize oh that took like four billion. years to make intelligent life that. could figure out cell phones and these. dip shits blew each other up yeah and. now there's nothing but you know. microbes and it's going to take billions. of years and it might not even work cuz. he might be too far from the Sun by then. and time for another test case yeah so. let's uh let's prevent these territorial.

primates from killing each other and. just maybe that's a thing that they do. throughout the Universe like Farmers. like you know make sure the Wolves don't. eat the calves you know just like. protect it until it gets to this next. stage and I have to say that on Mission. that I did get that feeling that no. matter where the nhi were mentioned it. was not a copacetic free-for-all. exchange of Technologies at all it was. very controlled by the nhi uh if there. was a lab environment the NH I demanded. that no human be in the in the lab while.

they're there or or watch what they're. doing and record what they're doing um. and then they would leave and then the. humans could come in so it's very. precarious little game they're playing. um so how long have they supposedly been. having these interactions with nhis I'd. say since I don't like calling them nhis. I calling them aliens for me again I. wasn't yeah I I like just calling them. aliens or whatever but um yeah I think. it happened in the eyes nowadays you. know that that's when it really started. to come because that's when they were.

saying that the this UFO came to hullman. and landed and actually talked to the. president at the time and all that stuff. imagine the UFO talking to. Trump oh yeah he'd probably try to tax. them uh yeah so my my biggest question. anytime someone brings up nhi aliens my. first thing is which one which one. because they they talk about it as if. it's one entity oh they did that oh they. did this but when you break it down. we're hearing some like us and want us.

to evolve some don't like us and want us. to kind of pull back pull back and they. want to control certain things so I'm. like well which one and then they they. look at me with that deer in the. headlight look like oh um I I don't know. right so there the idea that our. superiors that the the military the top. levels of government they even they are. not given all the information correct. because probably we're like a bunch of. children's you know we're like you're.

too stupid to figure this out I'm not. going to tell you what a nuclear bomb is. just Duck and Cover however we could be. the greatest show in this part of the. universe oh I'm sure we're a great show. yeah I mean imagine when we we talk. about the you know the things with the. nuclear bombs where the the missile. silos they you know started counting. down and whatever maybe it's like hey hm. let's see how far they'll go if we do. this right and then everybody gets all. excited and then I was like okay we're. just kidding we'll turn it off and go.

from there well perhaps I mean listen we. run experiments all the time on animals. all the time and we have collars on. Bears we set them loose like let's. follow the bear where's he going we do. that all the time we do that with all. kinds of species we do and I it only. makes sense that they would do it with. us especially so since we're we. literally have the ability to annihilate. all life on Earth and we're pointing at. each other multiple. times yeah mad mad world it's a mad mad. world I had that argument with Neil. degrass Tyson he was like why would they.

be interested in us like what are you. talking we go to the Jungle to study a. frog you know like of course they would. come here we're we're so strange and we. protect the turtles in that one little. area that EPA says oh no you you can't. mess with those turtles yeah imagine. Elon gets to Mars and we do find life. there and we'd be so interested to. figure out how it works what makes it. tick you know they believe they found. actual water on Mars not frozen water. now yeah on the poles yeah I heard about. that nut yeah cuz if there's actual.

water in there and they can find. something in that water that's alive. yeah but if we don't if we're going to. expand out into the universe which is. what Elon mus says the fact that we. don't have to bring water with us right. that's huge bro I ain't talking Mars. water I don't drink tap water and I. definitely ain't drinking Mars water it. could be better than red ball imagine. bro imagine if it's like filled with. crazy minerals and you drink a glass of. Mars water and you just feel incredible. and then we have to ship Mars water from. Mars back to LA. that's a war right there that's a war.

right there people are going to be like. how come they have it we don't right. there would be water wars what if Mars. water just makes you go back in time. like you look 20. again yeah you know I mean who knows. what the [ __ ] in that water I don't I. don't know but th those are the kind of. things you write though that that's kind. of how we are it's that we're very. curious about what's on that planet and. how we can utilize the resources that. are there like the water and everything. else and we're going to learn some stuff. and going to take a long time what I'm. really curious about about is what was. Mars like before it lost its atmosphere.

me too and was there a time a few. billion years ago where Mars was like. Earth you know it seems to be what. people are saying that's that's the. craziest of all theories right and the. most interesting but if you know Earth. still exists five billion years from now. and now it's cold and dead and there's. nothing how much would be left how much. is left after a couple of billion years. you know what is really left over what. does it look like does it look like Mars. cuz Mars looks completely desolate but.

we know that Mars had water and we know. Mars had a warmer climate so you kind of. just assumed there was something growing. there yep what what does it look like a. couple of billion years later probably. like Mars yeah which is CRA if we do. find out that Mars at one point in time. housed biological life or maybe there's. microbial life or something like that. that still exists on Mars Just the. climate is so harsh it can't advance. past that stage m that that alone would. just change our whole view of the the.

universe itself because then we would. start to consider okay maybe this isn't. just this one thing that happened maybe. the firmy Paradox is just that we don't. have the ability to detect all these. things that are out there yeah we don't. or maybe they really do pass by and keep. their doors closed and locks right we're. [ __ ] shooting fireworks in Fourth of. July we're nuts yeah we are the craziest. species on this planet by far everything. else is normal everything else just. kills when it wants to eat. everything else you know does normal.

stuff they fight over resources but that. kind of makes sense biologically. honestly after my experience in the. program I found that it seems the more I. think about it the more that they are. very much like us in a lot of ways but. they have probably a world government. that we do not have in other words they. can get along in their own Society much. better than we can in their former. government is not all broken up I think. if you Branch out into the solar system. and then into the Galaxy like if as you. start spreading out if you do become.

some sort of an Interstellar species you. kind of have to be United as a planet. right you got to go look all this. [ __ ] about the this country and that. country let's Let It Go let's Let It Go. I mean I don't want one world government. because I don't trust the government but. if I did trust the government I'd be. like one world government is the way to. go everybody should have the same. resources everybody should have the same. access to healthy food and water and. clean air like it should be the same for. everybody it shouldn't be that you can. make an iPhone in China because they can. make it for 15 cents because people are.

working like slaves exactly it shouldn't. be like that it should be like the whole. world has the same rules but the problem. is you can't trust the government so. what do you do well if you get to a. point where everybody's so Advanced that. we don't have all of the same greed and. lust and all the [ __ ] that ruins. Human Society yeah if if aliens get to. that point then it only makes sense that. they would operate as a planet but then. they would have like their interest in. ahead of these [ __ ] on that other. planet so along those lines it's those.

things that you talked about those are. the things that inherently make us human. little close toor the hand moves you can. push if you want to sit back those are. the things that inherently make us human. so the question would be depending on. which and child you're thinking about. right what inherently makes them them. and how compatible are we and what we're. looking at CU those could be some of the. things that attract them to us or. detract them away from us well what I'm. interested in is are there things just.

like us is this like if you you know. like there's similar plants that exist. in similar ecosystems all over the world. where ideally the seeds have never been. able to get back and forth but they're. similar in at least in some ways it's. just a matter of climate resources these. plant over millions and millions of. years the same kind of plants grow. similar kind of animals there's rats all. over the place there's there's a pattern. to it yeah there's there's a pattern at. Atomic level they that there's a way.

that things occur naturally and they. form different things so a bird I agree. I I think you and I talked about it the. first time we spoke on the phone is that. yeah there probably is a bird kind of. looks like a bird on another part of the. universe but maybe it has you know two. sets of wings right or two heads or. something I don't know just because this. ain't the little itty bitty teeny tiny. Bowl this is Super Bowl 59 get in on the. action at draftking Sportsbook an. official sports betting partner of Super.

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issuance for additional terms and. responsible gaming resources see dk. c/. audio something similar like I mean the. birds vary so w i mean you can get a. sparrow you get a [ __ ] eagle or a. condor there's so many different kinds. of birds too but I wonder is there is. this the only kind of way life evolves. or are there planets that are just. radically different than our planet and. life forms in a completely different way. yeah I would think think that that's. true also is that there's exceptions to.

the rule just like there are here on. Earth that we've got some really strange. creatures that roam around like people. are starting to say octopus octopi and. and stuff they don't fit the the the. normal way that things evolve around. right the Earth and stuff like that and. there's no bones there so you know. you're not going to find any fossils. anywhere by but if you think about some. of the things that we are being told now. 99% of all life that lived before is all. gone now right so if this is what's left. maybe some of those unique things that.

were out there there's something similar. because one of the things that I Ponder. is there's got to be some Grand Design. because when we see these aliens when. they whether they talk about it's a gray. it's a Nordic it's a Draconian or if. it's a mantis they're all standing. upright you know so is that a part of. The Grand Design that is as intelligent. as you get further up the free chain you. start to stand on your your two legs and. whatever and then I think about if it's.

a mantis whatever how do they build. their ships if they don't really have. opposable thumbs and you know those are. the things that we're we're always. taught these are the things that make us. unique as humans and we can build things. and that's why the other animals didn't. you know the only other animal out there. is what the the chimpanze or the gorilla. or something primates but. obviously nature finds a way and it's. not human nature it's something other. type nature and they do something else.

well it could be genetic engineering too. it could be that they going to mention. that they reach some point where they. say well what's the best structure for a. body a mantis structure way better than. a person structure we break so easy. mantis are insanely strong you ever see. a mantis catch a Hummingbird at a feeder. yes it's nuts man yeah taking out. tarantulas and Scorpion they're so. little and they just snatch that [ __ ]. up and he can't move like if you looked. at them like the the hum is probably. four times heavier at least probably.

more than that he just like gotcha it's. like that design the exoskeleton design. is Superior in terms of like durability. and also lobsters and crabs and all. these kind of insects like that do de. mantis regrow. limbs let's find that out all I know is. that because like crabs do I know crabs. can yeah lobsters and crabs all I think. of them as just armored spiders yeah. they're bugs I mean and if you think. about when they said that the oxygen.

level was at 30 35% and some other stuff. they're saying some of these spiders. were the size of small dogs I'm like. yeah that's not a place I'd like to live. so they can said pray mantis undergo. incomplete metamorphosis sometimes if. their cage is too dry am mantis may have. trouble shedding old skin will lose a. limb in the process of molting if it. happens it's possible for am mantis to. regrow the Lost limb but only when they. mol again okay so they Mt again and then. they regrow that limb but they do regrow. their limbs they regenerate limbs as. long as there's at least a COA remaining. whatever that is it won't regenerate.

right away maybe a tiny nub and then and. then they mol I guess wow interesting. that makes sense cu the the harder shell. would prevent that limb from continuing. to grow yeah but just seems like that's. a superior form of uh structure so if. you get to the point where technology is. all done with the Mind Right we've. developed artificial intelligence and. Quantum Computing and the being has been. generated over genetic engineering to. the point where it no longer has to have.

sex to re to recreate new versions of. itself and so instead the the way they. procreate is they they do it through. design and maybe they say look it. doesn't matter what you look like. anymore no one's [ __ ] let's all. become. mantises that's a good point right need. reset now this soft [ __ ] on the outside. like we're buil we're like [ __ ] water. balloons we're so vulnerable yeah you'd. better be wouldn't it be better if hard. on the outside and you know we don't. need to like use your fingers and thumbs.

anymore we do everything with our mind. MH I mean if it gets to the point like. this was the thing that I've heard about. people that have supposedly worked on. crafts is that one of the most. remarkable things is that there's. no there's no gears there's no levers to. turn there's no buttons there's no. controls that everything is done somehow. or another where the being and the craft. are one yes yes consciously yeah I've. had discussions about that with have you. talked to anybody that has said that any.

of the the crafts have controls in them. no all I've heard basic yes basic. controls while I was talking to Jack. surfa about it there was a a craft that. did have some place where the the hands. were in there but it was only. to uh sort of uh do some minor. adjustments for the craft is what he he. he was describing and other people have. described you know this is what was. going to say there's just all I've heard. is that there's been two places for you.

to put your hands and maybe for other. parts of the crew but that's about it. there's no maybe that's so you don't use. your phone so you don't get distracted. just use your hands put your hands down. on the thing okay there's. noology [ __ ] around yeah maybe they. have something similar to like cell. phone addiction yeah so they put so. they're putting their hands on the thing. wasn't that what Lazar said as well. didn't he say there was something. similar to that yes he did yeah so no. controls um and somehow or another. putting your hand on it sinks you up and.

then they're just using their mind. correct y did they try to explain how. this was. developed um there's a lot of people. that are looking into it now and they're. starting to see that yes it's possible. um and I think that's again some of the. new whistleblowers can shed some more. light on to how this happens and I think. we need to hear a little bit more about. these folks that came forward about the. psionics team and what exactly is this. meditation what are they linking up with. with is it does it feel mechanical does. it feel like an entity cuz you know when.

you hear Jake talk about his his. experiences he had a really spiritual. experience with one of these things. while he was carrying it to the next. place he's he was literally crying in. the interview this is that egg looking. thing yeah he said that he felt well it. was he called it the eight gone I think. craft that one was the one he had a. spiritual eight gone eighton like an. hexagon but it has eight sides but or. octagon I think would be the actual term. but he said it had like a eight-sided.

kind of a disc that so this is not the. thing we're talking about theic one this. is a different one A different one so he. encountered a different one oh okay I. didn't I didn't see that interview yeah. well the detailed one I think you can. pull that one out of there but he. mentioned that that one he had like a. real no kidding it was beautiful and he. cried about it because it was so. beautiful of an. experience wow and I I have a question. about all those things because if they. can get into our minds my thing is that.

how do you know that that's not what. they're putting into your head cuz like. what uh they experienced at at. Skinwalker Ranch when they saw the the. creature at the on the top floor they um. they said as they approached it they. started feeling fear and as they. approached it further the fear just kept. intensifying to the point where it was. like a physical change in the. temperature so if someone can put fear. into you why can't they put love into. you and all these different different. things and I'm not saying that it's not. genuine but part of being on the task.

force you had to question everything you. know well we can do that to each other. yeah yes you know we we can do that to. each other through threats we can put. fear into people we can do the you know. there's a crazy documentary called holy. hell and it's about this guy who is a. cult leader and uh one of the things. that he would do to these people he was. a hypnotist too but one of the things he. would do these people he called it the. knowing and he would put his hands on. them and they would say that they would. experience God they had to be prepared.

for it it was a thing that was very. difficult to get he he had to approve. you for it and all these people wanted. it and they never got it was like a. thing he held over your head and then. when he actually did it even though this. guy turned out to be a complete fraud. and the the cult disbanded all those. people talk about that moment when they. had that experience with that guy and. they say it really happened wow cuz the. human mind is weird right and if a. person can do that to you by touching. you it just makes sense that some like. super Advanced being would say like what.

is the best feeling that I could give to. this primitive entity that's studying me. to let me know like don't blow me up. don't [ __ ] with. me and this is the best expression that. you can have in life what is the best. expression you have in life is love pure. love like just pure just just un. untethered love yep it would make sense. it would like put that in you so that. you would protect this thing mhm and. that may be part of it and I think.

that's what their desire is cu like we. you know would try to put our best foot. forward if we knew that we were. similarly being scrutinized sure you. know we'd want to we want to do that. when we visit UNC contact tribes we give. them free food yeah just we're here for. you guys but see that's where my fear is. that's why I came forward is that I was. hearing stuff that. actually brought concern that you know. uh in the way I I kind. of package that up is that the military. happens to be unfortunately the face of.

humankind here in this situation when it. comes to the program because it's. definitely not the public we're just you. know errant having people come forward. with I got AB abducted or I saw this and. I saw that but in the military that. seems to be where there is an interface. going on right and I'm just wondering is. that too heavy-handed because they're. not seeing the full human right they're. only seeing the military humans right. and that's why I'm kind of took the tack. that I did instead of going through all. the other channels is I just was like. let me try something new let me talk to. the people and get to know the people.

what they feel about this and I'll just. tell my story whatever happens happens. yeah I took some Spears but you know. most for the most part people are ready. for this people people definitely want. it whether they're ready for it we'll. find out if it actually becomes bigger. and and more profound than what we've. currently experienced yeah I got I got. asked a question and they said if you. are going to go to Congress and say. here's what we need to know about the. UAP experience what would you tell. everybody that's a good question and my.

answer was we don't need you anymore. because so many groups now have caught. on that if they attune themselves to. whatever it is they can talk to these. things directly themselves now whether. it's good or bad but because of the the. Badness that has transpired over the. years more and more people of like you. you said you don't trust the government. there's people they don't trust the. government at all in this thing so. they're like let's Reach Out by. ourselves you got people doing you know.

RV and Out of the- Body Experience and. all that other stuff you've got people. that are being contacted directly so now. they're trying to say say things so and. also too we're evolving so as we're. evolving and other things start. happening you have to start questioning. why do we need the government in the. middle of this please don't take this. the wrong way because people will get. angry it's kind of like the Catholic. church I was always told if you want to.

talk to God you talk to God but then why. do I need a priest right you know so the. government's always been the middleman. so do we really still need him so when. you're saying that all these people have. figured out these methods how to. communicate with the aliens what you're. talking about is like people sitting. down this is something I'm hearing a lot. lately sitting down and supposedly. summoning them putting out like an. intention and that they they will come. yes does that happen with you you ever.

try it I haven't yet so why wouldn't you. try it if you think it's real I tell. everybody I'm Black and I'm afraid of. the. woo okay um but at some point I know I'm. going to have to embrace it because it. is part of the experience so like I'm. good friends with Travis Taylor and when. we first started talking he was like. okay I'd like to to talk to you about. coming out to the ranch you and some of. your uh your friends your Intel guys M.

and we you know we talked about it and. then I I kind of put it up in the room. and said hey. guys if we had a chance to go out to the. ranch who would go and all the white. people put their hands up right away and. all the black people were like in the. court going now let's think about this. actually asking you know and I and and I. sat there and I go why is it that we're. so you know reserved about going and I. remember something that someone told me. was when the happens you embrace it but.

you don't run towards it because that. whatever that experience is it was. probably meant for somebody else and now. you're interfering when you run towards. it right so if you summon the UFO like. if they come to visit you that's meant. to happen to you but if you're summoning. them yes yes you may be causing. distraction you know also like what do. you I mean people say that yeah if I. could if I could experience UFO contact. I would well would you really. cuz that might [ __ ] up the whole rest of. your life like what if it does happen.

and then it never happens again and then. you have a wife and kids and a house and. just sit in your [ __ ] living room. trying to pay attention to this football. game when you're thinking about I've. seen a [ __ ] alien I've I've seen UFOs. they've come down and communicate with. me telepathically I know they real. they're real yeah well it would ruin. your whole. life remember remember that remember. that movie with Ben F like I think it. was called like Chasing. Amy and Chasing Amy I remember the name. I don't remember not that Amy no but.

there was something that was said in. there that always made me think after. you have a first experience and in this. particular case there was talking about. your first. orgasm you're always chasing after that. first best feeling that you ever had you. never you're never going to get there. but you're chasing it say that about. heroin too call it chasing the dragon. yes so so if you're one of those people. that had a really profound experience. erence with a Creature From Another. World yeah you can't really explain it.

to everybody else so you're looking for. something else to to make it seem real. because you start questioning everything. that you know you know and that's that's. how I was I my my first experience was. when I was a kid in England and me and a. friend were just throwing a ball back. and forward and you know in the old days. people used to wrap the sneakers around. the telephone lines so I just happened. to see that there was some sneakers up. there there and then all of a sudden I. look off in the distance and there's.

this UAP UFO that looks like an iron. that you would iron your clothes with. the whole bottom part was glowing the. top part was just dullish gray cuz you. know England gray skies whatever was the. shape the top like an iron as well yes. so like a hump to it it kind of had a. hump to it so I'm sitting there going. well what is that and he goes that's got. to be a helicopter cuz it's just. standing there and I was like but I. don't hear any noise you know and then. next thing you know we saw I believe it. was two F4 Jets coming cuz you could.

hear them those engines are loud and. this thing these two Jets come out and. this thing just goes and this is when I. was living in Nottingham England because. I'm I'm British by birth all right so. you know our parents are like ah too. much imagination da d d d d da and I. just kind of kept it in the back of my. head and then I saw things later and I. just kept questioning them and finally. was like I'm really going to have to. look into this so how old were you I was. about 10 10 so you were and you said you. were like 10 as well 10 yeah this is one.

of the things that I I keep hearing. about this idea that children and their. Innocents or they they don't have this. uh blockade in their head to keep them. from they don't think it's ridiculous to. think about aliens they're they're. they're open to it more we we we talked. about this and we're programmed as we. get mature we don't want to be fools. right so correct I believe and this is. just my belief not anybody's but I.

believe from the mid. 1950s all the way up to the mid. 1990s I think there was a deliberate. attempt by these entities to reach out. to school children and going to the. schools CU remember the ru. Zab that one crazy that's crazy CU all. those years later they all have the same. story they all drew the same thing. independently they pulled all way. adulthood they remember it yeah and then. there's the stuff in a Australia there's. the stuff in England there's the stuff. in France it's constant I think the.

Australia one's real similar too right. yeah I think his name was Preston. dennant he wrote a book I hope your. viewers read it or take a look at it. it's like the top 100 School sightings. and half of it is based on just the. sighting another part of it is based on. the actual thing landing and trying to. communicate with the kids and I sat. there just thinking were they doing that. to prepare us for now for when they do. come back so we're not so afraid the. kids are more. open-minded I'm not sure but you have to.

think about those things and go hm you. know aren't your whole thing things that. make you go you know so those were some. of the things that we just started. thinking about and going well what if. and then I I hate to play what if games. because my favorite what if is what if. worms had machine guns Birds wouldn't. mess with him um. but but but you have to play that game. sometime and just. draw it out and then see if it if you.

have a hypothesis that can start. repeating itself and then you go hey. there is something to this well the real. question is how long have entities been. visiting us and are the same entities. visiting us over and over again or like. the Zimbabwe incident is that like the. first time that species has ever been. here and did they just seek contact and. didn't know that they're dealing with. little children in a school they just. knew they were dealing with a group of. intelligent beings that they could. communicate with they probably don't. even have the concept of a school right.

right so if they they're Landing I mean. they probably understand basic culture. from for human beings but as they land. and and interact with people this might. be the first time they this species has. interacted with anybody we don't know I. mean we're we're dealing with hundreds. of billions of stars just in this galaxy. alone and personally from just my belief. in in it is that we have Millennia of. these sorts of encounters all through. manuscripts even George Washington's got. his story you know George Washington had. a story yeah he he met a green somebody.

before he actually went into a yo pull. that up. Jamie George Washington had a UFO. encounter well or an entity encounter an. entity he he just said that this was. George Washington also had lead. poisoning uh Shane Shane Gillis Shane. Gillis has the best bit about George. Washington I don't know if you ever seen. it it's [ __ ] hilarious about going to. the George Washington museum and seeing. George Washington teeth and George. Washington's teeth well no they were.

slave teeth first of all they they. knocked some of the teeth out of slaves. mouths and the other ones were from. horses oh my gosh and it was set in it. was all in lead so he had lead in his. mouth I always thought they so his joke. is all about like George Washington. being [ __ ] mad with lead. poyson [ __ ] killing everybody that's. why the front of the boat he was out of. his [ __ ] mind it's a great bit but. but the point is like George Washington. was being poisoned. by you know medical science at the time. they didn't know that lead was bad for.

you yeah it's is crazy he kept lead in. his mouth yeah. but I know but like makes you wonder. like what are we doing right now that. the future people are going to go these. [ __ ] idiots were doing that M um but. George Washington have you found his. account Jamie not. officially so something about I mean. it's from ancian Aliens about the. founding fathers good enough solid. reference Ancient. Aliens not Ancient Aliens it's. legit yeah get Georgio sucos to say it.

was wild hair so all those all those. things that happened to those kids we. don't know if it was I mean we're. hearing stories now that they can mess. with your mind we don't know if they're. pushing these kids forward mentally we. don't know if they're you know dumbing. them down because they know that these. kids are going to be the ones that are. going to make a difference because it. all depends on which they're all adults. now right are any of them like real. exceptional or any of them like phds or. something like I have not I have not.

gone to check any of that but one of the. things that coincides with that but I. kind of I think there. was exceptional people usually have to. do some exceptional things to to get. noticed and I think even if you're. exceptional you may not have fit the. right block to get to get noticed so. that someone would sit there and go hey. what's going on in your past whatever. and then there's a lot of these people. they just don't want talk about right. because of whatever the stigma but now.

that the stigma is being lifted you know. who knows maybe mus will come the stigma. is being lifted but people still live. with the haunting memory of the stigma. being a part of their life so I think. people that have had an experience a. long time ago even though the stigma is. lifted they're still reluctant to talk. about it it's like there's still people. that are in the closet like. homosexuality is like way less taboo. than it's ever been in in modern history. right m but yet there's still people. that have been in the closet for 20. years and then trapped and they just.

like [ __ ] and they can't be themselves. they can't get out I think for a lot of. people that have had these crazy. experiences they probably had some. moments where they told people friends. and they got mocked and people called. them Liars they felt like an idiot like. I'm just not telling anybody this. anymore yep which totally makes sense. yep y it's the same thing that's. happening on X and other platforms as. well as just people coming forward. trying to speak their truth mhm and they. get shut down by people that don't have. never been there they're just.

opinionating yeah but this that's just. toxic internet that's just the 100% I. agree with you it's just human. beings online they're just not good at. it we're not good this it's too new we. suck at it we're real shitty to each. other yeah you know it's and too many. people it's like they're mentally ill. and what I what I mean by mentally ill. is like if you're on Twitter 12 hours a. day and you you're constantly tweeting. before you go to bed you're mentally ill. you might not think you're mentally ill. just like when you're an alol you're. mentally ill if you're a gambling addict. you're mentally ill you're not well.

right you're [ __ ] trying to bet your. house on a football game you're out of. your [ __ ] mind you're addicted you're. mentally ill you're mentally ill if. you're on Twitter all day just arguing. with people it's it's just the nature of. the technology and the the very crude. way that people interact with each other. which is leads you to think that as. technology evolves and it gets to the. point where we're communicating. telepathy through telepathy. telepathically like supposedly they can. it sort of eliminates the need to even. know our language they can just come and.

and give us thoughts and express things. in a pure way without the need to like. decipher it through syntax and but. there's still the Mi the worry of. misinterpretation. because my family was pretty religious. and when I was growing up they're like. God is omnipotent God knows everything. God doesn't make mistakes and everything. and then I was like that's not exactly. true but if you think that God is. omnipotent and he's communicating with. everybody how is it that all the leadit. Ser a church have different views on how.

we're supposed to talk to God if God Is. Right is personal experience really yeah. and it's the same thing with the I think. the nhi is that like you're saying you'd. like to put a pattern to it yeah but. maybe there's not there's some you know. very random things that have happened in. other encounters but there's some of. them that do seem to be have a concerted. effort a prolonged effort from even. Millennia um because we do see like Old. Stone ancient you know monuments and.

monoliths that do have these depictions. of what look exactly like Grays yeah you. know the craziest one is it in Australia. the one that's on the wall where there's. all these dudes of the big eyes I forget. where there's a there's a couple of. places where that is there a couple of. those K paintings that are like that. yeah where are those from uh I think. there's some down in uh uh South America. I saved one I'll send it to you Jamie. because it just I saw the other day. online and it freaked me out so I saved. it on my phone I was like this is so. crazy just to look at yeah and there's.

one on the side of a like a hillside or. a cliff face yeah that was why why white. freaked you out I think that was ARA um. well because I just sent it to Jamie we. take a look at it right here Jamie you. could th run that through a Google. search you can find out where it is or. I'll do that while you put it up on the. screen um it freaks me out because these. people were starving these people were. like barely getting by right they have. stone tools and they took the time to. draw these things with these like weird.

helmets on and these big black eyes. which is very similar to so many. different encounters that people have. they they all describe a very similar. thing a big head with giant black eyesh. so so those are the typical grads but I. heard in South America there were people. that they showed that picture to and. they called them the ant people because. they said they came from underground. yo well that's that's the other question.

like we're just sort of assuming that. these things are definitely from another. planet that they're not here and they. haven't been here all along is that thei. and the na Navajo so yeah this these are. Aboriginal drawings or Aboriginal. paintings yes yes so this is from. Australia which is just Australia wild. and you all over the world and real. similar all over the world you got them. in Ireland Europe you got them in the. United States get Central Central. America the vast majority of those.

children that saw UAP uh that came down. near their school if there was an entity. that was there it was usually the. typical grayl looking ones that were. there well the ones that they saw in. Virginia Brazil are kind of similar but. they seem like a darker color like it. was almost like a purple right yeah it. was reddish purple or something like. that yeah but they did have the black. eyes and the large heads and they had. horns though there was horns there was a. very specific thing that they said the. pictures that we're seeing for vinia. this one had red eyes and the reason why.

I'm bringing that up is because a friend. of mine contacted me mutual friend that. we talked about oh okay yeah he talked. he uh he was talking about something. known as the do demon and it's over by. do do Delaware MH and there was supposed. to be an incident where a a UAP came. down and there was a creature and it. looked a lot like the Venia creature. with the red eyes and whatever so he was. asking that's what the Virginia things. look oh that's the do demon that's the. do yeah that looks like a shoe Bill Bird.

that crazy bird yeah but he said it had. bright red eyes and oh fun Imagine That. imagine running into that thing in the. night right so the question was never. sleep again yeah all I know is I like I. told Travis it does look a lot like the. Virginia one though yeah that is go back. to that last drawing you drew. Jamie or you pull up pulled up rather. now if you can will you pull up the. image of the Virginia drawing cuz they. had an artist who talked to the little. girls that saw that and those women and.

you know the the really that look at it. come on man that looks exactly the same. yeah and there's those bumps on the head. though but yeah you can see that maybe. that's exactly the same [ __ ] thing. man right like literally exactly yep so. I I told I told Travis If you ever see. if you ever get me to go to come to. Skinwalker Ranch I said know that I've. got a plan and he was like what are you. talking about I said I will not be the. slowest run R okay however I will not be. the fastest runner because I don't.

because I don't know what's really going. on there I don't want to run from one. thing into another so I'm going to make. sure I have an escape plan I went to. Skinwalker Ranch oh you did wow how did. that go well we I was doing it for a. television show and uh we interviewed a. bunch of people that live there and uh. one guy there's a lot of there was a lot. of people that they wanted to be. interviewed then when we got there they. chickened out it seemed like there might. be some drug use going on in the. surrounding areas um a few people seem. like a little on tilt but I think that's.

a good part of uh America I think. there's a lot of people you could find. some packets of people in America that. are just doing drugs uh so I wouldn't. say that that was what it was but this. one guy that I talked to didn't seem. like that at all he seemed very. respectable I don't remember what he did. um but he was a very smart guy Blue. Collar guy and uh lived in this uh very. modest house and he had this story of. this thing um that flew into uh his yard. and through his house and he said it was.

a small orb and he said it seemed to be. communicating with them and wow this guy. didn't have any other [ __ ] stories. he didn't have any claims just this one. experience that he said was beautiful he. said it was incredible that this thing. seemed like it was alive it seemed like. it was communicating with him and it. went right through the walls and then. and it went through the wall again and. disappeared I've had a similar case so. every March I go to side Oregon cuz they. have a paranormal conference and I I'm. not into the Paranormal stuff but my.

friends are so I want to listen and I. want to learn cuz because this is me get. trying to get over my fear of going in. there you have a fear of paranormal or a. fear of being around the people that. believe in paranormal no the Paranormal. because of certain things that I've. heard from when I was a kid you know and. you have to overcome some of those. childhood fears and stuff like that okay. so when I was there I was uh giving us. talking about my app and all this other. stuff and these two Asian ladies were. watching me walk on the stage and I was. like why are they looking at me like. that I was like is my flies down or.

something what did I do you know and as. soon as I stepped off the stage and said. Mr Mr Logan what are they what are they. and I was like what do you mean she. pulls out on her phone the most. beautiful pristine picture of an orb. sitting in a doorway and I'm like what. happened there and she said it was my. birthday and she said all my family was. there and she said but got tired so I. was laying down and she said I heard. like this electrical discharge going on.

and she said it came right through her. wall started floating across her room. she said it got to her doorway she. screamed and all her family came and the. the son I guess it was took the picture. of the orb and I was so amazed by her. story I I even forgot to ask her to give. me a copy of the picture how long ago. was this this was like two years ago. weird so fairly modern phone yeah it was. a it was an iPhone phone um she was um. they were from Northern California and. they drove up to this to this thing and.

I'm just like so what happened she said. she said it actually sat there and did. this like a heartbeat getting bigger and. smaller who and then she said it just. kind of went back out the way it came in. and she goes what are they you you you. were on the task force don't you know. about these things and I was like whoa. you know we're not omnipotent you know. we're trying to learn just like you are. and and and every year I've been back.

there twice now and I every year I go. hey if those two AG ladies are in here. can we talk and they haven't shown back. up but but it sounded just like your. story of what happened to this other. yeah he was the only guy that was. compelling there was a bunch of other. people that had goofy stories of. bulletproof wolves that appeared out of. the Mist and like okay they just seemed. like some people just wanted to be on TV. which is normal right show up cameras. people tell stories and this is another. show that I worked on once uh was called. game show in my head and this is pretty.

funny we uh told people so there was a. the game show was we would take a. contestant the contestant knew that they. were going to pull pranks on people but. they didn't know what the prank was. going to be and so we had a piece in. their ear and we would put them out in. the public and my thing was that I had. to tell them that they are um a news. reporter and that someone had just seen. seen a UFO and had an encounter with an. alien uh right there in Hollywood but.

the person who was the witness took off. would you be willing to go on camera and. say it was you and everybody said yes. they all did and people had crazy. stories they talked about being abducted. and being on the ship and experience and. they were communicating with me they. just fully made up. stories and that was an eyeopener for me. I was like wow you put a camera on. people they just are so hyped to be on.

TV they just [ __ ] you yeah they they. can that was cuz the guy the guy who was. in on it was shocked too cuz he was like. I can't believe that these people just. started [ __ ] lying yeah when you're. getting Eng grandis like that that's. where you kind of have people that do. that just to Eng grandizer enlarge. themselves sure everybody wants to. especially when you put a camera on. people but then you get with in with. other people like the whistleblowers I. know they've pretty much given up. everything like me you know well this. guy was not interested in you know much. attention he just wanted to tell us his. story and he was a regular dude like we.

talked about all kinds of stuff he had a. big trout on his wall it was he he had a. a trout like when they make trophies out. of fish they don't really make trophies. anymore they now what they do is they. take a photo and the measurements and. then they make like a plastic version of. that fish that looks exactly like it. that's how they do it but this guy had. like a real trophy fish that he had. Mount I'm like they don't even do that. anymore so I started asking him. questions and game show my head yeah. that's it um but a long time ago but the. point is this guy was a sincere dude he.

was telling me how he caught the F you. know when I'm asking people questions. about stuff I want to know how you think. you know when I'm talking to some guy. that tells me had an encounter with an. orb I want to hear what you talk about. like how do you talk about you at work. how do you talk about you with your kids. how do you how do you treat your dog you. know how do you you know what I'm saying. like I'm trying to like get a gauge of. this guy he seems super sincere just a. regular good guy very ComEd dating like. very friendly you would have made a good. analyst maybe cuz cuz the the thing that.

we're trying to do is the all Source. analyst is to look at all aspects of. what happened and sometimes people just. go in there well I mean the the thing. that really upsets me is when I was part. of the task force was someone just. handing me a picture and just going so. what is it oh right right no context no. nothing you're just like uh okay be fake. I don't know what the [ __ ] that is let. me put it through the image analyzer you. know I don't know if you've had any. mental issues or you know I mean someone. showed me something that it was a button.

on a glass and at first I was like that. looks really intriguing but there was. something about it that was just it. wasn't quite right and I'm like I think. this is fake but I don't know why and. then finally the guy said you know but. on of glass you know I was like that's. the thing that do you know that feel. have you ever seen photos of miniature. cars yes there's autistic kid that does. that yester yeah but there's but the.

what I was getting at there's something. wrong with the car that even in a photo. you know it's not a real car yes you. know it's a miniature car your brain is. very good at that yeah it's re that's a. real weird one because it doesn't make. sense like there's a just there's a. perception you look at it like oh that's. a miniature car that's a fake that's. like a Hot Wheel because they're really. good now like if you pull up a photo of. like a um. uh a miniature Mustang yeah there's. there's an autistic kid out there that.

that's all he does that's all he does he. gets miniature cars and puts them in a. real background but I've seen that yeah. I've seen that yeah so these are. Miniatures those are fake okay well that. background that's really good kind. that's really good that's a lot better. than normal yeah but you can see the. tires are not resting you know flat like. there's weight to the car oh that's a. good point that's a good point see those. are the things in an as an analyst you. look at in the image it's just you're. looking at you know uh things like that. yeah that's the kid 13-year-old kid okay.

so he's really good at it cuz these. these look other than what you said Jay. that you don't see the weight of the. tires um but like okay that one right. there that Nissan click on that one the. blue one yeah that's a Nissan GTR I'm. looking at that I'm like that's a fake. car I don't know why yeah that looks. like a model but why does it look like a. model it's got to be that driver's. window it's the decals to me I but every. everything looks pretty [ __ ] good yes. well yeah it looks good but there's just. little details that your mind is picking.

up on going uh it's not quite right. right I mean there's something about it. right what is that something about it. this this kind of falls into the area. too of um the when you do see a UAP. something about it is what's telling you. that it's a UAP but you're also looking. in your in your mind's you know memory. bank to say this is fake this can't be. real because it's not doing X it's not. doing whatever and then sometimes you. end up. going it's it's just not real I'm.

throwing it out of my head and then all. of a sudden someone either tells you. something MH that makes you go back and. go oh my God that thing did that so. maybe it was real or you see something. about it something weird about it that. just triggers you and you're like oh OMG. and now your your whole thing your whole. view on the whole universe is changing. because you're like I did that's one of. the L tests give people when they you. know cuz I have a lot of people that ask. me can you vet this guy he says he's had.

an encounter and then I kind of go. through the experience cuz you know the. one that I had in the desert there was a. telepathic kind of a thing that happened. during that conversation I had with that. gentleman in the desert and there's. parts of that that people who've only. really experienced it they actually know. about um like the residual data that or. information that's left behind in your. own mind uh cuz you're sharing a mind. space and things like this and there's. certain things that when I ask questions. of people that you know sometimes I can. tell right then and there you weren't.

there you know that's not experience but. the people that do describe it and I. know that they're telling the truth. there's certain characteristics about. that communication type that you only. get when you've been talking no kidding. t telepathically with right well. especially you as a person who's had an. experience correct you you have. something to gauge to there's certain. things like in your field like if you. into a dude at the airport that was a. faker you know there's a lot of guys. have like put on like fake military.

outfits and pretend they're and then. they get questioned by real Bor and it's. weird it is but but people are weird. people will make up crazy stories so. like when you're dealing with the. craziest of crazy stories which is UFOs. have been in contact with me I'm special. they chose me to talk to me I don't feel. special at all I was accidental well. that's probably because it was a real. story so when he first showed up I was. one of the first people to get his he he. knows my whole history man when he first. showed up uh first thing I I I I read.

through everything I was. like H I'm gonna have to run a. background check on this guy right he. might be C right and then I was like so. I did the basics and then I I called up. David grush and I was like boy do I have. a doozy for. you I I can't do anything with this guy. because I I I there's not enough here. for me to do a thorough back background. check but boy you got to listen to what. this guy has to say and from there David.

took it on and I was like he came back. to me and goes well this guy looks to be. the real deal and I was like holy crap. so we we kind of teased that then so. let's let's get to your experience why. don't you tell everybody what. happened um just doing my job at Nellis. we had two things we did we did the. telephone monitoring like where NIS it's. in Nevada so uh working at Air Force. base for the Deb 3 uh and that's where. the program they have a shop that uh of.

four guys I was one of them that would. go out and monitor for the. program so anyway um the other side of. my job was also doing monitoring for. everybody else that wasn't in the. program and when you say monitoring what. do you mean by that you're actually. plugging into like just like you heard. tapping telephones all the all the ways. we T you know all the Telecommunications. we made sure that we listen to radios we. listen to radio waves all that and we. gather it all in and what we're tasked.

to do is you know say a commander at. Wright Patterson you know we went to do. it's always a two-e mission mostly. unless it's part of an operation like. Desert Storm and you stay for a month or. two and then you change out teams but. two weeks is is the St the standard so. we go two weeks to WR Patterson We. Gather all the information we can on all. the Telecommunications means and we also. have an OSI team that's trying try to. sneak in the doors and get into the. facilities they shouldn't be at uh just. to test the security and that's all.

we're there for and at the end of the. day on the last Friday we go in and we. talk to the staff and then about 90 days. later we put in a a final report and. give that again back to the staff um and. that's kind of how we rolled so. um we're going up range for those kind. of things uh we don't do the telephone. monitoring uh when we go up range to the. test test range at. Nellis that was what we called uh red. forcing and what our job was there is we. were also trained to do combat Ops.

against our own Pilots so that we could. help them survive in a in a in a wartime. environment and that was done at the top. of Black Mountain and that we call that. a there was a little Schoolhouse there. and then if you walk up another few. yards there's uh really those big golf. ball looking Radars or satellite dishes. were up at the very top but anyway. that's where we were heading this one. day so we all packed up uh we're in. batty Nevada which is the burrow in I. can tell you that's where we always hold.

up at and we take off from there every. morning to go do the am and the PM push. that's what you call it when the war is. on you call it the push so we had one in. the morning called am push one in the. afternoon PM push so we were all heading. up for the am push in a convoy there's. three vehicles probably about three to. four people per vehicle um I'm in the. lead vehicle with the ranking guy he's. he's driving and I'm right behind him. and then there's another gentleman in. the passenger seat across from the. driver and then there's a young lady.

next to me and we're all going up and uh. the ranking guy had been there the week. before and he had seen the Craft um Fly. by because that that was and that one's. out there on the internet you can pull. down the video there's a report that. goes along with it that show there's a. video that we can watch right now right. now yeah what would he search search for. um let me think. test range UFO.

1994 who film this this was filmed by. The Operators on the Range because. you're we're putting these pilots in a. risky situation by playing war with them. but we're training them so if there is. any kind of a mishap or a pilot or plane. goes down everything needs to be. recorded So they have this is it right. here yes so this is being taken this. video is being taken by one of these. cameras that's up up on the Range and. along the bottom you see that this uh is.

also trying to lock on to the craft so. it can you know follow it as it goes in. and out because this is the kind of way. that you want to track if there's a. craft that is having problems and M this. is moving very erratically right so this. is what my the ranking guy saw can I. pause you for a second this tracking is. this manual or is this like some sort. automated system it's an automated. system so the automated system is having. a hard time locking on locking on it. yeah if it locks on you'll see a big. spike and that means that it finally. locks on right now it's trying to but.

something is stopping it from locking on. and they think it was the craft and it's. moving like crazy side to side all over. actually recording that goes with it. where you got you hear the guys going. hey does anybody know what this is what. what's going on here can we hear that. [Music].

I don't. [Applause]. know okay that the sound is terrible. yeah they need better mics. honestly working up there I'm sure but. but he's saying what is that I don't. know we're having a hard time locking on. to it right right this is the video. operator so this the following week. after this happens this video is taken. uh the ranking guy who had been there.

the week before and saw this thing. flying he takes us in this when you you. go on the Range through this one gate. here it goes up a little ways and then. there's a Conlin area it's got a very. small place where you can change your. tires get gas uh you know just m you. know minor maintenance to get your butt. home if you have a car that's busted and. then in the back of that kin area. there's two Huts that look like campers. really glorified campers so the video. operators are in the one that's off to.

the uh the north east of the the. contonment in the very corner of it and. the ranking guy just says we all have to. go in here we're going to go talk to the. video operators we have to do this and. uh and this was because the week prior. everybody came back to Garrison or back. to our unit um and they had seen this. thing and they were all talking about. this UFO so we go in there and there's. the video operator he has us all write. our names down whether we were there and. saw it the first week or not then he.

makes us all sit down and watch that. video and he says do you know what this. is and we're like. no and then he just said okay thank you. and then we as after everybody that was. there saw it and had wrote their name. down we were allowed to leave and that. was all that was required and um so I. was like what was that all about but. then as I'm exiting this lady that had. been sitting against the wall on the far. part of the uh this little Hut that we. were in and uh she like grabs my arm and.

she just says there's somebody on the. Range don't talk to him and she was. really really freaked out and I'm like. thanks strange freaky lady I'm got it. and I'm like whatever so I we all hop. out we get in the vehicles and then. start taking off towards Quartz Mountain. because right at that conom area there's. a hard right there's a hard right that. goes off to Quartz Mountain and um about. a mile half a mile to a mile down that. road it's all dirt road up by the way um.

there's this guy looks like he's wearing. a uniform like we are he got battle. dress uniform on um so he's he's sees us. and he starts to look like he's running. and he's he's got this really weird run. like his arms are kind of flailing. behind him it's like he was running. against the hurricane wind and it was. like he was going to fall over at any. time and I was like yeah it's a bit. windy today but ain't that bad so it. looked really strange and then I began. to notice his skin tone would looked. like he might be hypothermic and I'm. thinking oh crap this dude's been out. here it's freaking freezing out here cuz.

it was a very cold day and the wind was. blowing it was you know those cold days. where it didn't matter how many layers. you had on and um so as we're getting. closer I'm talking to the the ranking. guy hey we need to slow it down so uh. anyway uh I'm thinking this guy's. probably in big trouble I need to pull. off my jacket I need to give him. something to get warm real quick so I'm. starting to do that and we're. approaching and by the time we I get my. jacket most of the way off uh he's right. there uh at the you know the corner of.

the the front of the car and I so so he. looks pale is that what you're saying he. look like an albino with a very bluish. kind of undertone if you can imagine you. know so you you're assuming like a you. you're immediately associating that with. like he's freezing yeah because that's. that's all I could equate it to and then. um as I'm starting to open my door to. try to you know administer Aid to this. guy um the dude in the front passenger. seat screams he's got no. ears and I thought that was pretty rude.

because I was like the guys in trouble. does he have a hat on does he he's got a. hat on and he's got bdus that look. absolutely clean pristine and when. you're up range you do not wear your. your cleanest uniform you're in a dirty. environment you wear your scuffed up. boots you don't take them with you so. he's got a clean battle dress uniform. United States mil very out of place yeah. it looks very out of place when I I. finally do that but anyway I step out. onto the roadway and this guy screams. that he's got no ears and I just. thinking it's really rude and then it. closed the door and I look up and he's.

got no freaking ears and his eyes are. twice as big and I just I'm like yeah. what the hell did I just walk into this. guy's not from around here how far away. from him are you um probably from me to. uh just a few feet yeah just a few just. talking distance okay and um I'm. starting to freak out but then he starts. to talk to me and it's not my language. but it's coming to the the understanding. is like coming into my mind about every. word he's saying cuz uh so he's actually. saying words he's say saying words but.

it doesn't sound like anything I've. heard before but you're understanding. what he's saying but I'm understanding. so I know there's a telepathic thing. going on here and it calms me down at. the same time because I'm having to. respond to him and he's like hello I'm. having trouble with my craft I need some. repair material do you know where I. could find some trenum and this is what. he's talking to me about and I'm like. you mean titanium cuz I didn't know. anything about trenum at the time uh but. titanium he's like no it's not it um and.

I I'm like well at this point in my. career I had just left the program so I. knew where Dreamland was and I pointed. to the mountain range cuz you can see. for for days in the desert but I pointed. towards the mountain range and I said uh. dreamlands just over there and and this. wave of emotion hit me like disgust like. I am not going to talk to those. barbarians and. murderers you know wow so he was saying. that to you like his reaction to going.

to the military base exactly yeah he did. not like it he said I am not going to. talk to those people um and then I was. like well shoot and it was barbarians. and murders he he literally that was. what he called them yes and mentally. that's what it was but the emotion. trinitium is this a real thing well. that's what I've had a lot of friends. there's analysts also that were on the. the top secret. uh Network that were trying to help me. understand what material we're throwing. everything at him we're like is it this.

is it this and he's like and finally. that's the one when they hit trinitium I. was like that's what it was um that's. what he said and what is trinitium it's. a type of uh well can he bring it up on. the yeah sure yeah because should pop up. on Wikipedia pretty quick but um it has. some properties that probably work are. you saying trinitium yeah tritium is uh. that's the stuff that's in Loom like in. your watch when your watch glows that's. uh or you know they they make those. where they it's they're basically.

radioactive isotopes that stay lit so. like if you get like um Marathon watch. Marathon makes military watches and the. the it doesn't need like this car this. watch you need the light and light. charges the loom and then when it's dark. out you could read the hands for like a. few hours it's the thing that they used. to put on the end of the guns right. exactly they still do a lot like Sig has. them look Trum also put. it's I did that that's not giving me. much so trinum chunky glow in the dark.

glitter is that these are all like these. are game web sites oh I see know so. tritium then I may be mispronouncing but. tritium is that's that radioactive. isotope that's the stuff that emits. light yep it so emits a weak form of. radiation yes rare radioactive isotope. of hydrogen with a halflife of 12.3. years mhm okay so this is what he's. asking me for so he's asking you for. that stuff tridium yep and I'm like I. don't know where to get oh look at that.

it's used in boosted fision weapons and. thermonuclear weapons oh. great that sounds. pretty I wonder what the [ __ ] it's doing. on your wrist this is what we this is. what the best image that we have of what. he could have looked like oh. boy can you send that to Jamie yeah I I. don't know Jamie's number but uh we'll. find a way to is that an iPhone or anro. yeah is that if I had my phone I would. but out there I think yeah air drop it. to Jamie do you know how to do that.

there how dare you not know how to do. that and there's a thre diim works with. UFOs you better know how to do that well. there's a three-dimensional image of The. Craft as well that is really spoton from. what I saw that day yeah um because not. only did I see this guy running towards. us and talking to him but off the. shoulder of the on the north side of the. the roadway that's where the craft was. just resting on the the desert floor and. that's I got a really good look at it at. that point and uh it this guy did a 3D. rendering of the description and it's.

like it's spoton as I've ever seen it's. almost perfect so he asks you for. tridium you tell him dream this is what. it looked like this is what the guy. looked like pretty close to it yo the. nose the nose was a little bit rounder. on the end but uh that was a really good. rendition but yeah his his eyes just his. eyes almost came out to he on the temple. wow and that would freak me out it it. freaked me out I mean honestly I'm not.

an easy guy to get you know to get. freaked out but that really put that. like you're you just saw an alligator. pop up out of the water kind of thing. right so when you tell him go to. dreamland it says I'm not going to go. where those murderers and barbarians are. and then what happens um and he said uh. no so I I was like well where else can I. possibly Point him to cuz I'm like I. don't know any metal orges or whatever. so I'm I'm thinking to him to me to. myself and and I related to him I said. well I'm taking College CL classes down.

in the you know in the city of Vegas you. know Las Vegas uh at the community. college but I have a a geophysical uh. Professor that I'm I'm you know taking a. class from maybe he has a metallurgist. friend and he's like so you're thinking. at this time though it's a metal I am. yes right cuz you're thinking it's some. kind of like titanium some some type of. right right and there's also when he. this is the 3D image of what the craft. look that is almost as spot on as I've. ever seen that is about it right there.

that's almost exactly what I saw resting. on the desert. floor and so you trying to find. different people that you can connect. this being to yeah and what is it saying. to you while you're he he he thought. that that was a good idea I think or he. was like H May made him he was he had. that that kind of and he wanted to take. action so he just he doesn't really even. say goodbye he just kind of turns and. off he goes back to his craft and I'm. thinking well okay and uh I get back in. the car um and sometime during that.

conversation with this entity I. remembered looking over at my friends in. the car and they had the weirdest look. on their face like they're all zonked. out um totally zombiie um like they. couldn't even they were just drooling on. themselves were were they just because. they were flabbergasted or was it. because something was going on well I. figured out that maybe he W it was done. by this entity because uh none of them. seem to even remember the incident only. a few people seems to remember that we.

stopped that we had talked to somebody. on the roadway but it was mainly the. people that were in the back of the the. Convoy so they didn't see it up close. like you did like we did the people how. far away would they be uh they'd. probably be a good uh two car lengths. behind us that's still enough to detect. whether or not someone looks blue though. right correct and that's probably what. they saw but you know me I'm kind of. wide and I'm big I was very muscular. back then and in front of this thing so. they'd have a difficult time because. this guy stood about a good half foot. shorter than me and so they probably.

could see his arms from time to time. maybe KS a glimpse of his face or. something um so they probably didn't get. a very good view because you if you're. looking at me I'm standing right next to. my door mhm and they're behind me kind. of almost off obfuscated by just the. angle that they're looking at him so it. could all the windows are tinted in. those Vehicles mhm and they can't just. see through the windows right to. whatever on the and the people that were. in the car with you you feel like. something happened to them that like. froze them they did look like that yeah.

like you said just a look of just utter. like you know like the guy who said it. has no he has no ears does that guy have. a recollection that guy they can't find. they can't find him no I've I've tried I. was asked by the U task force David. grush to reach out to these folks the. people in the car I got a hold of one. got a hold of him on LinkedIn and we. started talking and you know just hey. how's the wife how's the kids that kind. of stuff how about that UFO we met and. as soon as I did that the guy just.

disappears and ghosts me and I can't I. don't know what happened but he was the. ranking guy in the car uh the guy that. was the passenger nobody can seem to. find him because they did Tred to verify. the people in the car and I gave the. names and the young lady uh that was off. to my right I don't know if they. contacted her but I've heard from other. people that were part of this background. investigation about my story they found. two people that verified my story and I. don't know who they are they've been.

told to keep their mouths shut by. somebody and and I'm kind of pissed. about that but um I think James Fox. knows who they are and and knows exactly. who told him to shut up as well but um. what was that incident where James Fox. and you were on a show what's that uh. well I just I shouldn't have said that. James Fox knows the guy who told him to. shut up cuz I I'm not sure if that's you. think you might know so this. thing can does it tell you why it needs.

the tridium it just says it needs it to. fix its craft yeah well along with that. this is the other part that was. telepathic when he mentions this metal. and the part that is but it's not metal. right do we think it's not metal or you. think maybe it's a metal that we don't. have I I think it's something or an. alloy that we don't particularly make a. lot of and or just can't make but when. he spoke of about this the telepathic. image was almost like he opened a Sears. catalog in my head that had all the. specs for this part that he was needing.

fixed and it was the strangest thing it. like described some of the Nano. channeling of electrical and. electromagnetic stuff that was flowing. through it that caused these. toroidal uh energies to to emanate on. both sides of this piece of of of the. equipment so you because it was. describing it to you you all of a sudden. had access to all this information. it was like me if you and I were. telepathic and we were talking about a. science project and he just uploaded all.

the information yeah and I could just. give you all that instead of talking it. out that's what he did did you then try. to talk to someone and relay that. information and like download it I've. had well once because in the in the AR. in in the uh The Forum we have. scientists and stuff like that that yes. were very interested to get me in a room. and talk to me about this I had people. from from uh DARPA wanting to talk to me. people from people from threats uh. departments all over the place that.

wanted to know more um and even when I. talked to Jack surot and uh Gary Nolan. about this stuff um I was telling them. things before they even opened their. mouth about like when I talked to Gary. Nolan I just said you got that part and. you know that it has that that. nanosized uh Atomic level layering that. can't be reproduced unless you actually. physically you're putting these atoms. one at a time next to each other and. he's like yeah yeah that's it you know.

so I'm telling him this and he already. knew but I that was the first thing and. so that's why I knew that what I'd been. given in my head he was giving me that. that high sign that yes that's exactly. what I analyzed is that piece of of. material I had it sounds just like what. this guy described to you and gave to. you telepathically that there's these. really minute little things that create. toal Force. they're they're doing things to at a. very small level and then when I talked. to Jack sarfati later and he's got all.

these Fantastical physics equations. about how things work and I'm looking. through his documents and no I can't do. the math but I can understand what he's. doing with it and I just FL out ask him. I said so the smaller you get because. there's always that resistance level. when it comes to you know putting in. energy energy and then losing it be dude. you know atrophy and all these other or. is that the right word for It Anyway the. the whole thing was just that when you.

get smaller it actually reverses itself. is that now you get even more power out. of things if you have a small enough. energy source that works at a very it's. kind of like miniaturizing a. fusion uh device of some kind and so did. you talk to someone from DARPA did you. you said these people wanted to talk to. you I emailed back and forth I gave them. what information I could but they didn't. want to interview you they wanted just. email um at the time that's the way it. went yeah I've had a couple of meetings. though with a different places um that I.

can't discuss but they they did talk to. me yes and is that information still in. your head yeah so does it seem like a. memory or it what does it seem like in. your head to me it's like a very. clear like this. is it's it's just like a picture that. never goes away. could you draw that picture if someone. gave you a pad and a p I've already done. it yeah yeah um is that available online. can someone see that um I I don't know.

if I pulled that down off the top secret. Network um but I can reproduce it I all. I did was just recreate it in like a a. PowerPoint you know draw thing but uh. but does it remain in your head like. normal memory like you know like you. learn certain things in school stay in. your head the telepathy was it felt. absolutely normal I mean there was no. headache there's no dizziness no buzzing. is is the memory the same as a regular. memory or a clear no I remember it as. just being part of the conversation just.

like a normal conversation yes that's. what it feels like but it just somehow. or another in that conversation he put. this information in your head exactly. and then it just leaves and then he. leaves when he he realizes that you know. maybe there's some other venues maybe. you know me mentioning that there might. be a middle org just on staff somewhere. uh that maybe that prompted him to think. oh yeah maybe I should go research this. with that and then maybe I'll find. somebody that I could talk to um. something like that may have happened.

you get a sense of where this thing was. from yeah there was a star map from that. day but it also uh relates to the lunch. hour after we started going back up to. Black Mountain I had a very strong. compunction to go eat my lunch outside. even though it was deathly cold and uh I. don't know what prompted me to do that. again maybe he was giving me a. telepathic message but after I walked. about 150 ft down the road the dirt road. from the top of M Black Mountain I don't. remember what happened after that all I. have are two images that keep on.

flashing back I remember seeing the. schoolhouse from about 150 ft above or. 200 ft above the schoolhouse I remember. looking at the rooftop and the other. only other memory is I've got this star. map in my head and David grush made me. reproduce that on a on a PowerPoint. slide and um I I handed that into to him. because I have no idea what the what it. was but he like do you understand what. what this is and I was like no I have no. idea he's like do you know what star. constellations are I said I know what.

the Big Dipper is that's about it and. he's like this is the constellation Leo. and I'm like oh I didn't know that and. uh so he's like yeah this is a really. close rendition of that and I'm like. well that's kind of cool that I could. reproduce it just out of my head and um. and not even know what the heck it was. uh but I did know it was a star system. and for some reason you just felt comp. compelled to draw this particular star. system well just after uh David Crush. asked me to yes and was there a specific.

planet in that star system yeah the red. the red star that's kind of like you. know on the there's a part of the Leo. system that has like this like very. sharp turn into it I guess it's like a. it looks like a nose or or part of a. triangle and at the the tip of that is. the red star and it's reticuli I think. um but anyway that that one seemed to. say about alien Zeta reticuli yeah and. then uh the strangest thing about this. this is what I'm talking about when it.

comes to telepathy when you're sharing. that mind space there's some residue. memory there because uh Dave kept. pressing me on it and he. said can you tell me about the red star. and at first I'm like well no no I was. like and all of a sudden some memory. came back and I was like holy crap yeah. that's where he's from that's that's his. home star uh system and he came from. there that's his home and and then we. just went on from there and he said did. you know that they've actually just now.

discovered a few years ago that the. there's exoplanets around that star and. I was like no I had no idea so uh all. these things started coming together at. that point and um that's when they. started saying okay well we're going to. do some more vetting and within about a. month or so they were bringing me to. Congress and everything else happened. after that. now what is the rest of your life like. after that day um so you have life. before you experience this creature and.

then now you know that this is a thing. it's a thing yep and I'm it changed me. um how do you explain this if you can. imagine the entire human race you and me. I you don't have to talk to me but you. can feel my presence you can feel who I. am my personality and share in all of. that and then Imagine That by. millions the entire planet you can.

actually commune with them it brings. with that a level of Civility in in the. control of your thoughts because right. now we don't read each other's minds so. our minds are like oh look at that girl. oh look at that you know the sports over. here there's a football game on we're so. distracted but this guy's when I was. engaged with him telepathically it was. like. civility to the maximum it was like very. courteous he waited for me to say he.

he'd talk and it was like just like we. do we have certain etiquette but on top. of that there was this part of him that. he left me with that was part of the. community of the Consciousness that he. is able to feel all the time and that. has never left me is that there's a. community of Consciousness out there. that when they've been living for so. many years with this sort of ability it. has changed them for the better because.

their minds are under control finally. their emotions aren't running them like. you were talking about addictions and. things like this they don't run them. their lives like that anymore because of. it and if you do they end up in on. criminal list somewhere I would imagine. um but there was such an ever since then. that's that feeling of peacefulness and. civility is what I've strived for never. has left me never has left me. wow. um it stays with you but what like what.

is your experience trying to relay these. thoughts in this experience that had to. be weird in a sense that like it's very. hard to believe I mean I believe you but. it's very it's it's one of those things. where you know you what you talk to an. alien like that's most people are going. to think you're ridiculous well yeah and. honestly that's why I need people to. back me up on it because this is the. thing that we're we're trying to do with. the whistleblowers we all kind of know. each other just like low would tell you. or not low but uh just like Logan would.

tell you just that uh I call him low for. short sometimes it's a slip up. understandable anyway so anyway we we. get to talking about stuff but we don't. know what's going on daily with each. other it's like I've brought. whistleblowers forward to Congress since. I went forward but I don't know their. lives I don't talk to them every day. like I do some of them and uh it's a. strange thing but the more we seem to be. coming out now that we've got these few. weeks now where we've got folks like you. know Jake Barber and and folks like that. coming forward now I'm starting to piece.

things together in my mind because now. I'm hearing his side of the story. because I didn't want to be part of the. retrievals well guess what he was on it. and he's telling that part and I'm like. oh no wonder they did that to me you oh. that's that makes sense you know and now. I'm making those conclusions now because. of what he. said and but then if you try to put us. all in a room we're all deathly scared. that you know some jerk is going to come. on out of the Department of Defense and. shoot us all or or or do a drone strike. on us and kill us all and just have done.

with it and they can get on with their. lives again so you've got this problem. here with us coming forward in a group. you're you're really worried that much. that someone would try to take you out. they've already messed with my clearance. they've already shown me that they can. break into my car on the NSA. campus they're letting me know they they. were trying to intimidate me because. they don't want you talking about this. exactly but do you know why they don't. want you talking about this yeah why. it's because they know that what they.

have done that there are some parts of. it that were really bad decisions in the. long run and they don't want anybody to. crack open any part of this because they. know it's going to cause questions to to. happen and they're going to get put on. the spot okay so you finally are coming. clean on the fact that we've got nhi. here but we've got other whistleblowers. that had these concerns that's what. they're going to have to. face and when you say bad decisions like. what do you mean by bad decisions well. think about it if Roswell did happen. what they do they chop up some you.

know think about it you'd have etiquette. if it was a Russian craft that fell you. you'd catalog every part of that crash. site and you'd repatriate the Patriot uh. the uh the dead bodies to where they. came from we give them back to the. Russians in honor and here we are we've. got a civilization just crashed there in. Roswell and look what kind of CP we did. to them and we took all their stuff like. it was some kind of a treasure Trove. that and now we own it hell no you're.

talking about a craft that was. manufactured on another part of the. Galaxy or something that they can't. explain nobody knows where it came. from and here they are treating these. people like they're they're just some. kind of a lab experiment let's chop them. up a little more you know and then you. know if they ever got approached by that. the the people that came to look for. them afterwards I wouldn't want to be. the person that answered them once sorry. we chopped up your buddy we had an. interesting talk about this um there's a. video online where it shows like some.

gray kind of strung up and they're. asking him questions and whatever and I. as I was asking him I. said if you were an nhi and you saw that. and this this is what the humans are. broadcasting sorry okay and and and this. is what the humans are broadcasting I. said I'd be like yo they they got Jimmy. look what they're doing at Jimmy right. it's on we're going to Earth you know. we're going to go get Jimmy back that. video of the alien that's fake right the.

V video of with I truly believe it is. fake because like we've look so fake. everybody says look like a puppet they. talk yeah they talk telepathically and. here he is oh here's this voice coming. out and whatever yeah I'm yeah it's it's. but we're we've always assumed that they. they've got the same type of some type. of emotions A Lot Like Us us but maybe. they're much more controlled much more. refined you know kind of like how we can. not that I'm saying kind of like us now.

versus US 50,000 years ago yeah well. honestly when I had the telepathic. experience it was very difficult for me. to distinguish what emotions and and. feelings were coming from me as opposed. to him it was very obvious when he felt. disgusted about going to ask about. things because I was like well I'm not. disgusted at him and I had that that. that ability to go that's not me feeling. that it must be coming from him. right but it was your emotions right but. everything else felt like we were. sharing literally not only the thoughts. but the emotions that went along with it.

it was a true sharing of a mind space. and he felt just like me his inner voice. is just like my inner voice his feelings. are just like our feelings he feels. sadness he feels all the things that I. do what is the general consensus in the. people in the program about. Roswell they don't like talking about it. I think that was where they they. probably are are trying to bury it even. amongst themselves because they know. they made some very bad mistakes about. that first confrontation that could have. been a lot better than it what happened.

so the general consensus is that this is. a real. Event Y and they don't like talking. about it but does everybody sort of. agree or are there people that are. dissenting do they have dissenting. opinions about whether or not never. heard dissension I've heard people say I. don't want to talk about it they don't. want to talk about it but that it ours. right they know well the only thing this. is again when we talk about the Intel. analyst and everybody else that was on. that Forum it's it's it's totally weird.

that you can go through all these. different things as an Intel analyst and. say okay it's not China all right it's. not that all right let's look at Russia. anything there nope it's not Russian is. it one of ours well hell no it's not one. of ours well who the heck is it then. does anybody talk about it is there. anybody that has shared information. about Roswell to you. um yeah is there anything that you could. talk about no no no it's all top secret.

I I just gave the person the confidence. that I would not mention got it got it. and Logan have you had personal. experiences other than the one when you. were a child yeah um but I didn't know. what I was seeing but you know like um. after the program came out I mean not. came out but after James Fox um finished. editing everything mhm he sends he said. well you haven't seen everything um put. together so here you go and you know.

tell me if you you know don't like the. way you look or whatever and I'm going. through it and he starts showing I see. the part stuff about Calvin the Calvin. uh um Scotland uh image have you seen. that one yes so that image was taken if. I remember correctly in August 1990 pull. that image up. J thank you you you could just type in. UFO whatever so I'm going I had just. cross trained from yeah that one I had.

just cross trained. from uh maintenance into intelligence. and I was going to my first uh Intel. assignment and I'm flying from. Philadelphia to uh Frankfurt Germany to. Ry M Air. Base somewhere between Iceland and. Scotland. this thing is zipping around in the in. the clouds doing this Ziggy zaggy thing. I don't know what it was doing but it. was doing this the sun was just coming.

up and I'm eating a Philly cheese cheese. steak and the other guy's with me is. eating a hogi and the other guy that's. standing up over the top of where I'm. like anybody know what that is and um. they're like dude what is that and then. all of a sudden in my head I'm like oh. this is my first Intel assignment I'm. going to get clued into some cool ass. [ __ ] but I don't know what the hell that. is but I'm just thinking and it looks. just like that it looks just like that. and the way it was moving in the clouds.

it was like because of the shadowing was. like going from like that color to like. dark and then light again as it was. moving in and it would go into a cloud. on one vector and come out on another. vector and I'm like what what is that so. didn't know what was going on so I. called James back I was like dude dude. where's this talk to me you know we're. all excited and um he goes explain to me. everything and. what happened was I got to my unit and I. talk to them and I go we have a um. weapons tactics guy he's you know.

they're the best of the best and they're. leading the group and I was like so what. is that thing out there and he goes I. have no idea what you're talking about. now this is in January of 1990 that. picture is August of 1990 and what I. didn't realize was that the Belgian wave. I don't know if you were familiar with. that uh a whole bunch of triangular. devices were seen over um Belgium for. almost a whole year so they just called. it the Belgian wave police officers saw. it they launched f-16s after him.

whatever are there photographs of that. at all um no but the general that's in. charge actually gave a briefing to. everybody and showed what the F-16 radar. was seeing and I guess every time they. tried to get close to it it would just. pull away just far enough you know that. they couldn't catch it and then when. they would try to cage it in the radar. system it would move to the left you. know it was it was playing with him so. but I didn't know any of that so I just. kind of was like yeah okay I'm stupid.

may maybe it was part of my imagination. but what I saw as a kid kept coming back. into my head so dead of storm happens. whatever and I'm at my base and British. awax shows up and they're looking at me. and they're I still had my accent my. British Saxon they're looking at me. going what are you flying with the Yanks. for and I'll go what do you mean they. said. you know and I told him my my family. thing they said why don't you come fly. with us I'm like sure let me ask my boss.

my boss says you ain't got nothing going. on go fly with them so we're flying. around and finally I go I go hey guys uh. what's that thing in the sky that does. the Ziggy zaggy thing do you know what. I'm talking about and they're like you. know and I was like no I don't know. don't play with me and they're like come. on Logan you know and then finally they. pull out this tape and they plug it in. and it shows Europe all the aircraft. flying around and you see this thing go. through the middle of it real fast like. all the other aircraft The Sweep of the.

radar you just seen these minute. movements this thing is like it's gone. and I was like who's that and they go. you do I was like look stop playing with. me you know right kind of find out they. said well that's your rsr 71 and I was. like well that ain't him and they're. like okay and then he looks at the other. guy and he said show him the other one. and they show me this radar scope again. and this time there's a Target in the. middle of not in the middle of the. screen but off to the side it was like.

could have been like East Germany or. whatever but every sweep of the radar he. was somewhere else and I was like that. guy I was so excited I said that MF. right there yeah who who who's that guy. you know and they go you know I was like. look stop this I don't know and they. finally said we don't know either they. said we just assumed it was you. Americans playing with us yeah that's. what happens a lot of times yeah we. don't know who our adversaries think. that too everything's America if they. can't explain it right did you see the.

Trump uh Administration address the. drones today we heard about it but I. didn't see yes I had a friend tell me. they made an announcement but we were. getting in the car at the time yeah. essentially they said it was all ours. and uh there was some sort of scanning. that was done that was approved and the. other ones were. hobbyists and some sort of test that. they were doing. but they're saying that it's ours which. is this very the whole thing stinks it. does stinks explanation yeah um I.

actually. had a person that was up there and the. she said one of those things came down. low and slow over her house and she said. it had the sound of a helicopter so she. was like her and her husband were like. oh you know it's a helicopter but then. all of a sudden they realized she said. Mr Logan were you ever air crew I said. yeah I was in Special Ops and I F on. helicopters and da da da da and she goes. when it came down low it had the sound. of a helicopter but you couldn't feel it.

and I go huh she goes you know when you. can feel the rotor wash and it's hitting. you in your chest like boom boom boom. boom she said there was none of that she. said it came down slow low over her. house and then it went back up and then. she said it looked like it went back. into formation with something else and. she said that's not any drone I know of. and she said it it sounded like the the. actual noise of the helicopter and. several of the other noises from the. drones were all pre-recorded just to.

make them sound like they were. conventional erra and those are the same. things I've been hearing too because a. lot of people are shoving videos at me a. lot and their descriptions of things and. some of the stuff you know looked like. maybe it could be a spotlight from a. helicopter and then when the light moved. then you could finally see the. helicopter behind the light then there. was these other ones that was like. this is really weird my friend Mark saw. one Mark Norman what how did he describe. it Jamie he said it was triangular right. uh I just remember I'm saying SUV size.

yeah he said it was the size of an SUV. he said it was triangular he said it. moved really fast so when they initially. came out they said oh they're all manned. all right I think it was John Kirby that. was the the speaker and I used to work. at the FAA so my first thing was well if. they're a man you just call them up and. say cut it out right simple right but it. kept going on and then later on there. was a report that DHS. said oh one of the drones has come down.

in a mall parking lot but DHS has. assessed it's just a regular drone so. when you hear that what are you thinking. DJI mavic something small. whatever someone on X is is on a train. going by that exact same spot and they. show a drone next to two police cars and. this thing is as big as the police car. and I'm like so I have no way of. confirming if that's the what he what it.

really was right but I have no reason to. believe that this particular person was. leaving he said he goes I don't know. what you guys are thinking but I'm. passing that mall right now and take a. look and it's like a maybe a 30 second. clip or something and you see this thing. it's as big as the SUVs so and what does. it look like it it looked like a kind of. like a gondola with like large uh uh um. blades on the on the four corners and so.

it looks like a very large conventional. drone very large conventional drone and. so I'm sitting there thinking was this a. test that nobody knew about was you know. what what is going on for this to and. nobody got any answers so well the other. thing that is they could stay in the sky. for like 5 hours at a time that's what. puzzles me is that that takes industrial. sized uh Power Generation yeah yeah what. are you using like what is that thing. using Jamie can you see the if right.

cold fusion can you find the uh video of. the disclosure today it was uh yeah. while while he's talking about the. disclosure the one thing I do want to. mention is when I talked to the to the. awax group I thought it was kind of. interesting because I. said so how many know about this and he. goes the whole Squadron knows about it. and I was like what he said yeah but we. just don't talk about it because people. lose their jobs over this and I was like.

I've heard that as well and I was like. so this is an awak and I said am I to. assume that if you're British awax then. American awax can see it French awax can. see it NATO awax can see it and he just. kind of yeah and everybody doesn't know. what it is and no one's talking about. and everybody just says it's got to be. American let's hear what this lady says. and before I turn to questions I do have. news directly from the president of the. United States that was just shared with. me in the Oval Office uh from president. Trump directly an update on the New.

Jersey drones after research and study. the drones that were flying over New. Jersey in large numbers were authorized. to be flown by the FAA for research and. various other reasons many of these. drones were also hobbyists recreational. and private individuals that enjoy. flying Jones in meantime in the in time. it got worse due to curiosity this was. not the enemy a a statement from the. president of the United States to start.

this briefing with some. news part that gets me is the hobbyists. being included in that is like well they. definitely were hobbyists too because. there was hobbyists in Austin around. that time there was a ton of drones and. just like people were like whoa It's a. drone party everybody was like everybody. with drones was just flying around okay. well that kind of makes sense then kind. of makes sense cuz there so drone. activity here's the thing that I I I got. to look at it from an analyst point of. view the first thing that came up I was. like so they knew this the whole time.

why couldn't they have said that from. the very beginning it's a different. Administration right right and then two. why were they required to have a skiff. briefing on. drones nobody's ever answered that at. one point Congress guys all went into a. skiff and got a skiff briefing on drones. and then they didn't have a press. conference about the results right which. would have been could it be that they. wanted to see what happens when you fly.

things over a metropolitan area and you. fly a bunch of drones over highly. populated I would think parts of the. country a few reasons why I would say. that you'd include both uh Federal and. hobbyist drones in any kind of an. activity and there's only the hobbyists. are including themselves right yeah and. that that could just be that they're. accidentally there but the feds what. were they doing doing yeah and why would. they have a skiff that's that's my point. explain to people that don't know what. we're talking about a skiff is a a place. for information above secret and it's a.

special comp compartmented intelligence. facility where we can go in there and. talk about things that are above and. there's no recording devices no phones. no nothing right but the thing is. this I mean most of us that are in the. intelligence Community or whatever we're. going to look at it and say something's. not quite right here because this is. something domestic happening over the US. so would it really require a skiff you. know especially if it's authorized right.

correct you know so would it really. require that level of security to to go. on and and have these guys talk it just. doesn't make any sense yeah the the. federal presence to me dictates the fact. that if this was innocuous and. unclassified like you're saying why was. there not a press conference that. described it and said the hobbyists are. out there flying to and they they're. just kind of interfering with our our. our lanes where we go and fly normally.

uh between one place to another that. never came out so why was the skiff even. mentioned that some that something that. they did release in the Press is that. they were were receiving briefings that. were in a classified environment and. then there's still the yeah there's. still the the problem with these drones. popping up all over the world especially. over military facilities and that part's. not been addressed it's just the other. stuff that they you know right that was.

right Patterson Air Force Base had to. get closed down right right Patterson. Langley Air Force Base there's others. and then there's reports of stuff in. Australia there's reports of things. other places in the world let me ask you. this and tell me if this makes sense if. you were the government and you knew. that there were nonhuman intelligence. that were operating Vehicles above our. city. would a way to sort of obfuscate that to. launch a bunch of our drones as well and. have some [ __ ] that you could explain.

and then tell people don't worry about. it it was just drones it was our drones. like see here's our drone here's a drone. that crashed look it's got propellers. normal drone yeah it's big but it's. normal you have no idea how many how. many people have said that already yep. yes you're you're you're going in the. right direction yeah you've heard that. one you've heard the other Theory. they're looking for a dirty nuke they're. looking for [ __ ] out of me yeah I did. tooo honestly I thought that's what it. was about but then they have what. looking for hvts like uh anti-terrorist. or looking for terrorist groups because.

we were I think at that time it went. through the press that there was over a. thousand of these you know jihadists. that were in our midst we don't know. where they're at right you know kind of. thing maybe they're looking for those. and those are so those are just some of. the theories that you come up with with. this kind of a scenario and then there. was the guy the congressman that said oh. there's an Iranian mother ship out there. and we were like what. you know the in the ocean yeah none of. this stuff was making any sense and. then you you have to.

wonder where was he getting his Intel. because if it's that crappy right those. people need to be fir well you got to. take another thing into the into the. calculus and that is wasn't this. worldwide I mean then we we got reports. from China even that this stuff was. happening right and they don't just have. hobbyists flying stuff around in their. their country maybe they don't right. maybe they have a much tighter control. over their media so they don't have to. obfuscate they don't have to yeah trick. us see that's the one part that I find. very confusing is just like if that's. happening in Europe and China and all.

these other places what really is going. on you could have just did a notem and. just said hey we're going to be doing a. test in this area not don't want to. scare anybody whatever but we're just. going to test in this area if if it's. just ours right but if it's not ours and. there's a bunch of [ __ ] flying around. there and we want to confuse people. wouldn't you have a bunch of. conventional drones and fly them low. over City so people could clearly see. could done a totally different way and. and not had all this hubbub going on so. yeah you're right but why why would you.

if you know the truth why would you. leave the Americans afraid of what's. flying over their head I think they're. still it look assuming you guys are. completely accurate about all this if. they have had this information for a. long time I would assume that there's a. lot of pressure to never release it I. think there's probably a lot of problems. with lying to Congress lying to Congress. about budgets and allocation of. resources for these programs that are.

all top secret like how have you done. this what have you done who's. responsible who made that call is that. even legal and who are you that if. you've been in contact with non-human. intelligence and you have retrieved. crafts who are you to keep that from the. rest of the world exactly and speak for. the American government for for that if. you're not official part of it right. especially if you're you're not. officially I mean you don't have the. clearance to do what you're doing right. I mean they're making decisions for the. entire human race not just America but.

the whole race and that's what my beef. was when in the film when James Fox. asked me about that well why are you. doing it you know kind of a thing and I. was like well I feel like this is the. right of every man woman and child on. the face of the Earth to know the truth. about we're not alone that has nothing. to do with the weapon systems and the. classified parts that I know of but the. fact that we're not alone shouldn't that. be something that everybody should be. invited to to make their own decision. on yeah I would imagine that but I would. also imagine if you wanted to keep your. job and if you have a high intelligence.

clearance and you're working for the. government and you're a longtime career. employee of the government you want to. keep moving up the ladder and keep keep. your [ __ ] mouth shut right and that's. where people have to make that decision. on their own that you know have they. seen enough uh. malfeasant to want to report it or not. and they're going to throw their whole. life into it tizy if they do that and. that's what happened to me y yeah and. what has it been like since then uh have. you gotten support from more people than.

you thought you would or have more. people throwing you under the bus than. you expected um I actually feel more. support um than I. expected um I've made it through it's. not been easy financially for me um when. they messed with my clearance I haven't. gotten the job since I've been out of. work since August of last year um um so. that's not been fun was there a reason. why they said they mess with your. clearance no they just made it sound. like oh it's just an administrative. error sorry you uh yeah we still have.

your clearance here and everybody that. wants to employ me I've had very quite a. few employers want to hire me and they. say yeah we can see your clearance over. here it looks like DOD uh is trying to. reactivate it but month by month by. month it just sits there and they won't. pass it to the employer somebody is just. sitting there going oh another request. for Jason goodbye delete that's what's. happening because you stepped out of. line that's what it feels like to me.

okay Logan have you experienced the same. kind of situation no no I'm he's in a. different class than me he's he's an. official whistleblower me I just step. forward um to say that I don't think I. we need the government to do this I. think we as the public need to do this. and I created an app to do that I was. hoping that what is your app my app is. called Phenom um it's a an app to report.

UAP paranormal encrypted like events and. the idea is that we can get multiple. people to see the same thing recorded. and then look for the outliers and get. people like jacqu Valle and Dr Eric. Davis and how put off and others the. gray beards to look at it and say okay. here's what we can figure out you know. Gary Nolan and all these people. let's get them the information that they. need and then after we get them the. information they need let's get it out. to Academia so we can have kind of like. a a more organized approach to finding.

out what's going on I wanted people to. to use my app on the drones some people. did but not not enough and I I had a. little bit of a problem because when I. put it out on. Android there was only one other app. that was close to it that was in the. same name go back there there's like. almost 10 apps with the same name so. people didn't know what was going on. they're getting confused but anyway to. answer your question about the support. yes I do get a lot of support there's. people like you know Steven deer there's.

dby fno and Tom Thompson there's uh UFO. Sarah that's on X there's a ton of. people that I can mention not let alone. how much support James Fox is throwing. at me um that's what's getting me. through. this how many different versions of. these life forms have been discussed. with with you on Mission I can say three. I know of what two mainly tall whites. Grays those are the main are the tall.

whites like this one that you. encountered the one with the big eyes. yes yes like that one but that wasn't. that tall you said right but the. apparently according have you seen the. video from Mr Hall the guy that was. supposed to be the weatherman and. actually interfaced with the tall whes. no yeah I I totally believe I've seen. too much but anyway he says he goes in. and out of my well I can verify the fact. that what he said about his position. there as a weatherman that he could walk. around anywhere he wanted to because. that's what the base commander told me. when I got my orientation drive-thru on.

on Dreamland and he mentioned the. weather site and that that person does. not can walk wherever they want to and. what was what what did they report well. just uh what Mr Hall yeah yeah he says. that the tall whites go through a growth. cycle where they're kind of normal. height um but they're very long live. they live like 800 years or or more but. when they start getting older then they. get very tall like 7 8ot tall and then. they begin to you know uh their bodies. begin to not function properly and they.

die um kind of like somebody who has a. growth problem you know oh like a giant. exactly yeah and their the vital organs. just can't pump enough anymore kind. large dogs that die early because of the. heart problem right so the guy that I. saw was probably a young person you know. probably only like 70 years old or. something something like that which is. kind of an adolescent to them or a young. adult oh okay so um and this was. explained to him through some sort of.

telepathy well he would actually as the. weather if you listen to that video I. Really encourage you to do that but Mr. Hall um also published some books on it. but he claims that what he was there at. at this one place that you know I can. verify it's there that on the other side. of that that mountain or that Hillside. that's where the the trail goes off into. where the tall whites are apparently. have been given an Annex of land to live. where they they don't get bothered I. mean it's part of the military complex.

is that on Google Earth there is parts. of it yeah can we like look where the. tall whites live I tried to yeah I'd. have to get my laptop out but yeah what. does it look like um it does look like. there's some circular patterns it does. look like there's uh some possibility. that there are some like doors inside. the mountain that is that it looks like. it's camouflaged to look like it's part. of the mountain side so the idea is that. that's a base for them when they visit. us yeah cuz apparently according to Mr. Hall they come here for a 5year stint I.

guess and they have to refuel and then. they have another ship come through and. and the other one's refuel fueled and it. it takes off so they're closer in The. evolutionary chain to us than some of. the other ones is that that's my. assumtion yeah now the other third type. that got mentioned on mission was. reptilians but every time. that they were mentioned it was really. quickly hushed up by whoever else was on. the other end of the line shut up don't. say that is what they were doing they. don't want to talk about the rep they.

want to talk about The Reptilian. Presence at all they they would talk. about the tall whites and the Grays. being in the lab of. armaments you know not a lot but some. but these reptilians was it was like. nobody wanted to talk about it was there. any sort of an explanation did anybody. give you of why they don't want to talk. about it no the only time I got any. inkling was that when I you know was out. of the program and other people started. to talk to me about all the different. you know things and they're like well. how many races are there I don't know. but um some people talked about the.

reptilians they're like do you realize. that these are evil and I had to listen. to that and and the thing is we don't. know if it's because of their appearance. you know you you would assume something. that's reptilian is maybe a demon or. whatever and a Nordic with the blonde. hair blueeyed is considered like an. angel or is it that's just our. perception but those that's what you. hear well every every reptile here is. evil right you ever seen a kodo dragon. eat a goat it's horrific they're [ __ ].

monsters every single reptile is a. Monster yeah That's here there's not one. cuddly reptile you can hang out with. cuddles with you he's brings you your. newspaper in the morning no I I thought. that was funny because the lady like my. snake sleeps with me every night and the. guy says no it's laying next to you cuz. it's sizing you up for eventually it's. going to eat you like one day it's going. to eat you you have a monster that you. you feed as long as you keep feeding it. won't eat you yeah people with like.

pythons for p well to give it some. credibility I did do some research after. that person talked to me CU I did see. that there is a a reptilian race that is. very malign like that and they even have. according to what I read this one race. has a pension for blood for some reason. it's like a shark frenzy with them they. have euphor experience for them yeah a. reptilian r that does that it just makes. you wonder about human history about the. stories of demons and angels and this is.

what Tucker Carlson believes that. they've always been here and that this. idea that they're coming from another. planet is not it's not that simple no. it's more complicated and he thinks that. it's the the demons and the angels from. the Bible y so they could be seen that. way but here's here's something that. someone we were just talking and. throwing ideas at each other he said if. humans have actually been on the earth. like say this long right all right when. the dinosaurs were here they were like.

yeah this long so is it possible that. some of them could have evolved to a. certain point know that something bad's. going to happen they're so Advanced they. go off world and then they come back and. go hey what happened here you know or is. there a place where the the the Yucatan. impact never happens M and so those. dinosaurs event evolve to become super. intelligent yes cuz remember back in the. day there used to be an omni magazine. mhm all right one of those hypotheses. was if mammals like us hadn't shown up.

what would we have looked like and it. shows a lizard walking upright and doing. you know everyday things that but. wouldn't you think that it would have. done that already like they were around. for like 100 million years 200 million. years like in that time period they. didn't evolve at all those [ __ ] they. just kept eating each other. way that's the assumption but now we're. going back and looking at all kinds of. different things like they said that. maybe it wasn't the asteroid that took. out the dinosaurs maybe it was a.

combination of things like there was. some kind of mutation something that. they drank in the water and it's and all. at the same time maybe the asteroid was. the The Catalyst to start it and then. all these other things that happened. after you know the Fireball the all the. other stuff but if there was a group. that was so Advanced that they could. there and go that's an asteroid it's. going to kick our butt we better get off. or let's go under you know cuz there's. some L looking things that can go.

underwater and do their thing live. underground that kind of thing yeah cuz. I I I heard a story heavy it's anyway go. ahead you heard a story yeah okay I I. just heard a story that someone just. said imagine this the aliens are coming. down there's another Society here that. lives on the ground highly Advanced and. they like to keep things the way they. are so they're going to direct all their. energy to make sure that the alien the. nhi that we're seeing are paying. attention to us and not them and I was.

like yeah but see for me I the way I. look at all this rellan presence is just. like I've read in the Bible you know. that for some reason I feel like this. whole experience I've had in my life. actually increased my faith in the Bible. and God because even in the Bible it. mentions the serpents and that Lucifer. being the head of that that genre or. species did cause the fall of mankind.

and all this other good stuff so to me I. feel like I just got experienced with. the reality of the fact that these. things exist and even though they try to. keep it all hidden that I got exposed to. the program where I could see some of it. and I think that there's some Credence. also to that side of it as well so to. give Credence to the the whole thing is. just to say that I I that's what I. believe but at the same time I wasn't. there this eban thing that you talked.

about initially yeah this creature what. did that thing look like uh they didn't. really describe the the eban um nope. they just said that it was just like. them reporting on something uh for that. day so it was kind of like a daily thing. with them so they had already described. it you just weren't privy to it and so. they were just going on the assumption. that everybody who's talking yeah it's. kind of like you know somebody asked me. what you look like today you know after. the first time they asked me they're. never going to ask me about that again. so it was like that was just not a topic. so this Ean was it here against its will.

was it here to it sound like it was. imprisoned it it sounded like an. interrogation result is what it sounded. like if you hear any of the stories they. make it sound like um he was one of the. survivors and he got stuck here and he. started working with us and eventually. he died in the natural causes but it's. all speculation because we're you know. we're hearing all this stuff but we. don't have any way to verify and how.

many other stories that are similar to. that like the interactions and the a. thing being here with us have you. heard um there's another one that. actually escaped from captivity yo but. it he actually convinced his interpreter. or his interrogator to help him Escape. because the program was trying to get. him to open a portal for them and they. wanted control of it and the guy.

eventually the the interrogator actually. pushed him into the portal and had. surreptitiously gave him back to his own. home world and it ended that guy's. career probably um a portal yeah and. what kind of portal are we talking about. you're talking like it's it's kind of. like a a way of opening a wormhole that. you can control and did they say where. this thing was accomplished and how I. think it was also in reticuli I think it. was another being from the reticuli. system right but the the portal where is.

this portal how is it accomplished oh um. the portal I thought um I was trying to. think where was that call from and to. because you you always get the. originating location but you're always. trying to figure out who the distant end. is um I'm trying to. think all the parameters because you you. have to write down the phone number and. all your stuff sometimes. uh it sounded like it it might have been. on the the Pacific Northwest or the West. Coast Area is where this was taking. place and did they say how the portal.

was made was this made by them they had. recovered parts of one and they were. trying to complete it and they were. trying to get this being to help them. complete the the portal so that they. could use it for their advantage like a. Stargate yeah like a real Stargate. correct yeah remember what I was telling. you that story about you know let's go. get Jimmy yeah the the the rumor that I. heard surrounding this was that he.

convinced his interpreter that if he. didn't get back and if things if if uh. he didn't get home really bad things. were going to happen and that guy just. kind of felt like you know hey I got. kids and whatever I don't want Society. to destroy unless he had some compassion. for him been working with him for a. while yeah so when he got the chance he. was just. like you know get him in there can't. remember all the things I think they had. to keep this this entity tied to a chair.

or something so he couldn't do anything. and that's why he needed the help of the. the guy that was The Interpreter he had. to push him into the portal on the chair. that he was tied to yeah I I so the. rumors I heard I didn't hear the portal. part I just heard that he somehow he was. able to get him outside and just just as. he got him outside they just showed up. above and did a snatch and grab and he. was gone and next thing you know he's. out there so there's different versions. of this there's this versions I'm just. telling you that's the only other one.

I've heard that you're you're mentioning. that you wanted me to describe that was. there any other entities that we had. captured and had something similar. that's the only other story I've heard. do you know the Richard Nixon story yeah. where he went with Jackie gleon yeah. yeah yeah do you think that's. [ __ ] actually not for that time. frame no I could see Jackie gleon and. Richard Nixon BR some Suds down that. that I definitely could say and also. Jackie gleon did become obsessed with. UFOs afterwards and even had a house. built the shape of UFO it's a wild.

looking house that was apparently for. sale recently yes really yeah yeah yeah. it wasn't in paldes was it it was in up. no no it was in Upstate New York it did. look like a it's very bizarre looking. house like you see like why would Jackie. gleon build a want to see it up Jamie. you look at it you're like why would. Jackie gleon build a house like this but. then you hear that story you go maybe. that's why he did it maybe cuz the word. was that he had become obsessed with. UFOs at one point in his life and this. story came out I think as told by his. wife oh wow yeah this was Jack's.

house which is so weird yeah SPAC ship. like house very strange very [ __ ]. strange for someone to do something like. that yeah I would have to believe they. had something profound or they were. me I would build that Ive never had a. UFO. [ __ ] house I love that. house I I kind of like those too it's. like went out down at Nar Beach where I. I have a a home down there in Florida.

but there's a UFO house down there oh. really yeah and it looks just like a UFO. I think there's a UFO house in. California somewhere I think there's one. in the Hills. above Studio City I think there's one. it's like a famous UFO house that I. think they filmed things to I think it's. like on stilts and it looks like UFO mhm. I mean people are always going to want. things that look like that it doesn't. necessarily mean that the Jackie gleon. yeah that one that's in the Hollywood. Hills it's called the chemosphere that.

one is pretty cool [ __ ] dope that. yeah cool as [ __ ] but I'd be terrified. living in California with earthquakes. and it being on those things stupid. place to live yeah yeah you you wouldn't. want it as your main house no no that's. the house you visit every now and then. when you want to get drunk let's get. drunk at the UF private have a party. have a little cocktail party at the UFO. house there you go that's exactly how I. treat it yeah it's like fun yeah but um. so the so the Grays the tall whites the.

reptilians but then there's the Mantis. too right right and those are things. honestly I've had we've only discussed a. part of my life I've had experiences all. the way from three years old on um and. even after I was out of the program and. I was just working uh in in Florida and. I've seen the delta to or triangular. craft like three times and one of those. times with my daughter um when we were. coming back from her gymnastics class uh.

pretty well just before I I retired and. what did that look like it was like a. the size of a three-story home but it. was you know pointed and on the top it. was kind of angular kind of like what. you see the F-117 looked like where it's. angular it kind of looked like that it. had uh pale uh grayish white lights on. the underside on the on the Cardinal. corners and then in the back there was a. flat panel that looked like a grill.

where there was a light there there was. like these stack of straight up lights. like fluorescent lights are that would. go to the right and then to the left and. did it make noise zero noise zero noise. and it was just flying through the air y. fast slow it was going fairly slow um. and then when it banked it turned and. and then that's when it sped up a little. bit and then I lost it in the trees um. then I saw it two other times uh one. time was uh going to work and the other.

time was in 2022 when I reached out to. some of the program folks that I used to. know to tell them hey there's a space on. the top secret jwa computers that. they're talking about UFOs and and I and. I pointed them directly to this uh this. delta-shaped uh craft because I was like. I know what this is and I know what they. know it is so I was trying to let them. know that you need to look at this this. imagery that we have our hands on um and. uh ends up they ended up showing up with.

it and they showed me flying in flight. they followed me home the next night and. and it was right there above my car and. I'm looking kind of like so is this. hours it's ours yeah it's a hybrid or. it's ours I've always told people a. hybrid meaning what well here it is the. whole thing is that in the 9s I know. they were on Mission with me at right. Pat and we saw a delta-shaped craft it. had different Nels at the time or. engines at the time that's what a Noel.

is and then. um so this new version looked very. similar in shape however it had these. glowing orbs that looked like they were. part of the propulsion system so they. had upgraded part of it and now it. looked fully functional and operational. because back in the 90s it was not so. this is the other thing that I keep. hearing is that we are in possession of. technology that is many many years ahead. of anything that anybody could. anticipate correct and and and when we. get that I call that exotic material.

Andor whatever you want to call it but. we get our hands on that and about every. you know 10 years we get a breakthrough. on it because we do study it and. sometimes somebody is smart enough to. figure something out and the next thing. you know we've got fiber optics or we. got cellones we've got transistors now. nanotech you know where all this stuff. come from is some of this part of this. nhi presence and that they've taken a. patent that was developed inside the. program and now these people from Lock. and Northrup are patenting this stuff.

and then making lots of money on the. outside other than the the beings that. we described are there other ones that. people have talked about yes I've. actually like I said as a young adult I. probably encountered more of a spiritual. sense but they were Nordic. looking uh. you know platinum hair kind of a look. blue eyes like the tall whites are. different no different they how many. documented different species have you.

heard. of if I'm talking about my mission days. it's only that handful and then if. you're talking about other things that. I've had other people tell me. about I think I've I've heard enough. from enough people that I trust that I. think our concept of life in this. universe is totally off I think there. are. literally trillions of other life forms. and anything you can imagine is probably. true that's a that's an interesting. thing because I always one of the things.

that I wondered when we used to talk in. the task force was if this is the you. know we're the alpha species here on. Earth so if what if what we're seeing is. the alpha species from another planet. think about what other Critters and. other things are running around and. maybe if we see something wild and crazy. over here what if it's somebody. you know who's got a dog like psycho you. all a sudden this you know something. goes you're like what was that you know. we just don't know so the you know we. can speculate and everything and build.

all these hypotheses up but we're. constantly looking to to add to what we. think is out there so we can figure out. going here's what we figured out here's. what we hav now is the conventional. explanation that these things are from. other planets or is there speculation. that they're interdimensional. is there speculation that they live in. the. water all of that all the above I would. say that the way they appear and. disappear is interdimensional ISM that.

and uh I've had other friends that have. had encounters that have talked to me. that they could see a larger craft and. then it turned and all of a sudden there. was a door opening and a creature coming. out and yet this other part of the craft. seemed to be like a long way off so it's. like interdimensionally large however. you know when it turns it's not like our. four-dimensional world I've heard of a. craft that you go inside of it and it.

looks like a couple hundred feet on the. outside you go inside of it it's bigger. than a footb field Doctor Who style. because it's going into this other. dimension and there's actually more. space to that yes and that's what this. guy was describing so I we've we've all. heard that um too the the other thing. too about the dimensional thing because. of the speeds that they're moving at it. could be that they're moving so fast it. looks like they slipped into a dimension. because sometimes you'll see these.

things go off into the sky and then do. some weird whatever and then they're. gone and then other times what you're. seeing is this thing is moving slowly. and then all of a sudden it's gone and. you're like did it just slip into. Dimension or is that there is it speed. so fast that you can't track it with. your eye I I have heard yes I've heard. people tell me that they were seeing. some of these things moving at 16,000. mph plus and we're still accelerating.

I've never been able to verify that. obviously but these are some people that. seem to know what they're talking about. and you know they just kind of come. forward I I would just have when I was. on the task force I would just get a. phone call and just said hey are you Mr. Logan oh yeah yeah they're like uh uh. check your email in about 5 minutes or. you know hey there's something I want to. tell you and I have no way of verifying. it but the idea would be to put it in a. little box somewhere to say hey this is. an unknown and maybe someone like Jason.

would come along and verify what this. guy just told me or verify what I just. saw in a video that maybe he can. corroborate on we would look at. primarily for the task force we were. looking at the safety of the pilots. because they were having so many. problems and they kept filling out all. those safety reports you know so we're. like but and I remember asking uh um the. task force director Jay strandon I was. like what about all the commercial stuff.

that's going on and he says I want to. incorporate that but I can't because. with their stuff we don't have a good. chain of custody on what's Happening and. if someone's manipulating the data with. the stuff that's coming directly from. the pilots we can so I was always. looking at what the pilots told me they. saw. and then me and several others in and. outside of the task force were looking. through the commercial stuff to see if. we could find the same exact thing.

because that's how I I when I first got. it pulled into the task force it was um. I talked about my app and I was going to. do this just to figure out just. something for a hobby when I get older. you know when I grow up and um then Lou. alzando came out with Leslie Keane and. their their story and I went and found. Lou and I said said if you're serious. about what you're talking. about stop stop by my office cuz I just. wanted to see if he could do it and he. showed up with the the gang and they.

presented their story about the pilots. and everything and we were like okay and. I said well what about this weird thing. over here and they're like how do you. know about that and I was like I Got. Friends in Low Places kind of like you. you know and I and they looked at me and. they said don't worry. that one's um we've been told that. something mundane is nothing important. and I was like I beg to differ and I was. able to show them an a video of the same.

thing seen somewhere in the in the world. through civilian. stuff and I remember when they were. leaving after they heard everything and. uh all of a sudden Lou just turns back. around and goes you're in and I was like. in what and he goes you'll see and next. thing you know I was in the task force. so and for me I was like oh my life just. came full circle I I saw some things and. now I'm I'm actually going to. investigate these things and so that's.

how I kind of pressed ahead and then. just to add on top of that remember I. said when uh Jason showed up I I called. David grush right but the funny thing. was I hadn't even been in the task force. that long and I was trying to look at. things all of a sudden I get a phone. call. and I'm like yeah how can I help you and. he goes um my name is David grush are. you serious about all this stuff you're. tracking and I go yeah he goes I want in.

and I was like huh and he goes I think I. have something that can uh help with you. guys and I was like well I'm not in. charge of this I got to introduce you to. you know uh Stratton and Company and so. I introduced him and every now and then. would say hi to him and we'd talk and he. called me on the phone but who else I. mean I'm going to Stratton I'm going to. all the people in the task force and he. pops up and I'm like oh my God what do.

you do with that you know I don't have. the resour I didn't get invited like he. did yeah I didn't have the resources to. check out everything that he did one of. the things that we keep hearing. Christopher melons talked about this. many people talked about this is there. is evidence that's been classified that. is highresolution video un photographs. that are very distinct very different. than some of the blurry stuff that we've. seen have you guys seen any of that yep. yes you have can you talk about it.

nope all I can say is that there's some. really. really good clear highdef stuff out. there that can't explain you can't. explain you you're just sitting there. going we went through the whole rigur on. these objects you had people people on. one side of the fence people on the. other side of the fence people in the. middle of of it all and nobody could. draw a conclusion the first thing we're. trying to do is going okay Could That.

Could That Be Russia could that be China. okay who else is there and you go. through your whole list then you once. you put that off to the side you go. through now what are we observing and. some of the things you know like Lou. said the five observables plus the six. which is you know the psychological. effect on the but you're kind of going. through those for all those they're not. always there yeah but they're super. clear and some of them you're like how I. mean you look at it you just keep. saying how can that be yeah because.

you've got also you got to understand. that these are these are professionals. we had imagery analysts go through. looking for false positive like uh. camera artifacts that that look like. something they're not um they could do. AI analysis of images now they're pretty. accurate exactly and we had a whole dat. database of all these false positives to. go through and it wasn't matching any of. that we were going through the imagery. analysis of the video looking for Flaws. like artifacts couldn't find anything. that and you're talking about a high.

resolution video like it's much clearer. than the stuff we're seeing exactly and. what's the resistance to that stuff. getting out there to the general public. it's just classification yeah it could. be where it's at those type things it. could be anything yeah because one of. the things that I think the community. really gets hung up on when it comes to. the Intel Community is that the. classification is one thing but when you. don't know if something is a threat you. automatically assign a value to that as. being credible or not credible and right. now they can't draw a conclusion. therefore they don't want to declassify.

it therefore it will not be divulged in. public because of those reasons I was. telling him in my my first thing as an. Intel is to. go Friend or Foe right you know and then. the next thing I'm trying to do is you. know break down all the characteristics. and and we would sit there and you're. looking I I when I first joined the task. force I remember there was a group that. I used to walk in their office because. they're they're smarter than me you know. so I want to make sure I'm getting the.

best input and the first couple of times. I showed up everybody pulled out the. aluminum hatch they pled started playing. the xfiles music and I'm like okay guys. but what about this and I throw it out. there and they're like oh yeah what is. that after about the fourth or fifth. visit no more music no more I come in. everybody's already hunched over what. I've already sent them they're like yeah. what is that because we would Jay. Straton asked us to he said lean forward. and get out there and.

and use an allsource approach to looking. and Gathering all the information on. what we can find so I would capture like. I'd call up a drone guy and say I need. you to come to my office take a look at. this and he would looking and he was. like holy crap how big is that what H. how and I was like yeah I I need answers. can you take a look and he would Logan. I'll get back to you a couple weeks. later he's like dude I I got nothing and.

then you know we would have an imagery. guy look at it and you know sometimes. they could sit there and say d That's. this if you had one piece of footage or. image to release would there be one that. really stands out like if you said if. they said look you could release this. one just one of these classified high. resolution videos is there one that. really stands out as being unique it's a. group for me there a group of can you. describe any of. it I think Lou alzando described.

one um there's the. story that he talks about the I think. Commander fraver discusses about the the. torpedo uhhuh do you remember that one. where he's uh the story is that um they. were launching Torpedoes and you know. they blew the ball on the torpedo the. torpedo came up to the top and they the. divers came to hook the torpedo and just. as they were about to to hook it. something very large like an island came.

up underneath them mhm all right. um so I get this weird. call and it's you have to play Devil's. Advocate cuz when you when you're trying. to tell guys that they were they were. the Observer and you're trying to say. hey hey well you know it could have been. this some of these guys get downright. angry they're pissed because you're. questioning their ability to discern. what's going on they were there you. weren't you know so you seen something.

lifechanging right so you have to be. careful because after a while nobody. will want to talk to you again because. oh Logan's an [ __ ] because he you. know so you're very careful so this guy. just sends me this thing and I'm looking. and and I just maybe a couple weeks. before I'd heard this story with fraver. and and alzando so I'm like what is this. and there was this all I can say was. there was. something very very very large yep. moving under the water but not not too.

far that you can't see it but it's. moving under the water and it's passing. objects that I know are really large and. this thing is bigger than them right and. I'm sitting there going well I think. they mentioned one of them and that was. the oil tanker one yes yeah that one. confused the hell out of me and there. were people saying it was just a shadow. that's the one that was going 500 knots. is the one was going pretty quick yeah. but some people were saying oh it's just.

some kind of a round object that's the. sun is is just making a large the shadow. of the moon going across the face of the. Earth and somebody did another analysis. and they looked at the wave tops and. they're like this is not a shadow. otherwise we show up on the wave Tops. This is under the surface and this thing. and it's disturbing the water underneath. it as it's this thing made this oil oil. rig out in the ocean look it dwarfed it. I mean this was like three or four times. bigger so the speculation is that. they're hiding in plain sight in the. water or is the speculation that there's. always been a civilization down there I. would I'd say in my in my opinion yes no.

in my opinion I would say that they are. have been here a very long time and that. the C underneath the ocean and. underneath the ground are two of the. best places to stay hidden and out of. the way of prying eyes yeah you go out. in the boonies somewhere or you go like. there's a whole bunch of activity going. on around Puerto Rico Puerto Rico yeah. there's a whole bunch of activity that. is going on um you know where the nut. incident AC happened all right so.

there's things that we want to verify. because you hear stories about things. like you've heard of the Baltic anomaly. all right so the first thing you want to. know is well first of all is it actually. there once you verify that it's there. you want to know what's his composition. what's his composition those things. there's another thing on there you can. look it up right now it's called the. Cuban Atlantis it's supposed to be 13. nautical miles west of Cuba all right. and it looks like there's triangles and.

everything else there and I'm like from. the moment that thing came out I've. never heard anybody else say we've been. there we've checked it out we've. verified it it's there let's send a dive. team down the thing on the right there. you know that's it yeah yeah that's. under the water yeah that's supposedly. 13 miles off the coast of Cuba well. that's what we want to know we want to. verify that that's crazy you know. whatever that is yeah where's the. National Geographic documentary on that.

is that wait a minute is that for real. just the why have I never even seen that. before all the other ones I'm thinking. are fake but this one up top right there. where the thing is click on that Jamie. yeah ancient Origins wouldn't go there. is it a crackpot site no it just doesn't. doesn't give the Vibes of a place to. start looking for right relevant. information that's a good way to put it. Jamie there's no vies so supposedly what. was happen there was some people doing. something coming across the water andic. UFO and they saw it so could it be that.

the Caribbean we analyze this one yeah. the Caribbean's hot and oh wow and. there's something out there you know. Skip ahead it eventually goes in the. water yeah this is very weird e even. even this one we've we've looked at it. we argued over this for months fast is. this thing supposedly going it's not. going that fast it's it's a it's kind of. quick like a like a Lear jet. wood you know but just looks went right. in the water the two things that stick.

out about nut it goes in the water it. does there's no Roost fast in the water. yeah there's no rooster tail that comes. off it and the other thing is at one. point near the end it actually looks. like it splits in two there's like one's. a holograph and one's right and now. there's some other imagery guy that's. saying oh that he didn't it didn't. actually go in the water system artifact. see it splits up yeah there you go see. that's the part that you can't and what. are we seeing with the drones some of. these are splitting. right and these are the ones that I find. very curious because those are the ones.

that get sent and they're. like it's an orb but now there's three. of them you know how do I explain that. well listen I want to thank you guys for. Having the courage to even talk about. this because I know it brings with it a. lot of ridicule and uh for people like. me that have no idea what's going on. it's very fascinating and uh you know a. lot more than most well I I I still. don't know anything though so that's not. good if I know more than wait a minute. wait a minute yeah but I I mean all I. know is what people have told me so I. don't know what's real and what's not.

real you know but uh I appreciate you. guys very much and thank you for being. here um if you got social media tell. everybody where they can get a hold of. you I'm on xpace mainly um just my name. Jason T Sans is my moniker so Logan I am. at Phenom doe just look it up and you'll. see information about my app and. and uh a little bit about my background. okay and I've got a firsthand fund I'm. trying to get further whistleblowers to. come forward as well um okay James Fox. did ask me to pass you something he said.

uh if you could put out a shout out to. anybody um that has information on the. Venia stuff because he's found some new. information and he needs to start. corroborating it ah okay where they get. a hold of James is James Fox director I. think on Instagram I believe so and his. xace is also a good way okay all right. beautiful well thank you gentlemen. appreciate it thanks for being here very. fun all right bye everybody. [Applause]. [Music].