Joe Rogan Experience #2260 - Lex Fridman

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day so Jamie what was your. question it was two lexs but it was. really like cuz he I wouldn't know. hardcore Science question yeah based on. physics okay in theory if you were in. space and you maybe ejaculated is it.

possible that the ejaculate would Propel. you backwards like send you know like is. it propulsion is there enough power in. there to propel you there's only one way. to find out it depends on how long you. hold it in for right like if you didn't. jerk off for like four months and then. you had like the motherload still I mean. you need something to go one way so you. go the other way yeah and Lex had an. answer but I don't know what's the. answer what we had a thought I guess. what if you blow out at the same time.

yeah yeah. yeah I think in Space the the like the. biodynamics of the liquids is different. that's I think there's it's actually. difficult to have sex in space and to. get people pregnant in space anybody. ever gotten pregnant on the space. station are they allowed even to have. sex no nobody has officially had sex in. space officially officially but. unofficially of course people have tried. I wonder if they have I mean how. monitored are they there is a Wikipedia. page about about sex in space and sex.

are pretty detailed but it's Wikipedia. so you know it's half [ __ ] there's. citations I encourage people to to look. into it read in detail I mean it's a. serious problem if you want to you know. colonize space you probably want to have. a lot of sex and yeah get pregnant and. have kids and well don't you think. they'll develop some sort of gravity. generating machines yeah absolutely you. have to like Jeff Bezos talks about this. a lot yeah like how you create. artificial gra gravity in space CU for.

uh for Jeff Bezos the likely way to. colonize space is to have space stations. Elon is more focused on um colonizing. planets Mars yeah so both both are. obviously going to be necessary and you. got to need to have gravity in order to. get laid bro the first people that make. that trip oh yeah Jamie was saying he. wants to. go I know about I mean not that trip but. yeah a trip you go eventually no why not.

oh dude why what if you die out there. okay you're going to die everybody dies. yeah you don't want to die that way dude. if you get to decide one way to die. that's not one of the worst ways oh it's. the worst way you're going to die in. space running out of air you don't know. how it's going to happen could be on. re-entry you could get yeah you could. just cook instantly could be on the way. up you get hit by a micro meteorite. could be while you're asleep up there. could be imagine standing on Mars. looking back at Earth going what the. [ __ ] did I do yeah why did I do this.

yeah and then having kids on Mars anding. kids we came from there you think. homeschooling is. bad how bad space schooling just imagine. the crazy [ __ ] that happens in Mars I. mean it's it's going to be what 100,000. people yeah and so you're going to get. one psycho who's going to run everything. and they're going to take over yeah. probably some cult leader convinces. everybody to do it his way it's going to. be a sex cult 100% 100% and we're back. to sex in space right they're going to. say like listen if Elon is their man.

Elon wants to procreate every chance he. can MH how many kids does he have. now allegedly double digits no we don't. even know how many well cuz they think. he's got secret kids they think who's. they they the [ __ ] people that run. the world is there a Wikipedia page on. this there probably is he's probably got. secret kids secret kids yeah when you. have like what does he have like 300. plus billion dollars Carling you can you. can have a few ladies here there all.

over the place having kids there's a lot. of ladies that just want to have kids. they don't want a guy around yeah. there's a especially when they get a. little older there's a castle in the. south of France with a like a Herm just. a bunch of kid wa for yeah yeah just. waiting for Daddy to allegedly the land. is rocket ship online officially says at. least 12 yeah at least 12 kids see. nobody even knows imagine no one knows. how many kids you have that's kind of. crazy yeah yeah what the the situation.

jenus Khan was in you know well he was. doing it a little differently he was uh. a little bit more forceful actually I. mean there's a lot of different. perspectives on that like I um what's. the the book uh on jenus Khan so first. of all there's obviously the Dan Carlin. Wrath of the K and in that series of. podcast he criticizes the book Jack. Weatherford Weatherford making of the. modern world jenus Khan in the making. the modern world the Mongols and the.

making the modern world yeah so that's. the anal there it is nice that is uh one. of the things that Dan Carlin talks. about that when enough time has passed. that they sort of look at these uh. Marauders and murderers in a different. light and saying oh he opened up trade. to the east sure also killed 10% of the. population of Earth lit people on fire. and LA launched them in on catapults to.

onto thatched roofs well I think uh I. think actually Dan car makes a really. good point how long do you wait until. you know that you could tell these kinds. of stories about Hitler I think that's. example that's he uses but you know you. want to be historically accurate here. and jenas Khan there's a lot of. different perspectives including opening. up trade and including what was the. protocol based on which he was doing the. murder.

so it was very clear before The Invasion. he always said you can uh surrender and. then we would uh not murder anybody you. just have to uh follow the. law and the law was very very sort of. clear and it's it it is. basically enforcing a law of the land so. free trade free practice of religion and. you have to pay taxes and instead of to.

your to your king you have to pay taxes. to the Mongol Empire but did they really. say we won't kill anyone yes 100% that. that's they followed that and this is. very well documented really yes so. everybody could have just laid down and. 10% of the world's population wouldn't. be dead yes really so the the Nuance. there is that sometimes they killed the. upper classes mhm well you know didn't. they kill the Royals by like crushing. them to death they' have lunch over them.

they were listen this is a a different. time but they were brutal if they if. they cuz they want to uh they use fear. as part of the the military tactics. right so they want people to be. terrified and they want people to talk. about how terrifying the Mongol Empire. is so that they forfeit more. easily you know that there's there's a. lot of aspects of it not not to say that. jenin Khan is a feminist but there's a.

lot of progressive aspects like he put a. lot of women in positions of power he. gave a lot of rights to to women this is. a very strange perspective he did a lot. of raping nope there's not his kids it's. I mean it's what do you mean nope when. when he would conquer these places he. would take women and they would become. new wives yeah but it wasn't their call. so that's kind of rapy that's very rapy. yeah so but there's a if you just.

[ __ ] take them and make them have. your kids there's the kind of mass rape. that the Soviet soldiers did at the end. of World War II when they're marching. towards Berlin which. is uh extremely violent vicious and sort. of that kind of rape which is part of. the terror of war and then there's. like. uh creating a harm of women right so. it's it's a. different uh I I think the main point.

is that you know this is something you. talk about that you know a large percent. of the population as that one study from. like 20 years ago found our descendants. of jenas Khan huge yeah I think the way. to do. that is to uh is to make everybody who's. your. descendant popular within the culture. like you can't you can't have that many. uh be have your DNA propagate throughout.

Civilization by raping you have to have. everybody who like uh to have a high uh. status for people that are associated. with jenus Khan you can't have that kind. of thing with uh fear you can only do it. with respect and high status and he for. several Generations created an Empire. that was. flourishing okay you're kind of. whitewashing that no well I mean they. killed a million people in Jinn China.

and turn their bones into a stack a pile. that they recognized as snow covered. mountains from the distance that's what. they thought it was until they got up on. it when the shaw of. Charisma came there to check it out he's. like where is everybody they had abandon. the roads because there were so many. dead bodies that the roads had. deteriorated into. muck yeah let me actually sort of. backtrack a little bit here because I'm. I'm I'm uncomfortable because I'm deeply. involved in the uh the military Affairs.

of modern day and so there's a kind of I. was just kind of having fun yes there. was mass murder yeah that was happening. it was vicious and we could and I'm not. a scholar of jenas Khan uh I was simply. saying that uh it's interesting how. history looks at these different Empires. for example we venerate the Roman Empire. not we but ancient Greece and they were. equally if not more brutal in their. Conquest and their destruction I me.

there's never really been a time where. there was a leading superpower that. wasn't brutal it's it's I think become. less and less brutal over time and. people document this sort of war the. number of people as percent of the. population killed is less and less but. what about laws Ukraine and Russia like. how many people have died all told. between the two it's got to be close to. a million it's over a million casualties. which includes death and uh injuries and.

the. estimates vary but I think a good. estimate is over 400,000 total maybe. over 500,000 on both sides and the dead. on the Ukraine side is probably 1/3 or. 1/4 of the total Dead really so 3/4 of. them on the Russian side on the Russian. side what do what do you attribute that. to I think there's military Scholars. that understand this really well I think.

in general the invading Force loses more. people than the defending Force that's. one aspect of course the Ukrainian. military will say it's about the. effectiveness of the the Ukrainian. military and also one of the other. things they say is that the the medical. capabilities so the Medics are really. strong on the Ukrainian side which is. also tragic because you're able to save. lives but you have the the injuries the. the pain of War you know the that uh the.

veterans have to go through so they're. able to save lives more effectively also. right but there is a big characteristic. of uh the invading Force usually loses. more people what was it like um going. over there and interviewing. zalinski so I should say I went to. Ukraine twice after February 24th 2022. Invasion and uh. maybe it's good for me to also say Where.

I Come From because it's surreal to be. there for me both my parents are from. Ukraine from from Kev and harv these are. towns in Ukraine cities in. Ukraine um I've been there many times I. myself was born in Tajikistan speaking. of uh jenas Khan and uh I lived there at. Tajikistan and by the way I'm. regretting defending jenas Khan in this. conversation for fun he didn't really. defend yeah I I I want to be sort of say.

that over and over again war is hell and. uh it's I'm almost a tension between how. much Roman Empire Caesar and these folks. are venerated and jenas Khan is seen as. this Barbarian that was just destroying. and raping and so on they were. all horrible vicious warmongers all of. them yeah yeah anyway uh uh Tajikistan. and I live for a time in Kev and another. for a time in Moscow I have family in.

Ukraine I have family in Russia and so. um and I should say in World War. II uh a lot of my family was slaughtered. in uh Babar which is a ravine in um Kiev. where they gather people around the. Nazis and they just put them in this. Ravine and just shot them and then put. another layer of humans told them to get. naked and face down lay face down and. Slaughter and Slaughter like this this.

mass mass mass Graves Mass Slaughter and. uh my grandfather fought the. Nazis he's a machine gunner which he's. one of the few that survives which is uh. the reason I'm here that they basically. try to hold off the the Nazi. Armada um and that the The Surreal. aspect of all this is the same land you. know I I just still remember the song uh.

it's 22nd of. June uh the bombing bombing at at at. 4:00 a.m. the bombing bombing of Kev. began so this is in 1941 June 22nd just. imagine speaking of jenus Khan complete. surprise just the Nazi Armada just like. just caling the operation. Barbarosa this massive military force. Force invading your land it's it's Kiev.

and there's these the greatest the. biggest battles of all time were in this. land the Battle of Kev the the Battle of. Stalingrad the Battle of Moscow we're. talking about hundreds of thousands of. millions of people just slaughtering. each other and and the way Hitler of. course approached the battle and so just. Stalin is nobody surrenders it's there's. no uh it's all in Slaughter it doesn't. matter if it's winter it doesn't matter. if there's no guns it doesn't matter.

it's just EV Victory or death on both. sides and so it's just brutal War so. this is the land right this is and I. have you know for a lot of people in. this land this history is part of them. it's it's part it's part of their blood. they they remember these struggles they. remember. this this political this geopolitical. this military this social this this is. real this is like imagine the it's. because recent imagine the United States. living maybe a few decades after the.

Civil War you remember you you remember. the the the you know you have relatives. that died you have you remember the real. the real hatred the real tensions the. real the real battle so yeah it was uh. it was surreal to be back there and to. try to do what I was doing which is. uh to push for. peace. since there's probably a lot to say. uh about this War I should say that I.

interviewed Vladimir Vladimir zalinski. and I will be traveling to Russia to. interview Vladimir. Putin uh. and I. the I'm aware of the risks I accept the. risks and the goal the mission is to. just push for peace to do my small part. in pushing for peace and that's what I. was trying to do this conversation and.

it required just a huge amount of. preparation for people who don't know. maybe I'll lay. out where there was opportunities for. Peace So since the beginning of the war. February 24th 2022 I think there was. three. moments to make peace uh from the. perspective of Ukraine you want to make. peace uh from strength so when you're in. a position of strength the first time to. make peace was uh March Mar and April of.

2022 uh when the Ukrainian forces were. able to successfully defend the north. defend Kiev there is this huge. optimism uh this belief that we're could. push back this gigantic Russian military. that's a place for leverage and the. confidence both of the US funding the. European militaries and the Ukrainian. military that we can win this this is. when you make peace when there is. uh when there is a perception in the.

reality of strength the second time was. in the fall of. 2022 when uh there was a successful. counter offensive by the Ukrainian. forces that recaptured uh harv and hon. this is um the South and the east of. Ukraine and there was this real sense. that we could uh that the Ukrainian. forces can defeat the Russian forces. huge optimism uh a lot of pressure from. the US to to make peace then this is the.

strength and perhaps the weakness of uh. vadir zalinski who I do think is a. historic figure and a great leader is. that he one deeply emotionally. feels the suffering of the people and. the loss that war creates and he. single-handedly has to unite the nation. and carry the will of a people and the. morale of people has to lift the morale.

of a people and that kind of man. struggles to make peace because he. understand he he wants Justice not peace. and so from a position of strength there. he wants to go further recapture all of. the land that he sees belongs to Ukraine. but that's exactly when you make. peace and so his very strength a man. that stayed in. Kiev that said you know [ __ ] you we're. not going to uh we're going to win this.

that kind of man that lifted the whole. nation that United the whole nation that. man is is also struggled to make peace. and so the third time to make peace. after after all of that the Russian. military regrouped and has been. um uh capturing land gradually so the. the third time to make peace is. now uh the Trump Administration. there's a momentum they want to make.

peace he want he he's a a great. dealmaker he wants to end Wars in all. parts of the world he's made the deal in. Gaza now made the deal in Gaza and. that's super complicated situation too. because they made a ceasefire deal with. the hostages but like uh isn't but isn't. it amazing that the Biden administr. Biden administration had two years. couldn't get anything done and Trump. kids had done it today he was saying.

that he was going to be able to do that. and everybody dismissed it yeah and I I. think there's a a political battle and. now taking credit for who made the. ceasefire which I think is silly it's of. course you're going to have that yeah. Biden is the president he's still the. president for another few days the the. the point is with Donald Trump there's a. real will and a momentum to make peace. there's a respect there's a fear there's. you know uh whatever you think about. Donald Trump he is this person that.

world leaders respect in in the full. meaning of the word respect not like. admire but. fear uh I think both zalinski and Putin. fear Donald Trump and that's a great. person to then make peace because he has. the lever all of them believe Putin and. zalinski that Trump can do some crazy. [ __ ] and he probably would but he. doesn't want to right difference that's.

a very unique position that he's in. where they're afraid of him but yet he. wants peace exactly yeah and so this is. the time and if you don't make peace now. what's going to happen is the funding. from us and the support from us is going. to dwindle. gradually and uh Putin is willing and. able to just wait and to let the war. continue for months and for. years and meanwhile. people are dying every single day yeah.

thousands of people what's horrible. about this war too is there's GoPro. footage yeah there's a lot of cell phone. footage there's a lot of GoPro foot I've. watched too much of it. unfortunately but it's uh it's rough man. it's it's a horrible war and it's a war. that's so confusing over here for. especially to the uninitiated for the. people that are just like kind of. reading the newspaper and getting a is a. sort of a cursory understanding of what. happened happened Russia invaded why you.

know what' they do and then you you got. to get into the whole us back coup in. 2014 and then you have to think about. NATO and the agreement that was made the. fall of um uh you know when um The Wall. came down in. Berlin the agreement that NATO would not. push forth and move closer to Russia. which they violated over and over and. over again the whole thing is so. complicated uh that it takes forever.

just to sort of get an understanding of. the pieces that are involved forget. about like who's responsible for what. but just like how many different things. are. happening you know simultaneously that. are forcing Putin's hand now zelinsky's. hand and just to be on this side of the. world watching it take place it's almost. unbelievable it's so hard to believe. that Russia and Ukraine uh which were. both a part of the Soviet Union just not. that long ago while during my lifetime.

now they're at War and I should say that. I. believe so how do you handle situations. like this I believe us actually gave not. enough money to. Ukraine they should have given more. money hit really hard and then make. peace this is the point a month or two. after the start of the war you can learn. the same kind of lesson with Iraq and. Afghanistan that there's no reason those. uh those invasions those military. operations there's no other way there's.

no other way than just give money give. money and and hit hard there's no other. way what about avoid it avoid it yeah. what about have NATO back. out uh uh well a lot of this is about. diplomatic rhetoric and yes NATO was. consistently talking [ __ ] to Putin and. and that's not like a lot of this is. about diplomacy right and you can't just. uh you can't just pressure. with with words I mean for for some.

people it's it seems almost silly that. you need to show respect to world. leaders but there needs to be shown real. respect Putin has laid out the interest. of the uh the Russian Federation he said. he's been very clear about what the. interests are they they want their. security to be respected they want their. Nation to be respected he's is very. clear and simply at the negotiation. table he just needs to be respected like. his perspective needs to be understood.

and heard you can't just say Putin is. evil bad guy authoritarian hates Freedom. we need to destroy him this kind of this. whole vibe and energy you come this. idealistic sense that you bring to the. table you have to respect leaders you. have to respect xiin ping you have to. respect Putin when you're at the. negotiation table not when you're on. Twitter and X or talking [ __ ] or. historians or activists fine you can. criticize as much as you want as vicious.

as you want you can mock artists can. mock as much as they want comedians. doesn't matter when you're a world. leader and you come to the table you. have to show respect you have to treat. other world leaders as funny as is to. say the way you want to be treated with. respect it's not funny at all yeah makes. sense and and if you want to get things. done if you want if you want to get. things done and more importantly if you. want the in this war for the death to. end one of the things I kept pushing in. almost childlike way with zinski is.

getting him to open himself up for peace. because he kept shutting it down he kept. mocking Putin he kept criticizing Putin. which is okay it's okay to sort of. criticize and say that there's war. crimes that that there's real uh vicious. violence and destructions happening but. along that there has to be a door open. of respect of I'm willing to come to the. table to negotiate and respect the other.

the other nation's. interests uh as opposed to saying I'm. only going to talk to the United States. you have to be open to to. negotiate because there had. unfortunately this is the [ __ ]. of peace is you have to compromise you. have to sit across the table as as a. world leader with a person you might. [ __ ] hate because un unlike Putin I. should say zalinski goes to the front. he talks to the soldiers he sees the.

dead bodies he talks to the civilians. the mothers that lost their children the. wives the that lost their husband right. th this person who's an empath who's an. emotional being he's wearing all that in. his mind like there's a real pain there. like he's tortured tormented by this if. you're a leader you have to put all that. aside and you have to sit and save your. nation by. compromising that's it and that that's. the hard thing of it.

especially now there's an opportunity. where the Trump figure rolls in who. wants to make. peace you have to use this opportunity. yeah and it's tough It's very very tough. yeah you're putting it. mildly very tough what what do you think. Trump can do now when he gets what what. could possibly if. zilinski wants Victory they want revenge. what can Trump do to sort of like bring.

peace to the. table I think uh some of these Notions. sound. naive uh but literally meet which they. haven't been meeting so meet with Putin. meet with zinski they haven't been. meeting at all no well so zalinski comes. down with they've been meeting with. zinski but there was no meeting with. Putin I think the right thing to do is. to go to uh whether it's Switzerland or. or turkey Istanbul or uh Minsk and.

like the biggest thing for me would be. literally the three of them sit. together I think I I trust in uh Trump's. negotiation ability and the the carrot. and the Stick of the of the United. States military and the United States. economy uh for being able to control oil. prices being able to control trade with. tariffs being able to threaten military.

force and funding and so on plus. sanctions all of this you you can roll. in with that cared and stick implied or. made implic implicit or explicit and. just sit at the table and talk like. human beings and show each other respect. like that you know is is one of the. things that actually Co did there's. something that happens where remote. communication just is not it like the. the silly thing about this podcast being. in person right there's a real power.

there everything else is you know like. [ __ ] with a condom like you have to. you have you have to show up it's part. of the reason it's more like jerking off. with a condom on jerking off with a it's. not even [ __ ] with a condom on for. the metaphor yeah as part of the reason. I wanted to talk to president zinski in. Russian which I speak fluently and he. speaks fluent it's his primary. language uh for people seem to. misunderstand this on the internet. he spoke Russian his whole life that's.

his main language he speaks with his. wife with his whole staff with all of. this this this is his language uh it's. just that now the Ukrainian language has. become a symbol of Independence so. they're fighting for their independence. for their sovereignty I understand it. but you know um so he spoke with you in. Ukrainian he kept going back and forth. but yeah most of the powerful things. were said in Ukrainian so I'm listening. to an interpreter through a shitty. headset the interpreter's not for give. me to The Interpreter he's not very good.

he's delayed there's noise God but. wouldn't it make more sense if he spoke. to you in a language that you understand. yeah this we really tried but this is a. man once again like he's uh he's the. leader of a nation in a time of war and. he's not stylistically who he is like. he's all in this is like a Braveheart. type character playoffs we're talking. about playoffs you bet we are get in on. the action with draftking sports book an. official sports betting partner of the.

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in Ontario bonus bets expire 168 hours. after issuance four additional terms and. responsible gaming resources see. dk. audio uh I which is so crazy because. he started his career as a comedian. right all right I mean this you never. know you never know who the who the. leaders are that step up I think you. know a lot of people sort of say that. it's trivial that he stayed in Kev when. the the Russian military invaded to me. it's not trivial trivial at all I think.

that's a truly heroic act to stay when. you know when nobody knows what's going. to happen and all the experts are saying. KV is going to be taken to stay as a. leader in that same place where you were. the night before like working and not. flee when everybody the CIA everybody's. telling you to flee to stay there like a. bad [ __ ] and actually go outside. and film yourself speaking to the nation. that we're going to win this we're going.

to hold strong that's a that's an insane. thing to do and maybe it does require. like it's a trump level Insanity right. it's similar to me to the Trump standing. up when there's still bullets flying and. saying fight fight fight right that's a. where do that come from I don't know but. most people don't have that right it's. nice when it was refreshing uh it was. refreshing when you see that holy [ __ ]. yes we want that guy yeah and he really.

United a nation he the nation was. fracturing he was actually not popular. at all up to that war because uh the the. policies he was trying were not. working what policy specifically so his. uh so the stuff that was working I don't. know the internals of the uh Ukrainian. politics that well but uh so he won in. 2019 based on his desire to fight. corruption and to modernize Ukrainian. digital system which he did very.

successfully it's actually super. interesting you can um they have a app. called Dia which your passport all your. identification it's all app applified. which I don't understand why they you. United States doesn't have that you can. like update your license you can get. your. license uh like instantly through it's. like the 21st century version of what. government should work um like the. reason they did that is it's a way to. fight corrup coruption it's a way like. if whenever you have paperwork there's.

uh a place for corruption to seep in so. he was very serious about fighting. corruption and that's the other thing is. there is corruption in. Ukraine there's not as much as people. perceive it's but it's a serious problem. especially it less now than. before well I see I I want I want to be. careful here because I don't like it's. very difficult to know the perception. there's are serious concern concern. about corruption in a time of War.

there's always going to be more. corruption United States spent $9. trillion on the war in Afghanistan Iraq. in the Middle East after 911 on that. part of the world they spent $9 trillion. dollar and it's growing you think all. that money you've had a lot of guests on. this program talking about how that. money was used there's a lot of shady. [ __ ] that happened oh yeah War breathes. corruption this is one of the reasons. you should be concerned about the. military-industrial complex is cuz that.

money is just not used well right uh but. that that's all that's a discussion the. reality of corruption in Ukraine is it. should be dealt with after you make. peace all the problems the the elections. were suspended to the ideas of democracy. there is censorship in Ukraine now all. of those ideas cannot be all of those. things cannot be fixed until the war is. ended the reason there is censorship now.

in Ukraine is because it's it's a it's a. war like you. can't the ideas of democracy in part. have to be suspended during a war to. effectively fight that war this is uh. this is the whole idea of Martial law. the United States has this you you don't. you don't [ __ ] around you have to win. the war when your land is invaded you. have to every uh everybody has to be. focused on this the problem is it's a. slippery slope when uh all the media.

channels are being. controlled and the the. president and everybody is so invested. in quote unquote winning the war then. where are the critical voices that say. we need peace right they're they're. coming from the outside but you need. that the thing is it's it's a really. complicated tension right you. don't during the war or with martial law. you do want to suspend elections.

potentially it's it's a really difficult. tradeoff United States has the same. thing if we were to be invaded I don't. know by by who this is not you know if. Canada invaded I don't want to make a. joke out of this but there's going to be. a. yeah quick fight yeah exactly but like. there there would be a martial. law where elections would be delayed or. suspended and so on so all those. criticisms all those. concerns can can only be dealt with once.

you make peace yeah and in terms of Cor. in terms of corruption just. my there's a lot of people that know. zalinsky well and that this has been my. impression having met. him. there I don't think he and I've not. heard anybody that knows him well say. that he's personally corrupt and this is. really important like he himself is not. personally corrupt and he's he leg. genely is fighting corruption now he's. in a system that has.

corruption uh Russia has corruption it's. really difficult to weed out corruption. but he legitimately at least to me. that's really important that he as a. single human being and the people really. close around him like really close that. c corruption start to seep in of course. when you uh go further out but in in. that direct human. being that he is not personally corrupt. he uh like finan speaking he singularly. believes in the.

idea of Ukraine as a as a Sovereign. Nation and he's willing to die for that. idea that is his strength and that is. also his weakness when it's time to make. peace when you are preparing to do. something like this and you are you know. you're doing your research you're you're. getting ready to go do it what what are. your concerns other than your own. physical saf safety of course but like. what what do what is your like.

ultimately what's your concerns what are. your goals when you're setting out to do. this because this is very different than. any other kind of podcast interview it's. um it's there's no other format really. where a world leader in the middle of a. a huge International conflict is going. to sit down for three. hours and uh talk to an American.

scientist which is weird too right it's. like why are you doing it you know what. I mean like what this guy who works in. AI just decides he's going to start a. podcast the podcast becomes very. successful and all of a sudden he's like. I'd like to talk to everybody I'd like. to go over and talk to zalinski and talk. to Putin and everybody's like why you. what the [ __ ] are you doing so you get a. lot of that and then unfortunately for. you you read the com ments so you get. sucked into all that.

negativity yeah I mean there's there's a. lot to say there first of all on the. comments side I always have a little Joe. Rogan on my shoulder saying don't read. the comments don't read the comments and. um in this situation it's especially. intense yeah I I should say like. privately after I did the conversation. with zalinsky every single person that. knows the situation well knows me. personally has written to me and it's. all been really positive like really. positive almost like in the desert.

wanting water positive because there's a. lot of voices that are afraid to speak. that want peace sure but online this is. something we talked about offline a. little bit there there's just like these. like swarms of people that are like not. even necessarily people that's I I I. don't want to sort of go too far in that. t territory assuming that anybody who. criticized me is a bot no but but there. is I'm not saying that but there's a an. enormous element of that that's real. whether it's Bots or whether it's hired.

people paid propagandists the the. conversation is not a pure conversation. between people expressing their ideas. there's a lot of propaganda online and. it's very. confusing to try to discern what the. percentage is you know we've talked. about this a bunch of times in the. podcast but there was a former FBI. analyst who estimated that it's on. Twitter alone this is before the. purchase he believed it was around 80%. so 80% fake accounts 80% not just.

propaganda like government propaganda. but most certainly corporations are. hiring people to do similar things I'm. sure um there's companies that will do. that for public figures actors you know. people that are involved in Conflict. this is part of the Blake Lively um. dispute is that she is accusing that. Justin baldon actor of an organized. attack on her which is probably what it.

feels like anyway when you're involved. in something on social media like oh my. God this is organized where they're. attacking you. but it's uh it's a very confusing. landscape and ideally what we would want. with social media is different people. informed and not uninformed but at least. expressing their ideas on things and. exchanging information back and forth. and talking. it's not the whole story though there's.

a lot of other players involved that are. not real there's there's AI for sure. there's uh there's definitely large. language models that are involved in. this back and forth with you know. Automation and you know they look out. for certain code words and these these. accounts attack certain ideas so it's. hard to know like what the actual will. of the people is yeah I mean it's.

definitely true and I've seen a lot of. evidence of this that there's Ukrainian. bot farms and Russian bot Farms have you. spoke to Elon about this about bot Farms. yeah because like he knows a lot more. now of course right because there was. the big concern when he was buying. Twitter they were trying to say that it. was 5% it was only 5% Bots and they were. doing that an extremely low sample size. they were doing it off of 100 people so. they got 100 people and out of those 100. people five of them they determined were. Bots and so they went with 5% which is. just ridiculous you know you're dealing.

with how many people are on Twitter. every day like What's the total Twitter. audience it's not as big as Facebook. right Facebook is 3.2 billion worldwide. which is unbelievable I think X has a a. smaller number but very influential and. very active yeah very active very. influential 245 daily. active um what is the total amount of. accounts on it though because you know.

there's daily active and then there's. just people that just read them there's. a lot of people that just. read. 54156 million monthly active users so. again that's active. users so um total users What's the total. users see it's all active I want to know. accounts. that's the only I don't. uh they delete counts all the time right.

yeah they definitely do so they must. have some sort of a system where they. weed out Bots and you know there's a lot. of concern right now on Twitter about. censorship you know this is I'm I try to. stay out of Twitter as much as I can. honestly because I think it's bad for. your mental health I really do I think. people just barking at each other all. day is not good to absorb I want to. absor absorb real people that I interact. with I want to I mean I try to pay.

attention to the news I try to uh pay. attention to whatever controversial. ideas are out there and try to see what. I think but I don't think it's good to. dive in to social media all day I think. it's uniquely bad and I think so many. people are involved in it and they don't. realize that they're they're poisoning. their brain just like they would poison. their body if they were eating junk food. all day I think it's genuinely bad for. you yeah I mean and you and I are and.

also in a particular you know doing a. podcast and we're also very different. human beings I would say your. psychologic your psychological fortitude. is is uh pretty strong like and I'm more. I wear my heart or my sleeve maybe a. little bit more and when if I like [ __ ]. gets to me mhh. and and you know when you try to put. compassion out there in the world the. way in the way I did especially with. this conversation with zinsky the.

attacks like you just have to recognize. who the kind of people that are doing. that are yeah you know those are just. really weak people really weak. psychologically damaged mentally ill. people that are probably medicated I. sort of to push back I think some of. them are actually uh good sophisticated. people they're just acting not their. best selves like I've seen this there's. people that are like I know them. personally and online they just like the. worst [ __ ] comes out of them well.

because they're mentally ill and but. then all of us are a bit mentally ill. yeah well we're all a little mentally. ill like no one is enlightened that I've. met I've never met one person who's. perfect right I don't think it's. possible with this journey that we're on. as these meat Vehicles these Soul. carrying meat Vehicles navigating a very. confusing world I don't think it's. possible to be perfect but you can have. a desire to be a good person and some. people don't have that and the excuse.

that they always use is uh I mean this. is the Donald Trump excuse you do. anything you can to stop Hitler you know. right and this is this is why they want. to conflate and they always want to. pretend that everyone's Hitler the. problem with that is just after a while. it's crying wolf and people like oh this. is a [ __ ] game you're playing and. you're just using it as an excuse elon's. talked about this a lot about and he's. he absolutely correct is that people. use um woke ideology as an excuse to be.

an [ __ ] and it's really just people. that are [ __ ] that are attaching. themselves to things that make them feel. righteous and so they wrap themselves in. this idea to to give them virtue and to. allow them to say the most awful things. about other people that have different. perspectives and then just by Nature if. you're doing that you're doing the wrong. thing you're a bad person you can. justify it all you want you can find.

people that agree with you all you want. but those people also are on the right. track or the wrong track rather the. people that are listening to you and. agreeing with you they're on the wrong. track they're the wrong track if we want. to be collectively a kind compassionate. cohesive Society a community of human. beings that all live together that's. totally possible if you can do it in. small groups of people you can do it in. enormous groups of people it just has to. be an ethic that gets promoted it has to. be something that you you see people.

that you admire adhere to and and you do. it as well whenever. someone goes outside of that and. whenever someone starts making horrific. unfounded personal attacks because. someone has a different political. ideology or you know just going after. them every day all day long like you're. just broken you're just you're on the. wrong path period and intelligent. whereare people that have control of. their emotions recognize that and. they're not going to take your.

perspective seriously so you're going to. be less and less effective with what you. do and in general the failure mode is to. paint the world to draw a line between. good and evil yeah whether it's the line. in geography Russians Putin is evil or. if it's Trump trump is evil right the. version of that is Hitler so I'm I'm a. big proponent of SOI nen's famous uh the. the author of gulak archipelago that.

that the line between good and evil runs. to the heart of every man that all of us. have that in us and yes to. be it is good to be humble by that. reality and if you are humbled by that. reality then you're not going to see any. other people as purely evil or purely. good all of that that kind of thing is. used to just to just just um to hate. others yeah yeah and even when it's.

unfounded you know even like I'm. watching the Pete heith um the the. confirmation. hearings and they these ignorant people. are going after his tattoo not even. knowing what the tattoo is and trying to. pretend that it's some sort of radical. hateful tattoo when it's just an ancient. Christian tattoo. it's so strange I mean that tattoo is in.

churches that that symbols in churches. that symbols that symbol's been around. for a long [ __ ] time it's just a. Christian tattoo and uh I was watching. the Pierce Morgan show and Pierce Morgan. Had Michael nolles and these uh two. super whack and Dave Rubin and two super. wacky leftist people that didn't know. what the tattoo was and they were. criticizing and Pierce Mor kep what is. the tattoo what is it tell me what it.

and they would the guy would like go on. you're not answering the question go. back to it what is it he well let's look. it up he's like no no no no don't look. it up I want you to tell me if you're. saying it's offensive and so then the. woman chimes in and Michael nolles just. clowns her just absolutely knows the. history of the tattoo including like you. know she's talking about it before it. existed before Islam you know and she's. criticizing what it is and he's like do. do you understand that Islam didn't.

exist when this tattoo when this symbol. existed like it's not an anti-muslim. symbol because there was no Muslims when. this symbol was created like this is. Bonkers and they are all in digging. their heels in pretending just trying to. win this conversation just trying to win. and Pierce Morgan's doing that he's like. the Jerry Springer of political ideology. now he just has people get on the show. and yell at each it's very entertaining. and he gets Great Sound Bites out of it. it's kind of Genius in terms of like an.

engagement perspective if you looked at. your show as just like how do I get more. engagement well that's how you do it you. get some wacky leftist going to say. nutty things you get some right-wing. person it's going to say nutty things. and you get them all together yelling at. each other I wish he did less of that I. should say that Pierce Morgan I think is. a great interviewer like he's legit a. great interviewer but he also has he can. put on his Jerry Springer hat on too he. making money listen I mean he does I. mean he does both he does do long form. great interviews so that's he's found.

his Lane all right his Lane is Jerry. Springer but he's doing a good job. exposing these people it's very valuable. like that conversation was very valuable. for me because I was like this is. adorable watching this guy like flounder. around trying to come up with a reason. why this tattoo is so offensive yeah but. see what I don't like about that is that. guy is floundering but there could be. actually facets to that person outside. of the. Ridiculousness that's interesting right. you got to cleanse that from your mind.

son if you want if you want to be the. guy who's on television talking about. important issues and you've got this. stupid thing in your head where you're. arguing about a tattoo that you don't. even understand yeah you got to cleanse. that stupidity out of your [ __ ] mind. and sometimes the best way to do that is. to get clowned on television true so you. got exposed she got exposed they both. look like morons and then Michael noas. who did a fantastic job of like smiling. never raising his voice calmly.

explaining it have you seen it no I. haven't this see if you can find it Jam. it's pretty wonderful Michael nolas is a. pro he's a pro the way he handled it was. remarkable and I know people criticize. that guy but [ __ ] people criticize. everybody I'm just saying in this moment. don't read the comments Joe yeah don't. read the comments yeah um yeah even. about other people right well that's the. thing I think you said that you. sometimes read comments for friends of. yours like yeah I don't even like doing. that I try not to do that too this is.

the thing that bothers me about comments. is I don't read them but like I don't. know my mom will read them and she'll. she'll text me something like don't. listen to what people say it's okay my. mom will send me things is this true. like Mom come on this is the yeah this. is. it this is wonderful watch this the two. people on the far right of the screen. the lady in the pink jacket and the dude. with the beard they're [ __ ] they got. cooked you could accuse Pete of is being.

too alert and energetic I found it. overwhelming actually while I was there. tired trying to dust the sand out of my. eyes but you you suggest that the. graduate of Princeton in Harvard who for. decades has been in the US military. served his country honorably uh that. he's somehow unqualified to work uh at. the Pentagon uh the the most egregious. accusation you make against him though. is that he's an extremist because he has. a tattoo could you tell us what the. tattoo. is uh the tattoos specifically I did not.

make the the allegation that he's an. extremist it was. actually call him as an Insider threat. yeah right so what's the I can tell you. it say it was his. fellow is. thisit hang simple question what is this. tattoo that you're so upset about. I wasn't the one upset about it I was. talking about his fellow colleague this.

is exactly what I said his fellow. colleague you know what he was in the US. Army called him out as a potential. Insider threat looking at the tattoos on. his chest also I called him an extremist. based upon his own book read the. bookto if you don't know what the tattoo. is just admit it oh my Lord listen. awesome is genuinely. intrigu when the lady talk. spoken yet a woman has Spen a woman. hasn't spoken yet a woman hasn't spoken.

yet let her speak a woman hasn't spoken. yet be honest with do I did I did hear. him answer it but they were all talking. over each other he I say the words yeah. they weren't talking about the cross. they're talking about a different tattoo. yeah well she is talking about that as. well she's but it'll go on to that. actually know what that tattoo is or not. listen what I do know is I read his book. and in his book if you read americ. crusade in his book wait a second his.

book be honest I am. look bending for Donald Trump putting. our national security at risk for Pete. hexon I'm telling you everything and you. guys are finding ways to spend why are. you guys okay with a who has an NDA with. a woman allegedly sexually. assult is you got upet about no it goes. further see if you can find where the. woman speaking cuz it gets even more. brutal because she's Incorrect and.

Michael noes corrects her and when he. corrects her it's [ __ ] great that's. it's a good way to expose see if you can. find the other one jerie very narrow I'm. a change agent. and it's going to be in here I got where. I it's the whole show it's an hour long. show they're all talking the entire. click right there I I'll know where it. is what is the what is this Falls along. this Falls along a threat as an inside. Pete as a potential you had 98 chances.

to he failed the test sorry I'm going to. Mel don't talk over each other that the. the tattoo in question the tattoo in. question is called a Jerusalem cross uh. that this is a medieval Christian symbol. goes back a long time in fact at Jimmy. Carter's funeral there was a Jerusalem. cross on the floor of the cathedral and. on the program for the funeral there's. one other tattoo that some have. suggested could be extremist it's the. phrase Deus vault which is a medieval. Christian slogan a long traditional.

slogan that refers to uh God's Will and. it goes back a long way these are very. traditional very mainstream Christian. symbols uh that not only are not extreme. in any way but which even the people who. want to accuse him of extremism couldn't. possibly name that is pathetic all right. his Insider Guardsman did it which is. what I said and also I said that he. called himself too extreme for the US. military in his book that's pathetic. okay so you're going to is Pete HX lying. that he's too extreme in his book let me. go to Julie's Been Waiting for R let me.

go to Julie. J be gentlemanly please we have a lady. who's not spoken Julie be waiting very. patiently your view of. this I'll tell you what before you. answer I know you said in your substack. about this under normal circumstances he. Pete Heth would be precluded from. serving in any leadership role so. explain why you why you said that. well let me I I will explain one second. let me go back to something that was. said in the very beginning that he spent.

more than 10 years at Fox News and. that's what qualifies him to be in uh in. this position that he wants to be in I. spent more than 10 years at Fox News I. don't think I'm qualified to run the dod. whatsoever I said that was one of the. things if if you if you well I don't. think that's even a remote qualification. that's one being able to communicate. ideas as the Secretary of Defense and. explain policy is actually a very big. part of the job plenty there are plenty. of qualified Republicans out there who.

can run the dod who also are good on. television it does not need to be P Heth. secondly again you talked about ndas I. am Bound by an NDA Fox News if I were. not bound by an NDA and a Fox News. wanted to release me from the NDA I. could tell you about my time with Pete. hex unfortunately that's not possible. but I will say that the reason that. there are so many people who anonymously. came forward at Fox news is that because. they're also Bound by confidentiality. Provisions which one third thir of All. American workers need to sign on their. first day of work and if they were to go. public they could get sued the reason.

this accuser is not heard from is. because according to the New Yorker she. tried desperately to meet with Joanie. Ernst on the committee and Joanie Ernst. turned her down so the reason that she. has not been able to come out publicly. is because she has an NDA and even. privately she could not meet with a. senator on this committee who's also. rape Survivor to share her story because. that rape Survivor did not want to hear. from a woman who was going to put her. potentially in a position to vote.

against Pete hex Pete hex has written. himself while at Princeton saying that. women who are passed out if you have sex. with them while they're unconscious. that's not really rape right now the. American Military is that written. tremendous I don't know it doesn't sound. true but yeah yeah it's hard to say but. scoot ahead to where they just start. discussing the tattoo I don't I don't. know it's it's in the same flow it's not. that far away this is definitely not a.

good format though no well at least they. letting her talk you just go have your. way with that not really so I don't know. which soldiers you've been talking to. who think Pete hex is a great thing for. the military there are not there's not. one woman out there who cares about. being assaulted on deployment who thinks. that this is the person that needs to be. in charge of the United States military. and ask for the cross that you talked. about yes J bolt which is the cross that. he has and the slogan that he has D's. vault is is an old Christian cross the. part the part the phrase excuse me the.

phrase the phrase however was uttered by. Crusaders as they were slaughtering Jews. and Muslims during the Second Crusade. specifically so it's not just a random. cross that is not just a random phrase. that isn't true the phrase that is. phrase the phrase was uttered after the. Council of Claremont when Pope Urban II. declared the Crusade and it was actually. probably du laul but it's it's been. rendered Latin as V nothing to do slaugh. nothing to do slaughtering Muslims.

because the Muslims had invaded Europe. not the other way. around oh my God are you really qu are. you really saying that the reason the. Crusade which was sent to the Holy Land. to liberate the holy land from whom from. Jews and Muslims The Crusade because the. Eastern I'll tell you why the Crusade. The Crusade began because the Eastern. Emperor asked for help from the uh. Western Pope because the celic Turks. were slaughtering Christians in the Holy. Land because those lands were Christian. before the Muslims invaded in the. seventh century so that's why good to.

know Michael's. get those those lands those lands no no. keep going became those lands became. Christian after the first crusade okay. so the lands were Christian the first. and second centuries and then the. Muslims Islam didn't exist before the. 7th Century what are you talking about. okay I could go listen listen I can go. all day talk about the Crusades but the. point is I. people people should what that but what.

that has to do with what that has to do. with Pete Heath is it's not that he has. a random cross that talks about his. faith in Jesus Christ he used a very. specific terminology but putting all was. first uttered to defend persecuted. Christians in the Middle East just like. they're being persecuted today okay if. if if if okay you want talk that's who. you want as a secretary of defense. wonderful someone who. defend about the Crusade finish your. point and I'll go I'll go to Michael uh. to to to my point is that I cannot even.

I cannot even believe that something the. Vatican apologized for is something. you're defending which is the slaughter. Muslims during the Crusades the ex the. Vatican said the Crusade Oh my Jesus you. know what why don't you why don't you. give me a call after this and I will. walk you through exactly let's try bring. things. back but if you want if you want we do a. separate Crusades debate another time. let me bring Dave Ruben the worst way to. have a conversation it's I me I'm. getting a headache from this like [ __ ]. [ __ ] these people [ __ ] all [ __ ] that.

whole panel I'm sorry but like you can't. you can't talk like this each of those. individual people I'm not sure about the. second guy from even even the woman. would be a fascinating four five hour. conversation chill you should probably. have her on yeah well her and mol and. Piers Morgan yes this is not the right. and I'm so exhausted this [ __ ]. [ __ ] I can't I'm I'm like angry. right now I know I want I want to play. more for you. publish a column saying sex with. unconscious women isn't rape Jesus.

imagine not just thinking that but. publishing. it yeah I mean what did he actually say. you want to read it we can read. it uh well rate and quotes. intercourse bemusing yet mandatory. orientation program revolved entirely. around whether in an instance of sexual. in Intercourse constituted rape the. actual instance portrayed in the skit. was in fact was a skit in CL in fact not. a clear case of rape at least not in my.

home state so this is hexus saying this. in short though intercourse was not. consented to there was no duress because. the girl drank herself into. unconsciousness both criteria must be. satisfied for rape unfortunately the. panelist never cited any legal. definition of rape yet the panel all. females in the session I attended. claimed that rape it. was huh what year was this. so are they talking about this is what's. confusing are they talk it says a skit.

and then it says they're talking about a. a legal definition of rape has the legal. definition changed over the years like. when when was this is he talking about a. legal definition or is he talking about. his own opinion right there's a giant. difference between the two of them right. especially if you're taking something. out of context you don't know if he. elaborated article for College Newspaper. stating that having sex with unconscious. women isn't rap. because the criteria for rape isn't met. so this is in his College Newspaper so.

how old is he is he like 50 how old is. Pete. Heth yeah he up there. right which is really weird to think. that 44 college would have been around. 2,000 well. yeah I remember in um. 2000ish I remember when we were doing. the podcast there was a brief moment of. time time where people were talking. about uh if a man had sex with a woman.

and they had both been drinking that it. was rape that the woman could not. consent because she was drunk but the. man's drunk too right so it gets weird. it gets like we understand like. traditionally men are pursuing women and. that plying someone with alcohol is uh a. famous thing that people do it's kind of. a weird legal thing come on one more. drink have another drink Dr have another. drink and we all know that when people. get drunk they do stupid [ __ ] but we.

don't know what. happened if you both drunk you know so. this is what I'm getting at is that 2000. these conversations are already being. had the question is like is he saying. this from his personal perspective or is. he saying it from a legal perspective I. don't know what else was in the text you. know I'm trying to be as charitable as. possible cuz if like more or was in the. like that's a reprehensible act that's. like did he say anything like that or.

was it just specifically talking about. the legal definition because he said in. his state right also uh says to be clear. he did not write it himself he published. it oh that's what this is says in short. heg did not publish put up on the screen. he did not or did publish such a colum. while he held the role he did not write. it himself he did not write it it was. written by someone else okay so he just. published someone's. opinions okay that's very different very. different that's very very very.

different she said he said that that's. not what he said at all that see that. right there I'm just so exhausted that's. exhausting both like of the thing about. Trump with both sides but that right. there is crazy because I my opinion of. him shifted briefly when I was look you. know I was watching Daniel negano you. know the great poker player was on Tim. pool's show yeah and they were talking. about his shift in political ideologies. and then a lot of it came from when they.

were accusing Trump of saying that thing. that Obama. repeated falsely during the campaign was. that he was talking about um white. nationalists and neo-nazis and saying. there's very fine people on both sides. and negano had heard that he had heard. the clip where Trump said it where it. was edited he had never seen the full. thing and then once he saw the full. thing he was like what the the [ __ ] and. it immediately made him realize like oh. my God they're lying they're lying and.

then he talked about how Obama repeated. this is years after Daniel had known it. was false Obama repeating it at the. campaign speeches and then Obama sitting. right next to Trump and they're joking. around with each other hey pal I know. you're a Neo-Nazi lover you [ __ ]. rascal how' you win like. it's but just what that lady did on that. show and then when we find out that hexa. didn't actually write that he just. published it you know and he published.

it in college as a 20-year-old or. whatever he was I I think there should. be also room for that lady to then. change her mind and apologize CU a lot. of us par a lot of us parot including. probably you and I never yeah how dare. you parot [ __ ] we see online yeah of. course and then we should give each. other room to like say I [ __ ] up that. but people don't want to say that this. is what they have to understand even. people I don't like listen to me it's. there's strength in that it's better.

than digging your heels in there's. strength in saying I was uninformed or I. was misinformed I [ __ ] up I've said it. before it's important to do you got to. do it because you can't have you can't. have an erroneous idea in your head and. repeat it over and over again you can't. have an incorrect false opinion that you. have defended and now you can't ever. accept even with new information that. shows that it's not true I should also. say because it's [ __ ] sitting in my. head uh on this topic I'm probably going.

to do like a five plus hour interview. with Jack Weatherford on jenus Khan and. I read his book all right and I don't. I'm not proud of the way I formulated my. for the [ __ ] of it the beginning in the. beginning I'm still bothered by the. looseness with which I talked about rape. there is and I don't think I have. in me the eloquence or the skill to. improve on that I think in.

general it's trying to find the right. words well here's to describe the. historic the historically accurate thing. the data that we have and then the. narratives uh I think the point Jack. Weatherford makes is that we keep. oscillating back and forth on Jenis Khan. he's one like this epic great conqueror. like currently the great has that Good. Vibes all around him nobody talks about.

him as a horrible human horrible human. yeah but uh currently jangus Khan has. this kind of um a. barbarian evil just rapist well they're. just so good at it they were so good at. murder they were so good at War I mean. just so uniquely good at military. strategy so it's it's about he always. kept the Army to about a 100,000 it's. small so it's 100,000 horses each. Soldier had five horses so four spare.

horses with them so imagine it's 500,000. which they use their blood to to fuel. them yeah they they would they use that. for food so it's very portable they're. not bringing logistically the whole I. mean this is just imagine this Armada. moving at. like you can they can move like 50 miles. a day this entire Army and they and they. don't have to follow the roads which all. the military would follow the roads so. you can go you can surround you can and. they did the As you know they can. Retreat Fain Retreat and then attack.

from the sides it's the blit Blitz Greek. that's the genius stuff and a lot of. people including Dan Carlin say it's the. the greatest military in history they. would defeat every single military. including Napoleon with the muskets and. everything they would destroy Napoleon. and then of course in the 20th century. you know who they didn't defeat. Samurai uh right but then never really. fought they did they twice they fought. but it's not a real battle these guys. are [ __ ] crazy they thought they were.

crazy these guys were like practicing. their whole lives for one-on-one combat. with swords I as far as I know they. never really had a full-on battle I wish. they did there were some battles there. was battles on an island one of the. islands outside of Japan but the. Japanese successfully held off the. Mongols and they were like one of the. only civilizations to ever pull that off. I think one of the issues with Mongols. except KU Khan is they were not good. with water they didn't know how to the. ship thing was not. oh what a big mistake well they imagine.

if they got as good with water as they. were with horses that would have been a. real problem well a lot of things they. had advantage on like for example they. can ride on ice and so how' they do that. they it's they in in Mongolia they these. people like they have different. horseshoes did they even shoe their. horses back then no I don't think so. really no no it's all like they don't. have like when do they start shoe horses. that's a good. question but that doesn't feel like a. Mongol thing I mean people can ride the.

the M Archer sure know about this God. the mountain archery is so insane they. would they had the ability to hang off. the side of the horse so they would. shoot from under the horse's neck so. they were completely defended by the. horse and they were shooting arrows and. their bows were 160 lb so you had to be. insan they said that a lot of the. skeletons they find from that era their. bones are deformed cuz your whole body.

has just been pulling 160 lbs with your. right arm or your left arm like your. whole life so your right side is like. insanely muscled and your bones are all. twisted and thicker and denser tendons. and everything because they've been. doing that since they were children they. were years old yeah insanely formidable. army insanely formidable but here's. something to take into consider ation. saying uh about like how genas Khan's. Gene were genes were.

spread but just right off the bat it's. all awful all horrible I wish no one. ever got killed by anybody ever it's all. awful all war is hell all of it all is. Hell there was so much of it going on. throughout human history that women. would there was a survival mechanism in. accepting this conqueror is your new. husband when he slaughtered your husband. this the only way your jeans passed on.

so these women were able I mean even if. they said they fell in love with him you. know even if they did marry him even if. they were happy to marry him there was. like all almost an evolutionary. requirement because we slaughtered each. other so much that if you wanted your. genes to pass on you had to accept the. slaughterer of your former mate and then. in modern day Society we will call that. race right but it's it's a it's a you. have to use different words for that.

time because there is rape where as like. violent rape as part of War as part of a. mechanism of Terror I think even as just. part of society up until like a few. thousand years ago or even a few hundred. years ago I think human beings you know. like I've had a bunch of friends who'. have served overseas and the stories. they tell from Afghanistan. especially with the child raping is. [ __ ] bone curdling like you you blood.

curdling just like you just want to. leave the room when they're talking you. don't even want to hear this you don't. want to think that this is happening and. it's happening right now because it's an. old culture it's an old culture and it's. separate from the rest of the world it's. very remote very difficult to access you. have Warlords and herders who are living. in these nomadic tribes to this day not. much different than when Alexander the. Great conquered it so I I should say. that jenin Khan from everything I.

understand was was not Progressive but. he was very pragmatic this is why he. allowed all religions all religions. which is Thomas Jefferson I should say. deeply admired jenas Khan for this the. freedom of religion and he didn't just. say freedom of religion it's freedom of. an individual to practice any religion. they want which is a it's like. individualism. a revolutionary badass idea for that. time for that place well he was he.

recognized strength and the value of. accepting strength and taking and. there's strength in unity there's. strength in community if people can. worship whatever they want but I'll be. United under one Banner is it's better. than dividing everybody well in the. feminist thing that I mentioned he would. put women in power why is he a feminist. no he understood that women are able to. R men conquer better in his perspective. and women rule better because they keep.

a stable Society so he would do he. would uh marry a woman to the king of. the place and then send the king off to. fight the ruler to fight knowing for. sure he's going to die but the woman is. now ruling and then there's a lot of. like Progressive things about like they. were allowed to show their face. especially in the in the Persian lands. where they conquered like they're. allowed to wear these fancy uh. headdresses and which is you know they. could floss a little Chi got excited.

about that yeah exactly new rules and. the other thing you know on the this is. the the the tricky thing is the the. Mongolian tribes where jenas Khan came. up by the way came up from nothing. father slaughtered I mean this is a from. nothing uh though they all that was a. common practice to steal wives to steal. women yeah and the well he had one of. his wives stolen and she came back. pregnant that was like the uh origin.

story uh the origin story of jenus Khan. right is like his the love of his life. who was married to him for his whole. life that he uh proposed or he said. you're going to we're going to marry at. 9 years old at she was kidnapped and he. had to raise an Army in order to rescue. her back that's the that's that was the. uh the the the sort of the the split in. the road he would have been a normal. Mongol but here he has to raise an army.

to rescue her back wow and then he. realized he's really [ __ ] good at. this whole resue thing but it started. with uh you. know most I could find is that the. horses were unshed unshed but they did. do something that this says here they. use some sort of skin to cover. it interesting allowed to dry in place. in order to acquire the shape of a hoof. perfect the technique to cover the hoof. which offered greater abilities their. armies to move faster and more.

efficiently than their opponents. interesting hes were around for at least. two or 3 hundred years before them so. they probably knew about them skins. that's interesting what you're saying. about him developing the ability and. like really hey I'm really good at this. do you know that's exactly what happened. with the Somali pirates do you know the. Somali pirates origin story no the. Somali pirates called themselves The. People's Coast Guard of. Somalia they were they were defending. their Waters against Europeans dumping. toxic waste in the ocean they were. fishermen so they had found that these.

ships were dumping water and killing all. their fish and say these [ __ ]. we're going to hold them responsible so. they boarded these ships kidnapped them. and said hey you have to pay us we've. lost all this money from all our fish we. don't have any fish give us money or. we'll kill these [ __ ] and they. gave them money and they said hey let's. start kill kidnapping people like this. is this is way better and then you know. there's obviously there's a narcotic. aspect to it because of cat because the.

widespread use of this uh narcotic cat. which is like an amphetamine that they. is it a leaf KH a. t that's like you know the guy on the. boat look look at me I'm the captain now. that guy's cracked out I mean they're. all real skinny and what's really. important in that Dynamic is who is the. leader that emerges that's the. interesting thing about jenas Khan he. became super powerful that person could. have been uh incompetent jangus Khan. could have been a bunch of different. people he instilled one of the really.

revolutionary things is meritocracy. right by the way he appointed his kids. um several people including Marcus Aus. wrote fancy you know meditations he he. failed as a Emperor by appointing his. kids the ever before him the five. Emperors all appointed Bas generals. based on Merit. right so uh jangus Khan always appointed. based on Merit who's the best person. here to to lead the the groups which is.

a revolutionary idea for the time. because it was usually based on kin like. your relationship your brothers your. sisters your your father so on that was. really important and the other thing I. mention is about the tribes the origin. story. is uh everybody would kidnap and actual. rape the the women they would steal. women in the Mongol Empire as soon as he. won over the entire original Mongolia he. banned that was a strict rule there's no.

kidnapping of wives that was a rule from. Mongolia and that rule propagated. everywhere that's wild he's like this is. what got us into this [ __ ] yeah yeah so. which is one of the pieces of evidence. where they're like it's like there there. was a lot of cracking down on the the. whole rape thing but there's a caveat of. like well why is there so many dead. bodies were like the atmosphere changed. yeah why is the carbon footprint. different than the human race during the.

time that he was alive but it's that. it's interesting because we also have to. look at things in a perspective of. living in the year 1200 or what was it. 1240s like what when was he around I. should know this 12 or or. 13 so yeah well well Jam will find out. it's so you have to it's very hard to do. and it's not apologizing for these. people I'm not like saying that we. should apply the way they looked at the. world today I think the way we look at. the world is infinitely better and we're. moving in an infinitely better Direction.

and I think we have like large extremes. that go in One Direction and Things Push. back in the other direction too far. there's an overcorrection and then they. balance out I think we're generally. moving in a direction of a more kind. more peaceful Society I think we're. better that said 1200 years ago the. world was hell there was no newspapers. no one could read okay where did you get. your information from you got your. information from priests and from. generals and you know you shared. information if you're Farmers you the.

world was horrific people fought with. bows and arrows and cannons and. catapults and murder was commonplace if. you were 12 years old youve probably. seen a few people killed already it was. a different time to be alive diseases. would kill everybody there was no. medicine you broke your leg you're dead. you know you you get infected you're. dead it was just the world was a very. very different place it was so so.

dangerous and so [ __ ] terrifying and. people relied on their base instincts. and their the the worst aspects of. humanity they relived on that to survive. because that was all around you you had. to become a monster if you wanted to. live in monstrous times and that's why. the rule of law had to be enforced in a. brutal way one of the really powerful. things he did is prot Merchants people. that traded if you [ __ ] with people that. trade that that that on the Silk Road.

you're going to get slaughtered it's not. like there's going to be a process you. get slaughtered yeah in fact one of the. one of the. reasons I hesitate to say this because. people projecting to the future but he. slaughtered he took Kev and slaughtered. people because they broke the rule of um. I forget the term for this but the. people that are sent out to communicate. uh before the battle starts the. ambassadors and the ambassadors the rule.

is you don't [ __ ] with them and the uh. ke residents killed them and that's. where the you break the rule yeah it's. like that's it then it's total war and. you had to do that I mean you don't have. to do that but that is one of the well. if you're living back then you have to. do that and and then you look at like. but the result is complete Slaughter and. by the way thank. you for uh uh rescuing me for I said a.

bunch of stupid [ __ ] and you're adding. more complexity and depth and nuance and. well we just got started you know I. don't know how I love you too I love you. to death man thank you you know how you. uh when you begin a podcast um you know. I don't know if you you're like this but. for me I got to get cooking you know. sometimes that's one of the reasons why. I like to talk to people I like to talk. sometimes for like 15 minutes even. before we go on air the danger is. they're going to say something and I'm. going to ask them to repeat it I don't.

want that so sometimes I'll come in hot. and I'm like let's just go right now but. your brain you you don't know we're. going to talk about the Mongols and rape. right and so then all of a sudden you. we're in this very intense conversation. um about the responsibility you have as. a podcaster which is a crazy thing to. say but you do you have probably more. responsibility than anybody and then. this subject comes up in the middle of. that and then you like uh and before.

that we were joking about ejaculating in. space yeah that's how we started it yeah. bro I mean we used to have Mo open up. some of the most serious conversations. this podcast ever had with a flashlight. ad yeah their early days of the podcast. that was the only sponsor we had so it's. like um you know this is again you react. acting to criticism right so it's like. the fear of the criticism of you. yourself knowing you could have done a.

better job of explaining that had you. prepared something which is really the. difference between off-the cuff. conversations and like you're your. actual well-considered thoughts on. things expressed in the best way. possible which is what you would do if. you're going to write it out if you're. going to write a substack piece about it. well one of the things I'm trying to do. for myself personally I think a lot of. people have to do this when young kids. have to do this is figure out how to. create like a psychological framework. where I'm not affected by the internet.

it sounds like ridiculous to say but you. say don't read the comments but they. they they get they come at you like they. they you they'll find their way and I. need to like it doesn't work nobody do. nobody's good at it even elon's not good. at it just post and ghost post and ghost. post things you think are interesting. and just get out of there don't read. stuff about yourself someone said this I. think it was Anthony Hopkin he was. talking about someone's opinion of him. he said uh that doesn't concern me uh no. was it Anthony Hopkins I think it was.

but he was like um their opinions of me. are not my. business but let's let's add to this. little puzzle what if a bunch of your. friends say you're getting cancel online. by the way Taco Carlson is good at this. he doesn't read anything yeah he doesn't. even have social media yeah I know I. always want to send him things this. motherfucker's not look at this uh what. if like all your friends have read the. thing right like that you're or your. parents or so on your loved ones.

like and there the thing could be just a. bunch of lies about you sure like what. that's a that like for me that's a. little bit of a tricky thing well that's. not something you should ignore right if. you want to make a statement there's. nothing wrong with that what I'm saying. is don't regular regularly engage in. people's opinions of the product that. you put out yeah I don't think it's. healthy for you because I think. first of all this you know I've said. this before I'm only kind of joking but. I'm kind of serious most people.

commenting are. losers sorry if you're doing it all the. time and you're doing it in a negative. way all the time this is not everybody. there's a lot of like really wellth. thought out commentary on YouTube videos. that I see on if occasionally I'll read. someone's Instagram page and I'll read. my friend's comments some people are. brilliant don't get me wrong but it is a. Haven for [ __ ] it's a place where. people can go and just try to insult. people and say the most negative thing. possible and they generally I think.

there's generally a lot of like. dull-minded people that gravitate. towards the. negativity you know where that differs. is Christians which is interesting like. uh a lot of like low wattage Christians. are still super nice you know and. they'll just Praise Jesus and look for. forgiveness the real ones right which is. a great thing that we should all aspire. to yeah like the default state is super. nice yes the default State what you're. supposed to do if you really follow.

Jesus's teaching is like be completely. nonviolent and be a beautiful person and. love everybody like it's your brother. that's that's what he wants that's like. you know and if you follow that but. there's just too many [ __ ] and too. many disgruntled people out there that. have terrible lives you know the most. men lead lives of quiet desperation the. thorough line that I [ __ ] love so. dearly it's such a great line that's so. true and maybe even more true today.

because of the unnatural World in which. we're thrust in so not only are people. doing things that they hate most of the. time but they're also engaging with. their phone more than they are with. people so they're engaging in this very. bizarre non-physical way that is. detached from any human interaction. detached from emotions eye contact the. feel of being with someone the the back. and forth of a conversation between two. people like if you and I were going to. disagree about something if there was.

like. some political thing or some social. thing that you and I disagreed about we. could sit and just I want to know why. you think the way you think like I want. to know like if you think a thing and I. disagree with it the first thing I want. to know is and this is not something I. always had I got way better at this in. my life as I've gotten older and had. more conversations with people you got. to like absolutely know what this person. thinks don't like attack it don't twist. it around don't distort it you have to.

kind of Steal Mana you have to be as. charitable to that position as possible. and then occasionally when you find. things that you disagree with you have. to stop and you have to say okay here's. my problem with this and it has to be. done in good faith you have to be doing. it not to win you have to be doing it to. figure out what's right and everybody's. so [ __ ] attached to their opinions. and their ideology that most of the time. most conversations are had where one.

person at least on social media one. person is trying to win you're trying to. win all the time you're playing this. stupid game it's a dumbass game where. everybody's a loser but we just watched. the Piers Morgan thing that's the same. thing it clearly pulled in your. attention you're aware of it see you. love it you're you're the you're part of. the problem Joe oh 100% I'm a huge part. of the problem don't get me wrong. meaning you're a human being well yeah. well also like how much do I contribute. to people wasting their time Tik Tok. reals like Instagram reals Twitter.

things how many [ __ ] Twitter articles. get written about every stupid thing I. said I mean for three days uh dragon. believer was. trending just CU some wacky old lady. thinks I believe in dragons but this is. just the nature of the world I love that. aspect of the internet I love the wacky. [ __ ] yeah even the Ukraine war footage. which is horrible what it's doing is. giving you a more nuanced version of the. world and some of it's not good like I.

watched a video today of a guy who got. killed by a tiger well he didn't get. killed by a tiger he got torn apart by a. tiger the wounds man the wounds that. this guy like I didn't think like what. would a tiger do to you if a tiger bit. your you want to say yeah yeah you do I. know you did cuz I'm you get a little. curious I'm switching over to Android. buddy welcome yeah I few more steps that. I have to do before I switch over and. I'm going to try to communicate only uh.

with encrypted apps from now on no more. whatapps I know it's just sort of like. uh limiting uh Twitter replies to. registered accounts you know to you know. people like to do that I'm G to try to. do that I'm G to try to use WhatsApp for. everything I was going to use signal. but yeah I don't know the people that. use signal I don't know it seems too. Secret. squirrel I don't know what that means. but yeah you know like you're a spy of. using signal I use it though I use it.

all the time I don't I mean I'm totally. being hypocritical here what was I. looking at oh the tiger thing bro this. one's. rough this one's. rough um this is uh Tom sagur I sent it. to him today Tom sagur and I send each. other every day the worst [ __ ] that we. can find on the internet and it has been. like. legitimately it's been one of of the. worst aspects of modern life for me it's. like every [ __ ] day me and Tom are.

sending each other uh guys getting. killed by. assassins nice it's every day it's. there's so many footage so many videos. of cartel members whacking people like. after a while you're like holy [ __ ] I. don't know if I could do this anymore. like every day someone's getting run. over by a truck every day and you're. that's so here it is so this guy they're. shooting at the give me some volume so I. can hear. this so they shot at the Tigers just.

before this cuz this guy had been bitten. up and so see they're shooting at him. right now and the Tiger's like nah. [Music]. [Applause]. [ __ ] and the tig's just biting down on. this. guy so there so this is what the guy. look like this is his wound. [Music]. wow not dead bro look at his.

head I mean his bone is exposed oh he's. moving yeah no He's Alive dude what the. [ __ ] look at his face watch this show. his. face so this guy climbed into a wildlife. enclosure those were not wild. tigers it was uh they were you know I. don't say tamed they're not tamed but. they're some in some way at least.

minimized in their effectiveness that. you know uh our buddy Paul sent me that. Paul Rosy sent me that oh yeah yeah so. that this does remind me of the Jungle. yeah our our our our our buddy Paul is. fearless he's a bad [ __ ] yeah. Paul rosley is a bad [ __ ] that. guy is literally putting his money where. his mouth is where his life is trying to. save the Amazon like living in it. helping people you know hiring people to.

guard it taking people that were. chopping the the wood chopping the trees. down and then giving them a new job to. protect the trees It's [ __ ] amazing. and feel and he feels the pain like he. literally like physically feels the pain. of lost trees he sent me something I. don't even know I'm allowed to talk. about it but I if if we're not I'll edit. it out afterwards but he sent me a video. I can't show the video but he sent me a. video of an uncontacted tribe that they. discovered yeah did you did he send you. that yeah [ __ ].

insane yeah it's insane just complete. uncontacted tribe naked in the forest. hundreds of them and they're like. pushing these boats filled with bananas. out to them to give them food the the. reason we could probably talk about the. they they try not to show it so that. people don't show up and try to find. them exactly you want to kind of protect. them exactly that's why I don't know if. we could even talk about it but he has. brought up the uncontacted tribes before. on the show and one of his friends was. murdered by. one one of the tribes he was uh these.

guys drop off food to these people one. day they're like you know what enough. whap I'm just going to kill you [ __ ] you. I don't trust you yeah and we uh we hung. out we talked to to to a guy that that. works with Paul is that has like a scar. from from a spear. geez jeez bro uh at least 100 uncont. groups in the rainforest unbelievable. man they're living like they were living. 20,000 years ago maybe even more you.

know completely. uncontacted that is that is to me one of. the most fascinating aspects of human. life today it's not just that we're on. the verge of quantum Computing and AI. becoming sensient it's that we're. coexisting at the same time with people. that have a completely subsistence-based. lifestyle Style with the the stuff. that's around them you know stone tools. literally pointed sticks for Spears that.

they've been doing this for thousands. and thousands of years and they're. living at the same time as smartphone. addiction not only that those people. probably their roots go they could be. the original civilization I mean like I. I believe that there look at that isn't. that crazy look at those people that is. so wild taken in June I think man that. would be so if you could just be a. [ __ ] fly on the wall and observe that.

life like without interfering somehow so. just remotely God that would be so. incredible you would be doing what the. aliens are doing right now I think that. is what they're doing I think it's real. similar I really do yeah I think uh if. you just looked at the natural. progression of human beings and what. we're talking about with Quantum. Computing and Ai and the technological. innovations that are without doubt going. to hit like a tsunami over the next 20. years 30 years whatever it. is we what are we going to become we're.

going to become what they are the same. kind of thing and if there was a planet. that had something like us that's. emerging and just figuring out how to. split the atom and you know still. involved in tribal Warfare a primate. that's still involved with tribal. Warfare but now has nuclear bombs that's. us also dick piics also you know also. only fans also you know just massive. social media addicts all over the the. entire planet while we're engaging in. tribal Warfare with hypersonic weapons.

so they would be studying us the same. way we're studying these folks same. thing you know when we find out a guy. got sh hit with a spear like oh [ __ ]. what happened these people are crazy. like you got to be careful like when. Paul was saying that they were there and. they realized that the tribe was close. like they were starting to hear things. and they they realized they were. probably being hunted and they just got. the [ __ ] out of there as quick as they. could. that's. terrifying I do not want to wake up to. uh news on my feed that Paul rosley got.

killed by an uncontacted Tri well he's. uh I mean that guy leaps into Adventure. I've gotten the chance to hang out with. him and is great there's there's certain. people I haven't met many people like. him on the in the way that you've. described but also in the way where he. sees uh Elon is a little bit like this. actually like he sees the opportunity. for adventure. and he just leaps into it there not like. a deep deliberate process of strategy. and planning and so on it's just.

something pulls at him and that's a. really fun person to be with but couple. that with just extreme competence like. he's good at surviving he's he's just. he's um he's is good at taking risks and. good at surviving and that's uh so like. the the on contacted tribes or the crazy. [ __ ] with did in the jungle just like. getting lost and half almost dying all. that kind of stuff like he's a really. nice guy super nice really nice guy and. it's just like there's something to that. he's an actual good person he's really.

doing this for a good cause you yeah. yeah and uh it's not just the the the. Amazon rainforest he's also going to. Africa and uh India and sort of uh. trying to save nature I mean like I mean. you go out. hunting the the forest is a bit. different than like the the the Amazon. rainforest their life is a lot different. it's like real intense like there's a. lot you're in the middle of a soup of. Life M when you have that much life just.

think about the amount of insects the B. you around it the buzzing at night. explain that what that sounds like yeah. it's an it's an orchestra me it's. millions of little organisms and if you. screaming there's no silence at night oh. yeah they're all [ __ ] they're all. screaming and [ __ ] and killing each. other yeah and it's all life eats life. all around you it's life eating life and. with one one of the ways to experience. that is the sound the other way is just.

standing there stuff starts crawling on. you pretty quickly so and you get did. you get bit by a bullet ant no but you. know step very close to it there's a lot. I mean I want to get bit by one in in. the context here I would love to get bit. by one would you do it on the podcast we. brought in bullet dance let's go. yeah so you have to take a day off of. everything else I think what are you a. [ __ ] I think you do I think you don't.

want to be interviewing some person. about AI just sweating just sweating in. agony I think everybody likes to think. they have like super high pain tolerance. you know that about men it's fun men. always like to think oh man I got. [ __ ] crazy pain tolerance meanwhile. don't women have a much higher you know. what's the highest redheaded women oh. that explains a lot. [Laughter]. um this is Up For Debate but I sent. Jamie something recently do you remember.

that thing I sent you so we were talking. about on the podcast multiple times. because I had read that that they had a. higher pain threshold I'm like that's. weird I wonder why well well because. everybody's been [ __ ] with gingers. forever they've been beating their ass. they're like an MMA guy who's got two. older brothers you know they're [ __ ]. they can take it the scariest MMA. fighters have older brothers who used to. beat them up cuz they're ready to. [ __ ] throw down all the time. like the scariest guys or or abusive. stepdad those two yeah that makes a. scary guy or abusive father the guys.

that I know that are the [ __ ]. scariest they had abusive dads they had. people that beat them up when they were. young and they just get [ __ ] used to. go just ready to go they don't have a. fear of going they want to go they want. to go all the time let's [ __ ] go like. they've been just been that's the only. way to survive if you're a kid and you. have a a brother who's four years old. and your dad is a raging out alcoholic. and he beats your mom in front of you. and your brother beats your ass too like. [ __ ] man you better be hard or you're. not going to make it there's no pillow.

to cry into man you got to fight your. brother he's four years older than you. he might knock you out today he knocked. you out last week he laughed at you when. you're on your back yeah I mean not to. return to the topic but jangus Khan. murdered his older brother because he. was picking on him he stole his fish. stole his fish yeah he said [ __ ] you. shot him with a bow and arrow the mom. freaked out yeah called him a Monster. yeah she was. right well also you learn how to kill. your brother when you're you know was he.

six wasn't he yeah something like that. something like that yeah like gets. married in nine yeah you getting off on. the wrong. foot and conquers an Empire at 16 but. they didn't expect you to live past 30. you know if you got to 30 you were an. old [ __ ] back then meanwhile he lived. like into his 60s I yeah he lived really. long and he was Consulting with monks. cuz he was trying to figure out how to. live long. how to live forever he was like you know. felt the iron ebbing from his blood he. felt the body weaken he wanted to Res it.

today be on trt he'd be [ __ ] great. KCK his kids are kind of. disappointing I mean this like of course. yeah isn't that always the case that's. the thing like show me a man who's a. great man who's the son of a great. man it's tough it's tough It's A Hard. Road I mean you have to have a very. exceptional father who who recognizes. the requirements that this kid is going. to go through if you're [ __ ] genas. Khan's son and meanwhile you're also. running an Empire like raising kids is.

it is a very involving thing and it's a. nuanced thing and you have to know which. ones to push and which ones to just let. them be themselves which ones to support. which ones to encourage and how to. encourage and how to how to how to. instill discipline how to show them how. how important it is to feel the pain of. loss and to feel like failure and to. understand that this doesn't make you a. bad person these are just the lessons of.

life in the energy that comes with doing. something well and throwing yourself. into something and finding success. versus half-assing Your Existence and. feeling filled with misery and regret. and that's a difficult thing when you're. sleeping on silk sheets you know that. was like uh what Marvin haggy used to. talk about like you know it's hard to. get up in the morning and run when. you're sleeping in silk sheets he was. talking about the pull of as you become. successful boxers get softer and it's CU.

they start getting rich you know and. then you know just chill a little bit. well if you have a son then and the. sun's growing up rich and you're chill. like [ __ ] man like you want to make a. conqueror you want to make a you want to. make a champion fighter give them a. rough childhood I don't think you should. do it definitely shouldn't be mean to. your kid just just so that they could be. a badass. fighter well I I think it's also there's. probably a balance you can hit but a lot.

of these folks because they had nothing. they want to spoil their kids they go. too far in the other direction so it's. not it's it's not it's like harder to be. a strict parent I think Mitsy Shore used. to ignore ignore Paulie just to make him. funnier she talked about it yeah she. talked about ignoring him when he was. crying yeah it'll make him funny she was. right yeah knew what she was doing but. it's like to do. that if you're a conqueror and you you.

came up from shooting your brother with. a bow and arrow and then raising an army. to take back your wife and then you have. children and your children are born when. you're 40 you know and you've you've got. this insane Empire that's like one of. the most spectacular and impressive. military accomplishments if you just. look at in terms of just like the sheer. numbers of human beings they sent into. The Reincarnation cycle like it's. [ __ ] it's a crazy number man they.

killed somewhere. between I think the estimates are 50 to. 60 million. people over the course of his lifetime. 10% of the population of Earth yeah and. they you know how by brutal oneon-one. contact bows and arrows fire. catapults swords. Spears. trampled and through all of that it.

doesn't seem like power corrupted the. guy so he was he was big on unmarked. grave no statues were allowed to be made. of him no paintings no anything not just. that they killed everybody that was. involved in it yeah the people that went. to bury him another group came out to. kill them and then another group came. out to kill the people that killed them. so they came in three waves so that no. one would have any idea where.

genghiskhan is buried and we still don't. know you know that's one of the the. qualities of there's a perception of. zuny sort of the actor the showman all. that kind of stuff some of that is true. but in his interactions that I'm aware. of with the soldiers there is no like he. wants to be in the exact same level. sleep on the same bunks no glamour none. of that which I personally admire and a. leader in general just walk amongst the. it's a very admirable thing I mean if. you're going to ask people to could you. imagine if Biden was at the front line.

you know what I'm saying yeah yeah you. may maybe see KLA Harris at the front. line in Afghanistan could you see that. no could you see Obama at the front line. no you see Trump at the front line [ __ ]. out of here 78 years old leave him alone. yeah it's uh a very admirable thing and. if you know that's a thing if people. have always said the number one concern. that people have with the military. industrial complex is sending young men. to die in a war that's unnecessary for. profit while you are in an air.

conditioned office right that was um. during Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. who was it. McGovern did McGovern say. that but it was a very powerful speech. he said I'm. tired of watching these old men in air. conditioned offices send young men to. die in these unnecessary Wars actually. uh so if you're but if you're willing to. be out there too that's a very different.

thing it's a very different thing I mean. some people make the argument that a. president should moderate how much they. do that. because you could die but also wears on. it to make compromis decisions in the. realm of geopolitics and the realm of. War you have to have a bit of coldness. if you really feel the pain of soldiers. you may make unwise decisions in terms. of diplomatic decisions ter yes in terms.

of for example you've seen a lot of. people die children die and if you've. seen enough there's no the idea of quote. unquote peace is a dirty word right like. you want Justice isn't that a problem. right now not just uh in Ukraine but. also in Gaza I mean that this is the. thing say. that the the sheer number of people that. died that that had nothing to do with it.

is crazy it's crazy I think the the most. recent estimate and they don't even know. because there's so many people that are. under reubel the most recent estimate. was somewhere north of 60,000. people and how many of them are kids. like what's the number of kids that have. been killed by missiles that had done. nothing wrong like what's that number. and those kids have families and those. kids have mothers and brothers and. sisters and some people that lived and. some people that died and whoever makes.

it out of that you want to radicalize. somebody you want to radicalize somebody. to to to just want nothing but Revenge I. can think of no better way no better. way you and here Donald Trump is tested. with going in there and trying to make. peace I think I'm pretty optimistic. about just knowing the skill set of all. the people involved in uh is Palestine.

and Russia Ukraine I'm pretty optimistic. about I can't believe those people those. hostages are still alive yeah how many. of them are still alive now I don't know. what the exact numbers are but it's. crazy that the the the they were not. freed sooner the whole thing's horrible. from top to bottom. including all the people that have uh. decided what happened people that are. saying it was definitely a false flag. like or these things are.

complicated these things are complicated. it's definit like whenever something. horrible happens and someone [ __ ] up. like someone [ __ ] up Israel is the. most protected place on Earth it's one. of the most secure countries on Earth. for them to let something like that. happen is just a huge [ __ ] up but what I. had heard uh was that there was also a. lot of troops that stationed near where. there were. protests so there was a lot of protests. about Netanyahu before October 7th.

happened which most people aren't even. aware of there was hundreds of thousands. of people in the streets protesting. Netanyahu before October 7th so then. October 7th comes and then you know all. a sudden now whenever you have any sort. of uh military engagement any sort of. you're at War right. now when those things happen one of the. first first things that happens is all. the protests and all the [ __ ] stops. cuz now a bunch of people got killed and. when anything like that happens and you.

are now involved in a Countrywide uh. assault on this other country everything. else gets put aside and so the big. conspiracy Fe fear has always been when. a leader knows that they're going to get. pushed out they'll start a false flag or. start a war so they look at October 7th. and they say they let that happen or. they they say they they had knowledge of. it they knew it was going to happen they. knew it but they wanted an excuse to. raise Gaza they wanted an excuse to just.

have a full-on bombing campaign against. Hamas I mean you definitely need to look. at the incentives there that is one of. the concerns in Ukraine for for. president. zalinski the the the prospect of ending. the war because right now the country is. Unified if you end the war and you have. elections now you have to face a lot of. the consequences in ter. about the potential discovery of. corruption about the suspension of. democracy about all these things and the. same thing with Nyah who by the way also.

I they want to do a three-hour podcast. and for with with me I I talked to him. before October 7th for an hour I I. regret talking to him for an hour one of. the things I really learned a lot from. you and from just for myself you can't. you can't do one of the things I really. don't like what happened with me talking. to Donald Trump is like 40 minutes with. Donald Trump like it it it was a mistake. they didn't really there was a I was.

almost willing to do that with KL Harris. entertaining I was entertaining the 45. minute one I was entertaining because I. was like maybe if I could just come in. at a 10 just like work my brain up like. really come in and just engage with her. real quick I just wanted to get I wanted. to get loose I don't the problem is like. I want to see how you are as a real. person I I think actually genuinely with. you and K Harris I think 45 minutes is. horrible but I think you're so skilled.

and like compassionate just like it's. fun it's fun to talk to you I think you. would just end up being much much longer. that's that's the hope if that's the. Hope yeah but there would be questions. though and some questions would be very. complicated like the immigration. question like I would say what's. happening like what is happening what. what do you do you think that there. should be limitations to this do you. think should be stopped all right do you. think we should round up all the people. that we know that are terrorists that. made it across are we keeping track of. them do we know how many do we know what.

happened do we know why it happened why. are people opposed to the idea of. cracking down on Border Patrol making. more you know making more soldiers. available putting walls up everywhere. like what is the reason to not do this. like tell me what you're thinking and. when people start talking about Labor. they're talk talking about bringing in. labor and then our our population is. lower like Chuck Schumer brought that up. talk about like we need workers and I'm. like whoa whoa whoa whoaaaa what are we. saying we don't is there is that really.

what the problem is that Americans. aren't willing to do jobs and you you. want to bring in illegal people how. about just make legal immigration easier. for poor people that are trying to get. over here how about just SC scan them. screen them make sure that they're not. [ __ ] murderers make sure they're. noten cartel members and then let them. in easier like wouldn't that be a better. way to to do it to vet people but the. idea of not vetting people just doesn't. make any sense at all that would have. been a problem that conversation would. have been a problem because it doesn't.

make any sense at all and I'm a I'm a. grandchild of immigrants I I I believe. in Immigration I think I think America. is the [ __ ] Shining Light in the. world like if you can get here you can. actually make something happen there's. not a cast system they actually reward. people from you know started from the. bottom now we're here like that's a. thing here although that's Drake he's. Canada but it's that that that thought. that's going to be America soon right. yeah we're going to take over Canada for. sure yeah that needs to happen yeah 51st.

state let's go Puerto Rico's next you. got to become a real State now Puerto. Rico Puerto Rico's got a weird thing. where you're allowed to not pay taxes. but you can't vote do you know that deal. that's the Peter shift. deal you don't yeah you don't vote but. you don't pay uh federal income tax like. all right I feel like think you're going. to go to jail someday I think one day. they're going to [ __ ] p you inside. and go we changed that rule and you owe. us $4 billion in back taxes you [ __ ]. criminal what are you doing out.

here hanging out on this island just. stealing money but yeah we we definitely. need legal legal immigration the idea of. bringing like the best people in the. world here but also Mark andrion talks. about this like we need to make sure we. recruit like the Midwest the farm boys. get them to like do epic [ __ ] inside you. know Americans Well here here's step one. ramp up the [ __ ] education system. yeah Jesus Christ at what point in time.

do we not say how far do we have to slip. down the list of like the best. performing students in the world before. someone comes along and says hey the. whole thing about this place is if our. kids are losers they're going to grow up. to become loser adults make it way. easier to be a winner what's the best to. do that have a way better education. system just imagine if they completely. revamped the education system in this. country just poured a shitload of money.

and had the wisest Minds come up with a. brilliant strategy for uh more creative. ways of approaching learning pushing. people into viable Pathways that maybe. didn't even exist when the education. system was structured because things. have changed so much in the world that. you could probably do a way better job. than we're doing which would make people. come out of that they would emerge. better qualified people so we would get. more [ __ ] done in America so America. would Prosper overall the GDP would grow.

the [ __ ] everything would be better. you'd have less poverty you'd have more. this is that's where they need to start. just not just let in all the immigrants. how about fix what we got here and then. expand that outward like make this place. the best it can be and then expand that. IDE a out to the rest of the world so. instead of like letting everybody walk. here from third world countries because. third world countries suck expand what's.

better out to the rest of the world and. uh a big part of that is actually. culturally. changing uh accepting celebrating. venerating meritocracy so like the guy. in the class see I you know having gone. to school in the Soviet Union like I was. good at math and I was actually believe. it or not super cool because I was was. good at math in class when I was like. little like I was the cool kid because I. was good at math like I was getting like. had a girlfriend when I was young shut.

shut f is that but no no no I think it's. wrong I think they're wrong you should. get violent you should but I think. they're wrong because but it's a. fascinating thing to make fun of the. smart kid yeah it's it's I mean. especially math look at that [ __ ]. robot over there science but actually. just is weird but honestly. even yeah I mean in all walks of life. Sports is a little better we do. celebrate great athletes but they're. still kind of this the participation. trophy thing there's still a kind of.

sense. where we want to help the people that. aren't quite as good at a thing that's. only with little kids though sports. sports. are well how little like sports once. kids get into like the teenage years. Sports is a. meritocracy yes but culturally do we. really say like this is like this is. amazing that this person is winning yeah. we we do get there I want to take you to. a Texas football game well Texas it's. different I mean Texas is Texas this is.

what America should be this is what. America should be they should all they. should all be fired up but not just. about football no all kind of things. Everything music here's the problem. football like physics quarterbacks get. laid all right that's a handsome guy I'm. okay scien phys physicists in the Soviet. Union will get a lot of [ __ ] what about. fan well he got yes yeah but he's. another level those guys were freaks. right Oppenheimer you saw the movie he. was a freak yeah those guys were studs.

because they were the smart people and. there was a lot of grad students that. wanted to [ __ ] the professor and that. was normal stuff back then but I don't. know if they were studs in the general. population they were studs in a way they. were like look Einstein was a national. hero right there's no one like that. today there's no one scientist that's a. groundbreaking research of theory of. relativity where everybody's aware of it. there's nothing like that today we we. celebrate people like maybe like Neil.

degrass Tyson who are communicators of. science yeah but not to the same extent. like he's he's criticized way more than. Einstein ever was Einstein was pretty. celebrated it it's just. and even Fineman like for the people. that knew him like he was a he was a. cultural figure he wasn't an obscure. name like if you brought up Richard fan. most people that like watch the news and. read newspapers probably know who he is. if they were in their 30s that's not the. case today for you know say someone.

who's groundbreaking research with AI or. someone who's uh involved in Quantum. Computing or just there just a few of. these science communicators you know. Brian Cox like guys like him were great. at it when in terms of like space you. know and some guys are bettered at in. terms of like talking about AI or. talking about. just just all the different emerging. Technologies because there's so many of. them but there's no one person who's. like our other than Elon but elon's like.

such a unique character you can't even. like you can't put him in the same. category as in Einstein because he's. just like a cultural weirdness like who. is this guy like making memes cracking. jokes dunking on people telling people. to go [ __ ] themselves buys Twitter you. know it runs a bunch of different. companies simultaneous ly while playing. video games constantly it's like that. doesn't fit in anywhere else that's like. a very unique thing that exists this.

Elon Musk guy like he's one of the most. unique human beings in all of history. but you can even move to like even the. Jeff Bezos who by the way successfully. launched the. first uh Rocket yesterday to orbit yeah. which is which is incredible aming even. he is gets like I think that's that. should be that that should be venerated. that but he's not the guy that's making. the he's not doing the calculations and. designing and Engineering the machines. like wner Von braon was so it's like.

what we're fascinated by today is. different it's it's like we're. fascinated by these public figures that. talk about the work that's being that's. going on but the people that are. actually doing it there's not like one. standout although to say both Jeff Bezos. and Elon are legit good Engineers like. they to see them on floor they know what. they're doing yeah for sure but like the. thing about Elon is weird is like he. just do so many things you get you get. confused like how can you do this and I. was talking about possibly buying Tik. Tok yeah like I wonder if they would go.

after him if he did that would that be. like a minute but but but Bezos or um. rather s Zuckerberg rather they bought. Instagram right so they have Facebook. and Instagram right and then they like. why couldn't you have Tik Tok and. Twitter what are you talking about. Monopoly wise like what's oh yeah yeah I. don't think they'll go after them. they're trying to split up Google right. now alphabet. really like uh to make maybe Chrome or. YouTube its own uh. business I think uh there argument.

there's some argument but like they the. crazy thing about YouTube is how. effective it is right like YouTube is. just think it's like seems so. straightforward you just have a place. where people can upload videos okay. that's straightforward everybody should. be able to make one of those by the way. no there's just one really hard to. actually pull that off on the. engineering side to be able to like oh. yeah just there's there's just no other. place like it to be able to host that. much data the scale just the volume the. volume of [ __ ] data that comes into.

their site every day yeah it just and. and then there's people of course online. sort of criticizing YouTube for. censorship blah blah blah and I'm like. always they should but like hey more. people need to be like this this [ __ ]. thing exists it's like Wi-Fi on the. airplane it's like this is incre there's. no other platform like YouTube in terms. of like the set of features the. community they create the search and. Discovery you think do you think Apple. regrets having it one of being one of. the first built-in apps on the iPhone.

that could have had a lot to do with the. growth well definitely did I'm sure they. didn't make it but they included it. right also Google Maps was too until. they made their own well I mean you. probably want to have the best [ __ ] on. your phone if you want people to buy it. you're kind of Trapped Everybody Knows. YouTube is the best [ __ ] and if you get. YouTube on an Android phone n ly. instantly which you can when you get an. Android phone it already has YouTube. loaded onto it why wouldn't you load it. on an iPhone everybody uses YouTube you. got to pick your battles it was 2007.

though that's true can only have 3. minute videos back they probably didn't. realize how big YouTube is going to be. right but what they did do that's the. sneakiest thing that drives me crazy is. the 30% so like if you start an app you. put an app in the app store the Apple. Store 30 they get 30% like that's crazy. but because YouTube dominates so much if. people get censored that's really. painful like that like that's not well. they're so they're so in control um of.

the video Market yeah and you know I. don't envy it it's got to be an insane. place to try to manage but it's just. kind of wild that no one else has been. able to come up with anything even. remotely close you know you've got. Rumble they do really well but it's like. rumble's like a like a very conservative. icton using libertarian sort of space. it's like the opposite of blue sky like. blue sky is. like exactly but there's a lot of like.

leftwing shows on Rumble Rumble is. essentially like a legitimate free free. speech platform they don't censor. leftwing views you know uh isn't. breaking points are they on. Rumble I watch them on YouTube I was. think twitch for a while though was kind. of close and then Amazon bought right. twitch was close me but then when Amazon. bought it it some like twitch kind of. disappeared it's still a thing but it's. it doesn't make money it's not. profitable which I arguably neither is. YouTube but once you but is that crazy. like if they didn't buy it maybe it. would have been because twitch was huge.

it still is really yeah I mean there all. the that's what kids watch but a lot of. kids they stream everywhere now right. and there's a bunch of like is video. games different is like a bunch of. different twitch became more it was. Justin TV and it's kind of reverted back. to it now like most of the popular stuff. is IRL streaming people walking around. going places doing [ __ ] streaming going. you know doing nonsense that's so weird. and so um what have the video games. streamed on what does everybody like. it's still it's still that there's been. a few other ones that have tried people.

like YouTube tried to do it Facebook. tried to do it Microsoft tried to do it. it didn't work twitch is still no I. watch video games streams on YouTube. still a few there Twitter's now tried to. do it but like the Microsoft one went. away um YouTube doesn't really advertise. the live streaming stuff very well uh. you can find it but it's not so so. essentially it's just twitch for video. games it's dominant for sure dominant. dominant okay so twitch didn't go away. I'm just old so it's um I thought there.

was a bunch of new ones that were good. though that people were using K took off. but that's not that everyone sort of. went back to Twitch after they so was. that a deal where they like get like a. famous streamer and they say hey we're. going to give you money to come over to. this new platform then they try to start. the platform yeah that's a good idea you. buy everyone to come over and hopefully. everyone sticks just didn't stick just. think about resources you would have to. have if you wanted to take on YouTube. like look if Elon had decided like okay. we need uh to turn X into the new.

YouTube Well he kind of wants to do that. right yeah which is kind of what but if. you wanted to start a separate app CU. twitch um or excuse me X is still mostly. people exchanging information mostly. exchanging hyperlinks the closest thing. it's too is like uh Tik Tok on the video. the short video clips is is good so I. can see actually buying Tik Tok it makes. it makes total sense and integrating. into X yeah but in terms of long form. content it's just not quite there. because you have to implement all of.

these features and uh it is engineering. wise really difficult to have that much. video you can we can up we upload hours. at a time yeah hours so think about it. like each one of our shows is at least. two hours 3 hours mostly that's so much. [ __ ] data if you're letting every. body do that how much are you paying for. bandwidth like what is that like cuz. it's free and then you have to get ads. and you have to like put and then the. ads like hey we don't know anybody.

saying [ __ ] oh [ __ ] all right put up a. filter get rid of all the [ __ ] so that. Paul mive can sell their [ __ ] hand. soap like whatever it is whoever's. getting upset at us oh did someone talk. about the vaccine yeah you can't get an. ad because we're trying to sell vaccine. ads so don't be a [ __ ] don't ruin. my giant business that I've created on. your data. but it is surprising that nobody's built. a competitor not even close and it just. shows how incredible the teams are right. well they they nailed it this is what. they did they made the perfect algorithm.

to constantly show you things you're. interested in you know when I go to my. YouTube feed they're right every day. every day they're right I'm like oh I'm. interested in that oh when was that. built oh look at that oh is that real. this what they got me every [ __ ] day. yeah I actually uh tweeted complaining a. little bit about YouTube recently and we. had a whole meeting and stuff what were. you complaining about uh so they have. this incredible I don't want to complain. about Wi-Fi on the airplane before. saying the positive so they have this.

incredible feature called MLA. multilanguage audio I don't know if you. know about this but you could have. multiple tracks of audio for a single. podcast or video in different languages. so I had to do that for zans interview. that's uh overdubbed into three. languages for the different did you use. AI to do that or did you hire people. so uh did both but in this case we did. AI because of the voice cloning you want. there's something really intimate and. Powerful about hearing the person speak.

in that language and I've just found out. that you know for example on audio. people listen to the ziny interview he's. it's dubbed into English he's speaking. Russian or Ukrainian they listen and. they enjoy it like they they' they you. could see the numbers you could see how. they write to me personal messages how. they uh you know on in. stories they're listening to it in. English right and they're able to listen. to it for a prolong period of time like. it's in English did you review it and.

listen to it make sure the context. translates correctly yeah so I should. give a shout out to a company called 11. Labs that do the voice cloning that do. the translation and this what's called. text of speech they're incredible people. uh not just the product actually there's. certain companies that I work. with nothing frustrates me more than in. confidence and nothing excites me more. than. confidence like they're just Sweet. People by the way like stayed up crazy. hours through the holidays a lot of big.

companies like take like two months off. they just there's you know they're 9. to-5 they're all very polite there's a. manager of a manager and there's. meetings and it's slow and there's this. bureaucracy and with with 11 Labs with a. lot of startups good startups you like. have this just vibrancy and kindness and. everybody's excited all that kind of. stuff anyway they do the the text to. speech you know you have like text on. the page that you can speak in The Joe.

Rogan voice I mean you're aware of this. so if you want to translate you first. translate the transcribe the original. language TR uh translate it on the page. and then text the speech uh bring it to. life in that other different language. the translation step is the one is the. hardest one where a human should correct. and help I. got uh I I mean we had very little time.

to do this we had to do it really. rapidly but you get into trouble so for. example he said how much time did you. have. uh I don't don't remember the exact. number of days but probably five or six. days to do everything so in three. languages in three languages and he and. I did the [ __ ] thing which is we kept. s switching languages sentence to. sentence Oh no cuz we we kept and like. and he would swear in Russian. mid-sentence so of course the translator. like sweating cuz the most of the.

sentence is Ukrainian then he says [ __ ]. or go [ __ ] he swore a lot like you know. uh that that part would be in Russian. the the the swear so you have to catch. all of that you have to not make. mistakes and some of it there was AI in. the loop we had to figure out cuz nobody. really has done this kind of thing. before so we have to figure it all out. and mistakes can be made when you're. rushing like this rushing like. this like I just did uh by the way me.

saying that could be transcribed into me. saying Russian and transl like that so. for example we said uh he was talking. about corruption sensitive topic he said. something like anybody who we caught uh. doing something with with the weapons or. being corrupt we would beat the exact. term is beat them on the hands in he was. speaking Ukrainian which in Ukrainian. means we would crack down on. them that was automatically translated.

to slap them on the wrist inter which. which makes sense as a direct literal. translation cuz beat them on the hand. slap them on the wrist makes sense but. like and I didn't catch it I'm not. sleeping I'm like reading it I speak all. the languages so like I'm trying to like. figure out this puzzle and uh we didn't. catch it and then of course like a lot. of people got really mad and they they. spoke up you know the that you know the. internet in general it's like how can.

you translate this are you of course it. must be because I'm a Putin shill and. getting funded that I'm not translating. but yeah that's you see it's very there. could be sensitive moments like you had. a lot of really high-profile figures. here there could be sensitive moments if. translated uh could do a lot of damage. on the flip side it makes it accessible. especially for important conversations. it makes it accessible to people that. really need to hear it why were you. under such a time. constraint because the the seriousness.

of the conversation like the every. single day there's major missile. launches and so did you it just you. didn't have a five-day deadline you just. it took you five days to do it yes a. and the I don't want. to sort of put it on them but the. president ziny. office was asking like as soon as. possible they were really pushing it and. they were implying probably correctly.

that there's just going to be a lot of. dynamic stuff happening on the on the. peace negotiations so he wanted to use. this as a statement and the same because. you know um the the Kremlin watched it. so everybody's watching it and like it's. part of the puzzle pieces that they're. using to figure out when are we going to. meet when are we going to what are going. to be the outline of a of a treaty you. know so like you have to take it very. seriously but then you know I've learned. a lot cuz I uh you need to probably hire.

more uh and trust everybody involved and. turn it around much quicker you. know you know me um but in terms of. production everything the team is one. person and then there's now uh folks. helping with helping with editing but. it's a tiny team there's no and so for. things like this you have to take it. seriously you have to like maybe have. like a. special special force team that kind of. steps up helps reg a group of people.

that are translators that you could. really count on to get it right because. review it but you would want to have to. personally review it anyway 100% but. that you want the translators you trust. to do a good job and one of the things. we learn really quickly is you can't. just get any translator there I mean. translation is an art it truly is and. like people were they were translating. it it's like open my comedy right it. really like you think even the same joke. in the mouth of different Comics would.

just be way different and the way they. were translating it was cold they were. missing the points they were not. understanding the context the AI way is. genius yeah yeah but the translation. piece of the AI is still needs the human. in it needs the human to fix it and how. does the human emphasize emotion like if. he has a a specific intonation if the. way he's like he's talking about how.

does the how does AI know how to say the. words in Translation and which ones to. emphasize so this is where 11 Labs is. really incredible but they it uses the. actual words to figure out the ination. so the the okay so the translation of. the words right or the original word. hearing the word word no it's always. working on the text so let's just stick. with English for now before I say. translation text on the. page uh.

have like I'm have a Dwight Eisen spe. here every gun that is made every. warship launched every rocket fire. signifies that feels like a serious. thing like we can probably infer how to. read that if I gave you that text you. would infer the heaviness the timing and. AI is pretty good at doing that not. perfect and you can delivered that. speech like. Hitler like uh like I want to know like. how are they getting the like when. H would would yell about stuff and then.

they had a translation of it in English. and so are they doing it off text or. they're doing off the sound of the like. when he's saying the words and. translating it because then you would. know he's conveying a certain amount of. emotion or are they editing it in post. and saying he's got to be louder here. he's yelling is a human involved in that. or yeah human involved in every part of. that so they're setting the. hyperparameters of like how yeah like.

how loud is it how like Dynamic it is. they can they can change all of that and. they can change specific they can. basically generate you know like five. different options for the sentence and. then that's so crazy but that is an art. form right yeah but it really is so. crazy that we're not going to be able to. tell if you said something yeah like. we're kind of there there's there's real. cheap ones of me selling everything let. I see all the time on Instagram like you. know different rappers and country.

western songs and go to this plus go to. this restaurant like you just generate. them from AI but you can still kind of. tell but then I've seen some ones I'm. sure you've seen that one of the one guy. where it's a completely AI generated. thing voice and everything and he's. talking and he's telling you like this. is completely AI generated and you. probably can't believe this but it's. true he's explaining how it's done and. it's nuts mhm it's so realistic and I. mean I should say like from my. experience with the zalinsky.

conversation it's dubbed into all these. languages it's dubbed into English he's. speaking Ukrainian and Russian there's a. lot of people like I've seen this that. think he's speaking English just because. it's so close right it's his voice crazy. and so like now I have this. responsibility here I am with my [ __ ]. exhausted sleep deprived translating. like his exact words I could put. whatever words in his mouth like I could. have the slap on the wrist thing I Fu. you know um let me just take. responsibility I guess I [ __ ] up you.

know it's three hours it's very tough to. like right uh but like I could have you. know put in like I like dicks in there. throw I just just throw it in there you. know just for fun yeah that's kind of. crazy right yeah and it sound and. there's a lot of people that believe. like okay this is what he's saying right. um so I mean there's a huge. responsibility with that and I think. that's why people trust a particular. podcast and so on like you're not going. to [ __ ] with that responsibility right. no you're very um aware of it and you.

take it very. seriously yeah but it's still hard to. decide who and how to talk to it was. really really difficult to Think Through. the zalinsky conversation think. difficult to think about whether to talk. to Putin or not and how to talk to him. it's difficult to think about Benjamin. Netanyahu to talk to him after October. 7th one of the most univers hated people. on the planet and it's like okay so how. do you right talk to him and what what. do you get him to say about the innocent.

people that have been killed but he has. a certain perspective which I should say. that a lot of people inside Israel. probably support MH um it it's I mean uh. I should also say not now but earlier in. Qatar when the Hamas was in Qatar they. were interested in doing a podcast uh. the the members of Hamas who are not in. hiding so the representatives were. interested in doing a podcast and there. I decided not to because it's like.

everyone knows what Hamas is it's almost. like easy why not do a podcast but it. was like well that just. feels I mean you are. platforming hate there that's in a way. where you can't. properly dissect and present and analyze. and push and pull you you can't. criticize them like you're not going to. be in a position where you can criticize. them well I should say in Qatar it's. safe what's up oh in Qatar it's safe so.

there I could criticize in fact one of. the ways I would imagine talking to. Hamas is pushing them actually pretty. hard in that case I would actually push. hard and they would probably because a. lot of them are kind of just um pretty. shallow and insane so like they would. just get really angry like there's a be. real anger they would not come off as. one one of the fears talking to. dictators uh is just the Charisma it's.

it yeah like they would you know my. opening um statement to Netanyahu was. you know a lot of people hate you when I. talked to him in August a lot of people. are protesting outside there's a lot of. people that hate you what do you get to. what what do you have to say to those. people right that's the opening thing he. says like he said something like. everybody loves me I just uh gave a talk. in Iran and 20 million people listen to.

me and they love me so that's just like. so how do you talk to a person where the. reality is like well no no there there's. people that love you primee Minister. nyaho but there's quite a lot of people. outside that don't that don't love you. what did you expect him um um when you. brought that up do did you have. expectations do what did you expect him. to say I I expected for him to analyze. where that hate comes from to start to.

empathize fake or not to understand that. perspective MH and to understand the. perspective maybe of the Palestinians or. the the gazin that that hate him right. and then maybe make the case of Israel. like after steel Manning the Palestinian. case say well listen we're like this. tiny country that everybody's shooting. rockets at make then make the Case for. Israel the historic case the the. military case the geopolitical case. right but he didn't it there was like uh.

everybody loves me jeez but in that. answer do you think he really believed. that yeah yeah he believed it he's. locked in locked in but uh or I mean. it's complicated he's just. so that was definitely a wall how much. more time does he have in power I mean. that's a it's a consistent. minute-by-minute thing he as long as he. is being elected and it's it's the same. question for zalinsky how long does he.

have in power it's the same question. when when does Israel have their. elections again uh are they doing that. while they're in the middle of this. conflict I'm not deeply familiar with. like the Dynamics of it but I think they. can have elections at any time like. there's there's coalitions that form and. they can I think it's a bunch of. countries have this kind of thing so uh. I think there's elections like coming up. um there might be a martial law type of. situation forgive me I'm not exactly. sure but is is basically under constant.

internal political pressure where he can. lose power are you aware at all of uh. his political opponents yeah there's. there's a bunch there's a bunch of. there's a bunch of. people um I mean they have to uh walk a. tight rope because there is a lot of. fear and anger inside of Israel now you. said after October 7th there's like an. existential fear. when the whole Assumption of Israeli. people was that like this this kind of.

attack cannot possibly happen right with. Iron Dome and the the the defenses and. so you have a more um there's more room. there's capacity to elect more radical. people they're more right-wing they're. more aggressive they're more. militaristic well this is why re the one. of the big reasons why people um love to. dive into the false flag narrative cuz. they find an incentive for people to. allow something to take place because if. you allow something to take place and. you sacrifice a certain percentage of. your.

population you um you have now new rules. MH and you have much more power and you. have a society that's behind you now. because there's a reason why they want. to fight and this is why anytime there's. anything that ever happens there's a. bunch of people that think it's a false. flag bunch of people think 911 was a. false flag and then there's real ones. that we know about like operation. Northwoods didn't happen but they really. did sign the Joint Chiefs of Staff. signed a proposal where they wanted to.

blow up uh American airliner and blame. Cuba we wanted to arm Cuban friendlies. and attack Guantanamo Bay and they. wanted to invade Cuba under false. pretenses of a false flag we really do. stuff like that like it's it's a and I. say by we mean humans humans in power. Nero burned Rome like Hitler burned the. rag there's there's false flags that. they they create these situations to.

force people to. fight and um that's a real thing but. it's. also it's also like people get caught. with their pants down too so it's like. it's hard to know what's what it's hard. to know what's what but the same. organization that did the whole pager. thing the uh the sophisticated. intelligence yeah required for that. somehow missed an obvious breach of. a uh right and they were warned by. Egypt the whole thing is it's very it's.

very very very tragic Jamie just quick. request are you tracking the Starship. launch I know you want to watch we got. five minutes I think okay four minutes. we it's 356 right now so uh want to. watch it yeah I know you do we wrap it. up with that um. is it launching live yeah it's live yeah. yeah let's hope it doesn't blow up that. would suck what if it blows up while. we're watching I don't think uh at this. stage blowing up I mean it would be.

really awesome if it doesn't blow up if. it flies and then it's caught by the in. 13 minutes in 13 minutes okay we got. time uh Jamie keep an eye on it at this. time I mean it's called Starship test 7. for reason like you want you want to you. want to learn blow a few up every now. and again find out what the tolerances. are it is nice for Jeff Bezos uh to. succeed on the first try like the first. one is really important because there's. a lot of skepticism can this even be. done uh new with the new Glenn rocket.

but and now uh Bezos and Elon are homies. again homies they're expressing. platitudes on uh Twitter yeah they're uh. they're gonna sit together at the. inauguration what Jamie um I'm try and. check something I'm not finding the. right. video okay no worries where should I go. cuz I tried type in SpaceX and uh yeah. be really careful just find the official. SpaceX Channel or you can go on X yeah. go on X it's going to be a bunch of bots. selling you crypto if you're not.

[Laughter]. careful don't go on PornHub that's a. different one you can't go on PornHub in. in Texas got to enter in your violation. of Human Rights that's what. I'm that's what I'm saying are you going. to the uh inauguration perhaps are you. unfortunately yeah really un. unfortunately socializing all the. socializing oh you doing it on purpose. for work no I I just no I I listen I. never I never go out to things for work.

I don't work uh it's more like I felt. like it's an opportunity like to meet. people no like you would regret it if. you didn't go like it's a historic M. it's a historic moment and also George. samier said he's going so oh. okay I think Gordon's gr too yeah yeah. um it's a very different thing this time. around people are very hopeful with him. as president now which is very different. than in 2016 2016 was like this. existential crisis that the media just.

blasted into everybody's head I think uh. enough time has passed and enough faith. has been lost in the media that people. have sort of woken up out of that and. realized. like we can't keep going the way we're. going I I hope the Good Vibes continue. in general like that they the the the. ization of everything will not escalate. quickly here it's possible it's possible. even the inauguration itself you know. like I hope I hope they're not it's not. a divisive event it's more of an.

inspiring event well it's going to be. divisive with some people there's no. getting around that some people just. their psychology like that lady in the. pink that was yelling like the lady that. said that Pete hexi said that when he. really didn't say it just published it. someone else wrote it this is 37 minutes. 37 we don't have that kind of time this. just went live so it doesn't say. anything just a big old SpaceX there it. is is that it sitting there chilling I'm. trying to double check most of these.

they all say 37 minutes in counting wow. man let's see let's see who's Felix. these are just channels this is oh so a. bunch of different channels around. there's tons of channels with it that's. why I was trying to find the most. accurate or real one cuz someone could. be live streaming a fake one what are. they live streaming though yeah is all. sorts of stuff. have its own page so that that's I just. typed I just went to live on YouTube. this is where my I was bringing up with. twitch like it's hard to find stuff. that's live does SpaceX have an account.

that's when I typed it in that's when he. was bringing up you start getting all. sorts of crazy [ __ ] and I get like space. all these weird that's not them that's. not them SpaceX live that's that would. not they wouldn't put that in their. official account oh wow might you know. what SpaceX might have just closed their. YouTube channel I'm guessing like cuz. they want to do it on X right that's. makes sense so I went to there and. that's what. it's yet how weird went up 3 minutes ago. so it's just a bunch of fakers pretended. to be SpaceX SpaceX live like that.

you're not. SpaceX tricking me into looking at your. channel they're boosting the algorithm I. guess you know so this is it this is an. older one I think oh this is old and. some of them umu on uh everyday. astronaut is is really great I recommend. people stream him he's a he's a great. wait I feel like have you talked to him. I'm not exactly sure but uh he was uh he. went after Bart uh what is his name bar. yeah yeah did he he's really I mean and.

not went after I should say just used. the opportunity to educate like he like. has this really long um got to get two. of them in the same room yeah yeah for. sure that's what he wants he keeps being. on my case like CU I want to debate him. did you ever have Bart on your podcast. no but B wants to debate him I was like. do I want this do I of course you do. shut the [ __ ] up do it I think I think. there's a yeah it's it's uh something. that happened in the past like what are. we going to learn from it say it was. completely fake like what's the I I.

would rather focus on modern day. conspiracies what you don't want to know. if they fake the moonlanding are you. crazy no I do want to know but like okay. to me how does your life change a. lot a lot okay this is how yeah because. you know the government is able to do. government able to fake the [ __ ] moon. landing and to get people to shut their. mouths and a bunch of people disappeared. yeah AG the story is nuts dude yeah do.

you know the story about God what was. his name I don't remember but he was a. journalist what was he assigned to do. the one that got murdered assigned to do. an audit of. NASA and he. wrote hundreds of pages and his analysis. this is like. 1964 65 66 somewhere around then so it. was years before the moon landings mhm. God I can't remember his [ __ ] name I.

used to have this [ __ ] at the tip of my. tongue um but uh he parked his car with. his family and it on a train track and a. train smashed their car and the the. document was never retrieved it was it. vanished it went away bye-bye and then a. few years later everyone's on the moon. um G Grisham the uh pilot of Apollo 1. the guy that burned alive in that thing. he hung a lemon on that thing saying.

that it would never work they couldn't. communicate with the tower how's this. thing supposed to get us to the moon and. that guy you know people his family. believes he was murdered for. that there's a lot of weirdness in the. moon landing. buddy if they really did pull it off and. then all these people people are cucking. for the [ __ ] government of the 1960s. it's kind of. hilarious wait they pulled off the fake. the fake the faking faking yeah so Tim. DOD everyday astronaut apparently has an.

answer to all of this yeah he's a what's. his answer to the Van Allen radiation. belts there is an answer I'm not this is. I'm not going to turn this debate into I. don't um it's a cute one Whatever It Is. the answer it has to be cute like to to. to send people through thousands of. miles of intense radiation and have no. biological animal that you've ever done. that to that's come back alive and just. let's try it on people so let me try to. convince you as an agent of the Massad.

in the. CIA I don't I think okay this is from me. uh looking at Wikipedia for about 5. seconds so I thought uh I thought the. belt is not all the way around so you. can go around the belt no you can get. through the top and the bottom but you. have to fly out of Antarctica right and. you really can't do that and then the. way we did it we had to go through it. and we had to go through it I think it. was for a couple. hours um maybe it's possible we're going. to find out soon right uh hopefully.

unless they go through Antarctica um. there's so it's like a donut that's what. it is the intense band of radiation is. like a. dut uh but apparently the the actual. amount of radiation is not that intense. I mean again speaking as a mass depends. on who you're asking Van Allen it was. pretty [ __ ] intense also there was. the operation starfish Prime do you know. about that operation starfish Prime they. were trying to blow a hole through the. radiation belt so they launched nuclear.

weapons into space and detonated them. and it had the opposite effect like. super. charged the radiation belt made it more. radioactive yeah operation starfish. Prime Google that temporary though was. it what's that I think it was temporary. like just and it dissipated over yeah J. is also a mass. no no he's right no he's right but I. mean like when they measured it when. they measured it it was like way more. radiation they didn't blow a hole. through it at all they [ __ ] it up they. supercharged it um but just the fact.

that they were trying to do that they. were trying to blow up nuclear weapons. in space like if I was the aliens that's. when I would start showing up like look. at these [ __ ] [ __ ] high altitude. nuclear test what what are people doing. not only that it shut off the power in. Hawaii it [ __ ] Hawaii up Hawaii had. like a brown out like these guys are. psychopaths can you imagine like sitting. at a table with a bunch of generals and. this guy comes in with a. cigar I want to launch a [ __ ] nuke in.

space I want to see what happens I just. want to see what happens you know what. my favorite one of those is the very. first detonation of the very first. nuclear bomb there was a nonzero chance. that that bomb was going to destroy the. entire atmosphere of the earth just. imagine what that feels like right yeah. and they were like let's see let's see. boom nope we're still here they were. reasonably sure that it wasn't going to. do that M but you know you've never done. that before who knows and there's a lot. of people asking the question of like in.

the war in. Ukraine whether Putin is willing to use. even tactical nuclear weapons yeah just. send a statement that's an open question. it is an open question and it's like a. terrifying possibility we I think. generationally have forgotten what. nuclear weapons are right most people. think it's like a fun Tik Tok meme right. right the the mushroom claw can just and. then and then what happens next what. back and forth back and forth now.

everything's gone everything's gone like. that and that's why I'm excited about. Starship launches cuz the the backup the. back get the [ __ ] out of here let's live. on the sex cult on Mars uh no I I love. Earth I prefer Earth the sex. cult right but if you had to be a person. who lived and Earth was going to blow. you'd probably try it you'd try you'd. say listen maybe we can maybe I'm gonna. be the [ __ ] Davey Crockett of Mars.

and then years from now this will be a. mall and everybody will remember when. Lex came over on the rocket yeah yeah I. mean it's really is exciting to see what. kind of societies form on Mars even just. 100 people thousand people 10,000 people. 100,000 people what are the um prospects. of. terraforming cuz the problem is like. Mars is too far from the Sun like it's. just not warm enough like so what are. they going to do in terms of like oxygen. and do you know uh Terence Howard the. actor you know Terence Howard's Theory.

he's got a great Theory it's really. interesting theory he thinks that all. solar systems that instead of it being. like a collection of debris from you. know the outer galaxies it's that too. but but what it really is is the sun is. ejecting matter and we know that right. so the after millions and millions years. of sun ejecting matter the matter. coalesces and becomes a planet as it.

gets further and further from the Sun it. becomes more hospitable to life as it. gets into that goldilock zone where. Earth is it peoples and then he thinks. that this is happening all throughout. the Galaxy that planets get to a certain. stage and then they people and then. those planets are slowly going to move. further and further out away further and. get colder and colder and it's up to. these creatures to figure out how to get. the [ __ ] out of there before it becomes.

inhospitable and that's where the. advanced civilizations come in and this. is why he thinks the most advanced. civilizations are on the planets of the. furthest from the sun because they're. the ones who have adapted and figured. out a way to exist off of some other. form of energy other than just sunlight. what does he have an idea about which. planets in our solar system system might. be peopled probably used to be Mars Mars. still or no no there's nothing on there. now I mean it's not hospitable there. could have been there was an atmosphere. there could be life there now there's.

water there there could be well there's. probably some sort of bacterial life. right there's probably the real question. is is there any evidence that there was. other life like think about how. difficult it is for us to find like. dinosaur bones right like dinosaurs have. to become a fossil it's like it's a very. complicated process they have to die in. mud or something they have to get. covered up and then they calcify and if. you don't know when you get a fossil the. the bone that's fossilized it's not. really that bone what it is is it's been. remineralized by all the Earth elements.

and so it's it's kind of a different. thing but it's in the shape of the bone. that's fossilized bone and what if. you're talking about like 30 million. years 50 million years 100 million years. 200 million years a billion years years. what if Mars a billion years ago had. life on it what would be left nothing. that mean in that case nothing what. would be left like Earth is 4 point. something billion years old right how.

old's Mars do we know how old's Mars. yeah there good estimates for that like. is Mars older I believe it's older yeah. 4.6 billion so that's pretty. similar right when did the solar system. start forming see these are just wild. guesses by a bunch of [ __ ] system. formed 4.5 billion of eggh heads with. wild guesses I'm going with Terrence. Howard I think he's right I think was. what a brilliant idea though I'm. offended you called him an actor he. could be mathematician physicist he's a.

lot of things brilliant guy his. conversation with you w with Eric with. Eric Weinstein and uh and you was just. as art it was a good conversation some. conversations are art yeah that was a. good one cuz he's a good guy he's a good. guy and Eric's a very good guy the way. he handled it you know he was Stern and. and very clear and obvious that who is. right but very kind and very friendly. which is a quality that Eric has like. the ability to do that especially when. you're talking about something that's so.

incredibly complex and esoteric you know. like you're you're talking about like. super complicated math and he's showing. it to him do you know how to do this. like you sh on the board and you could. tell he doesn't know how to do this he's. like let me explain how this works and. then you realize like oh boy self-taught. you know this is the thing like there's. a lot of brilliant people that just. don't get the correct education but. they're still brilliant yeah the raw. horsepower is there yes the raw. horsepower is there yeah but I think. this theory that he has about planets.

peopling I find it so fascinating I. couldn't stop thinking about it for days. I was like I think he's. right yeah I mean we're going to find. out we're going to find like even if you. discover bacteria on Mars mhm that. that's going to change everything like I. I I'm convinced that there's alien life. throughout the the even the Galaxy but. that's a really open question and most. people don't think so you know what I. think I don't think it gets past um.

where we are very often I think it. probably [ __ ] up a lot I think it's too. difficult to harness the power of the. sun while you're a tribal monkey and not. blow yourself up or [ __ ] things up. horribly or just get involved in natural. disasters you didn't adequately prepare. for I mean we're still not prepared at. all for asteroid impacts I mean yeah. younger Drass impact Theory that's very. recent yeah and also super volcanos. we're not prepared at all if we have a. super volcano if Yellowstone blows which.

it's gonna one of these is gonna one of. the big ones is going to blow they just. do they might blow 100,000 years from. now it might blow next week that they. [ __ ] happen and we're not prepared. we're not prepared for that even if you. just look at the LA fire sorry to. interrupt like imagine the chaos that's. going to be created oh and imagine the. LA fire with no fire department right. okay imagine that imagine there's no one. out there trying to put that fire out. that would be [ __ ] insane and you. know I think civilization has probably.

gone through a gang of those before I. think Graham Hancock as much as he gets. criticized I think he's on to something. I think rall Carlson is as well I think. they're on to something I think this. probably the end of the Ice Age It's. probably asteroid impacts there's too. much physical evidence that corresponds. with the timeline for it to be ignored I. mean it's it's a pretty accepted Theory. now the younger dy's impact Theory it's. just like what happened during that time. and what existed before that time and. all the stuff that we see a few thousand.

years later is that a a reimagining of. civilization out of complete and utter. chaos because I think it might be and it. might be one of the reasons why we're so. [ __ ] barbaric it might be that our. ancestors were the ones who survived the. most horrific time in history where we. got hit by asteroids and civilization. just evaporated instantaneously millions. of people probably instantaneously died. we were left with chaos in a completely. different climate places that were.

covered in ice are now Raging Rivers the. whole thing's [ __ ] all the animals are. dead most people you know that are. anywhere near the impact are dead people. get washed away in the floods entire. civilizations just instantaneously. flooded and. destroyed that could happen again that. can happen again tomorrow that can. happen again next month it's we're in. the shooting gallery we're in the. shooting gallery of the universe and I. bet that's pretty common so I bet the.

race is to try to get intelligent. enough that you can do all these. different things but also intelligent. enough that you abandon these ancient. Primal instincts that you. have and that's where we're we're at the. cusp of that we're at the cusp of our. our tribal chaos mixed in with. impossible knowledge and it's all like. happening at the same time and so. there's this wild race that's going on.

and people like you and people like me. and people that are hopeful we hope we. get it right we hope we get it right but. we might not get it right and I think. out there in the universe I think it's. probably more likely that people don't. get it right then do get it. right and if they do get wiped out I. mean we got the toal volcano we got down. somewhere around 70,000 years ago to a. few thousand people on. Earth what are those [ __ ] like. like Jesus Christ those are our. ancestors those people must have been.

brutal well that's one of the things. I've Just Seen even in the on the. smaller scale of the war in Ukraine is. you know your house or the city gets. destroyed and people adapt immediately. like the tough people rise up like it. changes you immediately there a. resilience to the human spirit it's. crazy you can adjust so if if an. asteroid hits Earth like the United. States you know let's say 70% of people. dead yeah like you get an unlock power.

that like your character in the video. game has yeah I mean there this is where. the people in Texas immediately become. uh the the valued commodity versus like. I don't know people in Silicon Valley or. something yeah technology doesn't matter. none of that matters survival matters. individual radical individualism matters. and that's one of the things that gives. me hope Community. matters uh local very local you got to. band together but like it's really is a. tension of because it's not collectivism.

it's not like right so governments that. rely on Central authorities fall apart. from that kind of thing well 100% any. natural disaster government like a real. big one like an asteroid impact it's. gone no the government doesn't do. anything anymore they're useless power. goes out for a month they're gone. everybody's gone it's any man for. himself no one's protecting you from. Outlaws you're seeing that already in. the California fires there's gangs of. kids hundred at a time breaking into. houses and looting them in the middle of.

these evacuation zones you're seeing. chaos um they can't protect you from. that if if something happens and that. this is something we're not prepared for. we're spending so much time doing other. things and not recognizing the. incredible vulnerability that our. Society has this very fragile system. that we put in place that's so much. better than at any time in human history. this is the best time to be alive ever. by far and it's so fragile and we don't.

think it's fragile because the power. stays on yeah one of the things you know. just having traveled across the world. like the thing that really America. stands out with and why I'm excited. about what's happening now is the the. radical individual freedom I think the. Freer the country is the individual back. to jenas Khan with the free fre freedom. to practice religion the Freer the. people are the more resilient they are. to the uh the the Terrors the cat.

catastrophes of the world they just. respond they're much more Dynamic the. more centralized and uh collectivist. Society is the more you're susceptible. to corruption to this kind of propaganda. that you you're not able to respond to. even like the pandemic the just. governments not able to do that the the. fouches of the world will always emerge. right they just it's it's not even say. even Fouch wanted to do the right thing. or something it's just it's very it's. impossible for the centralized. authorities to do the right thing you.

have to have a. distributed you you have to put much. more weight on the freedom of the. individual that's a really important. thing that you just said it's impossible. for the centralized authorities to do. the right thing it really almost is if. they want to do their job that's why. Doge I mean there there's a lot of. problems there yeah you want to uh. decrease the power the size and uh the. bureaucracy of uh the federal government. you want you want them to be mobile. agile small efficient and then. distribute it to the state or to just.

just to small companies to companies and. how about stop going after the American. people how about that too which part. every part all sorts of things all sorts. of things you know um uh attacking. people uh what What's happened with uh. this country because of um January 6th. and their version of it and what what. actually happened then you know the what. F the FBI did with the Twitter files. with uh influencing things what they did.

with uh Facebook where they contacted. them were taking telling them to take. down memes can I actually just say about. that I don't know if he gets enough. credit but I think what Mark Zuckerberg. did on your podcast is actually it may. not seem that way but it's it's. courageous I think it's courageous I. think you had to do it too I think it's. both things but like internally he's. running a gigantic company he's running. a gigantic company but also um this is. the way things are rolling like you. either get in the way and get rolled. over or you get on board and if you want.

your company to succeed in today's day. and age and not be disdained and and. universally um whether it's whether. people boycott it or people just start. hating on the stock drops like. if a new thing that's like Facebook. because Facebook is although it's so. common it's one of those ones you could. do without kind of it doesn't have the. kind of. information gathering aspect that X does.

like if I want to find out what's going. on in the world I go to x Facebook's not. like that it's like people talking about. stuff and posting videos and things. like I mean there's also WhatsApp that. that one could take a hit that could. take a big hit if people just decided. like [ __ ] you and your censorship you. know and I think more people are. inclined to say [ __ ] you and your. censorship now than ever before so it's. a good business decision to stop. censoring people and the community notes. thing is [ __ ] genius it's the. greatest invention ever in terms of like.

the ability to find out what's right or. what's wrong L's let people post things. and it was not true enough people report. it people look at it and go oh it turns. out that's not true at all and here's. why it's not true that shit's huge it's. huge it's funny when Elon gets community. noted too even he gets community noted. it's so great it's so great yeah you get. community noted son everybody does but. but it's um it's the best way it's the. best way to find out what's real and. what's not real but then it's also like.

you know should you let people on your. platform that are just [ __ ] straight. up Nazis and trying to recruit people. should you let horrible racism exist on. your platform the problem was that. slippery slope man if you say no yeah if. you say no then you then other people. are going to decide you remember punch a. Nazi where people saying you should. punch a Nazi I remember like Kurt mezer. was he was like well who the [ __ ]. gets to say who's a Nazi if it was just. like a guy you know running a gas.

chamber yeah punch a Nazi but if it's. just some guy who doesn't think that a. transom should be competing against his. daughter in high school sports like. that's not a. Nazi like youve you've changed the. term I think I think the slippery slope. is important there's there's people like. Pao dur durov who's running Telegram and. he was you know. Europe uh rest in peace is going after. him uh for like you get arrested yeah. well because there is legitimate.

terrorists talking to each other on. telegram but. like what the what's the alternative but. if it's an encrypted app how you going. to stop it how are you going to stop if. it really is encrypted if they can't. read it right like this is WhatsApp if. you use WhatsApp if you and I message. each other on WhatsApp no one can read. it but us yeah but the government wants. the back door that's what they wanted. with t right but that's crazy because. you could use that back door in all. kinds of ways like they use that back. door for Signal that's how they found. out that Tucker Carlson was talking to.

Putin's people about setting up an uh. interview he was like we know you did it. on signals Tucker's like I didn't even. know you could do that that's what. Tucker says you think Tucker's lying how. dare you he's not lying you son of a. [ __ ] you are a Russian plant no CIA and. Russian yes for sure. on all of them you got a you got me to. the meeting bro I want to see what. happens I want to see what they do with. that. goat uh you're GNA well Tucker said they. read his signal well it's very possible.

uh but technologically I'm not sure how. it's possible to do that I. possible but the way it's been explained. to me is even though your phone is. encrypted it's not encrypted do you like. you see it like you see his messages you. it's encrypted peer to-peer right so if. they can just see your phone phone you. mean kind screen record yeah 100 not. just screen recording get access to your. phone find out all your contacts all. your emails passw signal communication. is entend encrypted so it's difficult I.

mean it's possible it's difficult but. it's not through signal if you're going. through the phone so if you're using. Pegasus you're just compromising the. entire phone if you if Signal's on that. phone you you know the passwords already. you go into signal you can go to. anything oh and that way got you have. access to the phone but that's right. that's that's legitimate right right but. this is what they're doing right like um. uh that's not what they wanted with. telegram they wanted legitimately like. full-on back door but with Gavin. debecker explained this to me he said. with with u Pegasus one you needed to.

click a link right there's this this was. the Jeff Bezos thing someone sent him a. bad link on WhatsApp he clicked it they. had access to his phone they got. compromising information on him um with. Pegasus 2 they just need your phone. number so they got your phone number. boom they're in your phone that's it. and so if that's the case if you have a. a a an app like signal like I would. assume they could read your signal MH. because it's like right there on your. phone like if you already got the phone.

open and they've got a compromise where. they can get into into your phone that's. actually by the way why you know I'm. going to Ukraine going to Russia going. back to Ukraine try to get your phone. hacked well I also try to make sure like. dickpics that I sent to you and deing. aside I I try not to there's nothing to. hide right do you have a burner you got. a burner phone do you bring when you go. overseas you bring your real phone I. wouldn't tell you bro that phone is. hearing everything we say yeah for sure. for sure what what are we saying that we.

we need to hide I mean there's some. embarrassing things for sure like you. know drunk texts drunk. texts yeah I mean from the past I'm some. [ __ ] from the P I'm so glad I grow up. when I did oh my God imagine if you were. 15 with a phone you could take a picture. of your dick so somebody um somebody so. there's like a hitpiece on me fine great. wonderful I love you all write some more. but this journalist found like some [ __ ]. poetry I wrote oh no like I mean it when.

you were young yeah well hang around. with comedians so it was like late it. might have been late 20s early 30s so. it's not like there's not even an excuse. that you're not that young it just. sucked it just sucked yeah and it and I. was just reading it cuz they they know. how to get who is this article for. cuz for the person writing it they want. to hate on you and it's clicks and. you're popular so they want to hate on. you by uh attacking your shitty just. hilarious cuz like well they got you you. gave them a little rope and uh they hung.

you with it but like what I'm saying is. that's not a big deal the the bigger. deal is like if you grow up with that. like so there's like [ __ ] you said when. you're 14 or 15 or 16 yeah exactly it's. even the pie you know that that stuff. like the article all that kind of stuff. you can even I mean one of the big. things we have to do is allow people to. evolve and just say you know yeah that. was [ __ ] poetry well I'm still hor I'm. worse at poetry now but like that was. embarrassing that I would be publishing. uh I think that these people that attack. almost all of them are leftists and I.

think leftism is a religion um just like. being a Christian is a religion in that. there's like a there's a a way that you. uh approach it Mark Andre says it best. he he was describing that it has all of. the attributes of a cult and and I think. people have a. default system in their mind we all do. that we fall into that gives us like a. religious like adherence to some ideas. and um the thing that this cult is.

lacking which is Paramount Christianity. is. forgiveness um there's no Ro Road to. Redemption everyone is ostracized and. kicked out and what you wind up doing is. you wind up cannibalizing your own thing. you can never be left enough there's. always crazy people that are like far to. the end of it and every ideological. group gets defined by its most extreme. members that's why when people think. about farri people who do you think the. worst people you think of like people. who want war war mongers [ __ ] you.

know stupid people un you know. uneducated that's what people think of. when they think of like the worst they. think of like white nationalists that's. what they think of when they think of. far right so you can kind of like you. flavor everything else in the group by. the worst members of the group and if. you don't have forgiveness in your. religion like you have a [ __ ]. terrible religion if you don't have a. path to Redemption and you want extreme. adherence to Dogma even if like even if. whatever this idea with this ideology.

that you're pushing is like clearly. clearly destructive to a bunch of. humans that's what they're dealing with. it's like people fall in the thought. patterns man that most people are too. busy to formulize their own opinion so. they develop opinions to sort of merge. with the people that they're in touch. with all the time and if you get stuck. in one of those [ __ ] woke hives like. you're you're basically surrounded by. mentally ill people that are preaching. in a logical version of the world that.

no one No One Believes could ever exist. I hope there there will be. leftwing leaders that emerge that kind. of shed that I think they will have to. just by virtue of their survival I think. the woke thing is so widely re ejected. now and when I say the woke thing I mean. this this what Elon calls the Mind virus. the the crazy aspect of it like your kid. knows it's trans when it's two that kind. of [ __ ] like the people that are just. far off the.

rails that's going to die off it's just. it's just too nutty and it doesn't make. any sense and it's ultimately. destructive to a lot of different groups. of people and it's not fair it's like. the the trans women in sports thing is. the most unfair aspect of it that one. that one's so crazy when you see people. argue for it and inclusivity and all. like you're out of your [ __ ] mind. like you're out of your mind and the. inability to discern who's a pervert and. who's actually trans like the impossible.

nature and then just greenlighting. perverts to do whatever they want and. that you know my concern is I do think. the the wokeism is either dying or dead. my concern is those folks who are now. looking for a new religion there's. people like that on the right I think. they're mostly rejected no there's a lot. of people like that on the right the. right has a woke right they have an. attacking woke [ __ ] they they they're. not United there's there's an aspect to. the right that attacks other people on. the right especially now because the. right has like more attention than ever.

before there's like there's a whole. always going to be a group in any sort. of ideology there's going to be a group. of people that use the opportunity to uh. attack people to elevate themselves yeah. that I think Mark andreon going off five. minutes five minutes I think Mark. andreon calls the battle I think on the. right maybe between the the techn. Libertarians versus the nationalists so. there's these like protectionist people. that say like no more immigration right.

Mass support everybody and then there's. these people which they align on a lot. of ideas these people that say we need. to [ __ ] build yeah like they're both. America first but they just have a. different flavor of that you know the. Mark Andre of the world probably are or. at least Silicon Valley accepts. immigration like we need to allow legal. immigration of the best people in the. world right and but the Nationalist part. of the right they're like no [ __ ] that. [ __ ] you with your H1B [ __ ] you with the.

yeah with we don't need anymore we need. America yeah we don't need to what is. your take on the H1B thing because uh I. I saw the argument and I was like wait a. minute what is it do you guys want cheap. labor or are you trying to get like. super skillful Engineers from other plac. like what are we asking for here I think. as I understand H1B is just abused to. getap labor yeah but so he needs to be. reformed I think the argument got really. muddled right because everybody was.

looking at the worst aspects of H1B. which is the cheap labor right but there. is an aspect I think there there's an 01. Visa there's different kinds of visas. where like we need to get the bad the. the best badest [ __ ] from the. all the the rest of the world and have. them work here look at that baby 353 to. go look at it. steaming look at all those carbons being. emitted into the atmosphere by people. who sell electric. cars you'd have to drive 100,000 [ __ ].

cars 24 hours a day for a year to to get. any of the release of carbon that that. thing has here you go with your woke. [ __ ] again you'd have to drive my. chevel until the universe died of heat. death to get as much as you're going to. get off of this one rocket La turns out. you need a combustion engine to to get. off this uh do you think we do man what. do you think is going on with the uaps. do you think these [ __ ] have. some new [ __ ] well that's the Eric. Weinstein like you don't need to worry. about the Rockets you need to crack. physics yeah I think I think yeah I.

think Weinstein has a very unusual. Theory involving that one University. that has a a completely overqualified. physics department it's also connected. to a um U stock broker or not a stock. broker um a financial thing what are. those things called were they you know. what I'm talking about. Jamie um key word or something God damn. it the point is tank no it's like some.

Financial Investment Group that does. better numbers they do like birdie. madeof numbers like nutty numbers what's. that Venture Capital Venture thank you. that's it so this company is connected. to this University this company makes. extraordinary amounts of money this. university has an insane physics. department and like they're not. publishing anything and Eric's like what. are you guys doing weird what the [ __ ]. are you doing so he thinks that these. [ __ ] branched off he thinks. that they the government probably got a.

bunch of like super Top Secret Squirrel. type dudes that were working on some. high level [ __ ] and they branched off. decades ago and that they've been. working on this for a long time of. course the military often swoops in and. wants that Talent wants that technology. wants those ideas right they're probably. connected all inter intertwined with the. military because who's going to build. these things right you need the defense. department you need um defense. contractors rather you need like Ron you. need someone like that who knows how to.

make spaceships like make this [ __ ]. thing you know and they probably back. engineered it all they probably found. some crash things that are probably left. here on purpose and like figure it out. monkeys and then in you know 1947 and. these dudes are [ __ ] fumbling around. and all a sudden they figure out fiber. optics all a sudden they figure out. transistors all a sudden like there's a. bunch of weird [ __ ] that just kind of. emerges after these crash sites that's.

what I like to believe yeah I kind of. believe that I also believe that there's. that they're they're not so focused on. us they're doing it here and everywhere. else too like this is maybe I why. wouldn't they be focused on us I would. focus I just feel like there's a lot a. lot of tribes I think I bet it takes a. long ass time for it to get to the. distance that our Earth got from the Sun. where you can get liquid water and it. only lasts for a little while till it. phases again oh maybe if that's the case. and they understand that then yes then.

we're special if you thought about like. the way let's just assume that the way. life was created on Earth is the only. way life is created anywhere in the. universe let's assume that all those. rules apply let's assume that Terrence. Howard's on to something the peopling. the peopling you would imagine that it. would have to get where we are where. where the water melts M where the ice. melts 17 seconds and then life emerges. from the sea like it did here right. doesn't that make sense that that would. happen everywhere oh Jesus wher there's.

water here we go 6 5 4 3 2. 1 here it. goes we have the off. [Music]. that's a 100 million diesel trucks. blowing coal this is America baby look. at that thingle pitching down R holy. [ __ ] man and that that thing is going to.

get. caught bro boost your pressure I want a. rocket I just decided I want a rocket up. that dude I need a rocket you podcast. from space I want a rocket look down all. right we're more than 30 seconds into. flight Telemetry sh3 out of 33 engines. as it's pitching down range look how. high that is in 30 seconds booster ship. Avic power Telemetry.

nominal good call snaps you just heard. the about six miles away when it snaps. off where's it go Starship AR. just right now they drop it in the ocean. no it. lands oh that's right that's right it's. the falcon. yeah it gets caught by these minute. flight I know I was thinking about like. the Saturn 5 I think it was like a boost. I forgot this actually can land which is. even nuttier yeah it's nutty it's it's.

it's that this gigantic thing that's. size of a skyscraper is going to it just. lands they just pass through the. greatest stress the vehicle's going to. experience going uphill speed is 2,000. km an. hour what the [ __ ] it keeps getting f. how high it is huh as they get away from. the gravity of Earth look how it gets. faster you [ __ ] Flat Earth dorks it. gets easier and easier I don't know. looks flat from here take your off it. does look flat they're right oh my God.

bro you believe this CGI you really. believe this is happening you are a. shill. Lex while we still watch the camera. might go out for a little bit which will. explain everything have you seen the guy. who takes the Flat Earth people to. Antarctica where they can see the the. Sun around and like oh. [ __ ] you can go to Antarctica there done. an iceball no I mean I like people that. can change their mind in that. way let's see let's see if it lands it.

should be a few minutes nuts this here. in the corner is like all the different. boosters or something so it's 54 miles. or 54. kilomet in the sky right now [ __ ] dude. and it actually has I think uh. satellites on board it was that was. active turned them all off just slowed. down stage. separation so that fucker's going to go. land that's going to go land that's so. that's a building how long does that.

take now like 2 minutes before it comes. back down uh maybe three four more that. is so [ __ ] crazy it's going to go. land now all right hot stage confirmed. we've got a booster hopefully on our. look at the Earth it looks round and a. ship the Li the earth looks kind of. round oh wait a minute looks flat there. this is a new camera this definitely. fake oh this is the real camera that. other one is. [ __ ] kind to me that other one is a.

fishey lens out there yeah look at the. [ __ ] where's the Stars this is. [ __ ] this is in a lab in Nevada. return this is a screen. saver wow. a payload of a of a satellite that. they're like testing releasing so bro. imagine what it feels like looking out. the window the right is going way faster. now it's humbling. the to 6,000 km an hour oh my God the.

other one's heading back down still. slowing down. wow Space Station what is that is that. the space station is that what that is I. hope so I don't know what the [ __ ] she. just said it she just said it right. otherwise we just saw some go she she. just said it definitely a. UFO is it possible they get that close. to the space station like hey. guys yeah I mean they're extremely. precise about their flight.

trajectory. again and that will then you would you. ever fly on one of. these no no. no how much how much would you how much. need to pay you no no no no I'm already. rich you can't get me with that that's. the one [ __ ] you money thing yeah I. don't I don't have that expensive. taste I would love to find one of these.

man incredible dude that's so incredbly. flat look at CGI bro Starship ship is. still firing its engines right now. Starship trajectory what do you think. would happen if you did send flat. earthers up in that and they got to see. do you think they would believe what. they how many of them are schizophrenic. though oh they they'll think everything. was a lie percent like what percentage. of the Flat Earth Community like the.

percentage of all communities it's like. 1% that are schizophrenic right but. don't you think isn't it like across the. board something like that yeah so is not. disparaging the Flat Earth Community I'm. just saying well can you be like. schizophrenic higher percentage can you. can you just be a little. you definitely can I know a dude you got. a touch they got a touch yeah just a. touch I told this story once I was. talking to this comedian and uh I've. known this guy forever I thought he was. totally normal uh and but he's always.

like odd and he starts showing me. pictures on his phone of clouds MH he's. like you see that I go yeah it's going. to go through a cloud right now whoa. that's a high ass Cloud oh [ __ ] 20 km up. wow for. that's so [ __ ] cool how [ __ ] cool. is that that this thing is going to go. land now you want to make a bet about if. it's going to catch oh it's going to. catch all right yeah I believe so too. yeah no I wouldn't bet against it that. would be unamerican yeah what you though.

look how cool that is man wow they're. focusing on it now from a distance it. just dropped fast it's now only three k. 2 km above wow it's going down quick. Tower. catch bro this is so insane. this is. amazing this is so insane so it has this. it's. controlling fully the look how Wild this. is look at the tower coming in to catch. it. too oh my.

[Applause]. God [ __ ] yeah [ __ ]. yeah the Boer. wow holy [ __ ] man that is so [ __ ]. badass 7even minutes from when it left. 7 minutes for the whole flight. wow that's a [ __ ] building you heard. it here that is so dope look at the. other ones climbing and speed 16,000 km.

an hour 140 km away. wow new Glenn yesterday Starship today. this is why I [ __ ] love America. that's so incredible dude that's so. incredible um hey the question is like. how tall is that in reference to like a. building isn't it like a 20 story. building or something crazy it show. before it took off right there yeah wow. it is look how much bigger it is than. Millennium. Falcon I like how.

they he Compares it to the Millennium. Falcon how [ __ ] amazing is that. what's the other one is that blue origin. SpaceX oh that's another it's big it's. bigger than the blue origin rocket by. quite a bit it is I think it's the. biggest rocket ever made 123 M yeah and. that that part right here halfway that's. what came back this right so that's got. to. be I mean you do you think it's it looks. higher than half how many floors of like. it's got to be 70 M that's so crazy.

that's so big yeah it's like 33 Raptor. engines so just raw power just just even. one of those engines is like you ever. see it live it's incredible it's so much. cooler watching it actually happen live. than it is watching video when you watch. a video you're like yeah that's cool but. like we didn't know it was going to. happen yeah that's the cool thing about. live yeah [ __ ] yeah that was awesome. that was [ __ ] let's end with that we're. ending on a positive note American. Ingenuity baby let's go peace on Earth.

Good Wood all love you brother love you. too man thank you bye bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].