Joe Rogan Experience #2250 - Raekwon

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day that's it the chef is in the. building ladies and gentlemen what's up. what's up pleasure to meet you man you. are a part of the most iconic band in. all of Hip Hop there is no question. there's one wuang there's only one wuang. nothing else is even close you guys are. so different than every other band that.

ever existed it was a giant group of you. yeah man and everybody was a killer. [ __ ] mob man it's a crazy band man. like no one is if you think about it. there's been a lot of hip-hop Duos. there's been a lot of producers and MC's. there's been a lot of people that get. together in like small groups but. there's only one wuang there's only one. group of nine assassins I tell [ __ ]. that all the time like it's kind of. crazy you ain't gonna get another one of. these it's it's crazy that it worked.

yeah because so hard to keep all those. Alphas together it really is crazy to. make it work the most illst [ __ ] some. [ __ ] that I never would have thought. would ever exist it was able to exist. because we tried it but it. wasn't it wasn't normal it wasn't nor. well you tried it but it was just it. almost seems like it was just Instinct. like it's not like a a business strategy. that anybody would ever come up with.

right nine dudes and nine of the realest. dudes like the rawest realest dudes and. it worked yeah and it worked and it. worked I tell people all the time it was. like when Rizza you know he came with. this whole philosophy of wanting to do. it it was like hitting a lotto for him. like he didn't know what to expect it. was more reputation thing for us it was. like yo I want to do this and you know. he came to the block and he talked to. some real dudes that was really had. other [ __ ] planned than they life you.

know but Hip Hop was always like that. backpack that we wore every day but. everybody had different plans so he. really literally came in and started to. pick [ __ ] that he felt had. potential so it's like the mob it's like. you know you know lucky luchiano prime. example you know he knew that. [ __ ] had potential right he. knew dudes had potential and anyway he's. from a different part he's from a. different part he's from a different. part but yo what we could do right here.

is we can make money so put your [ __ ]. feelings down or whatever the case may. be and let's talk about some money yeah. and that right there kind of like yo you. start shaking hands across the table yo. I know you didn't really [ __ ] with me. like that y'all I never had anything. against you like that though but it just. it was just something that he felt like. at the end of the day let me try this. [ __ ] well RZ is a genius and it's it's. amazing that he was able to coordinate. that.

because that's often the case right with. other Killers like when when a dude's a. bad [ __ ] they always assume that. everybody else doesn't like them they. always assume that everybody else is the. enemy or competition so to have nine of. you guys together like that as one group. you know we always I told you when I. when I sent you a message I said that we. play protect your neck it's like. whenever we have a police escort that's. what's the most hilarious thing so we do. Arena shows we we hire a police escort. so it's like [ __ ] sirens and [ __ ].

protect your neck all the whole it's. like the perfect song to play when. you're when you're getting a police. escort oh my God N I know I know trust. me these young kids that I have at the. club like I was explaining wuang Clan to. them the other night I go you have to. understand how Wild this band was I go. when old dirty bastard was in Rikers. they went to Rikers and performed in. Rikers you remember that yes how the. [ __ ] you remember that I told everybody. I was like do you know how crazy that is.

you're talking like theg rap. ining and they're pering in a. Penitentiary to one of the members who's. one of the biggest [ __ ] hip-hop stars. in the world who's in jail and then you. guys go into the crowd M God bless his. soul first and foremost oh my God old. dirty bastard was a class Yo Joe is the. funniest [ __ ] because when we came in. and when we seen him he was eating a. cheeseburger laughing and [ __ ] you know. he remind you know never he never was.

you know dirty he I don't even think I. never seen him eat meat like that or. whatever the case may be but we came in. he was eating the cheeseburger and [ __ ]. laughing so we was dying laughing and. they kept you know the people up in. there they kept telling us like yo y'all. can't y'all can't go into the to the to. the to the um crowd with everybody you. know we not going to hold no. responsibility if something happen so. you know be like all right no. no going in once we got on that stage it. was like [ __ ] the stage we out there.

touching everybody and wow it was love. man it it was a lot of love man it had. to be what I say what 90 what 90 98 97. wow 98 no internet probably like yeah. none of that [ __ ] though none of that is. there even a recording that anywhere n. God I don't think so I don't think so. that would have been you know how Wild. that video would be yeah I never knew. that people seen that I don't know how. the [ __ ] you knew that [ __ ] like oh I. heard about it I heard about I mean in.

the news back then that you guys. performed in Rikers yeah yeah man 90s. for hip-hop it was like people need you. have to understand for young people you. grew up with hip-hop you're only 20. years old I get it but you have to. understand from my perspective in the 19. in 1980 there was no hip hop in 1992. that was all anybody gave a [ __ ] about. that is crazy for a new art for for it.

me to emerge right right I mean there. was like Sugar Hill Gang there was some. hip-hop but it wasn't the thing until. the '90s and '90s Hip Hop it got big it. got big yeah it got so big I remember I. remember it's so crazy said that because. I tell people all the time like disco to. me was hip-hop before hip-hop was you. know um Disco um. R&B everything was a mixture it was a. mixture so really when hip-hop came like.

you said it came. like maybe I'm I'm going to say. 80s 85 it had to be 84 cuz I was in. junior high school yeah yeah we was. young boys right so I would definitely. say you you heard something and it was. like oh [ __ ] [ __ ] is. ryen wow I you know this [ __ ] sound cool. though you know what I mean it sound. cool but really it it was a way to bring. people together you know that was going.

through different [ __ ] in their life you. know what I mean yeah you know what it. was earlier than that because in 84 I. was in high school so it had to be 8808. because I was in high school I was a. freshman in high school in ' 81 so I. heard Sugar Hill Gang when I lived in. Jamaica plane which was in 1980 so that. was the first time i' ever heard any. kind of hip-hop yeah yeah so like yeah. like we said yeah 80 yeah I was 10 years. old so me probably really really. gravitating to it I probably was like 12. like you said.

what was the first hip-hop that really. grabbed you do you remember do you. remember like what what was the [ __ ]. that you were first into when you were a. kid all right folks it's that time of. year everyone is on a mission to improve. their health and wellness habits and set. the tone for 2025 by sticking to a. routine and while sticking to a healthy. routine isn't always easy it's so worth. it and you all know that I've been using. ag1 for years it's honestly been so. supportive of my foundational nutrition. ag1 is a daily health drink that.

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cin I had cousins I had wild cousins and. [ __ ] they was you know they was wild. they was selling drugs they was you know. smoking weed and sniffing Coke and you. know what I mean doing whatever they was. doing and um they used to live to they. used to live two floors above me and um. I used to sneak up there and [ __ ] and. you know just being a business being in. a world and they would be playing music. they had the record player you know you. see Coke on the table and weed and.

everything and my cousins they was cool. they like yo come in man we don't give a. [ __ ] like just don't tell your mother. that you that you was around and [ __ ]. you know what I mean N N I ain't gonna. say nothing I ain't gonna say nothing. and I would just be watching and you. know I would see weed on the album. covers and you know what I mean just. [ __ ] running back and forth in. the room and you know they in the [ __ ]. but they always was playing music and a. lot of the music was R&B you know disco. um you know and then next thing you know. I heard this fu [ __ ] record um Sugar.

Hill Gang and I'm like the groove was. dope I'm like holy [ __ ] like this is. what I want to be you know what I mean. I'm looking at the whole vibe I'm like. this is who I am right here you know but. it's so crazy how it emerged I mean it. emerged yeah nobody expected that bro. well it's it was a totally new thing. yeah and there was a lot of resistance I. mean for people that don't know those. little warning labels on your uh when. you used to have CDs that all came from. Al Gore's wife get the [ __ ] out Al.

Gore's wife Tipper Gore she was a. Democrat she wanted a sensor rap music. because this was the first time anybody. heard like IC tea you know like that 600. in the morning everyone's like what the. [ __ ] is this you know and that kind of. explicit lyrics they wanted to put a. stop to it and that's why they put and. these dumb asses they didn't even. understand it sold way more albums. because that's what kids were looking. for where's the [ __ ] this they don't. even swear [ __ ].

out lab on it's like I want it exactly. once the floodgates got open and kids. got turned on to like real hardcore. hip-hop you couldn't sell the the sh the. regular [ __ ] like get out of here with. that yeah few guys who got through with. regular [ __ ] but it just didn't last n. it definitely didn't last but like you. said though everybody wanted the raw. [ __ ] and you got to remember at that. time it was a tough time man too much. [ __ ] was going on I I mean it was to the.

point where it's like yo in our. neighborhood we had we had like crazy. people like if they catch you at night. they'll kill you like they' be dressed. up like a [ __ ] drag or whatever all. this makeup on and you know I remember. one time going to the incinerator room. my moms made me go she made me go to the. um to the um take out the garbage and. [ __ ] I forgot to take it out and she. came home later that day and I was. laying down and she [ __ ] smacked me. in the head with a broom like yo didn't. I tell you to take out the [ __ ]. garbage so now I'm going down to the.

incinerator room you know walking it's. on the same floor and I remember when I. cut the corner I seen a [ __ ]. sticking his head out and he had his. hair all wild and [ __ ] was like green. and red and all this and he had lipstick. on all crazy and his eyes was all. [ __ ] bugged out looking and he looked. at me and when and I got the garbage PA. with me and it's like yo once I seen him. I just turn I just dropped the [ __ ] and. ran. M you know me back then you know you y. your mother name and [ __ ] you think that.

that that was something cool back then. you know she's your hero at that time. came back that [ __ ] was gone but I. think if he would have caught me in that. incinerator door when it was closed he. was going to probably try to run in. there and probably try to [ __ ] kill. me or something and that [ __ ] was going. on back then because the drugs the drugs. was crazy back then so that's the big. shift is crack yeah CRA that's also in. the yeah but see but see before crack. you had that dope that dopee that dope. so [ __ ] is mixing dope and Coke.

together and getting high and shooting. it yeah everything you know what I mean. it was it was a serious time back then. man but you know that's how far to me. music went back you know listening to. ladies night you know what I mean I had. I had people on my store that had a. candy store right on the same floor but. it wasn't a candy store they J had a. bunch of Penny Candy just to make kids. feel cool but really they were selling. Coke in the back Coke and dope though so. you know all was going on in the.

community man wow it was a serious time. scary times back. then but if it's not for those scary. times you don't get the kind of band. that wuang was like that that has to. emerge from an authentic experience. absolutely it has to and that's part of. the appeal of it is that everybody kind. of knew that you know it was part of the. appeal it was there's never been like a. genre of music like that that's so. connected to the grind and poverty and.

crime and ghettos like the whole genre. of to be authentic you had to come from. that you couldn't be like some rich kid. from the suburbs that was talking about. some [ __ ] you never actually experienced. nobody wants to hear it right which is. kind of crazy right that's true I mean. you know back then you know Hip Hop was. really an expression for the ghetto you. know the way that out you know being. that we was living in [ __ ] up. situations and nobody had [ __ ] nobody.

had no [ __ ] jobs like that it was. like yo we needed something to keep us. cool keep us in a Vibe mode you know. back then gangs was still relevant you. know um we never looked at ourselves as. a gang we might have looked at ourselves. as a tribe that yo when you from a. neighborhood and you stick to your. neighborhood you know what I mean and. that's why even back then it was like a. lot of times you know you would beef. with people that wasn't from your. neighborhood just because you wasn't.

from here it's like yo what the [ __ ] you. doing over here you don't live over here. you know then it creates this animosity. thing and I remember for us you know. being being in an area where it was like. you go up the block up the block stayed. up the block down the block stay down. the block so for me I was in the middle. so you know I I lean more towards up the. block you know but then we would go down. the block just to start trouble and you. know then they would come up the block. and they would start trouble and next.

thing you know before you know we all. [ __ ] with each other you know what I. mean so that was our way of getting to. know each other is to test each other's. heart and um whatever may happen was. happening back then though but the music. believe it or not the music was keeping. a piece now just you know the music was. keeping a piece because they would do. block parties right they would do block. parties and. um you know everybody knew all these. different DJs was coming from different.

places and going and going to um going. to play some music and [ __ ] so we knew. every time they did that we knew. something was going to happen at the end. of the night it was just mandatory it. was just because people from all over. different different um neighborhoods. would come out and um everything would. be nice and next thing you know you see. a [ __ ] riding down the street. all crazy you know you know trying to. hit [ __ ] and Swinging The Golf. Club out [ __ ] out the window and [ __ ].

and you know somebody mother might have. got knocked out you know what I mean um. you know um but the music is still. playing you know so um yeah that's the. type of [ __ ] that to me that made it fun. but made it spooky but it still was fun. because it was something to remember it. was like well it's fun cuz you survived. yeah oh yeah definitely the survival. yeah you know but we were young so we. didn't we didn't care about we didn't. care about whether we live or died at.

that time we didn't give a [ __ ] it was. like whatever's going to happen is going. to happen that's wild but the music the. music is what kept things in order for. us you know cuz we always felt like that. was a vessel to being calm you know when. you come from somewhere that's [ __ ] up. Joe and it's nothing there you can't get. a job because of your community your ZIP. code don't allow you to be like yo he's. hired no it's it's too infested over. with it so you kind of you kind of.

become relaxed with that mentality of. saying well [ __ ] it I'm going live off. the. land I'mma sell weed I'mma do whatever I. think that is going to make me survive. you know so everything was just survival. you know when um music always kept us. calm and you always want to listen to. what's next being played like I I grew. up on R&B music like disco and um. you know all that all that fun [ __ ].

roller skating you know I knew. [ __ ] in the neighborhood that. was roller. skating you know um we would get off of. Staten Isen sometimes and go to these. different parks and jams in the city. that was fun too though that was that. was fun times for us when was it so was. it Rizza that tried did was it initially. all nine guys like how did it get formed. h. well number one um it was.

Rizza his cousin jizza and his other. cousin Old Dirty Bastard that they were. super close now old dirty bastard and. jizza they were from. Brooklyn Rizza was from Staten. is um you know we all we all Brooklyn. babies too majority of us in the clan we. all you know resided in New in Staten. Allen but majority of us grew up in. Brooklyn but anyway. it was those three that were close as.

[ __ ] so. RZA back then. RZA he acknowledge which was you know. being involved with the Nation of Islam. and also jiz and old dirty they were a. part of the nation at that time so they. would go to a lot of rallies this is a. place where everybody go when they build. they talking about mathematics and all. of this but it was jiz and old dirty who. instilled the hip hop into Rizza so RZA.

was a DJ back then but he knew how to. rhyme too and he knew how to rhyme. because of his cousins so they kind of. had this gang called not a gang but they. had this thing called the all in. together now crew which was them three. and they would run around and they would. battle you know different guys from. different cities and move around so you. know some of us kind of knew what they. were about you know a lot of us you know. found out later who they were but when. jiz and old dirty came to stat. they came in they hang out with cousin.

so you know we started to see them a. little bit more and know that you know. yo heard about CH RS and you know and. dirty he was just a crazy [ __ ]. back then he was crazy but um yeah they. they had they own little thing going on. and then you know next thing you know. jiz caught a record deal he caught a. record deal which was rare back then. like if you had to if you [ __ ] caught. a record deal that mean that you had to. have relationships you had to know know. where to go you had to have some some.

type of connects so that's what. gravitated rzza into wanting to to do it. because he seen that his cousin had had. was able to you know crack the code on. making a record so when that happened it. was almost like it magnet it magnetized. Rizza to be like yo I got to make a. record now too you know when the next. thing you know that's they had they. movement going on so us from the outside. looking it was like oh [ __ ] yo we know. them we know they. super passionate about you know being in.

the game and doing whatever they going. to do but we wasn't thinking that far we. just love the music in. general wow so and then so Rizza is. essentially The Mastermind to put all. the pieces together and to bring all you. Killers Absolut into one Under One Roof. absolutely absolutely amazing how he saw. that because again that's not something. that existed yeah it's like Eric be and. Rock you know there was you know there. was a few PE EPMD there's a few people.

you know your [ __ ] you know your [ __ ]. gangar there was a few people that were. together but it wasn't like you guys n n. because it was kind of scary it was like. God damn when you guys had a show I mean. I heard stores that it was just like you. guys would show up like 300 people yeah. that was you know that was some. neighborhood [ __ ] but um yeah like you. said that was so rare to see a group. that come out like that and it was. really a mistake it wasn't really. designed to be that way but when RZA had.

a w situation and they tried to make him. be something that he wasn't and then you. know always the case you know what I. mean he was like yo [ __ ] that I don't. even care about this [ __ ] at this level. no more I want to create this now and. I'm bringing in all my guys and you know. he just he just put that number together. so believe it or not I was one of the. guys that he called first because we. used to hang out like like I I tell. people all the time like yo. I might have been riz's first you know.

big fan so I kind of seen something in. him already I seen something I'm like yo. this guy really you know him and his. cousins and I'm like yo these. [ __ ] Really Got Talent you know. not only the ability to rhyme but they. was clever like I'm talking about clever. Rhymes you know and they was mixing it. with the knowledge and you know smart. Rhymes not not these [ __ ] regular. Humpty Dumpty lines like I'm talking. about serious Rhymes I'm like I'm like. damn you know what I mean like yo so you.

know this is something that I felt like. I would want to go chill with them just. to be in the mix and be a fly on the. wall wasn't even thinking about being no. [ __ ] rapper I didn't give a [ __ ] I. just love the music but I'm watching. these [ __ ] y I'm like something. about these [ __ ] that I love. yeah you know when next thing you know. when rzza you know. RZA went out there and he came back to. the um Community he was like yo I quau a. w deal so you know I was there I'm like.

let me see this [ __ ] looking at this see. what the [ __ ] is oh yeah I'm looking. down here like you said the the what's. her name the fine print yeah the fine. print and [ __ ] like yo this [ __ ]. man wreck it oh [ __ ] yo bow stat Allen. that's what's up we up you know but his. situation ain't work out the way he. wanted it to and that's when he came. back and he started to be like yo Chef. this is what I'm trying to do well the. dangerous thing For Young Artists in. every industry is when you have.

potential and you're young you sign a. [ __ ] contract and you don't know. what's going on and then you get locked. into these people and then a lot of. times you're getting [ __ ] and you. don't even know you're getting [ __ ]. it's a mandatory mandatory mandatory. you're getting [ __ ] which is how they. make their money they make money by. [ __ ] young artists who don't know any. better and by the time someone gets to. like a Prince's level he's like oh you. owe me I'm I'm a [ __ ] Squigly line. suck my dick he performs as a symbol I. mean that's why he performed as a Sy. they owned it's you take like the most.

talented people in the world and they. get owned by people who provide no value. especially today today it's even crazier. right because there is no record sales. anymore it's all gone it's over baby. it's all gone over so for a young artist. it's so important that they stay. independent as long as they can just. like you're hanging off a bridge hang on. hang on and keep grinding don't sell it. don't sign if you sign you're going to. be fighting that [ __ ] 10 years from now. you're going to be in court 10 years.

from now yeah you're right and. somebody's going to be getting not just. 50% but like some [ __ ] insan like. Bill Burr was explaining this about his. his first comedy CD that he got a 6040. deal he's like oh great 6040 but it's. not really 6040 because he has to pay. for all the distribution all the all the. printing of the CDs everything came out. of his money let ask you a question let. me ask you a question put yourself in an. artist situation right you have talent.

right you have talent here it is I got I. got everything you want. yeah you going to have to make some. sacrifices for sure because you know. that yeah you may you may feel like I. got talent but I don't have the. resources right so those resources come. and tell you yo. look I'll give you a shot I'mma give you. a shot. but either you take this shot or you. stand in the hood what are you going to. do you're going to take the shot take.

the shot you're going to take the shot. and I agree with everybody who takes. that shot I'm just letting them know. right I'm just letting no you're getting. [ __ ] you're getting [ __ ] but but see. it's the sacrifice that I'm trying to. explain to you that every every artist. takes they takes that sacrifice because. at the end of the. day you have to start from somewhere so. even when labels are being. them in my mind I'm saying yo I get a. chance to have a job Joe [ __ ] Ain't. Never Had No [ __ ] job in their life.

and now we get a chance to do something. that you could maybe think that you. could change the world within love it's. like you're going to go for it so for us. back then being kids we didn't give a. [ __ ] we didn't care about signing yo I. sign because what the [ __ ] I got to lose. I done been through everything I didn't. I done been over here I done been kicked. out of everywhere [ __ ] it I just want to. be heard so a lot of time that be the. protocol is just to be heard to be heard.

to be able to say yo something happened. I don't give a [ __ ] a lot of artists got. robbed a lot a lot of artist and. especially our our ogs that did it. before us like you know what I mean. Sugar Hill gangs all these different. guys they all have. been manipulated to do what they had to. do but it almost gave them power too. because they became famous they became. big they became less there's an argument. for that but I think it should be more.

fair oh listen I'm with you of course. I'm with you on that but we just talking. about the sacri got to do you have to do. it sacrifice is everything if you're a. young kid and that's step one and now. you're on the runway okay you got to. take it you got to take it but you got. to take it it just should be more fair. oh and it should agree I agree it. shouldn't lock people and I'm sure later. on things worked out and you know now. that you proved yourself once they. become undeniable it's like I tell the. [ __ ] this I'm like yo imagine. you a hustler right and you run into the.

connect and the connect say yo you. talking like you know how to move [ __ ]. I'mma give you 50 lbs of marijuana back. then you know what I mean now you may. feel like at the end of the day you can. handle it but a [ __ ] tell you. Joe I'm giving you these [ __ ] 50 PBS. I need my money back today at this time. you could either take the 50 because you. so [ __ ] confident or take one and say. yo I rather take my time you know what I. mean I don't want to be in dep with you.

what are you going to do you got to take. the 50 you go oh you oh yeah you got. take he wants to [ __ ] get his head. [ __ ] chopped though you got to take. the 50 you got to know people and you. got to bring everybody in and you got to. share the money see you got to know. people got to share the money you got to. know people now if you ain't confident. in knowing what the [ __ ] you need to. know I advise you don't take them you. shouldn't be having that conversation if. you don't know anybody but if you know. some people and you're generous oh. that's the thing you got to make it. worth these people's while you got to.

bring you got to say listen we're all. going to get something out of this and. see now look that philosophy that you. said is what we took on yes we took that. on we said you know what at the end of. the day we'll take this little bit of. money but we going to go we going to be. willing to sell ourselves to get to this. level because we know what we believe in. see it all starts from what you believe. yes if you don't have the belief in. yourself to make it happen you [ __ ] F. it's all it's a rising Tides lifts all.

boats thing too and with wuang clan that. was for sure a big thing because anybody. that was associated with wuang Clan was. automatically respected automatically. people wanted to listen automatically. yeah automatically so like that that. just lifts everybody that lifts but it's. hard for people to see that everybody. thinks about themselves especially when. you're struggling when you're struggling. then you're scared and you you know and. scared money doesn't make money make. money that's what it is everybody gets. paranoid and they think no you got. that's when you got to bond together.

that's when everybody you have to find. real people and stick together you said. the you said the key word sell that 50. you got to know you we got to sell that. 50 yeah talk to. Carlos go go down to the Boda let's make. a deal man we got to make some. deals I guess that's what Riz did is. that he danced with the devil for the. right reason and you know we took we. took some scars we we got hit but it was. a different world back then too in terms. of the industry because today all you.

need is a social media account Spotify. SoundCloud you can blow up you can blow. up today back then you needed the radio. you needed you know you could sell. mixtapes but it's hard or you had to be. some undeniable Talent yeah you know. like I we always play the video of. Biggie when he was 17 on the street. remember that video yeah when he was in. his neighborhood yeah that's undeniable. Talent like that's the kind of talent. like that dude's going to if he stays.

alive you can't stop that train. absolutely that Train's running. everything over you know what I mean. it's like there was guys like that back. then but man to get out there and get. your name out there you had to you had. to dance you dance with that devil y you. had to work mhm and that business was so. dirty back then it still is but real. dirty back then in the record selling. days yeah of course of course I mean but. that's what made us learn is that we had. to grow through the we had to go through.

those Growing Pains we had to get jerked. to to learn how to say yo that was a. lesson so everything is a lesson at the. end of the day it's like if you willing. to sacrifice yourself and your time to. learn something I was I would always say. go for it yes you know go for it um. definitely go for it it's so much better. than not going for it yeah because then. you're going to be you're going to be. sitting in the same situation and you're. going to realize that then of the day. damn I should have took that opportunity.

some people are scared of opportunities. when they come and it's like if a person. offer you opportunity nine times out of. 10 it may not work for you the way you. want it to work but it might be. opportunity to help you yeah you know. it's all about you trying to help. yourself and and get out there it's like. watching Scarface and the [ __ ] told him. he said yo give you five grand better. and if you [ __ ] this up Chico. scarp looked at him and said man the.

[ __ ] is you talking about we built for. this [ __ ] man you know when um he lost. he lost his man in the mix but he was. able to prove to himself. that I could do it yeah that's how I. look at rap as like yo I don't give a. [ __ ] yeah we'll take this we'll take. this little bit of money but we're going. to prove to y'all later on that we know. what the [ __ ] we doing and for young. people listening to this every chance. you take where you fail that's a lesson.

learn and you just keep Taking Chances. keep going pick yourself back up figure. out where you [ __ ] up and learn from. that now you're better that's right now. you have more experience coming into. this next thing just keep going just. keep going man just keep going. especially as artists it's just like so. many artists they don't hit until they. do that's right and then when they do. it's like oh and then people want to go. back in their past stuff like oh this. guy had [ __ ] three albums before this. yeah think about it think about all our. favorite artists out there you know um.

Eminem you know Eminem been trying to. [ __ ] get on you know um you know. um rock Kim slick rck all these guys. they they went through they went through. a lot to get on you know what I mean Biz. Moy you know nobody wanted to [ __ ] with. Biz at first but you know he finally. figured the code out and was like yo. this is what I'mma do you know he start. rocking shows and different communities. and next thing you know people start. hearing about him and you're like oh.

[ __ ] yo this guy is dope but it's that. sacrifice man I tell people all the time. got a sacrifice it's time put in time. put in energy effort determination and. you got to have some. talent talent is just God just gives you. something or doesn't you know some. people just got it you know some people. it's also like artistic families like. Nas you know he grew up in this like. intellectual artistic family and that's.

why his Rhymes are so good yeah his pops. man his pops as a musician yeah good. friend of rewind that's like one of the. greatest songs of any genre anybody's. ever written it's a genius song so crazy. I was listening to that [ __ ] yesterday. geni bu goes back in the gun yeah genius. song the whole song backwards you [ __ ]. with lyrics and it's oh I love Nas. especially for lyrics his lyrics are. incredible they they were so good so. were so good and and unusual like that.

like deciding he going be the first guy. to make a rap backwards and make it work. perfectly yeah you know I mean it's. justy did you ever listen to uh any of. the [ __ ] where um the Brand New Heavies. got together with a bunch of rappers the. Brand New Heavies I know the name but. I'm the Brand New Heavies is like a jazz. band they did they did a collaboration. with gangar cool G Rap a bunch of guys. some of my favorite [ __ ] of all time. yeah they was more musical though like.

was more musical yeah have you ever. heard COI rap's death. threat oh my God Jamie playing me this. [ __ ] play that find that we put we got. to put on the headphones for this this. is in my uh along with a bunch of wuang. this is in my this is in my uh Spotify. playlist this is co G rapping like I. want to say 92 yeah 92 listen to. this something that I'm a flake but I'm. noake [ __ ] cuz I take a [ __ ] make a a. Witcher burn his ass at the state with.

the 44 mag so simple put it to his. Temple [ __ ] out to give a [ __ ]. permanent ass never heard this sh. this w got [ __ ] doing jumping. jacks you [ __ ] lost it I bet. your ass like you know your flak get. frosted cuz what you on. the one of my favorites right there. turning chicks with small dicks.

fuig getet [ __ ] it's just a. [ __ ] death threat nice so good. nice so good so this was on the Brand. New Heavies album yes the Brand New. Heavies did one with Gangstar they they. did a bunch of different artists nice. and what year was this' 92 phenomenal. the beginning yeah yeah I was on a road. trip I was doing a gig in Connecticut. with a buddy of mine who's a comedian. and uh he turned me on this like you got. to listen to this [ __ ]. oh my God and then I I had a CD and I.

lost it and I couldn't find it for and. then someone brought it up like a few. years back like six or seven years back. and I was like it's got you got to be. able to find it and that's the beautiful. thing about today with like YouTube and. you know so many these platforms people. upload [ __ ] you totally forgot about. like Tim Dog you know people forgot. about like [ __ ] Compton remember that. yeah yeah yeah he was a wild cat but he. was real was good though he was yeah he. was whing back then yeah great [ __ ] man.

yeah he was whing back then but Coogi. rap that to me was like that defined. like Road gigs for me in the 1990s when. we were drive that was when [ __ ]. blocking came out remember that the W. [ __ ] oh my God that song is Amazing yeah. man damn so you you really you really. pay attention to this [ __ ] hiph hop. [ __ ] like that man yeah hip-hop was a. big part of my my childhood or my my. young adulthood you know when I was. driving around a lot doing comedy gigs. like a lot of Ghetto Boys I was a huge.

Ghetto Boys fan yeah me too you know. ghetto Bo I was playing the other day in. the green room I was playing [ __ ] a war. for these young kids I was like listen. this is a song from the. 1980s about the Iraq War this is about. George Bush in in like the 19 late. 1980s and it applies today you remember. [ __ ] of War [ __ ] War nah you f on. headphones are coming back on let's go. [ __ ] schooling me on [ __ ] like I. talked to wiie D Willie D told me wrote. this song in 40 minutes wow yeah just.

angry wrote this song in 40 minutes and. this is Ghetto Boys in their Prime hello. can I speak you know thatb Bushwick Bill. that was my guy right there man this is. Bushwick [ __ ] bill you that. you've been drafted into the United. States. military United States 91. 91 me. yeah yeah Yik what's up look at that big.

phone he's. got yeah yeah I have one of those. before I don't give a [ __ ] about you and. all that [ __ ] you're stressing [ __ ]. to explain little something like this. [ __ ] that's how I feel send. [ __ ] to to get K CU two suckers can't. agree on something thousand. [ __ ] die for nothing you can't. pay me to join an army camp or any the. [ __ ] military branch of this. United goddamn states of that [ __ ].

America be a soldier four they put nigas. on the front line. it behind my leg. sh. crazy [ __ ] I don't know yo Bush. I Ain your damn ho the en right here. foreigners never did [ __ ] to me all.

those wasted lives and only one or two. get. recognized. [Music]. [Laughter]. [Music]. good got home what the [ __ ] do I know. about a grenade all I know is a count in. my 12 G and what. yeah he was in the NWA chamber he was in.

the NWA chamber right there that [ __ ]. was. good me thinking that applies today we. were all talking about what's going on. right now with Gaza and Palestine I know. Iran I was like listen to this and see. this is why we love hip hop so much is. because it was educational too it was. giving us Jews it was talking about. things that were going on in the world. and that became the television for us.

the music the music the mus became the. news too like you need to know what was. actually going on like [ __ ] a war tells. you what's really going was going on. yeah so when I think about those Compton. boys those NWA cats and all of that that. was expressing themselves it was like. that's what we all were facing and. living amongst and you know like I said. I never heard that song before so I. could tell that was made around the time. time when NWA was doing a and you know.

you hearing about all these riots and. [ __ ] going on and things happening you. know us living all the way on the other. side of the world it's like yo we not yo. what the [ __ ] was that right you know. but you heard it in the song and you. knew it was real right you respected it. and to me those perspectives and music. were important for us because we were. learning as we were getting older about. Society you know you don't think about. society when you poor and and living in.

in in [ __ ] up positions you just think. about survival right you see what I'm. saying survival is only thing on your. mind and you you you you're dealing with. things that's in front of you that at. the end of the day you like damn the. [ __ ] was that that just happened or what. was this [ __ ] but then when you heard it. in rapping and [ __ ] like these. was talking about and all that it's like. now you was like oh okay I see what the. [ __ ] is going on it's not just here it's. all over it's in every everywhere every. ghetto or whatever the case may be.

that's what was happening so I never. heard that before though you just you. just put me on some little [ __ ] and. that's one of my favorite groups right. there ghetto ghetto boys real [ __ ] right. there the the 1990s Ghetto Boy era o o. crazy and that like I remember the day I. found out about NWA I was uh teaching. taekwon doe in Riv Massachusetts and I. was at the gym riding on the stair. climber and uh I had just picked up this.

cassette and I was like NWA I keep. hearing about this and [ __ ] the police. was the first song I listened to and I. remember I was on the stair climber. going this is wild you see what I'm. saying wild you're you're hearing people. talk about the police like they're. getting harassed by the police in a way. you never heard before heard say yeah ex. Fu the police coming straight from the. underground it was like I was like. wow it was a totally different kind of. music it was it was like they were. rapping and no one was listening it was.

like they were rapping for themselves. right yeah like they didn't give a [ __ ]. who was listening they were rapping like. they were doing it for their friends but. they were doing it to the whole world. and the whole world was like. whoa 100 miles and running the whole. world was like whoa this is crazy so. look you had them you had Public Enemy. oh yeah all of them type of guys were. giving us information that was relatable. in our community that. they ks1 the teacher you know that's of.

the police all that [ __ ] right there to. me was was knowledgeable knowledgeable. rap hip-hop I ain't going to call it. [ __ ] rap hip-hop informational. information right they like especially. krs1 and Public Enemy yeah they were. they were saying something it was like. very it but it wasn't contrived know. right exactly wasn't like you know you. see people say [ __ ] today like ah you. just doing that for claps like they were.

saying [ __ ] to let people know about. some information that you're not aware. of and this is why you're getting [ __ ]. this is why we're all getting [ __ ]. absolutely come on come on even when. [ __ ] um [ __ ] Le made do do the right. thing one of my favorite movies right. there that's a classic right there. classic class classic [ __ ] word classic. but like you said we was getting. information and you know you got to. remember you know at the end of the day. you know a lot of people that coming out.

of the you know the hood and just being. like I know you you come from the hood. you you know I was born in nework yeah. he was born in nework shout out to. nework so you you seen it I wouldn't. exactly say I come from the hood cuz I. went to high school in the suburbs yeah. but you yeah yeah that's true I lived in. nework I was telling you I lived in New. York when I was 23 for about SE six or. seven months and I told you my next door. neighbor he was selling dope and the the. police raided his house while I was. there they battering rammed his door and. everything he had a nice Audi I looked. him like how this dude has a nice car.

selling dope he was selling dope and. they got him but you was around it. though so you was able to you know well. that was also the time that I was the. most into hip-hop too I mean that was. 1991 I guess 9091 that was a wild era. cuz that's when hip-hop was just. exploding yeah you're exploding yeah I. would say definitely 91 you had Naughty. by Nature you know they had emerged on. the scene like you said um rock Kim and. and Big Daddy canes oh yeah Easy E and.

ice cubes all I go to work one of my. favorite workout songs what which big. daddy king I go to. work that's one of our icons there oh my. God I got to work icons yeah oh he was. so smooth and so fast too you know Big. Daddy Kane had like a very particular. style it was energetic you know you. heard his style like God you like your. blood started pumping you know yeah you.

started getting moving and see those are. the type of guys that paid the way for. us to be so you know outspoken on the. mic you know when I when I sit here when. I think about the clan you know the woo. on how we you know form we form Von each. one of us had a superpower that related. back to those guys you know all these. guys that we talking about today. um they was the they was the light bulb.

right in the in the in in the house you. screw that [ __ ] on you this is what I. see right now I see slick wreck I see. Rock Kim I see Cube I see [ __ ] you. know um all these guys that paid the way. for us so the clan at that time we were. so you know inclined on knowing about. all these guys knowing majority of them. we kept a piece of them in US. that helped us become who we are like I.

tell [ __ ] all the time I say yo. let me tell you something when we came. out Naughty by Nature was the [ __ ] they. was they was [ __ ] [ __ ] up on the East. Coast side of things you know and at. that time you had them you had EPMD you. had Queen Latifa roxan Shante all of. these you know artists back then were. blowing up LL Camp front on LL LL that. guy um LL was huge koogi rap one of my. favorites I know that's one of your.

favorites um you know the Fat Boys all. these guys were just that's right Fat. Boys you know these guys was giving us. so much food for thought that we knew. that if we didn't come on that level we. wasn't built to be in a game at that. time well there was so much high quality. yeah the the the high quality that's the. word the level was very high was the. lyrics were so good like You' Hear. lyrics and just go oh. yeah that was the thing that was the.

thing about lyrics I love I'm I Love. lyrics lyrics is everything that's right. lyrics you know it's like that was the. style back then it was like the most. clever guy the most clever lyrics it was. it was so important you know there so. many guys that just had everybody was. battling for so it was like more and. more cleverness and more and more. intricacies and more and more twists. what they were saying yeah it was just a. vibrant art form man like like how many.

people cheated on their significant. other because of op right how many. exactly how many relationship op yeah. you know me cheering it was like a. licens to [ __ ] people were cheering. exactly I mean it had so the hip-hop had. so much influence on the culture and it. emerged out of nowhere that's what's so. crazy like 10 years ago doesn't exist. boom I mean even rock and roll I mean. rock and roll you had 50s it starts to. emerge then the 60s really takes off and.

you know it been around for a while to. have something like hip-hop just explode. and make a lot of other things look lame. you know especially for young kids. because when you hear guys like you and. you know ghost face and you know Method. Man and like you're dealing with real. dudes who are talking about real [ __ ]. and everybody else just look kind of. lame. you you know it's like that was stupid. man you know it was like they didn't. even swear you know like you you guys.

were wild it was fun and it was clever. and I think Rizza did a genius Thing by. naming it wuang clan cuz it connected it. to like this Kung Fu mindset know I know. you big on Kung Fu [ __ ] cuz I'm coming. through your Shrine and [ __ ] you got all. kind of [ __ ] Shogun warriors real. samurai outfit out there yeah but nah. but you know what's so crazy I tell. people is like. when rard when they was on they wuang.

[ __ ] we wasn't on that I grew up. watching more like scarfing mafia movies. Once Upon a Time in America oh yeah one. of my favorite movies a great one people. forget about one spot time in America. that's my [ __ ] movie right there. that's my that's my movie so we were. like we were living in this we were. living around a lot of hustlers a lot of. a lot of drugs was being sold in my. community at that time right so when Riz. came with the whole Wu Tang.

philosophy it was almost like yeah we. love karate flicks we would watch him. you know about the karate flicks 3:00. 3:00 yeah we come over and school them. [ __ ] is on Channel 5 all of that [ __ ]. but if you notice and you look at those. karate movies it was about a place that. you know was filled with a lot of crime. and aggressive people that were doing. things that bothered other people and.

you either had to protect your people or. you had to make a name for yourself now. when you think about Wu Tang I'm going. just give you a quick lesson on what Wu. Tang was Wu Tang was a school that was. in. Shin this particular School these [ __ ]. was crazy they was [ __ ] up they got. kicked the [ __ ] out of shon really they. got kicked out yo y'all bugged out y'all. whing y but these guys were very good.

but they just couldn't sit in Shin. because they had a different way of. looking at [ __ ] and doing [ __ ] so when. Rizza came with the whole philosophy of. it it's this movie that's called Shon. versus Wu Tang right check it out. whenever you get a chance so whatever. was going on in that movie he made a. reality of it cuz really at the end of. the day that's how we were living back. in Staten Allen you know so we W up. changing the name and calling it Shin. because we were the Forgotten Barrel you.

know when you think about Brooklyn Bronx. Queens. Manhattan why don't really talk too much. about [ __ ] St now that bothered us so. we didn't we felt rebellious like yo you. come out here you ain't from here you. better know somebody you're not [ __ ]. coming in the projects thinking you GNA. [ __ ] act like you're going over to. your friends I remember we used to see. UFOs come through we call them UFOs. under unidentified flying objects the. [ __ ] he doing here yo follow him go yo. yo you came to see you know what I mean.

because we had so much to prove but it. was the same thing that was going on in. the karate flicks like yo you go to a. new name who is this guy either he's. coming to play you he's coming to play. you or or you gonna play him this is all. the [ __ ] that's going on in the karate. movies you know the Brotherhood yo oh. [ __ ] my brother got hurt what happened. oh hold up let's go we got to go get. back to that yeah we gotta go figure. that out all this [ __ ] that rizer was. thinking about at that time was a. reality check for us in Staten Island so.

even when he came with the name it was. almost like yo wow that [ __ ] is. interesting you know wuang Clan yo you. know and back then he was hanging in. ghost's Community which was Stapleton so. Stapleton was a place that was maybe. like 10 15 miles away from Park Hill. where I'm from I'm from the hill I'm. from up there they was selling drugs and. getting crazy with it and Jamaicans and. West Indians and gye and you know it was.

a Melting Pot you know it's a Melting. Pot of different nationalities of. [ __ ] you had the Spanish. [ __ ] over here selling dope you. know what I mean you had the white boys. over here [ __ ] doing what they doing. you know um all these things was going. on but in Stapleton it was nothing but. criminals and [ __ ] that want to. fight and and and Rob and steal and you. know and um Rizza was hanging out there. a lot you know so they came up with this.

whole you know wuang mentality thing. that they brought up the block to us so. when RZ came with it it was like oh [ __ ]. we like that that's kind of dope but you. know we see the vision of that you know. but um it was it was never for us to. look at it at any given time like yo you. trying to portray us as some [ __ ]. ninjas or some [ __ ] you know a lot of. times people thought yo y [ __ ] no. karate in all don't no [ __ ] [ __ ]. karate [ __ ] we don't do that but. we grew up our older C our older.

brothers and sisters they grew up on. that that was some early 70s [ __ ] right. there yeah so you know back then you. might have had a cousin that was a. martial art he knew the Arts and [ __ ]. you know you looked up to him like yo. this [ __ ] is hell right here he. know he know the Arts and [ __ ] he know. how to fight you know your [ __ ]. would being back at the building with. two Doberman pinches and [ __ ] you know. what I mean beating them with [ __ ]. laundry man hoses and [ __ ] and you know. grabbing them and hanging them on [ __ ]. and you know back then that was you know.

that was dope to see your cousins and. all of them do it but Rizo when he came. with this philosophy it kind of like. [ __ ] us all up and it but we agreed. with it right away cuz wuang was to them. was always something like a a um an. expression so if you drinking this is. wuang I'm drinking you you you over here. yo this is some wuang [ __ ] or whatever. because he was trying to say that we. would just like them in the in the. flicks it's crazy want to hear something. crazy whenever I kill an elk you know I.

go uh bow hunting every year whenever. kill elk when I text my friend cam I. text wuk Tang like whenever I kill. something I'll show you I'll show you. that's true I've seen some of the. pictures I know but I want to show you. that that's true I'm not making this up. it goes back years it goes back years. this is like our tradition whenever I. killer elk well I'm gonna find this I'm. gonna find the last time I said wuang I. text him every day so it's gonna take a. second. to get back into some pictures but. whenever I get one I say wo tang and.

then I send him a picture oh [ __ ] amaz. crazy it's going to take a while because. I do scroll but this is important to. show you this is real come on. [ __ ] go back and search wuang. and it'll show you oh it'll show you. yeah oh okay look at J under cam hands. or just wuang it you then when you find. cams it'll show you oh look at Jamie. tell me how to do it sorry here we go. see all here it is. right there Wu Tang holy.

[ __ ] and then the El is down wow and. that was from October but I got I go. back like five years of doing that like. every time I shoot a el I text Wu tag. wow crazy when you started hunting since. you came out here no I started hunting. in 2012 oh [ __ ] I shot that deer that. deer that that head that's right there. that was the first wow animal I hunted. and then I was like okay that's what I'm. doing right crazy I was it was either. for me it was that or become a.

vegetarian I watched too many of those. pea films oh you know those animal. factory farming films and torture films. I was like [ __ ] this like either I'm. going to be a vegan or I'm going to. learn how to hunt and uh my friend Steve. Rella took me hunting I shot that deer. I'm like all right that's what I do now. oh [ __ ] and I've been doing it ever. since so I've been hunting for 12 years. 12 years yeah so you consider yourself a. marksman then uh well it's like I'm not. really good like compared to real. Marksman you know that's like saying.

you're a black belt when you're not. really a black belt you know like I go. through the courses yeah like how good. are you I mean I'm good for regular. people yeah if you didn't know You'. think I'm really good yeah but like for. people that are really good no I'm not. not near nearly at their level but you. know there's like professional archers. that are like super accurate out to 100. yards they could shoot like a. softball-sized Group at 100 yards. consistently I got a couple of homeboy. who could shoot like that though it's a. lot of discipline yeah lot of discipline.

yeah but they they come from they live. on this side of town too though yeah. well there's a lot of bow hunting in. Texas yeah that's what I'm say lot of. bow hunting in Texas yeah it's fun yeah. I like it I got to get out there one day. man I gotta you know I told you like we. were talking before the show like you. want to learn I could put you on some. people that'll 100% teach how to do it. and cuz you're you're fairly close like. that's a easy thing to do we can hook it. up yeah definitely you would enjoy it. it's a it's also it's a nice discipline. to clear your mind you just set a Target.

up in the backyard and just shoot the. target it just clears your mind cuz you. have to really concentrate on it and. while you're doing it you don't think. about nothing else for a guy like you. busy so much [ __ ] going on like it's. good to have a thing like that to just. it's like a sport to me it's like. something to learn and and and kind of. Master that's important but it's one of. those things like like shooting a free. throw like at that moment you can't. think of anything else other than what. you're doing if other [ __ ] gets in your. head it's like you don't have any room.

FOC you got to push it all out and just. think oh and that kind of stuff like. cleans your mind exactly it's like it. flushes your mind out that's what it all. that's what it's all about at the end of. the day man just kind of like get a. piece of mind and Vibe vibe to something. different though you know yeah I always. say that for artists too you should find. some other thing you like to do just to. give you a little break mentally from. whatever you're trying to do exactly you. could you could get too close to. something and lose sight of the big. picture if you're all wrapped up in it.

to tight sometimes you need something. else that you also enjoy outside of it. and then you could look at what you do. okay what am I doing different exactly. maybe I should put a new Wrinkle in this. maybe I should take a new turn you know. that's important man that's important. man that's important you know what. what's another cool thing about today is. that um it used to be thought at one. point in time I think it was like the. early 2000s that rap had that hip hop. had uh a shelf life and that there.

wouldn't be Classics you know what I. mean like the Rolling Stones were still. touring you know they were 58 years old. back then like this is crazy the Rolling. Stones are back on the road but that was. like a new thing it was like old rock. and roll guys out torn was a new thing. but with hip-hop artists like if you. weren't in now if you weren't new now it. kind of people weren't into to go to see. you right yeah well when I see guys like. LL and Kane and them perform and Slick.

Rick and Ice Cube it it kind of it gives. me more leverage and more strength to. want to do it because I see some of my. Legends still doing it today but um yeah. man like you said just to um see a lot. of guys like the Rolling Stones and mck. Jagger and them still performing it's. like why not why not why not why why. give up on it you know but with hip hop. it wasn't really thing for a long time. like hiop you didn't think that it would. last right you know what I mean so you.

felt like you would get a fiveyear run. they say any artist that was coming out. back in the 90s they was already putting. a cap on how long or how far they felt. you was going to go so even for us we. was like yo hey we do this [ __ ] for like. three or four years we good yo we'll be. cool with that so they always put us in. a. what's the word I want to say what's. that what's a box put us in a box yeah.

to make us feel like at the end of the. day yo [ __ ] is going to be here for a. minute then it's over you know but. seeing guys still doing it you know I. don't give a [ __ ] like I listen to Billy. Joel I'm a Billy Joel fan that's my. [ __ ] guy right there that's hilarious. know um people I know people would be. like get the [ __ ] out that's hilarious I. love his old [ __ ] until he until he had. that supermodel wife then everything got. Real Salt you got too much [ __ ]. yeah too much good [ __ ] he got super.

mono [ __ ] and it's like Uptown girl. she's been living in her Uptown world. before that you go back to his other. [ __ ] you know oh the good D young oh. that's a great Jam he's got some great. stuff man scenes from an Italian. restaurant that's a great song Man. Captain Jack oo Captain Jack's a great. song Billy Joe man but when he got older. it just became you know hey he's. changing as a human a New Yorker too. right New Yorker to the heart right.

there right man that guy sold out Mass. Square Garden like 300 times you see. what I'm saying going still going still. going yeah still going so those are our. heroes those are guys that we we look up. to that you know they still doing. anything man yeah it's just beautiful. that uh hip-hop is like that now because. uh I feel like in the 2000s only it was. more overseas was showing you guys love. yeah like a lot of Europe like a lot of. my friends that were like maybe bigger.

in the 9s they had to go over to. Europe come check out hip hop and I tell. people all the time like being being. from the states being where we from I. think they appreciate it more because. they they never really got a chance to. grasp it as much as we did right so they. come out more right right now today. they're more enthusiastic they more they. love it more you know so they can't yeah. they can't believe it but for me I think. I love performing a lot more when I go.

when I go out there because they come. out and they never. ever make you feel like they don't. appreciate you you know what I mean and. um even to this day it's like the clan. still goes out there and makes a ton of. cash we see a lot of. people and we see young generations of. kids now too it's like yo you look in. the crowd you like yo how the [ __ ] how. old is that [ __ ] kid that we just we. just put him on stage and he knew the he. knew the [ __ ] words like yo he's.

might he might have been like 17 16. years old like yo he wasn't even [ __ ]. born well there's classic hip-hop now. you know what I'm saying like when I was. a kid there was classic rock you like. you listen to lead Zeppelin it was. classic rock now there's classic hip-hop. W which is amazing yeah you know right. you're right well it just shows that the. culture like completely accepted it as. an art form and so now young kids that. get into hip-hop maybe one of their. friends will be like hey you you ever. heard of this and then they turn them on. to new stuff exactly and they're like.

wow yeah yeah this is 1992 you know that. [ __ ] you know and I think that that's. how we were we always were infatuated. with the music before our time you know. I'm like how you just said like yo you. know listening to Sugar Hill Gang you. know I actually had them in one of my. videos before really word you know how. that and I bought him to My Hood too so. you know how that felt for me [ __ ]. sugar hell gang come out to my community. that's amazing that was dope though.

right there man but yeah man it you know. that's why I always feel like yo I I. tell people all the time you have to. respect the people that did it before. you man because they gave you something. to to dream about to be able to instill. in yourself like if you don't have that. then you're not you're not moving the. way you're supposed to be moving you. know I remember old man would tell us if. you don't know where you came from. you'll never know where you going so. having that history that history is is.

an experience that sticks with you. forever you have to have that don't try. to front on that you know and I think a. lot of times people you know they look. at hip-hop and they think certain things. is hip-hop it's like. history of hip-hop is something that you. got to know man you got to know it you. got to know it you got to know it you. should know it like the history of the. United States exactly it's it's. something if you're an artist like that. what that's what lit the fire somebody.

had to light the fire and if these young. guys don't know like hey this [ __ ]. didn't even exist in 1979 didn't even. exist that's not that long ago and then. all of a sudden now it's everywhere like. what happen somebody lit the fire and if. they didn't light that fire you wouldn't. you wouldn't have it exactly you. wouldn't have the Embers you wouldn't. you wouldn't have this desire to try. this thing exactly now look what it's. doing look what it did it's like yo one. of the biggest genres of music is like. you know and there's a lot of times. people take shots at it like you know y'.

a't talking negative y Ain talking this. they talking that it's like my thing to. that is always like yo it's no different. from going to see a scary movie exactly. Jason [ __ ] killing. [ __ ] in the woods I hated Camp. you know what I mean based on that heat. is one of my favorite movies right great. [ __ ] movie I love heat you know daero. Dao and but why is it okay to do that in. the movie but it's not could he do that. in a song right I don't understand it I. don't you know but it's hypocritical you.

know it's hypocritical you said it it's. hypocritical cuz they say it encourages. violence and that's the same thing. they'll say about video games like you. know yeah doesn't in everybody yeah so. what's going on really what's going on. really is you have a bunch of. disenfranchised people that don't have. any hope and if they are around a lot of. violence maybe something will get them. excited about violence if they're not. disenfranchised and they have hope. they're not inclined towards violence. it's a so tial problem has nothing to do. with the art itself the art itself is. representative of real experiences so if.

you're telling people that they can't. express themselves about real. experiences you're just going like this. la la la la la I'm not listening that's. all you're doing that's how you feeling. at the end of the day this is these. people's lived expression this is that. which is why wuang was so good the. reason why it was so good is because it. was real like no one was questioning the. authenticity of anybody that was in the. wuang clan so it's like that the message. that you guys were putting out the way. you were putting things out like Bank. Clan Ain't Nothing to [ __ ] with like. that is that it was like from you to the.

world you know and if someone doesn't. like that you don't have to listen. exactly you don't have to listen but if. you slap a warning sticker on it you're. just going to sell more you're listen to. it anyway right you're going to you're. going to you're going to get caught up. in it anyway yeah it's like look prime. example when we made when we made the. record cream. right um cream was a record that. didn't have nothing to do with anything. but the real the realness of what we.

were looking at it wasn't really a a. song to rap to or have fun with it was a. reality it was a picture we was trying. to paint cash rules everything around me. cash rules like around me not me should. never [ __ ] rule you but around me you. know and a friend from the neighborhood. he actually came up with that acronym. but I tell people all the time my cousin. I had a cousin from Brooklyn that he. used to come to Staten Isen and he used. to sell drugs for us and he came up with.

that word cream cuz he was like yo y. long as I can make my cream I'm good I'm. like what the [ __ ] is cream like you. know what I mean he's like yo cream yo. you ever see Tom and Jerry the movie and. you know he make those big [ __ ]. sandwiches and all of that and splash. all that cream on it and then you know. I'm like oh the Tom and Jerry the. sandwiches right yeah when you made the. big sandwich and stuff them in your. mouth and. know nah real [ __ ] real [ __ ] so the. cream that the cream that was splashing. all over the place he was looking at.

that as that's his money like y just. want my cream I just want my cream you. know what I mean so we like yeah you. going to get your cream you you sit up. in the [ __ ] spot all day you going to. make your cream you're going to get it. and um so who came up with the acronym. um a good friend of ours from the. neighborhood um his name is raid right. and him and Method Man is like they was. like real close like brothers so when we. was in the studio. um right into it um he was there and um.

he just sat back and he just came up. with cash rules everything around me and. him and meth they put it together and. next thing you know that that was a hook. you know at that time for me I was still. writing a lot of stories you know so I. wrote believe it or not I wrote two. verses for crem I didn't write my rhyme. never started off as I grew up on the. crime side I was writing about drug. dealers in the in the neighborhood like. y I know this kid by the name of. gigantti gigantti a Teflon Dawn with a.

damante you know the damanes back in the. days was like the you know the Five. series Benes for us back then and um a. good friend of mine was like yo that Ram. is cool I think all like why you like. the r everybody else like it he was like. it's cool I like it so he made me go. back and change it and when I changed it. I started to think before I wrote it I'm. like damn he said yo we need to R about. [ __ ] that's something that we could. relate to that we're dealing with around.

what the [ __ ] we wake up to every day. and that's when I came with I grew up on. the crime side you know the New York. Times side so he he just told you harder. yeah he just told me to think harder. harder yeah he said yo Chef you could. you could you could be a little bit more. creative well cre is crazy because it. became viral that that saying doll bills. y'all became viral you where they come. from the dollar dollar bill y'all dollar.

bill y'all dollar dollar dollar Rock. that's oh wow you remember that record. yeah money it takes. money whatever he was saying back then I. haven't heard that for yeah that was. serious record right there yeah that's a. old school record right there fly [ __ ]. though but um yeah meth and them you. know meth and my man raid they sat down. and they came up with cash everything. around me and it was a perfect a perfect. you know symbol of what we were trying.

to express that we were always trying to. get money but we was dealing with. certain things in our community that you. know that we were trying to get past. first to try to make some money and and. it was a sacrifice it was like yo you do. this [ __ ] you might be able to get out. of it aive or you might not you know so. that record you know wind up blowing up. so big it wound up being one of our. biggest records and it didn't had. nothing to do with it it I guess to me.

it didn't feel hiphop it just felt like. real realization like real [ __ ] is is we. need to start listening like how you. just played the ghetto boy [ __ ] you know. what I mean we trying to give off a. message a message and that's what I. think that people love about wuang is. that we give out messages we give out we. we like an emotional role coaster group. we can give you the W Tang Clan Ain't. Nothing to [ __ ] with and then we can.

give you the tears where it's like oh. [ __ ] yeah the [ __ ] he's right you know. what I mean yo we got to be careful we. got to look at things for real so all. that had a lot to do with being around. smart guys you know what I mean the the. the smartness allowed us to write the. way we wanted to right right and um it's. contagious it was contagious back then. it was that's what I saying like really. good lyrics and high quality rap it's. contagious cuz then everybody else's.

[ __ ] has to be tight too yeah and you. know when you comeing with a group of. guys that yo he kill it you better come. in right you have to come in and and say. some [ __ ] that makes sense like I I give. a lot of credit to our first record. right protect your neck and I know. that's one of your favorite shits when. inspector deck said I smoke on a mic. like smoking Joe Fraser the hell Razer. raising hell with the flavor. yeah that right there opened up yeah.

something with all of us yeah you know. and um I always tell deck I'm like yo. deck you are like a um you are like a. Scotty Pippen you always going to hit if. you get the ball in your hand you know. and he did that he created those that. first verse that you notice me I jumped. right in behind him yeah R's rugg is. built like Schwarz [ __ ] yeah then me. came and you know what I mean everybody. kind of like that's what's so amazing. about all these killers all these.

different voices all these amazing. lyrics all on one song yeah yeah but we. wanted to we wanted to show the world. that each one of us had a style that was. unwrecked um each one of us can paint a. picture within our own way that you will. love all of us so it's better to get us. all now you know will sacrif F the the. little the little look for the bigger. look later right you know and that was.

one of the situations where we had the. dance a certain way to be like okay yeah. we'll take a little bit of money but we. know we're going to be able to sell like. you said yeah give us those 50 we'll. sell them now we know we you telling me. you don't got the money but you got the. relationships okay cool long as you got. the relationship long as you got the. money yeah we gonna go out there and we. gonna work to make it happen but. this is what's got to happen and you. know I I give all the credit to Steve.

riffkin you know um Steve was the guy. that owned loud records back then um he. was a part of RCA back. then and um he believed in us like yo I. give you that deal I give you that deal. and next thing you know when everybody. started taking off now you got Method. Man over here you got jiz over here you. got bastard over here so we did. something that was so new to the world. that it's like oh [ __ ] how from the.

outside it felt different cuz it felt. like a movement right it's like Wu Tang. was like a movement exactly it was it. was different it was like everybody. tried to box everybody tried to box this. is as a group so even though we knew we. were a group in our minds we looked at. it like you said as a movement being. created that would eventually spread out. and and and hit all corners of. everything and that was the plan all the. time that was a premeditated plan cuz. they wanted us to still be a group he.

was like nah. we look we sacrificing this and that but. we not going to box ourselves right you. know so by us doing that it kind of like. really paid the way for other groups and. other artists and everybody to to kind. of you know follow this blueprint so now. you have you know these other other guys. coming out and creating their own labels. and bringing in artists that they wanted. to do so to me this kind of made hip hop.

a little bit more interesting because it. showed that artists was starting to get. more smarter which is important you know. we didn't want to be just like you said. yo just coming in and you sell your soul. and you just stay there n we can't just. stay there we can't is one of the. hardest parts getting the right beat. oh the beat is everything bro because. it seems like all you guys are very. prolific everybody can write but if you.

don't have a great beat and how many. great beats can you make right if you. got an album then another album's coming. out next year like whoa you got to have. 16 20 great beats yeah and then you got. to pick from those beats what what you. know what goes with what song and try. different ways out and you got to make. sure everybody shows up at the. studio how hard was that that [ __ ] was. real bro I mean I tell people all the. time like. number one for us like you know being. around so many different Lyricist.

Lyricist. guys beats are important you know I. remember one time a fan asked me he said. yo what's the most important thing to. you the rhyme with a beat he [ __ ] me. up the whole day with that I was [ __ ]. up and and and and I and I answered him. I gave him an answer like probably like. three or four minutes later and I was. like you know what nobody never ask me. that I said the beat I said you know why. the beat because the beat makes you. think about what you want to say and.

what you w to get across you know. anybody could make Rhymes I can have you. sit with me for [ __ ] a month and you. could be a ill [ __ ] rapper you I can. take you there but to be able to have. that combination factor of making a body. of work or or that sound that you want. you need to have the right production so. a lot of times wuang wrote to whatever. they felt it's like how you could listen.

to protect your neck and you get that. energy from us yes you know you get a. certain energy because of that. production then you get this energy when. you get you you get a cream you get that. right so for me I always tell people the. beat is everything you know and us just. sitting down and waiting for Riz to come. up with something like one thing about. rzza he was so clever you know he had a. team guys that was around him that was. assisting him to helping him come with. different sounds and you know he played.

with different things and of course you. know just having his ear for music and. listening to other people's stuff he was. able to isolate himself away from. everything and and start brainstorming. for us so it's like a um he was like a. um he was like the Steelers back in the. [ __ ] 80s you know what I mean when. they won four Super Bowls in a row R he. was like that when Terry Bradshaw and. them was playing ly Swan and he was in a. Zone he was in a he was really in a Zone.

especially because it became successful. and then there was a lot of motivation. behind it a lot of energy behind it yeah. I hear what you're saying but without. the lyrics The Beat is not the same it's. I I see from your perspective as a. Lyricist and as an MC that you would. think that the beat is more important. because it's important to you to get. started to get started but damn for as a. fan You lyrics lyrics to Just the Beats. by themselves that's not enough look you.

know how many times me and will argue. about that and I would tell them like yo. listen bro it took it took all of us it. took yeah you had that you had this we. had that that's what it's a 50/50. proposition at at I think it's more 6040. I think it's more 60 lyrics because the. thing is the lyrics are the thing that. make you go oh. [ __ ] like a great great beat makes you. move your head and gets you going but. lyrics make you go oh [ __ ] like rewind. that well you know that you know me is.

50/50 all the time because if I don't. have nothing to give me that energy to. write right right right how can I give. it to you if I don't have nothing it's a. collaboration for sure it's a. collaboration for sure but but it's. interesting that people would think like. what's more important like what's what's. more important breathing or having a. heartbeat shut the [ __ ] up like you need. both you need both you got to balance it. you got have to have both but that's the. where the collaboration comes in you had. Scott storin here the other day oh what.

oh yeah I love that dude he's so [ __ ]. talented so out there you know his. glasses on just [ __ ] like you see. feeling the music it's like a rare. Savant there's dudes like that that are. like beat machines you know like he just. feels it it comes into his head and he. feels it and just coming out of his. fingers you know yeah he's a super. talented talent I love him like that. kind of guy is so special and you know. to team uh the kind of guy like that up.

with Dre or you know with uh you know 50. or any of these people that he. collaborated with it's like that's. that's special and that's why like I. said you know what I mean you you can't. never front on the Maestro you know what. I mean you got to remember that you know. DJing started it all let's be honest you. know what I mean the DJ. game important scratching you know they. created a a Synergy to the artist to be. like yo let me let me try this even even.

if you go back to like I said look at. look at Quincy Jones man look look what. the [ __ ] he did man right right you know. look at look at Frank Sina like who the. [ __ ] was handing his [ __ ] music man. right he was so clever he needed a Vibe. though he needed something who was that. guy you ever hear Frank s when he was. young oh he was before he was smoking. all those cigarettes a super high high. pitch voice it's crazy it's crazy right. it's crazy you listen to the difference. like wow it had so much range was the.

production though I don't know I don't. know you know he never really got he. never really got famous I guess well I. think the whole thing back then was. Elvis or whoever it was you know whoever. was the person that was in front. everybody behind the scenes didn't. really get that much respect right right. you but he was a talented boy who was. that crazy dude that wore the wigs that. shot that lady in La he produced all the. beat [ __ ] he had that W he he got tried. for murder and every day on on in the. courtroom he'd wear a different wild wig.

he created the wall of sound [ __ ] what's. his name he was really insane Phil. Spectre Phil spect Phil Spectre back in. the day he was known for pulling guns on. people he put guns on people stick them. in their mouths and [ __ ] he was a. complete. psychopathy yeah and he Jewish guy I. think and he shot this lady in the mouth. oh [ __ ] was he Jewish I don't want any. Jewish people mad at me Jewish people. get mad when you say someone's not. Jewish and they did something. terrible hey look guys we we noted I'm.

just. saying talented successful Jewish people. in the entertainment business man but. that dude uh he uh he was responsible. for the wall of sound the The Beatles. like that was a big thing with him like. he was uh known for being a guy that. would change people's. music Russian Jewish boom failed it yeah. what's up and he was from the from the. Bronx yeah holy [ __ ] Wild Wild Boy and. uh shot some lady picked up some lady at.

a bar took her back to this place and. shot her in the mouth holy [ __ ] yeah he. he would put guns in people's mouths. like he was known for threatening people. like you want to get out of this [ __ ]. contract and just shove a gun in your. mouth wow what's. that he pulled a gun on share he pulled. the gun out on share sh recalls stopping. Phil Spectre in his tracks when he. pulled a gun on her he could and pull. that [ __ ] with me right right right. right we had this really strange. relationship you don't say you don't say. you don't well it's like the music.

business at one point in time was run. entirely by gangsters of course that's. the story about Hendrick you know the. story about Hendrick was that his. manager killed him that's the conspiracy. was that his manager killed him because. it's more valuable for Hendrick to be. dead his music he's a a mro like a one. in a billion year talent and that they. knew that they had all these recordings. of them and they could kill him and so. that's why his girlfriend jumped off top. of building yeah to own his [ __ ] cuz he.

was going to leave his management his uh. bodyguard wrote a book about it years. later and it just came out like I want. to say like 10 years ago was that long. ago whereas The Bodyguard said yeah the. manager killed him killed Hendrick and. uh threw the girlfriend off roof movie. of them too oh yeah they did a bunch of. movies on they need to do a real wuang. movie I know Hulu had a series but they. need a real like Quinton Tarantino needs. to do a I know Quinton Tarantino that's.

what I think I think we talk Quint. Tarantino because he wants to do one. more movie how he does a [ __ ] wuang. movie the real wuang movie qu cuz like. Hulu's great but it has to be on Hulu. you can only get that so wild on Hulu. you know like for it to be real real it. has to be a movie let me tell you. something I wrote a book right and um. inside my book I talked about how qtip a. good friend of mine. qtip he had he had me and Leonardo sit.

down leio huh Leonardo decaprio Leonardo. DiCaprio right and I remember qti was. like yo set up a meeting for you and. Leonardo to meet in Brooklyn at this. small pizza shop one of Leonardo's. favorite spots and um he want to talk to. you so yeah that's what's up so me and. leonardos we started talking and he was. like yo qtip was telling me that you was. he was thinking about trying to you know. get guys together to create a movie I.

was like yeah this is what I was. thinking so make a long story short I. set up a meeting with. Rizza myself Leonardo's people in. LA and I told R I said listen before we. do this Hulu thing which at the end of. the day it was Ariz AR riz's production. thing or whatever he was doing I said. said I think we need to make a. realistic real life movie of us said it.

it shouldn't be nothing that we should. play with because people need to know. our real story so R entertained the. conversation but I don't know for some. reason I guess he felt like he was. committed to doing whatever he wanted to. do with Hulu he might already had a deal. yeah yeah and you know like I said at. the end of the day the clan you know. what I mean yeah yeah f with J was the. best it was that it was that night and I. remember that I wish we could have been. able to sit down with him cuz the way I.

had him looking at it it was almost like. I told him I said this would be like a. SM like a um slash of of Good. Fellas and um Minister Society yeah. mixed in one yeah you know to kind of. talk about our story and whatever and he. was super open he was like yo Chef what. we got to do yo who do we need to talk. to but at that time Rizza was already in. pocket on what he wanted to do so I said.

you know what one day you know maybe I. might get a chance to show my version of. it because come on how many how many. Pablo Escobar movies we looked at right. right right you know what I mean you got. these guys telling it you got people. still be made for sure still be made. 100% just because there's a Hulu that. doesn't mean [ __ ] right but I think that. at the end of the day you know God. willing we will really give you guys. another taste of of really how how we.

really see it you know I think it would. be hugely successful I think for a music. from from a movie rather perspective. would you rather see it as a movie or. would you a movie a movie go that's how. or you do it like on Netflix where you. can get wild yeah you know do it like. you know like Netflix has [ __ ] like. Ozark they get wild on Netflix you can. get wild that's how it has to be it has. to be grimy it has to be that's how you. want it right it it can't be in any way. ABC after school special fied you know. what I'm saying like it can't be it.

can't be cleaned up through a filter it. has to be good too it has to be like. good narrative it has to be set up the. scenes have to be set because it's very. hard to take an insane career of nine of. the best MC's get together under one. Mastermind with all these genius talents. and they form this mov you're going to. cond that to 2. hours there he was he was like yo R yo.

yo blah blah blah yo you. know that's what I said I said yo look. come on now I said people do it all the. time I said yo look at prime example. look at NWA I thought NWA movie was dope. you know what I mean Straight Out of. Compton I thought they did a good job. but that was Dre and Cube and you know. I'm sure I'm sure you always going to. have somebody around that be like yo n. that ain't it that ain't but it was so. realistic that when I seen ours it was.

like all right I get it you know RZ even. said y' you know this is more for the. younger generation to kind of gravitate. to and once everybody loved it they. loved it so it was like okay y'all love. it we love y'all for loving it it's. great it's great but hear me out M. opening of the movie Rikers opening of. the movie you guys show up at Rikers to. do the concert where old Eddy bastards. inside that's the opening of the movie. you all that's the opening of the movie.

you want all the real gritty you want. the but that just get everybody on the. hook right away and then he'll bring. them back to the beginning right after. that you you you know you put the year. whatever and that's how you make movies. you pick all the you pick all the. greatest moments yes and then you start. someone and threaten right that's a. no-brainer for wuang movie you start. with Rikers you start with Rikers which. is what year was that. 95 what year was that when did was the.

old dirty bastard and Riker concert with. yeah I was about to say look up that and. what year did you guys start what was. the very first year we started we. started in 90 90 late '92 so you start. you start the movie with Rikers and then. you bring it back to92 back to '92. that's what it is that's what it is I. mean just think about the in. incredible amount of talent not just not. just rap but jiz is like a a world.

champion caliber chess player 99 2000 or. so 99 2000 r i got interview Rizza. talking about it and doesn't jizza have. some degree in physics smart. [ __ ] man doesn't he have some. crazy degree smart he's like a look that. up please yeah so you just that alone in. the movies like come on this is real. yeah this is something people was. looking forward to looking at yeah think. of a movie like that think of a movie. that starts up with the gates opening.

and you guys going in put your put all. your belongings in the basket the whole. [ __ ] getting frisked checking everybody. down the guy reading you the rules the. warden telling you do not go into the. crowd do not do this yeah yeah yeah okay. cool cool cool yeah we got you yeah yeah. wow think about it that's the beginning. of the movie yeah that's an incredible. opening for a movie. and it really happened this isn't. [ __ ] this is a bunch of Dork sitting. around a table coming up with some.

nonsense this is some [ __ ] that you live. through that would be an incredible. opening for a movie and and it's just. and it's just so even incredible even. more on how we connected because like I. said everybody come from almost the same. poverty [ __ ] but everybody had. different philosophies on how they felt. their lives was going into you know um. you know I tell people all the time you. know my neighborhood was about making.

money you know ghost neighborhood was. about taking money you know what I mean. taking [ __ ] from you you know um jiza. you know being one of the MC's that. could have been down with the juice crew. you know what I mean you know who the. [ __ ] the juice crew is he turned it down. it's like they was the hottest [ __ ] back. then Master Ace Biz Kane Coogi rap. all these all these dope MC's they ask. yo we want you to come and get get down. with us he's like nah you know what n.

you all these things I remember like. yesterday like wow you turned down the. juice Crew He was like I love the juice. crew but I just was in in this this. chamber right here you know us dirty us. with old dirty like yo you know old. dirty always wanted to be like Biz bis. Mary he had that personality that. Charisma that that energy so like you. said these are the things that I wanted. to see each individual like you know and.

like I said you know shout out Hulu man. for for doing a great job but I do agree. like you we need another movie where it. really defines who we are yeah you know. um Riz you know Riz you know that was. his his side of how he wanted to tell it. you know um it's a great story it's it's. fine it's fine the hulo thing's fine. but I think there's something missing. and I think the something missing is a. movie it's a it's got to be a movie it's.

got to be a big screen big thing and it. could be done heard it first man y heard. it first I ain't have to I ain't have to. argue with my brother's about I mean. just imagine IM imagine when uh ODB does. baby I got your money oh my God come on. imagine that and that becomes this. massive hit come on massive hit he had. you know he had you know he had the most. hits on of all of us right he was so. [ __ ] talented man and so real you. remember when he was on MTV and they. started talking about like what are you.

going to who what are you going to give. who are you going to give your money. he's like I give my money to nobody he. like he was like yo you going to give. back he was like no yo yeah I remember. that [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah and everybody. was crying. like real cuz it was so real it wasn't. like well I think it's really important. that we establish some sort of a. Community Fund shut the [ __ ] up he was. just having fun nothing you know what I. mean but you know we always gave back in. our own ways of well by existing you. give back by existing you inspire others.

by existing you how many rap careers how. many hip-hop careers were inspired by. wuang Clan all the members countless. countless yeah so many I say that we. definitely had a a a piece of watching. the the the the new generation grow and. you know kind of. you know build their build their Arc the. way we built ours you know that's. important you know to um to to reflect.

on that you know back then like you said. nobody wasn't giving [ __ ] this. kind of money like we was the first. group that ever had a million doll video. wow you know um I remember that day me. and rard was coming up with the with the. story board like what was Triumph wow we. did the Triumph [ __ ] was like we came up. with all this [ __ ] he was like yo this. shit's going to cost a million dollars. like what the [ __ ] is what's a million. dollars like do it you know and at that.

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performing as the worlds spread. like good old days of the clan in is it. weird looking back now is it feel almost. surreal that you guys did it. a little bit to me yeah it has to yeah. to me for sure I mean you know you know. I always believed in my group man I mean.

these guys is like you. said very talented very talented. sometimes we don't know our power when. we come together but we might be the. only group that stuck together so long. you know because we all feed off each. other every time so to be able to. reflect back when we was in our prime it. was like we still a even give our best. it was almost like okay yeah we going to. do it because we have to not do it.

because we're all in a happy Vibe a. happy moment a lot of times we made. great things happen out of nothing you. know Under Pressure might have been. turbulence in the room might have been. an argument that happened that day but. we still managed to come out with. something great out of that whole time. of of that moment you know but um that's. what's incredible is that through all. the disputes you guys still stay. together that's cuz there's no way. you're going to have nine dudes and not. have disputes exactly I mean nine Alphas.

nine Killers it's hard man it's hard. because you know everybody has an. opinion and and you want to respect. everybody's opinion you know but it it. made me think about sports and it made. me think about how coaches and people. you know outside of the group are so. important see how we. we were designed we we huddled up but we. never really had people around us kind. of like push the narrative more to show.

us our true power so we made a lot of. mistakes you know of of being great but. still handling the business a little bit. diff different from if we have had. some some coaches some guidance some. guidance the problem was back then no. one knew what was going on nobody knew. cuz it was so fresh it was so new the. whole genre had only existed for six or. seven years right so it was it was it.

was emerging and it was chaotic and it. was so exciting but there wasn't a lot. of experts in how to manage it you know. it's like today you know you could you. could you know a young artist could come. to a guy like you and say hey what. should I do help me out like what what. is what's the path that you think that I. should take and you could give them real. advice where back then like who knew who. knew Wu time was gonna work they would. have told you that's not going to work. they say you can't get nine dudes in a. that's crazy how you doing that yeah but.

it worked but it worked it didn't just. work it like accelerated everybody it. like Amplified all the voices that's. what was so crazy about it is it just it. it didn't just work it worked better. than being by yourself yeah yeah I tell. people all the time I don't the clan I. think we all got better based on us as a. collective 100% nobody nobody couldn't. have did it by themselves and be great. iron sharpens iron that's right and. that's what it is sharpens steel that's.

right yeah you guys had so many killers. together there's no way it couldn't be. great that's what's incredible it's like. it's so hard for people to do that yeah. that's why it's never been done before. which is amazing if you think about the. history of hip-hop how many artists have. come up and not one group has come. together and made like a oh they're just. like wuang not one yeah not one yeah. even when it comes to you know sales and. you know each one of us was blessed to. be able to go platinum and go but we.

talk about that you know sometimes when. we all together we we laugh and we say. damn you know no other groups did what. we did like come with guys that. everybody in the group went gold and. platinum and this and that and I can't I. couldn't name one person they was like. yo name one person that name one group. that did what we did at that level back. then I could nameing you know what I. mean because well the Ghetto Boys. branched out you know Scarface obviously. went on to have a massive career yeah.

did you see his little tiny desk. performance oh yeah [ __ ] incredible. [ __ ] incredible incredible that's one. of my greatest friends too man and so. different than anything else like the. way he did it like he adapted the lyrics. to the environment yeah oh it was. incredible incredible Scarface is a a. real guy too man a real all one of the. alltime greats all you had him come to. your show yet I haven't yet no I'd love. to have him on I love that dude I've had.

Willie on I think that like there's so. many amazing talents that came out of. that '90s hip-hop era that like for a a. young guy coming up someone who's like. interested in a career in it now it's. imperative that you go back go back you. have to you got to explore the classics. you got to see what started this whole. thing mhm because cuz and you got to put. yourself in this mindset like it's hard. to imagine my experience of it because. you're not going to be able to have it.

it's always been around but for me it's. like when it came around it was this. totally new thing this totally new sound. totally new like Avenue of music that. existed and everybody was like Wow and. all the young people were excited. everybody was excited like this is crazy. this is so different than everything. else mhm you know and so for the people. that are like making a career in it now. like o you know I know there's like a. tendency to think you're the [ __ ] man.

and everything else sucks I'm telling. you you got to abandon that abandon that. thinking go back and educate yourself. you know CU it's free just get on go get. on YouTube get on Spotify educate. yourself there's so much classic [ __ ]. from the 90s that you're you're missing. and all we were doing really was just. like you said just expression you know. being in the studio smoking a lot of. weed you know and a lot of times when we. was smoking and just vibing it's like we.

were mentioning things that you know. like today like prime example you know I. own I own a cannabis business um in newk. called hash story you know me see you. representing us you know um we said in. Rhymes Like can it be so simple yo I. want to have me a fat yacht and enough. land to go and plant my own SS crops but. for now was just a big dream you know so. we kind of like spoke things into. existence that at the end of the day.

like you know now as I sit here and I'm. an owner of a a cannabis business I'm. like wow we was talking about things yo. my first joint in it went go I put it on. my mother's you know my my mother's. living room wall you know we did that so. we were kind of like saying things that. meant so much to us back then but still. dreaming. of it being a reality the next thing you. know what happens you know um like how. you said you know jiza being so.

intelligent and talking about science. and you know meth you know talking about. certain things and you know now today. he's in the movie world and Riz is a a. director and you know these were the. things that were going through our minds. as we was just smoking and listening to. production and just saying yo what what. the right next what where do we want to. go you know and I think that that is. important as an artist is to dream and. be creative don't sit in one box like.

that's the [ __ ] that just be driving me. crazy a lot with hip-hop today is like. yo it's just sounding too [ __ ]. repetition like let's make it bigger. let's let's take it over here over here. over here but it just sometimes it's. just sitting in one [ __ ] box where. it's like yo come on we got to it's not. just that it's about opening up opening. up the doors for everybody to be able to. see so many sides like now it just seems.

like like the hip-hop [ __ ] is just being. controlled by one person that's saying. yo we want y'all to stay right there we. want you to talk ignorant we want you to. not grow we want you to just whatever. they think is going to. sell why is that why is that the case I. don't get it the same reason why they. were trying to take the Rizza and change. him and turn him into something he's not. people always do that they do that in. comedy they do that in podcasting they. do that in music there's always some.

executive that thinks they know better. and they're going to mold you and shape. you and change you and this is what. we're going to do we're going to hire an. image team we're going to do it's all. just [ __ ] it's non artists. interfering with art that's what it. is it's when you have middlemen you know. you have these people that profit off of. your talent and they think they're gonna. steer it in a way that's going to be the. most profitable they don't give a [ __ ]. if you're like earnestly and honestly. expressing yourself that doesn't mean. anything to them they just want you to. stay in that box because that's the box.

they're selling and once it sells once. they don't want you to change it up. remember when IC tea started a [ __ ]. heavy metal band oh my God yeah I who. played a cop on TV for like [ __ ] 30. years he had a song called cop killer. body count and and everybody wanted him. to be the rapper and IC was like I'm. going to do a hardcore album I was like. what I'm a [ __ ] cop kill it's. like what is this what is this this is. crazy but it's like he just didn't. listen he's like I don't give a [ __ ].

what you say I'm going to do what I want. to do this what I want to do now exactly. and you have to give an artist that. ability to do that they have to be able. to change it up anytime they want. whatever because whatever got them to. the dance is going to keep them dancing. and they might dance to the beat of a. different song but it's going to be the. same the same person that same creative. force that created whatever you like. in the beginning well you probably like. this new Direction they're going to go. in too cuz it's going to be just as good. it's just like we all like different. like you were saying you like Billy Joel.

we both like cool G Rap like it's very. different you wouldn't want to see the. two of them at a concert together you. know but there but that's what you have. to give room for an artist and these. Executives and these people that are. profiting off of art without being. creative their input's always terrible. it's always terrible because they don't. have a vision They Don't Really unless. you're like a rick Ruben like one of. those cats is just like super eccentric. weirdo genius dude who just knows what. he likes and go hold on hold on do that.

again stop that stop stop stop do it. again do it again do it that way okay. can you make an echo do it do it give me. an echo so but he's working with you cuz. he right right right he's Barefoot and. [ __ ] and [ __ ] doing. yoga one of the genius super weirdo a. Scott St type character yeah you those. guys guys be great in their own way. though you know they're artists though. that's like that's different but when. you get these suits and the suits get. involved and they know that oh we made. you know rayquan sold a million and.

700,000 CDs doing it like this so this. is what we want from this one too we. want it to be the exact same way we want. to do it like that do it like that again. like oh what's this new thing you're. doing what's this new thing were you. talking about discipline uhuh no no no. no no no no you know like but that's one. of the most important things about. hip-hop too is like songs inspire people. to change their lives like like Gangstar. song discipline like that song inspires. you to have discipline Ser song it's a.

great [ __ ] song it goes back to like. I said like yo this [ __ ] became. knowledge to us man like yes you know. that's what I miss about hip-hop is the. the knowledge Factor the you know. raising our kids to be smarter and you. know not hiding anything from them like. like you said once you put that warning. stick on there don't look at it they. going look at it anyway so why not let. them see what for what it is and then. say yo look you can make these choices.

but you go that way you know what you're. getting you go this way you know what. you're getting I think all it takes is. someone today to do what you guys were. doing and blow up and then everybody. would want to do it that way if someone. today became like this genius Lyricist. who's like pointing out things in. society and became a huge artist but you. think that music is still you think you. think the radio or play it I don't think. the radio means jack [ __ ] anymore I. think what means something now is people. sharing it that's what means something. how do they get it out there some put it.

on Spotify put it on Soundcloud put it. on YouTube someone sees it someone hears. it you send it to somebody they send it. to 10 people and then it goes viral. that's what it's all about now I think. it's just be undeniable be undeniable. have some [ __ ] where you listen to it. go be confident yeah and you have your. friends like you got to listen to this. listen to this listen to this listen to. first first lines first. yeah listen to that [ __ ] that's how we. always sold it anyway my God yeah come. out of the gate with a [ __ ] hay maker.

boom this is what we do though you know. yeah said damn you talking like how I. feel about my album I'm about to drop. feel that way um well you know [ __ ] I. just I just been working on this. documentary right for the purple tape. let just be honest with you take you. back um I've been working on you know. only Bill for Cuban links is my my. what's going on out my Thriller album. that I made 30 years ago this year 2025. would be 30 years so what we done was we.

went back and decided to do a. documentary about it a real life film so. it's called the purple tap fouls because. remind you only Built for Cuban links. was the name of the album but being that. I came with it as a cassette everybody. started to call us album The Purple tape. so now you know we came back and we. decided to do you know me and my team. from my Camp you know not this you know. the clan of course the clan but this is. something that was my intellectual.

property that I said yo you know what me. and my guy sat down my team sat down and. said yo you need to do a documentary. about this album because you can make 50. albums people are still going to talk. about only Bill for Cuban link so I said. damn you know what you right so what I. did was I said you know what let me. invest in it and. kind of tell a story of what helped us. Inspire that album what help us be a. part of the culture and how it still.

allows me to still exist today like if. you see a lot of these guys today in the. game they still wearing Cuban link. chains yeah you know what I mean so who. would ever thought that I'm calling my. album only Built with Cuban Link [ __ ]. now everybody their mother is wearing. Cuban link chains today 30 years later. so you know that been something that. I've been working on and believing than. not we've been working on it for 10. years so I got over 50. influential people that was in my life.

that was affected by that album to be a. part of this documentary so now this is. all in the making we didn't we didn't. actually go out there and start pitching. it yet we're finally getting ready to do. it right now as we speak as we speak. once the New Year kick in and all that. we will be ready to go out there and. position ourselves to go do a deal with. a network with this project it's going. to be ill it's a great idea you know. what I mean so my thing is to talk about.

it in a way to where the way we made the. album all the experiences all the things. that we went through and eventually that. that would wind up becoming a movie. later on because the story Board of how. I talk about it is going to blow people. Minds because it's like damn this is. what you was going through this is this. is how your mindset was because. I just want people to know that that. album was made cuz I love hip hop man. and I you know we were in a position to.

make something golden that at that time. I was already thinking cinematic I was. already in my Martin Scorsese mindset. because when I came in the clan I was. like yo I don't do all the karate [ __ ] I. don't know how to rhyme like that I. don't even know about drugs and Hustlers. and trying to get from here to there and. and and turn my life around for the. positive you know so we talk about this. in a documentary and we go through some. of the songs and like I said you know I.

got some of my guys that you know we had. we had um you know we had um. conflictions with some artists out there. like big biggie back then everybody. thought we had a beef and you know just. it becomes interesting but the bottom. line is that's what I've been working on. alongside with working on some other. music so I just said that yo let me get. this done the right way first and then. I'mma you know drop some new music so I. got got a definitely a new album getting.

ready to come out and when is that going. to come out you think the new album um I. say probably like between second quarter. right now yeah and I never even. mentioned the name of the album but I'll. mention it on your show the name of the. album is going to be called the empress. new. clothes um you ever heard that Dutch. folk tale the EMP clothes you familiar. with EMP no cloes yeah yeah so that's. going to be the name of it because I. feel like the status quo today everybody. follows [ __ ] nobody wants to be.

genuine no more nobody wants to call out. [ __ ] that makes sense it's like oh if. you believe it oh I'm supposed to. believe it I supposed to believe nothing. that don't feel like what it's supposed. to be to me goes back to like you said. and I'm listening to everything you. saying about you have to do it from this. way [ __ ] that [ __ ] [ __ ] radio whatever. is going to stop you from being you. you know what I mean so this is the same. mindset that I'm thinking with my. hip-hop my new album that's coming like. yo I'm not going to let you tell me that.

this is not what people still love you. know what I mean I don't care I'm just I. I know what I know from coming up as a. kid who loved hip hop and what inspired. me so I'm I'm going have a ball this. year man I I got a lot of great things. that I want to give the world but yeah. that's going to be the my still love it. and I'm telling you these like young. kids that I have the comedy Mothership. when I play them 1990s hip hop they they. they just don't know yet yeah yeah they. just don't know and we can't afford them.

because they wasn't alive probably at. that time they got so much [ __ ] coming. their way they're getting inundated by. all these new artists all these new Tik. Tok so much [ __ ] going on there so much. so much [ __ ] going on it's so much going. on but you know I always say that it's. always a lame for people that love music. you know what I mean I don't care it's. like you could be 50 you know today I'm. sitting here as a 55 year old man that. still have that kid in him to love what. I what would would help me be who I am.

today so I'm still at my best when it. comes to making music you know like. today the chef is is more of a a. architect artist now not I don't. consider myself a a gangster rapper or a. funny rapper I'm an architect rapper you. know cuz I like to reflect on things. about growth and development you know. and um when people hear this album they. going to be like damn like yo he still. [ __ ] got it I tell people all the.

time don't ever think we going to lose. that [ __ ] that's like sitting here and. saying Mike Tyson can't fight when you. know at the end of the day he mean lose. a [ __ ] bit when it comes to how he. feels that passion for boxing or. whatever I feel the same way with my. music so get ready but the like I said. the name of the album is called the. Emperor's New Clothes check for that. [ __ ] I'm ready I'm ready listen brother. thank you very much for being here it. was a real honor real pleasure you my.

God man thank and thank you for. everything you guys have done over the. years I've been endlessly entertained by. Wu Tang Clan for a long [ __ ] time. there you go and I hope somebody listens. to this and makes that [ __ ] movie. make that movie do it well we going to. make it happen if we the right way. figure it out I wish I made movies I. Wish I Was a Movie Maker cuz that's what. I would make I would make it that way. open up with that [ __ ] Riker scene. listen Joe it's never too late for us to. do what the [ __ ] we want to do never too. late never too late never too late thank. you sir love you love you thank you very.

much appreciate you bye. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].