Joe Rogan Experience #2248 - Michael Waddell

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day what's going on my man Joe is that. Bigfoot on your shirt says that is it is. Bigfoot. non-vegan how do they know Bigfoot is. not a vegan see I don't know I mean but. I think he's got K9 like us so there's a. good chance that he does eat meat you. know I think Hunters are the number one.

argument against Bigfoot being real I've. never met a hunter who's seen Bigfoot no. and as M especially some of your guests. you've had on and on top of I mean even. myself and now you spend a lot of times. in some pretty desolate places yeah and. all the trail cameras we should have. gotten one picture yeah trail cameras. throw a big monkey wrench at that. Bigfoot thing I agree and and and I'm. always still you know the conspiracy. that I'm still every time I check. especially when you get in those deep. dark places out west and all throughout. the country and even the South and think.

maybe just this time it would be fun it. would be fun but it's just it's very. unlikely you mean there's only like two. Jaguars in the United States and they. know exactly where they are well that's. exactly right I mean I was thinking back. and even listening you know like you've. had ranella of course cam a lot of a lot. of my Hunting Buddies and people I look. up to as well Remy Warren all those guys. and you start thinking about the amount. of time we spin in the woods and we. don't even see a mountain line or you. talk about the Wolves they're all these. wolves is starting to be reintroduced.

and you still don't see them a lot of. times they're there but then again you. capture them on trail cameras you know. in the middle of the night but yet Yeti. or SAS Sasquatch only Jack Links beef. jerky has seen him and I saw him on the. Super Bowl commercial yeah they're. they're in a lot of commercials they're. in movies I think they used to be real I. think it used to be a real thing I mean. they know there's a thing called the. gigantopithecus that lived somewhere. around 100,000 years ago that was a. bipedal homid that was 8 to 10 feet tall.

holy cow look in the rangang family I. think they believe it was that'd be. something to get Graham Hancock on we. need to get him back to find that that. creature well he's he's busy he's busy. with a lot of other [ __ ] it's like just. trying to sort out the past trying to. sort out human history that was some of. the most intriguing I I was dug deep. into that and it went because of hearing. him on the podcast and went and watched. just finished season two watched season. one soon after I'd seen him here first.

it's pretty compelling it's pretty. amazingly compelling yeah well and once. you realize first of all that there's. real physical evidence that something. happened around 11,800 years ago that. the Earth was most likely pounded with. asteroid debris yeah and it probably. [ __ ] civilization up pretty bad and it. can happen again makes complete sense. you know it it. it's I mean hear in his perspective on. it and how he researched it and it's. it's from the standpoint there's you.

know as we know politics and everything. gets involved in everything you know and. it's just almost like he was a a. journalistic really smart intellectual. guy who was. intrigued it's just a good approach the. way he studied it to me that made it. even more compelling and then the. findings he did find I don't know I just. I was very intrigued by you know how he. really got into it no he got into it. researching The Arc of the Covenant. really yeah because uh in Ethiopia. there's a specific Church in Ethiopia.

that has always been rumored to be the. place where the Ark of the Covenant is. stored and there's these guarders of. this these people that are guards of. this area and they all develop cataracts. they all have like radiation poisoning. and they're guarding this one particular. area they won't let anybody look at it. they won't let anybody talk about it and. Graham got fascinated by this and they. started doing a deep dive into history. and historical accounts of the the. Covenant and these the ark and all these.

bizarre stories that have lasted. throughout history and the real evidence. that there was really sophisticated. societies that lived thousands and. thousands of years ago when we kind of. assumed that people were hunters and. gatherers you know Egypt is great. example that like whatever they were. doing there was [ __ ] insane right I. mean the structures that they made still. today we look at them and we go what the. hell were you guys doing like yeah how. was this made yeah and he believes that. Society had reached a very very. sophisticated level of technological.

achievement and then something happened. mhm and now we're we're living in like a. rebuild even though we're very. sophisticated you know in terms of. Technology our Technology's gone in a. completely different direction than. theirs did and where did did Graham ever. in his conclusion in some of that about. the Covenant did he ever think that it's. still there they think it's still there. yeah so some people thought it might. have burn up in Jerusalem I think it was. or see if you can find what where that. is Jamie it's supposed to be in Church.

in eth oh J James already got it I I. just had watched something on that. because I'm intrigued by all that kind. of stuff well you know when you really. start digging deep into it it's very. fascinating this one particular place. has been protected for so long and all. these people that have supposedly seen. it describe something that's you know. Trump apparently has like a model of the. Arc of the Covenant at Mara Lago no way. yeah see if you can find that yeah he's. he's got like Recreation of the Arc of.

the Covenant in and that whole Covenant. was pretty cool based on how you know. God had said look it you know had an. inter saying this is how big it's got to. be it was built out of a certain wood. inside and out gold the handles. everything was there to hold the. Commandments and then I I but then but. then I saw something to where I don't. know if Jamie Jamie and Mike could. probably pull it up but I to where some. people speculate it could be under the. Catholic church I heard that like in the. Vatican in the Vatican yeah and then lot.

of [ __ ] in the vaan oh my goodness have. you ever been there no I haven't but I. heard you talk about you went and had. the guide and said it was amazing it's. incredible they have so much they have. billions of dollars in art like where. did you guys steal all this. from back in the Roman days look at this. this is Trump's replica of the Arc of. the Covenant at. marago just like pretty [ __ ] wild and. it's almost exactly the the replica of. what is assumed to been look like you.

know well I mean it's I I think that's a. recreation based on biblical accounts. absolutely very strange well maybe Trump. can take us and show it to us man that'd. be cool what did you say Jamie I was. trying to figure out if I mean clearly. it was there it might have just been. there temporarily it looks like that. might be like on display in Israel or. something I don't know so it's a replica. that that travels around is that what it. is temporarily is that I can't find like. that it lives there but there's. definitely obviously people with. pictures of it bro if I had Trump money. I'd have one built like make me not come. on I would too I would too it's a cool.

thing to have on display I mean I wonder. what it was I mean if these if these. guys really are guarding it in Ethiopia. like what is the radiation from like why. why do they all get developing cataracts. and radiation sickness and we've all. watched Harrison Ford try to find it. exactly exactly it's all it's so fun it. is fun all that ancient civilization. stuff is so fun because it is really. kind of a mystery you know and it's it's. fascinating when and I'm I'm sure you've. uh been hunting before and you found AR. arrowheads yes a lot when you find one.

of those you're picking up this piece of. History you got to imagine some Native. American was napping this Flint on his. knee sitting there who knows how many. thousands of years ago exactly they find. 3,000 4,000 year old arrowheads and you. just got to go God what was life like. then man oh I can only imagine and like. where I'm from in Georgia and obviously. you and I both love archery but all the. AirHeads I find are are quartz so we. have very little Flint and I'm not at.

all historically sound on understanding. everything I mean I got friends actually. Jeff Foxworthy is is one of those guys. he lives right down the road he is. obsessed with Indian artifacts and has. an amazing collection like goes across. the country you know it's hard you can. call Jeff right now you probably can't. get him to Austin to come do the podcast. but then all you got to do is tell them. hey man I just plowed up a field and it. rained and we just found two nice Flint. heads he'd probably be here tomorrow I. mean he loves it he's eat up with it. Fitness isn't just about what you do in. the gym it's also about your nutrition.

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a1.com. Joo Rogan seriously get on this this a. dude I know who has a ranch out here and. he finds him all the time it's kamanche. territory where his Ranch is in the Hill. Country and he every day go to that. guy's page Whitworth JW Whitworth JM. Whitworth JW Whitworth I think it's. JW but he's got incredible arrowheads. that he he's like just obsessed with. finding him on this Ranch and this Ranch. apparently was just overrun by the.

commanche it's very fertile and Rich and. you know soil is great and a lot of you. know water habitat a lot of deer and so. they must have just camped there and. lived there for a long time it's JM but. it's also private it. here's oh he's private now that's. probably because we blew him. up I think that's when he went private. because he didn't used to be private but. that's some of the things that he finds. see that's that's amazingly he sent me a. couple of them there there there's a. company I found actually I was in.

Illinois at this uh of all it was a beer. and deer Fest in Illinois and uh I went. by this booth see that is absolutely. gorgeous yeah Remy said that that was. probably used for fishing very well. could have been because it's so large. you said it's probably used to to shoot. fish it it it seems it seems that a lot. of the the AirHeads are you know the. ones that was actually attached to shoot. with archery were a lot smaller like you. know some people might argue that I I. don't know enough about it like is it a. spearhead I found some heads like look.

at this I found like well that's a. spearhead or that's this or that you. find somebody like Remy or I got a. friend named Ike rainy who's really uh. big into artifacts and if you find. something what you think it is it's kind. of like the first time I hunted in. Africa I thought I'd shot a spring Buck. or a d I thought I'd shot a d Dyer and. it turned out it was a spring Buck it's. like oh okay there's only 7,000 species. of animals out here so I think aits are. the same way it's just it's amazing but. to think you're right I mean think of. somebody sat down thousands and. thousands of years and nap that out and.

how many times did they not get it right. you can see that's perfect yeah they. probably had to do a lot of them a lot. of them probably broke off wrong oh yeah. I it's probably not a very good success. rate especially when you're working with. flint and chipping away at it but when. they get good at it it's such an art. yeah like when you pick one up like a. real Flint Arrowhead God there's a lot. of guys that make them now though. unfortunately so there's a lot of. forgeries correct yeah correct a lot of. nerds a lot of Archer nerds they get. real good at it and then just leave them.

scattered around places or pretend they. found exactly you know you could do that. just almost yeah you totally could do. that but that that's a legit one that. was actually pulled out of the ground it. makes me less whine when when you know. like if you're out in Utah and you have. success in Elk woods and you're. butchering an elk and trying to get them. packed out when you're just having to. resharpen your knives like this the. least I can do is resharpen this knife I. mean these guys had to nap out ahead I. mean how long did that take just to go. huntting elk you know yeah they lived. for thousands of years with no metal oh. I know it I tell you something was.

interesting we hunted a place in Montana. where we it it was on the Milk River and. they had what they called a buffalo drop. on this property oh wow and and so if. you went to where this Buffalo drop was. you could go to the base of it and you. could find there's not there wasn't any. much left now we used to hunt back in. the day uh mostly in the uh I hadn't. been since 200 I think it was seven or. 2010 was the last time I had went out. there but at the base of that you used. to could find all kind of bones you know. bison bones you know uh you know Buffalo. and stuff but you would sometimes find.

these little tiny heads uh and and they. didn't look like this which is. interesting what Remy brought up maybe. that was for fishing or something I. don't I don't know but all the heads we. would find would be tiny little almost. like bird points is what I felt like I. wanted to call them I heard them call. before and supposedly what they did was. is they didn't necessarily weren't. trying to kill the Buffalo they would. hurt them and they would just kind of. Peck them with the arrow and then they. would run the Buffalo off of this this. cliff and so it basically die coming off.

the cliff and it was so cool across the. valley you could still see all the old. stone rings to where supposedly the. ladies or the squads would sit there and. look back and soon as the men basically. had you know whatever amount of Buffalo. I guess over the drop they would come. and Butcher and the man would go back. and you know smoke the Peace Pipe and. relax so uh times have changed a lot so. uh was telling me about this one site. where they had a Buffalo drop and the.

pile of Buffalo was so large and there. was so much Decay that it actually. created a fire holy like started on fire. because they're all just rotting and. fermenting and some sort of combustion. and so the entire side of the cliff was. black from these Buffalo falling off of. this place rotting and then combus. created a fire yeah I mean I don't even. know how that would work I I don't. either but I do know that those Buffalo. drops do exist and it's pretty.

fascinating and the place where we were. hunting is a a you know private land. owner he was a Rancher had some cows and. um he was very funny he did not want us. to video on any of our episodes or or. anything to do and back then we were. videoing uh I was working with Bill. Jordan and we had a Show on TNN back in. the day and um he's like do not bring. your cameras I don't want any TV cameras. around here he said because they'll come. and all of a sudden they'll set this up. as a historical site and I'll have so he. was really funny about it so I don't. even I didn't even take a lot of.

pictures of it because I was always like. hey you know this guy didn't want us to. take any pictures and talk about it but. man every time I'd come back you know. for morning Hunter we'd go Scout I'd. come back and like man I want to go to. Buffalo drop like you know you just like. a little kid like a little 10-year-old. kid boy scouting like look at this. here's a head or here's a buffalo horn. or or skull and most of everything that. would have been there had already been. picked through because it's right off. kind of a County Road and so most of the. locals knew about it and of course you. know he's had kids and grandkids just. kind of rummage through it but it was.

pretty interesting but every time you'd. go you'd find something so it was really. interesting it just just really. stretches your mind and your imagination. to imagine living like that back then. and that these people while you know. Rome was being built the Coliseum Europe. all this all these different places of. the world these people were living the. same way people lived tens of thousands. years ago right here it it's crazy and. and now it seems like we're so far. removed from it but yet as we we talk. about it that romance hadn't left and.

even getting a chance to chase a bull. elk there's still some amazing rural. wild places out there that where you can. kind of revisit and and that was the. first thing I noticed is all the U the. the Native American pictures you had I. hunt a lot with Native Americans lot. with the Navajo Nation I've become like. family or they become like family to me. I go out there every year and the. resources they have you know I know cam. hunts a lot you know as it the muscolo. and different different places and I. don't know man and even sadly even. amongst the natives some of that culture.

is being lost with them more and so we. even go out every year and do a hunt. with their kids we take 15 to 20 Navajo. youth hunting every year out there with. the Navajo Game and Fish and they have a. lot of mentors Gloria Tom who she's just. stepping down but she was the uh kind of. in charge out there and we would go and. work with people like Jeff Cole and that. whole Navajo Nation the families and we'. take just their kids the kids of the. Navajo Nation hunting and sadly enough. they're they're like a lot of kids in. America eating little Debbies and. playing Xbox you know it's like man you.

got 17 million acres in your backyard. come on bro you're supposed to be the. damn Eagle you got to you got to fly and. dip down we got you know I'm even out. here you know it's your your room and we. me too I have all kind of Native. Americans My Heroes um were Native. American Hunters like isy who taught. Pope and young how to bow hunt he's who. got yeah isy out of California I think. he he come back and and uh he he. basically taught those guys who were.

doctors he introduced them to to bow. hunting and then Pope and young as we. kill a ilk we think oh is he big enough. to go Pope and young well explain to. people what pope and young is for people. don't know what we're talking about pop. and young is um so basically Pope and. young were were two guys that basically. just kind of revolutionized archery as. we know it a lot of times I mean. obviously you throwing around names you. got to talk about fredbear and stuff. like that but prior to that there was an. Indian named ishy um out of a California. tribe and I'm I'm not good enough at. remembering exactly what tribe that was.

but uh there's a lot of cool information. that you can read obviously if you ever. get your hands on um Saxton Pope and. arthor young any books it's fascinating. like my favorite book of all time is. called The Adventurous Bowman a friend. of mine Jeff Johnson who's a writer gave. it to me and I I read it all the time. and even my kid I read them that book at. night you know and it talks about their. first Venture into Africa and and when. they went there when they hunted Grizzly. when they hunted elk the first time and. so these guys were kind of based on what. I can assume seemed to be pretty much.

City Slickers who had basically um a. patient called ishy who taught them how. to hunt and and pictures of him you can. still see him he looks like he's dressed. at a Ted nent concert in 1969 you know. jumping off the amps and uh and so yeah. and so now that's become similar to Boon. and Crockett uh Pope and young is an. organization that's formed around you. know celebrating certain animals that. are trophy aspect and if you get a you. know say a white tail deer that Nets 125. in on the PO po young scale you can. enter them into the pope and young.

record books and every category of. species like elk bear Caribou moose so. on so forth has that and so it's just. kind of to celebrate a lot of the. heritage of archery and so Pope and. young a lot of people don't know it but. that that basically is the basis of what. it come from but it starts back to guess. what a Native American these. arrowheads they passed it on and so now. we're kind of carrying on that same. tradition and so as a student of the. game it's like it's so cool to talk. about a they are oh look at that yeah.

wow look at that that's cool is there. any can you find Jamie is that isy that. Saxton Pope right there there's issue. there oh wow can you. imagine you're learning from The Source. yeah I mean they and and and there's so. many amazing what year was this man I. don't even know it had to been in the. uh I don't know was it 20s or maybe. maybe maybe 1900 I know it was early you. know what it's fascinating when you. think about what we enjoy we enjoy.

archery2 1912 so that guy you know that. that is like he was alive in the 1800s. absolutely so he was doing that like. that's literally from the source and. there's another thing and it's it's. crazy to think about this another thing. I read and heard told because obviously. you know you travel around and it's. always trying to figure out you know. what's fact or F fiction but I'd listen. to U Casey means on this podcast we. talking about our food supposedly isy.

who come in who was actually living very. primitive but come in and once he. started hanging around and got. westernized quickly got fat because I. don't know if little Debbies was around. then no it's the only thing I hated. about the whole Casey me that whole. podcast I was like man I used to love a. good oatmeal pie now I'm sitting there. like I don't know that glass of milk. should I even partake but um I think he. gained a lot of weight and started. getting a lot sicker just and the food. back then was so much better than the. food we have now yeah just around a lot. of people and all of a sudden he was. trying to fight probably viruses and.

diseases and and getting an abundance of. a certain food he wasn't used to and. supposed I think he got a little heavier. and less healthy just being around. probably a lot of grains and sugar. probably I'm sure yeah he's probably. eating mostly meat before that probably. so just a fish fish outed the creek and. yeah you know backstrap out of a mu deer. you know the way everybody did for. thousands of years y it's just so. interesting that if it wasn't for guys. like pop and young and Fred Bear I mean. how many people were evangelizing bow.

hunting back then I mean how many people. were making it something that was you. know because as soon as rifles came. along the way everybody looked at it was. oh rifles are better you can shoot. something further it's easier to do you. hunt you hunt with rifles but to make. that choice this decision that there's. something more more connected more. spiritual about archery and bow hunting. if it wasn't for those people that were. promoting it people like Fred Bear corre. who was so he was so articulate in the.

way he would describe things and the way. he would describe the benefits of just. archery practice about how archery just. removes your cares like if you could. just concentrate on that Target and just. just practice archery it cleans your. mind and I find that today I I do too. it's almost like you go back in time. every time even though we pick up you. know these new Hoy bows you're like oh. my God look at the technology it's a lot. more accurate it is it's so much more. accurate and so uh. yeah it's it's amazing and you're just.

exactly right it is spiritual and to. think back of where it was to where it. is but then you think about the rifles. and the technology we have there but. keep in mind I'm sure uh you know in. those people who are really hunting for. substance absolutely if if we leave. tomorrow and we can't go and get us a. nice steak dinner or we can't go to the. grocery store and buy us a some chicken. or rib ey whatever it is we decide to. eat well absolutely if you're like Hey. Joe your wife and my wife is wanting us. to kill a few squirrels and uh we going.

to have squirrels and gravy and my wife. make some good biscuits it's like why. don't you know let's leave the hoists at. home let's take a 22 and a 410 let's. just go get us a mess of squirrel yeah. and so I think probably they looked at. it that way and once that came about and. then it slowly become somewhat of a I. hate to even say it as a sport because I. don't look at as a sport it's a culture. it's a discipline it's a it's a. discipline but I I think to know that. we're still going back and celebrating. that and still talking about isy and. Pope and Young and the bears and what. they set forth and even people like.

Chuck Adams who was always one of my. heroes um you know Cam and I were. talking a lot about that in Texas just. golly Chuck Adams was hunting these elk. and always had that little green beanie. shot those double x 78 arrow and man you. would nobody is like you know all the. kids and even me you know I was this. little chubby white kid that thought if. I bought Air Jordans I could jump higher. and and Michael lied to me man you're a. liar Jordan I can't jump any fast higher. I can't run any faster but you know. Chuck when I saw those arrows and I'd.

see that bow i' like man I got to have. that I want to be like Chuck you know I. want to be like Fred Bear and so uh it's. just amazing to see and to see that we. still are celebrating it so it's really. well it has a very deep connection to. the human mind there's something about. archery that I think it's because as. human beings evolved you know we. developed the bow and arrow they. invented it they they refined it and. that was how people hunted and got their. food I think there's a genetic memory of. that that's inside of our heads because.

there's like there's something eerily. satisfying about hitting a target with. an arrow it's so much different than. anything like I like practicing shooting. rifles I like I've hunted with rifles I. like it I like it it's great same here. it's not the same it's not the same it's. not the same it's like a 10 times. tenfold different yeah it's it's uh it. really is amazing it's like every time. if I go right hunting I love it I mean.

absolutely love it still love the whole. culture of it I grew up in Georgia where. I mean people were on these leases you. know it' be a me me property which was. Timberland or Georgia Power lease. there'd be 10 of us on 500 Acres or. sometimes more than that and so you know. everybody took a 30 off six Remington. semi-automatic you know a scope on it. with over and under sights and we'd meet. up at Uncle Morgan's Barn me and my dad. and Scott Steiner my uncle Tommy and. uncle Jeff and where are you going like.

hell I think I'm going to go to the boat. seat you know I'm going to holler one. nobody talked about win or nothing and. it was just a bunch of old guys high. five and and we would walk back there. and hunt with a rifle and soon as you. heard a rifle shot you're like that was. Uncle Tommy I bet you he's got a big one. you know and so it was just so amazing. that part of it so I still go back and. do that from a culture standpoint to. feel just that feeling and Vibe of being. standing there in a pair of Kmart boots. with some old walls coveralls draped. over with them all white long handles.

you know that we thought we could go to. Antarctica in in reality it was just. some cotton it soon as it got wet she. froze to death and uh and just the. thought of that of being literally in my. time 11 12 years old just being one of. the men with a 30 Al six on my shoulder. climbing up in a pine tree in a tree. stand built out of leftover lumber for. my dad's construction job that was the. most unsafe thing in the world and uh a. lot of people got hurt falling out of. those things and I remember we got our. first bow my dad and I my dad had an old. brown and bow and he had a couple old.

recurs when I was young and he pecked. around with him and then I remember I. was 13 and I was working him on a job. site and um that's what my summer job my. dad was a carpenter and so I'd go work. and man he worked cornbread hell out of. me too you know just to show me how to. be accountable and just what it was like. to work and he paid me $2 an hour so he. said you need to pick you out something. as a goal figure out what you need to. save your money for you don't even blow. it on something stupid and I said well I. I don't I don't know and um and at the. time some of my buddies they were saving. up want skateboards well at the time we.

lived on a dirt road so I'm like what am. I going to do with a skateboard you know. I'm I was like I can't I got to go into. the city to use a skateboard so my buddy. Jackson Bishop we called him boo he. lived in the city and we hunted together. he said I'm buying me he said he was. working with my dad and I too and he. ended up saving his money and bought him. a really cool skateboard I remember he. built it and went and had posters of it. well I ended up deciding that I need to. get me a bow and ARA so I went and. bought me a a Martin Pro Eliminator bow.

from Big Buck trading post paid $200 for. that sucker was that a compound bow it. was a compound bow what year did. compound bows get invented it would had. to been I would say in the 70s I mean. the first I remember um was talking. about Fred Bear the old white tail. Hunter and then you had the white tail. Hunter 2 and stuff like that and then I. know uh Browning came on pretty soon in. that and then obviously you had ho that. was did they even have sights back then. uh we we had like a pin sight it was. like a bracket and has had this kind of. rudimentary site that you could scroll.

in and out but there's no rangefinders. right there were no rangefinders is that. it right there look at that the original. compound look at that up to 50% more. speed and. penetration that was 66 so I felt like. this would have been in the 80s CU I 66. because I feel like uh wow that's wild. price Soo Hunters can't afford to be. without one the way they used to Market. things back then it's so funny I know I. love to see those old Field and Stream. and outdoor life magazines yeah it's.

just I mean it's a window into a. different time look at that can you. imagine taking that to Utah to chase an. elk in the. mountains oh my God you that to be so. close Cameron wouldn't even have to tote. out a buck on his shoulders he could. just tote that around probably be as. heavy as a white tail how heavy is that. thing look at it all the metal all the. components and all C what kind of feet. per second are you getting out of that. sucker what is this oh look at this. 1926 Arthur young Bow hun it's a Grizzly. here they say it's a Grizz wow look at.

super. close holy cow I've never seen this. Jamie thanks for pulling this up this is. 1926 holy. smokes I bet they didn't even have to. buy license I bet they just went hunting. too oh yeah I bet there was no licenses. back then I mean when did. they all right he he hit him somewhere. yeah he hits you it shows it follows it. up here but I mean to film this is even. crazy CU this is 19 26 so right.

wow you had to be so close with that. shitty bow no doubt and man any I tell. you what man intriguing like those guys. right there their books that they wrote. If you wrote those same books now like. if if you and I went on a hunt and we. said hey you know let's just write an. article and present it to outdoor life. and publish it just as we saw it which. is so cool about what we do here is. having chance of conversation and kind. of air out anything and everything and.

obviously culture has changed the world. I mean these podcasts but back then you. know you had articles well they' write. these books and and it would be so like. I would read it sometimes the same page. two or three times it'd be like you know. sax and Pope talking about or Arthur. Young talk yes I found out I think it's. too far 70 yards is too far to shoot at. a Kate Buffalo I put three arrows in him. he didn't seem hurt I got two in the. rump one in the neck and you're. like like they didn't edit this out it's. almost like right right right right it's.

almost like me and you hunting squirrel. like man I tell you what I don't like. him pellets it's just not those pellets. and that air rifle are not they just not. knocking the squirrels down good enough. like oh you wasn't supposed to put that. can you edit that out right they would. just like okay let's put this in a book. and let's sell it they Pioneers they. were learning they were learning how to. do it but you imagine how you you get. crucified sometimes for the people who. don't understand hunting even ethically. hunting and making a good ethical shot. whether it's a bow or an arrow or a. rifle and back then they were like all.

right let's go try to hunt some African. lines I don't know what it's going to. take to kill them but we'll see they. were just experimenting experimenting. and they they took a boat over think. about I mean I mean I want to go I've. been to Africa quite a few times how. long does it take to get to Africa in a. boat it was taking them months to get. over there and they would they would. take a whole ship and I think they I. forget I don't want to say it CU it. could be inaccurate historically but I. want to say. they was taking 40 50 bows these.

recurves and like just tubs and tubs of. arrows I mean just CU they were just. launching. them it's like they had more freaking. ARS than P didy had baby oil I mean it's. like it's like man how many airs can you. fit on this boat like well we got [ __ ]. load up they probably knew they weren't. going to get any over there and they're. probably making them themselves yeah I. think it document say talks about like. look if bows tear up or in this. experimental process we might need a.

little stronger bow so you know I mean. sometimes very rarely I do this I'll go. to pretty decent places I'll take one. bow very rarely I take two bows I used. to think it'd be beneficial but then I. started realizing man these things are. so dependable I don't need it maybe I. take a bow press or or an extra cable or. an extra string or setup but I mean they. just had to take everything and they. really didn't know that's such a. commitment to Adventure get on a boat. with a bunch of bows and a tub of arrows. I mean how do you tell your wife that.

too cuz they were married can you. imagine I can't imagine now that you. know Joe and I plan a hunt trip here and. you call home and say hey man just me. and W was talking and me him and cam. were thinking about running to hunt hogs. well how long you going to be gone you. know it's Christmas time it's like well. uh two days and we just going to drive. down or fly over here do that can you. imagine hey baby I think I'm going to. Africa and uh we're going to try to hunt. some line we don't know what's going to. happen six seven months yeah I'll be. back next year. I'm G to go hunt lions with a pointy.

stick exactly I should be back I don't. think not sure what it takes to kill one. no internet yeah no no I mean nothing. could research how are you learning form. and technique who you learn you just. have to practice and then eventually. figure out well I held my elbow this way. it seemed to be better than this way. I'll just tweak it and even the civil. unrest imagine this I mean oh yeah you. know I hear people talk about hunting. and the dangers of potential Rogue.

Wildlife but I've never been that you. know grew up real country so I never had. any fear of any animals you know a. matter of fact if I was bear hunting and. I thought you know somebody said hey man. Bears love pork chops you walk through. Alaska with a pork chop R your neck. might get a better chance to get a shot. like well well hell you reckon they'll. come let's try it you know I want to. shot at one but think of the civil. unrest I've always been a you know a few. I went to Zimbabwe one time me and Nick. Mutt and several of my buddi we went. over there to Zimbabwe and it just. happened to be when macabi was rerunning.

and so he had a political opponent and. so just when we think people listen to. this that you know politics in America. are crazy well guess what somebody was. running against macabi so did they. debate it on a podcast or even talk. about on CNN no mgab just went and. killed the guy who was running against. like okay I win you know so end the. story uh and so the internet was shut. down and so I remember being over there. and like man I'm kind of scared not of. an elephant or a line I'm like what is. this I don't have a phone I don't have.

internet I have no way to talk to my. family I don't have any um they and my. money got stolen I was the idiot who. went over there like with my backpack. with cash and like you know a bank. envelope everything that you read that. like okay I'm I'm an idiot so I go to I. go to um take some money to to uh we. were talking about going fishing on the. zamb river and uh so any I was I'm going. to get a littley. I'm going to tip this guy if I go. fishing like Dude Where's My Money and.

it was all gone so I don't know if it. was between when I landed in South. Africa somewhere in my room I don't know. where but all of my money and and uh and. I think I had about. $7,000 cash which which for me that was. a lot of money like I mean I was. devastated not only I lose the money I. it's like I didn't have money to lose. like that but now I'm like what am I. going to do and so they take me over to. batswana and I get some pulas from an. ATM because it's a little more.

westernized but I remember calling. calling hom is like man we ain't in. Kansas no more this ain't a white tail. hunt and in my mind I'm so singled in on. the adventure and thinking of Saxton uh. you know Pope and young and all these. guys and I forget like wait a minute. there's people dying and starving over. here and and I'm just over here trying. to maybe find a Kate Buffalo or a gims. buuck or something and that's where I. learn a lot in my young young travel of. of just what's out there in the world.

you ever watch uh Pedro ando's videos no. no uh Jamie let me I'll send it to you. he's a a fascinating dude from Spain and. he travels everywhere to bow hunt. everywhere all I can already tell I'd. love that oh you'd love it he's great. too his uh his hunting Adventures are in. really interesting but he goes all over. the place I love that he goes to like. Tajikistan and play there he is look at. that and he's I mean you can tell look I.

mean just he's uh you know super super. super dedicated Bow Hunter and you know. travels to Greenland he was in Greenland. with Remy they were hunting together and. and just his uh his stuff Pedro's videos. are really really well done and he's. such a likable guy that it's a it's a. good introduction to people that don't. even understand why anybody would be. interested in Bow Hunting because you. realize like this guy is he's as much. fascinated by the adventure of it all.

than as he is even the hunting aspect of. it like he really enjoys being in these. very different cultures and very. different parts of the world like he. hunted elk in Mongolia wow Mongolia has. a large elk population believe I didn't. know that I but it's really funny. because everybody who goes there to hunt. hunts with a rifle and so all the gues. who you know speak Mongolian right like. they're like what the [ __ ] is this guy. doing with this bow this is stupid like. go he's like I can't shoot it it's 98.

yards away you know like I we have to. get closer he's like just shoot it yeah. just shoot it shoot it kill it let's get. out of here we've been here for [ __ ]. three days they're tired of it but this. dude's got a uh a a really [ __ ] great. Channel and a a ton of videos I mean. he's been doing this for like making. these videos for like 10 15 years I'm. definitely going to subscribe to that. and I don't even see the Buffalo where's. the Buffalo is that is he oh it's a mlon. oh that's. oh you you went to a different video.

okay go to the um um Mongolia elk hunt. cuz it's so fascinating they stayed in a. yurt so they stayed in one of those felt. tents like genas Khan used to live in. and they traveled in the woods and it. looks like you're in Wyoming it looks. like you're in Idaho them urick I always. wonder if that's what Missy Elliott was. rapping about you know u p r here I. don't think. so I don't think she has any knowledge. of what said. yeah but if you scroll further ahead you.

could see some of the footage um oh this. is IEX in Mongolia. dud HT too man Google uh it's not that. search uh elk in. Mongolia he's got I mean he's got tons. and T there it is right there see world. record Elks right there uh second row. that one bam yeah that's in Mongolia see. that's to me so fascinating is that. crazy like look at that that looks like. like you could be in Utah absolutely and.

uh they they just totally didn't. understand why he was using a bow. because his dad was there his dad hunted. with a rifle and he was successful and. you know he's got to get close God and. those those look like just your basic. Rocky Mountain species I don't even know. how they got there I don't know if they. were always there I don't know if they. were introduced I really don't know y. yeah and that's what they're standing. really I did not even know that they. were elk in Mongolia yeah I didn't. either until I saw this video nor would. I'd have even known you could hunt there. and and I think that's what people don't. realize Living in America yeah we can.

hunt I mean you go do that in China get. hungry in China and decides you want to. go get you a mess of rabbit and squirrel. well they might not be none and you. can't legally hunt you can't legally. hunt in China not in China not at all. there's there's several States you can't. even bow hunt in uh UK I know isn't that. crazy I mean I don't know if that goes. back to Robin Long stride or I think. some of it does a lot of the folklore. cuz that was a poaching tool you hunted. the king's property you could do it you. could poach with a bow and arrow well. that's people don't understand the Robin. Hood was not about stealing money it was.

about using the king's land to hunt. animals correct cuz people were starving. and the King had all these animals and. you weren't allowed to hunt them you. couldn't so Robin Hood was like this is. [ __ ] like yeah I'll take this let's. go let's go eat there's stag out here. man and so I yeah I don't I I I'm always. the more I travel like seeing this that. Pedro's done I hadn't done that. extensive of traveling and I've never if. it ends with a stand I just stay out of. it I mean and these extra Z's in the. yeah man I try to be yeah but Pedro goes.

everywhere his I can't recommend his. showing up it's so good and I watch him. all time late night when I want to chill. when I'm at home I come home from The. Comedy Club I'll throw on some of his. videos check outed chill out you ever. heard of this what is that uh I was. looking at the initial books coming out. of hunting trips to Africa and dingo. neck multiple people said they saw this. one guy said he even shot one in Africa. they saw it yeah St back in 1907 I think. what the [ __ ] do they have a photo of it.

it's just it obviously might even be a. real thing but the descriptions of it. were backed up by multiple people huh a. carnivore that chose to hunt or devour. nearly whatever it wants save for. Elephants holy cow it had tusks. dog-headed Beast fish what I don't even. think Jim sh hunted one of them where. did you find this J literally I'm. looking at all these history books about. like different uh Expeditions and this. was one from 19 1908 they went to look. for some certain things they encountered.

this in Lake Victoria huh it I mean it's. it's probably not real look at this but. it seems like it is like I want to. believe he encountered by Lake Victoria. when as Bronson's own Hunting Party. provided nearly identical descriptions. of the creature the title is reference. to the author having been given special. permission to hunt the closed territory. of Lita Masai Ki and sotic wow what the. hell was that just looking it up very. strange it looks different in a bunch of. the drawings though sure I mean they.

don't have picture I guess but like. remember when we were showing those. ancient pictures of what a uh a whale. looked like to people they had never. seen a whale before and it had like. wings and a lion's head so what's. fascinated on all that those paintings. and Engravings it it kind of some of it. you can see like okay we still have some. of those animals that look that way and. then some kind of looks kind of mystical. you ever seen the ones that cave panties. where it's like a Stegosaurus yeah yeah. like how did you know what that looked. like somebody exactly they didn't Google.

it right did were there a few laying. around I mean I wonder I'm so intrigued. by that I think I'm more intrigued with. it hunting and traveling and being in. these places like we we went down I love. to turkey hunt I love to turkey hunt. matter of fact I'm I'm I'm going to do. everything in my power and every anybody. listens has ever even ever knew my name. knows everybody's like dude you got to. get Cam and Rogan to go turkey hunting. you got I went turkey hun once did you.

really went with ranella he took did you. really ranella dude he's yeah he it was. fun yeah he's f i I love turkey hunting. I just love it and that's how I kind of. broke into the the industry I guess. definitely a superior turkey to eat they. are they're delicious they are delicious. to eat and um but anyway with that said. we were down um right out of the ucatan. peninsula hunting oscillated turkeys. which is a different species you can. hunt all these turkeys and get different. slams they call yeah I think ryell has. got the slam yeah ryell has done it so I. went down there with actually Troy Troy. link of Jack Link's jerky and he's a big.

hunter so we all went down there kind of. for the adventure and to say yeah we. hunted the jungles and dude amazing you. know you got all that Mayan civilization. and all this stuff that I saw even. Graham Hancock but what people don't. realize we're out in the middle of this. jungle and I'm walking around and uh the. guy I'm with he don't know English and. I'm like and Co and stone our producer. he's standing there like dude this is a. this is one of those pyramids like we. we're walking up and I'm I'm trying to. figure out if I can H call cuz nobody.

had ever figured out if you can H call. to these oscillated turkeys I get to. looking around and so finally I'm. tapping this guy on the shoulder and I'm. like bro you know Mayan he said oh see. see and I'm like there's so many of. those structures out there yeah and. we're out there hunting turkeys they. don't think nothing about it it's kind. of like us walking around out in the. middle of the woods in Georgia and. finding an old whale you know we're in. trees right they're like oh yeah there's. they're everywhere so I only knew about. the ones that was on the postcard you. know go yeah when you're out there. having a a Corona on the beach and.

somebody trying to sell you engraving to. your wife in some you know ring or. something I'm like oh my god dude and. and like I wanted so bad for a turkey to. respond and to put my back against that. and so I did a little video on I was. like man this is insane but when would I. have had a chance to see that had I not. been a hunter yeah so that gets you down. the rabbit hole of like well what was. this and what is that calendar and I. wonder what Graham Hancock is so when. I'm seeing some of this I'm like dude I. was in that area. I didn't go to see that particular piece.

where he's talking to this Authority but. I did go you know 30 miles south of. there or 100 miles and I had a chance to. work a turkey around one that's not even. been excavated and it was just blew my. mind they find so many of those too the. the jungle just overrun All That. civilization just overcame it and you. just they find him with you know what. lar is I heard yes I saw well I I didn't. know about it until I watched that on. the Netflix show with Graham and showing.

how they was flying over in those rings. and Stu see if you can find that pyramid. that they just Unearthed in Guatemala. they just Unearthed some huge pyramid in. Guatemala and that's we were we were. South think it was Guatemala we were. right there in kind of right on the. southern tip of Mexico just as you go. into Guatemala and uh I was just. intrigued and we're in the jungle and. stay in these little huts and I read. these little tents like almost a screen. porch I was just I was blown away and. the whole time I was like thank you Lord. for allowing me to be the hunter to go.

see this to to experience this and and. to I don't know it's just I'm. overwhelmed I've never got bored with it. and the more I do it the more humbling. it becomes as soon as you start thinking. like man I got a bunch of el with my bow. and air I got this figured out I'm about. to run a rake through them I know where. they're going to be and then you go out. there and they just kick your butt yeah. there's no real figuring it out I mean. you certainly you get to your level or a. level of cam haes or Remy Warren you you. you become very proficient you.

understand what to do and what here it. is find lost city in Mexico Jungle by. accident holy cow yeah this is what it. was it wasn't Guatemala so. archaeologists found pyramids Sports. fields causeways and connecting. districts amphitheaters in the southern. Central State of C cachi cichi yeah. cichi they uncovered the hidden complex. which they have called valer valer. valeriana valeriana using lar a type of. laser survey that map structures buried.

under vegetation they believed it is. second in density only to. kalak thought to be the largest Maya. site in ancient Latin America the team. discovered three sites in total in a. survey the size of Scotland's capital. Edinburgh by accident when one of the. archaeologists browsed data on the. internet that's so crazy they found it. by accident see that's amazing and I C. the same vibe when I was down because we. weren't tooo far out of cichi when we.

was turkey hunon and so as we're going. through there and there's thousands and. thousands and thousands of ACR I'm not. even sure how I set up I don't know if. it's you know governmentally on in this. case Mexico or if it's Village um but. when I saw that even though we videoed. it I asked later I come back and the. main Outfitter he's very fluid in. English he said yeah we don't you know. there's all kind of stuff out there we. don't talk about it a lot because this. is our hunting ground it's almost like. the Buffalo drop story. they really don't want Grand hanock down.

there with a team of filmmakers from. California like they don't want it and. see their point but I don't I I. absolutely and and they kind of uh but I. think that's what's fascinating about. all that we're able to talk about and. share now culturally yeah as we realize. if you grow up hunting and fishing well. I really assumed everybody did I right I. didn't think there was somebody that. hadn't eat squirrel I was just I I did a. walk I didn't need a squirrel I was 45. years old that's what that's what I'm. saying and and I grew up to where like.

laying and eating with my POA like one. day damn it I'm going to buy me some RI. eyes you know it's like you eat enough. squirrel and rabbit and it's great but. yeah it's almost like man I'm gonna get. that big family pack of chicken right. and and we ate plenty of that but it was. always a fall back to where you. understood the good Lord's renewable. resources and yeah how to hunt them so. taking an animal for table Fair wasn't. anything at all to even cheer about. other than you know almost in the. blessing of blessing your food like.

thank you Lord for giving us this. opportunity to have a place to hunt so. it would be a chance to go put a fish. basket out I remember my Pap taught me. so many things he made corn liquor and. just country is a damn chicken Co and uh. and I look back he passed away when I. was 12 both of my grandads did and and. my dad Ean W same way I mean they taught. me so much but I just assume this is. what every man was and I figured this is. what everybody knew CU that's how you. grew up yeah and I remember I started. working in the hunting industry when I. was young I remember I tell this story I.

just remember like going to a nice. restaurant and people ordering. appetizers I'm like what what are we. doing what are we doing like what does. that mean yeah like bring us some uh. Ceviche and uh some calamari and you. guys like cheese sticks look I know. they're unhealthy everybody like cheese. scks like I like cheese sticks and like. you know like and then all of a sudden. we sitting there chatting like we are. and everybody's having a cocktail and.

I'm like man I'm so happy this is the. funnest I'm loving this and I'm. literally going back and at the end of. the night calling my dad like you ain't. going to believe it the everybody's. eating before you. eat like we we had we getting shrimp. cocktail and and you know and I'm over. there and it sounds crazy and almost. like it's exaggerated but I was so. overwhelmed I was so intrigued with the. city and just people I would be the guy. talking to everybody you know from the.

from the you know Street people to like. what's up dog you know like you know. they're you like man what's it like out. here you know like man you ever you ever. ate a pigeon man they lot these pigeons. go get you a couple ketchup packets from. McDonald's and get you a rocket hell. people should H and so I was it was. almost like the exact opposite from some. of now my city friends who have gotten. just enthralled with hunting yeah they. introduced me to so much of the city. culture that you know I still get. excited everybody don't think I would. but I I still love to get excited to go.

I had a chance uh Joe Montana is is. somebody who's got a show on Outdoor. Channel so he has this big cigar uh. dinner every night in B I mean every. year in Burbank and so all the Fuentes. you know and all these different you. know movie stars and stuff and so he's. like man why do I want you get a table. come out and join us I'm like yes I took. my wife we're all country I was so. excited just get dressed up and. everybody think I wouldn't like it but I. was like man this is cool I'm out there. having me a cigar. there's the guy from Rambo I forget his. name but it's in Karate Kid the uh uhuh.

yeah sure and I'm like I'm meeting some. of these people and I'm thinking it's. amazing how culturally being so. country and and how now I'm talking to. some of these guys like man dude you're. the hunting guy can you man why don't. you take me hunting I'm intrigued with. that you know and so now having a chance. I know you had like Jim Brewer on which. what a cool cat I love Jim he is so fun. man I couldn't hardly hunt with him or. Theo for just just constantly laughing I. mean I like to cut up and have a good.

time the first time I went hunting I. went with ryell it took me and Brian. Callen and it's a same deal Brian C's. [ __ ] hilarious and we were just. crying laughing in Montana freezing our. dicks off having a good time uh my. experience was the opposite always lived. in cities always you know and then the. first time I went hunting was with Rella. I I had been camping before when I was a. kid but there was I had no real exposure. to Nature and I remember just after that. week doing it I was like I'm doing this. for the rest of my life like this you oh.

100% I I remember cooking the backstraps. over the fire it was me and ranella and. and Ken and the crew and we were just. like sprinkling some like season salt. over these backstraps and cooking them. over the fire and we're eating them with. our hands and I was like I'm doing this. for the rest of my life this is like one. of the greatest moments I've ever had in. my life one of the greatest experiences. I've felt so tuned into it I was like. this is something I've been missing like. this is and it's a whole new world I I.

explained it I was like it's like you're. in a different dimension the first time. I shot a deer was on that show so I had. never hunted an animal before I'd only. been fishing and the first time I'm. looking at that deer through the. crosshairs of that rifle and I'm just. calming myself to squeeze a shot and I. squeeze off the shot and the deer drops. like a stone and I was like oh my God. I'm like this is what I'm doing forever. yes and then once I started eating it I. was like oh this is this is my new thing.

I'm like I'm obsessed I was obsessed. goly obsessed and then obsessed with. what I all I had been missing just the. experience of being in the woods is so. different than. anything the way people think of hunting. unfortunately we've been poisoned by. movies where the hunters are the bad. guys they're always douchebags they're. always they're always like poaching. animals and harassing people hunters in. movies it's a Trope that they've always. been like cruel evil people like there's.

Bambi the Bambi the Walt Disney movies. are the wor oh they ruin people they. ruin this idea people who buy Burgers. from McDonald's yeah will look down on. someone who hunts an animal in the woods. and it's correct it just we've been our. our brains have been distorted our. perceptions have been distorted by media. and I realized that being in the woods. hunting I was like this first of all. this is very difficult to do mu deer. hunting in Montana in October freezing.

cold in the Missouri breaks fascinating. just the whole the the environment is so. unforgiving and doesn't give a [ __ ]. about you the the the quiet and the. isolation out there and a weird kind of. loneliness like a not loneliness but a a. realization of where your place really. is in the natural world you're you're. not special. you're not there's nothing significant. about you yeah you're just one of many.

living things trying to get along out. here trying to get by and you have an. advantage obviously because you have a. rifle and you have binoculars and all. that other good stuff but the reality of. it is it's very very difficult to. achieve success especially if you don't. know what you're doing I was very lucky. to have a guy like Rella show me around. but once you do it once you're like oh. God like this is incredible like and. then to eat that animal completely. different experience erience than any. other meal I've ever had in my life yeah. it's such a piece that comes with it uh.

and and I try to explain that but. there's no way to explain it until you. experience it you know I was even trying. to explain it to Theo I don't know if I. got that across we laugh you Theo Theo. is a unique dude man he's one of the. most I I've met quite a few people not. as many as you but uh Theo by far is one. of the coolest unique people I met I. remember we get out and uh we're going. to turkey hunt you know and I knew first. of all I think I ruined his whole uh. excitement of it when I said all right. man I'll wake y'all up we got about 4:35.

you know he's said what' you say what I. said oh man I didn't sign up for this. you know I didn't say this in the. brochure and I was like and so Caleb. Presley bar stool Sports he was there. and um I was a big fan of those guys so. I was I was trying to make sure I gave. them the best experience I could you. know because I you know just like Rell. did with you I knew the magnitude of. okay these guys I hope they want to do. it again but we go out there and Theo. had not been around a gun a lot and uh. and so I figured it'd be easy I had a 20.

gauge well I can't remember it was a 20. or 12 gauge I had a couple but I put red. dot those bushel Red Dot scopes on there. to make it really easy uh not have them. shoot the bead just look through this. optic and see the Red Dot put it on the. turkeyy head pull the trigger so Theo's. looking through that thing said you want. me to shoot now I said no Theo I mean. just it's not even daylight good he's. got sunglasses. on and he says uh he's looking through. this Joe he's looking through this. shotgun he said oh man he said I see. that red dot he said when I pull the. trigger it turned.

green and I said Theo and so there's. clips of it and I literally he said and. then he looked at me he said who's on. the who's on the other team there he is. sh no no don't shoot don't shoot don't. don't shoot don't keep your keep F off. the trigger okay right but see what I'm. saying you can how you can see the Red. Dot the red dott on his head if we can. get him out all right and who's the. other team. who's the. other I just look did I say I take.

it bro he lives in another dimension yes. Theo lives in a neighboring Dimension. and he just comes and visits us oh God. yeah me Theo and I went to the UFC uh. two weekends ago last weekend when was. two weekends ago uh we were in Vegas and. then after the fights you went to dinner. and uh I swear to God the dinner was it. was an hour and a half of me and Theo. crying laughing just C I mean tears. I'm wiping my eyes I can't breathe we're. I go dude this should have been a.

podcast we should have filmed this we. were imagine we were crying we were just. C he was saying the most ridiculous [ __ ]. and I was laughing so hard it was so. much fun he's so fun he's so fun I I had. so much fun with that guy man and he. said so much that I couldn't repeat that. was so funny and then they said so much. that I could but I hadn't met anything. quite like him and he's so he's one of a. kind he's a one of a kind big heart too. man oh he's a sweetheart such a nice guy. he's such a kind person and just a very.

unique talent and that's the thing too. you know CA Caleb on the other hand he. ended up did getting the turkey Caleb. and um he kind of he kind of took to it. pretty quick Theo liked it but I think. his attention if it is attention deficit. he definitely had it he's got that and. he was he was kind of cool and and. anyway and I realized Theo had more fun. just kind of walking around checking out. the cows and it just I mean dude that. would be a whole you could do a a. special a Theo just walking around maybe.

after a mushroom or something just let. him walk around and just describe what. he's seeing I I mean our producer come. back and he I saw him way aways I was. tired man I've been hunting a lot and he. said man we going to go take an. Adventure walk around the ranch you know. farm and it was down in South Florida. and I come back our producer was. laughing he said man I I can't even tell. you all I heard and what Theo was saying. he said I I've never laughed so hard and. um I said I can only imagine. I can only imagine but uh but yeah man I. don't know it's just like that that part.

I think that's the most beautiful thing. for me coming from where I come from and. even you know seeing all the different. people from all these cultures and there. so much and and I've completely. understood this too there's so little. that separate us all from from the most. rural country guy to the most urban city. guy from no matter what race ethnicity. it's amazing how there's so much. entertainment and things if you just. open your mind not pretend to know it. all to want to learn cuz there's so much. you can teach me so much I can teach you.

and it's just amazing and it's. definitely giving me a whole lot better. perspective um and and I I don't know. that that's been probably the coolest. part of what I've had a chance to go on. an adventure and a journey is to be able. to you know meet somebody like Brewer. who's like you know he didn't really was. not intrigued with hunting it was more. the conspiracy of what was going down. and like dude I went to go get some. chicken breast and some chicken wings to. watch football you couldn't find any the. government fouchy is making me learn.

what he'll teach me how to kill a. turkey you know in other hand first. morning out Jim kills one and so you. know you've hunted enough you and cam. where you know you get an elk and it is. a a reverence it's not like you. everybody reacts different so but if you. know if you play a good ERA kind of the. Ted nent the spirit of the ARA Spirit of. the wild that ARA goes in there and you. you've worked for it you practiced and. when it you know it's a good ethical. shot and you know that you got and. essentially put the tag on that bull it. is almost like Spike some people it's.

almost like spiking the football when. you get a touchdown yeah so I was so. excited that Jim Brewer had just got a. turkey that me and and I had Ira Dean. who used to be in that country group. Trick Pony who is just a trip in itself. he's good friends with Jim and they live. somewhere close down there in Naples. Florida and me and Ira are just grabbing. him look like you wrestling Jiu-Jitsu I. got him in head like you got him Jim you. know you know and we're like you know. punch him like you smoked him you not. you dude right in the head you know we. high five in the Jim over like like like.

overwhelmed the like the woman in the. shower on psycho like what did I just do. I just killed something and and all of a. sudden I forgot this is the guy in the. movies this is a comedian I grew up as a. kid watching all sat he's never been. there and and so uh and then we slowed. down and it wasn't even hardly anytime. after that you know Jim just sitting. there and he takes the turkey and he's. holding it like a like a little puppy. dog and he's holding it and Ira my buddy. gets it he grabs his beak and say hello.

Jim and. he and I think even Jim talks about it. but I I I just sat back and I'm like man. what how cool is this yeah you know and. then the same token you know Jim's like. hey man if you ever down here and want. to come to one of my comedy shows and. you know for my wife and friend to go do. that or to to to see something I've. never seen or to go home and still tell. my dad who's 71 like you're not going to. believe you know what I saw in a you're. not going to believe what happened in. you know wherever Las Vegas when we're.

at the SHOT show it's I don't know it's. of travel right like the more. environments you could go into the more. completely different cultures you could. explore you get a just a wider sense of. humans yeah and that you realize like we. have more in common than we do opposed. to each other we're we're we have much. more that we share than we don't correct. and the what really is is just like what. environment did you grow up in you you. grew up in the country I grew up in the. city yeah but once you find common.

ground and once you experience like. experiencing nature for the first time. for people that are in the city it's so. overwhelming for them it's so. interesting to watch them just walk. around the woods and just be confused. and not not knowing how to navigate not. knowing where they are and being. exhausted not knowing how much energy it. takes going up hills or how we going to. get back yeah where are we at you know. we're 8 miles deep yeah yeah we got to. walk eight miles back when is that going. to get us back well probably 11 p.m.

yeah we're going be it's going to be. late what 11: p.m. yeah we have. headlights put on your headlamps like. what we're going to walk in the dark are. there animals out here there's a lot of. animals out here and they know where you. are before you know where they are yeah. it it is it is so intriguing and and to. think about different world it is a. completely different world and for me it. was so cool I've over the years working. for different I call it more non- ademic. like you obviously you think of Hoy you. think of uh real tree you think of these. different companies that around the. hunting culture but I remember one year.

I had a chance to work with horal Denny. Denny more stew Hormel had Denny more. beefs too and so they did the sweep. staks and um it's like win a turkey hunt. with Michael wadell and so we did it and. they run 30 second ads that was when uh. you know everything was bunch of 30. second ads and so the guy wins it him. and his son and um well they get there. and I realize they' never hunted and and. and it was my first time to experience. guiding somebody that knew nothing I. mean i' guided a lot of rookies but I'm. talking about when I say had no clue of.

nature never shot a gun wild gun I mean. immediately you know had the big Rambo. knife tied on the side of. his you know he like okay you know and. so I remember we walking and uh and I. realized that okay this would be fun for. me because from the basics of everything. just the mount the streams to the tracks. so we walking along and me and his son. and are talking and I say look here this. is a coyote track right here look at. this cool and you could see it in this.

cero a perfect coyote track oh man. that's cool i' like you know and. everything he would relate to would be. to a cartoon like like the coyote on. bugs radio show I said yeah like Bugs. Bunny Road Runner coyote but this is a. real coyote I said oh this is cool check. this out this is a bobcat track oh man I. say look here's a here's a turkey track. but this is a hen track this track is. different I'm explaining to him the. different things uh I mean we saw. everything that day from hog havind. tracks so finally we're walking he's. just so cool with these tracks like.

taking pictures he said hey man um any. any Cheetos around here and I said what. and he said you know Cheeto you know Che. Cheetos I said are you talking about. like Cheetos like snacks snacks he said. oh yeah I mean any of those animals and. I said what what I swear I swear animals. he that just shows the disconnect. Cheetos Chester the Cheetah which I. guess is from a true animal a a cheetah.

but Chester Cheeto he was like as any of. those tracks can if you see one of those. tracks show me what a you know Chester. Cheeto track looks like I'm like you. know we don't have cheetah but there is. no Chester the Cheetah but then it hit. me it's like you was talking about the. movies well Bambi is so real to them The. Fox and the Hound I mean it's so R it's. like you know somehow you know they. think that you go to Antarctica or or or. North Pole and these polar bears are.

sitting having having a soda and high. fiveing and talking about Christmas bars. yeah eat K Bar like what's up what come. over here man have a Coke with us you. know it's like no that's not these. animals will smell you and they come. hunt you they like wait a minute a seal. that we got to wait days for him to come. out of the hole and hunt them down or. look there's a dude that's been eating a. lot of fried chicken and collard greens. and cornbread I I bet that suck. I bet he can't run fast let's go eat him. and so it's just a disconnect of not.

knowing and thinking that everything is. almost like going to the zoo and then. when it becomes hard you know and you're. two or three days in and you're not have. an opportunity like dude I what is going. on like it's we're hunting I mean I've. even had him like dude I thought you. were good I mean well I'm I'm trying. trying it's just this animal it does not. want to get on your plate you know it's. not an easy thing to do no and when. that's also the problem with hunting. shows is because a hunting show if it's. a half an hour show it's 22 minutes of.

actual footage and so you're boiling. down a 10day hunt to 22 minutes and the. reality is that gives a distorted. perception to the people at home like oh. it's easy they just go there they put. the animal their Crosshair that's not. fair like you hear that all the time. that's not fair like survival's not fair. you think it's fair that the lion gets. to kill the gazelle it's not fair of. course it's not fair there's nothing. fair in nature why elephants big why am. I small there's nothing Fair no it's not. this Fair doesn't factor in this is what.

you're trying to do you're trying to. survive obviously you can go to the. store but out here there's no [ __ ]. stores so out here if you want to. survive if you want to if we lived here. forever this is the only environment. you're ever going to be here till your. heart stops beating correct this is the. only one way you've got to figure out. the wind you got to figure out where. they are you got to pattern them you got. to figure out how to sneak up on them. you got to figure out how to exec cut a. shot without getting Buck Fever you got. to do all these things like this is the. only way it's so deep you're right and.

it is difficult can't boil it down to 10. like Pedro does a really good job of. showing like how difficult it is on. these crazy adventure hunts that he does. but even still it's an hour or an hour. and a half like the reality is it's 10. [ __ ] days Man 10 days 10 to 12 miles. a day sweating your ass off coming back. exhausted your feet hurt your back's. killing you and just and you sleep so. hard hard you sleep like a dead man and. then that alarm clock goes off at 4:30. in the morning like you get some coffee.

in you with a jet boil and you're. freezing you're trying to warm your. hands up and then you're off again yep. it still almost feels like I always talk. about hunting and open a day it's kind. of like Christmas it's like a you know. when you finally do get to that. September and I just use elk hunting as. an example because I know you love elk. hunting it's almost like you are tired. you've been grinding you've had you know. doing your your daily gigs of whatever. you doing the responsibilities of. everything in your life finally I'm in. Elk camp and you're already tired that.

first morning you you maybe don't sleep. good cuz you're anxious and excited and. then all of a sudden you finally fall in. a deep sleep and all of a sudden and. like but then all of a sudden it's kind. of like as a kid when waiting on Santa. Claus like man I'm not sleeping I'm. listening for him I left milk milk. cookie for him and then but then you. fell asleep deep and all of a sudden you. wake up like oh my Santa Claus so you. jump up and you're still tired and so. hunting to me is still that but that's. amazing it's still that after all these. years I I still get excited that's the. same with Cam I mean he's been hunting.

his whole life he still loves it more. than anything I I plan on it so hardcore. that like when Netflix gave me a comedy. special yeah I had to make sure that it. was the beginning of August I was like I. need time to get ready yeah cuz like I. have a whole training routine and a. shooting routine and you know I want to. make sure I'm shooting a 100 hours a day. seven seven days a week I want to make. sure my accuracy is fully dialed in I. have 100% conf confidence my cardio's on. point I got to be ready so I was like it. can't be any later than like August 5th.

I'm like I need I need like four hard. weeks of I mean I'm training for it all. year round but four hard weeks almost. like you're getting ready for a fight. it's some of those meetings still do you. still have maybe Executives looking at. you like oh yeah they ask weird. questions I don't understand that like. so September 12th through the 23rd. you're not going to find me yeah and to. them they don't understand how like know. outside of people playing football like. you still see the Christmas games and. the Christmas Eve or Thanksgiving but.

for me like Thanksgiving and Christmas. very rarely you know all of us kind of. like I'm taking that day you know I'm. taking that day and that's kind of like. unfortunately now we get in these. Hobbies of Honey like okay I can't do. anything the first week in April that's. turkey season and then September oh man. that whole month's gone yeah in November. oh man the deer ruding I don't know that. y'all got anything in. July I've had big guests like important. guests that wanted to come in like. September 10th I'm like that's not going. to work can't do it it's not going to.

happen well it's the only time he's in. America it's not going to work sorry let. me know if he come back yeah let me know. if you come back I'm not missing that. it's just it's my favorite time of the. year there's nothing with. it funny story that happened similar you. know people wonder like do you ever get. tired of it um you really don't I mean. I'm sure like you you know obviously say. in the comedian world to kind of draw. parallels that opportunity to go out for. 30 minutes or an hour to make someone. laugh and and they're digging on the.

stuff that you're performing there's got. to be a a a natural high that comes with. it so there becomes an addicted quality. to it and it's not necessarily about the. money it's just a certain situation that. feels good so you wonder like when do I. want to step down for this and it's kind. of like you know Keith Richards playing. a guitar maybe never it's like this is. part of it and I think hunting becomes. like that and to the point with me like. the things I love and I've been blessed. that in evolu my Financial opportunities. have came from promoting hunting and. working for different partners as is.

cams um and many of us Remy Steve a lot. of us but uh I'm still so addicted to. the point to where my wife she loves. country music my wife christe and so. through people we meet we've got invited. to some really cool things you know from. get togethers to to parties to. situations Awards to ceremonies to. different clubs and so a lot of times. we'll try to go and it's actually a cool. thing for me cuz hey man I met this. person would you like to do this or that. and one thing in particular happened um.

my wife loves country music and there's. a lot of those country music guys that. that I hunt with so I had gotten a text. from a guy they was having the some. award ceremony um around the country. music I forget which one it was but when. they had at the Dallas Stadium and uh. anyway I had got invited he said hey if. you want to come out wadell look man we. would' like to had you have you at to. you know man we'll we'll we'll treat you. like one of the singers you know and um. so immediately oh dude what's the dates. and they said it's April like it was I. forget what it was it was whatever it.

was it hit right in turkey season like. right when I knew I hadn't even had. anything planned this was time but I. knew kind like you know September so I. said man I'm sorry thank you so much for. the invite but I'm not going to be able. to make it well my wife and I don't have. a relationship where we going through. each other's phones and stuff like that. but but that particular uh my phone was. sitting it was maybe a week later. sitting there and that same gentleman. had text me on another matter and so he. had just texted me somebody I said. christe get my phone so she did and. somehow that she just happened to look.

at that text and all of a sudden I. couldn't figure out she was just kind of. giv me the cold shoulder like the rest. of the day I'm like what did I do and I. couldn't figure out what I did you know. so finally I was like look baby you know. I figured out a lot of things about elk. and turkey I ain't figured out a woman. completely and so I know I done pissed. you off some kind of way I don't know. what I did but you know helped me. understand she said you know what I do. have a bone to pick with you and I like. okay well let me have it you know let me. have it and I'm already thinking I ain't.

did [ __ ] you know I don't think she said. you know what I know you like to hunt. turkeys and I'm like okay all right and. and I'm like yeah I love to hunt turkeys. she said but you know what we could take. one night and go to a really cool Ward. ceremony maybe we could hang out with. Blake and have a drink and just chill. and relax and Luke was going to be and. and and I like what are you talking. about and then she said well I saw the. text and we were invited to go to the. awards and and you quickly just said no. didn't even talk and I'm I'm like and.

then I hit me like what a self I don't. know how many turkeys I've seen shot or. how many turkeys I've shot myself but. here it is I'm 50 years old and I'm. saying no just like that without. hesitation to right no I mean that would. be fun in my mind I'm thinking dude if. that was June or. July and I had your number I'd be. texting everybody dude are y'all going. can we can we have a drink hang out sure. but it's like nope it wouldn't matter if. Elvis.

Presley was going to be the show I was. like and then it hit me I'm like man I. am little selfish selfish and it hit me. there and and I and I did I sincerely. said I'm sorry cuz you're right I could. have just got a commercial flight we. could flew out there and spent a great. evening had a great date night and saw. the awards and come back but in my mind. I'm thinking why would anybody go to a. big city in the middle of turkey. seat I don't understand that and I'm. trying to I'm still learning still. learning you know so crazy well the the.

reality of it is if you have an. experienced hunting you don't understand. why people are so drawn to it and why. it's the experience is so much more. powerful than anything else you have in. life other than the birth of your. children you know being in love there's. a bunch of experiences that are. wonderful in the regular modern. civilized life but when you get that bug. you get that bug you know you get that. bug when you when you hear the swack of.

that [ __ ] Arrow hitting the vitals. and you see the spot right in the Golden. Triangle you see the blood dripping down. and you see him stumbling forward you're. like we got him we got him and every. sense in your body is on 10 your your. [ __ ] Goosebumps have Goosebumps. everything it's just there's nothing. like it in the world you want to stand. up and tie that bandana like on Rambo BL. like it's just you just it I don't know. it's crazy feeling and I hope more.

people get a chance to experience it it. but it is so hard to do especially like. archery elk hunting or archery mule deer. hunting probably even more difficult I. agree it is so hard to do to get someone. addicted to that boy you got to you've. got to get a special kind of person. that's willing to like the learning. curve is so long and the physicality. that high desert deer oh it's it's. brutal and also those [ __ ] are.

smart oh yeah you think they're not. ducking mountain lions for five six. years and they know any little snap of a. branch any little like moving of a rock. that sounds like it might have been a. predator's paw oh yeah they're on a. swivel they're up and they're bouncing. boing boing boing see you they're gone. and that's what another thing people. don't realize you know they think oh you. you you Hunters going out there and you. know get getting these animals and you. know obviously the hunters has such a. responsibility in the balance of of a.

lot of things you know in Mother Nature. is first of all very brutal and there's. a lot to be learned through nature. there's a lot of things we think we know. but then if you really dig deep and. you're in the mountains you realize wait. a minute that was all human nature this. is nature there's a difference you know. so many examples uh that you can get. into but at the end of the day these. deer also have coyotes now they. reintroduce wolves in some of these. places and they have done studies um. that in some cases they feel like an. adult male mountain line can kill up to. a 100 mu deer one mountain line so.

you're talking 80 to 100 animals that. they kill so when you think about us uh. even if we're athletic is that a year. that's a year that's one and and they've. done all kind of studies I know the the. uh state of Utah has been really. proactive um which is great and what I. love about Utah game of fish is what. they're doing they're listening to a lot. of these mountaineering type of guys who. are not you know have a doctorate in. biology or or are balancing nature.

they're just ranchers they're Outfitters. they're Hunters they're somebody that's. immersed thems and you know they might. not can sit there and re recite. Shakespeare but they can certainly tell. you what they've seen they don't claim. to know it all but they can tell you. things that they are seeing out there. it's different kinds of intelligence and. yeah and and a lot of and a lot of the. game of fish uh sometimes will'll get at. times um arrogant to say well what what. am I gonna learn from a Joe what am I. gonna learn from Michael what am I Remy.

Warren come on dude okay you hunt a lot. but you know I got a doctorate in this. well like California is a great example. like a lot of their game and fish I. don't even think they call it Game and. Fish I think they call it fish and. wildlife correct yeah because they don't. want the the concept of game to be. introduced meaning meaning hunted they. their their thought is they want to get. it to the point where the Predators and. the prey balance each other out where. there's no need for hunting and they. would like to reintroduce wolves to help. in that they do it's it's animal.

activists that have taken these. positions that should be held by. Wildlife biologists who have an. objective understanding of the. populations and how to keep them healthy. and the way they're doing in California. is you've got mountain lions everywhere. yeah in this one Ranch that I hunt they. had a water hole they had a a pond and. they had a trail cam they found 18. different cats that visited this trail. cam. 18 different Mountain lines that goes. beyond what biologists will tell you as. a matter of fact a lot of times uh a lot.

of the studies are now it's been changed. and everything the goal poost are being. adjusted but there was a time I think it. was 28 square mile radius that I know at. least in the state of Utah so I'm not. saying every game of Fish Department you. know I call it or fishing game or fish. and wildlife would say but they had. specifically they said a male mountain. line basically controlled 28 miles. diameter only to find that in Utah I've. got some friends and Outfitters that. went out there when they did have the.

quota tags now you can just buy a tag. over the counter and you can or get. depredation you can hunt Mountain line. all the time because they realize look. these Mountain lines are killing a lot. ofk a lot of mu deer specifically on top. of that you can't con don't know what. the winter is going to be and what. that's going to kill then you got wolves. you got bear you got all this stuff this. Outfitter took a a business card and he. put it down and he said well I know. y'all think this but I want to show yall. what I feel the quota he said I shot 10. Mountain lines in this business card he. said three of them was here so your.

theory that one male mountain line is in. this 28 mile diameter is completely. busted this is not on anything I've. studied I didn't go to Harvard I didn't. go to Auburn University in the wildlife. department I don't have trail cameras. out there I'm just telling you that with. red bone hounds this is a true statistic. here's the photos and so what has. happened a lot of those people got. together and what I love about Utah they. are listening and they're saying okay. this so this so Hill Billy knows. something let's listen to him and so.

they're adjusting and now the deer. numbers going up the hunting's getting. better and uh and and and it's. unfortunate that that really some of. these people might be right that nature. does have a great way of balancing. itself very more way more brutal than. what you and I would approach the. management process but everything's. changing I mean you know you talk about. California you talk about how they. reintroduced UC the wolf say in Colorado. well all that was voted in in a very. urban area specifically Aspen all the.

ranchers I don't think it should be. voted in at all it shouldn't be and. ballot biology to me is ridiculous. because you should have to have an. understanding about what you're voting. on from a perspective of the people that. are actually in the field correct and. the reality of mountain lines is like. you're not going to get an accurate. assessment from someone who visits it. once a month they think you can go out. there and and and sell tourist tickets. to watch the mountain lines you can't. find them I I'll tell you and they know. you're coming they smell you miles away. they're not going to be anywhere near. you and if you do see them it's rare I.

heard Rella because ranella spends a lot. of time in desolate places and I didn't. specifically talk to cam but kind of in. perspective um I started. working in the area of either guiding or. working with an Outfitter working with. companies that were doing shows for at. the time TNN that turned into ESPN now. Outdoor Channel now YouTube so on so. forth well so as a young kid you know in. ryal Georgia I finally had a chance to. start going and seeing these places from. Saskatchewan to all over Canada got to.

go to Africa all over Mexico and now I'm. hunting all across the Western landscape. not just in Georgia hunting white tails. and turkeys and squirrels there I've. only saw one mountain line in the. daylight one now I have spent tons I. think ranella said he saw six in his. lifetime in in the daylight so what you. realize if you see a mountain line in. the daylight now I've seen a lot of. mountain lines but they all have been in. a tree behind a dog or running behind a. dog I'm talking about just you and I.

glassing looking for me deer like Joe. Mountain line you don't see them you. don't see them and same with Wolves I've. seen two wolves in my life both were in. one was in the Yukon one was in Alaska. uh in the daylight um I've heard them. countless times you know we've been. camping and Spike tents and you hear the. Wolves I've heard them all across places. where wolves exist but you don't see. them um another perspective is even. coyotes I have 500. uh a little over 500 Acres I live on in. Georgia and so I noticed that I was. finding all kind of you know fawns and.

they did a bunch of studies from. University of Georgia Auburn University. talking about how many deer that coyotes. eat which can't blame them why would you. not eat a fawn in the fawning time of. year and feed your your pups so I. decided uh actually of all people who. got me into trapping it was Blake. Shelton he was trapping in Oklahoma. loves it and um so I'm like my God if. this country singer who hosted American. you know or the voice can trap I I got. to get learn about this so I dug deep. and 2019 and 20 man I just dug in and.

just learned a lot more about trapping. in so of putting out dirt hole traps or. or leg Hole uh dirt dirt hole traps and. different things and um so I caught in. 2021 I caught like 22 one year 19. another year just on 500 Acres wow and. if we go hunting tomorrow now think. about 20 dogs that are smaller than a. German Shepherd but a small you know. K9 dog that lives on your property some. are passing through to think that in a.

4-week period I could catch. 22 coyotes that at times you know. hunting a lot I would see see them time. to time along that also cost seven Fox. and two Bobcats and I don't know how. many Coons and possums so for people to. think that you see this all the time you. don't I live there and when I'm home. every day I'm up and I'm riding checking. food plots putting in food plots I got. bulldozers I got different things and. tractors trying to make the wildlife. habitat better to make sure I got better.

areas for my turkeys to brood making. sure I'm planting resources and I don't. see these things and this is all I've. ever done so the people that live in. Aspen are just out of La uh you know not. trying to throw shade on them but you. don't know man I I don't I don't know. how to hit a halfpipe like Tony Tony. Hawk either so I'm still learning and so. for me to say that and to think that you. can just spend nearly 4 .8 million5. million to reintroduce wolves and think. you're going to get tourists come out. there and look at them these wolves if. they could talk they're like these.

people don't have a clue you're never. going to see me well not only that but. they took wolves that were already. depredating livestock yeah that's the. ones that they captured and they moved. him to Colorado where they're going to. continue to do the same thing I just had. read something the other day they you. see they removing one of those herds. they're trapping them and removing them. because of all the deportation of. killing livestock yeah guess what if a. mountain line kills a 100 deer one and. then and he's okay God bless the fact. that he is nature and he's hunting a. deer or an elk but guess what they do.

when that starts running low they're. like man that dog looks good yeah we. were talking about this yesterday that. San Francisco when they kill mountain. lions in the the Bay Area 50% of their. diet is Pets ain't that something and. all is well all these pea members. they're all fine long as it's your dog. and you're cat you know and but all of a. sudden you let a herd of deer come in. and eat their 40,000 worth of. landscaping in a mountain line kill. their pet they're secretly calling me. like hey uh Hey Bone Collector not going.

to lie that's a little offensive but but. we need you so how quiet is your bow and. era it's like oh yeah hypocrisy is this. hypocrisy. comom calling me it's like. well it's uneducated it's uneducated. they just don't know what they're. talking about and they don't have any. experience in it and again like we. talked about like the the idea the the. mass media idea of a hunter is very. negative it's very negative very.

negative it's it's sad because what. you'll find too uh is is some of the. best people in soci best people I mean. they're they're really down to earth I. mean uh sit around a campfire with. somebody that's grew up very rurual. their excitement of talking about. everything typically is pretty awesome. from also the appreciation of hard work. they very much appreciate and and I. think that's I even my dad man he he's. 71 and I said D you ain't going to. believe it Joe Rogan text me and invited.

me to come up on the show and he said. man I like that Rogan he said that. dude it's funny any time to talk about. my dad I got to you know go into that. imp impersonation like that Joe man he's. Stout he's Stout he's Stout man he work. out a lot you know and I'm thinking how. does my dad know the routine you know. knows that I like him I you know of. course he loved he loved that you had. Trump on and that you had had kind of. bringing some some light to that and. give him an opportunity to talk and.

so I find across the board same. conversation I had talking to some. squirrel Hunters uh talking about cam. Haynes you know it's like cam is a beast. you know he runs and he does this stuff. and what brought me and cam back. together to to even going out and. talking on his podcast you know we grew. up close to the same age same trajectory. I'm the southern guy he's a West guy. he's a fitness guy you know I'm kind of. a Little Debbie. eater Fried Chicken collar green but we. still figured out a way I always said.

somebody asked me said what's the. difference between you and Cameron. Haynes I said Cameron Haynes runs. quickly to the top of the mountain and I. sit down and I call them off the. mountain I gotta I'm G figure out how to. communicate with them you know and I. said there's a lot of different ways to. there's a lot of different ways of skin. the cat as they would say but at the end. of the day uh I was talking to some. squirrel Hunters over in Alabama and. these guys prototypical what you'd pull. up look like Billy Coleman from Where. the Red Fern Grows you know know uh had. had squirrel dogs and and one of the. guys uh he had to be in his 60s and uh.

literally I had some chew in the back he. said man you friends with that Cameron. HS and I said I am I said I I I've known. Cameron a long time he said man he. seemed like a good dude and I don't know. why he hit me like this guy I wouldn't. expect to mention Cameron and so quickly. um I contacted Cameron I said man I had. a cool conversation and so he and I. quickly kind of said man why why have we. not even hunted together like we've been. at trade shows and stuff and done some. stuff and and and uh so that's been. really cool for me an old friend I've no.

long time to get back in Camp and the. conversations are so funny we get to. laughing and cutting up and and uh and. and I don't know it's crazy and I think. one of the beautiful things about social. media for hunting and podcast for. hunting is that people have an. opportunity to hear a completely. different perspective about what it is. that wasn't available before that I got. into hunting because I started watching. Spirit of the Wild. Ted I love T that's when I got. fascinated with it and then I watched. rell's original show which oh God I.

can't remember the name of it uh he had. a show meat though before meater God I. forget the name of it but his show it. didn't last very long but I thought it. was really interesting and uh I knew. Helen Cho because Helen Cho who worked. with renella on um that show she also. worked with. Bourdain and so you know I was friends. Bourdain and so I got introduced to them. through that and Helen got Steve on the. show he didn't even know what a podcast.

was he he was like what are we doing. here we went to we were filming out of. the Ice House in Pasadena at that time. the ice house is the comedy club in. Pasadena and that's where we had our. studio and so uh is ryell sitting there. he's like all kind of a little. dismissive of this like what is this. nonsense yeah and then now he's got one. of the biggest podcasts in the space. he's done a phenomenal job man he's. great he has I I I was uh when ryell had. out and I had a chance to be on his. podcast you know and I I would say I'm a. very secure person but at the same time.

I I know I'm country you know I know I'm. the you know for lack better words the. guy that you know I kill a lot of stuff. you know ain't no way to say it any. better I could say Harvest pluck take. but at the end of the day you know I. grew up where in Georgia we could kill. 10 deer legally a year so mostly with a. bow and then Alabama the neighboring. state you know you could kill a buck in. a dough a day for a long time in Alabama. and they was people that tried to do it. it wasn't never did you get you a good. one this year like yep. 47 like what like yeah you know and so a.

lot of food at first I was you know when. I first started meeting and hanging with. Rell I thought man I hope you don't. think I'm just this Old redneck crazy. dude that you know and then once we've. become friends it gets back to the whole. how everything is so much tighter that. you realize and how we all have so much. respect for each other in different. Lanes of bringing it and it's just like. anything I mean you know you got. different players on the Team all. playing for the same team but they all. have a different skill set and so uh we. all grow up a little different and so.

again I just assumed growing up in my. small little area just out of uh. Manchester Woodberry Georgia um I I. really think the area I was from is. called booger bottom Georgia and I just. thought well booger bottoms are. everywhere well you find out there is a. lot of different little names there are. no lights there but I just really. assumed everybody did and I was just. completely devastated when I went to the. city and you know and I'd tell somebody. like man you know what are you doing he. like man I work for a company we do.

hunting shows TNN you know I'm so proud. thinking man I should be able to pass. out a business card and meet a girl with. this you know like oh my God you're a. killer you kill Bambi and it just bro it. just completely devastated because you. had never been around people who were. anti- hunting I never had I didn't know. it existed I mean I was that naive I did. not how old were you when you first. encountered people that were. anti-hunting um I was in my early 20s. wow I was in my early 20s and how hard. was it to wrap your head around that it. blew me away and I and people that eat.

meat too by the way right yeah I mean we. beir it really hit me when I started. traveling I I literally was like a kid. that was just you know getting up every. morning for Christmas I I was having a. chance to work for Bill Jordan and I had. met him through winning a turkey calling. contest and um he asked me him and David. Blandon I can't say enough of great. things about Bill and David David. Blandon believed in me when I mean he. always believed in me so much and he. said hey man we'd love you to help guide. hunters and back then everything around. hunting was media outdoor life filled.

and stream so there wasn't any hunting. shows but then about that same time TNN. after these NASCAR races introduced an. outdoor block which if you go back and. look people like Jackie Bushman uh at. the time what year was this this would. have been for me been 90 it had been a. 92 or three or four somewhere right in. there did they even have range finders. back then no range finders I bought the. first one I'd ever seen it was a bush. nail and I still work with bush nail. thing looked like a car. battery I it literally you know I had.

safety straps I had like chains I like. when strongest man contest to hold this. thing up but uh you had the little ones. you could roll and and it even tell you. when the temperature changes it's going. to give you an inaccurate it's going to. change with the weather uh but no it was. you know just guessing but uh was it a. laser range f it was a the the the first. ones was like a roller you rolled two. things I forget how exactly that worked. but it and it gave you basically a a. rough estimate a rough estimate it be. like 42 yard 40 yards and then Bushnell.

to my knowledge come out with one it was. a bigger one it looked like I said it. kind of looked like a small battery as. big and it had a laser on it and you. could range it and it gave you you know. the yardage and obviously it wasn't. angle compensating it didn't have any of. the arc the angle range compensation had. any of that and the first person I ever. saw that even talked about that was. Chuck Adams I was videoing with with him. back in those TNN days and we should. explain to people like angle. compensation is like an arrow uh is.

quicker going downhill so if you're. shooting uphill or downhill the angle. you have to gauge how fast the arrow is. going to go the feet per second based on. the angle so if it might look like it's. 50 yards as the crow flies your your. range finder might say 42 correct and. you got to put your rain you got to put. your side at 42 yards otherwise it shoot. right over its back and it works yeah it. works really well it's unbelievable and. and um that to me I didn't know existed. have you ever [ __ ] around with those. Garin sites no I haven't I've always.

wanted to try one it's great in theory. and great when it works so when it works. yeah I've had I had a problem with it a. couple of times and I gave up on them. and I'm hoping they're going to get. better and then then they outlawed them. in Utah uh I tried to bring it to Utah a. couple years ago and they had passed a. law maybe last year and um the best. thing about it though it's like a Red. Dot you get that dot you have a clear. sight picture no post see just that dot. just that dot on the vitals it's amazing.

and the the fact that you could go to. full draw and just press a button to. range and then say maybe the animal. moves 15 yards to the left you just. press it again and you get a range and. you have a perfect shot but some people. think that that's cheating that's but. it's the same it's just taking a step. out instead of picking your Rangefinder. off your bino P pouch and checking it. and then changing your site and then. drawing back with this you're doing it. right from draw so from Full draw you. can just keep getting ranges and then. you can also hit it once and then a.

second time and you'll get pins so you. get 20 to 80 nice yeah so even if you so. then all your pens will come up ex based. on that but if you just want a an. accurate range you get that one button. press and it'll give you exact range and. you know it's based on everything is. compensated into the site itself so. angle compensation is built into the. site itself you put in the speed of your. arrow so if you're shooting 285 ft per. second exactly exactly it's all factored.

in to your bow it's pretty incredible I. liked that a lot because uh and I think. I've heard you even mention this what I. what I love about archery is obviously. you got these windows everything ain't. just setting out in the yard where. you're shooting you're shooting through. the woods especially if you out there El. hunting you got these windows and um. there was a site years ago that I. remember and and it worked in theory. great but it was simp it wasn't like the. range or the the Garin but they had. these fiber optics that were glued to.

the middle of of a basically of of a. piece of glass that went into the site. housing so you would buy this glass. housing that okay if you're bow was 280. ft per second or 290 or 300 320 and your. pins were preset so you went in and got. your top pin dialed in so then you had. all these but your sight viewing was. good the problem was when it rained or. if it got dirty foggy yeah and what I. did like about that is uh is the fact. that the reason I've always liked pins. multiple pins is the fact that I could.

see my whole site picture where my air. is going from 20 all the way out to even. if I'm shooting 80 in this case most of. my sites I set up from say 20 to 60 or. 20 to 70 I try to put as many pens on my. site as I can a lot of people don't like. it because they think it's clutter but. once I've mentally got used to it if I. range a bull say 65 when I pull back. without having to do any other. calculations I put my 60 yard pin on. that Bulls in the clear and then quickly. now it's like a you know memory of going.

back and I quickly go back up to my 20. yard pin and I'm looking all the way. down through and estimating is this ARA. going to Arc through but basically from. 20 all the way out to my desired where I. want to hit I can see the Arc of my. arrow based on my pin set good so so you. know if there's a gap in the trees going. to be able to get I know I know if I'm. at 60 holding dead on that clear spot. but I got a Lim at 30 and my 30 yard. pins in the middle of it I know like oh. crap I going hit that so now I can just. squat down so that's why I don't like as.

much a single pen technology and then. quickly what I like about the pins it's. clutter it's kind of oldfashioned but I. do like that a lot from that standpoint. of trajectory of of the ability to to. kind of kill uh or to take and fill a. tag and um Cam and I talked a lot about. those things we talked a lot about the. release I definitely like uh the the you. know I like the handheld from a if I. really want to try to Haun in and be a. little more disciplined and kind of the.

Feel It Go not feel it go off and shoot. with completely surprise I like that but. I don't think that traditionally works. as great for hunting because of the fact. I think you do have to know and to make. that era go right now if you. consistently have to even in Texas I. mean we're shooting animals at you know. 20 to 30 yards those deer and um. sometimes the opportunity sometimes they. walk in they're they're dogging a dough. they're coming in every deer ain't. coming in just to eat corn or eat in a. food plot they're coming in they got one.

thing on their mind and that's you know. mama is ready and so they're coming in. grunting so that deer runs he stops and. you got to be at full draw no he's 27. come back and you got to send it right. now you know what I describe it as the. difference between practicing free. throws and basketball 100% that's it. Stefon Curry yeah is not it it is I mean. dude you don't get a chance to set up. and and have a surprise shot 100% that's. a great way to make that's really what. it is I think practicing sure but I.

think there's moments where you got to. make that sucker go off but then oh man. yeah there's great hunters like Levi. Morgan who hunts with a hinge oh dude I. mean just an animal yeah he's he's. probably the most decorated Archer that. I know I mean that dude maybe of all. time yeah cuz like olmer Gillingham all. those guys are heroes of mine I mean. like I very much look up to them and if. I can ever pull them aside I just wear. him out trying to learn you know right. and uh but Levi is right there dude far. as winning and what he knows and he you. know what another thing about Levi I got.

to give him credit that dude is a. coldblooded killer man he he is a great. hunter too sometimes I don't translate I. know some people that are great [ __ ]. tournament right I mean 3D tournament. ASA IBO winners right but it doesn't go. over into the ability to just fill throw. free throws versus basketball yeah no. doubt it really is like you're you're. standing weird one leg is down one leg. is up you know you're on the side of a. hill you got to can your bow a little. bit you know you lean your bubble into. the wind there's a lot of [ __ ] going on.

a lot lot and then you got the nerves. you never get completely over that you. know people ask me all the time do you. ever get nervous or you get Buck Fever. like man almost every time it's like I. think that's when if if some of that yes. you get good at kind of somewhat like. stage fright I saw a clip of Elvis. Presley I thought this was so unique I. saw a clip of Elvis Presley uh the other. day on this YouTube clip and he he was. completely in panic and this was like. right in the prime his career and he was. walking around and and it was a narrator.

saiding yes Elvis notoriously would get. just afraid every time went on fright. I'm like this is the King right but but. uh he was just pacing and he was being. short with a couple of people I wish I. and um in anyway he walks out there I'm. sure he crushes it but I think it's. similar to probably how some of those. football players running out on the. field there's no way you got all this. clicking in your head like ah man I got. to remember billich is has told me that. he's introduced this new offense I'm not. sure I don't know if I can read I don't. know I'm going to read this offense I. think hunting's similar is to where. everything has to click but you still.

get that now is my opportunity yes and. dude it still is. overwhelming and then to control it and. then when you fit that air through that. window and then you can pick up the. phone and call your family and say baby. doll don't buy no steak cuz I'm bringing. at home it's it's it's it's again it's. just an it's not like you want to. disrespect the animal but you just. achieve something grocery shopping in. the wild is what you do yeah I think.

it's something that's very difficult to. do that you care a lot about and anytime. there's something that's very difficult. to do that you care a lot about you're. going to get nervous 100% And and when. and especially with hunting there's one. moment where you pull that trigger this. one moment you have this one moment so. you've been practicing you've been. preparing you packing your gear getting. ready all for this millisecond in time. where you you release that arrow and you. watch right in yeah and it's very.

difficult to master I don't think you. ever Master you become proficient at it. you become good at it but even the best. hunters make bad shots sometimes. absolutely animal moves the wind takes. the arrow in a weird Direction it hits a. branch going in you see it all the time. it's not an easy thing to do so of. course you're going to have those nerves. but that's part of the reward of being. success successful is that if you can. get through that nervousness and I think. it helps you in everything you do in. life I think anytime you do something.

really hard very difficult I think that. ability to overcome that difficult. scenario helps you with everything in. life 100% and when it comes to archery. too you're on that ragged line to where. in subconscious you can go from you can. be the hero or you can be zero that. quick all of that time the money the. energy the time that you did step away. from the special in your case because. hey I'm elk hunting you you know you got. to somehow communicate with your buddies. oh man I missed or worse I made a bad.

shot let's let's let him lay and so. everything that you look forward to that. whole year could you could let yourself. down so it's a very individual lonely. feeling yeah and you can't think about. that before you pull the trigger you can. never think I hope I don't make a bad. shot cuz you'll make a bad shot you. can't and I'm. always is you always are you always. positively thinking when you're like I'm. about to put it on him yeah are you. thinking positive I have to I do too. yeah I think you have to I I was.

interested you know I was talking I. mentioned Chuck Adams Chuck told me that. he did that exact opposite he said. sometimes I would say hey I'm gonna do. my best I'll probably fail it almost. like Mr Rogers Neighborhood I said. you're kidding me and and to me this. guy's the Beast and the only other. person in history I've ever heard that. there was a guy named C uh Kenny Bartram. is a Motocross he was the first guy to. ever do a backflip on a on a on a. motorcycle and he landed it and so he. went hunting with us one time in Texas. and I said Kenny how I mean how much.

weed you got to smoke to get on a bike. and think you can do a flip for the. first time he said man I just always. thought I'd probably kill myself but I'd. try I said so you never thought you. would land it he said no I every time I. try a trick I think I'm about to wad it. up I said oh my God how do you how do. you do that and I'm thinking about me. and my buddy boo Bishop building a BMX. track and building a little something we. jumped over and thinking I'd be scared. they like right I can do this just jump. over a little ramp I never thought yeah. jumping the rra like I'm probably GNA.

crash I always would think I could and. then when I crash I'd be you know like. surprised like I can't believe that that. hurt you know so Chuck and Kenny was the. only guys I've ever thought that thought. that you know a weird psychology I don't. think that's the best way to approach it. me either I good at it is there ever a. comedian that walks out like hey I'm. probably going to bomb but I'm going to. do the best I can or I'm G to play this. guitar the best I I don't know I just. sometimes people talk like that but I. think they they're they're fishing for. compliments you know for their own self.

yeah I think man I hope this works well. and then friends like come on man you're. [ __ ] hilarious you're going to kill. it like you think they might be like. fishing for compliments yeah kind of. like you're tired and this third down. and this like dude come on man come on. be open hit me you mustard through I. know you're limping hit me oh go yeah. okay yeah yeah yeah you need a little of. that sometimes yeah yeah I think these. experiences that we have that when we. relay it to people it it it's it's one. of the only places like in podcasts the. only places where you can hear it this.

way and I think uh that's what we're. battling against we're battling against. the media representations of hunting. which is almost entirely negative and. these perceptions that people have that. Hunters are cruel and then then then. there's this term trophy like trophy. like that that is the MU deer that I. killed with Ral that the first deer I. ever killed I love that and you know you. could say this is not a trophy mu deer. it's not a very big mu deer as far as Mu. deers go this is you know mature Buck.

but he's not a big one oh he's he's. beautiful to me this is this is where it. all started and this is a trophy this is. not if you went to a trophy unit and you. shot a deer like this people like what. are you doing why' you shoot this why. didn't you hold out for a big mature one. but this is like the term trophy gets. thrown around and and unfortunately has. a negative otation but I think Ted puts. it the best way Ted n yep he. says he says it's all the things it's.

food it's trophy it's sport it's all. those things together you know I don't. think of it as a sport like you said I. think the the term sport it's um sports. are awesome don't get me wrong but it's. not significant enough for for what. hunting is% age you're you're taking a. life you're feeding yourself with with. that life it's more it's more powerful. than Sport and that's why I think when. you call it this sport of hunting I'm.

like I don't like that term I I agree. with that too as a matter of fact if. there's any negative thing I think the. hunting industry and even TV shows that. we produce can put a negative vibe. potentially on trying to kill these big. trophy animals don't get me wrong. there's nothing wrong with it I mean you. you're hunting Utah and the places we. get a chance to hunt absolutely you're. looking for in that case a seven to. eight year old bull uh you know. sometimes they might score 320 to 370 uh. at the end of the day the trophy is for. sure a mature animal but you also got to.

keep in perspective especially if you. grow up where I did where literally. there's you know 10 guys shared a 300. acre property that they just want a deer. hunt and they're trying to get away keep. in mind they still managing a family. they're still dealing with the economy. they're still dealing with everyday. Strife of man how am I going to get off. work still get my kid to soccer practice. football practice my wife is pissed off. I hadn't even took her to Applebees in. the last three months you know and it's. like I didn't take the kids to you know.

Disney World and the only family picture. we got in front of the Shy's big boy so. man what am I going to do but in the. back of my mind I like I sure would like. to get off maybe Saturday I could spend. a little time and go over to the hunting. lease and hang out maybe get a chance to. shoot a deer they're not necessarily. thinking I got to kill a deer to put it. in Pope and young andar Boon and. Crockett they're looking it's more than. just a hunt it is a getaway it's a uh I. call it it's it's the cheapest you know. anti-press pressent you can get on to.

where you can clear your mind you can. get away hopefully you can turn your. phone off get up in a tree stand or a. saddle whatever it is whether you're. hunting public or private and we missed. that in the hunting industry so many. times and there's people that are. literally busting their ass for their. family it's not a sport to hunt but it's. therapeutic they grew up doing it to be. able to sit around a fire with other men. and women sometimes and get away to. cleanse yourself of everything that's. going on and unfortunately I think. that's what drives people sometimes. crazy in the even in the CI sometimes I.

I walked around Austin to today uh early. having a nice breakfast and I just. walked around and ended up running to. this uh Children's Network that was. trying to raise money where you can kind. of adopt a kid and give them so much a. month so man I did again I talk to. everybody I just hey man what y'all. selling over here like oh man normally. people don't come up and talk to us we. have to sell them as a guy from Europe. and and a sweet girl that was you could. tell that born and raised right around. here anyway with that said I ended up. you know I said man I want to pledge.

some money every month so I pick me out. a kid in Guatemala uh and so anyway with. that said about that time here comes uh. a street person and he is cussing me and. her and that fell out I mean the most. vile words you could I mean cussing like. a sailor as they would say. metaphorically and I'm like man what's. wrong with this guy so I said y'all get. this a lot you know and it was just. before I not far for when I come over. here. and the girl said yeah we do get that a. lot and the guy with the British accent. or the European accent said you know we. get it quite a bit you know he said but.

I think there's a bad batch of something. right now and I'm like oh really he said. you know he said man people have been. really mean lately they've been yelling. and cussing and screaming at us and well. by the time a guy comes back and he's. like you mfers I know everything and. everybody's [ __ ] and I'm and I'm. like and he's he's right there and it's. at and I'm at the point to where man you. know I ain't scared you can and you can. tell they experience it more than I do. and I'm sitting there watching this guy. and then all of a sudden uh he's just.

yelling screaming I said hey buddy I. said uh just so you know we on your side. man we love you bro I said you're right. you know a lot more than people realize. you know a hell of a lot more people. realize and I said you cool I'm on your. team so are they and he said I and it. was crazy Joey looked at me and said. thank you he left and and it hit me it. was so weird I got a little off track. what I was talking about hunting but I. thought man the dude don't even really. want to be understood he wants to be. heard right and I thought how ironic.

that I'm going to speak with Joe today. and anyway the girl and the guy says. I've never seen that happen like that. just got defused you treated him like a. human yeah and I said and and and. sometimes it's almost like uh you know. you know I I've never figured out. completely a lady my wife you know. sometimes it's always a game like and. I've I've learned that that I don't know. that I'll ever understand exactly what. it is she wants but I know she wants me. to hear and pay attention and I think. that's what societies do and whether.

you're a hunter whether you're from the. city and and but overall what I have. found whether you live in the city or. the country whether you get a chance to. go to a rave or go to the Mothership uh. which I hope to go by there t night I. just want to check out the joint you. know and and and so anyway when it's all. said and done there's something about. the peace and Tranquility that you can. refuel out in the woods and it brings. everything to a to a focal point and uh. and you can be still and be quiet and it. brings everything back and so in reality. it's not about people going to think of.

you different if you shoot the biggest. high scoring animal that you can put in. the bop and young or the Boon and. Crockett record books I think those of. us once we learn to respect each other. uh each other and and love each other's. goals that yeah if I know that your goal. is to shoot say a 390 bull that one day. you know I'll get a call and you're. going to be hyperventilating you're like. I just did it like what like dude I. swear you know well for people who don't. understand why that's so interesting to. us it's because they're the most.

difficult ones to get because they're. the older wiser ones that's that's and. also yeah when you look at it from a. conservation standpoint those are the. ones that you want to hunt because those. are the ones who spread their genes and. they're probably about to get taken out. by Nature anyway correct if you get an. 8-year-old elk or a 9-year-old elk or a. 10-year-old elk how many years they have. left I shot one 10-year-old elk once his. teeth were worn down almost nothing just. an old how how much time did he have. left if most likely he was going to.

either starve to death or freeze to. death or get stabbed in a fight with. another elk he'd get stabbed and wind up. line jump on him Mountain line jump on. him or freeze to death or you know a. number of other very very cruel endings. that I mean I shot that elk at 40 yards. it was a perfect shot he was down in 15. seconds it was no tracking so it's like. that elk died the best way possible he. did he's not he's not they don't live.

forever and become angels and that is a. very good death compared to a pack of. wolves or Mountain L starting to eat on. you sometimes before they're even. deceased it happens all there's so many. videos especially bears oh bears are. brutal man bears are very brutal and. selfish animals man crazy like hunting. bears is the thing you get the most hate. for oh everybody thinks they're cuddly I. mean I don't know if it's a Winnie the. Poo type of thing 100% but it's like. teddy bears and Yogi and all that [ __ ]. we're all distorted like when people say.

you've hunt bears I go I've eaten Bears. I've eaten Three Bears they're delicious. like what you eat bears I'm like I'll. make you some bare sausage and I'll tell. you what you will [ __ ] love it if if. especially if I don't tell you what it. is you'll go what is this this is great. it's like seems like beef but different. and then if they knew how a bearish. personality was they want I mean want to. kill them oh they they'll kill their own. kids oh yeah and eat to breed Mama to. eat them I mean it's it's just a it's a. brutal world you know those was things.

before I even had a chance to hunt that. I recognized just domestically you know. my you know raising rabbits you know you. know those rabbits would sometimes kill. the the little baby rabbits for the. right and opportunity to breed again. real quick with the with the female in. the pen you know and I realized and my. POA said you got to separate them that. buck rabbit killed that like man I. didn't know that you know I'm 10 years. old trying to figure out how to raise. some rabbits or watching Hogs you know. uh pigs they always had on a raised. floor pin he' raise up a few Hogs man.

them jokers are trying to kill each. other mean you know who does that. dolphins dolphin are they brutal like. that Dolphins we think of them as sweet. intelligent they commit infantri side. all the time what dolphin females have. to do is they have to breed with as many. males as possible because when a female. dolphin has babies she has to take care. of that baby for about 6 years so when. the male Dolphins recognize a female. with babies and they don't know that. female those are not his babies he'll.

kill those babies so that that female. dolphin will breed so he wants to breed. her so she will breed with everybody. possible so nobody knows who the babies. are and so since they're intelligent. they understand that they they've bred. with that female before so that could be. their their babies so they don't kill. them so basically all the dolphins are. hoes all hoes yeah that's how they they. have to be otherwise their babies get. killed so they've adopted this. polyamorous strategy to try to kill to. keep the male Dolphins from killing the.

babies well that's amazing I mean you. watch the breeding season during elk. like he was talking about those fighting. and ironically they never they never get. things confused th those males are. looking for the females the females know. that I'm GNA breed with this dude and. strongest survive and they are you know. a lot of people say oh they're really. not trying to kill each other no you. wasn't out there I didn't watch this on. that Geo this they're trying to murder. each other oh I've seen some amazing. epic elk fights it's some of the. greatest things to see in nature these.

big 800lb animals running at each other. with swords grown out of their heads. it's Clash it sounds like anash like. some kind of Scottish fight back in the. 1400 like like a sword fight almost it's. like cracking baseball bats together. against each other and you hear it loud. you're like oh [ __ ] they're fighting and. you go over there watch oh it's amazing. it's crazy to watch the brutality of it. and you know you'll find them. occasionally dead yeah because one of. them is stabbed one we we found one um I.

think I have video of it on my phone he. had a we were hunting him he had a 6inch. tin sticking out of his neck holy cow it. was broken off sticking out of his neck. and he's still running his cows and. bugling I'm sure I have it it's I had we. had the same similar thing in New Mexico. this year Nick mutt who's hunts one of. my best friends we hunt a lot together. he shot a good good bull like first. morning I was calling it was classic man. bull come in he shot it and we were. caping him out there on the side of the. hill and and all of a sudden look at.

here man he had a he had a t again about. four inches and it was broke off just. right all pussed up and this dude still. come in I'm gonna send Jamie this this. picture because it's so or the video. because it's so. crazy it's it's so cool though to see. that and and and experience it and I I. think it's sad that most people don't. know um and there's a lot of very smart. people people that in some cases they. think it might be a little beneath them. to to understand what maybe hunting is. truly about other than maybe what they. see on a Walt Disney movie and uh I.

think that is. definitely kind of fueled me to be able. to help educate and talk about those. things and I know ranella has done an. amazing job of introducing that too and. there's a lot of great ambassadors we. got right now doing that yeah there it's. a great time to be educated about this. and it's a great time and there's a lot. of people that have gotten really. interested and hunting from those kind. of conversations with renell and with. Cam yourself and how did you eventually. get started doing cuz like that's every.

young guy's dream that is ever hunted. like oh my God imagine like making a. living doing that like that's what I. would love to do oh man how did you how. did you pull that off one of one of the. coolest stories actually and only in. America you don't hear the story in. Turkmenistan um but you know I I grew up. obviously like I said rule I love to hun. hunting fish um very simple my dad was a. contractor so I really thought that that. I wanted to maybe work with my dad or do. what he did Hands-On labor I knew I.

didn't want to be in office anyway I try. to keep it short but basically what I. end up doing is just enthralled my mom. passed away when I was young 16 and so. my dad and I become more like brothers. and my dad he had a ninth grade. education the hardest working man I've. ever been around and uh and so anyway we. we love to hunt and fish and it become. therapeutic and so we got I got a turkey. calling and had won some contest and met. some of you know my turkey Callin Heroes. and that's where I met Bill Jordan and. David Blandon and I started guiding when.

I was probably 19 so and then one thing. led to another start working full-time. there at real tree and just uh as a guy. as a camera guy they had that Show on. TNN and so I was just literally camera. jockeying it from skin and deer guid and. turkey hunters and it was David Blandon. who said man um you know there's a lot. more you could do and so I I I kind of. by default Joe how I got lucky too was. when I hooked up with those guys David. Blandon and Bill I got to do some of the. turkey calling tips because I had won.

some contests and so even back on TNN I. was this young kid and they were like. hey we need a we need a tip you know the. TNN tip of the week you know brought to. you by field line packs you know. something like you know like hey man I'm. Michael W I want to talk to you about. yeling at turkeys I ain't know nothing. about TV so it was never top of mind. like one day I'll be hunting on TV I was. just thinking man I love this enough. that maybe I can do the I can work for. this company and and I remember they. paid me $100 a day to go guide somebody. turkey hunting and I told my dad man I'm. about to get.

rich and listen to this they'll pay you. this thing called mileage I had old beat. up Toyota truck four cylinder I said dad. that them suckers will pay me a a. mileage I forgot what it is but Heck if. I drive an hour I make money you know. they pay it and then if you stop at a. convenience store you keep your receipt. and they'll pay for your snacks uh. everything I couldn't believe that cuz I. grew up with my dad working you know. like oh Timmy just fell off the roof. like well call his let's call his wife. tell him to come get him and then my dad.

be you all right oh I think I broke my. leg hell you know it's like well dang. well you probably going to be here. tomorrow are you like no I don't I doubt. it I mean it was just rough almost. Cowboy [ __ ] you know yeah and so I. couldn't believe this you know and uh. and so one thing led to another and that. was in the early 90s uh right out of. high school and uh I'm 51 now and that. was in the early 90s and in 1994 and 5. everything started heating up and in '. 96 David Blandon offered me a full-time. job to work in production be so surreal.

to be able to make a living doing this. thing that you love when no one even. thought it was a job when you were a kid. yeah it was not a thing you aspired to. no and my family took it hard my grandom. and my uncles were like I might as well. just got on crack and been on the street. they're. like I'd went to heat and air school and. got a degree and worked a year with. baringers hea and cooling out of bar out. of zeblin Georgia and I had me a truck. had my name on it you know Michael you.

know and had me my Refrigeration tools. and every Christmas my dad I boy I got. you another flaring kit I mean just blue. collar culture and all of a sudden you. know I'm coming in telling the family. like hey uh I don't know if I'm going to. keep doing the heating and air deal you. like what like you got a truck son you. got your own uniform you know you you. got benefits I'm like yeah but there's. this camouflage company want me to take. Dale Earnhart turkey hunting. and and my dad was the only one that got.

it everybody else is like it was an. intervention like I'd go to Christmas. and like hey uh nephew let me pull your. side now you know you can't make a. living at this hunting and fishing thing. you know like you know like well I don't. know but I'm young and man this is be. really cool I love this more than. anything but it was kind of that whole. situation of it wasn't a job before it. wasn't a job. and and and I and I was trusting him but. I was sitting there thinking like I'm. pretty sure Bill Jan's rich I mean he's. I saw him with a Mercedes he had a.

Mercedes Benz and uh matter of fact. there's a really funny story about that. Mercedes Benz uh but I I couldn't. believe it and so my grandma was like. son when you get tired of this just go. have fun with it but come back to it. almost no different than if you're a. young kid like I'm going to Nashville I. want to play guitar and sing maybe I can. be the next Luke Bryan yeah and somebody. in family's like oh when he getss right. he'll come back jump in the family. business start putting these shingles on. the roof you know he'll get back in. sheet rock and just give him a chance. hell he was one of the best concrete.

guys I knew that kid would work he could. run a Bull Float like some [ __ ] you. know and so I that was me and um and all. of a sudden they offer me a full-time. job wasn't a lot of money and I remember. going back and saying you know hey they. got all these things 401K they got. benefits he I got eye and dental and I. get to go on all these epic trips and I. met amazing people hunting with people. that I was just Shell Shocked I remember. I met Leonard skinnard band in a NASCAR. Suite one time the madest ever got at.

Bill Jordan madest I ever got it of. course you know Ronnie was had passed on. and half the members but it was uh. Johnny Van an and it was uh rossington. and I'm sitting there a redneck kid I'm. at Atlanta Motor Speedway like I can't. believe it there's Mark Martin's wife. and I'm like man I have made it I'm over. get chicken fingers and bro Joe all of a. sudden I look the door opens and there. was just people in there and there it's. the Leonard skinnard band look just like. you know like what I pictured and I'm. like oh my God you know I'm freaking out.

and Bill said hey Ain't That Ain't That. a ban I said that's not only a band. that's Leonard skinnard and Bill Jordan. said what are they saying I said I swear. to God I ain't never hit my boss but I'm. about to knock you out you know are you. kidding me and and I never forget I went. over there and and I I was just you know. I got a chance to meet them but so many. people I met and I couldn't believe it. and one thing led to another and really.

what the biggest break I had was David. Blandon who was like a big brother I. mean like a like a father and he was. just such a good guy good Christian guy. Good Hunter um Outdoor Channel was just. coming on Outdoor Channel was really. kind of coming on but at the time you. know the the kind of beat your chest. kind of Pride was the fact that you. could be on ESPN and our TNN and then. TNN had been through a situation where I. think it was Viacom had some big merger. that was part of the MTV thing and so. they quickly uh through their kind of.

culturally said hey we need to kind of. do away with this hunting thing these. guys are killing stuff and it become the. Nashville it was the Nashville Network. then it become the national network then. it BEC Spike TV and so everything moved. over all the the big Sunday night block. move over to ESPN but you couldn't show. impact well about that time they started. the outdoor channel on cable TV they. were looking for distribution and so it. was David Blandon he said Michael we. need to come up with a cool hook and we.

need to create a show over on Outdoor. Channel and so getting back to meeting. these people and what I found it was. fascinating and it's just the same with. these conversations you have these. people that you just look up to yeah you. meet some people that are interesting. and weird but for the most part you're. like wow these guys are super cool super. talented and that's what I was Finding. when I would run into a country singer I. remember Mark Chestnut sitting around. and drinking whiskey and him playing a. guitar and singing Hank William Jr song. running into bosephus running into you. know to Leonard Skinner and all those.

guys I like man these guys are so down. Earth and cool and I realized that there. was more to this hunting than just the. staunch you know here we go with the. incus ratch today we're hunting the. mosquite flats of inol you know the. coyotes abund it there's a big buck. around the corner how you going to do. yeah and it was just like at the time it. was SED so sanitized everybody was. starched you go to a hunting show. everybody had on khakis I mean it's. almost like we it was a facade and um. and I remember telling David Blandon I.

said I think what we're missing is the. the culture and the fun and everybody. was very serious and you should be. serious if you're going to go take a bow. and airrow or a rifle and take the life. of a wild animal but the camp life was. so amazing and we would have different. personalities different NFL athletes we. would have comedians people like Jeff. Foxworthy and I was just so so pleased. that these people that I adored and was. big fans of was people that you could. sit around and and have a glass of sweet. tea or a cold beer and and just laugh.

and they were as real possibly more. entertaining in person kind of like you. talk about Theo people ask he really. funny well you should have should have. been with us at this UFC fight we. couldn't even watch the fight the guy's. you know cracking us up and so I told. David I said I think most of these. people if we could do a show kind of. documenting just the camp life and the. real reality of how much fun you have I. think we could sell that fund and so. David said do it he said he said matter. of fact you host it and I'm like no no. no I'm not coming in here to pit you to.

for me to host a show you know behind. the scenes I'll guide I'll run camera. I'll help edit produce i' he'd sent me. to Maine to this International Film and. art school to learn how to edit on. nonlinear the first Avid oh wow I'm up. there like dude I'm big dog I got my. business card like yeah I work for real. tree you know outdoor on TNN you know. I'm I'm over there and I found out that. was where it really hit me that a lot of. people didn't like hunting like oh my. God you kill animals and I had all these. beta tapes and I remember I had Dale. Earnhart killing the deer on there and I. told the instructor I said I need to. learn how to put this in the computer.

and build a hunt out of it because. everything was AB roll editing and I. knew how to do that pretty good I said. but I need to learn how to do it on this. nonlinear he said oh my God we never we. struggle to get footage y'all got these. $80,000 cameras CU bill was one of the. first people to buy these really high. dollar beta cameras that was out. videoing with and putting them in the. wild and so uh anyway as that as I. showed the footage he said man can we. use this and let the class use this. footage as a project to build story. lines cuz I had the cutaways you know.

back then you you'd shoot the animal. you'd video that then you'd go back okay. push your safety off like now like you'd. pretend you'd pretend so it was like a. reenactment now let's go back and build. a preh hunt you know and it'd be like. Dale Earnhart walking through the forest. with his Garo on or however and these. camouflage like yeah we're going down. here to a ridge flat a lot of acrin up. there and well the deer has been dead a. long time ago obviously by the time we. shot that and um so he loved that the. instructor cuz it gave us a chance to. put the storyline and I thought man I'm. going to be the hero you know all these.

little girls up here in Maine and I. ain't never seen a lot of people with. purple hair and stuff and I could tell. it was kind of that cool hippie Trend. and it was artsy and but in my mind I'm. like I'm just I'm just having a good. time and um anyway dude immediately Joe. that it become a protest there was two. or three people stood up in the class. like we're not using this we cannot we. will walk out these animals are getting. dead if you can prove these animals were. not harmed and I'm like no they're all. dead they ain't I mean they're dead I. mean the and finally I had a like a.

little bit of a meltdown CU that was one. of the first times that it really hit me. where I had a mass of people saying you. know almost felt like the Antichrist cuz. I'm the guy killing deer and I thought. it was going to be the opposite I was. ready to name drop like look I got Dale. Earnhart I videoed shoot a i Afra to. name drop and it just all you just never. experienced anti-hunting never and um so. learned that and then one thing led to. another I remember went to the. instructor I said man look I I I'm I'm a. little bit bothered you know it is what. it is but even if you have to teach me. after class I need to learn how to do.

this I I'm not doing I'm a student but I. come up here my employer sent me up here. I got to learn how to do this so I came. back pretty efficient as a as a. nonlinear editor all of it didn't have. any desire to know that that's what I. want to do but I was just wanting to you. know sweep the warehouse if you want me. to edit you want me to take somebody. hunting you need me to put up a fence. skin a up you know whatever and then. when David gave me that opportunity to. do real tree road trips back in the day. was in 2003 it aired we shot it in 2002.

that's when everything for me because it. was all about personality it was all. about having fun and that's kind of we. kind of come up the tagline this is a. different kind of hunting show well you. were the first guy to bring fun and. personality to hunting television oh. yeah we tried so hard you know first gu. it looked like you were having a good. time with your friends it wasn't this. stuffy. presentation of like hunting like here. he goes in the wild of Montana you know. he won't go far where grizzly bears.

abound yeah hunting for The elusive mule. deer exactly you the barious white tail. uses secondary scrapes as he approaches. his staging area exactly you you were. having a good time you were laughing and. cutting up and and I think that's what. made you famous in that world it's like. you were representative of what people. really like. is just someone having a good time and. enjoying themselves which is really what. a lot of the hunting is is a lot of. bonding and camaraderie like the camp. time is almost as fun as the hunting.

time oh you know and you're all just. sort of winding down at the end of the. day having a good time together relaxing. and telling stories and laughing and it. was and and even to this day it's kind. of still where we kind of settle in and. um it's like you know honestly I'm not. really trying to out hunt anybody but. we'll try to out fun everybody and so if. you if you come to Camp you know and. this myself big old T-Bone he you know. he lost his leg so he's not hunting with. us as much he can't he can't get around.

to to cancer he lost his leg and then. but Nick and I I mean we're going to. have a good time and if you desire to. get serious which we do encourage hey. it's time to buckle down there's a time. for fun there's there's a time to to. haunt it in but we just m tried our best. to make it fun and I've learned that if. you do that and you can make friends. that's the biggest of the trophy you'll. ever get yes that's a trophy but the. stories you got with sitting with. ranella and the people around the camp. and that experience you meet people from.

all over the country in our case the. world and then next thing you know it's. like even more special and so uh I I. know people I said a lot I know people. that's got some amazing trophy rooms but. they're lonely they Dusty and they. really ain't made a lot of friends. because they were so beating their chest. kill the next biggest thing yeah that. they forgot that the trophy is. relationships and the adventure and yes. inevitably this this deer that's hanging. on the wall that your family has enjoyed. over a period of sometimes a year.

sometimes it take you a year or two to. eat elk right a full elk it's a lot of. meat but uh I don't know man it's just. it's just an amazing journey and I I I. mean I never felt like I was that. talented is other than the fact I just. had a lot of good work ethic my dad put. in me and I was really had a passion for. it and um and I didn't have really any. weird opposition pulling me away from it. it pulled me toward it but Growing Up So. Ru in Blue Collar I had to prove to my. family that there was a livelihood here.

because they literally looked at it like. we need to get that boy drug tested I. don't know he listen to this he thinks. he's going to video deer hunts that's. what he thinks and he's going to skin a. few he's going to take a few celebrities. hunting and he's going to get free camo. but you can't eat that camo you know you. you yeah and I ain't going to buy the. sace B steak how you going to go to. Bonanza well it's interesting because. fun and personality and camaraderie are. infectious it like people they they're.

drawn to it but it's not something you. can manufacture you either have a great. personality or you don't but having a. great personality is very marketable so. it's kind of a weird sort of catch like. you can't pretend you're that person. because people won't buy it you have to. actually for the reason why it work with. you is cuz this is who you really are. that's you right and so you didn't even. know you had this thing that was. marketable I no it was just you being a. person that it's a great point because.

to this day I'll go to and aside because. I'm now you know when I I know you love. classic cars and I hear about the things. you talk about and and obviously I'm a. big fan of of the podcast and so one. thing that draws me in is the fact that. culturally we're into the same things. you know Rubik's cubes and 80s and I. always my favorite car was a 70 Super. Sport you know chevel and so I one of. those dude I black with white stripes oh. my God I love it the same one like on. John Wick basicall that's a 70 yeah so.

anyway I I I was just so just amazed by. I don't know it's just all all of it and. and uh and and even now when I meet. people that's the first thing they'll. say after we hang out and I just had it. up at Cactus Jack with uh with Cameron I. had two or three of the guys like hey. man and these are older guys like. appreciate you what man you just like I. thought you'd be and it kind of takes me. back it's not offensive but I'm like. what what was I supposed to be and I I. guess I realize and Cameron and I've.

talked a lot about that about like it's. odd that there is a thing that is fake. that people can't be transparent that. people can't just talk their feelings. and everything we say don't mean our. assessment is always correct but at. least it is something to be heard and. told and then the more you talk I think. that's what reshaped the politics this. year when you look at Trump coming on JD. yeah Harris passed well it proves like. well did you really have something to. say and could it be valid and could you. be real and everybody I think.

appreciates real even if they don't like. the person that they see necessarily as. as real and now everything's in question. it's like you know it's like these. rappers are they really as tough as they. say right is was diddy gay I thought. this dude I thought he had done shot. more stuff than I have you know and it's. like you know I don't know I don't know. it's just like it's yeah well when when. people ask me all the time like oh you. met jelly roll what's he like he's. exactly like you you like that's right.

that's why he's popular that's that's a. genuine real human being ex Luke BR just. like you like exact good cool cat yeah. Luke Holmes same thing that's exactly. who he is and that's what people are. worried about the someone not being like. that like you see someone who's real fun. on TV and they're real friendly and then. you meet him in real life like oh that. guy's an [ __ ] he's me to waitresses. and you know he's shitty to the [ __ ]. the the valley driver you know it's you. you want people to be what you hope them. to be but often times you're prepared.

for them to not be that yeah you you. represent that too Joe it's like I you. know I remember going to Utah and. hunting and I was like hey man you know. this before I ever knew I'd get a chance. to meet you and talk with you and I said. How's Joe and he's like and and then. first thing I ask Cameron is like dude. he's unbelievable so you meet and you. are that person and and and a question. for you I often wonder do you think. that's starting to affect Hollywood a. little bit to where now if you look at. the most successful people it is the. realest people you know people might not. even like say a Donald Trump but people.

are gravitated because they think hey. man this is him this is real uh I think. the best thing for people in Hollywood. that are entrenched in that world is to. shut the [ __ ] up because as soon as they. start talking people like as soon as. Robert deiro starts talking I'm like. Jesus get that [ __ ] microphone away. from him so I can enjoy Taxi Driver yeah. heartbreak it's heartbreaking yeah I. don't want to hear I love daero I love. those mob movies it's like I don't want. to hear him that he's a [ __ ] I don't. want to hear him talking about politics. and about Trump supporters and just shut.

the [ __ ] up man like you didn't think. this through like this is and he's. getting yelled at he's doing an outside. press conference like Robert you're 80. years old don't ruin this thing you've. had this life where you were [ __ ]. Raging Bull you know you you in The. Godfather like stop stop stop doing this. don't do this I'm I'm terrified to meet. some of those people I looked up to now. you should be I mean like I've met a few. of them and unfort it's actors in. particular because their whole business.

is pretend their whole business is. pretend you know one of the things about. guys like Theo or comedians you run into. comedians their business is the opposite. of pretend they their business is just. being a real person talking [ __ ] the. professional [ __ ] talkers yeah you know. having fun being silly talking [ __ ]. about things and actors are not that. they're weird people man and the one. thing that's harming them in Hollywood. is that they get exposed for being who. they really are and a lot of these.

people that pretend to be all you know. clean cut and you find out they're into. freaky [ __ ] and you know it's. like and it's easier to expose stuff now. because social media I'm sure like back. in the day I can only imagine the part. way Jennings and Marl Haggard can you. some of these pictures on the wall in. here can you imagine some of stuff they. didn't have to worry about nobody. right I mean there was really rockstars. Leonard skinnard can you imagine Leed. Zeppelin all those people the parties. Hendrick oh yeah Jim Marson crazy. craziness and no accountability nothing.

and all they got to do is like I was I. was not there prove it and now yeah now. you can't go on El cut and everybody. knows you're there Well everybody's got. a [ __ ] camera in their pocket. everybody everything is being filmed and. so many people get exposed for who they. really are it's it's weird but it's also. probably good for Humanity it's good for. that's one of the things that I think is. what the rise of podcasts is people get. to see real people having real. conversations and some people can do it. and some people can't and I think the.

Harris thing was they were worried that. she couldn't I think they I think they. made a good assessment that she couldn't. I don't know man I mean I've seen her. have fun with people there's this one. very funny conversation where she's. talking about meeting her in-laws for. the first time where her mother-in-law. grabs her face and it's it's really. funny it's it's funny listen to her. saying she's laughing heart but a real. life this time maybe she could now. though maybe maybe maybe she so if there. is a machine because you know what is. it's fair to say uh even on Harris I'll.

say this or comma camel and and that's. what's amazed to me I didn't think she. had a chance to win because I didn't. even know I still don't know what her. name is I mean I don't know what the. hell is it KLA camela I I think it's KLA. it's KLA well it's like well I I'm. probably going to screw it up like you. know and then CNN's going to be like. yeah you he Rogan didn't even call her. name right it's like but at the end of. the day maybe now that she's under out. of that whole situation because you know. you see you know and I think the world's. changing like where record producers and.

stuff are controlling music and you know. if you're going to get on a radio. station to where you know everybody. walks a tight rope you have to kind. you're working for this machine. Hollywood I'm sure the same way you got. people that I can't I remember Ted nent. tells a story um was it Kurt Russell he. was one of his best friends was Kurt. Russell and Kurt likes to hunt uh and. and this was Ted just telling me in a. hunting camp and I asked him I said man. you know how is Kurt you know I love his. movies too I'm big fan he said dude Kurt. is amazing he said but he had to to a. degree during that time frame bow to.

that machine because he couldn't do. these things so I think now it's like. you don't know what's real because you. don't know if they are trying to do this. for a career or if they can be real and. then at times okay I believe daero in. his case is finally his true colors and. finally like I'm enough to where I can. be real but the real you do see him I'm. like go back to being fake just go back. to being fake I don't want to see this. [ __ ] you really are I know I don't. want to hear someone lecturing me that I. just oh it's so sad ah crazy but I.

think real convers like celebrities were. always people that were on a pedestal. and you didn't think of them as real. people you know you never got to see. John Wayne having long form. conversations where he explains his. position on this or that you you just. never sawy that and I think more of that. is being exposed now and I think it's. probably good for all of us to not have. these ridiculous perceptions of these. people and think of them as being larger.

than live characters they're just humans. they're just regular people they're all. just human beings and some some of these. regular human beings are really [ __ ]. good at playing bad guys but you meet. them in real life and they're real super. sweet they're really nice people they're. just good at their job their job is. pretending to be an [ __ ] that's right. you know mean it's what we we the more. conversations we have the more. conversations that we're that we have. access to the more we get to see the. patterns of how human beings think and. behave and the more we get to see what.

we like and generally what we like is. nice people being real that I totally. agree that's what people like and and. that perspective you shine you know. obviously you got a lot of respect for. Mike Tyson I think he's the baddest. boxer toughest I mean I idolized him as. a boxer I didn't know much about him as. a man or what he was going through at. the time but like when it come time to. watch a boxing bout Tyson on a card. there was no one like him but what a. sweetheart of a man I listen to I listen. to it and just the things he says he's.

so. sweet that you know he says things that. you don't even know if he's funny like. he was talking about you know Joe you. you know you ever get a wrect when you. fight you know and and they think I. think you giggled and he's like no I'm. serious you know and I'm like whoa you. whoa and all all I'm sitting there. thinking was like I I feel you Tyson I. was hunting El in you know New Mexico. and bull come Bugan and I was kind of. getting like $5 worth of jaw breakers it. was getting there cuz I was getting. excited about this adren of this elk so.

okay you doing it fighting but in my. mind I thought it was kind of a joke too. but he's such a sweet deep he's a sweet. guy but there's a there's a monster in. there dude and he can hit that switch. he's scary still scary oh he scared the. [ __ ] out of me meeting him the first. time like uh I think Kevin Hart was the. first one to say it he said it was like. it's like you're in the room with a lion. it's like you're like okay probably is. this is the lion cool he's not going to. kill me okay you know it's like Jesus. but it was there's certain people that I.

meet that like you know I meet him like. I can't believe I'm in the room with. Quinton Tarantino like that is bizarre. that was there's a few of those people. that you meet him you know Trump's one. of those people you mean like yeah he's. right there amaz pres that's undeniable. that guy un unlike anybody else can be. himself yes that guy can be himself no. matter what he can be himself at press. conferences he can be himself on a. podcast that's a huge strength that he. could be himself you either like who he. is or you dislike who he is but you have.

to respect that that guy can be himself. he is and guess what the more you talk. about somebody like Donald Trump like. him or love him he has pretty much as. now you know the sack time he's going to. be. president he is accessible to the people. in in a weird way meaning I had a chance. to even meet Trump he talking about the. hunting industry he came came to Las. Vegas we used to have this thing called. the Golden moose Awards and I knew. Donald Jr he was a big hunter and um. anyway the word got out that hey Trump. this is prior to the uh election the 16.

election he he came to Las Vegas just. say hey man there's there's 13 to 15. million Hunters out there I need to see. where they see what the situation is. here I think they're good people and I. hear this from my sons Eric and Donald. so he he comes there and and I had a. chance to meet him and same thing it was. like wow this is before he's president. but he's still Donald Trump and um and I. remember I didn't know much if I could. you know in my mind is this the guy I'm. going to vote for he was still in the. primaries but I remember the first thing. he said to me he said uh his Donald Jr.

introduced me to him said dad you know. this is Michael wadell he works in the. hunting industry he does hunting shows. he said man immediately so nice but I. remember with the words he said that I. knew he wasn't a politician was real he. said so you do a lot of hunting and I I. can't do the impression but I said yes. sir I I love it that's all I love to do. I'm not good at it I don't have the. patience my son they're very efficient. they're very efficient they're very good. they they hunt all around the world he. he said but I got a question these. wolves what's the deal with the Wolves.

they're killing a lot of [ __ ] and I said. Mr trump it really is a problem I got. friends and ranchers out there these. wolves they reintroduced them they spent. up they spending millions of taxpayers. dollars out there and this is in my mind. if I am playing this role of inferior or. redneck or insecurity here in my mind. I'm trying to talk humbly to kind of. help him know what I know some friends. out in Colorado have G through from. cattle to domestic problems to the elk. population he said well it's simple if.

they're causing a problem we need to do. something about the. wolves and I remember thinking I'm. voting for this dude I'm voting for this. dude I don't care what he's talking. about grabbing because I'd been to a few. little nonprofit you know in Washington. DC with lobbyists and stuff where we. trying to get some money from bill for. the nwtf and brood and habitat or Rocky. Mountain Elk Foundation and I found most. of the politicians were decently fake. almost similar to a California La actor.

type where it's like okay if I need to. be nice this guy I will be but I need to. figure out who he is and if he's got. credentials and what power he has yes. and so for me here I am feeling like I'm. the lowest person in this room all these. other guys are you know heads of major. corporations within the hunting industry. and I'm just this guy who likes to. Turkey hunts got this show on The. Outdoor Channel and I'm getting a chance. to shake his hand but he's just as real. with me as he is the guy who maybe is. maybe the richest guy in the room or. possibly the most famous guy in the room. and I found that fascinating that he was.

that way on the other hand I'm over. there talking to a senator at Washington. DC at a at a party a lobbyist put. together and it's like everything like. good to meet you I I too like to hunt. and so gratifying to see the sunrise and. I'm like just a fake person just comp. yeah weird right yeah it's weird when. you're around them because what if. you're capable of talking to people fake. like this what other what other things. what are you capable of yeah you're a. strange human that's exactly right and. your whole aspiration is to like stay.

fake and to make as much money money. possible while being fake exactly and. the whole time again I never dug into. politics like I'm talking to a guy that. once I do go back and Google he come in. office he was making you know he's. making as a senator I don't know what 50. to 100 Grand a year and now he's worth. and it's all he's ever done now he's. worth 10 billion or $10 million like how. like where' that come from I don't think. my Grandmama would understand that. either nobody understands that it's like. so transparent and it's right in front.

of your face like the Nancy Pelosi. situation she's never made more than. $175,000 a year she's worth a hundred. and something million dollars how does. that happen it's like corruption. corruption it only happens through. corruption and it's transparent legal. corruption it's very strange and it's on. both sides it happens everywhere if at. the stock trading and the red versus. blue they're both right up there they're. all they all have inside information. they're all and they put Martha Stewart. in jail for it didn't they yes well they.

actually put her in jail for lying she. Lo lied to Federal investigators that's. what they ah I got you it was Comey it. was the same guy who went after Trump. like it's real wild it's real wild when. you see what it really is all about and. there's Politics on both sides and it's. it's not a right or a left thing it's a. power and Corruption thing and I feel. like there is a little bit of momentum. that feels like there's a little bit of. a cleansing process it's going to take a. long time I think to get there but I. think everything that's happening now it.

feels through opportunities and Outlets. like this that people can talk and. people can understand what's real and. fiction or at least debate yeah it seems. like everything from I don't know the. the political world to just everything. about the truth about whether it's. hunting and fishing the truth about the. cause most possibly uh you know some of. the stuff about ancient civilization to. to you know people and and uh people. that that love Jesus Christ you can. really dig deep and you can have good. conversations and it's not just dictated.

by a certain machine and um yeah I love. that that's pretty amazing that all of. us can come together and and have a. conversation pretty cool yeah it's it's. a good time it's a crazy time to be. alive but I think it's a beautiful time. ah it's it's amazing man I really do and. and and only in America baby I saw in. America only in America I have more hope. for this country right now after this. election than I've had in a long long. time in a long time it feels like with. this crew of people with JD Vance and.

Elon Musk and RFK Jr and tulsey gabard. and V Grandma Swami I think there's a. real chance that things can change real. chance that we can expose some of the. deep-seated corruption some of the. problems that we've had in this country. and and move us on to a better path I do. too and I find um I still got friends. that are diar Democrats and pretty darn. liberal uh believe it or not even me. that that works in the hunting industry. and even them I feel a sense of almost. like ah I was having a conversation with.

a friend of mine from New York about. this and he's liberal but he was like. listen everybody pretends that they're. mad that Trump won but there's a a. recognizable feeling of relaxation in. New York yeah like like some sense of. logic has prevailed no one really. believed that she was going to be a. great president they certainly didn't. believe that Tim Walsh was going to be a. great vice president that was crazy that. were crazy that that guy was supposed to. be One Heartbeat Away from the [ __ ].

president and then they also knew that. there was so much corruption involved. everybody knew what the what they were. doing with the Twitter files and all. that other [ __ ] there was there was so. much that like this is probably the. right way I know I mean and people were. paying attention that have never been. intrigued yes and and I think a lot of. things happen there it's like you know. most people you know I somebody asked me. you know how do you know when you're. rich and I said well when you don't know. what a gallon of milk cost that to me. right cuz I remember growing up in that.

same rural area and you know my. Grandmama and stuff but when I can sit. there and talk to my youngans and I you. know my son Mason I said Mason when you. come down run by and get us a gallon of. milk and you know get us some cereal we. us have cereal and I got some sausage. but get us a gallon of milk and a loaf. of. bread well that never was a case when I. was a kid grandma said hey run by look. don't go to bigar it's 25 cent more over. there go over there to Giant Mark they. got a deal right now as a matter of fact. go buy me a couple packs of that Ground.

Round they're running a special gallon. of milk they knew they drive over here. knew where gas was a cheapest and when. you get to a place to where you know. you're doing pretty well so it's like I. need some gas pull over yeah you ain't. worried about driving across town save a. quarter um my friend Brian has this. thing I say it all the time he said this. is how Rich you want to get where you. can go to a restaurant and order. whatever you want and not worry about it. yep everything after that [ __ ] and. then look and say hey I won't tip 20% or. 25 and you do the math just write it on.

there and yeah that that's that's you. are rich and you are blessed if you can. do that everything else on top of that. you don't really notice it it's kind of. [ __ ] 100% agree with that and and I. think that backfired on a little bit of. the whole Harris thing when she said no. everything's good yeah and she's telling. that to people who know exactly where. the cheapest milk is and they were going. to vote for her and they're like yes no. it ain't I'm struggling out here you. know and then you're telling you know. like we blessed to go to these hunting.

places but they're not cheap places to. hunt to to be able to technically. trespass on these properties that are. privately owned and are if you were to. go on a public El hunt you know the. private public well look go get us a URI. if we did right now me you and Cam and. Remy planned us a a good do DIY hunt. it's like but Joe you going to get the. uck I'll go get the mountain house right. Cam's like hey man I got plenty of. mountain Ops and whatever and I'll blank. some coffee imagine putting a yur out in. the middle of can you imagine but I.

promise you if we just dutched it. dutched it we still got three or four. grand a piece yeah and we're going out. there to to go hunt yeah just in. supplies and setups oh yeah just in your. bow and your arrows and your broadheads. and your [ __ ] Rangefinder and your. binos and your gear and your clothing. and your. boots the tires on your truck and gas. and this and that and then tags and oh. it's it's not cheap oh it's not cheap.

like I said uh you could either buy you. a small farm in Kentucky or just get you. a new bow I mean that's what it feels. like these days you know but uh I I tell. you it's it's it's absolutely so amazing. that we get a chance to even do it and. even get back to hunting I I tell people. all the time it's like you know I I I've. always stood by the fact I don't think. um you're badass that you hunt I think. it's just badass that we can have that. opportunity in America that we can fall. back on that and if times do get hard.

there's a certain piece once you'll. understand the craft of it a little bit. of that rule of living and knowing how. to skin a deer knowing the best parts. and yes you can't eat it all you know um. you can eat organs you can eat real. meats you can do all those things but at. the end of the day there's a certain. peace as a man especially and I think. overall even though we're in a world to. where you know we got these equality and. women can do what men can do or. supposedly but at the end of the day. I've always looked at it that um my job. is to provide you know safety uh some.

type of structure uh food and care for. my family and and any man that's out. there that knows nothing about nature. that if these cities shut down that. would be a terrifying experience the. Mercedes won't start the Wi-Fi don't. come on uh you can't run down to. Starbucks and all of a sudden you can't. go to the market or call Uber Eats to. deliver you Sushi or your favorite pizza. you got to walk to where the an now you. got to walk you you you and you have no.

skill set yes I sometimes but guess what. I've gotten pretty good at the cities I. know how to work these apps I can grab. me an Uber I can grab I can go talk to. somebody or I can Google and say man I'm. gonna walk down here to this steakhous. ton you can certainly navigate their. world a whole lot better than they can. navigate yours the world that me and you. love the most is is hard to navigate for. some people and I think they're starting. to realize it and I really notic long. learning curve it takes forever and. there's a piece I I I told somebody a. while back I said man I'm going to tell. you when you become a hunter and you.

understand it and you become simple um. all the financial situations you might. gain money's nice I I agree that it. don't necessarily bring you happiness it. is great to be able to have the money to. do those things we talked about just. eating or maybe it is that 70 chevel. that's like I've always wanted and I and. you can buy it um but at the end of the. day there's a peace comes to know that. that I could potentially lose it all but. if I got my wife and my kids and I got. this bow and arrow I might actually gain. a little bit cuz now there there's no I. I got peace and Tranquility I got a.

certain Stillness that is more valuable. than anything I could find at the Rave. or in the middle of the city uh and so. I've often told people even if you love. The City Life which um what people might. not realize I love the city of life it's. so fun to visit but that's just it I. want to visit I'm ready to get back out. like the L of things I could do in. Austin there's a million things my. mind's going wide open like man I'd love. to go over to the comedy club well I'd. love go man I heard the steakouse is. great I got they got this they got that. this place got the best martinis and. this cigar bar but once I do all that.

I'm ready to go back to the campfire. here in Whipple wheels and kyotes how. and like you ain't going to believe and. I'm puffing on me a Fuente cigar like. you ain't going to believe this. Steakhouse that Joe told me about it's. Heaven it's Heaven well I think Michael. one of the things that people really. enjoy about you and I've enjoyed talking. to you you have a genuine gratitude. towards life you know it's it's. infectious it's it's real and uh I think. uh appreciation for this beautiful.

chaotic world that we live in is uh it's. a it's a virtuous thing it's a very. important thing well that means a lot. and and to be able to to see that it it. means is more to me than anything. because I do I mean I I I don't even. know how and and why sometimes I ask. myself and uh I mean like I said I I. just been so blessed and it's been. amazing the people I've met and learned. so much um I mean it's just I I don't. know how it happened going back to that. thought in my Grandmama's living room.

like what are you doing boy you know. it's like you got a brand new flaring. kit that's also one of the reasons why. it's so cool it worked out that way it. wasn't like it was all easily planned. out and just a natural path for you to. go down no did did you have much of that. Joe like obviously growing up where you. did and I mean you've I mean same. amazing opportunity you had so many cool. things has happened but did you ever. have any people like what is what's Joe. doing oh yeah everyone my parents for. sure you going to be a comedian yeah.

what the [ __ ] are you doing like you're. not even. funny they didn't want me to fight when. I started fighting they're like you're. going to get hurt they didn't want me to. do comedy because I was good at fighting. they're like why don't you stick with. that it was just no matter what there's. always going to be people that doubt you. especially if you want to do something. that's highrisk low probability of. success us you know it it made me dig. deep cuz I think of that and and and. reason I ask you that is because that. experience I had with my family it was. kind of mindboggling because I thought. they would see it as I did and I think.

there's a difference in perception uh or. the way we perceive things in the true. reality possibly because you got to. sometimes bring yourself out and look. back in from their point of view and I. learned it as I become a parent because. now I got kids and they're wan to do. something I Got a Boy Mason he just he. moved to Charleston South Carolina and. all of a sudden I become a Grandmama in. my mind I got. hey when I get. back chrisy we going to have some. cornbread and collar greens and fried. chicken I want to come back and tell you. cuz he listens to every episode my son. McCoy M all of them so in my mind I got.

him pictured living a little old house. right there around the farm well he bus. and moves to Charleston South Carolina. I'm like what are you. doing are you on crack and you tell me. are you what are you do it and um and it. hit me it's like man I'm being my. grandama I'm being Uncle Tommy and the. reason they was that way and same with. your parents they love people love us so. much that they don't want us to fail and. I think inevitably we can fail people as. felt the people we love the most because. we want to keep them safe yes I don't.

want my you know I know it's a world. where a wife a woman can go out there. and cut wood I don't want my damn wife. cutting wood I'll cut the wood let me. get the calluses I don't want my wife. going to the door uh you know if a. villain's at night I'm not saying she. couldn't shoot more better than me I. don't know but at the end of the day I. love her enough I don't want her hurt I. want my kids to fail but in reality why. not somebody's got to do these small. percentiles somebody got to be a Michael. Jordan yeah how did Michael Jordan what. was his somebody say you can't make a. living you know I'm sure somebody and so.

I think we want to put everybody in a. safe spot and if you think about it if. 80% or 90% of people can do these things. well guess what go try the 10 20% if you. fail jump back into the 80 90% And you. can at least say you tried yeah at least. say I tried to make somebody laugh on a. stage at least say I tried to sell a Hoy. bow and enough to make money and they'd. give me a percentage of of something or. have my name on a bat I don't know you. can at least try it I don't think it. makes you arrogant are are overzealously. confident it's just why not well I think.

there's people that are afraid to try. that will try to attack you for trying. yeah there's that there's crabs in a. bucket you know there's that there's. people that don't want someone to take a. risk and succeed because they never took. a risk and they they don't want to. confront themselves with that thought. they don't want to be confronted with. the reality of what they've done with. their life like maybe they did have a. dream maybe they did want to be like. Luke Bryan maybe they did wanted to be. on stage singing maybe they did wanted. to you know they wanted to do something.

extraordinary and they never really took. the chance and so when they see you. taking the chance they want to fill you. with doubt they do it's a unnecessary. and unfortunate aspect of human nature I. I see that and I feel that from time to. time but it makes you appreciate the. people that encourage people more it. really does and and um I i' I texted. several people all the time especially. when I think about it people along the. way who said hey hey buddy let me pull. you back stay away from this stuff but. you're you know you're special in this. you go do this and keep doing this man. people don't realize what that that.

means you know I think about I think. about that street person is like just I. mean literally me in the right mood. especially with this young lady right. there I'd have wanted to hit him and I. don't know mix marshal arts but I know a. God dang haym maker and he didn't see it. coming and um I mean he was calling this. girl all kind of names and you you mfers. y'all and all it took was me say hey bro. I'm on your side and immediately he was. just like he just wanted to be heard and. maybe that's it maybe I don't know and.

and I think people just get tired of. being outcasts you know people want. Community they they really do they want. friends they want it's like you were. saying before that like the. relationships you make in this life. that's the real trophy it is and and. that's the one thing I. guess the last thing I'd want to leave. about the hunting community and I I. think you felt it just from people. you've seen or maybe researched and like. camman said he said man you don't find a. better student than Joe he said he knows. more about broadheads than the companies. themselves he researches this stuff he. knows the uh geometry of bows and Brace.

Heights he so dig deep he said he just. he loves it and I and it made me feel so. good to know that you're that deep into. it and um but when you start looking at. so many of of of these things that's out. there for us what I find about The. Hunting Community it is a community of. people that welcomes all it doesn't. matter and they want you to learn and. they're so appreciative that you might. would just take a look into this culture. that sometimes can be criticized that. sometime be judged and think we're. barbaric or we're hillbilly or.

uneducated or or just ruthless and uh. and what you'll find is there is a part. of that that with diff dipping into. nature mother nature you have to kind of. become an animal with that and be like. the bear like the Predator you are a. killer you have to come to full draw to. feed your family but it's so welcoming. and I've never seen anybody alienized. I've never seen anybody that I've. thought that was a solid person within. the industry and are just people around. my house that wouldn't bring you in feed.

you and say come on let me show you what. this is about boy or young lady and uh. I'm proud of that and I'm confident and. I know that there's nobody even the. people that might talk bad about them. they're going to treat them good and um. I remember I uh one thing that was epic. that happened Joe and it hit me pretty. hard uh my my daughter Addie had asked. me said you know Dad what would what in. a situation if we're at school and. there's something bad happening you know. was talking about some of the school. shootings and I saw we just had one I'm.

like what should I do and I was like was. there any kind of mandate or what you. should do and they said well they say do. this this and this hide under your desk. and sit there and waiting they lock the. doors I said well I'm about to go. against protocol Addie I said and I knew. her school they had these outside doors. that went out and quickly there in. Harris County Georgia it goes off into. the Wilderness you know matter of fact. my farm is right across from the high. school and um I said Addy I tell you. what I want you to do if if something. goes a I said you know you've hunted. with me a lot and you understand you. know how to hide and slip around and.

stuff like that I said if something. happens and you can see that exit door. and you can get out and you can hit the. woods I want you to go right then don't. wait around I want you to go figure out. the situation like if a bear is coming. in the tent you get out the tent and get. up the tree or what you got to do and I. said but here's what I want you to do I. said you go and I ain't never told you. to judge somebody cuz I don't believe in. judging a book by the cover I don't I I. don't believe in that but I said but in. this case in this adverse moment you go. out and you find a a beat up old.

Chevrolet truck it's got an NRA sticker. on it maybe a beat up minivan with a mom. riding around with some uh you know. maybe it is that old 70 chevil cuz that. guy appreciates good cars and you jump. out and you stop him it's going to be a. complete stranger but I want you to pick. out that person I said you know you and. and find out and I said if you find. somebody with a four-wheel drive truck. that you know it probably resembles your. granddaddy or or me or or Nick mut and. all these guys you jump in there they.

gonna have a little snack they. definitely going to have a gun in there. and you tell them what happened they. will protect you until they can find me. and when I thought about that I was dead. serious but then I thought that goes. beyond my daughter anybody it wouldn't. matter if you was Muslim Christian or. goth or whatever if you did that in the. country somebody's going to stop and say. hey man what what's going on they going. quickly evaluate it and I'm not saying. everybody won't I think most people has. that opportunity but if you raise around. that culture to where you're ready to. help and you're ready to assist love is. so deep and uh and and the nature and.

the human nature is to protect and to to. make sure this person is doing good even. if they don't align in thought process. uh and so I'm proud to come from that. and and and and that's probably my. biggest Joy whether it's taking a a Jim. Brewer or a Theo is when they see it. that's that's always even if they don't. get something they're like man this was. cool this is fun there's some good folks. a little scared of. y'all little scared of y'all and Theo. and all of said man something happens. I'm coming to your house W and Kayla.

press was at this little Funk he said W. my wife his fiance I don't think he. married said my wife said hey if. something happens we're going to Michael. W's house he said you don't even know. where he. lives she said well I'm still going. there and um so anyway that that's just. a that's just cool I'm I'm proud of that. and that ain't that ain't anything to do. with me that's just it's a culture it's. such an. amazing share that Michael I really. enjoyed talking to you man thank you. very much for it was a lot of fun thank. you man tell everybody what your social.

media is where they could find your your. hunts online all oh yeah um obviously uh. bone collector.com at we're on Instagram. at official Bone Collector I think it is. and then uh there's a Michael WL page. there's there's a Bone Collector page. and heck I'm on Tik Tok so yeah all. right I'm dancing over there too so I'm. on everything it's China spying on me. too but anyway thank you Joe been a fan. a long time appreciate it was a lot of. fun thank you very much all right bye. everybody.

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