Joe Rogan Experience #2246 - James Fox

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day it's a very good time to have a uo. UFO expert in a lot has been going. on this is it you know I had um I know. you ran into him I had Ryan Graves on. yesterday oh my God I'll tell you the. funny story of how I ran into him you. ran into him in the lobby of the hotel. right so the lobby told me they all. don't use this one elevator it's really.

rickety and it makes a lot of noise and. it's just it's not very reliable and. just don't use it so I didn't and then I. was leaving 24 hours later to come down. and get some coffee and I was like ah. [ __ ] it let me take the rickety elevator. I was like they told me not to take it. but I'm going to take it anyway so I. push the button I'm standing there I. hear. this the doors open I look I see this. shadowy figure in the corner I'm like. Ryan Graves what are you doing he goes I. don't know what are you. doing like I was like are you doing what. I think you're doing he goes yeah.

yeah did he tell you that did he tell. you yes he did he told me Rand into you. he didn't tell me the whole story about. the rickety yeah yeah and he was like. the shadowy figure up against the corner. like kind of just you know looking at. him he's looking at me it was really. funny we had a lot of we talked a lot of. nonsense about uh aliens but we also. talked about the technology that he. knows is state-of-the-art when it comes. to drones yes and that some of these. ones in New Jersey they're doing things. that you can't really do yet yes yeah. which is really fascinating it's like.

okay and the size of SUVs right so is it. ours and we somehow or another have some. stuff that the mainstream drone. manufacturers at the highest level. aren't aware of yet is it ours is like. some crazy military stuff cuz if it's. not and it's coming from the ocean like. what do you mean it's coming what the. [ __ ] do 50 of them what do you mean what. do you mean 50 Suburban sized so check. this out this are coming.

this is really funny I've been working. with this guy uh we've been. communicating on a signal for a long. time actually he was through proton he. was emailing me stuff about Virginia the. the UFO crash in Virginia and uh but he. was. Anonymous one day uh I was like he's. really knowledgeable and he was sending. me stuff that was really helpful like. you should track down this flight CU if. it happened it was going out of this. airport go to this base and I was like. finally one day I was like who are you. and how do you know what you know he. goes I'm a retired United States Air. Force Colonel I was like oh and he goes.

and I'm also an experienced her I had an. experience back in 1980 blah blah blah. oh so what happened to him he had a UFO. encounter it's in the movie towards the. end but anyway he texted me yesterday. and he. goes James I really want you to explain. to me how the hell you orchestrated a UF. UAP Invasion right around the time your. film's coming out I was like I'd really. like to know how you did that I was like. I know I could bro do you know what kind. of a budget you would have to have to. have drones running in the sky all over.

how many different cities are reporting. it now like what's the numbers it's. exploding all over all over the place. and it's getting M I've heard California. I've heard Europe now bases in England. New York New Jersey I've heard uh San. Diego um I I definitely wasn't there. something in Ohio right right Patterson. Air Force Base they had to shut that. place down yeah that's Ohio so I've. heard New Jersey uh I think Florida. right that was the one that Ryan Graves. showed us a photo of that was from. Florida so like who [ __ ] what how.

what's going on who [ __ ] knows I was. super busy you know I had the release of. the film going on and so I was like. trying to focus on that and getting. everything lined up and it was a huge. push and all these text messages from. all around the world are pouring in like. what the hell's going on with these. drones and I was like ah it's probably. something conventional I'm not going to. worry about it right now I was going to. keep on focusing what I got what I got. at hand here and then I started getting. more information coming in more. information then a buddy of mine called. me and he actually went to Brazil with. me a couple years ago and he's bro I.

live here I'm seeing these things in the. sky I've seen them seven times now. they're the size of an SUV I was like. well what do they look like what do they. behave like he's like well they're. making noise I was like oh okay well. that quickly kind of eliminates you know. something non-conventional in terms of. propulsion but then I got reports of. objects it didn't make any noise and it. would go silent say what kind of noise. it was making like a like a uh like a. like a like a propellers drones would. make but loud and they're and they have. yeah and they have a loer but they're. big and they have a loer Time hours the.

average drone like I fly drones for my. films is like you're lucky to get 25. minutes these things are there for hours. yeah 5 hours at a time they go dark when. they're approached by other other. objects they're not getting picked up on. Fleer at times and then some of them. make have no noise I've heard Crescent. shaped and then I heard about the ones. that really got me because I contacted. Christopher melon I was like Chris what. is going on buddy I really rely on him. for good information and he's like I. really don't know man it's a real [ __ ]. show and the US government seems to be.

clueless right now he goes some of them. are conventional some of them are. misidentified conventional crap but. there are other ones coming in off the. ocean that were up to 50 the Coast Guard. and police department are reporting that. truly remain a mystery and then you had. Schumer at a press conference just like. it was yesterday and then he's going. he's like we don't know what they are we. don't know what they are and the guy. goes yeah so it's a UAP he goes well the. drones he goes well you wrote the. legislation it's a UAP it's unidentified. anomalous phenomenon why don't you just. use UAP I think they using the word. drone because U U AP is almost too scary.

like some kind of invasions happening. that's what UAP is unidentified. anomalous phenomenon yeah so couldn't. that be kind of anything doesn't even. mean flying toally well that's the thing. because it used to be unidentified. aerial well it was UFO unidentified. flying object then it was UAP. unidentified aerial phenomenon but then. they're coming out of the water right I. feel like this is non anal why don't. they just keep using UFO because it has. because people associate UFO with other. worldly and they they wanted to take. that remove that baggage and make it a.

little less scary that's my personal. opinion I kind of get that but also it's. just unidentified flying object if we. find out what it is then it becomes an. identified flying object it doesn't. necessarily mean it's alien true but. right like think think of people. probably jump jumping out of their. Windows right now if they said UFOs are. invading the East Coast you remember. world the world back right people were. like jump true that's a good point. that's actually a very good point so I. think they tow it out I think they're. using the word drone even though they're. identify just because of the Fear Factor.

I think the Fear Factor is real yeah I I. can't help but cringe when I hear that. word oh sorry I the fear element it's so. funny too it was too much of a part of. my life too close to home um so when did. they start like what was uh when was it. acknowledged that this was an issue that. was reoccurring recently like you know. obviously there's always been something. in the sky people have always seen. things who knows what they are whether. or not they're you a lot of people see. starlink and they think it's OS right. yeah of course but when did this drone.

thing that we're currently experiencing. basically every day when did it start a. couple weeks ago maybe a maybe a month. ago that's when I started really hearing. about it but Jamie is there like um any. sort of official answer to that I have. something that 20th 19th something like. that mid November mid November this. episode is brought to you by gopuff does. grocery shopping drive you nuts the. lines and the chaos and the inflated. price.

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and this is not an anonymous but this is. about incursions over listen to this I. promised this individual that I met at. Soul conference he's a witness he's a. military guy my name is Jeffrey nelli I. served 16 years in the United States Air. Force as a technical sergeant and a. military police. officer in October 2003 my co-workers. and I witnessed a series of. extraordinary UAP incursions at. Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.

the initial event is known as the. Vandenberg red square and was first. mentioned during the historic UAP. hearing UAP hearing held in. 2023 the case involved Boeing. contractors who witnessed a huge Red. Square shaped object roughly the size of. a football field hovering over a missile. defense system the object was silent and. had no visible means of propulsion the. contractors watched in amazement as the. massive object slowly dri shed East and.

vanished over the hills I retained. official Air Force records of the event. including the blot form entry which. includes the names and contact. information of all the witnesses and. provided it to select members of. Congress arrow and the FBI arrow is a. new UAP task force um all domain. anomalous resolution office after the. initial event several other UAP. incursions took place at Vandenburg I. was on du during many of the encounters.

and I investigated the incidents as they. unfolded now remember this is not. Anonymous reporting. here they include a football football. field siiz craft that terrified security. guards as it silen hovered over a bunch. a launch facility be before flying off. at an unbelievable rate of speed a. brightly illuminated silent object that. landed on the base flight line before. accelerating instantaneously and. disappearing into space a huge. triangular-shaped craft larger than a.

C130 that hovered 50 ft over a police. officer before it drifted slowly over. the base a blue white liquid orb roughly. the size of his house that hovered over. his house on the base the objects made. no sound and had zero obvious means of. propulsion and he says my experiences. with UAP were all inspiring exciting and. terrifying I don't know why UAP are. flying over our bases and our. neighborhoods but do know the UAP.

phenomenon is of the utmost importance. to all of humanity I currently have five. other military witnesses to the venberg. incursions that are all willing to. testify tomorrow under oath that these. statements are true we need answers to. this mystery and better government. transparency thank you for the. opportunity to share my story former. United States Air Force technical. sergeant and witness Jeff nelli whoa. crazy right I mean we're talking object. size of a football field that's bananas.

and then they take off in insanely fast. just like the Tic Tac straight up into. space so this was it what what was the. exact date of this this was 2003 there. was a number of incursions during that. year up all the way into 2005 and he has. the names and they submitted it to the. new head of Arrow that's interesting. because that that coincides with a Tic. Tac it does coincide with a TI I wonder. if there's like you know vacation season. you know it's like every few years let's. go check out what those guys. you know what I mean maybe it's like a.

real pain in the ass to get here maybe. it's one of those things like you can go. to Australia but it's dude it's a pain. in the ass it's 16 [ __ ] hours on a. plane it's a long flight oh my gosh I. went to South Africa one time and that. was like 22 hours I was like the plane's. going to run out of gas that's exactly. what I'm saying it's like one of those. things it's like you can do it but it's. a pain in the ass so maybe they only. travel to Earth every now and again how. could these incursions have been taking. place and like here we are 20 years. later and we're only now really starting. to talk about them I think the reason.

being is if you don't understand it and. you can't protect people from it because. it's so beyond our capabilities that if. just describing it accurately removes. all confidence that our government has. everything under control that's one one. reason why and also if you have no. answers you don't know what the hell it. is like a very good point if you don't. know what the hell it is what are you. even going to say hey there's something. that came we don't know what the [ __ ] it. is it's as big as a football field shot. off into the guy we have no idea they'd. be like you mean we have no idea hire.

someone who understands this and then. they'd be like fire him get him out of. office I remember like 20 years ago. bright-eyed bushy tailed totally naive. still Bri I mean still still naive but I. was meeting with a general and I said. God it would be so amazing you know this. story is like so unifying and we have. this Kumbaya moment and we discover that. you know we're not alone in the universe. and wouldn't that be amazing and blah. blah blah the implications for all of. humanity and he sat there almost. chuckling at me. yeah and he goes looked at me and he.

goes you got it all wrong man you don't. you got to see this through our lens and. I was like through your lens he goes. yeah the military's perspective I was. like okay tell me and I never thought. about this before you just mentioned it. he goes okay imagine this scenario we. sit there and we say you know my fellow. Americans it has been brought to our. attention that there are craft of. Unknown Origin whizzing around with. impunity in our airspace they exhibit a. technology that's Lightyear's. advancement anything that we have we.

don't know who they are where they come. from what they want shall they turn to. be hostile we have no visible means of. defense against them thank you and good. night you're fired you're fired you're. fired and it someone like Trump will. come along I'll make a deal with the. aliens but do you see that predicament. like people always go why the secrecy. duh yeah you have to have secrecy. because you got to imagine the job of a. politician in general right like you. have to pretend that you're going to be. able to handle situations that you well. know you're not going to be able to. handle yeah you know if you're running.

for president you know you're not going. to fix this economy all right stop just. stop everything's going to be I'm going. to wave the magic wand and it's all. going to be taken care of you know. you're not going to implement electric. cars over the stop stop shut the [ __ ] up. there's not enough batteries so you're. if you're lying about all that you're. probably going to lie about whether or. not you can handle the alien threat I. will unite us I will unite us as a. planet so we can deal together with the. aliens yes yeah let's do it all you have.

to do is just say some [ __ ] like. that someone probably bends his ear when. he gets into office and like yeah a good. speaker about that disclosure JD Vance. like a guy like that very bright young. energetic speaker he convince people he. could talk to the aliens he could. convince. people he can convince people that he. can unite us all have you have you seen. the program no I have not okay so there. is explain it to everybody okay so the. program basically it's funny because the. last time I was on the show. we were talking about an alleged crash.

retrieval case that took place in. Virginia Brazil yes in 1996 and your. documentary on it which is yeah moment. of contact amazing amazing document so. we're talking about that and I I I came. off the hills of doing the phenomenon. which touched a little bit on a. potential crash retrieval program but. then it was like uh then it was the. crash retrieval over in Virginia Brazil. and then um I got hyperfocused on that. and then I had sort of was a personal. Journey for me was okay the elected. officials what do they know and when do.

they know it do we have a crash Ral. program that's what I set out to do and. then three months after I was on your. show in April of 2023 the highest level. Intel officer David grush testifies. under oath that there is a crash T. program and it the government does have. definitive proof that we're not alone so. he kind of opened the door for me and a. lot had happened since the release of. the of the phenomenon and moment of. contact there was all this legislation. there was the first congressional. hearing there was um uh behind closed.

doors meetings with a number of of Intel. officers and Witnesses and um and then. you had the second congressional hearing. which was David grush which was. absolutely phenomenal I'm sure you saw. that yeah right and then just recently. just a couple of months ago we had the. third Congressional hearing which I. actually funny enough got to attend it. was the first time in my 30 years. investigating I was actually sitting. behind people while they were testifying. under oath about legitimacy of the.

phenomenon as well as there's a crash. reval program I mean people have to. understand that feel like maybe these. things aren't happening fast. enough just a couple years ago they. didn't even admit that the phenomenon is. real now there's people testifying under. oath that we have a crash eval program. so drip drip drip things are happening. they're not putting the genie back in. the bottle do you wonder at all that. you're being mind [ __ ] do you wonder. at all this is a massive s and this is. all just to cover up some very Advanced.

American weapons technology I think it's. a very good question and here's why I. don't believe that because I have done. 30 years of field research right so I've. gone to China I've been to Russia I've. been to Australia and Africa South. America Canada Alaska all across Europe. United States and I've investigated. Close Encounters of the Third Kind and I. ask your audience don't take it from me. but the the United States Air Force. investigated and categorized Clos.

Encounters of the first second and third. kind right during their official. capacity Project Blue Project sign. project Grudge project great [ __ ]. movie by the way if you haven't seen it. folks close encs for the third time. probably the best Alien Invasion movie. of all time do heck has a cameo. appearance in that film did you know. that I had heard that I don't remember. who he was though but wasn't the French. guy didn't he he supposed to be ja Jac. Vala has a cameo well there's a guy. acting his part but actually Dr jayen. heinik who is the scientific adviser of.

the Project Blue Book all those years. for the Air Force actually has a camoo. appearance smoking a cigar during the. encounter and that's that's right that's. right that's right smoking a pipe. smoking a pipe and he a lot of the cases. write down to Richard D's face being. burned by the UFO those came directly. out of Project Blue Book files even the. description of what the entities looked. like Close Encounters again Close. Encounters of the Third Kind this is the. United States Air Force documenting this. stuff yeah and he and and he took it. directly out of project BL files and. made a movie out of it and as a little.

wink wink nudge nudge he has Dr heinik. have a cameo appearance in the movie you. know what uh most people don't know that. it's it's a fantastic movie too great. movie because it's a movie that's filled. with it's not like standard UFOs land. like there's some play going on there's. some weirdness to the way they interact. with us that sort of is much more. realistic in terms of like the things. that people experience they experience. interactions very strange interactions. and when they had those little orb like.

things that were flying around the movie. that's all straight out of like oh yeah. yeah oh 100% I remember I had a buddy of. mine who was a pilot over Europe in the. 70s and he used to come for family. dinners and he was always talking about. I was like yeah yeah yeah whatever and. then later we're all in when I started. getting interested in UFOs I was like. Michael tell me about that UFO ENC you. had that Red Orb goes it was just like. it was in the Close Encounters of the. Third Kind stepen spb's movie I was like. ah they took those files directly out of. project BL files and right onto the big. screen that's what the food Fighters. were right yeah food Fighters too little.

orbs yeah little orbs fighter pilots are. flying around they're seeing these. things with them let me ask you um and. this is why that I don't think it's a. scop thing because I don't think it's a. SC up either well the reason why I don't. is because okay I don't just believe. grush because he testified under oath. and he's a high level intelligence. officer that's very impressive I believe. grush because his claims align with my. personal research in the field remember. I've investigated crash retrieval. programs crash retrieval cases right and.

so I was I mean I when I put out moment. of contact well actually when I went. into to put out moment of contact people. were. going James you just dropped one of the. biggest most successful UFO films in. terms of transcending the UFO community. and penetrating a much broader more. mainstream audience are you sure you. want to put out a documentary that deals. with an alleged crash in live aliens. walking around the town of Virginia. Brazil like seriously that's what you. want to put out there you you got access.

to Like Larry Harry Reid and all these. Intel insiders and now you want to do. that you're going to tarnish your. reputation it's a bad who gave you that. advice a lot of people did they were I. wish you called me well I like James you. can handle it you probably heard about. moment of contact and then you thought. yeah this sounds too crazy and EV you. watched it no I thought um well I always. think a crash and contact sounds crazy. it does I always think that but I would. have never told you not to do it oh okay. I would have never told you you're. really good at this you know like you're.

really good at like explaining you look. half the town talking about including. the May that's an incredible story it's. an incredible story it's a phenomenal. story it's one of those stories where. you're like if everybody's in on this. this is crazy if everybody's telling and. no one there's not one contrarian that. comes out and goes they all told me to. lie I'm not [ __ ] lying this is stupid. they're doing it for tourism not one. person come on there's always some hater. there's always some hater wants to ruin. your gag I remember you know what I mean. no I told you I remember when was making. moment of contact and it wasn't done.

with it yet Lou alzando was like he's. like James he called me up he goes I. need a copy I was like the film's not. done I don't care I need a copy give me. a rough gut I don't care I was like okay. okay what's the urgency and he's like. you don't understand who's watching this. right now so I was like okay so I'm. giving him copies and I had absolutely. no idea ever in a 100 million years that. I think we're going to be having months. after the release of moment of contact a. congressional hearing under oath that. was there a crash what year did moment.

of contact come out it came out at the. end of 2022 do you think Biden watched. it do you think he sat down with. Biden that would have been wild you know. he's been he's been so dismissive of it. all like you know Obama said a lot more. about it you know why CU he's already in. space he's in space right now he's like. go talk to Orit right now around that's. the best you can do he's like Dr. Manhattan he's on the moon in a glass. house okay let's say if Biden if you're. listening right now you have nothing to. lose you're the president of the United.

States sir release the hounds he's never. running ever again he's not running for. a second term you're it's come on we're. done he's already pardoned more human. beings than any President E ever other. than Carter list to the advice at the. end of the program Yeah by Senator Harry. Reid who's now the the late Senator. Harry Reid and I said to him what advice. would you give the president it could. have been any president at the time and. he said don't be afraid of tarnishing. your legacy by addressing this issue.

headon and I hope that Biden gets to see. that and I really hope that. president-elect Donald Trump gets to see. that people are ready for the truth. they've had enough of the line I think. we're Way Beyond that at this point I. agree with you however when I confronted. Mr Trump he was very kg was he really. very K I've seen some things they told. me some things he didn't tell me [ __ ] he. basically it was basically like neither. confir confirmed nor Deni no there was. no eyes I don't do that [ __ ] especially.

to a pro like Donald Trump like you're. not yeah yeah you're going to do it to. an actor or something shut up know what. the [ __ ] they think Daniel de Lewis told. you that he just ate a baby you'd. [ __ ] believe him you know what I mean. you know what I mean like this idea that. like what did his eyes tell you what did. his eyes it depends on the person. depends on the person if it's your. regular crackpot and they tell you a lie. like something's up but there's people. that can hide things they can hide. things behind their eyes I think he. knows something I don't think he's that.

interested I think he's more interest I. think he's like sort of a non-nonsense. type of guy that's this is why you kind. of have to be to be managing multiple. businesses simultaneously right he's. always done that his whole career right. managed being on The Apprentice while. running these golf courses while having. these buildings apartment buildings. hotels he's constantly doing something. right yes so while he's doing all that. and he's playing golf while he's doing. all that there's there's no time for. [ __ ] alien man there's no time for. nonsense there's no time for sitting.

around with your buddies you know. smoking a cigar going what do you think. man I mean if they [ __ ] if I was them. man I would do what they're doing you. know I wouldn't even there's no time for. that nonsense talk that guy's got. businesses but we got objects of Unknown. Origin flying over residential areas. flying over military bases flying over. nuclear silos well now I think he's much. more interested because that's a matter. of National Security I mean people are. freaking out like what the hell are we. seeing and they're going we we don't. know what they are but everything's fine.

totally safe there's no there's no. national security issue here we don't. know what they are but you're fine don't. worry about you remember um what was the. Steven Spielberg movie with the shark. the great white shark yeah Jaws jaws. remember they're like everything's fine. a is like keep swimming yeah keep. swimming the water's fine everyone say. people are getting bit in half that's. the Perfect Analogy dude that is the. Perfect Analogy that is it everything's. fine go about your lives they're. definitely not sniffing drones come on.

nuke sniffing drones so what if some. nuclear material was just stolen off a. cargo ship whatever whatever guys all. the all the online conspiracy stuff is. is crazy and I get a lot of it because. obviously what I do and people s me all. kinds of stuff I was like well hang on a. second I wish I could put boots on the. ground but but no that's there's. something really weird going on and the. fact that they don't know or they're. claiming that they don't know what it is. and here's another really funny thing I. actually in the in the program that I.

did now and I hope you get a chance to. watch it cuz it's crazy it's got tell. people what it is okay so basically I. was talking to you about earlier tell. people the title the whole time it's. called the program it's going to be on. it's on it just came out it's at number. one right now it's on Amazon when did it. come out yesterday oh beautiful I know. uh so it came out yesterday it's on. Amazon it's on uh Apple TV and you can. Google the because the Alor Al. algorithms are just starting to catch up. with it on Google right now cuz. everyone's like I can't find it look up.

the program and then Google James Fox. UFO documentary the program you will. 100% find it it's being also made uh. available internationally they're. working as fast as they can to get it up. it just went up yesterday it's the most. independent film from start to finish. that I've ever made and it covers what. happened because everybody thinks the. government suddenly had this Epiphany. decide to be more transparent with the. general public that's not what happened. what happened is there were a couple of. intell insiders in the Pentagon. reviewing some of this classified data.

or so-called classified data and. resigned in protests of excessive. secrecy they found a loophole this is. Lou probably J Stratton I don't know for. sure definitely uh Chris melon and they. walked these evidence tapes out of the. Pentagon through this loophole they bent. the rules a little bit and onto the. front page of the New York Times right. so that happened and it got it was just. it was exploded you remember that mhm.

and uh since then there has been this. unprecedented Push by a bipartisan group. of lawmakers to find out what the. intelligence agencies know and when they. knew it and and so that started. happening behind the scenes right so it. was 2017 2018 2019 2020. 2021 uh and then in 2022 they're like. we're having a congressional hearing. Congressman Andre Carson I think he was. a wh conent but I'm not positive he put. on he spearheaded the first open.

Congressional hearing public open. Congressional hearing and in that. Congressional hearing they acknowledge. the fact that the phenomenon was real it. was slowly introduced that we were not. getting told the facts there was a. document that came out called Thea the. uh Wilson Davis memo and that was about. the discovery by former Dia guy Admiral. Wilson of the crash retrieval program. that was like maybe 20 20 plus years ago. and none of the names or anything in.

that document were redacted I cover that. memo in the film and then 2023 another. Congressional hearing this time it was. David grush talking about the crash. devil program it's been a steady. progression and so a lot has gone on. between 2017 in. 2024 and that is what this film does is. it covers behind the scenes effort. bipartisan a group of lawmakers effort. to find out what the intelligence. agencies really know. yeah and people that were you know and.

and in one of them it's there's an. encounter and I think I remember you. hearing about it cuz you wanted to get a. hold of David grush and so you contacted. me and I actually had a I actually had a. drone up in the air in England and I was. I know and I had I had my phone attached. to my drone thing cuz that's what was. using as a controller for the screen and. I'm flying the Drone and there was a. huge Windmill and I saw this Windmill. and I was like that's going to make a. beautiful shot for the movie and it is. in the movie so I'm up there flying it. and the wind the the the the turbines. are going round and round and I can't.

quite tell how close my drone is to them. so I'm paying really good attention and. I'm getting close to these big turbines. and all of a sudden my phone's ringing. and it's you I'm like oh my God I I. can't not answer this I got to answer so. I answered it while my drum was up there. oh no and we talked briefly and you said. hey can you get me in touch with with. David grush I said yeah I got a guy that. can put you in touch with that was Jason. Sans and I guess you and Jason Sans. talked about this alleged encounter in. 1994 with this entity alien whatever you. want to call them in the desert yes so.

that was crazy story crazy story but in. any case so when you watch the movie in. the program you'll see the Drone flying. dangerously close to these and that's. funny little inside thing didn't crash. but I was on the phone with you when it. happened but when you watch the footage. it's like wow that's really close is. that guy public with that story he well. so because otherwise I would discuss it. yeah yeah uh cuz it sounded so nutty no. no yeah okay so here's what happened. this is funny because um when I was in.

Washington DC with melon and and this. gentleman Jason Sans I'm using his name. now and melon looked at me and he goes. this guy's story is pretty wild I was. like what do you mean he goes really. wild and we're sitting down having. dinner and Chris melon orders he orders. a uh uh he orders a drink he he had a um. tequila so whatever anyway and we were. all having dinner and and uh Jason sand. starts telling the story about this. alleged encounter in 1994 and it's one.

of the craziest stories and I've been. doing this for 30 years and this story. is nuts okay you remember oh yeah so. yeah he I went like this to my phone he. was telling to me like this one yeah me. too yeah yeah yeah me too so was one of. those wait wait what the [ __ ] did you. just say insane okay so tell everybody. said I will I'll get to that in one. second this is the reason why I can well. look there's the reason why I can. discuss it publicly I know the reason. why I can discuss it publicly is because. he was going to appear anonymously in. the movie and I was debating on exactly.

how to go about doing this because I was. torn because you got a statement from an. individual you don't have his identity. but hey I was in DC I put the whole. thing down and I said look if he was. worried about his security he was a. whistleblower he' already testified to a. number of of Senate Intel committee. Senate armed service committee and um. all about the UFO phenomen yeah about. the UFO phenomen they they're part of. the UFO U task force they found him and. they he was giving them information and. rep on and um so he he goes I'm really.

fearful I don't know if this Witness. Protection Program is going to be that. helpful I'm just I'm worried I said look. if you're concerned about the story. getting out or not getting out if you. want I'm here you can come to our studio. we could film you on camera and if. anything happens to you it could be. released and it could be a little. insurance policy for yourself he goes. that sounds great let's do it so I did a. whole film about it and then I'm. periodically posting Clips or or just. skill frames and updates on the movie as. I'm making it as I do on social media. and I posted this one scene and it had a.

clipboard on it in the scene and on that. clipboard if you zoomed right in it had. his name so I posted the by accident I. posted the damn thing and my phone. starts blowing up 10 minutes later you. just revealed this this guy what are you. doing take it down take it down take it. down too late too late so it was out. there and he's getting all kinds of. heat so as a result of it I'm giving the. truncated version he basically had to go. through the Doster process which is. basically pre-publication of. authorization of what you can and cannot.

say excuse me so he basically could talk. about a number of cases that were in the. film we had to blurp out one particular. word which in the movie It's blurred out. we had to do that that was that was doer. so it was the winter of. 1994 there was uh a unidentified flying. object that was picked up on the base. old school UFO oh yes sir it it was it. was a UFO it was picked up on the base.

and it was recorded by sensory data and. it was picked up on camera it had camera. footage of it from different locations. what it look like it looked like um was. weird shaped it was like unusual shape. and there's people talking about it's in. the. movie and uh the film is in the movie. The the film footage that leaked from. the bass is in the movie so you can see. what it looks like flying around kind of. yeah it's it's kind of blurry in some. spots and yeah you'll see it so uh it's. in the program it's in the program yeah. and then you hear all the voices I. actually had the voices cleaned up you.

can hear people talking about what the. hell is it is there a clip we could see. online just so I could CH what it looks. like um damn I'm sorry uh could you. maybe just say the actual name of the. incident maybe find it yeah try and find. it it's uh Nellis test range UFO 1994. see if you can find it people put stuff. up long and it's really bad yeah true. good point cuz it's on Amazon right now. people put Clips up so fast yeah that's. true yeah and there's other things on. there so in any case so that that that.

video bam there it is oh that's terrible. that's there's much better footage of it. yeah there's much better footage of it. it's in my movie I had it cleaned up but. yeah that's it basically can I see it. again so that's what it looked like wait. the footage I have is is way better than. this yeah that sometimes it's so so what. did it look Jesus Christ you know what. that looks like Jamie very weird shape. Jamie you know what that looks like that. looks like looks like teren Howard's. creation doesn't.

it it's weird what is it what does he. call that again but it was those things. that lock together those you know the. flying drone thing that he created the. Lynch pins Lynch pin yeah Terence Howard. created this uh fascinating concept for. uh like a drone where it's like. propellers going all these different. directions and they they sync up and. they link together and and um it looks. like that oh yeah so it's anyway so it's.

footage people talking about it what is. it we don't know it's not it's. unidentified and it flies around the. base and that leaked and the names of. the of the witnesses leaked 3 days later. can you expl but sorry to keep cutting. you off but could you to say what it did. like how it moved it just it it was like. it was didn't have any visible means of. propulsion it didn't have any Wings it. didn't have propellers it just looked. like a like an object a round sort of. object weird shape almost like a helmet. or something with things coming off of.

it and it was just moving around the. base and then nobody nobody slow slowly. at time oh footage okay that's it that's. exactly it yep it's definitely not a big. balloon and you hear no you hear. everybody talking about it the audio. that goes along with it and I had it. cleaned up is they're all talking like. nobody knows what it is and so uh this. is zoom is this why it's moving around. like that they're trying to keep it in. focus and it's all uh Mr Sans explains. all of that in in the film The Program. he talks about it so anyway so this.

leaks people's names the witnesses leaks. and um uh three days later he's in a. convoy excuse me Gazo tight he's in a. convoy and it's early in the morning and. there's three Jeeps trucks Jeeps uh in. Convoy on a dirt road heading out Nell's. test range and they see what looks like. maybe somebody was involved in a plane. crash there somebody that was struggling. out in the middle of the desert it was. early in the morning it you know winter.

time and they're looking at this. individual like oh my God is that a per. a person that that individual needs some. help that that individual looks like. they need some help they look cold they. skin had a slight blue tint to it and. they're looking at this gentleman and. they're like hey stop the Convoy this. person needs help medical attention. maybe they had a plane crash and so. we're going to help this person out and. uh they pull the they they pull the. Convoy over and this individ comes up. individual comes up to the car car Jason. SS get out gets out the right side of.

the door and as he's getting out. somebody in the truck screams he's got. no effing ears and Jason says he turns. around and he looks at this guy and he. had the same kind of uniform that they. had had on but the uniform was just. Immaculate like there wasn't any dust on. it no dust on the boots and he was. thinking to myself well that's weird. this guy's got no ears this guy some. kind of mutant and he looks at him and. he said his eyes were a lot bigger it's. all ill Illustrated in the movie and. then he starts talking like he said it.

was like a snake bite him and he was. just paralyzed with fear he was it was. really scary what am I looking at is. this a human is this a mutant is this an. alien what is this and I starts talking. to him in gibberish but he said he. started to understand like. telepathically everything this this. person and entity being creature alien. whatever you want to call it was saying. to him and he was looking for some kind. of. metal and he didn't know tenellum and. and Jason Z's like you know I don't know.

I don't have any you mean you mean uh. titanium he's like no t tillum or. something and this conversation goes on. for for a bit and then the guy just. wanders back off and gets into that. little craft that looked very similar to. what you just saw there and flies away. and he said he sort of stair stepped. away and everybody sort of came out of. this K State and off and off they went. and um we have the names of the other. milit witnesses that were on duty during. the encounter the alleged encounter.

people are going to criticize me because. I'm reporting on a close encounter of. the Third Kind but this Jason Sans says. he's willing to do a a a lie detector. test like public he's willing to testify. under oath that everything he's saying. is true we have a date we have a. location and we have the names of the. other on Duty Officers so what I'm. hoping is despite the level of criticism. I'm going to receive for reporting on. this is that other individuals that have. more information on this are going to be. inclined to come forward I also met with.

people in the Senate armed service. committee Senate select committee on. intelligence sorry in in the house and. they. said Jason Sans is who he says he is he. checks out he is named previously. classified or classified programs he's. he's identified the guy's legit his his. his credentials check out and so I opted. to go ahead and report on it with the. hope that uh more information will come. out on it listen man it's there's. nothing wrong with reporting on a story. like that there's been a bunch of them.

it's not a small number of these things. where people have experienced these. things and imagine if it's true if it's. true they're not all liars I can't. believe they're all liars yeah imag. imagine being that person who had that. experience and not have anybody believe. you not only that but it can actually. ruin your reputation and your career to. talk about this experience which is the. reality of it it's one of the things. that stifled discourse on this until I. think the New York Times really broke. the ice I think in 2017 when they.

published that all of a sudden serious. people who were unwilling to talk about. UFOs before just for the ridicule yeah. now you you've got the gimbal video the. go fast video you've got fighter pilots. Commander David fraver you've got these. people discussing these things openly. and like okay this seems like something. that a serious person can discuss now. and so then it's open but actually. meeting one and talking to it's like the. Virginia story like when I I told people. the the the cop picked it up and carried. in the car and the cop died some.

horrible bacterial infection that they. couldn't cure he was rubbing himself. down with rubbing alcohol according to. his family like he was like this greasy. stuff on my skin and he was rubbing. himself down and he had to stench smell. grease yeah and then I I interviewed the. doctors there's a couple of actually. going back to Brazil next month there. are a couple of forensic Pathologists. that are willing to come for that we're. going to cover kind of update the movie. and re-release but so it's an ongoing. investigation wouldn't that be the best. protection from an alien planet's. bacteria if you had the most vicious.

bacteria on the surface of your skin. right like imagine like if you go to. another planet and the way to mitigate. the effects of viruses and bacteria on. that planet is to have skin fluid that's. like unbelievably toxic like anything. that comes near you just gets cooked. yeah like a skunk right have have you. ever had a skunk oh yeah I had a skunk. got my dog once I I took out this guy's. garbage one time and he's like hey it's. in my it's in my garage and flipped up. the thing and Dro it in there so I like.

I was like kind of hung over I was we. had a party the night before and I went. out to the garbage can and I kind of. heard like some rustling in the garbage. can but I didn't really think anything. of it and I like lifted up the thing and. then I heard some rustling again so I. reached over and I put my head down. inside and the skunk just turned and got. me right in the face now I held my. breath I held my breath and I closed my. eyes at the last second and it went. right through me it penetrated my. molecules it was so powerful that it was. paralyzing absolutely paralyzing can you. imagine just a smell that's that's.

that's their way of defense is just the. stench that's just goes through your. goes through your body like just. paralyzes you that's crazy it's really. anyway it you got it in the mug huh I. got it right in the face wow how long. did it take before you didn't stink cuz. you. smell like how long that wait it was. several weeks yeah and I tried the I. tried the tomato and I tried the baking. soda and I I think they have special. soap now for just for skunks but when my. dog got. zapped she got zapped in like 1980 I.

think it was 1980 because I was living. in Jamaica plane and she went out in the. backyard and I think she thought that it. was our cat cuz we had a cat that was. black and white and she just ran right. up to that skunk and it took her right. right in the side of her body like she. tried to turn away but it got her all. over her body she was wet with skunk. spay oh God it was so nasty I had to. take her inside and I had to do it cuz. she was my dog though I was 13 I had to.

like cover her with tomato juice and. wash her down and she's still stunk the. whole house stunk that's so funny. because I was getting ready for a road. trip this a couple years ago and uh and. I I looked over and I was like did we. did we walk duke it was like 9:00 at. night we were exhausted we packed. everything up we had the car ready to go. for the next morning it's like did we. walk Duke you walk Duke take Duke our. dog so we I was like ah it's nine. o'clock I just let him outside and I. hear him. like and then he goes and I thought oh.

my God I just got eaten somebody he just. ate him I was like oh my gosh I ran out. there look for him and he comes running. in he jumps in bed covered in scun the. whole house like it was so so strong. it's unbelievable that smell is just. like it's so incredible and the way. someone explained this to me you know. like animals like blood hounds and bears. they have an insane sense of smell oh. God like 100,00 times stronger than ours. right but they can pick up parts per. million the way we pick up skunk really.

oh my God so think about that so if a. skunk gets hit by a car like a mile away. you can smell it have you ever driven. your car I don't know if it's a mile I. could drive over it and then my car. smells like it yeah if you're in the but. if you're in the neighborhood where a. skunk got something you could smell it. yeah for some strange reason it. permeates it like it carries more than. any other smell with dogs that's how. they smell everything they're like oh. Ros goes home you know like they can. smell things that you can't even imagine.

they could smell especially like a blood. hound and then a bear can smell like. what is a bear's like ability to smell. above a blood hound it's some something. something crazy my friend was uh sharks. in the in the ocean can sense blood for. miles away right miles miles insane. miles away they could smell blood miles. away God something I I remember look at. this 300 times look at this this is. crazy bears are s the best sense of. smell of any animal on Earth for example. average dog sense of smell is 100 times.

better than a hum a blood hound is 300. times better a bear sense of smell is. seven times than a blood hounds or 2,100. times better than a. humans unbelievable that's why they say. when you go camping put your food up in. a tree or something right oh 100% you. have to yeah you can't have the tent at. all oh when I was a kid we went camping. and the the bear broke open or cooler. wow yeah people just had regular coolers. back you have like a little cookie in. your pocket and be in bed and been your. T you're going to have you're going to. have an issue oh 100% yeah wow 100% I.

remember when I was a kid I went camping. and they were like don't have any food I. was like yeah whatever like that no no. no put that stuff and they were really. Adam I was like why are these guys. making such a funk the Bear's not going. to smell a cookie in my pocket like of. course they will they'll they'll look at. that like a wanton like look at that. soft outer layer and there's meat inside. of it they're going to look at that tent. like look gets trapped in there go the. meat is trapped in the tent this is. crazy go what was that one movie called. where they got the the the Grizzly Man. or something yeah Grizzly Man that's and.

they came and got him remember they he. thought he became one with the Grizzlies. and then he got eaten that's a very. complicated movie um that's a wner. Herzog film yeah wner Herzog yes it's a. really funny the camera was rolling and. they played sort of the camera was. rolling But the lens cap was on so there. was an audio so it's just audio that's. even worse the audio by the way folks. the audio you hear on the internet. that's fake oh it that's not the real. one the real audio wner hog told the. lady to destroy it destroy. no one should hear this so he heard it. yeah he heard it it's long you know.

because Bears don't kill you they eat. you you know like a salmon they don't. kill salmon they just put their paw down. and start pulling chunks off of it. that's what they do with people too. that's terrifying well they don't have. any Predators so uh they don't have to. kill things and then you know worry. about someone taking it from them you're. not taking [ __ ] from a bear terrifying. especially a grizzly bear you're not. taking [ __ ] from a bear unless you're a. bigger bear so like all the other. animals have to worry like Mountain. lines kill quick because wolves will.

steal from Mountain lines and apparently. in the areas where wolves have been. introduced it's actually become a. problem because mountain lions are. killing much more than they normally do. because mountain lions will kill like a. deer two deer a week something like that. and eat they eat two deer a week that's. a lot of meat well they're big you know. a big mountain line is you know 150 lbs. and they're they're it's a big cat their. cats are just they're obligate predator. all they eat is meat you know Bears will. eat a little berries they'll eat a bunch.

of [ __ ] not cats so the cats are uh. killing more because the Wolves scare. the cats off of the kill so if the cat's. on a kill and a bunch of wolves show up. the cat will just get the [ __ ] out of. there like [ __ ] this why cuz he feels. didn't want to defend himself against. the Wolves exactly cuz wolves hunting. packs so there might be 13 14 wolves and. one cat the cat will just get the [ __ ]. out of there cats run from dogs right. like they have a fear of like canines. and I think from wolves stealing their. food so like that's how they hunt cats.

the way they hunt them you have to tree. them because otherwise you're not going. to find if you find a mountain line by. tree them you have to get the the dogs. to bark them up a tree so they run up a. tree and then they shoot them when. they're in a tree yeah and they it. sounds cruel but listen they have to do. that to manage the populations if they. don't they start eating dogs they start. that's what you get in San Francisco. California still kills Mountain lines. they'll they kill as many mountain lines. as they would if they gave tags out to. people to kill them because you have to. kill certain numbers of them for.

depredation because they'll start. killing livestock they start killing. dogs in the Bay Area they the the. problem cats that they W up killing in. like San. Francisco half their diet was pets. really half their diet half their diet. was house cats cats dogs and cats that's. half their diet half of their diet so. you manage you know a 100 plus pound cat. and he's running around just eating dogs. you leave your dog in your backyard gone.

happens all the time wow it happened to. my dog really yeah my dog in Colorado. got eaten by Mountain line that happens. all oh God I feel so bad for my little. guy terrible not there to protect my. little fell you know one time I was I. was hiking up this mountain and I had my. son with me at the time and he was in. that little pouch you know that little. pouch that you put him in the front like. he was like probably like maybe two two. and a half and was hiking this mountain. pretty daily it's funny actually cuz. when I went up there without him I was.

like well this is why people hike with. weights on this feels amazing I could. run up this mountain but anyway I was. going to the mountain and I had my dog. my little little Duke and I had my my. son I'm walking up this mountain and uh. I come around this like go to left it's. it's a pretty exposed not too many trees. some bushes and it's a hot sunny day and. I see this leg of a deer like just fresh. kill with blood on the ground I was like. God damn what the hell's the hell looked. a wow that's fresh I was like huh I kind.

of keep going and come around the corner. and there's a long straightaway the hill. goes up like this and I see what looks. like a big like Greyhound dog kind of. like brown like brown kind of walking. kind of back and forth like this with a. tail and I was like man who the hell's. Greyhound is doing out of here like what. the hell is that's a mountain line I was. like holy [ __ ] and the mountain line. turns around and looked at me and I had. my kid I was like [ __ ] I so I grabbed my. dog and I turned around and I started.

running and I knew that I shouldn't be. running so I'm running going I shouldn't. be running I shouldn't be running I know. I shouldn't be running but I wanted to. get around the corner and get it out of. its light sign of light line of sight. and then I go I go well if he comes up. on me I'm GNA have to throw my dog I was. like I look at Duke and I if it comes. down to it Duke you're going to have to. take one for the team oh my God a. horrible Choice a horrible choice but I. had. son but I remember looking at and I was.

like looking at my dog going oh man this. is a horrible decision I have to make. but if it comes down to it I'm going to. have to sacrifice you buddy I love you. you know but it didn't come down to it. but I remember running going you're an. idiot James why are you running you're. not supposed to be running you can't run. well that's the problem with mountain. bikers they get Gau because when they. pass by a cat it's almost like rolling a. ball of yarn past a kitten oh they are. predators and they will they'll catch. bikes huh oh yeah they get people on. bikes yeah yeah that's happened a few. times they get people on bikes they get. joggers people on bikes they think.

you're running away from them could you. imagine what it was like to to be. running for your life having something. like that chase you yeah I can I mean it. hasn't happened to me but I've seen them. I've seen three of them in my lifetime. only one of them that scared the [ __ ]. out of me I saw one in Colorado I saw. one in uh Montesito uh like the Santa. Barber area it was small those are small. ones they were like 50 60 lbs and then I. saw one with a buddy of mine my friend. and I we spotted one under a tree that. was 30 yards away and we were in a truck.

and it made me [ __ ] my pants wow big. this one was really big this was a. mature male with a big pumpkin head and. huge forearms like a [ __ ] bodybuilder. it was freaky it was freaky to see. because you know it was first of all it. was dusk so the the sun was going down. and the lights of the truck even though. it wasn't quite Dark Yet the lights of. the truck were making his eyes glow oh. my God you can see him with the naked. eye but then I put my binoculars on and. so I've got these 10 power binoculars.

and I'm zoomed in on this thing's face. I'm like holy looks like he belongs in. Africa well he belonged right where he. was man we didn't belong. there hey let me tell you a really cool. story that's a UFO the best UFO picture. I think's ever taken do you have it can. I look at it or you tease me no no no. we're going to look for it uh okay so. can can you find the program trailer on. on here at all or yeah for sure all. right find the program trailer I'm going. to tell you about this is this the. trailer let's just watch the trailer. let's watch a story exposing a secret.

government program investigating. UFOs that story was kind of a catalyst. for a lot of things that have happened. since members of Congress started to ask. questions instruments report there is. something there there are flight. characteristics that we can't explain. uaps are unexplained it's true they need. to be. investigated here we are having a. hearing with where just a few years ago. we didn't even acknowledge that these. things were real do you believe that our.

government is in possession of uaps. absolutely based on interviewing over 40. Witnesses over four years you're telling. me people have come forward claiming. firsthand knowledge of craft of. non-human origin that's. correct we have sources who have. asserted not only that there have been. crashes but there have been crash. retrievals do we have the bodies of the. p who piloted this craft biologics came. with some of these recoveries.

yeah were they human or non-human. nonhuman I'm sitting here today because. the American people are being lied to we. are the American government and we are. open and we're going to be open about. this what has been revealed non-human. intelligence exists non-human. intelligence has been interacting with. humanity is only part of the story the. pressure on Pentagon the CIA are going. to have to answer the mail some are. risking everything have you had.

incidences that have caused you to be in. fear for your life yes personally to. uncover the rest what is being done to. verify the assertion that the US. government has spaceships of non-human. intelligence in their possession that. kind of Revelation unearths people's. beliefs I would go to jail to say things. that I've been exposed. to in the program. bro is that MC. Jagger was that other guy MC Jagger.

isn't he amazing that's Hal put off Hal. put off oh yeah know jagg doesn't look. like mcjagger that's Gary McKinnon he's. the biggest computer hacker in history. let me see what he looks like he almost. went to jail for. life because he was like I'm going to. find out what the government knows about. UFOs so he hacked into the systems NSA. CIA Dia like uh where is he yeah the oh. you want to see that really cool picture. the no in the the film yeah you go. towards the end yeah totally looks like.

that's really funny you should say that. because I totally I saw it I'm like wait. a minute that does look like a rock star. he is a rockstar in the UFO Community. it's coming up you'll have to you'll. have to pause it quickly when it when it. hits but Gary McKinnon took it upon. himself a computer hacker to find out if. the government had proof of alien. visitation and he spent a couple years. hacking systems and he found and he got. paid dirt there is that was it bro. that's that's MC Jagger do look like it.

does look like mger MC Jagger's in the. UFOs you should just like only show that. clip you know like they do in horror. movies where the mask is not that good. it's real quick yeah but so well I was. going to tell you there's a photograph. of a jet circulating can can I can I go. into a little bit of detail cuz. everyone's always worried about like. where's the good evidence where's the. good photograph show photograph again so. it's uh yeah there we go now this was a. lost photograph that was recovered. correct yeah yeah you know yeah I know. about this okay so I heard about this in. the late 90s tell everybody about it. okay so there was a guy Nick Pope who.

investigated was part of the UFO desk at. the ministry of Defense of England in. the late 90s mid to late 90s maybe as. late as early 2000s but in any case and. I was in I was interviewing him for a. number of my films I did a film called. out of the blue I know what I saw um. before I did the phenomenon and I uh I. asked him like hey man you were a part. of the UFO desk at the mod what was the. best case you ever saw and he goes oh. man 1990 he didn't give me this the the.

town it was calvine but he said Scotland. there were two poachers they called them. hikers but they were actually poaching. and just what made me think about this. when we were talking about animals. earlier and he said uh it was it was. late in the afternoon they were in a. place I now know it's called calvine and. uh they came up uh in this relatively. remote area I know because I hiked out. to the exact spot and it's in the movie. but and They Came Upon This diamond. shaped or disc-shaped object that was.

quite large that was hovering silently. really close I mean close and they were. scared to death and they were kind of. Hiding Out Underneath this tree and. they're looking at this thing what the. are we looking at and I was looking at. this thing as it silently hovering. remember this is 1990. okay and one of them had a. camera and just as he was considering. taking his camera out a military jet. came in turns out it was one of those uh.

Harrier jet they think it was a Harrier. jet and it came out into the scene and. it flew all the way around the disc and. as it did so the guy mustered up the. courage came out from under the tree and. he snapped five or six photographs of. this object suspended in the air and it. went so the disc is here and the plane. is flying around it's click click click. click click click and the reason why I. know this is because the individual who.

kept one of the prins thank you very. much Craig Lindsay RAF press officer and. thank you David Clark for uncovering. this because it's the most amazing. picture ever. and the two hotel workers in just. outside the town of calvine Scotland. came back and they were like telling. their co-workers oh my God we. encountered this thing we don't know. what it was so they go to the local. newspaper and they were like hey man we. just filmed something in the sky we got. got six prints of it they it was it was. it was 35mm film footage right and uh.

and they're going to go public with. their story two witnesses broad. daylight a UFO points of reference with. a military jet flying around five or six. prints that's pretty solid evidence. right so uh the local newspaper was like. uh they're about to go public with it. print print the story and they were like. well we need a statement from the RAF so. they contact the Press officer Lindsay. and they were like hey what do you make. of this UFO these guys took and the guy.

and Craig Lindsay goes I don't know what. you're talking about I I haven't seen. the picture you haven't seen it well let. me send you a print this is the new the. newspaper sends him a print big big. print like this the one you see today. and uh he's like holy [ __ ] the hell is. this he's R of press officer Craig. Lindsay and he's so he starts getting in. touch with the mod and he goes out and. he investigate this go talk to the. witness talked to the witnesses and they. were telling him and he goes well they. tell them what happened and he goes well.

what kind of noise did it make they say. it didn't make any noise no he goes no. noise that's impossible you know an. object that can hover like that in the. sky for that period of time we're. talking 34 years ago didn't make any. noise and uh the witness said no so he. was like holy sh this is crazy so he. takes a color xeroxing machine and he. sends it to the mod in London and he. says uh hey there's a case that you. might want to check you know you might. want to look into and here's a Xerox. which is really crappy it's just a it's.

just a scanned Xerox like a fax machine. over to mod he said he went from the. office where the Xerox machine was and. before he can get back to his office his. phone was ringing off the hook mod and. the mod basically stepped in took over. the the investigation they said you can. step down to Craig Lindsay he steps down. he keeps the print right he steps down. they take over witness is gone five or. six prints gone story killed.

right so 30 and we rumored about it. because Nick Popa talked about this case. in a book he wrote called uh open Skies. closed minds and then I talked to him. about it in late late 90s then I talked. to him about it again in the early 2000s. and I was like Nick especially in 2007 I. was like tell me about this Photograph. and he's like oh it was incredible we. had a big poster of it on the wall the. mod and I was like well where is it he. goes well I don't know I stepped down. I'm no longer at the at the UFO desk and. I said well they didn't just throw that.

away why don't you get in touch with the. people that were there and find out he's. like oh you know James I can't just make. those inquiries they we we killed the. story it was like you know so I was. incredibly frustrated so so discreetly. for over a 20-year period I was making. inquiries because I don't like letting. things go right I was like this picture. exists and bloody hell let's get this. one out there but the story went dark so. David Clark found Craig Lindsay and the. way he found Craig Lindsay the guy that. kept one of the prints is that he got a. he got a a a a Declassified government.

document out of the mod's office that. had redactions on it and one of the. things it said was n it was 1990 and. they said uh RAF press officer in. Scotland blacked out you know said that. blah blah blah blah blah and he's like. huh who was the RAF press officer in. 1990 in Scotland Craig Lindsay boom. contacts great Lindsay they started. communication going and then after like. much for redaction yeah so much for. redactions right and so this whole.

dialogue starts going there's you know. developing a and and then um he goes. well gosh I I might I guess I might have. one it turns out he he ended up keeping. one of those prints which he had and. that story broke probably two years ago. David Clark again I can't thank you. enough you deserve accolades for this. and so I flew to England I met with. David Clark and his crew the people that. did the analysis work then I went up to. Scotland I met with Craig Lindsay the r. press officer gave me the first and only. on camera interview about it what. astonished him about it the analysis.

work they did on it what the witnesses. said but we didn't have the witnesses. the people that took the photograph we. didn't have them but I was going to. report on this anyway just because wow. this is the picture that we've all been. waiting for this picture is phenomenal. but if you don't have Providence and you. don't have the background story on it it. could be AI it could be right could be a. hoax some people call it a reflection. not a reflection not a hoax. so I'm ending production of the program. and I get a text from David Clark and he.

goes something Big's about to happen and. I said what he goes just sit tight I. can't go public right now but something. Big's going to happen there's there's a. new development and this is just teases. well I'm coming out with it I promise. but he teased you he did tease me he did. tease me but I was like well I'm almost. done with the movie and if this is. something I can include in the movie. about the case please let me know so. long story short this guy Richard. Greaves who was one of the hotel Cooks. worked in the kitchen with the. photographers with the two witnesses. that took the photograph and Richard.

Greaves uh came forward on print But I. contacted David Clark I was like Hey can. this can I can you get me an interview. with this. guy so uh he kept putting it off putting. it off putting it off and then finally I. was like I didn't want to be I wanted to. be persistent but I didn't want to annoy. the guy to the point where he's going. like hey you know what [ __ ] you like. right you're you're being annoying you. know but I I got it right up to that. point right when I was like I was. rapping the movie the movie's done and I. want to get this movie out all the. people that participated wanted it out.

and then I finally sent him one final. text and I was like look I'm really. sorry to Pastor you and I know you're. probably really busy and I really. appreciate the fact that you even said. that you'll meet with me but that you'll. give me an interview and then probably. about 10 o'clock that night I'm in the. edit room buttoning the film up and all. of a sudden I get a phone call and he's. like I've just come out the pub I'm. ready to go I was like okay grab a. camera roll it let's record this and he. reveals that he knew the the witnesses.

he worked with them in the kitchen he. gave all the specifics he provided their. names and then he said that two or three. nights after two or three nights four. nights after they took that photograph. they were all in a cigarette break at. the hotel early evening pissing rain he. said a car rolled up there were three. guys in it a driver and two men in suits. in the back they roll up they come out. they say cigarette breaks over they pull. the two witnesses aside and they Grill. him and you got to hear it directly from. the horses M Richard greeves said that.

when they were all the people that were. not involved with the incident were told. to go back inside the hotel which they. did but they looked through the window. and they saw in the pissing rain he said. they were out there for 10 or 15 minutes. in the pissing rain and that these guys. uh they came back inside and they were. white as a he said he he he literally. goes um they uh they came back inside. they were white is a [ __ ] ghost and. uh which we all get a good laugh out of. but uh and then they started drinking. heavily and within a couple of weeks.

they vanished Without a Trace and. they've been gone ever since so we. report on this and yeah that's a that's. a replic that's a replica I it's way too. clear I was like is this that's a. replica from uh Nick Pope that he did it. for some series talking about it and. that was before the real photograph was. found and print let's see the real. photograph yeah show the real photograph. again I got it in there it is yep okay. so what was he doing show the fake one. one more time. yeah that's was a recreation before it. leaked out so was he just recreating. what he remembered yes can me see the.

real one again it's pretty damn good. isn't it that he remembered not bad not. bad missed the barb wire fence but not. mad put in a bunch of [ __ ]. background I went to the exact location. that [ __ ] he put in there put in. beautiful Hills I know and and that. fence is still there there was a go back. to the r yeah that fence is still there. I took an actual I took a mo so what is. that jet in the background Harrier jum a. Harrier jet is what I'm told they're 99%. sure and was that Harrier jet trying to. figure out what this was well it like I. said in the other prints according to to.

uh Craig Lindsay the RAF press officer. he said the other six prints or five. prints had that Harrier jet in a. different position so he said it was if. the Harrier jet flew around checking. that out now where are those other. prints we have a other mod just they. were gone they they killed the story I. mean the guy at the mod who worked there. Nick Pope told me that they they did. everything they could to squash it. because don't you think they probably. have it filed away somewhere they do of. course they didn't throw those pictures. away they you zoom in on this Jam please. yeah that's a really crap copy you're.

looking at a really bad prank can you. zoom I've got a much better that's as. much as I get I've got a much better. version of it on you got it on your. phone I do text it to a homie this um. this image is um it's weird yeah it's a. because it's uh it's hard to see what. you're looking at you know it's uh yeah. well let me show you a much better copy. of it hang on let me just scroll up here. because I've got a really good I got the. original print. um of this copy but you know people talk. about you know the more compelling data.

and the lengths so this is this is the. photograph that I took at the site you. can get an idea of that okay see how. what it looks like right how similar. right exactly the same yep and then here. is here's the here's the. print and I could take a I could text. that to you guys if you. want yeah text that to me I'll text it. to I'll text it to you guys both of them. send both of them this is it's very. interesting very interesting case I mean. it's again I think it's one of the best.

photographic cases cuz you're not. dealing with just a UFO you've got a. military jet in the background and if. you have a date and a location guess. what that Pilot's still out there that. pilot can probably got it on radar and. probably got gun cam foot he still alive. if well he would have been probably. young right Pilots are young he would. have been his 30s or maybe early 40s and. that was 34 years ago so chances are. he's still alive they're pretty fit. right yeah maybe he's in the. okay I'm going to I'm going to text this. to you right now here we go boom you.

should have that did I get you all did I. get all of them to you and here is a. picture of Craig Lindsay this is great. you're going to love. this. uh okay this is this is the guy that. kept it I didn't get it yet you didn't. no wonder if it's because I have my. phone on airplane mode yeah take it off. airplane mode bro I told you to do that. oh you did I was trying to explain to. you it's off now I'm sorry otherwise it. won't actually send it oh it won't okay. all right here we go here we go all. right it's like dealing with my dad I.

know I'm so bad I know you were telling. me how to do it I was like I haven't. done that before it's funny people that. don't understand how to use their phon. tell me if that goes through okay I'm. waiting on still. okay great great shot you need me to. send it here you do it here there's that. one and there's flip left to right on it. but you know it just goes to show the. lengths that the Intel Community the. ministry of Defense the dod go to hide.

the more compelling photographic data. because it's so easy to complain like oh. well if they were real there would be. good well there are some really good PRS. you got Joe Exotic in your phone I God. you guys are looking at other stuff I. found drones that you can I don't know. that they're commercially available you. get all the ones you wanted but you can. have a drone up for 24 plus hours that. didn't send it to me either are you. serious yeah weird am I sending to the. wrong telephone number let me let me see. your the number you have you might have.

my own well I have it I definitely have. it on Signal here you do it here [ __ ] it. you take over you drive let me see CU. I'm clearly failing at this one I'm just. going to check to see what what I sent. it to cuz I I changed my number cuz. people get weird oh I can totally. imagine that would be the case separate. I found some drones that this these. companies say that you can take off. anywhere they're showing them taking off. from like small Platforms in the ocean. they can stay up in the air for 14 plus. hours they're small and they do have. propellers I will say that but yeah and.

like I said I you know it's not the. question is are are all these drones uh. you know explainable by aliens and the. question OB the answer obviously is no. the question is are any of these. Bonafide UAP and there's definitely some. evidence to suggest that's the case but. again there's always misidentification. of more conventional stuff right right. and there's always uh and then there's a. stubborn core percent like I give you an. example this is something that I've. discussed a little bit recently did you.

find it okay yes okay good finally we. got that that Enigma worked out yeah. it's just your 5G is very slow oh really. yeah you using AT&T what are you us oh I. using Verizon Verizon I use Verizon too. really yeah it's just real slow do I. have do I have a Whatchamacallit on. actually accidentally sent myself these. other ones of the guy holding it up too. oh cool yeah that's cool that's that's. Craig Lindsay so um I'll send this to. you Jamie so let me tell you a little uh. a little story that's pretty cool uh.

which I never thought that this would. happen I um um there's a guy Kirk. McConnell who Senate armed service. committee and he participated the very. last minute in my in my film he's in the. trailer and he in an official capacity. with high level clearance he had been. investigating UFOs ever since the New. York Times article in 2017 so he was. behind the scenes 2017 2018 tailing of. 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 22 23 24 and. then he stepped down and he came um.

through some Intel folks we got in touch. and I said hey man my film's almost done. if you want I could squeeze in one final. interview he decided to participate up. he went we became friends we've been. talking and he said hey uh I could. probably arrange a meeting because. there's some mutual interest in some UFO. cases and evidence that I've been going. after as a civilian but he goes hey on. the inside if you want I can cook you up. with it with the heads of Arrow the new. heads of Arrow John Koslowski and this. other guy Ryan who was Air Force office.

special investigations this just a. couple weeks ago so I went to the. Congressional hearings which was. incredible and people say oh it's a big. nothing Burger but you know what it was. very exciting seeing people testify. under roath there's a there's a crash. reval program seeing an a rear Admiral. Tim G gadet saying that they're under. the water I mean it's pretty fascinating. stuff yeah so um I had to I had to apply. for a a security background on me which. was about 48 hours and then I got. approval for that and then I showed up.

at a wing across the street from the. Pentagon and I had to go through the. metal detector and then there are these. kind of exciting for me because I had. never had this kind of experience before. there was these glass tube type things. they were lined up like in a row and I. only one person can go in at a time the. doors open just like in Star Trek and. you walk in and that door closes and. another one opens you go to the other. side then I had to get rid of my phone. and everything and leave it outside and. then go into a skiff which is a. sensitive compartmented uh information. facility skiff is all super top secret.

whatever and uh and I got to meet with. the new head of Arrow John Koslowski and. I was like I can't believe I'm in the. belly of the Beast this is crazy like. I'm how how could I I'm a civilian I. don't I don't belong here but we started. talking just very nonchalantly you know. I said hey um you guys got to throw us a. bone I said you know we're not going. away. the story is not going away and I said. you and you know what we're ultimately.

dealing with I mean obviously the vast. majority of UAP or UFOs can be and have. been explained away in down toe. conventional terms right but there's a. stubborn core 15 20% that really defy. conventional explanation not because of. the lack of data because they truly. can't explain what these things do and. you know well you've had many people on. these objects exhibited technology. that's just light years advance from. anything that we have I mean this is and. it's been well documented since the 19. 40s and possibly some people would say. way before that but modern day UFO wave. no question so there's two you know two.

stories one is someone's been in. possession of this revolutionary. technology for 85 plus years and kept it. secret or two we're not alone right. right nhi so I said I said to the. gentleman very candidly you know we're. probably dealing with a small percentage. of of nhi and what's the plan to tell. the general public and this is just a. couple weeks ago and he looked at me and. he goes James I can't part my hair. without approval from the dod and you.

can quote me on that and that was him in. my opinion telling me hey this is. structured in a way that's that I'm my. hands are tied I can I can uncover all. the things in the world but I can't tell. the general public or even Congress. without the dod approving it first yeah. so that's what's kind of happening right. now and one of the reasons why we were. so fortunate to get the number of of I. say whistleblowers or potential whle. blowers or people to come forward in the. program is because they were super. frustrated with the previous head of. head of era which is this guy named Sean.

katrick which basically just kind of. blanket you know denied pretty much. almost almost everything and people were. extremely disappointed with that but. just like Blue Book yeah kind of like. Blue Book yeah they've always done that. right yeah but but again it brings not. everybody's doing it not everybody's. doing it right there's a bunch of well I. think now also with the internet there's. there's ways to get information out. that's much quicker and clean. no question then trusting a reporter you. know and then your life's in danger and. the reporter gets threatened and yeah.

yeah now things just kind of get out so. so well I've thought about this like you. know I'm going back to Brazil and I. thought you know I'm obviously going. after you know additional eyewitness. testimony I'm going after to the. photographic stuff and those of you out. there that are like tired of hearing. about it well I spent 20 plus years in. search of the photograph that I featured. just now that one with the background. story on it Providence that sort of. thing go look at the one that I sent you. it's a better version of it yeah and and. so I it's not like I just because you.

you know you can't after a year or two. haven't successfully obtained stuff so. this is a better version yeah it's a. better version that you could see the. granular of the film footage weird it's. almost looks like there's something in. the back it does look a little bit like. that a little propeller or something. like a Jetson's type but but let's just. say that thing was silent supposedly. silent according to the witnesses it. didn't make any sound it hovered there. for an extended period of time and when. it took off it took off straight. vertical like this straight up fast uh. it started going fast faster faster.

faster and then was. gone yep that was that was Craig lesie. who interviewed the witnesses who told. me. that and it's so weird though according. to Richard Greaves in Scotland the. Americans got involved of course we get. involved in everything yep they showed. up and they intimidated the [ __ ] out of. the witnesses and I I know people can. criticize me for reporting on these. alleged Men In Black but it's not me. saying it it's the witnesses that are. saying it and I did it full bore For the. First Time full boore for the first time. in moment of contact because I remember.

hearing these stories for decades and I. finally was like everyone's going to. think I'm crazy if I report on this but. this lady who was the mother of the two. daughters that saw that had these visits. and the intimidation and I was like. screw it I'm just going to report on. this and I'll just take the criticism. you know and then I wasn't expecting. this for the to be the case with this. Photograph but lo and behold it was but. um anyway uh it's it's a huge. story it in my opinion they can't put.

the genie back in the bottle it's coming. out and it's drip drip drip but I have. to remind your audience people that are. feeling impatient that we've had three. open Congressional hearings in the last. three years yeah it's we hadn't had any. in over 50 years prior to that it's. definitely even though it's still. difficult to get information and figure. out what's actually going on there's way. more open mainstream discussion of it. way more and and it's frustrating at. times I get it you know people are like. oh well why all these people why can't. they just like why can't David grush. just tell us you know well I can remind.

people that the dod has stripped David. grush of his clearances and won't allow. him to get into a ski this is one of the. things that I I talked to this guy Brian. Benner appears in the movie at Politico. and he goes he goes if Congress finds. out about it one thing we know on the. hill is that you're going to find out. about it they they can't keep a secret. it's going to leak so they've been doing. everything they can I'm imagine as a DOD. to prevent grush from going into a skip. with members of Congress to release and. R the classified details necessary to. verify his claims okay have You' been.

keeping this under wraps for 60 plus. years or whatever they've been doing. yeah would you really tell AOC would you. really pull her aside and tell her well. I mean any members of congress with the. proper clearances and feel like they. want to have that information I mean you. got not nothing wrong with her I'm not. saying her I'm just saying pick a young. one you going to give them all that. information you exactly they don't want. them to have that information there's no. question about it I mean I would that. that's what I would imagine that's. probably why they won't let grush get. into his gim so here's another thing I'd.

like to mention is that David grush. claims that he gave even a street. address to the icig which is Thomas. monheim that's the intelligence. Community Inspector General so I'm. asking members of Congress to support. all the efforts you know brette who's. been amazing regardless of what your. politics the guy's phenomenon he's been. really pushing for transparency super. solid guy you got mace you got mus. muscowy what's his from from Florida uh. Garcia from California um AOC New York.

um Luna and uh then of course you got. the Senate side you got Rubio I totally. knows where this stuff is uh rounds. Schumer um and if you look at the ndaa. you can see the language in plain sight. I mean it's it's it's phenomenal what's. going on and I and. I I think that our elected officials. that are really pushing for transparency. need to hear from us need to hear from. the citizens and know that we support. their efforts and that we have their. backs and and continuing to to push for.

transparency to push to find out what. the hell's going on I mean imagine if. it's. true imagine if we have spaceships and. we have biologics Bodies Okay MH that is. not. just implications for the United States. that's Global implications I mean the. impacts the ripple effect that would. have around the world for that. confirmation to happen no doubt would be. huge well the human race deserves to. know it it shouldn't be uh unelected. officials and defense department people.

that know about this stuff that's crazy. I totally agree unless unless this is. what I I had a conversation with Ryan. Graves yesterday the way I would argue. it if I was a military person I would. say this is a national security interest. and we are trying to back engineer this. stuff we're not successful if China. steals our data if Russia can back. engineer one before if Iran gets one. before us we're [ __ ] because these. things are are insanely sophisticated we. would obviously weaponize the technology. that's obvious course du it's like 101.

right we not the basics I mean if you. could put a nuke on one of those things. I mean the exhibited technology that. people say people that have witnessed. this stuff say it goes from a stand to. add a sight in the blink of an eye I. mean these objects what was it uh David. fraver said it it went from space 50,000. fet above sea level to to sea level in. one second in one second yeah that's. insane we talked about it yesterday like. it's insane amount of speed and um the. way Ryan explained it in terms of like.

the amount of force you would need is. equivalent to how many nuclear bombs did. he. say something insane like the entire. nuclear Arsenal has to. be to generate that kind of power. whatever it is it's if if these stories. are true it's doing something that we. don't understand so if it's ours. I kind of get why they wouldn't want to. Spill the Beans my thought once was what. if this is not weaponize with our.

current technology like what if these. our these things are our drones but they. don't know how to put a weapon on it yet. like because whatever you do I have a. problem a speed I have a problem with. that theory and the problem I have is. that the United States government has. documented Close Encounters of the Third. Kind that's a be connected that's their. own files right that's not me saying it. so it's not just these objects. exhibiting revolutionary technology for.

at least 80 years right no wings no tail. no visible means of propulsion ability. to hover accelerate out of sight the. blink of an eye right angle turns at. high speed no wake no sonic boom that. kind of stuff but you also have reports. credible reports of beans connected to. some of the craft and that's documented. all around the world so that eliminates. right if it's true so but this is the. whole thing like just because. something's written down somewhere. doesn't mean that someone didn't write. it down as a scop someone didn't write.

it down to discredit other people with a. ridiculous Story one way to discredit a. credible story is to attach it to a. bunch of ridiculous stories right so if. I was going to hide some sort of. Technology one thing I would do is. connect it to a bunch of kooky stuff a. bunch of psychic stuff and remote. viewing just a bunch of things that. people like very easily dismiss UFO. abductions UFO encounters encounters. with an actual being right but put a. bunch of stuff in there that like makes. people go what is this real and just.

enough just enough so that you can hide. the real stuff in there well I think and. again I'm not I'm playing devil I to and. I and again I I've said this earlier on. the show and I'll say it again is like. the reason why I believe David grush who. testified not just because I believe. David but David doesn't have firsthand. experience he talked about but the. reason I know I know but the reason why. I believe him is because aligns with my. research in the field and remember I. spent over 12 years investigating on and.

off with my buddy Marco Le in in in. Virginia Brazil uh that UFO crash case. and only found out the last minute the. last time I was there that the Americans. were involved so I was like oh my God. the rumors are are true like you know. the Americans really are do you see like. I obviously looked into Roswell for. years I went to Roswell the 50th. Anniversary this is how the deal Works. bro you want the aid we get the UFOs we. give the aid but if a crash UF you. [ __ ] call us stay out of there don't. be carrying that dude to the hospital.

leave it to us and then we'll just scoop. that up and shut the [ __ ] up what do you. think about that the the one of the. craziest stories is that there's a. building somewhere that's an enormous. building that was actually around the. UFO cuz the UFO was too big to move have. you heard this story it was reported on. new news Nation with Ross cart it's got. to be real and I well Ross cold heart is. incredible. he's got an ACC pretty he's got a great. accent he's got an australi ACC not. quite British we believe you ACC but but.

it's close you're more cred New York ACC. there something about a British accent. that just adds credibility to anything. it was some guy from New York so we got. this [ __ ] car sorry put absolutely. huge this spaceship so [ __ ] big we. got to build a building around it but. but they they talked about it now here's. what is this building and where is it. supposed to be I I don't know oh you're. holding them back no. no I have a little bit but I don't have. the same connections on that but but. I'll tell you a case that I do think.

needs to get looked into oh you you're. going to you're going to move us around. away from this because well this is no. but this is a craft a recover a. government agent this guy trying to so. uh there's a there's a memo in the. program that was through the Doster. process was released unfortunately some. of the names are redacted Christopher. melon obtained it it was from. correspondence you have with a high. level government official uh back in. 2020 it just got uh approved for release. I don't know maybe a year ago It's.

featured in the in the in the dock and. in it it has the names of not just the. gatekeeper but other people that names. who found the gatekeeper to the crash. tal program uh I'm told that unredacted. versions of that have been handed to. select members of Congress and people. that are investiga in official capacity. for the government but in it they. specifically mention a case not crash a. landed case that happened in 195 53 at. cman. Arizona so I made some inquiries with. Aerospace folks that I've been meeting.

with quietly and I'm like what's this. case that you guys keep talking about. with the cman Arizona they're like oh it. was like uh they just landed and left I. was like well how do you know they land. what do you mean landed and left and. they're like well the doors were open. and nobody home and they walked off I. said you mean somebody just flew this. thing down it landed on the ground in. the desert in cman Arizona in 1953. and they left the doors open and laugh. and they're like yep that's pretty much. what happened so so they left the craft.

there somebody just they flew it down. and left a craft on the ground I was. told that and I I wouldn't be repeating. this if I didn't think there was some. serious credibility to it but apparently. it was and well doesn't that align with. how Diana Pula and Gary Nolan have. started describing these things as. donations well the individual that I. talked to was so funny because this. individual was like not a scratch and I. grew up not a scr what not a SC not a. scratch not a scratch on the no it it. was perfect didn't have a scratch I was.

like oh my gosh this sounds like. somebody who's more than just heard. about this but they one of the aspects. of it didn't have a scratch on it so I. think that's that's a case that I think. that people should definitely firstand. witness said it didn't have a scratch I. don't know if it was the way they. describe this is the problem this is the. problem I have with all this stuff but. here's the thing if you were Travis. Walton yes okay love that guy I love. that guy too fascinating story I really. enjoy there's we got a bobblehead that's. a Travis Walton bobblehead oh no way yes.

I got it from Travis that's him staring. at this guy oh my gosh when he was a. young man I went to the location at a. remote that is I'm interested in that. because that's a firsthand witness yes. right that's a guy he's explaining his. bizarre experience he's told the same. story no question for whatever 50 60. years whatever the hell it's been 1975. whatever it was since he got abducted 50. almost 50 years so this guy was there. that was his story that I'm interested. in that when I hear a guy told a guy.

that this is what happened and this is. how he described it I'm like super frust. so talking to Jay Sands Yes firstand. again firstand was like what the [ __ ]. are you saying face to face tell me what. it was doing what did it look like yeah. he said he thought it was an adolescent. too he didn't think that it was a full-. grown one he thought it was young well. he's got an illustration of it in the. documentary and I tell you it's it's one. of the C I remember. after I know I was like if this is true. I was like this is crazy face to face I.

said that person this is something that. we didn't reveal in the documentary was. really funny he thought that this. individual was suffering from a. frostbite or um what's that when you get. really cold hypothermia hypothermia yeah. skin had a blue tint to it so he was. take he took his jacket off and he very. insistently put the jacket on this. individual cuz he was thinking this. person's really really cold it's been. out in the desert probably had a plane. crash or what whatever and so he's. putting his and the person was kind of. resistant but Jason S said I insisted I. took one layer of my jacket and I put.

around this individual and that. individual left with the jacket on so we. jokingly I jokingly say where do you. think your jacket is now he's like. probably out there at help satario God. only knows or right here yeah yeah or. yeah or this is the thing that gets me. logistically yes okay if these things. are coming from the ocean just. logistically you'd have to have a large. ship so we we were talking about this. with yesterday and I was saying like if. they had a battleship we'd be able to. see that right like 100% he says so it.

would have to be a. submarine so I'm like Jesus Christ What. If there really is some sort of a. civilization underwater that that has. existed coexisted with us forever did. you hear about the uh testimony by rear. Admiral Tim galet just recently in. Congress is this the one where the. thing's moving underwater 500 knots yes. he's reporting. explain it to people what he said I. don't have all that you can look yeah. what I can remember basically is. confirming that we have objects that are.

exhibiting a technology underwater that. defies any convectional explanation. things that are just virtually. impossible like so much faster than the. fastest submarine or anything like that. just and they're really big yeah it's. moving as if there's no resistance. underwater moving like a fighter jet. wood in the air it's moving like that. under water they call it trans medium or. something they can do that but there but. confirmation I mean that's and I. actually spoke to to to rear Admiral Tim. gadet um on a couple of occasions.

recently and I thanked him for coming. forward to testifying and he said you. know I felt an obligation to do so. because a lot of my men the pilots were. coming forward and I wanted to back them. up and so that's why that's why he. stepped forward Andi if you're if you're. coming here from somewhere else and you. wanted to hide in plain sight you would. hide in the ocean especially if you have. the technology to like completely negate. any of the effects of the the water and. the pressure least explored place on. Earth yeah we can't get to it we don't.

have the technology to get they know we. don't they know it's really hard to get. a submarine out to wherever the [ __ ]. they would what's his name went to the. bottom of the marijana trench Cameron. Cameron by himself I I would never do. that he's a wild boy isn't that like. 35,000 ft down how far is it something. bizarre like that I mean that's those. poor F would you go down in a submarine. by yourself no definitely not a homemade. one like the one of those people died in. yeah but that was there was another. thing about that case when the people. went down on that submarine.

apparently I guess it's the Navy has. some sort of very sophisticated. underwater audio sensors and they heard. the implosion and they knew about it. like immediately and didn't report on it. well I mean I think the problem with. reporting on it is that you have to. report on your technology now uh so I. don't even know if this has been. confirmed but this is what I had heard. methods and means or well it's also it's. got to be top secret like it's got to be. one of those things where if you're.

going to reveal that you heard that you. have to have clearance to do it you. probably have to run it up the ladder. one of the reasons why we know about. overhead uh satellite imagery of UAP is. because of Ratcliffe who was former head. of odni and he came forward and I. remember it's funny actually because it. was classified and Christopher melon. participated in this latest production. with me because of Ratcliffe revealing. it on Fox news and rat Cliff basically. says yeah we have overhead collection. satellite data of UAP that are pretty. [ __ ] far out and that yeah that that.

happen so they're talking about this but. getting back to your point because I. know you said you were frustrated you're. like oh yeah it's just another anecdotal. piece of evidence a piece of testimony. third party not firsthand I'm not saying. I'm frustrated no no no I no I what I'm. saying is I totally agree with you I'm. frustrated as somebody's been chasing. the story for 30 years I too want access. to the better more compelling data. that's why I chased after that photo I. just share with you earlier on for as. long as I did because I I hear about. something I go after it but I want to. remind your.

audience you can't go after something. without knowing that it exists so you. get the leads you find you start we're. learning more about the programs we're. learning how these programs are are. hidden these woo apps uh they're waved. unacknowledged special access programs. probably hidden somewhere in the deal I. know it sounds crazy but but at least. guiding giving some guidance as to where. are these things and how these these. things are hidden where they might be. found we reveal there's a gentleman in. the film called uh Navy X and people are.

like ah it's just another person. testifying anonymously well yes true but. he gives us specifics on telling members. of Congress where to look to find spe. specifics J Wix what is it and this is. where to find the more compelling data. I'm going to read this because it's. important that people know that he's. saying look I've seen it and this is. where it is it's called the official UAP. data is kept either in sipper secret. Internet Protocol router Network or jwx. joint worldwide intelligence. Communication System that's used by the.

dod and only available in a skiff and a. skiff is a sensitive compartmented. information facility so is it. frustrating to hear that and people. criticize oh it's just another person. but he's saying I've seen it it's. phenomenal he gives descriptions of some. of the stuff he saw and he's telling. members of Congress if you have the. clearances this is where it's being kept. so those are very good specific and. again I remind you guys like okay just. be patient this is not a 100 yard dash. we're running a marathon right now to be.

patient we are I want to get back to. what I was talking about earlier. logistically logistically if you're. letting something go from the ocean yes. if you're flying it out of the ocean. logistically you would have to have some. sort of a large craft out there that's. going to house these things or it's. going to launch from right if it is. actually coming from the ocean oh see. the the you're talking about right now. right yes so either they are hours and. if there are hours how do they hide the.

fact there's a battleship out there if. is that possible and if if it's from a. submarine how do they develop a. submarine that can launch 50 car size or. SUV sized drones from yeah that's one of. the things that Christopher melon said. to me this morning he goes That's Just. that's the one element or aspect that. that really is a head scratcher because. but this is the question 50 50 of these. things coming in off the ocean that's. just confirmed right right no one's but.

here's the question yes is it possible. to classify the location of a US. Battleship that's capable of having. these things so big how could you like. what how big would it have to be to. launch 50 drones God you're not talk. you're talking I don't know man but. that's a lot of drones especially the. size they're reporting they're talking. about drones the size of an SUV right. super long. let's imagine let's imagine you so when. you take a ferry how many cars can a. ferry fit on it I take a fery all the.

time in Vermont New York like a legit. one like a European 50 cars I put well. the one that's medium legit I. put 25 30 maybe 40 25 to 40 yeah more. than you think couldn't you do that with. drones and couldn't you have something. that's a little larger than the average. ferry so you wouldn't need a battleship. would they do that why would they do. that over residential areas why would. they have everybody scratching their. heads all these press conferences you're.

talking about the head of the gang of. eight right U but if they if they need. to those you're not going to tell the if. they are really looking for a nuke okay. let's imagine that this story about uh. you know a Ukrainian nuke from the time. when they they disarmed them there's one. that's unaccounted for this is one of. those stories that's been on the. internet I don't know if it's true yeah. that it's unaccounted for and that they. think it's headed to the United States.

if you were trying to find that thing. like a dirty bomb yeah or like a a just. a regular nuke that if you're looking. for gamma rays like that you could. devise a drone that could search for. that and you'd fly it over an area and. you wouldn't care whether people freaked. out because it's more important to find. this goddamn thing right so if you have. this technology it's some Skunk Works. techology from space. no I don't think so I think you have to. be there certain proximity within within. to pick up whatever did you bring this.

up with Ryan Graves yes what did he say. I mean he doesn't know either he doesn't. think so everybody that I trust the. issue people in the FBI people that I'm. I I communicate with often I'm like what. is going on it almost seems too sexy. that the United States has that kind of. ability and they're just flying these. things around and that they're doing it. for that specific reason to find a nuke. it's like that we have this kind of. Technology that we didn't none of us are. aware of that we have these these drones. that can shut off when you come close to. them the lights shut off they disappear.

they avoid tracking the RF signal. doesn't show up they they're cool there. some they have some sort of cooling. mechanism in them so it's difficult to. see with infrared I don't understand any. of that he was saying that's above what. we can do right now he's saying but. they're not moving in a way necessarily. that's not possible with drone. technology that is mainstream but some. aspects of the way they move and what. what they're doing that doesn't them to. believe that this is current. state-ofthe-art.

technology yeah they even even I had. some tell people tell me like even if. it's conventional it's highly Advanced. conventional right but if let's look at. China like China has highly Advanced. drones yeah their drone they're we were. talking about this as well that the. bottleneck in America was the AFAA the. FAA put a lot of restrictions on the. manufacturer of drones and how you can. do them what you can do China doesn't. have any of that so they're full steam. ahead with Innovation if you look at. what drone manufacturers in the United. States have been able to do and then.

imagine untethered if they weren't. [ __ ] over by all these regulations. that got in the way of innovation who. because com obviously you have to have. one because if you have some commercial. drone that someone can buy that can move. 500 miles an hour and fly through the. air and stay up there for six hours at a. time and film video of everything and. anything well and you you can't control. it you can't block the the radar screen. you can't find it with infrared that's. pretty nuts so I would imagine that.

would not be a thing that they would. want in the hands of the average. American person but why did it just. start happening fairly recently when I. say this but I'm saying if it's. Chinese if it's Chinese if they if. they're unburdened by our regulations. and that not only do they have the help. of the government they have financing. behind them they have an imperative. they're they're told what to do but. they're flying it over Langley they're. flying it over wouldn't you do that just. to [ __ ] with these people what's what's. the golf course that uh Trump has yeah. his golf course what's that called.

Westminster Minister something like that. they're flying over that the. president-elect so it's Air Force Base. did experience incursions of. unauthorized unban aerial systems in. last year December 2023 says Sabrina. Singh Pentagon spokeswoman the number of. those uas incursions did fluctuate but. they didn't appear to exhibit any. hostile intent it's something that we. have kept our eye on well thank God. you're keeping your eye on it yeah and. we have no idea what they are but they. they're fine nothing told yesterday this. has been happen this is the third year. in a row this has been happening right.

around Christmas time well that's one of. the reason CL one of the reasons why I. wanted you guys to hear that account by. the guy at Vandenberg Air Force Base. this is not an anonymous reporting the. guy's giving his name and he's talking. about objects that are the size of a. football field yeah hovering over a silo. launch control area that's also the. Phoenix Lights they describe them as. size of a football field or larger oh. yeah I interviewed a guy there was a. case that happened in right here in. Texas Stevenville uh Ricky sorl is one. of the best Witnesses I love the guy.

he's a he was a hunter and uh he's like. he's like James he's like you could have. landed an airplane on this I saidou got. to be kidding me he goes no man I goes I. stood under this thing he goes it was so. big I was standing under it and he had. his rifle and he's standing under it and. he's looking up and he's looking to the. left he's looking to the to the left. right back forward can't see the edge of. it in any direction so he grabs his. hunting rifle cuz he was he was hunting. deer this is 2008 grabs his hunting rle. please don't tell me shot it no well so.

he holds his hunting his rifle up and. he's looking through the scope and he. goes Jan I'm a metal worker I work with. metal I know what metal looks like and. he's looking through the scope and he. goes man there's no rivets there's no. seams there's no weld marks he's like. there were these on the belly of it. there were these reverse like uh. recessed uh cones it's like bigger and. then they got smaller as it went up into. the belly of The Craft he's looking up. at it his fingers on the trigger and. he's like man I wonder wasn't that hard. I go I wonder what happened if I just. pulled the trigger here and I bet it. would Ricochet off or hit the belly or.

something so he's looking at it and he's. just about to pull the trigger to check. it out and he goes hm maybe this isn't. such a good idea I interviewed him in. 2008 when this was going down and then. about a year later I was doing some. follow-up interviews for a film I did I. know what I saw and I had this gentleman. walk up to me and I was filming in in. the downtown Square in uh Stevenville. or it might have been Dublin and um this. gentleman looks at me and he goes you Mr. Fox and I was like yes and he pulls out.

a badge and he shows me as his badge and. uh he's like can I talk to you for a. minute I'm I'm officer of so and so and. I was like Jesus Christ what the hell. did I do and I said yeah sure and we. walk off to a cafe and he goes he's. looking at he had his back he had his. back to the wall and the cafe so he. could see everybody coming in he was. really paranoid and he said you know. Ricky sorl I said yeah he goes that. guy's telling the truth I said how do. you know. he goes cuz the whole Police Department. saw it I can't remember if it was Dublin. Police Department or Stevenville I think. it was Dublin Steven uh police.

department he goes we we he said we uh. we were sitting over patrol cars and. this object was like a floating. department store I mean it was absolute. Colossus colossal like a city took out. my radar gun pointed at it and it was. doing 22 miles an hour and then he said. it drifted off and they one of the. officers I don't remember the name of. the gentleman took his his gun his sorry. his dash cam and he flipped it up and he. filmed it and apparently one of the. biggest mistakes this individual made. this police officer made was that he. didn't make a copy of it cuz the local.

Air Force Base requested that film. footage and got it and so I've been. telling people to go after that stuff. exist but my point is this object was so. big people claim the witnesses the. firsthand witnesses that you could have. landed an airplane on. it yeah I mean what is what is that. those what happens if you see that. that's the thing like if you see that. even tell people you sound like a c like. if I saw it if I was outside in the. desert and I was just chilling and.

something so big that I couldn't see the. edges of it flew overhead I don't know. what I'd say he said when it took off it. was like this he goes James and Ricky. didn't want to give me an on camera. interview for the longest time he said. I'm not coming forward I'm not going to. do it I'm not going public I worked on. him for eight months finally I got the. green light I flew back out to Texas got. him on camera put him in the movie but. he said when it took off it went from. this a complete standstill and it went. straight up like at a slight angle but.

straight up and gone he goes James I. said describe the acceleration he goes. yeah well I'll tell you the the best way. I can describe is that had I blinked I. would have I would have missed it that's. how fast it took off so it went from. here like that he had um he had. helicopters hovering over his I know. this sounds crazy people are going to be. like oh this big you but he had. helicopters flying over his property for. a while right around the time that I was. trying to get him to go on. camera he came out in his underwear and. his shotgun late at night with his. helicopter spotlighting him up and he. ended up calling the local Air Force.

pace and said stop flying over my house. at night and they said we suggest you. stop talking about what you saw and so. uh he was kind of spooked and about. eight months later he finally he finally. decided that he was going to go public. with the story but you know everything. to lose nothing to gain you get this. countless reports of of these cases you. know and and they're around the world. right it's not just you United States. I've demonstrated that time and time. again um but there's more of them in the. United States than anywhere else right. well I mean one of my favorite case Ru.

Zimbabwe that's an amazing case right. but there's more sightings in the United. States than anywhere else right seems to. be an attraction almost like a a moth to. a flame with uh with nukes somehow. they're interested in our n nuclear. capabilities and and and I I remember. interviewing Robert Salis who was a. launch control officer who described. this whole event at malstrom Air Force. Bas in the 60s where these UFOs were. witness on the base and then all. their minute missiles started getting.

shut down and I I remember saying to him. like well what what uh what's what's. your take on that like what kind of you. know he goes and I could real I realized. why this individual was a launch control. officer because he was so measured and. so calm and so cool and he goes well. James the message I got was kind of. clear it's almost like taking matches. out of the hand of a. baby about the nukes yeah yeah so you. know with the phenomenon you look at. what they do right and that that says.

some things they've done some pretty. Brazen events right over the around over. the decades but you also look at what. they don't do because if the phenomenon. wanted to end this like you know secrecy. once and for all all they'd have to do. is hover over the Macy's day parade or. or the next big Super Bowl and game over. they don't do that they've done some. pretty Brazen things right I mean case. in point uh March 13th 97 over the State.

of Arizona including the governor F. Simon witnessed that massive there were. a number of UFOs witnessed but that the. main one you know was this big Boomerang. shaped craft and even the governor said. it must have been at least a mile across. from wing tip wing tip that floated and. I actually interviewed people that. worked at Luke Air Force Base at the. time and they said that they scrambled. Jets to intercept this thing and I. interviewed a number of people that saw. that craft I mean that stood on their. that light down in their lawns and. watched it float over the top of them.

and apparently according to this. individual that I met in the in the late. 90s at Luke Air Force Base they. scrambled a military jet to intercept. this thing he came up on it could have. landed on the damn thing it was so big. and it went from moving very very slowly. to accelerating like warp drive boom. just gone when the jet came back to the. base Luke Air Force Base they had to. carry him out of the the plane I'm told. because he was so shaken by what he saw. yeah I could imagine you wouldn't handle. that well can you imagine having to keep. that secret no you imagine like could.

you imagine taking the governor had to. lie right the governor had to like stand. up with a a rob a guy in a dressed in an. alien suit s yeah and I hammered him on. that one well then afterwards once he. left office then he talked about it yes. they talked about seeing it yes yeah. yeah I got I wonder why he had to do. that though I I got oh well so I. interviewed I was the one that get got. him to break his silence after 10 years. and he told me and I don't necessarily.

know that I fully believe it but he told. because initially when it happened in. March and that remember the vast. majority of people were out under the. night sky to get a glimpse of the hellbo. comment so it was witnessed all the way. across the State of Arizona and even in. Nevada Southern Nevada and um yeah there. he is five told me that it was growing. hysteria but initially he had said out. and he said we're going to find out I'm. contacting Luke Air Force Base reached. out to the Pentagon and all these. various services and we're going to.

we're going to get to the bottom of it. and then I don't know how much longer it. was was it later that day or was it the. next day he held an unscheduled press. conference and that's when he had his. AIDS dressed up in an alien suit and. made a mockery of it all and I can. assure you pissed the hell off his. constituents and the witnesses all. across the State of Arizona they were. Furious and um I confronted him on that. 10 years after the fact because I was. pissed off I was investigating that case. when it happened in the 9s and I.

interviewed a lot of really good. Witnesses really good Witnesses and um. he said uh the reason why he did it was. because of growing hysteria that he. wanted to quiet calm down the the. hysteria but did he get a phone call. just saying hey kill the story I I lean. in that direction but he's never even. when we're having cocktails together. he's never confessed that that happened. but it it was awfully suspicious the way. it all went down it's a little weird. especially considering he actually saw. it that could have been a turning point.

in the UFO phenomenon. reporting uh you know um era right like. suddenly you get this massive sighting. which would happen today we would have. been covered by you know everybody's. phones and whatever but it but if the. governor had come forward and said yeah. we need to figure out what that thing is. I'm a former captain in the Air Force. I'm a pilot and I don't I saw it I don't. know what the hell that thing was is. there any footage of the actual thing. the the triangle Boomerang there are. there are some footage floating around. and I featured some and I know what I. saw uh you got an object in the night.

sky with lights that and I at the time. in 2009 I did some kind of enhancement. I'm sure the software is a lot better. nowadays of uh it looks like um like a. big uh I can draw it like a boomering uh. yeah but more angular it was like uh. like this. like. this and my drawing my drawings are. terrible like that look up at the. screen yeah yeah yeah yeah kind of like.

that yeah mhm yep and so that image in. the far. left that's but that's the yeah and. there was that's it right there right. yeah and here's something that kind of. throws off the trail here because um. excuse me the object came down of the. State of Arizona it went from north to. south is that legit uh on the right. there yeah uh I I I honestly I I can't. say I'd have to really do a deep dive. into it but let me tell you what. happened because this is brilliant so.

what happened was you got this massive. object from around 5:30 at night in the. southern uh Nevada and then it drifts. down very slowly over across the entire. from north to south across the entire. State of Arizona and right around 7:30 8. 8:30 uh the G the Barry Goldwater. mountain range which is the direction it. was heading in uh the military decides. to drop a bunch of. flares and so people were like oh there. it is there's some you know and they and.

a bunch of people filmed the flares so. in my opinion it was a diversionary. tactic that was brilliantly done because. why the military suddenly decided to. drop flares in the shape of somewhat of. the shape so I think that some of the. footage that you've seen out there is. military flares but there's and there. was an effort I don't know if you want. to get into it right now but there was. there was an effort uh. by the so-called m&b which the MIB these. men in black or the whatever unknown. government agency they come from uh to.

uh that took that took some footage that. I was uh learning about during my. investigations in the '90s and I know. you're looking at me like of crazy no so. the first time I really heard a really. credible report of the MIB and I decided. not to report on it was when I was in. touch with a woman who was councilwoman. Francis barwood who was one of the few. officials uh in uh Phoenix area that was. saying hey let's investigate what these. people are claiming to have seen she's. not saying aliens have landed all she's.

saying is hey these people have a right. to know what's going on let's launch an. investigation she was lambasted over the. media made fun of ridiculed but as a. result of her inquiry public inquiry and. putting it out there one of these. individuals reached out to her and I. know this because I know her Francis bar. I heard the whole story and he was a um. he was a Vietnam vet and he was on the. roof of his house with a tripod and a. camera and he was trying to get a glimp. he was trying to film the hilbo comment. and he had walkie-talkies and he was. monitoring the truck drivers driving up.

Interstate 10 from Tucson to Phoenix and. so he's monitoring this and he hears. these truckers talking about a massive. UFO and he's like [ __ ] that's heading. right towards my house he was like I'll. film it so he had a camera all ready to. go the and the object went right over. his house according to him and he filmed. the whole thing and he goes yeah I. filmed the whole thing it's pretty. spectacular and I know that you're. launching investigation for bar would. you like to see it and she said yeah so. they made arrangements where he was. going to drop it off at her office. either later that day or first thing the. next morning two representatives and it.

was July at this point it was very hot. two men in dark suits showed up at his. house and they said hey um he was. apparently relieved that's all they. wanted he said they were quite menacing. looking didn't really say a lot they. said we're from Francis bwoods office. we're here to pick up that footage so he. gives him the footage he said the only. question they ask him is did they make. any copies and he said no and so they. take the footage off they go well he. doesn't hear from Francis barwood he's. like what the hell so a couple days go. by I think possibly up to a week he.

calls her up and he says uh and Francis. will tell you this she'll she'll. validate what I'm telling you he says uh. hey what you think of the footage she. goes well what do you mean why don't I. think of the footage I never got it you. were going to drop it off in my office. and you didn't show up he goes well I. didn't have to you had two men from your. office show up and pick it up she goes I. didn't send anybody around to your. office and I know at the time in the. late '90s I heard a couple of stories. prior to that I thought this is too out. there this is too outlandish no one's. going to believe this I have no proof of. this other than her testimony screw it.

and and I didn't report on it but. hearing those cases over and over and. over it's like there we go once again. the so-called evidence that could prove. or disprove one way the other that. something truly extraordinary took place. in the Skies over Phoenix back in 1997. vanished but there is some that's that. slip between the cracks that's out there. you just have to do due diligence and. there's I don't have the time to sip. through those images that we were. looking at they look too clean yeah I. don't know what's AI generated or. whatever but or what could have been in. a documentary like a recreation I know.

what I saw features some of the footage. I covered that case extensively so if. anyone's interested in the Phoenix. Lights case that but I can tell you how. many side how many people saw it Oh. thousands yeah thousands I talked to. another woman Stacy rhods and her. daughter Emily and they said they were. driving on Interstate 10 and she goes. look James I'm going to tell you how big. this thing was I said how big and she. goes first of all there were people. stopped on the freeway just like stopped. as this thing it was like Close. Encounters floating over the she goes I. could have held up a newspaper like this.

and look to the left look to the right. look to that and she said I couldn't. block this thing out that's how big it. was and it didn't make a sound it was. gunmetal black it was witnessed by a lot. of people that's what I say there's some. some events that have happened over the. decades that are pretty Brazen and. that's one of them Hudson Valley is. pretty Brazen as well I just wish I knew. if it was true when you. the if you see thousands of people. saying the same thing including the. governor know so invested in it and you. go what happened the governor yeah the.

governor same guy who came out with a. [ __ ] guy dressed up like yeah I know. but I got him to come clean 10 years. later yeah but so he's already not. credible well he already bullshits he. does he bullshits he definitely. bullshits he definitely bullshits you're. right right yeah so when someone. bullshits about that they might [ __ ]. about anything but well I true yeah but. I mean I I'm just playing Devil's out no. I hear you I I hear I hear what you're. saying and I he hasn't been in the. Limelight a while it's good thing to. talk about now there's no smoke without. fire there is so much evidence in terms.

of eyewitness testimony and radar some. photographic not as much as we'd like. that something truly. inexplicable is taking place in our. Aerospace right something that after. careful examination something that not. because of a lack of data in some. instances but that after careful. analysis and research investigation that. comes out the other end and says I can't.

explain this is going to have to be one. of those um unknowns or you know falls. into that 15% category of uh cannot. provide a terrestrial or conventional. explanation for and those are the cases. that I've so desperately have been going. after for a long time so is all this. disclosure and all those discussions on. television now and all these meetings. and hearings does it so are you think. we're on an accelerated path do you. think this is like this is all good.

right I'm convinced of it yes but do you. think that there's a real possibility. like within the next few years that they. just completely drop all the [ __ ]. and come clean about this stuff or would. it take some sort of extraordinary event. where they had to admit it something. much bigger than this drone thing um. well in some respects there has been I I. I I remember I interviewed this guy Nick. Pope at the D years ago and I was like. this was a time when we were pushing for. transparency there France was was. releasing previously classified. documents on.

UFOs as they'd say uh the mod followed. suit they were releasing previously. classified documents slowly putting it. out there and at the time was rather. exciting I just did a big event at the. nationville Press Club with Leslie Kane. and and it was like this whole move and. it was like oh my God it's happening. right but uh it it it kind of petered. out a little bit and I remember asking. this guy that used to work the UFO desk. at theod Nick Pope and I said Nick do. you anticipate this any type of. disclosure this is like 2009 or. something 2008 2009 and he goes James no.

he goes it's going to be disclosure with. a small D not a big D it's going to. trickle out slowly you condition people. get people prepared test the waters you. know one of the things that we explore. in the program and I'd never done that. is the politics of disclosure it's a far. more complex let's just suspend judgment. for a moment and assume that it's real. okay that there really is an NH or. non-human intelligence aspect to the. phenomenon right let's just suggest. that's real now how do you disclose that. to the general public what about the. impacts on organized religion what about.

the impacts on financial institutions. what about the fact that we'd have to. confess that we don't have full control. over this I mean those are real. considerations and it's not just the. United States right this involves the. planet this involves all the humanity I. wanted to ask you about this you see. what I'm saying like I do toally more. complex than you think oh I toally get. that what do you how does Russia handle. these things how does China handle these. things well I uh there was a case in. China that happened in 1994 right around.

the time of Ru Zimbabwe also in 1994. called mung Xiao Gua and it happened in. the black mountains and it was uh a. landing alleged contact close to kind of. the Third Kind it's funny because it. happened right in the same time of. Africa similar message that was conveyed. I went to China I met with a active. General in uniform talked openly about. the UFO phenomenon they were pretty open. I went to to uh Russia in the late '90s. and that was right before Putin it was. right around the time when Putin was.

coming in and that was a period of. openness and I went to Star City Russia. I interviewed a cosmina pavl papovich uh. a number of generals and uh they were. very open about it in fact they said to. me at the time if you're. here to discuss whether or not the UFO. phenomenon is real the door's right over. there we're here to create an. international Coalition an International. Exchange of information and to talk. about the implications of the phenomenon. which I thought was amazing this is like. 25 years ago right so now I don't think.

things have changed since Putin's been. in office but that was back in the late. 90s I mean they've been Congressional. hearings in Brazil there's been there's. been an effort I mean [ __ ] they had they. had hearings back in 1978 at United. Nations that Lee beagle put on you know. so there's been an ongoing effort for. this stuff to come out I just think it's. different this time to me it feels like. they're not gonna uh there's too much. there's too much momentum behind it at. this point and there's so much. legislation that's written it's too much. that's come out and it's too important. look whether you believe it or you don't.

believe it if if you can just imagine. for a moment if it is true and if the US. government does in fact have irrefutable. evidence that we're not alone in the. universe that's so significant that we. all have a right to that information and. that we should continue to support this. unprecedented push for transparency with. our elected officials and get to the. [ __ ] bottom of it why not everybody. agrees right yeah I think everybody. agrees I think the general public no. one's going to disagree with you about. that yeah and the new administration's.

coming in there's you know there's. Ratcliffe and Rubio I'm telling you. Rubio knows a lot I know that how do you. know he knows because I talked to people. that have debriefed him and been in the. room with him during first you haven't. talked to him no I have not no I have. not but I talked to people that were in. the room when he was being briefed from. fir handers I'm told that there were I'm. going to say right around. 12 firsthand people that have that have. had behind closed doors meetings. firsthand uh people that are con.

concerned about their secrecy concerned. about their safety concerned about the. implications and the of them coming. forward and um you know going going. public that they're not quite they don't. quite have this comes from very good. source of information that the witness. protection program and the legislation. that they've created around that is not. quite there yet it's getting closer they. need continue to work on that you don't. mean like witness protections program. like put them in whistleblowers they. have whistleblow protection I'm so sorry. I meant to say that excuse me yeah. whistleblower protection it's not quite.

in place um one of the things I really. wanted to mention is that there is a. gentleman a young man who's 30 and he. feels like he's old his name is Jesse. Michaels and he's got this new show. called American Alchemy new it's a. couple years old why does it feel like. he's old cuz you know when you're 30 you. feel like you're old really well I did. when I turned 30 I was like oh I'm 30. because just 10 years earlier I was. almost 19 right or 11 years early I was. 19 right you go from a teenager to. suddenly you're 30 you always take like. 30 and I was talking to him not too long. ago Jesse and I said he's like yeah I. feel a little old I was like dude you.

are just getting into your Prime baby. this is rock and roll time but I really. wanted to this is a guy who's young. Julian Dory is also doing some amazing. work on this in podcast but he's young. and is doing a deep dive into the. implications and uh into he meets with. aerospace engineers the guy's he's a. Jesse you're a phenomenon keep rocking. and rolling I want to cut tip my hat to. you I don't know if youve seen this guy. or not or he's doing deep dives into. what's happening he's documented with. these podcasts and he's doing a. fantastic job and I just got to tip my.

half to the guy because uh he's 10 times. smarter than I'll ever be and he's young. and he's a force to be reckoned with and. he's really doing he's answering all the. questions that you and I are exploring. all these issues that you and I are. talking about well I'm glad there's. people out there pushing it and I'm glad. there's guys like grush that are. sticking their neck out and guys like. you who are making documentaries about. it it's the the subject is much more. open to discussion like I was saying. amongst serious people yes where it. didn't used to be before and now I think. with this drone thing I think there's so.

many people that are going okay okay. even if they're ours or they're China or. who what's going on why are there so. many of them what what are the answers. and why can't you tell us is it because. they're searching for a nuke Jesus. Christ maybe you should warn people we. get the [ __ ] out of here you know is. that really what's going on like uh if. it's not what is going on and if it's. not ours what are they and how come you. can't track them how come like what kind. of very bizarre it doesn't even make. sense it's very doesn't make sense when. you think of the capabilities of the. United States military it doesn't make.

any sense they can't figure out what's. going on I think what Trump said is. probably correct that the government. knows they know what's happening and. they don't want to tell people whatever. know he could tell us why wouldn't he. tell us I don't think he knows yet I. don't think until he gets into office uh. he was he gave a speech about it at. marago I saw that I saw that but did did. he say well let's watch it well watch it. we'll watch it pull the speech up yeah. cuz I'm wondering if he yeah well we're. about to find out yeah essentially he. was saying that he knows that the. government knows what's going on and uh.

they're not telling us that means. they're not telling him so they're not. telling him no I don't I don't think. until you get into office you're not the. President right so he's the president. elect I don't know what kind of. clearances that he has yeah I don't. understand how that works I'd be very. curious to know what he knows right. especially with this like who do you. even ask like who is the person that can. lay out the information like which. department which which agency it seems. like they're so compartmentalized what. about the fear home the Dr thank you. good to see you good to see you um can.

you comment on the drones that are. flying around New Jersey and ports and. it seems like the American people have a. big dist the government the government. knows what is happening um look our. military knows where they took off from. if it's a garage they can go right into. that garage they know where it came from. and where it went and for some reason. they don't want to comment and I think. they'd be better off saying what it is. our military knows and our our president.

knows our president knows and for some. reason they want to keep people in. suspense I can't imagine it's the enemy. because it was the enemy they'd blast it. out even if they were late they'd blast. it uh something strange is going on for. some reason they don't want to tell the. people and they should because the. people are really I mean they happen to. be over Bedminster. they're very they're very close to. Bedminster I think maybe I won't spend. the weekend in. Bedminster I've decided to cancel my. trip yeah I think I won't spend the.

weekend in bedminister yeah I mean wow I. bet someone told him Mr President it's. pretty important that you don't go to. the golf course yeah God that's so crazy. hey um so what does that mean I got a I. got to if if you don't mind. um there I was contacted want to this. are you going to switch the objection. well no no no no no no this is all about. exactly what we're talking about I just. this is something that that I really. need to put out there because it's very. important okay and it's an unprecedented.

effort spearheaded by this woman Andrea. who runs a number of communities on. Reddit and she said that they're banding. together for the first time ever it's. the biggest Grassroots campaign for. government transparency this is. happening on Friday the 20th of December. at 300 p.m. eastern time and this has. the potential to reach millions and. millions of people it's the most. unprecedented uh event on Reddit in. history and I'll post all of the. necessary information on X because this.

is a very Grassroots effort and I'm re. what are they doing at James C Fox on X. formerly known as Twitter it's uh the. the Reddit Community is banding together. for a huge Grassroots campaign for. government transparency so basically all. the various platforms on Reddit like. Paranormal UFO they they don't usually. get along too well but they're all. combining their resources and they're. getting together for the first time ever. and to push for government transparency. there's a couple of government insiders.

that appear in my film that will be. appearing on this to answer questions. and what steps need to be happening. what's going on today and and this is. happening on the 20th of December 3 p.m. and I'll be posting more information the. very specific details on X at James C. Fox I just wanted to get that out there. before because well the more of this. stuff that happens the better the more. people demand it the better the more. politicians hear from the people and. want to I mean especially politicians.

that are up for reelection and they want. to show that they're doing what the. people want them to do yeah I I'd like. to know more but obviously I'm very. happy that we're hearing much more about. this subject in a serious way yeah you. know whatever the hell's going on yeah. well I I I I I really encourage you to. watch the program I will 100% I went. bent over backwards to put together in. and explain everything in layman terms. what's happened from 2017 to today. because it's it's unprecedented we're. living in an unprecedented moment in.

history there's an unprecedented push. for government transparency and I want. to continue supporting our elected. officials bipartisan effort to get to. the bottom of this and I especially want. to throw a shout out to representative. brette because you're you're killing it. buddy thank you hey uh Jamie why don't. you use chat GPT and ask chat GPT what's. going on with the drones New Jersey I'd. be very curious to hear about that yeah. it's a damn good idea and maybe then ask. Rock but. uh ask ask chat GPT what is really.

happening with the drones in New. Jersey let's just see what CH so tell me. how that. works it's AI right and what is really. happening with the drones in New Jersey. let's. see so what does chat GPT say. Chad GPD is gonna search the web oh this. amazing numerous jint have been reported. across New Jersey and other East Coast. it's incredible how fast this is look. how fast look at this this is incredible.

they found no evidence suggesting threat. to National Security or Public Safety. despite these insurances some local. officials and residents remain concerned. for instance Belleville Mayor Michael. melham uh speculated The increased drone. activity might be related to a search. for missing radioactive material from. the medical facility in New Jersey. additionally the public figures like. Bethany Frankle have shared unverified. theories about the drone's purposes. further fueling speculation the. situation is evolving and authorities. continue to monitor investigate new. reports residents are advised to report.

any suspicious drone activity to local. law enforcement avoid taking matters. into their own hands like shooting them. down people are shooting them down uh. such they're shooting them down they're. eating the dogs attempting to shoot down. drones uh as it compos safety risks and. violate laws um now ask chat DPT ask. rock or no. oh let's just keep going with chat GPT. for a little bit because you're asking. it again um ask chat. GPT if I live in New Jersey should I get.

out of. town are you serious yeah yeah if I live. in New Jersey should I get out of town. should I evacuate yeah should I evacuate. we'll say evacuate cuz get out of town. is like a. colloquialism should I. evacuate okay this is amazing at this. time there's no official recommendation. for residents in New. Jersey uhhuh follow official updates. yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. yeah okay as a precautionary measure are.

you sure are you sure sometimes you. always have to ask it no federal. evacuation orders okay it knows that. there's no F Federal evacuation orders. if you were going to give me. advice would you tell me to leave the. East Coast. advice is [ __ ].

up there we go based on the current. information provided by trusted. authorities there's no evidence of an. imminent threat yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. could you imagine put this in could you. imagine a. scenario where these drones are actually. looking for a nuclear. bomb and if. so would you advise me as a preemptive.

measure to. evacuate I typed so much worse when. people are watching I'm so impressed at. how well he's typing actually I I really. am while it's possible to imagine s. involving drones searching for Dangerous. material such as a nuclear bomb there's. no verified information suggesting such. an extreme situation yeah yeah yeah so I.

how about this I. think this in I if I put it in grock and. fun mode we might get hold on a second. but try this is there a non-human. intelligence behind listen I think the. drones are looking for a nuclear. bomb and I am going to leave New Jersey. where should I. go to Montana how far away should I go. oh that's okay if you leav new JY is a. precautionary measure here are some. suggestions for place to relocate.

temporarily you're doing good head West. okay so now we're getting better so now. it's saying go further away wow uh. Colorado consider scroll back up so I. can read that where it said Colorado. consider Durango Grand Junction or areas. outside of Denver these are safe and. equipped with modern infrastructure I'm. telling you to move this is telling you. to get away from big cities Durango. Tennessee the Smoky Mountain region and. Gatlinburg or Knoxville provides natural. beauty lower cost of living and a sense. of isolation they're telling you how to.

rebuild civilization okay if a nuke goes. off where to go if a if a nuke goes off. on the East Coast type this in Jamie if. a nuke goes off on the East. Coast where should I be to be safe. oh my gosh if you're concerned about. potential nuclear incident here's a list. of safest options based on Geographic.

environmental and strategic factors. Montana Colorado Wyoming Ido sparsely. populated vast distances from major. cities and Military targets towns like. Boseman Jackson hle Sandpoint are. beautiful remote and away from the fall. out paths Jesus Christ I'm curious what. would happen if you asked chat G gbt is. it GPT GPT if uh what percentage of UAP. represent a non-human intelligence okay. that's a good.

one what. percentage of. UAP represent a non-human. intelligence really curious let's just. pulling it from the internet I know. let's see what it. says could represent nonhuman. intelligence remains unknown and. spective current in investigations by. UAP organizations like the US. government emphasize the following most. uaps have conventional explanations oh. this this project blue [ __ ] all.

percent 5 or 10% of UAP cases remain. unidentified even after thorough. analysis these cases I was. likeis to 10% uh evidence inconsistent. with known human technology no. conclusive evidence for non-human. intelligence while UAP cases are public. puzzling the government has not. officially okay Commander but type this. in Commander David. fraver encountered a ticktock a Tic Tac.

yeah Tic Tac shaped craft in. 2005 was 2004 20043 2003 okay 2003 that. defied our. understanding of known. physics period what do you think he. saw.

wow encounter with tic tac shaped craft. remains one of the most compelling and. well documented UAP cases in modern. history key deal details of the. encounter craft described smooth white. oblong resembling a Tic Tac no visible. propulsion wings or exhaust played. extraordinary flight characteristics. accelerated instantly from a hovering. position descended from 880,000 ft to. near sea level in seconds frer reported. the object mimicked his movements during. their engagement and then vanished at. extreme. speed it's possible the craft was an.

ultra secret military project either. us-based experimental aircraft Aerospace. technology or developed by another. Nation however the extreme flight. performance raises doubts such advanced. technology would suggest a significant. leap Beyond publicly known capabilities. which is inconsistent with current. engineering. limits sensor anomaly or perception. issues then yeah yeah yeah I asked the. heads of Arrow if they could explain. that one and they said no if no type. this.

in really good case if. all. accounts of the. capabilities of the Tic Tac. craft are true. what are the. possibilities that it came from another.

planet if the counts capabilities are. accurate instantaneous acceleration. Hypersonic speeds without V propulsion. no heat say it loud so people can hear. you okay so if the accounts of the Tic. Tacs crap's capabilities are accurate. instantaneous acceleration Hypersonic. speeds without visible propulsion no. heat signatures and Defiance of inertia. than the possibility the possibilities. of orig origin being extraterrestrial or.

from another planet become a viable. hypothesis here's why the physics of the. Tic Tac craft reported Behavior the. craft suggests technology that operates. beyond our current understanding of. physics and propulsion systems no. visible propulsion it implies propulsion. system unrelated to Conventional Jets or. Rockets instantaneous acceleration Vis. inertia in Newtonian physics achieving. this would require manipulating gravity. or SpaceTime itself silent operation no. Sonic booms despite Hypersonic speeds.

points to a technology that likely. emanates eliminates air resistance such. as surrounding itself in an. electromagnetic field or bubble this. level of technological advancement far. surpasses anything developed on Earth if. true such capabilities would suggest a. highly Advanced civilization per perhaps. thousands or millions of years ahead of. us scientifically. if true where do you think it came. from this was 20 years ago that it had. to say I know but if true where do you. think it came from if it how about this.

it's still typing it's still typing. Jesus Christ giv you that final thoughts. look at this writing a whole turn paper. on this yeah it's amazing how fast it. does it too it's amazing how fast it. does it wow Tic Tac if the Tic Tac UAP. is real and the accounts are accurate. then its origin may very well be. extraterrestrial or involve unknown. physics and technology that we haven't. begun to comprehend the extraordinary. nature of the case suggests an equally. extraordinary. explanation what do you think why you.

asking me [ __ ] you're chat GB does. extraterrestrial visitation seem. plausible or is there another. explanation that resonates more with you. so type this I. believe it seems plausible that they are. extraterrestrial in nature. good luck I was going to say that's good. if true comma if. true where do you think they came.

from let's. see identifying where they might come. from involves exploring nearby Stellar. systems known exoplanets and plausible. scientific ideas about Interstellar. travel here are the most likely. possibilities nearby star systems with. habitable zones. Alpha centuri system 4.37 light years. away closest star system to Earth. Proxima. centuri uh potentially habitable planet. exoplanet ex uh orbiting proximus andar.

within the habitable zone if life. developed there might be technologically. advanced enough for Interstellar. exploration Bernard so it's giving me a. list of all the potenti possibilities. possible star systems this one's only 39. light years away what was the closest. one Al Al centu was at was that four. light years or something I don't know. scroll back up scroll back up a little. bit said 3.9 3.9 million 4.3 ala centuri. 4.3 light years CL wow but here's the. crazy part pretty close you remember the.

remember the twin paradox Theory they. say that if you get like two twins right. as kids say one's 10 they're both 10. right and you put one in a spaceship. that travels a speed of light for one. year he would come back with an atomic. clock on board that spacecraft a year. old or CB 11 and his brother would be an. old man mhm I can't wrap my mind around. that right but that's but they say it's. pretty much fact but that's speed right.

I think what we're talking about is. different than speed I think it's. instantaneous instantaneous relocation. right so I think in yeah I think instead. of like manipulate the space time. between the two points right so I think. the idea is that instead of a rocket. that goes you know 5 million miles an. hour just shoots off of Earth and keeps. going until it you know 5 million years. from now it runs into this planet I I. think it's different than that I think. what if I had to guess where something. can manipulate gravity and space what it.

would do is. instantaneously appear in these new. places like you've talked to a lot of. physicists about this kind of stuff huh. I have and the way they explain it is. baffling and Bob lazzar's version of it. is baffling because Bob lazar's version. of it that he told in. 1989 kind of makes sense when you talk. to people that are trying to develop. some sort of a gravity or a warp drive. right and the way bobazar explained it.

is that this element when bombarded with. radiation creates this I really. butchering it for sure uh creat some. sort of a gravity field that allows it. the way he described it like if you took. a mattress a very soft mattress and put. a very heavy bowling ball in the middle. of the mattress it pushes the mattress. down to that area and that this like. folds time right so you go from here to. here but when you stretch it down. suddenly those two points connect it. folds it yeah and so wherever it is it's.

it's here so it's not like it's going a. million light years so it's a million. light years an hour yeah space is. malleable exactly it's just well it. makes sense if if you think about how. technology scales yeah and if we do I. mean Ryan brought up this yesterday as. well that there was research and there. was Papers written about the idea of. having some sort of a gravity drive or. having some sort of a gravity propulsion. system something that doesn't rely on.

conventional you know Rockets pushing. gases back exactly and he said that this. was something that was discussed a long. time ago but then it just stopped then. you know we brought it up a long quite a. while ago there was an episode that we. brought up a paper that was written in. the. 1960s about gravity drives was that by. hell put off I do not know cuz he's like. a propulsion expert in terms of the. propulsion behind the physics behind. UFOs and he tried to I tried to get him. to explain it to me in sort of. conventional layman terms and of course.

my tiny little brain but he I I felt. like I almost grasped it for a moment. but the time the amount of power that it. would take to to create that. gravitational field around the object. and he said that's why you see them. doing these Maneuvers that look like a. defy physics right and then everything. inside the craft would just splatter um. it that that you're immune from that on. the inside according which also would. make sense physicist what am I talking. about but that would also make sense if. you had something like that that you. could go in the ocean as well right yeah.

so because whatever is around you. wouldn't matter CU you're not affected. by it right you're somehow creating a. field around that's it's that's immune. to whatever that would be the only thing. that would make sense how it could move. so fast under water atmosphere space. water and how it would be transm medium. it can go from space into the water it's. unaffected by gravity it's unaff. affected by all the things around it. creates its own gravity field and allows. it to just pass through things I. remember uh Kirk McConnell who sent an. armed service committee who investigated. UFOs from 2017 I talked about them.

earlier but he said that they were. picking up agis radar systems were. picking these objects up from basically. from space and they were shooting down. from space all the way down they loiter. for as long as they wanted to go in the. water come back out again shoot back up. into space and they would just do it. like you know all day long and there was. nothing well we can't see that right and. if someone does have I mean if there's. someone in the military that does have. some like super Advanced satellite.

reconnaissance imagery of these things. um I could see why they would hold that. back I could see why they would think. that people aren't ready for that I I. could see it do you think Elon knows. he's real Cy about it he is ky about it. and he's got deals with the dod and he's. got sat and everything that's probably. why I'd be KY about it too knows more. than what he's saying this is what he. said if aliens are real they're very. subtle that's what he was saying I was. like I don't know if they're subtle man. the Phoenix Lights wasn't that subtle.

that's aliens I heard from some people. around him that that because of his. contracts with DOD that he kind of keeps. quiet about it because I'm sure. everybody talks about I mean even. Ratcliffe talked about the satellite. imagery for of UAP I mean if they're. picking it up why wouldn't his systems. pick it up he hasn't said a peep about. the Drone thing and you haven't asked. him about it nope if he wants to tell me. he'll tell me I'm not going to be that. guy I'm not going to be annoying but. publicly like on X has he said anything. about the. drones he said something a couple weeks.

ago I believe I think it was a couple. weeks ago I'll check right now but is uh. like there's a big drone storm or a big. drone fight coming and people are taking. that as like he knew this was happening. a big drone fight. coming well you know he's um been real. public about the idea that building. manned fighter jets is at at this point. kind of foolish you know and he's I. think he's correct um you know so. unpiloted only yeah I mean I think takes. the fun out of it well it takes the. biological mistakes out of it is what it.

does right it takes the human mind out. the human mind is very fallible you know. we already know that AI systems like. Mike Baker explained to us that AI. systems with fighter jets beat actual. fighter jet Pilots 100% of the time so. when they have these simulated yes when. they have these simulated dog fights. when they take AI fighter jets that we w. have right now they beat our fighterjet. Pilots the best of the best 100% of the. time so they don't have any biological. limitations in terms of what what they.

deal forces yeah don't so you have that. right so all you have to do is make the. equipment and the materials uh robust. enough so they can take insane speeds. and not blow apart but it certainly. would be way easier to do that than it. would be to get a human being to be safe. in it so much less badass though. recently so what does he he saying oh so. he quicked on it future Wars are all. about drones and Hypersonic Jets so this. is us talking about that this is us. talking about uh fighterjet Pilots by. humans will be destroyed very quickly so.

he talked about it so he put a clip Up. of us talking about it on the podcast. this was in November November 28th and. so uh neither side is air superiority. and tanks are easily destroyed by. missiles so that leaves infantry and. artillery basically World War I drones. are not yet available in sufficient. numbers to matter much like aircraft in. World War I a defense in-depth trench. war means and then some mon example that. was like two years ago so did you get. the impression when you spoke to Elon. about UFOs that he knew more than he was.

telling you you said he's KY yeah he. doesn't he he doesn't even entertain the. idea of UFOs so if you bring up the. fraver incident he'll just say no it. didn't happen or that's it doesn't seem. interested I don't know I mean I would. imagine what you're saying is true that. it's not wise for him to discuss it. that's what I would imagine yeah if he. wants to tell me he'll tell me and if he. wants me to tell no one I'll tell no one. yeah if he wants to tell me and say. don't tell anybody I'll I won't tell. anybody but I'm not going to ask him I I. think his position as you know being the.

guy at SpaceX yeah why would you [ __ ]. around with that he's got too much at. stake yeah it's way too much at stake. also like if anybody's going to find out. he's going to find out if there there's. something going on if something. legitimately going on uh the guy who can. catch Rockets with a crane he that's the. guy he's going to know I thought the. first time I saw saw that was like AI. generator I was I was watching the thing. come down and I just thought that's the. ones that land before that those were. insane and now you can catch them they. don't even have to land it's nuts like. what he's done is just accelerate what.

we are are capable of doing far beyond. what NASA was able to do just a few. years ago so I used I used to have a. neighbor that worked for Elon Musk and. he drove at Tesla way early way early on. when Teslas weren't you know that many. out there and I was like well you got a. Tesla he's like yeah I actually work for. y l m blah blah blah and I saw him a. couple years later I was like Hey you're. not driving Tesla anymore he goes no he. goes I I I don't work for Elon anymore I. was like oh I'm sorry to hear that what. happened he goes he goes well he's he. works so hard and his expectations are.

so high he goes I was at the hospital. with my wife giving as she was giving. birth to her first child and elon's like. I need you in the office oh Jesus Christ. he said he said he goes I I could I you. know a guy's got an an incredible worth. ethic work ethic but it was too much he. goes I'm at the hospital I don't care. where where you at you to work it's like. pretty brutal that's brutal wasn't he. sleeping in the he was sleeping in the. sure yeah he's uh sleeping working 16. hours a day and sleeping on the floor.

wow yeah that's commitment well he. demands that of other people too and you. know maybe you want that maybe you don't. and if you don't you can't work there. it's just that simple like if you want. that hop on in if you're a single guy. and you don't have a wife and you don't. have children but if you do oh boy. that's not a life for that's not for me. I wouldn't want that job I think the. closest thing to a spaceship on Wheels. is a Tesla oh they're amazing pretty. remarkable I've had three of them this. is my third the acceleration is Inc like. a gut Punch Yeah and they're getting.

better they're getting the the. autonomous driving is incredible now I. remember once somebody said to me they. were like you know step on the you know. show me the acceleration and I I stepped. on it a model 3 Performance um and uh. seems fake I got nauseous yeah I I. wasn't quite ready I was like I turned. myself a little sideways or something I. I felt. I was like wow I'm I'm ride motorcycles. I've been doing all this was like you. know but I like now I prepare myself for. that that's really fast that's super. bike fast it's crazy fast and it can. actually the beautiful thing is you can.

merge on the highway and you don't seem. like a douchebag cuz you don't like it's. not like really loud to super quiet all. stealthy yeah it's all a sudden it's. going 100 miles an hour like what. happened yeah I remember I got a ticket. years ago on a motorcycle and the guy. that bought the bike was had a lat. exhaust pipe which I ended up getting. rid of I didn't like the lat exhaust. pipe it's too loud and got pulled over. and the cop never even saw me he just. heard me and he wrote me up exactly how. fast I was going he's like you're doing. 90 to 35 I'm like I was he was like oh. yeah I could hear you I was like I went.

up through the gears and I put a quiet. so yeah that's uh quiet is nice quiet. has its benefits it well it doesn't in a. motorcycle though you want to be loud. don't ha you that's true but I drive. like the Invisible Man when I'm on a. motorcycle you have to yeah I've had. people look me right in the eyes and. they pulled right out in front of me. people want toon sideswiped and also. people are like how many people are. medicated I don't think they see you as. a threat I think they see as like you're. Al almost like a gnat or something I've. learned and I tell people that ride. Motors I've been riding bikes for 50.

years as soon as you get on that bike. you become the Invisible Man right right. pretend no one gets pend that no one can. see you you'll live a lot longer you can. make eye contact with somebody doesn't. mean they see you I've had people pull. out in front of me like I said I've been. T-boned and all kinds of crazy accents. over the years I wish they weren't so. dangerous cuz I would love to drive one. oh they're amazing I know you just had. like I said you just you know yeah until. you're not I had three friends I was I. was getting my motorcycle license so I. was doing it was a while ago 10 years so. it was a couple of us that worked on. Fear Factor a couple of the guys that.

worked on set we all decided to go and. take lessons together and uh shout out. to Peter hko and uh he wound up getting. his motorcycle he kept driving it and uh. but one of the guys we worked with he. crashed his bike and [ __ ] up his. shoulder and then one of the guys who. was fighting for the UFC uh Frank me he. got hit by car he got uh T-boned and ran. into his femur snapped his femur and he. almost lost his leg his leg was and it. [ __ ] up his career for years so there. was that and then um I saw a guy on the.

highway that was covered in a uh blanket. oh God yeah he was alive uh you can see. but his his leg was so [ __ ] up that. they covered in a blanket so the passer. by wouldn't rubber necket there's three. of those and then another friend of mine. saw someone get hit saw someone get rear. ended someone not paying attention in. their car rear ended the bike and had. the guy flying through the air at a red. light so that was enough for me yeah I. know I became a dad and I had two. motorcycles right before I became a dad. and I sold them and then after 10 years.

I was like maybe I can get just like a. dirt bike cuz I really enjoy riding. there's nothing like it being on a. motorcycle so imagine if you get a dirt. bike and then a mount line takes you out. God damn it I have a dirt bike with a. motor yeah but even with a motor I don't. know if a mountain line would be scared. of a motor yeah i' be able to out run it. but time they get bicyclers most of the. time they kill bicyclers it's it's nuts. yeah so so let me ask your honest. opinion I know we're wrapping up here.

okay if you had to say whether you. believed or you didn't believe and look. you can't make any definitive statements. I get that but you're a very influential. individual who's done more for the push. for disclosure I hate use the word. disclosure it's got a bit of a buzz a. bit of a connection to it uh push for. government transparency on this topic. right um if you had to say something. truly inexplicable that most likely. would lead to nhi or non-human. intelligence or not conventional what.

would you pick ultimately that you think. there is possibly a non-human. intelligence behind this or that there. is not I wish I could be definitive like. that I know you can't be definitive I. don't I try to I try to stay as. open-minded on this as possible which. means I fluctuate back and forth to. fully believe from fully believing to. fully believing it's some military. experiment and it's a bunch of our stuff. but then there's stories like the things. like the Tic Tac and the where you go. okay 2004 how how do they how could they.

do that in 2004 is there a propulsion. system available in 2004 that's that far. Advanced and if so how come there's so. little evidence of it in like in and a. practical use like how come that. technology you would think that. technology would take so much money to. develop that you would do something with. it in 20 years you wouldn't just have it. and just be flying around like a drone. every now and again it would seem like. there would be some sort of a practical. application for something like that and.

it would seem like like the Manhattan. Project and like the stealth bommer. eventually you find out that it's a real. thing right so 20 years is a long time. to not find out that something's real. well how about how about if we take it. up to a lot longer than that what about. the 1952 two consecutive week in July. over the White House in the capital and. uh that was we had a press conference. about that guy in general that basically. admit that they're real Kenneth Arnold. you know that was phenomenal and then.

you got to go to the bagavat G you know. like there's there's stories of things. the historical stuff is incredible isn't. it like think of the guy that showed up. with the blue skin is that an angel is. that a devil like what if if you were. living 4,000 years ago you're one of the. people that wrote The Dead Sea Scrolls. he be a God yeah what is that what what. is that visitation that you've. experienced with a craft it would be it. would be connected with a God right. right and also the story when you tell. the story like what is this like and. then someone illustrates it what does it.

even how does it even relay in words. especially you're using the words of. 4,000 years ago what what are you. describing and if they really have. always been here and they've always been. visiting us that's probably how you. would describe it you would describe it. like Ezekiel did in the Bible yeah you. know I was in Africa investigating the. the alleged land and close en kind of. the Third Kind at Ru Zimbabwe aerial. School in 1994 I wasn't there in '94 I. was there much later and the teacher. Judy Bates who's now the head principal.

and uh she was sharing with me these. drawings that children did of the. alleged creatures and they were amazing. these drawings big eyes and um big heads. almond shaped eyes blah blah blah and. I'm looking at these drawings one after. the other from all these school children. it was phenomenal and she gave no I took. photographs of them and then a month. later I went to Australia and I was. inves investigating an alleged Landing. that happened at westall Primary School. in. 1966 and uh that was that was incredible. I was there investigating and I was.

showing some of the drawings of the. aliens that I the alleged aliens that I. just had investigated in Africa and uh. some of the people were like oh wow. these drawings are amazing they look. like the WAN Gina cave art I was like. the what the WAN Gina cave art the. aboriginals Drew these things and so. they pulled it up Wan Gina and the the. parallel they're thousands of years old. right right these cave paintings in in. Australia the parallels the. consistencies the it was the comparison. of the two was like let's take a look at. those real quick yeah look up one one.

that before we leave cave painting uh. UFO or alien one one most likely. something there I just don't know and if. it's a thing so let's say if it's a real. thing is it from another planet or is it. more complicated than that I think it's. more complicated than that yeah well. that's yes yeah very bizar right I mean. look that right there with the dark. bizarre look at the three of them in. that the one in the center Jamie yeah. that one look how weird that is man. that's so [ __ ] weird look at the one. with the dark black eyes right there how.

pale they are too it's like yeah it's. very weird and then there's that one. with the big with the big dark eyes. right down just go straight down up down. yeah right up to the right right there. look at that very weird very weird and. it's also very weird how this is 4,000. years old and then close of the Third. Kind the 1970s 4,000 years old and I'm. telling you I could show you the. drawings uh one of the witnesses. um um very weird yeah it's just it's.

just phenomenal listen ma thank you for. everything thanks thanks for what you do. thank you so much for having me on my. pleasure I mean you your [ __ ] doggy. determination to get this stuff out. there it's very important you promise. you'll watch the program I will 100%. watch it definitely I will will thank. you sir awesome brother appreciate you. James thank you very much much you it's. on Amazon the program uh and then uh. moment of contact is probably available. everywhere right and the phenomenon yeah.

I know what I saw out of the blue okay. 50 years of denial oh my God it goes. back yeah you've been you you're you've. been deep in this rabbit hole for a long. time sir Thanks James I appreciate you. very much all right bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].