Joe Rogan Experience #2232 - Josh Brolin

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day hey oh Little Bo Peep she needed the. money oh. oh how remember how great that was man. oh yeah when I first met him it was like. one of those weird things where you know. you know I mean you've met a lot of. famous people some of them you meet them. you're like [ __ ] really.

weird oh there bummer too yeah the. bummer ones that sucks when you meet. someone they suck like oh no you suck I. know exactly some people just just not. talk they should only do what they do. act and sing but then you get to know. them like I don't know like I'm pretty. good at this now where you don't where. you see people that you like looked up. to like Eddie veter I had a pretty close. relationship with Ed ver yeah but I was. drinking and then I would grab his balls. do [ __ ] like that and then it was like I. don't want him around.

I don't want Josh around yeah I don't. like that anymore I don't want my you. know and I think Sean pen appreciated. [ __ ] like that like wow somebody has the. balls it's not even a little chaos it's. like somebody has the balls to like call. me on my [ __ ] like not everybody's. afraid of me oh right yeah he's probably. used to people constantly being afraid. of him yeah like oh I can't [ __ ] with. him right well he does wild [ __ ] like. when he went down to [ __ ] Mexico and. met with El Chapo like Jesus Christ. Christ dude that's a [ __ ] you know.

and I do think that that's organic but I. think that that's also you just have. that thing where you just go you know. what shit's getting boring the weather's. just too [ __ ] nice here weather's too. nice I'm too famous let's go meet a. Monster yeah let's go [ __ ] some [ __ ] up. let's do something let's do something. big let's do something going to resonate. for at least a year yeah that whole El. Chapel thing was so crazy though because. that kind of is one of the things that. got him caught it it was yeah yeah.

because they you know they track your. cell phone data they know where you go. and if you're bringing your [ __ ] cell. phone you're basically bringing a. tracking device to to go find one of the. most notorious gangsters alive today the. most not I mean who who who was the guy. with the football team back in the day. like the Pablo Escobar think about it. it's our days this time's Pablo Escobar. yeah and Sean Penn go and hangs out who. SPI. goes you know what man hey who wants to.

come with me and find this [ __ ]. did he go solo I don't I think so I. think he went solo well he knew that. lady who was like a reporter you know. there was like this really hot Mexican. reporter Mexican girl yeah yeah he knew. her was you dating her I don't know but. uh I think she had a thing with El Chapo. after that no like did sea introduce. them properly I don't know I think he. knew her and she knew him she knew El. Choo oh right that's how God that was.

the Conn and El Chapo was like I like. the meat SPI yeah like meat I love. you you know I really enjoyed you in. colors and then next thing you know. what's the most dangerous thing that you. do now what do you think dangerous yeah. like we're talking about Sean going out. on a limb do you find it necessary to go. out and do things that like challenge. you in a way yes challenge your psyche. yes in what way uh elk hunting is.

probably the most exciting what is elun. elk hunting why because it puts you in. danger well no it's just really. difficult you know you're bow hunting in. the mountains right and it's just you in. the mountains and just [ __ ] Mountain. you stay up there for days and days and. days and do you quarter your your kill. pack it out yeah see that's a different. thing you know people say I don't I. don't like personally I like I grew up. in a very red part of California. everybody hunts that I grew up with and. I would shoot I would hunt with my dad.

and I would like [ __ ] think about it. and dream about it for 3 weeks oh yeah I. love it I love it I love eating no no no. I'm saying that I would like Spiral oh. you would get Negative with it not even. it was neg yeah I guess it would be. negative but it would like made me think. of like the kids that were going like. Mom Mom are you there and I just killed. the mother it's like the Bambi kind of. thing right but I eat meat mhm so that. hypocritical thing of like I don't want. to kill anything but I want you to kill.

it for me so I can eat it cuz I really. like the way it tastes well that's the. an anthropomorphization of animals that. Disney has kind of done uh a number on. people with you know like Bambi and Yogi. Bear and all that kind of [ __ ] cartoons. and teddy bears and we have a very you. know living. in when you live in urban areas and. cities and people you know streets and. concrete and people just get a very. distorted idea of Nature and our. relationship with nature.

and when you're a kid and you're just. these are sweet cute things and then all. of a sudden you're you're supposed to go. murder one like it's all [ __ ] up it's. right but it's what's [ __ ] up is the. cartoons I mean they're cute and. everything because they depict it in a. way how well it's just completely. distorted you have these animals that. are talking to each other and the. hunters are always [ __ ] and like if. it wasn't for hunters there would be no. humans we'd have never made it this far. if we were all just eating [ __ ]. tubers and grapes and [ __ ] we would have.

never made it do you like garbanzo beans. they're not bad I don't prefer have you. ever hunted one no it's [ __ ] wild how. do you do that you get you take a bunch. of acid you take a bunch of. acid it's possible yeah what what about. the sexual connotations of Disney like. you know did you ever hear that thing. that Disney Walt Disney had like the. biggest porn collection of all time. really that's what I heard I don't know. how much of it is true you know have you. ever seen how there's like the rod. Stuart thing and there's the you know.

what I mean I don't know right I don't. know how much Google Jamie did Walt. Disney have a gigantic porn collection I. wouldn't be surprised a lot of people. that are like really into kids stuff and. like sweet wholesome stuff they did they. have that other kind of slant yeah they. need something or eventually flip maybe. maybe it's a cover or maybe it's like. they're so cutesy with the [ __ ]. completely wholesome stuff that they. have to balance it out with some bondage.

[ __ ] [ __ ] up [ __ ] guys getting kicked. in the nuts ball why is it that people. feel that people in Hollywood and Texans. are like that like I know people that. have moved to Texas and they and they've. called me there was one guy that I used. to work out with in. Venice and he started he moved here and. he called me and he'd be like hey man. you know the list is coming out and I'd. go what list and he goes you know the. list the list and I go am I on the list. oh no and he goes no you're clean you're. good but I know you know who's on the.

list I'm glad I know I didn't do. anything wrong even though I didn't do. anything wrong and I said but why are. you for two like a twofold thing why are. you under the impression that everybody. in Hollywood lives under the same roof. like we all live in the same apartment. complex it's they it's they yeah they. it's they they are out there they are. out there doing that thing yeah and then. what would why how could you possibly. think that that a guy who's a trainer at. Golds and Venice would have the.

list why was he chosen well he goes on. Reddit go that's how you get the list. that's how you get the list that's how. you get the list I still am waiting for. the list yeah I think I'm going to see. him when I'm when I'm here we started. communicating again well we have things. like the Epstein Client List that. doesn't get released then it fuels these. kind of conspiracy theories about there. being a list so why is that list not. released that's a very good question. list well for sure someone has the list. glain Maxwell's in jail right so she.

must have talked like there must have. been conversations and there must be a. bunch of very powerful people that are. on that list and you know are all the. powerful people in cahoots was something. that I learned like when I played when I. played W I played a senator what was. that like did that what is it like. playing a guy who's still alive did you. meet with him hang out with him at all. SC scary I mean it it no I wanted to did. you ever meet. him no God that's weird right I had the. opportunity to meet him.

afterwards and and there was something. about him that was more remember when he. was like giving candy to Michelle Obama. and all that and it was like a really. friendly kind of a mischievous thing and. I was like I would like to meet him and. then I saw his paintings of his dogs and. I said I don't want to meet him I just. don't like it was something attractive. for a moment I was that got you I don't. know and I love paintings I don't know. what it was but you didn't like the. paintings I no it's not that I didn't. like the paintings there something in.

the paintings there was I don't know. what it was you know something in the. paintings is I killed a million people. with fake weapons of mass destruction. you know there was we had a fake story. and I used that story to justify an. invasion of a country and now a million. people are dead so that's the question. and I'm haunted every night paint dogs. that are staring like that this episode. is brought to you by zip recruiter it. takes a lot of hard work to put this. show together which is why I'm grateful. for the small circle of people that work. behind the scenes a team effort is what.

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paintings it's so funny that guy must be. medicated they must put him on some. things so he could sleep is that that. look does he put into his dog's eyes the. look that he has always or at least that. he feels that he has like there's a. haunted his lens his real look behind. his eyes yeah how he sees the world how. he's experien what is it like running. around knowing that you did that not. just that you did that but that there's. no culpability like no one went to jail. for that no one even got brought up on.

charges well that's what I was bringing. up because when I would meet these. people I would you know I went to the. senate floor and I met a lot of these. people and then I met a lot of rich. people which is when I met Trump. actually the 21 Club back when I knew a. lot about him I was fascinated by the. whole what's the 21 Club 21 Club was a. place that he used to go a lot and it. was like you know yeah you have a chance. to meet this billionaire this. billionaire and Trump tet Eyes Wide Shut. type [ __ ] yeah so he uh what was I going. to say is he oh meeting these people.

especially getting them drunk you know. where people get super honest right you. know where they go you know you know. what man I trust you I trust you and. you're like here it comes here it comes. whereas before that they were like you. know I'm not sure and I just what I. think is you know and then they finally. go I just [ __ ] her I [ __ ] her I I. could you know you're like oh or they. tell you what's going on but the thing. that I learned and I'm really curious. about like what we were talking about. Hollywood and the perception of them all.

being in it together is don't you think. the rivalries and all that not entirely. but that all politicians are basically. under the same roof they all know what. each other's doing and that there's more. of an agenda of power to keep the. public thinking a certain way well. there's brainwash there's certainly a. benefit to that of course there is yeah. there's a benefit to that and then. there's also the the the underlying. factor is money of course like there's. so much money and influence there's so.

many special interest groups there's so. many lobbyists there me so many massive. corporations that are donating to. campaigns yeah so there's there's always. going to be this desire to sort of color. a certain life pacify yeah yeah for sure. and then treat you like you're a baby so. they can continue making insane amounts. of money like if you're someone like. Nancy Pelosi and you're worth hundreds. of millions of dollars and you make. $170,000 a year and there's no [ __ ]. explanation yeah like just that alone.

like you have to kind of keep people in. the dark you have to kind of like keep. dancing and yeah otherwise you're going. to jail like someone's going to start. investigating and they got to go what. you did is not legal and you're going to. be in real. trouble how you what's your relationship. like with money in what way just in what. you you made a certain amount of money. for a long time I don't think about it. you don't think about it no no what I. like about money is to not think about. it that's what I like do you like. spending it I like buying stuff me too I. have a nice car drove here I drove a 69.

Camaro see but that's different I like. that that's [ __ ] different that's. character I like fun stuff but fun stuff. for the most part I'm not interested in. it like as a goal you know I just I what. I like about money is not having to. think about it my friend Brian K said. this to me once he said he goes real. freedom is when you can go to a. restaurant and not worry about anything. costs he's like everything else is. [ __ ] it is and it really is. everything else is [ __ ] when you can. just go to a restaurant. get a nice steak you know order a bottle.

of wine have a good time and not think. about the bill what I think happens is. is and be grateful for it and to remind. yourself to be that that that's exists. to be grateful for and not be taken. advantage of and I think that's one of. the hardest things about money SL power. is you start treating things as if. they're underneath you oo you know where. you go God I'm so glad I can go anywhere. in the world right now and get a meal. and I don't have to think about how am I. going to to pay for this am I going to.

be in debt on my credit card but when. you start saying excuse me oh I said I. said 24 degrees not 190 right read my. lip you know and you're like that's just. gross that's is gross but it happens. taking that's just taking advantage of. this relationship that everyone knows. where service people have to be nicer. than they really would be normally like. a regular person so people hoping for a. tip hoping for one of your many. hundreds thousands or hundreds of.

millions of dollars it's disgusting it's. a gross way to treat people but some. people want to get rich so they they. could do that to people maybe someone. did it to them when they were younger. and they like I can't wait to do this to. other people I mean when you said nice. car and you were like I thought you were. going to say I was like oh please no. like Lamborghini or no I don't have any. of those and then no I like muscle cars. I like old muscle cars that's my. favorite that's like me at 37. knucklehead and people say I was had an. affectation I know your friends mimoa or. whatever I go no man I've been riding.

motorcycles since I was three and a half. years old they're fun they're not only. fun there's something on a if you read. Zen in the-art of Motorcycle Maintenance. which is the only book that's ever been. written that's kind of gets close to the. kind of spiritual place if you're a true. motorcyclist whether you're riding with. your son or whether you're riding with a. grid of guys or whatever that. beautiful thunderous hum when you're in. a when you're in a group of guys who. really know what they're doing and.

you're an absolute [ __ ] sink and yes. your arms are up here and your arms are. pretty numb at that point but you're. [ __ ] soaring you're an eagle on a. [ __ ] jet stream you ever heard Hunter. S Thompson and you know that documentary. they did Gonzo yeah like that that in. the documentary the very beginning he. talks about riding a. motorcycle Coast Highway remember I. don't remember that oh it's [ __ ]. great see if you can find that he he he. talks about riding a motorcycle about. like that the the the line begin to blur.

and you just you're just on the edge and. how alive you are it's a [ __ ] we. don't have to get into this book right. away but there was I wrote they came to. me it's the only story that I wrote that. somebody asked me to write for the book. and they were like well you really into. motorcycles why don't you write a story. about motorcycles and I tried and it was. just bad and bad and everything I wrote. was like so forced and [ __ ] and. finally I said I can't do it I'm not. going to write it and the minute I said. I'm not going to do this I started. writing which just kind started to come. out and it's good do you write by hand I.

do yeah mostly do you feel more of a. connection when you write by not why I. do it cuz write any which way whether. it's on the phone whether you know I. remember people saying like I I write. you know by hand I handr write because. it's it's the way it used to be and I. was like yeah also used to be under. candl light which [ __ ] your eyes up. know also be used to be people had. slaves paint on caves and [ __ ] why don't. you go paint on a cave tell me a story. try to get it published yeah get a witch. doctor take care your broken leg I care.

how it comes out I think real writing is. anywhere anytime however you can get it. out I don't think there's a muse that's. needed I think it's work man it is work. I think the Muse is. like it's it's a concept right have you. ever read pressfield's the war of art. yeah of course great book great book I. think he's right though when he says you. summon the Muse when you sit down to. work but that's also just like an. intention thing like you have so much. time and effort put on a and when you do. that your mind gets more in sync with.

creativity but if you treat it like it's. a muse it actually does work like if you. show up every day and like say click pay. respect to the Muse I'm sitting here and. I'm ready to write and I'm a. professional and I'm ready to go and. treat it like you're summoning the The. Muse it actually works it there actually. is an effect that happens I don't know. if there's an actual Muse but you can. understand why someone would think that. there's a muse because yeah but why do. people chant why do people meditate why.

do people that that's the Muse whatever. the Muse is it's like talking about God. what's God I don't know it depends on. who you're talking to yeah God is a. feeling God is something that that. [ __ ] thing that keeps you inspired it. keeps the gasoline at a high octane well. it's something that that's how I see it. it's something that gets you away from. your ego like with writing something. that gets you away from your ego and. into your mind into your Consciousness. into like your your perceptions of. things your ability to express it and. it's just a it's a focus thing and the.

more you focus on it the more that. muscle grows the more you get adapted to. it because your ego is worried about how. people are going to perceive you and. that's not right you're riding for. somebody El you want to look cool people. are like [ __ ] yeah I read that book that. you wrote man holy [ __ ] I had no idea. you're amazing that's the grossest. conversation ever cocktail party in. Hollywood some guy comes up to you and. tells you you're amazing you are a. genius I and it's. so Inc I had no idea D meanwhile that.

guy's trying to sell you on some. multi-level marketing scheme or. something there's something he's trying. to tap into you with I want to buy that. book I want to option your book want to. turn it into a [ __ ] I also have a. script I'd love you to see. yeah what's it is it a Disney is it. about is about animals talking I really. love about living in Texas is there's no. Hollywood there's no show business I. don't have to deal with any of these. people with like alternative agendas we. just moved to we just I want to go back. to that but we just moved to Santa.

Barbara Santa bar is awesome Santa bar. it's funny why does everybody [ __ ]. think that it is awesome I love it out. there so pretty cuz it's beautiful cuz. it's beautiful what about the people. uh I'm not little elitist there's a lot. of elitist people a perfect place for me. so I grew up in Santa Barbara M I was in. pasel which is Ranch Country about 2. hours above Santa Barbara and then we. moved to Santa Barbara when I was 11 and. it was monoco but it was a very.

different monoco like yes there were a. couple rich people yes my dad was doing. okay by then he had done Marcus wellby. he did uh at that time he did Amityville. Horror so he had a little bit of money. but we bought you know what would now be. a $35 million home in monoco right he. bought for. $600,000 same [ __ ] house right you. know what I mean so it was a different. mono and then whatever you know group I. I grew up with but I went to the point. is I went to jail there a lot. just did I just liked it instead instead.

of the museum I went to jail I was like. no Mom I'm going to go to jail today um. and. then so in La Venice Beach I love Venice. Beach but Venice Beach has even changed. you know you used to know everybody and. everybody kind of coexisted beautifully. and and then Venice Beach changed it got. totally randomly violent being little. kids very dangerous little kids okay so. we moved to Malibu we're close to lared. I know l Gabby and all that thing but it.

never landed so we were always talking. about moving even though we're kind of. building a house and we're finalizing. everything we're always talking we talk. about Texas my mom's from Texas we were. talking about East Coast we were talking. about Europe all these places but never. Santa Barbara I would never move back to. Santa Barbara Because by the way honey. if we move to Santa Barbara which you. love so much and you think it's so. beautiful our little girls will. eventually for sure go to prison. that was in my mind why because in my.

mind I built totally huh most of my. friends that grew up in Monas seed are. dead like 36 out of 50 really yeah oh. yeah yeah they all died what heroin. epidemic punk rock oh God driving. accidents 36 out of 50 out of 50 wow. best friend Jason Sears who was the lead. singer of rich kids on LSD RK which was. a big Punk ban that influenced a bunch. of people Nirvana you know Pearl Jam all. these people rich kids on LSD is a great. name for a look it up can you look it up.

Jason Sears rich kids on LSD we got a. tattoo at the same time I got a tattoo. from Freddy NG grety that's gone now. because I removed it but it was a big. Jesus with blood coming out of the hands. and Jason that same night got the same. night got eat [ __ ] on his ass see if you. can find Jason's ass that says eat [ __ ]. on. it wow you're GNA put that in Jason. Sears eat [ __ ]. yeah where is it oh you got to just keep.

looking yeah it'll be there so why was I. Oh So. eventually when we finally said look. we're not moving we should be grateful. we're not grateful enough that's the. problem we're not grateful enough but. Malibu just didn't kind of sit and then. one day I'm what didn't you like about. Malibu I love Malibu it's just remote. you know like we already are remote in. pasoel we have a place in pasoel a place. where I grew up not the ranch I grew up. it's about 3 m down the road but that's. remote and a remote that I love I love.

remote but I love extremes I don't want. to be sort of next to Santa Monica and. it's 20 mil away and it takes 2 and a. half hours to get there right you and I. were talking about that I don't want to. sit in traffic for half my life right I. just don't want to if I'm going to be. somewhere I want to be somewhere so. Santa Barbara represented a place where. you kind of had your own piece of. property but everything was 10 minutes. away you got dance class for the girls. you got soccer you got this right you. know you know what I mean yeah yeah so.

that was the thing but but never I never. was I going to go back to Santa Barbara. I finally put on Zillow Santa Barbara. one house came up and that's the house. that we bought and it was Joe Walsh's. old house oh wow which is amazing that's. incredible incredible which iok and I. asked. him anyway I have to finish the story is. that I was so freaked. out about moving up to Santa Barbara I. still hadn't made the kind of transition. that I contracted a mild case to Belle's. paly really yeah like literally was.

stressing out my wife was like you got. to and I'm not a stress guy and she was. like you got to Mell the [ __ ] out I'm. like yeah but you don't know what's. going to happen when we move up here. it's like it's going to be so your face. start life so literally I'm washing my. face and I'm doing this and it just. started. going when when was. this four months ago okay that's a side. effect to the vaccine too that's one of. the side effects of covid-19 vaccines. I've also heard that speech impediments. have I've heard a lot of things kids. taking vaccines and things.

happening yeah yeah that vaccine in. particular that one the MRNA one yeah. yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I know quite a. few people that develop Bell's posy from. them well whatever you want to call it. are you serious yeah facial paralysis. yeah I know two people specifically. develop SP facial like droopy face. Wonder because when my older kids away. when my older kids were young there were. what 17 vaccinations and now that my. younger kids are young there's. 502 yeah yeah it's a series of them but.

it's ultimately 72 shots yeah yeah and. it's a scary Prospect man well the the. [ __ ] up thing is if you talk about it. you're an antivaxer and you're talk. that's a big one because they've done a. really good job of demonizing anyone who. questions yeah a medicine that might be. correlated with a bunch of [ __ ]. serious diseases yeah exactly and for. whatever reason profit they they've just. done a great job of iting people yeah. and scaring the [ __ ] out of people by.

labeling anybody who like look what they. did to Jenny McCarthy do you remember. when Jenny McCarthy had a kid and her. kid had autism and she thought that. autism had possibly come from vaccines. and they basically ran out of Hollywood. but why would they do that what's the. reason what do they benefit. money money during the uh Reagan. administration they uh the vaccine. companies pharmaceutical drug companies. that are making vaccines they said said. we are unable to make these vaccines if.

we're liable because if we're liable. there's too many lawsuits are going to. come our way because vaccines cannot be. completely safe and effective just by. virtue of the mechanism in which they. work you know you have an irritant you. have this uh this this virus this dead. virus your body sees the aluminum or. whatever it is it it reacts to that in a. negative way and it finds the dead virus. it develops antibodies just by the way. they work when you vaccinate a enormous.

amount of people you're going to have a. certain amount of people that have a. negative reaction if we have lawsuits. for every person that has a negative. reaction we're going to go out of. business so they made them immune they. made them immune and you know what. happened immediately they're like well. you need a vaccine for this and you need. to go vaccine for that. and hepatitis B vaccines babies right. when you're born why when you born why. when you're born you know there's also. doctors that say it doesn't even really. work for baby but what you're doing is. you're cons you're conditioning the.

parents to accept the fact that your. child is going to get regularly. vaccinated my doctor fortunately our. pediatrician wanted to put the kids on a. uh a different schedule a slower. schedule and he didn't want them to have. any vaccines until they were two you're. doctor in California yes and he but it. was not like a quack he was like I think. the way to do it I mean you have there's. a a schedule of vaccines your kids have. to get unless you have religious. exemption. not assault your children with a.

potential poison because everybody is. different if I take a bong hit I might. end up under the table if you take a. bong hit you actually may feel smarter. and clearer I remember Dean Potter who. was a climber and he was like I stopped. smoking pot for 4 months but when I. started smoking pot I could feel the. hold at 2,000 ft oh yeah sheer Cliff. nothing underneath no ropes but I felt. more confident and for me I go if I took. bong head up there I could be four feet.

up and be freaking out right it's. different for everybody cuz everybody. has different Brains it's like. psychopharmaceuticals let's just give. them all lithium or let's give them all. that you have to experiment the the idea. of experimenting with that [ __ ] is super. scary it is it is super scary and it's. also super scary when you're not liable. for any of the repercussions and you're. just pushing it on people because you're. a corporation and corporations just want. to make money their their thing is just. unlimited growth they just have a they.

have an obligation their shareholders. every quarter they want to make more. money and they just keep ramping it up. yeah remember SE Seinfeld talking about. that he was like I remember back in the. 70s in comedy you know green rooms and. all that and we'd all be [ __ ] with. each other and it had never had anything. to do with money because nobody was. really making money like money money. like tons of money it was just about. what set are you going to do what are. you trying out right right are you going. to fail are you not going to fail you.

know but it was this community again and. I think that things have grown into not. that I wanted to talk about this or they. even thought about it before but the. money thing is a very interesting thing. to me you know and if you want to take. it back to the book which we can talk. about later money is it's like the anti. celebrity it's like how do you stay. grounded how do you stay accountable and. why would you stay accountable because I. actually give a [ __ ] about people. instead of just being in it for myself. yeah and I think that's the. well I think one of the things that. happens to people with money is you.

didn't have money when you were young. now all a sudden you have money and you. get really scared about take it away. yeah you get scared it's going to go. away because now you realize oh my God. it's so much better to not have to worry. about your bills and so much better to. have some money to buy things totally. and then you start thinking only about. money and you start making decisions. only for money and then you go down the. weird road and it you know really. distorts artists it it it [ __ ] a lot of. people up you know you see it in a lot. of bands they start making like poppy.

songs when they used to be like raw and. gritty when they were younger they used. to be used to be like authentic and then. all a sudden they're making like theme. songs for films it's like weird [ __ ]. Romance songs like AOS Smith went. through a bunch of that [ __ ] totally. where to me as an Aerosmith you know. lover as a kid to see them you know go. from like dream on to like the [ __ ] they. were and I wonder with like drug. addiction and all that I wonder if. that's like if the parallel is I went. back to heroin at that point cuz I just.

couldn't [ __ ] deal do you know what I. mean I think it's when they get off. heroin and they start wanting to make. money how can I make I need to make some. money I spent all my [ __ ] money but. look at I wonder if there's any. connection like with remember Philip. Seymour Hoffman like one of the greatest. actors that ever lived and I've known. his mother since I was doing Theater in. Rochester New York was like a. 20-year-old 21-year-old and she would. come up to me and she' say I think. you're a fine actor I go oh thank you. very much and and she goes you know my. son just moved to New York he like he's. he wants to be an actor and I said oh.

what's his name Phil Phil's his name oh. well tell Phil good luck good luck to. Phil and the you know it's like every. anybody who wants to be an actor just. the odds of it happening is just not. going to happen and then Phil became. this guy 22 years of. sobriety who had an inkling in the. beginning and said you know what I don't. want this to control like my thing so. I'm not going to do it I'm going to give. everything I am to acting and I'm going. to try to make the best career theater.

career movie career. whatever and then you know and I again I. have it in the book where I see him on. the street and I'm crazy and I've gotten. into a fight with my wife and I'm. walking down Columbus Avenue and I have. cords on I have no shoes I have no shirt. on my way I'm out of my [ __ ] head and. I look to my left and I see Nick Noti at. a cafe and we lock eyes and I've never. met Nick Noti I've never seen him and it. will happen that I actually will have a. relationship with him later on but we.

lock eyes and the moment is he's seeing. in me what he used to be or seeing in me. what I'm to become I'm seeing in him. what I'm to become later right right. then I see Philip Seymour Offman who's. standing there talk I go hey Phil it's. Josh what's up you're doing so well man. [ __ ] good for you dude no shirt no no. shirt no shoes and he's standing there. with one foot pointed toward me and. another foot pointed in the direction.

that he wants to go you know how people. stand there and they're like good to see. you man yeah good good oh no now how is. that the guy that died of a heroin. overdose did he get. injured no no he just got back on it cuz. sometimes it what happens is uh people. get injured I know and they have surgery. and then they have back and then they. get on oyot Meo I know of people that. that that's kind of been the trajectory.

back pain nothing to me there's another. parallel and the parallel is I just want. to make money finally I'm sick of doing. Independence I'm sick of doing this and. not making any money and then you start. doing you know whatever he was Hunger. Games or and then you feel hollow and. then you want to feel we talking about. right you want to numb yourself up cuz. you feel like a [ __ ] you feel like a. [ __ ] it's like there's one thing about. like actually finding Solace and saying. hey man I'm older I'm going to do this. movie I get it I would like you know I. got College coming up for my kids and.

you justify it in a way that's okay and. then there's one thing about you've. identified yourself so much as an artist. that to release yourself from that. identity in other people's minds again. going back to the ego that you just just. [ __ ] you up just can't deal and then. you want to escape from your reality. exactly yeah you want to numb yourself. yeah well that is a real [ __ ] thing. man and if you've ever done a project. where it's like really I did a really. bad sitcom one. and uh I remember you acted it oh yeah.

yeah it was terrible and I remember. while I was doing it I was just. imagining like what if this is my life. what if this stupid piece of [ __ ] sitcom. goes for like 10 years and I have to. keep because there's sitcoms that. inexplicably are very successful or were. the '90s yeah and very successful and. they were terrible terrible they were. terrible but people love them well. people want to be eating ice cream they. just want to slack jaw sit in front of. the computer or whatever the TV and eat. SpaghettiOs just [ __ ] numb themselves. to some mundane [ __ ] and if you're.

doing that kind of a thing you live in. hell and a lot of those people that do. those things they wind up doing drugs. cuz they just feel very lost if you do. that and you're doing you live in hell. yeah you live in hell which it is to me. it crazy to a person listening oh you're. making $50,000 a week how you living. you're living in hell like what are you. talking about most people be like that's. great that would be amazing but if you. want to do a thing if like you want to. be a great comic or you want to be a. great actor and you're doing you have to. have incentive right you have to have.

you want you have to want to create. something really good and when you can't. create something really good and you're. just doing it for money you feel trapped. and you feel like [ __ ] and then you have. to reward yourself for this stupid. [ __ ] thing you do so what do you do. you go out and buy a nice Mercedes you. got a [ __ ] house in Malibu now you. have a large monthly nut that you have. to cover but when you take people over. your house like look how I'm living look. at this ocean view come on how much of. this house do you use nothing almost. nothing but I always say to my friends. my my young comic friends that are. coming up your house is just your house.

I I remember when I first got a nice. apartment when I moved to North. Hollywood in 1994 I got a loft apartment. and a pool table in it and a nice stereo. and I was like this is incredible I have. a nice apartment this is amazing and. then after a while it just became my. house became where I live and I realized. at that moment like oh this just it's. all the same feeling like all you need. in a house is it to be comfortable yeah. you need a TV and a kitchen it's not. supposed to It's supposed it's it's the. place that you sleep yeah it's a place.

where you Rel place where you live the. entirety of your life Rel you can relax. almost anywhere that's comfortable and. safe that's all you need and then. everything else is kind of [ __ ] yeah. it's kind of the things that you get for. your money it's like there's a lot of. things that people spend a lot of money. on and they're not really worth it you. don't really get anything out of it. that's why I was interesting walking in. here and you know man cave I hate that. [ __ ] term mancave man cave mhm you. know it's like gay cave you know well.

it's man cave because no woman would. ever let me decorate this place this way. but it's not that no woman wouldn't like. it I think there's there's well my wife. likes it when she comes here she doesn't. want to live in it she doesn't want to. live do you want to live in it no I. wouldn't want to live here well there. you go but I might if I was like a. single guy I might decorate my house. like this but it's things the point is. that there's things when I walked in. here it made me smile because I started. seeing things that Inspire and you like. to surround yourself like if somebody. comes in and does an interior design of. your office G GH yeah g and they go we.

we brought in this amazing fabric from. Paris and you go but I don't like it and. I remember when we were doing our house. we were like I said look man you can get. things from Target I don't want to feel. that people have to take I don't want. anybody to feel that that they have to. take their shoes off that's what I don't. I want them to feel that they can scuff. up the floor because that's the mark. that they made when they walked in my. house and maybe I don't even like the. scuff I don't like that they walked so. heavy yeah but it's their Mark we are.

leaving our Mark so I said that's I feel. about this table that's why this table. has all these stains on it seriously. it's good it has character yeah it's a. lot and that's the thing is like when we. built our the ranch I said there were. shelves I said I want lenium or what is. it famica lenium on the shelves and we. have 150y old Barnwood but along with. lolium cuz lolium reminds me of like. trailer parks and [ __ ] just makes me. [ __ ] smile so I saw this thing when I. walked in because I have one and that is.

Ralph stedman's print that you okay H. here's the story so so Ralph stemman. Johnny Depp gave me Ralph stedman's. number because he was close with Hunter. and my son was graduating my son's an. artist and he was obsessed with stemman. right and I called Ralph stemman he. hello and I said hey I said listen uh. you don't know me I'm a friend of Johnny. and this I said you know my son's. graduating and like the greatest gift I. could ever get him and this is not just.

to throw stemman under the bus because. it comes full circle but he says I said. my son's graduating can you do like a. little thing I'll pay you for it can you. do just draw a little thing for him for. his graduation there was a long long. pause and he goes why the [ __ ] would I. do. that and so that conversation went. nowhere I was like what the [ __ ] what an. [ __ ] and then 20 years went past and. my book is designed by one of his.

proteges oh wow and then so Joey Feldman. he called me one day and he. said he said Ralph wants to send you a. print and I said no way does he know are. that we have like a history and he said. no I don't think so so I sent him a. voice memo of the history and I said I. never held it against you I totally. understand it especially some so he sent. me one for my son and one for me and I. had it hanging up in my house that's. cool I love having that thing man he was. an interesting artist he is an.

interesting artist yeah I should say is. but I mean the the stuff that he did. it's like that's also in that Gonzo. documentary where it talks about how. Hunter gave mcid and mushrooms and he. just started [ __ ] writing drawing. really crazy [ __ ] and like um the thing. for do you remember the thing he did for. um the the Kentucky Derby is De that was. like the first thing wasn't it I think. that was how they got together find that. the Kentucky Derby is decadent and. depraved yeah it's a really good article.

actually W that was fast dude yeah um. but look at that that article is [ __ ]. amazing it's amazing article my favorite. Hunter pieces and I don't think that. they spent a lot of time together but I. think Hing him no I don't there's a lot. of it in the documentary where they're. hanging out together really yeah he. picks him up at the airport as VW Bug no. I know it exists but I don't think that. they spent the amount of time that you. would think given that they collaborated. so much I think Ralph was back in.

Britain and Hunter was I know look at. that look at. that see that's the kind of [ __ ] do you. miss that like as part of driving your. car and all that that's the thing from. the put your headphones on for a second. yeah take the thing out for an honest. run down the. coast I would start in Golden Gate Park. thinking only to run a few long curves. to clear my head. [Applause]. it's so.

good a wavering alcoholic off the wagon. but in a matter of minutes I'd be out at. the beach with the sound of the engine. in my ears surf booming up on the seaw. wall and a fine empty road stretching. all the way down to Santa Cruz there was. no helmet on those nights no speed limit. and no cooling it down around the. curves I love seeing the sand in the. road. yeah then into second gear forgetting. the cars and letting the Beast wind out.

35. 45 then into third not worried about. green or red signals but only some other. werewolf. Looney now there's no sound except the. wind the needle leans down on 100 wind. bured eyeballs strain to see down the. center line no room at all for. mistakes H that's when The Strange Music. starts. that's.

[Music]. great The. Edge there is no honest way to explain. it because the only people who really. know where it is are the ones who have. gone over the others the living are. those who pushed their control as far as. they felt they could handle it and then. pulled back or slowed. [Music]. down but the edge. is still out.

there that guy was [ __ ] amazing it's. great it great it was [ __ ] amazing. what do you love about his writing and. what type like Fear and Loathing well I. was just reading uh Hell's Angels. recently actually that's the book that I. go back to most well that's really him. when he was starting right that was the. beginning of the sort of Gonzo. journalism stuff because he was kind of. mixing in fiction. with reality and that's one of the. things that pissed off the Hell's Angels.

is that he took a lot of liberties with. the truth to try to like paint a picture. right which was his deal which was his. style later on it's like exaggerating. and kind of. Romancing his own life oh he was out of. his [ __ ] mind out of his mind but he. was also one of the most brilliant. technical writers that ever was and. that's what that's what's forgotten like. even people talk about kowak and kowak. was like you know he rode on the road he. on the road and it was Hunter S Thompson. type of thing and you're like you know.

he edited on the road for seven years oh. wow and nobody knows that because kowak. kind of like uh you know he put forth. this thing of like first thought best. thought don't edit don't it was again a. whole like it's total horseshit bu oh. wow that's why I say it goes back to. writers it's a labor yeah you sit down. and you write all the [ __ ] time my. friend Ari on his uh laptop he's got a. little piece of paper above the keyboard. that says the first draft of everything.

is [ __ ] that's it's Hemingway yeah. Hemingway wrote that yeah you know his. first book Hemingway's first book was. lost by his wife what yeah she lost it. yeah she she had grabbed it for him and. was on a train and then she went to the. bathroom and actually left the Satchel. on the seat when she came out of the. bathroom it was gone oh my God never to. be found again oh my God yeah I know can. you imagine oh my God all that work did. that marriage work out I don't think so. I bet you did it on purpose that [ __ ].

maybe she did it on purpose that [ __ ]. yeah man I love writing I love when. someone's a really good writer because. you just get these like moments where. you're like yes oh yeah oh that's it. know these M and Hunter had a lot of. those moments where you're like God damn. it that's good you have so many people. who were great young and I know that. there's a danger in a chaos within like. the vortex within which they lived but.

it couldn't survive do you know what I. mean when Hunter got he was just too. [ __ ] alcoholic yeah and and Dylan. Thomas became too [ __ ]. alcoholic and it's one of those things. that you go you were literally. writing things that aren't possible you. were putting together like word smithing. things that are that magic magic yeah. magic how he was described. whatever it you're how do you get to.

that place most people T well you can't. neglect your physical health that's the. problem is that in this Chase for the. Muse in this dance you do with the drugs. and the alcohol and the wild writing and. you know I'm sure you've seen uh Hunter. S Thompson's there's a thing that a. reporter he hung out with Hunter S. Thompson and detailed what what a day in. the life of Hunter S Thompson is what. who well there's a there's a band called. beardy man and beardy man took me and.

Greg Fitz Simmons reading off Hunter S. Thompson's routine his daily routine. before he writes and made a song out of. it it's [ __ ] incredible see if you. can find that because the the routine. was so insane and this was like really. what he would do he would wake up like. in the afternoon no no chaos full on. chaos here let's let's put this put the. headphones Back start from the beginning. beardy.

Man 3 p.m. rise shivas Regal with. morning papers 3:45 cocaine another. glass of shivas another Dunhill 4:05 PM. by the way first cup of coffee and a. Dunhill 415 cocaine another dun Hill 430. cocaine cocaine. cocaine coffee dun Hills. at. 54 6:00 smoking grass take the edge off.

the day. 7 hours hours. l.m L margar salad Rings car Bean. fraine uh okay 90000 p.m. start snorting. cocaine seriously. Dr acid 11 11: p.m. I don't know what.

that is cocaine and. grass cocaine etc etc 12 midnight Hunter. Thompson is ready to. ride 6 a.m. in the hot tub with. champagne 6 a.m. in the hot tub with. champagne so this is like a elic dance. music song that plays in clubs sometimes.

um super funny when did you do that oh. it was a long time ago many years ago I. did you ever live like that no no I've. never even done Coke wow yeah I've never. [ __ ] around with Coke I like. psychedelics I like weed uh I like a. little alcohol every now and then but I. don't [ __ ] around with anything that's. going to kill me I'm not interested yeah. and I'm not interested in anything that. helps my ego that boosts it up makes me. uh Fearless I'm not interested in any. I like things that make me scared I like. things that make me nervous like I.

talking about early what do you I like. to feel vulnerable I like it you like to. challenge yourself yeah your perception. and how you perceive certain things I. think uh I like voluntary adversity uh. physical voluntary adversity but also I. think mental voluntary adversity and I. think that's what I like about like. psychedelics I think there's like a you. have to go on like a journey and you. can't control it it's you it takes you. somewhere and then when you're back you. realize like you ain't [ __ ] just get all.

that ego stuff out of your system relax. and just be appreciative and enjoy life. and try to spread as much positivity as. you can that's what you're here for do. your best at everything you do that's. what you're here for and how do you find. yourself doing that once you're not on. it the incorporation of it into your. life just remember you know I just i' so. there's profound moments where I think. you know change forever and those if you. can hold on to them some people don't. hold on to them but it's a matter of.

intention right it's a matter of like. what are you trying to do you trying to. be better at life well if you're trying. to be better at life you can hold on to. it if you're not if you're just trying. to like be the man or you know exactly. you know and get all the accolades or. you know win a [ __ ] Grammy or. whatever you're trying to do like if. that's your real goal like you're going. to get lost because it's a shitty goal. how old were you when you took a a. hallucinate for the first time 30 I was. 13 whoa son that's a little too early. I wouldn't recommend that I wouldn't. recommend it either but it it changed my.

life and I had by the way I took it. twice in a 24-hour period wow so I took. it 13 had the greatest trip ever like. still affected by it wow and then I took. it again that night and went to hell oh. no I don't know got cocky. no psychedelics wanted to bring you down. and not did what it did it did it did. and I truly believe that psychedelics I. don't do psychedelics anymore but I. think I did but I do breath work I do.

[ __ ] like that and you go can you get. there and I go yeah I've had some of the. most amazing hallucinations I've ever. had most profound hallucinations I've. ever had holotropic breathing breath. work with layard going off and if you do. it long enough you just reach a place or. if you're in a sa at 240 degre for an. hour doing breath work oh yeah you're. going to go places yeah no doubt um. sensor deprivation tank you don't need. anything you trip balls if they could. give you in a pill for what the. experience you get from a psych from a. sensory deprivation tank it would be a.

very popular drug yeah and it's. completely safe and a productive drug. yes very productive so there's sensory. you say the sensory dep deprivation tank. but I just saw you can see it online or. whatever where people literally put a. thing they go into a room and they're. silence it's not like a um you know. where they don't talk a Meditation. Retreat or whatever but they literally. go into a room by themselves they don't. see anybody else they put a thick mask. on and they're in for 4 days. days have you seen that I have heard of. people doing stuff like that yeah yeah.

what about that well I think being alone. with your thoughts is uncomfortable for. people and I think a lot of people avoid. that they avoid really thinking and. you're forced to really think yeah you. know when you're in those sort of. situations you're forced to be alone. with your thoughts you know scary well. we're always distracted you know we're. distracted people and devices and input. and news and social media and there's. like constantly stuff coming in and and. sometimes you don't like how do I feel. about everything like what do I even.

know do have I ever really considered. things like you need time alone you need. time to think you know that's what I. really like about that's why I work out. by myself that's why I like to you work. out by yourself yeah yeah unless you. don't like having a trainer I mean I've. had a lot of trainers I I appreciate. them for technical advice and stuff like. that but this is a meditative aspect of. working out by myself that I think is. very important it's also discipline like. I don't it's easy to go somewhere and. the guy tells you okay 10 reps but I.

write my own workouts out and based on. that day and well know what I want to do. I you know I'm pretty good at it so it's. funny I haven't heard many people say. that but I I I I feel and it's not just. some [ __ ] like affectation. rebellious thing when I'm with it and I. appreciate trainers too and I've had. I've worked with some great trainers but. they make me want to do. less why you know they go do 10 and I go. but why Oh no you're one of those guys. I'm one of those [ __ ] I'm one of.

those [ __ ] but I will actually push. myself if say 12 just for a random word. a random number 12 is my limit I'm good. at pushing myself to 15 or Jeff cavalary. do you know who that is no athleen X oh. yeah I've heard of that guy yeah super. smart guy and we would go back and forth. and I'd be like look if I'm in if I'm. you know if I'm at my last three reps. why do we have to rest for 2 minutes. like who said that who made that up is. it really a recovery Thing 2 minutes. before you can go back into 12 more reps.

what if we just rest 30 seconds and then. you're right back into that thing almost. immediately but and those are the things. that are tearing the tissues and growing. the muscle and all that kind of stuff so. just experimenting with it all again. this all goes back down to what we. watched of like what are we doing to. just live a little more vividly mhm how. are we pushing ourselves how are we. changing our perception how are we. pushing our perception well it depends. on what you're trying to do right if. you're just trying to get like. conditioned yeah give yourself the.

minimal amount of rest and do it for as. long as possible and then take time off. to afterwards for your body to heal and. then get back after it as just a Bas but. it depends on what you're trying to do. if you're trying to get strong I always. recommend taking out like long long. periods of time in between sets I take. like five minutes maybe even more in. between sets to come back in at your. strongest to tell your body long. workouts my workouts like two hours. sometimes two and a half hours because I. have these long breaks between but. because of that it's you know pav tatul. is no he's uh one of the Godfathers of.

kettle bells he's one of the first. people that introduced kettle bells to. America from Russia and their their. philosophy his Phil strong first. philosophy is that strength is a skill. and you don't work on a skill when. you're tired so it's all about how many. repetitions you do and that's what. builds strength so it doesn't mean you. have to do 10 in a row like say if 10 is. your max say if you pick up a weight and. you could do 10 cleans and presses and. on the 10th one you're. like his philosophy is do five do five.

wait a long time do another five so. you've got the ten in but you've got the. 10 in with perfect form right and then. you're still getting the same amount of. repetitions but you're not breaking. yourself down to the point where you. might get hurt or where you're doing it. incorrectly or poor form so that's how I. work I talked I talked to me too I talk. to my wife a lot about that my wife. would say because I I go I'm all about. form yes cuz otherwise you just get hurt. and what's the [ __ ] point yeah I. rarely get hurt from lifting weights and.

have you ever gotten hurt in Jiu-Jitsu. oh yeah a lot everybody tears and Pops. yeah. miniscus surgeries and [ __ ] bulging. discs and torn this and torn that yeah. you have to it's a sport where you're. trying to kill each. other it's true you try to get really. good killing people with your body so. other people are doing that to you I had. sciatica for a year and a half we bad. sciatica 9 mm slip between S no uh L5.

and S1 how'd you get rid of it and they. wanted to do surgery and I had had. surgery when I was really young because. I had a slip disc between C5 and C6 and. they took out part of my hip and they. went in through my neck they moved. everything over and they replaced my my. disc with part of my hip back when they. used to do that they used to replaced. your disc with part of your hip yeah. they would chisel out a part of your hip. a bone yeah and that's what your disc. was now a piece of bone is now that.

doesn't even make sense your disc is. supposed to be spongy I know I don't. understand why they put a piece of bone. in there yeah and it worked it actually. worked yeah Dr delam marter I never. forget his name. Jesus so yeah and then they used kadav. bone for a while and now they use what. well it depends there's uh artificial. discs I know uh a couple people that. have artificial discs and it works yeah. my friend Eddie got it done in his lower. back he he is basically bone on bone. constant inflammation so he got a. titanium articulating disc that's in his.

back what is this Serge may take a small. piece of bone from the hip called an. autograph to use an a neck surgery. called interior cervical disectomy and. fusion the bone is placed between the. space between the vertebrae to stimulate. bone healing and promote Fusion oh so. you got your neck fused yeah they call. it a broling graft oh really. no hey hey wow so that's that's. different that's you got your hip your. neck fused fused which they probably. don't even do Fusion they do if it's a.

if it's a massive break or something. like that maybe I don't recommend it. there's other ways you can heal bulging. discs and one of them is there's a a. process called regenicin and regenicin. is uh I had that done in LA in Santa. Monica they used to do it in Germany. used to have to go to Germany to do it. like kobby Bryant went over there and. pton Manning went over there and what. they do is they take your blood out it's. like platelet rich plasma but it's a. more advanced it's more advanced version. of it and they spin your blood in the.

centrifuge and they add some stuff to it. and it turns it into like one of the. most potent anti-inflammatories and then. what they do is you lie down there and. they inject it in your back they have. like these little needles I think. there's a Instagram post of me getting. it done on my lower back did you have a. slip disc in your lower back bulging. bulging you know it's it's essentially a. bulging disc but it can go back bulging. disc can go back that was my experience. you also have to have traction like uh. decompression yeah so there's a bunch of. there it is so that's my back I had that.

done so they take that and they stick. all that [ __ ] but all that and they. drill that don't they they just Dr no. it's just it's just needles it's I know. it's needles but it's not like. acupuncture they actually drill that. then they put the needle in don't they. no no they just shove that needle in. place it's just like a syringe on each. side of your spinal column right yeah. it's like a syringe and then inside the. syringe they pump in the regenicin stuff. yeah and then it uh it fills your those. those areas up with this platelet rich.

plasma that's been enhanced and it just. heals. everything oh yeah absolutely it it. helped my neck so my neck was so [ __ ]. Jack my neck was so [ __ ] I was getting. numb fingers and pain in my elbow I have. that now do you really yeah you should. go go to that place yeah and when when I. ride motorcycles also when I have my. hands up like I mean I have shoulder. issues but I have a that slip disc was a. 9 mm slip do this why not why not do. this why this because that looks cooler.

does it not to me it looks super when. you're doing it right now this looks. [ __ ] this looks [ __ ] this looks. good this looks like you canid you can. move put up super high this is like. looks [ __ ] you have to turn like how. you going to turn like that you're not. going to do a good job you look like a. gorilla this is better this is better. what about that this is better what. about this well Ducatis I mean that's. like you're down like this that's when I. that's when I finally crashed was it. Ducati oh really you went crazy no I. didn't go crazy I didn't do anything. differently with parley you go slower.

right you ride it's about and it's loud. so people know you're there thank you. it's huge they have electric bikes now. I'm like do you want to die they're fast. they're so fast but do you want to die. they make no s nobody can hear you I'm. riding in a grid of 16 guys every. because everybody thinks Hell's Angels I. go there's nothing about it that's. trying to emulate Hell's Angels Mongols. any of that you know one Center thing. but when you hear that Rumble coming. down the road you can't wait to get the.

[ __ ] out of the way yeah oh yeah yeah. and that helps that's true that. definitely helps you stay alive yeah. yeah loud pipes save lives I've heard. that many times so to finish that. thought I what I did was is I went to I. started instead of resting which is what. doctors normally say they say do surgery. do surgery rest sleep see if that helps. if it doesn't help do surgery and I did. the opposite which later you know lared. was like anytime you get hurt lar will. be like movement movement movement.

movement but this was before all that. but I started working out and it got. worse and it got worse and it got worse. but I continued to work out and I. started running and I started doing. pistol squats and all this kind of [ __ ]. and then one day it was gone and it. never came back really never came back. so he just beat it out of you I beat it. out of me wow yeah yeah movement is. everything you need circulation you need. blood in there which which is why they. do PRP which is why they do stem cell. work or whatever yeah and if you're just.

sitting there the problem is you're also. going to your body's going to atrophy. you're going to lose strength and then. it's going to make whatever ex injured. that area in the first place that always. promoted by doctors why would that. always be promoted by doctors again. whether it's politicians or whether it's. doctors or whether it's they're telling. you this is you got to eat from the four. food groups man you're going to die. otherwise and you're like well you know. there's a lot to that stuff but but the. the you know the for group four food. group [ __ ] is a lot of it people just. not knowing what the [ __ ] they're.

talking about that's what I mean and. also different perception back then of. like what was healthy versus now but. it's also a lot of these doctors they're. not athletes and they don't really. understand like what's possible with the. body they just know how to fix things. when they break and then for the average. person they say just rest because the. average person is not going to [ __ ]. do what you're doing anyway so it's like. why why tell them like what you really. need to do is movement constant movement. and just beat that injury into. submission that's right and no one's. going to tell you that how do I feel.

better lose some weight yeah like go go. do that uncomfortable thing start. walking start slow maybe jog a little. bit maybe lift a little something that's. why when you see those videos of these. guys that just for whatever is in their. personality they've had [ __ ] enough. they 400 lb and they go that's it uhhuh. buck stops here y I'm going to start. doing my [ __ ] yeah they hit rock bottom. they hit rock bottom yeah and then you. see this again what we were talking. about before incentive where they just. go I don't give a [ __ ] well isn't that. the same with everything like isn't that.

how you quit drinking you just hit rock. bottom about to say that yeah but you. don't I don't I hit rock bottom when I. was 15 you know I was shooting Coke at. 15 jeez so yeah the thing that you. didn't want to try I did want to try but. that was that group that's why so many. of those guys died you know what I mean. so when I look at Hunter S Thompson who. I love as a writer when I look at Dylan. Thomas who I love as a writer and all. these guys that had this kind of amazing. life and I feel too paralleled I had an. amazing life except nobody cared about.

mine people really cared about theirs I. was just Josh that you wanted to stay. the [ __ ] away from well like that. [ __ ] is great to spend like an. hour with and then once it hits 10:00. and the moon comes out and the clouds. part you don't want to be anywhere. around oh yeah but then you get to that. point where you go when did hter. Thompson when did these guys just become. like some kind of clown. mask of themselves right do you know. what I mean well in the end Hunter was. definitely that did you ever see when.

Hunter was on Conan O'Brien's show no it. was horrible he could barely talk you. barely could understand him it. everything was mumbling was mumbling it. was every it was real weird and you know. he was he got in a gunfight with his. [ __ ] neighbors like shooting at his. neighbors that's what I mean is at what. point does it he fullon drunk but it. wasn't just that his body was like. rapidly deteriorating he had hip. replacement surgery and and only 60 I. that's not old man no not that old.

that's young not that old for what how. old are you 57 I'm 56 yeah like my mom. died at 55 the whole thing this book. became was my mom dying at 55 and me. thinking back then she lived a nice long. life isn't that crazy it's [ __ ] crazy. and then it turned out that I was 55. when I wrote the book which it never. even the book kind of dictated itself. and then I went holy [ __ ] I'm 55 wow I'm. super young. young [ __ ] super young like this I. have some joint issues but I'm young for.

the most part for the most part yeah. you're physically healthy you're not. falling apart you just have a few issues. yeah which is just wear and tear of life. that's it yeah but there's some people. that if you don't take care of yourself. and you don't eat well and there's also. a lot of other factors genetic factors. but you you could fall apart pretty. quick but if you're a guy like Hunter. that's doing coke and drinking every. night you can't do that no you can't. won't and the writing was bad like his. right the only time he wrote anything. good in later years was 2001 right after.

9/11 right after 911 he wrote this great. piece I want to say it was like for. Sports Illustrated it was I I forget who. he wrote it for but he wrote this really. great piece talking about what happens. next after the Twin Towers fall it's. like he wrote this thing about waking up. in the morning seeing the Twin Towers. fall and then realizing what what's. what's ahead for us right it was very. pressing it was very good it was very it. was was it accurate I mean now that it's. it was dead on it was dead on and it was.

vintage Hunter it's like he tapped back. into it again it's on ESPN ESPN that's. it ESPN this is the article this the. article would you send me this article. if it's an article article article I. would love that yeah um this is you know. this is the whole thing I mean what's so. great is it when you go I mean this is. kind of popping all over the place but. when you go back and you look at all the. politicians whatever. side you know whatever whatever red blue.

they lean toward it didn't matter. because Hunter was there kind of looking. for something different and it wasn't. all about him when it came down they all. describe Hunters just like crazy it was. so much fun to hang out with him but. there was never a lack of he was super. intelligent yes and wanted the best for. everybody a real Patriot he was a true. patriot yeah well did you ever read fear. and love on the campaign Trail yeah. that's one of the more interesting. pieces because you got this guy who's.

following around the campaign Trail and. he knows he's only in it for this one. time so he's not like any of these other. reporters he's just writing a book. people fire him yeah exactly and not. only that you can't CU he's going to. write a book like he's writing a book. you can't fire whether you like it or. not what you like it or not he's writing. that book but you know he's dropping. acid he's talking to these guys into. drinking like he's taking all these like. [ __ ] nerdy political reporters and. he's introducing them to a perspective. that they they're not aware of they. don't know anybody like that and the.

book is [ __ ] incredible when you see. Gonzo when you see it's funny how much. we're talking about H thomon but when. you see Gonzo I don't know if it was in. Gonzo or another documentary you see how. they're affected by it you see a. Humanity in them because of him that you. don't normally get to see don't you. agree yes yeah he made you question a. lot of things yeah and when people. question things they're like what am I. doing like what yeah why am I here what. is my purpose or did I have a purpose. when I was young and I just fell into. this political status quo and he even.

was questioning like in the documentary. he was like I don't even know what. people want anymore do they want Hunter. S Thompson or they want Gonzo like it's. not even me anymore it's like I'm a. prisoner of this thing that I've created. yeah and that's that's the thing that. happens to people where they they. develop their sort of image and Persona. yeah and then you feel like you're. trapped by it you people have. expectations when they meet you exactly. right Kennison talked about that did you. know Kennon no unfortunately did you I. did no [ __ ] yeah and not because of.

drugs just because I was around what. year was this when did he die a 90ish 2. 92 maybe I was in New York so it had to. be pre 94 probably 90 somewhere around. then I would say 90 I knew him 90 91 it. was through a friend that I met him and. then he liked me wow and sweet. incredibly sweet guy he was a. [ __ ] dude [ __ ] we just. got a um this guy does bottle cap art go.

to my Instagram Jamie and see that photo. this guy just uh made this insane bottle. cap art piece of Kennison for my comedy. club and we put it up last night is he a. hero of yours oh yeah he was one of the. first there it. is that's all bottle caps that kind of. oh no [ __ ] yeah those are bottle caps if. you wowow man yeah that's like in prison. when they use uh they use cigarette. packs and do Patricia arette gave me a. piece of art with a bunch of cigarette. packs put together yeah they made frames.

that was it they wow same kind of thing. yeah this guy with his uh his name is. Jam bottle cap art Jam bottle cap art he. does a bunch of different pieces with. bottle cap art yeah he's really good. it's really really cool stuff you need. my picture outside I saw all your mug. shots your mug shots love to have a bun. shot of you I'll send you is it good how. how [ __ ] up do you look I pretty. [ __ ] up I got a smile on my face when. somebody Smiles during a mug shot I. always find that really funny so when.

you met Kennison was it at a show was it. just no oh it might have been the comedy. club I'd only been a sorry Comedy Store. well he was out of there by then he was. out of there by 90 well what's the one. down the road by where green blasts used. to be Factory yeah yeah you like those I. do very much um the Laugh Factory the. Laugh Factory it might have been that. yeah he got kicked out of The Comedy. Store I think in like. 87 would then it wasn't there yeah it. was probably the Laugh Factory cuz but.

that's not where I met him I met him at. a house okay I met him at a house and I. never went to a lot of those parties I. was not just not part of that s wasn't. invited and but I but I I met him and I. would he just he was really sweet man he. would like mellow out it wasn't like a. thing it wasn't an act all the time. right you know and but he was a prisoner. to that thing that he became for sure. yeah his brother wrote a great book it's. called Brother Sam it's really really. good book describing like the ascent of.

his career and how it [ __ ] him up and. what happened to him and what do you. think it was I mean was drugs drugs and. partying and just and stratospheric F. wasn't it instantaneous for him quick so. in 1986 he's on Rody Dangerfield's young. comedian special and then he does uh an. insane to this day holds up uh HBO hour. and then those two things and then a um. an album that he made called Louder Than. Hell and those those things are the best.

things he ever does everything after. that becomes like a significant drop off. and in the end he was basically like a. caricature of who he used to be yeah a. caricature of himself exactly and he. just was captured yeah but it's also. imprisoned there wasn't anybody to tell. you how to do it back then there was. only a few like massively famous. comedians back then there wasn't a lot. of us it wasn't it wasn't like today. today there's like a giant community of. comedians we all talk to each other and.

figure it out together and everybody's. just about making better stuff yeah it's. not about like getting hugely famous the. ones that just want to get hugely famous. they're all mentally ill and usually. their their career drops off their. comedy starts to suck they're trying to. do the wrong thing yeah so in kenneson. in the beginning he just wanted to be. the best he could be he just wanted to. be really [ __ ] good good at comedy. and coming from this you know tent. preacher so he's like this revival tent.

preacher and then he gets into standup. comedy and he has this Charisma and this. ability to deliver that's so different. than everybody else and he's this short. fat guy so when he talks about being. married and living in hell like you kind. of like empathize with like this [ __ ]. guy's amazing and revolutionized comedy. changed comedy he was the first guy that. I ever saw that made me think I could do. comedy cuz before then I loved comedy I. always loved standup but I loved it. because it was funny I would just like. to watch you know Jerry Seinfeld on TV. oh these guys are so funny isn't that.

funny cuz you're so different than he is. and yet he was the one that you. paralleled with that like liberated you. yeah well he was wild that was the thing. I never felt like I fit in I always felt. like I didn't want to be around polite. people I didn't want like you know if a. a girl wanted me to go over her house. and have dinner with her parents I was. like oh Jesus they're going to think. they're going to think I'm [ __ ] crazy. but I was a kickboxer you know I was a. kid who had I went from you know when I. was 15 years old I got like deeply. involved in martial arts my entire.

social life up until like 2122 was just. traveling around the country fighting. and so my I was feral like my my mindset. was just I would just didn't fit in I. couldn't wear a suit jacket and pretend. to be the guy did you ever notice I I. wasn't that guy right hello great to. meet you things that I thought were. funny other people would think were. [ __ ] up but my [ __ ] up friends would. think were funny and those are the ones. who talked me into doing standup but. they were equally [ __ ] up did you. start standup back then in Boston in '.

88 in ' 88 yeah right yeah and and I. went to see Kenn in ' 89 I got to see. him live in ' 89 I got to see him three. times one time when I was working I was. working at greatwoods Center for the. Performing Arts and he was performing. there wow and I got to see him live I. was a security guard it was this place. in Mansfield yeah this the whole. Taekwondo team that I was a part of is. that's what I used to compete in oh no. kidding yeah where did you compete out. of J Chong where was that La okay T yeah.

yeah I fought in La when I lived in. Boston I fought in Anaheim in the. Nationals right on um I I traveled all. over the country competing that's all I. did and uh one of the guys who worked. with us one of the guys who trained with. us got a job as a security guard and uh. you know the guy was like hey do you. know any more guys we know how to fight. like we we need more guys like that to. work for us they just hired a bunch of. us right and so we got to see all these.

crazy concerts like I got to see Bon. Joie I got to see Bill Cosby which was. kind of crazy rosp yeah I saw Rodney. Dangerfield and Rodney Dangerfield was. there was this backstage area and Rody. Dangerfield was naked with a bathrobe on. and that's how he would go on stage at. the end of his career like Rodney would. go and by the way murdered I mean I was. [ __ ] had people on laughing he was. probably I don't know how old he was in. 89 but he was old and this [ __ ] guy.

was just on stage with a bathrobe on. naked and giant hog like hanging out of. his [ __ ] pants and he was just uh. just hanging out smoking pot and then he. would go on stage with a bathrobe on and. just kill but he because he wanted to be. comfortable how did other how did other. comedians feel about him oh they loved. him everybody Rodney was one of the most. universally loved comedians ever cuz he. helped other comedians yeah like Ronnie.

Dangerfield he did these things uh the. Rodney Dangerfield specials like Rodney. and friends and so he would have he. introduced the world to Dice Clay Sam. Kennison Robert Shimmel Lenny. Clark Dom iera like some of the greats. and they all came out of his Ronney. Dangerfield and friend specials they. were some of the greatest specials ever. because he would have all these guys. that he thought were worth seeing and he. would put them out there to the world. and they all became Superstars I mean. that's how Sam Kennison launched he.

launched from Rodney from Rodney so Bill. Hicks a lot of people launched from. Rodney and so everybody loved Rodney he. was just loved I know he's your buddy. and I you know because comedians I used. to listen I used to have six albums and. one was a bloody red vinyl remember the. red albums you see red album sure yeah. yeah and it was sick and I don't know. where I got them I think I got them from. like a flea market or something but they. were Lenny Bruce oh yeah and that was. the beginning he was the first he was. the first he was the first real modern.

standup comedian everybody else just. told jokes like two guys walking to a. bar like that kind of [ __ ] totally he. was the first guy that was like why do. we do this and why is that like what is. this we questioned it questioned. Authority and people would come to see. him because in the 60s everybody was so. confused as how to think like what yeah. what are we doing and this guy was like. this and how do we treat each other and. then like. people and go. and go.

what at the most tense time and and then. he'd bring it around and he that's why. it reminds me of Chappelle cuz Chappelle. would get so seemingly or ostensibly. inappropriate and then somehow bring it. around and you go [ __ ] Jesus Dave's a. master and he's a real artist that's a. guy like you know I talk about like. people that only start thinking about. money that's not him that dude lives in. [ __ ] Springfield Ohio and just. travels around and just does a lot of.

shows for no money he does a lot of. shows for he just shows up and performs. one time I was in Denver and I get off. stage it's the first show or second show. Friday night so it's 10 o'clock show. show's over I get offstage I go into the. Green Room Dave's there I go Dave what. are you doing here man he go Oh I. thought I'd come out and visit you just. hops on a [ __ ] private jet and flies. to Denver cuz he knew I was there didn't. even tell me just shows up and then I go. do you want to go on stage he goes oh sh. I go [ __ ] yeah so I ran out while the. people were leaving show was already.

over I go everybody tell everybody on. the stairs come back Dave Chappelle's. here so they all come back in and sit. down again and he does like 45 minutes. and it was right around when Trump was. doing when he got caught saying grab him. by the [ __ ] so like 10 minutes about. grab him by the [ __ ] like it was. [ __ ] genius it was so good off the. top of his head though oh no he I mean I. don't know EX exactly. how material Dave I think what Dave does. spends a lot of time thinking and.

listening to music and coming up with. ideas and he writes some stuff down but. a lot of what he does is just performs. constantly he's constantly on stage. working these things you said it earlier. artist and that's the difference that's. the difference between somebody who's. just good at what they do and somebody. who is an innate artist he's a real. artist he gets he's a hero of mine too. he's a good friend but he gets these. giant deals with Netflix where he makes. a lot of money which is great but he. doesn't do it for money he's doing it.

but you can tell is he he gets these. like oh he turned down $50 million he. went crazy moved to Ohio or whatever the. [ __ ] story is that you want to make. up but then he comes back he makes these. 20 million deal dollar deals with. Netflix but it's never in place of his. agenda no it's all about the art it's. all about all about this wins this wins. this is the priority that's why he left. his show because they were twisting. itting I know why he left his show.

because I've been in that position where. you go this is turning into some. corporate version of what you like you. love what I do now you can't wait to put. your fingerprint on it exactly that's it. that's exactly what it was so you can. take so you can go you know that was me. and he gave up million when no one was. giving then he quit doing comedy for 10. years and you know what he would do he. would occasionally show up in a park. with like a [ __ ] speaker and just. show up and do stand up yes he did he. did in Seattle I know he did in Seattle.

cuz a friend of mine was at the show he. shows up he he goes Dave Chappelle just. shows up in this [ __ ] Park and he he. get a speaker with a microphone and he. just starts talking and people just. gather around respect he was just doing. these like shows these impromptu shows. he would show up in a bar can I go on. stage and they would go uh okay and he. would just knowing in his mind that he. would eventually come back no that was. just the present moment I think he's. being an artist just being an artist for. the pure sake of being an artist so he.

had the money that he did make off. Chappelle Show and he decided to like. live frugally and take that money and he. didn't do anything for money for like 10. [ __ ] years he just raised his and. then he started coming back and then. when he started coming back I remember. him coming around the comedy store again. and we had some conversations about it. and he just you know he just decided to. start doing comedy again and then he you. see people getting canceled now and it's. devastating to them and yet that's what. that was he just did it himself right he. canell himself yeah he cancelled the.

greatest sketch show of all time of all. time yeah of all and it only did two. seasons it's still the greatest but. that's not something that you see very. often if somebody who just [ __ ] can't. help but beat to their own drum right. but the art wins in the end the art wins. for him well it's obviously when you see. him he's so good he's not malicious he. seems there moments where you think he's. malicious and again brings it around. well the malicious is just to heighten. the humor it all just like brings it in. it also accentuates like some thoughts.

that you might have about whatever he's. talking about but it's what everybody's. thinking and so [ __ ] terrified to say. that's why even me I'm watching it and. I'm the inappropriate guy you know and. my dad goes how the [ __ ] do you say what. you say and I don't understand I go you. know I said honestly do you want to know. because I'm not ultimately mean I don't. want I don't want to [ __ ] hurt I. don't want people to feel less than I do. but I watch Chappelle and even me I'm. like who.

[ __ ] wow he watchs that line he gets out. there and walks that line but he dances. around it and he makes it beautiful com. appreciate it so much cuz without him. we're all [ __ ] and he's the way to. find out if a comedian's a [ __ ] like if. a comedian doesn't like Chappelle they. start [ __ ] on Chappelle like okay. then you know he's a [ __ ] you're piece. of [ __ ] you're a piece of [ __ ] you're. just a garbage human have you ever met. anybody like that yeah yeah yeah yeah. lot of these he's not a real comedian. there's a lot of he's an [ __ ] yeah. there's a lot of like that's not comedy.

activist Comedians and what they are is. really not talented so they've glommed. on to this idea of like being like. socially conscious and that's more. important than the humor itself but. nobody wants to hear you preach nobody. nobody thinks that your opinion is. better than theirs this is what I always. say like if you go on stage you have an. opinion like other people have an. opinion too like if you go on stage and. say you know I think K Harris would be. the greatest president of all time a lot. of people like why I don't. but you have to have a way to make it. funny so that they laugh the people that. disagree with you laugh I don't even.

think this guy's correct godamn that's. funny and that's a way you can introduce. an idea into someone's head that maybe. would never accept that idea it was just. opinions so if someone's on stage and. they're just saying opinions like you. could you could disagree with that. opinion it'll frustrate you and you you. can't talk you don't have your but if. that guy can take that opinion and that. perspective and make it funny and you're. forced to acknowledge he has a point. yeah like there's something in there. like I don't even agree with that but. [ __ ] godamn that was good godamn that.

was good and that's the real liberates. man yes that's the real Chappelle art. that's what I mean not that we'll stay. on this forever but remember Eddie. Murphy when he did what not the first. not raw but delirious delirious yeah oh. yeah well he was a [ __ ] Powerhouse. manous to this day that is the guy that. I just wish I was friends I was friends. with his brother um Charlie yeah uh but. I wish that guy I wish he would come. back you know I know he got like some. weird stuff where he got arrested with.

transexuals in his car and like whatever. so did other people whatever he's just. too good he's too good he's too good do. you ever see when uh he he gave a speech. he got like I think it was like one of. those Mark Twain Awards or something. like that and he did stand up like where. he hasn't done stand up in forever but. he was talking about Bill Cosby having. to give his Awards back and no. because you know he does an amazing Bill. Cosby impression I remember and so he he. he did stand up and it was as sharp as.

ever I'm like God damn it this guy came. back he and it was just off the cuff it. was something that I'm sure he prepared. no I'm sure he prepared but nobody. really knew he was going to do it right. well they knew he was going to give a. speech and his speech was essentially. standup you know his acceptance speech. 20 minutes or 15 minutes stand up and it. was [ __ ] great and there was all. these rumors that he was going to start. doing it again I remember Charlie told. me that Dave was thinking about doing it. again or that uh Eddie was thinking. about again but he never did it he never. did it never I think it's just too heavy. we need comedians I mean I that's like.

the theme of this whole thing is whether. you're talking about Hunter whether. you're talking about this it's just too. bad that they self-destruct whether it. be from drugs or fame or whatever and. you know what I mean it's hard man it's. hard to maintain and then once you make. it there's these weird pressures but it. breaks up the status quo of this. contraction especially that we're feel I. know that's why people move to Austin. like I'm [ __ ] sick of being told to. think a certain way well that's why. comedy and Austin work so well because.

we all moved here at the same time we. all moved here in 2020 like I was I was. here because Well Ron White moved here. first and Ron White is a dear friend of. mine and he moved here before the. pandemic and Ron was like I don't want. to live in LA anymore I I [ __ ] love. it here there's no traffic [ __ ]. food's great [ __ ] people are nice I. can travel I fly I'm in the center of. the country I can fly anywhere real. quick and I was like damn could I live. in Texas like I don't know about that. and then Co came and um right like my.

wife was kind of interested a little bit. but then when the riot started happening. in La then she got really scared she got. very like there a lot of like home. invasions there was a lot of crazy [ __ ]. that was happening where is she from. originally uh she was from Colorado okay. yeah so not an LA no no no and so she. lived in LA with me for a while and we. we were happy you know we lived in Bell. Canyon which is like outside of La it's. nice peaceful had a little land Coy and.

Hawks and [ __ ] yeah well for me it was. okay because I had quiet where I lived. and then I could drive into The Comedy. Store and I loved it but then when they. shut the comedy store down they shut. everything down and then the r and I was. like baby they're not going to let us go. back this is like these [ __ ]. [ __ ] have control now and that's. what they like that's why they became. politicians in the first place they like. telling people they can't work they're. they they have a grip on society and. they're going to [ __ ] keep this grip we. got to get the [ __ ] out of here so did. you move s on scene did you move just.

did you just come did you find a place. or did you you came and you hung out for. a while I came looking to see if I could. deal with it we took like a few days off. and we flew to Austin with some friends. who were also thinking about doing it. none of them W up moving here a couple. of them moved to Dallas um but we we. came here and then um one of the things. that helped my daughters were 10 and 12. at the time they were really young and. they were real confused about what was. going on in La it was spooky you know. you had to wear a mask everywhere and. that freaks kids out like it's just it's. freaky came to Texas no masks you go to.

restaurants and we had this great real. estate lady and this great she's a good. friend now and she took us to see we. wanted to see this house and she took us. on a ride on a boat she had a friend to. take us on the lake we go on the lake. people are playing Leonard Skinner. they're jumping in the water They're. laughing and singing and in La. everybody's thinking like the world's. going to end there's demons man I was in. I was in New Mexico and I was out on a. 100,000 acre ranch W right and we were. doing outter range we were doing the.

first season of our show and we were. tested every morning and when I was out. in the middle of nowhere I mean with. like good 15 mph winds you'd have. somebody come up if I put my mask down. to talk you'd have somebody. go. yeah yeah and I'd be like there's no. we're in the middle of nowhere also it. doesn't even work it doesn't work stupid. the mass I'm not even saying that I have. a certain belief system or anything but. in that moment yeah provable that they.

don't work provable yeah and people lost. their [ __ ] minds and it was a stress. test and so we came out here I bought a. house like quick and I was here is it. still the same house you have now really. that's cool we we looked at the house in. May I was living in in August and we. were here and then my kids started going. to school out here they loved it I loved. it right away we were performing and. then uh we were doing shows inside where. everybody's like this is crazy you guys.

are doing shows indoors cuz Texas didn't. give a [ __ ] they're like do shows like. like a couple months after Co they're. like eh open it up and so what are the. numbers of people who got Co you know. I've never had Co you never got it at. all no that's crazy I never got it I. don't know if that's a blood type I. don't know what is that maybe you're. healthy maybe I have it right now I have. a bit cold right now May the new Co is a. joke it's like I I we used to test every. day we used to like everybody that came. in cuz I wanted to be compliant I wanted. people to feel safe people are flying.

out here to do podcasts I wanted to make. sure they not a dick and so we tested. everybody before every show and one time. I came in and I had the sniffles and I. was like maybe it's co maybe it's co and. the nurse was like actually you have Co. I was like no way I'm like this is the. new Co but I had it once and like. famously got in trouble for saying that. I didn't get vaccinated but I got. healthy and those was the CNN attacks. and all that [ __ ] and then um the second. time I got Co it was literally sniffles. and it was gone in like a day or two so. were the numbers different in Texas than.

anywhere else I don't know I'm curious. mean the numbers are all like the the. the real people that got sick are the. people with comorbidities that was the. real issue it it what it exposed it's. not that it didn't exist it did because. I have a brother-in-law who was in New. Orleans in the epicenter of it and it. was the beginning of his residency and. all that and he was like oh bro oh it. [ __ ] existed I me it was [ __ ]. gnarly yeah if you're really unhealthy. Co [ __ ] you up f really fat in. particular there was something about the. way it reacted afrian Americans too he. said that's a vitamin D thing that's a.

vitamin D thing yeah well you know. African-Americans the reason why they're. so dark the melanin is to protect them. from the Sun and melanin in white people. the reason why they're so pale is. because it acts as like a [ __ ] solar. panel for vitamin D right the melanin. actually protects them from the sun's. damage and but it also makes it more. difficult for them to get vitamin D so. my friend would his residency in New. York and he said during the winter time. uh we would do blood panels on people. and they would have undetectable levels.

of vitamin D wow and this is the reason. why people get sick in the winter you're. covering up you're indoors most of the. time you're not getting any vitamin D. you're not getting any sun if you're not. supplementing and not just with vitamin. D by the way you have to mix vitamin D. with K2 and magnesium that's the most. effective way for your body to process. it if you're not doing that your immune. system is [ __ ] it's not that you're. giving you're not a living petri dish. and you're giving each other the thing. because you would do that that in the. summer too but the minute you go outside. and you get that vitamin D and you get. that sun it's burning it away yeah well. you're out in the sun you're healthier.

you're supposed to be outside we're not. designed to be locked up in [ __ ]. cubicles and and fluorescent lights all. day it's not normal yeah so it's not. healthy and if you don't do something to. mitigate that to counteract that your. your metabolic health is going to suffer. if you're not fit if you're not healthy. if you're overweight if you're not. eating well if you're not taking. vitamins all those things are a huge. factor that was completely ignored and. the narrative was like no you need this. novel injection that we haven't tested.

on anybody we're going to [ __ ] shoot. it in every baby every kid every. pregnant woman did you ever take one no. I almost did I didn't think it was a bad. thing like this whole pandemic is. through education and talking to doctors. and also through my experiences it. completely changed my concept and my. thought about the medical system when. the vaccine was first available was more. than willing to get it in fact the UFC. allocated like 150 vaccines for all. their employees and we were doing these.

covid shows where there was no audience. so we would do it at the Apex in Vegas. where the UFC has their own small Arena. and we'd have the fights there and You'. go and get tested I i' get tested in. Austin I'd fly to to Vegas and then they. test me again and you weren't supposed. to go anywhere you just stayed in your. hotel and then you showed up and did the. fights and then they got the allocations. for the vaccine and I called up the. doctor and I said hey uh I'm here uh uh. for the fights can I get vaccinated they. said sure come on in and then when I got.

there I called the doctor and said. actually you have to go to the clinic we. have to do it at the clinic can you go. on Monday and I said I can't um uh I. have to go back to Austin but I'll be. back in two weeks for the next fights. and we'll do it then he said great in. that two weeks they pulled the vaccine. because people were getting blood clots. and then also during that two weeks two. people that I knew had Strokes like one. guy was in his 50s and one I was in his. 40s immediately following the. vaccination within days of the vaccine. got strokes and I I had a bunch of.

friends that had complications one. friend who has a a pacemaker I have a a. second friend now that has a pacemaker. and there was all these things that just. keper they'll have for the rest of their. lives I don't know it it depends on. whether or not your heart heals like how. bad the damage is what but his heart. would stop it would stop beating for. like nine seconds at a time wow and he. would just faint and he was falling down. right and um you know Dr Drews talked. about this about he believes that's what. happened to a lot of people that uh got. boosted a lot of people like after the.

booster like there's some something that. would happen where your heart would just. stop beating for a while and you'd black. out and it would start up again and it. you know because it wasn't proven it. wasn't a proven thing but then again how. many of them are proven because you know. let's what you said what 72 73 shots. yeah well that's a different kind of. vaccine no but I understand that but. there's still vaccines and you why so. much more now is there that much more. disase it's money based in money I mean. I'm not an antivaccine person but like I.

subscribe to Robert F Kennedy's. perspective like they should all be. tested they should be safety tested and. they're not you know but it comes down. to this thing like we were talking about. working out it comes down to this thing. where you go listen the medical. community I can use for certain things. the holistic Community I can use for. certain things why do I have to deny one. just to be full in on the other right. exactly well just narrative that they. put out there that medicine and. pharmaceutical drugs are the most. important thing and everything else is. [ __ ] everybody should Tak.

oxycotton everybody should be on yeah 10. oxycotton help you feel better you'll. feel better just like oh I feel better. yeah you don't have to do anything to. feel bad about it so when we came here. um that was the thing was like everybody. who came here was kind of like [ __ ] this. and then there were so many of us that. Ron talked to me in putting up a comedy. club I remember you opened your own yeah. Ron went on stage like for the first. time in like months like I think it was.

eight months and he grabbed me by the. shoulders like right after got I mean he. [ __ ] crushed he goes on stage he say. giant Standing Ovation he crushes and he. comes off stage he grabs me by my. shoulder goes whatever the [ __ ] we have. to do we're going to keep doing this he. goes you got to open up a club I go okay. I'm gonna open up a. club yes sir and then I just started. looking at Club spots. how often do you do it almost I mean. every week but went on last night three. times I went they did three sets last.

night wow yeah constantly working yeah. do you know Robert Rodriguez no the the. director no I don't know him personally. surprises me yeah that's who I'm doing. I'm at the Paramount Theater tonight I. love that guy yeah I love him I've done. one I've known him for 30 years oh I'd. love to meet him yeah but uh no I love. his work though yeah super good guy yeah. and he plays at Antoine's a lot oh yeah. Anton's Anton that's yeah that's jun's. place is it yes my friend Gary I didn't.

know so my wife knows Gary's wife really. well oh my wife knows Gary's wife really. well oh [ __ ] dude I met somebody on the. plane who sat next to me so I flew from. New York yes they they sent a picture to. my wife of yes yes wait wait wait wait. wait wait. Bentley I don't know the the guy's name. I don't know the guy no no no no no the. guy that I met on the plane today he. said what are you here doing I said oh. I'm going to see Brogan this afternoon. I'm doing Paramount Theater tonight and. he said oh that's so funny and he didn't.

talk to me the whole flight and he said. my son Bentley went out with Rosie yes. that's for a year yes that's what it is. so he sent a photograph my wife yeah cuz. I took a photograph with him I saw today. right when I was leaving my wife shows. me the photograph that's [ __ ] funny. it's crazy that's crazy small world. really small world super super small. world yeah but yeah so yeah Gary's wife. and my wife are good friends yeah so. I've never met Gary man I love him he's. the best I mean that's real artist a.

true artist that's an artist I mean he's. an artist another true artist I was just. with him uh I did his video I was asked. to do a lot of videos and I've never. done a video because I've never wanted. to do a video the idea of doing video. seems weird to me you're like you know. singing somebody else's song or. something like that but uh Chris. Stapleton who's been a friend for a long. time so we were inord together has he. yeah I love that guy [ __ ] guys he and. Morgan one of the greatest people so. yeah we were together over the weekend. in Marfa Texas oh that's [ __ ] cool.

yeah it was awesome there's I mean and. Gary's another guy that I knew back in. La I met Gary at the comedy store. doesn't he still live in LA no he lives. here oh he does full time yep and that's. the same thing like when I talked to. Gary about I Go why'd you move to Texas. and this was back when I was still. living in La he goes man [ __ ] that [ __ ]. that place [ __ ] everything about that. place I don't like it moved out we I. haven't moved to Austin I've spent a lot. of time here I love it here my mom's. from Corpus Christie I've spent a lot of. time in Texas I'm going to eat Water.

Burger while I'm here and but I you know. we moved to Santa Barbara recently and. it's one of those things it's just like. there's the thing about La when you. don't need because you can do so many. things remotely and you go why am I here. right right why am I here like I embrac. this staunch thing of I'm a Californian. and I loved going to New York and seeing. how proud people were in New York and. I'd go back to California and I'd say I. want to be the one proud person that's. in California there was proud people in.

La for a while there were we were all. proud that we were La Comics La Comics. were like a different thing than New. York Comics right cuz New York Comics. were all like for themselves they were. all kind of shitty and backstabby and at. The Comedy Store we had a real Community. there was like the best thing and what. you've done is recreate like even when I. talk about a chomer community that's. what it is it's a community that you can. rely on yes regardless of belief system. or anything like that you go but that. guy has my back yes that guy will walk.

through fire from me that guy wants me. to do well that's your people that's my. people yeah and that's the same thing. with all my people moved out here they. moved out here with me so we had like 16. top shelf comedians move out here in the. first two years wow that many there's so. many clubs out here there's five clubs. on the street where my clubs are that's. crazy I bought the old Ritz Theater yeah. so that's the comedy Mothership now and. down the street there's a Sunset Club. that my friend Brian owns and that's a. club that's like Five Doors Down from me.

so all these are new clubs that's. happened in the last four years the. Vulcan was already there that was the. club that we started working at when we. came here that's down the street from me. that's only like a block away and then. there's the creek in the cave another. comedy club that's only like two blocks. away there's a bunch of them just on. this one street what if I move here and. open a club and just do monologues do. you think people will come sure. differentes and gentlemen this one's. from sakaria if it's good people would. go they might they might you look man to. [ __ ] you really have a this is the.

weird artsy City I love great artsy City. it is there's a lot of fake artists I. know but there is everywhere yeah. there's a lot of posers but that's all. people that just like like the idea of. them being the one who decides what's. real and what's not real just Goofs. you're always going to have that there's. a lot of that that they hated us when we. came here but really what they didn't. like is that you couldn't just [ __ ]. around anymore the real killers were. here now yeah the real top shelf like. National Headliners guys like Tom sagur.

and Tim Dylan and these animals moved. into town so this is like a new Hub oh. it's the Hub of the world for comedy the. comedy mothership is the Hub of comedy. in the world that's wild yeah and it. just just opened two years ago that's. cool it's packed every night it's it's. awesome like Dave came down like opening. week he was incredible and no one knew. he was there so uh I did a set and then. after I did a set I I I I introduced him. and everybody just went [ __ ] AP [ __ ]. and we were like it's up like the club's.

rolling now now now it's really. happening and then all these people were. coming in from all over the country and. a bunch of people moved here and there. there's people moving here constantly. Shane Gillis moved here and all these. guys moved here so it's still happening. oh yeah growing migrating and we we're. talking about opening up another club. cuz it's we're so packed every night and. we have so many Comics we almost have. two too many comics and not enough room. has the place grown a lot in the last. four years I mean other than people yeah. but you see a gentrification of it or.

just like things that you go no you see. a lot of tech Bros have moved here. because you know Google moved here and. Facebook and I remember when Jessie. James moved here which was a while ago. he moved here a long time ago long time. ago but I remember when he moved from. Long Beach yeah and he called me and he. was like it's [ __ ] great here it's. [ __ ] great it's better yeah I just. never will live in a place that has. traffic ever again I'll never live in a. big city Austin's like a million people. a million on the outside and a million. in the city it's nothing it's easy it's.

easy to get around people are friendly. they they're just like real people there. there's no one here that's like. connected to that machine that that that. forc compliance why do you think that. feeds into your art like to me being in. La when everybody's talking about what's. your status right. now stat all people care about is are. you killing are you going on stage and. [ __ ] killing are you doing your best. work are you doing it period are you.

doing your best work like do you care. you give a [ __ ] really care are you. really working on it are you really are. you just another affectation and if. you're at that club you have to be. working on it because there's too many. people that are working on it there's. too many kill you can't just be lazy. yeah you won't survive there's too many. killers I want to go to this club. anytime go tonight cool if you want to. come tonight well I got this thing to do. when's your thing what time time is it I. don't know 8 7 we have a 7:00 show and a. 10:00 show really maybe I'll come. afterwards come after come hang out. Jelly R was there last night really was.

he really yeah yeah yeah that's cool. jelly Rose the man he's here all the. time he's always hanging out here do you. have my book I do not you don't no I did. not no one sent it to me they did it. probably went to a publicist or someone. I's going to bring a book for you I'll. buy it Josh BR from under the. truck why from under the truck why do. you think cuz that's where you were d. drunk passed out that's where my mom's. boyfriend was drunk and passed out but. it has this to me I chose it because it. has a double and Tandra that when you're.

under a truck you're either fixing it or. getting run over by it hence my life o. I'm either getting running run over by. it or fixing it how did you sort it out. cuz you're so together now am I yeah I. think you are thank you you're fun. thanks man fun people are together if. you can be fun you're together I think. I'm at that place I found a place. that you have always been at that I. didn't have I had the opposite where you. go no I didn't do cocaine because and. forget the drugs it's the mentality I.

didn't do cocaine because it would kill. me and I would go oh that stuff will. kill you yeah let's let's just walk that. line I always wanted to walk that line. and I had a mother that walked that line. the the book is very mother heavy very. very mother heavy and it would wasn't. intended to be it just turned out that. be my that's why I wanted to [ __ ] I wish. I had a book no worries I'm I wanted to. read. you a section of the LSD 13-year-old LSD. thing because it's fun yeah it's juicy.

yeah you like juicy stuff I do and I. want to read you juicy stuff 13 LSD is. so wild that's such a crazy mindblowing. experience for a 13-year-old to have. yeah can you imagine cuz you look at I. mean I had I had kids when I had my. first kid I was 20 years old and I was. looking at 14 years in prison oh my God. yeah so Jesus Christ so I that's why I. didn't I I missed my shot out there I. was surprised it's Johnny Cash There's.

we're going order it find find Josh. Brolin see if it's in there I think. there's a couple get a big mental print. of it proud of it but um well it's part. of your life and it's why you're you. today because you've gone through shitty. experiences yeah but I don't know if. they're shitty that's what I haven't I. haven't decided whether they're shitty. or whether they're necessary for this. person to get to this place and not. everybody gets to that place so we're. talking about all these people like. Hunter us Thompson Hunter us Thompson is. my mother man just did she wasn't a good.

writer oh but everything that you the. song right that was my mom my mom had a. n loaded N9 millimeter at her bedside. table all the time she was part of the. what was the scam that went on in the. 80s the pyramid scam oh remember that. she was one of the top five winners of. the pyramid scam oh boy she could talk. anybody into anything so she would come. home literally man with bags with. grocery bags full of cash wow and she.

dump it out and she'd say count Jesus so. I would sit there. and count you know what I mean and she'd. put them and I finally found I think she. had hidden some in her dresser and that. there was like a loose board that she. right took away and put money in there. and I found it and bought some drums. when my grandmother died we found stuff. like that in her house cuz my. grandmother went through the the. depression oh yeah and so everybody they. all like stockpile money so she had. coffee cans filled with money that she.

had like tucked away in like different. areas of the house that we found after. she died right right it's kind of great. the mentality of like yeah well the the. mentality you grow up where you. literally might starve to death there's. no F and you become there's no way that. can't affect you and that's the whole. point there's no way that somebody can. have that mentality of every scent means. something right and we have to hide it. unless somebody else takes it or. whatever with my mother it was always. looking for the most Vivid experience. and I don't know why that was her. parents weren't like that it's just how.

she was and then you either have my. brother I don't know if you have. siblings or not but my brother dealt. with it totally different my my brother. imploded so he lives his life as simply. as you can possibly live it whereas me. it was my reaction was the other way. yeah was yeah yeah so so how now and why. I don't know I don't know H 45 years old. I feels like a good age to go okay do I. W to do I want to go Nick NTI or do I.

want right right right and I can do that. easy you know Nick used to date Vicky. Lewis who was on news radio with me yeah. no way I didn't know that yeah I. remember Vicky well super talented super. talented yeah sing could act she was she. was a fire brand and uh Nick you used to. hang around the set and it was always so. weird to me to be talking to Nick no it. was so strange. yeah I remember one time I went to Fri. Electronics cuz I was going to buy some.

I used to make my own computers yeah. because I was like really into like. computer games so I like build my own. computers and so I'm there like looking. at motherships and I see this [ __ ]. old guy with his glasses on and I go I. go Nick goes oh hey Joe how are you man. do you know anything about these things. and like I was talking to him about like. computer stuff but I just couldn't. believe he knows my name that he. remembered me he saved my life man he. saved my life at 25 I was bro there's a.

terrible movie called Warrior it's a. terrible movie terrible movie you mean. the UFC movie with Tom that movie sucks. but he's [ __ ] incredible in it he's. amazing his one scene this one scene. where he breaks down you know he's the. dad it's so I know [ __ ] good it's so. good that one scene is worth sitting. through the entire preposterous movie. yeah why do you hate that movie so much. cuz it's fake you can't have you can't. fight like two days in a row you wasn't.

the Tyson Jake fight wasn't that. [Laughter]. amazing yeah it's amazing they got paid. so much money for that 25 million and 40. million I think 20 and 40 yeah I think. that's what I'd heard you know which I'm. I'm happy Mike got the money and I'm. happy that he didn't get hurt that was. my fear that it was going to be a real. fight and he was going to get hurt. you've known him for long long time I've. known him for a long time I love that. dude me too and he was a like Larger. than Life figure of my childhood Tru. when I was a kid when he was the champ.

it was like people don't understand what. a champ he was like he was a he wasn't. just the heavyweight champ of the world. he was an executioner like you every. fight was just a matter how long was it. going to last which fight it was that I. went to go see a couple of fights and I. actually went to go see Julio Cesar. Chavez fight and that's when I met Tyson. in the green room and and I met the same. time Muhammad Ali in The Green Room oh. wow that was a moment wow as a boxing. fan that was a real moment but I. remember and I don't know who it was and.

I think it was a 92nd fight and I went. to go see this fight and Tyson was. fighting and this guy was doing this. stuff before and he had this cut he had. built himself into confidence and Mike. came out afterwards he was the first one. obviously and Mike came out afterwards. and I watched his face I didn't watch. Mike you would Norm nor watch Mike cuz. he's so charismatic and he's coming you. want to see what he's going to do and I. watch the guy's face and I watch that. confidence bleed from his face.

instantaneously yeah he had absolutely. lost the fight long before Mike had ever. gotten in the ring yeah I maintain that. in the time where he was Champion like. the two or three years where he was at. his best he was the greatest fighter of. all time of all time of all time yeah I. don't think any that's why it was so. interesting to me as I was watching it. and I'm very verbal when it comes to. that [ __ ] come on. what the [ __ ] you know I me and he was. he's still quick oh yeah he's still. quick he's still very quick he would do.

you know my C like he was walking with a. cane just like a year and a half ago. yeah but he was really out of shape had. bad sciatica bad sciatica yeah I didn't. know that yeah real bad know wasn't that. long ago that he was you know I mean. when I first met him he was very very. heavy he was not working out at all and. I asked him how come you don't work out. he go I don't want to ignite my ego. that's pry want ignite the gods of War. the gods of War yeah and then the second. time he came in uh was when he was.

preparing for the Roy Jones Jr fight. came in here yeah and he was a totally. different human being he was [ __ ]. jacked and in shape and he looked was. super intense and he was just like ready. to go and it was terrifying it was like. and Jamie wait when was this a few years. ago four years ago four years ago and so. when he came in the second time I was. like this is Jamie said it afterwards. he's like this a totally different human. being than the first time we saw him he. was one of the first guys like like I. said with Nick Noti was like is that. really Nick Noti this is crazy can't. believe he's right there but Mike Tyson.

was one of the first people that I met. though I can't believe he's really here. because just like he was so iconic like. you had to be alive and be a kid during. the time where he was the champion to. understand what he was because there was. after Muhammad Ali Larry Holmes who was. a great fighter but no one liked him. because he beat up Muhammad Ali so. people always just wanted him yeah but. is that the only reason there was. there's just a certain air of somebody. and they come along once in a great. while yes but Larry Holmes never got his.

due yeah he was an amazing fighter. amazing fighter but still but when he. retired then there was just like a. series of boring Champions like no one. cared about the heavyweight division at. all no one cared and then uh the cover. of Sports Illustrated I I have it framed. in my office at home it said kid. Dynamite on it and he was 19 years old I. was like who is this guy and then I. started watching him fight and then he. was fight on like ABC Wide World of. Sports you're like Jesus Christ do you. find yourself going back and watching.

highlights just to do it I watch Tyson. fights all the time yeah I just just. watched this fight with Frank Bruno just. a couple of days ago Frank Bruno oh my. God Tyson was something just I just. don't think you can maintain that you. can only do that years never worked out. with like do you remember the fight with. him and Bone Crusher Smith oh yeah yeah. not a great fight no was because Bone. Crusher Smith was not a great fighter. well he was a good fighter he's a great. fter tough guy but you know brutal. knockout puncher it just wasn't at.

Mike's level yeah Mike was at a level. that no one was at it was just it was an. insane combination of discipline Talent. incredible coaching uh psychology you. know when he was 13 years old he was. adopted by a guy cust who's a Hypno cus. used to hypnotize him oh I didn't know. that yeah he hypnotized him with the. time he was 13 and he into being the. greatest fighter being the greatest. fighter wow and he told him you don't. exist only the task exists and the task.

was just tell you that yeah yeah I've. never heard him say that does he say. that to other people oh yeah he said it. publicly he talked about it yeah he. talked about the Hy the hypnosis they he. started doing it when he was 13 years. old so what's the parallel between and. this is the last thing I'll interview. you about what's the what's the thing. between Tyson and Jon Jones who I met. once and I looked at him when I met him. on a plane and he didn't give me really. the time of day but I was like I'm a. huge fan and I don't say that often to a.

lot of people because he probably get. out all day long you know I'm sure he. does there's no doubt special fighter. then it's conquerors that's what it is. like they're both conquerors like I I. had this thing that I put up on my. Instagram the other day that somebody. made it was a me talking about trying to. explain why Jon exists that there's. people that are just different they wire. different and they they are uncommon. amongst uncommon men they just they rise. to the top of the top of their dominate.

they just Dominate and that's John he's. just the greatest of all time he's 37. years old and he's still the greatest I. mean watching that fight watching. watching you know Tyson or Jake Paul or. whatever Jake Paul I would any want to. say Tyson and then going the next day. and watching that fight watching those. fights it wasn't the only fight the one. before was. uh gu what was his name the fight before. Jon Jones oh Charles Olivera and Michael. yeah incredible F incredible fight.

amazing fight yeah yeah John is a he's a. special dude when he's gone we're all. gonna miss him he a different kind of I. mean he's been at the top for 14 [ __ ]. years he won the title the youngest guy. to ever win a UFC title 23 23 and Mike. was the youngest heavyweight champion of. all time at 20 which is really crazy. crazy but when Jon Jones won that title. in 23 it's just been destruction of. everyone ever since every never ducked. anybody fought all the best destroyed.

everybody dominated his division went up. to heavyweight dominates at heavyweight. so why does somebody like that. self-destruct is that a self-destruction. a wild [ __ ] that's how you get. to be that good isn't that what we're. talking about the whole time is we're. talk like whether it's hter Thompson and. this and how you walk that line Mike. Tyson spending whatever 350 $400 million. going. whatever that is wild but that's also. what makes you so good that that. wildness J Jones when he fought Mauricio. Shogun haa for the light heavyweight. title when he was 23 years old he opens.

up the fight with a flying knee Nobody. Does that you're fighting a legend. Shogun at that time when he was the. light heavyweight champion he was a. legend and not just a legend from the. UFC but a legend from pride pride was. this gigantic organization in Japan that. Shogun really became famous so he was a. like a mythical creature almost in in. MMA circles he was that was Shogun haa. he was a Conor McGregor and Jon Jones. Jon's in a different category it's a.

different thing yeah Connor. self-destructed you. know in a lot of ways because of money. you know I mean he took that fight with. Floyd Mayweather made a ton of money off. that and then took a long time before he. came back to MMA and it's just not been. the same guy since and I think that's. just it's money it's a lot of partying. but it's the same kind of thing it's. just a wild but in his prime when when. Connor was in his prime he was [ __ ].

[ __ ] amazing he was a [ __ ]. assassin but it's that thing that. through line of not being able to let go. it's like what you were talking about. Chappelle Chappelle leaves for 10 years. but then he goes to the park and he does. a thing there's a thing that's. insatiable that Warrior mentality yeah. but there's a difference because. physically you can only fight for so. long comedy you get better every year. you keep doing Dave's better now than he. was a year ago go he'd be better two. years you can still be Rodney. Dangerfield eventually Rodney when I saw. him I was probably 70 years old and he. was murdering in his [ __ ] bathrobe.

naked with this schlong hanging out yeah. he was he was still amazing because it's. not a physical thing you don't have like. your body can only compete at the. highest levels for so long which is one. of the things that's so extraordinary. about John cuz he's 37 he still competes. at the highest level it blew my mind the. other night well it was exciting it was. nice to be excited something st's pass. his prime unfortunately and he's got a. lot of wear on the tires and it was kind. of rough watching him get beat up like. that but that's the game they play.

that's the sport yeah and what's great. about UFC that I never thought would. last in the beginning the great thing is. Anything Can Happen Happ anytime Frank. fertita and Lorenzo fatia always said. that every fight every UFC we we sell. holy [ __ ] moments that's that's what he. said like there's moments in the fight. where you're like holy [ __ ] you look. around at each other and everybody like. Nobody Does it Better than you when you. do this you go back in your thing you go. oh your eyes are we always did that but. then they started putting cameras on us.

right and I don't know why when they. started yeah we always did that every. time something would happen we would. because it's it's organic it's like you. can't help it that's what I'm doing at. home yeah holy [ __ ] holy [ __ ] yeah holy. [ __ ] holy [ __ ] yeah there's moments. where you just like you can't believe. it's really happening yeah that's the. sport the sport is it's the craziest. Sports the highest consequences of any. sport it's just it's so raw and. dangerous and you can't look away it's. so crazy and when someone can dominate.

it like Jon Jones or George St Pierre or. Mighty Mouse or any of the great George. St Pierre another great one great yeah. when they when they can do that it's. like that's a different kind of human. being it's just I mean to be the best of. the best people the best people in the. world at fighting and that he's the best. of the best people and when George was. in his prime it was that same sort of. thing you would see standing there like. this intense look in his eyes just. couldn't wait to get his [ __ ] hands. on that guy like God damn it's you I. feel very very very very fortunate that.

I've been able to witness personally so. many of those moments yeah and be there. to watch greatness so many times I think. it's great that you've continued it's. surprising to me that you I know you do. and that's why you continue to do it I. did the first like 13 of them for free. first 13 ever yeah the first thing I did. one no there was already it was like UFC. 37 oh oh when you got into I started. working at UFC 12 I did UFC 12 was the. first event that I did in 1997 I was the.

postf fight interview guy wow and so I. did that for a couple of years but it. was banned from cable it was basically. like that's why I said it was going it. kind of went like this and then it was. going down boxing did it to them boxing. and Cahoots with Budweiser which is. funny because now Bud white sponsor is. the UFC but they all wanted the MMA. thing to go it was so exting and crazy. they thought of it as a threat and uh. they they essentially banished it it. also just had this unsavory look to it.

you're fighting in a cage back in those. days it was Bare knuckle knuckle you. know and then bloody it was yeah it was. just crazy it was like they would call. it human [ __ ] fighting you know which I. always found was just disgusting but me. as a martial artist the question was. always what would happen if you got a. judo guy and he fought a wrestler what. would happen if you got a boxer and he. fought a karate guy what and the UFC is. like let's find out yeah you know so H. and Gracie came up with this concept. that's what I was going to say Gracie. was one of the first Judo versus.

Jiu-Jitsu right well ho you know and ho. was the first champion of the UFC and he. was the first guy that introduced that. like technique is more important than. everything technique is more important. than being big more important than being. strong cuz hoist was like 175 lbs he was. very slight and long and just a. Jiu-Jitsu wizard he would get guys on. the ground strangle the [ __ ] out of him. we were like what happened this is crazy. Jack gu on the Big Jack guys tapping. like what what happened and hoist just.

opened up the world to Brazilian. jiu-jitsu and it made Brazilian. jiu-jitsu like the most popular martial. art on earth like his appearances in the. UFC changed the entire course of martial. arts his family the Gracie family. particularly his father ilio his his. brother Hixon his brother hoer they and. Horan of course because he created UFC. they changed martial arts forever that. like more more development and evolution. of martial arts has taken place over the. last 30 years than over the last 30,000.

years wow yeah like really that's. accurate like fighting is different. people really understand what works and. what doesn't work now and watching him. was btic it was like a ballet was like. it wasn't it was Art real martial arts. no it wasn't that his dad told him don't. hurt these people don't hurt them you. have to hurt them show them the art. submit them show them the art yeah so. like hoist when he got on top of people. he wasn't like elbowing him the eyeballs. he was just strangling folks just armar.

folks making them tap making them quit. and and he did it to everybody and they. were all like what the [ __ ] just. happened and then everybody had to learn. Jiu-Jitsu it changed martial arts. forever do your kids do Jiu-Jitsu yeah. my kids have done it yeah have done it. yeah they don't do it anymore they do. other stuff I don't push them whatever. they're if they wanted to do it tomorrow. they said I'm thinking about doing some. kickbox like let's go where you want to. go right but I don't believe in. everybody's different I don't want them. to follow my footsteps or anything. stupid like that I just I want you to be. your own human being what are you.

interested in they're both interested in. different things my youngest is an. artist you know my other one is. phenomenal athlete it's like I think. that you should do what you want to do. and if you want to do that I'll bring. you I'll I'll show you I'll teach you. I'll help you but if you don't want to. do that I don't want to push you let me. be a good parent and celebrate what my. kid is not what I want there so many. different kinds of things you could be. interested in life and everyone has a. different psychology so everyone has. different things they gravitate towards. it's just like what is the thing is it.

music is it art is it your writing what. do you like to do find that thing Chase. it down how many kids do you have I have. three I have a grown she's 28 and I have. a 16 and a 14 yeah I feel like you've. got to do what what what compels you. what drives you and part of it as a. parent is like there's so many stories. of parents particularly with like. talented athletes that were too hard on. the kid and put too much discipline on. the kid and the kids burned out yeah. I've seen so many cases of that you know.

with. theseal or that Asian mentality [ __ ]. not here but there kill the joy Jo you. know what Hoy Gracie's dad used to do if. he lost a competition he would buy him a. present because what was the psychology. because they're always going to want to. win meaning the effort he bought the. effort bought the present for the effort. no it's like it doesn't matter it. doesn't matter like here you have a toy. here's a here's a gift here's a thing. like it's like this is just growth it's.

just just. development Ho's dad ilio felt like you. live the same life over and over and. over again until you get it right he he. subscribed to that like ancient Eastern. philosophy of reincarnation he really. believed you live the same life over and. over and until you get it right MH and. so his philosophy on do 1% better a day. just do 1% just give you it's not about. going from here to here it's not living. at 100% all the time it's the process.

it's the process it's the process the. constant process of growth yeah and and. through that constant process I mean. what they did was even more crazy. because ILO along with Carlos Gracie. they revolutionized a martial art like. they Jiu-Jitsu is brought over by these. judokas from Japan MAA and uh and camuro. who came over to America or came over to. Brazil rather and trained with the. Gracies and then they took those. techniques and made them applicable to.

smaller people made them applicable to. like cuz ILO was only 145 pounds but he. would have these no rules fights in. Brazil these [ __ ] huge fights that. would go for like an hour and a half wow. yeah and he would just beat these guys. with technique so they developed. leverage and te they they figured out a. way to highlight the submissions and. make things super technical and they. would an Iz moves and break them down. and it became the philosophy of the. entire family that one family created. more [ __ ] assassins than any other.

family in the history of M and they're. the nicest people met those yeah yeah I. had hor in here like a couple months ago. he was awesome he's so fun do you know. sessie no she's yeah girl she's with. lared a lot she's at L's place a lot I. mean they have a clan bro it's a clan. but it's a close Clan and it's a it's a. friendly familial Clan yep yeah they're. very nice people but that's the thing. about Jiu-Jitsu it's like you get out. all your aggression in the gym and it. kills your ego and you can go be kind. you can just be a nice person a nice. person jiujitsu people are some of the.

nicest people I've ever met to they're. super friendly and warm and like normal. people They just are obsessed with this. one thing yeah you know and through that. thing it's like a vehicle for developing. your human potential because it's so. difficult and when you do a difficult. thing it makes the rest of Life a lot. easier because there's no way whatever. you're experiencing during the is going. to be as difficult as someone on your. back trying to strangle the blood out of. your brain like literally trying to. [ __ ] choke the blood out of your head.

like there's there's no way there's no. way life could be harder than that but. that's the thing is the wildness you. have to have something to be a champion. To Be A Champion or to be a good person. I think you have wildness which we've. talked about throughout this whole thing. if you don't have wildness you're going. to be bring it back honestly because I. have to bring it back to the book that's. what the book is about yeah wildness. unmitigated right but you eventually. figured out eventually turns on you no. but most people it turns around and it. bites you in the ass it's a sad ending.

but I think those sad endings are a. valuable lesson for the other people. power of example yeah you learn from a. lot of one of the reasons why I never. did Coke is when I was in high school my. friend's cousin became a cokehead he was. a coke dealer and became a cokehead and. him and his girlfriend would just do. Coke and hide they would just like they. had an attic apartment they were in this. [ __ ] apartment just like doing coke. and selling Coke watching TV and and he. like withered away he lost all this. weight like he got bit by a vampire yeah. and I remember thinking Jesus Christ.

stay the [ __ ] away from Coke Terri why. why would you want to do that what would. be attractive about that nothing I guess. it's the I mean you've done it I haven't. done it I guess it's the Euphoria when. you get that hit you that feeling that. that feeling of elevation you know that. feeling of like you know you just no. fear and you feel excited you want to. start a business with people. and you got plans about we're going to. [ __ ] take over love in the in in like. in the description of it the eyes kind. of get like this and the craziness you.

say and you go yeah it's bad for. everybody else it may be good for you. for like 15 minutes but everybody else. is [ __ ] miserable around you the. worst thing to me was when I would be. high like smoking weed and I'd be like. just chilled and silly and I'd run into. a cokehead and like oh no he's trying to. talk to you like this you just get. batter with like talk. like I got to get out of here it's. disgusting to me it's a weird drug it's. a weird drug but it's obviously very. popular yeah and causes a lot of.

problems yeah no thanks anymore yeah no. thanks I'm good not interested in that. one you smoke your butt I'll smoke my. cigar yeah I like cigars too cigars are. conversational they tools for. conversation they relax you light your. brain up a little bit get you a little. little fired up read this book when you. can I will seriously I think you'll like. it I know I like it I like talking to. you yeah it's uh yeah you'll laugh. you'll laugh not everybody will laugh. when they read the book you will laugh.

cuz I think you understand absurdity how. long did it take you to put it together. two years it's nonlinear it goes all. over the place in all these years did. you have when you sat down did you have. like a framework in mind of how you. wanted to pursue it no no no cuz I've. written probably 90 journals in my life. 90 full journals and I would go back and. I kind of started to put some of those. together and I'd go oh that happened in. 88 or that happened in 76 and that you. know that kind of stands out as being a. you know Milestone moment or whatever.

and I start to write those down they. were really poorly written and then that. started to instigate one thing and. another thing and it kind of wrote it. itself I think it was. 450 pages when I finished and then I. knocked it down till like. 240 what is that process like the. editing process that's a good process. that's the hardest process I've ever. gone through should become a better. writer it's like with an editor or do. you do it by yourself I did no I did it. with an editor cuz I didn't sell the. book right away you know how Memoir. first of all most Memoirs are not.

written by the people who they're about. which makes no sense to me right CU. you're writing about yourself but you're. hiring somebody else to do it but you're. taking the money I don't get it so I. wrote it I wrote the entire book then I. sold it so I didn't sell it based on a. celebrity I sold it based on the book. cuz you could read the book and whe and. some people hated it some people read it. and they go I don't get it it's too wild. it's too whatever and well everything is. not for everybody exactly and that's. okay yeah that's not it's more than okay.

it's what's Wild is when I when I when I. was in the middle which I think you. would like when I was in the middle of. doing the audible for the book about. halfway through stumbling through the. audible I go what the [ __ ] did I do I. should burn any evidence that this. [ __ ] was ever even thought about and. then I spiraled for about month and I. don't spiral I just don't spiral about. every anything I just I'm pretty cool. with anything that you know comes along. and then people started reading the book.

and then I got this varied response that. was always visceral it was never like I. really liked your book a lot I thought. it was well written and all that. somebody would go [ __ ] yeah and that's. nice that means you nailed it I don't. know yeah I don't know but I do know. that the responses are good well that's. what's important yeah it's working it it. it had the desired effect you got out. your thoughts you got out your. experiences but that editing prop the. editing process is a good process. because you you refine and you clarify.

and you simplify and yeah that's cool. you get to look at it with fresh eyes. with fresh eyes you know it's the arm. bar you could just grab an arm and then. try to bend it as much as you can or you. can [ __ ] figure out how to get in. there every time did you and tap the guy. out did you always know that you're. going to do this you're going to write. this book no I'd written two or three. books and put them in the corner in a. dark corner and let them accumulate dust. you know I've never I never thought I. would do it publicly because I was. always into that thing of like oh you're. an actor and like get over it you want.

you want to be a writer you want to be a. writer you want to be a musician every. actor wants to be a mus want rockar yeah. exactly and I was like No And then this. lady read this book this lit agent and. she said I said it the third time and. she said you need to [ __ ] stop saying. referencing yourself as an actor who's a. writer you're a [ __ ] writer and a. really good writer just right and she. was tough on me so you feel like you had. like almost like a disclaimer like I'm. I'm an actor like that's what you're.

doing giving yourself like an escape I. did because there was something about. that profession anyway that I always. looked at and I always thought why am I. why do I do this this is. dumb you know what I mean and what like. where's the self-importance come from. like what happened to the wagon that. just went down and like people tried to. shoot you doesn't the self-importance. just come from attention you get. extraordinary amounts of attention then. people develop self-importance because. of that CU I think they deserve that. attention cuz it's a false thing yeah.

and then you start seeing people. manifest it like excuse me I said hot. coffee I didn't say warm coffee I said. you know and you go I don't I don't. understand the mentality so for me it's. probably another attempt which I think. I've manifested in a bunch of different. ways of right sizing and there's nothing. like that will rightsize you like a. [ __ ]. book put you right back into why are you. doing what you were doing where do you.

come from how do you feel about your. kids where's your. sensitivity where's your where are. things that have become concrete that. you need to break in order to feel again. you know where are you limiting. yourself and I don't like the the idea. of limiting myself like what I love to. at did I love drinking when I [ __ ] yeah. I had so much fun dude and so did a lot. of other people but I go this is now. limiting well don't you want to go out.

and take a drink I go [ __ ] no but when. you're out with a bunch of people having. fun no cuz I'm having fun right you. don't need to drink to have fun but. there's a thing when you're drinking a. lot and having fun you think this is the. reason why I'm having fun this is the. reason why I'm having fun yeah it's a. trap that's the Trap yeah that's the. Trap well you know you can have a drink. or two and really enjoy yourself or you. could think that the only reason why. you're enjoying yourself is because. you're having a drink or two and that's. usually why you have more drinks because. you think this is the reason people are.

liking me right now this is the reason. people think I'm funny and you keep. chasing that dve imagine if you went on. stage and every time you went on stage. you had to have at least six drinks cuz. you go this is what they want and then. you'd wake up in the morning and your. kid goes and wakes you up and you're. like. [ __ ] you know and you go that's not. worth it what's the [ __ ] dude's name. from Night Rider you know what I'm. talking about oh David yeah you ever see. that video the kids the burger video. yeah it's the saddest [ __ ] thing ever.

yeah it didn't look like a good burger. uh well he's just hammered and his kid. filmed it it's awful oh it's so awful. it's so cringy yeah that's what. everybody's afraid of becoming that. pathetic example to children and you. wonder how much that exists and the. video is not going that that that. daughter videoed that right like I want. you to see what this looks like right. and supposedly that kind of threw him. into his sobriety or whatever I don't. know if he or not did he if I don't know. I hope he is if anything would throw you.

into sobriety your children filming you. the lowest moment possible would do it. for you yeah I didn't want to be filmed. so I stopped early you got off you got. off time get the last time yeah I D yeah. it was super lame I was at a what do you. call it a delt. and I tapped the cab in front of me. accidentally when I was moving forward. and he got out and like created a thing. and somebody filmed it from the back of.

the cab oh wow yeah and I look. stupid you can't [ __ ] you can't. [ __ ] drive get out [ __ ] drive. you're like oh dear shh quiet don't. speak no don't speak there's nothing. worse than being sober and seeing. something when you're drunk oh no I'm so. gross because your perception of it. while you were you were like no man this. is an honorable moment you're saying I. did something that I didn't do right and. we need to Hash this. out when when when the when the reality.

is is you're just kind of regurgitating. [ __ ]. yeah also you know how to like affect. people with your words yeah you know how. to express yourself in a dramatic way. and you think you're going to [ __ ]. get through this on top an actor. [ __ ] [ __ ]. this I'm going Shakespeare on you you. know my favorite movie of yours is what. No Country for Old Men why cuz it's so. [ __ ] up because it's so [ __ ] up it's.

such a [ __ ] up movie it's so and even. the end the end when it ends you're like. what happened what that's the end yeah. it's like that guy what's his name. Javier what's his name God damn that guy. was a good psycho he was so good God. damn that movie was so it was just so. unusual and intense and there was no. feeling and people ask this all the time. there was no feeling that it was a. special movie really yeah I told you I. went back to Marfa Texas for the first. time in 18 years with Stapleton and the.

guy running the bank is the first guy. that Javier kills in the movie This Is. the guy running the bank right now Chip. wow right and I talk to chip I have a. picture of me and Chip and I talk to. Chip and I said I said [ __ ] you were the. first guy you know did you think that. and he said no that was a friend of a. friend who said that they were. auditioning people and the reason I did. it is because I figured nobody would. ever see it it seemed like a. small no that's the proprietor it's the.

first guy that Javier killed. outside um that was a good scene though. the what is that dude like person Javier. the best the sweetest human being one of. my best friends crazy yeah that that's. inside of him that he can well that's. the thing that's what makes him an. artist yes yeah because he's one of. these guys that literally he was so. depressed during that thing really oh my. god dude cuz he didn't like doing it no. he was like look at my hair what the.

[ __ ] you know what I mean that's. depressed him his look at look at him oh. my God he played genus a good psychopath. he wore SPF 100 he had an umbrella all. the time to keep the sun off him see how. pale he looks yeah but yeah that's the. guy the guy to the left that's chip can. you stand there for a second please so. he was really depressed because of his. hair yeah and me and Woody would take. him out we would take him out to the. cowgirl what was it called cowgirl.

Cafe and and we would have drinks with. him we would make him because he would. stay in his apartment with the like the. drapes drawn and all this kind of [ __ ]. he just didn't want to go out he said I. don't like I don't like violence I don't. drive I don't know why they hired me why. the [ __ ] did they hire me like why am I. here well how did he pull that out then. and I'm from Spain like this guy is not. from Spain I remember when we worked we. sat in a trailer and he said in that. that proprietor scene he's has this. great line he goes call it takes the.

coin and goes like that and he says call. it the guy says I don't want to call it. and he says you have to call it it's. Destiny calling for you and and we were. in his trailer and jaier says how do you. say it and I said call it and jaier kept. saying call it and I said no dude call. can you hear. it put the. headphones the most you ever L on a CO. TOS sir the most you ever lost on a coin. toas I don't know I couldn't.

say call it call it yes for what just. go well we need to know what we're. calling it for here you need to call it. I can't call it for you it wouldn't be. fair I didn't put nothing up yes you did. you've been putting it up your whole. life you just didn't know. it you know what date is on this coin no.

1958 It's been traveling 22 years to get. here and now it's here and it's either. heads or. tails and you have to say call it look I. need to know what I stand to win. everything how's that you stand to win. everything call it. all. right heads.

in well. done don't put it in your pocket sir. don't put it in your pocket it's your. like. water where you want me to put it. anywhere not in your pocket what get mix. thing with the others and becoming just. a kind. which it. is I mean if you look at that from a.

different perspective you say that scene. could have been the worst scene. ever it's because of the Simplicity of. the. scene it just what the. consequences it's the in the air it just. hangs and you know that this guy has. some sort of weird morals it's so good. man yeah he's got some code that he. lives by and he's about to impose this. code on this guy and has no problem. putting that bolt through his brain no.

problem and the guy knows it and he. doesn't even know what he knows it it's. just he just knows it yeah and you sit. there and you just kind fuing scene it's. a great scene man yeah how did you not. know that movie was great while you were. doing it cuz it was so we were just the. Cohen Brothers are [ __ ] amazing. they're amazing but you were were just. having they had done two movies that. were sort of bigger than what they. normally do one was with Clooney and one. was with Tom Hanks and it didn't work. old brother h no the [ __ ] old brother.

was amazing was. amazing was Lady Killers and what was. the one. with well there you go yeah um but they. yeah so I think they just went back to. this simple like burn No Burn After. Reading was after no country which was. also really good super good but yeah. they just kind of went back to this very. kind of feral you know base place and. just said let's just tell this simple.

story and let's let it happen let's. maybe I don't know I don't think they're. like this you know why you were doing it. though like the it just didn't have it. didn't have that Vibe it was so simple. wild it was so simple and and the wild. saw it though into the what dude when I. saw I saw it with my kid which was. probably super irresponsible was yourid. he was 16 he was like that's on the. that's on the you know the cost but I. saw it with him in an editing room on a. big. screen and we left and we got in the car.

and we didn't talk for 15 minutes and. that's never happened wow like literally. not one word wow and then I said what do. you think and he goes. [ __ ] which is a great response that. movie that's that mov that that is that. movie that movie is you know you want to. tie it together too in the end and like. a typical Hollywood ending and Javier. and my character go head-to-head at the. end and and that doesn't happen so you. do so which is How It Was Written In the.

book Cormac and I got to know Cormac. really well you know I was with Cormac. the night before he died and oh no. kidding wow yeah so and I asked that guy. could [ __ ] write [ __ ] dude some of. the greatest writing American writing. ever yeah in the history this country. there was something about his writing. it's like geez Jesus Christ that's. another one of those guys artists where. you go I would I would ask him about his. writing didn't want to talk about it. ever and then finally got mad at me one. day and he was like I I don't [ __ ]. know man I just sit down at the.

typewriter and it comes like what do you. want me to tell you wow I was like all. right. man [ __ ] 87 years old. relax but he could write I mean he had. some he was tapped into and talk about a. guy who just like you were like the Muse. and do you have a special place and do. you have this thing that no just sits. down and writes the bed that he was on. it was me his ex-wife his son and. Cormac that last night wow always at the.

edge of his bed was that typewriter that. he used for 25 30 years to write all. those novels and then he had one before. that that was exactly the same but that. typewriter was on a old piece of wood at. the foot of his bed wow and even at the. end he would just grab that thing. and wow get it out it's cool yeah. there's rare humans like that that have. that thing yeah yeah they just tap into. something they tap into it and they just. keep going they get on that path and.

they just keep going it just keeps. getting better they just get better at. it we've talked about a series of very. special. people you know what makes the what's. the difference of what makes somebody. that special that iconic are they crazy. are they definitely different they're. different yeah I mean it's a resistance. to the norm it's it's acceptance of. reality it's a poetic understanding of. our place in the universe there's so.

many different things that are all sort. of coalescing into this but they see. they see through a different lens though. they're just made of a they're made up. of a different that's probably why he. talk about it he didn't want to [ __ ] it. up he didn't want to [ __ ] it up he. didn't want to mitigate he didn't want. to he didn't want to lessen it he didn't. want to what's word make it make it. pedestrian yes you know what I mean yes. he didn't want to try you know sometimes. magic is just magic you don't want to. like figure out what's how it's.

happening yeah just know that you can do. it and just keep doing it exactly you. know just be be a Craftsman be a person. who's like dedicated to this thing yeah. you know yep he has to know he had to. know it was really good I mean enough. people told him it was really good yeah. but if you have even even a guy like. that who wrote the first up until All. the Pretty Horses none of his books sold. that's pretty crazy like a thousand. people bought it500 people bought it and.

then it was made into a movie and then. and then you go back and you're like all. these ban books that we know back in the. day 1984 George Orwell you know Henry. Miller all these [ __ ] people you know. people were like. ew and then how many you know van go. painting a painting and all those. paintings being outside getting rained. on and now they're selling for $100. million yeah all after he's dead all. after he's dead yeah he never knew he. sold one painting in his lifetime so he.

never got to not even a little bit. experience what look at what you did. right wow man well maybe that's why. they're so good because they expression. whether people paid attention or not. it's who they were and themselves to. it% he's an artist an artist a real. artist yeah yeah thanks dude thank you. it was a lot of fun really appreciate it.

I really appreciate it I'm going to read. your book immediately I would like you. to I will definitely you're one guy. would really like for you to I'll get on. it okay man all right thank you man. thank you very much bye everybody bye. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].