Joe Rogan Experience #2204 - Matt Walsh

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day all right hello what's happening hey. great to be back thanks for having me. your movie is really funny it's really. funny by myself laughing out loud. hysterically today I watched it in the. sauna I watched it in the gym I watched. it uh it it was it's one of the best.

comedies I've seen in a long time. because there's so many moments in it. that are so uncomfortable uh that means. a lot I appreciate that yeah that's what. we're what we're hoping for the robin. the robin d'angela one where you gave. that guy money for reparations and you. got her she thought it was. uncomfortable yeah that was kind of uh. we when we had the idea for the for the. film to talk about race we knew we. needed to get Robin D'Angelo I didn't. think we'd get her cuz I figured she'd. be a lot more sa cautious yeah Savvy and.

cautious uh but apparently she doesn't. she has no idea what's happening outside. of her Bubble at all so she didn't know. who I was I mean I gave her my name and. she had no clue so wow uh so but we we. kind of went into that knowing what the. end was supposed to be if we could get. her we came up with that idea we went to. a bar uh the night before the interview. and we came up with this idea could we. get her to actually pay reparations to. ban our Black producer.

and uh we had to kind of talk him into. it and you know it was really just like. in real time I was there for about two. hours and it was an hour and a half of. the most mind-numbing conversation where. I'm just none of that's in the movie. because it's just me like fluff. questions and and I'm and I'm repeating. back to her own ideas so she knows that. I'm a safe person right it's a safe. space and then you got to build to it. and build to it and build to it and. finally you get to a point where you can. do something a little weird and and.

she'll probably go along with it and um. and she did I mean you saw we go through. a whole we have a whole series of. exercises we we want to do with her and. she went she did it she was uh she was. game. so that was uh and that was one of the. first things we filmed so after we got. that we knew that okay we have a movie. here I feel like you got your money's. worth with her seen as it's $155,000 but. I feel like you got robbed by the the. lady that got upset about the. mascot 50 Grand you barely got anything.

out of her yeah that was well part of. the the point of the movie is that's why. we put the uh the price tags on the. screen um we want people to see how. absurd it is so in a certain way it was. like it the the higher they quoted the. price we said great we'll pay we'll pay. that because this is this we want this. in the movie right um because if all. these people had said oh yeah I'll do it. for free or I'll do it for 200 bucks. just pay my travel doesn't really make. the point right but they all were uh. were quoting exorbitant prices and she.

was she was the most $50,000 and then. she basically said almost nothing but um. but it was it was okay no one ever found. out who the identity of the mascot is no. I don't think so it would have been. hilarious if it was a person of color. well it almost certainly was it it. almost certainly was because if it was a. white guy they would have thrown him. under the bus yeah yeah they would have. so the fact that they didn't yeah could. it's probably some like Hispanic kid or. something and you got to imagine you.

can't see real good with that [ __ ]. costume have you ever put a mascot. costume on I haven't but I can tell that. there's little eyelets you can't even. see what's below you exactly that's why. yeah Duncan and I did a whole podcast. where we pretended to be furries we. lasted we we every podcast we do we. dress up we'll dress up like Star Wars. people or whatever spaceship people we. did a podcast as fures we kept the. helmets on for maybe 5 minutes we're. like I can't [ __ ] do it we both took. them off like props to the furries if. you could run around with this thing. this is hard to do like you can't see.

[ __ ] you can't breathe so the idea that. he missed those kids is the fur the. fures are doing a lot more than running. around in those things too so that's the. they are they they are I think they. designed special ones for that yeah I. don't even want to know but but like a. hatch but that's it's actually a perfect. example of the what these people do. these these race Hustlers that something. happened it was a little bit unpleasant. yes not a big deal there's a million. ways to interpret that it's just a. normal human thing that happens in the. world like things happen that are a.

little bit unpleasant you're. disappointed your kid didn't get a high. five okay it happens uh but for them. they have one lens for seeing the world. and the lens is through this left-wing. racial ideology so everything that. happens is colored by that right uh and. everything is understood through that. lens so anything I mean you think about. uh Michelle Obama when she was first. lady she had multiple stories that she. would tell about as first lady being. discriminated against because of her. race allegedly and one of them was um.

she was in line for ice cream or. something and someone cut in front of. her and she told this story in some. interview this very dramatic story about. well they didn't see her because she's. black and meanwhile it's like we've all. been cutting L people have cut in front. of all of us it's just that if it. happens to me at Walmart I don't think. of it racially I just think oh this. person is an [ __ ] exactly but for her. it's all it's all racial so that's. that's a crazy one to say that someone. cutting in front of you a selfish Act is. somehow racist just BEC that's like.

looking for racism. everywhere that kind of situation is so. normal it's so normal that some dick. Cuts in front of you right exactly it's. a it's an unpleasant thing that happens. to all people and if and if you're not. in the uh kind of race Hustler or bubble. you don't you don't see it that way but. that's but it's interesting that nobody. wants to call that out nobody wants to. be reasonable nobody wants to say well. is that like you just say oh wow you. know you have to listen to it that's. part of the problem.

like you can't say are you sure that's. racist cuz then you're a racist. apologist and then you're racist by. proxy yeah and how do you know so how do. you know what's in that other person's. mind how can you ascribe motives to them. this it it drives me nuts that this is. what this is what we do now where if. someone does something or says something. someone else is offended by it that. person who's offended gets to. decide what the intent was behind the. other person's action to the extent that. if the other person says no no no this. was my intention I'll tell you what it.

was they don't get to have a say in. their the intentions behind their own. actions they they are they are suddenly. not authorities in in their own behavior. exactly this other person who was the. offended party gets to inform you what. you meant by that thing um which is. really what the the you know I mean the. move is called am icist but in. reality uh there's only one person who. can answer whether you're a racist. person and that's you and if you don't. think that you're racist then you then.

you aren't because racism is a thought. process and if it's not in your head. then you're not racist you might you. might have stereotypical views about. people of other races everybody does to. some extent you might think things that. are even insulting about people of other. races but it's not it's not racist. because racist means you hate people of. other races or you think they're. inferior to you right uh but you could. be not a racist person and think that. whatever uh Asians are bad drivers you. know you could think that that.

stereotype is true whether it's true or. not you just happen to think that that's. a true thing about this group doesn't. mean you hate them doesn't mean that you. think that they're inferior it's just. you can say Frat Boys are annoying and. not hate men exactly yeah this show is. sponsored by better help it's a really. healthy good thing to talk about what. you're going through with people the. good and the bad don't keep it all. bottled up and sometimes it that can be. friends or family but it also helps to. talk to pros and that that's where.

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blinds.com for details exactly whether. and and mo exact and most of the time. these stereotypes they didn't just fall. out of the sky like they're grounded in. something if they did no one would it. wouldn't make any sense right uh and. nobody would be offended that's a thing. nobody would be offended by a stereotype. that had no that that really was not. true at all right you're only offended. because it rings true at least a little. bit because otherwise it would just be. it would be absurd which is why when you. get I mean in the movie we go uh there's.

a a section where we go kind of outside. the this bubble and we go down we talk. to bikers at a biker bar in the South we. talked to the poor black community in. New Orleans and um the only reason we. did that was just well let's let's find. people who are not they probably didn't. go to college so they didn't get they. didn't get brainwashed there they're not. getting the corporate Dei seminars. they're not listen they're not reading. Robin D'Angelo or any of these people um. what do they think about this what are. they worried about systemic racism do.

they see everything as racist all the. time and what we found is no they're. just not even they they they don't even. speak that language when you say the. term systemic racism to them they say. what do you mean by that what is that. well this was something that like like. people are always concerned about people. being racist but there's something that. happened in this country somewhere. around 201. 12ish where things really really ramped. up and it it just. became it just became much more of a. subject a subject that was like.

constantly around you know worrying. about racial bias and and and it and it. ramped up right it ramped up till you. get to the point where you do have some. of these race Hustlers that are saying. everyone's racist you're all you must. confront your unconscious bias and we're. all and you're just constantly hearing. about it it's like I think be and I. think you're right that it was around. 2012 BLM uh came into formation in 2013. I think that was the Trayvon Martin. thing. um and it's so it's not a coincidence.

that it seemed like race relations in. this country were improving decade after. decade they weren't perfect but it. seemed like they were pretty good much. better than the 60s yeah the '90s I grew. up in the '90s it was not perfect but I. grew up in a diverse area I went to. public school a lot of people different. ethnicities and races we didn't we. weren't talking about racism all the. time it was basically fine uh and and. then something happened in the you know. middle part of the you know first decade. of the 2000s where it seemed like things.

started backsliding and that's right. right at the time when when uh Barack. Obama was elected and that's not a. coincidence I think a lot of people have. noticed that it's it's odd that we had a. black president and then all of a sudden. now we're having race riots again and I. think the reason is. that when you elect a black president I. didn't like Obama I didn't vote for him. I think his policies are terrible but. you would think that at least one. positive you could draw from that is. that well at least means that systemic.

racism is not a problem in this country. anymore I mean if the if a black guy. could rise to the top of the system and. run it then clearly the system is not. racist against black people uh and in. fact was was overwhelmingly voted into. that position by Americans which is true. so that is evidence that America isn't. systemically racist against black people. but the race Hustlers don't want us to. draw that conclusion they're worried. that we'll look at Obama as President. and say okay well racism isn't a big. issue anymore and that's a problem for. them because there's a lot of power.

money and influence to be found in the. racist Nar racism narrative so they had. to kind of like double up on their. efforts to convince us that America is. actually racist which is why during. Obama's term that's when we started. getting all these race hoaxes and the. race riots and BLM uh that's when things. like people started talking about. microaggressions and all this kind of. nonsense because they needed to tell us. that yeah you might think uh that this. issue is kind of solved now but it's not. racism actually is actually worse than. you ever imagine it's lurking everywhere.

and now we're at a. point you and then and then not long. after that they started tearing down you. know confederate Civil War monuments and. stuff stuff that's been there for like a. hundred years which was always weird. because a hundred years ago people could. whatever walk by a Rober E Lee monument. and not care it wasn't a big deal to. them black or white now all of a sudden. it's a bigger deal to us than it was to. people whose like parents fought you. know they they had grandparents who.

fought in the Civil War or died in the. Civil War they were okay with it and yet. for us what the wounds of the Civil War. are fresher or more raw for us than they. were for people a century ago it makes. no sense how are we less able to be. objective and non-emotional about the. Civil War than people who who had family. member I mean slave ex-slaves were still. living back then um well I think it's. because it's just like a religious. ideology like when the Taliban started. blowing up those ancient statues of. Buddhas do you remember that yeah.

because like they could like they. destroyed things that were a part of. human history that we would have studied. for thousands of years and they. destroyed them because they didn't go. along with their religious ideology and. I think part of the woke thing is this. religious ideology that has to be. followed and you you cannot stray from. the lines you have to stay inside. whatever this ideology is promoting and. telling you what to do and one of the.

things was that you had to take down all. these statues of terrible people and I. remember Trump saying at the time well. the problem with that is like eventually. they're going to take down George. Washington and everybody thought he was. crazy like that's a crazy thing to say. but once they got past Civil War people. then they got to who owned slaves and. then they got to taking down they wanted. to take down statues of Thomas Jefferson. and eventually did get to George. Washington yeah and that was always it. was always going to go that way because. George Washington the founding fathers.

own. slaves not only that but they were. Rebels you know rebelling against a. governmental Authority and if they had. lost then they all would have been uh. hanged as traitors and that's how they'd. be remembered thankfully they didn't but. so there's a is actually there's a. there's a it's not that far of a leap to. go from from one to the other and of. course the issue is. that everybody who lived on earth prior. to.

about certainly prior to 100 years. ago is racist by our standards today. every single one right there was no one. who lived on earth 100 years ago who we. would not consider racist anywhere of. any race um if you go back 200 Years or. or earlier than that almost everybody. either owned slaves or was okay with. slavery as an institution you go back. 500. years and there was nobody on the planet. who who considered slavery to be wrong.

fundamentally they might have had issues. with how slaves are treated in some. context but it took like thousands of. years for it to ever even occur to a. single human on earth that slavery is. actually fundamentally wrong uh which is. a crazy thing and that's actually an. interesting thing we could you could. talk about and and think about like why. is that how could it be that it's so. obvious to us but the some of the. greatest minds of History they never. thought of it uh but we can't talk about. that because we have to talk about. slavery and racism as if they're. exclusively white Western phenomena well.

I've had friends that have a different. perspective on the Obama situation and. uh my friend Willie was talking to me. about this and he was saying that what. happened was when you look one thing. that we can be sure of is that racists. are real there are real racists in this. country There's real anti-black racist. anti-asian racist there's certain people. that have hateful ideology in this. country just in certain percentage of. them in the world so th those real and.

when Obama became president those people. became more emboldened and he said that. he saw a lot more of that online and a. lot more attacks and especially in. uncensored online forums like forchan. and places where you can kind of get. away with saying whatever the [ __ ] you. want he said he saw a lot more of that. on the streets and he said this is. probably why he believed Michelle Obama. didn't want to run for president because. she experienced so much of that hate. while they're in the White House forget. about hate for their their policies and.

what you think about them as President. and Vice and and first lady but the the. racism hate so his perspective as a. black guy was like you had to be a black. person to realize how angry people were. that there was a black guy who was. president because that was real too it. was real that racism in America and. racial relations in America had changed. radically since the 1960s certainly. since the 1920s and 30s and and over the. years it's kept getting better but in.

his mind there was something that. happened where when Barack Obama got. into the White House that the real. hardcore racist got very vocal and he. experienced it and I think this is Akin. in some ways to what's going on with. anti-Semitism online because uh I think. there's always been a certain amount of. people in this country and in the world. that are like deeply. anti-semitic and uh they just don't like. Jews and and when something happens.

where all of a sudden now it's okay to. criticize Jews because of Israel's. position in Gaza and what they've done. now you see anti-Semitism just pop out. of the woodwork I think there's there's. something like that where people feel. emboldened to talk about things so like. maybe we just don't have an accurate. account of how [ __ ] up some people are. but the general population and whether. you're conservative or whether you're. liberal everybody kind of agre that. racism is a stupid thing there's amazing.

people of all ethnicities and colors and. you should judge people like Martin. Luther King said by the content of their. character we all agree with that but. there's a certain amount of people that. are always going to be racist but when. you start looking for it everywhere and. saying everything is racist first of all. you are it's an insult to real racism. it's an insult to the people that are. the victims of real racism when you. consider microaggressions or cutting in.

line in front of you to get ice cream. that's a vict there's people that are. real victims of racism and pretending. that everything is racist just minimizes. that and in fact makes probably makes. more people racist it's going to make a. bunch of dumb liberals like like drop to. their knees or give you money for. reparations but it's going to make a. bunch of other people really resentful. and it just polarizes us and and drives. people further and further apart yeah. it's just genuinely stupid. uh it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and I.

I think that's that's true um what what. he said. about I'm sure that when there's a black. president that we know there are real. racist out there they're anti-black RAC. they're anti-white racist but uh they're. out there. and social media was also really coming. online around that time so people had a. forum to express this kind of stuff and. anonymously anonymously and so yeah. those people come out of the woodwork. I'm sure that did happen I don't deny. that the difference though is.

that uh that kind of racism is personal. and. individual it's not systemic it's not in. the system right and. also it's absolutely rejected uh by. Society it's absolutely rejected by. polite Society so there's a reason why. they had to go to forchan or whatever to. express those views because you can't. come out in public and say it uh with. and if you do it'll be like the end of. your whatever your career is it's. probably the end of it uh and that's.

kind. of that's the most you're going to when. it comes as you said there's never going. to be a time when there's no racist in. the world so the most you can do is okay. we're not going to have this stuff. systemically we're GNA the system is. going to treat everybody equally great. we cross that off the list we've already. done that um actually we've gone too far. because you got affirmative action where. now you're discriminating against white. and Asian people but so anti-black. racism is out of the system fantastic. that's good uh it's not accepted by. mainstream syst Society great and then.

so that's kind of it I mean what else. can we do with this uh you can't you. can't get inside people's hearts and. make them not feel things those people. are going to be out there they know that. it's not accepted in mainstream society. and uh and I I kind of think you you. could sort of move on from it culturally. to other issues it's not a major issue. anymore um but they won't allow it and. you're right that then it's got this. pendulum thing where okay well if you go.

after white people and you demonize them. relentlessly and you do it practically. from birth now through the school. system some of those white people are. going to end up being stricken by guilt. and they're going to walk around feeling. like they're guilty for something that's. the the white guilt liberal thing but. then you're going to have others who uh. kind of become exactly what you accuse. them of being because they're like oh. you know what if you're going to call me. racist anyway then you know what fine um.

and there's going know resentment that. builds up and then you actually create. more of it which I think they're happy. about if if actual racism is increasing. in society I don't know if it is or not. but I think the people that call. themselves anti-racist are quite happy. about that well business is booming but. the other thing is like think about. Robin D'Angelo who you said just lives. in her own bubble and really doesn't. didn't know who you were and didn't. catch on at any point in time that any. of this stuff was ridiculous like these. people that this if that's all you think. about and that's all you like I have.

friends that uh live in California and. every now and then I'll talk to them and. some politics issue will come up and. they give me this [ __ ]. CNBC they give me this MSNBC this. [ __ ] propaganda viewpoint on. something that's so wrong just so and I. just go okay I I can't like you're. you're in your in your bubble there's no. there's no real discourse there's no. real. dis there's no discussions about whether.

or not what these people are saying is. correct it's just you're a part of this. tribe and this is what you believe and I. think that's the case with these. anti-racist people too they might not. some of them might be like just hardcore. grifters like they could be playing. three card money or they could just get. corporations to give them money by by. saying that everybody's racist there's. some people that are definitely like. that but there's other people that are. just that's their friend group like that. their Social Circle their Social Circles.

all people believe this stupid [ __ ] and. they all Yap it to each other and they. they say it like it's a mantra and they. pray five times a day with it you know. it's really like a religious thing I. think it is like a yeah I think you're. exactly right about that I that's that's. why for me the more so the grifters that. are getting paid that's not that. complicated to figure out why they're. doing it like they're they're getting. paid a lot of them uh a lot of them are. and and even when they're not there's P. there's still power and influence and. they're being cons insulted as kind of. these moral gurus which is which is very.

Strokes the ego 100% that's rewarding. for the the the more interesting thing. is what about the people who go to those. people and consult them as moral gurus I. mean in the movie we have this's race to. dinner where you got these white women. who sit around a table and they invite. these other two women Cyra R and Regina. Jackson to come to dinner they pay them. to come to dinner and call them them. racist for two hours and it's like why. would you subject yourself to that it's. it's so it's seems like the most.

miserable experience to if volunteer to. be broken down and insulted and degraded. which is what happened to these women I. mean I saw it they were like two hours. of them just. getting you're racist you're racist. you're racist they had to go around the. table confess their racist. sins uh and then they all they each go. and they say what their racist sin like. what's a racist thing you've done. recently they all confess and I'm. listening to it it's like none of you. have actually done anything racist. listen to all your stories none of that.

is racist there's a there's a woman who. said that uh she's married to a black. guy and. she yeah he's loud and she tells him to. quiet down. sometimes what wife has not said that to. their husband. so uh exactly what I get that once a. month right so what do they I think my. wife is racist she she could be she. could be she's racist at yeah yeah she's. sexist against me uh so what are they. why what are they getting out of it well. they're getting out of it first of all. they're terrified of being called.

racists so they jumped the gun so they. they they headed off at the path like. I'm going to make sure I'm not racist so. I'm going to become an anti-racist you. know I talked about this before but when. my kids were young like um uh my. youngest was pretty young when um they. started doing this anti-racism thing at. the school where they said uh it's not. enough to be not ra this is actually. right after we left so it's right after. like the Geor Floyd things popped off. they said it's not good enough to not be.

racist you have to be anti-racist yeah. you're talking about some of these kids. in that school are. six like what are you saying it's not. enough what are you saying you saying a. six-year-old has to be an anti-racist. can't they just play with their toys. can't they just go to the park and hang. out with their friends can't they just. play sports can't they just enjoy each. other's six-year-olds don't give a [ __ ]. what color somebody is they don't they.

all just play together they just want to. play with the people who are nice to. them and who they have fun with and. laugh with and here you've got some. [ __ ] grifter who latches themselves. onto some school system that's filled. with all these terrified liberals that. are just terrified of being called out. for anything and they all the rules are. changing and everybody's like and so. they bend the knee they bend the knee. and it's with kids it's so Insidious. because yeah kids don't care about race.

uh they notice it though which is fine. but then you you you give them like this. complex from such a young age which is. so unnecessary and that's why I mean I. remember when my oldest daughter was. five we were at the mall or something. and uh a black family walked by and. she like pointed at them and said uh why. do PE why do why do why are people black. like how do why is their skin like that. she wanted to know what why why why do. skin why does skin color exist like what.

why how do some people have different. skin color than other people and uh and. of course you know I told her well it's. like to be polite we don't point at. people in public so I told her that but. then we talked about it it's not it's. okay to wonder that it's okay to notice. that I think with these anti-racist. people I you know if I was listening to. them I should have like this was this. would have been an opportunity for me to. give a whole lecture about racism and. make her feel really bad for noticing. that and asking about it yeah um and. then you create this.

complex and yeah fast forward 20 years. and she's one of these women at a race. to dinner exactly it's it's awful but. it's. very it's a very potent thing I mean. white guilt the fear of being called. racist for it's hard for me to. understand. because you know I get called racist all. the time 50 50, times a day and it it. just rolls off my back I don't care. because it's just it's doesn't mean. anything anymore it doesn't mean. anything but. for you and I it doesn't mean anything.

but for a lot of normal people. especially it's a death sentence right. to be called that it's like the worst. thing in the world yeah they're. terrified of it uh they'd rather they'd. literally rather be called anything than. racist yeah um and then so for them once. you those kinds of. people when that's the. threat when being called racist is a. threat you can get them to do anything. and um we've I mean I don't spoilers or. whatever but the in the movie The the. last thing in the movie when I do my own.

anti-racist workshop with these people. and they're all real people and we we. get them to join in on some things that. are really like morally. repugnant uh because they they're. terrified of being called racist. publicly they they can't stand that. thought and the other thing that happens. with kids is if you have a thing like. you're telling the kid they have to be. anti-racist well some kids are going to. use that. as a platform to increase you know what.

whatever social credit that they have. and they get feedback from it it's. positive feedback and they they they get. very vocal and the more vocal the more. people are impressed and the more work. they do the more people going you're. doing great work and then you get what's. essentially like the racial version of. Greta thurberg like what what is that. lady that lady's moral outrage at what. have you done how dare you and. everybody's like yes we like what you. just did and so now you do it all all. the time and so now somehow or another a. 16-year-old kid travels all over the.

world telling everybody they're bad. flying around in Jets telling everybody. they're bad for ruining the environment. like and she gets to feel morally. Superior morally Superior virtuous and. for a child to be in a position where. they become virtuous is you know they. love that they love that to be in a. position where they can lecture adults. yes adults are looking to them as as. authorities yes um college kids love to. do that the moment they're out of their. house the moment they don't have their. parents telling them what to do anymore.

now they can tell other people what to. do and it's just like it's one thing. that you see online from people who have. been bullied in the past um people that. have been picked on and [ __ ] with boy. they like to do it to people like online. on Twitter mobs they like to jump in and. I know a lot of people that have that. I've known a lot of people that have. engaged in these things I known them. personally these feeble weak terrified. men and they say the most heinous things.

about people like uncharitable not. knowing like what what kind of response. these words are going to have in that. person and they they bully these people. because they've been hurt you know it's. that hurt people hurt people thing. that's what it is but they don't think. it's a violent they don't think it's as. bad as bullying like in real real life. bullying is terrible you're going to hit. somebody how dare you you [ __ ]. monster well you're emotionally scarring. people online every day and you think. you're doing it through this when it's. like one of the things elon's talked.

about this that one of the things that. woke does it allows really mean people. this ideology allows really mean shitty. people to have a a virtuous way of. expressing that yeah I think that's. that's right and and also the. internet I mean the whole idea that the. Internet isn't real we hear it all the. time that's why I hate it when people. say well Twitter isn't real. life but and I understand what's meant. by that when people say that but it. actually is real life. because these are these are human beings.

who are communicating with each other. now there are Bots too but if you're a. human being on Twitter saying something. that's real life it's not it's not fake. this isn't happening in some kind of. dream world right um so but then people. think that well okay if I just say this. on Twitter I put it put in a YouTube. comment section and it's this heinous. awful thing it doesn't count doesn't. mean I'm a bad person cuz it's not real. life which is like that's like writing. on a loosely paper calling someone a. piece of [ __ ] and handing it to them and.

then they get mad at you and you say hey. man it's the paper it's not real life. like it just it just happened on the. paper it's a it's a it's a method for. communicating and uh and so I think. people have. been condition that in this world it's. like a moral exception so you can do and. say whatever you want and you don't have. to feel bad about it right and then it. turns people into sociopaths after a. while I think I think it does too and I. also think it ramps up anxiety in a huge. way for the people that are actually. engaging in it you know the people that.

actually do it I think they're just. fully anxious all day long and I think. it's terrible for mental health even if. you're like quote unquote winning these. verbal battles online that you're. engaging in I think it's terrible for. everybody it's really terrible for the. people that are just like all day long. negative like there's and arguing with. people like why do you want that in your. life that's that's a very unusual. position to be in where all day long. you're in Conflict that's only war in. the real world world most of the day. there's no conflict that's why conflict.

is so uncomfortable because it's so. unusual yeah if you're used to conflict. with people all the time and you see. some guy and he's like [ __ ] you no [ __ ]. you but if you're not used to someone. saying [ __ ] you and then all a sudden. hey [ __ ] you you're like what like. you're terrified you're freaked out like. what's going on oh my God this is. conflict the kind of conflict verbal. conflict that people engage in online. all day long has the same sort of. effects on your psyche you are. perceiving the world to be this this is. one of the things it's so polarizing. about this particular election right.

that people are willing to accept. propaganda because it feeds into their. view of the world which is that they're. engaged in this moral. battle good versus evil and both sides. think they're good and both sides think. the other side is going to be the end of. the world and it's accentuated heavily. by mentally ill people that are on. Twitter all day. long yeah I'm one of them so uh you seem. fine uh but I I mean I I am guilty of.

some of this I do I'm on it way too much. first of all that I but then I have my. excuse which is as part of my job it's. part of your job uh I do often think if. I didn't do this for a living at all I I. don't think I'd be on any of this stuff. I think I'd be off everything yeah if I. was not a quote unquote public figure I. would be off everything cuz I have I. don't know if you have a pro if I go on. vacation or something and I'm and I'm. taking time I have no issue putting it. down I don't I have no comp ion to look. at it in fact I have to when I come off.

vacation it it's effort to get back it's. like okay I got to get back into this. again it takes me a couple days then. after a couple days now it's a. compulsion again but right I have to I. have to reignite this weird compulsion. to constantly look at my phone I I have. a problem too and that I'm a comedian. and that I'm also a gold miner right so. what that means is when I'm going. through my news feed my newsfeed is the. thing I'm the most addicted to I'm. mining for gold like what's going on. here what they do they did what. they [ __ ] what and I I need those.

those are really important to me cuz. like those can be my next hour of. standup those can be they they're chunks. every and it's not every day it's like I. can go through 30 days of nonsense and. just not one thing but every now and. then there's a chunk of gold in there. I'm like oh I got one and then I put. that in my notes and I justify endless. scrolling to get to those gold nuggets. but if you didn't do any of this for a. living if you just worked at Lowe's or. something and you know do you think. you'd still be the problem is I'd still.

be me and I still have this really. intense curiosity I'm I'm really curious. about all kinds of things there's so. many subjects I'm really really. interested in I mean I would I would for. sure still be paying attention to you. know science issues and space travel and. you know new discoveries and the. universe and there's a bunch of stuff. that I would just be ancient history. ancient civilizations I would be there's. no way I would not be fascinated by them. because they almost have nothing to do. with my job yeah I think I I think I.

would be the same but I I don't think. I'd feel the need to I would like to. absorb all that interesting information. but I wouldn't feel the need to say hey. World here's what I think about this. right I would just absorb it the problem. is if you do and you do it just once and. then you get feedback and then people. say hey I really liked what you posted. like oh great and then and then all of a. sudden you're connected and then you're. like looking for this feedback so you're. trying to post things to get likes and. you're trying to post things to get. reposts and get comments and you're. engaging in the comments and now now. it's now you're [ __ ] now you're locked.

into this weird ecosystem with these. people you don't even know they might be. all stupid they might be all you know. really annoying people that you would. avoid in real life like if you work with. them you're like oh there's Tom let me. get the [ __ ] out of here and you go to. the other side of the office but now. you're engaging with them people that. you avoid having conversations with you. are now like in Mortal Combat with words. on Twitter and it's [ __ ] stupid and. not only that but their engagement with. you is is cheap it's uh they don't care.

that much so even if someone gives you. positive feedback and they say oh that. was a great tweet they've forgotten. about it two seconds later right you're. just they're just scrolling you're just. the latest thing they saw and then. they're scrolling and they've already. forgotten about it they don't care if. they cuss you out because they're mad at. you same deal they forgot about it two. seconds later so yeah I guess it could. be kind of intoxic intoxicating to get. the engagement but. then it doesn't matter and that's one of. the that's one of the things that makes. it so so toxic is how sort of like. nihilistic all is that's.

why this was this never was an issue. before but now I feel like when I go on. social. media uh I'm constantly. seeing these horrific videos of people. dying like snuff films MH are all over. uh social media now and it feels like a. relatively recent. development and that's really horrible. what it does I don't even think we quite. understand what it's doing to our minds. I actually think we are are all. traumatized from it and I I don't use. the word trauma Loosely but what's.

what's traumatizing is not only are you. seeing somebody. die but it's a context it's. like you see this horrible video of. someone just got shot and then you keep. scrolling and a second later you're. reading something about whatever you. know a celebrity news or you're watching. a cat video right so it's like this it's. this horrific human thing that happened. but for you it's just content you absorb. it that way um and I don't know after a. while of just absorbing human suffering.

in this in this way it's got to mess. with your mind of course it does I mean. you're the product of what you take in. even if that information is like low. impact it's not the same impact as being. there when the Hitmen show up and gun. the guys down in front of the cafe like. I've seen these videos where it's just. mass shootings this one video I saw the. other day of some gang violent situation. these guys drove by gunned these guys. down and then the guys started shooting. back and they were all shot while.

they're shooting back and then the car. backs up and then they gunned them down. more. [ __ ] but it's not the same as being. there if you were there that would haunt. you for the rest of your life if you. were across the street and you watch. that happen you watch these people die. it would haunt you for the rest of your. life but it just you get a little blip. instead of getting 100% dose you get. like a little 1% dose little 1% dose and. you get them all day long and by the end. of the day you're just like what the. [ __ ] is the world yeah but it that's the. thing it kind of should haunt you for. the rest of your life right it's a.

horrible thing to see but it's like. Twitter in that it's not a full. experience like the full exp like if you. were having the kind of exchanges that. some people have with each other where. they're just ruthlessly insulting and. shitty to people if you having those in. person there's a high probability that. that's going to lead to violence actual. violence like if two men are in a room. and one man starts insulting this other. person like really like viciously and. and talking about their life and their. family and all kinds of crazy [ __ ] that. people do online there's a probability.

it's more than 0% that this is going to. result in violence but there's zero. possibility of it online it's just it's. just free it's a free shot and that's a. part of the problem as well is that it's. not a real human interaction so you're. getting like these little doses of. shittiness from people but you're not. getting this one burst where you and. this guy are about to throw down because. he's like he's it's insulting you to the. point where like this person is actually. dangerous like this is actually this.

person hates me like this could be a. real bad situation here and I think much. like that exists on Twitter where you. have these little shitty interactions. it's like 1% of real hate and it just. adds up over time that's the same thing. as seeing violence seeing all these. executions seeing all these botched. robberies seeing all these people that. get murdered in some you know third. world. country you you just get a little little. tiny piece of it all the time and it's. it normalizes it it's probably really.

really bad for us do you uh do you pay. attention to what people say about you. online do you no you never do you never. search for Joe Rogan and nope never nope. shouldn't do it yeah it's not good for. you yeah I'll admit that I've done it on. occasion it's just it's just it's. nothing but if you want to just destroy. your your self image you could you could. do it pretty quickly well that's what. they want that's what people want to do. when they say things like that like this. is my opinion and you know a lot of it.

is like really out of line like a lot of. it is just like the worst possible like. I said before like the least charitable. takes the least nuanced the this. ridiculous caricature of a human being. just to try. to just to try to demonize them to make. yourself look virtually or virtuously. Superior it's just dumb it's a dumb way. for people to communicate and the kind. of people that do it they're all losers. there's no like really exceptional.

Fascinating People that engage in that. kind of stuff well the thing that gets. me I don't mind when people insult me I. I don't care uh I'm used to it it's the. lies like when I see something about. myself that's just a straight up lie. totally made up and then it picks up. traction and people are sometimes it. could be you know even someone. photoshopping a tweet that I never said. whatever anything uh that stuff still. still like bothers me and it and and I.

try to tell myself it shouldn't bother. me but at the same time it should it's. like it's normal for a person to be. bothered when you're when you're being. lied about right and other people are. believing a lie I think it's a normal. human reaction that I'm like I don't. want that's not fair it's not true you. know you could attack me for things that. I really have said and done but that's. you can't do that that's not true um but. then at a certain point you just have to. sort of give into it and realize this is. the way the internet works I guess but. well it's also who knows who's doing it.

and at this point in time we have to. accept the reality of propaganda and. that there you know we've talked about. this ad nauseum but I'll say it again. there was a an FBI former analyst did um. some sort of a study on Twitter where he. was estimating the amount of bots versus. this is like right around the time when. Elon was saying that it's more than 5%. he said he thinks it's about 80% he. thinks 80% of the accounts yeah 80% of. the accounts are F accounts which just. stop and think about if you're in a.

country okay let's imagine you want the. politics of America to swing in a. certain direction because we most. certainly do this in other countries I. mean we don't have to educate people on. the long history of interventionalist. foreign policy where we have gone in and. installed new leaders of countries and. organized all kinds of [ __ ] so we do it. and we do it and we know they do it but. isn't it like the cheapest way to do it.

wouldn't it be to do it on social media. and if you did it why would you do it. like one account why wouldn't you have a. million accounts I would have a million. accounts like you just got to get a. computer that keeps making new accounts. and you run a program it's not the most. difficult thing to do for people that. know how to actually code operating. systems you don't think there's someone. out there that can code a computer. program that can operate millions of. different Twitter accounts and you run. it through some sort of uh AI that. you've developed some large language. model on things to say about Maga or.

things to say about abortion or things. to say about conservatives or things to. say about liberals and you put a [ __ ]. American flag in your little bio or you. put a pronoun thing he her Zer whatever. it is and then you just flood the. internet with fake anger and fake. discourse and you lie about people and. you anytime there's a post about. anything controversial you insert. something in there that gets people even. more riled up you could get people you. could swing the vote you could swing the.

vote in one way or another especially. with fence sitters with people that are. not sure like I don't know is Trump. really the answer and then you get. online and you see all this hateful [ __ ]. or you might get on a Maga forum and you. go oh the there are they are eating cats. he was telling the truth ABC's biased. and you could swing it one way or the. other and I think they're all trying to. manipulate it all these foreign. governments and I think internally in. the United States I'm sure there are. group grp that are doing it too that are. manipulating things in one way or the.

other in a disingenuous way because it's. available and I don't know how to stop. it I think the only way for you to not. personally be. really affected by it is you have to. understand that it exists and then you. have to recognize that you know some of. these takes are not even real human. beings so instead of saying Jesus Christ. people really think that way go maybe. not like maybe this isn't maybe there's. a few people that think that way but but. you're being led to believe that it's a. huge movement of people and it might not.

be but the problem is when it even if. it's fake people are so stupid that even. if it's a fake thing that becomes a bit. of a movement online with fake dumb. people will jump in there and then it'll. become a real thing yeah like you aware. of uh the uh the free bleeding movement. that forchan. pushed yeah I think I heard of. that but it became kind of real didn't. it it became real that's what saying or. Flat Earth is the same thing it became a. joke if people were [ __ ] around at.

first we've known the Earth has not been. flat for a long ass time and then but. now that's totally real I right now it's. totally real now there's massive groups. of people that think the Earth is flat. which isn't I I can't I can't I don't. know how that yeah yeah you can't but. the thing is that's how dumb people are. that you could have a fake thing and say. it enough times and enough people will. jump in and be on board with it and then. it becomes a real thing and then you. don't even have to like use propaganda. anymore these morons are doing it for.

you the thing that gets me about the. Flat Earth thing is uh CU I didn't. realize that it was a real thing until I. don't know a few years ago I did I wrote. I posted something about. it and all these comments from from real. people that uh that that what gets me is. well you have the people that say yeah I. think the Earth's flat and that's ins. you're just really stupid but what I I. was more fascinated by the like 80% of. people who. 80% of the of the Flat Earth crowd 80%. of them their take was well I I'm not.

I'm not saying the Earth is flat but I'm. I'm open to it so I'm open to the. possibility how are I get it if you're. just completely stupid and you got. sucked into this cult thing but what I. don't get is how can you be how can you. be on the fence about whether about the. shape of the earth well it's just people. that really are not educated that's. that's number one and people that. believe that 's a collusion that's so. large that all of the space agencies.

from Japan from China from Russia all of. them are liars that all of them are. colluding together to hide the true. shape of the Earth because if we really. knew the Earth is flat then we would it. would it always is connected to some. sort of a Bible thing like it's the. firmament and they believe that that. we're we're hiding the fact that God is. real and somehow there's some mask. conspiracy that all these World. governments and every person that ever.

was involved in the space agencies. they've all hid from us yeah but and the. you're moonlanding you're not a you. believe in the moonlanding right I used. to believe in the moonlanding you don't. anymore I I had a joke in my ACT about. it that before Co I would have told you. vaccin is the most important invention. in human history and after Co I'm like I. don't think we went to the moon yeah I. know that was in your but you actually. think that I think there is a less than. zero possibility that we do not go to. the Moon oh my gosh I I know why do you. think we went to the moon because it's. exactly what you just said about well.

there's a lot of reasons but the main. thing is what you just said about the. Earth the. the the vastness of the conspiracy that. would be required to fake that it's so. vast that it's just it's it's a lot more. incredible to believe that we faked it. than to believe that we just went and. going to the Moon don't get it's a ma. massive. achievement. um but I I think the greatest human. achievement of all time but even so to. fake it would he be even more massive uh.

because not only would you need all of. these the space agencies and all the. different whatever people. in American institutions to be colluding. but You' also need foreign governments. including adversarial foreign. governments who at this point certainly. would know we faked it and for some. reason haven't blown the lid on it so. they're they're letting us like take. this achievement that they know like why. haven't the Russians come out and said. all those things you're saying are true. I I don't I don't argue with any of the. things saying but one of the things that. I think you have to consider was if it's.

not possible for human beings to safely. go through the Van Allen radiation belts. and out into deep space without much. protection and face the temperatures. that are on the surface of the Moon. which get up to 250° and 250 Dees below. zero in in the shadows it's a there's no. environment there it's hostile beyond. belief microm meteorites are flying into. the moon all the time they're flying. through space all the time we've never. had a single biological organism go out.

into deep space pass the Van Allen. radiation belts and then come back to. earth and come back alive except human. beings during the Apollo missions every. single Space Station Mission every. single space shuttle mission all of them. are inside 350 mil from the Earth's. surface the only time human beings have. ever been past that and through the Van. Allen radiation belts was the Apollo. missions and we were the only humans. that were ever able to do that the. Russians never figured out how to do it.

no one else figured out how to do it but. the Apollo Astronauts and we did it. seven times six successfully from 1969. to. 1972 if you told if you said to me do. you think that they could fake the moon. landing today I would say no I would say. no no no no people are going to be able. to track it they're it's very easy they. have satellites they're they're going to. know everything but in 1969 the. technology was so crude that the F when. they first showed the Apollo 11 Landing.

they didn't even show a direct feed to. the networks so like if you're on CBS. News you don't get a direct feed what. you do is you point a camera at a. projection screen so that's why the the. film looks so shitty the camera is. pointed to a projection screen where you. see the astronauts jumping around on the. moon and you see this weird. grainy Third Generation image. right and we we did it and we have never. done it since and we've always said. we're going to do it and no one's ever.

even come close no one's ever even gone. into deep space since 1972 we also. haven't been trying we haven't been. trying but we always talk about going. back including Herbert Walker Bush. talked about going back uh George W. talked about going back they they all. talk about going back but nobody ever. gets anywhere well I think that's. because we lost the the Spirit uh and. hunger for discovery which we didn't. just lose that we lost all the. technology from the Saturn 5 rocket they. even have that anymore in fact they. don't even have the original film they.

they erased all the original footage of. the Apollo missions so you just have. copies of everything you could develop. the technology again you can do all that. sure you could if you can get through. the Van Allen radiation belts into deep. space with human beings and have them. safely come back but I I think what. you're describing to me it all that does. is highlight how incredible the. achievement if they did it right if they. did it but there's but I don't well. here's the main point I there's no. there's no evidence. because saying that it was a.

hoax is an assertion of a it's not it's. not you're not just denying an event. you're you're asserting a whole other. event that you say happened instead and. there is evidence that we went to the. moon now now someone who's a skeptic. might say it's not enough evidence or. it's not good evidence there's like. evidence there's I witnessed there's. people that went and came back and told. us there's uh there's footage there's a. lot there is evidence but there's no. evidence of the hoax like no one has. come and said here's my affirmative.

evidence that this hoax happened it's. never. happened as far as I'm aware no no one's. ever provided that evidence I I see what. you're trying to say um the the evidence. that they went to the moon there's a. bunch right there's moon rocks that's. one there's a lunar reflectors that they. placed on the moon that's another um and. there's a couple problems with those. first of all the Soviets put uh so the. laser reflectors on the moon as well um. and also the moon itself in many places.

where you shine lasers on it they. bounces back by itself the reflective. quality of the Moon the reason why the. Moon is so bright and white in the sky. when the Sun hits it there's a certain. amount of you you get a certain amount. of bounceback off of different things. with lasers um there's some photographs. that are interesting what was it was the. India what was the one where they got. the most high resolution photos of the. Lander going to add a Wikipedia right. now of all third party evidence of the.

Apollo mission one of the things that's. interesting is they gave a moon rock to. um was it a prime minister of Holland is. that what it was which one was the moon. rock they gave that turned out to be. petrified wood so the Apollo Astronauts. gave a moon rock to uh some foreign. dignitary and it turned out to be a. piece of petrified wood um they do have. samples of moon rocks that came from the. moon but we also have have those on. Earth in fact Warner Von braa in. 1968 I believe went to Antarctica.

there's all these photographs of him in. Antarctica Antarctica is a great place. to take moon rocks because uh Antarctica. is just just gigantic sheet of white and. you can spot the meteorites in the. ground so this is the photo and this is. from what what is this. from what is the um so this is an Indi. yeah India Indian space research. organizations I don't know how to say. that word Shen Chandra Yan 2 Orbiter. captured images of NASA's Apollo 11 and.

12 Landing sites and lunar modules from. 100 kilometer altitude Paul 12 image. astronaut boots tracks are still even. visible due to the recent interest in. another post I shared decided to. download of view the raw imagery so that. looks like there's some kind of thing on. the moon it's pretty good evidence it is. evidence that something's on the moon. it's not evidence that human beings went. to the moon see we have things that are. on the moon we have things on Mars right. now we have things that were we we' shot.

things into space for sure yeah but it's. evidence it's not proof in of itself but. it is evidence listen I'm not saying we. didn't go to the moon what I'm saying is. the subject is complex and it's not even. a little complex it's really complex. there's a documentary called A Funny. Thing Happened on the Way to the moon. this guy Bart cell he's been obset he. was a GU on the show too been obsessed. about this his whole life and absolutely. believes that we never went to the moon. and there 's enough [ __ ] that you go. okay if he's right about any of these.

things it's weird one of the things was. some of the photographs of the Moon they. ran through a one of those um AI. detectors that can tell you whether or. not something's false or artificially. generated and it showed different images. from I think it was a Chinese satellite. of the Moon they said this is legitimate. but then it got to these Apollo images. and they said these' been doctored this. AI deci this AI program that all the. images or a few of them few of them but. then other ones were found to be. authentic I don't think so I think they.

only ran a few images through see if you. can find those Jamie find what they did. again this is not saying that we didn't. go to the Moon it could be and this was. a fact with the Gemini 15 program where. Michael Collins there was a photograph. of Michael Collins that they took in one. of his um one of his training exercises. where he had uh you know those those. packs that they put on where they can. move around while they're doing moon. walk. or not moonwalk space walks outside of a. where they're connected by a tether and.

he was like in this harness and. manipulating this device and what they. had done is taken a photograph of him. training and then someone probably some. overzealous PR person had taken that. photograph and then blacked out the. background and P tried to pass it off as. a really clear photograph of him out. there on a spacewalk which is probably. very difficult to get right you'd have. to have another person in the camera. frame it right they had this photo. they're like look he did it let's just.

pass this off as the real thing which is. you know you're also talking about the. Nixie Administration where they were. just full of [ __ ] constantly if you. remember this is where he tried to CL it. was from which is a Russian video yeah. so there's different video where they. they ran it through and they said it was. real and it was the was it the Chinese. program but when they ran the American. ones the American images they said that. they were doctored again it doesn't mean. that we didn't go to the moon but it. does mean okay there's that that's weird.

have you ever seen the Apollo 11. postflight press. conference yeah it looks like a hostage. video looks like a bunch of guys who. don't want to be there they look real. [ __ ] nervous and they look real. deceptive and if you watch that video. it's weird well but I think that's just. that's the temperament it requires to do. something like that it's basically it's. almost suicidal to go to the uh and so. you have to be like not barely even a. human. psychologically to do it so I don't so. that to me is just like and they just.

went through this whole experience who. knows what that does to the human psyche. um to even just like be in the vastness. of space even on the space station I. can't I feel like that would change me. as a person not necessarily for the best. well there's actually like a. psychological condition that they talk. about this sort of understanding that. we're all connected that a lot it's like. a kind do a religious experience that. many astronauts get when they go up to. the space station and look down at the. Earth and go oh my God what are we doing. like we're all together in this thing. and we're so alone in the universe and.

for us to be fighting over these trivial. differences and these stupid lines in. the dirt that we draw when we are like. just clinging to this ball in the middle. of everything so what so then what would. you say or someone who is a a full-on. Believer fullon believer someone who is. a full-on believer in the moon hooks. what would they say to my other point. that there is evidence we went to the. moon you can try to nitpick the evidence. there is zero evidence of a hoax because.

that's a whole other event that would. have had to have happened there is no. evidence at all not one sliver of. evidence ever of that hoax having ever. happened but I think that's a weird way. to frame it right is there evidence of a. hoax of the JFK assassination that Lee. Harvey Oswald acted alone do you think. there's evidence well but but the the. event itself being that J JFK was killed. but right but that's not the conspiracy. so the the conspiracy is did he act.

alone and is there evidence that he. didn't act alone what do you. think uh I'm I'm very skeptical that he. acted alone yeah right but I don't know. I don't know exactly what happened. nobody does. exactly same exact perspective same. exact perspective about this Moon thing. like it it may have happened but this. was a time of deep deception in in the. American World this is the time after. operation Northwoods this is a time. after the Kennedy assassination this is.

a time I mean this is a weird [ __ ]. shaky time in terms of propaganda this. is after Eisen Howard warned about the. military industrial complex this is like. there was a lot of deception Gul of. tonan incident there's a lot of open. deception that the American people were. being subject to and then there's this. cold war between us and Russia this this. space War for. superiority there was we wanted it so. bad we brought in Nazis but I still but. I I mean the the JFK is a interesting. example but uh because yes there are.

things that I'm skeptical of that are. claimed that I don't really have. evidence that the thing didn't happen or. that it didn't happen the way they say. but I'm still skeptical so I get that. but uh it feels different to me because. the JFK assassination did happen the. question is how did it happen uh but if. we're going to assert that a major. historical event probably the greatest. the most significant historical event in. history or one of them did not happen at. all no one did it then like I said. that's so what you're actually claiming. is that some other thing this this they.

went somewhere and they pulled off this. hoax and they planned it and they did. like an event happened where they were. faking it right and uh so what I would. want to. see has anybody come out any. whistleblower ever to say hey I was. involved in the shoot or I I'm in. Hollywood I talked to a guy who was. there I uh you know well that's not even. that's not even evidence you know real. evidence would be some sort of. documentation some sort of a some sort. of a way to go over like there's a.

binary code that shows the distance. between the Earth and the lunar module. at every stage of the of the journey but. uh that's missing that stuff's missing. all the tracking data is they can't find. it um all the original footage is. missing and that could just be people. are really bad with historical items. that's possible um but to say that. faking the moon landing would be a. bigger achieve. than actually going to the Moon I would. say only if people could actually go to.

the moon so here's the question can we. really everyone wants to dismiss it can. we really send a biological entity into. space go through that radiation which is. thick covering the Earth and have it. come back alive well. supposedly this is the only time people. had done it and supposedly the way they. did it was by going through the top area. of the of the Earth where the uh Van. Allen radiation belts it's like kind of. like a donut that surface that covers.

the earth it's not uniform in this and. there's an area at the top where you can. go out but according to Bart Zell they. didn't go that way because you would. have had to launch from Antarctica to do. that it's not really possible that that. happened that they went that way so he. doesn't he thinks that if they did go. through that there there is no other. examples of living things that have done. that and come back alive then they've. known that this is an issue they've. known that this Van Allen radiation.

bance which is this band of heavy. radiation that covers the earth and. protects us they've known that it's out. there because they tried to blow it up. once there was a thing called operation. starfish Prime where they this they they. launched one of several nuclear bombs. into the radiation belt to try to blow a. hole through it and unfortunately what. did that happen. 60 God is that. 67 maybe was starfish Prime um but it.

did the opposite effect why did they do. that just for the they wanted to see. what happen [ __ ] and giggles well they. were they had so much power and you know. you've got nuclear bombs and you can't. blow people up but you're still doing. studies so they're doing tests all. throughout Nevada and I mean that's what. killed John Wayne John Wayne got cancer. because he was working on a set doing a. western right next to where they were. blowing up nuclear bombs like 200 people. on his on his uh on the set got cancer. starfish prime high alude nuclear test. conducted by the United States a joint. effort of the atomic energy commission. and the defense Atomic Support Agency.

July 9th. 1962 so this is like while Kennedy was. in office they were trying to figure out. how we will get to the mood not in this. decade but in the other or whatever he. said uh high altitude nuclear test so. the thing it did unfortunately was it. supercharg the bands and it made it much. have much more radiation not only that. it uh it blew out power in some parts of. Hawaii I think I think it cooked it.

cooked a few satellites right we talked. about this the other day it cooked a few. satellites okay so can I ask this though. do we have. examples uh we're saying well we we. don't know if a human can go through. the I would say well we do know because. they did if they did well but we know. they sent people into near Earth orbit. that's a fact we know that well how do. we know that if we don't know I mean. maybe there's space station because we. actually can see that we can see where. they launched you can follow the.

trajectory you can know about the. propulsion units that they use you know. about what they were trying to. accomplish and you could watch it so my. but my question is have we tried to send. humans through the radiation belt and. not been able to has that happened they. never even tried that they just did. it right that's what's even crazier so. but but how do we know so the so how do. we know they did it if the only time. they did the last time they did it was. 1972 you don't think that's a little.

weird not really no no no no listen. listen even if they did go to the Moon. let's say let's say I'll say they went. to the moon it's [ __ ] weird. everything from 1969 is easier cheaper. and faster to reproduce today except the. moon landing except space travel I just. think we thought what I don't think. there's a will you know how much [ __ ]. resources there is on the moon do you. know how many valuable minerals there. are on the moon and trillions of dollars. of things that are very difficult to. find in the United States or on the moon. I don't think I don't think theer like. the.

people in the 1960s the American people. cared deeply about going to the Moon I. don't think that these. days most I think we should care about. that but most people don't care about if. we found out that we didn't have to dig. for lithium that we could just go to the. moon and pull giant chunks of it out and. not have slave labor and no one has to. feel bad about using your iPhone you. don't think that they would do that of. course would do that if they could if. you could have a mining station on the. moon no problem at all totally safe of.

course they would do that yeah and I. think and it only takes two weeks to get. there people they go people Mine in. Northern Territories like people mine in. in Canada in these horrible conditions. [ __ ] freezing cold out but but it. probably takes a lot of time to get to a. point where you can do that consistently. cost so valuable I know the idea that. they wouldn't do that and they haven't. done anything even remotely close to. that since 19 2 is weird I agree that. it's I mean weird weird makes it sound.

necessarily nefarious I think it's no. just weird it's very unusual it's. unusual technologically it's in. congruent it's in congruent with. technological progression that we have. we have that with everything else. everything else phones phones are in. your [ __ ] pocket now and they have. more computing power than the entire. cluster that they used to launch the the. Apollo program the Apollo program was a. [ __ ] Giant room full of computers. your phone is significantly more. powerful than that yeah everything else.

got better except that we thought that. people were going to be going to space. all the time you ever watch that TV show. space 1999 when you were a kid no you're. younger than me there was a stupid show. called space 1999 and they thought Boy. by 1999 we'll be flying around. spaceships and people will be living on. the moon every time they've done like in. the past like after the moon landings. every time they did any sort of like. science fiction movie It always involved. like colonies already established on the. moon and on Mars and people traveling.

through because we thought that was. going to happen Orville and wilver right. right think about the launch of the. first airplane and then the launch of. the Apollo program it's only like 60. years it's kind of crazy the launch of. the first airplane ever and dropping. nuclear bombs out of an airplane is only. like what is it 50 years I think it's. something like something kooky yeah 50. 60 years that's nuts but then now you. have supic Jets like 100 years later now.

you have insane capabilities of like Air. Force fighter jets unbelievable power. and maneuverability far beyond anything. anybody would have possibly imagined. when Earl Orville and Wilbur had that. stupid [ __ ] bird looking flimsy thing. so everything progresses technologically. except well but here's what I would say. to that except TR other planets I would. say two things number one I think that. it just it does take yeah we're kind of.

spoiled by the fact that there was this. burst of incredible technological ADV. everything in everything in automobiles. it doesn't necessarily not every facet. of technology is going to continue at. that pace forever into an Infinity so I. think it does take especially if you. take a historical perspective a longer. term historical perspective it just. takes a while to get from one thing to. the next it hasn't even been that long I. mean the. 1969 was not that long ago in from the. historical perspective uh and especially.

if you want to if you want to do the. next thing I mean what's the next thing. the next thing is to go to Mars most. people agree that's so much far. exponentially farther away and harder to. do sure and so if that takes if it takes. decades more to figure out how to do. that that doesn't seem that crazy to me. and the second thing I'll say is that I. do think I get your point about. resources on the moon there's a reason. to go back I agree you know. practically speaking but it's just true. that that it requires a society that.

deeply values exploration for its own. sake and is willing to make the. sacrifices is willing to send people off. to do things just for the sake of. exploration knowing that they might die. I think we have almost no appetite for. that now um maybe the Challenger. explosion was you could point to that as. as the time when we sort of just we have. no appetite for people we don't want. people to die for this any I see what. you're saying here's the problem with. what you're saying the American people.

don't get a say in whether or not we do. things like they don't get to say and. whether or not we make a space shuttle. they they don't get to decide whether or. not we establish a new space station no. no one talks about it they just do it. like we barely get a say and how much. money goes to Ukraine yeah but it's got. to be funded right but how much is. funded to go to Ukraine like all of a. sudden they had 175 billion plus dollars. to fund this proxy war and who decided. that it wasn't the American people right.

it it wasn't but unfortunately but. politicians are the ones who decide it. but people vote for those politicians. and unfortunately there are a lot of. Americans who are basically okay with. sending money to Ukraine which they. shouldn't be it's insane I agree with. you but what my point is is that if you. had a skillful politician who got on. television and explained that we have. found a solution to all of our energy. problems and it's mining on the moon and. through this mining on the moon we are. going to increase the. overall uh way of life for every single.

human being on on America soil we we are. going to raise everybody above the. poverty level there'll be no. impoverished people because we have. literally found trillions of dollars in. very very valuable minerals and by using. our United States taxpayers funds to. fund this program and to finance it we. are going to allow the entire country to. share in some of this wealth and we're. going to change energy distribution and. consumption in this country in in an.

incredible way it's going to be. beneficial to everybody and it's going. to make a bunch of people really rich. too but it's going to change the quality. of life for every person in this country. and this is how we're going to do it. everybody would be on. board yeah but nobody's made that case. really right but you could make that. case with the amount of minerals and the. amount of valuable resources you can get. not just from the moon but also from. mining asteroids which they're. attempting to do. now if you can get people out there if. you really could get people out. there so here's the question if you.

couldn't do it if they knew they. couldn't do it but they wanted to show. that they could do it could they. compartmentalize things could they feed. a computer program that is instead of. the actual binary data that shows the. distance between the lunar module and. the surface of the Earth at any given. time could they just calculate that out. with computers of course they could yeah. that's possible could they if they. couldn't get human beings into deep. space and have them come back alive. because they couldn't figure out a way. to get through the vanill and radiation.

belts and survive microm meteors and all. the other [ __ ] you deal with could they. get enough people to shut the [ __ ] up. because it's in the best interest of. National Security of course they could. especially in 1969 people were [ __ ]. terrified they had just killed the. president six years earlier people were. absolutely terrified of. getting under the sights of the. intelligence agencies and if you have. have top secret clearance if you're. involved in some sort of a project like. look at the Manhattan Project the people. kept their [ __ ] mouth shut they they.

knew they had they were working on. something of importance that was above. and beyond their need to Yap about [ __ ]. but you but for the moonlanding you. would need way more people involved more. institions because you actually have a. real space program so the space program. is not fake right so let's just assume. I'm a non-believer I would tell you that. the space program was absolutely real. the Saturn 5 rocket was absolutely real. the modules the the way they were able. to parachute down into the ocean 100%.

real they did go into space but how far. did they go this is the real question. and Bart Cal the guy who made this. documentary he asserts that they went. somewhere into Earth's orbit like you. know in space but not through the van. Island radi Bel radiation belts and not. to the surface of the Moon and back and. that they had video footage that they. had done in. some scenario some people think it's the. Nevada desert who knows what it is but.

they had this footage of people bouncing. around and they said they got it on the. moon and then they brought this back. does he have but does he have any. evidence of that event occurring would. would he say well I know they only went. so far and came back because of because. of this well he has a bunch of different. things and one of them is the one that's. like very hotly debated and it's the. different lights sources in the. photographs so a lot of the photographs. from the surface of the Moon have. intersecting light intersecting Shadows.

so you have a shadow that's going this. way and another Shadow that's going that. way indicating more than one light. source or a close by light source that's. you know coming in not something that's. you know thousand millions of miles away. like the like the sun there's those. there's the photographs there's the. photographs that run through AI he has. this other video of what looks like them. filming the Earth through one of the. round portal windows with everything. blacked out in the cabin and then they. pull down the things that were blocking.

off the other light sources and the. cabin floods with light and it looks. like they're in near Earth orbit and. it's very confusing cuz you're like well. what is that video what exactly is going. on there because if they really are in. deep space and they really are filming. this small image of the earth cuz that's. all they can see from 200,000 miles out. well why when they take those things. down does it look like the whole cabin. is filled with light why does it why. does it look exactly like they're in.

near Earth orbit that but that still. goes back have you ever seen. it the specific you want to see it sure. for shits and giggles yeah because we're. in the middle of this stupid. conversation it's it's a fun one it's. one of the most fun of all conspiracy. theories because if they did it wow. first of all if they killed the. president wow and they it seems like. they kind of did that so if they did. this too like what else did they do like. what other hoaxes were played on on the.

American people if this is real that's. why it's fun I'm not saying it's real. but it is it is a fun one it's not as. simple as the Earth is flat that's a. stupid one but this is a fun one this is. a fun one because you're you're dealing. with the kind of power with complete. control over the media complete control. over newspapers and what they reported. the interest of you know National. security the cold war with Russia the. space war with Russia we wanted it so.

bad we brought in some of the most. heinous human beings that have ever. lived to to run our NASA program yeah. it's not as it's not as dumb as Flat. Earth but it does remind to me it. reminds me of to me it's in the vein of. like uh Sandy Hook was a hoax no no tell. that's heinous let not morally morally. let me show you the video let me show. you the video Jamie you got that I'm. trying Funny Thing Happened on the Way. to the Moon I know but I can't is he. hiding it I I know it's available sure.

sure I I'm not even I have to figure out. exactly what the video is I'm looking. for um proof I know I'm trying to I'm. digging through I pick a video I try to. find it it's not in there I have to find. another video it's not like I know the. exact name of the video it takes a. second okay you'll find it he'll find it. once he does again I'm not saying we. didn't go I'm saying this is a fun one. and it's a weird one there's there's a. lot of weird weirdness to it isn't it. similar okay because a lot of this comes. from it's such a it's it's such an.

incredible feat that's so difficult to. do that it's hard to believe anyone. actually did it sure which I can. understand that. mentality but the thing is you can go. back in history and you can look at in. for the sake of Discovery and. exploration you can look at what other. uh men have done hundreds of years ago. that arguably is more impressive than. going to the moon like what. I. mean you name it like take any take any. famous explorer from like the 1500s to.

the. 1800s um and whether it's mellan or. James Cook or Christopher Columbus or. any of them what they were able to do. navigating this vast ocean going to play. having no modern technology at all being. able to go from where their starting. point hit some little tiny Island. somewhere and then go around and. navigating a world that they don't even. know what it looks like they have no. Maps they have no GPS they have nothing. at all um I cannot conceive of how they.

could have ever done that I don't know. how how in the world not knowing what. the world looks like having no map. having no GPS having no modern. navigation whatsoever how in the world. could you possibly get on a ship in you. know launching out of France or Portugal. or wherever and make it anywhere across. the ocean how could you I don't know how. you can do it it's incredible it's. incredible but we know that it happened. okay it's incredible but it's it doesn't. comp it doesn't compare because they do. it now easily so anybody can get in a. ship right now and travel you you can.

get a a a small boat that you have. enough resources and you have enough gas. and you could travel through these. routes you can do it it took them. hundreds of years though but you can do. it right now so it's way easier to do. now right so it's something that they. did that's incredible no doubt no. argument but something that could be. reproduced to that. easily at least at least possibly I. wouldn't say easily it's a it's a task. but it also took centuries to get to the. point where it could be easily but it. got better right after each one did it. because they had Maps now and then they.

also used their seant and they they. understood constellations in a way that. most people don't today and sextants are. if you actually use them correctly and. you understand which way the the tides. go and which way the the water currents. are going which way the flow is. happening they they had a deep. understanding of the currents of the. earth they knew travel rain like travel. lanes and they knew which ways they. could go with ships so applying that to. the open ocean applying that to the. these continents they weren't even sure.

were there was very iffy very dangerous. very courageous but once they did it. then everybody else could do it easier. and then they started doing it better. and better and then people started. coming to America and then bahahahah and. now here we are and now anybody can get. in a boat anybody with enough resources. can have a boat that can travel those. routes no one can just say I want to go. to the moon today and get their private. Moon CR craft and [ __ ] shoot off into. the atmosphere and land on the moon so. no one's done that since 1969 that's a.

recent occurrence in in terms of like. human history but not technologically. the technology from 1969 is not even. it's like cave people [ __ ] compared to. what we have today so you really can't. compare the courageous amazing Deeds of. these early explorers because what they. did was absolutely fantastic but they. left a clear record of how to do it and. then each person improved upon it and. now it's easy to do but it was still I. mean the spacecraft travel is not.

there's nothing like that I would say. 100 years from now check May the techn. Christopher Columbus uh was 300 years. before James Cook I think the technology. they were using was not that different. it was pretty similar it didn't it. didn't progress that fast well they had. Maps they had maps and they had seant. and they had a a. detailed at least crude uh understand. understanding of the shape of certain. continents like there there's maps from. the 1500s there's maps from before that.

there's plenty of maps that are rough. estimates and pretty good job actually. the cartographers back then were. astonishly good astonishingly good. because it was so valuable to be good at. that now this is the footage so let's. just watch this so this is Neo Armstrong. talking to Houston so give me some. volume another segment Al I don't think. we can do that why is that we're. watching we're now watching the movie. all right so let's do this let's just he.

and I will watch it with the sound on. and we'll tell everybody else to just go. to the website or go to the YouTube. video I don't so we don't get pulled off. of YouTube we'll watch it and we won't. say anything and then we'll after it's. over we'll come back so play it because. I want them to hear it air after review. that's. enough so what do you think about that. footage I mean it's it's interesting. yeah uh. I'm at a slight disadvantage. because I'm going to assume that people.

have addressed some of those. issues and uh have given responses to it. I'm going to assume like if I went to. YouTube right now and looked up that. video debunked people have probably done. that I'm sure someone has um so I don't. know what the what what their response. would be uh so it's interesting I just. don't see it at so to me I I listen to. that and I think well that's interesting. I i' i' look into that figure out what. the first thing I want to know is okay. here's your claim the claim they're. making I need to know what is the.

official narrative let's say how do they. respond to that because I know they do. right so I need to know that well here's. two problems with that video One the. English accent those [ __ ] if. they want to sell you something on late. night TV they use an English accent. because it makes someone look more. intelligent more sophisticated the. Crescent. insert why would they fake any of it and. then they got you with the music the. music music mus is manipulative so. they're manipulating you in two ways. they're manipulating you with the. woman's voice and they're manipulating.

you with the music the music wait so. you're saying they are manipulating you. with I'm saying they most certainly are. manipulating you in that video that. video is not just the video so what I. would rather have is just the video and. watch that but we do get to see them say. the distance they are from the earth um. here's a couple of questions right what. does it look like what is the Shine from. the Earth from 200,000 mil out and maybe.

you in order to be able to film that you. have to block off the light from all. those other windows because even though. it's 200,000 miles out just like the. moon lights up the sky on uh a night. where there's a full moon and you're. outside it you could see like a really. good full moon with a clear sky you can. see the ground it lights it up and the. Moon is one quarter of the Earth's size. and the Moon is 250 plus thousand miles. away so if something is four times.

bigger than the moon and the blue from. the the Earth's uh oceans like when you. see it from the space station it is. powerful I mean it is a potent reflector. of sunlight so you could say that he's. just ignorant about how much reflection. you would get from the surface of the. Earth from 200,000 miles away and even. though they are filming it by blocking. out all the lights and filming it. through this window that actually is the. the Earth that's actually what it looks.

like when you're in deep space you could. say that too you just don't know and. then it's it's hard to figure out what's. what it's hard to figure out what's what. when you see a video like that you just. go hm okay what is. that and I don't think it's impossible. to fake people going to the Moon I think. it'd be very difficult it would require. a lot of people to be on board but I. also think it could be compartmentalized. the people that make the Rockets they.

they you are design you're what you're. doing is you're making a specific part. and this guy's making another part and. you have the engineers put this thing. together and you launch this thing into. space the people that would have to know. are the people that are actually. charting the trajectory of uh the Apollo. Mission the people that are actually. talking to the astronauts and explain to. them what to say during the press. conference the people that are. engineering the whole thing. and you could probably get away with. doing something like that with a few. hundred people and you could get a few. hundred people of high ranking people.

that have top secret clearance keep. their mouth shut you could I would just. need I would need some kind of solid. evidence of that to believe that's true. and yeah me too this to me there are. some things that we call conspiracy. theories that I think are you know. clearly true there are some things that. we call conspiracy theories that I think. are may be true um but there are. conspiracy theories that to me are just. that they're just uh they're just. they're not even theories really they're.

just kind of like fanciful uh whatever. Pro projections and the ones that I. don't find convincing are where where. where they they usually start with. there's a so-called official Narrative. of a thing that happened MH there's a. couple of things about what actually. happened that are kind of. weird and we look at that and go that's. a little bit weird and then and then the. conspiracy theorist in that case they. come in and they find these little tiny.

cracks if you want to call it and then. inside the cracks they shove this whole. like Hollywood cinematic narrative that. they have created to explain what's. actually like a pretty tiny crack you. don't need this whole thing to explain. that so with the moon thing I mean one. of the. first uh sort weird aspects of the. moonlanding that that I think started. kind of the conspiracy theories about it. was the the flag the fact that the. flag's moving in the picture and so yeah. it's like when you look at that you.

don't really understand you look well. that is weird because there's no wind on. the moon but then you understand that. okay for example when you put the the. flag down it creates reverberations it. makes the flag move it's going to move. for longer because there's no gravity um. so there's an explanation for that but. if you're the conspiracy theorist then. you take the flag moving and you just. let you're like nope the whole thing is. bunk have you ever seen the video. footage of the astronaut uh hopping by. the flag and the the the breeze of him.

hopping by makes the flag. wiggle he's not he doesn't touch the. flag at all the flag is completely. stationary and then astronaut hops by. the flag and as he hops by the flag the. flag. Wiggles okay are we saying that wouldn't. happen on the moon no it wouldn't. there's no. air yeah okay I haven't seen that we'll. show it to you it's weird listen what. your saying is entirely correct. everything you're saying is entirely. reasonable and and correct if they.

actually can get through the vanal and. radiation belts if they can this is. stupid this whole thing stupid but if. they can't really do that and they never. have done that and the only time they. say they've done that is these missions. it gets real weird and since they. haven't done it since then it gets real. weird and it's not just that there's. other video foot it's not just the one. where the guy hopping by the flag it's. other ones where it looks like they're. on wires where they're being pulled up. where they fall down they're being. yanked up the whole thing is weird. there's a lot of weirdness to the. footage the physics don't line up.

exactly the same if you go to the early. days of uh the like Apollo 11 footage. and you look at the difference between. when they were playing golf and jumping. around the Moon they they they move. different they they cover more distance. they it's like it looks different they. got better at it they get better at. filming it they got better at whatever. they're doing and then there's the other. question maybe they actually did do it. but the cameras weren't able to handle. the radiation and the film which you. know you you wouldn't even be able to. send your film through the radar.

detector at the airport back then. because it would get [ __ ] up you'd. have to put it aside maybe the radiation. space [ __ ] up the film so even though. they did do it they show you Recreations. or show you these test runs that they. did and they they film it because the. actual film footage is impossible to. obtain that's possible too Hassel bad. who made the cameras didn't put any. special protection in the cameras there. was nothing about them that was unusual. that would be able to withstand that. kind of radiation and that kind of heat. of deep space yeah um see do you have.

that one where the guy flies walks by. the flag and he hops around and it. Wiggles I tped that in and it's not. really like popping up so I'm I'm not. sure which video we definitely have. played it before I know but if you take. a look that's what popping up it's it's. not that one I don't think is it it's. not a plant flag no that's not it what. did you write astronaut. flagon um type in astronaut hops by.

flag flag. Wiggles I saw a bunch of videos of. people ask like making Recreations and. seeing if this was even possible but not. the video astronaut hops by causing a. breeze to move the flag okay that's it. right there click on that that's it. that's the. footage okay so watch so he's gonna hop. by okay. see that yeah but he could have hit the. flag yeah but he didn't look look at the. distance look how far away he is from it.

pull it back. again see where he is so he's in front. he's way in front of that thing he HS by. and the wi it Wiggles I don't he's in. the suit the suit's pretty clunky yeah. but he's not close to it look at the. perspective let's look at it in slow. motion so watch he hops by and he just w. Wiggles in the breeze that's a breeze. dude so that might not have actually. happened on the moon okay that might be.

footage that they filmed in NADA desert. and the footage they got on the moon got. all [ __ ] up and so they tried to pass. that off on people and they thought that. no one would know it doesn't necessarily. mean we didn't go to the moon but that. does look weird and it's just not it's. not it's not one thing it's if that was. the only thing you'd be like oh well who. knows but there's a lot of them he could. also he could have hit it I mean he's. close possible it's doesn't look like he. hit it it looks like a. breeze yeah but then the other part of. this is that they so what they the.

people that went through all this. trouble to fake the moon landing how. would they miss these things that's the. other well I don't think they thought. people would catch it first of all. you're dealing with a time where there's. no VHS tapes there's no internet right. so you show it on television once you. get to choose what gets shown and what. doesn't get shown you film a bunch of. [ __ ] that's how they got that footage of. them inside the crap filming through. that that circular hole because they. don't air everything on television but. you have archives so you have all these. archives and these Cooks go through the. archives and they find things like that.

okay that doesn't even mean that that. was actual Moon footage that could have. been some of the training footage I'll. tell you what would convince me to not. that it's a fake but at least would make. me open to. it one thing that would shake my faith. considerably in the moonlanding uh if. Elon Musk were to come out and say yeah. I don't know about this moonlanding. thing then okay fine cuz and I'm not. saying this is my whole reason for. believing it happened but Elon Musk. first of all if the moon landing was. fake he knows it was he knows it was. fake sure uh he's the richest man in the.

world he's he's shown zero concern for. you know propping up official narratives. at all right so he's a guy that would. know if it's faked uh would there no. reason for him to continue that that. narrative if it was fake in fact he. could even say you they faked it I'm. going to do it for real I'll be the. first one to go to the Moon cuz they. faked it uh and he hasn't said that so I. also find that to be. pretty compelling the fact that he as. someone who would know let's say the. problem is that you and I most people. that talk about this we have no like.

direct access to knowledge about space. this is all being given to us by other. people um so you got to go to people. that have actually are working with this. stuff and so the fact that he has no. time for this Theory at all I also find. to be persuasive it's good it is. persuasive definitely but also he has a. contract with NASA and he has to be very. careful about what he says and does and. for him to say something incredibly. insane like we never went to the moon.

even if he believes it that would be a a. a big risk with zero reward because. there's no way to prove as you've said. there's no way to prove that we didn't. go to the moon and to say that we didn't. go to the Moon is a cook take like. that's what what the [ __ ] is wrong with. you you can say stupid things like that. when you're a comedian who's a podcast. host you know but if you are you have. contracts with NASA and you run Space X. and you are legitimately making some of. the greatest breakthroughs in space. travel that human beings have ever known. like what they're doing with those. Falcons when they have them land [ __ ].

insane insane come back and land I mean. we've never been able to do that before. and it's all because of. Elon I mean if he really is going to get. people to Mars something has got to be. addressed eventually as. to you know if if they do it and they. pull it off and it's uh easy and. comfortable okay we probably did it in. 1969 if they go to the moon and there's. no problem going through the van Island. radiation belts with no particular uh.

insulation other than what the spaceship. had maybe yeah they probably did it well. I will say I don't even the The. moonlanding hoax idea is it's barely. even a cook take anymore I think it is. but you're you're probably in the. majority with your take on it and when I. the last time I talked about this. publicly I got. absolutely ripped to shreds I mean. it felt like 99% against and it's going. to happen again in response to this. conversation 99% against you yeah it's.

your take so most people think that we. didn't go to the Moon it seems maybe. that's your followers bro I think if you. get the overall internet it would go the. other way the overall internet most. people would think you're a c for even. entertaining the idea that we never went. to the moon maybe but it seems like it's. it's shifting drastically and a lot of. that is people just have lost all faith. in institutions which I understand yes. so people are I mean that was kind of. the point of your bit that people are. once you see that this is a lie This Is.

A Lie This Is A Lie yeah exactly that is. happening and I'm totally sympathetic to. that part of it. um but I just think that the moon. landing is there there's a lot of good. evidence for it and. also you know as a this is an emotional. argument it's an American thing it's an. it's one of our greatest achievements As. Americans you gotta you got to pry that. from my cold dead hands I mean I'm I'm. you got to really you got to really show. me something to make me willing to give. that up I would tell you that one some.

one of our greatest achievements is. fakeing the. moonlanding I could be I think it's an. amazing achievement I think it's an. amazing achievement it's it's a kin to. Turning KL Harrison to the most. compelling presidential candidate since. Barack Obama like there's things that. they can do with propaganda and spin. that are truly amazing and watching her. become this like celebrated character. when just a few months ago everybody was. upset that she was on the ticket and oh. my God if Joe Biden dies and she becomes. president people are freaking out now. all a sudden everybody's like yes she.

should be president that's also wearing. off though I mean that's you think so I. don't think so it she doesn't have she. had they were able to make her into a. sensation a political sensation uh for. about a month I don't think she has that. anymore I don't think people are cuz you. got you can hype somebody up and you can. turn them into uh the next political. savior through really good branding they. did that with Obama but you got to have. something there has to be something they. at least have to have Charisma I mean.

Obama had Charisma so you at least have. to have that with a pol if you have a. politician who has Charisma then the. media can come in and they can do the. rest and they can turn you into well she. certainly has Charisma when she has. planned speeches and she gets to read. off a teleprompter and maybe that thing. in her ear what do you think about that. you think that's legit it could be you. see the company has. responded uh to the yeah what did they. say they they they definitely didn't. deny it and they said it looks very. close to like what our device is and I. go to their website it might be on their.

website it they might have somebody sent. me something uh and I I just looked at. it briefly and I'm like oh this will. probably come up today I wanted I want. to see it in real time because whatever. the website is of the company that makes. that thing they've apparently addressed. it on the. website uh but if is that illegal. I don't know if it's illegal but it. incredibly unethical unethical for sure. but also if they pulled that off with.

earrings like [ __ ]. amazing and it would explain because she. she stayed on script really well. amazingly well amazingly well Prett sure. it's their. website does it say anything about the. presidential. debates um the company's definitely. responded maybe it wasn't their website. maybe it was social media what is the. name of the company no I'm pretty sure. this is it okay um Google nova audio. earrings response to presidential.

debate Nova audio earrings respon. response to presidential debates sounds. like a. troll um I might have been a troll. that's why I wanted to see it in real. time to find out what the [ __ ] it is but. see if there's a. website where they responded because I. think they did. respond I could find it I know I say. IT company says kamala's earrings. strikingly similar to its Bluetooth.

device okay there it is strikingly. similar to its Bluetooth device offers. to make ones for. Trump you imagine if Trump starts. wearing. earrings first of all that would never. work because you can't tell them what to. do yeah he would never he's not going to. listen it's not going to happen he knows. he's freeballing we do not know whether. Mrs Harris uh War or one of our products. the resemblance is striking and while. our product is not specifically. developed for the use at presedential. presidential debates it is nonetheless.

suited for. it okay there you go yeah to ensure a. Level Playing Field for both candidates. we are currently developing a male. version and we'll soon be able to offer. it to the Trump campaign the choice of. color is a bit challenging though as. orange does not go well with a lot of. colors. [Laughter]. that company's funny they're funny. that's a funny company I I would buy. their [ __ ] bulletproof earrings for.

Trump yeah right uh yeah I mean how. crazy is the the the conspiracy theory. that he didn't actually get shot that he. like cut his ear like a pro wrestler. like yeah that's a that's another or. that it was shrapnel which to me would. make even less sense because yeah it's a. very minor injury because she could just. got nicked uhhuh but if it's shrapnel. you would. expect you know marks all over his face. right or not you know the thing is. shrapnel could be a small piece of. shrapnel you know shrapnel's not uniform. right so if it hits a railing which.

apparently there is some shot um there's. some video footage of cuz I think there. was nine shots fired total yeah was that. what it was something like that. something crazy like that about that. though Trump sustained 2 centimet wide. gunshot wound to his ear okay the thing. is ears heal pretty quick yeah and 2. centimet I mean you can't see it from I. saw holes from when I got my ear ears. pierced oh yeah but that's different. that's a hole this is a scratch um like. ears like I've gotten my ears [ __ ] up. a bunch of times from Jiu-Jitsu and they.

heal pretty quick it's uh foreheads heal. quick ears heal quick things around your. mouth heal really quick there there's. parts of your body that have a lot of. blood vessels and they they heal pretty. quick he's old which is odd for him not. to have a scar but it's not. inconceivable that it could just scratch. the surface and that would cause a lot. of blood like if you get a forehead cut. forehead cuts are crazy you it just. pours blood on your face but if you get. a cut like on your knee it doesn't even. drip you know you have to have a real.

cut on your knee to be dribbling blood. down your shin you know the the forehead. is filled with blood vessels as I think. are the tips of the ears so I think it. would bleed a lot and it it might be a. minor injury that bleeds a lot and it. could heal in a few days also it. wouldn't even M even if he didn't get. hit with a bullet which he did but if he. didn't it doesn't make a difference he. still got shot at it doesn't change what. happened people behind him one guy died. and other people got griev grievously.

injured like terribly injured to the. point where it's going to affect them. for the rest of their life the the more. bizarre thing about the shooting is that. it's only been two months since it. happened right two months uh or not even. two months it's been like a month and a. half and and we've we've moved on like. it never happened like it never happened. in two weeks in two weeks they stopped. talking about it it's had had no. political impact whatsoever nuts uh he. he got no polling Boost from it Reagan. got like 12 points briefly which just.

shows you the polls are full of. [ __ ] probably but yeah full of [ __ ] I. mean they are full of [ __ ] but also I. would I would I it would not Shock me if. because we're so easily distracted if. people really did just forget and don't. care a week later two weeks later well. as long as it's not in the news and it's. not in the news you don't you don't care. about it also there was no press. conference um so that's kind of crazy. there was no disclosure of all the. information about this young man's prior. history what led him to this um they.

went to his apartment and it was. professionally scrubbed there was no. silverware in his place there's also. this bizarre thing where there's uh you. know how they get ad data where you. could track where phones have been yeah. this one phone was going from outside of. the FBI office in Washington DC to where. this kid is multiple times. um so how did this kid get these. explosive devices how did he get up on. the roof how do they how did they not.

flag him and you see a guy walking. around with a rangefinder a half an hour. before the event that guy is going to. jail like what are you talking about you. there's two reasons for a rangefinder. you're trying to shoot something or. you're using it for golf or if you're. not playing golf then you're trying to. shoot something that's the only other. reason for a rangefinder yeah and that. was like 3 hours before yeah they knew. about that kid they they they were aware. that he was there he somehow or another. got on the roof with a rifle the whole. thing sucks it stinks to high heaven and.

then they cremate him he's gone they. they they get his body someone snatches. his body like five or six days after the. event and 10 days later he's cremated. the whole thing is nuts like who is this. kid why did he do this why did some. 20-year-old kid take shots at the. president yeah why didn't he have a. scope this is one where I'm totally open. to conspiracy theories only because. there's not even there's not even like. an official narrative for they'. basically told us nothing so we're left. to fill in the blanks not only that.

think about how perfect it would have. been for a plan to assassinate someone. if you do get this lone crazy kid you. give him whatever I mean there's been no. toxicology examination of his body. that's been released right so who knows. what the [ __ ] this kid's on if you're. going to try to convince someone to go. shoot the former president you'd. probably dope him up with some crazy. [ __ ] right and then that would be system. and then we would be like be able to. trace okay how do you get this let's. let's talk to all the people that are on. his cell phone all the people that are.

in his email let's investigate and find. out where the [ __ ] he got this stuff. that he's on when he shoots at the. president you don't hear a peep out of. that so this guy somehow or another. figures out how to get on the roof take. these shots and then they kill him now. if he shot and hit Trump if Trump didn't. turn his head at that pivotal moment. where they're talking about and it's a. head shot Trump is is dead the world's. in chaos and this kid's dead seconds. later and then it's like that crazy kid.

who shoots the president and that's it. and then okay now who's going to run as. a republican who's the world's in chaos. yeah it would have been a perfect plan. if that kid just pulled it. off yeah I mean and I just I. can't I think about I I when I do a like. a college speech we'll have a little. we'll have a few security guys there uh. and there's no way if someone showed up. with a. rangefinder they would not get in the.

building anyone that looks vaguely. suspicious with any kind of bag is. getting flagged I got like you know got. three or four guys and I'm just a guy. I'm like just a guy giving a speech at a. college that never would have happened. it could not have happened they would. have flag especially three hours ahead. of time so how does that happen with the. president of United or former president. it's it's impossible to wrap your mind. around it's not like they've come up. with. it's not like they've come up with some. explanation where you could go okay well. now I can see how that might have. happened everything we've we've heard. since then just makes you even more.

confused no it's it's insane the whole. story is insane and the fact that it. went away is even more insane and the. fact that there was a brief moment where. even Biden was saying that we have to. stop being so polarized and stop. attacking each other and just try to. help this country heal and then eh week. later [ __ ] that guy that guy's a threat. to democracy part but I I also think. think part of it the fact that America. that America seems to have moved on is. nuts part of it it was a it's a. political mistake a lot of it's the.

media of course they have no interest in. talking about it some of it goes to the. Republican party I mean I you had the. Republican convention which was like two. days later the so the timing is. nuts and even at the Republican. convention I just felt like the fact. that this guy was almost killed two days. ago should be like the center piece of. this thing I mean you've got got all the. cameras on you for 4 days and so. everything you were planning for the. convention should change now because of.

this and it should take on an extra. seriousness and just the whole tone. should change yeah because of this in. incredible historic event fist up fight. fight the whole thing and uh I don't. know they just went to the Republican. convention and they started parading. around the normal you know they had. their comes. out they've got Instagram influencers. and they've got you know they got magga. rappers from YouTube and it's just like. you're not you're you are not showing us. how serious this thing is and so I think.

that was a mistake right well I think. you only wanted to address it once and. it's probably look he's got a great. ability to push things aside and it's. one of the reasons why he didn't age. like everybody else ages when they get. into the White House he kind of aged. normal you know like he didn't seem any. older when he got out as when he got in. he was the same guy um I think he's got. this ability because because so many. people have hated him for so long he. gets attacked so often he knows how to. just shut it off and shut it out and I. think he probably did that with the. assassination attempt too it's one of.

the reasons why he said I'm going to. talk about it once and I'm not going to. talk about it again and he's basically. held to that other than briefly. mentioning it that he thinks he got shot. in the head because of the way they talk. about him which I would agree I mean if. we watched that we' watched that footage. right before the um podcast of uh Trump. on the coar show that apparently never. aired but Jamie says you can get it on. coob Bear's website it was on YouTube I. don't know why people I does no no no. but there's just saying that it never.

aired never aired on television is that. true I why would it be on YouTube though. well um because sometimes things get on. YouTube that never air on television. like Fear Factor The Fear Factor episode. that got us cancelled you you can't. watch it on on television it would never. aired on NBC but it it's on the on. YouTube you can watch it on. YouTube there's things that get article. from it in the Atlantic from the. after there those things that go around. like okay so he might have actually been. a guest yeah he did okay so he was a.

guest on it but the way they talk to him. the way coar talks to him and the way. they talk to him on The View the view is. my favorite one the view is wild when. they're all hugging him and everybody. loves him they both are I think they're. equally as wild because Co Bears. apologizes to him apparently and that. for being mean to him tells him in the. in the clip we watched tells him uh I'm. so grateful that you're running for. presid president yeah and this was he. said that yeah yeah and this was. September of uh. 2016 or. 15 so this was of course after he'.

already announced a year year plus. before the elections yeah but everybody. thought he was a joke back then yeah I. think it was I I think it was that they. they were happy that he. ran uh and they wanted him to win the. nomination because they thought that he. easily beat him so he was really this. really is a Frankenstein kind of story. from their perspective that cuz they. look at him as a monster this monstrous. figure and they re the media. deliberately created this they they gave. him all the attention they sucked all.

the oxygen out of the room for every. other candidate because this is the guy. they wanted and they thought he's we're. going to annihilate him there's no way. he's going to win a general election and. of course he won but uh and I think. that's one of the reasons why ever since. then they haven't been able the media. they they just can't they hate him with. an extra passion that that that they. have not had even for other Republican. presidents and I think I think a lot of. it is it's like this they're. projecting because they realize that. they did this and uh and they just can't.

get over it I think well there's. definitely this overcorrection you know. uh Robert Epstein talked about that uh. you know Robert ep's done all that work. on Google and these uh ephemeral um. instances of interacting with Google. where it shows you with search results. and with uh news stories that get. brought to your feed that they're. temporary you don't record them so so he. records all these and what he has found. through his research is that especially. with people that are on the fence like. people that are 50/50 you can swing 5050.

to. 9010 like people that don't know who. they're going to vote for you can make. it 9010 just through these interactions. with Google it's really chocking what do. you mean 9010 in what way 9010 like say. if you want um Hillary to win or you. want Trump to win who whatever candidate. you choose if you manipulate the search. results if you manipulate just the fill. in you know the suggestions is Matt. Walsh a and then it just fills it in.

just through that just through the. suggestions they can manipulate it to a. significant difference for people that. are on the fence that are Independence. or that are undecided and he said you. can take 50/50 and turn it to 9010 which. is [ __ ] stunning it's stunning. terrifying it's it's terrifying and it's. unregulated and one of the things that. happened was after Trump won in. 2016 there was some sort of a meeting at. Google where they were openly talking. about this and they were talking about. we can't let this happen again which is.

such a crazy thing to say that we can't. let the people decide who they want to. be president again if that ex is what. they said if that is what they and let's. find out what the actual quote was I. could see how someone would say that if. they worked at an insurance company and. they're Pro you know dieh hard Dem. Democrat blue no matter who and they. were like we can't let this happen again. I could see how you say that if you're. just an individual voter who doesn't. really have an impact but if you're.

someone who can shift undecided voters. from 5050 to 9010 as Robert everin is. alleging if that's true that's a crazy. thing to say because you're deciding. you're going to decide the result of the. election and you don't give a [ __ ] about. debate and free speech and people being. able to decide for themselves because. you think that you're right. and you think everybody else should. agree with you you also think that you. are or you've told yourself that you are. the uh the. Vanguard protecting democracy in our way.

of life which is crazy which is insane. of course the idea that you have to. prevent people from voting from a c for. a certain guy in order to protect. democracy it's like is nuts it's so nuts. uh but but that's what they actually. believe and and when you uh tell. yourself that you you convince yourself. that well this is for their own good. like these people are silly they don't. know they're dumb they're bigoted they. don't understand what they're doing and. so for their own good we have to prevent. we to do whatever we can to prevent this. when I talked to some of my hardcore.

Lefty friends that are still left in La. that I was telling you about before they. say we they say we all the time we have. to win this they say that all the time. we can win if this happens they say that. kind of [ __ ] and they talk about it like. they're talking about the Dodgers they. really do they talk about it like talk. about our team and they're connected to. all these other people in their. community and they're all on this team. team and it's weird man it's a weird. little hack that it's just like hypnosis. it's weird that you could just do that. to people it's weird that you can get.

people to just ideologically be captured. and join this team and lose all ability. to look at things objectively and and. and just understand nuance and. understand the influence of propaganda. and like how many people are spending. money on this and like why is well is. all the news have this one specific. narrative and then Fox News is a totally. different well what is going on here. nobody does that and not only not only. can you get them to obviously they hate. Trump but to. also demonize to you.

know half of the the country's. population I mean there was just I think. it was MSNBC yesterday one of these. pundits was talking about Trump and said. well he's he's despicable he's terrible. but his supporters are too he said and. uh they they went on about how terrible. his supporters are which is you're. talking about tens of millions of. Americans a basket of deplorables right. but you know we take it for granted now. but 15 years ago that would kind of be. Unthinkable you it was just you you.

wouldn't do that you would you say. whatever you want about a politician you. hate them they're terrible but it was. just generally understood that you don't. you don't use that language to talk. about all the people voting for them. these are American citizens do you. remember when mint Romney and Barack. Obama. debated it was the most cordial yeah. professional respectful discussion of. the issues and who could do a better job. kind of amazing kind of amazing that. that was what was that. 2012 yeah kind of amazing uh and I don't.

mind because you can go back further in. American history and you can find like. back to the beginning and they're in. Congress like beating each other over. the head with fireplace pokers and that. sort of thing and I don't you know. there's an argument to be made for that. kind of it certainly makes C-SPAN a lot. more interesting uh but that shows a. certain passion for the issues I suppose. sure but that's it's what we have now is. different from that it's it's it's much. more I. mean there have been multiple cases. recently of Congressional.

hearings where they start screaming at. each other Mar Taylor green Mar tayor. green AOC and who's the other one uh. Jasmine Crockett I think and it's like a. waffle house it's like you. know just no respect for each other but. also no no dignity at all no no class no. respect for the position right like you. can't be yelling out oh baby girl like. congresswoman this is crazy and they're. making fun of each other's wigs Google. versus Trump leaked video reveals.

Executives negative reactions to Trump's. 2016 election Victory so what is the. actual quote I didn't see the actual. quote that we were trying to find there. were stuff said that they weren't happy. and then this got so this was a. confidential video that got released via. Breitbart in 2016 so he's saying here. hold on he's saying here most people are. pretty upset and sad because of the. election uh imagine that most people. like how do you know like um myself as. an immigrant a refugee I certainly find. this election deeply offensive and I.

know many of you do too I think it's a. very stressful time and it conflicts. with many of our values so scroll up. what else is this say uh he also he then. added to like he hopes the there might. be I find where it was it was might have. been right here yeah less convinced he. said I find many of the things Trump has. done very offensive I don't have very. high hopes but he could do anything you. have no idea maybe he will do something. great who knows take a little bit of. wishful thinking so Google pushed back. that there wasn't any bias discussed in.

the meeting well that's bias right there. saying that most of us are upset right. uh for over 20 years everyone in Google. has been able to freely Express their. opinions at these meetings nothing was. said at that meeting or any other. meeting to suggest that any political. biases ever influences the way we build. or operate our products so this is. Google's official statement so what else. did he say though where cuz the thing. that Robert was alleging that he was. saying we're going to make sure it. doesn't happen again I I couldn't find. that quote I watched a little bit of the. video with close cap scroll back up so I.

could just read all those quotes here it. doesn't say it though. right someone else that they're giving a. quote of not. him I think a lot of us would agree this. election was particularly hard he said. there was a lot of. rhetoric there was a lot of rhetoric. yeah well that's what elections. are um uh. one of the things that's always. interesting to me is that they that they. are so desperate to stop Trump and they. that. they they act like it's it's you know.

the future of the planet hangs in the. balance. meanwhile they still own everything they. own all the institutions Google you know. the federal government so the truth is. that Trump could get into. office this happened last time he was in. office for four years they act like he. was end of the world then he's out of. office and they basically reverse. everything he did in like 2 seconds mhm. a couple executive orders whatever and. and most of it never took hold anyway. because the bureaucracy is entirely.

aligned against Trump. so uh it's it that's the problem is that. even when Trump gets in there there's. there's he's he's handicapped in his. ability to do anything because the. entire federal government he might be at. the top of it but everybody underneath. him uh despises him and they're all. leftist so. and they they could just reverse it the. second that he leaves and yet they still. act like if he's in there that it's it's. the end of the world they still can't.

you think they'd almost have an attitude. they're like yeah whatever fine let let. them have it for four years it still. won't matter because we're still going. to be in charge of everything did you. see the conversation where this woman. was uh talking to someone from the Trump. from from Trump's team um saying worried. that he was going to weaponize the. judicial system once he got into to. office that if he got into office he. would weaponize the judicial system and. go after his enemies oh wow and he says. like what can't imagine what are you.

saying are are you for you saying that. and asking whether or not Trump would do. that you have to acknowledge the fact. that that's absolutely happening to him. right now and then she tries to push. back against it and he does a brilliant. job of explaining how she's incorrect. hey let me I'm going to find this Jamie. CU this is a good one um unless you. could find it but it's it's kind of. crazy like to to see this conversation. take place cuz you're just like what. like how are you even how are you so.

blind to what's absolutely happening. that you could even say. that I'm gonna find it God damn it it's. so hard to find things that you save on. these little social media. platforms see if you can find it Jamie. from the debate no it was from a. conversation between someone in the. Trump Administration someone on his team. and uh I know I could find it if you. just give me a second that Trump is. going to weaponize the yeah that that's. the her argument is that Trump is going. to weaponize the political system and.

you know this guy saying what what how. are you even saying that without. admitting that he that they're doing. that right now to. him God damn it I'm not going to find it. I don't know where I saved. it. sorry every time I type it in all I see. is stuff about Trump saying he would use. I know but that's because of Google and. that's why what's face is. correct God I know I saved it [ __ ] of. course the funny thing is that he.

definitely will not do that no well he. didn't do that when he was in office he. could have done that to Hillary he said. he thought it would be a bad look yeah. yeah he he ran on Locker up and he. didn't I mean that's the thing they. always their criticisms of trump one of. the reasons they don't really land is. that. they they're not hitting them in the. places where like they don't even. understand what is weaknesses actually. are uh they try to make him out to be. some kind of dictator that's that's the. opposite if anything he has the opposite. if anything he has the opposite flaw.

that he he's actually. uh hesitant to wield power even in times. when he. should so you know if anything that. should be the criticism that uh you. should use your power more. but he's probably the least. dictatorial you know presidential. candidate we we've ever had yeah. probably when you think about what he. actually did when he was in off in. office but that's why it gets weird it's. like cuz they can say something and it. can be not true but yet enough people.

repeat it and then it just becomes a. narrative that everyone just I mean like. it's true that he's a convicted felon. now but is it true that it's that it. makes any sense no for you to say that. he's a convicted felon like okay right. but what did he do do you know what he. did what he did is a misdemeanor like. and it also it had lapsed the. um the you know whatever the [ __ ] it is. where you uh stat statue limitations. thank you so and there's 34 counts for a.

bookkeeping right and but they don't. know what he did the people saying that. they don't know what he did they have. they don't care right they don't care so. they just repeat that thing that he's a. convicted. felon I can't find this goddamn thing. it's driving me nuts because it was. really interesting I hate when I save. something and I don't know where I put. it but I know I do and the funny thing. these are also people who otherwise. would say that the court system is. entirely. corrupt that just because you're. convicted felony really doesn't mean. anything at all necessarily right uh so.

but in this case they they put a lot of. stock in it well it's just we're in the. weirdest time where people are willing. to believe [ __ ] it's it's not as. simple as being able to recognize. [ __ ] they recognize it they have it. right in front of them and they're. willing to believe it because it's more. convenient to believe it. yeah all right I can't find it I'm. giving up right. now damn.

it well they've said stuff like that for. sure yeah I know they have but this one. was really interesting because you see. this guy combat it and the way he. combats it is so so interesting to see. her squirm because yeah that's exactly. what they're doing there I mean it's not. a terrible crime that he committed and. you're making it seem as if it's. something that he deserves to be in jail. for the rest of his life for and that's. crazy that's a crazy thing to say and. that might actually happen if he doesn't. become president if he doesn't become. president they might actually lock him.

up for 25 years for that which is. essentially the rest of his life will be. behind bars at Rikers yeah I kind of go. back I that's the conventional wisdom at. least U the people I talk to that they. say well if if if Trump doesn't win he's. going to jail and so he's got a lot on. the line here um I kind of think are. they really like maybe it's naive of me. to think but would they would they do. that or would they rather just he. loses KLA wins and then they can let try.

they'd want Trump to just Fade Into. Obscurity and never talk about him again. I don't know. um I would tend to think that that would. be that they'd prefer that but probably. not I mean they yeah you don't know it's. it's just it's so hard to tell what. people would or wouldn't do today it's. just the whole country seems so committ. to their side and uh I don't know what a. solution to that is and I don't know how. we get past this and whether Trump wins.

or loses like what happens what happens. next there's a i there's certainly a. real thirst for vengeance um they they. they want revenge on him I think that's. what it comes down to uh whether it. helps them politically or not because I. think that's the problem is that if they. if kala wins and then they really go. after Trump and try to put him in jail. and if they actually do put him in jail. I don't see how it helps them. politically uh I think that's just going. to radicalize people on the right even. more than they already are it will. radicalize people on the right but. people for Good Reason by the way I'm.

radicalized by it yeah. but but I so it doesn't help them. politically but I think they just they. he has to pay the price for defying them. for so many years but if he does get in. office then it gets very. interesting because then it's like what. can he what can he do now like how much. different is his take on it now because. one of the things that he said is the. first time he got in and he didn't know. anything about governing he like I had. to find people and I picked some of the. wrong people but I I know better now and. I could do a better job at now which.

kind of makes sense because what if I. wanted to talk to him one of the things. I would really want to ask is what is it. like the first when you actually get in. there they don't think you're going to. be in there and now a sudden you're the. actual president like what is the. resistance like what are the. communications like what can you say. about how you have these conversations. with these people and how you how you. govern how you get things done yeah how. much power do you actually have what is. it actually like because we all have. this sort of mystical view of what it's. like to be the actual president but very.

few people and only one ever that's not. a part of the system has ever snuck. through and attained that that position. it's only him yeah I'd be interested to. hear his answer that I it wouldn't. surprise me if in a weird way when you. become president you you you feel very. powerless once you're sitting there. because you realize that you're you're. overseeing this just gigantic. Mammoth thing that's that's just so. unwieldy there's no like there's no way.

to really control it yeah um and. especially in his case you've got so. many people within his own. Administration plotting against him so. there is there a lot of people within. his own Administration now you think. plotting against him or only then do you. think it's just like backstabby politics. that just what they do period I mean at. the time there certainly was and I think. but I think he also made some he made. some bad choices in Personnel he made a. lot of really bad I mean bringing guys. like John Bolton in.

uh there's no chance that you're not. going to be undermined by somebody like. that um and especially you know in. Trump's first uh campaign in 2016 drain. the swamp was uh was one of the it was. build the wall and drain the swamp and. and lock her up you know the two three. big things and you don't we don't hear. drain the swamp nearly as anymore in. fact I don't think I've heard it it's. never said anymore right which is. unfortunate because that is actually. that is that is the first thing that. needs to happen if he gets in there and. what I would love to see is that okay.

he's in there now he got back in they. tried to stop him they tried to kill him. they tried to put him in jail he still. got in there he doesn't he's not getting. reelected this is it for him four more. years he's out of politics forever after. that uh and I'd love to see him. just I got I got nothing to lose now. they're going to put me in jail when I'm. out of office you know so I got nothing. to lose I don't care what these people. say and just ruthlessly push your agenda. through no matter how much they complain. about I'd love to see him do that I.

think that they're assuming he will. which is why they're so desperate to. stop him um but but I don't know that. didn't happen the first time you know. so I hope it does it's also going to be. very interesting to see like what do. they do to try to prevent this from. happening in the future cuz one of the. things that it's been discussed is. cracking down on misinformation and that. Free Speech doesn't include. misinformation which is a wild thing to. say after what we just went through with.

covid where what people were saying was. misinformation turned out to be 100%. true and not just about Co but about a. bunch of things Hunter Biden laptop. story there's quite a few different. things you could point to like who the. [ __ ] gets to decide what's information. only the government you guys the people. that have lied about basically. everything like this is a crazy thing to. say and to be running on that and to get. people to support that just the lack of. understanding of what it means to be. able to freely express ideas and. communicate and whistleblowers.

whistleblowers from corporations that. are telling you about something they're. doing that's illegal whistleblowers from. government agents that are telling you. they're spying on you when it's illegal. all that [ __ ] like to to have that be. filtered through the government is an. insane position and yet that's something. that they talk about and this is. something bizarrely that the left. supports well even if uh CU even if it. is Mis most of the stuff they call. misinformation isn't but in the case. when there's something that is Missin. it's it's just not true that's being.

plenty of that goes around the internet. that's still free speech too you have. the right to say things that are not as. long as you're not slandering somebody. you have the right to make claims about. the world that don't happen to be true. uh so the idea that that doesn't qualify. as free speech is of course absurd and. then but then who then that also. requires some Central Authority be the. Arbiter of what is true and what is not. exactly and it's like a childish view of. Truth and lies it's childish because one. of the only ways that people find out if.

something is correct or not is let. someone say something that's incorrect. and then someone who knows a lot more. comes along and corrects them right yeah. that's that's how it works you know like. I had uh Terrence Howard you know. Terence Howard the actor brilliant guy. but wrong about a lot of the things that. he thinks he's right about I brought him. in with Eric Weinstein and Eric. Weinstein who's Genius Like a legitimate. genius and a mathematician explained him. like very patiently and carefully this. is why you're wrong and this is what you. need to know and ex you've got some good.

ideas but you're off on all these. different things I'm an actual expert. and let me help you out here and so. anybody who saw Terren Howard talk on. the first podcast had this idea like oh. wow maybe he's right about all these. things anybody who saw the second. podcast with Eric where Eric clearly. corrects him and actually knows what. he's talking about he's a brilliant guy. now you have a that's what free speech. is supposed to be about that's what it's. supposed to be about an actual expert. comes and corrects everything and then. you have this look at it like okay now I.

see now it's been look but it it's not. silence Terrence Howard because he. doesn't know what the [ __ ] he's saying. no it's like let him talk now let. someone who really knows what they're. talking about explain to him why he's. wrong that's the benefit of free speech. and everybody who listens to that has a. better understanding of all these. different really weird complex things. that they're discussing that maybe. otherwise you would never have. illuminated in that way You' never. really be able to understand it that's. that's why I think the the free speech. thing is people act like it's a.

complicated it's a complicated subject. where do you draw the line what is Free. Speech uh what what qualifies and what. doesn't I don't think it is that. complicated really I think it's. just uh you should have the right to. express whatever your opinion happens to. be everyone should be able to say their. opinion their point of view uh wrong or. right. reprehensible or or not they should be. able to say it yeah you can't defame. someone you can't threaten to kill. somebody but those aren't really. opinions that's that's that's different.

it's like if it's just your opinion. about what's happening in the world uh. it should be allowed and it should be. allowed legally should be allowed on. every social media. platform I think it's kind of simple. actually to to differentiate between. that and the because yeah there's. certain kinds of speech that should not. be allowed we all understand that yeah. it's complicated and this childish idea. that just handed over to the the. government to clean it up that's not the. answer it is complicated there there are. going to be people that say a bunch of. things that aren't true but the way to. combat that is not put the government in.

charge of what's. true especially when they've been wrong. so many times or they just out and out. lied so many times that's a crazy. position for the left to take the ones. are supposed to be the party of science. and reason and the ones are supposed to. be the most educated it's it's just a. bizarre perspective just because you. don't want Trump to win just you know. you don't want this to happen again and. they hate speech sh is the other is the. other uh the other label they use. to you can't you can't say Tim wall said. this recently yeah about free speech he.

said well of course you can't hate. speech and misinformation doesn't count. but what is hate speech hate speech is. just you're expressing that you hate. something that's people people hate. things you know it's legitimate there. are some things we should hate um so the. idea that that it's it's it's. automatically illegitimate to express. view if it's if it's communicating. hatred is of course ridiculous it is. ridiculous but it's also a really goofy. label that you can slap on basically. anything right like hate speech can get.

to the point where if you call Caitlyn. Jenner Bruce Jenner that's hate speech. right that's dead naming dead naming. falls under hate speech and so what are. you saying you can't do that like well. that's [ __ ] ridiculous I can call him. a [ __ ] but I can't say his name is Bruce. that's Insanity like what what what. world are we living in where you can. decide what someone can and can't say by. a label that's so why it's such a net. you're casting you know hate speech it's. like completely subjective anyone can.

decide what's hate speech right it and. it's it it implies that all hatred is. automatically bad or at least it puts. the people in power in position where. they can decide what kind of things. you're allowed to hate and what you're. not right and it it makes things all. equal too something like very benign. versus something truly awful It's all. under this one stupid umbrella of hate. speech yeah hate crimes too the same. where do you think we would be if Elon. hadn't bought. Twitter uh different world right yeah.

that's that that's I think Elon Musk is. uh he is actually preserving Free. Speech one of the main people preserving. free speech in America right now and. going into space so it's it's always. funny to me when people when the left. tries to nitpick and needle at him it's. like this is one of the most significant. human on the planet right now and. literally one of the most significant. human beings historically ever right. he's like a Nicola Tesla type character. that people are going to be talking. about a 100 years from now and he'll you.

SpaceX will launch a rocket and it'll. blow up or something uh Stephen King was. making fun of him right yeah you have. someone like Stephen King like rocket. blew up it's like dude what yeah your. Rockets dumple up because you don't. build them I mean uh not only that like. he made this tweet about how it it. damaged the ionosphere that when it blew. up but do you know that that like heals. up in like 40 minutes yeah you didn't. even bother looking into that like every. time they punch a rocket through that. [ __ ] it damages it but it it heals it's.

like it punches it's like you know you. punch a hole through a. cloud and and a lot of times when they. say that the rocket malfunction or. something is actually doing exactly what. it was supposed to do this is a test run. or whatever but yeah they have to test. tolerances and parameters do I mean they. have a lot of them blow up yeah that's. what you have to do until you get one. that doesn't blow up yeah you you and. you need and just need people in the. world this is very much the uh it's like. the teddy Rosell man in the arena you. know speech you need people in the arena. who are actually trying to do stuff do.

do important things uh you need people. like that yeah and of course social. media gives a platform for people who. are like not doing anything at all to. just sit and Snicker at the few people. in the world who are trying to achieve. something yeah but that's okay that's. okay too that's their free speech you. know let you know if that's what Stephen. King want do today let them go who cares. you know it's it's interesting to watch. it's all of it is interesting to watch. you know there's there's a a lot of.

people out there that are fools and they. serve as uh education to others you see. the Folly in their actions and behaviors. and how stupid they look and how. ridiculous this whole thing is and it's. there for you you learn from those. people you can you could you have a. better understanding of human behavior. you have a better understanding that. people are capable of you know being. really interesting intelligent people. but also being buffoons at the same time. and that you know we're all subject to. all these various influences and.

especially through the use of social. media which just like I said before it's. just it's an anxiety creating machine. and there's so many of these people that. are attached to it that are so deeply. rooted in these online conversations and. so disconnected from the natural world. and it's odd it's odd to watch but. they're there for you they're there for. an education and understanding a greater. understanding of the the weird nuances. of human thinking because that's that's. genuinely what this whole thing is all. about all the ideologies and all the you.

know left and the right and the. immigrants are great and immigrants are. terrible and they're eating Ducks all of. it is just human thinking trying to. figure out what's the correct and. incorrect way that we all cohabitate and. what's what's the best way for all of us. to sort of get along yeah I mean that's. the Catch 22 with social media because. it could be if you use it exactly the. right way it does give you access to uh. all these human beings and the way that. they're thinking about things which. could be quite enlightening.

um but most people don't use it the. right way and also you have to use it. the right way and you can this is also. why in my opinion my kids none of my. kids have smartphones or social media. they're gonna get. bullied well they're not they're on. social media so they will get bullied by. how how old are your kids uh our oldest. are 11 uh that's young enough they. shouldn't have social media yeah I agree. with you there but as they get into like. the high school ages like I think it's a. new world we're navigating it they. should learn how to navigate it too I. think it is very addictive but it also.

there's people that know how to walk. away from it and know how to. self-regulate and I think that's a. valuable skill that I think everyone's. going to have to learn yeah I think once. you like I mean we've T we haven't quite. decided when we're going to introduce. this stuff to the kids but once you get. into at a certain point yeah I don't. want them to be 18 and it's their first. time ever holding a cell phone right cuz. then you're just then they have no we. haven't given them the tools to. understand how to use this stuff like. the emotional and you know intellectual. tools uh so you got to introduce it at. some point but you know mo most kids.

today I don't know what the the latest. figure is but H millions of kids today. have smartphones by the time they're. like eight or nine years old and a lot. of my kids you know with friends when. they come over and 8 nine 10 years old. and they've got phones I just think it's. like that's it can only harm them you. understand as a parent you're giving. them something this age they cannot use. it appropriately or correctly they they. don't have the tools for it they're not. old enough it can only it cannot help. them in their life it can only harm them. it can only do damage to them I think.

we're going to look at it 20 30 years. ago uh 20 30 years from now the same way. we look at people. smoking I think we're going to think. what were we doing what were we doing. giving kids those goddamn phones what. what did we do like what we don't even. know what the kids of today who are on. the internet who are subject to the same. sort of horrific images that you and I. are talking about ear earlier like what. is that doing to people long term like I. never got exposed to anything like that. when I was seven like how many kids are. getting exposed to murder videos when. they're 10 years old yeah probably quite.

a few pornography yeah oh that's the. craziest one right because that was a. hard thing to get it was difficult when. I was a boy we'd find magazines in the. woods you know you knew a guy who had a. VHS tape oh my God it was crazy no one. can find it now kids have it on their. phones and it's instantaneous you have. 5G on your phone you can go to any porn. site anytime you want yeah I mean the. average age of first exposure to. pornography now is like I think it's. around 10 years old I mean it depends on. I guess what study you look at but it's.

it's young and it and it's not just CU. yeah PE people sometimes will dismiss. the harms of it but because they'll say. they'll say oh yeah my I found a Playboy. under my dad's mattress or whatever not. the same it's not at all the same I mean. the the the kind of thing you're being. exposed to how often you're being. exposed to it how ubiquitous it is now. how readily available it is it's not all. the same well you know we had the guys. on from that chimp crazy show you know. that new show on HBO where the the. people have pet chimps no crazy it's the. same guys who did Tiger King oh and it's.

amazing it's on Max used to be HBO and. um one of the things they said is The. Chimps get addicted to pornography. really yeah they get addicted to. pornography and they watch it all the. time like these certain chimps that get. older they give them iPads they give. them phones and they show them you know. they get on the internet and if someone. shows them pornography they get addicted. to pornography that's crazy that's crazy. and they start sexualizing human. beings well that kind of goes to show. there's something Primal about even just.

the well obviously with pornography but. the the phone the even like my kid my. are two-year-old twins they don't have. phones obviously but they're just. something about the phone itself even if. it's off they just like to cool object. yeah yeah and uh and our kids we will. you know they don't have tablets and all. that stuff if we go on a long car trip. it's the one time we make an exception. if we're going on like a 20-hour car. trip just so we don't just for our own. sanity we'll let them have tablets in in. the car just with games and books and. stuff but then we get wherever we're.

going take the we take the tablets away. you don't get them anymore but there's. there's like a detox period of like two. or three days where they they're. jonesing for it they're constantly they. can't they're constantly asking for it. then once you get past that they're fine. again but there's a real it's like. there's something it it creates this. compulsion and kids take to it really. quickly MH uh and it just becomes a it's. like a it becomes another limb for them. part of their part of them somehow. really quickly yeah it's weird and the.

addictions to phones which we all have. then the addictions to social media. which a lot of people have and then you. get these weird insulated groups that. live in Echo Chambers and that's I think. like one of the things you highlight the. most about this show this uh am icist. film that you made is is like the. struggle sessions where these people. like the the first scene where you uh. before they know who you are when you're. you're going and it's sitting there and.

and talking to these people about these. things like who are you like where do. you live how do you think like this like. what is going on in your life that you. you've been exposed to this version of. the world that seems so ridiculous to. someone who's not in that bubble so. ridiculous that it seems fake it seems. like you're doing a Borat thing yeah and. it's yeah we've gotten that with the the. movie people ask is it is all all is. that all real or did we stay it's all. totally real we didn't script any of it.

and that in particular is a yeah it's. like a support group for white people. who are struggling with their white. grief because they they have privilege. and they're grieving their whiteness and. their privilege and uh there's this. woman uh bashia Wade I think his name. and a black woman she'll do these. sessions with white people where she'll. kind of like talk them through their. whiteness and people yeah people pay. money to go and sit around and uh and. talk to her. and that was another one that was like. an hour and a half two hours in the room.

in real time when did they start. figuring out who you. were. uh at at some point mid Midway through. they started well they started looking. at me strange because I was. intentionally making it really awkward. uh just cuz it was funny um but then I. as you can see in the movie I I get I. get emotional cuz I'm on my own journey. of self-discovery and I had to leave. because there's the one one rule that. all these people have we ran into this. multiple times is if you're white you're. not allowed to cry in front of black.

people because that's white tears and. you can't shed white tears around black. people because white tears are. manipulative so in this place they she. had a a cry room she said if you get. emotional you have to cry go we have a. room get away from us and go cry over. there um so I at one point I left to the. cry room because I was I was getting. emotional uh you know it's a very. emotional experience to confront my. whiteness and I guess while I was gone. they uh yeah they they started talking. to each other and like who is this guy.

they looked it up and they were Googling. and uh and then I came back the whole. thing had changed the tone had changed. they kick me out it's a great scene they. call the cops when the guy is saying. he's trying to hold your hand he's. trying to grab you and you're like I did. not consent to be touched he's like I'm. not going to touch you I'm just going to. answer your questions come come I'll. answer your he's going to answer your. questions like what what kind of answers. are you going to give me buddy uh that. guy too I can say or well I don't one of. the people in that group was a uh a. professional cuddler actually we didn't.

it's not in the movie but we just know. that about them they they get paid to. cuddle with people yeah one of the. people in the group geez a Prof a a. cuddlist is what they call it so these. are but that's Fringe people we thought. about somehow we could put up a lower. third on the screen to like but it would. seems fake it's like right people don't. really professional cuddler come on but. this too crazy these people exist out. there this is a world that they live in. yeah they go to events like this and. they're they're.

very they feel they have a lot of guilt. for the fact that they're white you know. uh there were people crying in the. circle I mean they were getting really. emotional talking about it there's the. part where they she says. uh think about being white and like what. emotions come up when you think about. being white. and then everyone goes around and they. they're like I just I have revulsion I. just feel I cringe I feel cringe really. this is who you this is you you're. talking about.

yourself it's just it's sick it's a. sickness yeah well it was very funny at. the end too we try to get people at. spoiler alert try to get people to self. flagellate. yeah well. there a few people like that's it I'm. out like slowly you you lost like a. bunch of people over the the course of. it I didn't think I mean we we had that. plann as our last exercise when we bring. the whips out and uh we debated like is.

anyone really going to take a whip I. didn't think anybody would uh I thought. that this would be the because we needed. an end for the scene and so I thought. I'd bring the whips out and everybody. would. leave and so then that would be the end. and then that would be that's our. because you know it's a narrative we're. trying to tell story so that would be. the thing that shows me I've gone too. far. but then they start taking the whips and. I'm like I don't think I can actually. have you beat yourself right now for. like liability I don't know if I can do. that um so I was not expecting that well.

you lost a lot of people when you ask. who's the most racist person in the room. yeah there was really the uh right. before that I mean you know spoilers I. guess but. uh when I'm berading my uh my Racist. uncle. um and uh well I don't know you got you. got to watch it but you got to watch it. yeah that that was for me the the most. shock making the movie the most shocking. thing to me that happened that really. took me back was in that moment and the.

way they responded to it uh which I was. not expecting and it it's kind of dark. yeah they got aggressive with them yeah. yeah it's a great movie man and it's um. it's just like what is a woman in sort. of the same vein of just it almost feels. like satire but you realize it's not. it's just ridiculous but you do a great. job you do a really good job of staying. calm and dead panning because I don't I.

don't have that skill I would not be. able to hold it together I would have to. start laughing I would at some point in. time I'll would crack it's just I. wouldn't be able to not enjoy it in the. moment to the point where you that's the. thing you don't enjoy it in the moment. because in the it's actually it's really. unpleasant in the moment you're in this. environment with these it's say people. yeah it's like it's like exhausting you. know listening to this how did you. develop that skill to do that. though uh because that's a.

skill yeah I don't know if I. it's I can't say I did anything to. develop it it's more. just I just know what you we're making a. movie so I'm I'm aware of that the whole. time obviously if we weren't then the. cameras weren't rolling I wouldn't be. reacting the same way um so just kind of. keeping that in back of my mind like. this is what we need for this scene and. also but the main thing is we want to. with both movies uh the whole point is. to to create an environment where the.

other person feels comfortable saying. what they actually think and what they. really believe and doing what they would. really. do and that means not react because if. you laugh at them they clam up you know. if you argue with them if you show any. real. skepticism they clam they're not going. to tell you what they really believe and. then it's a it's a it's a boring movie. because all you're getting is the are. the talking points and that's especially. the case we found in this you know that. was the case with what as woman we're.

talking to the trans activist but in. this when you're talking to the race. Hustlers they've been doing it for a lot. longer the race hustle has been around a. lot longer than the trans hustle and uh. they're pretty good at what they do and. they they're usually pretty sensitive. to detecting when someone's being. skeptical and if they get that then they. they're they kind of go into a different. mode and they go into this kind of HR. Dei mode where everything's very. sanitized very surface level they're not.

going to they're not going to tell you. the stuff about how you know all white. people are inherently racist and all. they're not going to do they're not. going to get into the really brutal. terrible racist stuff um so we just. thought making this movie how can. we just create an environment where. they'll where they'll really themselves. be themselves the kookiest version which. with what is a woman all required was. just kind of being a blank slate and. asking questions with this one it. required more of a um affirmatively. agreeing with them and demonstrating.

that I'm fully on board with this. there's a a a like a feel that you have. when you go into the like like if I was. there and I didn't know you I'd be like. I think this guy's [ __ ] around. there's just an edge just a touch of it. just a touch of it that makes it even. funnier because you're hanging in there. and you're being dead plan but there's. some some moments where like one of my. favorite moments was you asked Robin. D'Angelo what mansplaining was and then. when she gave you a definition you. mansplained her you corrected.

her and she didn't even pick up with. what you just. did yeah I was proud of that it's very. subtle it's very subtle I was stretching. when I was watching that just laughing. really loud cuz it was like you just did. oh my God she did but the thing is she. did kind of. and I think I think you can see it on. camera in the room I could. tell she was kind of like what did you. just do yeah she was trying to figure. out in her head I think she was trying. to sort through it like is he.

is but I think she just. couldn't uh she couldn't the. possibility that she was in the room. with someone who doesn't already agree. with her about everything it's like. Unthinkable to her she couldn't she. couldn't fathom it she probably. that's probably the first time in like. 20 years that she' been in a room with. someone who doesn't agree with her on. everything has she responded to the. movie at all uh no she took down her. Twitter page so most of the PE most of.

the people in the movie uh have taken. down their Twitter pages deleted them so. they're kind. of they they're they're going into a. bubble somewhere I I mean the truth is. there's not a lot they can say because. listen if we if we deceptively edited it. if we pulled any trick like like that. they'd happily come out and say that but. they know that we didn't everything. that's in there is what they said we. didn't change anything uh it's all real. and and they know that so what can they. say and especially in Robin D'Angelo's.

case you. know she uh it you know it goes in a. direction she she's willing to do some. things that are quite embarrassing for. her. and but you know we didn't we didn't put. we didn't put a gun to her head we. didn't force her right so what can she. say well listen man congratulations it's. really funny it's great and and I think. it's it's a great way to expose how. ridiculous some of this [ __ ] is you. could expose it by being angry and. yelling and arguing with people on.

Twitter but to do it the way you did it. and just make it a hilarious hour and a. half movie is uh really good so Kudos. thank you man appreciate congratulations. all right uh tell everybody where they. can see it it's on dailywire.com. actually in theaters oh it's in theaters. it's in theaters right now oh nice nice. you get tickets at mist.com nice so. we're we're trying to get it out to make. it available to whoever wants to see it. it's very funny folks all right thank. you Matt appreciate it thank you bye. everybody.

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