Joe Rogan Experience #2191 - Russell Crowe

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day what's happening man pleasure to. meet you nice to meet you too it's. always so odd when you've seen someone. in so many movies and you meet him in. real life you're like yeah real person. you know it's strange isn't it yeah well. you know I I you know I do have that. same thing myself you know when I meet. somebody that uh I I his work I dig or.

whatever you know I'm I'm still just the. same fan that I was you know before I. even got into the business you know I. met Daniel D Lewis in a motel 8 in. Canoga New York State we a guy guy saw. us and he said you know do you mind if I. take your photograph so we went out into. the car park of this Motel a and this. guy took a photograph and about I don't.

know 7 or eight months. later a copy of it arrived at my house. in Australia and the guy had basically. just you know written Rossell Crow. Australia and sent it to me so I have a. copy of it and it's a funny thing you. know it's like uh I was there it was the. Boxing Hall of Fame I was there with. Angelo. Dundee and he was there with Barry McAn. yeah there you oh wow yeah that's. awesome.

it was it was just unexpected and you. know it was uh was a cool thing it. was such a nice fell too Daniel Lewis is. a real legend cuz he's one of those guys. just like disappears for a couple years. and make shoes yeah yeah just a real. artist quirky stuff and then then. suddenly comes back with a you know a. Vengeance and a fury and oh my God look. at that yeah yeah he's you know some of. us have to work for living M you know. he's probably got independent wealth.

just a different kind of human you know. any guy who can just walk away like that. and just decide to make shoes like. that's a that's the real deal oh it's. it's pretty special some like some. people try to pretend to be quirky you. know they try to pretend to be eccentric. and then there's there's the real thing. the actual eccentrics yeah the actual. eccentrics are so fascinating to me and. yeah for a guy like you know to meet a. guy like that he's he's one of those odd. ones but you are too it's like it's. always uh it's interesting to hear from.

a person that's that is a guy like you. that still feels weird to meet people. that are you know that you've admired. their work I always feel the same way. and I always feel like this gonna go. away and then I'm like NOP Russell Crow. oh wow I met Dennis Quay the other day. same thing he like oh it's Dennis Quid. cool it seems so. strange yeah I. um if I was to explain to. my you know childhood self my. 10-year-old self what was in front of me.

and the people that I would meet and the. things that I would experience and the. the contexts that you you know have come. along in my life it just my little brain. would have just exploded there's just no. way I could have possibly imagined that. this life was going to unfold in front. of me how could you I mean you'd have to. be so ambitious you'd have to have the. most crazy expectations possible yeah. and I you know my my first thing when I. was leaving school is that.

just don't have a boring life just don't. you know find some way of like being. able to express yourself you know um my. first job out of school my first. official job was working for an. insurance company commercial Union. Insurance inputting the details of. policies so not off to a great start man. but it's a funny thing though CU I I. learned you know a lot in the my short. time there in in the summer before I'd.

worked as a nightclub. DJ uh and I'd got fired cuz I couldn't. talk I was too nervous to talk on the. microphone wow so after like five or six. weeks they shuffled me off you know and. the guy really you know dug what I was. playing and how I got the Dance Floor. moving and everything but you know he. says you know I I need to sell toasted. sandwiches man you have to tell people. that the kitchen Happ you. know so you know I I left school uh um.

partway through the last year you know. uh in New Zealand they have a different. thing where you have a burer year after. normal high school finishes and in your. burer year if you achieve to a certain. degree you get money towards your. University degree you know but it was. clear to me in that last year my dad was. out of work and uh I wasn't going to be. able to go to university we couldn't. afford that sort of thing you know it. would only would have cost you know. three and a half or four grand or. something like that back in the day but. that was beyond uh our means as a family. um and I started working at this.

insurance company and I was the only. person in the building of a big. insurance company who had actually. passed matriculation into University you. know the and the general manager of the. company you know sat me down to tell me. that one day you know you're the only. person with you know the higher School. certificate what they call University. entrance in New Zealand in the building. you know and uh I just watched this. thing. unfold the coolest dude in the building.

was this salesman right and he had a. beard and he wore kind of cool. sunglasses and everything and I remember. the day he bought a new pair of shoes. and all the girls in the building oh. have you seen whatever his name is new. shoes and and they were all fluttering. over him and stuff like that and this. guy was the best salesman they had and. blah blah blah you know and in the time. that I was there I watched those new. shoes get age on them and start cracking. at the side and stuff like like that you.

know cuz he obviously used them a lot. did a lot of walking around talking to. people you know and just as I was. leaving I overheard a discussion where. he was planning on getting some new. shoes. again and I was like yeah I definitely. definitely don't want to don't want to. be that I don't want to be here I don't. want to be that guy you know I had a. similar situation when I was driving. limousines we were driving limos uh and. it was one of my jobs that I was doing. when I was trying to make it as a. standup comedian and you would work long. hours like if you tried to leave after 8. hours and yell at you like they wanted.

you to work 12 16 hours a day and. there's this one guy and he had a. Cadillac and uh the boss pulls us aside. he says look at this guy over here he's. got a Cadillac he makes $60,000 a year. and he doesn't have to bust his ass you. know he's sitting down all day in a nice. car and driving people around and this. could be you too I was like I got to get. the [ __ ] out of here it was my first. thought cuz I knew that guy was working. 16-hour days that's all he did all he. did was work and yeah he had a nice car. I'm sure he had a nice house.

I was like I got to get the [ __ ] out of. here yeah I got to get the [ __ ] out of. sometimes people like that are good for. you they're like the universe puts them. in front of you just so you can say this. is a trap yeah well here's your example. yes you know yeah so what do you what do. you want option A or option b did you. ever meet anyone who is an actor did you. know of anyone that had made a living. doing that listen people work out to. feel good and be healthy but also to. look good and if you're wondering why. you keep working out and you still have. a bit of a dad bod going on it could be.

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seriously you won't regret it um well. all through my life for sure because um. my parents at a certain point in time. were. Caterers uh on film sets oh so that's. how I got my first job oh wow my mom's. Godfather was a a TV producer who's. famous in the Australian industry not so. much anymore because the generations. passed um but he was was the tightest.

producer to work for the cheapest. bastard on the Block you know what I. mean and he was famous for that and uh I. mean I Still Know Jack Thompson today. you know I I did a scene with Jack. Thompson when I was six years old did my. first line of dialogue on camera wow. with him I made a movie with him playing. his son when I. was. 205 or 26 something like that um I. bought a property near where his.

property is in the bush because he was. kind of like a you know um a mentor you. know not you know I mean still talking. about an hour's driveway but in the bush. that's nothing you know right um and you. know I still know him today and he's in. his ' 80s now you know um so I had. people like that and I like when I was. 12 I went to a um so I did an acting job. when I was six and another one when I. was eight right and then I kind of. forgot about it for a while you know um.

and then I went on a school tour of a TV. studio and uh it was a TV show called. the Young doctors was being made in that. studio and there was a uh a bit part. actor a guy called Roy Harris Jones who. had been on u a couple of the shows that. my parents had done and I liked him a. lot and blah blah blah I hadn't seen him. for years and there he was on that show. and you know while the other kids are. there going on their tour. he goes are you here for an audition I.

said no I haven't I haven't done. anything like that for ages and he goes. come on let's go down the corridor and. meet the casting director so I split. away from the Tour all the other kids go. off and you know this is a camera this. is a control room they're doing all that. stuff and I go down and uh the casting. director had a minute so she sat me down. and talked to me and all that sort of. stuff and two weeks later I was back in. that building shooting a character on. the TV show wow so um and then kind of.

reignited that part of you know my. imagination but you know coming out of. school and everything I really thought. that I was simply going to you know I. was going to go into music that was my. thing you know if I was going to pursue. anything it was going to be music but. basically I would accept any job that. allowed me to be in the position of. entertaining people so that's why I went. into the you know the nightclub thing. with the uh with the being a DJ and my. first night the second time cuz you know.

obviously I'd failed the first time. around and and been fired because I. couldn't talk the second time around I'd. audition for this place but they hadn't. given me the job they gave it to. somebody else but they ended up firing. him after two nights cuz him and the guy. that ran the club didn't get on you know. so they called me up on a Sunday. afternoon and they said are you free. tonight can you come and DJ the club. we've got a bunch of uh 950s Records cuz. it's a 950s music only Club you know and. have you got a turntable you know and I. said I've got.

one so I went in that night with like an. orange plastic sharp turn table right. plugged it in through the headphone. socket and played these records but I. had one turntable so I couldn't switch. so I have to talk cuz every time a song. finishes I have to pick up this need the. arm pick up the record you know get the. next one put it down then put things so. it was uh it was just a crazy.

circumstance it was like it was created. to make sure that I absolutely broke. through whatever that fear was. immediately now that I had another. chance you know I ended up staying you. know. working pretty much fulltime for about. four years in that job but it it. expanded a whole bunch of other stuff. because um the guy started getting me to. perform on stage you know the guy that I. was working with once he started hearing. my songs and everything he said all. right okay on the third set the end of. the night you come on just do your songs.

though you're not allowed to do songs. people. know so i' like have to go out people. have been listening to these old classic. 950 songs all night and now there's some. young pimply bloke in front of them. singing [ __ ] you they're like what. are you doing but it was a real you know. baptism of fire you know he also had me. tour with him you know so we would be on. you know Thursday Friday Saturday in. ockland in the big city and then Sunday. through uh Wednesday we're you know in a.

truck and a car and everything and we're. touring we're going playing in these. other pubs and stuff and he uh he. fancied himself you see cuz it's all an. acronis thing you know his whole life. this guy that I was working for was. about the 950s wore blue SED shoes or. Winkle Pickers stove pipe trousers drape. coats you know he had a Cadillac. probably the only Cadillac in New. Zealand at the time you know and he had. this thing about like you know um Elvis. used to have a comedian opening for him. so somebody should go out and tell jokes.

before I come on right and so part of my. job was to walk. out and tell a joke that he had told me. to tell right I couldn't make up my own. material or right and these jokes were. [ __ ]. terrible they were. just trash and and trying to make that. thing work and one night I said to him. why you know why don't you let me just. go out and say something actually funny. or whatever he goes because I want.

people to be happy to see me right oh my. God so he set it up on purpose. absolutely he actually said to me at one. point in time never ever as a performer. never ever bring somebody on stage who's. better than. you and as I was a. guest for him on stage every night of. the week I was like oh right so you're. telling me I'm [ __ ] the only reason I've. got the job is because I'm [ __ ] cuz I. make you look better um but I you know. in my own sort of Performing life uh uh.

over time I changed that rule completely. I only ever bring somebody on stage. who's going to absolutely Shred the room. you know and over time you know with the. live performances you know we've had. guests like uh Elvis Costello wow sting. last year Michael bé got up with us uh. he did an Elvis song at the end of a a. show just at the Sydney Opera house. actually killed the room uh Rita AA got. up last year Rizza from the wuang clan. he got up uh he's a made of mine Bobby.

Diggs he we got up in a like a 350 400. um standing room only little Pub in a uh. Bal main an area of Sydney and then. suddenly P the r is on the stage it w. yeah so uh I learned a lot from him but. I didn't learn the things he was trying. to teach me that's a great philosophy to. have the best people going in front of. you um there we have a similar problem. with that in comedy like a lot of like. bigname Headliners they like to bring. terrible opening acts right so they're. like a hero and the rescue the show.

right right I I have the exact opposite. I have your approach I try to bring the. best people possible makes it more fun. it's more fun for me too but it's more. fun for the audience too you mean and. that's the whole the whole thing about. live performance is catering for the. audience yes the energy of the show yeah. what do you enjoy do you enjoy one thing. more or do you enjoy both things see. that's a very difficult question to. answer. without pages of nuance you know because. why enjoy.

Nuance well I I I'll give it a. go the bottom line is I love my job I. love working on Films every single day. that I'm walking towards the camera you. know I will have a plan I know what I'm. about to do you know and I chose to be. here right I work with lots and lots of. actors who just took the role because of. blah blah right they're not really there. because of the work but when you know. theob job and you know that you're.

talking about 4:00 a.m. starts you're. talking about you know minimum 12 hours. a day you know you're talking about. working in extreme conditions and stuff. like that temperature-wise or you know. somewhere kind of whack to get an. amazing shot you know um when you know. the job and you know how hard it is you. really got to have your reasons for. being there you know I mean so I'll read. scripts and I will generally do the one. that got under my skin you know um it.

can have a great pedigree it can be a. wonderful director it can be have. another great cast I but if I read it. and I don't get personally attached to. it I just don't do it and then I'll read. something else that everybody else is. like it's kind of dodgy or whatever but. there's like that scene it gets me the. that one I want to do that I want to be. the guy doing that dialogue you know. yeah and so you know I know exactly why. I'm at work so when it gets hard and it.

gets difficult it doesn't worry me. because I chose to be here you know so I. don't have that thing that that some. actors have of of like getting. disgruntled with it you know um sure you. know it's it's my employment it's how I. pay for everything it's you know uh and. all of those things but it's also my. like a deep deep passion you know and. stepping into the shoes of other people. and experiencing you know to a degree. things of somebody else's life or.

learning a new skill or whatever it. happens to be this is exciting for me. and I'm 60 years old and I still dig it. you mean I don't have any you know um. because that one simple thing I know why. I'm there yeah at 4:00 a.m. when they. when it's like a ball busting wake up. time because you had a big day the day. before I I know why I'm there so it's. it's sort of like my motivations and. stuff are you know very clear in that. respect you know now with. music it in it self as its own reward.

you know to play a song to sing a song. to be with a group of musicians and to. sort of gel on something together it's. just like thank you very much that's the. reward to then put it in front of a. crowd and then have that immediate. response you know obviously I worked. with a lot of actors over the years that. that come from a theater background and. even though I've done a lot of theater I. come from a rock and roll background I. come from out of clubs I come from you. know standing on that stage singing my. dweeby 16-year-old song songs you know. 16 you know authored by a 16 17y old and.

um to me that's my reset place you know. people will talk to like Anthony Hopkins. I was working with him he'd done a. series of films this is way back in the. '90s you know and I think he was off to. do a season of King Le and he was really. happy about it because for him that's a. reset you go back into that place where. you came out of and you get all the. benefits of doing the same performance. over and over again so you get to you. know squeeze all the the different.

character sort of parts that you can you. know and and enjoy it and that that's. his reset but for me walking out onto a. rock and roll stage guitar in hand where. I do not know exactly what's going to. happen that night because every audience. takes things in a different direction. you know um that's my reset you know. it's so like jump that's me jumping out. of a plane and I I love doing it you. know yeah they they have different. different buttons they push yeah I mean. it's it's performance but you know.

there's a visceral thing that happens. with in front of a live audience yeah. you know that just doesn't happen in the. sterile environment of a film set you. know um and you can have wonderful. creative relationships on a film set and. great collaborations and all that sort. of stuff the same that you can have in. music you know but there's that other. part of it there's that thing that sort. of I don't know it it gives you. something back man it fills you back up. again you know yeah well you're creating.

an experience for people and they're. enjoying it in the moment and you're all. sharing that moment I always feel bad. for people that have never done. something like that right never. performed in front of a live audience. and gave everybody a great time because. yeah like yeah I I actually understand. what you mean because it is uh it is. something. to um you have in in your DNA it's a. rare gift that a person gets to live. their life doing. a lot yeah you know I was I was thinking.

about what we might talk. about and um there's a story I like to. tell uh if you're into it it's quite a. long story though please. um so back in the 90s and the thing. about this story is it sort of like just. casually shows you how much of a circus. the film industry can be you know what I. mean and part of the uh attraction of it. when I was a young actor and you know um.

and you know later in my 20s moving to. Australia and doing theater and stuff. like that and then looking at film. people as sort of like a rare breed you. know um and then you get into it and you. realize you got to be pretty much crazy. to do this you know sort of like this. you know over time it's. gotten definitely safer more Insurance. conscious and all these things you know. but back in the day not so much you know. everything was about just getting the.

shot you know. so 92 was the first time I go to Los. Angeles um but I'd already made a bunch. of films in Australia and uh I'd been to. the can film festival so my first time. traveling outside of Australia and New. Zealand was. 1991 um so I was like 27 or something. like that you know um and then the year. after I I went to LA and uh got an agent. but I'd won bunch of Awards in Australia. and and my films had been around to.

different film festivals and stuff so. there was awareness of of what I was. doing in the in the industry so to think. so to speak and I got this phone call to. go and meet Bernardo bertuchi the. Italian director who won the Oscar for. The Last Emperor fantastic director you. know uh he also did Last Tango in Paris. and a bunch of other films um and I was. really excited I was like wow fantastic. get to bernardo's.

house. and he's watching a football game it's. Italy versus Brazil right he's got a. bunch of people over to watch the. football so I'm sort of just oh you know. I thought we were having a meeting I. didn't realize it was a football game on. and Italy didn't do very well they got. beaten by Brazil so I never had a. conversation with Bernardo because after. the. game he just went off to his room or. something to have a cry I'm not. sure but uh I met his wife. and uh her name was CLA pepo and she was.

a film director and you know she said. look you know I encourage Bernardo to. you know invite you to the house cuz you. know uh I know he wants to talk to you. about something but I want to talk to. you as well I've had this script and she. gave me the script and it was called. Miss Shumway waves a wand uh and I was. you know very much in the independent. film world at the time so uh that. sounded like a good title for an. independent film you know uh um and I. read it and it was pretty good it was.

based on this book and I liked the. character so I sort of you know. responded to it and um eventually ended. up doing it and Bridget Fonda was signed. on as the female lead so that was cool. you know she was um pretty happening at. the time uh I have a funny thing that. goes on with my brain if I'm like faced. with um I'm reading something and. there's a like a a difficult moment in. something that I'm liking right where my. brain just goes hm to be dealt with. later right I'll worry about that when I.

have to you me and there was this scene. where um a spider would crawl into the. mouth of the character I was playing I. was thinking. H I wonder how they're going to do that. CGI or something like that you know. right um anyway so off we go on this. adventure and we're shooting in uh. Guatemala and uh Mexico and it's a. extremely disorganized shoot you know we.

don't. have nothing's right you know at one. point time for 7 days we lived on. refried beans and rice in Guatemala. because they hadn't made any arrangement. with any kind of catering company or. anything you know so that and that was. the only thing that they could get. easily so it was breakfast lunch and. dinner refried beans and rice wow you. know and they end of that week one of. the guys on the film crew found this. like Cafe um that sold some form of. grilled meat and we all just like went.

there in the middle of this rainforest. and ate this meat and realized later on. it was more than likely we're eating the. monkeys that would running around the. trees around us cuz everybody got really. sick oh wow really sick anyway so we're. going through this this um uh experience. and we eventually get back to Los. Angeles and um we've got you know like a. couple of weeks shooting in LA and uh. we go out to a place called Lancaster I.

think it was there's an old Film Studio. out there and I see on the call sheet oh. it's the spider sing you know cool so as. I arrived at the the studio this guy. this producer comes out to meet me and. um like Russell everything good and I. said yeah of cool so we're shooting the. spider scene today and he goes yes it's. going to be um it's going to be great. um uh so everything you're fine I said. yeah cool but how we going to do this is. this going to be like a CGI thing or.

whatever oh no no the tarantula man is. here the [ __ ]. what the tarantula man's here and uh he. has shown um a variety of uh of. creatures to the director and she has. chosen the largest it's going to be a. great day anyway good luck with it and. off he TOS you know so I go inside and. they show me look here's a piece of. carpet you're going to be lying down. here the carpet matches a place where. you know hotel room with shot in and um.

so what's going to happen is you're. going to lie down here they're going to. place the tarantula on your chest the. tarantula Wrangler will give it a little. tickle and as long as you keep your. mouth open it will head directly for. your mouth they always look for places. to hide so you've just got to keep your. mouth up you'll tickle tickle tickle the. tarantula will run up your into your. mouth and. then the guy will pluck it out of your. mouth you know. like Okay cool so they turn on all these.

hot lights right I lie down on the. ground the tarantula gets put on my. chest now. tarantula bigger than my hand right it's. a serious spider now obviously I've. lived in Australia most of my life or. whatever I'm used to spiders you know. that was a large one right so on my. chest tickle tickle up it comes up it. comes into my mouth right and Bo the guy. plucks it out. done and I'm thinking to myself good.

little spider one take Wonder fantastic. did everything we need and I'm like cool. so that was good they go oh no no we're. just going to shoot it again we just. have to adjust the. lights second take third take now one of. the things that the producer had said to. me in the car park right looked me in. the eye and said to me it's not. dangerous to use the tarantula because. before doing something like this they. milk it of its venom so it's perfectly. safe. you know so I've taken that on board.

right so we take two take three take. four round about after the fifth take. now these lights in that room are very. very hot and my body is starting to. really warm up you know and we're taking. a long time between takes resetting. lights and all that you know but you. know after about the fifth take I get a. moment to talk to tarantul man you know. how you doing all that sort of stuff. pretty cool that you can milk the Venom. from the tarantula so they can do things. like this and he's just looks at me. really confused he said you you can milk.

the. W okay so what I thought was my only. safety net gone right so takes six takes. seven and I'm starting to really get hot. these are you know I wouldn't be. surprised if they were all CLE lights. you know cuz like didn't look like. anybody had used this studio for a long. long time you know and I'm heating up at. one point in time it was about take. seven or eight and the spider just stops. on my neck. and starts to sort of like spread its.

legs out and just sort of like grab at. me you know and it's sort of pulsing you. know and then I'm sort of like just. lying there go and then the tarantula. guy tickles it up and goes you know and. I'm kind of like well was that how long. does it have to sit in your mouth for oh. it's only just a couple of seconds as. soon as it started going into the mouth. the guy would just grab it out you know. because they can cut around that as long. as they see it going in then they can. cut around it to make it look like it's. disappeared you know so take.

eight that happens the tarantula stops. on the neck take nine we're done for the. day right so nine takes with a live. tarantula crawling into my mouth right. the next day I wake up and I've got a. rash all over me my my legs and my chest. and my arms you know so I call. production they call a doctor who's you. know knows about these sort of things he. comes over to see me goes ah. okay all right see.

um were you hot yesterday I I very hot. you under the lights and stuff that he. goes right right and the spider stopped. yeah right he goes okay see tarantulas. on their legs have these very fine hairs. so fine in fact that they can easily go. through a Poe in human skin So currently. what you have going on is your body is. full of of tarantula Venom um but not. enough to hurt you or even make you just.

you're just going to have this rash so. here's this ointment take this pill few. days from now you'll be right you know. and the reason that I wanted to tell you. this. story um and your listeners is because. and you can check this you can Google. away you can pretty sure in the history. of. Cinema I'm the only Academy. award-winning actor who's ever been. [ __ ] in the neck by a tarantula. was that what it was doing.

apparently it just decided that was a. good spot just decided that was I was. moist and juicy and it was going to have. its way with me oh yeah I know about. those. fibers those fibers are nasty they they. cause a real problem with people I was I. was hoping you weren't going to say you. were allergic to tarantulas no but I did. find out I was allergic to um one of the. things that they tried to fix it with um. it comes up quite a bit every time I've. like had major injuries and stuff.

there's I can't even remember the name. of it now but there's the the. go-to thing that they inject into you to. take away the initial pain cortisone. yeah cortisone I'm allergic to cortisone. oh yeah oh yeah odd isn't it yeah that. is odd that could be a real problem mhm. especially if you don't know yeah well. that's when it was round about then I. found. [Laughter]. out God damn damn man so is that like.

the most uncomfortable you've ever been. in a scene oh hell no really oh no I had. to go into the water on the Southwest. coast of. Iceland shirtless for Darren arosi. movie you know how cold that water is. man oh yeah you know 15 minutes you're. dead you know just walking in there and. I had to drop into a chest first right. you know Noah collapses into the water. or whatever it was um but it was weird I. hit that water and like I'm you know.

sprayed out like that but every muscle. in my body contracted was like I hovered. back out of the water you know it's like. I hit the water I came straight back out. back onto my feet I don't know how I did. it but it was so cold yeah U but you. know I mean temperature is one thing you. know uh and you you tend to in the film. business you know if if you're if the. script says that it's bright and sunny. and the you're in the Bahamas you're. probably going to end up shooting that.

somewhere far away from the Bahamas and. it's going to be freezing you know uh. it's always like that you know. um it's like a given that whatever it. says is going to be the opposite for it. you know the whatever the most. comfortable way of shooting that scene. might be there'll be something that. makes it uncomfortable but you know I. mean in terms of discomfort on Comfort. on film sets you know physical. discomfort um when you're doing fight. sequence or things like that you know. cuz they can sometimes take a long long.

time uh I I shredded both my hamstrings. while I was doing Noah um I flew back to. Australia to watch a football game. actually my football team that I bought. in 2006 had finally made a preliminary. final after many years of trying and I. wanted to be there to witness it we. ended up losing the game so it was a. waste of money but I flew back to. Australia and it was also coincided with. my youngest athletic day school right. and I was doing Noah I fit as a bull.

strong as an ox absolutely so I rock up. to the little Athletics day you know and. they asked me if I would step in and do. this you know little running race you. know thing so I said yeah yeah cool you. know so one of my son's friends was in. the race and he was coming last so I ran. up behind him and I was talking to him. about you about going fast or whatever. but I had to really Sprint to catch up. to him because I was a long way back and. I hadn't really noticed that all the. kids because I was up behind and got. really excited they jumped up and. they're all standing on the Finishing.

Line right and so I sort of you know I. got up behind and I let him like just. past me then so he could win they all go. crazy and stuff like that but then I. have to put the brakes on I put the. brakes on and my hamstrings. went I'm lying on the ground like like. vibrating and my little boy's there and. he's only like seven or something at the. time he like hi Dad that was fun you. know Dad you I couldn't talk I like I. was like unbelievable man and there was. a teacher who'd seen what happened and.

he went hamstrings and I said I think so. man and he had some tape so I just taped. my legs up under my shorts and then he. helped me stand up now I had to get on a. plane that night and go back to the film. set on Long Island and run to the ark. with 5,000 extras you know 50 times with. you know I mean I think you know we we. we had. a rain Tower setup that's the biggest in.

the history of Cinema for that you know. so I'm getting rained on with these. gigantic drops I got 5,000 extras around. actually no not 5,000 maybe about a. th000 extras around me and I've got no. hamstrings and the scene requires me to. run and because I've taken time off the. set everything I can't tell anybody that. I've injured myself I just have to get. on with it you know I mean um I didn't. want any insurance problems or anything. else you know so that was that was crazy. uh and that sequence went on for days so.

it was like and know literally man was. just getting like KT tape and just. taping them up Jesus Christ both. hamstrings blown having to run that's. insane yeah but at your skids your Co. you know your kids Athletics thing it. was like that's just such a cliche it's. like. ridiculous yeah but I think it was to do. with the fact that you know even though. I warmed up that morning and I went to. the gym and I went on a bike ride and. everything and I I I got there you know.

uh in good shape it was like must have. just been the hour sitting around. watching the races and everything just. cooled me down too much and then having. to stop so suddenly just to make sure I. didn't Barrel into those kids but yeah. that was that was definitely. uncomfortable what are the rain Towers. how do they do that well um basically. get big cranes and they hoist up um. grids that um are with hose pipe and the. pipe comes down the tower to a water.

tank and at a certain point you know. they uh turn on the pump and they. operate like sprinklers basically but if. you imagine um like a metal Grid in the. air where every joining point of pipes. is another sprinkler head and I think we. had two and a half football fields worth. of um you know where where we could. soak with at the push of a button all.

the rain starts and you know um holy. [ __ ] yeah cuz you see the I don't know. if you've ever seen the movie but. there's these big wide shots of all. these people running towards the ark and. there's rain falling so we had to that. whole area had to have rain so here it. is yeah right that's incredible that's. all done with Towers. yeah oh that's after I've already I. think I've already run in at that. point it was such an intense movie. because the story is so crazy crazy yeah. it's the it's the the time old story of.

the savior of the human race after God's. Wrath yeah there a lot of weight playing. a role like that yeah a little bit yeah. um what I thought was that the the. funniest thing with that stuff is when. that movie came out all of this sort of. push back press about how you know look. at this Darren aronowski this New York. Elite has made Noah into a story about.

the. environment it's always been a story. about the environment what are you. talking about this is about a flood M. literally but it was just so weird and. it was like article after article. pushing back as if he had done something. you know against Christianity or. whatever by by by connecting by. acknowledging that this is a story about. our environment and how we treat our. environment and blah blah blah you know.

uh yeah I you know I I I quite enjoy the. film but it's harsh it's it's a harsh. you know telling you know but he did. promise me Darren at the beginning of. that experience he said never at any. stage which I thought was funny because. he was riffing off a thing that Ridley. Scott did really Scott said I promise. you don't have to wear sandals and I. promise you you never have to lie on a. couch and have somebody feed feed your. grape so let's do a movie Roman movie so.

Darren's version was um that never at. any stage will I have you at the prow of. an ark uh flanked by a giraffe and a. lion the funny thing with Noah man is. most people think they know what's in. the Bible but in reality what most. people know is what they read in the. Golden Circle children's book of no mhm. you know they've never read the very few.

mentions that there are in in the Bible. or the other um religious writings which. cover his story because there is there. are other writings uh from you know. pre-biblical that you know never made it. into the the Bible you oh the Epic of. Gilgamesh it's very similar story right. okay there's the there seems to be some. sort of a. historical tale that is repeated through. many cultures of a great. I don't think there is an ancient. religion that doesn't have a flood story.

right yeah you know and we can see it we. can see and and and date it and. everything with how we can you know uh. view our our world now with the science. that's come along MH so it there's. there's no doubt that there was a flood. you know or has been many floods. probably you know well the the real. hardcore people think they've located. Noah's Arc they've located the remains. of it on Mount Ararat yeah yeah there's.

this bizarre feature in the rocks that. they believe is where it it apparently. it matches the Bible's U description of. the actual size of the. Ark yeah it's odd isn't it because. because if that's there we should be. then be able to have definitive proof. then it seems like somebody should have. gone there and figured that out yet. right I yeah it's probably been. discredited what you ever familiar at. all with the work of Randle Carlson you. know who he is um a little bit more. context Randall Carlson is an expert in.

uh asteroid impacts and um he kind of. specializes in this theory about the. younger dest impact the younger dest. impact is somewhere around they think. there's multiple times this happened. somewhere around. 11,800 years ago and again somewhere in. the 10,000s right that uh this is what. happened that caused the end of the Ice. Age this is what caused the the Great. flooding across North America and. doesn't that that date coincides with.

what would be the end of gockley Tey. right yes right yes coincides with that. and and it also there's a lot of. physical evidence of it with core. samples and this there used to be kind. of a fringe Theory but they started. doing core samples and they found a high. level of aridium which is very common in. space very rare on Earth during that. same time period but what's really. interesting about this guy is he got. this idea when he was overlooking this. enormous Canyon while he was on.

acid and it occurred to him that this is. because of not just a river that ran. through this for thousands and thousands. of years he felt like it was one immense. event that took place he just had this. bizarre vision of this immense event. that took place and now they're talking. about um those cataclysmic events not. being something that is a build and. through a period of time right it's. talking about it being immediate right.

yeah immediate the in a day this happens. exactly yeah his his work is absolutely. fascinating very controversial of course. because it goes kind of against the. conventional idea of what happened with. the ice age but he thinks the Ice Age. ended almost immediately that something. slammed into the ice caps which were at. that point in time between one and two. miles high in a gigantic chunk of North. America and that these asteroids slammed. in it and that's where these features. that you see where it looks like I don't.

know if you ever seen some of the. overhead features but it literally looks. like over massive amounts of space huge. water had RIS you know how water when it. goes over the sand it leaves these kind. of humps and ridges where the water had. washed over well there's uh physical. evidence of this all throughout like the. Pacific Northwest you can find these. things and and he thinks that's that's. what ended the Ice Age killed off 65% of. the megap in North America and that it. happened like that happened very quickly.

right and that's the Noah's Arc Story I. mean it's that is it that that is the. story which is why it's so F it's so. interesting that people want to dismiss. biblical stories you know they say oh. well was an oral tradition for a. thousand years before it was ever. written down like right right but what. was it based on right what the [ __ ]. happened something happened every. culture has a story of something like. that happening yeah very likely. something when I was doing the the. research building up to it I was quite. surprised cuz in my navity I actually.

you know had considered it was only like. a Christian thing and I didn't realize. it was touched on everywhere you know uh. until I was doing that. film yeah so did do you have was there. any hesitancy in taking on a religious. character like that with such. significance to it no that was the. exciting. bit yeah. um it was a very busy year uh it was.

2012 in that year I just I played. Superman's dad the year before and been. on I mean I was the fittest I'd ever. been I work with a guy called Mark. twight you ever heard of him no there. was this company for a while called Jim. Jones and they were considered to be the. hardest asses in the physical training. business you know uh it was very very. difficult to become a Jim Jones trainer. and stuff and Mark was the guy that. trained the. trainers and uh he got a sign to me oh.

my God uh the things that he put me. through but it was all great and we uh. remain strong friends now because we did. some [ __ ] together you know I mean you I. like that kind of mateship you know I. mean when you've you've been in the. trenches or whatever you know um and so. the following year I was I played uh the. mayor of New York in I think called. Broken City with Mark Walberg um. which is it's it's funny that's one of. those performances that uh people just.

haven't seen but I I quite rate that. that performance um and then I did Lay. Miz with uh you know that all that. beautiful cast and sort of spent three. or four months on that and then straight. into Noah um so I was I was exhausted. before I started you know i' had three. really big jobs in a row and then to. drop into to that which was uh there was. a lot of uh physical stuff on that movie.

and and Darren shoots a lot so those big. wide shots you're still doing the same. action as you're doing when you're. closeing so you're sort of working you. know pretty hard um but I think if if. anything you know I was really excited. by the fact of like of being able to. delve into that I would have preferred. what I'm getting at is a little more. time you know I mean um cuz it's the the. quiet contemplation that really fills. you up for the thing that you're about.

to do and when you're coming straight. off one film set pretty much onto. another I think I had a gap of about two. or three weeks it's not quite enough you. know what would you like what would you. do if you if you had all the time that. you wanted go and talk to people you. know go and talk to people who've got a. perspective um I would have probably. wanted to spend a little bit more time. with some uh Jewish Scholars cuz there's. a lot of you know writings adjunct to. the tah about Noah um and get to the.

bottom of that but um I really didn't. have the time so I just had to sort of. plow into it with what what I had which. is um you know uh beautiful two volume. um Old Testament and and New Testament. that uh Darren got me so that was the. beginning of of the research but you. know there's not really much else you. can do cuz you can't go and look up you. know old photos or anything right you. know right so you're pretty much. stepping into that world so trying to.

understand Darren's perspective on it. and what he was trying to show that you. know they had been a big civilization. already so there was a civilization. prior to Noah so you're already talking. about you know a postapocalyptic world. that they're living in and another. apocalypse is coming you know and it's. all based on um you know human behavior. and what have you there's a sequence in. the film that some people Miss where um. like no is looking into these people who. are all um you know sort of the ones.

who've allowed themselves to give into. their base desires or what have you and. within the group of people he sees a man. who looks like a rat you know Goring. away a body of something possibly. another human and it's him so he sees. himself on the other side of that so. Darren had a lot of cool things going in. the movie A lot of great. ideas um and you know outside of America.

was a huge hit was massive hit in places. like Russia or Brazil or whatever um but. I don't think it's really considered to. be a hit because it didn't hit the box. office in the United States but uh I. don't know it's three or 400 million or. something bizarre that there's. controversy attached to it. being that it is about the climate it's. bizarre that that's become a a weird. political point and that it's it's so. ideologically connected that people. either oppose it or go with it with no.

information other than the fact that my. team believes this yeah yeah it's a bit. odd the the [ __ ] environment the very. thing we live in that that that's a. political angle is so strange is so. strange because it's you know there. there's a whole lot of different things. that I I think uh not necessarily on the. money but the bottom line that the. burning of fossil fuels is having an. effect on our air quality and you know. how we uh receive Sunshine Etc that's.

irrefutable fact yeah you know you you. can't sort of make up your own opinion. on that because it there's just too much. stuff to prove that that's going on and. it has been going on in our entire lives. and it's just been getting worse the. same things were being talked about in. the early 7s when I was in primary. school that are now actually physically. happening you know um but it's you know. some people just want to see it as you. know yet another game or whatever and.

it's really much more important than. that it's strange because it also the. problem with having this ideology. attached to it is it stops the real. research to to actually be able to. objectively understand what has the most. effect like what is what is the thing. that's driving us the most and what is. the thing that we can do to mitigate. that yeah see I think things like you. know uh the cows farting I think that's. misinformation that just gets thrown out. there so to to sort of spread the blame.

or whatever um because you know we are. told over and over again that there were. so many more animals on this planet yeah. at a certain point okay so if we've. killed off you know 80% or whatever of. the animals that existed what about. their. farts yeah how was a dinosaur fart. compared to a cal fart you know the. thing is what we're doing is very. unnatural right so we're we're serving. them grain and we're keeping them in.

pens and then they're all the pig [ __ ]. and the all that stuff gets into the. water it's very different than a. regenerative Farm an actual real farm. where cows are grazing and then their. manure fertilizes the land and it. actually sequesters carbon a real. regenerative Farm is carbon neutral yeah. that's not the issue I run 220 uh Angus. on my place in the bush. and you know over. time um I sort of learned that all of.

those um factory farming processes are. just the absolute wrong thing to do you. know I mean when I first had Land and. Cattle I used to love getting up in the. dawn you know in the darkness Cy hat on. stock Whip and getting out and you know. um hurting them and all that sort of. stuff and then over time started to. realize. that that's not good for them you know.

me that sort of stuff's not good for. them so we developed this system of my. place where we have a single laneway and. all of the other. paddocks go on where the cattle will be. go onto that laneway so and the padic. can be you know 100 acres or whatever. you know but uh you can Master One Man. soft voice handful of grain just open. the gate you call out a couple of times. they come towards you you can get every. cow in that Lan way then you get up.

behind them walk behind them and you. walk them straight to the yards and. we've taken all the fun out of it but. it's just a lot more uh it's you know. safer easier sensible and we don't use. you know um hose pipes we don't use. stock whips anymore we don't muster on. on ATVs you know uh it's either on foot. or horseback and uh uh we still use. working dogs but um the cows don't get. upset by the working dogs they don't get. freaked out by them the same way as they.

get freaked out by an engine roaring up. behind them you know so and the reason. for that kind of pastoral care is. because at the end of the day 100% true. the steak tastes better if you don't. Adrenalize the cattle if you don't abuse. them right you know it's just better you. know it's like more tasteful it doesn't. have you know really add generalized. meat gets a very gamey quality you know.

and and you know the steak that we serve. on on the farm because you know I only. do all this I didn't operate it as a. business I started to operate it as. business for a while there but kind of. found out that everybody in The Butchery. game it's similar to working with people. that are that sell used cars and they're. only looking for the story they're not. really don't really care about the. animal and you know I do I was like you. know uh and I was you laughed at for. many years in the valley that I live in. because of the way I care for the cattle.

but I can't do it any other way it's got. to be it's got to be for you know. they've got to have a great life it. makes sense makes it's smarter it's less. Karma it's a better situation for them. yeah and they they just feel healthier. and Stu I I went fully organic at one. point right took us like five or seven. years to get the. certification but then I would walk. amongst the cattle. and because we couldn't you know douse. them because they're organic cattle now.

you know things like you know Buffalo. fly and other little things were just. all over them. and I thought man that's that can't be. good either you know it's like having a. kid you know and never giving the kid. Panadol if it gets a fever you know by. the time that kid's 14 it hasn't you. know it hasn't overcome it and it's not. the biggest best strong it's this weedy. little bloke in the corner you know. spent most of his life sick because he. never got the medicine to make it easier.

for his body to recover you know and. that kind of was happening in the cows. they they lost a lot of weight and they. just looked in distress so I keep. my um pastures. organic but I do topical treatments for. the cattle so they don't have to deal. with uh ticks and buffalo fly and things. like that where my place is it's it's um. still considered Coastal so we get all. of the bitey things that uh can affect. them negatively so you know and now I.

have that that balance I can't you know. sell the mid is organic meat but um. they're hand raised organic pasture and. as I say they don't get adrenalized. through their life so when we do call. them the meat is a profound. experience yeah do you sell it online. how does someone get it no no you I I. don't sell it you don't sell it at all. give well occasionally there's one b. near me that I trust he's really into. what he does and he will ask if he can.

have a couple of Beast and I'll let him. have it um we do sell to some neighbors. that um we know are you know um uh. needing a little bit of assistance I. don't want to sort of put it in any. other terms but uh you know we sell it. to them but we sell it to them for less. than it costs to produce so um and way. less than they would be spend ending if. they went to the supermarket you know. but basically um I have the cows to feed.

my family so um my kids are very snobby. about. steak CU they've grown up with you know. the best the best you know the best you. can well anyway the the the most humane. way to produce it yeah for sure how did. you get started doing this like what was. it seems like you're a very busy person. to be starting a yeah regenerative Farm. well. it comes from when I I was getting a. little bit of success I could see things.

coming along and I sort of had a choice. I only had enough. money to either buy a small apartment in. the city right or some land and my mom. and dad weren't in a great place and I. hadn't really spent a lot of time with. them in the previous decade because I'd. been out trying to establish who I was. you know and I didn't really go home. very much and. um so what I did is I decided instead of. buying an apartment in the city I'd buy. 100 acres in the bush and my mom and dad.

could go and live there and. basically they could start fresh and. have a sort of a you know a new. experience but I bought 100 acres. initially but I I think I got like 1,700. Acres or something now um but once I had. the land then I started feeling like. well you got to do something with it you. know it can't just be 100 acres of a. garden you know right um and and there's. also that thing too of like you know. you're walking into Farmland you want to.

see a horse you want to see a cow you. know you want to have something so um. over time I started I experimented by um. holding some cattle for a friend you. know um and I got used to uh what you. had to do and stuff like that and they. they were big um Longhorn beasts and. they were quite difficult to deal with. so that made me decide to go with Angus. uh but you know here's another story you. know I had 20 little cares down in the. yards that were being picked up the next. day right and at this stage um I was.

living in a caravan um cuz I hadn't. started building or anything on the the. property and so I go to bed and at about. 2:00 in the morning I'm woking up cuz. it's raining. right and I'm trying to get back to. sleep but all I can think of is these 20. little cares down in the yards and how. the floor of the Yards will turn into. mock and these guys have being picked up. the next day and they all spend the. whole night slipping over and sort of.

get covering each other with [ __ ] and. they'll be in great distress and blah. blah. blah so about 2:30 Fu got up got dressed. went down to the yards trying to figure. out how to get them out of the rain I. had a shed down there but it was about. 30 m away from the edge of the Yards and. you know I looked around in the shed and. I had enough bits and pieces to make a. fence for one side right so I can make. one side of this alley so then it's just.

me on the other side so I got these big. long pieces of wood and then what I had. to do is I had to get them running. towards me then I had to redirect them. along that fence line so they would go. inside the shed now while this is. happening it's pissing down rain. absolutely like tropical rain you know. and it took me. about I don't know 40 minutes something. like that so it's it's deep in the. middle of the night now to fix the fence. and then I got them running and they're. coming towards me and I could see one.

was about to [ __ ] away so I had to sort. of dance along with my but it was. amazing you know I stopped that one. little bloke and he rejoined the the. rest of them and then they just went. like clockwork just so smooth straight. into the shed right so then in the. shed laid out some hay and stuff and I. left a little light. on yeah you tell stories like that to. farmers and they think you're an. absolute idiot what are you doing mate. you had to learn how to do it some way.

but I think that's it's but it's just. for me the next day when the truck came. to pick them up they were all happy and. healthy and you know not covered in. brown [ __ ] you know so yeah but so I'm. not really a farmer so but I got land. you kind of are though I mean that. sounds like at least a practicing farmer. I mean you actually did it yeah well we. still do and we we still you know turn. the meat out but you know when I looked. into it in terms of a business you have.

to really have about 25,000 ahead to. make it a business you know that covers. you for you know when the sometimes the. price of meat goes down or or whatever. or the the costs around culling go up um. and I just didn't want to do it that way. didn't want to have to be responsible in. my heart for 25,000 living creatures. when I couldn't be absolutely certain. they all being treated well right so and. I think that's one of the big mist. mistakes that we've made going into this. thing of you know of um farms getting.

bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. because at the end of the day the thing. that drops off is the juty of care right. and it's also the humanity of it all. just gets so distorted when you have. these fact factory farming operations. that you you're not even allowed we have. AG gag laws in America say you're not. even allowed to film there because the. conditions are sometimes so horrific. that it damages the business we give. grain to our cattle because there is you. know um a nice texture and stuff that. comes to the meat um Beyond being.

grass-fed but we never put them into a. feeding pen situation and I think that. that's also part of the best part of the. balance because you know they're still. walking around on their home range you. know this is where they're used to being. and then here's a pile of grain over. here so they supplement their grass with. the grain as opposed to just being fed. grain purely to put on size so we what. we turn off man and I think it's partly. do with the fact that they stay active. and everything we we get a natural 7 to.

10% fat ratio you know which is the. bottom end of the scale you know um but. therefore to me you're getting more. protein and therefore what we're giving. you when we give you a steak is like an. absolute protein pill it's a it's a hit. you know it's better for you too. physically I think so it is it's been. proven that the nutritional balance of. grass-fed animals is just much better. right they're just they're not supposed. to live entirely on grain just like. humans are not supposed I think again.

that balance thing of like their life on. on grass and then just before you co. them you give them a little bit of grain. it it finishes them off you know and. gets them sort of you know ready to be. consumed um but you still have the same. benefits of of the grassfed because you. never stopped that right you know and. you've and but you have the thing of. them being fit cuz you've never made. them like stand still in a pen right. it's got to be a cool feeling too to. consume only the animals at your place.

that you've actually raised like you. know every step of the way we used to. when we occasionally we have a a fresh. guest that's never been there before and. uh we'll do things like oh you're going. to love Buttercup she was. such just an Australian sense of humor. we just you know put somebody off their. meal just as they're about to eat yeah. yeah but I did used to name them but I. stopped naming them because that was an. extra level of pain yeah yeah and plus.

you know when you got 20 they can all. have a name but when you're at 220 it's. a bit difficult well it's yeah you don't. want to be naming something you're going. to eat it's just too weird it's weird. enough for me people are so disconnected. from where their food comes from already. just the concept of killing it. themselves seems aor but the concept of. living without meat seems terrible too. just we're completely disconnected from. the act of how it gets to the we we just. go and see it wrapped up nicely at the. butcher shop and we pick it up and oh 16.

ounces thank you bye and that's your. entire involvement in the death of a. living creature yeah which I definitely. think people need to you know have an. awareness of it you know yeah um because. you know we're sharing the planet you. know and they're helping us survive so. the the very least a little due respect. is is in order yeah and that's what we. don't get from Factory farming we get. the opposite we get the worst elements. of human nature that kind.

of put into this very bizarre food. supply system that we have where you. know at every corner in almost every. city there's a place where you can get a. quick piece of meat you know quick. cooked piece of meat of Unknown Origin. who knows how they raised it who knows. where they got it and we just trust in. the fact that it's still consumable and. it's just bizarre that you can get a. cheeseburger for $139 you know like how. much work was in involved in this. absolutely man yeah and that you know. that's what I mean is like I know the. dollar it cost me to produce the stake.

at that level and there's just no way on. the normal chain of how the business. works that it's acceptable to have spent. that much to produce it right you know. do you cook yourself oh yeah yeah my mom. was a caterer oh right so U I love. cooking uh absolutely um how do you. prepare a steak um with Farm steak. uh I use black pepper and I use um Low's.

garlic salt oh there's lots of garlic. salts. around but that one's good and it used. to be available when I was a kid and. they stopped selling it in Australia for. years so we'd have to you know every a. friend was coming over we' say oh grab. some garlic salt but you can buy it. again there now but yeah that's that's. it's really simple just salt and pepper. you know uh I don't do anything what. kind of extreme I open flame and I make. it as hot as possible and I actually put.

oil. onto uh the flame to make it go crazy. for a while cuz I like to have color on. the steak you I like to be a little. someone teach you this method is just. something that you devised over time. over time yeah I did for a while there I. was a uh a short order cook and I cooked. steaks that's what I did um every Monday. night this is like when I was working in. clubs and my name was in the paper every. week and my photograph was in the paper. and stuff but my mother said you still.

have to make a contribution to the. family so if you're in town on a Monday. night you have to cook in the restaurant. so I'd do like cook 150 steaks on a. Monday night if I was in town um and you. know um just o over time I I cook it to. my my own taste obviously you know so. you use charcoal hardwood what do you. use uh I use gas most of the time. um you throw oil over the gas yeah yeah. what kind of oil olive.

oil cuz I want I just want that absolute. heat so it Sears the steak you know. particularly when you first put it on. the grill so it hits the grill and it's. actually surrounded in flame you know. that's your method yeah well that's you. know that that only lasts for a few. seconds but that's going to give you the. color that you want because when I put. it down on the grill I want the color on. that side cuz generally I'm only going. to turn it once so I want yeah I want. that first hit to um sear that outside.

of steak and that's the side that gets. presented to the person that's going to. are you cooking a thin steak a thick. steak how doesn't matter but um normally. uh we only cook you know sort of. restaurant Cuts so um our I feel it I. think is your tender line M. um uh our pouse is your New York cut um. well P we have Porter House too it's. like one yeah one side of the Porter. House is the uh tenderloin one side of.

the pter where the was the F Minon and. the other side is see that's a scotch. filet oh okay interesting funny we had. uh different names for the same bits of. meat but uh yeah so New York strip is uh. Porter housee where I come. from really a Porter House on this side. of the pond always has bone in it right. pretty much yeah you guys don't no no. that's a tea what's your ribe eye uh our.

what you call ribeye I believe is. tenderloin right no so that's that's our. eye fill it it's a rib steak okay yeah. the tender it's like fet Manan and then. there's beef tenderloin it's like this. stuff along the back and underneath and. then the rib meat like right where the. rib hits that portion or the very fatty. rib steak that's the rib eye you know or. a tomahawk you get it with the rib bone. on it it's a tomahawk.

right yeah well our sort of T-Bone is. half um New York steak and half I fill. it okay right yeah yeah we have that too. right yeah so. um yeah I'm not 100% sure of over the. top of all the the different names for. meet in America but um yeah they tend to. be quite thick cuts you know uh I don't. really we don't really do any of our. steak in a thin cut the first time I.

ever ate a steak in Australia I was this. was like a long time ago but before. before I really understood the. difference between grass-fed meat and. grain-fed meat I was like this is. different it tastes weird tasted weird. it say like like richer like you at the. time I don't even think I liked it at. the time I was expecting like an. American style steak and I got it this. Rich red grass-fed steak I was like wow. a weird steak doesn't take like tastes. like American meat right but when was. the first time you went to Australia it.

was for a UFC was quite a few years ago. at least a decade. ago right yeah what do you think of this. one Championship thing it's great yeah. yeah look I like all of these. organizations I'm I'm happy that there's. more options for Fighters but one. Championship is huge I started watching. a docko about that guy the other day I. didn't finish it though chart tree I. like the idea that he's creating Heroes. that that's a line he said that's pretty. cool I got a project that we're going to. do at the end of this year uh it's. called the beast in me and it's about.

that sort of mixed martial arts fighting. really. um and he's come forward uh as a. potential sort of partner and what have. you and and he would hooking up with him. will give the film great production. values because we'll be able to shoot at. one of his fights and stuff so you'll. have a you know a crowd of 15,000 or. whatever you know that you haven't paid. for which is good for a film um and I I.

did. a a rewrite on the on the script last. year. and. um it's really full of heart now you. know so many times when people. approach Fighters particularly in that. sort of you know mixed martial arts or. whatever that that everybody's insane. you I mean and and that's just not. really the truth you know I mean there. some yeah there certainly are insane.

people but in their hearts you know they. have their own you know reasons for. doing things and and their their own. morality and so they would never think. of themselves insane because they're on. a journey they're on a Pursuit you know. right and that's why I think the script. now has a a real Beating Heart so I. think it's going to be a good project. Daniel mcferson young Australian actor. he's going to be the lead in that well. there's this is a good time for a real. good M ma film you know there's been. some real good boxing films uh the one. that you did yeah it's one of my.

favorite experiences actually Cinderella. Man yeah and the story of bradock that's. an amazing story great story incredible. story yeah we had met like funny. resistance here with the release that. the people couldn't get their heads. around the fact that that movie called. Cinderella Man was about a. boxer [ __ ] America it was just it was. like. really funny it's that hard to get yeah. was classic thing Cinderella story is a.

thing that is supposed to be a chick. right but it's used for men in sports. all the time well it that's it was it. was some famous American writer Damon. runan or whatever who coined the phrase. you know he wrote that you know the. story of James J James J bradock is a. Cinderella Story yeah that's where he. got the the nickname you know but I I. just you know sometimes you're playing. characters that you don't really. rate as a person or whatever or you know. sometimes you're playing very negative. characters you know earlier this year I.

did um Newberg where I played Herman. guring and so that's going to be coming. out soon um looking forward to people. seeing that but bradock was a a such an. experience man because everything that I. read about him the stories I heard about. him I just liked him more and more you. know which can be a bit of a dangerous. thing as a an actor try not to fall in. love with the character I you know what. I say is I'm in love with the job you.

know so my job is to show you who that. person is whether it's positive or. negative you know um uh because it's. kind of weird you know you can't fall in. love with Hitler you know I mean if. you're playing that role you know what I. mean so it's sort of like um so that's. how I sort of keep objectivity but you. know I met Brad's family and stuff like. that and they kept telling me stories. that just made him made me like him more. more you know so it was uh yeah it was. an honor to be able to play that that.

role really and and bring him back to a. Consciousness cuz people had forgotten. about him yeah what was the physical. training like it was Angelo man it was. Angela okay kid Angela dunde yeah. there's one roll one row around here and. that is you listen to me that's how we. do it right I talk and you listen and. then I'm going to teach you to open. anybody up like a can of tomatoes that's. what we're going to do kid open them up. like a can of tomatoes let's go wow he. was a great guy man I mean what an.

incredible privilege to be given that. beautiful man in my life you know with. all his experience and his stories and. you know and his attitude to things man. he was he was like you know I mean. occasionally if you asked about somebody. that he had a negative experience with. you know he would sort of like see who's. around or whatever and he would just. tell you the pure truth but for the most. part anybody you asked him about he was.

like ah what a great guy you know and I. I asked him about it one day and he was. like Life's too short for the negatives. man it's too short to have grudges or. you know opinions you know negative. stuff like just let all that go you know. I mean so but you know then in reality. he would have an opinion but for his the. public part of that was to just like be. positive you know and he'd work with so. many fighters and so many different um. Pursuits and and under different.

pressures and what have you Ali and. Sugar Ray blah blah blah you know 15. world champions he he coached you know. wow that's incredible and the beautiful. thing happens you can see it in. Cinderella Man there's a moment towards. the end of the movie right where bradock. won he's won the World Championship and. I'm standing in the ring and I'm walking. towards my corner right and this little. Bal man walk walks towards me right and. this just this shot I start laughing and. I bend forward and I kiss him on his.

head. right cuz he was walking towards me in. the ring and he was going number 16 baby. number. 16 and that's what he called me for the. rest of his life whenever I saw him he. would introduce me to people as this is. my friend Russell number 16 wow cool man. right but you know I mean a normal day. training for that film you wake up in. the morning uh you go for a. walk uh you know probably about 5Ks.

right then we'd go and do. yoga um then we'd go and do the first. boxing session which would take us uh to. lunch we have a little bit of lunch then. we do the second boxing session after. the second boxing session we'd do. weights then you'd have about 90 minutes. off then we'd have dinner and then you. go for a walk and then the next day it. would start all over again you know it. was full on whose idea was the. yoga his really yeah yeah that was the.

thing about Angelo he had all the old. stuff but he was aware of all the new. stuff as well you know that thing the. oldest stuff you know just sitting you. know well I mean but for boxing we did. yoga but you know he he only thought of. it as stretching you know mean but it. was it was you know yoga and was like he. set the the schedule and Pace on. everything for that film wow yeah had. him had him my working life for 6 months. man that's incredible it's just gold did. you think about having a.

fight oh we had a few real ones yeah. like in the gym There's real ones in the. movie mate really yeah you get to a. certain. point 5 and a half thousand 6,000. choreograph moves right you get to a. certain point how do you accelerate this. how do you change the Rhythm you know so. um. the fight with uh. Troy which I think is.

the the last fight before the. championship that's 100% the two of us. in the ring beating the piss out of each. other really yeah Jamie see if we can. find that and he's would be the scene. what would be the scene we look for i'. would be right towards the end of the. film and it and it's just sort of like. little Sharp Cuts no not um that's Mark. some of those scenes no not that one. that's the the end fight um so just. prior to this there's um he goes through. a series of.

fights um currently forgetting the man's. name his first name is true I can't. remember his surname uh he went on to. become a light heavyweight champion of. Canada and couple of these guys are. Olympians and stuff that were in the um. fight but the hardest hit I've ever. received is in that fight with Troy cuz. he was a southpaw and we both went in. the same direction we clashed head head. [ __ ] me and then we just had to keep. going with the scene right but I'm like.

literally seeing stars like it was like. somebody had like put a piece of metal. through my temple you know we just went. you know we both moved to get out of the. way and we just smacked heads yeah this. fight that's all real there's no. choreography wow and he was good man he. was fast and he was like on me all the. time D you were fit as [ __ ] back there. little bit you I was 40 I was 40 at the. time so I weighed the same in the.

opening. sequence of Cinderella Man I weighed the. same as when I left High School. wow was a great movie man you did it. justice well that's the thing when. you're playing somebody that's real you. know you've got to respect them man. you've got to you know you got to put. that effort. in to. you know to honor them yes you know yeah. especially someone as legendary as.

bradic yeah and and the thing is you. know you have to dial into his body you. know his body language you know he used. to do this little foot flick thing right. to get himself around you know um where. he always like he would move his front. foot first he wouldn't cross his feet. over at all you know so he's just sort. of crabbing up on somebody and then and. going back you know learning that. getting that drilled into my head. because it felt so unnatural you know um. but it's it's it's there and it you know.

after a while you you you get it I can. you can move quite fast here you know. but that natural instinct is to sort of. cross your feet over but that leads to. all sorts of problems yeah yeah it was. it was a very interesting experience. doing that movie and Ron Howard as the. Director you know I'd worked with him. the year before on a beautiful mind and. he's a very exacting guy and he likes to. do things over and over again you know. so when we F first started that shoot I.

I don't know if you know this but I uh. subluxated my left shoulder I was um. doing a little fight with a guy called. Wayne Gordon another Canadian Olympian. and he just caught me on the point of my. elbow and just put my shoulder out you. know but because I was so fit at the. time and so strong it went out and back. in but it came back in with such force. that it broke. the the bone oh so I had to go and have. an operation.

um tore the labrum tissue and and broke. the bone so I had an op and the the. normal recovery is like three and a half. months or something right but I was. making a movie I couldn't do that so um. I you know and they were going to cancel. the film they're going to just shut it. down and all that and I was like no no. no no I've waited for years to do this. film and I'm. already done the training so we've got. to finish this just give me you know x.

amount of weeks and you're allergic to. cortisone yeah which was you know really. problematic on that situation you know. but uh 20 days on the 24th day 21st day. of rehab I stepped in the ring and did. 10 three minute. rounds the 21st day after the operation. so um but that has led to ongoing. problems which the doctor did say at the. time if you try and cut they're short. you're the arthritis you're going to. experience when you get older is going. to be mind numbing and he's absolutely.

right um have you ever gotten stem cells. into it no I've been starting to talk. I've got a friend in uh England who's. actually from how long are you in town. for after this uh I leave tomorrow. morning what time tomorrow morning uh. about 10 or 11 or something I might be. able to get you treated before then. really there's a stem cell Clinic I work. with in town ways to well incredible. this is the thing I think it's the. family of the guy I'm talking about. really yeah yeah he's I met him here I. don't know if you know this man but way. back in the day Austin was my place.

really yeah yeah yeah we we came here in. 2201 August 14 or 15 is 30 fo of grun. day as uh um Governor Rick Perry at the. time he declared that because we brought. so many tourist dollars into town you. know in the middle of August you know. bringing you know 2,000 plus people who. have flown in got a motel and they're. going to go to Rock and Roll Show over. at stubs you know um yeah that was the. thing and it's funny cuz when we haven't.

sold out this time we're here we we play. uh uh tonight but we haven't uh where. are you at tonight stubs I love stubs. yeah that's we did shows there Dave. Chappelle and I during the pandemic okay. yeah when everything was shut down we we. tested the entire crowd and did outside. shows it was awesome oh cool yeah I went. there first just to have some barbecue. with and had a a conversation with um. um Rodriguez the director you know who. who lived here and uh then you know a.

year and a bit later I'm walking on that. stage it was unbelievable we I was here. to record at Willie Nelson's place and. we said why don't we do on Fridays we'll. just do little shows in town right cool. so we booked to play at stubs because a. friend of a friend you Charles atal and. the boys that set stubs up and you know. um and while you know I was in England. working on another theme before coming. here they just said hey uh these tickets.

are going crazy so can we go outside so. we came here I think we were here. recording for a month and every Friday. night we'd go and do a full uh house. outside at uh at stubs wow it's cool and. then we came back the year after in 2001. and raised some money for uh uh like an. abused uh girl's shelter You Know M um. but I haven't been here since 2001 man. wow lots changed Place exploded it's.

exploded there was 250,000 people back. then yeah you know it's nearly a million. now it's a million in the city and. another million in the surrounding areas. but coming in from the airport I was. like I I can't even I don't know where I. am you know yeah that your viewpoint on. landmarks and everything is it's just. completely changed and you know before. arriving just yesterday you know I had. an absolute picture in my mind of what I. was about to experience right cuz I came. here so often in a 2 or threee period.

that you know I would tell you that I. know the city like the back of my hands. you know I mean driving in from the. airport I was like it's just gone right. it's not the place that I that I know. well it's changed a lot in the four. years that I've been here right it's. exploded yeah look at all the cranes. downtown it's crazy it's still going. yeah it's bizarre I think that's a. mistake I think they're kind of [ __ ] I. think they're kind of overestimated. because uh the real estate market has. cooled down considerably yeah because. whoever was going to move here moved. here right you know and then it's like.

everyone was expecting that the boom. would keep going but it hasn't keep. going it hasn't kept going at all it's. it's gotten to a a million's good size. for a city it's about perfect yeah you. can get everything you you you need and. you get it at the speed that you want it. at and there's competition in in all. areas so you know um but you can still. get around as long as your transport. system is good can still get around it. yeah the traffic here is so easy people. complain about I'm like you guys are. adorable this traffic is cute this is.

cute traffic living 25 plus years in La. I know what real traffic is like and. even La I moved there in '94 it was. nothing like it is now now it's just ins. now it could be 2 o' in the morning and. you're in bumper to bumper traffic for. an hour and a half it's bananas how many. but I mean look at New York man I mean I. shooting shooting beautiful mine once we. had a late night 2:30 3:00 in the. morning I mean tunnel coming back from. Jersey and we just stop mobbed we're. there for an hour yeah in the tunnel.

yeah what is what's going on that freaks. me out by the way something about that. [ __ ] River being right above your. head yeah like I know they know how to. fix it I know they knew how to build it. it's been there forever I know but. there's going to be that day right there. going to be one day you've seen enough. movies to know I've seen enough movies. it's going to Spring a [ __ ] leak and. and we're all done in the worst way. possible [ __ ] I don't like it get me out. of here yeah the moment I'm in the. tunnel I'm holding my breath I'm like. get me the [ __ ] out of here okay we're. on the other side I don't like it I'd.

rather be in a helicopter be in that. [ __ ] tunnel well it's funny that you. should bring that up because on that. shoot after that night I said if I'm if. we're going over there all the time. right I'm I'm living right next to the. Liberty helipad in Chelsea right just. 10-minute trip get me out of the. freaking car because that movie was so. it was a lot to carry around you know. the freaking mindset I had to be in all. the time for that and so they ended up. agreeing so I would like literally walk.

to the helicopter pad jump in a. helicopter 10 minutes Dro me off in in. New Jersey and that's pretty nice it it. was pretty cool that was a fantastic. movie really was beautiful mind was one. of my favorite movies cool just just the. mind of a person like that like playing. a guy that's so troubled and Brilliant I. mean how difficult is that to train for. like how do you how do you get yourself. into that mindset the relief when that. movie was over was huge you know cuz you.

do tie yourself in knots a little bit. when you're playing a character like. that you know and that's part of the job. and you just go with that flow you know. um but yeah I was very very happy to put. all of the detail of those diseases. aside because you know the guy that. wrote it his mom and dad you know treat. people with schizophrenia so he had a a. lot of first hand knowledge that he. could pass on to me you know and a lot. of that was to do with physical tals and.

when the physical TS happen in the. course of somebody's uh connection to. the disease you know the thing about. beautiful mind is it has a device in the. film the film begins you believe. everything that's unfolding in front of. you and then there's that click when you. realize hold on a. second have I been watching him or am I. inside his head you know and then that's. the thing that like worldwide that trick. works every time you because you know I. saw that movie at a few premieres around.

the world and there's this gasp that. comes out of the audience and it's you. know only 15 20 minutes in when they go. and they realize that they've been. inside the head of a sick man right as. opposed to watching some you know spy. drama unfold right. right that was that was I far out I read. that script here really yeah I was doing. uh the shows 2000 stubs I rented a a. beautiful house over there on the other.

side of the river I don't know why I'm. pointing that way I don't even know. where which direction the river is from. here but uh yeah and I Jeffrey kenberg. basted my nuts about reading it I was. like man I'm doing the band shows I've. got you know I'm recording with the band. I just want to be in this space he goes. I need you to read it now you know and. uh he'd been part of the um Gladiator so. you know um. I read it and and I ended up ringing him. and thanking him because the experience. of reading the script was F just.

fantastic one of the best scripts i'. ever read and it had that device on the. page so that wasn't a trick added by the. filmmakers later you know your the same. experience of reading it is the what. experience you have when you're watching. in the cinema um yeah man so it was. about I don't know 2:00 in the morning. sitting on the back porch of that house. it was still over 100 100° it was really. hot and and I read it in one go I. thought to myself when I sat down to. read it I I'll read 10 pages it'll put.

me to sleep right and it didn't kept me. awake and I remember putting that script. down and walking and jumping into the. swimming pool you know at 3:00 or 4 in. the morning or whatever going I'm. absolutely doing that [ __ ] movie 100%. wow so that's exactly what you're. talking about the kind of film that just. gets in your skin get I I you know I've. said it you know lots of times but it's. a physical response it's like Goosebumps. it's like I'm reading it and there just. a thing happens and I'm not even.

thinking about it I just pick up a pen. and I start writing down what I'm going. to change in that. bit you know I just start working on it. immediately and if I work on it when I. read it that's the one I'm going to do. and I I've you know I've stuck true to. that even you know as I was saying. before you know sometimes it can be a. really imperfect document but there's. just a couple of things that. you know so it's like okay I have to do. it you know my joke is that that in that.

way I respect the gods of film you know. it's like I'm only there cuz I have my. reasons and I need to be there you know. and so um you know and that way now it. doesn't always work out but you can do. the greatest pedigree movie and it tanks. you know you can have you know A-list. number one A-list number two A-list. director great subject matter nobody. goes to see it see this a s sort of a a. type of alchemy you know and you know I. came out of an independent film world.

and then suddenly a couple of those. Independent films got successful and it. led me to uh another place you know but. I still like to work in an independent. will because you know if one hits that's. the one that's going to be fun and. important or whatever if it comes out of. nowhere yes so yeah yeah I don't you. know Studio films it's great you know if. it's the right situation you know um I. I'm I'm not sort of saying that there's. a negative in doing that if if you know. what I I've done I've done you know um.

all sorts of big Studio budget films you. know I've I've you know I'm Superman's. dad in. DC I'm Zeus the god of gods in um uh. Disney Marvel um and I'm craving the. hunters Russian father in Sony Marvel so. is sort of like you know yeah it's it's. the you know the experience of doing. those films is the same for me is as.

other things I go to work I have a. particular character thing in mind this. is what I'm trying to do you know the. thing about my job man is in reality. most film directors you work with are. genius they're genius people you know. male film whatever the person that that. has worked to the point of getting to. helm a feature film where you have to. cover all of the aspects you know from. the production design to the sound to. how you're shooting at what lenses.

you're using you know the people that. you're working with where you shoot it. you know all of those responsibilities. come on the film director you know so. the joke I often make about me working. with with Ridley it's like I get to hold. the paint palet for tishan what tian's. doing his [ __ ] and he turns to me and. goes Russell I need more blue and I go. right you are I'll give you some blue. it's a good gig you know being able to. work with super smart people you know. it's incredible Super Creative people.

I'd love the thought of like appeasing. the film gods that that attitude is the. right attitude it's you know uh I I know. I say it as a sort of a witticism as a. joke but it's actually what I. fundamentally believe yes yeah I think I. think it's real I think there's. something to it there's something if you. approach everything like that though yes. everything yes yeah yeah I I don't know. if they're Gods or I don't know what it. is but there's something there something. there something real something there and.

I've been talking to whatever that is. all the way through my life yeah all the. way through I actually say this on stage. at the moment because I have a song. called Michelangelo's God which relates. to an experience I had recently with my. mom um you know I decided that when I. heard that they were making a another. Gladiator that I was I'm going to take. my sons to Rome so they get to. experience what I've experienced since. that movie came out with the people of. Italy and and uh and and the people in. the city of Rome in in terms of the.

Privileges that they give me and the. experiences that they they give me and. the regard and what have you and I. thought you know before there's another. one and that water is muddied you know. I'm going to take my kids over so they. can really experience it so I was. talking to my mom and my father just. recently passed away and I said why. don't you come with us and initially she. said that because she only ever been to. Rome with my. dad that she um didn't want to come. because she thought it would just make.

her sad you know because that City. connected you know her to him and I said. to her mom listen to what you're saying. this is a place that connects you to my. father you have to come you know so she. came along and would you know doing all. the normal family stuff together. touristy stuff Spanish tips Fontana dy I. took the kids to see the old office at. the Coliseum you know the old office. just normal family.

stuff and um then I got this call from a. guy at the Vatican and this is all based. on you know that movie right uh heard. you're in town with your family would. you like to come and walk through the. Vatican Museum and the cinee chapel by. yourselves without any tourists wow now. I've done the tourist thing you know. thousand new special friends and you in. the 16 Chapel natural light I've done. that so the idea that we could walk in. there by a side absolutely absolutely So.

and I've taken my mom and because it was. such a big walk she's in a wheelchair. right so I'm pushing her around but. every corner we get to something of. immense Beauty I can see her remembering. when she was there with my dad and what. he he said or a friendship he made or. whatever you know he was a bit of a he. was a chatty fell my old man you know he. used to make friends very easily you. know so um you know we went through that. and and I could see it affecting her and.

then um they took us into the sister. Chapel it's unbelievable man you know uh. I'll do it exactly the way I do it on. stage for you man because it's a funny. moment you know this guy comes up he. goes Rasel for you today I will turn on. the lights of the. Pope I said sorry go well the Popp likes. to come to the chapel H to meditate he. likes to see all the beautiful colors so.

we put in some lights and he turns on. these. lights I mean that ceiling is amazing in. natural light when it's got like 16. spotlights on it man and you can see the. real color of the light blue of the sky. and the Reds and you know you can almost. with that much light on it feel like you. can see the pain Strokes you so you're. there under my Michelangelo's genius in. the light and I said to the guy that was. amazing you know why did you do that and. he goes Russel please marimo you are the.

eighth king of. Rome but so later in that same visit he. took us to this little balcony and to. get onto this balcony not the one on TV. it's another meditation balcony right on. top of the museum to get there we have. to go in this very small little elevator. you know so I'm there just me and my mom. say how you going you enjoying it and. she just starts floods of Tears man. crying crying you know she goes I can't.

explain I just feel your father so close. to me we get up on that balcony right in. the distance I can hear some music so I. asked that man what's the music and he. says well it's a Wednesday the Swiss. guards band is rehearsing they only play. ecclesiastical. music but I can hear what they're. playing and so can my mom and and it's. that old Irish folk song Danny. Boy the reason that that comes into the. conversation we're just having is we.

played that at my father's. funeral so here it is right this. moment how does that timing work out. where's the coincidence factor of that. what's the what's the odds of that you. know they never play anything other than. ecclesiastical music but on the day that. we're in a place so we can hear a. private rehearsal of the Swiss God's. band they just happen to be playing the. song played at my father's funeral when. I've gone through this whole process of.

convincing my mom to come with us and. she says she can feel my dad all day you. know she was saying that and shedding. tears from and there we had that moment. together wow you know so I I I don't. know how it works I don't know really. you know what I what I do feel is that. all religions are simply a human way of. trying to explain the. inexplicable um there is. definitely because I have examples of it.

in my life if you offer and we can call. it prayer or you could call it just an. introspective conversation you know if. you focus on using your imagination and. your your personal energy to change. things around you they will change you. know you can do a lot of things with. simply the power of your beautiful mind. yeah. um uh so that's kind of that's where I.

sit with it I don't know what it is but. I know it's available so I use it that. is as close to a. miracle it's it's a thing that happens. occasionally in a person's life and it. that moment will touch them forever that. you almost go too many things lined up. too many things lined up so perfectly. how how's this even how's it possible. did you talk to the band I would want to. talk to them to the Swiss Gods band yeah. did you guys ever play this before did.

you guys have a wild I did actually. because um uh they wanted me to go and. see their Armory ah again another. experience that you would never have. right so I get taken down and here's the. history of the Swiss guards you know and. and their connection to the pope and. here's all of the armor that's been worn. by the guards over the centuries here's. all the weapons and the swords and all. that sort of stuff and um I did ask them. about the Danny Boy and the first guy I.

talked to was like no they wouldn't have. played that if misheard it because they. only play ecclesiastical music you know. but apparently they were building up to. um some performance for some visiting. dignitary and that was the the choice of. s for that thing it's just too many. things too many things man called at. that time you know we make the thing on. that date I've convinced my mom to come. you know lights all of that the lights.

of the. Pope there's there's something undenial. about just being in the Vatican itself. there's like St Peter's Basilica to this. day is one of the most incredible. experiences I've ever had just walking. through that place and just trying to. imagine the worksmanship The Artisan the. the artistic ability to. duplicate the kind of incredibly. intricate designs that are in that.

ceiling and how uniform they are and how. gorgeous they are and how many hundreds. of years it took to accomplish how many. people were in the first time that I. walked in there which was. 1991 and I this Probably sounds a bit. weird but I got sort of like offended or. something it was so over the top right. and so incredible and I I I thought. about it from the perspective of this is. a group of men trying to build a.

mountain to show you they're as powerful. as God or something like that you know. what I mean so I was probably a little. more. um idealistic or whatever at that age. but I remember being like it was so. overwhelming it shocked me you know I. was like oh and I got and I got kind of. pissy about I was like man that would. trick a lot of people it would trick a. lot of people if they walked in there. and they saw all that beauty they' go. all these guys must have a direct.

connection yeah to whatever's going on. these the guys I should hang with you. know but they probably do which is how. they made it this but this the that is. the trick of being a person who walks. into there and who's you know a devout. religious person you you experience. something that seems like a. representation of the divine right cuz. that's what the art looks like it's it's. so incredible well you know that there's. that um I forget the name of it but. there's a statue there it's carved from. Marble and it's like of Mary holding the.

body of Christ yeah we were just talking. about that the other day right and it's. gotc that Veil yes and it's carved yeah. it's just insane unbelievable again that. thing of like the incredible Privileges. and experiences that the Italian people. give me you know that's behind glass. and you know you're 20 foot from it you. know I walk into the chapel this guy. Taps me on the shoulder says come.

here. and I could stand next to it he took me. inside the room where it's in. wow and it's just when you think I mean. how old is. this what year was. this. 1498 1499. unbelievable and just the level of. detail of the anatomy like look at the. ankle go back to that larger photo again.

Jamie look at the ankle I mean look at. all the detail and the toes and. everything I mean just unbelievable how. do you go about how do you I have this. sort of thing with a lot of art you know. how do you go about looking at a. rock grabbing a chisel and a hammer and. getting to that right what the hell you. know yeah it's like when I see you know.

a painting by Arthur streon or something. and he's painted a. glass how do you do that. right just like it's insane yeah it's. insane it's insane that well it's. there's levels to every game right and. the level of that game was like every. other sculptor had to look at that and. go oh my God what am I doing yeah you. know it was it was. damaged um between the wars I think by a. Turkish. guy that was either born in Australia or.

had been living in Australia and he went. to Rome and back then they used used to. be able to walk right up to it you know. and uh I don't know he hit it with a. hammer or something like that and. damaged it and they here we go oh he. broke the arm off did they have to how. did they hold on what. 72 Hungarian oh yeah sorry Hungarian. born austr to attack the sculpture with. a geologist hammer while shouting I am.

Jesus Christ I have risen from the dead. with 15 blows he removed Mary's arm at. the. elbow knocked off a chunk of her nose. and chipped one of her eyelids how did. they repair it that's the thing right. it's perfect now so wow painstaking. restore returns can you show me the. photo of what it looks like now oh no. yeah weing yeah saying like imagine they. they repaired that how how. yeah good [ __ ] job but look at that. material man look at the on the bodice.

of her costume there it's all of it is. incredible the way his fingers grasp the. in between the two fingers grasp the. piece of the cloth yeah. insane yeah so I was able to just walk. right up to it and walk around it and at. one point in time the guy says you can. put your hand on it if you want so I did. wow yeah yeah but that that was you know. um I just wanted my kids to experience a. little bit of that because uh it has. been an incredible relationship I've had.

with that country oh I'm sure just based. on a film yeah you know yeah but it's. based on a [ __ ] amazing film it's not. a bad one it's a [ __ ] amazing film. how much training did you have to do. physically for that oh man I had to. start so it was Heavy because I I'd done. um a film called the inside with Michael. man yeah I was going to ask you about. that too whether you started smoking. cigarettes before or after that film way. before way before and I know all about. the negativities involved in in the.

process and it doesn't stop me so it. just goes to show how potent it is as a. drug um yeah so and I i' basically just. stopped all exercise to try and sort of. get into the shape of the guy that I was. playing you know and um and I I met. Jeffrey wend the guy that I was playing. um and it was a funny thing. because Michael man was convinced that. Jeffrey was an expert.

golfer and so I'd been doing you know. these golf sessions and stuff you know. and I met him at a golf course and took. him to the driving range and he was not. an expert golfer and I asked Michael. where did you get that impression from. he said well the way he talks about it. ah cool cool so I used that too as you. know as part of the personality of the. guy the guy thought his golf game was. way better than it really. was it's just an interesting little you. know detail so there's one conversation.

where golf comes up and you can see. there's like a little color comes up in. his cheek because he wants to defend. himself or or or or big himself up or. whatever it's just absolute minor detail. of no concern to anybody else except me. but it amused me you know um but in that. conversation you know and I asked him. some pretty tough questions and you know. probably you know at my age now. questions I would never ask somebody in. that situation but you know I was you. know younger and and uh you know uh had.

that kind of. confidence um and I kind of crossed into. some territory that wasn't comfortable. for him and I made him cry you know and. he didn't want to cry but he was sitting. opposite me and he was sort of like. emotionally affected and I was. man I have to honor this man I have to. put every effort I can into making. making sure that I tell his story the. right way around you know so um then I. met Ridley and I was coming off that.

film and I'd made a decision at the. beginning because we kept like cutting. my hair and dying it we' we' bleached it. seven times but it wouldn't behave like. an old person's hair you know we could. comb it into place and then the next day. it would go you know and we were we we. took the hairline back shaving the hair. back and I'm I I just look so [ __ ]. weird and at a certain point I just said. to Michael man I said just give me a wig. this is just crazy you know I'll shave.

my head just get me a wig I'll wear the. wig cuz then I'm my hair is going to be. exactly right you know mhm and that's. what we did so when I met Ridley I. was maybe 35 or 40 lbs heavier than I'd. been on LA Confidential which was the. last movie that he had seen me. in I was. Bal and and uh had a really weird sort. of suntan because of wearing the wig so. my face had some but my head was white. you know and I don't know how he could.

possibly have ever seen me as the. character um but yeah that first. conversation I had with him and I said. when are you starting and he's like. January and I was like that's about. three months you know was 35b yeah and. find muscles you know so um the first. thing I did was I went back home and I. went on a motorcycle ride uh for about. 10. days um and I sent a guy ahead of me in.

a van with a cooker so wherever I. decided I was going to stop that night. or whatever I could only eat his food. you know and it was just really really. basic just sort of salads and beans and. stuff like that you know um it's changed. so much over time the knowledge we have. for nutrition and everything you know um. back then you're pretty much you know. you're working off some really dodgy. information you know like at one point. in my life man everybody was told you.

know the Mediterranean diet is the is. the key so eat pasta every day just like. the Italians. do cut to a whole bunch of big people. you know the thing being is the food. production um process is not the same. necessarily in you know other countries. outside of Italy you know Italy or. France or whatever they have you know. food production methods that are uh like. Artisan methods that have been used for. a long long time and pretty much most of. the places you go that food hasn't.

necessarily been affected in the same. way as it might in a you know more. westernized country like America like. Australia you know we borrow your food. production methods so we've got you know. um corn syrup up the jaxi and everything. now you know as well so um new wheat. yeah yeah but yeah so I had three months. to get ready and that's um you know I I. don't think when we started I don't. think I was ready but by the time we're. halfway through the film and I show it's.

coming off and all that sort of stuff I. I had enough time and enough focus on it. to get it to a certain place so did you. have to train while filming yeah. constantly you know cuz it was um yeah I. I. mean training in that you know at the. top step of the of of the third tier of. the Coliseum there's a room that's got. Jim gear in it in or you're in the. middle of the desert and there's an. extra tent and that tent is the. gymnasium you know um and you know I had. to sort of share the space there's a.

whole bunch of Gladiators in Gladiator. there a whole bunch of guys that. desperate to work out and everything so. I just let everybody use the space as. well just on the provisor that if I'm. coming in and I've got 15 minutes. between things and I need to be on the. bench just get off the [ __ ] bench you. know and everyone's like yeah cool man. you know so it was it was quite a you. know a good collaboration actually with. all those those guys wow that so did had. you ever wielded a sword before did you. have to learn how to do all those moves. yeah um I took it upon myself cuz I.

didn't get to go to drama school you. know I just started working you know um. I was working I was a s clubs and stuff. like that when I started moving into. doing more acting stuff. um uh so I'm I was born in New Zealand I. moved to Australia when I was four moved. back to New Zealand with my parents when. I was 14 then at 21 I moved back to. Australia by myself cuz I considered. Australia to be my home I'd lived there. between 4 and 14 that's your formative.

years you know and I never felt like New. Zealand even though it was the land of. my birth it was really home so I went. back to where I felt comfortable and um. I went back with the idea that you know. I've been doing all these clubs and. bands and stuff like that but I'm going. to sort of change the priority I'm going. to focus more on acting and put the. music you know know underneath it um and. one of the things that I planned on. doing was working enough saving money to. then go to n at the National Institute.

of dramatic art and get a piece of paper. that says I know how to do my job. right. so the year was 88 I think i' been in. Australia for a couple of years by then. I had an agent things were going really. really well um solid work being able to. save money and I was uh doing a show at. uh this theater and um a guy called. Bruce appleb who had been my brother's.

biology teacher in high school but who. had become a friend of my one of my. uncles and he came to see the show and. he came backstage and at that point he. was the technical director for the. National Institute of dramatic art you. know so he said so what's your plan and. I said well you know I've got the money. in the bank I'm auditioning for nider in. October or whatever it was. and you know he goes what you're going. to go to drama school said yeah I you. know I want to turn he goes I walked.

into this theater tonight as I was. walking into the theater there's a. banner that says the name of the show. above the name of the show is your. name it's too late for you to go to. drama school you already do what you're. supposed to learn at drama school the. only thing that you'll pick up is bad. habits so in one conversation this dream. I'd harbored for about four or five. years just disappeared you know um but. it was I mean it was absolutely the.

right advice to for me to receive at. that time it would have been a probably. a big waste of my time to go into a. drama school situation at that point. acting is one of the strange things that. some people have an ability to do like. there's athletes that have gone into. films that you know just play an athlete. in a film and do a [ __ ] amazing job. like was it uh who was in um uncut gems. was it Kevin Durant no Kevin Garnett. amazing in it he's good amazing he's a.

plays a professional basketball player. he is a professional basketball player. but you there's that thing right there's. a a simple thing to understand that. you're just going to inhabit the. character yes you know um and you kind. operate yourself a little bit like a. puppet master emotionally or whatever. you know and as you're saying some. people can just accept that yeah and. they're fine with it other people find. it very hard and they sort of like they. sort of um they put a performance on.

which does not being driven from yes. inside you feel it they're doing. something that they've constructed that. they think oh people will think I'm that. guy if I do this thing over here but. they're not actually experiencing what. the character is experiencing therefore. it's not coming across as real right it. doesn't resonate yeah it doesn't. whatever it and you see it sometimes. like you'll see one actor stand out like. oh he's faking it right yeah it takes. you out of it but just like the same way. you see the opposite yes right where you.

see that guy walk in the room turns his. head and you go oh I'm with that guy. that guy's you know is fantastic you. know like when when you're doing a. character whether it's bradock or the. gentleman from The Insider and you're. playing an actual human. being that must come with another it's. another level of responsibility right. because you have especially The Insider. cuz that that was the first film where I. had saw that kind of changed my. perspective on things and made me openly. consider the idea that a corporation.

would have someone assassinated right if. they were going to affect their business. and I I saw that M I remember seeing. that movie going Jesus CHR and it it. took me down a rabbit hole of reading. about the history of the tobacco. industry and lobbyists and what they had. done to try to obscure the fact that it. was causing cancer and addicting people. and all the chemical they' put into. those things you're you're playing a guy. who risked his life to to tell us to let. everybody else know hey there's some.

nefarious forces involved in this. business it's not as simple as they're. just selling you cigarettes they they're. they're doing some [ __ ]. yeah yeah well like the responsibility. is the right word you know that. experience that I was um sharing with. you where I sat in front of him I asked. him some tough questions I could and I. pushed a button. emotionally I could see he was still. affected by it you it was about his. family and and uh the question you mean. yeah yeah um it was about the effect of. the situation on his family and that.

took him to a place and I could see him. just get you know emotionally I realized. he's still all these years later is. carrying this around you know so was a. big thing for him to do as you say he. risked everything in his life risked his. professional reputation the health and. safety of his family you know to put. that information in front of us the. weird thing for me about all of that is. is this legal loophole kind of situation. you get into where if you admit. something is unsafe then you're liable.

for the fact that you pedal something. that was unsafe CU there's a whole lot. of things that you can do to make these. less uh potent in terms of how they. damage you you know you can take out the. chemicals you can return the tobacco to. it more more natural state you know but. we don't do any of that because that. would be admitting that it's an unsafe. product you know and it opens up a whole.

bunch of more legal [ __ ] but you. know it's a funny thing I don't want to. be an advocate for cigarette smoking but. uh there are you know there is a long. long history of us and you know wanting. to smoke things you know yeah well. there's been a lot of great work that. was written on nicotine mate a lot every. major mathematician every major. scientist they all smoke mhm there is.

something. in that nicotine opening neural Pathways. yes that they might not have access to. normally I think it's the delivery. method too cuz there's different ways of. doing it there pouches but there's a. very different thing that happens when. you smoke it right yeah all my friends. that can't quit cigarettes say the same. thing yeah like there's. just it's a different thing like they. need and they'll get you fire I use uh. Red Man plug on Long Haul flights yeah. that's how much of a nicotine addict I.

am man he chewing tobacco on Long whole. I got a great nor McDonald story nor. McDonald and I uh just by luck sat next. to each other on flights on two. different occasions just total dumb luck. right Norm's like Norm what's up we're. talking and he's tell I quit smoking. he's telling me this whole thing about. he quit smoking yeah it was terrible. hard thing I ever had to kick yeah I. loved smoking but you know what it's. [ __ ] terrible for you I had to quit. so he telling me about this the moment. we land he runs into the gift shop and.

buys a pack of cigarettes and he's. lighting them before he gets I go what. are you doing I thought you quit he goes. yeah I did but then we started talking. about it I wanted a cigarette and he's. lighting it before he even gets out the. door he just couldn't wait to get it. back in him well here's the funny thing. though right with uh that somebody sort. of said to me once which and it's a true. thing is like you know when you haven't. had a cigarette for a while and you get. a craving. right that's all you have to deal with.

right that's right right at that moment. yeah yeah it's not like other things. that might you know get deeper and. harder and more difficult or whatever. it's only ever going to be that craving. so you just have to sort of walk past it. and you know and but also to satisfy. that craving when you do satisfy that. craving it's a immediate release of one. of the most pressing physical things. that's bothering you the most pressing. physical thing that's bothering you is. you want a cigarette times when I've.

tried to give up what I've found is that. my brain doesn't work the way I want it. to work right uh I find it quite hard to. make. decisions and so it's sort of like I've. had. experiences where you know for an. extended period of time I'm in this. battle of trying to complete completely. get rid of it out of my life but all of. these other things are being negatively. affected cuz I'm not making decisions my. businesses are starting to wobble my.

bank account's not looking good you know. what I mean and so I've just gone [ __ ]. it get everything back in line well it's. a significant neut Tropic you know it. really is uh it does affect in a very. positive way cognitive performance yeah. yeah it's undeniable yeah well as we say. we said in that film it breaks through. that blood brain barrier that's why it's. so addictive and so hard yeah and why. it's so effective too it's just too bad. it's terrible for you yeah and I'm.

feeling it man at the age of 60 having. smoked since I was a kid 100% no it's. like a you know it's a short course from. here when you were playing bradock did. you smoke all through the training I. smoked in the. ring right there photographs I had a. guy because um you take your gloves off. you know and so I used to just go over. to the corner you'd stick out my mouth. and go pop wow but then we developed a a.

set of uh gloves that were velcroed so. they had the laces on the outside but. they're actually velcro I could get them. out so I could have a cigarette but oh. wow yeah you know not constantly but you. know would. be you know you're doing a shooting day. in the ring you you're in the ring all. [ __ ] day you know uh so you're going. to be in the ring doing boxing stuff for. 12 hours so when we started that film. Ron Howard's idea was to do the first 35. days of boxing and then do the scenes.

afterwards but after we did the first. fight you know which took six or seven. days you know I said you've got to. rethink that you know I'm rehabbing from. the. shoulder 35 days in a row it's like it's. going to break down man we have to so we. redid the schedule and we cycled back. into the boxing so I'd box Mondays and. Tuesdays and then basically Wednesday. would be off physically and then I would. start the prep gearing up for the next.

boxing day you know and uh what was good. about it is that it kept me in shape. through the whole shoot you know if if. we' done 35 days of boxing then stopped. and then done another 30 shooting days. where I didn't have to box you know. James J brck would have changed shape. during the course of the film you know. it was because I was cycling back into. the boxing that I that I stayed in shape. and kept improving you know because we. had gaps in between so I'd learn a. little bit more from Angelo or whatever. and would' be able to adjust something.

so it was a really good choice to make. because it made and and it was because. of doing that that Ron was able to. clearly see we need another gear change. between now and and the championship and. that's when we came up with the idea. well the only way we can have a gear. changed if we just do it for real you. know wow um but when I did the real I. did it with the fell Troy um he was he. was a really lovely BL great boxer Great. athlete incredible on the ropes you know. uh on the skipping R um just Superior I.

did it with him because I wanted the. challenge of doing it you know if we're. going to do it for real I want to do it. with him and. um you know we're chasing each other. around that ring it was it was it was a. incredible experience but I. wasn't you know it's just that thing as. like he's a good solid guy I don't know. he was never going to kill me I mean. right you know there was a couple blocks. in that cast yeah. like if he gets the opportunity he's too. feral he'll just take my head off if I.

give him half a freaking break he'll. just you know y there guys like that out. there yeah did you have any experience. boxing as a Young Man a little bit a. little bit um I did martial arts when I. was a kid so I started off with karate. Buddha Khan that would have been I would. have started that when I was 12 um then. I did. um. uh. zendai um and then I did like a a street.

martial art thing as well and oh I'd get. to kind of like you know halfway up the. belt ladder and and you know then I'd. move on to something else you know um. but it's funny because all of that. training comes into play later on in my. life you know uh. and funnily enough I always say to. people it's actually my musical theater. background and dance routines that make. my fight sequences so sharp you know.

because it's sort of like you're working. with a rhythm and if you know working. with a camera and the camera's trying to. catch something you know if you have. that Rhythm then you can display the. stuff that you want the camera to to to. capture and the audience to see you know. but it's a lot of people think I'm. joking when I say it but it's for real. do you aware of vasil. lomachenko no he's a Ukrainian boxer he. one of the best pound-for-pound fighter. he just a big fight the other day yeah. he beat comosus from Australia who's.

also an elite fighter but he he was. trained by his father from the time he. was very young and his father made him. take two years off of boxing to learn. Ukrainian dance right to help his. footwork and he has the greatest. footwork of all time there you go his. footwork is impeccable you you have to. see pull up a just a highlight reel of. the way this guy moves because it's so. bizarre he moves differently than any. other boxer on the planet and he's by. far the he has the best footwork and the. most elusive he cuts angles and does.

movement and misdirects in a way that no. I got that list wrong I did buddhan to. start with then I did Sor okay which is. a Kung Fu okay and then I did zendai. after that which is more of a street. fighting thing which is headbutts and. [ __ ] oh okay yeah well it's like you. know it's a a cop God type deal yeah. yeah but it's like let's make this short. and sweet yeah and just you know get it. done yeah who's your favorite boxer over. time do you think or or group of boxes I.

don't know I don't know if there is a. one this this is lomachenko right just. watch how this guy moves like his look. at that that footwork is [ __ ] insane. there's no one like him there's no one. like him he's so. Elusive and the punches come from angles. that you don't expect them to come from. and he's moved up multiple weight. classes I think he's the quick man to. ever win I mean cuz he had an. unbelievable amateur record right I. think he's the quickest man to ever win. a world title I think he won a World. title in like four bouts right.

incredible yeah I used to love watching. Costa zooo oh yeah he was amazing yeah. he was fantastic and he's his son he's. got two boys and they're both upand. comers at the moment yep Yeah Tim just. lost for the first time and yeah watch. that fight Nikita yeah yeah that was. crazy that fight yeah crazy fight crazy. fighto was a murderous puncher he was. fantastic man. he he knocked out Zab Judah one time I. remember that oh my god I've never seen. that happen before and that was when Zab. Judah was Zab Judah he was the thing.

yeah he was the and everybody was like. counting down how many seconds is it. going to take for him to end Costa's. life and it simply didn't happen well he. was so slick and so elusive himself and. costao just planted one on well he. planted a couple on him but one big one. that really rocked him and he had that. little rat tail that was his thing well. that's the thing with Costa I think he. had you know nearly 300 FS or something. is an AM start with he the consequences. of him hitting you he was just such a. murderous. puncher that even if a guy was slick it.

was just you needed to make one mistake. boom there it. is and he got up and his legs were just. complete rubber I'm that's the only time. I've ever seen that in a in a boxing. well he made a mistake there he should. he should have stayed down it was his. ego that made him jump up to his feet he. should have taken a knee right weight to. the count of eight rows and then he play. that back again because he's got that. one big right but then it's a it's a. two-punch combination that really puts.

him into that situation right yeah Bang. there one two that hurt him and then bam. that's the big one. yeah yeah see if he just stayed down. yeah probably would have got his legs. back in eight seconds yeah right by now. he's okay yeah exactly but who knows he. would have probably got caught again. that's the tricky thing about boxing. yeah it's a yeah I was I was at the. costao Ricky Hatton fight when I got a. mate who's a lawyer says you have to be. careful with befriending boxers right.

because there will be that night when. it's just all over yep you know and um. it was in Manchester and Hatton was. jacked man he was his body was chiseled. in a way I'd never seen his body before. and you know from my perspective it it. looked like he was you know laying in. some shots under the belt you know but. in an audience like that in Manchester. which was all about Ricky you know um.

they were all for him um you didn't have. a lot of dissenting. voices yeah but I was I was you know in. the dressing room holding Costa over a. bucket while he pissed blood for about. 20 minutes after the fight oh God yeah. and it was like really made me. understand what the boxing well was you. know but it really is yeah and it every. one of those take something away from. that fighter forever they'll never be. exactly the same I don't think he fought.

again after that yeah you know have that. big long stored career and multiple. World Championships and all of the. things that he achieved and then you. know he just knew that that was the end. of that for him well good for him for. recognizing that it's one of the hardest. things for fighters to recognize when. it's over because their entire identity. is based on this one thing that they do. and then who am I if I don't do that. thing and your whole life from the time. young old Sports people though isn't it. you know I think for Fighters it's even.

it's more difficult oh it's much more. intense as a f for sure it's also you. have to have this ridiculous belief in. yourself that you're the best of all the. all the elites out there you're the. number one you're the guy that can get. it done yeah Ricky Hatton in his prime. was a bad man yeah he was great oh he. was a mer merer too just so hard-nosed. just come at you just you know which is. why um you know his some of his loss the. Floyd Mayweather one an example it just. shows how great Floyd was right was able. to weather that and figure out the.

openings yeah and then Manny Pacquiao. after that Pacquiao what a f he just. fought again he just had an exhibition. fight in Japan which is ridiculous. didn't look that good I liked um I used. to like watching Oscar De La Hoya as. well in his prime he was amazing Prime. he's off the reservation now though see. he posted on his Instagram today I him. and his girlfriend in their underwear. dancing around and it looks like he's on. a pound of cocaine oh dear he's got a. jock strap on he's bouncing his dick.

around she's bouncing her ass around. it's the it's it's something that if. somebody else filmed you're like don't. post that right do not post that. meanwhile he put it on his own [ __ ]. account see you got it Jamie Tak down. just it's been taken down just having a. sum what do you mean it's been T he took. it down it says the when I looked for it. it's been scrubbed from Instagram so I. found. that's it in the corner in the right. hand corner you can see what the two of. them are. doing so she's dancing he's well they're. blurring him out because he had like.

some little ging around where his. dingling was bounced around she's. shaking her enhanced ass the whole thing. is just I mean what drugs she definitely. needs to go and do some Ukrainian folk. do yeah not the best footwork I mean in. his prime the guy moved like a butterfly. but you know things have changed he was. an amazing fighter in his prime. absolutely unfortunately gets. overshadowed by activity like we just. witnessed what do you think of this Jake. Paul fell I always say that if Jake Paul.

was not a YouTube Star if people just. looked at him like an upand cominging. boxer you would say this kid's got a lot. of [ __ ] Talent he's dangerous he's. dangerous I think his strength is that. people for whatever stupid reasons they. underestimate him because of what his. background was and they think there's no. way some guy who became famous off of. YouTube is going to be an actual legit. boxer but if you look at what he's done. the time that he's put into it and the. ability that he has just the sheer. ability he's a very good boxer yeah very.

good yeah and he's he seems to treat his. body the right way too yeah yeah trains. hard I mean I've watched a lot of his. training footage I've watched a lot I've. watched all of his fights he can fight. what do you think of the thing with Mike. though 58 is 58 yeah no matter what no. matter what you're taking and what. they're doing for you and you're still. 58 but 58-year-old Mike Tyson is not. 50-year-old Mike Jones that lives down.

the street it's a different kind of. human being and he still can knock your. [ __ ] head into another dimension if. he can catch you yeah the thing is can. he catch a 28-year-old guy who's at the. top of his career who's winning. legitimate boxing matches I mean he's. beating former UFC world champions like. Tyron Woodley you know he had that very. good fight with uh Tommy Fury who's a. legitimate boxer you know which was a. very good fight you know he just beat up. Mike Perry who's a be knuckle Champion.

it's a he's a real fighter he can fight. he can and if if Mike Tyson and him are. fighting and Mike can't catch him and. Mike is has bad knees of his back's bad. I mean I don't know what's going on with. him physically you it's hard to tell. from a guy just hitting pads when he's. hitting those. pads he looks great yeah like yeah if he. can do that if he can actually do that. for eight rounds or 10 Rounds however. long fight is well that's the going to. be the key isn't yeah can he do that I. don't know if he can do that I mean he. had to pull out of the first fight. because he he had an ulcer right so it's.

you know the thing is I was quite. enjoying the second phase of Mike's life. you I mean you know he was terrifying as. a boxer terrifying you know even when I. I met him at one point back you know. backstage at the stadium at a fight and. I was like I'm still terrified of you. from watching you you know but then that. guy who started becoming where he became. more explorative and he was looking into. what you know the meaning of life and.

you know having a smoke every now and. then and stuff like that you know I was. like I'm enjoying this mic you know I'm. I'm liking the the evolution you know. what bothers me with this whole thing is. that he's got to kind of you know slide. back to that Warrior you know and I'm. just not sure he needed to do it. you know yeah he's the reason why this. table's so wide why is that because I. was going to make the table more narrow. and be closer the guest I had him on. once when he was uh retired and he was.

much heavier and he was smoking a lot of. weed and he was contemplative and you. know interesting and philosophical and. just a fun guy to hang out with and then. I had him on again when he was about to. fight Roy Jones Jr and he had lost about. 60 lbs he looked shredded he had muscles. bulging in his arms and he was very. intense it like a completely different. human being and he was terrifying just. being in the room it was [ __ ]. terrifying and I said you know what this. table needs to be a little wider I'm. glad it wasn't on me yeah I just don't. want to be that close to him he [ __ ].

scares me like I felt his energy it was. a and even Jamie said it after he left. Jamie was like that's a totally. different person right cuz Jamie was. here for the first one the second one it. was just he was so fired up that it was. he had reignited that thing inside of. him that existed when he was the best in. the world yeah and that that Force that. caused him to try to achieve greatness. was back and he was fit he was you know. he's in the middle of training and he. was he was all in on this Roy Jones Jor. fight yeah and now he's I just hope for.

the both of them that it it it. transcends the the sort of circus type. atmosphere that's around it you know but. it's a legit fight and they both do well. and nobody gets hurt that's that would. be nice but it's probably not going to. happen it's probably going to be one of. two things it's either going to be Jake. Paul's going to find out that. 58-year-old Mike Tyson is still a. [ __ ] or we're going to find out. that 58-year-old men are 58-year old men. no matter what they look like and Jake. Paul is a 28-year-old athlete in the.

prime of his life yeah you know was a. real I mean if you just do it to. yourself right take you know me at 60. versus me at 28 right forget about it. man yeah it's different things all you. know yeah and also there's an. accumulation of of injuries that. everyone have tell me about yeah just. just no avoiding but I do want to get. you in to get I guarantee you stem cells. will help that I've had tremendous. success with stem cells in shoulder. joint yeah yeah I I was told by a doctor.

that I was going to have to have. shoulder surgery he he said well he did. all of these exercises he pushed down on. it we did an MRI he like it's so torn he. goes you could try to rehabilitate no it. was a little bit of laborum but it was I. had a full length Rotator cuffed hair. okay and he's like it's going to have to. be repaired so um I had another guy in. Vegas this guy Dr Rody McGee and he's. like let's try stem cells and he was. doing them for the UFC and you know this. was they could do some pretty potent. stuff this is before some of the new. regulations have come into place that.

they're constantly trying to regulate. this stuff because it's very effective. well I went in he shot me up I took it. easy on it I did the rehab I started. doing all these band I used these um. crossover symmetry bands and I started. doing all these exercise to build my. shoulders back up and then it started. feeling pretty good and I started. working out again and just being real. careful soon as I feel pain I'm G to. stop I went back to him in six months. and got an MRI right he said it was the. most extraordinary thing he's ever seen. he said the tear is gone he said I've. never seen this before he goes I've.

never seen this all my years of being an. orthopedic surgeon I've never seen a. tear in a rotator cuff completely. disappear what's happened with mine now. is that it's full of arthritis MH you. know so if they were going to repair it. now right they've got to cut it they've. got to pop the bone up shave the top of. the hum head off cut it off put you know. like yeah some plastic bit in there that. like 11 months rehab yeah don't don't do.

that yet don't do that yet this is why I. don't do that yet because there's. breakthroughs right now where they. regenerating cartilage there's several. studies I believe one of them is out of. Australia and another one my friend. Brigham who runs ways to well I actually. sent this to him I'll send this to you. Jamie but it is uh there's a new study. that came out that's showing that there. able to regenerate cartilage tissue and. this is very very promising so with when. they're able to do this kind of stuff. now if you could just hang in there here.

you go Jamie uh if you could just hang. in there for just a year or so I. guarantee you they're going to be. implementing this stuff on people see. I've I've got no cartilage in my big. toes no cartilage left um because all. the sports that I used to do a lateral. movement and but also you know sometimes. things [ __ ] goes wrong in a stun and you. got to stop or you die you know so so. this is it insulin like growth factor. one in articular cartilage repair for. osteoarthritis treatment so um they're.

able to do this uh signaling pathway. that's been implicated in art articular. cartilage repair igf-1 is a member of. the family of growth factors. structurally closely related to. proinsulin can promote um I don't know. what that word is Cron. crise chondrite prolification. enhance Matrix production and. inhibit um C catabolism um moreover we. discussed the potential role of igf-1. and OA treatment of note we summarized.

the recent progress on igf Delivery. Systems optimization of igf Delivery. Systems can facilitate treatment. application and cartilage repair and. improve OA treatment efficacy so there's. this and there's another one that's in. Australia where they're they're using it. on sheep right now and they're able to. regrow cartilage on sheep and they're. about to begin human trials on that as. well here healing discovering animal. models consoling to new human therapies. so this is uh this is the next stage. right because right now there's nothing.

they can do about cartilage um what stem. cells have been really effective at is. soft tissue injuries uh tendon repair. things along those lines and a lot of. neurological disorders that people have. especially IV versions they've done a. lot with uh Dr Neil Reen and Panama has. had some great results with that and uh. great results I Mel Gibson came in and. talked about his uh experiences with. that and his father his father was in a. wheelchair when he was 80 uh 10 years. later at 90 was walking around right and. this is after stem cell okay just they.

can do some pretty extraordinary stuff. especially outside of the country. because outside of America America has. the FDA and the FDA is very strict on. this stuff but if you can go to Tijana. there's a place called The Cellular. performance Institute they send a lot of. UFC fighters down there they had amazing. results amazing they're shooting them. into people's discs and growing disc. tissue and people that have uh disc. degeneration issues it's just uh we're. real close we're real close to being. able to regenerate all kinds of stuff. right so just got to kind of hang in.

there yeah hang in there but I guarantee. you what the stem cells can do is help. heal what can heal in that area reduce. inflammation give you more range of. motion and uh give you a much more. pain-free experience cuz I've got that. situation with my toes right I've got. grade four tears in both Achilles I've. got shin splints I've got bone marrow. edemas under both knees Jesus I've got. one disintegrating hip oh boy and I know. exactly what fall that was from what.

movie Gladiator of course um and then. you go on my back I've got ribs that pop. off I've got you know both shoulders are. [ __ ] but the left one is particularly. [ __ ] and it's like you know like even on. this tour we've been doing cuz we've. been traveling like 35,000 km or. something on this tour and you know. sometimes it's in a plane but other. times it's in a you know um hopefully a. bus but most of the time just a a car or. at one point we were traveling around in.

a pet transport van you do it in Old. School yeah well the thing is the the. band doesn't generate cash like my day. job right so I've got to work to have. what the band earns right right right so. uh definitely makes it uh a little more. difficult for sure you know but it's. also real you're doing it like a real. touring band yeah yeah yeah lining up in. funky little airports. and yeah and most of the flights have. been you know once the tour has begun.

have been uh you know economy flights. and blah blah blah so well I'm going to. try to get you in the morning before you. take your flight out of here all right I. bet I can okay yeah I'm 99% sure they. can just go bing bang right in yeah. they'll just start injecting you in the. morning they'll give you an IV of stem. cells they'll inject them into the areas. that are hurt interesting yeah it'll. help you guaranteed it'll help right you. know it sounds like your shoulder's. pretty [ __ ] but yeah like I said hang. in there this shit's coming so I'm I'm.

kind of probably doesn't look like it to. you but I'm actually in the process I've. had 10 years of allowing myself to be in. a certain shape and playing all sorts of. roles of that but when I finished. nurburg in April or so I just said okay. that decade's over and I'm going to go. back the other way so I was 126 kilos. when I came off Newburg I'm currently. 112 A2 nice just slowly slowly you know. that's the right way to do it but what.

what I'm looking forward to is that all. of the you know guys that are 10 years. my junior we were going mate you [ __ ]. Let Yourself Go haven't you you know. okay. whatever I'm going to just be passing. them on the escalator as I go down go. enjoying yourself yeah yeah I just I. feel even if I I start working less. which is something that's also in the. back of my mind um if I'm going to spend. more time for myself and not working.

than I want to be in a particular place. you know so I can enjoy it a little bit. more sure yeah just physically you'll. feel a lot better just moving around but. it has been a very interesting decade. you know and uh it's funny in my. business on how uh how much it can. affect your friendships what you look. like really oh for sure absolutely for. sure in what way well just who stops. calling you and stuff they stop calling. you if you gain weight for sure for sure. really oh those aren't real friends well.

that's exactly right so it's been a. lovely uh process of elimination just. cleaning a few things out how. bizarre I I don't know where I'll get to. but in my mind I'm aiming for about 104. 105 nice like that you'll get there come. on man well that that should be. relatively easy yeah you know but for me. fighting weights 80 kilos M that's you. know can you get there I don't think so. why not I bet you can well it's just the. thing is I can't because of all the.

damage everywhere cuz what I used to do. is just outrun my the you know go. through a period of you know abusing. yourself and then just outrun it and I. simply can't do that anymore you know I. just can't outrun the years of you know. of abuse can you use an airdine an. airdine bike yeah I've got them you know. yeah those are the [ __ ] yeah those I did. that stupid thing today that's what I'm. trying to do is actually make the. adjustments without relying on you know.

Olympic level physical preparation you. know I'm just trying to bring it down. purely through diet and you know and the. fact that I've been losing weight while. I'm on a tour like this where you don't. have consistency in the way you can. exercise and um the food that's. available to you you know 2:00 in the. morning after you finish the gig is you. know it's pretty hairy the fact that. I've actually still been able to come. down is amazing I've never been on a. tour with a band in my life and I've. been doing this stuff since the early.

80s and lost weight you go on tour you. gain weight that's what happens so it's. been pretty I'm really looking forward. to the being back on the farm where I. can be consistent and add a little sort. of consistent exercise to it I don't. know what the rules in Australia are for. peptides do you know what kind of. regulations they have there uh I'm. pretty sure that they're available but. you can't use them in a professional. sense which doesn't affect my job but. but you like sports people can't use. right Sports people can't use them here.

either unfortunately all they do is help. you heal especially things like bpc157. they just help heal injuries and they've. recently banned that here for some. [ __ ] stupid reason none of it makes. any sense what you can get versus what. has not shown any adverse side effects. but then you have to go through this. insane process to get it legalized that. takes forever and costs insane amounts. of money right and just that's what. they're in right now but peptides can. help you tremendously tremendously helps. helps you heal helps your your body.

regenerate tissue helps you lose weight. it can help you in a lot of ways right. yeah there's a lot of different things. you can do but I I'll connect you with. these wayte to well people they can help. you a lot and also just eat nothing but. steak eat every all just e only your. steaks get on a carnivore diet high. protein low carbs right just lose weight. quick like that anyway CU your body's. like easily satisfied right if you're. only eating meat and protein you only. eat so much and then you're done your. body like knows how to regulate exactly. what you have and also then you'll be in.

a state of ketosis a lot of times now. that I've made the decision it's quite. interesting what's happening to my um. just just the food intake you know like. you know yesterday I was eating a steak. I was really enjoying it but I didn't. finish it I got to a certain appointment. actually I'm good you know so it's just. a funny thing you know like you know we. talked before about the power of the. imagination or whatever you know I've. I've now made the decision yes that I'm.

going the other way and you know as long. as I'm you know clear about that. decision then things just you know you. just start to fold in under what you've. you know the decision you've made right. so yeah you're you move into that. direction yeah yeah and I'm I'm just. sort of take you know taking the. attitude I'm not slavishly weighing. myself every day I'm not you know. there's. nothing uh it's not schedule specific. you know which has been so much of my.

life I'm prepping for a thing that. happens on a certain date you've got x. amount of time to get to that place you. know um this I'm like I'm really taking. it on board as a a decision I purely. made for my own reasons you know and. that is you know when it's summertime I. like taking my shirt off by the pool you. know so I was like all right I've had 10. years without doing that so now I'm. going back the other. way do you what exercise can you do that. doesn't hurt um oddly enough and I just.

I would never have thought this you know. I doesn't seem logical but you know when. I got to a point with my achilles that. was affecting everything that I was. doing you know and they set me up I I. did you know uh full blood injections. platelet rich injections did all of that. stuff you know then you banging yourself. with painkillers cuz you it's such a a. heavy hit when you do that sort of thing. particularly with the Achilles you know. and moon Boot and all that you know uh. and it just wasn't working man and I was.

doing uh the rehab exercises and. everything and I could feel that with. the rehab exercises that they were red. damaging the area they weren't making it. better you know so I kind of said to the. guy that I was working with I just like. I got to stop I got to stop because. every time I see you then I limp the. next day you know but if I don't do the. exercises you know after a certain. amount of time the limp gets less you. know so I have to come up with some. other way of doing it and he said I was. crazy at the time or whatever then I.

started going out with a. girl who loves playing. tennis I used to like playing tennis was. I when I was younger so cool let's play. tennis you know our romance is based on. the fact that the first time I played. tennis I couldn't beat. her okay I keep you around and play you. enough times till I work out how to. grind you into the dirt young lady and. but here's the thing with tennis with a. short burst of running right and it's.

sort of like it's not constant like 10ks. on a treadmill or out on the road or. whatever it's just a short burst of. running right and then you've got a. minute while you sort of gather yourself. together you have a break between games. or whatever and then another burst of. run another burst of running I seem to. have rehabbed my Achilles by playing. tennis wow. that would be the last thing I would. suggest I would think that that. springing would be the recipe for. disaster but because it's like a. momentary movement but you know with.

tennis if you're getting to the ball. you've got to use 100% of yourself you. know you're going for that ball and and. it's all in but it's three or four steps. right you know and then you have a sort. of like a little bit of a break or now. the next shot you don't have to put so. much effort into or whatever and it just. seems to I have you know I had years and. years man I mean I'm talking about from. 98 onwards right so that's through all. of those movies we were talking about. like Gladiator like um Martian Commander.

like uh Cinderella Man Noah whatever the. the problem with my ailles is always. present always present you know H but. since you know the last 5 years it's. gone away I don't think about it every. day and I I walk without a limp now wow. and it's just tennis I wonder how much. of that is the same thing like the. direction you've made this direction to. beat this woman at tennis you got to get. good at tennis and your mind is your. mind is saying to your body all right. you got to fix this [ __ ] problem with. the Achilles I'm going to need those.

yeah we're going to need those we're. going need to fire up all the resources. it could be also too that those platelet. rich injections and stuff that they were. doing in the timeline that they were. considering to be the right timeline is. incorrect the timeline is in fact a lot. longer you know perhaps and you know I. think if you look at the tennis thing it. actually recreates the rehab exercises. sure but you're not doing you know five. sets of 10 right you're doing a little. bit and then the next day you might do.

that same move again or whatever you. know but it's not wearing it down at the. same time that's what I found with the. rehab exercises that it felt to me as I. said I think that I was reinjuring you. know there would stretch stretch stretch. to a certain point that's good then you. do that one set of them too many and you. feel that little click and you know that. that it's retor you know yeah that makes. sense it's it's like limited Plyometrics. that's what it's like you know it does. make sense but it's it's funny that. that's the thing that got you healthy.

again because that is I. mean crazy right yeah so opposite of. what I think anybody would recommend it. doesn't seem to you know bear logic but. here it is you know sort of and you know. I've started riding um bicycles again. now and everything because it got to the. point man with the pain you know if you. went on a a mountain bike for 15 or 20ks. it's just white hot paint in the back of. my heels you know yeah that can't be but. now I'm enjoying it again and you know. having fun with it so you know it's uh.

it's cool that's a beautiful thing yeah. so uh love yeah love love and the. ability to decide that you want to beat. this person yeah and I did like I I. ended up uh there was one time in. Melbourne we played indoors. on the um the practice course they have. for the open six love and I never let. her forget it she still will beat me. quite regularly but I do have that one.

pure moment of victory that I I recall. for that's hilarious the motivation it's. interesting how motivation is such a a. massive factor in success like what what. do you actually enthusiastic about it's. just that the direction that your mind. will put your body through when you've. made a decision like that have you got. kids yes yeah have what are their edges. I have a a 28-year-old I have a. 16-year-old and a 14-year-old okay yeah.

cool and that you dig being a dad I mean. that's question but yeah yeah I love it. it's bizarre it's a bizarre education. and who you are as a human being. absolutely your the reflection you have. on these possibly the greatest human. privilege yeah right I I used to think. I used to think differently about it I. used to think that everybody should when. I first started having kids I felt like. everybody should have kids I don't think. that now anymore but I think that for me.

it's been one of the. most one of the most impactful and. Powerful things ever in my life it's. changed me as a human being in so many. different ways Dave Dave Chappelle has a. great phrase about it that I always. repeat he said Not only did it increase. the amount of love I have it increased. my capacity for love mhm for me it also. made me change the way I think about. people right cuz I used to think if I. met a guy and he was 50 years old I was. like that's 50y old guy now I meet him I. go he used to be a baby I used to be a.

kid I used to be a little kid I I think. of the whole path of that person. becoming an adult now I never used to do. that before yeah well I'm at that place. now where my eldest is in University and. my youngest is about to finish high. school and we've. um it's just you know. it's amazing we we had a funky life in. that you know there was divorce involved. and and things like that so we haven't. always. been together you know um but I can.

honestly say they're my two favorite. people to spend time with in the world. you know and the things that we can do. now you know with this little head that. was nothing but just a you know a bundle. of of blankets you know I can now have. these incredible discussions. you know my eldest went into University. to do an arts degree. right didn't find it challenging so. without any discussion just flipped his.

degree and he's now doing Latin and. ancient Greek whoa yeah and I'm like. that's a big change and he's like well I. just worked out how to make the. education system work for me and I'm. like this guy wow he so impressive you. know and it's like you know I remember. the first time he said a word you know. and now he has the intellectual capacity.

to realize that you know this is a. moment in his life if he grabs what he. can in terms of his education and he's. looked at Latin and Greek and gone if I. can nail Latin and Greek every language. is available to me ah so it's like. that's just you know I mean to sit back. and be impressed with your kids at that. sort of level aming yeah you know and. look I think they they're both really. creative but you know uh the navigation. aspect how you help people you know your. children navigate the world don't too.

much yeah but how do you explain some of. the [ __ ] that goes on politically. and stuff cuz I remember being extremely. idealistic when I was like you know my. teen years and and very politically. focused and then I just got to a point. where I was like you know. everyone's a [ __ ] artist yeah. there's not one of these guys that I can. really say that you know I'd follow into. battle so I'll just stop worrying about. politics and going to something else you. know but you see the same processes.

going on with them they they're trying. to reach out to Something to Believe In. and then somebody that they believed in. you know has a policy or whatever that. you know is completely a barant to the. way of thinking so you can see them. having to come to grips with you know. it's very hard to find a hero yeah you. particularly in that world it's in. particularly in that world well that. world is set up for fools it's it's set. up for people that can just become a. figurehead well I don't know who said it.

first but the it was used in the um. Andrew Lloyd Reber Tim Rice musical. aita politics is the art of the. possible you know so it's not it's not. really connected to anything it's like. what can we get away with right what can. we tell you that we're going to do and. then never do it right out of the. possible well you're seeing that now in. American politics more than ever because. the person that's actually in office is. saying what she's going to do if she. gets into office right which is just. like you're there you're there this is.

madness like this is and people like. yeah she's going to do it like she's. been in there for three [ __ ] years. like what are you talking about this is. crazy but people want to believe so. badly we want someone to be the person. that rescues us from whatever situation. we're currently in and that's always. been the case the unfortunate thing is. and it affects you know Australia as. much as it affects here you know we have. such a um an aggressive media situation. and the media's need for new information.

new stories whatever that you know that. time line is you're just not going to. get people of quality stepping into that. world anymore no you know no who' want. to put themselves to that there's. probably hundreds of potentially. incredible presidents oh yeah in this. country but they're too. smart to walk that way you know yeah. it's a real problem it's a real problem. it's only going to get worse and our. desire and our hunger for [ __ ] and.

to focus on what did he do when he was. in high school you know what did she say. when she was on Twitter when she was 22. like what the [ __ ] are you talking about. like we have to put that [ __ ] aside. recognize that people are just human. beings and stop dragging out old [ __ ]. just to make your party win it ruins the. entire system yeah well that that is the. thing isn't it it's just like you know. picking a color and no matter what. happens under the banner of that color. he's just sticking with the color it's.

like well that's not really going to. help any of us no you know that's not. the way it's going to go I don't know. what your political system is like but. we're completely trapped in this. two-party system yeah we have the same. sort of situation but we have a very. interesting thing that's happening in. straight at the moment which is the rise. of. Independence um and it's uh happen. federally and also um at a state level. too but also in in city government as. well where non party Affiliated people. are standing and so now you have a.

situation where in the parliament you. have a group of them there you know I. can't I don't know the exact number is. 10 or 15 or something independent so you. know the main party has to deal with the. fact that those Independence are going. to bring a nonp. Partyline uh series of of points to the. argument you know and it's it's working. well you know it's working for us uh in. that it's making both of the main. parties reexamine who they are and and.

what they stand for you know yeah we. could use that here for sure people are. just so sick of that yeah you know um. color Choice yeah they're reaching for. something else well it's also people. recognize that a lot of us that claim to. be on one side or the other really are. somewhere in the midd. most people have opinions that are a. little bit of a conglomeration of both. conservative and liberal perspectives. especially like liberal socially. fiscally conservative there's a lot of. people like that and they're not. represented they're not at the moment no.

not at the moment and in this country. it's the worst that's ever been in terms. of the polarization of the two sides. right and what you know you think of the. other side as an idiot no matter what no. matter what that person's got to be a. [ __ ] they they think differently than I. do or they support this side I support. that side and I'm all in on my team and. they're all in it's just it just it's a. tribal thing as tribal as any other. thing that we have in in in the world. and in this country it just doesn't work.

and it we just get captivated by. corporations because of that and it's. also the money in politics is so. extraordinary which is something that. should have never been allowed to happen. yeah yeah the old um you know the those. campaign fundraising situations and the. amount of money they just pour into but. also the rules around the engagement you. know I mean the the rules of you know. what you can say in an ad that's. negative about the other person it's.

like come on it's ridiculous you know. it's like these apocalyptic two-minute. blasts that come out of your television. it's just all [ __ ] but if you're. leaning that way then you know it helps. your outrage and it helps you confirm. that yes well that's you know I'm. against that you know but when it's just. a series of exaggerations and lies and. it just doesn't help anybody well in. this country KLA Harris recently got. caught because the campaign was using. articles and they changed the article.

they changed like the titles of the. article they they put out like fake. positive articles right and that the. fact that you can do something like that. you can you persuade people to think. that people are writing about something. when you're actually putting it out. there right which is just bananas it's. just a complete manipulation of the zist. we've got a situation in Australia at. the moment where politicians. are suing people. for um you know what they say is a loss.

of their reputation or whatever right um. because that person might have commented. somewhere on social media or something. and said you know X person is X and so. now you know they've the certain. politicians have worked out oh I can. make money out of this oh Jesus so. they're using their privileged position. to then go and Destroy somebody's life. who might have called them a name on. social media Jesus Christ really. mate it's bit much yeah you got to put a. stop to that if you're in the public eye.

you got to recognize people are going to. throw rocks absolutely man is he. standing for for for Parliament you know. or Congress or whatever it goes with the. territory man yeah and it also it. stifles free speech because it scares. people into censorship right well that's. that's where it gets really dark yeah so. now you're saying that you can't make a. negative comment about somebody who's in. power because they will now take your. house away yeah that's crazy that's dark.

yeah well in the UK there's a lot of. people that are getting jailed too it's. it's a very bizarre time for free speech. when we should have the most we have the. most access to information that's ever. been available and because of that. people are now weaponizing that access. right right instead of uh you know it's. not like there's someone in the pub. listening to you say something negative. about a politician but when you say. something on Twitter or on Facebook to. your group of friends you think of it. the same as you saying something in a. pub right like this is my opinion [ __ ]. that guy and all a sudden you're in a. lawsuit with that guy right it's it's.

not good and you don't have any money. you're like oh Jesus you use Twitter and. things like that occasionally yeah I I. do what I call Post and ghost I post it. and then I don't read nothing about what. I said just get out of there I don't. want to be involved in anybody else's. opinions I used to like it man I you. know I was probably a relatively early. uh adopter you know of it but for a. while there it was like oh this is the. thing that we've been looking for in.

that I can put a a post up here saying. that I'm going to do a show in Germany. and I don't have to spend a dollar on. Advertising right or you know do the. interviews and stuff you know and for a. while there it was really potent but uh. it's definitely dropped off. you know it seems like there's a whole. lot of people the people that you'd want. to be reading your stuff that have just. decided you know my life's a lot better. if I don't yeah that's the problem if I. just get away from this negativity well. there's so much negativity because you.

know first of all the algorithms so the. algorithms enhance what you get involved. with and for the most part people like. to get involved with things that. infuriate them they get in they like to. get involved with things that make them. upset that's what it distracts them from. their daily life or maybe. it's the thing that they think is an. existential threat and so it's consumed. them so they want to talk about it. constantly and so that's all you get I. do feel we've got so many people around. the world places like Australia like New. Zealand like England um like here you.

know whose anger is all based on uh. misinformation you know and they sort of. like they've had their morality rewi. because they've been pummeled so much by. stuff but by somebody who doesn't care. right what their response is doesn't. care whether what they're publishing is. true you know they just don't care I. mean I don't know if you you ever saw it. but I I played Roger Als in a TV series. called the loudest voice mhm which.

basically is the beginning of fox and um. Roger had been a political pundit uh. he'd worked on television in the 60s um. but then he met Richard Nixon and became. an adviser to Nixon and he tried to set. set up you know a White House news. Service uh back in the late' 60s tried. it again in the' 70s tried it again in. the early ' 80s but the technology just. wasn't there and the money wasn't there.

but then he met rert Murdoch and. explained to Rupert that all you need to. do to attract 50% of the news audience. is just make a decision. politically because that's half the. available audience you know yeah and the. way you know I can't remember all the. figures and everything but the way he. set up Fox News um it just became an. absolute cash cranking machine you know. because they got it into the Affiliates.

and stuff like that by offering it at a. lower price and then you know got to his. you know subscriber numbers um that. still had it making money between. advertisers and subscribers at that. lower price so when that first deal then. changed after 10 years and people were. then charged you know the subscribers. were paying a regular price all of that. was profit cuz he already had it working. at the lower price you know and I I.

think it's something like you know it. was 10 bucks ahead you a an atmosphere. where it was normally. 33 so then when that first contract. finished and it went to a normal. subscriber rate you know you've got that. difference and 77 million subscribers. times an extra $23 and that's the. beginning of opinion-based news coverage. foxes yeah yeah because that's. when one publishable option. yeah yeah and then you have a real. problem today on social media where you.

have Bots where there's a really unknown. number of entities that are commenting. constantly in one way or another about. political issues that aren't even real. people right it's computer bot Farms it. gives the impression exactly that. there's you know uh more people for a. particular situation than there is in. fact in actual reality there was an FBI. analyst that he made an estimation that.

it's it could be as many as 80% of the. people on Twitter are. Bots this makes the whole thing useless. then doesn't it it kind of does in a way. but also there are real people you just. got to find those real people and. there's plenty of interesting people to. find and anything that's free and open. is going to be messy you know and that's. what I used to do is just if anybody got. on my timeline and chucked in some. negative [ __ ] i' just block them yeah. just get them out of there you know. that's good move and and for a long time.

it kept that sort of Village of people. in a sort of a comfortable place cuz I. just got rid of you know those voices. but now you have the situation where you. know there's ads running and stuff on on. your timeline and you're not allowed to. block it anymore you can't stop yourself. stop the yeah but but it's not it's it. it's funny cuz they're running like ads. or they're popping up as ads but it's. it's kind of it'll have something dark. in there you know that then because it's. on your timeline will attract more.

Darkness but you can't get rid of it. anymore you can't just block it and. Chuck it out you know I mean you can do. it with individuals but uh that's just a. strange little thing that's happened. yeah it is a strange little thing that's. happened I I like I said I just don't. engage I only post things I got into. Facebook I never really so I don't. understand it and I don't really. understand Instagram either though um we. use it for stuff to inform people about. gigs with a band but you Twitter was the. only one that I was interested in.

because it was it was whack it was funny. and it was like you know and you're. connecting to people all over the world. I've had some you know really funny. situations arise you know because of um. something that I commented on that then. somebody gave me another piece of. information about or whatever you know. so I've learned a hell of a lot out of. it but but just the last year or two. it's gotten worse you know it's got to. to a kind of a harsh Place yeah it's. going to continue that way too it's. that's how you get engagement. unfortunately there's also a lot of fun.

stuff I mean memes I laugh harder at. things that I find online today I mean I. think there's more comedy online today. than there's ever been before there's. more funny memes I mean it's like a. completely new form of. art yeah images with funny titles and. funny captions there's a few of me. around yeah I'm sure I'm sure there's. one particular one that comes up all the. time is a shot from lay Miz where I'm. looking this doorway and I'm I'm in you. know police uniform of the time and I.

just kind of go slide into this doorway. and people apply it to so many different. situations the animated gift like when. Homer Simpson melts into the bushes it's. like that like yeah there's a ton of. those you know I mean I think it's. fascinating because it's a new thing I. think all this and information that's. being exchanged online even though it's. messy even though it's kind of negative. I'm very hopeful because I think I think. we're going to figure all that stuff out. eventually if we don't kill ourselves.

and it's going to get to a better place. of understanding human beings because. you're going to be human beings just. interacting with human beings in a pure. sense without forming our narratives. from mass media without forming our. narratives from television you're going. to get dissenting opinions people that. give more nuanced perspective on things. and if you follow the right people and. you read the right things and you do. kind of shy away from a lot of the more. polarizing arguments and the ideological.

stuff you can learn a lot of [ __ ] I. think I'm very hopeful about it right. but yeah well I always you know I I try. not to uh see us at our worst you know. there's always sort of something that I. can find that um gives me a little bit. of Hope with people yeah um yeah but. it's it's it's just funny because it to. me it would it felt like the beginning. of the future you know that we were now.

connected and information exchange was. was open and I thought this is going to. lead to great changes and it has led to. changes but they're not so great yeah. you know I it's like you know even with. a little operation like my band you know. somebody just pops up they start telling. selling fake tickets fake meet and greet. experiences you know they take money and. orders for merchandise that they're. never going to produce you know it's.

just it's crazy I mean you know and. there's no there's nothing in there. stopping them from doing it right that. is a problem yeah I'm. optimistic in even in the face of all. this stuff I'm optimistic I think we're. moving to a greater place of. understanding each other MH it's just. going to be a a wild ride right you. know full contact by 2027 is that what. they say I don't know what do you think. I don't know man I don't know but I like. reading all that stuff yeah I do too I.

get too involved in it yeah but I try. try and shy away from coming up with a. definitive opinion because then you're. sort of out on the edge of that limb and. you're going well it looked like that to. me yeah exactly exactly but it would it. just would be. uh it'll be interesting the next couple. of years for sure you know I think I'm. I'm a little worried about America in. the next little while you know um I. haven't been here for 5 years man 2019 I.

finished loudest voice and I went home. and then Co hit and I had kind of an. incredible experience where you know I. said to my boys look you know you're. cool in the city with your mom and. everything but I might go up to the bush. and be with my parents because you know. they're old and everything's going to. change for them and stuff like that so I. ended up you know I've owned my place in. the bush since '96 but 2020 was the. first time I'd seen all four seasons of. the same year at the farm you know and I.

got this thing where you know my dad. dies March 2021 and so often you talk to. people and they say you know I wish it. had one more dinner one more hug one. more conversation or whatever you know. but when I looked at it because it was a. surprise when he died it it wasn't. wasn't expecting he's 85 but he seemed. to be quite healthy you know um and in. reality when I looked at it's like well. I got a whole year I got a whole year of. like you know having dinner pretty much.

every night with with my mom and dad and. asked him a million questions and stuff. not cuz I thought he was about to pass. away it was just because you know we had. the time together you know and I took. him on a few Adventures you know like I. was digging a a a huge Dam on my place. to try and make it you know um um. drought proof you know so I now have a. 70 megga L Lake in the middle of my. place which gives me enough water to. feed the cattle and stuff for seven. years something like that you know um.

and you know like one day we went out I. went out to show them this you know what. was basically a hole in the ground at. the time about a you know football field. size hole in the ground and uh I took. him out there in a in a buggy and the. clouds came over and it started pissing. down with rain so I've got you know 83. year old old man who [ __ ] you know. doesn't move too fast or whatever I've. got to put him back in the buggy and. drive and by the time we got like. halfway back to the house it was. absolutely torrential rain you know it.

just like getting covered in I was so. worried I thought oh my God I'm going to. make him sick or whatever you know I got. him back to the house and I said I'm so. sorry about that he said are you kidding. that's the most fun I've had in years. these people you know referring to my. mother and the other people that you. know are there to sort of like you know. help him out he goes these people don't. let me do. anything so we just had little moments. like that where we you know just got to. share some stuff but you know and then. my schedule has been extremely busy.

since Co but I've been working in other. places you know Thailand Malta um. Hungary England you know just constant. constantly working but because of what. we learned with Co in terms of being. able to just drop in on a TV show my. studio on the farm you when now push a. few buttons and I can be live on you. know a New York tonight show you know so. I've restructured what I do with press. you know I do my junkets at my house you.

know and I might have a nice shirt here. but just like today I've got shorts on. underneath and I walk out of you know a. day of press and I'm in the bush nice. you know I got the horses and the cows. and the dogs and I'm you know cool so. it's still changed my life but it's. meant I haven't been here so it's been a. 5e gap you know to flying into New York. the other day and it's a palpable. difference in the way you know people. regard each other and the way they talk. and the the fears they express you know.

um surprisingly though New York felt. friendlier really yeah it might have. something to do with the weed. shops everybody was just a little more. chilled you know but there's there's a. fear in everybody at the moment here and. I I'm just not sure where that's going. to go you know doesn't feel healthy yeah. it doesn't feel healthy for me either um. listen man I really here the thing with. America. right you got to remember that it is the.

beacon of freedom for everybody in the. world it's a huge responsibility you. know and if people if people are looking. for something change in their life of. something positive the vast majority of. people will look towards America and say. Well that's Beacon you know I want to. live like that where people can say. what's on their mind and people can have. differing opinions people can be of all. different you know races religions or. whatever and still be in the same. Community you know it's so important.

that America remains healthy into the. future for everyone not just for. Americans. agreed thank you very much man thanks. for being here I really enjoyed our. conversation it was beautiful thank you. for my son Tennison is going to be so. happy that when he sees my name come off. on the on the list of things he's going. to be very happy and uh I uh I want to. just thank you on his behalf you know. for being uh a voice that accepts uh.

different opinions you know and doesn't. push particular agenda you know you've. definitely helped his brain expand and. helped him become curious and uh so I uh. uh thanks for that beautiful thank you. cool thanks for everything cheers man. say hi to your. son bye everybody thank you.

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