Joe Rogan Experience #2167 - Noland Arbaugh

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day what's up noan nothing much can you. guys hear me through this is this too. far away cool no it's perfect it's. perfect it's a pleasure to meet you man. hey you too you too thanks for having me. I have a feeling if there's a movie that. they do in the future of how the world. changed in 2024 you're going to be in. that movie.

yeah that would be cool yeah that'd be. cool wonder if they'd get to play me. yeah I they probably don't need people. by then they probably just do movies. with AI and probably really quickly you. could probably like take a really great. novel like The Great Gatsby run it. through an AI Video Creator and it would. just make you the most amazing version. of The Great Gatsby yeah that's true. probably yeah that'd be sick but if. we're talking about like historical. moments in human beings and in.

technology the implementation of. neuralink on the first human patient. that's. you yeah yeah I guess so um no. definitely yeah yeah I mean I was I keep. thinking about it like you know BCI have. been around for a while um so I've PCI. uh brain computer interface so like just. uh implants that they've done in people. um different ways that they've found um. they've given people the ability to like. control electronic devices they've been. able to control computers and stuff.

there are a couple things out there the. Utah Ray um synchron came out with. something um where basically they go. through the um um artery in the neck and. that they kind of thread something up. into the brain it expands um in a vein. up there and an artery up there and then. they can like control the brain through. that so BC has been around for a while a. few decades at least I think since like. the 90s so I always say that we're. standing on the shoulders of giants sort. of thing but I know nurlink just has uh.

it's in a league of its own and I know. that you know with elon's name attached. to it it's gonna blow up way more um but. I think this is the beginning I think. everyone else that you know comes after. this basically is going to be pulled up. by the progress Nur Link's making and. the fact that they are trying to like. open source basically all of it um I. think the whole field is just going to. grow exponentially at this point well we. can only hope so and that that really is. fascinating and it really is f how many.

different ways and strategies they've. employed to try to connect computers to. human beings and brains so what do you. know what year the first one was they. did this uh 98 oh May wow yeah I think. so I think that was a Utah array um and. that just uh was it looks like a chip. with like more fixed um uh like threads. on it they were I think a lot smaller. and it just sat on the brain um so.

obviously another uh open brain surgery. and they put it in there and then it. would read a section of the brain motor. cortex I think as. well have you seen some of the stuff now. where they're. using um some kind of scanning imagery. where they can actually see thoughts no. I haven't yeah they're there're they're. doing where they think they're going to. be able to record dreams eventually and. what they're able to do now is get like. an approximation of what someone is. seeing and thinking whoa can you find.

find that Jamie so we could figure out. exactly what they did yeah here it is. scientists read dreams using brain scans. is an older one this is not the newer. one okay that's crazy I mean I've always. heard that um scientists really don't. know how like what dreams are and like. what is going on or why we do it I've. heard plenty of people say like yeah we. still don't know why you even need to. sleep or like what's going on in your. dream I don't know if that's changed. recently but like I don't know dreams. are dreams are an interesting thing the.

whole sleep thing is interesting yeah. MRI scans reveal what we see in dreams. Japanese researchers unveil dreams. visuals with 60% accuracy using. Innovative MRI scans at pivotal Kyoto. studies showcasing a breakthrough in. sleep science whoa. wow wild stuff that picture just looked. AI are we dreaming in AI now I think. we're close I think if the simulation is. real it seems ridiculous n now less so.

than it seemed 5 years ago but I think 5. years from now it'll seemed likely I. think it's all interconnected in some. very bizarre way I think we were slowly. building toward that connection with all. of this technology and all these new. Innovations and all of a greater. understanding of quantum physics and. space and all these as they build on all. this stuff I think it's going to become. more and more likely that this whole. things somehow another real but not real.

at the same time yeah neither a. simulation nor like actual reality like. a a hybrid of these things oh yeah. that'd be crazy I'm that's one of the. things I'm really excited about with. neuralink is how much we're going to. learn just about the brain from this. like the amount of data that they're. collecting um I mean little things like. the fact that um all the stuff with the. thread pull out going on with my brain.

um one of the reasons that they think it. happened is because um well I don't know. have you heard about like the thread. pull out and stuff explain to people. yeah yeah yeah so basically um there are. 64 threads implanted in my brain um uh. with 16 electrodes on them each and over. the course of a month um we saw a lot of. the threads start retracting from my. brain so the threads that the robot. implanted um were retracted and so we.

were getting less signals from a lot of. them and they can't see that on like. brain scans or anything so like the. threads are so small you know uh not. even the size of a human hair that in. order to get a scan of them you'd have. to use such a big machine that it would. probably just fry my brain so they can't. just go in and look at them um so a lot. of the data that we have that shows that. they were moving or coming out of the. brain was literally just um whether or. not the electrodes on the threads were.

sending signals anymore if they were. picking up neuron spikes um so a lot of. the threads were getting pulled out and. that led to you know some um decline. performance for a while they kind of. fixed that in a way um but some of the. reason that that happened at least we. think is because the brain moves more. than they thought it would which is. something that was so bizarre to me when. I first heard that I was like you guys. don't know how the how much the brain. moves like this feels like like that.

should have been something that was. solved you know ages ago I never even. thought it moved yeah and so it pulses. like with with like your brain with your. heart I mean so like as your heart. pulses and stuff your brain pulses as. well um because you know there's blood. running through it and everything so um. it's just pulsing and they thought that. it moved like pulses at about a 1. millimeter rate so that's how much it'll. pulse like move is 1 mm and they found. in my brain that it was moving 3 mm. pulsing so that's on a scale of 3x times.

what they had made the whole neuralink. and the threads and everything for um to. be able to withstand so they think that. that might have had something to do with. it as well so is that a normal thing. that like does the brain have a. range yeah I don't know I think that's. going to um we we'll know more stiffness. pulsation of the human brain detected by. non-invasive time the human brain pulses. every time the heart beats scientists. have used the tiny jiggle to reveal new.

insights about our neurons. neuroscientist try that name. Uli root is root to shower Uli rud to. shower PhD thought he'd uncovered a. strange new phenomenon about the human. brain so so it pulses every heartbeat so. if your heartbeats a lot if your heart's. beating fast if you're jacked up does. your brain pulse fast too yeah I'm sure. I mean I get like what happens with me. is if my heart rates higher um I'll get.

like headaches and stuff so like I I. have a lot of weird things with my with. my body with being a quadriplegic where. like I can tell like if I have really. high blood pressure my head just gets. like really really like I get really bad. headaches and stuff but um yeah. so brain moves more than we thought it. did which blew my mind once we get more. people in the study then we'll really. know if for some reason my brain just. moves a lot more than it should um I am. imagine that we'll see something around.

the same and then we will be able to. determine like a range like you're. talking about if it's you know a range. of 1 millimeter to say 5 millimet or if. it's pretty consistent around 3 millim. I'm not sure so what this implant allows. you to do is you can interface with a. computer and you can use keyboard you. can type in URLs you can play video. games yeah how does it work yeah so. basically um.

excuse me um my implant has uh like a. Bluetooth connection to the computer and. then through that nurlink has created an. app that they have uh uploaded to the. computer and through that app I can. interface with the um with the computer. what it does is all of the electrodes on. the threads um are sending uh neuron. spikes neuron signals. and through my so it's all implanted in.

my motor cortex through my intentions so. say if I want to try to you know move my. hand left right up down I can't really. move it I have like a little bit of. movement in my hand but I can't really. move it but the neurons are still firing. that intention is still there so like. those signals are being sent there's. just a cut off in my spinal cord so. obviously it's not getting down um but. it's still it's still going on in my. brain and those electrodes are picking. up those signals and there's an. algorithm um like machine learning going.

on in the background that is um you know. taking those intentions and over time it. is learning what I'm trying to do and. that translates to cursor control so. [ __ ] yeah so if I want to try to move. the cursor to the left I move my hand to. the left but that's not necessarily what. I would need to do if I wanted to move. the cursor to the left I could kick my. foot or I could do any sort of like. motor action to train it to learn that's. what I wanted to do to go left so there.

will be um like a visual on the screen. that says um like move your hand to the. left and then they will train that left. movement to left on the cursor control. but that visual could be anything it. could be like do a little jig and. that'll move it to the left like. anything that it can do um Anything You. Can Do I mean it can learn and you can. map that to anything with so does this. include facial movements does it yeah. yeah so you could like move it with your.

nose yeah I'm I'm pretty sure like I we. haven't tried anything like that we. haven't tried you know a lot of stuff. this is very very um like it's still. very new so there are things that you. know we've we're working on what works. well at this point so like a lot of it. is uh like my right hand stuff we have. mapped a lot of things to like. individual Fingers um hand movements in. general but we've done like left-and. stuff we've done like foot kick Stu. stuff and it doesn't look like the.

signals are as good but that also might. be um just due to the fact that some of. the threads are pulled out so when they. fix that issue uh with the next people. then those things would be much much. better and if that's the case then you. could theoretically do multiple things. at once it's not just you know you map. say my right hand to the cursor control. then you map my fingers uh in my other. hand and my toes to um like key control. so I could be moving the Cur and typing.

at the same time with my toes or. something wow yeah there's there's a lot. a lot to explore with this that's so. interesting that it's tied to your mind. telling different parts of your body to. move I you come I'm very obviously very. ignorant to this stuff I thought like. you were just using your mind and. telling the cursor to go around yeah so. it's something that is true so it's. something that um we differentiate uh. there are what are called attempted.

movements and imagined movements so at. the very beginning I did a lot of. attempted movement attempted movement is. just what it sounds like I attempt to. move my hand in a certain direction I. attempt to move my fingers like lift. your finger up down left right I attempt. to do something and then the algorithm. will take that and translate it to. cursor control but what I realized maybe. a few weeks in was that I could just. think cursor go here and it would move.

um that it blew my mind when that. happened for the first time like like I. said with um everything going on in my. brain all of it still works all the. signals are still there like I think. something to try to move and the signal. gets sent so when I'm attempting to move. my hand and the cursor's moving and it's. moving basically where I want it to I'm. like yeah that makes sense it didn't. really shock me that it worked I I. assumed that it would work because all.

the signals are still working it's just. my spinal cord that's jacked up um but. when I moved it for the first time with. my mind without attempting to move it. all it like I was giddy the entire day I. could not believe what had just happened. and I think we're going to find that. with a lot of things um right now we are. doing like I'm I'm trying to map um like. sign language uh like the sign Lang. alphabet in order to text um like write.

words and stuff and it's pretty. promising it worked I'm sure there's a. video out there of me somewhere that. nurlink has of me spelling a couple. words um with sign language wow so. you're thinking in your mind or you're. trying to get your hands to make the. signs of sign language and then the. computer interprets that as the language. and types it out yep and I think the. same thing is going to happen where I.

went from attempting to move my hand to. imagining just moving the cursor I think. it's going to be the same way with the. texting I'm not I haven't had this um. confirmed yet but I don't see why not I. think at some point the computer's going. to learn like me trying to do certain. letters if uh like attempting it at some. point I'm just going to think that. letter instead of actually trying to. move and it'll type it wow yeah cuz I. think it's I think it's both like me. learning what like the computer is.

trying to do the algorithm and the. algorithm learning what I'm trying to do. and so over time it's just going to be. completely thought-based um I don't see. why it wouldn't get there um from what. I've seen just with the cursor control. it makes sense that you know as I'm. attempting it's learning and then. instead of even need to needing to. attempt it'll just understand what I. want to do and it'll do it so you were. saying that you were one of the first. people to do this and there's going to.

be more people in the trial and that. maybe they'll learn like the things that. are going wrong with yours can they do. yours again can they redo it yeah they. could um it was something that you know. when the thread retraction had happened. I was obviously pretty broken up about. it I thought that so like when they told. me I didn't have very good control of. the cursor anymore it was really hard. for me to get the cursor to go where I. wanted it to go I thought my time in the. trial was coming to an end and that's.

really hard it's something to something. hard to come to terms with because they. had just shown me this whole new world. uh like all these new capabilities that. I had and they had introduced so many. things like before that point I had. played video games for you know 10 hours. without needing any sort of help and it. it was hard. to you know internalize that it could. all be coming to an end. um I know that it will at some point.

because I'll be out of the study and I. won't be able to use it anymore so my. first thought was can you guys go and. and fix it like go in take it out put in. a new one um and they basically said. we're not at that point yet we're going. to see if we can fix it we're going to. see if we can do things on the software. side to fix it which they ended up doing. it works better than it did before now. um even with like fewer threads so um. I'm glad we didn't because they learned.

a lot um if we would have just gone in. and taken it out and put in a new one. they wouldn't have learned the last like. anything that they had learned over the. last three months um they could go in. and do it they're not going to I don't. think that they need to um but at some. point I'm I know that the whole point of. neuralink is to be upgradeable so at. some point they're going to go in. hopefully and take it out and give me a. better one. wow now what is the extent of your. injury.

sorry um. wor I dislocated my C4 C5 um in uh. people keep calling it a diving accident. it wasn't really a diving accident it. was just sort of like a freak accident. while I was swimming in the lake um so I. dislocated my C4 C5 which they told me. was good because I didn't sever my. spinal cord it was just kind of like my. spinal cord like bounced out of place. for you know Split Second then hop right. back um where it was supposed to be and.

so I cannot move uh anything I have no. control or sensation below my shoulders. I got a little bit back like I can move. my hand a little bit but not enough to. do anything like I couldn't control a. joystick or anything um so yeah no no. movement or sensation below my shoulders. is there anything that if you looked. into what they do with stem cells or. yeah yeah I'm so I applied for studies. um before neuralink and I never got.

asked to be in any of them I never never. even heard back from anyone um which is. kind of what I assumed would happen with. nurlink honestly um but I had applied. for things because I obviously don't. want to be paralyzed anymore I don't. want to be quadriplegic so um it would. be great if I could get into something. and have them fix as much of me as. possible I mean even if I had more. control over my hands the amount of. things that I could do would like. Skyrocket like an order of magnitude um. better and my life would be better my.

Independence would be better everything. yeah I don't I mean I don't think it. would hurt to try and I you familiar. with a lot of these clinics like the. cellular performance Institute in Mexico. uh no they do a lot of UFC fighters um. they do like you can do things in other. countries that you're not allowed to do. in America because of you know. regulations but what they're able to do. down there is they're they're going. right into discs and they're alleviating. people's disc problems where they're.

actually making the discs grow larger. and heal people with back injuries and I. know I've read things about spinal cord. injuries and improvements but I would. love to connect you with them and they. you know they're the experts on this. they'd be able to tell you like what. what the state-of-the-art in terms of. like the research shows that stem cells. can and can't do yeah I don't think you. could hurt I mean it's a healing thing. right if you're getting some sensation a. little bit better movement maybe they. could accelerate that yeah that would be.

great um I'll connect you with them cool. I don't know if I'm allowed to at this. point cuz cuz I'm in the nuring study. I'm not sure that maybe you should lie. yeah I mean it would be it would be. great you should lie but that would suck. to get out of the study too both things. would suck yeah yeah I mean maybe they. would allow it yeah I mean we'll see. we'll see I mean it's only something. that would help you heal yeah yeah I. know I just know that like in a lot of. studies um something like that. they might not want to take like the.

added risk understandably also would. kind of mess up their control exactly. like what happens you juice somebody up. with stem cells and does the brain. pulsate more does the fibers come out. more yeah how does it interplay with any. sort of that someone hased yeah I get it. I get it um is there a a hope in the. future of utilizing this technology to. help people regain movement yeah yeah. that's one of the plans I don't know if. you've seen anything on it basically.

they do something similar to what the. stem cell um a lot of the stem cell. research is a lot of the stem cell stuff. is you know implant stem cells above and. below the level of injury and those stem. cells will migrate basically and create. a bridge um some of them have even uh. talked about injecting right into the. level of injury so um with the neuralink. the plan is to implant one in the brain. and then implant one below the level of. injury and then the nurlink will just. talk right to each other um all the.

brain signals that are that it's picking. up in the brain wherever you know it's. implanted motor cortex in this point um. in this scenario would go straight to. the other one and it would send it right. through your body like it should and are. they do they have a plan on when to try. this they're already trying it in. animals um they have one in a pig you. can watch the video of it where. basically um they have an implant in the. pig's brain and an implant in the pig's. spinal cord I think in the thoracic. section of the spinal cord and they have.

been moving the pig's like legs um on. its own the pig's not paralyzed or. anything but basically they like tell. the pig come to this section of you know. they like grid off the floor and they. put food in a section of the grid and. they're like if you're okay with us. testing on you pig come over here. basically and the pig will go in there. and then they will take control of the. pig's leg and they will like start. playing around with it like. making the pig yeah so this right here.

um so all those movements right there. the pig's leg are them um they're doing. it so um and this is just the beginning. obviously so this this flexor movement. it's saying it's saying and the pig is. lifting its leg up unconsciously it's. not doing it on its own nope they're. they're doing it. all dude how long before they can hijack. people for the CIA can hack into you. yeah I know right that's like I mean. that is the ultimate fear of human.

beings becoming cyborgs is that we're. we're going to be subject to all the. problems that our computers and our. phones have with malware and spy wear. and yeah I mean people people ask me all. the time if this thing can be hacked and. short answer is yes um but at this point. at least hacking this wouldn't really do. much um you might be able to see like. some of the brain signals you might be. able to see some of the data that nural. Link's collecting and then you might be. able to control my cursor on my screen.

and make me look at weird stuff but. that's about it I guess you could go in. and like look through look through my. like messages emails something like that. but I'd also have to be like connected. already so if I'm not connected to my. computer or anything you can't get in. there on your own um so it would have to. be a time when I am on it and you are. able to hack it and then you're giving. it basically a guide book on how to ruin. your life it's going to crank up the. volume and put gay porn on full blast. meatspin.com um yeah I mean it it it is.

what it is it is what it is yeah I think. if it happens it happens I've it's. something that they had to tell me about. before I got into the study like this is. possible but I'm not worried about it. what kind of a piece of [ __ ] would they. be to hack your brain get the [ __ ] out. of here people there's plenty of Bankers. out there stealing money go concentrate. on. them I've you know along that line it's. something I've thought a lot about um. with like doing interviews and stuff is.

like some of the people that I've done. interviews with interviews with I'm like. are they going to try to attack me to. get to like Elon Musk or something are. they going to say things about me um or. like you know try to do like a getcha on. me Goa sort of thing yeah um and. everyone that I've talked to about that. they would just like they would have to. be the scum of the earth to try to do. that to you but we'll see hasn't. happened yet maybe uh maybe someone will. oh there's some scummy people out there. they'll give it a go yeah especially if. they think it can go viral yeah yeah. it's uh it's become in fashion to.

criticize Elon Musk yeah I've already. had some people who just the way that. they're interviewing me is just so I. don't know it gives me gives me the. heebie jeebies like I can tell they're. trying to get me to say things I'm just. like no so what do you think they're. trying to do are they just trying to. entac well see here's a thing that about. interviewing that's kind of that a lot. of people don't. know when you're used to talking to. people like I talk to a lot of people. used to talk to people if I just meet. them this is me if I was at store buying.

food this is me everywhere I can be me. but I'm it's because I'm used to it but. a lot of people when they sit down they. know they're going to be on camera. they've never been on camera before and. they get very nervous and I that's why I. like to talk to people before the show. just kind of hang out a little get you. chilled out I'm just a person you're. just a person we're going to just talk. it's going to be easy man I'm I'm your. friend we're going to have a good time. some people don't want to do that they. want to do the opposite so they want to.

sit there with a clipboard and they want. to like look at you in a condescending. way and they're they it's like a little. bit of a power move yeah and what. they're trying to do is make salacious. content that's all they're trying to do. that's their job their job is different. than a person who just wants to have a. conversation and ask questions which is. my job their job is to make something. dramatic happen that's going to be. shared on Tik Tok yeah you know that's. they're barely in the news business. anymore what they're kind of in in is.

the clip business viral clip business M. they're just they're farming viral Clips. so if they can say something ridiculous. and maybe you'll say something back and. that'll become the gotcha oh he claps. back yeah yeah it's something like like. I'm not nervous talking to people I've I. never have been I've never had stage. fright I think people are people I think. I'm pretty good with people I am not. weird about interacting with others um I. think. because of my mom my mom's like the.

friendliest person in the world so I. grew up just being able to walk up to. someone on the street and start a. conversation if I wanted to um and so. then I can obviously tell things when. people are interviewing me like what. they're trying to get from me right um I. like just the way that they ask. questions the tone of their voice like. hey I'm your friend like open up to me. and it's it's like so insincere I know I. know uh it's just not it's not well you. know that's the business they're in you.

know yeah if you work for a tire store. you're trying to sell tires that's their. business you know you need new tires do. I really you know their business is. talking [ __ ] and making things you know. it's just it's a bad format most of. those media interviews are bad formats. because it's a very limited amount of. time and you have to have a clip that. fits in between. commercials and also that they're not. free they have Executives and there's. too many people that get in there and. just you the person talking to you.

should just be talking to you and they. should have an understanding of what you. do and how it happened and what this is. all about what is what this means for. future people you know it shouldn't be. like going after Elon Musk everyone's so. goddamn political right now it's so. weird they even making apolitical people. political it's just uh so to connect you. to that it's just so stupid yeah what. what you are is like I said I think if. there's a movie about the future of the. very first people that has used this.

kind of technology and we're learning. that these people are getting better at. it and they're and now with the use of. AI I mean who knows what's going to be. possible with you just in a few years. yeah it's very exciting it is very. exciting I know a lot of people are. really nervous about it um and. understandably so I'm one of them I'm. nervous yeah I I've heard I've heard a. little bit of what you've said about it. and like I don't have. like good arguments against it not like.

I can come on here and be like Joe don't. worry man like I'm I'm here to help. don't worry about it I would say that's. a computer in your brain talking let me. let me into to your computer your phone. I'll show you there's no big deal I'm. your friend Joe um no but I I get it at. the same time the way I look at it is. like how much it's going to be able to. help people how much it's going to be. able to help people like me at the. beginning at least like I know a lot of. this is like down the road stuff like. you know what it's going to do two.

normal people who um who get this. they're going to be able to be hacked or. controlled or something um but for me I. think about it like how many people who. are paralyzed don't have to be paralyzed. anymore how many people with. disabilities ALS or um you know. Alzheimer's or any of these who are. blind how many people are going to be. able to live their lives again and. that's my goal at the beginning I know. that I feel like people are going to. look at me and say like I really need to.

be more concerned about a lot of the. like things coming down the road and. it's something that I'm trying to think. more about because at some point people. are going to ask and I don't have good. answers for it because all I'm thinking. about is you know like I want to help. people and I feel like this is going to. help people and that's what I'm focused. on so well I think your perspective is. probably the right one because no one. knows what's coming yeah no one and you. can be freaked out about it like I am. but I'm sometimes freaked out about but. other times I'm just sort of resigned to.

the fact that this is just the existence. that we find oursel in this is our. timeline we we live in a very strange. timeline and it's it's happening at a. very very very rapid rate and no one has. a map of the future it's not possible. it's just all guess it's. completely it it is like an ant trying. to figure out how to operate an iPhone. there's it's not we don't have it yeah. whatever it is whatever it's going to be. it's going to be and and you're not. going to stop it now it's we are a.

runaway train let's just hope we're. going to a cool spot yeah I know right I. mean you look at a 100 years ago like. there's no way they could have imagined. what our world would be like now no so. and I have a feeling the next 5 to 10. years is going to be a lot bigger than. that yeah I mean exponential growth yeah. so well it's just once this stuff goes. live it's just it's going to be really. weird it's going to be really weird but. along the way we're going to solve a lot. of the problems that I mean look if I.

have uh I've had three knee surgeries. two ACL reconstructions if I lived 100. years ago I'd be a [ __ ] yeah you know. just how it is my knees would be. destroyed I wouldn't be able to walk. good yeah and now I can do anything it's. that's just medical technology and. understanding of the human body. implementation of this kind of device. that can allow you to move your body and. can as you were saying earlier um you. can bring back eyesight to some people. this is something that they really are.

hopeful for mhm have they done any of. that on animals yet um I'm not sure I. know that what uh the plan is like they. did a talk about it a while ago um on. like a showand tell they basically show. how. um like the how The neuralink Works in. my brain would be very very similar you. would just uh take you would you would. like activate certain parts of the brain. or um behind the eye uh the part of the.

brain the part of the eye that um. dictate sight and stuff you would. activate certain things in order to. display what's going on around the world. to someone to the back of someone's eye. to their retina whatever it is I don't. know much about it but they have done it. um oh they did it with uh monkeys. actually yeah so there's a video of um. them lighting up parts of a screen and. uh they have like basically an ey. tracker in the monkey and so the monkey. will look to different parts of the.

screen and um uh like wherever they've. lit up on the brain basically so. whatever is going what whatever implant. they have in the brain they will like. light up somewhere on the brain and it. then they'll light it up on the screen. and the monkey will look there and then. at some point they stop lighting it up. on the screen and they're just lighting. it up in the monkey's brain and the. monkey still looks there wow so yeah so. they know that they can do these sorts. of things um and yeah it's it's amazing. I know that there are other companies.

that have done something similar to this. too um with like giving people uh like. helping people with their eyesight I. know one of them like went under which. was it was just a wild story basically. about a company who had implanted things. and people and the company went under. and then the people in the study were. like well what do we do now um and they. didn't know if they were just going to. like continue that's one of the things. about like yeah yeah I should mention. that the blindsight Imp plant is already. working in monkeys resolution will be.

low at first like early Nintendo. Graphics but ultimately May exceed. normal human Vision holy [ __ ] also no. monkey has died or been seriously. injured by a neuralink device look at. that March 21st by a neuralink device. right but they did have to kill the. monkeys that they originally did studies. on right yeah do you know much about. like studying with animals and stuff. like that yeah you have to kill them to. find out what damage you've done to them. yeah yeah exactly well like basically. all all animals that um are in studies.

at some point get I think they have a. really terrible term for it I think they. call them call it sacrificed so they. like sacrific that's satanic yeah it's. come up with the new work guys right I. know right um in this day and age. there's a lot of [ __ ] fear of it's. not a great it's not a great um ter for. their cause we could have worked on that. one yeah I know right put a little bit. more thought into it um so yeah they do. that have to like you said learn. something from the monkeys um from the.

animals that they're testing on so some. of them they will um you know let live. longer some of them they'll uh implant. something in and then sacrifice almost. immediately to see because they have to. know what it's doing short-term. medium-term. long-term um so basically all animals. and all animal testing get sacrificed at. some point I don't know how true that is. because obviously a lot of them um once. they're done with the study that they're. in they let go live if it wasn't too. invasive if they don't need to like.

study any part of them that would need. to be killed for um but if you're going. to study the brain if you're going to. study the brain then there's really no. other way you got to get in um so then. and then there was the whole like um. report that came out about all the. terrible things that neuralink was doing. to monkeys I've talked to the people I. got to meet them um the people who were. working directly with the monkeys those. monkeys have the best Animal Facility in. the world someone like came in and built. it um like basically they're going.

around now that person is going around. and changing how other um like Labs. treat their monkeys like for the better. so they're going they're like. revolutionizing the world of like animal. testing basically so neuralink treats. their animals better than anywhere else. and then the report that came out and. said like all these terrible things that. were happening with animals it it's it's. skewed because all the things that they. brought up were just um it was all of.

the bad like basically anything bad that. happens to um uh the monkey has to be or. any of the animals has to be reported. and gets reported in this um like you. know XYZ format of this is what's going. on with the monkey this is what happens. what we think happened we had to kill. the monkey yes or no um but none of the. other things get reported at all none of. the time between like if it's 5 years. that the monkeyy alive and one bad thing. happens then there's a report about that. one bad thing happened to the monkey and.

you compile all that and like look at. all these terrible things that are going. on with the monkeys but it's just not. really true um interesting yeah well. it's a tough one because some people. don't think any study should go on with. animals at all yeah yeah and so for them. everything that happens to an animal in. captivity for a scientific purpose is is. evil you know I get it I get it from. their perspective yeah I get it you know. they call us speciesists cuz we're. willing to do things to monkey that we. you know aren't there like a lot of evil.

people in the world we could practice. on you know I mean I mean I don't want. to give anyone any ideas but right it's. ter that's a terrible thing to say. shouldn't do that but an innocent monkey. it's. fine very weird I mean monkeys do. terrible things to us too and they do. provoked you know or if they live in. urban neighborhoods where they rely on. tourists and they steal their phones for. food and attack people yeah they're. they're [ __ ] yeah they can be [ __ ]. I mean I saw I saw a story of a monkey.

who basically tore some kids face off in. his I think he was like outside of the. village or in his village and uh the. whole story was about how they were. doing reconstructive surgery on the kid. and like making him look a bit more. normal again but that's terrifying. monkeys are unbelievably strong there's. a video of a guy uh sitting on the. ground cross-legged and a monkey hops on. his shoulder and then the guy's like. thinking it's cute and smiley and then. the monkey just decides to take a. massive chunk of his scalp off. just bites down on his head and just.

takes like a football siiz chunk of. scalp off this dude's head it's horrible. just decided for no reason unprovoked. wow you know Mony lives in a rough. neighborhood he had a hard he had a hard. life he's not out there just you know. picking fruit this is it so this dude is. just sitting here with his monkey is. like sitting on his lap and he's like. talking to the monkey he's like Hello Mr. Monkey say something bad about look he. doesn't seem like he's bummed out about. the monkey now watch what the monkey. does oh jeez.

yo ouchy Wawa is that his skull I hope. that was okay was his brain skull no not. that I mean that would have to be a. chunk of skull right it but it was the. skin it pulled I mean that's gone that's. gone forever yikes no thanks ouch yeah. gross but you know a monkey again. probably had a hard life yeah you know. sure we need his monkey life reform yeah. right I think um when we're looking at.

uh these kind of scientific experiments. on animals a lot of people are going to. have a problem with yeah but I I W I. wonder through with new technology if. that's even going to be necessary. anymore if they'll in the future. particularly with the leaps that are. going to be made with AI I wonder if. they're going to be able to just be able. to map out a study you know like. understand the interactions between. human beings and these devices and be. able to map out the possibilities and. prob prob abilities without having to do. that yeah you would think so I but who.

knows yeah it makes sense it makes sense. I feel like at the beginning they would. probably need to do like that along with. a study on a human so they might run say. simulations a million times on what you. know an AI simulation on what how this. would interact with a human but then. they would have to go in and do it to. see how true the like simulations are. and then depending on how accurate they. are then maybe they could just go fully.

to that but if it ends up being. different then yeah I have a feeling. they're going to be able to replace. Parts with artificial Parts too like. like the eyeball itself I was just. thinking about that the other day like. how complex like look how small these. little cameras are on phones little tiny. ass cameras but one of these can do a. 100x zoom yeah you know one of these is. 200 megapixels this little tiny thin. thing like what's to say that they. wouldn't be able to come up with. something that works way better than the. human eye well you could zoom in yeah.

just like a phone just like zoom into. something like but have like a real. optical zoom yeah I just hope they don't. give him red. retinas that would be creepy yeah I know. Terminator style yeah I know it's just. seems like they could do better yeah it. would be very weird talking to someone. with two fake eyes it'd be it'd be weird. if you couldn't even tell you probably. wouldn't trust them anymore right. because you kind of like look into. someone's eyes you know you find out if.

they're cool like if you're just looking. into these lenses you're like are you. even in there anymore yeah I'm just. trusting that you're still there it's. like talking to someone with sunglasses. on forever you know you never what's. going on there man yeah what are you. looking at that is a weird thing that we. look through the eye you know it's the. old expression the windows to the soul. yeah I mean you can you can tell right. sometimes looking at people you look in. their eyes you're like Ang dude. like that like I'm saying maybe at some.

point you wouldn't even be able to tell. which is also something to think about. like like if you wouldn't be able to. tell someone had robot eyes like just. look like a normal person right but. that's a real part of how we interact. with each other it's like facial. expressions like figuring each other out. just by like how you your eyes are. looking at me MH oh man well it's not. like you distrust someone because they. have like a glass eye or something no. not a glass eye but yeah they got like. little red lights moving around inside.

their head maybe that's the only way it. works it has to make a little. noise especially when you're alone with. them oh man all through the night little. little mov during rapid eye movement in. the night like while you're sleeping. yeah I mean I'm sure they've worked. there wasn't there some sort of a study. where they were trying to develop an. artificial eye I got a uh whether or not. this is I'm trying to find out how real. it is I got one guy who has a 3D printed. eye 3D printed eye got a camera in it or.

something I'm trying to find and it oh. that doesn't it hook up to his tooth. that I don't that there's two things I'm. seeing here they figured out a way to. allow people to see things through their. teeth yeah I've seen that yeah I don't. get it I don't get it yeah I'm not going. to get that one yeah there's not enough. time in the world for me to figure that. out thank God for smart people I know. right I mean how are they getting it. through the. tooth I don't know I'm I'm trying to.

both of them the 3D printed eye here's. the one guy first guy he's a director. shot himself in the ey on accident oh yo. guess he's got a camera in there it says. and he sees through the camera that I. was trying to get to yeah it's got a. transmitter I don't know if it's going. to his brain but he can see it on a c he. oh so he can see it on a phone yeah. that's kind of weird maybe that's the. first step and they need to that guy. would make the weirdest POV porn. is this made in like the 90s it's not.

new and yes 12 years. ago looks like you're playing that on a. Game. Boy it's not a game boy but it's some. sort of a proprietary little electronic. video player H yeah amazing times yeah. so what is next in terms of like how. long does this study that you're on a. blind woman sees with tooth in eye. surgery doctors in Florida restore a. women's site by implanting a tooth in. her eye that's different no but I think.

that's how they do it okay that is that. is the thing that's I was saying like. through your teeth but I mean that's. that is how they do it uh Team of. Specialists University of Miami Miller. School of Medicine announced Wednesday. that they're the first surgeons in the. United States to restore a person's. sight by using a tooth the procedure is. formerly called modified Osteo odonto. katop kerat Kat prosthesis sorry uh. Karen K Thorton 60 went blind 9 years. ago from a rare disorder called Steven.

Johnson syndrome the disorder left the. surface of her eyes so severely scarred. she was legally blind but doctors. determined that the inside of her eyes. were still functional enough that she. might one day see with the help of this. thing uh this is a patient where the. surface of the eye was totally damaged. no wetness no tears Dr Victor L Perez. the opthalmologist at the baskam Palmer. Eye Institute at the University of Miami. who operated on Thorton so we kind of. recreate the environment of the mouth in. the eye what I don't get that.

three-phase operation started with the. University of Mii dentist Dr yo sarti sa. sawatari Who removed the tooth from. Thorton's mouth and prepared an implant. of her own Dental tissue for a most. severely damaged eye the tissue would be. used to make a new cornea to replace the. damaged one the doctors then remove a. section of Thorton's cheek that we. become the soft mucus tissue around her. pupil whoow finally Perez and his team. planted the modified tooth which had a. hole drilled through the center to.

support a prosthetic lens we used that. tooth as a platform to put the optical. cylinder into the eye explained Perez. Perez said doctors often use less risky. and less invasive techniques to replace. corneus but the damage from Thorton's. Steven Johnson syndrome ruled those out. whoa using a tooth might sound strange. but it also offers an advantage because. doctors used Thorton's own cheek and. tooth tissue she faces less risk that. her immune system will attack the tooth. and reject the transplant patients.

getting a cordate transplant from a. deceased donor on the other hand face. chances that their immune system will. reject the new tissue wow yeah wow yeah. I for some reason I thought they were. using that tooth to like I don't know. use it as a replacement for like her. vision in some way but it's literally. just a placeholder for like you know. different different things like the. tissue and different places to like like. they said Hold That lens and stuff that. makes more sense yeah I thought it was. that too I thought they were seeing. through the teeth yeah yeah I was like.

that doesn't I don't get that no that. makes more sense like why can't we see. through our teeth all the time be. looking at what's going on in my mouth. right yeah um all this stuff is it it's. it's just mind-blowing to imagine where. this is going to be in a hundred years. yeah and with you uh do you have the. like if they start doing the range of. motion studies or the. uh being able to recreate motion or. restore motion are you going to be.

available for those studies to can they. can you do that too or are you. only like locked into this one study. yeah I don't know uh I imagine I'm. locked into this uh for now at least but. at the same time um I'm not sure I'm. really not sure you would have to do it. with someone who already has the implant. in their brain so I don't know if it'll. be a separate neuralink that they would. need um like a different one. specifically for. um like the two implants interacting.

together I don't see why that would be. the case um just like the same thing. with people who they're going to have to. test to see if the surgery to replace a. neuralink is uh safe at some point. they're going to have to go through a. whole thing so they're going to have to. do it on people who already have it in. um so I imagine like that sort of study. might be something I would be involved. in if they're planning on implanting one. in someone's spinal cord and then seeing. how they interact and seeing if it works. I don't see why I couldn't be in that um. but we'll see it's kind of a long way.

off I think how big is the the neurolink. implant it's about the size of a quarter. um and it's m it's thicker than a. quarter um I don't know maybe half an. inch something like that thick and does. it you it's on the. surface yeah it's implanted on my schull. so they cut out a chunk of my school I. think it's called the craniectomy and. then they left that chunk out and just. replaced it with the neur do they take. that chunk and like put it in the. freezer so they can put it back in you. someday yeah I I'm not sure I don't.

think so I oh talking about it yeah. talking about it afterwards um that's it. yep yo that's in your head I was talking. about it with my buddy afterwards and I. was like I should have asked them for my. chunk of skull that would have been. sweet yeah I don't think they're allowed. to give that to people yeah I think. that's like bio waste or something like. that I think it's biohaz I know it. should it definitely should be. they give people their testicles back so. right but it has to be in like form.

Malahide or something okay so let's take. your skull and put it into form Malahide. that's f as long as I can have it um how. many versions did they go through before. they got to the one where they were. willing to do it on people uh a lot I. saw like from their very first uh idea. of neuralink through this one I don't. know I I don't know how exactly how many. there were I would say at least um one. or two dozen uh different like. iterations um yeah and then like the.

version I have is like thousands in like. the Thousand or 2000th iteration of um. this one so like they're constantly. changing stuff so like even the next. person that gets it they've probably. made I don't know a thousand more. modifications to it um little things. just like if they've seen certain. certain things in my implant they could. improve on um obviously they're going to. change how the threads uh work um.

they're going to add more electrodes. they're going to maybe update the. battery they might update a lot of. things they're looking at updating what. signal it uses instead of Bluetooth um. they're looking at different things like. that so the next one that comes in is. probably going to be much different. maybe the same design maybe they found a. better design I don't know wow and I. know in the future they've talked about. putting this into people that don't have. any issues medically mhm what are they.

planning on doing that like how are they. planning on that do you know what do you. mean how like in terms of like is that. going to just be offered for you going. to get like what are the long-term goals. is it to get the internet on that is. that people communicate telepathically. is it going to be like a slow build up. to the idea that everyone is going to. want to get one of these things I think. once it's proved so like this this study. is to prove whether or not it's safe and. if it works basically I think once. that's proven then they're going to get.

into a lot more of what it's actually. capable of and then once it's release to. the public I think I think people are. going to rush to get it honestly um at. least a group of people who have been. following it at the very least because. once we know that it's safe then that's. one of the big things that people are. going to like once that's lifted once. they like okay it's safe now we can go. through and start talking about being. able to communicate with people and. being able to you know Poss possibly. download information or have it be. available to you um using Ai and stuff.

like that I'm not sure if that's going. to happen I don't see why it's not. possible at the very least and then they. I know nerling is talking about opening. up a clinic in Austin basically where. you would go in and get a surgery and. like walk out um so it's not like like. my surgery was like I don't want to say. not invasive cuz obviously they did. brain surgery but um it was they were. expecting it to be you know something. like 3 to 6 hours and my surgery took.

under 2 hours it went super super fast. uh there were no complications at all it. was not um like obviously invasive in. the brain but there was no damage done. really so uh and this was the very first. time so once they get this even better. even more tuned in then I imagine people. go into this clinic and go in and come. out in a few hours with the nurlink and. then they can chat with other friends. online or something else. Jesus it' be pretty cool it'd be pretty. cool again I'm not I'm not here to talk.

about like the ethical ramifications of. that or like how how it's fun to think. about like the things that um might go. wrong or could go wrong and it's. probably something that people much. smarter than me should think about. whether or not it should be done but um. I think there are so many things that uh. you could do with it I think it's going. to be done no matter what and if it's. not done by link it's going to be done. by someone in another country yeah it's.

going to be done technology always moves. forward it never stops over concerns of. what could possibly go wrong hence the. nuclear bomb yeah yeah it's not going to. stop yeah it's just not what we do we we. we always try to come up with greater. things and if someone does figure out a. way to connect human beings to some form. of wireless internet or wireless data or. some completely new thing instead of. thinking it as the inter as we know it. being these devices that go to websites. it might be a completely different.

invention that uses a completely. different type of technology to sync all. the information and all the minds in the. world together you it might not be as. Dopey as going to a website like going. to a website is probably like an archaic. way to do it yeah you like it'll be like. the cloud or met the metaverse or. something you just hop in and everyone. will be there you can go chat with. whoever want around the world and they. can just upgrade your operating system. and make you woke yeah exactly right he.

sign up for the wrong one the next thing. you know you get some way way crazy. ideas yeah propaganda will take new. Leaps and Bounds right but then who's. running it like that what are is it one. person and everybody else as a robot. like that doesn't make any sense what. they'll try I'm sure someone's going to. want to run it all someone is going to. want to run it yeah it's going to need. to be hopefully they by that point they. will regulate it but as we've seen with. like you know things like AI art even. they're trying to catch up with that.

it's like oh should we should we have. like thought about this before all this. was released and like no government will. figure it out yeah good luck with that. right yeah well they're able to scour. the internet for every artist's work and. then sort of take pieces of that and. create art and these these artists are. like hey you know that took me [ __ ]. forever to paint that like and you just. stole it and did a version of it in 13. seconds y weird yeah yeah and that's. just one problem another problem is deep.

fakes and songs like they made a Drake. song that became a hit and Drake had. nothing to do with it yeah like it's not. that not that far away from it being out. of the barn where you're not going to be. able to ever stop you're not going to be. able to you're going to be able to do. whatever you want in terms of like. creating videos audios and it'll look. indistinguishable from a real video real. audio yeah they're already to take this. podcast and translate it into different. languages without me being able to speak.

speak them just through AI yeah yeah I. mean I think they did the same thing. with the Deep fake like you were just. saying I think they did something with. like Trump recently where it was like a. deep fake of trump and after a while he. had to be like hey guys that wasn't me. wasn't there uh was there a football. player that was saying some wild [ __ ]. that turned out to be fake or a. basketball player yeah that too did you. hear about this Jamie depends on exactly. what you're talking about but there's a. bunch of fake press conferences that go. viral yes that's what I'm talking about. thing someone's doing I don't. know yeah but apparently it was just.

barely wacky enough for people to go. that looks fake you have to be very. sophisticated if you saw this I mean. we're getting used to looking for things. being fake whereas 20 years ago you. would say that's real yeah I see it it's. a video it's real it's something that I. was actually just talking with my buddy. about the other day I think it's going. to be something similar to you know how. like we get emails from Nigerian princes. and we're like we're like yeah like. grandma don't open that don't send them. money it's not real uh I think it's.

going to be something that people are. able to do like the next Generations. where they look at something online and. they're like oh yeah that's AI oh yeah. that's fake but yeah I think you're. right yeah they're just they're going to. grow up with it so they're going to be. able to figure out but maybe not this. stuff looks so real that I don't know. but maybe they're going to have to be. required to do like watermarks or. something on it every time I don't think. they're going to be able to stop it I. think we're just going to get into a. real weird blurry Place mhm I think the. one thing that might.

help and this sounds crazy but M I think. ultimately what technology. does is closes it makes things more. accessible it gets you more information. it connects people more it's with. translation it's connecting people from. different cultures and different. countries. more I think ultimately what it's going. to do is it's going to be some sort of a. mind interface I don't think it's going. to be as simple as language I think it's.

going to be a next level mind interface. and if it's something through a. technology akin to to neuralink or maybe. future versions of neuralink I think. we're we're going to be able to know. what someone's actually thinking I think. you're not going to be able to lie. anymore is what I'm saying I I don't. think lying is going to be possible a. 100 years from now which would be a. really good thing and if you're a person. right now that lives your life without. lying you know this this is way better. as a person who used to lie and doesn't. lie ever now I'll tell you right now. it's great I love it it's it's a good.

thing to not lie and if you live your. life in this manner where there cannot. be deception how much more would we get. done how much more would we understand. each other in in relationships and and. if you're bullshitting you'll understand. that you're bullshitting by the way. another person sees your thoughts and. then you'll be forced to handle those. and go you know what I'm trying to put. this off on other people and it's really. me I'm the problem you'll be able to see.

it everyone will be able to see reality. instead of these sort of manufactured. narratives that people have with this. very selective view of memory and their. thoughts of the past and you know my. boss did me wrong no you were a [ __ ] up. you showed up late every day like you. know [ __ ] they [ __ ] hated me no. you were super insecure and real shitty. around people you know it's like you'll. see we'll we'll we'll be able to solve a. lot of our soci social issues that seem. insurmountable because of poor. communication but poor and a lack of.

honesty a lack of real honest. conversations instead of just people. trying to win arguments yeah yeah that'd. be great uh until people realize that. you know maybe you don't need to lie. exactly maybe you can find ways to work. around having to lie with this thing if. you can't lie anymore if you're not. allowed to I mean people find ways to. kind of sort of lie all the time and and. also if you can hack it and then you're. able to lie and no one else is then that.

becomes kind of an issue too if in some. way you are able to like jailbreak your. neuralink so you can't lie anymore and. then you're the only one lying. everyone's going to believe you and they. think that you can't lie and then that. brings up a whole new world of. problems my my eyes you're seeing right. into the thoughts oh I see I don't think. you have a chance to lie I don't think. there's any there's not that doesn't. exist anymore I think I think it goes. away. and hence leaders go away that's going. to be a real problem we're going to have.

to have actual understanding of all the. different processes that are in play. whether it's environment or resources or. you know intercountry conflicts whatever. the [ __ ] is going on we're going to have. a we have to have a real understanding. of it without politicians bullshitting. us on as to why we're going to do. something that won't exist anymore that. would be wild they would be the ones. that would resist it the most they like. we this dangerous mind reading. technology like [ __ ] Nancy bow you to. have a press.

conference I mean I I just think of. something like that ever came about they. would never let it happen I don't think. they have a choice cuz China will do it. Russia will do it everyone will do it. someone's going to do it all these. Eggheads out there that are willing to. push that but they're not going to. listen to the government shut the [ __ ]. up the government is just a bunch of. people the the super nerds out there are. the ones who are really in charge of. this stuff because even we're seeing. this with with technology and some of. these hearings on AI the people that are. asking the questions don't know what the. [ __ ] is going on yeah you know and I'm.

sure you saw that with uh some of the. Facebook hearings and some of the other. hearings the people that are actually. asking about the tech how much time do. you have to get into the understanding. of this how much time between worrying. about water rights in your district and. this and and all these other problems. that you have as a politician how much. time are you actually spending trying to. figure out how social media works yeah. probably none they just have AIDs that. are giving them. that's why they have pieces of paper and. they're looking down the reading glasses. now Mr Zuckerberg my phone doesn't go to.

Google right why is that fing these like. grandpas who argue on Facebook like. they're they're not going to be the. people that control Ai and they're not. going to be the people that are going to. be able to figure out how to stop mind. reading technology I think when mind. reading technology comes it's going to. come so fast that it's going to be just. like all these other things like the. internet it came so fast they couldn't. control it cuz if you if you looked at. the internet if you looked at what what. the internet has done for like a.

distrust in mainstream media distrust in. politicians exposing corruption all the. different things that we know about now. that are a fact that just 20 years ago. you would have thought been crazy. conspiracy talk if they knew that that. was going to happen and make life so. much more difficult for them they would. have regulated the internet from the. jump they would have stopped stepped in. took over like China did took over like. North Korea did and you would get their. version of the internet forever and. that's it and there's no growth and. there and they'll silence dissidence and. that's how they would have done it if.

they had ever known that it was going to. be what it is now mhm I think that's. exactly what's going to happen with mind. reading software and mind reading. technology I think it's going to happen. they're going to be oh Jesus Christ I. don't think you know and. also look they're just human beings too. they're going to want that yeah if they. find out there's a technology that. allows you to communicate with people in. a completely new way and it's much more. fulfilling and we understand each other. much better we really do realize that we.

are all one imagine if we can. communicate with this technology and it. ends War overnight yeah it makes War. literally impossible you realize that. these people that you're about to bomb. are you and that we're all the same. thing we're all one Consciousness. experiencing itself through different. bodies and different lives and different. experiences and different genes and. different parts of the world but we're. all genuinely the same thing yeah yeah I. don't know it brings up a lot of. questions like where we would go from.

there though like how it's going to. change that's when the aliens land the. aliens land we figure it out oh finally. oh man yeah were if that's what it takes. to bring aliens down then I'm all for it. if that's if that's what it takes to. really get us to be face to face the. only thing I keep telling my buddy is. like I I am all down for the whole like. aliens comeing us interacting with them. and everything as long as they're not. the mants if they're the Mantis people I. I don't want anything to do with them I. think that you know I just don't want it.

I'm with you bro yeah [ __ ] the Mantis. people can you imagine if mantises were. like the size of a dog we'd be so [ __ ]. we'd be so [ __ ] one of the most. gangster videos I've ever seen online is. like a gecko and the gecko's trying to. eat the Mantis and the gecko walks up to. the Mantis and and tries to get it and. the Mantis is like not today [ __ ] I'm. going to eat you oh my gosh and the. gecko is like what is happening you can. see look at its face it's like so. confused and it's got its claws these.

[ __ ] these giant things wrapped. around and controlling just just starts. eating its face yep mantis scissor like. insects themselves like you look really. get up close to an insect you're like. that thing is ugly I do not like it one. bit now imagine that and the things I've. heard about the mants is they're not the. size of a dog they're like the size of. like multiple people and no thanks like. absolutely not the the Mantis aliens I'm. not too familiar with I've seen like a. couple things online how many people. have seen the Mantis aliens yeah I know.

of one story where there was a hunter um. just walking around and um it got like. dark over him or something and he looked. up uh and there was just like a ship. over him and he looked through his scope. and he looked right into some like. mantis people and um yeah and I'm not. okay with that like that's the that's. the one alien story I think I'll stay. far away from and hope it's else well. you got to think. that insects have some kind of bizarre.

intelligence because that's if you've. ever seen leaf cutter ant colonies when. they they pour the cement in them and. you realize like how sophisticated they. are like how do you guys do this like. how do you figure this out there's like. they have channels where the air can. pass through the so they can ferment. leaves so they have like a fermentation. Factory inside their ant colony and the. colony is huge yeah it's so big and you. like you little tiny [ __ ] built a. City Underground right here there's got.

to be some sort of intelligence now if. ants evolved to the point where they. develop that kind of intelligence who's. to say that in a different environment. where ants have more accesses to food. more access to resources and more. competition that they don't evolve to. the point where that intelligence it. keeps getting scaled up and they get to. like a human human level intelligence. from an insect or Beyond MH why not yeah.

they just need some psychedelics or. something to really get that brain to. grow or a neuralink yeah right that's. what I have a feeling I have a feeling. that in the future everyone's going to. be some sort of a cyborg and everyone. else is going to be artificial that. there'll be complete life forms that. were developed just with computers just. complet like computers technology. whatever ever form of chips and and. they'll put together things that are.

more intelligent than us can communicate. with us can work with us but that's. going to be one of those things it's not. going to be one of us and that'll be a. different life form that exists. alongside with us but I don't think. there'll be very many people like me no. chip no nothing just a person like like. what is that more on doing you're. running around with no chip you know I. think in the future it's going to be. everyone's going to have something that. enhances them we already do with our. phones yeah you know yeah it's it's.

going to be something like beyond that. where it's going to be so compelling. that everyone's going to want to do it. so you're not going to get it if it. comes out I'm not saying I'm not going. to get it I might get. it I might have I don't want to be alone. yeah I want to be the only person who. can't read mines um I probably wouldn't. want to be the first adopter you know. yeah I want to wait a little bit yeah. that that was an argument that I had. with doing this was do I really want to. be the first I mean who knows what kind.

of problems there's going to be but but. for a guy like you I would say. like they they're pretty sure it works. and they were right yeah you know and. how cool was it the first day to be able. to play video games yeah it was awesome. it was really did you play um uh. civilization 6 I don't know I don't know. if you've heard of it it's a massive. game it's something I've been wanting to. play for a long time I was able to kind. of sort of play it with some different. assist of Technology over the last few.

years but not really and I played it. like all night I didn't sleep it was. freaking awesome um man I just love I. mean I grew up being a gamer I grew up. in kind of this age so the last eight. years I've watched all of my friends. play games that I've wanted to play and. the fact that I might be able to play. some of them like some of them are still. uh too far out of reach for the. neuralink at this point but not for much. longer in the next few years I think. I'll be able to play anything anyone. else plays Halo I love Halo I'm a big.

halo F you going to be able to play that. yeah I hope so I really hope so yeah. that would so you'll be able to play. Shooters like Call of Duty yeah yeah. that's that brings up another thing like. I basically have an Aimbot in my head so. yeah yeah they'll probably have like. different leagues uh for people like me. because it's just not fair um wow is it. that accurate it's that accurate and. it's and it's faster one thing that I. found with the neuralink is something.

that I kind of blew my mind too is that. when I'm attempting to do stuff. sometimes or I'm thinking it to like. move in a certain place sometimes it's. so good that it's moving before I even. like think it to move it's almost like. if you think about moving your hand um. the signal is basically already being. sent before you move your hand. like your your mind is saying okay he's. about to move his hand basically so the. signal needs to be sent all the way down.

and back up in order for for you to move. your hand so the speed that all of that. happens and it's almost a little. preemptive I saw that with a neuralink. where it was moving the cursor before I. was actually moving my hand wow so with. video games stuff like that you just. need to think for it to move somewhere. and it is that accurate and it's quicker. than you can even think so there's no. way it's going to like no one else is. going to be able to keep up with it.

that's going to be wild for something. like Quake like first person like a fast. first person shooter you're running down. hallways and you're just catching people. and shooting them instantaneously Elon. Musk will have a field day wasn't he. like one of the best Quake players in. the world was he yeah I I didn't know. that yeah I think he was like one of the. top Quake players in North America at. one point I don't I wouldn't doubt that. yeah I know he's a gamer I know he gets. addicted to games especially something.

that's that exciting that's going to be. so dope for you man you'll be [ __ ]. people up yeah yeah it'll be cool I'll. just enter tournaments and I won't tell. them I have the Nur link and I'll I. don't know I don't know how I would do. it I guess yeah. but if I'm doing it all online like. might able cool for you to play them in. a tournament like a oneon-one tournament. MH. and [ __ ] up like the best players in the. world wouldn't that be insane yeah I bet.

they would play you just to see yeah for. sure for sure yeah because like there's. tactics and strategy especially if. you're like doing one-on-one Death Match. where you have to know like when the the. health is spawning and when the weapons. are spawning how to control a map MH so. they'll have like a little bit of an. advantage in that but if you just can't. miss I'm pretty good at video games I'm. pretty good getting cocky yeah I like it. yeah I like it now um what about VR has. there been um any sort of uh interface.

that allows you to use like meta's VR or. Oculus no not yet I don't think so like. a lot of what we've done is just the. computer at this point like they're. planning on doing it into phones I did. connect to a Nintendo switch at one. point um I was playing Mario Kart um and. that's something that isn't like too far. off as well for me to just be able to do. that on my own but that's going to be. every console I don't see why VR would. be any different I think at some point. in the study they're going to do it just.

to see if it works I don't see why it. wouldn't I don't the only thing that I. would say is that VR actually requires. physical movement like um there's a. couple games that we have yeah but if if. the brain is already interpreting your. like motor cortex the movement of your. motor cortex then you can just think. move this and it'll move it in VR as. well I think it would work right but. you're actually moving these handles in. VR oh yeah yeah I see what you mean yeah. I see what you mean you know you have. the handles get an Optimus robot and.

then have him have him hold the VR. handles and then you can control that. and he's connected to you yeah whoa it. would be the same yeah bro you're going. to be inside that thing walking. around I'll just type yeah I've always. thought if you know you should give me. an Optimus robot I'll have it get one of. those like baby chest carriers or. something and they can just carry me. around like that and be great you imine. walking down the street with that that's. so you'd accidentally step on people you. ever did you ever watch Dave Chappelle's.

old like show that he did there was a. Chappelle show you mean the Chappelle. show yeah I was on it a couple times I. didn't sorry I didn't no worries um uh. there there was one about home. stenographers um and it's basically like. a little person that they carry around. on one of those carriers on like their. back and it's just like a stenographer. he's typing down everything you say and. I just want something like that like a. little Optimus robot carrying me around. on its back and like a kangaroo pouch. yeah something like that put it right in. the front so you just like be sitting.

there that's what you want you want like. your head on the chest and it's. just yeah man yeah it'd be sick what's. this guy doing the oh there it is. Oher and he just reads back things oh. what you said yeah it's really funny. it's oh I do I do remember that bit now. yeah that would uh like I think the. future is going to be very interesting. and I think there's going to be a lot of. really wild discoveries that build upon. other wild discoveries and stuff like.

neuralink I'm sure there's competing. companies that are doing something. similar right yeah yeah that's what I'm. saying I think that um um like I'm I'm. pretty sure some of the people who have. left neuralink have gone and either. started their own little companies or. have gone to other companies that are. doing something similar I think nural. links advancements now are going to pull. everyone else up I think nurlink will be. at the lead for quite a while but I. don't see why companies that haven't. been able to achieve what Nur link is.

achieving now won't be able to do it in. a year or two time like especially like. I said because neuralink is making. everything so open source and there's. people like me out there who are just. talking about it like willy-nilly that. um I don't see why other companies won't. you know find some way to catch up over. time no for sure I think with them. leading the way and the fact that it's. been implemented and it's been. successful and the fact that they're. already improving upon the software and.

how yours and being able to correct. issues with it MH what is their. timeline like uh in terms of next being. able to use something that allows people. to move that couldn't move restore sight. do they have like a timeline where they. think all yeah I don't know I keep. saying that it's all going to happen in. my lifetime for sure I keep saying that. it's going to happen in the next 10. years 20 years where quadriplegics like. me paralyzed people won't have to be. paralyzed anymore I have this vision of.

someone being paralyzed going into the. hospital getting the neuralink and. walking out like a day or two later. which I think is totally possible um I. think it's going to happen a lot sooner. than later especially how fast all this. is moving and the fact that this is like. successful now um I think it all I don't. know that it would help me per se um. like even though I said it's in my life. time um part about being paralyzed in. quadriplegic is my body is just.

deteriorated so much that even if they. did give me something to like make me. able to move again my body's just so. jacked up at this point that I'm not. sure it would really help that much I. could probably build it back up to a. certain point but even people who have. um recovered or have been part of. studies where they get some movement. back their bodies just don't work the. same because of atrophy because of. atrophy um like one of my you know. ankles is completely jacked up it's like. Twisted the wrong way I have to wear.

this hand brace because if I don't my. fingers are all just like curled up. basically and so like correcting some of. that would take probably some extensive. surgery one of my buddies is like one of. the top um um Ortho surgeons in the. United States so maybe I could just get. him to go in and fix it all um but it. would be a lot and I'm not sure it would. help and atrophy so I don't know but I'm. that doesn't matter to me what matters. is that people won't have to be.

paralyzed in the future like that that's. more like that's worth more than. anything well that's also one of the. legitimate uses of steroids one of the. legitimate uses for steroids is with. people with like muscle wasting disease. and yeah people who like severely. atrophied and that it allows them to. build up tissue better oh yeah maybe. that would help stem cells steroids. going to make you a super human bro yeah. I mean aren't I already one kind of. already are one especially if you're.

playing you Quake I can't wait to see. that that's uh that' be sick now with uh. the future of this stuff um it's going. to uh eventually get to a point where. it's probably like in the beginning it's. probably going to be very difficult to. acquire right like very expensive but. it's probably in the future going to be. much more. accessible when do they like if yours is. if they complete your trial they find it. satisfactory they have like a way to do.

it when will the average person who is a. quadriplegic be able to start being able. to use some of this technology I have no. idea um I know that my study is like the. main part of the study is a year and. then a five years kind of extensive like. followup stuff in the study so once. that's done and however many people I've. I've seen numbers up to like a few. hundred people have it in this five year. um timeline so once all that happens um.

and I don't know what like phase two is. with this uh I would. say 20 years but that's me probably also. being very optimistic I have no idea I. don't know like what the FDA is going to. decide with all this I don't know how. much how many more phases of the trial. need to happen before that I really. couldn't tell you um but honestly I. think it's within my lifetime for sure. and how did they contact you how did you. wind up getting chosen. yeah um oh my buddy's probably out there.

having a freaking heart attack um so. basically what happened was um I knew. nothing about neuralink um I was just. lying in my bed one day and I got a. phone call from my buddy um at like 11. a.m. or something and he uh I answered. the phone I was like what's up and he. was like you know neuralink just open up. their first inhuman trials he's like you.

should apply for this I was like cool. like what is it so he explained it to me. um gave me like a f minute rundown of. what they're doing and stuff and we. applied over the phone um like I just. basically like told him all my. information he applied uh for me um he. spelled my name wrong on the application. which is pretty funny um cuz he was. drunk at the time again on on a on a. Wednesday the middle of the week at like.

11: a.m. he was already wasted respect. um yeah respect to the day drinkers yeah. yeah it was he the his justification for. it is that he was like going to a. wedding that weekend he hadn't drank in. a long time he's like I need to. understand what my tolerance is so he. drank like a whole bottle of Fireball or. something like that just to see like how. he would be um so yeah we we did all. that um and then within like a day or. two they contacted me and then I went.

through about a month-long application. process of different like Zoom. interviews and stuff and then finally. culminating in a like an in-person. interview or in person like full day of. testing where they did like eight hours. of tests on me um like different scans. blood tests urine test things like that. um and then I was just. waiting what was it like when you found. out it was going to be you. uh it was cool it was cool you get an. email did you get a phone call they.

called me they called me for the first. like so I I applied like September late. September September like 19th or. something around that day um a month. later October end of October I had. finished all my testing and interviews. and then I didn't find out they had. chosen me until maybe the end of. November early December and even when. they said they had chosen me they said I. was going to be one of the first um like. three three people that they were doing. for the first part of the study so they. didn't tell me I was going to be the. first um they just said we selected you.

as one of the candidates basically um. and so that was really really cool and. then it was sort of a back and forth of. do I want to be the first do I want to. wait till they have someone else CU. being the first um a lot more risk. obviously and I have the worst version. of the neuralink that's ever going to be. in anyone it's only going to get better. so I was like maybe I'll let someone. else get the first and then I get a. better version than the second or third. one um but ultimately being the first is. cool um it's something that I just.

decided to do uh I was like this this is. the best way I can help to if anything. goes wrong I'd rather it go wrong to me. than passing it up and having someone. else struggle having someone else if. like God forbid anyone like anything bad. happened to someone I would rather had. happened to me and I would rather not. have passed up and watch it happen to. someone else so um decided to do it and. I was like yeah just let me know if I'm. going to be the first or not obviously I. wanted to at that point and then about a.

month later they called and they were. like we're going to do your surgery. you're going to be the first person I. think in December they had told me that. it could be me and they said that we. might end up having you be the first and. it could happen as early as like mid. December and that kind of stressed me. out because I was a little worried that. something bad would happen and I would. have ruined Christmas for my family. forever I was like if this is right. around Christmas and something bad. happens like Christmas is going to be. ruined forever um luckily they waited.

like an extra month and a half U but it. was cool like like I kept pretty level. expectations through the whole thing I. didn't know what was going to come of it. I didn't know if I was going to end up. doing Media or anything it was something. that I talked with my parents about but. it wasn't something that I really wanted. to do per se um I I wasn't wanting to. like get famous or anything from this. there are a couple things that I did. want to do and ultimately that's why I. decided to do media but um yeah it was. cool it was all right you have a very.

Noble and selfless. Outlook have you always had that no no I. I would say being uh paralyzed made. me just rethink a lot. of things in my life a lot of my. perspective I mean one thing about being. paralyzed is there's uh especially being. a quadriplegic that you just have a lot. of time to think I thought through. everything I'd ever done all the.

mistakes I ever made why I was who I was. where I uh like where I was I realized a. lot of things about myself I realized. you know that I wasn't the person who I. thought I was I always built myself up a. certain way and then going back through. all of my interactions with everyone all. the mistakes I made I realized I'm pain. painting a much prettier picture of. myself in my head than who I like. actually was than a lot of the.

interactions I had with people you know. actions speak louder than words and if I. was thinking I was this great person and. then treating people like absolute you. know dog crap basically like then maybe. I'm not as good of a guy as I thought I. was um I realized that I wasn't as good. of a son as I thought I was I wasn't as. good of a boyfriend as I thought I was. and I wasn't as good of a friend like so. I found the reasons why I was doing. these things and I thought about it for.

probably a few years just lying in my. bed staring at walls for you know 8 10. hours a day just thinking. um and eventually I came to this. conclusion that um partly through my. like Faith um my interactions with God. and uh partly just because I wanted to. be better I wanted to be a better person. uh I realized that there were things. that I could do to help and this seemed.

like my best chance honestly. wow that's a wild thing to happen to. someone to have a like a radical shift. in perspective that's forced upon. you. yeah yeah. I I heard you say I I was watching I. can't remember who I was watching you. interview um maybe it was the Tucker. interview maybe it was the um Terence.

Howard interview cuz I just watched. those ones recently and you were talking. about people like people never having. been through anything like extreme. happened to them and so um you know. they're never forced to think certain. ways or they just I don't know they. never grow in certain ways um that's. paraphrasing but it was along those. lines and. I don't know being a quadriplegic is I. kind of make this joke but it's it's.

easier than people think um I mean I. just get waited on uh all the time I get. to lie in bed and watch TV and read. books and people bring me food and bring. me drinks and people do everything for. me like it's really not that bad um but. obviously it was really really hard like. being paralyzed getting all of the. things that I love to do most taken for. me like I was a really big athlete I. played like every sport Under the Sun um. and then not being able to play sports.

anymore was one of the hardest things. that I think I've ever had to go through. um and there were a lot of other things. not having any privacy anymore um like. having to have everyone do any. everything for me like go to the. bathroom having to take a shower with. people having like my parents scrub me. in the shower or having my mom like help. me go to the bathroom like it's just. it's not easy and it's not easy being a. burden to everyone around you and people.

always say like you're not a burden like. like we love you and we would do. anything for you but it like I am I know. I am it's not something that someone's. going to be able to convince me that I'm. not and I understand that they love me. and they're willing to do it but at the. same time like like obviously there are. things that if I could change I would. and I can't so I just have to try my. best to you know do as much as I can for. those around me and this is part of what. I can do I've thought for years like.

what could I possibly do to help and. this is this is it I think as much as I. can I want to do um everything with. neuralink to make things better for. people in the future that's a beautiful. way of engaging with this man it really. is and uh I think uh what happened to. you is tragic but your perspective is. pretty [ __ ] cool it really is it. really is it's it's beautiful to hear. and um I mean I wish you all the best I. really hope that this becomes something.

that allows you to move again and I mean. and that they keep improving upon it and. thank you for risking this and thank you. for being the first guy yeah yeah no. worries um people keep saying a lot of. weird things about me like you know. you're like an Apollo astronaut I don't. see myself that way I know that people. keep saying you're the first you're like. a Pioneer I don't see myself that way at. all um I just think anyone in my. position would have done it I think.

that I guess it took a bit of Bravery I. don't think I I just it I don't see. myself that way I just think that I did. it so um to show people like I did it. because I knew that I could I did it. because I knew that I was capable of. going through it um I did you know. became a quadriplegic and I made it out. the other side like I feel I feel good. about my life I feel like I managed that. pretty well I'm a pretty chill guy so.

feel like I rolled with the punches. pretty well and I thought the same thing. with nurlink so like I never thought of. myself like trailblazing or anything but. um it's just cool to be a part of and. I'm really happy that neuralink chose me. um and I'm looking forward to having. some like cyborg buddies in the future. it'll be cool yeah how long before you. can link those things together. yeah uh I guess we'll find out when they. get the next patient like the next.

participant like maybe a couple months. and we'll be chatting with each other um. I mean I've been you know having. telepathic Communications with pager the. monkey for a few months no one knows. about it but we talk about that kind of. stuff all the time um he's oddly. obsessed with the new plan of of the. Apes movie but couldn't tell you why. what kind of joke is that man you can't. crack jokes like that way I don't know. if you're telling the truth you're. talking to a monkey telepathically no. you're joking yeah see I can tell. because you have human eyes yeah yeah.

exactly yeah are you sure I think you do. okay or they're really good yeah you. know if they could develop an eye just. like artificial intelligence can make. images like pretty [ __ ] close maybe. they can make an eyeball that just. really does kind of like talk to you a. little bit makes you think just know. when someone's bullshitting dude yeah. come on yeah there's no way I talk to. pager at all on a daily basis at. least now I'm thinking you do now I'm.

going the other way with. it yeah it's um it's it's exciting times. it's very interesting um the ability. that you have right now it's limited to. computer interfaces right y um what. about other smart things can you. interact with that like could you. interact with other sort of. electronics have to be not really it's. all through the computer um. just because in order to even interact. with the computer it has to be uploaded. with that app and so that's why like.

putting it on a phone or something you. would just upload the app onto it um any. sort of other devices um there's ways to. like connect to them um so like for me. even with the switch it's through my. computer still but then you run like a. chord from my computer through like a. converter box and then into the um um. into the switch so it's all through the. computer right now I don't think it's. going to be that way forever I think. it's going to be much easier to connect. to other devices in the future.

especially if nurlink takes off like I. think it will then companies will start. just uploading the software onto it. downloading the software onto it so that. way you can um connect to it like it's. going to be one of those things where. like it's Alexa compatible it's nurlink. compatible. right right that makes sense especially. if there's widespread implementation of. this and it turns out to be a real thing. it might be something that someone has. to like you have to have a wheelchair. wrap at certain businesses yeah yeah new. Tesla phone I'm sure he's just going to. build all of that into that all the.

Optimus robots are going to have it. built in do you think he's going to make. a Tesla phone yeah he might I think when. when he said that all they might ban. Apple devices cuz they're going to use. open AI I was like what is going on yeah. I get real nervous when someone way. [ __ ] smarter than me gets nervous. yeah you know when he's saying that if. if AI but basically what he's saying is. I think to paraphrase he's saying that. Apple wasn't smart enough to create. their own artificial intelligence but. they're smart enough to keep artificial.

intelligence from running ramping. through their operating system like I. don't think they are yeah I don't I. don't trust it I don't trust it one bit. but it's going to be in your head bro. yeah yeah when we all going to have to. trust it you know if I had Scarlett. Johansson's voice in my head all the. time I don't think I would mind it would. be dreamy yeah it would it would it. would be okay it would be okay she got a. dreamy voice well listen man thank you. very much for being here thanks for. being you and uh let's do this again.

sometime in the future we can see like. what you know what improvements and and. how it's going hey man absolutely as we. as we move this thing along then I'm. more than happy to come back all right. yeah thank you very much oh do you have. social media or anything where people. can find out what you're up to yeah I. have an ex uh like at moded quad I think. it's called um I have like an Instagram. and stuff and I'm getting other stuff up. and running I'm going to start like. streaming more and stuff so it'll be. it'll be out there you going to stream. yeah yeah I did once I did like kind of. like a test stream I'm about to do.

another test stream probably this week. at some point maybe in the next few days. then I'm going to stream some like video. games and stuff that's great man I think. people would love to see that and love. to hear you talk about your experiences. through this yeah yeah it'll be cool you. got a great perspective man you really. do thank you thank you very much it's a. pleasure to meet you yeah you too right. too all the best thank you very much. goodbye everybody. [Music].