Joe Rogan Experience #2165 - Jack Carr

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day Jack ladies and gentlemen what's up. man good to see you brother what's. happening so good to be here this is. awesome man comedy Mothership amazing. you had a good time so much fun so cool. we had a blast up there and uh everybody. was amazing Ron White came up to say hi. afterward and uh was in that boo.

somebody um her last name lardner so. Kyle lardner is her name and she does uh. uh piano music SS vinyl and she's up. there but she I think her I think she. said her uh grandfather or somebody. wrote Mash back day W the theme song the. uh the the screenplay oh wow yeah so. somebody some related to her anyway I. music just yeah yeah right right uh so. it was it was fun watching the watching. the show with her she knows Ron White so. he came up that's why came up and said.

hi to us but it was so everybody killed. it it was so much fun and I love how you. put your phone in the bag turn it off. and and lock it we need more of that in. life uhhuh yeah it's it's hard for. people to not be distracted these days. everyone's distracted y but it was so. noticeable so you're in that VIP balcony. amazing and then you're looking down but. it is so noticeable now that no one has. their phones out if you didn't have that. you'd look down from that balcony and. you'd certainly see somebody just got to. return quick kids you go to the movie.

you just see lit up phones everywhere. now it's crazy that's what I was saying. I was saying I wish they did this in. movies uh it's just CRA me phones are. cool they do a lot of cool things but. man it's a massive distraction I'm I'm. working towards being able to hand this. thing off yeah yeah hand it off yeah to. who somebody else that's not me hand it. off and go to the flip oh really I'm. working I don't think I'm not going to. be there for a few years but what about. texting though well you can still. remember the Blackberry like yeah David. tell was in here and he was texting he. has a flip phone he texts with this flip.

phone I'm like what are you doing I goty. his makes the beeps too so it's. like I'm like what the [ __ ] are you. doing uhhuh yeah I mean I remember like. doing that and we did it everybody did. you just kind of figured it out but. there was like what is it three letters. or symbols on each thing you can but you. got pretty good with it yeah you can get. pretty good but it's slow it's slow and. St I mean that's what C happened when. people started using the letter U. instead of U and the letter r instead of. a r e I can't do it do you do it no okay.

yeah I don't think so I'm trying to. think of your text especially you you're. an author N I got to have commas in. there I can't have a you none of that. stuff so it's noticeable when people. send it to me I'm like yeah our little. guy's the worst that 13 years old that's. all they do oh yeah they they abbreviate. things too I always have to ask my kid. what the [ __ ] does that mean IDK oh I. don't care or I don't know IDC is I. don't care IDK is I don't know I figur I. don't know they they have a whole bunch.

of them that they use all the time that. I have to like think yeah what what are. you saying I know I look it up sometimes. I like Google it I'm like I type it in. what does this mean and it pops up or. then I just get the bruh BR Bru's a lot. yeah b r u h that's it I that brh I'm. like what is that what does that even. mean yeah I saw some meme it was like it. was like a mom texting her kid and it. says texting your 13-year-old boy is. like texting someone who's about to. break up with you cuz it's like hey. how's your day and it's like okay you. know like something like that you know.

and it's totally true it is totally true. but I'd like to go back I'd like to hand. it off at some point you know I'm not. there not there yet cuz it's still my. office that is thing is still my mobile. office and all the all the socials and. everything else the interaction with. people like everything goes that's I. think it just you just have to have. discipline I think my middle ground is. have a reg a real phone real smartphone. but discipline you know just no one to. put it away no one to leave it alone are. you good with it yeah I'm good with it. yeah pretty good with it it depends on.

if I have the day off if I have the day. off I'm on that [ __ ] stupid thing 6. hours I'm watching YouTube are you. really yeah if I have the day off. because if I have a day off I purposely. decide to do nothing yeah if I have a. day off I do well I never have a day of. nothing right I have a day of archery. working out then. nothing but those days are [ __ ]. awesome man the the nothing to do day oh.

my God I appreciate those so much. whereas do you build one in yeah I build. one in yeah I never work every day okay. I won't I've done it I mean I've done a. few times like if I have to go away on. vacation or something like that we have. to bank up up a bunch of episodes I I. wind up doing five in a week and then at. the end of the week I just I don't want. to lose enthusiasm because I feel like. there's like a balance between. discipline and enthusiasm and you got to. find out where that is like if I lose. enthusiasm then I don't have a as much.

excitement and then my Pro whatever I'm. doing is not as good right no I. understand that you never do you ever. feel that that you have that like I I. can't tell looking at from the outside. and knowing you and then watching an. episode or listening to an episode I can. never tell if you're off if you do you. ever feel off one these feel it could be. coming and then I don't allow it to come. because I remind myself how fortunate I. am and about how happy I would be to be. able to do what I did if I couldn't do. it right and then I just put myself in. that state of mind right but that also. means like day off is necessary right.

have that day off [ __ ] chill out but. are they really days off with family. like is exhausting too family days yeah. nah fun like yesterday we did a Father's. Day thing we went and killed zombies. went you ever do H sandbox VR do you. know what that is oh my God it's my. favorite thing to do I [ __ ] love it. yeah this this game called Deadwood. mansion and you put on the uh the VR. helmets and you you're trapped in a. mansion that gets invaded by zombies and. you have a shotgun just blasting zombies.

okay nice [ __ ] love it do you go. someplace for her yeah yeah yeah it's. like it's a place called sandbox VR and. it's out here in Austin and there was. one in Woodland Hills too this is the. game this is what it looks like oh. that's crazy yeah it's [ __ ] dope dude. and so you're movie oh yeah yeah yeah. it's like a movie and these zombies come. running at you and when they grab you. you have a haptic feedback vest so you. you feel it when they're grabbing you. what yeah what's a haptic feedback like. Titans or you like a zap it like zaps.

you it's like a buzz on your chest it's. really fun that's awesome oh I love it. they have a ton of games there too it's. not just that they have a squid games. one they have a Star Trek one they have. one where you uh you have dels with. people like space weapons that's wild is. it uh it's not just for kids obviously. no no it's for everybody yeah well. obviously I'm a big kid but but I. [ __ ] love it man I I had the number. three uh score ever in there at point in. time dang somebody proud of right there.

Lam Lam with the shotgun that's you. train up for it you know we up with tan. just a lot of coffee oh there you go. just you know every gun has a laser on. it so you know exactly where you're. shooting and you know just take head. shot on zombies see if we have one of. those in Salt Lake see if we uh can go. down there and they probably do they. have a ton of them I know there's one. like I said there's one in Woodland. Hills that we used to have right down. the studio yeah in uh La yeah so maybe.

they are yeah is there one yeah an area. called Murray nice all right yeah taking. my little guy down there you got to do. it it's so fun good to know yeah it's. spooky too it's really scary it looks. like yeah they drop out of the ceiling. yeah the ceiling breaks open and a ton. of zombies fall down in front of you and. they just run at you you got to blast. them really my little guy like that he's. 13 he loves that stuff and he loves like. roller coasters there's a uh in Salt. Lake they have I forget the name of the. place but it's has it's called the. cannibal he made me go with him a couple. years I'm not a big roller coaster.

person I'm nice I watch too many. Instagram videos of those things going. sideways people go flying off of them. not fun no don't do that but he loves it. so man I don't so he'll he'll dig this I. get that people like those Thrills they. don't they don't appeal to me no they. never I used to do them a lot with my. kids when they were younger especially. Disneyland Disneyland you know they're. pretty good they they really don't very. rarely have a [ __ ] up yeah yeah good. point they're trust yeah their safety. record's pretty awesome yeah we did it.

right before we left and left California. to go to to Utah and we thought okay. we're going to do this one last kind of. kid Centric thing with all these. amusement parks because my wife and I. are not really amusement park people. just surrounded by everybody else. sweating and just eating everything long. lines crying whining so yeah we did that. and then I think that's it for us if you. want to find the hazards of the American. diet full effect go to Disneyland it's. bad there's so many people on scooters. cuz they can't walk cuz they got too big. oh it's so terrible yeah no yeah sorry.

kids we're uh you that was your last. time that we're going to be at one of. those places now it's outdoor stuff fun. it's fun for a day just to eat CH Rose. and be a pig just [ __ ] just have a. good time just but you know you have to. like allow yourself to just [ __ ] off eat. ice cream and [ __ ] off for a day just. say today we're going to [ __ ] off that's. your day off energizes you when you get. back into it so you have somebody com. also I feel guilty for [ __ ] off and. eating all that garbage so you hit it.

hard next day all right well I got that. sauna after we talked last time I think. it was getting put in last time we. talked and uh I still haven't really. been in it because plugged it in or. whatever electrician came plugg that. thing in it's uh one of those Barrel. ones and so it looks out at the. mountains has like this glass thing on. it yeah but it just gets warm it doesn't. yeah so we need to have who made your. song I don't even know my wife you got. to get a Salo son is the guys that did. hours and they have serious heaters like. mine gets to 200° yeah this was not this. just gets kind of not even uncomfort.

uncomfortably warm is it a infrared or. is it a regular no that has the Rocks. has a little thing in that has the Rocks. this get warm I think it's the altitude. I think it needs some sort of an. adjustment for altitude because we're at. about just shy of 8,000 fet right but. it's electric that doesn't make any. sense yeah I know yeah you just contact. some knows what they're doing yeah we'll. get those guys from Salu Sonos to hook. you up they'll just swap out your heater. okay you just need a like we have a hum. it's I think it's huu m is is the name. of the heater that [ __ ] thing cranks.

same thing we have in here in the studio. it's yeah you got to get a real heater. yeah no I need to do something so so. that sits there unused um but moving. forward so I was heing you talk about. archery so I have that uh the guys from. Total archery challenge they came out. and they put up 22 Target 3D targets all. around the pretty good good course but. uh but days offer they don't really. exist yet you know but I need to just. make time to get out there in the. mornings drop the kids at school and. just walk that course and and shoot well. cranking out basically a book a year.

yeah plus you're also working on the. terminal list TV series yeah that is a. lot of work my friend it is my first. non-fiction comes out in the fall on the. 1983 Bay Barracks bombing so that's a. whole another thing wow okay so you're. getting into historical stuff yeah we. have a lot of history in here I just. love history I always have since I was a. little kid anyway but um really wanted. to to start down that path and explore a. different terrorist event um and capture. the Lessons Learned behind that event so. that hopefully moving forward we don't. have to relearn the lessons in blood.

we're not very good at that as a country. we just uh tend to relearn things over. and over again we don't translate. lessons into wisdom so wanted to try to. just do my part and see what I could do. in this uh I remember the 1983 bombing. um it stands out in my mind when I was a. little kid Newsweek Time Magazine I. remember those on our kitchen table uh. remember the newspaper in the mornings. remember the news watching the news with. my family at 5:00 and 6 o'clock and. that's an event that I mean it changed. the course of US foreign policy for sure. the shadow still uh still in its shadow. today um but yeah killed 241 US service.

members and uh 58 French paratroopers. and it was the biggest loss of life for. the Marine Corps since uima in World War. II so it's uh it's a seminal event in. Marine Corps history in our history as a. nation but uh there isn't really the. seminal work on it yet so wanted to do. that and did that with a pulit surprise. finalist military historian James Scott. amazing guy so we've been working on. that for the last two years and that. comes out in September but man it's go. go go how do you collaborate something. like that with the historian how does.

that work do you do you send him stuff. what you're working on and he gives you. feedback does how does it work so I had. the idea and I wanted one person I. wanted this guy James Scott amazing guy. he has five other books out there four. on World War II uh one on the USS. Liberty and uh just he I didn't know him. personally um and he doesn't really have. a social media presence so I couldn't. really get to know him that way and just. but I just knew his work and I thought. oh man it'd be amazing to collaborate. with this guy on this this project um. and so I reached out luckily he wanted.

to do it he was fired up and he been. amazing such a great guy so thorough. because when you do something that's. like here if you make a mistake you just. say oh it's fiction but in something. like that you can't make a mistake in. every single quote obviously uh you have. to attribute that to the right person in. the right way all the photographs uh. attribute all those to the right people. in the right way buy them put them in. there license them whatever you need to. do so there's a lot more to it on that. side um that I didn't have any. experience with so uh but he's he's got. that part down that's awesome yeah so it.

it was an amazing experience and we're. going to hopefully kick off another one. here so every the idea was to do one. non-fiction every year as soon as I. started down that path of research I. realized it was going to be a two-year. every two-year type of a thing because. it just so much more goes into it you. just don't create it out of your head. obviously you have to interview all. these people you have to go and then. then follow up with everyone and then. you have to uh confirm things that. people said or all these things so. there's a lot more to it than uh than I. thought at the outset how many hours a. day do you work like do you cuz I would. imagine particularly with fiction you.

you have to avoid burnout right you have. to be enthusiastic about your subject. matter to get the best out of your mind. yeah I mean I'm I'm so fired up and so. like you I feel so fortunate to be doing. what I love and so I it doesn't seem. like work although you're putting in. hours you're certainly putting in hours. uh for this one it took a lot longer. than I thought because usually these. books are about are in this genre. they're about 115,000 words 100 between. 100 and 115 this one came in at 150 so I. kept thinking oh it's going to be done. December 1st and January 1st uh February. 1st it just kept pushing which is why.

we're here in July instead of or sorry. in June instead of May that's this one. red sky morning yeah that's this one. right here so it took a little longer. than I than I anticipated but that's. just because the story dictates how long. because people are trusting me with. their time they're never going to get. that time back so that's something I. take extremely seriously so all my heart. and soul goes into every word but but I. love it when James Reese continues to. get older are you going to let him get. older you going to go James Bond I think. I go James Bond I'm gonna I think I'm. gonna do it slowly maybe hm slowly so. we'll see we'll see it's uh it's one of.

those things you have to think about uh. some authors like Steven Hunter uh. Daniel Silva have aged their character. in real time but that that's a 20 plus. year series and especially if they're. out there kicking ass yeah so if you. start that they're 40 when they start. you know they're getting up there now. yeah so it's uh it's a it's a thing. especially if you want him to keep. kicking ass so yeah yeah um I talked to. Mark graany about that too the grey man. right right same thing he's going to go. James Bond I think so I think that's. it's the way to go yeah it's already a. precedent set people accept it do it.

exactly do James Bond should be a. thousand years old how the [ __ ] is James. Bond still kicking ass and they got a. new James Bond coming out we'll see. we'll see so what they need to do for. that one what they need to do if they if. they asked me uh after what they did at. the end and I don't know if we can say. spoiler alert because if haven't seen. the last movie um but it ends it's very. final How It Ends but mean allegedly. interesting way to one of the most. successful series of all time um but I. think you go back and you do those as. period pieces so you go back and you. start with the first book and you start.

it in the 50s when it was written and so. you have post World War II era Great. Britain and you're doing it you have all. the cars so in the in the books he's. driving an old Bentley uh and it's from. from the 30s so even though it's written. in the 50s uh so it's not the ason. Martin um so you do that and you do it. true to the books in that time period so. o that would be very expensive though. but not really today with CGI with AI. what what they're able to do now y you. know Tyler Perry was building an $800. million studio and he stopped production.

on it when he saw Sora which is the new. AI program that almost I mean really. quickly can render spectacular scenes. okay that have you seen it have you. heard about it is that that one like 3D. camera they one in. Australia sora's just AI generated video. show him the one with um Japan it's uh. Tokyo in the snow it's crazy you can't. believe it's not real because it's like. it's got people checking their bag. looking at their watch tying their shoe.

like normal stuff pausing to talk to. people and you're looking at you're like. what this is not real and apparently. they generate them very quickly think. about it in five years from now oh it's. going to be 10 years from now so this is. all AI beautiful snowy Tokyo snow snowy. Tokyo city is bustling camera moves. through the bustling City street this is. the prompt that made them U that made AI. create this following several people. like look at this oh wow this is crazy. this is fake.

you would never you would think oh. someone got a camera and they're filming. all these store of a robots life and. cyberpunk settings I mean these videos. that they can make now are incredible. and again this is a AI open AI text to. video model that's crazy Sora and is. that the one that Ashton Kutcher was. talking about I don't know I don't know. if Ashton Kutcher was talking about in. the news yesterday something about Ai. and something about Hollywood with uh. doing this stuff but uh [ __ ] killer. everyone's [ __ ] actors are [ __ ].

everyone's [ __ ] I need to read the uh. the after the strike last year cuz there. was an actor strike also as you know and. then the then writer strike as well so. but I don't know Ani was a big part of. that but I don't know yeah where did it. end up do you know where it ended up I. don't know but they don't have much to. negotiate with unfortunately there's. there's an inevitability with this kind. of Technology it's like would you write. books with a feather no would you write. all the books with a feather no so like. I wanted to buy a book from you I'd have.

to commission you and you would have to. write out this new book Red Sky morning. you'd have to write this out in a. feather for every customer [ __ ] that you. would never do that right well that's. the thing with AI like instead of having. people act out movies and and having. like real scenes and everybody's on set. at 6:00 a.m. and that's that's the thing. of the past oh man I really think it's a. thing of the past what they can do now. this one got announced today on Twitter. it's called gen 3 Alpha I think I don't.

know see there's a bunch of these. different competing AI programs as well. it's not just the open AI Sora there's a. bunch of them Microsoft has one I mean. and then these graphic engines the. Unreal Engine five is [ __ ] insane. that's crazy they so they have these. graphic um models now for video games. and unreal it's that's what it's called. right Unreal Engine 5 yep dude Unreal. Engine 5 is [ __ ] bananas so this is.

for video games so video games now look. almost indistinguishable from a movie. this is Tiny hint of what they call the. uncanny valley where you can kind of. tell that it's not real especially when. you're looking at like human faces yeah. but Jimmy will show you like this Ah. that's are you playing do you play video. games no I can't I can't go crazy yeah I. I go crazy I can't do it you get sucked. in yeah yeah yeah I'll be playing it all. day long I have a real problem you. wouldn't have a podcast no I'd probably. have a podcast probably would suck. though I I have a very addictive.

personality with things that are. difficult to do I like you know when I. find like as long as it's something. physical like with jiu-jitsu you can. only do Jiu-Jitsu two hours a day you. know at the most maybe a little bit more. after that your body just breaks down. and you can only play pools so many. hours a day but you can play video games. all [ __ ] day man you could just and. they Jazz you up so much there's such an. adrenaline rush you're so locked into it. and then when I shut them off I always. feel like [ __ ] so this is unreal engine.

5.4 I guess this is the newest version. of it. what that's wild look how crazy this. looks cool I mean this is a video game. so imagine playing a video game right. and this is the type of Graphics that. they can do and again this is just today. this stuff is moving at an exponential. Pace to the point where you know five. six years from now you're going to be. experiencing this but in VR you know. you'll have like The Meta headset on and.

you'll be experiencing this probably on. an omnidirectional floor they have these. omnidirectional uh Google that Jamie the. the new omnidirectional floor Disney's. got the best one I do they yeah so the. omnidirectional floor The Way You Walk. is the way the floor moves so you stay. in like an area like the size of this. room right so you stand in the center. and everywhere you walk the floor walks. with you so you are actually walking but. you're not moving anymore oh I don't.

know are you get you going to get one oh. yeah for sure oh man like look at this. what yeah this is Bonkers no I can't no. so everywhere you go so you can that's. actually a lot smaller than this room I. was incorrect that's really small that's. like the size of this table almost and. so you get on this thing and the game. will take you down corridors and alleys. and you know you go cross fields and. you'll be able to do and I'm sure. eventually what they'll be to do is have.

different uh terrain like you'll have. like a textured terrain or maybe even. elevation you be able to go up like a. treadmill you can get a workout in yeah. oh yeah you definitely can I mean I. remember when a Dance Dance Revolution. came or Evolution Evolution or. revolution revolution revolution I miss. Dance Dance Revolution is this game. these kids started playing an arcade and. everybody started losing weight because. yeah because it's a dance game where the. floor lights up like blue you're. supposed toep on blue and then you know.

there's like different things that. you're supposed to do there's a pattern. on the screen that you're supposed to. follow and you get a score based on how. well you keep up with the steps so all. these people were like playing a video. game but they're burning insane amount. of cowards people losing like 50 60. pounds playing this game which I support. like if there's a game that can make you. healthy [ __ ] yeah that's awesome yeah. then you get tired maybe you sit down on. the couch and go to the other one where. you just sit there and then who's. creating this uh I don't know who's. moving the country forward who's making. oh that's that's a real problem.

obviously well also um they just. announced that the former Chief of NSA. is going to the board of open AI which. has freaked a bunch of people out. including Edward Snowden does that freak. you out Jamie yeah it's big smileing. Jamie face well I would imagine they. would want to get involved in something. like that I mean I don't know why they. wouldn't I. mean yeah I could see I could put on my. conspiracy tinfoil hat thing and say oh. my God what are they trying to do that. but Ed Edward Snowden eviscerates open.

ai's decision to put former NSA director. on its board this is a willful. calculated betrayal of the rights of. every person on Earth H obviously he has. a beef with the NSA um but if you were. the N like let's imagine National. Security Agency is an important thing. for this country to have if you're. having these [ __ ] Eggheads that are. developing the next Super being which is. essentially what they're doing they're. going to develop whether it exists in a. physical form it only exist on a. computer it's going to be far smarter.

than us within a matter of a few years. and so just for National Security. concerns you probably would have to have. someone go and be there and go hey what. the [ __ ] are you guys doing and report. back from the inside like you'd have to. wouldn't you kind of have to have it. from the I mean just to know what. they're doing you can't give them the. power these unelected people you're. going to give them the power to give. birth to a god S I mean that's why I. want to get rid of this phone um you. know it's it's inevitable I Know Jack.

whole thing that's the whole thing we're. down this path just like you said I mean. we're the the technology has increasing. at an exponential rate um and so what we. think is about 20 years off is probably. going to be here essentially tomorrow. it's going to be very very quick. apparently um what we're at now is chat. GPT 4.0 or 40 and the next chat GPT 5 is. going to be exponentially more powerful. and that's in the pipeline well it's a. manipulation part that I we're already. just with social media let's I you can.

take it back 10 years I mean Twitter X. is you know similar to when it started. essentially and and that's you're. getting manipulated constantly and it's. not just bu a new detergent like back in. the the 80s watching a commercial like. that I mean your thoughts and behaviors. are being manipulated by these. algorithms and whoever is writing these. algorithms that's a lot of so imagine. with this with AI that just went in. latest update didn't our phones just get. some sort of crazy AI thing in there. iPhones Doo yeah and I have an Android I. have this Samsung Galaxy that I'm.

switching over to and this one does a. lot of AI things like it translates. conversations in real time it'll. summarize websites for you so if there's. a website you know like James web. telescope found some new Galaxy I'm like. oh I don't have time for this [ __ ]. gigantic article give me the summary and. it gives you the summary it'll summarize. it oh man it's been accurate oh yeah. it's really good and it also it dos a. lot of wild [ __ ] like you could Circle a. picture like if you see Jamie sneakers. like oh those are pretty fresh you CLE. it'll send it right to Google and it.

shows you where you can buy them. instantly tells you what it is objects. show like french press oh what's that. what is that thing how what do they call. French Press It'll like just from. circling I could take a photo of that. make a circle around it here I'll show. you right now it's pretty crazy that is. wild maybe I should feel instead of uh. trying to stay away from it maybe I. should embrace it and have put the book. in it people can Circle it and do. whatever they do I think you're always. going to want fiction I think people are. always going to want fiction and they're. also always going to want to have things.

that someone has created I think that's. a part of what people enjoy yeah so look. like this like the artwork on the walls. here that is done by a real person see. like I just took a photo of the French. press cired it and it's given me links. to how to buy a French press man it's. crazy dude this is complete Next Level. so is that freeing up time rather than. having to go French. Press it's not freeing up any time I. mean maybe it is freeing up a little bit. of time I just think it's cool that's. why I like you love all that stuff.

though you you you're embrace you. Embrace new technologies I do but again. you you you got to know what it is it's. like I like whiskey but I don't drink it. every day you know I drink a little bit. of whiskey every now and again all right. and I take big days off I like to stay. healthy so the so your your personality. you get can get addicted to video games. and that feeling and that but not to. other things like uh whiskey or whatever. else no I've never no I don't think so. the they're like different too health. conscious you know I could never get.

addicted to a drug although I am. addicted to caffeine for sure took a. couple day I took a whole day off. caffeine and documented on the internet. like at the end of the day I had a. [ __ ] pounding headache this is crazy. yeah it's crazy I haven't had one of. those in a long time which is cu I. haven't stopped drinking caffeine in a. long time yeah but uh when I used to. write back in the day I used to buy. these sodas there were these bizarre. sodas that this liquor store had that. were filled with caffeine like insane. amounts of caffeine but they also had.

like hot sauce in them and these cool. colors and flavors like some of them. were they me turn my tongue dark blue. they had skull and crossbones on the. labels they were just cool I remember. this is like in the 90s I bought them. just for fun I was at uh you know a. liquor store and I saw the what is this. stuff and the GU like oh it's crazy soda. company I don't even think they're. around anymore but I bought cases of. this [ __ ] it's probably illegal you know. probably I mean I don't know what the. caffeine amount was but it was was. extraordinary and you is that when.

you're writing like comedy late at night. like quiet I think back then I was. writing a script oh I was trying to. write a script okay and um I I also. write comedy late at night too and I. like to I just like to be caffeinated. when I'm writing yeah when I'm writing I. like to be jazzed up right you know yeah. you know yeah I do the same thing I. think I mean the only time I'm not being. interrupted is like 10: a.m. still to. like 3: 4: in the morning I pulled so. many allnighters for this one um 10:00. a.m. to 3: in the morning 4 in the. morning sometimes seven if I if I'm just. on a roll just got to keep going um cuz.

you deadline's looming but I don't want. to rush anything to hit that deadline if. that makes sense like I want get through. I want to be the best story I possibly. can I don't want to get to a certain. number of words or oh the deadline's. coming let me wrap this up like never. never I respect my audience too much for. that no I know you wouldn't and uh so. it's got to be the best story it can. possibly be but that means a lot of late. nights so um so that goes back to the. phone handing that off to somebody. having other people do some things so. that I can focus on the writing maybe in. some hours that are a little more. do you think you'll ever get to a point. where you say you know what in order to.

do a book the right way I have to do one. every 2 and a half years maybe maybe. that was like the norm in the 80s like. Tom Clancy books weren't every year oh. really um yeah so there was a couple. year and you didn't know if one was. going to come next year the year after. so is there pressure that comes from. does it come from the publisher does it. come from you do you like make hey while. the Sun's shining I think maybe there's. a little bit of that but uh I think it. became what was expected for recurring. characters so it became clab kussler. maybe was one of the first to start. doing it with the Dirk pit series that.

he started I think the first one was. back in the back in the 70s early '70s. um he passed away a couple years ago but. he started doing them more frequently uh. and then that Tom Clancy was every two. two and a half years and then we get up. to the late 90s and you have Daniel. Silva book a year you have in Flynn book. a year and so it became something that. was normal and now people expect it so I. think it's more that than anything else. yeah if people get hooked on a character. they want a new book every year like. granny does a new gyman every year y. exactly so that's kind of the what the. audience expects and uh it's fun it is.

you know it's a it's a timeline that you. can hit uh two a year would be difficult. to do um that would be extremely. difficult to do yeah does anybody do two. a year H I think there's a couple guys. who have done it well I think when you. get a little maybe when you get a little. older like like uh John Grisham so kids. out of the house that sort of a thing. and you don't do all the other things. the podcast lock yourself in your office. your words I mean uh but uh but I think. you can get to that stage where you're. not doing if you're not doing a podcast.

and you're not doing social media and. you're not writing a Blog and you're not. updating your website zero of those. things but you love to write and all the. kids are out of the house and you. already have established a readership. from the 80s the 90s early 2000s when. there were less distractions when we. didn't have all these video games didn't. have social platforms didn't have. YouTube didn't have on demand any movie. ever made that you can have anytime um. so that's essentially what you're. competing with with books so people read. less now so if you have that base. established back in from the old days. like a John Grisham than he can do to a.

year so you get two John Grisham books. every year every now and again uh I. think Michael Connelly uh does the same. thing but uh but they're not doing the. other things they're not doing that. podcast they're not doing the scripts. they're not doing that sort of thing. yeah especially like the script I mean. the amount of time how much time does it. take or how much time do you have to. spend working on the terminal list it's. a lot it's uh so the first one I was the. learning so I was new to Hollywood so I. was learning but Chris Pratt want to be. involved antoan fuku want to be involved. showrunner David Dilo be involved so but. essentially I'm learning I'm seeing how.

this adaptation to film Works um and now. after that it was a fewe process now I. can add more value this time around so. this time I'm involved in all the. casting which I wasn't before uh other. than Chris um so this time involved in. all the casting all the creating the. show with David ailo writing the. outlines going to the uh oh nice yeah. yeah yeah getting those things going. they nailed it man that that show is as. close to the actual book as you're. probably ever going to get without it.

being like 100 hours long know that's. the thing you know some people get upset. that there wasn't a this scene or that. scene or these characters get morphed. together or that sort of a thing C on. the back of it oh wow look at this is oh. wow buil no way pretty schnazzy is how. do you uh you flip the Clipper like. this flips out that's nice yeah Prett. dope W oh yeah built in so you never. have to wonder if you have a Clipper. yeah that's fantastic yeah and shout out. to Foundation cigars foring us up oh. nice oh look at that got your own cigars.

right there I love it and they're good. nice let's check this out let's do that. right there I was very skeptical when he. first made him for me I'm like you're. like oh jeez um gonna suck yeah that uh. I did a whole cigar lighting scene in. this one in this book I have one of my. favorite chapters uh in previous books. was James ree talking to uh Caroline. Hastings who's the matriarch of this. Hastings family uh it's just a. conversation so it's not nothing's. blowing up no one's getting their head. chopped off with a tomahawk and like. that it's just a conversation and.

passing on of wisdom and I did that. again this time with uh the patriarch. and so it's Jonathan Hastings talking to. James Reese and they go through he's. he's rolling a cigarette like old school. the way he would have done it back in. Africa in rodesia back in the day and. then uh James is Dowing a a cigar but. he's lighting it in the way that he. learned from Jonathan Hasting brother in. what was then mosm Beek yeah people get. real dorked out on how to light a cigar. I have uh had conversations. done it the right way I've done it the. other way I can't tell the difference.

I'm too stupid so it's like the same way. I feel about wine I am not never going. to be a wine connoisseur I like a nice. glass of wine if someone tells me what. the good stuff is I'll drink that you. can tell the difference though oh yeah. yeah I have my friend Matt is like a. real wine connoisseur though he's he has. like a Sellar in his house and he looks. so he puts on his reading glasses when. we go out to eat and he goes over all. the different vintage is he knows. exactly what the [ __ ] he's ordering I. don't know what I'm ordering I asked the.

the lady at the yeah that's what they do. they're supposed to know all that stuff. full body Cabernet hook it up I don't. know what the [ __ ] anything is I put. some wine in in these uhz I like to do. that I like to weave in food Ian Fleming. did it it's kind of like my nod this my. 007th book so there's a lot of little. references to vond in here in some that. like the most casual Watcher of a film. will get and some that probably even the. most ENT fan won't get so I there's. something for everybody that I put that. I put in here but uh so that's your. seventh book Seventh book7 damn son. that's an accomplishment seven books.

seven books that's incredible thank you. thank you did I just think about how. many hours it is of just sitting in. front of the computer oh my eyes are. gone I mean do you still use a laptop. mhm I would encourage you to not I need. to not yeah you know why for the. keyboard keyboard yeah keyboards on the. MacBook suck yeah I do most of my. writing even when I write I I either. write at home on a Apple with the it's a. really nice keyboard that has a lot of. trigger travel and it's ergonomic it's.

separated or I have a ThinkPad I don't. know if you ever use one of those Lenovo. think pads the keyboards are. superior superior to the Apple ones. first of all all the keys have like a. little dip in them so your fingles. finger settles into that little Valley. yep and then there's a lot of travel. it's like 1.8 millimet one of them one. of the things I have is 2.2 millim of. travel so as you're typ. feeling it some guys go so crazy that.

they want a mechanical keyboard yeah I'm. not there yet I do have a really I have. one that Hemingway actually wrote a. Movable Feast on somebody uh a fan sent. it to me uh when a typewriter yeah he. wrote a Movable Feast on it it came up. for auction right before covid so. January of 2020 the guy that started uh. Newman's Own with Paul Newman he was. also kind of a manager this um AE hotter. I don't think I'm pronouncing his last. name correctly but he was like a mover. and Shaker in those types of circles. back in the day and uh so he had all. this Hemingway stuff and it went up for.

auction after he passed away and so I. have yeah Hemingway's typewriter so I. typed a a Hemingway quote on it when it. arrived and then I let it sit of course. the kids have walked by and like you. know so it's not exactly anymore that. makes it funny it's pretty cool so I. have that right there but I need I need. to get a different and after we talked. about this once and so I went out and I. bought another computer like we talked. about the one you recommended so I got. it but it wasn't an apple one and like. Apple got me like everything is cloud.

and freaking phone and computer like. they've just got me you can get around. that though I'm not good at that sort of. thing it's not that hard it's not that. hard you just relearn it and then once. you relearn it you already have it in. your head you know I have a lot of. crossplatform things that I like that I. use which helps a lot okay but Apple's. notes is one of the best things ever. because when I have an idea I like to. just talk it into a note and then if. it's on my Apple notes then it's on my. computer notes so so like if I have an. idea for a bit or something like that I. could say it in my notes and then when I.

go on my computer and I just press the. notes it's there I need to get better at. that sort of thing I have notepads. everywhere yellow stickies everywhere. like it's chaos it's you don't have it. on your phone oh no I just for some. reason I just don't I don't know there's. something about the best thing about the. phones today is that you could talk to. it you know like you could on both like. the apple one and this one too you just. you you just open up a note and then. when you open up a note when you're. writing a new note you pre you go down. there and you press the um the. microphone thing when you press the.

microphone thing it just lets you talk. like here we go I need to do that I need. to get better at all that stuff it's not. yeah I'm not good at it I send myself. emails I have an email account that I. just send notes to or emails to like I. could do this yeah Jack car is a bad. [ __ ] and this is his seventh. book bam look how quick that is look at. that I do was close pretty [ __ ] close. close oh they look at they they they. blocked out bad [ __ ] look what. [ __ ] put a lot you why is it. doing that that's probably the thing.

about Androids though is I should stop. this it's still recording sorry the. thing about Androids though is like they. have so many options of things you could. do you can customize things so much more. than you can on an iPhone okay now if. you're a person that's already busy like. yourself that's probably not attractive. to you no it's just too much but like. I've watched like 10 videos on this. phone just trying to figure out all the. different stuff you can do you could use. it in split screen mode you can watch. two different things at the same time. two different website you get an email.

on the bottom while you're watching a. video at the top dude I don't know and. it also has a sty too much for me oh you. can pull oh man oh yeah check this out. and not only does it have a stylus but. the stylus it doubles as a remote. control so like if you want to take a. picture with the family you set up the. phone and then you hold on to this you. go like that you press the button and it. takes the picture and that does take. that has a better uh camera than iPhone. I wouldn't say it's better I would say. it's just as awesome okay I mean there. are people that debate things um the.

Apple camera is amazing I still have. this uh iPhone 15 it's [ __ ] great. don't get me wrong and one thing that I. really love about Apple is uh it works. with um Apple TV so the best remote for. Apple TV is your iPhone really yeah yeah. yeah I'm learning so much today it syncs. up so if you have uh Apple TV you scroll. down like this and you press this button. right here and it shows you the remote. says choose a TV you choose a TV and. then you control the screen with the.

with your remote so if you want to look. look something up on YouTube or you know. Netflix you type it instead of like. going looking for the [ __ ] it's like old. school old school texting the worse. right it's horrible this is way easier. you just type it on your phone and then. also you can slide back and forth to. wherever you want in the movie exactly. yeah it's the best remote all right the. remote iPhone is the best I will try. that the best the other stuff I don't. know about but I will try that cuz it's. yeah that I'm not good at all that stuff. I'm always like yelling at my wife like.

what the what the password and what's. the it's attached to your email it says. like didn't we buy this movie already on. another thing like right I'm not good at. all that yeah that's always an issue. there's a lot going on today you know. that's why I like to take a breath go. upstairs but I do need that other. computer because I'm feeling it for the. first time I'm feeling it in my hand uh. for the thing is if you use like a. crossplatform um word processor sir like. say if you use Microsoft if you use.

Microsoft Word you can access Microsoft. Word through uh your phone you can AC. access Microsoft Word through a laptop a. Windows laptop a Mac laptop it does not. matter you can access it it's so you. have an a Microsoft Word account and so. then if you store things in the cloud. like if you store your script in the. crowd or your book in the cloud you. could access it from anything you want I. know it's so bad it's not not that's not. difficult that's we're essentially the. same age but you're so good at all this.

stuff and I like you are you know Jam's. better than me and red band's better. than Jamie yeah it's that hurt you. that's a. lot. come I said that just to trick. e got set up a competition red is a. super nerd though they're both super. nerds a lot it's a lot but I need to do. something I need to get definitely. another computer for for typing but I. have one that's just for writing so a. whole another computer just for writing. get a new one every time this might not. be so smart I get a new one for every. book really yeah just so it's a clean. and it's like a clean piece of paper and.

as it's blank slate and I start again. and I know that's not necessary today. you could probably make a new screen or. like minimize everything or do it a. better way but I just like it in my own. head like I'm starting a new yeah no. that's a good thing to do like rituals. are good especially for Creative people. yeah you know that's a big part of. Steven pressler's book St pressfield. excuse me pressfield yeah the war of art. war of art amazing yeah yeah um his book. you know was kind of all about summoning. it's about discipline Focus dedication.

but also summoning The Muse yeah and. then part of that is like this ritual of. like showing up showing up at a very. specific time every day like this is and. if you do that enough the ideas will. come to you yep and it is true oh. exactly it's doing the work sitting down. and doing the work you got to do the. work or it's not going to obviously if. you don't do the work you're never going. to get where you want to go when I first. read it I felt like pressfield was using. the term the use as like just sort. of that maybe it's not a real thing but.

you treat it as if it's a real thing and. it works that way it work because of the. time and focus that you put like it will. accumulate over time you will get. creative ideas but now as I'm getting. older I'm not convinced that I was right. that it's not a real thing I have a. feeling that this is going to sound so. weird but I'm just going to say it I. think ideas are an unrecognized life.

form this is what I think I think. creativity is very a very strange thing. like what is it where is it coming from. where do ideas come from where's a great. song come from where's a great concept. for a book come from it comes from your. mind right your mind pulls it out of a. lot of things like your life experiences. your current state of you know. depression or happiness and all the. things you've read your whole life. there's like so many things that you're. pulling creativity out of. but there's a thing that enters into.

your mind sometimes when you come up. with an idea where you're like that is. not from me that's not from me I know. this is just popping up and maybe it's. just as my ignorance of the way synapses. fire but I'm not sure cuz my thought is. everything that exists that human beings. have created came from an idea like all. cameras all houses everything was an. idea that we got and then we worked at.

it and manifested it into form yeah and. if the universe. has a driving force when it comes to. intelligent life that driving force. seems to be creating things yeah and I. have a feeling that ideas themselves are. almost like a life form that injects. itself into human consciousness. and then encourages and guides people to.

do things to make things and then they. appear and those things encourage more. people to make more things and I think. it works that way with music I think. that works that way with comedy it works. that way with literature with pretty. much everything everything that's really. good encourages more people to do those. things and then more things happen and. better things get made and I think. that's how. these. things will themselves into existence.

they do it through our minds like almost. spiritual I don't know if I like that. word because it's been co-opted by. hippie. chicks and dudes pretending to be. spiritual to try to get late yeah I. think a lot of spiritual hippies are. being girls are being honest the guys. are probably 80% of them are not being. honest um but yeah whatever that word. means it's something that there's. something more to it than this sort of. redu. view of what an idea is and if someone.

says what's your proof you know we have. evidence of I have no proof it's not I. don't I think the world is way Stranger. than we think and I think our existence. here is way stranger than we think I. think people have been wrestling with. that forever and for me to just think oh. the Muse is just this like air fairy. concept that you give to the results of. hard work and dedication no I think hard. work and dedication are important. because you summon the Muse I think the.

Muse is a real thing and you you've come. to this over time yeah with age. experience I just I just don't know you. know I mean if the Muse wasn't a real. thing boy it sure behaves like a [ __ ]. real thing true it really does behave. like a real thing and when you're living. your life right it seems like it rewards. you it seems like it rewards you like. both mentally emotionally physically. like there's some there's a guiding. force it's just we don't know how to.

tune into it and I think that guiding. force also exists creatively I think. there's a guiding force in terms of like. the things you do like if you're living. your life right and you're you're doing. the things you're supposed to do and. you're good to your friends you're. disciplined and you get to a certain. point in your life you're like wow it's. almost like Fate's real yeah you know. like there's some guiding forces that. are not. exact they're almost like a like a radio.

signal that you're tuning in but you. can't quite get it it's like it's kind. of there but you kind of have a sense. it's not saying everyone head to the. exit it's not that clear yeah it's just. like this very vague thing it's like I. think I'm supposed to do this yeah well. Fate's an interesting thing obviously um. I thought about it you know I thought. about it my whole life I my daddy gave. me a book a long time ago when I was a. kid called the bridge in s Louis Ray and. it's about these people that are on this. bridge collapses and uh it's in central. sou South South America somewhere and.

all they all die and the story is about. why are all the why are these people. let's say there's seven there might. there might be more or less but. regardless about that number a group of. people why were they on that bridge at. that time when it collapsed and it's. just an interesting uh thing to think. about and I I thought about it again in. Iraq back in really 2005 2006 time frame. because anything could have been an IED. and you're going down the road you're. heading to a Target you're doing a. convoy whatever you're doing and. anything a dead donkey on the out of the. road trash whatever any just a a. disrupted piece of dirt whatever.

anything could be an IED back then so we. got there and I thought you know what I. can either be worried about that sort of. thing or I can just accept the Fate part. of it and do my job as at that time as. an officer and uh and do my job as the. best leader and operator I can possibly. be and focus on the mission and focus on. the guys uh and crush this thing and and. that's where my focus needs to be not on. whether that thing's an IED I got. somebody up in the turret as we're going. you know they're looking they're doing. that thing we have some technology. that's that's helping counter some of.

these things there of course the enemy. though is adapting to that technology. that's Warfare you're always adapting to. the enemy enem is always adapting to you. uh you're looking for gaps in the. enemy's defenses you're trying to. capitalize on momentum but they're. clever and uh they know exactly how we. counter things and they adapt and in. turn we have to adapt to that so I I. decided to resign myself to fate as far. as that stuff go so I could just focus. on the mission and be the best leader I. could be so Fate's an interesting thing. it is and it's interesting hearing that. from you because you're talking about it. in the most extreme environment that.

exists which is war and that in order. for you to be completely focused you. kind of had to give into that it's the. only way you'll be able to do your job. and then also if you're not completely. Focus It could wind up costing you or. your teammates lives exactly that's the. same reason while I was in all I focused. on and I think I I had to talked to my. wife about this but she understood it uh. the pendulums on the side of the team. when you're in if you're bringing guys. down range maybe you're in a staff job. somewhere maybe not but if you're taking.

guys down range you do not want to be 10. years on from whatever is going to. happen down range in Iraq or Afghanistan. or somewhere else around the world. sitting on that couch after something. goes sideways wondering if you did. everything you possibly could have done. in preparation for that event to be the. best oper make the best decisions Under. Fire that you possibly could so that's. why on on the weekends I was training uh. there are people going around the. country on the civilian side of the. house uh so out there training pistols. training rifle BS on the weekend uh. always working out always reading.

military history always reading about. Iraq Afghanistan so that I was not going. to leave anything on the field um. because it was just something that I was. very aware of just reading histories of. Vietnam and thinking about the guys when. they came home from that and uh just how. the enemy gets a vote you can also do. all those things I just talked about and. things can still go sideways but I. wanted to know that I was as prepared as. I could possibly be and in the margins. in the far ends the those hard days that. you put in in training could be the.

difference between your life or life. mates life or your teammates exactly. like now it's easy for me to say I don't. think I need to work out today I need to. write a book you know back then no I'm. going to work out I'm going to do this. run I'm G to hit that obstacle course. again I'm going to get to the range um. with the guys I'm going to do whatever. whatever it is I'm going to read this. other book about Afghanistan or read. this thing about insurgencies counter. insurgencies terrorism I'm going to know. the enemy as well as I possibly can. because that's what I owe the guys and. not just them their families and by. default the mission and the country so I.

think that difference is what makes your. book so special that you have that real. life experience this isn't just. something you're dreaming up and you've. done research on like your real life. experience serving as a Navy SEAL is a. big part of why your books are so. compelling yeah no I appreciate that and. it's uh it's one of those things I also. saw as I was getting out so I went to. the training command buds um as my last. couple years in which is when I started. writing the first first book and that's. when I was n taking guys down range. anymore I knew I was getting out um so I. didn't have to be solely focused on that.

and I could start doing these these. other these other things um and focus uh. focus on that but I didn't know through. my executive summary through my outline. uh until I started to write those first. words how personal it was going to be. and it became a very personal writing. experience initially I thought oh I'll. get the sniper stuff right if I don't. know something about an aircraft or a. submarine I can call somebody and I'll. at least uh at least I know people to. reach out to who can connects me with. someone who spent time in the submarine. force or in an aircraft I need to write. about or something like that but I.

didn't know how personal it was going to. be from a feeling and emotion standpoint. so if uh when my character gets ambushed. somewhere I can remember what it was. like in Baghdad 2006 to actually get. ambushed and then I can take those and. apply them right here to this fictional. narrative so it's a fictional story. James ree in the first book gets gets uh. ambushed on the streets of LA by this. assassin guy but I can remember what it. felt like to be on the receiving end and. then those feelings and emotions go. directly on the page so I don't have to. find a sniper from let's say ratti at. the height of the war and interview him.

and then have those answers get filtered. through movies I've seen other. interviews I've done documentaries other. books whatever it might be and then. fictionalize it and put it on the page. it goes all heart and soul right in here. so it was very personal much more person. and it's remained that way even though. this is the seventh book it's still just. as uh as powerful when I'm writing it. and I'm feeling it as it was for that. first one did you write any short. stories first no no I was a reader so I. read my whole life so I got to read all. these guys David Morell Nelson Dill AJ. quinel JC Pollock Mark Olden Tom Clancy.

Ian Fleming Johan Lae all these guys who. are the Masters who were my professors. in the artst storytelling from a very. early age so certainly by sixth grade. fifth grade was when Hunt for Red. October came out which is why I have a. submarine section in the beginning of. this as a nod to the 40th anniversary of. The Hunt for Red October uh for Tom. Clancy and everything he did for the for. the genre but uh it's it's I I just yeah. I just absolutely love it but I had that. foundation and I had that Foundation. from an ear age so it wasn't at age 40. when I like thought oh maybe I should be.

if I going to be a writer what should I. have been reading or what what can I. have read that you read knowing you were. going to be a writer but because I loved. the Magic in those pages not because I. was like oh I'm going to learn this in. sixth grade so that then 30 years later. I can use it no it was just I loved the. magic and the pages of all those novels. and it just became a part of me a part. of my being a part of this Foundation. that I can now build on and so I don't. think I could have prepared myself any. better to be a seal or to do an doing. now as an author cuz reading is really. the the foundation of all of it that's.

such a great lesson for people listening. that you can apply to almost anything in. life like just focus on something be. super dedicated to it cover all the. bases and then go for it and you nailed. it if the terminal list is your first. book that's crazy yeah that's but it was. how many rewrites were there or edits I. thought there was going to be a lot. because you're sending this to Simon and. Schuster it's a publisher of all these. books that I've read growing up and. they're I thought oh they know what. they're doing back there so going to. make all these changes very few the. questions that I got back are still the.

ones that I get content edits today. which are like hey explain this for. somebody who wasn't in the military or. now hey explain this for someone who. hasn't read the previous six books uh. put another sentence in there or two. just to explain who this person is and. why they're here um so those are the. kind of edits that I get but no real big. content edits at all and I didn't know. because I'm stepping into this for the. first time back then and I didn't know. if it was going to be like hey you know. what you should lay off on the vi or do. you have to have so many guns in there. or uh do you have to describe them.

nothing there's zero see the thing is. about books you can kind of go ham in a. book like and people don't really cancel. books you know they don't get you know. what I'm saying like you can with with. written fiction you can get pretty. [ __ ] crazy to the point where if that. was in a movie people would like what. kind of [ __ ] made this movie cuz we I. I think we think about movies as movies. shaped our Narrative of reality in a. good way like the good guy always wins.

you know bad guy always dies like it's. kind of predictable that's why we like. superhero movies right but in a work of. fiction like a novel you can get pretty. dark yeah there's I have 100% complete. creative control no one and I love that. my agent or my publisher never suggests. anything uh and I love that I didn't. know that was how it was going to be. going in cuz I saw you know you're. watching um like California C you know. you're seeing David duy and his. relationship with his agent or you're.

watching um what was that other one uh. the one about the agent in LA with Ari. um uh oh uh yeah that one Entourage. Entourage Entourage so that's what kind. of thought agents were um Hollywood. different I think literature agents. understand creativity a little bit. better yeah also Hollywood agents can. you know they just it's a different. animal different kind of human I haven't. experienced those ones that that are. kind of the caricature of an agent I a. bunch of them I haven't experienced that. yet the difference is those guys don't. read read wheeling and dealing and.

they're doing their thing they're doing. coke and [ __ ] driving Ferraris they. don't have time for reading no not. reading so I have not I'm sure that they. exist I just have not experienced it yet. because now there I have like five. agents now there's one for every there's. a there's the the literary agent um. there's a book adaptation agent there's. unscripted agent there's podcast agent. um and more that I'm forgetting um so. there there's a lot now but none of them. give me advice on what to do. having creative control I absolutely. that and there's no one to blame people.

hate this all on me it's not like my. agent I knew I shouldn't have done that. CU she said I needed to put this other. character in or something [ __ ] uh. there's none of that zero yeah it I mean. unfortunately I think it has to come. from you like I think that's what makes. work of fiction and really good books. makes it so unique is that you know it's. coming from one person's mind that this. thought this this these ideas that they. had they they they wrote it out and they. they sat there and they summon the Muse. and they put it all together and then.

it's I know it's coming out of you so. it's like part of the buzz of it yeah is. that this person make that's one thing. that I think is always going to exist. even when AI starts writing insane books. you're always going to want a book that. came from a person's mind just like you. want a pair of handmade boots yeah good. point yeah yeah I know very good point U. Hollywood different though screenwriting. so I just sent off episode 107 right. before I came over from the hotel I hit. the button on send for episode 107 for. this uh new um it's not really a.

spin-off it's its own series but a. prequel origin story Taylor kitch. playing Ben Edwards um his origin story. that gets him to a place shows his. journey to get him to a place where he. can do the things that he did in the. terminal list in the book and in the in. the show um because he was so good and. that's writing those things is a team. effort for sure um as you know from. writing scripts there there are. constraint budgetary constraints the. location constraints there's a story Arc. within that episode and then overarching. story arc for the whole whether it's s. eight or whatever how many episodes.

there are so there's all those things to. consider and then there's notes from. senior level Executives all the way back. down very collaborative so it's that's. good though that you're collaborating. because the other option is you just. sell it and they do it and that's never. fun like everyone that I've ever talked. to that ever sold a script or sold a. book idea and they turned it into a. movie and they didn't have anything to. do with it they [ __ ] hated it yeah I. mean you have buying and there it's good. and bad because it's not going to be a. strict adaptation there's going to be. changes and like theay man like the.

movie The Grey man if you read the book. The greyman and then you watch the movie. The Grey man you're like what is this. yeah this is not the same thing it's a. totally different movie yeah there's. like all these people that don't exist. there's all these things that don't. exist yeah like the character is not as. complex yeah I mean it it's a thing it's. a thing and there's going to be changes. obviously the book First Blood very. different than the movie First Blood um. and I never read that book it's it's. great it's so different I mean you get. you get uh. perspective uh there's no there's no. knife in it yet Sylvester Stallone.

brought that to the uh he knew the. importance of a knif yeah he brought it. to the uh to because he knew the. importance of props uh which is why I. gave James Reese the uh the tomahawks. because I knew the importance of props. as well from that and uh and actually. Stallone was this was so cool I got to. talk to to Stallone he was fantastic he. was awesome he wanted to uh jump on a. zoom with me and I was like oh my God as. a child of the 80s I was so fired up so. I was just like trying to play it cool. right like trying to play a cool I have. my phone down in the corner trying to. I'm taking some pictures you know just. to to commemorate this this moment but.

he was funny he was wise um and uh. passed he passed along some lessons and. uh yeah we got to hang out and talk and. see if there was something that we could. do together so I wrote up a a little. treatment for him specifically and you. know probably nothing will ever come of. it because you know how Hollywood works. and you never you never know um but uh. but it was cool to cool to do that was a. that was a big moment that's very cool. that was fun yeah you never that guy was. [ __ ] doing stunts into his deep into. his 60s broke his neck in The. Expendables yeah like literally broke.

his neck he had about it his neck fused. like when he moves he's kind of stiff. and that that's why his neck is fused oh. yeah what an animal though in his 60s. amazing doing stunts yeah and now late. 70s still like [ __ ] jeanclaude vanam. yeah yeah like what uhhuh yeah but. that's how dedicated that guy and such. and great writer people don't understand. just what a great writer he is what a. great mind that is all those all those. films coming from that mind and yeah. what a great what a great guy it's funny. that people assume that a certain point.

in time someone doing something awesome. is going to want to stop you know yeah. like that's still like why is he still. working doesn't he have all the money in. the world what the [ __ ] are you doing I. think he just loves it he must I mean. that's what you get off on now it's not. a thing it's like most people think. about work as like a thing you do for. money and then you get eventually get. enough money you don't work but if you. actually do something you love like why. would you stop why do you want to stop I. think that's a difference between. thinking of something in terms of a. career and thinking of it in terms of a. profession and there's a difference. there's Precision in language reflects.

Precision in thought someone told me a. long time ago and uh that's a different. thing a career is something let's say. you walk in and uh you're working your. way up that ladder and you have a plan. and profession is something that's a. calling it seems so the profession of. arms there's a reason we call it a. profession of arms not the career of. arms although there a lot of careerists. in the military uh that are working. their way up that ladder and you cover. that in the book I Do cover that and I. get to take them out and uh sort of. creative ways so it's very therapeutic. for me to write these things yeah. there's a lot of grossness that's what's.

really sad is that you would think that. the military would be like the most pure. of all institutions because it has to be. because you're literally taking the. strongest amongst us and having them go. and fight for our country and fight for. our interests and you would think that. there's no room for [ __ ] but. apparently there's a lot of room for. [ __ ] well there's a lot of room for. advancement I guess if you uh simply. don't pop positive on a piss test uh. don't get too many DUIs and don't get. arrested for let's say domestic violence. or something like that you can stay in.

the military for a long time uh so you. don't need to excel uh when you hit. certain certain um a certain Rank and I. think that when you that's what we see. it play out in Afghanistan August of. 2021 that's 20 years of being able to. plan for that withdrawal and that's the. best that our military leaders could do. 20 years to prepare for that so I. somebody can look at that who never had. any touch point with military and apply. common sense and logic to that problem. set and have a much better plan to.

extract forces from Afghanistan that. whole thing seemed insane ridiculous it. seemed insane and it's for whatever. reason it's not being discussed when. people are talking about this. presidential race y that was one of the. more insane things of of our time and. then when you talk to people that were. there like Tim Kennedy has told me some. horror stories oh yeah about what was. going on there those babies throwing. over the the fence and the Barb Wire saw. worse things during that time than all. of his tours jeez they were Taliban just.

killed a woman in front of them just. openly like put her head on a on a truck. and shot her in the head in front of. everybody and it was unnecessary that's. the whole thing it was unnecessary if. you I don't understand how you can do. that I don't know I don't understand. like I mean if you're going to execute. something that's as complex as removing. all the troops from a place that we've. occupied for 20 years yeah like it seems. like that would involve a a very.

thoroughly reviewed plan one many. experts and come up with what's going to. cause the least likelihood of casualties. and yeah no I thought about it in the. early days so uh in 2003 in Afghanistan. and I thought I was catching the tail. end of it then uh because the flash. points before that we had Mogadishu we. had Panama Grenada desert one so after. Vietnam you had these flash points um. and this was now we're moving into. extended combat operations but from the.

end of Vietnam up to then our our model. is a flasho essentially so we all. thought if we weren't there essentially. right after 911 that we were going to. miss it and then we have essentially 20. years but I remember being the back of a. hux pickup truck with um with a Afghan. guy and I'd always ask him if they were. back then I could ask him if they were. Mo if they they fought the Soviets. because I was always interested in that. history and uh their back stories and. what that life was like in the late '70s. through the 80s into the '90s and so I. was always essentially collecting. information just cuz I was curious but.

as I'm talking to this guy I distinctly. remember thinking man one day we're. going to leave this place and this guy. is helping us right now what's going to. happen to his family when we leave this. place and uh yeah we saw that all play. out it was 20 years later but uh we. didn't that play out there was no. reporting on it like no it just. disappeared yeah we hear about it from. soldiers we we hear about it from people. that are you know like deeply embedded. journalists that were there but most. people people. that know about that story don't know. about all the people that worked with.

the United States over there that are. [ __ ] we don't even know what happened. to them yep no it's it's awful we have a. history doing that though I mean we did. it in in Vietnam did it with the Kurds. after the first Gulf War so we don't. have a very good track record as far as. taking care of those and their families. who help us over there and they get left. behind typically and then family. slaughtered it's hard to imagine that. that's how we approach things yeah like. you don't want to think that the people. that are in charge are that. incompetent or that are that callous or.

that are that they just look at a. numbers thing instead of look at bodies. in human lives yeah well all that stuff. I get to I get to to write about these. guys meeting their ends in a in horrible. ways in the pages of the novel so it's. uh I guess that's that's my way to do my. part to kind of keep that history live. because you can go back to fiction let's. say you can go back Ian Fleming we. talked about him earlier you can go back. and read those books from the 50s and. that really is a portal back to postor. War II Great Britain and they're. changing place in the world I mean.

Empire Decline and that's Ian Fleming's. way to keep that old Empire alive is. through James Bond and uh his creation. so it's uh their time capsules back to. the time in which they were written Go. books in the 70s books in the 80s go. back reading the Tom Clancy read uh um. other t for October Patriot Games. whatever it is it's a snapshot of what's. going on there geopolitically and then. also things like searching for a for a. uh a phone booth and looking for a. quarter that sort of a thing so all. those those things so I like to weave. kind of pop culture and uh and history.

into the pages of the novels as well. because they are their time capsules for. the time in which they're written but. it's also a constraint because now you. have to think about Teslas and GPS's and. cars and GPS's and phones and video. cameras everywhere so you have to think. about that especially when you're. writing a like Espionage type of a. thriller you have to think about all. that stuff and weave it into every. chapter same thing with film and and. screenplays you have to be like a and. this script why wouldn't he just pick up. his phone and call this guy and tell him. uh to like wave off or something like. that whereas in the 80s or 70s like that.

guy's gone how are you going to contact. this guy so it's just a different. Dynamic and you have to think about that. as you're writing these things so it's. just another uh another interesting. thing that you need to uh think through. and creatively solve for I was thinking. about this the other day when I knew. that we were going to talk how. complicated is it to try to make a. reasonable storyline where someone. evades capture today yeah it's a thing. because if someone is using a phone they.

know where you are yeah if you are. running around in a city they're going. to have access to security cameras. they're going to have street cameras in. some countries and you know you you. could be tracked so easily yeah be. tracked from [ __ ] space yep it's a. it's a whole thing so you seen those. photos that they take satellite photos. from space I've seen a lot but I don't. know if I've seen the ones you're. thinking of. license license place read a license. plate from space Oh yeah you got to. think about all this stuff and this is.

like from years ago oh yeah you could. see your license plates a while back. it's probably full scale video now or. facial recognition technology say back. in the 60s or something like that you're. forging passports and all that sort of. thing that's a nogo right now I saw the. [ __ ] craziest story about this guy. who got a bunch of plastic surgery and. changed his appearance and changed his. name so that he could try to date his. girlfriend had a restraining order on. him what yeah what this [ __ ] psycho. changed his face bleach blonde dyed his.

hair lost a ton of weight looked like a. totally different guy so he could date. his girlfriend that put a restraining. order on that's a little creepy it. sounds like it should be a movie or some. sort or a uh law and orderb that should. be a hole in the desert that's the guy. what yeah that is crazy what year is. this is this recent 2020 some tweets. bringing it up this is it wasn't. recently but 2020 4 years ago got gets. plastic surgery and name change to date.

his ex-girlfriend after she obtains a. restraining did it work how far did he. get that's a good question did she find. out that's a good question it seems like. there' be a tell or it seems like he'd. just be too creepy to even re-engage. really or with anyone actually yeah I. mean maybe he knew like what creeped her. out so he like started slowly did the. opposite yeah and just do the opposite. of what my real personality would do but. be a real story yeah oh it says no this. man did not look up there it says no.

this man did not not successful or he. didn't do that said he didn't get it. it's [ __ ] aha these sons of [ __ ]. what's the actual. truth that's the thing how do you even. figure this out could just be one of. those urban legends and someone just. took it too far we found a disclaimer. World News Daily oh that's a silly new a. go oh that's a silly newspaper satire. got okay they got us sons of [ __ ]. sons of [ __ ] still it's a good idea. for a script what was the script you. were working on back then it was a. werewolf movie nice yeah what happened I.

just have it sitting around in my. computer all right I should do something. with it eventually yeah yeah um we. should do something speaking of which. Patrick bed David was. uh there was some video where he was. showing uh. Obama and he thinks Obama has a mask on. not excuse me I keep see excuse me Biden. he thinks Biden is not really Biden that. it's someone pretending to be Biden that. has a mask on cuz he was like talking. very clearly uhhuh they were just.

reviewing it does that technology exist. I'm already on the clip does that does. that technology exist is that Poss pop. up as well I think it's makeup makeup. kind they can use prosthetic masks and. and they can do an insane job of. changing your appearance but these guys. are like accusing Biden of having this. on which I think like boy that's a loose. end if that's true like there's too many. people out there that would know I know. oh like that sometimes lighting can look. weird I mean I see it looks like say.

people now claiming that Joe Biden has. different skin color on his face than. his neck yeah well they do do the makeup. let me see what it looks. like well there's the collar okay. there's a shadow on the collar yeah no. see that's just the shadow I think that. but I see like that clip at the end. right but weird but that's a bunch of. different lights that's all that is. lighting make it looks bad but that's. also low resolution video yeah if they. were going to do that do you think they. would keep the [ __ ] neck color. different I would think that they would.

be smarter than this and can you even do. that but if you can get that good where. you can make the face look that good and. they keep comparing his old face to his. new face first of all the guy got. plastic surgery clearly he got a. facelift he's got his face pulled back. to try to look younger which never works. just makes you look weird it does look. weird it just makes you look like a. lizard but the Shadows to me look like. Studio lighting you have multiple cam. multiple lights coming from a bunch of. different angles that's what it looks. like like he's moving around but it's. because he has a collar and the collar.

is catching the light so there's light. down here there's light above that's why. it looks weird that's why it looks like. two-tone because it's essentially. getting a shadow but then the shadow is. also getting light from the upper light. from the upper cameras see he looks fake. right there but that's just Shadows it's. because he's being lit From Below right. yeah it looks it does look odd do you. think he probably being lit from a. couple different spots yeah I don't. think you can I mean I definitely think. you can get a face like mask and make.

you look like him but how are you going. to talk like him yeah they probably just. gave him a solid dose ater all that day. I remember seeing this clip I saw the. very end of it where they have an expert. of some kind this guy he says that like. they've been using body doubles since. yes theyan and he's like it's plausible. that they could maybe have F The Voice. by now but yeah I doubt you would have. to so you would what you would have to. do is you'd have to have the person in. the mask and they to talk in their voice. and then what you could do with AI is. change the voice to be exactly like.

Biden's voice you could do that but that. requires so many people to be in on it. including the person being interviewed. or the person interviewing Biden the all. the people that are watching right. that's a lot of loose ends there yeah. that's where a lot of these things I. think fall apart in that case that's a. lot of loose ends especially like camera. guys and a lot of hardworking folks a. lot of [ __ ] probably Republicans that. are involved in people doing that sort. of thing you know they'd have to sign. ndas but people talk yeah it's like.

especially something like that like oh. my God they had a fake president give a. conversation and that's what you're. seeing you're seeing a fake president. this is crazy yeah it's a little odd. Benjamin Franklin said three people can. keep a secret if two of them are dead. and so that's there's something to that. there's certainly something to that um. and yeah like you're right all those all. the people that actually do the work the. Tactical level work like that's what I. think about in for Hollywood now when. you see let's say star of a show say. something on social media that makes. everybody crazy I'm never going to watch. that person's show again or see that.

movie I'm never going to watch another. movie by that person that's one person. like that's the one person who goes up. and accepts the award but there's 300. other people 400 other people even more. than that doing all that tactical Bas. level work the hair and makeup people. the stunt people all of those people are. part of this thing part of this project. and that's their jobs too uh so I think. about that now when you see someone say. something kind of Off the Wall okay. that's that's that that person is the. essentially the spokesperson for that. show if they're a star but there's so. many other people that help bring that.

then put in so much. work go spout out some political opinion. and then I mean like look what's going. on right now with Robert dairo oh yeah. Robert dairo because look there's. something about being a star where you. think your opinion is more important. than anybody else's and you can go give. a press conference and he obviously has. been very vocal from 2016 that he hates. Trump for whatever reason maybe they. have some. whatever it is but now he's like holding. press conferences so now everyone's.

heckling him everywhere he goes like you. opened up this instead of just being. this cranky old liberal which I know a. lot of them you know instead of that now. you're this guy that is yelling at other. people that are Trump supporters and. they're yelling at you like you've. opened yourself up to this nonsense. right why I do that at that age even. like why now every movie you go to 50% %. of the population is going to not want. to go see that movie yeah instead of. just you.

know I think there's a certain thing. involved in being an actor at a very. high level and I think that's one of the. reasons why you never see like Daniel D. Lewis do give conversations you know. like well he disappeared yeah where did. he go he's very rarely talking about. things that are in the news and he's not. doing one of those [ __ ] imagine. there's no heaven videos and everybody's. get Co remember those you know those and. there's a bunch of uh celebrities were. telling you how important it is to not. vote for Trump there was all these.

videos from 2016 you're not going to see. Daniel de Lewis in those no because and. for Daniel de Lewis for the master of. Masters to be able to embody these. completely different human beings yeah. you kind of don't want to know much. about him as a person yeah we don't and. I think he he pretty much did he retire. he became a cobbler yeah and I think he. stopped doing that and uh I don't think. he acts anymore though yeah cobbler in. Ireland right I don't know he became a. boxer for a full year whoa yeah he did.

that movie I think it's called the boxer. it's about the IRA it's about a guy who. goes to prison and comes out and he. looks like a legitimate boxer like. better than anybody else who has ever. been in a movie about a boxer really. well he's he goes all in yeah the other. the guys in other movies they box like. no one's punched him in the face yeah. you know or no one's going to punch. maybe somebody has but no one's going to. punch them in the face so they're. throwing punches and it's not it doesn't.

look real to me yeah that's why you have. a hard time with Rocky right I have hard. time with I know you do I mean it's a. great movie I loved it when I was a kid. when I was a kid I drank raw eggs and I. ran around the block when I saw it it. was fantastic it was awesome and so. that's that's that's what I miss I mean. I miss those days and I miss that the. feeling of watching those movies and. getting just fired up and then going out. doing pull-ups and sprinting Hills it's. hard when you know something when you. know something like if you were watching. a movie about the military were doing. [ __ ] that's just absolutely never going. to happen and not real takes you out of. it you're like ah [ __ ] out of here I.

know and that's what we that's what was. important to Antoine fuka uh to Chris. Bratt David ailo to me was have doing. something that when somebody who served. in the military or law enforcement. firefighter intelligence officer. somebody that did these things for real. can pop that beer and sit on their couch. and watch the show wanted them to know. we at least tried we at least tried to. get it right there going to be some. Hollywood hot sauce of course we Chris. talks about it in terms of like 80%. authenticity and 20% Hollywood hot sauce. because you gota move that gotta move. that story forward you know you gotta.

gota move it forward that's a great term. Hollywood hot sauce yeah but the problem. is sometimes it's too much hot sauce and. overwhelms the meal or they don't know. and it's it does take another breath and. I take you have to take a moment to try. to get these things right it's easy not. easy it's still hard to make any show um. and that that's why I appreciate all. shows out there now because I know how. much work goes into making even the bad. ones and how easy it is for things to go. off the rail so it's a shocker that. anything gets made or anything good gets. made certainly um but it's so you do.

have to take that extra moment to think. about hey how is this going to look to. somebody who does this for real yeah you. have to respect that as soon as you make. a film about something and the people in. the film like you have a movie about. dancing and they dance like [ __ ] like. this is stupid this movie sucks if. you're a professional dancer you'd be. mad you'd be like this is horrible and. like they do that in some karate movies. but there's a expensive disbelief aspect. of those movies where you jump up and. kick two people at the same time it's. kind of fun yeah I know there's the fun.

aspect but if you're trying to make a. serious film and try to do this like. that's why Daniel de Lewis is so great. because he becomes that character I. think you have to talk to him on set. like he's that character is that right. exactly yeah yeah yeah he was Abraham. Lincoln for like a year right that's. right it's it's so interesting because I. don't see that I have not seen that yet. well that's [ __ ] up because nobody. even watched that movie oh man you waste. your time being Abraham Lincoln for a. year and nobody even talks about the. movie I know that's tough that's why I. write this onepage executive summary. when I start these things and I ask. myself is this worth the next year year. and a half of my life and if it's if yes.

then I go all in but I read it again and. I say is this worth someone's walking by. Hudson News and grabs this off the shelf. and reads the back of this paperback or. whatever and is it interesting enough. for them to devote time they're never. going to get back to this story um I. have a hard time with those uh movies. about real people where you don't know. what they said to their wife behind. closed doors like Abraham Lincoln like. how the [ __ ] do you know what he said. what what are you doing here you just. putting a bunch of words in his mouth. hisorical fiction you take a little. literary license and I don't like it you.

don't like that I don't like it either. all fake or all documentary or we're. going here what are you doing yeah we're. making it up I Can't Get Behind these. movies about like real people and you. have them talking to their kid you know. what the [ __ ] they you know what they're. saying unfortunately no recordings of. Lincoln's voice exist since he died 12. years before Thomas Edison invented the. phonograph the first device to record. and play back sound if anyone had an. educated guest as to how it sounded. though it would be holer who has written. 40 books on Lincoln 40 books on Lincoln.

the Civil War what a psycho that guy. must be you know that guy's out there. reenacting the Civil War he's one of. those wild that is wild 40 books on. Lincoln in the Civil War man that seems. a little crazy but speaking Daniel de. Lewis though I like that like I love Ira. movies like 80s Ira 70s like Ira movies. I think those are those are good yes. like even the bad ones are good I like. that I just started watching peaky. blinders I not watched it yet I need to. watch it [ __ ]. great it's [ __ ] great I I burned. through the gentleman which is Guy. Richie's new show on Netflix which is.

amazing it's [ __ ] great Prime guy. Richie it's great and then uh a lot of. friends have been telling me like you. got to watch pey blind and Jamie keeps. telling me I got to watch the wire and. that's next the wire's next but I got to. get through peeky blinders pey blinders. is [ __ ] great what do they say there. there two people kind of types of people. in this world those who have watched pey. blinders and those who have not really I. think I've seen that's ridiculous I've. seen that Meme somewhere someone in. Africa yeah yeah bro you haven't even. watched peeky blinders I know what's. going on uh no I to watch I there.

there's so many things I want to watch. but just having a time because it's. today is the craziest time ever for. television and films and so many of. these incredible series you know like. these things where they take like Ozark. where they you follow the entire. storyline for years and you know like. the soprano started that which is still. like one of the greats Tony just started. watching The Sopranos again nice I know. I missed that too cuz that came out. right around uh when did it come out. when 200ish so right around September 11.

so as soon as that I remember it was. starting up that been Peak yeah it was. like the first season I think was 2000. at the end of 99 or something like that. lasted to 2009 yeah I kind of lost a lot. of that that during that time frame. because sure 911 going down range. focused on that starting a family all. that stuff so we we kind of missed uh a. little bit in there so now I need to go. back and watch go back and watch The. Sopranos it's [ __ ] incredible see. scenes all the time you know you see. scenes all the time they pop up on your. feed and all that stuff it's fantastic. it's hard to believe that you root for a.

guy who's a criminal and a murderer yeah. yeah like he's your hero yeah like well. I kind of right about that in here my. guy goes off the uh you know kind of. little little but his is understandable. yeah t Tony Soprano is a criminal a. lifelong mafia guy who's robbing people. and stealing things Reservoir Dogs and. you're watching Reservoir Dogs and. you're loving all those guys. conversations and and all the rest of it. they're all bad guys yeah I mean a lot. of those a lot of Tarantino stuff oh. yeah well it's that's I like that like a. complicated movie yeah yeah where people.

are complicated yeah exactly interesting. yeah interesting people um and I like. you I want to like somebody too so you. can even like that's what you're saying. you're saying that you like these guys. who happen to be criminals or doing bad. things or whatever because of the way. the way they're written the way they. come you get to know them through these. things I mean it was crazy everybody. wanted to be in the. MOB the mob probably recruited quite a. few people during those days well. there's the whole story behind Godfather. and all that stuff too oh I bet I bet I.

mean that was an amazing movie I bet. that made a lot of people want to become. Mobsters probably or you uh have you. heard um uh uh Danny tro talk about. doing uh there's a couple movies that. came out about uh gangs and his his. affiliation there with those but he's. acting in these same things and having. to go and actually get like permission. from the different gangs to Che them he. has it in his biography it's pretty. pretty interesting stuff but similar. type of a deal wasn't that a deal also. with Edward James alos when what was it.

American me there was American me and. then there was um Blood In Blood Out it. came out about the same time um is that. the same thing I think there I don't. think that's Edward James almost though. right right right American me I think he. got into trouble with some of the. Mexican gangs for the way things are. depicted yeah you have to have. permission for stuff yeah well I was. going to go to maau for this one so so. uh part of China and um I don't think I. can go there now I think I needed to do. it before I wrote this book oh yeah so I.

think I luckily I went to Russia before. for um my third novel for Savage son I. went over to kamaka Peninsula did a hunt. over there um and uh had a crazy. experience um with a a bear over there. um but I I don't think I I don't know if. I should go back I don't think should go. back look what they did a Britney. grinder I know exactly yeah if you. American Patriot actor Danny tro said in. an interview he was of 10 people having. been murdered for their involvement in. the film holy [ __ ] man holy [ __ ] the.

first killing occurred 12 days after the. film's premiere when one of the film's. Consultants Charles Charlie Brown uh. Manriquez a member of La was killed in. Ramona Gardens LA's oldest public. housing project another consultant the. film 49-year-old grandmother Anna lazara. lazara commonly known as the gang lady. was murdered when she was gunned down. her East Los Angeles driveway while. loading luggage into her car the day of. her mother's funeral dang.

wow wow yeah they were pissed careful. yeah yeah it's like dangerous people. you're making movies about do you ever. worry about that with stuff you talk. about on here yeah you could always. worry about that yeah I mean if you're. going to talk about things that are. consequential right you know I mean we. live in a weird [ __ ] world right now. yeah we live in a weird world of all. kinds of insane things happening. simultaneously yeah you know yeah it's. pretty wild I got I got off the plane.

yesterday and I hear this Jack and it. was a uh guy walks up and he ended up. being an Austin detective um so first I. thought I was in trouble and he's just. uh he liked the the books and everything. we have apparently have some mutual. mutual friends but uh yeah it's crazy. out there and people can find you so. much easier now I don't like that I. don't like it's a it's definitely not a. safer time to be alive but it's also. it's interesting that we're moving. towards some I mean because people can. find you we're moving towards some very. weird thing where there's not going to.

be any secrets anymore yeah and I don't. think it's that far from now and I think. it might be the only way human beings. ever truly understand each other really. I think it's going to happen through. technology and I think it's going to. happen in our lifetimes that our. relationship to each other is going to. be incredibly different than what it is. now man neuralink we got that coming up. I talk think that's a part of it I have. Alice as character I in two two books. ago for in the in the blood and uh an AI. quantum computer and people really lik. this character but I didn't want I had.

to sideline her for the next one for the. last book because I didn't want to rely. on her like Michael Knight in the 80s. calling kit car and his watch and having. it jump in Trans Am and zip off so I. sidelined her last book but I knew I. couldn't introduce a character like that. and not and just ignore her forever so. she comes back in this and even since I. did the research for the last book and. that's only two years uh things have. increased at such an exponential rate as. far as AI quantum Computing and then the. military side of that autonomous control. of platform so all these new things that. are coming out whether it's submarines.

or it's aircraft or Surface ships. whatever it might be they're all being. built so that they can be autonomously. controlled they may not be yet but they. have that ability have you seen that. insane new ship that's autonomous that's. all controlled it looks like a mant. array oh yeah yeah I've seen that one. that's that one's no passengers no no. crew's nobody on it at all no one on it. at all it's just a machine it looks like. a damn spaceship see if you can find it. it's crazy looking you look at it you're.

like if this was not ours if you were. living in like 1970 and someone saw. something like this yeah dang look at. that that's crazy that's wild no windows. You' be like oh my God it's spaceship. it's from another planet all new stealth. stuff stealth bombers the speed that. this thing go at the altitudes that they. travel it's wild well I also think. there's new ones that operate on. geothermal energy oh wow and they can. make hydrogen out of water like they can. do wild [ __ ] with some of these new.

devices that they're creating and this. is the future this is the future right. here so that's what I'm exploring this. in this thing it's like what happens if. you turn over autonomous control or have. one of these things just take control. right that is a real problem that that's. that's a real problem that people are. terrified of when it comes to weapon. systems and if you're doing it what is. China doing so if we're doing it and. China's doing it and you have to get. inside your enemies decision-making. process and they're making decisions so. fast uh using AI to make I mean you can. have missiles raining down on the west.

coast before our generals and elected. leaders or like I hate calling them. leaders elected representatives because. they're not really they don't seem like. leaders to me elected representatives. because they're supposed to represent us. um before they're even out of bed yeah. and not only that but these supersonic. ones can change directions so you can't. even picture where they're going. Hypersonic ones Hypersonic missiles. passive targeting um so you have all of. these things so I got to explore all. that in that's probably why this book. took so long is because I was uh doing. that research and it's just new things. coming to light every single day and.

then people you're talking to and that. space giving you little hints about. what's really out there uh and then you. talk to somebody else who gives you. another little hint and you get to put. this Mosaic together like a reporter. might and uh I think what I describe in. the book uh I think we're way past it. we're already way past it as far as. Quantum Computing Ai and what the the. ability of those platforms what what. what they have what they can do yeah I. think so too I think what we know is. probably really the tip of the iceberg. and I think they're probably far more.

advanced than we think they are right. now I think that's what a lot of the UAP. stuff is yeah I've been thinking that. for a long time I think it's very. possible that we are visited it's very. Tucker Carlson seems to think they're. Spiritual Beings that they've always. been here like they're devils and angels. right that might be true too I don't. know listen to that I mean but also. probably do get visited but also. probably some of those are ours probably. there's something about the government. telling you that these are off-world. crafts and we go oh you made it.

instantly right my brain goes you're not. Square about anything right all those. stealth technology you know and they. finally unveiled it I think in the maybe. late 80s um part of that was to let the. Soviets know that we do have this. capability because they didn't have. those yet and so we can get there before. they'd even know my fear is that they're. not ours yeah the big fear is that not. only do they exist but maybe some of. them are not ours and so some other. countries have the ability to have these. things that move in these insane ways. that we can't quite do yeah that might.

be possible too but if they're telling. you that they're from another planet. they're not from another planet that's. my feeling they're not they spent three. years lying about the Russia collusion. story and they got mainstream media to. repeat it all they spent all these years. lying about like fill in the blank. everything pretty much everything why. the [ __ ] would we believe they're. telling us the truth about UFOs exactly. I just think the whole thing. seems it seems Seems suspect yeah it. just seems too obvious mhm you know I.

just I don't believe that they would. just start telling you that there's. off-world crafts I just like I don't. think so right all these years now you. guys are just going to start oh it's. these Brave whistleblowers are you sure. are you sure cuz yeah yeah I smell. [ __ ] I smell at least some of this. is [ __ ] I don't know how much of. it's [ __ ] though I think I think. there's too many stories from the past. when this technology was impossible the. Kenneth Arnold sightings when they first.

uh started calling them flying saucers I. think he saw them in was it Washington. state is that is that a long time ago. yeah it was in the 1950s most of them. started happening after we dropped the. bombs that's why my comedy club the. rooms are named after the nuclear bombs. yeah it's Fatman and little boy oh yeah. yeah yeah because in UFO folklore it's. obviously the comedy Mothership UF you. walk in the front doors of UFO fantastic. in UFO lore they all started appearing. shortly after the UFO the the bombs were.

dropped 1947 and that's when we'. reorganized the military and. intelligence agencies uh right there we. changed the department of war the. Department of Defense and uh Secretary. of War to the Secretary of Defense and. everything gets reorganized right 1947. is a very pivotal year so look at what. it says here Kenneth Arnold and UFO. sighting occurred on June 24th 1947 when. Private Pilot Kenneth Arnold claimed. that he saw a string of nine shiny un. unidentified flying objects flying past. Mount rineer at speeds that Arnold.

estimated at a minimum of 1,200 mil an. hour dang dud so he saw these things. flying at a rate you know in 47 they. propeller planes and there's no way. anything we had could move like that and. he's watching these things go at an. insane rate of speed and so he said they. skipped across the sky like flying. saucers on a lake and so it became. Flying Saucer buing saucers yeah and so. but people back then that saw those. things there's no way that was the. Soviets there's no way that was the.

Germans there was no no no no that's not. ours so whatever the [ __ ] that is if. that was real if the guy really did see. those things and then there was a string. of them that were over the White House. in. 1950 something really yeah there was a. there was photographed ones that were. over the White House there's actually. like a news story about it that these. things Flew Over The White House okay. and I think they moved at a bizarre rate. of speed too so those ones give me pause. because look the universe is that's.

obviously a drawing that's a drawing uh. but I think there is a photograph of it. yeah I think that's is that the. photograph wild don't know they might. not. be okay saucers over Washington DC so. what does the story say that looks like. a comic book senior air Route traffic. controller for the cival Aeronautics. Administration was in charge of the N. National Airport Wast DC art control. center on the night of July 19th 1952. briefly he States in a newspaper article. our job is to constantly monitor.

disguise around the nation's capital. with electronic eye of radar shortly. after midnight on that day seven Pips. appeared suddenly on the control center. scope Ed nit Jim Copeland and Jim Richie. All experienced radar controllers. checked the uh the observations the. airport control tower radar operator. verified the same sightings they were. over the restricted areas of Washington. including the White House and the. Capital dude so those kind of things. yeah yeah you got to go well what is. that right look the universe is Big.

beyond our wildest imagination there's. no way we could even fathom how big it. is yeah it's not possible look at that. yeah so they moved at such sudden burst. of intense speed that radar could not. track them simultaneously those objects. seemed to head for the White House the. capital building and the White House. triangular for and the White House in. triangular formations the lighting made. the front page the sighting rather made. the front page headlines in all. newspapers dang yeah so those kind of.

things you go okay well what is that. right the universe is it's impossible. for us to even get our heads around how. big it is yeah so if there is some. Planet out there that's in the goldilock. zone that's gone through what we're. going through currently but is 10,000. years ahead of us right and finds the. signature of nuclear bombs on this. planet and they realize okay these crazy. [ __ ] have come into this new age. where they could split the atom and so.

we should probably take a visit yeah. that was interesting hearing Tucker talk. about that part um on here um like where. that technology came from yeah and that. was I really thought about that before. well that's Diana pula's work Diana Pula. and Gary Nolan um who is uh you know. legitimate Professor I believe at. Stanford and they uh Diana Pulu is also. a professor she's a professor of. religion and they um have investigated a. lot of these crash sites and the way. they describe them the people that are.

investigating the crash sites the actual. scientists they call them donations what. yeah donations that's how they they disc. they don't even think they're. crashing like as an accident they think. some of them they're just sending down. here like hey figure that out stupid you. know send them to some remote place yeah. slam it down there and then the. government has to rope off the area and. you can still find Parts in this one. area of New Mexico where this one crash. site was they didn't tell them where it. was they blindfolded them took them out.

to this crash site let him investigate. it and you can still find these pieces. of this some kind of metal that you can. take and you can crumple it in your hand. like tin foil and then it goes right. back to the original shape really this. is the same thing that was described in. Roswell New Mexico the people that the. Roswell thing is very hard because. there's so many people involved and and. there's so many similar stories but the. problem is when a story's been told for.

so long people repeat a story they're. told in towns when there's you know. there's no recording devices there's no. you know you no one has phones this is a. long time ago they have you know regular. phones but no no cell phones obviously. and what they're doing with all this. stuff is they're all talking about it. and then a narrative gets established. and then people tend to repeat. narratives that are established right. it's hard cuz you're talking about. something that happened in 1947 but. there's a lot of things that come almost. right after Roswell one of them is a.

transistor and the other one is. um. microchip what is that stuff called. fiber optics fiber optics fiber optics. seem to emerge after that and it's one. of the things that's described in the. crash yeah the people that have. described it but the thing is like again. you're hearing these things decades. later you're hearing it's. it's very difficult to figure out what. the [ __ ] actually happened but something. seems to have happened because the. Roswell Daily Record I have a framed.

cover of the front page of the Roswell. Daily Record from 1947 where it says. that we there's a crashed UFO that the. government flew to the base and that you. know it's like in the news yeah which. doesn't seem like something back then. that you would just make up yeah I don't. know unless there's a reason behind it. distraction I mean who knows it's uh. yeah who knows it could be something. that the United States was working on. but it seems like they were trying to. cover it up so much so that they flew.

the wreckage in two separate um planes. to R pison Air Force Base and Truman met. him. there things yeah 47's a big year 63. obviously a big year with the Kennedy. assassination 59 is a huge year a lot of. things happen in 59 there's a book was. it Trum or Eisenhower met him there I. forget but all that that time is so. filled with deception and weirdness. right it's also when Operation Paperclip. was going on so they took all of these. Nazi scientists from Germany and they.

brought them over and integrated them in. NASA isn't that wild all those people. that had those backgrounds did the. things that they did back there and. bring them over and they all a lot of. them had those dueling scars on their. face so they look Sinister oh you know. about the dueling scars so Nazis I guess. when they were going through this right. of passage when they were in uh whatever. University they were going to they would. have duels with real rapers like real. swords and they would slice their faces. up wow they would wear goggles what and.

yeah and they would have sword fights I. feel like I should know this these guys. got their faces all cut to [ __ ] and that. was like part of the the pride of being. a Nazi was you had these dueling scars. on your face that you had done this and. a lot of the guys we brought over from. Operation Paperclip had these dueling. scars on their face and it's one of the. ways that future historians identified. them as clearly being Nazis okay like. these weren't just like freak accents. these guys all had them they all like. crazy like slices in their cheekbones.

show them some pictures cuz it's [ __ ]. crazy to see I can't believe you don't. know about feel like I put this in a. book can't believe I'm teaching I know. it's awesome I love it I forget who told. me about it's going to make it make it. into a book a weird thing that they all. did and there's photos of them all. sliced up like see they all had these. cuts on their faces like look at that. that's what it looked like after the. fact so they wear these goggles on and. nose protectors and they slice each. other's [ __ ] faces apart it looks. like a bad. idea that nuts it's a terrible idea but. it was a sign of being a badass just.

like a lot of Jiu-Jitsu guys today they. like to have cauliflower ear right right. yeah back then if your face sliced up. you were a psycho oh wow that's crazy. yeah it seems like they could wear like. fencing helmets or something no they. didn't want to they didn't want to they. they wanted to get cut up that was part. of the thing that's the thing yeah yeah. dang weird that's wild I feels like that. needs to make it into one of my novels. I'm going. you'd probably want to dive into it. deeper than I have but but it is there. was the point is there was a lot of. deception that was happening in the.

world back then so who knows what the. real story was about Roswell I'm I I. like to think that there's something. going on that's real but I also like to. think that if the donation thing is true. and that's been going on since who knows. how long you know Bob Lazar claimed in. the 19 late 1980s that he had been. working working back engineering one of. these things and the way he described it. is exactly how they see them move today. exactly how there's a video of these.

things moving in bizarre ways no heat. signature they seem to be like shooting. across the sky they can hold still at. 120 knot winds he was describ Terminator. 2 hand you know going back in T2 and uh. reverse engineering that technology from. T it's interesting how how movies and. and books eventually become. reality could travel back and forth. Through Time and you realize that human. beings are going to take x amount of. steps to get somewhere but if you can. inject some technology into the equation.

you could speed up the process. considerably let them do it on their own. let them figure this out like oh. transistor and all a sudden Electronics. get far smaller fiber optics oh okay oh. why didn't I think of that bam. everything gets way way quicker man and. the other thing that Lazar said about. the crafts that was baffling to him in. the 1980s he said there was no seams he. said there was no welds there's no. rivets there's no seams but now we know. about 3D printing now they can 3D print.

anything and if you conceivably have a. machine that's large enough you could 3D. print a spacecraft and it wouldn't have. any seams I mean well going back to 1963. did you hear like Trump saying he's. actually gonna release all the JFK. documents but he said that the first. time yeah he said that the first time he. also said that if you knew what they. told me you would tell people either. what could that be the CIA killed. Kennedy but that seems like we already. have yeah but it's not clear there's a.

lot of uh books that are saying that Lee. Harvey Oswald acted alone that are still. pretty good books yeah you know youal. yeah people read them and they believe. it I don't believe it I think Lee Harvey. Oswald was involved and I think that's. the the the thing is people think it's. either one or the other either Lee. Harvey Oswald acted alone or you know. someone else was involved and Lee Harvey. Oswell was a py no Lee harbal went to. Russia like during the height of the. Cold War little odd yeah real odd that. they let him come back over here Lee Lee.

Harvey Oswell was clearly involved in. some sort of shady Espionage type [ __ ]. and you know married a Russian woman. like the whole deal the whole thing is. crazy it's insane he the odds that he he. was completely innocent very low right. it seems like he was over here doing. some shady [ __ ] he' always been involved. in some shady intelligence type [ __ ] but. I think there was a lot of people in I. think they wanted to really make sure. that Kennedy got killed and I think. there was probably a lot of people. involved and I think Lee Harvey Oswell.

probably was a py and I think that's. probably why Jack Ruby shot him yep and. all you have to think about as far as. mob involvement goes in that is look at. Jack Ruby like his background yeah fully. mobbed up yeah fully mobbed up there's. also e Howard hunt who confessed to the. killing on his deathbed said that they. were in the grassy null there's other. people like Woody Harrelson's father. apparently was supposedly involved. interesting yeah Woody harlon's father. was a bad person a bad guy like an. assassin yeah yeah yeah known murderer.

um and so I think there was a lot of. people that wanted JFK dead oh yeah you. know after the Bay of Pigs there was a. lot of people that wanted JFK dead you. know he wanted to get rid of the NSA he. wanted to get rid of the CIA he wanted. to get rid of the the the Federal Bank. he wanted to get rid of everything y. Federal Reserve he wanted to get rid of. the Federal Reserve it's like the whole. thing crazy yeah the war commission. report should have been called the douis. commission report right I mean Alan. douas the guy you essentially fire is.

now in charge of this investigation. insane you fire the guy now he's in. charge of investigating who assassinated. you and you know the best book that I. ever read about it was David lifton's. book best evidence and David lton was an. accountant and they hired him to go over. the Warren report and so he goes over. the warrant commission report and he. finds all he read the entire thing which. is like insanely long and he read all. find all these inconsistencies and all. these things don't make any sense the. difference between the way they viewed. the body at Dallas versus the way they.

saw it at Bethesda Maryland when they. brought the body there and then there's. the Magic Bullet which anybody who's. ever shot anything with a gun knows. that's horseshit I know it's there's so. much 1963 was a very pivotal year. nothing's been the same since not that. things are going to always stay the same. things are always going to evolve but. that was a turning point no doubt about. it when it comes to the power of federal. government no doubt about it and you. know I didn't know until Tucker. explained it on the show about Nixon. about how they forced ni Nixon who's the.

most popular president in history that. was a government orchestrated coup to. get him out that was super interesting I. had not heard that until I listened to. Tucker on your on your show and having. him talk about Bob Woodward and where he. came from crazy wasn't that wild that. was I heard about intelligence yeah and. I listen to that right before I went. back to uh all of a sudden he has a. number one story yeah a brand new guy. brand new guy number one story great. story I it's a great story Hollywood. story but it is now when you hear it in. those terms The Way Tucker talked about. it that it is suspect the whole thing's.

crazy yeah when when Tucker explains it. the whole thing makes you go what yeah. it was interesting because I listened to. that show right before I went back to. New York for the Simon and Schuster. 100th anniversary uh celebration event. and I was speaking there and so is Bob. Woodward I was sitting next to him in. the The Green Room yeah it I know I. didn't I didn't feel it was appropriate. to uh to bring that up um but I was. thinking about it not really not really. more like a nice to meet you type thing. nice to meet you suspect person exactly. I was looking I was you know I was. looking it was wild but uh how's.

Bernstein what's his deal uh I don't. know it's a good question yeah he get. dragged along is he a part of it got to. have another is he where I don't know. those guys are alive but everybody looks. at that as like the seminal work of you. know investigative journalism seminal. like like what they developed the story. they put out there oh my God the. president of the United States is a. crook I'm not a crook I know you know. and wild has to resign and then Gerald. Ford the only unelected president ever.

who also was on the warrant commission. report exactly what exactly I mean it's. all interconnected it's all crazy it's. like it would be a great script be a. great movie if it was fiction people. might might even believe it if that if. it wasn't out there and you wrote it in. a book back let's say you wrote it in. 1960 before all that stuff starts. happening you're like the [ __ ] out here. that's not how the world Works son the. world is beautiful and perfect and. United States is good that's why hard to. do these things. because fact is Stranger Than Fiction. and it's and all these things that were. conspiracy theories are being proved to.

have been true uh and so it's harder to. and people that are in power have always. manipulated the truth if they can if. they can get away with it I think it's. part of the fun of being in power being. able to get away with [ __ ] it's awful. it's awful I can't imagine running for. something I mean it's very anti-American. which is shocking because they're the. people that run America that's what's. weird that's what's so weird about it I. can't nothing sounds worse to me than. being a politician it sounds horrible. that's why when I see a good person. doing it I'm like wow well good luck.

good luck to you sir you youve decided I. mean there's very few left there's very. few compelling leaders that step up to. the political Arena and you go wow. that's someone who I really like it's. generally in almost every regard the you. know lesser of two evils yeah that's why. amazing when you see I mean you see. Tulsi gets sidelined um and she's I mean. what's great about her is that she has. changed positions on things and uh and.

she's but she get because of that she. gets it from both sides now so you get. the people that say oh look she once had. this view of what Second Amendment or. whatever uh and now her changed so I. don't trust her type thing well how are. you going to ever convince someone or. talk to someone or uh open somebody's. aperture about how to think if you don't. want them to change sides and don't. bring them into the fold yeah it seems. silly to make people stick to their. original idea on something if they don't. they're. flip-flopping that seems silly like if. you're a human being and you see things.

like there's a lot of people that were. pretty hardcore leftists liberal. progressives that lived in California. that were like okay these policies are. insane like I'm getting the [ __ ] out of. here like Jillian Michaels was just she. just did a podcast recently she she. discussed it yeah you know and she was. saying like I if I'm saying you're out. of your [ __ ] mind maybe out of your. [ __ ] mind so like people change their. perspective based on new information the. people that bury their head in the sand. and pretend everything's amazing and.

we're eventually going to pull out of. this and our philosophy is correct like. you're not course correcting yeah if. you're not course correcting you're not. learning and if you're not changing your. opinion in light of insane information. like if you live in California you get. insane amounts of information showing. these policies are not working this. approach to law enforcement this. approach to dealing with. and this is not working this is not good. you can't do this no it's crazy and that. same trip back in New York I I went to. this place uh for dinner called the uh.

uh uh Times Square Cafe yeah so not. being from New York and not really. knowing the area that well I assumed. that it was fairly close to Time Square. apparently it was once near Times Square. not anymore so went to dinner there and. with my agent then I walked her her uh. her apartment and thought I'll just walk. my hotel is close to Time Square I'll. just walk yeah Time Square Cafe is not. anywhere near Times Square so so put in. the phone I'm like and all the buildings. are kind of sending you in circles you. know I'm like so I walk at night across. New York like a long like 30 minutes.

maybe even 40 and I'm like on E&E you. know I'm like I'm on on edge and I'm. making my move here across and it's it's. it was sketchy so mve forward another. month a couple weeks ago I was in uh. Budapest so we're filming the show over. in Budapest Budapest is amazing it's GNA. it's going to make its way into one of. my future novels there's so much it. seems like Russian money there Ukrainian. money there which is probably our money. uh Chinese money there I there's two. Bentley in front of the hotel every day. two Ferraris two Lamborghinis Porsches. everywhere but I had to walk across the.

city we watched the uh first episode the. director's cut of the first episode of. this new series so watched it at Buddy's. apartment because everyone's been over. there for the last few months filming. the show so some are living in hotels. some are living uh on the economy in. town and apartment so we watched it and. it was awesome and I decided to walk. across Budapest totally different late. at night past midnight walking across. totally safe I felt so safe walking. across that City it was clean there was. nobody eyeing you up what's the. population there I don't know it seems. pretty packed it's pretty it's but but. like any City but it's not like the size.

of New York right no no no York New. York's its own animal as far as that. stuff goes yeah what is the population. of budapes yeah let's guess oh jeez I'm. the worst of that I'll say 2 million. look at that oh 1.76 look at that nice. guess that was good that was so that's. kind of like Austin you know Austin's. about a million and then the surrounding. outside area of Austin's like a million. yeah nice and there's not you know it's. a lot safer here than La I think there's. just something happens when you have. large populations and then also you know.

New York is you they're doing this no. cash bail thing where they're just. letting people out of jail including. people that assault police officers. including illegal immigrants that. assault police officers on video and. they just letting them out how do we. come back from from this he come back. unfortunately by going too far in the. other direction until you want to bounce. back and be liberal again unfortunately. this is what happens people get. unreasonable when they go that far then. you usher in some totalitarian. hard-nosed sort of right-wing person who.

also comes with a stripping of certain. civil liberties you know like thing and. and also has a more cruel approach to. certain social issues and then people go. we need more kindness we we need more. this then we you know it's but generally. it's like it used to be at least that. you would get the rightwing that were. pushing for war the most bizarre thing. about our time is that the left is. calling for Aid to Ukraine and that you.

know I think they just signed a. commitment to help Ukraine for the next. 10 years oh wow 10 wasn't that true I. don't know I think I think there's just. something that Biden just signed and I. think they're they're promising like. $800 billion doll or they're going to. need 800 billion over the next 00. billion chicken feed of our don't worry. about ity don't worry about it bro we. have plenty of money money we have a lot. of money we spent on Cheetos just send a. little of that to our friends Ukraine. like the whole thing is nuts look at. this 10 oh look at that they pass.

billion loan nice little loan uh they'll. pay that back with a. sire they call a loan yeah it's funny a. series of pledges of military and. financial aid made by Western allies. this week including a 10-year security. agreement with the United States and a. $50 billion loan issued by Washington in. the European Union so interesting I was. in uh D Normandy for the dday Comm ation. events um couple weeks ago uh well few. days last week I guess but it's not just. one day it's not just June 6th it's like. two weeks of events went back there with.

the best defense Foundation took I went. right from Budapest over to there 48. World War II veterans uh so they're all. creeping up on 100 at 100 or over 100. years old and a week's worth of events. so I'm volunteering helping them getting. their wheelchairs making sure they're. taking their medicines eating getting. them to the events all that sort of. thing but totally inappropriate during. the speech is that even during the. benediction or the uh the the prayer at. the beginning mention not Ukraine by. name but like the storm clouds are. coming so you have these all these. veterans of World War 2 D-Day on this.

stage at the American cemetery there. overlooking Omaha Beach and these. politicians get up there to give. speeches can't help themselves they have. to mention storm clouds coming. mentioning they have to mention it they. didn't mention it by name I think um the. French President did um but I was he's. speaking in French so I'm not 100% sure. but he I think he mentioned it by name. Biden uh uh Austin um so they use it as. a political tool they did they couldn't. help themselves it was disgusting to to.

be there and hear that and you have. these guys on stage and they did so much. varation giving us all these freedoms. that we have today freedoms and. opportuni first out of their Landing. crafts coming over the beach at Normandy. across that beach machine gun positions. up high and now you're using them. essentially as a political prop on this. was that part that part uh was hard to. stomach um but interestingly enough we. went from there to the international. ceremony down on Omaha Beach so from the. cemetery down to the beach and the. international Cemetery has all these. different world leaders there and.

sininsky is there oh wow yeah so it's a. visual type of a thing and trying to. equate what happened in World War II on. D-Day to what's going on with Ukraine. and Russia yeah yeah not appropriate for. the 80th anniversary of D-Day for these. guys that jumped out of planes landed. gliders back then imagining Landing a. glider at night uh on June 6th in these. fields where the Germans have put these. poles up so that if you land you can.

just get crushed in your glider when a. guy was talking to his glider came in he. went right between two of these poles it. ripped off the wings and then you have. to figure out where your guys are. because you obviously there's no GPS's. you're just landed somewhere in northern. France you're alive now and now you got. to link up with people and figure out. how to get to the town or the bridge. that you're supposed to uh to defend or. take um so those guys did that and then. you have the audacity to bring up. current politics they can't help. themselves every opportunity they have. to do it yeah Biden did it the pr the.

person doing the prayer it was a great. like prayer to start everything off I. was like wow this is amazing and then. she had to bring up these storm clouds. on the horizon type of a thing and uh. certainly Austin went up there and did. it Biden did it and then they have. zalinski sitting there it's just very. disturbing it's very disturbing that we. don't learn you know it really is you. know um all the way back Smedley. Butler's Wars a racket yeah we don't. learn you know and money always. motivates everything and there's always. some way to make some sort of a moral.

argument why we need to do certain. things and why we need to act and why we. need to fund this and fund that but. ultimately there's a lot of money being. moved around and we know that once it. gets over there we really don't know. where the [ __ ] it's going yeah we really. don't there's a lot of nice cars. inest and other places in Europe too. I've talked to people in the uh in the. intelligence service money uhhuh there's. a lot of money rolling around over there. and it's not easy to track and it's not. really something that anybody's like.

trying really hard to document no it. seems also very dangerous to point out. if you were an official person and you. started pointing out the fact that this. money is moving around in a certain way. yeah like tuo Carlson said they tried to. kill him so that there was an. assassination attempt on him really when. he was there yeah there something. something was set up what was it was. like a bomb someone set up in the. basement or something he talked about it. on the show yeah miss that part yeah and. he kind of had a feeling something was. going to happen and he like had this. intuition to stay in his room no way. yeah I'm going ask him about that I was.

just texting him the other day I'm going. I'm GNA ask him about that that's crazy. yeah it's I mean this is interesting. wild wild time that the left is the one. that the left side the the the the. Democrats the progressives are the ones. that are calling for this crazy War I. know cuz when we grew up back in the day. it was the exact opposite thought trying. get us everything yeah they didn't want. to have anything to do anything they. wanted no Wars and everybody's like. great because this was after Vietnam you. know and if you wanted to be a Democrat. and you wanted to win back then you had.

to be anti-war you know you had to be. anti anything remotely close to what's. going on right now especially when you. know the history of like NATO and moving. arms closer to the Russia's border and. saying that R like Cala Harris saying. that Russia's gonna or that Ukraine's. going to join NATO like what that's. pretty wild that's a crazy thing to say. openly in the world you got to put. yourselves in the uh the other person's. shoes there's something looking at. things from their perspective and that's. what we that's what we do in the. military trying to put ourselves in the.

enemy shoes figuring out how they're. going to adapt to what we're doing right. now and you have to do that at the. Strategic levels too but unfortunately. you get people at these level levels who. just stuck with it and they've never. created anything in their life and. they're they don't understand the. history but guess what they can do they. can they know how to manipulate a. population uh through through their. words and through all these things all. these uh uh different articles and. institutions that support them to get. them into these positions in office and. it's tough I mean it's a machine and. that machine is hungry what do you think.

about what's going on right now in Cuba. off the coast of Cuba I saw that the. other day so we have Russian submarines. yeah geez I Russian submarines that are. like you know how many miles I think. they're at some point in time they're. like 30 miles away from Miami is right. there it's wild so what's the closest. they got to. Miami I think they well Russia or excuse. me Cuba is what 90 miles I think so 90. mies from the point the furthest south. point of Florida that's close that's. nuts that's like here to San Antonio so.

that's sending a message and of course. we have I think I saw one of our. spokespeople came out and said something. about don't worry they're not nuclear. what the [ __ ] does that all right. exactly warships yeah yeah right there. Russian obviously sending a message yeah. obviously I mean especially with this. new thing where we're sending more money. and committing to it for 10 years like. holy [ __ ] yeah I mean what are we. getting into the bad part of all this is. that if you're the enemy you almost just. want to let us like not do anything.

because we're doing such a good job at. destroying ourselves we are but they're. helping us too oh they can help they can. give a nudge here or there they're. helping us a lot on social media yeah. exactly they can just there's a lot of. that on social media you know one of the. uh FBI analysts said that he thinks that. former FBI analyst said that he thinks. it's 80% of Twitter's trolls really us. submarine pulls into guantan Bay a day. after Russian warships arrive in Cuba oh. great oh wonderful uhhuh oh Jesus Christ.

look at that US Navy submarines arrived. in Guantanamo Bay Cuba in a show of. force as a fleet of Russian warships. gather for Planned military exercises in. the Caribbean us Southern command said. that USS Helena a nuclear powered fast. attack submarine pulled into the waters. near the US Base in Cuba on Thursday. just a day after a Russian forade a. nuclear powered submarine an oil tanker. and a rescue tug crossed into Havana Bay. after drills in the Atlantic Ocean yeah.

Jesus. Christ yeah is it also there something. else Russian submarine spotted near west. coast of Scotland oh great yeah what are. they doing well you have I mean none of. this is good guys and and this to say. nothing about what China is doing oh was. spotted there before it arrived in. Havana yeah yeah all is terrifying and. terrifying and we're you know in the. middle of this we're also in a war with. them to develop AI like who's going to.

get to it fast enough oh yeah yeah and. that's that's yeah that's this this book. right here was all about that but from. the China us perspective those. geopolitics who's doing what Taiwan the. Taiwan issue in there as well so it's uh. you know it's fascinating to to have. done that research now and see where. China is compared to where they were a. few years ago and then think about where. we're going in the future but it's it's. tough to do all that research and remain. hopeful so I try to you know what I mean. it's it's that's what I love about you. you remain hopeful you talked to all.

these different people and you're and uh. interested in so many things but you yet. you remain so hopeful in all these. conversations that you have with people. yeah I'm hopeful but I'm not sure if I'm. right yeah you know I started getting. nervous about China when they banned the. Huawei devices yeah and I was like wait. what what's going on because as a phone. nerd Huawei had some insane phones their. phones were like more advanced than us. phones okay and um they banned their. devices when one of their newer phones. was coming out and apparently it's not.

just phones it was uh a bunch of. different routers and different. technology that they had they believed. uh China would be able to access. information through oh yeah uh it it's. embedded in almost everything that we. have that we rely upon not just on the. civilian side but on the military side. the intelligence side and they think. long term I know I've Admiral Rachel. LaVine is on the case don't you worry we. have competent members of our military. lord it's so bad and that that's I me.

that's why we have these recruiting. issues I mean if you're you're going to. encourage one of your kids to to join. the military right now I mean I don't I. don't know how that that I don't know. how you can but well that's why they're. bringing back registration for the draft. I saw that yeah which is nuts like what. are you saying and the age of AI you're. going to force people into go into war. and what is going on what are you doing. why are you doing this. a lack of recruitment you're going to. force them to go in now and then when. you're there you indoctrinate them with. all this [ __ ] so instead of getting. people that want to serve which is the.

people that you want the people that are. dedicated to it that are driven towards. this life instead of that you're forcing. people to do it then once you get them. in there you can kind of force your. ideology on them they would be the the. type of people that sign up for the. military the type they would be way less. likely to buy into that H Shir house. passes defense Bill Services already. mandatory for male ages 18 to 24 yeah. and so yeah it's already a thing just. it's automatic now you still had to do. it ah so you don't have to go down there. and yeah into the post office and do it.

that was kind of a cool R of Passage. though uh do you remember doing that. they gave me a free razor in the mail I. think did they wow it's fantastic you. still have it I don't remember doing. that you don't remember doing that so. you had to go down with at 18 right yeah. what year was this and you had to do. that uh I did it when I was yeah in the. jeez what year was that 90 something. like that um but yeah you had to go down. and do you do it so for me that would. have been 85 I don't remember that at. all yeah yeah was that something you had. to do back then I don't know I might be.

breaking the law you might be break. might come just a legal thing it was one. of those things you I must have did it I. probably don't remember remember doing. it but I remember when the uh Gulf when. Desert Storm broke out I was uh living. with a buddy of mine and we were. watching on TV and I was like what right. a. war. this I was alive during Vietnam in San. Francisco I lived I was a kid and when. Vietnam ended I remember thinking as a. kid I guess I was like 10 or something I. remember thinking pH glad we got over. that no more Wars like we figured that.

out yeah but we haven't figured out [ __ ]. nope and now it's even more complicated. with all this artificial intelligence. stuff and you know Mike Baker was in. here and he was showing us these videos. of these uh fighter jets that are using. AI now that are winning dog fights 100%. 100% of the time over actual human. Pilots so human Pilots can't beat the AI. system they just can't they lose 100% of. the time uhhuh that's nuts so take that. 10 years from now right then put a jet.

out there that can do Maneuvers at. insane g-forces because it doesn't have. any humans in it think about that and so. now you you add that mhm I know you got. that and China's doing the same yeah and. uh but they're also smart because. they're buying up property next to. military bases they tried to buy the. hotel Dell Hotel tonado right by the. seel base down there so that got blocked. but there's also these so crazy they're. called The Shores and they're these. apartments that I think they're built. like the 70s they're so ugly but they.

are super high like Sky Rises and what. they look down on they look down right. on the sealed training compound and. warcom which is our Admiral and. everybody else China owns it and uh I. would no they don't own that they tried. to buy the hotel Dell next door but I. would be shocked if they don't own a few. floors of that building and looking. looking right down they bought a they. did some research for this book on it uh. in a book called the dragons and the. snakes by David kolan and he talks about. them buying up hotels in in Scotland. that watch submarines head out there uh.

a few other play went in Italy so. they're buying up properties next to. these bases where they can essentially. observe and put listening devices out. and do all those sorts of things that uh. you need a base of operations and you. don't even need a base operations for a. lot of this stuff anymore because it's. all virtual and where are all these. things made well China and Taiwan it's. just crazy that in Taiwan you can't buy. anything like Americans wanted to go. over and buy land next to military bases. they' be like go [ __ ] yourself but us. being an Open Country it's almost to our. you know it's almost detrimental us our.

openness our strength is almost a. weakness and they can exploit it so. they're very aware aware of that so. you're looking at your enemy and you're. looking at those things that you can do. to exploit those weaknesses and uh. that's what they're that's what they're. doing that's what we would do Yeah Tim. Dylan was explaining the real estate. hustle that so many foreign countries. use our real estate as moneya laundering. so like there's so so many um different. apartment buildings in New York City. that are just empty empty there's no one. in them yeah yeah but they're all bought. out right because like Russia buys them.

yeah Russian oligarchs buy them it's a. nice way to funnel funnel your money. around you got real estate holdings here. and there you own a billion here and a. billion there all around the world yeah. they do that all all around the world. they do that stuff so I mean well then. that was weird during the Ukraine uh. Invasion where they started stealing. their. Yachts I know confiscated their Yachts I. was like what happened to that that kind. of went away too I don't know and also. like what are those things you got to. [ __ ] maintain those things yeah they. just that's like if you have like a Mark.

Zuckerberg type yacht like he just had. some [ __ ] $300 million yacht built. nice I think actually more than that I. think it's $500 million for this [ __ ]. yacht and how much does that cost a year. to. maintain all right here it is um US. government said it's spending more than. 7 million a year to maintain a super. yacht it seized from a sanctioned. Russian oligarch and urge a judge to let. it auction The Vessel before a dispute. over its ownership is resolved. authorities in Fiji seize the 348 foot.

$300 million amida in May of 2022. pursuant to us warrant alleging its. owned by sulan kerov a multi-billionaire. sanctioned by the US Treasury Department. in 2014 and 2018 in response to Russia's. activities in Syria and Ukraine Jesus. dang look at that. wow man wow that's crazy so that's just. one one of for here are the super Yachts. seized from Russian.

oligarchs and we're paying to maintain. those yeah oh that's so brutal how many. of them are there boy there's a lot of. [ __ ] clicks you got to go through. these things I am not yeah how many of. them are there how many do they get so. that's the one that we just talked about. this the Tango the ladym [ __ ] massive. things and so these Russian oligarchs a. lot of them they rush to get their. Yachts to different countries that are. more sympathetic yeah that let them get. away with it but I don't even know how.

that works like if they go out into the. sea can they get hijacked international. waters yeah how does that work I don't. know I just was constating on the 7. million bucks a year to to maintain yeah. our money y our tax our tax dollars. going to maintain yach well spent what. it but I don't understand like what is. so are they saying that these Russian. oligarchs were a part of the invasion of. Ukraine so they're allowed to steal. their outs I think they're talking. they're they're saying it's Putin's uh I. guess Circle something like that yeah so. they're connected to Putin so they're. going to snatch their Yachts yeah.

whoever I mean we all know that he's one. of the richest guys in the world he. might be the richest guy they say I. think yeah he might be worth like some. insane amount isn't that wild going from. the K to the richest guy in the world. well have you seen that house that. they're allegedly building for him is it. the one on the uh uh it's on the coast. one on the cliffs I put it in the last. book I think if it's the same one I. think so underground bunkers sorts of. stuff they haven't even proven that it's. his and he's like that's not my house. right yeah yeah no I put it in the last.

book yeah it's it's wild you can zoom in. on it you can zoom in on it and check it. out and see these it's a multibillion. dollar house isn't that crazy yeah gosh. whatever this thing is whether it's his. or not yeah but but the $500 million. yacht from Zuckerberg he's not missing. that though isn't that crazy that's nuts. you don't even miss $500 million yeah. that's when you should get a yacht you. got that kind of money you got so much. money that you don't even notice if. you're missing 500 million no there's. levels yeah there's levels to this world. Facebook billionaire Zuber takes out his. $300 million super yacht and $30 million.

support boat complete with helipad Y and. mayorca is he celebrates Father's Day. with his his dad Ed I think they used to. call him like Shadow Yachts or something. like that and they'd carry all the toys. so you have the main yacht and then you. have the shadow yacht that has all the. toys on it look at that thing imagine. your kid buys one of those you're like. man I'm raised a [ __ ] killer look at. that yeah that is ridiculous is that the. sport yacht what's that yeah oh no. something else that's like a helipad. that's a different one right man the.

support boat yeah that's the support. boat that's a support boat that [ __ ]. thing it's just got an extra boat on the. side extra boat helicopter that's insane. that support boat is [ __ ] huge it. probably has underneath it probably has. a submarine some of these things have. two submarines I was on one that had two. submarines once one that just goes. straight down and one that goes in the. water and then you can move around in it. and you like explore reefs and stuff. like so two submarines uh plane that. comes out and the wings fold down I've. seen that I've seen that with. helicopter helicopters that land and. wings fold and then you drop it down.

what the [ __ ] yeah that's pretty sick so. there's levels yeah it's all relative. you know it is all relative I guess it's. just like at a certain point in time. like like if you're a Russian oligark. and you have a. $300 million yacht and someone Ste. steals it can you even get another one. are you allowed to get a new one. probably but get another one if you have. all that money right you get another one. where the [ __ ] are you getting all that.

money like what are you doing yeah oh. yeah I mean it's such an interesting. time end of the Cold War that whole. period in the 90s for those guys where. really those criminal Enterprises really. become like government and not to say. it's that much different here we have. our own oligarchy here as well that's. the thing too is like how are they. governing like what what's the. experience for the people they're. governing and that's the thing that. Tucker said when he went over to Moscow. I like it's beautiful it's like real. Clean safe yeah which is weird yeah I. want to go and do some research there. once again I'm probably not but I was. lucky enough to have gone there go uh I.

would I would advise you to. not I know but luckily I was there so I. was in Moscow in before I joined the. military just traveling so I was there. so I can write about it I remember the. architecture I remember the feeling. there uh so that was early 90s and then. I also went to Odessa Ukraine back then. oh wow um so I went to the catacombs. under the city which allowed me to then. put it in the second book True Believer. so. and weave and plac I probably go anymore. yeah you're too on the nose with a lot. of your work and it's it's now it's.

influential you know and it's just you. should do the same thing that you're. thinking about doing with your cell. phone just farm that out have somebody. go that you really trust tell them. exactly what you saw and tell me tell me. what it was like have them film things. have them explain it just tell them like. I want you to get like an hour of. footage every day of just us filming. things so I can absorb it yeah it's a. good idea but it's still different you. don't get the smell it is different but. it'll keep you alive yeah you know it. keep you from getting a cell my. publicist might like it you know any.

good publicity any publicity is good. publicity type thing if they get you out. yeah thing is if they leave you in there. they're missing out in a lot of loot you. can't really write good books from. inside Putin's Palace pole dancing room. fashion do a church so they they said. once they publish the photos of the. inside at the bottom here they had to. change it because they don't want people. knowing what it looks like yeah I put. that in the last last book out they have. to redo it again they think maybe yeah I. put in the Dan I put in the PO dancing. thing right here what is that wild Putin.

does not use other people's dishes. doesn't go without any army of without. an army of guards rather does not go to. the toilet in public places she said on. Monday by publishing footage from inside. his Palace and floor plans we make it. impossible to use the palace wow perhaps. he will say demolish everything again. and the palace will rebuilt for the. third time but this iteration is. definitely over there was a palace there. is no Palace yeah we have once again. shown not only that he is a luxury. obsessed psychopath their words but also.

his security system is complete crap oh. wow interesting pbic how do you say that. guy's name pev that's good CH chick the. names are tough added yeah yeah wow so. now he's got to demolish it and start. from scratch cuz people saw the inside. of it that's why well I certainly did. like that's what allowed me to describe. it for that last book yeah how did. anybody [ __ ] take pictures of that. how did that security breach get through. seriously yeah there is oh photo was. published by aexi Alexi navali the late. yeah the late anti-corruption Foundation.

that was the guy that died in jail right. and that's the that's a good reason why. I shouldn't go to Moscow yeah yeah. someone actually warned me not to go to. China they didn't warn me they just said. hey they they stole one of our. basketball players seriously and not. even a male and actually someone had a. bit about that last night they did a bit. on that last night and talked about how. from the Russian perspective uh us. trading whoever we traded for her like. the Arms Dealer terrorist or whoever we. whoever we exchanged this for and he did. a bit about them being like wait what. they're actually going go this they call.

him what did they call they had some. crazy name for the guy that traded right. International arms dealer who's. responsible for thousands of deaths I. forget what his name is yeah we traded. people we traded Taliban we traded but I. know he has a nickname yeah merch. Merchant mer Merchant of death pretty. solid that's a solid nick name yeah yeah. that seems like it be in your book yeah. no no seriously there he is right he. even looks like it I mean that's out of. Central Casting right there and so we. let that guy go I think he wore a. brightling all the sketchy people wear.

brightlings really yeah brightlings are. sketchy yeah it's a thing really. interesting I didn't know that yep now I. know yeah watches Espionage has a little. thing on that sharp mustache inside the. joint respect seriously look at that. yeah so they traded him and there's also. US citizens including there's a marine. that's over there that was accused of. Espionage they offered the the chance to. trade him and they went with Britney. grinder instead they could take one one. for one yeah I don't watch basketball. but I heard that league needs all help.

it can get I don't know if that's the. help that it needs yeah you know I mean. it's just basketball and not the best. basketball the best basketball is the. NBA you know ah look at that watches the. best no right there yep sketchy people. we brightlings what is that about it's a. I don't know it's just became a thing I. like brightlings yeah. make me sketchy I put I put one in a. sketchy person in this damn they make a. nice watch uhhuh they make some cool. watches now all sudden I'll be thinking. about them like [ __ ] yeah I think uh in.

that in the uh Blood Diamond I think L. DiCaprio wears one is his character yeah. Sketch it mercenary sketchy why. brightling I don't know I that it uh. where that it originated I think it just. started as a thing and then it became. what it is and it's just kind of a do. you think sketchy people know and. they're doing it on purpose I think they. do really kind I typed it in it's a. quote that pops up sketchy dudes wear it. is right there wow look at that oh and. look on the side there that's a Winkler. Blade no kidding there it is there are a.

lot of misconceptions about this saying. phras is not a dig on brightling at all. I'm a big fan of the brand own a few of. them and wear it regularly sketchy is. not necessarily a bad thing oh this. isn't my world bro there it is it's. really the '90s and 2000s brightling was. worn by a lot of gray area operators. both good and bad subjective terms with. strong roots in aviation brightling is a. signal wear is adventurous but also. appreciates fine craftsmanship and. utilitarian tools mhm Blackwater. brightling emergency former Soviet arms. dealer there he is Victor bouts.

brightling B1 British SAS officer turned. mercenary Simon man's brightling. emergency and director of CIA George. tenant's brightling Aerospace oh oh. George Tennant wearing one too which. one's the Aerospace they got that dope. one that's part digital uh right there. so that's the that's the Blackwater. symbol see that Blackwater symbol on the. side right there what that is yeah so. put this exact watch in the book and I. put the bad guys um company symbol on. the watch just like that one so that's a. compass watch which I've never been able. to figure out I I watched a video on one.

of them cuz I think I have a Seiko. that's a compass watch and I was like. what does that mean how does it work as. a compass you have to align the the. [ __ ] hour hand with the Sun or some. [ __ ] like that like I don't know I don't. know but that one has the emergency. beacon on it right there see that big. thing on the Bott trouble you pull that. sucker out right sign something that. says I think it says something you'll. like pay for the rescue if you do it and. then they find you if you're in the Alps. yeah I think an antenna comes out of it. I I believe yeah the bottom thing the.

bottom thing lower right hand corner. that's a serious [ __ ] watch yeah. that's pretty serious so those are all. sketchy people yeah interesting yeah how. the [ __ ] does the compass thing work I. don't know I don't know some of them. have GPS's but that's not what you're. talking about no no I mean my um my. watch is a a Garmin and it has a compass. feature but that's like like it's. digital it's electronics that thing is a. mechanical Compass feature like somehow. or another like when the Sun rises you. know the Sun rise in the east you point.

you point the thing at the sun that's. the eat what I don't know I know I had a. little little compass on mine over in. Iraq real real compass yeah on the band. right there it was like a backup to the. backup so I had the GPS on my rifle. stock right here so I could check my. point man just to make so I didn't have. to ask and I always knew where we were. so I had that there and then I had. another one on my belt and then another. one right here and then a one here for. for calling air so I could look right. here and talk to aircraft and and call. Air off that one so I had a few backups. but nowadays we got one of the first.

ones we got them issued in the SEAL. Teams was the Garmin or the sunto. whatever it was but early ones they just. ran out of battery so fast oh um and it. was one other thing that I had to plug. in back then so I this one's incredible. this one is at. 74% and I think I charged it 3 weeks ago. really yeah it's nuts I can't do though. one more thing to plug in like we talked. about it's all these last like a month. and a half and this is solar this is the. Phoenix 7 Sapphire solar so this thing. stays charged in the sun really yeah so.

if you're wearing it Outdoors it like. keeps a certain percentage of it charged. just by solar power oh man I well I was. locked up for the last four months. writing so that was that wasn't going to. help me too much I was going to need to. plug it in uh the sun wasn't really yeah. going to help even if you don't plug I. mean even if you don't plug it in if. it's fully charged it'll last at least a. month do you like the Apple watches and. stuff I haven't [ __ ] with those. because I don't want email I don't want. I don't have this set up to text me you. could do it I could get text messages on. this what I like with this is like I. like the timer I like the heartbeat.

monitor which doesn't work that good cuz. I have tattoos oh really interesting. doesn't work that good yeah the the only. thing that really works the the things. that work the most accurate are chest. staps those are the most accurate you. know so I have um one of those Morpheus. chest straps I like a lot I have a. Garmin that I like too those are great. they give you accurate reading of what. is actually going on your sleep do you. do the sleep stuff nah I know how I feel. I used to do that I I think a whoop is. very it's a very good tool it's a very.

good tool to assess your recovery and I. might go back to wearing one of those. but like the aura rings and all that. jazz like leave me alone those are the. ones that people wear that look like a. band and have like a rectangular on them. that's the whoop yeah the whoop is like. there's a bunch of different colors but. I have a black one it's like just like a. wristband I can't do it I already know I. need more sleep I already know I eat. better I already know I need to do a. little more exercise when you look at. your recovery it says 60% it's. depressing like God damn it yeah I don't. need another thing telling me that I. need more sleep but you definitely. notice the difference between drinking.

and not drinking so if I even a couple. of drinks like if I go out uh to dinner. with some friends and I have a couple. glasses of wine I would notice my. recovery score would suck in the morning. from just like two glasses of wine. really thing where you're not even drunk. you know you and the next day you feel. fine you don't feel hung over did that. make you stop doing that at dinners or. no no I want to live but it made me. aware of it and I'm I'm certainly good. at not doing it all the time yeah unlike.

some of my. friends yeah I don't want these things. to keep controlling they already. manipulate enough you have to be aware. that these things are manipulating you. um so I'm aware of that but I don't want. another thing that I am hooked up to. that's that's dictating how I live my. life if that Mak there's also like an. addictive Factor too there like you. start getting addicted to checking it. and you start getting addicted to which. I think would be probably a good thing. to be addicted to a self-improvement. aspect of it like trying to achieve a. good score right if you're like heroin. on this side good score on this side and. you're good score is it's a better.

addiction but yeah trying to get that. elusive you know 97% recovery rate when. you go to sleep yeah I know I know I. need more of it and all that with all. all these projects well especially if. you're working 10:00 a.m. to 2: a.m. it's not good I need to change that that. is that's crazy I need to change that up. I thought this this last winter that I. would be able to take my wife to dinners. do a little traveling asz our little guy. went over to overseas he actually went. to Switzerland to do like a ski program. over there so he's gone for three months. no phones no iPads no computers total.

old school milking cows doing chores um. total old school that's a great. experience amazing sure amazing for him. but during that time I thought we would. go out to dinners and travel and do all. this stuff but instead I was just lock. down writing so I need to make up for. that uh that next year you got to live. too right I mean but the thing is you. got to make hey why the sun shines and. you know I remember you when you just. released your book and you know we. really didn't know how good it was going. to do that's when I met you like it was. all just happening and people introduced. me to you I was like oh that's cool I.

hadn't read it I had met anybody read it. yet and then over the years it just got. this Snowball Effect yeah you know and. now it's insane I get so many people. tell me all the time that they love your. books oh man I appreciate that there a. like you're a guy that gets brought up a. lot you know especially amongst military. guys and amongst law enforcement guys. they they love books well I certainly. appreciate that and that's why I put so. much uh so much into them but I love it. it's like you I love doing what I'm. doing so it doesn't feel like work I. love writing I love this chapter in life.

um and love creating things love not. working for anyone um so I love all that. because in the military you feel like. you know you're people above you in the. chain of command you're like oh this guy. Fu you. know you express that very well in the. book than you thank you uh what. interesting though um for the. non-fiction the non-fiction coming out. so very different uh communities as far. as the fiction side of the house like I. asked for my first book no one knew me. uh and you have to you have to ask. people for blurbs and it's tough because. you know you're going to get people some. people are going to say no and you put. yourself out there to ask and almost.

everyone said yes even though I was. totally like Lee Child all these people. I look up to they were all about it and. uh so and and so I always do it so I. always because it's a subjective art. form so I I try to give as many blurs as. I can for people help as many people as. I can so interesting in the non-fiction. space my first time I have to go back. now cuz I haven't asked for blurbs in a. long time you don't do it after a while. you just take some things from reviews. and stuff like that so you don't do it. after a while um but I had to do it for. this non-fiction and interest the. non-fiction space uh very reluctant to.

give any blurbs interesting yeah even. people that uh write about military. history um and and they they are uh not. about it what do you think that is I. think they feel a little bit elitist up. there interesting like you being a. fiction author that's now venturing into. non-fiction they be a gatekeeper I don't. know CU I'm I'm busy too but I make time. for it for sure maybe they don't want. you delving into their world I don't. know and some of these guys have made a.

lot of money writing about military. stuff which is interesting so I noted. noted it might work its way into some. fiction at some point um and and even. some military some senior level Military. Officers which is very interesting as. well uh all said uh no to the blurbs for. the non-fiction as well but that kind of. feeds into my uh well maybe they listen. to me on the podcast here I talked about. their my hear me critique their handling. of our withdrawal from Afghanistan so. that's possible as well uh but also. interesting with the show the military. didn't help out with the show um which. is all great because sometimes they put.

um constraints on what you can do or say. if they help out with like a ship or a. plane or a base or something like that. so they did not help out with the first. show I think they want to be a part of. it yeah yeah which I like because now. there's no constraints so I'm like. typical I'm glad especially since you. know what you're talking about it's not. like someone has to guess on their own. without any military help yeah but I. find that all very interesting so I'm. you know it's all it's all noted yeah. duly noted exactly so the was there a. negative response by the historians or. was it just no response yeah just busy.

and some got back and said no it was. very nice to them to get back and at. least say no um but I could it also be. that they just don't want to put. themselves out there that they don't. want to be a personality they just want. to be the person relaying the. information possible yeah that if you. cuz if you do like sign off on someone's. non-fiction who also writes fiction you. are in somehow or another connecting. yourself to them yeah that's very. possible very possible I would imagine. right but it's still noted yeah no I get. it but uh yeah so so we'll see you know.

but but a ton of people what was what. made me very h i mean super excited. about this book is this the non-fiction. is that the people who were there the. people who are digging their dead. friends out of the rubble um that's who. I really wanted to honor by writing this. non-fiction uh to to keep those Lessons. Learned and also tell their story um. because it really hasn't been told yet. and you have people that are still alive. people who are alive who lost sons in. that attack so you want to do write by. them and have I think every single. person who has read it who is there um.

has said thank you for write it thank. you for telling this story well it's. also great that it's coming from you. because your fiction books are so. popular there's probably going to be a. lot of people that read that that. wouldn't ordinarily read a book on Real. History yeah there's people today some. people I've mentioned it to and they say. what was that I kind of remember that. but what was that yeah I barely. remembered it I barely remembered it you. started talking about it I was like oh. oh yeah that's right I remember I mean I. was in high school at the time yeah so. 83 and we had the embassy bombing in. April of 83 and then you move into the. spring further into the spring all. through the summer attack happens in.

October but all through that time frame. these guys are in combat and the. administration is saying Peacekeeper. over and over again calling them. peacekeepers peacekeepers but you talk. to these guys who were there who were on. patrol they were in combat and uh and so. I got to to capture that and really put. and put that into the book because that. part of the story don't really. understand how many guys had died. between the embassy bombing and the. Marine Barracks bombing how many people. were wounded during that time frame how. many people were just in engaged in. combat during that time period so it's.

because there wasn't social media back. then and you're just relying on an. Administration and then they're talking. points uh that story never really got. told so it's uh it's going to get told. now that's one of the things that does. keep me hopeful that there is so much. information available today whenever. anything happens you don't have to just. rely on mainstream media's depictions of. things that anything everything that's. been sanctioned down through the. government whatever narrative they're. trying to push now you get just so many. independent reporters and so many real. journalists that are giving you the.

actual details of it in a very. disturbing way and you you get angry and. you go why am I not hearing about this. in the news like why why is this. perspective not being shared everywhere. and then it you know unfortunately for. the mainstream media it just makes. people distrust them more and more oh. yeah oh yeah the trust with mainstream. media and with our senior level elected. officials is I I don't know if it's an. all-time low but it feels like it is. it's about as low as I've ever. experienced it obviously I'm not I. wasn't around during the you know I.

wasn't aware at least during the Vietnam. war but I would imagine back then. especially after like Kent State it was. probably a lot like that back then too. yeah a lot of distrust but I think even. more so now but there's also now there's. the influence of foreign governments. where they create [ __ ] stories and. they create [ __ ] rabbit holes for. people to go down and they people into. these things and then reinforce it. online with troll farms and you just. like there's so much nonsense it's so. hard to know what's real and what's not. real yeah that's something the value of. you doing this that's why I appreciate.

what you do here with this podcast. because uh it's one of the few places. people can go and get these honest. conversations they're long they're not a. 30 second sound bite a two-minute sound. bite but even if you have someone that. knows what they're talking about on. mainstream media but you only get two. and a half minutes 2 minutes a minute. half of that is the host talking or. asking the question um you really get a. deep understanding of what's going on. you don't really get to conceptualize. what's what's really happening and make. it a part of you so you can make. informed decisions whether it's in the. voting when you go to vote uh or it's in. a conversation with friends or your.

family um so but you get to do that here. which is awesome not only that they. usually have someone arguing at all they. don't like it unless there's a like some. sort of an argument that would get. people captivated so you got someone on. the left yelling at someone on the right. they're talking over each other and. you're like good Lord this is crazy I. know's yelling and arguing all the time. so it's it's tough I mean I met I think. I thought the kids Growing Up Now That's. What I really think of because we have. kids and our kids are pretty much the. same ages and uh it's when I think about. them and what they're stepping into and. I you remain hopeful on it but man I I.

worry about it I think every generation. feels that way yeah um I mean I. certainly remember when I was a kid in. high school we were terrified of being. in a nuclear war with Russia that was. hovering over our heads when the fall of. the Soviet Union happened I remember. this huge feeling of relief that swept. through the entire country yeah because. when we were kids we really thought that. we were going to go to war with Russia. and it was going to be a nuclear war and. everyone was going to die and that was. something that like hung in the air all. throughout the 1980s yeah we thought of.

that the day after remember that show oh. yeah that was big day after was big but. then you also had Wolverines you know I. was kind of like inspirational you knew. your enemy you know exactly Red Dawn out. there so you had that stuff too I know. we we've talked about this before and I. thought about it throughout the last. year but I haven't changed my position. on it uh about going back in time and I. I fact I double down on it when I think. about it about I'd go 1979 to 1991 yeah. I think that's what I would do if I. could go back in that time machine yeah. it was just so much fun would you live.

then yeah I just keep doing it over and. over again 7991 7991 yeah or maybe 80 80. 91 [ __ ] that I'd live right now I know. you love it that's that's why I love it. I love getting that perspective I love. that about you uh CU this is a time man. it's a wild time of unprecedented change. and we're on the precipice of far more. unprecedented change and you like that. it's interesting it's exciting you know. I would like it I think if it wasn't. attached to all these things that I have. to plug in and they're trying to. manipulate me I know I keep going back. to that but it makes me uh a little bit.

crazy it's also it's a thing it gives. you this ability to recognize [ __ ]. because it's coming at you from all. these different angles and I think. people are a little bit more reluctant. to buy into official stories now than. they ever have been before especially. after the whole Co Fiasco happened I. think people are a lot more interested. in what the [ __ ] is actually going on. than ever before because it it actually. can affect their life you know I mean. it's it's actually something that's. consequential oh yeah and and we all had. touch points with it and now but that. that just like Afghanistan it's like we.

don't really talk about that stuff. anymore we don't really talk about all. these businesses that got shuttered um. which is why I try to support. independent bookstores as much as I. possibly can do things that are only for. independent bookstores to send people. there started that during Co actually. and I started signing book plates you. could only get through independent book. stores cuz it's harder to do that than. just hit the easy button on Amazon. so started doing that to do that today. with shot through pages so I try to do. that to help them out because I remember. you in LA and I packed up and I drove. out there and there was no one on the. road and then I got to LA on the 405.

freeway driving up to where I was. staying and it was a ghost town wild it. was crazy that was uh what may or. whatever April May of 2020 and I came. out to see it it's horrible but I'm glad. we got to experience it because it's. going to be something that we always. remember I think people are going to be. probably mean if humans survive we're. going to be talking about these days and. especially the days of Co it's going to. be a bizarre footnote in American. history so bizarre and but I I don't.

know people have short memories and they. get distracted by the squirrel or by the. manipulation on the social channels or. whatever else a lot of people do but I. think the overall perception if you. looked at it has shifted in a way that. people are a little bit more aware of. horseshit now than ever before I think. hopefully uh I remember I want get a. physical for the first time in a long. time cuzz I hadn't done it for like six. years since I left in the military and. so I was like I should probably go down. and do something and it was ended up. being just kind of old school hit your. knee with the thing and I thought it was. going to be like an executive physical.

and they were going to do blood and do. all stuff it wasn't it was just like. watch the finger and hit the thing go. get out of here yeah but then he asked. me if I wanted to get a my uh flu shot. and I was just like I just I was I. couldn't help myself I just was like I. laughed out loud like that which I don't. usually do usually I keep things inside. and just kind of make you know my little. notes um but I couldn't help but like. come on how' they react he understood he. was. like I don't think on the first one. doesn't [ __ ] work yeah I know I'm not. the first one yeah people tell you you.

get should get your flu shot every year. you won't get the flu yeah also you. don't get the flu if you're [ __ ]. healthy or if you are you you go you get. over it quick or if you get the flu take. IV vitamins you know take T flu two. times I got my flu shot in the past like. 20 years uh I got the flu those years. that's the only time I've gotten the flu. is when that two years and I have life. done never doing it CU in the military. they make you do that stuff um so I just. had them annotate that it was done it's. called Uh uh what do they called it gun. decking I think so they just say that. you did it but you didn't really do it. well that's nice yeah very nice of my.

Corman to do that hope not going arrest. him now I think he's out now for anybody. listening I hope he is I hope he is well. hey brother thank you very much for. doing everything you do your books are. [ __ ] awesome uh Red Sky morning the. latest um and uh you have seven of these. now and the the non-fiction comes out. when September September. I'll be on that one too thank you sir. appreciate you very much man thank you. for being here uh tell everybody website. anything social media yeah officialj. car.com can find there but usually you.

know type it in the search bar it'll pop. right up jackar exactly jackar USA on. the socials and uh man thank you so much. for everything my pleasure brother. always good to see you bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. n.