Joe Rogan Experience #2150 - Greg Overton

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. ALL DAY. WHAT'S UP? What's up? What's up, man? What's up, bro? Good to see you, my. friend. Yeah, dude. Good to see you. Good to see you. Pull up to the. microphone so other people can hear you. can hear me and see me. Have you ever. done a podcast? Yeah, you have done a. podcast. I've listened to you on. podcast. I've done Oh, you did? Yeah, I listened. to you on some pod- I was. shooting arrows in my backyard and uh.

some podcast came up and it said Greg. Overton. I'm like, get the [ __ ] out of. here. My man. See, I'm doing all kinds. of [ __ ] Yeah. of [ __ ]. My boy Justin, who's from Pittsburgh, what's up, Justin? He does the Curious. Jones podcast. Mhm. And we also uh do. those Zippos. He does those. So, lit. zips. Um. Curious Jones podcast. He's a cool dude. We got one of those right here. Yeah. The Black Dragon Samurai. is the samurai that we have outside next. to the Did you see the actual samurai.

armor? Yeah. [ __ ] crazy. I love. samurai. And the sword, dude. And the sword. The sword's even older. than the armor. The armor's from the. 1800s, but the sword's from the 1500s. So, is that. that's right before the Sengoku Jidai, the. time of the country at war, the 300. years where they're at war. I'm trying to think, did it begin in the. 1500s? I don't have knowledge of that. that up, the. Sengoku Jidai? Pull that microphone up. But keep it. like a fist from your face. There you. go. There you go. Yeah. All right.

Um So, I first found out about you I. don't even remember what year it was, man. Um I remember I was with my family. I was in Salt Lake and we were walking. by this gallery and there was this. [ __ ] dope painting. It's huge. painting of this Native American guy. with a buffalo skull that had a bullet. hole in the head. And I was like, goddamn. I was trying to figure out. where could I put that? Where could I. put that [ __ ] thing? And I I snoozed. I snoozed and I lose. And then and then it got bought, but I.

didn't lose. you know. Um But that dude, it's an interesting. story and I'll just tell you like I had. I was showing with this other gallery. for a long time that that same painting. was like in the back room and they. weren't really giving me. my props, which is what people will do. if they just want to kind of keep you at. a certain level. They'll. So, do they do that to keep your prices. down? They do that so you don't leave. the gallery so you don't get too big for. the gallery. Oh. So, they don't go off on your own.

like you did. But no, I'm loyal as [ __ ]. dude. I'm still at the galleries that. that were cool. You know what I mean? If. you if the people hook me up, I'm going. to hook them up. I'm going to stay. there. You know what I mean? But I like I just wasn't getting my due. at this other gallery, so I decided How. long had you been painting for at the. time? I mean, professionally, I think about 16. years. Wow. But you know, I've been doing it since I. was a kid, semi-professional. Just always. Yeah. Always doing art. And. when did you get I I want to say.

obsessed. That's the right word, right? When I was born. With Native American. culture. Yeah. Well, I mean From the time you. were little. There was books in my. grandparents' house. Like the one of. them was called Fighting Indians of the. West and then there was like uh Russell. and Remington books, the painters. And so I just look at these photos of. like Sitting Bull and. um I was going to say Crazy Horse, but. no photos of Crazy Horse, but like. Geronimo and [ __ ] like that. And I just. saw a look in their eye like a a wild.

person, somebody who wasn't trapped by. the system. Mhm. You know what I mean? And as a little kid. I just knew that was I knew that was. better. I knew it was powerful. I just. really loved that culture. to it. Yeah. It is so fascinating that. so many um. Native Americans who uh. got captured and put into the. reservation systems and then eventually. like integrated with Western culture.

[ __ ] hated it. But when. Western people. either when they were young if they got. kidnapped or if they integrated with the. tribes, like a lot of trappers, a lot of. people integrated with the tribes, when. they tried to bring them back to Western. society, they all wanted to leave. Mhm. They're like, get me the [ __ ] out. of here. Like I don't want to do this. It's like we have this idea that cities. and especially back then, I mean you're. talking about cities in the 1800s.

that somehow or another it was better. You know, we always have the the idea. that progress in terms of like. what's going on right now is better than. what was going on before. We always have. that in our head that we're doing it the. But it doesn't seem to ring true to the. human spirit. There's there's something. about human beings that they absolutely. prefer that life. Yeah, I mean it's dude. you are a more of a human being if. you're living that life. If you're. living a life in a city where you have.

to go do something you don't want to do. and you have to go hang out with people. you really It's like your tribe is your. tribe. You belong there. It's a totally. just simpler, better, more real way of. life. I think that thing that you just. said, too, about your tribe because. too many people today, their tribe is. not someone they chose. Their tribe is. just people that they're stuck with. because they're working with them. You know, if you're working like if.

you're a say if you're a married person, you're a married couple and you both. work. You're both with other people at least 8. hours a day. How long are you together? You're together for a few hours at night. then you go to sleep. Yeah. You're tired. It's not a a quality. way of life. But it's not the people you. chose. It's the people that your. occupation chose or the opportunity for. employment chose. And then you got to. deal with these [ __ ] schmucks in your. office. I've been very fortunate I never had to.

work in an office my whole life. I. dodged office life. But uh I've got a lot of people that I. worked with that were [ __ ] annoying, man. Just they just got in your way. They're. always there. They're always the [ __ ] imposing. their [ __ ] on you. And if you're a. person that works in an office, especially if you have a bunch of bosses. the boss-employee. relationship is so often abused. It's. such an abusive. place to be where you have this person.

that gets to tell you what to do and. make you sometimes work on weekends and. make you like stay overtime and upset at. you if you do X, Y, or Z, which has no. bear- forces you to have the same. ideological beliefs as them, forces you. to same have the same political beliefs. as them. Crazy, dude. Reminds me of that. movie Office Space. Yes, exactly. Like that's why I think our country is. almost like right now is that. [ __ ] Milton. Mhm. Do you.

remember him? Who's like they're they're. always kind of pushing him to the side, seeing how much [ __ ] he'll put up with. guy, right? Yeah. That's Stephen Root. Yeah. Yeah, that's my man. Where he's he's just like. put how much [ __ ] will these. [ __ ] put up with? And that's. your that's your life in an office. But. you're and you're taught as a kid going. to high school, like if you do a good. job here, you get to have an office job. That's what you're [ __ ] shooting for? Yeah, and then you're working all day at. school to try to do that. It's it's very. complicated, man. Trying to get through.

the. education aspect of your childhood and. the indoctrination aspect cuz that's. what it is. It's indoctrinating you into. believing that the only way that you can. get by in this life is to become a part. of this exact same system. So, that this. is why school is structured like that. I. mean, it's structured like that to teach. you, but it's also structured like that. where you're sitting down in front of. people all day long learning things that. you don't want to learn, uh being forced.

to be immobile when when you're a child. and you're you're literally just a. hummingbird of energy. You're just I. know those little desks. Yeah, oh, it's. so bad for you. The in-. terrible for you. The. bad for Bad feeling. I couldn't wait to. run away from it. Like everything every. fiber of my being was opposed to it. But. they had everyone convinced that if you. didn't do this this way, you're going to. be a [ __ ] loser. And that's what I was convinced. I was. convinced I was going to be a loser. So,

I was like, I got to figure out a way to. make money outside of regular jobs cuz. I'm a [ __ ] loser. I can't I can't do. a regular job. I got to do a loser job. I have to be a loser. I have to be a. construction worker. I have to do. something else. I have to do something. that's outside the norm cuz I just. I can't [ __ ] do this. I can't sit. down. I can't I just I don't I have too. much energy. I'm so bored. And it's also. a terrible way to learn things. Like the. best way to learn things is things you. enjoy. Things you enjoy and then if you.

learn that you do sim- something that. you enjoy and you really get good at it, you go, oh, I can apply that to. everything. I can apply that to all. things in life. But they don't teach you. that. They teach you you got to [ __ ] sit. still. You got to pay attention. You got. to memorize some nonsense. You got to do. some [ __ ]. do these [ __ ] calculations that make. no sense to you. Like you got to you got. to re- memorize these [ __ ] people, a. distorted version of the actual history. You know, which is almost always what.

they're teaching. Some weird distortion. written by the winners. Yeah. And if you don't do that, you're a. loser. We have such a goofy society. Yeah, that's but dude, we made it and we. [ __ ]. We were we were born into it. Well, I mean we like our ancestors made. it. But I think they were maybe they. were trying to do the right thing. Maybe. they had good intentions. Maybe we don't. know. But it turns out it's [ __ ]. stupid. Why do we keep doing it? I think. it's industry tricked everybody.

Industry gave people jobs. Jobs are. easy. You know, you need to feed people. You need to eat. You need to have a roof. over your head. Okay, here's a job. This. way I can get a roof over my head. Especially these people that came over. like my grandparents did. They came over. from Italy. It's like these [ __ ] They. didn't know what the hell was going on. They didn't know what was going on, you. know? They were just like, "What do I. got to do? I got to feed myself. What do. I get a job? Get a job. Get a job." So. everybody gets a job. You got to get a. job. And I'm going to get a job. Get a job. Get a job. Because the. reality of life then, in the 1920s,

everybody was [ __ ] starving to death. People were starving. Dudes weighed 100. lb. No one had food. It was a real. possibility that you could starve to. death in America. People were like real. poor. Real poor in like the 1920s. And so they all just did it. And now. we're still doing it. And everyone's. [ __ ] miserable. And then everyone. gets to Not everyone, obviously. You're. not miserable. I'm not miserable. Well, like the people that have to. it. The people Everyone stuck in that. trap is miserable. They [ __ ] hate. their bosses. They hate the corporation. Can't wait to get out and talk [ __ ].

about them. And And they're like they're. pissed off at people that got out of it. Oh, yeah. Or people that are free of it. They. don't like people that are free of it. You know, like I was having this. conversation with my kids about um like. podcasters and influencers. You know, they were talking about, "This girl, she's making millions of dollars." And. this not. I go Here's how you have to. think about that. It seems ridiculous. that she's doing that. But she has a. product. Whatever that product is, she's. making videos or TikToks or what have. you. Someone's consuming that product.

She's a business person. It's just the. business is ridiculously easy to get. into and the product is nonsense. But the thing is But you got to hand it. to her for selling some [ __ ]. lucky. She got born in the right time. I. mean, if that lady was born in the. 1970s, she'd be [ __ ]. Yeah. But she's not, you know? But then. then you also have to deal with like. from a psychologist's perspective. If. you talk to psychologists about growing. up in this time. It's one of the most. challenging times. Because people are. inundated by other people's lives.

You're inundated by these people driving. cars you couldn't imagine driving, living in these crazy homes, flashing. money, wearing all these designer. clothes. Everybody's on a got a filter. on so their skin looks perfect. They. look way more beautiful than they do in. real life. And you're like, "God damn. Like what is. life? Like what what what do I have to. aspire to? Like what am I looking for? Like what what do I can I get out of. this, you Mhm. You You don't have meaning. You don't. have a sense of belonging that you make.

a difference. Like that's a [ __ ]. empty, sad life, dude. Yeah, it's a suck life. As opposed to. life that you're living. A life of an. artist. Like a life that you know, there's you you will labor at these. pieces that you make. And then people. stand in front of them and go, "Like dude, that one that you made for. me, the. the one with the guy's got all the the. face paint like like a gray and black. face paint on. Do you know the one I'm. talking about?".

Dreamer. Yeah. Yes, dude. That one That one's in my. my library. When people walk in there. they go, "Oh, shit." I'm going, "Yeah, right. Look at that thing." You can. stare at that painting. You can stare at. it for hours. Like, "Whoa. There's so. much" And it's huge. There's so much. going on in it. That's what you have to. do. If you're going to actually say I'm. an artist, it has to stop [ __ ]. in their tracks. Mhm. And kind of wake. them up a little bit. And then they. can't even stop thinking about it the. rest of the day because it's like.

Has anybody ever done that to a Jackson. Pollock? I mean, not unless they're on a lot of. drugs. Maybe that's what I'm missing. Maybe. it's like a Dead concert. I didn't take. enough LSD. Oh, I guarantee the Dead sounds way. better if you're frying. Oh, I bet if. you're frying it's amazing. I bet it's. amazing. But can you find that photo. that painting, Jamie? Oh, that's one that I have to. know if you're talking about Soul. Catcher or Dreamer. Catcher. I I have that one in my house,

too. But that one's dope, too. The one. of the That's That's the one. [ __ ] Soul Catcher. And that thing is massive. That's a. massive painting. It's huge. Yeah. I think. And it's. sitting in my library. You can't really. see all the detail on it that good cuz. it's like a JPEG and it's kind of when. you blow it up you can't see as much. detail. that high resolution. But you know, when you look at the snake. the snake scales, dude. Oh, the snake scales. But really the. thing that it gets me is always his.

face. Just the the close-up of his face with. all the paint and the the cracked paint. [ __ ] I love that painting. Yeah. You put your soul into it and it speaks. It's alive, dude. Yeah, it speaks. That one speaks. That. one speaks. I mean, that's what art is. So it's it's speaking without words. It's communicating. through this. I mean, it's the most. archaic language that we have. Like. those cave drawings and stuff.

Probably language wasn't that advanced. when they were doing that. But they. wanted to say something profound. You. know what I mean? Like they didn't have. like books and poems and all that. They. weren't advanced as far as. writing stuff down. Mhm. So they'd write it down in a like a. pictograph. Mhm. And that's how they would communicate. those deeper truths. And if you if you. look at those cave drawings, they're. always they have the same themes. You know, have you looked at those? You. know what I'm talking about? a lot of them, yeah. a a hunter Mhm.

and he's kind of with the animals. Mhm. They're going along and then there's. like this big tall [ __ ] with a. space helmet on her. There's a lot of. those. Yeah. There's a lot of Explain that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if if I have. to. You have to just look at the [ __ ]. thing. They explained it. Well, I don't know what that means, you. know? I really don't. I could They could. have been tripping balls. Yeah. Or it. could be that when you're tripping balls. you meet those folks and they're real. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. I. was like the same with Grateful Dead, bro. Yeah.

I've often thought about that about UFO. experiences. Because I think maybe it's. like a state of mind. There's a state of. mind that you you can achieve and you. can see them. You know, not not if they're not there, clearly. But I think. If they're not here. Yeah. Then they're there. But even if they're. not I mean, they're not there all the. time, right? The idea is if they're if. there's something that's traveling here. But but might also be. if it's interdimensional, though. Yeah. That's what a lot of people think.

It's so hard to know. Because it's like. it's such a multifaceted story, right? Cuz it's laced with. [ __ ] Cuz people are bullshitters, right? So everyone bullshits. They they. distort something to make it more. interesting. They twist it up in their. own mind. Even your own memory is. absolutely terrible. Cuz you always want. to make yourself be the hero. Yeah. Or. if you're like self-loathing, make. yourself be a piece of. And then you're the villain. Yeah, you. could do that, too. But it's it's also.

it's just not reliable, right? So then. you have this shocking thing where. you're not exactly sure what happened. And then your body starts filling in or. your mind starts filling in the blanks. with like a lot of nonsense. And then. you start telling it to people over and. over again. And then after a while, your. memory is of the memory of you telling. it. Mhm. And barely even of the UFO. experience itself. It's like you've told. it this way for a certain amount of. times. So you kind of kind of keep. repeating it. Yeah. You know, like what. is the motivation there? Is it now it's. just a story you tell to get attention?

What makes you better? You're a special. person. talked to me. Yeah, we have to always be. careful of anything that makes you. special. Anything that makes you a. special person. What what makes you. special? Are you. Did you really see Bigfoot? Or are you. just a [ __ ] loser? You know, like. what's. what's going on here? Are you [ __ ]. just a [ __ ]. special cuz you saw Bigfoot? Or is he. just special cuz he I don't know. I think Bigfoot might be one of them. things, too. I think maybe I. I struggled with the idea that. everyone's lying.

I really do. But I also struggle with. the idea of this unknown bipedal hominid. that's 8 ft tall. Like where is it. [ __ ] Where What does it eat? Where's its bones? No one's seen it on a. trail camera. How's that possible? But. why would everybody be lying? But maybe it's smart. Maybe it [ __ ]. digs toilets. I don't I don't know. No chance. Well, there's No chance it's. so smart that it knows what a trail. camera is, but it never made its own. trail camera. No No chance. No chance it doesn't get. photographed. Wi-Fi and [ __ ] No. Too many people go.

into the back country. You know, all my. friends that really go deep in the back. country. Like my friends like Aaron. Snyder. He, you know, he does these. crazy back country hunts. He'll go like. 26 mi in with everything on his back. And they hunt for weeks weeks at a time. And he never. guys have stories like that. None of. them. Not one. Only the people that are nervous in the. woods, that don't understand the woods. You know, I saw a squirrel once and for. like a couple of seconds I thought it.

was a wolf. Was it I thought Carl Carl was a wolf. when he's biting my leg. Carl was a wolf about 14, 15,000 years. ago. They turned that into Carl. No, I I. think you're right. I'm saying? And like there's bears that. stand up on two legs. They do that all. the time. And people see that in between. the trees. You think you saw a Bigfoot. You know, but I then I I wonder about. like just the the heightened state of. mind that you're in when you're in the. forest and you're scared. You know, because.

you've been in the woods before. And for people that haven't, I really. recommend it. Because it's so humbling. There's something about just the. undeniable vulnerability that you have. and that you don't really mean that. much. You might think you mean a lot. But you're just a part of this massive. system that's going on. This massive. system of life. And if you're in that, and this is a new experience for you, and then you start freaking out, and. then you think you saw something, and.

your brain goes into overdrive, and your. mind starts pattern forming, you start. looking for thing you've heard about. Bigfoot, now you start seeing Bigfoot, you know? Bigfoot! Yeah. I think there's a little bit of that. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people do. If they're getting drunk, or maybe. they're smoking a little weed, or. whatever. Yeah. God. again, maybe if you are. drunk or smoking a little weed, maybe. you can hit that spot. Maybe there's a. frequency that you could hit. Where that. [ __ ] is real. dude.

Yeah. I mean, I think it's cool to believe in, like. It's very cool to. See, if it was real, it would be really. cool. Some people are all in. And you can't even talk about it. They needed a hobby. Like, I got to sell some [ __ ]. t-shirts, man. There's a lot of that. thing. Like Finding Bigfoot. Yeah. Like. that show. That show was hilarious. Like. How do they pull that off for like eight. seasons? eight [ __ ] seasons. did Finding Bigfoot have? It might still. be going on. wanted to find it. You can just keep There's a certain.

amount of slack-jawed people, me. included, that would just sit in front. of that and just like this. They didn't do that. Like the river monster show and [ __ ]. With the river monster show, that guy's. fishing. Fishing's fun. He's just. fishing. crazy how he just jumps down in the. [ __ ] swamp and he just brings up this. big demon of a fish. Big tiger fish. Yeah. That tiger fish, that crazy fish in Africa with the giant. teeth. like thinking, would I do that? Would I. jump out of the [ __ ] You probably. would. show ended and they rebrought it They. brought it back as the The search. continues.

We couldn't think of a better [ __ ]. title than the How many The [ __ ]. continues. And there's also Bigfoot. Finding Bigfoot Further Evidence. Nah, further evidence? You got none. Seven. Eleven. This is [ __ ] way far out. there. I mean, it's it's basically. printing money. Yeah. As long as the. people that are. like on the TV show don't get cocky, think they deserve more money, and It's. Bigfoot. He's behind it. have to bring in new researchers. me, [ __ ] Keep looking.

If anybody gets cocky, you might have to. bring in new researchers. But then the. researchers have to be accepted by the. research community as a legitimate. Bigfoot researcher. A legitimate. Yes. Yes. We We don't tolerate outsiders. here, Greg. That's a job title. I'm a No, I'm a. legitimate Bigfoot Bigfoot researcher. I'm not like those [ __ ] Bigfoot. researchers who just. be researching [ __ ]. what's interesting? Duncan and I went We. hung out with Bigfoot researchers when I.

did that TV show for Syfy called Joe. Rogan Questions Everything. Yeah. We. went and hung out with these Bigfoot. people. And at the end you realize it's just. like, oh, you guys just need a. community. This This is a community. They just need some friends. And it's a. fun thing to think about. And the thing. about like the Pacific Northwest, it's. like the woods up there, if you haven't. been, it's like a box of Q-tips. Like. you can't see [ __ ] through that. You. can't see 30 ft, 40 ft. Yeah. You can't see anything. It's just. [ __ ] trees like everywhere. And how.

how much does mushrooms have to do with. Bigfoot? Like there's a lot of mushrooms. growing up there in the woods, dude. You're going to see a whole bunch of. [ __ ]. see elves. Yeah, elves, Bigfoot, like. leprechauns, Santa Claus, Santa Claus, Yeah. Pretty. sure. to be this big party. Why not? Thanks to. shrooms to hang out with Bigfoot, and. the elves, and Santa Claus. But then. again, like what is happening there? Are. you seeing things aren't there, or are. you seeing things that are there that. you can't see under normal. circumstances? Well, dude, I I think.

I think it's the latter. I think it's. if they weren't there, you wouldn't be. able to perceive them, and those. substances just help you to perceive. things, because you're too busy over. here all the time in that [ __ ] that. uh. brainwave circuit that you're kind of. trapped in right here, this reality. tunnel. This stuff over here, there's blinders. You can't see it. The. only way, like what happens when you. take those substances, your [ __ ].

pupils dilate. Shoo, they get huge. And then all of a sudden, dude, I. remember the first time that I really. took a whole bunch of shrooms. when I was a kid, me and a bunch of my. friends, like we just got a hold of some. bunch of money. I'm not going to get. into that, how that happened. But you know, long story short, we. turned this money into a big bag of. mushrooms, and we all went down to the. bowling alley and ate a whole bunch of. them. And we just cruised around, you know, tried to go bowling, that didn't work. out, and just shroomed out. And by the.

end of the night we're looking at the. money that we still had, and everybody's. We're, you know, we had a bunch of weed, we're passing around bowls and shrooming. out. And uh. we're looking at the money, and we're. looking at the buildings going, the. [ __ ] system has us trapped. with this money. Mhm. Let's tear it up. Oh, no. Yeah. I wish I was there with you. Yeah, we we started tearing it up. Everybody. All my friends who are listening to this. are going to be like, he's Yeah, dude, we were all there. Cuz there was. probably like eight of us. All my. Yeah. Tearing up our money.

you think it was? We had a [ __ ] ton of money, cuz we just. I was a little [ __ ]. when I was a kid, so I. We don't need specifics to get the IRS. chasing. yeah, yeah. No, I mean, right. So. anyway, It was enough money that it was. a stupid thing to do. We We were little kids. No, it's, you. know, we paid for it later. We got We. got busted. A whole bunch of [ __ ]. happened after that. But long story. short, we were ripping up $10 bills. This is the '80s. Like, oh, [ __ ] 10. bucks. Yeah. And the next day you'd put. it back in your pocket. We were. like Yeah. What the [ __ ] was I doing?

Yeah. But I think I was right. Could. have went to Jimmy John's with this. Yeah, no, I mean, it's like But I think. we tapped into something saying the. system is [ __ ] and if we didn't tap. into that, you wouldn't make it to where you did. today. Like the the fact that I saw that. and I started doing all those, you know, drugs and crazy [ __ ] when I was young is. what led me here. And. I was getting a bunch of [ __ ] for it. when I was a kid, and people were. saying, what are you doing? Art? Cuz I. wanted do that since I was a kid. That's. what I always wanted to do for my. career, like album covers, comic books,

[ __ ] like that. And people were like, no, you're crazy. You're never going to [ __ ] do. anything with art. But I think just being. uh. you know, like a rebel, an outcast, that. helped me. That made it possible. Well, it's the only way. Um you know, if. you're a person that has like some crazy. corporate job, and you get locked into. that thing, it's going to be very. difficult for you to break out and. become an artist. Yeah. Although I actually did work for. the government for the feds for a while. myself. I was a I was an artist. No, I.

was a. graphics guy for OSHA, for the. Occupational Safety and Health. Administration. So what did you do? Like. what is. I designed all the little Pamphlets and. [ __ ] Like web [ __ ]. hand in the machine. Don't carry stuff like this. Don't do. this. And. Oh. And then they'd have me edit like. pictures of people who got electrocuted. and got their faces blown off. Oh, no. And say, try to make this a. little less bloody. Oh, god damn it, man. And yeah, that made me rethink. Bro, there's so many videos on Instagram of.

people getting caught in machines. You want to know the worst one? The stupidest one that I ever saw was a. three dudes wanted to get high at work. They were asphalt. uh layers. Mhm. And they're like, let's. jump in the asphalt. No. mixer. No, no, no. jumped in there to smoke a joint. All of. them died. Like three dudes. Yeah. Oh, god damn it. Cuz asphalt is deadly. Yeah. Toxic if you breathe it. It's terrible for you. Oh my god. But I.

mean, I had I had to kind of get into. the system before I started trying to do. tattoos and cuz I had young kids and. stuff. I had to And it's hard to get. into the art business, so I had to try. to do that. Right. But then 9/11 came along and we lost our. contract, cuz all the money went to military [ __ ]. Mhm. And so I had to just make another. plan. I tried to tattoo for a while, that didn't work out. And then got into fine art from there. How did you get into tattooing? How do.

you even practice that? Do you practice. on like pig skin? No, practice on. myself. But um. My A friend of mine actually. from Big Deluxe Tattoo, best shop in. Salt Lake, and also Anthony Begon, what's up, Anthony? Didn't forget you. What's up? Um. But so I worked at Big Deluxe for a. while. My friend Rich runs that shop, and he's like just a total gangster of. tattooing, and runs just a real tight. ship. I apprenticed there for a while.

Accidentally kicked my manager in the. face, and got fired. How did you do that? I I was There's a bar next door that we. always would go to after work, and I was. over there just drunk as [ __ ] and. there's some dude in there that like was. trying to fight me or something. He's. like, I'm going to kick your ass. And so. I I was like, all right, go outside. I'm. going to finish my beer. I'm going to. I'll be out there in a minute. And I was. training lots of Muay Thai at the time, so I was, you know, I was ready to like. do whatever.

And so I walk out the door, and my. friend's holding the door open, and I. was like, where is this dude that is. trying to kick my ass? And he's like, right here, [ __ ] He takes a. swing at me. And I barely ducked it, went down the. sidewalk. I was like, all right, let's. go. And I thought, as soon as he gets within. range, I'm just going to hit him with. that high kick. Right. And so he gets within range, I. throw up the high kick, I spin around, And you miss, and you hit your boss. Cuz. he was going, break it up. I didn't even. see him. Oh, no. He's running out of the shop, cuz he saw us going by the sidewalk. The.

window's right there. He's like, oh, Greg, come on. And he goes like this, seriously, just. hands out. So you went full rotation on. the high kick. Good Good job. wasn't good for Wasn't good for him. It. would have been good. Yeah. Good technique. I did. I mean, like I. said, I got I got to train some good. Muay Thai in Utah. There was a couple. good schools there when I was young. tall dude, too. You have good long. kicks. Yeah. So, that was my thing. If I could. get out of the way, if I could hit you. with a kick, you say good night. So, he fired you for that? Well, I knocked his teeth out and stuff. didn't do it on purpose.

They wouldn't believe me. Oh, come on. Well, They thought you were trying to. hit him instead of hitting the other. guy? Yeah. They probably still do. I didn't. [ __ ] do it, Mike. But. Well, how hammered were you, though? [ __ ] hammered. So [ __ ] hammered I. couldn't even see. That's why I was. like, I'm just going to throw out this. long kick and. and take him out, you know? But then I I thought cuz the dude's. still standing there like Juggernaut. And I thought I hit him with my best. kick. So, I'm like, this dude has to go. Oh, no.

And so, then I'm like, all right, judo. for you. I [ __ ] hip tossed him onto. the concrete. And I started to You know. that when you have like a scarf hold and. you try to do the chicken wing. with your leg, though. And so, I was. pushing out the hip getting ready to. break his shoulder. And his [ __ ] girlfriend kicked me in. the face. cuz she was watching the fight. Mhm. That's the problem with the ground. game in the street, bro. Always, dude. And so, he scurries away. And I ran over and grabbed him and was. like, no, you don't. Put him in a car. Ah, dropped an elbows on him.

And then she wasn't done yet. This. dude's girlfriend was badass. She fish. hooked me. And [ __ ] ripped up my cheek. And I somehow I got her. [ __ ] finger out of my mouth. And then I was like, I'm just going to. kill this [ __ ] now. He's going. to be no good to you at all. And then. just. you know, hit him with a bunch of knees. and took off. Goddamn bar fights are stupid. That was a long long time ago. Like I. was still, you know, It all worked out. Yeah. Isn't it funny how those doors close?

Doors close in your life, new door. opens. Well, I called I called up the. next day. and I was like, dude, I'm going to be a. little late. And Rich is like, no, you're going to be a little fired, [ __ ]. You kicked Mike in the face. Oh, no, I. did not. I did not. I swear. Oh, no. So, but they every you know, everybody's. laughing about it now. I'm sure those. guys will get a kick out of seeing this. Street fights are so stupid. Yeah. Please, folks, if you're listening, don't do it.

Don't do it. Don't. Y'all could have died. We all could have. died. And even the person who kills you, they wish they didn't do it. Yeah. Don't. do it. No, I I know people that have. accidentally. killed killed people in street fights. and stuff. Here's a a guy who was a. pedophile who just got caught the other. day. There's a bunch of these videos. where these guys um. they they like bait pedophiles. Like. they bait them on social media. Like the old show. To Catch a Predator. Catch a Predator. Yeah, there's a bunch. of guys doing that on YouTube, right?

And this one guy got caught. I only. watched the clip of the guy getting. punched. And some guy walks up to him. I. think the dude is wearing a mask. And he. has said something like, I got kids, [ __ ] And he soccer punched this. dude in the head. And the dude fall He's. an old guy, too. And he falls. And you. hear that bang of his head bouncing off. the sidewalk. Yeah. I'm like, oh my god, that guy's. [ __ ] And I'm pretty sure he's dead. I'm pretty sure he died. Which happens. I don't I tried to follow up, too. I.

don't know if he died. heard about it, too, right? Yeah, so. this is it. I'm not going to show it on. the screen. So, show real quick. I don't know if we. can. Oh, it's illegal? I don't It's not our content. Okay, it's. not ours. Well, don't show it on the screen, then. There, right there. Bam. See? That dude. bounces his head off. And the other guy. runs off. But the sound of that guy's. head hitting the concrete is just. horrible. And that's how people die. That's how. you die. don't realize how. strong they are if they [ __ ] hit. someone. You're a full-grown man, you.

know? Did you Google it whether or not. he's dead? This is the follow-up right here. That's. a video, though. Did you Google. I read a story that said he died in the. hospital. I'll check, I guess. ago was this? It's 5 days ago. Yeah, I. think I read a story much more recently. that he died in the hospital. I don't know if that's true, though. Because, you know, like everything is. just for clicks now. Like Bill Maher just pointed this up. that there was a. an article that said there's a 300% rise. in measles in the United States.

Do you know how many cases that is? 35. 300 from nothing. Yeah, well, that is I. was like, I don't know anybody with. measles. I don't think I've ever met. anyone with measles. It's very rare. these days, you know? But the fact that. they wrote that in an article of 300%. rise in measles and everybody goes into. a hot panic. And then you find out it's. 35 people. like back in the day. maybe in the [ __ ] '50s or something, wouldn't they have jumped on that [ __ ]. if it was in in the newspaper and we. found out about it? You lying. [ __ ] There There's just so many.

people bullshitting these days. And we. let them get away with it. And they've been bullshitting since the. beginning. That's how weed is still. illegal. Weed is still illegal because. of William Randolph Hearst, who ran. Hearst publications. And William. Randolph Hearst is the guy who started. printing those stories in the paper. about marijuana. Yeah. You know, that. was marijuana was a name for wild. Mexican tobacco. It was a slang for wild. Mexican tobacco. Cannabis was like well. well known. Huh. And so, they started. saying it was a new drug called. marijuana. And it was causing.

Mexicans and black guys to rape white. white Cuz they would use it after work. cuz they weren't drinking. No, it wasn't. real. They were They were calling it. that because they were trying to get. cannabis. I'm saying they would actually get high. They were trying They weren't doing. anything. They were trying to get marijuana to be. illegal because they wanted hemp out of. business. for paper. That's what it was. For. nylon. Right? Yes. Nylon, DuPont had come up with the. patent for nylon. Yeah. And then there. was also paper mills. Like William.

Randolph Hearst owned forests that they. would cut down to make trees. So, he. owned paper mills as well. And hemp. paper was a superior paper. And so, when. they came out with the decorticator, which was a machine that was much better. at processing hemp fiber, and they had. it in Popular Mechanics magazine. So, they started this campaign against hemp. by creating this boogeyman of a a drug. called marijuana that made people crazy. It's just so they can make money. that's the newspapers in the '30s, man. So, they've been doing this [ __ ]. forever. They've been doing the same.

[ __ ] thing forever. I wonder if there. was ever a time. when the the media and the information. was like working for us, like the the. You know what I mean? Like. there's been people that have been. working for us. But there's always been stories that. were like heavily influenced by the. intelligence community and by, you know, by special interest groups. And that's. always been the case, man. Journalists. have always been on the take. A certain. percentage of them. There's a certain. percentage of journalists that are just. [ __ ] artists. They're not Cuz all. they are is people. They all Yeah.

That's it. All they are. And they're. people doing a job. Like that's their. job. They work at this place that says, "Hey, I want you to concoct this [ __ ]. story." And they have to do it. It's the. same thing as like, dude, I think the. whole [ __ ] problem with. the government is lobbyists. When I was. a little kid and I was super patriotic. like as a little kid and I loved the. Constitution. I think it's. just is so cool the the checks and. balances and the way that thing is. supposed to work is amazing. Awesome. But then I heard about the lobbyists.

And I remember as I probably a 10- or. 12-year-old kid going, what? And and the teacher would say, yeah, yeah, it's. their job. to go and try to influence our. senators. And I'm like, that don't seem. right. And what do they do? They take them to. lunch and they buy them [ __ ]. to [ __ ] convince them to make Okay. Get those [ __ ] out of there. And then we're good. Cuz then all they. got to do is answer to me. And I'm the. one paying them. They're trying to get.

extra [ __ ] money. That's the same. thing as if I was like. you know, working for a gallery and then. selling art on the side or some [ __ ]. You can't do that. I mean, you could. And you know what. happens? What? Like and like customers will come up to. you and say I saw your [ __ ] at a. gallery. And I want to buy it directly from you. And so, then it's on you. Is that Do you. have a deal like with a gallery where. like if you have your stuff up in the. gallery that they have to sell your. stuff only through that gallery?

I mean, it Does it vary? Well, yeah, cuz. sometimes you have to sign you sign an. exclusive. And then some galleries will. front you a bunch of money. So, every. deal is different. But right now I do I. don't sign exclusive deals. I just say. you know, you show my stuff. I still. sell a ton on my own on my own. But you. do that now because you're established. Yeah. But if they see it. in the gallery and they come to me and. they say, we saw it in the gallery, we've only seen it there, then I'll try. to get the sale to go through the.

gallery to actually still cut them in. Yeah. Cuz that's not really right. Right. That's right. That's the right. way to do it cuz they saw it in the. gallery. That's the whole benefit of the. working relationship of you being in a. gallery. I mean, that's how I found you. Galleries are always surprised when you. do it. But who When you bought the. painting you bought from me, you had to. go through the gallery, right? Yeah. But I could have said, bro, [ __ ] the gallery. Just buy it from me. but that wouldn't be cool. Right. Exactly. Right. In that sense, I understand what. you're saying. Yeah. But is there a. situation with some artists where they. have their pieces up in a gallery and.

they're not even allowed to be. commissioned to make a piece outside of. the gallery? I think if if they have an exclusive. contract and they've fronted you money. And if you come to them and say, hey, I. haven't sold anything, can you front me. some more money? And they're going to. take care of you. Okay. So, it's the. fronting the money is the issue. Or the. just the specificity. happens. Okay. Like that's So, for the most part, like say if I went into a gallery and I. saw some piece and it was really dope. And they connected me to the artist. And. And I get her email. And I contact her.

And I said, hey, I really love this. I'm. thinking of something along this theme. Can I contract you to do something like. that? Can I commission you to do. something like that? And they say, yes. Would she still have to go through the. gallery, you think? What do you think. the right thing to do is though for the. artist? I think the right thing, if you. find out about them through the gallery, is probably go through the gallery. Yeah, that makes that makes sense. Yeah. And then like the gallery knows you're. loyal. Yeah. Also, galleries are dope. Like you want we want to keep them open.

You know, like I [ __ ] love going to. galleries. I just I love seeing all the. different I just love different people's. expressions, you know, whether it's. through music or through painting or. illustration or. sculpture, whatever it is. I'm I'm just. interested in the things people create. And so if there's a place we can go and. it's all just [ __ ] that people created, like I'm all in. Yeah. You know, I love. galleries. need more of that. Yes. You know. more of that and we need more. encouraging people to create things. You know, it's it's a very valuable. commodity that's seen as frivolous until.

it's not. It's seen as a no big deal. until it's worth hundreds of thousands. of dollars. It's a very strange world. It It is, but like I mean we think about. it and it's like. what we were talking about earlier, how. this system is so much [ __ ] and it's. so dry and [ __ ] empty and there's. just nothing to it, but they have to. slot you in and make you [ __ ] tow the. line and your your life's so [ __ ]. boring and [ __ ] but if you get into. art, whatever art it is, whether it's. your music, at least you have a solace.

of some kind that you can come home to. So I what I aspired to do was to provide. powerful stuff that people that like. there out there doing crazy [ __ ] all. day, like you, doing stuff that's. affecting the world. Like they're they. got a bunch of stuff on their mind all. the time. But just for 1 minute they look at that. painting and they're like. now I know why the I remember why I'm. doing all this. It's for the spirit. It's for the the essence of life. It's.

to try to make life better Mhm. for all of us. Yeah. You know, that's what art is really. supposed to do is try to communicate to. you that like you do matter. We all. matter. We all matter together and we're. not actually separate because if you can. relate to this and I can relate to this, maybe we can forget about all the. [ __ ] that they're trying to make us. fight about. Yeah. and just [ __ ] check out a show. Yeah. You know. Absolutely. We matter to each other. Yeah. That's what's really important. Even if you think you don't matter in. the great scheme of things, like when.

people get. like real morose and they start thinking. about life as being futile and there's. no reason it's why go on and generally. that's people that are disconnected from. other people. They don't have anybody. like real close that they can hang out. with that they love. Yeah. You know, and. people need that in life. It's uh. you need you need a tribe. Yeah. You do. We're We're tribal people. You need a. tribe like your family should be your. tribe, your friends should be your. tribe. You know, you you need groups of.

people and that's a that's a wonderful. life. That's a joy-filled life. If you. can have a life filled with people that. you enjoy hanging out with. Yeah. If you could do it right. Yeah. And. those those people that think that they. don't matter, that they are alone, you know, don't underestimate the. like the potential you have to actually. affect people's lives. Sure, you could turn it around, too. How. you feel right now is horrible and as. dark as it seems, this is not how you're. going to feel always. You just have to.

trust in this process. And you got to do. something. It was a funny uh little. Instagram clip that I put on my stories. the other day that this lady was talking. about how she feels down and then. someone asked her uh. did you get enough sleep? Nope. Have you. been exercising? Nope. Have you been. eating well? Nope. Have you gone. outside? Nope. Have you stayed off your. phone? Nope. Okay. Why should you feel. good? Exactly. But that's our that's our. I was saying, I'm broke. Did you go to. work? Did you [ __ ] save your money?

Right. Do you have people in your life. that you love? Do you have a thing that. you do that you love? If you don't have. those things, you're going to have a. rough time of it. You know, that's what. we we're here for. We're here for uh. doing things that we love or that are. satisfying and being with people that we. love. And if you don't have those. things, you're you're in a tough spot. And. you know, the the cold hard truth is for. a lot of people, you have to be someone. worthy of other people's appreciation, too. Like what have you done? Who are. you? What you know, what what how what's.

your character like? What are you like. when you talk to people? Are you nice? Are you fun? Are you good to be around? Are you Do you complain a lot? Mhm. You know, and you want the world to. be better, but you complain all the. time. You're just a [ __ ] Debbie. Downer. Is that what you are? Yeah. Cuz. guess what? Nobody wants to be around. you and you're going to be depressed. now. Like you you're making people feel. like [ __ ] You got to get out of that. whatever mindset spiral you're in. and come up with a better way to. interface with humanity. Yeah. Cuz it's it's all about perspective, dude. You know. Like you could I was.

walking around Austin earlier today. I've never been here before. I was just. taking a walk. Is this your first trip? Yeah. Nice. I I like I don't [ __ ] I go to. like art towns for shows. It's all about. business when I travel. I'm just doing. shows and going home and making more. paintings. But just walking around a little bit. down here, I was just like god, this. really. is I can look around and just see how. [ __ ] cool this place is and how all. these people built all this stuff and. they're building it and everybody's.

doing something here and I'm part of it. And I get to just sit here and chill and. like take it all in and go wow, [ __ ]. I'm in this new city. But they're building They've got cranes. on the tops of all the buildings. The. restaurants look all vital. And [ __ ] I love to see that and I'm. like, dude, all these people have good. perspective. Not all of them. Well, I. mean like more more. It's a good vibe, right? And the overall. good vibe of the city, right? Yeah. I I didn't know what to expect, but I was like impressed. I was like,

this place seems pretty cool and I. realized that's my perspective. I'm. looking for the good. Mhm. Right? But. somebody else might be in the same exact. spot and they would only notice the. weird homeless dude over there that they. they hope that he doesn't come over here. and ask them for some money or they're. stressing out about their bills or. whatever it is. And I'm just sitting here thinking, no, well, [ __ ] perspective. Look at how. [ __ ] cool life is. Cuz it it really. is, dude. I think we've all gotten so. [ __ ] up with by these little cell. phones that have kind of captured us.

that we kind of forget. Just go outside. Yeah. You know. Go outside and. experience some things. It's just hard. to do when you're stuck. If you're at. home and you're just like staring at. your phone, it's hard to like put it. down and start moving. It's hard, but. you really have to. It's a trap. It's. trying to get us to get sucked into the. machine, kids, and it's coming. And if. you think it's difficult to resist now, just wait. Yeah. Just wait. But just don't let your tolerance get. all low. Like don't just keep [ __ ].

with it. Like right now go camping. Yeah. Right now go learn to ride a horse. I. don't know about that. You know. You get. hurt. Right. I got some crazy horse. stories. a lot of people that have some crazy. horse stories. I went down to the. think they like to be ridden. No, check this out, dude. I'll tell you. something funny. I went I went down on a photo shoot to. the Navajo reservation years ago, like. probably about. five or six, maybe seven years ago. And the Apaches and the Navajos were. kind of doing a peace ceremony and I was.

down there with uh like this Native. photographer and just a couple friends. We were all hanging out like Navajos and. and. and we ran into this uh Navajo family. There's this this dude that just got. back from the military and like his. little brother and his little sister and. we're all just hanging out like cuz I. just take pictures to get ideas for. paintings and meet people and just go do. stuff and go to the reservation. That's. what gives me the ideas. And so everybody's riding horses and I. haven't ridden a horse since I was a. little kid in Montana, but I I learned.

how. I knew I rode horses every day as a. little kid, like 10 years old or so. We'd ride them to town. And so all these Indians are out there. riding their horses and I want to fit. in. I was like, I'm going to jump up on. one of these horses. And I jump up on one of the trail horses. that's been out on the trail ride all. day and. and this I have these long ass legs. Everyone else's. like shorter than me, so the stirrups. aren't long enough for me. So I jump up. on there and I'm all kind of off balance. and the horse gets weirded out and just. [ __ ] takes off at a full run.

across the desert. Ran. for like a mile, dude, and I'm [ __ ]. like it's bucking me and it's like I. thought about jumping off and. everything. god. I'd been training jujitsu at the time, so I had the like the strong jujitsu. grip that you get. Right. Right. grabbed the saddle horn and just hold on. to it. I'm like, I'm not jumping. I'm. going to wear this [ __ ] out. And. he ran for about a mile. reins? You didn't have a hold of the. reins? reins. Oh my god. He was running, dude. I wasn't ready for.

it. He just. took off. But I didn't fall off. I didn't jump. off. Holy [ __ ] dude. finally got tired and I turned him. around and walked him back to where we. were all hanging out. And everyone's like, we thought we were. going to be peeling you off the prairie. And my horse. like puts his head down and taps the. ground. I said, I made this [ __ ] tap. I jumped off. Oh, dude. Isn't it. interesting that you can break horses? They get wild horses and they can break. them. They break them and get them to.

the point where they can ride them. It's. very strange It's a strange animal. Like. you yeah. I mean, dude, horses are. amazing. And then I got to go down to a. ranch in in uh New Mexico and learned to. ride a bunch a few years ago and I I got. good enough where I was running and. controlling the horse and. It's kind of like a version a real. version of uh Avatar. When they have to. hop on those dragons and they have to. like merge with them. They are exactly [ __ ] like that, dude. like that, right? Exactly. Cuz there's this like thing that's way. more powerful than you, but for some.

weird reason you guys sync up together. And if it likes you, it. It like stomp out rattlesnakes for you. And if it doesn't like you, it'll go. over to the rocks and Yeah, chuck you. off. [ __ ] off, [ __ ] Yeah, you have to. have a good relationship with that. animal. Yeah. And it's a it has to be a real. relationship. But you can't be out of. fear. That animal has to love you. Yeah. And and you have to love it. It's like. dogs. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. They called. them sacred dogs. Mhm. The Lakota did.

Yeah. Yeah, a dog you ride. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dogs and humans have very strange. relationships. Very strange. You know, there's there's. there's a some sort of a sinking of the. minds that's. it's not as simple as the dog recognizes. that it gets food from you and no, no, no. This is like this weird love. Yeah. Well, did you ever see that show that. was about how. uh humans and canines. like evolved together? Yeah, I have seen. it. Yeah. Dude, I mean, I have two dogs. Like they're uh.

part husky, part Akita. They're like. they're like the primal breed. So, they. kind of they look like wolves. They kind. of act like that. Yeah. Like. dude, those dogs are my best friends. You know? Yeah. They pull we go around. the neighborhood. They pull me on my. skateboard and. I know that they know that I'm their. friend. Right. And it's like. I know if if like if I'm having a bad. day or if I'm just like stressed out or. something. and I do this or something, they'll come. right up to you be like, "What's wrong,

bro?" I was in the gym today stretching. out and uh I was doing this crazy back. stretch and it's it's kind of painful. So, I'm like, And next thing you know, Marshall's face. is like right there kissing me. I'm. like, "It's all good, dude. I'm just. stretching.". And he's like, "Hey, did that stretch hurt you?" He. just wanted to make sure I'm okay. It. was just funny. Yeah. It's funny they. just sync up to you. They just there's. something about whatever the that. relationship is, it's so unique to dogs. It's so different than any other animal.

Yeah. You know? It well, it's a. They're concerned about you. Yeah. Other. animals I don't think are concerned. about you. Like your cat's not that. concerned about you. I don't know. He'll. rip your [ __ ] face off if you die and. [ __ ]. Instantly. If you like you break your. leg, your cat's going to go, "Oh, this. guy's [ __ ] loud.". Let me go over there. That [ __ ] snap. really Yeah. I the other day we were working out in. the gym. um with all the comedians and Marshall. was with us and I started kicking the. bag and he starts barking. He starts. jumping up and down and barking cuz he.

thinks like some shit's going down. Is. that bag [ __ ] with you? Like what's. happening here? I know. I know that's. hilarious. I was like, "That's the other. stuff that we did, we did all those. kettlebell workouts, we pushed the sled. That was all fine. But once I started. hitting the bag, he's like, "What the [ __ ] is going on? They can. tell the difference, dude. They can tell. the difference between like actual. violence. Yeah. Yeah, they they understand what. violence is. It's weird. It is, dude. It's like how does he why why is that. different to him than me lifting a.

thing? Or me grunting or pushing a sled. Like what I don't understand what that's. totally why we kept them around cuz they. were like as soon as [ __ ] starts to go. down, you jump in. I'm going to get my. knife. Yeah. Take care of the you hit. them low, I'll hit them high. that they're with you. Yeah, they have. to protect you. [ __ ] The you. like that happens with people, you know, if they get. in some sort of a like brothers and. sisters get in fights together. The dog. [ __ ] tries to jump in. Yeah. It. happens all the all the time. Yeah. You. know, if two girls are beating the [ __ ].

out of each other and a dog jumps like. just at a party, dude. How many times. have you seen that? I don't know. Somebody's just pushing and shoving and. pitbull's got your arm. Yeah. Oh, no. And then you got nerve damage now. He's. like, "You [ __ ] playing [ __ ]. alligator." Yeah. Oh, dude. Those. [ __ ] things. Yeah, they don't. understand that either. Yeah. Especially. dudes, they get a little too loud when. they're playing. Yeah. And the dog's. like, "Oh, some shit's going down." Hey, the dog Do you think so? Yeah. [ __ ]. [ __ ]. This isn't your house. Yeah. This is my. house. Yeah, they they. And I'm not drunk. They don't get the.

rules. Yeah. They don't get the rules of. engagement. That thing in the Avatar is so wild when. they they sync up and they they link. their their tails to the. their their hair thing. Yeah, his like ponytail to the Yeah. Yeah. It's really is kind of what. happens with a horse. Well, everything. is kind of, you know, based on. something. You know what I mean? Like fiction. stuff. You get that idea from somewhere. Well, haven't people said that Avatar's. like Pocahontas in space? I thought they said it's like Dances. with Wolves from space and that pissed.

me off. Well, cuz my my mentor, a friend. of mine wrote Dances with Wolves. Oh, really? He's like one of my best. influences that guided me in my career, Michael Blake. He's a pro, dude. It. wasn't about they say. oh, the white savior story. He's coming. to save the Indians. That's some. [ __ ] I'm like, "Did you watch the. [ __ ] movie? Who saved who?". The white guy didn't save the Indians. They saved him. They're. he learned from the Indians how to be a.

good person. There's nothing wrong with that [ __ ]. story. I barely remember that movie. I. remember it was really good, but I. barely remember it. Well, he he told. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Um It moves. around. Yeah, he told me that he came up. with that idea. by he heard a story where a supply. train, a wagon train pulled up to a like. an abandoned camp, a civil or not civil. or like an army camp. And he heard that. story. And he thought, "Well, what would. I do if I was that guy? Would I just go.

back. to the base, to the army base or would I. stay there and try to figure out what. happened?" And he said he just came up. with the whole thing. based on putting himself there. Mhm. In. his imagination. Right. Right? And he's just such a cool. [ __ ] dude. Like. I remember I was saying, you know, this. is years ago I said, "I want to be the. next Howard Terpning." Which is like the. big Western artist. He's like, "No, dude. Don't be the. next anything. Be the first Greg Overton. Mhm. Just be.

you. Yeah. You know? And hearing that, like the that movie was a big influence. on me. Cuz when I saw that and got a Howard. Terpning book, that's what really got me. back into Western art. Cuz as a as a. teenager, I was doing all the punk art. Like I did album covers for a lot of the. bands from Salt Lake and was trying to. draw comic books and [ __ ] like that. But. as soon as I saw that movie. and got the Howard Terpning book, that's. what really brought me back to. the Native American stuff. And I was.

like, "This is what I'm going to do." I think. what's so interesting about the Native. Americans one of the things that's. interesting I should say about the. Native American stuff is that we didn't. really understand what was even. happening until the 20th century and now. the 21st century. We didn't really have. an understanding of like how their. cultures worked and how they interacted. with each other. The way it was depicted in mainstream. media was always cowboy and Indian. movies. It was like this very crude kind. of simplistic version of what they did. We didn't really understand,

you know, much about Native American. culture until people started started. writing these like Empire of the Summer. Moon, some of these amazing books where. you get a real understanding of like. like Black Elk Speaks, like those kind. of things. We you actually hear from the. people that lived that life. Like what. was that like? Cuz. our version of it was all just stupid. movies. John Wayne movies and [ __ ] And. then Clint Eastwood took it to another. level. Like especially The Outlaw Josey Wales.

[ __ ] yeah. Yeah, when he meets with. that Comanche guy and Ten Bears. Yeah, and him and Ten Bears have this. conversation about what's going to go. down. Yeah. You words have iron. Yeah. Your words have death. Yeah, it's a heavy scene. Will Sampson, that was like. Yeah, that was one of the best movies. ever, dude. That's a great [ __ ] movie. That's a. great [ __ ] movie. Yeah. That's a fun. movie. But that's that's like. the real. Comanche. Texas Ranger cuz he was a Texas Ranger. type dude. You know what I mean? And.

those are. those are both just awesome icons of the. West. We should respect both of those. Yeah. Because they neither one of them. were like a hero or a villain purely. I. mean, the Comanche, they were a [ __ ]. empire. They were they were. out for conquest. They were colonizing. the [ __ ] out of they. took all the horses and they're like, "Fuck you. We're taking it.". Yeah, they they committed raids on other. Native American tribes all the time. I. mean, they were they were ruthless. I. mean, we've talked about this before.

with the just the name Sioux. That. wasn't their name. Then that was the. name for enemy. Yeah. Their their name. was the Lakota people. That's what they. called themselves. But everybody else. called them the enemy. Yeah. They were. [ __ ] everybody up. Because they're. wiping them out. unity amongst Native American tribes. I. mean, it was really no different than. the interactions that we have with other. countries. Like sometimes you're. connected to them and you you're allies. and sometimes you're at war. And. sometimes it's the same groups of people. that you used to be allies and now.

you're at war or you used to be at war. and now you're allies. Like United. States and Japan. Perfect example. You. know? I mean, that's probably one of the. best examples in modern times. Yeah. We literally dropped indiscriminate. nuclear bombs on two of their cities. And now we buy their cars and go there. for Disneyland. That's what one of your. friends. Sorry, I nuked your [ __ ] house, bro. It was almost 80 years ago, dude. Let it. go. I just nuked your [ __ ] house. Come. on. Let it go. You wouldn't stop fighting,

bro. Apparently they're like, "Dude, you. didn't get our memo. We we're going to. stop fighting." You guys just wanted to. try out your [ __ ] bomb. Yeah, I just. wanted to you just wanted to flex and. you you. you just wanted to flex your [ __ ]. nuke power and you still want to go to. vacation in [ __ ] Europe, [ __ ]. That's what Imagine seeing the first. nuke go off and realize that nothing's. ever going to be the same again. When they dropped that first nuke on a. city, just like, "Oh my god, what have. you done? What have you done? And what. precedent have you set?" It's kind of.

really truly amazing that we haven't. done it since then. Yeah. That's what. makes you believe in the aliens and. multi-dimensional beings and [ __ ]. Really? That Well, cuz It's me Isn't it just. mutually assured destruction as well? No, no. I'm saying like. when humanity got all the nuclear bombs. and [ __ ] that's when you start to see. all the sightings and stuff. Mhm. So, that that's why it kind of. makes sense that they'd be like, "Oh, what are you doing? We can't let you. blow up your whole [ __ ] planet before. you even evolve to your first level cuz.

for all we know, we're still white. belts." Right. Well, leafcutter ants. have no idea that you have a car. They have no idea. They have no idea. what a. a Bitcoin is. Yeah. They have no idea, you know, what 4G is. They don't know. [ __ ]. They just know about cutting leaves and. being ants. Right. They're But, they're around it. all the time. It's very possible that. there's some [ __ ] like that in other. dimensions that are equally bizarre. that we just we we are not connected to. all the time. And they might be here all.

the time. And if that's the case, then. it makes sense that they would start. showing up when we were in the middle of. dropping nukes on each other. They'd be. like, "Hey, hey, hey, hey." Be like when. your parents heard you just beating the. [ __ ] out of each other in the other. room, they come in there like, "All. right, [ __ ] settle down.". boys. You're going to [ __ ] up the. drywall now. Yeah, you guys are crashing. into [ __ ] TVs and [ __ ] They're like, "Hey." That's all it is. We're just. their dumb kids in the next room making. a bunch of noise. Because. maybe they needed to let us know like,

"Hey, there's some there's some other. folks here and they're way more advanced. and settle the [ __ ] down." And we're. trying to bring you along, just, you. know. The problem is with all that stuff. is it's so hard to know what's true and. what's [ __ ] Just like the Bigfoot. thing. It's so hard to Well, the Bigfoot. thing's way easier, right? But, the the. UFO thing see there's way more evidence. It it's so hard to know what's [ __ ]. This is so hard. It's so hard to know. who's telling the truth and who's lying.

It's so hard to know what involvement. the government has in terms of like how. many of these things are drones. You. know, you're hearing now that a lot of. these people that believe that these. things are flying around, they think. that what we're dealing with is some. sort of government drone. And that a lot. of this off-world craft talk is really. just misinformation so that they don't. have to take accountability for having. some crazy thing that China doesn't have. or maybe China has that we don't have. And then what they want to lie about it.

You know, and try to develop whatever. the [ __ ] they have. Yeah. And when you. find out what they're really doing, then. it's like, "Okay, now this makes sense.". Mhm. Now that makes sense cuz you're. having to [ __ ] do all this to develop. that. Well, you know, there's a whole. conspiracy about the invention of the. transistor. Cuz the transistor came about right. after Roswell. And there's a company called Bell Labs. And Bell Labs. was they I believe they were the people.

that invented the transistor. And there. was a military base right outside of. Bell Labs. And they had always said that. that military base was to protect New. York City. But, it's pretty far from New. York City. Like, if you wanted to. protect New York City, put a base a lot. closer. You wouldn't You wouldn't put it. so far away where it'd take them like 40. minutes to fly there. Yeah. But, Bell. Labs is a wild place. And that was one. of the main. focal points of conspiracy theorists. when they were talking about back. engineering stuff from crashed UFOs was.

fiber optics and transistors. And that. they all came about very shortly after. Roswell. And people don't exactly know. how they figured those out. They probably those were probably the. the like the most basic things that they. recovered. So, they are the easiest to figure out. So, that's why we had them first. And. there's like it's just like. those [ __ ] PlayStations. How they. release a better one every few years. Maybe they had PlayStation 5 in '95, but. they're still giving us PlayStation 1.

Cuz they want to sell all five. can't just give us a time machine. Yeah. to give us a spaceship first. Yeah. Like, first of all, you got to figure. out travel, you morons. And we won't even need a [ __ ]. spaceship once we got a time machine. Yeah. Then we'll give you the Big Bang. machine. Yeah. That takes time. You got to get to a. higher level civilization. Have you. heard of a Dyson sphere? Do you know. what a Dyson sphere is? I've heard of. it. What is it? I don't know. Well, it's. a a massive structure that some. astronomers believe.

could indicate highly advanced uh. intelligent life somewhere in the. universe. They've never been discovered, but they've been theorized that these. There's this article that I was reading. yesterday about it. If you See if you. can find it. So, it can like tell you where it would. be? think they're massive structures that. are like literally like a structure the. size of a solar system. And somebody made that and those [ __ ]. things are out there? Well, this is this is just theorized, right? When they were talking about the. highest potential level of technological.

ability that you could get to? Yeah, I. mean, imagine if you got to a place. where you had a self-contained solar. system that's completely. controlled by these intelligent beings, but that's immune to all of the hazards. What if we're in that [ __ ] We. might be. That's the simulation. be. We might be. We might be. And Thanos. is like a type two civilization, one. that can directly harness harvest, rather, the energy of its star using a. Dyson sphere or something similar.

So, it like is solar powered, basically. Well, I don't know what the [ __ ] it is. I mean, I think it's totally. theoretical. There's no there's no real. versions of them that are out there. But, the idea is that if. technological proficiency and innovation. continues at the level that it is now. for millions of years, what does it get. to? Yeah. But, you know what? It's. probably going to get weirder than that. Cuz the [ __ ] you can imagine. Like, remember the '80s when you [ __ ] had a. Walkman? Right. Whoa, what are they going to have in a. few years? Right. I'll be able to, you.

know, you probably thought it was still. going to be a cassette tape. Like, when. you watch The Fifth Element or Blade. Runner, Mhm. they're still using [ __ ]. telephones. They didn't even think of. cell phones. Right. But, that's our most obvious. thing that we have right now. Star Trek, they had a walkie-talkie. Yeah. Kirk out. Right. Cuz you're you're. still like relating it from like 1960. military [ __ ] space. Yeah. Right? Exactly, dude. That's not the Unreal 5 engine. going to [ __ ] God of War? Mhm. Holy.

[ __ ]. keep going. That's what I think. artificial intelligence is. I think. And this is a I don't really think this. This is just a thought. Maybe the universe is God. And maybe the way. God is created is through intelligent. life. That intelligent life creates a. far superior version of itself in. artificial intelligence. And that. creates a far better version of itself.

infinitely. They just keep making better. versions of itself as it has more of an. understanding and more capacity and it. grows and it makes better versions of. itself. It's eventually going to get to. god-like powers. The the power to create. universes, the create power to create. solar systems, the power to stop time, reverse time, the power to traverse. immense distances instantaneously. It'll. just have. it'll have capabilities that we could. only. imagine. We could always just we could.

just imagine if and it can do that. Yeah. I mean, if if we look at how we're. living right now in comparison. to how people were living when they were. making those those cave paintings. Like, wow. Yeah. Insane. Insane. to [ __ ]. That's not going to stop right here. Yeah, but what's the things they can do? The 3D printing? 3D printing? That's [ __ ] crazy, dude. insane. I mean, Well, you know, that's what they think. the spaceships are made out of now. Yeah. Like, when Bob Lazar was first. examining if he's telling the truth.

When Bob Lazar was first examining the. spaceships, the thing that blew him away. was there was no seams. It didn't make. any sense. Like, how how could one even. make something like this? Well, now that. we know there's 3D printers and you. could make something like that. Yeah. You could I mean, I don't think. you could make it that scale yet. But, if you had enough of a capability, you. had machines that could do it. I mean, if we thought of it and we're. doing it and they're [ __ ] Right. 60 million light-years ahead of us. Right. Like, who's to say they're not? Who's to say they're not 60,000.

years ahead of us or 600,000 or 6. million? Or, like, think about it. If you have a. [ __ ] time machine, you could go back. to check out some [ __ ] that already. happened, but you could also go forward. I mean, we just have no comprehension of what. you could Maybe you could like. start a project in your lab, right? And. then travel and you get all these. [ __ ] AI robots to work on it. And. then you travel way forward in time and. go get it. And then bring it back. Ooh. And then it's like the [ __ ] ultimate.

thing. Ooh. You know? Like, that's what I'd be doing if I had. time machines. I'd be like, "All right. I'm going to get all these [ __ ]. helpers to build these awesome monuments. and then I'm going to go in forward in. time and check on it. All right, did you. You know what I mean? Like, it would. just give you if you could manipulate. time and travel through time like it's. an element. Like, did you Have you ever. checked. would you you wouldn't be able to. experience it. Because like you would. always be involved in time being. manipulated. So, there'd be no static. time. So, even in this static time,

something could intervene. instantaneously, always. For forever. if we don't really understand the nature. of time to make those definitions? What. if you could If you could get this time. machine, what if you could kind of like. step out of time. in a lot of different ways that you. don't think would You know what I'm. saying? Right, right, right. Like, you could go. into a timeline and you don't even. necessarily affect that timeline. If you know how to just observe it. Right. And not like physically disturb.

it. But you do affect it if you go forward. in the future. The idea of a time. machine, the current idea of a time machine, is. that you can't travel where there are no. roads. So once a time machine is. invented, then everything from that time. that time machine is invented forward. becomes. a completely different way of using. time. Because time now is non-linear. Time now anyone can go. So everything.

happens all at once. So people from the future will be. traveling back to the moment where the. first time machine is invented. So. everything will change instantly. Yeah. Because if you're going to you're. going to invent a time machine and you. live a million years in the future. assuming that humans even exist if a. time machine gets invented. I mean, we. might become obsolete almost. instantaneously. But you would if you. were a live human being a million years. after the time machine is invented, you. would want to go back to the moment the. thing was made. You would you'd want and. so the moment they turn that.

[ __ ] on, everything changes. forever. Yeah. Singularity. Yeah, that. might be the real singularity. And that. was one of McKenna's theories. Terence. McKenna believed that we were going to. come up with a time machine. He thought that that was going to happen. around December 21st, 2012. Well, have. you you checked out his Time Wave Zero. and all that stuff? Yeah. Yeah. And you know how they came. up with that, those Taoist priests and. [ __ ] How did they? The [ __ ] I Ching. dude. They would go into deep. meditations and they would take. mushrooms too. And they found out that.

that time can be mapped. and like predicted. That's where the. [ __ ] I Ching comes from. People in. the 60s got all into the I Ching. The I. Ching is like a game, right? No, it's a. it's a book. It's made up of. I'm not like an expert on it. But isn't there a game that's involved. with the I Ching that McKenna sort of. patented Time Wave Zero. Zero Time Wave Zero on. I don't I don't know if he made a game. of it, but it's not. I Ching a game? It's like a.

fortune-telling system. what it's like. It's like a form of. div Divination. Divination, right. Yeah, it is like a. fortune-telling thing. That's what it. is. It's not a game. Yeah. I was trying. to remember how he I haven't heard his. stuff in a long time. Try to remember how he described it. But. most people that have looked at Time. Wave Zero think it's kind of nonsense. Including guys like Paul Stamets. They're like, "He's. He was he's probably tripping real hard. when he came up with that." I don't. know. I think it's above their head, dude. It might be. I think It also is a. ridiculous thing to um.

subscribe to. So a lot of people are. reluctant to like open theirself up to. ridicule. But so is everything. Everything's. ridiculous. What's. what's all these like religions and. everything that everybody [ __ ] is. into? Everything's ridiculous. Nothing. is Taoism and Time Wave Zero isn't any. more ridiculous than anything else that. people are [ __ ] tarot cards. It's I. think it's really interesting cuz those. I really get into ancient Chinese. culture. Like I was into. you know, kung fu at a young age. So.

I've studied a lot of Chinese. philosophy, Taoism, all that stuff. Those people were highly intelligent, spiritual people who were. doing deep meditations and discovering. really profound truths, you know? I. think that we are at a level where we're. so. intellectual that we're almost too. intellectual. So it's almost like. we can only we can only. think about things in this scale. Like. people see in a certain.

uh frequency. They can only see certain. lights, but like dogs can hear sounds we. can't hear others. So it's it's just. like that. It's like our [ __ ]. intellect is like this and we can figure. out all but Cuz we exist within the. context of our culture. Cuz we've fallen in love with this. Right. But there's also this and your your your. spirit. that that's what figured out. the Tao Te Ching. That's what figured. out you know, how to tame horses and be. one with them and domesticate primates. It wasn't just us thinking cerebrally.

That's like that's kind of limited. I. think our our real. being is deeper than that. You know what. I mean? I think you can learn and know. things cuz I don't think about my ideas. for art. I don't try to come up with. them intellectually. I just meditate. I wait for it to find. me. And that's not an intellectual practice. Right. But obviously it yields results, right? So it's the right way to do it. Yep.

Meanwhile people wouldn't think about. that. They would think, "Oh, like what's. the straight How do you do this? You you. add these boards and that's how you make. a house." You. switches and that's how you make a. computer. Exactly. Yeah. That's why like Bruce Lee. innovated martial arts because he said. like let's kind of break down all these. systems. Let's not adhere to these. Right. He called it organized despair. Mhm. All that the karate forms and just. doing your sparring and not really doing.

live training. It's a threshold that you. don't want to cross. Mhm. It's so you're. stuck in this like let's go through all. these boring stupid rituals to try to. prop up our [ __ ] society when it's. like, "No, I think we've taken intellect. as far as. it's going to go." I think if if we're. going to get to the next level, we have. to go. deeper this way. And you know what I. mean? Well, think it should be both, right? And I think the problem is that with. money and with capitalism and our.

society and what our reward system is. based on, it rewards people going towards the. things that are going to get you results. that you could show other people. You know? Like houses and cars and stuff. like that. Like like a quick result. Well, like a physical tangible thing. that's measured and cherished by society. as opposed to spiritual growth. Yeah. You know, we don't think of spiritual. growth as being like it's almost like a. frivolous pursuit of uh silly people. You know, "I'm working on my spiritual.

growth." She [ __ ] lazy [ __ ] Like. what are you doing? You ain't doing What. are you actually doing? You just sit. around eating [ __ ] cookies all day. Yeah, yeah, doing anything. You know? Self-love. Okay, settle down. Maybe you love yourself too much. Yeah, maybe you think about yourself too. much. There's so many other things to. think about. You know? And. it's just. we have a very complex society that has. a gravity to it and it sucks you in. It. makes you a part of it and you don't. have a whole lot of say. You get locked.

in and you get locked in when when. you're real young. Get indoctrinated in. the education system and then you get. outside of it and you have to make a. living and take care of yourself and pay. your bills. You get locked in. Meanwhile space. Meanwhile space is happening right above. you. And every now and then you're. forced to see it. Like I don't know if. you guys got any of the northern lights. from the solar storms. Like once yeah. get it? Yeah. What was it like? Just I mean, I. didn't see it. My daughter just sent me. pictures of it. Like yeah. My buddy.

lives in Montana and he was sending me. photos of what's going on. And Jamie, your buddy in Ohio, right? Well, yeah. All my friends in Ohio saw. it, so maybe that's far. Yeah, it's. wild. Wild stuff. just happened all over the place, man. Mhm. Well, we knew about it. We knew. they were coming because um there's two. different types of radiation that comes. from those um storms. Um when they have. this these big coronal mass ejections, one of them reaches us in seconds. I. think that's um that's gamma waves. Is.

that what that is? That reaches us in. seconds? And then um. the second one takes days to get us and. that's the one that can take out your. cell phone towers and [ __ ] up. communications and shut down the grid. And if it gets big enough, we're we're. really doomed. Wow. Yeah, we have a very very. vulnerable system. And we're we're essentially living in a. house. with a glass ceiling hoping that it. doesn't hail. That don't help me sleep good at night.

Right? If you park your car outside, you. know, if most of the time your car's. fine. Most of the time it doesn't hail. But if. it hails, your car's [ __ ] Your car's. Your car's going to get [ __ ] up. I'm. sure you've seen like damage that hail's. caused Yeah. to people's cars. [ __ ]. man. And that is an unpredictable thing. that happens way more often than these. massive solar ejections. But if they get big enough, they get big enough, we're [ __ ] If. they get big enough, we are back in the.

caveman days, kids. I mean, we still have books and we'll be. reading them by candlelight, but all. refrigeration's gone. You're going to. have bio-diesel generators. You're going. to have to Start making beef jerky. again. yeah, yeah. You're going to need beef. jerky. You're going to need water. purification tablets. You're going to. need someone who can figure out how to. make those water for purification. tablets without electricity. Someone to test the water on before you. drink it. Bro. You need a whole bunch of [ __ ]. get real squirrely. What is when they. have a coronal mass ejection, what is.

the There's two different types of I. know. I'm very I'm lost in this in the. science of it. It says that all First it. said all waves travel at the same speed, which I was like, "Okay, that's not what. we're looking for." All right here it. says they all travel at the speed of. light. The waves do. Visible or gamma. Right, so they those reach us in a few. seconds. But then I'm saying they end up. traveling up to a million miles a. second. Whoa. So that's how I'm like I'm. trying to find out which waves are the. ones we're talking about then. So how. many million miles away is. than light? Million miles a second.

In my head I was about to do that. calculation next. I think it is, but. Really? exactly. It's. The speed of light is like it's. something meters per second. how we figure out time travel. These [ __ ]. It's like 278,000 meters per second or. something crazy. I guess that could be close to a million. miles per second too. Also, I don't. know. Either way, that [ __ ] is not. stable. Dude. That sun I mean it's fairly stable, but. every now and then it'll blow a gasket. and you get just crazy waves headed.

towards us that'll just. It's like having a really crazy friend. that just might [ __ ] freak out any. minute. you bring him to a bar. He's got PTSD, he's on LSD. No, he's a good dude, I swear. All sudden he's got a DUI. Um. what was the worst uh version of it? Wasn't there something that happened. that took out like Morse code towers in. the 1800s? I think there was one big historical. mass ejection that was documented within.

the last couple hundred years that they. say if it happened today, we would be. really [ __ ] That the same thing if it. happened today. The Carrington event is what it's. called. The most intense geomagnetic. storm in recorded history. When was that. one? September 1st and 2nd of 1859. And so, the Carrington event, most. intense geomagnetic storm recorded. history, peaking from 1 to 2 September. 1859 during solar cycle 10, created. strong auroral displays that were. reported globally and caused sparking.

and even fires in multiple telegraph. stations. Yeah, so like what the [ __ ] would that. do today? So it just blows up everything that has. electricity in it. Yeah, it just cooks everything. Dude, what if everybody's car just blew up? Everybody's [ __ ] house just blew up. your TV? probably would. Probably cook your. [ __ ] computer in your car. September. 1st is Carrington was sketching on. sunspots. He was blinded by a sudden. flash of light. Carrington described it. as a white light flare, according to. NASA spaceflight. The whole event lasted.

about 5 minutes. The flare was a major. coronal mass ejection, a burst of. magnetized plasma from the sun's upper. atmosphere, the corona. At in 17.6. hours, the coronal mass ejection. traversed over 90 million miles between. the sun Okay, that's the distance. between the sun and the earth, 150. million kilometers. And unleashed its. force its force on our planet. According. to NASA spaceflight, it usually takes. CMEs multiple days to reach Earth.

The day after Carrington observed the. impressive flare, Earth experienced an. unprecedented geomagnetic storm with. telegraph systems going haywire and. auroral displays normally confined to. polar latitudes visible in the tropics, according to NASA science. Carrington. put two and two together and realized. that the solar flare he'd seen was. almost certainly the cause of this. massive geomagnetic disturbance. Uh this was a connection that had never. previously been made, according to NASA. spaceflight. The solar storm of 1859 is.

now known as the Carrington event in his. honor. Wow. So if that happened today, what. Google what would happen if the. Carrington event happened today? Let's find out what happens today. cell phone just blows up. Yeah, oh probably. It probably cooks. everything. But that's what's really. scary is that all of our cars are. controlled by computers. Unless you have. an old car that has a carburetor, you're. [ __ ]. Unless you have an old ass, you know, 1988 Toyota truck, you're you're in. you're in a bad spot.

Um. Right there. What would happen with a. Carrington event today? People ask. First one. Click on that. Um as such, Hudson suggested that a. solar flare on the level of Carrington. event might not pose as big a threat to. humankind as some fear. Still, a. Carrington event pointed at Earth today. would have substantial impacts mainly on. human activities in space. Also, it wouldn't kill our grid. No, probably not. I think they're just [ __ ] guessing. Yeah, they don't want to freak people.

out, dude. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Cuz if it's never happened, how do you. know what would happen? Also, that one the Carrington event, we. don't really totally know how big it. was. Right, cuz they didn't have the. instruments to measure it back then. And. what if there's one that's double that? I mean if that can happen, something. bigger can happen. I mean it's not. I mean we've only been around a short. amount of time. The [ __ ] sun's been. around for billions of years. Like how. long is it every now and then it shoots.

off a big wad of jizz. and blasts us with some plasma. Just destroys all our technology. You know, when they first started uh. observing gamma-ray bursts in the. universe, they thought that there was. wars going on in space. It was Yeah, when they first started. detecting these gamma-ray bursts, they. found that they were happening like. every couple seconds all over space. And. they were reading too much science. fiction. No, no they realized they what they.

didn't know what it was. Like what are. these bursts? And then they realized. they're something called hypernovas. So if a hypernova like if our sun goes. hypernova, that's a wrap. That's a wrap. for everything. up. Yeah, it it cooks the whole solar. system. that's what they're detecting all over. the place? Yeah. So suns are always. [ __ ] blowing up. Yeah. Well, there's so many of them. Eventually they reach the end of their. life cycle and if they hypernova, if. they're big enough, they have enough. mass and they hypernova, that's that's a. wrap for the whole solar system. Yeah, like I think it's a wrap for other.

solar systems that are close by, too. I. think it's a wrap for like pretty much. everything. But maybe like you get to that point. where. What is this, Jamie? Cat captures a supernova. Hypernova is. actually even bigger than a supernova. So this is the national the the Hubble. telescope captured a supernova. But there was a. I think it was a science channel had. this. documentary on hypernovas where these. people were talking about how when they. first started measuring them they were.

like, oh [ __ ] Like I mean cuz this is. like post World War II. We understand. atomic bombs. Like what do these guys. have? Like these guys are blowing up. whole planets out there. Like, oh [ __ ]. Imagine thinking that the universe is. teeming with life and that life is so. violent that it's blowing up planets. Yeah. Total Star Wars [ __ ]. Yeah, you'd have to if you were that. scientist, you'd just have to be like, holy [ __ ]. What do I tell people? What Yeah, and you wouldn't you probably. wouldn't want to tell them that, but. you'd have to tell like the generals, I.

would think there might be [ __ ] Star. Wars going on here. I'm sure they had meetings. I'm sure they had meeting when they when. they first detected these things, I'm. sure they were like, oh Jesus Christ. Okay, Mr. Eisenhower, we've got some. problems. What are we going to do? We might not be [ __ ] after all. Yeah. Well, we're something to us, but in the. greater scheme of it all, I mean the. universe doesn't seem to care if it. cooks entire solar systems Yeah. every. couple seconds. Well, cuz I mean the. universe has to know more than we do. So.

we're over here thinking we're all. badass. How do we know it's not better. if you get zapped and then you [ __ ]. appear in a different dimension? That's. probably what happens. Yeah. What are hypernovas? I was going. to show you this one I was just finding. on this video about the largest. supernova ever. SN 1572, which I guess is the year. So. it was said it was visible for 23 days. Oh my god. nights. Wow. So then like I'm watching the video. This is non-scientific. It look could.

look like a you know, a star or planet. that wasn't actually there if they were. observing it for so long, you know? It would have ended up in a book. And I don't know what would they have. thought was going on. Would they have. known it was a supernova back then? Like. how much did they know about that? How big did they say they saw? Did they. talk about it? Well, I'm trying to just go off without. listening to the video. I'm just going. off pictures and words and stuff. Um. I'm not quite sure though. You imagine. living back then. and you see some [ __ ] flare in the. sky. they look. that's what they were looking at.

Look at that [ __ ] telescope. He puts his eye up to it and it just. fries his [ __ ] eye out. All right, imagine. Yeah, they those. dummies are just staring He's looking. right AT THE SUPER. AH Did you watch the eclipse? The last one? Yeah, you didn't see it? No. No? Oh my god, it was wild, man. It was. weird. I saw the one uh before that I was down. in Santa Fe. Oh yeah? I saw I was. outside, but I can't remember what I was. doing, but I was like, oh there's an. eclipse. That's how out of touch I am, dude. I don't even hear about the. [ __ ] Well, this was a such a big one. that everybody was preparing and you.

know, Rogue sent us some sunglasses. So. I went out in my backyard and watched. it. It was pretty dope, man. It it's. weird to hear all the birds stop. chirping. Like everything stopped. All the sounds. stopped. Yeah. And then you just have. this bizarre moment for a couple minutes. where it's dark out. Yeah, it's all weird and empty. And then. the the eclipse looked amazing. It's so. weird that the sun and the moon are the. perfect size that they line up that way.

That gets people like weirded out. They. go, how is what are the odds? Is there. any other planet in our solar system. that experiences that? Yeah. Oh [ __ ]. the odds. That it's exactly. planet that has intelligent life that. it's blocked out perfectly by our moon. And what is that what does that do like. I don't know, man. Like maybe it's. superstitious or something, but I think. those cosmic cycles I think it's a. reminder. Yeah. I think it's certainly a.

reminder of the just the vastness and. bizarreness of space itself. when you you realize like, oh there's a. giant nuclear explosion in the sky that. keeps the lights on. Yeah, and then. there's this other. blocked. Yeah, the other [ __ ] rock that just. blocks it out is perfectly Yeah. sized. and shaped to just. rock is also perfectly sized to give us. a a stable. stable gravity that we're not wobbling.

enough so that we don't vary too much in. our temperature. Yeah. It keeps us. stable cuz it's pretty big. That moon's. pretty [ __ ] big. And the tides. Uh-huh. And everything. [ __ ] It's all. very weird. What the an eclipse of one. of the moons of Mars looks like. Mm. It's so small and not doesn't fit. perfectly. Yeah, it doesn't fit perfectly at all. It just goes across it. So that's the. shadow that it cast that weird Yeah. I wonder if there's are there any other. planets in this solar system that would. experience an eclipse that's similar to.

ours? That's what I was trying to just look at. that. Like I was thinking Saturn's got. multiple moons. Is there any way It kind. of would have to be a. right it would have to be a moon like. one of them would have to line up and. it'd have to be the same size as the. sun. In terms of like how it fits in the sky. the distance so so that it's the perfect. size to block it out cuz it's it's so. perfect. Like you all you see is like as. it passes over you just see the outside. light. You see this black circle on the.

outside light. ring. It's perfect. Yeah. It's perfectly established to give us an. eclipse. That is weird when you think. about it. Like. It is but the whole thing's weird. I. mean it's probably one of the least. weird things about space. Yeah. I mean. like I had an astronomy class in high. school and that class would just trip me. out. hearing about how infinite and like the. white dwarfs and the pulsars and all. this [ __ ] that's out there that they can. see so. far out there is wild and then I got.

really sad when. Eddie said space is fake. I don't think he's an expert. I was like. Eddie He's really good at choking people. though. Cuz you beat Hoyler I'm going to. listen to you. There's. there's some real interesting stuff. that's going on now where they're. finding galaxies that are so far away. and are so far formed they're so well. formed that they don't think that they. should exist given the the timeline of. the universe. They're very confused as.

to how these things exist where they. exist that they shouldn't have been. formed. in this way. [ __ ] things. Well I think what it is. is it's probably the the universe is. probably older than we think it is. I. think they're just with the web. telescope they're just starting to be. able to detect these structures in deep. space. that they're so far away and they're so. old that they shouldn't be able to exist. if the Big Bang happened 13.7 billion. years ago. a way to stabilize themselves.

like if you're cuz you got to think like. if you're the right place the right time. your technology your technology advances. high enough before you destroy yourself. maybe you don't have a planet where. everybody likes to kill each other and. you have world wars every [ __ ] 100. years. and you don't nuke whatever and you. build your technology in a good way. maybe you could stabilize it so [ __ ]. Big Bang happens and you got some time. wave zero [ __ ] that. you know. That's the least likely. The. most likely is that.

we have a bad understanding of how old. space is. Galaxies that shouldn't exist. keep being discovered. by the James Webb Space Telescope. A. bright red speck appears against the. backdrop of a space photo but. astronomers say that it shouldn't be. there but there it is published today in. the national journal Nature. An. international research team led by Carl. Glazebrook from Swinburne University of. Technology in Melbourne says that the. light reaching Earth from this galaxy. named JWST 7329 is 11.5 billion years.

old and comes from an ancient assembly. of stars likely formed 13 billion years. ago. It doesn't make sense because it's. been thought until now there wasn't. enough dark matter in the early universe. to prompt this formation. Uh current understandings of what grows. a galaxy suggest that dark matter halos. which are filled or fields of invisible. material in space coalesce and collect. stars and galaxies within their. structure. It's only because of the.

James Webb Space Telescope that the team. has been able to clarify what the red. speck was in seven years of long. observations using ground-based Keck the. Hawaii Observatory and the VLT in Chile. all they could see was a faint red. smudge. NASA's James Webb Telescope it's. been such an incredible thing been. waiting for the last 30 years been. delivering all those dreams we've had. Glazebrook tells Cosmos. This is. something we've working on over the. years deeper and deeper surveys looking. for the oldest and most massive galaxies. that formed. We did the calculations of.

how old it is and it's way beyond the. bounds of what's reasonable to form in. the cold dark matter dominated universe. It's really a huge puzzle. So I think they have crude instruments. relatively crude instruments for seeing. that far back and they keep getting. better and the James Webb is better than. the Hubble and the. the more they can see the more it. reveals puzzles. They're just not. exactly sure what the [ __ ] is going on. out there. And it's big. And when they. find out dude like it just make doesn't.

that make you wonder like what the [ __ ]. what's the answer? You know? Well they. also don't even know if the Big Bang was. actually the beginning of the universe. That's there's a lot of people including. Sir Roger Penrose think the Big Bang uh. that the universe existed before the Big. Bang. And that there's also people that. believe that there might be this. constant cycle of Big Bang expansion and. then ultimately compression and then Big. Bang again. It's really wild.

But that makes sense because it's like. how do you just how is there nothing? Right. How's there just nothing and then all of. a sudden a Big Bang. It'd be yeah it'd. be more likely like everything expands. contracts. isn't it a weird thing to think how was. there something? If there wasn't if there wasn't nothing. why is there something? Why is there. always been something? That seems even. less likely. Like what the [ __ ] is that? Right but I mean we got to like assume. if there's something now. probably all. always stuff was something. But how.

could it always be something? What did. it how did it start? That's that's the [ __ ] yeah that's. the question like if you ever got to. meet God you'd be like what predated. you? Right. What created you? Right. You know? Right. your mind blows up. They'd be like. chat GPT. Yeah. like. And then you'd be like I am a [ __ ]. cyborg. I think. I I think we're going to find out some.

very interesting stuff in the next five. years. Yeah. in the next five years things are going. to get real [ __ ] squirrely. Yeah. But you know you you kind of just. there's no other choice than to look. forward to it. Well I mean no one's. going to hit the brakes. Yeah. We got to. ride the sound. and enjoy it. So you just got to think. well. is we live in interesting times. We. definitely live in interesting times. I. think the most interesting times because. um. you know there was an interview recently. where someone was talking about this and.

they were saying that this is what the. first time in history that no one has. any idea of what it's going to look like. in 20 years. Or probably even five. Probably even. five. Yeah cuz the way everything's. expanding exponentially. kind of leads you to believe it's going. to continue to do that. Mhm. And then what are those unpredictable. changes going to be? Right. my [ __ ] life is completely different. than it was five years ago bro. Unpredictable [ __ ] happened to me and. but I don't know. Well the whole world's. different than it was four years ago.

right? Covid comes along everything. changes. The whole world's different. now. So like what yeah what does that. look like? What does it look like five. 20 years from now? It's going to be. weird man I'll tell you that. There's no. way it's not going to be weird. It's. weird already. You know? Yeah it is but it's it's. almost like do you live your life. [ __ ] worrying about it or do you just. say. I'm alive just [ __ ] check it out. This is going to be wild dude. We don't. know because one of those solar flares. could take everything out and then we.

don't even have a show to watch. True. At least there's something to do. Well. it's definitely something to do and you. definitely can't stop it. So you. definitely should just live your life. and enjoy it. But doesn't make it any. less fascinating you know. It is. absolutely fascinating. Yeah. This is the timeline that we're in for. whatever reason. That's what gets real. weird. It's like why are we in this. timeline? Everyone listening to this. right now. Everyone watching this right. now. Why are you in this timeline? Why is this the time that you exist? Have you existed before?

Is this your first time in this. timeline? You know everybody wants to assume it is. like someone said to me once. that they wouldn't like. there's a theory I'm sure you're aware. of this theory that you live the same. life over and over and over again until. you get it right. You know to eat that enlightenment is. possible but you you have to you you got. to go at it over and over and over and. over and over again until you nail it. And I was talking with a friend of mine. like [ __ ] I wouldn't want to do that.

I'm like okay. If you wouldn't want to do that. do you like life now? Cuz I love life. now. I'm having a great time. So if. someone said to me that I have to do. this all over again. why would that be so bad? Why am I. scared of that? But everybody's scared. of that. Everybody's scared of starting. from scratch again being a baby again. But remember when you were a white belt? Sure. It was [ __ ] awesome. Not. really. Well no I. I'm not talking about just getting. smashed and choked. I'm talking about. looking forward to learning. Sure.

And and maybe I should have said blue. belt. But it's it's like I got smashed a. lot as a blue belt too. I I like looking forward to this. big journey. You know what I mean? Like. when I when I first started doing kung. fu when I was like 19 or 20 I didn't. know and we didn't have to get choked so. it was just fun you know. And I was like. oh I don't know anything about this but. I have so much to learn it's going to be. so cool. And then after years and years. I'm kind of jaded I've done it so. [ __ ] long I don't think I really even. appreciate it anymore. I know what. you're saying. Yeah there's there's a.

thing that you can get jaded by a thing. and new things are all very exciting. That's why it's really important for. people to just for you the health of. your mind to try new things or to try. things where you're not that good at to. try to keep getting better cuz it's like. this thing that you have to do to. practice and learn. It's very it. enriches the way you think about. everything. It it's so. valuable to be able to do that and to be. able to to realize you're doing that and. you're capable of learning new things. and that really is what makes you live.

as dude. And that that is why. people get stagnant cuz it's like when. you were a kid, you were always trying. to learn something new. You weren't. like, "Oh [ __ ] I'm jaded. I just man, I. don't know what I'm going to do.". You were you were trying to learn. You. were constantly. And so if you continue. to do that. learn and play and and just accept and. have fun. you don't have to get old. You don't. have to get stale. You don't have to get. bored. You can [ __ ] enjoy this life.

You can. Yeah, you certainly can if you. find things that that are exciting. That's the the the saddest thing I think. is someone who doesn't have a thing. Someone who doesn't have a thing that. excites them. Someone that doesn't. doesn't engage with something that. stimulates them. I think you need it as. a human organism. The human organism. needs little puzzles and stuff to do. Makes it exciting for it. If you don't do that, like you're going. to feel shitty. Yeah, you you do. You get bored. I mean, God the the best most happy times in.

your life are when you have all these. exciting projects. You don't know if. it's even going to work. But like holy. [ __ ] I'm going to try. I'm going to get. excited about this and [ __ ] go after. it. Hey, let me ask you this about your. work cuz I I was wanted to ask you this. question. When you're painting Crazy. Horse. is there any part of you that doesn't. want to do that cuz it's like Crazy. Horse did not want to be photographed? So you have to paint what you imagine. Crazy Horse would be He's It's kind of. crazy that that dude got so you know, no.

pun intended, got so famous and managed. to avoid having his picture taken. I. think he knew they were mugshots. You think that's what it was? I think. when I when I look back at all those the. the photographs, I think they were. [ __ ] He wasn't He was a smart dude. He didn't want his picture out there so. he couldn't be identified cuz they were. they were trying to kill him. They. definitely. I think like, you know, I definitely do. a lot of spiritual uh.

work. I do spiritual work. But no, like spiritual introspection. and you know, I like I have friends from. the Oglala tribe who are like related to. him that I talk to and. learn stories from the Lakota, the. Oglala themselves. So I try to have a deep insight for it. Do a lot of research what he really. would have looked like and also just. think. is this is this the right thing to do?

Do I have permission to do this? And if. that kind of comes through and the. Lakota themselves, they don't get a hold. of me and I have a problem and I talk to. them about it, then it's okay. It's not from an actual photograph. Of course. It's it's just. Right, from your mind. Yeah. Well, not even that. I try to like. I think about. uh Black Elk's description of him and. just try to put together the facial. features in my mind. How did they deal. with that um sculpture? That giant. sculpture of Crazy Horse? The one that's.

hasn't been finished yet? I don't know, but I don't really. I like the idea of what they're doing. but I don't it doesn't look that much to. me like how I imagine him looking. It's. weird. You know, how do you how do you do a. giant sculpture of a guy and say it's. this guy? Like you don't even know what. that guy looked like. I know. How do you do that? But I think I think. they're doing that to kind of just pay. tribute to him. Seems like a weird thing to do though. Yeah. You know Well, cuz I from. I don't think I don't know. I don't want.

to talk [ __ ] on. one family that's doing this, right? Yeah. And I don't want to talk [ __ ] on. this dude's project. Where is that image. of him scroll up where you did where the. the the above that? Right there. Right. there. Click on that. What is that? That's a bronze statue or something. That's supposed to be Crazy Horse? I don't know. These are just people's. random pictures on Google. Yeah. But he didn't he like cut pieces. off of his body like before he went to. war, cut like a hundred pieces off of. his skin? That's Sitting Bull. Sitting.

Bull did that? Didn't Crazy Horse do. that as well? No. Uh Crazy Horse didn't. participate in a lot of like the Sun. Dance where you pierce yourself. I mean he cut like pieces of his skin. off. Like marked his skin. No, he that. was Sitting Bull. See if there's. a story about Crazy Horse before we go. to battle cutting pieces of his skin off. cuz I thought I thought they said that. Crazy Horse had did it as well. That he had like. like cut little pieces of himself off of. his arms. They had little scars all over. his arms. I I I hadn't heard that, but I.

heard um Sitting Bull before the Battle. of Little Big Horn. before the Battle of Little Big Horn, Sitting Bull cut like a hundred pieces. off his shoulders and his back. Maybe that's what I'm remembering. And. all that to get a. vision of what the battle was going to. be like and then he stared into the sun. and he saw all these soldiers falling. into the camp. Wow. And so that's where. cuz Sitting Bull was kind of like the. the general. He was a little older at.

the time of the battle and he had a bad. wound on his leg, but he was a. visionary, really respected. medicine man, leader and Crazy Horse was. the actual fighter. So he'd go and kind. of lead the troops and do the actual. fighting. Did you find anything about. Crazy Horse cutting pieces of his skin. off? So maybe I'm [ __ ] it up. But the. the thing that gets me is that. they had these methods. I mean, these. are people that are living in a time. where you had to be pragmatic. You. couldn't you couldn't pretend that you.

could see things if you did a certain. thing. Like this you were trying to. achieve a vision. So they had probably. done it before and they had methods to. do it. And a lot of their methods involved. pain. You know, like the thing where they. would pierce their nipples and suspend. them. Yeah, Sun Dance. Crazy [ __ ] man. Yeah. That they did these things. in a time where you know, you're living. a subsistence lifestyle. You don't have. a lot of time. for [ __ ] around for nonsense. And and.

yet they found value in like. self-torture. Yeah. Well, it's I mean, it kind of Do you. have any paintings of the Sun Dance? No, I was I was working on a painting of. a Sun Dancer. that has the white sage. They would put. white sage around their head like this. kind of like a halo and then a wear. eagle bone whistle here. That's what it looks like. they paint themselves white with the. spots there. And you're you're suspended. Yeah. Hanging by your nipples. And you have to. not eat for four days, not drink water.

and everybody around the village like. gets to tease you and throw little. spear. twigs at your legs and [ __ ] and just. like it's It's four days. It's an. endurance ritual. And eventually it rips. out of your chest. Yep. It once it rips. out and like dude, friends of mine from. South Dakota, they still have those. those scars like this. Bro. Yeah. Do you ever see Man Called Horse? I [ __ ] yeah, dude. I own that. I got. that on DVD. That was uh what was that.

gentleman's name? Uh Richard Harris. That's right. Yeah. He he goes through that ritual. Yeah. There's always that story though about. That's why people get angry. There's a. story about the white guy who goes and. kicks ass with the Indians. Everyone's. like, "Shut the [ __ ] up.". Yeah, cuz it like doesn't give the. Indians enough credit in a way. Right. That one you can see has a little bit of. the white savior thing to it. Sure. But. it's not it's not like they're not. giving you something. They're That's. what I think is that the native culture.

has taught me. so much. That's why I paint it. That's. why I got into that as a kid because it. was. an alternative to mind prison of the. system of the schools. I could see in. the the people's eyes that they were. free, that they were real, that they. were powerful individuals and I wanted. to follow that. I didn't want to listen. to like my second grade teacher who was. you know, nothing I ever want to be. like. Right. So I those books.

and I still have those books, you know? That's what inspired me to do this and. that's what keeps me going and sharing. it with the world because I want to say. this is a valuable amazing culture that. that we blindly. destroyed and committed a genocide on. There were millions of people over here. and the whites came over and were just. so [ __ ] dumb that they just they. wasted a lot of good knowledge, but. there's still pieces of it alive and. maybe we could do what we can.

to pay that back, learn from it. And my. yeah, my fear is that if it wasn't for. the ability to use media in the 20th and. 21st century, we might have lost the. true story forever. Yeah. You know, you have a Imagine if we. did you know, because the world wasn't. much different in terms of our. technological capabilities from like. 1500 to 1700. Right. Right, but from. 1800. to. the year 2000, it's a giant [ __ ]. difference. And that's when people.

started going, "Hey, what what [ __ ]. happened? We should write books like. real books. We should [ __ ] really. research this." It's a perspective, yeah. I remember the first time I read Empire. of the Summer Moon which is about this. place right here right where we're at. I. was like, "Jesus, like how could we how. how did I not know this? How did how is. this not taught in school? Like what. happened?". Because it's a fascinating story. I. know. And you do really really have to. wonder that. Why is that left out when. it's one of our best stories?

Like I was uh. talking to some of these guys out here. earlier about, you know, why is. Quanah's story just not as popular as. like Custer and Crazy Horse and that. Right. Quanah Parker. Yeah, and I think it's it's because it's. more complex. Mhm. It's not as easy as. like the one guy from the one culture. the one battle Custer Crazy Horse fight. Done. It's more of like it's all over. There's. Jack Hayes. There's you know Quanah.

Parker. There's the formation of the. Texas Rangers. There's a technology of. the Colt. another example of Cynthia Ann Parker. Another example of someone who was. kidnapped at a young age became a. Comanche and then they rescued her and. she's like I don't want to be rescued. Yeah. I want to go back. trying to escape. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh what a time man. And so sad how she uh. like how she died thinking that Quanah. was dead and he wasn't. Yeah. And just how much he like wanted to. honor her memory and how much you know.

he loved his mom and he like what a good. dude he was like just such a badass. warrior and then he's also a diplomat. and took care of everyone and built that. star house. You know? Also kind of crazy that he killed a. shitload of white people and still. managed to like meet the president hang. out with everybody. People that like forgave [ __ ] back then. like yeah let's let that go. That's the time we live in. Everybody was murdering everybody back. then. That's what was really wild. It's. like the just human life back then was.

worth so much less. People were so much. more savage. Dude. the the story of just Texas and the. [ __ ] Comanches. is is so wild and it's so unappreciated. and I I like I really think that with. with our country and our culture we we. really do have a cool history that was. so that's so unique where. you know what I mean? Nothing like that. really ever happened and like to your. point we we had a way to keep records of. it. But there's dude there's all these rad.

stories about native history like. there's this dude uh William Weatherby. If you can look up the story of William. Weatherby the Creek warrior. uh Red Eagle he he led this big. rebellion of the Creek Indians and they. the government hired Andrew Jackson. who was later president I think to go. fight him. He's this big Civil War. general and these Creeks would build. these big fortifications and try to. fight off the. the army and they blow it apart with. cannons and just slaughtered like.

you know hundreds of Creeks fought this. big protracted war. with him like in Alabama. Nobody even. knows about the [ __ ] Creek War or who. William Weatherby is but when you hear. his story dude he's like William Wallace. of America. You wouldn't believe this. [ __ ] okay? His whole village is. getting wiped out and they're he's a. leader and they're like where's William. I was going to say Wallace where's. William Weatherby? Weatherford? Is it is it Weatherford? I couldn't find a Weatherby but I got a. Weatherford. it wrong. Weatherby's a rifle. Yeah okay. Weatherford. So anyway he's this Creek.

warrior. and he's like the leader and he's he's. getting tracked down and they're they're. trying to find him and they're they're. like basically it's kind of like the. Braveheart how they're like. he have an. American name? Uh I mean back then they were. interacting a lot with the English and. it wasn't uncommon for a native to have. a. white name. I think he was half white. half Indian too. Mhm. But he was such a badass dude so. they're. William Weatherford. They're basically. like saying if you don't if Red Eagle.

that's his Indian name doesn't come in. we're going to just really devastate. these people. We're going to you know. all your people are going to be having a. bad time. So they were like basically. going to hurt his tribe if he doesn't. surrender okay? And so he's riding in to surrender and. he sees a deer [ __ ] shoots it picks. it up guts it throws it over his saddle. and keeps riding in to go surrender. right? And he gets there to Andrew. Jackson. and he's like if I had an army. I'd fight you to the death.

But you've killed all my warriors and I. only have women and children. And I'm not going to let them suffer. so you can chase me so here I am [ __ ]. kill me if you want to. Do whatever. What did they do to him? Well Andrew. Jackson actually said this dude's so. brave. let's have a drink. They went in the. tent drank some whiskey. And as they're in the tent everybody's. chanting all the soldiers are chanting. See there he is. Wow. Kill him. Kill.

him. Kill him. That's the soldiers' big. chance all around from the army. Kill. him kill him kill him. Jackson walks. out. Everyone's quiet. He says let me tell you Red Eagle is the. bravest [ __ ] of all of y'all and. if anybody touches a hair on his head. you're going to answer to me. Don't [ __ ]. with Red Eagle. And let him go. Imagine being a fly on the wall during. that meeting. Yeah. See that guy coming and sit down. Yeah. But just the bravest if you read the.

story and he he gives this incredible. speech. Like I didn't really do it. justice. But he's just very eloquent and. he's you know says this [ __ ] and he's. like do what you want with me. Don't [ __ ] with my people. I don't. The history of Native Americans is. there's so many people don't know what. happened. So many people don't know that. Native Americans went to Paris Yeah. met. with whoever the hell was in charge back. then. Yeah. Crazy [ __ ] dude the the. actual like truth is stranger than. fiction you know? Cuz we we like the.

people writing [ __ ] movies are going. to go. I don't want to try that [ __ ] hard. cowboy Indian. Right. can't put in the can whatever. they say. if someone's going to do like a real. realistic movie about the Comanche. And. the Texas Rangers. The dude the. Yellowstone dude doing the Empire of the. Summer Moon? That's right. Is he doing. that? Is that official? I think so. Ooh that's going to be wild. He'll do it. right. Taylor Sheridan knows what the. [ __ ] he's doing. He'll do it right. If. anybody should be entrusted with that.

did you see 1883? Amazing right? Amazing. I mean. So good and how the like the Lakotas how. they put the. the feces on the arrows to poison them. Yellowstone Taylor Sheridan lands Empire. of the Summer Moon will write and direct. epic Comanche leader Quanah in the rise. and fall of Old West fierce his tribe. January 18th 2024. [ __ ] yeah. He's going to nail it. What's that going to be like? to be incredible. I hope that the. Westerns come back as a genre cuz I.

really think we should take pride in our. history more. You know what I mean? I. think it would bond us more as just like. we're Americans or our. uh like ancestors they [ __ ] went. across the sea they went across the the. continent they [ __ ] with the Comanches. like they were brave they were crazy. That's who our ancestors are. Yeah. They. should be honored dude. We should be. thinking about them going we're. Americans. We're badass. We won the. [ __ ] World War II. We the you know. Someone's had a couple of Lone Stars.

looking at you. God dammit we're [ __ ] Americans. You know how we [ __ ] did it bro? Like. that's this the history dude. fascinating history. It's certainly a. fascinating history and it's it's. riddled with horror stories. Horror stories and amazing. accomplishments and brave people and all. of it mixing together. Yeah. Crazy. stuff. Yeah. Listen brother no one captures it. better. No one captures the Native. American imagery and just the the. feeling of it better than you. Your. stuff's awesome man and it's been dope.

getting to become friends with you. Yeah. same here dude. I can't thank you. enough. Being here is such an honor. You. know helping me get my art out there to. the world. Just can't thank you enough bro. Oh I'm more than happy more than happy. that people get to see your [ __ ] It's. awesome. Well I'm I'm going to keep. trying to put good stuff out there and. You will I'm sure. you know I have 100% faith in you. Everything you do is dope. I appreciate. it a lot. What's up Jamie? Oh I thought you said something. Oh. listen man thanks for coming appreciate.

it. Tell everybody how they can see your. stuff find it online. I'll uh you can. just look me up online Greg Overton Fine. Art. Instagram Greg Overton Fine Art. I'll be. in Santa Fe during Indian Market uh. mid-August. and I'll I'll be at the [ __ ] Jackson. Hole Art Auction. There it is. One man. show Jackson Hole Art Auction in. September. and that's the [ __ ] top of the top so. There it is. I'll see you [ __ ] there. Appreciate you very much man. Thanks for.

coming. Yeah man. Bye everybody.