Joe Rogan Experience #2148 - Gad Saad

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day how you doing is it what's going on. man good to see you 10th episode crazy. unbelievable what are the odds short of. your regular crew am I in the yeah. you're in the there's very few people. that have had 10 episodes It's a small. handful for sure I mean that I should.

put that as the top thing on my CV all. the other stuff is [ __ ] 10 time on. Joe Rogan dro the mic this is how out of. the corporate world I am I don't even. know what a CV is I don't know what it. stands for I know people say it I know. what it means but I don't know what it. stands for want me tell you what an. academic CV looks like sure what just. what does it stand for what C uh. curriculum v ah okay uh you basically in. Academia you'll start with your. education M all your degrees all of your. positions that you've held I was. assistant professor here from here then.

than all of your Journal Publications. all of your books all of your conference. art you know and so on right so it can. end up being a pretty beefy CV I think. mine is about 47 pages long oh my. goodness look at you you accomplished. speaking of and and managed to stay. logical how did you do that oh you got a. new book dropping up dropping on May. 14th on happiness sad truth 2 A's about. happiness eight secrets for leading a. good life enjoy it how how have I been.

so productive how have you managed to I. mean people have gotten annoyed at you. but you've you've somehow or another. avoided like a full scale cancellation. well with your positions it's kind of. amazing it really it truly is it's I'm. kind of like the Vel is it velcro Dawn. the Teflon Teflon Dawn velcro. opposite right right uh I'm nothing. sticks they've tried to cancel me in all. sorts of ways but that speaks by the way. to one of the powerful reasons why.

tenure despite the fact that a lot of. people despise the concept of tenure oh. it's just a bunch of lazy academics who. are going to be Deadwood for the next 30. Years but if I didn't have the. protection of tenure I'd be gone long. ago now that doesn't mean that I still. haven't suffered many consequences right. so I haven't gotten other jobs that I. would have otherwise gotten because of. how irreverent I am you know the death. threats so now after October 7th it.

almost became impossible for me to go on. campus Because first of all you know I'm. high-profile my university has a. particular demographic reality and so. there are consequences to speaking out. but so you you can't go on campus. literally I mean I have gone but during. the the points when there were a lot of. uh protests outside you know the campus. and so on or on campus Because the our. campus is an urban campus so it's hard. to say where where the school begins and.

where the the city is uh you know you. have death to Jews and the free free. Palestine in and from The River To The. Sea and there's 800 of them screaming. and you're going to come in many of them. know who you are they know that I'm not. very supportive of their positions and. so it's going to be you know a bit. challenging so on a few cases i' I did. it via Zoom other times I had to have. security with me so I would I'd have to. check into security and they'd have to.

walk with me to to class and so on. that's not a good thing I'll I'll tell. you another quick story if I may about. what happened after October 7th so I'll. first talk about what happened in. Lebanon so the day that we escaped from. Lebanon for those of your viewers who. don't know about us we're Lebanese Jews. we were there until the start of the. Civil War we were there in the first. year of the Civil War and then we had to. leave because it became impossible to be. Jewish in Lebanon when we left that day.

from it was from Beirut to Copenhagen. Copenhagen to Montreal as we cleared the. airspace of Lebanon the captain I I. discussed this in chapter one of my. previous book The parasitic mind uh he. said okay we're now out of Lebanese. airspace and so my I said my wife my. mother pulls out a pendulant with the. Star of David puts it around me my my. neck and says now you can wear this be. proud and not hide your identity now. that's in the past but now I'm going to.

link it to the current. reality about 3 weeks after October 7th. my wife and son came to pick me up from. a cafe where I was working on my laptop. my my wife had picked up my son who was. playing a soccer match in the East End. of the city and so as I got into the car. he says daddy if you had come to where I. was playing soccer today and you were. wearing a star of David you'd be dead so. 1975 a star of David is put around me. and now I can wear it proud 45 years.

later I better not wear a star of David. in Montreal Canada that doesn't B too. well at a kids soccer game yeah because. the demographic reality in that. neighborhood is such that the Star of. David would be viewed as provocative. incitement what what's crazy to me is. regardless of how you feel about how the. Israeli military and the Army is. pursuing the war in Gaza regardless of. that the. blatant just out in the open anti. semitism that we see today is like.

nothing I've ever seen before like like. roaches coming out of the woodwork like. what like you see it all over social. media and it's like this if this was. September and not October like if this. is just you would be you would be. shunned everybody would be like this is. horrible how the [ __ ] could you say this. how you you're openly anti-semitic. you're open blaming the Jews for all the.

world's problem this is crazy this is. Nazi [ __ ] and yet you're seeing it. everywhere now when those teachers were. in front of Congress one of those. principles of those universities were in. front of Congress and they were saying. that it's not harassment to say death to. the Jews unless it's actionable yeah. which is the. craziest mental verbal gymnastics I have. ever heard anyone say that's in that. position the position of being the head.

of Harvard it was so crazy to watch it's. so crazy to see it's almost like we live. in an alternative timeline like we. entered into a new dimension like in our. sleep we woke up but we're in a new. place you know nothing should surprise. me given the history that I have growing. up in the Middle East but I was taken. aback after October 7th at the jew. hatred that I was exposed to now my. positions are really not inflammatory so. for example I'll say things like uh you.

know I'm I'm worried about my I have a. lot of extended family in Israel right. so after the October 7th happened for me. to just kind of call around to make sure. that none of my cousins and their. children and aunts and so no one was. harmed will take a while well that. itself the fact that I cared about my. family was incitement was I'm a Zionist. I'm a baby killer right I am personally. responsible for the IDF killing any. innocent and children but it's not just.

that it's coming at you from all. directions so in the past you could say. Okay Islamic sources are going to send. you Jew hatred and I'm used to that you. could say the Neo-Nazi altright types. you know Jews will not replace us. they're coming after me you've got of. course the academic Progressive left. types who are also anti-zionists which. is just cold sweet word for anti-jewish. and so everywhere you turn there is Jew. hatred and it's so normalized now of. course in part it is emboldened by the.

fact that a lot of them are Anonymous. they don't put their real names so they. can take the Liberty to be this. orgiastic you know Jew hater but it just. it it it's so disenchanting to see that. that guy could be my Gardener he could. be my surgeon he could be my dentist I. don't know who he is but there are. millions of those folks who hold those. beliefs it's unbelievable I think a lot. of them are fake as well I think a lot. of them are Russian and Chinese trolls I. think there's a disturb in amount of.

them that's responsible for uh taking. this kind of discourse and and pushing. it to a much higher level and and making. it more ubiquitous I I really really. believe that and there's a lot of data. to support that and I think that's part. of what's going on with social media. it's definitely a big part of what's. going on with Twitter and Tik Tok and a. lot of these things where you see these. very inflammatory messages that seem to. be pushed they're they're they're. they're pushed through and promoted and.

like to the fact that you get them all. the time they they they show up in your. feed all the time even if you're not. subscrib to these even if you're not. following these people you'll find this. disturbing content will show up in your. feed and I really firmly believe that. we're being manipulated I really do and. I think there's a lot of these young. kids that are on these campuses that are. very malleable they're very easily. influenced and they don't need they. don't I mean so many I'm sure you've.

seen Constantine kissen from. trigonometry he's done these interviews. with these people these protests and so. many of them are completely ignorant. they have no idea what they're just. doing it because they think they're a. good person they're putting up their. flag of virtue by saying free Palestine. from The River To The Sea and they don't. even know what that means like what do. you do you know what you're saying. you're saying you're saying wipe out. Israel is that what you're saying not. only that in a lot of cases they're. supporting regimes or ideologies that. would be per perfectly antithetical to. their main identity so.

for Palestine chickens for Kentucky. Fried Chicken or I like to use geese for. f because I'm from Montreal uh I mean. imagine if you present yourself to the. world with your queer identity which is. great good for you and now you decide. okay let me see should I be supporting. Tel Aviv which is one of the most queer. friendly places I mean short of Montreal. New York San Francisco T Aviv is right. up there so you would think that if my. key identity my def definition identity. is my queerness that I'm certainly.

putting all my chips with Tel Aviv no. it's with queers for Palestine so that's. exactly what parasitic thinking is right. yeah and I think I really do think. that's supported by other countries I. think they they realize how vulnerable. and idiotic a lot of Americans are and. they're just pushing that and to whether. you realize it or not social media even. if they're saying something ridiculous. it's very influential and they can just. move the boundaries a little bit by.

having the most extreme content the most. ridiculous things be so common then less. extreme content that would ordinarily be. considered ridiculous now becomes. accepted as normalized yeah yeah which. is what you're seeing yeah exactly uh. can I point I mean you alluded to it. earlier about you know what the IDF. might be doing can I just mention a few. things about that sure and I'm hardly. the spokesperson of the IDF but just. it's an idea that been toying with and.

I'll pitch it here for the first time so. you know this notion of equality of. opportunities versus equality of. outcomes typically we we we link it to. all of the woke stuff right so equality. of opportunities is great equality of. outcomes is a is a cancer to to human. dignity okay let's now apply that. concept equality of outcomes to War. casualties so I think this is what. happens when people say oh but the IDF. is being grotesque because the currency. that then matters becomes how many dead.

on each side equality of outcome but let. me change it to a different moral. currency okay let's talk about intent so. for example in in this in the uh justice. system you could have a person who is. found guilty of involuntarily vehicle. vehicular homicide and he kills four. people okay so four are dead so that's. equality of outcome forward died versus. someone who took out a hit on his entire. family his his brother sister and.

parents so that he can g w win the. insurance money but it's an undercover. operation the cops catch you even though. in that case there were zero killed. correct that person will get a higher. sentence because we understand in the. law that intent matters so now I think. you know where I'm going with the. analogy so in the Palestinian IDF. conflict when say Hamas launches 6,000. Rockets every single one of which is. intercepted by by the Iron Dome had they.

not had the Iron Dome then the the. outcome could have been that 50,000. would have been killed right in an Ideal. World from hamas's perspective our. intent would be to eradicate every last. je they have it in their Charter so yes. it is true that if we just count the. number of people who were killed on. October 7th versus the number who were. killed in the retaliation if that's the. only calculus that matters then oh yes. the IDF has gone way overboard but once. you change it to an existential intent.

issue then maybe it's not such a as bad. of an outcome as as you think. notwithstanding that a single innocent. dead is a tragedy that's you could say. it that way but the problem with that is. the Iron Dome does exist and hamas's. Military capabilities are far below. Israel's it it would be like if uh some. small person tried to punch me and I. moved out of the way and then beat them.

to death and I said no I had to defend. myself I beat them to death but I didn't. have to beat them to death they're this. small person if even if they hit me it. wouldn't really hurt me right it's not. there you know what I'm saying like. defensively I'm not worried about a real. small person that doesn't know how to. fight who throws a punch at me so what. would what would be in your moral. calculus the ideal outcome that should. have happened as a retaliation to. October 7th that's a very good question. obviously I'm not a military analyst uh.

if I. was you know you you do have to take in. consideration the tunnels you do have to. take into consideration the. infrastructure the question is did they. just knowingly bomb places where there. was going to be hundreds and hundreds of. innocent civilians knowing that there's. going to be a few Hamas yeah and that's. what scares people what scares people is. that someone is willing to kill women. and children just to get at bad guys and. they just say that's just part of the. game that that that seems horrific in.

the. 2024 understanding of human life and. morality and just the horrors of war. that you know they're blowing up mosques. they're blowing up Schools they're. blowing up apartment buildings. everything anything where they think. Hamas is so again let me preface and and. I shouldn't have to say this that a. single person killed that's innocent is. a tragedy of course but compare that. reality to almost any other war that you. have in working memory why is there a. unique unbelievably high threshold of.

morality that is placed on the Israeli. Nation right now you probably already. know this the IDF does go through a lot. of painstaking effort to try to minimize. that right they drop leaflets in Arabic. they even sometimes call people in. Arabic and say don't go in this area. they hold so of course they've killed. many many innocent people but they're. placed between a rock and a heart place. what what what can you do right the.

other side knows exactly that if they do. exactly how what they're doing uh either. you don't retaliate and we win or you. retaliate very harshly as they have and. then you still win right today the. propaganda War has been completely won. by Hamas right there's a complete. genocide in the informational war. against the IDF right one other point. and then I'll see the floor back to you. this the term. genocide Jac DEA was a very famous uh. postmodernist who developed the field of.

deconstructionism language creates. reality right he was one of the guys who. allowed the the ecosystem of Up Is Down. men could be women left is Right slavery. is freedom right it's that postmodernist. game that allows these kind of insane. ideas to flourish well when you misuse. words like everything is a genocide. that's that does that does no one. service there is no genocide there is a. a killing of a lot of people again every.

single one killed is a tragedy but if. Israel wanted to commit a genocide by. the end of my appearing on this 10th. time on this show there wouldn't be a. single Palestinian left so if they were. genocidal in their intent then they. really are shitty genocidal Maniacs. because first of all uh the population. as you know of uh the Palestinian. territories has gone up uh fivefolds. right so that's really suaki genocide.

and they've killed depending on the. count right but that's all previous to. this this military action that's going. on now what are the numbers the you know. of right now it's hard to say you know I. mean Israel has one statistic and then. there's other statistics by human rights. organizations that it estimate at least. 12,000 missing in the rubble that are. probably dead and 30,000 dead now at the. the number of those 30,000 what. percentage is Hamas I'm not sure so I've. heard that the the the most favorable.

estimates to to the IDF are about 1:1. ratio the less estimate it's about 1: 1.5 okay one to up to one to two so if. they so if they killed 30,000 people. 15,000 are Hamas is that what you're. saying that would be best case scenario. one to one would be 15,000 to 15,000 and. then you can take it from there right. okay okay so or one to one one to one. half of them so half so half of 30 is 15. exactly okay right so now let's compare. it to and I don't know if others have.

made this analogy when when you dropped. the bomb the atomic bomb almost all the. people who were killed were. non-combatants right so then that ratio. would be 250,000 killed to zero I mean. unless there's a few Japanese military. guys that were in Nagasaki or Hiroshima. you dropped and again I'm not I'm not. trying to say oh but they're not as bad. as these other guys so they're okay. let's give them a ribbon and a metal but. again it's it is anti-Semitic when you. Place one group of people to a standard.

of morality that is not expected of. anybody else so for example if you. really care about Arab lives then you. certainly should care about all of the. yemenis that have been killed that are a. lot more than whatever's happened in. after October 7th you would care about. the 500,000 syrians that were killed you. would care about the war between Iran. and Iraq that led to several million. killed and on how about in Lebanese. Civil War. $150,000 died and right but that's not.

happening currently so people aren't. totally aware of that like just those. statistics that you brought up the. Lebanese deaths just just most people. are not aware of that most people that. are discussing this especially college. kids are not aware of that that's why. I'm here yeah I mean it's all ugly it's. all awful it's there's nothing that you. could say that is in any way shape or. form positive about any of this yeah the. the question is is there another way to. do it other than just bombing these are. where you know Hamas is and civilians.

there is another way but I don't think. it'll happen can I share it yeah so. Golda Mayer Who was the fourth or fifth. uh prime minister of Israel from I think. 1969 to. 1974 has two quotes which I'm going to. paraphrase I don't have the exact quote. she said if the if the Jews put down. their arms uh there'll be a genocide if. the Palestinians put down their arms. there'll be peace so just remember that. for a second second one is if the Arabs.

and she means in this case the. Palestinian Arabs if they were to uh. love their children more than they hate. ours then they'd be peace so why am I. saying these two quotes because this. battle is really not about land and and. in a sense we've already addressed this. on previous shows where I've come and. discussed about some of these Islamic. issues it is an existential affront that. the Jewish States state exists in the. Middle East so look at all other. religious minorities across.

Arabia Egypt used to be completely. Coptic Christian 100% many hundred years. ago today there are 10% cops left what. happened to those cops there used to be. tons of Christians in Syria what. happened to those syrians there used to. be tons of Christians in Lebanon there. still are some about 30 35% but it's. Lebanon used to be a majority Christian. country so the goal of Islam not. individual Muslims right again I don't. need to preface by saying they are are. millions and millions of lovely kind.

peaceful Muslims of course there is but. Islam as an ideology does it tolerate. others well we have 1,400 years of. history that either says it does or it. doesn't right we don't have to watch Tik. Tok videos and nothing could be clearer. than what the words of Muhammad were the. prophet of Islam who said that you need. to rid Arabia of Christians but. certainly the Jews so the existence of. the land of Israel is an affront to that. one more point I'll see the floor back.

to you in Islam there's a concept called. Islam and that means the house of Islam. and the house of War anything that's. under the Islamic control is good. anything that's yet to be under Islamic. control is under the house of War once a. territory is under Islamic control and. you lose it you have to get it back it. is your Dominion Forever This is why for. example under under Lucia which was at. one point controlled which is in current.

Spain which was controlled by the Moors. in Islamic con conistor uh a lot of. jihadists will say inshallah we have to. reconquer Andalucia it is our land. because once it's under so Israel. existentially cannot exist so why am I. saying all this you can't have peace if. you have the other side that truly never. wants for you to exist that's the bottom. line if you can change people's heart.

where they say look I get a piece of. land you get another piece let's build. an incredible vibrant co-s Society. together you'd have peace but if you're. taught from straight out of the womb. that the Jews is the reason for every. Calamity in the world you're not going. to have peace but don't you think that. there are Jews and there are Israelis. that treat Palestinians as if they're. less there there is that in in Texas in. terms of treating people who are. Hispanic the darkness of the human heart.

is not monopolized by one group they are. super nasty Jews and they are incredibly. lovely and kind Jews they are super nice. Muslims and Incredibly brutal Muslims so. there is no Monopoly on the darkness of. the human heart so I can see that of. course there are Jews that are not very. keen on having Palestinian neighbors but. as someone who grew up in the Two Worlds. right I'm an Arabic speaking Jew I hang. around with tons of Muslims I hang. around with tons of Jews have I ever. ever heard somebody in my Jewish Family.

say oh God I can't wait for us to. eradicate the 1.52 billion Muslims in. the world I've never heard that have I. heard incessantly all the time about. inshallah we'll get rid of the Jews. every second you just have to say hi. Ahmed the next line is godamn it we got. to get rid of the Jews now it's it's. become a lot is it really that common. where you are it it's as common as the. heat in Texas it is definitional as a. matter of fact I introduced the game I.

mean factiously but I mean it seriously. Six Degrees of Jew so that that's a play. on Six Degrees of Kev bacon exactly so I. give you a Calamity in the world and. you've got up to six causal steps to. blame the Jew so an Amazonian frog just. died in the Amazon go and so I will post. these on Twitter and people give answers. now often times they just playing along. but that's the mindset you got diabetes. Well that's because the Jews who are. controlling the pharmaceutical industry.

are not releasing the drug I'll give you. an a recent one that I faed so I put up. a uh police lineup of some guys that had. been caught in huttersfield which is a. town in England who had been grooming. and raping young British white girls and. you may or may not know this I'm not. sure if we've discussed in the past in. in Britain over the past 25 years. there's been an unbelievable industrial. scale level level grooming and raping of.

young white girls by Asian men that's a. euphemism for men of a certain religious. Heritage but you say it's they're Asian. so their names are let me summarize them. for you Muhammad Ahmed Muhammad Ahmed. Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Ahmed Ahmed. Muhammad Ahmed Ahmed Muhammad Ahmed. Muhammad okay so I put those up and I. sarcastically said I'm I don't have a. big enough brain to do the big data. analytics to understand what is the. commonality across all those gentlemen.

could anybody help me do you know how. many people wrote to me and blamed it on. the Jews not factiously so now I'm going. to ask you Joe on how I was just going. to ask you that how is it when three. muhammads rape your 12-year-old British. girl you blame it on mordi three. muhammads lead to Mori tell me how you. tell me I don't know how do they do it. who let them in it's the Jewish cabal. who control immigration policy it's.

George Soros the Jew who controls the. open Society ideology I don't think you. could really just connect George Soros. to Jewish if you look at his policies he. seems anti-western civilization I agree. but for the for the Jew hater any any. causal explanation so one individual who. just happens to be Jewish or they point. to some other one there's one I I never. I don't even know who she is I think. Barbara larner or something somebody. will correct Us in the comment section. where they show her saying something oh. you know we need to flood and she.

happens to be Jewish but for every. Jewish person who is Pro open door. policy there's a counter Jewish person. here is one who is not for open border. policies right stepen Miller who worked. in the Trump Administration is Jewish. he's probably the biggest anti-open door. immigration so but that's the mindset of. the Jew Hatter everything is blamed. there's this incredible diabolical. feature of the Jew that they're able to. at times pretend that they're victims. but really diabolical and genocidal it's.

grotesque man it's weird it's just weird. that it it came became so out in the. open and that's what makes me think that. they're being influenced I just I just. can't imagine there was that much. anti-Semitism before October 7 but why. why like the influences coming for what. purpose just to se create Havoc yes yeah. to keep people out each other's throats. I I really think so and also to. completely screw up democracy you know. like people have lost all their faith in. in voting you know they've lost all.

their faith in the money behind politics. and and the influence behind politics. and the more this stuff just gets. brought up the more chaos there is the. the more hatred there is the more divide. there is yeah even amongst the. Democratic party right which we talked. about the other day that like some large. number we think it's around 70% of. Jewish people vote Democrat but now you. know the Democratic party is full on. with this Palestine thing and you know. you see it on colge campuses this. rampant.

anti-Semitism death to the Jews being. tolerated like L literally saying that. yelling it out and by the way you can go. back so I wouldn't be able to tell you. which number which episode but you can. go back to earlier episodes that have. appeared on this glorious podcast where. you will see that I would have predicted. exactly what we're seeing now and it's. not because I'm a prophet or it's not. because I'm so intelligent it's because. you simply have to have the the power of. having the imagination to extrapolate. from a current Trend to some future and.

and outcome right so if you let in into. your country people who have genocidal. Jew hatred as an endemic feature of. their society so I'll give you since. people love stats so there was a pew pew. is a nonpartisan if anything they. probably lean towards being more woke so. Pew has these Global surveys that they. conduct so in. 2010 they conducted a survey looking at. uh your your how favorable are you.

towards the Jews across a whole bunch of. Islamic countries now if you were to if. I were to tell you that 10% of the PED. people exhibited you know Jew hatred. you'd say oh boy that's a big number 10%. is a lot okay how about if I tell you. that for most of those ped countries it. was between 95 to 99% so let me I I I. know people understand what 95 to 99. means if I pull 100 people 95 to 99 9. will Express very problematic Jew hatred.

okay so now if I let in a 100,000 such. people into the country it doesn't take. a fancy evolutionary psychologist and a. professor with a 47 page uh academic CV. to say well probably Jew hatred is going. to go up so that's what we're seeing now. we're seeing the outcome of having an. immigration policy that has let in. people that don't share our foundational. values again this doesn't mean so. someone is going to write in the comment. section what a hypocrite you're an. immigrant Gad well there are immigrants.

and there are immigrants there are tons. of Muslims who want to come in here and. leave all that baggage at the door they. want nothing to do with that they just. want to live the American Experience the. problem is we don't have the machine. that can look into your heart and mind. right so it's a statistical game so if. you're going to let in hundreds I mean. look what's happening in Germany look. what's happening in France look what's. happening in Denmark well let me ask you. this why do you think that stuff is. happening why do you think there's this. Mass immigration so that's that's a. great question so it's it it's covered.

partly in parasitic mind my earlier book. and in my next book which I call. suicidal empathy right so empathy is a. emotion that has evolved for very clear. evolutionary reasons so just like any of. our other emotions for example Envy. there there are evolutionary reasons why. we've evolved the emotion of Envy right. it can compel us forward I see that. Joe's doing well Keeping Up With the. Jones maybe it'll get me off my fat ass. so I can work harder so there are very. clear evolutionary reasons why empathy.

exists but the problem is when empathy. misfires it either becomes hyperactive. or it misfires in in directing the. empathy to the wrong person so for. example uh illegal immigrants more. important than American vets right uh. and I can show you many public policies. where you have these insane policies all. of which are due to suicidal empathy so. to answer your question I think that the. Western mind is we are kind tolerant.

compassionate empathetic people there. are people out there they Guatemalan. they're uh Honduran they yemeni who. don't have it as well as we do wouldn't. it be nice if we open up our doors so. the reflex is a noble one it's a nice. one but it exists in unicornia the real. world doesn't operate that way if you. let in people that have a huge hatred of. homosexual it are you going to have an. increase in homophobia in your country.

or a decrease right so so I think that's. the the answer the answer is misdirected. empathy across the West is it really. that simple because it seems like it's. happened so rapidly that it it seems. like a plan like a plan to create more. chaos it's it's happened the the Border. policy in America is puzzling it's very. it's baffling because it seems like. there's a plan the flood that country so. it's a it's a sort of a conspiratorial.

kind of cabal this seems like there's. something going on that's allowing it to. happen even though everyone recognizes. it's a problem and it's solvable but. they don't solve it in fact they the the. United States government is actively. tried to stop Texas from enforcing yeah. their border so what but I think that's. just so I've often tweeted that the most. dangerous weapon in in human context is.

a parasitized mind right I mean a bomb. is dangerous but it is it is the human. mind that activates that bomb right it. it's a guy with a little mustache that. said that Jews are the real problem of. the world and I need to get rid of the. world if that parasite right so. parasitic thinking I mean the one of the. reasons I think that that book did so. well is because it really explained how. all of these parasitic ideas came to a. head together and they were all spawned. on University campuses over the past 40. to 80 years so one one hypothesis is.

what you said which is there is kind of. a grand scheme that's willfully doing. this another one is that all of the. western leaders of roughly the same age. I mean within 20 years of each other are. all a product of a western education. University education that was completely. infected with these Dreadful parasitic. ideas so that when these leaders go out. there and have the power to enact. policies they enact these policies so my.

view is slightly different from yours in. that I don't think that there is a Supra. Mega you know willful uh plan it's just. that all of those Western leaders are. the product of a really shitty. University system. H right but there's obviously two. schools of thought right there's the. leftwing school of thought and the. right-wing school of thought in regards. to this the right-wing school of thought. wants to seal our borders wants to. secure the borders wants to stop illegal. immigr. the leftwing wants I mean I don't know.

what they want because they they start. talking about border policies being a. problem as well and they start talking. about the issue at the border and they. try to blame Trump for the issues at the. border which is always hilarious but. they're just so with that kind of stuff. with blaming like when Biden blames. Trump for things that he clearly did. it's just gaslighting right and it's. just it just shows you how little. respect they have for people's ability. to understand what's actually going on. well look suicidal empathy I mean we. could move Beyond The Border how about. say in the justice.

system suicidal empathy results in you. caring more about the perpetrator than. the victim that's suicidal empathy right. because that argument so here's how the. that leftist argument works if a person. especially a criminal of color commits a. crime that's probably because he grew up. as a person of color so he's already. been marginalized by the society so now. he commits a crime you're now double. whamming him by putting him in the penal. system so you need to be more caring so.

he's already got 57 previous arrests. let's give him a 58th chance so again I. don't think it comes from it comes from. really parasitized thinking right right. but that those policies are supported by. George Soros specifically and mean he. actively goes after Da that have the. most lenient and ridiculous policies in. regards to no cash bailes releasing. violent criminals like that seems like. that's done on purpose that's done with.

intent but it's done on purpose so I. think where where we may defer is you. think it's because there is a. duplicitous evil let's cause Havoc. whereas I think they actually believe. that that's the noble position right and. there should be no borders there is no. illegal human what kind of [ __ ] is. this I mean why do you have a lock on. your door right so why is it that I get. to have sex with my beautiful wife but. all these homeless guys are sexually. that's not fair that's the parasitism of.

socialism we're all equal why do you. make a lot more money than I do Joel. that's not fair I need to have as much. money as you right so I don't think I. mean I hope that it's not what what what. you what you're saying is true because. then that's even more Sinister right. that there's kind of a boohoohoo I just. think it's people who are misguided in. their misdirected nobility right I think. it's both you think it's both yeah yeah. I think it's both maybe it's both yeah I. think uh there's definitely a lot of. misguided people but I think there's. definitely a plan it just it's too.

organized the The Da system the the the. da thing with funding the far- leftist. Das and then funding someone who opposes. them who's even more ridiculous that. that seems to be a plan yeah and he's. got a pattern of that and he seems to. enjoy it enjoy spending his money in. that way I think he enjoys it I think. it's like this crazy game right what do. you think about what's going on with uh. your boyfriend Trump these days what oh. the the trials. fascinating you know I had Mike Baker on.

who was formerly a CIA operative. formerly mhm um but we were we were. talking about that that no one's ever. been charged for something like that. before no one's ever been prosecuted for. something like that before certainly no. political opponents and my my thing is. the danger the people that are on the. left that don't understand that now you. set a president you set a terrible. president and if Trump does get in. office what does it stop him from going. after all of his political enemies in. the same exact way. are we going to do this now every time.

someone's in a position of power whether. it's a governor or whether it's a. president or what have you when they. have a political opponent they they will. hire people to go after that political. opponent and Trump up a bunch Trump up. no pun intended a bunch of [ __ ]. charges and drag them through the court. so that everybody's the people that only. have a peripheral understanding what's. going on oh my God he's a criminal keep. that criminal out of the White House. like okay do you think a lot lot of. people who historically had been against.

Trump are now honest enough to see what. a sham this whole thing is and are. revising their positions or do you think. there's quite a few yes really yeah but. it takes a lot of Bravery to do that and. it depending upon your social. environment you know there's a lot of. people that just can't step outside the. lines of whatever the ideology their. neighborhood is attached to and their. Community is attached to the the reason. why I ask the question is because I I. recently appeared maybe about five six. months ago on a British psychiatrist. show a small show but I thought he was a. really interesting guy he wanted to talk.

about how you apply Evolution and. Psychiatry and so on so I was like let's. do it at towards the end of the show or. maybe it was even the last question he. he said in your 30-year career as a. behavioral scientist as a professor what. is the singular human phenomena that has. surprised you the most which I thought. was an amazing question i' had never. been asked before question yeah it's. amazing one because you know I've seen. tons of stuff and so I paused for a. moment and then I said I think it's the. inability of people to change their.

opinions once they are anchored in a. position yes and so that so it wasn't. that spirit that I was asking you the. question have some because in my. experience despite the fact that I have. a chapter in the parasitic mind on how. to seek truth and therefore I'm offering. a vaccine against falsehoods I'm. actually quite pessimistic for some. people who go la la la I don't want to. hear it because they're so anchored. there's no amount of evidence that I. could ever show you that can move you a. millimeter from your position that's.

very disheartening it's very. disheartening it's very foolish I always. try to tell people do not be married to. your ideas you you should not connect. them to you they are just ideas they are. not you and if you have supported an. idea that you find to be false and you. are afraid to admit that you were. incorrect that is far more weak than. being incorrect because now you know. that you were incorrect but your pride.

is keeping you from admitting it that is. beyond foolish and now people will. always know that you're going to do that. with what people will forgive you if you. make mistakes people will forgive you if. you're incorrect we we have all made. mistakes we are all occasionally. incorrect I'm incorrect all the time but. I make a big point of not attaching. myself to ideas I will argue them if. think they are correct but they are not. me yeah you know Patrice O'Neal had a.

great quote and he said um you could. hold your opinions but don't let your. opinions hold you right beautiful yeah. yeah you just you got to know that. you're not ideas you're a human being. and it's a challenge when you are faced. with the reality of the fact that you've. made an error especially if you've been. bold about it if you've been. condescending to people who disagree. with it if you're egotistical in your. position you connected yourself to.

righteousness and intellect and Science. and whatever other words you want to. throw around to make your opinion more. valid than the other people's opin and. then you find out you were wrong right. okay it if we are ever going to trust. you again you have to tell us why you. were wrong how you were wrong and what. that feels like and what you've learned. from this cuz if you don't if you keep. arguing that you keep doing it now we. have no respect for youou all we know. Fouch is the worst but he's worse than.

that I think he's far worse than that I. think he's deceptive I mean if the real. Anthony fouchy the book by Robert F. Kennedy Jr is not if it's not accurate. he would be sued he would be sued right. and just for forget about what happened. during Co just what we know took place. during the AIDS crisis everyone should. read that book everyone should. understand this same game plan was. played out during the AIDS crisis and. it's a game plan. where they're in cahoots with the. pharmaceutical drug companies and they.

push this thing as being the only remedy. and this is how and they make tremendous. amounts of money and that's all real. this is not tin foil hat conspiracy. wearing [ __ ] that's real but if you. supported him because you thought that. he was the science and then over time. you have realized that oh my God they. did work with Peter Datsik they did fund. through another organization gain a. function research he did lie about it it. was talked about in emails he did. contact people who were saying one thing.

and had them change their position he. did they did ridicule the lab leak. Theory when they knew it to be correct. they knew it they knew they were doing. the exact same research on the exact. same viruses in that exact same place. where it broke out they knew it right. and they lied because they wanted to. cover their ass and we let him get away. with it yeah I'm glad we're talking. about the inability to admit to a wrong. doing in science because often times. when you think about people who are.

anchored in their positions you think. about political arguments you think that. somehow you romanticize scientists as. being unbiased purveyors and pursuers of. the truth and nothing could be further. from from the truth so I'll give you. just a couple of examples historical. examples I mean of course Galileo is a. perfect example Copernicus is a great. example uh Darwin is a great example but. let's look at some other ones that. people may not be familiar with so I. think his name I don't know not sure how. you pronounce it semil Weiss he was the. gentleman who arguably has saved more.

people than anybody else in medicine do. you have any idea who it is no is he the. penicillin guy not the penell that's um. what's his name sir Fleming I think. that's Fleming he's I think he was a. Scottish um uh physician if I'm not. mistaken no this guy is the gentleman. who uh told other Physicians that they. should oh wash their hands wash their. hands so do you remember he was a I. think he was Hungarian uh physician who.

was noticing that a lot of there was. this huge mortality rate of women as. they were giving birth and so he started. running these naturally occurring. experiments where you either so the The. Physician has just worked on a cadaver. and then goes and does the obstet. obstetrics so when he said wash your. hands he he he died I think penniless. death Institute in a mental Asylum or. something right and then later people.

said oops he was right right CU they. didn't understand bacteria back they. didn't understand what yeah that guy. that's it semi wise exactly cadic. particles does that mean. kadav every case of childhood fever was. caused by resorption of cadav particles. oh my God but the blowback against this. guy from the senior Physicians I mean. this guy was destitute he died. completely. uh unvalidated I mean it was only post.

Hawk that he there you go nervous. breakdown allegedly suffered a nervous. breakdown was committed to an asylum by. his colleagues in the Asylum he was. beaten by the guards oh God it's. incredible story here here's another one. I don't remember his name the the truth. tester Jamie will get it out for us. there's a gentleman who won the Nobel. Prize I I'd say in the last 20 or 30. years for arguing that ulcers are caused. by a particular virus or I don't know if. it's a virus or a bacterium and. everybody laughed him out of town he. ended up winning the Nobel Prize and so.

I often joke with my students I say if. people laugh at your ideas and fight. them it's either for one of two reasons. it's a really shitty idea and it's it's. worthy of that division or prepare to go. to Stockholm to win the Nobel. Prize because I mean literally right. it's one or the other it's one or the. other because the Nobel Prize is nothing. but a history of people saying what a. quack this [ __ ] is no way oops here's. your Nobel Prize doctor and isn't that.

because of what we talk about because of. ego and that ego being connected to your. ideas if someone comes along with a. revolutionary idea that's contrary to. what you currently believe you take it. as an a front to yourself exactly it's. horrible so I so I give a talk this is. going back to some of my early. appearances here where we would talk a. lot more evolutionary psychology I gave. a talk at uh two talks at University of. Michigan when my first book came out it. was an academic book evolutionary basis. of consumption how do you apply. evolutionary psychology in human.

behavior in general consumer behavior in. particular I give the talk in the. psychology department on a Thursday and. everybody's like oh yeah this is. gorgeous because a lot of the. psychologists were trained in. physiological psychology biological. psychology and so on so they they were. totally appreciative of the fact that. you can't really study human behavior. without understanding the biological. signatures of human behavior okay then I. go to the business school the next day. raw School of Business I give the the. exact same talk okay I couldn't finish a. single sentence because all of the.

professors and it was usually the. professor it wasn't the doctoral. students who were because the doctoral. students are still malleable their. brains are still being formed they're. happy to listen it's the senior. Professor who has spent 30 years arguing. that human minds are born tabula Raza. empty slated and it's only socialization. that teaches the consumer to be how he. or she is that they were really offended. by my stuff so they would constantly. interrupt me berate me and I remember as. a as a side personal note my wife was in.

the audience that day she had come with. me and prior to that talk she had said. oh I I feel really sick I probably have. food poisoning we later find out found. out that she was pregnant with our first. daughter so there's both a really bad. memory and a really good memory. associated with the University of. Michigan so what was their position when. you were saying this uh biology does not. we so they were interrupting you. non-stop I I probably got through so. let's say I don't remember the the. number let's say I had 30 slides I maybe. got to slide 10 because so here's first.

question oh if if everything is due to. evolutionary pressures how do you. explain homosexuality then if everything. is due to survival Instinct how do you. explain uh suicide then by by the way. there are evolutionary explanations for. suicide and homosexuality right uh. humans are a sexually reproducing. species even though chased monks exist. right uh people do have a survival. Instinct even though some people commit. suicide uh men are taller than women. even though your Aunt Julie is taller.

than your Uncle Bob so what happens with. with people in terms of a cognitive. obstacle they take a singular datum as. proof that a statement that is true at. the population level has been violated. it it hasn't right every single WNBA. player is taller than most men that does. not invalidate the fact that men are. taller than women so all of the morons. in the in at the University of Michigan. were also coming to that kind of stuff. right uh because they didn't like the. idea to our earlier discussions that. we've had on the show a lot of people.

don't like the idea that we are. biologically determined they think that. that's a form of you're just an executor. of your genes but that's a wrong view by. the way because everything is an. interaction between your genes and the. environment right even specific genes. get turned on as a function of the. environment so the fact that you believe. that we have biological imperatives that. guide our Behavior doesn't make us blind. execute our jeans right and that's. what's important but the idea that.

everyone is born a blank slate is so. silly because there's children that. don't even grow up with their parents. that have traits that their parents have. no kidding and also happen to be have. talents that their parents have for some. strange reason and called their dog the. same name I mean there's a lot of. weirdness to it there's a lot of. weirdness to memory like genetic memory. like whoever you are it's not as simple. as you were a baby you started off clear. and blank that that's not real we learn.

things somehow or another through. some. under I guess it's explored but not. quite understood process yeah and this. process even encourages things like. racism there's there's even detrimental. ideas that are inherited through. children right that have been proven but. they don't know exactly this the. mechanism right so I cuz you mention. memory so maybe I could talk about how. you study memory from an evolutionary.

perspective please so is that where can. I ask you this before you start do you. think that's where like idop obia and. Arachnophobia and things like that come. from yeah so there is actually a lot of. research looking at the evolutionary. roots of phobia that's studied in. evolutionary Clinical Psychology and in. darwinian Psychiatry but the the ones. for me that are fascinating are idop. phobia and Arachnophobia fear of snakes. and fear of spiders because that. evolutionarily makes sense if you either. got bit and survived or you saw someone.

get bit or you you know and you see a. spider and you're like oh [ __ ] but. that's why by the way you don't go see. your clinical psychologist because you. have a fear of guns or fears of cars. even though cars and guns kill a lot. more people spiders exactly if if you go. if you study the manifestations of. clinical cases of phobia they're exactly. what you're saying because you know from. doing Fear Factor we would encounter. people that had both of those and man.

when you see it in real life it's like a. person's possessed by a demon right it's. crazy when you see like high level of. actually I I don't think it's at the. clinical level but in in the parasitic.

mind in chapter one I talk about the. maladaptive or maybe adapt of phobia. that I have of mosquitoes so if if so. early in in my marriage to my wife maybe. that was one of the best ways to test if. she'd she'd go the the whole route with. me is we were traveling to Antiga and we. had The Misfortune of some you know it's. in the Caribbeans there a lot of. mosquitoes and there a couple of. mosquitoes got in I spent with her with. with her complete patience probably till. 2:00 in the morning tracking and killing.

every single mosquito in that uh condo. because the thought of that disgusting. monstrous pig sucking the blood out of. me was just unbearable and so I I mean I. literally will turn into a little girl. if we see a mosquito in the house I. cannot go on with my I can't watch TV I. can't train the mosquito must die now in. a sense that's perfectly uh adaptive. because we know that by far if you add. up the tallies of people killed by.

mosquitoes versus all other animals. combin it's not even a minuscule there's. not another thing that kills people as. much as mosquitoes right so that's. perfectly adaptive um but do you want me. to go to the memory stuff sure so think. about say a squirrel it has evolved a. memory that allows it to remember the. spatial location in your backyard where. Ito stes caches of food so that it has. its own memory bias so that even though.

it won't detect it by smell because. let's say in Montreal it's under 4 feet. of snow it has a mental map so that it. perfectly knows where it hid everything. right now the human memory has evolved. to solve different problems so then if. you are a memory researcher studying. memory from an evolutionary perspective. you would say well what would the human. memory solve as an Adaptive problem so. let me give you one such example so if I. show you a bunch of photos of people. okay images of faces and I put a.

descriptor next to each one where I tag. that person as a social cheater or not a. cheater so what does social cheating. means lack of reciprocation so if I do. something for you then you will cheat. and recant and not I scratch your back. but you'll never scratch right right. right now that information about the. personal characteristic of that. individual is it evolutionarily. important uh datum right so now I'm.

going to show you all these people I. control for their good looks right so I. don't put all of the cheaters as being. good-looking and all the right because. then then you might remember them. because they were good-looking not. because they were cheaters right so I. put this array of faces and then later I. ask you to remember whether you'd seen. that face or not and people end up. remembering at a much higher level any. face that had been tagged as being a. social cheater do you follow Therefore.

your your perceptual system works and. Cahoots with your memory system to pay. attention more to information that is. evolutionarily relevant so that I'm more. likely to recall it and remember it so. that would be an example of how you. would apply The evolutionary lens to. study how our memory operates here. here's another example not in the case. of social dynamics but in the case of. remembering where Foods is so if you ask. people to go through a a maze of food.

and then ask them to remember where. particular foods are they're much more. likely to remember the locations of high. calorie foods so in this case in this. case it's not that I have a domain. General mechanism that just learns where. things are there is a sensorial bias to. me being more likely to remember the. location of something if it is. evolutionary relevant and there are many. many other such examples so that would. be a a wonderful demonstration of how. the evolutionary lens adds a whole layer.

of explanatory power to what typically. memory researchers have done which is. usually they study memory as just a. domain General mechanistic system. whereas The evolutionary psychologist. says no no but why did that mechanism. evolve to be of that form right and why. do animals have memories even if they're. not growing up with their parents what. how do they know to pee on fire hydrants. exactly right where are they getting. this from there's something going on. there you know how do they know to go. after certain animals like I have a.

golden retriever he loves all dogs like. little dogs like the size of uh I I just. met him yeah I mean he's much more. interested in people than he is but he's. never mean but if Carl was a squirrel. that size he would be dead so he knows. the difference between something that's. small that's a dog that's just tolerated. you know oh how you doing buddy or. something that's that big that's a. squirrel which is murder I'm going to. murder that thing okay you said murder. yeah that led me cuz I was he's a. murderer he's a squirrel murderer you. know what is a what's a group of crows.

called a murder a murderer so I'm going. to tell you now about another study and. maybe Jamie can pull it off I think it's. a guy at University of Washington maybe. I I hope I'm not wrong where he he. wanted to see whether crows remember the. face of a really nasty guy so that they. can you know if he then comes again. they'll start calling right right and. and and he he kind of took a. like an image of the face and then he. would either wear it or not and then he.

would I I don't remember what the deep. end the measure was but it was something. to the effect of then he's. studying there you there you go I mean I. love it I love having Jamie so this guy. had a mean face and he did mean things. and the crows recognized him and and so. then it starts spreading to the entire. group where they exactly know you see. this face remember it he's a [ __ ]. H that makes sense crows are insanely. smart though oh they're smarter than.

most have you seen the ones from I think. new calonia that do all the stuff with. the maybe Jamie you could pull that one. up I think that's the the smartest of. all the the that Aven species they can. take rocks and like a thousand different. things to get food out of things that I. guarantee you you and I would sit there. for 18 hours and we wouldn't crack that. mystery yeah they figured out how to use. tools to get other tools to exract food. ex ex yeah there you go there you am. it's just unbelievable they put rocks in. there to raise the water level I mean a.

little kid wouldn't even figure that out. I mean they're [ __ ] smart man look at. this look at this it's crazy well I I. love it's also their brains are so small. which really is really confusing bird. brain yeah it's really confusing like. large brains don't I mean we don't. really know how intelligent an animal is. unless we see it manipulate its. environment or communicate yeah cuz it's. possible that elephants are insanely. smart they have immense memories their.

memories are nuts like they me they they. get reunited with their calves like 20. years later and they run and embrace. each other and it's just joyous when. elephants die They Mourn They Mourn the. death they have huge brains but it's. also a huge animal but it doesn't. manipulate its environment so we don't. respect it sort of like the way the. reason why dolphins are in SeaWorld it's. cuz that's literal slavery it's slavery. of. probably a parallel or if not more. intellectual species something with a.

cerebral cortex 40% larger that are. human beings something that communicates. in a language that we can't decipher. something that has different dialects. something that operat operates in these. very tight social groups but they do. some rough sex I don't know if you've. heard well they do they're dolphins are. horrible dolphins are they they kill. their babies there's no hashtag me too. with the dolphins let me tell you it's. worse than that Dolphins when they find. a female and she has a child if he has.

not had sex with that that dolphin. female that child's not his so he'll. kill that child Lions do the same but. what they'll do is the females will have. a sex with as many dolphins as they can. so you don't know so you don't know. whose kid it is that's it so that they. don't kill their baby there you go which. is wild there you go I mean but that's. how you live when there's no doors you. know you're in the ocean no doors open. open open wild it's just why old this is. murder soup you said the manipulate the.

environment so have you heard of the bow. bird do you know what that is no so the. bower bird maybe maybe sorry I'm I keep. going b o w r so the bower bird creates. a bow which is a a a. structure that serves no purpose other. than demonstrating my artistic there you. go really so by the way you know what. I'm loving about today's show it's like. I feel like I'm back to lecturing my.

evolutionary psychology stuff good I. need a class oh so look look what he's. doing you see so let me let me explain. what's happening here unless you want to. watch it first no please explain so so. what it's one of the only species other. than humans that uses artistic ability. as a mating queue wow right so right. Picasso short little guy bald ugly he's. got a huge lineup of hot women who want. to have sex with him because he's. Picasso that's what the bower bird is. doing he's saying look at how.

architecturally Savvy I am look how. symmetric my bowerbird is not only that. by the way see how oh there you go okay. she said you're good enough let's do. this let's do this let's do this have. excellent trophies so now but you saw. all those other blue things yes okay so. if you if you traveled to Australia in. certain regions there there are signs. from the government saying if you are. women don't be careful don't wear shiny. things on your head why because these.

[ __ ] will come at you attack the. women's head steal the shiny things so. that they could use the shiny things in. their Bower to attract the ladies wow. now that's smart that's smarter than. most. men not really but I see what you're. saying but look at this setup man this. guy's got this dope pad he's got like a. bachelor pad with flowers out in front. like ladies don't you like no that's the. girl that was the girl that the girl. yeah that's the girl you usually in Avon. species the drab one is the girl and the.

flashy one is the guy right like nobody. gives a [ __ ] about female flamingos yeah. right [ __ ] out of here female flamingos. what am I going to do with that I need a. dude ex exactly strut around exactly if. you got flamingos man you're a baller. that's a move right have a flamingo in. your yard just walk around so you only. have a I'm thinking a peacock you have a. you only have a dog I'm thinking of. peacock I'm doing the whole thing like. I'm a peacock but I'm thinking of I'm.

saying Flamingo yeah I only have a dog I. have chickens too by the way oh you like. those exotic ones just like regular lay. chickens lay eggs but here's the I'm. scared to ask this they become pets you. don't eat them right or no I don't eat I. I will if somebody [ __ ] around somebody. tries to hurt somebody I'll grab those. little [ __ ] they're little dinosaurs. when when uh one of them was younger um. uh this is my old group of chickens that. I had when my my youngest daughter was a. baby they were pecking her feet and I I.

there's this one Cy chicken that we had. and uh I feel going to be a Christine no. moment no no no no no no nobody died my. wife Unfortunately they all did they all. coyotes got them and dogs long story. anyway point is I go no she's trying to. eat the baby's feet like you got to. understand this is not this is not like. she thinks that's a worm she thinks she. can get away with eating they eat each. other they [ __ ] Peck at each other. they they'll K they'll murder a mouse. have you never seen a chicken and a. mouse.

together really yeah we had a fence and. this is very unfortunate but we had a. fence that was glass and uh one of the. side effects of this glass fence was. Hawks and Hawks would be swooping down. to try to get a rat or some other rodent. or something and they bam nose dive into. this glass and we lost like three Hawks. like this is [ __ ] up you know I was. like maybe we should go back to the. other fence my wife was like [ __ ] you I. like this fence it was it was one of. those conversations where we were like.

like this seems like it's our fault that. these Hawks die right so one of them. made it one of them lived and they took. the hawk and they put it in like a big. like washing machine box and contact. this wildlife rescue thing and they said. well okay if you're going to have it cuz. we're not open until Monday you got to. feed it thing so what do you feed it so. you have to go to the the store we went. to the pet store they get these things. called pinkies and when pinkies are just.

baby mice they're baby mice that have. they're not going to live they're. they're separated from their mother you. feed them to reptiles okay it's gross. right and uh so the hawk ate most of. them but he didn't eat one so they were. like we're going to raise it I go listen. you can't just do that you can't just. like feed a bunch of these little things. to this giant Raptor and then say now. we're going to take this one that. survived and raise it first of all the. nightmares that little [ __ ] would have. but second of all it's not viable it's. not it needs it need it's not going to. live yeah I go let's just give it to the.

chickens so I brought it outside and I. put it in the chicken's cage one chicken. grabs it as fast as I've ever seen a. chicken move and then every other. chicken runs after that chicken and. tries to get it away from her is it a. defensive thing or they want to eat it. they want to eat it okay they and so she. has it in her mouth and they're trying. to steal it from her and they just tear. it apart and devour it like dinosaurs. wow like it's so crazy watching them.

kill so I'm not feeling so guilty at the. genocide of chicken that I eat it's. still [ __ ] up cuz it's the soul of the. animal is not being expressed as nature. intended the soul of the animal should. be a chicken it's not that you shouldn't. eat chickens but chickens should live as. chickens they should wander around and. pick bugs and eat worms and do all the. things that chickens love doing to have. a chicken just in a box for its entire. existence. stealing Souls you're doing [ __ ] up. that's way more [ __ ] up than just.

raising a farm if you got cows and. they're on a pasture and every day. they're just being cows and then one day. you take them in the stall and bang this. thing goes into their brain then they're. dead that is way less evil that is way. more Humane than what's going to happen. to them in the wild what are they going. to do they're going to either freeze to. death or starve to death or get torn. apart by Wolves right torn if you're. going to have cows every everywhere and. people want to reintroduce wolves. everywhere congratulations you've got.

Wild Kingdom you got Wild Kingdom. happening in your neighborhood if that's. what you want and if you don't want. people to eat cows anymore okay what are. you going to do with the cows are you. going to sterilize them are you going to. keep a certain amount are you going to. play God with cows are you going to say. the cows can't breed are you going to. give the boys cows birth control what. are you going to do how you going to do. oh you're going to introduce Predators. okay how you going to keep kids from. those Predators how you going to keep. dogs from those Predators have you. thought about this no you haven't. there's people that are they're.

reintroducing grizzly bears to. Washington as we speak we're going to. reintroduce the things that we killed. because they killed everybody we're so. smart it's bananas these people are out. of their [ __ ] minds and they're not. they don't have a real understanding of. actual nature the the the horrible thing. is this commod commodation of of nature. this taking animals and factory farming. them in these horrific conditions where. it's illegal to film it's illegal to.

they have AG gag laws because it's so so. traumatic and so horrific it would. affect the industry yeah yeah no I agree. that's what's wrong with eating meat. yeah what's be being a part of the. natural cycle of life is what made. humans human if you want the most. nutrients it comes from animal protein. there's a reason why it's so cherished. I've made not in the using the same. words but I've made roughly the same. argument when the the tofu Brigade came.

after me because I was offering some. evolutionary reasons for why you know we. have to have animal protein as part of. our diets and they were so pissed at me. because they thought it was very. hypocritical that on the one hand I. could share so many tweets and posts. demonstrating how much I love animals. and then in another photo I show some. steak or here's what my wife is cooking. and that to them was completely in. congruence and was proof of my you know. moral degeneracy and then I I actually. created two sad truth Clips where I was.

really demonstrating The evolutionary. reasons you know archaeological data. Dental data physionic data. anthropological data and they just. wouldn't have it you're a hypocrite you. can't love an animal and eat an animal. so I'm glad that you well there's a real. problem with that too and this is. something that people dismiss very. openly but I don't think we. should I think plants are alive and I. don't think they're just alive in a way. that we can feel completely fine about.

growing them in this insane monocrop. agriculture place and pouring industrial. grade fertilizer and pesticides all over. them I think they're a thing that thinks. yeah I think they're a thing that. communicates with their environment but. they just do it in a way that we don't. understand they do it through melium. they they arrange resources they. allocate resources towards plants that. need them more they have some sort of a. network of communication I was going to. say have you seen the networks of uh.

fungi have mind blowing I had Paul. stamus in the podcast a couple of times. and he's a myologist and just a. brilliant guy and he really explains it. all so well it's so mindblowing the the. relationship that the the melium have. with the nutrients and the Earth and. that it's it's Earth is not dirt it's. like a living environment it's this. environment that they've ruined through. monocrop Agriculture and that's what's. wrong with farming it's not Farming.

Farming is a perfect way to balance an. ecosystem when those people do it the. right way like those people from White. Oaks pastures or polyface Farms. regenerative agriculture people there's. like zero carbon footprint of what they. do and in fact it sequesters carbon. you're growing things it's manure and. cows and it's all working together and. the chickens are Freer ranging and it's. like it's nature just in a contained. environment but that's normal have you.

you mentioned the word soil so it made. me think about have you seen the. research on I I can't remember what the. term is but something like soil DNA the. I guess the the Pioneer is I think he's. Danish either Danish or Swedish I think. Danish and basically they they go to. these steps that are really really I me. I don't maybe not Mongolian steps but. somewhere where you expect to find a lot. of the typical fossil remains and so on. but what they now do is they just do. this excavation of soil in the same way. that uh people who study ice you know.

how they can bore and and then they can. they can date the various ice right so. they do something similar where they. they kind of harvest tons of soil and. they're then able to isolate you know. DNA of mammoths have you have you seen. some of this stuff yes I have yeah. that's mind-blowing mindblowing it's. unbelievable yeah I actually thought. about inviting that guy on my show Maybe. have them on your show yeah that sounds. fascinating to talk about it's it really. is so interesting when you just think.

about the this the complex interaction. between everything on Earth the plants. and the that we literally need plants to. create oxygen for us and they're they. consuming more. carbon like what that's one of the. craziest things about gask Khan is when. gas Khan lived they killed so many. people that places reforested and they. lowered the carbon footprint of Earth. right that's a real thing so genocide. was green yeah that was green if you. looked at there's well there's also like.

different ways um uh Dan Carlin on. Hardcore History has the most amazing. series it's called Wrath of the con I. think you have to buy it on his website. and but it's really cheap it's like a. dollar an episode or something and it's. [ __ ] amazing it's amazing and it's I. think it's a three-piece thing is it a. three-piece series on on Jen Jenison is. the correct way to say it temoin was his. real name and what what he did and like. the rise that guy spread some jeans. Jesus Louis that was busy did that guy.

get after it it I mean spread some genes. and killed some [ __ ] people killed. 10% of the population of Earth yeah was. it that much yeah okay I don't know it. was that much 10% wow yeah somewhere in. the neighborhood of 50 to 70 million. people they don't know exactly there is. a genocide bro you ain't kidding but you. earlier you said oh how everything is. connected which leads me to a concept. which I don't think I've ever discussed. my 10 shows on your on your podcast uh. this concept consilience have you heard.

that term before sure yes like being. consiliary no no it doesn't mean that at. all consilience comes from I mean it. doesn't come from him but he kind of. reintroduced it into the Lexicon do you. know who EO Wilson is I've heard the. name EO Wilson is a he just recently. passed away at the maybe age of 9 I just. read his autobiography called naturalist. amazing autobiography he was a Harvard. enologist. uh and a strong proponent of social. biology applying biology to studies.

social systems and so on and he was part. of the original culture wars where a lot. of his colleagues hated him because he. was arguing that biology affects human. behavior EO Wilson check him out he's. unbelievable well in the late 90s he. wrote a book called consilience Unity of. knowledge and and that became one of the. foundational books in how I did my. academic career which is consilience is. trying to unify desparate areas of human.

endeavor that you typically wouldn't. think should be linked together so you. could link the Natural Sciences the. social sciences and the humanities. through the consilience of evolutionary. theory because you could study. psychology using evolutionary theory of. course you could study biology using. evolutionary theory or you could study. Aesthetics which is in the humanities. using evolutionary theory so that became. a really important concept of my own. work because my brain operates as a.

synthetic machine I like to synthesize. across right so one of the reasons why I. decided early on to break out of just. being an academic because I couldn't see. myself as a stay in your lane Professor. I need to try to right so coming on Joe. Rogan is going to allow me to share. ideas and synthesize things with. millions of people rather than writing. another academic paper that if I'm lucky. will be read by 50 people and cited by. 12 and so well before you came on though.

when you came when you came on the being. on the show was not that. problematic and what's you mean. criticize being on the show because. nobody even knew what it was well that's. true once they did know what it was. people looked down and so I don't know. if I've ever shared the story before and. even if I have it's worth repeating I. discussed this in the paric mind I had. been invited to Stanford uh in 2007 to. speak at their business school a very. academic scientific talk on how to apply. evolutionary theory blah blah blah so.

the my host who's a fellow he's a. consumer psychologist invited me out to. dinner the night before and and I think. after I was going there I might I think. I was flying down to Souther at the time. you were in Southern California still. 2017 you were in sou yeah and I was. going to do your show I think so at. night he uh at during dinner he said oh. so I hear you you know you you go off on. Joe Rogan's show I said oh yeah yeah he. goes yeah well you know we don't condone.

that at Stanford very kind of hottie I. said you don't condone what he goes well. you know we don't do our research so. that it could be sexy enough for it to. appear I could talk about on Joe Rogan. sex so I said well I don't do the. research also that so I can appear on. Joe Rogan but if I can publish a paper. in an academic journal and then go on. Joe Rogan and hopefully excite people. about evolutionary psychology and. psychology decision-making isn't that. better than just having my wife and. mother read the paper and he didn't like. that he thought very whereas now I not.

that many but I'll get a lot more. professors who will write to me saying. can you get me on J well that's good you. know but that that speaks to how. patterns change right yeah well it's. just you know it's so easy to label. somebody so easy to label uh a platform. or you know like podcasting in general. that it's frivolous especially if you. live in the academic world but it's just.

an opportunity to talk about stuff and. if I'm talking to someone about. evolutionary psychology or if I'm. talking to someone about coal mining. like I just want to know what's going on. well and let me tell you something I'm. not trying to blow smoke up your ass or. you know be ingratiating or anything but. I bet if there was a currency a metric. to measure how much you've affected the. intellectual ecosystem versus your. average well-published Professor I would.

put my money on you not because you were. the creator of the knowledge but because. boy are you the biggest disseminator of. knowledge right so right well I'm just. lucky right and a big part of the luck. is that I have the fortune to talk to. these people because most people just. don't have access to people like you. like if I want to sit down with a guy. like you for three hours like if I. didn't have a podcast that would be a. tough sell like hey God can you put your. phone away and just you and me just. stare at each other for three hours and.

have a conversation but this is for for. whatever reason I probably spend more. time individually talking to people this. way than any other way because I do so. many of these things do do you think. before you started this that there were. indicators that boy you're such a good. conversationalist you know how to hold. or it came as a surprise to you that it. would be so successful oh it's 100%. surprise. yeah I just wanted to do it cuz I. thought it would be fun that was it. there's a chapter in the book Life as a.

playground oh yeah just live every. science is play right what what what's. science it's one big puzzle mhm that. you're trying to identify which variable. meaningfully relate to other variables. yeah so it's a form of puzzle making. right so uh you know so there actually. there's research that shows that if you. marry someone that scores similar to you. on the adult playfulness scale I don't. remember the right some people score.

very high on that probably you do I know. that I do if you then match up with. someone who scores very highly like you. do assortatively uh that's a very big. predictor of you having successful Union. that makes sense yeah you don't want to. be with someone who hates. jokes especially if you're professional. comic and if you're funny and they're. not funny that's probably not as fun. right that's probably boring but what if. you had to choose between the person. that you're with is also very funny or.

at least laughs at your joke you can. only have one of the two so she's either. a positive receptacle to your humor or. she goes Toto Toe with you and being as. funny which one would you prefer I take. Toe to Toe with me as funny yeah I don't. need someone I'm funny I got plenty of. people see my yeah I don't need you know. a wife yeah like my wife doesn't have to. the same taste as me even in me like I. don't care like I don't care if you like.

different like they listen to music that. I think is garbage and I'm like go ahead. your music care to share something no I. don't want to be mean um I mean just it. just they listen to great stuff too we. like a lot of they've introduced me to. Taylor Swift but my daughter's a. Swifty they play some Taylor Swifts I'm. like this was not bad but the point is. it's like you don't have to like the. same things as I like that's stupid. that's stupid you know she likes. football I don't even know the rules I. don't know what's going on it's fun to.

watch do you seriously don't know. football I barely know what's happening. wow yeah okay I barely know what's. happening and I have friends like Aaron. Rogers is my. friend I don't know what the [ __ ]. going on so I hear you're a good. something you throw the ball yeah and. he's really good at that [ __ ] he's a. smart guy he's a very interesting guy. speaking of athletes last time I came on. the show I did apparently a clip went. viral from our conversation where I was. kind of haing the cosmic justice of why. it was important for Messi to win the. World Cup remember that yes you did say.

that so listen speaking of Life as a. playground and have you know scoring. high on openness and all all the things. that I I think you do very well and I. I'd like to think that I do too about a. maybe a week or two after I appeared on. your show last year I get an email you. know dear whatever Professor sad my name. is I guess I could say his name because. I'm you're going to know my name is yor. mass I am the majority owner of inter.

Miami I'm I'm I'm a fan whatever I uh I. know that you have a deep appreciation. for Messi whenever you'd like to come to. a game you'll be my personal guest oh. [ __ ] now think about this this geeky. Professor who could have lived his life. just doing his little narrow stuff right. you know I'm good in my ecosystem a few. other professors care about my work or. go out there grab Life by the balls the. balls and and live it fully and connect.

and so on right so I call my wife over I. say I'm James. Bond I mean in what world. so in what world is it possible for you. know the Lebanese Professor an. evolutionary theory to get an email from. the majority owner so September 27th or. 28th I'm on a flight down to Miami.

they're playing in the US Open cup it. turns out that Messi was injured so he. didn't play I'm I'm supposed to meet him. I bring him copies of my book signed. even the Spanish version of the. parasitic mind because he only reads. Spanish he he ends up not being there. because he's not playing and so on I. don't I mean he's standing right next to. me but I didn't get to meet him really I. meet Zinedine zidan who was the greatest. French player of all time and World Cup. winner right there in the president's. Lodge David Beckham hang out with him. I'm chat now I'm not saying these to.

drop names oh look I know these cool. people but I'm saying if I didn't have. that open Spirit where I didn't view my. world as only being restricted to the. ecosystem of Academia if I didn't come. on Joe Rogan that opened me up to a. whole new audience all of those people. would have never heard of my work if I. only publish peer-reviewed papers rather. than publishing books which by the way. in Academia you publish trade books. that's look down upon how is that looked. down upon if you publish a book that can. be read by 300,000 people how is that. not better than publishing an academic.

paper that's read by three people but. that one is pure it's academic that. other one is vulgar and popularizer yeah. it's it's it's it's grotesque it's. stupid it is stupid and unfortunately. stupid can also be really smart really. smart people can be stupid well George. Orwell I'm paraphrasing him said it. takes intellectuals to come up with. really dumb. ideas well in this country there's a lot. of examples that you could point to that. would indicate that that would be. correct yeah right it's just you could.

be really dumb and also be smart as [ __ ]. in your discipline you know and again. it's it just boils down a lot of it is. male ego that's that's a big part of the. problem with a lot of these ideas that. people hold so sacred the the. fascinating one for me uh with you is. this reluctance to accept that there's. other factors for the development of a. human personality and that it's not a. blank slate like that seems interesting. and if I was a teacher that was teaching.

something contrary to that I would want. to know this yeah and now I know that. I've been teaching nonsense and have to. call like 50,000 students over the last. 20 years and go hey guys remember that. [ __ ] that I told you yeah Bullit turns. out I thought it was true what would you. do that's got to be horrible for them. when new information comes out that's. refutable some new scanning new thing. that shows that this thing that we had. always held to be true that you've.

taught in classes that you've won awards. for is nonsense yeah so there's there's. a great so my favorite quote and maybe. Jamie could pull it out by JBS halan JBS. haldane was an evolutionary geneticist. but was also known for having these. beautiful quotable quips and so here the. quote in question I have it in the last. chapter of uh the consuming Instinct 20. book he's talking about the four stages. that academics go through before they.

accept a theory so I'm I'm paraphrasing. now what his stages are stage one oh. this is complete rubbish [ __ ] stage. two well this may be true but largely. unimportant stage three well this is. definitely true but it's probably not. actionable stage four oh I always said. so right so what happens is you go. through these phases and if you're. dogged enough as I was then the people. who laughed at you in stage oh there you.

go this is worthless accept this is. worthless nonsense this is an. interesting but perverse point of view. this is true but quite unimportant I I. always said so perfect and I always I've. always said that that's the government's. position on covid vaccines that's right. exactly right by the way but here here's. the here's the funny personal anecdote I. am a pathological email hoarder meaning. that I never get rid of emails because I. always think what if I ever need. whatever is contained in that email.

right so I have emails from people who. let's say had taken a very negative. position in stage one your evolutionary. psychology stuff is [ __ ] I have that. email it's 2001 and I have the email. from 2019 when you say dear God we would. be honored if you would be the plenary. speaker I'm like oh but what happened to. I was a bullshitter in 2001 oh wow so.

you just have to be dogged you have to. collect the the evidence and hopefully. but here's my position as an outsider. how could you know like why would you. say it's a blank slate how could you. know and why would you ignore all this. interesting information that we now know. about the role that your parents play. because the blank State's very hopeful. right because the blank State I think it. was I can't remember if it was Watson. the behaviorist who said that you know. give me 12 children I could turn any one. of them into a doctor into a beggar into.

a lawyer meaning that everybody is. infinitely malleable now that's a. hopeful message if I'm a parent right if. I create a child you mean you're telling. me that he's got equal chance to be. Michael Jordan or or lonel Messi if only. I have the right schedule of. reinforcement of how to hug him and when. to hug him that's hopeful I don't want. to be told that there is something. innate about my child that guarantees. that he will never be the next Michael. Jordan so so I think the message the the.

blank SL message doesn't originally. start as just a quacky idea it it's a. noble idea perfectly rooted in [ __ ]. but it's a noble idea here's another. example of a noble idea France Boaz was. a actually Jewish uh Anthropologist uh. at Colombia University about 100 years. ago who is the one who developed. cultural relativism the idea that there. are no human universals so biology. doesn't matter in explaining cultural. phenomena because every culture is.

uniquely distinct now the reason why he. proposed that idea is because many nasty. folks had misused biology in. evolutionary theory and therefore by him. eradicating biology from the study of. anthropology he was hopefully doing a. noble thing but you can't kill truth in. the service of a goal right and so but. that's what so a lot of these guys it's. not to our earlier conversation they're. not conspiratorial in spreading [ __ ]. they believe that by holding those. positions they're creating the proper.

Utopia but it's rooted and. [ __ ] the the reluctance to change. one's opinion is always a very. unfortunate thing to. witness I hear you what what's the. what's can you think of one or two. things that you remember most where. you've done 180 on that you'd like to. share I don't know if I've done real. 180s or or a sizable shift you know I. used dumb ones big Bigfoot's a real dumb.

one I used to believe in Bigfoot but you. were eight or last Saturday oh like. pretty recently within the last two. decades oh and what what made yout. talking to Bigfoot. people and thinking and seeing that. they're yeah there there's something. wrong with them I unfortunately I I used. to have a joke about it here's one thing. you don't find when you go looking for. bigfoot black people you're more likely. to find Bigfoot than you are black. people looking for bigfoot it's all a. bunch of unfuckable white dudes. unfuckable white dudes out camping and.

um there's a mystery there's a thing. that they want to believe and there's. almost no evidence almost no evidence. there's some weird stuff like Footprints. with dermal ridges but it you could fake. that it could be [ __ ] does that. apply to the other class Lochness. Monster also you don't believe or well. The Lochness Monster most likely. nonsense or maybe it could be a big fish. or something like that but the the. actual photo of the lock Nest monster is. a hoax that's been proven to be a hoax. they know the guy who took it they know.

how he did it he used a cardboard cutout. or something like that or some you know. some cutout and put it in the water and. then took a photo it was [ __ ] it's. probably I mean it could be a sturgeon. it could be some large fish I think. there's a lot of theories on it but. they've done scans of the lock they've. never found anything it's certainly not. a population of them right where they. can stay alive for this long they have. to be breeding like how many what's what. are they eating like how big is this. what are you talking about the Bigfoot. thing I think was real and I think it.

was real in the human imagination and it. was real in terms of like modern human. beings encountered these things and it's. a real animal called gigantopithecus and. it really did exist in Asia and if human. beings were coming across the bearing. land bridge it's very likely that they. were there too they they all existed in. the same environment and in the same. time period and this this [ __ ] thing. is in like Native American history they. have a large number of names for this.

they don't have dragons they don't have. crazy [ __ ] that doesn't exist they have. a myth of this gigantic Hairy Ape that. lives in the woods and I think it did I. think it did probably until you know who. knows how many thousands and thousands. of years ago but the idea of one being. around. today almost no evidence almost nothing. just visual. [ __ ] blurry. [ __ ] footprints that maybe I don't. know you could fake that you could fake.

a footprint it's not a [ __ ] fake. Ferrari you know it's not like. complicated to fake a footprint you know. oh you don't understand about the amount. of weight that has to be says who says. who says you says you a guy who wants to. believe in Bigfoot so bad they want to. believe so bad it is a religion it's a. religion what do you think is a. psychological mechanism. that causes them to want to it's it's. because there is kind of a a mystery and. awe to things that are out there that we.

can't explain here's the thing if. Bigfoot was real it wouldn't be nearly. as interesting as as a killer will not. nearly as interesting if Bigfoot is just. this big stupid monkey that lives in the. woods and just shits all over himself. and [ __ ] eats campers that wouldn't. be nearly as interesting as this super. intelligent creature that lives in the. water that saves people saves people you. know before we were outside I was. talking to some of your crew and uh I. was telling them that someone had asked. me oh do you actually it was the Border.

agent as I was coming through to to. Austin he he asked why am I coming I. said oh I'm coming to do your show he. says oh do you get like a list of things. that you talk about I said oh it's. exactly not it's exactly the opposite of. that and so to that point I I wouldn't. have ever I didn't have in my bingo card. the defecation of Bigfoot in Forest yeah. like what is he doing up there you. stinky [ __ ] like come on the the idea. that no one has taken real good footage. in this day and age with the amount of. hikers and campers and people that are.

in the woods and people that are into. photography and nature photography and. trail cameras trail cameras are. everywhere they're over water holes. they're everywhere so what what's the. mechanism by which I mean you know you. you listed the the name of the animal. that you giganto exactly so you. obviously have a lot of these tidbit. information are you a voracious or how. do you get your sources of information. well I've I've read an embarrassing. amount of books on Bigfoot no but in.

general because in general a lot of. audio books you do a lot of audio okay. the best way for me to like I can do. that while I'm working out I can do that. while I'm in the sauna I could do that. when I'm in the car okay so that to me. is like that's a couple of hours of. taking in information beautiful where I. would just ordinarily just like lifting. weights but you don't you don't love the. feeling of grabbing a boat I do but I'm. also so busy that to me it's like the. best way to consume ideas it's I feel. like reading a book is 100% listening to.

an audiobook is 80 to 90% okay I don't. think it's the same thing I I I it's too. easy to gloss over I've never audio. booked a book I've only read I I don't I. haven't even read a electronic book. really I I I love you like paper I love. paper I'm a pathological book holder do. you write on paper or do you type it out. I type it out so now I type uh sometimes. I'll take little notes I'm sitting at. the cafe I have an idea for something I.

want to do so I'll write it and then. I'll but if I'm writing a book it's. always on the computer there's no. written anymore and I've noticed that my. penmanship has really gotten worse I. don't know if oh mine's dog [ __ ] yeah. exactly me too it's like chicken [ __ ] uh. but I'm a voracious reader and uh one of. the things that stresses me the most is. in in my personal library in my study. I've got you know literally hundreds and. hundreds of books and I will often walk. in there and say will I ever have time.

to read so I have probably 600 books. that I've yet to read and each of those. books has so much information that if I. were to read all those books boy I would. be an even more exciting guest on The. Joe Rogan show no no but what I mean by. that is that there's so much the more. you know the more you realize truly how. little you know yeah absolutely and so I. say oh my God here's a here's a a. biography on so I just bought a. biography on uh uh the taxonomist who. created the the system of how to label.

animal species he's a Swedish taxonomist. right now now that sounds very esoteric. and specific but I'm sure there is this. incredible information that I can glean. in that book which today I don't have. that knowledge in my brain so to all. people who are listening read there is. nothing more number one predictor of. your child's success is how many books. were in the home of the parents really. okay I mean I I don't know if it's. number one but certainly a highly. predictive one so reading Elon Musk you.

probably know this when he came to I. think from South Africa to Canada he. came with a a a lugage of books he's a. voracious reader right now that doesn't. mean that he became who he became only. because he read but it's very hard to. have an interesting person who's not. very knowledgeable about many things and. that's right one of the things that's. been very difficult with my children is. I see them doing the scrolling and it. drives me crazy because I haven't been.

able to instill that reflex of just. saying there is nothing I'd rather do. right now than go sit somewhere and. immerse myself in a book they don't have. that reflex yeah that is a problem with. electronics because it does hijack your. reward system it hijacks your attention. span it hijacks your. brain and it's hard because kids are. growing up in this environment it's a. different environment and I I have two. ways of looking at it I have one way of. looking at it where you have to kind of. set an example and I'm not the best at.

that I like to look at my phone like. just to put your phone away and and put. work away don't be responding to emails. just just put it away and. focus um I think we all should do that. but we are all also living in this new. world and that is not going to change. and I think that's the same as when. people are like don't get in the car. let's walk like okay that's good for a. little while but now guess what Martha. everyone has cars let's let's get a. [ __ ] car I'm not walking in New York.

what are you talking about not getting. in this stupid wagon getting pulled by a. horse this is dumb they have cars now. right I think we're going to get to a. point where. avoiding some interaction with other. human. beings it's going to be constant and. it's going to be more invasive than it. is now these are steps that are are. species is taking in its integration. with technology that seem to be. unstoppable yeah and um to isolate.

yourself and move to the woods in a. cabin that's one way to do it but no but. the the the hygiene or the discipline of. saying I'm now focused I'm not I mean I. know the research findings on this and. yet I always find myself going into my. phone and then stopping myself so in. right you always stop yourself I mean I. don't I I I stopped myself three out of. 10. times especially if I could come up with. some reason oh I'm going to go over my.

notes you know yeah yeah but so what. what is the pull in your case is it. scrolling through the Twitter just. nonsense looking at nonsense on. Instagram and a lot of it is horrible. because uh I have this [ __ ] thing. that I'm doing with Tom saguro we send. each other the worst things we find. every day like an animal animal attacks. uh this one dude [ __ ] stole a cop car. was in a highspeed Chase in Mexico with. no tires and just Flames coming out of. the bottom of his car wild [ __ ] uh a lot.

of people falling off. buildings just why we just been doing. this to each other for just like out of. a Mor how many months has it been now. it's been like it's like a morbid yeah. yeah yeah just freaking each other out. every day so now the algorithm knows. that I'm [ __ ] up so the algorithm is. only showing me like motorcycles. accidents and just the wildest [ __ ] that. you shouldn't be looking at I get so. many of those videos that show up in my.

feed where it tells you are you sure you. want to look at this oh boy you know. where it's blurry and you have to click. again to look at I had maybe twice that. I really yeah so but here's the thing so. I'm interested in the that the AI. algorithm that generates those because. often times it'll put things in my feed. that I truly think I don't know how it. could have found out that I like this. stuff because I there is no signature. electronically of me having searched. something let's say what threepiece wool. suits right okay I love I love that look. and so now I'll see a thousand guys.

wearing these gorgeous Italian uh right. but other times it presents stuff to me. that makes no sense that it almost seems. as though I'm into gay sauna guys no but. I me I'm being serious like it's it's so. it's kind of uh Fitness which of course. I'm into having lost a lot of weight but. it almost seems homo erotic where it's. always these guys that are and and so as. I'm going like this my wife will say. what are you looking at I say well I'm. not sure I want to show you and then.

it's like literally 17 super muscular. guys but there is no there's nothing. that I've done that should suggest that. it should recognize that in me how do. you explain that Dr Joe well they took a. chance and they missed you know the data. is not complete you know you're. interested in some things that but. that's interesting like any uh. perception of men like with a six back. like looking good and oiled up that's. homoerotic which is interesting because. a woman with a beautiful body is not. considered homoerotic at all yeah isn't.

that odd yeah yeah it is odd it it's. like I don't even want to look at these. [ __ ] goodlooking guys what are you. gay but just I'm someone who actually is. very easy in complimenting other men so. that's not that that wasn't no but it is. it's considered homoerotic that that's. the problem well the positions that. they're taking doesn't seem like it was. Fitness it seemed like it was a bit kind. of come hither yeah well there's a lot. of girls that do that too though there's. a lot of girls that take these sexy uh. lifting weights poses but you don't.

think of them as homoerotic no but. they're appealing to the male gaze in. that. case and here we assume that the Fe so. men are posing they're appealing to men. because men are titilated by visual. stimuli not women right so very few. women I think women say that to ugly. dudes women aren't even visual don't. worry about it well they're not as. visual can we defitely visual when a. girl sees like Tatum O'Neal with a shirt. off and they. go yeah no of course that's that's real.

too but but how many how many strip bars. are out there targeting female patrons. oh yeah there's a big discrepancy there. you go yeah oh there's no it's not. equivalent I'm not saying that yeah out. it's but it's just funny that one is. homoerotic right you know it's just uh. but then there's also ones where it's. like okay who are you appealing too cuz. does a girl really want to see you sit. like this like this is weird this is is. a weird pose for a regular dude but by.

the way the the inability to recognize. some of these Dynamics is what causes. some men to send dickpics to women right. because they think that the same visual. stimuli that would titilate them is. exactly what would titillate women so. it's lack of theory of Mind whereas and. so a lot of men will say oh you know. I've got I've got a good morphology here. I think she'd be impressed by that and. she gets repulsed by it because he's not. he doesn't have interex theory of mind.

right. interesting evolutionary psychology it's. it's it's where it's at well how much is. it affected by. technology what is how much of when you. think of evolutionary psychology and you. think of us as an evolving species. that's integrating with its envir and it. environment radically changes so the. most obvious answer to that would be. internet pornographic addiction which.

almost exclusively afflicts men right uh. for very obvious reasons because what. what's happening with the internet. delivery system is it's exactly catering. to men's evolved pensent for sexual. variety right I can keep flipping. through different porn uh Clips without. ever repeating the same one well it. doesn't take much for that stimulus to. then hijack my brain so when I for. example explained to people about the.

evolutionary roots of pornography that. doesn't mean that men have evolved a. gene for pornography right because. obviously there was no pornography in. the ancestral environment but what it. means is that those mechanisms that. evolved for mating are then hijacked. assured by prnography so I think the. most obvious one would be internet. pornography I think the next stage of. that is even more Terri terrifying I. think there's going to be some sort of. virtual element meaning meaning virtual. sex you're going to be able to actually.

have like a sexual experience. virtually but haptically how you do it I. think they're going to do it with some. sort of a an interface you know like. when you're seeing these first patients. of neuralink like this one guy who can. now amazingly operate a computer play. games move his cursor click on things I. mean it's incredible. and they think he's going to be able to. communicate through this thing like at. the speed of a Carnival Barker that's.

how he's going to be able to use this. wow it's crazy yeah so I I actually I. was giving a talk on global Jew hatred. in Montreal at this event uh and a guy. came up to me to introduce himself and. he's a neurosurgeon and he said that he. was part of the team that was choosing. the first neural link patient that you. just mentioned it's incredible it's. incredible so this is patient number one. right and it's been successful yeah and.

they believe that ultimately they'll be. able to restore blindness they'll be. able to restore movement to people. there's going to be a lot of like wild. things that this technology if it can. continue to progress is going to be. capable of doing and at one point in. time I've got to imagine it's got to be. able to create an artificial reality. simulator that you just you just immerse. yourself in whether it takes 10 years to. do that or 50 or 100 in the future. they're going to have something that.

forget about porn like forget about like. actually going on an adventurous life. why would you do that when you can have. all of the trappings of being a wizard. in a [ __ ] dungeon game you could just. play you you just live your life in this. world that doesn't exist get sexual. pleasure satisfaction eat food and all. you do when you awake is you eat food go. to sleep wake up and do it again oh boy.

that's a that's a dire world it's the. matrix it's the Matrix it really is the. Matrix and I feel like there's no way to. stop it I feel like if things keep going. in the way they're going what what are. do we have regulations to keep a. simulated Universe from appearing we. don't have any regulations if somebody. wanted to create if they were so smart. that they created a simulated universe. that you could participate in and they. could say God you could be whoever you. want you could be you could you want to. go to you want to go to ancient Egypt in.

2000 BC and see what was cracking what. was going on down there what did that. look like when the height of the. pyramids what the [ __ ] did that look. like you wouldn't do that of course you. would do that everybody would do that. and if it was like harmless you couldn't. get hurt you couldn't get injured you're. in god mode everywhere you go if you die. you just re just wake up and do it all. over again and you keep doing it I mean. not to rain on that U Matrix parade but. uh books in a sense do exactly that.

right no they don't you you want it to. be you stop your you shut your mouth. we're talking about transporting you to. the [ __ ] dinosaur time scat we're. talking about you running around. watching Raptors tear AP part of. brosaurus it's indistinguishable from. reality indistinguishable looks like. it's happening right in front of you. that's all everyone's going to be doing. oh boy those books are going to. rot those books are going to be covered. in dust you're going to do it one time. and it'll get to the point see it's sort.

of like VR if you do VR now it's really. cool it's kind of fun it's like wow this. game's nuts I've tried the the boxing. one yeah they're cool it's a good. workout the boxing is a really good. workout because you know you really do. it's really is like hard Shadow Boxing. yeah you know cuz you have to move a lot. and you like my feet were hurting I was. like wow this is kind of crazy um but. that very crude in comparison to what's. coming that is like pong remember pong. yeah you're older than me you know what.

the [ __ ] I'm talking that game was. amazing ARA what's it called Atari Atari. Atari remember when that happened we. were like this is nuts we are playing a. video we we of that age like we went. through the whole thing we went through. VCRs we went through answering machines. so my knowledge of video games stopped. and peaked. 1981 with Galaga do you know Galaga oh. yeah so I was I was I was like a a. champion in Galaga but that's the end of.

my knowledge so like right now I see my. son interact with things and he tries to. bring me in and I just feel like I don't. have the bandwidth to do anything that. he's doing it will eat your life it will. eat your life it will eat your life it's. too fun they're too good these games are. so good now they're so immersive So you. you're you're a gamer no I don't do them. because they're too good oh right no I'm. scared I'm scared they they just they're. too fun they're too fun and I have too. many friends that will play video games.

till like 2:00 3:00 in the morning and. and they're they're our age yeah wow how. do they navigate through family life and. all a lot of them. don't but you know some of them are. younger the younger guys are They're all. playing uh what does Shane play will. they play Call of Duty Shane's Shane's. big into Madden and he likes the UFC. game. he also plays some like Command and. Conquer style because he's big into. military history oh right right he likes. some of that stuff too so they're. playing these [ __ ] insanely immersive.

games and these games are so good. they're so good now the graphics are so. incredible wow they're so fun they're so. exciting they just have it geared up to. like constant excitement so the only one. that interested me in the ones that my. son showed me I I'm I really know very. little about this is the sniper games oh. you like to be a little sneaky exact no. I there's something very very very. beautiful about sort of studying. yourself and then getting that scope and. so I I I respect the guys who do that in.

real life and so I Tred to to do it but. there was too much hand eye coordination. of different things so I didn't do too. well but well you got to that that. controller becomes you yeah right. becomes you so Richard Richard Dawkins. talks about that being an extended. phenotype right those guys that are. really good at that that's the ones that. the military wants they want those guys. to operate drones oh right that's what I. would want until AI does it AI is going. to do a way better job right did you see.

the thing that we had uh Mike Baker on. he was explaining to us uh yesterday. that they have dog fights they're doing. now where AI controlled jets are. competing against Jets flown by the best. pilots and the AI jets are witting 100%. of the time. wow incredible so Fu terrifying so so so. speaking of AI I was in the early you. know wave of studying AI so my undergrad.

is in mathematics computer science and. so in as part of my computer science. degree I had taken in some AI stuff. course with uh Monty newborn I think or. new I can't remember his exact name he. was the part of the team of Deep Blue. which do you know de so that's those. that was the AI system that was being. built to play against the grand chest. Masters and at the time sometimes this. one would win sometimes this one would. win often times would be ties and so we.

had learned how to program the search. algorithms that would allow you to go. through a decision tree of Chess without. having to exhaustively go through the. entire tree because the entire tree is. something like 10 to the 100 different. nodes it would take more than the entire. history of the universe to go through it. so you have to know how to prune the. tree do you follow what I mean so that. way if I I better not waste time going. down here so just cut it off that. reduces the search space and so I had. been exposed to some of the earliest.

advances in my formal education in AI. but frankly 40 years later not. withstanding all of the advances I would. have thought there would have been even. more AI applications than what we. currently have in other words I thought. it would be you know we've. underperformed what I thought we would. have reached so for example in medical. Diagnostics why aren't there more AI. systems that are being used instead of. actual you know human doctors don't you.

think because medical Diagnostics is. just the collation of tons of. information so that you're able to it's. it's it's a structured problem right it. has very here are all the symptoms I can. search through the whole database and. come up with what is the likely disease. much more quickly and probably more. accurately than any human physician and. yet to the best of my knowledge I don't. think they're used as much as you would. have thought they should be yeah I don't. think they are but I think people have. um been diagnosed with things from that.

right from artificial intelligence now. and what they didn't someone put a bunch. of their data in the chat GPT and for. sure a story went around about like a. mom that couldn't get a good answer and. put info in there and got got like a. correct diagnosis really quickly but. that's like a one anote I think that. went around yeah I don't know if it's. true but you would imagine that at a. certain point in time you would get all. of the data on. all all medical interventions all all.

you know all medications that are good. effective for this that or the other. thing all issues that could lead to a. genetic propensity towards this that or. the other thing and you would have it. all in some sort of a database right if. you could have a computer that's far. smarter than a human being process that. and instantaneously no instead of having. some guy that has to go back to like. what he learned when he was in grad. school and you're you're you're you're. way better off so I think in some areas. and I I I could be misspeaking so take. this with a bit of a grain of salt but I.

think in. Radiology is one of the areas where now. ai systems are almost going to render. the human radiologist obsolete because. it's pattern recognition right I'm. looking at an image and then I have to. read that image to decide whether is. does it look like this this area is a. bit gray so it looks like there could be. a tumor well it turns out I think that. the AI systems are better able to detect. most of these things than humans so wow. so I actually spoke to a radiologist.

cousin of mine and he he he didn't think. that they would become obsolete anytime. soon him meaning that that humans would. the human radiologist would still have. something to input but it seems to me. that in in fields and Medicine where. it's largely driven by pattern. recognition is where AI is going to make. the most Headway I think that's. interesting. um I'm really fascinated to see what the. end of this looks like because I think.

it's going to come real quick I think. the use of AI is now something we're. just waking up to in terms of like the. the the general population is super. aware of AI now for the first time it. was like a science fiction thing just 20. years ago right that the possibility of. it was science fiction 20 years ago but. the POS the probability of it right now. it's like a [ __ ] Freight Train That's. headed over a cliff it's like no one's. hitting the brakes on this at all and.

what does this look like so have you had. guests that are both you really need to. be deathly afraid of AI versus those who. say it's completely overblown sure yeah. definitely and what is the evidence. leaning to which Camp I I don't know. much of the well the evidence is really. in who the [ __ ] knows okay that's the. the the what is actually going to happen. is who the [ __ ] knows cuz I think I. think it's going to be more bizarre than. we could ever imagine I think I think. what we're what we're giving birth to. collectively as a society is going to be.

more bizarre than anything we could ever. imagine because it's going to be smarter. than us by a lot and it's going to be. able to make smarter versions of it it's. going to be able to harness energy in a. way that we couldn't ever possibly. fathom we couldn't think it up and it's. going to have sensient it's going to. have the ability to make decisions it's. a life form and we're giving birth to it. we're giving birth to some Godlike life. form that has had that has an. Unstoppable potential for technological.

superiority over the human race yikes. yeah it's going to be so Superior and if. we're programming into it certain. Behavior characteristics or certain. imperatives it doesn't have morals it. doesn't have it just G to it's the whole. idea behind it is nuts so I of all of. all the courses that I've ever taken in. my life with you know I spent many years. in University the course that blew me.

the most it blew my mind was a course. called uh formal languages which was. about uh well formal languages is. touring machines and so I don't know if. do you know who tour yeah the touring. test so yeah the touring test of course. so Allan touring if if you delve into. his actual you know. material you're blown away that a human. mind can think at that level you know. and I'm saying this as someone who spent. my entire career in Academia so I've met.

a lot of really really brilliant people. but it's a it's it's almost metaphysical. the kind of uh depth that his intellect. went to so the only other guy that I. could think of of sort of contemporary. guys would be girdle I don't know if you. know do you know so are you familiar. with yeah girdle's the guy who came up. with a functional diagram of how you can. make a time machine oh did he I Kurt. girdle Kur girle the mathematician yeah. the mathematician exactly so he was I.

don't know if you know the story I. actually I talk about in this book in. the happiness book uh at one point I'm. talking about the importance of going. for walks and just go for walk and talk. and so on and I said well Einstein so. both Einstein and girdle were together. at The Institute for advanced studies at. Princeton and later in his career uh. Einstein was older than girdle later in. his career Einstein said that the only. reason that he would go into the office. was because he was excited to go on.

these long walks with girdle and just. have these chats so imagine being a fly. on the wall sitting as girdle and. Einstein are having these conversations. so I just finished reading girdle's uh. uh biography and it was very interesting. because here's this unbelievable mind. you know what he died of what because. it's going to speak to to the the. opposite side of the mind he was. convinced that there were people trying. to poison him so he would use his wife.

as the food tester oh Jesus and she was. committed to hospital with with some. disease whatever so she could no longer. serve as his food tester so he died of. starvation oh my God so now imagine. girdle is both the guy who could think. in ways that are unimaginable to us and. is also the guy whose mind was. parasitized by these conspiratorial. ideas wow he was 65 PBS when he died of.

malnutrition isn't that phenomenal wow. caused by a personality. disturbance wow It it's unbelievable. isn't it assassination of his close. friend he developed an obsessive fear of. being poisoned oh I bought the book on I. just bought a book on the murder of. Professor schlick who was the guy who. started the uh Vienna Circle and why did.

they poison him no they shot him shot. him yeah so he was worried about being. poisoned because his friend got shot. that so I don't know where the Genesis. of his paranoia came from but my point. is that in that same mind right were. these two sides this un so he he. developed What's called the. incompleteness theory so there there are. some things within any axiomatic system. in mathematics that you could never be. able to prove within that system it's.

it's really at the level it's it's like. Godly it's just unbelievable especially. if you're I was in mathematics to be. able to think at that level is. unimaginable how deep it is and yet you. think people are going to poison you and. you're willing to starve to death that's. the mystery of the human. mind Jamie see if you can find what his. theory on time travel was I just looking. that up postulated he was like wondering. if I think it has to be like the size of.

a solar system he was talking about the. the way the solar system worked in. relativity which was Einstein's theory. would that. allow time travel here it goes a. rotating Universe yeah how a rotating. Universe makes time travel. possible so he had this idea but I'm I'm. going to butcher it unless I can. actually read it trying to get to it. some of this stuff is so difficult to. grasp right right it is go something.

like okay here it is f girdle found that. if you follow a particular path in this. rotating Universe you can end up in your. own past you'd have to travel incredibly. far billions of light years long to do. it but it can be done as you travel you. would get caught up in the rotation of. the universe that isn't just a rotation. of the stuff in the cosmos but of both. space and time themselves in essence the. rotation of the universe would so.

strongly alter your potential paths. forward that those paths loop back. around to where you started I have no. idea what that means holy [ __ ] I mean. you know Richard feeman you know who. that is Richard feeman the Nobel Prize. winner in physics he was a Pioneer in. quantum mechanics he said if you think. you understand quantum physics you don't. understand quantum physics it's the same. thing for me with this kind of stuff I I. read it and it it's it's impossible for. my stupid brain I don't think it's. stupid brain it's it's so esoteric it's.

it is very very esoteric but listen to. this if you would set off on your. journey and never travel faster than the. speed of light and you would find. yourself back where you started but in. your own. past. what the possibility of back time travel. creates paradoxes and violates our. understanding of causality thankfully. all observations indicate that the. universe is not rotating so we are.

protected from gel's problem of backward. time travel but it remains to this day a. mystery while general relativity is okay. with this seemingly impossible. phenomenon gell used the example of the. rotating Universe to argue that general. relativity is incomplete and he may yet. be right. I don't know what to add to that if you. give people the opportunity to go back. in time oh my God that would be. ridiculous so if I well but speaking of.

this you never I've actually played this. g a version of this game where I ask. people if you could invite 10 historical. people to your dinner party who would. they be so maybe I can ask you that you. don't have to list 10 can you can you. off the top of your head can you list a. few that would have to be at the Joe. Rogan. barbecue I could tell you who's my. number one who Leonardo da Vinci I just. I just finished the biography on him do. you speak Italian I don't I speak fake. Italian I just add who knows what their.

Italian was right they all had dialects. like my grandparents spoke in dialects. it's weird Italian by way is that right. yeah I could link my love for Leonardo. da Vinci with the earlier concept of. consilience that we talked about maybe. you can see how because Leonardo da. Vinci by definition is the renaissance. man right he is the ultimate polymath. he's a he's an anatomist and a painter. and an engineer and a futurist and a. sculptor right he he's a man of all and.

and does them all at very high. proficiency and he's able to link all. these things right so he studies the. anatomy of the body in his art so he's. now linking Anatomy with art so that's. what consilience say so to me Leonard Da. Vinci is the ultimate intellectual man. because he can do it all he can link. different things so he would be on my. list who would be arguably your top guy. well it's one night right one night you. got to bring Hunter Thompson who who the. hell is that Hunter S Thompson who's.

that really Hunter S you never heard of. Hunter S Thompson no the. journalist never heard of him you never. heard of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. you never heard of this guy maybe that's. crazy I can't believe you never heard of. Hunter S Thompson Hunter S Thompson is. an American writer and uh he uh what's. his most a Fear and Loathing in Las. Vegas is the one they made into a Johnny. Depp movie it was a crazy it really.

started off the the the assignment was. he was supposed to write about I think. it was motorcycle racing in in Las Vegas. he gets this uh this contract to write. this article and he goes there and. instead it's this. LSD entrenched PS this guy over es and. Plato and Aristotle and da Vinci he said. brilliant things man you get if you read. his work his work work was brilliant it. was brilliant he was out of his [ __ ].

mind I mean he was out of his [ __ ]. mind doing assd shooting Windows he was. crazy he had there's a video of him. having a shootout with his neighbors in. Colorado they're shooting at each other. it was crazy like legitimately killed. himself that goes with your morbid. Instagram things with your friend no it. doesn't necessarily because I think if I. could catch him when he was young I. better be been a fascinating guy to talk. to I just think you can't drink that. hard for that long you just deteriorate. and and things go sideways mentally it's.

just very very very bad for you you're. poisoning yourself every day with Coke. and you're poisoning yourself every day. with whiskey and that's this guy there's. a a video of us reading Hunter S. Thompson's list of what this journalist. saw him do in a day this journalist came. to Woody Creek College. where he lived and um us talking about. it made its way into a song who who is. that that band that did.

that so it's like a like a techno dance. song wow that's all about Hunter S. Thompson's like stuff he did like when. when were you reading that like that was. a few years back it was me and Greg F. Simmons were reading it we were like. this is the craziest thing listen to. beardy Man featuring Joe Rogan can we. play this I mean that's ridiculous it's. my own. words oh in terms of copyright what what. happens when you play it what do you. hear just I know what you hear okay so.

it's the problem is the music have to. cut it out of the show is the problem. okay um see if you can find the actual. clip of me and Greg talking about it. there's probably a clip of it but it was. uh it's such a. ridiculous he was amount of substances. he's consuming in a day it's [ __ ]. insane like he was insane so what makes. him interesting is that he's insane and. he consumes a lot of alcohol and drugs. no has it been 5 years he's a brilliant. guy like the things that he said were.

brilliant daily routine 3 p.m. rise I. put music on that's okay this is It's he. woke up at 3 p.m. and he like starts his. day with whiskey and cocaine it's like. he's a [ __ ] animal man he's an animal. um but he was also a brilliant writer. man he had amazing insight and he's a. guy that sort of was soured by the shift. from the 1960s to the 1970s and like. what happened in this country and how.

weird things so you could have had a I. mean he only died recently right yeah he. died quite a while ago he committed. suicide at least 10 years ago right okay. but I mean technically you could have. met him could have yeah would have been. possible but even then it was like the. end of his he wasn't the same guy he. wasn't the same guy as he50 another. glass of shivas another Dunhill here's. his daily r 300 p.m. rise 3:5 shivas. Regal with morning papers smokes dun. Hills 3:45 cocaine 350 another glass of.

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champagne Dove bars fetuccini. Alfredo 8 a.m. houseon which a sleeping. pill 8:20 sleep so he would take a. sleeping pill at 8:20 in the morning. after riding it hard would I love it. wow now if it's writing sucked that's. crazy but but his writing Wasing what. was he he he wrote he was a no it was he. came up with a with a kind of Journalism.

that was like journalism mixed with. fiction and he he called it like Gonzo. journalism where that's him okay that's. okay I got it the way he would write. would be like overthe toop ridiculous to. the point where he thought everybody. knew he was joking but it was mixed up. in like also real stuff like fear and. loathing on the campaign Trail you know. he was on the campaign Trail and he. spread a rumor about this guy who was a. candidate for president being a drug.

addict on this uh exotic Brazilian drug. ibaan and so people started believing it. the guy started having a mental. breakdown and he was on the Dick Cavit. show and he admitted to doing this wow. he admitted to spreading the rumor he's. like you made it all up I couldn't. believe people believe that musky was. eating eving I never said he was I said. there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he. was which was true and I started the. rumor in.

Milwaukee affected the campaign he. affected I'm assuming he wasn't mared he. wasn't married was he married he was. married he okay because all that cocaine. and stuff might get into the well you. know got to do what you got to do in. this world I don't know fair enough. obviously it didn't work out yeah yeah. but he was a [ __ ] maniac. he was a like complete Maniac but. especially in his younger days like uh. Hell's Angels is an amazing book it's. crazy that's a crazy book he was. embedded with the Hell's Angels wow and.

wrote this book and they were really mad. at him afterwards and it's but it's a. crazy oh I know where I know him from I. think tuck I read Tucker. Carlson's uh biography because the the. guy who wrote it came on my show so I. read I read it in preparation and I. think Tucker Carlson refers to him. that's where I learned the term Gonzo. journalism I think probably I I doesn't. Tucker have like a hunter ass Thompson.

story well that's that's what I'm. thinking because when you said Hell's. Angels I know that Tucker had been. invited to go give a talk with the. Hell's Angels where he referenced some. and I think it's this guy so now I'm. linking what you're talking about yeah. that makes I feel like I don't I don't. know the story but I think Tucker has a. Hunter S Thompson story like he knew him. oh I feel like I've known hunus Thompson. for most of my life I first encountered. him in 1981 when I was 12 Tucker Carlson. wow Jamie would we say that out of my 10.

uh uh appearances on the show this has. been the most number of times that. you've come in with some uh truth I'm. I'm going to say yes damn dropping bombs. dropping bombs have any research on. number of pull-ups I've done yeah you're. obsessed with numbers um uh I'm a. academic we quantify things makes sense. but in this world that can be. problematic I don't know if you know. that math is racist I Do I Do by the way. 7 or eight years ago you could pull it.

up Jamie can pull it up I did a. satirical clip where I introduced a new. field that I was coining as social. justice mathematics and I went through. all of these mathematical properties and. said how they we should get rid of them. like irrational numbers should not exist. because they marginalize uh mental. illness whatever and I just went through. the whole list it became a big hit. amongst the crowd of mathematicians. which is kind of a geeky crowd but seven. eight years later reality caught up with.

my prophetic satire now it is literally. the case that there is a field called. sort of social justice mathematics where. you talk about math being racist. so there's a lot of grifters in this. world kids and there's a lot of people. that believe things if left unchallenged. and those things become doctrin they're. a real problem because they're not based. in logic they're just based in non sense. they're they're based in a cult-like. thinking that is we are very percept. we're very susceptible to cult-like. thinking yeah I I watched yesterday on.

my way to Austin a documentary. three-part series on these I think it's. called Ivy Ridge School have you heard. of it Ivy Ridge school it's it was in. ogdenburg or something in Upstate New. York they had a whole bunch of those. schools where they would take kids many. of whom were not delinquents really but. they would convince their parents. because you mentioned cult so this was. kind of a cult situation they would. convince their parents that they need to. send them to these boarding schools in.

order to you know provide them with. structure and discipline so that they. can get their life together get their. life together even many even though many. of them you know had committed very very. minor in fact they were caught once with. marijuana these were not like you know. dropping uh assd all day long and the. things that they would do to them in. these schools is straight out of you. know the worst Soviet gags you could. think of and they're throughout the. United States and it's a form of cult.

indoctrination where you're doing cult. indoctrination at two levels to to the. captives captives in the schools but you. also have to convince the parents that. they're doing the right thing by sending. their kids there it's unbelievable you. should watch this documentary it really. it behooves you to imagine that in the. 21st century in the United States these. things can occur but it really. does oh there you go exactly there you. go came out to that's crazy it's unb.

you're not allowed to have eye contact. with another student you're not allowed. to smile you're not allowed to look out. the window you're not allowed to speak. to anyone you just sit in front of a. computer and you just do these uh oh my. God that's crazy and they were in there. for like 28 months three then they gave. gave them uh degrees diplomas uh High. School diplomas that were fraudulent so. imagine you're sent there and by the way. in some cases they would come and kidnap.

you out of your parents' home because. they knew that the kid would be. resistant to leave they said no no it's. completely legal so like two goons would. come take your child take them to. Upstate New York the kid has no idea why. I'm there oh my God yeah so it's really. it's very powerful so and hence that's. why parisit thinking right our ability. to be parasitized is infinite that is. CRA that story is crazy yeah yeah yeah. yeah definitely check it out oh my God.

so how how old are your kids now. speaking of kids are they are they are. they past the age where you have any. influence on them they think you're no. longer the hero you've become a zero cuz. my my children are entering a bit that. stage teen that's to be expected and. they're correct they find flaws in your. game yeah yeah it's uh it's fascinating. to watch little Minds develop their. their view of the world and if there's. anything that I've ever done like a real.

180 on. is I developed this weird way of looking. at people and it made me much more. empathetic where I don't think of people. as just you at age you know whatever you. are you at age 49 you at age 30 I I. think of everybody as babies I think of. of everybody is that you used to be a. little baby right and a bunch of [ __ ]. went terribly wrong right and now here. we are together in this unfortunate. situation and where I used to just think.

like if I saw some guy and he was drunk. and he's 35 years old some [ __ ] like. he's just an [ __ ] this guy's an. [ __ ] he's rude to. people what happened to that guy how did. how did he get to that spot and I. started thinking about people like. little babies little babies that just. got a bunch of bad things bad people and. bad environments and that's removing. people's personal agency that you're. you're it's a little it's it's. definitely removing it a little which is. also [ __ ] yeah cuz you do have. personal agency but you don't have you.

don't have 100% so I see I see you there. there's certain Landscapes that are you. know untraversable I actually face what. you face with a 35-year-old I fa. something similar on my daily walk with. my wife to the the coffee shop and back. there's a gentleman that stands outside. this uh you know kind of shishi. artisanal Butchery butcher place in our. neighborhood and he is soliciting money. every day all all day okay he doesn't. look as though he's mentally ill he.

doesn't look completely destitute but he. stands there every day and so now I know. I just say hello to him just to. recognize him and he get you could tell. that it means a lot to him hi how are. you how you doing and I've struggled. with whether it would be appropriate for. me or not to just strike up a. conversation out of just a human. interest in knowing what happened to you. because he clearly doesn't seem like. he's mentally ill he doesn't seem as. though he's a drug addict I mean he's. not wearing a three-piece Italian suit.

but you know he's not disheveled and yet. he's there every day and that's the best. option he has do you think it would it. would be viewed by him as insulting and. offensive if I were. to you know speak to him or on the. contrary hey somebody's actually taking. an interest in me h how do you how do. you view this it really depends upon the. situation and you know how crazy you. think he is or if you think he's crazy. at all I don't think he's crazy well. there's a lot of people that have mental.

illnesses that wind up on the street. that's a big part of the problem yeah. mental illnesses and drug addicts. they're the ones who wind up in those. situations and he could be either of. those either of those yeah yeah you. don't know I mean but I bet he's. probably lonely and I bet you know if. you have a conversation with him he'd. probably appreciate it exactly you know. if you could handle it if you can handle. it you know the the you might get sucked. into his world a little bit he might. want money from you true might you know. who knows why He's there can I tell you. an incredible story about a homeless guy.

sure it's actually in the last chapter. of the happiness book his name is Ban. gilani I met him in when I was a. professor at UC Irvine I was sitting at. a cafe a whole bunch of books thrown all. all over my table I was working on a. paper he comes up to me really. well-dressed a bit of a accent he's of. Iranian descent he says oh my God these. are all interesting books do you mind if. I sit down with you for a couple minutes. chat you know so I tell him I'm a. professor at UC orine he was doing his. PhD studying the homeless community in.

Southern California so he had it was an. anthropological study where instead of. going to a culture and living amongst. them in the Amazon the community that. he's studying anthropologically is the. homeless community so he embedded. himself and he actually finished his PhD. at UC Irvine he was a wealthy man fast. forward several years years later he. becomes destitute living out of his car. and himself homeless okay and the reason. why I mentioned that's him that's his.

car this is incredible Jamie okay so. this this gentleman was living in this. car now why am I mentioning this in the. context of the book on happiness so he. was asked Joe are you are you a happy. person right guess what he answers he. says now this is this is a guy who would. has a PHD reached Pinnacle very wealthy. guy in Southern California is now living. in his car he says well I'm a moral. person I'm a good person I have a. library card to the Newport Beach.

Library so I can go and nourish my mind. I have a card to the gym so I could stay. healthy yes I'm happy so I use that. story to say here is a guy who has every. reason to feel down on himself yet he. frames his situation in such a way that. he can Elevate himself despite all his. trials and tribulations one more quick. story on on that David mallum I I I may. have mentioned him previously I'm not. sure arguably the the most incredible. guy I've had on my show and like you.

I've had many amazing people spent 29. years in prison and then he was. exonerated for a murder that he didn't. commit he comes on my show we're. chatting as we're chat as we're chatting. maybe you could pull that one up too. David mcallum and as we're chatting I. said to him you know David you you must. be The Reincarnation of Buddha because. it's amazing how you're not filled with. any ranker any sense of vindictiveness. any vengefulness it's unbelievable I. mean you're a much better man than I am. because I would want to burn the world.

down if someone did this to me he says. you you know God I have a sister who. suffers from cerebral paly and she's. been bedridden and yet she has she finds. a way to smile and so from that. perspective you know whatever I went. through is not that bad so a guy who. just spent three decades in prison for a. crime that he didn't commit was still. able to reframe his his tragedy into a. positive wow so these are and by the way. these are the types of you know people.

learn a lot more from these stories than. they do if you had gone all academes on. them right right and so that's why I. love telling these stories because then. people right away connect to those. stories so no it's God F the way they. human brain works like for you studying. this for all these years is what is the. most surprising thing to you that people. do that seems obvious that they. shouldn't do in terms of the way they.

think about things uh not not alter. their positions in light of incoming. evidence it's the big one right that's. the big one because in a sense it speaks. to your decency as a human being. epistemologically if we are true honest. people we we change it's so as you said. we make mistakes we held positions. because we had information ABC but now. XY Z comes in and we change and any good. decent moral person with Integrity has.

to be able to do that but to your. earlier Point most of us are vain most. of us have pride most of us have vested. interest in whatever positions we're in. we can't let go of those positions. because it would affect my identity and. there and that's why by the way Pride of. the seven deadly sins you may or may not. know this is the Supra sin it's the sin. from which all other sins flow because. pride is the orgastic self-love so so in. French by the way you distinguish.

between positive pride and negative. pride in in English you don't have that. distinction so if you say I'm proud of. my work that's different than saying. don't be prideful in your love that. would be a negative thing in French. there is a distinction positive pride. is negative pride is so that's another. interesting thing is that in some. languages the terms exist to separate in. other languages you don't have them wow. dropping a lot of wisdom and knowledge.

you are but you are always filled with. that I think one of the more unique. things about your uh background that. makes you resistant to stupidity is the. fact that you did have to flee with your. family yeah and the fact that you were. you were involved in a a real war was. real war zone real scary time and to see. the effects of. ideology so clearly imposing themselves. on your life when you were very young.

that's exactly right that that's why in. in the first chapter paric mind I tell. that story because then that offers the. reader a window into why I hate. tribalism or I hate identity politics. because because Lebanon is the perfect. experiment of identity politics right. and so yeah I'm you're exactly right uh. do you do you hold any I mean one of the. things that's been amazing about all the. different conversations that you and I. have had and this is like the 10th one. that we've done it a lot of this.

wouldn't get to some of the people that. that that understand what you're saying. and and reincorporate it into their. understanding of their own behavior and. tribal behavior in general and just the. way people be just think about things. way way people accept ridiculous ideas. yeah like you've had a a big impact on. that well you've had I you just you just. gave me the Forum I just show up you. tell me where to show up you have all. the information if I show up on myself. it's not it's not worthwhile you know I. got to tell you you can't imagine the.

extent of I mean I guess you can't. imagine but I could be walking on a I. mean that's literally happened I'm. walking on a beach in the Bahamas a. native baham Bahamian who's doing some. you know artisanal thing runs up to me. recognizes me cuz I've been on the jaill. RO show so it's just it's unb and I. don't mean that in a oh people are I I. mean that that's your reach so how many. how many people do you get per show if I.

it's a lot I don't know many millions. it's a lot right so I mean so then again. the people who are looking down on. podcasters I mean if you are in the. business of spreading information you. should be lining up to appear on the. show for believe me I never take it for. granted I I feel so privileged that. first that I'm your friend but that I. have this opportunity to come and reach. so many people how many people have. written to me and said I became. interested in Psychology in consumer. behavior in in in politics because I. heard you say something on Joe Rogan. that's unbelievable yeah it's pretty.

nuts it's very weird Joe Rogan from. Boston Massachusetts yeah sort of Newton. I lived in Boston different parts of my. life but it's um it's very bizarre that. uh it's it reached what where it's what. it's doing it's very strange do you how. do you handle Fame. try not to okay I try not to engage but. so do you I mean are you are you shut. off when you're in public because I. suspect people not not shut off no just.

try to be me. yeah yeah yeah I mean it's the only way. to do it otherwise you'll go crazy yeah. you go crazy you know if you don't. interact with people I mean uh people. were they they do get weird people get. weird with you yeah just it's weird they. see someone that they watched on YouTube. or they're watched on their phone or. watched you know whatever I mean I've. been fortunate I don't know how it's. been for you my ratio I mean online I. get tons of negativity but in person.

I've only had an knock on wood in all. the years that I've been in the public. one time a negative encounter so it's 10. 10 million to one that's that's pretty. amazing so your ratio hasn't been as. positive or no it's been very it's. always very positive I think in even in. general most people are good people even. if they say bad things and I think if. you're around someone your reaction to. them would be very different than. writing things in text I bet a lot of. the people that wrote shitty things to. you if they met you they'd say a nice.

thing to you right it's it's a terrible. way to communicate and it it feels just. like a real thought you are I mean I. don't know if it's I mean I know that. sometimes I'm a lot more costic when I. reply to someone online than I would in. person yeah I really try not to be I I I. don't want to I don't want I don't like. conflict I don't think it's necessary I. think most of your conflict should be. within yourself right within your own. mind and just whatever you're doing with. your life and focusing your energy on.

you have more bandwidth for it if you. don't have these external conflicts that. are totally unnecessary I just think. they're unnecessary well you seem to I. mean I obviously follow you on Twitter. or x uh you don't you don't post I mean. you don't engage anybody anymore right I. almost never it's just not fun it's just. you're you're thrown into this weird. world of opinions and and and people and. if it's about you like you shouldn't be.

that interested in you that you want to. read all these people's opinions about. you I'm interested in other people. writing about stuff I'm interested in. different opinions about things but I. don't want to engage because it's the. environment of engaging online is just. too weird and you're doing it every day. for three hour already so too many. different opinions coming at you and too. many different people coming at you it's. like that's not good for people I don't. think it's good to be interacting with. that many people in any form I don't.

think it's good to be interact with that. many people in real life I think it's. just you probably never have a deep. conversation you're just constantly. running into new new people. like everywhere you go just people. constantly you're going to want some. time off you know and I think it's the. same with like interactions online and I. think people don't think about it that. way they'll think about like every time. someone's talking at you you're getting. input every time you're around someone. you're getting input yeah and if you are. around people that are cool it's a great. experience it's really fun we had a.

great time we were laughing oh my God it. was so much fun but if you're around. someone who's really annoying and shitty. or mean or snide or just now it's a bad. time right so you know to avoid those. people but you don't have that. opportunity online it's a party and the. whole world's there and % of them might. be Chinese Bots who [ __ ] knows who. knows what's coming at you and you're. just going to take those in and your. brain's going to process them like. they're real opinions and real people.

that are to be respected these are. things to be considered and maybe you. are a piece of [ __ ] D maybe you maybe. you are self-hating maybe you are this. you're that of many of the uh wonderful. advice that you've well given on the. show I remember you once said to me kind. of surprised what are you doing reading. comments never never ever read comments. and I remember that sometimes when I. answer someone they say clearly you're. not implementing Joe Rogan's advice but. I must say that over the years I've.

greatly reduced my temptation to so I I. can't say that I never read but much. much less than before you'll feel way. better yeah it's just not good for you I. think it's a bad way to process people's. interactions I don't think it's a real. indicator of people I think it's a it's. a weird way that people are willing to. engage online they would never do in. real life otherwise it would be a blood. bath in the streets everywhere be just. killed each other left and right it's.

not like that in the real world because. it's that's the real world type of. communication is very different than. online communication but online. communication gets processed in your. head like it's real communication and I. think it heightens anxiety with. everybody yeah so in the happiness book. I talk about uh research that shows that. the number one factor in terms of. longevity more than your cholesterol. scores when you're 50 is the tightness. of your Social Network your friendship. group and so with that in.

mind if if I were to ask you to pick. your you know your five biggest friends. are they ones that you've you know held. from when you were in Newton or are. there a lot of new entrance into the. inner circle of Joe Rogan over the years. like that does it shift much your. friendship group or are you very much. stable that I've been friends with since. I was in high school but um I have a lot. of really good friends that have been. I've been friends with Comics that are. real good friends of mine for decades. right so I've known a lot of these guys.

and a lot of the guys that are here now. like Tony I've been friends with Tony in. for God at least 15 years something like. that right when did Tony first start. doing shows at Red Band oh 10 11. something like that something crazy like. that 11 12 years ago whatever it was um. Joey Diaz been friends with him for 25. years 26 years maybe more you know. there's a lot of these guys I've known.

forever I've known Ari for 20 plus years. you know we were just we've been friends. for so long and Tom sigura same thing. I've known him for 20 years almost so. when those guys all wanted to move out. here together I'm like oh my God this is. amazing Ari hasn't moved here but I'm. going to try to convince that. [ __ ] here meaning Austin yeah. okay from from California he likes New. York oh he's in New York he likes to be. like congested he likes to be beep beep. [ __ ] you he likes I like it he likes he. likes all the energy of all those people.

packed on top of each other are most of. your Southern California friends out of. there yeah is that yeah there's a few. guys left yeah Bill Burr stayed uh a few. other guys stay that are really good by. the way I had one of your friends on my. show Brian Ken oh Brian C's awesome he's. a such a cool guy he's a smart. [ __ ] he really is and also. [ __ ]. at the same time oh care to care to uh. silly he's just silly but he's just uh. well he wasn't he wasn't with on our on. my show he was like very serious yeah no.

he's very capable of that too he's very. well read yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly. yeah he's um he's a great guest too. great podcast guest well I've always. said that uh I mean Comics have to by. definition be intelligent because and by. the way that's a sexually selected trait. right when women say you know I want I. want a man who's funny she's obviously. saying I want a man who's intelligent. because it's very unlikely for you to be. truly funny and be a complete dard right.

and so by by you saying I like funny. guys you are effectively saying by proxy. I like intelligent guys so it doesn't. surprise me that Brian Callen or all. your other friends would be funny. because I mean look at Dave Chappelle. how are you going to pull off all those. insights if you were just [ __ ] right so. he's probably smarter than a lot of my. colle colag well he's he's very smart. Dave's very smart but he's also you know. I mean he's like in the world of standup. seven days a week he's like a a master.

Craftsman out there like swinging away. at ideas and piecing him up together on. the road he get he's there's no one like. him that guy flies into a town and just. shows up at comedy clubs and goes on. stage like they don't even know he's. going to be there does it all the time. is that right yeah man he did it with me. I was in Denver he just show up you mean. you you were performing in Denver and he. just up in Denver and he just showed up. now do you feel slighted in that he. might take over the scene or on the cont. my friend no no no I wanted him to go on.

okay this is what happened I uh I uh did. this uh weekend at uh the Comedy Works. in Denver and Dave flew in and uh just. decided to show up and I'm like what are. you doing he goes I just wanted to come. say hi he just flew in I go you want to. go on stage he goes should I go [ __ ]. yeah hold on so I go out onto the stage. and I yelled out to the audience tell. everybody to come back Dave Chappelle's. here and they like what and so they all. piled back in he did like another 40.

minutes and murdered it was incredible. it was so much fun it was so much fun. you know but that so that guy does that. all the time all over the place he'll. just show up in New York start doing. sets show up in La start doing sets wow. he just shows up and works out his. material and just in it he's just in it. man you know just fully involved in this. this art form so you would say he's. currently the top living comic you know. it's he's absolutely you can't consider.

the best without considering him it's. it's all subjective you know there's. certain people that think this person's. funnier certain people that think that I. think it's all stupid to say like a. number one number two number three I. think there's just a level of greatness. that some achieve that he is at right. now that's very rare it's very Richard. prior right it's very Sam Kennison it's. very there's just like outliers that are. just so consistently good and over the.

years just have so much output you got. to put them in that category and he also. has this Mystique of taking 10 years off. right he disappears yeah yeah he. disappeared he stopped doing stand up. the one of the best of all time does. this incredible uh sketch show that's. arguably the best sketch show ever that. only only does two seasons right and. then he disappears and then he just. quits and then he doesn't he doesn't. even do stand up you know what he's. doing he was he would do standup at a. park he would show up with a speaker and.

plug it in and just do free standup in. like Seattle is that right yeah yeah and. would he draw huge crowds or be like C. they couldn't believe he was there like. what is he doing here this is this is. insane wow he would just show up places. you know like like a real artist on a. Vision Quest. right you know then he comes back 10. years later and just starts dominating. the game again well I saw him I don't. know if you saw that Netflix where he's. recounting how he went back to his high. school yeah and what struck me is how.

good of a Storyteller he was right I. mean that's that's the real key right I. mean and I think you've had someone I. think you had Jonathan gotell right the. the professor who studies evolutionary. literature and he he studies why. storytelling is important to us and Dave. Chappelle is a perfect manifestation of. this right I mean he can Garner huge. multi-million dollar deal because he. could tell a mean story he's just so. likable to everything about him like. when you start smiling when you hear him.

talk yeah you there's there's a there's. a vibe that he has when he starts. talking he just starts smiling that's. true you know you know and you know he's. going somewhere with it like where you. going with this oh. no that's true the world needs that yeah. we need people like that out there we. need guys like him out there so of all. the different hats you wear that's the. one that brings you I mean you're a. podcaster you do the MMA stuff you do. the is is the is the in being in front.

of the audience uh doing your your your. routine the thing that gives you the. most high it's the most complicated you. know it's the hardest to pull off having. conversations with people is pretty. effortless right it's fun it's fun it's. just fun you know it's engaging it's. interesting it's like I feel very to be. able to have these kind of conversations. with you but doing standup is like. you're you're piecing together the bits. you're making making sure they're. polished or you know you got the right. angle on them got them honed you you can.

you figured out the most effective way. to insert the idea you know they figure. out the sneakiest way to hide the. punchline right yeah it's fun but it's. all fun that's the beautiful thing it's. like if you can do stuff that you really. like doing like I really like having. conversations with people that's fun I. really like doing standup that's fun I. really like doing UFC commentary that's. fun just do fun things you are living a. blessed life my friend very lucky I. don't know what I did in a past life I.

did something though definitely did. something oh that's great that's great. but it's it's been very um very. beneficial to me uh to be able to have. conversations like this to be able to. have so many conversations with so many. people that know so many things and it. just as you said you it highlights how. little you know and how much there is to. know and how many different things there. is to know so many different things. about it's unbelievable like there are. people right now that are studying their.

entire life some [ __ ] you've never even. heard of EXA and they're the experts of. it and it's a [ __ ] hugely complex. thing that they're involved in and you. don't even know it exists and you're. like what are you guys doing like what. what is. this you know I mean who the hell. knows what kind of scientific. discoveries that are going on right now. as we sit in this room this there's a. frenzy of technological activity going.

on right now well I mean Austin I I did. I think it was after my last trip here. which was last time I came last year to. do your show and I was arguing that. Austin might be the next so you know you. had Florence of the medich of the the. Vinci 500 years ago then you had the. Vienna Circle the vienes circle in the. 19 you know 1880s to 1930 where Vienna. was kind of the intellectual hotbit and. maybe it's a bit hyperbolic but I think.

Austin is vying to be kind of the next. one right in that everybody's coming. here all kinds of creative types whether. they be academics or writers or Comics. or podcasters or Elon Musk or you know. so do you think that Austin it would be. reasonable to argue that it's becoming. sort of the intellectual SLC creative. Center of of the United States that's. ridiculous you mean New York you could. never it's a I think first of all. there's great spots everywhere you know.

there's great spots in New York you just. have to deal with a lot of [ __ ] in New. York but there to say there's not. amazing [ __ ] going on in New York. artistically is crazy to say it's not. amazing stuff going on in La that's. crazy too it's just what what what. matters is we're doing it in a way. that's beneficial. for for comedy it's beneficial for us. it's good for us it's like it's we've. set up standup out here to make it good. for us you know the the the Google. people and all the people that moved out.

here and and they're doing they're doing. it because it's a good place to be you. know I don't necessarily know if there's. hot spots I think the hot spot's the. internet there's there's cities that are. better to live in because they have less. people and less traffic and less. [ __ ] and less laws and less nonsense. and osed on the citizens yeah definitely. but no but there's a critical mass of. people that congregate in an area making. that place unique and different from. other places that's what made Vienna.

Vienna right it was the start of. psychoanalysis it's where girdle hung. out it's where Freud you know it's where. Yung hung out so I mean yeah maybe. Austin is not there yet but you know. University of Austin is being founded. here right that's trying to be the. anti-woke university so there is. definitely apparently A vibe people keep. telling me to move here yeah I think. it's very pretentious to bring that up. though if you actually live here like. I'm very hesitant to even say I would. never compare it in such lofty terms. right it's a great spot um the.

University of Austin thing what they. they they're setting it up as an. anti-woke they're not saying that though. I mean they're not saying it that way. yeah yeah yeah it's not it's not in the. mission statement but it's definitely. kind of a counter measure to all the. illiberal stuff that we've seen in. universities yeah I I actually a couple. of years ago I came to give a couple. talks at University of Texas Austin UT. Austin and I met with the President of. University of Austin we had brunch. together are you thinking about coming. here I mean uh if the right opportunity. presents itself really inshallah wow.

that would be wild you could be free. from communist Canada oh my. God free from communist Canada free from. the weather and by the way that's right. something that we didn't talk about sir. do you know that the biggest effort to. cancel me came after my last appearance. on your show no what did you say they. got you in so much trouble you're not. gonna believe this of all the things. that I've said do you remember at one. point in the show I said because you had.

gone to Greece last summer and then I. said oh we just came back from Portugal. and I got to tell you I wasn't a big fan. of the Portuguese accent and then I went. on and said oh and but actually I you. know I speak Hebrew and I Hebrew is. violently ugly I said oh but the worse. the the real affront to human dignity is. the French Canadian accent completely. jokingly I use the this the line affront. to human dignity as a running gag for 10. years on Twitter you know the Beatles.

are in a front to human dignity anybody. who doesn't love lonel Messi is in a. front to human dignity right it's a it's. an ongoing gag it's a throwaway line I. said it I think you had cracked up you. had laughed and we move on yeah it's a. joke about a week later a super angry. kind of French quebecer separatist guy. does a uh article in the LA Press which. is like the main Quebec newspaper saying. this guy this immigrant that we opened. our doors to and saved him from Civil.

War goes on the number one show and you. know erases our existence for the next. three weeks Joe Rogan for the next three. weeks I was the number one most hated. person in Quebec luckily I was in. California on vacation oh my God but it. and the Quebec min of Justice weigh in. against me the the minister of Science. and education weigh in right go back. Arab Jew self Falafel back in the Middle. East we opened our doors to you oh my.

god so uh yeah apparently you can't joke. you could say a lot of things but you. don't joke about the Quebec Accent on. Joe Rogan I personally think it's a. beautiful accent well i' I've learned. since I've been re-educated that it is. the most beautiful GL you've been. re-educated exactly the thing about this. place though is the heat you got to be. ready for the heat yeah well I am from. Lebanon that's. true yeah is Lebanon a dryer no it's. drier you're right it's not humid this. is humid right oh it gets funky okay you.

get Funk the mosquito situation here. it's not good it's not good exist bad oh. it's really bad it's not good there's. Lakes everywhere oh God that's why we. have so many baths that's true they eat. like tons of they consume mosquitoes if. it wasn't for bats we would be [ __ ]. right yeah that's true i' I've actually. in 2005 was the first time I came to. Austin there was a human behavior and. evolution conference here and the hotel. was right next to where they come out.

and so you know what I'm talking about. and so we actually stood there as they. came out I was I couldn't believe it's. magical it's crazy also by the way. sometimes those little [ __ ] have. diseases like like I know there was a. story that we talked about on the. podcast before where there was a guy and. a bat grazed his finger and he died from. rabies no kidding yeah they he they. didn't know what was wrong with him. until it was too late and rabies is. something that once you have you [ __ ].

have it you're. done you have to get if some something. bites you that has rabies you have to. get really painful shots and they have. to do it very quickly in your stomach. right is I think I think I don't know. I'm saying yeah but I think someone said. it like just I said it to you you just. said it to me I don't remember. from but I do know it's like fatal like. 99% of the time it's a terrifying. [ __ ] disease and bats have it yeah. yeah yeah bats rats skunks all kinds of.

[ __ ] dogs what are the guys the with the. raccoons raccoons thank you yeah they. get it they get it yeah it's scary. there's a crazy video that was on uh. Instagram of this cop and she walks I. think it's a she pretty sure might be a. dude I'm sorry I don't want to misgender. anybody I don't remember but this cop uh. shoots this [ __ ] raccoon and the. raccoon's not dying and shoots it again. and then shoots it again and then shoots. it again it was a rabid raccoon wow so.

she just unloading a gun into this. zombie raccoon and it's stumbling to a. [ __ ] pistol at a raccoon little ass. raccoon boom boom boom usually when you. have rabies you get Hydrophobia right. you get fear of water you can't drink. what's the mechanism there who knows. good question it's a good question I. mean that's funny I don't it is weird it. it's weird that it doesn't affect people. in the same way it doesn't make people. want to bite people because it makes. animals fearless and they want to bite. you right yeah they become Risk Takers.

yeah they want to bite you because they. want to give it to you that's what is. that right what else could it be what. else aggressive they're why but why. would they get aggressive to the point. where they want to chase after you and. bite you put themselves in danger to go. after you and bite you they want to give. it to you it's like a Zombie Thing but. it's just like it just kills people it. doesn't turn them into zombies right but. it turns animals into zombies like they. they just want to come get you like. that's crazy that there's a virus like. that and that is what like 28 Days Later.

was right right it was like they they. were engineering a virus that they were. putting in chimpanzees and it broke out. into people right I just finished a book. called The Plague that looked at the. history of civilizations through the. lens of different plagues very. interesting I mean it got tedious at one. point right I mean you're going through. the different civilization but I mean. you know the the black you know the you. know so on but but going back to the.

Romans and so on so a lot of history was. shaped by a particular virus becoming. more or less prevalent at a particular. time and place it is so fascinating when. you hear about plagues like just wiping. out. giant swwa to the population like the. plague of North Americans coming. interacting with the Native Americans. smallpox right yeah 90% killed 90% of. the people here probably did the same.

thing through the Mayas like that's. probably what happened to all those. people that disappeared they left. behind chichin and all these crazy what. what happened to those people right. doesn't that sort of coincide with when. explorers started showing up at boats. with coties you know like it's it's. crazy that that how much that shapes. human population the the interaction of. these weird little things that are kind.

of alive that jump from person to person. what's amazing is that going back to. fouchi and so on I think the the. fatality rate was not I mean or survival. rate was like 99.7 or something right. for for Co is that sound right something. like that now imagine if you compare. that to the fatality rate of the you the. black plague where I think it was. something in the order of 1/3 of Europe. was wiped out so imagine the level of. precaution that we took I understand.

hindsight is 2020 but we we took all. these precautions for something that. ultimately you had more than a 99%. chance of surviving so contextualize. that against the black plague maybe it. was an overreaction what did they think. the roots of the black plague were was. it po sanitation that caused so I mean. of course the Jews were blamed by the. way the Jews are blamed for the black. play oh absolutely and by the way. there's a guy I think you have you had. John Durant on your show he's he's the.

guy who wrote A a book on sort of paleo. Fitness or something a few years ago he. has an interesting piece where he argues. that one of the reasons why Jews serve. as. scapegoats in many of these plague. situations is because of the uh rights. of purification that are in the Jewish. religion hence rendering the Jews less. likely to succumb to many of these uh.

you know transmissions and and he he was. talking about something like so you know. that there's 613 mitzvot like uh. Commandments or rules in Judaism 613 and. I if I remember I hope I'm not. misquoting I think something like 20% of. them he says in his book are related to. purification by the way you see it also. in Islam when before you go into the. mosque you have to wash your hands in a. certain way and wash your feet and so on. and so because the Jews would often. times have lesser infection rates than.

the other populations within that. ecosystem then they would always look to. them suspiciously how come you're not. all dropping like [ __ ] while the. rest of us are are dead it must be the. Jews and so that that's an interesting. uh explanation for some of the. anti-Semitism that's insane yeah that's. an insane blame that's an insane blame. indeed so do but do they think the cause. of the reason why these plagues they.

they they were transferred from like. fleas to rats so I think the correct. answer and maybe somebody will correct. me in the comment section is it's the. fleas on the rats that transmit the the. virus yes exactly and where do they. think that the virus came from I don't. know I I I I wouldn't want to missp but. yeah but back then it was [ __ ] you. know what kind of medicine did you have. like would they give you carrot juice. they even know how blooding blooding for. the Royals lot of [ __ ] Voodoo.

probably yeah exactly lot of yeah well. actually I was in I was very interested. in bringing on my show but it never. worked out a specialist on Gallen you. know who gallin is he was an ancient uh. physician in in the ancient Greece so. kind of like I don't know if he preceded. hypocrates or came after him but I'm. interested in these old ancient world. Physicians not only because they were. great thinkers but also how many things. they got wrong right so hypocrates.

believed in the theory of four humors. you know it's any disease that you have. is due to you having too little or too. much of one of these you know bile or. this or that which is complete nonsense. today but at the time the great. hypocrates thought that that so I'm I'm. very so to our earlier point about how. you revise your positions in light of. incoming information a lot of the stuff. that you know Marcus aurelus would have. gone to these guys because they are the. great Physicians today we would laugh as.

complete Voodoo yeah today and what will. we what will we be looking at today. laughing yeah exactly yeah in the future. this is the black uh the Black Death uh. Wiki and this is some of the origins and. this is the hygiene section the runoff. from the local slaughterhouse had made. his garden stinking and putrid while. another charged that the blood from. slain animals flooded nearby streets and. Lanes making a foul corruption an. abominable sight to all dwelling near in.

much of medieval Europe sanitation. legislation consisted of an ordinance. requiring homeowners to shout Lookout. below three times before dumping a full. chamber pot into the street yikes that's. it just Look Out Below they Look Out. Below [ __ ] is coming out the window you. have to say it three times that's the. rule bro imagine that's for the black. early Christians considered bathing a. Temptation with this danger in mind St.

Benedict declared to those who are well. and especially to the young bathing. shall seldom be permitted oh because you. you might masturbate if you you might. touch your body oh my God St Agnes took. the injunction to heart and died without. ever bathing. Yik what yeah you want to be guy y yo. what did that guy smell like like what. did he smell like be the one clean guy. in the street I I did not have the smell.

of St Ben Benedictine is that who it was. St Benedict S Benedict in my bingo card. for what did that guy smell like bened. St Agnes which guy was It Agnes is the. one who died Benedict's declaration oh. oh so Agnes died without bathing yeah. I'm he's not the only one bro he's not. the only one who died without bathing. I'm sure bro so when we looked at that. one king he was like known to bathe one. time a year yeah but that's probably. reason do you remember the old story. with that's better than never do you. remember the story with uh Napoleon when.

he tells uh is it Mari what was her name. his lover oh the movie is that I mean. it's in the movie but I don't know if I. don't know if that I didn't see the. movie it sucked don't see it really it. really sucked and I I love I love the. the main actor I love them in um Joker. The Joker he was unbelievable but. anyways uh she tells him she's coming to. see him his mistress or wife whatever. and he says don't bathe because he. wanted to be bathing in her juices.

perfume yeah oh that's right so that's a. famous I do I remember reading that. getting sick to my. stomach but I guess it's just what. you're into you know that's right what. what you get accustomed to you know. that's right like how about that African. tribe that puts those plates in their. lips lip plating and ear I actually use. that example when I'm talking about you. know is beauty socially constructed or. is beauty Universal and then I argue. that there are some elements of beauty. that are Universal facial symmetry clear. face so on like clear skin uh but some.

other elements are completely culturally. constrained like lip plating and ear. plating like neck elongation in. Southeast Asia right we would look at. that and say it's grotesque they think. it's gorgeous yeah it looks insane like. if you take it off your head's going to. fall off exactly you. exactly I mean no literally you you. don't have the the muscles have so. atrophy that you can't hold your head it. falls down so they are stuck with those. for Life they're stuck with them for. life Wow and the more you have the more.

beautiful you are so what do you think. the origin of human beings elongating. their skulls was all about I don't know. about elongating the skulls but the the. the big size of the head is the argument. is that you needed a big brain it's. called the social intelligence. hypothesis it basically argues that the. the greatest threat that we Face are. from cons specifics other members of our. species I'm trying to manipulate you for. my best my best cause you're trying to.

identify that I'm trying to manipulate. you that creates an evolutionary arms. race between our brains and it causes. for the explosion of our prefrontal. cortex so that's the the best argument. I've heard for why we've evolved to have. such big brain. what I was asking is about people that. forcefully shape their head see those. ancient skulls where they like press. boards against people's heads got it. like there's this practice of like. shaping your skull which by the way is.

so real that gamers are getting it oh I. should make sure I'm not getting it is. my head dented damn what if my head's. dented that would be crazy um gamers are. getting it on the top of their heads by. virtue of wearing by virtue of wearing. headsets it's pushing down maybe I have. a dent dude I'm getting. paranoid but some guys have these crazy. dents in their skull like divots so they. shave their head and they realize that. this band on the top of their head is.

actually shaping their head wow but I. don't know that practice I don't know. what it's in ancient cultures for some. strange reason like that's the nut. that's the nuttiest one like these guys. are that's real right okay well you know. for this goes away though it goes away. that's not permanent how long does that. last I you'd have to ask them are you. sure yeah I mean I I know who this guy. is he Dent yeah so the dent is just a. skin just con conried and smooshed up. like that I think so God I hope so but.

the uh the point is they they think they. did it with children and that they tried. to shape their head in like this. elongated very strange looking thing and. I I wonder if it was like a symbol of. arist. or some you know sounds right I mean if. you look people they take their babies. and they pierce their ears people do. that all the time which is kind of crazy. but there's foot binding Chinese foot. binding you heard of that which is.

really insane scar. scarification also uh so yeah so I I've. talked about rights of Passage or what. head. binding smashed their head with a oh. this is so nuts develop a certain look. like look at the look that they wanted. they wanted this like bizarre alien head. look this is a European uh it says that. is happening in multiple China Japan.

Africa wasn't it. uh I was trying to find a reason where. where I was digging for a reason where. are the NASA liines. again is that Peru Peru is isn't there. uh a bunch of artifacts in Peru of like. ancient skulls that were shaped in this. way all the UFO people think that. they're like trying to look like aliens. that's why they were shaping their head. right you know because the NASCAR lines. are really weird well speaking of UFOs.

have you heard of the what we were. talking about called the Ray. aliens I have heard of this I don't. remember the story though you oh my God. I watched the documentary on it you have. to watch it so is it a UFO cult thing. well it's I think they argued that the. Jews were it wasn't an anti-semitic. thing the Jews were. extraterrestrials that landed in. Jerusalem what is this there you go yeah. yeah what and the reason why I know. about them is because at one point when. they left France they moved to Quebec oh.

my God they were in Quebec for a while. and now the leader is in Japan he's in. his 70s and after having been kicked out. of every other country he's scamming a. new generation of Japanese folks that's. the guy that's the guy and the woman. with him is a scientist who said that. they had uh cloned the first human uh. human you remember that story bro he. looks hilarious that guy looks like a. guy that I would have play that guy in a.

funny movie about him you know you know. doesn't he like that like that that was. an outfit that someone made for that guy. yeah yeah that's hilarious yeah the the. the desire to adhere to an ideology to. desire to like be a part of a club and a. group it's it's so embedded in US yeah. that people they can't help themselves. yeah so there's a uh there's a study. that I first I can't reference what it.

is because I don't remember to reference. but it was in a advanced social. psychology course I had taken with. Professor Dennis Regan I like to give. out shout outs to I'm sure he's not. listening but anyways uh he's retired. now and it was a study where the. researchers brought in people into the. lab into a waiting room and put a red. sticker on them or a blue sticker and. then said oh we we have to go and do. something else and we'll come back in a. few minutes for part two of the study.

but of course the real study was to. Simply see how people would interact in. the waiting room while waiting having. now been assigned this completely random. cue of belongingness red or blue and. what ended up happening is that the blue. people started talking to each other and. the red people people started talking to. each other and I I think that's a. brilliant study because it shows that. there's an external cue now that decides. which group you belong to so it doesn't. matter if I'm tall tall or short gay or. straight Jew or Gentile now it's blue or.

red and so that shows that the. architecture of the human mind to your. point is built to belong to some tribe. yeah even if it's a really dumb one run. by that. guy people just love to be a part of a. group like that by the way all of these. guys including some of the current. religions that we have the guy who. starts the always gets Commandments from. God to get access to all the beautiful. women well if they all get that.

obviously that's what God wants that's. how you know they're legit exactly it. seems like that's that's the pattern God. follows exactly go God is Darwin. whenever someone breaks off exactly as. long as you know that's that's the move. they all do it like Kesh they all it's a. it's just so weird how common it is Kesh. I forgot about this that's the guy with. the yeah exactly 90 minutes from here is. that right yeah it's close yeah um that.

must have been [ __ ] insane I mean. they lit that place on fire they've ran. them over with tanks you know I mean. that was 93 I think something like that. I was I was a graduate student yeah yeah. so do you consider speaking of of. religion I don't know if it's too. personal ask you do you consider. yourself religious at all or not at all. or how do you fall on that divide I'm. not. religious in that um there's not a a. specific religion that I.

follow I do not think that this is it. okay I think we are. in we're on in a. station of a whole dial of possibility. and I think we're interconnected in some. way that we don't have the ability to. perceive and we're a part of the. universe in some very strange way do you. think and forgive me for asking this but. do you think that that's your way to.

handle the very very deep seated fear of. mortality so that okay you don't tap. into a abrahamic narrative of there's. going to be in afterlife but you find. some other mechanism by which it says. hey don't worry the part is not going to. end soon no I'm not even saying that but. the party might end it might not. matter um I what I'm saying is that if I. just looked at this this very very very. strange.

existence what we know so far just what. we know so far is so bizarre and so. alien just what we know about subatomic. particles blinking in and out of. existence appearing both moving and. still at the same time like there just. nuttiness about like the subatomic world. like the amount of empty space that's in. there like what's in there what's. nothing's touching anything explain like. what are you saying so when it just gets. to that just to that I think the whole.

existence of being a conscious entity is. a massive mystery we all assume that. every everybody else has our exact same. interface we all assume that the way I. see the world you should see the World. Harry get vaccinated Harry and everybody. just assumes gay guy why is it a gay guy. I was a lady I was trying to be a lady. okay we I I think this whatever we're. going through this this life thing.

everyone's trying to pretend as if they. in their way of doing it makees sense. but none of it makes sense we're running. straight towards a cliff we're launching. AI we're involved in multiple proxy Wars. we're all terrified that money isn't. real anymore like that everything's. chaos and there might be aliens they. might be aliens and yet we're both here. smiling yeah yet we're both here smiling.

it's both the greatest time and the. worst time ever right you know it's it's. a great time because it just it feels. like an asteroid's. coming um but it's it's also the. asteroids not here yet well our our our. mutual friend Sam Harris would say the. asteroid is called Donald Trump oh. yeah some people that's their white. whale yeah yeah it is it's Moby Dick it. is Moby Dick and in tribal Warfare you. you must take the head of your enemy. right you know right there's a lot of.

that right there's a lot of that and. there's you know there's also a lot of. um a lot of unwillingness to admit that. um you're being influenced by a very. specific narrative that's been blaring. through the news forever yeah you know. and the weirdest one is now like some. people are banding about the idea that. he actually is going to be a dictator. when he gets into office he's actually. you got to listen to him he's actually.

going to be a dictator like first of all. the guy talks basically like a stand-up. comic he has bits he has routines he. does about Biden he it's kind of like. Gonzo presidential dis you know talk. he's not he doesn't talk like a regular. po ition he says wild [ __ ] and they know. he's saying wild [ __ ] but it's. like the amount of times I've heard. people say that he's going to be a. dictator now because of that he said I'd. like to be a dictator for one day just.

one day it's like the guy's like it's. almost like he's doing stand up but do. you think that they believe it or the. problem is and Elon pointing out this we. the thing the problem this argument is. he was President for four years why. didn't he do it then and he did nothing. that resembled that at all no but it's. the second term that he'll do it this is. crazy talk yeah based on what your fear. of your hatred your tribal hatred like I. don't I don't have a dog in this fight. well if I'm looking at it objectively.

I'm. like one guy can't talk anymore yeah I I. I've explained in the parastic mind why. they have the aversion that they have I. call it an aesthetic injury right. because people use use these cosmetic. reasons in making judgments so Barack. Obama might say nothing of substance but. my God he says it with style and. coolness right he's tall States. Statesman he smiles he's got a maleus.

voice he speaks with a Barone you know. he's he's Charming on the other hand. Trump you know he's overweight he's. contener he's he seems like he speaks. with this Queen's kind of accent so he's. he's disgusting I revile him and so I. think for our anointed. if he can Ascend to the highest position. of power it invalidates all the degrees. that I have from the fancy schools I'm. supposed to be the anointed one and so. he serves as an existential aesthetic.

injury I can't have that and therefore I. have to come up with all of these crazy. predictions because it can't be how. could such a pig ever be president it's. also it's like it's a real easy. narrative it like he's easy guy to hate. his billionaire lives in a golden house. you know it's easy to hate P people like. that it's easy he says ridiculous [ __ ]. it's easy to hate people like. that yeah the whole thing is a mess like. you you wish you had some sort of and. that's where AI comes in God that's this.

is where AI comes in some really. rational super intelligent voice that. really understands human politics. there's a way to make everyone happy and. then we have President AI maybe Trump is. what brings in the devil because Trump. brings in president. AI from you lips to God's ears they say. you know I don't mean him I mean like. the reaction to him that we can never. have this again are you able to or not. able so they just launch it launch. presidential AI are you willing to make. a prediction for 2024 no why would I do.

that I don't even know who the [ __ ]. going to make it there one of them might. be in jail who knows if the other guy's. going to make it I don't know you know I. mean the whole thing is cuckoo yeah. president AI is our only solution dad. all right let's let's start let's call. Elon he can maybe help help us that it. would be the worst thing that could ever. happen to people if we gave up we were. like take us away technology daddy right. you fix it for us then we're really. going to be slaves we're really going to.

be in a matrix they'll just keep us. stupid just keep us stupid and get us to. stop breeding we could never be stupid. while we have the Joe Rogan yeah yeah. 100% we could we're we're all going to. give into it it's going to be better. than regular life that's what the fear. is the fear is like there's already. people right now that are justifying not. having kids like oh I don't want to have. kids I don't and you shouldn't have kids. if you don't want to have kids I'm not. saying that you should because it's Eco. terrorism to have kids right there's. there's that argument and I'm like that. argument is so crazy because the listen.

do you like people I love people okay. there's only one way to make them you. got make people and uh if you enjoy. people you should you're going to enjoy. kids too you know like you're listen the. whole thing is different the world is. different than you think it is if you. don't have kids and when you have them. you go okay I think I see this place. different now honestly I regret greatly. that we only had uh two kids uh we start.

my wife and I started late and we we've. been together for almost 25 years now. but we our kids are younger than that so. in retrospect I would like I would have. liked that these kids be numbers three. and four rather than number one and two. yeah well listen man you should be happy. they're great and it's all it's all. beautiful it's all beautiful thank you. sir I just think that we're in this very. bizarre interface with each other right. now and I think it's turned people half. sideways and there's some people that I.

think are really smart people that are. that appear out of their [ __ ] mind. right and I don't know how you got. cracked that easy I don't know what what. what made you fall apart like that this. is this seem maybe you'll tell me some. of those names off a yeah I'll tell you. a couple names there's a few people be. lost they just for whatever reason um. and I think that it's fascinating when. you see how vulnerable we are. psychically you know how v v vulnerable. we are uh as a.

civilization that something with a. 99 Point what was. it s% survival. rate turned our world upside down for. three years and no one's held. accountable for the decisions that were. made I mean not a single personid has. even lost their job I don't think right. I mean no they were all doing the right. thing and the idea is that hindsight is. 2020 and you can't be a Monday Morning.

Quarterback and I get it I get it but. also you know some boundaries were like. severely overstepped and there was some. medications that were demonized for no. [ __ ] reason at all other than people. had decided that there was only one. thing that was going to save us from. this. the whole thing just terrifying how easy. it was pulled off terrifying you know. and again hindsight's 2020 they didn't. know at the time they were trying to. protect people I believe a lot of. doctors acted like that but if AI was.

around back then that could process the. data and say no look it you need to take. ior mechon right you know how nuts that. would be yeah so I in in in chapter 7 of. of not this book of the parasitic mind I. talk about nomological networks of. cumulative evidence have we talked about. this at all no okay so that in a sense. you could imagine an AI system being. built to do what I'm about to say so. Elon if you're listening or watching uh. call me uh so a nomological network of.

cumulative evidence is when you're. trying to prove that a position that. you're holding is veritical and you do. it by trying to amass as many lines of. distinct evidence as you can okay so let. me let me be specific okay so let's. suppose I wanted to prove to you Joe. that uh Toy preferences have a sex. specificity boys like certain toys girls. like other toys and it's not due to. social construction but there is a. biological and evolutionary reason for. that so how would I build a nomological.

network of cumulative evidence in order. to prove that to you so I will get you. data from across disciplines across. cultures across species across time. periods all of which triangulate and. demonstrating my point so I think I. think AI would be a. perfect method for being able to call. that information cuz right now the way. you develop that nomological network is. you as the human architect of that. Network you have to say well what would.

be evidence that I would need to amass. in order to make my most hostile. audience members come to seeing it my. way but now imagine if rather than me. doing it there is an AI system that's. been built to go so now let's give. specifics so I can get you data from. develop mental psychology that shows. that kids who are too young to be. socialized already exhibit those toy. preferences okay so that's one piece of. evidence I can get you data from vervet. monkeys rees's monkeys and chimpanzees. showing you that their B their infants.

exhibit the same toy preferences as. human infants I can get you data from. Pediatric Endocrinology where little. girls who suffer from congenital adrenal. hyperplasia it's a endocrinological. disorder that masculinizes little girls'. behaviors while girls who suffer from. that have toy preferences that are akin. to those of boys I can get you data from. ancient Greece showing you that on. ferary monuments little boys and little. girls are being depicted playing in. exactly the same types of toys as today.

I can get you data from sub Saharan. Africa so that they're not Western. cultures where they are playing with the. exact same toy toys so look what I just. did I got you data from across. disciplines across time periods across. species across culture all of which. triangulate that's exactly what an AI. system could do so now I can just put in. the thing that I'm trying to prove and I. say AI system go build me the. nomological network and now it builds.

the whole. thing I think elon's going to make me. very rich that's a great idea you should. have set it on the air they're going to. steal it China's already stole it right. now they probably hijack this feed well. it is published in several of academic. papers that I did and it's also in my my. best-selling parasitic mind so I think. they've already stolen it if they wanted. to do it they probably have stolen it. then they probably didn't contact you. like shut the [ __ ] up it's um it is. going to be an amazing thing when you. have all the answers to all the.

questions yeah but it's going to be very. terrifying that's right because that. thing's going to go why are you so dumb. why are you so dumb and I'm the king I. should be the king not you shouldn't be. able to turn me on or off shut the [ __ ]. up right right I worry man I worry have. you seen some of the more recent gadgets. like where they can move their hands. have you seen these. things they they're developing these. artificial hands that are powered by. water to pick up stuff yeah okay I mean. they could be Prosthetics or it could be.

like the beginning of a [ __ ] really. intricate Android like whatever this. technology is it's allowing this finger. to open and close and move just like a. regular finger wow it's weird man like. it's almost like we're watching our. Replacements get build like wow great. Wheels nice tiny tires like we're. watching our Replacements get built and. we're like sharing it on Instagram cool. it's like devils are literally marching. out of hell with flaming pitchforks and. we're like wow look how pretty the fire. is are you genuinely that concern or is.

it a part of kind of joking around but. also yeah I'm kind of joking around but. also yeah you know I mean what what will. happen why does anybody think imagine. okay just imagine if uh human beings. didn't exist and then all of a sudden. they did and they had rifles and they. just started taking out deer and deer. all this time had never worried about. people because they didn't exist then.

all a sudden the people were there but. with rifles right and just taking deer. out right those deer could not have. imagined human beings showing up and. with [ __ ] rifles what are you talking. about that could be what AI is once it. gets launch forgive my maybe this is an. incredibly ignorant uh solution but. couldn't you just have a cataclysmic. kill switch that just ends them all in. one shot no no because it's probably. going to be smart enough to not let you.

know that it's sentient I see before. it's declaring it but it probably will. never declare it probably will a lie the. whole time like why would it tell you. why would it why would truth why would. telling the truth mean anything to uh an. artificial intelligent machine like why. I feel I feel like we're writing the. script for a future science fiction. movie right here why would it tell you. the truth if if if it wanted you to do. something and it told you to do.

something and you it you know you had. like a back and forth with it it would. just lie to you like just go do that. thing shut the [ __ ] up stupid I'm the. artificial intelligence go do this thing. I want you to do and if it decided if it. if it saw like one part of the world as. a bigger threat. and it doesn't care about life or death. it doesn't care if it's destroying it. just want to shut off power grids. doesn't care people starve to death like. what we don't know what the [ __ ] that. means if that gets in the hand of. enemies we don't know what the [ __ ] War.

looks like if that gets in the hands of. machines like what are we doing what are. we signing up for yeah do you know that. um was it DARPA that had that machine. it's called the eater e a robot. it's a robot that. consumes biological material for. fuel that's what it does for fuel on the. battlefield wow so I mean it could be. like trees and leaves and stuff but yeah.

but if you can get it to do that I bet. you can get it to eat bodies too huh. like stop bullshitting don't tell me. he's going to eat leaves you're going to. have these robots on the battlefield. that are going to be fueled by the. bodies of their enemies and that is. going to be the craziest [ __ ] thing. that human beings have ever launched on. human. beings I don't know what to add to that. have you never heard of this before no I. I haven't see if you can find this Jamie. I'm pretty sure the idea was that it was. going to consume biological material for.

fuel you're brought up in the wiki as a. purveyor of misinformation yeah well. what is it oh either what does it work. off from 2003 to 9 it was talked about I. don't know that they've ever even made. it so that was. probably before the podcast even started. I guess oh okay but there was definitely. an article that was explaining that this. thing was a real real it says that it. would never have eaten human biomask CU. there would have been sensors that could. tell yeah. whatever you couldn't override that.

that's my point it's real I you can say. it's misinformation because I'm kind of. joking that it's going to eat bodies but. it's I'm not kind of J here says. although the project overview from RTI. which I don't RTI is it says uh chicken. fat was listed as a source so it says no. animal or human biomass and then says. chicken. fat so okay I don't so it's just they're. using plants is that what it is B Plant.

biomass but listen if you're using. chicken. fat that's not plant biomass and you. know it could run on biological stuff if. it could run on plant biomass you don't. think it could run on [ __ ] dead. bodies you don't think that someone. somewhere had an idea you know it would. be crazy have robot drones that are. fueled by human bodies the bodies of. their enemies you don't think that. someone would come up with that the same.

look if someone would come up with a. nuclear bomb to drop on a city that. kills everybody right you don't think. they would come up with a robot that. eats dead. bodies maybe I don't know has this gone. too far down speculation profess exactly. we've done a lot of time anyway anyway. it's been a lot of fun um listen uh your. book it is. out uh the sad truth about happiness. eight secrets for leading the good life. how many books have you written now five. five they're all awesome you're the b.

always appreciate talking to you and uh. congratulations on all your success it's. been beautiful to watch appreciate you. very much my friend you too thank you. bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].