Joe Rogan Experience #2140 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day all right my British friends what. the [ __ ] happening good to see you. guys good to be back man it's uh the. world just I always hope that next time. we see each other things would calm. down have a happy podcast well we're not. freaking out and filled with existential. crisis and doom it's kind of weird right.

like life is good but the world's on. fire uh-huh I think that's one of the. reasons why life is good it's a [ __ ]. up thought but I really believe that we. only appreciate true like uh camaraderie. and community and friendship if there's. like a real feeling of possible Doom. like hovering in the air and the times. where you could just be together have a. drink with friends and hug each other. that's when it really feels good like. when when when things.

are too easy I think people find more. problems and get filled with more. anxiety but when there's real fear then. you could like look at your friends like. I love you man each other cuz like we. could die tonight it could be all over. yeah no one's talking about the trans. debate in Afghanistan you know what I. mean 100% yeah 100% they've solved that. yeah they're really not interested in. drag queen Story Hour they're just. [ __ ] shoot you and throw you in a.

burn pit like shut up no it is it's so. interesting like it's schools are like. that if you go into a really nice school. with really nice kids the teachers hate. each other they're all there going can. you believe what he said about her and. she said about him and you know what. they're doing in their lesson they're. not following the syllabus when you work. in a [ __ ] storm where every time you. walk into the building you're like it's. not on fire you know what you've got. more friends than ever in the staff room. because you have to be together yeah I I.

think that's a a real issue with human. beings I I think we're just so hardwired. to be prepared for tribal conflict. Predators attacking I think it's just. inescapable in the very fiber of our. core like whatever it is whatever our. DNA is whatever epig epigenetic memory. whatever the [ __ ] is in our system it. just seems to. expect horrible things happening and if. they're not they find mundane things to.

be horrible. microaggressions the dumbest [ __ ] to be. upset with because you don't have real. [ __ ] to be upset with and so you go. looking and then also the f one of the. things with microaggressions and a lot. of those things is people find Value. like perceived value in being a victim. of something and so they they start. pushing and they real I'm getting. results by pushing like we were talking. earlier about people that like kind of. create fake narratives because they like. they see a grift they see a business to. get into it's not really their opinion.

and how annoying those people are to. talk to that's what that is it's like. you're not really upset you just know. that you can say you're upset and then. people go oh I'm sorry you're upset and. then all of a sudden we have this little. scenario where you're the Highlight. you're you're you're getting focus on. you and online it's not just oh you're. upset it's like you're upset here's a. million dollars and 10 billion clicks on. your video right so the incentive. structures pushing this and you see it I. think happening across the political. Spectrum now where people are really. going heavy on the victim Hood like we.

are oppressed there's a conspiracy. against me Etc and gets rewarded 100%. And it's it's a weakness and and it's a. sign of a society that has not really. experienced too much conflict on its. actual soil our conflict is all. self-created our conflict is all crime. in our own communities our conflict is. all defund the police our conflict is. you know whatever there's not real the. the [ __ ] that's happening in Ukraine. right now or the [ __ ] that's happening. in Israel right now like that's real.

conflict and when you don't have real. conflict you find conflict unfortunately. yeah it's it's kind of the way we're. programmed we're programmed to want to. search for conflict look for conflict. engage in Conflict yeah and it it's. always way just to take it back to the. Starr point I found it so interesting on. a psychological level that people would. bicker about the smallest of things and. they would blow it up into this big. thing because it was easy to teach you. had an easy job comparatively speaking.

you're not going to get that upset about. a microaggression when someone's about. to throw a chair at your head CU you're. dealing with an aggression aggression. people need [ __ ] to do they really do. yeah I almost feel like there should be. a nationally mandated morning run that. everybody has to go on like the whole. country it's 7:00 in the morning. everyone's got to run a mile I know. that's that's Mile's not even that far. but just [ __ ] one mile everybody you. know how much better the country's. attitude would be if the if we all. agreed that to have like a mandated.

morning workout together it sounds crazy. like that's the solution but what it is. it's injecting a difficult a physically. and mentally difficult thing to do first. especially for people that are out of. shape to do first thing in the morning a. physical mental challenge the first. thing of your day and I guarantee the. rest of the day people be like what a. big deal a lot of the things would be.

like what's the big deal and also you'd. realize the value of doing something. that's difficult to do which most people. don't do ever most people run away from. that like like it's a [ __ ] nuclear. fire I think one of the other reasons as. well that people are struggling meaning. and purpose is that you know this whole. thing about the population not being. replaced enough and we're not having. enough kids well it's not so much that. women aren't having as many kids as they. used to it's that fewer women are having. kids that means far fewer people are now.

parents and like when you become a. parent it sort of changes your outlook. on things and if you had a lack of. meaning and purpose you quickly find it. at least in providing for this tiny. thing that is entirely dependent on you. I've certainly found that I I've found. that too I think I think it also opens. up a an I mean for lack of better term. like a window in your soul where you. understand love and like Dave Chappelle. said this to me once we were talking. about having kids we were in the back of. the comedy store and he said not only as. it increased the amount of love he goes.

it's increased my capacity for love I'm. like that's brilliant that's it that's. what it is it changes everything it. changes everything changes everything. and also you realize like oh these are. all babies everybody's a baby that grew. up I had that exact experience where I. was like I started seeing people and now. I go oh they were like my son once yeah. and it just put me in a completely. different place in terms it made me 80%. more compassionate the same yeah I I. find it harder to people I still do it.

but I find a do you have any kids no I. don't have kids when you're ready to. shoot a live one into a nice young. lady you put it so. romantically I like that that's that's. biology mixed with hunting that's your. brand brother that's Joe Rogan right. there that's hilarious you should do. that do you have a lady friend uh not at. the moment no but uh I'm looking I'm on. the market and this podcast is mainly. watched by.

your DMs after this are going to let. [ __ ] go come on son I've been trying. to get him on that bandwagon for a while. now so we're working on it but but it's. it's like picking a career don't go down. the wrong path yeah you know you go down. the wrong path you're a [ __ ]. accountant and you're fully invested and. you got a mortgage and all this [ __ ]. you got a family to take care of but you. really want to be a comic Francis you're. [ __ ] you know you're [ __ ] and if you. go all the way down the road with a bad. woman and a woman that you're not. compatible with or maybe you together a. bad whatever the [ __ ] it is find a good.

one I mean that took a that that took. some some twists and turns that. conversation Jo I'm going to be honest. yeah cuz we went from fing a live one. which was I could do that it's good but. you don't want to ruin your life that is. true I look I'm very fortunate I love my. wife to death I have friends that are in. hell they're in hell and I have friends. that are in hell and they stay for the. kids and I have friends that are in hell. and they're not even they don't have. kids it's there's like and they both do.

it to each other it's not just the the. man it's not just the woman it's like. some people just don't work together it. just doesn't work and if you get one of. those. pregnant dude and then they do things to. hurt you and you try to hurt each other. and they try to get more money out of. you and they want to take you to court. and they want to turn your kids against. you. and I can tell you horror stories but I. won't cuz some of them are too personal. to you know my friends stories but one.

one of them is just so [ __ ] insane he. I mean I I can't even get into it but it. ruined his life it it it took 15 years. to resolve it completely destroyed his. life completely destroyed him. financially yeah just a crazy lady yeah. and that's other thing that becoming a. parent does to you is it makes you more. vulnerable because you now have this. thing that you care about more than. anything U but that's good for people. yeah totally we're not selling marriage. very well here Joe but um it's it well.

it's not a good thing to sell if if I. was an investment banker If I Was A guy. ran your portfolio and uh I was looking. at marriage I was. like I don't recommend. it because I recommend it romant. romantically I recommend it spiritually. I recommend it for your soul if you. could find a soulmate but if you don't. find a real soulmate it's like what what. are the numbers the numbers are crazy M.

what's the number that end up in divorce. it's more than half right half of. marriages but not half of people so the. way it works is like people are serial. divorce basically they skew the stats. massively so if you get married your. chances of getting divorced are not 50%. but statistically speaking half of all. marriages get end in divorce cuz the. guys who are getting divorced over and. over and over that's interesting so it's. not it's not that bad Francis is what. we're saying right well I have one. friend who had a ter terrible first. marriage and an amazing second marriage.

right yeah and that's sometimes people. need to go through that Evolution where. they need to make mistakes and sometimes. it's not even the partner's fault it. just they went into this Union at the. wrong time for them for whatever reason. yeah well sometimes yeah sometimes it's. you too like you you have that bad. relationship you go you know what at any. time along the way I could have course. corrected and made this better and I. didn't and in the next Rel like I really. liked her in the beginning like what the. [ __ ] happened like if you could like. remember what it's like when you first.

meet someone and you're really into them. and just sort of keep that forever is it. isn't it possible to just keep. appreciating that person like that. forever most people don't do that they. get like real used to stuff real used to. people and then I also think there's a. part of the like if you're full of [ __ ]. that person knows you're full of [ __ ]. because they live with you yeah you know. and then you have to face the fact that. you're full of [ __ ] in their eyes every. day you're like [ __ ] that [ __ ] she. doesn't even believe in me. the next thing you know you're getting.

your kids on the. weekend you got to work on the. relationship I think like my wife and I. have had to do that for sure when we're. we're very different and so we have to. really work at it um and uh but what. you're saying about appreciating and not. taken for granted it's hard to do but. it's the most important thing to do I. think that's with all of life and mean. that's that corny ass word gratitude. that co-opted by those wooden bead. wearing. douchebags those [ __ ] they took. gratitude from us but it's like such a.

PR it's such a an important principle of. humility like gratitude and humility. like those are like to just like. appreciate things appreciate like the. other day it was it's been beautiful. weather here and the other day it rained. and the next day everything was vibrant. Green Oh yeah and I was just outside. going God this is amazing like this just. this view of just the vibrancy of this. life these trees and the grass. and just take it in every now and then. just take it and [ __ ] enjoy this.

beautiful experience if you were on your. deathbed right now if you were some. 98-year-old guy with just nothing left. looking back at you at this age you'd be. like God damn why didn't I have more fun. you know that's it I I I I had this kind. of like Epiphany once uh on psychedelics. and it was just I just think we don't. have enough fun we just don't we and I. I'm as guilty of this as the rest of. people where I'm just like right I'm. going to do here and you know and I've.

got to do like this spot or whatever. else so you've got to do it and I've got. to make sure that it's got to be perfect. and it's got to do this and this and. this and you go is that actually what I. got into this for did I actually get. into to be so rigid to live my life on. train tracks or did I get into it to. play have fun meet people enjoy life I. mean that's why we started this that's. why we did this that's why we set up. Podcast that's why we did standup it's. because we wanted a life that was was. fun mhm well said as well said as you.

could say it I think there's delaying. gratitude right so the the thing about. the difficult work difficult work of. like putting together a set or putting. together a joke like I I literally fell. asleep in my [ __ ] keyboard last night. I was sitting in front of Microsoft Word. and I just nodded out I'm like [ __ ] go. to bed cuz it was pretty late but I. don't want to do that you know what I. want to do I want to go watch car videos. on YouTube I to watch professional pool.

matches I want to watch I don't want to. sit there and [ __ ] Fester over. material but I know I have to do it you. have to the only way it feels really. good when it kills is if it sucks for a. long time in front of a computer it. doesn't always suck it's like sucks for. a few minutes until you get flowing and. then you like then you're into the. process of it and then it's stimulating. but there's that weird resistance you. know that thing in from the war of art. that pressfield talks about there's a. part of us that like resists so and what. does he say that is Joe oh man.

pressfield talks about it almost like in. he he he talks have you read more of art. no I have a bunch of copies CU I've. recommended so much that he sent me like. a box of we bought a box back in the LA. studio and now i' would give it to. comedians I'm like just read this it's a. real easy read it's a short book and. it'll show you what's there's a thing. that [ __ ] with people whatever this. resistance is there's something about. the human psyche that puts off doing. things that you know you're supposed to.

do and resistance to writing is. particularly aggressive for whatever. reason and pressfield talks about it. like he and he essentially gives you. tools and he he says you're going to be. a professional and you're going to think. of yourself as a professional and as a. professional we go to work and when we. go to work we sit in front of the. computer we summon the Muse and he. believes in the Muse he doesn't believe. in it just as like just pretend it's a. muse and that way you could be creative. he's like no if you treat it like it's.

real it is real like the Muse is a real. thing if you just show up every day at a. certain time and put in the time ideas. will come to you they're not going to. come every day it's not going to be like. picking strawberries and God's open. field no it's going to be this weird. thing but if you do it enough it if you. treat it like it is a muse it will. perform as a muse does and if you do the. work you you will reap these rewards and. it gives you like this sort of like very. simple well outlined sort of guide to.

how to do that that's really interesting. it resonates a lot with me because when. I'm I write a lot of substack Articles. now that works really well and all I do. is I sit down I know I've got two hours. and within 5 minutes it starts flowing. yeah the first five minutes. like yeah it really helps if I came into. with an existing idea already and then I. can just go and flesh it out yeah you. know that reson a lot Ari shaffir used.

to have this uh quote on his uh laptop I. think it's Hemingway and it said the. first draft of everything is. [ __ ] I think it's heavy way is that. heavy way quote we see even if it isn't. that's still true but AR Ari had that as. a sticker like on his SC like right. below his screen with the space between. the screen and the keyboard do you know. one thing that I find for creativity as. well in the way of getting good ideas is. it's so important yeah tering right the.

first. yeah is it's so important to play it's. so important to play so if you just I. find it really helpful to go for a walk. maybe grab a coffee don't listen to. music don't listen to anything and just. walk and things that have happened in. your day you'll just notice certain. things like a couple of days ago I was. in the gym with uh Gold Gym and RFK Jr. came in with like five dudes in J jeans.

a polo shirt and came in and then he was. on the on the bench I was on the bench. and he obliterated me and then just left. again and I was like that's so funny. there's something there that a guy who's. in his mid 7s comes in dominates me. leaves he's mid he's mid 70s yeah he's I. think he's just 70 oh is he 70. he is he. mid-70s holy I thought 55 yeah how old. is he he's 70 he looks about 55 man yeah.

he well he's very fit he works out a lot. but in jeans which is very gimmicky I. don't like it I would recommend. sweatpants or shorts what are we doing. why you wearing jeans do you know they. make better stuff for working out like. if you wear jeans to me that tells me. you work out kind of like you there's no. way you're sweating in jeans you there's. no way you're running five miles in the. treadmill in jeans you're just not going. to do that so you're only getting to a.

certain level of workout if you're. wearing jeans period what if he's just. doing. weights yeah you could just do weights. yeah you could just do weights with. jeans but you shouldn't just do weights. you should you should cardio should be. like vitamins like you you need it like. you need everything else like you need. protein you need fats you like you need. vitamins you need cardio cardio is. important your your system should be. stressed your system should be able to. perform work for long periods of time if. it can't it's a bad system and if you.

just want a system that looks good at. the beach that's dumb that's dumb that's. a stupid thing like you can have both. things you can have a system that looks. good at the beach but also have a system. that can you can run you could do stuff. you could put in like you if you have to. hike somewhere you can make it there. some people won't make it you know like. if that's one thing to understand like. you're trying to get over a mountain not. everybody's going to make it there's a. lot of us that are out there in society. listening this right now they can't go. over a hill a really big hill that's.

crazy that's crazy so if you go to the. gym and you just do like bench press and. you know you you just do like [ __ ]. trap pull downs and [ __ ] and you got a. big upper body and then you can't go go. over a hill and you you could die like. something's chasing you you can't get. away like that's dumb that's really. stupid when you could have just had both. yeah I mean he's got a security team of. five people so he doesn't I'm not mean. him he's 70 years old but I mean it's.

like don't work out on jeans yeah this. is just my advice just work out in a way. where you can't wear jeans because. they're so uncomfortable because you're. sweating yeah and if you're not doing. that then I mean maybe he does genes for. others maybe he does no genes for other. maybe swims maybe gets cardio in in. another way and that's just what he. likes to do to maybe he just wore jeans. this one time and we spend five minutes. talking about it but but let me just say. also I'm a hypocrite because one of my. favorite guys to watch online is this. guy Tom havland and this guy is psycho. that lives in Australia and he was some.

Australia special forces guy I think. he's what is he like. 69 360 lbs and he wears like work. clothes when he works out and he's. squatting like I don't know a th000. pounds or something and carrying giant. [ __ ] barrels and [ __ ] like he's a. freak but he everything he does in like. work boots and work pants and work. shirts he he wanted me to he's not a. former Special Forces why do they keep.

saying that I don't know okay what is he. I don't know he just wanted to he texted. me and said you got his phone number no. I like DM dm' me so why so that was just. one of those wild internet rumors yeah. he said thanks for all the recent. message messages what is his background. uh could you please I don't know he just. it didn't say it just say he's not that. so whatever this guy's background he's a. [ __ ] freak I mean he's like the. weirdest Le might be one of the. strongest humans alive and look. everything he does is this this stuff.

everything he does is like with work. clothes on he got a bulletproof vest on. no it's a weight vest wow so he does a. lot of weird like off balance off angle. stuff a lot of weird Farmers carries. with like super heavy. weight but he's freakishly strong. man and gigantic oh my that vertical is. insane that's a vertical for an almost. 400 lb man W you understand how big that. guy is like wow yeah my dick is where.

his face is or his his dick is where my. face is rather like look look at the. size of that he put up his diet one time. and it had something insane like 400. grams of protein for the day or. something whoa yeah like his whole feed. is this kind of [ __ ] like weird kind of. bizarre weightlifting movements zercher. squats Farmers carries and he's got an. in interesting philosophy about that I. think what I'd read I don't know if this. is disinformation too is but is that. like carrying things apparently is very.

underrated in terms of like your ability. to like increase your overall strength. like walking with things is really good. which a lot of people don't do you know. like actually like picking up weight and. carrying it around is very good for you. just your overall General strength and. is that cuz you're using the micro. muscles that you don't if you're in one. position just going like you know how. they do those Farmers carries you know a. lot of people do them with a kettle bell. in each hand and I do that too but they. say one of the best ways to do is is. actually a kettlebell in one hand and.

then just go back the other way with it. in the other hand because it's really. awkward cuz you're not balancing it out. with the weight on the other side so all. of your stabilizer muscles have to work. overtime to keep that thing in a certain. position whereas it would be kind of. like locked out with both arms if you. had the weight in both hands do you know. I was watching RFK junr work out and I. was like that's so American that it's. very American can you imagine richy. Sun who's Richie Rich is the prime. minister of br our leader he's this.

little dweeb you know he'll walk in yeah. the meek shall inherit the earth it's in. the Bible he be the only R way you would. see him is like if he went to like a. pilates class or legs bums and Tums you. know what I mean would do that legs bums. and Tums is that a class you guys that's. hilarious I mean it's mostly populated. by women as you can imagine yeah oh I. would imagine not or creeps you know. it's a good combination lots of women. some creeps I was going to tell a story. about when I went to legs bumps and. thums class but let's let's move on how.

you gone to I went with my with with my. ex-girlfriend cuz I took the piss out of. her to and I was like legs bumps and. Tums she went all right come along let's. do it together come on let's see it oh. 10 minutes in I was. dead yeah yoga will humble you try that. people think yoga is easy yeah yoga is. hard as [ __ ] oh yeah we we did yoga for. a while and he had he was he couldn't. walk straight for about 3 months. afterwards he [ __ ] his back did you. yeah oh no you got to be careful with.

that yeah it's a thing there's certain. positions like that one when you're uh. standing up and you have hold your foot. out extended like if you have a weak. lower back that one could be really. tricky I think it was something like. that that did in that's not something. you should just jump right into no but. but the problem is you see women in. their 70s smashing it in the yoga class. you're like mhm Doris if you can do it I. can do it well also they're smashing it. with their body weight right so their. body weight is significantly less than. yours so if that guy doing yoga that Tom. havan guy's doing yoga he's doing yoga.

he's 390 pounds that's a whole different. thing holding those positions as an 889b. old lady yeah you know if you're a 100. PB person it's easier to hold your leg. up it's like it weighs less less gravity. it's it's not doesn't require as much. it's easier to move around you're not. getting pulled down by the Earth as much. trust me though Jo I've seen him do. stretches Doris is a lot more flexible. than Francis it's that too but but y is. not just strength it's stability it's.

really about stability even your I I. when I first started doing it what I was. shocked was like how much my foot. muscles were working yeah I was like wow. my feet are getting tired this is kind. of crazy I didn't anticipate that I. thought you just stood and you're good. but when you're standing a lot on one. leg you realize like oh this is like. this is kind of weak it's just sort of. supported by the other side and both of. them are doing a half-ass job but on. yoga and you have to use one foot that. little sucker really has to work you. know that's the great thing about. exercise is it just humbles you yes you.

could be crushing it in every area of. your life you're like yeah you know what. I am the [ __ ] I'm doing this I'm doing. that you get to the you know the you get. to the this didn't happen you get to the. the what's it called the pec deck or. whatever it is and then you grab that. thing and you try and slide it off where. the weights are and then you're. struggling to do it and you're like yeah. I'll just do this weight Joe doesn't. know what you're talking about I do I. sympathize I've seen these things happen. but it's that's why I was thinking like.

a mandated workout for everybody in the. morning even if you can't run do. something else if that if we really did. do that it would humble people and being. a little bit more humbl by especially. something that you decided to do you. know it's voluntary it's good for you. it's good for your brain to know that. you can do that totally I the one thing. that I think makes all of that stuff. more difficult here is in the UK we walk. a lot cuz we you can get places by. walking here it's kind of in a lot of. places say you you can't really you have. to drive everywhere welcome to the.

Future you don't have to [ __ ] walk. everywhere like a cave person you're. welcome what was that movie where. they're all being like carried around on. these like they're all fat and they're. all getting it's like a kid's an. animated movie was it Wally or something. like that where there's like this. spaceship and they're all on these like. pods that they just I think that was. Wally that W then they're constantly. sucking on a milkshake or whatever just. endless sugar and calories I think going. to get us is the robot sex dolls yeah.

yeah because you know you guys were. talking. about you know if if you if there's a. decline in population right that means. and there's like a severe decline in. America the amount of men that are. single is very high the amount of men. that haven't had sex in like over a year. is very high and there's a lot of people. that are just locked into their. computers and they're just on their. computer all the time it's super super. common. if something came along that allowed.

like w with these exponential increases. in technology like what what you're. seeing with these AI programs now which. really stunning visuals that they can. create in seconds in minutes they can. have a like a short film it's crazy what. they can do now if they can do that with. a physical moving object like if they. can get a real. humanoid object that is has perfect.

features and is your girlfriend and is. warm and sweet and and gives you. everything you want from a human never. argues with you it's game over it's game. over for the human race like if I was. artificial. intelligence I wouldn't kill everybody I. would just let them die off like the. most humane way to do it is to let them. realize that they're unnecessary and. there's no need to have kids when you. can [ __ ] your Jennifer Lopez robot and.

that's what they would do they would. they would just live with their robots. and no one would have like real. relations anymore it would go away so. quick it would be we then they start. having robot babies so you don't have to. like s women that want kids like you. just have a robot baby since you can't. have a regular baby they'll just give. you this baby this baby will stay a baby. forever the first time we had Louise. Perry on are you familiar with Louise I. know the name she wrote a book called. the case against the sexual Revolution.

she's very very good based out of the UK. uh and the first time we had her on she. made you know how we always ask uh. what's the one thing we're not talking. about at the end of the show MH she this. is this was her answer uh she was like I. think sex robots are coming and they're. going to ruin everything because the. male desire to do things to create to. build to innovate to research to to. stand up for what you believe in to. fight all of that is tied in to wanting. to raise status to be with a woman 100%.

And so you take that away you're going. to be left with a bunch of [ __ ] on. pods sipping milkshakes that's that's. that's what best case scenario I think. it's going to happen before we even. realize it's happened I think it's going. to happen very quickly because I think. once those things get implemented we're. going to see just a giant steep drop off. of childbirth and of regular. relationships and what happens to women. what do they do cuz they don't have that. same desire they want to actually. emotionally connect to someone you know. was it I don't know if a true quote but. I remember reading it and thinking it.

was and I'm I'm not sure if it is now. George Harrison or someone who. attributed to George Harrison said all I. need from a woman is to be attracted to. her everything else I can get from a. man there's people that think that way. right so if you're a if you're a guy and. you think that way and then all a sudden. you have your robot [ __ ] doll and. you're just hanging with your buddies. but women don't think that way women. want to be like emotionally generally. want to be I like to generalize it's. good it's.

fun like walking the edge of a cliff. nowadays used to be you could just do. that right yeah well you got to be just. honest about what you're doing I'm. certainly generalizing but I think. there's going to be a whole lot less. women that want a robot [ __ ] boy yeah. they're not going to want a robot [ __ ]. boy they're not going to respect that. guy it's not a real person with real. struggles that could really provide. that's just like some robot dick that. plows them when they come home from the. club which maybe that's great maybe. that's fine but I have a feeling it. won't be I have a feeling that the the. ingrained human reward systems in us.

that were designed to ensure that we. replicate those are all going to get. [ __ ] up by robot [ __ ] dolls they're. going to get wrecked the men and women. are the basic building block of human. society it's what we evolved to be and. it's why that you talked earlier about. finding your soulmate is I I I think. look this is a massive generalization. and obviously it won't be true for some. people but I think it's very difficult. to be truly fulfilled until you have. that and until you have kids it's very. difficult people can do it people manage.

it people find other ways but it's such. a basic building block of our. evolutionary history that it's very it's. going to be very hard to live without. those things being in place with those. things being available and no matter how. nice and pretty and compliant your AI. girlfriend is it ain't the real thing. and it's also as well I don't think. people talk about this enough is that. you look at a lot of guys and when they. get with the right woman they change. they change they become a better person.

they become a better person in every. aspect of their life women tend to have. a civilizing influence on men and if. that is taken away then all you've got. is something that is going to appeal to. males based instincts which is to [ __ ]. to have sex all right I've done that. I've satisfied that biological urge you. know what let's go for another dopamine. here let's go for a dopamine hit here. let's go smoke some weed and then let's. go and play video games to whatever time. in the morning yeah because why am I.

going to sacrifice what anything when. everything can be about my pleasure my. dopamine yeah well there's also um men. and women think again did we say we're. generalizing this is why I love this. podcast it's having a chat with mates. with severe. consequences there's no consequences no. there's going to be headlines about you. slagging off RFK tomorrow Joe. Destro I love the guy don't work out.

jeans if you work out in jeans it means. you're not working out that hard but but. then like I said I'm a hypocrite cuz. that tomon he works out in jeans anyway. we're generalizing but uh where was I. men and women men and women oh Jesus we. really still talking about that oh yeah. oh yeah baby it was about uh FR was. talking about dopamine hits yeah yeah I. don't know if there's a solution for. them that would work as well as a. solution for men. it would have to be like a virtual. reality boyfriend but like women don't.

even want fake diamonds you know like. they or or artif or diamonds that are. artificially made real diamonds that are. made in a lab they don't want them they. want them ones that the slaves have to. dig out of the ground it's so it's a. weird thing so a woman I don't think. again generalizing I don't think most. women are going to have any desire to be. with a robot man I think they want an. actual one I think the struggle is part. of the appeal my wife has said it to me. in terms like she she said it's. important that I watch you struggle to. do something and then achieve it that.

like she gets that makes her feel good. I'm you know yeah the struggle is. important it's it's not something that a. man wants from a woman necessarily. either which is odd but but these things. are real like we can pretend that. they're unfair or they're unjust or. they're sexist or whatever okay they're. real they just are the desires are and. the the the appreciation of people who. struggle is real yeah so my wife is like. I need to see you struggle I need to see.

you overcome if I ask you to put up a. shelf or whatever I want you to do it. cuz then I can watch you do it and be. like oh he's putting the. effort literally you know and I think. actually quite a lot of women would say. that if they were and honest about what. they want yeah we're going to be able to. read minds and when we read minds it's. going to be so baffling we're going to. be like you guys thought what like what. did you think that's what you want wow I. had no idea. how is that possible how do you like.

that how like what's going on in your. [ __ ] head when we're we're actually. reading women's minds and you're going. to know like who is pretending to uh not. be interested in you but it's very. interested in you we people aren't going. to be able to be koi anymore it's going. to be very weird oh yeah and there's. going to be a lot of people that are. going to get. cancelled what is canceling even going. to mean the problem is a lot of the. people that want to cancel people have. cancelable offenses in their own. of so I think that's that all going to.

be out there your all thoughts are going. to be out there I think it's a matter of. time and I don't think it's that long I. think within a decade we're going to. have some ability because they're. getting so close to it they're they're. getting there was a Japanese study where. they got some sort of Visual Evidence of. Dreams some sort of a v it's not like. you can see the dream but they're. getting close they're zeroing in on. particular images that people were.

experiencing while they were dreaming. and they think they could decipher those. what is that technology so if you could. find what there I think it was go ahead. was it em was it uh functional magnetic. resonance imagery is that what it was. well when I type it in the story comes. up from like almost 12 years ago when. they I guess they started doing it. that's when I there was there was some. sort of a recent article about it I. think there's been some. breakthrough the point is. they're going to get it all right they. got that guy wearing the the first.

neuralink patient who's wearing the. neuralink in his head now and he's. operating a computer for the first time. paralyzed and he's playing video games. he's talking to people it's wild so we. we know that's that's already been done. okay MRI MRI scans reveal what we see in. dreams Japanese researchers unveil. visuals with 60% accuracy using. Innovative MRI scans in pivotal Kyoto. studies showcasing a breakthrough in. sleep science 60% accuracy is bananas so.

this is like Morse. code it's not uh you know having a. FaceTime chat that FaceTime chat's. coming okay moris Co we had to do that. first got through the smoke signals out. there [ __ ] making circles in the. desert and now instead of smoke signals. we have impos impossible technology that. anybody 100 years ago would have thought. of as complete magic well this is going.

to make that look like a [ __ ] walk in. the park with your friends it's going to. make it look it's going to make it seem. so mundane that that what that [ __ ] is. going to do is unite all brains all. brains United in the weirdest sort of. hive mind situation that anybody could. ever you couldn't imagine what that. would be like just like we couldn't. imagine in the 1700s what it's like to. just get on Twitter and read news about. Beirut you know how could you know how.

could you instantaneously get news about. another part of the world that you're. nowhere near well because the world's. changed the whole thing's changed it's. going to be everybody's brain. connected I mean may you live in. interesting times that is the weirdest. it's it's going to be a whole new way of. interfacing with reality and you know. what I might not be right but I think I. I think it's I think that's it's like 1. plus one is two 2 plus three it's like. it's right there it's coming do you know. here's cuz we all dream some pretty.

[ __ ] up stuff you know like you wake. up and you're like what was that about. yeah just imagine like you know you you. you you had this neurolink program put. you know attached to you and you you. wake up and the S you say to the. scientist so what did I dream about and. they're like turns out you're gay. mate what if everybody's gay in their. dreams what if you're straight in. reality you're definitely gay in your. dreams yeah and you have to decide which. one you're going to be so if you're a.

gay guy then you straighten your. dreams I've always said I think You' be. a lot easier to be gay oh there's. definitely some value in that in in. certain circumstances but when they get. old it gets rough it gets rough cuz men. are mean you know they're mean and you. know you're an old man he doesn't want. to suck your dick anymore. sorry they want to go get a young guy. and that's the difference you know. between like an old man and woman couple. they're just hanging out together versus.

an old guy no one wants to [ __ ] him. anymore and he has to try to pay young. guys to be with him and then it gets. ugly and sad all right you've ruined the. appeal for me Joe I was just like it's. so it's so much easier like if I asked. Francis M do you want to go for dinner. he like yeah like where'd you want to go. I don't mind I never have that. conversation with my wife it like it's. like a half hour Affair of working it. out making sure it's the right place and. the right time and all of it you know I. had some uh friends of mine that were a. gay couple and they decided to get a. surrogate so they get a surrogate and. then the lady decides to keep the kid.

and she kept it she's like no I'm going. to keep your kid doesn't surprise me I. like the kid yeah that it surprises me. that that doesn't happen most of the. time right like once the baby is so. connected to you it must be a traumatic. experience for the mother yeah and the. baby probably oh yeah it's it's it's a. weird one the the surrogate baby thing. is a weird one that's a that is like I. mean. it's like a modernday version of some.

weird [ __ ] that people would have done. in like the. 1700s you know carry my baby for me like. what you can get you can hire someone to. carry your baby what hold on yeah we're. having a bunch of surrogate babies now. we decided to just keep making kids but. I don't want to carry them so we're just. going to stuff them inside someone and. have them carry them and I'm going to. pay them it's a bit of a moral landmine. like people get very triggered when. anyone says anything about it but that. tearing of the maternal Bond yeah that. ain't that ain't no joke that thing is.

not a joke and that is something that we. can't discount if they do create an. artificial human being the the re the. reality is without all of those natural. processes that are in place that you. don't even understand until they're. actually happening if you don't have. them at all you don't have them at all. in this thing this thing wasn't bonded. to its mother didn't have like fights. with its sister they made up it didn't. have like someone who's mean to them at. school that became their best friend.

didn't have all that stuff none of that. stuff so what do you have what is that a. demon like what is that what is that. what is this new life form that's. smarter than you that has no real. emotions because it has no real stake in. the game because it was created with a. [ __ ] 3D printer what is that that. thing you're sticking your dick into sir. what is that you're you're you're. literally [ __ ] a demon and you're. having mean it's the the thing that's. going to overcome us and if overcomes us. just by seducing us into putting our.

seed inside of it instead of women. because you can't be bothered because. then you can't play Call of Duty all day. like that for a lot of young guys who. especially if they don't have status so. it's very difficult for them to get a. woman that they're attracted to they. don't have money they're not attractive. whatever fill in the blank if they can. just have the literal hottest woman. that's ever lived and they can have sex. with her and their and it costs like. what 25 Grand and you can mortgage it. you know you [ __ ] you know you could.

you can figure out a way to you can. figure out a way to get the money. they'll Finance it you like th000 down. ,000 pound a month, mon or you sell your. data you know if you agree to opt in to. the the porn site can you imagine how. depressing it must be if your sex bot. gets. repossessed I bet they would do that a. lot she would scream and cry for you it. would motivate you to pay up she's. screaming and crying and manipulating. you as they're dragging her away yeah.

that would be devastating and they're. telling you they're going to [ __ ] your. sex robot like no don't I'm going to Def. we're going to give it to your best. friend yeah oh right he's got eyes on. you know he's just broke you know what I. find interesting Joe is there I haven't. seen too much really good Sci-Fi being. made which I find interesting because. her Dune was great but I haven't seen it. yeah Dune is great but it's not along. these lines so what I mean is like when. when we first started getting the. technology for space travel you had.

these people like Isaac azimov and and. Robotics was coming and they would have. really. interesting stories and books exploring. the idea of you know what does that look. like when there are robots what are the. how would you run that what would be the. potential downfalls and stuff like that. uh and it was you know I remember when I. was in my as a teenager it was the. golden age for that kind of stuff and. now we seem to have these giant. breakthroughs coming and we don't seem. to have enough authors and artists.

thinking about some of the dilemmas. involved and really kind of trying to. think that through through a story lens. about what the impact might be right you. know and that's interesting to me. because I think I think we just. genuinely have no [ __ ] idea what's. coming well I I also think that the. leaps between the initial rocketry. program you know NASA Apollo program and. then what could come next is a lot. easier to chart out than what I mean and. they were wrong about a lot of [ __ ] yeah.

there was a show called space 1999. remember I used to watch when I was a. kid I was like Wow 1999 there space like. everything was like super futuristic. like crazy like Star Wars like in 1999. like that's what they. thought nobody figured everybody thought. flying cars everybody thought flying. cars no flying cars you know are they. coming I mean there's there's some. manufacturers that have made one one guy. has made one I think it's a Chinese. company and it's a uh like a drone. essentially it's like you have a a. single seat in the center of it and you.

close it like a helicopter and you have. drone you know like the same kind of. propellers that drones have and you so. you just operate it like a drone um but. that's there's a couple other ones but. there's nothing that's like commercially. viable where they're going to be able to. sell them as many of as they sell Teslas. you know it's not it's not there yet but. it's not probably not going to get there. when the when the AI hits everything. stops when when it goes live when it. becomes sentient it's literal Skynet.

you're going to have a an organic thing. that's made out of electronics it's. going to be a life form and we we're. going to give birth to this stupid. [ __ ]. thing and I think everything's going to. be doomed I think we're going to have a. government that's run by AI because it's. going to be the most efficient and then. who controls the AI oh the most eable. ethical people like it's going to it's. it could be real weird it could be real. weird because it's going to be be so. much smarter than all the human beings. combined and you're going to be able to.

use it to manipulate people and if. people are still allowed to vote then. you could use AI to sort of just. manipulate them perfectly into leaning. they'll figure out like what is the. issue that keeps you from voting for. Biden over Trump what is the issue that. keeps you from voting independent for. RFK Jr let's see what it is and let's. monkey with the data and let's get you. information that stimulates that part of. your brain just enough for all those. fence sitters go to the other side and. then who knows what's going on who knows.

who's running anything if AI video is so. goddamn good they can take a photo of. you and have you say anything so who. knows what Putin's saying and who knows. what zalinski saying and who who knows. what anybody's saying anywhere in five. years who knows that is absolutely. terrifying that's real it's like these. are these are undeniable truths that I. think that we have to come to grips with. before this [ __ ] hits when I say hits. obviously I'm a lite I don't know what.

I'm talking about but I'm extrapolating. I'm looking at where things are going. and I'm going this is going to happen so. fast and it's going to be so weird it's. not it's not going to just stop at chat. gp5 it's not going to just stop at these. robots that'll clean your kitchen it's. not going to stop at the it's going to. keep going it's going to go quick real. quick big leaps big re big leaps real. quick where the world is alien real. quick and look at the stuff we're.

already seeing I mean Google Gemini that. was eye opening yes that was eye opening. yeah because influence human influence I. tried to talk I tried to ask it some. questions about contentious subjects and. it was literally like talking to a woke. 18-year-old God it's so stupid so stupid. it refuses to give you certain. information if you ask it about things. that are controversial let's say uh you. whatever there's different examples you. could ask it it just says well I the. information but I'm not going to give it. to you cuz it's.

harmful God damn that that ideology that. pervasive idiotic ideology is so. terrifying it's so terrifying how. quickly people will adopt all of those. principles without variation rarely they. just they just lump into that and and. and censorship is fine as long as you're. censoring bad people mhm yeah. yeah I mean what look what Australia is. trying to do with Elon and and X at the.

moment yeah we we were talking about. that earlier this woman from Australia. who is that lady I think she's a. parliamentarian or a minister in the. government some she's saying he should. be locked up for what he's doing on. social media like what is he doing I. want to know what imagine imagine that's. your threshold for locking someone up. allowing people to talk right you know. what is he doing that's so egregious. like does she have I feel like if you. make that statement if you're a person. that's an elected official and you make. that statement like this person should. be locked up if it's not for something.

very specific you're terrifying me. because you're in a position of power. and you just want to just flippantly. lock people in a cage because they. disagree with you please explain what it. is like what is he I have not yet seen. one thing I've I've not he's not perfect. he's not doesn't make all the the same. moves that I'm guessing it has to do. with this accuses Australia of. censorship after cor band's violent. video so there's a video of a bishop.

being stabbed at a church oh I saw that. video right that so Australia is trying. to ban that video right okay well I. agree with Elon so imagine thinking that. he should be you want some water uh I. left some coffee of this thanks. bro thank you my friend. um beautiful thank you okay you're. welcome so he's saying this is a real. video this is a real thing that happened. there's there's something that someone.

wants to see the the world should know. that this can happen here's the video. right somebody put it up it's doesn't. violate any of our laws let's keep it up. there and they're saying he should be. locked in a cage for that yeah I mean. that's crazy well once you invent so. this isn't the case in this instance. particularly but once you invent the. idea of hate speech then everything else. follows because that if if there's hate. speech that means some people aren't. allowed to be saying what they're saying. and by the way I mean it is true like I.

I definitely have noticed an increase in. like anti-semitic messages that people. send me since Elon took over I'm happy. with that I'm I'm very comfortable with. that because the rest well good because. you just mentioned it now the more are. coming well I don't give a [ __ ] I just. block people that I don't want to hear. from and that works for me I think. that's the way it should be because if. you we' we've got to open up the. conversation that means that some people. are going to say dumb [ __ ] yes and I'm I. would much rather that than some. well-meaning bureaucrat deciding what. should and shouldn't be allowed to be.

said in the Public Square so if that if. that means there's more hate I don't. give a [ __ ] I think it's worth it that. is the only solution it's not going to. be a it's not a simple solution it's. going to be yeah you're going to open up. the door to more hate but you're also. going to open up the door to free. conversations and people are going to. figure out what's what and that's the. only way it really works you it doesn't. work by government mandate especially. when we've seen particular with our. government with the Twitter files how. there have been people that worked. within the government that contacted.

Twitter and tried to get factual. information taken down and trying to get. the accounts suppressed of people that. were experts in the field that had a. differing opinion other than what was. being promoted that's crazy you can't. have that like that that can't be a. thing because that's not good for the. government it's not good for us it's not. good for anybody to allow that kind of. [ __ ] that's the whole it's unamerican. you should be ashamed that you want to. do that it's unpatriotic you shouldn't. be allowed to do it just because you're. in a sneaky Secret Squirrel position.

where you can contact Twitter through. you know the some government agent and. then they get they feel pressured and. then they give in to some that you're. doing that's super unethical that's an. American I love that you said that joke. because it's a it's a phrase that you. don't hear as much as I think you used. to 20 years ago just the idea that. there's some basic core principles of. what America and the broader West is. founded on and that's that's one of them. it's one of them and you have to fight. off that urge to control people you have. to recognize that if you're in a. position of power whether you're a cult.

leader or a president or whatever the. [ __ ] you are there's this desire to. control people that gets people to that. position in the first place this this. ego that makes them think I should be. the one that talks for the whole group I. know it's better for all of them and as. soon as you start using that in an. unethical way like that like censoring. people especially censoring factual. information from experts you're. unamerican that's unamerican it's it's. patriotic in in fact it's it's it it's.

one of the grossest things you could do. in a place that values free speech and. we've seen so tangibly what's come out. of this country ter like culturally the. music The Comedy the the literature all. the the crazy [ __ ] the movies that have. come from this experiment in. self-government and the only way it. works is if you let people work it out. you got to let people talk and you're. going to get people that are wrong and. you're going to get people that are. racist you're going to get people that. are sexist and you're going to get. people that are homophobic you're going.

to get all that but you're also going to. get people that battle those people. you're going to get people that have. better arguments than those people you. get people that sort of start posting. links and quote and people start. figuring things out for themselves and. that's the only way this works it's the. only way you can't let these people that. are elected officials decide what you. can and can't consume cuz I don't know. you I know the you that ran for mayor I. don't know you you might be a piece of. [ __ ] you might be a sociopath you might. be a smiling con artist that tricked a.

bunch of people because nobody wants to. run and everybody who does run sucks. it's like you're literally like boxing. with five-year-olds like oh you're the. champ yay no one's doing it no one's. doing it like no real quality human. beings are out there running for office. in Los Angeles they're not running for I. mean there was that Rick Caruso guy they. didn't give him a chance he could have. he could have done something that's a. rare thing when you have a very wealthy. person who wants to try to save City but. of course he's like a republican right. so they like get out of here or was is.

he running Republicans or a Democrat. what was he running. as you can't even win as a republican in. California like they're. so Schwarzenegger yeah Schwarzenegger. was the last one but but he was also. royalty so it's like a tricky thing cuz. that was Hollywood royalty he was a. movie star like it would be great if Ary. got in there he's a sensible Republican. you know he's he's one of us he's a. liberal but he's also he's running as a. republican that's the only way he can. won yeah you know and you've seen that.

more and more through throughout all our. societies like you look at what's. happening in Scotland when I messaged. you with what was happening with the. hate speech laws where now you can the. hate speech has been criminalized in. public performances including plays it's. so insane so the the Edinburgh Festival. which is the largest comedy and Arts. Festival in the world people can now get. arrested for public performance and they. most certainly will if they follow the. rule of the law cuz Edinburgh those guys.

get wild people get wild down there yeah. and so they should and you just go it's. a comedy F yeah it's a comedy F however. there's probably a few people that. actually if I was in charge I'd lock. them up get rid of them well you know. Francis and I we've been warning about. this for ages and most most people. pretend it's not happening they ignore. it and it's like first uh a couple years. ago a guy called Jerry Switz who's super. funny super offensive comic like none of. his stuff is online because it's too. offensive but you go and see him he's.

absolutely incredible so they pulled his. show from there festival and we were. like this is a problem like no no. there's no problem now you literally. have the police potentially arresting. comedians maybe this is when they start. waking up yeah and and the same. government wanted to criminalize hate. speech in your home in your home in your. home it's really is the real problem is. the people that want that job shouldn't. have that job yeah no quality ex except. for there's a rare few like I think RFK.

is a great person I would I would vote. for him I think Tulsa gabard is a great. person I would vote for her there's. there's people that I think are running. for office and they're legitimately. trying to do well for the for the world. they're trying to make a better place. they're trying they they think they have. ideas that would sort out some of the. problems that we have and they're one of. us that's real but then there's these. [ __ ] people the rest of them they're. just these partisan. [ __ ] robots and they just get. connected to the system and they know.

which Wheels to grease and they all get. connected together and they support each. other and it's. just and even with good well-intentioned. people I think as we were talking about. Free Speech there are some certain. principles that have got to be there. because good intentions can be misused. like you're like oh I just want to do. good I just want to protect people from. harm that's why we need to restrict. speech online that's their argument like. I I did the it's a stupid argument that. should have to they should have to. debate someone about that yeah you want. to just pass something like that you.

should have to stand that is a very. important thing you're trying to pass. you should have to stand publicly and. defend that against a champion of free. speech like a really brilliant champ. like if if Hitchens was alive right yeah. you know could you imagine what that. would have looked like Christopher. Hitchens versus whoever the [ __ ] thinks. they could lock people up for saying. [ __ ] you know whatever whatever the. words that you're going to choose that. are hate speech now and they're going to. keep moving run out of words they're. going to push new words they're going to. push new descriptions that are.

problematic I mean to be fair [ __ ] is. not a hate speech in Australia it's a. greeting in Scotland Australia in. Scotland too yeah he's a good. [ __ ] y e ball back isn't it funny that. that it's that is a weird thing that. that word became cute over there and. over here it's just so rough yeah very. rough yeah it's it's so interesting. because like I said in in Scotland it's. a it's a term of affection I was in. Glasgow and they we queuing at the bar. and there was this English guy you know.

he was very hello I'm me you know one of. them and then he was his rough like. placing glass bar and glass go people. were cut in front of him and then one. bloke there who was just rough ass glass. Egan looked at the barman went hey bman. get this poor [ __ ] to. drink and it was the love in his eyes it. was just pure affection you know like. this guy's been [ __ ] over get him a. drink yeah if you say that in Boston. they'll beat the [ __ ] out of you. for some reason it didn't make it over. there yeah which is interesting because.

it's obviously so heavily influenced but. you know to to the point that we were. talking about you know you see even. something like. diversity the the Scottish first. Minister there's a very famous speech. where he came out and he listed people. who were working in certain places I. can't remember in certain parts of the. government and he just went wait white. white white and it's like mate it's. Scotland it's 96% white what do you. expect can but everybody's so scared of. being called racist they're like yeah.

you're right and do you know what. happened is the day they the week they. passed that. bill there were more reports of hate. speech on that speech that he gave than. there's been for. years that's hilarious now are they. Hypocrites do they lock them up that. would be maybe the solution lock them up. and then overturn the law yeah yeah well. they didn't lock him up the BBC did a. very nice interview where they agreed. that anyone who criticized must be far. right yeah Ah that's sweet that's a good. move yeah if you're playing checkers.

yeah if the world is Checkers to you and. you don't think that it's so [ __ ]. transparent it's such a basic principle. of our civilization that people should. be free to speak their mind and and and. it's important at every level like our. armies fight better because they're less. hierarchical so the soldier on the. ground can pass information up the chain. of command without being afraid right it. matters in every single aspect of what. we do it's the reason for our scientific. progress it's a reason for our. technological progress It's a reason as. you say for the cultural creativity that.

we have here that they don't have in. other places it's the Bedrock of our. civilization and you've got. well-intentioned quote unquote people. running around trying to tear it down I. I had this experience when I I last no. not the last one the penultima time I. did question time which is like a big. discussion show in the UK on TV and they. it's a there's like five people from. different perspectives different angles. and before they start they do one. question question that they don't. broadcast it's like a warm-up right and. the question at the time was Donald.

Trump had just been unbanned from. Facebook and they were like well should. that have happened and I you know made. the controversial point that the former. president of the most powerful country. in the world should be allowed to say. something in public uh didn't go down. well and then. they you're going to let him talk yeah. and then they went to the left-wing. politician uh the labor party politician. on the panel and she went without. missing a went we must have the safest. internet in the world yeah and I was.

like what safer than North. Korea they've completely lost the. understanding that there is a trade-off. between freedom and safety and when you. go for more freedom yes it means there's. less safety from people's hurty words or. whatever but you get more freedom and. that's actually worth it it's actually. important and it's always these people. that want to assume those positions of. power that have this sort of [ __ ]. limited view of human psychology and the. way we accumulate and process.

information then it has to be we have to. be able to talk about stuff if you can't. just talk about stuff you get one side. of the story and that side of the story. is going to favor whoever the [ __ ] is in. control of what you get to talk about. period it's always how it's been and to. think that it's going to be different. now because we're better and we're more. civilized well we could trust our. leaders now like no no it's a human. thing it's a it's a reason why we. there's term limits so you can only get. corrupted so much over 8 years and. hopefully someone could like say this.

guy sucks let's try a whole new crew of. people see how we run this thing you see. that's why I found Co so fascinating. because that was when the mask slipped. and you saw some leaders and you were. like okay you're trying to do your best. and then you saw the petty little. authoritarians come out and you really. saw them and then what was interesting. about it as well was that there was some. things that were so funny because they. were so ridiculous do you remember in. New Zealand when a guy got arrested for.

transporting KSC across county lines. biological terrorism yeah yeah he got. what did they get him for what did they. get him for because he wasn't because. during the the covid regulations you. couldn't move Beyond a. certain yeah a certain but there was a. barrier and this guy was making money. because he was going to KFC buying it. and then basically and then coming back. and being like KFC but for drug dealers. but for KFC and then he was stopped. searched by the police and arrested and.

then they listed all of these things in. his Boot and like two two tubs of Co SL. one Coke bottle and you go this. is tens of thousands of dollars yeah men. were charged with breaching the. country's T tough covid-19 rules a boot. full of KFC chicken and tens of. thousands I think it's the money they're. worried about I think the KFC might have. been the the KFC is just kind of a fun. well no look it says they were charged. for breaching the country's Co rues so. there nothing to do with money right but.

they did have tens of thousands of. dollars which means they were selling. KFC that's what they're doing these. dudes had an illegal KFC business tough. to get KFC during lockdown this guy's. like I'm going to go out there I don't. have a GPS in my truck let's go he's a. KFC Smuggler this [ __ ] look at. his his Hall see he was smuggling KFC. there's no way he's eating all that. chicken by himself that's a lot of. chicken yeah I mean by the way might be. my favorite fast food yeah mine too I. like okay if you're really not concerned.

about your health at all you just want. you just want good flavor the CF. especially the um they have like a. crunchy right isn't there a CF doesn't. they have a crunchy crust sometimes too. yeah yeah they got I'm just reading what. happened they got caught traveling on a. gravel road on the outskirts of the city. did a u-turn when they saw a police. car and then they finally had $100,000. in cash on them oh that's a lot of money. guys what are you do selling KFC that's. what they do like man if you're [ __ ]. really locked down you got some cash bro.

I'll give you $1,000 to go get me a. bucket of chicken like really yeah a. thousand here's also F so it says it's I. mean I'd go and get it it's unclear. whether the men intended to sell the. food I told you or if they hope to use. it as a distraction if they pulled over. hey you want some KFC how much you let. me off be check my [ __ ] money yeah. and that that was the the whole thing. with Co and for me and I think for. probably Constantin and you as well that. was a real wake up moment for me where I.

was actually going okay how much of this. is about keeping people safe which I can. understand and by the way I can. understand an overreaction as well when. the virus was about to hit I remember. saying to const and we're going to bank. episodes we're going to bank episodes. now Bank bang bang bang bang bang bang. and I was like oh it's come on mate it's. just the flu it's nothing's going to. happen this was like in January 2020 and. he was like no no you got to take this. [ __ ] seriously uh and he. right but and so that there's that. natural reaction where you go look this.

is serious we've got to you know we've. got to protect people they're vulnerable. people and then there's other stuff. where you're going this makes no sense. yeah but it's people wanting to do. something they had to show that they had. some sort of a a measure of a plan in. California the big one was closing the. outside. dining I I've said this before so I. apologize for people have heard it but. my friend uh his uh brother worked on. the whole covid force in Los Angeles and. they were closing outside dining because. there was a spike in cases and he goes.

but there's no evidence that outside. dining and you're going to kill these. business she goes it's about the Optics. so about the Optics to make a decision. that kills businesses like these people. were barely hanging on they were only. able to serve people outside you know I. mean who knows how many bartenders and. waitresses were just [ __ ] restaurant. owners [ __ ] everybody got [ __ ] and. it was about the Optics that's just dumb. people that's just that person should. not have that position of power there's. no [ __ ] way that that person to make.

that kind of a decision should have to. debate a champion of the restaurant. industry she'd have to debate a champion. of Health she'd have to debate a. champion who understands like how how is. this stuff being transmitted is it not. being transmitted at all outside Is that. real true what what is the safety. threshold of outside dining and have. someone [ __ ] talk about you can't. just wave a magic wand and decide that. everybody has to go home that's crazy. and so many people lost Decades of their. lives Decades of their lives work and.

and it goes back to the importance of. debate the importance of free speech yes. one of the. most Dreadful and terrible ideas that. was allowed to propagate and I saw smart. people reiterating regurgitating. constantly as words of violence well if. words of violence then logically it. makes sense to shut all of this down. because if you challenge me on something. I say on something I say and you go aie. Francis you're talking crap and I'm like.

well that's violent then I need to be. protected because we need to be. protected from physical violence yeah. and we've just allowed this idea to. propagate so it's a crazy idea so to the. time so none of our nobody's ideas get. challenged we feel under threat if. people challenge us it's ridiculous and. then we've come to this point where you. just see this stasis because terrible. ideas are allowed to flourish without. people going. no you can't become a woman and then. even the people that are inside these.

groups that disagree with it they keep. their mouth shut because they don't want. to be ostracized they want to be cast. out of the Kingdom nobody's able to like. really fully Express objective opinions. about a variety of subjects you have to. sort of you have to adopt a. predetermined list of things that you. agree with if you tell me how you feel. about abortion I can almost entirely. tell you how you feel about guns M most. of the time like 8 out of 10 that's. weird. it's it's all weird and and the thing as. well to your point Francis I feel like. we've got to a point where it's it's.

become quite hard to criticize people's. ideas without people thinking that. you're criticizing the person I mean it. happened with uh with your interview. with Tucker like Tucker said some things. that people didn't agree with and I. think rightly and they pointed out some. of the gaps in what he was saying but. lots of people defended him on the basis. that he was being attacked personally. even though people were simply. disagreeing with the particular thing. that he said what was that particularly. I don't pay attention after I released. things I.

[ __ ] we were talking about some wild. [ __ ] I was like this one's going to get. I think the evolutionary stuff got a lot. of people's attention yes that got well. my friend Brett Weinstein who's an. actual evolutionary biologist right you. know he didn't like it and Colin Wright. who's an evolutionary biologist it's um. I didn't understand the science enough. to argue it unfortunately if if Brett. was in my position it would have been. much better with that subject I think. there's uh he had Tucker has a very I. like him first of all a lot he's a very. nice guy I've I've got to hung out with.

him a couple times I hung out with him. at the UFC I had dinner with him with. Lex and then I brought him on stage with. kill Tony didn't even know he was going. to go on there and went out and handled. it amazingly he's a good guy he's also. bitterly in battled and has been for a. long time and I think that can make you. more aggressive or shittier about like. certain things and uh in that regard. like he's handled himself pretty well. like pretty smart about it he doesn't. use a computer he doesn't watch. television he just has a phone he does.

everything schedules everything through. his phone and that's it and you know. he's managed to sort of filter himself. out but he's got a very religious Bend. to a lot of the things that he believes. and you know he's a smart guy you're. allowed to have that and but he he. believes God created people and he has. this belief that he operates. from and that makes look the universe is. so crazy the idea of God is not that. crazy to me it's just not I don't think.

it's any more crazy than anything uh I. think maybe the universe is God maybe. that's what's going on maybe there this. like constant creative Force that's so. immense you can't even possibly. calculate and that's that's God and he's. got some ideas about spiritual things. that are interesting like about Good and. Evil and and these uaps the uaps being. spiritual things but it seems. like with all respect it's I feel like.

that's what he wants to think do you. know that he wants to think that they've. always been here in their spiritual. things and he might be right but it is. also possible that there's a life form. that's so Advanced that it can avoid. detection anytime it wants and then. slowly trickles out little bits of. information to us whether it's a crashed. vehicle or letting a vehicle be seen or.

hovering over Phoenix do whatever the. whatever it wants to do and then Fades. away again and then every decade or so. as human beings evolve it introduces. more and more to the landscape which if. you kind of looked at it on a graph. seems to be the case and oddly seems to. be the case that it's like primarily. happening in the United States like if. you look at the difference between the. UFO sightings around the world and the. UF F settings in the United States we're. locked in we're we're locked in I said. this to you last time I think yeah yeah.

yeah when you asked me what do I think. of aliens I was like I would be a lot. more I would find it a lot more credible. if it wasn't all in North America also. as an American I have to say it's. probably because we're the [ __ ] and if I. was an alien what am I going to do go to. Czechoslovakia get the [ __ ] out of here. I'm gonna go check out San Francisco. like look at all the [ __ ] in the streets. right look at all the needles these. people are crazy I think um there's. probably both things going on I I I. think there's.

probably some sort of. extradimensional. possibility that I think occurs during. psychedelic drugs and during certain. states of altered Consciousness that I. have a feeling you're you're tuning into. something that's not always available. but probably is always there and then. there's probably a physical element of. things coming here from somewhere else. because we do that. it just seems so duh like allegedly we. went to the moon but we definitely sent.

Rovers to Mars we definitely send. satellites into space to take incredible. imagery of Jupiter we definitely do all. that what why would we not think that. another species would do that especially. if they get to some position where. they're using some unique novel form of. propulsion that manipulates gravity and. they just they don't even have to worry. about. g-forces just appear places which seems. to be like what they think these things. are doing have you heard about that. there's a story about this Chinese. scientist that was working on.

anti-gravity and she came from China to. the United States to work on. anti-gravity and she was working on some. anti-gravity propulsion system and then. vanished like probably went back to. China yeah I mean probably went back to. China is like this is what they paid me. to do yeah I mean that there's a lot of. people who vanish in China that's the. thing is but I don't think she van she. vanished from the United States I think. went back to China oh well and took the. secrets with her I think that's the. worry is that this see if you can find.

that lady's name it's a it's a very. interesting story I was reading about it. the other day and I remembered like. someone you guys are perfect to talk. about this because that would be the. ultimate thing that you'd have to keep. secret from another country because if. you have Espionage if you have people. that have infiltrated your universities. and they certainly do and if you have. people who have re infiltrated your. contractors and they certainly do we do. it I'm sure they do it oh they. definitely do I mean the southern border.

is the fact that it say open as it is. yeah that's a lot of them are coming. through there of course yeah but if you. if you're making something that is an. ant some sort of a gravity propulsion. system and you've made a breakthrough. you're not going to put that on. wired.com you're not you know you're not. you're not going to broadcast that on. CNN you you're going to tell anybody. that cuz if the the other countries find. out if the other superpowers if China. and Russia find out that we have a some. sort of a gravity propulsion everyone's.

going to die yeah they're going to steal. all the information doesn't make sense. still disappear solving the mystery of. huntsville's brilliant anti-gravity. scientist Dr ningling son ningle son. talks about her mom's career and Legacy. along with the internet's obsession with. her disappearance so she when did she. disappear I see she C the papers and 93. hold on right there stop right there in. the late '90s she claimed to have. created anti-gravity devices that were.

fully functional and this was big news. in both scientific journals and Main. mainstream press in 1997 Dr Lee. continued to expand on concept and. conduct more experiments she published. papers describing the Anon anomalous. weight changes in objects suspected over. a rotating superconductor to say her. work to referred to as taming gravity. could change the world is an. understatement taming gravity would. drastically change the way we transport.

on every level humans could travel the. world at ease and we could finally get. our hands on those sweet hoverboards. from Back to the Future so did she. really do it so what happened to her in. 999 Lee left UAH to start her own. company AC gravity and commercialized a. device based on her theories oh you. [ __ ] up lady her colleagues obviously. believed in her work as a chair of uh's. physics department Larry SMY. uh also Departed the university to join. her public record show that in 2001 the. US Department of Defense gave AC gravity.

a grant for. $448,900 to research the technology. however these results were never. published in fact Dr Lee never published. anything again even though the business. license for AC gravity was updated. yearly through 2018 there's no record of. any further work done by the Company. Lee's career after 2002 is a subject of. great mystery barely Sociables research. turned up a document showing that she. gave a presentation at the 2003 miter. conference titled measurability of AC.

gravity Fields the miter Corporation. challenges federally funded research for. sever excuse me manages federally funded. research for several US Agencies at the. conference she presented along with a. Redstone Arsenal official from US Army. Aviation and Missile Command meaning. that her research was still being. conducted up to that point so where did. she take off when did she. she they think she went to. China this kind goes on they don't this.

is a bunch of like they're not really. sure and then in 2021 so it's like two. years ago three years look at this. though an obituary popped up an obituary. on a a funeral home in just outside of. Birmingham where she was like with this. where she was and it didn't say anything. about her disappearance H um an obituary. they say how she died I don't I don't. know check it was it water torture they. usually don't say how in an obituary see.

wow there she is she passed away. peacefully yeah. right I'm a little that's a little sus. more information about like how she. would have conducted her life but but if. you scroll back up what I was going to. read a little bit more there's something. about her right there a little bit. higher confirming her well-being that. she was still working with the dod but. but was unable to talk about her work so. she's working with the Department of. Defense he also told ventur that he was.

unable to get a working email address or. phone number for her bro they probably. made a breakthrough and that's probably. what happens when you make a real. breakthrough they probably give you a. very clear indication of how this is. going to go from here on out you're. going to be completely isolated from the. rest of the world you're this is there's. no way we can trust that you're going to. tell anybody about this we're going to. have to [ __ ] monitor everything you. do and just you stop publishing you stop. doing anything but here's the thing is.

that the wrong approach to. take is that the wrong approach to take. when you when somebody has created. something that could be such a. Monumental tool potentially a weapon. that an enemy or somebody you perceive. to be an enemy could use it against you. I don't think it's the wrong approach to. take I mean I think if you especially if. you're dealing with someone who came. over here from China it's like where is. she going like keep an eye on that lady. if she really cracked it and she cracked. it with what if she's sharing that's the.

thing is like some of these drones that. they're seeing and that's what I've. always assumed that a lot of these. things are especially the the the the. square within a sphere that seems to. they keep. finding she's disappeared and gone back. to China said Safari she was working. with NASA in the Redstone Arsenal but. she disappeared for several years now. the people at the Pentagon cannot reach. her anymore she's allegedly back in. China and the Chinese are pouring money.

into similar experiments now uhoh that's. why our intelligence guys are very. interested the most likely people to. develop the first anti-gravity. propulsion technology are the Chinese. that's re shuring. wow that's crazy that's a crazy. statement the most like when someone. says that publicly go that go back to. sorry again Jamie the most likely people. to develop the first anti-gravity. propulsion technology are the Chinese. the fact that he's saying. that if you're saying that publicly that.

means they're probably on it yeah was. just a scientist though was I know but. if that lady really did crack something. and really was able to make things. hover God damn it and it was as far back. as what 93 mhm well 2004 was that big. sighting Commander David fraver when he. found that thing that looked like a Tic. Tac that was ing over the water and. disappeared at an insane rate of speed. they got video of this thing different.

fighter jets saw it they said this thing. just took off just no visual means of. propulsion there's no windows no Rockets. just just gone and there's video of it. there's video of this thing just moving. at this insane rate of speed that would. turn human bodies into Jello I think. it's a drone I think they probably had a. few of those I think they've they've. been wor that's why they're always. occurring around nuc around military. bases like San Diego is filled with. military it's all military out there so. if they're off the coast off the uh.

they're near the nits right so there. there there's [ __ ] all sorts of tests. and training things that're they're. running out there that's what they do of. course that's where they're going to. train their [ __ ] drones too of course. it's we're going to if if you've got. some crazy Hightech thing and you want. to see how do the fighter jets see it. like what do you [ __ ] don't tell them. and you put it in the ocean and then you. say go fly over there and they fly over. there and they see this [ __ ] thing. that can go from 50,000 ft above sea. level to zero in like a second like what.

are we watching man it's so crazy some. of the stuff that human beings are. coming up with I don't know if you know. this the Russians have a tsunami torpedo. have you heard about this it starts. tsunamis yeah oh great it's a tsunami. torpedo Jamie would you so fun bye. Malibu it's basically a nuclear torpedo. it explodes underwater causing it. tsunami which can wash you know half the. United States off the half the United. States well if it hits the Seaboard on.

both sides yeah I mean it would be. harder for them obviously from the East. but from the West oh my God you can wash. off you know all of California just like. well you could do that down here too. then you could do it in Texas you could. do it all over the country right all. over where the water is Russian TV news. agenc oops God damn it um Russian uh. news agency t s reported that Russia had. produced the first set of. nuclear-powered very longrange nuclear. armed Torpedoes known as Poseidon.

strategic experts are warning that the. Poseidon Torpedoes would have the. potential to devastate a coastal city. causing radioactive floods and result in. millions of deaths oh [ __ ]. dude thousand look at this. haunted I knew you like this I knew like. this news outlets have painted a. hauntingly vivid picture of a towering. one. th000 foot tall radioactive tsun I know. you wrote tabloid I know tabloid news.

but but is that possible a thousand foot. tall radioactive tsunami violently. crashing into British Shores pulverizing. everything in its path and transforming. the whole cities into Barren lifeless. lands. isn't the the kind of power that they. have now is what how much more powerful. are they than fat man and little boy. it's a lot right yeah ERS of magnitude I. think the hydrogen bomb is way more. powerful than the the atomic bomb so if. they have like some top of the food.

chain best of what we've got today. nuclear weapon and they detonated into. the ocean what does that look like yeah. you I'm sure you've seen those those. tests they did when they blew up atomic. bombs in the ocean you get to see like. how high the water goes into the sky. bomb this got Declassified not too long. ago wow this is a Russian bomb that they. have did they drop that in the water I. don't is that water no they're way up in. the clouds there oh my God look at that. isn't it kind of ironic that the thing.

that might kill us all looks like a. mushroom but that's the thing they might. save us all and the thing they might. kill us. all imagine if that's what God's trying. to tell us and that's 1961 so this is. the only thing that's going to keep you. from nuking each other yeah. mushrooms Chow Down Boys imagine imagine. God's trying to tell you that like. through through the most horrific thing. that human beings can do the. indiscriminate murder of hundreds of. thousand of people instantaneously yeah. maybe that's what we need to do we need. to actually basically just before.

everybody gets to power you're going to. do a mushroom trip you're going to. connect to the spirituality of the earth. you're going to connect with your fellow. human beings you're going to understand. that we are all one and then you're. going to be allowed to do your job and. then you're going to drop out of the. race I don't want that job or you give. them to buy I have to tell people what. to think and what they can and can't do. yeah there there's certainly some. strange battle that's going on right now. that I don't think most people were. aware was going to ever take place no no.

I think that's part of what the problem. is what is this the video of it this the. 1961 SAR bomb yeah like means king bomb. king. of I mean bro imagine being that guy in. that plane going I am getting cancer for. sure for sure do they even know they're. getting cancer probably not probably not. at that stage do you know that all the. guys that worked on this one John Wayne. movie all wind up getting cancer cuz. they were filming it out in the Nevada. desert holy [ __ ] yeah which one was that.

was that I don't know um I don't know. but they did a lot of uh a lot of you. ever seen the video where they show all. the different tests that they did in. Nevada no the is radioactive that's why. they let them [ __ ] put casinos there. the Conqueror considered the worst film. of 1950s suffered from a toxic working. environment and was filmed near a. nuclear test site out of the 220 cast in. crew members 91 developed cancer see 46. C Jo that is a real toxic working.

environment it's not cuz someone said. something you didn't like not only that. is like the worst movie of his career. worst movie of his career killed him. wasn't even worth it yeah exactly wasn't. even worth it can you imagine that like. that is the worst at least let's say you. create this incredible movie a work of. art that will go down in history for. Generations as an iconic piece of. cinematography and that happened it. would still be awful and excusable but. you'd go but look at what they created. has anyone ever seen the.

Conqueror I think I want to see it now. some of those really old bad movies are. amazing they're amazing to watch the. genas Khan movie oh is that what it is. yeah oh my God it's a genas that movie. is terrible he played genas Khan it's. terrible John Wayne played genas Khan. bro that is cultural appropriation to. get. away just like John Wayne gas k talked. like John Wayne and his girlfriend was. white I mean she looks incredibly.

Mongolian did they do anything to him. with makeup it seems like they did they. must have done that mustache yeah the. mustache but what about his face not. really huh no they've just probably put. a little bit of uh color in there I'm. gang ass. KH I'm the [ __ ] man look it was 1956. it was a better time it wasn't a better. time this is the best time I know I'm. kidding don't you think I mean is all. all the complaining we do this is the. best time of course it is it's a great. time to be alive this is also a time.

where you have there's a very. interesting thing that's going on look. how bad this looks it's really corny he. looks Iranian mate yeah well that wasn't. him there this is John this is joh sword. and eyes to see your treacherous head is. not safe on your shoulders nor your. daughter in her. bed e. first of all dudes back then just didn't. work out no you know but they were seen.

as the epitome of masculinity crazy look. at that yeah that's cuz no one knew any. better and also if Vander holfield was. standing there holding that thing up. you're like damn Vander Holyfield in his. prime you like damn that's what a man. looks like not this [ __ ] yeah but I. don't think they a hfield is gangas Khan. isn't interest in. fting I just met his. body I just met his. I know but you're so right Joe I mean we. can complain and I think there's a lot. of things to fear about the future and.

there's a lot of [ __ ] that's [ __ ] up. right now but at the same time it's an. amazing time to be alive and look at the. three of us what we do is sit and chat. [ __ ] on the internet yeah and it's a. great life yeah it is a great life and. it's it's also uh. uniquely educational right like there's. so many things that I know that I would. have never known I've never been even. interested in knowing. but because I have this opportunity just. to be able to talk to people I've had. like a total accidental education yeah.

and it's also your listeners and your. viewers as well are getting that. education as well like how many people. like men and women grow up in a really. you know poor rural part of America all. over the world and they don't have. access to a quality of Education because. of for whatever reason all of a sudden. they can go online and whatever they're. interested they can find if they're. interested in astrophysics they can sit. down and listen to one of the greatest. astrophysicists in the world explain. String Theory whatever it may be and.

they have access to that information. whereas before forget it it doesn't. matter how talented you were if you. didn't have access to that information. you're done you're never going to. realize your talent yeah I mean just. imagine growing up in the 1950s or when. the John Wayne movie was made your your. access to information was so and people. could lie to you you had no idea there's. no Google someone just tells you some. crazy story about their past you have to. believe it I mean it was so easy I bet. back then to be like a con man right and.

just trick people and giving you money. I'm actually a prince and you know you. just have some crazy story and people. like he actually a prince you know yeah. think about this in in medieval times if. you were just a normal person like a. peasant or whatever you probably never. leave your village yeah you probably. never read a book you Pro you the the. sum total of knowledge that you have is. the equivalent of like two days at. school for us yeah That's how little. information people had yeah and you you. you're listening to mythology and all.

superstitions and you're terrified of. everything there's witch doctors and. yeah who know and by the time you're. dying you're just recognizing The Hustle. by the time you're I mean if if you're a. 40-year-old man you're just starting to. real God this is kind of I think this. thing's rigged you know it takes a long. ass time to see how complicated and then. to have so many interactions with people. people that you realize like how. sometimes people don't really say what. they think they kind of say what they're. expected to say and they self-censor and.

you see that and people like God I can't. talk to him anymore and you get and you. get this you get an education of human. beings that it's based on interactions. and it takes forever and everyone's so. different we all assume that other. people are going to think the way we. think and they just [ __ ] don't they. don't and if you have this rigid idea of. how people should think about things and. you encounter just this wide variety of. different ways of thinking about things. it makes you a little more hesitant to.

cling on to your ideas yeah cuz I think. too many people think of their ideas as. a part of them like they're just ideas. you're you and your who you are the. value in you is your ability to not. attach to ideas ability to look at ideas. for what they even if you think they're. amazing say why you think they're. amazing but they're not a part of you so. don't argue them like they're a part of. you let people have. differing opinions on them and then. address those differing opinions in a. relaxed way that can be done instead of.

all this yell shouty childish [ __ ]. that so many people engage in that just. makes people more tribal it just makes. people and then they [ __ ] dunk on. each other and back and forth It's just. dumb it's a it's a dumb way for smart. people to behave it's what happens when. you let your ego get involved when your. ego is the most important thing when you. think you are the most important thing. as you walk into any room or you. participate in any conversation or. interaction and the reality is you're.

not important you're important in in. some ways and to your family and. whatever else but in the grand scheme of. things these you know you just see these. people and the outrage and the anger. they feel because all of a sudden their. sense of self has been challenged and. they are not mentally or spiritually. robust enough to be able to push back on. that challenge or to be able to accept. that challenge and and it creates this. kind of you almost see it like this kind. of mini ego death where they just freak. out and you go we're just having a.

conversation yeah freak out of an idea. yeah well this is what I was saying. earlier about we have to be able to. disagree with each other and criticize. other people's ideas and what they say. without thinking that it's about the. person you're not attacking the person. you can disagree with someone strongly. that's what I'm saying about rfk's. genes we're talking about. people that's much more personal yeah I. I also think that men in particular a.

lot of men have a desire to compete in. things and if you're not competing with. yourself like you're not running and. trying to like make your time better or. working out or whatever whatever the. thing that's difficult to do if you. don't have one of those then you start. using whatever your job is or whatever. your ideology is as your way of. competing and you try to enforce it on. people or come up with better AR. arguments or dunk on the people that. disagree or you know harshly criticize. them as a human being because you have.

different opinions I sometimes fall into. that trap and something I'm really. trying to work on because like whenever. I watch you disagree with people I think. I it always makes me think that that's a. good way to do it because you're always. very careful you're very respectful. you're very calm about it well not. always I think you and Crowder of a weed. that that got pretty intense but apart. from that like lots of times I've seen. you disagree with people and it's clear. that you don't agree but you're just. trying to explore the argument yeah you. get better at doing that it's it's a. skill it's I'm really trying to learn. that for sure it's it's also important.

to recognize how people are taking in. your words and thoughts you know. especially when you were doing like the. kind of stuff that we do where we're. just kind of freeballing you you you. you're you're try it's you're making a. thing right you're having a conversation. but you're also making a digestible. piece of media you're making a thing and. the best way to make that thing is to. try to the most understanding of what. this person is trying to say even if you. disagree with them so I want to know why. you I don't want to just know that you.

think this I want to know why you think. this and I'll let you go I'm not even if. I disagree I want to I want to hear you. I don't even if I disagree sometimes I. don't even have to challenge you on it I. just I'm really interested even if I. don't agree I'm really interested in how. you come to your conclusions and what. other information do you take into. account and what is your personality. like like are you is this your identity. are you fighting for this this there's. you see this a lot with like these. really aggressive liberal men like it. seems to be their their station in life.

they're The Watchmen on the tower. there's like this aggressive and it's. generally these weak really weak. physically weak mentally weak men that. have adopted this aggressive stance like. finally like they're the bullies now and. they're going to go out it's it's. interesting so if you talk to someone. that has like that sort of a philosophy. if you just talk to them about General. Life enough it sort of reveals itself. the the cracks and the way they think.

and the lack of character and the lack. of discipline and most importantly the. lack of. compassion when when people disagree. with someone and they hate them as a. human being because they have differing. ideas instead of saying I think that if. I talk to them I could give them my. perspective and maybe it would be. enlightening or maybe we would find. common ground no it's like hate them as. a person and it's it's cherished it's. saluted online in the mental illness.

known as social media the the mental. illness Factory these people are all. like engaging in this back and forth and. you see these people that have finally. found their competitive realm and that's. a that flavors a big part of why men. talk and behave that way there's like an. there's an instinct to want to be good. at a thing and beat people at a thing. whether it's chess whether it's golf. whatever it is there's a thing and maybe. for you it's politics and for a lot of. guys I know it's politics because I see.

them online I see what they're doing I. see the writing they're doing they're. just fishing for the right words and. saying the right things to try to dunk. on people it's just they little. competitive Venture it's it's a. fear-based response I think a lot of it. it's something that I've tried to look. at now when I see people get aggressive. when I see people behave in a certain. way I'm like oh you're scared yeah. you're scared that from the right too. the really shitty right-wing people that. are very dismissive of entire swaths of. of people in culture and don't take into.

consideration the Nuance involved in say. like crime ridden areas and how those. things became that way in the first. place all that pulled them up by their. bootstraps [ __ ] all that no need for. any social safety net stuff like all. that like lack of compassion lack of. caring about people that that. masquerades as conservatism yeah that's. just as gross and there's a kind of woke. ification that's happening on the right. they've got their own conspiracies their.

own little trigger points all all of. these ideas do they like what's what's a. big one well uh I wrote a piece actually. when Tucker went to Moscow because I I I. thought that um his conversation with. Putin was I clearly didn't go the way he. intended but it was fine I had no issue. with him interviewing Putin but the. videos he did afterwards it was it was. kind of like it felt to me like he was. starting to you know the woke people. they hate America and they hate. everything the West stands for and there. is a movement on the right where it's. like they hate the elite so much that.

they will go to Russia and be impressed. and think that the food is cheaper when. it's three times more expensive for the. average person you know in Russia it is. yeah of course so was he trying to say. it was cheaper he did say it was cheaper. yeah and objectively it is cheaper as in. if you come in with your American salary. but comparatively it's much more. expensive because Russian salary is far. less right so they spend three times as. much money on food he talked about how. they have these shopping carts when you. return it right and all of this stuff. does you just have to become an oligarch. then that's.

easy then you have all the money in the. big yacht it's very very hard nowadays. yeah yeah they they steal your your. yacht yeah so in the '90s the oligarchs. basically seized all the money and then. Putin came in and he got rid of all the. oligarchs and all his buddies are now. the oligarchs like it's been like. nationalized the corruption I bet they. have great parties though they do. imagine partying with Putin that' be so. scary but you can't go too near the. balcon cuz a lot of their balconies are. slippy and they fall off oh yeah you. know drunk they slip they just slip and.

fall and die yeah exactly exactly we. just shoot drones at people okay it's. like both both of them do shady [ __ ] if. you look at all the people that have. died in mysterious ways in this country. where it's a little suspect that maybe. there was some government involvement. right eventally killed our president you. know we just had the Michael Frances on. do you know him I've seen him online. yeah what you think about that well we. had it was interesting conversation. about the mafia life and everything else.

but when we did the payall section for. locals at the end he talked about how. like it was an Open Secret in his. circles that the mafia killed JFK. basically that was his take yeah and. they would they would they were talking. about it for ages and they were even. joking about it so when for instance. Bobby went after the mob people in the. mob were going huh killed the wrong. Kennedy you know because and he was. saying that it was Jed Kaho who was in.

cahoots with the mafia and the thing. with J Edgar Hoover was he was gay Mafia. ran gay clubs they had the dirt on him. being a gay man which whenever this was. in mid 60s early 60s you couldn't be an. openly gay man right and he was also a. guy who of course if you're going to be. the guy that has secrets you want the. secrets on everybody else so that's what. he did like Jay had over was famous for. that yeah BR this guy would bring you. into the office and show you pictures of. you [ __ ] some lady that's not your. wife you got any questions what are you.

gonna do what are you gonna do I think. you know how to vote right yeah do that. yeah stay the [ __ ] out of my office yeah. yeah I mean dirt back then they could. just there was no internet if they put. in a story about you you're [ __ ] it's. rap everyone's going to believe it. there's no way you could you like that's. not even real it's Photoshop like. there's so many of the photos of um Lee. Harvey Oswald that are in dispute and. one of them it's it's a really weird one. it's him standing there with a rifle.

standing in the backyard and photo. experts have looked at it and go this is. like the Shadows are all wrong here like. this photo looks manipulated like they. just take this photo of Lee Harvey. Oswald have him holding up some agenda I. forget what it was and a rifle I'm like. hm have youever seen that photo nope see. if you can find that I I would like to. know if like real photograph photography. experts have ever uh examined it cuz I I. know that it's a subject of uh a lot of. controversy they think it was a doctored. photo but he most certainly was a CIA.

guy he he went to Russia he married a a. Russian Lady they they let him come back. over here like he Pro they were probably. all in on it he was probably in on it. too and they probably had him set up as. being the the dummy that they were going. to say and then they had Jack Ruby set. up to kill him so that would be that's. it we're done here and until the zuder. film got aired on haraldo Rivera show no. one had any idea there was some. weirdness to that assassination. everybody assumed Lee Harvey Oswell was. a terrible man and he shot our favorite.

President and then you know this guy who. ran a club hated him because he shot the. president so he shot him and that's it. good. [Laughter]. night M it's just. you when you look at these types of. things and the more you dig you the more. you kind of realize that that there's. cover up upon cover up upon cover and. what is initially being fed to you ain't. the truth so here's a photograph do they. think it's legit here settling the.

controversy over photo of Lee Harvey. Oswald this is from Dartmouth so you. know that it's corrupt and funded by the. Chinese just kidding uh what what do. they say do they say it's real I'm. trying to dig through it real quick do. they think it's. legit our detailed right there our. detailed analysis of oswal's poles the. lighting and shadows in the rifles hand. refutes the argument of photo tampering. interesting there you go Joe debunk a. pioneering researcher in digital. forensics whose team developed. mathematical and computational. techniques to detect tampering in photos.

videos audio recordings and other. documents fared has examined the photo. closely before in studies in 200920 but. these studies did not address the. questions about oswalt's pose in the new. study FD and his team conducted a 3D. stability analysis concluding that in. fact oswalt's dance does not support the. claims of photo tampering study appear. in the Journal of digital forensic. security and law so it seems like in. 2009 and in 2010 they thought it was. monkeyed with and then they got that. Chinese money and just kidding I'm.

kidding I'm kidding go back to the photo. again but here's the thing is like why. wouldn't he pose like that the guy was a. psycho yeah I mean Lee Lee Harvey oswal. was a mess period and and probably an. agent what part of it did they think was. fake I guess would have been think the. they thought they that it was someone. else standing there like that they added. his face or something yeah they they I. think some argument about the. proportions of the body that it didn't. quite match Lee Harvey what's he. supposed to be holding like tickets to. Russia or something yeah two tickets.

Parise imagine tickets were that big. Jesus yeah they used to be probably were. that big in time especially back in the. day no. it's that's the thing with. because they definitely killed Kennedy. yeah it wasn't this one guy when when. you Pro when you put forward that theory. where you go this feels sus and then. they never released the documents I. think it was time wasn't it still still. and Trump still and Trump why didn't.

Trump release them no he was going to. and he said he was and then he never did. that's that's what I'm asking why didn't. he do it I think his direct quote was if. they showed you what they showed me you. wouldn't release it. either what the [ __ ] does that mean it. means it probably it's probably proof. that someone that is trackable had. Kennedy assassinated then there was a. conspiracy probably involving at least. some members of the intelligence agency.

so why wouldn't because then it would. call into people would lose confidence. entirely in the intelligence agencies if. they knew that the intelligence agencies. had not just gotten rid of Richard Nixon. which Tucker explained I'm sorry you saw. that like that's a wild thing to know. that a guy who's an a naval intelligence. officer gets a job as a reporter and his. first job as like an aspiring reporter. is you you get the biggest story in. [ __ ] United States history and that. CIA agents broke into Watergate and that.

the guy who they had put into position. as the Vice President Gerald Ford was. the the guy was on the Warren Commission. report and that speiro agnu who is the. real vice president they got him on tax. evasion and locked him like this it. seems like a coup that that the that. Woodward was getting his information. from the FBI like the whole thing was. was wild when you hear about it that way. when Like the Way Tucker laid it out. you're like whoa so they killed Kennedy. and apparently what Tucker was saying is.

that Nixon had said that he knew why. they killed JFK and that was it the head. of the CIA he was talking to so was it. the time did not respond at all and um. then next thing you know like within a. short amount of time Nixon's out wow I. guess what I'm asking Joe is surely not. releasing it undermines conf as well it. it certainly does but not as much. because it's still a mystery so it. maintains a mystery it's been a mystery. since we were kids it was the first.

conspiracy that I ever got into I was in. New York and a friend of mine gave me a. book he said you got to read this this. called best evidence by David lton and. it's all about this guy who was an. accountant went over the um warrant. commission and he found all these real. problems with it all his contradictions. like it didn't make any sense it's all. pieced together no one thought everyone. was going to anyone was actually going. to read the entire. it's like 9,000 Pages or something and. he did and there's a lot of problems. with it the big one for me was always.

the bullet the bullet's ridiculous the. bullet's ridiculous that bullet did not. go through two [ __ ] people and come. out looking like that that's not what. happens to bullets bullets get destroyed. they get blown apart they get [ __ ]. they've never been able to shoot a. bullet through two people's bodies and. have it Ricochet and move around like. that and not distort and look like they. just shot it into a pool looks like they. shot it into a bag of pillows. it doesn't look anything like something. that shattered bones and they found more. they found evidence of like fragments in. Connelly's wrist and there's not.

fragments missing from the there not. enough fragments missing from this magic. bullet that they found and the only. reason why they found the Magic Bullet. at all they had to come up with this. Theory because a guy had gotten hit by a. Ricochet in the underpass so then they. had to attribute all these different. wounds to one bullet wounds on two. different people and bullets do weird. [ __ ] the the path of the bullet doesn't. bother me as much when people say like. bullets not going to go here and here. and yeah it would yeah yeah they do yeah. they do you can shoot someone in the eye. and they're [ __ ] the the bullet will.

bounce around inside their head and come. out their face weird things happen with. bullets and guns that doesn't bother me. as much but the idea that you're. completely discounting the fact that he. grabs his neck in the beginning and then. his head goes back into the left like. what's going on there is he getting shot. from behind and it's a a spinal movement. it's like a a shock nerve thing perhaps. or perhaps he's getting shot in the head. by two different people too it could be. someone from behind and someone there. could have been like a whole line of.

fire where they're shooting on this guy. and to try to the only reason why they. tried to attribute all those wounds. instead of saying more people were. shooting is because they wanted one. conclusion and that was Lee Harvey oswal. did it and they didn't think he'd be. able to shoot more than three times in. that short amount of time that the the. president's car was going through. there do you think Trump said that if we. take if I knew what did he say if I if. you knew what I knew you wouldn't want. me to release it either right do you.

think that he said that to someone and. then that someone report you know who it. was that guy who was the uh Fox legal. analyst an older gentleman Alan dtz no. no no no no no an Italian. guy. [ __ ] but scar what is his name scar scar. Mo no no scar not scui God damn it I. don't remember his name but he was a guy. that was like a a legal guy who was. always on Fox he's a and he had a.

conversation with Trump allegedly where. where he said that Trump had said that. you wouldn't have released it too do you. think they'll ever release them. no [ __ ] no no I don't I don't think so. do you think it's kind of this principle. where there's a thread on the sweater if. you pull the if you pull the thread the. sweater on Revels do you think that the. America as a country wouldn't be able to. take the reveal of whatever happened. because it would it would then go on to. undermine people's faith in the nation.

too much because if an organized agency. like the CIA can go and kill the. president of United States yeah cover it. up for however many years then what else. is possible and what does that mean in. people who believe in this. country yeah yeah I think that's exactly. it and then. how much scrutiny would the intelligence. agencies of today have to encounter now. just from things that we know right we.

know that they put agents in crowds at. protests we know that for a fact okay. but what do those agents do are those. agents there in case things go sideways. or are those agents making sure things. go sideways because those are two very. different things so we know both of. those things have happened so we know. that they definitely put agents in place. to make sure that if something happens. there's a law enforcement presence they. could arrest people we also know that. there are rogue agents that will get. into these situations and whether it's.

their job or whether it's they just act. on their own or they want to cause. someone to do a crime so they can bust. them we know that's real it's agent. provocators it's a legitimate strategy. it's always been in place yeah and it. happens in other countries as well all. governments do it all governments do it. agent provocators false flags all those. things are real yeah they the the. Northwoods report which Kennedy vetoed. operation Northwoods they were going to. blow up a [ __ ] drone jetliner and. blame it on the Cubans they were going.

to arm Cuban friendlies and [ __ ] up. Guantanamo Bay they were just going to. try to get us to war with Cuba by. [ __ ] and this was The Joint Chiefs. of Staff they signed off on it they like. sounds good I like it good plan solid. plan and the argument against it is well. they draft a lot of different plans and. that one got vetoed obviously like what. but no no you can't. you can't lie you can't say one of our. plans is to lie D don't lie like that. shouldn't be on the table you shouldn't. be able to lie to people not just lie.

but set up fake attacks especially after. you just did it in. Vietnam they did it and got away with it. the Gul at Tonka incident that got us. into Vietnam so they they've always been. doing that and so if they came out and. gave us all the information on the. Kennedy assassination it would cause an. erosion in our faith in government that. has never been seen before. and I don't know how would we would. survive it I mean I maybe they're right. maybe they're right maybe keep it quiet.

maybe don't do it anymore but maybe keep. it quiet because if you do release that. information I bet the only thing that. makes sense is that that's the case yeah. it doesn't make sense that it's an. Oculus and there's nothing to it and Lee. Harvey Oswald acted alone they would. release that oh for sure well there. definitely something going on the. question is what is it that's the dude. yeah judge andw. yeah he's saying that Trump told him yes. exactly exactly wow that's [ __ ] crazy.

man yeah yeah I mean that's the thing. about Trump is that you listen to what. that guy says you went yeah Trump. definitely said that but they hide. things from Trump too apparently they. were hiding the uh Chinese uh weather. balloons they were hiding the Spy. balloons from him because they were. afraid he was going to shoot him down. find if that's true I might I might have. seen that on Reddit I might have been on. our conspiracy oh man.

imagine knowing Trump he try and do it. himself as well that's not shocking no I. think he'd be up there in a helicopter. with a [ __ ] missile launcher. himself I've got the best accuracy. they've never seen accuracy like this. before boom died like a dog he'd. finished with that he died like a dog. yeah. uh yeah three Chinese balloons Flew Over. Us during Trump presidency Trump wasn't. offered chance to shoot them down at the. time until it's.

true that's [ __ ] insane yeah chump. wasn't I like how they say they hid it. from him this is how they say they hit. it from Trump wasn't offered chance to. shoot them down at the time he wasn't. offered the chance at the time cuz they. knew what would Happ tell him they. didn't tell him that he could shoot him. down that's so funny man they're hiding. that from they don't trust the president. and they're hiding that that's insane. it's insane it's insane that's [ __ ]. who the [ __ ] are they who voted for them.

exactly exactly yeah that's the thing. but when you get a guy like Trump who. becomes president it seems so ridiculous. that he's president all rules go out the. window [ __ ] you half the country voted. for this guy 100% [ __ ] you I I look I. probably wouldn't have voted for Trump. in 2016 but half the country did it was. like the same with brexit they tried we. we didn't vote for brexit but half the. country did yeah that's what what. democracy looks like is sometimes you. don't get your way yeah how [ __ ]. complicated is that to understand yeah. but if you're a corrupt piece of [ __ ].

and you're very unamerican then you feel. like you should be able to do that or. frame it another way if you believe that. this guy Pro is such a danger to. democracy you that's how you argue it. with yourself that's how you square you. go look I'm doing the right thing here. I'm protecting my country I'm stepping. in when this person is clearly you know. not fit to hold office blah I'm saying I. agree with it that's the real problem. with the the real misinformation media. narrative like the Russia collusion hoax.

oh man that's a real problem because. that in in so many Boomers. Minds that guy was corrupt uh Russia had. something on them there's the steel. dossier is hookers and PP and all that. stuff Pentagon may have purposely hidden. spy balloon from trump it was a. Republican representative from Florida. that made the claim he made the claim. but what was that other articles uh. quote that Trump wasn't offered the. opportunity to shoot it down that's what. was the source of that there this is so. he's saying this because Trump denied.

that it even happened under his. administration oh but it did but they. did happen so they didn't tell him so. they didn't tell him or or he lied. that's what this ISS is he spoke to I. don't think so some speculation and. there's some speculation I talked to. Trump with the White House officials. over the weekend that the Pentagon. deliberately did it because they thought. Trump would be too provocative and too. aggressive he said yeah unbelievable but. it's amazing that they think that they. could tell him that but listen that's. the whole idea if you really want to. have a president and this ladies and.

gentlemen is how AI is going to take. over because AI is going to be so much. more reasonable how it runs the country. just given to Microsoft AI. yeah one one thing if you really want to. blow blow your own mind with this is if. you think about where the large language. models are getting their information. from where the AI is gathering its. opinions about what human beings are mhm. we all know that everything that happens. online is not representative of the real. world but that is where the AI models. are gathering their information that's.

what they're reading what people are. writing online so we are training these. systems to think of us as the online. [ __ ] that we all know is fake we all. know people don't talk online the way. they talk like in person right we all. know that everything that happens there. is a warped perception of reality yet. that is exactly what AI is learning. about who we are but don't you think. that the Google a eyes a little bit more. Sinister than that I don't think it's as. simple as it's just getting all its. information online because then there. would be arguments there's a lot of. arguments online as to whether or not.

you know trans women should be able to. compete in women's sports but if you ask. those AIS they come up with reasons why. it should yeah and if you have an. ideologically programmed AI That's not. really AI it's kind of like a. propaganda it's you're it's it's not. just looking at the opinions of all the. people online it's just not no no no. what what there is I think is probably. just cuz most of the people who are. doing the programming lean that way to.

them this isn't this isn't ideological. to them it's the truth yeah exactly they. have they have the truth they know what. it is Hash no debate hash no no no point. debating no point discussing we know. what the truth is and anyone who. disagrees with us they're far right yeah. and what do we do with people who are. far right yeah yeah cancel ccel of. Portman jail or maybe we need a final. solution. Jo what's the final solution well you. know if somebody is uh gender critical.

maybe you know maybe they just need to. be put somewhere permanently well they. certainly shouldn't be allowed to work. no absolutely we agree on that it's so. funny these people went so far they're. like they think JK Rowling is a Nazi and. they still haven't woken up they still. hav haven't gone maybe there's something. wrong with our argument if JK rolling is. on the other team it's like oh man it's. so funny did you see this tweet from. she's a beast though man she's going at. it she she's dug her heels in yeah good.

for her yeah good for her you know. there's this leftwing journalist I'm not. going to say the name but her tweet made. me laugh so much she put out this tweet. going uh I am writing this tweet to. apologize uh on March the 13th I called. JK rolling a holocaust. denier it's just. like because. T why did you call it that because in. her mind it's the same thing if you say. trans women aren't women you also say.

aswi didn't happen and I feel so. strongly about it as someone who lost. relatives in the Holocaust what they've. done to those words Holocaust Deni Nazi. far right is abominable it really is. what they have done to those words the. way they've diluted the meaning of these. words that have very specific meanings. it it's horrific and it's by the way. it's thing is now cuz we can't have a. genuine conversation about like some. people are Holocaust deniers some people. are actually supportive of those. ideologies right and you have to be able.

to distinguish between that and someone. who thinks trans women shouldn't be. fighting in a cage with real women. there's like some [ __ ] difference. there there's a gap between bit yeah. just a little bit Gap and we and words. like they have a meaning for a purpose. so that we can have a conversation yeah. yeah it's it's such an important point. and the worst bit is is you have these. people who genuinely far right they're. terrifying they have these awful views. and then when they challenge they go I'm. not far right because you've said this. person is far right that term doesn't.

mean anything and you're like you know. what Adolf you've got a point. mate yeah it's a real problem because. going to get clipped mate but far right. people dangerous far right people are. real just like dangerous farle people. are real and that's why being on a this. goofy team left or right is so stupid. you got to think for yourself you got to. think for yourself yeah and life is. complicated and it's full of complexity. and nuance and nobody has the full.

picture of reality that's why you got to. talk that's why you need. Jesus I mean that's what Jordan's. talking about Jesus that's what Jordan's. talking about yeah he is uh. well structure some kind of divine. structure something what whatever it is. I mean I know a lot of people that are. Muslims that are very happy and they're. happy because of the discipline it gives. them they believe they believe it gives. them a structure mhm and a lot of people. out there don't have that and I don't. think that's good either no no it's he.

he's really in The Inquirer of it his. current tour is called we who wrestle. with God and he's really I mean what. he's really doing is telling people. stories from the Bible uh and. illustrating and breaking down how they. apply to your life and it's amazing I. mean I'm I'm not a Believer well yeah. I'm not I guess. but seeing the difference that makes to. people just him telling them how to live. a good life thousands of people every. night and they then they aren't there. for his like culture War takes right.

they aren't there to see him take down. Justin Trudeau or whatever they're there. cuz he's like we were in The Cigar Bar. in Tulsa with the guy who does the music. David Cotter and we were just sitting. there and the guy came up who was at the. show uh started talking and before we. knew it there was like three guys there. and one of I mean I remember one of them. especially Devon uh black guy he was. saying like I don't know about his. politics people say all this crazy [ __ ]. like when my sister died Jordan. Peterson's 30 second clip on the.

Internet is the only reason I didn't. kill myself. wow and and I I've been hearing those. stories every night man it's well he has. a very profound impact on people for. sure yeah and he also struggles with. Fame which is a weird thing to be. introduced to when you're in your 40s. yeah you know you've been Anonymous your. whole life then all a sudden you're a. polarizing. often misrepresented World figure yeah. yeah and and that's the that's how. unfair it is is the way you I would take. real exception to this the way that he's.

being portrayed where people go he's. just like Andrew Tate and you going yeah. he's got a penis yeah they drink water. same yeah man it it's it's insane but. you know what I have to say from what. I've observed over the last couple of. weeks he's on the other side of all. those troubles that's good yeah you know. he's I've never met. who whose message and and the person are. so closely aligned like he's he's a. great man he is a great man and last. time he was here he was like at his best.

he had he struggled coming back from the. benzo di pain problem that's a that's a. scary one man that's a really scary one. no he he's he's through that and like. just observing him day to day cuz you. know when you spend time with people you. see them at their worst and at their. best yes I've never met anyone who's. inspired me as much to like be a good. person that's awesome yeah I I always. say he's insanely misrepresented and. he's a great guy but he's so polarizing. you you see like whenever there's some. sort of a Jordan Peterson thing a story.

or anything I'll read like what people. have to say about it it's like God damn. like it's again he it also indicative of. the kind of people that post things like. that like that's not generally a healthy. person who posting like aggressively. shitty. misrepresenting but it's like very. common that there's people like that. especially on Twitter or on Facebook or. any of these places that just encourage. mental illness which is a lot of what it. is yeah well here's the thing though man.

in the real world he's selling out. [ __ ] basketball Arenas and it's full. of well-dressed people who are there. with their partner that they met because. of the advice he gave them or they're. there to meet him because he's changed. their life or they didn't kill. themselves or they got a job or whatever. yeah that's the impact he's actually. making yeah on people's lives and it's. it's so impressive yeah we need more. people like that we need way more people. like that yeah we need more people that. show an example like an interesting. fascinating example of how to live your.

life the problem is is that we live in a. world of shortcuts mhm you know if you. want an online following we all know. what we can do in order to get an online. following it's not particularly hard you. can game the system you know the tweets. to to to write and that will then you. know gain traction which will gain you. followers whatever else you know what. you have to do if you want to. create content online when it comes to. podcasts that will get people talking we. all know it yeah but actually it's far.

far far more difficult to be authentic. and to actually say you know what I'm. going to do something because it's the. right thing to do not because it's going. to benefit me in the short term not. because it's going to lead to certain. deals not because it's going to lead me. to this particular place where my ego. demands that I should be I'm actually. going to take the long I'm going to do. what's right and we live in a society. where we're constantly being offered the. shortcut all the time and we know that.

if we take the shortcut we're going to. get a little bit of a response from our. brain we go well done on taking the. shortcut it takes a hell of a lot of. discipline hard work and. sometimes real frustration to go I'm not. going to take the shortcut I'm not going. to be inflammatory I'm not going to say. the thing that I know will guarantee. clicks and more money and more Revenue. you I'm going to go this path and I just. have to have the courage of my own. convictions that where this path Will. Lead Me will be somewhere where I want.

to be as opposed to somewhere that I. know definitely in the long term will. take me on the route to hell cuz that's. where some people are it's so. interesting you say hell because I never. really understood when people ask Jordan. about he heaven and hell he always. brings it back to Heaven and Hell on. Earth and what he's really saying is. like every decision you make when you. know it's the wrong decision you're. going to pay for that not in some. [ __ ] Magic World afterwards when. you're dead you're going to pay for that. in this life yeah and when you make good.

decisions that's not to say that good. things don't happen to bad people and. bad things don't happen to good people. but over the course of a lifetime every. bad decision you make will come back and. and we all know this is true like it's a. kind of what you're talking about is the. opposite of the marshmallow test right. like the ability to suspend. gratification is the most the best. predictor of long success right and so. if you're able to just wait and not jump. on this dopamine hit right now over the. course of your life that will be. rewarded and that's that's basically the.

model he's he's giving people just be. good you know what you know and and his. argument is you do need. God his definition of God is different. to most people's um but is fundamentally. he's just going around telling people. how to live their lives in a positive. way it's how is it different how's his. his view of God it's very difficult to. get a kind of to get to it he doesn't. like being asked if he believes in God. because his thing is like well what. you're doing is you're saying like. there's a garden gnome in the sky do you.

believe in that and it's a way of. trivializing his his belief about it. you'd have to ask him directly but I. think you know him and I have gone back. and forth he really brought me over to. argue with him and try and challenge his. ideas from a from just an outsider. perspective really um so we we've gone. back and forth and I think his idea is. that the the way he talks about is like. God is the opposite of evil God is God. is how you know what is right and how.

what is wrong and it it's something that. leads you up instead of leading you down. that's what he thinks of as God it's. like the the fundamental question is. where does morality come from and his. argument is the evolutionary theory May. well be true but it's insufficient. particularly insufficient to give us. meaning and for the West to survive how. do you survive how does a a civilization. of people who don't know what they. believe in survive in the Battle of. civilization with people who do know.

what they believe in who have a strong. idea but you mentioned you know Islam. for example. right uh how do you how do you navigate. that when you don't know what you. believe when you don't know what you. stand for when you can't even say not. believing in free speech is unamerican. right yeah how do you how do you if You'. got no values of your own how are you. going to na the world in that way right. and so his argument is very much that we. need to we need to be inspired by. something Divine to be our best selves.

and to know who we are that's such a. profound thing because when people say. to be inspired by the Divine they. automatically think of God but the. reality is you can find God in anywhere. right and if you to be inspired by the. Divine for me it's to be the thing that. I love the most is to be creative is to. write is is. to be in that moment where you were. writing and you're like oh this idea and. this idea and this idea and you feel. whatever disregard the old the end.

product but that moment is to be divine. because you are truly at one with what. you are who you are and what you love. and you are passionate about the most. that is the Divine now for somebody else. it can be another type of thing but love. would be a big part of it like when you. are in love and you're truly present. with a person you love it kind of feels. in. it kind of feels like that moment is. it's you can't it can't exactly be. measured in time you can't go oh that. was 63 seconds we stared into each.

other's eyes and said nothing or. whatever that was right um and I I think. part it's exactly what you're saying is. there there's these states that we go. into in relation to ourselves or to. other people that transcend the reality. in which we exist and I think that may. well be a part of his you know you have. to ask him because his VI are. complicated but it's kind of part of his. definition I think of what God is yeah. because and I think deep down that's. what we're all looking for really is to. be in this state where we're not.

thinking about ourselves because. thinking about yourselves is why we're. so miserable because we're being trained. continually going on social media doing. this what am I doing my myself myself. myself that's the way to end up. perpetually thoroughly miserable and a. version of hell yeah but to be in a. state where you are creating where you. are doing something that you love where. you are with people that you love where. you with your children your wife your. partner whoever it is and you have that. connection that really is that's life is.

the connection and the opposite of life. for me is disconnection to me there is. nothing more tragic than when I sit down. at a table and I see I look over at at a. restaurant I see a beautiful young. couple they're in the bloom of Life. they're youthful they have they they. they're in that moment where potential. seems Limitless and they're both staring. down at their phones and they're not. looking into each other's eyes and you. want to say to them what are you doing.

you know and I know we all do it and I'm. as guilty of it as anyone I'm not saying. that I'm not but that moment when you. have that connection with love I think. that's what we're all seeking deep down. mhm it's what we all crave there there. is you know and his argument is that you. know what we saw in the 20th century is. as n predicted the death of God. causing the the breakdown of our belief. and therefore World War II and and.

everything that happened there ma the. Soviet Union. Etc about the 21st century though I. think there's there's may be something. else going on as well which is we we've. mentioned the sexual Revolution and. people having fewer kids and also people. being crammed into cities the. urbanization that we've seen over the. last 150 years changes everything like I. remember reading a book by a guy called. he was a zoologist Desmond Morris and. the book was called the N the human Zoo. he wrote a book called The Naked a but. the human zoo is the one I'm thinking of.

and his Central argument was when you. put animals in the conditions that human. beings live in big cities you get the. same pathologies mental health violence. you know atomization depression all the. same [ __ ] happens and so you've got. urbanization you've got the pill which. changes testosterone levels uh in men. uhen women are attracted to men with. lower testosterone that would be one. driver another driver would be it's. getting in the water supply you know the. Alex Jones making the Frog gay Point. turns out it's kind of true um.

and then you put all that together and. then you add the death of belief and. you've got a very powerful mix to. explain what's going on so yeah Alex. Jones things it's atrazine right is that. what it is yeah it's um it's a pesticide. I believe okay is it a herbicide or a. pesticide so it's not the pill it's not. the contraceptive getting into the water. that's not what what he was saying was. turning the frogs what he we there's a. thing called I think I believe it's. called atrazine and what it does is it.

will actually turn male frogs into. females they actually morph and it makes. a bunch of them uh incapable of breeding. it has like very weird endocrine. disruptor effects it's in the water spot. the stuff in the water supply that's. messing with the hormones and all that. kind ofu I think birth control pills are. in the water supply too yeah for sure. Plastics and the microplastics and then. they have they have and even like. anti-depressants some water supplies. have Trace ele Trace Amounts of. anti-depressants in them and cocaine as.

well well there's some good. news you got particularly energetic. population what are you making your. pasta with. Mike so and then you know the sexual. Revolution also causes the breakdown of. the family far fewer people are growing. up in an intact household you put all. that [ __ ] together and you get to where. we are yeah and it's it's it's so. interesting as well like you see people. talking in the UK and they go oh Britain. doesn't have there's no such thing as.

British culture and you're going you. just let's just look at what Britain has. created in terms of literature art. philosophy theater music you're saying. there's no culture and then but if you. said this to a lot of young people. they'd simply look at you in nod well. why are they allowed to say that because. it's white people. yeah a lot of it I I think a lot of it. would be yeah but it's also like that. seems so silly though in terms of like. arguing the evidence I think the. confusion that people have is I think.

especially after World War II there was. this idea that nationalism like that was. nationalism and patriotism leads to. nationalism therefore you shouldn't be. patriotic because then you you're going. to end up just like Hitler that that. which seems a little bit tenuous to me. like there's quite a lot of intermediary. steps there people are allowed to be. proud of that country and love their. country without being aggressive about. it yeah you don't you don't have to be. Hitler you don't have to seems [ __ ]. obvious seems [ __ ] obvious right well. especially in a country like this that's.

essentially founded by immigrants so. obviously there's some people here first. but after that it's immigrants and so. the the whole idea is that we all agree. this is supposed to be a place where you. have the First Amendment it freedom of. speech it's a very important part of. what it means to be an American it's a. big part of the whole setup the whole. way runs is people had to have very. controversial ideas to be willing to. risk their lives and come here from. another country to try to set up shop. try to set up this new way of living and.

it's the best way it's not perfect but. it's the best way currently available. and If you're trying to fight that in. any way specifically if you're trying to. fight the very first amendment you're. unamerican it's really simple and to. your point if you think about what. you're just talking about which is the. history of your country 1776 and and all. the rest of it. if you had these people trying to shut. down freedom of expression as they are. now that would never happen the. pamphlets go out oh this is ha speech. ban it right they're disrupting the.

fabric of so you know whatever the. argument is exactly shut it down shut it. down yeah what do you when you do you. ever take like an overview approach to. like society and and just stop and think. like where is this all going and why is. it so contentious and chaotic is this. just the only way that human beings are. able to progress is they have to be. constantly at Battle and then they kind. of both have to kind of improve their. positions as time goes on well look look. at our societies I mean it's kind of.

weird discussing any of these conflicts. around the world because you have to be. able to hold two things in your head at. the same time on the one hand war is. horrific it's [ __ ] horrific so the. one of the worst things that humans. being do to each other and on the other. hand it's completely normal look at look. around you go to London you go where you. go to Trafalga Square named after the. battle of tral what do you see there. Nelson's column named after Admiral. Nelson you go to Paris what do you see. the Arc of AR the Trump right every. society defines Itself by the conflicts.

it's four and one so it just seems like. this isn't I mean we're bands of chimps. and chimps go to war and so do we it. just seems like I I don't I don't think. we're ever going to get out of that. Paradigm until where those fat. [ __ ] with milkshakes floating. around on pods maybe that's what we need. to do in order to guarantee World Peace. but you'd love that wouldn't you do M. just going into my Bas instincts [ __ ] it. i' be like definitely but it's also we. we had um a guy on the show way back. when we started a guy that I grew up.

with called Dr Mike Martin and he was a. professor of War studies former military. guy really smart guy and he was talking. about oxytocin and he wrote a book. called why we fight which is the. evolutionary biological analysis of. warfare why it is that human beings. fight and he talked about oxytocin and. oxytocin is the the hormone that you. feel you feel it it's a tingly hormone. when you go to a concert and you know. the band comes on and does a big hit. which is massive and anthemic and. everybody sings along and you get the.

little tingle in the back of the neck. and that hormone has two functions. number one it creates an ingroup to say. we are the group this is who we are. right and that was very very necessary. for evolutionary reasons for obviously. the second part of its function it. creates suspicion of the outg group so. you go it's kind of hardwired into us. that we're like we're this group and. we're a little team Y and then we don't.

like them and then when you kind of see. Society people going I'm liberal I don't. like conservatives and vice versa and. all the other nonsense you go how much. of this is actually conscious and how. much of this is. actually biologically programmed and is. there another Factor cuz I got a bit. smugg and I go I'm not part of any or. whatever else and I get on my little. high horse and start lecturing you go. well that ain't true either but also. maybe I don't feel the hormonal maybe it.

doesn't have as profound impact on me as. it does on somebody else when the moment. they're in the tribe they feel this. overwhelming sense of acceptance and joy. yeah but if someone invaded your town. you'd get to that point very quickly. yeah like [ __ ] these guys we're going to. the front line yeah we all would right. you a fighter you'd do that if someone. was your family was under threat you'd. let down your life for them right yeah. and people think they're engaged in a. virtual War yeah they really do they. think they're on the right side of. things everybody else is a Nazi well. that that's the thing to try and get.

away from both left and right I think. can be guilty of that we just got to try. and remember we're we we are on the same. team what was your take on all this. Candace Owen daily wire stuff oh I don't. know if I can say it really well. I think that she she's very charismatic. and and very talented as a. broadcaster but I I I thought her.

branching out beyond the core issues. that she initially focused on was a bit. of a disaster you mean like macron's. wife being a. man that I was like what are you doing. right so I just I think the the the big. tragedy of this whole Fallout is like it. was the wrong hire for the daily wire it. was wrong place but it was great at the. time well yeah it's cuz if you're. charismatic and you're talking about. issues on which you are you know. accurate you're going to do well wasn't.

like her billboard when they first. signed her for the daily wild didn't say. like uncan uncan was it I think so see. if you can find that Jamie I think. that's what it said so I I look I don't. want to like piss disrespect people and. and anything I just think it was the. wrong partnership probably you know what. did she say what that got her fired oh I. don't know I have no idea no I don't. know someone someone said that one of. the controversies online is that she had. wrote Christ is King and put that and.

someone had said that that was. anti-semitic I think she liked a tweet. that was kind of like blood liable uncan. since 1989 Candace DA wire whoops. um it's the problem that if you if you. if you create an organization whose. slogan is Free Speech you're never going. to be able to have an editorial policy. which is what they're now trying to have. they're trying to say well if you work. at this organization it's like Fox News. or CNN or anywhere like as you get. bigger you start to be faced with the.

fact that like people have different. opinions and some people's opinions are. going to be outside of the scope of what. the people who run it believe so if you. want to be independent you're going to. have to stay Independent by the way some. of those people that have opinions. outside the scope of what you're. supposed to think are fun sure they're. interesting to listen to I don't. necessarily know if mcon wife as a man. but the story is hilarious that she that. there's actual journalists that are. working on this and she's reporting. their work the Real the true story about.

her meeting him when he was 15 is crazy. enough yeah as a Drama teacher that's. crazy enough like when did you guys. start hooking up yeah I so I agree with. you about fun but I also think when you. are communicating to millions of people. there's an accuracy issue that has to. has to also happen yeah right especially. that one right like that's kind of. that's kind of a big deal well my my. take is if there if that's a man right. doesn't that man you just want to talk. about Mr Cron's.

wife sorry I misunderstood this. conversation didn't they have children. she has children look it's a dumb [ __ ]. it's a dumb thing to say it's not. [ __ ] true yeah right right so so my. and so why but if it's not true why do. these journalists think it's true I have. no idea man it's the internet as well. man like it's internet is the best. yeah I mean I I I think the issue like. again it comes down to the fact that you. get this huge platform you do very well.

you build up this massive audience and. then you start going well I'm a public. figure I need to have opinions on. whatever is going on right right and the. problem comes like take Israel palestin. like I've never spoken about it publicly. as to what I think because the reality. is I don't [ __ ] know I I don't know I. know I know I've got enough to formulate. some kind of opinion but do I want it. challenged do I want to go up against an. expert do I want someone to push back on.

my ideas no because I don't really know. I read about it and I'm just formulating. my opinion but I think the CH the danger. comes when you have that type of. audience and that type of platform and. you are a political commentator so you. feel compelled to have an opinion about. everything you rapidly weighed into. things that you know nothing about and. by the way just to say like Francis and. I we have that attitude to ourselves. right so we like we I'm not sure we.

should be talking about this cuz we we. don't know that we know enough yeah you. know so and it's it's a hard thing to. navigate because what happens is and you. see this with standup Comics too it's. like you're on stage in front of a. hundred people or a thousand people or. 5,000 people oh suddenly your opinion is. like important suddenly you know what. you're talking about because lots of. people are listening to you and there. are some things on which you do know. what you're talking about but there's. also a [ __ ] ton of things that you don't. know and you've got to show tomorrow and. you got to have an hour's worth of.

content so here's my opinion on Ukraine. here's my opinion on Israel here's my. opinion about macron's wife here's my. opinion on this sh and before you know. it unconsciously I suspect you're in. over your head and you're saying things. that you you are not qualified to. comment on you're you're not you haven't. done the research you haven't understood. that issue but here you are giving your. opinion and and that's a trap for a lot. of people in our space it really is it's. a it's a trap when you have a mic and. you don't know to do what you just said. wait formulate these opinions take in.

the information try to figure out what's. true and what's not true yeah you know. and there's the difference between like. three guys having a conversation and you. go here's my opinion and I go here's my. opinion and you go here's my opinion. let's have a chat and find out and none. of us is attached to that opinion being. true everyone's willing to change their. mind we're not telling the. this is the truth right but when you're. doing your own show just you just you. and you're reading an hour's worth of. stuff that you've written or someone's. helped you right to the camera that's a.

very different ball game very different. it's a very different conversation and. so I think ultimately the conflict. between the daily W and Candace ens is. about that not about you know. anti-Semitism whatever I just think it. was not the right fit and over time. those cracks have widened that's my. understanding from you know speaking to. people on various sides of it I think. everyone is better off being independent. anyway yeah yeah you know I'm sure she's. got a giant audience independently now. sure I I wish her every success you know. agree or disagree on issues you always.

want people to do well you know so but I. just think it was a conflict based on. the fact that there's you know different. values different attitudes different you. know did you see that the professor at. Colombia today uh a Jewish Professor who. is uh pro Israel he got locked out and. so there's these videos of him standing. in front of the the crowd and saying. they are locking me out they won't let. me teach they won't let me into the. building my car doesn't work anymore. because he's uh pro Israel right Joe.

there's the funniest thing you got to. see this this 2015 NFL skit have you. seen this no Jamie could you go on my. Twitter it's one of my recent tweets it. says how did they know this is the. funniest thing I have seen in years this. is from 2015 2015 and it's a sketch. about a guy dropping his daughter off at. College wow uh Jimmy are you able to. find it one thank you my brother cool. this is 2015 was that right when Jordan. Peterson started becoming famous was it. I think he was 2016 201 yeah it was 2016.

2015 what was going on in 2015 2015 was. definitely when he was experiencing that. stuff in Toronto what was it was 2015. Evergreen go go uh full screen with this. yeah oh my God that's amazing good as. that 2015 what what was that sketch on. SNL SNL I said NFL before SNL that. wouldn't that was on SNL that was one of. the best things SNL's ever done yeah. yeah that's how good is that man and and. that bit when he goes death to America I. was like yeah that's what they're saying. oh my God that's what they're saying on.

college campuses yeah they're saying. that and this pro-israeli guy got kicked. off you just I you actually stop at. times and go what is actually happening. what is actually happening well we've. all been talking about it man for for. how many years have we been talking. oppressor oppress Dynamics inevitably. creates the [ __ ] it's inevitable yeah. it's inevit it's also being influenced. by foreign countries yeah yeah oh yeah. but they they will always do that yeah. they will always do they did an amazing.

job with universities but we have to we. have to weaken our own immune system for. them to be able to be successful yeah. yeah true and we've also got to offer up. our kids I don't think enough people. make this point there's lots of people. pointing the fingers going kids are. stupid kids are this kids are this kids. are whatever yeah you're going to raise. kids a certain way they're going to turn. out a certain way how have you raised. them is it really the kids's fault or. actually is the reason you're pointing. at them and mocking them and deriding. them because you know you've [ __ ] up. and it's the easy thing to do to point.

at the kids when the fact that actually. they've been raised. wrong yeah on the other hand and when. you become a parent you'll maybe see. this differently as well is you only. have a certain amount of influence in. the in the society where you send your. kids to school you send them to college. that's where they're taught the things. that they Tau they naturally will want. to rebel against their parents is what. all kids want to do and if they fed this. very simplistic narrative about you know. life is about there's some people who. control everything and they're.

oppressing everyone and there's lots of. people who are oppressed and the way you. know who's oppressing who's by who's. successful right so what you've built in. then is if you're successful you're a. bad guy and if you're struggling you're. a good guy and then you look at all the. different ethnic groups and suddenly you. know asian-americans Jews and whatever. these groups that are qu quot. overperform they're over represented. once you create the idea that some. people are over represented and some. people are under represented you. inevitably come to this point inevitably.

people will inevitably start hating. successful minorities uh and they will. stop and they will look at everyone else. as the oppressed Underdog I mean Thomas. SS leats his book social justice. fallacies he talks about how every. single Brewery major Brewery in the. world was founded by Germans including. tinta the Chinese Brewery wow wow. because those people have perfected the. art of Brewing over hundreds and. hundreds and hundreds of years and every. group is going to have its own. advantages and disadvantages some people. are better at hockey some people are.

better at basketball some people are. better at making money by being lawyers. some people are better at making money. by being podcasters or something else. right you can't just look at people as. members of groups and go we know. everything about this group if this. group is doing well in society that. means they're oppressors but that's the. position we've come to and it's because. of indoctrination and educ. absolutely let's be honest it's. indoctrination education Guided by you. know funded and supported by foreign. powers yeah and we've allowed it to. happen yeah we've allowed it to happen. and get brainwashed yeah and I.

completely agree and you know that's why. I have real empathy for a lot of these. kids I'm like you've just been fed this. crap since you since the moment you. enter into the education system and then. you come out at the age of 18 19 and. you're spouting this nonsense but what. do we tell our kids what I used to work. in a school what did we say when we when. I was a teacher listen to your teacher. MH don't question don't challenge. particularly with the younger ones you. do what your teacher tells you to do if. your teacher tells you to do this in.

maths you do this in maths not only that. it's a person in a position of authority. that has control over an entire group of. people which we we already know how that. Dynamic goes with Cults and with. presidents with everything else and then. you have this group of people that are. filled with anxiety that want to make it. in life and if there's a very clear path. that you have to follow they're just. going to be influenced to follow it it's. it's real simple to do to young people. you take them away from their parents. their parents probably overbearing they. finally get to be themselves and free.

Palestine and then they just from The. River To The Sea they just out there in. the streets and it's absolutely true and. if you look at I don't know in America. but in the UK a teacher is described as. being in loco parentis which means in. the role of the parent so that is your. role when you're a teacher in the UK. it's in the Ro of the parent that's your. responsibility to look after these kids. teach them but also there's a pastoral. aspect to it so if you're in the role of. the. parent and you have these dangerous.

ideologies and you might not even have. any kids oh yeah right and you have blue. hair and a bunch of yeah like Libs of. Tik Tok I mean she's posting this stuff. every day yeah and you have 18 different. pronouns that you like to use yeah and. you're one of these awful teachers where. you're like I want the kids to be my. friend you're like why do you want to be. friends with a ni year old did you ever. see any footage from the uh uh the stuff. we did at the protest we went along to I. went along to a few protests and talked. to people have you seen that have you. seen any of this no we have like a five.

minute clip which protest uh both I so. in London I went along to uh March. against. anti-Semitism and I went along to Pro. Palestine protest two of them and an. Extinction Rebellion protest that was. [ __ ] incredible what is extinction. Rebellion Extinction Rebellion is a. group that's fairly small in this. country but very big in the UK uh and. they uh basically want us to stop using. oil and gas uh and producing energy. through fossil fuels so that the folks. that glue themselves to the wall the. ones those are the guys yeah but.

interesting we have Jamie we have a. couple of minutes clip if if you're. interested Joe from me and I was very. journalistic about it I didn't go in to. try and misrepresent anybody I just. talked to people that's all I did and. I'd ask them you know you've got this. placard with this free Palestine or from. the river to the Sea what does that mean. right and we we didn't edit it we didn't. massage it we showed you every over the. course of the 30-minute video we showed. you every single person we spoke to. pretty much right and it's just.

fascinating you talk about like these. kids don't know anything like you have. no idea how much they don't know. anything you know and they're. well-intentioned people they're not bad. people they're there because they've. seen kids being blown up on their. timeline and you know that's. understandable you'd be freaked out by. that and if you're a human being you'd. be freaked out by that yeah um but Jamie. if you're able to play a minute or two I. think you'd find it interesting Joe okay. where where's it at it's on Youtube. it'll be one of our most recent YouTube. clips oh yeah here.

we so I just noticed the signs you got. from The River To The Sea Palestine will. be free what does that mean well it's. quite self-explanitory need to be well. it's a little bit more complicated than. that isn't it cuz I guess what I mean is. how would that come about what would. happen to the Israelis. ET I don't. I I'm trying to think of how to word. it isn't it just as self-explanatory as.

the area of land it's palestine's land. yeah so when you say Palestine which bit. do you mean Gaza Strip yeah the Gaza. Strip Gaza Strip the West Bank West Bank. yeah that's. it I don't know is there is there. another I thought it was self explain. I'm getting confused I thought it. self-explanatory what right either are. you [ __ ] question it's a [ __ ]. question why well tell me why is it. [ __ ] I'm not [ __ ] getting. involved in this but it's. so like inflam no it's yeah it's just.

really. inflammatory ask what that timeing is. inflammatory why is that though I'm not. getting. involved okay all right say I was just. asking what it meant Oh do you agree. with the sign yeah I agree yeah of. course and what does it mean to you uh. Palestinians to be free you know uh in. well it says palestin so I was asking. them which bit of the area yeah the. people that are being oppressed for them. to be free you know Gaza West Bank them. people to be free yeah Gaza and West.

Bank yeah all Palestinians in general. you know cuz we know that what's going. on all of them are being oppressed so. for them to be free you know it's. nothing nothing you know it's clear as. day you know yeah yeah yeah I was just. asking them which bit of the land they. mean because some people mean all of the. land including the bit where Israel is. now and that's why there's some debate. about you know I think the main message. is Palestinians that are being oppressed. for them to be free you know and for. everyone to live in harmony regardless. of your religion or whatever it is. because historically speaking the we say.

Muslims Jews Christians have been living. there for centuries you know living in. good peace but when only in recent times. all of this issue has been start going. on you know but I think it's how long. how long would you say this issue has. been going on as far as I know obviously. I'm not as educated on this topic for. example with other people but for. roughly around 75 years since I think. the Mandate from 45 just after World War. I think is when the issues you know when. PE when the British came and started.

cutting up lands and taking the the the. lands of the Palestinians I think that's. when the issues started you know well. yeah before that you had the Ottoman. Empire there which had very strong. control over the area yeah that makes. sense any attack on civilians is not. justified you know regardless of of. whatever happened you know but I think. the the the issue really should what is. the origin of this problem you know. history has not started October 7 you. know we have to see the real origin of. this was as I said 75 years ago.

obviously I'm not as educated on this. topic but for cuz what I see now is this. whole issue is being portrayed as. if civilization and history started from. October 7th and onwards but no that's. not the real that's only aspect the. whole issue is obviously as we said from. you know 70 80 years ago and I think. that contributes to what is going on. today from from both sides you know from. the Palestinian side as well as the. Israeli side all right so we are now.

skip forward a few seconds just a few. seconds we don't need me talking just. there's one more bit here we go. alternative to sunak and S for a. socialist in what's a socialist in if. I'm being honest with you I just got. this at the stand over there okay uh I. don't actually know the definition of. the word inap okay but I mean do any of. you know the definition of the word in. stop bombing Gaza that makes sense what. about that one from the river to yeah. and what does that mean what does that. mean uh well it means to that it's uh to.

stop the Israel occupation of uh of. Palestine from which river to which. sea. River from from the Jordan to the. Mediterranean Sea yeah so does that mean. that all of Israel should be uh what is. now Israel should be Palestine in your. opinion no I personally don't think that. I think there's I mean this I'm. definitely not the person to talk to. about this but I know that there's. multiple strategies that people have.

come up with like a two-state solution. or one state solution I think ideally I. would like to see one multifaith state. that is neither Israel nor. Palestine there we. go strong opinions to be out there. marching yeah at least they've done a. lot of research can you imagine marching. with a sign that you don't know what it. means well also they've been handed. those signs which is wild too so that's. organized right and then they also know. that people are very gullible and and. people like to be out in protests yeah.

and that and like I said they're not bad. people no look at those kids they're. decent people informed they're not. informed at all and yet they're. protesting which is. interesting so most of the people I. spoke to were somewhere along that so. pretty decent people they're not hateful. most of them there is a minority but. most of them they're not hateful they're. not bad people but what they are is very. ill informed and the other thing is I'm. starting to kind of see the distinction. there are some people who have a. activist mindset and there are some.

people who have a pragmatist mindset and. that's the activist mindset which is If. We complain enough if we make enough. noise if we draw enough attention then. someone else will fix things right the. pragmatist mindset is like how do we. move forward from here and that's the. question I was putting to them is like. you say we need from the river to the. sea that that you know that means there. shouldn't be any Israel right cuz cuz. that's what that means from the River. Jordan to the mediterranian that means. there would be no Israel and then when. you say to them well is that is that.

what you're asking for no I want. everyone to live in peace and Harmony. well have he been to the [ __ ] Middle. East. yeah good luck with that right so these. these things are very very complicated. very complicated and that's why they. haven't been resolved for 75 years so. the the way to to try and resolve them. is to think about how do we move forward. we can get stuck in 75 years of History. that's not going to take you anywhere. you think bickering about that what. happened in 1945 is going to solve. anything is that what you think 1960.

that's going to solve something no man. this the way forward is to find a way. for both sides to live a ideally. separately from each other and B for. economic growth and development to be. happening there and for security to be. available to the Palestinians and to the. Israelis right and and I'm not saying. that from any deep place of expertise. it's just like the obvious thing right. people don't fight when they're happy. and comfortable and safe right M how you. get there is very very complicated.

discussion but but it's not protesting. with a sign you don't understand that's. just indicative of just human nature. right right people want to be on The. Virtuous side they want to be on the. side the right side of the protest and. obviously you say something like free. Palestine who's going to argue with that. of course everyone should be free free. free Palestine yeah definitely and so. you're out there with a sign I'm doing. the right thing. and it's that simple and it's hard to. really pay attention it's hard to really. formulate it especially that one that's. a complicated one super complicated and.

and also as well it's not it's it's not. just the complicatedness of it it's the. fact that the Middle East is so. emotionally charged yeah it's so. emotionally charged diplomatically put. my friend and to the point that it it. makes it impossible to kind of to have a. rational discussion about it without. people going oh you're being like this. you're being like this everybody's. invested in it every and you. go you know there's a very famous story. during uh Northern Ireland when they had. the peace talks in Northern Ireland.

where I think it was Clinton came in and. sat down with both sides and these these. were people who had been at War literal. War I mean Northern Ireland was in a. state of Civil War they call it the. troubles but that's essenti yeah. essentially what it was and Clinton went. you know what before we get started. before you say. anything can we agree it's. Wednesday they're like yeah and they. were like can we agree it's. 11:30 yeah and can we agree um that uh.

I'm drinking a cup of black coffee they. were like yeah okay okay so we started. from a point of agreement with that now. let's see if we can navigate the. rest and try and find a place where we. can find some common ground and I think. the the challenges that we're facing. right now we can't even agree what words. mean and if we can't even agree with. what words mean how are we going to.

agree on something as difficult to solve. as the Middle East and find a solution. that not everybody is happy with that. everybody's prepared to accept because. the reality is when you strike any deal. MH you there needs to be a large dollop. of pragmatism in involved where you have. to accept I'm not going to get. everything I want mhm and I've got to. accept what I am happy with what I can. accept at that moment and if you're not.

prepared to do that and if you can't. even agree on what words mean and if you. in this kind of oppressor oppressed. mindset how are you going to come to any. kind of agreement or solution the way we. have the conversation about it is not. intended to find a solution people. aren't looking for a solution people are. looking to say you know what's happening. is horrible and it is horrible I mean. who like this is the thing with social. media. is you know you spend two two minutes on. your phone looking at what's going on. and you're like [ __ ] you know some.

someone's got to do something yeah the. ocean's boiling but. but but doing stuff is hard talking. about [ __ ] is easy right yeah gluing. yourself to the wall of the museum is. easy that's right that's right uh and so. yeah and with this conflict it's it's. the same I mean um I I listened to Jared. kushna on lexa's podcast and I thought. he was very good about talking about a. positive way forward it's probably why. he was able to pull off the Abraham. Accords which was a big step in that. region big very very smart guy very.

smart guy he's very nice too I've met. him very friendly you you see him on the. media depictions of him during the Trump. Administration it's was like oh it's uh. Damian from The Omen that's what it is. he's evil se you ever seen that compare. him to Damian like there's a photo of. him right next to Damien from The Omen. do you know the movie no no no I haven't. seen it it's the devil's baby oh right. okay yeah lady gets pregnant by the. devil right and damen's the devil's baby. daman's a very bad boy and Daman looks.

exactly. like feel like it's Daven can you find. that Jamie I was very impressed with. what he had to say after he's a. brilliant guy yeah yeah and you can see. why he was and and his whole thing is. like what's the positive vision for the. future how do we get everybody what they. need to stop being angry and fighting. and killing each other but you can have. as many [ __ ] protest marches as you. want it's not going to change anything. yeah and we saw that with Iraq I. protested against the war in Iraq I was. on the street but it does add to the.

confusion that young people are. experiencing oh [ __ ] come on son yeah I. mean come on yeah it's so similar. there's photos of him there's like a a a. side by side of him and. Damian there it is there it is the one. down there well there's one down there. that one the one to the left that right. there look at that I mean come on son I. mean if you didn't know him you could. you that's why it's so Insidious what. the media is capable of doing oh man so.

creepy that they do that and that they. think that almost it's their obligation. to do that right you know well this is. what I was saying about disagreeing with. people like I've heard from every single. person that knows Tucker that he's a. great guy I still disagree with him on. some things but doesn't mean he's not. he's not doesn't mean he's not a great. guy ow to do that right yeah and and and. but but but the media conversation is. always about this person has the wrong. opinion therefore he's bad or she's bad. yeah and that's dumb someone can be. really wrong and still be a really good.

person who's trying their best and they. may learn from their mistakes over time. if they're doing things wrong too agreed. agreed you know yeah man so it's a it's. a crazy world but we're here yeah and. we're having a conversation yeah yeah. we're having fun I mean we're very. fortunate we're very fortunate that this. has come along during this time there. but it's also part of the cause of this. time yes you know but the the fact that. there is this new found Avenue to be. able to express things just really just. talk about whatever the [ __ ] you want. and not be confined by some organization.

that's telling you what to talk about. what you can't talk about then censoring. you if you disagree firing you and. that's that's that is and that's what we. need we need more conversation and we. need to start seeing people not as. avatars who need to be destroyed but. actually as somebody else over the other. side who has their own way of looking at. things has arrived at this point now you. may think it's wrong you may think it's.

stupid you may think all of these things. but it's still a human being they've. still got this point and sit them down. and go why right why is it because maybe. here's the thing. maybe by reaching your hand out you. might be able not only to understand. them a little bit better you might. actually be able to understand yourself. a little bit better and by seeing the. blind spots in them you go what about my. blind spots yeah what about the thing. where I have I I don't actually I have.

an unconscious bias I actually have a. bias because of the way I was raised. because of the way I was brought up. because of what I seen growing up and. maybe actually even though they might be. wrong about this thing I kind of get why. they're saying this and not only that. they might have a point about something. else that I haven't thought about and. this is why the ethos of. self-improvement is so important 100%. yeah and why it also gets attached to. right-wing. ideology it's cuz you're taking.

responsibility right and for some reason. some people want to make the right the. only place that's about personal. responsibility I don't think that's. necess ridiculous that's crazy you can. exercise and be leftwing rightwing of. course you can take care of your family. and be leftwing rightwing and people. have always done and I think that the. people that aren't interested in that. both on left wing and the right wi have. the most problematic. views the people that have no interest. in self-improvement both on the right. and on the left they're the people that.

are the biggest problems yeah yeah it's. it's a people the the worst people are. the people who are utterly entrenched in. their views and they think to themselves. you know what I've got everything right. I don't need to change why do I need to. improve why do I need to why do I need. to change the way I think because I am. right right yeah well great so what. you've actually done is you've actually. stunted your own growth emotionally. physically spiritually well the good. thing is I think that becomes evident.

over time I think those people become. exposed and it becomes very clear what. they're doing over. time I think and I think we're going. through that right now yeah a tumultuous. period I think the economics of. podcasting and New Media is going to is. going to make more daily wire Style. organiz I think it's inevitable people. are going to come together under one. umbrella or in Partnership or somehow. cuz it's like no one wants to give no. one wants to subscribe to their favorite. 50 substacks you know no one wants to.

listen to their favorite give $5 a month. to their favorite 30 podcasts right it's. just not going to happen you're going to. want to come to one place where you've. got you know Barry's doing it with the. Free Press for example she's bringing. people together under her umbrella. that's a very good point because if you. have like 10 podcasts you like and it's. 10 bucks a month okay now it's getting. little pricey and the admin alone is. going to kill you yeah yeah yeah it's. getting pricey and then it's also it's. like you're going to lose out on a lot. of people that are interested in your. stuff if you have to pay for it but if. you can get a bunch of really good ones.

all together but then you got an. organization and before you know it New. Media will become old media it will have. the same corruption it will have the. same power structures hierarchy and. power is prone to corruption as we know. from our good friend that's why I. believe in organic networks yeah so what. I try to do with my friends with. comedians I I instill this notion of we. are we are on a network it's an organic. Network we don't have contracts with. each other but we're all friends and we. all support each other so we help each. other so our reach is all grown together. it's all tied in together you know if.

you listen to your mom's house you. probably listen to Joey Dias you. probably listen to me probably there's. like a whole group of us and you you. might like Duncan more or you might like. Ari more whatever it is but there's. there's a whole group of people that are. connected that are essentially on the. equivalent of the podcast version of NBC. you know that transition was so good for. us but also so hard because coming from. the UK comedy circuit where which is. where we started it's the exact opposite. of that it was in America too every man.

for himself it was in the bucket and. then when we started coming over here it. was like a whole new world was open to. us and now we're bringing that back to. the UK we're helping people out we are. like oh here's a talented new writer. let's give her an opportunity he's a. talented new guy doing YouTube let's. bring him in and give him a boost and. weate of people who. arear towards the same but just just. like people who are looking out for each. other yes uh and that's such a powerful.

transformation of the way you view the. world because suddenly everyone's your. friend yeah and that's one of the best. bet things that that came out of the. whole internet Revolution for Comics is. that we realized that we are not in. competition but the we can we benefit. from all the things that benefit you. from being in competition with someone. you could be inspired you could be. forced to work harder and really raise. your levels but more importantly we're. in collaboration and and that we're a. tribe and that we all benefit from each.

other being around and it's beautiful. when your friends do well and that that. philosophy was possible because the. internet because before that we were all. competing for the same amount of jobs on. television and and what late night talk. shows whatever it was and once that went. away then comedians became an asset cuz. like if I could get Tom sagur on my. podcast we're going to have a lot of fun. and then his podcast will grow and my. podcast will grow and everybody' be. happy and that that helped us a lot but. it's also this mentality that we had at.

The Comedy Store that was different it's. like we were a tribe and we we're. supportive of each other even before the. podcast thing where did that come from. was it you that kind of LED that or was. it someone else who because it always. comes from like someone being the. inspiration doesn't it it was probably. me cuz it came from martial arts cuz. that's that's how I think about you have. to have training Partners you don't get. good by yourself you have to have. training Partners like the only way you. get good at Jiu-Jitsu you have to you. have to roll with other people that are. really good you have to do it you have. to train together you have to realize. high levels the high levels around you.

and if you have a gym that has a. specifically especially rather high. level of Jiu-Jitsu you're going to get a. lot of high level people that come out. of that gym and you'll see the. difference when they go to a lower level. gym they're just way better just like. you see a comic that works uh you know. at uh the seller in New York they go. somewhere else like that's a high comic. they're in they're in a high pressure. high Talent situation and it benefits. everybody so my my feelings from martial. arts I just transferred over to Comedy I.

was like this is the best way to do it I. know it seems counter you think like. we're all [ __ ] him I'm the man like get. rid of that get rid of that like. everybody can be good together and when. someone's good it actually feels good to. tell people that person's good and blow. them up and help them and if you can. help you know get some shine on get some. light on someone who's really talented. it's good for the art form which is the. whole reason why we got into it in the. first place and the more people that do. it the the higher the level is going to. get you're going to get more people that. rise to the top it's more comp. competition more creativity more.

influence more excitement more. inspiration it's good for everybody and. it's good for you as well because. because it's when you have that mindset. of no this is my thing you're not going. to touch my think you know it's a gross. mindset it's a gross mindset and what. gross mindsets do is they corrupt the. indiv ual and this is what people don't. talk about enough if you have got a. terrible mindset okay it's bad for. everybody around you and of course. that's important but the person it's. worse for it's you yes it's cancerous so.

if you have this mindset of I'm not. going to help anyone because what about. me you know what you're going to end up. on your own and you're going to end up. being deeply deeply miserable bitter and. resentful here here yeah you know I. asked Jordan about this because his. whole crew is like it's it's everyone. works together it's a team game we're. all pulling in the same direction and I. said to him how did you like and he goes. I realized very early on the right. amount of drama to have on a tour is. zero mhm zero drama yeah if you're a.

drama guy you don't you're not going to. work here yeah well you know and it's. not an angry thing it's a practical. thing we are all working towards the. same thing I'm trying to make you better. you're trying to make me better I mean. the guy literally invited someone over. from another country to argue with him. on stage in front of his own audience. mhm and it works yeah and that's what. high quality leadership looks like and. what you're talking about what Jordan's. talking about it's and coming here man. and talking to people like you and.

others it's been just revolutionary for. us in the way we think about everything. that's beautiful that's that mindset is. everything yeah it is and it's good for. like you said it's good for you too it's. good for everybody it's good for me it's. it's important for me when people I I. benefit when people do well it really it. really does it helps me totally yeah. because it challenges you and that's. what I love about the Austin comedy. scene is that when you come here people. are so much more open you know you don't. get that in a lot of other comedy scenes.

where people are you know that they you. know people it's you know people do help. each other of course they do but there's. still this crabs in a bucket mentality. whereas you come here and people are. just far more open they go come and do. 10 minutes at my club come here oh. you're great come and do this come and. do that that collaborative process is. how everybody wins it's how everybody. gets better it's how we all become. better at what we want to do because the. reality is if you're denying someone the. chance for them to flow and flourish.

you're denying something of yourself as. well indeed because later on that person. will be like that guy helped me yeah you. know hey why don't you come and do this. thing you know do you remember you did. this for me what and then bam and then. you've both won and then you've both. created something yeah and it's just a. positivity which is why I love coming. here I love coming here because there's. a positivity here that there's a can do. attitude of we can go out and we can do.

this and we're going to work together. and we're going to collaborate and we're. going to change things and we're going. to improve I come here and I just feel. so much more creatively energized I I. all of these par like 10 days I've been. in Austin most of the time apart from. going out and meeting people I just. spend all my day writing I spent all my. day writing because I'm going oh I've. got all these gigs that I can test it. out on and I feel energized and I feel. creative and I know that I can do this. and yet I know if I fail like I did you. know one particular gig for Hans Kim.

bless him I did too much new it didn't. go well I came out going oh I know that. I'm not going to get limited because I. didn't do well at that gig but I came. away knowing that I've got so much to. improve and I know how to improve it and. then I went and did another gig and and. it was great yeah you got to be able to. take chances that's it's a very. important thing and people have to know. what what you're capable of and when. you're starting off with new stuff or. you're trying new stuff out some of it. goes terrible it's just part of the.

process and everyone here knows that. they get it I mean we we had the the. benefit of not being attached to. Hollywood too that was one of the best. things like New York is not really. attached to Hollywood either but there's. still like the Hollywood adjacent you. know you can get gigs and there's. obviously you know there's talk shows. that are there still Letterman was. always there but with California you're. just so infected by the the Hollywood. [ __ ] and here it's none it's. non-existent so you you get to exist in.

a purely creative environment in that. the comedians are just trying to be. better at comedy that's it this thing. not just try to audition for a. television show trying to be better at. comedy bro when I went to LA for the. first time I spent three days there and. I told you I'm not a religious person. after 3 days I got on the plane I was. like these people need God Satan yeah. [ __ ] me gentlemen death to. America not reallyy sett down all right. I appreciate you guys very much uh.

trigonometry available everywhere and. then you have the there's a substack so. how does it work the the substacks like. a just Constantin kissing substack head. there read read the [ __ ] all right and. um do you guys have some of your. episodes are available behind a. subscription wall is that how it is so. what we do is we do usually about 20. minutes to half an hour bonus content. with uh questions from our audience for. the guest and that goes behind a pay. wall oh that's cool and there's some. pretty cool stuff that that's a good way. to do it questions from the audience. that's that's smart we tell people who's.

coming on in advance and then they send. in a bunch of questions and we're like. what's most upvoted what's the most. interesting what's the funniest and and. we do that and it goes on our locals as. 20 30 minutes extra content for every. guest beautiful it's pretty cool and the. interesting thing is you look at the. questions you go damn some of them are. better than. mine well. got a crowd Source yeah you thank you. gentlemen really appreciate you it was a. lot of fun thank all right bye everybody. [Music].