Joe Rogan Experience #2138 - Tucker Carlson

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day did you did you. see the US government just released. apparently by accident the project Aqua. stuff did you see this no what's. that this is crazy yeah I guess we're. rolling are we rolling yeah I can wait. till we no no no you can this is just.

someone just sent me this this is. Project Aqua yeah hold on I'll. um they just released I think by. accident how's that happened it's kona. blue you familiar with this no Kona BL. is a um it was a program they yeah dude. they I'm going to send this to Homeland. Security just released this send it to. me I'll send it to Jamie and uh you can.

air drop it no I got it right right here. I'll just I don't do email or what I. don't know how to airdrop anything you. don't do email. no I haven't done email in many years. really yeah how do you exist I do text. wow just text yeah I don't do email I. don't go on the [ __ ] internet I don't. on the TV I'm not into of that but. anyway um no that stuff is bad you know. yeah I guess that's my isolation tank I.

just stay away from that [ __ ] but anyway. that's smart did you text it to me yeah. I did I think I did it didn't get to me. yeah it just s it'll it's a big thing. um okay. so this is so amazing so this is in. there they're talking about this and. this was just released talking about. setting up this program kona blue I. didn't get it uh this is like a UAP. program of some the medical division.

will have a small team of medical. analysts under the direction of the. chief physician and Deputy Administrator. they will organized data into a threat. analysis based on medical findings. including but not limited to a deaths. and injuries as a result of interaction. with Advanced Aerospace Vehicles here it. is B Medical injuries as a result of. other anomalies C collateral injuries. psychological effects to family members. so they're admitting that people are. dying.

this just like a tweet from yes is this. it a day or. twoo what does that mean other. information do you ever wonder if stuff. like this is just. disinformation yeah. maybe I mean I I wonder if I wonder a. lot of things I'm sure you do but um I. would always always assume that a lot of. this stuff is. nonsense yeah here's what we know.

is. that US servicemen have died as a result. of contact with or being in the. proximity of these vehicles and we know. that because there are a lot of Suits. working their way through the VA system. yeah where families you know can't get. compensated for the deaths or injuries. to loved ones because it's all under. wraps top secret well that's just that's. just a fact okay that that is happening. so if there's I guess you know when.

there are measurable physical effects of. a phenomenon we can say conclusively the. phenomenon is real right and. um so yeah I mean it is real I mean I. guess we're sort of past the point of. like is it real yeah it's real it's it's. real in that there's these things that. are moving in very bizarre ways and they. have these propulsion systems that. violate what we know about propulsion. systems.

retrieving data across dimensional. SpaceTime develop remote viewing coms. and count countermeasures determined. Baseline for physical transport across. dimensional space-time barrier rapid. response Medical Teams for UFO. interaction events so how do they do. this accidentally study conscious. interactions with and control of. technology so I got this from someone in. the US government who's who's who's well. well.

look let me let me just start by saying. I you know I don't know anything um. but he sent me this the above is 100%. legit I was read into this program but. told never to tell anyone it's now been. released as you can see um it began as a. result of my old program a. AIP um I signed a document saying I. would never talk about Kona and similar. efforts I can't believe that a would. have released it.

look I I you know yeah I mean here's. what we do know is that there's enough. going on in the skies but not just the. skies underwater that U the US military. has been forced to respond to it so like. move aircraft from one place to another. because there are too many of these. objects in the sky that's actually. happened Chris melon just wrote a long. piece about it um so it's real the. government is not controlling it in fact.

it's forcing the government DOD to. respond um and we know that there is a a. real effort and has been underway for a. long time to to keep the public from. knowing about it but that's all known. that's established I don't think any. rational person would deny that the. question is like what is it actually I. mean now is sort of the point you have. to ask like what is. this and. um you know so that's how much of it do. you think is out.

ours well none of it's ours none of it. well I don't know I mean clearly you. know the US government is huge it's the. largest human organization there are I. think then I think there are 2 million. federal employees and another 10 million. Federal contractors so who are. effectively government employees but. don't have Civil Service protection for. example um so that's 12 million people. in a country of 340 million working for. the federal government so it's kind of. hard to overstate how big the federal. government is and how well-funded and so.

to say the government this the. government that no of course it's people. within the government um but yeah. they're working on all kinds of things. obviously uh that are. classified but in general no they they. can't control these objects uh so no. it's not American Technology well or. Russian or Chinese it. predates you know all of that well some. of it does right like for sure the. Kenneth Arnold sightings that was really.

early on that was like the 19 early. 1950s he was seeing these flying saucers. these discs that were moving over. mountains well right I mean the prophet. Ezekiel writes about it in the first. chapter wheels in the sky yeah that's a. crazy one boy when you read that well it. is crazy if you if you read it it's like. oh wow you know. Andel not just you know the Hebrew. scriptures like it's all over every mhm. the viic textas of course so these These. Are Spiritual phenomenon there's no.

evidence they're from another planet I. mean I think that's the op that's the. lie that they're from Mars look space. the atmosphere is really well monitored. right both for military for defense. reasons but also because like it' be. nice to know when asteroids are coming. and there's no evidence has never been. any evidence that there are lots of. these objects these vehicles coming into. our atmosphere from somewhere else some. other planet there's no evidence of that. at all H so they're from here and. they've been here for thousands of years.

whatever they are and um it's pretty. clear to me that they're spiritual. entities whatever that means are. Supernatural and which is to say. Supernaturals means above the natural. above the. observable uh nature and um they don't. behave according to the laws of science. as as measured by people you know and um. and they've been here for a long time. and there's a ton of evidence that are.

under the ocean and under the ground so. like with that fact set what do you. conclude when did you start having this. opinion that they they were spiritual. and that they've always been here like. when when did this well I didn't know. anything about the topic until. 2017 and like was that after the New. York Times piece no it was before it was. before and the things that I saw I mean. like I was and am still a very. conventional person I mean I'm 54 I grew. up in this country in California which. was like.

like every assumption about America I. bought completely just completely and I. thought that everyone who questioned. those assumptions was bad I just bought. into the system completely without even. thinking about it and I imagined that I. was like some kind of freeth thinker and. you know I'm going against the grain but. like the my core assumptions were the. you know the assumptions fed to me by. the culture and the government and I. didn't even realize it but anyway I'd. never really thought about UFOs at all. and I've been in journalism since I was. a kid of course I'd run into a lot of.

people who had crazy views on a lot of. different topics UFOs 911 circumcision. you know like every whack job in the. world you run into when you're covering. stuff fluoride fluoride right I just. brushed with non fluoride toothpaste. this morning me too um. exactly exactly but probably unlike you. I didn't have any opinions like that I. was like fluide come on you know 911. shut up. UFOs you're [ __ ] crazy you know what.

I mean I just like I had this reflex I'm. ashamed of it I'm not bragging about it. but um but it was it was 2017 and really. it was the Trump campaign it wasn't that. I was like so in love with Trump though. I've always liked Trump because you know. he's like hilarious and charming and all. that but I wasn't like a Trumper or. anything um but it was watching that. campaign and particularly his claim that. they were spying on him and I was like. really there not the Intel service and.

federal law enforcement FBI do not spy. on presidential campaigns like that's so. out of the realm that's so crazy like. that could never happen because of. course there's no democracy in a system. like that and fundamentally we democracy. an imperfect one it kind of Lumbers. along you know but like it's not. fake and and then that turned out to be. true and I and I knew it was true and. that just blew my mind so I began a. process still ongoing of reassessing a. lot of other things like okay well if. that was not true what else is not true.

and what else that they told me was a. conspiracy theory might actually have. some basis in fact and um and then. someone from you know a DOD employee. reached out to me and said actually. there's a ton of evidence that this UFO. thing is. real and really and so I started doing. segments on it um when I worked at at. the TV channel and uh and there was like. a lot of mockery but I was like I don't. care I'm just going to do this and then. of course the second you start you know.

better than anybody you start talking. about something then people reach out to. you and some of them are deranged but. some of them aren't at all so I just. started getting a lot of information. from people and meeting with people. mostly in private you know come to my. house let's talk. and and I decided on the basis of what. they told me and then I talked to a lot. of people about it um that actually this. is really a very heavy duty question. actually it's not just it's not the. little green men question it's like a. much bigger question.

and it's really bad it's really dark and. and then I stopped then I was like I. don't want to know anymore because it's. not helping me um at all as a person and. I what information did you get that made. you feel like it's. dark it's so dark well first of all the. deception is always bad like lying is. bad in it and it's bad not just in a. legal sense in that it can be illegal to. lie but it's bad it's like bad for you. like it rots you like being a liar makes. you a bad person when you lie you are.

serving evil there's a moral quality to. it that's. inescapable and very obvious and only. like advanced advanced civilizations. ignore that lying is bad and so if you. have lying at scale which we have on. this topic it's inherently bad okay so. that's the first level the deeper level. is what are okay so if they're Spiritual. Beings which I believe they. are like it's a binary they're either. you know you're on team good or team bad. you can assign any name to it you want.

but like what are these things are they. good or bad and um and I think some of. them are bad and if the US government. knows that or part elements the people. within the US government know that then. you know then they're serving a bad. force and well when you say spiritual. like what what makes you draw that. conclusion that they're spiritual what's. the OB I mean spiritual maybe the wrong. word Supernatural you know they're. beyond nature as we understand it I mean. obviously they are I mean just chart.

their physical Behavior it doesn't you. know it goes outside of what we. understand about. physics no visible means of propulsion. you know coming at Indescribable speed. hitting the ocean continuing at speeds. that are impossible under sea I mean in. other words if I if I take a you know 9. mimet r or 762 x 39 and shoot you at 50. yards underwater and a swimming pool and. it's even more intense in salt water. because it's denser you could catch the. bullet if it even makes it to you right. so if you have a craft any object.

underwater that's traveling at 500 knots. as measured by sonar right there you're. challenging our understanding physics. like what is that how can that be so. they've they've tracked that they've. tracked things going 500 knots Under the. Sea yeah really yeah much much faster. than any object could can actually go. under under SE yo for. sure oh yeah there's a lot of stuff. going on. underwater and um. a lot and there's video of these things.

coming out of the sky into the water and. also emerging from the water right yeah. so it's all so blurry though I don't. think it's trans medium. video yeah I don't think some of it's. that blurry I think some of it's Crystal. Clear um we just don't have access to it. is that what you mean just we haven't. seen itre so they have some stuff for. sure so but there's just a lot going on. under water and it's it's measured and. so whatever I mean these are all again.

this is like the most obvious observable. level of it but then you just ask. yourself like what is this. actually and you know if there's been. extensive knowledge of this for decades. like maybe 80 years at least if not. going back to the 30s 90 years um you. know to what to what end so there are. two possible explanations obvious. explanations the first is the one you. often hear which is this is so. heavy that if the public were to know. about it it would be just disruptive it'.

be too scary like you don't want to. scare people for no good reason there's. nothing we can do about it and you also. don't want to suggest that you know the. US military isn't capable of protecting. the country the. Homeland um and it does suggest that if. you can't control these objects in your. airspace and that's known they can't. that's known okay then that's just a. limit to the power of the US Military. and you don't want to tell people that. because then they like won't believe. that they're safe I get it. but then there's a deeper level which is.

like okay what's your relationship with. these. things what is the US government's. relationship with these things and. there's evidence that there is a. relationship and that it's a. longstanding and that raises like a lot. of questions about intent and um and so. like what is that and I just personally. decided um you know and and people have. been hurt by these things you know. that's a fact that's a fact it's a no. fact it's a provable fact and killed and.

I'm not saying millions of people have. been killed by whatever these things are. but people have been killed and it's. known because it's working its way. through the courts out of the VA so um I. don't know an object that is by. definition Supernatural it's above the. laws of nature as we understand them and. that has resulted in the deaths of. people we don't spend enough time. thinking about like what that adds up to. like not good actually not good how many.

people do you think have died from these. things I don't know but I mean I and is. it radiation sickness is it like what. what is what's the so the person that I. talked to I interviewed someone who was. a Stanford Medical School Professor. who's who's out there and worth talking. to by the way and a um talkinging about. Gary Nolan that's exactly who I'm. talking about who's effectively an. expert witness in these cases so he's an. expert in brain injury do you know him. yeah yeah entirely credible person um. checks all the boxes that I care about.

he's he's got patents so he's like a lot. of Stanford University professors he's. like independently Rich he flew to I. live in a remote place and he flew to my. place at his own expense because he. wanted to tell the story so he he's got. no profit motive here he's the most. highly credentialed person at the. University practically Stanford Medical. School we consider that a big deal uh. and he's worked on this for you know. over 10 years um assess ing the injuries.

to US. servicemen from being in close proximity. to these objects or having contact with. these objects and his conclusion as you. know because you've talked to him is. that there's some kind of energy coming. off here that scrambles people's brains. or kills them and it's not exactly. radiation um at least in his telling to. me so anyway but the point is people. have. died yeah. and so you know it it does raise a lot. of a lot of questions about like what.

the hell right what the hell American. citizens have died and you're hiding it. why are you hiding that why would you. hide. that perhaps because they don't have any. explanations because they they're it's. so beyond our comprehension that they're. still trying to piece it together like I. would wonder how much interaction they. really do have with these things like if. I was from another planet or if I was. some interdimensional being I don't know.

how much I'd give a [ __ ] about the. president I don't know how much I'd give. a [ __ ] about the government I would. probably look at this infantile race. this species this. bizarre territorial Apes with. thermonuclear weapons this very weird. species I I'd probably look at them as. very chaotic and uh I wouldn't really. have much concern for who's running. it especially if they have the ability. to travel at insane speeds and go.

undetected. and well it depends like that okay so. the template that you're using to. understand this is like science fiction. right these are an advanced race of. beings from somewhere else but the. template that every other Society before. us has used is a spiritual one there is. a whole world that we can't see that. acts on people a supernal world it's. acting on us all the time for good and. bad every society has thought this. before ours in fact every society in all. recorded history has thought that until.

I'll be specific August 1945 When we. dropped the atom bombs on hoshima. Nagasaki and all of a sudden the West is. just officially secular we're God there. is no God but us and that's the world. that we have grown up in but that's an. anomally like no one else has ever. thought that there's never been a. society that thought that every other. Society has assumed and they've had all. kinds of different explanations and the. details differ but the core idea does. not differ and never has differed from. caves until now that we're being acted.

on by spiritual forces at all times and. so to someone born before or living. before 1945 I think it would have been. much more. obvious that this is the thing that. every society has written about and in. fact that battle that unseen battle. around us that spiritual battle has like. been the basis of every society of every. Rel every religion not just Christianity. so like it just once you discard your.

very very recent assumptions relatively. speaking about how the world Works. you're like well that kind of seems like. the obvious explanation right H it's not. that obvious to. me so what's what's more obvious do you. think well I I I don't think there's an. obvious explanation I think if I had to. guess some of this stuff is ours and. some of these things are propulsion. systems that they theorized way back in.

the 1950s anti-gravity propulsion. systems things that can operate without. igniting Fuel and pushing something out. that they operate in some completely. different way that utilizes gravity and. almost can instantaneously transport to. new places essentially fold space. time um I don't. know so there there's there's things. that the government does. where they have these.

programs and the people that are sworn. into these programs whether they the. physicists or you know the metallurgists. or whoever these people are that are. working on these programs they don't. tell anybody all their phones are. monitored everything's monitored there's. a so there's a culture of secre ism. that's pretty intense and it's not. inconceivable that over the course of. the last 70 plus years of them. theorizing. and then eventually implementing some of.

these things that they've developed. drones that could move in ways that this. the conventional the people that. understand conventional propulsion. systems could not imagine and that they. figured out a way to do this and to keep. it secret and we're probably not the. only ones work on these. things but where did they get that. information and you know have you you. know Diana Pula you know her work like. they they describe these crafts these.

crash crafts as donations which is. fascinating like that they're left there. the crashed retrieval program the. crashed UAP retrieval program is. essentially they're going like figure. this out we're going to crash this thing. here you figure this out and the. question is if that's true okay where. are these things coming from are they if. if there's something that is so Advanced. that it's decided to leave us a little. Trinket for us to back engineer is that.

from another dimension is that from here. is that from some realm that we just. don't have access to is it from another. planet are we we have drones that are on. other planets right now we have a drone. on Mars we have you know the lunar. Rovers we have satellites that we send. to observe and photograph other planets. we just got really high detailed. photographs of Jupiter they're pretty. amazing but if something was like us on.

another planet and but lived. uninterrupted with technology advancing. for a thousand years 10,000 years a. million years more than us what would. that be like and how much would we be. able to understand of what we're seeing. what would be what would be we be able. to see and this idea that we monitor our. skies sure but if something just appears. and disappears essentially. instantaneously if something literally. can fold time can fold space and just.

tra Traverse between immense distances. almost. instantaneously what are we going to see. what are we going to see and also like. what kind of detection systems do we. have we have radar we have visual we. have uh a bunch of different. military-based detection systems to look. out for enemy crafts and airships and. all that stuff but if you're dealing. with something that's a million years. more advanced than us how much would we.

we be able to detect well so I I think. we're pointing to the same question I. mean I have no doubt that the US. government has technology that we don't. know the details of that makes sense. sure but like where did it come from. right um I'm not even sure this is a. separate question but related not sure. we really know where nuclear technology. came from um actually when you really. yes like the Manhattan Project yeah like. we know the Manhattan know something. about the Manhattan Project but like.

where exactly did that you know came. from Germany German scientists were. working on. okay um the one p a separate. conversation but the one person I know. who's really pushed that I was writing a. book on it um who's a trustworthy person. and a friend of mine I know you know him. um said to me actually I spent a year. working on this and I One the closer I. got to like okay but what's the Genesis. like where the where did this what was. the mo what was the Isaac Newton Apple. on the head o gravity's real moment for. fision. not clear weird I don't know the answer.

but but here's the point clearly. government has technology that we don't. we're not read in on right of course. but so that doesn't answer the question. why have people seen these objects in. the skies for thousands of years. confirmed and what are they and maybe. they're from another planet and my only. point is there's no evidence of that. there's a huge amount a massive Corpus. of evidence that they're seen by people. in our atmosphere you know on Earth.

looking up or in a submarine looking out. and what is that and by the way to your. point like we can't see them coming into. our atmosphere because they don't want. to be seen well then why do they want to. be seen by people on earth like if they. if the technolog is that advanced and. clearly it is why do they make. themselves visible in the first place. well you know when we study primates uh. one of the things that we do if do you. ever watch chimp Nation on NX have a TV.

but the sound of it uh it's an amazing. documentary on Netflix that details. these embedded scientists uh in the. Congo and what's really fascinating. about it is that this group of. scientists or you know related. scientists have been there for 20 plus. years so these chimps have become. entirely accustomed to having human. beings near them so this very specific. rules you stay within 20 yards of them.

you if they come closer you back up you. never have food ever you can't bring any. food there cuz they'll they'll [ __ ] you. up and just steal your food if they find. out you have food you're in real trouble. oh yeah they tear you apart and they. kill each other so they they'll. definitely kill you and so when they. have done this the chimps have become. accustomed to them being there and The. Chimps behave completely normally The. Chimps see them as just an innocuous. part part of their environment they're. not food and they're not enemy they.

don't ever intrude they don't try to. challenge them they don't make eye. contact so they don't worry about the. people at all so they behave completely. like. chimps and if I was an advanced species. and I was studying people and I wanted. the human beings to eventually kind of. catch up right like you're introducing. technology that they call donations. crash Vehicles figure figure out what. fiber optics are here you go check this.

out figure this out try to figure that. out maybe it'll take you decades maybe. it'll take you more but you are. accelerating the technological evolution. of this Advanced species on this planet. and one way to do that would be for what. purpose I wonder well that's a very good. question my my belief is. that biological intelligent life is a. essentially a caterpillar and it's a.

caterpillar that's making a cocoon and. it doesn't even know why it's doing it. it's just doing it and that cocoon is. going to give birth to artificial life. Digital Life it's going to give birth to. a new life form and I think we're real. close to that I think we're way closer. than that to that than most people would. ever want to Adit agree I agree and I. think but can we assign a like a value. to that is that good or. bad that's a good question it depends. universally I think it's the path I.

think it's what happens I. think what this thing is if if you. extrapolate if you take the concept of a. a sentient artificial intelligence that. has the ability to utilize all the. information that every human being has. on Earth at a level of computing that's. far beyond the capabilities of the human. mind and all of our supercomputers that.

currently exist because it'll design. much better computers it'll use quantum. computers it'll have the ability to. recode things and change things it'll. make better versions of itself so. instead of biological evolution which is. very slow it takes a long time. relatively it takes it's pretty quick. really when you think about it like how. long it's not that long to go from being. a single cell organism to being a human. being flying a plane really atively over. the course of a billion years if you.

think about how long the universe has. been around but it's slow compared to. technological Evolution I mean a hundred. years ago we didn't have [ __ ] and now we. have we could send videos from your. phone and it'll hit New Zealand in a. second it's crazy the stuff that we have. now is beyond imagination it's. essentially magic for people a 100 years. ago if that keeps going. it's ultimately going to leave to a life.

form and if that life form has now. untethered it has doesn't have any. problems with biological evolution now. it's just about information and. implementing the technology that's. available and then increasing that. technology and making it better and. better it essentially becomes a. God because if if you give it enough. time it it it doesn't it has the ability. to make better versions of itself which. will in turn make better versions of. itself self it has the ability to.

utilize everything it has the the. understanding of everything that exists. in the universe ex black holes Dark. Matter everything and it probably has. the ability to harness that or even. reproduce. that so if you take artificial sentient. in intelligence and it has this super. accelerated path of technological. Evolution and you give Art. general intelligence sensient artificial.

intelligence far beyond human beings you. give it a thousand years alone to to. make better and better versions of. itself where does that go that goes to a. god it it literally create un kind of. God so like I I think of it this way so. the first stage of the Industrial. Revolution consisted of people building. machines that were stronger than the. human body right right so the steam. powered Loom sure the back hoo com. combustion engine they replace they.

replace muscles right right so that's. what the machine does it it becomes. stronger than the human body the second. stage which we're in the middle of. consists of creating machines that are. more powerful than the human. mind that's what Computing is and I. would say AI or super competing it's. just. that exponentially. uh but that doesn't make it a God in the. sense that the machine however powerful. it is any more than a backhoe is a God.

because it can dig a trench faster than. 100 men it it's still something that. people created so the story hasn't. really changed at the center of the. story are. people and their creative power may lead. to unintended consequences but the. machines that they build did not make. the universe and did not make people. people made the machines right so if and. I but I would say the part I agree with. is there's a spiritual component here. for. sure people will worship AI as a god AI.

Ted kazinski was likely right will get. away from us we will be controlled by. the thing that we made all those are bad. like that's just bad and we need to say. unequivocally it's bad it's bad to be. controlled by machines right machines. are helpmates like they we created them. to help us to make our lives better not. to take orders from them um so I I don't. know why we're not having any of these. conversations right now we're just. acting as if this is like some kind of. virus like Co that spreads across the.

world inexorably there's nothing we can. do about it just wait to get it it's. like no if we agree that the outcome is. bad which and specifically it's bad for. people we should care what's good for. people that's all we should care about. is it good for people or not if it's bad. for people then we should strangle it in. its crib right now right and why to blow. up the data centers like I don't why is. that hard if it's actually going to. become what you just. described which which is a threat to. people. Humanity life then we have a a moral.

obligation to murder it immediately and. since it's not alive we don't need to. feel bad about that well you could say. the same about the atomic bomb right yes. you could and you could say that we have. to develop it like Oppenheimer felt. before the Nazis did I love that how'd. that. work how'd that work well I love by the. way that people on my side I'll just say. I'll just admit it on the right you know. have spent the last 80 years defending.

dropping nuclear weapons on civilians. like are you joking right that's just. like Prima fascia evil if you can't well. if we hadn't done that then this that. the other thing that was actually a. great Savings of life no it's wrong to. drop nuclear weapons on people and if. you find yourself arguing that it's a. good thing to drop nuclear weapons on. people then you are evil like it's it's. not a it's not a tough one right it's. not a hard call for it's not a hard call. for me so with that in mind like why. would you want nuclear weapons it's like. just a Mindless childish sort of.

intellectual exercise to justify like oh. no it's really good because someone else. get how about no how about like spending. all of your effort to prevent this from. happening would you kill Baby Hitler you. know famously. right um so I don't know why we're. sitting back and allowing this to happen. if we really believe it will extinguish. the human race or enslave the human race. like how can that be good well if God. creates everything if God created the. universe and God creates people God.

probably creates a process and we think. that we are very important because we. are very important to us but are are we. very important in a universal sense not. really like if the Earth just imploded. and disappeared if the sun went. supernova and our whole solar system was. blown to bits the universe is still. exists it depends how wi for sure in in. our the end as Conan O'Brien the famous.

philosopher once said every grave goes. unvisited which is true and that's an. important perspective pull out the lens. a little bit does it really matter no it. doesn't but it does matter do your kids. how about this do your children matter. yes sure do their lives matter would you. die for them yes of course everything. matters if you're not comfortable it. matters if you're sitting here like you. don't want to wear headphones like let's. not wear headphones that matters. everything matters the the I mean at. scale what matters most like right is it. that is the evil right the evil is the.

it's the same thing is saying the. necessary evil of dropping nuclear bombs. on civilians is if you don't do that. then there will be more evil then more. things will happen it's kind of the same. thing like it doesn't it well it comes. from the same place which is hubris like. imagining you're God you have unlimited. power and you have omniscience you can. imagine what the future's going to be. you can't you're [ __ ] idiot you're a. person like you can't even make your. wife happy like the limits of your power. are really obvious the limits of your. wisdom same so like don't jump into [ __ ].

big things whose outcomes you can't. predict with certainty like you can't. know go in with humility I guess that's. what I'm saying right so yeah um and do. what you can knowing that you're. probably going to screw it up and you. probably won't achieve your goal but. like you should try and on the AI. question everyone I've ever talked to. but I'm hardly an expert I don't own a. computer okay but um Everybody I've ever. talked to and there's many people like. yeah it's you know could get away from.

us and enslave us well let's say no to. slavery how's that is that a tough one. not for me yeah I mean and maybe a good. use of nuclear weapons would be to hit. the data. centers no I'm I'm Ser like why is that. crazy it's not it's not if you think. that human beings are the end of this. evolutionary CH well what else is some. supercomputer in a data center outside. Dallas airport no I mean you know what I. mean like I don't actually think that.

individuals I don't think I'm that. important my life is that important I. don't I will die I know that and I try. to keep that in mind every day but. you're important to everybody that you. that cares about you you're important to. the people around if we don't think if. we don't think people are important then. what do we think is important I guess. that's what I'm saying it's not. necessarily that we don't think people. are important but if if if evolution is. real and if there is this constant I. don't know but it's it's it's visible. like you can measure it in certain. animals. you can measure adaptation yeah but. there's no evidence that EV in fact I.

think we've kind of given up on the idea. Evolution the theory of evolution is. articulated by Darwin is like kind of. not true in what in what. sense well in the most basic sense the. idea that you know all life emerge from. a single cell organism and over time and. there would be a fossil record of that. and there's not and there's not a fossil. record of uh transitionary species like. species that are adapting to its. environment of record of and you see it. in your own life I mean I have a lot of.

dogs I I see adaptation in dogs you know. through the sure um litter to litter but. no there's no evidence at all that none. zero that you know people you know. evolve seamlessly from a single cell. amoeba no there's not there's not. there's no chain in the fossil record of. that at all and that's why you don't. actually hear people you hear them make. reference to Evolution because the. theory of adaptation is clearly. obviously. true but Darwin's theory is totally un.

that's why it's still a theory almost. 200 years later you know um no we have. not found that at all and I can't even. guess I mean I have my own theories on. it but they're not proven what are your. theories God created people you know. distinctly and animals I mean I think. that's like I think what every person on. Earth thought until the mid 19th century. actually right but it's not a new idea. they they didn't have computer they. didn't have a a general understanding. that we have today of the process do you.

think we understand more now yes really. you don't think that we understand more. today we understand way less we. understand so little that we're actually. sitting here allowing like a bunch of. greedy stupid childless childless. software engineers in Northern. California to like flirt with the. extinction of mankind so no pre previous. generations would be like what no stop. and um we're not doing that because but.

they wouldn't have done that even with. the nuclear bomb I mean obviously the. Manhattan Project was done in secrecy. but they wouldn't have stopped it. because the imperative of getting this. weapon before Hitler got the weapon was. what well Hitler was kind of done by. then um the Russians had pretty much. extinguished any hope that that would. continue but but not the you know we. were in the middle of the logic of war. the commencement of the Manhattan. Project for sure and but the logic was. the same it was you know four years of. got to beat the other guy got it and I.

don't I don't mean to sound too. judgmental about the bomb I know why. they built it okay but you just wonder. why nobody in the middle of that thought. is this really a and some of them did. think it I'm sure they did I mean. Oppenheimer himself of course large. organizations don't respond to the moral. qualms of individuals very well uh so. that was whatever it's it's well known. what happened but no we should pause and. ask is the machine we're building worth. having and nobody seems to do that and.

there are all kinds of economic forces. which nobody ever mentions that drive. that heedlessness that stupidity like. California for example um is completely. the state both of us have lived in is. like like collapsing and they're betting. everything on AI for the the tax base is. going to be dependent on this technology. working and is what they're betting on. of course that AI is did you see the the. most recent thing about the amount of. billions of dollars they spent on the.

homeless problem with no trackable. results well they've had massive results. they've increased the homeless. population dramatically if you pay for. something you get more of it and that. would include fentanyl addicts oh. absolutely it's been a wild success I. actually talked to Kevin Newsome the. other day did you really yeah and um. what's that like does he smell like. sulfur it was by phone I was talking him. on the phone such a weird um he smell. like that was too fast for me sulfur and. hair grease. yeah no but I was making I was making.

fun of I shouldn't even make fun of it. cuz it's so tragic but what's happened. to the state and people living on the. street and what is his non- gasy. perspective he's said go back to Russia. you like Russia so much I was like you. know actually I'm originally from San. Francisco but um I can't live there. because he really told you to go back to. Russ of course I mean he was laughing. whatever um he's a perfectly Charming. guy they all are in person of course. anyway my I'm so far a field but my.

point is AI is being driven by the greed. of politicians to some extent um and. you'll notice that AI by the way as a. fact those data centers that drive our. Digital Life which is not life it's. actually death mostly but um I mean. they're the biggest power draw I mean. what will how much electricity does AI. require like more than countries our. grid can't handle AI just as a practical. matter well our grid can't handle. electric cars Well it can't handle air.

conditioning in the state of California. where I'm from so right if you live east. of I5 where it's really hot and you're. not getting those ocean breezes like. your they have brown outs like in South. Africa it's Johannesburg now so but. here's what's interesting is that none. of the global warming cultists seem to. have any concerns at all about AI why is. that just like they don't have concerns. about John K's G4 like somehow that's. exempt really AI is going to draw more. electricity than anything else in the.

United States more than steel production. okay used to and you don't have a. problem with that but you're totally. against energy because it's destroying. the planet but AI gets a carve out even. though it's going to be the number one. energy draw in the United States let's. go through your reasoning on that. they're probably not aware well they're. tot they're not aware they're mad about. my wood stove I heat with wood they're. mad about my wood stove they don't want. an outdoor barbecue they don't like a. gas stove no they're way into the. details on this stuff except somehow AI.

isn't a problem but do you think that. they're informed because this is not a. narrative that you ever hear you never. hear uh on the news I grew up in a world. where a wood stove was considered. holesome and natural and now it's. considered oh it's the best and the heat. is the I I have a Woodfired sauna which. I use every day and it's the great you. know it's one how do you make sure it's. the right temperature is it like U like. an Offset Smoker like you have to kind. of fiddle with it amazing to get the. right it's time consuming now I have a.

finish um the fins are geniuses but I. have a Finnish uh stove in it and it's. incredibly prec I don't know if you ever. use a wood stove but there's a. carburetor on it basically that lets in. air like a like an Offset Smoker yeah. exactly and it's so precise I mean it's. it's absolutely crazy I mean you move it. you know a third of an inch and it just. like the flame changes so I use Birch. which I love and um the whole process. takes a while get it to 200 which. probably takes an hour and 20 I mean.

it's it's a Thing You Like It Hot Like. It Hot yeah yeah 200 yeah I do it every. I wear a sauna hat so oh okay does that. help which is embarrassing the wool hat. yeah well it's it's felt yeah I bought. one of those I never wore it it's. incredible yeah what's the difference. I'll tell you you're cuz you're duny I'm. so boring on this subject going at this. like my wife and kids are like you see I. have one you know we're you're speaking. to the car the best. go Scandinavia um it's like the one.

thing if your name is Carlson uh it's. the one thing to be proud of and your. people like they're so sad and defeated. and pathetic but um saunas are still. great but anyway uh the sauna hat so. your head heats up much faster because. it's higher but also because it's got. all the capillaries in your head all. blood vessels in your head so the point. of a of a sauna is to bake right so you. want to stay hot as long as you can then. you reap the benefits and you also get. the Solitude and the prayer time or the. meditation or whatever in your Cedar.

church and but you can't stay in a sauna. that's really hot very long because your. head heats up right so the Sonic hat the. felt hat the B hat as they call it. insulates your head so you can you can. really stay hot a long long. time um it makes a you really should do. it so is it just because it makes it. more comfortable is that the idea if. your head overheats you know it just. overheats and you want is you want to. cook evenly just like on a barbecue you.

know you really do and so you know you. sit on the bench with your feet up you. want to be as flat as you possibly can. to cook evenly and to stay that way so I. do I try to do 20 minutes I have my you. know my timer U my egg timer with the. sand going through The Hourglass and I. which goes to 15 minutes but I try to. stay an extra five if I can and um and I. couldn't without the B hat interesting. it's like eight bucks on Amazon. well worth it yeah I I have one like I. said I just don't use it but I I do.

they're embarrassing and you look like a. tool wearing it yeah but you shouldn't. have but no one's looking in there. anyway well that's right you don't s. with other people right well I do. sometimes yeah Comics we get in here. yeah yeah yeah when we uh train together. we all get in the saong together. afterwards it's fun The Rock was in. there with us no way yeah the rock. worked out with us then sat in the sauna. with us it was fun got in the Cal plunge. with us oh that's pretty great it was. fun is he a good dude he's a great guy. really nice guy like really I've heard.

that I don't know him but I've heard. that he's a good you know some people. fake humble they fake it to look cool. it's pretty obvious yeah he's not doing. that he's he's a real guy like the. measure of humility is really really. simple can you tell the truth about. yourself yeah you know yeah well you. know are you just are you cool to be. around like he he gives real hugs you. know he's a real guy I love he's real. he's a real guy and we when we hung out. with him we were I hung out with them. for hours we worked out for like 2 hours. and then we got in the sauner together.

we all hung out then we did a podcast. together he's a genuinely nice guy like. You' you'd be able to sniff something. out you can tell like something you tell. something you know people are hiding. stuff yeah but um so yeah I do I've done. the SAA with other people I do it by. myself so no one sees my SAA I do it at. 196 degrees I do it for 25 minutes and. uh us I don't that's intense 196 for 25. minutes is a lot yeah the last five. minutes are rough and I used to only do. 20 but lately I've been doing 25 really.

yeah just because it's more. uncomfortable the whole idea is just to. to make it more uncomfortable I want it. to be very hard to do so that the rest. of my day is pretty easy so really hard. workout cold plunge starts the day. that's the the the first thing I do is. hard it's 3 minutes at 33 degrees it. sucks and then I get out of there and. then I work out so um it's really. impressive I me night. I had the opposite training as a young. man which was the goal was like french.

toast you know what I mean French toast. grind out the cigarettes in the syrup. when you're done yeah well I I started. doing martial arts when I was a young. man and when I got into it it was the. first thing that I had ever did that. first of all gave me a real. understanding of the value of discipline. and hard work yeah because uh you can. get as good as the amount of effort that. you put forth and if you put more effort. and you're more tense and you're more. driven than other people you beat them. and you start beating everyone and you.

start you start becoming this thing that. you never thought you could be which is. someone who's extraordinary at something. that's very dangerous and so that was my. formulation as a man like that that. helped me go from being this like. confused kid to being someone who. understands like oh there's a path and. most people don't want to do it but if. you could do it if you can do this. dangerous thing that people are. terrified of and just do it ruthlessly.

all day long like live it I lived at the. gym I mean I taught all day long I I. trained all day long my my whole life. was dedicated to martial arts so I got. really good really quick and it it. changed the whole trajectory of my life. and it instilled in me this. understanding of the value of dedication. and of a singular commitment to. something to really being while you're. doing you're not distracted you're fully.

focused on. improving and through that you could. apply that to all aspects of your life. but we all encounter difficult things in. life and there's this saying that I love. it's a really great saying that the the. hardest thing that's ever happened to. you is the hardest thing that's ever. happened to you if it's a parking ticket. or if it's your parents being blown up. by a drone it's still the hardest thing. that's ever happened to you if you've. had an incredibly easy life like most. people today yeah they complain about. the dumbest [ __ ] [ __ ] because to them.

that is their primary focus they don't. have a real existential threat you. remember how nice everybody was after. 911 very it was crazy California was. patriotic there's [ __ ] flags on. everybody's car everybody was friendly I. went to New York City it was like a. totally different place everybody was so. friendly applauding when firemen walked. in they were Heroes everybody was a hero. and that's because they had encountered. something that was way harder than they. were were accustomed to and it just put. things into perspective so for me.

training and really hard workouts and. doing difficult things like the sauna. there's a lot of health benefits to it. too but the mental benefits to it are. really primary for me because it makes. it's impressive I didn't have a. childhood like that at all and we were. decadent. unfortunately and uh so those are. lessons that I learned much much later. but yeah it's that's a that's a good I. think it's a if it doesn't destroy you I. think it's a great way to you don't have. to do it the way I do it you could do.

other stuff you could do yoga you could. do hikes you could do doing things for. the sake of the difficulty in doing them. yes I I love that again that was not not. not my training at all yeah um I was. very lucky that it was mine but more. importantly it gave me a tool to. mitigate the stress of regular life and. the especially the stress of this kind. of life that I live you you need. something to mitigate that you agree. with that completely you'll go crazy.

yeah you know removing yourself from it. a little bit has always worked for me. you know nature Works a very very well. yeah animals contact with animals people. you love sure less digital experiences. fewer digital experiences for. sure I think that stuff's not good for. you it's just so obviously not good for. you I was having this conversation with. Michelle Dow yesterday she is uh a woman. who survived an apocalyptic cult she was.

raised in apocalyptic cult and kicked. out when she was 17 cuz she snuck out to. go see the color purple they weren't. allowed to go see movies she had never. seen a movie until she was 17 she'd. never seen a movie and her first movie. was the color purple and then they. kicked her out they I can kind of see. that I mean what about Raiders of the. Lost Arc or something The Color Purple. was the first movie she'd ever seen I. know but like you see one movie and it's. the color purple a boy invited her to. the movie but could you imagine never. seeing a movie or even a television show. your whole life and then seeing a boy.

who wanted to see the color purple like. there's so much going on here Joe well. this boy was a guy who had left the. church and so she was in contact with. him and you know and he was saying hey. there's a whole world out here you want. to go see the movie and she's like okay. let's go yeah I mean obvious look I'm. totally against Colts um obviously on. the other hand you do you got to ask. yourself like I don't know is your. average Amish teenager.

happier than your average conventional. American Teenager on Instagram and of. course the answer is oh yeah well they. certainly have less instances of autism. which is really fascinating it's very. very fish have less autism yeah there's. almost none well I'm not surprised it's. extremely rare what do we think that is. I wonder I really did I can think of a. couple yeah that's funny I don't want to. go Bobby Kennedy that's the problem if. you go Bobby Kennedy they'll come for. you the question is why why look and I.

don't I don't know the answer but how is. that not in the de debate how is that. not in the conversation well it's not. only not in the conversation you're. punished for adding it to the. conversation and so like we are dancing. around antiva conspiracy theories right. now why why be on the defensive it's. like if you purport to represent science. and you're mad about a question and. you're ignoring data yeah but even with. in the absence of data right science is. the is a process yes it's not a result. it's a way of doing things and at the.

core of science is asking questions. including unlikely questions right that. that's what science is right and if you. don't allow that then you know you're. you may be doing something but what. you're not doing is science we we can we. can say that conclusively so for people. to wrap themselves in the mantle of. Science and attack you for asking a. question um you know they're frauds and. I don't know how they have the moral. High Ground in this I don't think they. do but I think it's the same kind of. mindset that allows people to create the.

nuclear bomb because you say listen like. like let's we're not even saying that. vaccines cause autism but let's let's. say this if you're looking at all the. data of all the things that cause autism. and you see that the vaccine schedule. ramps up considerably and then you. have autism which seems to at least be. more diagnosed than ever before people. will instantly say we stopped polio we.

stopped small poox vaccines have saved. millions of lives and they're probably. right we Dro that bomb to keep Germany. from dropping that bomb we need nuclear. weapons so that other people don't have. nuclear weapons we do a thing that maybe. has some negative effects but is overall. good and I think you can kind of apply. that sort of logic and reason as a human. being to very messy issues I think. people do that way people do that with.

abortion right sure they do that with. abortion they a woman has a right to. choose reproductive Freedom they say all. these things and then you say okay what. if the baby is near. term what if it's 6 months old what if. it's s months old and people don't want. to have that conversation a woman has. the right to choose you're a fascist. stay out of women's bod do woman have a. right to kill you if you annoy her or. inconvenience her well it's this is. where gets weird like when is it a life. but it is one of those things that to me.

is a human problem whereas humans have. these very. messy interactions with some things that. don't line up with their ideology and. there's an ideology of science worship. there's an ideology of authoritarian. worship the the bodies of science have. bestowed the truth if you ignore it. you're science denier and you know. that's those are political terms or.

theological terms um they're not terms. rooted in science and look I we all make. tradeoffs constantly you know what. there's you know everything's bad it's a. [ __ ] Sandwich versus a [ __ ] croissant. I'll take the [ __ ] croissant it's. smaller you know like that's that's a. daily experience for everybody so I get. that and I don't think everything is a. moral absolute either you know we don't. even know um sometimes whether a. decision will result in good or bad so. like it's very complicated I totally.

agree with that what I object to is the. absence of reason right like you have to. believe because I think it's true that. if you're. reasonable that you can reach maybe not. the perfect decision but a better. decision and if we don't believe that. then we're just in the land of. Witchcraft and let's just admit it so. the lack of reason is what freaks me out. well it's ideological capture right. because there's certain things that if. you are on the right side of these.

subjects the correct side whatever your. your ideology believes you can't you. can't differ from the doctrine there's a. there's a very clear do religion then it. is yeah it is religion so I'm very pro-. religion but you can't have a religion. that's too stupid and destructive if. your religion winds up hurting a lot of. people then I'm against your religion. like that's right yeah I think but even. some really good religions have aspects. of them that you could say were overall.

detrimental to the people that were sure. absolutely you could say encountered. with them I think. that that kind of thinking I think cult. thinking whether it's Scientology or. whether it's Christianity or there's. like a type of thinking or it's woke. woke is clearly a cult it's a mind virus. and I think that you call it's it's so. trit to call it that now it's like. whatever this thing is this left ISM. this Marxist sort of ideology that's.

waving its flag and and indoctrinating. people in this country it's very similar. to all kinds of religions it's very. similar to. fundamentalist religions that have. always existed in that everybody has to. believe very specific things and you. can't differ you can't differ from the. doctrine and when so here's another way. to think about it that I've been think. I've been meditating on this a lot. it yes religion politics they're all. kind of melding it's hard to know where.

one ends and another begins right so. maybe a simpler and more useful way to. think about it is truth or. falsehood lying or. honesty maybe just assess everything. that way is someone lying I don't care. what your justification for it is lying. about vaccines they've lied a lot about. vaccines and they've done it I think in. most cases because they feel like. they're serving some greater good right. well that's the narrative right right we. can't tell people that there are vaccine. injuries because they won't get vaccines. which are good for a big population I.

understand the thinking but you how. about this you can't participate in. lying you can't lie you can't lie and. you period though you can't lie about. anything just don't lie about anything. try to tell the truth all the time if. you can't say something that's true just. don't say it right you're not required. to say everything you think obviously. and you shouldn't say everything you. think but you should never lie and if. you just stick with that like you get. pretty quickly back to reason and Order. don't you yeah yeah no you're making. complete sense and I think that um this.

is the problem when people have. information and power above other people. well right that's for sure which is the. problem of governments which is also the. problem of cult leaders yeah you know. cult leaders they get completely. infatuated with this idea of being. omnipro and this this power that has. control over giant swats of people and. you get to dictate their behavior and. you get to tell them what to think. that's very intoxicating and it's it's.

it's common it's common in that it's. always existed throughout human history. it's a thing that people do when they. get power they abuse the [ __ ] out of it. and if they think that you're too stupid. to know the truth and that they're. better than you because they do think. they're better than you because they're. running things it's a natural. inclination it's a natural thought that. people have if they're the ones if if. you guys are a bunch of dopes that uh. are are just listening to my orders and. I tell you how to live your life and. what to do I'm naturally going to think.

I'm better than you well that's I mean. people have live lived under those. systems since there have been systems. but always what makes it particularly. ging and hard to live with is when you. call that system a democracy right. that's too dishonest for me it's I would. much rather live in a monarchy where. everyone thinks the King has been. assigned by God to rule over us and his. whims are law and you know that makes. sense I don't like it but at least it. has internal coherence right when they.

stand up and pass a $60 billion funding. bill for Ukraine when 70% of the. population doesn't want it when they're. ignoring the actual problems in our. country like the economy and the border. and they're calling in Congress over the. weekend to pass something that people. don't want while ignoring the things. that people do want and if they do the. same kind of thing again and again for. like 50 years and they call it a. democracy that will drive you insane. yeah because it's just too dishonest why. not just say we don't give a [ __ ] what. you want we are getting something out of.

this Ukraine funding whether it's like. the thrill of being Masters of the. Universe or whether it's money from the. defense contractors whatever we're. getting out of it is more important to. us than your opinion this is not. self-government you don't run this. country we do shut up and Obey if they. at least said that you'd be like okay I. get it those are the terms but if I get. another [ __ ] lecture from Joe scarre. about defending democracy when this is. not a democracy it's not even a close. approximation of a democracy then I'm. going to go crazy cuz I just can't deal.

with the lying yeah does that make sense. it does make sense what's interesting is. that there are people saying that now. and I think that's a relatively new. thing in terms of mainstream media it's. and I consider what you do on X. mainstream media I mean this is what. we're on right now is essentially. mainstream media it used to be you could. call it there's corporate controlled. media. I agree and and that used to be. mainstream media mainstream media used.

to be CNN it's not really anymore. mainstream media is what in terms of the. volume consumed more people are. consuming things on Twitter on X than. there are on anything else they're. they're consuming information through. the internet through YouTube for good or. for bad whether it's correct or. incorrect they're consuming information. in in different forms now than ever. before so more people are saying what. you're saying than have ever said it. before and when when people lie and when.

people [ __ ] and Gaslight it's more. offensive now than it's ever been before. because there's so much access to truth. that it's just you could see it now if. you're paying attention if you're not a. boomer who only reads the newspaper you. you pay attention and you see it you go. this is horseshit but it's it's like I. guess what bothers me is that the lies. aren't sophisticated no I mean I look. back over my Now sort of long life and. I'm recognizing all the times that I was. lied to but you know I didn't know I was.

being lied to they kind of pulled it off. there's something incredibly insulting. and demeaning to tell me a lie when I. know it's a lie and you know I know it's. a lie we both know it's a lie but you're. demanding that I pretend to believe it. what you're really saying is I have no. respect for you you're like my dog right. you're a. slave like I'm in that you participate. in my lie right the lack of stealth um.

really do that I'm not explaining very. well but that that really bothers me a. well there's no real other way to lie. you you like some of these lies like. politicians like did you see that. conversation that AOC had with that man. they brought in for the the Biden case. and they were talking about uh what what. crimes and she was she was like grilling. this guy what crimes did you see Joe B. did he steal anything did he steal bread. like I forgot what she said but and he.

was trying to explain what they were. Rico crimes and she was saying Rico is. not a crime it's a category of crime. like okay all right but tell that to the. jevy family not only that it's so dumb. to say that publicly like and say it. with confidence and to tell a person. that's the thing the the marriage of. inaptitude and high self-esteem is it's. really the marker of our time it's like. I have nothing against dumb people at.

all my dogs are dumb and I love my dogs. no I'm serious I don't think God cares. about your intelligence right only. people care and so it's not a moral. category and stupidity is not a I mean. someone with Down Syndrome I I really. believe better people than I am you know. more likely to go to heaven so I'm not. attacking her for being dumb but the. idea that a dumb person has no the White. House PR secretaries in the same. category who has no idea she's dumb and. she really thinks like she won prize. like she's the most impressive like I'm. white house prary because I'm the best.

talker in. America so it's so crazy and yet the. smartest people I know are very often. like sort of well I'm you know they have. humility well also she's following uh. Kaylee mcenany is that how you say her. name I don't really know who that is she. was the last white house president you. don't know who that is I she the goat I. sort of do she's the goat greatest White. House Press Secretary of all time she's. the best I had stopped paying close. attention by that she had all the.

documents she would kill them she when. whenever she would get called out like. whenever there would be a question she'd. say that's interesting and then she'd. open the because you said this and your. paper said that and CNN said this and. and she would call them out on stuff and. she was just really really well. prepared very articulate she was. wonderful good for her we I mean that's. what it should be but she was operating. under President Trump you know so. obviously she's demonized it's just I. kind can't believe you don't know who. that is no I don't I know who it is but.

I um it's just funny the she's the goat. well that's I had stopped watching all. briefings by then I used to go to the. briefing as a kid I used I mean I. literally would go there be in the. briefing room the former Kennedy. swimming pool and you and the first. thing you not I mean I was never a White. House reporter but I would was a. reporter so I would go to them. occasionally and the first thing you. notice is how impressed all the. correspondents are to work there I work. at the White House work the White House. got my my heart pass and then the. distance between that that little.

credential they were so proud of and the. reality of their lives was like insane. like they're in this tiny little room. they're being treated with total. contempt by the White House staff who. thinks they're just [ __ ] animals you. know it's like shut up they're eating. out of vending machines and this was a. different time right so like when I was. working as a journalist in Washington. like we went out to lunch every day at. like a good restaurant and charge it to. the company and like with your sources. like we had lunch every single day like.

civilized people I don't even think that. exists in the world anymore where you. had time for lunch where you weren't. just so under the gun from your. corporate Masters you had to like get. back to work we we ate lunch and I. remember thinking these people don't eat. lunch they eat like a a stale Mounds bar. out of a vending machine like they bring. quarters to work so they can eat I. remember thinking your life like is. you're you're not even human you're just. like a little puppet or something and. but you're so impressed and like all. your neighbors know you know he he works.

at the White House he's in the White. House Press Corps and the job like. wasn't even really a job you would just. like sit there and ask your question in. your little assigned seat like you're in. a high school. gym it was just awful and I just had no. respect for people who did that for a. living at all did you ever read it Fear. and Loathing on the campaign Trail come. on yeah yeah yeah it's amazing it's. amazing that guy uh gave sort of the be. that's I think probably the best window.

into an outsider in the political. process at least in terms of the. campaign Trail it's the best window to. the press the best window to the. relationship that they had with the. politicians at least in the. 1970s it's a it's an amazing book I was. talking to a campaign reporter I never. do that anymore but um I was this week. actually and he was telling me it's like. totally different like when I did it you. were all on a I mean it was bad actually. it was because it just cultivated group. think which was then leveraged by the by.

the candidate for better coverage like. the whole thing was kind of an OP. actually but it was at least fun like. you were on a charter plane and like. you're flying with everybody and youd. hit three or four cities a day and like. their cocktails on the plane and you. know naughty behavior and like you know. they fed you and they kind of DED. everything for you it was it was it was. fun it was like a road trip right mhm. and now it's just like Grim they're all. driving alone and their little rental. cars to some obscure town in Iowa to sit. there with no access whatsoever to the.

candidate write up their little reports. and then they get back to their hotel. and they're like writing up more for the. website and like it's just an a it's. such a bad job actually covering. politics that only the people who. couldn't make it in any other business. are doing it it's like the it's like a. reverse meritocracy it's only the most. kind of pathetic power worshippers would. ever do a job like that and um well like. critics yes that's exactly right most.

critics want to be writers the most. they're like the worst people just as. people like well you've actually been in. show business so you have got better. experience with them or you have a lot. of experience with them but I've known a. lot of them who work for magazines or. newspapers that I work for and they're. the kind of people who have a lot of. cats and all the cats hate them you know. what I mean. they're just they're just like the. lowest they all have some like sort of.

weird like wandering eye and they're fat. and they're like super into porn and. totally isolated from everybody I. actually. worked for for one of them for a while. who was a Critic for the New York. Post a guy called John P hearts and he. was he was one of the weirdest most. unhappy people I've ever met in my life. and he would come into my office. occasionally and he was rub his he had a. really hairy back and he would rub it. against the door frame this and like say.

these kind of obscure he was stupid but. he didn't know that he was he was. actually kind of dumb but he didn't know. it and he would kind of philosophize I. was like 10 years younger and I was his. captive so he would just like lecture me. as he was rubbing against the door frame. and one time we went out to lunch and uh. we all had drinks of course this is like. mid90s he didn't really drink but he. ordered this drink with like a an. umbrella and and it had a water piece of. watermelon on the rim of the glass and. he took the watermelon ate it and then.

he ate the Rind I'll never forget that. watching him eat the rind and thinking. of course this guy's a. Critic was his true love he was editing. this magazine but like his his real. interest was in writing about movies. and it was and they're just sad people. who did you ever read uh you know CIS. and Ebert did you ever read when uh CIS. Roger eert rather wrote wrote a he wrote. a screenplay no it's very bizarre it's. it's really sexual very strange it's.

supposed to be terrible of course I've. read passages in it it's terrible but I. remember going. oh okay yeah they're not they're not. creative they're creative adjacent well. they don't have anything to contribute. that's what I'm saying they don't have. creative power right so. they're they probably could figure it. out if they had a different mindset I. think creativity is everybody it's just. a matter of how 100% it's in everybody. it just requires honesty yeah the.

impediment to creativity is lying sure. and yeah I used to say that about joke. thieves that one of the real problems. with joke thieves is when they get. caught and then they have to write their. own material and the problem is they. don't understand the language they just. know how to say the sounds like if you. told me what to say in French I can't. speak French but if you told me what to. say and I practice it and I said it. right you would think wow that guy. [ __ ] speaks French yes so that's what. comedy's like so if you got a guy who. knows how to repeat other people's jokes.

but he doesn't know how to create them. see comedy is one of the rare things. where someone when when a like you get a. guy like uh Shane Gillis that guy writes. his own stuff he edits it it he thinks. it out in his head he performs it he. produces it he changes the order of. things I love that it's a complete. everybody does it pretty much the same. way there's a few guys that hire writers. and there's that's honorable there's. nothing wrong with hiring a writer and. it's also it gives jobs to other Comics. cuz some Comics are just really good.

writers and they're not so good at. performing and so people will work on. stuff they'll collaborate on stuff like. Chris Rock would do this thing where he. would hire comics and they didn't write. the jokes for him but they would be like. guys who would bounce stuff off so he. would have his ideas he would go on. stage and then after his set they would. all meet and they would talk about the. set and you know guys would have. taglines like you could say this oh. great and they write that down they're. adding so it's a collaboration so you. have the the the master you have Chris.

Rock who is so open-minded and. intelligent and humble that he brings in. other Masters and says tell me what I'm. doing wrong tell me what I could change. tell me what I can make better and they. work together and then there's people. that have people that are essentially. ghost riters they hire Comics to write. jokes for them they pretend they're. theirs and they don't really write them. at all so that's another level which is. to also anyone who does that get. successful I don't know I don't know I. don't not top shelf they get clo they do.

well there's there's people that have. people right for them and they do well. but they're not the guy that everybody. goes to they're not David tell they're. not the guy that everybody goes to see. they're not the like David tell is the. guy the comics go to see when he's in. town yes like he just he's a master he's. you watch him he's Yoda you're like. Jesus Christ like how is he so good well. he's so good because he writes every day. because he's sitting with [ __ ] a pack. of cigarettes and a cup of coffee every. morning writing things in a notebook and. he's practicing every day he goes on.

stage constantly and he's just it's that. Japanese term Kaizen where you take this. one thing and just refine it to its. ultimate Mastery that's what he's doing. so these guys who pretend to be that and. steal jokes and then they get caught. then their material drops off a cliff. it's so obvious because frauds yeah also. because the very thing that allows you. to steal someone's jokes that's an ego. thing that's a like I want the laughs I.

want to be the man or the woman I want. to be the [ __ ] one up there showing. everybody ah look how amazing this. person is right look how amazing that's. the opposite mindset that's required for. creativity so creativity is not about. you creativity is about the ideas. creativity is about things creativity is. about how does this concept work with. these other Concepts how do I how do I. get it in the most digestible form if I. was an audience member what would be.

like to feel this how what's the best. way to introduce it what's the way to. make it so that people don't think that. I'm being mean that I have a point or. that I've thought this through this is. not just a flippant thing like you're. allowing someone when you when someone's. on stage you're allowing that person. almost to think for you like you're like. take me on a ride like I I'll give you. my mind I'm not going to I'm not going. to be thinking I would do I'm not going. to I'm just going to let you think for. me if that person's not doing a good job.

of that if it's clunky if it's shitty if. the the the transitions suck if the way. then it just interrupts this hypnos. hypnotism that you've put on me this. hypnosis it's it's a now I'm not let. inherently fraudulent yeah right I mean. I'm giving control of my mind over to. someone who is himself under the control. of somebody else. do you know what I mean mean if you're. stealing no if I'm in the audience right. and I would say this also goes for for.

ideas for commentary you know that's not. funny but that's real right and you see. it a lot I've seen it a lot yeah you see. [ __ ] a lot well the number of people. who are totally not controlled who are. really saying what they actually believe. with no weird agenda that they're not. telling you about is pretty small yeah. and I just have noticed that a lot. recently particularly on the question of. wokeness and Free Speech there are a lot. of people who are like on your side. because they're for free speech who.

we're not actually for free speech at. all who are pushing uh you know a very. specific foreign policy agenda for. example and using another issue to lower. your defenses and let themselves into. your brain um and I think that's really. Sinister really really really Sinister. and it's becoming more obvious now like. if you're for free speech then you're. just for free spee because you support. the principle it doesn't the content of. the speech is is not that interesting to. you the fact that a sovereign human.

being has the right to express himself. because he's not a slave he's a citizen. and a human being like that's what. matters yeah and if all of a sudden you. like become famous like I'm for free. speech and then you support silencing. people who articulate opinions you. disagree with like you're a fraud you're. kind of a Sinister fraud yeah yeah and I. that cuz that's the business I'm in I. boy I've really noticed that have you. noticed this yes and that's also the the. same kind of thing when you hear them. talk if you hear someone talk that's.

saying something that's kind of. horseshit you it resonates with you that. that's you've you've seen you had a. moment with Barry Weiss on your show. that went everywhere I saw a clip of it. I never saw the show itself but she was. going on about she was posing as one. thing and then you pressed her like well. hold on a second what do you mean by. that you just attack somebody and she. had no idea what she was talking about. and it became really clear to me. watching that completely changed my view. of Barry Weiss forever I was like oh. this she's a fraud actually this.

person's not honest at all like she has. a a very specific agenda that's all she. cares about the rest of the stuff is. just a is a kind of slight of hand. maneuver you're talking about the thing. with tulsy gabber that's correct yeah. she called her a to and she didn't know. what that meant well but she had no idea. like telsey gabard had straight outside. the lines on some Syria or something. uhuh um and and Barry Weiss was you know. going through the files in her head like. what does she have to.

believe and she was aware that you know. tulsy Gabbert has somehow violated that. in a way that no one's willing to say. like in detail to fully articulate what. did Tulsa Gabbert do wrong no one will. tell you she's just bad yeah and then. what that revealed about Barry Weiss is. she's completely dishonest like she's a. liar actually you can't if by the way if. you attack somebody particularly. personally and can't explain why you're. attacking the person. like that's not acceptable you're a. dishonest person if you can't explain. why I think it's a common thing that.

people do in private and they get. accustomed to speak like we're we're. talking like we're talking in private. we're just two people talking right so. people get accustomed to saying things. without being able to back them up you. know like oh he's a vaccine denier I've. done a ton of that in my life I as well. because I'm an [ __ ] so it's like I. just don't like that person okay I have. as well but what I'm saying is I don't. know how much time Barry Weiss had spent. doing podcasts before that well she. spent a look I'm I'm just saying.

like but I think important to be honest. about what your agenda is I think she is. honest I think she is honest and I. really like her I like talking her she's. a very intelligent against her. personally I just think that was a. mistake and I think you're allowed to do. that and hopefully learn from that and. don't do that anymore don't don't say a. thing that you and I've done that I've. done definitely done that I've said a. thing and I wasn't really exactly sure. what I was talking about my gosh I do. every day and I may have just done it. with Barry Weiss so let me be a lot more. specific about what I mean if your.

agenda is neocon politics which is her. agenda just say so don't pretend to be a. defender of free speech as a principle. which is what she does how is she a. defender of neocon politics very wise. yeah like what what. specifically well anyone including me. and tulsy gabard who thinks that America. shouldn't be funding Wars that don't. help America she will attack um as as a. Traer to America or whatever whatever it. takes and so no no no that's her that's. her main interest which is fine and by.

the way I actually have friends who I. disagree with really strongly on this. question who believe in neocon politics. doesn't mean they're terrible people or. I hate them or I'm not friends I'm still. friends with them but they're very. direct about it this is what I care. about okay fine you know I really care. about bird hunting and fly fishing and. or whatever I can and you don't that's. totally cool but be honest about it so. if your job is to defend the right of. free people to say what they really. believe then go ahead and defend it and.

if somebody is not allowed to speak or. fired from his job for having an opinion. that you disagree with defend him anyway. I I just interviewed a guy who is a. black nationalist socialist okay so I'm. obviously not much of a black. nationalist I don't know if you're aware. of that but I'm not and I'm not a. socialist either but this guy is facing. prison time under the Biden doj because. he said things they don't like about. foreign policy and I just interviewed. the guy for an hour and it was like I'm.

because on principle you should be able. to say what you think period what is. this gentleman's. name I he was actually a it turns out I. like loved him um oh and I'm embarrassed. I can't he's he's a member of a pretty. small black nationalist socialist group. it's like the Revolutionary black. nationalists or something like that. they're out of uh out of Southwest Flor. Florida and um he's literally facing. prison for repeating Russian. disinformation he's not even accused of.

doing anything he's accused of saying. things that Biden doj doesn't like well. in a what were these things that he said. repeating Russian propaganda about about. the invasion of Ukraine and his point. was well there's a backstory here which. is that NATO has been moving Eastward. since. 1991 and that's a massive threat to. Russia missiles on their border from a. hostile power is a threat and and the. bid Administration accelerated that and. in response Putin invaded eastern.

Ukraine now you can disagree with that. but that's hardly a crackpot view by the. way I think it's actually true but even. if you don't agree that it's true that's. not you don't have to be a paid. propagandist of the from the Kremlin to. say that right I have said it I'm not a. paid propaganda is this a gentleman. that's him right there four Americans. from a black ower organization work with. Russian intelligence to spread. propaganda fed to spread propaganda now. propaganda. first of all you know there's a lot of. propaganda scroll up a little on that. Jamie so I can read what this is saying.

it's covered up oh okay right guy that. guy right there okay subscribe real. quick yeah the people's Democratic Uhuru. movement in St. Petersburg so so he contacted he spoke. with someone in Russia they spoke with. people in Russia and then he no no no he. is being um he's charged with felonies. the FBI raided his house the first thing. they did was cover up the security. cameras and they went in there and. arrested they raided by the.

FBI okay Russia's foreign intelligence. service allegedly weaponized our first. amendment rights freedoms russan to. divide Americans and interfere elections. in the US say Assistant Attorney General. Matthew Olsen now first of all. weaponized our first amendment rights no. your first your first amendment rights. are never a crime right they're. god-given. the government did not bestow them you. were born with them as a free person. period and the First Amendment simply.

says you can't interfere with their. exercise that's it and in this they are. and and I looked at I I read this and I. thought and I reached out to this guy by. the way Matthew Olsen no I wish Matthew. olon would never do my show I mean the. guy whose salary I pay as a US citizen. no he would never speak to me listen. look at that that quote Russia's foreign. intelligence Services Alle allegedly. weaponized our first amendment rights. freedoms Russia Den its own citizens to. divide Americans and interfere in. elections in the United States that you.

got to like why are you saying that say. what happened well but nothing but. nothing happened so that's the thing so. I'm reading this someone sent it to me. and I'm like okay clearly there's a. crime here like they were found with I. don't know mortar shells or they were I. mean usually the government makes up. they put kitty kitty porn on your. computer at least to discredit you. there's no underlying crime other than. they said something that the foreign. policy is establishment of the United. States disagrees with okay that's not a. crime by definition and this guy is. facing life in prison and it looks to me.

cuz no one cuz Barry Weiss has not. defended him um I think this guy is. likely to spend the rest of his life in. prison and I'm like this is. crazy the rest of his life in prison yes. okay hold this is the thing he's I think. he's 83 yes how do you say his name. yella and three other US citizens Penny. Joanne hes Jesse Nel and August C Roma. Jr are charged with conspiracy to. defraud us hess uh oh okay you defraud.

the United States uh hes yella and Nel. are also charged with impersonating. agents of a foreign government okay they. say to defraud the United States so. defraud suggests theft of something of. value right if I defraud you I steal. your money there's no allegation of that. at all and I actually read the charges. there's no the only allegation is they. said things that the US government the. bid Administration doesn't like that's. it and because they're unpopular and.

they have views that are considered quot. quote sh. Fringe you know like crazy black. nationalists nobody wants to defend them. and my only point is not that I'm like. such a principled person this Al this. seems very obvious to me you can't allow. that you absolutely cannot allow that if. you believe in the first amendment in. the freedom of free people to say what. they think think so what this this. implication is they're saying that they. they were recruited um by the FSB so it.

says uh prosecutor said ianov operated. an entity called the anti-globalization. movement of Russia that was used to. carry out its US influence efforts. overseen by the Russian intelligence. service known as FSB they recruited. us-based organizations to help sway. elections make it appear there was a. strong support in the US for Russia's. invasion of Ukraine and backed efforts. such as the 2015 United Nations petition. to decry the genocide of African people.

in the US according to the. indictment back efforts what does that. mean look at that like it's negative to. back efforts to such as the 2015 United. Nations petition to decry the genocide. of African people but what just look at. that statement backed. efforts such as a thing to decry. genocide the United Nations Petition of. 2015 to decry the genocide of African.

people in the US according to the. indictment okay so the real. misinformation and propaganda is in the. charging documents actually the real. Liars here are the Biden doj officials. who did this and they're dangerous. they're criminals in my opinion but if. you read it carefully you will see that. the only crime is having opinions. that the people in charge didn't like. and were they in contact with people. from Russia yeah I think they went over.

to Russia for some. conference so so they went over by way. but the way this typically works is they. say well you went to a country against. which we've imposed sanctions right and. you violated the sanctions regime in. some way like that's how they get you. they're not even alleging that they're. not even alleging that they're just. saying you said things that we don't. like that by the way a foreign. government we don't like agrees with. they learned those when they went over. to Russia learn it's all on the internet. they're they learned them I mean I guess.

it doesn't matter where they learned. them I would because I've talked to the. guy and I've seen what they wrote the. opinions that they. expressed I don't you know the genocide. of African peoples in America I don't. even know what that means um I guess I. don't agree with that but their views on. Russia I generally agree with because I. think they're true and so does Jeff. Sachs and a lot of non-ra non-black. nationalists would probably agree with. the basic framework of their position. but whether we agree or not is not.

relevant right all that matters is in a. free country which this was when I grew. up you have the right to any opinion you. want you do not have the right to hurt. people you don't have the right to steal. from them you don't have the right to. defraud people but you certainly. foremost have the right to any opinion. you want no matter what the people in. charge think of it in fact you have that. right as a bull workk against tyranny by. the people in charge like that's the. only thing that keeps this country free. is my right to have any opinion I want.

and this guy is going to jail for his. opinions and you know I it's so crazy. that I kept thinking like is there. something that I'm missing like it does. seem a little Fringe this group I'd. never heard of them I'm not sending them. money okay um they must have done. something nope nothing and you should. see the video of the FBI right it's. unbelievable they sent they sent like. it's on the Internet it's on X I have. the video on there they sent like 40.

armed agents with automatic weapons to. this guy's office and his house like no. exaggeration it was a full-blown like. we're arresting Al Chapo type thing for. this guy he's like an 83-year-old army. veteran it's. outrageous and I really find it. baffling that nobody who's like against. woke culture or whatever will touch it. and the reason they won't touch it is. because their foreign policy. views in general are more important to. them than their views on speech in the.

First Amendment no views on America well. if you step out of line right so the. ideology is that we must support Ukraine. right so this is the Russia has a point. this is what they're saying so Russia. was very upset about the movement of the. weapons closer to their borders the the. the joining NATO all all the stuff that. was the hard red lines that Putin had. already set like if Russia Russia would.

definitely do something if Ukraine join. NATO we all knew that so if you deviate. from that you're going to be in trouble. so better just ignore it because you. can't you you clearly if you look at who. these people are I mean these These are. people that would be supported by the. left whole wholeheartedly well they are. I mean it's like the Revolutionary. socialist yeah yeah they're not they're. not at CPAC this year but the left has. to ignore it because then 100% it. conflicts with this C left are just like.

now they're actually ridiculous they. don't mean anything in fact we've moved. past the point where they don't mean. anything they do mean something they are. propaganda instruments designed to cloak. the truth from the rest of us that in. fact there's agreement not disagreement. at the center of power they all agree on. the things that matter and those are the. economy and foreign policy cuz that's. where the money is there's no effort to. say reign in the credit card. companies which if you really cared.

about the country say but people really. suffering okay they don't have enough. money to live kids can't not only not. buy houses they can't afford rent and. why is that and one of the main reasons. is because they're paying like close to. 20% interest on their credit cards. and okay we just imagine that in a free. market that's a good thing tell me why. that's a good thing who benefits from. that why are we for that again I'm not. for that I think I think the credit card. companies are. villains and they send credit cards to. kids at school and get them hooked on.

this I think it's totally wrong and if. you said that in the US Congress people. would look at you like you had three. heads like what they just don't care. because there's they all agree that our. current economic system and our current. foreign policy assumptions are good so. that's not a two-party system that's a. one party system and it doesn't serve. the interest of the country and my. position is super simple the only. country country I have an emotional. attachment to as the United States. that's it I like lots of countries I. like almost all countries actually I've. been to a lot of them I like them all.

but the only one I feel emotional about. is the United States because I live here. I was born here my kids are here it's my. country and most of the people in our. foreign policy conversation do not feel. that way so that distorts it really. dramatically and there also a lot of. them are are violence worshippers like. they get off on war they get off on. hurting people and on the power that. that um imbus them with and I think you. know the Liz. Cheney. model you know what I mean like someone.

like Liz Cheney who's got like a really. sad and Barren personal. life a lot of them are this way weird. personal life failed personal life like. they don't have people who love them. they don't have kids who respect them. and so Adam kinzinger whatever they're. all kind of the same the more broken. they are inside the more focused they. are on like war and foreign policy. because it gives them a Feeling of of. power and strength and success like I. can't get my wife to respect me I can't. get my kids to listen to me I can't pass.

any meaningful domestic agenda but what. I can do is Bomb the living [ __ ] out of. a foreign. country and um there so there is this. it's not true for all of them but for a. lot of them there is this. syndrome uh that drives their behavior. but whatever the reason it's totally. disconnected from what's good for the. country and if you run America you have. one job. one job and that's improve America. period they don't see it that way and I. so I don't think the system can continue.

because it's too distorted it's it's not. serving its original purpose at all so. what was it that these guys said that. made this raid possible they said Russia. and I don't want to speak for them like. I interview anyone who wants to see it. can interview and I just want to say. again like one of the cool things about. this moment that I did not anticipate. there's all this sad stuff happening I. know that you probably experience this. all the time is like finding not only.

common ground with people you thought. you had nothing in common with at all. but also like liking them you know like. I actually liked the guy I'm sure we. disagree a million things probably mad. at white people I am a white person. whatever but like in my conversation I. was like I like this guy you know he's. honest and he's sincere he's principled. he was a veteran you know but whatever. no I really think what they said was. what I have said and a lot of people. have said um which is there was a reason. for this Invasion I personally think the. invasion was a bad idea didn't help.

anybody I'm against War I'm sad the. war's ongoing but they were pushed to. this by a more powerful country which. would be the United States of. America with the threat of including. Ukraine in NATO it's really simple and. right before the invasion days before. the invasion they send poor Comm Harris. who has no idea what day it is to the. Munich security conference an area she. knows nothing about no experience in it. at all and they send her there for one. purpose which is to announce at a press. briefing with all the cameras rolling to. zinsky right there she says we want you.

to join NATO what you no no other NATO. members were clamoring for Ukraine it. didn't even qualify for NATO membership. why would you say that when Clinton when. Putin's got troops masked on the. Ukrainian border you send your vice. president to the Munich security. conference with the world watching and. say this that no one even really wants. why would you do that to Prov War. obviously what's the other reason and it. was scripted like KLA Harris is not. freeballing stuff like she's saying what.

she's told to say obviously it's not her. area she doesn't know anything about. this stuff she was told to say that but. why to provoke a war obviously so that. was my read I said that on Fox News not. a lot of people liked it but it just. seemed obvious to me I'm not making. excuses for Putin please uh I want to. protect the United States and I think. this war really hurts the United States. like my motives are always right out. there anyway I think they said a species. of that something like that and and the.

last thing I'll say is that why was the. reaction so strong because it was true. they don't care if you lie no one in. power cares if you lie but a lot of. people are say they care when you tell. the truth a lot of people are saying. those things and they're not getting. he's like some black nationalist guy in. St Petersburg like who cares we can do. who's going to defend him nobody he's. some wacko he's some like 80 y old guy. who's like been in the like Fringe left. movement for the past 50 years you know. like new Huey Newton and stokeley.

Carmichael he's like a relic of the past. and like he doesn't have a constituency. he doesn't care the modern democratic. party hates him he hates them and the. Republican party is like black. nationalism no thanks so he has no. constituency they're never going to like. you could say that and what are they. going to do to you you know nothing. because they're they can't but this guy. yeah crush him kill him and that's. exactly what they're doing and I really. think not to be like a' 70s liberal. about it if you let the weak get crushed.

it's bad it's super bad you need to. protect the weak and this guy's. weak and so you think they're making. example out of him with this and they. can they have all this power this I just. don't understand why they would move so. many people why why they would get so. many agents why they would do this so. publicly for one guy's opinion or one. group of people's opinion well I don't. know I mean why did why did medieval. kings hang the heads of people they.

executed from the gates right but it. feels like there should be more to it. like what what did they say so the the. problem is you're telling me I know the. problem is that I mean I'm just straw. I'm steel Manning this rather so the. problem is that they went over to Russia. and they talked with people in Russia. and then they're saying these things is. that the problem they're not charged. with that they're not charged with going. to Russia but you think that's the. motivation behind it because they they. went over there this a different article. uh has a quote from him okay yeah they. are not C at least when I interviewed.

him they had not been charged with. taking money from Russia so it says. they've been accused of us they've. accused us of taking money from Russia. yesel said yesterday at a news. conference on July 29th we've never. taken any money from Russian government. but I'm not saying that because I'm. morally opposed to taking money from the. Russians or anyone else who wants to. support the struggles for black people. don't tell us we can't don't tell us. that we can't have friends that you. don't like he accused the UF government. US government of seeking to use the.

apsp As It Pawn in its proxy war with. Russia the unsubstantiated allegation. that opponents of the war or. co-conspirators with a foreign power are. intended to bolster The Phantom of a. Russian Boogeyman in the public. Consciousness the escalating military. aggression by the us against Russia and. China is already being accompanied by. increasing oppression and an attempt to. criminalize left-wing opposition to the. unpopular. War well exactly so they're accusing him.

of taking money from Russia they're not. they're not charging him so here's the. distinction which is like really really. important so there are two levels on. which the Department of Justice in all. administrations acts there's the level. of propaganda like what do we want. people to think and there's the level of. law what are we charging someone with. and you have to ignore the first and pay. very close attention to the second so we. have a legal system we have laws and you. can't actually go to jail unless you.

violate one under the terms of our. system and so ignore what they're saying. about you Joe Rogan sucks he's a bad man. but in the end I'm busting you for. double parking and so really you're not. a bad man you're a double Parker under. the law and so if you look at the. charges against these guys they're. they're not charged with. violating sanctions. regulations they are charged with. totally Amorphis quote crimes like. defrauding the US government not for.

money but for like defrauding it like I. guess counter signaling. it sending a message publicly that they. don't like I mean there's no crime look. it up except. speaking and I think that's a precedent. that we don't want to live with no no. doubt all right I'm G take a leak yeah. let's take a leak we'll be right back. we're gonna pee Tucker and I are gonna. pee. together yeah well that's the the.

confronting of reality you're forced to. examine your beliefs and why you came to. those beliefs in the first place no that. is the beauty of this moment though it. is people are living uh intentionally. much more and it's also just much more. interesting it's not just you know it's. less shallow than it was for sure I. think so I think it's more nuanced. people have more Nu at least the people. that are paying attention have a more. nuanced perspective but then you have. the people that are in the Echo chambers. that are just digging their heels in.

even more and you could spot them easily. because they well they're missing out. because there's nothing more liberating. than admitting you were wrong MH I mean. that is the that is like the moment of. Liberation right and that's the basis of. religion it's the basis of AA it's the. basis of anything that improves you as a. person is admitting honestly admitting. to other people not just to yourself. that like wow I got that wrong yeah and. then you're free cuz then you don't have. to hide it anymore right very important. and it's a beautiful thing and that is.

like changing your mind I always notice. this covering politics that you know a. candidate would be like I've got him on. tape saying 10 years ago something. different and no one ever asked my. opinion but I always wanted to say why. don't you just why don't you say you're. absolutely right and the country's a lot. different from what it was 10 years ago. and so my opinions changed too like why. wouldn't they cuz I'm not a freaking. robot or a liar also I used to think. this because of that and now I realized. I was wrong exactly yeah which how great. is that I mean it's part of being a. human it's not being a flip-flopper it's. the best part of being a human well this.

is an interesting time for that because. you see people that won't do that and. you could recognize them easily because. they're the first people to throw out. insults the first thing they do when. they describe you they'll describe you. in an insulting way and then they'll say. what they disagree with you about. they'll say something hard they try to. Define you they you're far right white. supremacist. racist yeah they throw it all at you and. then they say what you said it's so. funny I got called racist and white.

supremacist so many times but when I. first was called that I mean it really. stung you know a lot because just of. where I grew up and how I grew up and. those are like the worst things you. could ever call somebody and um so I. actually like paused for a moment and. thought am I like I which I think it's. fair to ask yourself like am am I a wh. whatever that I've never figured out. what that was am I a racist not really. and I thought really the people I.

dislike most are almost all white. liberals actually so you're racist. against white people no but like no I I. I am white my kids are white I'm not. against white people I like white people. but um no it's not that it's that so a. reporter once called me about this. you've been called racist like no. actually really just like you if I were. sort of narrow down my bigotries it's. like people like you I just think you're. disgusting. I really mean it too RAC racist okay all. right well it's a it's a thing you know.

I don't think that works as much anymore. it doesn't work no well I think a lot of. the things that you overuse eventually. people realize like oh you're you're. you're yelling wolf again yeah well of. course and when people get hit with it. and don't disappear then it becomes. obvious that lacks power but it's also. you're trying to like use these words. Define someone especially someone like. you that has so many hours and hours of. talking about things like to to try this. reductionist perspective of someone to.

reduce them to this ultimately very. negative thing and not say that they're. a human being and also the fact that. it's done by the people that want to. think of themselves as compassionate and. kind which is the most bizarre the the. left is so. aggressively. incompassion like they they're so. aggressively unkind with letting letting. people die of drug Odes on the sidewalk. that's compassion no it's not that whole. thing is [ __ ] crazy well it's cruelty. actually it is and it's also when you.

find do you know [ __ ] Noz the yeah great. guy he opened my eyes to the. homelessness thing we had him on the. podcast and he was explaining how he was. in San Francisco and he was like what is. this is like they don't have any money. for this is that what it is like no. there's a whole business behind it. course and these people that are running. this homelessness initiative or whatever. the [ __ ] they call it they're making. hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. some of them a quar million dollars a. year imagine making money off the. homeless and not doing a goddamn thing. but what's so funny is I I I do think.

the root of their power and the one. thing they're good at is just charging. the moral High ground and taking it in. the first moments of the battle yeah. they just run up to the moral High. ground and like we've got this this is. ours and they'll protect that at all. costs and it's like that's kind of all. they have is this self-righteousness and. if you can puncture that it's like. you're getting rich from the homeless. actually yeah and is there anything more. disgusting than that it's some junkie. who's dying in misery outside the.

convention center in San Francisco and. you're making money on that they're. essentially using those people as a. battery to expand the power of. government yeah their own personal. Advantage yeah they're they're expanding. government they're making more. government employees now there's tons of. people that are working on the. homelessness problem air quotes and uh. you know they probably all have blue. hair and they talk nonsense and. nothing's getting done and no one's. being punished for it but when they when. they did that study where they said that. that they had no data like how are.

you what you you can't say whether or. not it's doing anything yeah you well. how'd you spend $24 billion but why are. they not treated as like the most. reprehensible people in our society I. think there's too many things to think. about I think most people unlike you and. I aren't even paying attention to it. they're paying attention to the fact. that the tents are are there they're. paying attention to if you go to Los. Angeles it's a [ __ ] zombie apocalypse. but what they're not paying attention to. is what is going on how many people are.

making money I didn't even know until. colon explained it to us I had no idea I. I thought it was just they don't have. any money they don't put any money in it. and they let these people sleep there oh. no no there's actual M all these. parasites yeah parasites government. parasites those are real of course and. you know this whole idea of I've created. so many jobs like what jobs are they. government jobs that are just [ __ ]. cuz there a lot of those what's crazy to. me just having spent most of my life in. Washington is how close this is to the. lawmakers physically so the US capital.

sits across from something called Union. Station which is a really beautiful. train station um right on Capital Hill. and so to get into the Capal you when. there's a massive homeless City there. people dying of drug Odes right there. and so to get to work every day. lawmakers have to like step over the. bodies of fellow Americans. dying like dying living Outdoors. [ __ ] in the bushes addicted to drugs. which is Hell okay and they have to.

ignore that on their way to creating. Utopia in some foreign country and. you're like does it ever occur to you. that that's disgusting that your primary. duty is to the drug addict your fellow. American you're doing nothing and you're. telling me how we're going to make. Eastern Europe into you know this Brave. New World. I don't know I just can't get past that. I think I'm not super sensitive or aware. or anything I'm not super anything. really I'm pretty ordinary but I think I.

would notice I would I was like walking. into VOD in Ukraine Aid I'd be like [ __ ]. there are like five junkies on the. street like maybe we should do something. for them no yeah yeah it's very bizarre. it's bizarre that they can rationalize. it or at least that they don't get. called out by all their people and this. idea that it's compassionate that you. have compassion to leave these people. and to give them Aid to help them and. give them clean needles but then you've. got to think like maybe there's. something bigger going on.

actually because there's no yes there's. an entire sector of the economy now that. feeds off of human Misery the drug. treatment centers that don't work the. homeless Advocates who create more. homeless the you know migrant workers. you know American Born Aid agencies. workers who you know increase illegal. IMM ation and gang activity and all this. you know people are making money off. this the arms manufacturers that help. kill people in foreign countries etc etc.

there's a viig and all of that it's a. scam it's a grift etc etc but like. there's something more like there are a. lot of people who seem to be just like. for evil for its own sake and you're. like maybe all the like crazy talk about. a spiritual war of like good and evil. maybe there's something to that maybe. that's not an illusion maybe that's like. everyone else has always thought that. there are certainly forces that have. evil consequences that exists but they.

act on people from the out and you feel. it also on the other side I mean people. are better than they naturally are. sometimes like you feel compassion for. people or true empathy for someone or. you you really want to help someone. there's no advantage to you at all like. why are you doing that it's almost like. you're being acted on by good and all of. us have known those moments where we. just are cruel for the sake of it hurt. someone for the sake of it what's that. there's no advantage to us that's evil. acting on us and I think we're seeing it. at scale and like I grew up in the most.

secular world you could ever grow up in. Southern California in the 70s and 80s. and in a very secular family and I've. never really paid much attention to that. and all of a sudden every not everyone a. lot of people I know who had similar. childhoods to mine similar life. experiences are like maybe there is like. a supernatural realm maybe there's more. than just like what we can see. and feel maybe life is more than just. ordering [ __ ] on Amazon maybe there's. like a purpose maybe there is this. battle between good and. evil uh around us that we can't see but.

that we do experience a lot it seems. like it's always been a narrative. throughout human history it's always. been this recognition Carls over there. snoring I don't have my headphones on so. I can hear. them you're snorting or snoring snoring. Carl snoring Carl the dog you oh Carl. the dog Carl the dog SN oh he's the best. but he snores when he sleep cuz he's a. little French. Bulldog he's a sporty little Bulldog. he's awesome yeah he's the best dogs.

don't get cuter they might be as cute. but they don't get any cuter than Carl I. think that's right yeah I've got some. pretty good-looking dogs I will say yeah. I have a beautiful dog I have a golden. retriever but he's not as cute as Carl. Carl's a different thing don't tell him. that he knows he doesn't like Carl well. he he doesn't hate Carl but he like. ignores him he thinks of Carl as a thief. of attention only which he is yeah yeah. fair. so we've always human beings have always.

at least believed that there are forces. of Good and Evil and that they they. that's what exorcisms are about right. the idea that you're possessed that. you're possessed by evil there's always. been this thought that there's good and. evil but when did you. start when did you start considering. that and thinking that that's cuz. weren't you at one point in time you. weren't you a a Grateful Dead head oh. yeah iisten listened to him this morning. yeah he used to travel around with them.

yeah how old were you when that was. going. on um I went to my first dead show in. December of 1984 so I was 15 at speaking. of the San Francisco Civic Center yeah. the New Year's shows so they always. played in Oakland but one year they. played at the um in San Francisco. and so we were in Tahoe over Christmas. and for some reason my my dad was gone I. don't really know where so my brother. and I drove illegally from Tahoe in the.

family vehicle to downtown San Francisco. how old was your brother 13 so you drove. or he drove I drove I drove 15 you drove. yeah wow Tahoe so was a couple hours and. uh I remember being on the freeway. like at 15 well we had a pretty. different of childhood um but anyway uh. anyway we did is that you yeah it's me. on the left get the [ __ ] out of here.

yeah I don't know you know I don't know. how that that picture is hanging in my. barn and I've never you know I don't. release any pictures of myself or family. or anything like that and somebody came. to my barn and took a picture of that. hanging next to my sink and um and put. it on the internet wow so that's my. brother Buckley on the right um that. picture was taken so my dad was a. reporter in San Francisco in the' 60s. and um pretty well-known reporter and.

that was in the 80s when I was in school. and we were home for Christmas vacation. and he had covered the Grateful Dead he. knew the Grateful Dead my dad did so. they were uh in his office they like. came through DC and they like called him. and they came over to his off Jerry came. over to his office and my dad's like I. got Jerry garc here you guys should come. down so my brother and I we lived in. Georgetown and we had a vesa remember. those yeah and we drove our vesa was. freaking cold out I'll never forget that. we drove our vesa down to 6th and e or. whatever where my dad's office was and. there was Jerry I'd never met him before.

he was missing the middle finger of his. right hand famously you know the famous. handprint grateful that handprint and. but when you shook his hand you could. feel his it collapse kind of because he. didn't have that middle finger but but. anyway so my brother and I drove to this. to the to the New Year show was actually. a couple nights before New Year's and we. didn't have tickets of course and um we. were in the park across. from there and we were you know whatever. doing the you know whatever things that. people do at Dead shows and we were. pretty freaking out of it and this guy.

comes up out of nowhere and puts a. ticket around his face he goes here and. hands me a. ticket so my brother um was extremely. out of it I mean he was you know I never. should have done this but I was like all. right man I'm going in all right and I I. left my little brother in the park. during the show just like very very. impaired like super super impaired I it. was completely wrong to do something. like that but I did do it and then I.

went in and saw the show kind of freaked. out in the middle of it hid in the men's. room for a while never forget that. standing on the the stall smoking. cigarettes is it acid trying to it was. no it was uh psilocybin mushrooms which. by the way I should just say I got sober. 22 years ago I'm completely opposed to. anything like I don't take Adil like I'm. totally opposed to anything but um other. than nicotine and coffee but yeah it was. mushrooms so we ate way too many and um. started. to to uh to kind of melt down a little.

bit but anyway the point is I get out of. the show this is pre selfa this is. 1984 and I get out of the show and they. played actually a lot of tunes that they. didn't play they played Spoonful like. they didn't play Spoonful a lot it was. like a pretty obscure tune I'd never. heard it before actually and uh I. couldn't find my brother my little. brother and I'm like in charge and you. know my closest friend and lifelong. friends talked to him this morning and. uh but I couldn't find him and I was. like oh man my brother's gone but there.

he was he appeared like an hour later he. had spent the entire show in somebody's. van there but he seemed undamaged and uh. it was great I mean not everything about. it is great I mean I do think the drug. thing got you know definitely hurt. people for sure but from my perspective. I went to a bunch probably 50 or more. shows and really enjoyed it and um I. love the fact that they had two drummers.

that was a huge thing for me I love. Rhythm I think it's I think it's the. basis of music it's obviously the basis. of music I mean the instrument. instruments are are cool but they're. kind of like interior design and the the. architecture is rhythm and it's the. universal sound that every every culture. appreciates because it's it reflects. something that's pre-existing that's in. you everyone relates to Rhythm and I. just AB absolutely loved the drums and I. love they would always play like it was. called drums actually but they would. play a section of every show was just. drums um Bill cin and Mickey Hart just.

going crazy on the drums and they had. drum circles and and I just like drums. to this day I listen to drums just just. percussion King Sunny ad day um the. Great West African drummer and uh anyway. whatever so yeah I like the Greatful. Dead a lot and still do and I like that. kind of. music jam music I like J music I like. acoustic music I love blueg grass love. blueg grass and Americana and to see. that grow to see Billy strings become.

like a venue Packer you know like Billy. strings is like a big act right now I do. feel like creativity art has been. completely destroyed and eliminated in. the United States there's like you as we. were saying earlier you can't be. creative if you're not honest it's that. simple and we can't be honest so there's. no creativity and in the visual arts and. literature and architecture it's Di. but comedy is still alive thank heaven. and music for some reason has escaped. that and is still alive yeah and the.

growth the explosion of acoustic. Bluegrass you know the banjo like one of. the great instruments ever um is just. thrilling and like a sign of life you. know at this late at this late stage. well I think when there's social. pressures and when society's in chaos. art does tend to thrive some kind of art. some art that's right comedy certainly. does now like comedy has never been. better amazing time it came close oh.

yeah yeah the walls got breached whoa no. but a few a few years I don't know when. it was but you know eight years ago or. something it felt like oh wow you know. people can't tell jokes anymore we kept. doing it I noticed and yeah we kept. doing you kept the little little Embers. alive yeah well there was it was flames. it's just you you know when you get. people in a club and you take their. phones away and just have them just be. actual human beings and not be filming.

everything just being completely trapped. with this idea of capturing something. and then putting it online then you get. to have a human experience you mean when. people like live in the present rather. than in the future far away that's one. of the great things about dat line going. to a good club that uses Yonder bags for. your phones is that it just takes you. out of like at the very least it's a. break like like this podcast is is a. break for 3 hours of phones there's no. I'm not no one's checking phones love.

that that's very rare with human beings. where they can just sit down and just. have conversations for long periods of. time without being distracted by. something not in my house but yeah it's. a real problem with folks it's a huge. problem it's a huge problem and I the. one thing I will say about my very. unconventional childhood is there was a. huge premium on meals and like eating. with people. and spending 4 hours at the table was. like totally normal in the house that I. grew up in totally normal in fact it was. like daily and um that was our primary.

form of entertainment and mode of. communication and you know thing that we. did for fulfillment and fun and I still. do that I still feel that way and we. have dinner parties constantly and there. are no phones and people talk and. entertain each other and it's like it's. so much more interest I'm not on social. media but if I were on social media I. don't think I would find that on. Instagram I'm just and I'm not attacking. Instagram but I don't think I would find. that anything like that no it's it's.

it's definitely a lost thing and it's. such an easy thing it's such a fun thing. it is a fun thing yeah it's a great. thing and I think people enjoy it I. think that's also led to the rise of. podcast too because they don't they. don't get that in their real life so at. least they get to be a person who sits. in on these conversations I got to say. this is not being suck upy cuz I don't. suck up ever to anyone but the effect. that podcasts have had is just is just. incredible and I never would have. predicted that in million freaking years.

I would have never thought it when when. I first started doing this it was in my. living room with my friend Brian and we. did it on a laptop and we had a webcam. and we were like with my friend Brian. yeah Brian redband of kill Tony you met. Bri yes I did I just no but I just love. the phrase with my friend Brian like. every bad story like my friend Brian we. were we were down in Mexicali and I just. me and my friend Brian we just started. [ __ ] around online and then then we.

started eventually bringing in guests. and then we eventually got a studio and. then eventually I got you know a big. place in La like a real warehouse and. then eventually moved to Texas it it all. just eventually happened but it's it was. not I mean I was in another part of. media for that whole period And if you. had asked me up until the last few years. like the future is clearly shorter. crisper more produced right right.

everybody would have thought that. exactly everyone did think that. including me and I hated it you know I. hat it I like long form but I never I. was a long form magazine writer for. years so I I thought but I thought that. was over yeah not over everybody thought. that yeah even my friends they were. telling me how to edit my show they're. like you should edit that no one's going. to listen at 3 hours I'm like then don't. listen okay. do whatever you want I'm not I'm not. making any money doing this it was just. for fun I love that it was just fun for. years for years and years I did it just.

with no money there was no money in it. forever what year like how many years in. did it start to pay for itself. five that's a long time yeah a long time. it was took a while I mean it was making. it was probably like sub. existing yeah but about 5 years in then. it started making money and then it was. like oh this is a business I remember. very clearly I was on stage Once in. Chicago I was doing the Chicago theater. and I had this story that I was going to.

tell I'm like how many people listen to. the podcast and there's 3,700 people in. the place and they went nuts it was like. yeah and I was like. oh like I thought there was this like. thing that I'm doing where you know a. few people are paying attention I don't. even know what the I didn't even back. then I never even knew what the numbers. were I didn't I didn't even care just. well they may not have been like could. you even collect numbers accurately yeah. you can get downloads off of uh you know. like the whatever the uh provider was.

that was um with the host you could get. like download numbers from the host and. they they would use that to inform ads. like oh he gets x amount of downloads. per month and then they would you know. that's when there's very few people. advertising on podcast all right let's. give it a try but it's one of the great. developments between. podcasting and Billy strings like I have. I'm serious I have hope that it's not. all going in the wrong direction CU you. can get this view that like everything.

is falling apart late Rome yeah just a. matter of time before you know it really. does collapse and then you see these. signs that are not minor you know. they're significant that like no people. I mean I haven't met a person in the. past year who said you know I thought. this but then I was reading the New York. Times and I realized I was wrong like. not one person right but the number of. people say I was listening to this. podcast I was listening to Rogan and d d. it's like yeah really.

noticeable yeah that's why it's. interesting it's it's it's interesting. because you could put people in front of. people and they might not even be right. they might be wrong but at least now. you're having conversations about. something you would never have a. conversation about before and even if. this person gets exposed as being. incorrect well now you have a more. nuanced understanding of what the. subject is about why people think. incorrect things and you know this idea. of like platforming people is a big one.

today why would you platform that person. first of all platform is not a verb and. whenever they take a perfectly good noun. and turn it into a verb you know. something bad is a foot okay platform Oh. you mean letting an adult human being. talk right I think that's not only. allowed I think that's the law not only. that I think it's important for us it's. even important to talk to people that. are completely different than you that. don't agree with you at all well it's.

especially important otherwise it's just. masturbatory it's it's interes it's just. you alone getting yourself off but it's. also interesting to know why these. people think the way they think and I. and also there's so many people that if. you talk to them online you'd have these. horrible conversations but if you sit. down with them as an actual human being. and treat them with respect and. consideration you talk to them like a. human being and you just try to be as. friendly and open possible as possible. despite what your differences might be. you realize most people have a lot in.

common a lot more way more in common. than they don't but that's the secret. that they're trying to hide yeah so mind. control you know the end stage of Mind. Control is censorship right but it. begins long before that and it begins by. creating false categories that wall off. your willingness that prevent you from. wanting to know certain things or talk. to certain people and name calling is a. the most obvious tool like he's a crank. he's a racist he's a whatever fill it in. and then you're like I can't listen to.

that person and I have to say your. willingness to platform or to have a. conversation with Alex. Jones I think was a revolutionary act. actually not that everything Alex Jones. says is right it's not not everything I. say is right or anyone says is right but. Alex Jones is an interesting person. and even if he's not interesting he has. been walled off from the rest of us yeah. through name calling and your. willingness to be like no actually we're. just going to listen Alex Jones and you.

can decide for yourself well Alex has. been my friend for more than 20 years. well I well exactly. but even if he just the yeah but I'm. sure you have other friends you haven't. invited and just like you were not. allowed to talk to him and when you hear. Alex Jones talk you may not agree with. everything he says I don't know that I. do but you definitely understand why. they told you you couldn't listen to. Alex J well that's one of the reasons. why I had him as one of the first guests. when I came over to Spotify love that I. was like let's go what did they say well. a lot of people weren't happy we lost.

sponsors it was it was an. issue um but I think it it did the the. job you know it it regardless of what he. said that's incorrect clearly the Sandy. Hook thing was incorrect you know Alex I. know Alex personally so I know what he. was going through and you know everybody. wants to talk about mental health and. they want to um praise people for being. honest about their mental health issues. and support them on their mental health. journey to Wellness Alex has gone.

through some real issues and one of the. reasons why he's gone through some. issues is because that guy is uncovering. real [ __ ] that's terrifying every. [ __ ] day and he was drinking out of. control and you know he's just [ __ ]. constantly stressed freaking out and. when you see so many lies and and so. much propaganda and and so many scops. that are being done on people you start. seeing them where they don't exist and. that's what he did well and he's also um.

channeling some stuff there's you can't. call. 911 in detail because you're super. informed before the fact he called it he. literally called it in the summer of. 2001 he said planes will fly into the. World Trade Centers and they will blame. a man called Osama Bin Laden we know. that he said that cuz he he said it on. tape yeah multiple times and then he. said call the White House and tell them. this now let's just that's all we know. about Alex Jones let's just say that's. the fact set how'd that happen right how.

did he do that no he's channeling. something that's super yeah of course. yeah there's like no other I mean tell. me how he did it otherwise I've asked. him about it how did you do that at. length he had dinner in my barn recently. we're talking about this how did you do. that I don't know it just came to me and. that's real that is real the super. superal is real and I don't know why. it's so hard for for the modern mind. guess cuz it's a materialist mind to. accept that but what you see and that's.

not a new phenomenon that's happened. throughout history there were people. called prophets and there are people who. were prophets who weren't called. prophets but there are people who have. information or parts of information bits. of information visions of information. come to them and then they relay it it's. not from them they received it this is. like the you know one of the oldest. phenomenon in human in human history so. those people tend to. be a little crazy a little imbalanced a. little different from everybody else do.

you know what I mean they live on Locust. and honey in the in the wilderness I. mean that's just like that's they're not. like everybody else and that's clearly. part of what I'm not saying that. everything that Alex Jones says is a. prophecy from God it's not but that was. prophetic there's and if it wasn't tell. me how it wasn't in in July of 2000 like. I lived in Washington in July of 2001. you know my dad worked in the government. like I was as well informed as anybody. could be about what was going on in the. government I've always been interested. in what's happening in other countries I.

was aware of Assam Bin Laden I knew. about the Taliban I knew you know more. than most people there's not one person. who was saying not one person in. Washington DC was saying you know at. some point soon they may fly airplanes. into the World Trade Centers and blame. oam Bin Laden like that just wasn't a. thing so if you said that multiple times. on camera there 's a reason like and and. everyone I've said this to 50 people. what I just said to you and they all. look at me. like yeah that's stupid tell me how it's. stupid like tell me how he did that like.

that's that's impossible actually he. didn't just do it with that either no. I'm aware he's done it with a lot of. things and that's one of the more. interesting things about him is that. like he he talks about Stu like he. talked about like I'm going to send this. to Jamie cuz this is one of the really. crazy ones that he he called and this is. like 2000 um 2000. probably I guess.

2017 here it is let me find this give me. a second here I find because I I sent it. to him like how the [ __ ] did you call. this because it's it's one of those ones. where you're like this is exactly what's. happening now. here it is here 2017 hold on a second. I'll send you this. Jamie come.

on technology let's. go all right I sent it to you. Jamie so this is some guy's Instagram. clip that I found that took a clip from. the podcast and he's doing commentary. over put these on things on real quick. you got it yeah okay.

cool here we go 22 years on podcast. Infowars Alex Jones and Joe Rogan. discuss what's currently happening right. now Google CERN technology vampires. aliens in a nutshell Alex was pretty on. point with this man message let me know. what your thoughts are is he crazy or is. he on to something it's really big so. okay um yeah pour another shot of that.

get this out. proper all right let me give you my best. deep research Proclamation once you what. do you think is going but am I wrong to. still hold out hope that aliens are real. because I tell you as one the two guilty. pleasures that I still cling to is. Bigfoot and Aliens those are two Bigfoot. not so much I wish it was real but I. just don't are you ready yes Bigfoot. real no come on Daddy no are you ready. yes I'm going to give you the big out of. Joe there are aliens in this room right.

now for real yeah you're not of this. world bro me you're the alien oh wow I. didn't know well here's what the elite. believe and let me be very clear asz the. media I'll take this out of context I. only go with what I can prove oh thank. you and people can't even handle that. there's armies we're fighting a. pedophile conspiracy but beyond that. it's a vampire conspiracy in that they. are interdimensionally sucking the. essence of our youth right and they. believe they're possessed by an offworld. entity they do yeah and Joe I've been on. air 22 years I don't get into aliens.

metaphysical religion any of that I've. studied the elite and I've also. communicated with a lot of the top. people and and if you want to know I. will actually break down right now the. best knowledge right now what's. happening on the planet what's. happening the elite are all about. Transcendence and living forever and the. secrets of the universe and they want to. know all this are good some are bad some. are a mix but the good ones don't ever. want to organize the bad ones didn't. want to organize because they lost after. power powerful consciousnesses don't.

want to dominate other people they want. to empower them so they don't tend to. get together until things are really. late in the game then they come together. Evil's always defeated because good is. so much stronger and we're on this. planet and Einstein's physics shut it. Max Plank's physics shut it all there's. at least 12 dimensions and now that's. why all the top scientists and. billionaires are coming out saying it's. a false hologram it is artificial the. computers are scanning it and finding. tension points where it's artificially. projected and gravity's bleeding in to. this universe that's what they call Dark.

Matter so we're like a thought or a. dream that's a wisp in some computer. program some God's mind whatever they're. proving it all it's all coming out now. there's like this sub transmission Zone. below the third dimension that's just. turned over the most horrible things is. what it resonates to and it's trying to. get up into the Third di menion that's. just a basic level Consciousness to. launch into the next levels and our. species is already way up at the fifth. sixth Dimension consciously our best. people but there's this big war trying.

to like basically destroy Humanity. because Humanity has Free Will and. there's a decision to which level we. want to go to we have free will so. Evil's allowed to come and contend not. just good and the elites. themselves believe they're racing using. human technology to try to take our back. minds and build some type of breakaway. civilization where they're going to. merge with machines transcend and break. away from the fail species that is man.

which is kind of like a false. transmission because they're thinking. what they are is ugly and bad projecting. it onto themselves instead of believing. no it's a human test about building us. up and so Google was set up 18 19 years. ago this was I knew about this before it. was Declassified I'm just saying I've. good sources that they wanted to build a. giant artificial system and Google. believes that the the first artificial. intelligence will be a supercomputer. based on the neuron activities of the. hive mind of humanity with billions of. people wired into it with the internet.

of things and so all of our thoughts go. into it and we're actually building a. computer that has real neurons in real. time that's also psychically connected. to us that are organic creatures so that. they will have current prediction Powers. future prediction Powers a true Crystal. Ball but the big secret is once you have. a crystal ball and know the future you. can add stimuli beforehand and make. decisions that control the future and so. then it's the end of Consciousness and. Free Will for individuals as we know and.

a true 2.0 in a very bad way hi mind. Consciousness with an AI jacked into. everyone knowing our hopes and dreams. delivering it to us not in some PKD. wirehead system where we plug in and. give up on Consciousness because of. unlimited pleasure but because we were. already wired in and absorbed before we. knew it by giving over our conscious. to this system by our daily decisions. that it was able to manipulate and. control into a larger system there's now. a human Counterstrike taking place to. shut this off before it gets fully into.

place and to block these systems and to. try to have an actual debate about where. Humanity goes and cut off the pedophiles. and psychic vampires that are control of. this AI system before humanity is. destroyed of AI how' they get how' the. pedophile is that it yeah it's pretty. much. [Laughter]. it it's incredible. it's I didn't understand about that was. seven years AG years ago yeah okay so no. seven years ago no one was thinking AI. was going to take over Civ you can see.

why the FBI decided to destroy him which. it did um the people in I mean it's just. like what has happened to Alex Jones is. proof that at least some of what he's. saying is true because what why who is. Alex Jones a threat to did you see that. interview with the guy from FBI was. trying to hook up with that dude on a. date CIA yeah was it CIA that's right. and they they were talking about how. they can destroy a person yeah I think I. was mentioning in there too were you. yeah I was um yeah I mean there are a.

couple okay so yeah again I don't the. third dimension I don't unknow anything. about Dimensions okay so I can't comment. on that but two things he said um are. true one um is that every civilization. every religion the Greek myths you know. every single one including Judaism. Christianity. Hinduism uh has believed that there. is sort. of that the spirit. world and Humanity are like that there's.

you know they're hybrids yeah okay so. that's just a fact Genesis 6 um so you. know I don't think that's crazy at all. uh given that it has been the belief of. civilizations that had no contact with. each other I don't think it's crazy and. I also don't think it's crazy to cons. considerate I don't think we have a real. map of reality well we definitely don't. and I exact better put than I than I.

explained that's exactly right we don't. have a real map and it's not crazy to. consider it and it was a very it was an. entirely conventional view up until. fairly recently um that yeah that this. the spirit world like I hate want don't. face breeds with people but that is that. everyone thought that okay right and. even the term spirit world is probably a. loaded term of course they're all Lo. terms how do you say it in a way that. doesn't sound crazy but the whole thing. sounds crazy because we don't. acknowledge the reality the actual. physical reality of the Supernatural and. it Israel that's the first thing the.

second Point that's obviously true is. that people uh weak people which is a. synonym for bad people come together for. strength and safety they act as one the. hive mind is a is specific to a certain. group of people bad people and that good. people don't to come together but. they're coming together now and I just. not I just noticed this I mean people. independently who I know or sort of know. in many cases have long despised have.

come to exactly the same conclusions. without talking to each other MH I know. that you have this experience all the. time yeah it's like I can't believe you. think that how did you wind up thinking. that right and not just on a specific. issue like foreign policy or covid or. whatever but like on a whole bunch of. different things they're all coming to. the same conclusion and they're coming. together and so that does. suggest you know uh big a big change and. a battle I mean it is a battle between. good and evil I'm not always convinced. I'm on the good side I've been you know.

an instrument of evil many times in my. life and I'm ashamed of it but are you. talking about the Iraq War yeah the Iraq. War I've been cruel to people probably. even already on your show in ways that. are unjustified that's my instinct to do. that that's a fault not you know not. something to brag about it's something. ashamed of so I'm not I'm not saying I'm. always on the right side I certainly. have not always been on the right side. I've been on the wrong side many many. times but that doesn't change the fact. that there is good there is evil they.

are at war with each other and we. are subject to the effects of that. conflict and that we're seeing it. suddenly play out in ways that are. really really obvious there's no. political explanation for the trans. phenomenon nobody benefits you can say I. hear these see these right Wingers be. like really it's all about the people. who make synthetic hormones they benit. yeah okay they benefit it's not driving. it that's stupid it's not about the. money actually there's no upside it's. not helping the kids at all if a child. has anorexia which is pretty common. actually in this country and the child.

thinks she's fat you don't say to the. child yeah you're. fat you you don't do that you give the. child help if you can it's hard to treat. but you you try if a child comes to you. and says actually I think I was born in. the wrong body the last thing you do is. affirm that it's hurting the child like. why would you do that if you love the. child you wouldn't do that it's really. an EXC excise undertaken for the sake of. Destruction the sake of hurting someone. there's no real upside what's another. phrase description of that it's evil and.

um you see that a lot a lot yeah and. um why like what is that what is it and. why is it so obvious to a completely. even a completely secular person like me. all of a sudden um there's a reason for. that we're watch you know history is. moving really really fast we're right in. the middle of it and I probably wouldn't. have chosen to be born at the time I was. I'd much rather sort of reach maturity. in 1955 really you know well I don't.

know I don't get to choose you know I. don't like drama I don't like change. like I'm there was drama and change back. then there there was but it people. didn't rec well there was a cold war of. course there was a Korean War okay but. people didn't see it in their face right. in the way I don't think would you. rather know. but I don't have a choice I do know yeah. I'd rather know I'd rather be right now. yeah well you've got a much better. attitude than I I mean sometimes I just. my parents got divorced when I was. little and so I kind of like I don't.

want change yeah I know to me I know. what you mean um you know um I was. having a conversation in the green room. with the club the other night about this. uh guy from Canada that's uh HIV. positive that's a. transom that's taking hormones so they. can breastfeed their 9-month-old. daughter so a biological male is taking. hormones and is now breastfeeding their. daughter off of their male tit and I.

said if I was Satan if Satan was real I. would do that exactly if I was if. Satan's real I would I mean if Satan was. going to do something Insidious and and. unbelievably creepy he would do that. well I think he is doing that obviously. but this guy's a a real freak well but. right. using public money too but he's a victim. too I mean the thing about right because. the thing about evil the reason that. evil is distinct from everything else it. destroys the vessel it's held in the.

conduit through which it flows destroys. the person so like that guy in the end. will not Thrive right he'll be destroyed. too and so that's how you know that it's. supernatural in other words if I you. know if I steal your iPhone and sell it. and I get an extra 400. like that's kind of explicable you. understand why I'm doing that I want the. 400 bucks right but if I'm encouraging. your kid to castrate himself I'm not. really benefiting from that actually.

there's no material benefit to me at all. there's no real psychic benefit it's. it's hurting for its own sake and um and. that's evil that's there's no political. category that explains that right and. then there's clearly money involved in. that too there is money of there's the. gender affirming clinics that have. popped up all over the country since. 2007 you see the map of it's [ __ ]. bananas but why would you want to do. that that's why would policy makers want. to do that why would anybody want to. make money that way right why would they. Cho to make Mone people it's the most. unnatural thing ever because parents.

every parent at a certain age feels is. like I I like my kids I want grandkids. you want to protect your children to. continue yeah from bad decision so I. always think the politicians who push. trism on the country like their kids are. going trans too yeah they are right. they're not escaping it it's like. they're burning down their own house I. would like to see the statistic of. people in Hollywood like how many of. their kids turn trans versus the rest of. the world yeah I know some of them too. but how many of them versus the rest of. the world well a lot more a lot more.

which is a a morally corrupt business. yes yeah like more than we knew more. than I knew you know the entertainment. business it's it's always been that way. you know Tarantino was talking to us. about um this famous old director that. had a a bedroom in his office where he. would bed the starlets and it was just. common knowledge that if you wanted to. be in his movie you had to [ __ ] him and. you'd go into his office he had a. literal bedroom in his office we had. some of that in television yes I'm sure.

yeah quite a bit yeah and I didn't I. didn't really understand I didn't you. know obviously partake in it or you. would know because all my text messages. went up in the New York Times so um I'm. not hiding any of my own behavior but I. mean I I will say if I'm being honest it. didn't really register with me I was. like yeah that's kind of wild and crazy. I just didn't you know like like my wife. I didn't want to blow up my family I. didn't do anything like that really but. I certainly saw a lot like a lot of it. like a lot and I just didn't really see. it as like horrifying I just saw it as.

kind of like well you know creative. people are this way kind of thing but I. look back and I'm like it was really. dark well especially the producer thing. right that like the Weinstein thing that. the the way they ran the business that. that's how it was pay to play I worked. for Harvey Weinstein for a year did you. really yeah I did when 19 99 uh he had a. magazine um with Tina Brown called Talk. magazine I was the head political writer. for it and they had an office at carnegi. Towers in New York right below the park.

and uh and I remember the big con I mean. I remember he was a pig I was not like. an intimate friend of his or whatever. but I certainly dealt with him and the. big controversy was he was smoking in. elevators and um that was and I've kind. of supported that if I'm being honest. but um but he was considered incredibly. insensitive and just like vulgar a pig. well he looks vulgar yeah well that was. certainly what everyone thought of him. where I worked Harvey's just a pig and. his brother Bob was a little bit less. that way he was also involved but um but.

yeah people knew that he was a bad guy. but like but he made awesome. movies yeah and and also but he was just. powerful it's like hary Weinstein like I. want to [ __ ] with hary Weinstein I mean. I didn't really think about it too much. to be completely honest that was just it. was just a guy I worked for but um I. don't know I didn't I certainly if you'd. played that Alex Jones clip for me in. 1999 I would have been and I did see. Alex Jones Clips in 1999 and then in. later years where he was talking about. building seven and I was very offended I.

was like outraged that he would be. suggesting that there was something. about 911 that wasn't above board that. there were you know things we didn't. know that were being hidden from us and. I was like mad at Alex Jones for saying. that I remember that really well how. dare you the building 7 one is wild well. it is W it is wild I mean I have no all. I know is 20. one I don't even know what year it is 23. years could it really be 23 years after. 911 23 years later what's the. justification for classifying any. document around 911 there's no. justification well the same.

justification of classifying the. documents about the Kennedy. assassination exactly 61 years later. yeah or releasing the covid vaccine data. 75 years later of course yeah right I. mean it's of look secrecy is different. from privacy privacy is necessary for. the Dignity of this white you've got a. door in the bathroom and your bedroom. right you know you need privacy you need. private thoughts we have no privacy. whatsoever none no privacy at all thanks. to the to the iPhone and government. spying on us all so there's no privacy. but there's massive secrecy secrecy is. different secrecy of bets lying the only.

reason to have secrecy is in order to do. something that you're ashamed of other. people knowing about that's that's. immoral and probably illegal and there's. more secrecy than ever and that means. that there's more lying than ever there. are more crimes being committed than. ever that's the shest sign of it why are. there a billion classified documents in. a So-Cal democracy because they're lying. to us that's why but 9911 like what is. the justification for. that I don't know the answer I really. don't know the answer but there is one.

that's for sure yeah it's not methods. and sources you think it's methods and. sources trying to protect their Saudi. sources I don't think so you know the. wildest thing about Tower 7 is that if. you just say it looks like a controlled. demolition people get mad at you why. well I don't know because I'm not saying. that is a controlled demolition but I'm. saying if you watch it it looks like a. controlled demolition but that happens. all the time buildings Catch Fire and. they just implode in on themselves I. think happens every week right all these.

poultry plants and manufacturing plants. that keep getting burned uh Through Fire. they all like it's the way it went down. yeah so I say why do they respond that. way and of course I responded that way. um so when I think looking back the. reason that I did was because because if. you call that into question you had to. ask a lot of other really obvious. questions you didn't want to deal with. and you might arrive at the conclusion. that a lot of your most basic. assumptions are false and that you've.

been had and it's just too destabilizing. maybe right well the real problem with. Tower 7 is they go well okay if it was a. controled demolition how was that. engineered did they just decide to do. that before September 11th and you know. how long it would take to rig a building. like that right or was it built into the. building and how would they know would. even work and how would they do. something like that and how would there. not be a record of it being built into. the building like for someone to. engineer and where's the sound signature. on the on the tape there would be a.

sound of the explosions going which is a. fair question yeah a lot of fair. questions and has there ever been a. building that experienced a tremendous. amount of damage because two enormous. skyscrapers fell right next to it. damaged it and then massive fire started. and then there's diesel generators that. are in the base so they have all this. fuel so they have this incredible. Inferno in the basement that weakens the. structure and is that why it collapsed. maybe to totally possible um a lot of. building Engineers disagree with that as.

you know yeah and um they don't think. that could have happened uh in the way. you just described I'm agnostic on it. what I because I don't know the answer. and I have no way of knowing all I know. is that there's no justification for. keeping those documents secret that I. can think of and if there is tell tell. us what it is no one has bothered cuz. nobody presses and it's you know I'll. add that to the list of outrages yeah. you know what I mean and then it it. gives you this feeling of helplessness.

because there's so many of those they. just pile on there's always another one. there government spied on me broke into. my phone and spied on me and I couldn't. get a straight answer to that and I'm. I'm not a felon and I'm well not only. that they used they got into your signal. account right yeah and then they leaked. it to the New York Times what they found. there so it's one thing to say okay we. picked up your text exchanges with a. foreign National which is. true um I text a lot of foreign. Nationals because of my job like why. wouldn't I and it's my right as far as. I'm concerned that's not illegal but we.

picked up your text exchanges which I. think itself is a lie I think they were. targeting me I think they are now um I. know I'm pretty positive they are but. whatever leaving that aside we spied on. you we think we have justification is. there a justification for leaking the. contents of my private conversation to a. news outl in order to discredit me no. there's no that's secret police [ __ ]. okay yeah I'm not whining I'm a victim. I'm certainly not a victim but what was. infuriating was my to and I got members. of Congress involved because I was.

pissed and I felt. threatened I couldn't get a straight. answer they were just like we're not. answering those questions and what are. you going to do about it [ __ ] what are. you g to do about. it you know I don't I don't possess a. drone Fleet there's nothing I can do. about it actually that's the truth so. when the system breaks down and things. like I don't know honesty. Justice the law none of those apply the. people in charge decide that doesn't. apply to me you are literally. powerless and um bizarre that the New.

York Times wouldn't have an issue with. that well the New York Times does that. all the time but but but bizarre they. wouldn't have an issue with the. government tapping into your phone they. work for the government are you kidding. the New York Times yeah the New York. Times is a conduit for the lies of. government that's what it is it's their. tool and they're perfectly aware of that. I mean I used to write for the New York. Times as a freelancer I mean I've been. around the New York Times a lot and. there uh yeah there are a lot of really. smart people there for sure even now I. would less so now but there's still I.

think smart people there there are I. know some and they know but they think. that that you know it's worth it because. they're bringing information I don't. know what they think actually but no. they're they're. tools of power and that's like the one. thing that you're not allowed to be even. if you think the power is good like. maybe they all support the agenda of the. US Government destabilizing the world. and impoverishing their own population. maybe they're on board with. that even if they are they shouldn't do. it because the job of the media the.

Press is to keep power in check you are. kind of like the seat belt right you. know you make sure. that things don't go too far so um and. they're not doing that they're acting as. a willing handmaiden when do you think. that switched I think it's been the case. for a long time I mean if you look at. what happened to Richard Nixon which I. of course did not understand at all um. Richard Nixon was taken out by the FBI. and CIA and um with the help of Bob Bob.

Woodward who was a Washington Post. reporter who had been a naval. intelligence officer working in the. White House working in the Nixon White. House and then he shows up like a year. later and he's this brand new reporter. never been a journalist at all he's a. naval Intel officer the famous Bob. Woodward we all. rever and he's at the Washington Post. and somehow he gets the biggest story in. the history of the Washington Post he's.

the lead guy in that story well I I. worked at a newspaper I've been in the. news business my whole life that is not. how it works you don't take a kid like. his first day from a totally unrelated. business and put him on the biggest. story but he was he was that guy and who. is his main source for water date oh the. number two guy at the FBI. oh so you have the naval intelligence. officer working with the. FBI official to destroy the president. okay so that's a deep State coup what.

else how would you describe that if that. happened in Guatemala what would you say. and yet the way it was framed in the way. that I accepted for decades was oh this. Intrepid reporter fought power no no no. this Intrepid reporter Bob Woodward was. a tool of power secret power which is. the most threatening kind to. bounce the single most popular president. in American History Richard Nixon from. office before the end of his term and. replace him with who oh Gerald Ford who. sat on the Warren Commission Now how did.

Gerald Ford get to be Richard Nixon's. Vice President well because Carl Albert. the Democrat Speaker of the House told. him you must choose him we will only. confirm him when they sent the actual. elected vice president away for tax. evasion SPO agnu of Maryland. so you have a complete setup like an ABS. Gerald Ford the only unelected president. in American history actually sat on the. Warren Commission something else that I. accepted at face value until I looked at.

it I was like that's completely insane. you didn't want to interview Jack Ruby. in your investigation of the. assassination okay you're fake yeah he. was on the warrant commission and so uh. sorry for the long story but the point. is like that that happened in front of. all of us but the way it was framed. cloaked the obvious reality of it the. people broke into the Watergate office. building from which the name is taken. Watergate was I think it was six of them. or seven of them all but one was a CIA. employee that that's real it's like look.

it up on Google so the whole thing. Richard Nixon was elected by more votes. than any president in American history. in the 1972 election he was the most. popular by votes which is the only way. we can really measure popularity the. most popular. president in his election campaign and. two years later he's gone undone by a. naval Intel officer the number two guy. at the FBI and a bunch of CIA employees. you tell me what that is those are the.

facts those are not disputed facts. that's not crackpot [ __ ] that's just. look it up so why did they want to get. rid of. Nixon um you know there are a lot of. theories on that I mean we don't first. of all we don't need to know motive to. know what happened they meaning. unelected federal employees got rid of. Richard Nixon which is the most. anti-democratic way to make a leadership. change that there is okay I should just. say at the outet I actually kind of.

believe in democracy obviously it's not. working well obviously it's ending. globally there will never be another. liberal democracy unfortunately but I'm. attached to it because I was born here I. really believe in it and it's better. than any other system so that's why I'm. pissed what was their. motive there are a lot of theories on. this there's an amazing convers ation on. tape um between Richard Nixon when he. was still president I think it was in. 1973 and I think it was Richard Helms. the head of the CIA though I may have. [ __ ] that up but it was the head of. the CIA I think it was Helms um and.

Nixon says I know why they killed Jack. Kennedy so Nixon was a student of. History obviously a flawed and. complicated person but a very very smart. person and he was really interested in. why this guy who'd been president just. one president before him was murdered. and he didn't think it was a lone gunman. who was mysteriously assassinated two. days later by another lone gunman like. it's so obviously [ __ ] and he knew. that and he said to say a director who.

and you can listen to the tape that's on. the internet is totally silent on this. question so I think there was the. impression I don't think I know that. Nixon understood that the bureaucracy. was really in control of the country it. wasn't elected. officials and that's a massive threat. um because it's. true so and there may have been other. reasons too that I'm not privy to look. all I and by the way I didn't even know. any of this despite having moved to. Washington in high school and been.

around this stuff a lot a lot a lot I. didn't know any of and I know Bob. Woodward personally so I didn't and I. Know Carl Bernstein personally I even. work for Carl Bernstein briefly so I I. knew some of the actual players in this. but I didn't connect the obvious dots. because they weren't framed that way. that's the point I'm making it's the way. that you frame things you can have all. the information available on Wikipedia. which is also controlled by the Intel. agencies but it there's still. information on there the information can. be out there in the public domain it's a.

matter of seeing it for what it. is right. yeah so Nixon said that he knew why they. killed JFK MH did he elaborate. nope and it's worth listening to it's a. very weird conversation that takes place. in the oval. office which famously had tape recording. devices in it obviously this became a. big feature during the Watergate. hearings um but yes that conversation.

and I may be mangling it slightly but. it's on the internet and absolutely. worth listening to and the CIA director. has this kind of sinister silence so. like if if I'm the president you're the. CIA director and I say I know why the. guy who is just president 10 years ago. was. killed the obvious answer would be like. well why right why why you what you know. why he was killed you've got insight. into the assassination of the US. president he doesn't say. anything is like a very weird response. like what just kind of throw that out.

there like if you say to me you know. we're taking a leak you're at the next. Journal you're like I figured out the. secret to life and I'm like huh. okay that's like not a good response. right right right it's a telling. response did you hear Trump's take on. the JFK assassination why he didn't. release the files I know it. he said that if you knew what I know you. wouldn't tell people. either which is crazy well that's his. position on the UAP thing as well yeah.

actually um and that's a lot of people's. position on it I mean you know Trump is. saying of course the CIA had knowledge. of it that is. known. um I. mean I mean the whole thing it's like. it's so funny there's so many levels and. there's so much I don't understand but. the whole JFK conspiracy industry and it. really is an industry more books written. on that than almost any historical topic. um is is filled with wackos right there.

are a lot of wackos in there but it. obscures that fact obscures the larger. fact which is the facts themselves tell. an unbelievable story yeah and so um. whatever I could get into it at Great. length but yeah um yeah they they're. still classifying documents 61 years. later both Trump and Joe Biden have in. violation of my read of federal law kept. those documents secret there's no living. person connected to the Kennedy. assassination it was a couple.

Generations ago there's no one person. who's whose secrets are being protected. it's an institution or maybe countries. there may have been countries involved. too I mean I don't know the answer but. there's clearly something worth. protecting and I know that when I I. spoke to someone who seen the documents. okay two years ago and I got um I got. one fact out of them which is yes the. CIA was involved and by CIA CIA is a. huge organization but James Jesus.

Angleton the head of the operations. directorate had knowledge of this which. I think is well known but that that's. the view of someone who saw the. documents so I thought that was news so. I went on TV and said. that um the next day I'll never forget. it I went quail hunting and I was. driving back and I got a phone call from. Mike pompeo's lawyer Mike Pompeo was the. Secretary of State but before then he. was the director of the CIA and in that. position he plotted the murder of Julian.

Assan so he is a criminal as far as I'm. concerned but um his lawyer called me. and said you know you should know that. anyone who tells you the contents of. classified documents has committed a. crime he's threatening me he in my car. I'll never with my dog sitting next to. I'll never forget this and I said are. you really saying that to reveal that. the US government had a role in the. murder of a democratically elected. president to say that out loud that's. the crime what about the actual crime.

which is murdering a president like. you're covering up for that. Mike he had no no response at. all and so Mike Pompeo is the one who. pressed Trump to keep those documents. secret and so it's like what's crazy to. me is not just that Pompeo did that I. think Pompeo is a really Sinister person. and a and a criminal I think that I. think that because the facts suggest. that he was caught Yahoo news Mike. isakov wrote a long piece on this. several years ago his employees went to.

Mike iskov and said hey Mike Pompeo is. plotting to murder Julian Assange who. has never even been charged with a crime. in the United States as CI director. that's illegal you're not allowed. federal employees are not allowed to. just kill people they don't like okay. just to set the Baseline here so. that's who Mike Pompeo is but he somehow. intimidated Trump into not releasing. this well okay that's all bad right I. think it's criminal Behavior what's. crazy is how Mike Pompeo is treated he's.

treated as like a republican Puba in. good standing he fully expects to become. the secretary of defense in a trump. Administration which is like completely. insane why would you take a criminal and. give him nuclear weapons okay that's my. view I think it's a common sense View. and like he goes to fundraisers and. dinners and everyone's like hey Mike. Pompeo it's like no you're the guy who. kept information the public has a right. to no secret you're the guy who plotted. the murder of someone who committed no. crime you are the outlaw you are the bad.

guy but no he's treated as like you know. like a pillar of Republican Washington I. think that's I think it's mindbending to. watch that and by the way you know. whatever that's all I'll say by the way. no I mean you know people don't say that. cuz they're worried getting punished. they're worried about someone putting. Kitty porn on their computer members of. Congress are terrified of the Intel. agencies I'm not guessing at that. they've told me that including people on. the Intel committee including people who.

run the Intel committee the people whose. job it is to oversee and keep in line. these enormous secretive agencies whose. budgets we can't even know they're black. budgets they the parents the agencies. are the children they're afraid of the. AG gencies that's not compatible with. democracy democracy is a really simple. system even representative democracy. like ours the people rule they do so. through elections they express their. preference through voting they send.

their people to the capital city to run. the government on their behalf whenever. you have unelected people who are not. accountable to anyone making the biggest. decisions you don't have a democracy you. have something else another system I. would call it a tyranny or whatever you. want to call it it's not a democracy so. that's like super obvious it's playing. out in front of everyone and no one. cares and no one does anything about it. and I and I think the reason is because. they're threatened and if you look at. the committee chairman who allow this. [ __ ] to happen year after year they're.

all and I don't know people say oh. they're compromised they're being. blackmailed whatever I don't have. evidence of that but I know them and. they all have things to hide I know that. for a fact and so it's not a stretch of. imagination to imagine that you know. some committee chairman who's allowing. warrantless spying on Amer Americans to. continue or whatever abuse they're. allowing knowing fully or hiding the. truth about uaps ignoring the UAP. disclosure Act of 2023 like why are they. doing that it's not impossible to. imagine that some guy with a drinking.

problem or a weird sex life and that's. very common very common up there that's. why they're doing it because they don't. want to be exposed I don't I don't have. evidence of that I don't have proof of. that right but that that's not a crazy. thing to assume that that could be. happening and I said to somebody a very. powerful person. the other day in a conversation in my. kitchen an elected official holds a. really senior position a very famous. person I was going crazy I was so mad. about all this stuff and about the. warrantless spying and about the funding. for these insane Wars and I said to the.

guy who serves in one of the legislative. bodies like got so mad my dogs were. afraid they're like well why you yelling. because I don't yell at home but I was. like all these people are controlled. they're all you know got weird sex lives. and all these things are hiding and. they're being blackmailed by the Intel. agencies and he said that I'm quoting I. know I was like are we okay so at this. point we're just sort of we're just sort. of admitting that's real like how why do. we allow that to continue the having. people compromise thing God that's an.

old story it's the oldest story J G. Hoover I mean it's it's it's uh all of. them it's Epstein's Island it's. everything but look I don't have any I'm. telling you I'm What's The Phrase the. finance guys use open kimono like I'm. actually telling you all I know I don't. know anything else right um but I know. that the publicly available facts tell a. really clear story which is the. government is not acting on behalf of. the population and so it's inherently. illegitimate because its only legitimacy.

derives from the citizenry the only. reason the government can do things that. it does kill people collect money by. force all the powers that it has come. from one place and that's the consent of. the government that's the only. legitimacy they have and that's where. it's fascinating this concept of Good. and Evil because when you think about it. if this is true and if these people are. compromised because they're secretly. perverts and creeps they are though and. they're corrupt and they they steal. money or they all these different things.

are evil things lying controlling people. uh engaging in unnecessary Wars that are. going to cost thousands of lives for. profit all these things are evil things. so if evil is real evil would want those. kind of people to be in a position of. power yes and here's evil would want men. to breastfeed their children here's the. like op here's the here's the illusion. that we fall for time and again we. imagine that evil comes like fully.

advertised as such like evil people look. like Anton Le. yeah you know what I mean black cloak. exactly sickle. evil is an independent force that exists. outside of people that acts upon people. I really believe that I've experienced. a lot and it's obvious and what vessel. do they choose the weak it's weak men. and women who are instruments of evil.

the weaker the leader the more evil that. leader will be so it's and unfortunately. we've reached a time in American history. where every leader is either a woman or. a weak man pretty much and so there's. I'm sorry to say it that's just true and. the weaker the leader that's why Mike. Johnson everyone's like oh Mike. Johnson's such a nice guy well I know. Mike Johnson and he's perfectly nice guy. to the exent that he's like polite and. seems kind of Meek and restrained and. he's not saying [ __ ] every ever.

you know what I mean he's got like very. sort of button- down affect um but he's. he's a weak man and that's the man you. should be afraid of the people who you. shouldn't be less afraid of are the you. know headstrong loud don't care what. anybody thinks yeah those guys will go. off track but they're probably not going. to bet you know genocide or blow up the. world in a nuclear exchange because they. might they may be obnoxious but they. know who they are weak people just. become a host for evil you know uh an an.

open empty building that evil occupies. possesses even um and that's exactly. what's happening to Mike Johnson it's. like absolutely crazy what Mike Johnson. is doing but it's not because he's evil. it's because he's weak and therefore. susceptible to evil it's a meaningful. distinction that I have noticed it is a. very strange thing how. many weak people wind up being leaders. in this society and particularly because.

so many people don't want their live. exposed they don't want that eye of. Sauron gazing down upon them if they try. to run for president I get it or the. physical threat yeah physical I mean. look at what's happening to RFK where. the Biden Administration for the first. time ever denied him secrets service. protection it's absolutely as a. legitimate presidential candidate well. it's absolutely nuts yeah I mean how is. that I mean it's hard you know you. realize that a lot of the things that we. took for granted were actually voluntary.

like people just didn't do things. because like that's just wrong that's. not fair you know what I mean that's bad. sportsmanship like there was a lot of. like self-restraint involved in running. a functional Society you can't kind of. in you can't just make an infinite. number of laws and enforce them that's. impossible you rely on people to just. not do bad [ __ ] because like I'm not the. kind of person who does bad [ __ ] mhm and. once the people in charge decide well. I'm just going to do whatever I want not. a lot you can do about it so the B.

Administration denies him Secret Service. protection and you're like how can you. do that like well we're doing it what. are you going to do about it [ __ ] and. like the answer is nothing actually what. is this most recent bill that they're. trying to pass uh about the ability to. monitor. phones well it's just the nightmare. scenario um it's something that they've. already capable of doing because they. did it to you and they did it through an. encrypted app oh they do oh yeah how do. they do it do you know how they use how. they got into your phone um well there.

are two ways to do it's it's interesting. and I was I was with Ed Snowden um in. Moscow and talked a lot about this. because he's got the technical he's. first of all an excellent and principled. person and his his X feed is a really. good place to start for people to. understand what's Happening Here. um he's paid a huge price for being on. obviously for he's literally exiled to. Moscow um involuntarily but uh there are. a couple ways to do it um one you know.

you could hack into signal I guess it's. open source um it was created with CIA. money as I'm sure you know I'm not sure. that's how you I don't think you need to. do that you just capture the phone. itself you just capture the phone and. the bottom line on digital security is. that nothing is safe from State actors. who want to spy on you period there's no. there's no electronic communication that. they can't monitor period what about. these things like Eric Prince has some. new phone out I think it's called. unplugged yeah Eric is a good friend of.

mine and I've I I have a couple of those. phones and I've talked to him a lot. about it and he's a really a wonderful. person one of my favorite people. actually um but that that phone is is. designed for a different purpose I think. I know and that that phone is designed. to keep uh Apple and Google from. tracking you which is sort of a separate. category like um was this Jimmy this is. the bill I believe I think which Bill.

the one you were talking about oh okay. house bill on. 72 can we just roll down to what you. highlighted so this is like a perfect. example so um the Turner heims. Bill Congressman Mike Turner and Jim. heims so who are Mike Turner and Jim. heims so. it just be funny both those guys are the. most and who knows why and you can sort. of fill in the blank on motive I'm not. going to but those are two of the most.

reliable water carriers for the Intel. agencies and for basically the federal. bureaucracy in the Congress like these. are not people who are working for their. constituents these are people who are. working for permanent Washington I would. say these are two of the most Sinister. people I know more about Turner than. heimes um but so it's not surprising. they're doing this it would permit. federal law enforcement to also Force. any other service provider with access. to Communications equipment to hand over. data anyone with access to a Wi-Fi.

router server or even phone anyone from. a landlord to a laundromat will be. required to help the government spy so. that's the story right there so. basically warrantless of course. warrantless absolutely and in you know. violation of the Fourth Amendment to the. Constitution as if anyone cares anymore. no one does clearly but I just remember. when I was a kid and we're roughly the. same generation you remember this too. people be like oh East Germany like. there are more spies than there are. people East Germany was like the most. elaborate surveillance State ever.

created and of course it collapsed but. we always make fun of East Germany or. North. Korea who do who has more privacy the. average North Korean or the average. American well obviously the average. North Korean because there's less. technology the US government spies on. its own population more than the North. Korean government spies on its that's. just a fact I'm not saying North Korea. is preferable I'm not moving there I'm. not carrying water for North Korea what. I'm doing is criticizing my government. because I live here because it was. better it can be better it should be.

better and it only will be when we. demand it and it's not some [ __ ]. esoteric like you have to be some crazy. civil liberties lawyer or something like. every person should demand just as a. starting point a baseline that no you. you're not allowed to spy on me I didn't. do do anything wrong right like what. right no privacy no Humanity you can't. be fully human without privacy and you. also have to take into consideration. that these people that are ahead of. these intelligence agencies that are.

requesting these data are just they're. just human beings they're human beings. requesting data from other human beings. without going through a court without. going to a judge and getting a warrant. without stating a case without having. like some clear National Security. mandate something of course not and. there's no justification I mean by the. way we had fisa we've had the fisa the. foreign intelligence surveillance act. since I think 1977 so it predates 9/11.

did it stop 911 oh I don't think it did. shut the [ __ ] up you're not protecting. us actually you open the southern border. to anyone who wants to come you're not. checking IDs you're not doing any kind. of Biometrics you're not even screening. for covid so clearly you don't care. about my safety stop telling me you do. you don't you're a criminal stop this a. you don't care about my safety so using. my safety as a pretext for spying me is. not going to fly cuz I'm not that stupid. I may be kind of stupid I'm not that. stupid no you're doing this for one.

simple reason because this is what. organizations do they protect themselves. they exist for their own benefit all. human organizations from the church bake. sale committee to the Department of. Justice they all are the same they're an. organism just like any other and an. organism's main goal is is to survive. and reproduce to get bigger and you just. see this throughout the federal. bureaucracy well just so happens that. the largest human organization in. history is the federal government of the. United States and so all of this stuff.

benefits it it acrs to its own power. that's like like let's say you believed. every quote piece of science or. scientific Claim about global climate. change you would not reach the same. policy conclusions You' be like well the. first thing we need to do is Ban private. air travel because obviously that. doesn't make any sense and then the. second thing we need to do is you know. whatever you you'd look at it rationally. from a scientific if if you bought the. premise which I don't but if you did you. would that no you go through every. climate quote climate demand not one of.

them disempowers large organizations. whether it's NOS or the government of. the United States not one of them they. all make the government more powerful. and they all make you less powerful so. that's when you know it's not really. about the temperature of the Earth's. atmosphere it's about making them more. powerful and disempowering you and it's. not about who runs those agencies the. bigger the agency the more effective it. will be in doing what all human. organizations do which is protect. themselves and increase their power it's.

like that it's fundamental I guess. that's what I'm saying it's not about oh. elect Trump it'll change no it'll only. change when like we're just eliminating. the CIA and we're going to have like a. small Intel Gathering service that feeds. the president relevant information so we. can make inform foreign policy decisions. but we're not going to we're not going. to like overturn elections in other. countries in the name of democracy. because that's insane if we believe in. democracy then we're going to let people. vote for their own leaders because we. believe in democracy as a principle. right like you just get rid of all this.

[ __ ] because it's not helping us it's. only hurting us and um it would take. someone uh you know who'd be willing to. be assassinated to do anything like that. and so is is you're choosing your. leaders ask yourself does this person. mean it enough to die and that's the. same question you ask about your own dad. does he love me enough to die for me. about your own husband does he love me. enough to protect me from a home home. Invader at risk to himself like the the. basic prerequisite for leadership is. love of the people you lead and the.

willingness to die for them and if you. don't have that you shouldn't be leading. period it's true in the military it's. true in business it's true in your home. and it's true in the government and so. no president will fix this unless he's. like literally willing to die for it and. short of that it can't be. fixed I could think of no better way to. end this conversation than that Joe. Rogan ladies and gentlemen nailed it. well listen man it's been very fun. getting to know you I think you are a uh. very you're you're a controversial.

character in the world but you're. misunderstood and uh I think if people. pay attention to your actual work and. the things that you talk about I think. you're you're generally a force of good. I really believe that I feel like I'm. the most conventional person who's ever. lived yeah I don't think I'm radical at. all I'm the opposite in this crazy. time someone who's conventional and and. wise seems radical maybe I'm hoping for. a better time yeah I think a better.

time's possible me too I do it's just uh. we're in for a rough. ride yeah I'm not I'm not disarming. anytime soon sorry yeah thank you Tucker. thanks Jeff bye everybody. ah. [Music].