Joe Rogan Experience #2114 - Zack Snyder

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day we're up what's going on man how are. you I'm good I'm welcome aboard thank. you for being here no thanks for having. me my pleasure you you made two of my. all-time favorite movies The Watchmen. are [ __ ] love 300 okay awesome those. are I have like a top 20 list I've never. like formally put together a top 20 list.

but those are in there oh that's cool. well uh first of all I appreciate that. cuz uh you know 300 was a complete labor. of love and insane like you know 300 was. I I I was a Frank Miller fan for a long. time right and I I thought the I thought. I would do another I thought I would do. Dark Knight Returns frankly that was the. movie I wanted I still want to do it I I. always tell everyone like Dark Knight. Returns if I could do Dark Knight. Returns I'd be done with comic book. movies really well because like if.

you've done Watchmen oh sorry I'm. banging the mic if you do Watchmen and. Dark Knight Returns like for me you're. good your good your legacy is set so. like Batman vers Superman literally. steals a lot of Dark Knight Returns I'm. not going to say it didn't it did but. it's still not Dark Knight return so I. think that's still out there but I. always you know for a long time I had. that I had 300 like on my coffee table.

at my house when I was making TV. commercials you know and I'd have my. friends over i' be like I'm going to. make this one day it's going to look. exactly like this comic book and they'd. be like yeah yeah you're sure it is and. uh yeah I was. having h a general meeting with Giani. nari who was one of the producers and he. was asking me about what I like and he. had that graphic novel in his office. like on his table and I went well okay. you know what if I could do anything. that book right there I would make that. and equs well what do you mean how would.

you make it and I literally just open it. up and I go we'd make we'd film this. we'd film these pictures would look like. this and he goes okay that's cool like. so you're saying you would just shoot. the movie and it would look like this. graphic novel I go that's what I'm. saying and I think and that's what but. but at the time we couldn't sell it we. tried we went around town with it we. tried to I literally we went to all the. studios um you know they were all kind. of.

um kind of like yeah sword and sandals. yeah wasn't it the same time that Troy. was being made it was exactly the same. time as Troy and when we went to Warner. Brothers originally with it they they. literally were like we have we have Troy. so why would we want this we have Brad. Pit like literally Brad Pit is in our. movie what do you I go we're gonna do. something crazy we're not even going to. shoot it outside and they were like what. okay you're nuts and I go yeah we're not. going to go for one shot outside we.

ended up going for one shot outside for. this when the Persian Messengers are. coming that super highs speed shot where. the horses are kind of coming over the. hill we shot that outside because we. just couldn't get the horses going fast. enough in the it's the shot right before. this I think Miss oh no it's this one. that's it it's that shot so that shot. was the the horses that was a high-speed. shot we did with photosonics outside but. that was it that's like the only shot. outside everything else is on run we. couldn't get the hores fast enough. inside yeah and we and it was too expens. if that was a lowbudget movie you know.

we couldn't get 300 was a lowbudget. movie yeah cuz we I mean we shot it all. on stage 60 days like that's like why. there's no director's cut of of watch of. 300 is because we every frame of film we. shot is in the shot that movie in 60. days 60 days yeah it it was crazy yeah. that's insane it was we were just we it. almost killed us but it was it was it. was fun but yeah so when we took it to. Warner Brothers they were. like you know finally well what happened.

was I did Dawn of the Dead and then from. Dawn of the Dead uh I C I was supposed. to do I Am Legend right and I am Legend. was this movie that was at Warner. Brothers that they were like what do you. think and then for some there was some. kind of crazy mixup and they ended up. giving that movie to someone else and. then I think they felt bad or whatever. and they said well what what do you want. to do and I said well I really still. want to do 300 and so we set we shot. that test shot there's like I think it's. on the DVD there's a test shot we did.

and they said okay if you can make the. movie look like that go go go go do it. was that one of the first movies that. was ever shot in front of a green screen. like basically most of the movie except. that one scene sorry yeah I don't think. it was like look green screen. photography was like a well-known way to. make a movie visual effects all that. whole movie yeah I don't know about a. whole movie that that that was weird I. always say like they go like what. Innovations like what and I always go. like it's basically the same technology. that the weatherman uses you know like.

when you know when he stands in front of. the green screen and says like oh the. front's coming in from the north you. know it's literally yeah it's literally. the same it's literally the same. technology you know as uh as a because. look like easily you could put like The. weather behind that guy right there and. it be the same that's that's Eli that's. my son oh wow he's now making movies he. was the second unit director on Rebel. Moon oh that's so cool yeah he's he also. plays the young Roar Shack in uh in um.

Watchman yeah like the baby Ro Shack. yeah cuz like you put your kid in the. movie and I always was like oh let's. have Eli do that because it's easier you. know like he has to like beat the other. kid up just Eli's better because like I. don't have to talk to like some you know. other cuz like actually there's a scene. in Watchman you know where he bites the. kid's face MH and he pulls the flesh off. the face and I go you know what let's. just get e e to do it cuz then I could. just be like okay e bite this now pull. it like rip it off right the only. troubling part of that is that there was.

a scene that we did um in that movie. where the you know because rack's Mom. was a prostitute right so there's that. scene where rack's Mom in the flashbacks. like I should have had that abortion. right and she slaps him in the face. right because because he hears mom is he. hurting you like cuz she's having sex. with some some John in there and then. she opens the door and she's like you. know he's like is he hting you I should. have had that abortion slapped him and I. had wanted the mother to be topless in.

that scene and they were like nah like. you can't have and it was cool because. his mother was visiting set that day and. his mom um was there and she was like oh. you're putting our son in a movie like. we weren't together at the time um his. mom and I but she we're really close. friends but she was an actress and I. said and they went the only way that the. woman could be topless is if it was. actually his mom and I was like uh I go.

Denise and she was like no. chance imagine ask your ex-wife to play. a terrible prostitute who slaps their. son and says I wish I had an abortion. holy [ __ ] I go come on it's for the. drama it's not like oh my God I know she. was like you insane and I was like come. on it would have been awesome it's at. least slightly insane but that would be. the only way to do it yeah could you CG. boobs on her yeah that that's cool at. the time probably now I think we could.

now I think we could have yeah I think. we could have if I if ID wanted to do it. now I think that's how you would do it. you'd do it like with like some sort of. chest rig and they would paint them out. and then re redo the boobs that'd be. that's a good idea actually how much. I'll go back in how much of any CGI was. used on their bodies in 300 zero CGI in. the body really really zero we didn't. have the money honestly so many people. talk so much [ __ ] [ __ ] I swear to God. I'm like you know you you need mark. twight on the show and then Mark will.

tell you uh you know Mark is Mark. trained the guys Mark's like this. amazing he's like uh he I I've known. Mark for years and he was he's an. incredible Alpine climber he's like this. he's just like this insane he can shoot. he can [ __ ] he could do anything that. anyone can do and like when I asked him. to train the guys he's like this sounds. like Hollywood [ __ ] like train. actors for a movie like they're all. fakers they're all liars and I was like. look you you will make them honest and. so he's like all right so he started.

training everybody yeah there's Mark. right there and um his gym was called. Jim Jones right like just as an example. of like how hard he. is um but yeah and so like you know he. had trained all these seals and you know. basically it was basically the same. thing that he was doing with the seals. he did with these actors and uh so a. prerequisite had to be imagine you had. to be in some form of shape some shape. teeny bit of shape a couple guys came to.

us they were you know pure actors um but. 90% you know had um had some had some. shape how much time did you have to work. with them I'm trying to remember uh. normally what I like is at least five. weeks I I like five weeks and I'll take. more if you'll give it to me sure for a. film but I mean to prepare physically I. I'm talking about before the film start. s two months or three months I like.

before the film starts of training. that's enough time to get them into that. 300 it never is these guys trained. doubly as hard and they knew a lot of. them were athletes anyway so they came. in with like and Jerry had had more time. um and Jerry trained with his own guy. Jerry didn't train with Mark uh but like. yeah so you know it depends like you. know Henry caval um Mark trained Henry. for um for Superman and that was a very.

that was a real um that was longer I. think that was three months or four. months um but yeah it's not it's never. enough time because you just can't get. it on like actors you know they just. ideally you know you'd. have you know half a year six months. would be perfect really at least yeah I. mean just to get. you you. know visibly you know I always say the. one thing is like I always say the one. thing about um movies is that and the.

thing about Mark that I love was that he. he went to psychological war with the. actors in the best possible way you know. like he what he was looking for he would. always say I'm going to put you in your. pain cave and you're going to find out a. lot about yourself when you're in there. right and then when you come out of the. workout you know you're going to you're. going to grow you know I'm going to grow. you here and uh some people some people. just don't don't they don't like that.

you know especially people who haven't. like you know Fitness isn't like a. lifestyle that they've chosen you know. no that's a journey that you have to be. really dedicated to go down if you're. just a kind of a casual and someone. comes along and says I want to put you. in the pain cave like I'm not interested. in that I I think it works with actors. because he makes it part of The Crucible. of the performance you know and I think. if you can connect it to the performance. it makes the train. means something you know I was always.

I've always been like a sort of. bodybuilding fan like in the 80s I. trained with this guy um in the 80s who. was just like a teacher that lived you. know this guy Jim Arden who lived in. grenwich Connecticut where I grew up he. was a teacher at this school called. grage Country Day which was near the. boarding school that I went to and I was. like you know everyone expected me to be. like uh I I I played soccer I was like. an athlete I was a really but then I. sort of got into like weight training I. was like that's what I want to do.

everyone thought it was insane but like. you know it and I think it was it was my. meeting Jim and Jim being like CU Jim. had this in the basement of Grinch. country day there was like this weirdo. Jim and like you know Chris Dickerson. and like you know Mike cats all these. like crazy 80s bodybuilders would show. up and train with him and it was like. this weird I'd be like this is awesome. and like we went to the Olympia like he. took us to the Olympia in New York City. I don't what year was like 82 or three I.

forget what year but anyway it was just. really cool and I was just in the and. then of course I was like you know. Schwarzenegger I read his like book. education of a bodybuilder you know it's. a weirdo book I did you get involved in. bodybuilding yourself I mean I trained. with Jim because I thought like okay. yeah maybe I'll be a bodybuilder one day. that'd be cool like you know but of. course like I was also painting and I I. remember when I when I was a senior in. high school after I graduated I went to. London for a year to Art School to paint. and I lost like 40 pounds of muscle in.

that on in that year just like literally. I was in like the best shape of my life. went to England to be a painter and like. literally just ate baked beans on toast. for a year and like starved to death wow. but I was like this is amazing you know. like I'm an artist you know but it was. it was definitely it definitely put a. put a but I always had the like but I. always had that. aesthetic you know bug in my head and. now I have my trainer now is this guy. allesandro he trained everyone for Rebel. Moon and he's like this he's 6 in his. early 60s Italian was a bodybuilder was.

a powerlifter became a bodybuilder and. he's like you know he's just like this. he's a hard Italian no [ __ ] like you. know it was cool because on the during. the during the training for Rebel Moon. one of the actors was like I have an. idea for a workout do you want to hear. it he's like I have an idea for a. movie stay in your lane exactly he's. like or like the guys at the gym like. cuz you know he used to like judge. bodybuilding competitions and you know.

has his Pro card and everything was like. a real bodybuilder and they'd say like. hey can you come and look at me you know. I have a contest coming up in the. bathroom and they go in there and the. guy take his shirt off and he'd be like. how long till the competition like oh. you be like I got two months till the. competition and all hard to be like I. think next year for you is going to be. better wow you know it's like oh you. know and he has no problem with saying. you know like I think I need to lose. like 40 pounds more like. 80 Jesus he's like hard but he's but. he's awesome he like no [ __ ] like.

he's h i i i i think he's and like you. know he trained the guys for rebble Moon. and he's like a pure aesthetic mhm. trainer like pure aesthetic you know. just going for a look he's seen. everything you know he just like okay. you know your abs could be sharper you. know yeah that's a weird thing yeah it's. like a whole thing you know it's like. just like it is a whole thing a whole. thing yeah I had Ronnie colan on oh yeah. and exactly you know Ronnie Coleman at. one point in time was the freak of all. freaks oh he is hands down like no one's. ever going to be better like he's the.

freak of all freaks yeah like just like. the way his muscles attach is like crazy. like you can't well he was probably one. of the strongest bodybuilders ever. unbelievably and that's part of the the. reason why he looked the way he looked. he didn't look just big he looked super. powerful also the thing about colan like. you know he you see like guys that are. just incredibly swole where they can't. like they're muscle bound like they. can't and he could like always just like. he could just like touch his like back. of his head look at him back D at that.

picture that is so insane yeah alandro. um was in a competition with him night. of the Champions I think in San. Francisco and he said like he goes I. come from Italy I like I I'm in my first. competition I like pull a card and I'm. like realized like I'm next to co Ronnie. Coleman and me I'm like he's like great. this is [ __ ] perfect and he goes like. the guy you know like how bodybuilders. like the whole thing is about your skin. being super thin so everything like. shows he goes and he goes I saw him.

backstage and I thought you know what. the Skin's like not there it's not going. to happen he goes but then like you know. he like so much muscle he like pulls and. it's just like he's like oh my God like. where how is it possible that the skin. just can't the muscle's so thick it just. like pushes all stretches you see all. the striations and everything that you. with him just relaxing like at Backstage. you thought ah you know I'm more ripped. than him but then like he's like no way. it's such a weird sport because they're.

literally on death's door oh literally. they dehydrate themselves to the point. where they have kidney failure almost oh. yeah yeah the only thing that's the. thing that we can all learn from the. bodybuilders is like I think that just. now in sort of everything that's. happening like with longevity and like. all this like the bodybuilders will do. stuff to their bodies that nobody else. would dare do they'll do dosages that no. one will do and so like it's cool to to. say like okay if you want to know what. quadruple the dose of anything does just.

ask those guys they tell you cuz I think. like You' be like okay you could this is. the most you could take and then it's. toxic oh cool I'll take triple that and. see what happens you know because they. just they're all searching for like the. Magic Bullet it's kind of amazing how. few of them have died well and also they. do die all the time so it's not they do. die but it's not like you'd expect to. kill all of them you think every single. one of. them great shape yeah and how can you. have been on the edge of for so long. yeah how could you yeah well the body is.

incredible that's what you learned he's. really suffered unfortunately Ronnie but. I think he suffered from surgery yeah I. think the surgery got him you know. there's so many guys who get back. surgery and back then stem cells weren't. available and people weren't aware that. there's other ways to fix your back the. doctors just want to go in there and. start fusing discs and scares the [ __ ]. out of me everybody that I know that's. had that done has had real problems. afterwards it puts extra pressure on the. above and below discs as well cuz it's. an it's an unnatural sort of unit now.

instead of having three pieces you now. have one sure you know no it's crazy. it's it can be a real problem it can be. a real problem yeah and I and I and I. think that healing the science behind. healing is you know it's changing so. much Leaps and Bounds Leaps and Bounds. and I think that that really that's. where the future is in my my opinion. like H how we learn to heal is really. how we learn to like really stay you. know active and like getting stuff done. for longer because like you know. recovery is the whole thing you know.

100% recover is the and also being. cognizant of what your little issues are. and not letting them get chronic when I. was young I was just too much of a meat. head IGN work through pain and also when. you're doing Jiu-Jitsu you're always in. pain so I was just like just work. through the pain but then I started. developing some like real chronic. problems and um it wasn't until I. started doing stem cells and then. starting to understand like you can't.

you can but it's not wise to just go and. only do Jiu-Jitsu really you should be. doing maintenance weightlifting that's. designed to strengthen your joints and. so I really started doing that and that. made a giant difference too and instead. of just thinking of it as a workout it's. always like okay is your car ready to. get on the track no it's not you need to. change your tires no it's not your. suspension's off no it's not you need. more gas whatever the [ __ ] it is. absolutely treat your body like that. don't just say I'm [ __ ] tough I'm. gonna show up with the flu and I'm gonna.

go seven rounds no don't do that that's. stupid that's stupid every time I've. ever done that it's set me way back it's. never helped me never one time that I. was like pushed through the pain has it. ever been good not a single [ __ ] time. so now at 56 now I'm smart enough to go. okay don't do chin-ups you're getting. tendonitis in your left elbow stop you. know where this goes it's right here you. get at the same spot every time let's. start doing some wrist curls let's start. do let's work. Let's do let's do heavy rounds stop pull.

down too by the way it's fine yeah. there's different stuff you could do. that doesn't pull on that very specific. tendon but you know overuse injuries. those kind of things so when you're. doing a film like 300 and you're getting. these guys prepped for this you are you. telling them what to eat are you me. nutritionist it's awesome if I ever put. you in a movie the cool thing is is you. you show up you work out they hand you.

food they like massage you it's like the. greatest oh that's great treat them like. pro athletes yeah like pro athletes just. a pro athlete and you're like in. training camp you know dude I just. watched 300 again this summer cuz my. family and I went to uh went to Greece. oh cool and so we let's watch 300 and my. 13-year-old had never seen Greek 300. before and she was like holy [ __ ] I'm. like yeah that's a [ __ ]. movie we were just in Greece this summer. too and it was cool cuz we were like in. Athens and we were walking up to Depon.

and I noticed like all the gift shops. they have like Spartan [ __ ] in them. around and uh I go I said to the guide I. go I'm sorry about that and she goes. what are you talking. about and I go apologize for all this. Spartan stuff in here and she goes yeah. I said [ __ ] movie. 300 and I she know you made no no and I. said I go yeah that's why I said I'm. sorry I made that movie and she goes. what do you mean you made it and I was. like yeah I I that's my movie that's my.

movie and she goes no and I go yeah and. then she was like that's. awesome now she likes you yeah it was. cool it was a cool swing but it was well. it's a [ __ ] awesome movie if you. don't like 300 you can go eat [ __ ]. anybody didn't enjoy that what do you. hate fun do do you hate well the thing. is like also I met a lot of like a lot. of seals a lot of like First Responders. as you can imagine really. really you know I've seen a lot of.

Spartan tattoos you know because of that. you know and and I'm and I'm proud that. uh you know that they find some sort of. like inspiration dude leonitis is what. every man wants to be true yeah you know. it's it's it's a it he was perfect he he. he knew where like look you know he knew. where is uh he knew who to look to to uh. to find out whether to burn the whole. thing down yeah and uh you know she gave. him the okay and it was also the movie.

was brutally. representative of all of both it was it. was both like mythical and beautiful and. magical but also very tied into the. ethics of the Spartans and how. absolutely brutal their world was and. how they just accepted things in a way. they just like wow yeah that's the thing. that people are always like you know. with me and when they ask me like what. about the morality of the movie what do. you think of it and I go like Sparta is.

also another planet like if you like we. can't we would not make it right like to. say like oh yeah I'm cool like with the. Spartans Ian they would have chucked me. off the cliff like day one you know it's. not like a it's hard cool thing to. imagine like you want to like say yeah. I'm I'm with the Spartans in this but. like you know they they were they were. brutal people like they were a tool they. were a tool like we have democracy maybe. because they existed but they weren't. necessarily Democratic they didn't there.

was no voting on whether or not we would. like go in and die like that was just. like what they wanted you know that was. in their you know in their basic genetic. makeup or in their philosop. philosophical makeup was like okay A. Beautiful Death if I can get one of. those I'm good yeah I'm good and I won't. give it to you you got to take it right. but yeah that's that that that's like I. love that like Fast Bender when he's. like looking down and he says that whole. thing about like you know what's awesome.

is that with all the world's armies you. know there's got to be one guy down that. [ __ ] place that can kill me and do it. right you know and they're like are you. serious like that's what's turning you. on you're excited about the fact that. the guy that kills me might be down. there like that's it's also I think when. we look at things like that and we put. ourselves in the mindset of someone who. lived so many years ago like that. there's this there's this. understanding that human beings are.

capable of fitting into a bunch of. different bizarre. groups bunch of different strange. cultures can rise and when you have a. particularly barbaric time in history. and you have this group of people in. Athens that are literally changing the. world through. democracy and through the ucini and. Mysteries and all the [ __ ] that they. were doing people were traveling from. all over the globe to come to this one. spot and then you got these [ __ ].

Savages these people are the Savages of. savages the Spartans they're the like if. you think about if someone says like. what kind of a warrior would you want to. be right if you're a little kid I want. to be a Spartan yeah of course it's why. all these sports teams have Spartans as. they're like mascots you know yeah and. to imagine that there was a group of. people that existed a culture that. existed that was completely warlike and. had these tenants that were just. unbendable and from the time you were a.

child they tested you yeah that's it and. if you if you [ __ ] up if you failed if. you fell apart if you quit you were. chucked out yeah the crypta like they. like you know that that whole thing like. where they they would send you like. around seven you'd go on the agogi you'd. go like Into the Wilderness and you're. basically living among other kids that. were between like seven and 13 and you. just were like wild and they and and the. and the the the sort of elite of those. groups were called the crya and the crya.

would come down and just kill helots. whenever they wanted like they were. encouraged the helots were that slave. the slave class that the that the. Spartans sort of that maintain Spartan. society and These Guys these kids. imagine like if you lived you know and. like in the Hills you knew there was. just like this 13-year-old gang of 13y. olds that were going to just come down. and murder you at any moment they were. encouraged to and they were encouraged. to do it because they like and also the. hots were fine if the hells killed them. that was fine because that meant they. that they weren't good enough anyway and.

then they would have this like they did. this ritual with this like table of. cheese where like all these Spartan. warriors would stand around the table. and all the 13-year-olds who were ready. to like transition into becoming true. Spartans you'd have to like try and get. and pull a piece of cheese off this. Stone table and the and the Spartan. warriors who guarded the table could do. anything to stop you and it was just. like just beating the crap out of these. 13y olds and they and finally like you. know if you got it then you were you. were given to a a Spartan soldier who.

raised you and basically the idea was. that you he was your lover he was your. teacher he was everything to you because. the Spartans believed that you know. really they believe that you you you. would die for your your brother if you. were also lovers you know they thought. they thought that like if you were. confused about why we're fighting fight. for that guy who's not only your best. buddy but like there's like a story I. guess where they were like the spart.

when the Persians first came they sent a. scout over and that and they looked down. at the Spartans right the night before. the big battle and he goes he went back. and he goes they were all like having. sex with each other it was like a weird. like they're they're like it's we're. we're going to be good and and there was. this one of the Spartans Kings was the. old Spartan King was now working with. the Persians and said like oh no we're. [ __ ] they're saying goodbye to each. other do you know like you know what. that means like we're completely screwed. like they're going to like we're going. to get murdered tomorrow you know like.

and and they were like you're you're. nuts you don't know what you're talking. about like they're a bunch of softies. like let's go get them what if that's. the key to the to being the the absolute. greatest army you have to be gay yeah. you have to be gay well there's. precedent so I don't know there is. precedent right like imagine if that was. applied today yeah it could be amazing. yeah but well that would be a real. problem we'll the family structure we'll. see what they say yeah well by the way. in the end Spartans had a real problem. because they couldn't weal there's this.

really crazy thing like where on their. wedding night they would have to shave. the head of your bride and dress her. like a man and she would fight you. because there's no that was the only way. they got hard that the only way they. could get it yeah get her house because. like they needed like like unless they. got like unless they got like a bloody. lip you know they were like not it. wasn't going to happen that's so insane. isn't that crazy that's so insane so. like you can imagine that it was hard to. like keep the you know generate enough. Offspring you know with that like you.

had an awesome Army right they were. [ __ ] the best but like you you're as. far as your procreation was going wasn't. it God imagine being a woman back then. too well they had to run the whole show. because basically the guys were just. training so they all the Commerce and. like the deals they were making to like. you know okay we're going to make a. trade deal with this that was all done. by the women because like the the guys. were like no we're got we got to [ __ ]. work. out. it's kind of awesome in some ways it's. kind of awesome but it's kind of crazy.

and it's kind of crazy that it requires. you to be gay to be the greatest army. because that's the one element how much. do you love this person beside you yeah. you got to love them with everything. imagine the difference between you being. with some random stranger on the street. and a bunch of thugs attack the random. stranger how you would treat it versus. if they attacked your wife yeah do. anything you'd fight it's different it's. totally different I did that in in Rebel. Moon there's a bit where I put that.

there's a part where um Sophia's. character says like that they basically. say they encouraged me to find a lover. in the military academy because when the. politics of War became too abstract like. okay take that beach or like climb that. mountain a lot of times you know solders. like what why like there's no why but. like if you're but if you have a lover. who's next to you you who's your life.

and if they get killed or they're in. danger you're you get you know yeah. you're going to be back on you're back. on it yeah and I think that it's an. interesting we don't of course in our. modern society we don't play with that. aspect of you know in war we try not to. anyway we seem not to but you know like. with using the relationship to create a. bond so it it's an I mean like you know. there's there's there's Brotherhood of. course but theyve replaced that aspect.

of it with technology yeah a little bit. yeah which is interesting and maybe. that's maybe that's good but maybe it is. good but I mean I could imagine a world. in the future where things go totally. sideways will we go back to that yeah. absolutely we'll make a movie about it I. mean that's that is a possible future. dystopian movie like a new sparas the. sparas of the you know. 2059 well as soon as like you know what. is that Einstein thing you know if World. War III is fought with nuclear weapons. War four be fought with rocks yeah. sticks in rocks you know so it's like a.

yeah well if it's world war that does it. it's probably going to wipe out the. whole race but if it's something else. there there could be a like everyone. thinks of dystopia as being something. Man created which is real possible but. it's also possible we get H an asteroid. oh yeah absolutely that's more possible. I think that's that's more likely I. think I think we could [ __ ] up and nuke. each other but it's probably not going. to happen because people have been. really good about it since 1947 yeah. yeah yeah they've been it's nice congrat. thank you everybody 45 I guess good work.

but there's a there's a giant difference. between uh things that you can control. and things you can't control through. diplomacy and people aging out it's. possible that we could never have a. nuclear war it's not possible we're not. going to get hit oh yeah no that's why I. mean like I I'm very I I very much. encourage any um NASA programs that are. you know with their they got their. telescopes pointed into the Stars. they're like oh here comes one let's see. if we can go it you know nudge it nudge. it they're close they're close to being.

able to do that Neil degrass Tyson so. they're about a decade away from being. able to deflect asteroids yeah this. that'll be a big deal yeah but the hope. is in that decade that we don't miss we. don't get we don't miss one cuz some of. them come in from behind the sun oh yeah. yeah no they're like oh yeah we yeah. that's not cool there like there's so. much weirdness in space anyway there's. solar flares that could take out our. whole grid and kill all our. communication systems and they just r. and also the thing is like we don't know. like say you had say we had one of those.

like 300 years ago which in Cosmic time. is not that long ago nothing it's. nothing and we didn't have the. infrastructure to know that it would. happen like we were just a bunch of guys. hanging out so like we were just like wa. that's a weird like the Aurora Borealis. is pretty strong today yeah that's cool. but now we're like oh [ __ ] our computers. are fried so it's like a a whole. different yeah it's a now Stakes are. different we have the ability to go and. look at the data that they had from a. couple hundred years ago and say it. appears that there was an event and uh.

the event if it happened today we would. be [ __ ] right and we did not prepare. for this event when we were constructing. all this equipment we didn't well. because we we because also the equipment. got built it didn't get it got built. over time it was like a slow you know. this made this and this made that and we. relied on this so now we made this yeah. like we don't we built like our house of. cards like pretty pretty pretty uh. quickly too and found is the weakest. part it doesn't exist I don't think. there is a foundation because it's all.

dep the GD I really don't think there is. a foundation well the foundation is what. powers it and that's all dependent upon. a grid and the Grid's very vulnerable. physically vulnerable it's vulnerable to. cyber attacks I like that also we were. like we thought we were Geniuses by. putting all that online you know like oh. yeah we'll make the grid automated no. don't do that it's much better when. there was just a guy throwing switches. you know like he's he's not going to you. can't do anything to him just that guy. yeah guard that guy give him a lot of. money I love that expression in the.

cloud [ __ ] where is this Cloud that. cloud is in [ __ ] Cleveland what are. you talking about there's no Cloud CL is. not that's such a lie stop calling it. The Cloud that's a dirty lie oh it's in. the cloud I just go get it how do you. say that why don't you say it's in the. Stars why don't you just lie to me and. say it's in heaven tell me it's in. heaven say all my photos of my can. resurrect it yeah we can resurrect it my. family my dog they're all print. everything I say print everything that's. my fault. even the print everything thing the real. problem with us is all of our data is in.

on hard drives all of it yeah and. there's just paper books hard drives and. that's it so if something big happens. everything's useless and we start from. scratch yeah paper books are still kind. of work but yeah a lot of the modern. like Innovations aren't probably even in. paper books they're like a lot of them. yeah a lot of them well it's funny. because like the movies for instance one. of the things is I always archive a film. print of all my movies because the. digital storage of movies if you ask.

anybody in even in the the business they. don't know whether in 10 years you'll be. able to play a movie that you have now. like whether you physically or what or. how it degrades all those things they. don't know that's crazy and so I'm like. I that's why I make film prints because. I'm like I know that like we keep it. that we keep the film prints in the um. in the um uh in this you know locker and. you can at least pry him out and always.

have it but like I just think it's crazy. that you we don't know we don't know. whether the movies will exist it's a. crazy thing don't worri about it Zach. it's in the cloud yeah it's [ __ ] in. the cloud Cheers Cheers brother thanks. for doing this man yeah I know it's my. that's hilarious it's in the cloud why. are you worried yeah that's a dirty. expression that they should they should. ban that expression they love that. expression though know but it's a dirty. LIE there's no Cloud but it makes people. feel safe cuz it's like it makes them. feel good cuz it's like the cloud is so. reliable and so like and also a thing. you don't need to worry about or.

understand it's also beautiful it's. fluffy it's in a blue sky and all your. info safe in there yay nothing can hurt. it except for everything it's just. horseshit total horseshit it's so crazy. it's on hard drives it's so crazy and if. you had to start from scratch if you. know imagine stumbling upon some ancient. Egyptian hard drives and go okay where. do we even begin you can't play it you. can't play what is this you might you. might be looking at it and you don't. know yeah yeah how is it it encoded uh. what is the equipment I need to connect.

it to in order to it does it play out. loud do I see it what is this do I. experience it in my head it's like when. you show your kid a um vinyl record. right right I showing my kids a vinyl. record and they're like this is. incredible how does it work I'm like. well the needle kind of bounces up and. down on that on those grooves and makes. sound sounds like sounds like a song and. they're like that's how that's an insane. technology I'm like no that's not insane. technology you're iPod or your [ __ ]. phone that's insane technology that's.

that's a thing you can't that doesn't. even you can't explain this to me okay I. can I just explained that to you I love. the fact that I'm in my car and like uh. like my daughter loves Melanie Martinez. so she I'll I have no idea what the song. is tell me what the song is and she'll. tell me what the song is and I can say. play melan Martinez Whatever the song is. and it just it plays it instantly plays. it unbelievable instantly and it's. coming through the speakers and it. sounds amazing there's all this sound.

that is incredible is bananas or you can. say like play Johnny Cash instantly. instantly play Hurt yeah play hurt right. now instantly instantly and it just. starts playing it and you're like oh God. why' I say that yeah why did I say play. Hurt play God's Gonna Cut You. Down what a world that we live. in. [Music].

instantly by the way I was just I was. just listening to that the other day is. it going to get us in trouble with. YouTube is it oh sorry [ __ ] I did. want to show you this picture of Alandra. legs if you humet too well we were so. much better of when we were trapped in. our world wall Garden oh yeah oh yeah we. we got out and now it's now it's over. yeah it's [ __ ] nuts man it's nuts I I. think it's beautiful because I love the. fact that you can tell me about. something and I can get it instantly. like someone could say oh my God you.

have to see that's Sandra's legs oh my. God that's insane he looks like he's. gonna die yeah and he loves that that's. that's particularly ridiculous isn't. that crazy yeah that's awesome that guy. has no body fat zero body fat the guy. said to him the guy at the gym said are. you 8% body fat he goes if I was 8% body. fat I'd kill. myself that's so. ridiculous but that's his thing though. like he literally is like I I'm in space. I'm like a spa you know how like we get.

stuff from the space program you know. like they like we figure out how a razor. works or like get shaving cream that. keeps the hairs from flying that's what. he is to me like he's like I'm I'm up. here on the Ragged Edge so I can come I. could give you this information back. like oh that's an interesting way of. looking at it right like you do learn. health and wellness things from people. that are on the fringes in the. bodybuilding world yeah and he's in his. 60s so it's like you know you're like. okay this guy can have legs like that in. his 60s. so give me some give me give me a little.

give me a little uh you know of the give. me a little of the knowledge and he's. funny too because he's like look I don't. have a family I don't have kids this is. what I do Jesus you know this is what I. dock I just get jacked and I like. research I test my body constantly he's. like on the Ragged edge with every. single like you know like he's always. making these small adjustments he goes I. ate a sesame seed and I saw that I was a. little less ripped you know. what that's so ridiculous you know cuz.

it's like oh he's constantly like you. know like it's like he's on a Razor's. Edge you which which I love you know. people like that are to be super. beneficial to any sort of extreme sport. that's what I'm saying is that like you. can the little that that those little. pieces of information they tell you. about like oh you know like whatever I'm. taking this or like I I thought about. this and I experimented with that and. you're like okay like thanks thanks for. that thanks thanks for being out out. there you know thanks for being the. oxygen mask like up in on the. stratosphere yeah the possessed mad.

genius yeah it's it's they by the way. the world's made of that oh yeah there's. a guy out here in Austin Texas his name. is John Doner he's widely considered to. be the greatest Jiu-Jitsu coach ever oh. really he's here he's a professor uh he. was a professor of philosophy at. Colombia that's cool and uh was spending. time as a bouncer wanted to learn. martial arts got into Jiu-Jitsu and. became a Jiu-Jitsu fanatic to the point. where he's teaching it and sleeping on.

the floors he have for it anyway like it. was like a well he's a very strong guy. he's very strong he played rugby but. rugby destroyed his knee [ __ ] his body. up but which kept him from EV ultimately. competing but he's just a crazy Mad. genius it doesn't give a [ __ ] about. anything but fighting so all he's doing. is like teaching people how to strangle. people during the day and then watching. tape and review reviewing techniques and. creating the next the next uh workout.

schedule and they work out. 365 days a year 365 days a year and his. number one student is Gordon Ryan who's. widely considered to be the greatest. Jiu-Jitsu athlete of all time without. question that's his belt up there the. Abu Dhabi belt when he won Abu Dhabi but. he's his number one student and they. just train 365 days a year they take no. days off Christmas [ __ ] you your. birthday [ __ ] you that's cool it's just. you've got days where you don't train as. hard are you worn out well you're not.

going to train as hard today yeah like. you were saying like yeah like you. understand the but like at that point. you're in the Rhythm you understand your. body you know like okay I'm hurt today I. know how to do this but we're always. learning we're always going to we're not. going to stop learning we're not going. to stop understand that's the one thing. that's crazy about YouTube too is that. this idea that there's a resource you're. not like it used to be to find a. technique or to learn something you have. to go to the guy's house [ __ ] sleep. on porch he's not going to [ __ ] train. you he's going to slap you around like.

whatever we now like these kids today. they could like a lot of their [ __ ] the. basic [ __ ] they they they can they're. like I'm learning this I can learn. something that I had no access too. absolutely zero access I think is. incredible I have a folder on my phone. that's all Jiu-Jitsu moves that I didn't. know existed and I just watched the. Jiu-Jitsu how's he how is he doing that. left leg in oh he went with the right. arm. wow and then I'll I'll send it to my. friend Eddie Bravo who's a jiu-jitsu.

instructor I go is this legit and he. goes I'm gonna try this tonight and then. we'll text each other back and forth so. we're like it's a constant new thing. sure there's the basics put in the. workshop and let's see what happens kid. could be just all you need is a computer. that connects to the internet and a. friend and you can get good at Jiu-Jitsu. yeah it's better to have private. instruction it's better to have a a CO a. coach who you know when you're teaching. your classes you've got to make sure. this AR arm is protected and keep this. here and you have to have the defense. you have to put your hand on the hip if.

you don't have somethingone like that. it's going to take you longer to figure. it out but if you are diligent and. you're really dedicated and you have a. [ __ ] YouTube connection you can get. good at Jiu-Jitsu yeah no us have to go. to the mountain well that's what I mean. like and that's true of a lot that's. true of a lot of things now like I look. I just I had this like recently had this. crazy fortnite Addiction right and I was. like yeah I started play get I started. playing fortnite with my son who was 10. and he was like nah he tapped out. immediately and I was like well you.

should come back cuz I'm just this is. kind of cool so I'm playing and then. like I you know three months later I'm. like what the [ __ ] is the matter with me. my wife is like you got to stop I am. done with this I am done you and I are. the same thing I go I'm so she's like. I'm so done you need another [ __ ]. hobby right like and so she's like I. bought you some clay right oh and so I. started doing some pottery right and. that's where I was like oh YouTube is. insane like cuz I just in like 3 weeks I. had done like all so now she's like.

every every search engine is like hand. build Pottery like glazing firing kils. oh that's cool so yeah so I have much. more productive it's much well by the. way I get something at the end you feel. better I feel so much better the feeling. that you get when you play video games. for 12 hours in a row you feel terrible. feel sick to your stomach it's literally. too like and you have something good. happen you're like yeah like I'm like. [ __ ] yes and my w I look over and my. wife is like in the doorway going like.

what's wrong with you are you serious. you're a grown ass man should you not be. making a movie right now or like writing. something or doing something well it's. important for people to know that even. people who are successful Movie Makers. are still going to get addicted to those. goddamn things they're heroin they're. too good they're so good they're so well. made we had a giant Quake problem and uh. I had a giant Quake problem for years. and I quit and I quit cold turkey when I. realized it was like just I was playing. 8 10 hours a day you can't see the hours. that's what does it when you see the.

hours when you see like a total number. of hours that you've played you're like. okay I'm I yeah what I could have. written a novel I could have done so. much I could have done so much so I. stopped but then when we had a new. studio in Los Angeles we had a big. warehouse and we said let's put a. [ __ ] Lan in here so we put a local. area network and bought some gaming. computers and set it up for Quake and. instantly I was a junkie again. scratching my face I was [ __ ] every. day we were playing three four hours a. day it was nuts it was nuts it's see it.

just gets right into your it's too good. it's too good they're good at it well I. saw like your racing simulat racing. simulator too I haven't even hopped on. that yet for a week the problem with it. is it's too it's like racing yeah it's. like the one thing I did like I I I saw. this the other day where they had the. for one of the F1 guys went against like. some some kid mhm and he beat him and I. was like that makes me happy on the. racing simulator on the racing simulator.

and I was like that made me happy well. only just because you know you want that. skill set you want in your mind that. skill set to translate like you're like. see I was watching this thing on one. drivers like all the different things. that they have to be able to do their. response time is so much faster than. anybody else's they had this thing where. they had the lights and the lights go. off and you have to touch the light when. it goes off and the Formula One race car. drivers were like off the charts oh. really and they all they all have crazy. thick necks Oh Yeah from because it's.

just and also the helmet's not light you. know it's like a serious a [ __ ]. serious piece of weight up there. bouncing your head around and you're. whipping around I'm sure you've seen the. the comparison between a GT3 car and. then a Formula 1 car on the same track. no no it's wild the GT3 car looks. amazing and then the Formula 1 car like. no way that's not real this real time oh. as far as like it being able to stick to. the track where like it's so much faster. so much f it's so much faster and your. the time that you have watch this so on. the left side you have the GT3 cars.

these are so these are just GT3 cars. that's that's the oh the the right is. the GT3 car the left is the Formula One. car look how much faster it's gone yeah. they're [ __ ]. insane I mean they're so fast and the. way they hug I went to the uh Kota the. Formula One race out here yeah it's. insane to see it live to see it live you. really appreciate it like oh my God my. daughter Willow's addicted to Formula 1. she's like I sent her down two years ago.

to it and it was like uh like you know. look at that. see that sound too is. amazing woo yeah like the GT3 they look. like they're not even moving in. comparison yeah it's not even close yeah. and she I sent it out cuz like at the. time Formula 1 was wanting me to we were. going to do a film I was going to do. like a commercial for them you know that. and I was in the middle of pitching them. and they were like oh can we send you. down to Austin to the race and I said. you know I can't cuz I'm in the middle. of this thing but you can send my. daughter and Will was like she had like.

pit access she was like losing her mind. she's calling me every 5 minutes going. like are you insane look at there's. there's like you know Hamilton I can't. believe it's right there I was like okay. calm down don't be a groupy I like I. want you to like she has like a tattoo. of like Formula One like a like a car. yeah she's really into it but W well I. know that Netflix series out here in. America made it way more popular in. America because it didn't make any sense. that it was so popular worldwide but not. you in a place that's most obsessed with. cars yeah makes no sense you feel like. we would just be like drinking the.

Kool-Aid to that so hard well all our. thing is just going around a circle real. quick like our things so silly in. comparison like NASCAR NASCAR is so. silly it's crazy and You' think that. like we would dig like this kind of all. the turns and like the insane technology. it's like feels like it's right on our. wheelhouse and maybe it and and I think. it can be well it turns out it is it's. just got. to it's something like it has something. like a Netflix special has to happen for. it it's like what happened with the UFC. with the Ultimate Fighter the UFC was.

always like crazy exciting but then the. ultimate fighter put it on television. everybody's like wow this is nuts and. you get to like invest in a personality. yes you know that's I think that's in. the end Americans. love that that they want that they want. to hook on to someone and ride them you. know through the whole thing yes yes. yeah that's that's the fun they want to. get connected to that person and root. for them and feel the journey especially. the ultimate fighter was such a. brilliant idea because you get these. guys to live in a house together and. then they're going to beat the [ __ ] out.

of each other and they know they know. they're going to have to fight so. there's all this psychological warfare. going on there's like chest P puffing. and there's so much weird [ __ ] happening. yeah it's by the way it's a great it's a. great show and also because like the. drama if you have fighting and drama. together it's kind of it's kind of like. an amazing combination you can't you. can't look away and it's real fighting. and it's absolutely real fighting yeah. like you know it's not like [ __ ]. around and these guys are Fighters you. know what I mean like that's the thing. it's not like you got a bunch of.

Schmucks and said okay you guys get in a. ring and sort of see what you can see. what happens like these guys suddenly. are like and guys have gone from that. show to become world champions. absolutely which is wild that's cool. yeah and you and you're like oh yeah I. saw them when they were when they were. just like scrapping around the house you. know it's it's cool to see them like. rise like that it's uh it's it's it's it. is it's an amazing show it's it's cool. well there's a few things like that like. Formula 1 racing and and fighting that. it just has to get in front of enough.

eyes it's just we have these things that. we've always like baseball that's always. been around if you brought baseball out. today it doesn't have a chance in hell. no chance zero chance golf no chance I. think golf would still make it well also. because it's a ludicrous concept golf. that's what I love about it's like I and. I you know I'm an okay golfer I've done. a lot of golf commercials my dad's a. scratch golfer he's an amazing golf done. a lot of golf commercials yeah back in. the day you know like cuz when I got out. of college I did like 10 years of of TV. commercials you know H and every day.

like all and I did all I I've done every. all the brands every like I've done a. bunch of Super Bowl spots I did the the. like cdale 911 tribute spot like there's. a lot of all these kind of for me that. were all these like kind of touchdown. but along the way I did like you know. PGA I did Titleist I did like all these. like you know I have a tour bag like in. storage that says like Zack daddy Snider. on it like on my TB yeah so but but like.

the guys like you see these like Inc I. mean they are like Phil mikkelson is. like an. insane like he he does this trick where. you stand with your hands like this you. know and then he's behind you with his. pitching wedge and he takes a full swing. and cuts it if he skulls it it's going. to crack you in the back of the skull. but it goes over your head and lands in. your hands right what it standing right. in front of you I haven't seen The. Landing in hands but this kind of video. goes yeah it's literally this watch he's.

going to do right he's going to do it. like oh my God see look see that yeah. it's like that's I did a spot with Phil. Bro [ __ ] that I did a spot with him. where he I did a spot for him I think it. was it was for um it was um with David. Robinson for um the PGA Tour and he uh. he was sick he had like 100° temperature. and like what it was was basically we. did these these guys are good it was was.

the name of the campaign and it was like. all these football players and like golf. would be it was it was a ludicrous idea. golf would be in these scenarios and. this was basketball it was like one. second left you know up Phil Mickelson. comes in to play this basketball game. they're going to play with a golf ball. and they throw in the ball the ref. throws the golf ball to him and he's he. catches the ball on his on his on the on. the on the on the blade of his pitching. wedge traps it on the ground and then.

hits picks it off the the um the the the. gym floor you know and the ball flies up. and then David Robinson dunks it that. was the commercial so he's sick and he's. like Zack I don't know man oh also we. did a version of it where we had made. the floor out of balsawood so he could. take a divot oh wow and then the PGA was. like well we don't want to look like. it's they were kind of mad cuz they were. like we don't want to look like we're. destroying property I was like come on. guys it's like cool like it's cool that.

he digs the floor up right they can fix. wood yeah it's also not real you know. like you can't you can't actually do. that that's funny they were that Sensi. yeah it was cool they were that. sensitive but like Phil comes out and. he's like Zach sorry man I'm sick like I. don't know like I go well let's just try. you know do what you can and like it'll. only be a couple shots and so he's like. I'll do the best I can so you know I. throw him the ball and he he just like. cuts it in the air and you know like he. he like cuts it in the air and traps it. with his club I'm like holy [ __ ] and.

he's like how's that I'm like how's that. like [ __ ] unbelievable he was like. I'm sorry I'm like I don't know what you. would do different like it's is so crazy. so it's interesting when you see. Wizardry at that level like the. technique and the Perfection of it at. that level it's so incredible you're. like [ __ ] I don't even play golf and I. could appreciate it yeah like John Dy. too like we had I did a spot with John. Daly too and he was like he's he's like. comes out you know and I guess the the. tournament before the one we had done. before the shoot that we did we we we. were doing it in in um Kaminsky Park in.

Chicago right and he was the idea in. that one was like he's you know top of. the ninth two outs down by three Bases. Loaded whatever whatever you know and. pitcher Here Comes John Daly right and. so what we did was so the idea was like. we had this like minor league pitcher. was supposed to throw a pitch and he's. you know we did it with visual effects. he takes the ball of the air so what we. did was we got this super long te right. and we put the ball on it and I was like. John do you think you can can you hit a.

drive with a twoot te like that sounds. crazy he's like [ __ ] no problem but. like when he came out he was mad because. he had picked up his ball like you know. he got fined by the PGA if you pick up. your ball halfway through the tournament. you can't just leave they don't like. that and I guess he was having a bad. round and so he just said [ __ ] it and he. just picked up his ball and walked off. and they were like so they find him and. he was so mad that he got fined and so. he goes he goes I'm going to [ __ ] up. that. Jumbotron and I was like I was like John.

don't I go it that's me I'll have to pay. for it it's not the PGA and then he was. like so he's like oh man I'm so sorry. like okay I won't hit it I didn't know. like I thought you know he's like the. sweetest guy and then he just. like he just cranks this you he's like. our Babe Ruth like he literally I've. done a bunch of spots with him you know. like on his W like on his back swing the. club head is pointing down at the ground.

cuz he's so twisted and then he just. uncoils and it's just unbelievable the. amount of power that the guy and he hits. the ball out of the stadium and it goes. literally we had Pas in the parking lot. and they're like the ball just goes over. their heads and like into the freeway. you know he's just a freaking Jamie do. you have that video that I sent you. recently of that guy this there's this. [ __ ] guy who does this step in move. right sure like the the the the the. happy.

Gilroy well not quite that not quite not. quite that but with technique and it's. perfect and the drive is insane and the. torque is insane again this is coming. from someone who doesn't know jack [ __ ]. about golf look at this kid. Jesus jesz I. mean that is [ __ ] insane the fact. that he can actually with that amount of. back swing the fact that he can actually. hit the ball cleanly is unbelievable is.

he from is that. Chinese I don't know about I don't know. it looks like Japanese to me is it. japanes writing is Japanese is so he's. Japanese isn't it there's a lot of I. mean it's very popular in Japan yeah his. name is. Japanese yeah unb [ __ ] technique is. mad that's so cool let me hear that. again cuz the the sound is awesome. that's where there that could be balls. that do that bro I don't give a [ __ ]. what does.

that look at where it ends the club ends. in front of his face past his face near. his left shoulder so much whip on the. it's amazing that's crazy but yeah it's. fun yeah it was fun actually that time. in my life traveling around and doing. all those TV commercials all over the. world like I had a crew of guys it was. like me and my boys um and we would just. like literally go one job Papa new guini. one job Germany one job Mexico one job.

Iceland like over and we were just on. the road completely out of our minds and. it was just you know and like whatever. product we'd be like okay I'd be. pitching the guys be like what are we. doing next I'm like I I gotta get on the. call like I have an agency and I'd get. on the call in the hotel room and I'd. pitch them and I'd like be out of my. mind I don't know what I'm saying and. I'd come out and they'd be like how'd it. go I I think I got it and they like how'. you did you nail it I was like yeah I. told them it's going to be like low. angles and slow motion and it's [ __ ]. cool and they were like okay cool let's. go and I and it was just this we were.

just in this machine and and and frankly. I learned everything like I spent 10. years you know like the 10,000 hours. thing it literally I spent 10 years with. every. production problem because I was a. Director of Photography I was the DP and. the director and you know we were a. pretty small show you know but we had. giant clients anything you could can. think of so then when I went to make a. movie it wasn't like there was no there.

was no thing I hadn't seene you know it. it wasn't like I stepped on a set like. Oh I'm a firsttime director everyone's. like oh this guy's a first time director. like what's his you know what's he going. to say and I'd be like there there was. like the tools were my tools you know. what I mean like I was very comfortable. with the tool set that I had in front of. me like more so than I probably should. have been you know I remember matly and. who was the DP of Dawn of the Dead that. was my first movie was like halfway.

through the thing he's. like you know you know what you're doing. like you know you know what I mean like. you know what you're doing like he goes. they can't fire you now because like we. were halfway through because like I was. so diligent like on my first move I was. so scared you know Scott stuber who um. was the executive at Netflix who was my. executive on Army of the dead he was the. one that hired me me to do Dawn and I. was so I wanted to do such a like I. wanted to be so conscientious and I was.

so scared of like going over budget and. not nailing it and making sure it was. cool and all that um that like matly and. edti at one point was like look man like. you got to just [ __ ] it you know you. you're it's your make it cool now don't. give a [ __ ] just make it do what you. think and it was such great advice. because I think the movie's Edge and all. the coolness in the movie and the Man. Comes Around and all the like weirdness. the whole like Montage with the Richard.

Cheese song in the middle that was all. just me going all right good thanks Matt. I'm gonna just go and he goes good. because like goes otherwise he goes. you're just GNA make a movie that this. zombie movie is going to disappear you. know unless you [ __ ] add your sauce. yeah go you got to add your sauce cuz he. goes otherwise it's like look another. zombie movie like who cares right like. he goes you he goes I know you know. what's cool well you made it fun and I. think that that was the whole thing for. me it was like how do you make a be. movie that's self-aware that it's a be.

movie right and in that self-awareness. it lets you off the hook to enjoy it. because you can still be smart like you. deconstructed the genre you because like. I've always been fascinated with genre. and the deconstruction of genre like I'm. a genre filmmaker I always say to. everybody like people like what kind of. I'm a genre filmmaker like and that is. to say that like in genre though you can. explore like philosophy you can explore. um mythology especially which is like.

myth is like my main like we make myth. modern myth movies are modern myth. superhero movies are modern myth like is. it not the same when you. say like we have Superman right and. Batman whatever are they not the Mythic. answer to the modern a lot of modern. questions about like how we should live. you know like you say Superman. is he not an like an invention a 20th. century invention that says to us like.

all the [ __ ] [ __ ] that we run up. against whether it be war or like class. struggle or whether it be you know uh. you know inter um relationships between. different. countries does Superman not appear in. answer to us primitive brains trying to. figure out what the where we are like. you make a guy like Superman so he can. answer some of those questions he can. represent a point of view that is not.

helpless in the face of the insanity. that is like you know the the problems. of the 20th century and I think and. Batman in the same way he's an answer to. like Urban what is urban the urban. jungle needs a myth you know just like. the ancient jungle needed a myth or the. ancient you know those all like in those. days we'd say like why is the volcano. erupt. right but now we say cuz we didn't know. you know we just like I guess it's the.

gods are mad you know right and but now. we have now the problem is like why am I. why do I feel helpless in the face of. technology or whatever you know so we. need an answer we need an additional. answer and I think that's what and. that's what I've always and I feel like. genre has allowed me to make those. comments you know MH and I think and it. you know look the funny thing about you. know m what I always find interesting. you know the the the thing that I always. find fascinating about sort of the.

movies I've made and and how they've. landed on pop culture is that like I. remember like in the last article was. like that the it said Zack Snider love. him or hate him right like and I'm like. hate him like what I don't understand. like what it's just it's a movie you. know like it's not I mean you look at. Rebel Moon you're like okay well there's. not a lot it's not it's not it's not. it's not weird enough it's not offensive. enough to hate him for right in my op. people find a reason to hate today oh.

yeah yeah and 99% of those people also. hate themselves that's exactly what's. going on and when people are very. hateful over art you can like it you. don't like it I don't there's a lot of. stuff I don't like I have no issue with. you not liking the movie that's not. that's not the that's not the question. who cares the thing is like you you. personaliz you'd hate me because of like. I don't understand that like I I I don't. you're unreasonably successful that's.

that's what that how they feel and. that's what what happens with people you. you've done so many hit movies like [ __ ]. this guy like people compare themselves. to someone like yourself that's been so. successful and they get angry that's why. you can't read comments yeah I no that's. why you cannot read comment never. comments are you know there essentially. long form comments are what a lot of. articles are it's the same thing that's. exactly what they are it's these people. that are film snobs that get you know. very pretentious about certain aspects. of movie making and decide that their.

way is the only way like listen I like. the Barbie movie okay I found it. enjoyable I went with my daughters and I. had a good mindset I said let me just. enjoy this movie just not be like what. the [ __ ] is this men didn't [ __ ] this. you're [ __ ] I just said it was a fun. movie it didn't offend me it it I I. laughed a bunch of times I thought it. was fun and I went online and saw so. many people angry about that [ __ ].

movie and it was all men yeah and listen. you first you're out of your [ __ ]. mind if you go to a Taylor Swift concert. and you expect to see ACDC you're out of. your [ __ ] mind you're going to a. Taylor Swift concert you know what it is. so if you go to see the Barbie movie you. know what it is why are you. mad yeah no one like were you were you. sh shocked like it's literally Girl doll. yeah what did you think was going to. happen in it also and I by the way I.

love the movie and I'm actually. lampooned in that film there's a line in. the movie that says I feel like I'm like. I feel like I was in a dream where all I. cared about was the Zack SN cut of. Justice League that is a line in that. movie that's hilarious I'm literally and. I'm like that's awesome like I have no I. think that that I was like okay my wife. was like she goes that's cool right like. that's cool they that that that they. came after you I was like it's 100% cool. yeah it's fun yeah it's it was uh it was.

but it's interesting to see when there's. like such a strong reaction to certain. things and especially amongst like. really wild hardcore fans because. there's hardcore like particular me I. know yeah you you f well you also face. it because you you cover. these genres you cover these subjects. that are that are iconic Superman Batman. I mean just those alone no no and by the.

way that's a lifestyle choice for a lot. of people it's not a movie right right. it's not a movie it's like it's not like. if I made a romantic comedy you'd be. like okay that was fun right like I the. people who love and and by the way I. love that they feel this passionately. I'm I'm not in no way would I criticize. that because I feel I live the same life. right because like it's for me it's. morning noon and night but so for those. guys it's not just a movie and so you.

have to on some on some level you have. to acknowledge that the they this is. their religion you know and they feel. strongly about it and by the way the. truth is It's My Religion too you know. so it's a it's a it's a I I tend to get. in trouble because of my I I do take a. deconstructivist point of view because. of Dark Knight Returns because of. Watchmen those if you've read those two. Comics it's hard to go back you know to.

like you you want to and it's because I. care that I want to take him apart like. I want Batman like people are always. like well. Batman I Batman can't kill right so. Batman can't kill is. Canon and I'm like okay the first thing. I want to do when you say. that is I want to see what happens and. they go like well don't put him in a. situation where he has to kill someone. I'm like well that's just like you're. protecting your God in a weird way right.

you're making your God irrelevant if he. can't be in that situation he has to now. deal with that yeah you know if he does. do that what does that mean what do it. what is it what does it tell you but. does he stand up to it can he survive. that right as a as a God as your God can. Batman survive that I never thought that. that was Canon that Batman can't kill. but well for a lot of people it is that. seems ridiculous given the circumstances. in which he operates. well and all the weapons don't read the. comments right now don't read the.

comments yeah this is it seems. ridiculous it's well I mean and you know. there's this huge like there's so in. Dark Knight Returns there's a scene. where and I copied it kind of in Batman. vs Superman where he grabs the M60 he. busts through the wall and he grabs the. n60 and he's like the guy's like in the. comic book he's like got this kid. the the mutant has this kid with a gun. to his head and he's like I'll kill him. I swear I'll do it and Batman says I.

believe you and he shoots a straight in. the head because it's like a no- win. scenario it's like the kobashi Maru of. you know the kobashi Maru is that in. Star Trek it's that test they put Kirk. through where there's a no win right. because they want to see how you'll. react right so they say okay we're going. to make a we're going to make a scenario. a test scenario where you don't win. where there's no way to win and in in. that situation we find out what you. would do in a no- win situation because. if you're going to be the commander of.

this spaceship you have to you're going. to be in situations where you know it's. life or death and especially when. there's no tricking it right there's no. tricking death in this case and the. famous thing with Captain Kirk is he he. went and hacked the machine and made it. so there was a a solution yeah and so. that was his response to the no- win. situation was create a scenario where he. wins which is cool which is a cool. character you know that's a cool. character move but like that's kind of.

how I felt that's what they would say. don't do that to Batman don't put him in. a no- win situation because we don't. want to see him lose like we can't see. him lose he has to maintain this Godlike. status and that's what the cool thing. about Frank Miller Frank Miller said. [ __ ] it I'm going to like I'm going to I. want to see who this guy re like if if a. guy so so you're saying to me that I've. got a gun to this kid's head you're. Batman I'm going to there's no move.

there's no trick there's no throwing the. batang there's no dust ball to distract. me like I I've just got to pull the. trigger and I kill this kid so you're. saying in that scenario Batman what's. Batman supposed to do right right yeah. he's gonna lay down his gun what what's. he going to do like it's the guy says to. him I'll do it I swear it I believe you. is perfect yeah I believe you and I. believe yeah you know so I'm just like. that's where like Frank Deacon takes.

Batman and just tears him in half and. you've got to now come out the other. side of that and Batman is still the. hero Batman. still does the right thing he maintains. his code his eth he doesn't change but. like our perception of him changes and I. think that's like a that's the I I and I. have run a fowl of. but but a lot of the fandom who have I. feel like who have like gotten to the. same place I have with the characters.

where they need to test them to like and. I feel like the characters it's been my. experience that the characters have not. let us down like these myths have not. let us down they have they've M they. they you put them to the Ragged Edge. into that scenario and they come out the. other side and you're like [ __ ] yeah. there's a reason why Superman is. Superman you know what I mean there's a. re like he can handle it he can [ __ ]. take it because he's so iconic like you. see like the red ass you go anywhere in. the world with that Superman t-shirt on.

anywhere and you say to any kid like. what's this oh that's Superman yeah. exactly like you know that means. something that's like [ __ ] cool well. not only that it's one of our first ever. superheroes literally yeah I mean just. think of the name it's so unoriginal. Superman it's the most you couldn't. think of that today that's not. ridiculous you can't do I know if you. tried to come up with a Superman today. everybody shut the fu that's your guy. you know come on man we've got so many.

different interesting character that's. why the Trinity Superman Batman Wonder. Woman are so powerful because they're. literally obviously the origin concept. right Wonder Woman literally yeah Batman. Batman is the only anomaly because he's. like a Batman like what does that mean. what does it he doesn't even have powers. yeah he's just like a he's half bad like. what is that he just got a lot of money. yeah he's got a lot of money yeah that. was like my favorite thing we did in uh. in um in Justice League where Bruce says. that line about like when when flash.

says like what's your power and he's. like I'm. rich I always thought that was cool kind. of crazy that no one decided to uh. genetically experiment on a Batman like. make make a Batman yeah for another. another version of Batman like T take a. guy and hit him with some Wolverine. juice or whatever the [ __ ] and just turn. him into a superhero yeah instead of. have him just be a rich guy give him. some crazy genetic mutation some that.

they do to him that turns him into. something but I think that and that is. the thing I mean not to that extent but. that's the thing that Frank does and. that's the reason why I wanted Affleck. because like to me Batman's a big dude. right a like 6'4 you know he's like a. legit big dude and you know like in the. shoes the shoes the boots are like 2 in. so like he's literally almost like you. know six in the in the costume like when. he comes out in the costume with that. little bit of I mean he would put a. muscle on him and then there's a muscle. suit under the suit and he's like it's a.

he's like legitimately a scary looking. thing you know he's just like standing. there and you're like holy [ __ ] like. dude the chin is so insane in that cowl. you know he yeah I mean look at him he's. like you know he's I took that picture. by the way um you know he's like. legitimately like that's Batman to me I. mean I I don't know like what you know. Christian Bale was a great Batman he's a. great Batman but he's still like you. know you know 510 you know it's it's.

it's cool I mean not to be I'm not mean. something I'm not being rude about. Batman Giant in the comic books in in. some of the like in in Dark Knight. Returns and in in Frank's comics and. like you know in the classics he's. pretty big dude you know he's always. been pretty th and Dark Knight Returns. if you look at Dark Knight Returns you. know like he's there's a line like where. he's trying to hold someone's gun and. his finger can't get in the trigger. guard cuz he's so big you know like like. where he's like you know I I like things.

like that like where you're just like. he's like he has. this this genetic like gift of just. being this big [ __ ] dude and other. than that you know his parents were. murdered in front of him and he's also. like a billionaire so like that that. weird like you you want it to not be. just one of those things right right you. it needs to be all of them in order for. him to really to do what he can do but. if somebody really wanted to [ __ ] around. with the genre today if he had all that.

money wouldn't he invest in some wild. genetic engineering that turns him into. an actual superhero yeah so it's F Well. I I think that that that's the real. that's the fans are pulling their hair. yeah like they don't. like are steroids steroids not just. steroids you wish it was steroids I'm. talking something way crazier well it's. funny because like I did that scene like. there's that scene I think it's I don't. think it's in the it might be in the. theatrical but it's definitely in the. director's cut where like he's wakes up.

and there's some chick in the bed with. him that from the night before because. like I always say like you know Batman. [ __ ] to forget for sure you know. Batman's a drunk for sure you know. because like he has huge trauma right. like and I think that like you know you. wonder why he's a Playboy cuz like you. know like anybody like that's a common. you know [ __ ] forget is a common. that's a real thing that's a way to deal. with drama you know and I think that. like I that there's that bit he like. wakes up and there's like just. painkillers on his bedside table and he. just like pops them and drinks some wine. I'm just like you know to me that's.

that's like that's like B that's Batman. you know like he's you know he's got his. he's got a maple Thor above the bed he's. got his glass house and he's just like. he has a he has an aesthetic that's like. clean but like that's all he does that's. like his life you know like he the thing. about Batman the modern versions of. Batman the Miller Batman you're Batman's. the this what what what's interesting is. that now superheroes are these flawed.

like. very very distressed characters sure. sure like the Watchman is a the best. example they're all Watchman is all. trauma it's it's all trauma and it's. they're all crazy they're completely. crazy and it's it's such a good move why. the [ __ ] was there never a Watchman too. well because you know frankly the comic. book doesn't exist for me that's why. there wasn't I I I just was like the. thing that's awesome about also that the. it's one of those things like when you. start to really you know look at like.

Night Owl not being able to get it up. because he's not he's not in his costume. like that's just a cool to me that's. just like a that's like pure that's like. that's boiling down superhero to its. [ __ ] purest thing I don't get turned. on unless I like I got to go out [ __ ]. save some people do some crime fighting. and now I'm [ __ ] ready to go yeah. like that that to me was like that's. that's that was like that that that as a. superhero movie as a concept took a long.

time to like like land with the boys or. like these other kind of superheroes. where now it's cool to deconstruct. superheroes it's kind of fun everyone's. having a good time with it and I was. doing it whatever almost you know 15. years ago and you know it just I I just. don't think superheroes were as deep in. the culture as they are now where like. all those things would land you know. like all that deconstructive kind of. work that we were doing at the time was. really in reference to comic books not.

comic book movies because Watchmen was. written you know in response to the. comic book industry not necessarily. comic book movies didn't exist when the. when the book was written right you know. so it's a very much you know Alan Moore. was very much obsessed with the morality. of Comic Book Heroes with in comic books. and so and he he just took an adult look. at it you know he's a smart geni he's a. [ __ ] pure genius well that was a.

thing that people figured out along the. way with graphic novels as well was that. comic books aren't just a thing that. children like you know I I was a giant. comic book fanatic when I was a kid and. I wanted to be a comic book illustrator. that's what I wanted to do oh that's. awesome and I had one bad high school. art teacher and it ruined it for me. [ __ ] guy [ __ ] guy he he ruined it. for my friend John D'Or who was the most. talented guy in the class when I found. out that he gave him an F I was like are. you out of your [ __ ] mind this guy. was so talented wow he was like I was.

pretty good and he was quite a bit. better than me and then there was this. other guy named Kevin who was in our. class who was also like really good and. all of us wanted to be comic book. artists and uh I was really into the. more adult versions of it like there was. some amazing like horror genre comic. books back in the day like creep. and Eerie that have these incredible. like fretta covers on the have you ever. seen creepy and Eerie sure of course.

yeah God I love those things I'll tell. you my sorry go ahead finish your uh no. no go but you want oh so what I was. going to say was that like I was. obsessed with um growing up this comic. book called heavy metal yes which and. heavy metal is like my thing basically. what happened was my mom I had bought I. was like 133 or whatever and I B maybe. 12 even I'd bought a copy of heavy metal. whoever sold it to me because you know. it says adult Illustrated fantasy. magazine right underneath like in kind.

of small letters but it's there right I. would cover it with my thumb when my mom. was around um but she one Christmas like. got me a subscription to heavy metal did. she know she didn't know she just. thought it was a cool comic book right. and I didn't say anything of course and. that. really that comic book and I and when. you see the R-rated version of Rebel. moon when it comes out um because. basically the deal I made with Netflix. was they said I wrote this script and I.

said this is the script I want to make. and they said that is insane and I said. yeah but it's like it's a heavy it's. like heavy metal but like a but like in. you know live action yeah and they were. like yeah is there any way it could be. PG-13 and I was like well if it's PG-13. it kind of misses the whole point a. little bit but I can imagine that you. know for a mass audience and for like. you know. viewership that seems like it's a smart. way to go I go what about this what if. we make if I make take this script I.

make you a PG-13 version that you can. just blast into the world and hopefully. as many people see it as possible and. then you let me as a bonus you just let. me make this version exactly as I think. and they were like okay that sounds cool. so coming at the end of the summer. you'll see my two three-hour versions of. Rebel Moon that are like hard. R-rated the hardest what you wanted to. do which I exactly wanted to do so they.

said yeah go do that and so they they. were able because normally when I do. this director's Cuts you know which is a. thing now I'm weirdly famous for the. director's Cuts were always an answer to. a thing that the studio Made Me Do Right. like here's my movie they're like yeah. we really want you to cut these parts. out cuz they're not cool they're like. the movie's too long or the movie's too. violent or whatever and I would be like. wow really cuz I really think that's.

kind of the why of the movie and they be. like no it's really important focus. groups told us that they don't like that. so take it out so I take it out but then. I'd go like you know I'd go over to home. video right across the street and I'd be. like hey guys you want another movie to. release because I got the [ __ ] and. they'd be like absolutely whatever you. say because you know at that time there. was a huge market for directors it gave. him a second kick at the can in home. video right so they would be like that's. so cool we get a whole other movie to.

Market that like never before seen. footage you know it just feels like a. cool thing and so that was how I've. always done my directors cut always as a. response to what the studio was telling. me couldn't be in the movie cuz I I. never planned I would always go into it. like brigh eyed like oh everyone's going. to love this incl you know the studio. when when you see my cut you're going to. think it's amazing amazing and they. would like look at it and go like bro. like that's no like this too much and so. that's what that's where my director's.

Cuts kind of as a just as a practice. were born you know was it was born out. of that me needing to show the world. what I intended originally and so you. know by the time now that I've got to. Netflix with this Rebel Moon movie and. my sort of the myology around my. director's Cuts was kind of a thing. especially with Justice League as you. can imagine um they were like you know. what why don't we do a director's cut as.

part of the process rather than as a. response to it and I was like that's. really smart like that's really cool. because in a lot of ways I totally get. the economics of making a PG-13 version. of this insane genre movie because what. I'm asking you know from a budgetary. standpoint is high for like a boutique. Space movie that's like you know a heavy. metal comic you know that's like a. people who love that will love it more.

than anything else right if if I if I. can land that they'll think it's the. coolest thing ever but like for a mass. audience it might not be exactly what. you would imagine so I'm like I can do. both and that's kind of what and that's. kind of where I and that's why when you. see the R-rated version of of Rebel Moon. you're going to be like [ __ ] this is. this is heavy metal I come to life is. really what is and that's kind of what I. really wanted to do that's that was the. thesis of my whole like me get being. turned on by this sci-fi because like.

the thing you can do I feel like the. thing that you can do with um with that. format was you could really deconstruct. sci-fi like we always talk about like I. said this at the director's GI like when. Luke Skywalker walks into the Cantina. and like is confronted by walrus man. like is that sexual like is that is he. like he's [ __ ] with Luke Luke's like. some Farm Boy in this bar in this rough. bar like what's going to happen to Luke. right like that's a conversation you.

cannot have right in star in the context. of Star Wars right right there's no. chance that's not gonna but like in in. heavy metal that's real yeah that that. threat is real yeah you know and it's. not and it's not anything other than. like a naive farm boy walking in to like. a gritty City. Bar that he doesn't know what the [ __ ]. he has no he's out of his element other. than that he's our hero right and he's.

got to go through a crucible and he's. got to learn you know he's got to like. these are the like Joseph campbellan. parts of his journey so anyway but that. and that's kind of what it's cool. because you know I I've always been like. the hugest fan of heavy metal I think. it's like the [ __ ] cool it was the. coolest thing heavy metal was amazing. it's like it always like made me it kind. of broke broke me for Comics a little. bit because you know it was always like. super sexy and super violent and so. you'd get a normal comic and be like uh. when are they going to start [ __ ] cuz.

you know it's yeah it was always sexual. and there there was one that I remember. that I remember was like very stunning. to me very shocking when I was a kid and. it was a a pretty sure it was Heavy. Metal but it was a it was one of those. genres where it was a guy and his wife. started a relationship with a robot oh. yeah cool and he tried to like fight off. the robot and the robot broke his arm. with his big dick hanging out like the. robot had like this big giant flaccid. dick and he broke the guy's arm it was.

like smiling at him and it was just like. Jesus Christ sounds amazing it was. amazing but it was also like indicative. of that that genre that those days like. this is the 70s right the 70s when they. first started publishing that yeah all. all that was on the raged Edge which was. so and was so underground and so cult. and so weird that's what I loved about. it and that's what I wanted to do with. the movie it's like say what Does The. Cult Underground raw sci-fi movie look. like you know so is it hard to do the. pg-3 version very it was very hard it.

was really conflicted like what does it. feel it was super conflicted although. the only thing I will say is that I was. liberated by the fact that I knew the. R-rated version exists so there was in. the other versions of of this work in. the other director's Cuts there was a. version where that director's cut never. was seen there's a very good chance that. that movie never got saw the light of. day because where would you show it. right in the old world in the movie days.

right all you had was DVD as your option. and if DVD said yeah we're good with. like just the normal version then that. would have been it and it would just die. a death and you would whatever you. intended for the movie would just never. be seen and that's just how it was and. so this in this scenario I was like. super grateful to Netflix because I was. like you guys have like done a thing. that I've never been able to do my. entire career and that is like know that. this version of the movie exists and. it's going to be seen so I'm happy to do.

whatever we whatever you guys think is. right for the PG-13 I'm like I'm a good. soldier and I I'm proud of it and I love. it but yes it is different from like. what I you know was what if the r. version is it nc7 or R is do they do. nc7 it's uh I won't say the rating uh. we're waiting to see we're still like up. against it but we're trying to get it uh. it it it it's tbma right now what does.

that mean I don't know no one does. mature audiences yeah you know like any. TV show that's not because like in TV. the cool thing about TV is they have. um TV 14 and then it goes to tvma tvma. literally has no top on it you know like. you can I think it's like almost like. porn is. tvma I don't know what I I I look no one. understands the ratings no one does it's. an alchemy that is impossible to know. it's all subjective it's all subjective.

and bizarre and so you know and they. also it's genre related right so like. say for instance the ratings board might. say something like um. well this is a sci-fi movie so it's it's. it's too much but if it was a horror. movie it'd be fine but it's a sci-fi. movie so it's not fine or it's a super. movie that was the whole thing with. Batman versus Superman I remember the. ratings board said we just don't like. the idea of Batman fighting Superman I. was like what is that like but what how.

is that your opinion like how is that. that has nothing to do with the rating. the ratings didn't like that yeah they. kept saying like we want they kept. making it an R they kept coming back. with an R for us and we were like we. really what do you want us to cut out. and they were like well we just don't. like the idea of Batman fighting. Superman I like I can't take that out. that's the movie that's so ridiculous. they would have that kind of power so it. was crazy so we really had to trim it. super super it it it's do you think that. affected the final version I mean if you. see the director's cut of Batman vers. Superman it's much better it's a much.

better movie in my opinion it's much. better movie well it's representative of. what you actually wanted to create yeah. and I think that that that's that's true. of all the director's cuts that I've. done is that it's just a glimpse into. the why that you get to see better the. why of the movie The why of its origin. what it how it cuz like obviously. something kept me awake for two years. writing something kept me jazzed about. like [ __ ] yeah I can't wait to do this. I'm drawing I draw for Rebel moon like I. drew 3,000 storyboards for that movie.

like that is like a lot of work you know. a lot work to like you know to you got. to care that's five months of drawing. after I've written the script wow so. I've written the script for a year and a. half and then I draw the movie for like. another five months wow it's [ __ ]. insane oh my God you must have been. going nuts yeah it's must been missing. fortnite yeah yeah that was before. fortnite if I had by the way it's a good. thing I didn't have fortnite because I. would have like it would have ruined. everything the problem with writing and. with for me drawing is if I have one.

procrastination I can do one yeah I'll. take it yeah cuz like if I look at that. blank. pad and I look at the video controller. video game controller I'm like oh yeah. this is way more satisfying than that. thing wants to [ __ ] me up that pad is. trying to [ __ ] me up the thing about the. the delay satisfaction though is that if. you could force yourself to get to the. pad when you're done you'll feel good. and if you play the video game you'll.

feel last night I started [ __ ] around. in my office I was just watching YouTube. videos and looking at pool cues and then. I said all right go to work and I. snapped and I went to work and I worked. for a couple hours and when it was done. when I went to bed I felt great awesome. I felt like I did it I did something the. feeling of doing something is so much. better than the feeling that you have to. carry for hours of [ __ ] off when you. knew you were supposed to do something. 100% I I couldn't agree more and and by.

the way and in the end I did it I did. that work and I show like when you know. it it when we went to film the movie and. I've always drawn the storyboards for my. movies it's like it's it's it's a. problem but it's it's a thing that I do. it's my only process it's funny CU When. I made soccer punch I. remember we were talking about it and uh. I think it was my script supervisor she. said one day you're going to like not. need to draw these drawings and you're. just going to you know you're not going. to need to spend that time and it's just.

funny that like in retrospect it's like. obviously I have to draw the drawings. like it it's like let like that's my. process now I realize there's no way. around it there's no like you want a. cheat you know like I wish I had a cheat. where I didn't have to draw the drawings. where I'd be like oh no it's going to be. fine I I think I can make it up on the. day and it'll be good and I do make it. up on the day but the truth is that. process of drawing is the process that I. I vet a lot of the ideas in that drawing. it's not just drawing it's writing as.

well I'll change the script I'll do. whatever I'll be like no no because that. doesn't make sense look when I see it. physically I'm like no you can't that. doesn't work so I have to re sort of. construct it in the drawings a little. bit sometimes when did you start doing. that I started doing it um I did it. throughout I did it 300 um did you learn. it from someone I know I'd always drawn. like I I draw and like you know I'd gone. to schools for Fine Art so I was always. drawing shots and soort it's also a.

thing like in film school or when you're. trying to think of something movies take. so much resource right you need like to. make a movie you're like basically an. architect and you have to convince. someone to build a building right and. it's so much work to convince people. like to invest to dig the get all the. cranes and the steel it's like. impossible so drawing is like a little. taste of it right so like I can make.

these are the shots I want to make right. so in a weird way it's like it's it's. it's it's drawing that beautiful sketch. of the building in a lot of ways that's. what it's going to be you know so you. can get a feeling for it and I think. that's what it does for me it satisfies. the The Impossible group activity that's. going to require me to. like convince people maybe that's why I. love Fountain Head you know like it's. it's like that it's that process of.

like getting people to like believe in. this thing that it's going to take. resources and like so much crew and. building and designing and all that. other work that's down the road it's the. it's the drawing that I think is a. little bit of a it's it satiates that. desire a little bit for me it gives them. a framework too there's like there's. something oh it's hugely beneficial in. the production process once they have.

that everyone knows exactly what to do. you know it's incredible tool once I. have it did you do it for Watchmen 100%. my Watchmen books are insane did you. draw Dr Manhattan's dick of course. that's the question yeah here's the. question could you make that movie today. I don't know would they allow I mean. that like that's what's interesting. someone once gave me a statistic of how. much time Dr Manhattan's [ __ ] is in the. movie like just full frontally in the. film and I think it's a fair amount like.

it's I think it's the I think it's the. only Studio film it holds the record for. most frontal nudity male frontal nudity. of any you know and it's kind of. important it's super important like he. doesn't give a [ __ ] he doesn't give a. [ __ ] obviously yeah like he walks around. like that he's a god he's a god like. what the [ __ ] you can't deal with it get. the f I'll [ __ ] vaporize you or I. don't even care what you think you're. you're a you're a cockroach it's like. what does he say he goes he goes the. world's smartest man is no more.

dangerous to me than the smartest. termite like it's like such a cool thing. to say like you know like he's he. doesn't like you know what I mean it's. like you really realize in the face of a. god like he does I've walked across the. surface of the Sun you know he's like I. don't no he was the coolest he's the. best he's the coolest and the. transformation scene is [ __ ] amazing. by the way that one of my we were just. about the other day like one of my. favorite sequences in any movie I've. made is his the the birth sequence of Dr. man the whole thing with the Philip.

because we it's Philip Glass did the. music right we borrowed the music. because I had heard that music and I was. like it's got to be this music and we. tried to like Tyler Bates who's an. amazing composer he tried we try I go. write me something that's better than. this and we just couldn't do it so we. just had to license it from and I had to. send Philip glasses sequence and he. watched and he said okay it's cool. you can have the music that's so cool. yeah because it's like you. know it's just so it's just so this play. this it's just so rad I love this.

[ __ ] scene here he this that's Phil. class this. music when he knows he's. [ __ ] we built this giant oversized. watch for those. shots that's good yeah that's that Phil. of glass so good that music is crazy. that [ __ ] birth scene insane so good. it's so insane it's so good the skeleton. in the hallway with the muscles. screaming oh my God I remember shooting. that exactly like because if it was. yesterday yeah we had this air cannon we.

had to fire at that guy with the mop you. know because he when. he he like gets hit with it he was like. overacting I think we did like three. takes I was like guys just the first. time he like flew on the ground I was. like okay it's too much it's good fun. yeah that's really cool it's interesting. because like um you know we I think one. of the things that we after Justice. League I think one of the things that we. we really as a as a group as a family. anyway you know because I lost my.

daughter over that um you know she once. my you know on the at the post side of. Justice League my I lost my daughter to. suicide and you know I left the movie. famously and then the movie went on and. then later we were able to like you know. finish the movie sort of in in the way. that we we had always hoped um and I. think the thing is that like the thing. that I kind of sort of come back to when.

I look at that and when I look at the. the movies is like you know we there're. these markers you know the movies are. really these markers of time that we. even though they sort of transcend time. weirdly you know they they exist beyond. the time they were recorded you know. these weird like they they're in the. computer as sort of these singular like. little you press it but then it runs and. it's real and it's time and it takes. time to enjoy it and time to like you. can't just say it you have to watch it.

and feel it again you know it's like a. cool it's a weird thing in that way and. I and I think that like it just the. thing that you hope is that in the end. you know the markers meant something to. people you know and I think that that's. we've really fought around because a lot. of these mental health has been a big. thing for my wife and I you know since. losing my daughter and we've always. tried we've tried the best we can to. like support the fans have done. incredible like the fans have raised.

like Millions Mill over million dollars. just to support you know um afsp which. is a you know suicide you know against. suicide in in America Foundation um and. we've been like just it's been cool that. the movies these moments have like now. in retrospect have like a purpose you. know and that they have like that the. fans have gotten this opportunity to. kind of like you know join with us and. kind of like be with us to like you know.

and you know this because it's a huge. stigma you know like people nobody wants. to talk about like that they're having. trouble you know that they're you know. that they're not okay and I think that. what we've been trying to do lately as. much as we can is like say like no it's. good like you know just. it's okay you know like it's not a sign. of weakness it's nothing it's just it's. real you know part of Being Human it's. kind of 100% part of being human and I.

think that it was a you know we've all. it's an easy thing to kind. of say that you. know it's just stress or I just like I'm. you know I'm good I'm not depressed I'm. fine you know and it's an easy thing to. just try and muscle through right where. like you know I think that uh you know. it's my Hope anyway that like as a. family that you know the movies and our. connection to the fans and our.

connection to like that cause has been. really really deep and and just watching. this actually just it started me. thinking about like what the movies mean. you know like how their what is their. legacy you know what do they and if they. can. do on one on one hand they are the. moments you see for me Dr Manhattan. leonitis whatever it is you know um but. then on the other hand there they can be.

they there's this other narrative. outside of the stories you know like the. what was what I was experiencing and. what made me think of it just like what. what I was going through at that on that. day when we filmed it like what I was. struggling with what I was trying to. deal with you know is is real that's. hard stuff you know that's just that was. just life being Lumpy for us you know. just trying to make a movie living in. Canada being away from the kids just all. that all that struggle and um and then. it's cool when you know it's been cool.

for me that when the fandom and the. movie like in the case of Justice League. they lined up you know where these these. these people were like no we're not. going to we we want we there's a movie. out there that we want to see and it's. it's it's a round of struggle that we. had as a family and all of it sort of. came together I always say like you know. people are like you know the fandom was. toxic or whatever they were like they. were so angry to get the cut that they. were like I go also also they literally.

people's lives were saved by the money. that those kids raised like literal like. Lives real tangible lives were saved by. that money that that those kids that you. call that you would say are these toxic. fans they're also responsible for the. saving of lives and that's just real you. have to acknowledge it because if you. don't like you you you in some ways the. Legacy that they were able to create is.

like dismissed and I just I I won't I I. I can't well that's just a reductionist. view of things that people always like. to apply the things that are. controversial especially when they're. talking about your fans and saying. something like they're toxic that's such. a dismissive thing no there's going to. be some elements of any passionate rap. fans that are going to be toxic because. it means so much to them and that's what. you have to understand the reason why. they're behaving the way they're. behaving the reason why they're. screaming is first of all they don't. think they're being heard and second of.

all it means everything to them these. people that are like deeply invested in. your films and in particular like things. that have like this sort of iconic. history like the Watchmen or like Batman. I mean these are very important things. to people it's the same way people are. fanatical about sports teams the same. way they're fanatical about you know. music it's Tribal you know it's Tribal. very very tribal so for you when you. have vision and you have these.

storyboards and you have all this stuff. that you and then you see something like. in my opinion that birth scene is one of. the great masterpieces of that genre. it's a masterpiece it's like watching. him be born and become Dr Manhattan is. [ __ ] amazing it's I remember being in. the movie theater watching going oh [ __ ]. it was the perfect feeling it's like. what you want from these fantasy. escapism graphic novel turn films it was.

perfect yeah it's cool and even just. like watching it in like you know the. comment like I never said that that that. that the Superman was real and he's. American I said that God was real and. he's American and if that doesn't give. you like religious like fear then like. you're not then you're just not human. like you got to like it's okay it's okay. to be scared right cuz it's [ __ ]. scary yeah he's real yeah it's a scary. thing it's a very scary thing but it's. it's all it's cool but when you have. these ideas and you have all this work.

and then it comes together I mean that's. got to be insanely satisfying to. watching a scene like that it is it's a. cool like I guess for me you know like. that the process of like putting it. together and then like when you when it. literally lands and you and it's what. you drew and it's what you thought and. the music and everything like lands it. really it is there is a like I mean I'm. sure it's like anything it's probably. like the same thing like doing standup. or whatever like when you when like it. all when you're grooving when you're in.

the groove with it and it's just. happening you're kind of Surfing it and. you're like God this is the this is the. feeling right here right like you can't. acknowledge it in the moment but you can. feel it it can push you you know like. it's like a wave you know and you can. feel it it's the that's how it is you. know for me it's it's such a long. process you know it's it's not instant. gratification you know it's a very. it's like you really have to have like a. head down mentality to get it to that. position because you know but I I do. when I watch it that first time and it.

comes back and I'm like yeah that's. that's like [ __ ] that's that's what. we that's the why of it right there you. know and I think that that that keeps me. going frankly you know that little that. little high is is really it's really fun. well that's the goal right the goal is. to create that and that High people. leave a film like that that's like. there's you'll do things that you. wouldn't have ordinarily do like you'll. you'll maybe you you'll be inspired. maybe you'll start working on something. maybe there's certain things I that I.

think that's the the beauty of Creation. in a lot of ways it's it's not just. escapism but it gives you it's like a. drug it gives you this like boost of. excitement that often leads to. inspiration to inspires you to action. makes people do things 100% % I I feel. like that that if you can do that then. your movie is like yeah it's a huge. success if one guy comes up to me like. the thing about Man of Steel that I that. I've always that I felt like is that man.

of steel is the movie that the people. will come up to me and say like that. movie changed my life like that movie. like you know like I thought it was. about me you know like I'm an immigrant. like I just saw myself in in Superman. it's like really like you know I was. struggling at the time and when I saw it. I like and I just be like man that's so. cool like I'm I'm so grateful that like. you know you felt that way about the. movie cuz like I don't you know like for. me it's like I send it off into the.

world you think about like Netflix for. instance where like you push a button. and like you know Rebel moon. right the zeist is crazy because like. Rebel Moon so say right now there's like. it's like almost 90 million views right. 80 90 million people 90 million starts. so or 90 million accounts said turned it. on okay give or. take they assume two viewers per.

screening right that's the kind of right. math so you think if that movie was in. the theater as a distribution model so. that's 160. million uh account or people supposedly. watching based on that math so 160. million people at $10 a ticket would be. what what is that math I don't know 160. 160 million times 10 that's 1.6.

billion you know so like you look at the. view numbers he sort of you can use that. rough you know so more people probably. saw Rebel Moon than saw Barbie in the. theater right that's how crazy Netflix. that's how that's how that's the. distribution model that they've set up. you know I always like I was at this. thing the other day and we were talking. about Rebel Moon 2 and I said and they. were like well talk about Rebel Moon one. I'm like no like go [ __ ] watch it I. know you have it at your house like.

don't like it's not like a theater. situation you could like turn it on your. phone right now and watch it like right. here if you wanted to like that's how. crazy it is I'm like you know like that. it's so this model that this machine. they built is really something else it's. really crazy if you think about just. like we were saying about the Formula. One like they're able to like insert. something into popular culture that's so. like a deep cut like a documentary about. Formula 1 how else do you get that to.

the people right no way no way no way. you You released that in the theater. five people go yeah you know literally. five people go yeah put it on TV and. like a 100 million people see it yeah. that's crazy it's strange it's. interesting because it shows that there. was an audience there it's just like to. get some to go out of their house and. buy a ticket that's just too much of a. tough sell it's a different model it's a. different model and it's weird how they. think about it when you think about it. in those terms that you give the.

audience. a a an. alternative like you give them a chance. to like go on this you know like Rebel. Moon's like okay that's new IP right no. one knows what the [ __ ] that is what's a. rebel Moon some space thing I guess like. okay. well let's watch it you know it's that. the barrier for entry is so low right. that it allows I think what's cool is it. allows a lot more original and weirdo.

stuff to exist because you know. especially like you think about the. director's cut of rubble Moon which will. be if it was in. theaters a very Boutique concept right a. very singular it's like the animated. version of of heavy metal like you know. I I the movie I'm like you know I'm a. huge fan but like not a lot of people. seen it where I feel like this is a. chance where like when this movie is. released the amount of people that can. lay eyes on it is crazy compared to what.

it would be you know in another if I was. releasing it say theatrically or. whatever you know it's a three-hour. movie both of them are three hours so. it's much different like both the um the. pg13s are two hours right that was one. of the things that we talked about also. like I want the movie short PG right. that's the that's kind of the. prerequisite where I'm like on the on. the RR version it's like there's no. rules like it's it's like no no there's. no there's no expectations no rules no.

nothing like you get that's that. experience is a completely different. experience and when does that one come. out it comes at the end of summer the. end of summer I want I want enough time. yeah probably right in there I want we. don't have an exact date but like some. somewhere I wanted enough time so. that I didn't want them be I don't want. them to be too attach to the PG version. cuz I love the by the way like I said. I'm proud of the PG version I think it's. fun I think when you see Rebel Moon 2 on. April 19th you will see a very a war.

movie it's a [ __ ] war movie is what. it is like cuz like the first thing is. like gather the. team second movie is a war movie The Dr. rated version is just a different. Journey like you just get there in a. different way and it's just more like I. said it's just more weird it's more. Boutique and more bizarre and more like. the original more like heavy metal heavy. metal yeah the original genre yeah yeah. more like a genre you could you can't. really pitch a.

studio a liveaction Heavy Metal movie. right now it's just not a I don't know. how to do that I don't know how you'd. make that you know unless you are. willing to do some sort of song and. dance you know which is which I'm I I I. think that as a product like I said I'm. proud of it and I think it works. for what they've generated because like. basically for the same price as two. movies right they get four movies which. is a pretty that's pretty crazy you know.

because the director's cuts for what for. the hour additional hour and extra stuff. that we did inside of each of those. movies each of the movies is an hour. longer what we did inside those movies. with tone and with Gore and sex and all. that stuff within the same framework. you're getting two entirely different. movies it's not like extended version. you know like that I that I'd be like. okay whatever you know like oh you did. an extra like weird little here's the.

thing you cut out that you thought was. too long mhm it's not like that at all. like you know it's just a lot more I. don't know it's just true to the vision. yeah it's got balls it's got a lot of. balls and is that I mean that's got to. be this thing where you're waiting like. wait wait wait wait wait I want you to. see the real thing I don't think you. know it's a weird thing because I I. don't think I mean look it's a it's a. it's an it's up to the viewers you know. in a lot of ways I don't want to like by.

no means am I saying that you can't. watch both for sure you can it's a it's. really uh it's really how you do it I. feel like if you've seen PG-13 Rebel. Moon part one you should see PG 13 part. two because they're really closely. related I mean they're like it's a. direct you know like you it's it could. be one you could cut them together. literally and just keep going where. where it's chapter two it's part two. it's like a where I feel like the in the. RR experience it's just like a different. they're both going to release on the.

same day so you can just [ __ ] binge. it yeah that's the way to do it too with. Netflix yeah one of the things I love. about Netflix is why I don't find out. about something until like two or three. seasons in I'm like yes yes 100% I can. yes exactly 17 episodes it's the same. muscle that made me play fortnite for. like. yeah well if you if you have the time. and a good series is bingeable God so. satisfying it's so satisfying I think we. could do another that's what I always. say to my wife I'm like how do you feel.

and she's like I feel good are you. sleepy no let's go have you ever thought. about doing like a Netflix series like. something that's so big that you. couldn't do in one or two films yeah. yeah we've talked about it a lot like um. I mean nobody wants Fountain Head but. that's what I wanted to do you know I. pitched them Fountain Head because like. I'm a you know I'm a I've written this. super adaptation of the of that book and. um I just think it's I I think it would. be amazing but you know no one wants to. make it because they think it's like you.

know it's it's taboo IR ran is taboo. well why is she taboo I don't know she's. taboo among the intelligencia because. like they think she's a fascist and they. think the book's a fascist propaganda. piece of f fascist propaganda I I that's. not why I like the book I I'm like look. you know I I happen to dislike it. because it it's a to me it's a direct. comment on making a movie right it's a. movie about an architect who won't make. the buildings that everyone wants him to.

make and like what the struggle he goes. through to get the buildings made the. way he wants to make. them of course I like that you know like. no movie director I I I'm sure there's. plenty of movie directors that don't. like Fountain Head. but I just think that it it it just has. it says so much Ian ran wrote Fountain. Head in direct response to being noted. on a script that she had written and she. she had been studying um this movie.

about skyscrapers and they told her she. kept submitting versions of the script. and they kept noting her noting her. until it it was unrecognizable and then. she was like this is what happens to a. to like you know to work you know it. gets noted to into like till it's. disintegrates until the. and so yeah so that was that's one thing. I had that I that I've always wanted to. do but I don't know that I'm ever I. don't know that the the world will allow. that I don't know why it's it's one of.

those weird things where iron brand is. she's connected to like incels or you. know like Angry white guys or like. Finance people they're cruel yeah it's. this uh very strange Steve Jobs's. favorite book by the way interesting. yeah interesting yeah that is. interesting but it's of those things. where it's like if you hear that like. I'm I'm an an IR Rand fan you're like oh. okay you're one of those guys one those. guys yeah Bitcoin too yeah exactly you. know it's true but it's funny because.

look and I get by the way Alice Shrugged. fair you know you can play with that. that's a game that I I. mean I I'm pretty exclusively a Fountain. Head fanatic and for that also because. it's the it's melodrama too like it's. the most melodramatic thing ever I mean. as far is just like why won't Netflix. let you do that I feel like they should. I just I feel like I think it would have. a huge well again like I said I think I. know it would work I know it would work. I know it would work too yeah why don't. [ __ ] come on Netflix let's go let's go.

well I'm a fan of letting artists like. yourself do what is their Vision you. know and I I think people are often. wrong about whether or not something is. going to be successful commercially or. whether or not it's going to resonate. with a lot of other people but that's. the thing like no one knows like that's. the awesome thing about movies is like. and and why you know I'm not that. worried about the AI influence over. motion picture. because there's obviously no formula no.

one can predict what's going to be. successful or they would have gotten rid. of the directors and writers a long time. ago you know like it's still there's. Alchemy there's still magic there's. still like an impossible like you know. all these elements come together and. you're like you feel something and. you're like what that was cool [ __ ] you. know and it's the thing like who knows. you know yeah it's like you know any. anything you know that that you see that. maybe if someone described it to you in.

an abstract you'd be like that sounds. dumb like I no and then you sit and you. watch it and you experience it Moment by. moment and you feel it yeah that's. [ __ ] cool well it's also I think. there's always going to be a thing that. people resonate with where they know. it's made by a person they know that an. artist's thought were involved in the. creation of this thing this is the. vision they work tirelessly to produce. this and they put it out and they're. proud of it here it is and there's. something about that that you're you're. getting to take in another human beings.

a group of human beings creation and. that that means something to us and I. think it's always going to mean. something to us I think there's going to. be AI songs and AI movies and AI art and. it's going to be cool but it's not going. to be as cool cuz it's not going to be. from a human correct. and I do feel like the the the. fingerprints um the squishy fingerprints. on the thing are the thing that make it. like unbelievably cool chisel marks I.

want the Chisel marks I love them I live. for them like to me that's the bit like. the best movies my favorite movies the. best movies are where you can feel the. hand of the filmmaker like I want that I. don't want I do not want the movie made. by kitti you know you vote you when you. when you go to a movie that that is that. feels like it was made in the boardroom. like I feel dirty when I watch that I.

don't like it I'm like I don't want the. cold hand of marketing on me like that. you know I want to like that's why I. love the you know like the weirdness you. know like I feel like in the end all my. movies are just a little bit weird in in. in a good way like you know 300 for. whatever it's like all the like. you know kind of like coolness of it as. far as like yeah let's go fight it's. still a weirdo movie you know like you. ever think of putting a bunch of gay. stuff in there well you know I just it's.

Frank's book you know I wrote it I wrote. I I made what Frank wrote now now in. retrospect um and that we we've been. talking about doing a series where I. really wanted to like introduce those. Concepts a lot more because I just feel. like it's important in in if we go. forward and do like more in the 300. Universe I would want to bring that part. in and let people which I think just. shakes it up again like you're like what. like right when you thought you yeah. right when you thought you knew like how. to feel like I'm going to make you feel.

like another way people have always said. like you know 300 you know people have. accused me of being like homophobic or. whatever and I'm like I don't know they. just somehow they feel like that because. the Spartans weren't doing gay stuff. yeah or because they you know there's. that one line where he says you know um. uh philosophers and boy lovers but like. I I think that that he's clearly being. cheeky leonitis because like I I of. course was hyper aware at the time that.

the reality of Spartan culture was the. was like he's obviously out he he means. philosophies and boy lovers not like he. he's using that maybe as a derogatory. comment but when in reality he's a a. lover of men probably you know H. absolutely absolutely and so like I just. think that like as and we talked about. like as as we go forward I would love to. like just kind of stress and and just.

like I I said like look 300 you know in. some ways is like one of the gayest. movies ever made you know like it's it. it it is. incredibly male Centric male obsessed. you know like you really feel like very. strong male energy from the the movie. even though there's a strong Le you know. gorgo is a incredibly strong female. character and we wrote her and made her. like he doesn't decide to kick the. person messenger into the well without.

getting approval from from gorgo because. you know he's like I'm going to burn it. down is that cool and she's like go do. it you know and he's like all right here. we go and you know he he this is Sparta. as that guy and that's like uh that was. that that and and I just think but I. just think that like you. know and that was just me understanding. doing the research and understanding the. reality of Spartan culture that I really. that energy was in there because I just. felt like it was important you know to. to make sure that it was you know that.

there was this kind of visceral. sexuality to the way the men actually. interacted you know that was there I. mean regardless of whether you. acknowledge it it's there you know that. would be but but it wasn't acknowledged. really in the film like if anybody. didn't know the history of the Spartans. they wouldn't know no no I I but I just. feel I I just mean from sort of an. iconic standpoint as far as like the the. the this just sort of Indulgence in the. male form you know is very is very it's.

not it's not casual right if you it' be. fascinating to see if you did do a. series and you had them behave the way. Spartans actually did the reaction yeah. it' be interesting I think that. hopefully we'll find out one day that'd. be fun yeah that would be fun yeah it's. just I mean like look in the end it's a. it's a weirdo it's a weirdo show you. know like it just it's fun to enjoy it. it's fun to [ __ ] with it you know like. that's what we do like that's you got to. tear it apart a little bit to like take.

a look at it you got to know you know. when you choose things to do today how. do you go about doing it do you do you. just sit with an idea and bring it to. Studios do they come to you do you how. do you choose what you I I don't develop. I kind of have a bunch of I've always. had a bunch of stuff that I work on and. I just go I want to do this and then. whoever wants to do it then they they we. do it and I mean that's a nice position. to be it is it's an awesome position and. I appreciate it and I don't I don't take. it for granted um you know there's a few.

things like I've always been obsessed. with um uh Richard Bach I don't know if. you know like there's a he has this book. called illusions that I've owned for a. long time that I've always wanted to do. um you know I grew up as a Christian. Scientist and I um you know I isn't that. a book about like channeling well. Illusions is about uh this it's a a book. about this guy flying his b plane around. in the. 1970s and he lands in a in a in a. pasture because like in the 70s you well.

he was part of this sort of he would fly. his b plane around land in a pasture and. then sell rides for $3 like for 10. minutes and that's how he lived right. he's just a gypsy pilot flying around. the Midwest and he happens to come. across this guy who also is flying a bip. plane who happens to be like a messiah. who happens to be like this super. spiritually Advanced dude who's on the. run from he doesn't want to be the. Messiah he's like he's like it said it's.

called illusions The Adventures of a. reluctant Messiah and it's about the two. of them spending a summer together just. the one guy teaching him about like it's. a [ __ ] job being the Messiah like don't. don't do don't do it because you know. what happens to the messiah's in the end. right yeah he goes do you always have to. die of violent death and he goes yeah I. don't think always and he's like really. he goes yeah you know what it's it's. cool for like he goes what about just a. quiet little Ascension you know just on. the side he's like yeah I don't think.

that I don't think the universe will let. that happen you know so it's a cool so. it's this really cool again it's like. this sort of it's again like a spiritual. deconstructivist like Messiah story and. I just like I've always it was like this. book when I was growing up I just in a. lot of ways it's it it's religious. philosophy is the similar to Christian. Science so I superimposed my religious. beliefs onto this book and I felt like. it kind of spoke to my doubts and my.

questions about my religious upbringing. and like what I thought for real like my. brother so my brother passed away when I. was 13 he got in a car accident and he. was like this incredibly spiritual dude. everyone like anyone who knew my brother. was like that guy was the guy he was the. man like you know Sam Snyder was like. among his peer group was like he was. like you know in retrospect like he was. in it taii and like just like super cool.

70s dude right like just he kind of. looked like Billy crudup right like. Billy crudup from like you know um. Almost Famous right imagine that guy. like but just like the coolest guy you. know smoking dope just being cool as. hell so when he passed away I always. thought like okay my brother just like. tired of this world and went looking for. another one you know like he was just. like on a spiritual journey but then. like when you see when you're 13 and you. see like what that event though does to.

your family your mother and father you. know your sister your all of their. friends like the devastation that they. feel and these are people that I. believed. believed in the religion that I believed. in and. the pain like it made me really go like. what the [ __ ] like is this what's real. like what like what are we supposed to. believe you know it really tested me and. I think that illusions that book in.

retrospect and I won't spoiler alert I. won't tell you what happens on the last. page of the book but it it kind of. speaks to where I was and I and I think. so it's always resonated with me and I'm. friends with Richard Bach I became. friends with him and his wife is. constantly texting to me like when are. we making Illusions and I was like soon. soon she's like I found the planes you. know so it's it's it's cool like we have. the planes we can make it any time so. yeah standing so those are kind of. that's how we develop like it's all.

these things that I have you know that. are kind of close to me that I I'm. always constantly saying what about that. we should maybe it's time that's awesome. dude well listen um it's been great to. talk to you I I really appreciate what. you've done I love how excited you are. about film making and not seriously You'. done some awesome [ __ ] man you should be. proud a I appreciate it appreciate look. man I'm a fan of the show and uh you. know it's a it's an honor to come on and. talk to you thank you it's honor to have. you thank very much all right bye.

everybody thanks. [Music]. brother.