Joe Rogan Experience #2100 - Steven Rinella & Cameron Hanes

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day we good to go all right Steve Rella. cam Haynes what's happening good to see. you guys yeah thanks for having me out. man my pleasure cam explain that. ridiculous thing around your neck what. what are you talking. about oh this that thing. oh what what where am I camera am I.

right there yeah so this is uh how. badass is this solid gold mold of this. is my first brown bear I killed with Roy. so they made a mold off this claw I had. this just taned hide laying around I'm. like I got a we got a I don't know. what's it going to do just lay there so. I'm like I got to have something and I. took it to skis Jew Jeweler which has. been in Eugene for 104 years so it's. kind of a cool little story and they. came up with this crazy neck.

so it's oh they wanted me to tell you. it's uh it's re uh what is it it's not. not newly mined gold it's re oh. reclaimed reclaimed yeah yeah so so. they're not ruining the planet to get it. so they want me this is like reclaimed. gold but it's solid and then there's six. carats or rubies on there and black. diamond so so the rubies a ridiculous. thing you're talking about yeah yeah. okay that was it yeah so the rubies a. lot of Pawn Shop wedding rings laid up.

in there man I know a lot of failed. marriage failed dreams this yeah this is. probably that's where that came from. come like 50 failed marriages right here. and the rubies look like blood so what. they did was it's pretty [ __ ] dope. they made the rubies if you could hold. it up for the camera that people could. see it the rubies look like it's dipped. in blood there's black diamonds too oh. nice that's a lot dude you're balling. out of control son I know I know it's. crazy so the last I had that one from.

Scooby the CH he made me never worn it. since but I wore it here then the last. time I had my son uh had an ivory from a. bull I killed in Arizona he just put on. a leather strap and that was my last. podcast uh adornment now here we are. Cody garbrandt gave me one that has my. dog's face on one side and the other. side it has the JRE logo I'm like either. one of them is too weird for me carved. into an ivory no no no it's solid gold. oh solid gold oh that's carbon yeah yeah.

it's it's so ridiculous hey no there's. no limit now obviously you got any. jewelry vanill come on steeve no nothing. uhuh no tattoos no jewelry man what. they'll never if I return the lake they. won't be able to identify me do you have. a rubber wedding ring do you wear one of. those well I I went from regular to. Silicon to nothing yeah I don't wear one. anymore you ever thought about my wife. doesn't wear one very often oh yeah uhuh. no don't wear one.

I I'd yell at my wife yeah but where the. [ __ ] are you going well I know but it's. not like anyone comes it's not like. anyone comes and scams at me now you. know I'm a little beyond that I just. smell like I smell like a married dude I. don't need that thing I get it I don't. know I just always I I don't mind. wearing it I and I love these silicone. ones these are [ __ ] great you can. lift weights in them you can do I don't. do I do everything in them I had a. couple accidents the snag in it and and. arced it on a battery the metal one yeah. and then I got on this thing and people. were sing saw these pictures too of uh.

what they call De gloving sheathing yeah. where you pull it off man we got just. people sending horrible pictures like. guys catching them on a ladder rack on a. truck and then like jumping down oh. endless and that cured me forever that. metal one yeah the I kept the metal one. in a little baggy I will wear the metal. one if I go to dinner with my wife oh. really or if I'm doing the UFC I'll wear. the metal one if I have a nice watch on. but I never wear it other than that oh. that's cute that you put it on at dinner. I'm going to do that sometime we do date.

nights did you put your ring on yeah I'm. going to start doing that well I always. wear my red my my rubber ring but the. silicone ring but the uh the metal one. I'll put out we're going out a nice one. on dude I'm gonna take that little tip. man it's a good tip it's a good tip for. date night yeah I had to use mine for. this I. wedding your wife's like where's your. wedding R well you know the necklace I. got I still have it it just assumed its. final form I wear it all all the time.

I'm wearing it right now my buddy in. Alaska he had. uh he had his wife kept all jewelry in. this little box and her house burnt. down and he later went and found all. that stuff like it melted into a. blob so she she took that blob and took. it to a jeweler and had that blob turned. into a big old necklace oh so it's just. like this amorphous glob oh the glob. with no change this amorphous glob of.

gold that she'll put on now and then it. was like all of her like stuff in this. little pile that wow melt yeah melt. together must been a [ __ ] hell of a. fire oh yeah well no it was for sure and. she didn't like wear it wear it but she. would get out and be like oh here's all. my all the lump here's all my stuff yeah. the jewelry thing is a weird thing. people that get really one of the things. we're going to do for protect our Parks. we've been talking about doing this is. get grills like the rappers wear we're. all going to wear grills during the. podcast going to get fitted with like.

diamond grills they take like a little. diamond dust and you smile like Paul. Wall and you have a full mouth full of. diamonds and look I think it' look. badass that's my next. move just fangs when I I have a tooth. that got knocked out and it's it's like. one of those calves and one time we were. drinking and I L when I was younger we. were drinking and I was trying to open a. there used to be that company that made. tequila that had like a Sombrero for a.

lid mhm I don't know and I was opening. one of these bottles and broke that fake. tooth off oh and all night I'm going on. about how I'm getting it. gold because it's gone you know and all. night I'm like making a plan talking all. this and I woke up in the morning and. looked in the mirror and I just wanted. her white a regular white tooth bag so. bad yeah those so you opened it up with. your tooth yeah it broke that tooth and. then like got fired up about getting a. gold one and uh no never did it that.

would have been the closest thing I had. toward jewelry with my gold tooth but. chickened out that would look sick yeah. I thought about a gold tooth for brief. moments generally while drinking get one. of them they have those they just put a. little diamond on it now. yeah my old man told me that during the. war guys would carry around uh dental. picks and he fought World War II he said. during the war they would carry it. around and you would they would go would. get all the they would get the gold out.

of German's teeth true and save it up in. a bag and there were certain guys was. just into it I remember as a kid asked. him like Hey would they ever get it from. an American he goes that'd be a good way. to get shot but but they dig it out of. there which is a maab business man yeah. very maab they people used to dig up. Graves to do that right MH yeah well the. original fillings the silver ones were. those. lead don't know cuz they used to have.

fillings that were metal like and I. remember people were saying hey those. are [ __ ] terrible for you like they. figured it out years later it's like. living your whole life with a fish and. sinker in your mouth man right have you. seen you saw Shane Gillis last night how. funny is that dude oh my God he's. hilarious he's so funny he had a bit. about George Washington and it's one of. the funniest bits I've ever seen in my. life and George it's a whole bit about. going to the George Washington museum. cuz he's he's a real history buff but. one of the things was George. Washington's teeth like George. Washington.

no no they weren't wooden they were set. in. lead the the the the fake thing that he. had was set in lead the top was horse. teeth and the bottom was slave teeth so. they'd have teeth pulled from his slave. to make yes yes and then that thing was. set in lead with springs on it and that. was George Washington's. teeth I mean how [ __ ] crazy is that. but but his whole bit is about how.

George Washington had lead poisoning he. was a [ __ ] Maniac cuz he was at the. front of the line course the donke just. [ __ ] hack you have to see the bit. it's very funny uh folklore. notwithstanding Washington for false. teeth were not wooden he obtained them. instead from horses donkeys cows and. human beings according to his account. books 1784 emulating some of his. affluent friends he bought nine teeth. from unidentified Negroes perhaps. enslaved African-Americans at his.

beloved Mount Vernon the price was 122. Shillings yeah I mean imagine eating. with that [ __ ] monstrosity of lead in. your and he so he's got that in his. mouth all the time just getting lead. poisoning That's pretty intense pretty. intense having another dude's teeth in. your mouth too is wild yeah I had a. cadav bone in my jaw for a while and you. and you'd get little you know little.

pieces of it and you're always spitting. out little pieces of some guy whoa some. other dude for a while they took it out. well no it just heals up oh so they. drill a hole in there and they fill it. full a cadav bone whoa and I asked who. the dude was you know they can't figure. out who he was I have you're like all. over your office or whatever you're like. some little chunk of a guy you don't. know my right knee is a cadav ACL 10 but. it's not um it's not anymore what.

happens is your body rep proliferates it. yeah so it just acts as a scaffolding. and then your body just fills it in with. its own tissue they give you they ever. give you info about the person no no I. just told them get me a viking get me. some [ __ ] gigantic dude swinging at. battle ax his whole life the uh they. actually use the Achilles tendon though. cuz it's much thicker than the original. ACL it's like 150% stronger than an. initial ACL.

but I would do that operation get into. heartbeat I've always told everybody. I've had my knees done both ways I had. my left knee done with a Patel attending. graft which was the most painful and. took forever to recover from and then I. had my right knee done with a cadav. graft it was way easier I went to a. party 5 days after the operation with no. crutches no nothing I just put a brace. on and walked and I was like this feels. fine I mean it was obviously unstable I. guess it was weaker so I I put the brace.

on but uh I was I could walk around like. it was was not that big a deal the first. one I was in [ __ ] Agony for months at. least. weeks because they they have to saw what. they do is they take your patella tendon. which is a very large thick tendon you. don't need all of that and they take a. strip of it and then they take like. peeling string cheese yeah exactly and. then they take a chunk of your kneecap. and a chunk of your shin so they pull. that out and then they open you up like. a fish and they screw it in on the top.

and screw it on the bottom and that's. your new ACL so it's a part of your body. so your body accepts it it's not like. another person's tissue which you know. could be an issue your body might reject. it and then you know it takes a long ass. time before you can even get on your. knees again it took like a year before. it doesn't bother me to like be on my. knees you know like if you're hammering. something or something I I couldn't get. on that knee it was just so [ __ ]. painful cuz you know you got a hole. there and a hole in the kneecap but all. fills in eventually H well both of them.

are fine now but if I had to tell people. if they're going to get the operation. get the [ __ ] kadab get that dead dude. that's risky now what if you get a a. vegan that's vaccinated. cadav your knees going to blow out like. flimsy every day every day like flimsy. string cheese like when your bow string. is getting frayed you're like damn. should I replace this like when you're. dloop this [ __ ] vegan screwed me on. this h on this.

ligament yeah poor vegans man po you. want to talk about people that have been. sold bill of goods not very durable are. they it's not just that it's like. there's so much propaganda that that is. good for you and there's so much. evidence that it's not and this mindset. that these [ __ ] [ __ ] people have. where they're just like they believe The. China Study they believe meat causes. cancer I've had conversations with. people we try to be rational with them. like if meat really cause cancer do you. know that 95% of the people on Earth eat.

meat M like well look at all the cancer. yeah but look at all the other food they. eat do you understand how epidemiology. studies work like when they you know. when they have these arguments no one. ever takes it to this like rational. conclusion like what would they do you. know how they work the epidemiology. studies no when they when they so like. if they say there's been a correlation. between High consumption of red meat and. cancer oh people eat red meat five times. a week are much more likely than PE what. are they they eating with it MH they.

don't take that into effect cuz it's not. a real study it's [ __ ] what they're. doing is just trying to come up with. some biased interpretation of data that. makes it seem more likely that meat is. killing you I was trying to explain uh. correlation causation all that to my kid. the other night I was telling them about. stuff like this like uh education levels. and divorce rates right I'm like no no. one's going to untangle what it is but. you can look at these things and see. that there's something going on but no.

one knows exactly what right yeah so. with this stuff like that it's like so. did you eat a lot of meat uh-huh yeah. it's like okay well yeah and what what. form where what were you doing it's not. even what form it's what else are you. eating yeah if they're only looking for. red meat so they're they're asking you. in these studies like how many days a. week do you eat red meat and then you. say five and they say well we've. gathered up all the data and the people. that eat red meat five days a week are. much more likely to have cancer yeah but. most people who eat red meat are eating.

burgers and they're eating burgers from. like Jack in the Box or whatever where. you get this [ __ ] bun you get these. Fries Are Made In seed oil you're. probably washing it down with a Coca. colola you're flooding your body with. unnatural levels of sugar and these. carbohydrates that are all processed. with folic acid and [ __ ] and they're. [ __ ] terrible for you and your gut is. just inflamed and your whole body's. freaked out and then do you smoke. cigarettes and do you drink alcohol and. do you live near a [ __ ] power line.

like there like so there's so many. factors that lead you if it was just. like I want to see a study on people who. eat wild game or grass-fed beef and just. [ __ ] vegetables yeah like those. studies like I bet those folks aren't. getting like high instances of cancer. cancer is like there's a lot of. environmental factors there's a lot of. lot of genetic factors a lot of things. that lead people to get cancer it's not. just what you eat but when they say meat.

like what else are you eating why are. you blaming meat well what I used to do. is go to McDonald's so yeah I had red. meat cuz in the burger two plain. hamburgers large fry apple. pie uh Diet Coke and a. milkshake just think about all the. [ __ ] there and they're like do you. eat a lot of meat uh yeah blame the meat. right it's like look at to your point. look at all that other [ __ ] sugar and. carbs that oil in that meal right there.

would probably kill you yeah and some. people it's the same people going. through McDonalds or Burger King or. Wendy's every single day getting their. go-to yeah so those are the people that. you're asking about do you eat red meat. yeah and of course they are but look at. all but yeah I just got my blood test. yesterday from I get it tested every. once in a while and my numbers are. phenomenal I eat. meat five times a day yeah I mean I'm. eating meat all day all wild gay meat.

though I found that people also have I. was talking this day with my body Seth. where people also have a tendency to. um. find they they there's so much. conflicting dietary information that. people also will find something aligns. with their aesthetic yeah right or that. aligns with their political sensibility. meaning um. someone you know if your general.

tendency is to be opposed to meat. production certain agricultural. practices and you see an article where. it says you know High meat diet. correlates with cancer they're going to. read that with great enthusiasm yes yeah. confirmation because they're going to be. like oh this lines up with a bunch of. [ __ ] out anything ex you know and so. when we were talking about this we're. trying to I was sort of teasing out. right like I like to have a garden I.

like to hunt and I look with fondness. upon data that suggests that eating like. fresh veggies and meat is really good. for you and it definitely feels good but. I'm sort of like am I you know I mean do. I make the same mistake that that I. tease other people for making like if I. read some study that said you know. eating mu deers you know the best thing. you can possibly do I'd be like no. That's my kind of study yeah but it it.

just makes logical sense it does you. understand the building blocks of human. beings and like what's necessary to. promote you know all the things that you. need that only come from animal tissue. B12 collagen there's like there's so. much stuff that you can get from meat. that you're just not going to get from. anywhere else so whenever I see an. athlete that starts going on a vegan. diet I look at it the same way as like a. snake Handler like okay let's see how. this plays out plays out you're going to. get bit it's going to it's going to take.

some time plays out the same every time. I always it's like I have a friend uh. and he was like my girlfriend's going to. let me do threesums the moment I hear. things like that I have exact the exact. same feeling as like someone coming up. to me saying hey man I started making my. own bombs. like this is not going to work out I. know I know a guy that went through. something like what you're talking about. it you know and I remember when he broke. it out for me about like some like deal.

he had arrived at in his. marriage it looks good on paper can't. [ __ ] never seen an example once I. can't tell you how I know but I can just. tell you that this is. nothing it never works yeah I mean if. you if you just sketch it out right here. it might look all right yeah it's not. she's going to kill you in your sleep. bro this is not going to work none of. this is real God get out now oh yeah but.

you know the the vegan diet thing it's. just it's so unfortunate that people. have been it's like it's such. a I I get how you could come to this. sort of idea where if you just eat. vegetables then you're not as. responsible for killing but one of the. real problems is well first of all. there's the real problem of farming you. know that especially industrial monocrop. agriculture godamn they kill a lot of. things to get that crop out they kill. they kill everything that's in the. ground when they're using the combines.

they use people to kill groundhogs. they're killing all the varmints and. gophers and everything gets [ __ ]. killed right we all know that ground. nesting Birds fawns get chewed up. there's a lot of things that happen but. then on top of that there's emerging. evidence that plants have intelligence. that not only do they have intelligence. but they communicate through the. mycelium in the ground and that they. they share resources like they allocate. resources towards plants that need it.

more there's there's there's evidence. that they communicate with each other. like for instance like the ACAA tree. which there's there's trees in Africa. where when giraffes eat them if they're. downwind the other trees that are. downwind will start producing a potent. chemical that makes their leaves taste. like [ __ ] so that they know that they're. getting chewed on by you know oh my God.

there's a giraffe in the neighborhood. start tasting like [ __ ] and so they. release chemicals I mean how insane is. that they not only is it that but they. have now shown that they can play. recordings of water of insects eating. the leaves and if they play those. recordings next to the plant the plant. will start producing those toxic. chemicals that make them taste bad so. I've read that about Willows I never. checked see how like valid it is but.

that that a willow will send root. tendrils in the direction of the sound. of running water that makes sense I know. it's cool sorry kind I me to step over. you D oh no no I was just saying so it's. it's sound and also you said before you. said it was downwind yeah downwind too. it's scent and sound it's it's a bunch. of things that they don't understand cuz. they don't have noses like they don't. have ears like how how does the sound of. caterpillars eating leaves change the. the chemical structure of these plants.

like how are they knowing okay time to. let loose the poison how they how are. they getting it because they're downwind. but it gets so bad that animals some. animals that try to eat them they wind. up starving to death because they don't. want to eat this stuff because it tastes. that bad you're uh I can see where. you're going with this is that sometime. down the road there's going to be some. tough decisions for people who are. looking for General yeah well like uh. not wanting to harm yeah creatures yeah. if you're and when you have to face the.

fact that here's this like semi sentient. communicative plant that you're yanking. yeah it just can't move quick and it. does move and if you watch highspeed. images of of plants growing you know and. moving with the breeze you're like oh. it's just a different kind of movement. like it's it's clearly growing like it. grows forever it's not even like another. animal it's kind of more fantastic cuz. it'll grow for a hundred [ __ ] years. and keep growing or if you go to like.

some of those crazy um in Northern. California trees that have been around. for a thousand years it's wild [ __ ] man. yeah yeah I'll uh like you know I'll. hunt all manner of. stuff and I used to work as a tree. surgeon and with fell trees but at our. place in Southeast Alaska which is in. the uh Coastal rainforest and we're in. an area of old growth where our stuff's. at. um I'm not like in no way condemning.

people to do I would not be able to put. a chainsaw on one of those trees yeah. like you know I mean like we like. everyone finds their sort of limits and. when I'm looking at some tree that's. whatever four 500 years old yeah I. personally you know I could kill a bear. without thinking about it not without. thinking about it but yeah I can kill a. bear and be real happy I did man just I. personally couldn't put a saw on one of. those trees yeah so people you know you. find these you you you find these lines. well there's also the renewable resource.

of bears you know if you're going to. kill a bear and eat a bear that bear is. 9 years old 9 years is not that big a. deal yeah ain't 400 yeah I mean there. was a I was in Scotland recently and. they they had this tree like this is the. oldest tree that that you know is in. Europe and I was like how old's this. [ __ ] tree and like it's like a 5,000. year old tree I'm like how is that. possible yeah it's incredible see if you. can find that like the oldest tree in. Scotland there's crazy gnarled up. looking [ __ ] up tree I was like how.

old I might be wrong with the age but it. was crazy old and I was like whoa like. how do you know how do you know how old. this is when you go to Europe Scotland. was amazing I took this trip with my. wife and we went to visit these sites. where they have these Stone circles that. are older than Stonehenge and they're. like right in front of this dude's. house like this dude has a house and. then there's a small Street like a. two-lane Street 5,000 years old yeah. 5,000. a.

you Google said it's 2 to 3,000 years. old okay so the sign says 3,000 well. back when they made that sign what kind. of [ __ ] carbon dating did they have. you know some some dude said man that. tree must be 5,000 years old put that on. the side look at the image of it that's. what it looked like see the image of it. to the right Jamie to the uh no slightly. to the left of that yeah that's it. that's it that's exactly what it looked. like M but that one's a Thousand-Year. Old North Downs in sui so that's in. Engish. yeah [ __ ] that ugly tree that that tree.

looks dope it looks dope that's not. that's not the tree Steve was talking. about I think they look cool that tree. looks old you know that tree looks like. a gnarly old man yeah like some old. dudes I tell you what it was like when. we rode horses everywhere hey so Steve I. was I was thinking like so what's it. what's the difference between the a. person who you said you wouldn't like to. cut that tree or you wouldn't yeah like. but like I said not. not I I don't say that to condemn you.

know I mean I don't say that to cast. judgment on you know a logger that does. I'm just saying like I personally no I. understand that but then there's some. people who take that to I'm just trying. to I don't know reason with myself cuz. around here we've had people chain. themselves to trees sure you know what I. mean so did would you do that no so. that's what I'm saying it's like I mean. no cuz the passion's not that right. there's a the passion's there but it's. not that deep right I yeah it's just.

it's weird thinking about I understand. what you're saying I totally get that I. I would probably I think I've never cut. down a tree I've never been a tree. surgeon but I would probably feel the. same about maybe a four or 500 year old. tree I might be like you know man cam. you cut it down when I was in Northern. California I don't have to deal with any. repercussions we were in the redwood. forest and there's a tree that you drive. a car through yeah they cut a hole in. the tree and I was like why did they do. that but it was like 1920 or something. when they did it yeah they didn't care.

about anything they didn't give a [ __ ]. yeah but when you're around those trees. they're so big it's it's so crazy how. wide they are and when they're gone. that's it you just chop down something. that took thousands of years to grow so. you could make what a [ __ ] table yeah. you know there's a lot of trees that are. like 20 years old go kill those yeah. it's it's it's a tough one man it's a. tough one looking at those trees but it. does seem like uh you. know some of those trees you look at. it's like you're looking at it almost.

seems like some approximation of God you. know look at some of those old trees man. just astounding yeah yeah we that's in. Oregon that was a big thing because we. had the spotted owls in late 80s. basically and spotted owls lived in Old. growth so we had the the whatever Timber. activists or whoever those people are. spiking trees yeah and or living in them. they'd like well we live here or we. chain ourselves to them but they were up. there and the loggers would get there to. cut you know do their cut and there's.

people living in the trees yeah that one. girl spent her name was like Joe's. probably had her on the show I would. have on this show it was like butterfly. or something right but I mean I guess my. point is it's like you got people. whatever their passions are they will go. to the ends you know like we we defend. hunting till the end right that's our. passion that's what we love but yeah. it's like all these different factions. of people that man you'd have a hard. time saying you're wrong and believing. that cuz that's just what they believe. that's their passion so it's like. finding that middle ground you know the.

one thing that I never really thought of. until I started hunting was the. spiritual aspect the hunting that's it's. in it's a part of it that it's almost. indisputable when you experience it like. when you first experience it when you. first start eating an animal that you. like the first time you ever took me. hunting when we were in Montana and I. remember when I was eating that mule. deer we're sitting over the fire I was. like this is so different than any meal.

I've ever had in my life it's so. different I feel so connected to this. animal I know how difficult it was to do. this I know how insane their life is. that this is this wild creature that is. 100% going to die soon no matter what if. it's next year or the year after or the. year after that it doesn't have much. time left and if you can move in while. you know dip your toe into the wild and. extract that thing out to me that was.

like oh this is the best way to eat meat. ever this is 20 30 times better than. just getting a steak from a store I. remember when we were sitting around the. fire and you're like what do you think. I'm like I'm doing this forever you. remember that what what year was that I. don't remember that specific. conversation that was a long time ago oh. was it really 10 years ago 2012 okay and. then you bow hunted in 2014 yes okay so. so did you kill I have two people in. this room. that introduced me to hunting and that's.

our Montana mu deal right there that's. him that's someone lost the nose bones. the ones out there yeah well he's. missing his too yeah you need to shake. Jamie down he might have a pocket full. of those nose bones I think they I think. they they boil it out too long I think. is that what it is yeah I always I. always glue them back in but anyways. sorry that guy is very special to me. that guy's very special first kill and I. remember when we were eating him over. the fire I was resorting my schedule I. was like okay how many times a year can.

I hunt now okay how much how long is it. going to take to eat de right away. eating it over the fire like right away. I was like oh I'm doing this forever. this is what I do now like right away I. was like okay now I got to really. research like calibers and rifles and. how to do this and how to do that I got. to up my cardio I got to start hiking. Hills I started thinking all these. things like immediately and I start. planning out okay every I got to hunt. every four months like what can you hunt. I got to get a pig cuz then you can Funt. them all year round immediately my brain.

starts spinning like okay this is what I. do now I was like okay I found it I've. taken quite a number of people on their. first huntting trips I've never had. probably. dozens maybe dozens either way I've. never had any of them regret it like no. one's ever said I wish I hadn't done. that but I would say the. majority definitely a good strong. majority did not pursue it didn't regret. it glad they did it but didn't make it. part of life well it's difficult yeah.

it's difficult you know and that's the. thing I think that is the impediment for. a lot of people it's like timec. consuming if you don't have someone like. you or someone like you to teach them. like I have friends they're like hey I. want you to take me hunting I'm like oh. Christ mhm I don't have the time I want. to go bow hunting I'm like do you know. what you're saying do you know what. you're saying yeah like I just want you. to come with me one day and watch what I. do [ __ ] every day where i'm out myid. right now I'm going through that with my.

kid where my older kid is very. interested in bow hunting. but it's just I'm like man you have to. appreciate the level of discipline dude. that you got to to shoot right like I'm. perpetually Rusty like you can't be like. me right and and I actually pulled the. plug on him this year where I I said if. you shoot every day like he'd been. shooting throughout the summer I said if. you shoot every day prior to this week. we're going to go Bohan I said why you. shoot every day prior to the week and he. didn't do it and I said we're not going.

and I'll see if next year that impacts. him but it's like the discipline it's. unfortunate but I think you know there's. no way to teach someone that there's no. way to really like get it into their. head how hard it is unless they're in. the field and they're drawing on an. animal and then they realize like unless. there's some ways to mitigate that like. you've had Joel Turner on which I you. have you've had him on right no you. never had Joel Turner on the shot IQ guy. no I'd like liked you but never oh I got. to connect to you do you have his number.

do you no but I'm familiar with that. he's been recommended by many people and. guys I work with are familiar but I. haven't had him on he's absolutely got. and you've recommended him to me he's. got a a there's a thing that happens. when you're in a high pressure situation. that I recognize from martial arts and. from a lot of other things where you do. not have full control of your faculties. and your body is operating on anxiety. and and adrenaline and when it's. completely unique like a bow hunting.

thing where you have hours and hours and. hours and hours and hours of preparation. and thinking about it for seconds of. action and it boils down to this one. movement where you're like yikes if you. don't have a strategy for managing your. mental state while that's happening the. odds of you flinching or moving or doing. something stupid are really really. really high and Joel Turner went through. that for like [ __ ] 15 years he like. couldn't kill an out always choking yeah.

and then when he became a SWAT. instructor when he was you know he's on. a SWAT team so he he's literally like he. was telling me this one story where he. had to shoot this guy that was holding a. young girl hostage and like I think it. was with a weapon I forget a knife or. something and so he has a head shot. while this guy is holding on to a girl. and he had to figure out like what are. the what is the mental process that.

allows people to Flinch and panic during. these moments and he realized it's a. difference between open loop systems and. closed loop systems and the open loop. system is something like swinging a. baseball bat like once you start. swinging you're just swinging you're. just you know you're swinging and. unfortunately with a lot of people that. is the initial reaction let's just go. yeah I get it like the final thought you. have is that you're going to swing the. bat yeah I I don't know if a. professional I don't know if a like.

friend of mine's a you know real home. run hitter I don't know if he would. agree but in my mind yeah it's like. you've decided to swing and everything. else is just nothing well you're not. going to stop it in the middle of the. Swing yeah you're not you're not. thinking about oh I'm going to go a. little higher a little lower right it's. like punching yeah punching when you're. when you're fighting punching comes it's. an automatic movement like you slide. back and you don't even realize what's. happening you're already punching and. you're not going to stop that punch once. you've launched your shoulder forward. and when you are using his system he has.

you talking to yourself through every. step of it so you're always conscious so. it's always a closed loop system you're. in complete control at any step you. could stop and he's like sometimes the. best shot is a shot you don't take when. you realize you're shaking you're. holding too long let down that's the. best decision you could ever make if you. get your mind to like just shoot now. just go now and you're now we've all.

seen people there's so many videos. online dude I've been there my yeah yeah. everybody has but there's a way to. mitigate that with this so it's not just. the practice the practice is great you. have to practice I practice constantly. but you also should have a pre-shot. routine and I actually used Cam's. pre-shot routine when I was in Utah cuz. I remember cam had this thing where he's. saying keep the pin on them keep the pin. on them and you say that yeah while. you're shooting keep the pin on him keep. the pin on him I just know if I keep the.

pin there it's Arrow's gonna hit good. yeah what happens is people drop their. bow arm a lot yeah I mean that's what. happens a lot is that drop that bow arm. they hit too low so if you keep that PIN. there Bow's going to do it J oh you're. saying be you're telling yourself be. conscious of keeping the pin on it. through the shot yeah not moving cuz the. the moving thing is like I hope I hit it. I hope I hit it and the things go left. right [ __ ] three four feet you're. like how you know where people realize. that they have a problem is after they.

make a shitty shot and they're just like. why didn't I practice more why didn't I. listen to Joel or Joe or whoever yeah. because then that's then it's real. because we have a a tendency of making. things work out in our head the way we. want them to and then when it doesn't. work out like that because we haven't. put in the time or we don't have a. process down and maybe you hit the. animal bad maybe you miss maybe you know. just [ __ ] the bed and then you're just. like God what is my what am I doing yeah.

but up until then you're like you're the. baddest person ever you know me yeah of. course I'm going to make a great shot. that's an interesting thing between in. talking to people that blow a shot with. a rifle and talking to people that blow. a shot with a bow people will blow a. shot with a rifle and they'll assure you. they did everything right guns on no one. blows a shot with a bow and comes the. way saying I don't know what happened I. did everything right cuz you fall into. like you fall in like you're saying you. fall into this like Despair and guilt.

and you're trying to review in your head. I've like I've accidentally landed on a. thing it's not fail safe but somehow. when you're saying like keep the pin on. them I've landed on this thing like like. remember your elbow remember your elbow. and if I remember to like cuz when I'm. shooting just practicing I'm always. there's always this thing of like like. sort of consciously being aware of. having my elbow raised and that makes. everything fall on the line and so if. I'm if I know I'm going to get a shot. and I could think like if you'll do the. part the elbow if you do the part and. then that elbow goes up and then.

everything else sort of like takes care. of itself you know and then I if I take. a shot I might review in my mind like I. never did that thing I I never did the. elbow deal you know which drives all the. other actions it's imperfect but it's. similar to what you're talking about is. something about staying in a conscious. State and being able to maintain your. composure during that high pressure. situation maintaining a conscious state. where you're talking yourself through. through it and not. just just being a reptile you you know.

just people black out kind of they black. out they really do they don't know what. I don't know what happened I don't know. what happened yeah I think you use it up. maybe I felt that if anything. um just a gradual dissipation with age. and experience perhaps experience for. sure I'd be curious if some if some dude. started like if some dude at 60 years. old you. know some dude at 60 years old started. bow hunting are they going to wig out.

like a 20-year-old on their first shot. depends on who they are or is there. something that's like their brains. already chilled out I think there's a. part of your brain that like you there's. there's a part of your brain that Andrew. huberman talks about I forget what the. exact yeah that when you force yourself. to do things you don't want to do when. you force yourself to get up in the. morning and run in the cold and get in. the cold plunge and all these different. it literally grows larger this part of. your brain that is able to do things. that are uncomfortable that you don't.

want to do actually grows larger and it. seems to be that that's a muscle just. like every other muscle not a muscle but. a thing that is more robust with use and. if you're a 60-year-old guy that just. been working in an office and listening. to the boss and driving home and you. know there's no stress no no like not. stress but no high pressure decision. making in the moment choice that you. have come accustomed to managing and and.

and dealing with and negotiating if. you're if you're a person if you're a. person that's like [ __ ] gone to war. and you know maybe you had like some. crazy high pressure job in your 60 you. probably got [ __ ] ice water running. through your V by the time you're 60. years old like you've seen it all so it. depends on the human but for most people. that like you know like there's guy like. Derrick Wolf you met Derrick Wolf on. your podcast I mean you're talking about. a guy that like is [ __ ] played. professional football at the highest. level and even he says it's the most.

exciting [ __ ] that he's ever done like. I've told Cam like so many times dude. I've done a lot of [ __ ] I've I've fought. I do standup comedy I do all so many. live things that are like high pressure. nothing is like elk hunting there's. nothing like that moment when you're. drawing and that thing is like in the. field and it's it drops his head down at. 50 yards and start eating and you draw. back you got those you're like is this. happening is this really going on right. now ah it's so pressure filled it's it's.

so it's such a novel and unique moment. that unless you have a bunch of those. moments like I'm at the point now you. know uh 10 years into bow hunting where. when I draw on an animal I can keep my. [ __ ] together and now to me it's just. like making sure I'm steady and the. shots good there's nothing weird going. on there's no weird wind or and I just. go through my process and I'm very. confident now but it's numbers it's.

numbers like if you I always tell people. like the more things that you can shoot. the better and you could shoot pigs you. shoot things that people have to kill. you know if you can go to Leni where you. can get like multiple shot opportunities. on axis deer that kind of situation. that's for me the difference between. like how I feel in September during elk. season and like some years where I feel. great and super confident it's always. that I went on a couple other hunts it's. always like so you get that exper how I.

used to feel fighting too like if I got. like one a couple times I got injured. and I couldn't fight for like six months. and then I'd fight but it almost like it. was like brand new again like when I'd. be in there like whoa this is crazy it's. the first time you see people fight. they're in a panic it's like you can't. believe it's actually happening you're. like are you ready and you're like yes. you know like and they get out there and. if you're an experienced person it's one. of the reasons why like champions have. such a massive Advantage they have such. a massive psychological advantage.

because they're the champion and they'. been like You' see guys and they would. fight Mike Tyson they had already lost. by the time they got in there they look. at him like oh my God what is happening. is this real like their whole world was. like that big and they were just in a. full like panic and they just couldn't. fight you know that's that's kind of. similar to how people feel bow hunting. elk for the first time I mean that. Bull's coming in yeah they they they. lost when that Bull's coming in and it's. coming to 20 yard it's just like there's.

there's a chance but I remember the. first time we had a your first bow hunt. we were in Colorado the two bulls were. coming in on this little tight Creek we. were in this little draw coming in at. the same time and they were just bugling. and it was insane not even big bulls but. just coming in and closing down on us. and you remember that moment you're just. like it was unbelievable even though all. the [ __ ] that you've done this high. level crazy stuff that there was nothing. that compared to that the screaming.

mhm when you're there and they're like. 30 yards doing that like the sound is so. nuts like if you're not a person that's. ever been around elk calling when they. do it when they bugle it sounds like. Lord of the Rings man it's such azy. sound it's so crazy can be intimidating. if you're not ready for it uh there's a. thing Dereck wolf told me when you're. talking about uh the stress and. competitive he told me a thing that had. never occurred to me before talk about.

getting in the ring to fight Mike Tyson. or whatever. is in in his thing you're also there's a. thing where you can get you're Star. Struck yeah like picture you're an. incoming player okay and you're real. young and all a sudden you're like I'm. supposed to go tackle Tom Brady yeah who. I've been watching right I've been. watching my through my whole like coming. up through high school coming to college. and all a sudden like wow that's him. yeah there's the goat you got to sort of.

put that on your head right you're like. you be like hey tyght let me get his. interview then I'll come let me get his. autograph then I'll come back and then. I'll tackle him yeah like yeah I mean. the goat you've heard how you know he's. the best ever do it and then all of a. sudden it's like almost like you know. I'm a big fan like to meet you sorry for. having to do this but isn't that also. the case with bow Hunters where like. you've been hunting your whole life. hoping to see a two 200 inch buck and. then one day you're in the mountains and. this mule deer steps out you're.

like like this is it you're imagining. taking the photo smiling on Instagram. you imagine you see this wide mule deer. Buck like this is crazy this is a real. one I can make this happen you're. like everything is just full Panic Klay. Nukem just did a bear grease episode. about a guy a poacher and he interviews. the guy at length and this guy played. softball on a army base they had like a. athletic. complex and a couple times he sees this.

giant buck and people were aware of this. giant buck and he was trying to figure. out if it was possible to kill it as he. calls it kill it right or kill it legal. and one day he just happens to have his. bow in his car and sees it not anywhere. he's supposed to hunt and the way he. describes it he describes it like he was. out of his out of his. body and he shoots it and the minute it. falls over he thinks you'll never get. away with this oh God but he not only. like not only lost I can't I think he's.

in Missouri yeah Missouri so was he in. the wrong unit or he on a milit he was. on a military base where you're not even. you can't hunt oh wow and not only like. losing not only losing your mind as. you're drawing back he lost his. mind in the whole thing getting his bow. out of his thing and kills the buck M. and then he the minute he kills it it. occurs. what he's done so what did he do it's a.

whole it's two episodes about just. horrible what I mean I you got to walk. Real Fine Line I mean he did like as he. admits you know Ian he did he did a. criminal act and it's not like. sympathetic or the criminal act but it's. a it winds up being a story of the. unraveling of someone's life about. just a mistake but but being that that. that sort of lust for that animal right. I guess we should be thankful that. Dereck wolf never saw Tom Brady out of. pizza.

then you know what I mean could just. freaking light him up sack him yeah. right I got him I got him imagine that. he's lying in front of you at Burger. King you just [ __ ] go for it I lost. my mind it was Tom Brady I just [ __ ]. I don't know I've just been programmed. to tackle him yeah no but that I I think. I was thinking back too on you said when. you're not ready for it my the my first. two year my first year bow hunting my. first year rifle hunting I was 15 when I. was rifle hunting we did this drive we.

used to do drives right you know not. really drives with you all night not. really hitting pans but not far from it. so you send the guys and then put the. whoever the shooters on the stand can I. ask you real quick did you call them. what were the names you use we have we. debate this all the time what who was. okay what were the terms you use pushers. sitters yeah that was it okay use. pushers and sitters it's very Regional. on the stand like yeah you're on the. stand and then we're pushing to you okay.

yeah but so I was there had this uh. let's see 300 Savage just old gun but 15. years old doing the push okay go here I. didn't even know if I was in the right. spot I'm just like God I'm by myself. just don't know anything and then all of. a sudden I look up and here's this. Buck giant mule deer I I didn't know how. big it was but it looked and I was just. like. shot no clue I don't know I never.

probably never saw it in the scope it. was like probably seemed like from me to. you and I was just like had no idea what. happened was I prepared to kill that. buck hell no so I killed a spike Buck. like the next day right and that's how. it works you're not ready for a giant. right then same thing with bow hunting. first day bow hunting this giant bull. comes out 7 by6 Roosevelt first day I. I'm like sit on kneeling in this logging. room Road felt like my arms were asleep. they're tingling I'm like I didn't know.

if I could draw this bow back he's. broadside head to the right but to the. left and I shoot at he like right at 40. yards and I miss behind his butt so I'm. off like six feet at 40 yards and then. end up killing a spike bull so it's just. it's you're just not ready for those the. giant you know but that's where I think. Joel Turner comes into play because I. don't know if he could have helped me I. don't know if he could have helped I. mean at at that time he'd had been like.

give me that bow yeah it probably. wouldn't you you probably weren't. totally ready for that at that moment. but if you have a certain level of. proficiency and a certain amount of. experience in mitigating high pressure. situations then I think you can get. through it right because I I've been. teaching a lot of people to shoot a bow. for the first time on the LIF run shoot. show that I do Joel Turner isn't going. to tell them anything I mean it's like. there's so many Basics you have to get. before that but as you said once you get.

that routine down and you're kind of. more seasoned then I think that can that. close loop open loop then that would. make more sense it was so attractive to. me when I first started shooting a bow I. was like God there are so many you get. lost in this like there's so much going. on just in your yard when just shooting. at a Target there's so much mental and. physical and there's so many things that. have to a line like I have a checklist. that I have on my phone that before I go.

hunting like when I'm on the plane. flying to wh I'm going I look at my. notes on my phone and I go over my. checklist and I bounce it around in my. head process yeah I have a shot process. not like boots sock no no no no no I got. all that that that I'm terrible with too. I just stuff everything in there I'm. like I think I got it all in there um I. really need to organize it like if I was. going to go on like one those take way. more than you need 100% if I was going. to go on like one of those uh. backpacking Mountain hunts where you're. carrying your whole camp on your back. you're walking in for [ __ ] 20 miles.

I'd be the guy that has like the 80 PB. pack because I throwing in extra. batteries and extra broadheads in case. this happens hiding stuff in the bushes. on your way up two knives just in case. you know meanwhile like Adam greenre has. been doing it forever that [ __ ]. saws his toothbrushes in half to cut. weight he's got it down to a science you. would do that one time one time yeah. exactly that's how you learn that. everybody's learned learned that so my. process for packing is just [ __ ]. shove it all in there and mostly likely.

I always have two rangefinders and two. binos in case I drew up something and. you know remember that time we were. hunting in Canada and I broke my rest my. rest snapped but I had a Whisperer. biscuit I was ready I was like Ah that's. good he was being obsessive out there. with his rest just like wrenching on it. for hours and changing and doing all. this and end up stripping something out. because he's like got too crazy on the. rest well it was [ __ ] up on me it was. [ __ ] up the rest wasn't dropping all. the way and so like my arrow was.

catching it like the fletchings were. catching I'm like what the [ __ ] is going. on and then I was like oh look at my. rest it's like slightly up above the. Riser like God damn it some I'm [ __ ]. getting in here and oh no oh no but. whisker biscuits man I know they take a. couple of seconds away from your Feer. said but boy are those [ __ ] easy to. tune oh yeah it's a lot less uh lot less. little stuff that go wrong for sure. [ __ ] high level Hunters still use. whisker biscuits just because they don't.

want to [ __ ] around with anything it's. like for that hunt is perfect you're. going to be shooting at 10 or 20 yards. you know or a or a white tail Hunter. they're shooting at 20 yards so if. you're going to be shooting long. distance a Fletch going through with all. that contact through the through the. whisker basically that's going to impact. long distance well apparently really. impacts it when you have helical yeah. right so if you have straight so helical. for people that are listening there's a. an angle that the fletchings are placed.

in that accentuates this the spinning of. the arrow which makes it more accurate. and you know that's what you want right. so some people don't use that they just. have straight up and down fletchings. which is still good you know you can. still shoot very accurately with. straight up and down fletchings but most. like really good archers prefer a heic. like you have a heic yeah give a little. direction to that energy so the so the. arrow won't PL but that whisker biscuit. accelerates that spin SP makes it. immediate though well it [ __ ] up the. fletchings cuz it's a it's twisting as.

it's going through all that those those. hairs yeah whereas if you have a. straight you know straight Fletching. it's just going to pass through it only. takes a few feet Tim Bernett still hunts. with a whisker biscuit I was watching. one of his YouTube videos I mean that. guy's [ __ ] killed everything he's. been around forever you know solar. Hunter you know um Remy's buddy yeah and. you know he's a really good Hunter and. he uses a whisker biscuit and I was like. this is crazy I mean maybe he's only. using it on this one video that I saw. but I was like there's a lot people that. just go I want to cut just like a lot of. people don't [ __ ] with Mechanicals like.

there too many things that can go wrong. I'm not going to [ __ ] around with it the. last thing I did with mine is I put it. on my fish bow but it won't flow a. fiberglass Arrow I realized too heavy. you know what I'm saying I was like man. this is going to be genius for fish. hunting right but it just the arrow just. goes right through it through the hairs. yeah that looks like a lot of fun like. bow hunting for fish oh I love it man. the problem yeah the problem. is uh. you just get limited to a fish that are. you get Limited in the US you get.

limited to a lot of fish species that. are not as desirable right like gar and. carp and stuff like that down in South. America you're hunting like the best the. best of the best fish. yeah yeah oh but I mean you're hunting. like the most coveted food fish which is. fun cuz I mean how many you know how. many carp do you want we used to do it. when we were kids man we shoot all kind. of cart. but I just you know ain't it wild that. Carper like prized in Europe yeah I know. it doesn't make any sense they like they.

go I should say it doesn't make any. sense that they didn't but I don't know. where we went I don't know how we went. so wrong yeah it's weird right they put. them all over thinking everybody's going. to eat them all the time and just like. did not take off well they ruined Lakes. the where I live on Lake Austin um. there's a buddy of mine who's one of my. neighbors who's a a fisherman and uh he. said man you should have been here. before they brought carp he goes there's. all sorts of vegetation in here and the. bass were everywhere but now goes if you. can get a camera and look at the bottom. of this Lake it looks like the bottom of. a swimming pool there's [ __ ] nothing.

there ter but the fact that it was. intentional there's so many non-native. there's so many invasive species that. were unintentional but the fact that for. the for the most part the common CP was. they were doing everybody a favor I. think they thought they were doing a. favor for rich people on Lake Austin. because I think they wanted people to. have less vegetation so they could take. their boats out got it that's what I. think and that's what he thinks too I. mean I got this from him he was like I. think they just wanted to clean up the. vegetation cuz it was unsightly he goes.

and they [ __ ] this place up cuz he was. uh on a boat and the one when I met him. he was casting under my dock you know. and I went out there and I was like. what's going on man you weren't yelling. at him no I've I've seen that on your. show no I like it I always when I see. those guys and they're always like a. little nervous so I was like how you. doing man man going to yell at me I was. telling this guy like the other day that. there's like this 4pb bass that lives. underneath my dock I go hey man there's. a pretty good bass that lives under. these Dock and he's like really I go. yeah go ah fish it man I started talking.

to him but this my friend Allan shout. out to Allan who's my neighbor he. catches all he catches is Big Bass he. goes I don't even try for he uses a big. ass [ __ ] rala he has like one of. those jointed rapalas and it's like. [ __ ] 6 Ines long he's like I don't. even [ __ ] around he goes I just want big. bass cuz there's there's like 15 16. pound bass in that Lake who and so he he. catches some big ones he he sends me. some Whoppers M Defenders the eight-year. effort to bring vegetation back to Lake. Austin yeah that's.

it yeah they [ __ ] it up they [ __ ] it. up there's still good bass there mhm let. me show you like what Allan catches he's. catches some big ass [ __ ] bass in my. where we used to me and Roy used to be. addicted to carp hunting because we'd go. they'd be spawning in the spring after. we poured concrete he had a construction. company we'd pour concrete then we'd go. and go try to get carp for bear bait MH. before they outlawed it in '94 in Oregon. we'd get carp catch these giant carp.

have a wheelbarrow car get them all back. put them in a like a 55 gallon drum put. the lid on it and then we'd make stink. so we'd call we needed some stink to get. the bear bait going cuz if you got that. rotten carp in a in a gunny sack and you. put it way up a tree where they couldn't. get it that stink smell would go for. five miles down the draw and then all. the bear would come in right so I just. remember it's one time we had in that. bunch buch of carp and 55 gallon drum. after a while that kind of builds.

pressure we didn't weren't really. thinking about this so we go to take. that lid off and it freaking explodes. and this [ __ ] smells so I mean. maggots uh carps rotten carp exploded. all over us have you ever seen those. videos of when whales explode on beaches. when they well I see when they blow them. up this is when Allan just caught this. in front of my house the other day God. dang that's giant. yeah he catches some big ass bass a real. nice fish man yeah I think that get be.

interested in bass fishing yeah he. catches a lot here's another one he just. got whenever he catches one he sends it. to me yeah we're homies now those are a. big fit but yeah that's the the weird. thing is the dock thing like I encourage. it I'm I'm happy when I see people like. I love all manner of outdoor activities. I would never want someone to not fish. near my dock that's like so stupid yeah. I think I think it's it's a repulsive. Behavior it's repulsive yeah it's not. it's not your it's it's a dock like let. people fish you should talk to them. they're your friends like wouldn't you.

do it if you didn't have a dock and. there was a dock and you knew the fish. hang out under the dock wouldn't you. fish there yeah so what the [ __ ] is. wrong with you yeah so it's or it's like. well you're going to have to move your. dock cuz there's a fish under there. that not going to fish more but uh this. uh this is the the situation where. that's where they go they go where it's. shade they go where they can Ambush and. they they all go under docks and you. know hanging trees and anything they can. get because they [ __ ] it up with carp. yeah I was living in Seattle for a while.

and there's uh we would fish Smallmouth. and and perch and stuff and the thing. Lake Washington which is like right. downtown and there's this I was in this. neighborhood where they have these. apartment buildings that are on pilings. so there's just full on apartment. buildings out over the water built on. peers and they would cast shadows and. fish would collect there and you'd you'd. be in a boat man and you're like like. besides being out in some dude's front. yard under their dock you're fishing.

where you're you're right here almost. looking into the window you know of. someone eating breakfast but your your. cast right there which felt much more. intimate and kind of creepy yeah that's. weird that that felt weird weirder than. you know like I said where you got a. house than a yard than a dock like. that's not weird but you could get where. you could basically like awkwardly wave. at someone in their bathroom while. you're trying to fish yeah just don't. make eye contact sitting there taking a.

[ __ ] looking out the window yeah the the. the the the dock thing is a weird one. man it's a weird one because I I get it. if you're not a fisherman and you're. just some [ __ ] that just doesn't want. anybody near your house what they're. going to tell you what they always tell. you is that some guy's going to take a. lead head jig and Chip the paint chip. the paint on the boat ding the dock like. that's their claim. okay is it they're they're going to. whack your whack your stuff with a lead.

head jig I feel like that's the same as. if you're driving Offroad like and you. you're worried about Pebbles we got to. get these [ __ ] Pebbles out of here. like you're you're driving off road yeah. be like well don't put your stuff out. over the public water yeah and what are. you doing a boat's not a car man like. it's a boat it's supposed to get. scratched up a little you don't want. your boat scratched up a little some. people don't no what the [ __ ] I don't. get it you know what I'm saying like if. you got like if you're on a ranch and.

you got those stripes on the down the. side of your truck Arona pin like that's. kind of cool you break it in yeah that's. what you do when it's new you got you. kind of want that I kind of want that I. I like a car that's been [ __ ] used. you know yeah well you have 20 cars so I. do even if I didn't I'm pretty sure. that's how I think you know uh I was. thinking uh I was thinking about your. shot you know I think that that helps. when you do the elbow because when you. get that elbow right you're pulling hard.

against that back wall a lot of people. creep on their shot like they'll get. they'll aim and everything's going good. they're pulling hard and then as they're. aiming they're kind of relaxing oh and. then that cam is kind of rolling over. it's called creeping that'll throw off. your shot so I think when you think of. that elbow consciously it makes you. think of pulling hard against that wall. which that's where the bow performs best. Kyle Douglas pulls so hard that he's. made bows break yeah he's broken bows. like pulling into the back wall P I.

never thought about what you're saying. but it makes good sense I think that's. what it helps you Kyle Douglas who's a. [ __ ] like one of the best of the best. yeah I that changed my shot quite a bit. when I started pulling really hard. against the wall really hard you know I. pull [ __ ] hard I have that locked in. and um it also changed when I stopped. using a resistance uh attention uh. release cuz Dudley had me on uh what's. called a silver back which is I think. one of the best methods for learning how. to shoot because you have a safety You.

Pull and then the it's all tension based. so when you have the safety on you could. pull it hard and then when you release. the safety you just pull a little more. and it goes off and you could set it to. like two three lbs whatever the amount. of difference like say if you have a 70. lb bow you set it to 72 pound or. whatever it is at you know when you're. at um you know full draw whatever the. you know the drop off is. so they have this resistance setting. where you can you you tweak it in your.

yard at like you know five yards or. you're right in front of the Target and. you get it to the point where it's at. the back wall and then you just pull a. little more and it snaps and breaks and. it makes her perfect release and I use. that forever but then when I really. started pulling hard in the back wall I. was making it go off when I didn't want. it to go off and then when I switched. releases then I'm like oh that's. definitely the most because you're much. more steady when you're like when I'm. [ __ ] locked out I'm locked out like. I'm engaged in my back when I'm shooting. at something I am everything is locked.

out you know and I find that to be way. more stable is is your front elbow. locked out my front elbow is locked out. yeah I mean I used to bend it I used to. bend it a little but then I was. listening to this one guy and he said if. you were going to lean against something. and want to be totally stable wouldn't. you lock your arm out if you're leaning. against a wall and you want it to be. completely rigid I was like oh that. makes total sense no that's when you. want strength you're it's bent like if. you fall you're not you're not falling.

like this you're falling falling right. yeah but and if when you're like. benching like when you have strength. like that it's not locked out though. you're stronger yeah think of trying to. push your think about when your buddy's. car gets stuck and you're trying to help. them push you're not locked out right. but that's strength I'm not looking for. strength I'm looking for stability yeah. I mean I have plenty of strength the. strength is not the issue the the thing. is for me is if I'm locked out that's. less movement I'm completely lock I've. never I mean I'm not saying you know. it's so there's a very I'm anything but. a I'm anything but a competitive Archer.

but yeah I've never heard that in my. life Dudley doesn't agree with it most. like I I just I know this well I shoot. with it bent we teach everybody to have. it a little bit bent but Wayne always. references this poster of these Premier. ho ho Shooters and they all have the. exact same form and they're all slightly. bent yeah oh man I find I find myself. better when I'm locked out Hey listen. the thing is if it works for you yeah. who gives a [ __ ] what anybody else says. because everybody says I anchor wrong.

with my thumb behind my neck so it's. like you know it whatever if the that. doesn't make any sense to me if the. arrows going where it's supposed to that. the the the the the problem with the. thumb behind the neck makes no sense to. me that seems to me to be way better. because if you're anchored behind your. neck that's one more part of contact and. that's one more thing that's locked in. you're like completely rigid that thumb. only has that much give and then it's. behind your neck I would do if my neck. wasn't so big I keep needing to see what. all this. is see that doesn't seem crazy no well.

you see cam do it cam he gets his. [ __ ] thumb behind his head and the. reason why and your thumb's looking for. a little spot probably too kind of yeah. now I just I don't even think about it. but um how it used to be back in the day. when we started everybody like there was. 30in bows 29in bows and that's about it. draw length so mine. 272 I just had like a bow that was way. too long so I'm just like this and. that's where it started oh you're just. looking for something something I'm like.

God I'm trying to like why guys do that. behind the neck and they'll tell you not. to do it I do not understand the logic. don't do it we started because the bow. the draw length thing people weren't. really fitting bows to the shooter at. that time right it was just like here's. the bow here's what we got good luck and. that's what we do it's like your. brother's bow or whatever you who. somebody gave it to you but it's funny. um call hearkening back to the old days. I just had wadell on the show so me. Wayne and wadell were shooting at the. bow rack and we all have still trigger.

releases you know like nowadays the cool. thing is the handheld right right but. we're all old school still shooting you. know like my w SP wi guy just a trigger. release like that and and we were. shooting pretty dang good we had a. shooting contest all in the x's and I. said let's get a picture of these. releases because it's kind of a novelty. now it's like just the old guys shoot. those well there's still real good. competitive archers like inham. Gillingham is one of the greatest of all. time and he uses a trigger you know and.

he'll tell you and the way he says it he. goes this thing about Target Panic he. goes it's all just a mental weakness. he's like when you're looking at a. Target mean obviously he's like one of. the best of the best is it's a different. animal but he's like when you're looking. at a Target like if you're practicing in. your yard you can do it right you can. hit it and not flinch he's like it's a. mental weakness that's all it is and. he's like I prefer to command fire he. goes I know when that pin is over there. Target and I can stay steady and Let It. Go but he's got all kinds of wild wacky.

releases he has he he's always tinkering. with [ __ ] so he has weird releases that. are like six inches long and then you're. like leaning forward and pulling like he. gets it in his head modern stuff yeah. modern stuff but he he adjusts his he's. got some weird ones man where you look. at the like extended releases like he's. got a lot of wacky like I wouldn't want. to emulate it unless you were him he's. also a [ __ ] giant six foot six dude. and you know it's like he's got crazy. long he's shot so much he has a crease.

in his nose swear to God from the string. I that's good I know guys that wore. Groove in their teeth cut fish line you. know same thing he's got that just where. that string sits it's like a crease yeah. shot a lot of arrows I like I like a. handheld cuz I've been doing handhelds. for so long but uh when I'm a here I. practice with your release in my range I. I have the wise guy I think for hunting. I think it's I think for just controlled. situations where you got all day I think. the handheld's the way to go in an.

animal you have to do command sometimes. sometimes you do you have to punch the. [ __ ] out of that trigger and I've killed. a lot of animals doing it yeah sometimes. if you can keep it together there's. moments where you like you got to shoot. now you can't wait for the hinge to. break right yeah I there's certain thing. I remember taking one of those home and. messing with it and I had the same I had. the same feeling um I had when my neew. was trying to explain chess like the. game of chess to me where I was like.

that's pretty cool realistically I'm not. gonna right I'm not g to figure this out. I admire it I'm not I took that that. attention thing out in my yard yeah. uhhuh and after a couple minutes I'm. like are you honestly I'm going back to. CH are you honestly going to figure this. out and I was like at my age as much as. I shoot I'm just not gonna and I went. back and I just and so I shoot a a. trigger and I'll shoot that trigger till. I'm dead you shoot the same Trigger he.

does you shoot the wise guy yeah that's. a good one too because it's hot you're. not yanking on it and pulling it and. there's not a lot of like weird movement. like when you touch that [ __ ] it's. going off yeah there's certain yeah that. uh there's a type of trap called a. mb750 that release it just seems like. really nice to little mechanical. Contraptions like I just like it it's. like you pull it's like it's so like tin. yeah so clean yeah well I like I use a. thumb trigger now I've been using a. thumb trigger the last few years and.

I'll still use a hinge too you know I. like a hinge too because there's. something about a hinge where I hear. that click and I know okay here we go. and that keeps me in the moment so I. hear that I pull I hear that click I'm. like okay everything keep the shot. process going and then it goes off but. the problem with that is when it's windy. like the one of the things that I found. especially like hunting at toone you. know how windy it gets up there and. those when you're trying to punch as it. drifts over you can't do it you got to. you have to have a trigger you have to.

you have to be able to control fire. occasionally but you but it helps you to. have that process of recognizing that a. a surprise shot is important at least an. element of surprise where it's not like. now but it's like just go to the I can. you know with a thumb trigger you can. make it go off but you can also have it. surprise so to me that's the best of. both worlds but that's a strange. situation to being when you're thinking. the next time that pin blows over that. Target I'm going to punch.

yeah that's what happens to some people. the mind [ __ ] of Target Panic is crazy. when you hear about people that can't. get the pin on the target they can hold. like 6 in under the target but once they. rise up to the Target like yeah. everything starts getting shaky my body. wants to put that pin my body wants to. put that pin just to the left ooh mhm. yeah well that's I don't know why cuz I. think I don't want to obstruct yeah you. want to see that it's so I got to when I. bring it up like if I bring a Crosshair.

on something the Crosshair is going to. go if I bring the pin up it's going to. want to sit just left so I can still. look and then I got to go like now I'm. going to bring it over where it belongs. you know what's the greatest thing of. all time it has some problems but it's. the greatest thing of all time and I. know they're going to eventually work. this out is that Garmin release do you. saw that one that I was using last year. the site I stopped using yeah Garin site. excuse me I stopped using it because I I. had some problems ranging things. but damn it when it works it's a clear. window with a just a a LED dot a red dot.

with a pistol it's [ __ ] magic It's. Magic because there's no obstruction you. just put that pin right where it is you. can see through the pin because it's an. LED it's amazing but it's just there's. some problems with ranging like when I'm. in my yard and I'm at 74 yards I know. it's 74 yards and but I'll put that pin. on I had hit the the button and then. it'll say 67 85 73 I'm like what the.

[ __ ] and I'm like I can't I can't have. this mind [ __ ] and so last year I. stopped using it and I went oh I stopped. using it because when we went to Utah. they made it illegal so I didn't I I. hunted a full day with that release and. luckily didn't shoot anything and then. we went back and then Colton said you. know I I think that's illegal here like. I don't think you didn't hunt you just. practiced well I definitely didn't shoot. anything no but I did go out with it I. didn't even go to full draw but I didn't. go out with it luckily I found out like.

imagine I was thinking imagine if you. killed something you photo with that and. you didn't know cuz the year before I. had shot my they changed it in April. yeah and it's just you know some little. change in the law that yeah that I. didn't know about yeah it's a dumb. change because it only makes it more. effective and it's not easier it's just. you're more ethical like yeah but. there's a they I. mean it's a. yeah but the states are going to H like. they have to try to like play the. technology game because they just have.

to I agree to a certain extent but if. you're going to allow rangefinders why. do you allow rangefinders because you. don't want people guessing yeah well. there's a lot of guessing when you're. Gap pinning there's a lot of guessing. when an animal you range an animal at 50. yards and then he takes three or four. steps there's a lot of guessing you know. and you're just going to hold high or. you going to do so with the the Garmin. all you do is just press that button. again and you get a new pin and it's. perfect and the other thing about the. Garment that's really fantastic is if.

you can't range like say if you're at 20. or you're you're at 40 yards and you. range him and then he he walks out and. you're pretty sure it's like 50 or 60. you can also press a button and you get. a full range of pins so you get 20 30. you get five LED lights M you know. instead of just one so there there's an. advantage of that too so if you're in a. situation like we were at when we were. rattling and the Bucks just come running. in and you know that's 20 yards or 30. yards like you just pull it up and you.

got your pins Y and you can do that or. if you're at 60 you like I shot the Neel. guy you can hold it and then you get a. pin that's what it looks like MH it's. the [ __ ] but it just makes me nervous. they're just trying to protect what. they'll say is the Primitive Integrity. of archery yeah it's still pretty. primitive you're still using a. rangefinder it's just a range F that's. Incorporated they're also trying to. imagine where it's going like you'll see. some level of Herky jerkiness and and as. they bring in regulations as they try to.

like get a sense of what's coming. because if you wait too long on certain. Technologies you develop a user group. and then you develop a level of. resistance like like think the second. drones the second drones became a. thing it was like immediate like 13. states nope yeah and in the end you kind. of be like why is it even on your mind. in the end if you look where it's gone. in the end they made the right call yeah.

in Open Country they made the right call. yeah other things I think that you might. look and try to like picture where it's. headed and then maybe come back and. correct like there was a time I remember. the first time Montana came out with. anything about two-way Communications it. was no two-way Communications in the. field the first year and people like H. if I'm hunting with my 13-year-old and. my 80y old dad I can't give them a radio. so that they have a problem they can get. a hold of me and they're like oh yeah I.

guess we didn't really mean that and the. next year there's a modification and the. next year's a modification as they try. to like gauge what's going on but I. think that as Technologies come in. there's a tendency. to to want to pump the brakes to. ascertain what's going on like look how. long some states waited on on trail cams. yes right and like no one when cams came. out no one imagined they would be. cellular right or that you'd run that.

you that you'd run 40 or every water. hole would have 50 different dudes that. have Trail Camp transmitting immediate. information and so then you got to then. you develop a big user group and you. develop a big resistance and it just. becomes a much different conversation so. I think that in those cases where you. see a sort. of you'll see a thing that doesn't. entirely make too much sense um I think. that's part of the the Gamble and. struggle at getting it right another. thing is like a thing I think is winning. out is they used to say well you can't.

have dogs hunting deer of course and. then people been like but I want a. recovery dog like I don't the dog. doesn't do any good until I've already. wounded the thing and once I've wounded. it like why would you do anything to. impede me getting it back right and. they've kind of are settling in on a. yeah you can't run deer with a dog in. most States but they're coming around to. saying but for recovery you can track a. wounded deer with a dog and so you have. there's there's a you know there's a.

sort of compromise get struck or even a. dead deer where you can't find it like. heavy heavy Timber oh yeah yeah that. yeah that that's where it's but used. some states you know used be you have to. have it on a leash but whatever but. coming around being like yeah we meant. you can't hunt deer with a dog right we. didn't mean you shouldn't be able to. find a wounded or dead deer with a dog. and they make a gradual correction well. that's also the first step they do to. Outlaw mountainline hunting right no. mountain line hunting with dogs and as. soon as you do that that's coming from a.

completely different right that's coming. from a completely different agenda yes. that's not trying to help Hunters out. that's trying to screw Hunters I just. don't some some of them I don't. understand like lighted knocks that's to. me is the dumbest one it's like look. lighted knocks allow you to more clearly. see your impact and find the arrow so. you're not littering so instead of like. an arrow just alone in the woods you see. that green light in the distance and you. could find it you know that one doesn't. make a ton of sense to me I I wonder if. someone if in in defining the.

legislation there's a little bit of a. what else is going to be on an arrow. that's electronic I don't know well they. are doing something like that now where. there's like there's there's talk of. like Bluetooth technology they have that. yeah and so and so is it utilized now. yeah I mean that's been out for years so. you find the arrow with an app and so. what they would say that if somebody's. just going to shoot an animal excuse me. in the ass just get an arrow stuck in it.

so you where it is then they'll find it. you know like so is it going to is it. going to perpetuate shitty unethical. shots like if I can just get a piece of. it I'm good I'll just track it yeah like. a whale you know like you put a harpoon. in a whale and Chas Oregon was Oregon. was very late on allowing mechanical. heads and lighted KNX I mean it was just. recently that's why I was like fixed. blade forever because. home I couldn't even shoot expandable so. Oregon Idaho they were pretty late. coming to the game on the electronics.

cuz they call a lighted not electronic. and that was and I still don't think. Garmin sites are even legal in Oregon. there's like 10 states so I think. they're illegal at least yeah but Utah. it's interesting that they did it this. year yeah so yeah I know they change but. it might be the what Steve was alluding. to it's like you try to course correct. or they didn't want to get too far down. the road before they tried to come back. because because that user group was. established yeah and we'd been doing it.

and now they have this you know they. fight back on that yeah I just think all. it does is allow you to make more. ethical shots that's all I think that A. Rang finding site does I mean but they. could say that well rifle hunting is. more ethical than bow hunting so why do. we need to bow hunt you know what I mean. right well you could also Outlaw. traditional bow hunting then because. that's just all guess work yeah a large. part of it. cam already alluded to this a large part. of it is is protecting a desire to.

protect archery. Seasons as you know you can kind of hold. them out as low. Harvest limited efficacy High. opportunity hunts right and a state will. run a bow season and then they'll get. then the general firearm and then. everybody gets down to the real serious. business of killing and you can look at. the archery Harvest and the archery. Harvest winds up in comparison being I. don't want to say negligible but in.

comparison it's just it's it's a blip in. the Harvest and so the desire to you. know limit bringing in crossbow certain. Technologies is be like let's keep it. simple traditional low efficacy low. Harvest and then allow for greater. length of seasons and greater. opportunity and if you get to and I Know. It seems impossible but if you can use.

technology to get it up where your. Harvest rates really start to spike. you're going to have the same thing you. run into in other areas where you start. being like okay we got to limit the. opportunity pool yeah because these guys. are too good you know if if you look at. like a general raw number is is just. generally an archery El Hunter well has. a 10% chance of success yeah just it. fluctuates but like generally a 10%. chance of success if that became. 2030 you're going to pay for it somehow.

right you know you're going to pay for. it somehow that's that's what you know a. lot of detractors of archery will say I. and I don't want to I I mentioned. earlier that uh maybe you just eliminate. bow hunting if you want to be you know. more efficient with the killing just. make it rifle I I believe archery is. just as deadly and just as ethical as. rifle hunting I I I believe that that's. way to go certainly is for you I I don't. I don't want to but the success rate is. lower to Steve's point and it's uh what.

what the guys back home have said the. detractors of bow hunting is that the. and this could just be old boy talk the. bow Hunters are killing all the big. bulls because I haven't heard that one. they're rutting we can call them in. we're getting Prime rut time and so and. it's you kind of get lulled into this. trap especially with social media that. you're thinking God is everybody killing. a [ __ ] giant bull that's what you see. these long range Shooters man with the.

you mean yeah these long range rifle. guys are taking 700 800 yard shots and. they're really good at it know what's. crazy I I don't even rifle hunt I mean I. haven't rifle hunted since ' 89 you're. missing. out but I took I took uh cat Bradley I. know we talked about it before to get. her first buck in Oregon and so my buddy. Kevin had the Sig gun she was going to. shoot and it's all good but this this. other guy he reminded me of uh God.

remember Mark wallberg in that movie. where he was like this recluse uh lived. up in the Mounds and not boogie kns no. not boogie kns yeah no he didn't have oh. yeah uh damn it go on good movie so they. wanted there somebody was going to. assassinate the president they tried to. get him because he was this ballistic. expert they wanted to get him to tell. him where they'd kill him from anyway. they yeah right here shooter. so anyway this guy down there where we. took cat reminded me of Mark or no not.

mark this old guy he went to talk to. that knew the history of anyway he had. these guns set up in this in this uh. steel out there at 990 yards and I can I. can shoot but I never shoot I haven't. done it in years and I was just like I. go how far is that far one he's like 990. and I'm like what do you got here. that'll shoot and so he had this [ __ ]. sweet setup right got up set up got. there first shot out of this gun um had.

the wind gauge up there and I'm like. okay wind's going here I'm going to hold. on the left side of the steel boom 990. yards first shot smacked it and I'm like. I [ __ ] never shoot right right I can. hit this this steel this big at 990. yards so to your to your point about. this long range thing that's changing. the game too oh yeah people want to talk. about archeries evolving and getting too. far ahead of ourselves God dang these. longrange rifle guys my kids can shoot. steel at distances that we didn't know.

you that when I was a kid you didn't. know you could shoot 300 yards was a. long way when I was the farthest shot. you could take was across that corn. field 300 yard corn was down you were. like a great shooter if you could hit. anything at 300 yeah oh that was the. yeah well now everybody has shooting. sticks and the you know bipods and all. sorts of different things that used to. set up to make them more stable we had. or prone oh yeah I mean those yeah a.

bipod wasn't even a thing when I started. rifle hunting it's like you had a sling. you could put your arm in there a little. bit and that might help a little bit but. you're off hand offand still yeah so I. mean when we kill Blacktail it's like. you if you get you don't want to be past. a 100 you imagine if they they said with. rifle hunting no more prone. shots wello easy no I don't think they. would they would approach it a different. way they wouldn't approach it that way. well they would start with bipods right. if someone wanted to no they would it.

would probably. Co see I hesitate to say anything so I. don't want to give anyone anyone anyone. ideas but if you were going to try like. I can't even think if you were going to. try to. regulate well I'll put it to you this. way so we have muzzle loader Seasons. okay a lot of states have musle loader. seasons and just very generally a. state's big game hunt would go archery. then General firearm and you go into. late season muzzle loader and states. will regulate muzzle loaders down to.

whether you have um what powder okay so. loose powder P or pellets they'll. regulate it down to open sights or no. open sight they'll regulate it down to. whether you have a projectile that's. true to boore or in case in a in a. little case in called a sabbot. um what other kind of stuff they throw. at you meaning they really like nitpick.

your gear they're like in some cases. they're like rifles now ignition they. they'll regulate ignition systems some. cases they break it down to completely. primitive muzzle Lo that's what I'm. saying so there's nothing like so it. they do have the power in the not the. power that's not the right word for they. do have the ability to come in and. really nitpick your. gear right write down to weird stuff. that you'd have to that you could have. people not even know what the hell. you're talking about when you say true. to bore projectile but you just that.

hasn't come. into that hasn't come into General. firearm and in fact I can't really think. of anything out there. besides you can't use anything that. projects light like a laser laser yeah. yeah yeah so like projecting you see. regulations around projecting light and. I think there's some regulations about. the scope can't have Electronics in it.

meaning lighted reticles I think in some. states you can't have lighter reticles. but so far you haven't seen that real. you haven't seen a real nitpicking of. long range rifle equipment I don't even. know where you'd start man I don't that. they would regulate the the. magnification that they would somehow. regulate laser range finders imagine. they regulate distance just you can't. shoot over blank distance yeah I don't. know it be it' be a real pause if. someone was tasked with figuring out how. to rain. in uh I would pay a lot of attention to.

that cuz I guar whatever they come up. with the [ __ ] I use well in that case. with shooting the 990 it reminded me of. run you do all the calculations on your. phone I mean it's and then you set the. scope to whatever this says right you. know like the scope has just not just. magnification but also like you're. changing the zero of it so but you're. doing it based on the distance based on. the load based on everything else goes. into the phone the wind was not not the. greatest because you could check the.

wind at the gun but when you're a th000. yards so that's why you needed that flag. out there but to to set the scope on to. hold right on that's all done on the. phone on a on an app or something so. crazy let's go back to talking about bow. Hunters killing all the big stuff yeah I. know it's those bastards yeah I honestly. haven't heard I've heard everything I. haven't heard that so that's I get it. the rut and but again it's you know. social media it makes it seem like for. anybody that people are everyone.

successful everyone's killing bulls and. it's just not the case it's just not. success rate is still 10% on on bulls. with a well not even just Bulls elk with. a bow well social media has just [ __ ]. up our perceptions of everything. people's bodies of people's faces. filters but in September God it does. seem like everybody's getting a big Mega. bull don't it well there's so many. people with Instagram accounts and. everybody can't wait to post those. photos yeah it's uh you know I was when.

I asked what year that was I I've seen. some graphs on on Hunting oh that sorry. yeah that buck um and I've SE some. graphs on hunting and I you know we all. get blamed for a lot of ills that. probably we don't deserve of in regard. to hunting but I saw this graph talking. about the hunters you know 50 years ago. there's this many hunters and right. around. 2015 I mean it was plummeting the number.

of the on the graph I saw the number of. hunters was Plum just going straight. down and then I was trying to like is. that when you started coming in and we. talk about hunting here and then now. it's you know maybe there's a little bit. of an up I know there's an uptick from. where it was going but I was thinking it. I think it's a down tick now right now. it's a down now after the co now it's. going back down but if you look at the. graph that I saw before you started. talking about hunting who knows where. the hell would' be if you follow that.

line down to where it was going there'd. be no hunters from 2015 to 2024 it's. like it was I don't I don't know where. this graph was but it's uh I don't know. well it just makes sense I mean think. about the amount of millions of people. that have been exposed to talking about. hunting now that never exposed yeah so. it's not just oh yeah hunting's in a. more healthy spot because we do need. Hunters to to Champion our cause right.

but it's not just that oh that's good. but imagine without that where we'd be. MH I once saw a graph it was a not a. graph it was a whatever the hell diagram. or something and it showed in. Michigan average age of fur Trappers. people that held a fur Harvester license. the average age every year of someone. holding a fur Harvester license license. actually went up one. year no one knew it's like these same.

people and they're just you know I mean. how many new people are getting into. trapping that have never trapped some. God it's got to be small not like it is. when fur prices shoot up right yeah well. that's different right yeah but super. small man no super super small and then. anytime yeah fur price is Skyrocket then. it brings people in if fur prices are. low it's just. no one one of the things you told me. once that blew me away was at one point. in time the richest man in the country. was a beaver Trapper Yeah well yeah.

beaver John Jacob Aster yeah that's. crazy yeah that that was the most. precious commodity was beavers mhm yeah. I mean you talked about Colorado man. that's a it's a crazy time right now. because there they are there is that. measure out there I I don't I think it's. a ballot measure but it's uh yeah where. they're trying to they're calling they. want to label lion hunting as trophy. hunting and L there's a there's a guy. there who's very passionate he's been.

doing a lot of good work his name is Dan. gates with Colorado for responsible. wildlife management for people listening. don't know where're talking about we. should say Mountain Line Mountain line. yeah well all they say Mountain line. bobcat and then links they throw in. links which you can't hunt for anyways. yeah it's not even to create this idea. that yeah it's not even legal but they. love putting this trophy hunting moniker. out there because it's really easy to. hate trophy hun M right which isn't even. legal you can't even they make it I read. this article from Colorado sun or.

something like that where it's like they. want to eliminate people who kill. mountain lions and just go cut their. head off and just take the TR it's like. who [ __ ] does that nobody does that. but nobody does that people who don't. know think oh my God that's despicable. what's how this we to serve them some. Mountain line well what the yeah what. the what the aim here is. that. is the attempt to create a legal term. the the the attempt to create trophy. hunting as a legal term when you have a.

ballot. measure both sides argue about the. language like when when voters going. what are they going to read obviously. you could write any ballot if you could. just write the ballot initiative how you. wanted to you'd win every time but. people got to debate the wording that's. what they did with the wolf thing did. you did you read the wolf thing I never. actually read it I couldn't even I. couldn't even tell what was four wolves. and what wasn't oh it's like what the I. don't even know which one I'm against it. was like forcing it was it was should.

the state does the state need to. implement a reintroduction uh Discovery. effort or something like that and this. is this they're trying to the debate. comes around to can you say trophy. hunting yeah in a ballot measure because. if they can if you can set the precedent. if you can use that it what a great tool. because people are going to say oh I. don't agree with that you know I don't. agree with that kind of hunting right um.

which uh would have widespread. implications. because um as demonstrated here with. this deer here uh there's a lot of parts. of it that I don't throw away and I keep. sitting around yeah so is this a trophy. or is it an emblem or what the hell is. it right but if I kept it does that mean. that I'm now captured under year. definition right right yeah what is. trophy hunting yeah yeah and then the. bringing in the Wolves thing is pretty.

wild because there's no precedent they. really don't understand like oh there's. precedent with obviously with Montana. Idaho Frank Church Yellowstone but long. term I mean we've only been since the. 1990s like there's a reason why they. eradicated wolves it's I don't agree. with it but when you have ranchers and. you have all these people that they're. living is based entirely on the stock. that they have and whether or not they. make money enough to keep their Farm.

running or not is depending upon how. many animals they bring to Market and. then you have wolves and you just bring. in Wolves yeah well so there's a if if I. got the tin foil hat on they want to. eliminate hunting I mean they they want. to eliminate hunting and ranching so. they don't care about ranchers losing. their animals they would love people. just to be 100% consumers relying on the. government so they can control them they. say here's your food here's what you're. getting you're getting it from us you're.

not out there hunting it for yourself. they hate Hunters if I was thinking. about you know the governor of Colorado. which is polus his husband is. anti-hunting yeah it's he's an animal. rights activist that's where all this is. coming from so but if you look at the. bigger picture. Hunters they cannot stand Hunters are. usually capable. um. confident uh you know they have a skill. set you can't control people like that.

they want PE government wants people. they can control that'll be afraid when. they're supposed to be afraid wear this. mask when we tell you get this shot when. we tell you here's you you get your food. from the store here here it is and. Hunter I think there's certainly an. element of that Hunters are the opposite. of that yeah I think there's certainly. an element of that but I think it really. all boils down to people that love. animals they I I definitely detect that. there's a complete disinterest in what. Hunters think about it and they think. that that for someone to come in and.

argue um by doing this Wildlife measure. you're. impacting like you would like this. animal on the landscape for viewing. pleasure MH um I like certain animals on. the landscape. for hunting consumption eating whatever. and there's a conflict here. where by doing this you're going to. lower by increasing your likelihood of. having viewer pleasure you're having a a.

potentially really negative impact on my. use of Natural Resources I think that. they would look at you as though you. don't have a that you're ridiculous or. evil or don't have a point in saying. that you want to control um you want to. limit predation on a resource you rely. on and they they don't accept that as a. reality. uh it's it I I I haven't encountered a. lot of like really really.

forceful wolf Advocates that. are serious Hunters there is a there's a. trend there you know the thing that that. that bothered me about the bothered me. most about the Colorado reintroduction. is that while the ballot measure was. going forward wolves showed up on their. own mhm I would have imagine even if I. was on and and I'm not anti-wolf but uh. when they showed up on their. own I don't even know if it's legally.

possible I would have halted that whole. thing because the social friction is so. much less if they walk in on their own. yeah uh Diane Boyd who is the Montana. wolf specialist for many years um she. even and came to believe in. hindsight that the the Idaho Montana. reintroductions. ultimately would have been unne. ultimately were unnecessary and that you. would have gradually achieved the same. thing with Wolves walking in on their.

own and had a very different societal. perception of what was going on people. would look at it as a natural like a. natural dispersal a natural occurrence. and not a government action right yeah. but I think they wanted that pumping. circumstance like polus was there I. think when they released the wol with a. big stupid smile on his face yeah they. they all the biologists all had this. like what are we doing and he was like. Yay yeah they wanted right they wanted.

that you know and if they knew the truth. of how nature balances itself it doesn't. really balance it over you Predators. kill way too many prey animals because. there is no tag limits they're not like. for example they talk about trophy. hunting Lions to or mountain lions to. hunt in Colorado you have to take it's. very regulated you take this test so you. learn how to identify a Tom and a female. you learned how to age a little bit you. know based on the coloring you learned. you know what size a track so there's. you have to go through this before you.

hunt and the whole quota system the quot. like yeah so the quota where I was in. the unit I was hunting was uh 34 Lions. every night after 5 you call in to see. what the where we're at when I got there. it was at 31 I was there for six days it. was up to uh it was 34 was the limit it. was up to 33 so one more lion could get. killed and then it's done so it's not. like it what happens if like you kill at. the same you're in the woods no signal. and someone else kills two until it hits.

36 it could that's why you check in's. there's a window after five yeah so I. think I think they usually click in like. a 24-hour clock or maybe they might have. been immediate I don't know it was they. have you have 48 hours to turn it in. there and um but anyway point is you're. not over harvesting you know the the. estimate goes up to as high as 7,000. Mountain lines in Colorado probably may. maybe 5,000 but in the whole state. Hunters are allowed to kill. 450 and they've been doing this and it's.

not like they're out there killing. mountain lions cutting their heads off. no regard for the numbers wiping them. out it's so regulated you know you don't. have to call and and uh report your deer. and Elk but lions are like a whole. another level as far as control and. think about that quota system if you. have a horrific snowstorm. that pushes all kinds of deer and Elk. out of High Country and like everybody. in his brother like a perfectly timed. snowstorm and everybody his brother is.

just piling up deer and El they don't go. uhoh shut it down yeah they sit back and. they'll go like wow yeah motherload what. a harvest yeah but with lions they would. they would come in and go oh done yeah. yeah but they gotta it's a it's a. perpetual motion machine where they've. had these they've had a really healthy. stable. population uh minimum Harvest yeah that. just goes on it's under 10% the thing.

that we should talk about when when it. comes to these uh reintroduction of. predators which listen I I [ __ ] love. wolves I mean if you look out here I. have all these photos of wolves. longdistance photos of wolves I'm happy. that they exist I think they're [ __ ]. amazing probably my favorite on my wall. in my living room they're probably my. favorite animal I just think they're the. [ __ ] coolest animal of all time I. really do I just look in their eyes. photos of them if I come across photos. on my Instagram I'm always like holy. [ __ ] look at that thing they're.

Majestic um but their numbers have to be. managed and as uncomfortable as that. sounds for people Wildlife biologists. they have an understanding of the. carrying capacity and the resources of. the land they understand how many. Hunters there are they understand how. many that's how tags are allocated yeah. it's not a guessing game yeah the way. people need to understand this is like. they've they've done this for a long. time these people have you know. painstakingly researched these numbers.

they know exactly what they're doing but. when it comes to this game of. reintroduction of animals the first step. is they say there's a carrying capacity. for the amount of wolves this is the. number when it gets to that we will. agree to open up a season on Wolf. hunting but every time that happens. there's lawsuits and there's lawsuits to. try to stop that hunt and then the. wolves get larger and larger and then. you have larger and larger populations I. was looking at a graph the other day. where they showed reintroduction of.

wolves to Yellowstone the amount of elk. that existed and now the amount of. wolves versus the amount of elk and it's. pretty shocking it's a giant drop and. they're so good at hunting they're. they're [ __ ] amazing but hunting. wolves is insanely difficult it's really. hard to do they're really [ __ ] smart. they're really aware their senses are. light years beyond what we could even. physically imagine an animal to be. capable of doing in our minds like we we.

know that deer I remember I was watching. an episode of your your show where uh. bear winded you guys like [ __ ] 500. yards or something like it's incredible. their their noses are [ __ ] amazing. their senses are amazing I don't think. we really it's almost like looking at. the size of the universe like you know. it's 13 whatever billion light years. across you don't [ __ ] that's that's. just going in your head you know the M. the kind of power that the senses of a. wolf have I don't think we can even.

really fathom it so our our thought is. people are just going to go in there and. wipe out the wolves like they did before. that's just ignorance the way they wiped. out well at this point you go and say. that it's just that that's not the. reality because after the after the. delisting in the in the northern Rockies. after the D listing that didn't happen. right right did they ever reach their. quas yeah they reach quotas they every. night not every night uh many nights.

I'll check and y'all get notifications. like the Got a notification whatever the. hell 313 whatever it was unit had hit. its quota region five it hit its quota. I'm talking about in Montana whatever. region hit its quota at this point it's. at this point we've hit at it is a. stable there is a stable population of. wolves across a big chunk of range that. are managed as a. renewable natural resources they managed. as a big game species there is no.

problem it still gets litigated all the. time but the whole idea that they're. going to be pushed back on the onto the. esa on the endangered species list the. state doesn't want that that'd be the. worst thing that could happen to the. state right they're not going to shoot. him into Oblivion right it's like we. have wolves on the landscape and you. could have the extremes of people that. want to live in a world where there. aren't any that's not realistic like you. lost that fight you have extremes where. people want to live in a world where. there's as many as possible and there's. no regulation on them which isn't.

extreme because we could live in that. landscape but right now we're living in. a landscape where there are wolves on. the ground there's a healthy population. there's hunting for them there's a a a a. equilibrium emerging and it's very. livable but in Colorado it's like you. got Hunters that are if Hunters saw that. there was a pathway to finding the. extent of it they would probably feel a. lot better but right now they're like. we're going to lose 50% of elk we're. going to lose 75% of elk this is going.

to get litigated it could be a 100 years. from now we could have 90 years of full. recovery objective there's still no. regulated Harvest on. wolves and they're apprehensive and it's. also for high population areas which is. the ones that vote the most I mean that. that's where the the the people are that. are voting these are generally urban. areas that don't have any understanding. of what they're even voting on yeah. they're hoping to see one like exactly. what's going on in in BC when they. delisted when they they uh made it uh. illegal to hunt grizzly bears and the.

people that live up in BC like my friend. Mike who lives in northern BC is like. Jesus Christ like first of all this is a. way that a lot of people make a living. is by having these uh bear hunts this is. a part of their their lifestyle they. they're guides they guide people to hunt. Grizzlies and it's important to maintain. their population because if you don't. nothing is and these people in these. urban areas they think of it as trophy. hunting but at least people know that. you eat bear nobody's eating wolves so.

that is like one of the most difficult. to defend when you say I'm going to go. wolf hunting like what a piece of [ __ ]. you are you're going to hunt wolves the. [ __ ] is wrong with you here's here's a. you were me you mentioned Steve that. it's it's kind of at a stable level with. the Wolves now you know you call and. check in and and wolves are introduced. they're hunt they're still being hunted. so that works in Montana in Idaho I. think in in uh Wyoming Idaho Montana. right so I sent this to you I was just. looking this up in Alaska of course.

right um in Idaho L region in 95 12 R. wolves were introduced in 2005 512. wolves were present in 2011 800 wolves. were present so the elk from 95 there's. 16,000 elk in this region in 2016 there. was a th000 elk so went from 16,000 to. 1,000 so that's what wolves can do so. that's insane when you say and that's.

they can hunt them in. Idaho in Colorado when there is no wolf. hunting and now these wolves are back. and there and there won't be not not. under this their governor now but uh and. that's what I say it's like once these. prey animals get down then they can say. well we don't need. Hunters there's nothing nothing to hunt. the. a regulated objective in California it's. a state stated objective and I've heard. they want to turn Colorado into a uh.

almost like a viewing State like you. know how they do The Safaris over in. Africa where there no hunting you're. just out taking pictures that's what. they want Colorado to be so they want. low numbers of elk and deer so there is. no hunting so then they can say well we. don't really need hunters and by the way. do you guys need guns now I I don't know. if you need guns cuz you said you needed. them for hunting M so that's a big. portion some people say yeah we want our. everyday carry for protection a lot of. people say we want to hunt with no. hunting you don't need guns so there's. this big diabolical plan you could say.

is this what's happening but all I know. is that where there's wolves there's way. less elk that's it's openly stated on. this Wolf Conservation website that. that's their ultimate goal their. ultimate goal is to remove firearms. because you won't need them if you don't. need them for hunting you wind up with. the the this attitude about it that uh. a lot of people that are just really and. again I like and I'm stuttering here. because um I'm not an anti-wolf person.

right. uh I'm a pro I'm like Pro hitting a. recovery objective and then having a. managed resource but you'll find that a. lot of wolf Advocates will will really. try to in one breath tell you that it. actually they don't actually do that. they don't actually cause the decline of. elk numbers like when when when elk. numbers collapsed in the coming with the. coming of the wolf in the northern.

Rockies there's other factors that could. have explained that right they don't. actually do that but at the same time. they'll say oh but they would be a great. tool for controlling Wildlife diseases. which populate among overpopulated ulet. so you wind up getting this cross. talk on one hand oh they're not that. it's not that catastrophic for big game. herd. but it really lowers big game herds and. helps the disease transmission you know. and it's part of that that's kind of.

suffer frustrates people yeah you know. you're like you're you're getting all. this you know that they they like [ __ ]. rainbows you know right and it it like. it pisses people off well it's also like. we were saying it's it's almost. indefensible to someone who's an anti-. Hunter like you could say I hunt for. food and people go well I I don't agree. with you but I get it yeah nobody gets. Wolf hunting you know like do you want. to go hunt a wolf I don't want to hunt a. wolf I don't want to shoot a wolf I I.

love them I think they're amazing but I. get you say I take the thing of um I. harvested an animal and took the thing. of highest relevance and value to. me um on a deer I didn't keep the hide I. didn't retain the hide but I kept the. meat on a wolf I didn't keep the meat. but I retained the hide I took the thing. of high value to me wasn't there like. some Trappers you were telling me that. like wolf meat was their favorite meat. oh there's an Arctic Explorer uh V.

jalmer Stephenson and he would in his uh. he has a he had a book my life with the. Eskimo and he made first contact with a. lot of uh Eskimo Inuit hunters in the. Canadian Hier Arctic and he always. claimed that was his favorite game meat. well why if people eat if they eat. Mountain line and Mountain line you told. me it's. delicious why don't they eat wolves it's. it's weird man I've never I mean I've. never gotten a wolf you ate a coyote. once yeah I've never gotten a wolf and. I've never eaten a wolf but uh I know.

people that have eaten it but it's not a. you know eating like Lion Hunters eating. mountain lions is very common um I don't. believe that I believe there's some. people that eat some wolf meat because. I've heard of it and seen it I don't. think it's widely practiced have you. ever heard do you ever talk to someone. who's eaten wolf yeah who uh I do know a. couple guys that have eaten wol. wolf um my friend Buck bowden's eating. wolf that's the guy that makes the bowls. yep uh he had eaten it and uh I think.

didn't Randy Newberg eat a wolf he might. have yeah I think he ate a wolf what did. uh Buck Bowden say tastes. like uh there's a story about Buck. Bowden where someone's talking to him. and he's cleaning a wolverine skull okay. when he was trapping Wolverines he's. cleaning a wolverine skull with a knife. at a counter someone's talking to him. and as he's talking to him he's eating. the Hun of meat that he scrapes off the. skull with his knife so but I don't. remember what he told me about it he.

told me the I remember him tell me the. one thing he can't get that he's tried. every which way is um brown bears eating. salmon just always I remember him. telling me that was the one food he had. a hard time with well you telling that. story about how you borrowed your friend. smoker yeah Coastal black bears yeah and. you're like man you got to clean your. smoker smells like fish yeah he's like. I've never cooked fish on that smoker. yeah you know I used that for that and I. was like oh that's my. bear my bear ham did that too how did.

the bear taste oh I don't mind it you. know it's funny you know dirt right uh. yeah dir one I'm really liking that he. like that that bear that tastes like. smoked salmon cuz he's like well I like. smoked salmon right and I like meat and. this is the full pack yeah it's like a a. fusion no we at enough but I'll just eat. stuff you know I don't care I'll just if. I have it I'll eat it well if you do it. right like one of the things that we. learned we were hunting with Jesse last. year like diver Ducks which people. normally say they taste like [ __ ] cuz. they eat this the stuff on the bottom of.

the the lakes and now when he cooks. Jesse Griffith can cook some diver duck. that makes it like literally one of my. favorite FS I've ever eaten in my life. you can figure anything out you can. figure anything out just depends how. much work you want to put into it right. and you know obviously it doesn't hurt. being an amazing Chef MH you know but. he's you know he's got it down to a. [ __ ] science those dive R ducts are s. but if you talk to the average duck. hunter they're like if I got a wolf I. would definitely want to have a couple. chews off it but uh I mean I could tell.

you that you'd never separate me from. the hide off that thing but I would you. know I would I would go into it be like. I'm going to try it just because I want. to see what it's all about yeah you know. but it wouldn't be my primary objective. in getting one some some of those. animals just need to be killed that's. all they like coyotes wolves they just. need to be killed you you have to K and. whether you eat them or not. I don't know their numbers need to be. managed the wildest thing about kyos is. it doesn't work has the opposite effect.

well depending on how good you are at it. they're done in a very done in a very. surgical. fashion at the right time the right. place with the right level of intensity. they have found that that is. effective we got to bring in a [ __ ]. special ops unit no like you can there's. man if you have paral populations of. Pronghorn or imperal populations of mu. deer and you go in deer like Deering. cing.

season in the right areas at the right. time you can move the needle on. recruitment does you now and then if you. have a ranch and you now and then see a. coyote and get it are you doing like. effective Predator control probably not. that does not mean that you cannot done. in a timely fashion like I said. surgically a timely fashion with the. right approach at the right time you can. absolutely move the needle on Wildlife.

recruitment they see you see in Alaska. they see it in Arizona see it all over. the place but the issue is Statewide or. locally that might be the case but they. will then spread out and and they will. now they're in every state they're in. every city in the country because of. that because people funed them so I I. put this to someone the other day like. you know how you don't like you don't do. media yeah yeah you know like doing. interviews yeah I now and then get like. suckered into doing an interview and I. did an interview about a contentious. issue um it was about states banning I.

knew the minute the journalist called me. and he's talking about banning Wildlife. killing contests and I said can we. please say uh hunting contest at least. do we have to say Wildlife killing. contest and I'm like you know my buddy. Doug has a do Derby where they're in an. area they're trying to lower deer. numbers for issues of dis disease. transmission habitat Improvement and he. has a little derby where you win some.

prizes because they're trying the state. is is explicitly trying to. encourage de Harvest is he having a. wildlife killing contest or is he having. a derby as a management tool right. anyways I do this interview and. shouldn't have done it because the quote. they uh pulled for me was not the right. quote I lot now I'm so mad about that. guy came here what point I was driving. at uh you were gonna say that they tried.

to lump it in as a killing contest and. oh the outlaw the contest of killing. animals basically but I had some like. broader ass point I can't remember now. what it was. apologies got so riled up about talking. to that guy yeah yeah it's so I do I do. want to uh revisit one thing because I. said like for me anytime I see coyote if. I got a license and it's legal I kill it. every I killed one this year I'm I'm. always trying to my personal thing is I. kill so many prey animals a year.

whatever that number is I'm going to try. to kill a number of predators also I. feel like that's doing my part to to. whatever to balance it to balance it but. I didn't want to say one thing about the. mountain line hunting as I say that I. will kill just a coyot just because I. thinks to kill I didn't kill a lion in. Colorado because one of the biggest. benefits to using dogs is identifying if. that's the animal you want to kill it's. not what what happens now like in Oregon. where they outlawed running lions with. dogs is if you kill one it's just one.

you saw and you don't know you don't. know what it is you don't know how old. it is you don't know male female because. you don't have time right and but that's. the only way you can hunt them so now. they have the season is open all year it. never closes in Oregon there is no dog. so lion numbers are going way up deer. numbers going way down that's kind of. what happens where where dogs are. allowed or baiting for bear is allowed. or even hunting black bear with dogs is. allowed you're killing the animal that.

should be killed the older male. generally and you're identifying it. you're taking out the right one without. those measures in place as hunting a dog. is a tool without those measures in. place it's it's not nearly as controlled. and it's not like people are just going. out there just going to kill any line up. the tree just like I I didn't kill one. cuz I didn't see an old manale lion. houndsmen are the one that originally. pushed for lion regulations yeah they. were pushing for lion regulations when. no one was paying any attention lion.

lion uh conservation okay I I finally. remember my point okay am I allowed to. go back. timee yeah he we were having this. conversation where people say that that. coyote hunting actually increases coyote. numbers and I see what you're talking. about because it disrupts pack Dynamics. and can lead to animal shooting off in. new directions the starting packs and. also leads to them having more offspring. but I said well if you're super pro. coyote uh why would you not encourage.

that it's true and I was just throwing. out there as a rhetorical question well. it is a rhetorical question but it. actually does have Merit you know Dan. flores's book uh coyote America which is. an amazing book [ __ ] incredible book. when you realize how Wild those things. are and when they get killed they when. they do their roll call and there's a. coyote missing the female coyot will. produce more pups mhm I mean that is. just that's the reason why they're. everywhere yeah uh um I'm friends with. Dan I studied under Dan I have massive.

respect for Dan I have Dan on the show. there's certain little tidbits of this. debate that Dan and I don't see eye to. eye on and this is one of them yeah but. uh but the effect love him the effect is. hard to argue they they literally have. gone from a hundred years ago yeah where. they were primarily in the southwest and. in the West to everywhere in New York. City I mean they have coyotes in in. [ __ ] Central Park crazy and some of. their and you got to realize too like.

Wildlife Dynamics can play out very. slowly. so in some ways it's possible they're. still responding from the elimination of. the wolf right right right like like. some of this stuff takes so long just. look at like why does just very. gradually why do raccoons and possums. keep going north in West it's just so. weirdly gradual Havas right move over. time so you see these things that happen. so slowly that you can't picture and.

plan out but with the coyote it seemed. like there was a gradual movement and. then just an. explosion you know I remember them. coming into our area like I was a red. fox Trapper and we didn't have coyotes I. remember the first coyote I ever saw and. now it's like for the most part red fox. are gone and coyotes are there um and. that was part of the like not just the. gradual increase that was like the. explosion in the 90s where they just.

like I don't know they suddenly figured. something out something clicked I don't. know what it was man I was this. conversation with some guy in the. Hollywood Hills uh you know people up. there are terrified of losing their dogs. they lose their dogs all the time dogs. and cats get killed by Coyotes. constantly and he was telling me about. this and it's like [ __ ] hate them. they're everywhere I go yeah I get it it. but you love. rats because if it wasn't for Kyle rats. would be everywhere they'd be everywhere. like they they also keep the population.

of things down that you don't want I. mean they're they're an essential part. of the ecosystem they they there's a. reason why like where I used to live in. California it's not infested with rats. because it's got a lot of coyotes. they're [ __ ] everywhere and yeah. don't leave your dog out yeah don't. don't let a you know a a kitten roam. around your backyard and you're not. looking cuz they'll get it you know they. killed all my chickens but they're also. like they're a very important part of.

that system again I don't dislike them. yeah I love them I like them um every. year I flesh and stretch a few and send. them to the Tannery someday I'm going to. have a big giant bed spread out of. coyotes how many do you have now what's. that how many do you have how I got. saved up. now uh I mean I used to sell them now I. got saved up maybe 10 of them how many. do you need for a beds bread I haven't. done the math yet me and my buy sent in. we had 50 beavers and we did two. blankets two big blankets out of 50.

beavers oh wow. yeah um beautiful that the F thing is a. fascinating one too because there's. people that are really anti fur but yet. they're wearing leather and they. probably don't like the oil. industry but they drive they drive a car. well that was my favorite I talked about. that on stage last night the [ __ ]. stop oil people that block the highway. with their [ __ ] paint on their sign. that's made with oil wearing shoes that. are made with oil wearing clothes unless.

they're dressed in fur it's made out on. anti-depressants that were made from oil. you know they use oil for everything I. know that oh yeah man that that's. something that happened in the early. 1900s they they figured out to use uh. petroleum based things to make medicine. hm yeah oil they got their fingers into. everything don't they everything not fur. not fur yeah everything but it's like. the weird thing is like people don't. like animal skins that have fur on it.

that's the crazy part like if you have. fur boots people like oh you piece of. [ __ ] but if you have leather boots like. oh guy's got boots on yeah it's almost. over noticed but it always drives me. crazy like why do it become bad why is. it so much better to take the fur off. it's weird it's weird the skin itself is. leather and that's fine but if you leave. the fur on oh you [ __ ]. creep it's weird yeah that's that's one. argument that I you know people like to. lump kind of an aside but lump Hunters.

into Trophy Hunters or meat Hunters. which I think we would all agree you can. be both yes I mean I take am I take. every ounce of the meat from the animals. I kill every ounce is like is more. valuable than gold to me and I take all. the antlers the hide I got you know. claws I mean it's like all that's all. part of that memory of that hunt and I'm. honoring yes that memory and that. Harvest essentially but I'm also sharing. that meat we eat the meat every night or. every day and it's like we're both we're.

not just because I I meet people and. they say well you're not you're not a. Trophy Hunter are you I'm like yeah MH. yeah I am yeah I'd be like I'm all kinds. of hunters yeah well you know here's. what's interesting is like we're so. separated from the idea of animals and. just the Wilderness itself being a. resource in order to sustain you but. during Co there was a bunch of people. that reached out to me and wanted to. start hunting cuz they had this thought.

because when like my friend Duncan went. to the supermarket and he sent me a. picture he's like dude there's no food. send me a photo of the the meat shelf. and there was literally like a package. of ground beef left there was nothing. left cuz the supply chain got. interrupted and people started thinking. oh my God we could get to a part where I. don't have any food like that's a real. real yeah people felt vulnerable they. felt vulnerable so two two things. started happening to me during that. people started reaching out asking me. about hunting and then when the George.

Floy George Floyd riots kicked in people. wanted to borrow guns people asked to. borrow guns how many guns do you have. can I have one of your guns yeah I was. like that's illegal cuz in Texas I could. just give you one which is wild like in. Texas you don't even have to fill out. paperwork like if you were a Texas. resident and I was a Texas resident I'm. like you like that gun you could have it. oh yeah most I should say most places. but that that that's the norm that's the. norm but in California I was like I. can't do that like it's absolutely. illegal I could go to jail for giving.

you a gun like you have to go through. the whole process and then the lines. outside the gun stores were wild cuz. what you can't do is you can't go down. and buy you can't go down to the FFL the. federal like you can't go down to a. dealer gun store and buy it and say it's. for you and then give it to someone else. but it's actually your buddy buying it. right that you definitely can't do right. you can't do that but in terms of you. like legitimately went and bought it for. yourself and then you decided you did.

not want it you can gift that yeah to a. friend what they're trying to prevent is. your body saying hey go down and buy it. for me I'm a felon and can't right that. makes sense that's your ass so they. don't Pro though oddly they. um they don't really prosecute people. for lying on FFL statements interesting. it's a real yeah it's a real issue well. yeah that could be definitely an issue. if someone's a felon I mean but then. then there's also the the they'll reject. the purchase and not go after the person. but when they have those gun [ __ ]. conventions when you can go and just.

what do they call those things when they. gun shows gun shows where people just. you can that's a weird one right it's. like it's they kind of can skirt around. some regulations that was part of things. that people didn't like when you hear in. the gun control debate people about talk. trying to close the gun hole loophole as. they're trying to put it that they. should be subject to FFL transfers but. like when my dad died and I got my dad's. guns um we didn't do an FFL transfer. right how does any kid get a their deer.

hun Rifle right you get from your dad. from or your grandpa they're like here. you go son right like that's just how it. works wrapped up under the tree man. right yeah it's there's a lot of. regulations that make sense and there's. a lot of them that don't and most the. ones that come out of California don't I. mean the limiting magazines that's a. [ __ ] insane one like down to 10. Rounds or certain guns you can't even. buy they're trying to do in Oregon five. rounds oh my God that's hilarious. Washington already did that right maybe.

so maybe that's what I'm that is so. crazy so what do you do if you have a. Glock 16 you don't yeah I'm not sure I. mean that's [ __ ] insane yeah it's. insane I can't remember I I shouldn't. speak to that but I know that there's a. there's I don't know about on Long guns. there's a restriction a magazine. restriction what's interesting is for. for hunting water. F federally regulated migratory. waterfall there's always been a magazine. restriction in the field mhm um three.

rounds and then uh as they're trying to. lower snow geese numbers to protect. Arctic habitats they've gone in and. undone they've made an exception to. allow unlimited capacity magazines to. hunt snow geese so it's one of those. weird areas where you where you see a a. a real reverse of like a time honored. tradition which is three rounds in your. gun to make it that people can kill more. snow geese that's an animal that I want. to hunt with you one day the ribeye in.

the sky oh the cranes yeah San Hill. cranes I've heard those are insanely. delicious great it's crazy when you see. a bird that has like a dark red meat MH. it's like what is this this isn't a. chicken yeah what the hell kind of bird. is this friend of mine he's right where. he said it's watching one of those come. down out of the sky is like watching a. folding lawn chair hit the ground it's. just a wild bird to hunt man I bet you. know I I asked this question to wadell. the other day what do you guys think.

would end hunting if anything does do. you think it would be um anti-hunters. politics or fellow Hunters causing. Division and infighting and whatever. public referendums politics politics. yeah Urban centers Urban centers where. people vote and they don't have an. understanding what they're voting on. that's you don't got to wonder about it. you it's it's happening yeah it's like. it's not theoretical well why would you. say Hunters though like like hunters in.

what way they stop hunting because I see. fellow Hunter there's so much infighting. whereas you look at the anti-hunters. they're so aligned they're not like oh. oh parsing out to this and that yeah. this this guy is the number one anti-. hunter in the United States no he's not. he's a piece of [ __ ] that Hunter. love like tearing each other he a real. anti Hunter yeah no I'm. I'm he's a he's a [ __ ] private land.

anti Hunter he's ruining it for all of. us anti- hunters he's a wolf and sheep's. clothing it doesn't happen they are so. aligned right they get they get you know. they have the lobbyist working for them. meanwhile Hunters [ __ ] we can't get out. of our own way on half the [ __ ] yeah but. I have a long history of being a public. person and I understand it from a. different dynamic because there's just a. thing that happens with men where they. become jealous of other men and hateful. of other people's success and then they.

look at other people for whatever reason. as anytime they do something it takes. away from them or they look at someone. getting attention and somehow or another. it takes away from them and they focus. entirely on that person's success or who. that person is and they try to find. flaws with them it's a a natural thing. with jealous weak-minded men right so we. have that in hunting yeah you're going. to have that in everything though we. have that in comedy it's a real issue. with stand-up comedy we have that in. fighting but nobody's trying to ban. comedy but they are you're wrong yeah.

there's there's shitty hunt or shitty. Comics that try to tell people what they. can. and like com yep they all suck is one. thing they have in common they're all. not funny 100% of them every single one. there's not a single one that's. exceptional not a single one that is. anti-comedy. about controversial subjects that people. are excited to go to see them that are. real comedy fans that are really good. Comics there's not a single anti- like.

controversial joke comic that other. Comics seek out to go see what's. interesting is half your guests are your. competitors yeah half your guests are. Comics yeah but I don't think of comics. ever as competitors they're they're my. tribe it's like I try the best I can to. get them more famous I want them to be. huge daughter had a book that described. um she had a book about jealousy and it. described jealousy as a hot prickly.

feeling I've heard it is a vessel that. poisons the thing that carries it or I. mean a substance that poisons the vessel. that carries it you know that's the best. way to look at it it doesn't do you any. good but it can do the opposite it can. do the opposite if you have a good. mindset if you have a good mindset and. you see someone and you're envious that. can be fuel for your success as long as. you manage it in your mind like almost. everything else it's complicated you. have to manage it in your mind as like. this can fuel me and be a fantastic.

resource when I see someone's success I. get inspired to work harder I get. inspired to do more so I am happy that. that person is successful so if you saw. a comet coming up and they were kind of. in your wheelhouse and nipping on your. heels you'd be like I'm going to have. that some [ __ ] on the show 100% every. time I do it all the time I'm going. shine a spotlight on that 100% that is. my that's look that's why I used to take. Joey Diaz on the road with me cuz I. couldn't follow him I was like he's so. funny he was the funniest guy alive and.

people were like you take Joey Diaz on. the road with you out of your [ __ ]. mind and I'm like yeah but but if I can. ride that way you're setting yourself up. to be that one guy that wasn't as fun. he's the other guy oh I would hear it. all the time people would say you know. you know you're opening acts funnier. than you I'm like yeah he's the best you. have you have a unique you have unique. mindset that that's that's all I worry. about or not all I worry about but with. Hunters we just we have a hard time. giving other people credit being.

supportive of each other some of us and. so with this this disjointedness that's. what I get worried about you know how. that changes these conversations yeah. this gets out there in the Zeitgeist. people hear it they recognize their own. failings their own shortcomings and. their own thought processes and then. they realize this is not admirable well. some people never will we can't afford. it we can't AFF it we can't you know so. I'm thankful for outfits like Dan Gates. is in Colorado and then there's another. one I wanted to mention called Howell Y. and I think is it John Stallone man I.

know D we had Dan Gates join us at a. live show and he's we got him uh. scheduled to come on the podcast as. voting starts heating up on the as. voting starts heat or you know as the we. start nearing the date for the. initiative in Colorado right I'm. familiar with Howell I was introduced to. Howell by uh y my colleague Giannis. who's a supporter and um we've done some. things to support them but man that name. I probably met him but just right now. I'm spacing it if I am so apologies to.

him I I believe it's John Stallone but. but anyway it's they are helping keep us. organized they're you know make it easy. to send letters to legislators and it's. just yeah they're leading the fight on. they're leading the fight on the on the. hunting bands right so in that in. especially in that Arena right there. that's a positive that's. they still like in the grand scheme of. things small like if you look at numbers. of followers or things like that but. they're making an impact and so i' I've. been trying to I want to support them.

and and um help where we can it's just. you know this you know you're unique. when you look at a comic hot comic. coming up and you want to celebrate them. I wish hunting could be more like that. it can be it can be you just got to. these weak people have to understand. that we know what they are we we see. right through them and you're not. admirable not you're not admirable. you're not respected by your peers. everybody knows you're a [ __ ] nobody. likes a [ __ ] and when you're a man and. you can't recognize another man's. success or you you see a man and you.

measure yourself up to him and you fall. short and so you start [ __ ] on that. person everybody knows what you're doing. every man knows what you're doing. especially every exceptional man they. know 100% what you're doing so you have. to live with that and that's how it it's. a poison that that ruins the vessel that. carries it it's not good for anybody. and it's just a thing that people do. people have always been jealous of other. human beings throughout time but you got. to understand for your own personal.

benefit that feeling can be changed. inside of you to fuel and it will make. you a better person it'll make you. better at what you do it'll make you. understand that competition is critical. and vital in order for you to reach your. full potential you don't reach your full. potential if you're the king and. everybody else is a [ __ ] because then. you're like well I'm the king everybody. else is just a [ __ ] I don't have to be. any better but if you're a King around. other kings you realize wow these guys. are all [ __ ] getting up earlier than.

me working harder than me thinking. smarter than me being more effective. recognizing their shortcomings fixing. them talking about it with other people. that do the same and growing from each. other you know we have like the in the. mothership the comedy club that I own. when we get together in the Green Room. during the shows we're always breaking. down bits we're talking we don't like. hold secrets we don't have like Trade. Secrets I don't want to tell anybody how. I write I tell everybody how I write I. tell everybody how I correct things I'm.

like this is a thing that I've noticed. that helps me here's a thing that I've. added I started listening to my. recordings and doing this afterwards. when I get home I always do if you just. do that one hour every night just think. over time how and then my other friends. have said I started doing that dude it's. you're right I just sat down for 10. minutes I had a new bti I wouldn't have. come up with that bti if I didn't do. that like yes yes now we all learn from. each other but if you see this one guy. that's out there that's putting in all. this extra work and succeeding and you. just start [ __ ] on them everybody.

knows what you're doing you know what. you're doing [ __ ] you know in. your heart of hearts you know you're. being a [ __ ] right and you can live. with that if you like but I can't I I. allergic to that feeling in me I hate. that feeling I've experienced it I know. what it is it'll still bubble up every. now and then if someone's killing it I'm. like wow that guy's doing so good well. [ __ ] him you know like that [ __ ] him. part of you is always there but you got. to go oh you little [ __ ] I know what.

you are you're a little [ __ ] but if you. can do that this is in the mirror yeah. yes just generally never gets the mirror. it's like I try to squat that [ __ ] as. soon as it comes up like a weed I pull. it out right away but if you don't do. that it's not good it's not good for you. you never never change people's opinions. if someone is doing exceptional work and. doing an exceptional job of being very. unusually successful and then you start.

picking on all the little flaws in that. person and people are going to look at. you they're going to go but you're kind. of fat and lazy and you you [ __ ] up all. the time and you're always drunk and. like you got this problem and that. problem and how come you're not looking. at your own self with the same scrutiny. that you look at this extremely. successful person it's because you're. jealous. that's all it is it's a natural human. instinct but that feeling can be. repurposed that thought can benefit you.

that feeling of comparing yourself and. coming up short what you're supposed to. do is going what do I need to do so I. don't have this feeling anymore well I. need to work harder I need to work. smarter I need to do some things that. I'm not doing that maybe make me. uncomfortable and that's what I need to. do to get better yeah you know to your. point last night I saw two of the. funniest people I've ever SE seen Shane. and Tony both putting notes in their. phone from comments that were made in. the Green Room yeah oh really oh we. always do that yeah so they're like just.

like oh that's okay I'm going to put. this down so I don't forget it trying to. grow to you know that's exactly what. you're talking about they're they're. almost at the top of the game still. trying to get better based on feedback. from other Comics yeah we always do that. we Workshop constantly we're always in. that Green Room the and I was trying to. explain that to one of the managers I. was like the reason why we have to like. when Comics get together like we're at. the comics bar and we're all just. talking [ __ ] like if someone is. sensitive and they get in that and they. start complaining about jokes that are.

being told hey you got to leave now. because this is literally how we Spar. like this is what we do if you're. complaining that someone is making fun. of this person or picking on that person. creating an unsafe work environment okay. well you can't be here it's like if you. go to the gym and you're want trying to. be a boxer and you're like everybody's. trying to hit me like that's what they. do this is this is how you get better. you hit each other you don't like being. hit you can't be here you can't [ __ ]. be here and that's this is like just the. reality of what we do and the only.

people that really truly know that are. the practitioners the ones who are doing. this very difficult thing look with. stand-up comedy there's a lot of hunters. there's a thousand of us on Earth that. are worth a [ __ ] it might be less I'm. being generous it's probably 500 it. might be 250 that I want to see on. planet Earth 250 Comics that I would go. out of my way to see that's not a lot no. like we got to [ __ ] stick together.

there's so few of us for you be [ __ ]. on this guy cuz he's selling out Arenas. why do you think people like him what is. it what's he doing well he's doing. something [ __ ] figure it out get. better that I was I'm curious does. comedy have the same and hunting it was. a big deal when the girls started coming. in right so a lot of guys would say oh. she's just getting this because she's. got her tits out or whatever right which. is true and but I could see I could see. comedy being the same like because there.

are women Comics did you guys look at. women and be like she shouldn't be up. there it's only she's only up there get. to Stage time because she's hot well. comedy is a meritocracy the thing about. comedy is if you're not funny we find. out real quick nobody laughs at you just. cuz your tits are out well the thing. about hunting though like there's. there's gals that become very popular. online that are just hot wearing camo. but how I looked at it is if I can't be. more whatever stand out more than this.

girl just CU she's hot I must not be. that [ __ ] good I think of it in terms. of e Effectiveness like if a girl is. really hot and she's got big tits and. camel but she's also a beast and she's. out there really killing a lot of things. how many okay that's not very many right. so what are you worried about I'm not I. know I know you're not. but what do you wor they're not. effective like if there's a girl that's. hot and she gets on stage and she's. bombing all the time no one's like yeah. she's only up there cuz she's hot like. you don't care like if she's bombing if.

someone's if someone Bombs all the time. you're like get away from me like you. don't want to be around them they're. like it's like it's contagious but. someone's good like Whitney Cummings. Whitney Cummings is hot but she's also. really [ __ ] funny and so when. Whitney's just a real comic when we're. around Whitney no one thinks oh here's. that hot chick that like it's just like. oh it's Whitney what's up it's like. she's one of us but she also is hot it's. hard to be that person it's very [ __ ].

rare but it's doable but she had to go. through all these ladders to get there. CU it just preconceived notions when you. see a woman go on stage you like. immediately Mo a lot of men I've been. guilty of it you know what are the odds. she's funny she's too hot it's like you. almost immediately think you can't have. it all well it's last you think like. what how did she ever like Richard uh. Christopher Hitchens rather wrote uh a. long piece for Vanity Fair once called. women aren't funny remember that it was. brilliant he's so he was so [ __ ].

smart who wrote that Christopher. Hitchens okay cuz he could attack things. from a level. of. intellectual introspection like he has. looked at this in a way like analyze his. own thoughts on funny how he feels how. people feel he broke it down so clearly. that like female Comics really couldn't. even say anything about it cuz what he. was saying was true he was like the ones. that are funny are kind of dyy they're.

kind of like they they're you know like. these and then he's like no I'll go back. to attacking religion and other safe. subjects but there's There Was You know. it's that thing it's like why do why are. men funny men are funny for a lot of. reason to impress women that's how they. learn to do it to impress their friends. like it's a part of the natural banter. that men have when they get together. women don't necessarily have that same. banter some do but most don't and women. don't have to be funny to attract men.

they just have to look good so they. think they're funny because guys are. laughing at anything because they want. to sleep with them they're like oh. you're so funny I remember I remember. when we were young someone pointing out. that for a girl to say a guy was nice is. not good oh right they're like dude she. said you're nice they're like if she. says that he's funny that's a real good. sign yeah yeah it's true it's true cuz. you don't want the nice thing there's. less funny women but the women that are. funny I I respect the [ __ ] out of them.

because it's so hard to do especially. first of all your subject matters. limited because nobody wants to see a. woman talking about politics on stage. very few men want to see a woman with. like very strong political opinion. something shut the [ __ ] up they get mad. and then if you talk about sex you talk. about sex too much oh plut like there's. all these thoughts that that's always. struck me as the unfair thing is how. much guys get uncomfortable by that oh. totally unfair yeah totally unfair real.

like but it does create a a situation. for a woman comic that if a woman comic. can navigate that they become undeniable. if you can navigate all those. preconceived ideas that people have. about you before you go on stage but yet. you still succeed at making them laugh. that's black belt [ __ ]. that's high LEL comedy that's what. Whitney can do you know she she P I've. seen people look at her when she gets on. stage and they're. like whatever yeah yeah she's hot and.

then and then she starts killing and. they're like God damn it she's [ __ ]. funny and then after a while you just. give in like wow she's [ __ ] great and. then you're laughing you're just. enjoying yourself but it's it's much. more complex whereas a fat guy gets on. stage and you know he's already funny. he's funny looking big fat stupid. looking guy and he starts talking about. him himself being fat and then you know. you got a lot ofat leeway yeah you know. I want to return to for a minute you're. talking about um after you know Comics.

being in the Green Room workshopping. M if if in Colorado they lose this. ballad initiative about hunting Bobcats. and hunting mountain lions around this. definition of trophy hunting uh and. America's hunters get together in the. green room and workshop what went wrong. yeah uh I think they're going to. determine that what went wrong is. not um identifying with and fighting for.

people who are engaged in activity that. that a specific segment of the activity. that you're not engaged with right and H. needing to come into the awareness that. like this as this plays out this will. get around to impacting you yes yeah but. you have to have that ability to do that. this is going to get around this is like. the next thing that comes up is going to. be something that is going to like. strike at you near and deer it's going. to be bow hunting is cruel unnecessarily.

cruel right yeah there are people that. have that perspective that are funters. yeah and then they're going then you're. going to be like you're going to freak. out right yeah yeah when they start. coming this is going too far you know. yeah yeah then you'll and you'll be. you'll be the one that you you ignored. when other uh you'll be orded when other. traditional use practices were getting. eliminated because it didn't affect you. and then now here it is on your doorstep. there's also a thing about hunters where.

they're competitive in a different way. than like say in comparison to stand-up. comics because stand-up comics you have. that audience to yourself it's not like. they killed the audience the audience. doesn't exist anymore like I had a great. audience I you kill them all you [ __ ]. piece of [ __ ] now. this yeah but if like you go to the. mountains and you kill a 400 in Bull. like that's a 400 in Bull that's gone. now I can't kill that bull now a he. [ __ ] kills all the big bulls no Bulls. left audiences are always there and the.

more comics that are really funny the. more it makes comedy grow and you get. more audiences you're not assassinating. them yeah yeah but but you could be. competing with them on any given night. though you're both you're both in Toledo. on Monday sort of but when it's your. opportunity it's your opportunity and. it's just your own shortcomings that are. allowing you to fail in comparison to. them it's not them doing something it's. not like they're yelling at you from the. side of the stage trying to [ __ ] up your. routine you know what I'm saying yeah.

but it's like when you have your time. that's your time and that's yeah I think. you know with a bull there's more Bulls. though you know it's not like there are. but there's not a lot of 400 inch bulls. and if you're you're public land hunter. and there's a specific unit and there's. you know that's allocated 150 tax for. the specific unit and everybody's in. there hiking out trying and one guy. shoots his big ass bull that's a big ass. bull that you're not going to be able to. kill yeah and so there's a different. level of competition because even though.

it's a renewable resource it's a limited. resource and there's also exceptional. aspects of that resource like an. enormous animal a very unusual rare. outlier of an animal that if someone. kills it now you can't so there's that. competition and then there's also the. the [ __ ] dick measuring thing where. guys are taking grip and grins you know. one of the things that's really. disturbing to me is the numbers thing. you know um uh I was talking to a friend. of mine who was a guide and he was.

Furious because this guy who is this. well-known Hunter shot a mule deer and. it was a beautiful mule deer but it was. only 189 in he wanted a 190 he wanted. 200 inch and he didn't think of it as. like he's like it's just a just a buck. it's just a buck and this guy was like I. would cut off my left nut to shoot that. [ __ ] buck and this guy is this Rich. famous Hunter who goes in and he's. complaining about it he's not even. appreciating this thing H it's a buck.

just a buck that's a giant Buck it's a. giant old seven eight-year-old deer. giant dude I yeah but it's funny I'll. get something I have a lot of stuff that. I've never measured never will um I got. a really nice moose this year I don't. you know I don't even I don't no one. measures I should say no one yeah pretty. much no one measures moose you talk. about how wide they are and you leave it. at that right but I will have stuff. where now and then someone's like uh you. know around me that likes to do that and. i' be like dude measure that thing I'm.

just curious about it right you know I. mean it's like I don't hate the it's a. point of reference yeah I don't hate the. number system I get curious about like. I'm curious about all aspects of all all. aspects of hunting and Wildlife and and. the Boon and croca system is of interest. to me I don't live and die by it but you. know I'm not curious what that is but if. someone shot a real stomper I might be. like what does that dude like what what. did it. tap that's that's what I that's what I. do too I don't necessarily care about.

what if I kill something just because I. just was there mature animal I'm not I'm. not thinking about is this 400 is this. anything and I I said this the other day. and talking to wadell it's like you know. people talk about that you get great. opportunities to hunt you know I mean. that's just all there is to it but I. said Jo I've never heard Joe talk about. a score of something or he didn't want. to kill it cuz I said he doesn't care. there's been one antler elk that he's. like he would kill it he right I tried.

to yeah you're with pulled me off like I. don't care I'm going to eat that and. he's a big bull like I kind I think it's. kind of cool when they have broken. antlers it doesn't bother me at all. people will take shots at you cuz you. killed a giant Bull and this and that. and they've been hunting their whole. lives it's like you don't give a [ __ ]. you just want to hunt you're hunting. yeah and you don't care what it scores. you're not after like the biggest bowl. on the mountain you just love hunting. and like that's the truth people can.

turn it into whatever they want yeah. they're wrong I'm like Daniel Boone man. I go to the best hunting place I can go. yeah yeah you should like I don't know. many people that yeah it's like I don't. know many people that if they said like. hey man we're going to go on family. vacation and we found this sweet spot. but then we got to thinking we should. actually go to family vacation in a. shitty spot yeah well it's also all the. it's the same thing that we were talking. about with jealousy if those people had. the resources that I have and if you. didn't do what I do you're a [ __ ] you. don't go to the places where there's elk.

screaming all over the place and it's. awesome I'm yeah I'm always looking for. good opportunities I mean I'll take the. shitty ones too cuz I'm looking to get. out all the time so I'll take the shitty. ones I'll take the good ones but I'm. going to generally like if I get to a if. I'm at a a fork in the trail and one. side is like good and one side's bad I'm. going up the good one 100% of the time. yeah it's yeah it's just a resource. thing you know like do do you have the. ability to do that if you don't you.

might criticize people to do oh ever. since I was a little kid we went to I. did the best thing you know I did I went. to the best spot I could get my hands. the best fishing hole always whatever. it's like I mean you you're right it's a. resource thing because when I started. where I killed that Spike bull that I. talked about earlier that was Warehouse. or Timber Company land anybody could go. there everybody could go there freaking. hard hunting to kill a bull with a bow. so hard up there that was as tough as it.

got right so then I'm like well God we. could go to the Wilderness it's more. open it's on the east side of the state. where I was hunting the west side of the. state the Bulls are more vocal it's the. High Country that's better hunting God. but that cost we got to drive all the. way eight hours across the state we need. gas money we need food when we're there. we're not just going home every night. but it was better hunting so yeah Roy. sold a gun we got some money we drove. over there better hunting then it was. like [ __ ]. Oregon Oregon sucks hunting wise.

compared to other states it's like I. wonder if I could hunt Wyoming put in. for General tag in Wyoming drew it. killed a 6x6 bowl next time I drew it. killed a seven by6 I'm like God this is. so much better than Oregon but it's. $1,100 for this premium elk tag that I. was putting in for. got to work a little harder got to come. up with some more resource you said it's. it's a resource that you're allocating. worked a little harder that was better. hunting it's just that process I started.

with the shittiest hunting you can get. in the shittiest state to hunt basic. maybe Washington's about as no my state. was way shittier in your state yeah yeah. exactly so but you you keep working for. don't you give me shitty State your. [ __ ] Michigan is that where te it but. we we we I had it quite good I'm just. joking with you but that's how people. think no it it's true you're right but. anyway the point is is like you keep. working you keep moving up the ladder to. get to better hunting yeah now it it.

crosses the line and I do understand. when people are killing high fence. animals in small properties and they're. making it look like this is a wild. animal yeah you there's there there. comes a line and that line gets crossed. all the [ __ ] time right here in Texas. yeah I don't know people that have I. know a guy who has a 200 acre high fence. property and I'm likeo I go there that's. rough I can't go there if you have a 15.

20,000 acre high fence property I'm like. okay what are the odds those animals. unless it's a mule deer it's a migratory. animal what are the odds those animals. would ever get out of that 15,000 acres. in their normal natural life as long as. you're not feeding them if you're not. like like I'm standing over a feeder. waiting for them to show up at 5:00 p.m. as long as it's not that it's just. hunting and when people start talking. about private land versus public I. understand the appeal and I understand. that public land should be available to.

everybody and I agree and I think it's. an amazing thing that we have here in. America where we have these resources. where any person can go to a place where. you can get a general tag and go to. public land and hunt I think it's. amazing but you're also dealing with. animals that are acting in a very. unnatural way because they're highly. pressured so if you have a lot of. hunters and a lot of pressured animals. you're dealing with an animal that's not. acting like a wild animal you're dealing. with something that's being constantly. harassed and that to me is unnatural.

well that you then you get into like a. history debate because you're on. landscapes that the been hunted but I. would agree that high pressure. um. absolutely changes everything about how. they conduct yeah their business you're. also competing with other guys like I've. I've talked to guys that have had. situations where they know that they are. downwind or the you know they their. upwind rather their wind is going to.

come down on an animal but they see. someone stalk in that animal and they. try to get to it first and they know. they're going to bust it they know it. and they don't give a [ __ ] they would. rather bust it than have the other guy. kill it yeah they rather take a chance. and there's so many morons that are. doing it I think the best case scenario. is human beings. interacting with absolutely wild animals. in a way where these animals aren't. acting as natural as they would be as if. human beings didn't exist that's best.

case scenario yeah and if you can get to. the most remote places that's where you. can get that in the most wild places I. will. say your example about you didn't want. somebody else to kill it so you're going. to go down I've probably done that. before it's like when I was when I was. hunting it's like every man for himself. I've I've raised people I mean I've also. backed out of races yeah where it felt. it just felt too weird and I'm like I'm. not going to do this it I cuz I remember. here's how much I wanted to protect my.

in that same logging country I would go. out and the road would end maybe I don't. want to drive out to the login unit. because that's going to Spook all the. deer especially in the headlights before. it's you know light and you're out there. waiting so I'd Park like half mile back. and walk out there but I didn't want. anybody else driving out there so I'd. Park in the middle of the road Road. sideways leave my truck there it's like. I'm not saying you can't come out there. but you're not driving. people people lost their [ __ ] I mean I.

would hear gunshots going off of my. truck then I'm like [ __ ] are they. shooting my truck you know you don't or. are they going to shoot me when so I did. a lot of this crazy stuff I mean I'm. very competitive um I did want to also. clarify one point cuz you said animals. on 15,000 Acres you know would would re. be reacting they wouldn't know they were. in off fence type thing I because I've. I've seen people say crazy [ __ ]. about our hunting but you the Bulls you. kill are not an offense have never been.

an offense always been Fair Chase always. been I've even said oh these Bulls are. on beta blockers some crazy [ __ ]. beta blockers beta blockers so on. bulls to to limit their I don't even. know what the hell it do blockers like. athletes can't use them and there's. there. yeah it kills your. adrenaline people say crazy [ __ ] I don't. want them turning in that you were. validating a a big uh High area no I've. never done that don't do that the Bulls.

you're hunting are wild Fair Chase. there's Predators around there's Lions. there's Bears there's I mean this is. wild elk so I just want to make that. clear because people say they say crazy. [ __ ] maybe even 15,000 acres is not a. good example so like let's say like uh. the four Ranch that my friend Taylor. Sheridan owns it's. 270,000 Acres wow yeah really yeah he. doesn't fence that no God that would be. a lot of money in you know saying but.

even if he did but even if he did you. know that's like the [ __ ] yeah like. that's where they live you know you just. put a fence to keep other people from. going in you're really not you're not. stop that's like natural habitat I mean. the whole country fenc in by. oceans whole you could look at it that. way but never done it and uh I've never. done it and I've had like occasion to. debate people about it but I still like. maybe I used to be a little. friskier about arguing about all the.

finer points but it's just it's. um I haven't done it uh I just I don't. really think about it you know what I. mean it's not the same thing you know. like when I talk to guys who hunt out. here and most of them are pretty honest. about it the way they do it like the. hunt over feeders these are not people. that hunt a lot they don't practice a. lot but when they get a chance it's. essentially like a kind of harvesting. animals it's almost like a type of. farming because you're if you're hunting. over a feeder and like they'll put you. in a tree stand and say all right the.

feeder goes off at 5:00 you're like what. yeah it's a collision of animal it's a. collision of husbandry and animal. husband of hunting and animal husbandry. where you're using the sort of harvest. tactics of hunting but you're employing. a lot of the principles of animal. husbandry yeah it's not the same thing. it's not going into the mountains like. we do like we're we're hunting in Utah. or you're going to Colorado you're going. in the mountains well are wild animals. they're unfenced and to that point it's. not guaranteed I mean when we were there.

this last season great it's great. property I mean it I nobody could argue. that it's incredible elk hunting but. there was Hunters the week we were there. who didn't kill the week after we were. there seven guys did not kill well the. week we were there only three. did so only three guys kill bow people. make it sound like it's just shooting. fish in a barrel guaranteed 100% it's. like how many Hunters were there the. week we were there uh I'm not sure there. was I there had to be.

30 I don't know it's a it's a big piece. of property and it's [ __ ] hard man. and you got to be in shape you got to be. in real put miles miles 10 miles a day. 10 miles a day through the mountains the. end of the day you're [ __ ] exhausted. you're eating everything you can get in. your face you're so so tired and then. you're getting up in the morning and. you're doing it again and the idea that. that somehow or another that's cheating. you could think that if you like but if. you do it you go there you won't think. that if you go there you're like oh this.

is just an amazing opportunity in uh a. beautiful landscape where wild animals. live unmolested mhm you know there's. still Lions there I mean oh the one that. we saw that was the first time I'd ever. saw a full grown big ass cat in the wild. it's like wow I got to watch one missad. down in Mexico this year it was really. cool oh wow you know watched him come in. it was a. dough she was traveling I watched him. come in ahead of her and he kept looking. down and trying to guess her.

trajectory and then got and laid down. and then missed her did he go after her. and missed her like you couldn't I mean. when it was like a ball of fur dude and. she comes squirt well I'm saying I'm. kind of simplifying it where there was a. forky I didn't know about and she got up. right next this forky and then the lion. blew out and kind of first tried to roll. that. forky and then sort of sprang out of. that and tried to get the dough but it.

was like he was he was flock shooting oh. he didn't have a Target he probably if. you asked him he probably had a Target. but man they ran like hell wow it was. cool to see dude that was the second. lion I saw that night yeah that was a. rarity yeah that when I was in Colorado. this year in the week that I was there. there I killed a bull buck and a bear in. that week I saw four Lions H wow so many. lions in that country that's a lifetime. supply for seeing them without dogs it's. uh it was insane but it's.

uh yeah I was going to say that story. reminded me of you said the flock. shooting I remember this old guy who. come back from to hunting camp when I. first started he's like you see anything. he's like yeah yeah so I got on a good. herd I said did you get a shot he's like. yeah yeah what happened he's like what. well I shot over some and I shot under. some I just never forget I could just. Envision that there's the herd and try. to get an arrow in one of them but uh.

yeah it's uh you imagine being a Native. American with a [ __ ] handmade bow. chasing after those things I bet [ __ ]. didn't spook 200 yards away back then. yeah that's true yeah but know that I. the first I'm trying to think man the. first three or so deer I got I got on on. when I was a kid I killed first deer. when I was 13 the first three or so deer. I got I got all on private property and. then I killed I went into the White.

River um kind of the we justed call it. the White River swamp but down on on. National Forest land and killed a fawn. one October with my bow and you didn't. hear people like people didn't celebrate. public land hunting then it was like you. were sluming it. so you were there cuz you couldn't get. no farmer was going to let you you. didn't know any Farmers right you know. like if you went out on public land in. Michigan and you went to anybody that. was on public land and said hey do you. want to hunt like the farm over there no.

one is like out of principle by God I'm. stay here they would just they would go. to the farm but when I did get that fawn. deer which I killed over a bait Pile in. the White River swamp um it felt good. man like you know mean like I was aware. of having did this thing that I would. have yeah to having did this thing that. I would have regarded as almost like. semi impossible right you know to pull. that off oh I have a deep respect for.

people that can shoot mature animals on. public that is very hard to do and it's. very mean I and I get that you would. have a higher sense of Pride I I totally. get it I've gotten of I've gotten a. handful I've gotten like four big mu. deer um. nice me deer I've never killed a meal. deer on private property and I got four. good Mealer on public property and like. that like I can't deny that that that.

sort of means a thing to me yeah you. know not that I wouldn't like if someone. tomorrow if I drew some tag in some area. and some guy's like oh hunt my Ranch I'd. go hunt the ranch all day long but it. just H it sort of like happens that. that's true and I don't look at it and. think differently of it the same way all. kinds of factors playing to it you know. I but every year like I've gotten some. big KO deer and I've never all the koer. I've killed on big private ranches in. Mexico um except for Arizona but got.

nice deer on big private ranches in. Mexico and love the experience it's I. like all that I I'm into all that stuff. man you know yeah I I get why people. would think a certain way because it's. very similar in a lot of ways to Bow. Hunting versus rifle hunting you see. someone that kills a big bull with a. rifle like yeah that's that's a big bull. man that's awesome but if you see some. of the kills a big bulll with a bow. you're like whoa that's a bigger deal. and it feels way different as someone. who shot bulls with rifles and shot a.

bull with a bow and arrow you cannot. compare in my Fe the way it makes me. feel when I make a perfect 52 yard shot. and I watch that Arrow go in the crease. behind the shoulder and you watch that. bull buck up and you know you got them. you're like woo it's like there's. nothing like it there's nothing like it. there's nothing I was hunting with Evan. Hafer from Black Rifle coffee this uh. past October we were both El hunting at. this Ranch and uh I shot this bull and.

it was like on the fifth day of a six. day hunt it was a lot of huffing there's. a lot of [ __ ] missed opportunities a. lot of getting winded a lot of a lot of. [ __ ] went down but when I finally snuck. in and it was a long ass stalk it was. like it took me an hour and a half to. cover about 40 or 50 yards cuz I was the. the the elk was bedded and I was. barefoot I was just in my socks and I. was just slowly creeping slowly creep.

and every time he'd move his head I'd. stop and I was slowly creeping when I. finally released that arrow and it hit. that bull and I heard that whack and the. bull literally ran 30 40 yards and piled. up the woo that I let out you could have. heard it a [ __ ] mile away. I they heard it on the other side of the. canyon they were watching with. binoculars and they heard. W because it's so different if I shot it. with a rifle I'd still be pumped it's a. beautiful Bowl it's meat I'm psyched I.

got all this food now this is incredible. this is what I wanted this is what I was. working for but it's harder it's harder. to do on public land it's harder to do. with a bow there's all these there's all. these little factors that like any. accomplishment there's all these little. factors that wind up um. you know elevating experience or or some. other thing you know and then you get. into like where I'm at now in life where. for me the the high like the most. elevated experience is to have to.

witness my kids do something right take. my kids hunting yeah well cam always. talks about that like his favorite. experiences when he takes people for. their first time like you were telling. me that that the time you took that. woman yeah cat she shot that deer and. you guys are eating it like is it. getting any better than this you. introduce something to this thing that. you love you have deep passion for they. get to experience you see them get lit. up I mean you've done that so many times. I'm sure oh I want I wanted to take. Steve on that hunt I think I mentioned. that to yeah we did text about that that. was I just so I missed out you missed.

out you're done that's it but uh no I. just especially that one because that's. Oregon black toil which I grew up. hunting in Western Oregon so I really. love sharing you know the Lo small. little logging Community the badass. loggers there that are tough as hell. just that little Western Oregon Vibe I. love sharing that but then she also. killed a big 4x4 buck with ards just. this old big old buck and it was then we. you know of course packed it out as a.

steep logging unit then we cooked it up. the next morning it definitely the. Highlight I killed quite a few animals. this year none better than that mhm that. was the highlight I didn't kill it yeah. but it was just that experience it's uh. yeah there's nothing you know in my kids. I took through it the same he killed a. buck down there too this year so yeah. it's a you know you get to where and I I. said I was very competitive very tunnel. vision it was all about me and that you. know with age that changes and then.

you're like no I want to I want to share. this with people yeah so it's uh well if. you don't do that how are they going to. find out and one of the things that. you've talked about so many times Steve. is the barrier to entry for someone. who's like they're thinking about. hunting like I thought about it for. years my wife used to go crazy cuz I. would be at home watching Spirit of the. wild she's like what the [ __ ] are you. watching why you watching Ted nent and. I'm like I want to figure out how to do. someday and then I watch your showe he. plays I got to be here in case he plays. fredbear yeah well when you the master.

when I first saw your your original show. the while within right that was what it. was called when I first saw that show I. was like oh I want to talk to that guy. and that was before meater even started. and then when you invited me to come. hunting with you I was like oh finally. now I can figure this out but if it. wasn't for that having someone like you. to show me how to do it and take me out. and to to have you be my guide like [ __ ]. what are the what are the odds I'll see. people making like like young hunters or. people just starting to hunt now I'll.

see them make just see like horrible. decisions you know yeah like I think I'm. going up there in the morning and on one. hand I'll uh one hand I'll feel like bad. I'll be like oh my God it's a horrible. idea on the other hand I'm like dude yes. like that's all the stuff that you like. that had to do when I was figuring. anything out yeah like hats off to you. dude yeah you're going to get up and go. like you don't know it but you're. getting up early you're going to go try. something I recognize it as the dumbest. thing you could possibly do but like.

that's that's how you do it man that's. how you learn so that barrier to eny. like some people are have the fort. mental. fortitude where they're just going to. take it on yeah and then some people are. going to sit and be like I'm not you. know I don't have it in me to really. figure this hard ass thing out well and. until you've experienced success it's. very difficult to justify the work and. if it seems insurmountable and for a lot. of people that don't have someone like. you or someone like you taking them out. it's it's almost insurmountable because. there's so many things you have to learn.

it's not intuitive it's something that. you have to figure out through trial and. error or you have to read a lot or watch. a lot of videos and absorb all that. information yeah mostly it's you have to. learn it yourself you know because you. can read reading helps watching helps. talking helps you just got just as you. said that's how they learn they get out. there they do it themselves and then. they're like God well that didn't work. now what and that's that's how you learn. that's what's hard about hunting with. that barrier to entry is that experience.

accumulates slow for most people like. when I was hunting back home I would get. a week for Elk that's all so a week a. year and that's it you know so I had to. go out take photos try to be out there. amongst them learn body language learn. what they like to do and that takes. years so when somebody comes in late. yeah they can't shortcut that experience. part we were we were lucky to grow up. doing it and now we're in a position. where we can share it but it's it's.

tough if you didn't grow up doing it. yeah there's a few places people will. teach you how to do it you know Jesse. Griffith has that school what is it. called the new school style what is it. what is it again his school but he has a. literal like limited edition it's not. the new school but that's in it SP the. name of it so he has Jamie will pulled. up but he but he has a program where. he'll take you he'll teach you how to. shoot he'll teach you how to hunt he. teach you how to butcher teach you how. to cook the whole thing to take you. through the whole process that's so. valuable if there's something that you.

can do and especially with a renewable. resource like pigs new school of. traditional cooking I I Mar there's like. a like a somewhat contradictory new. school of traditional cooking but that's. so valuable where someone can take you. through the whole process and there's. not a lot of that available un. fortunately and even if it if it was. available it would be very difficult to. screen applicants to make sure that it's. even worth taking your time because if. you got a guy and you know he's 50 60. pounds overweight and got a bad knee and.

you want to take him on a mule deer hunt. in the mountains. like we can't really do this like you're. going to have to lose weight you're. going to have to get in shape you're. going to have to figure out a way to be. able to get to where get into something. different this is not an easy task I. think the true like there's a area and I. don't think everyone needs to get there. there's an area of expertise or a level. of expertise that I think is is. admirable and it's you know you you. learn how to hunt some particular spot. and that's great right like you learn.

how to hunt some particular spot and. that's you hunting spot and you get it. really figured out and that's a. wonderful journey and that that's really. good I think that that getting to the. point where you get that place and thing. that you're comfortable at and then you. go and be like okay I'm going to take. whatever does I learn there and try to. apply it to something totally different. and and figure that different thing out. right and get where you're good at these. spots and these things but you become. good at like deciphering figuring out.

and being able to move into totally new. things and and carry that accumulative. knowledge into these new spots like that. becomes pretty fun yeah and that's. that's a high I regard that as being not. a not better but a high level of. expertise well there's also variables. that maybe some people that are. successful in other disciplines don't. recognize as they enter into this new. world that there's different parameters. like for instance if you got someone. who's a successful white tail hunter.

that hunts out of a tree stand they're a. really good Archer but they're used to. shooting a 65lb bow with like a 350. grain arrow and they're used to shooting. these animals that are fairly small in. in and then you take them on a elk hunt. yeah and you're like hey that setup with. three three blade mechanical with a 60. lb bow and you're shooting a [ __ ]. enormous animal with huge bones like you. might not even get through the ribs with. that thing you might Center a rib and. that's a wrap like you have to recognize.

you're dealing with a totally different. thing and you're you're not you can't. just be weak you have to be physically. strong you have to be capable of making. it to you're not going to sit in a tree. stand like you got to change everything. about the way you approach it yeah you. got very successful with this one aspect. of this thing thing but you you've got a. whole new thing now you have to apply it. to and if you don't you're going to. wound animals you're going to have. problems or you're going to just not be. successful at all I remember the first. time I went out with a guy uh deep.

dropping for swordfish so I watched the. guy catch a couple swordfish in 1300. feet of water and I realized I knew. nothing about. fishing you what I mean that's so. specific you know oh my God man like all. the [ __ ] you think you know then you go. out there and you're like you're not g. to catch a fish out here. you can't do that but nowadays with. fishing you know Steve I sent you that. thing the other day where the guy had uh. he had a a screen on his phone and there. was some sort of a camera attached to.

his line like oh that guy yeah that was. crazy wild so this guy cast out and he's. looking at a screen with like a lid over. it to Shield the sun on his Rod as he's. reeling he's seeing the fish coming. towards his bait yeah not like fishing. with a camera but he's like yeah he has. a camera. wa on a he's casting and has a camera. watching fish interact with his bait. while he does a retrieve huh I didn't.

really get that was cool i' never seen. that before I was like this is crazy but. the the things that I sent you the ice. fishing guys that that's nuts man they. got [ __ ] cameras down there and like. a a fully heated Shack where they're. watching television and I tell my kid. don't want to ice fish without the. camera. well it's an added element you see the. fish like this is so cool you can watch. them sneak up to it yeah you know is uh. yeah that's it reminds me there's. something new in hunting now which I I.

don't like but it's that the heat. seeking binoculars I think it's heat. seeking oh thermal thermals yeah. thermals and to. me I I don't you can't use it for big. game hunting no it's not there's some. states where it's not regulated it's not. regulated they don't even mention it no. no no you can't but yeah you can't get. outside of legal shooting hours no but. to find them oh I see what you're saying. are there states where you're allowed to. find game with. thermal uh I think it's not it's just. not disallowed yeah I got it it's not.

addressed well there's an an issue now. where they're banning drones that use. thermal for recovery but I don't I don't. like cuz you're Scout the argument is. you're Scout of course you could be if. you're a piece of [ __ ] but like what. guys could conceivably do like in Oregon. as I'm talking about in Western Oregon. glassing those big huge loging units and. finding deer is an art I mean it is hard. to pick those things up but if you could. just put you know and find the thermal. register of it sure there oh it's right.

there you know that and that's like a. big part of killing a buck I don't like. that that needs to be regulated Yannis. was just hunting in laia and in Lavia. they get out in a. clearcut middle of the day whatever. they're going to get out in a clear cut. and put a thermal up be like nope hop. back in the car and roll out yeah I wow. and he's like I can't believe you guys. could you know I can't believe you guys. do that like I can't believe you don't. do it yeah right it works. stupid yeah I well when I was in. Scotland uh there's stag where we were.

at I was like this is amazing and they. they had a hunting ranch out there and. they said do you want to hunt and I said. do you guys use rifles and he goes yeah. I go can you use a bow can I bring a bow. and they go no we don't allow it in the. country and I was like what like you. don't allow can you watch me shoot first. like got talk to the governor set up a. Target at 80 yards and show you like. this is I know what I'm doing like let. me do this you can't yeah I think uh was.

it South Africa there was like quite a. lobbying effort to uh allow archery. equipment really. wow yeah they there's some countries. over there that didn't have it I I don't. can't I think Ted nil was involved in. something about having to show the the. how lethal it was mhm before they would. allow it was a lethality concern yeah. and I don't know what it was for I don't. know if it's was for elephant or. something like that but isn't that. always the case when people just don't.

know and you think of an an a bow and. arrow you're like well that's not as use. a gun stupid you know it's so much more. effective you know when I have that. conversation with people that are. non-hunters and they're like why do you. use a bow and arrow I go say you're more. connected it's it's quiet it's like. there's so many things about it that are. just it's more difficult to do it. requires more discipline and. concentration it's more rewarding when. you do it like isn't a rifle better. though oh yeah why don't are you trying. to get meat yes yeah supp you support.

spear hunting like I have no I have no I. have zero problem zero problem with. spear hunting I don't think it's going. to be a thing that impacts game numbers. impossible I I 100% support it with with. pigs with what but I think when I say. supported I mean like I feel that if you. had a regul. I I feel that that if if if someone. wanted to say we'd like to open it up. that people could hunt with a spear I. would probably generally say okay I just. because I don't think that this is going. to be a thing that uh reduces.

opportunity well you know you remember. the thing that happened in Canada with. Josh B they banned spear hunting because. this one controversial moment where it. was totally legal everything he did was. totally legal yeah and they just the. thing no one realized cuz there's things. that are legal and they're legal cuz. they're not illegal right right that's a. good point that's a good point yeah yeah. I I mean I don't want to hunt with a. spear but I get it you know but I always. feel like it's a gimmick like when I see. someone hide in a tree and they spear a. pig they're showing that it can be done.

yeah it's kind of a gimmick I haven't. done it um I can't I wouldn't can't. picture getting into it by any stretch. but I just don't think it uh I think it. hits like traditional for sure and then. I think it's not like I don't think it's. going to throw off. um population levels and and and lead to. like decreased opportunity no I don't. think anybody's going to be like the. spear guys got them all right they got. all the big bulls Hunters cuz they can.

hide in trees yeah I mean even if they. wouldn't have made it illegal who the. hell was going to spear hunt a bear. besides Josh up there right it's it was. it was just it it real psycho it caused. C such a stir that they had to address. itally so it's uh but it wasn't going to. have an impact on the population well. it's it be it caused a stir because it. was discussed publicly then it was like. dis it was a social media thing and it. gets into this weird area where you know. some people have a really hard time with.

people exploiting hunting on social. media because they say that you are. you're kind of like bastardizing this. beautiful thing and you're making it. just like showing things on Instagram. just like all the other things that you. show off on Instagram private jet or. your big house or your [ __ ] yachts. and [ __ ] like you you're you're making. you're cheapening this this beautiful. moment when I was a kid you had to go. down to the local sporting goods store. and staple your picture up to the brag.

board man on the community brag board. you had to go down there to see what all. was happening well it's essentially just. a limited version of what Instagram is. but it's a global brag board yeah but. that's the thing too it's you're not. getting people that come into that local. sporting good store that don't. understand hunting yeah no it that I. think that is a big deal because I think. and a big deal in that we need to think. about how we're presenting things you. know where whatever if you're down at. the local sporting if that's only.

Hunters pretty much seeing that just. like when you'd write an article like. when I wrote for Eastman's journal or. whatever that was just hunters or if. you're an outdoor channel it's just. Hunter no no nobody besides Hunters is. watching that now everybody's on social. media so I think we just need to be very. cognizant of what we're putting up there. well you do a fantastic job of that and. you have a very specific protocol you. follow you know where you'll show photos. of the hunt then you show the meat you. know you show harvesting the meat. cleaning the meat and then eventually.

you'll show a photo of the animal that. you killed sometimes I don't even do. that yeah sometimes I just show the. whatever just because the grip and grins. for some people and I have you know a. lot of people that follow that don't. hunt they have a hard. time with those pictures MH and I'm just. like I get it whatever you haven't grown. up around this I have to to me and. people like me this is part of it but I. understand I've never had anybody get. mad at me for cooking an elk steak. exactly and it's just not going to so.

it's just like do we need to put the the. grip and grinning up I mean is it. necessary I don't I don't care if people. do it I just want them to think about. what they're saying when they put it up. how they do it to me I I lead up to it I. show the country the animals. the the journey um like on this lion. hunt I actually also showed a lion. killed a cat um um uh beef calf didn't. eat any of it because if it they killed. it in the creek the lion wasn't big.

enough to drag it out of the creek so. left it and when killed an elk that's. interesting yeah followed the tracks for. three miles and I would see the lion go. and uh was sitting behind a tree all the. deer tracks were there so the lion was. hunting could and I shared all that. that's all part of the journey that's. all the cool stuff people so I say share. things like that and also you can share. your kill shot it's great but also share. what else stood out from the hunt. there's also a problem with hunting TV.

shows in that you're condensing. something that might be 7even days of 10. hour days 22 minutes yeah and then. people and then you want to pick the you. want to pick the interesting 22 minutes. yeah it's not like you just it's not. like you randomly pull out segments out. of your 100 hours of footage right yeah. it's I think it's that's been a big. benefit to tell more of the journey now. that you know Steve's on YouTube his. videos on YouTube have tons of views so. he's able to explain why the Hunt's. important what stood out to you it's.

more intellectual approach to it whereas. you didn't really have time on an. outdoor Channel show you didn't have. time to get into that some of my. favorite shows of yours a meteor you're. unsuccessful and I love that you have. those you know I remember that one where. you're getting real introspective about. your father that's like one of my. favorite episodes you ever did and it. was just you unsuccessful hunting and. it's like yeah that's also a part of it. like this is not easy and it's often. unsuccessful and I I was always you know.

a was always am always bummed to not get. something too like I'm trying but we'd. be you know back back in the early days. we were making 16 shows so you weren't. going to you know if you wouldn't spent. a week busting your ass and you didn't. get something it wasn't the option. wasn't there. to to ditch it like we were going to. make something out of it and in the end. it was great glad we did it but uh you. know I I've never gone in the woods. hoping to be unsuccessful right it. definitely happens and uh you know I but.

I always wished it was otherwise of. course you know yeah but it's just the. the editing it down to 22 minutes it. gives people that are on the outside a. completely different perspective they. think it's so easy I mean how many times. have you heard that if you a real man. you you know you'd go hunt it with a. knife or something like that something. stupid you're oh what a coward you're. shooting it from a distance with a rifle. and in that 22 minutes too there's also. sponsor obligations when it's on TV so.

it's not even 22 minutes of hunting you. know you have to have the this tips and. tactics brought to you by noler whatever. so it's like you get down to the hunt. you can't really say why the Hunt is. important to you almost it's like it. doesn't give you time to to. that story so we've it's a big benefit. to us with social media now we're not we. don't need approval by an editor we. don't need the the channel to approve. how long this thing is we put it on. YouTube and then we can tell the story.

of the hunt in a more honest and. relatable fashion hopefully and explain. why it's difficult and people understand. it what kind of restrictions do YouTube. put on hunting videos now because I know. that you can push it a little far and. get dinged what is it pushing the the. kill shot is it BL it winds up being no. like blood and and uh skinning shots any. kind of graphic like uh we know we got. the first ding you hit is you hit a. demonetization thing right and then you.

can hit other levels of dings and. there's like a little scorecard but um. oddly uh doing a NE we had something. like um just like some examples of doing. a KNE cropsy on something just to. graphic organs things like that. disassembly that'll get you dinged um. you can get demonetization I believe. there's levels of demonetization you can. get around um certain Firearms issues.

but the primary thing is just like. Gore right but even put in a in terms of. a KNE cropsy so I'm sure at some level. it's like I'm sure it begins as a. AI thing right scouring all this footage. and find something that's like bloody. and graphic and at some level it gets. elevated we've argued and gotten our. stuff back you know if you can get. someone's ear and you can get it tested. by a person and gotten it back but that. is the primary thing is just is Gore.

there was talk of them eliminating kill. shots I haven't that could be I haven't. heard that I remember I think that got. rescinded but I think there were some. issues uh here it goes you you can turn. on ads for this content hunting content. where there's no depiction of graphic. animal injuries or prolonged suffering. hunting videos where the moment of kill. or injury is IND discernible and no. focal footage of how this dead animal is. processed for trophy or food purposes. boy that's pretty [ __ ] limited yeah.

well like for for me I had I had one. that was limited in age restriction so. people 18 and under couldn't watch it. was it a Firearms infraction or no no. would have been firearm just archery but. and and I don't monetize any of my. hunting videos cuz I just don't even. want to deal with oh you're killing for. [ __ ] profit or whatever the hell so. I'm like I don't even I don't make any. money off you don't turn monetization no. not for hunting I do it for my lift run. shoot and my podcast but for just the.

hunting I'm not M that's a good way to. but I still got that that age. restriction because of they said the. gore then there was an outfit that uh um. what's his name Jason I think it's. Sportsman's Alliance maybe but anyway. they wrote they appealed it for me they. got it in hold uh in touch with YouTube. and appealed their decision and got it. overturned so they for people like me. they or for like us creators they will.

go to go to bat forest and yeah often. times I've seen cases I remember our. senator in uh our our senator in Montana. got uh dinged on one of the social media. platforms for having like a picture of. him and his wife with a pronghorn yeah. and his account got taken down and the. minute humans became aware of this or. like the right humans became aware of. this they did like a very quick reversal. yeah so the the way the way we generally.

look at with putting up video. content is we'll try to avoid um we'll. try to avoid. demonetization being demonetization. meaning you cross some line right but I. but the thing is I haven't found it to. be like it's not like an owner's process. I feel that it's pretty um if you if you. compare it to other channels of. distribution I have not found YouTube to. be like dramatically over restrictive.

especially compared to any kind of um. especially compared to any kind of like. Network parameter right they're not. they're not they might be bad but. they're not bad compared to anybody else. no and that one that was Jason quick who. helped me with that I just remembered. his last name but that one I showed I. killed this bull on San Carlos and I. think I showed the lungs or where the. arrow hit you know and that's that's. what got it and it wasn't once I. appealed at myself they said no we're.

upholding the restriction and then they. did get it overturned it took so it took. a couple times but still is reasonable. and they took they had age restrictions. on other ones I didn't even know about. but I didn't notice it the viewership. was down and um and so that they lifted. all those so it's kind of a weird. situation where although there are many. many video platforms YouTube essentially. has an overwhelming majority of people.

into into the point where it's almost a. monopoly MH you know and if you have. things like that that are very valuable. to people like I want to see where the. arrow hits yeah I I I like when I see. blood pouring out of an animal because I. know that that's a lethal shot that's. what you want like that it might be. graphic to some people but if I I see a. rage hit behind the shoulder on a deer. and I see that blood squirting out as. soon as a deer starts moving I'm like.

that guy got that deer that's a dead. deer that's what you want you know it. doesn't seem it doesn't seem awful to me. it seems better because that's a lethal. shot that's a successful hunt that's. what you're trying to do to pretend. that's not what you're trying to do boy. that seems insane and if you're doing it. only to protect the the ignorant that. seems insane too it's like you don't. have to watch those videos and if you're. going to allow those videos on the. platform you should allow those videos. to be a realistic depiction of what.

everybody's trying to do which is a. lethal shot on an animal and if you hit. a lethal shot on an animal and you hit. it in the vitals and you use a a a. strong arrow with a great Broadhead. you're going to get blood squirting out. of it because that's what you want the. last thing you want to see is an arrow. hit an animal and no blood comes out. yeah that I mean and that's okay well. and meanwhile they show PE people. getting killed I think on YouTube don't. they I do not know I they pull those I.

think they being injured well you see it. on the war videos you see it blocked out. obscured yeah uh the some of the the the. hunting networks used to have. self-imposed. restrictions that they felt. [Music]. were um cleaning up hunting for the sake. of non- hunters looking in and and it. was counterproductive because they would. have a restriction um that they didn't.

want to see raw meat they didn't want to. see bare. bone and so it created this sense of uh. like when I say counterproductive if you. were looking in on it watching it there. was no acknowledgement of what happens. to it later which created the sense that. maybe nothing right you know and and. then that that eventually corrected. itself and they're like oh some level of. Gore right in parentheses like some.

level of Gore is helpful in explaining. the process but the Instinct early on. the Instinct was to not have any of that. right and people would get dinged for. raw meat they'd get dinged for like a. bone sticking out of a backpack one of. the things I really appreciated about. your shows particularly early on is that. you have a lot of segments where you. cook the meat and there's a lot of shows. where they don't cook the meat that that. was our trademark dude big difference. big difference I mean it's it's much. more enjoyable like one of my favorite.

videos is you when you shot that black. pair that had the blueberries sure yeah. and you you're watching like you're. explaining like look how purple this fat. is cuz this thing's just been gorging on. blueberries then you're cooking it and. eating it like that to me is like that's. a a full range of what the experience of. hunting is about I wish more people. would do that I find out looking back on. those days it's like I sometimes look. back and it be like it was just shocking. that that. wasn't it's shocking that that wasn't. out there more yeah at the time you know.

it was like it's something like so. simple and Elemental and it was just uh. surprised people it was almost. non-existent yeah surpris people on. those Outdoor Channel shows you you very. very rarely saw someone cooking the. animal that they killed it was I think. it was kind of assumed just because of. how we grew up and in magazines they. never talked about that you never read. an article where they talked about how. they process the meat or ate it they'd. have a recipe a finished a finished like. a recipe with with [ __ ] you take out of.

the freezer but there was there was an. ignored part there was the old Fred Bear. videos you know he Fred Bear is making. videos way before we ever started. hunting the meat was never shown so it. was just kind of like that's just how we. learned then. Steve a brilliant idea meat eater yeah I. mean meat eater right there you got the. fork you got the forks on the freaking. moose so it's. like that was the best decision ever.

because it addresses that part of it. which was kind of like it's impressive. that you foresaw what might be a a. challenge for us you know explaining. hunting so that was just like brilliant. to come up with that but it to to our. defense that was never a thing we we. just knew I mean I read this old article. my first deer I killed that Spike that I. said when I was 15 I wrote this little. thing for the school newspaper and said. I got 37 pounds of hamburger from it and. I I don't know I don't know why because.

I don't know why it said that a great. school newspaper entry yeah yeah cuz. nobody ever talked about it but it was. like that's hilarious yeah it was funny. I said something like my mom was happy. because we got 37 lbs it's probably all. we got off that deer was pretty small. yeah yeah but but but yeah so I mean. it's uh yeah it has changed and it. certainly opens people's eyes up that. are non hunters and it's I think I think. it's a very valuable addition to this. whole video depiction of what hunting is. all about you know and also you're a.

really good cook so you would get like. really like involved and make some. pretty cool recipes and you know you'd. cook for your staff and you got episodes. like that where you cooked all these. different preparations of different Wild. game it's cool yeah it adds to it MH. well thank you appreciate it well listen. let's wrap it. up let's bring this bad boy home um meat. eaters available it's essentially only. online now right yep yeah well we have. you know like the fast channels and but.

yeah you can find everything we do on. YouTube so I just want to say to me huge. honor you guys are the voices of hunting. it's like what he the voice of hunting. [ __ ] shut the [ __ ] up no I you guys are. so well versed in how to discuss it how. to explain it as you it's like I I'm. honored to be here and do have a podcast. with Steve we've done a lot of podcasts. but to have all three of us here it. means a lot to me so thank you listen. that's great thank you it means a lot to. me you two are the main reason why I got.

into hunting 100% and without you taking. me out to shoot that one mule deer that. sits privately on that table it's uh. changed my life both you both of you did. appreciate you love you too all right. bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].