Joe Rogan Experience #2085 - Charles Wesley Godwin

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day what's up man pleasure to meet you. what's happening pleasure to be here Joe. thanks for having listen my honor I love. your music I got uh introduced to you by. Duncan we were in The Green Room of the. mothership and Duncan goes you got to. hear this and he puts on Family Ties and. I like damn that's a good [ __ ] song. and then we played C Country Roads and.

then we just got on a roll and then like. the whole night we played your music. hell yeah dude it was [ __ ] awesome he. was telling me that you know he he. showed my music to you he said normally. you don't like his recommendations but. he said W he'll he'll go little emo on. you but he he said that you dug that and. I was like holy [ __ ] man isn't that. something I uh Duncan was really cool I. was like I was at uh Apple studios in. Nashville doing like this live session. thing with them when he he messaged me.

on Twitter and asked me to be on his. podcast and like that made my my. freaking weak like I was like holy [ __ ]. Dunn Trestle likes my music [ __ ] yeah. and then we we were doing his podcast. and then afterwards he's like yeah man I. I showed your music to Joe and he really. liked it too I was like [ __ ] yeah so. yeah shout out to Duncan I appreciate. him doing that man no Duncan's the man. he is one of the most unusual people. that I've ever met in my life there's. not another one like him yeah he's. cracking me up yeah he's a one of one. yeah.

that's a one of one when he moved here I. was so happy cuz he was he uh went to. Asheville cuz you know he grew up in. Asheville and uh he moved there and it. was just you know during the pandemic it. got Bleak there you know the jobs were. all dried up everything was [ __ ]. everything closed down and he said crime. was crazy it's like Asheville is like. per capita in the top 10 of uh crime in. the country oh holy [ __ ] so I mean I. might have made that up no [ __ ] I see if. that's a fact cuz I think I'm pretty.

sure Duncan told me that but he's like. dude there's so much [ __ ] crime it's. everywhere everyone's on math you're. dunking impersonation way better than. mine but uh we we recorded the album. there we were there for two weeks last. January and uh it's like sleepy this. time of year I guess their their tourism. is is at its lowest in January and dude. I loved it it's gorgeous I love the town. and and you know I don't know it had. some some homeless and and stuff like. that but damn I didn't know that I went.

back I went there back in two I think I. did a gig there in 2015 or 16 somewhere. around then I was like God damn what a. great town just a perfect size not too. big you know cool artsy beautiful. scenery you know it's like the mountains. yeah I dig it we were at the uh we. played the orange peel um I don't like. four or five weeks ago and it felt like. a HomeTown show yeah that's a stronghold. there in the mountains Duncan grew up.

there and he said when he was growing up. there uh there was so many cows that had. magic mushrooms in their [ __ ] that the. farmers started putting some sort of. anti-fungal thing in the cow's food so. that it would repel the fungus from the. cow [ __ ] I was like how satanic people. people were going out in their Meadows. trying to trying to harvest those bad. boys he said it was everywhere what is. this it was up in a around April so. about a year ago but what does this have.

to do with Epstein that's just the. picture that's on the oh I like what are. you saying tourist toown Asheville. rocked by violence in the wake of defund. police movement rolls out plan to combat. crime Spike yeah so there was a big ass. crime Spike damn yeah he said it was. crazy yeah he said you but that's the. saddest [ __ ] [ __ ] about like small. rural communities is when everything. dries up there's nothing there's nothing. there there's no there's no other jobs. there's no other place to go there's. it's just if if you have a small.

population of humans and they all live. together if if the industry dries up if. business is shut down if things go under. like everyone's [ __ ] like people are. so Reliant yeah that that's happening in. my hometown right now what's your. hometown Morgantown West Virginia and. it's you know it it has its ups and. downs and right now it's definitely a. bit of a Down we had a a big. pharmaceutical company that was based. out of West Virginia um called milin and. the founder passed away way a little.

over a decade ago so then when that. happens you know it it it goes into. folks that didn't build it themselves. and they ended up selling to an Israeli. company and once that happened they shut. down those headquarters in Morgantown. where it had always been I think that. was 1,200 Jobs in a town of 26,000. people in in the city limits so you. imagine how many people that affects oh. in the big circle then co uh which that. happened during Co so then you Al you.

also had Co so you know our our main. street it's called High Street is and. it's like one3 closed down and used to. be all open [ __ ] you know did you ever. see Roger and me the documentary mm it's. a Michael Moore documentary it's the. first one that he did it's his best one. I think and it's uh about Flint Michigan. and it's about when what happened when. the um car manufacturers all moved out. of the country and it's the saddest.

[ __ ] documentary man it's just they. just up and pulled the factories just so. they could make more money having people. work for cheaper and the whole town just. collapsed collapsed it's just it's so. sad one of the saddest things is there's. a lady that has a signs say bunnies for. pets or. food damn. yeah like you want to think that like. you're committed to selling bunnies as a. pet if it's a you know imagine that. little puppy we were showing Jam's.

getting a puppy at French Bulldog and. Jamie treding to con me into taking one. of them and might worked it might have. worked I did a dirty trick I sent I sent. a video of this puppy to all my. daughters and my wife so we might have a. puppy and it was definitely like Jamie. knew that was going to happen too it. seemed he didn't know that I waited he. waited a little bit he didn't know that. but but the moment I emailed it to the. daughters I was like they're going to. [ __ ] go. crazy um but imagine story what's that.

to what you were saying there it is. right there rabbit bunnies pets or meat. for sale that's something you don't see. in the US every day it's a dark document. look at her she's skinning it right. there like she's on alone yeah it's just. and she kills it right there too and you. know she's holding it and cuddling it. and then she snaps its [ __ ] neck and. Cooks it it's just uh you would imagine. like those puppies they like Jamie if. they said you could keep this as a pet. or you could eat it like dude you you. see it in Flint we play there once a.

year and our shows are great and the. people are great but Man compared I see. all the towns Across America and that. that one's it's dark different they. haven't done jack [ __ ] to fix that water. either I don't think they fixed that. water at all have they so I don't think. so remember when Obama went there that. was a long time ago man that's two. presidents ago I remember seeing videos. of people you know lighting it on fire. well that is uh from the that's fracking. that's from that movie gas land and.

that's uh that's different Did I Get. Fooled yeah well they might have did it. in Flint too but there there are places. in the country where you can light your. [ __ ] tap water on. fire unreal yeah and they say there's. been some of that that existed even. before. fracking it's kind of confusing because. you don't know how much the fracking. industry is like oh that's always been. here do not concern yourself with this. this is no longer an issue this is a. little bit contamination but look on the.

bright side yeah you never know you can. put just take tap water and fuel your. car and you know use it as a candle yeah. you you can never take you know the when. when somebody's business is at stake you. got to kind of you got to get some. different points of view on those types. of things yeah it's very difficult to. know what the [ __ ] is actually going on. but overall it seems like fracking does. a lot of [ __ ] up [ __ ] updated it says. they've got their lead levels below the. federal threshold for like the or. seventh year in a row oh okay but what.

does that mean what's the federal I. don't like that I don't like that term. Federal threshold in there but what I. mean wouldn't it how much would it cost. think about how much money they spent on. Ukraine how much would it cost to. provide every family in Flint with a. filtration system like a real hardcore. filtration system that provides them. with absolutely clean. water I guarantee you it wouldn't be. [ __ ] 70 billion dollars or whatever.

we've sent over to Ukraine yeah it'd be. a lot less than that be a lot less than. that but not a goddamn thought of it not. a conversation about massive filtration. systems like there's a way to do this we. got to provide every family you it's a. small F's not that big mhm yeah I mean. there's for just over 40,000 households. so yeah that's not that big man that is. not that big $1,000 a piece yeah how. much is that I'm just guessing like if. it if it was a th000 a piece that'd be. pretty easy I feel like it probably used. to be way bigger than that too I bet you.

know that's not that's not much bigger. in Morgantown you know and with all the. car industry stuff that used to be there. it wouldn't surprise me if they had. hundreds gu thousands have you ever seen. um videos of Detroit from the 1950s and. 60s yeah yeah it's like Detroit was one. of the biggest [ __ ] most wealthy. cities in the world mhm in the world. yeah and now you got trees growing. through houses because the houses have. been abandoned um Top Gear that show.

they went there I think it wasn't Top. Gear at the time I think it was when. they did the other show and did it for. Amazon what was that called when they. did it to Amazon when they went over to. Amazon the oh I know what you're talking. about I can't remember the name though. but what what they did was they bought a. house for like. $500 and you know they were like hanging. out in this house while they live while. they were staying there I was like you. get a house for 500 bucks like what I. looked into that one time there's it's a.

little bit of a loophole when you're. buying it for 500 bucks at least the the. way it was when I read it uh you're. making a commitment to get it up to code. within like seven days or something like. that you have a very limited amount of. time H up to you don't know you have to. but yeah that's you're spending $60,000. on top of that to get it up to code oh. really like you're buying it for 500 but. you're making commitment to fix it you. get a house for 60 Grand but I also I. think Mike EPS just fixed up a whole. block of houses not there but in Gary. Indiana or outside of indie no [ __ ]. shout out to caps that's awesome just.

like that just like you bought a bunch. bought the whole block [ __ ] yeah that's. awesome I heard uh Detroit has a bunch. of manufacturing space it's kind of a. good opportunity for somebody that if. somebody's got you know something that. they want to make it's kind of a good. place to go and get after it we've uh I. think the last time we were there we. opened for for Zach at uh one of those. theaters there but we were kind of. chilling around. downtown and it seems to be a little bit. on the up and up in some parts of the. they by the baseball stadium MH you know.

and then compared to years past like you. know a while back when I'd been there. before it seemed like maybe it's taking. a turn for the better yeah there's a. little bit of a Resurgence there's a. Resurgence of like small businesses. being established there I know shinola's. out of there you ever heard of that. company Shola yeah American watches mhm. they make watches they make a bunch of. different stuff leather goods cool stuff. they make like really good like. messenger bags and that kind of [ __ ]. like real cool americanmade stuff so you.

know that's nice it's nice that things. like that are happening where people do. recogn and and if you drive down there. there's so much area that is available. there's so many buildings that are just. completely abandoned and the windows are. all shattered and covered spray paint. graffiti but the bones are still there. yeah you know if somebody wanted to. rebuild it yeah if you you got a good. idea and want some manufacturing space. that'd be a good spot to go back in the. day during that you know the the car. boom like Canton Ohio Detroit Toledo uh.

Flint it was a lot of like folks from. the mountains that were moving up there. and and getting those jobs and um I. think that was the Hillbilly Highway is. like that where that come that term. comes from and my grandparents were were. one of those they moved up to Canton. Ohio and my granddad was working for. Ford and the the place where we're from. in West Virginia is super country like. very rural I think there's 4,000 people. in the county. now in pendon county and there was this.

this local guy I can't remember his name. but my uh my great-grandparents had an. old like store and where you could kind. of go and you get your boots and your. milk and your eggs and everything in. this one little general store and it was. a hangout too and this guy was like. coming in the store he's like I'm going. to Detroit I'm telling you all what I'm. going to get a job headed up there and. he's talking about it for months and. months and then finally he's like I'm. going and he gets in the car and goes.

everybody's like there goes so and so. and then 2 weeks later he rolled back. into town he never made it he couldn't. find his. way he couldn't read couldn't you know. wasn't able to read a map well enough. and just gave up and turned around and. end up coming home after two weeks. that's hilarious just gave up on that. dream boy imagine people today trying to. use maps isn't that funny that like. being able to read a map kind of went. away yeah when I was a kid not a kid. when I was was 20 well first of all when.

I first started doing standup comedy I. would use one of these things like a. legal pad and I would get a phone call. you know and they' go hey we got a gig. for you and uh here's your directions. you got a pen I'm like okay and you're. like okay you're going to take the 405. to the this to that to the dine to the. [ __ ] you're going to take a ride on. this road go two miles down the highway. you're going to find a building like wow. oh my God and that's how we did it so I. used to have like a folder where I had. the direct C to all these different Road.

gigs that were written down and that's. how I got around and then when I came to. California I got a Thomas guide I was. like wow I'm in the [ __ ] future you. know I got a whole book of maps and. everybody had a Thomas guide and you. would I remember first time Bill Burr. visited my house uh he took he had a. Thomas guide he he figured out how to. get to my house with the Thomas guide I. gave him the address and he showed up. with a [ __ ] mapbook on his front seat. unreal those are different now you know.

when I was a I was a little kid and on. our family vacations my brother my older. brother would be like he would he would. read the map and like give the. directions to usually my dad was driving. um but yeah by the time I started like. working you know thank God for that GPS. I can't imagine doing that like trying. to find my way cuz hell I mean first. time I had GPS it was like 908. [Music]. something like that 98 or 99 I had a it.

was a like a CD ROM that you stuck in in. the uh the CD player I had a little flip. up screen I thought like this is the. [ __ ] I had an Acura NSX and the little. screen would pop up and you put in the. CD and it was only for Los Angeles yeah. and it was real slow was real slow and. shitty but I was like dude I'm in a. James Bond movie yeah 98 that's some top. [ __ ] right there this Mission Impossible. look at this I'm [ __ ] following the. directions on a I had a little thing.

that sat on the roof that was like the. GPS thing that would like read the sky. and then it would somehow or another. communicate with this map that was on my. my screen damn yeah did you ever Miss. Giggs back in the map days when you're. you know I was pretty good at it pretty. good at it yeah I was pretty good at it. and they were they were pretty good at. giving solid directions to [ __ ]. comedians yeah that's the thing it's. like reading that map and then you the. type of folks that are Comedians and. musicians were you know are yeah we're. not the most capable always we're real.

similar musicians and comedians always. seem to like get along real good we have. like real similar sort of just. sensibilities yeah dealing with a lot of. Clowny [ __ ] a lot of Clowny [ __ ] a lot. of [ __ ] irresponsible impulsive. people a lot of a lot of substances a. lot of a lot of chaos a lot of fun a lot. of rebels you know you don't pursue that. dream if you've got you know a law.

degree and you know a future with the. firm and you know everything's lined up. and you got your 401k no it's like you. got to be a wild person you got to have. a screw loose 100% somewhere there's got. to be a screw loose or you know there's. some there's some major some major issue. whether whether they express it or not. and but that's how the great stuff comes. like look at jelly roll how do you you. don't get a jelly roll no with with a. guy who's had like a perfect education.

and a well-rounded lifestyle and you. don't get that beautiful amazing soulful. music and that incredible human being. you don't get that out of that I don't. know him but you know just listening to. him talk I don't think even 15 years ago. jelly roll could be who he is now right. if it would have happened earlier cuz he. kind of jokes about you know like best. new he got the best new artist of the. year and he's like like 39 or whatever.

and he was kind of joking about that but. you know for him the time that is the. right time for him yeah and you know. it's just different it aligned perfectly. we a guy like jelly roll especially in. country right you see a guy like jelly. roll with face tattoos and like gold. teeth and [ __ ] like what yeah like that. guy yeah 20 years ago you never never. see that but you know times are. different in a good way in a lot of good. ways in country mus a lot of great ways. in all music music in art in general.

it's like these communities are sort of. colliding with each other and you're. getting these sort of interesting. mixtures of of people MH yeah you got. post Malone in the same country music. covering seril Simpson and stuff like. that and it's like [ __ ] yeah exactly. exactly I watched his uh sorry the uh. NPR tiny desk concert and oh I didn't. see that amazing dude it's amazing did. you see scar faces No oh my God it's. incredible incredible Scarface from the. ghetto boys did a tiny desk concert.

[ __ ] amazing amazing just like he did. it he altered the music to fit the vibe. of this tiny desk thing are you you are. you a Ghetto Boys fan I didn't listen to. them much dude when I was a kid Ghetto. boys were the [ __ ] when I delivered. newspapers I used to deliver newspapers. I'd drive around listen to Ghetto Boys. [ __ ] yeah he was he was on here before. talking about playing to half million. people was that one no that was be real.

that was be real from cyp I remember. hearing that and I remember I'll never. forget that when he was telling that. story a half million people at a music. festival that was Woodstock yeah half a. million people someone stole his shoes. he he was crowd surfing and soone still. with sneakers off him when you're. playing a half million people and you. lose your shoes whatever whatever that's. the price you pay for just getting to. experience something that God that's got. to be crazy how many people have ever. experienced that in life I know right.

that's got to be nuts man that's got to. be nuts this is something nuts about. just enormous crowds but enormous crowds. vibing to your music has to be crazy. that has to be really that has to be so. surreal there was a um there's a. video that my band mates were showing me. from I think it was like that '90s. Woodstock the it might have been the. same one maybe a different day but it.

was like Metallica or corn I think it. was corn and that sea of people is it. looks like a sea with all them like. jumping up and down oh wow and the video. is profound like it it it was incredible. I don't know how I don't I can't believe. nobody died yeah in that with all those. people moving but Dave Chappelle and I. uh did the Tacoma Dome once in uh look. at that so crazy oh my God it does look.

like water. [Music]. wow look at that. wow by the way that's a really good way. to get brain. damage I got some mind I never used to. think of that until I I talked to my. friend Mark Gordon who's an expert in. traumatic brain injuries and he's like. yeah you're not supposed to be bouncing. your head around like that like I got to. stop doing that I do that in my shows I.

need to stop doing that I think you. legitimately gives you brain damage I'll. start getting Punchy and I never fought. soccer players get it man soccer players. get CTE from heading the ball a soft ass. ball bouncing it off your head over and. over again will give you brain damage. yeah jet skiers you get it from jet skis. oh yeah bouncing on waves all the time. bang bang bang you get brain damage that. way which is nuts hard to believe I need. to start rethinking my life show a. little bit I do that a little too much. yeah I just it's not like you know I.

just feel it but yeah maybe I ought to. stop doing that what I was going to say. about Dave Chappelle and I we we uh we. did the Tacoma Dome which is 25,000. people in Tacoma Washington and uh we. sold out the Tacoma Dome and it was like. the highest we broke the attendance. record and we're backstage and uh the. the crowd is just nuts and and Dave. sitting there with a cigarette and he. looks at me and he goes not a whole lot. of [ __ ] get to do this yeah. yeah the percent of people that ever get. to experience that no it's so small and.

you guys do it with just a microphone. that's that's CRA like damn I'm one of. the least funny people you ever meet so. like seeing folks that can play an arena. just because of your jokes and [ __ ] like. and your ability to tell a story and the. timing and the punchline that's a uh. that's something I can never do never. ever do I have none of that no talent. for that at all it's a thing that you. either want to do and have to learn how. to do it or or you don't but it's not.

it's not outside of there's a lot of. funny people they just don't do it it's. not a thing that it's it's but it's a. long journey like to get good at standup. it takes like 10 years takes 10 solid. years of constantly performing and every. comic will look at a comic like you like. someone will tell you like how long has. he been doing it two years like all. right see you in eight years like. there's like a thing like everybody. looks at Comics that haven't been doing.

it any more than 10 years they how good. is he you know what's he got he got good. solid 15 minutes like what happen does. he fold up when you know like what's his. bits like do they have any depth to them. What's the timing like is there any. misdirection is there any like what is. the what's the level that they're at. because takes so long takes so long but. it's not like singing like you can. either sing or you can't sing you know.

like you have a god-given voice like. there's people that just can [ __ ]. sing man they can sing like they just. have this there a quality to their voice. that and they're just born with it it's. pretty amazing I don't have that yeah. whatever that is that that's the whole. reason I can do what I'm doing cuz I. didn't pick up a Guitar until I was 20. really yeah so I got a late start and. you know I'm not a great guitar player. I'm still very much like an intermediate. guitar player but you know I was.

fortunate enough to and I didn't grow up. singing so I just found out that I could. sing in my early 20s and then realized. how did you find out like what what what. were you doing before you started doing. music so I was a West Virginia. University and I wanted to play football. but I wasn't good enough that I had no. god-given talent to be good enough you. and when you want something really bad. you know that was like my my first dream. that died you know and once I let go I. had all this free time and I was like I.

need to because I've always hunted and. fished but when you're going to to class. every day you can always I need more. things to fill my time up so I was. watching the Grammys in 2011 and the a. brothers played and then they played. with with Bob Dylan and mford and Sons. and I just remember watching them being. like man that that's incredible maybe I. should pick a guitar up that'd be. something I can do productive in the. evening so that's how I I got started. and then it was about a year later in.

2012 when I actually could like string. some chores together and then I started. singing and then I started figuring it. out so you initially just started doing. it just for fun yeah yeah it was just. going to be just another like just. something to get into and and you know. something a productive hobby you know I. was just kind of looking for some more. things because um since I gave up you. know trying to play football it just. wasn't going to happen you know all that. time I used to been working out and. trying to make that happen it became.

free time because you know so I just had. to try to fill that time up with. something because I just didn't want to. sit around and and [ __ ] with my. friends all the time and you know so. that's how I got into it was there a. thing that made you realize that you. could do this professionally was there a. moment where you figured it out mhm um I. got I had a very unique first gig so I. was on the the promised scholarship at.

at West Virginia and that was this thing. for instate kids if you had good grades. you go to school for free at an. instate uh University so I was at WVU. going to school for free because of my. grades and they had a study abroad. program and my junior year I was like. I'd never been overseas I was like you. know that would be I'd like to. experience that so I went in to the. counselor's office and they kind of laid. out some different options and I got a a.

finance degree at WVU and there are four. places I could go there's hartfordshire. England Bamberg Germany tartu Estonia. and Hong Kong so they kind of like were. telling me all about the different. schools I ended up landing on tartu. Estonia as the place to go to so I went. over there and had uh brought my guitar. and I just continued practicing a little. bit in the evenings just for fun but I. had six flat mates so there was no way. that I could go anywhere and not be.

heard by them you know in our place so I. was a little uncomfortable with that CU. I wouldn't used to people listening to. me at all or or singing in front of. anybody but um I didn't want to like not. play the guitar for half a year so I. kept doing it and then when I was over. there we went to a show and one night. there in tart and there's this uh this. club it's like a little like 15. cap room maybe 200 and we go to the show.

and one of my roommates after I left had. brought taken my guitar and after the. show was done he ran up on stage and for. some reason the mic was still on his. name was balam and he uh he ran up there. and said Charlie come play a song I was. like [ __ ] no no way and then he got the. room to start chanting Charlie Charlie. and then I'm like kind of calculating my. head the pros and cons of like bitching. out or just falling through and I was.

like at this point it'd be way worse if. I bitched out and didn't go up and play. one so I went and played like a song was. it an original song no no I hadn't. started writing then didn't have any. aspirations yet to do to do this. professionally what song did you play. probably Country Roads I probably only. knew like six songs. um and I was like shaking in my jeans. just so nervous but I got through it and. then I got a Facebook message the next. that was Friday so on Monday I got a. Facebook message from a fashion designer.

there in town and she asked if I could. play for her fashion show that Friday. and I said yeah sure hell yeah she goes. can you feel 20 minutes I'm like I can. feel 20 minutes yeah so I showed up and. it was at this uh it's like this this. Cafe with like one of those Courtyards. in the middle of the building you know. what I mean you ever been in a place. like that and had these two French doors. and they had the sound all hooked up and. a couple of my American buddies that. were over there with me um came with me.

and they got me set up and then it ended. up being a lingerie fashion show so I. got is this it right here that's it oh. Jamie found it oh [ __ ] Jamie don't. embarrass me you're. playing no no. no by the way this is a song you could. [ __ ] never write today yeah hey. little girl is your daddy home did he go. and leave you all alone different times.

I got a bad desire oo I'm on fire what. the. [ __ ] that's my first. gig I made € 150. wow and as they they go in and out they. come out with less clothes on each time. what a strange gig a lingerie fashion. show there's little kids there MH people. are hanging out like fashion shows are. so strange yeah they're so strange so I.

made €1 150 EUR for for doing those 20. minutes and I was like this is the. easiest work I've ever done in my life. I'm going to keep doing this wow so when. I came back to West Virginia I started. singing bluegrass music at WVU and and. bars and stuff around town the state and. did you get any more gigs while you were. in Estonia I think I did I think if I. remember right I might have played at. that cafe a couple more times maybe Max. but it was really when I came back to. West Virginia where I started like you. know that gig that we saw right there. that gig was the thing that started the.

spark it started it yeah wow what year. was that that was. 2013 wow there it is yeah June 17th. 2013 yep. wow wow yeah and that's how that's how. it uh it began and you know I sucked you. know because M you know I just picked up. the guitar and I was just a beginner in. you know you know in the whole business. and it took.

until 2017 oh Jesus more videos oh Jamie. you're embarrassing me now bud this is. you're going to make me blush. no. [Music]. [Music]. [ __ ] come on man this is great don't be. embarrassed it's like if you were. watching yourself at an open mic oh yeah. oo I've seen those videos yeah so it it.

took me until. 2017 2018 to find my voice you when did. you start writing your own original. songs. 2014 okay so after your first gigs yeah. wow yeah yeah I was playing covers and. singing singing like Bluegrass and stuff. had you had any ideas about writing. songs had you ever written any lyrics or. had any lyrics in your head or anything. like that I started try to do it when I. like really made the decision that I.

wanted to do this and I was like well. you can't do it you know without writing. your own music you know so then I. started doing that and that that was. really bad for for a long time you know. well do you remember what your first. song was that you wrote I can't remember. what the first one would have been I. know I remember the third one cuz the. third one wasn't terrible and it. actually one that I I put it on the new. album uh for you know just kind. of I I thought thought it'd be it'd be. cool to put it on there that is cool so.

like mine but yeah most of them were. really bad and uh you started working on. it and and figuring it out what is your. writing process do you sit with a. notebook do you just start playing the. guitar and start singing how do you do. it yeah sitting with the notebook and. that voice the voice memo and then when. I'm out and about though that notes and. voice memo app I have them separate on. my phone and I'll jot down ideas hum. Melodies into it and I try to stay. pretty consistent with it and and show.

up every day and put some put some. thought into it in front of the notebook. to to get my stuff and so do you wait. for an inspiration to come to you or do. you sit down no I'll sit down even if I. got nothing just because if I do that. then I'll find myself maybe going a. whole month with without you know I um. years ago I listened to Jason isbo was. giv kind of some advice on it and he. said you know treat it treat it like a.

job like consistent you show up to the. notebook consistently show up every day. even when you're not inspired and. that'll it's kind of like um making your. own luck so to speak you have you ever. read uh Steven pressfield's the war of. art I did yeah yeah I read that I think. last year the year before um he sent us. a box of those if you want one sign a. signed copy [ __ ] yeah yeah he sent us a. box of sign I think I probably sold more. of those books for him than anybody. alive it's a great book it is I I don't.

remember who recommended it to me. originally I probably mentioned it on. the podcast and I forgot who it was but. uh it's one of the best books in terms. of like a practical guide to creativity. because you really genuinely have to. treat it like you like he considers it. the Muse like there is a muse and you. contact this Muse and if you do it. deliberately and you do it with respect. and you do it every day. th those ideas will come MH and they do.

they really do come like it's amuse like. I think there's a reason why yeah if you. don't and for me if I don't show up to. the notebook and put my time in and come. up with a bunch of junk yeah I don't. think I would have as many of the days. where a a beautiful line or a Melody. would just pop into my head yes it's. like you're you're just kind of laying. you're like Paving the way for those. those more of those Sparks that's the. same with comedy yeah I think it's the.

same with literature it's the same I. think it's the same with everything do. you know the term Museum comes from the. term Muse mm yeah that's what it's from. I had no idea what a museum is is a. place where the Muse's Creations can be. exhibited I had no idea isn't that wild. I just found that out recently but it. makes sense and there's quite a few. words apparently that uh come from the. origin of uh the idea of the Muse yeah. but that's what a museum is make sure. that's true I'm pretty sure it's it's. true I'm pretty sure it's true yeah.

makes makes sense totally makes sense I. mean Museum what does it say Greek form. Museum meant the seat of the muses a. designated philosophical institution or. place of contemplation yeah but it makes. sense you know the Muse you you address. the Muse The Muse gives you these ideas. you create these things and you exhibit. them yeah we were uh we were driving. down from Dallas this morning listening. to Willie. Nelson's uh like autobiography and he. was talking.

about almost being like a mouthpiece for. the Gods like he was saying that all the. songs there was something I'm. paraphrasing but it was like something. along the lines like all the music that. he's ever written was in him before he. was born and it was just you know his. his task was to just connect with that. like what was already inside of him he. was saying that his grandmother like. told him that that all that that music. inside of him was was was given by God. it was a it was an interesting idea on.

it it's a good way to look at it if you. just think that there's an an endless. well of inspiration and creativity. that's inside you that God gave you this. thing and you just got to just keep. working and get it out of you and then. give it out to people yeah and that. train of thought helps you when you go. when you're in a rut too if you you tell. yourself this is what I'm put here to do. this is what I'm meant to to do so I'm. going to do it yeah and you know I found.

myself uh been 2022 that was me I I was. in a rut cuz just a lot of circumstances. in in my life and in my in my work life. had new new things in it new pressure. that I was having a hard time writing uh. because before i' just been so free and. didn't have people depending on me and. all kinds of expectations and just being. reminded by my father-in-law about you. know this is what you're put on this. Earth to do this is what you do best.

this is what got you to the show in the. first place just just do that don't. worry about all the other stuff you. can't control there's a lot of that with. creative people this just a sort of. wrestling match in your mind about you. know anxieties what what you desire what. you hope to happen you know what where. is it going what's the future how's it. all going to unfold do I have am I run. dry do I have any more songs left inside.

of me yeah you know am I going to lose. it all yeah am I going to just start. sucking am I going to fall off is nobody. going to like me anymore that's a big. one and that was happening to me um yeah. and it was uh February 22 we got off. tour and labels started coming into the. picture for the first time before that I. I never had to worry about that and then. I had a band that was dependent upon me. and they'd given up their jobs like. they'd on all end so they have you know.

their livelihoods were dependent upon it. and it was it was uh it it took me a lot. of work to to shake all that off and get. back to like that that like clean slate. of Mind of just writing because I love. doing it and that's what I'm put here to. do yeah that that if you can have like a. a mindset that you could call upon like. a an an understanding a calling that's. in your mind that you know like no. matter how much confusion there is no.

matter how much doubt things go sideways. you're not real sure just stay on the. path just stay on that path and then. you'll have those dark moments but then. you come out of it and you're like oh. I'm all right again I'm all right again. yeah and once you gone through something. like that it makes you a lot better on. the other end because when you see it. again you're oh I know what this is yes. I'm just going to keep working right. through it and we'll be fine we're be. just just fine well that's why like. heartache for teenagers is the hardest.

thing ever never experienced it before. yeah you know you get dumped When You're. 15 you're like the world is. over it's devastating yeah it's [ __ ]. devastating if I could go back and and. talk to myself as a teenage kid oh my. God I have so much advice yeah I would. have so much advice but I wouldn't. listen anyway my young me was an idiot. he wouldn't have listened yeah I'm like. dude you're going to be if I know I have. to marry. [Music].

her she's the one for me I'm lost. without her you [ __ ] idiot you just. listening to too many stupid songs. you're fine yeah yeah life is life you. know life is short but it's also pretty. long and sometimes Young Folks they they. lose sight of you know just how much. time there is ahead of them for who. knows what's going to come come their. way there's a song lyric in that life is. short but it's also pretty long because. that is 100% true yeah definitely a good. theme for a song there yeah life is.

short it really is very short but it is. [ __ ] long it's the the the the. learning process is long yeah yeah it's. long just figure out life it's a. sludge every day every day it's just. like a little more information Creeps in. and gets sort of. like like accepted yeah like written in. I get it now okay now I [ __ ] now I.

really get it now I get it get it yeah. and then there's some other little. little aspect of life that comes around. the next year and you learn the hard way. on that one like oh [ __ ] I didn't see. that one coming yep yeah boy that's one. of the things that is positive and. negative about things like Co you know. like some major upheaval of everything. where the the whole world just gets. thrown sideways you're like whoa the the. ne negative I mean there's so many. negatives right loss of life loss of.

businesses everybody [ __ ] out each. other's throats but on the other side of. it in the other end of it you're like oh. now I kind of understand people a little. bit better now I understand why. character and discipline is so important. in friends and people that you love. people that can hang in there and deal. with things versus people that cannot. adapt and just fall apart and then look. for someone to rescue them yeah and. these these things you you only learn.

them there's only one way to learn them. you have to go through some [ __ ] yep. yeah yeah if you would have if if you. would have asked me in 2019 how was I. going to get through and React to what. ended up happened there in 2020 you know. I would have been bullshitting you if I. pretended like I knew you know my wife. and I we had no idea until until we went. through it me too yeah I've always had. in my head this thought that things. could go sideways and that I I literally. had an apocalypse truck built I had a uh.

a Toyota Land Cruiser built with a giant. gas tank and all steel bumpers and I'm. like if something gets [ __ ] up I want. something that holds a lot of gas that. can go real far and I can drive over. Hills did you get like that that unu. like bulletproof plating I didn't I. didn't cuz I I figure like if it gets to. that you're kind of [ __ ] if you're in. a goddamn gunfight and you got rubber. tires like you're kind of [ __ ] no matter. what dude this is a side note not not to.

go too much to the side but I saw a wild. video the other day of these two like. armor truck guards in South Africa oh. I've seen that did you see that yeah. that's wild they're trying to take over. this guy's armored truck and that how. good were those dudes at keeping their. [ __ ] together keeping they they kept it. together and you could and you know what. was so rare about that video is like. it's just this stable camera on them. where you're watching somebody. like trying to keep it together and. keeping it together yeah but that this.

is it right here there this is they've. already got the bullet in the glass you. know the the driver he's he's already. fighting you know in his way and then. you got his passenger there and now he's. like all right like you can see it on. his face he's like getting ready to go. yeah. wow and that is a crazy video the that. that truck ends up coming on the. passenger side and shooting some more on. that one trying to Ram the truck.

yeah yeah these guys are trying to take. over this armored. truck South Africa is wild I was looking. at this uh house that's for sale um I. was just looking I I just enjoy looking. at architecture videos for whatever. reason not not looking to buy a [ __ ]. house in South Africa but they had this. uh house that's for sale in South Africa. in Cape Town uh and it's called The Iron. Man house and this house is insane it's.

one of the coolest [ __ ] houses I've. ever seen in my life it's insane it's. like Tony Stark's house oh yeah on a. like they built this house that I mean I. think it's like $20 million which is. insane in Cape Town South Africa you. know and it's just Overlook in this. thing but Cape Town is so riddled with. crime like to have a house like that in. Cape Town you're like like hey here's. where the money is look at that house.

look at that [ __ ] house oh my God bro. is that the sickest [ __ ] house you've. ever seen in your life that's insane. it's so sick and it's like overlooking. this water that does look like the Tony. Stark house too it looks better than the. Tony Stark cu the Tony Stark house is. all just CGI this is real does it come. with that hot lady this hot lady in her. underwear is keeps peering in all these. pictures like you can have her good way. to sell it she's in every picture and. then she be here drinking waiting for. you and then she'd be in her underwear.

waiting for you to. [ __ ] look at this video look at these. photos man it's [ __ ] incredible house. but that that part of the world is a. wild part of the world I mean there's I. was uh just in the British Virgin. Islands and uh one of the people that I. was with was this lady was from South. Africa and she was explaining to us what. it's like there and she's like you know. she's like you know my generation it. wasn't that bad but now it's pretty bad. bad it's just like it's worse now yeah. she's like the violence is just crazy.

damn yeah yeah. I some country music people tore there. um really they tore South Africa dude. kit Moore was there over the summer and. uh I mean it looked incredible for him. like but I don't know if I ever find my. way there or not it's like the elevated. levels of I guess if you live there you. just get accustomed to it people get. accustomed to everything but there's. elevated levels of risk there that just. don't exist. if you're in Austin yeah but not. necessarily cuz 6th Street where my club.

is some [ __ ] shootings there on a. regular you know yeah we uh we played a. I was uh opening for a show at um oh. that that like Blues club downtown back. it was like during antones yeah that's. right and there was a shooting that. night ended up being a shooting that. night yeah it happens like in in America. well [ __ ] in the world you're going to. have violence and especially it seems.

like postco everything just got kind of. like Norms sort of dissolved reality. sort of shifted into this new strange. place where things get they're more. heightened tensions and things are more. bizarre I think than ever before and I. think you just get accustomed to that. and if you live in South Africa I guess. you just get accustomed to life in that. that Vibe just dealing with that [ __ ]. yeah people there they all have like. barb wire all over their fences and [ __ ].

yeah I can't even imagine high security. systems I mean I would imagine everybody. has to be armed also when you kill. somebody you get out of jail pretty. [ __ ] quick that pastorious guy dude I. saw that he's already out damn that he. murdered his [ __ ] girlfriend in like. 2013 man yeah if if I were her dad I'd. be how what year did he kill his. girlfriend 2012 dude it was like 10. years ago yeah I think he did 11 years.

nine years nine years he did nine years. for murder dude I got for [ __ ] murder. there's people I grew up with that are. doing three times that for you know an. armed robbery when they're 16 or 17 you. know how about dudes selling weed or. still in jail for the rest of their life. yeah I mean that's one of the cruestv. there's dudes in penitentiaries that. could look out their [ __ ] window and.

see a weed store that's they're in jail. selling weed that's a damn shame isn't. it a pro board granted pistorius's. petition in November on the grounds that. he had served half of his 13year. sentence for murdering steam Camp making. him eligible according to South African. law Jesus Christ if you all you have to. do is 13 years for killing people boy. there's a lot of people that are out. there like I think I kill that dude now. I'll do 13 years to get him off the.

[ __ ] planet there's a lot of people. like in him out there wandering around. how many people out there are like. that's your daughter that guy killed. your daughter and he only did n years oh. it'd be a no-brainer look at her she's. so. beautiful yeah bud well I mean what the. [ __ ] dude he still says he's innocent. yeah he shot her look he shot through a. [ __ ] door and and killed. you know at the very least he's guilty.

of Reckless manslaughter like what you. you don't know what your target is. you're just shooting through a [ __ ]. bathroom door or whatever he was doing. okay yeah I didn't know if my I wasn't. like relying on my memory too much but. it was a bathroom too I believe so like. theck an armed robber is in the bathroom. was he in the bathroom or was she in the. bathroom was he shooting out of the. bathroom I don't remember I feel like I. thought he was in the bathroom yeah. that's what I'm kind of remember. something else and that yeah well I. don't one thing you have to take into.

consideration if there's a lot of. break-ins if there's a lot of home. invasions in an area like we're my. friends in LA are telling me like I have. friends in La who used to be anti-gun. and they like why do you want guns and. now they all have guns and they all. they're all terrified and there's not. all of them but there's quite a few of. them that have experienced break-ins. yeah and I have one of my friends just. moved to Portugal he's just like there's. so much [ __ ] going down in La I don't. know what to do and I was telling him. hey move to Austin and then I hadn't.

talked to him for like six months and I. sent him a text message the other day. cuz he loves Korean food I go bro I. found a dope Korean food spot in Austin. he goes hey man I moved to Portugal I. was like what he's an artist crazy dude. hell of a move I was like what did you. do you moved to Portugal it's amazing. here the food's incredible people are so. nice crimes low I have heard that in. Portugal is doing Portugal is doing the. thing where everything's legal yep is. that right yep they decriminalize. everything all drugs and they. experienced a giant drop in in murders a.

giant drop in addictions in in in crime. yeah yeah like you're not supposed to. have things that people want to do. illegal it's unfortunate if people want. to do things that are terrible for you. it is unfortunate but you the the the. flip side is people are going to do it. anyway and if you make it illegal then. you're propping up illegal Enterprises. yeah and I mean if uh I'm just you know. at the end of the day I'm a musician I. don't know [ __ ] but if everything was.

legal somebody goes in and buys whatever. drug legally they're probably not going. to be Lac with fent andol exactly you. know 100% look you would have more. overdoses you would have more deaths. like if they just decided today to make. everything legal you're going to have a. spike in deaths there's no way around. that in my eyes but would you have a. corresponding drop in fenal deaths I. think you would so You' have a drop in. accidental deaths where people just take.

a little Molly they just want to go to a. rave and just [ __ ] dance and all a. sudden they're dead you would have way. less of those so that would drop but. you're going to have people that are. just addicted to drugs they're going to. overdose because of availability and. you're going to have also people that. try drugs that wouldn't have tried them. because they're illegal and they don't. want to they wouldn't know where to buy. them they don't know anybody who's. selling if you could just go to a store. and buy coke like oh what's the fuss. about let me try this coke Tain out yeah. and then you know you're a Coke addict. and you've ruined your life that's. possible too 100% but you know that.

there's personal responsibility there's. also education there's counseling. there's a bunch of different things that. could be set up to mitigate that and I. think that's the better direction for. society better than propping up cartels. we've got this [ __ ] thing that's. happening right across our border where. there's immense organizations that have. insane amounts of money cuz they've been. selling drugs that are illegal in. America yeah they're like Warlords yeah. I mean legit Warlords yeah it's I the.

some of those Property Owners down there. I don't know how they're dealing with. that bro I was just watching this video. today of uh this guy who lives on the. border and they're dealing with all. these people that come across the border. that are smuggling drugs and it's it's. [ __ ] dangerous it's like you can't. approach them can't go anywhere near. them you have no idea what they're. carrying you have no idea who they are. what they're doing and who they work for. and he's like it's terrifying they just. traveling across your property with a. backpack you know and you just got to.

just let it happen yeah and two years. ago I played a I played a show down in. San Antonio and a there was a Rancher. there at the show and we were talking. afterwards and he said and this would. have been like right around that time. this had just happened so this is April. 21 he said uh one of his best friends. who's also a. Rancher got a bunch of feds rolled up to. their house one day and put him and his. family on house. arrest for 2 days without any.

explanation as to why and then two days. go by and they say Okay um it's all good. you know we're so sorry for the. inconvenience and the guy's like whoa. whoa whoa you can't just you you have. you there has to be an explanation here. and I guess you know hopefully I'm not. getting somebody trouble here but the. guy's like I'm not supposed to tell you. this but uh we there are nine insurgents. and that were that had crossed the. border and we you know just so happened.

to get them here on your property holy. [ __ ] you know I bet the feds were. probably watching them and then when. they decided to to actually take him it. must have been on this guy's Ranch wow. so you got I mean you got your your kid. your kids are out maybe doing a chore on. the on your Ranch on your own Farm it's. yeah you got thousands of Acres or. something and who knows what what you. could be running into have you seen some. of the recent videos of the lines the.

migration Lines. Moving not just in Mexico they're moving. from South America through Mexico into. the United States I saw the ones from. like a few years back but I dude I've. almost like tuned out the numb they're. doing it again and stuff the numbers are. insane somebody just released a graph. that shows the the numbers of illegal. aliens over the last year in comparison. to previous years so it's like you see. the graph and it's like 2014 2015 2016.

and it gets to 2021 just like. yikes there's more illegals have made it. into this country over the last year I. believe than are people that live in. five different states legally oh my God. yeah w i mean West Virginia's got 1. point8 million on a real good year maybe. it's probably yeah a little less than. that and there's a lot more illegal. aliens every year coming into I mean.

what's the number per month now what's. the fix for something like that well you. got to [ __ ] have a secure border if. you want to fix it it doesn't seem like. they want to fix it like AOC was on TV. the other day doing an interview and she. was saying you know she was calling them. undocumented people and the way to do it. is to to give them a path to citizenship. well how about you know who the [ __ ]. they are because if you're a person from. another country say if you're in Europe. and you want you want to come to America. and become an American citizen you know.

you're an architect or whatever this. like a long lengthly process and they. only take a certain amount of people. every year and you have to prove that. you have a skill there's there's a. reason why you should be here legally. yeah but if you want to do it illegally. they'll give you money they'll give you. a cell phone there's people in Mexico. what they're doing is this is pretty. wild because there's a a radio station. in San Diego that is a Mexican radio. station this guy was on the Mexican. radio station is explaining how we do it. he's like he's gone back four times that.

month so every time he crosses over he. gets $2,000 he's gaming it so he's. gaming he made $8,000 in a month from. the federal government you almost like. what do you do you set up uh cuz back in. the day you know when there was you know. the I don't know everything obviously. but like maybe the similar time in. American history would have been the. early 1900s and you had all those. Europeans come. the over the US my family yeah and.

everybody went through Ellis Island or. somewhere like it where you go in and. you got some sort of papers yeah it was. pretty easy honestly check at least. though you know they they got you like. they got at least they they got a name. yeah and they well not even they kind of. people Chang their yeah they changed it. right there if it was like too hard to. pronounce sometimes yeah a lot of people. did that yeah my bass player's last name. uh got got [ __ ] with a little bit I. think I'm sure yeah a lot of people's. names got changed it was easy to come. over here back then when my grandparents.

came here but you know that was the law. back then this is not the law the law is. that you're supposed to go through this. process where they vet you and they find. off you're a criminal and they find out. if you're a terrorist and yeah they're. not doing that at all they're just. opening the border and they're. essentially buying votes yeah they. they're doing this they're they're. letting these people come in and they're. assuming these people going to vote for. the Democrats MH and it's wild it's wild. that it's happening right in front of. everybody's eyes and most people aren't. aware of it unless they see these videos. or like Elon was telling me that when.

you go there you really understand the. scope of it he goes it's extraordinary. he just you you can't believe the. numbers of people that are making their. way across it's just insane it's just. and everyone knows about it so all these. people that live in these and I don't I. don't blame them at all man if you're. just a regular person that was. unfortunate to be born in a terrible. environment and you realize if I can get. to America I can feed my family I get a. job I can work on a farm I can whatever. it is I can work in a factory and we.

could live in a good way instead of. being trapped in this hell hole in which. we were just unfortunately born in yeah. I get it [ __ ] yeah if I was in Guatemala. 100% I'd have a backpack 100% I'd be on. that on that [ __ ] Trek let's go yeah. if you get up here and get some work and. send money home how many lazy Americans. do we have in this country that just. [ __ ] off and don't want to do jack [ __ ]. and they're just [ __ ] meanwhile we. got people walking here from Mexico yeah.

yeah you see it and that's the thing. like back to the co thing Man it it uh. there like a flip to switch in a lot of. folks heads from one end of that to the. other with. with yeah you know I. mean if you're not where you're at in. life you know that you're never going to. get there half ass in your day no. wherever you happen to be it might be. the best idea to like give it your best.

yeah that's like or else you're just. going to be a miserable [ __ ] the rest of. your life well that was one thing that. happened to a lot of people that was. good they realized that this job that. they had that they hated that just went. away okay you know not only did I. [ __ ] hate this job but I thought it. was necessary because it was the only. thing that I had I didn't want to lose. it but then they just [ __ ] took it. away from me God damn it I'm going to go. for my [ __ ] dream and a lot of people. did they went for their dream they. started small businesses they got their. [ __ ] together they lost weight a lot of. people did a lot of very positive things.

when their back was against the wall and. then a lot of people just went on. unemployment and a lot of people never. wanted to get on I mean I had friends. that uh were in the bar business and. they couldn't get people to work they. couldn't get bartenders they couldn't. because people were making more money. being unemployed yeah taking. unemployment and they would rather live. like that they'd rather get that free. check mhm yeah they uh and that that was. like you know I'm I'm 31 W and I. released my first album in 2019 but I.

didn't get booking. and management and stuff like that until. even after that so Co cut the legs out. from from me things were just starting. to actually look a little bit legitimate. you know in my life and Co cut the legs. out from under that so on the other side. of that is really where you know um I. could have gone two ways. and I went back on tour in the spring of.

21 and then I started taking my full. band out with me and or seven piece. including myself in the summer of 21 and. I went broke in the fall whoa yeah yeah. I couldn't I couldn't pay my guys wow. one week and I had uh my second album. which we made during the co year went on. pre-sale that next week and I explained. to my guys what was happening and they. stuck with me and once I put the.

pre-sales up then I got a little bit you. know to keep paying them and we were. able to keep working and then I was. bleeding real bad in 21 and came down to. one point in uh Bloomington Indiana we. played the bluebird one night and I just. gotten a new day-to-day manager who's. he's done a phenomenal job for me but. anyways he had just gotten on the job. and basically broke it down for me on. the phone. how much I was losing per month and was. just saying he's like this is you're.

you're you're going belly up here this. this is over you have to cut half these. guys and even then we're going to have a. hard time making it and after that that. gig um we all sat outside in the. alleyway and I explained to them what. was happening and they all took half pay. damn so my guys were willing to go um. $50 a show damn damn and they were in. 100% they didn't have the you know their. jobs and stuff back home they they were.

with me wow and they were game to go for. that which you can't live off that and. we we kept hanging on there for a couple. months and then that second album came. out in November and we gotten on the. road with uh Zack briyan brought us out. on the road with them and you know the. the AL it worked you know the album it. did great and we made the most of our. opportunity to get open that tour for. him and you know we made it the universe.

rewards that I you know it it was that. close to just even if I wanted to I. wouldn't have had money to even put in. the gas tank but that's what makes the. story beautiful the terrible story as. you quit that's the terrible story and. you're sitting on the porch one day and. you're an old man going God damn it I. think I could have made it yeah those. are the most bitter of people man those. are the ones that talk the most [ __ ]. about other artists. they talk the most [ __ ] about other. people the people that just have these. regrets the the failed attempts the they.

didn't go through the door they didn't. do it they didn't take that risk they. didn't just run they didn't just [ __ ]. suck it up and try it that's a scary. thing but if you can get through that. scary thing that's a better life that's. a better life the the life of fear and. the life of regret that's a terrible. life that life of wishing I could have. the could have life that's the shittiest. life yeah you don't want to be that God.

damn you don't want to be that. especially when there was a spark when. there's some potential yeah like in in. the comedy world when you start out as. an open micer you start out with a bunch. of [ __ ] mental patients and crazy. people and because anybody can go on. stage you know and there's always like. one or two guys that you're with or. girls and they they got something they. got something and some of them make it. and some of them don't and if there's a. 100 of them maybe one of them will. become a professional maybe it's. probably not even that it's probably for.

500 open micers one it's probably not. even that it's probably a thousand for. every 1,000 open micers that regularly. shows up one of them will become a. working professional yeah that can. actually sell tickets but man I have. these [ __ ] dreams sometimes where I. remember these people that I knew that. they had it man they had something they. had something there's this girl that I. dated when I was like uh 21 it like the. last time I ever dated a comedian but. godamn it she was funny man she was. really funny she was really funny and I.

remember thinking damn she's funnier. than me like she's funny man she's good. like she she could she had something and. it wasn't always you know you'd have. these open mics are rough like bad. crowds like sometimes you bomb sometimes. you do well but every now and then she. would be on stage and she would catch. that wave and they'd be like look at her. go look at her girl she's going to do it. she's going to make it she [ __ ] quit. mhm and I always I think think about. people like that I think about dudes. that I knew that just had it man there's.

this one guy that I knew in from New. York remember the first time I watched. him on stage I'm like oh my God that. guy's the next Bill Hicks look at this. [ __ ] holy [ __ ] quit disappeared. went away it's A Hard Road Hard Road to. go [ __ ] but that's the life of sadness. and regret just to [ __ ] not ever go. for it it's the worst so that's like the. gave you a little. challenge man I was I was losing sleep.

bud I it was it was about yeah it was it. was like three fource of nights I I was. getting up at 2:00 in the morning and. just God I could imagine I was freaking. out but uh you know stretched out and. and honestly like I I love my guys. because they went through that with me. and they they're willing to like stick. in there so that's beautiful yeah I'm. planning on as long as they'll be with. me you know that's that's fine by me. we're we're going to do it till we're 90. years old like Willie Nelson yeah [ __ ].

yeah d That's amazing yeah everybody. loves and and you if you can hear a. story like that if you're a person out. there listening and you're not sure what. to do and you hear a story like that. godamn it go for it you might not make. it it might not work out but if it. doesn't guess what are you alive can you. breathe can you walk well you could do. it again try it again try it a different. way figure out what you did wrong and. sometimes and this this is with me cuz. like you know and even though it was a. small thing you know I wanted to play.

football for West Virginia and I wasn't. good enough and everybody I grew up with. knew I was trying to do it my whole. Hometown knew what I was trying to do. and you know it was embarrassing failing. in front of all those folks but once. you've done that once you know there's. almost a you get a little you like gain. an advantage with having felt that. before cuz you know what it's like so if. it happens again well you already been. through it right so if you've never just. fallen on your face before you might be.

scared to do it but you know that's. something that you know so if somebody. chases something out there and it. doesn't work out don't view that as a. bad thing it may pay off later when you. find the next thing and you're not. scared to go for it because you've. already you already went for this other. thing back in the past so you know why. not go for it also failure is very. important cuz that feeling that sucky. feeling of failure is an amazing. motivator mhm some of them like the big. leaps that I've made in my career as a. standup all came after bombing like you.

bomb and you just. like I gotta get to work like I got to. figure out what the [ __ ] I did wrong why. that show went so bad I gotta I gotta. buckle up and get better I I really have. to [ __ ] Focus I can't be lacad isical. I can't be lazy I got I got to get after. it like that feeling that horrible. feeling that's there on purpose that's. there it's a it's a tool it's like a. motivational tool it's there to let you. know it's a sign F it's it's a very. important potent reaction that you have.

to this bad path you did the wrong thing. you went the wrong way you took a wrong. turn you [ __ ] it all up you feel like. [ __ ] right you feel like a [ __ ] loser. good it's because you are a loser like. right now you're a loser you don't want. to be a loser right okay get to work yep. you can't be resting on those Laurels. you know yeah you just got to keep. pushing one you know a really valuable. thing and honestly I've been listening. to the show that this this show fills a. lot of time when I was you know on the. road all these years and so I was like a. 23-year old kid driving my old.

Highlander to gigs and I listened to. this show and there's can't remember. exactly when it might have been multiple. times but you'd be talking with like. fellow comedians about your alls come up. and you were talking about getting the. famine mentality out of your mind you. know you had to figure out that that's a. toxic place to be at mentally yeah is is. letting other people's success like [ __ ]. with you or make you being jealous about. it and all that and and I remember.

listening to that as a kid and I hadn't. figured that out yet for myself but. hearing that I was like oh yeah that's. that's smart just be happy for folks and. keep moving focus on you and that was. one of the most valuable things that I. ever you know learned from somebody else. was that just to get get that out of my. head there way back at the beginning and. just have that like healthy mindset. going into you know what is a a decade. long Crucible trying to make it in the. music industry is beautiful is getting. that uh that just positive frame of mind.

where you're just you're just working on. you and if you see something good happen. to somebody else hell yeah good for them. it it's it can be a positive thing when. when other people succeed and you have. that jealous demon gets in your mind you. can turn that around and use that as. inspiration but you have to consciously. understand what's happening here and. other people's success that is not your. failure that's their success and you. could use that as fuel that could be. inspiration and it could be entirely.

positive and and if especially if you. know those people the saddest thing to. me is when there's a friend and one. friend has something really big happen. the other friend gets jealous and starts. [ __ ] on that friend because of it. and you see it in comedy all the time. and it's a it's a terrible. mindset and there's the same experience. could be approached in a completely. different way where your friend makes it. you're like dude [ __ ] yeah God damn it. you did it this is incredible holy [ __ ].

you're killing it I'm so pump man I'm. gonna get to work now I'm gonna I'm. gonna work harder I'm gonna I'm gonna. carve my path now now that I know that. you did it now that I feel that that. that sense that I want that in my life I. want to achieve that it can be Fuel and. that fuel is important it's so valuable. and instead people piss that fuel away. as jealousy and bitterness where it does. you no good it poisons you it ruins you. you're hoping for someone's failure and.

it's such a terrible weakness it's a. terrible weakness of character that so. many people just give into yeah and you. don't have to the exact same experience. where someone is killing it can be fuel. for you even if you don't like that. person like that's the highest level of. it you don't even like a guy you see. they killing and go you know what they. [ __ ] earned it man they're out there. kicking ass maybe I don't like their. personality maybe they're just [ __ ]. they're so focused on success they're.

kind of a [ __ ] to other people but. you know what man look that [ __ ] guy. put in that work and now he's I admire. that ambition I admire that work ethic I. I will Embrace that I'll Embrace that I. don't want to be that person I don't. want to be a shitty person I want to be. a nice person but I I I also want to be. successful how the [ __ ] do I incorporate. this into my life I I I need this this. is fuel for me and to look at it that. way that's a way better way and it's the. same exact experience the same exact.

materials but instead of using those. materials to like why not me instead. you're like [ __ ] yeah now I'm going to. go for it it gives you positive energy. instead of negative energy it's just a a. mindset that you have to embrace it's. huge yeah and I I think without that I. don't know if I would have made it you. know what I mean just those those years. you have got to muster up all the. positivity you can cuz you're not you're. not getting it you know from the bar the. restaurant and the brewery and the cafes.

and sleeping in the back of your car um. being broke you know folks coming up and. telling you to turn it off I mean dude I. I mean [ __ ] I had you know man um so. yeah that having that frame of mind gets. you through those Hard Times yeah and. the scene you I I came up you know and. basically in the West Virginia music. scene there isn't much of one and it was. not that it it was very much the famine. mentality um so I got help from certain.

promoters and venue owners but other. established musicians in the state no. and when you know I I recognized that at. the time and I told myself if I'm ever. in if I ever have the opportunity to I'm. going to do things differently and then. once I started getting out there into. the music world a little bit and. actually playing some proper shows man I. was I was was blessed to be to get to. open for very supportive people that. that helped me out and were happy to.

bring me on the road that's awesome and. you know they they wanted to bring the. best show that they could and you know. I'll never forget that and then I I try. to do that now who's the first person to. brought you in the road the the first. legit shows that I got to play and and. open for somebody um you know Traveling. Show to show with them was William Clark. green here out of Texas I did an East. Coast run with him and William was super. cool to me and you know I was nervous. going into it because these are some of. my first like actual venue shows outside.

of my hometown that I ever played I'd. only done restaurants and bars before. that and I remember one night William. was like if you he told the crowd. towards the end of his set he's like if. if one of you all if you guys buy a. piece of Chuck's merch I'll give you a. free CD like a free sign CD or something. like that so I mean oh wow you know I. mean I think I made like $700 at the. merch table that night as a solo opener. and man that was that was a good night.

then awes back in that day and then uh. Ward Davis took me out with him for two. years and you know get that allowed me. to get my feet on the ground and start. building you know a good loyal following. and you know W Ward's learned a lot of. hard thing like a lot of things the hard. way and shared a lot of experience with. me which has saved me some hard lessons. that's important like someone who's a. mentor that's gone through it already. absolutely can give you some advice yeah. absolutely and then uh and then Zach.

Bryan and you know and Zach's way just. opening up his giant following to to us. and letting us open you know three of. his tours oh that's amazing you know. what I mean and and you know those those. three in particular like were were huge. and then you know I've opened for some. fantastic people since then but like. those were the three that were like you. know William was the first and then Ward. was the you know Ward and Zach were the. ones that I opened for the.

longest and yeah it's it's nice to be in. a spot now where I get to pick folks. that are coming up that are really. really [ __ ] good and get to bring. them out on the road and have a show. just the the internet you know the. internet you know hearsay and you just. hear things about about folks um one guy. that he opened a a West Coast tour with. us this summer and this is like kind of. that that great example of just like uh. having a good a good circle of folks. that that you you're able to work with.

um Wyatt Flor and why it can't be. opening for me now like I I mean we did. our last show together um he was my one. of my openers at the at the Ryman and we. did a shot after the second show and I. said now you got to remember this Bud. remember when you play Madison Square. Garden the first time you make sure you. have me and the boys as your opener for. for that one cuz you know just. everybody's on their own timeline. and why it's just you know his is his is. going real fast that's awesome yeah and.

it's great for him man that is cool and. that that is where that mentality comes. in that other people's success is not. your failure beautiful it's just. beautiful yeah my wife and my kids are. fine my band now everybody's you know. they're F getting married getting homes. and like we're good everything's going. to be fine we just keep doing our thing. exactly and uh the more more folks that. succeed the better yes yes and the world. needs more great music it really does. there ain't nobody that's only listening. to one person I always say iPod nobody's.

got an iPod anymore but there's nobody. that's only listening to One artist in. their on their Spotify or if they are. it's probably a stalker you know what I. mean like people are listening to a. hundred different F Maybe Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift might have like one dude. out there that only has Taylor Swift. songs going 247 he's got a Taylor Swift. t-shirt he tucks his dick in his [ __ ]. underwear and stands in the mirror and. pretends he's. her there's there's a few people out. there that. might yeah God imagine being her.

security detail Jesus Christ I'd be. interested to uh hear hear some of their. stories I bet there's been some some. [ __ ] oh my God it has to be like there's. I mean in the history of artists there's. only a handful small handful that have. got to that Taylor Swift level that's. the level where almost everyone goes. crazy I don't even think you can count. it on two hands I don't think so mhm no. it's like there's Michael Jackson The. Beatles Elvis there's like a few but.

she's in a crazy place man she's doing. stadiums every night every night Stadium. Stadium stadiums they're all they sold. out instantly tickets go for. astronomical numbers and then there's a. stadium of people outside the stadium. just trying to listen to The Echoes of. the PA yeah that's that's something I've. never seen like you see you see some. soldout Stadium tours and stuff but you. don't see that yeah where like it's that. overhead and then it looks like the. Washington Mall outside of the stadium.

folks just trying to hear like that like. echo of her voice from a half mile away. some of the first live shows that I ever. saw I was a security guard at Great. Woods Great Woods is this place in. Mansfield Massachusetts it's this like. outside uh performance Amphitheater and. uh some of the First shows that I ever. saw live first show I ever saw live was. a Jay GES band maybe maybe it was George. Duro good it was like George thorough. good and. destroyers and. um I think that was like the first band.

that I paid to see when I was a kid but. then when I was older and I worked as a. security guard I worked for this place. so I I saw concerts all the time I saw. so many different concerts and I. remember one time I saw Bon Joi I was. working the Bon Joy concert and we were. pulling the security uh truck up and as. we were pulling the truck up we got out. and and outside of the venue you hear. shot through the heart and you're to.

blame you give love a bad name B and. everybody. goes and I was like this is crazy. because it was one of my first nights on. the job and I was like man hearing that. pop for the first time that energy is. insane it's. insane the the energy of a live show is. something that's just cuz it's not just. you're watching the performance you're. watching it with other people and. they're all excited and you feel their.

excitement and everyone's happy and it's. all everyone's together and that [ __ ]. yeah it's all together it's wild it's a. beautiful thing man oh so beautiful yeah. that's uh it makes it makes the travel. worth it you know to have that feeling. where you got all those folks just like. they're all having that moment the. travel's rough together the travel. breaks you down do you do anything to. keep travel from breaking you down do. you take vitamins you take care of. yourself at all yeah yeah I do I I do my. best and I'm getting better um as as the.

years go by I run just about every day. I'm on the road yeah it's good good for. my cardio I enjoy to good for my head. and then yeah I take take vitamins a lot. of vitamin D trying to keep my kids are. in. daycare oh my god brother they little. disease factories dude I've I've been. sick more in the last two years than I. was the 10 years prior. since my son first went in it is it's. like a little petri dish I'm going to. come out like a cockroach here in 18.

years oh yeah you come out of that IR. immune system but uh yeah so I take. vitamins you I started doing ag1 um. that's great stuff with those uh with. the little droplets in it too couple. months ago K2 yeah. and I kind of like everything's the same. except I don't I my that afternoon like. I could take a nap mhm I don't have that. when I'm taking that that's that's the. big difference I've been getting from. that one the hard thing is the diet when.

you're on the road that's the hard thing. really make sure you eat clean it just. has a giant factor in whether or not you. can recover yeah yeah the discipline. there after the show is a big part of it. yeah the Jack in the Box Burger King. pull is strong yeah if I had perfect. discipline I'd look like an Olympian you. know I'd be pretty you know I wouldn't. be that strong but I'd be pretty ripped. um but we're moving to the bus this year. so this will be my first year in the bus. and I'm looking forward to that sleep.

yeah I don't know if I can sleep that. good on a bus I always worry about. crashing cuz the thing about a bus if he. crashes like he just falling on top of. everybody it's like you're not even. strapped. in oh yeah what what was that woman's. name Gloria eston she fractured her back. I think yeah serious accident Hardy had. a had a bus accident I think last year. oh yeah and yeah I think you know he uh. I think it was pretty bad and I it's.

scary [ __ ] man and you got to rely on. that driver stay awake stay and then who. knows what what kind of [ __ ] are on. the road doing stupid [ __ ] and crashing. into things but we've been I've been. driving myself you know for the seven. years in the you know with with my dogs. and then you know sleeping in a roll out. mat in the back of my car you know. behind venue and then the hard way three. years in the van with me and the guys. and driving all day so you know this is.

the only way I see you know me being. able to keep my health up for for the. rest of my life is is getting that sleep. do you drink a little bit I cut way back. this year you kind of gota yeah yeah. yeah I getting into the 30s things start. like sticking to you a little bit more. and I was I was looking at myself at uh. we went to the beach back at the end of. May and I was looking at pictures of. myself I was like yeah that's it I got. to I got to lock this [ __ ] down or I'm.

going to let it's getting away from me. well it's just the fatigue Factor the. difference between drinking and not. drinking like how you feel the next day. is so significant it's it's hard to. ignore you know it's hard to ignore that. fatigue Factor like you're poisoning. yourself every night yeah it's fun yeah. it's great have a few beers throw few. shots back woo have a little party it's. great parties are fun but you are. legitimately poisoning yourself and and. you got to be aware of what the effect. of that is yeah and it's not good for.

the voice either like you know sometimes. I'll do four headlines in a row and. that's like Zach smokes cigarettes like. a chimney and I was like how do you how. are you doing that you have this [ __ ]. incredible gift this amazing voice and. you're you're sucking on cigarettes all. the time yeah he's a he's a he's a pup. still he he is a young boy he's a young. fell day he maybe maybe I don't know I. mean maybe his voice will change with. the cigarettes like sinatras yeah you.

ever hear Sinatra when he was young oh. yeah yeah those early the 50s like. Christmas songs and stuff sound. different strange strangely different MH. it's like a completely different kind of. voice like it when he got older it was. like this it was I did it my way but. when he was younger it was just like. this insane voice like this beautiful. you know he was arrested I of his mug. shots out there you know I have a whole. collection of mug shots out there in the. lobby one of them is Sinatra and uh he.

was arrested for. seduction yeah I think he banged. somebody's wife the wrong person's wife. I guess somebody like the mayor that was. what was listed on his uh his rap sheet. it was seduction see that that's true. right that's an old school law right. there here it is seduction let me. explain the year was 19 38 years before. Sona would go on to star in his first. movie or release his first single he was. just 23 years old by today's standards.

shocking that he spent anytime in jail. for his crime even though it was less. than 16 hours so uh during that time. period a person could be arrested for. seduction which was a charge usually. given to a man who slept with a woman. based on false promises or using some. kind of lie oh interesting for instance. a man could be arrested after sleeping. with a woman after a false promise of. marriage wow. reportedly Sinatra's ex-girlfriend was. his accuser oh so it wasn't a wife I was. wrong saying that he promised her.

marriage and then broke up with her he. was you get arrested because you break. up with a girl that's hilarious yeah. Frank Frank was willing to say anything. to get in that night right but listen to. this however it turns out that she was. actually already married which canceled. out the charges of Seduction that's why. I thought it was someone's wife even so. the state of New Jersey arrested Sinatra. and charged him with adultery after. learning that they couldn't NAB him with. seduction the charge was later dropped. after he paid a $500 Bond $500 in 1938.

that's probably a stiff Bond it's a lot. of money back back then dude people buy. a house for like 500 bucks yeah in. Detroit right now right now yeah it's. true yeah I thought about that right as. I said see you can find some recordings. of Sinatra from when he was young. because it really is crazy when you. listen to the difference in that music. the sound of that voice and that's got. to be like a lot of Jack Daniels and. cigarettes I think the the earliest I've. listened to him was maybe the 40s so. maybe if he was singing in the in the.

the 30s there I I probably haven't heard. that it's an incredible voice it's but. it's so different it's hard to believe. that it's actually Sinatra because it. sounds so young and high pitched it's. just a different and it had so much. range his voice had this incredible. range that all got blunted by the. cigarettes and then you know as you got. older it just became I had regrets you. know like it just became almost more. talking than the the vocal range that he. had when he was younger it just kind of.

adapted all the years of kind of like. just playing night in night out too can. can take somebody's range away oh yeah. man vocal surgeries and stuff like that. yeah it's it tortures your. throat he left 29 broken heart that's. different yeah in 29s. now there are 29 fellas complaining to. their moms about the lady 29.

PS wow yeah what do we got. [Music]. here so this. is this is the wig. days I have said to myself this affair. it never will move so. strange times it is looking right at the. camera doing the hand workk as you're.

saying well you got to think back then. that's all new you know being on. television was new he's the [ __ ] man. right there back then that had never. there was no one on TV before him it's. like how many how many years of. Television even existed before that was. it 10 you know yeah it was like 15 like. was it the early 50s when the when those. late shows started oh my God if you go. back watch those what's crazy is if you. go back and watch those shows especially. like the late night talk shows like the.

Jack par show and stuff like that like. that thing where you have the desk and. then someone sits beside on the couch. they still do it that way today I know. they [ __ ] never adjusted it's the. same weird it's weird like why are you. have a desk are you working are you. writing books up there like what do you. why do you have a [ __ ] desk yeah why. you sitting in front of that desk and. why it's just like that was the tonight. Show Ladies and Gentlemen hey have a. seat and he's you got this guy sitting. there at a desk and next to him it's a a.

couch like this is a bizarre way to do a. show yeah but because it was the way. they did it originally these uncreative. [ __ ] just kept doing it that. way forever and everybody does it that. way yeah they still do uh the only. person like nor McDonald man oh yeah. [ __ ] I'd said I'd sit there on YouTube. and just watch like his his like late. night show interviews where he's in that. situation he the man turned that in. like yeah no he was a man um a few. people did it differently Areno Hall did.

it differently arcenio Hall had like. seats where they were sitting next to. each other he did it differently uh. George Lopez did it differently George. Lopez just had like seats they they just. kind of face each other kind of like. Letterman's uh like Netflix show that he. does now yeah yeah that's that's a cool. setup it's a good setup um the only. problem is that way of talking to people. you don't. really it's too performative there's to. there's people there like a real.

conversation it's not it's not the same. when there's an audience it's a. different thing sometimes it's a fun. thing like live podcasts in front of an. audience they can be great but it's a. different thing it's not it's not the. same thing that you get from just. sitting in a room with someone having a. conversation with them which is the best. way to talk to people yeah yeah it you. know you're getting a little bit of the. the public persona for somebody if. you're in a theater kind doing doing an. interview yeah I mean everybody does it.

differ like be real who we're talking. about before he has this show called uh. hot box is it called the hot boxing no. that's Mike Tyson Mike Tyson's hot. boxing what's B reals show where he he. has this uh old cool card that they've. done up and they got cameras inside of. it Smoke Box Smoke Box and you. get barbecued I mean barbecued to place. you don't know what you're talking about. 5 seconds ago and you're you're on this. podcast just getting baked and you're.

stuck in this car with be real and those. guys are the nobody smokes weed Like. Rappers you want to smoke you ever smoke. weed with rappers no no I can only. imagine I was uh ice fishing with Jamie. Johnson last week and I was just trying. to keep up with him and and he had me he. had me blasted. there it can get it can get tricky and. I'm sure Jamie Johnson can hang in there. too he definitely can I'm sure he could. do it but I I'm try smoking weed with. like Snoop and Whiz Khalifa and oh yeah.

you're going heavy way a Bronson Action. Bronson did the podcast once we had to. take a picture of all the blunts that. were in the ashtray after at the end of. the podcast cuz it was so ridiculous. like how are you alive yeah yeah dude. some folks their tolerance my just. posted this it's like they said the. first 48 Hours look how many blunts he. has in this thing that Snoop yeah oh my. God 40 30 that's so crazy when he when. he did this podcast he just the whole. time he's talking he's just rolling.

Blunts and he rolls his own blunts so. he's sitting there talking to you and. he's just like we're talking about [ __ ]. he's just rolling blunts yeah that he. had a sound machine with him had like. lights and [ __ ] like oh he's such a. character Snoop is an original he's. that's an original human being everybody. loves him too man oh my God how do you. not love him few people in the world. where there's like a there's like a. second grader that knows who who he is. and my mom knows who he is you know. remember he was doing that show with. Martha Stewart yeah and it was great. yeah like what it who would have ever.

thought that that teaming would work. that that pair yeah back in the day you. never see that coming perfect works. great she got done dirty she back did. back in the day I mean they got her they. got her and they put her in jail for the. same [ __ ] Nancy Pelosi made hundreds of. millions of dollars for oh yeah yeah. like so many of those folks in Congress. and in the Senate they I wonder what. happened why they went after her like. that I wonder what the real story behind. it was she must pissed somebody off. uh-huh yeah there had to be something it.

does otherwise doesn't even make sense. like why would you scalp her why are you. going after her yeah Martha Stewart what. you don't like beautiful things Willie. Nelson was saying in his book he thought. they they came after him look at her. still hot look at her woo she looks. great 2023 looking good got on the zic. or something. woo that's that's a thing isn't it oh. it's a dangerous thing to some people. yeah some people it gives them hor my. friend Brian got horrible side. effects he was like bedridden like for.

some people a certain percentage of the. people it affects them affects their gut. very badly yeah they get all these. gastrointestinal issues and all you have. to do is just not eat [ __ ] and you could. lose that weight you just not eat [ __ ]. cut all the sugar out of your life you. will watch weight fall off your body. yeah yeah there there's a there's. another way to do it there's all way to. do it yeah but that's not what people. want people want that that quick fix mhm.

you know especially if you're a weed. smoker if you're a weed smoker and you. just want to all the munchies yeah you. get the fing Munchies you. just especially late night it's hard. it's hard not to just fatten up yeah. yeah sometimes at home man I'll raid. that pantry I'm sure like you know it's. hard it's hard you have to have healthy. choices something that you can that you. can eat that you actually enjoy one of. the things I really like doing like late. night after a gig I like cooking I'll.

come home and cook a steak at like 1: in. the morning I'm like look I'm a [ __ ]. grown man I could I could eat whatever I. want like I just cook a steak right now. just cook a steak you're hungry don't. just go pour a bowl of Froot Loops make. a [ __ ] steak like let's eat something. healthy let's eat real food let's have. some vitamins drink some water let's do. it the right way. yeah that's another thing I'm looking. forward to that bus is just CU you know. we can stash some some better options on.

there for for after a show and yeah I. think it'll I think it's going to help. they pulled over willly bus in Texas and. arrested. him isn't that amazing when did they do. that what the [ __ ] I want to say it was. like 200 oh that's [ __ ] up seven or. some [ __ ] 2009 when did Willie Nelson. get arrested might even been later than. that might have been 2013 it was. something something crazy where the. whole world was like what 2010 2010 85. miles outside of El. Paso for weed Willie Nelson yeah what.

are you a communist [ __ ] is wrong with. you that's like that's like butchering. the Texas Longhorn like mascot or. something it's so stupid too it's like. the dumbest thing to arrest someone for. like Jesus Christ how are we still doing. this in 2024 we we're not really like. it's decriminalized in Austin but it's. still illegal in the state of Texas it's. still federally illegal even though it's. legal in a bunch of States it's still.

federally illegal that's the thing in. music is you know people will stop and. and dump it off like in the van and. stuff like that yep so stupid Kansas too. is another one well there's a lot of. states where when you go through the. airport they have a designated marijuana. depositing box MH like so if you're. you're traveling and you're going to fly. into a state where it's illegal just. dump it in in this box like in Nevada. they have that cuz Nevada has these uh. you know weed dispensaries they have.

stores now where you can buy it legally. yeah so if you're flying to the airport. you're like all right I don't want to. get caught dump it in this box and at. the end of the night I bet those people. that work raid that box yeah oh yeah of. course yeah we're uh we're going to do. Canada for the first time this year and. and that was like a a thing that our. tour manager was telling all the guys. you know make sure you get passports. going now and like you know make sure.

plan on like not having any weed when we. cross the border and well it's legal in. Canada yeah but you can't cross right. with it right you can't cross with it. but once you're there I mean you why. would you bring it with you yeah yeah. they got dispensaries up there yeah I. remember when it was illegal in Canada. and then all of a sudden I went there. one year and it's like oh my God there's. weed stores everywhere MH that's how it. should be it should be legal. like you don't like it good there's a. lot of things I don't. like doesn't mean it should be illegal.

just you don't have to take it yeah I. was kind of hoping back home they would. they would have legalized it and West. Virginia kind of more at the front end. of the states and made some of that. money you know yeah we needed that yeah. that's the thing that's really crazy. they're biting off their nose to spite. their face yeah missed out on it we. could have been selling to people in all. the border states there for a good. handful of years and making good money. but are you living there now yeah I. still live there with with my wife and. kids and that's where that's where I go. back to when I'm when I'm off the road.

you plan on living there forever I'll. always have uh you know my family we. have family land that that I'll always. uh have my great grandmother's house so. I always keep that and you know whether. my wife and I end up splitting time. maybe between there and somewhere else. that might happen but yeah I'll never. I'll never uh leave that completely you. feel like it's like in your bones yeah I. love it man it's it's like my. comfortable place in the world it's like. truly you know home you know I'm I'm. fortunate to to feel that way about.

where I'm from that is very fortunate. yeah not everybody does it's nice to. have a place that grounds you too where. you go back and like I'm I'm at home. base again yeah especially for a guy. like you that does the road so much and. all the travel mhm yeah I like my. routine my small town and and you know I. grew up with with so many people I see. around on the dayto day that's cool and. uh you know folks watch me grow up you. know the older folks and you know they. they know me and yeah I get to go about.

my day-to-day life and it's all very. very normal um where even in Nashville. it's not that you know because. everybody's in music so right right. right right you got people that you know. they they want something from you or. something like that so yeah that's what. I keep hearing about Nashville that. Nashville has become kind of a Hollywood. light in a lot of ways yeah it you know. and it's great I'm just saying yeah. there's a lot of people in the music. industry and if if if you're if you're. in the music industry and and then.

you're going to get people come up and. ask you this and ask you that and at. home there ain't nobody in the music. industry so there ain't nobody that has. anything to ask of me you know right. it's it's just that's where I'm. comfortable yeah that's nice it's nice. that someone's not trying to angle on. you and just use you for something else. or get to this to you or connect. themselves to you or hit your there's so. many social climbers and so many people. that you know they've got a business. they want you to invest in and yeah you.

know and that's what when I met you the. I met you the first time at twostep in. that Festival north of of Austin back in. April that was when Zach was playing. yeah and I met you just real brief and. like that was the last thing that I even. wanted to come off that's why I was like. real weird when I met you that first. time cuz it's was like hey man it's nice. to meet you I don't want to bother you. you know just cuz I can only imagine. what you run into on the dayto day so. yeah it's just uh it's nice back home I. don't I don't get that so much um so.

yeah it's yeah it's it's an unfortunate. aspect of the life that I have but it's. this life is so for I'm so fortunate in. so many ways I'm so blessed I'm so so. extraordinarily lucky that that's to. complain about that I mostly put it out. there so people realize like that's what. that that's something that comes with. this and just you should know and if. you're on that path too you're on the. path to you want to be in Show Business. you want to be in entertainment or if.

you just want to be successful I think. in any business like there's going to be. people that they pretend when they're. talking to you they don't really give a. [ __ ] about you they're not having a real. conversation they're angling they're. just trying to work an angle they're. just trying to like figure out a way to. get close to you to get your number to. get an email address to talk to you. about a this or a that and some people. are terrible at it they're just like. right away like there's a thing that i'. like for you to invest in it's a new. startup it's like i' love to show you a. dock like no bro yeah the currency of. status like it's it's a yeah I had to.

have a conversation withy this guy kept. pushing I go hey man I don't invest in. anything I have zero I don't invest in. nothing I got nothing I have a guy who. takes care of like Financial stuff and. as far as like me like investing in. businesses I do zero of that I don't. want to have nothing to do with that I. don't I don't want to well you don't. even to think about it well I'll think. about it I will [ __ ] think about it. if I give you a bunch of money and I'm. attached to this company I'm hoping you. run it right like what are you crazy you. don't think I'm going to think about. that of course I'm going to think about. that well everything will be handled and.

I don't do that I don't do it sorry not. interested yeah yeah it's tough yeah and. some people just don't want to take Noe. for an answer they just keep coming back. and and you just gotta like okay I need. guess I need a new phone number now so. do that game I have four phone numbers. mhm that's I it's uh yeah I'm thinking. about maybe switch again here you know. here we are like complaining about this. stuff it's the smallest of things it's. the smallest of things the the I always.

tell people that have too much work I go. listen man the worst thing you can have. is no work that's the worst thing to. have too much work is so much better. than have no work to be too busy is so. much busy so much worse than or so much. better rather than to wish that you were. busy yeah yeah if you're too busy you. could back off a little bit you could. take some decisions and go you know what. I'm wearing myself out I'm going slow. down a little do a little less of this a. little less of that and you'll be all. right yeah the uh there's something I. was like I would kind of tell myself in.

the last handful of years I would say. yes. to damn near everything because like. what the story I was telling you about. in 21 that's where I'm coming from so. you know you say yes so that you get to. that point where you can say no yeah for. the long term right and and finally this. year like you know the the the quantity. of shows is going to dial back a little. bit you know I've already I've said no. to some things that I I would have. dreamed of just having the opportunity.

to do in years past but you know it's. more time you know with my wife and my. kids and you know doing my best to find. that balance with the babies and MH do. you take them on the road with you at. all CH cherry pick some you know some. good ones they were down here in Texas. with me in October we did uh Green Hall. and we did that the Texas Motor Speedway. before that and so they they came down. for that weekend they were in Nashville. with me in December but you know not all. the time and yeah I'm trying to trying. to balance that yeah you don't want to.

wear them out either yeah I don't want. to wear them out and just trying to have. have keep uh some normaly and routine in. their life and hopefully you know trying. trying to navigate those. Waters mhm and you know with with. Samantha my wife like trying to yeah. trying to balance that yeah there's like. so many benefits to to to the life that. you have but then there is that the the. time away yeah I've been going hundreds. of days a year for years you know that's.

hard that's hard yeah I mean I've had. these guys on that are WWE wrestlers and. uh not only they gone hundreds of days a. year there like some of them were doing. 250 260 days a year but they're also. getting thrown onto tables 260 days a. year they're getting pile drived and. [ __ ] body slammed and like imagine. that and then you come home every Monday. and Friday and then like you know the. two other ones in the week that aren't. on TV exactly just like 52 weeks a year.

and you come home and you're you're beat. up and exhausted and broken and your. back's in agony and your knees are all. [ __ ] up and yeah yeah that's another. level that like back to the to the like. paint pill thing like the the knees and. the next and things like that oh yeah. all those guys and music too a lot of a. lot of folks knees necks and backs oh. sure man I mean that's how we lost both. Prince and Tom Petty M lost them both of.

them def fenel you. know yeah sad [ __ ] man just and with. Prince it was just all that dancing and. he apparently had a [ __ ] up hip for a. long time and he was in agony you know. and he just doing all those moves all. those years show after show after show. after show you know yeah I'm friend. friends with Maynard from tulle and he. had to get a [ __ ] hip replacement. from stomping yeah always like stomping. on stage when he's singing yeah he blew.

his hip out if I keep going with my neck. I'll end up having you know neck stuff I. I already got this thing that I lay on. 10 minutes a day at the end after shows. that decompresses all of it what's going. on with your neck right now H it's just. headbanging and stuff like that when I'm. playing shows but is it fued a good n i. don't it's nothing serious now that. that's why you know maybe I need to. adjust that and how long you in town for. I leaving tomorrow yeah tomorrow or. tomorrow morning like later on in the. morning what time in the morning what. time is youright 9:30 I want see if I.

can get you into ways to well there's a. stem cell clinic in Austin and they'll. take care of you they'll shoot you up. with stem cells in your neck you neck. problems I was trying to talk my dad. into that my dad worked in the mines for. 20 some years oh wow and you know he's. 70 71 now and and he's feeling all that. is that where minor imperfections come. from yeah that's a great song Zack. McCord and I wrote that for our dads. it's a great song yeah both of our dads. are minors and and that was for him it's. a great song Yeah Yeah there that work.

is [ __ ] insane that work's insane. yeah that's like when people man you. want to talk about the hard life that's. that's the hard life yeah yeah there. when my dad was my age from from 27 to. 30 he worked in 26 and 12 inches of coal. that's from Florida ceiling. wow and it was for a. small so you know there's coal companies. and then sometimes there' just be this.

guy that was a land owner back in the. day that would get you know the right. permits and stuff to be able to mine a. SEMA coal on some property he' bought. and that's what the case was with with. you know that job that he had there for. 3 years was it was like for a small like. private mine they weren't using roof. bolts oh my God so he had he had. cave-ins before where he he was digging. his way crawling on his on his belly. trying to dig his way oh my God yeah he. did that for 3 years and oh my God and.

he had cave-ins like that mhm yeah it's. complet I mean that never fly nowadays. but my dad started in in the he was born. in 53 so he just started in the early. 70s and he went into the early 90s so he. was at that unique time where there was. still some of that that old time stuff. and then you know it was transitioning. into the the modern day mines you know. today where it's just underground cities. like when he left he was the uh long.

wall boss at Federal number two for. consol and that was the biggest long. wall in the world at the time and I mean. that that mine it stretches like like. over a 100 miles underground you know. it's from Western count it's like from. Western M County to damn near the Ohio. River like really yeah and that and and. that's a small that's small compared to. what people are doing now really oh they. got mines in in like Utah where because.

of the elevation of the mountains they. they can almost they're they're like. Drive they can drive in to a seam of. coal and automatically be like you know. already 10,000 ft underground because of. the the height of the mountain above. them and then it's like 16t seems a coal. and and stuff like that things have. gotten you know the stuff that my dad. started out in is just a thing of the. past so when your dad was doing it he. was would you say 27 in 26 and2 that's.

what he told me and so you just on your. back chipping coal out no they would I. mean they would had Machinery they. weren't doing that by hand but so with. Machinery though you're crawling on your. stomach yeah crawling on your stomach. and then how you getting it out would. have been conveyor belts or something oh. my God yeah and you're just in that. entire enclosed Environ. yeah I mean all day long yeah I would be. freaking out if it was that oh my God. and then you're dealing with cavins yeah.

oh my God yeah I had no idea that. there's mines that are that big that are. 100 miles oh yeah they're they're huge. is there photos or videos of those. counties that sounds insane I had no. idea yeah like they they'll keep yeah. from what I understand I think we got. mines in that start in Western M County. and go all the way to like Wetzel County. like over close to the Ohio River. they're huge. wow and and these massive ceilings and.

they have lights in there and everything. yeah got you know lights and guys can I. imagine stand like pretty much stand up. have you seen those M I don't know how T. the same in it they've had fires in them. since like the 50s yeah there's a. there's a town in Pennsylvania I think. that you know there's like a before and. after picture because ended up one like. old mine ended up Catching Fire and the. thing still like smoking toxic fumes. everybody had to move out of the Town. yeah like 50 60 years later yeah it's.

still on fire to this day just like what. like how much Coal's in there yeah um. the fires are too deep to burn and too. hot to be fought effectively 250 years. before what however experts believe the. fires under Centralia could burn another. 250 years before the exhaust of coal. Supply that fuels. them wow the fires are too deep and. burned too hot to be fought effectively. that's insane Jamie if you would check.

uh fact 1962 wow fact check me on like. how how long those Min can go I was just. trying to figure out where should uh. where should I check for just be like. like long like biggest mines in the. world longest Minds just make sure I'm. not talking out of my. ass well it sounds like again and I'm a. musician the very least they're huge and. just just this this is all knowledge. this is my dad's knowledge that I'm. trying to like spit back out just make.

sure I'm not talking lar 10,000 acres. whoa yeah that's pretty big that's miles. that's [ __ ] huge 10,000 acres and. it's a mine hobet mine complex holy [ __ ]. where's that West Virginia I just kept. in West Virginia I'm sure there's. there's the bigger ones in Colorado. think do they have H footage of that. uh I mean it's going to be a lot. underground so yeah but I'd like to see. it I just want to see what it looks like.

10,000 acres of Mines holy [ __ ]. man that's incredible yeah they got some. big ones out in Utah Alabama's got some. big. ones I think Drummond knowns those I. would have never guessed I would have. never guessed they're that big. underground oh that's those are strip. mines that's strip mines that's. different. that's the like underground coal mine. footage it's a hard life man that's a.

hard life yeah and in some places it's. the only thing that's available certain. parts of the country yeah it was a it. was a great opportunity for my dad you. know it allowed him to to you know. Elevate himself economically in life. does he have lung problems because of it. no no no he didn't no he was I think. think starting in the early 70s I think. they they figured a lot of that out oh. yeah yeah I don't think it's it was as. bad then as it was you know back in the.

the 50s and. before yeah I don't think he has any uh. like long-term issues you know steril. has a lot of people in his family that. came from that too it's like there's. that is just a different understanding. of hard work and and of poverty too do I. mean the people that that when those. Minds shut down that's another sort of. similar example those Minds if they shut.

down the whole town relies on those. minds and there's. nothing yeah yeah you got ghost towns in. West Virginia MH you got um did you ever. read the book Rocket Boys no by Homer. hickham then they made the movie October. Sky about it did you ever watch that no. what is it dude it's a it's an. incredible here mine look at that. machine holy [ __ ] there you go. yeah that's and what is what causes.

coal it's vegetation and pressure over. millions of years isn't it is that what. it is I think. wow wow look at this [ __ ] life man. underground just using machines to cut. out chunks of the earth that people. going to light on fire and then most. most people want to ban that [ __ ] anyway. but meanwhile China we're just looking. at how many like when people are talking. about we got to stop people from eating.

meat to save the planet [ __ ] you need. to pay attention to the world because. most of that shit's coming from China. there's more than a thousand coal mines. in China yeah there's more tonnage of. coal being mind now than ever before in. in. history you know. it's yeah yeah it's a complicated world. with a lot of like really narrow-minded. narratives like a really a lot of. confusing things that people repeat that. they don't really understand the the. whole depth to what they're saying yeah.

you could close down all the mines in. the United States and that demand for. that coal is still going to be there and. it'll just get mined somewhere else yeah. it's not to say that maybe you know. there'll come a day where coal probably. becomes a thing of the past and isn't. used anymore but probably once they run. out of it yeah once they once they run. out of it or you know they think of. something better but it's just you know. it just is and then we're going to have. to deal with earthquakes and sink holes. cuz they going [ __ ] carve these huge. [ __ ] Pockets out of the earth and.

things are going to collapse yeah yeah. they you know at the end of the day if. that's not going to that's not going to. solve The World's problems if they just. shut all that down in the US overnight I. watched a video of a coal mine. collapsing in China and it was. horrifying my friend tomur and I we uh. every day we send each other the worst. [ __ ] we find on Instagram it's it's very. traumatizing it's like I'll show it to. you on my phone after the podcast is. over you're going to go what the [ __ ]. man every day every day we sent each.

other car accidents gunshots animal. attacks over and over and O every day. every day some new [ __ ] yeah and um one. of them was this insane coal explo this. is it this is it so these people are. working and then this oh my God yeah. they just get engulfed Open PI coine. collapsed four people injured six. missing 49 others yeah don't guess where.

53 folks they're dead they might be. missing they're dead massive. Landslide wow yeah wow that's mean. you're digging into the [ __ ] ground. and creating. instability scary [ __ ] yeah yeah that's. that's that's insane yeah the people. want to stop coal mining like yeah I. understand but you have to understand. how much of that is going on outside. this country we we detailed that. yesterday we went to this sort of a deep. dive on it most of it is coming from. China most of it's China and then second.

place is India United States is minimal. in comparison to what's going on over. there and they're not going to stop they. don't give a [ __ ] they don't give a [ __ ]. about what you say about the environment. what yeah over there in Paris like when. they're all having that conference like. they don't give a [ __ ] about about what. they're saying and those things well. it's just crazy when they're talking. about climate change and then they. corner Bill Gates like you fly here in a. private jet like what it's like yeah I. actually have one of the largest carbon. Footprints like so you're a hypocrite.

like what what what's your real angle. here buddy like you probably have a. business that profits from people. deciding to take a green angle and. that's really what's going on he's. trying to push plant-based meat and. bunch of other [ __ ] and and that's. why it's it's important for him to get. that narrative out there about climate. change just like during the pandemic he. was heavily invested in mRNA vaccines. and then at the end he bailed he sold. all his shares and then started talking. [ __ ] like wasn't as effective as we.

hoped like what about what you were. saying in the beginning when you were. saying it was really effective and then. everyone needs to take it remember that. why is anybody listening to that guy. either by the way when it comes to. Public Health you look like one of the. least [ __ ] healthy people. alive like as far as people his age he. looks way older than he should look he's. got a pot belly he looks like [ __ ] yeah. looks like total [ __ ] yeah and that I. mean that vaccine thing that was uh you. know I I had to get that I had to show.

that to play my shows yeah lot people in. 21 yeah and you know I felt like I had. to do it in order to work a lot of. people did a lot of my friends did they. did it because they had to mhm people. were coerced and then it didn't even. work then I ended up getting it yeah of. course and you know it was fine just it. was like a cold for a little bit. yeah it's it wasn't what we were feared. what we we're afraid of and then you. realize like oh there's a there's a lot. of there's a lot of motivation that they.

have to scare the [ __ ] out of you. because that's how you'll you'll do it. remember when the White House this is. during Omicron which is like the most. mild version of covid it was basically. just a mild cold for most people. especially healthy people and the White. House put out a release that said for. the vaccinated people you've done done. your job for the unvaccinated people. you're looking at a winter of severe. illness and.

death yeah which is where did that come. from they're [ __ ] that's what it came. from you're a bunch of [ __ ] and it's. not even true it wasn't even true I mean. the number of people that are dying from. covid now like the CDC is like we need. to get people need to get vaccinated the. the covid deaths are up no they're not. go look they're really low they're super. low and by the way those people that are. dying they're in terrible shape they're. not doing good already and most of the. people that died even during the. pandemic they they it was some someone. in the age someone in the range of 90%.

of the people that died had an average. of four comorbidities yeah four things. that were killing them and then Co got. them and then also there was that there. was the thing where the hospital had an. incentive to say that so and so died. from Co yeah yeah when who know you my. friend's grandpa had had some horrible. disease and he didn't have covid and. when he died he died in a nursing home. they listed him as a covid death and he.

was Furious he's like he didn't have. [ __ ] covid man they didn't even test. him for covid but they listed him as a. covid death that money exactly there was. a financial incentive to list people as. covid deaths yeah and that's how you. inflate the numbers that's how you. motivate people to take that vaccine. it's wild man it's wild what they pulled. off it's a lot of goofy [ __ ] and then. that that year year and a half two years. y scary what happened the we're my wife. and I talked about it and we drew the. hard line with our children you know we.

weren't going to do that good for you. yeah good for you cuz um you know my. kids were being pressured by uh some of. their their fam's friends like their. their families like their their kids. were getting it and their their families. were wondering why my kids weren't. kiding I'm like hey man you can go [ __ ]. yourself this shit's all totally. experimental and by the way the early. data very early on it was shown that. it's not dangerous for kids mhm both of. my kids got it and it was nothing I mean. nothing they've had flues that knocked.

them on their ass and this was nothing. like that yeah it was very mild for the. kids yeah yeah get over it just fine. would Tim Kennedy say my my kids [ __ ] it. out in a day something like that dude. look you know obviously I experienced. the backlash in the wildest way cuz I. got I got healthy quick without the. vaccine but they came came for me in a. way that was so stupid it was such a. Checker's move it was such a dumb move. like because you're going after a guy.

for taking a medication that worked yeah. like by the way it was one medication. amongst many medications that I said I. took and here I am 3 days after this. thing that's supposed to kill you I'm 55. I'm not young and but I'm healthy and I. work out all the time and I take a lot. of vitamins and I'm always fit and I got. over it quick saying sorry I can't make. the dates it was about a concert that I. was supposed to do with Chappelle we. were doing shows that weekend like we. got to move the shows sorry I got I'm. fine now three days ago I got it yeah.

and then then they oh he's taking. veterinary medicine it's like that's. when you get to see how corrupt the. media is that they're all on CNN and. MSNBC and all these different shows. lying straight up lying I didn't take. horse dewormer I took human ior mecon. that I got from a dog. yeah a do a doctor that by the way they. have prescribed that medication over. like what three billion times for who.

knows how many people all over the world. it's on the World Health Organization. list of essential medicines big range of. things and I imagine you got good. doctors too yeah I got good doctors I. bet you do you I got good doctors that. are objective that really understand. health and they're not just about. injecting you as [ __ ] they're about. staying healthy all the time I mean I've. been preaching the the value of a. healthy lifestyle healthy diet and. vitamin supplementation forever so when.

I get sick I get over it quick if I got. sick at all and then the only reason why. I got sick was I was out my friend John. showman who's a uh shout out to my. friend John who uh is a pool queue. manufacturer and he I love this dude and. he makes like some of the best pool cues. in the world and I was in Florida so I. got a chance to see him and we play pool. till like [ __ ] 3:30 in the morning. and I had like five Margaritas that's. why I got sick yeah get that rund down. beat and I was after a show so I did a.

show at an arena in Florida so people. are screaming so it's like 15,000 people. and I'm in the round and they're. laughing so it's so there just a CO. spray headed your way get rained on by. droplets was a was a hot word there for. a couple years and I was still fine I. was still fine until I got drunk I mean. I was at the end of the night I was. pretty tired I was just beat up from. playing pool to 3:30 in the morning and. then we were drinking and the next day I. was like God am I hung over I feel like. [ __ ] and then it hit me I did a show the.

next night with Co no problem killed had. a great time yay see you guys and then. on the way home I was like man I feel. like [ __ ] and then I called my wife I. was like I might have it I feel kind of. shitty then I woke up in the morning I I. was sweating I had the fever I was like. got tested got positive got all the meds. got the IV vitamins the next day I was. like oh feel pretty good and then the. day after that I made that video mhm I. was like yeah I'm all right yep and then. they came for me I was like wow you.

corrupt [ __ ] suckers you don't give a. [ __ ] about health if you did you would. be saying hey look this guy who's not. young who got covid and is not. vaccinated got over it pretty quickly so. look there's maybe it's not as bad as we. think it is or maybe it's not as bad if. you're fit and healthy or maybe there's. some other options than just taking this. experimental medication that's never. been Mass injected into hundreds of. millions of people in this country yeah. but no they they were all corrupt.

because they're all a part of this. industry that was relying on the. advertising revenue from the. pharmaceutical drug industry and they. were all in the pocket oh yeah they. jumped in dirty people man dirty dirty. monsters yeah they came forward and you. know most most folks around the country. you know a lot of folks they don't speak. publicly on it but they saw that and. knew exactly what it was and well he. killed their credibility they're going. for Joe and then just kept you know. moved on and never tune in anyways to. watch them well there's a lot of people.

now that will watch those those news. reports on things especially medical. things and go hm how much are you. telling the truth how much you tell how. come you guys are ignoring all the. deaths how come you guys aren't talking. at all about the vaccine deaths how come. you guys aren't talking at all about the. all cause mortality Spike that's. unprecedented how come you're not. talking about that mm are you guys the. news are you guys some corporate. mouthpiece for some company that pays. you exorbitant amounts of money to push. their [ __ ] because that's what it seems.

like and if that's the case somebody. should probably step in and regulate you. [ __ ] D I was I just watched the. uh that the Netflix short series on. painkiller oh my God amazing I just saw. that and you know that you know affected. West Virginia big time Big Time um but I. didn't you know I and there was a drama. dramatization of of kind of the the the. bullet points of what happened there. that was yeah they're it's a broken. system well they're monsters man they.

don't care about death they care about. profit and that is their business their. business is making money I mean there's. the there's the people that make the. medication and their businesses just to. make effective medication they're. scientists and then there's the people. that are just money people and they're. just they're they businesses to sell it. and sell it as hard as they can and. they're incentivized especially the. Sackler family I mean that family is. still not in jail how are they not in. jail and they spent six they gave up $6. billion to try to uh avoid prosecution.

but then the Netflix special the series. came out and when that series came out I. believe there was a judge that put a. hold on the decision to allow them to. have immunity and they were like hang on. hang the [ __ ] on what did you do and. when you see what they did you know I. had Peter Berg on who made that that. series he's amazing and he explained it. what they what they did and you know he. he went into even more depth you know.

like things he couldn't cover in the in. the series and it's it's terrible it's. terrible awful evil demonic behavior. that set off a chain reaction that. affected a whole generation and so many. people died but the people that didn't. die how many lives are ruined I in my. family I have people whose lives are. ruined multiple people in my immediate. in my close family in my connected. family you know I know many people who. just got devastated by that [ __ ] and.

they're they're still struggling to this. day try to get off of it yeah that's uh. the kids that I that grew up in my grade. we've we lost I think one or two to a. couple accidents and then one to cancer. and then the rest are. all as a result of of that. ended up oding um did you ever see. there's a a real good documentary on. Huntington West Virginia I think it was. called.

heroin no and it's just like falling. around the fire chief of of like. Huntington and she's just going around. just person this is just like a day in. the life and she's just going from. person to person you know apartment to. house just oh my God either saving. somebody or finding somebody too late. just all day it's a. it's incredible they did a good job of. like showing the reality of it and what. it does if you talk to EMTs that [ __ ]. has happening all over the country all. the country right now still to this day.

and now unfortunately it's harder for. people to get the real pills so now. they're getting this this cartel [ __ ]. it's laced with fenel yeah and they're. all [ __ ] dying left and right so many. people are dying it's parents worst. nightmare oh my God it's so scary man. yeah you know at my comedy club we we. had to start carrying Narcan you know. was uh one of our security guys uh made. it imperative to get Narcan to make sure. that you know like we should have that.

on on yeah fortunately we haven't had to. use it we haven't had anybody overdose. during a show but we did have a lady go. into a khole she she's taking ketamine. this ketamine for whatever there's. [ __ ] people that are recreationally. taking this. insane drug which is on can you I think. so. I think you get that on Amazon it's wild. I don't know if they do I'm pretty sure. it's so potent man get it like a vitamin. and so they're doing like this nasal.

spray people are doing nasal spray and. it's legal in some weird way like it's. there I'm inan therapy Kine therapy. you're just getting blasted with. ketamine all day these people are K I. know people that are claim sober but. they're on in therapy and they take. ketamine for therapy like [ __ ] you are. not sober you just you're you're C up. all day long. party a different. way so i' have friends that love it they. love it I'm like get that [ __ ] away from. me man John Lily the guy who uh invented.

the sensory deprivation tank have you. ever used one of those no oh they're. amazing we have one here I'd be. interested to to check that out it's it. by itself without ketamine it's really. great you don't really need ketamine but. John Lily used to do it with. intramuscular ketamine so he would. inject his thigh with a blast of. ketamine and lie down and. [Music]. just go into this other dimension and. communicate with beings and you know.

it's like whatever the [ __ ] happens when. you take ketamine and meanwhile people. are doing this recreationally at a. comedy show out at a show and and this. lady just fell down and just blacked out. in the middle of the show and everybody. was like what is she on what she on and. the boyfriend's like oh she du some. ketamine like she's in a khole in the. middle of a comedy show probably while. Duncan's on stage which is. ironic man I love Duncan's cartoon that. he had there on I don't know how the.

[ __ ] they cancelled that yeah me and my. band mates like that Adventure Time. right was that was it called yeah he. just like he did a monologue is that. what it was called I can't remember what. it no that was not what it was called. Adventure Time was like the same guy who. did it also did Adventure Time the night. gospel the night gospel thank you yeah. oh my God Duncan's the best yeah and the. the cartoon just follow follow his. monologue it was it was great yeah no. it's incredible he's like I said he's. such a unique guy and when he moved here.

I was so happy I was so happy and he's. so happy too you know Austin is just. such an amazing place you made it like a. it's like the EP it's like the center of. Comedy right now yeah we uh when we. built the mothership that was the goal I. never thought it would work as well as. it did it was just kind of like let's. try let's give it a shot you know we're. here I'm not moving I I got out of. California I'm like I'm not going back. every I got out of California early I. saw the writing on the wall in May of.

2020 so the the country shut down in. March and I was like well you know two. weeks the you know flatten the curve and. then when it was like a month later I. was like what the [ __ ] is going on I'm. always distrustful of authority and I'm. always distrustful of narratives I just. I don't there's just too much [ __ ]. in the world and I I've read too many. books I've been I was been exposed to. too many conspiracies I went too far. down the JFK rabbit hole and the 911. rabbit hole and the [ __ ] ndaa and the.

[ __ ] the Patriot Act and and I'm. friends with Alex Jones right so my. [ __ ] my head is yeah my head is. filled with conspiracies you know with. all this Epstein [ __ ] Alex Jones taught. me about that a long time ago he's. telling me about that and I was like. come on man you're telling tell me. there's an island where they take Elites. and they film them having sex with kids. come on he was right about that wasn't. he was 100% right about that yeah he's.

right about most things Al Alex is just. unfortunately he occasionally goes down. the wrong road and he did with Sandy. Hook and you know and so people always. point to that but he's a human being you. know people human beings make mistakes. and he made a horrible mistake with that. but he's right way more than he's wrong. and he's right about all of this [ __ ] he. was telling me about the world economic. Forum a long time ago I'm like what. power do they have what are they going. to do and now you see these [ __ ]. people like you will own nothing and. you'll be happy like what yeah that that.

European guy yeah we have a photo of him. in the bathroom you seen it that's kind. of I haven't seen that no we got a photo. of him with the full Darth Vader Garb on. like what he's literally telling you. what he is at every step he's talking. like this it's like too much on the nose. like if he was a bad guy in a movie you. be like that's too caricature is no one. no one's going to be that obvious dress. up like Darth Vader talk in a German. accent and then try to control the world. and get everybody to give up their cars.

and and eat bugs he's like a villain in. a comedy um amazing yeah that goes back. to like the the Bill Gates thing too. where he's jetting around but then he's. preaching to you yeah you know you. should exct do this you shouldn't do. this yeah that doesn't apply to me. though he was preaching about health. those folks are a big fan of that aren't. they yeah a big fan of that a big fan of. doesn't yeah meanwhile they were all. eating meat like one one of the reports. of the people that went to this thing. they're at this conference they're all. eating chicken and steak and they.

they're talking about how people need to. stop eating meat like what the [ __ ] are. you saying this is all [ __ ] yeah. this is all just control it's the Oliver. Anthony song you know that's what it is. he's a great example too right like that. guy's first gig that he ever did was in. front of like 14,000 people they at like. a farmers market you know incredible. incredible state fair I think it was. like or Farmers Market something like. that I think it was like a farmers. market yeah Jamie was telling me about.

that he said he when he heard about that. he he he got over there to to try to you. know protect him from what he what he. knew was coming his way yeah I helped. him too I got him on the phone like. early on he was like well people are. telling me that I should sign this and I. go listen to me man don't sign [ __ ]. don't if they're doing that they're just. trying to catch you When You're. vulnerable. they're trying to catch you When You're. vulnerable and they're trying to lock. you up with some sort of a contract it's. like well people are saying that if I. don't act now no no no no I go listen. man you got talent you're [ __ ].

talented you ain't got to do [ __ ] you're. gonna be fine You Got Talent people love. you you don't have to do [ __ ] you don't. have to sign [ __ ] you don't want anybody. controlling you don't sign any kind for. whatever they're if they're giving you a. million dollar or $5 million that means. they think they can make 10 or 20. they're and they're going to make get. off of you more than that and you're. you're going to be the one that gets. [ __ ] don't do it you're you're the one. with Talent you don't need anybody man. yeah you already made it you already got.

through people already realize that rich. man from Richmond Richmond north of. Richmond that song is so goddamn good. people heard that song and they're like. holy [ __ ] yeah connected connected the. uh just a dude with a guitar when you. got 10,000 folks that'll come see you. anywhere you're at you don't need. anybody you don't need nobody you don't. want any we and vampires like uh like. Zach song Cold damn cold vampires yeah. yeah yeah love that song that's a thing. man finding the right people to to work.

with you know Y and it's it's honestly. it's one of the the the biggest pieces. of the puzzle if you find good people to. surround yourself with 100% good and. good people in in the business aspect. too I've had the same manager since I. was an open micer I've had the same. manager for 30. 5 years it's amazing 34 years 34 years I. think that's best case scenario I've. been doing comedy two years when I met. that dude yeah rather than having like.

the the coked up manager that's like oh. don't worry about your taxes I'll take. care of them exactly exactly yeah yeah. yeah yeah like you know there's a wi. invest in this company yeah there's a. wide spectrum and if you find yourself. with good people and that's that's it's. half the battle just having good people. around you yeah and and you know it had. been I can I I just met Oliver real. brief uh backstage at the Opera just one. night just said hi so I don't know him.

but I can only imagine what what uh he's. going to be what came his way he's a. good dude he's a good solid dude he's. going to be fine yeah I've hung out with. him he went to the Mothership and when. uh Tom saguro was there he went up on. stage and performed in front of. everybody and they went nuts hell yeah. they went nuts it was beautiful. it was beautiful no one expected it you. know Tom got off stage he I'm going to. bring somebody up and brings up Oliver. Anthony went yeah they went nuts it's.

he's [ __ ] living it man it's. happening what a dream I mean this guy. was like selling farm equipment you know. and like seven months ago whatever you. know I mean and now he's a giant. Superstar but he's a cool [ __ ]. he's a genuine nice guy and uh he's. really gotten into the Bible what what. that's what's really crazy this guy was. like smoking too much weed drinking all. the time wasting his life and then has. this like aany of like giving his life.

to Christ and then within weeks his this. song comes out within weeks mhm and all. of a sudden he's [ __ ] huge it's like. he did this thing where it's it's so. cliche it's like in the movie like I'm. going to change my ways and and and then. it all happens right after for that like. it's hard to know what to believe in but. it's hard not to believe when something. like that happens like you telling me. that's a coincidence are you [ __ ].

sure it's a coincidence cuz I'm not yeah. I'm not sure seems like he's kind of. like a messenger like something. connected in him like whatever you want. to say whatever you name you want to. attribute to it whether it's God whether. it's love whether it's the universe. whatever it is something got inside of. him and he changed his life and he. changed his mind and then he started. changing the world yeah yeah it you. always also you got to be be aware of.

anybody that says they know there's. nothing yeah you know what I mean like. where you don't know there's nothing. nobody knows there's that's nonsense. nobody knows I mean that's it's Faith. it's either Faith or don't have faith. but yeah nobody knows but also like you. can't dismiss positive experiences you. just can't you don't you're you who the. [ __ ] knows what happens when you die you. do not know and and then when you think. about like the history of the.

Bible and you think about the history of. the human race the human race was. essentially almost wiped out somewhere. around 12,000 years ago well these. stories all come from before that these. stories were all oral Traditions they're. all they're so similar to like the. stories of 6,000 years ago like the Epic. of Gilgamesh is so similar to the story. of no and the Ark there's so many. stories they just like there's got to be. something to this stuff yeah it it's. coming from something it's coming from. something somewhere and there's so many. parts of it that resonate with people.

still in their core like when they think. about like when they they have feelings. of love and companionship and they see. Beauty in the world and they have these. moments they say godamn I know there's I. don't mean to say God damn there but. damn it I know there's something there. I'm connected to something there's. something there yeah then you know I I. have faith and and go to church and I I. I think it helps me helps me navigate. you know and I'm not I'm not pretending.

to know anything that's for sure but you. know I choose to I choose to partake and. a lot of the people that choose to. partake and choose to behave in a way. that that is inspired by that live. Beautiful lives I think there's. something to that yeah yeah if if you're. coming from a place of love and yes just. trying to trying to be the best you it. you know yeah what who's it hurt that's. exactly how I feel can we leave on one. of your songs can okay let's uh which. one let me think.

um minor Impressions or minor. imperfections let's leave on that one. that's a beautiful song that's a. beautiful song because we've been. talking about miners yeah let's leave on. that can you play that Jamie and we'll. wrap this bad boy up um tell everybody. uh how to get a hold of you social media. website all that Charles Wesley Godwin. my website Charles W Godwin has has. everything anybody want to find all the. dates all the social media the albums. and do you have any dates coming up in. Texas anytime soon uh I think I'm I.

think I'm down. here with. Luke uh San Antonio and and August we're. playing whatever the football stadium is. down there oh cool I'm yeah I'm I'm one. of Luke Luke hes as openers this summer. I love that dude too dude he's he's. awesome he's awesome we uh we played a. show way back before yeah he. was keep oh sorry Jamie my bad I just. kept I kept rambling Let It. [Music].

Go all right we're going to leave you. with this ladies and gentlemen much love. to everybody bye thanks for having you. on man my. pleasure are but long walls don't run on. 9 to5. I didn't get it then every day that man. would fight the punch the clock and make. it home.

alive he's got minor. imperfections blame it on his. roots callouses on his hands C us on his. boots he's not one for. conversation when there's work to do. Pap said get paid in cash company. scripts news them city folks would shame. him if he let.

them but he's proud of his minor. [Music]. imperfection years and by and I grew up. his brown hair faded white he somehow. picks up everything. [Music].

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