Joe Rogan Experience #2079 - Brigham Buhler

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day hello what's up man we're back we're. back what's cracking same stuff new day. yeah sort of um the war on peptides is. going on right now it is it's. interesting it's to to explain it is is. going to take a little bit of time but.

I'd love to dig into it cuz yeah let's. explain it because there is no reason. why they would be banning these things. other than for their own profit you got. it you get the gist of it the only. reason there is no danger that these. things are causing there's no Public. Health concern there's no people. dropping dead but meanwhile people are. dropping Dead from the ones that they. have sanctioned yeah and so I I like to. tell people what you're seeing is a.

symptom of a disease and the same thing. we do in healthcare we don't talk about. the symptoms we don't treat this we we. we unfortunately do treat the symptom. and not the root cause of the disease. and so to diagnose what the real issue. is we've got to dig a little deeper into. the history and what's going on there. and uh it's a pretty Insidious disease. and it's spread throughout all of the. government uh and that disease is. Private Industry and its influence uh on. the federal government and the decisions.

they make um and we're going to talk a. little bit about large language models. later in in the future of what I think. healthcare is but one of the critiques. of large language models is it's only as. good as the data you put in and I would. argue that humanity is no different it. is only as good as the data that you put. in and so if the federal government and. the FDA is going to allow an open door. policy with big Pharma they're going to. come to conclusions and decisions and. policies that benefit big Pharma and so.

if we take a little walk through history. you'll see time and time again how this. has happened so I'm going to jump way. back first if you're good with this so. you go way back um there was a small. little company that reached out to the. Third Reich and said hey we need 150. participants for our clinical trial the. Nazi regime shipped 150 healthy Jewish. women to this uh this pharmaceutical.

company to test its products literally. within 6 months there's letters back to. the Third Reich from this pharmaceutical. company saying thank you so much for. your cooperation the women arrived in. great health and working order. Unfortunately n of them none of them. made it through the initial phases of. our trial they killed 150 women we. kindly request that you send us another. 150 women that little company became. Bayer which is now a mega pharmaceutical.

company and I say that because right. that was the 50s it would have changed. by now that was forever ago right the. world's a different place we would never. allow that today jump forward post World. War Two I talked about this on rfk's. podcast Eisenhower had that can I pause. you said it was the 50s it couldn't have. been the 50 well the 40s sorry and so. isn't jump forward to is there a way to. turn the volume down on yeah there's a. button or or Knob right there there we.

go so jump forward to uh Eisenhower's. speech his uh famous speech about the. military industrial complex what a lot. of people don't realize is there was a. second half to that speech where. Eisenhower warned the American people. about the medical industrial complex he. warned that if we allow Private Industry. to control monopolize and profiter off. of Health and healthc Care that they. will Silo innovation stifle Innovation.

and capitalize and monetize Innovation. and I would argue that's 100% what we've. seen and it's continuing so and the. reason I want to walk the public through. this is because to understand what's. going on you've got to see the history. of how it's happened so now you jump. forward to the 80s okay time and time. again when big Pharma has had an. opportunity to choose left or right over. and over again they have chose profits.

over patient outcomes so. 1980s uh Bayer launches a hemophilia. drug they inadvertently contaminate. thousands of specimens with. HIV they know that they've contaminated. specimens with HIV this drug with HIV. virus what do they do they have a. decision destroy all of it or ship it to. the public anyway they shipped it into. third world countries after Africa and.

Asian markets and infected 20,000 people. with the HIV virus what this is the 80s. when it was a death sentence and so I. say that to set the groundwork for why. would they ban peptides look at this. from this article division of the. pharmaceutical company beay sold. millions of dollars of blood clotting. medicine for hemophiliacs medicine that. carried a high risk of transmitting a. aids to Asia and Latin America in the. mid1 1980s while selling a new safer. product in the west according to Dr. ments obtained by the New York Times.

holy [ __ ] and to everything I referenced. Jamie because this was something last. time I I am going to mention a lot of. controversial stuff so I've listed. reference after reference after. reference on the ways to well website. anything that I reference will be on. there as well um but so jump forward. they infect all these people with HIV. okay in the 80s compounding pharmacies. and Specialty pharmacies and generic uh. manufacturers attempted to create create. HIV treatment options that were.

affordable for third world countries. because at the time it was like. $14,000 a month for an HIV treatment to. keep you alive nobody could afford that. in those countries so what happens does. big Pharma in a market they can't sell. and a market they can't touch in a. market where they inadvertently infected. or I would say almost knowingly infected. 20,000 people with HIV they then lobby. with the US government file and sue the.

[ __ ] out of all of these companies that. were attempting to make cost effective. generics it caught it up in litigation. for three years before finally they bent. to the will of the American people and. the feedback of of the public there was. outrage over this and finally after. three years of litigation big Pharma. said basically screw it go ahead and. give them the HIV let them make these. HIV meds in these countries that aren't. buying our product anyway and so I just. say all this so you know the people.

we're dealing with right and then you. jump forward to the opioid crisis which. was predicated by the volume crisis of. the I think that was the 40s or 50s uh. and so time and time again and so how. does the FDA come to these conclusions. it's because a majority of their funding. comes from Private Industry and a. majority of their discussion their talk. track their influence their belief. systems and their thought processes are. being influenced by these companies so.

when we talk about peptides today in. specific there's over 7,000 peptides on. the market okay what peptides didn't get. banned that answers the question in. itself the glp1 agonis insulin those. aren't banned those are all patented. peptides these are peptides these are. short chain amino acids found naturally. in nature they were patented for the. dosage and delivery mechanism cuz you. can't cannot patent a molecule you can.

only patent the delivery mechanism and. the dosage and so the FDA allows all. those peptides but it's because big. Pharma is monetizing them and big Pharma. has their. ear and so we we talked a little bit. about this on the last podcast and I. didn't dig as deep because we didn't. have as much time we just burn so much. time covering all of this crap but one. of the things I saw is it goes beyond. the FDA this Insidious virus that this.

disease state that we're seeing the. symptoms of carries all the way into the. DEA the doj when I was a when I owned my. own uh pharmacies and Labs that build. insurance that was one of the things I. was talking about I hired a former. Department of Justice prosecutor to come. in and help me build out my compliance. program and he told me Brigham when I. was at the doj we had an open meeting. every month with with the heads of the.

pharmacy benefit managers where they. would come with stacks of papers books. of papers of people that they wanted us. to federally indict okay and so as I. begin to layer this you'll understand. where this is going so indict if they. can't indict someone if they did nothing. wrong right that would be the the lens. that the average American has so let me. explain you have a let's say I build a. blood lab which I did and I go out and I. educate clinicians on the importance of. running comprehensive blood work I go to.

the insurance companies and I say I. would like to be in network with you. United siga Etna their response is go. pound sand we're not taking any more in. network contracts so my options at that. point are to lay everyone off shut down. and go home uh or build them out of. network the issue with billing them out. of network and so so the patients. understand or the the listeners you're. paying for outof Network benefits and.

you're paying these big companies these. big insurance companies for the right to. be able to choose where you get your. blood work done your blood work analysis. all of these. things what ends up happening is if. you're out of network as a lab as any of. these whether it's a a blood lab a. genetic screening lab like Gary talked. about the mtfhr test the [ __ ]. test we were doing that eight nine years. ago that was one of the tests we offered. was this Gene carrier test to identify.

the root cause of why people are having. these issues any of it insurance said no. we're not you're we're not going to let. you in network so you're forced to build. out of network what does that mean they. pay me 30% of build charges so if it. costs me $300 and I need to make $350 I. now have to basically bill the insurance. $11,000 to get paid my. $350 are you following me yes okay now. what the insurance companies do is they. wait till I've build them millions and.

millions of dollars then they go sit. down at a desk with the Department of. Justice and they say look at this this. [ __ ] builded us $1,000 a test on. a test that should have been. $350 right and I'm not blaming the. Department of Justice they are acting. upon the information that they are given. right they are being fed bad information. by bad players and that leads to bad. decisions and and at that point if they. bring forth a case on somebody you're. done and so it's it's a terrifying space.

um and it's it's in every branch of the. government there's such a long reach of. the ability to uh impress upon people. how so they're they're almost. influencing decision making through. enforcement um rather than through. legislation right so the checks and. balances are being cut out from under. the American people because there is no. checks or. balance Jesus does that make sense at. all and so this is what I explained.

again on RFK was but if you're if you. didn't do anything wrong you have. nothing to worry. about when I started this the the head. of the doj who I hired to help me with. compliance he told me there's two things. that will get you in trouble with the. Department of Justice a lot of money and. bad facts so if you're a successful. entrepreneur you're going to generate a. lot of money and if you get on the wrong. side of a pharmacy I mean of a not a. pharmacy benefit man of an insurance. company they're going to generate the.

bad facts and now you're a Target and. now you're on the Department of Justice. Target list so doctors it's beyond them. being scared of getting kicked off. contract to run these tests it's beyond. them being scared of the insurance. companies cutting their reimbursements. or not allowing them to participate in. their plans they're scared for their. Liberties and their freedoms if if they. get on the wrong side of an insurance. carrier they're going to use the justice. system as an attack dog to to take you. out and this is the honest of God truth.

I saw people who were innocent who did. nothing wrong get federally indicted and. if you understand anything about that. process the more you know the more. [ __ ] terrifying it is it's terrifying. Joe because as soon as they indict you. you're you're you're done in the court. of public opinion right they they. release something in a way that makes it. look like you're this terrible human. they skew the facts the lens of the of.

the insurance companies and so the. insurance companies are essentially. saying hey Department of Justice we. built the case for you here it is look. these guys build us $3. million uh they fraudulently build us. and ran up the cost of health care and. that's the path they take and then once. you're on their radar you you don't get. to present your half of the case so to. get an indictment all it takes is a. prosecutor presenting to a jury of your. peers years which in the state of Texas.

has an eighth grade literacy level and. they say hey these guys build you know. United $5 million last year on lab test. that United say should have been you. know. $800,000 um do you think there's enough. info to dig deeper that's all an. indictment is yeah there's enough info. to dig deeper that sounds like bad facts. and a lot of money right but now it goes. beyond that 90 90 plus% of the time. once they've indicted you they file for.

an asset seizure and so if you're an. orthopedic surgeon and you were invested. in one of these models uh with Labs all. of a sudden you get indicted they seize. your ability to defend yourself all your. bank accounts are cleared they they can. seize your cars they can take your. assets and it's it's terrifying and I'm. not saying this to say the doj is bad. I'm not I don't think they're bad at all. I think they're given bad information. and here to for they act in accordance.

with the information they're given and. it's the same thing with the FDA the FDA. is acting in accordance with big MC is. looking at over 200 peptides for patent. okay they're actively investigating over. 200 I butam Moren which is on the ban. list just popped up phase two FDA trials. with another pharmaceutical company it's. on the ban list but it's in FDA trials. now so they can patent it and monetize. it and have a monopoly on it and what. does it do ibutamoren is the one that.

helps stimulate growth hormone people. use it for weight loss and uh growth. hormone production it's a precursor uh. and it's again it's a safe drug and but. it's not even a drug again it's a. peptide and so peptides are short chain. amino acids and and the only reason I go. down the path of the doj stuff is to. just give the public the awareness of. it's beyond the FDA it's in all branches. of the government and back bad info in. equals bad decisions out um and so I.

think that this is you know if if you. look at it from a different lens I go. okay when I try to sit in the seat of an. FDA uh decision maker I look at it and. say to play Devil's Advocate you know. it's one of two things do you think the. peptides dangerous do you think these. short chain amino acids are dangerous um. because if so you're allowing big Pharma. to use them um and there's no data that. shows that any of these peptides that.

were on the band list are dangerous like. bpc157 and when I say band list let me. step back on that they didn't ban the. peptides they reclassified the peptides. under a category of dangerous and. through that they indirectly have killed. the market on those peptides because. most doctors in America are not going to. write a drug that's on an FDA dangerous. list because it opens them up to. litigation and risk and what what is the. like how do they classify something is. dangerous don't they have to have some.

kind of evidence in this instance. there's no evidence there's literally. and even if you look at Adverse Events. that have been reported across the. United States almost all those Adverse. Events are Black Market any adverse. event regarding bpc157 is literally a. black market product that somebody. bought from China or Canada that's. filled with potential particulates or uh. uh issues of of contamination a lack of.

efficacy or too much efficacy and so. where I was going with this is if if you. we know for sure that the peptide itself. isn't dangerous so then you go and say. okay do you not think that FDA regulated. compounding pharmacies are capable of. compounding these peptides the highest. paid person in my building is my quality. and compliance guy uh he literally. worked for Abbott Laboratory iies for 15. years working hand inand with the FDA to.

make sure they follow all of their. protocols and procedures so just so the. public knows any product that comes into. our pharmacy at revive um our. compounding pharmacy we make sure it's. an FDA approved ingredient with an. independent third-party verification of. the ingredient itself right showing that. it is 100% the ingredients they tell us. it is then we compound it in an ISO 5.

environment the law says we need to do. ISO 7 we go above and beyond and use an. iso5 sterile facility uh we have the two. highest paid employees in our building. are our Regulatory Compliance guys that. are over quality controls okay so then. from there whenever we compound a. product we send every single batch off. to be independently third-party verified. by a independent lab unaffiliated with. us and we file those records away.

everything is documented every aspect. from the chain of custody of the. ingredient to the chain of custody of. the drug to the delivery to the patient. all of that is documented so it's either. one you're saying the peptide's. dangerous or two you're saying. compounding pharmacies are incapable of. compounding drugs that aren't dangerous. and if that's the case then why are you. asking us to compound hundreds of drugs. that are on FDA back order lists because.

your buddies at Big Pharma aren't going. to compound them because they don't make. enough money they don't generate enough. Revenue so half the stuff that's on a. crash cart used in the hospital system. is made by Mom and popop compounding. pharmacies it's like so the safety is. there the efficacy is there the. sterility is there and the peptide. itself is safe so I just go back to to I. have to believe that you're acting upon.

bad information and I want to give them. the benefit of the doubt and you know my. message is we've got to go meet with the. FDA and we've got to start having. conversations and we've got to represent. small compounding pharmacies and the. average American because right now. they're only hearing half the story and. that half of the story is Big Pharma. banging on the desk and saying hey we. want to patent these peptides we're. going to go through clinical trials. we're going to do it the right way you. know and we're going to do all these.

checks and balances but it's like we. don't need you involved in supplements. like if you really look at it it's it's. essenti I mean again I've said it it's a. short chain amino acid it's not a. drug it's just bananas that it's that. corrupt yeah it really is it is and you. going and having a conversation with the. FDA in my mind that's not going to fix. jack [ __ ] they're going to listen to you. and they go okay yeah you well the other. end is what what's going to happen if.

they really truly continue to regulate. these things out of the marketplace is. you're not going to regulate it you're. just going to shut down the people that. follow the rules you're going to shut. down the compounding pharmacies that do. things right and here's an example like. let's talk about the peptides that. didn't get banned the gp1s which is uh. what a lot of people know as wovi OIC um. the generic names are tepati o uh tepati. and uh seatide um weight loss drugs glp1.

Agonist those are not on the ban list. because FDA has or big Pharma has. patents on those um but they can't. patent the molecule right they can only. patent the dosage and the brand name so. compounding phes throughout the country. are compounding those products for. pennies on the dollar at a different. dosage and then what happens is and and. that's because these products are on an. FDA back order list okay this is the. whole cycle of the L ludicrousness of. this.

situation there the FDA is saying hey. there's not enough of this product to. meet the demand of the of the American. people and if we really look at what. those drugs are they're not a weight. loss drug they're a diabetes medication. and we know that diabetes. indirectly impact or or directly impacts. poverty-stricken and minority. communities. disproportionately and. so when we compound these medications to. meet the needs of the people who can't. get those medications or maybe can't. afford those medications because they're.

on a FDA back order list and they're. asking us to compound them big Pharma. then turns around and sues compounding. pharmacies throughout the country then. uses their Long Reach of PR firms to put. it in the news make it sound like you. don't know what you're doing like these. compounding pharmacies are dangerous. they're not regulated it's the wild west. out there and compounding pharmacies. there's no oversight these aren't FDA. approved products [ __ ] absolute.

[ __ ] do you know how many times the. FDA has been in my Pharmacy in 18 months. twice they've we've interacted with them. four times in 18 months do you know that. there are. 2500 manufacturing facilities owned by. big Pharma that have not been inspected. in five or more years five or more years. furthermore they've outsourced their. manufacturer to third world countries in.

rural areas and those products when they. come into the United States do not go. under FDA inspection there is no. validity testing like we do there's no. sterility testing there's none of that. and so why are gp1s on back order you. want to know why sure because the Eli. Lily specifically with its product got. one of their facilities shut down cuz. they failed FDA inspection with. egregious. we saw just a few weeks ago uh ey drops.

that are from FDA approved sources got. recalled and when a whistleblower blew. the whistle they go in and there's. people in their ISO sterile rooms. Barefoot like the the level of. egregiousness and manipulation is insane. but when you control the media and you. have the ear of the government and you. can move chest pieces it makes it hard. to you know be able to navigate that. compete with that and educate people and.

so if you didn't give me a platform. nobody would know this stuff if it. wasn't for people like you and and. Robert Kennedy and people who question. things and challenge the system um I. can't SEO optimize I can't Google search. engine optimize I can't get these. messages out I called a PR firm to say. Hey how do we combat this and what can. we do and they were like the best bet. you have is long form media like podcast. that's really the only way you're going. to get it out there it's not going to be. something picked up by the media Outlets.

cuz they're dirty too well a lot of. their a lot of their advertising and. funding comes from Big farma so it makes. it tough well we found that out during. the pandemic but what's fascinating is. it's had a terrible effect on their. bottom line because people watch them. shill for these pharmaceutical drug. companies and not report Adverse Events. and not report the dangers of shutting. down schools and all the harm that it's. doing to children and all the harm. that's doing to business because they. didn't report on that people lost faith.

in them yep like radically CNN showed. recently its lowest rating since. 1991 well look at what they did with you. with the vaccines and I don't know if. you saw now two two different articles. in the last 60 60 days probably one is. that people who have been vaccinated. multiple times over I think the age of. 60 are at an increased risk of being. hospitalized with Co was one of the. Articles and then the other article was.

that two of the heads of the FDA that. approved the vaccines now went to go. work for Mna in the last 40 years okay. the last 40 Years of the. FDA two heads of the FDA have not gone. to work for industry two only two that's. nuts that's insanity and so and and. that's the same thing that was happening. at the doj and that's why I wanted to. bring up the doj and as well even though.

that they have nothing to do with the. peptides they are part of the the. healthcare industrial complex. inadvertently because they're being used. as an attack dog by the big insurance. companies and all it takes is one. orthopedic surgeon getting indicted for. something or one general surgeon getting. indicted for something for everyone to. go [ __ ] that I'm done I'm not doing that. test I'm not doing a genetic test like. no way and and now insurance doesn't. even cover any of those tests and so. they're going to force anything out of. the marketplace with time but in the.

short term they're going to run their. offense and that same level of spit. that's being swapped at the FDA is being. swapped at the doj so the big insurance. companies attempt to recruit away doj. prosecutors and once they've built their. reputation in working as a as a steward. for the people uh at the Department of. Justice and they put some big hides on. the wall and big build build a name for. themselves they'll get recruited to. Private Industry. and one of the big options for them is. to go work for the uh the insurance.

companies including the FBI agents so. most of the and I and I say this because. I don't think the average clinician in. America even understands when you have a. insurance special investigative unit. show up at your practice which happens. so if you run a lot of blood tests or. you do a lot of genetic tests or you do. anything that the insurance company. thinks man this guy's doing these tests. I don't want him doing these tests. anymore there's a chance that they send. an auditor and that auditor is a special.

investigative unit and that guy is. typically a former FBI agent that worked. for the federal government who still has. all those connections at the office and. so there's just so much. cross-pollination and again it's not me. saying the doj is bad or the FDA is bad. I'm saying when they're given bad. information just like AI information in. information out like why are they why. would they be upset of people running. tests well this gets super complicated.

we talked about this on the last podcast. so there's laws rules and rags and the. the the state and federal laws say that. Physicians are allowed to have an. investment uh in an entity so a lot of. people don't know that like when you go. to a surgery center there's a good. chance that that surgeon owns into that. surgery center okay if if you go to a if. you have a clinician um like somebody. from the the Mother Ship they couldn't. get uh they could not get uh their glp1.

SEO tide so they reached out to me and. said hey can you get my dad some egide. and I'm like yeah we make it at the. pharmacy the doctor wouldn't send to our. Pharmacy and it's most likely because he. had a relationship with another Pharmacy. right and so that physician may have. been invested in that Pharmacy and as. crazy as that sounds the law says they. can as long as you don't pay them on the. value or volume of their referal. they're allowed to have a passive. interest so think of it as you're.

investing in a stock right if I work at. Abbott I mean if I if I'm a doctor and I. prescribe a drug from fizer I'm still. allowed to invest in fiser stock right. what I'm not allowed to do is receive. Direct. renumeration in accordance with the. value or volume of my referral it cannot. be an arrangement where you say I'm. going to give you $100 per patient right. that's that's a kickback that's illegal. that's a violation of federal and state. law um however if there is an investment.

Bonafide investment opportunity and a. 100 clinicians buy into a hospital and. then they operated that hospital the law. says they're allowed to own into that. hospital and own up to 40% of that. hospital and so again and two I always. like to give both sides of the story and. I said this on the last podcast there. are bad people doing bad things. throughout every aspect of this it's not. insurance companies are all bad and. clinicians are all good and lab owners.

are all good there is egregious stuff. happening at all levels and there are. indictments that the Department of. Justice bring forth that are 100%. Justified no arguments there but often. times the baby gets thrown out with the. bath water and often times the insurance. companies are able to skew facts in a. way that put innocent people in bad. positions and that that's all I'm trying. to say and so it it it's so deep and go.

runs so deep it it take us seven podcast. to cover all this stuff but I mean it's. it's real it's it's not fufo stuff it's. real it's happening every day and most. people have zero idea this is happening. and most people just look at the. recommendations whatever it is whether. it's been discussed in the media whether. their doctor tells them and they don't. have any idea what the influence behind. that is correct. correct it's tough I mean it it's tough. It's nuts but the the side effect.

profile safe um on the peptides like. there's the efficacy like time and time. again I cannot tell you how many people. how many patients and clinicians who buy. bpc for their patients throughout the. United States have had phenomenal. results with the healing factors and I. attached some links um on the waist well. website about bpc and studies done with. healing spine injuries with healing. joint injuries um and and there's even a. study on safety and it wasn't in humans.

but the safety study was in mammals dogs. and mice and yeah there's it literally. talks about how there was Zero side. effects seen re irregardless of dosage. so this this study is a gastric pep uh. that's just bpc that's the yeah the full. name of how do you say it pentad DEA. Penta peptide Penta peptide body. protection compound bpc157 it's rolling. acceler MUSC muscular skeletal soft.

tissue. healing yeah it works man it really does. work insane how well it works it works. and so what's sad is and here and then. so as we talk about there's just so much. to cover I'm sorry I did this last time. too but as we look at it um go. wild as we look at it and we say okay uh. what's going to happen so one of two. things either the FDA will hopefully. meet with compounding Farm AES and have. the discussion and we can dive a little.

deeper and hopefully bring them to the. light and bring awareness to this or. they ban these things and what's going. to happen is exactly what happened with. the opioid pandemic epidemic people are. going to turn to black market right we. had more opioid Rel opioid related. deaths last year than ever in the. history of the United States more people. have now died of opioids than the. Vietnam War it is killing Young. Americans left and right it's because. you allowed Purdue Pharma to push a. product into the market that never had.

safety trials right as far as addiction. goes they piggybacked onto a previous. indication of their cotton system get it. into the marketplace all these people. get addicted boom let's over regulate. let's make it really hard to get opioids. now everyone turns to black market and. that's exactly what's going to happen. with peptides people are already buying. it off the internet they're buying it. from China they're buying it from Black. Market sources they're buying it from. nonhuman use sources and that means that.

there is no oversight they do not go. through all the protocols and procedures. that we go through at our Pharmacy like. all of the safety nets all of the checks. and balances all the things that I just. went through about how we do it are gone. and so now yeah you do risk Adverse. Events you do risk issues because who. knows what contaminants in that right. especially if you're getting it from. some country and they're cutting corners. and they're just selling you whatever. they can and so the fallacy though the. biggest fallacy is that if it comes from.

a big pharmaceutical company and it's in. the American Market that it's safe. because time and time again they've. misrepresented the safety they've. misrepresented the efficacy right and. then you go beyond that they've also. misrepresented their compliance and. Regulatory and their quality controls. right that I was where I was going. earlier is they've outsourced 30% of. their manufacturing to third to outside. of the United States to third world.

countries where it's cheaper to. manufacture in fact a lot of them are. Manufacturing in rural areas of India um. where sometimes there's no running water. at the hotels there's no so if I'm an. FDA inspector and I can choose to go. down the street and inspect a. compounding pharmacy in Austin Texas or. I've got to get on a plane and fly to a. rural part of India and now I have to. give you 3 months heads up before I come. right when the FDA shows up at my. building they show up and they say we're.

coming in and you're going to let us. look at everything you're doing and. we're going to follow your employees. around for the next three weeks and. we're going to see if anything they've. done is incorrect that's the level of. scrutiny we Face the level of scrutiny. big Pharma faces is we moved our. facilities overseas you got to give us a. three month's notice to go into those. facilities and then when you get into. those facilities uh yeah there's a book. called bottle of Lies it's an. investigative journalist I mean and it's. it'll blow your mind like when the FDA.

showed up they were burning records. that's with 3 months notice they were. burning records they made up their. efficacy data the data was all falsified. over and over and over again these. things have happened and uh I don't. remember the author's name but the book. is called bottle of lies and she Dives. deep into that she was an investigative. journalist Jesus. Christ so when they're putting these. things on on the dangerous list things. like bpc157 is the idea that they're.

going to come up with their own version. of bpc 157 or something similar to it. and patent it because they know the. demand is. there that is my assumption is that. that's what big farm is attempting to do. because I don't understand otherwise why. the FDA all of the sudden would have. made this Choice it blindsided everyone. compounding pharmacies clinicians nobody. saw this coming because there weren't. bunch of Adverse Events literally the. only Adverse Events I've seen with.

anything on that band list and we've. treated I don't even know how many. because way toell has 30,000 patients in. our patient population my Pharmacy the. last I saw was over 500,000 people have. filled prescriptions we're Nationwide. we're working with some of the biggest. tele medicine companies in in the. country clinicians throughout the. country um we're we're one of the bigger. pharmacies providing these solutions for. these practices and. the only Adverse Events we've seen is. like an injection site inflammation.

response an inflammatory respond at the. injection site sometimes it'll itch um. the worst is somebody's gotten cold. sweats for a few minutes and that's rare. those are rare rare reportings like most. this is again because you look at it it. occurs naturally in nature it's a. peptide it's an amino acid it is a. building block of life that your body. becomes deficient in as you age right. our body becomes less and less. sufficient and so these peptides are a. way to supplement um my buddy Ryan.

humiston did a video on it he's like a. big YouTuber and he called it a. Flintstone vitamins for grown-ups and. it's like it is this is the reason like. the reason that supplements aren't. regulated by the FDA is because Ronald. Reagan said I don't want the FDA telling. me what vitamins I can and can't take. right but because this is an injectable. and it's sterile for the most part and. they're pill forms too but the FDA says. well if it's an injectable it's sterile. and it's made at a compounding pharmacy.

then we have oversight but I want to be. clear they didn't ban it they just put. it on a dangerous list and this is one. of the things that makes it difficult to. navigate as an entrepreneur is you go. well what are we supposed to do with. that does that mean we're not allowed to. make it does that mean we are allowed to. make it you're saying it's dangerous but. we're not having side effects and we're. having great efficacious results uh it. just makes it tough insane that they can. put something on a d dangerous list with. no evidence yeah I know that's wild I.

know I mean it just it just seems like. clear-cut corruption yeah and because. the power of the insurance companies and. the power of the pharmaceutical drug. companies well and then where I get. frustrated is I've been to Oz Joe I've. been behind the [ __ ] curtain I know I. was a device rep I was a drug rep I. stood in surgeries from Dust Till Dawn. watching products that have never had. human safety trials go into the body. time and time again when people think. that going into an orthopedic surgery or.

going into a general surgery or going. into an OBG surgery you make the. assumption that all these products have. been through human safety studies and. all this stuff and I talked about this. on our last podcast too but over 90% of. the products that are in the operating. room never went through human safety. studies the FDA created What's called. the 510k approval process in the 70s. they said it's growing too fast we're. bogged down we can't get to all this.

[ __ ] now you're bolting on all these. extra products in addition to drugs and. now we're talking biologics and let's. not even get into Ai and large language. models you know to their credit they're. doing their best to navigate a really. tough space with a lot of different. stuff coming at them and so they created. a loophole and the premise was less than. 10% of the products would come through. this channel to get into the operating. room jump forward to today and 92% of.

the products in the operating room came. in through the 510k approval process and. what is that process what it says is if. you can show something in like kind is. already in the operating room then you. can do what's called a daisy chain so. imagine iPhone 1 versus the new iPhone. right that's what we're talking about. here imagine Henry Ford's car versus. Elon musk's cyber truck that's the. difference and it's moving at a.

Breakneck speed and it's shocking that. there's not more Adverse Events but we. also know that less than 2% of Adverse. Events get. reported and so I can give you a real. world example on that too when I was a. rep. um there were Shavers that kept. continually changing right and it's it's. a it's a a blade that goes in this. shoulder and they clean up your shoulder. and cut out tissue that tissue has to. get sucked through a canulated component.

of the shaver handpiece and pumped into. a vacuum and disposed of and discarded. of the bad tissue that you the tissue. that you wanted to extrapolate um as the. technology changed and the shaver hand. pieces got smaller and smaller a lot of. these companies didn't update their. packaging inserts and so they didn't. update their Sterile Processing. procedures and so what happened is. tissue began to Gunk up and hand pieces. and this was not unique to one company. I'm not going to say the company's names.

and I'm not going to name the hospitals. but there's there's a company that took. the fall for it but in reality I was the. rep and I I I went in and helped that. hospital figure out what was going on. and I took a camera and I scoped every. canulated piece of equipment that I. could find all of it had tissue in it. gunked up tissue from previous surgeries. in that and so when you take this. product from one surgery to the next. surgery to the next surgery we know that.

certain bacterias are extremophiles they. can handle so they Auto quave it and all. that is is to to purify it it's called. clean dirt right the the debate at the. time was is there such thing as clean. dirt if we run it through a sterile. processing machine and we cook it at. thousands and thousands of degrees. nothing can survive that right no. bacteria is an extremophile it can. [ __ ] make it from outer space on a. meteorite and crash onto Earth you know. like these are some of the most. resilient life forms in the history of.

existence well prons the things that. cause mad cow disease you could cook. them at thousands of degrees and they. stay alive well this is where it gets. even scarier so whether we're talking. about like with stem cells one of the. big things that's happened is when they. when they throw out Adverse Events even. with the uh stem cells or biologics. products almost all of those Adverse. Events have nothing to do with the. product and everything to do with the. chain of command so look at how rigorous.

the chain of command is on me as a. compounding pharmacy I told you step by. step by step check balance check balance. check balance none of that. exists in in big medical none of it I. was a device rep with Shavers pumps. equipment implants in my trunk of my car. in 110° weather I it wasn't just me. every rep carries product called trunk. stock drug reps carry product called.

trunk stock they put drugs in the trunk. of their car and drive around and give. them to clinicians to use for samples. but those products aren't being climate. controlled in the way they're supposed. to be there's no chain of command. there's no chain of. custody they're not following any of. those protocols and even the storage. facilities that almost all of these. implant companies are using and device. companies they're not paying for climate. controlled storage typically they're. sticking them in a storage shed and then.

a month later that product's going into. surgery and so I'll give you another. crazy and I'm I'm saying all this not to. bash one company or bash anybody in. particular it's just the truth Joe it's. the [ __ ] truth and when the FDA says. we're worried about safety on a peptide. that's a naturally occurring amino acid. I call [ __ ] because I go then where. were you when all this other stuff was. happening I was in a surgery at the. Houston Zoo where I watched a shaver. hand piece being used on a tiger and it. had green tape wrapped around it okay.

and I thought oh that's interesting it. had green tape jump forward two months. later I'm in a human surgery and I see a. shaver handpiece with green tape and I. thought man that's wild it can't be so I. checked the serial number same damn. serial number that was in that tiger. surgery what same serial number at the. time what was happening is if a loner. went out it would go out to a animal. surgery Veterinary Clinic there's no way. to differentiate right so a account.

number is an account number right and so. they ship out a loner and they would use. that and then they'd ship it back but. okay but they're going to process it. clean it sterilize it you never should. be doing that in the first place but. I've already told you now how the. packaging inserts don't explain properly. how to clean out these instruments and. it's not one company it's not one. product it's thousands of products so a. human patient could have been. potentially contaminated with bacteria.

from a Tiger 100%. 100% you you never you never like and so. I I say I just say this because when. they're throwing stones or people are. like peptides are dangerous or stem. cells are D it's like this is nature and. the rules and the regs and the. restrictions and the safety nets and the. protocols and the chain of custody and. the Hoops that we jump through like. let's go to the cellular options whether. we get a a biologic whether cellular or.

acellular okay when it ships out they. say what time it shipped it ships on dry. ice stored at frigid temperatures we. when it arrives we have to sign for it. and then we immediately unbox it and. load it into a cryo freezer and document. each Lot number what time we put it in. the freezer and within 30 days if we. don't use that product we discard it. even though there's no nothing that says. it's not viable uh or it's not going to. be as good that's the protocol because.

we're going to go above and beyond and. follow the most rigid safety protocols. and that does not happen in traditional. medicine the average American is. assuming that if they go into surgery. that's safe but these stem cells man oh. who knows about that that could be. dangerous and the truth is everything's. risk reward it's all risk. reward Jesus Christ it's just so gunked. up it's just so corrupt that it feels.

helpless when you're discussing this. like there's this feeling that the more. you dive into this and the more you. describe things the deeper you expose. the corruption the more it's so. confusing because it doesn't seem like. there's a way out well and you asked me. last time you were trying to ask me to. articulate how I started wayed well how. I started revive and we spent three. [ __ ] hours going through all this the. truth of the matter is I saw problem I. tried to come up with a solution and. that's all I've been doing over and over.

again problem there's an opioid epidemic. it killed my brother solution. non-addictive non-abusive treatment. modalities to heal and help with pain. that so I start a pharmacy Insurance. says nah we're not going to cover it. right we'll just put them on an opioid. okay problem now I have to figure out. how to make these products cost. effective enough to be able to sell them. to the average American the average Joe. you know not the affluent it's everybody.

needs to be able to afford these. treatments so I built a 503a sterile. Pharmacy and we began to make products. that were in the gaps anything I saw. that insurance didn't cover wouldn't. cover was egregiously price gouging. patients on is what we would make at our. compounding pharmacy um and so then we. start ways to well can you give me. examples of those products like what. what yeah so I mean any well peptides. fall into that chain um you know big.

pharmas wasn't making peptides but now. that the market took off on peptides big. Pharma is trying to cannibalize peptides. and get into that space more and more. like I said mk's looking at over 200. peptides right now um testosterone. therapy right when a lot of times when. people say Hey you know if it worked. everyone would use it in traditional. medicine no it it took 75 years of dogma. and confusion for testosterone to P. itself out of the doldrums of the. dungeons to be utilized daily as a go-to.

resource for aging men and the only. reason testosterone made it out was. because one guy had the balls to test it. no pun intended but it was uh Dr Morgan. Tyler a urologist famous urologist said. he this was prior to Viagra he said I've. got to do something for these guys who. have a rectile dysfunction I don't have. an option and he began using. testosterone and then his colleague said. well hold on a second. that's going to cause prostate cancer. and then he began to analyze his patient.

population and see that it wasn't. increasing prostate cancer in his PA. patient population so then he went back. and did a retrospective study all the. way back to the 1930s where we found out. that the original study that created. that Dogma that maintained its status. for over 75 [ __ ] years was total. [ __ ] it was a patient population of. three two guys dropped out of the study. one guy had uh levels that went up and. down on his prostate levels and it was. it it was all debunked and now it's.

proven time and time again if. testosterone was increasing prostate. cancer we would have seen a huge spike. in prostate cancer what we're seeing is. about 14% of men develop prostate cancer. and so as we walk through what do think. the reason for that is for what why do. 14% of men develop prostate cancer well. 14% of men in general patient population. develop prostate cancer General thank. you for clarifying that yeah not so not. population correct and so the thought. was if we increase um certain levels.

that we would increase the risk of. prostate cancer and so the challenge. becomes if you really go back and you. look at the study the guy who stayed in. the study was chemically castrated he. had a testosterone level of 50 nanograms. per deciliter which is considered. chemically castrated so non-existent. what Morgan Tyler discovered was when we. take you from 50 chemically castrated to. low 250 we increase your risk of. prostate cancer because your prostate.

cancer risk at zero testosterone is. basically zero right but once we push. past 250 the low number we now reduce. your risk of prostate cancer in fact we. insulate you from various forms of. cancer Beyond prostate cancer so there's. a therapeutic benefit if we get you into. optimal ranges and it's called the. saturation model so think of it like. this you can only water a plant so much. right once that plant has water it's not. going to absorb any more water the.

prostate can only the testosterone can. only bind to a certain amount of. receptors once those receptors are. binded then there's no continual upside. risk and then you get to get the. benefits of testosterone that begin to. reduce those risks of cancer but today. in primary care you will still have. doctors who. quote a study that's been debunked a. hundred times. oh and that there's this Dogma that. exists over and over again in healthcare.

where it's like the data is there the. research is there the info is there but. the system itself isn't allowing for it. um and so when we look at that I talked. about this on the last when we talk. about insurance companies and Pharmacy. benefit managers every drug on the. market that is covered by insurance is. controlled by a pharmacy benefit. manager and those Pharmacy benefit. managers prioritize drugs and their. classifications not based off efficacy.

based off profits right and so they are. monetizing those drugs um through. rebates with the big insurance companies. so insulin's a prime example it the in. current uh the Senate house committee. did a study on insulin where they found. like the price of insulin was $284 a. vial do you know how much made it back. to the company that to the. pharmaceutical company that was making. that insulin less than.

$40 where the hell did all that extra. money go it went to the pharmacy benefit. managers and the insurance companies. through. rebates and so this is the whole other. area of healthcare that people aren't. understanding and I tried to explain it. uh on on the last podcast I know we Dove. deep into it but it is a crucial. component for people to get their head. around what's happening so. insurance companies so many people say. well I have health insurance right that.

drug isn't covered by my health. insurance so it must be [ __ ] or that. test isn't covered by my health. insurance so it must be [ __ ] no you. don't have health insurance what you. have is managed care plan they've. renamed these plans it isn't health. insurance it's a managed care plan and. what do I mean by that they're managing. your medications your treatment options. and they're monetizing your disease. State they make money on every step of.

the way and in since the last time we. spoke a new a new one came out uh Ohio. the state of Ohio uh they realized that. over 200 phes had gone out of business. thees were saying we're getting paid. less and less but yet the government was. paying more and more why how where was. that money coming from where was it. going when they they used I think I. can't remember 30s something Auditors at. the state level and what they found was.

$240 million in Pharmacy benefit manager. fraud $240. million in money that they extrapolated. from the American people from the people. of the state of Ohio because taxpayer. dollars are who's paying for this stuff. and these Pharmacy benefit managers are. making their money on the spread so. there's layer upon layer upon layer of. how insurance companies can move dollars. to maximize profits Jesus Christ does.

that does that make sense at all it. makes sense but it just like the more. you talk the more disheartening it is. well well I mean there's two different. views on it right there's. uh optimists are usually successful and. pessimists are usually right I am very. optimistic about the future of medicine. I'm very optimistic through large. language models cash pay model I didn't. want to get into that without first. setting the tone for the listeners on. how we're here why did we go to cash pay. why is ways to well not in the insurance.

model why is revive not in the insurance. model because the insurance model no. longer exists that model is meant to. monetize your. disease right so Gary talked about this. you come in let's say I come in and I'm. G give you a perfect example I'm a mom. I'm stressed I have anxiety I'm not. sleeping at night I go to my primary. care that primary care has 6 minutes. with me it's not their fault they're. doing their best to navigate a [ __ ]. system they write me an ambian and an.

antidepressant or an anti-anxiety and. they push me out the door and that's. their go-to treatment because that's the. tool in their tool belt the difference. is if somebody were to come in the door. of ways to well or any of these cash pay. clinics I don't even want to make it. about wayt Towell there are hundreds of. phenomenal clinics across the country. Peter AA is a prime example he's going. to take the time time to ask the. question to do the Deep dive to peel. back the layers to the onion rather than.

treating the symptom you're going to. uncover the root cause and so what did. you do to assess that individual right. if it was us we would do a comprehensive. blood panel we would identify is there a. hormonal imbalance or any sort of. imbalance in their biomarkers not going. to happen and the insurance model. because of what I was telling you the. doctors are scared they're scared of. getting kicked off the insurance they're. scared of ending up on a doj desk. because they're being the data is being. skewed the info is being skewed all of.

it it's one half of the narrative um so. that's one reason they won't do it so. that's the biomarker test okay let's. look at the other thing we would do we. would run an EEG to assess your for if. you're if you have insomnia anxiety. depression all these things another way. to dig in the root cause separate from. biomarkers is an EEG to run a brain wave. test that tells tells us is your brain. neurons firing at the posterior of your. brain to the prefrontal cortex of your.

brain and if you're losing data from the. posterior to the prefrontal cortex what. you find is people with depression with. anxiety with all these things they're. losing 40 to 50% of that neuros. neuropathic uh firing from the rear of. their brain to the front of their brain. and this is a simple $200 test okay then. you go to what Gary brought up you can. do a methylfolate detoxification test uh. mtfhr the [ __ ] test is what they. call it and it's a gene carrier test 40%.

of people in America suffer from that. Gene right there's four other genes that. are part of that test that we do any one. of those genes can change the way your. body processes and. detoxifies they're never going to do. that that isn't covered by Insurance you. could do a pharmacogenetic test to see. if that if that individual is even. capable of metabolizing the treatment. that you're writing them do they have a. cytochrome P4 50 variants will this even. work how are they processing their food. we can do a gut biome test we can.

identify do you have a food allergy is. your gut biome in good working order not. covered by Insurance do you get where. I'm going yeah there's seven or eight. things we should be doing before we ever. write you a [ __ ] drug for sure seven. or eight easy things and you're not. talking about a million dollars like I. bet all of those tests combined come out. to less than a thousand bucks and and I. know that's a lot but you know how much. do you spend on your car payment how.

much do you spend on your house you're. spending a portion of your life in that. you're spending 100% of this existence. in this flesh vessel and you only get. one of them what are you going to do. with it are you going to put your hands. your your life in the hands of these. [ __ ] [ __ ] that are here to. extrapolate money from you and manage. you into chronic disease and I'm not. saying the doctors are the doctors are. just using the tools that are in their. tool belt they're using the data and the. tools that are in their tool belt and. that's all they know how to do and they.

don't have the time and they're stressed. and they're overworked and they're tired. and they're just trying to make it and. they're beat down these people are beat. down and how many of these doctors even. know about these tests a lot of them. don't because again a lot of it's not. covered by insurance and so if it's not. in their wheelhouse and so when you went. back to wait doctors have Investments. when I owned a blood lab one of the. things I learned is. that clinician's so busy if there's not. a carrot at the end of the stick to have.

the conversation to do the Deep dive to. explain to them the methodology and the. clinical protocols and the. why they're not going to mess with it. because they're just again trying to. make it through the day and so those. were Pathways to be able to educate a. clinician and give them some insight. into why they should be doing these. tests clinically um but yeah even even. today like with if you talk about. cellular therapies if you talk about. peptides most primary care clinicians in.

this country have no idea about peptides. uh or they'll say it's [ __ ] or they. say they don't work and they'll say the. same thing with cellular therapy um you. can't get stem cells in the United. States you can't get that you know it. it's just this Dogma that has created a. misconception infrared that's another. example you and I were talking about. infrared beds and red light. therapy it is viewed by a lot lot of the. doctors in this Health Care system and I. say Healthcare Loosely it's sick care as.

pseudo science um. [ __ ] uh Chiropractic stuff but if. you look infrared and these Technologies. photo light therapy has been used since. 1903 1905 the guy won a Nobel Prize uh. huberman does a 2hour breakdown on this. stuff it infrared is not [ __ ] there. are over 60 studies that show infrared. works there was a study done in Europe. that showed infrared improved vision and.

people over the age of 40 like using. three minutes of infrared three days a. week returned vision and eyesight. there's nothing that has done that and. so infrared has done that and has helped. people with uh degenerative eye disease. like as your eyes begin to degenerate. and how does it do it we even know the. science behind it like it literally when. you're taking NAD drips and you're doing. all this stuff you're doing it to try. and get your cells to produce more ATP.

because as we age our production of ATP. Decline and ATP is the energy source of. a cell and our eyes have a limited. amount of ATP but they require a massive. amount of energy and so as we age and. our ATP dedu declines our cells are in. incapable of having the amount of energy. required to maintain great eyesight and. so through infrared through uh NAD. treatments through nmn through all of. these various modalities that are not.

being utilized in traditional medicine. you can make a difference aren't they. trying to ban nmn as well yeah yeah it's. just crazy again same thing where's the. where's the negative side effects and. all n MN is is a precursor to NAD right. and uh and even NAD when I sent you that. study a year ago like my mind's changed. I'm constantly evolving I'm constantly. learning right I I listened to some. people in Academia that told me they. thought NAD was [ __ ] and I I can.

tell you I have a friend who is. diagnosed with Ms um who's one of my. best friends in the world and he is on a. treatment that cost $14,000 a month from. the insurance companies and wasn't. getting good results and we started. doing weekly NAD and bpc157 and he. swears and again this is anecdotal I'm. not saying that this is going to cure. him as that's not at all he has has. gotten better results and has felt. better over the last 8 months than he. ever felt on that $144,000 a month.

medication wow so it's for them to. understand it we've got we would have. and that's why it's like so to move to. be able to use these treatment. modalities you almost have to go cash. pay and then what what I'm trying to. figure out is how do we bring this to. the masses how do we bring longevity. based predictive proactive personalized. medicine to the masses. how do we bring this Precision approach. to everybody and that's where I think.

large language models are going to. change the game they're going to change. the world I sent you uh Allen the other. day the little alien that's I don't like. his voice yeah well he's a he's a beta. so we're working on getting him all. worka yeah so but that's that's see that. feedback is amazing because when I talk. about personalized I'm just kidding it's. not real feedback but for me this is my. thought on it part of being personalized. goes above and beyond personalizing. treatments with peptides and all these. different things to personalizing the. patient experience some people want to.

call their clinician at 2 am. I can't. tell you how many days I wake up and. somebody who went through the program. messages me asking a clinical question. and I've got to bug the clinician and. I've got 30 of those right or the. clinician gets an inbox filled with. questions the future of medicine is. large language models will manage all of. that that large L that Allan will be. able to assess your medical record he'll. be able to read your MRI he'll be able. to read your dexa he'll be able to read. your V2 Max he'll be able to assess your. all cause mortality risk he'll be able.

to tie into your wearables tie into your. Rim sleep monitor your heart rate. variability that's proactive predictive. medicine we're going to know what date. you started testosterone what date you. started a peptide what date we began to. see Improvement on all of your. biomarkers or if we don't see. Improvement we're going to know in. advance that this isn't a good medicine. for you this isn't a good treatment for. you and so traditional medicine is not. going to do these things it's never. going to happen can you explain when. you're saying large language models.

you're talking about artificial. intelligence yeah well so the the really. smart guys like Lex would say well large. language models are just assessing. massive amounts of data and guessing the. next word right and so chat GPT is a. large language model they don't consider. it AI um but but isn't the speculation. the one of the reasons why they think. Sam Alman was pushed out is that chat. GPT has acquired artificial general. intelligence in the newest models um.

that is that is what I've heard from my. AI guys as well so I don't I was told I. was told that he has a fiduciary duty to. the board to disclose if the uh chat GPT. makes a leap is what they call it and uh. it made a leap and then I guess they. continued forward without reporting it. to the board but again this is all heay. I don't know I don't have any line of. sight into that but my my buddies in. have told me that repeatedly hearing. this yeah that was the same thing I. heard which is very scary which is. interesting because I will say this the.

scary side is like when you start. messing with these large language models. there are behaviors that they do that. aren't programmed behaviors right I'm. not you know I'm I've got a small monkey. brain I can't tell you like it's a. little it's a little odd to me a little. intimidating you're like man that's wild. uh an example is like with Allen even. when I was pressing him and asking. different questions and cutting him off. he hesitated he. like and held his hand up and I'm like. that's weird and the AI guys were saying.

this is an example of like things that. the large language model is kind of like. improving on its own that wouldn't be. like a programmed Behavior so I mean the. future is is scary and exciting right. and I look at that so your little AI. gives you the a finger to like hold on a. second because I kept asking him the qu. changing the questions on him and asking. him to reword stuff um and he's not. programmed to do that no no And so. there's interesting stuff like that and. like I don't know enough about it cuz. I'm not a tech guy I'm a I've come from.

Healthcare um but I what I see is like. everything Allen and these AI models are. a tool in the tool belt and any tool can. be used for good or for bad and so my. vision for the future of AI and large. language models is using that to scale. and bring predictive medicine to the. masses um when I came on your podcast. last time we had thousands upon. thousands of people. register in my model a clinician spends.

45 minutes with you reviewing your lab. results deep diving into every aspect of. you at the biological level deep diving. into your gut biome whatever test it is. we do we're going to spend the time and. we want to educate and Empower patients. and give them Sentry over their health. because they're used to a system where. they go in they're given a drug and. they're pushed out and they leave going. why I don't know I don't really. understand why am I taking this what's. wrong with me right I don't want that.

for them I want patients to be educated. and informed and make autonomous. decisions that they drive right and so. the the goal is to use large language. models to give them a resource imagine. if I can take the best and brightest. Minds in medicine and put them in your. [ __ ] pocket 247 imagine if you had. huberman and AA in your pocket and it's. 2: a.m. and you got a question about NAD. you just ask ask Allan ask the large. language model is going to know all that.

and he's going to be able to tie it to. your medical records and he's going to. be able to tie it to the pharmacy and. know what date your prescription shipped. and the only reason I'll be able to do. that and when we go back to data in data. out right and in our llm model it will. be a closed infrastructure I'm not going. to give him access to or the AI access. to the internet right the plan is we're. going to peerreview we're going to look. over over anything that's loaded into. that algorithm and we're going to allow. him to practice in the way that a way to.

well clinician would practice an answer. questions he won't be there to provide. medical care he'll be there to be a. medical resource and everything he does. or the AI does will be monitored and. approved by clinicians and but what it. does is it allows me to drive down the. cost of health care right because today. how do I scale okay I can tell you how a. lot of my competitors scale they High a. Doctor by the hour they Outsource the. clinician and that's their way that they. got into 50 states overnight so so many.

people are like why aren't you in 50. states when are you going to be in all. the states I don't think that's. healthare I think you're going back to. sick care I don't want an OB Jin who was. pulling babies on a Tuesday doing a. testosterone call on a Thursday with a. disease State and a skill set and a. knowledge base that she or he doesn't. have the knowledge to do do you know. what I'm you understand I'm not saying. that they're not a valid clinician at. what they do but you know it's it's like.

asking a Jiu-Jitsu got to teach you Muay. Thai I don't I I I would rather put my. faith in large language models that know. Jiu-Jitsu that know Muay Thai that know. MMA that know boxing that know all of. the history of those things and those. modalities that know every single. product that we offer at ways to well. that immediately can recall your. previous conversation what happened. these large language models so in the. demos he'll literally chart everything. that we discuss and put it in writing.

and load it into an EMR you got to. understand like when we when my. clinicians do a a 45 minute call they've. got to spend 15 minutes reviewing. everything refreshing their memory. trying to go back over everything you. talked about what were your issues now. they do the call for 45 now they've got. to annotate all that on the back. end Ai and large language models will do. that in real time. instantaneously I can only see six. patients per day per clinician in my. model because I'm trying to provide them.

with great care I'm trying to bring the. Peter AA the the the highlevel care. approach but make it affordable for the. average person and so it's been this. dance of like how do we do that and. large language models in AI fix all. these problems and we are on the cusp it. is right there it is so close I wanted. show it today but we're not there yet. and I need to get Kinks worked out but. I'm excited for what we're going to be. able to do in the future now when you.

say large language models what is what's. the engine driving these large language. models like what program are you guys. running so with with these avatars that. we're going to use is it's going to be. well today it can be backed by any large. language model so that's just the. technology so think of it as the arrow. uh but the Archer is the clinicians and. the data and the input and the. information that's where the magic.

happens I think there's going to be. hundreds if not thousands of avatars in. the marketplace within 12 months but. when you say large language models are. you using you can use chat use chat GPT. um there's four other ones that have. language capabilities doesn't Elon have. one now too yeah Elon has one um and. it's a race and there's a healthcare one. I can't remember the healthcare one that. has access to all these medical records. and data the newest chat GPT. outperformed clinicians at reading MRIs. the GPT for that some people are having.

with these AI models is that they have. biased information correct you know like. if you ask them questions about certain. things they will not answer you or they. will not you know mock Joe Biden or they. will not praise Donald Trump like those. kind of things where you're. getting political or ideological. influence how do you keep that from. happening I think you so the the article. that I alluded to earlier uh Google has.

no Moe this this article was basically. saying it doesn't matter what large. language model you have because it's. only going to act in accordance with the. data and if every L large language model. has the same accessibility to the same. data then how are you going to. differentiate your large language model. right and if everyone puts the same. restrictions and requirements on these. large language models how will it. differentiate where I'm going with this. is ours would be a closed infrastructure.

it wouldn't reach out to the internet to. get an answer any data that we put into. our large language model will be. approved and peer-reviewed by our team. of clinicians so today I have brilliant. people on my team I have Dr Grant a. board certified urologist I have Dustin. lovelin an orthopedic surgeon trained. under Jimmy Andrews the one of the. Godfathers of orthopedic surgery I have. uh Ian white uh PhD from the Anar stem. cell Institute 22 years at the bench.

right and I'm reaching out to thought. leaders in their field and in Academia. throughout the country and saying hey do. you want to help me do something cool do. you want to come change the game we're. here let's do it let's let's get. proactive and predictive and let's help. people drive their health Journey let's. give them this resource and so my this. this tool wouldn't be to talk about. politics or to crack jokes with your. friend our tool would be used to assess. large amounts of data which is what this.

thing is phenomenal at it's going to. like I said before tie into your. electronic medical records review your. last consult be able to read your blood. report because it's all analytics driven. everything is algorithm driven and so. almost all the reports and all of the. decision trees that Primary Care. clinicians and even a ways to well. clinici makes are essentially algorithms. and the more data we can give the large. language model the better decisions it.

can make and so I'm envisioning there's. a day where large language models. potentially you know take over a lot of. the heavy lifting that primary cares and. Internal Medicine doctors do today. wow but think about this it's very. promising that that gives me hope well. that's where I think there's an optim. the FDA doesn't lock you. up it's true but are you worried about. that about the FDA about someone yeah no.

I am I'm I I was very nervous on the. last call I don't want to pick a fight. with the federal government that's just. not a fight you know that I'm willing to. take on and that's partially why I got. out of the insurance model I I literally. I described it this way Joe it was one. of the worst years of my life man I lost. my brother I I built this company I had. 156 employees we were days away from. selling this thing the previous company. for over $30 million and I was the sole. owner and literally days before.

Insurance cut all of it out from under. us quit reimbursing everything got rid. of all the genetics testing all of the. any any compounded medication any of it. gone overnight I had to look 150 [ __ ]. people in the eye and say I came up. short right at Christmas time lay off. all these people I paid them out three. month Severance and that this was four. or five years ago um and prior to Way's. dwell and I just thought I'm not ever.

doing this again I can't put I can't. build a model that is in an ecosystem. that is controlled by greed and. Corruption and so my Hope was to build a. life raft with ways to well and revive. and I build it and we get all this. momentum patience are ecstatic you know. the average ways to well person refers. me one and a half patients I mean it's a. cash model these are people spending. their hard-earned money the way you know. this works is if it didn't work I'd be. [ __ ] fired they're not going to spend. their paycheck for something that.

doesn't work but look at all the people. you've referred me everyone for the most. part is ecstatic well I could talk about. it personally I mean you your your. treatments have helped me tremendously. there's been like that MCL tear that I. had on my left knee that just kept. [ __ ] with me that doesn't exist I. just did rounds on the bag dude yeah it. doesn't affect me at all anymore I mean. it stem cells whether it's mesenchimal. stem cells bpc157. peptides all these different modalities. all these different tools that you use.

they [ __ ] work yeah you're 100% work. I'm 56 years old I mean I'm supposed to. be like an aging falling apart person. most people that hit my age I mean I'm. not even middle-aged I'm past the Border. you know like middle a what am I going. to live to 112 I mean some people I. guess have done it but it's pretty rare. right but but and that's that's if if if. you start talking about driving. longevity and driving human lifespan you. start by driving Health span yes and in.

order to drive Health span we've got to. take a look under the hood and so this. is where I was going earlier with the. insurance stuff you've got to start. thinking of your insurance your health. insurance as managed care they are there. to manage chronic disease maximize. profits right okay what do I mean by. that think of it like car insurance your. car insurance is there when you the car. your car insurance is not there to. rotate the ches change the oil and. maintain the car Dana White had an.

amazing quote I will never go to a. [ __ ] Primary Care again in this. country and he even he articulated it. without even knowing when he's. articulating it and he's not even a. health care guy and Dana saw it and so. well it's based on his own personal. recovery the way his b when when Gary. Brea started working with him he was you. know really overweight pre-diabetic M. really [ __ ] up and now the guy looks. fantastic and what's crazy to me is like. the red light bed what it's done to his.

face it's crazy like his face looks 10. years younger it's nuts well a lot of. people don't understand like that and. and again huberman did a phenomenal job. I can't remember the exact podcast but. he Dove deep into the and this so when. when these primary cares or your doctor. out there says red light therapy's. [ __ ] they don't know what they're. talking about it's been around since. 1905 a guy won a Nobel Prize for using. it to treat a disease State I can't. remember all of it all butcher it so I.

won't even try but the gist of it is. there there was just a study done in. Orthopedics that red light therapy. helped reduce. osteoarthritis better than steroid. injections and the other treatment. options that they're using in the. marketplace in Orthopedics today and and. it's not Fufu pseudo science huberman. breaks it down and explains it through. using red light there's long wave and. shortwave right and the long wave. pierces through the epidermis into all. of the tissue in your body all the way.

to the cellular level all the way to. your cells spurring cellular turnover. and increasing ATP which is cellular. energy and so it gives your body The. energy needed to heal itself um it. reduces inflammation uh it helps with. neuropathic pain uh it helps with skin. tone skin complex ction it helps with. eyesight um but again these are all. things that typically aren't talked. about in traditional.

medicine well like I said I know it. works I I know it works because I'm a. part of it yeah and what's what's. fascinating is the ability to maintain. because everyone's worried about getting. old and getting decrepit but if you're. not seeing any decline as you age in. your ability to maintain your physique. your endurance your energy. levels we haven't done this before like. this hasn't been something on a large. scale that human beings have. participated in while they were going.

through this process of degeneration the. natural degeneration that most. people most people experience they get. old it's it's a it's such a multitude. you asked me too last time what what uh. you asked me about low testosterone and. what what could have caused it and I. look at that and I go it's everything. right like there's another when we get. back to red lighted light or or not red. light uh green and blue light can. increase testosterone levels right not. only can they will you get it from.

sunlight so what what you found is if. you stand in the sun 30 minutes a day it. drastically improves testosterone levels. again huberman goes into this too on a. different podcast much he breaks it down. I don't remember the exact specifics but. it's the gist of it is if you have low. testosterone okay are you inflamed what. is your diet are you working out are you. lifting weights are you getting sleep. are you getting sunlight uh are you. eating good protein sources these are.

all just basic questions that we could. ask and dive into to help patients. optimize their hormone levels but what. happens if if like for me I was up at. 4:00 a.m. to go get into the operating. room I stood in the operating room and. would come out and it'd be dark again I. didn't see the light of day for freaking. like 13 years like literally and so I. look back now and I'm like well of. course. because what happens is if you don't get. sunlight your body U upregulates. melatonin and melatonin reduces tesc.

function and drives down testosterone. and they believe it's because we evolved. like essentially being when we were Cav. dwellers we would in the winters in the. cold time of the year our our rhythms. would change with the environment and we. would go and be more indoors that wasn't. the best time to breed or procreate and. so in the spring in the summer when. there's more sunlight you're in the Sun. more and your melatonin level. deregulates your testosterone level. upregulates and all of a sudden you're. fertile and and same thing with women.

women are impacted by this as well um. women have testosterone too so if. they're not getting enough sunlight it. can kill their sex drive uh it can mess. up their hormone levels well women have. more testosterone than they have. estrogen I know a lot of people don't. realize that isn't that wild yeah it's. it is wild it's the primary sex hormone. for both sexes yeah it's it's uh it's. nuts so he he gets huberman gets into. all that Academia there's tons of. studies on this so and and all I think. the main reason it's not adopted more.

often. is they're just in the insurance model. right they they use the tool that's in. their tool belt and if that's not a tool. in my tool belt then I'm not going to. talk about it and I don't have time to. do it and uh and that's where I see. large language models and an evolving. Market allowing patients to get that. education on their own they don't have. to wait to talk to a doctor doctor right. I will have a team of academics right. there at your fingertips proactively. analyzing everything about you and I.

would tell you another I talked about. predictive proactive personalized all. that another one would be. private private you do not want this. data in the hands of insurance companies. listen to what Gary Breco is telling you. he worked for the big insurance. companies he worked to assess. your all cause mortality risk and the. risk profile to the insurance company. right and so if you if let's just say in.

a in a miracle world all the sudden uh. Blue Cross Blue Shield rolls out a large. language model to streamline your. experience and they want to tie into. your wearables the last person you want. digging through your underwear drawer is. the insurance company because they're. going to use it to limit your care to. limit what they cover and to kick you. off off a plan right they're going to. know when the chronic disease is coming. and they're going to charge you when. they know they can monetize you and then.

as soon as you reach a state where they. can't and that's the dangerous side of. these large language models and that's. the dangerous side of the tool and so a. a sword in the right hands is you know. one thing and a sword in the wrong hands. is a whole another thing. Jesus I wonder if they are trying to do. that I wonder if these insurance. companies are trying they're for sure. going to roll that out. they not already and when you Insurance. model and that's where I would you. maintain Carside of the system right and.

the insurance-based large language. models are going to ensure that you stay. on these treatments because that's where. they're profitable correct so there's. the insurance company and then we we. broke this down last time then there's. the pharmacy benefit manager Pharmacy. benefit managers are middleman between. the insurance companies and big Pharma. okay and they were put in place to. negotiate the the price of. pharmaceutical drugs for the average. American because so many drugs were. coming into the marketplace the. government couldn't get to and decipher.

what drugs make sense what drugs don't. make sense what should we cover what. should we not cover so they allowed. Pharmacy benefit managers to do that. within a decade the big insurance. companies went out and acquired Pharmacy. benefit managers within a decade from. that date the pharmacy benefit managers. began to negotiate rebates to themselves. not discounts to the patient okay so. yeah that's that's where I was trying to. go with this when I talked about 244. million in fraud um in the state of Ohio.

how where's the fraud and and the answer. is the margins are made in the mystery. the more confusing the insurance. companies can make it and the more cond. deluded they can make it the more. profits they can make they have only a. handful of levers they can pull to make. money so so let's go over that they can. raise your co-pay they can raise your. deductible they can raise your out-of. pocket expense that's one lever they can.

drive down the price of a drug that they. buy at a wholesale price point they can. mark up the coverage of your care for. your. employer okay and then they tier price. all the pharmacy benefit manager gives a. tier pricing that tier pricing is not. based on what drug is best for you it is. based on what drug is best for their. financials and so they prioritize drugs. in a tier pricing under the misnomer to. the American people that a tier one drug.

is the best drug and a tier four drug is. not as good right but the truth is a. tier four drug is not as profitable. because there's a lesser rebate and so. so let's say let's go back to the. insulin example the average price of. this insulin is $381 is what the Senate. uh finance committee found $381 on I. can't remember if it's santae I think. was their uh was their price out of that. the pharmaceutical company got less than.

$40 so that remaining $200 something. dollars stayed at the pharmacy benefit. manager okay Pharmacy benefit managers. are making billions upon billions of. dollars a year they decide what gets. covered what goes on your insurance plan. what your co-pay is what your deductible. is and they can move any lever at any. time so examples let's go back to gp1s. right the uh the weight loss diabetes. medications those are showing up on. insurance plans as tier four with a.

really high price tag where you look at. that and you go man wouldn't insurance. companies want to get rid of that. because it's cost them a lot no because. they're showing that the price of a glp1. is. $1,300 they never paid. $1,300 they paid a fraction of that but. then they go to the paat paent and they. say hey this is a tier four drug you. have a 50% co-pay on this drug. $500 okay so they made their money there.

they made their money off the rebate. from Big Pharma then they come the. patient pays more than they actually are. paying for the drug correct that is what. happens on most drugs and that is why I. built a compounding pharmacy and that's. but even if they don't let's say it's a. drug that you think is covered okay. maybe they maybe the the pharmacy. benefit manager got it wrong a drug. entered the market they didn't know it. was going to be a blockbuster they miss. miss miscalculated how this was going to.

play out they have lever after lever. they can pull okay high margin drugs. they've gone out and bought pharmacies. so they own mail order pharmacies and. they so what they'll do like when I. owned a pharmacy Blue Cross Blue Shield. they literally said they owed me over a. million dollars for one month of. shipping out drugs I'd already shipped. all the drugs to their patient I'd. already done everything they come in and. say yeah we're not going to pay you we. don't think you collected the co-pays or. deductibles okay we did here's all the.

records I can show you how soon can you. get an auditor out we want to cooperate. like we're a small company we need this. money oh it's three months before we can. get to you okay and then they begin to. make it so hard for you to survive in. their insurance model and then you'll be. sitting there and a couple months later. knock on the door hey man heard of tough. out there for these small pharmacies you. know we're looking to acquire pharmacies. just like you right they've gobbled up. the lifeblood of America they've put all.

these smalles out of business they now. own most of these big Juggernaut. pharmacies so even if CVS says we only. made $10 off that prescription what did. the pharmacy benefit manager make okay. or what is the pharmacy your mail order. pharmacy making lever after lever after. lever then the last part of it is my my. buddy who has Ms he his his MS treatment. I think is $144,000 a month we just met. I have. 260 something employees across both.

organizations we met with the insurance. company they're raising our rates. because they claim they paid $144,000 a. month for his drug right he had a huge. out- of-pocket burden on that drug but. was happy because he thought well hey. man it was going to be 14 and I only had. to pay. X and then they never paid 14 because. they negotiated a rebate on the back end. and then they turn around and they mark. up my insurance plan for all my. employees every year year after year it.

is a profit driven system not a patient. outcome driven system and so that's. that's all I'm trying to hammer home. with patients when you say why don't you. take insurance because insurance is the. Crux of the problem you cannot operate. in that ecosystem and provide quality. care you can't everything's controlled. everything's dictated it's it's it's. terrible and most people have no. understanding or awareness of this so.

there's no real push to fix this system. there's no real push to regulate and. analyze all these problems and what's. the downstream effect of these problems. yeah and I even hear clinicians talk a. lot of clinicians don't know like a lot. of clinicians don't even know about. Pharmacy benefit managers the the only. reason I know is because I've been in. every aspect of this business and I've. and then I would get into it and I go oh.

oh God that's why that was happening. okay now I get it now I get the magic. trick I understand what you're doing. here how you're moving and shifting. profits and monetizing disease States so. think about this if I can monetize your. diabetes why would I cure or prevent. your diabetes right and and I know if. I'm a bigwig at United or Sigma that. you're going to switch jobs in three. years and by the time that diabetes.

leads to metabolic disease and a Cascade. effect that puts you in a hospital that. cost me more money you're somebody. else's problem or if I can stall it long. enough you're the federal government's. problem and so every aspect of Health. Care is focused on that quarter on that. on on that time frame um another. terrible example of surgery and this is. honest to God I talked to my buddy who's. a president at an orthopedic company he. told me he was sitting down with a. surgery center about joints and there's.

a new joint that they have and it's more. expensive but the efficacy data of the. long-term benefits on it astronomically. outperform the other joint that this. hospital system was using he sat down. with the CEO of the hospital and he said. here's the data uh 5 years out here's. what we're seeing da d d d da the CEO. said I don't give a [ __ ] what happens 5. years out swear to God he's this is a. call I had yesterday he said he looked. me in the eye rum and he said if you.

told me that this joint will last at. least 90 days and it's cheaper that's. all I care about oh my God because all. of their data and records and. accountability are only on the first 90. days once you're out of that 90day and. you've done your your little review and. all that you're off again and you're no. longer a monetizable patient and so too. when we talk about primary cares and. what's happened the same thing with. pharmacies where they've been gobbled up. by insurance companies if they're in the.

insurance model is the same thing that. happened with primary care practices the. day of a primary care being independent. and a free thinker is over they're. employed by Hospital Systems major. conglomerates have gone out and bought. up the primary care practice why because. now they have the patient population. if I can get you at the primary care. level then I can control the referral of. where that Primary Care sends you as we.

profiteer off your disease State okay so. you go to a primary care let's say let's. just walk through the same example I. gave earlier a methyl folate test they. never run that test right there's. genetics the methyl folate test tells me. my genetics but there's. epigenetics the choices I make every day. impact which genes turn on and which. genes turn off if nobody ever has a. conversation with me in my 30s about my. hormone levels about getting into the.

sun about eating right and you push me. towards chronic disease because you. wrote me a prescription to treat a. symptom and now I go through this system. and I get. cancer that Primary Care is going to. refer me to an oncologist and that. oncologist is part of that same system. right and most people don't know this. 65% of an oncologist income comes from. chemo therapy from the markup they're.

making off your chemotherapy. 65% and I I attached that link Jamie too. uh where it it talks about this so all. I'm getting at is Russell bran said this. and he was spoton another guy who's not. a clinician but understood what's going. on here if we make things about profits. and quarter earnings in big business and. not patient outcomes don't be shocked. when we get phenomenal quarterly. earnings and piss poor patient.

outcomes 65% 65 and I attached the link. just so we'd have it so they have a. financial. incentive so this is an article where. they were trying to in uh the insurance. companies were trying to incentivize. them to use a generic in this instance. because this is one of those issues. where there's no rebate and no way for. the insurance company to monetize it but. it breaks down how much money these guys. 65% of an oncologist income comes from. that wow this is incredible um and and.

so I I say all this again because I. don't think that a clinician's to blame. I don't think that they're just. operating in the system that they're. given they're playing with the playing. field that's been set before them and. the rules of the game that have been set. before them but when patients say why. would I go to Peter Tia why would I go. to Gary Brea why would I go to way toell. why would I go to a cash pay Clinic you. will not get these treatment modalities.

and you will not have these. conversations and you will not do that. deep dive so in a dream world what I'm. envisioning as we build this. multi-disciplinary institute here in. Austin and we open these facilities. across the country is a lot of the care. will be virtual and will be managed from. the comfort of your own home driven by. large language models that are tying in. into your wearables and all those things. we talked about earlier but we first. have to establish a baseline what do I. mean by that if if budget was no.

constraint and you could afford $1,200 I. would say you come in you do a DEA you. do a V2 Max those two data sets alone. allow us to calculate your all cause. mortality risk I know how much visceral. fat you have I know how much. subcutaneous fat you have I know how. much lean muscle mass you have on your. left quad versus your right quad I know. your bone mineral density then we add in. a V2 Max test if you can be in the top. 25% of V2 Max you reduce all cause.

mortality by. 400% okay so now you combine that with a. dexa now you combine that with a gut. biome now you combine that with a gene. test where we know what genes you have. what are your genetics now we can help. guide you on how to prevent epigenetics. how to prevent and and use epigenetics. to prevent disease States from. chronically manifesting and we can truly. get proactive and predictive we can. truly prevent chronic disease when you. said living to be 106 or 112 whatever.

you said petera talks about this too the. difference between somebody dying at the. average human life expectancy and making. it to be a. centenarian the only difference is the. onset of chronic disease so. today can we stop or slow the. progression of chronic disease and buy. Brilliant Minds like David Sinclair like. Ian white you know the my my stem cell. buddy um who's our chief science officer.

can we buy them time to see if they can. unlock the code because when Ian breaks. it down and I definitely want to get. into stem cells I don't know how far in. we are um we're good keep. going because when Ian breaks down when. you start talk and this isn't me talking. like I'm I'm trying to learn like a. sponge from people who are way smarter. than me like I'm just I'm a simpleton. just trying to make it and figure it out. but when Ian breaks. down that we share a common his theory.

is this in the world of biology we share. a common ancestor with species that live. 400 years the Greenland shark lives 400. to 600 years with no cancer we have a. jellyfish that lives eternally in the. ocean it lives over 5,000 years it can. regenerate we have salamanders that can. regenerate limbs we have uh galpagos. tortoise that lives over 200 years we. share a common ancestor with those. species and what that means is within.

our genetic makeup within our. code we have the code to access those. traits how do we find those black boxes. and activate them right and so for me. when I talk about you know optimists are. usually successful pessimists are. usually right like I'm optimistic the. future's bright the opportunity is there. we can do this like we there's so much. opportunity but the first step is to get.

proactive to take yourself out of the. system to do the data because we can't. improve what we don't measure so if you. were to come in and establish that. Baseline that I was talking about. earlier we now have a full comprehensive. analysis of where you started the day. you started treatment the only test I. hadn't got to yet is an EEG so for me we. do uh Shane introduced me Shane Dorian. introduced me to wave Neuroscience super. cool company um they're using artificial. intelligence again it's a tool right can.

be used for good or bad the example of. where AI can be used for great things is. they use artificial intelligence to. analyze an EEG and to put it into a. report that a Layman you know. Neanderthal like me can understand so. they they scanned my brain I was able to. look at this report and tell how my my. neurons are firing where my neurons are. misfiring how my neurons are losing uh. bandwidth from the posterior of my brain. to the prefrontal cortex of my brain.

okay why is that important that that. woman we talked about earlier that may. have anxiety or. depression that's another tool to assess. that we know that it has an 80 over an. 80% success rate way more efficacious. than any SSRI which have been debunked. and proven to be [ __ ] too uh way. more than any of these anti-depressants. anti-anxiety meds and it's a permanent. fix we we we scan your brain waves and. then from there we can use a technology. called mert which is a magnet and the AI.

will give you a Precision approach to. rewiring your brain so it uses a magnet. to pull those firing neurons down the. correct path and so let me quantify it. and give you how an example of how it. works for me my brain so the human brain. has variances some brains are moving as. slow as 6.5 Herz you know top tier is 13. Herz um and that's how fast you can. analyze data and so if there was a Red. Dot and I flashed it up on a screen and.

I flash it once everyone will see that. as long as they're above 6.5 Herz if I. flash it twice really fast anyone below. 9.5 Hertz they won't be able to make. that signal connect to the prefrontal. cortex to assess that it flashed twice. does that make sense okay so the. posterior of my brain moves at 12.5 Herz. that's a really fast brain relative to. the average population but by the time. it makes it to the front of my brain I'm. moving at 9.5 Hertz why it's years of.

sleepless nights stress anxiety uh. epigenetics diet nutrition head trauma. uh these athletes with concussions so. they're using it mainly to treat. athletes with depression from. concussions and brain injuries and we. can't fix the anatomical issues of the. brain but we we can help those neurons. fire appropriately and maximize the. delivery of the bandwidth of the signal. and so through brain mapping we're able. to create a Precision plan where that.

magnet is literally tuned to the. frequency of my brain and is able to. drive that 12.5 Hertz all the way from. the posterior to the prefrontal cortex. have you done this yeah what did it do. for you uh I haven't haven't gone. through the training yet yeah we just. got the equipment at ways to well like. last week are you going to do it for. yourself oh yeah yeah oh yeah cuz I'm at. 9 I mean sorry 12.5 and at the. prefrontal I'm at 9.5 okay that's almost. a 20% Improvement in brain cognitive. function and so when I love the the idea.

of human optimization like I love. helping people but like refining people. who are already studs that's fun I I. immediately think what about they're. using it a lot with highlevel operators. they've already signed all these. government Department of Defense. contracts and they're using it for Navy. Seals uh for snipers for people who have. to make Split Second decisions under. High Press environments you want that. neuron firing all the way through I. imagine be good for comedy oh think I.

thought I immediately thought of Tony. hinchliff because sarcasm is a sign of a. of of a really uh powerful prefrontal. cortex so I was interested in like. somebody who's like an improv rooster. type oh he's the best at it yeah yeah. I'd love to find out what how his brain. we're going to have it at the clinic uh. it's actually going to arrive tomorrow. oo. it's sick I want to find out what's. going on in my brain it's it's amazing. so for me the other thing I found out is. I have a I don't want to call anomaly I. have a a rare type of brain um less than.

15% of brains have uh a prefrontal. cortex that can fire at the same speed. as the posterior is what they were. telling me so I could maximize I'm not. maximizing my brain's potential and then. I go to okay when we talk about the four. horsemen diabetes uh atherosclerosis is. uh uh cancer and then the last one's. neuro neuropathic decline uh Alzheimer's. and and neuro.

degeneration when we begin to use these. tools and allow AI to get ahead and get. proactive instead of reactive um then we. can start to assess your Baseline and. now we've monitored not just your. biomarkers not just your gut health not. just your genetics and your epigenetics. we're now also monitoring your brain. health in your neurowave health and we. can refine that with a Precision. approach and the traditional model um. uses a magnet as well but it's only. indicated if you let's go back to the.

insurance the only indication where you. can use this technology and have. insurance cover it is somebody who's. failed two or more ssris okay at that. point you've been taking drugs for over. a year so who knows what's going on with. and now you're going to take a sick. patient and try to optimize their brain. and without this AI without the AI. playing an assistant to it the max Hertz. that that magnet will go is 9.5 has. anyone done an analysis of the impact of.

neut Tropics on these you're going right. down the path okay um not that I'm aware. of but are you taking any um yeah I take. uh what is it called four sigmatic the. uh the mushroom neut Tropics but the. direction we're headed with this this is. another thing I wanted to talk about I'm. glad you said that um we've been talking. to Dell medical school and their. psychedelic Research Institute and uh a. former Rogan alumni uh Dr Rick damer um.

not Rick uh doblin no Rick dolin's. friend uh Dr Bruce damer sorry Jesus. Bruce um see that firing need to speed. it up um Dr Bruce firing for two hours. straight bro you going hard so we are um. we have a letter of intent with uh Bruce. damer and and we're in negotiations with. Dell Medical University to be part of. their psychedelic uh Research Institute. and what that would allow us to do is uh.

Bruce has done a spin-off of maps and. the premise is it's called minds and. it's using lowd Doos psychedelics to see. if we can optimize human brain. performance um he came on your podcast I. think like 10 years ago yeah a long time. ago he said y'all played pool and he. left that next morning and went and did. iasa. and solved some equation that he had. been working on for like a decade and. came out the other end of aasa with the. answer and so what pool have to do with. it he said y'all play pool and he was.

telling you the next day he was going to. leave to Peru to do iasa so I didn't. know if that would refresh your memory. on who he was oh no I remember him okay. yeah yeah super nice guy but so he's had. this vision of could we use psychedelics. to solve complicated equations and. puzzles and I know there's like a bunch. of mixed reviews on if this is true or. not so I don't want to like Frick using. LSD to uh come up with the theory of the. Helix uh Steve Jobs using LSD uh to come. up with some of his Visionary ideas and.

so there is a sense of creativity um. that comes with that but this gives us a. quantifiable measurable approach to see. did it change neuropathic. response right this this using the EEG. and using the neuro uh the. wave neurosciences technology gives us. just another tool in the tool belt. another assessment. tool that's very interesting it's all.

very well I know that neut Tropics do. have an effect they definitely have an. effect on me so I'm fast I would I would. really like to try the difference. between like trying something like Alpha. Brain Black Label and then doing that. study and see if it has an impact on. whether or not it's more efficient no. I'm the I'm in the same but and I also. am curious uh can we pause real quick so. I can take a leak yeah sure sure. sure so back to it stem cells all right. yeah yeah so um that's another so I I I.

we Dove deep into that last time I want. to dive even deeper uh to explain to the. listeners and to clinicians because so. many clinicians will say you cannot get. stem cells uh or stem cells are [ __ ]. or they don't work so let's break that. down again what we cannot do is clone or. manipulate the cells they have to be a. minimally manipulated tissue in the. United States um these cells are mnal.

signaling cells Dr Kaplan who discovered. these thought that they would. differentiate so he called them stem. cells but what he found is when you put. them in the human body they actually do. not differentiate okay so this is the. biggest confusion and that's this is. where I think a lot of orthopedic. surgeons and there there's a there's a. whole layer of why but one it undercuts. surgeries potentially um right uh it.

most certainly did with me yeah yeah my. my surgeon was recommending surgery he. was saying you are going to have to have. surgery this was over 10 years ago yeah. and so they don't so they're they're. saying okay if it doesn't differentiate. then it doesn't do anything right and. and so it's. because the the term that um David. Sinclair used heterochronic parabiosis. right when you take an old mouse and you. combine it you you merge its organ. system with a young Mouse the old mouse.

gets younger okay heterochronic. parabiosis happens in a mother when. she's pregnant Dr Ian white again my. chief science officer who has educated. me on all of this this isn't me talking. uh he he released a a uh study where he. talked about this is occurring in a in a. in a woman when she's pregnant with a. child and we can see it how do we see it. the glow that the mother has right her. heart increases its capacity in the. third trimester by 50% it is not just.

the mother supporting the baby it is the. baby and young uh genes and protein. codes supporting the mother and helping. optimize her health to create an. environment that is synergistic for both. the baby and the mother that allows that. baby to have an optimal environment okay. so when we take those cells right and an. orthopedic surgeons say you have to use. hsc's you do you have to use hsc's if.

you need them to. differentiate hsc's will differentiate. they'll migrate what is an HSC uh it's. this it's a different type of stem cell. that they're pulling out of the bone. marrow okay um and so but the problem. with that is to extrapolate that HSC. you're pulling it from like you you're. in your 50s you you have 50-some year. old hsc's right we know from the moment. of birth those hsc's viability begin to. decline rapidly and year after year.

after year I think it's like one in. 10,000 once you're over the age of 30. there you may be getting 10,000 hsc's. but only one of them is a viable H HSC. that'll actually do anything and so when. we look at what's happening with these. cellular treatment options that are. placental derived or um birth tissue. derived it's the same exact product that. they're using over in in Panama that. they're using in all these other. locations you're just not allowed to.

expand them in a Petri dish and so. there's an article that I uh listed on. the way to website because you asked me. last time is there a benefit to. expanding the cells and my answer was. the optimal dosage is the minimal dosage. required to elicit the desired response. with the minimal side effect profile. what does that mean does it work and did. I have side effects if it works and you. didn't have side effects then there is. no reason to add additional risk to a. treatment or to manipulate something and.

so there was a study where they put 200. million live Cells versus 20 million. live cells in a heart and both made. Improvement and the Improvement did not. differentiate did not it was it was. comparable so when they're doing these. treatments whether it's in Panama or. Tijana and they're they do these petri. dish uh well they extract they expand. they. multiply what is when when they have the. dosage what is it based.

on um well that that they're making an. assumption more is better that's where. I'm going with that yeah and. so and you're also you're also. historically like when an orthopedic. surgeon says it's [ __ ] or it doesn't. work it's because they're. misunderstanding the mechanism of action. okay they're they're assuming if an MSC. comes from an umbilical cord or from a. birth derived tissue it can't. differentiate and if it can't. differentiate it can't become something.

and if it can't become something then it. can't heal something because it's not. going to become a tendon and or a tendon. cell and heal that tendon you have to. take a step back and go to the the whole. uh the whole analogy of of the young rat. and the old rat right uh and and you. look at that and you say okay when we. put these young vibrant cells in a body.

it's not just the cells yes you're. getting mnal signaling cells which are. going to go to that site of injury and. Trigger your body's own cells to come. those cells transfer their mitochondria. into your cells and their job's done. they're out of your system in a few days. okay from that point forward the magic. happen happens with all the other. goodies that are included in that. treatment the extracellular vesicles the. exosomes the cyto the scaffolding the uh. RNA right and so the example I can give.

is with a facial treatment right we do a. skin pen and we treat you with cellular. treatment modalities and a cellular both. but regardless it will have RNA RNA is a. message a messenger code that allows. your cells to get a young healthy. message like like I said parabiosis when. the mother's pregnant the baby's also. improving her health it's not just her. improving the baby's Health those same. messages are in that tissue that we're.

putting in your body or on your skin and. what they do is think of it like a. construction site if you're going to. build a building you not only need all. the uh Essential Elements and uh. essential ingredients or products to. build that building but you also need. the blueprint. the RNA is the blueprint it's the. instructions and all the extracellular. vesicles and all these other items are. the goodies and the materials of life. that help with the healing process and.

so we're essentially attempting to. create a perfect environment for healing. where things have gone South is people. have over promised they've said it'll. cure all sorts of things it won't you. know now you've got orthopedists saying. they don't work and it's because of one. people have over promised to you know. they don't understand the mechanism of. action and they're I think they're kind. of thinking well they're not. differentiating so it wouldn't work does. that make sense yeah it does make sense. um but we've worked with dozens of NFL.

athletes most of them have not told. their team doctors um not because it's. banned in the NFL it's legal in the NFL. team doctors don't want them to use it. well because team and even then right um. I've talked to a guy recently about same. same situation yeah and so even then the. reason reason they don't want him to use. it is okay I'm an orthopedic. surgeon I am and when you know that. situation behind the scenes you're. always on the bubble the team doctor's. interviewing for his job all the time.

too right so if you're the team doctor. and you practice good old traditional. 20-year-old tried andrue orthopedic. surgery you're not putting anybody at. risk you're not taking anything Fringe. you're not doing anything outside the. norm where another academic guy could. question you right so it's play in it. safe right and the hypocritic oath is. first Do no harm which is the dumbest. thing I mean of course Do no harm like. the goal isn't to not [ __ ] it up the. goal is to make this person better like.

that oath makes no sense to me um and so. I i' I've asked his permission to talk. about this we can talk about Aaron Aaron. Rogers um I met Aaron prior to his. injury via his Bodywork guy Aaron. Alexander who I think you've met crazy. Fitness guy um and he's helped Aaron. with his uh preseason prep getting ready. for this season and when Aaron tore his. Achilles I reached out to Aaron. Alexander and I said I would I would. love to try and help Aaron um and see if.

we can help him with this stuff and. that's why uh when I was talking about. the heterochronic parabiosis stuff um he. had a great surgeon he had a great. surgery he took a multidisciplinary. approach to his healing it went above. and beyond just doing a surgery to the. point where he did cellular treatments. um those cellular treatments are for all. the reasons I discussed earlier creating. the perfect environment for optimal.

healing he used infrared and I don't. want to steal Aeron Thunder because he's. got a documentary coming out about it um. and I think he's been documenting this. entire process um but the fact even. separate from Aaron the truth of the. matter is I mean dozens of NFL athletes. um that have had phenomenal results with. this stuff I had one guy who was told he. was going to be out for eight weeks he. was back practicing in four weeks I said. did you tell did you tell the team. doctor and he was like [ __ ] no I didn't. tell him I didn't want to hear it I.

didn't I would never hear the end of it. and I just think a lot of it comes down. to Dogma. misunderstanding uh frustrations with. over marketing and people promising. people the world also that these doctors. and surgeons are a part of the same. system that you've already highlighted. they're not independ and completely. outside of it if they were they wouldn't. be hired by the biggest teams in the. world they want the most accredited the. most decorated doctors to perform on.

these incredible athletes that are. extremely valuable to these. organizations they're not going to. just risk it on some [ __ ] Witch. Doctor yep and but that's where I need. where I want people to understand this. isn't pseudo science either when we talk. about the cellular acellular treatment. options these are building blocks these. are essential ingredients that diminish. as we age right same thing we talked. about earlier as we get older we have.

less and less of these viable cells we. have less and less effective cells and. by giving your body all of these. essential building blocks plus the. instructions on how to build via the RNA. now the body is getting young signaling. cells fresh young vibrant signaling. cells so back to what I was saying. earlier about bone marrow doctors if you. talk to an orthopedic surgeon in this. country and you say I want stem cells. they'll say the only FDA approved stem. cell option is bone marrow aspirate.

you're right that's the only indicated. option that's the only option where you. can make a claim right if but there are. other options in America that work that. are efficacious now do they. differentiate no they don't and but. neither does does the stuff you're. getting in Panama but the future of stem. cells and and Dr White and I have talked. about this and this is another thing. we're going to be doing at the new. facility here in Austin is we're. building a state-of-the-art lab and we.

are going to do trials and we are going. to do the work at the bench because Dr. White is on the precipice of being able. to use hsc's the cells that do. differentiate but we will not pull them. from bone marrow we will take them from. the umbilical cord tissue the youngest. healthiest most vibrant cells. with all the extracellular vesicles and. goodies and if we can harness those. cells and use those cells they would be. able to differentiate. now the reason you would want to do that.

is down the road to be able to rebuild. uh cartilage or you know the critiques. that guys have like um Jamie could you. pull up there's a study um is that on. the table rebuilding cartilage in the. future yeah that is not what happens. today yeah no uh not that I know of um. but Dr White has some really fascinating. stuff he's done at the bench and he's. been that's why he and I were talking. about like let's that's the big one. that's the big one with people that have. knee injuries so there's an article can.

I pause you for one second yeah when you. were talking about this joint that is. far more durable what what kind of joint. were you talking about um the doctor. said I don't give a [ __ ] I I don't know. I don't know this was my buddy I don't. want to say yeah it was a knee joint but. I didn't want to say the company I. thought you so I cuz the current like my. mom just got a knee replacement the. current one is like you're good for 20. years and I'm like Jesus Christ I can't. imagine my mom at 95 having a new knee. surgery yeah you know which is really.

kind of it's a weird thing where you say. put something in my body that's. permanent but not really yeah it's not. really permanent well and that's where. I'm like you know can we delay can we. offset surgery um even with these glp 1s. you know there's a whole uh a whole deal. that came out I think in the orthopedic. Journal where they're talking about now. that people are taking gp1s and losing. all this weight um right now there's a. spike in Orthopedic surgeries because. one of the prerequisites is you have to.

be healthy for surgery well that one of. the biggest risk factors for knee issues. is being obese right right you've worn. that joint out carrying all that weight. around so they want to get the weight. off then do the surgery right right but. what's coming is there will be less of. those surgeries as we get the weight off. these people right the degenerative yes. you're going to lose a lot of that and. then I look at that and go in. combination therapy of using getting the. weight off optimizing their health red. light therapy there's all sorts of.

studies on red light therapy and. osteoarthritis um Jamie on the ways to. well link there's one for um it is. umbilical core derived tissues and uh. osteoarthritis I think out of China I I. sent that one to you um so there was a. study just came out 2022 it is literally. uh ultrasound guided let's see yeah. that's it so literally this is what you. and I have been talking about this when.

they say where's the study where's the. data here you go dude right here Ultra. ultrasound guided interarticular. injection of expanded umbilical cord. mnal stem cells in the knee for. osteoarthritis the safety the E efficacy. and the MRI data basically the synopsis. is it works like a huge percentage of. the people ended up coming out the other. end and even a year out are still having. phenomenal results so it says right here. statistically in in significant.

Improvement on MRI scans at 12 months in. cartilage loss so does that mean it's. regenerating cartilage I think it's. slowing cartilage loss okay right. osteophytes bone marrow lesions effusion. andov coves how do you say that. sinovitis how do you say that word I. don't know citis citis and significant. improvements in sub condal sclerosis and. so when you look at the mechanism of. action right I keep going back to the.

het heterochronic parabiosis right the. the average orthopedic surgeon they're. looking at it and saying these cells. don't differentiate they're not going to. produce anything they're not going to. regrow ATT tendon you're. misunderstanding how they work you're. misunderstanding the mechanism of action. it's providing the ingredients it's. providing the building blocks and it's. providing the RNA which is the. instruction here's an example that's. easy to show is again my skin like we. talked about we've treated I don't even.

know thousands of people um and when you. use these cellular treatments on skin it. improves skin elasticity it. reinvigorates the cells it improves. collagen production uh and it improves. fiber blasts and it does it through the. exact same method your you're getting. the message of a young healthy vibrant. cell all those little codes in the in. the cellular form of RNA are being. loaded into your cells and telling your. CS to act young again essentially and.

it's causing uh I don't want to call it. a reversing in aging but it's definitely. slowing aging and improving cellular. health and then you combine that with. things like red light therapy and all. these different treatment modalities. that are being ignored uh and they are. backed by science like I mean I can see. you I didn't tag him on the way to. website but I could send Jamie dozens of. Articles or you could listen to hubman. where he breaks it down it's wild [ __ ]. man it's really interesting the.

resistance to it that that's what's. really interesting by people that are. ignorant it's interesting that they. would want to resist despite all the. anecdotal evidence and now actual. scientific studies well and even with. Aaron uh Aaron Rogers was he just got. interviewed on something ESPN or one of. them two days ago he's such a nice guy. like he's such a good dude uh literally. they were saying the new conspiracy. theory is you didn't really tear your. Achilles or it was a partial tear and. Aaron was so gracious about it and said.

well hey I'm glad that Americans are now. questioning things instead of just. basically like a few years ago they. weren't and uh and they're saying this. just because he's recovered so quickly. yeah yeah and it's it's a multitude of. things it's Aaron is a phenomenal. athlete Aaron primed body Aaron had a. phenomenal surgeon uh they did use an. arthrex technique but and a lot of. people are saying it was a. state-of-the-art the arthrex technique. was being used a decade ago when I was. in the operating room so it is a.

procedure that's been around now I do. know one of the unique things they did. with Aaron was or not unique but one of. the newer things they did was an. internal brace which gives you a little. bit more protection in the early phases. of the of the healing process but. Aaron's recovery Aaron getting approved. by the clinicians to get on the field. faster all of those things are because. Aaron thought outside the box and Aaron. is doing all of these extra things that. you know I think most traditional. medicine is ignoring um and Aaron was.

openminded enough to do that it's not. ways to well I mean that's you're not. taking credit for it but that's how he. found out about all these things yeah. well I think he's Aaron Aaron got Aaron. Alexander was big into red light therapy. talked to Aaron about that hyper barar. it's just methodically. using the technology that's out there. and building upon the great work that. that surgeon already did right I don't. want to take credit away from any of. those guys or from Aaron and his hard. work and his dedication that he put this.

the technique yeah so there's the rip. and the Achilles and then they suture it. bring it all. together it is amazing how they do it. now in comparison the way they used to. do. it yeah and I and I have even. uh I lost it there no it's okay we get. it um but Aaron was telling me Aaron. Alexander not Aaron Rogers was telling. me that. um the quinal team was looking at his.

Achilles and were very impressed with. how much blood flow and how healthy the. Achilles already was and so you know I. mean that's a that's a catastrophic. injury and his recovery time is amazing. and it's because of all the things been. like 11 weeks I but it's crazy yeah um. but I mean again he's worked his ass off. and he's done all the right things and. he's got a documentary that's going to. show the world all the things that he. did and how hard he worked to get back.

for that team um so I just think it's. really really cool stuff I'm not taking. credit for his healing I'm I'm thankful. that we got to play a small part but I. just think the main gist of that message. is there are are other alternative. treatment options and I think a lot of. times with iic surgeons view it as we're. trying to say not to have surgery there. are times where you definitely need. surgery and my message is when you have. surgery why would you not want to put.

your body in an environment that is. conducive to Healing why would you not. want to optimize that whether it's. through cellular treatments acellular. treatments peptides which you know again. we were limited with what we could treat. Aaron with because he's an NFL athlete. so we weren't allowed to do things that. we would do if somebody you know if if. you're just the average Joe and you tear. your ACL doing jiu-jitsu man I would. tell you we should absolutely take a a.

throwing everything at the kitchen sink. at you to heal like why would you not. you know whether that's igf whether. that's uh testosterone optimization red. light therapy hyper baric uh all of. those things are going to contribute to. the healing process yes well well listen. man we covered a lot there's going to be. a bunch of people going over this with. [ __ ] notes and trying to remember. everything but I think what you're doing. is very important and I think the. message I'm very happy that we can get. that message out there because there's a.

lot of people and including me that. didn't really understand how difficult. the situation truly was until it's laid. out in a comprehensive Manner and you. know this is the reason why you're. getting bad information from your. primary physician this is a reason why. you're getting bad information from. Orthopedic Sur. it's a complicated [ __ ] up convoluted. system that is compromised by money yep. it is but the message too is there's. hope there's hope and there's so much.

amazing things coming the future's. bright we ran out of time we didn't even. get into crisper and all the things that. are coming in the future um but I'm. hoping to be on The Cutting Edge of that. so the last thing I'll say is if you're. a PhD if you're in Academia if you're. interested in these things if you want. to make a differ in the world we're. hiring we're hiring pharmacists we're. hiring uh pharmacy techs I mean we're. hiring across the board uh nurse. practitioners uh if you're any any of it.

any and all of it and also to anyone. who's part of that AI world and Tech. World um I've been bugging Lex to try. and hook me up with some of his contacts. but it hasn't manifested yet so we're. looking for all those positions if. you're sick of being part of a broken. system beautiful all right brother. appreciate thanks for thanks for being. here bye. [Music]. [Applause].

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