Joe Rogan Experience #2069 - Dr. Shawn Baker

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day we good and we're up awesome what's. up Sean good to see you good to be back. Joe thanks you're still alive you've. been eating nothing but meat and you're. still alive I am still alive [ __ ]. doubters be gone yeah yeah Hey Joe. before we get started I just want to say. thank you for one for the stem cell. stuff but also for you know just just. having the conversation that other.

people are not willing to have and you. know we've I se where they Tred to. cancel you and all the BS and and you. know you didn't have to do that but you. you know let other people have. discussions so we're not being censored. so just in case other people I'm sure. you've been told that before well thank. you I appreciate that it's a it's a. weird time man it's first of all it's a. weird time that a guy like me has a show. which is bizarre that this kind of you. know that I'm a source of information in. some sort of strange way because that's. certainly not what I set out to do just. along the line I you know I'm curious I.

wanted to talk to people you know. including you and uh this diet and you. know I tell people I uh I'm not strict. with the my carnivore diet like Saturday. night I had sushi but I'll tell you I. felt like [ __ ]. afterwards I ate a ton of it I ate so. much I'm a glutton but uh all that Rice. I was like oh it just makes me realize. like how much better I feel when I only. eat carnivore when I when I just eat. mostly meet I feel so much better I mean.

uh maybe it's anecdotal maybe it's just. me and you maybe and many other people. that do it but there's something to it. but you're an extreme example because. you have been doing it now for how many. years so I'm starting my eighth year so. just just uh eth year yeah so when I. came to see you last time it was almost. it was six years ago so I I'd been just. finished seven years now so yeah it's. been a while and people should know that. you're you're actually a doctor you're.

an orthopedic surgeon and you didn't. didn't at one point in time they took. your license away because you were. providing medical information but you. got it back yeah it was kind of an. interesting thing so when I was I was. practicing medicine busy orthopedic. surgeon you know plugging away doing a. thing and then I started realizing hey I. can have people avoid surgery by. changing their diet their pain went away. I was like you don't need surgery well. that is not what hospitals want you to. do they want you to you know keep the. keep the the engines turning so to speak. and so I you know said hey look I want.

to practice some lifestyle stuff and. that ended up you know leading to a long. battle with myself in the hospital the. hospital basically suspended my. privileges and went to the state the. state said hey you can fight this um you. know in in our in our sort of State. Medical Board situation or you can get. independently evaluated and I said well. let me just get independently evaluated. because I don't I don't I don't see I. the hospital and so that was done it was. like right at the time when I saw you a. couple days before and they came back. and said to there's nothing wrong with.

you go back to work and so I got that I. got that and then I had to you know. reapply to the board reapplied for a. license they granted my license and I've. renewed it three times since then so I'm. a licensed medical you know licensed. doctor you know uh but I just you know. right now I'm not actually actively. practicing because I got frustrated with. the medical system I think our Health. Care system has some serious serious. problems you know some serious conflicts. of interest some serious I think the the. incentives for providing what I think is. appropriate healthc care is is. misaligned and so you know over the last.

few years so we set up a company it's. called Rivero and we we're licensed in. all 50 states we have Physicians all. across the country and we're basically. set up to provide what I call actual. healthc care root cause medicine get. people off the medications actually you. know try and fix their their disease and. not dism medicate everybody because we. have such a s system where everybody's. just like you know you go to the doctor. you know here's your diagnosis here's. your drugs keep stay on the rest of your. life which I think is the wrong the. wrong course yeah I couldn't agree more.

what what's the name of the company so. the company's called rivo re o and so we. raise a bunch of money from from. crowdfunding and also a bunch of venture. capitalist and so uh we've been we've. been basically building that we've got. thousands of people that are basically. on the waiting list we launched in a. couple weeks and so uh you know so like. I said it's going to be something that I. think will provide Healthcare as it. should be you know instead of like I. said instead of the just the symptom. management putting Band-Aids on stuff. actually getting people healthy cuz I. think a lot of diseases are are.

reversible and we've seen that all the. time you know we see that pretty. frequently well that's one of the most. fascinating things about this carnivore. diet is how many albeit anecdotal. stories you have of people that had all. these different conditions chronic pain. rheumatoid arthritis chronic fatigue all. these different issues skin issues. eczema all these different things that. they were treating with medication it. wasn't working they were experiencing. side effects.

they start eliminating everything from. their diet except for meat and all of a. sudden these problems go away I mean. there's too many of those stories for it. to be. ignored yeah it's it's I've been. astounded by the number of number of you. know just crazy crazy things that have. happened and again it's not you know. it's not that you know that is the the. most profound rigorous type of type of. science that you can do but it's you. can't ignore it at this point there are. literally probably hundreds of thousands.

of people not tried I go all I've been. all over the world now talking about. this and I get people from Germany and. Greece and you know China and Japan and. Africa that have all done this and they. say the same thing look I was sick and. now I'm not sick anymore and so whether. or not that is you know enough evidence. to say this is you know a a good. treatment you know I can't say that but. you can't deny it's happening and I'm. I've been trying to get research done in. fact there was a study done out of. Harvard University two years ago I don't. know if you saw that so uh there's a guy. named David lwig who is a senior author.

and David I've talked to him he is the. most ethical you know just like he does. not want any money from industry he. refuses to take anything he's like I. want to make sure I do pure science and. they did a study and they looked at. 2,000 people on a carnivore diet and. basically what they saw was like 95% of. the people significant Improvement. across the board now uh the thing was. interesting to me is the diabetics we. had like 225 diabetics in that. population 92% of them came off all. their insulin these are all type twos. you know so that's that's you know 100%. came off all these other injectable.

drugs the gp1 receptor Agonist which. we've heard so much about lately you. know the oics and semaglutide right came. off uh something called a pcsk9. inhibitor no sorry the sglt2 Inhibitors. uh 84% came off their meformin so it's. just like this is clearly a uh at least. at the very least a therapeutic tool and. that's how I push this I don't tell like. you know I wrote a book on this I didn't. say humans are carnivores I said humans. are opportunistic omnivores if we were. if we were living in the middle ages and.

we came across we're out hunting. mammoths and all of a sudden you know. the ice ages rather and we came across a. tree full of tree full of Twinkies I. mean we [ __ ] I'm GNA eat that you we try. right we'd eat it right because you know. we would but I mean it's and you know. there's people there's obviously people. that eat plants that aren't dead and are. doing okay so we're omnivores but from a. disease you know mitigation standpoint I. mean a the a therapeutic carnivore diet. is tremendously effective I mean it's. one of the more effective things I've. seen across the board and so at the the. very least you know you'd say let's.

explore that aspect of it because you. know like I said there's people that are. suffering we've got so many people I. know we we may talk about vegan. carnivore all the you know everything in. between but I think at the end of the. day everybody's eating processed garbage. we're we're just eating [ __ ] I mean. and and that is really one of the. problems in in the one thing and you. said this Joe when you eat this meat. you're like I don't want that other. [ __ ] CU you're actually satiated and. this is a thing that's I think. problematic because if you look at inter. there was a study that just came out now.

looking at um the financial incentive. for Ultra processed food why do we have. this stuff so you look at the big uh. asset management groups you know you've. got black rock you got Vanguard you've. got State Street uh and capital and I. can't remember the full names on these. but but those guys collectively own huge. portions of nestle P PepsiCo all these. other processed food companies and they. also have they also have significant. shares in Pharmaceutical manufacturer so.

you basically you sicken the population. by feeding them garbage and then you. just you you profit on their on their. disease and I think that's what's going. on and I think it's really unfortunate. you know and I think you know some. people make an argument you know is it. is a net is there a net benefit from. feeding more people versus how many. people are getting sick and I think. there's a point where you know the line. goes you know if if if every most people. are getting sick from this and only a. few people are benefiting then you've. you've kind of crossed that line of you. know does it does it is it for the great. or good and becomes into the realm of.

almost evil in my in my mind well I. think it started out with just trying to. make money I mean that's that's what. started out with the processed foods and. I think then they realize well now. you're selling more medication to these. people so you make more money on top of. that more money I don't even think it's. a conspiracy I think it's just. opportunity I think they just look at. profits and that's what these. corporations are established for that. their bottom line is they're supposed to. make as much money as they can for their. shareholders.

that's their responsibility their. responsibility is to have like a cute. cartoon guy that sells you sugar cereal. because you know when I was a kid that's. what I wanted I want cocoa Pops I wanted. Captain Crunch all that stuff yeah I. mean there's a reason why all that. garbage is like it's so addictive it's. so delicious you know and it's clearly. targeted for young people clearly yeah I. mean that paper that I that I talked. about and I think you know it's in that. list that give Jamie but um it basically.

says this is the whole thing they they. make tremendous short-term profits for. their for their shareholders and that's. why they do it so yeah it's clearly. financially driven you can't blame them. I mean this is what any business wants. to do wants to be successful it's about. making money like everything is really. yeah that's what they do I think the. cutting the [ __ ] out is the biggest. factor in this whole carnivore diet. thing I really do I mean I I I. definitely think there's there's. obviously meat itself. regardless of the [ __ ] in the.

propaganda meat is the most. nutrient-dense food you can eat all this. crap where they say that meat causes. cancer if meat caused cancer most people. would have cancer 95 plus perc of the. population on Earth eats meat and all. this propaganda you hear about you know. you're going to get cancer you diseases. are going to go all these different. things it does not seem to be the case. in people that just eat meat when you're. looking at my experience I have not in. the again anecdotal I've never met.

anybody that went on this diet that. didn't have a positive result everybody. that I know that goes on this diet now. clearly there's genetic differences some. people have definitely there's people. that have that um lone star tick issue. where a buddy of mine has that he he got. bit by a tick and he developed an. allergy to red meat it's a real pain the. ass for him and it went away he he had. it for a year and it went away and it. started to come back again um that but.

that's rare for most people red meat is. a very nutrient-dense. food yeah that's that's that's. absolutely clear I mean and and your. point is you know if you get rid of the. garbage you're going to have you're. going to have a benefit whatever that. you go on I think that's clear and you. know when we talk about because you. mentioned you're not totally strict I am. you know fairly strict but I'm not. religious about it I don't sit there. like you know for instance my my son's. birthday was you know a couple days ago. thanks I had some I had a piece of.

pumpkin pie man so I you know I had had. that in 10 years but I'm like you know. no big deal I didn't die but it's not. like I said my diet literally is. probably 98% red meat I mean I just I. just eat steaks every day you know it's. kind of crazy you know well the videos. are hilarious of you eating steaks. listening to vegan propaganda just you. have a big cutting board and a giant. Cleaver and you're slicing off pieces of. TR tip while you're watching vegan. propaganda and smiling yeah it's pretty. fun to do that stuff and I I definitely.

uh you know like I said if there's. anybody that has you know like I said if. I'm wrong I mean it'll be clear that. I've been eating meat like significantly. for for for many many years I put a lot. of that on on video but you know one of. the interesting thing is you know. because the backlash you often hear is. what about cholesterol because I think. that is a really important thing I. really wanted to talk about that yeah. awesome cuz there's some you know I. think you saw that thing about the Oreo. cookies did you see that yes I did yeah. let's talk about that so anyway there's. a so there's a little backstory on this. and last time I I mentioned a guy named. Dave Felman and he was he was a guy that.

you know he's an engineer pretty smart. guy and he like goes on a like a a low. carb you know higher fat diet and his. chest he feels great he's like oh my God. Everything feels great but his. cholesterol shoots through the roof and. he's like oh my God I'm going to die. right so he's freaked out about this. stuff and he starts looking into it very. mechanistically and spending years and. years and years studying this stuff and. finally puts together this sort of. theory and it's still Theory but it's. it's there showing that there's a lot of. evidence showing that it's probably. likely true called the lean mass hyper. responder and there's something called a. lipid energy model and so what this Oreo.

cookie thing was is another guy another. researcher he's a PhD from Oxford he's. getting he's also finishing his medical. degree at Harvard and his name is Nick. norwitz and he basically said look this. lipid energy model works like this when. you cut carbs low and you get lean right. your body says hey there's not a lot of. energy in my cells my liver glycogen. isn't full my muscles aren't full of. energy so I need to get energy there. somehow and so what happens is is the. liver starts sending fat out into the.

bloodstream like to to so you have. energy to work right and so what what. he's showing is that if I just add Oreo. cookies or some other energy dened maybe. junk food in there um the body will say. hey I've got plenty of energy now so the. liver shuts down it doesn't traffic the. cholesterol anymore or the triglycerides. and in the cholesterol so that sort of. validates what's going on here and so. but the question is is it bad if my. cholesterol is really high but I'm fit.

I'm lean my you know I don't have. diabetes I don't have pre-diabetes I. don't have insulin resistance I don't. have high blood pressure you know I'm. otherwise metabolically healthy because. you see these people so you see they're. lean athletes you know they go on a diet. like a carn over diet or even a. ketogenic diet and they're like I feel. great it's the best I've felt in years. but my cholesterol is through the roof. so I got to stop and so that's the real. question so on December 8th there's. going to be a landmark study that's. going to be pre presented by a guy named. Matt budoff who's a who's a uh. cardiologist out of UCLA I think he's.

one of the U he's attached to UCLA. somewhere and basically what they did. was they took 100 people all who have. sky high cholesterol we're talking like. total cholesterol 500 600 700 milligrams. per Des it's enough to give your your. doctor a heart attack you know you walk. in there with your cholesterol it's like. 600 what the hell so he's got all these. patients that're that they are all. otherwise metabolically healthy though. none of them are diabetics none of them. have blood blood pressures they're. relatively lean and what they did was. they did highlevel CT Ang geography.

these people looking really detailed at. how much plaques in their blood vessel. and they're all older guys they're like. average age like our age like mid-50s. like mid late 50s right so this is where. you'd expect to start seeing heart. disease and when they did that. scan almost none of them had any level. of significant you know vascular disease. they were like clean clean arteries and. so so what and what they're doing is. they're running them for a year and then. they're going to repeat the study right. say in one year has anything occurred.

now the criticism of that will be that. oh it takes 20 years to do that but Matt. budoff is like the world leading expert. on how fast vasular disease develops. right so he's a guy that designed the. study he he he knows this stuff so he. said year will show us for sure if vasc. disase is going to occur so what they're. doing on the eth is they're showing the. preliminary data that shows all these. people have almost no heart disease and. they compare it to something called the. M Miami Heart uh data set which is like. the the like the the perfect data set.

for if you want to compare what's going. on with vascular disease and so in. February they'll finish up uh the. collection of data and then we'll get to. see what happens after a year now I. suspect what will happen is they'll show. no progression little progression or. even reversal which would be shocking. because all these people are saying. cholesterol causes heart disease because. if you listen you know listen to guys. like because I know you had Peter on. here Peter t on here and he says look. it's just a matter of how much. cholesterol over how much time if it's. high for a long period of time you're. going to get heart disease but if this.

turns out to be what what what I think. it's going to show which which it likely. will show then that throws a monkey. wrench in that whole whole uh Theory. because it's like wait a minute maybe. it's a dependent variable maybe if. you're not fat you know out of shape. have high blood pressure and diabetes. that that LDL cholesterol being high is. not as much of a problem as we thought. it was which is I mean that's really I. mean that's Paradigm shifting quite. honestly where did the theory of LDL. cholesterol being bad for you come from.

well I mean that goes back into the I. mean when they started looking at. cholesterol this is in rabbits way back. in like the 1920s or something like that. they started feeding rabbits high. cholesterol diets and the rabbits got. heart disease well rabbits don't really. eat High Cher they don't they don't. really it's an unnatural diet for them. but they they started looking at you. know the associational Daya started out. back in the 50s when Eisenhower had his. heart attack and everybody's freaking. out because you know we we saw a rise in. in heart disease you know 1940s 1950s. and it's been you know has been a number. one killer in Western population since.

then and so guy named anel Keys was one. of one of the ones that sorted promoting. that theory they did you know. associational studies where they say. well look at these countries they eat a. lot of saturated fat and they have a. high cholesterol and they die more more. commonly out of heart. disease um and so that that basically. data has been done over and over again I. mean they've done uh mandalian. randomization studies which there's some. problems with those those types of. things they've done um you know studies. where they can show that you know we can.

lowerer cholesterol and cardiovascular. disease decreases so we know that you. know that's the whole premise behind. statin drugs some people think it's a. pleomorphic effect or it's like a side. effect like maybe it's decreasing the. inflammation and by decreasing the. inflammation you're actually improving. heart disease but there's been I mean. there I mean there's a ton of evidence. that would point to yes that is what's. going on now what I would say is again. you're looking at a general population. and and the other thing is all cause. mortality so clearly there's a lot of. evidence that points to like you like.

normally they like your total. cholesterol below like 190 LDL below 100. something like that but if we look at. like population studies and all cause. mortality cancer uh heart disease uh. dementia infectious disease so on and so. forth the people with higher cholesterol. actually live longer they they're the. ones who live longer and so the question. is you know maybe I won't get a heart. attack but I'm going to get cancer. instead because my cholesterol is too. low perhaps now the critics of that will. say it's reverse causality it's like the. only reason your cholesterol was low was.

because you had cancer right and cancer. is making your your cholesterol go down. because cholesterol LDL cholesterol and. some of the other lipoproteins actually. have a function they participate in our. immune response so it's there for a. reason it's not just for the hell of it. right we we have our reason for this. stuff um and so that you know but. there's a I mean there's a a plethora of. studies on this stuff some of it's been. paid for by the pharmaceutical. Industries which you of course there's a. little bit of conflict of interest in in. some of that you know I would imagine um. but. again if you talk to 99% of the.

cardiologist they'll they'll be on board. with this but like I said this sort of. population which we've never studied we. have no data on these people you know. it's like like like if you go on a. carnivore diet and Joe I I know you've. gotten lean you feel good probably your. blood pressure is good probably your you. know your U your glucose is good is that. mean it's dangerous for you and and the. answer is we don't know yet but this. this study will shed a ton of light on. this and so this is coming out like I. said the preliminary dat data December. 8th when Bud off presents to the to the.

big conference and then and then when. they finish the collecting the all the. full data in February they'll probably. publish that probably spring summer. something like that are you aware of any. of the results I'm aware of the. preliminary data right and and they're I. talked to the researchers and they're. like man we don't they know the results. but they don't want to share it because. they don't they don't want the cat. getting out of the bag early but it's. going to we're going to get it on. December 8th and basically it's gonna. what I what I think I'm I'm 90% certain. what it's going to show is people with. super high cholesterol that are.

otherwise super lean and healthy. compared to the average population have. less risk for cardiovas disease based on. this data that's what I think is going. to happen now we'll know for sure on. December 8th when Bud off presents. there's also an issue with dietary. cholesterol and what dietary cholesterol. how it shows up in the body people have. this assumption that when you consume. dietary cholesterol it. raises cholesterol that you can measure. in the blood yeah that's that's been. shown to be completely. uh in fact 2015 USDA said no cholesterol.

does not cause elevated cholesterol in. the blood that's been shown not because. now fascinating which is fascinating but. they'll say what they will say is. saturated fat which often runs with. cholesterol because the only reason only. place you get cholesterol is in animal. products and very often you'll get. saturated fat in animal products and so. they'll say but it's it's not the. cholesterol but it's actually the. saturated fat we know that saturated fat. was demonized by the sugar. industry yeah in that [ __ ] study. that they put put out in the 1960s where. they paid these guys the equivalent of.

$50,000 today to lie yeah I mean that's. that that's clearly that clearly. happened that was Harvard University. where they basically took a bunch of. money to basically demonize fat and and. protect sugar and I think that's been. going on for which is wild the sugar. industry bribed those doctors and that. information has been the basis that. people have been making recommendations. on forever on a fraudulent study and. still to this day doctors will cite that. not knowing it and when you tell tell. them about it they're like what are you. talking about and then you'll show pull.

it up on Google and they just go huh. what is this like there's so many. doctors that aren't aware that the. demonization of saturated fact was. specifically caused by these papers by. these doctors that were bribed yeah it's. crazy I mean it it is crazy to think uh. how much you know I you know you think. that science would be a quest to find. the truth or or to explain the. observations around us but a lot of of. times you know Science Now is marketing.

I mean it really is I mean it's paid for. companies are going to benefit from this. you you think about a lot of these. academic institutions a lot of their. funding comes through industry and and. they don't get funding if they don't get. the results that they're they're they're. getting paid for it's even more. Insidious than that because the people. that are involved in the FDA eventually. go and work for these corporations which. is so wild when you see that happen and. you go oh my God there's a clear. revolving door it's not like shell. corporations or some secret hidden money.

overseas no it's like right in front of. your face these people work for the. government they make these laws and they. make these recommendations and then they. go on to get these incredible jobs where. they get paid lucrative amounts of money. yeah golden parachutes right it's crazy. it's that that's legal it's not only I. mean as you probably know like the FDA I. mean corporate capture I mean the FD for. new drug for new drug uh approvals it's. like 65 % of that budget comes from the. pharmaceutical industry itself so.

they're like they're paying to regulate. themselves and so it's like wild so it's. kind of crazy and USDA is not any. different you know because we talk about. our food stuff I mean these guys that go. on to become you know exec you know uh. big people in the USDA often do the same. thing they'll go on these food companies. and have they'll have the same sort of. situation and so dirty business yeah. here's I'll tell you here's an. interesting thing so I've been trying so. like Harvard recently came out with a. study nonsense epidemiology that red. meat is contributing to diabetes. increase your risk for diabetes right.

yeah and this is a study done by Harvard. W Walter Willet is has been the chair. he's been vegetarian he's been he's been. conflicted for years but basically what. they did was they said well we're going. to count lasagna as red meat we're going. to count sandwiches as red meat and the. people that eat red meat are they're. overweight they're smokers we didn't. really correct for that so it's but the. headline is red meat causes diabetes. meanwhile you got a study that you know. that Harvard did few years ago with. David L says look these people are. eating nothing but red meat and their. diabetes is going away how can those two. things coexist well what I'm trying to.

do is get an Interventional study done. so I you know it's kind of interesting. CU this is how far what I think the the. problem is so I went to something called. the ncba this is the national cat's beef. associate this is supposed to represent. all the cattle producers in the United. States right and there's something. called the be beef check off you. remember that beef it's what's for. dinner you remember that thing it was. like Robert Mitchum back in '92 and then. I think uh Sam OT they got great voices. right you beef for TW for dinner you. know that that type of thing this is. what they're supposed to do so they.

collect that's part of the beef check. off like every time a cow moves in the. United States like if you're a cattle. ranch and you sell your cow you got to. pay a dollar if it goes to you know if. it goes to Sol facil it's got to pay a. dollar if it goes to a feed yard it's. got got to pay a dollar so this is so. every year and there's like roughly we. Slaughter about 34 million head of. cattle every year in the United States. which you know interestingly India SL. Slaughters more cattle than we do which. I didn't know that but it's they do yeah. they have they slaughter 38 million. headed cattle every year and you think. about India it's like they're all. vegetarian and eating cows they export.

most of that but they have they have the. biggest uh her of cattle in the world in. India there's 300 million head of cattle. in India that's insane I thought so. United stes thought they're sacred well. they are in some in some parts of India. right but they they actually Slaughter. more cattle in in India than we do in. the United States um and they export. most a lot of it there's something like. Southern India they still eat they'll. eat a little bit of beef in fact there's. a lot of carnivores in India right now. it's kind of crazy I get I did. conferences in India and it's just like. wow it's kind of a growing movement down.

there but back to the point so so we've. got this beef check off system so every. C answer is they pay a buck right and. and then so at the end of the year they. collect 3040 $50 million a year it's. supposed to be to promote beef like beef. it's what for din to do research and all. that stuff and so I you know the US. Cattleman's Association which is that. represents the cattle producers but the. ncba represents cargo and Tyson and the. packing things and so there's a little. conflict between between that um but. they have all the money and I and I went.

to those guys to the beef check off and. I said hey look we want to spend a. little bit of money to do a study on. beef versus diabetes because we know the. results are going to be the people are. going to they're going to go on an all. meat diet or a close to all meat diet. and their diabetes is going to go away. it's it's simple and it takes all the. confusion out because whenever you do. you know you hear all these dietary. studies it's like oh but he was eating. hamburgers and french fries and there's. all this conf founder so it's like you. can't really test it I'm like the. perfect way to test if meat is healthy. or not is to just put them on a damn. carnivore diet and see what happens it's. the only way to test it if you do an.

epidemiology study and you don't account. for Sugar Sugar drink Coca-Cola bread. pasta lasagna yeah that's exactly that's. what Harford did recently they didn't. account for sugar intake when they said. beef causes diabetes like you got to be. kidding me you're not even counting. sugar that's so crazy right but they but. they get this published and this is. really bad science you know and guys. like uh John anius who's a who's a one. of the most cited scientist in the world. has basically said all this epidemiology. we're doing we're just wasting money. it's not telling us anything it's all. garbage but they keep doing it over and. over again because they generate.

headlines you know the headlines I want. but anyway back to this beef check off. thing so I I I said hey look you know. every year you award money you know. hundreds of th you know tens of millions. of dollars to promote beef I said let's. get a little bit of money to do a. research study on diabetes and they. literally said no we're not interested. in doing that and I'm like you got to be. kidding me the beef industry is taking a. beating right now you know you you. listen to it it's like um you know. everybody wants to get rid of beef it's. there the cow farts are boiling the. oceans and uh you know it's going to.

kill you it's going to give you cancer. which all of this is largely nonsense. and this is a you know in my view this. type of study would clearly clearly. demonstrate um that not only does beef. not caused diabetes in fact I talked to. the CEO of the ncba two years ago I sat. down I presented in front of the. California Cattleman's Association and. literally the president of Association. stood up and said I went on a Cara diet. and cured my diabetes it's like yeah. it's clear and the guy said yeah I get. it we're going to help you out we're. going to get this going I didn't hear I.

hear nothing from these guys so what I. think's going on is the USDA kind of. oversees all these check offs and they. just kind of say look you can't say that. because we want to promote you know. because again they have all these. process food lobbies Nabisco and PepsiCo. sitting on the you know they're on the. board and they're like if we promote. this one food and people stop eating all. this processed food right then what are. we going to do we're going to lose a lot. of money you think about it you know not. that I'm advocating that everybody going. a car over di cuz I don't think that's I. don't think it's necessary from you know.

for one but if you significantly cut. back on all the people consuming all. this garbage you know what what does. that do economically to this country I. mean you think about how much money is. spent on garbage food the drugs are. needed to treat on that you're talking I. mean we spent four $4.3 trillion do a. year on on healthc care in this country. and what do we get for it we got one of. the sickest populations in the world our. life expectancy is going down. everybody's fat everybody's depressed. everybody's on drugs you know it's crazy.

it is crazy and it's crazy that they. don't look to diet as being the primary. cause of that or if they do they look to. these epidemiology studies that don't. take into account exactly what you're. eating with the meat why is it meat it's. always demonized well I think for a. number of reasons one if you go back to. like dietetics in the beginning like. back in 1917 the American dietetics. Association was formed this was formed. literally by sth Day Adventist so the. from the very very beginning the. creation of the nutrition science field.

these seventh day Adventists who are you. know religiously vegetarians you know. you go back to like uh the Kellogg's. Brothers you know John Harvey Kellogg. where he's out there you know uh. circumcising females and saying we got. we can't eat meat because it's going to. make you have sex and make you have lust. and masturbate this is all like this. religious stuff and then it got people. don't know that but they they should. know that that he developed this cereal. this Bland cereal to discourage. masturbation which is one of the wildest.

Things I have ever heard yeah that guy. was a wacko man he was in there dude he. was giving himself like high pressure. enemas every day it was just like. [ __ ] 20 gallons a minute enemas. because he thought that was he was a. wacko he was a really nutty guy you read. about some of his 20 gallon enas it was. some ridiculous like super high capacity. like a super soaker on steroids thing. just are enas bad for you cuz I've. always wondered if your internal gut. Flora is important and it is isn't that. getting washed out I think to some. degree it is I don't know that anybody's.

really looked at it from that angle but. uh I you know I I think in some cases. like you know some people's got some. problems with constipation it could be. helpful but I don't think it's generally. a healthy practice for most I know. there's people that are like like. putting weird stuff up their butt man. it's just kind of it's like I think. probably feels good flushed out it might. but also makes you see everything come. out of you I guess I've never done it. but apparently there's a tube and they. look at oh look here's your problems. yeah it's kind of like these. there's this thing these crazy vegans do. where they um they they consume like uh.

like this charcoal and this jelly and. stuff and they this kind of GRL mix and. then it kind of like fills up their. intestines and they poop it all out and. they say that's that's clearing out all. my intestines I can't remember what they. call it but it's like there's these. crazy crazy videos where they're just. pulling all this like gelatinous black. stuff out of their butt but it's like. you just ate all that stuff that's. what's coming out of you it's not look. all the toxins yeah exactly you just ate. that stupid you just ate the same stock. people are obsessed with that term like. releasing the toxins you know they they.

really think that that's what's. happening when you sweat you get in the. sauna you're releasing the toxins like. when you're sweating your body's. regulating your heat temperature yeah. that's what's going on you know what. clears your toxins your [ __ ] liver. yeah that's what that thing's for yeah. liver kidneys yeah we got a pretty good. detox system for sure you don't you. don't need all the Smoothie juice fast. detoxes you know it's like some many. people are detoxing when their teeth. fall out they're detoxing their teeth. well the the other thing is with with. the Smoothie thing is my God you're.

getting so much sugar and you're getting. it in a weird form yeah you if you're in. eating fruit smoothies you're getting. you're getting sugar in a very unnatural. form fruit juices we are think that. fruit juices are really good for you. most doctors would agree that fruit. juices are very high in sugar yeah and. they get it in that sort of liquid dose. where it just goes right into your. [ __ ] bloodstream and your liver. that's a lot of sugar man well you think. about because Joe you like you're out. hunting all the time and you know you go.

when you go out and you're like if I had. to get food out here what would I what. would I have available to to to eat I. can tell you what you wouldn't you. wouldn't have all this processed food. but particularly like like powder you. know like we make powdered sugar we make. powdered flour and we we we combine them. together but we've changed the nature of. the food so much that it's interesting. you know I saw Darius was zafari and. who's a researcher at tough to he's a. guy to put out the study that says uh or. it's part of the study that said you. know like uh lucky charms are healthier. than than eggs you saw that last year.

that's total BS right hilarious but one. thing he did point out was that like. over the last 20 years or so we haven't. really been eating much more calories. than we were like from the 1960s to. about 2000 we ate more calories and. maybe that explains why everybody got. fat but since that time we really. haven't eaten much more but we've eaten. so much more ultr processed food and in. fact right now the US diet is close to. 70% Ultra process which you think about. that's like crazy and our kids are. getting fat but one thing that's. interesting is like you cuz you're. talking about the microbiome right or. our gut FL um when you eat like Whole.

Food you know it goes farther down your. digestive tract and then you know our. microbiome actually consumes some up to. up to 22% of our calories can be. consumed by our by our microbiome but. when you're just eating sugar it goes. straight in you so those calories your. gut microbiome doesn't get any of that. so you're you're it's like you're. absorbing more calories so just by. changing the quality of the food you're. changing how many calories you absorb. and that is what some people say is part. of what leads to this obesity thing but. we know like for instance Well here.

here's another thing the USDA came out. with a study like I know three months. ago 91% processed food diet is healthy. you know this this is what they're. pushing trying to trying to get us. because they're trying to position us to. say this study this was the USDA put it. out it was probably I think it was the. Nova study I think I've got I might have. that on there Jamie but um it's um it's. basically because there's there's some. there're starting to be back Clash. against Ultra processed fruits I mean. like South America is starting to ban.

the stuff which I think you know I'm not. I'm not for Banning food I mean I think. that gets into you know freedom of. choice and things like that so you. shouldn't B just like you can still. smoke if you want to you know it's not. the best for you so you don't want to do. that but at the same point you know. they're saying like this stuff is. there's a lot of backlash like people. like myself and probably you and others. just saying look this Ultra process. garbage is literally killing us it's. making us crazy it's making us depressed. all these people with mental health. disorders uh a lot of that nutrition is. part of that and we can talk about that.

but you know what they're seeing is. there's a backlash against that yeah so. that's a Nova Nova dietary guidelines. meet Nova developing a menu for a. healthy dietary pattern using ultr. processed food so they're basically. saying Hey how do we make people eat. more processed food and make it quote. unquote healthy and they showed that. they can make a diet that's like 91%. Ultra processed foods and still be quote. unquote healthy look what it says here. it says the purpose of this proof of. concept study was to determine the. feasibility of building a menu that.

aligns with the recommendations for a. healthy dietary pattern from the 2020. DGA and includes a over. 80% what is that kcil calories kilo. calories from UPF ultr processed foods. as defined by Nova designed to. accomplish this objective we first. developed a list of foods that fit NOA. criteria for UPF Ultra processed foods. fit within a dietary patterns in the. 2020 DGA and are commonly consumed by.

Americans we then use these foods to. develop a set was it what is that 7D. what does that mean 7day 7day 7day 7day. 2,000 kilo calorie menu modeled on the. my pyramid sample menus and assess this. menu for nutrient content as well as for. diet diet quality using the healthy. eating index the results in the ultr. process DGA menu uh that was created 91%. of the kilo calories were from ultr. processed food or Nova category 4 the.

hii 2115 score was 86 out of a possible. 100 points the sample menu did not. achieve a perfect score due primarily to. excess sodium and an insufficient amount. of whole grains this menu provided. adequate amounts of all macro and. micronutrients except vitamin D vitamin. E and choline conclusions healthy. dietary patterns can include most of. their energy from Ultra processed foods. still receive a high diet quality score.

and contain adequate amounts of most. macro and micronutrients boy right so. remember USDA the guys that go there. they leave USDA and they go sit on on. the board of directors at nisco and. PepsiCo and so this is really I think. what this is It's positioning us it's. positioning us as a society to accept. that Ultra processed foods are our food. it's it's it's really human pet food I. mean you see what happens to our pets. yes and and everybody's fat so we're. going to still eat we're going to say. well it's still okay if it's okay if you. eat your you know your human dog chow or.

your human Chow just keep keep doing. that don't ask questions and oh by the. way here's an AIC shot or semaglutide. shot will semaglutide shot will give you. to to kind of keep you chilled out so. it's really I mean it's it's it's almost. Sinister in a way it's very bizarre it's. very bizarre that this isn't challenged. and that shows you how captured our food. industry really is the fact that that's. not challenged the fact that our health. guidelin aren't set on hey what you. should be eating is what human beings.

are designed to eat in nature yeah well. I mean is real food I mean I you know my. opinion on dietary guidelines because we. have a USDA that meets every five years. and by the way so USDA diet dietary. guidelines found did you see there's a. physician from from Harvard named uh uh. Fatima Stamford right and she went on 60. Minutes and said obesity has nothing to. do with diet it has nothing to do with. exercise it's all gen disease and. genetic and there's nothing you can.

literally do and and really and she's. also sponsored by Nova Nordisk who makes. OIC right and she's on there she's also. a member of the US dietary guidelines. panel so 95% of the people that sit on. the US dietary guidelines panel today. for this next one where they're going to. come up for 2025 guidelines all have. Financial ties to processed food. companies which I mean you think about. it's just like this is crazy so so wild. so if you go to like Brazil like. Brazil's dietary guidelines at least the. on they released a few years ago it was. like here's what you should do um cook.

at home don't eat processed foods and. and eat with people around that that you. love and that that's their literally. that is their recommendation which I. think is better than our guidelines. because you know I mean if left to our. own you know I mean we are now being. told we got to eat all this garbage and. it's just making us it's just making us. sick it's crazy and I think you know. like you know I mean it's like this is. the most can you remember a time cuz you. and I grew up the same time we like I. turned 50 in 6 weeks6 so we grew up the. same time back when we were kids I mean.

it's like when we were kids we all. watched the same [ __ ] shows cuz there. was nothing else on right there was what. CBS ABC NBC and maybe like PBS right and. maybe a local news station that's all. you had so we're all watching Gilligans. Island and The Brady Bunch and Dukes of. Hazards and Charlie's Angels and stuff. like that and everybody had the same. thing but now it's so fractionating. everybody's divided I mean I don't if I. can't remember a time when this country. has been more divided I mean can you I. me it's just like everying single issue. Palestine Israel uh you know Co shot not.

shot um climate change no climate change. it's like everything's a war it's like. crazy but I think part of that is I mean. I don't think half people's brains work. anymore I mean because we're just so. nutrient deprived I think that's really. true and it sounds crazy to say because. people oh that's not it no it's social. media it's this I think the mental. health aspects of social social media. which are significant there's there's. real mental health issues involved in. these posts and commenting and seeking.

things that outrage you I think it's. exacerbated by people's poor physical. health oh sure sure it's it's you know. like I'm going to go back to mental. health a little bit so there is a. another guy at Harvard name is Dr Chris. Palmer he's a good dude he's like an. Indiana country boy but he's at Harvard. and he just wrote a book called brain. energy where he talks about how. nutrition metabolism significantly. affect mental health disorders and you. know we've got something like 25% of. Americans are on a drug for mental. health which is insane I mean it's like. how the hell do we do we make it through.

millions of years as a species you know. or hundreds of thousands of years rather. but what they've shown in one study they. showed that you know they took like uh. 30 people that were impatient like. psychotic I mean. schizophrenia manic bipolar disorder. major depressive disorder and they. changed their diet they put them on a. you know Clean Diet you know kind of a. lower carb diet and all of them every. single one of them saw significant. Improvement and their mental health and. so but you know what do we do now you. know if you go to like rehab drug rehab.

or you you put somebody in a in an. institution they just feed them garbage. and they just keep them perpetuating. this horrible go to hospital yeah the. hospitals are horrible hospital is. terrible food they give you garbage they. give you little [ __ ] things. applesauce and cheeseburgers yeah like. pancakes with syrup and an orange juice. and and some Jell-O like the the crappy. gel that they yeah it's all bad for you. you don't get grass-fed steak no not at. all no it's. fiber this is this is another thing that. always comes up when when I tell people.

that I eat only meat what about fiber. yeah yeah so that's a that's a good. that's a good topic and and so what I. would say is fiber is conditionally. beneficial so if you're eating a. standard diet yeah you're going to need. if you put fiber fiber really is a. marker for uh diet quality right so if. I'm if I'm some poor guy and I'm eating. this potato chips and cookies I don't. get a lot of fiber if I got a little. more money I'm probably buying the. fruits and vegetables probably out of. guilt but it but it generally represents.

higher socio economic status uh better. overall diet quality and and I think. it's beneficial in that situation but if. you go like is it providing anything. that I can't get from meat so there was. a study that uh uh a guy named Tommy. wood and the other other researchers was. maor I can't remember her first name is. female they did a study looking at um. what happens to the microbiome because. we're always hearing oh you need fiber. to feed your microbiome right you need. those short chain fatty acids you need. the. uh the berate or the buic acid well they. looked at that and they said look the.

gut has our gut has incredible metabolic. flexibility and so even in the absence. of fiber you can get the same short. trained fatty acids from protein you can. get it from being a low carb state where. you have you know more ketones being. produced because you know the the main. Ketone is in our blood is called beta. hydroxy berate which is very similar to. butter acid it's only one you know. hydroxy molecule away it reverses all. the time so they at that that you know. we don't need fiber for that particular. aspect and the other thing there was a.

recent study um CU I see what I see is. so many autoimmune conditions you know. you know like I know you've talked to. Jordan and Michaela and you know you've. seen these crazy autoimmune conditions. which I've seen in the thousands now. it's crazy like cronn disease UL of. colitis psoriasis rheumatoid arthritis. eczema asthma uh you know anything um. that there was a study looking at fiber. actually exacerbating problems with. rheumatoid arthritis because of its. interaction with a particular bacteria.

called pratella copri I think or. something like that and so we're seeing. yeah so high fiberite synergizes and. exacerbates rheumatoidarthritis so. basically you know it's showing that. yeah I mean there's there can be. problems with fiber for a lot of people. particularly if they have these issues. and so so when people say that fiber is. beneficial what they essential. essentially saying is that if you have a. poor diet if you have a diet that's rich. in Ultra processed food and garbage. fiber would be beneficial to you because. it would help what does it do it helps I.

think it's I think it's displacing the. garbage off the plate right so if you if. you load your plate up with fruits and. vegetables which I think generally I'm. not a guy that says vegetables are. trying to kill you and and nobody I know. there's other people it's kind of funny. the car you talk about cults and. Carnival kind of become a cult right and. it's not because of me I'm like I tell. people hey we're omnivores this is a. therapeutic protocol use it for as long. as you if you want to do it for a. lifestyle have at it it's fine I'm not. going to but I'm but but what I think. was happening with fiber in a lot of. ways and because this Fiber goes back to.

uh oh what's the researcher's name I'm. blanking on his name he had a cancer. named after him but anyway from 1920s. 1930s goes to Uganda in Africa and. notices like oh These people aren't fat. and sick like they are in England and uh. Burkett Dennis Burkett is the guy's name. and he says well oh they're eating a lot. of fiber but they weren't also they. weren't eating a lot of sugar and they. weren't eating a lot of garbage like. they were in the UK because Sugar's been. around since about the 1600s and and and. progressively has increased I mean the. us right now it's kind of interesting. like compared to like the 18 early 1800s.

the average kid by the age of something. like eight has eaten more sugar than. they would have in a lifetime back you. know 150 years ago so it's kind of crazy. by the time they're eight by the time. they're 8 years old the average. 8-year-old has eaten more sugar than. somebody would have eaten in their. entire life you know and that's just the. normal kids you you see some of these. kids are just like I mean I got Jamie I. got a picture I got to show you this is. so incredible Jamie there's a there's a. gal before and after picture we got this. food addiction stuff so I interviewed a. gal she was 800 lb right it's like how.

do how do you get to 800 lb it's like. impossible like I could I don't think I. could do it if I tried right I mean I. don't you know food food addict couldn't. stop eating chocolate and ice cream and. all that stuff and this is her uh she's. 8 almost 800 lb 350 kilos which is the. most I've ever deadlifted so that's. that's kind of an interesting weight but. 22 months she goes on Carnivore right I. interviewed her a while back and she's. now lost almost 500 lound on Carnivore. when nothing else would work for her I. mean she literally I mean she told me it.

was like I finally found the off switch. she tried weight ler she tried like. gastric bip you know band surgery she. tried vegan diet she tried juicing she. tried weight wash she tried every single. thing you could think of but could never. stop stop and finally for the first time. in her life she's like I finally found. freedom from this food addiction and you. know recent studies show that uh that. other guy in the Hat this is a funny guy. this guy in the Hat right there his name. is uh what's his name I'm Ling on his. Todd he's a dude out in Montana right he.

was 770 lbs right same sort of situation. started drinking Cokes when he was he. when he was 14 years old I'm doing an. interview and he he goes yeah you know I. didn't I didn't know who he was and he. start S goes yeah I was 14 I was 600 lb. I'm like what 600 lb at 14 it's like how. the hell can you get the 400b you know. their poor family and his mom and sister. and everybody in the family was you know. very obese and they had tried G gastric. bypass and it didn't work for them but. same thing with this kid I mean he's. just like I call him a kid he's 40 he. went carnivore and for the first time in.

his life he's like I don't need the. sugar and I don't need the coke he was. drinking like 20 Cokes a day or some. ridiculous stuff and he just blew up and. blew up and he could not stop until and. this is why one of the reasons I think I. think they know this I mean the food. industry knows they're making addictive. food they clearly know that in fact I. had a gal who worked for one of the. major food manufacturer companies and. her job she was she was a chemist uh and. her job was to design food to be as. addictive as as possible and she. literally told me that she goes I can no. longer get live with a guilt and I want. to come work for you guys and you know.

she was just so like just beside herself. she says she realizes what she's created. with this epidemic of disease and. suffering I mean because these people. are suffering did you see that movie The. Whale did you ever see that movie I did. not it's good it's an interesting movie. so it's you Brandon Frasier and he it's. like 700 lb dude it shows he lives in. his cou he lives in his recliner he. can't barely get up he can barely go to. the bathroom refrigerator next to him. and his whole life is in and this guy. did the same thing said he spent like he. said he went he fasted one time for 40. days trying to lose weight just and he.

never left his chair he he just sat. there for 40 days and didn't eat wow can. you imagine that's like hell that's like. hell on Earth you know but now he's like. now he's going back to work he's getting. out in the field and he's working doing. like electrical work or something like. that but I mean it's just the. sugar in one way you know I know there's. people out there saying listen not. Sugar's fine it's all seed oils and. stuff like that but I think clearly. there are people that are addicted to. either sugar or sugary Foods you know. it's like you know cuz you like. would you eat chocolate if there's no. sugar in it I mean it's like you know. that that 100% dark is kind of like you.

have you tried it have you it's kind of. gross it is it's like the only reason. you eat that stuff because the Sugar's. in there so people say well no one's no. one's mainlining bags of sugar but I. mean actually I know people that have. actually done that I mean it's kind of. crazy you figure you see these people. that are so addicted to this stuff but. they Mainline well I mean well I mean. they just eat it out of the bag you know. it's kind of like they're not. Sho they're not like heroin addicts but. I mean they're they're like you know cuz. there there are people that say they'll. do that if they can't get anything else. and you just eat bag of sugar they'll. see they'll sit down well there's the. lethal dose for sugar is about like 5.

PBS if you like sat down and ate a 5B. bag of sugar it would kill you it would. literally cause you going to liver. failure so there is like an ld50 on. sugar so it is over what time period. just like whatever maybe a day or. something like that you know if you just. sat down and ate you know and some of. these people you see some of these have. you seen like uh they call them fat. fluenc like these body positive I mean. it's you know influencers but they're. fat right and they're and they're. they're literally out there and the. processed food companies actually pay. these guys right they do oh yeah it's. same thing they they they're getting. Kickbacks to promote all this unhealthy.

behavior and unhealthy food and they're. going through what I eat in a day and. it's like you know you know everything. you know it's like Doritos and cookies. and cokes and all the garbage that. they're they're they're chowing down on. and you know we got this whole the body. positivity movement is being funded by. the processed food industry I mean if. you didn't know that I mean it's like. they're they've clearly shown directly. directly they're paying these people to. do this the other thing processed food. compan they're paying diet. on on social media also to recommend. processed foods so it's it's just like.

it's it's I mean it's it's clearly. corrupt I it's so dirty it's such a. dirty but it's like a war against your. health and they're the enemy they're the. propagandists well and then they want I. mean you've seen this stuff like like. you know they come off to you they say. oh he's a racist or he's a right-wing. fascist or something like because. because you're like I don't want to be. sick and fat you know that's what they. come out and say it's it's you know it's. like there was there some article like. you know working out is a right. lightwing conspiracy do you see that yes. it's wild it's wild cuz some people read.

that and people that are like extremely. Avers as to being labeled right-wing or. being labeled racist or xenophobic or. whatever it is they're they're terrified. of those labels they don't they don't. want that smoke and so they see these. things and it does affect the way they. view the world as ridiculous as it. sounds and maybe one article won't do it. but if you see enough of them over time. you will associate that act ity with. some sort of problematic label that. could be put on you which is incredible.

that we're so easily influenced some of. us yeah I mean it's you know I saw like. uh I know you had Elon on on Elon Musk. on several times I know he said like. look I was a middle of the road dude and. that's me too I was like I'm just kind. of midal let people live I'm not. political one way or the other and all. of a sudden the whole Spectrum just. shifts way over and it's like if you're. not. promoting like craziness you're all of a. sudden. this racist crazy person I've always. been left wing which is really crazy but. the left moves so far away from what the.

left used to be and now you're now. you're a fascist now I'm an alright. influencer yeah I've I've seen people. label me as an alt-right person I'm like. that is so wild that they can do that. with a straight face because I've always. I've I've said hey maybe we should look. into Universal basic income maybe we. should use look into Universal healthare. I think education should be free you. know I think we should subsidize the. schools and we should fix the roads and. we should [ __ ] fix interner City and. we should if you're going to use tax. dollars that's that and if I thought my. tax dollars were being used very.

appropriately in that way I'd be 100% in. favor of all that stuff if I thought it. really was overall benefit to society. the problem is bureaucracy and big. government is insanely inefficient like. if you were talking about if there was. some sort of uh Private Industry and the. Private Industry only profited if. something was successful and they got. involved in these particular activities. if they got involved in education if.

they got involved in dietary health and. the only way they were profitable is if. their methods were effective because. there's a free market that would. probably work but when you get the. government involved all it does is make. the government employees more wealthy it. makes the government larger and it makes. them protect that industry we covered. that with the homeless thing in in. California if you're not aware there's. people that are working on the homeless. there's like a shitload of them and some. of them they're making a quar million.

dollars a year and they are not putting. a [ __ ] dent in it they're not. effective at all in fact the only thing. that I saw that was effective at all in. stopping the tents and the homeless. situation was when G ping visit San. Francisco they [ __ ] cleaned it up. like that like you could have done this. the whole time what do they do to those. people where do they put those people. you think I don't know but what are they. going to do now now that XI is gone are. they going to like take down the fences. and let people camp again like you. showed that the overall quality of life.

of the people that live in that city is. not important to you what's important is. the view the Optics when a [ __ ]. dictator comes and visits which is so. wild yeah I saw you know the governor. Gavin new my do you think he's I think. he's gonna run I think I I'm just want. you know I try not to get political but. I'm just like what's going to happen in. the next election I mean are is Biden. even going to be able to run I think at. this point they kind of have to run him. unless he.

dies I don't we don't have we have one. year now we're in November we're in late. November we have less than a year like. what how what are they going to do I. mean you could look if Biden died. tomorrow and then what do they do with. KLA Harris they're goingon to put her on. the moon like what are they gonna do. she's the vice president so if he dies. she becomes the president which is. [ __ ] wild when you hear that lady. talk what if what if what if like Biden. says like in I don't know may he says.

you know I'm I'm just not feeling up to. it and then and then they say Kamala is. now the president she's the first female. president and then she steps down at the. convention and they said let's give it. to to Nome I mean you think that's a. plausible scenario is possible but it. would be a real problem for people that. are comma Harris supporters and believe. it or not they exist yeah but I mean how. I mean I'm sure that I'm sure the. Democratic part is just like calculating. how how big is this and what's what's. the thing I think they have [ __ ] no. cards and they're looking at this this. game and I don't know I think they're.

depending upon Party Loyalty and they're. depending upon Trump getting convicted. and arrested I mean and and um. imprisoned rather I don't know if that's. going to happen I don't think it is it. doesn't seem to it seems like it's a. bunch of trumped up charges no pun. intended yeah I mean I just again I I. I'm not a political commentary I'm not. exp but it does seem like really like. why are they going after him so hard. right now when they could have done it. you know like the the the whatever the. hotel thing or the valuation of the. property from 20 years ago it's bananas.

the valuation of the property is so. obvious so off what it should be $18. million from Maro I'd [ __ ] buy it I'd. [ __ ] buy it immediately if that [ __ ]. was $18 million and you were the only. one that was able to buy it you'd be a. fool not to scoop it up because you. could sell it right away you get a loan. and you can sell that [ __ ] right away. for who knows how much I mean I think. Forbes valued it I think it was like. well over 700 million and Trump thinks. it's worth over a billion and he might. be right that's what's crazy it's a.

giant piece of property in one of the. most valuable pieces of land in all of. America I mean a house next to him down. the street a much smaller place sold for. 50 yeah so it doesn't make sense of it. doesn't make it's it's it does make. sense if you if you want to look at. Banana public Republic tax I mean when. you're imprisoning and and trying to. convict your political opponents which. is I the problem with that is even if. you think Donald Trump is a crook even. if you think that he should be arrested.

this sets a precedent for future. presidents if we get someone who is not. just Donald Trump who has a lot of. people in the center that say Hey his. economic policies were effective his. foreign policies were effective even if. I think he's a jerk maybe that would be. better to have a jerk run the country in. a way that's better overall than what's. being done right now even if you looked. at that what if someone further right. than him steps in what if War breaks out. what if things get even crazier what if. nationalism really upticks then you have.

someone who is now in power that is far. right like has happened all over the. world if that happens and that person if. that precedent has been set for. prosecuting your political opponents and. going after them with trumped up charges. we have a horrible situation and that's. one of the reasons why we have to stick. with the rule of law we have to stick. with the the way this country was. founded on these princip were set up. because they wanted to mitigate. corruption at its base level at every. step of the way they wanted to stretch.

it out so no one could be an. authoritarian dictator and run America. yeah because you talk about the backlash. because You' saw like right recently in. Argentina you know gu there's a. Libertarian one and then just in the. Netherlands which is kind of interesting. because they were like in the. Netherlands they're trying to get rid of. cows they're like oh these cows are. farting they're killing the atmosphere. and the farmers were like we don't like. this and so they had this I guess this P. pvv or ppv party Freedom Party and they. they won that by a landslide and so and. you saw in Italy Maloney takes over so.

you've got this I think backlash coming. back it depends how how far does a. pendulum swing back the other way and. you kind of like I don't know I mean. day-to-day to me it doesn't really. affect me that much because I'm I'm not. like a political crazy person but I'm. just like how does it affect my. day-to-day stuff I mean a little bit of. the covid stuff I was a little annoyed. by that I don't I know I was very. annoyed by I don't know you know I was I. just spoke in a conference in Florida. and I had I had Robert Malone sitting. next to me in the in the car when he was. going out there I just kind of saw some. of the craziness there and I know that's. a that's a really sensitive issue but um.

it's sensitive but it shouldn't be it it. should be sensitive the other way you. should everyone at this point in time. should realize that we got Hoodwinked. yeah everyone should realize that it was. an overall net negative for children. that got kept out of schools masks all. all the [ __ ] that we saw that went on. forget about just the vaccines the. lockdowns just what they did the closing. of businesses the essential business. that they had big chains labeled as. essential but these small mom and pop.

stores were forced to go under people. had worked their whole lives to develop. these businesses and they took them away. from them and it's [ __ ] up and the. fact that no one is outraged still and. that this narrative has been allowed to. be portrayed through the the mass media. that this isn't a major problem and that. this cannot happen again like this is. [ __ ] Madness man yeah it's like you. like see the shirt I'm wearing here this. is from my Jiu-Jitsu coach this guy's. name Greg Anderson he was a he was a I. know that dude follow him on Instagram.

he's a good guy so he uh Special Forces. or Special Operations rather Army Ranger. 15 145 tours overseas comes back as a. Seattle cop and during the pandemic and. they were like hey you need to go arrest. this lady for doing people's nails at. her home and he's like I'm not doing. that this is total [ __ ] right and he. and he and he made a video and it went. viral yeah and the cops the Seattle. Police you commissioner said hey Greg we. agree in principle what you're saying. but you got to take down a video like we. we and he just said no [ __ ] you I'm not.

going to do it so they fired him and so. he got like like a GoFundMe page and he. raised much money and he opened a. Jiu-Jitsu stud in a CrossFit gym he's. like I make more money now as a. Jiu-Jitsu guy than I ever did as a as a. cop so he's great online too he's very. wise he's he's a and he he always beats. my ass whenever I roll against him he. always armar that [ __ ] man this. is like this is like I try one time one. round I got to like within 2 seconds of. the round ending H didn't got me and he. got me in the last second so it's kind. of. like well that's the process yeah.

exactly I mean one day you'll be doing. that to people stay hope that's what the. stem cells were for today ex and. appreciate that was I guess we may chat. about that so you've been doing stem. cells for for a while right Jo oh I've. cured some really serious injuries with. stem cells yeah that that I was told. needed surgery yeah that's that's that's. the interesting thing CU I'm an. orthopedic surgeon right I operate I. replace knees and hips and shoulders and. all that stuff over the years and the. orthopedic surgery Orthopedic you know. academy uh says stem cells don't really. work and so but the question is is it.

because again there's a conflict of. interest here because if you're not. getting surgery because you're getting. stem cells I'm losing out on you know. shoulder arthroscopy money right so I. mean there's a little bit of conflict of. interest there so I go into it with a. little bit of skepticism but I'm. open-minded and we'll see like I said if. I you know if I notice because I want to. get back to Rolling I mean the key is. you have to not roll for quite a while. yeah you have to really let that thing. heal well what I'm planning on you know. like I said I'm like I got one of those. iron neck deals you're a fan of that I. talked to the guy Robert I think is the. the you know the head of that company.

and it's pretty cool I was doing it in. the hotel room this morning but I mean. it was just like I want to because I got. a long neck I don't know if you can tell. I got a pretty long neck I'm pretty big. strong guy but my neck is an area where. I didn't really like spend a lot of time. developing because I I mean when I. played rugby I did i' do some neck. Bridges and wrestlers Bridges and like. you Neck Bridge and start bench pressing. with the weight on there but I hadn't. done that in years you know cuz I just. like so then know when I got into Jitsu. and I've been do you know two two years. into it basically and then I just got. dumped man I was just like you know.

we're talking about that I just got. landed on my head dropped on my head and. flex under me on my way cuz I'm about. 250 260 and the other guy was like I. don't know 220 and it was just like that. combined weight it was just like a lot. of weight yeah so it's one thing so I. necks are a real problem John Jo Machado. always said never trust your neck yeah. yeah so so my goal is to make it as. strong and as flexible and as. bulletproof as possible before I go back. you know cu I may go back to just doing. some like Drilling and stuff like that. but not the actual live rounds for a. while but um yeah you just have to avoid.

aggravating it while it happens my buddy. Shane Dorian who's a big wave surfer he. just went down to the CPI in uh Tijana. and they could do some wild [ __ ] down. there and they they inject because. that's part of the problem with it not. being completely approved by the FDA is. they're limiting their applications so. but in Mexico they're not and so they've. had tremendous results and they inject. directly into the discs they put you. under under anesthesia they inject you. directly in the discs and they told them.

don't I want you doing anything for. eight weeks nothing yeah you're walking. that's it no no nothing straining that's. hard to do man it's hard to do but it's. it's important it's so hard for guys. like you and I that work out all the. time but it's so important and one of. the things that I realized I was getting. uh a lot of stem cells in my left knee. in particular I had a torn uh MCL and I. just wasn't letting it heal properly I. would I would get the stem cells and. then four weeks later I'd go back to. Muay Thai and I'd be smashing the bag.

and kicking the pads then my knee would. swell up again I was like [ __ ] and I was. thinking God damn it I don't want to get. surgery and then I would go back again. get more stem cells do it again and then. I finally got the stem cells and I said. okay I am going to take a year off of. Kicking and I didn't do any kicking at. all for a year now it's back to full. strength I have no problems with it I'm. slamming the bag no problems it doesn't. it's still I'm missing meniscus in there. cuz I had it scoped in. 2003 I believe it was and so there's a.

chunk of I had a bucket handle tear it. was a real problem it was a nasty. meniscus tear that I had so they removed. some meniscus which can contribute to. arthritis if you're not careful but um. it just gets a little sore sometimes but. the structure is not it's not a problem. at all anymore and I did a lot of that. knees over toes stuff you know that guy. that guy's amazing yeah he's amazing and. I love that he puts all that information. out there for everybody he just lets you. know for free he shows his mom doing it.

he shows how he had all these knee. surgeries and all these problems and now. he can dunk he can run he can Sprint do. all these different things so I started. incorporating all those knees over toes. things the Nordic curls The Tib bar. raises my knees are significantly. stronger than they've been in years yeah. I do some of the backwards stuff that he. does I've got a h I've got a hill at my. house it's about 8 you still doing right. Hill Sprints Joe you still do that no I. haven't done those but I do a lot of. sled work I do a lot of pushing the sled.

and I still run a little bit um I do uh. I I have one of those um uh treadmills. that is self-propelled yeah like an AR. one yes those are great those are great. I've got one I've got one in the garage. cuz you're on the ball of your foot it's. you know it's fairly cushioned and it. that doesn't irritate me at all yeah. it's supposed to sort of I guess provide. better feedback for better correct. running technique I. like the assault air Runner is one I've. got at home yeah I think that's what I. have too and it's uh supposedly like I.

think it's 13% more difficult than. running regularly yeah I've heard it's a. little harder yeah yeah so it's nice so. it gives you real good cardiovascular. benefits and it doesn't hurt my knees. and it doesn't [ __ ] with you run do you. run sprints or do you what do you kind. of run I mostly just do distance you. know I'll do like you know time and keep. my my heart rate at you know in the high. 140s something like that what percentage. of like when you say because you're. doing what percentage of your training. is Jiu-Jitsu versus striking or. grappling versus striking you I haven't. been doing much grappling lately so I've.

been doing more striking than that but. it was mostly because of my knee because. I just wanted to give it time off and. now that it's better and then I was. going through elanti season and elcon. season I didn't want to [ __ ] anything up. because you know when you Elon you have. to you know you're doing 10 12 miles a. day and you're doing it in the mountains. so most of my work was I was doing. rocking I was doing do a lot of farmers. carries I was doing elevated treadmill. with weight on my back I was doing a lot. of things like that that is just.

designed. StairMaster I was doing all the. different knees over toes stuff box. steps all these different things just. specifically to condition my legs for. the mountains and I didn't want to [ __ ]. my knees up on but that's over so now I. can go back to jiu jit got it I was just. wondering like you know cuz you cuz you. got a black belt you've been doing it. for what 30 years or something forever. forever yeah so you kind of like you. figure out like I'm still in learning. face I'm like the biggest problem for me. is like I can't get in as enough as I. want to to to hit that learning curve. and so I'm just like the big thing is. drilling yeah drilling is everything and.

everybody loves to roll cuz it's so fun. exactly it's so fun but really Drilling. and live drills you know like you know. you and especially if you get good. training Partners good training partners. are everything someone who gives you. like 50% 60% resistance and then you go. through a pass phase you know you go. through a guard pass phase or you go. through a back Mount pH you know. whatever your routine is that you do. just [ __ ] do that over and over and. over and over again I made my biggest.

leaps when I was a blue belt because uh. I'm good friends with Eddie Bravo and he. and I would drill twice a week we would. just get together and nothing but drill. nothing but drill and it made massive. leaps in my Improvement because I was. conditioned to hit those my my my body. knew what just like tying he he would. describe it like tying your shoelace you. don't even think about H your shoelace. right you get it once you know how to do. it and you're you just it just does that. you want that with your Jiu-Jitsu. techniques and the way to get that with.

Yu Jiu-Jitsu techniques is to drill just. drill over and over and over again then. practice on white belts yeah that's I. because I find like well you know you. because I'm still white Bel I mean. because I just I didn't I don't go as. much but I mean it's just like when I go. another white Bel it's like it's like. War man it's just like you want to kill. each other right right you got to learn. how to be playful that's what the. Gracies always say Keep playful I I try. to play like I have my better roles with. the with the higher belts like the black. belts I mean cuz they know like they can.

dial it back in there you know it's just. kind of like they they kind of let you. work a little bit so that's really and I. always but I always try to get the. harder ones because I'm like you know. I'm like I'm big guy and I like you know. that's a problem two is that you're so. big you know when big guys it's hard for. them to learn that's like a big guy that. has a guard is so [ __ ] dangerous. that's why Fabo verom was so dangerous. because he was a heavyweight a giant guy. who had a lethal guard CU it's so rare. cuz big guys can just get on top they. get on top and smash the smaller people. and that's fun and so they do that more.

often than not and it's very rare that. you get a big guy that has really sharp. sharp. technique most people say the best. Jiu-Jitsu to learn is learn Jiu-Jitsu. from a smaller person you learn. Jiu-Jitsu from you know like one of the. Mendes brothers or hoer Gracie or. someone who's a smaller person. physically Marcelo Garcia so their. technique is just sharp has to be has to. be you you there's no options you can't. muscle your way around things you how. many times have you been caught in an.

arm bar you could just [ __ ] yank your. arm out yeah it's a white belt putting. on I usually get out us usually I like. it cuz then I'm like I'm going to get. out and land on you it's like but if. it's somebody good like Greg i'm F you. know there was a period where I was kind. of figuring I was like pushing his lower. leg down and catching between my legs. and I was doing that for a while and I. was kind of defeating him a little bit. then he then he of course figured that. out and yeah still armar me anyway but. that's what know black belt's all about. how much does he weigh he Craig's he's. 200ish something like that so decent. size you know decent size but you have a.

significant I'm usually like I'm I'm. like 260 right now usually I'm about 250. I'm a little fat right now but you got. to learn how to not use that so. counterintuitive well what he says is. use it when you need it I mean there's. times when strength is important and you. don't want to it's like it's like. telling a fast guy don't be fast I mean. it's like you want to use what you have. to some degree but that's in competition. what you're with what learning and. training is supposed to be about is. drilling those techniques into your. central nervous system drilling those. techniques into your mind and your body.

so that when the opportunity arises like. when you hit an arm drag your body. immediately knows what to do it's just. instantaneous it's not like oh okay I. got the elbow and I pull now what it's. just just I mean it makes total sense. because it's like you know like it was. kind of funny before I hurt my neck I. got all these Dana hair videos I'm like. watching like oh yeah cuz John is like. he's funny I mean it's just like you. listen to talking on his videos and'll. just say something off the wall it's. like oh yeah it's like when you're at.

the if you're hanging out at the strip. joint last night I'm like what you know. he throws these funny things in there. and he's such a good explain you know. he's such a good just you know guy. describing what you're supposed to be. doing what you're supposed to be. thinking why you're doing it I I enjoy. that but but again then you go to a live. role and you're like wait a minute it's. it's changing too fast for me to keep up. you can't really picture that's why. drilling is so important drilling is. everything when you f you meet guys that. drill versus guys that don't drill. another it's a giant leap in their. Improvement the guys who drill another.

thing that really helps is teaching um. when my friends who realized that they. really love Jiu-Jitsu and they started. teaching lower belts to make a living. they didn't want to do their job anymore. so they got a job teaching private. lessons those guys got so much better. yeah it's really incredible it's. extraordinary the leap that they make. because they're concentrating on the. basics and they're they're explaining it. to me to people so when they're. explaining these things to people it's. like cementing it in their mind like.

really carving those grooves deeply in. their mind and their body so their body. knows exactly what to do in those. situations yeah we used to have a saying. in surgery see one do one teach one I. mean you it wasn't exactly that but I. mean if you could teach it then you. really had it down and that's 100%. that's when I got really good at martial. arts when I was teaching when I was a. kid I started teaching very early on my. instructor realized that I had some. potential so he told me at like a very. young age I think I was like 16 when I.

started teaching he said look we need. someone to teach white belts you're good. and you're very dedicated if you teach. you can train here for free so I was. great I was like this is awesome now I. don't have to pay dues all I have to do. is show up and teach which I love to do. anyway and it helped me it made a big I. I got big leaps in my improvement from. teaching yeah it makes sense you know. you know you know what really shocked me. is because you know I doing this. Carnival stuff A lot of people are. reaching out to me and I had uh the. first time I met like a professional MMA. guy his name was GE Georgie caran and he.

F in Bell Bellator and he very good. fighter and he goes hey would you mind. if I came to your house and trained I. was said yeah sure come on over and he's. such an I I was like this is a killer. these guys are assassins I mean their. job is literally to beat people up right. the nicest people I've ever met I've. been I've been amazed at how just super. nice all these guys I've met a lot of. them now and it's just like nothing to. prove yeah I mean it's just like that's. that's the one thing one of the reasons. I Like About You Jitsu is like it puts. the rest of your life in perspective you. know you go there and literally like. someone's literally like trying to kill.

you trying to if they choke you to death. you'd be dead if they like continue you. literally die and so you're like you're. fighting for your life and then the rest. of life is like well at least I'm not. getting fighting for my life so much. easier it's well the hardest thing you. do is always the hardest thing you do if. the hardest thing you do is parallel. parking like I can't do it you know it's. like it becomes a [ __ ] a real issue. but if you're used to jiu-jitsu the rest. of the life is easy right you know. you're just trying not to get your arm. broken you're trying not you know like. literally I mean how many people are.

running around all day where multiple. times a day you're trying not to get. your arm broken right yeah it's pretty. rare but in Jiu-Jitsu it's insanely. common yeah it's like like 10 times in. half an hour some trying to break also. it's such an insane stress reliever and. it's a moving form of meditation because. it's so engrossing and it's so. all-encompassing you your all your. thoughts thoughts are on that movement. at that time if you're training you're. rolling all your thoughts are completely. locked in you're not thinking [ __ ] my.

electric bill I forgot to pay it oh my. God I got to do this and what about the. end of the month I owe taxes you're not. thinking of any of that [ __ ] if you're. thinking any of that stuff you're. quickly going to be choked right it's. just like you know it's kind of funny. because and this is trying to explain. that to like my you know my my spouse is. like she sees me coming in my face is. all scratched up I got black eyes she's. like why the [ __ ] are you doing this. stuff doesn't she it doesn't compute to. her but I'm like. it's so fun it's just like it's so. there's such a pause of tradeoff for. that the only like like I said I'm just.

thinking about for like you know think. about longevity and stuff like that and. it's like yeah if I get hurt then I. can't train and then that's going to. have a negative impact on me so it's. kind of balancing that out so that you. can still continue to do the things that. keep you healthy and still enjoy this. this thing training smart finding good. training Partners like if you train with. Greg I guarantee you it's safer than. training with someone who's like a a. brute of a blue he's never hurt you know. he's never hurt me but he's he's. submitted me like a gazillion times I'm. just like again that's what being a. black belt's all about but if you can.

just find training Partners like that. and then also drill you'll be able to. train well I mean ELO Gracie was. training well into his 80s yeah you know. but but if you watched him train he was. training with his sons and they were. just they were flow rolling you know so. he's always going over the techniques. but there's no spiking him on his head. there's no you know what I'm saying like. that that the problem is the actual. chaos of rolling where knees get yanked. and you know [ __ ] backs get [ __ ] up.

that's where the problem lies but if you. can train smart and train with other. people that are also dedicated to. training smart you can continue your. improvement yeah that's what I I look. forward to getting back I'm thinking. probably with this neck thing probably. you know you know 3 four months down the. road I'll be back it's so addictive I. remember I was. like I guess I was probably like 20 7 or. 28 the first time I got hurt and uh I. went to a doctor and the doctor's like. well you got to stop doing Jiu-Jitsu I. was like okay fix this and I'm getting.

right back in there I don't know what. the [ __ ] you're talking about like all I. was thinking is like how long do I have. to recover from surgery before I can get. back to Rolling again that's all I was. thinking I was not thinking like oh I. have to stop now I was like what he was. saying stop I was like stop what stop. the one thing that keeps me sane like. cuz you know especially if you're a. person that deals with other High Press. things it makes those other High Press. things so much easier yeah it really. does and it elevates your human.

potential like whatever you do in life. will be easier to do because you do. something that's so much more difficult. than anything else yeah so it's kind of. like you know taking the cold the cold. plunge or the cold showers it's like if. I get up and do that the rest like you. you said you that first thing in the. morning first thing in the morning so. the rest of the day is downhill from. there exactly I get up in the first. thing in the morning I'm [ __ ] cold I. go out there I'm in a bathroom I'm like. [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] I don't it never. feels good I never want to do it every. single time my my [ __ ] ass brain tries.

to find some way to override my. discipline and tell me you don't have to. do it today you you've done it three. days this week I about take a day let's. go inside and get a cup of coffee and. watch TV I'm like shut up [ __ ] let's go. and then you get in there and I just. stare at my stopwatch I stare at the. watch and I go when 3 minutes is over. I'm going to be so happy I did this and. every time 3 minutes over I get out I. feel amazing yeah cuz you got I think. you've got this crazy like you said. Rapid River like it keeps circulating.

water so it's called the blue cube we. have it in here yeah that thing sucks. but it's awesome but you don't have to. have it on you can turn it off it's. still cold still cold as [ __ ] but if you. really want to experience the suff the. real suffer crank that [ __ ] up and it's. a raging River yeah this it pushes the. thermal layer away from you and it's. also like really well built it's an. awesome machine I can't recommend it. enough blue cubes are the [ __ ] I also at. my home I have a Morosco Forge which is. amazing to I've been in one of those.

yeah it's great it's cold as [ __ ] the. whole thing is just suffering the whole. thing is getting your body to adapt to. this insane environment making more. Brown fat elevating your cold shock. proteins and also ramping up your. dopamine in a significant manner when. you get out of there your dopamine ramps. up for 200% and it's like that for hours. I remember I I can't remember like I. used to do ice bass you know back way in. the day and I would sit in there for. like 30 minutes I mean it wasn't as cold. as it was but i' get out and I'd be.

euphoric I mean I would literally be. like Euphoria it was like I'd shiver but. I'd be like it was like I was happy for. like hours after that's what it is I. have a group of comedians that I'm. running in like a little comedy like a. comedy training boot camp get on. Carnivore too I am trying yes they're. all they're going to do it in January. I'm working them up to it now World. carnivore month when I first did it so. I've got them now where they're cold. plunging uh after workouts and. eventually like within the next couple.

weeks we're going to start with the cold. plunge which is that's next level that's. that's when it gets hard then I'm saying. look we go through I start them off. every workout starts out with 100 body. weight squats 100 push-ups we do and I. tell them if you can only do five do. five you don't have to do 100 you know. like I'm doing sets of 20 if you want to. do sets of five do five the most. important thing is we want to build a. base so so if you get to like five and. you're struggling stop right there I'm. not trying to kill anybody I'm just. trying to give you guys a base so you. have a good time so we're all laughing.

we're having a lot of fun I'm running. through these workouts we're doing it. three four days a week and then we get. in the cold Pune we get in the SAA first. which is the way I've been doing it with. them so they get to the point where. they're actually kind of looking forward. to the I don't [ __ ] around with the song. I get that [ __ ] up to 185° we sitting. there for 20 minutes if anybody. complains I throw water on the Rocks. like come on man this is this is the. whole I know you can do this I know you. don't want to do this but the whole idea. is when it's done you're going to feel. better because you did a thing that you.

didn't think you could do or you think. you had to quit and you don't have to. quit because sometimes they'll be in. there like I got to get out like no you. don't you have four more minutes you can. do anything for four minutes almost but. just [ __ ] concentrate concentrate and. relax and just deal with it count to 10. and then count to 10 again and then keep. doing that and eventually it'll be 4. minutes just do it and then afterwards I. get him in the cold. and when I get them in the cold they get. out they're like oh my God I feel. amazing I go don't you feel great so by. doing it this way where I'm just.

introducing them first to body weight. exercises then to very light kettle. bells you know like 12b swings cleans. presses some windmills uh then i' now. I've got them doing Renegade rows a. little bit more difficult you know and. then now I've got them doing you know. like um the Rogue uh glute ham machine. so I've got them doing like those. sit-ups where you hang low and come all. the way up I'm like if you only do three. do three I'm doing sets of 15 you don't. have to do what I'm doing just do.

because I've built up to this we're. going to do those then we're going to do. some back extensions I'm going to. strengthen your core going to do some. reverse squats with the the pulley. machine so we're going to do those with. 50% of your body weight if you can only. do two do two I want you to get up to 10. and we're going to do sets of 10. eventually but we're going to build a. base and so we build this base and now. these guys are [ __ ] happy they're. confident they're come into the green. room before the shows like dude I feel. [ __ ] great like yes because I mean. imagine like I mean you've been a comic. for a long time right and and that's got.

to be a love tough lifestyle though in a. way cuz you're out late at night all the. time drinking smoking partying I mean. are these guys because I mean obviously. the UFC fighters are a different breed. than the comics and are you finding that. like like in your own personal. experience that being in shape helps you. with your your your craft I mean I think. it helps you with everything in life. because it makes your mind mind function. better people want to think that the. mind the body are two separate things. they're not you're an entity Your. Existence is all symbiotic it's all.

working together if you eat better if. you rest look if I'm tired like if for. some reason I you know I had to travel. or this or that or something woke me up. and I'm not getting any sleep and I have. to do stand up and I have 4 hour sleep I. don't have as much juice you know I have. to drink like a couple espressos I have. to [ __ ] do some jumping jacks get my. brain fired up and then at night I'm. significantly more tired that day if I. sleep eight hours and I eat really good. food and I come in there I have more.

energy if you have more energy you'll be. better at everything you do there's not. a thing you can do other than sleep. where when you have less energy you do. it better nothing else so if you have. more energy you'll be better at comedy. you'll be better at talking to people. you'll be better at whatever the [ __ ] it. is you do whether you're an accountant. or a [ __ ] songwriter you'll be better. at it if you have more energy it's not. like mutually exclusive that you have to. be a drunk Fatso in order to be a funny. comedian it's just not true a lot of.

drunk fatos are funny comedians because. they're wild impulsive people and that's. fun to watch but they can still be all. those things and be. healthy yeah I mean I I you know I not. not a comic I did some stupid skips were. kind of funny but it takes a lot of. creativity intelligence to be funny I. mean I mean you would know that I mean. it's like it's something that a lot of. comics are very very intelligent people. I mean I would you know yes there's a. lot of a lot of my friends are. surprisingly funny a lot of them are.

uneducated but they're also very smart. they're very smart they're very what you. call it street smart or wise they get. things they understand people they're. armchair psychologists they understand. what makes people think and behave like. Patrice O'Neal is one of the greatest. comics of all time he was diabetic and. he was a a big overweight guy but he was. brilliant and he had an understanding of. human psychology that came from life. experience and whatever [ __ ] he went. through when he was younger that he.

brought to the stage and he would have. been better if he was healthy which is. crazy CU he was so good already so so. these guys that are training with you. are they all they all live in Austin or. local comics and so so they're they. you've got like a new like a club or. something like that right the comedy. Mothership that's in that's downtown or. something yeah so these guys are all. guys that I work with all the time. so if I'm doing shows there Tuesday. Wednesday and Thursday I'm doing shows. with these guys so there's like a really. cool camaraderie and Brotherhood with. all these guys and we all work out.

together and you know it's like I don't. like that term team building because I. don't think about it as like a corporate. environment but there's something to. that like we're all brothers and we get. together and we have fun together and. they're learning they're learning they. like oh my God this actually makes me. feel better and I was never they were. never involved in anything like this. before they never had like organized. workouts on a regular basis. but the fact that they're all going. through it together as beginners and. that they're getting Guided by someone. like me who loves them and who is.

already fit and they can see the. benefits and I'm telling them dude keep. going you will have a [ __ ] six-pack. before no but before you know it you. will be better you will feel healthier. change your diet change what you do. change how you live your life make sure. you get your sleep in start taking. vitamins you just start listen athletic. greens is the [ __ ] easiest thing to. take take a scoop put in water spin it. up you got vitamins do give your [ __ ]. body the nutrients it deserves do these. things and you will feel better yeah I.

mean is there ever like I mean there's. some like I can remember through the. years like John Belushi John Candy these. giant you know they all died early right. you drugs or whatever probably thec. didn't help them but is there a danger. of like once you become that role like. you're the big heavy guy you got to stay. that way to get the jobs I mean like. maybe in Hollywood and stuff like that. yeah in Hollywood if you want to be a. big fat guy in movies yeah my advice. sucks you know lose your job but you. don't have to be the big F guy like. what's the guy that he's like I guess.

Seth or something like that he's like a. redheaded kid he was uh Seth Rogan no. not Seth Rogan was another no I can't. remember the guy's name anyway he was a. big chubby kid and he lost a lot of. weight and I can't remember what his. name was but he was in like super bad or. something like oh yeah um Jonah Hill. yeah yeah him so he's like leaned out. but he's still he still has a career I. guess of course he does talented but. also those movies that he used to be in. they don't [ __ ] make those anymore. cuz the the woke PC culture just [ __ ].

through water on that fire I mean they. used to make movies like Tropic Thunder. if you made a movie like Tropic Thunder. today everyone's going to. jail meanwhile it's one of the greatest. comedies of all time or super bad he. couldn't make super bad today Jesus. Christ the backlash would be insane yeah. it's it's crazy how like I don't know I. mean I guess I guess I like like. Generation X is the toughest generation. you know it's kind of like you know yeah. but there's a lot of like really funny. guys like Andrew Schultz is a perfect. example one of the best Comics alive.

he's fit he's thin he's smart he doesn't. party and he's you know he's still. hilarious you don't have to be dying to. be a good comic it's not necessary yeah. there's uh I saw there's a there's a. comedian his name is Brent pellet you. know who he is have you ever seen him he. does like lot a lot of like these carniv. diyet things and stuff they did a are. you do you know a place called hop Dy. have you heard of that place it's a. burger Hamburg Place hamburger place so. my friend is one of the executives over. there and they had they had like.

impossible burger and beyond meat on. their menu for a while and he was like. pissed off about it cuz he's kind of. Carnival leaning they were kept trying. to get get rid of it get rid of it and I. think one of them paid like a million. dollars to keep it on the menu it was. like it was like ridiculous they were. just you know obviously forcing this on. the population and Beyond me it's just. like tank nobody wants that stuff you is. it crazy how the stock went from like. 250 like three years ago now it's like. five bucks it's like you know not only. that they're [ __ ] getting sued like. people that are that were shareholders.

are suing oh for for yeah and it's it's. like so hopy made a video like we're. getting rid of beyond meat and they. threw it in the garbage and this comic. PR pel making this funny little it's. like a three minute funny video and and. Beyond me actually sent them a cease and. toist stopped making fun of. us which how can you say that I don't. know I guess they did I they said see. don't make fun of us anymore how can you. send a cease and desist for making fun. of something that's what they did it was. just funny so yeah I don't think you. have to obey that well I don't know if. it's part of culture kind of fun you. could you can make fun of anything in.

culture it's uh in America you see what. they're doing in what is it Ireland. Ireland is re they're trying to pass. some law where if you have memes on your. possession so if you have something in. your possession that could be used to. marginalize or incite violence which is. very open-ended like something funny. could be used to incite violence in. their ridiculous ideology that you could. be arrested for that yeah wasn't there a.

guy that would was was sentenced to jail. for having a meme about Hillary Clinton. recently no he created um he created a. parody meme about Hill Hillary Clinton. and he went to jail for it though. something happened it's like it's like. crazy I don't know if he went to jail or. if he was convicted of something I don't. know what the sentence was but yeah and. this was because that they were what. were they saying that was like Jamie. will find it but it's something. egregious because it was a very subtle.

parody where you could say that this was. just not true these are falsehoods so. here it is man who spread misinformation. on Trump's behalf sentenced to seven. months the man Douglas Mackey spread. internet memes meant to fool people into. not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016. so what were the memes let's find out. what the memes. were show okay but let's find out what. the thing evidence show hold up Scroll. up a little bit evidence show that the.

participants discuss generating interest. in emails stolen from the Clinton. campaign by Russia portraying Miss. Clinton as a warmonger and promoting the. claim that she had cheated during the. primaries to get supporters of Senator. birdie Sanders to hate not just Hillary. but the Democratic party itself Mr. Mackey published uh pushed the hashtag. uh WR in Bernie hashtag wrin Bernie. evidence showed and stated that women.

and naturalized citizens should not be. allowed to vote he also wrote that black. people were unintelligent and gullible. and suggested spreading a hashtag hash. never vote in Black social media spaces. yeah but here's the thing like this was. all. parody this I'm 90% sure let's find out. what he actually made but it I remember. looking at the things that he made and. going well that is if you didn't know.

any better well I mean you think like. today with the AI stuff I mean I know. you've had like fake AI Joe rogans right. [ __ ] there's going to be stuff that are. just like they're going to take. something and make you say something. that you never would have said and you. they're already doing that they're. already selling I don't know what to do. I don't know what I can do they're I'm. selling big dick pills and I'm selling. all kinds of stuff online rappers are. using me to promote themselves like I'm. talking about this is the hottest rapper. alive and you know it's it's an AI gener. you can't if you can't do anything. against that I don't know what you can.

do what what can anyone do I mean it's. well I guess you could ask Instagram to. take it down but Instagram has some wild. [ __ ] up in the algorithm now I I see. murders every day now every Tom seura. and I have this thing where every day we. send each other the worst [ __ ] that we. can find and because of that my. algorithm is now conditioned to show me. the worst. oh my God like every day it's people. getting pulverized yeah but they're. banning like I saw Chad Mendes you know. Chad Mendes the UFC gu they took down.

his hunting photos saying you can't put. up hunting photos you're showing murders. and all this other crap on there it's. crazy well I think they're doing it from. these like really sketchy accounts and. they just make thousands of the these. accounts put put that up there it says. Twitter user convicted for false voting. information not Hillary Clinton memes. fact check okay but this is like who are. the fact Che USA Today it's just [ __ ]. mainstream go back to that. please oh sorry the pop up out popped up.

um so scroll down and what what is it. saying uh Instagram post direct link. scroll back up let I can read that um. includes a screenshot a post on X. formally Twitter that claims social. media user is being imprisoned for. political memes breaking Twitter user. Douglas Mackey sentenced to 7 months in. prison for being found guilty of. election interference from making memes. disparaging Hillary Clinton reads the. post which links to a post-millennial. story making the same claim it received. more than 7,000 likes in two days.

another version of the post shared on X. by right-wing commentator denesh duza. received nearly 1,300 shares and scroll. that down okay our rating false making. memes disparaging political figures is. not illegal Mackey was sentenced for. posting memes that encourag Clinton. supporters to vote via text message. which is not a valid way to vote let's. can we let's see if we can find the. memes I mean that's I had a link for it. but okay but no no that's a direct link.

to something that said he was sentenced. to prison for uh political commentary. generally would have the meme in that. these posts though so that's why yeah. does it I don't I mean we had to have to. check let's see you were going to goag. no that's that's that's them doing that. that's different let's see if he can. find what his memes were that he made. Douglas Macky memes there there they go. okay that's not really a meme though. either kind of is save time avoid the. line vote from home text Hillary to.

59925 and we'll make history together. this November 8th okay that's borderline. right because that is kind of. misinformation I don't think the guy. should go to jail for it but like click. on that one in the upper right hand. corner yeah that one says vote for her. vote from home post Hillary using hash. presidential election. yeah this is definitely not true there's. nothing funny about that. right right that is yeah that's. different this one avoid the line vote.

from home text Hillary yeah okay so I. wonder how many people got fooled by. that it said over five like somewhere in. the range of 5,000 people texted one of. those numbers or something like that I'm. sure I'm sure they did because if you. saw that and you go oh all I have to do. is this and I don't have to vote in. person yeah if you're not aware I could. see how that could could get you so. that's that's yeah that's a little. different than a meme I mean it's kind. of a meme but it really is mean that.

kind of falls under misinformation I. don't think the guy should go to jail. for it but it pro you probably shouldn't. be allowed to maybe lose your account or. something like that yeah because I've. been you know I got banned remember I. got banned from Twitter for like a year. you know just for what I don't know I. mean it was they said they said there. was like a a copyrighted music like. music playing in the background on one. of my videos we're going to ban you for. life and I was like ban me for Life what. did I you know it's like there's people. out here putting you know promoting. murder and death and they're on there. and I'm like the taliban's on there.

right exactly it's kind of it's not that. it was that you were promoting this. alt-right lifestyle of eating meat only. well an exercise exercise very. problematic Sean it is it is problem you. can't have people eating meat and being. healthy and working out that's [ __ ] up. I don't know why you did and I hope. you've changed your ways well I'm. working on that so like I said we talked. about that debate with the wacko vegan. oh my God that was my favorite one. you've ever done so I don't know when. this took place but I just discovered. Rec it was like two weeks ago I just.

discovered a couple of days ago but you. are debating this guy and uh you by the. way you played this brilliantly where. you just had this like little smile on. your face and you let him talk and this. guy was saying that you've never met a. vegan Like Me Not only do I not think. that you should eat me cuz you were. talking about the animal King little. about the animal kdom like in he like oh. I don't think the animal kingdom should. exist I think we should replace it with. human infrastructure he was saying that. he thinks that all animal prey pre.

predators and prey that's all. problematic and we shouldn't have any of. that so he's for eliminating all animal. life yeah yeah it's it's kind of bizar. it's like I was just like I don't even. have to say anything it's not even a. debate all I got to do is just let you. talk for like by the way where does this. [ __ ] think fertilizer comes from. where where how you going to grow your. vegetables like what are you going to do. he doesn't care about that he he he said. basically I don't care if you kill. billions of creatures to grow avocados.

it doesn't matter to me that that's fine. um even if they were he said even he. went as far as say even if they were. humans you were slaughtering to produce. crops that I eat that's fine but if you. feed it for a cow and then kill the cow. that's a rights violation that's a. problem I'm like and then he was like he. said he won the debate because I said I. probably wouldn't need a homo erectus. you know like he said well if we could. bring back something that's close to. human homo sapian but not exactly trying. to get me to say it's okay to eat humans. but but that's the only that's how he. won the debate that's well that's how he. claims he wanted the debate because so.

if you say I don't think you should eat. orangutans right right right then you're. he won then he won that was the whole. thing it was just like it was just it. was just bizarre I was just it was funny. I mean it was hilarious but well he's in. a cult you know whether he realizes it. or not he's in a cult and this cult is. not it's it's not based on any objective. assessment of the reality of biological. life on Earth it's just not it's like to. say that you think all animal life. should die are you including insects. because if you include insects then.

you're including bees then you're. there's no pollination you know like. what are you saying well I mean we our. species we if there were no animals we. would all be dead too everything would. be gone so it's like you know it's. almost like well you don't really seem. like you fit too well on this plude you. well I think that's a deeply unhappy. person that's probably very depressed. and and also a contrarian to the point. of complete illogical thinking like the. idea that you would think that all.

predator and prey animals that exist on. Earth including Africa in the wild like. areas where there are no human beings. ever and these animals All coexisted In. This Very balanced food chain where you. have predators and prey and the. Predators keep the prey out animals in. check and that there's this like balance. in terms of population the fact that you. think that human beings should somehow. or another stop that and replace it with.

human infrastructure that's basically. what he's saying right yeah yeah yeah. pave it all over with a parking lot and. and grow food in a factory and what see. if you can find that guy it's hilarious. because I don't think he understands. like plants literally survive on. biological material that is being broken. down by the natural process and. converted into fertilizer it's liter. there's this symbiotic relationship they. breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe.

out oxygen we breathe in oxygen we. breathe out carbon dioxide the more. carbon dioxide which is a a real problem. with the whole climate crisis things the. Earth's literally never been greener in. observable history right now with the. higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. you literally have a greening of the. Earth the whole thing is super. complicated and to try to boil it down. into some very easy to follow way.

because it supports your ideology is. what most people are doing yeah Jame if. you go to my Instagram like a couple. back like uh there was that I think it's. like I I take on the final vegan boss or. something like that it was like did you. put those seed oil bottles behind no he. did that was his because he he's a big. prona he thinks you know there's a whole. argument about you know you should be. drinking gallons of canola oil and it. makes you healthy so he did. this give me some volume and and refresh. this so I could hear what this guy says. because it's it's really.

funny world into non-existence right. like I think the wild I think the. natural world is actually morally. problematic and I advocate for its. non-existence go can you expand upon. that what does that mean you advocate. for getting rid of the natural world and. we liveing a oh absolutely yeah the the. natural world is filled with death and. destruction things I find morally. problematic. so I wouldn't what would you replace. that with human. infrastructure human infrastructure and. we do a and you're saying we would do a. better job as humans yeah I would even.

go so far as I think the end goal should. be to ditch this ball because it's a. liability in and of itself but a lot of. people might find that problematic fine. people are free to think that I have a. weird position just on that se like do. you see where he's coming from there I. haven't given this I can I can see his. argument I would disagree with that. pretty I don't that if you make human. infrastructure over where there is. usually a huge amount of suffering and. death and rights violations most likely. this so I guess if we're calling a.

rights violation a lion eating a zebra. is that would that fall under your. definition of a rights violation on my. definition you okay interesting so who's. the other guy obviously that is a I'll. tell you this so the other guy's a name. he's a he's a vegan activist his name is. James aspy and he would justed be like a. drug addict and I vegan and and he was. like he made this like rap video saying. I wouldn't I was afraid of him and. wouldn't debate him and I I was like. okay whatever so so he he wanted but he. wanted a partner to to debate with me. and I said I don't going bring somebody. on and this this is the other guy he. picked as his backup as his I'm like.

he's probably regretting he brought this. guy on now because he's like such a. wacko but uh well that the guy that. you're the other guy not the final vegan. boss but the other guy is like don't you. see his point exactly exactly writes. violations exct rights violations so a. mountain line eating a mu deer is a. rights violation well then I asked him I. asked him cuz I then I go on to ask him. I say well what about the lion that. needs to eat doesn't he have any rights. he goes oh I don't care about them I'm. like oh god so let's eat them let's eat.

the Lions let's only eat predators no. that's a rights violation too a right. violation too yeah they're they're. they're they're bizarre it's kind of. well it's just a complete it it's. convenient thinking that's not based on. facts and if you mean it's one of the. things that's been discussed ad nauseum. but Ted nent covered it yeah that if you. want to kill the most things eat a vegan. diet if you're think like you made this. argument that one cow like one cow is. one life and it's probably better to eat.

cows because if you eat a cow that's an. enormous animal and you could eat that. cow for like six months yeah how long. how long's an elk last you Joe months. yeah months it's I was just so hundreds. of pounds yeah I was just in Oregon and. that's the end of the Lewis and Clark. Trail right and you read back there if. you ever read like the history of the. Lewis and Clark Exposition those guys. were eating up to 9 lbs of meat a day. when they had a lot of game they would. like they had 31 dudes and they would go. through like every day they go through. four deer or an elk and a deer or. Buffalo bear stuff like that have you.

ever eaten bear I've never had it how's. it taste I got some here you can have. some I'd like to try it be aesome I'll. I'll give you some awesome yeah cam Han. shot a bear and he turned it into. pepperoni sticks what kind of bear was. it black bear black bear yeah but you. can eat grizzly bears too the problem. with bears is well not the real problem. in Society is that people view them as. what uh my friend Steve reell likes to. call charismatic megap yeah because we. think of it as like Yogi Bear and only.

you can prevent forest fires and you. know teddy bears and all that [ __ ] not. teddy bears but yeah they're [ __ ]. giant Predators but when you eat uh. Grizzlies and you eat um particularly. brown bear that are coastal which are. the really large ones they're eating a. lot of fish and they might taste like. [ __ ] whereas if you get a black bear. that is munching on blueberries they're. Sensational Steve Rell says it's some of. the best meat he's ever eaten in his. life and when there's a video of him see.

if you could find uh Steve Rella. blueberry bear um so they specifically. Target these fall bears that are eating. blueberries and when he opens it up he. says they smell like blueberries their. fat is purple and he said the meat is. delicious so this is an interesting. thing because this is like watch this so. that's uh so this is him right what he's. doing now this is Steve after he's shot. the animal and these are pieces of me. that he's corded up and so he's taken.

this fat and um this fat has a blue see. how it has like a blue hue to it yeah. that's from the berry and see give me. some. volume does it say anything Oh's good. stuff right there so he's going to start. see he's up in Alaska or something like. is he well he uh he lives in Montana but. he has a A Fish Shack in Alaska and uh I. think I believe he was hunting them in. uh. Alaska cuz that's where you know like.

you just he's he'll specifically Target. them where they're eating blueberries. getting in the C line here but want some. rare some red. meat there's some good stuff and so what. he's doing now is he's going to use a. jet boil right on the hip yeah yeah and. he's going to cook the meat in the fat. kind so that fat if you look at it it's. got like a blue hue to it like a a. reddish blue hue to it from blueberries. so he cooks that down there gets the oil. gets it fat and then he dunks way you.

can do this you can actually put so he. gets a bunch of hot melted fat and then. he cooks it's like CFI like a cfy duck. yeah you have to make sure you cook it. to 150 plus degrees to avoid chosis I. forget what the number is that fat will. line up sitting on top of the water but. for deep frying. meat it's better to have pure oil but if. you just wanted oil out to drink just if. you needed like you know a quick energy. charge you can do it that way a lot.

faster than rendering it like this my. brother one time I watched he like. rendered a a mug full of bear fat and. just drank it like coffin that's how. good that stuff is and Hunters like. Daniel Boone I mean that guy would shoot. Bears just for oil you could sell the. stuff it was a marketable. commodity you can continue to cook these. fat pieces down down down and they just. want be crispy little treats like little. pork how hard is it to Bear to get a. bear tag like it's not that hard. depending on where you go they're. they're overpopulated in a lot of areas.

okay you want to hear something crazy. what state would you think has the. largest population of bears per capita. per capita yeah take guys per capita. Wyoming New Jersey New Jersey New Jersey. has a real bear a lot of people live in. true Jersey I know a kid a few years. back who was going to ruter got killed. by a bear out there wow black bears or. black bear yeah black bears are more. likely for some reason to kill people. for food whereas brown bears and grizzly. bears generally they kill people because.

they get startled or it's a mama in her. Cubs I had a black bear walk through my. backyard it was like got it on video. like up in Washington pretty cool yeah. it's pretty good my my uh my spouse is. taking a bath she heard the dogs bark. and she looks out there's a freaking. bear walking I was out of town she's. like oh my God there's a bear but the. interesting thing you know it's about. the blue you said about the blue stuff. in the fat so so and I Jam I've got a. paper I think it's from Stephan van. about phytonutrients in meat so we talk. about phytonutrients right you got to. you got to get all your plants get your. phytonutrients meat actually contains.

thousands of phytonutrients so when. those animals graze they actually absorb. that phytonutrients and it goes into. their fat into their tissue and so you. actually get it in in almost as much or. even more than you can get in Plants. because we all we ignore that but meat. like uh Stephan van vet who is a. researcher out of initially out of Duke. he's not like Utah State um showed that. meat has something like 50,000 unique. compounds it's not just amino acids and. a little bit of you know vitamins and. minerals it's 50,000 unique compounds. and many of them are phytonutrients so.

it's pretty amazing so cuz like a bear. can eat a hell of a lot more than I can. right yeah Health promoting Photon. nutrients are higher and grass-fed meat. and milk but you don't necessarily. gravitate towards grass-fed I do both. you know it's one of those things that. you know I mean I don't know what your. opinion is on taste I mean I know you. like a lot a lot a lot of elk and so I. you know I get it's kind of funny cuz I. become like the Meathead guy right like. everybody I get a lot of ranchers to. send me stuff they're like here have. some have some have some free meat I'm. like yeah I'll eat that stuff and I get.

you know I get a little bit of. everything I get some really crazy like. there's a there's a well one in Colorado. Colorado craft beef which jao has. invested in he's they're part of that. partnership um they got really good meat. but it's it's it's you know it's pasture. raay and then they feed it they finish. it out themselves and they have their. own facility but there's like one in. like Mont. they they finish their cows out on uh. Sprouts which is kind of interesting and. Sprouts can grow like you don't even. need light all you need is water and you. grow and they they grow very massively.

and so this guy said in a building. that's like 40 by 60 he can grow enough. Sprouts to finish out 400 headed cattle. which takes up almost no room it's like. amazing so it's called maffy Ranch beef. up in Montana and they're trying to you. know trying to spread this because you. think about we're talking about how do. we sustainably feed people more meat. because I think that's a real issue and. that's you know one of those things. that's that's out there so it's kind of. because I I think you know again I don't. think everybody needs to be on Carnival. but I do think we should probably eat.

less junk food and more meat I mean I. think that would be a clear win for for. society in general and it's like well. how do you do that I mean we used to. have you know this is this goes back to. the beef check off I mean their job is. to promote beef but since 1977 our beef. consumption in the US is down like 30. 40% and yet diseases are going up so. it's like the exact opposite direction. and literally like half a million. Ranchers have gone out of business since. the 70s I mean it's like you know we. talk about 3,000 ranches or 3,000 Farms. closing in in the Netherlands half a. million have gone on a business here in.

the US which is crazy so I'm always. trying to support your local Rancher you. know what whatever your preferences but. you know get these guys out there. because I don't know I mean these guys. are good I mean just like everybody El I. mean the ranchers are hardworking people. I think they're one of the backbones of. this country I mean you know you get. people that that feed you I mean what. cuz it used to be back in you know 200. years ago everybody had produce their. own food now you got like 2% of the. population feeding all the rest of us. and I mean you you know I mean I had. Walt Harris uh Will Harris Will Harris.

Will Harris and his uh sorry will and. his daughter uh Jenny on recently and. they explained and I've had will on. twice and he explained his uh situation. where he developed this regenerative. farm from what used to be an. industrialized F and how difficult it. was I'm reading his book right now by. the way yeah I've interviewed will. before I've to all these regenerative. guys and I'm totally for that I think. it's wonderful it's great it improves. the ecosystem it's like something we. need more of it's just you know. incentivizing the guys because a lot of.

the guys are on like more kind of a a. commodity beef as he likes to call it he. doesn't like it anymore but a lot of. those guys are like I I just I'm worried. I'm going to go out of business if I try. this because maybe they're maybe they're. up in North Dakota where it's snows all. the time and they're like where am I. going to get the alpha Alf and the hay. to feed the stuff and it's just it's. kind of a you know it's what you have to. do yeah he's lucky he's in Georgia well. he's in a good place he's like he adits. I've got perfect land for this and not. everybody has that so but he's also. recreating nature in a contained. environment which is really what we.

should all be striving for what we want. is these animals to exist in a way. that's ethical Humane and that they. exist in a way that they have existed. for hundreds of thousands of years yeah. and that's how they're healthy and you. if you eat that you will be healthier. there's no pesticides herbicides no no. [ __ ] involved well that's the cuz. you've heard of glyphosate right they. spray it on everything they've been. spraying on everything since I don't. know the 1980s or something like that. now it's showing up in your urine yeah. and it's most of it accumulates in like.

grains and legumes and stuff like that's. where it's most densely found so if you. want to avoid that stuff don't eat that. stuff eat you know more of a meat based. because because mammals basically you. know break it down so it doesn't really. show up in their meat and their milk. very much it's very very limited but. it's you know it's like these these guys. that are do regenerative they don't they. don't need any herbicides they don't. need any pesticides get rid of all that. stuff saves them money in the long run. but it's it's it's like like they said. you got to go through the threat of. going out of business for five years or.

six years before you can make it which. is well it took him like 20 years to. convert that farm yeah which is an. amazing task that he achieved and but. because of that he's like a Shining. Light to all these people we should I. mean we should subsidize that stuff. that's what we should do instead of. subsidizing all these wheat and grain. and corn Commodities which go you know. potato chips and garbage yeah well. that's what's crazy about you know we we. demonized Russia but Putin banned GMO. Foods well do you see what they did in. Italy Maloney said no no lab grown meat.

cuz that's another thing you know that's. cuz you know the plant like people have. caught on to the Beyond burgers and. impossible meat it's just all Ultra. processed garbage and nobody and the. people are speaking with their with. their wallet which is when I look at you. know when I look at all the corporate. sort of malfeasance and the the. corporate influence you know the. corporations own the politician would. you you got to know that I mean they're. they're paying the politicians and you. know more in one way or the other and. it's like what can I do as a is a what. can I do as a lone individual and it's.

like all you can do really is vote with. your pocketbook and just every time you. go to the store and you buy that. [ __ ] that crappy food you're putting. more money in their pockets and they. they have more power over you and so I'm. just like you got to you got to turn it. around so in a perfect world they would. invest all their money into regenerative. farming and they would change if people. change their it and they realize look. the only thing people are buying is. grass-fed meat and organic vegetables. all from regenerative Organic Farms if. that really became something that was.

sustainable they would try to pursue. that yeah no I think I think the market. will dictate where things go and it's. just convincing the market that hey look. you know if you want to continue to be. sad and depressed and miserable keep. doing what you're doing but you got to. change it you know you got to make a big. change and that's what you know. I mean we be told not to do it just like. that USDA study hey 91% processed food. diet that's say okay keep eating this. way so crazy it is crazy it's that's. what what makes that sort of propaganda.

so Insidious it's like you're literally. holding back people from Gaining health. and gaining control of their health and. you're the evidence is clear in terms of. you just look at what people used to. look like and what they look like now. something's wrong something's really. wrong and all that comes from diet yeah. 100% secondary style and diet well. that's but I mean I will say this and. because you I mean I'm sure you agree. that what distinguishes healthy people. that age in a very healthy matter I mean. diet is important and I'm a huge. proponent of diet but physical activity.

and and exercise is such a huge I mean I. don't care what diet you are you need to. be taking care of your health and and I. think you know because I hear because I. I hear it all the time oh you're in your. 50s you need to slow down you need to. you not you need not be doing that stuff. because you're going to get hurt and. it's time to get down but I I mean I've. heard that since I've been 20 30 oh. you're 30 you got to slow down yeah I. think once you lose capacity like you. know if if you say like my 100% was here. and then you say I'm not going to do. 100% anymore I'm just going to do 90%. well that 90% is now you're 100% yeah.

and then you keep doing it and all of a. sudden it's like you know walking down. the street is now a chore you know right. and you see so many people it's like uh. I had a guy talked to me about I thought. it was a good this guy Nam Ted non he's. a doctor that I interviewed one time he. said you know what happens is over life. you have this sort of spectrum of things. you can do this is me laying in bed and. this is me doing back flips right and. then it get smaller and smaller and. smaller eventually you're like all I can. do is walk around the house and then I. can do the laying bed and then you're. dead so you need to keep this as broad.

as possible and that's why I say when. people say you need to slow down I'm. like [ __ ] man I'm going to you know. you got to be trained you got to train. smart you don't get hurt but you need to. push yourself well also if anybody. watches your workouts clearly you don't. need to slow down cuz you're doing some. pretty extraordinary stuff and you're. deep into your 50s yeah just like you. same thing right yeah and we were kids. we were told that when you get into your. 50s it's over you know it's have you. ever seen the those images where they. show like AR Archie Bunker and Judith. bunker when they're like in they're like.

they're like 38 I'm like [ __ ] Sanford. was like 48 when he was Sanford and Sons. crazy big belly gray hair I can't. believe that stuff yeah they weren't. healthy they didn't take care of. themselves they didn't they didn't work. out but if you look at some people today. like yourself and it's like will you. look at like guys like Stallone and and. Schwarz and 70s now and they're still. like I mean granted you know they're. taking stuff but I mean at the same. point we've never had a time in human. history where we've experienced people. that are pushing it that way and still. training hard into the late years and.

I've seen you know I've seen people like. in their 90s I saw a guy who's 91 years. old he's deadlifting 405 for a triple at. 90 and he only weighs like 148 that's. incredible it's like where did this guy. come from so it's like what is going to. be possible and you know you know like I. said I don't know I always the longevity. stuff I was like I don't know I mean I. don't think anybody really really knows. I think you're just speculating and my. thing is like let's get healthy today. let's stop being sick and then and then. just keep doing that and then if if you.

live extra long great but you know. because a lot of people say well if you. eat a carnivore diet you're going to die. have a heart attack at 60 I'm like I. don't know that that's true I mean maybe. I will but I don't think that's I don't. think we have enough data to support. that what I can say is like if you're. sick you're diabetic you're fat you're. high blood pressure I can fix that by. diet let's just do that and I think we. would just focus on that instead of like. protecting people from cancer when. they're 90 yeah which is like you don't. even know it's just the evidence is so. bad on that stuff well what we know what.

you can do for what you are right now. where you are right now that if you. change your diet and you eat healthier. foods and you exercise you'll feel. better you'll be better that's a fact. yeah whether or not you're looking at. like look clearly these people that are. eating off the twinkie tree they're not. worried about being 100 50 years old. either like that's this is nonsense and. that's a a [ __ ] argument like you're. going to get of a heart attack you're. going to die young and and what you're. sedentary lifestyle eating [ __ ] Oreos. you're going to be okay well you I mean.

there's some people that say we've only. got a limited number of heartbeats and I. don't want to you've heard that argument. I'm just like what you got to be crazy. but that's based on who and what like. based on what says says who that doesn't. make any sense it doesn't make any sense. do do we have a number of calf. contractions that you're allowed to have. your heart is a muscle like who says if. your heart is healthier because your. whole body is healthier you're more. metabolically healthy I would imagine. that everything's healthier your brain. you're like people that are fit and.

older their brains work better. everything works better just good let me. hey Jamie there's a picture of a gal. with blonde hair do you see that one I. just want to I just want to show this. gal because it's quite interesting. because people are asking where's the. people that have been doing Carnival for. a while so this is there's a Rancher her. name is Maggie I can't remember maybe. Maggie white or some she's up in Alberta. can she's been doing supposedly a. carnivore diet since she's like 15 she's. now. 82 and if you can find a picture she. just looks like that's her she's 82. that's insane and she's busting her ass.

working on a ranch every day uh she's. learning Spanish cuz she's getting tired. how the Canadian government is screwing. a ranch she she wants to move down to. Bolivia and start a new Ranch in Bolivia. she's 82 learning's starting a new Ranch. in Bolivia at 82 that's that's a current. picture and a friend of mine went to go. visit her and like looked at her birth. certificate and her driver like she that. and that's literally what she looks like. at 82 so it's like well that's 82 years. of no [ __ ] in your body being. Physically Active it's amazing it can do. that for you so we'll see what happens. you know like I said if the vegans are. right we're you and I are dropping dead.

of a heart attack in six months and and. you they're going to drop dead too. listen that's that's the funny thing so. I had a you know talking about debating. to vegans well I I used to not do it. because it's such a waste I find out it. was a waste of time but now I'm kind of. humoring it just because I don't know I. guess I'm bored but well listen if you. can get a result like the guy with the. canola oil behind him that's amazing. entertainment it was I thought it was it. didn't I didn't learn anything except. how crazy these people are but I had a. guy that I was like you know he's saying. well you know you're going to get cancer. heart disease and I said hey well what.

what do you think vegans are dying of. right what what do you think they die of. and he goes well I don't know skiing. accidents and I was like that's [ __ ]. man they're all tied skiing so if they. didn't ski they'd live forever right. right so I I go that's so I looked it up. and I looked I I looked up studies that. actually had end points of death on. vegans and number one cause of death is. heart disease and cancer it's like you. guys have the same thing everybody else. so all you gota all those years of. suffering and farting and pretending you. know virtue like for what you Dro de. anyway well another part of the problem.

is they've become attached to an. ideology that's very difficult for them. to escape and when they do try to escape. that ideology they get attacked oh it's. amazing by their people oh my god there. was this one vegan influencer who ate a. piece of salmon and just felt amazing I. believe so and then they started [ __ ]. attack hacking her and she was crying. and oh but immediately started feeling. better because she's giving her body. what she needs how many of these people. are suffering and how many like if you.

think of the vitriol that comes from the. vegan community and so much anger and so. much hate and and hor just horrible. things they say about people what how. much of that is based on like hurt. people hurt people right how much of. that is based on them being in pain and. them being in agony whether it's mental. anguish because they're brain's not. functioning well their body's not. they're overwhelmed with inflammation. their guts are filled with fiber well I. mean if you imagine like if you. literally like believe the ideology. really hard you literally hate almost.

all of humanity it's like every 99 out. of 100 people you see you're like I hate. you because you're a murderer right you. know it's just like how do you how do. you even live in that Society where you. literally hate every human being around. you I mean it's got to be crazy it's not. good for you yeah that's not good yeah. for sure yeah there was a guy in that. movie game Changers you know that vegan. Sports film and uh he was he was he was. going to be in the movie They had they. had filmed all stuff his name was team. she Tim sheath he was like an obstacle. course like you know those obstacle race. guys right ninja guy American ninja type.

thing and he was like the vegan Prince. like they loved him and then he said he. got sick and he was like I couldn't do. it anymore and they like literally threw. him out of the. movie well there's so many stories of. that that's what's fascinating there's. so many stories of people who were vegan. that had to abandon it including a lot. of celebrities that have come out and. when they do that they get attacked they. get attacked viciously instead of people. going interesting that's an interesting. point of data instead of saying it that. way you're going against an ideology. it's not about facts it's not about the.

reality of the science or what we know. about nutrition in the human body it's. about being attached to this ideology. that makes you Superior morally to the. people that are around you yeah that's I. always laugh when they say I'm going to. eat this guilt-free whatever salad I'm. like no it's there's a lot of things. that die to get that salad but they just. like oh that that doesn't count or you. know it's kind of kind of crazy but I. mean you know but they'll point out. there are some I mean there literally. are people that do reasonably well on a. vegan diet I mean you probably see they.

always I don't know if you know I mean. I'm sure you know him they talk about. Nate Diaz you know he's a UFC not vegan. that's what I heard I he eat fish and. stuff like that but they always point to. Nate Diaz right they point to him as the. the guy like novic jackovic who also is. not vegan but they keep pointing to him. it's just kind of like as he also eats. fish and stuff like that how about when. they put athletes on vegan diets they. get these catastrophic injuries yeah. yeah Cam Newton was was the prototype. for that I mean there's a bunch of those. guys because you're not getting a lot of. the things that you need you're not. getting creatine unless you're.

supplementing you're not getting you're. not getting T torine carnosine carnitine. I mean all these things that are either. conditionally beneficial or absolutely. needed and and you're just not seeing. that so we see that like there was. a a depression study Stanford University. 2018 people had maer depressive. disorders have low levels of carnitine. where do you get carnitine from you. pretty much only get it from animal. products and so just like it's like your. brain turns back on Le people say like. their brain reset when they got the. right food so yeah well listen man uh.

I'm glad you're out there preaching the. gospel and uh I'm glad you're still. alive all these years later he's still. healthy and everything's fine and uh I. think what you're doing is important cuz. I think uh people need to understand. that we've been kind of Hoodwinked in. more ways than one and that there's a. you can kind of follow the chain of. evidence and you can figure out how this. happened and why this happened and it's. not to preserve your health and it's. it's not it's not evidence-based and. when you look at the real evidence that.

supports vegan diets and and supports. that meat is bad for you find out that. that's a bunch of chicanery too there's. a lot of [ __ ] going on there and so. I'm glad you're out there Sean. appreciate appreciate giving me the. platform to talk on this joke because I. think it like I said it's literally it's. helping people and I think anything that. helps people we should be in favor of. and and like like I said I think when. because we're seeing people are like. saying we need to shut down meat we. can't eat it anymore and I think that's. a really it's going to have some really. bad unintended consequences back so tell. everybody where they can find your.

content and your social media yeah yeah. so uh uh first thing company river.com. re if you want to you know get get your. health taken care of uh all 5050 States. um I'm on social media Instagram Sean S. A WN Baker b a k r 1967 on Twitter I'm. at sbaker MD uh I've got a YouTube. channel it's Sean Baker MD and that's. that's that's mostly where I'll be all. right brother thanks for being here. appreciate you apprciate all right bye.

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