Joe Rogan Experience #2062 - Will & Jenni Harris

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day welcome back will how are you sir. good thank you please introduce the. world to your daughter good my middle. daughter uh Jenny Harris who is uh used. to work for me but now I work for. her get used to it that's got to be. interesting well we'll tell you about.

please do and you guys are the first. people to ever bring dirt to the studio. so I want to thank you for that you're. more than welcome so here is uh your. soil and uh compared to. Industrial uh commodity what does this. say dirt row crop so you can see the. difference in the I mean I don't know if. you guys can see it very clearly in the. photog in the video but one of them is. very light colored and the other one. looks rich and dark and it's filled with. with twigs and all sorts of biological.

material where there probably some worms. in there yeah probably and this looks. like what I'd like to grow something on. whereas this looks like uh some stuff. that uh blows in the wind when it gets. dry out I'm going to show you that yeah. please do and they came from side by. side one side of the fence versus the. other side of the fence and there's no. difference other than the way they've. been managed over the last 20 years yeah. and uh We've showed many times s that.

video of the was it a creek or river. near your house where the runoff from. their Farm is just polluting the water I. mean a very. clear line I mean the difference is so. Stark it's so Stark and how is that. legal by the way let me tell you what. you see in there so the uh the brown. water is coming off my farm the red. water is coming under the road there's a.

c there there's there's a video of that. we can look at yeah we've played that. video many many times just to show. people the difference between a. regenerative farm and an industrial Farm. is that is that me or my daddy damn he. looks. old look at those arms oh scale he's. scaling scaling like a fish so you know. this is it's just it's just strange that. it's legal.

to just have the runoff pollute the. rivers that it seems like someone would. see that and say well the downstream. effects of this have to be pretty. substantial and pretty. detrimental to the fish to every other. piece of land that's down river that's. going to encounter all this ferti fer. fertilizer and pesticide and herbicides. and this has to be terrible well and if. it was a construction site it would have. to be under what they call swiat that's.

an acronym for something storm water. something something mhm and you they. wouldn't allow that but agricultural. land is not under. Swit in fact it's it's not even under. Swit that's a subsidized production. system by the government so it's not. only okay or uh acceptable you know it's. it's it's the status quo so they've just. accepted a certain amount of pollution.

well I I guess it would be a nearly. unlimited amount of solution because. nobody checks it nobody checks the water. nobody checks to see what the results. are which is insane I mean what is it. like Downstream what what is Downstream. of that well it used to be the. appalachicola bay which was a thriving. oying grounds but they don't oyer there. anymore because of the runoff in the. Farms because of the decline in oer. population which is because of runoff.

correct wow there's there's like a whole. town appalachicola that's you know used. to be a real thriving Community because. of the oystering you know business and. industry and the the whole town has. suffered which is one thing we'll talk. about you know with regards to Rural. America but uh you know there there's. like a whole city that's suffering. because they can no longer do what. they've done for Generations how come no. one's filed a. lawsuit well I'm not in the lawsuit.

filing business not you but someone from. that town I mean and someone from the. oystering community because it seems. like that that's a no-brainer I mean if. you were running a a tire company and. the tire company was uh Upstream of. something and the water went down and. started polluting it and ruining. people's livelihoods you would think. that someone would have the grounds for. a lawsuit well you had RFK on and he. talked a lot about you know in New York.

the you know the the river and the. pollution and how he led the charge uh. you know people like that need to look. at appalache Cola Bay. and if you had a a runoff from a tire. Manufacturing Company you could trace it. back to that one entity one. location you know that water comes from. all over South Georgia and and it's from. everybody's fields and most of it is. treated the same way so you know I'm not.

I'm not answering a litigation question. cuz I don't know but it would be a hell. of a complex situation to jump on so you. would have to sue a large number of. farms you know I don't know how that. works but yeah but yeah there a large. number of people contributing to it. virtually everyone who Farms corn cotton. peanuts uh uses the same cultivation and. the same.

pesticides so I mean you. would just seem like be a very very. complex litigation to me it seems like. it's at least worth a study have they. done a study on the bay and the levels. of pesticides and various chemicals dead. dead zones in the Gulf have been studied. and Jamie can probably pull that up uh. could you do me a favor and just pull. that microphone just a little closer to. your face just yeah just try to keep it. like a fist away from your face like. that.

yeah um so it it seems like that they. would want to study that though I mean. that seems it's insane to me that they. just allow that to continue and it's. happening every day day by day just. constantly dumping toxic chemicals into. the water okay so I think you know I'm. I'm certainly not answering for that. whole uh kind of politically motivated. question but you got to remember that. the politicians who control The Bu. bureaucrats are controlled by pesticide.

companies and F agricultural companies. there's just a lot of money involved. yeah and you know if I were uh a. politician running for office and. begging for funding I probably wouldn't. want to be the guy that opened that. count of worms it seems like it all. boils down to that money and politics if. we could take money out of politics we. could make it so that no one can.

donate other than individuals in a very. limited amount of money we could change. everything I think so we could change. everything it's such a dirty system and. it allows things like this to happen but. then the question is you explained how. you changed your farm from an industrial. Farm to a regenerative farm and that it. took a pro it was approximately 20 years. is that what you said we yes well I mean. the we when you start that process.

moving from an. industrial uh Farm to to what with the. regenerated farm that we run. today coming out of the Chute you see a. decline in production and it lasts for a. period of time 3 years four years or. something then you see a very gradual. increase until it gets back to where. ours is today and where ours is today is. is not as high yielding as if we used. all the crop inputs right but it's.

approaching that and of course we don't. have to buy the crop inputs so I think. it's a better it's better for us. certainly a more resilient system and if. there was legal or at least some sort of. financial. repercussions that were enacted on the. farm itself for the pollution it would. seem like that would balance itself out. like if someone did the correct thing. and said hey you guys are ruining the. Earth itself with this just so you can.

make a little more money which is so. crazy that that's allowed and not just. allowed but. subsidized well you know the farmers are. making a little more money you're right. the big multinational corporations are. making a hell of a lot more money. because they're they're. manufacturing these products and they're. handling these huge quantities of. agricultural production right and. turning out this industrial food that we.

all eat so the the amount of money is. incredible and don't forget I I think I. might have mentioned to you when I spoke. to you before that it's a way of life. that senior bureaucrats go to work for. the big ey companies yeah so if you're a. a very senior person in DC in uh. Department of a and probably other. departments and you're getting close to. retirement you can get you can if you've.

been a good boy you can retire and get a. job making twice what you were making. with the government if you're not a good. boy you just retired right just like the. FDA and the pharmaceutical drug. companies it's the same deal it's it. should be illegal well Farmers aren't. I'll say this farmers are less and less. raising food and raising food like. products you know there is a statistic. said that farmers only get 14 of every. food dollar that's spent and you think.

about wow the the person who you know. cultivates the land plants the seed. harvest the crops you know they get 14. cents of every dollar and the truth is. the food production system has become. such a long way from a farmer and a. consumer there's got to be room for you. know distribution and Manufacturing and. Logistics and whatever else the dollar. you know the food dollar is still there. it's just the farmer is getting less and. less of it because. food more and more looks less and less.

like food she she she's right but in our. case we get a 100 cents of every dollar. but we still don't have much money we. still don't make a lot of money we get. 100 cents not 14 but then we cover all. these costs that in the industrial. system is just the farm is just the. production arm well and ours is. different because we took 100% respons. ility of that food product you know so.

we raise we Slaughter we butcher we. package and we distribute so we take we. take account for all of those parts in. the food production system so that we. can keep that whole dollar no it's not. profit because we have to pay for those. things but uh the whole dollar stays in. bluon and that's and that's the most. important part you know Clay County. Georgia where bluon is was the poorest. county in the United States of America. in. 2020 number one not just Georgia in the.

whole country and when that whole dollar. stays in Clay County Georgia uh is it's. it's beginning to correct that that that. results because only 14 cents stays. there that's the result and it seems. like the problem is so complicated now. because of fast food chains and because. of big cities that absolutely don't grow. anything that what when you're getting. food you have to get food at scale you.

have to get massive amounts of food like. say if you're living in um California if. you're living in Los Angeles which is. just an insanely overpopulated place and. you want to get beef especially if you. want to get a cheeseburger from Jack In. The Box or something like I don't mean. to pick on Jack in the Box Burger King. whatever where's that meat coming from. it's not it's not grown from local cows. there are no local cows Ian you have to. go pretty far out of town to find a farm. that raises cows me you can go like an. hour and a half out of town and find.

some cows but that's not going to feed. everybody they'll all be gone there's. not enough cows a lot of it comes from. Australia and New Zealand and Uruguay. and yeah a lot of lot lot of beef's. imported yeah and a lot of elk a lot of. elk if you buy elk at a restaurant most. likely you're getting it from New. Zealand I got a story about about. Imports that I want to say this is. really important so 25 years ago when. Dad uh decided to change the way we. farmed he knew that in order to put all. the cost that it was going to take to.

raise animals differently he had to find. a consumer that would pay for that and. so he went you know looking for. customers and public supermarket was you. know one of the first ones Whole Foods. very quickly after um and you know that. that worked out uh really well but the. the the the point I want to get to is. that when dad started selling beef. grass-fed beef to those two Grocers the. first pound of American grass-fed beef. beef to be marketed as American.

grass-fed beef came from White Oak. pastures and that was not a sustainable. option we we can't feed the world we. don't want to feed the world but fast. forward 20 years and over. 85% of the grass-fed beef. in uh you know the American Market is. imported product not raised in America. a't that nuts in 20 years we've we've. gone from being a very early innovator. to you know uh just a meere meager.

portion of of 15% well that that's. that's true but it's not the worst part. the worst part is that imported beef is. legally labeled product of the USA how's. that if value is added in this country. it's a product of the USA what we we. compete with we compete with it every. day how do they add value ooh oh go. ahead no you go this is good uh you know. if you if they grind it slice it cut it.

package it label it Rebox it transport. it but the animal make make no mistake. the animal was born raised and. slaughtered in. Uruguay uh Australia New Zealand or or. 20 other countries Lithuania Lithuania. Croatia the United States Imports beef. from places like Australia Canada and. much of Latin America then runs that. beef through USDA inspection and if it.

passes sticks a label on it that reads. product of the USA how dare you but. honestly that's so dirty the erosion of. this type of farming in America you know. is is completely being exported to. another country because we're importing. all of this product and then due to Loop. loopholes in labeling intentionally. fraudulent labeling even uh selling it. as product of the USA then we have to. consider if everybody's really concerned.

about climate change and CO2 output. think about the amount of. freight just these massive boats that. are making their way across the did you. did you see this thing they did recently. I was uh reading this uh uh article and. I was actually listening to a podcast. that's what it was initially but the. podcast was um about how they changed I. guess it I don't know what governing. body changed the emission standards for.

these uh gigantic Freight trip ships and. when they changed the emission standards. what they found was when they were. releasing less pollution into the air it. was doing less of a job of blocking the. Sun so the ocean water was getting. warmer quicker than they anticipated so. it is having the opposite effect so. they're trying to come up with different. methods to mitigate that now and some of. the methods are spraying chemicals in. the sky some of the method are spraying. ocean water in the sky which sounds much.

more natural you know just taking some. sort of machine but then again what's. powering that machine how is that going. to work what is what are we doing. instead of just growing it here should. we really be spraying seawat into the. atmosphere we should we really have to. do that no but I mean it's just water. that that doesn't bother me that seems. like the most organic solution you're. going to take sea water blowing but who. knows I mean think about all the. pollution that's in the sea now and. microplastics in the sea does that spray.

into the atmosphere and that get into. people's lungs now and cause a host of. new autoimmune issues and cardiovascular. issue who who knows it's so crazy that. we're doing it this way so that that. label change product of USA even though. it imported occurred in 2015 I think 15. or. 16 and it was a reaction to the fact. that some of us had gone into the. grass-fed beef business and were doing. pretty good with it we had some really. really good years in the early.

2000s and then of course when they were. allowed to bring the imported beef in as. product to USA the margin structure fail. dramatically of course dirty dirty. everything is dirty when you get money. involved in stuff like that and. decisions that affect everybody someone. always does something slimy well here. and here's the thing I don't think. either of us want to debate product. quality or the fact that it is from. another country you know the issue that. we have is that it's being sold under.

the guise of product of the USA right so. if you're a person who wants to buy all. americanmade stuff and American raised. beef and you're like oh great product of. the USA I feel like I'm doing a good. thing was like the Tex industry the Tex. industry's been exported the automotive. industry's been exported but at least in. those situations it's pretty clear what. you're getting you look in the back of. your shirt and it's a product of not. America I started working recently with. a company called origin that's in Maine. and they make crazy about them they make. everything yeah everything americanmade.

every thread all the cloth there is one. part of their boots that they have not. been able to Source in America and it's. it's sourced in Latin America that's the. only piece but I bet they talk about it. they do very openly but they make. hunting gear they make outdoor stuff. they make jiujitsu GES they make. fantastic handmade boots and if you want. to support an American Made Company. origin's great but you know they have a. limited amount of they can only make so. much of it you know they have one major. Factory that's doing it in. and it's all people working on it by.

hand and it's pretty cool but it's you. know it's limited yeah we're not saying. that beef from Australia is bad it's. definitely I'm not saying that there a. great beef from Australia I'm sure and. ugu and everywhere else yes just tell. the damn truth tell the damn truth we we. we had a a really awkward situation that. occurred last. week a company who is owned by friends. of ours that we care about uh was buying. some uh grinds from us some trim.

actually that making gr ground beef out. of and and Jenny was renegotiating the. deal with them last. week and uh it came out that yet they. were importing some beef what happened. is they showed her the projections of. how much more they were selling and it. was just way. up and they told her how much that they. were going to buy from her and it was. way no it was flat it was. flat and she said H how you doing that. cuz we're pretty big supplier they only.

advertise three people as being. suppliers and we're one of them and they. said it came out she said are you. important beef and and it was a long. silence they finally said they are and I. told her I was not on that call we're. not going to sell them I mean I I don't. want to sell them anything because then. they can attach your name to it frent. yeah I don't want to be part of a scam. that's a scam yeah and it's not even a. scam in terms of quality that's what. what you're you're saying it's important. that it's not that this a this bad beef.

no it's just you're lying this is a. household brand that you've probably. eaten and you know it's headquartered. here but you know we I don't want to do. that yeah and thank you for that what. what led to this decision the initial. decision to change your farm from an. industrial Farm to a regenerative farm. and what I mean it had to there had to. be a lot of soul searching involved in. that kind of a decision because it's not.

an easy one and it probably cost a lot. of money it was probably quite a. headache all it was all those things and. to be real honest with you I I went into. it with a little bit of navity I didn't. think it was going to be as big a deal. as it was but it. was uh you know I was a very industrial. Cattleman for 20 years graduated from. the University of Georgia with a degree. in animal science came home and put it. to work my dad had been a very. industrial producer using all the.

tools I was and I had a lot of pride in. my knowledge and understanding of how to. raise cattle industrially monocultural. cattle at that. time and I uh I I think probably because. I was an an abuser I I used if it said. use a little bit I used a lot and I just. came to see the unintended. consequences of that industri. system more clearly probably than people.

that were playing closer to the rules. and I just decided I didn't want to do. it anymore and I did a I I did not do a. good job planning an alternative. production program I just quit using. stuff you know I quit using hormone. implants and sub therapeutic antibiotics. and bad feed stuffs like chicken manure. I quit uh using chemical fertilizer quit. using. pesticides and it was it was very.

expensive for a while and hurt it was p. e economically painful but we survived. it and uh from day one I enjoyed it. better but from day one I made less. money till I lost money but then thank. goodness you know grass-fed beef became. a thing and it wasn't being imported so. we became profitable again since you've. gone public with I found about you from. Fox I was watching television and you.

were doing this interview and we talked. about the last time you were here and. this guy was rushing you I enjoy the way. you talk but you have a way of talking. that's very deliberate and clear and it. takes a little time and this guy was. just rushing you along and rushing you. along and uh I immediately reached out. to my booking guy and said let's get. that guy I want I want to hear him talk. just like lay it out like give him all. the time in the world to lay it out and. I'm really glad you did but from the. time that you went public have you seen.

more of a demand for your product and. for what you're doing I have but it's. been filled by imported product the the. this this whole thing that we're talking. about grass-fed yes grass-fed beef. pasture poultry all these uh more. naturally grown uh meats and other. poultry and and veget all of it is is is. is catching. traction but big food has figured out a. way to to take cash in on it I can give.

a good example of that so uh the word. free range so free range by definition. so you know you would see a a brand with. a a grassy null and a red barn and a. white fence and you know it would say. free range so free range by definition. is just access to the outdoors via a. concrete pad or whatever it's not. actually pasture raised poultry it's. just maybe a little different than. commodity in the house poultry but it's.

at a fraction of the price you know true. pastured poultry might cost two or 300%. more than commodity poultry and so you. have these consumers who are very busy. you know they don't have time to to. learn the nuances and read and research. like you know you have done and we. obviously do and so they see pastured. poultry for $6 a pound or free range Tre. for3 or4 a pound you know how could you.

expect for them to pay 50% more 75% or. or 100% more for something that is is so. loosely defined and due to labeling. pretty pretty uh pretty. misrepresentative of the way it's. actually raised yeah free range sounds. like you just let them out of the. chicken coop and they wand around like. your wife holding the bird right like my. yard that's it yeah yeah there's free. range chickens in my yard right now. that's why Marshall's.

here Marshall doesn't get along with. chickens we talked about that earlier. but this this is deceptive I mean and. it's it's unfortunate that they're. allowed to use those loopholes and that. should be that should be more clearly. defined I mean if you would rather save. money and I understand that if someone's. on a budget you want to save money get I. get it 100% but I've gotten eggs from. the grocery store that say free range. and I get it and I crack it open and is. that that light y yellow [ __ ] Yol. that I know I know that chicken has just.

been eating feed it's not eating grass. it's not eating bugs it's not doing. things that chickens do and when you get. a chicken that is doing things that. chickens do you get that dark orange Yol. blood yolk it's so dark and it tastes so. much better it's so much better for you. so much more nutrient-dense and it's. what a chicken egg is supposed to be and. sadly I don't think the consumers will. of really get what they're looking for.

unless they know exactly who they're. buying it from right it's it's just so. easy to copy these Embrace these new. right now we talk about regenerative. well I mean everybody now everybody's. got regenerative you know it's it's it's. too easy to label it and it's too hard. for really big companies to produce it. so it puts the Honus on the consumer to. who they're buying from but that that. bring me brings me back to the initial.

question is it even possible to use. regenerative farming the way you folks. have your farm and feed everybody I mean. can you can you feed can you s sell to. McDonald's I mean is it even possible I. mean how much beef do they use in a day. it has to be insane the answer is no we. can't we can't sell to McDonald's we we. couldn't start scratch the surface and I. don't know the answer but I'll say.

this when you. say uh can we produce enough food like. that can the industry produce enough. food like that without doing such. extraordinary. damage you know we're going to pay for. this right you know the this stuff is so. cheap not because it's really being. produced that cheap it's because. expenses are thrown off and not Bor by. the producer or the company buying it.

like what give give Dead Zone in the in. the Gulf would be a great example that's. a great example because I mean think. about the extraordinary amount of money. it would take to take the gulf and bring. it back to a pristine condition or. wildfires how how much do we pay every. year to put out. wildfires fires that soil right there. you know the the experts tell us that. there's like how many years 60 but that. was like 3 years ago so who knows but.

there even the experts tell us there's a. finite life left in that degraded. soil this beautiful organic soil is. Perpetual it'll last forever right now. that's a cost and it has a finite uh. period of time and I'm just not sure how. this is all going to work out the water. in the ground you know so much of these. crops irrigated so you I told you that.

uh one of them the degraded soil is a. half% organic matter the the beautiful. soil is over 5% organic. matter 1% organic matter will absorb a 1. in. rainfall so the degraded soil will only. absorb a half an inch of rainfall the. beautiful organic soil will absorb a 5. in. rainfall so it requires a TR mendous. amount of irrigation for the degraded.

soil to make it well we got problems. with water in the ground even in the. Southeast and certainly in the west so. that all of these resources we're just. using up and using up and you it's. pissing in your Brites to stay. warm pissing in your branches is a good. short-term strategy but longterm not. what you want to do that's a great way. to put it I love it I'm going to use. that one pissing in your britches to. stay. warm. yeah it's uh it's really sad and it's.

it's weird how we uh haven't addressed. this and how this is just something that. just keeps going and going primarily. because of the amount of money that's. involved and the amount of money these. companies are making by doing things the. way they're doing it right now and the. fact that it's. subsidized yeah yeah it's it's dirty. business and it's a there um there's an. ancient soil in the Amazon called Tera. pra have you guys heard about this well. I watched the Graham Hancock episode yes.

fascinating so thousands and thousands. of years ago the the indigenous people. of the Amazon figured out a way to. create this regenerative soil and it. it's uh it it it's composed of. biological material carbon all sorts of. different things they don't exactly know. how they made it and they don't know how. to recreate it but this is a. self- sustaining soil and when you grow.

in it it it acts like this soil that you. folks have and these people that lived. thousands of years ago figured out how a. way to make this sustainable soil it. just seems like that is something if. there's so much money involved in all. this that's something that someone would. be able to figure out how to recreate. today this is the Terra praa this is the. stuff that exists so on the left you see. the actual soil what it looks like. before it's. for it's treated that Tera praa on the. right is entirely man-made and entirely.

man-made from an unknown origin we know. the folks the people that live there. they're the ones who did it but we don't. know how they did it and what we do know. is that you can grow on that. indefinitely you can just keep going. they're call it biochar Tera praa but. it's a phenomenal soil for growing crops. on and for growing things on and it. seems like that should be something. that's someone should invest in some. sort of research I mean look if they.

figured out how to do it thousands of. years ago and we assume that they didn't. have computers and Ai and all the. different advantages that we have in. terms of technology and. knowledge figure it out someone there. should be some sort of a large scale. project if we're really have 57 years. left of top soil in the American. farmlands due to monocrop Agriculture. and Industrial farming it seems like. they should be able to figure out a way. to do that actually that's our farm yeah. and then you can see there about the sub.

soil with below that guy's hand which is. like the degraded soil and the good soil. which is above it which is soil that we. we have built up yes and and and it was. built up by using the nital systems you. know we emulate the Buffalo ranging over. the the the continent it's not as good. you know we we don't have from Canada to. Mexico to play with right and we don't. have hundreds of thousands of head but.

it's a microcosm example of that and it. works yes dny what was the story that. you used to tell that scientists figured. out exactly what seawater was you know. like what what made seawater and they. they meticulously made it in a lab but. then somehow it wasn't after they did. everything that that they science told. them that seawater was when they. admitted it wasn't seawater that makes. me question my you're right that makes.

me question my uh Reliance upon. reductive science the the the project. Jenny's talking about I don't remember. where it was done Jimmy Jimmy could. probably find they took seawater and and. broke it down as well as they could with. qualitative quantitative. chemistry and decided could determine. exactly what was in it then when they. put it back together a fish wouldn't. live in it oh that was. it but you what and what happened was.

not so much it had too much sodium or. too much whatever it was the the the. life was not. there there's something else it was the. life it was the the the fact that they. evolved together yeah and then there's. some organic compounds that's in the. water I probably the life actually. living microbes that that they couldn't. put back in there cuz they weren't there. anymore when you took it apart put it. back together so you just have sterile. sea sterile ingredients that made sea.

water yeah probably like a fish tank but. not even right because fish tank has. fish poop and all sorts of other things. that also have life yeah has life and. leads to the. microbes you know people listening to. this probably feel very helpless you. know because it seems like it's one of. those situations like oh my God this is. a problem that it's almost like you. don't realize there's an avalanche. coming cuz you're you're you're sitting. in the town and you're like oh this is a.

good place this is this is a safe place. but meanwhile there's an avalanche. coming and it's just a matter of time. before it reaches the town no not. exactly because May bad. analogy just mean I get I get it and I. agree except for the fact that those. people sitting in that town there's not. a damn thing they can do about that. Avalanche it's coming right. when it comes to the way we treat our.

land and water and air consumers have. power they they can do something about. it you know you can't depend on the. government because of the lobbyist thing. the dark money we discussed that earlier. it won't be sadly the land grant. University system because so much of. that funding comes from the huge. multinational companies that are. profiting from industrial production. I I can this a whole lot of things it.

won't come from but if it if it's if it. happens it'll be by consumers consumers. making the choice this is what I'm going. to support this is not what I'm going to. not support that's. the that's the only way it's going to. happen and I I don't know that it's. going to happen well it seems like it. would take a massive re-education of the. American public in order for that to. take place place and then people would. have to they would have to be willing to.

be financially impacted by their. decisions because it's it's not going to. be you're not going to be able to get a. 99 cent Che cheeseburger correct correct. and and to that point nothing really. brings about change except. pain and I don't think you. can educate fat satiated full people. and and get them to spend more money for. their food but if there's enough pain.

where it comes from health. [Music]. or polluted areas or weather or Fire or. the then maybe so and it's also a. problem people aren't aware of the. issues for most people food is food they. just go and get their food and then they. don't understand the consequences of. eating bad food until until it's kind of. too late but they're not really supposed. to who's educating them you know I mean.

if if they go to the doctor there's a. pill you know I mean there there's. there's no there there's a lot of like. anti-correlation that's happening where. it's like here's a problem here's a. solution and we bypass all the hard work. we want the easy solution right you know. so it's it's not just that consumers are. making. arguably uh wrong choices but uninformed. choices for the food that they eat but. Additionally you know we're big cycles. of nature people we believe that in.

order to be good stewards of land all of. nature Cycles need to be functioning and. when they do they create an abundance. and that abundance is enjoyed uh by you. and I uh in the form of meat and. vegetables and you know whatever else. and there's been so much intense focus. on the carbon cycle and you think about. what you hear from the media it's carbon. carbon carbon carbon that in reality. all of Nature's Cycles are broken you. know what about the the water cycle or.

the mineral cycle or the grazing cycle. these are you know you can't just work. on one cycle and so there's just so much. misinformation and so much uh so much of. a spotlight on certain things when in. reality it's so much broader than that. and it's not it's not hard it's just. they're not telling the complete story I. I I agree with that fully and I don't. think that's an accident I think that. the carbon cycle gets all the Press.

because that's the one that somebody can. make some money. fixing I I agree with you yeah and. that's unfortunate that this whole green. thing has become a political movement. and it's been a political movement. that's hijacked by industry and they are. trying to enforce mandates that will. allow them to make extreme amounts of. profit and also to control people and to. control their choices yeah you know all. you read is that uh uh cattle are are.

great contributors to global warming. greenhouse gases and all that and we. talked about before there's a a. scientific study very expensive. scientific study called a life cycle. analysis on our website that shows that. we're actually sequestering more carbon. in our cattle side of our business than. we're putting up so you know it's which. makes sense yeah it's a. way the differences in those two soils. and the ones you showed and the one that.

you talked about in South America this. carbon and and M microscopic life in. that soil which is what makes it dark. versus the other one. mhm so uh you know and the way you build. those carbon Rich soils is through. proper livestock interaction that's the. way the 8T deep soil in the Great Plains. came about those huge herds of Buffalo.

going across and it's the reason that. those two soils look so much different. and the one that you showed J showed on. the board there so you know we I think. we know a lot more about how to fix the. problem then we acknowledge but it's. just going to be so. expensive especially for big food big. hag big and ultimately also for the. consumer cuz if McDonald's went purely. to regenerative agriculture if they had. a large scale effort to eliminate.

industrial farming and get all of their. food through regenerative agriculture. there's not a chance in hell they're. going to charge 99 Cents for a. cheeseburger you know and I'm not. opposed to to there being chains like. McDonald's but I just don't know how. they work with any sort of local food. movement I just don't know how you make. that work right and then how do you make. it so I mean there's a large amount of. people in this country that primarily. eat fast food unfortunately that's.

that's where they get their calories. from and you see it because of the. health consequences I mean it's it's a. gigantic issue in this country that we. if you look at the human beings I'm sure. you've seen these uh photographs of. people on the beach in the 1950s and 60s. versus 2023 2023 is like it's it's. insane how obese everybody is and that's. not an accident that's a direct result. of the the way we eat and what we eat. and where it comes from it's the same.

with our animals you we are you know the. the goal and a feed a lot of animal is. to blow them up fast and quick with. cheap food that's what we do to our. people too yeah yeah that is what we do. yeah well in in marketing you know we. create our own customers you know those. people who suffer from obesity and. sedentary Lifestyles that have diseases. and whatever else then we get to sell. them medicine. and then the medicine's called side. effects which then we treat with more.

medicine yeah so it's uh so I'm the. director of marketing and one thing that. I love is you know is just good. old-fashioned marketing and reoccurring. business and returning orders and you. know all those things I see how that. works you know the very idea that these. Lifestyles create a certain you know a. certain issue which are then prescribed. with certain medicines that then create. more issues that we treat with more. medicines what a genius plan that's.

great that is I mean it's ter buy a. yacht well it's terrible for the people. and for the environment and you know for. but I mean hell it's great very. profitable I I'll give you another slant. on that we talked about the changes I. made and what I used to do to what I do. now and one of. the primary changes is from from the. from the 30,000 ft level is I used to go. in my pastures every day looking for. something to kill I was looking for a.

fun a fungus on the grass to put a. fungicide on looking for an insect put. insecticide on looking for another. competing uh weed that I put uh. herbicide on looking for parasites in my. cattle on it on insects on it on I was. looking every day for something to kill. I was a successful commercial Cattleman. in terms of. profitability and I was successful. because I kill stuff every day spent.

money to high-tech companies to kill. stuff uh now since I made the change I'm. trying to keep things. alive I believe that all these species. have a role out there and and I want to. keep things in Balance we trying to keep. things alive we're not trying to kill. any of it you're trying to create uh. like a contained natural environment. symbiotic symbiotic relationships. between the animals yeah but I thought.

that's analogous with the food situation. of it and that's what the whole earth. should be that's how it evolved yeah and. it's just recently within the last like. how many years that we've done it this. way since World War II I I I believe. I've thought about that a lot read about. it a lot and I think World War II is. kind of when we started the change. because we needed food well I actually I. should said the end World War II but but. yeah we needed the food so there was a. demand to produce it and then World War.

II's war effort gave us so many tools. you know the the. Munitions manufacturing became. fertilizer. manufacturing the uh nerve gas became. pesticides on and. on how do you unwind all that that's. what's crazy you know when you're. dealing with 80 plus years of this going. on like how do you unwind that and how. do you I guess you do it through.

conversations like this initially to get. enough people aware of how big of a. problem this is and how bad it is for. everybody three generations in trillions. and trillions of dollars there's so many. people making so much money on this you. think about you'll you probably won't be. here in 80 years I know you're the. specimen of health and you're uh you. know may maybe so but your kids will be. and so you know I I didn't really focus. on it until I became a mother and you. have a son and a daughter and you know.

my my sister has kids it's like all. right we can probably keep it in between. the ditches I'm. 37 maybe I'll you know make it to 75 so. we can we can probably keep it in. between the ditches until then but you. know what type of world are we leaving. our kids I mean do you your kids you. know I mean they're they're going to. inherit something way the hell worse. than you did it's going to get worse. it's not going to get better way worse. right unless enough people make this.

decision that you made unless enough. people take control of their health and. start changing the way they eat and. where and where they Source their food. from and caring and you know the the. title of your book a bold return to. giving a damn which is a great Title One. farm six Generations in the future food. um when you set out to write this. book I know that this is an important. message to you but how how's this been.

received so. far you know we don't get too much uh. feedback on how many people are buying. the book it's out there but we don't get. it Jenny you you can ask that question. but than me she uh so you know when when. dad started talking about writing a book. we were like H there's no way you know. his his. brain is is truly cyclical just like the. farm there's you know birth growth death. Decay birth growth death Decay where do. you start the chicken or the egg who.

came first and for him uh you know we. had talked about him writing a book for. a very long time and honestly nobody. knew where to start um and so he was. approached by um you know some folks who. said hey we think you know you'd be a. great book writer um and Dad quickly. told them there's no way I can write a. book no way in hell I don't know where. to start and where B they said well let. us help you so they found a ghost writer.

named Emily grievin who is great and she. and dad had phone dates every Friday for. probably a year that lasted anywhere. from 2 to four hours and in listening to. the book Dad D dad narrated it and it is. like a glimpse inside of his brain it is. such a uh all of his thoughts are there. and you know I think it's so important. because you know dad started a a. business and a mission that is going to.

last a lot longer than him you know he's. 69 this year and you know the food. system is not going to be fixed uh you. know by the time he is gone and so to be. part of that and to be part of a. business that's you know bigger than one. person bigger than one person's life. that lasts you know lasts so much longer. I think is so important and and people. like him have got to focus on that you. know he can't fix the food system he has. to set the groundwork for people like. you and I to fix the food system and.

then to instill it in our children to. fix the food system what was the. motivation to write. this you know I felt like people needed. to know what I spent the last 25 years. learning I'm not the only one that knows. it but I'm the only one that has this. particular slant on it I knew I couldn't. write a book you know I I went to the. University of Georgia and majored in. agriculture we didn't read many books we. certainly didn't write a.

book when they approached us about about. writing it uh it it just seemed like the. thing to do and I give so much credit to. this am Graven that jeny reference who. wrote it who. actually wrote my thoughts down on the. paper. and do you think this is a one time deal. or you going to write more books I I. know D well is. it took me 69 years to come up with. another [ __ ] to put in that book I'm not.

going have. time it seems like another book though. someone should write is uh how this can. be. fixed and uh what steps need to be taken. and I think it it needs to be taken in. for sure it needs to be taken at a. governmental level there's a bunch of. books out there that I've seen that. performers have written that I I didn't. agree with there one dirt to soil by gay. but Brown the great so you know there.

others so there's if someone is out. there that does run an industrial farm. and is uh sort of tortured by it that. they're aware of the consequences of. what they're doing and they would like. to maybe and they maybe admire what. you've done and like to move in that. direction well not since you mentioned. it Gabe and I are both we're both in. about the same age we're both Industrial. Farmers that that went this. route and uh there's some great.

regenerative Farmers out there but there. aren't a tremendous number of them that. used to be an industrial farmer just. there just not a lot of. that how many industrial Farms are there. in this country oh I have no idea a lot. I mean a lot less it used to be because. they've Consolidated and gotten so much. bigger but I don't know that number that. that's that's well you were originally. brought uh onto that Fox News show. because they were they were trying to.

figure out what a farmer thinks about. Bill Gates buying up Farmland you know. Bill G Gates who's famously said that. everyone's got to stop eating meat and. eat. these [ __ ] fake meat versions these. plant-based Meats so there's 25,000. factory farms factory farms continue to. take over the agricultural landscape of. the United States are currently 1.6. billion animals in our nation's 25,000. and factory. farms which makes sense I mean if you. you you know go to Arby's where's that.

food coming from well and you know and. even so Jamie you should Google this but. when we talk about that um the. centralization of the meat industry is. even more Stark so what is it four four. um maybe four meat processors in at. least with beef occupy over. 80% of the nation's beef Supply. yeah CH just gave me this before we came. in here but it's uh this is in 2023.

United the United States has. imported. 956 million pounds of beef so far in. 2023 wow that's imported beef wow that's. crazy Jamie will you pull up that um I. think I named it like food consolidation. or something I bet most people have no. idea I bet most people listening to this. are blown away by that number that most. people would if you ask the average.

person on the street how much meat do. you think is imported from other. countries beef they would probably. say. none they wouldn't even think of it no. especially if you get to label it a. product of the USA which is so dirty. yeah you and and that's you know. consumers believe they have the. impression of choice they don't actually. have Choice the the image that Jamie's. going to show us trying to find a. cleaner one a little blurry.

but here it is so look at all these. brands that are owned by this you know. 10 or so parent. companies that's crazy so you know. consumers have the uh you know the. impression that there is choice but. truly there is no choice the same is. true with with meat I think on Tyson's. website it has uh and I gave it to Jamie. but one in every five pounds of meat. that's consumed in America is a Tyson.

product wow whoa you so we talk about. centralized food we talk about food. security do we really want a global food. supply you the answer is yes or no but. with regards to uh fragility in food. think about coid uh and the effects of. of what it did to the grocery store. there we go one in5 pounds of chicken. beef and pork in the US is produced by. Tyson. Foods wow the that's proudly registered.

on their website yeah there's another. one that talks about how many animals. they slaughter in a week and that's. another just in incredible number and. the the same is the other four pounds. are produced by two or three other. companies not like it was Tyson and. everybody else right right right will. you pull up that that other one Jamie. cuz I want to draw a correlation between. the the scale. of this versus the scale of what Farms. like us.

do no there's one that says like. 177,000 cattle are processed. um anyways I'll tell you a little bit. about about our model and then we can. compare it to that but so when Dad. decided to build the the uh processing. plan in 2007 he built it to process 50. head of cattle a week and we got to that. number and we were still hemorrhaging. money it was no way that was going to. work and so we made a few modifications. primarily around Refrigeration uh we.

dropped the chill time one yep that's it. so our processing plant on Farm. Processing Plant will process 25 head of. cattle a day five days a week so it's. 125 head a week compared to systems like. this which is also on Tyson's website. 155,000 head of cattle are processed per. week in only 14 facilities.

wow that's crazy and you know the. further to the right you go so you know. pork 471 th000 pigs are slaughtered in a. week at only seven. facilities 47 million chickens per week. and I've been in I've been in those. facilities and it's not pretty but that. that is the scale of food hor we've uh. we shown the footage of um someone got. Drone footage where they fly a drone. over a pig farm and industrialized pig.

farm and you see these Lakes of pig. waste and it's so disgusting just just. toxic waste which is sad because that. waste is what created that top soil at. White Oak pastures it's just we took the. livestock off of the land we decoupled. what had been coupled for millions of. years so these are these laks now here's. the question why can't they take that. waste and redistribute it into the land.

and use it for fertilizer and and. there's some of that done but it's. expensive that's the. problem it's expensive is that what. they're doing right here yeah I think so. yeah I remember them talking about the. waste was getting spread on the people's. Like. Houses because the it would be in the. air and then it would right of course. whatever yeah well yeah indiscriminate. because they want to do it cheaply yeah. and and there's a difference between a a. cow or pig or chicken defecating here.

and there and there right and spreading. natural way you that thick acoss right. well and just just to sort of tie all. that together Jamie you have one more. thing and I swear I'm going to quit. asking you to pull [ __ ] up but that's. what he does it's okay he likes it I. have to apologize he's probably like who. invited her no no no no but there's. there's uh one more that's like Our. Brands so one in five uh pounds of meat. we just read that was produced produced. by Tyson but consumers have no idea that.

it was a Tyson product so if you look at. the amount of brands that you know these. big multinational meat corporations own. there's no there's no uh no way for a. consumer to know that that's one of. those. products so it's just it's just a really. incredible system when you start pulling. the layers back on. it and there's a demand that's the other.

problem it's like you're not g to get. them to stop doing that there's a. massive demand for all this food yeah. and most people listening to this are. part of that demand most people. listening to this have stopped at a fast. food burger place this week and and. picked up a product of this. system yeah and they want to be able to. do that if you're hungry and you're. you're on the go and you want to be able. to pull into a drive-thru get a. cheeseburger and some fries and a soda. bam takes it's kind of extraordinary the. system they've created it sucks that you.

can't do it in a healthy way but it's. kind of extraordinary that you can just. pull into someone and get a th calories. like that so convenient cheap cheap. incredibly cheap yeah for the amount of. calories and that and that is also. reflected in the health consequences of. impoverished people if you look at. people that are poor that rely upon this. kind of food all the time those are the. people that have the worst Health. outcomes because they're eating stuff. that's doesn't have any nutrients in it. it's terrible for you it's filled with. seed oils and [ __ ] and preservatives.

and I'm sure you've seen those um uh. they've done these uh little tests where. they've taken a McDonald's cheeseburger. and just sit it on a shelf yeah oh yeah. for like weeks and nothing happens to it. yeah you could probably eat it which is. so insane that's crazy I mean you can. sit it for weeks but you know these. companies as bad as this is these. companies have done what the public told. them to do the public has said we want. food cheaper cheaper cheaper cheaper.

cheaper cheaper quicker consist and. quicker and you know you know how you. get cheaper and quicker okay this is. exactly the same after five. years five years where' it go Jamie that. is wild it doesn't look that bad that is. crazy stick a fork in me I'm done wow so. Megan wants to find out whether the. cheeseburger will stay the same after. another 5 years so I bet it will I mean.

what's going to change five years said. she's inspired to carry out the. experiment after seeing an old Burger. being showcased in her doctor's office. and so she set this burger down and just. left it out there for five years and. that's what it looks. like Hi. Megan kind of crazy but also disturbing. if you you eat that like what is that. doing to your gut micro biome what is. that doing to your health I mean the. preservatives have a consequence on your. health eating stuff that you know we.

were talking about dog food earlier and. um I feed my dog raw food and I just. started feeding him raw food about six. seven months ago and it kind of it's. embarrassing to me that that's the case. because I always just thought if you go. to the pet I didn't think about it you. go to the pet store you buy healthy food. uh the best food that they have. available at a you know a nice pet store. like this got to be good for the dog oh. look at all the nutrients look at all. the stuff but then I was thinking like. how is it just sitting there how can it.

how how does it not go bad how does it. not there's never mold on pet food. there's the cheeseburger 20 years oh my. God a Utah man 20 well there's your. answer Megan it doesn't even look like. that one's been in the refrigerator no. just sitting there I don't think hers. was either dang this guy's just hoarding. cheeseburgers this guy's got a. 14-year-old cheeseburger there's quite. quite a few of them he just breaks it. out every year for update. oh my God that's insane that's insane. the pickle went bad yeah the pickle went.

bad pickle kind of he's got it got the. receipt he's got the receipt that's. incredible how much was it 79 cents 79. cents not much more now which is pretty. shocking yeah but there's a consequence. there's a consequence for all that but. what I was saying about my dog uh he was. getting fat and we were lowering the. amount of food that he was eating. because of that and increasing his. exercise and he still just it just did. and then I was thinking I wouldn't eat. that why am I feeding him what I would. eat and so I started feeding him well I. was feeding him uh elk meat uh so I'd.

get I'd shoot an elk and I'd take some. of the ground meat and that's what I. would use in his dog food and I'd cut it. up and boy he would just dive on that. food I mean he like he couldn't get it. in his mouth quick enough it just it was. to him it was what he was supposed to be. eating now when we switched over to uh. what's it's the stuff we're using right. now there's a bunch of companies that do. it really well and they they sell uh. real food for dogs and it's frozen and. it's cut up into cubes and it's just. basically raw meat and some vegetables.

and some blueberries and stuff like that. and it's changed everything changed his. coat CH his body slimmed down he's got. way more energy his endurance when I. throw the ball for him he's got way more. energy it's incredible it's incredible. but of course it is I mean it just makes. sense and you think about the high. instances of cancer in dogs and also the. high instances of cancer in human beings. that have been correlated to. preservatives and all sorts of. environmental contaminants that that are. in human beings diets it just makes. sense that that would be in your.

especially since the vast majority of. dogs are being fed these processed. preserved industrialized Foods yeah here. here's another one too we brought. Marshall some raw hides and I think. he'll completely love it but you know. there there's another part of it and so. we became fast friends with a uh pet. food manufacturer in Atlanta a whole dog. Market who also coined Farm hounds. they're really really great people but. they told me about the fact that you.

know puppies chew and you know you hate. your puppy because it chews up all your. sh your you know your seat your chair. legs your shoes you know whatever it is. uh and you know you you spank the puppy. and you know they learn not to chew and. whatever else happens but truthfully. chewing for dogs is uh is is soothing. for them you know it's it's something. that uh is calming it relieves stress. it's a natural behavior they're used to. having to gnaw their food off of a.

carcus that they've run down or whatever. it else it is and so um you know it is. sad to think that we have turned dog. food into something you know little. bites that can be guled down and we. don't give dogs something to chew on and. then they get in trouble for chewing on. your shoes or chewing on your chair leg. when that is how animals of evolved uh. you know for thousands of years yeah. it's natural behavior it's also changed. the way human beings Jaws are you know.

the reason why human beings get crowded. teeth and smaller jawbones is because we. stop chewing on meat oh we we stop. chewing on food that's real food and we. start eating mush and when you do that. over generation and generation the the. human body changes that's right yeah. it's very bizarre I brought you some gum. and it's from turkey and it it's it's. called phum I don't know if I'm saying. that right but it's exactly for that and. I have chewed it for probably a year and.

a half and it is the best stress uh. dealing with mechanism that I have it is. you know there's just something to be. said for chewing yeah they sell that. stuff I think it's called masticating. gum. yeah good for your job boxers actually. use that I'm not a boxer shocking I know. it's good for their jaw their jaw. muscles yeah it's good for there's also. a product called jawser size that I use. that's a it's a rubber thing that you. put in your mouth I do I weight lift.

with my jaw believe it or not I put this. thing in my in between my teeth and I go. like. this and I do reps with my jaw let's. insert a video of you doing that on this. it's made my jaw muscles bigger 100% see. it in my. face I mean you look your jaws they look. good man thank you very much I'm very. proud of my jaws but there's people that. go crazy with it and um there's like a. community that online that of people. that have like overused their jaw. muscles to the point where they develop.

these massive like bullmastiff jaw. muscles on the side of their face and it. becomes like like kind of a weird thing. like almost like anorexia or something. like they you know they get obsessed. with jaw muscles that's disgusting yeah. there's like before and after photos of. these people that are just have. developed these because they want a. square jaw yeah right so in doing that. will give you a square jaw because. that's where it comes from it comes from. this this muscle right here this fat. muscle right here and you could build. that muscle just like you could build.

your biceps or any other muscle and you. build it from chewing and a lot of. people are just eating mush like what do. they want when they want a steak oh I. want a tender steak exactly right yeah. it's one of the things that people don't. like about game meat is that it's chewy. that's right or grass-fed beef we did a. tremendous amount of education for for. cooking grass bed beef and for the first. several years that we had our e-commerce. online store we had uh you know. consumers call and say like shoe leather. you know it's so it's so tough and you. say well how did you cook it and you. walk them through you and uh you know.

that has really cut down as consumers. have become more familiar with it but. the fact that it melts in your mouth. meat's not supposed to melt in your. mouth no it's not that's not the way. that works well I'm not a big fan of uh. Kobe beef but when I look at like when. they slice Kobe beef and they talk about. how expensive it is because of all the. marbling I'm like that thing's dying. like that is a sick animal that is a. like a severely morbidly obese human. being if you took a slice out of them. it's going to look like that just a deep.

just fat is everywhere it overcomes the. food where you're you're eating it and. you just it like coats your mouth and. some people like it you know in like. small pieces okay whatever you want if. that's what you're into me I like. grass-fed beef I'd like a dark Rich. ribeye steak where it looks like a dark. red like a cow's supposed to look like a. bison steak if you eat a grass-fed bison. steak and you cut into it that is a dark. red and that's what you're supposed to. eat that's nutrient dense it's better.

for you it's much higher in protein you. know that's what I like about wild game. when I'm eating Wild game I'm eating. this animal that is essentially eating. and living the way it's lived for. thousands and thousands and thousands of. years with no input from human beings. whatsoever and there's some companies. that do that like certified P Mones has. a very specific cow that's much higher. in uh protein than other cows because. it's leaner and it looks different it's.

darker but you have to cook it. differently and the way I cook it and. the way I tell people to cook game is U. what's called a reverse sear method so I. cook it very slowly until I get it up to. an internal temperature of like 120° or. 115 degrees then I sear the outside of. it to give it a nice crust and it's. tender that way and that way you you get. all the flavor of the meat but it's not. tender like Kobe beef it's it's it's. still a little chewy but it's flavorful. it's delicious and moist and it's great.

for you here the life expectancy of a. cow is like 24 years of age and a feed. light animal wouldn't live much over two. wow obesity disease yeah tell them about. the the story about the presidential. pardon yeah I I tell them that. uh TR truly the way we raise cattle they. live to be 24 years old we don't do that. but that's that's what they would do and. I've always wanted to to take a feed. light animal and give it a presidential.

pardon and say we're not going to. slaughter you we're going to see how. long you'll live and Fe keep one in the. feed lot and then turn one loose out. there in the pasture with my cows and I. would I can guarantee you the fully feed. light animal wouldn't last but maybe. three years or four years or five years. yeah no one wants to do that CU if like. you got one of your friends say let me. make you a deal let's put a special tag. on this cow put a little ear tag so. nobody Slaughters it and let's see.

what's up they' be like no thanks no. what do you think how long do you think. it would last a feed lot animal you know. I've never done it I don't I don't have. a feed lot anymore and when I did I. needed to sell them to get the cash flow. so I I don't know that but it wouldn't. be long. because they are dying of all the. diseases of obesity and sedentary. lifestyle that kills people right you. they just it wouldn't they wouldn't last. long as well as eating food that they're. not really supposed to be eating yeah.

like when you people love a grain-fed. animal because it's obese that's really. what they like when they look for a lot. of marbling that's obesity that's what. you're getting and that's what makes it. Juicy and Delicious but that's also what. makes it sick that's and that's also why. they have to use so many antibiotics. yeah you know I'm I'm sure you've seen. there was a documentary I forget what. the documentary was but there was a. documentary where they showed various. cows and that these cows all these. diseases that these cows encounter. because of eating that way and all the.

the chemicals that they have to use and. the antibiotics they have to use to. treat these cows and the unintensive. consequences those have on the. consumer well you know concern is. antibiotic resistance because we use. those. antibiotics uh on the pathogens that. when they're not sick the cows are. really not sick it just makes them gain. weight faster antibiotics make a cow. gain weight faster yeah sub oh go ahead. Sor yep that's the word Sub sub. therapeutic how does it do.

that you know that's that's uh it's got. to do with the Rin I don't I don't know. that but it's got to do with that you. know a cow uh the way they digest is. there are microbes in the Rin the gut. that breaks down the cellulose or. grain and somehow that that uh M that. that that antibiotics enhances that. procedure but I don't know that it.

probably keeps them you know keeps them. functioning uh while still eating an. unnatural diet here it says the damage. caused by antibiotics depends upon on. the mechanism of action dosage treatment. duration Administration route. antibiotics given at low doses to. animals have the notable effect of. increasing weight a practice term sub. therapeutic antibiotic treatment and. used since 1946 in. livestock wow and you know we only have.

a certain number of. antibiotics and when we use them. indiscriminately at very low levels. resistance in pathogen spills up yeah so. we put oursel at risk of losing these. life-saving drugs that we depend on well. then also the rise of Mera you know. medication resistant uh staff infections. are huge in this country I mean it's. such a giant issue when people get. surgery or if they get cuts and you know. in the Jiu-Jitsu Community it's a giant. issue and I have several friends that.

have gone through lengthly hospital. stays because they developed staff. infection that didn't respond to. antibiotics and it got systemic and it's. life-threatening and people have died. from it and it's something very scary. because they're pumping you full of. antibiotics intravenously and it's not. working the the antibiotics are not. killing this bacteria and this bacter is. consuming the person scary scary stuff. we're we're playing around with nature. itself and we're playing around with.

nature itself essentially just for. profit well and and unknowingly you know. I mean we don't we don't know what the. effects of this stuff's going to be. right but for short-term profits you. know that that's one of the the major I. think differences between uh businesses. like ours and corporations you know. corporations are so steadily focused on. quarterly reports and profits and you. know whatever else and there there have. been so many decisions in fact all of. the big decisions um recently certainly.

that when we get together my my wife my. sister my brother-in-law my dad and he. says you know do you want to buy this. land I'll die before it's paid off is. this something y'all want to do and he. abstains from the vote and you know my. sister my wife uh my brother-in-law we. all decide if that's something we can or. can't swing and so uh businesses run. like that for for the longevity versus.

businesses for for short-term profit. right uh have completely different. motivations yeah and you know we're. seeing the health consequences of that. with other things as well I was watching. this video the other day where this. gentleman was talking about farm rais. salmon being one of the most toxic. things that you can consume which is so. wild if you think about salmon Sal. salmon is just immediately associated. with health like oh guy's eating salmon. must care about pregnant or right right.

right right but people think about. salmon as being one of the healthiest. things and so this guy holds open this. fillet of salmon see if you can find a. video on it Jamie this guy takes this. filet of salmon and it's a fresh piece. of salmon and he opens it up and he's. like look at how easily these these. bones separate from the Flesh and the. color of the flesh is very different. which is one of the reasons why they. have to use dye when you see a farm. raised salmon and it's a dark red color.

a lot of times what you're getting is. people putting food coloring on the. salmon itself in order to make it that. color which is CRA because if you get a. wild salmon it's from the insects that. they consume that turns their flesh that. color it's crazy to me when I listen to. your episode with RFK and he was talking. about the mercury levels in fish yeah I. mean I was not a huge fish eater to. begin with but after that I was like. whoa this is incredible yeah it's pretty. wild the farm rais salmon thing is.

really crazy because people just don't. associate salmon at all with being. something that's not good for you or. food I mean why why should consumers. have to you know second guess the the. the nutritional density of. food because I've been in the. confinement animal business with cattle. and other species this thing about the. fish doesn't surprise me a bit I mean. it's when you raise an animal as a. monoculture mhm they going to be.

problems with it it's just as simple as. that you're going against nature and. you're pissing on your britches to try. to stay piss on your bres to stay warm. that's exactly right did you find a. video of the the farm Ray salmon there. are a lot of uh I think I found what you. were just talking about it's it's. disturbing Paulino probably yeah he just. put one up on social media did yeah. there we go so far give me some volume. on this GMO corn GMO soy Po and. medications to prevent overgrowth of.

bacterial infections because it's so. unhealthy all fish is going to. accumulate some heavy metals which is. not a good thing but wild salmon is a. much better choice than any Atlantic. salmon all Atlantic salmon is going to. be farm raised and we know that these. chemicals pcbs pbd are endocrine. disruptors yes it's an animal food it's. not a plant food but this is one of my. least favorite this he doesn't break no. he doesn't break it down but this one. gentleman uh takes a filet he uh takes a. fresh filet and opens it up for you to. see it and he shows how this this tissue.

is essentially just weak and soft and. it's just not the. same this just doesn't surprise me you. know. the ecosystems are meant to be different. species operating in symbiotic. relationships with each other yeah and I. don't care if it's cows or Hogs or. salimon or and me it doesn't matter when. you raise it in a. monoculture problems problems will occur. you f nature it's inevitable you fight.

nature the whole time that's right. there's just every reason for it not to. work well yeah and it seems like the the. whole movement of this happening has. happened for so long and we're just sort. of getting aware of it now I mean I've. just been aware of it over the last few. years the last decade or so but most. people aren't even aware of it at all. you think of the vast majority of. Americans hearing this are just going. what what's going on like this is now I.

have to pay attention to this too and. what do I do but you if if you think. about all the ecosystems that exist on. the Earth from Tundra to Desert to. Rainforest to Alpine on and. on there's not a monoculture anywhere I. don't believe you can find one anywhere. no everywhere there are plants and. animals and microbes living in symbiotic. relationships with each other yeah and. that's that's when you step away from. that which is what we've done in.

industrial farming with it's plants or. animals with it's peanuts or or Hogs. you're fighting nature every step of the. way and the. only the tools we use to fight nature. all have an unintended. consequence and and then we have to take. another tool to fight that unintended. consequence and another and another. similar to what she was talking about. with medical interv it's the same I was.

going started to say that you know what. what she described with the medical is. exactly what we've done in food. production one. expensive technological tool that we pay. money for that that fixes a problem but. creates another problem that requires. another. expensive technical tool and another and. another and another and there's no end. to it you know one thing that I'll say.

is that it has been. so uh interesting to watch nature. balance itself and the best example that. we have of that is that you know we. evolved as cattle people you know the. the first generation you know had. multispecies and you know continued and. then we became a monoculture of cattle. and uh you know around 2012 we started. diversifying again the first non- cattle. species that we introduced at White Oak. pastures was poultry and we we got good.

at raising them and the way we insisted. on raising poultry like all the rest of. the species is in an environment where. they can express their instinctive. Behavior so cattle Were Meant to roam. and graze Hogs Were Meant to root and. wallow chickens Were Meant to Peck and. scratch so our chickens were outside. unconfined unrestricted restricted you. know they could walk to Atlanta if they. wanted to um and shortly after we turned.

the chickens loose out on pasture we. noticed um maybe around. 2013 um a few bald eagles settled in and. you know Dad oh come come look this is. awesome you know mating pair it was. really neat we were proud of them you. know how American can you be you know I. mean it's is great and then the you know. they're migratory birds so they left and. the next year there were probably eight. or something and it was like man that's.

that's really cool you know they they. went and had such a great time here they. told their friends and you know brought. more back this is great and then you. know eight left they migrated away and. you know 20 came and the next year even. more and I think at one point there were. uh single sightings 84 bald eagles at. White Oak pasture at one time whereas. historically we had never had any bald. eagles I mean I I went 30 something. years never seeing a bald eagle but then.

in a a very short amount of time there. were 80s something and uh they they put. us near about out of the pastured. poultry business but that is just a. prime example of how nature will balance. itself yes how did you mitigate the. effects of the bald eagles go uh a. brilliant poltry manager that we had. came up with a plan to put the so so we. use Guardian dogs and the guardian dogs. are out there loose with with the. birds but they're nocturnal the the dogs.

are not are protecting the chickens from. nocturnal predators and the dogs are. nocturnal so they're working their butts. off from Sundown to. sunrise for coyotes and things kot. Bobcats raccoons possom skunks do do dot. but when uh when would the sun would. come up the dog would go to the woods. and bed down and it was fine but the. Eagles were daytime Predators we hadn't. had that before so they were eating us.

up uh and actually I mentioned that to. you the last time I was on and I told. you that uh uh we were at odds with the. government about a payment a uh. reimbursement for Life emnity program. livestock Indemnity program and uh they. wouldn't pay us and we uh for the. damages caused by protected species. right so that specifically if the birds.

were killed by a raccoon or posum or dog. they wouldn't but a protected species. like a cougar or wolf or Eagle you know. I'm not allowed to protect my birds so. they they pay and we uh we spent a lot. of money but we collected our payment. since I saw you last so well that's good. news yeah but is there a mitigation. effort that you could do daytime that's. natural to try to keep the we put the. dogs in with the birds in the fencing.

the dogs kept the Eagles at Bay not not. we don't get zero predation but it's. limited predation and I I don't want. zero predation I like seeing those bald. eagles I just don't want to see 80 dad. calls it uh Nature's tithe tithing to. Nature that's a good way of putting it I. like it there's one good stealing the. chicken yeah they're beautiful birds. it's kind of creepy though that the. American animal is just such a vicious.

Raptor so you know as I said an eagle. killing a chicken and eating it or two. or three is fine they would kill dozens. and dozens and dozens and not eat them. it was a sporting event to prove. hierarchy you know so it it was it was. like you know if if I want to be the top. of the food chain I kill more and more. and more I kid you not I um I had a. forerunner and I you know got up and you. know got in my car to go to work and I.

you know you crank up your car and then. you look up and there was the back end. the two feet and tail of a chicken on my. on my car and there was there was not. chickens anywhere probably within a mile. of of my house where I park uh so it was. it was a a bloody mess well they have. that same problem with Wolves M Surplus. killing that wolves will just have fun. and just kill 18 19 elk like there was.

an instance in Wyoming where there's. just it was like 18 or 19 cows that had. been slaughtered by wolves and just left. them there CU that's what they do and. when it's rare for them to get a chance. to kill some elk especially when they. reintroduce Wolves and the elk haven't. been accustomed to them and then all a. sudden the wolves are there and the cows. and the Bulls don't exactly know what to. do because they haven't encountered. wolves before and they just ran right. through them they they dropped the. population in Yellowstone. significantly which is where they.

initially introduced them but now. they're you know there there was an. article today that I was reading about. them in California that they're seeing. them in you know and they're migrating. into California and some of them are. being released in California by these uh. wacky Wildlife groups like I showed one. that was in central California was near. Bakersfield this lone wolf that was in a. cowpath that a friend of mine had filmed. beautiful big black wolf by himself that. most likely was brought there by. somebody nature ain't kind and nature.

ain't cruel she she's so beautiful yeah. it's beautiful but it it is what it is. you know that's one of the issues I. think that that some people uh focus on. with uh agriculture in general is that. they they have these expectations that. it is kind or it is Walt Disney World or. it is beautiful we had a situation where. we were um we were kidding so our goats. were uh you know kidding and we were we. were co- grazing a paddock so there were. hogs in with goats and what what it was.

the wire called the the Bob or the fence. page wire page wire and a goat got her. head stuck this is terrible I can't. believe I'm saying the pig ate her the. pigs ate the kid so she she had uh a kid. and the you know the the Hogs smelled. the blood they came they they uh they. ate the baby goats and as sad as it was. that is nature now we don't we don't kid. with pigs anymore but uh we we learned.

our lesson new new Ru starting right now. we ain't going to do that no more yeah. well makes sense it's incredible pigs. will eat everything yeah anything and. everything yeah um do you have an issue. with pigs getting loose and becoming. wild and do your pigs look wild because. pigs are one of the weird animals that. if they're not domesticated it's like. when people see a domesticated Pig like. like babe right like they think of. that's what pigs are like pigs are one. of the strangest animals because when. you release them into the wild within a.

month or so they start to metamorphosize. they do they absolutely do they they get. the the tushes and longer snouts and. thicker fur and I have no idea how they. do that it's crazy it's incredible yeah. but yes we've had that I wonder if that. happens with people too you know you. think about wild people. kids going feral well it's humans if if. humans had to live in a w i mean I think. there's a certain amount of wild. instincts that humans have that are.

suppressed by modern society and rightly. so I mean you want to live in a city you. have to suppress some of the the Natural. Instincts of predatory human beings and. you know we have wild dogs dogs behave. differently but they don't they don't. they don't look different to me right. that's that's important we've had cattle. that That Got Away they didn't look any. different to me right but somehow Hogs. just change yeah they change their. actual physical features morph yeah when. people think of wild bores they think.

that that's a different species and it's. not and that's what's really wild it's. one genus it's Sous scraa it's the same. thing which is so bizarre that's bizarre. yeah you know uh I went pig hunting. recently in California and uh this place. that I go there's there's a lot of them. and the pig that I shot doesn't look. anything like a pig that you would in a. farm not at all it's just dark hairy. thing with a long nose and big tusks and. it's a big sucker that's what we do so.

you know guys in Austin go and sip. cocktails at some of these neon light. bars downtown the guys in bluon they go. hog hunting and some of the [ __ ] that. they overturn I mean they're Hogs big as. this table yeah I mean it's it's. incredible but you know we you know. different breeds have different. characteristics there a Glouchester old. spot this a tan hog with black spots all. over it there's a Hampshire this black. hog it's got a White Band across his. shoulders on and on and on like just a.

bunch of them but when they go wild they. get that that elongated snout but course. the color doesn't change so it's just. incredible how that works that is. incredible it's a strange animal yeah. yeah it's a very bizarre animal that we. domesticated the fact that it does that. cuz I don't know of any other animal. that morphs so quickly do Pork yeah you. do eat pork it's delicious yeah it's. delicious I like wild pork too yeah but. you know obviously wild pork comes with. the the worry of uh trichinosis and all.

sorts of other things that they get just. got to cook it it doesn't worry me yeah. you just got to cook it yeah you just. got to make sure that it's the right. temperature you know you said something. that was interesting that I can um that. I can speak to and you know something. inside of you that wants to experience. nature you know it's just something. that's just out of visic you know about. watching nature and we have you know we. have a lot of people visit White Oak. pastures every year and one of the. things that they love the most are our.

big cattle moves uh we've got how many. breeding mamas that big her is a. thousand head in it and then uh so a. thousand head and we move them in the. growing season every single day I saved. a video uh that Jamie can play or not. play it doesn't matter um but uh. customers PE people any anybody loves to. take a step back into time and into. something that's just so uh it just.

awakens your soul look at all those cows. wow all it's not just newcomers I've. been doing it for 60 something years and. I I love watching a cattle move yeah. yeah look at. that pretty cool they have not been in. confinement they're coming out of a big. pasture to go into a big pasture they. but they had eaten it down and it's time. for them to. rotate Scott cowboy with his two working.

dogs and it seems like instinctively. they know this and the dogs obviously. are moving them along but they they know. they know exactly where they're going. you know the dogs the dogs and the guy. are really just to encourage the ones. that don't feel good that day somebody's. got a hurt. foot to go through and now into this new. pastor wow wild Tel that tunnel is under. the four lane road that goes through our. Farms oh wow that's pretty cool hang on.

this next this next scene is sort of. like the it's the big there we go wow. looks like Buffalo that's crazy look at. all those cows that is wild but they do. that every day and and uh you know. people love I love to see it he loves to. see it he sees it every day but it there. just there is there's something in. inside of you that wants to be a part of. that system you go to a you know to a. cafo to a confinement situation have you. ever been to a a you know feed lot of of.

conf confinement animal feeding. operations C J gole not up close Jamie. will you Google a cafo and and there's. nothing about that that makes you want. to watch it it's so starkly different. it's like seeing people in. prison you don't watch that well I was. going to say that about pigs I've seen. industrialized pig farms and where. they're all confined to these very small. cages terrible it's very disturbing and. it's also I mean that's where disease.

gets I mean that's what human beings. encountered in you know when there was. poor hygiene and no sanitation in the. United States those are the rise of a. lot of plagues you see a c a CAO like. that they're probably. feeding uh sub therapeutic levels of. antibiotics in the feed to keep them. from getting sick look how many of them. there are and if you want a McDonald's. cheeseburger that's what it is it's just. it's just so interesting because you. know PE people don't associate they say.

cows a cows a cow cows are ruining the. planet cow cow cow there's there are no. correlations between these two systems. that are the same I mean they're they're. no it's completely different a and when. they talk about cows uh causing uh. ecological change I agree in that in. that scenario yes it's a different deal. it's a totally different deal I I would. challenge anybody to look at that video. that you just posted and not say oh that.

looks normal the video that you showed. looks normal when they're running. through the Field Green Grass the cows. are all roaming around eating the grass. that's what they're supposed to do and. they don't need sub therapeutic. antibiotics they're fine but you're also. getting a lower yield yes yeah and it. takes longer yeah I think an animal that. we would Slaughter weighs about 1,000. PBS and takes us like 36 months to get. it there a commodity animal would weigh. 1,600 lb up to up to 1,600 lb and would. take how.

long list in two years so I mean yeah. lot a lot of difference in yield a lot. of difference in yield a lot of. difference in the volume and the amount. of time it cost per pound yeah it makes. sense how many people have reached out. to you have a lot of people reached out. to you uh after you've gone public with. all this stuff and become sort of higher. profile and and wanted help and trying. to figure out how they could do that for. themselves yeah we formed a uh a.

nonprofit. 501c3 Sear Center for agricultural. resilience resilience that's the word. and uh we're training people uh we have. an internship program PE that's we take. six or eight per quarter four times a. year we get 20 something applications we. can't Train everybody. we're not we're not set up for that we. are there you go we are. increasing uh our capacity but we you.

know I it's not going to be a college. it's going to be a farm but we do want. to be generous and share what we've. learned with other. people it's. just boy it's it's beautiful what you. guys do it really is and it's uh I think. for a lot of people it's very satisfying. to see and it seems very natural and. very normal and it seems like the right. way to go um. but for the vast majority of people that. are getting their food this is not going.

to be an option with with what's. currently required to feed 300 plus. million people well it's highly. replicatable and I understand what. you're saying but all these things that. are going wrong with the with the the. big industrial production that has. problems too yes so yeah I don't know. the price is probably a lot closer per. pound when you take in the external cost. then industrial agriculture takes.

outside of the the cost of producing. food that's not at you know the per. pound price on the label but it it would. take someone a lot smaller than you or I. to figure out how to scale that and how. to make that available for everyone and. how to encourage people to do that I. don't think you're I mean I think the. only way to encourage industrial Farms. to change is financially yeah there has. to be some sort of a c like they have to. be responsible for this damage they're. doing they have to be respon and then.

then also the health consequences if. someone starts saying hey you know what. you're doing to these animals is having. a direct effect on human beings that. consume them and you're responsible for. that if there's a change it will be a. consumer Le change that's the only way. it's going to happen so it'll be a it'll. have to be a change of people voting. with their money there's no other the. way that's going to happen yeah and it's. going to have to get really bad before. that occurs on a wholesale basis and. what scares me is that that's when.

opportunists and people that have a lot. of money and influence and people that. are in positions of Power are going to. try to encourage people to do something. else instead that that that's profitable. and they're going to try to blame cattle. instead of blaming monocrop Agriculture. and they're going to try to force people. to eat plant-based meat which is which. has really been interesting to me. because that's one of the in instances. where people have voted with their. dollar because when they first started. introducing things like beyond meat or. impossible meat or whatever the [ __ ].

it's called when they started doing that. stuff you know initially a lot of people. like oh this is great until people tried. it like oh my God this is terrible and. then when people saw studies that shows. that it gives rats cancer they're like. rats rats e rats what it going to do to. me yeah what is it going to do to me and. so the stock on those things has dropped. off substantially and because of that. there's there been lawsuits where a lot. of people invested in these things. hoping for a very specific amount of. return and it's not get they're not. getting it and people are not buying it. and some people are buying it but it's.

just a very very small in terms of like. what they thought it was going to be. versus what it is now and so now the new. thing is 3D printed meat or cell grown. meat yeah cell grown meat which is. essentially the same thing I think CU. they're taking that cell grown meat and. then they're using 3D printers to try to. replicate it and artificially created. ribey it's biz Zar and what are the. health consequences of that like who. knows what what you know what does that. do for you I have never been and am.

not economically threatened by this kind. of Technology meat you know I I don't. have a very big customer base and. they're not going to swing from where I. am right way over there right and the I. think that the uh the entities that are. threatened by this techn high-tech meat. is the big meat companies mhm that are. industrially producing meat and evidence.

of that is a lot of them have invested. in that yeah no I think they are and I. think they do realize that that the the. plant-based meat is a bust and also more. and more people are becoming aware of. the health consequences of industrial. seed oils and how many of these. industrial seed oils are used in the. processing creation of these artificial. plant-based meats and it you know those. these things cause inflammation they. cause a host of health problems in. people's. bodies yeah his mother grew up cooking.

everything in lard and then when Chrisco. came along that was like the thing you. know like it it this these vegetable. oils these canola oil Sun you know. sunflower oil it was like this very. Stark change and uh one thing that has. been interesting for me is that you know. in the last 24 months our SE fat and. pork lard is you know one of the fastest.

moving items that we sell is because. people refuse to to cook in canola oil. and peanut oil and whatever they're. finally becoming aware it used to be a. disposal problem yeah that's right we uh. we we put in a uh biodiesel yeah a a. biodiesel converter you know so most of. the stuff we have that's waste we can. compost compost uh fat does not compost. good well so we we uh spent a lot of.

money on a biodiesel converter that. didn't work worth a time so the idea was. to convert fat into diesel yeah and and. we did we it just didn't the yield was. terrible it's hard it's hard better for. food we were just trying to get rid of. it right and uh and now I have a. biodiesel converter I would love to sell. gas got so cheap because we we uh we. sell all our lard and tal all all the. beef and pork fat well I think that is. because of education and unintended.

education that's not not public. education this is education that's. coming from people discussing this on. podcasts and people that are reading. articles about the consequences of. industrial seed oils also the origins of. these industrial seed oils that they're. originally industrial lubricants that. weren't designed for human consumption. and Then I Had Gary Brea on the podcast. the other day fascinating guy who. details the process that's involved in. converting rape seed oil which is canola.

oil into what you know is what they. think of when people think of canola oil. they think oh it's corn oil it's healthy. it's vegetable oil good for you no no no. your body's not supposed to eat that. it's not supposed to get that much of it. first of all also it's rancid and they. have to use chemicals to treat the smell. they have to bleach it to make it clear. there's like so many things that are. involved in the processing of that junk. and then you put it in your body to. cause a host of problems and people are. finally becoming aware of these problems.

and also becoming aware of other options. like olive oil avocado. oil animal fat yes it's like fast food. there there is no fast food that's. cooked in animal fat right there there. are you know if you eat fast food is. 100% seed oils right so there's a real. rub because there is this education. around what seed oils are doing but you. know people say oh my gosh I can't go. out and eat uh you know Paul saladino's. been you know so instrumental in that.

yes and you know they they McDonald's. used to cook their fries in the lard. they sure did hey McDonald T how about. back T wasn't it yeah it was t t be beef. fat yeah be fat yeah and and and they're. so good they spent a fortune to make. them worse and to try to make the. vegetable taste like the to cook yeah. it's crazy it's a I mean french fries. cooked in t [ __ ] tastes good it's good. it does taste good and it's not as bad. for.

you here it is like most fried foods. McDonald's fries are cooked in canola. oil didn't used to be the case beef. towel was initially used because the. supplier for the chain couldn't afford. vegetable oil as health concerns over. saturated fat grew in the 1990s [ __ ]. McDonald's finally made the switch to. vegetable what drives me nuts about that. saturated fat thing is that's a small. number of scientists that were bribed. what is essentially uh the equivalent of. $50,000 in today's market oh man so. these guys were they were bribed by the.

sugar industry to write a [ __ ]. article that made this connection. between saturated fat and heart disease. because they were trying to lead people. away from the the actual conclusion is. that it's sugar and that sugar is what's. bad for everybody and that's what's. causing the increase and it's all these. corn oils but research today is exactly. the same yes what do you who's who's. writing the check what do you want the. paper to say right what what outcome are. we looking for exactly that's is so. scary it is scary it's scary because the.

consumer for the most part relies upon. the air quote experts that's right and. these air air quote experts like we. detailed with the FDA how they go. immediately into some sort of a cushy. job in in these corporations afterwards. it's sick it's really it's really. twisted and you know and the UN. unintended consequences for the consumer. is your health and you don't even know. what's going on behind the scenes you. trust these experts you trust these.

governing bodies to do the right thing. and when they make things illegal or. they they ban things you think oh. they're banning things because it's bad. for you and it turns out no some of the. things they're banning for you are very. good for you but they compete with some. of the things that are paying them. off that they can profit for more they. can profit from it's spooky stuff but. the only way that Chang. is through education and and then you're. seeing these Downstream effects of that. education like with the fact that you. guys are selling lard and Tallow now so. people are waking up and and liver and.

kidneys and hearts we used to we used to. uh literally compost all those kinds of. organs we sell a few but now we sell out. of those kinds of org yeah I think the. some of the highest priced per pound. meat items that we sell are the most new. nutrient-dense parts of the carcass oh. my God how about that crazy how about. that people are eating for nutritional. benefit finally shocking you you know. what coyotes eat the first night they.

kill a calf the guts guts yeah they go. right for the liver that's what wolves. eat the alpha wolf is the one that first. gets the liver when there's a kill. watching Nature has been so interesting. just to to to tell that story a little. deeper you know dad always said if if a. a bad herdsman has a calf go down the. first night the Cody will chew through. the anus and eat the most nutrient-dense. parts of the carcass the liver uh the. kidneys the spleen and it's full you. know they they can't eat more than they.

can hold and it's not like they're going. to preserve it and store it so you know. they leave they rest during the day and. if the farmer doesn't pick up that. carcass the next night they'll come back. and eat the muscle Meats so they'll chew. on the shoulder the back legs and you. know they'll eat till they get full and. then they'll Retreat they'll you know. sleep during the day and then if the. farmer still does not pick up that dead. carcass they'll chew on the hide uh and. you know there's a a lot that goes into. like the hair in digestion and pushing.

it through the stomach but that's the. way animals evolved and the first thing. that they eat we so pretentiously want. ribe eyes and New York strips and F. minan when in reality the most. nutrient-dense parts of the carcass are. so far from that right the liver in the. heart that's right yeah it's a lot with. Hunters unfortunately you know when I go. hunting I I always take the liver in the. heart from the elk and some people just. don't do it they just leave it there.

it's unfortunate because it's the best. stuff for you that's right but elk liver. is rough that's that's an acquired one. you got you got to season that cook it. with onions and it's like you got to be. ready you got to be ready that's a. flavor take it like a capsule well you. know it's interesting cuz the commanches. used to eat it raw with bile on it they. used to eat bison raw bison and they. would flavor it with bile wow yeah they. would squirt bile on it that's. incredible I don't know why I mean it.

has to be some sort of an evolutionary. thing where they realize that that's the. most nutritious that has the best. benefits it's best for you I don't know. what whether it aids in digestion I. don't know but well there are tribs in. Africa that still drink blood yeah. that's not as rough though blood they. drink blood they drink blood mix with. milk blood doesn't taste that bad you. know I've drank blood before it's not. that bad but it's. bile that's another level and you have.

to wonder how cultures evolve their. their their taste buds and their. preferences um Anthony Bourdain told me. that the most disgusting food that he. had ever eaten was um this fermented. shark that he ate I believe it was in. Iceland and he said it it's a delicacy. to them and they treasure it and they. they eat it and he said you it is rough. he's like it is so foul and so. disgusting but they like it and it's a. weird thing like acquired tastes are.

very bizarre cuz like why would you. acquire that taste who came up with that. yeah what is that I used to think that. when I was a kid like the first time I. ever had a taste of whiskey I was like. what who this is not Kool-Aid Kool-Aid. is so much better that's I remember. thinking that as a kid like if I had a. glass of Koolaid or a glass of whiskey. who the [ __ ] is going to take the. whiskey used to it though didn't you you. get used to it it's becomes an acquired. taste now I really like an old scotch. you know I like it like I actually like. it an ice cube a nice 18-year-old Scotch. it's it's good you know a glass of.

Buffalo Trace with a ice cube in it I. enjoy it but how how do how does one. acquire taste for something that's. initially so disgusting and why you know. I get it with whiskey because it gets. you lit but I do not get it with certain. food like I guess fermented shark it was. probably a survival thing they probably. like needed some food that they could. store for long periods of time when they. weren't going to have any food. especially in places like Iceland it's a. very rough climate that's right but you.

know that's neither here nor there if. people could eat a little bit of liver. in their diet I mean I have friends that. are very health conscious that only eat. it for the health benefits they don't. enjoy it but they'll eat one ounce of. liver every day that's right freeze it. cut it into little cubes and drop it in. the back of your mouth yeah you can do. it way just get through it take you like. a capsule boy you put some liver in. front of Marshall she just can't eat it. fast and lunges on it I Fe fed him some. elk liver I'll slice off a piece and. give it to and he's like come on come on. you got some more you got some more like.

this is incredible it's like instinctive. it's in his DNA that that is what he. wants I had a boxer who is still to this. day like my BFF she died like three. years ago and I'm still not over it but. I trained her with liver and I would you. know go to the kill floor at the plant. you know get some uh you know cut it the. little bites and I'd train her until she. puked and then she'd be ready to go. again that's crazy yeah Food Training is. the best way to train a dog especially. with liver yeah especially with liver it.

is fascinating that we've moved away. from that to the point where people. crave the least healthy things like you. know [ __ ] Cheetos you know like we we. I don't know what it is I don't I I. guess well I think specifically in the. case of like really. unnitrided is that these scientists have. engineered these things the right amount. of saltiness the right amount of sweet. and flavors that you know what's the the. the Pringles thing bet you can't eat.

just one one oh yeah I see yeah and kind. of you can't pop one and you can't stop. yeah oh my God for me it's Ruffles the. because the thickness buy a bag and you. don't get mad about it oh my God I can't. stop I can't stop I just keep chewing. them down I know it's terrible for you. Doritos that's another one like what is. on Doritos yeah Cool Ranch Doritos that. they have never met a Cool Ranch in. their [ __ ] life but but there what is. a cool ranch I don't. know huh oh yeah that is a cool ranch. that's a cool ranch you guys have a cool.

ranch that's a cool ranch yeah it's a. different thing yeah but you're not. going to see white oak pastures Doritos. no you're. right yeah it it is interesting how our. our our food system has been hijacked. and how the expectation for food to be. so incredibly flavorful that's the. expectation now yes and and you do get. accustomed to it you know you get. accustomed to certain sort of tastes and. that's one of the reasons why people. think that wild meat is gy like that's. the concern you know like whether wild.

meat is game me and most of that when. they talk about wild game it's really. just a poor uh handling of the meat it's. allowing the meat to get too hot to sit. in the Sun not cooling the animal down. not getting it on ice fast enough that's. really or dragging it through the Sage. Brush after you SL Ed it you know that's. that's really what it is yeah you're. culturally weak grits and drink sweet. tea and eat fried vegetables just there. a lot of cultural stuff there yeah a lot. of cultural stuff and then you get.

accustomed to those foods and they. become Comfort foods and unfortunately a. lot of those Comfort foods are really. terrible for you you know the one of the. things that Gary um that we when we. discuss these things uh with when I. discuss these things with experts I'm. always Blown Away by things that I. didn't know before and what Gary Breo. was talking talking about the other day. was uh folate and that you know these. enriched flowers that are enriched with. folate which is very different than. folic acid which is naturally occurring.

and that this or is the opposite folic. acid is what's not right what is it I. know one's a really big deal toate is. normal folate is yeah I I made it. backwards yeah so I made it backwards. folate is naturally occurring but folic. acid is not and your body doesn't. process it the same so when you're. getting all these enriched flowers. They're enriched with something that. your body doesn't want your body's like. what is this [ __ ] and that's why so many. people on top of the fact that a lot of.

you know they've changed the way wheat. is grown to make it more high yield so. it's got more complex glutens in it and. then it's enriched with folate or folic. acid rather yeah it's terrible for you. well again PE we're not really growing. food anymore we're growing food like. ingredients that can then be. manufactured into something that's put. into a a package with a shiny label that. may or may not be indicative of what's. actually in the package and then we. serve it to people at something that. they can afford yeah well I'm very very.

I'm very very very thankful for people. like you that you folks have first of. all made this incredibly difficult. decision to take your farm and to. convert it o over much cost and. heartache and a lot of pain and a lot of. backbreaking work to turn it into this. regenerative farm and then you've gone. out and told the world and you've shown. that it could be done and you you've. shown especially through these videos. where people can see it and through. these conversations that we've had where. people can become educated that we don't.

you don't have to eat that way you don't. have to live that way and it's you're. not supposed to it's not good for you. it's not good for the world it's not. good for the environment it's it's it's. not good for anybody and that if it. wasn't for people like you that to made. this decision it's very difficult. decision to do this I think your your. the conversations that we've had the. conversations you've had with other. people writing this book and having. these people understand these things has. changed the way most people think and.

feel about food itself thank you Jamie. made a little spill here but I I'm very. very thankful that you guys have done. this and also Joel saltin who's been on. this podcast before is a very similar. type of operation at polyface farms and. I know there's some other ones too so. shout out to them as well but if it. wasn't for you folks I mean who knows. who knows where we'd be at and I think. people would be stuck without a solution. because even the term grass-fed beef. when I was a kid you never heard about. grass-fed beef that wasn't even a term.

that people were familiar with it's it's. a fairly new understanding and I think. that if it wasn't for people like you. that are out there shouting it from the. barn Toops you know I would say rooftop. but this is you know you're doing it the. right way I appreciate you guys very. much well thank you for those kind words. but I really don't feel like we deserve. them the quality of our life has. increased so. dramatically and and it really is almost. the opposite I don't feel like anything.

we've done we've done for other people. we did it for oursel but I'm delighted. that other people have benefited from it. and now what I wish is that more Farmers. could share in the uh. improved lifestyle that we that we now. enjoy not necessarily economic but. otherwise and I wish that that would. make more of this food available for.

more consumers who would embrace it I. mean. everybody everybody's boat floats on. that Rising. tide but it's just really hard to get it. started just really difficult and and. you know sadly it the good news is that. there are those of us out there not just. us but a number of them of us that have. shown that it can be done the bad news. is it's probably harder today than it.

was 20 25 years ago so why is it harder. because of the because the industrial. food. companies moving to come into the space. like this whole thing greenwash product. greenwash with imported you know. imported product and words that are so. loosely defined and not indicative of. the attributes that that they represent. like free range yeah yeah and product of. the USA what you highlighted earlier but.

you know the consumer if if if we could. move uh the way we produce food consume. food in this country the consumers would. be so much better off the producers. would be so much better off the land the. water rural landscape it's just wind. wind wind in and today the winners are. big. multinational food producing. corporations and Hightech corporations.

and I've got to imagine that for you the. personal satisfaction of running a farm. the way you do has got to be much. greater it's got to feel much better on. your conscience it's got to feel much. more natural yeah and and uh I it's. every sense of the word you know to be. in that uh that one click in that path. the the food production food delivered. from the farmer the. consumer I don't think anybody ever. enjoys that it's just the hand that. stealt us but when you take control of.

your own tiny tiny little food. production system it's just it's just. great it's just great and the evidence. here is I've got Jenis Jen is here with. me I need to mention I've got another. daughter Jody who came back here her. wife Amber a son-in-law John they. wouldn't have come back if I was an. industrial beef supp beef producer like. I used to be they wouldn't have wanted.

to and I wouldn't have encouraged them. to but the fact that we made these. changes has created a an entity that you. why we're not blown away with profits. it's just very very pleasant to be part. of that's beautiful well thank you very. much for being here PA of you really. really appreciate you and appreciate. what you're doing and uh tell everybody. to get this book it's called a bold. return to give a dam Will Harris White. Oaks pastures thank you very much sir.

major business C all right beautiful. that was actually a rib bone of a cow. nice and then uh so the meat went. obviously to be sold as grass-fed beef. the bones were boiled for stock so we. sell sell some broth and then the the. leftover of that we turn into business. cards that's got one that he's been. carrying around for a very long time. it's years that's a crazy business card. and he he'll say if you want to get in. touch with me you better take a picture. Ah that's awesome thank you very much.

thanks for being here appreciate you bye. everybody thank. [Music]. [Applause]. you.