Joe Rogan Experience #2056 - David Blaine

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day hello David how are you what's. happening good to see you good to see. you how you been good to see you're. still. alive you're not full of visible holes. not come. wood what are you been up to man um. spending a lot of time with my daughter.

uh number one and then number two I've. been working on this series for National. Geographics I've been traveling around. the world searching. for these people that do incredible. Feats that they've passed down through. generations and I'm trying to learn but. it's a fast learning curve so it is the. most dangerous thing that I've ever done. in my life but I have the best of the. best helping so that says a lot cuz. you've done by far the most yeah yes.

whoa well you showed me some things off. camera that we can't talk about but well. you can talk about them I just can't. show it though okay well um so the. scariest thing was like three days ago I. kiss a king cobra yeah saw in the wild. yeah what is is there a trick to that is. there a a is it a movement thing do you. move slowly so you don't I studied for. weeks and just tried to understand their. behavior and worked with different. cobras and and was I had a team around.

me that that taught me how to move. quickly and get out of the way what. happens if you get. bit well they have enough Venom to kill. full grown elephant in 30 minutes so we. had antivenom we had that there but but. still in my case I don't trust that and. even if you get anti venom it's still a. rough ride even you live right yeah is. it simil amazing it was incredible is it. similar to rattlesnake venom cuz. rattlesnake venom essentially it's a.

neuro yeah I mean digests your body this. this one shuts everything down so your. heart your lungs everything just start. to so were they like ready on standby. with a needle well they don't they put. it in a serum you have to go to a. hospital we had go to the hospital yeah. so you have to travel but we had an. ambulance right there and how far is the. hospital it was 20 minutes away oh God. so 20 minutes of king oh God so 20. minutes of King Cobra Venom.

it was the scariest and most intense. thing I've ever. done yeah how many of these guys die. doing this well the the snake we the two. snakes we had one of them killed its. previous previous owner oh boy yeah and. they kill snake after it kills the. previous this guy died so exactly right. that's. right oh boy it's it's but it. is kind of incredible cu.

you there's another guy named Chris. sweet who um well that's his Instagram. name but he lives in Thailand with 90. venomous snakes and he just lets them. move through his legs through he's well. he was bitten twice on my birthday and. his heart stopped two times but he lets. him just while you were there no no no. no on April 4th I mean oh okay yeah but. he but he's so calm with them and he. studies their behavior and he watches.

how they move and then he gently takes. them out and there was one we were. outside and the scariest thing wasn't. trying to kiss it exactly yeah and I. think that's a snake called a Spire yeah. so that that's one that was slithering. through my legs and you have to keep. your heart rate down cuz if they sense. they have phermones they detect if. you're nervous or uncomfortable so. anytime I would get like super tense I. would have to I'd walk away carefully.

but oh boy yeah that's him and that's. yep that's a snake called a Spire it has. a you're so good at finding. everything. wow oh my God it's trying to bite you. through the. glass why is it trying to bite you. through the glass but won't try to bite. you when you're right there well there. it's feeding oh when it smells snake or. food it becomes aggressive so you have. to make sure you don't smell like any. other snakes or anything or food what. kind of food eat snakes the king cobras.

they eat other snakes yeah not king. cobras but other snakes other snakes. yeah. dude. okay do you have a second guess when. you're about to do something like this. that one I second guessed I left I left. and then came back a few months later. and did it again I wouldn't go I was too. afraid to go near it what made you go. back well I went to Cleveland and I. trained with my friend Mike and my other.

friend Chris Gillette who's gator boy. Chris who's amazing and we slowly. started to understand just a little bit. of the behavior of king cobras and then. I went back to Indonesia trained with. Fitz who's unbelievable with how he. handles the cobras and slowly I felt. okay but there was days I wouldn't even. do. anything so luckily I had a week which. is still a really fast learning curve. yeah normally trained for something for.

a year but with this show I get like a. few days and then I have to try to do. it oh. boy so what strategies you using to keep. your heart rate low like when if you. feel yourself freaking out how do you. calm yourself down I I get out you just. get out yeah yeah just get out and. regroup. yeah yeah. David but that's the last dangerous. thing I'm going to do like that that's. it ever yeah yeah like that yeah well.

I'm glad you're alive and I feel like in. my I did in my show in Vegas I was. jumping from uh like the height of a. nine-story building Landing in boxes and. I dislocated my shoulder it came down to. my. armpit but in retrospect I think I was. lucky because that could have been. really bad it could have been the neck. it could have been something else oh. yeah so did you get surgery no I didn't. get the surgery what they do just pop. there was an orthopedic surgeons. convention in Vegas at that time so I.

had five orthopedic surgeons in the off. in the audience and one was a shoulder. specialist and he they all came on stage. and they and he popped it right back in. so then I walked out to do the show Joe. with but but I my arm was all numb it. stayed numb for like two months but I. was going like this to get like to see. if I could get feeling back and it fell. back out so I had to go back on stage. they popped it back in and then I did. the whole show with one. arm yeah that's it yeah that's a bad one.

I think that's the one I got. injured. yeah and my friend Doug who's with the. hat right there he when I jumped he knew. that something was going to go wrong he. bent over and took a heavy breath cuz he. knew that was a. one there's a a gentleman named Yuri. prasa he was the UFC light heavyweight. champion and his shoulder dislocated. during training and his trainers tried. to pop it back into place and they were. yank ing on it and they just destroyed.

his shoulder they tore everything apart. just kind of pulling on it and it ripped. apart they the UFC doctor said it was. the worst shoulder injury he'd ever seen. that's crazy and he's fighting again. next weekend got it repaired he got. surgery yep got surgery vacated his. title and now he's back fighting for the. title next weekend yeah mine is still. messed up really yeah like in what way. well I haven't I can't really work out. or do anything the same way how long ago.

uh maybe March did you get an MRI oh. many MRI what is what's the damage no it. was really bad I ripped through the. ligaments I it was bad it came down to. here right why didn't they do surgery I. didn't I'm like afraid of surgery I have. to say like horrified of it why are you. afraid of surgery I don't know you're. not afraid of King Cobra yeah it's crazy. but I'm horrified of surgery why I don't. know yeah you should probably get. surgery um what like specifically which.

which uh ligaments I have a lot of. experience with this stuff uh I have all. the scans and the whole write up of it. so I can show it to you and so it's just. very weak and it's uh not stable can't h. no I can go overhead so I'm good like. that it's just hard to like push things. no I can still do it but not like I used. to have you ever gotten stem cells no. you should get stem cell therapy on it. that could help a lot I avoided surgery. completely with stem cells really yeah I. had a full length rotator cuff tear on. my right shoulder shoulder went away the.

doctor said it was extraordinary he went. to look at it 6 months later and the the. tear was completely gone he said this is. insane and this is yeah they can do wild. how did you you rip your rotator cuff. training just Jiu-Jitsu like too hard I. don't know but it was a slow or it was a. one time you uh you know Jiu-Jitsu is. it's very addictive and a lot of times. you get injured and you're like ah I. still can roll I'm going to go back in. and you go back in with like [ __ ] up. discs and a tweaked knee and a [ __ ] up.

shoulder and I know a lot of guys that. have some pretty significant injuries. and they just can't stop training they. just enjoy it so much right um stem. cells could help you a lot specifically. if you go out of the country because. they can do some wild [ __ ] that they. can't do in America because the FDA I. have some good friends that run a clinic. in Tijana it's called a CPI and a bunch. of my friends have gone down there a. bunch of UFC fighters can help you a lot. I'd be so afraid though why I don't know. why are you talking about being afraid. of that maybe because when I was young.

and my mother was sick and you know that. that whole thing maybe well this this is. uh what they can do with modern stem. cels is pretty. extraordinary but unfortunately the. United States has very limited in what. you can get away with here right yeah. they're constantly putting restrictions. on it unfortunately for no reason you. know doesn't it doesn't make any sense. the the there's no downsides I feel like. also just when I eat right and and and.

do everything perfectly the inflammation. all goes away for sure and then the pain. goes away and it's much better so for. sure yeah that that's definitely a. factor yeah inflammation's. huge and a lot of it does come from bad. food a lot of it comes from too much. sugar too much bread pasta that kind of. [ __ ] ice cream all that [ __ ] all the. stuff that's. good but yeah I'll afterwards I'll. connect you with those. people okay yeah I bet it can help you a. lot and it doesn't hurt I mean oh really.

there's no downside no it's not going to. hurt you no no you'll go there they'll. what they'll do is they'll do uh IV stem. cells they'll do local stem cells into. whatever the area that's injured and. then they'll use hyperbaric chambers. which also accelerates the healing. they'll have you down there for a few. days and uh I I guarantee you a few. months later you'll feel significantly. better wow yeah that is all dependent. upon what structure issues you have now.

if you have something that's completely. torn off the bone and it's not connected. anymore they can't help with that I. don't think it's that bad because I can. already do this m sometimes you can do. that even though it's torn cuz there. other ligaments that compensate and. other muscles that compensate and I. still have a little bit of numbness down. here by the way yeah was really crazy. cuz I was numb all the way to here for. for like months yeah that's generally. that's nerve damage it takes a long time. time for that stuff to nerve damage is.

rough but I feel like I got off easy oh. yeah could have been your neck yeah for. sure right so I feel like that was a. good lesson yeah don't do. that well not every night don't do it. period don't do it again the craziest. thing was we only had insurance for the. first 10 shows and the injury was on the. 10th show oh boy so Monday morning the. insurance company called they said do. you want to discuss uh this new. condition yeah. so that that was the end of that yeah.

which is a good thing yeah don't do. that you're. uh you've done some extraordinary things. with yourself I mean you really have. some crazy things yeah some crazy things. but offer entertainment and not I mean. it's interesting because it's it is. entertainment but it's also. entertainment and sort of educating. people the the boundaries of what the. mind can force the body to do you know. like the one when you did with you're. frozen in ice yeah like that's basically.

just you standing standing and using. breathing techniques and your mind to to. deal with that situation how long was. that for I think 63 hours yeah that's a. long time but my brain tweaked at 55. hours yeah yeah well you well you. probably weren't sleeping right no you. can't right so there probably a lot of. the brain tweaking is just from that. yeah wouldn't you imagine I think that. plus the extreme. extreme cold and lack of sleep and.

you're standing up standing and I had. edema my ankles had blown could imagine. yeah how long it take you recover from. that uh a while yeah I couldn't even. walk for a. while oh. David but I was lucky because it was a. 68 degree November so the air pumping. through was 68 degrees so it created. that drip that was awful from the ice. but that that helped significantly I.

think well even just standing still for. see how happy I am yeah you look super. happy you're probably. hallucinating that does look like the be. that's hallucination right there that's. where I'm hallucinating what did you see. oh everything like what my mother was in. the ice talking to me and my girlfriend. was in the ice talking to me and uh time. moved completely different it was crazy. wow but kind of amazing at the same time.

wow yeah but but kind of horrific I can. imagine the way I explained it was like. having nightmares with my eyes open wow. I think your brain is doing anything it. can to trick you to try to quit so you. can go to sleep considering all the. things you've done you're in. remarkably good. condition uh time will tell but I mean. you're walking around you're talking. everything's fine I mean hopefully. you're right yeah.

yeah but I'm always pushing it no no I'm. always concerned about the the the the. effects you know yeah I would imagine. yeah something to be concerned about. yeah cuz I want now that I have a. daughter I want to live long you know I. want to live to 100 right that's. possible if you don't get bit by a cobra. totally B then now is probably the best. time ever to have that go well have the. goal of living to 100 with modern.

science and medicine yeah I believe it's. possible it's. for people live to 100 but I think diet. is everything it's a lot of it are are. you pretty diligent with your diet well. since the injury kind of gave me an. excuse to not be but I need to get. serious again the injury gave you an. excuse to not be yeah how come I don't. know I was like [ __ ] this you. know that's funny yeah no if you I mean. it seems simple but it is true that your.

body is essentially made out of what you. consume yeah it's the only thing that it. has to regenerate and it doesn't people. don't think of it that way you think of. your body as your body but your body is. constantly reproducing itself cells are. constantly regenerating Y and if you. don't give your body good nutrients and. real food you suffer you suffer and that. is the majority of Americans. unfortunately even my friend is running. a marathon in a few days and I said for. the next couple of days reduce any food. that that will give you inflammation and.

do extreme hydration because the impact. of of that distance will pay its toll in. the long run most certainly especially. if you're not conditioned for it and I. think really good endurance athletes. like you know Kobe Bryant Michael Jordan. LeBron James Tom Brady they all are very. concerned with inflammation oh yeah so. they don't have anything that will give. them information and I think that allows. you to to to continue much longer most. certainly yeah yeah yeah inflammation is.

one of the biggest problems that people. have particularly in this country. because the way we eat I'm sure you've. seen those photographs of people on the. beach in like the 1960s versus people on. the beach in. 20203 no I can imagine we ballooned and. it's because of the American diet it's. it's sugar it's sugar and the process. the bad sugars Y and even just the way. they genetically modified fruit like if. you look at water melon from the. Renaissance days like a Renaissance.

painting of a watermelon as opposed to a. watermelon now there it doesn't even. look like the same thing it yields such. a high dose of sugar to become addictive. so you can and buries everything that. term genetically modified gets thrown. around a lot a lot of it is just. selective breeding like they they just. figure out a way to breeding is not the. right word either uh it's like they they. select for very specific traits I mean. that's why they've made a tomato that. can sit on a a truck and drive across. the country and not rot you know but.

then you get it and it's flavorless and. pale yeah but it's durable wait can can. you pull up a Renaissance painting of a. watermelon I just want you to see I've. never show you side by side Renaissance. painting of a watermelon yeah how they. were originally well you I'm sure you've. seen like heirloom tomatoes have you. seen heirloom tomatoes they look so. that's wa and wait the middle left one. show no yeah that one shows the the see. the difference wow yeah they've done.

that with everything that's wild yeah. it's all I mean it's a reason I think. even fruit you would think fruit was so. healthy but then you get these berries. when you go to Whole Foods and they're. like this big and they're so juicy and. you eat the whole thing but if you're in. the wild getting blackberries they're. small they're bitter so yeah that's. extraordinary so I think even the fruit. and the things we think are healthy we. have to be careful yeah it's definitely. very. different. but I don't necessarily think I think I.

wonder like what is the difference in. terms of the nutrient content whether or. not it's bad for you to eat modern. watermelon I would doubt it is no I. think it's fine but I'm just saying it. yields such a high dose of sugar right. yeah sugar creates inflammation yeah it. certainly does if and and cancer thrives. on mhm so. yeah yeah well I've noticed a giant. difference cutting sugar out of my life. like when when I cut it out and just.

live uh very cleanly eat very cleanly. it's just massive difference in how your. body feels how your back feels joints. feel everything especially things like. the back like where you have pain that. stuff goes away yeah yeah and even how. your brain functions everything yeah. yeah right now my brain is on a lag. because I've been not eating. properly I would think of anybody would. be taking care of themselves it's. someone like you that yeah I need to. brutalizes.

yourself but sometimes I go so extreme. that I need like a a break and I go the. other way I know what you mean yeah you. get tired of it that happens to a lot of. Fighters they get done fighting and they. just get fat because they're just like I. don't want to train anymore I want to do. anything yeah because they're so extreme. and so focused and all of a sudden it's. a yeah I think little vacations from. discipline are fine but when I take a. little vacation from discipline I feel. like [ __ ] and then I'm like what are you. doing and then I'm upset by myself and. then I go back back the way I used to. eat and I'm fine and then you feel great.

yeah but that's you know it's what. humans are supposed to eat we we're. supposed to eat real food and a giant. percentage of our diet is processed. [ __ ] and that stuff is just it. tastes good and it tricks your body. because there's all sorts of salt and. sugar in it and you know those high. calorie high carbohydrate foods are so. easy to over consume yeah you know we. had uh Elon and I had pizza the other. night and I just couldn't stop eating it. Jamie had take it away from me if you. didn't take it away from me I would ate.

that whole box yeah once you start you. can't stop can't stop I I'm a GL and. then the funny thing is then you're. still hungry an hour later MH yeah. whereas when you eat foods with high. nutrition like broccoli or you're full. well especially protein if you eat Foods. protein has a very high satiety rate so. like if you eat steak you can only eat. so much steak or you could keep going if. you wanted to if you're in a contest or. some [ __ ] like you ever see those places. like restaurants where they'll they give. you a fre meal if you could eat a 72 oun. steak and so people try to eat them you.

have to eat it like within 30 minutes or. something crazy like that um but when. you eat steak like at a certain level. you'll you're done your body's like. that's enough but if there's steak and. then bread the bread's right there with. butter and it smells good it's fresh oo. give me some more of that bread or. there's a bowl of pasta like oo and then. there's some ice cream ooh you'll keep. going and that's that's where Modern. foods have kind of hijacked the the. human. brain hijacks your reward system it.

makes you crave these things that are. ultimately detrimental to your health. but when you're eating really healthy. what's your diet mostly meat I eat. mostly meat and eggs do you eat raw eggs. no no I cook them I feel so good when I. have raw eggs they're good but you do. have to be concerned with salmon illa. you particularly have I it's like. 135,000 and it's on the shell I think. it's a low risk it's a low risk yeah but. it does happen there's a certain. percentage of people every year a.

certain number of people every year that. get salmon illa from eggs but the eggs. in Paris by the way they're they taste. so good it's kind of amazing well. they're probably freeer range chickens. yeah and they're the difference and. they're like orange yeah well that's a. free range chicken that's chicken that. need eating bugs and worms and small. rodents and things like that which is. what they're I mean they're [ __ ]. dinosaurs I have chickens and the. chickens that you have if you have like. chickens in your your yard yard if you. have a good amount of place for them to.

roam and free range they you get a dark. orange yolk and it's delicious yeah. amazing and it's it's also if you're a. person who's very concerned about uh. factory farming and ethics that are. involved in that kind of stuff and you. don't want to eat eggs because the. chickens are. mistreated chickens that you have. yourself are basically pets that give. you free Karma free food because you. know they're not even scared of you they. wander around you and Peck at the ground. right near your feet and they eat ticks.

too right and they will produce food for. you cuz they're not going to make. chickens unless there's a rooster. they're their their eggs are never going. to fertilize so you're getting these. beautiful healthy eggs yeah it's amazing. no one loses no yeah it's a perfect tast. so and there so good for you and there's. so many things you can get from eggs. that you're just not going to get from a. plant-based diet unless you're. supplementing you're just not going to. get them do you take vitamins yeah yeah. I take those lipo the the liquid ones.

cuz you absorb a lipos yeah those ones. but I was going to bring them and share. them with you but I forgot yeah I take. those I also take uh you know what uh. ag1 is athletic greens no it's great. it's just very simple you take a scoop. of it put it in some water Stir It Up. and it's. probiotics it's like 75 different. vitamins and nutrients very good it. tastes good easy so simple just Stir It. Up it's called ag1 ag1 yeah it's very. easy because it's like it's a no-brainer.

you the they sell little travel packs. just open up a bottle of water pour it. in the bottle of water Shake It Up drink. it and it's all natural all natural yeah. it's all plant-based stuff yeah that. I'll look into it's great there and then. you know you really should supplement. with vitamin D um you know vitamin D and. K2 they work well together but all that. stuff is one of the things that people. are very deficient in yeah vitamin D in. particular it's a big one particularly. in cold climates or people don't go. outside very much you don't get exposure. to Sun the best way to get vitamin D is.

from the Sun natur yeah that's the best. way but most people do not get. enough yeah that makes sense yeah we're. indor all day working yeah but when you. think about like what did human beings. eat to thrive well the their most. treasured and their prized food was meat. if they could kill a deer if they could. kill you know something that was. nutrient dense that had fat on it a pig. like that's that's what they they. treasured the most because that's what.

they would give them the most nutrients. you would also assume they would have. like coconuts bananas sure fruits fruits. good easy especially I mean again fruits. that weren't [ __ ] with but that's one. of the things that we've done with wheat. you know if you get wheat and everybody. talks about this if you get wheat in. Europe you're getting this heirloom. wheat you're getting wheat that is. really what it was originally when they. took wheat and changed it in America. what they've done is a high dose ex they. destroyed it much more complex gluten in.

it and it just gives you more. inflammation it's harder to digest yep. and you and you don't gain weight from. those nonmodified seeds of 500 years ago. I know you go to Europe and you eat. their food you look at them they're not. fat it's crazy look at France the people. eating bread in France they eat bread. every day they're not fat n in America. we're all balloons yeah yeah it's just. in making things better to sell because. the high yield and you know you can you.

can make more profit we've poisoned. ourselves yeah essentially you know yeah. it's. [ __ ] but at least we know it so if you. do seek out the information there's. plenty of doctors that could explain. these things to you and just seek out. organic foods and and just Eat Real. Foods eat real foods and that you you'll. be far better off you even sleep better. I don't I don't snore I don't need as. much sleep it's it's it's so crazy what.

a difference it makes mhm it does makes. a giant difference and it's so hard to. get people to deviate because once you. get accustomed to eating certain kinds. of food and you start craving those. kinds of. food yeah it just triggers your. difficult to get off that. path. yeah so we'll we'll get your shoulder. sorted out. I'd like to see what your MRI said. though too I'm sure they they want the.

doctors want to see that too yeah I have. all the MRI so I was doing MRIs before. every jump and after every jump just to. make sure the blood vessels around the. heart you know things weren't shifting. because if we notice something small. then we would stop because that way the. blood something connected to the heart. wouldn't yeah become problematic so yeah. I feel like I got lucky on that you. probably definitely did cuz if it hit. your neck and had the the same sort of. impact with what it did to your shoulder. imagine something that can blow out your.

shoulder like that what it could do to. your spinal cord yep you know yeah very. dangerous yeah do you ever think you're. gonna stop doing this kind of crazy. [ __ ] I think so really yeah I think I'll. eventually just move towards magic only. well you're really good at Magic too. that's so confusing to me your card. tricks are [ __ ] bizarre like when you. uh you did a bunch of card tricks for us. off air you did them for my kids you did.

them for the security guys at the old. studio in LA and I mean Jamie is like. really good at watching that kind of. stuff I mean I've been watching him. since I was younger but Jamie love. watching this [ __ ] Jamie was [ __ ]. staring at you like a I want to figure. it out I mean I know it's magic but like. there's also that was trict he knows how. to do it he didn't always know how to do. it but after it was done Jamie was like. [ __ ] I have no [ __ ] idea I tried I. thought I knew it was going to happen. and I didn't or you're with you're. obviously that good he couldn't wait. though he was like I'm gonna [ __ ]. watch everything I'm GNA I'm G to figure.

it out he couldn't figure out jack [ __ ]. it's um yeah that alone but I mean. you're kind of the only magician who. also does things that aren't necessarily. magic but they are extraordinary Feats. of control of your body and just. dangerous. stunts I think part of the excitement. for me is just learning something that's. unique that that's not really done in. the magic world but then just the actual.

training and learning a new skill so. it's like a continual search to try to. figure out new things and that's kind of. what keeps me excited in a lot of ways. and I think it's like something. different because uh I think Mo most. people that are magicians they you know. a card trick everybody can learn but. when you when you go and try to figure. out one of those things that. are insane to learn or or or you're. inspired by something else and it leads.

to the trick itself that that's exciting. for me so when I went to Africa to learn. how to swallow a gallon of water and. then spout it out I didn't know it would. lead to being able to hold frogs in my. stomach then produce them at any time. but it ended up leading to that so it. became a magic trick but it started as. like some insane skill that I saw. somebody do and I was obsessed with when. you swallow a gallon of water are you. stretching your stomach out is that. what's happening it's awful but is it. like do you gain greater capacity. because of that no it's no every night.

in my show I have to put a gown of order. inside and it's horrible what does it. feel like oh awful like pregnancy maybe. I don't know I can't answer maybe I'm. not sure something so you feel your. organs stretching do you feel like. everything getting pushed aside to make. room for the water I mean a gallon water. is there's a lot it's a lot yeah what. does it weigh uh I think like. 8.43 lb or something like that yeah so. just imagine 8 pounds.

of4 just eight pounds of food in your. body is insane yeah no it's a lot and. it's all solid it's water so it's just. like a big Sol just a mass in there and. then I have to go do the show oh God so. you have in your body while you're doing. that so you have to ignore this awful. feeling while you're doing your show and. act normal whoa and then spit it all. out how do you make sure you're not. peeing it all out like how do you I know. the time on that so I practiced the.

window of time of what's the window of. time between swall it starts obviously. it starts to move in like 15 minutes but. I'm able to kind of control it for the. length of the show pretty much are you. Contracting your body are you doing. something physically well then I spout. it out to put out the fire so it's a. break and then I reload it so. secretly so when you you spout it out to. put out the fire people are like what. the [ __ ] like where did you get all this.

water well they see me drinking it also. some yeah but still it's pretty insane. it's insane it's a show that you know my. show is a show that you can only do like. once or twice a month you can't do it. right if I did a cart trig show I could. do it every night right it' be like very. good for business yeah but I like this. show because it's an impossible show. it's like one that I have to like get. into the mindset and be like oh [ __ ]. here comes another night so when you put.

together a show like this like when. you're sitting down the planning stages. and you're like okay got a big show. coming up in Vegas what am I going to do. how much time is involved in the. creation of something like this years. years yeah wow yeah years and years wow. I mean it took me 20 years to even do my. show 20 years almost that's insane. yeah cuz I wanted something that was. different and uh you. know something that I felt like would.

represent what I love and what interests. me so I worked on all these crazy things. and it took so long to figure them out. and then how to apply magic to them like. how to make the the trick part and then. the trick part always makes the other. thing seem like that's a trick so when. I'm holding my breath everybody thinks. like I have tubes or something right. right right right what did you do when. you held your breath like how long did. you hold it for it was something insane. like I want to say like actual 13.

minutes or something like that I did. 1704 on on o but my actual record with. doctors and Pulmonary experts on that. was 20 minutes and 2 seconds breathing. pure2 and my heart rate dropped 8 beats. per minute so they pulled me up because. they thought I was going to go into. cardiac arrest and I actually that one. felt pretty good but now I think the. record is like. 2403 yeah and what you you're you're. breathing pure oxygen before you do it. yeah without the P2 I was up to like 747.

which is still insane I know free diet. RIS can do stuff like that yeah yeah but. they're also the ones that are really. good are really thin really tall they. have a a total lung capacity it's much. greater than mine mine is less than. average so your lung capacity is less. than average yeah 80% of the average. person my height and size why is that I. don't know that doesn't even make sense. if you can hold your breath out TLC is. 80% of the HM that's crazy but I think.

that's where it a lot of it has to do. with accepting the pain like mind over. matter so generally like taller longer. people have longer lungs bigger chest. cavity that makes sense yeah yeah there. was a dude who was an MMA fighter named. Egan inway and I know he did something. insane he was a free diver he lived in. Hawai and I think I think he was up to. like seven plus minutes and that's also. physical right cuz you're you're you're. holding your breath and then you're. diving into the water and moving your.

body so that consumes much harder oxygen. it's not just sitting there yeah when I. was doing it I was I just and even your. brain functioning you want to shut. everything down because your brain uses. a lot of oxygen as well so the more that. you can just shut everything down the. more efficient you are and when you're. doing that like how are you getting your. heart rate to 8 beats a minute I didn't. intentionally do that it just happened I. think the body does does whatever it. needs to do to make sure you survive. right so your body is recognizing like.

this [ __ ] isn't breathing yeah. let's just slow it down and like it's. kind of like creeping towards the gas. station when you're on E yeah you know. like you're going like 5 miles an hour. because you know you're not going to. make it. otherwise. wow what do you think is the most. difficult of all these things you've. ever done. um. maybe the.

ice hard just on the. mind yeah that one was the worst one I. would never do that again how long did. it take your brain to recover from that. the brain recovers pretty fast I think. after one night's sleep I was okay. really the brain yeah so no more. hallucinations yeah but also I was I was. yeah it was it was bad I would worry. about something like that that I would. open up a door that I could never. close yeah that would be that would be.

like in a in a horror movie that would. happen that's why I don't mess with. sleep deprivation I tried to mess with. that yeah it's scary yeah I think it's a. very effective form of torture I think. in North Korea they did that to the. Americans extreme sleep deprivation I. think that tweaked them the the worst oh. I'm sure we do it too yeah guano Bay you. see deprivation is horrific yeah isn't. it crazy it's horrible cuz that's when. you wouldn't even think of his torture. when you think of people think of his. torture they think of pain you know they.

don't think of just like making someone. stay awake well but that's isn't that. Chinese water torture that you just drip. water in your face I don't think that. one's so bad really I don't think so. hurt it's pretty bad I don't know I. think there's something about it that. just keeps you awake and it's just nuts. because you're just the drip and like it. being irregular intervals micro sleep. I don't know I don't think so maybe you.

should try that one do you want to see. this trick I would love to see this. trick what do you got well it's a simple. one but it's a new one so I just use. some thread but I might need your help. okay. um do you want to come closer I'll come. over there yeah should I I can move. should I move over or you can come here. I'll come over there should I slide to. the left or. something. so first I'll show you the trick version.

wait can I take this off. yeah so first I'll show you the trick. version of it okay which is just like. this for the people just listening at. home uh he folded over a little Loop in. a piece of thread yeah and he's putting. it in his mouth and swallowing. it. he's chewing on the thread now he's.

drinking. water yeah I think it's here. wait hold on so this is a trick. version you see you get. um see you can pull here I don't know if. you can see can you do you want to just. pull it pull the thread so you have a. thread that you stuck in your body see. uhhuh so that's the trick version. that's a thread that he just had. embedded in his skin but hold on here's.

the different. version actually wa. doad instead I'll do it this. way so you can see what's actually. happening. wait.

will you grab here the one under your. chin okay so now he's got a thread. coming out from under his chin I pulled. up a little. okay pull it. down it's uh through his mouth and. through the bottom of his mouth and out. his chin I'm pull want me pull it out. yeah. okay so that's something that I learned.

in India so you just essentially use a. needle and shove it through the bottom. of your jaw and and people think it's. coming out of your mouth yeah it's. pretty good though it is pretty. good I'm going to go to the other side. Christ so it's a there's a there's a. book called Swami Mantra and how you. getting it into your chest well there's. first I'll tell you there's a book. called Swami Mantra which is a.

collection of pamphlets of Secrets of. what the fakir were doing in India so. there was a trick that I saw a magician. do when I was a kid and he ate a thread. and he pulled it out of a stomach and I. was with a bunch of amazing magicians. and we were all blown away and in shock. but I cornered the guy and convinced him. to teach me the secret so then I I. started playing with it and and then. just now when I was in in India Meeting. Street magicians and finding all these.

performers I went to a festival and they. do all these extreme things I have never. seen before like they pushed the The Ice. Pick skewer type thing through their. neck through their and so I suddenly had. an idea and I was like wait maybe. there's a way and. then yeah and then it becomes a magic. trick but you're seeing the early phase. of of it okay okay. yeah sometimes I get nervous at like uh.

you know obviously anything could go. wrong you could you know yeah start. squirting. blood like it happened last time yeah. well I promised you there was going to. be no blood thank you yeah when last. time we poked the ice pick through your. arm we had a nerve right we had to back. it out and do it again it was yeah it. bubbled up yeah not good yeah I was not. that's not what I wanted to happen I was.

traumatized afterwards I was like oh I'm. [ __ ] you just Pi so is that just a a. luck thing like you miss or you just. don't know exactly where to push it. through no what happened was normally I. I think I go in from this side and out. but because you were sitting here and I. wanted you to push it I think we went in. the opposite direction oh and I think it. that's what went wrong oh so you know. where to do it normal no there's a lot. of space to do it so there's like you. know but from the other side I don't.

really know and I oh for some reason I. thought it would be okay. but. Jesus well how long did that one take to. heal up from I mean that was fine cuz it. was just the arm it wasn't like it. wasn't nerve or yeah it seemed like you. were hitting nerve though well we. stopped and we started again didn't we. did we start and stop yeah yeah we. stopped and we we found a new hole and. he tried again yeah but it was bleeding.

internally ballooning up and we had to. stop the show and you had to get luckily. we had an. EMT. here yeah but he he said it was fine. yeah and it was but he was a little bit. like what the. [Laughter]. [ __ ] yeah after I was like my career is. over I just did the most disgusting. things nothing worked it was horrible. there it is yeah so exactly exactly. you're going through the that's right.

that's what went wrong yep yikes yep and. I always go in the other direction what. is the difference though if it's the. same spot I don't know maybe obviously I. think isn't it's probably you know how. to do it yourself well no but I let the. audience do it when they come on stage I. let them pick a spot yeah I mean I make. sure it's above the break you know make. sure it's not in a dangerous place but. yeah yeah how many times you stuck a ice. piig through your arm oh my so many and.

way. more thousands thousands yes and through. both hands I had to stop with my hand. because I was getting uh the scar tissue. and it was becoming really hard to push. the ice but I did I did CT scans I. looked at the hand I studied where all. the blood vessels are so I I I thought. about it for a long time before I. started doing it and then I did it with. like acupuncture needle but this is. something nobody should do I no magician. nobody because it's just really there's.

there's it's just not good when things. go wrong yeah would imagine. yeah I would imagine that's a real. problem how do you like decide like what. you're going to do when with these kind. of things like what makes you come to. like I think I'm going to stick an ice. pick through my hand I think that. started early on there was a magician. named Harry Anderson that used to do. needle through arm and it was like a. fake arm thing like stuck it together.

and it looks like it's going through I. was like that and I think I was like. that could probably really be done so I. think it began with that and then I. heard about a kid that can take a. bicycle spoke and put it through and. then I started thinking well if you. could do that as a trick but have no. blood then it's kind of amazing and what. I didn't realize was basically your. blood it coagulates when you so based on. time so if you push this through again I.

don't want to give anybody lessons on. how this stuff is not good to do at all. but with time I think when you pull it. out you just don't bleed unless you go. through the wrong side and hit something. but yeah but I like those things that it. just seem. impossible but there's an. actual science to it who is the guy who. who would take thin swords and shove. them through his lungs yeah Mir and Dio.

I I have not done that and I don't I'm. never going to do that when I he died. doing that didn't he no so what happened. uh well normally he would have a Rapier. pushed through by a doctor and um he he. start and he would go he would jog with. these rapers through his body through. his lungs right through the middle and I. think what happened was he became very. overconfident and thought he could do. anything and he swallowed a needle like. an ice size needle he swallowed it and. thought he was going to like push it. through and when he went to sleep it was.

still inside of him and it ruptured his. heart and then he bled out oh God. yeah yeah I think he started to get so. cocky with what his body could do yeah. so this is the guy yeah yeah now how. does one do that I mean if he's got a. they said he had tuberculosis and so the. the way his body recovered it I it. doesn't nobody really knows but I know. scientist and doctors they all thought. it wasn't real they thought it was a. trick so it took forever for them to.

even think it was go sideways oh that's. right I forgot this one so he's going. through his [ __ ] intestines he was he. was the human the human pin cushion and. that's a doctor boy that doctor what. about Do no harm. fella that is so insane so he's got I. mean it's over so did he go through his. arms as well is that why his bandages I. don't know but it's insane that he could. control it because you know obviously. when people get stabbed you he do an.

x-ray is that what he's doing and look. at the holes and all through. them oh god dude yeah it's crazy that. guy's got so many holes in him yeah it's. crazy the doctors have to examine yes. it's a regular sword that's a thick. Rapier by the way yeah and then they. eat and like the water comes out oh God. yeah don't do that one mm. never yeah there's I mean there's real. danger in a lot of the [ __ ] you.

do well I but I I don't just go randomly. do things I start carefully methodically. slow I have not magicians surrounding me. I have doctors and and I have you know. people that are the best in the world. that do these things and I I there's a. slow learning curve you just never see. it so but that one to me I was like no. it's not worth the risk has anybody else. done that other than that guy I don't. think so not.

intentionally stick to cards Bro cards. are amazing why [ __ ] around with other. things cards are amazing they're amazing. they are amazing they are amazing. yeah slide of hand yeah yeah skills yeah. yeah what's the the the dexterity the. fine mo mobile skills motor skills of. your fingers that's it's so impressive. but it makes sense like my left hand. hand is so dumb in comparison to my. right hand like if I try to write things. with my right hand or try to tie my.

shoes left-handed like actually you tie. your shoes with both fingers but doing. things one hand is better yeah yeah. doing things is difficult like with your. left hand it just your brain somehow or. another doesn't have a really good. relationship with your left hand yeah. but as a magician you change that. because you have to work with both hands. equally so you you definitely rewire the. way your fingers move and the way your. pinky moves and you learn to do. movements that are not natural well I.

learned that from boxing cuz when I. first started boxing I'm right-handed. and my right hand was so much better. than my left hand but then after boxing. for a few years my left hand was much. better because he used the jab much more. than you use the right hand and my left. bicep became larger than my right bicep. like pretty significantly wow yeah and. Roy Jones Jr is the best example of that. Roy Jones Jr when he flexes like he's in. the studio feel flexed his left bicep is. like twice the size of his right bicep.

because they used to call him Captain. Hook cuz he had he was so fast and so. extraordinarily talented that he would. throw a left hook the way most people. would throw a jab just like leap in with. this insane fast left hook and his left. bicep was enormous look at the size. difference wow a that crazy yeah that's. a huge difference huge difference and. that left hand was a Lethal Weapon. amazing but when when you do box and you. throw Jabs and left hooks with your left.

hand and then you switch and try to do. with your right hand your right hand. seems uncoordinated it's really just. your brain has this relationship with. those particular movements yeah look at. his bicep his left arm wow that's. unbelievable I mean in his prime he was. a just a freak it's funny cuz nobody. would think of the jab as being you know. as as. you do you would build your jab much. more than a yeah because you use it much.

more when you're boxing you're. constantly throwing Jabs and then you. you occasionally throw right hands it's. probably like a 4 to one ratio at least. yeah and then left hooks yeah I used to. always Print T-Shirts when I was a kid. of Mike Tyson and wear them every day oh. yeah yeah he's he's he looks like to me. the scariest guy to ever get up against. he's so scary that when uh he was in my. studio we had a a a desk um so Mike.

Tyson the first time he came to the. studio Mike was not fighting he was. completely retired he and he said he. wouldn't train because he didn't want to. reignite his ego and then the second. time he was in the studio he had decided. to take a fight with Roy Jones Jr and so. uh he was in his 50s and started. training again and got in [ __ ]. insanely dedicated. and the way I think the way he described. he said the gods of War reignited his.

ego and brought him back to do combat. again and he was so terrifying that when. he was sitting across from me he was so. different between the first podcast and. the second podcast I decided to make the. table wider I was going to make a more. narrow table so I was closer to the. people but I was like his energy when I. was this close to him was so it was so. like. confusing man he is unbelievable yeah. that that's number two that's when he.

was back yeah he's my favorite that ever. live oh my God in his prime in the late. ' 80s he was a [ __ ] Force walk out. with the black shorts and just the way. he would look oh man right through. people yeah he's the scariest. heavyweight of all time he was amazing. yeah did you see the Francis inano Tyson. Fury. fight Francis inano who is the UFC. heavyweight champion he uh vacated the. throne and had a boxing match with Tyson. Fury who is the lineal heavyweight.

champion dropped him in the third round. and won on one judge's score card and. lost on the other two so he lost a. majority decision in his first ever. boxing match against arguably the best. heavyweight boxer wow absolutely alive. but maybe of all time you know was. pretty pretty and I thought he won the. decision a lot of people thought he won. the decision it's very close fight I. mean you can maybe say that Tyson Fury I. mean you could kind of see an argument.

that he maybe could have won un I don't. think so though when it comes to damage. I looked at it I've watched it three. times and in my mind he won the fight. and I I think that's one of the most. extraordinary accomplishments in Combat. Sports history a guy who's had zero. boxing matches who is an MMA champion. goes and fights a guy who is one of the. greatest boxers that's ever lived I mean. Tyson Fury is phenomenal now whether. Tyson Fury took him seriously whether he.

he was overconfident who knows I mean he. literally said to him time to go to. school I'm taking you to school at the. beginning of the fight and then when. tyon Fury said that yeah and then when. Francis dropped him in the third round. after the fight Francis is like you are. a shitty professor and Francis is a real. freak I me Francis is 6'5 a natural 272. PBS and built like a Greek god can I see. a yeah Jamie see if you get the photo of. Francis standing over Tyson Fury after.

he dropped him CU I mean he really. rocked him and by the way they gave him. I'll send you this Jamie they uh checked. the the amount of time that it took for. him to get up 23 seconds so that's after. he dropped him look how big Francis is I. mean he's just an extraordinary. specimen and you know didn't even start. Combat Sports he was 25 years old. where's he from Cameroon. I mean we I had on the podcast his story. is so insane it is like something from a.

movie he was working in the sand mines. when he was 10 years old and developed. this Incredible strength [ __ ] digging. sand wow and when he was a man decided. that he had to leave his village and he. wanted to be a professional boxer and. wanted to uh go to Europe so he walked. and made his way to Morocco like hitched. rides did all these different things. made his way to Morocco and then seven. times traveled on rafts to Europe and.

got arrested and sent back and when they. would send him back they would drop him. off in the Sahara Desert that's how they. would would they would do to people that. were trying to make their way to Europe. and seven times he made his way from the. Sahara Desert back to Morocco back to. the raft and one day finally made his. way all the way across was arrested was. in jail in in Spain for I think three or. four months and then was homeless in. France for a year found a gym started.

training and they told him to uh train. in MMA and so he starts train because he. wanted to be a boxer but they were like. you really should be an MMA champion MMA. is a more popular sport now so he starts. training in MMA um four years later he's. the UFC heavyweight. champion I mean that's craane and the. guy he knocks out but it's obviously. it's not just his natural strength it's. also his willpower and this it's it's. it's everything it's intelligence so. there's where he drops them so now when. he drops them so look at the count 1 2 3.

4 five he's up six 7even 8 so he made it. up to the count of 10 and he's obviously. clearly rocked takes a big deep breath. but look it's 12 seconds 13 14 the guy's. still counting seven eight this is a. [ __ ] count and the the the referee. is still giving him an eight count and. it's 22 seconds before they re-engage. and he what the way he hits it's just. this clubbing left hook it's not even. like full power from Francis I mean you.

didn't really totally turn like Francis. is dancing in front of him it comes out. of nowhere though yeah and then battered. him again in the eighth round and. somehow or another they gave him they. gave uh Tyson Fury the eighth round on. at least one judges scorecard which is. [ __ ] insane it might have been two. judges but boxing is a dirty business. it's a dirty sport I mean there's always. one judge that's in the bag it seems. right at the very least they're not. absolutely paid off at the very least. they are deeply indebted to the.

promoters and there is some sort of an. agenda to have this person who's either. the most marketable or the one who the. most is writing on I mean I don't think. he's going to have a rematch he didn't. talk about a rematch didn't say he. wanted a rematch and Francis wants a. rematch for sure Francis thinks he won. the fight it's I mean there's uh i' it's. interesting after you know. uh the the fight when people immediately. afterwards most people were saying that. Francis won after watching it carefully.

some people have said they see there. there could be an argument that Tyson. Fury may have outpointed him in my mind. Francis landed by far the harder Shots. by far did more damage and even though. there's this thing that happens when you. see an underdog outperformed the. expectations which certainly happened I. think he was a 14 to1 Underdog by the. end of the fight the online betting odds. had France's favor to win which is crazy. and then many people including myself.

felt like he did enough to win the. decision I felt he won by at least one. round and um who's that promoter uh God. I forget his name the one the guy who. promotes Anthony Joshua Eddie Hearn he. he gave Francis two rounds he he said. Francis beat him by two. rounds it's uh just an extraordinary. accomplishment even losing a majority. decision to Tyson Fury is insane because. the only time this ever happened before. with where an MMA champion fought a. boxer was when Conor McGregor fought.

Floyd Mayweather but Conor McGregor. fought Floyd Mayweather when Floyd. Mayweather was at the tail end of his. career it was the last bout that Floyd. had and Floyd just kind of like wore him. out outboxed him and stopped him in the. fight whereas Francis [ __ ] dropped. him in the third round and battered him. in the eighth round and it was just an. insane performance I. mean literally like a legendary Combat. Sports Performance it'll go down in.

history when they talk about boxing and. things that people have accomplished. it's one of the greatest accomplishments. ever pretty amazing you trained both. boxing and done everything yeah but. which do you prefer M for sure yeah. there's more options it's more. complicated I mean I think the boxing is. an amazing skill it's an amazing thing. to learn it's it's very helpful in terms. of self defense it's a it's an excellent. It's a must know it's a thing that you. must know if you want to compete in.

Combat Sports you must know how to box. but a really comprehensive skill set. that a a true MMA champion will have. it's far better and if a boxer like an. elite boxer fought an MMA fighter they. would have almost no chance like if. Tyson Fury fought Francis andano in an. MMA fight and beat Francis in an MMA. fight that would be more extraordinary. than Francis beating or rather than. Tyson Fury uh if Tyson Fury beat Francis.

in an MMA fight they would be more. extraordinary than Francis beating Tyson. Fury in a boxing match because at least. a big part of francis's skill set is his. punching power in his hands whereas. Tyson Fury has almost no experience in. grappling kicking any of those skills if. he beat Francis in an MMA fight that. would be like the most incredible thing. that none's ever done ever but no boxer. other than the only boxer that's ever. even like at an elite level competed in.

MMA was James Tony fought Randy cure and. he got it was at the end of James Tony's. career he would he' already accomplished. incredible Feats as a pure boxer and. kind of just took it for a paycheck and. he got taken down and just strangled. pretty quickly Randy Couture just ankle. picked him brought him to the ground got. on top of him head and arm choked him it. was it was a once got to the ground it. was like a foregone conclusion Randy was. going to destroy him no boxers ever said.

in the middle of their like as if Manny. Pacquiao in the middle of his prime said. I'm going to fight MMA that would be. insane and he' probably get his face. kicked off I mean probably get strangled. probably get taken down strangled and he. would be helpless it's a different skill. set there's so much more to MMA to me. it's more exciting to watch it's. certainly more complicated it's uh it. requires more of you you have to train. in multiple disciplines you're not just. training in using your hands you're. training in kicking elbows punches knees.

takeown submissions submission defense. the the rounds are longer they're five. minute rounds as opposed to three minute. rounds it's like five minutes is a long. time it's a long time it's a long time. and in the old days in the pride day. well in the old days of the UFC there. was no time limit and then in the pride. days which was one of the glory years of. MMA in Japan they would have a 10-minute. first round and you know that was very. very hard that really Dan Henderson who. was in here before who's one of the. all-time greats said that was what.

separated the men from the boys that. 10-minute round because you know 10. minutes of straight fighting is crazy. against a train killer is crazy of the. whole world and they would do this at. like the saitama super Arena which just. like 990,000 people the Tokyo Dome these. enormous venues yeah it's just the. endurance training that goes into that. it's like nothing else nothing else I. like not that boxing is not insanely. difficult on your endurance as well. especially at a very elite level it's I.

mean next to wrestling which is probably. one of the most difficult things it's. about as hard a combat sport it exists. but MMA is the top that's the Top If the. the MMA champion is widely regarded by. almost anyone who's an expert as being. the baddest man on the planet that's the. the whatever weight class it is the MMA. champion for the most part is going to. Domin someone who is just a boxer right. for the most part you know but you know.

you've got some guys like Mike Tyson if. someone taught Mike Tyson kicking. defense and how to take people down good. [ __ ] luck good [ __ ] luck when that. guy's coming at you throwing punches. it's just a different thing yeah he was. the most it was the most exciting thing. ever when he had a fight coming up fast. he was so fast he was so fast for a. heavyweight he was so even for then. France I mean France has hit so hard but. he's it's different Mike was so fast the. combinations just come like lightning. and he would be shifting side to side be.

standing in front of you throw a hook. and all a sudden he off to the right and. he would right hook you to the body and. hit you with an uppercut and they would. shift to the left oh my God he was a. [ __ ] he was a beaut down oh man yeah. I cried when the Buster Douglas they no. no I'm serious I did did you really yes. of course was the the icon of our he. reignited people's interest in. heavyweight boxing because at the time.

Larry Holmes had retired and there was. no real compelling heavyweight on the. scene and then Tyson came along you know. but I remember Buster Douglas's mom had. just died and I paid attention and I. also remember reading he was out like. eating burgers and things before I was. like hm that Tyson was yeah like he. would be out like right before the fight. so I think think all those things played. in and and just well I'm sure I mean. there's certainly overconfidence that.

comes with someone who just thinks they. could destroy anyone that in front of. him yeah well he could also his mentor. had died custom model had died years. earlier and it was just very different. you know and I also think that there's a. certain level of performance that a. fighter can only maintain for a certain. amount of time because the amount of. dedication and drive it's so. extraordinary. yeah that you really can only do it for. so many years and then eventually you. fall off and I always say when you talk.

about alltime greats you can talk talk. about alltime great careers and there's. people like Bernard Hopkins who had. insane careers that went into his 50s. but when you look at like the when they. burn the hottest who was the best during. that time there was no one like Tyson. there was no one like Roy Jones Jr there. was there's Mike Tyson was also a. Showman like it was a show it was a show. it was an execution you were essentially. you were even but he would just stare at.

his opponent right stare right through. them oh man yeah he was awesome he was. an an awesome specimen I mean just a a. perfect example of an elite boxer who. had an very unusual skill set I mean to. be a short guy for the heavyweight. division but insanely fast and just. built like a brick [ __ ] house just. coming in winging bombs to me the the. Tyson that is the scariest was the. Marvis Frasier fight when he beat Marvis. Frasier was before he won the title and.

it was uh on ABC Wide World of Sports. and I remember watching that going oh my. God like who can beat that guy he was. just it was just different you know. there was every other heavyweight looked. like they were like they were stuck in. mud they look so slow in comparison to. him and the music when he would walk out. was just like noise it sounded like the. clanging of Steel and it was like did. you ever see the documentary where he. describes his mindset from the locker.

room up into the time he gets into the. ring no it's amazing cuz he talks about. being afraid like in the locker room but. then by the time he gets into the into. the ring he's Unstoppable he says I'm a. God see if you can find that cuz it's. it's so scary it's so extraordinary cuz. he would describe question walking into. the ring you ever get scared to death. really yeah you never look scared well. that's the whole thing boxing is like. acting you always project what you don't. feel on someone else as I got older I.

found out damn more scared of me than I. am a them 100% you know so once I found. that out I almost stopped training I. feel like that was not no that's not the. one there it's a scene from his. documentary where he talks about it and. he just and he said you know he just. talks about like what was going through. his mind in the locker room all the the. fears and all all the worries and all. the different things ring with them yeah. as soon as I come into the ring as soon. as I come into the ring I'm GL no stop.

it that's not true while I'm in the. dressing room 5 minutes before I come. out my gloves are laced up I'm breaking. my gloves down I'm bro I'm pushing the. Leever in the back of my I'm breaking. the middle of the gloves for my knuckle. could Pierce through the Le I I feel my. knuckle piercing against the tight. leather gloves on the Everlast boxing. glove when I come out I have Supreme. confidence but I'm scared to death I'm. totally AF afraid I'm afraid of. everything I'm afraid of losing I'm. afraid of being humiliated but I'm. totally confident closer I get to the. ring the more confidence I get the.

closer more confidence I get the closer. more confidence I get all during my. training I've been afraid of this man I. thought this man might be capable to. beating me I've dreamed of him beating. me but that but I always stayed afraid. of him but was closer I get to the ring. I'm more confident once I'm in the ring. I'm a God no one could beat. me. I walk around the ring but I never I. never take my eyes off my opponent I. keep my eyes on him even if he's ready.

and pump and he can't wait to get his. hands on me as well I keep my eyes on. him I keep my eyes on him I keep my eyes. on him then once I see a [ __ ] in his. arm boom one of his eyes may move and. then I know I have them then when he. comes to the center of the Ring he still. looks at me with his piercing look and. as if he's not afraid but he already. made that mistake when he when he looked. down for that one/ tenth of a second I. know I had him he'll fight hard for the. first two or three rounds but I know I. already broke his Spirit during the. fight I'm supremely confident I'm moving.

my head he's throwing punches I'm making. a myth and I'm countering I'm hitting. him to the body I'm punching them real. hard and I'm punching when I'm punching. them I know he's not able to take my. punches one two three punches I'm. throwing them punches and bunches he. goes down he's out I'm Victorious and. the power greatest fight ever lived the. speed was just insan insane the speed of. those combination he's like a literally. like a a lightweight or a middleweight. but he was 225 lbs of Fury I hate to.

break up this party but I have to pee so. bad so uh let's take a little break. we'll be right back I have had. legitimate Psy psychedelic States from. meditation and from yoga and and the big. one for me is the sensory deprivation. tank I I've I've had them I've had like. fullblown experiences in the sensory. deprivation tank while sober where if I. could give you a pill that would get you. to that place you'd be like oh my God. I'm on a drug and I've come out of that. those psychedelic states which I I call.

psyched there you know I could tell. someone I had a psychedelic experience. and I didn't take a drug I had a. psychedelic experience in the sensory. deprivation tank meditating and going. through these deep breathing. exercises it's not a psychedelic. experience like mushrooms or like. dimethyl tryptamine or connect to. something that's more beautiful and. spiritual and and a heightened sense of. awareness very heightened sense of. awareness but Alo also a completely.

altered state of consciousness that I. don't think you would ever imagine is. being is is available to you just. naturally but what I've had in these. psychedelic experiences naturally is. nothing in compared to what these. Kundalini Masters have Kundalini Masters. and I have a friend who has done this. who trained Kundalini Yoga for many many. years and learned how to get to a. fullblown like hallucinatory psychedelic. experience where there's geometric. patterns and you're connected to.

entities and the way he described it. he's done psychedelics and he's done. Kundalini he said it's much better it's. no no no no he said they're IND. discernible they're the same experience. exact same experience like you can get. there you can get there naturally which. makes sense because the human mind the. brain produces psychedelic chemicals. they're endogenously produced. particularly dthy domain it is a. naturally produced psychedelic substance. that your brain and your whole body. creates your brain makes it so whatever.

you're doing when you're getting. hypnotized there is something going on. and I mean I think you could measure it. in the brain as far as like fmri or EEG. or some sort of methodology where they. would use equipment to measure your. brain waves they would find a difference. in fre. but I think more importantly than that I. believe there's an endogenous release of. certain chemicals whether it's like here.

here's another example we just did uh. I've got a bunch of comics that are out. of shape and one of the things that I. told them I said listen come in with me. I'll take you to the gym I'm not going. to make you do anything that's going to. brutalize you I'm going to slowly get. you guys in shape and we've been doing. it for the F past few weeks now but one. of the things we do afterwards is the. cold Plunge. and so that's the best it's amazing the. cold plunge is amazing so my friend. Shane Gillis who did it we did it.

yesterday he got out of it he's like. dude I feel like I'm on Molly I go right. but you know why because your brain. ramps up dopamine outside when you get. out of the cold punch you do 3 minutes. your dopamine gets increased by 200% and. it lasts for hours hours and hours so. you feel like you are on a drug and it. is a drug that your body is producing so. you are in in a psychedelic state after. you get out of the cold plunge and. especially if you. feel gratitude and you go into it with.

the right mindset and you leave it you. feel so beautiful you feel so in tune. with things yeah do you do the sauna. also like sauna to C playay yeah I do. back and forth that's my favorite yeah I. used to do that at Rick rubin's house. cuz his sauna would get really really. hot yeah rck we talk about it all the. time we both do we do the cold punch so. it's amazing it's amazing and it does. give you a very bizarre altered state of. consciousness that is the exact same.

thing as a psychedelic experience you I. feel like it also makes you tougher to. the environment you know I think it's. like there's a lot of things that it. does it also sets your mindset so like. when somebody's going to go into the. ocean like oh it's too cold you know. that you can just go in yes I think I. used to do that as a kid subconsciously. I would wear a t-shirt all winter and I. would like you know when we moved to. Jersey we'd walk a mile and a half or. whatever it was in the freezing cold. winter night and there was a kid my.

friend Matt that used to always wear a. t-shirt in the winter and I thought that. was so cool everybody else didn't really. pay attention but I would just start. wearing t-shirts all winter and it and I. start I think that's in a weird way the. beginning of like me understanding that. you could fight the cold with your mind. and then when you went into the movie. theater you were perfect and you felt. great yeah yeah when you're no longer. cold your body's like and I would never. get sick by the way I'd never get sick. right right right because it it really.

enhan and everybody that was all bundled. up all the time they're they were always. getting sick but I was I I don't. understand making your body stronger I. think so 100% 100% the cold plunge. absolutely does that but I also love. extreme heat too I do too I think. there's a lot ofam by the way is to have. a cold punch and a saw why don't you. have that I don't know you need to get. that I have that I have here I have it. at home I I I I live off that I think. it's extraordinary and there's also a. lot of like real research that backs.

that up there's a study out of Finland. that was done that showed um four times. a week for 20 minutes they studied these. people over 20 years and the people that. did it four times per week had a 40%. decrease in all cause mortality heart. attack stroke cancer everything because. of heat shock protein for sure so body's. developing these heat shock proteins. from the sauna and it's reducing. inflammation and it also increases your. cardiovascular output and that's one of.

the things that wrestlers like Dan Gable. who was like one of the most. extraordinary wrestlers of all time he. learned that from the Soviets because. the Soviets and a lot of these Eastern. block countries they were using the. sauna as a part of their training so he. started incorporating into his training. and using his for his wrestlers and then. it also sweats out the toxins it does. all this amazing stuff to you as well. like just yeah more importantly it's the. heat chock prot that all toxin talk is. like a little gets a little [ __ ]. hippie dippy. crystals I went to Finland I went to the.

arctic circle with my daughter uh on New. Years a few years ago and we stayed in. this Ice Hotel oh I've heard of that. yeah and it was freezing and the only. thing you have obviously it was Freez. but the only thing you have is a like a. little sleeping bag to sleep in and so. we were sleeping in those sleeping bags. and the whole night I couldn't get a. wink of sleep because I was I was. thinking she's going to freeze so I kept. touching her making sure her neck was. okay God but she loved it and it was.

amazing it was incredible I think it' be. probably a fun thing to do for a night. and then go St stay we. stay yeah um did you see the Northern. Lights when you were up there the or. Aurora Boreal yeah amazing I want to do. that you've never seen them no no I've. never seen that in Iceland you can see. it's amazing I heard it's insane amazing. it's all green right oh you you'll cry. yeah it's [ __ ] amazing yeah we've. talked about doing that for one of our. family trips going seeing the the.

Northern Lights you have to go do that. yeah I do I do have to that there it is. yeah wow that's crazy that's is that the. Ice Hotel well no that no have a bunch. apparently I'm just no but that that one. looks amazing wow look at that I think. it's one of those down there with the. sculptures in it yeah pretty dope yeah. there's something to extreme C cold and. extreme heat where your body understands. that it's in danger and then it becomes. stronger resisting it and it produces.

cold shock proteins for the cold and. heat shock proteins for the heat I think. it's extreme deprivation also yeah it. will it certainly makes you more. resilient for other things too if you. can do I start my day with that the. first thing I do before I do anything I. get in the cold plunge and I do it. before workouts so I get in the cold. plch for minutes takes out the. inflammation as well probably does but. it also jacks up your testosterone. because for some reason when you go into. extreme cold for 3 minutes and then you.

work out the effect is that your. testosterone gets jacked up that's a. really I I never heard about this yeah. that's something that there was a study. out of Japan and there's something that. people are just starting to incorporate. now that they're starting to realize the. benefits of. those I'll start doing that The Bu. overall health and wellness is just. amazing it's an amazing thing and you. know I very very very rarely get sick. the last time I was really sick at all. was coid and I was only sick for a. couple days before that I hadn't been. sick in 11 years and I think a lot of.

that is training vitamins a lot of. different things that I do but I think. and when you start to feel sick right. away you you go super clean yeah teas. ginger lemon a little honey all those. things they definitely work they. definitely work and it's also. recognizing understanding your body. because you're used to exercise so you. have a deeper relationship with your. body you know when your body feels weak. like when I one one of the times my. whole family got Co and I didn't and I. think one of the reasons why I didn't is.

not just that I'm really healthy and I. work out a lot but I started working out. and I was like boy I feel unusually weak. today like I so what I'm going to do is. I'm going to stick to a light kettle. bell I stuck to 35 pounds and I'm just. going to do a very minimal routine of. like uh 10 Clean presses each side 10. swings each side and just stop and relax. and that's what I did and I did that for. two days and then the third day I. started feeling really strong and I said. well let's just push it today and I went. back to a normal workout so I think my.

body was resisting whatever was going on. in my house and all around me and then I. got through it and I never got sick do. you do Anor robic training I do all. kinds of training Anor robic is my. favorite I think that helps with the. breath hold I think it helps with when. you say anerobic training what do you do. where you're depriving your muscles of. o2 so let's say we were doing kettle. bell swings let's say with a 35 lb you. would do 50 of them or 54 I do I do but. anyway so you could do whatever High.

number you want then you take a minute. and then you do it again then you take a. minute do it again or with the battle. rope you you do let's say you know 10. minutes straight and it's it's it's it. builds up such a high tolerance it's. amazing even if you're just doing lunges. you can just do them slowly and and and. and really feel the the burn and then it. burns for a long time after well your. body is like a race car that you could. build the horsepower on the engine just.

through will just through will and. intelligent training and doing it. properly yep you can you can build your. output you change how the thing works. but when I'm holding my breath those. things that that training is exactly. what plays a part because when I start. to feel that pain and I want to quit I. know that I can keep going so it's. almost like I I train in extreme you. know conditions to to be able to do the.

other. stuff yeah makes sense it makes sense. and the boundaries of what is possible. versus what you think is possible the. only way you explore those is by trying. things like that and by doing things. like the cold and the Heat and this. realizing that your body can tolerate a. lot more than you think it can yeah when. you get out you build a resistance. quickly yes you do well that was the. thing with Shane the first time he got. into the water he couldn't even do a in. he's like [ __ ] [ __ ] and then yesterday.

he did 3 minutes yep yesterday and it's. only been two weeks so he climbed in. there and he's like in there for 3. minutes and then he got I was like dude. he goes I feel like I on Molly he goes. this is amazing it's amazing right I go. now it's getting the sauna you're going. to feel so good and you get in the sauna. and you close your eyes and you just you. feel like you're flying like ah and it's. also a great mindset to just walk in you. know you just you don't yeah tiptoe you. just walk walk walk and you go all the. way under righte and then come off yeah. just go in just go in and deal with it.

yeah yeah I I can just go in and have a. normal conversation with people yeah. yeah but the first time I did it I. couldn't even do a minute and a half I. think I did like a minute and 24 seconds. I was like oh Jesus [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] and. then the second time I did it I did it. longer and the I think the third time I. did 4 minutes and then the fourth time I. did it I did 20 minutes or 21 minutes or. something like that what's the. temperature like 33 yeah that was rough. how do you get it to be 33 I have a. what's called a morasco cold. Forge and it's really cold it's just.

above Freez so I I have to come back at. one point crack the ice with a kettle. bell to get into it sometimes or like. there's a video of me pushing aside the. ice where I climb into it it's on my. Instagram you could see what it looks. like it's just there's just like Giant. floating chunks of ice in this [ __ ]. and I just climb in there and just deal. with it and it's um and I can talk like. normal I can get in there my body's so.

accustomed to it I do it every day I. [ __ ] hate it every time I'm about to. do it I don't want to do it every time. I'm about to do it I'm trying to figure. out a way I can [ __ ] out so there's two. like my bra approaching much less much. lesser extent but but there's two people. in my brain there's this little [ __ ]. here it is here give me some volume see. all the ice in there oh yeah that's. great. guys yeah that's great I first started. doing the cold plunge the uh it was. difficult for me to get to just like a.

minute and a half I was. freezing and I'm. still just as cold but now I understand. it I've been here before I've. experienced. it are you listening to music no I'm. talking so that's like the mic. but I do listen to music I generally. listen to books in the. sauna that's one of them but there's. another one there was even more ice this.

the first one that popped up yeah if you. find it there's another one more ice. it's cold as [ __ ] yeah it looks amazing. yeah but again part of me is like don't. do it I don't want to do it don't do it. that's the in [ __ ] that's your inner. [ __ ] you got to conquer your inner. [ __ ] and you got to tell your inner. [ __ ] shut the [ __ ] up [ __ ] like my. friend John Joseph say a mindset my. friend John Joseph he does a lot of. triathlons and he used to be a drug. addict and now he's like super. disciplined triathlete and he said the.

way he says it with his like heavy New. York accent he goes your mind tells your. body who's the [ __ ] boss yeah and. that's what it is like until it doesn't. until it doesn't yeah but I mean there. there's there's a limit but you have to. figure out what that limit is and get to. that limit but I think that by the way I. think that's part of the thing that I. love about learning those crazy things. because even like to kiss the Cobra it. is no no no no but seriously as you. approach it's like all of those thoughts.

go through your mind and then as you get. there suddenly everything shuts down and. it's just you and the Cobra and you're. hyper alert to its movements to Its. Behavior and you're in some sort of a a. a Zone that's that's crazy and you have. to stay very calm or the Cobra proed. exactly and if you're not you get the. hell. out yeah but I mean that's one of the. things that people enjoy about watching.

your performances is that everyone knows. physical limitations and everyone knows. that every human being has this inherent. desire to avoid discomfort and the fact. that you seek it and you don't just seek. it but you're doing it like in the cold. for that Frozen block of ice for 60 plus. hours it's [ __ ] insane and that's. like is he still doing it like people. tune in the next day what how many days. has he been in that [ __ ] block of ice. what's the trick there's no trick the. trick is the Mind controlling the body.

and you decide that you can do even with. this series that we're doing you know I. have have a team I've imagine is is. helping me put this together so I have a. team for the first time and they said oh. we're going to find this we're going to. do that we're going to skydive off of. balloon you know all these I said no. find me things that when I hear them I'm. going to be very uncomfortable hearing. to even think about doing find me those. things that when I hear them I want to. run away that's what I want so okay.

we're going to cover you with a quarter. million bees you're going to do this. you're going to be put on fire you're. going to have scorpions over you know a. lot of things that you did we did on. Fear Factor we covered people with bees. on Fear Factor we covered people with. scorpions on Fear Factor especially. those big ass dark black scorpions what. those called what kind of scorpions. maybe like the elephant scorp. I don't remember what they're called but. the the really big scary looking black. shiny ones MH yeah and people got lit up. by those things too and they get stunned.

too and it's like a beast thing I think. it's like 20 Beast stings is it like 20. I think so whatever it is I was stung by. the for is emperor scorpion is that yeah. exactly that's right those are Terri I. was stung by the first scorpion the. first one is and you have to stay. perfectly still and perfectly calm and. unlike a bee they don't die keeping but. with the bees it really was incredible. to be you know we put the queen and the. locket around the neck and then they all. swarm you and when they're all vibrating.

around your body it it is one of those. feelings that is pure magic unlike. anything you've ever experienced wow I. don't recommend it but it is incredible. it's just on when they when when I shook. them off that's when I think I started. to get stung a little when we did it on. Fear Factor this was very interesting we. did it at this. Ranch and there was a local Hive of bees. so we had all the bees that we brought.

in we covered people with bees but then. a local Hive sent a bunch of bees to. find out what the [ __ ] was going on and. the beekeper knew that this were these. were different bees and said hey we have. to stop production right now for a while. they have to sort this out because they. have to communicate with each other. right so somehow or another these local. bees were talking to these bees that we. brought in and they're like hey what the. [ __ ] are you guys doing here like oh. we're doing a TV show I I mean whatever. the [ __ ] they said to each other but. there was some sort of communication and.

apparently it was settled to the point. where the local bees were like uh they. made some sort of an agreement the local. bees left and then the other bees and. then we went back to filming but we had. a stop down production for I think it. was like a good half an hour where these. bees had to work this out and and I was. saying to the guys these are so. incredible and I was so fasc I was like. how are they doing this like what's. going we don't know we don't know what. they're doing we don't know how but I. know that this is when they want to kill. like a wasp you know they all surround.

the wasp and they all vibrate and make. the temperature go up and they're. incredible right and how do they know. how do they know to do that yeah how do. they know you know I have Leaf cut their. hives are so symmetrically perfect right. how do they know how to make that what. what what kind of communication are they. having and they also they're so. efficient too just the uses of of space. and and and the way they design it is. yeah like architecture that we can't. even do now it's pretty amazing and. they're doing it with their mouths you.

know we um we have leaf cutter ants uh. it's very common out here and you know. they'll destroy plants they just take. little pieces of each leaf and you see. like a whole line of these ants and I. don't know if you've ever seen leaf. cutter ants Hive their colonies they. have these incredibly complex systems. that they build in the ground and the. way we've found out about these things. is by unfortunately flooding them with. cement so they'll flood these bee things.

these ant colonies these cutter leaf. cutter ant these these whatever they. would call these these hives or whatever. they call it and then they dig it all. out and when they dig it all out after. it's covered with cement they get to see. how insanely complex these structures. are so they have these little pods that. they have these areas that they have you. know designated where they build these. holes they dig in and they remove all.

the dirt and these long tunnels and they. even have ventilation systems where some. of the leaves will ferment so they have. leaves that are slowly decaying and. fermenting and they build them so that. these leaves have access to. oxygen they have no idea how these. leaves how these leaf cutter ants are. communicating how they know how to do. this how they figure this out and how. they consistently do this all over the. world like look how enormous this.

structure is that they're digging out. and this is all because they filled the. entire thing up with comp with with. concrete so here's there pouring this. concrete so there you see the leaf. cutter ants you see the the surface area. and then they slowly dump this concrete. in there which is like a [ __ ]. genocide of leaf cutter ants. unfortunately it's the only way they can. find this out and then once they do that. once they've done it then they allow it. to harden and then they slowly dig it.

out takes a long time but the result is. this knowledge of this insane insect wow. that has these complex structures that. is crazy it's amazing because it if you. think of how tiny an ant is and how big. that is that's akin to like. Manhattan like what the [ __ ] are they. doing yeah it's amazing and how what's. going on like how do they know how to do. this every how do they know how to do. this in Africa and they also know how to. do this in Texas how do they know how to.

do this yeah it's unbelievable yep it's. crazy yep never underestimate anything. anywh yeah but it also makes you wonder. like what what is being stored in the. genes and what do we have in what kind. of information do we have in our genes. that's inherent to the the species. that's just like a part of you as a. human being that's in there maybe that. is like one of the reasons why people. are naturally afraid of snakes a lot of.

people are naturally afraid of you know. monsters scary things hardwired yeah. hardwired for that yeah because like. kids aren't necessarily born afraid of. car accidents but car accidents are much. more likely to kill you than a monster. but kids are terrified of monsters right. but what's a monster from well it's. probably our memory our genetic memory. of cats of big cats that want to kill us. yep in the dark right monsters are.

always in the dark yep cats are. nocturnal yep they have big teeth. they're scary they hide and wait for you. well that's why people are wired to feel. really you you know uncomfortable when. they're standing on stage and have to. speak publicly it's like the number one. fear and and the reason is because the. the hard wiring is you know when we were. on an elevated platform with lots of. eyeballs looking up at us those were. predators those were lions or other. tribes or whatever it was so we had to. be fearful so it's hard wired so people.

when they stand on stage they're not at. risk of getting eaten by a lion but they. still have those really. uncomfortable feelings well I've been. told that it's because you're being. judged like you did something wrong so. but I think it's more deeply rooted than. that I think if you on an elevated. platform and you have lots of eyeballs. on you you're an easy target but it's. not always elevated like sometimes. people don't like speaking in front of. people that are at the same level them I. think but it's just lots of eyeballs on.

you lots of eyeball but I think it's. you're being judged and most most of the. time I think in tribal cultures if you. were being judged you had probably done. something wrong and you probably being. tried tried probably a combination cuz. earlier before that right you know when. probably a lot of factors yeah yeah. yeah it's it's very interesting like. what like how the mind works and how. many complex layers are in there how.

anxiety Works how fears work yep how. people can trick themselves into. thinking the worst case scenario is. definitely going to happen and they just. mind [ __ ] is part of the survival. mechanism yes yeah because that's the. ability to anticipate danger but you can. change that part of your brain yes you. can slowly the way your friend slowly. built a resistance to be able to go into. the cold plunge you could do the exact. same thing with any fear that you have. yes and people that don't have any. experience with scary things everything.

is. scary you don't have any experience with. adversity any experience with overcoming. things any experience with doing things. that make you nervous [ __ ]. everything's going to make you nervous. yeah if you're too sheltered you're. [ __ ] that's the one thing that. everybody's terrified of their children. being too sheltered yes we all know. children that are too sheltered that. don't try Danger things or scary things. or things that make them nervous well. those kids are [ __ ] when they go out. into the real world you haven't prepared. them properly yeah yeah it's a tricky. balance it is a tricky balance you.

protect them yeah I was alone a lot as a. kid and that also was really difficult. you know and dangerous and dangerous. yeah that's the other thing like you. never like free range children yeah but. you learn a lot you you learn survival. if you live when I would get mugged when. I was a kid I I didn't have a dad. growing up in Brooklyn but I would see. like a a man across the street and I'd. have like five kids mugging me i' like. Dad and they would like run away because. they were like 13 I was like so I. learned quickly how to get out of bad.

situations yeah how many times did you. get mugged a couple you. know three something like that yeah it. wasn't a big deal though but if you do. survive those situations you gain what. they're call Street smarts yes yeah and. you learn and you adapt and you learn. quickly you also learned that human. beings are not always nice there's a lot. of human beings that are not nice yeah. well in certain situations yeah yeah but.

you could also find human human beings. that are not nice and you can make them. nice quickly if you know how to be calm. and give the right energy. and I had um after a sky Dev injury I. broke my foot and I was walking around. with a boot on and I was walking around. Paris and I saw um a a a guy driving a. truck and a bike bicycle delivery guy. were in a heated argument and the guy. with the bicycle had his bike lock in. his hand and they were about to beat the. hell out of each other and I just walked.

into the middle of them and I said uh P. you know think of a card and frge and uh. they both looked at me like who is this. weirdo and suddenly the fight was. diffused diffused it with a card trick. well I didn't get to the card trick part. but just there's a guy here and they're. both heated up but like if one goes. against me then it's two you know so it. kind of diffused it but I have diffused. fights with card tricks many times. really yes how have you done that well I. see people like about to fight like in.

Union Square and I just walk right in. the middle I'm like here let me show you. C trick cuz I'm not their enemy and. they're so confused and then I do magic. and then it's over well I think also a. lot of times when people are involved in. an altercation they're looking for a way. out and they don't know how to get out. of it and so if you disrupt that like oh. now is a new thing to concentrate on it. alleviates some of the tens that's right. and then by the time you're done it's. already over yeah that's hilarious is. that you so did you start out doing that. street magic is that when you first.

started doing magic I mean I was doing. magic since I was like 5 years old so I. would do really simple mathematical. tricks but then I started to learn more. and more and then you know I was a magic. nerd at the age of 10 and then um and. then I would kind of just walk around. like practice shuffling cards and stuff. like that we move back into the city one. time I was doing a one handed Shuffle. and a bunch of guys that were working at. the parking garage saw me doing the. shuffle and they thought it was amazing. so like yeah and they came over and I. started do magic and their reactions.

were amazing and that's kind of when I. realized oh like yeah Magic's pretty. amazing to perform cuz before that I. didn't I only performed for a couple of. friends luckily cuz kids are a tough. audience for a magician and so whenever. I have like whatever I'm teaching a. young kid magic I say do it to your. friends parent not to your friends not. at school cuz one bad experience and you. don't want to ever do magic again you. know but parents and their friends are. going to be a nice.

audience that's good advice back then. how would you learn how to do say card. tricks cuz back then all you had was. books which was amazing I mean you would. read books and you'd read this trick and. then you would learn it step by step and. then you would do it and then you do it. and then you do it and when you did it a. thousand times it started to become like. your own thing and then you might change. something about it and then you'd really. make it your own and then to this day. they're still evolving like whenever I. do magic I'm still thinking and. processing and adding little tweaks so.

it doesn't stop yeah magicians are. notoriously secretive about their. methods so like do how much do they. teach you in. books books in Magic have a lot but the. good stuff is hard to come across it's. not in books how old are the books like. what's the oldest mean well the first. one was like uh I think it was called. discovery of Witchcraft from like 1584. or something like that and a guy wrote. all these secrets of methods that like. witches were using and they were being.

burned alive so he's like here this is. how they're doing it it's tricks you got. to stop killing the witches and then. they destroyed all the copies of that. book but some survived and and that book. has incredible secrets that I've done on. my TV shows like there's one where you. take a dead fly and bring it back to. life that's written up from 1584. wow I believe it's 1584 that was one of. the interesting things that I read about. the invention of the printing press that. once they started making books some of.

the first books were about how to spot. witches like I was thinking that oh back. then it must have been amazing because. now all a sudden people could like write. down all this knowledge and people can. learn like nope some of the first books. like the most popular books are like how. to spot a. witch and there was a lot of I guess I. guess well like who is the first person. to figure out card tricks is there like. a like a. [ __ ] originator I would I would.

assume like there there's a book written. by a guy that called himself erdes the. expert the card table and he had so many. secrets in this book that are so. relevant to all of the magic that any. card magician does to this day and he. was using it mostly for cheating or to. explain how people were cheating yeah. because they would they would poker. games yes and and to this day but when. you're a cheat at cards you have to work.

on three moves and be Flawless because. you cannot get busted so if you're a. card cheat and you get busted you're. going to get your hands broken or Worse. right so these guys that were card. cheats their moves are technically. perfect I remember I was with a guy. named Doc and we were surrounded by a. bunch of magicians and he just did a cut. the deck complete the cut switched the. whole deck and none of us could see it. none of us could see the deck being. switched out it was invisible and he now.

magicians will work on thousands of. moves right so they don't have the time. put in to be as Flawless as this guy but. this guy needs it to survive whereas The. Magician's using it to entertain so you. have room margin for error right right. but these these card sheets their. Precision. is it doesn't even make sense there's. moves that you see that you just can't. rationalize and you can't explain how. they're done really. yeah now how does one do a cut the deck.

cheat switches the whole deck so if it. was a red deck right here he cuts the. deck in half completes it and it's a. blue deck and you cannot see it happen. and he's doing it with one hand. one-handed where's the other deck I'm. not going to. tell but could give you one hint okay. give me a hint he does have some money. in his hand like he hold some hundreds. or whatever right that's only him giving. but it's Flawless and incredible but.

there's lots of guys that just are. incredible there's a guy named Rod The. Hop and he used to go to the New York he. passed away recently in prison but he. used to go to the New York underground. casinos and when he was a kid I think he. was like 15 he would just go to watch. right to see cuz he he was a magician. but he was like what could be done I. think that's what he went and one day. there was a guy that was like in his. late 60s and he said to the guy um I saw.

what you were doing and the guy's like. no you didn't kid and he's like yeah I. did and he's like then tell me what I. was doing and Rod said you were put he. had a button-up shirt and he said you. were switching cards through your shirt. and the guy's like how do you how do you. know that cuz it's invisible and he said. well I'm a magician he said you're not a. magician anymore and he taught Rod The. Hop how to cheat and from that day on. Rod The Hop became one of the best. cheats ever and then he went to prison. because he had a a card I met him before.

he went to prison and he had a a little. device that he would put into all the. slot machines and they'd all pay out n. Grand and eventually the casinos got wi. of it because they're like why is every. machine paying out n Grand here then. here then this K and so they put him in. prison and he passed away there but that. guy but that guy's chops were every. magician that ever saw him which is rare. he didn't mix with a lot of guys but he. mixed with a few all blown away. Beyond and it's just simply practicing.

something to the point where your hands. are moving so quickly and so smoothly. and Mis is it misdirection as well no. you could be burned you could have. cameras up you could do no no no these. moves are. invisible. wow yeah how does one make a move. invisible I mean is it just repetition. or understanding what to do to make it.

invisible I mean I I'll show you a move. that's just invisible but let's see it's. just a move though so I mean so card all. all you have to do is if you want to. take a card and you know that's. invisible like no matter what you do you. can't see it so but it's just a simple. move you know it's just you take a card. and then you take the you know but. that's invisible but that's used in. magic so for people that are just. listening you had a card that was a. heart and then you flipped over but but.

that's do that. again so you just take a card you do. like that and then you do that and then. it's there what the [ __ ] yeah but that. but but what I'm saying is that's used. by magicians but imagine this Beyond in. a whole another way that you cannot see. anything my friend just D can't see. anything but my friend has been working. on a move for years and years that he's. never going to use that only I think one.

other person besides him in the world. can do and. he he was written up by all every. magician not every magician but lots of. magicians were really upset saying that. move is impossible there's no way to do. it because and I I saw I watched it with. my own eyes many many times and as soon. as I pulled out my camera I was like can. I film it he put the cards away and I. never saw it again. really can we film that can we film you. doing that so we can play it back in.

slow. motion you just doing that yeah yeah I. will a in a little bit in a little bit. Jamie what's this little [ __ ] [ __ ]. what's he. doing Jamie's got two cameras on you now. he's hi to it oh I see you couldn't see. it yeah I'll do it I'll do it in a bit. though okay yeah bu in a bit well sure I. could do it now okay but it's just a. move okay hold on a second it's actually. my favorite move though but it's just. it's just this you take a card and then.

you take the card and do that it's just. a move watch theer do it again yeah but. you take a move you do that you do like. that you know it's just a move but I'm. just saying like there's so many moves. that are so relevant and that are so. amazing if you want to be a card cheat. where you do this with such Precision. that nobody could ever detect it have. you ever done that playing poker just to. blow people's mind yeah when I was like. 18 I went to one of my friends like a.

college games and I cheated everybody. just to see if I could but then I. returned all their money I said guys I'm. a magician I just cheated everybody here. but I just wanted to prove and I told my. friend whose house it was that the game. was in thank God you did that that's. that must have been blown them away. though most people think I'm watching. also nobody knew that I was a magician. right like all my friends growing up. only my best friends knew that I did. Magic what I even I went through the. silly phase of of like trying the the.

ridiculous tricks like an appearing cane. I was like 11 and I did this thing where. a cane appears and went po pop my eye. out I had I had a word yeah it was like. I I scratched my corny I couldn't I. couldn't use but but that I think that. was part of the reason that I never went. into like the the Illusions or the you. know Ma I didn't have magic kits I had a. deck of cards and then things that would. you would find laying around so I think. part of the magic that I love is when. you're using real things and real places.

and and and that is the magic you know. and it's essentially learning a movement. till you get to it where and you have to. make it look as natural as possible when. you're doing that it looks it's it looks. insane because it doesn't make any sense. like I'm just seeing you know even. moving fast I had a guy just flying from. London just to he's like so incredible. um and his name is Andrew Frost he is. amazing and he I just spent time with.

him just so I could sit there and have. him tweak me cuz he's so brilliant he. has like that mindset of a card sheet. but he's a magician but he's so precise. it's like I want you to watch everything. that I do and I want you to pick apart. everything you know because I also don't. get the opportunity to sit there and do. card tricks all day and all night. because I do these other things so it's. like I I lose time on doing this thing. that I love doing cuz I'm like oh how. can I learn how to do this thing with. the snake right right but like these.

guys that just do this day and night are. the best in the world and they perform. for magicians because a magician can. appreciate the amount of time and work. that goes into what they're seeing you. see nobody else when you see it you just. see a simple trick right but when I see. a magician perform I see how I'm like oh. this guy's put 10,000 hours in on that. move how many hours do you think you put. in on that simple trick oh my that's my.

whole life that's been forever that's my. whole life that's like the start that. started with my best friend who's my. mentor also that that showed me the. correct way to do it and I was like 18. and then I think I've I he I was with. him at a card thing in Cleveland a week. ago and he still corrected me wow yeah. wow after all these years he's like oh I. forgot to tell you you need to do this. oh wow but it's so strange but that's. why to me it's a constant learning curve.

yeah you know and it's fun to discover. all these secrets because they're not. readily available you have to search. hard for the good stuff and then you. have to put the work in yeah and then me. and my friend doesn't perform ever he. just loves the technical part of it but. then I have to now learn how to perform. it if and then I go out and fail over. and over and over and over and and then. eventually it starts to become decent. and then eventually it becomes something.

I'm happy about I mean I'm never fully. happy I'm always like tweaking tweaking. tweaking you know did you film yourself. initially to make sure that you couldn't. see yourself doing these things no I I. like to put myself in the hot seat and I. like to just go out there perform it and. then fail and then learn from that but. but yeah it would be better to set up a. camera film yourself watch it a th tou. sure in the beginning did you have a lot. of people that busted you like I see. what you're. doing well the good thing about being. magician is nobody knows where it goes. so at the end you can always curve and.

that's like jazzing almost so even if. you're off you can still go you can. improvise yeah which is probably like. fighting right like you're you're in a. weak position but you can right you can. adjust and improvise yeah and and that's. what I think makes a magician really. great as well H the ability to yeah to. just keep turning keep turning you know. interesting and if you have enough. tricks up your. sleeve you can almost like have them.

believe that the first couple ones well. it's all or it's all part the outcome. yeah yeah but I fumbled before but then. I just keep. going it's like bombing on stage or like. [ __ ] a joke up and then yeah but. bombing on stages that's where you learn. that's like where you learn the most so. every time I've been on stage and. everything is like a disaster that's. always the biggest learning curve and. then usually I get energized and then. you really yeah most certainly yeah.

that's with comedy as well because like. you realize like God that sucked I got. to get better I got to figure out what I. did wrong and then never do that thing. that I did wrong again and figure out a. way to make it better right and the way. you play in little venues and you. repetitiously do the comedy act and you. you you keep the stuff that you like you. tweak it you work on it for like a year. that that's that's what I think a good. magician does m it's the exact same. formula as a comedy show how many. different card tricks do you think you. know I I could go on.

forever is that sort of the um the. foundation of your magic it's card. tricks I just love the way they feel. there's like a just it's like a digital. fixation almost just the way they feel. in the H the size the shape the and is. this must be something you have to. practice constantly yeah it's day and. night that's all you do so you practice. still this day all the all the time yeah.

wow by yourself most of the time yeah I. mean I'm holding cards all the time yeah. always do you ever leave the house. without cards no no way never even if I. came with you to do the cold plugge the. deck of cards would be right next to it. really yeah and I always still wake up. with cards stuck all over my face my. neck every all the time yeah. all the time wow that's crazy you have. to be. married that's that's so nuts like you. have to be married to card tricks and.

that's the only way to be as good as. you're at well I think it's also like. the you know anybody could have access. to a deck of cards and there's so much. material and so much that you can learn. yeah I might take some of that get you. go thank yeah. thanks. cheers sir F yeah always good to see you. yeah you too I'm always blown. away I'm always blown away because when. I see you and you do card tricks I.

always think next time I see him I'm. going to pay attention and I'm going to. figure it out nope did you get it I mean. I I think I forgot to switch the camera. but I'm watching him do that in a side. angle from zoomed in couldn't see it. four times in a row couldn't see it and. even if you slow it down no and even I'm. watching the guy he just said Andrew. fast I'm watching him amazing right I'll. show you it's oce I've did it frame by. frame I kind of know where he did the. one switch Inc you don't know where it. went. why I'll do audio so we can hear it it's.

called too many aces for those that are. just walk okay so probably assumed. already if you had cut me a queen we. would have ended up with like 12. Aces first have a look this guy is so. good. yeah races but having 12 Aces right. would be inconvenient because then you. couldn't fit them inside the Box you. couldn't do anything like that right and. you end up with just the Four Aces and.

the real thing is is if you lose track. of what Aces come from what card because. then you can't put them back together. and you end up with this useless deck of. cards which is just full of Aces the. entire time and then yeah you just can't. can't put them back which is why it's. important to do this. what what the hell then that way you can. put them back inside the box and you. don't get this. usess yeah what the did you catch.

anywhere where but by the way that's the. least of what he does I mean he is a. phenomenon but there's lots of guys by. the way that are just mindblowing with. their slight of hand how many guys do. that in poker games oh lot must be a lot. of guys getting RI off in yes of course. yeah you know that I don't know that I. don't play poker you know but there's. tons of Che I met a I met a guy once I.

was uh the first time I met Mike Tyson I. I went to his hotel at the Trump. International and um I was doing magic. to everybody you know cuz Muhammad Ali. used to do magic and he taught Mike how. to levitate and something like that so. Mike was kind of into the whole Magic. thing and I started showing all these. things and uh a guy pulled me aside and. he was like you know I I I do some stuff. too and I was like what do you do he's. like well I I gamble you know sometimes. I go out with these guys and I win a lot.

of money I was like so what are you. doing and he said that when they're. playing in New York he would go to all. the delies near where they were playing. and he would take the decks of cards. that they sell at the deli and he would. swap them for identical decks of cards. that were all completely marked but in. inv visible so now he would go into the. game let's say on Upper Park Avenue and. as they were about to play he'd say wait. I don't trust the house deck let's can. you get new decks and the and the person.

whose house it was would call one of the. local delies and the delies would come. up with a bunch of decks and now all of. the Decks that were sealed and. everything they would crack them open. put them into play and he knew every. card oh my God. yeah now how does but that by the way. that and that's not even a slight of. hand. guy that's dozy of right now how does. one how how are cards marked there's a. million ways there's even something you.

could do with a red back card that's. called do where you put some sort of. like a red waxy thing that's almost. invisible but if you have a contact lens. over the pupil that that has a little. red spot in the middle you could see it. better but there's lot I know but. there's lots of ways to Mark decks I. mean I'm not going to get into them. those but there is a lot of easy ways to. Mark a. deck I'll show you after I have some how. come you don't want to get into it now.

no no no I get in trouble I get in. trouble yeah yeah oh by other magician. yeah I understand yeah but I worked for. two years on a on a system so these. these decks have a system that's amazing. that can I see that yeah that was kind. of like as a kid I had one deck of cards. and when I would po it on the subway I'd. have to pick it up and I would have like. a it doesn't feel right and I would. carry it everywhere for years and my. dream was to one day have unlimited. decks and then when I started to make my.

own Decks that was kind of like. highlight you make your own decks of. cards yeah yeah yeah are these yours. yeah are these these ones are mine that. I have in my show in Vegas so I put my. name on it so they keep it and um are. these marked yeah those ones are but by. the way I never use it in magic I just. like it I just like to work cuz when I. was young I would go to the magic store. tannin and we couldn't afford the marked. decks of course but they looked really. special it was called Magic see- through. the card deck and they were so expensive.

so I started selling my decks of cards. that I worked diligently on the system. for years and magicians would have them. and not know that they were even marked. and then I would see magicians I say. hold up the card and I would tell them. what it was so this is a mark deck right. here can I open this yeah okay and if I. open this you want me to open it here I. can open it no I don't trust you it's I. don't trust you [ __ ] you're going to. swap it out for something. else oh that's a good way yeah that'll.

do trust this. [ __ ] the Google images for Mark. cards is kind of interesting there's a. few fun ways they do it yeah this one I. think is very clever though like this. one's marked in the actual corner where. you can see the art I guess is done that. way oh the number two I don't like it. though when cuz those decks I don't like. if if if you leave them behind they can. see that there's something this has the. contact lens on so when you put the lens. on you can like see. it exactly. wow knew L Jamie you're so good at.

finding everything is a wizard I think a. lot of card cheats are going to be. really angry at me by the way you think. so well card cheats they're dirty people. they should be angry they should be. angry that we're onto them okay I'm. going to see if there's anything I can. see no you won't see it but take out the. two jokers on the top and bottom yeah. why well what are what is that is that a. joker yeah yeah a joker I designed me. swallowing a sword you could just take. that out take those out take out the top. those marked no I don't trust you most.

marked do you trust him I trust his. [ __ ] okay what does this say nothing. it says what does it say Well it reads. is it real no but then turn it upside. down what does that say magic yeah see. okay so this is this is marked. yep but if you show it to me that way I. can see it but if you hold it up the. other way then I can't you know glasses.

there's no way I can see this I need to. study this [ __ ] BR my glasses think I. it's figured out Jamie I mean you'd have. to know what he did there's a well I. feel like there's a way I can like stare. at it long enough no you're no you're. not going to get. it you don't know what he looks like. yeah you're not going to get it no uh-uh. no. chance zero chance you did. though no I don't see Jack [ __ ] but the. way you could really look is wait a.

minute I see the bottom is different. nope but the way you look at it is if. you put two cards side by side that cuz. otherwise you can't tell. okay I'm putting two cards side by side. here what do I notice is different by. the way even from here I can see like. the top card this one right here yep. even from. here I don't see. [ __ ] damn. it yeah you're not going to.

no so you could tell just by looking at. like what is this right here two of. spades Jesus Christ. how and any if you brought this to Vegas. and any competent dealer would recognize. that that's a mark card or no I I don't. think so cuz I brought it to Steve 40. who's like the best card sheet magician. he said it was a very Advanced and. really good system what's this.

one Queen of. Hearts damn. son how about this one. here three of diamonds godam but you. know I I'm going to show no but after. I'm G I'll give you a little no but. after I'll give you a little hint after. not on camera yeah no way I'm telling. everybody I'm going to get on Instagram. you're going no you're not you.

absolutely won't but oh yeah give him. the de I don't know really. okay youve luck hold on a second I'm G. to bring this over well here this deck. also here. okay why need let me have one more just. so I can compare it to something by the. way I worked on this for years. Mak zero should I give one little hint. no sure no I'm gonna give one little. hint what is the little hint the ace is. the easiest one to identify the ace is. the easiest one yeah that's my only hint.

okay I I see nothing but patterns that. look I worked with my very good friend. who's a great magician Doug on this for. two years we magic guy yeah yeah yeah my. guy my guy no I mean like is it uh. when you. magic it becomes a thing are you unfocus. your that has a little bit to do with it. by the way all right that Jamie that's. Jamie that's really good that you just.

Jamie got that I have another deck as. well but it's in the car but I have. another deck Jim's also got a touch of. theism he can see some things you're. seeing something it's a spectrum he's. got a he's got a a sense he's got a. different mind he works different he can. see things that other people can't see. see I can't really unfocus my eyes. though but yeah I don't know what it. would be by the way as a magician I. never ever use it in my card tricks but. it was just such a fun thing to work.

on I mean that that one's a really hard. one that you're looking at yeah they're. all [ __ ] hard they look exactly the. same it's just so interesting to me that. there's something that is so clear to. you that is yeah but when I teach you. this you're gonna you're GNA be like. whoa okay like it'll make perfect sense. want to end the podcast right now just. so I can see it we could we could cut it. out or go in the other room just to no.

I'm not doing this camera no way he. doesn't trust you you go in the other. room and talk about it and come back I. actually I'm sure you would but still I. would feel weird okay well I'm seeing. something here hold. on I want to give one more hint but I'm. not going to give me that. hint. give me that hint don't do it come on. son no I'm not gonna give the hint Now. give me that. hint I'm seeing. something I'm seeing something hold on.

what are you saying I'm I'm seeing A. disruption there something that's. different about this yes really yeah. yeah yeah yeah I could see. something yeah God damn it what is. it and you're going to lose it right. away I can see a very specific there's. very specific lines that go up and down. like this that I see that that are clear. and if I look at it a certain way I. could see it clearly so you're blurring. your vision you can blur your V is that.

what you I thought I had it and I was. like ah this is going to be a diamond oh. I see lines of the bottom so I see. something not at the bottom two no not. at the bottom what is this five. two wrong I thought it was a diamond. it's not Spade okay I'm I'm an idiot no. no it's it's a it's an advanced I think. it's pretty Advanced oh it's [ __ ]. Advanced as [ __ ] I am I'm doing all. kinds of weird things in my eyes try to. pick up. patterns but there are different there's.

some different 100% there's a different. pattern to this one on my right than. there is the one on my left that's true. but it's almost imperceptible but sure. if you can blur your vision and then. think but there's clear lines on this. that go up that are slightly different. they go uh at an angle there's two very. clear lines on the one the this one on. my right hand that don't exist on the. one on my. left and you can see it without your. glasses on yes I can see it better.

without my glasses on I'm I'm going to. get killed in the Magic World by the way. I see there's a very clear pattern on. this one too that exists that doesn't. exist on this one but God you have to. look at it so weird to see it but I do. see it I'm looking at it kind of. abstract. I can see that. pattern wow what is. it.

wow lots of magic is like logic puzzles. so it's like you have to break something. apart in every single possible direction. to figure out a solution God it just. makes me so I mean I don't play cards. but if I did I'd be so uncomfortable cuz. I'd be like how do I know how do I know. that I'm not getting [ __ ] there's a. lot of guys that cheat I would imagine. yeah you think like in a lot of these. highlevel poker games you get a lot of. dorks that have a lot of money and they. they want to be high rollers yes and.

they get robbed by people of come on I. mean you've heard about this people get. in trouble for it all the time didn't. Phil iy go to a casino and he found a. flaw in the way the cards were printed. that nobody could see and I heard. something like that and they millions of. dollars and they wanted to take the. money back well how could they say that. though when he didn't do anything wrong. just cuz he saw something that seems. insane did he tell people he he didn't. say anything so how the [ __ ] do they. know they said that he was able to.

detect a. slight misprint where the pattern was. slightly off he could detect it and then. use it to play God your vision must be. so important for a player like that like. if you have like a if you're slow but I. think you can no I think you can adjust. I think can adjust I think you can solve. around it yeah but I mean as your vision. goes shitty as you get older like it. would be harder and harder right you'd. have to get contact sure. yeah this show is boring as [ __ ] because.

I am just staring at. cars it's never I'm never going to. figure it out but I do detect that. there's something going on I can see. when I blur my eyes I can see that. there's discernible patterns that are in. certain cards that aren't in other. cards if I do teach it to you you cannot. I won't tell anybody except Brian count. he tells everybody no I'm just kidding. no I I won't tell anybody I promise I.

promise I'll tell Jamie but he'll yeah. no no I'm going to show I'm going to. teach both you I'm not going to isolate. Jamie j fault he's not going to anybody. plus Jamie will figure it out anyway. like he'll find the secrets yeah yeah. you think so yeah yeah yeah Jamie can. find anything so if you didn't have a. podcast to no he find it yeah he would. he would find it yes I'm sure. interesting I definitely see differences. in the lines when you look at it a. specific way I just don't know what I'm. looking for or what I'm seeing by the. way the the deck is called the white. lions oo why is.

that oh is there white lons in here that. I'm missing nope nothing to do with it. just on the box yeah anyway we what does. that have to do with anything that's. misdirection probably nothing to do with. lines Oh wrong you are we'll it I'm not. going to discuss it now looking for a. lion in here now no you're not going to. see a. lion what am I going to. say how many different coffee is good by. the way Black Rifle it's the best um how.

many different kinds of Mark cards are. there there's so many yeah yeah but but. those are used by cheats right not. really by magicians that they're not. necessary in Magic God how does someone. know if you're a a person who's like I. enjoy playing cards like you're going to. get [ __ ] robbed right well there's. also people that can mark the deck as. they play oh of course how I'm not. telling you oh come on no I can't but.

there's people that as they're playing. they're they Mark the whole deck but. it's. imperceptible I believe you but I don't. want to you know what I'm saying like I. do believe you because I've seen you do. things that I can't believe you're doing. and you're just doing them right in. front of me but there's but these guys. that cheat it's very different because. they work on three moves for years and. years and years and they are. flawless so if you're in a. like that guy Andrew Frost his technique.

on and the stuff that he's doing I think. it's card sheet level right and he's. doing it on camera and he's doing it. where you're like zooming in and slowing. it down you still can't see it yeah and. it's way better in person oh I can. imagine but it's. just it seems like I would never want to. play cards with people cuz I I get. [ __ ] like unless I was like this. covering my cards like a [ __ ] yeah. there's no way to tell no way and a good. cheat won't win oh like a pool Hustler.

he'll have that person win oh yeah good. cheat's not going to win he'll lose. every time oh that guy's a bad player. let's have him again interesting like a. pool Hustler yeah you lose a little bit. and then no you always lose L you miss. once in a while you win but that guy. wins oh so that guy's your partner yeah. interesting so how does it anybody not. suspect him but he wins just enough you.

know it's not like a an obvious thing. like a pool Hustler yeah and Vegas. behind every table it says we have the. right to refuse anybody for any reason. because if they suspect that you're. cheating somehow they just boot you well. Vegas will do that even if you're not. cheating. no even if you make two small bets and. then one big bet they're like oh watch. that guy really yeah of course what if. he just a psycho and just like I feel. like a big BET's coming on yeah but they. don't need that they you know they need.

time they need people that are going to. play long and steady cuz that's how they. make their money Dana White is a crazy. blackjack player like crazy like last. time I saw him we left it was like 2:00. in the morning he was down. $600,000 playing Blackjack he won it all. back and won 600,000 wow he played till. like 6:00 in the morning yeah if you. have the backing like if you could back. yourself over and over then that that. also helps meaning if you don't if. you're not afraid to lose a certain.

amount of money because you know that. you can keep backing yourself that's a. big Advantage but he's busted I mean. he's gone he's lost millions in but one. Millions as well yeah but he's a real. junkie it's wild to watch like the crazy. look they get in their. eyes it's so terrifying because like you. see the numbers like oh my God this is. so much money like what are you doing. this is you have to play you have to. play as though there's no money you have. to play the exact way you would play if. you were playing for free I guess yeah. yeah you have to well I guess when.

you're as rich as he is as well like you. really have to play for a lot of money. just to get that juice to feel it like. you for 50 bucks for him is nothing. doesn't mean anything yeah he has to. play for 50,000 50,000 hand is like this. is real money now we're playing real. money and then when he wins he's. probably still like oh wasn't enough you. know football player Taylor Luan was. with him and uh Taylor he listens to. Dana and Dana like bets for him and we. were talking about it we went to Shane. gillis's comedy show and then afterwards. he's like we're going to go bet with. Dana White we're gonna go uh Gamble I'm.

like oh my God I'm going let's go I want. to see this because he's guys are. psychos and I always knew that Dana bet. crazy numbers so we went down there and. he was down $120,000 in the first five. minutes and I was. like it was the anxiety you're sitting. there watching and you're [ __ ]. freaking out and then he won won and he. was up 60,000 and he quit so I think he. I think he won like 65,000 or something. like that but it's just like watching. him down $120,000 in five minutes it's. like oh my God my hands are clammy I'm.

like [ __ ] this this is so crazy I got. really lucky once at the what was it the. Palms the fatias The Palms yeah so I was. um I was filming my TV show and then at. the end I was like oh let's go play some. uh craps and they had a bet on the CRA. table which was called the fire bet and. you have to open and close each number. before you crap out right I don't know. how to play crab so you have to hit like. a four then you have to close a four. before you get a seven then you have to.

hit a five then close a five then a six. then an eight then a nine then a 10. before you throw a seven so it's very. unlikely that you're going to do that. with all of those numbers so it's a. great bet for the casino because nobody. ever hits it right and I was playing at. the low stakes table throwing the dice. but I I said oh can I can I throw Dice. and they were like no and then the Pit. Boss she called upstairs uh David bla. wants to throw dice can you give. approval and they said yes so she said. okay take your shirt off and joke hahaa.

and then um but yeah pull your sleeves. up you can throw the dice and keep your. hand you know KN out of the table and I. just for the h of it put a bet down for. everybody at the table including the. dealers so I put like a bet that they. would all win I think like five grand or. 10 grand if I hit so I was throwing the. dice not I didn't nobody even the fire. bit never came out at the Palms ever I. was throwing the dice it was hours and. by the way I think the Super Bowl. champion table was over there and they. were all screaming going crazy at the.

craps table next us the high stakes one. right kept throwing and all of a. sudden the dealer says I mean the the. pipo says stop and I was like what cuz. you know I was winning on hard 8 and all. these double fours all these bets like. and they said uh you just hit the fire. bet and everybody at the table I like. what does that mean they said everybody. at the table just.

won five or 10 I think 10,000 and all of. a sudden everybody started jumping up. and down and going crazy it was like. pretty amazing they had to stop the. casino that whole area they shut down. they had to review for 2 hours to make. sure I wasn't switching dice or doing. anything funny and then everybody had to. fill out a W9 and then everybody got. paid but it was pretty amazing they stop. you from playing or they let you keep. playing no after that I was done but. they that was two hours of dice rolling.

but then um they remove that bet from. The Palms I think that's what I was told. wow yeah just got lucky not trust you I. don't you right now I don't [ __ ]. believe it I did I promise I got lucky I. I'm telling you it was like a yeah sure. sure you did I did yeah but that's the. problem with someone who's so good at. slight of hand like you could do things. with cards in front of people and they. go no he wasn't cheating it was a spade.

and then all a sudden it was a diamond. but you obviously did do slight of hand. when you did that trick right how do I. know that you can't do that with dice. you surely could well I can't but there. are people that can must be people that. can I told you about last time yeah but. I but not me yeah cuz that's not your. area of expertise cards spend 10 hours a. day throwing dice against the CRPS table. but if you went to a card game people. would immediately be like what is yeah. and as a magician it's a lose lose cuz. if you if you win you cheated or if you.

lose you're a bad magician so I just. don't. play but I would be so tempted to just. see if I could get away with it well I. did and I was like 18 yeah I would be so. tempted just to like to see if I could. get away with it under the scrutiny of. all the cameras in Vegas not not trying. to rip them off if I would like to do it. like say hey I'm G to rip you off please. watch this you don't have to give me the. money yeah you could do that I would. like to see that but even just card C. you know people that count cards they um.

banned Dana White from The Palms because. he won too much money playing Blackjack. and so he pulled the UFC from The Palms. really yeah was he counting cards no. just playing really yeah he just won. like $7 million in a night wow like [ __ ]. you you're banned which is crazy because. like if he lost $7 million they'd be. fine with it it'd be thrilled but you. can win 7 million and you can lose 7. million I mean leg told most casinos the. profit is from slot machines oh yeah I.

heard that too yeah which is crazy cuz. that's just rigged I mean that's just a. [ __ ] computer I mean it's just. tempting you but that's also this weird. human instinct to just keep pressing the. button and hoping it wins try it again. try it again you know I mean it's not. choice it's not you're not making. decisions you're just pressing buttons. you know what I mean yeah like. scratching six numbers yeah it's which. is also super addictive yeah yeah it's. just so fascinating to me that people.

can do things right in front of your. face and they tell you they're doing it. you still can't see it like what the. [ __ ] is happening. here yeah that's. you yeah well the funny thing now though. is it's very different cuz in the old. days not everybody had a a video camera. right so you could just do whatever and. not worry about the angles this that now. when you do magic you have to be hyper. sensitive because everybody's filming. from everywhere now right so you know it.

changed the the the way you could. perform you have to be better not just. better but you have to think about. things that you've never thought about. because the human eye can't see it you. know human eye is worse than the first. cell phone camera ever it's just so low. resolution image is upside down you have. a big optical nerve in the middle so the. eye doesn't really see the brain paints. a picture the video camera records then. you can see and so if anybody's doing. something that has a flaw it's caught.

right so it changes it it changed magic. a lot but yet you could still do it you. just have to you just have to you have. to think about all angles at all times. and be hyper aware of everything from. behind from here from here here you know. anything what you do is so interesting. because you do that and then you do. things like kissing cobras which is like. there's no trick there that is not a. trick that is learning yeah but learning.

from an expert that does it over and. over so there is a technique to it I'm. just on a rush yeah but it's not a trick. like you [ __ ] kissed a cobra it's not. a rubber Cobra it's not you know what. I'm saying like two by the way yikes two. different ones yeah listen David it's. always a thrill to talk to you you're a. [ __ ] amazing person and uh what you. do is so fascinating to me I don't want. to learn it but I'm so blown away I want. to end this podcast because I want you. to show me how to count cards and uh and. tell me when do this uh show come out uh.

well then the National Geographic series. I think it's in like 6 months or. something we're still filming episodes. um nothing as dangerous as the kissing. the Cobra anymore hopefully and yeah I. think it'll be I think it's interesting. well just the clips you show me are. amazing it's crazy which you I mean I. don't want to give it all away but you. showed me a lot of wild [ __ ] and it's. [ __ ] insane and please tell me when. it comes out by the way you didn't come. see my show I didn't come see your show. I didn't know when it was in Vegas well. you didn't tell me well you have to come.

at one point when is it it's at the win. and you have to see it when is it how. often you do it uh it's only like a few. days a month because it's it's it has. this magic and everything in it but it. has the physical stuff as well so I. can't overdo it but that show isn't. going to last for a long time because. physically it's not possible so you. really should come see it I will when. are you doing it again uh are you there. on nove December 15th no it's like of. end of the month always end of the month. yeah but it's a few days per month so. you okay you should really see it you.

tell okay there it is it's it's up there. so I will figure out when I can get to. Vegas and I will do it yes I'll try to. do it in line with but it's a show that. I can't keep doing for much longer so I. really would love it if you did come God. I hope I don't go to one you get H. it's very possible I don't want that I. get her like yeah I know but I know but. that's the part that's the stuff that. keeps me we'll figure it out and I will. come okay so then then we'll discuss. this okay all right thank you brother.

appreciate you very much you my pleasure. all right bye. [Applause]. [Music]. [Applause]. everybody.