Joe Rogan Experience #2049 - Coleman Hughes

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day what's up good to see you man what's. cracking I'm good I can't complain we. were just talking about uh you live in. New York City and whether or not the. migrant crisis is uh a real thing notice. it it's a real thing you notice it uh in. Port. Authority and uh I think when Eric Adams.

gets in front of the country and says I. can't handle this I think he's telling. the truth right and some people have. accused him of racism bizarrely but I. don't think it comes from that I looked. into this and you know the part people. don't know about this story is is really. the full unfolding of it goes back to. the. 1930s New York state made a. constitutional amendment to the State. Constitution which Prov.

which required the state to provide. housing for for the homeless essentially. and it was sort of vaguely worded so in. the 80s and 90s the the courts in New. York began interpreting that more and. more. strictly almost no other state I'm not. sure if any other state actually has. something in its state constitution uh. requiring that that kind of a thing so. basically what happened. is is the judges ended up interpreting.

this more strictly obviously the. original purpose of this is for New. Yorkers that are homeless to be housed. but they ended up interpreting it so. strictly that when the Republican. governors in Texas and Florida began. sending a few thousand migrants up to. New York City as kind of an Fu to the. liberal cities that have declared. themselves Sanctuary cities without. actually having to deal with the kind of. Border crisis that Texas does.

a few the first few thousand found that. legally New York had to house them and. then word got down to Mexico that if you. make it to New York City you will not be. turned away legally you don't even have. to be a a citizen for the state. amendment to apply to you so what began. as a few let's say the first 105,000. were sent by the Republican Governors as. a kind of political tactic.

has now become tens and tens and tens. and tens of thousand coming of their own. valtion to New York City and it's the. only state in the country where the. mayor Adams has no legal recourse to. send people elsewhere he he actually. cannot do it he's tried to do executive. orders but he legally can't because it's. in the state constitution it's above his. it's above his power and now it's its. own it's it's it's uh it's taken on a. life of its own way over and above what.

the Republican Governors started so it's. uh this is why he's going to the. National media and literally saying I. can't do anything about this I'm trying. to do something about this but I can't. and we're putting people up in airbnbs. for you know $100 a night and the city. will be bankrupt in X number of years if. we don't find a solution to this oh my. God yeah I was looking at a video of the. Roosevelt Hotel which is no longer a. hotel they they essentially said this is.

now a center for housing migrants right. and they they said the restaurant is no. longer a restaurant and sorry that's. just how it is now yeah I mean what do. you do if you own the Roosevelt Hotel. and you just wanted it to be a hotel and. now the state just says Nope yeah I mean. look I I don't blame any of these people. if you if I was born in Mexico 100% we'd. all be doing the same thing it's just. it's a smart thing to do from their. perspective but that does doesn't mean.

from our perspective that we should just. put out the bat signal to the whole. world and say you can come to New York. City and we have no legal recourse to. move you anywhere else it's just it's. not just New York City it's other parts. of the world it's strange that recently. it's become this crisis where migrants. are coming and Mass to these places and. just flooding them like is this. orchestrated is this just a fact that. they found out that they can do it and.

it's better than where they are and if. they go there these places that are you. know essentially you know they're. charitably minded and they you know they. would like to House people that are down. on their luck but now people are sort of. taking advantage of that loophole and. just swarming I think that's what it is. I think the whole Western world has. become much more open to immigration. recently obviously America was open to. immigration in the 19th century but we. were the outlier all the other countries.

of the world the default was closed. borders essentially so I think the whole. world has out of empathy for the the. poor and struggling has wanted to have. more permissive. immigration but that sends an incentive. to people of the world that that they. can now come they can you know abuse. Asylum laws and again I I don't even. blame people for doing this because it's. exactly what I would do if I were born. in Guatemala or Syria I would say hey. I'm I I'm I'm a refugee uh this is my.

story and I would probably lie about it. in order to get a better life in the one. life that I had but th this is just a. true side effect of those compassionate. laws is that people abuse them you get. you know immigration pools that are. vastly proportionately male which is how. you know that they're not refugees. because where are the women right right. um and uh it's just it's it's a side. effect of of the intended compassionate. immigration policy that's this is how.

this works this Thomas Soul's great. quote there are no Solutions there are. only trade-offs this policy has a. tradeoff it's more compassionate but it. also leads to in the case of New York. what could be a Serial a serious fiscal. crisis I was someone told me this I I I. was looking to check into this but I. figured I'd wait until the podcast um. someone was telling me that the Biden. Administration is talking about sending. people back to. Venezuela.

Venezuelans see if you can find anything. about this why why Venezuela. specifically because Venezuela is. dealing with a communist socialist. government and they wouldn't vote for. that in America MH now one of the things. that's weird about this crisis is it. comes at the same time as people trying. to say that you should have no voter ID. and they've openly spoken about it in. New York that people who are illegal. immigrants should be allowed to vote. yeah which is is really look I.

pushing for that for years I cannot talk. [ __ ] because I am the product of. immigration my parents am I my. grandparents came over here in the 1920s. and that is just you know okay that's. why I'm here where they come from They. Came From Italy and Ireland and that's. just why I'm here you know so they came. over when they knew that they could have. a better life in America and these. people are doing the same thing and I. understand it. but it's just wild that there's no. requirements like there's no background.

checks there's no checks to see if. you're on a terrorist watch list there's. you're just like letting people through. Biden Administration will begin. deporting Venezuelan migrants directly. to Venezuela I mean that is just so the. idea is Venezuelans are going vote. rightwing like Cubans because they. socialism exactly because it's ruined. their country I'm curious what is his. stated rationale though um this is okay. Homeland Security secretary Alejandro. mayorcas conf confirmed that the. Administration has successfully.

negotiated a deal with Venezuela to. execute the policy but did not say. whether Venezuela was getting anything. from the US in return we are a nation of. immigrants and we are a nation of laws. mayorca said at the same Thursday press. conference uh officials said that some. migrants have already been identified. for deportation starting today the. United States will begin direct rep. repatriations of venezuel and Nationals. back to their home country and in fact. we have already identified individuals. in our custody today who be removed. promptly in the coming days a senior.

official said Venezuelans make up a. large share of border crossings and for. years us has generally been unable to. deport them because of Frosty diplomatic. relations with Venezuela Mexico has. agreed to take some but it remains. difficult issue for the administration. and for cities receiving migrants that. that is so. transparent the fact that they're saying. Venezuelans and that they're. communicating with the Venezuelan. government to deport these people mhm. that that's so gross. so gross yeah it's very Str very weirdly.

selective it's just transparent it's. very obvious as to why they've been so. loose about this border crisis thing in. the first place and uh I I assume you. saw that Biden suspended 25 federal laws. to start rebuilding the border wall did. you see that um so they're rebuilding. the border wall now yes he's essentially. doing the same thing that Trump did they. all do it but I mean Obama talked about. it in like 20.

it's like they've all talked about it. it's just speaking of the the voter ID. thing though this is one thing that uh. really made me crazy during. coid for years people on the left have. been saying that voter ID laws are. racist I don't know if you've paid. attention to this at all but the. argument is that black people and. especially poor black people struggle to. get. IDs it's never made much sense because. you need an ID to buy sixpack you need. an ID to open a bank account you need an.

ID just that all these you know normal. things that people of all classes and. races have to do and then when uh in in. New York City during coid they. implemented the policy that to get into. any restaurant any gym uh anywhere in. the city you needed vax card plus. ID so me paying attention to the. discourse for the past few years I. thought to myself where is everyone on. the left that said black people don't.

have IDs shouldn't they be calling this. policy racist and saying that we are. excluding all of the restaurants and. gyms and so. forth uh to black people because you. need vax card plus ID and black people. can't get IDs I'm doing the math here I. didn't hear a single peep from anyone of. The Usual Suspects and I said this is. how you know it's a fake belief they. never really believed that black people. can't get IDs no it's it's it's not just. a fake belief it's if you want to say.

something's racist you could make a much. better argument That vaccine mandates. are racist because the majority at at. least in the beginning of the coid. vaccine roll out the majority of the. people that were refusing it were. African-Americans and Latinos they were. like we don't buy this especially when. you deal with the Tuskegee Cris when you. when you hear about the times in the. past where medical interventions have. specifically targeted or there's been.

like like evil [ __ ] that they've done. specifically to Black Americans and they. they're suspicious yeah right so yeah. yeah yeah I mean um definitely I so I I. was always curious was it I think in the. black community in general people are. just more suspicious of the government. in general in every possible way from. dealing with the police to dealing with. just system in any domain and they did. make the argument that Co itself was.

systemically racist because it was at. least in the beginning it was. disproportionately killing black people. uh I thought this was again this is a. very simplistic way of thinking yeah I. don't equate disparities with racism but. I noticed the Washington Post ran a. story a few years later that maybe by. 2022 Co was disproportionately killing. white people right because the. situations change and it it's just very. complicated right very few things fall.

equally along every population in life. and I asked the question okay is did. systemic racism change its direction is. is co. now anti-white well no the truth is that. you know every disease has a different. racial profile in terms of who who it. affects Hispanics for whatever reason no. one understands it Hispanics have the. lowest maternal mortality rates lower. than white people people nobody gets.

it it could be any number of things. there are many cancers that uh. preferentially some kill black people. more often some kill white people more. often if you look at the CDC charts. you'll just find every disease has its. own profile and rather than say okay. this this disease is racist because it. has a disproportion we should all back. off the RW a little bit and realize that. you know these things are very. complicated. multifactorial and to reduce it all to.

racism is is just very you know we've. gotten into this thing where we all we. have a hammer and everything looks like. a nail and the media knows that racism. stories get clicks so everything becomes. about that yeah it becomes a failure of. mainstream media and that that there in. what you're talking about about the need. for clicks that's a huge part of this. failure is that they rely on people. paying attention so to pay attention to. a story like or in order to be.

incentivized it has to be something that. outrages you or infu or or scares you. and so those are the things that they. lead with and it's it's good and it's. bad the good part is it's given rise in. a major way to Independent journalism so. many people have lost faith in what they. deem to be. corrupt very biased and obviously. corporate influenced mainstream media.

cuzz they they'll hide certain. narratives they'll you know if it's Fox. News they they will never criticize the. right everything is about the left if. it's CNN everything is about the right. being fools and the the left being like. the ones that are on the right side of. History it's just it's just shitty. journalism and you know that um that you. know comedian Ryan long right yes you've. probably seen his skit where he takes. footage of the BLM protests and the the. uh police brutality videos and he says.

you know I I give half of them to CNN. and half of them to. Fox no what is what do you mean he has. this hilarious skit where he's he he. he's like to cameramen essentially to. Media organizations like what do you do. with that other half of the footage. right you shouldn't just waste it you. should give it to the other side right. so give the videos of of of police. officers beating up protesters you give. that to CNN and you give the videos of. riers burning down mom and pop shops to.

uh give that to Fox right and he he it's. it's almost like an infomercial for how. he doesn't waste any bit of the animal. when he cooks the food right it's it's. it's very. funny it's just it's a failure I mean. actual journalism should be unbiased. objective people discussing what is. actually going on and that that is. definitely not the case and that's part. of what we're running into and you know. when it comes to the the coid deaths. I mean so many factors were never.

discussed and one of the big ones that. seems to affect the African-American. Community more than other people is. vitamin D deficiencies the reason why. there's so much melanin in. African-American skin is because people. in Africa deal with very hot climates. and direct contact to sunlight and so. they have protection from that the. reason why people became White is. because they move to areas that are. covered with clouds like England and. it's not a [ __ ] coincidence that. people there as pale are pale as paper.

it's because they're they're basically a. solar panel for vitamin D their body's. trying to produce more vitamin D and the. way to do that is produce less. melanin my friend who was a doctor in. New York City said that when he was a. doctor and he would find sick people. that would come to the hospital and he. would test them for levels of vitamin D. he would find often times undetectable. levels of vitamin D in some. African-Americans who weren't. supplementing and weren't getting sun. exposure and he's like it is.

catastrophic for your health it's. catastrophic for your immune system and. none of this was ever discussed of. course because we were there was a. binary solution like it was this. experimental MN mRNA vaccine or nothing. and any other solution was conspiracy. theory foolishness anything else to. improve your health even on top of that. vaccine even saying yes you should get. vaccinated but also you should lose. weight also you should take vitamins and.

you should exercise and you should eat. better and don't drink don't smoke do. these things that are going to improve. your overall metabolic Health there was. Zero of that because it wasn't. journalism it was all promoted by people. who are advertising on these mainstream. media platforms and that was what it is. and that's what we're dealing with and. again it's good and it is bad the good. thing is is it's LED people I think to.

have the lowest level of trust ever in. mainstream media in our lifetimes I mean. there was a recent uh CNN ratings poll. with they got like. 43,000 people watching CNN which is. insane I mean that is. like that's like an average comedian. with 100,000 followers real yeah you. know that's nuts it's nuts that this. massive major worldwide international.

news organization is getting 43,000. people watching their show but it's. because people have completely lost. faith in whether or not these people are. telling the truth so I watched your RFK. Junior episode and you know I watched. the whole thing very carefully I read. his books and checked the. footnotes. and you know all of the people that are. you know my friends that are very smart.

people um really disagreed with the fact. that I liked him so I had to do a lot of. soul searching about what it is that. resonated with me but not with all of my. you know intellectual and journalist. colleagues that I tend to agree with. about 90% of stuff I really had to do. some soul searching and you know what I. came out feeling was that it wasn't I. agreed with RFK about every claim that.

he made in fact there are certain claims. that he made that I double checked that. were flat out wrong it's that I felt the. version of RFK portrayed in the. mainstream media was a totally different. person from the real RFK right and that. there was a a framing put around him. that was. so obviously uh uncharitable and bad. faith so for. example if I told you if if I'm one of.

those people that was obsessed with. getting fluoride out of the water right. and that was my cause in life as a. journalist what would you label. me well Coleman Hughes the yeah the. conspiracy theorist or or even more. neutr fluoride Den anti fluoride. activist or something right now would. you call me an anti-water. activist of course not that wouldn't. make any sense right if I was someone. that wanted to take like my mother's.

whole thing um was she wanted to take. high fructose corn here out of food she. was very this is a big issue for her. would you call her an anti- high. fructose corn syrup addict as a. journalist or an anti-food activist. no so RFK Jr you know and I don't think. he's right about this but just as a. matter of journalistic. accuracy his whole project with vaccines. has been to take stuff out of the. vaccine that he thinks is toxic right.

his his most antia quote unquote book is. thimerosol let the science speak he he's. trying to take the thimerosol out of. vaccines now if I were describing this. guy even if I disagreed with every every. word he said as a journalist I would. call him an anti-. thyrosol activist not an antivaccine. activist right because why would you. Advocate taking a out of B if you. thought B was also poison what's the. point of taking poison out of poison. right so the framing of him in the.

mainstream media as an antivaccine. activist to me seemed already like a. uh not at all the framing and objective. journalist would put on the issue even. if he's wrong about about the. facts and that you know that clear bias. in the in the treatment of him rather. than treating him like a normal. politician and you know. you know putting your perspective on it.

putting this framing on him as a crazy. guy as a. crackpot that seemed to me that I think. that is really what rubbed me the uh the. wrong way about how so many people were. were treating him well also they don't. understand his work before he became. this vaccine skeptic or this person who. discussed the the the apparent. connection between some Adverse Events.

and some adverse effects and some. vaccines he started off as an. Environmental Lawyer and his work helped. clean up the Hudson River and there. there's a you could research it it's. like he did amazing work and he held. corporations responsible that were. polluting and because of his work the. Hudson River made a remarkable comeback. and then these women came to him and. they said you are researching. all these toxins and pollutants that get.

released in the water I want you to do. this with vaccines and they started. talking to this woman came to his door. and she said I'm not leaving until you. look at this and she gave him a stack of. files and documents and he started. looking at it started looking at the. difference between ethyl Mercury and. Mercury uh or methyl Mercury and ethyl. Mercury what's the difference and which. ones are toxic and why are they in the. vaccines in the first place and like why. are the manufacturers that make vaccines. not lying at all for adverse effects and.

so he starts doing a deep dive in this. and he finds out that it's all forboden. right this is all forbidden subject if. you talk about it you'll you'll be. labeled a a vaccine denier or an. antivaccine person which is like the. worst anti science perjorative that. someone could label on someone who wants. to be taken seriously and he realizes. that he has to go down this road and I. can't believe he's like I can't believe. I have to go down this road but I have. to go down this road and he starts. researching it then he starts talking. about it open ly and frankly. courageously and there is some very.

bizarre you know correlation not not. necessary causality right because it's. not really being openly studied in terms. of like it's not like it's not being. discussed in mainstream media this not. it's not something that's being. discussed openly in universities and. taught in schools and medical school but. there seems to be a very a rise in. adverse effects and all sorts of issues. that people are having once they started. adding more vaccines to the roll out.

which also happened right after they. made these vaccines and the companies. that manufacture them no longer liable. for any adverse effects MH and it's. sketchy stuff because you can't talk. about it and whenever there's something. that you can't talk about it gets real. weird because you can't just look at it. and say okay what is actually going on. objectively let's not signal to everyone. that I'm on the side of Science and I'm. the side of reason and I the I'm on the.

side of you. know the what's best for the the whole. world let's just look at what is. actually happening and no one wants to. do that because if you even just start. dipping your toes in those Waters people. like wait what are you saying are you a. vaccine skeptic are you a vaccine denier. are you. antix right which is not something that. he's he's like I've been vaccinated my. whole family's been vaccinated this is. not what I'm saying yeah what I'm saying.

is there are proven effects that mercury. and aluminum have on human beings. particularly in their developmental. stage that seem to be detrimental MH so. why aren't we looking at this I think. what happens when the experts the real. experts abandon a line of inquiry. because it becomes taboo yes because. everyone's blood pressure blood pressure. Rises when the the topic comes up and we. have that caveman Instinct that we may.

get socially ostracized for something. right that's a big one totally when that. happens the experts abandon a line of. inquiry the non-experts are going to. come in and do the job and they're going. to do it non-ex expertly by definition. right so that's what I feel has happened. around the conversation with vaccines. it's that the experts have been so so. dismissive of. any skeptic ISM right yes which. generally skepticism is is a good thing.

it's you're taught to be a skeptic right. but the word is portive in this case and. rather than really. um compassionately going into the. evidence and saying I'm going to go all. the way down the rabbit hole with you. and as an expert I'm not going to talk. down to you but I'm going to explain to. you what I may know that you don't and. I'm going to go into it with an open. mind knowing that some vaccines have. turned out to be unnecessary in the past. some vaccines have caused damage in the. past rather than make the whole area.

taboo and just making everyone feel like. a nonperson who's there the the best. experts should shine a light on it. really they should shine a light on it. and then someone people wouldn't be. necessarily running to a lawyer an. environmental lawyer for their their. narratives about this issue and I think. that that's what happens when the expert. class abandons a particular line of. inquiry unquestioned. yeah that's a very good point and then. there's also the revolving door between.

the FDA and pharmaceutical companies. which no one denies that no one den you. cannot it's it's there's clear. incentives that are in place just based. on the past just based on the fact that. people have been able to Parlay these. jobs go from being a part of the FDA to. being a part of fizer and being a part. of all these other pharmaceutical drug. companies so I don't know if he know if. he mentioned this specifically on your. podcast but I looked looked into this uh. because of his book and and talked about.

it on some other podcasts he uh you know. the around 2,000 the Roa Shield the Roa. virus vaccine seven of the 13 people. responsible for uh approving That. vaccine at the CDC and the the FDA seven. of 13 so so a majority were had Direct. Financial ties to companies that were. producing that exact kind of vaccine. right at the time yeah so you have to. think to yourself common sense that's. insane that can't be how the system.

should work without doubt Congress. looked into it and they reported on this. they said this is a this is a disaster. they had to recall the vaccine by the. way uh because it was causing Inception. in in uh infants and we've sort of been. assured that they've cleaned up their. act since then and that seems to be the. narrative that they've cleaned up their. act and I'm I'm I'm sure there was some. panic and there was changing of policies. right but as a. journalist uh our job is not to trust.

the government our our job is to verify. and the the status quo I looked into it. recently is that the CDC and the FDA. they're still allowed to appoint members. of those panels who have conflicts of. interest so long as they're below a. certain bar of of conflict of interest. now who determines where the bar is they. determine where the bar. is and they're not required by law at.

all to report their deliberations. publicly so as as an objective Outsider. I would like to believe I would like to. believe that CDC and the FDA I don't. think they're evil people I don't think. they're lizard people I think they're. whatever I would like to believe that. they're making good. decisions but as a journalist you have. to be able to verify it or else why. should I trust yes so if they're self-. policing and not required to report I.

think people should be this is this is. my problem when Rand Paul is a is. aggressively pressing fouchy about. conflicts of interest in Congress. journalists should be like this guy's. doing our job we're supposed to be doing. this instead they label. him as as some kind of bad person. journalists are supposed to aggressively. police the government and when you don't. do that you end up getting uh yeah you. get get get people doing the job for you. and they may not do it perfectly and.

they may overstep but shouldn't the. shouldn't the response be how come. mainstream journalism isn't pressing. fouchy like that we should have done it. and we should have done it 10 times. harder and more precisely than Rand Paul. did it right that that should be the. response not Rand Paul as a conspiracy. theorist but the problem is money the. problem is when you look at the. incredible amount of money that. pharmaceutical drug companies spend on. Advertising in they essentially have. control of the narrative whether people.

are directly told not to discuss these. things it is most certainly on the table. that they know that there will be. repercussions and so they don't they. don't report on them look if you look at. the Purdue Pharma crisis have you seen. the uh Netflix documentary uh painkiller. I saw not documentary it's like a docu. drama series I saw the Hulu version I. had I didn't seen that one that's dope. sick right that one's excellent too it. was great but when they. show.

how it's captured by money and when they. show that they clearly knew that this. was it's an opiate and they are. addictive and yet they somehow or. another use the language many believe or. some believe what was the exact wording. some believe is not addictive like who. the [ __ ] uses that for something that's. going to be prescribed to millions of. people that's insanity and it turns out. oh my God it's very addictive oh my God.

it caused a a massive opiate crisis that. didn't exist anywhere else in the world. the United States had this opioid crisis. that there it was unparalleled there was. nothing like it anywhere else in the. world and it was directly because of the. influence that these massive companies. had the amount of money they were. spreading around the revolving door. between the FDA and these pharmaceutical. drug companies and the repercussions on. millions of Americans who knows how many.

people died of overdoses who many who. knows how many families were wrecked how. many lives were lost just destroyed by. addiction from something that was. prescribed to them as being safe and. effective by. doctors yeah no it's it's insane I I I. know a few months ago the city of San. Francisco uh I believe won a lawsuit. against Walgreens for might have been. hundreds of millions I can check exactly. and in in the report in the uh Discovery.

for the lawsuit they were just talking. about the sheer number of doctors who. were found to be corruptly. prescribing it wasn't like one or two. doctors it was it was a number that was. so high that I that I remember thinking. I mean h how can how can a person that. reads this really trust their doctor. after reading this right yeah um we have. to have a good doctor unfortunately most. doctors are captured as well including.

researchers and that's one of the things. we did you read RFK Jr's book the real. Anthony fouchy yeah I did I did what did. you think of that book uh so my view of. that book is is that I don't I don't. jump. to RFK basically puts the worst possible. interpretation of everything fouchy did. kind of in the same way that Christopher. Hitchens did with Bill Clinton for. example when when Christopher hitch when.

when Bill Clinton bombed the alifa. factory in Sudan that was said to have. weapons turned out to have medicine. turned out to have no to. Al-Qaeda Hitchens wrote that he did this. to distract the public from the Monica. Lewinsky scandal now that's possible I. can't rule it out not saying it's. something he wouldn't do but without. direct evidence for it I my bar is that. I don't jump to the worst motives that's. not how I tend to think well I. appreciate that about you you are.

incredibly reasonable and objective in. that regard and that is that is. important and Hitchens in know he was. brilliant but he was also angry and he. he did like to throw rocks Mother Teresa. Henry Kissinger Gandhi yes he wasn't. factually wrong about any of his. journalism about them but he when. there's there's often just uncertainty. about why people do things and a certain.

type of person jumps to the the evil end. of the uncertainty I feel I'm kind of. more in the middle so fouchy made tons. did tons of horrible um public. statements later found to be false and. of course I think we all everyone would. admit now that he suppressed lab leak. for self-interested reasons him and him. and Francis Collins but I think RFK he. strings together every mistake and. assumes the worse end of that Spectrum.

which could be right but it's not. something I don't like making those. accusations. without like uh flaming gun evidence yes. and there's recent ones that people are. talking about now that this was from the. defense department and that this was. that Co was a bioweapon well you know a. bioweapon that accidentally got released. like do you have would that hold up in. court like do you have enough evidence. to say that publicly to and and is it.

irresponsible to say that publicly cuz. what look my take on it from a clearly. obviously a non-scientist is if I was a. researcher and my education was in. viruses and specifically Corona viruses. I would be looking to do research on. Corona viruses and gain of function. research is one way whether it's. dangerous or not in the Obama. Administration Obama out he stopped it. in 2014 right yeah it's sketchy work cuz.

what you're doing is you're making. viruses worse but are you doing it. specifically to release them on people. or are you doing it to understand the. viruses I think scientists do stuff. because it's super cool to them yeah. there's a lot of that put yourself in. the mindset of a scientist they love. this right like this is their whole life. right if you tell them there's some new. cool thing we can now make viruses work. we can insert specific yes strings of. code into viruses that make them uh you.

know easily um acquired by humanized. mice I mean this is like this this is. like giving a kid Legos right yes so. they they don't have a bad bone in their. body but if it can be done they will do. it because it's cool and they will. justify it to get funding they have to. justify it in terms of a public health. rationale the truth is they're nerds and. they want to do it because it's cool and. I don't blame them but the government's. responsibility is to say that is over. the line that is likely to leak given. how common lab leaks are we cannot be.

intentionally making viruses more deadly. have you ever been to one of those labs. I've been in a bsl3 lab I've been in a. lab of the same security as the one in. Wuhan I went to and I had no clearance. to be in there by the way I had no. clearance to be in there how'd you get. in there girl I was dating at the time. was working in there she wanted to show. me the M my God that's so crazy at. Columbia University but this goes to. show you this is why when I read that. they were tweaking with Corona viruses.

in a bsl3 lab oh bsl3 is very must be. very high security I was like no no I. just walked into one like a few weeks. ago with your girlfriend yeah cuz she. cuz no look no lab every lab is as. secure as the people that work there. it's just people it's human being and. they get tired if you're you got on two. hours of sleep you forget to put your. gloves on today it's like that's the. story of every horror movie right it's a. story of like what is that 28 Days Later. they're working on. oh you don't no I can't handle. them 28 Days Later is an amazing one.

it's the best zombie movie of all time. and it's it's a lab leak it turns people. into these ferocious things which by the. way happens in nature what do you think. rabies is like what is rabies rabies is. a disease that affects animals that. makes them fearless and aggressive and. makes them want to transmit that disease. to you by biting you and if you give it. to human beings it's like 100 100% fatal. or 99% fatal unless you take care of it.

like within a certain time period and. with animals it's fatal and you know. they have to get rabies shots it's one e. one excellent example of how vaccines. have really helped people vaccines have. helped human beings avoid getting. [ __ ] rabies you know rabies is scary. rabies is essentially a real zombie. virus cuz it turns ever seing an animal. that has rabies they they they just have. no fear of you they just want to come. after you and bite you like a [ __ ]. zombie so it's like if I was a guy who.

is researching rabies I would go how how. do we make this even. crazier how do we turn this into someone. who like no longer needs oxygen and can. just [ __ ] exist in a zombie State you. don't need blood pumping through your. muscles anymore now this parasite has. taken over your body which exist with. Corps mushrooms have you ever seen that. no Corps mushrooms infect ants and they. get into the ant's body and ants.

recognize this and know that this thing. is going to grow mushrooms so the ants. carry this other ant out of town they. get him the [ __ ] out of town so before. the cp's mushrooms blow and the spores. spray through the air and infect all the. other ants these ants recognize oh this. motherfucker's got it we got to get them. out of here and they'll carry him way. the [ __ ] out of town like there's some. sort of memory or some knowledge your. understanding of the danger of this. specific fungus that's growing on this.

dead ant they're we got to get him the. [ __ ] out of here evolution is amazing. it's amazing there's another one where. there's an aquatic worm that grows. inside Grasshoppers and convinces the. grasshopper to commits suicide it. rewires the grasshopper's mind and. commit commits it to jumping into water. so that it can be born so it comes out. of the body of this grasshopper that's. drowning and and begins its life dude. there's a ton of those there's another.

one called. toxoplasmosis the reason why they tell. women to stop T you can't touch cat. litter because some insane amount of. feral cats have toxoplasmosis like. probably all of them speaking of. grasshoppers I know for most of my life. I didn't know that Grasshoppers and. locusts were the same thing I didn't. either until a few years ago when we. were looking at swarms yeah like uh what. they call it when when the the Great. Plains when that was happening like when. people lost all their crops and MH it's. like a numbers thing right or hor some. hormonal switch they get into some mode.

yeah well that exists in mammals too man. it exists in pigs with pigs when they. let a pig loose like you see a cute. little pig that you you know you see oh. he's so sweet you let that [ __ ]. lose he will become a wild boar and it. it happens quickly I believe it happens. the the the metamorphosis starts to take. place within like six weeks or something. see if you can find that but what. happens is the a body sends a signal to. the or the mind says a signal to the. body or some some the system knows that.

you're on your own now [ __ ] so. your whole body changes your snout. extends the males grow tusks they get. furry thicker hair they literally become. a wild boar we I used to think a wild. boar was a different thing no it's the. same thing wow it's one genus it's suraa. it's one specific animal if you. domesticate it it it it's CED and it's. babe it's the pig if you don't it's this. [ __ ] plague of mammals that can have.

three lit a year starts having a litter. when it's 6 months old within a couple. years they're 200 lbs and they eat. constantly and all they do is eat and. [ __ ] and make more pigs and they're. smart wow yeah. wow like so we know. that we know these things are [ __ ]. dangerous and if we're monkeying around. with nature but also we know that there. have been medical interventions there.

been there's been Medical Technology. there's been research done that's. enhanced people's lives saved people's. lives rescued people from Fatal diseases. and to cast light on the entire. pharmaceutical industry that it's like. this horrible monster of a thing that's. destroying lives no no no no no no no. what it is is a bunch of people that. like you're saying scientists who figure. things out because it's cool and they. get married to people who just want to. make money and so there's stock market.

psychos and there's a lot of psychos out. there and the psychos say okay we got. this thing and we're making X but I. think we can get to Z we just got to get. this guy to say this and this regulation. to pass and then we're in Z and this guy. is thinking himself doing coke off a. stripper's ass on a yacht that's what. he's thinking of he's not thinking of. saving the world but the scientists that. are making all these stuff they're just. [ __ ] scientist and part of the. problem with getting the money attached.

to the regulatory body and attached to. the scientist is cuz then there's. someone who dos out the funding and. maybe that guy is connected to the money. side and maybe that guy was actually a. doctor and now you've got this crazy. situation where these doctors can't even. tell the truth that scientists can't. tell the truth they can't talk openly. about the the reservations that they. have about some of these specific types. of research that they're doing like hey. should we be doing this they can't say. anything they can't because connected to. the and if they get ostracized from that. system they're [ __ ] their career is.

[ __ ] there's no recourse they don't. have anything to fall back on so we've. got a system much like our governmental. system we've much like our media that's. captured by money it's not that the. journalists are bad people it's just. that's the [ __ ] game they're playing. that's the game they're playing well I. think the the journalists most of the. journalists I know aren't necessarily. captured themselves by money but they. may be captured by ideology and group. think yes there's a lot of that I'm sure.

yeah um but so for example on the money. end I was uh I was astounded that it was. not widely reported and that you have to. get to someone like RFK junr to tell you. this that the niid had a financial stake. in the Mna vaccine in other words how. much money did they make off of it uh. one of the payments was like several. hundred million doar that was one L. that's not enough to affect the way. people think that's not no that's not. enough to affect the way I'm.

kidding I couldn't tell I couldn't tell. them I'm sorry like what the [ __ ] I. couldn't help myself it's just so crazy. hundreds Milli was like 400 million. that's not that much that's not that. much that's just you know it's just a. little taste right so when I see the. director of the niid Anthony fouchi. former former director talk about the. Mna vaccine should as a journalist. should my default be to trust everything. he says because he's the government or. should I say he may be conflicted let's.

let's do what great journalism does and. pressure test everything he says yeah. demand the documents on everything he. says and what he says may may turn out. to be right I don't assume it's wrong. right but but that should be the job of. mainstream journalists is to pressure. test everything when you don't do it my. point is it's left to the RFK Juniors of. the world who end up getting certain. things very wrong because they're one. person it's not what they do and and so.

for example there was there were like I. told you I was really going through all. the claims in RFK Jr's book because some. of them are just Inc insane turn out to. be true some of them are insane turn out. not to be true what did you find that. wasn't true so for example he said that. he cited a study he said that the uh the. diptheria uh the dtp vaccine in the. 1970s hurt or killed one out of 300. kids so I clicked on the study I read. every single sentence of the study twice.

down there was nothing in there that. said one one in 300 what was the data. that they gave it didn't it it didn't. even give a clear number and the numbers. you could piece together were orders of. magnitude smaller than that and I was I. was surprised to find that is that due. to a lack of data like is like there's. an assumption that the ve system is. grossly under reported correct yeah yeah. there's a but you know yes is that an.

assumption is that proven is that I. think so I think that that I think that. checks out but with this claim he was. citing a specific study and he put it. right there and it just wasn't in the. study right right so you have to the. actual data that's in a study right so. if you're saying a study showed that or. if you're just saying if you're just. saying the number and not saying where. you're getting this information then. it's every single one of his claims this. is why I thought it was such a copout. that that guy you were in a little.

Twitter spat with oh Peter hotz yeah. Peter hotz if you if you're an expert on. this and you have this guy that you're. saying total misinformation yeah he's. got every single one of the claims he. made on your show in one of his books. with a footnote Peter hotz if this is. his job and this is important to him. should absolutely spend the time what. could be more important right if you're. saying that I'm an expert in this and. this guy is dangerous for the world you. can't then say well I don't have time to.

go in his book and click on every. footnote and show showing receipts for. why he's wrong about everything that was. a total cop out of him to say oh this is. not worth my time you can't debate a. conspiracy theorist I don't think any of. that is true well I think he's very. anxious and you know let me tell you my. history with Peter hotz CU I met Peter. hotz in like. 2012 I had him on an episode of Joe. Rogan questions everything and we were. talking about viruses and I found him to.

be a really fascinating very intelligent. man who's dedicated his life to trying. to help people specifically of tropical. diseases because there's a real issue in. tropical disease he was telling me that. people that live in tropical climates. like the vast majority of them have some. kind of. parasites you know which is just you. know and and what he wanted to talk. about was that I think when Co came.

along there was this psychological angst. that was overwhelming even to people. that are fairly good at keeping their. [ __ ] together like I think of myself as. someone who's pretty good at keeping my. [ __ ] together I don't freak out too much. about things and so with Co I was like. all right well I guess this is a real. thing and we're going to have to you. know hole up in the house for a while. and two weeks the flatten the curve and. make sure we have food and power he. start thinking about things like okay if.

I needed to get food for my if I needed. to get out of here how much gas do I. need like there's a real there's a real. air there's a feeling in the air where. like okay we're in an unprecedented. state of the unknown and chaos and this. could get worse like this virus could. mutate into something that's just. killing everybody MH um there that level. of anxiety prompts people to look for. solutions that are very binary and it. prompts people to dig their heels into.

what their decision is to do this like. should we go into the basement in the. horror movie or should we get the [ __ ]. out of here I think we should get the. [ __ ] out of here let's go in the we've. got to go in the basement we've got to. go in the basement there's these. decisions that people make in these. traumatic situations like do we hide do. we run what do we do and when they have. a decision that they've made like the. decision there's only one decision this. decision is this we have to take this. one vaccine that's the only thing that. we could do and everybody starts.

thinking okay well we find we have a. solution and everybody that's opposed to. that you're [ __ ] it up you're [ __ ]. it up for everybody and I think that was. the feeling in the air and I certainly. felt that when I when CNN was saying I. was taking horsey wormer like when I was. being attacked for taking out when I. said that I was taking monal antibodies. and IV vitamins all these other things. too I was just saying this is what I. took and now I'm better thank you I got. to my shows that's all it was MH it. wasn't some political declaration or. some anti antivaccine it was just there.

was a reality of what I took I told. everybody what I took but there's this. feeling from everybody you're [ __ ]. this up you're going to make sure people. don't do it because people wanted to. believe that there was a way out of this. that was very binary very simple this. this is the this is our solution. everybody get on board everybody who's. not on board is ruining it for the world. and you saw the [ __ ] cruel way people. would talk people who think of. themselves as compassionate Progressive.

people right progressives left-wing. people would would wrot the worst thing. about unvaccinated people dying because. they didn't trust pharmaceutical drug. companies that are captured by money and. the media that is captured by them and. their money and the regulatory the fact. that people were just unwilling to look. at the big picture because they wanted. that [ __ ] solution and I think when. you're a person who's on the side of. that solution and you're genuinely doing.

work to try to solve real problems that. people have with parasites and diseases. and all these different things and then. you're getting attacked and then and. then it turns out that man maybe a lot. of the [ __ ] you said wasn't right now. you're kind of stuck because you don't. want to debate this because even though. you probably did it for all the right. reasons you look at the actual. Effectiveness and whether or not it. actually did what it was was promised to. to do it didn't do any of those things. and it it did certainly cause some. adverse problems in people that may or.

may not have had any problem with Co. they might have gotten over it quickly. like I did so now you're [ __ ] now. you're [ __ ] and now you're in this. situation where you kind of have to. defend it all the time and to go on a. debate and talk about that would you. would you would be so filled with. anxiety because it it it brings us back. to what this the decisions that people. make during Tri times of extreme crisis. we always want to think that the the. evil things that people have done in the.

past false flag events and all these. different things that people have done. in the past in order to start wars so. that they can make more money we want to. think that that stops like oh we don't. do that anymore we don't do that anymore. it's a childlike impulse that I. personally experienced when I was a. young boy when I was a young boy we were. living in San Francisco and my mom and. my stepdad were hippies and we lived in. this like very Progressive very like. hippie area and when the Vietnam War.

ended everybody was so happy and there. was this feeling and I said to myself. remember saying oh this is so good. there's not going to be any wars they. figured out the wars are bad I remember. thinking this when I guess I was like 10. or 11 or something like that going okay. there's no more war thank God like. because I don't want to go to war end. end of History fallacy yeah my stepdad. he he didn't get drafted he got lucky. but I knew people that went and I knew. people that went and came back and they. were [ __ ] up and I was terrified as a.

a young boy terrified of being forced to. go to war because that was the reality. of the time and you think that well that. doesn't happen anymore you know that all. that you know golf of tonen [ __ ] and all. the that they don't do that anymore they. don't do that anymore they don't do that. anymore that's like people figured that. out they don't so have you been paying. attention to Israel I have been paying. attention yeah yeah yeah I have to how. could you not be yeah it's terrifying. it's very terrifying it's very very.

scary stuff what is your view on. it I wish I. knew well first of all I wish I knew how. they didn't know that those people were. going to do that CU I don't want to talk. about intelligence because I I don't. know what I'm talking about so if I. start saying that the you know the the. government like that they would have had. the capability to make sure that none of. those things place and that they had. infiltrated these organizations and they. did get accurate information from that.

they. were I don't I have that would just be. complete armchair speculation from. someone who's not I can give you what. the leading theory is of how the hell. this happened okay please do right now. uh the the the belief is that and I. think we'll know more about this in a. few years that a few things happen all. at the same time is a perfect storm. first Hamas has been planning this. attack for 2 years and uh one of the. leaders of Hamas actually said that.

they've been strategically lulling. Israel to sleep by making it seem like. they're no longer interested in a. conflict the past two years and Israel. even just a week before the attack. allowed more uh gazin to come over the. border and work in Israel as basically a. a reward for good behavior right they. thought Hamas has gone into this mode. where they're more concerned about the. economics of the Gaza Strip than about. attacking Israel so Israel was asleep at.

the wheel Israel also had transferred a. lot of IDF that would normally be at the. Gaza border to the West Bank it was also. the Sabbath it was also a major. holiday it was it's also they they've. had the biggest protests in in a. generation almost the same way America. was during 2020 Israel has been for the. past several months over there their. judicial reform so you put it all. together can you can you go into that a.

little bit please yeah so basically the. judicial reform in Israel Israel is not. like the United States they don't have a. constitution they don't have this kind. of really beautiful genius system of. checks and balances that we have where. you know president can V to the Congress. and the Supreme Court has a check on. everyone right and everyone keeps each. other in check Israel just has a single. Parliament they call the knesset a prime. minister that has a lot of control over.

that Parliament because he leads the. majority Coalition so basically in. Israel the president and their Congress. have a lot more power than in America. historically the Supreme Court doesn't. have the power to say no to them but. over the past 30 years the Supreme Court. has been basically grabbing more power. for for itself under these things called. basic laws where they can now say to the. knesset no you cannot uh Implement that. policy in the West Bank it violates.

human rights they can they can be they. have more powers to check the majority. party and that's come to a head now. because the Supreme Court is perceived. as left-wing and sympathetic to the. Palestinians just like in America right. now the P Supreme Court is perceived as. right-wing and the uh. Benjamin Netanyahu is obviously lud he's. the right-wing party and he's gone into. Coalition with these Ultra kind of.

right-wing. religious um and and so it's come to a. head where basically the right in Israel. feels the Supreme Court is just. expanding its own power and is. anti-democratic and now they want to. judicial reform is basically stripping. the Supreme Court of the power it's. grabbed for itself over the past 30. years now the left in Israel views the. Supreme Court as the only protection. against human rights violations and. violations of minority rights so the.

left is feels the Supreme Court is a. great defender of Israeli human rights. and the right feels that the Supreme. Court is an undemocratic institution. that's been expanding its own power for. 30 years and now needs to be reigned in. so that the majority can govern that's. torn apart the country it it's. absolutely the number one issue every. day protest all over Israel so you put. all this together with Hamas uh backed. by Iran and you and you you also throw.

in the fact that Israel and Saudi Arabia. are on the verge of a peace deal which. is huge it it would be the biggest news. in the Middle East in in a very long. time if Israel and Saudi Arabia made. peace it would basically put um kind of. the the death nail in the coffin for for. Hamas because Saudi Arabia is the. biggest hold out now in terms of who has. not made peace with Israel so Hamas from. the point of view of Hamas and Iran they.

think this is a this is a last. chance kind of we have to attack Now. kill this deal or uh we're dead forever. and they plann this thing meticulously. for for two years intentionally lulling. the Israelis to sleep and um they they. have brilliant success much more success. than they expected to now some people. have said it's an inside job I don't. believe it is I think if it is we'll. know that from reporting um that comes.

out in the next two years but at this. point I believe the theory that it was. an incredibly successful attack by Hamas. and a perfect storm well that all. connects and makes sense if that's the. case what's terrifying is it doesn't. seem what what's always terrified me. about the Middle East is that there. doesn't seem to be a clear way to. resolve this I mean if Saudi Arabia and. Iran or rather Israel came to some sort. of an agreement and made peace and and.

were able to establish that long term. that'd be a great step in the right. direction but other than that like when. you look at what's happened now oh my. God the rhetoric from both sides it's. it's just didn't we learn anything from. World War II didn't we learn anything. from the Holocaust didn't we learn. anything from human beings ability. to other human beings to just turn them. into a thing that's not them dehumanize.

them and that there's this impulse to do. so that existed forever because when we. were tribal people that probably barely. had a language you had to be absolutely. terrified of marauding male tribes that. came over your border and wanted to kill. you and take your resources and steal. your women because that's what they did. and so we have this ability to look at. other human beings as an other and get. ruthless and horrifyingly violent.

because that was the only way for us to. survive for thousands of years so it's. ingrained in our system but it's it's. now it exists in the context of global. war and it and it exists in a time where. you can manipulate media and spread. false narratives and governments are. allowed to use propaganda they're. allowed to lie to people it's if it's. for the overall better good of the.

nation it's wild and and that's the root. of the issue the root of the issue is. how every human being sort of. reluctantly admits that there's almost. no way to stop all. wars right now if you if you had a magic. solution to stop all wars in the world. what would it be it doesn't exist that's. terrifying because the thing that we are. scared of the most is global.

thermonuclear war the thing that. everybody should be the most terrified. of that we get so stupid that we wipe. every human being off the face of the. planet and we're more than capable of. doing it some insane number of times. over and that they're playing with the. very first steps of that game they've. moved the First Pawn out onto the. chessboard of the global thermonuclear. war chess. game that is [ __ ] the world everybody.

every single nation that's involved in. any every conflict and every all these. people controlling resources over a. group of gigantic people with they're. their representative and they're saying. these people are the bad people and. they're saying you're the bad people. that's it's just like human beings have. always done it's like literally a part. of our system so I I agree with you that. we are built and hardwired. for deep levels of violence we. we those of us that have been lucky.

enough to live in Safety and Security we. may not realize the violence we're. capable of because we've never had to. survive right right but I do believe. that there is a difference you mentioned. the lessons of World War II right we. were capable of violence Hitler was. capable of violence but we were not the. same as Hitler right there was a an. imperative for us to defeat him at. almost any cost and we did horrible. things in that war but people understand.

that there was a good side and there was. an evil side yes now I don't know if you. or most of your listeners feel this way. about Israel but I do I think that in. this situation Israel is the good guy. and Hamas is the evil guy I think some. people feel Hamas is just um acting like. anyone would if you had taking their. land and their their freedom fighters. that go a little bit overboard I don't.

think that's what they are I think they. are a death cult that really believes. what they write in their Charter in the. late 80s that they want to annihilate. every single Jew in Israel and replace. it within Islamic State and eventually. have a state like Isis and that what. they did on October 7th with the you. know the barbaric. Slaughter that that's the point for them. that is what they want to do to all of.

Israel and the difference is that Israel. uh though though like the American Army. it's like there's been many excesses uh. much to. criticize if Israel wanted to annihilate. Hamas and the Palestinians the same way. Hamas wanted wants to annihilate Israel. Hamas would be gone and there would be. no Palestinians in Gaza we know that. Israel could obliterate them overnight. why don't they well for mixed reasons.

but because they don't want to they want. to live in peace fundamentally and so I. don't think the two sides are equivalent. here though they're both capable of that. that Universal among humans which is. cruelty I don't think these two sides. are the same I really think this is a. situation where there is a good guy and. a bad guy what Sol tion could possibly. be created that would somehow or another.

calm this down at this point after that. attack it's so horrifying but then the. response is horrifying too where who. knows how many civilians have. died in Gaza yeah so we're terrified of. both and then there's this. narrative that what was the thing with. the hospital oh yeah so this has been. going on the past 40 48 Hours basically. what happened what happened is the. entire media the the Gaza Health.

Ministry which is run by Hamas said that. Israel just bombed a hospital and killed. 500 people the entire media ran with. this story New York Times BBC everyone. said 500 killed an Israeli air strike on. hospital and obviously this is monstrous. if so right this is why would Israel. bomb a hospital Israel is no known to. have at least a policy of not bombing. hospitals. because Israel feels that it wants to.

generally respect what a war crime is. right that's the policy at least so this. this went. viral uh then it turned. out actually most likely it it actually. turned out 100% the hospital wasn't. bombed it was the parking lot next to. the hospital so that was the first in. inaccuracy in the story then it turned. out it's very very unlikely to be in. Israeli air strike and was almost. certainly not a Hamas rocket but a. Palestinian Islamic Jihad this is the.

other Palestinian terror group in Gaza. they launched a bunch of rockets one of. them was a dud and landed in the. hospital parking lot and uh and this is. on video Al jazer showed the video by. accident uh and and that's how it that's. how it's part of How It's been confirmed. what do you mean by accident so they. were they were showing this in real time. I think it happened at like 659 exactly. it's either 649 or 659 they were showing. live footage of or or footage they had.

they had just taken of of a bunch of. rockets leaving the Gaza Strip to go to. Israel and one of the Rockets you could. see it was it was screwy it kind of blew. up and then you see a big explosion in. Gaza right at that time turns out that's. the exact time the hospital allegedly. blew up so that's how they knew it was a. rocket from inside an accidental rocket. from inside Gaza rather than the. Israelis air striking.

it so then all the New York Times BBC. they all started slowly changing their. headlines to from 500 killed an Israeli. air strike to 500 killed in Blast to you. know at this point they may be saying. parking lot next to hospital killed only. 50 to 100 people this is still an. evolving story and we're talking on on. Thursday. so by the time it didn't actually hit. the hospital itself it hit the parking. lot nextest to the hospital and did. damage to the hospital the latest is.

that it the hospital still standing and. it was only the parking lot next to the. hospital and all a bunch of cars may. have exploded as well so that's the. latest cuz they have pictures now the. next day they took pictures in the. hospitals there I thought they had. photos of the hospital that was bombed. out the New York Times when they. reported it first they showed a picture. of a different place in Gaza that was. destroyed by an Israeli air strike not. the. hospital oh my God yeah so this is uh.

this is now you know I think there's. emerging consensus that it was a parking. lot probably not 500 people probably. more like 50 or 100 which is again. tragic every life is tragic but that. basically the Legacy Media took hamas's. word as as fact and then has had to. backpedal did you see the Babylon bees. uh joke about that what did they say see.

see if you can find it Babylon be's I. can't still can't say x x page yeah I. know I'm right at that point where I'm. transitioning to saying X without saying. former Twitter I just keep saying. Twitter it's Twitter you know sorry Elon. he really has an obsession with X also. it's like are you sending an X or you. sending a tweet you know everyone says. he tweeted you don't say he xed. it just doesn't sound right yeah it. doesn't make sense but he can do. whatever the [ __ ] he wants yeah that's. true so what what was the Babylon bees.

about what the Babylon bees had a funny. thing about the New York Times and Hamas. uh there's a something from two hours. ago but I don't know I saw it on my. Instagram earlier today when I was. embarrassed to be looking at my. Instagram why embarrassed I'm tired of. it I just I I get stop being connected. my new phone has no uh apps on it oh. yeah yeah yeah New York Times patiently. awaiting Zoom call from Hamas to see. what they should print today yeah so. this is this is about the hospital yeah.

that is the Babylon B thank God they. exist cuz like they they disprove the. idea that it's only left-wing people. that are funny yeah that is not true The. Babylon B is they out onion the onion. often they're amazing better than the. onion used to be great still is good. they still knock it out of the park. every now and again but you know they're. you know young Progressive liberals. constrained by a certain ideology that. doesn't allow them to poke fun at.

certain things you know how much fun. they could have like the trans issue. they can't touch it they can't touch it. yeah Rachel l v they can't touch it. leave it alone get out of there it's too. hot but you asked you asked earlier what. is the solution to this. yes look I mean we're not going to solve. the Middle East here but if if I'm. Israel right. now I I'm I'm thinking we have to. destroy Hamas the same way when we were. B bombed during Pearl Harbor nobody.

thought well what's the Diplomatic. solution to Japan we thought these. people want to destroy us we have to. destroy them right there there are some. situations that can be resolved at the. negotiating table but there are others. that have to be resolved through War. because one side is committed to the. destruction of the other and it can only. you can only get to the negotiating. table when you. when you've uh when you've retaliated. militarily you know yeah that's.

terrifying that's a terrifying thought. um what do you think of all like what. was the latest Pro Hamas or Pro. Palestine protest there's been so many. of them yeah all over they had to shut. down Columbia University my Al Mo um. there's been a lot of them yeah what is. their what are they saying like what is. their main perspective on this their. main perspective is that Israelis are.

colonizers in the Middle. East uh that that Israelis are not the. indigenous people it's settler Colonial. colonialism and that resistance is. Justified and that we ought to side with. the resistance we ought to side with the. resistance even when they go overboard. that's their basic perspective overboard. that is a crazy way to. justify shoo paratrooping into a rave. and just murdering people yeah execution.

style and it's and rape and murder and. torture and killing kids and explosions. and I was reading about these parents. were trying to find their son they were. hoping their son was still alive but. that he had gotten his arm shot off by a. machine gun he was in a a bunker and. then he was captured he was in some sort. of a bomb shelter and he captured him. and they have no idea where he is they. hope he's okay yeah like this just the. horrific idea that some peaceful. civilian can just be targeted.

like you know like you would shoot a. monster you know not even not even an. animal you you shoot an animal eat it. it's like a monster like just gun that. monster down leave it where it is it's. so scary that people are still willing. to do things like. that but it is real that's what's we. have to all. understand like you can have these. utopian perspectives of how you think. the world should be and I I side with a.

lot of what they think about the. inequality of the world I just have. different solutions than them you my. solution is not redistribution of wealth. my solution is figure out what's wrong. with communities and rebuild them the. fact that we have these impoverished. communities and we've never spent any. like real engineering and money to try. to solve these crisises that have led to. so many people coming out of these. places and just being [ __ ] from the. jump and having no examples of people. living good lives no examples of people.

that are involved in crime and just. being swarmed by negativity and bad. influences constantly and the fact that. we expect these people to rise past that. is complete and total insanity I agree. and almost always perpetrated by people. that just like you were talking about. people that have experienced peace most. their life they have no idea that. violence is inside of them or what. violence really is it's the same sort of. thing it's people that grew up where. they really never had to worry about. money you know maybe they weren't rich. but they weren't starving to death they. they didn't have to worry about someone.

shooting them every day or killing their. parents when they were on the way home. from working or whatever the [ __ ] the. problem was but for a large percentage. of what we supposedly think of as a. community which is the United States we. should think of ourselves as a big. Community we've ignored people that are. [ __ ] it's like there's there's places. that are just [ __ ] and we have to do. something to fix that if you don't do. something to fix that you're going to. keep this disparity you're going to keep. this problem and the problem is far more.

it's it's more Sol solvable than so many. other things that we try to tackle like. we're trying to figure out how to cool. the Earth down like like that's great. too but let's [ __ ] figure out how to. make the country a better. place instead of just like just saying. the rich people are the problem instead. of is there's a lot of problem with rich. people there's a lot of problems with. influence there's a lot of problems with. people that have the ability to change. laws and people that have the ability to. sell you things that they know will kill.

you they know you're going to kill a. certain number of you and they can still. sell them to you they could just say hey. we we some some may believe it's not. addictive right yay and then they cut it. Loose well here's the thing you know. people like to throw money at an every. problem yes but they don't love to see. how the money is being spent so for for. example I we could use Hamas as the. example so much money has been thrown at. the Gaza Strip and they use it instead.

of to build buildings and build water. pipes they dig up the water pipes and. build Rockets to to go to Israel right. but you could also you can make use the. water pipes as Rockets yeah they they. they make pipes into Rockets no way yeah. yeah there's a they have a video of one. of their own propaganda videos where. they show themselves doing this. um and billions of dollars has been. billions has been thrown by by by Europe. by America at helping the gazin uh.

because they are living in conditions. that are indescribably horrible just it. third world doesn't even justify how how. gazin are living but they're living. under a uh a terrorist party that. actually doesn't care whether they live. or die because any Palestinian that dies. from an Israeli air strike they go. straight to heaven according to to Hamas. so Hamas and they genuinely believe this. this is what I think people in the west.

they don't remember what it's like to. truly believe in religion because right. the the West has been pretty much. secularized at this point outside of. some Pockets people that still believe. in religion really believe it yeah like. during the Iran Iraq war the Iranians. they would send 13-year-old 12-year-old. boys over to be Canon fodder they would. throw him them at Saddam Hussein and. they would give them a a key around. their. necks to get them into.

heaven and the boys believed. it it it's you you have to realize that. people really believe these kinds of. things and you can't so many people. analyze the situation without putting. themselves really in the shoes of a True. Believer yeah that's a very very. important point and in this country when. we connect when we start talking about. True Believers we really talk about the. negative ones we we talk about like. Westboro Baptist Church type stuff we.

talk about uh you know the the worst. aspects of cult-like behavior that comes. from some organized religions and. fanatical organized. religions so intelligent people in this. country you know I mean there was the. big atheist movement that existed for. quite a while it seems to have kind of. like they've kind of ipated into. something else you know I notic that. yeah but that movement of this this. rejection of organized religion and the.

sort of because the atmosphere that most. of these academics exist in most media. people exist in and most people that. live in big cities exist in is that. there's a sort of kind. of wholesale. dismissiveness that's attached to. organized religion there is and um so. because that they don't have the Contex. much like people that have never. experienced violence don't have the. context of violence when I see people. talking about you openly advocating for.

military interventions things like who. you are you going to go do it you want. to go risk your face getting shot off. because of information that may or may. not be [ __ ] you who's going to go oh. you want people other than you to go and. represent what you think of is the good. thing because you don't know these. people and if they die it it doesn't. feel like anything to you mhm but those. people have families and those people. have children and and. there's got to be a way that we minimize.

the amount of violence in the world. specifically the amount of violence that. doesn't make any sense and this kind of. violence doesn't make any sense it's. [ __ ]. terrifying and uh if you have True. Believers that don't think it's. terrifying and and think it makes total. sense and you don't realize that people. like that exist in the world that that. is a real thing that's always been a. real that was the Nazis that is a real. thing it's also most of human history to. your point yes most of did g was gangas.

KH afraid of violence did he ever. consider that violence was so if if. you're dealing with someone who comes or. a group of people that a basically a. cult that that uh perpetuates that kind. of mindset that raises people you know. the older brother raises his younger. brother to believe that from day one. right yeah you can't address that that. like we would want to. address I don't know if we had some. dispute with Britain nowadays there's. also this solidarity in this this.

there's a community aspect that can't be. ignored where people want to be a part. of something big MH and when you. connect a person who might have very. dire circumstances otherwise like the. the world around them is very Bleak but. you connect them to this group of people. that are also committed to. this Quest that they believe is. righteous and in God's will that God.

wants this to take place and that this. is their this is their directive on. Earth you can talk people into things. man you know we've all seen Wild Wild. Country we've all seen documentaries on. Cults human beings are extremely. malleable I mean it's not it's not like. all the people that move to the cities. just to decided to move there because. they're Democrats like I'm a Democrat. I'm going to move to where the other. Democrats are and find my people that's.

not what's going on there's a a hive. mind aspect to human beings that just. can't be ignored because we don't want. to be ostracized socially we don't want. to be we don't want to be kicked out of. the tribe so we're terrified of stepping. out of line and so when you are in the a. terrible situation you're much more. likely to believe that someone put you. there you're much more likely to believe. that there's an oppressor you're much. more likely to believe that that that. person's taking from you and if that's.

what you're told from the time you were. young and you're you're told that the. solution is to become a martyr and. you're going to get to go to heaven you. can talk people into that with no. options oh yeah it's not it is real it's. a real thing and I don't know how to. re-engineer that I I don't know how to. solve that already been down that path I. think most of the solutions have been. missed I think that's the hard truth.

that you know the the land was. partitioned between an Israel and. Palestinian state in. 1947 the Palestinians rejected the. partition and that was and attacked and. that was the war of. independence um that was an opportunity. for a solution There's an opportunity. when it was occupied by Jordan and Egypt. for them to create a Palestinian state. but it wasn't in their interest so they. didn't do it there was an opportunity in. 2000 was the closest opportunity when.

yaser Arafat um and ahud Barack met at. Camp D Camp David with Clinton um and an. Arafat walked away and the difference. between now and then is that Israeli. Society is now moving more and more to. the right and what that means in Israel. is less and less are they seeking. a two-state solution compared to 2000 or. 2008 when two-state Solutions were. offered so and and part of the reason.

Israeli Society is moving to the right. is because the ultra Orthodox or what we. call hidic often in in America that we. in New York we we they have communities. in Brooklyn they have you know they have. six kids per family something like that. and so they started out as a tiny. minority in Israel 75 years ago and now. a third a third of kids under a certain. age might be 18 are Ultra Orthodox and.

they have more right-wing views they're. generally more Pro settling the West. Bank anti-2 State Solutions so I I fear. that the that the Palestinian side. rejected the only options the only times. that they were offered a state and that. those offers are not going to be forth. coming again in the future because of. how Israeli Society is. changing and so it it's a very Grim. situation because it seems like it it it.

there's no solution no solution that. does not involve horrible. Bloodshed and there's Horrors from both. sides that's another thing that people. need to look at they they need to stop. this idea that there's good guys and bad. guys cuz there's there's things that. people do. when the other side is the enemy that. are absolutely horrific on both sides. it's always been the case it's it's.

natural it's it's not like everyone on. side a is pure and everyone's no they're. all humans and when you're dealing with. a group of people that want you dead and. you want them dead they do horrible. things like Abby Martin who was on my. podcast talked about her experience. going back and forth from Israel to. Palestine how scary it was talking to. people that were have been shot by. soldiers and people the people shot in. the dick on purpose and crazy [ __ ] like.

that's real too that's real too you mean. from the Palestinian side no Israeli. side doing it to pales oh yeah no that's. what I mean yes yes absolutely that's. real too yeah so it's you know. Israelis are human beings just like all. human beings and human beings have good. ones and bad ones and they have people. that do horrible things in horrible. times mhm I. mean there was a guy. once God I forget the story I think he.

was he was running for some office and. they labeled him as like a war hero and. he was kind of running with it and then. I believe he dropped out and then just. started admitting the horrific things. that he had to do during Vietnam and I. think it. involved I don't even want to say see if. you do you know that story. Jamie I forget exactly what he said so I.

want to keep going no but I totally. agree with you like every Army that's. ever waged War had done horri has done. horrible things and they not that they. all do the same extent of horrible. things some are really worse than others. but none are none are Saints I don't. think there's ever been an army that. just truly behaved like a saint no down. to the last man it's it's not it's not. real it's not POS that I think that is. to your point the a fantasy standard.

that Outsiders who've never had to get. their hands dirty to survive um you know. but obviously it's a standard we should. ideally want to hold people to we should. encourage the world's armies to behave. better uh but but we if a country is. going to wage a just War if you're going. to say you have the right to rage war in. this situation I don't think that can be. revoked the second you find a soldier.

that does something horrible right. because by that logic we could not wage. World War II right that's important to. talk about and that's going to happen. Israeli soldiers are going to do the the. worst stories I think are yet to. come and we can have sympathy for the. Palestinians without saying that Israel. has no right to. retaliate that's my point of view on it. at least well that's a balanced. perspective and you know I I wish I knew.

more about the history. of that conflict to see there's any way. that they could change the way they. interact with each other but I just. don't and so it's just one of those. things where you just see it playing out. you feel so helpless it's made me so. anxious sometimes at nighttime I think. about Ukraine and Russia and I think. about what's going on right now with. Israel and Palestine and I get so. terrified I get so terrified of the.

possibility of it just going off the. rails and then nukes being on the table. because I just I know we haven't used. one since 1945. but I feel like that is one of those. things when you look at history like the. invention of the bow and arrow the. invention of the adeladel oh was 2,000. years later how long before someone shot. someone with it did they wait a while. you know was it a few years like was it. a few months before someone shot someone. with an arrow once they first invented.

it just because it's been let's go to a. 100 years in overall history of human. beings 100 years ain't [ __ ] if you look. at the 1700s do you really think there's. a big differentiation between. 1720 and 1700 you know 90 or you is. there that much of a difference I bet. there's not I bet I bet if if someone. did something today with the nuclear. bomb history would look at it the same. way we look at every other thing that. takes place over a long periods of time.

oh then there was an invention of the. wheel and then x amount of years later. they put a [ __ ] gun on top of that. thing started mowing people down and. this is just just blips in time we're. just in the middle of it so we think. well mutually assured destruction is. what's kept us from dying. but has it or is are we just waiting are. we waiting for this [ __ ] stupid game. this chess game to reach a point where. it's Checkmate reach a point where.

someone flips the table over because. that's if you're dealing with people. that aren't afraid to die and you're. dealing with people that are willing to. kill everyone that opposes them because. they genuinely think they're doing the. will of God and they get a hold of a. nuke like if they're willing to kill. this is always I've always said this how. many people is it acceptable to kill in. one shot like if you say they bombed and. killed thousands well that number seems. to be reasonable for us we're like well.

thousands of people died in 9/11 too and. that sucks and that's really awful that. thousands of people are dying but if. someone dumps a nuke and it kills a. million people instantly is that more. horrific is it is to them it's to us it. scares the [ __ ] out of us because of. mutually assured destruction but is that. more horrific to someone who really. believes they're doing the right thing. if it's if it's okay to kill a thousand. people look if you're like Thanos right. this is why Thanos was such an amazing. villain is because you could see deep in.

his mind he felt he was a monk like a. monk for good and that he had to snap. half the universe out of existence to. save the world he's a True Believer he. wasn't just some guy that's you know. right well Eugenics when people talk. about Eugenics they like if you were not. a human being if you were raising like. an animal you wanted to do a very specif. specific task like dogs for instance you. don't let the ones that are [ __ ] up. breed right right so you could see how. someone who has no sense of humanity and.

no compassion for human beings that are. unfortunate you could see how they would. say well you got to kill them MH it's a. it's a a creepy scary conclusion to like. what what your problem Your solution is. but you could see how a sociopath or a. psychopath would go in that direction. well we're going to have bottom up. Eugenics very soon as opposed to top. down Eugenics being the government. deciding who gets to procreate and not. based on racist ideas or anything like.

that we're going to have very soon like. I think within the easily within the. next three. years. um you know you you and your wife with a. getting a bunch of embryos 15 or 20. embryos doing polygenic analysis on. those embryos and telling you which ones. are going to turn out taller which ones. are going to turn out smarter which ones. are going to turn out less likely to be. depressed if you have a history of. schizophrenia in your family we can tell.

you that correlates with this this set. of genes and this one's less likely so. you're scoring your own embryos which. people already do but now they just. score it based on what's the biggest. embryo which is is that what they do. yeah like they you you prefer the bigger. embryo cuz it's there may some. scientific reason why. heier or something what if it's like. that dude from men he was. big that might have be the way to go it.

might not be just bigger they have some. reason but they're going to get very. precise with it very soon because of. polygenic analysis well and then there's. crisper which you know they've already. used in China and you know they. supposedly jailed the scientists that. did it what they were saying they were. doing they were uh doing something with. a gene to make people uh impervious to. AIDS. but what what really was going on is. they were making them. smarter H yeah see you find that cuz I. know I butchered that if you're a.

scientist out there sorry so in China. they're doing this they did it they did. it they did it yeah wow and uh I believe. the international response was you know. people were pretty scared that this kind. of stuff is going on but here it is. China's crisper twins might have had. their brains inadvertently enhanced it. was a mistake guys we're just trying to. kill this thing that doesn't really kill. any people anymore uh new research. suggested a controversial Gene editing. experiment to make children resistant. not even immune resistant to HIV may.

have also enhanced their ability to. learn and form. memories yeah you don't think that's an. accident I'm sure it's on purpose but I. I would hope it's on purpose that sounds. like a sounds good great ACC yeah look. if you're a parent after your kid is. born you're going to. spend who knows how many thousands of. dollars if you send them to private. school you're you're going to send them. $20,000 a year for some fancy private. school to make them smarter and happier. but you wouldn't invest a little time at.

the beginning and effort at at the. beginning to make them smarter I mean. right especially if it only costs like a. couple hundred bucks or something like. that I get that one is icky and sci-fi. but if you remove that element of it and. just look at it for what it is if it's. reliable why would I not want to make my. kids smarter smarter people live longer. they're happier Etc that's pretty clear. in the data so is that clear in the data. that smarter people live longer I think. up to a point smarter people have but. you always hear about that guy I drank.

whiskey and smoke cigarettes and I'm 105. years old and I feel [ __ ] great those. guys exist too man what's up with those. guys I don't know they they just have I. don't know amazing other than their. brain but actually you know the there is. a I don't know if you've seen this that. one of the smartest guys in the world IQ. wise is like a crazy white. supremacist really yeah he has like a. 190 or something IQ wait a minute are.

you talking about that guy they did a. documentary on him back in the day the. smartest man in the world he was a. bouncer I don't I don't recall whether. he was a bouncer or not maybe let's make. sure that we're not talking about the. same guy because I don't want to. disparage this guy but this guy was they. did like a documentary on him like he's. he was like a [ __ ] up all through school. but he was just genius and got moved. around a bunch of times but you know. he's a big thick guy he looks like a. bouncer this guy man with the world's. highest IQ Christopher Langan is gaining.

a following on the far right so are you. saying that this guy is a white. supremacist that's what I was uh that's. what I read that's what you read where. though this is. 2019. so they've likened him to Alex Jones. with a thesaurus Langan now in his 60s. been a curiosity for nearly 25 years a. man who has clocked his own IQ some. somewhere north of 190 Albert Einstein. Einstein wasn't quite there apparently. who has mostly worked as a bouncer in a. bar never attained any significant.

professional roles or published any. serious academic work he's been the. subject of several profiles from Esquire. magazine to Malcolm Gladwell makes an. appearance in outliers uh the. documentarian Errol Morris even. interviewed Langan he's he an. interesting guy he's very intelligent. like when you hear him talk he's he's. obviously able to like. retained an incredible amount of. information in his brain but over the. years it says in this article but over. the years he has garnered a following. that overlaps considerably with fans of.

the farri internet content okay overlaps. doesn't mean he's far right right we. could agree to that he invys against the. academic establishment for not accepting. his papers about his proprietary Theory. of Everything he frequently touts his IQ. okay so he's got flaws inviting the. interest of alt-right readers okay what. does that mean inviting the interest of. altright readers just because people. read him I don't like sty of journ I. don't like this at all I I'd like them.

to just quote him exactly this is. horeshit um inviting the interest of all. but by the way I've read that about me. and writers who subscribe to the belief. that uh IQ is racially determined and a. sign of racial. superiority okay look what he's saying. though he's inviting the interest he's. not saying this it's saying he's. inviting the interest of people who. believe and writers who subscribed to. the belief that IQ is racially. determined and a sign of racial.

superiority it's not him saying that. it's saying that people who like him. think something [ __ ] up one of. langan's post an obituary uh for the. intelligent Guerilla Coco where in. Langan suggested that the US would do. better to admit African guerillas as. refuges than African people was praised. by the daily Stormer the Neo-Nazi blog. so what did he actually say though so. yeah this is you know I think as I get. older the more and more I suspicious I. am when they don't just quote right. because well that that usually if the.

quote is knock knock down evidence you. put the quote Yeah Jamie I don't think. you should click on that because I think. that's just the the people that believe. that IQ is racially. determined his story that way that's. okay I would just like to see what his. quote was I'll find it give me a second. because it seems like they would put. that quote in there if that quote was so. probably yeah it was such a problem why. don't you can't this is why at the end. of the day there's no substitute for.

just listening to the person the words. out of their mouth and making up your. own mind I don't know if that guy has a. one IQ but he's obviously very. intelligent when he talks about things. he's very smart he's also like a bouncer. like he's kind of a hard ass and he's. got an ego you know he knows he's smart. too I yeah I don't I don't like that. about people I don't it's uncomfortable. but sometimes people that go around. telling you their IQ it's like I know. it's kind of gross it's uh insufferable. it is but there's also people are. insufferable when they tell you about.

how well their business does or they're. insufferable when they tell you they. have a big dick whatever it is people. are insufferable but it doesn't. necessarily mean that they're stupid it. just means that they have flaws the. thing though is that smart people can. get things very wrong yes because not. all smart people are have a good. temperament to absorb evidence that. doesn't confirm their belief not all of. them are intellectually. honest so to me I think IQ is one thing.

but intellectual honesty. and general psychological mental. maturity emotional maturity two totally. different things yeah but isn't it. interesting how you even though you. didn't have the information we're saying. he was a white supremacist there you go. yeah so this is something that I I'm I. fall victim to this too it's like I I. shouldn't just repeat things that I read. in one article without having done the. um the primary source stuff I try not to.

but I catch myself doing it too but it's. also a function of it's part of this. thing that you just can't have all the. information you know you it's not. possible especially when you're talk. about all the events and all the things. in the world it's just you're going to. [ __ ] things up do you find anything. about that guy's quote I'm trying. there's a lot about him so I'm trying to. dig through that then I just like to see. the quote that he said about African. gorillas I don't think it's actually. quote it was saying he's got a Blog. where he talks about he's got long right. he writes he's got tons of writings he's.

substack this guy's been writing for a. long time that's why there's so many. profiles on himh there's uh videos. asking if he's completely made up if all. this is. [ __ ] um well I just think he doesn't. have the sort of. academic you know he doesn't have phds. and he's not accepted in you it's not so. even if he's really intelligent people. are going to dismiss him just because. he's not a part of that. system but I want to know what he said. that made them say that right me too.

because I don't like the way they were. framing all the things before that where. they saying that people who also believe. this like him he can't do that cuz how. many people like him like if if the. guy's got a substack that has 100,000. followers and you find a thousand white. supremacists that and you say some. people who like that believe that you. should be exterminated like come on like. you that's not him like you can't do. that like that's that's [ __ ] that's. not journalism that's you're you're.

pushing a narra how a lawyer in a. courtroom would Grill the other side. right it's it's it's it's that's not. journalism no it's not and it's it's. uncomfortable because this is something. that we all fall prey to and you just. openly admitted that you did you know I. have twoo I read a headline I'm just. like oh that's must be real yeah time. you get into this yeah I don't have any. time there's not enough time in the. world to research all the different. things that'll freak you out but you. were talking about just intelligence in.

general and the ability to manipulate. intelligence in embryos and uh I think. that this thing with China where you're. saying that um it's it's overall good to. increase a child's intelligence like who. would say that's not good like if you. would you rather your kid be dull-witted. like well this Billy could be dull or. what we can do with crisper is uh by a. significant margin increase his ability. to memorize things and and and you'd go. oh yeah what do I have to do it's really.

safe and effective we're just going to. do this little Gene. editing and then all of a sudden Billy's. a [ __ ] genius of course you would do. that and that's just the beginning. that's the beginning we're going to but. then what happens is they mess up oh. yeah once you know they make Billy they. make Billy stupid they make Billy Billy. maybe Billy's a psychopath Maybe. American Psycho he's really smart but. he's a [ __ ] evil person right and. there's some massive class action. lawsuit against one of the companies the. compan be immune they they be immune.

it's for the greater good of the human. race come on yeah they'll L Lobby. Congress to make it immune for 100% um. if they've done it with vaccines they. can do it with other things the. president's been set we'll see about. that we'll see about that somehow I. don't know they may these companies may. not have very much power at first they. may have nowhere near as much power as. as the pharmaceutical. well also what kind of regulations are. in place to prohibit this sort of. experimentation none so far that's not. good. yeah but it's not bad either I think.

it's just a function of human beings. creativity Innovation and this desire to. constantly make things better and we do. that with computers we do it with cars. and we do it with everything we do it. with solar panels we do it with [ __ ]. everything we're going to do it with us. MH but the thing is it's like we're. going to miss some things things like. there's there's beauty that comes out of. people's tortured experiences at how it. gets expressed in art and if you.

eliminate all the negativity of life. you're going to miss out on a lot of. things that bring us joy and. inspiration and that's what's that. that's the real conflict that's what's. [ __ ] how much you know when they every. time you have an. ecosystem that has a problem and they. introduce an invasive species into the. ecosystem to solve the problem every. time it gets [ __ ] unintended consequ. unended consequences are off the charts. Australia is a great example they.

brought in feral cats to deal with some. of their uh pest problems and now feral. cats was like decimated ground nesting. Birds they make everything extinct so. now they're trying to kill all the cats. right yes people hunt cats in Australia. so when you have like bow hunting. journals in America bow hun hunting. journals in America where like magazines. and stuff people hold up pictures of. like a white tailed deer that they're. going to eat you know it's like oh we. got Venice for dinner tonight and look.

at this beautiful buck that we. harvested in Australia they hold up some. of the magazines hold up dead cats too. like look we got rid of this. [ __ ] and it's a house cat and. you're like yo that's great that's like. for some people it's like a dog you know. the way I feel about my dog some people. feel that way about a cat and to see a. cat with a [ __ ] Arrow hole through. chest and the guy holding it up like I. did a good thing mate like that world. they [ __ ] that system up so badly that.

the cat is now the bad guy the cat is. not your little friend like he buddy. what's your bu your little friend no now. the cat's the bad guy and you can shoot. him and take pictures of him so it's the. question if we through genan editing get. rid of schizophrenia so yeah does that. also dial the clock down. on creativity in general a bit who yeah. who knows does a guy like Kanye get born. in such a world right right well he's a.

great example that whatever issues he. has I think he thinks now that he's. autistic I think that's what he's been. openly saying but whatever issues he has. that guy is a [ __ ] tornado of. creativity like his mind is when he. wanted to do the podcast okay one of the. things he wanted to do is make a set. that was a womb and we're going to do it. in there he goes uh he was like your. studio is ugly it's boring I forget what. he said he said would you allow me to. design your studio I go yeah do whatever.

the [ __ ] you want this is going to be. fun but Jamie got Co so it all got. thrown into a monkey wrench and we need. someone else to engineer it and so we. just did it in my little shitty Studio. but that guy is just always trying to. think about sustainable housing he's. trying to think about new forms of. currency he's designing clothes he's. writing [ __ ] songs constantly his. brain the same thing that makes him. blurt out things that are questionable. and you probably shouldn't have said it. that same brain is responsible for an.

insane amount of art I think that's. right yeah I think it's true of Elon too. and when when he was medicated like he. didn't like it like they they cut that. off like this superpower it's like. telling Superman like you have to wear a. Kryptonite. coat why I'm [ __ ] Superman I can. handle this the color just gets drained. from the world or something yeah there's. I mean probably something will come of. that we'll find out that I mean they. find he's been quiet for a while no I.

don't know I I haven't heard anything. about him I haven't paying attention. recently it's kind of crazy what what. did what did he actually eventually say. what was his his the big thing that he. said he said that he loves Hitler. because he loves everyone yes yeah and. and Alex Jones really tried to get him. gave him every opportunity to walk it. back and he's like oh so you're just. saying you like the Nazi uniforms you. like the aesthetic of Hitler he goes no. I love Hitler right he really just.

stepped right into it he he didn't take. any of the exit doors that Jones was. giving him well you got to understand. his personality too he's a guy that does. not like being told what not to do. that's right right when Obama called him. a jackass he immediately started. supporting Trump after that remember he. was wearing the make America great when. people were saying that Trump was bad. Kanye was like no no no with Trump yeah. and there was a concert that he did he. said he didn't vote but if he did vote. he would have voted for Trump and the. whole crowd was. like one thing I've I've noticed about.

people as I've gotten a little older is. that if if a strategy has been working. for someone their entire life they're. not going to get to 50 years old or 40. years old and suddenly change it when it. stops working right so if you're Kanye. you're a random kid from Chicago and you. became like a decent producer But like. everyone else you you came to New York. with Big Dreams and you didn't get. noticed for a while and then the second. you did get noticed the second you tried.

to rap everyone told you you were crazy. and not just everyone the top Experts of. rap in hipop Jay-Z's record label the. people that would most know say look. Kanye you're you're a good producer but. take it from us we're the top experts in. the world you don't want to get into the. rap game and he says you know what. I'm going to do the really dumb thing. and say no you're all wrong and then he. becomes not just a good rapper but the. best rapper in history right so this.

strategy of of a bunch of people that. are the smartest people and then by the. way he did the same thing with. fashion everyone the smartest people in. the world said Kanye you're a great. rapper but trust us stay we we know more. than anyone in the world about this. industry you can't make it and then he. does it better than them so a guy for. whom that strategy has been working he's. just been calling his shot like Babe. Ruth over and over again and getting it. every time against the odds he's not. going to wake up at 45 years old and.

when people say you can't vote for Trump. he's going to say yeah actually I should. listen to them this time right good. point and I've noticed this about other. people too it's like if they have some. weird strategy that's really worked for. them you can't you can't tell them to. change it halfway through their life. elon's the same way this is I think it's. prot precisely connected to his extreme. success of all this all the ventures. that were supposed to fail that had you. put anyone else at the helm they would. have failed Tesla.

SpaceX um just. constantly having the smartest people in. the world tell him he can't do something. and then doing. it he he's uh you know he's immune. to a A Chorus of very smart well-meaning. people telling him don't say that don't. do this because it's worked for him his. his whole life and and so I think the. point is the flaws people point out in. these people they may be genuine flaws. but they are the flip side of the coin.

of their success yes they're Inseparable. such a good point yeah so it's an. important point and you know I think. when people get in a situation like like. we've never seen a person get in a. situation like Kanye where he was one of. the. biggest entertainers on the planet Earth. if not the biggest and then all of a. sudden becomes Persona nrata that's. never really happened before like that.

over words over and a guy who. clearly has a pensent for saying things. that are outrageous and he's always done. that and he clearly goes on rants MH you. know where I don't even know if he knows. where he's going sometimes like he went. on a crazy rant when he met with Trump. did you ever see that one yeah I did one. of my favorites cuz Trump trump is so. happy that Kanye is there he's like this. is great this is great I'm just GNA. listen like if that if if Kanye was.

opposed to him and was saying the same. kind of things how do you think Trump. would respond like what what what are. you talk where did you get your. inducation what kind of talk is this and. instead he's like sitting there going. okay like chump smart he's sitting there. he's letting Kanye rant and K Kanye is. trying to change make America great. again to make America great or something. or keep America I forget what he was. going but he had this idea in his head. that he had this this is bad for black. people and we want to make it change.

into this thing and like he's just a. wild dude he's a wild dude I think he's. a bad person he's not a bad person. stretch the imagin I don't think he's. going to be Persona NR forever he's. talented man that [ __ ] will put. out a new album and it'll be will listen. to it and for most people all will be. forgiven especially I think people will. give him a pass cuz mental illness like. I I don't think he'll be canceled. forever no he's too good he's too good. to this day to this day people listen to. Michael Jackson music to this day to.

this day I want to rock with you comes. on and everybody goes oh man you don't. think oh that's that guy went crazy and. had wild facial reconstructive surgery. and mayor may not have molested kids you. don't think that you think that guy was. so [ __ ] good when be it comes on you. don't you know you don't think about. those things doesn't matter it's pretty. it's there was I do remember there was. like one week where people considered. not listening to Michael Jackson and.

then everyone at the same time was like. to too good it's too good it's too good. got to be starting something when you. hear some of those songs you're like God. damn that dude was good yeah he was so. good that they played him on rock and. roll radio in Boston I remember I was in. in Boston and it was wco Z which is like. the local rock station we would all. listen to it most like classic rock like. Aros Smith and Lead Zeppelin and [ __ ]. and the DJ comes on this is back when. DJs can still play whatever they wanted.

to play and he came on and he said look. I know this isn't rock and roll but I'm. going to play it anyway because it's so. good and he played Billy Jean and it was. so good that people didn't give a [ __ ]. that it was Michael Jackson they didn't. think it was disco or any they didn't. give it a label they're like wow yeah. undeniable just undeniable and that's. Kanye Kanye's got some bangers oh yeah I. got Kanye in about 10 songs on my Green.

Room playlist and when we're in the. mothership and those song come on. everybody's like oh [ __ ] here's another. one he had so many of them so many of. them so many of them and the did that's. that same mind that same mind that says. crazy [ __ ] that same mind is just. [ __ ] going is just going in a bunch. of different directions with like like a. [ __ ] thousand horsepower engine and. we're all out here in Civics yeah. exactly that's what's going on the rest. of us are not like that you know I mean.

we're different we're different and we. need people like that we just need them. to not not say things that hurt people's. feelings yeah and don't don't say things. that you know disparage entire groups of. people and I don't think he means to do. that I don't think anybody that's a good. I don't think he's a bad person by any. stretch of the imagination but I think. we have to recognize that there's some. mental illness that is extremely. beneficial yeah and that when these. people are behaving and and expressing. themselves in a certain way they're just. unwell and it might be momentarily.

there's people that get into manic. States and they say things then they. have to call people back and say I'm so. sorry I was freaking out I'm not. supposed to be drinking and I drank and. I'm on this medication and I [ __ ] up. and it's like yeah okay but as a society. just cast someone I might like Adidas. stopped their contracts with them and. everybody stopped doing business with. them it's like wow I don't think you get. rid of bad ideas by doing that and like. so everything I said about Israel on. your podcast no one can say that I'm a a.

Hamas Defender right I'm very pro-israel. but there are people right now that for. expressing Pro Hamas beliefs are being. you know uh there's companies saying. we're never going to hire you to college. kids uh there there's all all kinds of. stuff like this is going on where I'm. I'm totally against it I'm I'm I think. people should be absolutely free to make. these stupid arguments and we should.

inform them we should argue right we. should have a conversation even when. it's like a really bad belief but do you. think that you would want someone to. work for you if you found out that they. were Pro terrorist like probably not. like if you found some if some guy says. he's into Isis no and he's wants to work. for your company like you would say hey. I'm not going to hire you because you. have decided that you you're Pro Taliban. I wonder about that I wonder about that. because I I want to say yes but uh you.

know my friend my friend Nome Dorman who. owns a comedy seller he says that he has. people working in his kitchen he this. guy both his parents are from Israel. very pro-israel it's it's actually the. most important issue to him in in life. perhaps he has people working in his. kitchen from the Middle East that. believe all the propaganda all the. anti-semitic propaganda that they've.

been fed that many people in the Arab. world are fed they they believe that. Jews are controlling the media the Jews. are everything right and they're totally. anti-israel and maybe some of them would. even are are even happy about the Hamas. attack but he says as long as they keep. their politics out of work. they don't alienate customers and we. treat each other with respect I'm not. going to say I'd fire you or I wouldn't. hire you you know well good for him. that's a very beautiful and jesus-like.

way of approaching the world yeah I mean. but I think it ideally it should be it. should be more and more the way we. approach the world because I don't think. you persuade people by persecuting them. right the difference between that and. some someone like someone holding. beliefs because they came from a. particular part of the world is very. different from someone going out on the. street and yelling it holding up banners.

and flags using bullhorns. and that that is what someone might do. at a protest so if you were at a pro-. Isis protest and you were screaming. about isis's caliphate and that this is. the the just way of life and this is. what God wants like I probably don't. want you working at Subway you're. probably not going to be the dude I want. to be making sandwiches next to you know. and I'll probably if I'm hiring at a. auto repair shop and this guy thinks.

he's going to be a martyr if he blows. himself up maybe I'm not going to hire. that guy maybe I'm not going to hire the. guy that thinks that it's okay to talk. little kids into wearing a [ __ ] vest. and walking into a school I agree yeah. but at the same time I don't like the. idea that there's a political litness. test for having a job right like and. this is part of what's happening with. diversity equity and inclusion. statements is that all over the country. there are these jobs professorships at. universities where in order to be hired.

you have to sign and say I support. diversity Equity inclusion which and a. long paragraph of values you may not. hold why why should I need to sign on to. that uh it's to to to be hired to teach. math right yeah I I I get very. uncomfortable get slippery because you. get to itical ideologies that you're. forcing people to subscribe to yeah yeah. I mean there's it is a slippery slope. right I mean if you were a Catholic and. you would not hire Baptists you thought. Baptists were fools you you only believe.

in hiring Catholics that would get weird. you know and but those we we're okay in. in that sense that most people of. differing Christian Persuasions are. comfortable with each other lutherans. are comfortable around methodists and. they look at Baptists the same way they. look at Catholics Maybe look at Mormons. weird you know Mormon that's a weird one. but you know very nice though it's. they're very they're the nicest people. but it's it's very common for people of.

different branches of Christianity to. work together and have no problems it's. when things get weird is when you deci. like one thing is way worse than the. other thing or one thing opposes the. existence of another thing now we're. getting to extreme differences like if. the difference between the Hamas and. Israel like we getting to that. or if you're getting to you know Nazis. and the Jews or if you're getting to you. know you there's there's things that you. can get to where you're like okay this. is valid you know yeah these are valid.

reasons to not be wor but if you do that. and it keeps pushing in a certain. direction it could get to Catholics. hating the Protestants and that's what. the [ __ ] happened in Ireland they were. blowing each other up I mean when I went. to uh Belfast Northern Ireland for a UFC. there's cars police cars that are. covered with like steel plates to. bombproof them Wow have you ever seen it. it's wild it's wild and the people that.

live there they there's people that are. there right now that still remember the. IRA and they remember all the bombings. and the terrorists and the horrible. things that people from both sides of. Ireland did to each other they're two. totally different countries Northern. Ireland is a completely different. country than than Ireland because of. that and because and a lot of it was. wrapped up in religion. and I mean we don't want to think that. that could happen but whenever you have.

this thing where you're against someone. who's not on your on your team that. could that could take place you could. have like a peaceful coexistence like. Baptist do with methodists or you or it. could be [ __ ] horrible and you could. other that person and it's just a part. of human programming so I agree with the. new atheist about how many problems have. been caused by religion and I'm an. atheist myself I didn't I grew up with. no. religion on the other. hand the empirical literature suggests.

that religious people tend to be. happier and also suggest that. conservatives tend to be happier than. liberals and that's a very interesting. finding to me because I grew up in a. very secular liberal context was never. even tempted by religion really um like. you know how they say there's no atheist. in foxholes right I'd be an atheist in a. foxhole like I wouldn't even believe in. God I think if my like I it just it's. nowhere in me.

but it's an interesting and pretty. verified result I think at this point. that conservatives tend to be happier. than liberals less mental illness and. the religious tend to be happier than. the secular so then the question becomes. why is that is it because they believe. in religion or is it uh explained by a. third variable is it correlation without. causation is it that religious people. have communities they have somewhere to. go to where they see familiar faces.

every Sunday and atheists lack that or. they don't have it automatically and. it's that's certainly a factor it's unly. a factor got to be a factor yeah yeah. people need Community it it is. absolutely a part of us and one of the. things you see in primarily secular. places like if you think about New York. City there's so many people but yet. they're not friends with each other and. they're all stacked on top of each other. I was talking to my friend Jim Norton. the other day he's like I lived next. door to my neighbor for 10 years I have. no [ __ ] idea who he is yeah and they.

all just live in this giant stack of. humans that they don't know and you know. that's normal I've had culture shock. when I've come to the South because I. grew up in North Jersey right outside of. New York and I didn't realize that until. I came to the South until I hung out in. Florida and even the Midwest that people. in the Northeast aren't as. nice I have a theory for that what. what's your theory my my primary theory. for why people are so wild on the East.

Coast because they are wild and. aggressive is because those are the. ancestors of the people that [ __ ]. came across on boats they were people. that took a crazy chance people before. YouTube competitive ambitious people. just and mean I mean just the The Echoes. of the past if you watch Gangs of New. York you ever watch that. movie but you know we think of New York. City as this Metropolitan it used to be. a horrible crime ridden murderous place. to be and at the turn of the century.

when people were coming over here from. Europe the the the people that came here. from all parts of the world those people. came from somewhere that sucked and they. a wild crazy chance to try to make it. American it was probably very aggressive. and it was during the time of the. depression so you're dealing with like. really [ __ ] scared people and really. desperate people and you're dealing with. like very aggressive culture and then a. lot of people like [ __ ] this I'm going. west and they just kept going they just.

kept going until the on the west coast. of the country whether it's because of. the entertainment industry or whether. it's because of the amazing climate I. think there's a combination of those two. that became like the most Progressive. the least aggressive the most. open-minded did like when I heard used. to hear about Fighters coming from. California I'd be like how good could he. be that's what I used to think when I. was a kid I was thinking you going to. get a good fighter they're all going to. come out of the cities they're all going.

to come out of places where there's like. a lot of hardship and and people are. like push and shove and you're going to. get your ass kicked at school all the. time and then you get a few dudes that. grew up in the South that lived you know. in like Hard Scrabble neighborhoods coal. mining communities they were badasses. too there's the hobo like Jack Dempsey. the dudes who rode the [ __ ] railroad. trains and just hard men who did hard. jobs and they were scary too but once. you got to California yeah those dudes. was a ridiculous thing to think but that.

it comes out of this thing where the. people that arrive there they dealt with. those were the people that stayed. they're the people that like were fine. with that or didn't know another way of. life I watched the uh I watched like. five or six hours of the New York. history documentary New York City. history documentary by Rick Burns oh I. haven't seen it you know Rick Burns I've. heard of him yeah Ken Burns brother that. no one talks about he it's just it's. funny to me that Ken Burns has a brother. that makes exactly Ken Burns style.

documentaries that is kind of funny. great by the way it's not he's not like. worse than his brother I don't think. I've seen any of but no one ever talks. about him I don't think I've seen any of. his stuff um anyway he has like a mega. marathon New York City history. documentary that's. fantastic and what's it called I think. it's just I think it's just called New. York C Rick Burns New York you need to. like get buy a subscription within. Amazon Prime to get it it's really. annoying but worth it and get buy a. subscription or you have to get a. subscription to Amazon Prime within.

Amazon Prime there's like a PBS package. or something oh it's another thing you. pay for yeah you have to pay for it. those [ __ ] people sitting on the the. the beam over the city freaks me out and. um leather Souls slippery ass shoes yep. and they they have footage of building. the Empire State Building and these guys. are just like tossing hot rods to each. other like 20 feet away from each other. just absolutely insane um way of. living and and from there I learned that.

the Empire State Building was supposed. to be a parking spot for a blimp or or. derable whatever it's called technically. really that was the pretext for why they. had to build the Spire higher it it was. it was total BS cuz they wanted to get. it over the CH the Chrysler Building so. they said we got to park blimps here. that's why we need this tall thing and. then they tried to park a blimp but they. didn't even build it to really work or.

be practical it was just a pretext for. why they needed to get higher than the. Chrysler Building but there there is a. picture of I don't know if it's a real. picture or if it was the kind of the. blueprint of the Empire State building. with a blimp uh parked hold that thought. cuz I really have to PE yeah but I want. to talk about this more we'll be right. back. okay so the blimp New York City um. Empire State Building um some someone's. going to yell at me for calling it a. blimp because it's actually a dur.

durable and I I don't know the. difference I structure I think it's the. exterior structure yeah anyway so. derable has an exterior structure. whereas I think a blimp is just a. balloon is that the case so it parked it. there and that was why they said they. needed to do it and people walked onto. that [ __ ] thing from there tried to. do it for about 5 minutes or something. and it didn't work and then they said oh. screw that but at least we're taller. taller than the Chrysler Building now. when I was reading it that it didn't. work as it was super [ __ ] windy which. it obviously is in New York city so they.

didn't they didn't plan for wind for. [ __ ] giant balloon it was supposed to. be the stop for transatlantic Zeppelin. flights. dude how crazy is I had a dream once it. was a really weird dream it was a dream. of I forget it was a thousand or a. million Teslas there was a dream that in. a parallel univer a very strange dream. and by the way I've had it more than. once I think I've had it at least twice. it was a dream where instead of having. one insanely Innovative person like.

Nicola Tesla there was a thousand of. them or a million of them and that the. world and in this dream I was living in. like. 1960 and there were blimps everywhere. there was flying crafts everywhere and. uh it was very different the world was. very different it was a really strange. dream but it was like the sky was filled. with these flying. crafts and there was Nikolai Teslas all. over the place not literally him but. like like him not just one guy that.

everybody like breaks into his apartment. after he's dead to get his notes but. thousands of them millions of them dream. yeah something like that King's dream of. New York wow that's crazy so this is a. kind of very but in my dream everything. had like a kind of. Steampunk sort of feel to it because it. was sort of early you know it wasn't a. dream of today it was a dream where I. was just imagining what would the world. have looked like if instead of one of.

these guys in like when did Tesla live. it was like the 1920s right instead of. one of those guys have a [ __ ] ton of. them and that you know we are often. driven by a few mad. Geniuses that have just through their. own creativity and Tesla's very unusual. with his creativity because he talked. about how he was kind of. like I don't think he said was saying. aliens but he was saying that he was. receiving this information from.

somewhere else like he had this see what. you find about that cuz I don't want to. misquote him but he had some very. bizarre descriptions of where ideas came. from and I think he felt like he was in. communication with something from some. else as well well I know a lot of. artists and musicians have described it. that way because I don't think you know. where the idea comes from I mean I have. a theory when you're joke writing where. does it come from I think ideas are a.

form of. life I think it's not a life that uses. blood and and tissue I think it's like a. different kind of like non-tangible life. form that enters into the creative mind. and it manifests itself in the form of. physical objects every physical object. that we see on Earth from Cars to planes. to tables was thought of first a thought.

came to someone's mind what if I cut. this wood and sand it down and put some. [ __ ] legs on this [ __ ] and I got. some [ __ ] to put my my stuff on look at. that I got a table like somebody had to. think of that and that thing became a. real object the whole earth is covered. with these things that human beings have. put here because they had an idea like. and it's making us make a better version. of oursel and this is what I think AI is.

I think what we're doing with this. constant thirst for Innovation. Innovation and also this um it coincides. with our materialistic Tendencies it's. like it facilitates it helps it. everyone's so material you got what do. you got an iPhone 6 what's wrong with. you bro you know like you need to get. the 15 it's USBC now oh my God I got to. get the 15 and everybody's running out. and everybody wants to do that everybody. wants to have the newest latest greatest. thing and what does that do it fuels. Innovation and ultimately that leads to.

us creating Ai and this is where we find. ourselves and and we we find ourselves. in this weird situation like okay who's. in control of AI and if someone really. does invent a better form of AI and uses. it to hijack the economic system to. hijack who knows just you have insane. amounts of power if you have an insane. mind and the ability to innovate far. beyond the capabilities of the human. mind someone uh some people have been. arguing I I think they're probably right.

that the safest way to build AI is to. have lots of people build it separately. because then no one AI will be. decentralized right right rather than. try from the top down the government to. say okay we got to build a safe. we're going to take charge we're going. to regulate everything we're going to. put we're going to make you put the seat. belt on to have multiple parties at the. same time all over the world doing AI it. may guarantee or may help uh uh ensure.

that no one of them becomes so powerful. that they exist unopposed by others well. would be very irresponsible if you were. a superpower and you didn't do work with. AI yeah and China does or Russia do does. or Iran does right that would be. irresponsible so you you would really. kind of have to do that so you remember. when people were asking for a six-month. pause yeah you heard about that yeah. China's not gonna China's not going to. pause I mean this.

is sometimes the smartest people in the. world don't have common sense well they. would like the international scientific. Community to get on board with that but. they don't have that option in certain. parts of the world they just don't they. just don't and when it's something like. AI something that does have the power to. radically trans transform everything. that we see around us and is probably. doing it right now with algorithms that. manipulate people's perspectives on all. sorts of things you know how much of the.

Twitter beef with the Bots and all that. stuff how many how many of those fake. accounts are being run by AI how many of. them are being generated by programs I. would assume at this point it's not zero. it's not zero and we know that that's a. real factor in making sure that people. are constantly piss ped off at each. other and fighting back and forth. there's certain foreign and domestic. interests that have a a. vested responsibility to do that like. this is what this is what they're trying. to do like this is like this is my job I.

got to go out and make people mad about. abortion I got to go out and make people. mad about the Border I got to go out. make people mad about this and they just. they're running programs that are having. people argue with people like constantly. all the time I'm sure you've seen when. someone there like someone will like. highlight some sort of a tweet about a. particular thing and then you put that. tweet in a search engine and you will. see thousands of people tweeting the. exact same thing wow yeah it's wild it's. wild and there's less sophisticated.

versions and more sophisticated versions. and then there's actual physical Bad. actors human beings that are doing it. you know and they're doing it very. creatively and that was uh one of the. things that Renee Desta investigated. when she was looking into um what was. going on with uh Facebook and these. troll farms and the internet research. agency in Russia and how they were. manipulating social media arguments they. one of the things she noticed that they. had organized a uh Texas secession rally.

right across the street from some. Islamic rally and did people show up. yeah sure people showed up I I think I. learned from her too that they had uh. organized a BLM rally and people showed. up that's wild they also organized well. one of the crazy things they did was out. of the top 20 Christian Facebook sites. 19 of them were run by troll Farms. wow so all the you know the hateful. rhetoric and all the you know all that.

stuff run by people who are just trying. to get people angry at each other now I. will say that said I love GPT. 4 you know chat GPT I love it I use it. almost every day it's like a a smart. buddy that will do whatever I tell him. to do yeah it's a good way to put it and. even when I don't don't agree with him I. can have a fun or intelligent exchange. with him that makes me smarter yeah it's.

just so much fun it's very interesting. we throw on a documentary and everything. I don't understand explain this to me. are you sure about that well I heard. that you know it's like it's fantastic. there there's I strangely meet a lot of. people that don't like it at all. why either because they well they feel. that it's not smart enough to interest. them that's the first thing and I don't. I really don't get that it's smart. enough to be interesting it's smarter.

than a lot of people why would they say. it's not smart enough to interest them. this is I hear I hear this all the time. they say oh it's it's not really that. intelligent um it's just uh it's just. feeding you talking points it can't. really think you know for itself come on. man if you don't see that as the seed of. something that's going to be infinitely. more intelligent than human beings. you're foolish I think so too yeah. that's that's a person that that ship. has sailed yeah but then you know that.

falls into this people don't want to be. duped by things they don't want to be. the person that that fell for the hype. yeah exactly well the hype is real this. time if you don't a lot of people are. still on 3.5 cuz they they don't want to. or can't pay 20 bucks a month go to gp4. and really have a conversation with it. about anything tell me it's not smart. it's very smart it's very and it's also. just the beginning I had Sam maltman on. the podcast we had pretty long. discussion about this and um I feel like.

it's it's inevitable and I think it's. part of it was a part of our history. before it was ever written we are going. to make a better version of ourselves. and one of one of the things we're going. to do first is create some sort of. sensient intelligent that might. sensient intelligence that may or may. not be physical you know it'll be it may. exist only in terms of running programs. but it's going to be smarter than us and. one day someone's going to put that in a.

physical object or one day we're going. to allow that thing into our own brains. we're going to develop some sort of an. ability to utilize that and a universal. language would be one of the quickest. things that it could do so it would. change the way people communicate with. each other cu there would be no longer. not neither a cultural boundary nor a. language boundary you'll be able to. understand the way a person thinks based. on their actual thoughts versus the. rhetoric and what they're thinking and.

saying might be two different things but. you'll you'll be able to recognize that. instantaneously there'll be no ability. to lie there'll be no bottleneck between. information and your ability to acquire. it it'll be instantaneous and I think. we're going to change what we are. fundamentally and it may overwhel be it. may overall be the thing that saves us. because if we truly can understand that. we are all connected and we are all the.

same thing and that the only thing that. separates us is where we were from what. how we grew up who we were influenced by. what our genes are what our environment. is all these variables but the co the. core of what we are is just human beings. and maybe through a universal language. and an ability to communicate. universally like across No Boundaries No. No Boundaries for expression No. Boundaries for understanding no. misconstrued things no things taken out.

of context the ability to recognize the. actual thing and you to be able to. recognize what you are too because. people will confront you like the people. that read your thoughts and know your. mind would would will be able to show. you the error it will be almost. impossible. after a certain point in time to have. distorted perspectives because you won't. just be a biological human being you'll. be a biological human being that has. interfaced with an insanely. intelligent technology that allows you.

to elevate everything around you but. then. again it's not going to be great it's. not going to be all great it's not going. to be perfect what are we going to lose. are we going to lose Blues are we going. to lose the blues or are we going to. lose hip hop or what are we going to. lose we going comedy are we're going to. lose violent movies are we going to lose. fun are we going to lose uh bungee. jumping what what are we going to lose. we're going to lose some things yeah I'm. sure I'm sure we going to lose a lot of. Thrills and a lot of the chaos of life. you know maybe all bars will close maybe.

people completely stopped drinking what. the [ __ ] was I doing you know oh now I. realize why I needed to relas my uh. inhibitions and this is like all just. like a thing I'm dealing with a conflict. an internal conflict right so so I had. this lady Nita farahani on my podcast. probably a year ago and then I met her. at Ted. recently and she she wrote this book. called The Battle for your brain she's a. professor I uh I'm forgetting the.

college in uh somewhere in North. Carolina I think uh maybe Duke is that. in North Carolina or South Carolina am I. crazy not sure um which one is it North. so she she just had this book and. she's you know she pays close attention. to the current state and the near future. state of mindreading. technology and I was absolutely blown. away because I did not think that things. were possible that are already happening.

in certain parts of the world for. example uh she talked about a factory in. China where they're able to uh through. an ESG an like over scalp ESG scanner. determine whether someone is slacking. off off by the brain signals being. sent uh from them wow right uh. and apparently it's even possible to. Simply have a. tattoo uh like kind of behind your ear.

or somewhere on your face that gets. enough of a signal of an electrical. signal from your brain that can then get. enhanced to get actual brain readings. like to to to read your State of Mind. essentially just a tattoo yeah that is. that the mark of the beast I don't know. mark of the beast from the Bible oh well. so this anyway so like the full the full.

thing is to have a a big cap on right. and it gets ESG signals and these. signals get correlated with through Big. Data with states of mind so so you get. enough data you say okay that this. signal pattern means you're happy this. signal pattern means you're tired this. signal pattern means Etc you get enough. data of people talking with ESG and. correlate it uh perhaps using. AI then you can get a signal in.

principle of what does the brain look. like when someone is saying the. sentence I'm hungry for food or whatever. in principle you could you can mind read. with this right you can read if if and. this apparently has been done in India. according according to. farahan if someone if you're in a. courtroom and you ask a witness have you. seen this murder weapon before they can.

lie but there's a neural signature to. recognition this has been um this is. very controversial this is fmri correct. we talking about she she's talking. mostly about ESG ESG yeah so I know that. there was when you brought up IND IND I. know that there was a trial where. someone was convicted of I think the the. term was functional knowledge of the. crime scene right and but I talked to a. neuroscientist that said that would. never fly um over here that there was.

something about the court system where. this person was convicted that they if. you had that that that it's simp you. remember when um there was seismologists. in Italy that were sued because they. didn't accurately predict an earthquake. do you remember that no no see if you. can find that yeah there was a they they. literally had to go to trial they were. they were they were they had to be. acquitted because they were being. accused of either negligence or some.

sort of a I I forget exactly what the. charge was but they were essentially not. understanding seismology and the. unpredictable nature of the movement of. the earth Italian seismologist cleared. of mans so they were going to charge. them with. manslaughter so six seismologists. accused of misleading the public about. the risk of an earthquake in Italy were. cleared of manslaughter on 10th of. November an appeals court overturned.

their six-year prison sentences and. reduced to two years the sentence for a. government official who had been. convicted with them so a magnitude 6.3. earthquake struck the historic town of. Laila in the early hours of 6 April 9. killing more than 300 people the. findings by a three judge appeals court. promptly M prompted many Le I don't know. how I'm not saying that right laquila. citizens who were waiting outside the. courtroom to react with rage shouting.

shame and saying that the Italian state. had just acquitted itself local media. reported but it comes as a relief to. scientists around the world who had been. following the unprecedented case with. alarm we don't have to be worried about. the possibility of being prosecuted if. we give advice on Earth earthquake says. seismologist Ian M of University of. Edinburgh uh UK that would discourage. giving honest opinion the defendants. themselves have mixed feelings uh guo. salvaji former director of the national.

earthquake Center in Rome says that. although he is happy to be acquitted. there's nothing to celebrate because the. pain of the people laquila Remains the. scientists that end up in court as a. consequence of a botched Communication. in a highly stressed environment in the. months before the major earthquake. struck the region around laquila had. been subject to frequent mostly low. magnitude Tremors known as seismic. swarms residents were confused and. increasingly alarmed by statements made. by a local amateur earthquake predictor. who said that he had evidence of an.

impending Quake although geologists. dismissed his methods as. unsound a commission of experts met on. 31 March 2009 to assess of scientific. evidence and advised the government. according to the prosecution a press. conference after this meeting attended. by acting president of the commission. volon volcanologist Franco barbar barbar. of the University of Rome ratree and the. government official Bernardo D. bernardinus then directly parents with.

that name Nam their kid Bernard berardo. dein and then uh deputy director of the. Italian civil protection Department. conveyed a reassuring message that a. major earthquake was not on the cards. okay so the earthquake happened and so. they charge these people with. manslaughter as a consequence uh so okay. the television interview recorded. shortly after the meeting uh but aired. uh shortly before the meeting rather but. aired after it de ber andas who is now. president of the institute for.

Environmental Research and protection in. Rome says that the scientific Community. tells me there is no danger because. there is an ongoing discharge of energy. during the seismic swarm as a. consequence according to the prosecution. when the earthquake struck on 6 April 20. uh 29. people chose to stay indoors instead of. stepping outside as they otherwise would. have done and died as their homes. collapsed all seven members of the. expert commission were found guilty of. manslaughter and this is. 2012 this is pretty recently after a.

13-month trial that transfixed the. international scientific. Community but I. think mean charging them with. manslaughter is [ __ ] crazy like I. don't think they're they're basing it on. what they know about earthquakes and. earthquakes are unpredictable how yeah. how predictable are earthquakes to not. very predictable yeah that's what I I. was never under the oppression that they. could be predicted super easily oh brain. scanning in Chinese factories probably. doesn't work if it's happening at.

all and this is uh do you remember that. thing that video that we watched Jamie. what was that from where the girl was. sitting in her desk and she was having. fantasies about a local a coworker and. you know was like trying to like not. have the then someone in her office. because of their brain scanning got. convicted of Fraud and someone that she. was directly involved with in some sort. of a meeting it was it's a cartoon but. it's it's trying to paint I think it's a.

world economic Forum thing is it it's. trying they're trying to predict this. Rosy version of a much more productive. future if you just submit to letting the. company that you work for read your. [ __ ] mind yeah why just and the. things that she sighting is it's like. it's really fascinating but she's. talking about how much better her. productivity is and she's getting more. work done she's much more focused. because they know when she's not and. this is somehow you know that video do. you remember.

it so I don't know if that China Factory. story ends up being true but uh farahan. has a lot of other examples in her book. of studies that have been done and. what's possible and she has this worry. about this notion of cognitive Liberty. that soon we're going to have to decide. if the right to privacy extends to our. right our um our brain data right well. we've already submitted to this idea. that a company can mandate whether you. get vaccinated even when it was. Preposterous we we submitted to that.

yeah there was people that I know that. had coid recovered from coid and were. required to get vaccinated in order to. participate in uh certain television. programs and certain movie programs I. know I know a professor um music. Professor that was required to get the. booster already double vaxed and had. gotten coid was required to get the. booster on pain of lost work of not. being able to teach yeah and I had a. friend that was doing a television show.

and the exact same thing he had gotten. Co he had gotten vaccinated but he. hadn't gotten boosted and they they. required him to get he's like I've. already recovered from Co like it's. totally unscientific and they required. him and he had to do it and I think part. of. the part of the reason why why you know. someone like RFK is has so much support. and enthusiasm it's because there's all. these people that didn't have zoom. professions that didn't work from home. right that for whom a paycheck was. meaningful who were forced into this.

thing not forced I shouldn't say forced. were. pressured uh were pressured into. additional uh things that they didn't. need yeah and that caused that has. caused an understandable backlash and I. I think people have there's obviously an. age element to this too vaccines were. far more important for older folks than. for younger folks and and so I think. people have really failed to take the.

compassionate angle towards why people. are so interested in a guy like RFK and. that that that is definitely part of it. 100% yeah it's all we're. in a strange new. territory we're we're in a strange new. territory with human discourse we're in. a strange new territory with AI we're in. a strange new territory with global. conflicts this is a a wild time because. think about the social media coverage of.

the uh Israel Palestine issue this is. one of the first times where you don't. need the mainstream news at all to get. your information in fact the mainstream. news is slower than Twitter I've been. following the hospital story the past 48. hours all of the mainstream news outlets. are like 10 hours behind Twitter that's. very interesting it's very interesting. yeah well they don't have the con they. don't have the confinements so they're. going to like you said before they're.

not professional so they're going to get. things wrong too and there's always that. there's there's a lot of that kind of. stuff that goes on but generally that. gets sorted out with free speech right. if people are paying attention but the. problem is some people only pay. attention to the initial assertions and. then afterwards they miss the the. corrections that's right and there's a. lot of people that are doing that now. I've watched people today talk about. Israel bombing that hospital I've I saw. it today someone who is you know who's. talking about it that I follow.

like it's there are some people that are. never going to get the correction no. they're not going to get it yeah they're. going to still be saying it in a year. yeah well you're going to always have. that you're you're you're going to have. that and it but it at least we're. getting that information quickly like. the correction was quick as opposed to. the way it would have been in 1967 it's. very different in 1967 it would have. taken years to correct years if ever. yeah it would still be up for debate.

right who was right or who was wrong I. mean how long did it take before they. admit the Gulf of tonen was a false flag. took. forever we're you know the speed that. which we get access to the actual truth. is very quick now it's very different. have you seen the last days in vietn. no that is possibly the best documentary. I've ever seen definitely top three I. was blown away it's it's a just a. documentary about our pull out from. Vietnam and um our efforts to get South.

Vietnamese out the fact that we waited. so long to admit the war was fully lost. and that we had to leave there were. people just clinging to the myth that we. could still be there a little bit longer. a little bit longer and and the total. logistical failure of it that people. were just trying to find helicopters. from anywhere in the world to get people. off of the rooftop of the. embassy and all the South Vietnamese. that we.

abandoned that ended up in concentration. camps it was one of the maybe the best. war related documentary I've ever seen. in my life wow it was I I teared up it. was just incredible it's just so. horrible and it was very reminiscent of. our our exit from Afghanistan as well. when you look at how many people we. abandoned to the Taliban yeah who who. were our collaborators who worked with. us it's heartbreaking yeah it's horrific. and again it points to this thing that.

we were speaking of earlier that we. would think that we would know better by. now MH that we've learned from the the. horrors of the past but apparently we. haven't there's also the realities of. war that are available to you now like. how much Russian Ukraine footage have. you seen from people's GoPros and and. cell phone footage it's. insane you get to see like actual videos.

of war crimes torture m i saw a guy get. murdered with a sledgehammer you're. seeing people get shot when they're on. the ground you're you're seeing like. real high resolution footage of some. really horrific [ __ ] that is what war is. not this sort of sterilized I support. this because I got a flag on my Twitter. bio and you go over there and do the. right thing and it's moral imperative. that we support these people like that's. the actual reality of what you're. supporting war is hell it's hell it's.

hell the apocalypse exists it just. doesn't exist right here it exists parts. of the world it exists and then there's. the. insane fact that these people are. tweeting about these things on phones. that you can literally Trace if you go. back down the supply chain literally. made by slaves who are using materials.

that are pulled out of the ground in. some of the most inhumane horrific. conditions on Earth right now that. pregnant women women carrying their. babies in their back are digging Cobalt. out of the ground. and that's getting into your phone and. that's what you're using to tweet about. inequality it's wild wild I read this. book recently called in defense of. capitalism by uh I I think he's like a. northern.

European uh guy and he mentioned this. this episode where. UNESCO banned child labor in uh either. in Pakistan or. Bangladesh and did a followup study of. the kids that were no longer in those. child labor factories and some crazy. proportion of them had gone into child. prostitution because that was their that. was their alternative their Alternatives. in life were work in the factory or sell.

your body oh my. God and and so the question becomes the. people working in those Cobalt Minds. what are their. Alternatives realistically from their. perspective what is this Cobalt mine. better then that they're choosing to. come here if they are choosing if. they're not choosing then they're slaves. you know right it's. it's it's it's a it's a very Grim. reality it's a very Grim reality that's. currently happening that's one of the.

the strangest things about these things. that when they're not happening to you. right now it's very difficult to wrap. your mind around what would be like if. your role of the dice was you were born. in Karachi or you were born. in name the place name the troubled. place on Earth you were born in Beirut. you were Bor wherever it is name that. spot you born in libria name it just. luck luck of the universe of of karma of.

whatever the [ __ ] you want to believe. but it's just luck and if you were born. in North Korea you're [ __ ] you're. [ __ ] and no one's coming to save you. and that's real and that's real right. now in 2023 and the only thing that. stops that from happening is. people who have good intentions making. sure that we engineer a future that's. better for everybody and I don't know. how do you do that how do you do that. with all these different special.

interests how do you do that with the. military-industrial complex how do you. do that with education being halfway. sideways how do you do that how do you. do that with the immigration crisis the. [ __ ] political discourse in this. country. like though despite it all life seems to. get better generation after generation. if you anyone you or I know talks to. their. grandparents nine out of 10 we have a. better life than our grandparents nine. out of 10 100% so despite all of it the.

world chugs. along uh and improves bit by bit that's. not inevitable it can backslide it could. all end tomorrow yeah but we managed to. make progress and that progress is is. important the progress is important it's. not guaranteed um and during the time of. the Mongols it was definitely not not. good and the the the thought is during. your lifetime it might go sideways But. ultimately it'll level back out yeah.

like the stock market it may it may but. I think sometimes that takes a. long time a long time that's um one of. the things that I've become very. fascinated with from my discussions with. uh Randle Carlson and Graham Hancock is. the younger drias impact Theory and it's. a theory that's somewhere around 11,800. years ago the end of the Ice Age was. caused by us getting hit by comets and. it probably wiped out most civilization. and when we're looking at when we're.

looking at the um Mesopotamians and. ancient Su we're looking at a rebuilding. of civilization not the emergence of. civilization but a rebuilding of. civilization what that means to me is. that from 11,800 years ago to 6,000. years ago was probably pretty [ __ ]. horrific pretty horrific for a long time. people probably barely made it and the. people that did make it were probably. monsters and then it took a long time.

for everything to settle back down again. and people start inventing mathematics. again start rebuilding structures and. start using Agriculture and all these. different things they probably had. already harnessed when they were. building the pyramids they probably. already harnessed all that they were. probably. as advanced if not more advanced than us. that who we are is gr hanock yes Graham. Hancock likes to say that we're a. civilization with amnesia and that seems. like archaeologists were pushing back. against it for a long time but they seem.

to be backing off of that now for a. bunch of reasons one because the. physical evidence there's a lot of real. physical evidence of ancient cultures. that were far more sophisticated than we. give them credit for uh specifically. gocke and some of these places in turkey. that they found. 11,000 year old complex stone structures. back when people were supposed to be. much more primitive and they really. don't know the actual dates of the. pyramids they're just carbon dated some. genetic material some some material. that's inside the the like the cracks of.

the stones and stuff on the but they. don't know when they actually put it. down it's just kind of guess where. because easily it could have been work. that was done thousands of years later. by people who found it like they don't. really know I hear this all the time do. is it now known how the pyramids were. built or is it still an unknown no idea. not just no idea is there leading theory. nope they're all [ __ ] and the. thought behind it is the the real. problem is some of these [ __ ] things.

weighed 50 70 tons and they were taken. from quaries hundreds of miles away. through the mountains at the very most. recent with with with the mainstream. archaeologist believe was 2500 BC. somehow or another back then they had. the ability to move 70 ton blocks of. stone through the mountains from. hundreds of miles away and get it to. Giza and not just that but build 2.

million. 300,000 of them into a perfect pyramid. that points almost exactly to due north. south east and west and that at one. point in time was covered in smooth. Limestone this what we see now this like. Jagged it's because people looted it and. they took the Limestone off the surface. of the pyramid people are monsters they. found this thing that far more. intelligent people built a long [ __ ]. time ago and they they rummaged through. it stole [ __ ] but whoever those people.

were and whatever they did and how they. did it and how long ago they did it what. they did we can't do today no matter. what anybody says they I think the. number was if they cut and place 10. stones a day it would take you 600 plus. years to make one pyramid 10 of these. massive stones that they move into place. 4,000 plus years ago at least like how. how did you do it no one knows no one. knows it's all guesswork they don't even. know what they did how they cut it they. they only had supposedly had copper.

tools back then they don't know how they. cut those things they don't know how. they move them there's evidence of drill. marks there's like all these different. um pieces of stone that have look looks. like a tubular diam drill has gone into. it they don't know what the [ __ ] that is. so Graham Hancock's theory is then that. this was a advanced civilization that. gotest not yeah not just his but many. people now are are coming on board with. this but there's also core samples. they've taken core samples of Earth and.

when they get to that point in time at. 11,800 years ago they find high levels. of aridium in certain parts of the earth. which is very common in space and very. rare on Earth they also find Nano. diamonds that that come from impacts and. I I think they call it fronite or Trin. trinitite like after the Trinity bomb. because when they did detonated the. Trinity bomb they found this same sort. of microglass because of the explosion. it's just extreme amount of energy. slamming into dirt and it makes these. micro diamonds and they find those also.

at that level of 11,800 years and they. think it was not just that one time they. think it probably happened again. somewhere around 10,000 years ago as. well may maybe multiple times throughout. history and they think it's also the. same um Comet storm that we passed. through that led to the tunguska event. you know about that M I think that was. in the. 1920s there was an area of Siberia where. I think it was like a more than a. million Acres of trees were devastated. and what they think happened was we. passed through that Comet shower and. something blew up in the environment.

upon re-entry upon you know entry into. our environment into our atmosphere and. blew up over it didn't actually impact. but it detonated above it and I think to. this day it's still flattened to this. day I don't think itate above it just on. re-entry sometimes they blow up you know. shooting stars when you see a shooting. star and it gets really bright and then. it stops it's because it's burned up. upon entry right but something might be. so big that when it burns up upon entry. it just explodes and this tunguska event.

there's wild speculation I was listening. to um a Radio Lab podcast where there. was a scientist that was speculating. that perhaps it was a very tiny black. hole that um impacted the Earth and but. there's a lot of debate as to whether or. not that's valid I don't know I'm not. smart enough to understand that but they. do believe that that time that the Tusa. event happened coincides with the time. where earth goes through this regular. period of uh Comet activity because we.

we pass through this uh Comet Cloud I. think it's every November and every June. see if you can find that Tusa thing. because I think to this day it's still. flattened I mean just devastated this. area and it's pretty wild when you see. the original pictures of it yeah it just. all these trees are just. flattened it's like this is that's what. it looks like now still to this. day which is crazy but if you look at. the other images of what it looked like.

when they discovered it after it. happened I mean just imagine so you have. this dense forest if you see that black. and white excuse me Jamie the color. image again the color image of what it. looks like now now imagine what looked. like back then well that whole area was. covered with trees too and something. detonated they think right above it and. it. just just flattened out everything. wow yeah so it it's 1908 that's what it. was and they think that this has.

happened many many many times in h. history there's they found these big. impact sites in Greenland they found. them off the coast of Australia they. found these things obviously um where. the dinosaurs died you know the the off. of Mexico that that that happens that's. that's a thing that happens and when it. does happen we get knocked back into the. [ __ ] Stone Age and the same thing. could happen with nuclear war it could.

be the same thing same kind of thing. where we reach this incredible level of. sophistication but everything that our. sophistication is based on in terms of. your ability to acquire that information. is all either electronic or paper I mean. all that stuff is like so easy to. destroy it's like if we didn't have. computers if we if we died if there was. some Walking Dead type situation and all. the people that run computers and all. the people that run the power grid they. all die and then we have these hard. drives 4 500 years from now like they're.

not going to be worth anything anymore. they're going to be they're going to be. gone they're going to be laying around. they won't won't feed us're they're not. you can't light them on fire to cook. food over so we're just going to leave. them on the ground and those things are. going to rot and they're just going to. disappear and the Earth's going to. swallow them up and there's going to be. no evidence of them just completely be. absorbed by the Earth and that's. probably why we don't find anything you. know from whatever the technology was. that these people had that they were. able to invent the pyramids because. whatever the [ __ ] they had there's.

there's these bizarre Stones where it. looks like they've somehow or another. scooped out sections of stone that it. looks like it was done with like some. known technology they speculated all. sorts of different things like different. kinds of energy systems that they would. have used to cut this Stone in this man. but it's I mean some of the stones in. the Great Pyramid are cut so precisely. you can't even get [ __ ] a razor bleed. in between them and they just stack.

these things on top of each other and. made this perfect structure it's amazing. that there's no leading theory that's. good like they have theories but they're. kind ofit there's no theories that. everyone agrees on because they're so. likely right it's almost like this. civilization maybe like imagine of your. civilization that's so Advanced that you. want to leave evidence of yourself no. matter what happens no matter what. happens it's going to be around because. this is so crazy like even if we do get. hit by meteors even if this will survive.

yeah this will still be here and then. people go oh we're not the first MH we. we're a rebuilding we're a rebuilding. what they did in Africa is above and. beyond what we do today in the wildest. ways in the wildest ways have you've. seen people there's there's all. demonstrations there a guy named bright. Insight who has a YouTube channel and. he's got a just a bunch of stuff on the. mysteries of these ancient civilizations. and what they were able to accomplish. but he's got this whole series of things.

like people trying to move 30 ton rocks. and how insanely impossible it is like. them putting them on dump trucks the. trucks fall over trying to place them in. the back of pickup trucks the. suspensions explode like the most. sophisticated Machinery we have today if. you had to move a 70 ton block of stone. 500 Miles through the mountains Good. Luck Good Luck tell me how you did it. tell me how you did it you didn't even.

make a road you didn't even make a. massive Road and have these impossibly. large metal machines to move this thing. what' you do you put logs on the ground. and you guys rolled it through the. mountains and how many times did you do. it you did it 2,300,000 times how long. did that take how'd you cut them what. were you using how'd you figure out how. to make it perfect North Southeast and. West why does it have like portals in it. that sare at the Sun throughing the. summer summer solstice where it like.

alins up with. like yeah that's nuts it's nuts they. were so. Advanced they were so Advanced and. there's a a fantastic series called. magical Egypt by this guy uh that he's. been on my podcast twice he's he's gone. now unfortunately but his name was John. Anthony West and he was sort of an an. alternative egyptologist was wasn't like. formerly trained in it but became. obsessed with it and learned like so. much about the the mysteries of these.

ancient cultures and how insanely. sophisticated they were and how they. have hieroglyphs that date back 40,000. plus years of History so they depict. these Kings that modern egyptologist say. oh that's just fantasy they're just. making that up they don't they even. that's don't pay attention to that pay. attention to the stuff from the time. period where we tell you it happened. because they talk about Kings and people. that lived 40,000 years ago I think they. were probably right I think that's.

probably real I think they probably had. some sort of memory of how this all got. done and they probably lost all of it. over time and all of it due to. catastrophe and who knows War they were. conquered by the Nubians all sorts of. things happened to Egypt and now it's. just like just guessing just qu but this. thing these structures they're so insane. that you just look at them and go how I. got to learn more about this it's wild.

stuff magical Egypt it's called yeah. it's a fantastic documentary but but. just if I could recommend anybody. discussing it it's Randle Carlson and. Graham Hancock and and Graham has I. always [ __ ] this up it's ancient. apocalypse right on Netflix yes and it's. a whole series about the evidence that. points to ancient civilizations that we. can't explain and we don't know what who. who built this why is it here like how. how is it so sophisticated and where did. this culture go like we don't like we. know about the Mayans right we don't.

know how they built that stuff but we do. know that they were probably wiped out. by plague it was probably European. settlers came down here gave them. diseases they had no immunity to and it. wiped them out just like it wiped out. 90% of Native American population native. Hawaiians too yes so we know that that's. probably was the end of the Mayan. civilization but we have no [ __ ] idea. like what prompted them to do that I. went to chich chinita and you just look. around you go whoa what did you do how.

did you guys do this yeah like what. you're you're doing something that. people in other parts of the world have. no like people in Europe they weren't. doing anything like that they're making. [ __ ] out of [ __ ] bricks and stuff and. wood stupid ins you know and these. people are making these immense. structures out of stone and and. dedicating them to the cosmos it's wild. stuff yeah I love these these things. where there just is no Theory yet yeah. so I mean the one I pay most attention. to is consciousness I have lots of.

philosophers on my podcast it was my. major in college there's no leading. theory of why it is that human beings. are conscious as opposed to Mere robots. or mere lifelike robots there's no no. there's nothing agreed upon there's no. you know we're in the pre- Darwin Days. with respect just to this problem like. there's no one solved it and what is it. and is it local is it a part of you or. are you an. antenna we don't know there's no Theory.

I mean there are theories but similar to. The Pyramid there's nothing agreed upon. because there's no evidence that. strongly no evidence or even logic that. strongly favors one Theory or the other. it's fascinating that people always say. it's the mind but my thought was always. been like imagine if there was a machine. and this machine did all these. incredible things but you realize this. machine was plugged into the wall and if. you pulled that plug out the machine. stopped working yeah like oh well that's.

the brain right there because it's you. pull that out it doesn't work anymore. well you blow someone's brains out they. can't think anymore right but is that. because the brains are where they're. thinking or is it possible that the. brain is receiving. Consciousness that Consciousness is. something that's just a part of the. universe and that we are the embodiment. of it in a physical biological form but. we're just kind of tuning into it and. we're using the mind we're using the.

human brain to tune that in like a radio. it's kind of close to the idea of pan. psychism right which. is it's it's as respected now a theory. as all of the the other theories uh. which is just that Consciousness is in. every atom in microcosm and when you put. enough atoms together in some kind of. way you get Advanced Consciousness but. you know by that logic the table would.

have some rudimentary form of. Consciousness it would just be nothing. like an animal nothing like a dog which. is nothing like a human um but and as as. nuts as that. sounds it is on a par with all of the. other theories none of the other. theories have more evidence for them. than that one it's a deep mystery that. science despite its enormous successes. over the past 400 500 years is no closer. to an answer about now than it was you.

know hundred years ago but isn't that. always the case like if you stopped and. think about what life would be like if. you lived before they understood that uh. viruses. existed or what what caused them or uh. what bacteria was what caused infections. when they you know when surgeons didn't. even wash their hands they didn't even. know they didn't have any idea and their. understanding of what these things are. was based entirely on what people had.

already figured out and this is they. couldn't imagine a world where imagine. if you live before bacteria was. discovered imagine a world where someone. try to explain to you now there's like. these little tiny invisible things. that's what's [ __ ] you up like what. are you talking about dude hey you need. a microscope to see him like what a. microscope but Philip Goff who's a. philosopher he made a very good point to. me because I I made that exact same. argument to him said isn't this just. another one of all the big Paradigm. shifts that we've had and he made the. good point which is.

that the whole idea of science is. premised on what is observable what you. can empirically observe all of the great. discoveries of Science in one or another. form have been based on observable. evidence even that are too small to see. they have effects that can be measured. and we can test different theories by. looking at observable things. Consciousness is about the. unobservable and so in some deep way. science was not designed to answer the. question right the the like I you.

wouldn't know that I was conscious if. you couldn't tell that you were. conscious and you you extend the. courtesy the analogy to me you I figure. Coleman's conscious he's a thing like me. there's something it feels like to be. this flesh so I'm going to assume that. there's something it's like to be Joe. Rogan there's the lights are on in there. and it's not just you're not just a a. humanoid robot that is that has advanced. AI but there's no feeling right. right um how does science deal with a.

problem like that because the evidence. of Consciousness is unobservable from. the outside by definition I cannot. observe that you're conscious you just. know it because you know it right that's. not like other scientific problems we've. solved. yeah that's a you know it makes it in. principle much more difficult of a. question to solve cuz what would an. answer even look like yeah yeah and yet. it's kind of the most interesting. question from my. perspective.

indeed yeah what is. it what is it in because according to. the laws of physics the laws of. chemistry everything that is known in. biology chemistry and physics there is. no reason why we should be feeling. something in addition to doing stuff you. know well doesn't it motivate you to do. more stuff you can you can create a. robot that does that that has the. incentive structure of motivation. without the feeling right but You' have.

to create it but you'd have to be a. thing that understood those things in. order to create it the assumption is. that through Evolution there's been like. determining factors that. favored that sort of thinking and. behavior because those determining. factors allowed you to create tools. shelter devise strategies to avoid. problems you've experienced in the past. and that all this would be beneficial to. passing on your genes.

yes yeah but why does why does evolution. have to come with this additional thing. of having feelings right but it just why. does it happen bacteria. evolve viruses evolve but don't feelings. motivate behavior and doesn't Behavior. motivate Innovation like all those. things sort of they work in conjunction. to make sure we keep. progressing yeah they do but but this.

extra variable of. Consciousness is is not necessary for. any of that like we you could build a. robot that hunted in principle the laws. of physics allow for that you could. build a robot that hunted and tried to. procreate and did all this kind of stuff. but there's nobody home well that's. animals that's what we like to think. about it with Predators like we like to. think about it probably I assume animals. have some crocod rudimentary feeling. right but if we get down to certain. really ancient creatures like crocodiles.

we don't assume that we assume COC have. you ever seen the video there's a lady. that's like uh feeding crocodiles she's. like throwing chickens into this. crocodile pit and this one crocodile. reaches over and grabs the other. crocodile's foot and just bites it and. does a gator roll and just snaps his. foot off and chokes it back and swabbles. it and he doesn't even. budge he doesn't even budge like that. thing is the thing you're talking about. that's like the biological robot that. just consumes watch this this lady's. throwing the food out there so watch.

this crocodile Dives on and this one. just grabs that guy's foot and look. spins pops the foot off oh my God and. then just chokes it down look at that. cuz he thinks it's food and the other. one doesn't even budge. and I think they regenerate do. crocodiles regenerate. limbs they may regenerate L of foot but. maybe a I don't know I let me see I. certain really primitive animals. regenerate which is pretty [ __ ] wild.

like you chop their hand off a new one. grows back do crocodiles do that no no. what animals do regenerate some lizards. can regrow their tails not all of them. none can regrow their limbs ah. interesting so it's only. Tails wonder why ta says alligators are. now the largest species known to regrow. oh this is from the Smithsonian H okay. so is it saying regrow. limbs uh God damn. it young Gators can Sprout new tails.

that reach up to N9 Ines new Tails young. ones regrow seever now this this say. says regrow severed limbs right on top. yeah alligators are now the largest. species known to regrow severed lims Li. it's not a crocodile though but but it's. Gators I think they're pretty similar. despite being reptiles little is known. about whether or not alligators could. regenerate their thick massive Tails. Gators can reach 15 fet in length weigh. up to 1,000 pounds so regrowing a tail. is no small feet but in a surprising new.

discovery scientists found that young. American alligators can regrow their. tails up to 9 in or around 18% of their. body length what does it say about their. limbs though is are they considering a. tail a limb is that why they're saying. it that way I guess yes yeah and this is. even saying that one might have started. regrowing away from the body it was in a. pickle jar look at this further analysis. revealed the tail had grown back after. it was severed using a high-tech Imaging. Technologies and traditional Dissection. the researchers found that the gator. tail regrew cartilage connective tissue.

and skin instead of bone and skeletal. muscle the findings revealed that. American alligators have more. regenerative abilities than ma than. mammals says that mammals oh that oh I. see that mammals which US usually grow. nerves skin and blood vessels but less. than lizards which can Sprout entirely. new perfect tails with sceletal muscle. so lizards can grow a real New Tail so. they're smaller that's what it is but. can lizards regrow limbs I don't think. it's saying anything other than Tails.

yeah they so they're saying limbs but. they really just mean. Tails it's a Lim I suppose but yeah I. believe there's an animal that regrows. limbs. which is [ __ ] wild I think I think. octopi. do some do they yeah I think so animal I. never watch Catfish lobers yeah lobsters. do that's right that's one of the. reasons why they chop Lobster uh claws. off and throw them back in the water CU.

they can regrow them yeah they'll do. that with crabs too they just chop their. claws off see a [ __ ] throw them back in. the water and then they grow more. claws I think like to my point why isn't. your spleen. ious maybe it is maybe your entire body. is one conscious entity and when you cut. things out of it it [ __ ] up the system. you know maybe your spleen has its own. point of view where it's like oh I'm I'm. Coleman spleen he doesn't really know. about me I'm doing my best to do my.

stuff and I feel things and what about. I'm working hard today but I'm going to. work less hard if I finish this you know. well there's a lot of observable data. about gut bacteria and human behavior. yeah yeah and there's there's gut. bacteria linked to depression linked to. all sorts of ailments and mental. disorders and which is fascinating CU. like if you have a disruption of the. organisms that live inside of you like. there's who knows how many someone said.

once that there's more eoli living in. your gut than there have ever been. humans. ever yeah and so there's bacteria that. exists in you your bi your body you're. like this host of life and whether or. not that is healthy bacteria or. unhealthy can determine the way you. think it can determine cravings for sure. it like the the type of gut bacteria. what is that stuff that there's like a.

certain type of gut bacteria that people. get when they eat too much sugar makes. you want more sugar candida yeah it's. wild so what do you take for a gut. biome well I think there's Pro. probiotics that you can take that can. mitigate some of those issues um but. it's also healthy diet and you know and. feeding yourself the correct Foods. because you want your body to have the. real building blocks to to be healthy. and to regrow tissue instead of just. stuff in your face and stuff that tastes.

good right you know which gets you. addicted to that and it's just weird. empty calories filled with sugar but so. addictive and so bizarre that that's a. normal part of the human diet and that. some study recently said that something. like 40% of the American diet is. processed. food which is just nuts just I was. drinking this allulose stuff recently. what's that uh alilo they have it in. soilent it's what makes soent sweet it's. a alternative. sugar but it it basically causes.

diarrhea to everyone at some. dose so for me it caused diarrhea if I. had drank two diara twoes one you're. good my girlfriend gets diarrhea one sip. wow and everyone just has a threshold. and also is my understanding is it's not. approved at all in Europe so when I. learned that I just said I should. probably cool off on this not drink it. every day until we have a little more.

information that this is okay in the. long run but it tastes great and it's. not technically sugar so they can they. can say uh soilent has zero sugar but. tastes. amazing so and this feels too good to be. true my mother told me whenever. something sounds too good to be true it. probably is so I stopped drinking it uh. although it's really good do you know. the difference between like net carbs. and actual carbs you know they're. allowed to say things like net carbs net. net of what yeah exactly so like if you.

look at something and it's like oh this. only has like two gram are there. negative carbs that are being no no it's. not that it's just there's other factors. like net carbs like outside of sugar. outside of this how does your body. process it like net carbs I think find. out if this is true I think it was a. phrase that was invented by uh Atkins. when they were doing the Atkins diet. when they were trying to label things in. terms of like they were trying to make. things more low carb seeming but I think.

it's kind of a it's kind of a deceptive. term someone was explaining online and I. just glanced at it really quickly and I. didn't get the Deep dive on it but I is. that what it is according to the Wall. Street Journal Atkins coined the phrase. in 2001 the sidestep guidelines yeah so. Atkins coined the phrase net cars back. in 2001 step sidestep the fda's existing. guidelines Atkins labels will drop the. term net carbs so what what is net.

carbs okay the concept net carbs is. first introduced in 2002 when. researchers when research demonstrated. fiber had a minimal impact on blood. sugar so is it carbs minus fiber then I. think. so so what does it say when a carb is. not a carb the net carb debate click on. that okay uh when is a carb not a carb. that's the question many carb conscious. dieters now facing as they struggle to. keep their carb counts within the strict.

limits uh recommended by Atkins and. other low carb diets in an effort to. cash in on the low carb craze food. manufacturers had invented a new. category of carbohydrates known as net. carb which promises to let dieters eat. the sweet and creamy Foods they crave. without suffering the carb consequences. but the problem is that there's no legal. definition of the net active or impact. carbs popping up on food labels and. advertisements the only carbohydrate. information regulated by the FDA is.

provided in the nutrition facts labels. which list total carbohydrates and. breaks them down into dietary fiber and. sugars any information or claims about. carbohydrate content that appear outside. that box have not been evaluated by the. FDA the terms have been made up by food. companies says wah hinda carali Dr. phrd director of nutrition at the Irving. Center for Clinical Research at Columbia.

University it's a way for the. manufacturers of these projects to draw. products to draw attention to them and. make them look appealing by saying look. you can eat all these carbs but you're. really not impacting your health so so. to speak although the number of products. touting net carbs continues to grow. nutrition experts say the science behind. these claims is fuzzy and it's unclear. whether counting net carbs will help or. hurt weight loss efforts so what's a net. carb the concept of net carbs is based. on the principle that not all.

carbohydrate affect the body in the same. manner some carbohydrates like simple or. refined starches and sugars have are. absorbed rapidly and have a high. glycemic index meaning they cause blood. sugar levels to quickly rise after. eating excess simple carbohydrates. carbohydrates are stored in the body as. fat example these include potatoes white. bread white rice and sweets other carat. such as carbohydrates such as fiber. found in whole grains fruits and. vegetables move slowly through the. digest digestive system and much of it.

isn't digested at all which is insoluble. fiber uh also in these categories of. largely indigestible carbohydrates are. sugar alcohol such as manitol sorbitol. Xylitol and other. polyols which are modified alcohol. molecules that reassemble sugar these. substances are commonly used as. artificial sweeteners in calculating net. carbs most manufacturers take the total. number of carbohydrates a product. containing and subtract fiber and sugar. alcohols because these type of.

carbohydrates are thought to have. minimal impact on blood sugar. levels so for example the label on power. Bar's new double chocolate flavor. protein carb Le Bar says it has only 2 G. of impact. carbohydrates the nutrition fact label. on the product says it has 30 gram of. total carbohydrates yes these people are. Shameless wild just below the fact Bo. the nutrition fax box the impact carb.

fax box provided by the manufacturer. explains fiber and sugar alcohols have a. minimal effect on blood sugar for those. watching their carb intake Count 2 gram. that's 30 G minus the bars 27 g of sugar. alcohol and 1 G of. fiber but the research is here goes even. further researchers say that the impact. of sugar alcohols on blood sugar levels. in the body is not fully understood in. the yeah and the body's not fully. understood and they may also cause.

problems in some people there's some. sugar alcohols that can raise your blood. sugar says carali certain sugar alcohols. do have a higher glycemic index and they. are still not counted as carbohydrates. by these. companies yeah this is Shameless I mean. it's wild it's a wild term yeah it does. remind me though of what we were talking. about earlier with you know the opioid. Scandal and uh. oxycoton they came up with this notion. of breakthrough pain yeah which instead.

of saying that oxycotton doesn't prevent. pain for 10 hours right that was their. 10 or 12 hours I guess was their. original claim instead of admitting that. that was false they had all these people. coming after you know coming in after 3. 4 hours and the pain is back and it's. it's it's horrible back and worse than. ever instead of admitting that it just. doesn't protect you for as long as they. said they said oh well some patients. experience breakthrough pain as if the. oxy is doing its job but certain pain is. like just breaking through right it's.

blaming the pain as opposed to the drug. yeah uh that's the way it's it's framed. well remember breakthrough Transmissions. yeah yeah again this is the idea that oh. coid somehow broke through the defensive. Shield of the of the vaccine rather than. claiming saying it normally which would. be the vaccine doesn't prevent you from. getting it again right that would be the. normal way to say that rather than to. create a A New Concept of a breakthrough. infection that is breaking through like.

a powerful Warrior through the shield of. of this substance it's a weird a very a. backwards way of of framing what's going. on right well it's deceptive and it's. again this product of money being. connected to science money being. connected to Medical Science money being. connected to nutrition science how do we. make more money net carbs I got this. idea listen to this how we call it net.

carbs and so even though it has 30 carbs. people that's too many carbs two net two. of net carbs o I like it can we get away. with that yeah no problem yeah glycemic. index bunch of [ __ ] yeah we good we're. good Roll It Out roll it out so it's not. people that are objectively looking at. these products and saying well we have. to be honest about what's in here and. that total total carbohydrates no one's. going to read that bro that's in that. little thing at the bottom that's on. little tiny letters you can't even read. it if you don't have eyeglasses on the. big total net carbs it's like two grams.

in the front on the label yeah we're. good most people just look at that go. two grams of carbs I'm good to go that's. how they get you yeah and what they they. are doing is just doing what they do. that's their game that's the game that's. the money game that's if they don't do. it they'll be replaced by someone who. will or if their company doesn't do it. their company will over time lose. Revenue to the companies that do. probably if that's legal until people.

recognize it like they do now and. regulate and regulate yeah it's. uh it's a sneaky world that's going to. be solved with mind reading we're gonna. figure we're gonna fix it all did you. ever find that commercial the world. economic Forum um uh cartoon about M. reading at work cuz it's we should. probably end with this because it's it's. adorable and it's so kooky when you. watch it you just go what like this lady. is fantasizing about the guy and you see.

the guy with like a six-pack in a. cartoon and you see her cooworker. getting hauled off you know cuz the. cooworker was doing something corrupt. and she was worried cuz she was starting. project with this guy so it's all. labeling all the reasons why you should. submit to mind reading like this is. going to be. great yikes you find it Jamie you. remember we played it right sort of but. I mean also like that if it's the same. thing as the uh but it a car thing then. it's not real no it's a cartoon though.

Jamie I understand but you mean it's a. fake cartoon like it's not real the what. I'm I'm what I was trying to say is that. whatever they're trying to depict in the. cartoon isn't accurate they're just. trying to no no no no what they're. saying is in the future this is what. they're saying in the cartoon what you. can look forward to not that they're. doing it right now they're saying you. can look forward to when this technology. is implemented it's going to radically. increase productivity and this is how. and it's going to make people happier. and this is how I think I have it hold.

on you got it hold on it's a it's from. their whole presentation it's adorable. what do you watch it you're like. what I just want to know who looks at. this and goes I like it so first off a. video uh it's G to make you see the. future and understand a wonderful future. where we can it's wonderful. Coleman we're g to fight fight crime. Coleman future crime you're in the zone. even you can't believe how productive. you've been your memo is finished your.

inbox is under control and you're. feeling sharper than you have in a. decade sensing your joy your playlist. shifts to your favorite song sending. chills up your spines the music music. begins to play you glance at the program. running in the background on your. computer screen and notice a now. familiar sight that appears whenever. you're overloaded with pleasure your. Theta brain wave activity decreasing in. the temporal regions of your brain you. mentally move the cursor to the left and.

scroll through your brain data over the. past few hours you can see your stress. levels Rising as the deadline to finish. your memo approached causing a peak in. your beta brain wave activity right. before an alert popped up telling you to. take a brain break but what's that. unusual change in your brain activity. when you're asleep it started earlier in. the month you send a text message to. your doctor with a mental swipe of your. cursor could you take a quick look at my.

brain data anything to worry about your. mind starts to wander to the new. colleague on your team whom you know you. shouldn't be daydreaming about out given. the policy against intra office romance. but you can't help fantasizing just a. little no [ __ ] way look at him he's. your when notic she thought about him. and her thing po supervisor notices when.

the email she send you later that day. congratulates you on your brain metrics. from the past quarter which have earned. you another performance bonus you head. home jamming to the music with your work. issued brain sensing earbuds still in. work issued when you at work the next. day a somber cloud has fallen over the. office oh my God along with emails text. messages and GPS location look at the. guys with sunglasses the government has. subpoena employees brain we the.

government has sunglasses on the Men in. Black they have compelling evidence that. one of your co-workers has committed. massive wire fraud now they're looking. for his co-conspirators. you discover they are looking for. synchronized brain activity between your. coworker and the people he has been. working with while you know you're. innocent of any crime you've been. secretly working with him on a new. startup Venture shaking you remove your.

earbuds. whoa oh this is who I'm talking about. yeah need a feir Hy Fair honey that's. who I had on my. podcast. yeah just imagine. that as being the future. o that's nuts your your supervisor. notices you're thinking about something. other than work hey Coleman what are you. concentrating on over there sorry sorry. back to work I saw you checking out. Jessica back to work sorry sorry look.

you got a performance bonus you were a. good. robot. [ __ ] Nita even told me about situations. where a couple would go into therapy and. uh woman would say to the man like I. don't know if you really love me and. they say well we can actually see how he. feels when when he sees your face or. when he let's put him in a ESG or or. fmri and and now we can confirm it and.

now he's freaking out he's like well do. do I have to do I have to play act or. should I just feel what I feel or what. should I be thinking should I try to rig. this or or will my love naturally come. through in this sterile environment and. now they have proof that you know like. this kind of stuff well that is a. sterile environment too it's like that. right the the rat Farm study you know. that what they did with uh the rat Park. study the vi the the um the heroin study.

yeah you think they use cocaine as well. didn't they use cocaine some of the but. the point is that in laboratory. environments harsh sterile laboratory. environments the rats go immediately to. the drug yeah they just take the drugs. cuz they're [ __ ] freaked out but when. you put them in Rat Park they just drink. water right so the rat park is all stuff. to play with there's a lot of space a. lot of other rats are having a good time. doing stuff they don't they don't get. high they don't get [ __ ] up because. it's a much more natural environment. right you scam my brain in couples's.

therapy I might seem like a dick yeah. you could you also might not have wanted. to be there yeah and uh you might be. dealing with some [ __ ] nonsense and. you're like oh my God I can't believe I. have to go here and deal with this. stupid [ __ ]. and then you're hostile and then wait. Coleman we're reading that you're. hostile like I have things to do this is. [ __ ]. crazy yeah well hopefully we'll figure. it out before we get to that reality. hopefully we won't blow ourselves up and. have thousands of years of barbaric. human behavior before we restart.

civilization two yeah before take three. okay before you leave because we've been. doing this a long time what's your take. on all this UAP [ __ ] oh yeah so. I'm I'm very open-minded to it I when I. originally read the article from David. grutch uh not from him but reporting. about him and all of these other uh. intelligence people that seem to confirm. his story I thought uh this seems like. the. best this seems like the most solid case.

for uaps uaps to date then I saw him. interviewed and he seemed like a crazy. guy so I kind of just you get that sense. sometimes. when you see someone actually on video. on the other hand you know I I have. people I know that are. saying because of the multiple. confirmations from other respected. people Former Intelligence people that. they take it very seriously and. um uh and and I think I don't know I.

think we'll know. soon I don't know I mean I I I really I. really uh I put I put the odds at like. 5% when I first saw the David grut story. drop um but then when I saw his crazy. eyes I I put that down to like. 1% that's hilarious yeah yeah I think. there's multiple things going on. simultaneously I think if you go back to.

the sightings that happen in this. country specifically the multitude of. sightings that happened after we dropped. the bombs there seems to be if they're. telling the truth there's a lot of. credible sightings by highlevel military. people by people that claimed they shut. down nuclear missile bases and that they. did things that they hovered over bases. and that fighter jets scrambled to go. after them all this stuff seems. verifiable that there was some sort of a. phenomenon back when there was no.

possible technology that existed that. could do that in terms of like what we. could make I don't think that's the case. anymore my feeling is there's probably. real life situations where we or someone. encounter something from somewhere else. I think it would be foolish to think. that it's not possible just given the. vast scope of the universe and the. possibility of things existing in a much. more stable environment where they don't.

have to worry about asteroid storms in a. different kind of solar system where the. different kind of life form that doesn't. have all the the primate issues that we. have that evolves to the point where. it's capable of traveling through the. universe and visiting these semi. primitive cultures like ours or. relatively primitive cultures I think. that's possible I also think when the. government starts telling you about out. ofworld crafts and things not of this.

Earth and all the I think that's what I. would say if I had some technology that. we have developed that is insane that is. beyond beyond the imagination of the. Lite beyond the imagination of the. person who doesn't understand the. physics involved and whatever this. propulsion system they've engineered is. and people have been working on magnetic. propulsion systems and gravity. propulsion systems forever they've been. at least in. concept it's entirely possible that with.

the unlimited amount of funds that the. the government has to to De that the. military has develop things that. somewhere they've developed some sort of. a drone that's capable of moving in ways. that we can't even imagine and that's. what the Tic Tac UFO is and all the the. other military sightings I think they. all they seem to happen near where. military bases are they they seem to. happen like off the coast of San Diego. was the Tic Tac one this a big military. presence in San Diego they happen off.

the east coast where they have military. bases and these restricted air zones. they they happen in these places where. they run test like when they they do. training missions with jets and that's. how these fighter Pirates like Ryan. Graves have encountered these things MH. specifically after they updated their. sensors these people have spotted things. visually they have visual confirmation. they have their their uh detection. systems have seen these things but who's. to say that these things aren't some. sort of [ __ ] crazy drone that we have.

developed that we don't want the world. to know that we've developed it so we. say oh it's out of this world it's crazy. UFOs bro nuts I hear in Brazil that. they're just publicly way more open to. the possibility of uaps and even the the. government has like kind of looked into. it open-mindedly and um and Brazil it's. just been like an open conversation a. non- taboo conversation for decades yeah. it's very different um also there's a a.

very famous uh sighting or event that. happened in Virginia so uh the town of. Virginia Brazil actually has this giant. Flying Saucer like as a monument. dedicated to this event that happened in. the 1990s it's documented in the James. Fox documentary uh moment of contact. it's a great documentary because you go. into it open-minded and you go what did. these [ __ ] people see because they. bring this police officer to the site of. where they supposedly found this crashed.

thing that happened during some crazy. electrical storm something crashed then. another vehicle seemed to have been. looking for it and supposedly according. to the story and the people that were. that they were interviewed they saw. creatures they saw this creature and one. of them was injured and this this. Soldier took this creature to more than. one different hospital it's documented. and then that Soldier died that Soldier. died of some crazy bacteria infection. some some crazy infection that they. couldn't treat he died he was a young.

guy and he died pretty quickly after it. happened and there's people that to this. day they're they're like you know much. older now and they describe when they. were children and they saw this thing. they saw this living creature that had. apparently had been trying to. communicate with them and asked them for. help and that that after that happened. there was another craft that came that. was seen by thousands of people in this. town that described this exact same. thing where they saw this thing that. appeared to be like looking for this.

crash craft or the members that were. inside the the creatures that were. inside this. thing I don't know it sounds awesome. that's what I'm scared of what I'm. scared of is I want it to be real right. right that it's cool sounding yeah and. look this guy David grut he. says they have evidence of organic. materials that are not man-made right. that's a very easy claim to prove or. disprove right you could send bits of it. to five different Labs tomorrow if if.

anyone had it and have them all. independently confirm right but David. grush is not saying he has any personal. experience with this this is where it. makes it interesting this is just stuff. that was revealed to him which is also. how I would get out information if I. wanted to put out misinformation I mean. we know that the uh the federal. government infiltrates extremist groups. and they put you know they have members. like when that famous gr gretan Whitmer.

case when they were saying that they. were going to kidnap her and it turned. out that 12 of the 14 people that were. involved were Federal informant so 12 of. the 14 people were Feds that were. involved in this. kid so like if I was going to if I. wanted to release some fake information. I would find some dude MH and I'd say. hey man this is a look at this this is. crazy look what we found you know like. uh I want you to investigate this yeah. and and then you know like maybe you. should probably be a.

whistleblower I should tell the world. you should tell the world dude you. should tell the world and but if you. haven't seen it yourself this is all. just talk you're reading documents. maybe they're true maybe they're not. what fascinates me is people like. Commander David fraver that encountered. that Tic Tac thing and the other fighter. pilots in a different jet that. encountered this they they saw this. thing and they saw it take off it in. same rates of speed and then then they. tracked it where it went to their cat. point which is their agreed upon uh. point where this Mission had like very.

specific areas they were going to go to. this thing went directly to there and in. the same rate of speed that supposedly. if there was a human being inside of it. they just turn into jello. like you wouldn't you would and the. structure would break apart like nothing. that we have can withstand that kind of. gForce and that kind of speed so what is. that what is that is that a propulsion. system that is right now unknown to the. general population is that something. that they've been working on for a long. time where they've developed this. ability to get this thing to move to.

certain directions well I know there's. this guy Mick Jenkins you know you know. about him no Mick Jenkins uh made a. series of videos and and articles. explaining in detail how that could all. be camera error and um very kind of M. West Mick West mck Jenkins MC Jenkins is. the raer I'm an idiot mck West mck West. seen those yes yeah but but the problem. is he's assuming that all of their. Communications that they don't know what. they're seeing that they don't know how. to read their their their these machines.

that are detecting things that their. eyes are deceiving them they're they're. looking at this thing physically either. they're lying or they don't know what. they're looking at he's a nonbeliever. Believer MH you know there's people that. are just Skeptics no matter what and. they're not going I don't know what that. is they're like no there's no way that. is this but when you talk to the actual. fighter pilots that have listened to his. criticism of what like he doesn't know. what he's talking about that's what they.

say right I don't know who's telling the. truth I don't know who's correct but I. would probably believe that they. understand that a thing that moves from. 50,000 ft above sea level to 50 in a. second is beyond comprehension if the. the tracking systems are accurate which. they are with everything else they are. with all the Jets and there's ways to. detect them or there's ways to evade. them right that's what stealth bomber is. all about there's ways to evade certain. radar systems but this like multiple. systems and physical like or rather.

visual recognition of this thing where. multiple people have seen this thing. move in this very bizarre way and then. there's the video of this thing taking. off at this supposed insane rates of. speed there's the goast one that's off. the coast at the East Coast there's. these weird things where you're like. what are they looking at yeah why how. fast is that thing going and what's why. doesn't it have a heat signature like. what where's the propulsion system what. is that thing you know is that just a.

myar balloon and they're stupid that. doesn't seem to make sense to me doesn't. seem to make sense to me that they're. detecting this thing that according to. Ryan Graves stays Motionless in 120 knot. winds and then can zip off in some. insane way they don't understand what. it's doing that they're seeing this is. it a a circle inside of a sphere or a. sphere inside of a circle that's the. same thing no I'm sorry is it a a a. circle inside of a sphere or is it a uh.

a not a circle inside of a square or a. cube yeah it's like a cube in a sphere a. cube inside a sphere so there's a trans. ucent sphere and inside is a Black Cube. they keep seeing this very specific. thing that behaves in this way and moves. in this crazy way well if they have. something that can manipulate gravity. and something that counterar totally. different way if it was our government. doing that wouldn't they make sure. everyone in the Air Force was clear of. the area before that before they tested.

it or is it that they're not coordinated. well maybe they want them to be able to. detect it maybe they want to see how. much they can see of these things if if. it's a drone and you have these fighter. pilots and you if you wanted to test. some super. sophisticated just Ultra secret te. undetectable by radar or how much of it. is detectable let's upgrade their. systems and let's send these things. loose and let's see how often they spot. them and let's see you know let's see.

what they can do can they track these. things or are we capable of tracking. them when they do move off at like a. million miles an hour like how much can. we see what what can we do and what can. we do with these things like maybe right. now they can't use them in terms of like. maybe there's not a uh some sort of a. military way to use it you know it's. just they just fly real fast so maybe. they're still in some sort of a stage of. development you know and if something is. moving at that insane speed maybe you.

can only have it made out of a certain. thing maybe you can't put weapons on it. maybe you can't put Electronics on it. maybe you can only make it move around I. don't know but the whole thing that it's. definitely from another world if they're. telling me it's from another world I'm. like. H you know you guys aren't Square about. anything why would you be square about. that it's definitely more likely to be. from our world no doubt more likely more. likely at the same time I you know I.

think most most people that believe life. is biological and that God didn't start. at all and Earth isn't special would. acknowledge there's probably life out. there yeah right most likely most likely. and if it's Advanced it would be curious. just like we're curious yeah so I don't. that that's why I don't rule it out like. I said I I always assign it very low. probability because the odds are things. that are crazy and on Earth are created. by us and we just haven't found out.

about that yet but I don't rule out the. Extraterrestrial source for me it's a. frustrating distraction that's like less. frustrating than social media it's less. frustrating than scrolling through. Instagram but it's equally unsatisfying. like what is that what am I wasting my. time paying attention to like show me. some [ __ ] or leave I'm not going to be. the one to figure it out so no no no. well listen man thank you very much for. your time my pleasure I really. appreciate you very much and I.

appreciate the way you think about. things you're very intelligent very. objective and just measured and I think. you're an important voice out there. thanks Jo appreciate you and tell. everybody how they can listen to you. more yeah listen to my podcast. conversations with Coleman I release an. episode a week uh I write for the Free. Press and for my own substack called. Coleman's corner and uh go to Coleman. h.org all right thank you very much cool. bye. [Music]. [Applause].

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