Joe Rogan Experience #2045 - Jimmy Carr

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day hey hello Jimmy Hey Joe how are you. good to see you buddy it's very nice to. see you this is uh it's a hell of a. setup thank you I'm like in Austin Texas. I've been here about 18 hours and uh. it's a yeah five starles on trip advisor. so far did you do a set last night I. didn't do a set but I went to the club. yeah and the club is it's phenomenal.

thank you it's almost like someone with. an unlimited budget built a comedy club. that's what it felt like Joe I don't. know I don't know if your business. manager has a view on this yeah I don't. I think something along the lines is I'm. not good at taking advice yeah but it's. it's so great it's so set up from the. comics point of view yeah it's like no. food yeah no food is a great choice yeah. you can't have food yeah people e eat. after eat for there's so many places to. eat on Sixth Street there's a nice pizza. place right next door your neighbors are.

going to love you as well because it's. that thing if you go yeah it creates a. bit of a community and it's full it's. like packed with people and it's kind of. yeah it's phenomenal Great Space well. it's one of those Kevin Coser things you. know when you build it they will come. from the Field of Dreams yeah well it. feels kind of bigger than that as well. in terms of you know you've come out. here and what are you giving back and. comedy's given you everything as it has. me and you go what can you give back. what can you do for your community and. it feels like that's a great thing to do.

well it also seemed like I kind of had. to do it because when I moved here I had. this idea that I'd just be able to like. do whatever local spots I could and then. go on the road and I kind of could but. one of the things that I've realized is. that Comics need Community it's very. important like and that's one of the. things that we really had at The Comedy. Store that made The Comedy Store so. special is that it wasn't just that it. was a great place to work and come up. with new material and work on it but it. was also a great place to meet other. people they were doing the same thing.

it's interesting comedy as opposed to. acting you know that Alan havy said this. great thing to me he said comedians were. out for ourselves but in it. together I thought oh that's it's really. interesting that thing of like going. yeah everyone's doing their own thing. it's comedy is not like acting it's not. a zero sum game right so you doing your. thing no matter how successful you are. has no impact on my thing if anything. you pull me up yes so comedy becomes. like a bigger thing if someone does.

fantastically and they're playing hockey. arenas then more people are pulled up. through the clubs and the theaters into. the Arenas sure it feels like it feels. like we're living in a golden age for. comedy it feels to me like this is what. it must have felt like to work in uh. music or movies in the 70s yeah it's. like it's it's feels like there's. something culturally going on with. comedy where it feels like it's got a. value that's people need it people need. to go out and feel like they're part of. a community and I suppose when you think.

about what we're doing on stage it is. pretty special we're letting people into. our minds and we go into their bodies. yeah we're possessing them we change. their physical state it's extraordinary. it is extraordinary it really is like a. drug you're giving people a happy drug. well it's two I mean it's it's the. Endorphin because you don't quite know. when the punch is coming and then the. serotonin of laughter and the live. experience as well it's like the live. experience is so incredible for comedy. even as as opposed to music because what.

do you get when you go out to a comedy. club well you'll laugh 30 times more. than watching the footage and really and. and props to Netflix Netflix have been. part of the reason comedy's having this. golden age but you go watching something. on screen is like that's how you find. out what you want to go and see live. yeah and live is so much better and. because physically it it gets you in a. different way and you see people kind of. coming their body language changes their. whole and they get into this kind of. this state with the performer they.

breathe with the performer they they. kind of they roll with it and it's it's. so immersive and you don't remember a. word of what the comedian said but you. remember how they made you feel yeah. there's also this shared experience of. being there with other people that. really feels good for people when you're. laughing with a bunch of people. especially in a world where the. individual has become sacran and the. tribe has been left to the side and. people want to feel a bit tribal they. want to feel like they part something. why do people want to go to music. festivals in South by Southwest and GL.

and they want to go and see a comedy. show they want to be in a room in a. thousand people that all have the same. sense of humor and feel a bit bonded for. sure yeah there's that and there's also. with our art form it's uniquely coming. from one person where it's unless you're. a singer songwriter there's really not. or an author those are like probably the. only other people any other Mass form of. entertainment that you're seeing you're. seeing a lot of different people. collaborating which is good like in a. film.

you have to have that but there's. something about an individual's. perspective and someone going what the. [ __ ] is this it's it's I mean for me. that thing of you know standup is. naturally Progressive for me it's like. standup is about um there's an Overton. window about what you know that theory. of the Overton window what is and what. isn't acceptable to talk about publicly. right and comedy is always pushing the. edge of that not just edgy comedy I do. quite edgy stuff it's not about being. edgy particularly.

even someone doing observational stuff. Seinfeld saying the world is crazy. nothing makes any sense this is. ridiculous he says the thing and it. pushes or someone talking about their. relationships than their kids it pushes. what's acceptable to talk about in. everyday life further and it it expands. that window and so we have more open. meaningful conversations like you go and. see a comedy show you have a much more. interesting chat afterwards you you go. to Comedy on a date night it becomes. like a more interesting conversation. because something the guy said SP. something it pushes that it pushes the.

conversation it's naturally Progressive. yeah it is and and also in this day and. age it's one of the rare places where. you can hear people speak freely about. controversial subjects and in my club we. lock up the phone so people don't. they're not self-conscious and they're. also not distracted and then you don't. have to worry about people filming Clips. it is weird isn't it the locking up the. phones is such an interesting point. because that's what people want yeah. they want that boundary of going I'm in.

a live like there's lots of people that. would you would watch your favorite show. you'd watch I know what whatever you you. you like like Game of Thrones or an MMA. fight or whatever and if you have your. phone near you there's a temptation to. check the news and refresh and refresh. and see what's going on and to ruin the. experience for yourself but somehow. being out in public like you you're. aware like it's it's performative being. in a crowd like we're not the only ones. performing at a comedy club or in a. theater the audience are performing.

people how are you doing like you ask an. audience how you doing and they go yay. no one says that one-on-one no one's. ever hey how you doing Joe. yeah you sound psychotic right but in an. audience it's entirely acceptable to to. be that person to dance and to clap. along You' look strange listening to a. band play live and just standing and. listening like and not dancing in the. crowd right and that thing about going. well this is It's per perative being in.

the audience don't think you're the only. one performing they're all with you. they're all that the laughter is you're. partly your signaling it doesn't mean. that it's fake laughter but you're. signaling to other people that you got. it and you're applauding when you kind. of agree a little bit it's there's a. rhythm to it being in an audience is a. performance and it's so fun to do yeah. it is it's my favorite thing to watch. still all these years I love I watched. Christina pitsky last night it was. awesome was it fantastic oh she's so. funny but it's just it's fun it's fun to.

laugh it's fun to see someone's writing. and see like where they're going with. ideas and and it's it's it's also it's. the same and totally different it's it's. a guy on stage with a mic girl on stage. with a mic and it just what's he doing. with this it's a totally different thing. it's it's you know that self authored. thing I mean my the thing I'm working on. at the moment I'm slightly jealous of. the club I'll be honest I S saw the club. last night like this is quite something. to do to set up a club and to have that.

community and it's great and I think. that I'm try I'm working at the moment. on a I don't know whether it's a book or. whether it's a I think it might be like. an online course but a comedy course. because how to do standup how to write. jokes how to be a standup I think great. I think here's my vision for it I think. we're going through a golden period but. maybe it's just beginning comedy's quite. a new medium anyway yeah we get to be. the Beatles and the Rolling Stone don't. or certainly someone in our generation.

does you know if you think about it like. George Carlin and and uh Richard Pryor. were John the Baptist or someone's. coming through it's like that thing of. like it feels like it's it's getting. bigger and bigger my vision is it gets. taught in schools so we teach we teach. music and we teach drama and art and I. think standup comedy is an art form and. I think we need to get. less less magical thinking and more okay.

let's put down a language like music you. can write it let's come up with the I. mean I I've kind of I'm working on like. 50 joke types but let's come up with a a. way of analyzing this and teach people. how to do it because what does it give. you like if your kid does standup comedy. okay well it's they have to find their. voice uh they have to look at things in. a in a from a different angle a. different perspective it's about patent. recognition these are all transferable. skills and it's about finding your voice. the reason every stand up is interesting. to watch is because it's individual.

voices and really what's growing up. about what's school about finding your. voice finding out what you're about. finding out who you are like I don't. think it's a dumb idea to teach stand-up. comedy and to say well everyone should. give this a go even people that have. done a I've got a couple of people that. come and see me live or whatever that. tell me oh I did like four or five gigs. 10 years ago but they enjoy standup. comedy more than the average person it's. like someone who's can play a little bit. of guitar right goes and sees and goes.

well this is they have an inkling of how. good it is yes someone that does a. little bit of Jiu-Jitsu I imagine goes. and sees an MMA fight and goes he's good. yeah they've got they've got like some. idea it's like that they've gone from. unconscious incompetence to conscious. incompetence yeah we've actually talked. many times about putting together a. course and we've thought about doing it. maybe at the club and you know just. having professional Comics that are on.

their way up that are just starting and. having like a workshop where we could. talk to them about material about the. importance of editing about getting to. the point quickly you know and and how. to it would be great because how many. Comics do we know guys that do this for. a living and are doing great that that. do have magical thinking well it just. comes to me and I need to do this to. make it happen like understanding how to. write music mus has never damaged.

anyone's creativity so I think that idea. of like analyzing it and treating it. like a job and how do you sit down and. write and some people go well I don't. sit down and write it just it just. occurs to me you go well okay but like. it's like there's a great quote by Chuck. Close you know the artist Chuck Close no. he's a great artist like pointer list. and he said inspiration is for amateurs. the rest of us just go to. work yeah that's similar to Stephen uh. pressfield's work you know the war of.

art oh I love that book yeah fantastic. book it's really something is it but I. think I think it's I'm on to something. here because I think a lot of people. want to do something creative with their. lives I think a lot of people want to uh. they they like standup comedy it's it's. becoming a bigger thing I think more. people will want to try it and just. giving them the the kind of the the. instruction manual early on yeah so. because because what they're having to. do is what what we did you watch a lot. of comedy and then you kind of reverse. engineer what you hear people do so you. watch the great you watch Steven Wright.

and emo Phillips and Rita rudner and. wand syes and whatever you're looking at. and you go okay so then they must have. had the punchline first and then they. must have if they were doing that word. play that's how that that's probably how. they did it okay so you take the you can. take all the structure you can steal the. structure and then come up with your own. content it's a great kind of you know. yeah well that's what a lot of people do. in the beginning right they they make. jokes that are similar to a joke that. someone that they enjoy would write you.

know like say it's in their voice it's. in their they find themselves kind of. doing and then there's different ages in. comedy where certain people kind of come. through and have a real effect on how. everyone's performing like David tell. yeah Patrice Neil used to always to talk. about how many babies uh he had yeah. like and that so many Comics copied his. voice and David's like probably one of. the bigger ones well I think he's he's. been incredibly influential it feels. like there's he's got the props later on.

but I mean it it kind of I he's the. worst at promoting of any him there's. two brilliant comedians that are [ __ ]. terrible at promoting and because of. that they don't get the credit they. deserve Colin Quinn and David T those. those are in my opinion those are the. two that should be selling out Arenas. yeah I mean Colin Quinn's solo shows uh. all I think there's is that three or. four now the um he just did one at the. club a couple weeks ago and the whole. staff everyone the comics the staff.

everyone was raving about how brilliant. his writing was the timing he's they. said he put on a master class it's. almost like everything he says is in. that comedic tone he's been incredibly. influential he's yeah I think he shows a. fabulous and then you know a tell it. feels like there's you haven't put out. enough material I'm kind of almost like. I don't want to be morbid here but David. tell's not going to live forever and at. some stage you go there's not enough I. mean there's Shanks For The Memories. which is. and there's lots of kind of appearances.

here and there but it feel like I want. more yes well I mean I love bumping mics. I thought bumping mons was like that's. another great like you know Netflix hats. off you know to give Jeff Ross and and. and Dave like to make it kind of feel. like it was in three parts and it felt. like it felt like a visit to New York it. felt really and those shows whenever. there's a festival and those guys come. and play it feels like oh well that's. the late night hang yeah it's fun yeah. it's and it's so improvisational they're. both so good off the cuff but it's it's.

magnificent I think what Dave enjoys is. just the work I mean when you talk to. him he gets up in the morning or. whenever he gets up he goes to the. coffee shop smokes a cigarette drinks. coffee and starts writing goes over the. news finds out what's going on when he. goes into a town like say he's in. Cleveland what's going on in Cleveland. OH a scandal with the mayor oh okay. there's something going on with the. roads oh okay and he starts writing. things about it the team sucks oh let's. write about that this is this is the the. life right it's the I I don't know I.

mean maybe he's as successful as he. needs to be because really what's this. about it's a it's quite stoic I think I. I've become quite the stoic on like. going the world ordered a stand-up. comedian I need to honor that yes I'm a. stand up so anything that's not writing. jokes or performing jokes is not doing. the thing right and the thing is all I. care about I would add to that that it's. good to experience life too and then I. think one of the things that accentuates. life is accentuating your perspective on.

things and that comes from experiences. and there's one one problem that some. Comics have where they just perform and. travel all the time and a lot of their. jokes play material yeah you know it. revolves around what they know it's hard. that work life balance is very tricky. I've just I've had kids quite late in. life and work life balance is hard you. know you know it's it's difficult being. a comedian here's the here's the first. world problem I have um you know work. is is more fun than fun yeah it's more.

fun than fun more fun than any vacation. what you what are you doing on a on a on. a you know night out yeah no we went and. had dinner okay did a thousand people. clap when you walked in the restaurant. no no they didn't did they did you get a. standing ovation as you left the. restaurant well no I didn't and I. thought I did very well at dinner I have. often thought of how many people live. from the Cradle to the Grave and never. kill and what what what a sad thing that. is to never experience that just justy.

audience here the here's the depressing. thought some people live and die and. they never hear their own. voice so maybe teaching standup comedy I. I kind of think that might be the next. thing I'm 50 now I feel like it's that. might be the next thing of like going. and I'm kind of looking for things that. will make me feel like an. impostor I want to feel like an imposter. I want impostor syndrome I like it and I. feel very comfortable in a theater stage. now playing to 2,000 people great I want.

to play Arenas so I don't feel as. comfortable and I want to I want to kind. of become a bit of a teacher because I. think becoming a teacher I think I'll go. I'm not I'm not good enough to to teach. any I can't wind your neck in you're. being presumptuous I think that's a good. feeling to chase yeah because imposter. syndrome is like it's the most normal. thing in the world as you level up. through life you should always feel like. a bit an imposter I've talked to. virtually every great comic and they all. have had that yeah they that moment in. their life they're like when the people.

are clapping and they're introducing. their name and everybody goes crazy. like why are they clapping the [ __ ] a. summer I used I used to open with that. like on the in let's manage our. expectations people let's it's like it's. a terrible thing when you get like when. the Applause is louder when you when you. walk on than when you walk off oh yes. like and we've all had like okay you. were excited to see me but ah the show. wasn't ready yet right yeah yeah there's. always that it's also there's an. incredible lack of documentation about.

the process of standup comedy and it's. one of the great things about podcasts. is that it it has served as a an archive. where where you can I mean I've had. dozens and dozens of conversations with. great comics where I ask them about. their process they it is I mean partly. that's the thing driving it I mean I. think the the podcast thing has taken. off and it turns out talking about. comedy in the process is interesting I. mean I think there's breadcrumbs there. like Steve Martin's book born standing.

up M I think that's the if anyone's. interested in the secrets of Comedy. they're out there and it's about $10.99. in all good bookshops uh but it's that. thing of like going decoding that and. making that kind of a yeah coming up. with a language coming up with a with. something that you could go give a. 14-year-old and they could you know. write their own jokes and I mean they. might not do it as a career but it might. be a fun a fun a fun hobby to have at. the moment comedy feels like it's for. the. professionals and there's no amateur. circuit but like music and sports you've.

got professionals okay you've got the. you got the the greats and then you've. got people that just do it for fun yeah. why not have that going on why not have. more comedians more comedy clubs yeah. well one of the things that we set up at. our club is two nights of Open Mic. nights so we have open mic night on. Sunday and open mic night on Monday and. then we have the staff of the club are. the all the door people are all. professional comedians who auditioned. for that job with their act. so they are people that aspire to be.

professionals and this is sort of like. an I met a couple of them last night I. mean kind of great that thing uh yeah. it's just it's but the whole vibe of the. place then is it's it's in you know. everyone is in service yes of this night. of this thing of thing a theatrical. performance but it's the only art form. that is consumed all over the world. loved by everyone cherished by people. but does not have a direct profession. path in order to be successful there's.

not it's not like music you can learn. how to play a guitar you can take you. know online classes you could figure out. how to compose music you can get. together with bands and practice and put. it together there's a path with standup. comedy it's just go up and figure it out. yeah go up and figure it out and and. it's very clunky and it's a a lot of. wasted time and I think a lot of that. time can be sort of purposed if we can.

give people more clear guidelines. there's no way anyone can tell you how. to do your style because your style is. going to be different than Tony. hinchcliffe's style which is going to be. different than Dave Chappelle's style. everybody's style and who they are and. what they present their ComEd comedians. leak is always my kind of theory on like. you can't watch someone for an hour and. not know know who they are even if like. I mean I'm joke to joke I'm I'm just. joke to joke on stage and yet people. know when I'm telling the truth and when. I'm bullshitting and when it's real and.

when it's not real people get a real. sense of you through your act through. watching you do you do you travel around. the world much do you do much overseas. so yeah I haven't been lately but I did. the O2 Arena uh a few months back. actually a year ago did it in October. last year yeah I did that I mean I'm I'm. like I think I'm 40 countries in now. ongoing and you go what's happened the. last 10 years like the English language. has become bigger and English language. was big to begin with but things like.

YouTube and Netflix has meant because. they used to be a thing in certain. countries where they would dub every. movie and every TV show into the local. language and they would get it a little. bit later and it wouldn't matter and the. local actors would do the voice and the. show would be a hit great that's all. gone now in the age of kind of global. you know inter connectivity people know. well Game of Thrones was on last night. and the the new specials by Joe is out. this evening so they watching sort of. straight away and they watch everything.

in English YouTube doesn't bother. translating things so everyone's English. has kind of gone up a gear so you can go. to quite obscure places and everyone. wants to come out and see standup comedy. and they all know who you are yeah and. they're all listening it's kind of it's. an amazing way to see the. world it is it is an amazing way to see. the world and it is interesting how. comedy translates into these other. places and how they how they absorb. comedy it's very different like I took. Tony to Stockholm we did Sweden it was.

great it was great but he was like dude. I feel like I bombed I go you you did. really well why he goes cuz there was. like they were quiet in between the. jokes I was like that's interesting yeah. you go to some places though and it's. like I remember. playes Finland Denmark stop laughing and. then at the end of the show nuts because. it's like it's more like a theatrical. performance is is the thing that they've. seen before yes yes I'm like they. laughed at all your jokes he's like yeah. I know but it just like felt like it was.

disjointed I go you're just used to. these Rowdy American crowds that like. there's always noise going on well. you're used to if you're used to playing. the clubs as well you know I play mainly. theaters so if I go into a club I'm very. just they're serving drinks right during. the set this is what's going on what's. Happening Here but of course because. you're not in that field there's certain. countries where you'll get a standing. ovation like Canada America Australia. love a standing ovation they're getting. up to leave anyway they might as well.

the UK the Risen Christ could come on. stage and they'd go yeah I don't I don't. think well done it's like that's just. not the thing why is maybe my friends. from the UK that have come to America. one of the things that they've all sort. of said is that in the UK they kind of. want you to not do well and whereas in. America they sort of celebrate you. succeeding I think culturally if you. think about what America is about it's. you know it's it really I suppose it.

dares to dream it's it's there's a bit. of a tall poppy syndrome in the UK where. people do too well it's like well let's. cut him down to sides yes whereas. America is is for you know dreamers and. they're going to do something and. they're going to it's exciting I mean. Austin's got a real feel at the moment. for you know that the every city. Whispers to you yeah so Los Angeles says. be more famous and New York says make. more money and Austin seems to be saying. be creative and weird and they're happy. we're here too that's what really cool. it's like they've embraced it cuz you.

know a scene moved into a city where. there's there's 15 worldclass comedians. that live here now that didn't live here. three years ago was was Ron White the. first yes yeah Ron White's a guy that. means nothing in the UK like he's not. famous in the UK I can't see why he's so. good so good so good and he's retired. except for my club so he's at the club. all the time well have you got Polaroids. of what have you got he loves me that.

poor man's trying to retire and you keep. on draging he doesn't really want to. retire he just wants to not travel. anymore and I said Ron you don't have to. travel you you can get a new crowd every. night of the week anytime you want you. can go up and so he'll just text me you. know hey you doing a show tonight I'm. like [ __ ] yeah you coming he's like [ __ ]. yeah and then he comes down and he's. doing acid and [ __ ] he's an animal. he's so fun and he's so good and it's. like for him it's taken all the.

negativity out of stand-up comedy which. is the travel and the weariness he just. leaves his house drives 15 minutes he's. at the club does a set hangs out we all. party and laugh and have fun and then he. leaves and so he's there three four. nights a week sometimes that's fantastic. oh it's so much fun I like the travel. I've got to say I like the I like. everything about I think that thing when. you when you have a job when you're. living your dream you're doing what you. want to do in life I think you it's it. it's on you to enjoy all of it mhm so. the airport lounges and the delays and.

the you know early mornings or whatever. the flights the whole thing you have to. embrace it all good for you I'm glad you. take that perspective that's very. healthy yeah that's what everybody. should take but it's that thing isn't it. where that you know that thing in life. disposition is more important than. position yes you know how you are in. your head we all know billionaires that. are miserable and and people sweeping. the streets very happy yes and it's that. thing of like disposition and the it. seems to be I know it's trite but it. seems to be the thing is gratitude yeah. yes if you gratitude is the cure for.

resentment and there's so much. resentment around it's such a maligned. word because it gets attached to woo woo. [ __ ] and people wear wooden beads. and you know it gets attached to posing. you know but I think it's I think. gratitude as as like it people imagine. it's about the the thing not the like. the environment MH is the thing we. should be grateful for like that we live. in this time you know that Steven Pinker. Enlightenment now book mhm you sort of. go well now yeah now there's like I had.

a hot shower this morning no one before. 1930 no one had had one right people. didn't know what hot showers were you. washed once a week in cold water good. luck everyone I everyone smelt. disgusting like the world that we live. in now is so [ __ ] great yeah we just. don't appreciate it because we're so. accustomed to it well it's that um what. do they call that it's um the honic. treadmill you get used to the good. things really quickly yes and so you're. searching for more but that you look. around it's just it's an extraordinary.

well the idea that like comedy is a. thing at the moment imagine if we'd been. born in the 1940s where you not really. ComEd is not really I guess we could. have gone on before the band and said. something but it wasn't quite like the. people that start who were the first. people in America Lenny Bruce Lenny. Bruce but he was really the first to do. our style of Comedy yeah but it was our. style of Comedy where he's just talking. about life everybody before that was. like two Jews walked into a bar they buy. it you know it was like setup punchline.

I mean I I do old I mean it's very old. timey really in a sense because I do. jokes so they stand and fall it's very. high wire it's either this is It's. binary this is funny or not there's no. story behind it that you can I mean. sometimes I do longer form but really. it's quite like old school jokes but. yeah Lenny Bruce George Carin like. people that started playing theaters and. clubs and like to draw a crowd so you. weren't just act prior was the first. want to really do it well I never think.

Dick Gregory gets enough he doesn't get. people don't talk about people don't. talk about what he did part of the. struggle and he's incredible as a well. you know he's also the one that exposed. the Kennedy. assassination no I didn't know that dig. Gregory went on the haraldo Rivera show. 12 years after Kennedy was assassinated. who had conspiracy theories 35 minutes. in who had I have it [ __ ] every 20. minutes wait a PO up like so hang on so. cuz I know I know he was you know had a. big part in the Civil Rights Movement.

yes and was incredibly Brave he's kind. of chew a great documentary like a. proper uh Jud appal 3H hour Dick Gregory. here's everything you need to know. documentary I would love that yeah I. would love a documentary on him as well. we we we've sang his Praises many many. times put went out oh they did years. okay oh the one and only did Gregory. 2021 wait a second Showtime have a time. machine and they used it they used it to. steal this idea I think so [ __ ].

I mean he was fantastic during the. Vietnam war he was fantastic during the. Civil Rights Movement get back to the. Kennedy thing so he went on the Heraldo. Rivera show in. 1975 and so this is how old is Heraldo. he's old as [ __ ] yeah so but he looked. good back then he looks pretty [ __ ]. good now um so Dick Gregory went on and. he went on with the zuder film and it. was the first time the sauda film was. ever exposed to the public so haraldo. Rivera played the sauda film and you see. candid. grabbing his neck where he got shot from.

the front and Dick Gregory brought it on. yes Dick Gregory brought the film to. Haro and played it and our next guest is. a comedian for a bit of Light Relief. he's going to show you we play it here. zba Z film how many concert gigs did you. do how many I know exactly when in the. video he talks about it because it's a. long it's a 20-minute video okay well. screw ahead so he shows the video of. Kennedy being shot and then he goes and. I'm going to be at the Laugh Factory in. Miami Beach on come net effect of that. is to make more people watch it well I'm.

telling you right straight out that if. you are at all. sensitive uh if you're at all queasy uh. then don't watch this film just put on. the uh the late night movie uh because. this is uh very heavy it's the film shot. by the Dallas dress manufacturer Abraham. uh zuda and it's the execution of. President Kennedy and uh Bob and dick.

would you please narrate what we're. seeing as we show this. film this is a this is commercial. footage leading into D Plaza this is the. car on Main. Street so this film was taken by actual. newsmen this was spliced together with. the Abraham zuda film yes all right so. this is the beginning of the motorcade. okay what you're seeing now is in slow. motion so that you can grasp what is. happening uh this is a film taken by. Marie mmore that leads into the zuda.

film it's for time. continuity the president is waving to. the crowd here and Jacqueline Kennedy of. course is sitting alongside him in the. open car right this is from moreel nx's. film this. uh this is originally 8 mimer. footage and they're heading now toward. Elm Street they're on Houston Street now. they're GNA make a left-hand turn it's. on the corner where they're going to. make the turn there that The Book. Depository was now this is the zuder. film okay so the cars are coming along.

now into de Plaza yes the these are the. lead motorcycles of the motorcade all. right now with the president and Mrs. Kennedy is also Governor Connelly right. now before he goes behind the sign the. president is waving to the crowd when he. comes out from behind the sign he is. shot then Governor Connelly is shot he's. already been hit he's already been. hit and now at the bottom of the screen. the head shot that's the shot that blew. off his head it's the most horrifying. thing I've ever ever seen in the movie. it is Ian it's genuinely shocking.

watching it now isn't it yes it's. genuinely shocking but it was the first. time people saw that his head moves back. into to the left indicating a shot from. the front and that fell against the. narrative that Lee Harvey Oswald acted. alone there was a ton of eyewitnesses. that said that they heard gunshots from. the grassy null and then there was also. this ridiculous Magic Bullet that they. had to attribute to Lee Harvey oswal's. gun because it had hit there one bullet. had hit an underpass and ricocheted and.

hit a person so they knew that one of. the bullets that got shot missed Kennedy. hit the underpass hit a curb and. ricocheted and hit this guy and he got. brought to the hospital so how how on. Earth do we not have an answer to this. now well it seems they keep hiding the. data they keep they won't release it in. 2017 they were supposed to they were due. to release it they they wouldn't release. it then it was uh again uh I believe in. 2020 W they were supposed to release it. it's very it's a very odd I mean.

conspiracy theories are like that. they're sort of fascinating because. they're Simple Solutions to complex. problems you know so so a lot of them I. kind of go well you know I I'm not sure. whether that there's any validity in. that it just seems like a an easy. solution to this thing which is. incredibly nuanced and complex but the. Kennedy thing you go well how it's the. president got shot how was that how. could they have covered this up. 1963 they there was I mean you had there.

was no independent journalism there was. no uh YouTube there was no online. commentators that weren't captured by a. system they weren't a part of an. enormous structure like the New York. Times or the Washington Post or whatever. the [ __ ] it was yeah and uh the zuder. film again had been archived for 13. years before it was or 12 years 12 or 13. I didn't realize that I I kind of natur. I assumed stupidly that he got shot and. the film came out the next week no no it.

12 years that I believe it was was it 75. that it came out I remember reading into. this though though they it was like the. that the right um sorry frame like frame. 313 or something like that that hadn't. been seen they did have it as a PR film. and they posted a lot of it in in uh. screenshots in like life in Life. Magazine cuz Life Magazine owned it but. they left some of it out and then. somehow or another Dick Gregory acquired. it and that was around 75 and that's. when he aired it on television. and when he he it on television it just. opened up everyone's eyes they're like.

well that anyone who' ever seen anything. get shot knows that when you get hit. with something from the back you don't. go back towards the shot the impact. throws the head back you see the spray. of the bullets and it appears he's. getting hit multiple times from multiple. angles what's your what's your feeling. on it then I mean you've looked into it. you're a big conspiracy guy but what who. do you think orchestrated Jeff K's. that's a good question I mean Tucker. Carlson came out on television said that. CIA killed Kennedy and I think that's. probably one of the reasons why he get.

removed from Fox um I don't know who did. it I I really would be I would be I'm. amazed has like a deathbed confession or. something because I mean conspiracy more. broadly you kind of go well it involves. s cognitive distance wasn't there a. deathbed confession from E Howard hunt I. say there was something but yeah I think. it was e Howard hunt Okay who was one of. the people that was supposedly on the. grassy null there's uh Woody Harrelson's. father was supposed to be uh involved in. this too was apparently a Hitman there.

was uh according to the lure the last. confessions of e Howard hunt yeah the. ultimate Keeper Of Secrets regarding who. killed G JFK and I think yeah that's. that's how you keep a secret a. pipe he I think on his death B he said. that he was involved in the The. Conspiracy to kill the president I don't. know who was involved I mean I think it. was probably a bunch of people there was. a lot of people that wanted Kennedy out. of there I mean he wanted some pretty. radical changes he wanted to disband the. intelligence agencies he thought that. secrecy was abor and he you know talked.

about it openly and this one speech that. he gave about secret societies and and. he well it's it's odd that thing for me. I mean I'm kind of thinking about maybe. doing a bit about this about saying look. because it involves two thoughts you. you've got to believe the government are. there's a deep state that sort of. geniuses and can cover these things up. and you know fake a moon landing and. also the government are idiots they. can't organize. anything what I want to do say the. government right because the government. is a blanket that's like saying drugs.

drugs are bad well I'm drinking coffee. and it's not bad everybody drinks coffee. but that thing of like going what we. need is some of those guys from the deep. State over here for a week to deal with. the regular [ __ ] we need someone on. Transit duties we need someone from the. deep state to look at hospitals well in. a lot of ways those are more complex. issues than assassinating someone and. covering it up because back then again. there's you it's not like information. today where people have like everyone. has a cell phone like if you if the.

Kennedy assassination happened today. there would be footage from a hundred. different angles yes there'd be so many. people there and we would we high. resolution footage it is amazing but it. was just because he was so important and. back then you know there were a few. people that were enthusiasts that had. their own. personal the thing I guess with with. conspiracy is it some of it's true like. the biggest conspiracy I think probably. of our lifetime was pedophilia in the. Catholic Church yeah was like that was I. remember that being talked about when I. was a kid think my mother was crazy.

Jimmy Saville just hiding in plain sight. crazy is that and that guy looks like a. pedophile I mean he looked like such a. [ __ ] creep here's the story I heard. on Jimmy s which is interesting he had a. big show on TV called jiml fix it yeah. which was him making dreams come true. for kids or whatever you know they'd. write in with a wish and he'd make them. come through but he had that nickname. before so he was kind of a fixer you. know invented the the the turntable the. the two two record players together the.

that turntable oh like for a DJ like for. a DJ he invented the the Dual turntable. yeah I mean not all bad pretty much all. bad. 99.99% bad bad real bad yeah what was my. joke about him he was the uh it's a very. British joke but Jimmy sael the only man. in human history to have [ __ ] more. miners than Thatcher oh that requires. quite a lot of information about about. mining. what did to the Min and also it's a long.

way to good J though yeah but the uh. yeah no he was hiding in plain and was. part of the establishment yeah but I. think that thing of like going the story. I I was told was he was kind of. connected very high up because of what. he did in terms of fixing things like so. the guy that are you familiar with the. perfumo affair no the so it was the idea. that the the minister uh for I think the. ministry of defense was having he was he. was having an affair with a lady who was. also Christine Keeler who was also.

having an affair with a Russian agent ah. and she had been procured by this other. guy who then got um. assassinated or they think got. assassinated and so I think the story I. heard was Jimmy sa had a similar role. for procuring certain things for certain. people interesting so I wonder what he. was doing for the police or for the. Secret Service that gave him what gave. him right that that ability to immunity. total IMM well that's what's the really. scary idea is that there's a ring of.

people that are pedophiles that's what. terrifies people that there's a ring of. powerful people that that's the you know. if you want to go full queing on tinf. foil hat that's but I think is like I I. presume Jimmy Sala was acting alone I. mean I presume that's but. why but why why why you pres I don't. know I mean what if other people were. also involved what if other people were. also doing the same thing oh it's a.

terrifying thing there there's the. there's a similar case in America with. sanduski you know who uh Jerry sanduski. he's the uh the coach that did a lot of. things with kids and work with kids and. everybody had this image that he was. this great guy yeah when it turns out. the entire time he had been molesting. kids it's pretty horrific isn't it yeah. it's horrific but that's often the role. they play the role they play as well. they have to. where they're close to yes yes which is.

like Boy Scout Masters and Priests which. is you know it's a terrible thing. because you something like the scouts. which is very good for kids to go and. play together and learn those things and. those skills it's a great organization. and yet that's absolutely [ __ ] ruined. it that's the first thing you think of. now yes when you think of the scouts. well the Catholic church is the greatest. example of that right I mean you cannot. say Catholic priest without someone. thinking pedophile there's no other. occupation on Earth that has such a. connection to to pedophilia yeah he so. someone was talking to me about the the.

history of the Catholic church and what. happened and the idea of the thing that. turned the Catholic Church bad was the. plague really so the plague hit in the. Middle Ages and before then the priest. was the smartest guy you'd ever met the. smartest guy in the town became a could. read this guy could could read this guy. can read there just shapes on a page to. us but like had access to books was. reading was was the most erudite.

brilliant guy the bishop was even. smarter than that the pope was a genius. great so the plague happens and the. plague wipes out I think it's a third of. the European population but it might. have been more than that and it wiped. out a third of regular people but it. wiped out 90% of priests because priests. had to give last rights oh so they were. around the plague more than regular. people I need the last rights I'm dying. okay then he dies right so the barrier. to entry for getting into to the. priesthood went from you got to be great.

to ah you seem to have all your own. teeth and you can string a sentence. together you'll be great so all of that. stuff that comes after Downstream of. that like the you plener indulgences. this thing where you could buy your way. into heaven in the Middle Ages you could. sort of pay someone to go yeah you make. sure I'm okay when I get there though. that kind of nonsense came along. afterwards when the when the it had all. kind of come corruption yeah the. corruption and the interesting yeah I. had heard heard that it was connected to. celibacy and that initially there was no.

celibacy Clause they weren't they. weren't came in the Middle Ages so it. was that thing of they wanted to be more. like Christ so they they who was. celibate and so they want well I'm going. to be you know one priest said well I'm. going to be more like him live like. Christ I'm going to be celibate not have. a wife and then that kind of took off as. an idea that's interesting because what. I had heard in the Ang they were banging. all the women because the priests were. rock stars I mean if you if have a. community where the priest is literally.

connected to God and he's a biological. male and he's horny and these women. worshiped them and came to them for it's. it's the original show business I mean. if we were if we were doing if we were. who we are in the 13th century 100%. priests or g i i can get up in front of. these people and talk to them for an. hour a week right done right yes put me. down for one of those right and they'd. seek guidance from you You' get all. these accolades and apparently they were. allowed to have sex with women and they. were [ __ ] everybody yeah just like.

rock stars because they were probably. the most popular people in the town the. other thing that tie that's very. interesting the other thing that ties it. to um like there's there's often been. and it's a very unpleasant thing but. there's often been a conflation between. homosexuality and pedophilia which is so. it's just [ __ ] nonsense they're very. it's nonsense it's nonsense but it it. keeps on kind of rearing its head in a. weird way but there is something with. the Catholic Church where it's hard to. remember how vilified gay guys were a.

generation ago let alone two generations. ago yeah well very recently in the '90s. in it's it's crazy but it's true so. there's a weird thing where Okay so. let's say you were a gay guy in I don't. know 189 you knew you were gay when you. were 14 or whatever like everyone else. is getting married and going off and you. go g the priesthood was a smart move. because you want well I don't have to. get married and I know I'm not about. that so I'll join the priesthood so you. joined the priesthood you were a gay guy.

there were other gay guys that had the. idea great right now here's the weird. thing pedophilia was the same level sin. in the eyes of the church at that level. so one covered for the other it was all. you were all damned and going to hell it. was all terrible which is. obviously some [ __ ] nonsense but yeah. yeah well there's also there's a. different attitude toward towards uh. same. seex uh minors and adults that is with.

some people in the gay community in fact. there was a law that they were trying to. pass in California where they were. saying that the age of consent being 18. was in somehow or another uh anti-. LBGTQ because some yeah because some. young men sought mentors in older gay. men some young young men who are gay. that sounds like wasn't there there was. a was his Klein is that what his name.

there's a a politician in California. that was very controversial because he. was promoting this very controversial. because he's promoting pedophilia yeah. that's going to be controversial well I. think his idea was like 16 and 17year. old boys and that that should be okay. which is you know gets gets very sketchy. because that sounds. Also let's wind it back here's something. that we could do right here's something. we could start a campaign for those laws. about you know at the age of consent in. the UK is 16 yeah but those laws should.

be for 17 and 18 year old boys yes they. shouldn't apply to us right it shouldn't. apply to a 55y old man so Romeo and. Juliet law I think they have it in New. York they have it in certain states. where you go yeah that's the age of. consent is 16 for her and that guy who's. 17 and it's her boyfriend and they've. come up at school together that makes. sense and then at 18. maybe okay go do whatever you're going. to do I remember that would make a lot. more sense to me years old when I turned. 18 my girlfriend was a year younger than.

me and she was 17 and I was terrified. that I was going to go to jail because I. was I was a legal adult and she was. still a child right even though we. started dating when uh I was 16 or I was. I was yeah no I was 17 and she was 16. and then when I turned 18 I was like oh. my God like could I get in jail for this. I remember thinking that like is this. illegal cuz it kind of technically is I.

think if you're dating a girl like that. I mean this is 1985 so so Gavin Nome. signed a law that could give judges a. say on whether to list someone as a sex. offender for having oral or an anal sex. with a minor the bill would expand. discretion currently granted judges and. statutory rape charges as promoted by. bringing fairness under the law to LBGTQ. defendants the current law in place for. decades permits judges to decide whether. a man should be placed on California's. sex offender registry if he had.

voluntary intercourse with someone from. 14 to 17 years old and was no more than. 10 years older than the person right I'm. I'm I don't want to I don't want to come. to your show and be all controversial. but I think broadly speaking don't be a. pedophile right I think that's a good. thing to say but that discretion it says. only applied to a man who had vaginal. intercourse the new law changes permits. uh uh change the new change rather. permits judges to use the same. discretion when the case involves. voluntary oral or anal sex the measure.

won't apply when a minor is under 14. when the Gap is larger than 10 years or. when either party says the sex wasn't. consensual the law does not change the. age of consent in California which is 18. adults caus caused caught having sex. with minors will still face statutory. rape charges yeah Scott weiner that's. the guy San Francisco Democrat so this. guy great name for the GU yeah isn't it. funny how those weener guys keep getting. in trouble Anthony Weiner Scott weiner. um n determinism it's a thing it's it's.

like the simulation Theory it's like the. universe is playing little jokes on you. it's like yeah like but this guy like. there's photos of this guy at gay pride. parades like wearing a dog collar like. you know he's. that's got zero problem with that I got. a problem with him saying his quote on. it I think the article continued I. didn't the law ends discrimination by. treating LBGTQ young people the exact. same way that straight young people been. treated since 1944 weiner said in a. statement adding today California took.

yet another step towards Equitable. Society so what that seems to me is like. there was a law already in place giving. judges discretion but it was only for. vaginal sex and he thought that it. should apply to oral and anal sex yeah. it seems like the law is the issue right. because 10 years old like if someone's. 26 another person's 16 like or 15 and. 25 that's CRA I mean there's a reason. why it's 18 like 18 is like reasonable. you know and I think you have to give. people agency at some point at some. point you have to give people agency and. go look you're allowed to make your own.

decisions now do as you please yes I. mean you are certainly a young person at. 18 but if you're a young man at 18 and. you decide to have sex with a man who's. 30 years old like that's completely. reasonable I think it's also you know. try telling an 18-year-old they're not. right ground I mean it's a weird thing I. wonder in the future because the mind. your your brain isn't fully developed I. think it's 25 well 25 is the age your. frontal cortex is fully formed I believe. as a male I think for female females.

like mentally mature earlier than men. too there's what age it is but that. they're generally smarter than men when. I wonder in a generation's time will. everyone go sorry you were [ __ ] a 21y. old I wonder will it ever go the other. way that seems silly that seems. especially men and women I mean if it's. a 21-year old man and a 30-year-old. woman has sex with you she's going to be. brought up on charges that's insane yeah. you had that great bit about that yeah I. said there's no sexual equality when it. comes to child molesting I said because.

a grown man can molest a 16-year-old. girl but a grown woman can't really. molest a 16-year-old boy she can only. let him [ __ ] her like what's the worst. thing that happened you found out about. something awesome early like poor Billy. got his dick sucked by the hot teacher. yeah he's never going to recover it's a. very good a and we're not denigrating. the suffering of men that have been. molested but it's always Martin had a. great line on that as well about some. guy that [ __ ] his teacher and Demitri. said yeah he died he got high-fived to.

death I think that was Zack galanakis. was that Zack I think so I think it's. Demitri you might be right I'll double I. mean those guys are both phenomenal. writers I think it might have been. galanakis but uh either way great joke. but it's high five to death but it's you. there it's a difference there's a. difference and it's also the difference. in how we it's unfortunate but there's a. there's a a there's a Prejudice about. women having sex versus men having sex.

that with a woman is being taken. advantage of by the man like that they. don't have agency whereas the man is the. pursuer and the predator and so there's. there's an aspect of that that goes. along with it you know that a male like. we we don't think of a 16-year-old boy. having sex with a hot 30-year-old woman. as like that boy being molested we just. don't yeah well I I suppose you know. increasingly you know we will I haven't. given it a lot of thought but it's it.

does strike me that that thing of like. agency and being 18 and being a a grown. up in society yeah I suppose the problem. is that thing that what's that book um. is it Jonathan hate the the codling of. the American mind the idea of going if. there's no freedom for kids anymore like. you're not allowed to go and play on. your own you're not allowed to leave the. house and mess around and you know the. only Freedom you have now as a kid is. online so you're not allowed to go. experience that thing of being out in. the world in danger yeah and knowing.

what's what's safe and what's not safe. and having experiences with people that. are sketchy so then if you don't get any. of that until you're 18 and then. suddenly you get all of that but you've. not been drip FedEd right like that. thing of like I know what your childhood. was like we were pretty um you know grew. up in slow quite sort of working class. uh to the west of London and we were we. were a nice little bit and we would go. out on bikes in the morning and you. would come back for your dinner in the. evening you would just be out for the. day I don't think yeah my my childhood I.

don't know if that exists no that's like. almost like child abuse it's almost like. you know neglecting your parental duties. just let your kid just roam out of the. house and come back at dinner 14year. olds used to be babysitters now 14y olds. need babysitters and I don't think. anything's changed about Humanity so I. think the idea that you go you have. agency at 18 but like we we it goes from. not to 60 yes in one day right that's. good point and like the drinking age is.

21 here is it's 18 at home but you go. well actually it kind of everyone. assumes in the UK you going to drink a. little bit when you're 14 in the park. with your friends a little bit of that. the different levels of experience of. people that are 16 and 17 years old like. when I was in high school uh the first. girlfriend that I had she had a single. mom and she was essentially on her own. and left to roam around from the time. she was very young and she had been. going to concerts when she was 12 and 13. years old and she' already had sex. before I had I had like she was a year.

younger than me when we met I was a. virgin and she wasn't and so it was it. was you know she was more worldly and. mature than I was like she knew how to. go to concerts she knew how to get. backstage and meet people the idea that. was say you know an age like 18 every 18. you oh that's just a yeah solid state. everyone's the same everyone's different. everyone comes to it from a very. different perspective people mature at. different speeds it's very I mean. there's there'll be young people. listening to this as well it's that. thing where it seems like such a race.

when you're young yes to to kind of to. get there to do everything to be grown. up and you feel like you need to make. all the decisions yeah when you're 19. about okay which college degree what am. I going to do in life what am I going to. it's a panic well that's what's so. predatory about America because that's. when student loans come in and you get. Shackled up with these student loans. that you can never get out of debt with. student loans in America I don't know. how you have it in UK you have free. health or free education right no we we. used to have free education so when I.

went to college it was free you had to. pay for your kind of bed and board and. it was free I went to University I got a. free education it feels ridiculous that. we let that. go ridiculous maybe it's like okay so. it's it's if it's too expensive then I. can see an argument to say well on. academic Merit we cut the number of. places until we can afford for it to be. free. but it's free for free for everyone well. it certainly benefits the greater good.

of society to have more people educated. and and what what greater thing to spend. tax dollars on than to educate the. population it's Fant there how could you. make an argument against it and with the. predatory loans in America the way it. works is like say if you start a. business and you take out a big loan to. start a business and your business fails. and you're you know hundreds of. thousands of dollars in debt you can go. bankrupt yeah and then you're absolved. of that debt if you get a student loan. you are are never absolved of that debt. you must pay that debt and the interest.

keeps increasing over time you know what. I'm hearing here what we need to get. into the student debt business this. feels like the [ __ ] you can't you think. you're making money in comedy on on. podcasts please the real money is in. student debt and it's pushed on people. because everybody feels like they have. to go to college or they're going to be. a loser and there's people right now in. America that are getting Social Security. money and their Social Security money is. getting docked because they owe student. loans so you're at the end of. someone made a point recently about a. college degree now is a luxury good it's.

like a Louis Vuitton handbag so you get. the you get the you get the luxury good. but what can you do with it what's the. benefit CU well it really depends on the. degree right some things like medical. degree yeah you need a degree engineer. that but if it's if it's just an Arts. gender studies then you go well what are. you going to do with that like the map. is not the territory yeah who would. rather employ you know someone with an. NBA or someone who's got two failed.

startups failed startups please you know. someone that's been in the trenches and. tried it and done it you know so I think. that thing of I don't know what advice. you would give an 18-year-old today but. it would really depend upon what they. want to do and what I mean I'm the the. worst person to give that advice because. I knew very because of my childhood and. the way I grew up very unstable divorced. parents step dad move to a new place all. the time I was terrified of rigidity I.

was terrified of a job I I just I really. felt like a loser because I felt like. all these people can keep jobs why why. do I hate them so much because it's it's. interesting what I see in you and I. don't know you that well personally but. I I see your work and the the thing. flowing through it is discipline. discipline and freedom seem to be the. two things and you go those things have. been separated in our minds discipline. and freedom are not the same they're.

exactly the same discipline gives you. Freedom yeah that's Jacko willink that's. what he says but displine equals Freedom. exactly right right so that idea of. going well you it's martial arts is all. discipline it's stand up which I know is. all discipline it's all it everyone's. got ideas everyone talks a good game. it's in the execution it's in doing it. so that thing of like going couldn't. hold down a job but I mean you're pretty. good at showing up to stuff well was I. realized later that it was just I wasn't. interested in those things and what I. was terrified of is being forced to do.

something that I wasn't interested. forever and I saw so many people that. they would just wait until they got home. every night and just get drunk and then. do it all over again in the morning and. then their bodies were deteriorating and. they all wound up getting cancer and. getting sick and they all died young and. it was just it was sad and depressing. and and well I mean it's it's work to. live as opposed to live to work yes so. your thing is you know it's it's work is. the fun stuff it's all the stuff that. you're passionate about you try and make. that your career that's very good advice.

for anyone that's young listening to. this like what are you interested in. what do you pay attention to do that do. that what you know because that 10,000. hours thing it slightly loses the what. could you stand to do for 10,000 hours. 10,000 hours is the minimum I don't. think there's any Mastery in 10,000. hours right but I think you become a. professional at 10,000 hours yeah well. with me I just I when I got into martial. artarts then I realized like oh I'm not.

lazy I'm just not interested in those. other things and then when I got into. martial arts I was extremely disciplined. like fanatically like I I trained every. day I literally lived at the gym but I. taught this is you're preaching to the. choir you can't beat your environment no. and that thing of like finding your. tribe finding your thing so a lot of. people that are lost just haven't found. their tribe their thing it's hard if you. haven't found it yet cuz you kind of go. well it's easy for you to say you found. it I was also not around people that.

were following their passions everyone. that I was around was working you know. we lived in a blue collar community and. it was surrounded by a white collar. community and there people that had all. worked really hard got a very good. education and got a respectable job. either as a doctor or a lawyer an. accountant or whatever and they had a. wonderful home and they they work well. but I looked at them as like these. deteriorating vessels of Flesh that were. barely getting by in the world and I. didn't want to do what they were doing. and I didn't know until I got into.

martial arts that there were people that. were doing different things and that. they were surviving and thriving. teaching something that they loved and. so that was my path my path was. competition and teaching it's. interesting the teaching thing because. if I think of your stand-up career MH. you go you've done what you've done in. standup and now you're building a club. and you know you've lowered a rope and. you're pulling people up well was also I. learned how to talk in front of people. because I was painfully shy and socially.

awkward as a kid like I would get I'd. have like anxiety going to a bank teller. like that I was going to have to talk to. the bank teller I remember that like. what is wrong with me I remember being. like 16 years old having to deposit a. check and just being so nervous getting. up to the teller yeah and I don't think. that's you I think that's being 16 yeah. think I think being a teenager is about. being slightly uncomfortable in your own. skin and and deciding who you're going. to be yeah slightly I worry for the. future Generations coming up now because.

of Facebook because something like. Facebook connects you to your past in a. way that we don't have So I reinvented. myself a couple of times yes me too like. I was 16 and I moov schools and it seems. like a trivial thing to move school from. one grammar school to another grammar. school kind of who cares but it it just. allowed me to kind of go oh I I didn't. really behave that well at that school I. kind of messed around yes I was n doell. and then I got to the new one and went I. think I might go to Cambridge I think I.

might be really academic and every. everyone went okay right okay yeah no. that's Jimmy he's a [ __ ] loser right. yeah when I would go back towards my um. when I would go back to my town that I. grew up in later in life if I'd visit I. would get nervous and when I'd go near. my high school I'd feel terrible I used. to have nightmares that I'd have to go. back to school like I didn't really. graduate and i' had to go back isn't. that a lovely feeling in standup that. was a couple of years in and I realized. I'm never going to have I'm never going. to need my resume again it's done like.

no one's ever going to care about my. exam results again no one will ever it's. a very freeing thing to go that was that. was great but none of that matters. anymore. yeah yeah yeah and I you know I wasn't. interested in academic things at all I. just I I read a lot but I everything I. read was fiction and I would only read. because I was on the train getting to. the Taekwondo school I found I used to. read fiction voraciously and when I. started doing comedy I stopped I didn't.

need the stories anymore interesting now. I read non-fiction voraciously but I. like non-fiction but I don't feel like I. need the stories cuz I'm doing something. creative I think it was that part of me. that that wanted that is like I've got. an outlet now I found the outlet yes. which is you know God you'd love that. for everyone wouldn't you I would love. that for everyone I would love it for. everyone to be able to do something that. excites them whether it's making tables. or knives or you know building houses. like whatever the thing is that really. gets you and hard unforunately a lot of.

people don't find that yeah yeah well it. is hard to find I mean it's a very it's. a life's journey there's two great. adventures in life one is you finding. what you want to do and the second is. doing it and tragically most people. don't get to do either right you want. that for everyone especially if you get. captured early and that's what I was. talking about with the student loan. thing you get trapped in debt and then. you're on this path to a career and then. if along the way someone says hey uh. have you ever thought about doing comedy. and you're like oh my God I'm so tired.

when I get out of here I just want to go. have a meal and go to sleep and and. you're thinking about you know like. finding a woman and settle down and. having kids thing when I used to work. for a Big Oil Company like oh really. when I was in my mids I worked for Shell. Oil I was in marketing for shell and I. very nearly bought a place I very nearly. bought a flat and that thing of the. things you own end up owning you oh yeah. I think I'd still be there it would have. been a good life I mean not this life. but it would have been good but that.

thing of the good is the enemy of the. best I think people now I 18 to 21 going. you should be taking risks big risks big. swings because you should also be. surrounded by people that are also doing. the same so you can learn from each. other if you're a a lone person on an. island out there taking risks it's very. difficult to assess whether or not. you're on the right path or whether or. not it's viable yeah one of the. beautiful things about standup and one. of the things I love about the club is. all these young Risk Takers around.

people that are the same and that are. maybe 10 years ahead of them and we talk. all the time you know I ask them like. you doing gigs like you doing the road. like what's going on how you doing like. are you working how often do you write I. always think that thing of going to. Young Comics uh how many shows it's like. because it's like airline pilots we're. like airline pilots it's not really. about how many years you've been doing. comedy right it's about it's you know. when you talk to an airline pilot they. tell you how many hours they got in sky. and I feel hours on stage how many shows. you done yes that's the thing I'm like.

250 on the year yeah and I feel like. okay I'm in I'm in a Groove yes like. it's that thing of like your match fit. for this thing one of the things that we. found in LA um is that like when when I. was doing The Comedy Store and The. Improv and the The Ice House and going. back and forth and I was doing you know. Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and then I'd. go on the road Friday and Saturday you. get this Groove where you just kind of. know how to make something funny and so.

it's easier to create new material as. well you get this you get you hit this. vibration and then if I had to take time. off that's one of the things that I. found that was terrifying during Co is I. took like four months off you know. because everything was shut down and. then I came to Texas to do shows uh I. first did the uh Houston Improv and that. was in July so March everything was shut. down in July only Texas and a couple. other places were allowing you to do. shows and I came out here to do shows.

and I had to listen to recordings and. sorry four months crime a river we did. about a year and a half in the UK theat. in the United States they did most. places did that in in New York you had. to be vaccinated to go to the clubs that. was like a year later Los Angeles was a. year and a half you you know the. Gratitude here the Gratitude is it. brought you to Austin yes it brought you. to this place you set up your own club. you've got this community around you. people have come out with you it feels. like like it's a you know the Silver. Lining on that terrible time well it. wasn't a terrible time it was a time of.

change and it was also a time of. realization that oh my God the power. went out I guess whoever that Jimmy Savo. gu's got more power than you [ __ ]. recording no it seems like we're the. mics are still on yeah do we hit a. circuit breaker or something everything. except for my main audio is still. recording so the video still recording. yeah interesting exciting um what should. we do here this is fun um do this. five uh what do you think it is huh you. think it's uh circuit breakers I think.

it's the Deep oh they're back we're back. yeah I think the Deep state are on to us. talking too much [ __ ] I like what you. said about the cedy assassination oh I. tell you the other thing I was going to. say about reset it okay should we pause. well pause no I mean I'm trying are we. recording or not I can fix it we can. have a conversation even if we're not. recording it you know that right well. maybe I'll take a pee should take a pee. a good time take a pee we'll figure it. out sounds good all right this is fun. man it's very fun. what are we what are we chatting about I.

don't remember before the I don't uh. people following their dreams how. difficult it is it is hard etc etc. taking risks yeah it is it's like it's. also it's it's so confusing as a young. person where the path is not clearly. laid out and you don't know what choice. to make and what one choice could be. disastrous one choice could be. advantageous well I think as well those. things of like there's certain. professions and I hope comedy in a. generation becomes like like being a. musician you can see what to do but it's.

not like being a being a doctor now it's. a very hard thing to do to be a doctor. but you always know what the next step. is MH and with being a professional. comedian it's sometimes very difficult. to know how to get in that first rung of. the ladder yes but taking the risk. taking a shot like it's that thing of. like making kind taking risks on things. that are reversible as opposed to. irreversible yes having a kid. irreversible decision if you have a kid. it's a big commitment that's forever. great uh lots of things people worry. about like giving up their job and you. go yeah just give up your job you find. another job so terrified that someone.

else is going to get ahead of them. there's other folks that are in the same. position and you're going to take two. years off and come back and they'll be. your boss now and well that thing I wish. I'd heard it earlier in life that thing. of like you're only in competition with. you last. year that thing of like I'm trying to. work on this thing at the moment I cheat. to my friend um Chris Williamson who. does that wisdom always he's amazing um. we're chatting about like what's the I. think there might be a book idea in this. like I'm trying to live for me in 24. hours time I'm trying to do things today.

that I'll be happy I did tomorrow it's. that that very simplistic short time. scale like living for the future self. yeah like you you can give yourself. gifts in the future so I'm now like. trying to do a thing like just super. simple trying to try new jokes at every. single show doesn't matter where I'm. doing a gig doesn't matter how big the. gig get out a notepad and do jokes at. the end at the end of 90 minutes do some. new [ __ ] see see what works because. that's the thing that makes you have to. write new stuff today right have to have. some stuff to do tonight at the. mothership have to it forces you all.

that thing of like I'm not going to eat. that because I'm going to feel terrible. tomorrow yes I think like the future is. I didn't get that till recently there's. an interesting um thing about God is the. future God is an analogy for the. future work hard now for a better life. in the future so that was have a good. life here so Paradise but that lesson is. the whole of self help is the whole of. what you know hard choices now Easy Life. later yeah but there's also this thought.

that one day you're going to get. somewhere and you'll air quotes made it. and that's not real either even though. if you're successible you're still just. on this path but getting there isn't. half the fun it's all the fun yeah it's. the that thing of like going why why do. I want to put together a course on. standup comedy why do I want to go and. play Arenas Now isn't it enough well no. because I want to feel outside my. comfort zone I want to feel like I'm. beginning again again I want to feel. like I'm on a road going somewhere again. and when I get there there'll be another.

place to go yes so that thing of like. going you've you you know you built this. thing there'll be there'll be a next. there'll be something else you need to. do and it's also I don't know how to. pronounce it I think it's either teic or. telic but there's tiic and anti-ck it's. how I'm saying it I've only ever seen it. written down but that thing of like. tasks Without End and tasks with an end. tasks with an end kind of depressing I. mean they're great you're in the. trenches you're doing something together. you finish the ah yes it's kind of.

depressing like finishing school is kind. of ah yeah but a task Without End like. being a stand-up comedian trying to be a. better stand-up comedian mhm so if. there's a Mount Rushmore of. Comedy we could be two faces on that. we're not we could be at some stage yeah. that that feels like it's the. never-ending task of going could you be. better at this yeah because there are. people doing it better than me yeah and. that's what of the beautiful things. about people that are doing it better. than you that's so inspirational and I. love it I mean that thing of like you go.

and see any show yeah if it's terrible. you get something from it if like if I. go and see a show and it's genuinely ter. terrible writing but he sold it I go. well that performance I could learn. something it's often the people you. dismiss early on like if someone wants. to be a professional comedian and they. go I don't like that comedian yeah I go. are you ready to be a. professional like I care what you like. what did you learn learn it's it's can. you see what they did can you see and. it's often the thing that you're bad at.

is the thing that they do so well mhm. it's like for years I didn't really get. Charming cuz I work on Charisma so so. Charming for me is like the guy didn't. have anything right but then you look at. charm you look at how people because I. think those words are conflated in our. worlds Right charm and Charisma mhm but. like Donald Trump is charismatic yes. Obama is. charming uh Charisma is you come to me. charm is I come to you Obama's look at. his speech pattern his head to the side.

he's like this super welcoming we're. going to find Common Ground here Trump. is you come no matter what you think of. them politically one is one one is the. other Angelina Jolie is charismatic. Jennifer Aniston is. charming they both get to [ __ ] Brad Pit. they're both great things but knowing. what you are strikes me as a very. important part of again another reason. to study standup ComEd is like you find. out who you are find out what your voice. is what kind of what do you work onh.

what's your what's your thing if I try. and be Charming it comes across as. SMI because I don't have that gear yeah. it's yeah interesting yeah it is. interesting and I think there's also you. know there's a real unfortunate aspect. of stand-up comedy where people don't. like when other people are doing well. there's some people that don't like. Comics cuz they don't like other people. doing well it's almost like they wish. that they were the only one doing doing. well there is that strange. issue I I mean stupid like there's.

there's a little bit of that. occasionally but I mean Beyond a certain. level here's look around if you're. making a living as a stand-up comic. congratulations you made it if you're. not as rich and famous as you think you. should be well you don't even know what. game you're. playing we're all in this we're all. doing the same job it's all incredible. the idea that we're literally living off. our wits yes and how few of us there are.

I mean there's there's no one doing this. that's why I think it's like Virgin. Territory it's like imagine if there was. like a hundred musicians that have. released an. album that's how many people with like a. special that's gone Global yeah maybe a. 100 might might be more might be 200 but. that's it's not many not many you kind. of get to be the first in this is the. ground floor M mhm and that thing of uh. when and when you think about Humanity I. read this uh I read this book recently.

um David Deutsch the beginning of. infinity and it's like it blew my mind. it was the idea that there's been a 100. billion people so far right and there's. N9 billion people currently or close to. and there might be trillions in the. future there might be because we found. this meme that is the scientific method. and maybe we could go into. interplanetary and maybe Humanity could. expand Beyond this universe even maybe.

we could get somewhere maybe physics. delivers and we get to a new place and. there could be generation upon. generation upon. generation well we're still at the. ground level of this thing where people. find a voice and find a perspective on. things and it's called stand-up comedy. it's kind of an American medium and it's. new this this is what it must have felt. like in the jazz clubs in the 30s this. is yeah how EXC is his life you go and. when someone says to me oh but that. comedian he's playing a bigger room than.

me and he's sold out faster yeah oh [ __ ]. off yeah [ __ ] off you can [ __ ] all the. way off you get to do this who gets to. do this yeah it's so silly like I mean. there's people listening to this podcast. with real jobs who are working to live. and God [ __ ] bless them yeah and I. hope for them all of them no matter what. age they are that thing of like they get. to do something that that fulfills them. yeah that makes them truly happy and.

they get to it's not even do something. to be it's to be not to do yeah I think. you are a standup comic that's your job. that's your role and you meet all these. other incredible people along the road. and they're so different and that thing. that you're doing is a vehicle for. developing your human potential as you. get better at that thing and you. understand what it takes you can apply. that to all aspects of your life yeah I. wrote like a a self-help book. based on standup comedy really yeah like. well they they paid me to write an. autobiography in the in the in basically.

in the lockdown in the UK we had choices. our managers all called us and they said. look you can start a podcast or you can. write a book and I took the gentleman's. option I wrote a book good luck with. this let's see if it works out um I. wrote a book and I wrote like this. before and laugh I called it uh the uh. uh and it was like a self-help thing of. going well what stand-ups taught me me. cuz it did make me a better person it's. like yes the the the if you think about. what what's the core skill it's patent.

recognition like oh that's strange I've. noticed a pattern there like jokes are. very simple patterns like the rule of. three joke is the shortest pattern you. could get mhm and it's all pattern. recognition noticing difference and it. rewards what do it reward or verbal. dexterity I mean I we've both avoided. any hard work in our lives through. verbal dexterity yeah [ __ ] terrific. it's amazing long may it last I've never. done a day's work I've done a lot of. days work which is make would one of the.

things that makes me appreciate it yeah. I it's interesting that thing I worked. till I was maybe uh 25 um advertising. and marketing or whatever and uh I do. still think that's a it's a very. valuable thing it is because it makes. you realize what you don't want to do. yeah I did a lot of construction jobs. when I was a kid and uh that will wake. you up to what real hard work is you. know I spent an entire summer building a. ramp a wheelchair ramp at a nights at. Columbus Hall so the entire summer I.

carried cement bags and pressure treated. lumber and it was in the hot sun in the. summer and I would get out of there and. I'd go to the gym at night and I was. exhausted I couldn't train I was so. tired and I just every day you'd go to. the gym at night after carrying cement. bags all day yeah I had to I was train I. was competing still so I was still. fighting and so I was going that feels. like that feels like a training sequence. from Rocky 3 is that the one with the. Russian well yeah he's training in high.

tech you've gone back to. logs it wasn't making me stronger it was. it was making my resolve to not work. stronger it was making me realize like. there's got to be a better way to make. money I can't do this because this was. physically exhausting and boring it. wasn't something I enjoyed doing it was. boring it sucked you were in the sun all. day and also I was not good at. recognizing that you had to stay. hydrated and take vitamins and take care. of your body I was just like eating. Subway sandwiches and drinking Coca-Cola. I wasn't but that's that's what your 20s.

is for sure yeah and no one seems to. know that early on no one seems to grasp. it and it doesn't matter how much you. tell young people like yeah I'll be fine. yeah you have to learn but but those. hard Jobs made me realize like this. could be your life if you don't take a. chance if you don't really go for it but. it's that thing if you go someone told. me this thing recently about the. difference between ambition and. entitlement. and it's okay so it's where you are now. and where you want to be and if you want.

to do something about it and you're. going to do something about it that's. ambition MH and if you think someone. else should that's. entitlement and giving people agency. High agency people and giving them like. the power to do that is what the whole. school system should be set up to do. yeah and teaching people that the. difference between those things and that. you are not doing enough you may think. that you're doing enough and that you. should be receiving more but you get. what you deserve for the most part well.

I mean that that's very Kan and very. biblical it's very Kane and abble the. idea of you know Cain's sacrifice wasn't. enough MH uh and then he's bitter and. resentful of that and that resentment. thing is like it's a great line on. resentment like if you think you know. that guy jealous of another comedian. doing better whatever cim me a river but. that thing of like resentment is you. think someone else has ruined your life. and you're right someone has it's you. yeah it's that quote all criticism is. the tragic result of unmet.

needs now hang on yeah give me a second. with that yeah it's more complicated. than that the actual quote is longer. cool what's what that's fantastic but. it's perfect that that snippet of it is. absolutely perfect because that's what a. lot of the the reason why most people. criticize is because they feel like. someone has something they don't deserve. and they wish obviously there's. criticism for people that are doing. something terrible or doing something. badly or just like just ruining. something well I had like I had this. theory about envy and jealousy and I I.

don't mind which word you use for which. but for me I would say uh Envy is very. good jealousy is very bad so Envy if you. tells you what you want like what's the. most what's the most fundamental. question in life it's what do you want. right cu cu other I mean no wind is. favorable if you don't know what. direction you're going in yes so it's. that Envy sometimes you see someone on. stage and you go I want that I want to. be the guy on stage yes great okay so. now we know what we want we're going to. move towards that and who knows how but.

we're going to try yes okay jealousy is. when you don't want someone else to have. what they've got MH right that's not. anything that's just well you recogniz. is bad feeling and the bad feeling is. the jealousy the bad feeling is you wish. you had what that person has so instead. of like looking at the reality of your. existence in your life and whether or. not you deserve it or whether you put. the work in or whether or not you've. achieved a level of proficiency that. would allow you to get that you just. want it and they have it and you're mad. at them because they make you feel bad.

it's like dumb guys that wind up hating. women because they keep getting rejected. so they associate women with negative. feelings and bad feelings CU these women. reject them so they decide they hate. women rather than just becoming a yeah. becoming someone that someone would want. to be attracted to yeah someone was. worth being around someone who someone. would want to have a relationship with. yes I mean kind and caring yeah it's a. weird thing women are looking for kind. and caring men and men are looking for.

people with big tits but that's because. all women are kind and caring or the. vast majority of women are kind and. caring much more men so we don't need to. have that as our primary okay let's look. for that it's like people talk about. toxic masculinity but it's an easy fix. isn't it yeah and then there's be a. mench be a gentleman yes done and you're. you'll do very well and then there's. also this thing where you can kind of. bypass that if you're extraordinarily. successful like if you're a billionaire. you know that people will just seek you.

out and they'll they'll even accept a. certain amount of Personality flaws and. physical flaws because you just have. this extraordinary wealth you know so. there's people that just go in that. direction they just tried to achieve. this like undeniable material. success yeah I don't know where that get. I mean billionaires do seem to be giving. away their money left and right the. number one reason why women get rich is. divorce but but I mean that but I mean. but actively you know the altruistic.

thing of like they're giving away their. money they're trying to something but. the idea they're giving away their money. and you go well that's interesting like. what matters cu cu money is uh it's. money is a magic lamp right it was the. is the quote like but you have to know. what to wish for for me wishing wells. work but wishing wells work before you. think they work you throw throw the coin. in and you make a wish and that's what. deciding what to wish for is how they.

work knowing knowing what you want in. life strikes me that kind that's what we. were talking about earlier that first. Adventure in life finding out what you. want who you want to be yeah and you. you're kind of it's It's hard that's. like it's it's the hero's journey for. everyone mhm yeah and that's the real. tragedy when people don't find the thing. and some people never find a thing well. there's there's other I mean listen. there's there there's different life. that you can lead I mean for me I had. kids pretty late in life but I do feel.

like it makes every other status game. look Petty yes it's suddenly you go. ah the I I thought I had skin in the. game I thought risking everything. leaving my job to become a stand-up. comedian right I didn't have any skin in. the game it was only me right and now. I've got my girl I've got my kids I go. oh now things could go south now I've. gotu that's right you know so it's I I. thought I had I thought i' I'd kind of. game the system but actually I was.

playing a very low stakes game and so. that thing of going listen if you're if. you're working in a job you hate but. you're feeding your family [ __ ] fair. play to you yes you're doing great yes. you you're definitely you're succeeding. yeah but you know if you want a dream if. you have a thing that you're striving. for and you don't chase it that's that's. that's a terrible way to live your life. to wake up one day and realize that you. didn't go for it you didn't take the. chances you didn't follow this thing.

that has been always in the back of your. mind just talking to you yeah I made. like a list uh years ago of people that. made it late in. life like as a like Morgan Freeman and. uh Samuel L Jackson like didn't have. their leading roles till they were in. their 40s it's it's a good list it's a. good list I put it in the book and it's. like I found it quite like for going. it's not a race like most Comics don't. do their best work until they're in the. 50s mhm you know it's not kind of a.

young man's that's I find that very. comforting yes I it's like most of my. fav most of the stuff that I it's not. just stuff you watch stuff you rewatch. oh that's great that's a great bit well. if everything goes well your perspective. will be enhanced with every day you're. on this planet and every life experience. that you have and that you learn from. and that that will enhance your abil. ility as an artist to express yourself. you'll you'll know more you'll. understand more you understand yourself. more you understand how other people see.

you you'll understand how to get these. ideas into people's heads better it's. interesting that thing of like going. another reason to to teach standup the. idea of knowing how you're perceived in. the world is such an underrated skill. very because knowing how you change the. atmosphere when you walk in a room MH. it's often the way with like um I don't. if you ever noticed this like. very very very beautiful people like. super symmetrical beautiful people tend. to speak very slowly H never been.

interrupted no one's ever interrupted. the what sorry you're a you're a what. you're a mhm you're a you know Asian. provocator model what right much what. yeah hanging on every word MH I speak. very quickly because this but you know. you you've got that thing of like you. don't quite. know I'm Marilyn Monroe just thought. that's how people when you walk in a. room everyone turns around and looks. yeah that's how rooms work isn't that.

was because she never gets to experience. the world through someone else's eyes. isn't that socrates's quote was it. Socrates that said beauty is a. short-lived. tyranny oh that's good yeah that's a. good one that's good yeah you just you. dominate with symmetry you know and you. don't really have to be that interesting. if you're gorgeous and but listen people. that are gorgeous and listening lean. into it en you might as well use what. you've got while you've got it oh yeah. you you golden ticket yeah yeah if.

you're smart you'd invest in all those. other things isn't it interesting how we. think people that are born. beautiful lucky she's just lucky it's. easy for her or him it's easy because. they were born beautiful we never say. that about smart people we never think. that was easy for Joe Rogan he was born. really smart and inquisitive yeah it's. easy for him to write comedy cuz he's. got that that nogin on him so. is easy no one ever thinks that people. go well no he did the work and that's. the great illusion of our culture.

there's two great lies one is talent and. one is hard work and they're both lies. and we know they're lies I'll tell you. who Michael Jordan is without hard work. yeah no one no one yeah that I mean he. had all the talent in the world that. that physical prowess and and obviously. not everyone can do that so it's it's a. mix of the two it's always going to be. that I talk about it as Edge what's your. Edge in life what what what could you. do better than anything else you don't. have to do it the best in the world but.

what's your thing that you bring to the. party what's the thing that you what. here's a great question what do you find. easy that other people find hard it's. interesting you talked about being shy. when you were 16 yeah and yet you've. lent into it to a degree where your. whole life is putting people at ease and. welcoming them and talking to them yeah. and you were nervous talking to a bank. teller mhm I was entirely dyslexic as a. as a kid I couldn't read until I was. about sort of 11 um and I spend my life.

now reading autoq I was so terrified of. reading out loud how did you fix D how. what is how does Dyslexia manifest. itself like what is I don't think it's a. real thing really well because you can't. take a blood test for it so it's just a. it's a way of thinking so what did you. see when you said you couldn't read. until you were 11 like what did you see. um when I when I write so people I think. when you write when most people write. they sort of just just write the word I. need to think of every letter in the. word as I write and so as I read I read. individual words so I'm quite like I.

read I read pretty slowly even now like. compared to uh I don't know what my. reading age is but it's definitely not. commencer it with where I should be uh. but I managed to kind of game the system. you find your way around it you did you. take lessons no no no I I I I mean I got. into Cambridge I did very well. academically right but how did you. overcome you basically I sort of I. figured out early on that pattern. recognition thing of going okay I need. to get A's in my levels like whatever.

you call the end of school I need to I. need to graduate with a whatever I need. to do very well mhm so I found the. brightest guy in the school and I said. can I read your essays he said yeah I. read what he'd done and I didn't copy. the essay but I copied the structure mhm. and so I kind of learned to go okay well. in in Academia what do you need to do to. to kind of game the system and how can I. get around it and it's just that thing. you go well that's you have to I think. there's a there's a fair bit of.

Acceptance in it you have to go well I. my mind works a bit differently to other. people's you know I'm not as gifted in. that so it's going to take me longer to. read something what do they say that. what is when they say what is dyslexia. like technically like when they give you. a definition of it like what's the root. cause like Google dyslexia I'm looking. I'm looking all over it's I would Google. it but I wouldn't be able to spell it I. often get a thing like with spell check. on my computer it will just go ah right. what are you trying to say I don't even. know what you're shooting for there give.

me a clue put it in a sentence isn't. that a beautiful thing though that you. do get that little red squiggly line. under your words like oh thank goodness. I say I wrote a book I co-wrote a book. yeah with micros. word without spell check it's not. anything what the hell is this yeah for. sure but there often times where I just. when I'm typing text learning disability. yeah I was in like special ed was uh all. the way through sort of primary school. it happens because of disruptions in how. your brain processes writing so you can. understand it most people learn they.

have dyslexia during childhood and it's. typically a lifelong issue this form of. Dyslexia is also known as de. developmental dyslexia dyslexia falls. under the umbrella of specific learning. disorder this disorder has three main. subtypes reading dyslexia writing disg. graphia and math disc calcula yeah so I. mean I think it's one of those things. where I don't think that's helpful for. me I don't think it's helpful to I don't. think the label ever helped me I. remember getting like properly diagnosed.

at University just so I could get a free. laptop and they would give you an extra. half an hour in the exam ah but like you. know my written word isn't I'm not great. at uh at cursive so it's interesting the. slow down processing can affect. everything that fils that includes. slowed reading because you have trouble. processing and understanding words. difficulties with writing and spelling. problems with how you store words words. and their meanings in your memory. trouble forming sentences to communicate. more complex ideas dyslexia is uncommon. overall but widespread enough to be well.

known 7% of the population worldwide I'd. say that's pretty widespread yeah it's. pretty widespread yeah may affect up to. 20% of the people worldwide yeah well. what causes it okay what's the symptoms. iang what we got genetics highly genetic. and runs gentic isn't it that's a good. point like I wonder what it is about. genetics that cause it a child with one. parent uh with dyslexia has a 30 to 50%. chance of inheriting it well it's I.

wonder what the what the advantage was. there's always a downwind Advantage. somewhere well it says if you are. dyslexia if you have dyslexia rather. you're neurod Divergent it means your. brain formed or Works differently than. expected research shows that people with. dyslexia have differences in brain. structure function and chemistry huh so. a bunch of things that can happen. infections toxic exposures and other. events can dis disrupt fetal development. and increase the odds of later.

development of Dyslexia oh we did fine I. here's my thing I don't think it's. helpful to have I mean I went to you. know arguably the best university in the. UK I guess Oxford would have issues with. that but I think Cambridge was great and. did very well academically and it was. hard it was maybe it was harder for me. to do than it was for my friends that. were just naturally gifted academically. mhm but I really wanted that that thing. and what was the driver to get that. thing well the driver was the. humiliation of being in the special ed.

class and not being able to read out in. in class and and having I remember my. friend telling me the stories of what. was happening in in Lord of the Rings. because I couldn't oh I couldn't read it. so I was going what happens what's and. I'm being really excited by that so that. thing of like that poor kid going. feeling less than going well I need to. get this academic achievement to do. something so you at going up to the bank. teller shily at 16 the gift that shy kid. gave you was the drive for this it's all.

gratitude it's all like well great what. are you motivated by not everyone's. motiv motivated towards something. sometimes it's just away from something. so if you grew up and you didn't have. you weren't wealthy as a kid I mean it. was great for us because it was pre-. internet so I grew up in slow and we. didn't you know have many foreign. holidays fine didn't matter my mother. was fantastic and it was a great. childhood and I didn't have to look at. everyone else's childhood on my phone.

every I didn't have to look at what. everyone else had I just knew the people. around me and we were all kind of in the. same boat it's. lovely it's I kind of think that. comparison is the thief of Joy yeah. great quote amazing yeah yeah it really. is and you know you can instead. of having that experience you can. compare and be inspired and that's just. a switch that you have to make in your. mind and that's the difference between. being jealous and envious right if.

you're envious you can use that as fuel. this is disposition is more important. than position if you if you keep going. back to kind of gratitude like okay. we're fine it's you can you can kind of. do anything yes you know because it's. quite empowering as well that thing of. like it's just a happy mood to be in. yeah yeah you can choose to interface. with life in a more positive way and you. know sometimes people need things that. happen to them near-death experiences. tragedies psychedelics something that.

like snaps you out of this state that. you're in this groove that's been deeply. cut into your Consciousness and the way. you approach. life you need something different that. that sort of allows you to see like okay. I can look at things differently and. that would be a better thing for me that. would be that would help me achieve what. I'm trying to achieve in life and then. as you do do that and apply it and you. see the result results that are positive. then you gain momentum in this very good. direction for me I think grief is a huge.

driver like that you know that that. great uh uh there lots of great quotes. is always the same with me but that that. thing of uh every man has two lives mhm. and he's first and and the second begins. when he realizes he only has one yes. it's like you got that for me I remember. hearing that and going oh yeah oh yeah. this is this is it there's no rehearsal. so I think that thing of when you're a. kid you're kind of. living sort of for someone else you're. sort of trying to impress your parents.

or or someone at school or or there's. that kind of weird memetic desire for I. want what they've got you know they've. got those trainers so I want those. training shoes I you know they they've. got that car I want that car you're in. competition with the world to kind of. keeping up with people yeah and then. there's people that tell you the. direction you are supposed to go in and. they're angry at you if you don't follow. it if you have like. very like controlling parents that can. be a real issue you have to figure out a. way to snap out of that you know um well.

it's very hard though isn't it because. you know different people like. childhoods there's this is this is a. real tough love thing this isn't popular. but there has to be a statute of. limitations on childhood trauma because. for an 18-year-old to tell me I'm not. doing so great cuz my mom's a narcissist. right yeah man that must have been. really tough if a 40-year-old tells me. that though right time to get over yeah. but at what stage do we is there like.

should there be a ceremony at 25 where. we go okay everyone that's all that's. all done it's your responsibility now. well that's a good point what you just. said because that's I think one of the. things that we're missing that has. always existed in cultures is a rights. of Passage some sort of a ceremony that. allows you to recognize that you are now. held to a higher standard you are in a. new stage of existence and that this. this in this stage requires you to now. you are a man or now you are a woman and. now you have to take agency over your. own life and you have to take.

responsibility for your decisions and. you have to think of yourself as an. adult now and um you know there's people. that are 35 years old are still living. with their parents and they're still. [ __ ] off and they never really. matured and became a man they they they. got stuck in this and listen and it's. all very well for us the you know the. rich comedians to but it is it's a tough. love thing if you're listening to this. in your mother's basement it's not from. a place of malice that we're saying this.

it's like saying it's a place of love. going you know take responsibility and. do something because if you're 35 living. at home or 40 in living at home you've. still got 30 great years yeah you can. get out there get out there like don't. if you're a 40-year-old single man and. you're a good guy there's a woman going. ah where is he yeah you can still make. it but that's the thing too hard because. you're in that Groove and you're and. you're coming from behind and you might. feel like well I'm coming from but who.

cares it's just hard to it's hard to. internalize that right for a lot of. people and then and there's books on. that right there's books that you can. learn the way a better way to think and. a better way to approach things I mean. there's a lot of inspirational books. that are nonsense you know there's a lot. of people that write books about going. forward and chasing your dreams but. addressing the root cause of each. individual psychological roadblock that. you have in your mind like you can learn. from those and you can recogniz very.

interesting what is that uh cognitive. behavioral therapy oh okay so they have. these kind of list of we could pull it. up just the list of um uh thought. patterns is is brilliant for like just. look at you you think actually the. problems in the world today could be. solved with with a a good session of. this it's like just like things like. magical thinking some people just do. magical thinking or or or they you know. it's kind of they just put up their own. um that well if I do this then that MH. kind of weird cycles of thought and just.

being aware of it seems to change it. have you got the the list of. them I don't know if there's a specific. list yeah C CBT kind of thought patents. when did you get involved in. that well here's a weird thing I got. into kind of uh uh West I suppose West. Coast kind of um human development uh. human potential movement through Shell. Oil so I was working for a big oil. company and there was a training budget.

now I wasn't on the oil rigs this will. shock you but I was in the office I know. I seem like a real Alpha dude but I was. in the office pushing paper talking. about marketing and adverts and so they. had a training budget for everyone so we. used our training budget to go and do. like courses so we did a lot of neural. linguistic programming and we did a lot. of kind of CBT type stuff you know. talking to people and it was all about. kind of you know trying to you know what. are you going to do career-wise and what. what's happening within the corporate. structure but for me it was like I found.

it such a pleasing I kind of lost my. faith in my mid-20s or kind of maybe. slight very slightly earlier and then it. was like this sort of replaced that in. terms of like it's a way of seeing the. world so the central I mean nlp's got. got its critics but the idea of going. the map is not the territory how you see. the world isn't how the world is it's. just how you're seeing it and you could. see it differently you could change the. world or you could change your. perspective on the world and it strikes. me one of those is a lot easier it's not. easy but it's a lot easier than the.

other one yeah a lot easier and and it. was it was very kind of it was very. freeing okay what this all or nothing. thinking catastrophic thinking. overgeneralizing yeah this is these are. all great most people go go to the top. of that what's the top one Jamie scroll. down so all nothing thinking thinking. extremes for example something is either. 100% good or 100% bad okay so the the. boyfriend doesn't call you back oh he. hates me he hates me then okay it's over. catastrophizing follows that jump the. worst possible conclusion yeah so I mean.

you know standup Comics that we. know it's it's the All or Nothing. thinking it's my my career is in the. toilet I'm useless when you've had a bad. show seeing a p a pattern based on a. single event overgeneralizing mental. filter only paying attention to certain. types of evidence that doesn't count. like in quotes what's an interesting. thing that of like when you think. politically if you're having a political. conversation with anyone mhm I always. like try and ask what would you need to.

see to change your mind MH and if they. don't have an answer if it's a matter of. principle means they're not willing to. listen to reason right they're. ideologically bound yeah I mean I must. say the thing about your show like. coming on here or whatever I've seen. your show a lot and the openness is. fantastic the openness to I okay so what. do you got tell me it's like it's such. an unus ual thing because most of what. we have in our everything seems very. looking at America as a as a as a.

visitor here thanks for having me um it. feels like there's a cold Civil War. there is where people are on this side. and this side and I I could ask you your. opinion on any one of five issues and I. could tell you what you think about. everything else and that's a bit. depressing I want to be surprised. individuals I want them it's almost like. kind of joining a political party it. strikes me is a little bit ordering from. the set menu at the Chinese restaurant. if you've never had Chinese food before. okay I'm going to I'll go with that the. set menu you tell me right but like.

following a political party go what you. agree with them about everything right. that seems farfetched I don't agree with. anyone about everything right yeah it. would seem crazy I've learned how to do. that though I was most certainly in that. camp at one point in my life and then. doing this podcast and having this. incredible opportunity to talk talk to. so many different people that are. brilliant and so many different people. that have completely different. perspectives and my genuine curiosity as.

to why they think the way they think and. instead and learning how to not judge. them because the way they think is. different than mine than my thoughts but. instead to try. to try to put myself in their mind and. try try to see from their perspective. and also give them the most charitable. take on them that I can this is yeah. it's that it's the other question before. you get into any kind of political.

debate with anyone MH first question do. you believe people can change and if. someone goes no they are what they. are why are we even talking that's. forget that that's a silly that's such a. silly perspective that so many people. share but it's that thing of like going. if you have the same political views. that you had when you were 21 and you're. now 45 you haven't been thinking much. right you you've just been rearranging. your. prejudices yeah. and yeah your bias like what was the.

last thing you changed your mind about. is such an interesting question yeah. what was the last thing like big thing. that you went I used to think that and. now I think this and it's it's a really. interesting question what would what. would yours be what was the last thing. that you the medical establishment I I. used to think that medicine was there. purely to heal people and make people. better and that all the doctors were on. board with that and what do you think. now now I think they're captured by an. enormous industry and that this enormous.

industry uh first of all it starts with. um dictating where funds go so there's. one group that decides what studies are. going to be run what tests what research. is going to be funded and so all of. those doctors that receive that funding. have to step in line then you have the. enormous impact that we have in this. country of Pharmaceutical drugs are. allowed to advertise on television we're. one of two countries in the world New. Zealand yes that's it why isn't that. just I mean but New Zealand's far more.

restrictive than America America's. insane I mean but I mean that thing of. like there's a lot of comedy routines. have fallen out of that that's the good. that's come of it let's be grateful yeah. sound effects sound worse than the thing. but the idea of like that's such an easy. fix yeah it's not the entang talking. about the biggest industry in the world. yes it's bigger than anything else and. then there's also like we were talking. about this. oversimplification they make a lot of. amazing medications that have helped so. many people that have prolonged lives. saved lives help people but I invest a.

lot of my money in a in uh cancer. company it's a great that thing of like. going well whatever you give to charity. in a year whatever that sum is and you. know go with God good luck but whatever. you give to charity won't be as much as. you. invest for most people right unless. you're incredibly altruistic right so. invest in something that's worth. something yes so that idea if you go. well it's also the medical establishment. there lots of problems but when you're. sick yes who are you going to call yeah.

it's it's it's your only option and it's. it seems to be yeah it's just disturbing. to realize that they've been captured. and that the media has been captured so. hard and that that was a that was a real. Revelation that I I was very. uncomfortable for me to accept and a lot. of the information that I got from that. was from doctors from heterodox doctors. doctors that were would explain to you. what the problems with the system were. and how they were discouraged and.

doctors that were fortunate enough to go. independent well it's the interesting. thing about your show uh is the the. thing about the Overton window and how. much you're willing to push because when. you said it's a lab leak you were in. trouble mhm and then 18 months later. everyone goes yeah but it it probably. was a lab Lake though yeah but I wasn't. saying it because I was guessing. I was saying it because brilliant people. were willing to stick their neck out who. are actual experts in viruses and they.

UND they had studied it and they. understood it but in this forum yeah you. said it and it moved the conversation. forward you saying that moved the. Overton window of like actually I think. it might be okay to say that I think it. might be okay to talk about that like. it's that thing if you want to know. where real power is in any. Community who can't you criticize yeah. and that thing of like going okay well. that's interest that's well sorry we're. not allowed to discuss this right it's. sorry this is a that's a that's not. right that's I want to have a.

conversation about it com isn't that the. one thing that we always tune in on like. like moths to a flame exactly what are. you saying I can't talk about that oh. why well what about this and like oh. you're just a conspiracy theorist what. doesn't what doesn't comedy live between. I think it kind of operates somewhere. between public and private discourse M. so when you watch the news no one talks. like that right they don't even think. that and then a private conversation in.

a bar in a car in bed talking about. stuff you kind of question things yeah. and it feels like comedy is in that it's. a it's a public sphere where you can. have those conversations yes and you can. push things mhm and it's like why are. people drawn to Comedy why is there so. many Comics coming up why are people so. interested in going out and seeing shows. ah this is this is what's going on I. mean I think that thing of the I I agree. with what you're saying about okay so. captured seems like it's very strong.

language but you go and there's so many. incredible doctors out there and nurses. out there and and and physios and the. medical Prof and researchers there's so. much incredible work going on and I. don't know I mean if Peter ater and. David's in Clarity be belied maybe we'll. all live to be 120 130 they're finding. these things you the research is you. metformin and riping and all this kind. of incredible stuff it's. exciting it's it's great but also there.

is there is a there's something else. going on as well but I try and see the I. mean I'm a I've got a very positive. disposition I try and see the good I try. oh I do too I I I think generally people. overall are good the problem is with. being captured is when your livelihood. depends upon you towing the line and. then everyone does it that gets really. scary for the general population that's. ignorant to what's really going on yeah. especially when it IT deals with.

something like them prescribing. pharmaceutical drugs I mean the opioid. crisis in America is like the greatest. example of that and you know that I I. can't see an argument. for I mean it it's incredible because it. didn't happen anywhere else right it's. like it's not like you can go what look. at the UK and Germany and France and. South Africa and Australia look at all. these other places they all had an. opioid crisis exactly no just just here. just here just here and and predicated. on on kind of a an assumption that there.

should be no. pain yeah that's what it was but that's. kind of that was the roote was no one. should be in any discomfort ever right. and isn't that kind of the issue with. the world well you know I mean listen I. don't want to be mean to people. but what are Comics good at well very. good at being un comfortable yeah dying. on stage they call it dying for a reason. yeah it it's it's dying bombing it's. called bombing y because the sound it's.

like after when you see a movie they see. black ha down and the Bomb Blast goes. off and everyone's ears are blown out. it's just nothing it's just [ __ ]. nothing like but being being. uncomfortable is like what what are you. unwilling what discomfort are you. unwilling to experience yeah and. conversely the other side of is killing. killing like yeah yeah I got them they. killed you get off stage they're roaring. with laughter and they cheer we got him.

yeah they killed it and they and the. experience for the audience of being in. that and feeling oh it's the greatest. experience for me as an audience member. to this day the thing that I love the. most is being in the audience when. someone is just [ __ ] whether it's. music or comedy it's the same thing for. me is just this beautiful experience of. someone just in I went to see post. Malone recently in Houston and it was a. [ __ ] incredible show God damn it was. good it was so good so much energy and.

the lights and the sound and his passion. for it and the crowd loved him and I. left there I felt like I was a better. person I left there I was like God I. just got elevated I find if you see a. great band Live I Saw The Killers. recently I went to see them in Edinburgh. they're they're here real soon oh I love. love those guys Ronnie and brand the. best but that thing of like um you see a. great band it kind of anchors you like. you feel 17 again there's something in.

you that just this is just yeah it's. it's that kind of that Spirit of it yes. it's it's I mean I suppose the great. thing about music it's non-verbal. communication we don't really sort of. think of it as such but it just cuts to. that thing of here's an interesting. thing right so we want old music new. movies and it's primitive mind higher. mind so the Primitive mind wants to. wants to do things again and again. eating [ __ ] listening to the same.

song you want to do these things again. and again and again and again and again. that's the Primitive mind and music Taps. into that somehow it's somehow kind of. gets into your system and that thing of. like those like your favorite album I. don't know what your favorite album is. but I know it came out when you were 18. I know 17 18 when you first got driver's. license that first sense of Freedom that. album that you had on in the car for me. would be the stone roses the stone roses. whatever it is for you but it'll be from. that age with 95% of people and then I. mean I listen to a lot of new music I'm.

kind of obsessed by it but there's. something about a familiar tune and yet. movies we want new stories because it's. for the higher mind I was chatting to my. friend Johnny McDade recently who's a. songwriter and we're Ching about Story. songs because he's got this idea to. write songs with stories to kind of. connect try and connect the two yeah. it's an interesting concept well that is. one of the reasons why country music new. country music in this country is taken. off yeah because it's stories yeah like.

they almost all the songs are about. someone's life and some story in their. life or some passage in their life or. some some moment where everything. changed yeah it's it's interesting it's. like country. is it's kind of it's rock and roll. without the irony it's really. interesting it like hasn't got that it's. very emotionally raw yes you've ever. been around I've written a couple of. songs with friends or whatever that. thing of like it's very exposing yes in. a way that jokes you can kind of hide.

behind a little bit I'm just messing. around here but but the the exposing. kind of nature of going no no this is. heartfelt this is what I feel it's. beautiful yes and it's it's it's really. someone showing their neck yes it's like. and when you when you connect to that. when you hear a song and go well that's. just yeah that's exactly how I feel yeah. I mean it's a weird thing like there's. certain emotions that I can only like. grief I think is one of them I often. have a thing with. songs like a song will come on the radio.

and the grief that comes over you you. remember exactly where you were when you. heard that song with the person and it's. like really beautiful music it's. extraordinary especially I mean I can. play the guitar a tiny bit but the idea. of like the Mastery that these guys have. mhm and there's so much great stuff. there's so much great it's constantly. being created there's constantly new. music that's coming out I feel a bit. like bad for musicians now in terms of.

going there's a lot of comedians filling. Arenas and it's only getting bigger and. theaters and comedy clubs and lots of. comics they very evenly spread it feels. to me mhm it feels like music has gone. the way of film and used to be 100. movies came out every year 200 movies. and yeah sure one did better than the. others is a big hit but lots of movies. did okay now it feels like less is made. and they they just they all the top 10.

or books the top 10 books we sell as. many books now as we sold in the 80s we. sell as many records as we sold in the. 80s but 10 artists sell all of them H. it's not a. spread and I think it's because the. corporations got. involved so think about 70 Cinema and. how incredible I just read the Quinton. Tarantino Cinema specul. I'm only watching 70s movies now it's so. impassion hearing him talk about the. movies that he loved yeah I kind of went.

through the book it's infectious oh it's. like the passion the genius he was an. amazing guy to talk to I would I mean. incredible I mean his his mind is so. fascinating and the way he approaches. the art form it's so different than. anybody else and also his films are. grandfathered in like there's hyper. violence in his films that would be like. really criticized today if it was a new. film there's like male on female. violence there's like like there's a. scene in I was talk about this scene.

from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood where. Brad Pit kills one of the Manson girls. by Smashing her head against a mantle. piece it's like Jesus Christ it's so. wild yeah but I mean that movie was. incredible incredible all of his he. doesn't have a bad movie I don't know if. that movie is the same for people that. didn't know the story cuz I was so tense. watching the movie going oh I know. what's going to happen oh my God I can't. believe it and then it doesn't happen. and you go oh it's the same trick in.

glorious bastards yes so fantastic but. that that point I was making about like. right okay so 70s Cinema art was like. kind of yeah there was a studio system. but it was a bit independent that the. corporations hadn't got hold of it and. then in the 80s it became packaged and. the algorithm hadn't been created yet. where they formula well there's great. Cinema being made there's wonderful. movies and filmmakers out there telling. proper stories but a lot of movies now. the big ones are children's movies yeah. anything with a good guy and a bad guy. and no.

Nuance well in this country the biggest. movies are superhero films which and. they're great and they're really. enjoyable they're enjoyable but it's one. FL but it's not one flow of the cuckoo. nest right it's not taxi D I didn't. realize until Milos Foreman died I read. the obituary of M. foreman and I had to watch one flow of. the cooko nest. again I went oh it's about capitalism. and communism BR I didn't get it I. didn't get it I felt like such a dummy I. I went back and watched it again he went.

well he I think he came from um what was. Yugoslavia and he was he obviously the. book existed Ken KY and then when he. made the movie for him it was about the. Communist system oh versus the freedom. of I I watched it as a young man and I. watched it again um maybe three years. ago oh my God that movie is it's a. phenomenal phenomenal movie I need to. watch it again I haven't watched it in. decades that thing of like if you keep. kind of Communism capitalism kind of in.

your head of like what's the subtext of. this it is it's just I got some time. this weekend I'll watch it again oh it's. it's really rewarding there's a few of. those films that I really need to go. back and watch again and I said taxi. driver because that's another one that. I've been really thinking about watching. again there's a a few of those old films. you know well you know this theory on uh. Lindy books you ever heard Theory I know. that term but I forgot what it means. okay so it's like it's the idea like the. lifespan of something is the life so. most of what is consumed in our world on.

phones most of what people are looking. at was produced in the last 24 hours mhm. and will be gone in 24 hours no one ever. says this no one ever goes you got to. see this Tik Tok from two years ago it's. my favorite it's never been said no. one's had that conversation right so. it's all disposable disposable. disposable what stood the test of time. so it's books is the first thing right. so you go well these books are great. books and they've been around for. hundred years or they've you know George. Orwell or or Doki or those great books.

why have they stood the test of time you. know some Margaret Atwood whatever is. whatever the great book that you enjoy. why is that stood the test of time. that's worth reading that's worth giving. your time to what's the record that's. been around and people still talk about. now what's the thing that you could. listen to that you go oh this is really. going to this is really going to be. brilliant I know this is good and I I. kind of find that an interesting idea.

with like Cinema we're all so drawn to. the new the new the new all the time. that we never go back and go well what. are the greats yeah and especially for. like in our industry in comedy or. whatever we are and we you know shout. out to Dick Gregory but like going back. and watching the people that invented. what we do and like I find that the the. frequency has changed in comedy like the. laughs per minute has just increased you. watch stuff from the 70s and ' 80s it's. not quite the frequency and I think it's. that thing of the The Comedians were.

working with an audience that hadn't. seen this before that it's the audience. that have that have come with us yes. those Comics were I mean Richard PR as. good as anyone working today but his. gags per minute was led by he's waiting. for the audience to catch up to the. ideas yeah yes. yes yeah I think people are very. educated about comedy now one of the. beautiful things about this club is that. I I see that a lot of these people are. really hardcore comedy fans I met guys. on the plane out I met some guys in the. airport lounge uh who were flying out.

from Newcastle in uh the north of. England to come to the club. tonight yeah and that was the that was. their holiday they said yeah I'm going. to Austin Texas to go to Joe Rogan's. Club because they asked me what I was. doing I said I'm going out to do Joe. Rogan and they went oh we we're going to. the club as well what night you going I. went well I'm doing the podcast I'm a. [ __ ] big deal. yeah it's become comedy tourism here. it's really nice yeah it's nice too. because I don't have to.

travel been able to do a lot of shows. and just people come to us rereading. books watching old movies I don't think. you can see the same movie twice right. it's like you can't stand in the same. river twice MH different River different. man right people think different River. it's a different man yes like if you saw. one One Flew Over The Cook 20 years ago. and you rewatch it you go well this is. just mhm phenomenal and really what do. you remember yeah you kind of remember. maybe one or two kind of Snippets of a.

scene something visual but like. rereading old books you it's to. especially with non-fiction you kind of. go well I'm I'm getting totally. different things from it this time yes. because you have a different perspective. you're a different person different. information that you. can that you have at your disposal that. you have you got that uh that imprint. app no what what is that it's like it. does visuals on books H so if You' read. a non-fiction book like on a Black Swan. mhm it.

does like it's like uh like the I don't. know what you would call it here like. the the short version the York notes we. would call it in the UK uh Cliff Notes. Cliff Notes on the book fantastic for. things that you've read years ago and. you kind of go oh yeah I know I remember. that and it's all the kind of salient. points from the book it's really. interesting to kind of relook at stuff. but it's also great for looking at stuff. and going. I don't need to read that you know some. self-help stuff that's nothing and then. some of them you kind of look at it and. go oh I've got a I think I should read. that that feels like it' be my thing.

it's great like Quick Check yeah I love. those things like blinkist I love as. well mhm you know that kind of just when. they do the okay this is what the book. is but go and read it if you right you. know yeah at the end you can click and. buy it what it was great and it's. sometimes it's good to read something. like that after you've read it it just. sort of refresh those ideas in your head. h cuz it's very acquiring information is. one thing but retaining information is. another well here's here's what no one. talks about people are obsessed by diet.

right mhm because everyone wants to get. more trim or better shape or fitter or. whatever you think about what you put in. your. body and then you say well I watched 8. hours of Love Island and Married at. First Sight well. that's that's McDonald's and Subway that. that is that's not I mean great. some once in a while yeah come. on yeah have aald Burger great yeah once. in a while watch 90-day fiance yes once.

in a while yeah but what's your regular. diet what's the thing you're putting in. your body so this show for a lot of. people is is food mhm you know Food For. Thought literally and for me as well but. you go well that thing about going well. what else are you what are you reading. what are you what are you taking in are. you just watching the same stuff again. that thing of like listening to new. music I think like CU it does open up a. different pathway mhm yes yeah it. definitely does yeah and old music sort. of refreshes these old.

Pathways yeah I saw the Rolling Stones. recently um at the uh there's a. racetrack out here Circuit of the. Americas and they did this outdoor. concert this enormous venue right and it. was incredible security wasn't done by. the Hell's Angels again no not this time. not this time they've learned from that. mistake guys were giving you one more. try but if anyone dies there's going to. be trouble you know what I started. rereading recently is Hell's Angels the. Hunter S Thompson book oh is it is it. I've never read it it's incredible cuz.

that's that movie coming there's the new. the new I watched the trailer for the. new Tom Hardy is that have you seen. let's put it up is that about the book. no it's about about Hell's Angels it's. uh I think it's called Uh is it called. motorbikers or motorbike Riders bike. riders bike riders it looks phenomenal. the movie is incredible or the book. rather is incredible it's it's Hunter S. Thompson the beginning of his career. when he was first experimenting with. this Gonzo journalism thing which is. like he's essentially using fiction and.

non-fiction together you know and he. made up a lot of things apparently and. he pissed a lot of the Hell's Angels off. because a lot of what he did was like. very similar to what he did was. feas the Hell's Angels motto is two can. keep a secret if one is dead guys guys. we're trying to attract new members te. meeting well he also goes into the roots. of what what like how they got. established and it's a lot of people. that were disenfranchised from the. Vietnam War they were just shell shocked.

and broken yeah and they couldn't fit in. with Society anymore and then they found. this wild group of people that also. couldn't fit in with society and they. found a Brotherhood much like the. Brotherhood that they had in the. military I uh I met a guy when I was in. I was doing a gig in I'm just trying to. think where it was it was somewh I think. Hamilton in uh New Zealand where they. have kind of biker gangs and they got. some oh yeah and I was you they got big. biker gangs in New Zealand yeah and uh. have you played New Zealand no oh my God.

you got to go I mean it's phenomenal. phenomenal Place New Zealand Australia I. went like I was there for three months. this year it's just it's the best the. best audiences wonderful people anyway. I'm there I'm on stage I'm chatting to a. guy in the front row uh what are you do. I'm in I'm in the Hell's. Angels and the guy kind of looked kind. of scrawny I said what do you do he said. I can't. accounts accounts he's the accounts guy. wow he's the accounts guy he's a and he. told you he's in the Hell's Angels yeah. he was I mean I think he may have been a.

[ __ ] idiot but he was full disclosure. he may have been a [ __ ] idiot but he. was wearing the biker thing here the. biker tats but really scrawly guy I just. love the idea someone joined a biker. gang and gone right what what am I what. am I doing am I in charge of uh you guys. need shell accounts am I am I getting. the crystal meth am I running the. hookers am I am I transport am I. protection right no we need someone to. do double entry bookkeeping because this. is getting at hand someone's got to. someone's got a there's no toilet paper.

someone's who's uh someone's doing the. admin for like it's a weird thing of. guys someone's doing that for the Hell's. Angels I guess you have to those it'll. fall apart office admin yeah wild yeah. yeah those those sort of groups of. people that are outcasts of society have. always been attracted to people well I. mean what are you talking about. yeah outcast in society that all come. together and find a Brotherhood did you. just open a comedy club did you it's. this it's the same thing of like that. it's back to that Alan havy it's we're.

out for ourselves but in it together. it's uh who said it to me Mike Wilmer in. a room of 3,000 people with a one person. facing the wrong. way right that's a lovely that's a great. way to put it I think I think Comics are. people that could fit in but chose not. to most most comedians I know you go. well at high school I was in like four. different groups or University at four. different group friendship groups and. kind of kept them kind of separate from. each other I don't know why but I was.

kind of attracted to that kind of having. my own stuff I wasn't like the question. for comedians if I meet a comic I don't. know you want to get to know them I. always go which one of your parents was. sick interesting I think I mean I hit. the bullseye 90% of the time because for. most Comics someone was physically or. mentally sick and you had to make it. okay you had to have the ability to. change the mood in the household yeah to. make things okay to be funny just that.

thing of like breaking the attention. what's being funny what what are what. are we doing it's it's funniness has a. root in our Evolution that that people. don't laughter is a million years older. than. language it's a different part of the. throat that you laugh with I mean my. weird I've got a weird laugh I laugh on. an in on but even regular laughs it's a. million years older than language and. really if you talk to Robin dunar I did. a documentary with him who's the guy. that came up with the Dunbar number of.

like how many friends can you have. because he talked about a lot on social. media um so silverback gorillas can have. about 60 in a I think it's called a pod. of gorillas so silverback gorillas can. have about 60 in the group and they they. groom each other MH and then it gets to. 65 and there's five guys going I even. [ __ ] know that guy start our own pod. and they start their own pod now that. doesn't sound very interesting but human. beings because we had laughter it was.

remote. grooming so we could have bigger pods we. could have 150 people in our little. groups and 150 people allows. specialization and specialization allows. civilization so it's an incredibly. important thing and really when you. think about what most laughter is it's. this thing where you go I'm not a threat. everything's all right we're all fine.

here we're all good we all get it like. other animals when we show our teeth. it's it's trouble and we do it to show. it's okay right it's in the spirit of. play that is fascinating the teeth thing. right yeah how Wild is that that we are. so far removed from using our teeth as. weapons that when we show our teeth it's. like ah it's fun but it's also it's in. the spirit of play yes because it's the. same as like what well tickling is if. you if you tickle someone in the street.

try it they're not going to laugh a. random stranger in the street try and. tickle them it it has to be playful both. people have to be involved like a little. play fight yeah uh it's it's it's um. it's testing the boundaries of what's. okay yeah and laughter does the same. thing laughter is like I think that. thing about. the what it does it like rewards patent. recognition verbal dexterity and it. allows us to get on in bigger. groups the importance can't be.

overstated and you unite people in some. strange way people with completely. different opinions about things it's one. of the things that I've said that's. amazing about comedy as well is that you. can go on stage and have an opinion and. I can be in the audience and I have a. completely different opinion I don't. agree with you at all I'm like I don't. agree with this guy but if you go on. stage with an opinion you make me laugh. you have somehow or another you've. injected that idea into my mind and now. I have to consider how the the irony and.

how the comedic value of you're. expressing that opinion unfortunately. unfortunately you're not the first guy. to notice this yeah so I mean Hitler. knew it and that's why that's why. Cabaret is such a great piece because. those clubs those Cabaret clubs in. Germany and. if you laugh with someone it's it's like. like how did Hitler use that he shut. down the clubs he shut down all that. have you never seen Cabaret no oh you've.

got to see Cabaret so these. incredible German CL where year is that. from well cab like the movies um Liza. Manelli 72 maybe the musical run yeah so. these clubs it's like the end of it is. like the heartbreaker I'm kind of. ruining the ending but the it's these. clubs in Germany in the 30s of like. these incred incredible full of life. magical people uh and you know lots of. Jewish people in those Cabaret clubs. telling jokes and being funny and. whatever and the the Nazis realized well.

if you laugh with those people you can't. hate those people oh if you laugh with. someone like what's that great phrase. like anti-Semitism cannot um survive a. Shabbat dinner huh it it can't like if. you've got Jewish friends and you laugh. with them what are you talking about. anti-Semitism but if you can make them. seem like other then it's very dangerous. so that thing of going that the the. nailing the landing of C I remember. seeing one Alan Cummings doing Cabaret. in London and these people that you've.

seen singing and dancing and living. their lives and then at the end of the. show they're in pajamas in the. snowfalls and you realize they all got. wiped out it's. like. wow what's really horrific about human. beings is how recent that was and how we. have sort of dismissed that as a an. artifact of time and that it's not. possible today but it it's it's very. scary I think there's people give.

themselves listen not everyone but. people sort of think well if slavery was. going on today I'd fight it and if there. was if Hitler was around today I'd fight. it and you go but he is and there is. there's 40 million slaves currently in. the world yeah more slaves during the. world in the world right now than during. 1865 when they abolished slavery in. America horrific and you look at North. Korea MH if you want to see that's the. best example you know if you want to see.

a state where I mean we have very little. news from there very few people get out. but the ones that do it's horrific. George Orwells 1984 it it's it's. happening right now somewhere and not. yeah I mean I kind of thought that was. like an interesting idea on America's. original. sin is. slavery and there's no way to change the. past but one thing you could do if you. can't work out reparations and people. don't seem to be able to work out what.

to do with that but one thing you could. do is make America's foreign policy why. don't we just stop slavery who couldn't. get behind that right globally to say. well just you've got you've got an. incredible military there's Injustice. going on in the world that idea of being. the world's policeman I don't know I. mean freeing slaves who could disagree. with that. well who's putting up a case against it. the problem is that you're addressing. the way the United States interfaces. with the world as if we're just trying. to do overall good that's not really.

what happens with this whole empire. building thing it's what what what's. really going on is controlling resources. and coming up with some reason that you. have to. intervene in order to acquire these. resources or control these resources or. protect your resources I think it's uh. you know what I think that is short. money mhm mhm short money cuz what's a. resource there's things that are. resources now that won't be in 20 years. you know what the biggest industry in. the world was in. 1903 beavers very close I will give you.

I give you I give you a I'll pass you. I'll give you a c whaling was the. biggest industry in the world in 1903. and whaling disappeared overnight like. in a year and a half it was gone those. towns were just emptied because the. whale oil wasn't required. anymore because suddenly we discovered. petrochemicals too petrochemicals was. really the thing yeah the whale oil uh. electricity Edison all of that stuff for. Tesla it's really interesting how that.

that industry just fell away it's like. the story of um uh horse manure in New. York City you know this no so horsse. manuring you know the why the. Brownstones have got steps up to the. front door you ever wondered about that. why is the ground for not on the ground. floor why is it upsteps why horseshit. really there was horseshit everywhere. they've always got those metal scrapers. by the side and the yeah to get the. hores [ __ ] off you know the old movies. they always talk about smelling salts. there's a lot of references to smelling. salts yeah the smell was horrific if a. horse died in the street you had to wait.

for it to atropy to cut it up and take. it away New York was the sound Cobble. streets metal wheels on the carts horses. everywhere so they made a law to say. right horses were going to put tax on. them didn't change anything made another. law the next year we're doubling the. taxes right we're going to do a thing. with uh we're going to say if you have a. horse then you have to do this you have. to do that whatever it was kept on kept. on kept on and what stopped it Henry.

Ford cars came along all gone all. there's five of them left in Central. Park right all gone in no time whaling. disappeared over the night that thing of. like what's a resource now America. trying to get resources. overseas I mean I don't want to sound. like a Boy Scout I think freeing slaves. would be a much better thing to do than. trying to get control of an oil field. somewhere where you go that's not going. to be a resource in 10 years time yeah. the problem is it's a resource now and. it's a phenomenal one in terms of the. amount of money that you could acquire.

but I mean Cobalt wasn't a resource. right 20 years ago and now we really. need Cobalt and suddenly I mean the. things that are happening to get it are. just horrific yeah I had sadar Cara on. the podcast he's a journalist that went. to the Congo to document this and. brought back video footage the democ of. Congo mhm any country with Democratic in. the name that's a [ __ ] red flag isn't. it that's a red flag they go hey we're. Democratic are you though are you yeah.

it's I mean it's it's hell on Earth out. there it's happening right now I think. that think of like people saying well I. would I would go and make a difference. well there's stuff going on now if you. want to get involved well what's so. ironic is that it's one of the most. horrific conditions that human beings. are imposed that's imposed upon human. beings but yet it is required in order. for you to have a cell phone and. complain about the injustices of the. world every single person that has one. of these things you you have in it. minerals that were carved out of the.

ground by people living in the most. insane conditions child labor slavery I. mean slavery and and not just that like. people with babies on their back that. are breathing in this Cobalt dust. horrific uh Health consequences. everything all the above abject poverty. no electricity I mean here's like the. big thing in the I mean again gratitude. go back to gratitude we we don't live. there uh anyone listening to a podcast. is you know we're doing great what can. we do about it I don't know I mean this.

is part of the anxiety of the modern. world because we're surrounded by. problems told about problems that we can. have we have no agency there yeah we. can't sort of do anything but it's I. don't know I mean it's what's going to. be the next resource CU environmentalism. is clearly their right yeah this fossil. fuels it needs to stop but we've already. got the downside volatility from. splitting the atom we've already got all. the weapons we could already destroy the. world we've got all of that why are we.

not building the tests have been done. right there's nuclear submarines mhm you. know what the range is on a nuclear. submarine yeah it's insane it's. unlimited it's unlimited they can go. forever I mean it's it's crazy why isn't. every town powered by one of those yes. well people have this bad taste in their. mouth because of the few disasters that. have existed when nuclear power was not. fuk Fukushima right yeah what's the. death toll on Fukushima it's very low.

but the toxic might be I think it's one. person but the the toxic environmental. effect of them not being able to shut. down that reactor is pretty devastating. yeah yeah I tell you what it's not as. devastating as fossil fuels MH so it's. it's as opposed to what is burning coal. right so burning coal endlessly burning. coal and anyone that says the. environmental problem can be fixed by us. cutting back is Living in a Dream World.

right because you go well you can't deny. like that we owe a debt to Future. generations and we owe a debt to people. that are in different geographies to us. like there's no way you can say with. good conscience well you need to cut. back China and India you you I mean most. people in the world I third third of the. world don't have flushing toilets right. like they're living in poverty mhm so. the idea that they won't need energy is. insane insane and we've nailed the.

technology and we just never we got we. got nervous worse than that Germany shut. down their nuclear power plants I mean. people have shut them down because. there's this there's this negative. connotation this is this negative. association that people have with. nuclear well I mean I don't know about. um um I'm not an expert but Fukushima I. think was a 40y old technology yes there. is new tech in that now yes oh yeah I. mean I can't understand why like the big.

oil. companies why isn't someone like instead. of just going you've got to every time. there's an oil spill you've got to clean. up the seabirds better or you know the. the Gulf of Mexico disaster was horrific. what happened because why don't you just. say You' got to invest half of your. profits in. nuclear take it private private seems to. get things done quicker than governments. yeah the the real problem is there's. still an insane amount of money to be. made from fossil fuels you know that. there's a desire for it and there's a.

market for it and people are already. making money doing it I I don't know. though but okay so if you want ants put. down sugar MH the incentives need to be. there so yeah so let's put down some BP. could be the next traditional oil major. to invest in the quickly evolving. nuclear fusion seor I mean join a list. of companies including Chevron EI and. but that happened after I said it right. May 19 I said what few months ago ah.

Chang the date Jesus um that would I. think that's kind of the because those. guys you go would you buy stock in Shell. Oil today I wouldn't because if you like. if you were buying stocks and you said. I'm going to leave my kids a bunch of. stocks and shares what do I think it's. going to be there in 30 years time. yeah I I'm I'm sure and I don't know. whether it'll be like someone gluing. themselves to a a jumbo jet I think it's. going to be it's going to be someone. goes there's more money to be made like.

in New York with Henry Ford and like the. Wailing. industry you know if those guys want to. make money they went and they worked for. Rockefeller well obviously they realize. that as well which is why they're. investing so much money I love the idea. of that I've gone well we could be a. generation that goes look do you see. Oppenheimer do you see I haven't seen it. yet no oh my God Hur it's amazing it's. is it out on iTunes yet can you get it. in that's the problem you got to go to a. movie theater but it's worth going to a. movie I'm sure it is I think that thing.

with Christopher Nolan movies as well. you kind of go it's a bit like I know. Tarantino or kubric like that thing of. like you know when movies you go I wish. I'd been there to see kuri movies on the. big screen back in the day I remember. seeing the last uh uh Tarantino remember. going really clearly to Once Upon a Time. in America and going well how many how. many movies has this guy got left maybe. three or four right cuz they take a long. time to make only one we said one please. make more but you but sitting in the.

movie theater I haven't seen this movie. it's my first time seeing it I know I'm. going to see it four or five times and. it it's such. a yeah it's with the way it's meant to. be seen it's so special with the sound. and the immense screen yeah it's the way. it's meant to be SE it's incredible it's. incred I think the Nolan things as well. for me I mean you know whether you've. got favorites or not but they visually. just it's stunning mhm yeah absolutely. no I'm definitely going to see it I just. going to the movie theater to me is just.

last time I went to see a movie I. brought my kids to see Barbie and there. was a group of people just talking just. talking out loud right and someone had. to shut them up and just a lot of people. were frustrated before they shut them up. and you know it's like that thing rude. people it is uh It's Tricky that like do. you intervene mhm or not right you can. see yeah people get in fights and it's. like and it's not worth getting in a. fight over but you go especially if. you're s telling someone off and going. oh guys quiet please this is like and.

sometimes you get it in comedy shows. where you go I've done it before where. we went to see a show in the West End of. London and a lot of people at the show. had never been out to the theater before. because it attracted a broader audience. and like so people on their phones and. people were kind of chatting a little. bit but you kind of went okay but they. they're learning this thing like no. one's expected to get it the first time. right but you go there's a certain. etiquette to this it's like you go to a. comedy club the first time you're there. you might think yeah I could just.

because you're used to watching it on. Netflix so you think can chat and be on. your phone and then you're told and the. second time you know what's going on MH. like it feels like some but would you. tell it I mean in American Theater I. wouldn't I you got open carry here I. wouldn't take the risk yeah it does. happen people definitely get in fights. in movie theaters and that's why some. people are just very rude and they don't. give a [ __ ] about other people's. experiences you know and that's this. sort of agreement that you make when you. go to a movie theater is it you're going. to be polite and you're going to sit.

there and enjoy the film and you're not. going to disrupt it for other people. some people don't care I think I think. it's uh I think people are fundamentally. good yes and I think that thing of. they've not realized that and they're. embarrassed because they got caught out. like if it I mean sometimes like you. know 14 15 year old kids might just be. they didn't give a [ __ ] whatever they're. in a they're in their thing and they're. fronting great but I think most people. most grown people go oh yeah [ __ ] sorry. yeah but you can't say that because it's.

it's the it's that weird status game you. get into that that kind of uh did you. read that Will's store book status the. status game no really good like really. interesting about like there's kind of a. weird status game going on in every. interaction in life is his premise go. yeah there is like there's that weird. thing when you when you go into a coffee. shop you order a coffee and someone. comes in after you and they get serve. their coffee before you get yours no no. what the what the [ __ ] is going on here. right that weird reaction of going.

you're never going to see them again you. don't know who this is and somehow yet. you you're annoyed and perturbed by that. because our egos are quite fragile but. realizing we're in those status games. all the time so that thing of like why. fights in cinemas because there's a. weird status game going on with a. perfect stranger you're never going to. see again MH just silencing you but that. thing done martial arts or whatever and. I think that that thing that that. teaches kids we should really be again. we should teach comedy in schools I.

think martial arts would be a great. shout because the guys I know that have. done that very rarely get into fights. yeah it's very rare it would stop. bullying believe it or not it sounds. counterintuitive but most bullies bully. because they're insecure and they want. other people to feel bad so that they. feel powerful because they don't feel. powerful and if you could just teach. them martial arts they wouldn't do that. most of them there are a few that would. yeah but it would be but that's always. just going to have PE there's just such. a spectrum of psychological issues that.

some people have yeah but most people if. you taught the martial arts the. difficulty of doing it first of all it. drains all the anxiety and stress out of. your body because it's so physically. demanding so you're more calm andace. interesting thing when you think about. what I suffer a little bit with anxiety. not not so much the last while but I. have done historically and it's that. anxiety what is it yeah well you're. trying to solve a future problem now. something that hasn't happened it's like. a counterfactual in your head yeah. something that an imagined problem and.

you're trying to solve that and your. mind if you have a creative mind is. woring away yes trying to do that and. you're trying to you're obsessing you're. obsessing about this thing and so giving. yourself something to do in the moment. if you have to bench press something mhm. I'm afraid it's very difficult to worry. about the IM future problem right you're. in the moment yeah and I I presume even. more so I've never done martial arts but. even more so if someone has got you in a.

headlock 100% yeah and it it teaches you. discipline and there's a lot of things. that you know bullies need and and. people that are insecure need I mean one. of the more it's a very interesting. perspective there to go cuz our thing is. on dealing with bullying it's the people. that are bullied come forward and tell. someone mhm but actually that's a very. interesting point cuz Upstream of that. is the bully mhm and what the [ __ ] is. going on there like most of them are.

abused you'd be much more upset to hear. that your kid is a bully yes than is. being bullied I mean they're both bad. yeah they're both bad they're both bad. but if your kid if your kid's a bully. it's like ah [ __ ]. yeah he's a dick but you've raised. someone who's victimizing others. something something something bad. happened to your kid is bad yes your kid. doing something bad is worse I would. argue so that thing of going how do we. do something for them right so if you. listen there'll be young people. listening if you if you have that in.

you go to that yes go go to go to. discipline yes yeah and learn how to. conquer those demons and most bullies. have been abused the vast majority of. them been physically abused something. happened to them and now they want to. impose it on other people it's very sad. I mean it's very sad and it's it causes. so many suicides and so many people's. wrecked lives and there's so I met. people that have never gotten over. experiences that they had in in grade.

school yeah yeah it's it's an epidemic I. I mean that's the suicide epidemic is so. bad and it's the that line it's it's the. it's a permanent solution to a temporary. problem mhm it's just a lack of. perspective it's it's a lack of being. able to see yes you want this feeling to. end not life right this feeling MH and. this two Shall Pass you'll get through. it mhm you you there's another side to. this yes this your perspective is just.

but in that moment it's. so locked in it's just it's a it's a. horrible place to find yourself in it is. and it's so difficult to understand. someone else's perspective too because. we all have a certain amount of. discomfort in our life a certain amount. of anxiety a certain amount of. depression and with some people it's. it's just insurmountable yeah I think. it's it's it's yeah that thing of like. how difficult is it for them and you. kind of can't I mean we've had quite a. lot of friends I mean in the comedy. world yes um that have taken their own.

lives and I I always think the. surprising thing is how few people in. comedy haven't it's like we should see. what comedy does for people because a. lot of people are drawn to it they're. drawn to that light because of the. darkness and it's amazing actually what. it what it the cathartic nature of of. what we do and obviously you know sadly. some people still do yeah it's so. devastating when someone who's love like. a Robin Williams type person does it.

it's like I don't think as well I don't. think you can make the pain go away if. you commit suicide all you can do is. dissipate that pain well you and the. people that you love they will. experience that pain they get like it's. it's it's like it's an energy force that. goes okay it's got to be felt by by. someone it's just it's so awful yeah I. first experienced suicide when um I was. uh on news radio uh when I was on sitcom. one of the writers who's a good friend. of mine killed himself he's going. through some marital thing and called.

his wife in the phone and shot himself. in the head while he was on the phone. with his. wife and knowing that was just so. devastating it was just so horrible cuz. he was such a great guy what was he what. was he called what was his name yeah. Drew Drew yeah I don't want to put his. last name out there but it's I always. think it's nice to you know that that. old thing of like you die twice MH you. die when you die and you die the last. time someone says your name yeah it's. nice to remember people you know Drew.

jumps up I wish he hadn't yeah but it's. that thing it's nice to remember people. I think when you know it's horrible pain. to go through mean you know it's so. confusing though when you love a guy and. you think he's a great person and you. really love being around him you're. happy when you see him and then either. whatever whatever the hell they're going. through is just in their mind it's but. that like the most important. relationship you're going to have in. your life is the relationship you have. with yourself and the way some people. treat themselves and their internal.

dialogue and how they speak to. themselves like they they would never. treat another person like that right. it's awful and like that Circle of. compassion that they had you know the. good to everyone else in their life mhm. and yet they can't be good to themselves. right they can't include themselves in. that group yeah yeah there somehow just. a. voice yeah and it's you know there's a. lot of factors too and how they grew up. and well I mean yeah there's there's.

environmental but also there's genetic. things I mean some people are have a. predisposition towards uh depression I. mean I also think there's that thing of. like there's there's things that get. conflated like depression and sadness. like in my mid 20s I I thought at the. time I was depressed when I was working. for a big company I hadn't started doing. comedy yet hadn't found what I wanted to. do in my life and I thought I was. depressed and I wasn't I was sad and. being sad is somehow less socially. acceptable than being depressed but. being sad is great CU when you're sad.

it's like circumstantial I don't like. the circumstance that I find myself in. yes you can do something about that if. you have a depression a serotonin. imbalance in your head that's that's a. hard [ __ ] road it's a hard [ __ ]. road it really is yeah yeah I mean I I. do hear great things about I mean I've. Got a Friend mutual friend of ours uh. that was clinically depressed for 25. years. and is better because he's did some. Iowaska yeah it's it's extraordinary I.

think that's the other thing maybe we'll. see in the next 10 years that the. medical establishment someone's someone. up high in fisa is going do you know. what I think we could cure. this you know that thing of whatever's. in Iowaska I don't know it's made from. but someone's going to be going okay. that experience the people are having. like the the micro doing mushrooms that. they're giving to Veterans and they're. having incredible results with PTSD and. you know reintegrating those guys is.

phenomenal I mean it's amazing kind of. that it feels like that will. be we talked about the Overton window a. bunch of times today but that thing of. like pushing this conversation pushing. what is acceptable to talk about what. what people can do yes and that is. that's a great example of that over. window because that was not acceptable. to talk about just a few decades ago no. just a few years ago yeah I mean really. after Timothy lry it all got shut down. and kind of okay the classification for.

drugs went crazy it strikes me that the. are you know that uh William Gibson the. Sci-Fi writer I've heard of him he said. This brilliant thing he said the future. is here but it's not evenly distributed. huh I've heard that about the apocalypse. but but the idea that you go okay well. the apocalypse comes to us yeah well the. apocalypse is here is just not here no. okay well I mean it's in the Congo yeah. but yeah yeah yeah but that idea of. going we kind of have best practice in.

everything you care about somewhere in. the world yes so like Portugal is my. favorite example of this so Portugal. Lisbon the drug laws Lisbon used to be. the roughest I mean one of the roughest. towns in Europe it was like it's a port. city it was a big heroin Town it was. rough and I think 15 years years ago now. they they legalized all drugs. yes and here's the thing that's where. the story ends for a lot of people but. that's not what happened what they did. was they legalized all drugs they.

figured out how much money they were. spending on the war on drugs and they. spent it all on rehabs and education and. that argument about America I mean. that's the the the cure to the fenel. crisis is if they legalize drugs in. America and put all the money that. they're in like people don't want to be. on they want to be in rehab so you go. all of the DEA law enforcement stuff. goes into therapeutic things like no one. no one seems to get addicted to. mushrooms and ioska that once once you. get the message you hang up the phone MH.

right so that thing of like whatever the. method is that works for you it might be. 12ep could be some psychotropic you know. whatever it is whatever works for you. but imagine the research that could go. into that with that budget and you go. look you're not going to win the war on. drugs you don't even like there's. prisons High security category a prisons. and they've got drugs in them you can't. even keep the drugs out of there good. luck with the. borders yeah it's it strikes me as like.

you go just admit you're not going to. win that fight right and what are we. going to do and that best practice of. going well that's going on in Portugal. now they've done a 15-year test case we. know it works I mean Lisbon now have you. been to Lisbon no you go Lisbon yeah. food is I mean I mean the Portuguese. it's fabulous such a great City such a. great City Lisbon and Porto I mean I. don't really know the rest of Portugal. that well but it's they're both.

phenomenal places to play gigs and they. love standup comedy it's just a Wonder. crazy that little country was like. Conquering the world at one point in. time sorry I'm from Great Britain hi hi. hi yeah you did too we had a great run. wasn't bad I tell you what we used to. own. this sort of crazy yeah crazy right it. is crazy it's crazy how Empires rise and. fall and that's one of the things that. people are wondering currently about. America if we're in the last throws of a. Dying Empire well here's M I got a hot.

take on this please I don't think they. do so I don't think the Roman Empire. fell I think it became a. church I think the so the the Rome fell. but the Roman Empire became the church. where's all the money from the Roman. Empire the Vatican in the basement of. the Vatican is where it is yeah yeah. that's that's I don't think the British. the Vatican yeah it's incredible bizarre. it's incredible a city within a city the. wealth the the sheer wealth in art is.

overwhelming yeah like St Peter's. Basilica when I walked in there I my. mouth was open the entire time I was. there. like you just can't believe the amount. of craftsmanship the architecture the. art the painting well I mean if you. think about culturally what happened. every song every painting was about God. until 100 years ago and now every song's. about love I think they're talking about. the same thing but that's me being an.

old so Roman Empire became a church. British Empire became a bank oo so we. gave our Empire back we said oh yeah. sorry we sorry about that you can have. that back uh we gave you know Saudi. Arabia back and one all these other. places that we'd sort of we taken the. resources and then they had their own. money and then we then we went oh what. what are you what are you doing with. that money cuz we've got this thing. called the city of London what I tell. you what it's your money but we're going. to hold it we we'll have it over here is.

that okay yeah fine great so we still. got that thing of like and culturally I. think you know America is I mean. America's extraordinary it's an. extraordinary place it's kind of based. on this amazing premise it it strikes me. that America is um. uh it's better. now. objectively than it has ever been and. subjectively worse than it's ever.

been so you go the the experience it. seems bad but objectively when you look. at the metrics it's good so that's kind. of stepen Pinker thing but I mean. subjectivity is important like people. aren't people feel like they're at War. mhm and actually this is the the land of. milk and hone. you know it's it's uh and I think it's. still got a bit of that thing of like. the you know Austin Texas maybe has it. as much as anywhere it's it's it's.

Whispering you know go and be yourself. yeah the pursuit of happiness it's still. got that kind of that that dream well. I'm always fascinated how people from. other parts of the world see. it that's what's interesting when. someone comes here and they just like. look around like I had the trigonometry. guys here the other day oh yeah yeah and. Francis and const Constantine and when. we were here and we we were coming to. the club they were like mate this place. is incredible like the just the freedom. that you guys have and the the the.

wildness that's in the air like it's so. it's so intoxicating and exciting like. this is something something's really. happening here well you know it's that. it's a beacon it's always been a bit of. a beacon America cuz it's kind of. founded on an idea and you know it's. that. it's it Devil's in the detail I always. think of the Statue of Liberty you ever. seen there's a thing in in Paris in the. uh the Muse dors there's the model they. made a model of the because it was.

crowdfunded the the Statue of Liberty it. was a gift from the people of France to. the people of America right kind of post. Revolution they thought this a good idea. yeah we'll get them something nice we'll. get them a nice statue so they funded It. the French people gave money and the. thing when you see it when you see the. model of the Statue of Liberty you. realize she's not just carrying a torch. she's walking. forward you realize she's moving forward. and it kind of changes it. yeah no it's it's you know there. there'll be I think there's potential.

for I. mean I think America hasn't seen its. finest days yet I would I would hope I. would hope as well I mean Britain has to. find a new place in the world but you. know the brexit and everything happened. we need to find you know it's purpose. like I think with people with. nations with with the world it's like. finding purpose is very important yeah. and what's the next you know purpose. going to be how are we going to fit in. what's our place going to. be yeah let's end there it's. perfect fun talking [ __ ] yeah yeah.

appreciate you brother thank you very. much thanks for being here oh tell. everybody about your. tour oh um big tour I'm Shilling a tour. yeah okay hi hi my name's now now I know. we talked a lot about suicide but I'm a. really funny guy come to me live. that's a gear change isn't it it is yeah. it's a if you care to buy the best come. and see me live I I'm a oneliner guy. very edgy I'm on Netflix check me out. before you come to the show it might not. be for you it might be you're a very.

funny guy all right I'm a fan thank you. very much appreciate thank you man my. pleasure all right bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].