Joe Rogan Experience #2043 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day uh when you have headphones on in a. video game like you can hear things. behind you yeah yeah yeah you can hear. things in front of you like you get a. sense of where they are that's one of. the godamn those things are addictive. yeah man I'm a gay so addictive yeah but. that's that's why cuz the the they they.

have it's so immersive now you know are. you into video games oh my God I have a. real problem I can't play them I. literally can't play them I can play. pool right cuz pool I'm addicted to that. but pool to me is like a mind exercise. it's like a concentration exercise as. much as it is a game like it's all about. like everything has to move together and. perfect synchronicity and when I'm. playing video games I'm just absorbed in. this like adrenaline fueled chaos of. grass graphics and sounds and explosions.

it's just way too good that's the. problem you don't want to do anything. else you just want to [ __ ] go crazy. and play video games there's this game I. I play Escape from tarov that I just uh. I shouldn't be allowed to play it it's. not good for my family man it's just. like 10 hours a day and before you know. it the whole day is gone lose sleep yeah. Wolfenstein 3D that was the game where. it just that felt kind of like the first. time I saw Wolfenstein 3 3D which.

probably shows how old I am now that's. the original ID software title that's. like the first one they did right you. quit at the right time. man yeah that's what it looked like oh. man so many hours of my childhood was. spent on that yeah so I started off with. Quake one I had Quake Quake one on a. computer I was just playing the game. itself Cu uh they had put cuz I used a. Mac and so then they put out have a. cigar gentlemen thank you brother we're. like gentlemen here oh thank you nice.

one enjoying some company um but uh that. was just you just play the game and then. I found out about online playing I was. like oh. no oh no this what a life suck that is. yeah do you let your kids play they play. games yeah but fortunately one's one's. really in the Roblox which Roo robloxs r. o b o l or B LX I think that's what is.

right um it's just like they have these. little worlds they create and they run. around with their friends in there it's. like it seems like fun you just have to. limit the amount of time they do it and. you have to explain to them like don't. just let them figure out it's addictive. explain to them that it's addictive yeah. explain to them that there's things that. you're going to want to get really good. at that won't help you yes it's a great. way of looking at it because like I had. a friend and he was uh one of the guys. who was one of the managers of the ComEd. store super awesome guy and uh he was.

hooked on. EverQuest you know that game remember. that game remember that game Jamie do. like massive old online multiplayer game. you're a wizard you're casting spells. and [ __ ] that kind of thing and one day. I'll never forget we were all standing. around in The Comedy Store bar and he. was pale pale like paper like he hadn't. been out of the house in days like he. just his eyes were sunk into his head he. goes I am so good at making money in the.

game and so bad at doing it in real life. like whoa I was like okay you've put all. your energy into getting really good at. something that doesn't do you any good. unless you're going to be a professional. which they do have that's a hard thing. to say to a kid don't be don't play. video games if then you find out how. much video game players are making right. it's like don't start a podcast exactly. right are we dinosaurs [ __ ] they're so.

good I'm not talking [ __ ] about games. what you got to control is what you're. saying they're too good they're too good. they're your life is boring as [ __ ]. compared to those games like there's no. way there's no way it's as exciting as. playing like Quake 3 Arena online with a. like a a 30inch monitor and you're. sitting right in front of it and you're. got [ __ ] headphones on explosions and. lightning. guns it's amazing because if you think. about it right like computer games are.

instant gratification well and that's. how you get success in a computer game. but if you think about life life how to. become successful is basically deferred. gratification yeah and there's another. level to it which is in a computer game. rewards a linear you you work for a bit. you get a reward you work for a bit you. get a reward you work for a bit you but. life isn't like that in life you work. for a bit you get [ __ ] kick to [ __ ]. for for for years sometimes right you. got to work and work and work and. sometimes it's going to be really shitty.

for a long time and then there may be a. reward or they may not sometimes the. work is the reward itself right so that. in some ways it actually changes how you. think about achieving things and doing. things as well which is you know I have. sometimes found that helpful because you. kind of know if you work you get a. reward but sometimes it can mess with. your reward system as well I think you. know well you look at what video games. do it encourages you to spend as much. time doing them as possible the more you. do them the more whatever you're doing.

you acquire yeah you know if that that's. kind of the case with real life well. think about like stock Brokers think. about those kind of folks folks are you. know you know just in trying to make. money just trying to figure out what to. buy and what to sell and it's all for. them it's all numbers so they must be. like addicted to these numbers like. you're Pro they're probably super. addicted to like seeing their bank. account and seeing their hedge funds. seeing what do what do they have like. how much how much I need more than that. M you know like you you compare yourself.

and you you read the list of the richest. people in the world oh this guy's got. 200 billion holy [ __ ] I got to do. better you know what I thought how do. you keep going once you got to like a. billion how do you motivate yourself to. like make more you've got more money. unless what you're doing is what you. enjoy doing which is where Elon falls. into that c right he's making money but. what he does is he's I mean it's. essentially it's all engineering stuff. all of it you know it's Innovation and.

Engineering you know the boring company. they're trying to like drill tunnels. under the cities that's crazy the SpaceX. that's [ __ ] insane you're you're. shooting Rockets into space you want to. put people on Mars electric cars you're. engineering electric cars electric rofes. like everything is like this new. Innovative product starlink Oh Let's Get. just get highspeed internet and [ __ ]. fly it through the. sky people keep seeing those things and. thinking they're UFOs by the way do they. yeah yeah but it's also as well like if.

you think about like making money what. is really making money it's the deal and. actually you just get addicted to the. deal you know it's like a form of. gambling I'm going to try this tactic. but no they push back on here but I'm. going to do this and then I'm going to. do that and then and then maybe if we. try that then this is going to happen. and then you make the deal and boom you. get the dopamine yeah that makes sense. that makes sense I know some hedge fund. guys who love doing it you after the. first billion too well if they really. enjoy that game I guess I mean I guess. it's kind of like playing you know Magic.

the Gathering or. something I mean it is a game you're. you're you're playing it to win it yeah. but social media is a game yes and it's. it's a game a lot like video games yeah. where it's like you're really not. getting anything out of this and. probably losing a lot of your time to I. suppose for people like us we're. building profile and you know you know. connections I've met so many amazing. people actually through social media. sure we're all on it right we're all on.

it but also we're all on it yeah and. some of the people that are on it aren't. even really there like what you there's. so much interaction that's instigated. there's so much there's so many. inflammatory accounts that I read them. and I'm like there is no way that's a. real person no like this is all design. this is all like there's just a certain. percentage of people that are just. trying to stir up [ __ ] in conversations. all the time and they usually have like. American flags in their profile.

it's like you know like some some Trump. thing in their name and then you go to. their account it doesn't look real at. all and you're like I wonder where this. is is this guy in in malova like where. where is he like where is he yeah is he. in lva like where where's this guy. that's doing this yeah there's so many. people like that there's one guy I'm not. going to mention his name but he he. lives in Asia and he's always commenting. about America and I'm like mate should. you not be commenting about your own. country instead of clipping riots in. America well he he get killed.

you know displaced protest good [ __ ]. luck tweeting bad [ __ ] about China if. you're in China they they got that. pretty locked down oh oh they do oh they. do yeah and there's uh several countries. that of Arrested people for tweets you. know which we come from one of them yeah. yeah I know you guys do you do 2018. 3,000 people man 3,000 people got. arrested for tweeting bad things not. tweeting but social media Post Yeah Yeah.

so between what was the biggest one was. it had be Facebook right that's where. people complain the most is it probably. I think those are the complain as folks. those are the older folks uh yeah I mean. the the most famous example is count. danilla the internet comedian where you. taught his pug to do a Nazi salute but. there's been lots of others examples you. know people there's a tragic fire that. happened in London called the greld fire. it was awful people were literally burnt. to death in this Tower block and these. group of people they were idiots. basically did a representation on.

bombfire night in November the 5th in. our country and they did a. representation of people in the tower. and set fire to it they videoed it they. were laughing along now obviously that's. a dick move I think we can all agree. with that but you don't arrest somebody. for that for basically being a dick yeah. it shouldn't be illegal to be stupid no. it just that's a you're crossing a line. because you're making a subjective. judgment you know like it's not funny to. me and it's it's not funny probably to a.

lot of rational people but you should be. able to try like the whole thing about. doing something like a lot of times when. people do outrageous things they think. are going to be funny they don't know. and then they try it that's not a a. thing you should arrest people for. because you're setting a crazy precedent. because then it becomes subjective like. what's outrageous and what's not it. could move to anything it could move to. you know trans identification or trans. rights it could move to anything vaccine.

hesitancy I mean we can keep going yeah. vaccine hesitancy not not supporting. Ukraine there there's a whole slew of. things that could be stuffed into that. box once you open it you just can't open. that box that box has got to be people. have to be able to this this is how we. have to conduct ourselves people have to. be able to express themselves and they. have to be able to use facts and reality. and not get censored and they have to be. able to do that kind of universally and. if they can't do that if the good ideas. can't compete against the bad ideas then.

the good ideas aren't good enough so we. have to figure it out a strengthen the. good ideas but the only way that works. is if you don't censor people because as. soon as you start censoring people. you're admitting that you don't want to. engage in this you don't want you don't. want to you don't want to show a better. way of looking at things you just want. to be the only person who gets to talk. and that's what we saw on social media. over the last few years and which is why. Elon buying Twitter was such a big. [ __ ] deal it's a big [ __ ] deal and.

I know advertisers are panicking and. people are saying that hate talk is up. and I must admit I have seen a lot of. wild [ __ ] on X now that I don't think I. would have ever seen before like openly. racist stuff some pretty gross stuff and. it's just it's also it's just weird how. comfortable people are uh talking a. certain way and it's almost like I. wonder like how much of the idea of it. being uh completely uncensored now it's. not totally uncensored mean there's some. moderation right there's things you.

can't do you can't do people you can't. do a lot of things and they can't catch. everything either how many didn't they. fire like most. people I mean nothing much changed. though like I didn't I didn't feel it. terrible I think that in terms of the. hate speech stuff or whatever you call. that whatever it is that's just a. product of the fact that they're not. moderating as much and I I actually. think I mean what you said was you know. just preach on that but I also think on. top of that we have to those of us who. believe in freedom of expression we have. to also admit that freedom comes out a. cost and it's worth paying yeah that's.

what we have to be honest about I think. we have to say we're getting Freedom at. the cost of some un discomfort some. people are allowed to be dicks yeah and. that's the price we're willing to pay I. mean Freedom always comes at a cost. right and it's tradeoffs you could make. the country really safe if you lock. every man between 18 and 40 in a prison. but we don't do that because we. understand we can't do that right. despite what some feminists. want statistically though they'd be. right that's what's crazy that's what. I'm saying right that's who commits the.

crimes yeah yeah I used to have this bit. about what would it be like if women. caused all. wars because men caused all of them yeah. men caus every [ __ ] War that's ever. happened yeah pretty much I mean maybe. women were. involved well I mean there's Helen of. Troy yeah yeah but she wasn't out there. fighting she justed to be with her true. love mate it was her fault that can be a. factor yeah you know there's like really. strong women [ __ ] whip Kings a lot of.

that. happens but for the most part you know. if you locked all the men up yeah right. there would be no crime except in jail. be a lot of crime in jail let's let's. stop giving them. ideas well it's you know you can't. obviously you can't do that but it's. also it's. like what do. you how do we fix all of the like insane. tension in the world today it seems like.

this is at no other time in my life have. I felt like there's more conflict and. more like tension in the air like it. didn't used to be that people with. differing ideas whether they're on the. right or the left we so [ __ ]. hateful so in like I've seen the the. kind of rhetoric that you see online is. just so like if we don't win democracy. is LW and it's from both sides I think.

the problem is man is that we spend all. our time on these platforms which. incentivizes that type of behavior. because it's always going to be the most. controversial take the most reactionary. point of view that's going to gain the. most engagement and that's going to work. with the algorithm which is going to. drive it so really you know people. respond to incentives and you're. incentivizing people to be more. reactionary more divisive more. aggressive when the reality is as we all. know like if if you got those two people.

to sit in front of one another and have. a conversation they wouldn't behave like. that because you have the added element. of getting a punch in the face yeah. that's another thing right like most. people would never communicate the way. they communicate online in real life. yeah and it's partly what France said. which is the potential for violence. right yeah it's real it's real and and. it's maybe a guy thing but we. instinctively know that right there's a. level Bill b used to have this. incredible bit of how he would behave if. if it was illegal to you you know if you. couldn't hit him you know just walk up.

to a gim Bros snap his handshake. milkshake out of his hand yeah so the. face to face thing changes everything. because most of the way we communicate. is actually not in the words right it's. well this is how we're designed right. yeah we're designed to communicate in in. in person we're designed to take social. cues verbal cues physical cues yeah know. just you could sense energy in people. yeah you can sense that people are upset. with you even though their expression. doesn't change you know it's interesting. it's really interesting and we've also.

come to this point Joe which is really. worrying to me where people think that. words of violence that's crazy man you. know and if you think that words of. violence and if you literally interpret. it as that then you having an argument. with someone is you literally being. physically assaulted so if you're going. if you feel like you're being physically. assaulted then you're going to up the. anti and you're going to become more. aggressive as a result you're Justified. to defend yourself yeah yeah if you. think that everyone is a Nazi like a. literal Nazi like you feel just ified in. your actions and you a lot of them are.

convinced of that it's it's like being. in a cult but are they convinced though. this is what I wonder Joe is like they. they keep using that word about. everybody right yeah but if you actually. thought democracy was over and the Nazis. have taken over wouldn't you like pick. up a gun and rise up and overthrow but. but pretty close to. that it seems like if you woke up one. day and that broke out in Philadelphia. you wouldn't be stunned yeah right you. know you're seeing what looting in the. craziness in Philadelphia is right now.

right yeah yeah yeah it's Bonkers man. this defunded police stuff is. psychotic it's crazy to literally. encourage crime because if you don't. have incentives if you don't have. something in place to keep people from. committing crime and people that have. already committed crime in their life. like multiple times like many times. they're just going to do it whenever. they want and that's what you're saying. yeah yeah yeah it's amazing how and and.

it's part of this sort of mindset that. every human behavior is a product of the. circumstances but it's not some people. will commit crime right and we have to. also have a system that prevents that. from happening we have to have police we. have to have everything else right um. and decriminalizing crime is a bad idea. it's a stupid idea and it's just this. idea that's born out of guilt not logic. yeah it's born out of virtue signaling. not rational thinking it's just not a. the way to do it if you have bad cops.

you're supposed to train them to be. better you should fund them better treat. them better respect them more and then. they should have more of a relationship. with the community it should be a a. thing where they're trying to literally. protect you not constantly persecute. people and [ __ ] with people and it's. like that that line is very a thin line. then also who the [ __ ] wants that job. who the [ __ ] wants to be yelled at all. the time who wants to be the. professional enemy who wants to be. someone that it's okay to just shoot at. who wants to be the person that every. body you interact with is lying to you.

was there a time in your life Joe where. the police were respected by most people. there's always been problems you know. there was problem Hunter as Thompson. wrote about the Chicago riots being one. of the most horrific things that he ever. saw in his life the way cops were. beating the people with clubs and [ __ ]. it's there's always been bad cops just. like there's always been bad plumbers. yeah there's just bad some people just. suck they suck at what they do and you. know they come from a bad environment. they don't you you know they didn't have. good Role Models they grew up around.

[ __ ] they don't have any motivation. maybe they're hooked on drugs and they. suck at what they do and that could be. anything anybody could suck at anything. cops too there's cops that are awesome. human beings I know a lot of cops that. are great people from Jiu-Jitsu I've. known so many cops CU cops are. constantly training and generally. they're really nice guys with a [ __ ]. really hard job but you don't hear about. those you hear about the one that does. some horrible things. you see about the one who plants the gun.

on the guy after he shoots them you see. the one where people shoot people when. they're reaching for their wallets you. see you see the crazy [ __ ] you see. people punching women in the face you. see crazy [ __ ] right but you don't see. all the positive interactions and you. don't see what happens if you get rid of. them and that's what you're seeing with. this these Smash and grabs this these. are [ __ ] bananas man cuz they're. everywhere now and people are seeing so. many of them on the Internet and they're. the people are getting away with them.

and it's encouraging them yeah and this. is what happened you know and you know. Venezuela was always had a problem with. lawlessness but when Chavez came to. power after a few years you know they. said the cops weren't going to prosecute. people criminals because Prosecuting a. crime is a sign of right-wing. oppression where have you heard that. before right and as a result of that it. became so completely and utterly Lawless. the the the city became uninhabitable it. became the murder capital of the world. and the kidnapp capital of the world. because there's always going to be a.

small subset of society who are. criminals and who will then look to. maximize their opportunities to make. money yeah there's there's a couple. arguments about this that make sense. when when people say that they're a. victim of their circumstance and we we. have to appreciate that they were put. into a horrible circumstance in life and. they're just trying to get by that's. true too yeah so what we have to do that. we're not doing and is try to figure out. how to stop that how to stop how how to.

make like a minimum quality of life for. everybody where you're no one's growing. up in dire poverty that if you could. send how many I mean how many trillions. of dollars have we spent just on. Military budgets over the last few years. if they figured out a way to give. contractors a lot of money to fix. neighborhoods like to like completely. clean them up provide modern housing.

take care of all the figure out ways to. set people up for work programs and give. people jobs like if that was like. financially viable just like Halbert and. had those contracts to rebuild Iraq. after we blew it up if they had. something like that for inner cities. where they could these guys could. literally make money doing it that could. be one way to kind of re-engineer things. because if they could just figure out. how to do that you'd have so much less.

crime You' have a lot less crime you'd. have a lot less crime if people had hope. if people had Role Models if they had. community centers if they had really. good education and they had Safe Streets. just that alone just that alone yeah it. would it would reduce crime a lot. definitely take a long [ __ ] time. though because you got generation after. generation of people lived there when. you're talking about like really [ __ ]. up gang neighborhoods no one's done. anything about those neighborhoods for a. long time yeah yeah it's generation it's. like built into the people that live.

there they're accustomed to it and you. know it's family structure as well once. once you disrupt all that there's not. enough male role models where people. where are young kids going to look for. for a role model is going to be the men. with status around them who's that going. to be drug dealers right yeah gang. members status and money that's them and. guys who grew up in those kind of. neighborhoods all have that story yeah. you and that's true too you know like. yeah you can't defund the police but you. also can't ignore the plight of a good. percentage of our community like we're.

supposed to be a United Community of. human beings we call ourselves Americans. we live on the same patch of land except. for Alaska and. Hawaii Alaska is the dumbest like how is. that ours you know it's not even. connected you know people don't talk. about the culture aspect about it a lot. I remember when I was teaching at a. school it was a really rough school I. taught a kid let's call him Darren and. it's one of the smartest kids I've ever. encountered so bright I remember he was. always getting kicked out of school uh.

get kicked out of lessons and when I was. like one of the jobs that you do as a. teacher is you walk around the corridor. and you pick up the kids who get kicked. out of the lesson and I just I then. taught Darren chess and within about two. days he could beat me at chess he was. super super super bright one of the. brightest kids I've ever encountered but. because he came from a criminal family. he was never going to make it through. school he just wasn't because the the. values that had been inculcated him. right the way from. meant that he was never going to succeed.

and this is what that I found. frustrating that a lot of people didn't. get they were like he's a bad kid he's a. bad y he's a kid who's a product of his. culture and it takes a very special. person to be able to break out of that. and generally they have to find. something to break out whether it's uh. music or sports or something yeah that. breaks them out stand up comedy that. breaks them out of that some some new. world that they can enter into and. succeed in and then they can leave the. old world behind and at the same time. coming back to the point you made.

earlier crime still has to be illegal we. can understand people's circumstances. and not encourage and incentivize them. to commit crime yeah we have to be able. to do both we we have to walk in ch gum. at the same time man we got to be right. we have to be yeah we have to be able to. do both but the the way to fix it is not. defunding the police that's not the that. that's the worst strategy but that's. such a virtue signaling strategy that's. like well look what they did to George. Floyd no look what one guy did one guy.

did and there was a more than. appropriate response by the people that. saw that video people freaked the [ __ ]. and the violence and the the burning of. all that smashing and [ __ ] very. unfortunate but that outblast of hate it. at least should make people recognize. that a you can be held responsible for. something horrific like that if. someone's filming it and then also that. those kind of cops do exist and also. that it's on all of them M and we got to. figure out a way to train cops or screen.

them better. or like Joo says that you should train. them the same way they train seals like. seals develop they go through this. training program and then they dedicate. a certain amount of time forever for. training they're always training cops. don't do that they just stay cops yeah. yeah and he's like you should dedicate a. certain percentage of their time should. be dedicated to training and they should. be held accountable but it's also it's. like you're asking a lot and then on top. of that you're essentially dealing with.

people that have a high instance of PTSD. very very high instance and not. discussed and not appreciated you hear. about PTSD from people that are victims. of violence and people that are victims. War you you hear about that but you. don't hear about it about cops yeah and. and also the point you made early I mean. how much does it TR how much does it. take to train a seal yeah taks a lot. right how much does it how much do we. spend training police officers nearly as. much and also like hey you shouldn't be.

fat like hey if you and also you should. be able to physically defend yourself. yeah you know and even if you're a woman. you should know Jiu-Jitsu you should. know you should be able to defend. yourself because we've seen time and. time again these horrific situations. where cops can't physically defend. themselves and some criminal gets loose. and beats the [ __ ] out of them yeah I. mean I've seen so many videos of this. one was horrible this lady pulled this. guy over and the guy's daughter was in.

the car she's like don't Daddy don't. Daddy and he's beating the [ __ ] out of. this lady cop you know I when I left. University I did a like attempt job at. the Metropolitan Police just doing like. paperwork and what was really. interesting when I was working in those. offices is there were a lot of cops. there working and they were all just. guys who were burnt out PTSD out their. eyeballs they couldn't function anymore. and all they all they did was just. routine admit jobs I used to go with. these guys to go and drink and like.

really good guys really good guys and. the stories they told me that just. horrific and the drinking culture and. the only way a lot of these guys were. functioning is by working most of them. you know they had one or two marriages. they had failed and then they would just. go out and just get smashed because that. was their only way of coping because the. the support for them was minimal they. didn't have any support if you go to a.

murder scene and you see you know a guy. who's basically killed himself and then. shot his daughter and his wife and you. don't have any type of support when you. come out to talk to to help you to. process that what are you good that. you're not meant to be exposed to that. all the time all the time all the time. that's all you do that's all you do yeah. and we don't even consider that it's. just such a stupid. under. appreciation and it's it's just so.

unfortunate that that's so prevalent and. it it's somehow or another equated to. liberalism and I just think it's just. the wrong approach I think it's like. fundamentally it's the the wrong. approach I empathize and I even agree. with how they feel about the way this. the setup in this country is not fair. it's not fair there are people that do. not get a fair starting block their.

starting block sucks like where where. they take off from in life it's not the. same as yours it's not the same as mine. but we got to fix that the thing is not. like fixing it when it gets to all the. way to letting violent criminals out. because you think they were wronged in. life like you're just going to let. violent criminals out then you're not. changing them because you acknowledge. the fact that they've been done wrong. and also we have to be real in the. society like yours and like ours where. we Define poverty I mean look your the.

communities you're talking about they. are really in in deep trouble of course. but we still we Define poverty in. relative terms and somebody will always. be poorer than other people you know yes. but dire poverty food stamps welfare you. don't have money for food I know but but. those people are much wealthier than. many other people I grew up around which. is crazy right right like it's 34% or. $34,000 a year is one 1% of the world. yeah yeah people call themselves like. you know these 1 Cent that's you that's. you right that's everybody here that's.

all of us you know well especially most. people working make more than $34,000 a. year so most people in America that have. a full-time job yeah they're probably. making more than $34,000 a year and. they're in the top 1% of the world yeah. you you know the thing that I don't. think people talk about enough so I've. when I was teaching I taught in rural. communities and in a lot of rural. communities because of globalization. because of deindustrialization. there's just generation after generation.

who are growing up who are becoming. adults and there is no work there is no. work for the vast majority of them and. what it inculcates in them is a sense of. hopelessness and if you grow up in a. culture where you feel that there is no. hope and you look around you and. everyone is broken and no one is working. and everyone is given up then even as a. kid you think to yourself well well. what's the point of doing anything. because I'm just going to end up like. Uncle Dave on the sofa getting you know. what mean even if you don't. intellectually think it emotionally you.

feel it well that's a thing that can. happen to kids in high school so if. you're in high school and you're hanging. around with a crowd who likes to party. and drink and and [ __ ] off and not do. much and you know those are the fun. people to hang out with and then you get. out of school and now you're supposed to. get a job you you have to now you're on. your own you have to figure it out and. these guys aren't figuring it out if. you're trapped in that kind of a friend. group like you can get sucked in into. very low expectations you know and you.

could you could [ __ ] waste a long. chunk of your life before you figure. that out totally man and you know. culture you're right Francis is such a. powerful thing I mean I when I was um. when I was 18 I spent a few weeks. sleeping in the park I didn't have money. and my you know I had a long family. situation that was very bad but it never. occurred to me that I would stay there. because that wasn't what I came from and. it wasn't the environment I was raised. in I always knew that I would get out of. it you know uh and culture you know. whatever attitude whatever you want to. call it will will push you through.

things that if you don't have it it's. going to be impossible right if you. don't have expectations that you know. you know you don't know people that have. succeeded in life and done well and. that's a better word expectations than. culture. expectations if you're in a [ __ ]. place like Southside of Chicago have you. ever looked at the murder rate [ __ ] man. it's it's heartbroken there's so many. crazy videos of shootouts in the street. it's like I just watched one the other. day guy pulls over jumps out of the car. shoots these guys.

which just happening on the street. you're these kids are growing up in a. war zone so if you're a kid and you're. growing up there and you're 15 years old. how many people have you seen killed. three four five how many have you seen. killed if you're are you out at night. are you at 13 years old are you roaming. around the street streets at night being. wild and are are you seeing gang. violence are you are you participating. in it like and what do you want as a. young man you want status you want money. yeah you want girls who are the people. all the people that you see around you.

who are who are the people that have. that also it's probably pretty [ __ ]. exciting oh man. yeah you know shoot some guns yeah lot. better than working at Lowe's yeah when. I was again like I was working in East. London and one of the this is a thing. you know because I I try always to have. compassion for people when obviously. you're human sometimes you just like. right but the thing that I found most. heartbreaking man is like there were kid. in my class who I taught they had.

learning difficulties they were you know. they you know they low IQ they weren't. particularly bright they were sweet kids. and they were just targeted by gangs cuz. gangs knew that they could groom them. that they were 10 11 years old there was. no one at home no one cared for them. they could groom them and then they. could become drug Runners and whatever. else you know my ex was an educational. psychologist she was working with a lot. of these kids one one of her kids like. went missing the kid went missing 10 11. years old this this was in North London. she was working the kid was found in.

Scotland literally a different country. at the other end of the island and. you're like you know and it was it was. gang it was gang you know because they. take him they groom him they give him. money they're the first person who shows. him affection the first person to show. you know what everybody else has written. you off everyone else thinks you're. stupid but you know what come and join. us come and join us I'll show you. respect I'm going to give you. responsibility and you know what else. you're going to do you're going to get. money here's a. question we we all have we all have this.

vision of a utopian society where there. is no longer War there is no longer. crime and but it's never existed it's. never existed even briefly isn't it what. is there. something that human beings it's almost. like built into the operating system of. human beings that you need a certain. amount of antagonists a certain amount. of protagonists to keep things moving. and that the the urgency that everybody.

feels right now is like social urgency. it's almost like we're building up to. like an ideological Super Bowl like. we're going to figure out which one of. these ideas makes the most sense you. know you know it's like it feels like. there's like this tension build up and I. almost wonder if that's something that. we need in order to figure things out. like we need this chaos we need people. trying to control narratives we need. people trying to censor people M we need. people to do it so we realize how. horrific it is so we act out and we talk.

about it so it's not like this slow. creeping sensorship where you don't. notice it it's like it's shocking. there's censoring news stories that. could hurt the you know the the party. that they want to win in in the. elections it's crazy stuff it is crazy. and we had the case with de banking in. the UK where this guy njel farage I. don't know if you know him he I did hear. about that story yeah he's kind of like. the Donald Trump of the UK in some ways. you know very unpopular with something. very with some people very popular with. others and his bank which was a kind of.

like bank for wealthy people they closed. his account without explaining why um he. started doing some digging he did a. freedom of information request or. something it's not called out but it's. basically the same thing um and the the. bank came out and said it's because he. doesn't have enough money [ __ ]. turned out it wasn't true uh eventually. he got the information saying the the. transcripts of their internal. conversations were that part of the. reason they shut his account down was.

political right and then we had the. financial conduct Authority which is the. people who supposed to investigate this. stuff they did an investigation and said. there was no political debank going on. all the newspapers reported it and in. paragraph five of that same article you. can see that his case was not taken into. account in the report right so they they. lied about it stage after stage after. stage and now you've got mainstream. journalists spreading this crap that. to do is have a good headline all they.

have to do is have a good headline the. inside of it can be nonsense and they. can even show you in front right in. front of your face why what they're. saying is incorrect and it doesn't. matter and then they all [ __ ] and whine. and then they go why is no one watching. all content well here's the wildest one. that's going on right now you know the. maral Lago controversy of the the price. pricing or the uh the inflated value of. the house value of the mara they the. judge ruled that it was worth 18 million. it's 20 acres in like the most expensive.

real estate in that area like a house. down the street from it much smaller. just sold for $50 million wow even forb. said it's worth somewhere between I. think see if what forb said I think they. said it was worth between $ 3700 million. and uh they were saying that it's worth1. 18. [Laughter]. million it's like they don't even try to. pretend yeah why does no one trust the. mainstream the guy says his house it's. worth a billion dollars right yeah and.

then you come along and say no no no. it's worth like 800 million forb says. it's worth as much as700 million we. we'll call it 700 million now you got a. reasonable argument yeah but if you say. 18 million like you got to know that's a. a palace that place is a palace it's 20. acres get the [ __ ] out of here this is. great you can't do that that's like too. obvious that you're just you don't give. a [ __ ] about the truth they don't you. don't give a [ __ ] about the truth oh he. claimed it was worth one 1.5 billion in. latest plea to drop fraud case but judge.

ruled it's wildly inflated yeah but the. judge does not have an accurate sense of. the market in my opinion just that the. property size alone it's such a giant. chunk of. property you so that says it's worth. somewhere about half a bill right is. that what is that what no so he say the. judge was saying that it's worth between. eight it says Okay um citing a report. from the city of Palm Beach that pegged. the value of marao between 18 million.

and 27.6 million between 2011 and 2021. okay so it was 18 million and now it's. worth because of inflation. 27 um 325 million that's how much Forbes. estimated Mar lago's worth as of. September although we Peg its net value. at 292 million after deducting roughly. 33 million in debt okay so it's got debt. so I think with this they're saying the. scam is is you wildly overinflate a.

piece of real estate again I don't know. jack [ __ ] about real estate all right. just to just but I think what you do is. you say I got a house worth a billion. dollars I need a loan and they give you. a loan based on this billion dollar. property you have but if then they send. an appraiser you say hey but this house. worth1 million then you're like uhoh so. now you really got a loan but you got a. loan based on something that's not. really worth as much so they're. collateral or whatever it is it would. the reason why they would give you that. much money doesn't make any sense yeah.

but clearly that can't be accurate have. you seen pictures of that [ __ ] place. show some photos of Mara Lago and if. that was1 18 million dudes would be. buying them every day that would it. would last three seconds on the market. before somebody bought it people would. just be calling up the phone lines would. get jammed yeah I'll take it sight. unseen I'll take it 18 million even 27. million calling a 1.5 billion is a trump. thing to. say my. my favorite thing about the whole speech.

is he talks about himself in the third. person the judge hates Trump that's what. he keeps saying I me that is a that's a. nice house ter it's a nice G [ __ ]. Palace man look at that place it's. insane and the inside of it is all like. look click on that photo of trump there. with the chandelier look how [ __ ]. beautiful it is. inside man that is ridiculous I mean. look maybe it's me being a Brit but I. look at it go it's a bit [ __ ] much. that oh it's a much it's not my style.

that looks like something out of a. Russian Z's house you know what I mean. yes that's what I like about it that's. what I want Trump's house to look like. if Trump lived in some [ __ ] [ __ ]. Log Cabin I'd be so disappointed right. right Trump lived in like [ __ ] John. dutton's house on Yellowstone what you. doing bro you should be balling that's. on brand as we say that's on brand what. a house look at the size of that. property yeah so those little houses. around there are selling for like $30. billion wow like that's crazy expensive. property there to think that that's only. worth 18 million to 27 million that's.

that seems a little insane you know the. thing that always gets me man is like. you you read in the mainstream media and. they criticize our podcast and and your. show and and then they go these people. spread misinformation I'm like mate like. what are you talking about you have been. spreading misinformation from day one. you know what I mean it's like getting a. lecture on dating from Ted Bundy you're. like mate come on yeah it seems crazy. for them to keep harping on that at this.

point it's like don't you know about the. internet you know people have made they. made like compilation videos of you guys. being wrong over and over and over and. over and over again and you've never. apologized for it the I mean whatever. you want to talk about whether it's the. the Russia collusion thing or the saying. the dangers of trump denying the. election then you show like how many. people denied Trump's election right it. was calling him the illegitimate. president called. presid yeah they said he stole the.

election like that kind if you think. that's dangerous from him then it's. dangerous from you too and we should all. acknowledge that we should try to figure. out a way to make the elections as Fair. as possible my real fear is that not. everybody's on board with that that's my. real fear I would love to believe that. everybody on the right and everybody on. the left just wants a fair battle and. they just want to be able to speak their. mind to the public and have the people. choose that's what I would like like to. believe and that we would like to.

encourage all Americans to vote everyone. should just get informed and go out. there and give your opinion let's see. how the country feels yeah but I don't. know how much Shenanigans is going on. you know there's a little you know. there's a little collusion between you. know social media companies we know that. now that's that's kind of scary it's. kind of scary that you would think that. what you believe is so important that. you're willing to manipulate an. election that scares you it just it just.

scare us cuz it's like man they could. use that on you I mean we could have. this imagine if there's like we have. this [ __ ] amazing person who's. running for president and like finally. all rational people in the center people. that are rational on the right and the. left agreed this person has the. country's best ideas in mind and we've. made like awesome progress with the way. this person is communicating with. everybody and seems like they could. really unite us and they get [ __ ]. somebody comes in and just manipulates. it doesn't like the idea of some new.

person taking charge doesn't like some. the idea of some radical thinker who. wants to try to make things as good as. possible for the the whole country and. that maybe there's a way to do that and. they get [ __ ] by some establishment. spokesperson because they know how to. manipulate the system and look at the. thing the people that rise to the top in. the current system in your country and. in ours I mean the idea that these two. people whoever they end up being if it's.

Biden and Trump let's say these are the. best people out of 320 million [ __ ]. people well the thing about Biden is. he's already won right so he is the. president so it only makes sense that he. runs for president if he's physically. capable of doing that the thing about. Trump is there's you know the narrative. that he and a lot of his followers put. out is that the election was rigged and. that you know he should be the. legitimate the legitimate president. anyway and and no one else is no one's. voting for anybody else like the these.

hardcore trumpers they're going to go. all in on Trump so it's like okay how. else could it be other than Trump versus. Biden unless they arrest Trump unless. they figure out a way to make some of. these charges stick and here's the thing. with Trump you know you know to him this. isn't this is no longer a presidential. race to him this is existential because. this is probably the only chance he's. going to have of a voiding jail so you. look at it like that and you think Trump.

is already a guy who let's put it. bluntly and mildly will do whatever it. takes to win and if you put a guy like. that and you say the only way that. you're going to avoid jail is to win the. presidency you're already notching it up. a few ratchet when it comes to making. the atmosphere really toxic and you can. play that argument the other way I mean. in terms of Biden and the investigations. that are happening Donald Trump gets. elected what is he going to do that they. would argue that too right yeah the.

Biden thing is fascinating to watch. people ignore it did you see Noom dwan's. interview with that guy did no I did you. never saw oh man it's no dwan from the. seller from the comedy seller okay he. had a guy on his podcast who he build up. as like the most sane uh guy who says. that the hunter Biden thing was a. nothing burger and they went round for. like an hour and the guy just would not. it was the craziest thing that I've ever. seen I'll send it to you okay yeah it's.

a journal from The Washington Post yeah. yeah yeah and he thinks it's nothing. yeah yeah but but when when he doing. mental gymnastics yeah so when n. essentially Corners him and goes no no. look at this look at this the guy just. he he just he wants to leave that's it. yeah well that's a [ __ ] live wire for. them they don't want to touch that yeah. you know it's like there's really no. defending it rationally so if you're on. the team that has to defend the left. which you know you've all seen people. like that on podcast before where you. realize like oh this guy's just this.

isn't like a real person this is a a. representative of whatever there for. whether it's the right or the left you. you know those there's people like that. where you never really see them yeah you. know they they have. walls and what they're doing is just. like speaking that kind of language. there's always going to be people like. that we got to get back or not back I. don't think we were ever there but we. got to get somehow the idea that truth. matters man and it it doesn't matter. what [ __ ] team you're on the truth. matters if you're left left right up. down whatever the truth I think that's. what we're doing right now yeah yeah I.

think that's what we do and that's one. of the reasons why your show works yeah. and that's one of the reasons why this. show works is because people could just. talk yeah and they can they can do so in. a way that you you really it's not. available anywhere else the reason why. people are so hungry for these kind of. conversations on podcasts because you. can't get it anywhere else like these. other people aren't doing it they're. doing a different thing they're doing a. thing where there's a giant business. behind it and there's advertisers and. there's a bunch of Executives and. producers and they all have segments. that they develop and there writers and. everyone and then you get to express.

yourself sort of through this very. narrow window to be able to just sit and. shoot the [ __ ] and just just say why is. this and why is that and what is this. and what is that like that kind of. freedom to do that it's never existed. before no and they're all terrified of a. Twitter storm they're all terrified of a. Twitter storm you see it in our politics. you know where somebody says something. like the Hot Topic at the moment is is. immigration particularly immigration so. there's a lot of people coming from.

France to the UK illegally they just. jump in a boat from France illegally and. these it's run by cartels and gangs and. the the really sad thing is some of. these people actually drown in the. English Channel as a result and they. come and they come to the UK this needs. to stop you just can't have unfiltered. illegal immigration yet you get people. on cons politicians to go look we need. to stop this and then people are calling. they're saying that the you know one. very famous ex Sportsman Compares that.

to Nazi. Germany it it's like why is it happening. in this big rush is this engineered like. why is it happening like this like what. is it about this. uh it seems like at least some people. want to keep the borders open mhm yeah. it seems like it it seems like. something's changed where they've made. it easier for people just come across. yeah so what happened like whose idea is.

that right and then what is this crazy. push where you want people to not have. ID to. vote but you want people to have ID to. make sure you have a vaccine passport or. you can't work or get on a plane and did. you check any of these people to see if. they're vaccinated when they came aboard. you really didn't did you so what what. are we doing here crazy it's like. hundreds of thousands of people a month. it's crazy you brought it up earlier I.

think we talked about this last time. with you know Thomas S who's just like I. mean he's a I love I've read every book. that he's ever published and I just. think he's amazing you know we talked. about the tragic Vision versus the the. slightly more utopian way of looking at. things you know when you were talking. about crime earlier the tragic vision of. life kind of says if you look back at. our history you kind of get a sense of. what human beings are yeah and human. beings are flawed they're not perfect. they will commit crime they will do. terrible things they will go to war uh.

they will do that and so the only thing. you can do is know that and then act. accordingly right that means that you. have to have a border that means you. have to have a police force you have to. recognize the fallibility of human. beings and the societal Dynamics as well. and then you can make good policy that's. how you make good policy but if you live. in this blue sky world only the blue sky. world is great for inspiring you to be. better than your human instinct and all. of that but there's also a real world in. which you have to you have to be able to. live in both and it's hard it's really.

hard but if you can do that you can. hopefully make improvements because. you're trying to be better you're trying. to speak to your own and other people's. better angels and at the same time you. have to recognize that not everybody's a. good guy some people are terrorists some. people are murderers some people are. rapists some people will do things that. you don't want to happen and you have to. also tackle that at the same time and. immigration countries need borders man. that's something people used to agree. about left and right I I I I you know I.

quoted Barack Obama talking about this. we need borders yeah he was talking. about that when he's running for. president yeah he's saying something. that would get Trump canceled today yeah. yeah yeah it's um what do you think. happened Joe I don't know but I don't. know how it can keep happening I don't. know how anybody doesn't recognize that. it's a problem and go hey let's sort. this out I don't know it's you don't. want to go full tin foil hat nobody does. nobody wants to like are they.

engineering some. people all the some people some. people that's not a board right now. we if you just stop and think about all. these converging factors all these. things that are happening simultaneously. right okay all first of all massive dip. in the economy from the covid pandemic. businesses closing then you have George. Floyd then you have riots then you. defund the police then you have massive. theft in do you know how much more theft.

there is Lowe's hardware store lost. Google this I think in 2022 they lost. $900. million in. Theft yeah just people walking into. their stores and stealing drills and. [ __ ] just stealing things cuz in some. places you can get away with stealing as. much as $900 and they're not even. allowed to stop you I mean that is a. recipe for chaos but see if that's.

true make those things true this is New. Media we actually checked the fact and. shout out to our friend Andrew Doyle in. his new book the new Puritans Andrew is. awesome did he ever get kicked off of. Twitter did Tatiana mcgraph get kicked. off yeah yeah he yeah he got kicked off. a couple of times shrink and theft. losses near 1 billion at lows here's how. much it's costing other retailers yeah. so it's it's true it's almost a billion. dollars they lost what does shrink mean. shrink and theft LW that's a good. question don't know shrink and theft is.

shrink like internal theft or what does. that mean it says it's blaming it on. shrink what does that mean items lost to. factors oh external or employee theft. okay external or employee so that's okay. um so what is the actual number so it. says it in there somewhere I'm pretty. sure Target lost 219. million I it's slightly further down. um Jamie just a little bit there you go. 997 is that 997 million up from they.

lost 796 million in 2021 oh my God. imagine uring them imagine insuring you. got to insure a store that you know is. going to get robbed but but just imagine. this Joe so I've got uh actually. Constantin went to speak at this. Festival it's a very prestig prestigious. fesal in the UK called how the light. gets in right and I have friends who go. and speak there and go and watch debates. like I said constant took part in a. debate there and one of my friends went.

to watch because his partner she was. speaking there and hosting debates and. and I said to him how was it mate and he. said you know the thing that was really. worrying I go what he goes and bear in. mind these are some of the most educated. people in the UK at least one of them. per panel per debate went look until we. abolish. capitalism then we're never going to. solve these problems and it's just like. you're talking about genetics why are. you talking about abolishing capitalism. but think about it like this it's a. virtue there's not a lot of science.

research that happens outside do you. know what I mean you you need money to. to do research. exactly but you think a scientist would. get that you know the problem is you. know they're so insulated in these. University like ecosystems they're so. insulated if you're a professional. academic I mean look it's a knowable. thing it's an amazing thing to be a. professor it's an amazing thing to be. educating kids and shaping mind and. exposing them to Great literature and. Mathematics and all the all the.

wonderful things professors teach but. the reality of their existence is you go. from being a high school student to a. college University student to getting. your master's degree getting your PhD. teaching you're constantly in this world. and that world is almost entirely. leftwing like radically leftwing like. the like the what is the percentage of. like far-left professors you almost even. think when you think Professor like far. Le it's like Catholic priest pedophile.

you know what I mean like you know what. I'm saying unfortunately they're. connected in your head so you you hear. about that you think far left professor. John highy talks about in his book on. social um social studies and stuff like. anything um anything to do with that. it's like 9 to1 or 10 to one sometimes. 100 to one yeah so then they're in that. world where it's constantly they're. constantly being reinforced like these. ideas are reinforced and never. challenged and almost you know. ridiculously so like really bright.

people talk like they're in a cult like. avoiding reality and bending truth to to. Plate whatever the the new social Norm. is for anything it's it's like it's it's. bizarre to see and so those people are. always going to be in conflict with. reality so when they're like you know we. should abolish capitalism like okay like. you live in a [ __ ] playground like. what are you talking about right you're. Des you're not out there in the real. world you're teaching kids you're.

teaching kids at a playground and you're. the God cuz you're the you're the. professor with all the knowledge stop. yeah no you can't it's never been done. before stupid like like communism never. works we tried we tried look at how that. worked out violence it leads to [ __ ]. authoritarianism it leads to. dictatorships that you got to enforce. people following all these rules you. have to money you have to use violence. you have to use violence to make that. work would uh y Park talks about when. she talks about uh her experience in. North Korea when she fled North Korea.

she said they promised everyone that. they would be able to feed everyone if. they took over the land that was that's. how they got everyone's land that's how. they got everybody to give up and now. they're [ __ ] and that is happening. right now in 2023 the way Yoni Park. describes North Korea is actually the. way North Korea is right now yeah so. don't think that that can't happen here. don't think that can they're regulating. podcasts in Canada yeah yeah I was. reading about this about this bill this. because I I woke up and you know we're.

jet lagged so woke up at ridiculous time. I went on the phone which you should. never do let's be honest that is a bad. way to start the day it's not good no. and then I was reading about what. they're doing it's terrifying so they. want to bring in this bill whereby they. regulate podcast so what they want to do. is every every uh podcast uh streamer or. whatever it is platform that makes more. than $10 million Revenue not profit. Revenue has to register with the. Canadian government they then want them.

to hand over information about their. content and the people. listening [ __ ] man to their right to. their to the to the government imagine. getting a hold of Alex Jones's email. list probably a bunch of senators on. there yeah oh yeah for sure I mean. imagine yeah and then the government can. get that they're talking right now about. and maybe we we're going to need to fact. Che this again because I I was reading.

it this morning but basically they. wanted to promote. Canadian something to do with like. basically what Canadian greatness. whatever it is they they talk about it. and Indigenous Affairs and you're like. oh so they're going to say a number of. things are UNC Canadian and then you can. just silence them look what tro D trud. Trudeau did with the truckers yeah yeah. terrifying we just had one of their guys. on to talk about it not just the. truckers but people who donated to the. truckers got their bank accounts closed. yeah yeah well that is wild yeah you got.

locked out of all of your money because. you donated to a cause where you didn't. think that people should have to take an. experimental vaccine in order to be able. to work to drive a truck but really. really you get you think that's okay. like that's so not okay the fact that. those people aren't up in arms the whole. country didn't freak out and. demand a [ __ ] change like you can't. have that's dictatorship stuff that's. what that is it's Banana Republic stuff.

we do these calls with our top. supporters and we have some in Canada we. have this lady who's been supporting us. for years and she you know she's always. fine and in the middle of this thing she. was like I'm terrified I I'm not going. to be able to eat because they they're. going to shut down my bank account God. right in Canada it's so crazy that they. think they could do that if people. disagree with them because that's all. they're doing they're just disagreeing. and they're support ing a protest it. should be and it was a peaceful protest.

those people did it the right way they. just parked their trucks and they didn't. block roads off they didn't do anything. [ __ ] up but if you frame it that these. people which is how they were being. framed as racist far right well look. you're giving money to a far-right. racist organization you're encouraging. hate well well the government has to. step in we have to step in and we need. to freeze everything because we need to. make everything safe what was this most. recent apology because they accidentally. awarded a Nazi yeah like what what.

happened I think so I think zensi was. visiting the Canadian Parliament and. they got some guy who was a. Ukrainian inverted commas War veteran. turned out he fought for the for the bad. guys in that one oh my God yeah uh I. don't think they I don't think like. zalinski or I I don't know he didn't. know yeah he didn't know but so so. imagine you're sitting in Parliament and. everyone's like hey let's uh do a you. know stand up and and give a round of. applause for this war veteran you're. like and then it turns out you're.

applauding a Nazi how old is this dude. old he probably doesn't even know I not. a good guy I not a [ __ ] good guy. maybe he's like tricked himself that he. wasn't a Nazi imagine yeah I mean how do. you if you are a same. person like how do you deal with that. fact that you committed all of these. heinous crimes yeah if you're living in. that time do you think it's just. everyone's doing it and you just get.

sucked into the cult and you're scared. or you believe it is it that easy for. human beings to other people is it. because it was a different time and. people just didn't didn't have as much. exposure to to to knowledge as they do. today and that wouldn't be as possible. today I hate to think that that's a Poss. because there's always been times in. history people committed genocide. there's always been times in history. where people have decided that this. other group and often times other group. that looks exactly like they do right. those are the bad people for whether.

it's because of religion or a line they. drew on the dirt they've decided that. those people are worth Exterminating M. and those stories are [ __ ] horrific. and that the Nazi Germany one is just. the latest one it's just the the one. that we call upon but you know just. think about what the Mongols did you. know that's in the in 1200 think about. what they did they they just sacked. entire cities just killed everybody. piled them up in big [ __ ] Stacks lit. everything on fire took all the women.

and they just left to and they did that. all over Europe all over Asia they did. it all they've they've ran everything. they killed something some in the. neighborhood at 10% of the world's. population was murdered during genas. Khan's era so much so that the carbon. footprint of human beings on Earth got. lower he was. Progressive that's how many people he. killed yeah you know there's a lot of. historians in Russia who say that many. of the the reasons the way Russian.

people are the way they are and there's. a lot of like trauma in society that's. carrying on is from that period we have. a lot of words in Russian for cruelty. and all that sort of thing that come. from that period completely makes sense. completely makes sense I mean just. imagine I mean the the horror of a. gigantic Army of men on Horseback intent. on murdering everyone in front of them. and that that was consistent with the. era it was normal Al stuff that was like. oh the Mongols are here we're [ __ ] you. know like that was that was that's a.

thing that human beings have always done. for some strange reason they've always. done that and the thing the thing about. today is that as much as we know about. humans and much access technology we. have the interconnectivity that we have. with each other they're still war and no. one if you had to put your money if. you're a gambler and uh within 10 years. will there be no war on Earth. what kind of odds am I getting you know. cuz for sure there's going to be. something popping off somewhere we're.

bans of chimps man that's what we are. we're banss of chimps and chimps got a. war and so do we absolutely but then. there's also the flip side of it where. there are like you know I I always tell. this story CU to me it's this is a story. of my grandfather so my grandfather in. the second world war he used to he was a. master Joiner which is the highest level. of carpenter you could get and he used. to work in a factory in Manchester on. the mosquito planes and the the. fascinating thing about the mosquito was.

it was the only airplane it was a. fighter airplane and it was made. entirely out of wood whoa yeah so it was. because amessa Schmidt was very. lumbering it was very heavy it was a. great fighter plane but it wasn't very. Nimble and the mosquito was and it was. so and he was making mosquito so he was. exempt from going to war and he I think. it was 1941 and he was a smart guy and. he was following what was happening and. he like like I said he was exempt. because he was part of the war in a very. important part he resigned his position.

at the factory enlisted to go and. join had a baby my aunt Patricia who was. probably around one or two years old. married and he enlisted to go and fight. in a war knowing full well that there. was a very significant chance that he. wouldn't come back yet he risked his. life because he knew that there was. something more important. and whilst it's we focus on the bad. there's also incredible people like.

everyday people like from that. generation who just went no this is. wrong and I need to stand up and I need. to do something and there is something. greater than me so there is that aspect. of humanity as well that does exist but. I think people were more resilient then. because life was more difficult I think. it's it's great that we've managed to. make uh starvation. like the one of the least of our. concerns in this country at this point. in time you know but along the way I.

think we've made it so easy to survive. for so many people that we've got kind. of lost resolve and it must have been. horrible to live back then to live. during the time of World War I I mean. imagine how hard life was back then life. was [ __ ] hard but those are the type. of people that you need if you're going. to have a war. we don't have that many of those now not. not like that that was probably like.

you've seen those videos I don't know if. you have but like there's a physical. fitness um classes in the 1960s in. America and they they all look like. Little Athletes they're all doing monkey. bars and [ __ ] like everybody can. everybody's working out they all look. fit if you tried to have a video like. that today you'd have some blue-haired. slobs falling down and breaking their. arms you know like how many people are. resilient today it's less there's a lot. more people but the percentage of. resilient people's less well Jamie you.

might be able to look this up I think. there was an article recently about the. fact that the US Army is having trouble. recruiting people because they're just. not physically capable there they're. struggling yeah you know and that. wouldn't just be the US it would be a. lot of places also the arm's kind of. going woke oh man oh man and this is. this is the thing we've been talking. about right man it's like inclusion can. we just focus [ __ ] works can we focus. on what works right I want the Army to. be good at killing the enemy I don't. give a [ __ ] about how diverse they are.

right imagine if the UFC had to have. diversity do you know what a problem. that would be we had like to have a. certain amount of trans folks a certain. amount of well in the women's division. but if you only had like if you like you. had numbers you had to achieve it. wouldn't wasn't the best fighters yeah. it was just you know like who meets. certain criteria there's going to be a. bunch of people that get murdered yeah. they're going to get thrown in with the. real ones there going to be a certain. percentage of people that are just there. because they're awesome then a certain.

percentage of people that they have to. hire in order to meet these Dei. standards Joe I'm going to Jamie can I. ask a favor man would you mind bringing. up uh RAF diversity UK you're going to a. beautiful story this is a beautiful. story what. happened mate this is just look up for. male white useless male white Pilots. look that one up useless male white. Pilots that a quot yeah that's a quote. from their from their report they they. were like you know what we're not hiring. any more white men to fly planes a good.

idea yeah definitely don't hire the. people that are the best at it no why. would whether they're white or black or. Asian no just don't hire white ones. Royal Air Force unlawfully discriminated. against white male recruits in bid to. boost diversity dude you want the best. whoever the [ __ ] they are whether they. they're white or South American or. Indian or you want the best who cares. that's no one cares you want people who. fly the the best right only the best and. this is like controversial now it's a.

war plane could you imagine imagine if. like again it goes back to the MMA. fighters imagine if like you know like. the UK had one representative That was. supposed to be fighting Francis and ganu. you know you know what I'm saying don't. pick me you know you have you have a you. have one person who supposed to step up. and fight that guy and uh well it says. the right move is to you know send in a. non-binary woman woman yeah cuz they. don't get represented in in the UFC like. okay what the [ __ ] are you talking about.

this is she's representing the UK we. need someone who could beat him man it's. it comes to a point and and this is. where we talk about the University. campus right you can have these demented. ideas on a University campus and all. they are is an exercise and intellectual. masturbation when you come down to it. when you break it down to its purest. sense right and in a way that's fine. what's wrong with having stupid ideas. and debate and believing it but the. problem is is when you start to. implement it in the real world where. there is such a thing as reality that's.

when the rber hits the road and things. really start going wrong that's when. things go Western that's what we like to. call it out here right things got. Western right I will say as well in I. think you know we've been talking about. social media I think social media is a. big part of this I don't know if you've. seen the graphs but basically what. happens in 2013. 2014 newspaper articles just start the. all the Justice [ __ ] it just goes. through the sky and not just in the US. and the UK it's Qatar it's it's every.

country in the world so I think social. media rewards ideas that sound good it. does but it also Awards Echo Chambers. you know that's that's a big part of. just like we're talking about. universities that you know the echo. Chambers on the right wing online are. just just like the echo Chambers on the. left ring it's like it rewards that. everybody looks for their favorite. commenters who jump on their threads and. comment on each and every one and back. them up on these things and they look at. all the likes and yeah kicking.

ass yeah but my favorite story of this. year and this is one that I love so much. it's by a beautiful woman Joe called Isa. Bryson oh this is a great story this I I. I remember last time I was at your Club. the mothership we touched on it briefly. when we when you and I were talking but. this to me is the most beautiful story. of a beautiful woman living her best. life Jamie we're going to need to see if. of this beautiful woman Joe you're you. know you're happily married I don't. remember you bringing this up right well.

this happened in Scotland so what is the. story okay so there's a two-time male. rapist called Adam Graham convicted male. rapist right and then just before he was. going to s be sent to prison he got uh. what constant and I liked to called uh. rapid onset prison dysphoria prison. prison onset you put it to the line but. it's prison onset gender dysphoria this. is the guy now he's a woman in woman's. prison yeah they put him in a woman's. prison there's a clitoris Joe if you if.

you're wondering they're doing that in. America too yeah there's uh quite a few. there's one person that identifies as a. woman went to jail and got two people. pregnant in. jail. like like what it just seems so silly. and I'm as liberal as you can get but. I'm not on board with that well I'm as. liberal as you can get too that's what's. so crazy it's like they they push it so. far to cuckoo land that any rejection of. any of these outrageously stupid ideas.

becomes far right yeah yeah you're far. right if you don't think a guy with a. regular. dick who who's been straight his whole. life should be able to identify as a. woman and go into a women's prison and. be with women like come on this guy's a. rapist he's a threat we know he's a. threat it's so crazy it's just so crazy. that they'll take it all the way to. prison and then you've got politicians. who on question time which is our most. prestigious political debate show they.

had a member of the S&P because this. happened in Scotland so this is a member. of the Scottish national party and this. SNP member was. asked is Adam or is ISA Graham male or. female and you know what she responded. this woman she went they're a. rapist refus to even acknowledge that. it's a male that it's a man what a weird. world so weird isn't it I would have. never imagined if you came to me in 2013.

you said guess what's going to be a. crazy subject 10 years from. now guys who just say they're women and. they put them in women's presence what. come on that can't be a thing imagine if. you like you had to dress up like a. woman for a whole year in order for it. to be like legit like there was a rule. like you could do it but you got to. dress up like a whole year so criminals. just started dressing up like women that. became like the thing you know like guys. like the SAG like that's how they wear. their pants in prison right so they like.

the SAG it's like part of the part of. the thing what if that becomes the thing. like you know there's only one way to. get locked up with women you got to. dress like a woman all the time so you. got to dress like a woman for like a. whole year in order to be accepted it. would be the new style of like just just. people would just like I'm a criminal I. don't give a [ __ ] this is what I do if I. get arrested at least I'm going to get. arrested with women yeah I mean guys. would start wearing dresses and I'll be. honest with you man I don't want to be. talking about trans my [ __ ] my whole. life I don't you have to you have no. choice you will comply I no no I you.

will comply or we will freeze your bank. account I don't want to be talking about. this [ __ ] but when this is happening. what are we supposed to do we're just. supposed to sit there and pretend it's. not happening well if you have any. opinion other than what you're supposed. to have then you're some kind of a. terrible person and a trans phobe and. that's nuts because there's always room. for crazy you got to leave room for. crazy you got to leave room for crazy in. all groups of people including trans.

people and if you don't if you're trying. to pretend that you know you have this. this group that anybody can join and. that these are new rules and we're all. living in Narnia now come on come on. there's always going to be crazy people. of course the emperor is [ __ ] naked. man the emperor's naked as [ __ ] and he's. got a heart on he's right that yeah and. he's like I want access to the female. changing. rooms and we're like come this way madam. and you're a bigot if you don't agree. imagine Fran andana was like you know. what I'm a woman I wonder what.

percentage of like people with kids. believe that versus people who don't. have kids that's an interesting right. cuz I wonder if so many like there's so. many people that have ideas people that. don't have children they have ideas that. I think they just have this uh ideology. that they subscribe to but with no. consequences for anyone that's really. young that they love and care about and. then when then they have kids and then. there's someone young that they love and. care about you start looking that the. world is a much more dangerous place he. start saying oh these people like little. kids like there was some little girl who.

got kidnapped really recently they they. found they use Geo tracking of cell. phones and [ __ ] and the person's. fingerprints from The Ransom note and. they got her back pretty quickly luckily. but you know 9-year-old girl just gets. kidnapped like there's there's people. like that in the world and when you have. children you think like that like. someone could steal your kids like. that's real someone could hurt your kids. and someone you know could go in the. locker room and watch your kid go to the. bathroom because they decide that. they're a girl and that doesn't mean.

that there's not people that are. legitimately trans and identify as women. and that's who they are and they're not. perverts and they're not creeps of. course of course that exists too but. you're opening the door if someone just. says I'm trans I can use that restroom. you're opening the door for perverts you. 100% most certainly are this doesn't. deny the existence of trans people but. we have to be honest about what could. possibly happen that's why if people are. uncomfortable with biological males.

walking around female locker rooms is. cuz some people are liars and they're. con artists and they're not really it's. this person that's like been trapped in. a man's body their whole life they're. [ __ ] perverts and they want to be. around kids or they want to be around. women they want to make them. uncomfortable they want people to stare. at their dick while they walk around and. know that they can't say anything about. it that's real too sure that's real too. this doesn't discount the the that trans. people have with integrating into. society and being accepted that's real. too that's real too but you have to.

understand that if you just have this. blanket policy where no one can question. anything about this stuff you're you're. opening the door to abuse right yeah and. you have a front door in your house not. because you think everyone is going to. come and steal [ __ ] from your house but. you know that some people will so you. have to put certain things in place to. protect yourself and your family it's. it's the most obvious thing man well. it's just there's no Greening in in. women's bathrooms like you don't know. whether someone's a creep you have no. idea no it's not like you know getting.

into a [ __ ] a job where they have to. do a background check on you you know. it's it's not like applying for some top. secret position where they have to make. sure that you know you're someone who. could be trusted with information no. it's like a bathroom so it could be like. someone just out of jail puts on a dress. goes into a women's room that I mean. that's what we're accepting today that. that is a possibility and women that. feel vulnerable in those situations are. [ __ ] terrified and rightfully so cuz. if they do encounter something like that. they get no support no one no one will. say no no one will take your side you.

saw what happened with that the thing. that happened in Hollywood at that. massage parlor oh yeah yeah in in. California Bonkers man someone who had a. history of being a sex offender walking. around naked in the women's room they. complained and then all a sudden there's. protest there it's like come on kids man. going to California and we love this. country as you know we traveled all. around it you should [ __ ] yeah. we love it we rule it's [ __ ] awesome. only an American would say that the.

British person be like yes so what it's. not too bad America [ __ ] yeah we put up. Flags everywhere yeah one right there. yeah I mean they're small in California. the California flag is about this big. yeah people started accusing me of being. rightwing when I had that flag behind me. that very flag yeah it's cool it's is a. cool art piece I love it that used to be. the backdrop and people criticized they. were saying he's a right wing rightwing. right now look at American flag people. think American flag is. rightwing God that's all of us kids.

that's the whole batch of us you know. we're supposed to be in this together. yeah and this is you know but California. man what you see I mean it's many. American cities actually sadly but what. you see in California people go it's. like a third world country I grew up in. several third world countries I did not. see that well you were talking about the. encampments the homeless encampments but. also the the crime the way the people. are I mean we've we've driven around. places where you just see people you. don't even know if they're alive yeah. that's good drugs you get the good stuff.

good stuff you just nap. anywhere like [ __ ] the world I'm. sleeping on this man this potted. plant yeah yeah it's not good man and I. don't know how that snaps back either. yeah I wouldn't want to be the governor. imagine that imagine being the mayor of. Los Angeles or the governor of. California trying to clean that mess up. but somebody's got to do it Joe it's got. to be there's got to be a point now. where we we got where ordinary rational. people just got you know what mate. enough's enough or AI we just farming.

off to ai ai is your new governor it. eliminates bias oh it doesn't eliminate. bias AI follows the rule of the law oh. boy AI will just figure out how to get. rid of the homeless people they're going. to shoot one every night until they all. quit like those robot dogs that are just. going to show up at Venice Beach and. just gun one person down we will be back. tomorrow we will shoot one person every. night until this beach is clean and then.

they just drive into the center of it. and shoot people so it's not even just. the people on the outside so no one's. safe tell that TV show would get great. ratings would that's an episode of Black. Mirror I bet that's did you ever see. that one uh heavy metal where the uh the. robot dog is chasing this lady no oh my. God it's terrifying it's terrifying. today too when you watch those uh Boston. Dynamic videos where they show those. darer robots. things are so crazy they got DARPA. cheetah and [ __ ] and all these like. really nutty robots they're working on.

that they could do back flips and they. could do parkour like they're making. super robots and when those. [ __ ] decide to reinforce the. will of AI and just roam to the streets. like that [ __ ] Will Smith movie I. Robot we're not far away from that man. that might be our best bet that might be. what gives us hope is that AI takes over. government and they take over allocation. of funds I can't tell if you've being. serious or you're joking man I'm kind of. serious I'm kind of that's how they.

eliminate corruption because they're not. terrified of the corporations and their. money because AI will control all go on. chat GPT and try to ask it some. questions about trans you're oh boy that. is that thing is um a little woke yeah. it's a little woke it's also it will. criticize certain people but not. criticize others yeah yeah it's. interesting it uh it also won't say. anything nice about Donald Trump really. yeah didn't someone do something like. that they tried say say something good. about Trump and why he'd make a great.

president just hey I wonder what it says. let's find out in real time cuz somebody. told me that but I always wonder you. know like are you using the same program. are you using the older program or the. new what is now. 4.5 you know and then what they're. saying is when five comes out it's going. to be and like each one of them is. exponential they're more and more. complex their their answers are better. they can code websites in seconds they. can do figure things out that you can. never figure out if you had a lifetime.

of studying over books figure things out. instantaneously we're real real close to. having like full-on training wheels for. life just like you don't remember phone. numbers anymore because they're all in. your. phone Donald Trump has a talent for. engaging with and energizing his. supporters his ability to connect with a. large segment of American population and. Inspire passionate loyalty is nworth. additionally his presidency marked. period of significant policy changes. including tax reform and Criminal. Justice Reform which had lasting impacts.

in the United States it's important to. remember that different people have. varying perspective on political figures. and recognizing their positive. attributes can foster constructive. dialogue you should go into politics man. great that's a great answer so is that's. chat GPT Jamie that's a great answer. yeah Chad GPT is a right-wing bigot. that's why that's why chat GPT should. govern us yeah see what I'm saying like. it's basically just echoed what we've. been saying man so what if chat GPD is. that smart and what if it understands.

that the policies were actually. effective you know the thing that really. worries me about AI it's that it's going. to get rid of low skilled labor yeah. that employs a hell of a lot of people. particularly a hell of hell of a lot of. men in this country I saw this great. clip from Tucker Carlson where he was. going you know we're talking about AI. but AI is going to bring in driverless. cars it's going to bring in driverless. lorries think about however how many men. in the US at the moment are employed in. the driving industry what's going to.

happen when all of those men become. redundant there are no. jobs they're at home and he goes I'm. going to be honest with you men without. Direction men without jobs earning. without responsibility that doesn't end. world what are we going to do then we're. going to transition all of. them anybody's got a problem just like. we found out that men create all the. problems we're just going to turn you. into a woman yeah there you go.

problem that's how we instead of putting. all the men in prison we just turn all. of them into women fantastic well you. know what I I don't have a. counterargument to. that and and this is the thing that. scares me is like before I used to look. before covid I used to think of myself. as pretty anti-c conspiratorial but. during Co and postco I've realize I'm. becoming more and more conspiratorial as. I realize that we were that we were. being lied to well there most certainly.

are real conspiracies the problem is no. one wants to feel stupid and you don't. want to you don't want to even entertain. conspiracy theories because there's dumb. ones out there so you get connected to. all the dumb ones you know and you can. get connected to those if you're not. paying. attention but there's real ones there's. real and there's a lot of them and. they've always existed what's your. favorite. conspiracy theory the favorite's always. the war ones because it's just so crazy. that they'll just lie to get us into.

Wars and that that it's always been a. thing you know Hitler burned the rag and. Nero burned Rome and you know the gulf. of tonan incident and there were the. operation Northwoods thing that they. planned that was signed by The Joint. Chiefs of Staff and vetoed by Kennedy. where they're going to arm Cuban. friendlies and have them attack. Guantanamo Bay and blow up a jetliner. and blame it on Cuba they were going to. do some wild [ __ ]. try to get us to go to war with Cuba. those are the most fascinating to me. because they there are a bunch of people.

high Lev positions in the government. that are conspiring to get us to go to. war and this is what Eisenhower warned. us about at the end of his presidency he. warned about the military industrial. complex it was a fascinating speech and. if you think about it now it's like God. damn was he right that to me is the most. fascinating because it seems like. there's just this machine that's always. been running Society but we've kind of. pretended it wasn't pretended that. wasn't the case and pretended it wasn't. this massive industry that requires war.

in order to feed itself that to me is. the wildest one that and then. UFOs the UFO one then man I'm kind of. sour on it lately really yeah because. they keep talking about it and yeah the. more they talk about it not show me. anything and the more they you know have. whistleblowers and all this the more I'm. like why do I feel like I'm being being. [ __ ] with why do I feel like there's. something going on why do I feel like. this is a juicy distraction why do I.

feel like because it always happens in. these military areas why why do I have a. feeling like you guys have developed. some insane technology that people. aren't aware of I mean and it might even. not be a physical thing right it might. be something they can project from. satellites maybe it's some sort of a. hologram maybe it's a. I mean who knows what the [ __ ] it is. maybe it is from another planet maybe. there are interdimensional beings that.

occasionally visit us and they always. have that but that. sounds but it sounds goofy but the. problem is if something as crazy as. alien life visited us wouldn't it just. seem fake that's the other thing I I. tussle with I'm like wouldn't it even if. they really were having actual. disclosure they really are having. Congressional hearings about whether or. not these things are are ours or whether. or not there's any crashed UFOs that the. government has retrieved is there really. a program where they retrieve crashed.

UFOs and back engineer them is that real. so if it is real how long has this been. going on and you guys are just telling. us. now why if that's real that changes. everything that changes everything about. the way we interact with the universe. that we're like little children and. they're just keeping an eye on us like. chimp Empire like be careful over there. don't do anything nutty be careful let's. just watch them we'll just watch them as. they evolve and and eventually travel. into the cosmos like all the other.

aliens you. know there is an argument to be said for. not telling the truth have you ever. heard the story of War of the Worlds. when it was broadcast on the radio and. it created Pand pandemonium because. people thought it was a news. broadcast and you know everybody you. know loads of people lost their minds ET. apparently I just read recently that. that was really overblown and that was a. lot of propaganda and a lot of that was. like the narrative that they put out to. show the success of that radio show and.

most people were aware that it was a. radio program like a fiction really yeah. apparently there wasn't any suicides I. thought there was a bunch of suicides. people killed themselves did when didn't. we pull that up recently we did right. yeah I think Jamie found it actually. there's we we've always been saying that. that it like created Mass pandemonium. and chaos but apparently apparently. that's not really accurate. at least might not be accurate have you. heard the one about Hitler and Stalin. which one well the idea is and I this.

I'm not into a lot of conspiracy. theories but this one I having read a. lot various historians talk about I. actually genuinely think could could be. S could be real it's the idea that. Stalin encouraged Hitler supported him. which he did I mean they signed a. non-aggression treaty the Soviet Union. funded uh Germany send them grain and. all sorts of other things the idea is. that Stalin wanted Hitler to start a big. European War so that once it was all.

done he could come in and sweep over the. ashes which which makes a lot of sense. because the Communist idea was you can't. make the [ __ ] work unless everybody gets. it that was the idea of Communism right. you can't you can't have communism in. one country you have to spread it around. the world and they thought and they said. this openly the Communists that the best. way to do that is to have a World War. and then you can spread the ideas as a. result of that God damn people have. always been crazy right they've always. been insane yeah yeah imagine someone.

like that's your idea like what are you. gonna do today I'm gonna go play golf. with Ron White what are you gonna do I. think I'm gonna start a war so I can. take over Europe right yeah but the the. terrifying thing is there's always been. those dudes and they and they always. will be they always will be we don't. want to think they're here now but the. thing is for them you could argue it's. rational right how do you best secure. the future of your you can rationalize. it in your head how do you best secure. the the future of your people well the. best way the North America right is.

controlled by the United States and it's. safe because of it right you have Canada. to your North you have Mexico these. countries are all kind of in your orbit. you've got them under control you're. safe what's the safest way for Russia or. the Soviet Union to do that is to. control the entirety of their continent. um so you can rationalize anything if. you're in that position I'm looking. after my people it's not that hard you. know we are able to rationalize the most. horrific sh [ __ ] in our heads if we. really want to and and we always have. and we always have and we always will. yeah and we always will and we've always.

wanted to build Empires we've been. building Empires from year do everybody. builds Empires but do you think that is. also what we're talking about earlier a. part of our operating system like. there's always going to be these. conquerors and then the resistance of. the conquerors and through this back and. forth the society evolves yeah and I. think I sometimes think like speaking of. aliens what would it be like if you look. down on planet Earth right what do you. see if you actually look you see these.

bands of. chimps with every [ __ ] weapon that. they could possibly invent pointed at. each other yeah that's what we are yeah. that's what we are yeah yeah well you. know what also you'd see though you'd. see if you were really objective like. what does this species do they make. better things yeah that's what they do. like even in Star Wars they never made. anything better go back to like [ __ ]. Luke Skywalker like the first movie Star. Wars and then to the last movie they. basically have the same weapons yeah. same [ __ ] light speed capabilities.

same problems with their spaceships they. didn't get any better we get better. constantly we're we're constantly. obsessed with Innovation and if you just. looked at the species as a whole like. what is it doing it's making better. stuff yeah and even the things that are. weird about it like like U this desire. for material possessions well one of the. things that does is it facilitates. consumer ISM facilitates people buying. things that facilitates Innovation you. got to sell more things to people I got. to get you to buy a new TV you already.

have a TV I got a better TV and this is. constant whether it's computers or cars. or whatever it is that we make. everything's better I think and when you. combine that with this new emergence of. AI and when you see what's possible with. like Quantum Computing and what they're. what they're projecting for the. implementation of that kind of. Technology we're looking at another life. form we're like building another life. form we're going to build an artificial. life form that's way Superior to us.

we're the electronic caterpillar that is. building the Cocoon and we're never. going to be able to stop it because. there was this document you can't stop. it cuz there was this document that was. signed I think was signed by Elon as. well did requesting that there's a. moratorium on AI [ __ ] out of here you. think China's going to sign that like. yeah go ahead do that go ahead do that. we're like it's is a mad race just like. the [ __ ] you know the trying to. figure out who makes the nuclear bomb. first it's a mad race right yeah because.

we know that if we don't do it other. people will and then they will have the. upper hand and once uh and once another. group has the upper hand over you if you. just look at history it doesn't end well. for the weaker group yeah especially. with this one if you can make a superior. life form that can figure out how to. like just think about what chap chpt can. do in terms of like the average person. with no code just instantly make a. website yeah you can do so you get. answers to problems you can you. instantly can get information and.

explain to you how to do very detailed. and specific things like. that that's just the beginning it's. going to be so much better than you and. it's going to make a better version of. it like really quickly it's if you give. it the ability to create I mean why. isn't that engineerable it seems like it. could if you could engineer creativity. into some super intelligent artificial. thing that you've created it seems like. that's what we do we just think we do. all these other things cuz that moves us. closer and closer towards this but.

ultimately when that does happen all. that other stuff will be [ __ ] the. pyramids the [ __ ] airplane the. invention of the iPhone nonsense it's. all nonsense compared to this life form. that we're about to make so let us get. caught up in [ __ ] whether or not a. trans person should be able to play in. women's sports or whether or not climate. change is so real we need to bury. trees let's get let's let's pay. attention to what's really going on. we're about to give birth to a [ __ ].

super intelligent life form it's going. to take over Earth and we're either. going to merge with it or going to be. consumed by. it who you know what the eater robot is. you ever heard of that no the eater. robot is uh I think this is a DARPA. program as well they've developed a. robot that is fueled by. biological fuel like biological waste. like. bodies like you you do on a battlefield. and it can consume. bodies what yeah it consumes things for.

fuel yeah it can consume plants I think. too but the implication is when they. said biological I was like oh Jesus yeah. when you say biological I don't think. plants I think like human beings like. dead bodies on a battlefield like if you. have a robot that kills people and eats. them and that's what how it fuels itself. you don't need to charge it it just goes. on whatever energy it extracts from. consuming. flesh I'm not an expert Joe but I can.

see how this could go wrong pull pull up. e. a pull up E A roboty find out if it was. real or I think it's real dude I think. it's real well the yeah the Wikipedia. said everything you were saying and then. it also included chicken fat was labeled. as oh yeah just chicken fat. guys dead people from some [ __ ] bomb. we dropped yeah the purpose of the. energetically autonomous tactical robot. eater just the fact they call it eater.

patent pending guys hang on for that. we'll make a big announcement when the. patent comes through project is. developed and demonstrate an autonomous. robot platform able to perform long. range long endurance missions without. the need for manual or conventional. refueling which would otherwise preclude. the ability of the robot to perform such. missions the system obtains its energy. by foraging engaging in biologically. inspired organism likee energy. harvesting Behavior which is the.

equivalent of eating it [ __ ] eats. things it can find ingest and extract. energy from biomass in the environment. and other organically based energy. sources as well as use conventional and. alternative fuels such as gasoline he so. can eat everything it eats everything. gasoline heavy fuel kerosene diesel. propane coal cooking oil and solar when. suitable in addition to missions. requiring long range long endurance. ability the eater can provide direct. support to combat units without.

requiring labor or material logistic. support for refueling because it eats. the bodies on the field kids but you at. least stage for its own energy while the. unit rested or remain in position say. what you like about the Terminator at. least it didn't [ __ ] eat you this is. so crazy what a good idea though I mean. it's a good idea cuz otherwise like. those bodies just going to sit there. what do you want to do you want to feed. the Wolves feed the the vultures or feed. your robots and win this [ __ ] War. Kids win this War for.

America it's the most uplifting episode. of thean experience how Wild is that. that's wild that is but a good idea. right if you were a sociopath like. that's I mean if you want to make a war. machine look I I shouldn't even say. sociopath if you want to make something. that saves soldiers lives how about a. [ __ ] robot robot that fights and eats. bodies but it comes to the point it. comes to the point. right why don't we engineer werewolves. why don't you just like let werewolves.

loose but you look at all of this stuff. and you then go well then what's the. purpose of us yeah you know that that's. the fundamental question here if because. if the most important thing in life for. any human being is to have a purpose. whatever that purpose is why is that. though why is that because it gives you. a reason to get up in the morning it. gives you a reason to do what you do it. gives you a reason to move forward the. worst thing for a human being to have is. no purpose to have a lack of purpose cuz.

then you feel empty and hopeless we talk. about a crisis of meaning in the west. particularly I mean that's what it is. right A lot of people not having purpose. and then it plays into what we were. talking about earlier which is you go on. social media and you can attack somebody. and that that gives you power that gives. you meaning yeah that that is a thing. that people connect themselves too they. get meaning out of destroying other. people yeah it's really fascinating yeah. because that's your ideology. justified in doing so that person. disagrees with you supports some other. candidates supports some ideas you don't.

like Pro lifee is this is that and. you're morally Superior because they. disagree with you yeah you're morally. Superior because um I forget who was. talking to David Pacman someone was. talking to David Pacman and they brought. up this idea of if you were alive and. Hitler was there was an election with. Hitler and you knew that you could stop. Hitler from being elected you would do. whatever the [ __ ] you could morally and. that that is often the way they portray. Trump which justifies people doing.

everything and anything they can throw. every lawsuit at his Direction don't. even look at the Optics of it and don't. look at the possibility that you're. setting a precedent and then some. right-wing person including Trump if he. gets in office can now do this to you. the weapons you unleash will be used. against you yeah they always will be. they always have been that's why. generally it's good for society to have. certain rules about like we don't go. there we do not deerson our opponents we. do not rig elections we this is. democracy relies on the consent of the.

losers the moment you lose that you're. [ __ ] yeah you're [ __ ] yeah and. that's what's spooky is that this this. sort of thought that everyone has now or. that a lot of people have now that it's. one side has to win or it's all going to. fall apart but I feel like if either. side wins it's going to be chaos right. now we're at a boiling point yeah we're. at a crazy boiling point I think that. this year is the Calm before the storm. oh Jesus son it's going to get worse. yeah why can it get better what if they.

just legalized mushrooms 2024 you think. that's going to I mean legalized. mushrooms maybe but what if they just. put on everybody goes hey how do did. these mushrooms and I've got some. thoughts you know maybe we're spinning. our [ __ ] Wheels here kids yeah well. we banned magic mushrooms in 2005 even. though they grow naturally do it so. late when everybody had already figured. out they were awesome. you know it's not like you're not doing. it in 1950 after you watch Reaver. Madness like what the mushrooms too are. those legal get rid of them no they in.

this country they did it in 1970 really. yeah it was to break up the anti-war. movement it was essentially to break up. the civil rights movement and the. anti-war moov movement what they did is. they um made a sweeping group of drugs. illegal scheduled one and um that's also. part of like what Mk Ultra was doing by. allegedly. encouraging and training Manson you know. that's a Tom O'Neal book chaos which is. fascinating story they what they were.

doing was trying to stop the anti-war. movement and one of the best ways is to. lock all these people up for drugs lock. all these people up make everything. illegal and just start locking them up. lock them up for weed lock them up for. you know mushrooms whatever they have. whatever so they made all these sweeping. like illegalization something including. things that weren't even psychoactive M. they made him illegal but but isn't it. bizarre that the UK government made. magic and by the way that was a that was.

a leftwing government that was a labor. government it was a left government they. made magic mushrooms illegal in 2005 and. magic mushrooms grow in every field in. the. UK well how does that work yeah well so. the poppies grow naturally too right. that's heroin but you literally pick a. mushroom you dry it or you can eat it. fresh yeah you eat it fresh yeah and. then you it will it will it will create. a psychoactive and it might be the. source of Many religious experiences.

might it might be the source of many. many stories that people have had about. encoun I mean there's like so much. ancient religious artwork at centers. around mushrooms including all the old. depictions of Christmas all the old. depictions of Christmas involveed the. amonita muscaria mushroom and elves all. of them and that's a psychoactive. mushroom that's the mushroom that John. Marco Allegro wrote about when he wrote. that book The Sacred Mushroom in the. cross he was a guy who deciphered the. Dead Sea Scrolls he worked on them for. 14 years and it was his conclusion.

afterwards he wrote a book about called. The Sacred Mushroom in the cross uh his. conclusion was that the entire Christian. religion was probably a misunderstanding. and what it was really originally all. about was fertility rituals and mushroom. rituals it was about the consumption of. psychedelic mushrooms that brought you. to God and fertility rituals cuz having. children back then was like it was. imperative like everybody died. [ __ ] you know everybody [ __ ] died. nobody lived got an infection dead broke. your leg dead so it was hard hard times.

back then and so it's probably the root. of So Many religious experiences it's. the they believed it's the root the root. of the ucini Mysteries that's Brian M. rescue's book The immortality key where. these people would travel to elus and. and partake in this ritual where they. drank wine where now they know for sure. those wine vessels they've now tested. them and found out they had Urgot in. them so these people are tripping balls. they they've opened up a field of study. at Harvard about this now you know the. know thing that I find really.

interesting is as our society becomes. more Godless and we become more secular. yeah we've started to embrace things. like iasa as. experiences because there is still that. deep rooted need within us to have a. psychedelic religious experience we need. it We crave it yeah We crave it and. that's also the the root of wokeness I. think that's it's it's very much. religious you know and I think also. right-wing authoritarianism too I think. it's very much almost like a religious. thing it's like they they believe.

there's only one ideology there's only. one way and that way is the right way. and the good way and there's there's a. lot of like Mark andrees laid it out. that it's very much like a cult and that. there's a separation they take you away. from people who disagree take you away. from your family isolate you there's uh. people are cast c um cast out of the. group if they violate any of these very. rigid principles and there's a lot of. fear a lot of fear involved in it it's. very aggressive people that are involved.

in are very aggressive very aggressive. in EN forcing their ideas on other. people and wanting other people to. comply with their ideas much like. prizing yeah and there's a very active. disinterest in truth yeah very active. and that that is a very cult-like thing. man it's like yeah because it's hard to. form a cult around the truth because. truth is complicated it's Shades of Gray. it's it's it's it's you're not going to. get the exact truth you know you're. you're working at it we we can sit and. have a long conversation and we disagree. and agree what about if I just gave you.

the the way this is what you do this is. what you say this is what you believe. this is what you follow and if you don't. we cast you out so don't don't be that. guy you don't want to be that guy you. don't want to be that right absolutely. don't because that we're hardwired to. think that the moment we're that guy we. get extradited from the tribe we're done. we're dead in the savannah you you that. was it you. you know there's there's some research. that says that that's why almost. everybody has a fear of public speaking. because historically in in the ancestral.

environment if you were in front of a. group of your peers and they were all. silent that was usually not a good place. to be and if you had to explain yourself. to them you had to speak to them you. [ __ ] up yeah W Cummings told me about. that I was like oh that completely makes. sense yeah that completely makes sense. it's why dying on your ass as a comedian. is so painful. yeah any any public shame anything that. happens to you in front of people losing. something in front of people will they.

get to cheer that you lost oh man. painful painful for people but the thing. is the weird thing about when you do. comedy and you do die it actually isn't. as bad as you thought at the same time. do you know what I mean oh that. depends I've seen some I've been a part. of some horrible bombings oh man. especially early in my career they still. wake up in the middle of the night and. go Jesus. oh yeah you it's just but you know what. it is it's because everybody can talk so. why should you be able to talk you're.

not doing something like really special. like playing guitar that I can't do. you're not juggling you're not doing. something extraordinary that I'm I I. know I can't do yeah so if I go see. someone play guitar it's awesome I can't. play guitar at all so it's cool to. watch I can talk you can talk everyone. can talk so everybody watches someone. talk that sucks at it and go this sucks. I could do better than this guy yeah. everybody has that moment in their life. where they've been funny everybody said. that one Zinger that one time and. everybody talks about it remember when. you said that Bob you know every now and.

then you catch the lightning in a bottle. yeah but to be able to do it on stage. you know it's it's a tricky thing. because it seems like you're just. talking but there's a lot going on it's. very complicated you're do it's hypnosis. in a way you're hypnotizing people yeah. you're dragging them into the way you. think about things if you do it well if. you they enjoy it they're having a good. time it's one of the most rewarding. experiences both as an audience member. and as a comedian but the other side of.

that is if you [ __ ] eat [ __ ] up there. I always say bombing on stage is like. sucking a thousand dicks in front of. your mother but I think somewhere out. there there's a guy who wants to suck a. thousand dicks in front of his mom you. know there's someone out there going you. watching Mom you watching 99 and he's. just like there's a there's at least. he's probably been on your mom's house. one crazy guy out there that is probably. into that yeah but no one's into bombing. on stage it's horrible no no of course. it is I'm excited about your club man.

Francis was telling me all about it he. was saying how you really worked out the. design of it so that you know you were a. comedian who's built a comedy club this. got to be amazing yeah we were real. lucky too though we were real lucky that. we got this this spot the Ritz Theater. that was like the perfect place it's. like almost like it it's supposed to be. there everything like when we walked. into the room we're like oh my God this. is like this is is it like this is this. is perfect it's the perfect size like. everything and there's two rooms like oh. my God this is perfect like we had to.

make some changes and [ __ ] like we. raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. and did some a lot to the sound and all. that stuff and changed all the seating. and everything like that and built a new. stage but the bones of it were perfect. like the structure that was available to. build it in was perfect for this idea. just just having a placees like even the. big room is still real intimate it's. still like it's fun and it's all super. positive people working there and super. happy people everybody's getting paid. Well everybody's having a good time and.

it's just like a real good energy like. it just feels good when you get there. because everybody's kind of trying to do. the same thing and the people that are. going there are trying to do this. they're just trying to have fun. everyone's just trying to have fun so if. you can create especially with. everything so [ __ ] kooky right now. like people are so excited to just blow. off steam yeah yeah it's it's a special. place and it's not I mean the the. building and the the environment it's. all great it's all perfect but that to. me isn't what makes it special to me. what makes it special.

is wherever I go as a comedian when you. gigs at a comedy club the comedian is. always the afterthought it's the only. com comedy club that I've ever been to. where it's the comedian who is at the. foremost it's the place where the comedy. is respected and that is unique man. because unfortunately with practically. every other comedy club with the. exception of a certain few the comedian. is always the last person to be thought. about they build it as a business that's.

why they're trying to make money I I. built it as a place for comedy I. genuinely the designed and the idea. behind it was just make the best place. for comedy just I just took the same. attitude that I do with all other things. I just applied it to that like what's. the best way to do it what the best way. for the art form the the best way for. the art form is a lot of open mics we. have open mics Sunday and Monday the. employees the door people are all Comics. they audition for the job with their act.

and they're all happy to be there and. there's a real path to being a. professional they see it laid out in. front of them with kill Tony they see it. laid out in front of them with the. Showcase nights and all the clubs that. are also in Austin that are blowing up. there's like the sunset room that's. right down the street from us there's. the Vulcan there's Creek in the cave. those are all within like a really quick. walking distance so door people can. punch out and go do a set and come come. back like they can say hey we got I got. a 9:00 p.m. set at the creek okay cool. just punch out they punch out they go. down the street for 15 minutes they come. right back and they go back to work.

again and they also can get spots on the. Showcase nights they can get spots on. the open mic nights they get spots. around town There's Road gigs you can go. to they go to Road gigs together you. know and it's like they see this path. where you see guys like David Lucas and. Hans Kim and William Montgomery have. gone from exactly where they are to. being touring professionals who. headlining in clubs and making a great. living and having fun doing the thing. they love to do so there's a path cuz. before it was like you kind of had to. figure out your own path you know you.

got to kind of hope that someone would. hire you to do the road and you would. hope that a comedian would take you on. the road with them there's still some of. that to some extent but it's clearer now. yeah and you get to like you know you. get to see like Mike veton was there. this weekend you get to see Andrew. Schultz was here a couple weekends ago. Tim Dylan's coming up they just. announced his show you know this like. Chappelle stops by when he's in town. it's like you get to see as a person. who's like coming up in comedy you get. to see all these great Comics sagur is.

there all the time you know Brian. Simpson just recorded a special there. it's it's a beautiful environment That's. so exciting man and it's got to be one. of the best things about being in your. position is being able to create things. that you enjoy but give opportunities to. other people and create a space for. other people to succeed that's awesome. man that's so awesome it's really cool. to be able to do yeah because cuz it's. um I know it's you. know if any if I'm not going to do it. who's going to do it like it's like. that's that's that's my role that's like.

the spot I was in especially moving to. Austin there there wasn't a Cap City had. been closed down so there wasn't like a. big Comedy Club there's a couple there. was a scene you know there's a real good. local Comics it's a good area it's. always been good for comedy there's. always been like good Comics that have. come out of of Houston and Austin Bill. Hicks Bill Hicks I think he came out of. here we started I think it did in. Houston too yeah but you know um it just. it's a good place yeah and I think.

you're making an impact on the broader. culture as well because other people see. what's possible you're creating a space. that's free that's uncensored. unrestricted that's super awesome man. it's also the Cornerstone of the comedy. community is the show kill Tony because. kill Tony is a spot where people who. maybe have some of them have never done. standup in their whole life they go up. and they do one minute and if they kill. it make their [ __ ] career one solid. minute and some of them been doing. comedy eight nine years yeah and you. know they get their hat they pull their.

their name out of the Hat they go up. there and if they kill if they really. and so you have a minute when you have a. minute you have to cut out all the. [ __ ] you have to it's got to be like. concise it's got to be sharp it's got to. get to the funny right away and it can't. be full of virtue and [ __ ] you can't. you can't be woke you can't you can't. have a story about being a victim you. have to [ __ ] just be funny you only. have a minute so that is a great. Cornerstone and to the show is so wild. and so crazy it's such a no rule show. it's so chaotic and it's [ __ ] huge.

now they just sold out the HB arena in. town for a new year show and they they. added a second show so they added a. second night because there were so many. tickets that were sold a [ __ ] podcast. is selling out two 15,000 seat Arenas. you know nuts you know well I went to. watch uh kill Tony when last time I was. here and I have never seen the energy. that was in that room like you could use. it to power like cities I've never seen.

robot could feel I was going to say. that yeah that energy that is in that. room from the from the audience and then. like the symbiotic relationship with The. Comedians and the a it's so powerful. I've never seen anything like that yeah. when Tony and red band moved here it was. huge yeah it was gigantic because that. was a big Cornerstone of the comedy. community in La as well you know it just. in Austin it really came to life though. in Austin it really got way more popular. and way bigger and just it's just.

[ __ ] it's just great the guests are. great post Malone was on with me a. couple weeks ago Ric Flair was on the. other day I saw the Rick Flair one that. was a trip the protect our Parks guys. are on there all the time it's like it's. always got great great shows and Tony's. the master yeah he's so good at running. that show he's the fastest like with. like a oneliner that I've I've never. seen any body like it in my life he's. the best I've ever seen it's like people. don't know go watch those episodes he's. a [ __ ] animal it's so good and.

there's a wildness to it there it's and. that's we live in a world which is ever. more sanitized where people have to. watch what they say that people are now. watching what they think they think that. go I can't think I you can sometimes you. having a conversation you can even see. people self-censoring their thoughts as. you're having a conversation but that's. not an accident because when you control. people's speech you control what they. can think you have to be able to speak. to think that's how we think by by. saying things out loud this is why. censorship is such a problem man because.

when you speak you you say some dumb. [ __ ] we all do and then someone goes. well hold on have you thought about this. right and then you correct and you. adjust but if you prevent people from. saying anything out loud they can't. think properly and that's what we're. seeing there's another thing that people. should probably consider that's helped. me greatly I don't think that my ideas. are me think they are ideas I am not. married to them they are not a part of. my body they're they're just a thing. that I'm bouncing around my head and I. could be. wrong and if I I can be wrong it doesn't.

make me the Lesser person and I think a. lot of people equate being wrong with. being lesser there's an intellectual. competition when two people are. disagreeing about ideas and the ability. to say oh I see your point is not a. weakness it's a strength massive. strength it's a massive strength to be. able to recognize someone's argument and. go okay I see where you're going okay. that makes sense and when people can't. do that it's very frustrating for people. and look you can get a a large audience.

of people if you can't do that you still. can there's a lot of people that are. just happy to jump into that Echo Kitty. pool and piss all over each other they. love it but it's not good for anybody. it's not good for all of us collectively. you shouldn't do it and you're only. doing it because it's a trick it's an. ego trick I I think I think fear plays a. large Factor as well Joe I think yeah Fe. I just think people are scared man most. people there's a very famous quote you. know people most PE most men live their. lives in a state of quiet desperation. people yeah people are terrified and.

they're just so terrified that they're. going to say or do the wrong thing their. partner's going to leave them the kids. are going to hate them all of these. things in their entire world and. everything that they've strived for so. long to build this tiny little kingdom. if they step out of line everything is. going to crumble and most people are. living check to check so that fear is. even more like we're not talking about. the person who has a billion dollars. like why he's still working like look. that's Elon Musk why is he so wild he's.

wild because he's got $228 billion like. if he's not going to be wild who the. [ __ ] is right but the fact that he's. willing to do that and and he's so I. think it's so I mean he's my friend yeah. I'm kissing his ass but I think he's. [ __ ] massively important cultural. figure right now and he's often maligned. and labeled as being alt-right. is he right all the time no he's he's. wrong sometimes he's like yeah he's he. he remember he tweeted that thing about. the the guy who broke into Paul Pelosi's.

house like you know like there was some. controversy about whether or not you. know that story made any sense like. maybe this guy was already there like. people were implying that maybe Paul. bosi had like an affair with this guy or. something there was a lot of crazy. theories that were bouncing around no. then we saw the video no was a [ __ ]. crazy person with a hammer that broke. into the guy's house but the ability to. just to find out to talk about stuff. even if you're wrong like that's real. important and but the ability to know. when you're wrong too and to be able to.

admit that's important too like all of. it's important it's important we've got. to be able to work this out and you're. going to get people to say the wrong. things when when you're allowing people. to just freely speak and think in real. time without doing any [ __ ] research. sometimes you know there's a lot of. people espouse ideas on on on Twitter X. or whatever they're not think they. haven't looked into this very much they. just this is their belief and they're. going spit it out there and then they're. going to start defending it they're. going to yell at you and call you a. [ __ ] simp and you know you know. that's okay too like that has to take.

place yeah this is the most liberating. and fulfilling thing for us I think. doing what we do we have the freedom to. speak yeah in public and discuss things. and be wrong and be corrected and move. on from that and grow as people that's. that's the beauty of of what we do man. it's such a it's amazing that it exists. that's that's why I feel so strongly. about it needed to it needing protection. it needing to be preserved because. without that we're heading in the wrong. direction it's an integral part of our.

society whether you're on the right or. the left yeah it's important it's. important for everybody and it's. important for everybody to be. fair it's really important it's. important to be fair and to be and to. just like try to think of ourselves as a. community we really are supposed to be. that even the people that snuck. in whatever man I mean my my. grandparents BAS basally snuck in I mean. they came over when it was easy you just. hopped in a boat you get over here you. sign a piece of paper and you're in they. didn't have to do much of anything you. know it's like not that much different.

other than they were pretty gangster. because they didn't have YouTube to. watch they just took a chance that. America was a good spot to be but you. you you got we got to think of it as a. community if we don't think of it as a. community there's no point in this. calling this a country like now it's. just nuts now it's just like it's only a. community if you win it's only a. community for your people it's it's only. it's only good for the people that agree. with your side of things that's [ __ ]. nuts and we need wild people this is to. go back to the watching kill Tony kill.

Tony is wild and to me as somebody who. has been obviously grew up spent time in. the UK and now everything has become. more and more sanitized it was kind of. like a cold slap around the face I was. like whoa what's Happening Here I. remember the first time you guys came to. the Vulcan yeah before we were were to. open up the club and you're like. mate that's a good impression of me you. guys can get away with it yeah but. there's a hunger for it here too there's. a hunger for it everywhere man the truth. is everybody wants that freedom.

everybody yeah there's a but there's a. real like there's a recognition here. that something Cool's going on yeah. because like Austin has become a major. comedy scene it's like it's a big comedy. scene now it's a big deal you know yeah. and we have uh the other cop cab city. opened up too which is in the domain. which is real close to here too and it's. all world class Talent every weekend. that's great for us too it's great for. everybody they have two rooms over there. to I haven't been but I've heard it's a. great Club so it's it's great for. everybody and so the the the Austin. Community recognized it and we got all. this crazy uh comedy tourism people are.

flying here from all over the world to. come to these shows yeah Tony Tony asks. all the time like how many people have. come from somewhere else who came from. the furthest people like come from. Australia just for this show I've come. from England I've come from France I've. come from Denmark like the whole. audience it's filled with people that. come from all over the place it's. beautiful man when we started doing live. shows we haven't done a few for a while. for trigonometry but that's what we. found people flying over from America to. London to see us on stage with Andrew. doy or someone like that just talking. yeah there's a hunger people have a real.

hunger for fun and for people who have. who who have good ideas people that they. want to hear talk about stuff and it. enriches their perspective of the world. and I think that that's a very valuable. thing whether you're on the right or the. left I think we need to think about it. just as a overall species the human. species values interaction values honest. interaction it's important for us we. need to be able to do it all the time. it's the only way we're going to sort.

things out but we should do it with some. principles and one of those principles I. think that I've adopted I've tried very. hard to adopt is I'm not my ideas yeah. they're not me they're are thing that I. explore and I try to explore them with. as much humility as I can and some of. them I [ __ ] lock on to I'm like this. seems pretty goddamn clear and if you. disagree with me I'd love to hear your. point I'd love to hear your position of. why you disagree but don't [ __ ] me. like come to me from a real place and. have you really assessed this have you.

really looked at this accurately have. you Lo looked at this historically like. historically what have people very. similar to this done what are we talking. about here and we need wild people you. know we're sanitizing culture to the. point where the Maverick the person who. is a little bit kooky the person who is. we would describe as a little bit out. there those are the people who culture. as well the people who see things in a. completely different way well we used to. love that weed love rockars that's those. who are rock stars those were the. comedians those were the people are like.

oh I mean he said it I can't believe he. said it but you know but we love that. because we get to live our life. vicariously through those people it's so. cathartic like I remember the first time. I went like my friend uh a couple of. comedians one of my mates went to me. right you've got to go and see this guy. called Bill bur and this was like in. 2014 and and he was playing the. Leicester Square Theater I think you. played it as well Joe back in the day. it's a little 400 seat theater and I. remember watching this guy and I'm like.

like number one this is the funniest. thing I've think I've ever seen and. number two like I can't believe he's. saying this stuff like why why is no one. coming to shut this down. what that's the British. response why is no one shutting this. down where's the council you know why is. it's not regulated but it's but it's. it's important it's why we love sports. it's why we love boxing it's we love why. we love UFC it's why you know J Mahal is. a star yeah you need wild people you. need it look I'm I'm a big fan of wild. people oh man yeah it's like half my.

friends yeah and you know you there's. something you said last time we were. here that really changed the way I think. about it all I remember I asked you. about Teddy Atlas And how that. conversation went uh and how you felt. about somebody saying something about a. friend of yours that was not. complimentary and and the thing you said. was like the first thing is you have to. let the person say their thing they have. to let them Express themselves and that. is just so simple but so profound uh in. the current culture you've got to let. people speak you got it yeah people.

always think you're supposed to push. back immediately I always at very the. the very beginning of any kind of wacky. conversation where I think someone's off. the rails or I don't agree with them or. I I'm or I'm willing to think in the way. they think I'll open myself up okay tell. me how you think about this you got to. let them lay it all all out it's got to. you can't if you interrupt if you jump. in when I had Bobby Kennedy on I said it. was the first time in 18 years anybody. let him talk like that everybody always.

pushed back everybody's felt like I have. to stop you I have to say studies would. disagree I have to say what you're. saying is not true I have to say you. know vaccines have been the most. important invention and I you have to. say let the guy talk let him talk yeah. then try to figure out how he got to. that spot yeah where what what is it. about the way you see things that's. different than the way I see things and. what do you know that I don't know and. if you can't do that you're not going to. have real conversations with people. you're never going to know what they. really think you're always going to just. be battling with them and you see that.

there's a lot of these talk show hosts. online not not even necessarily online. but on television particularly because. they have such a short format you can. kind of steamroll somebody and they just. start the conversation and jump in and. insult them and jump in and reject what. they're saying and jump in and get. louder and jump in and then before you. know the segments over and someone's got. a Zinger or two that they've already. prepared and they say that the problem. with people like you. is Boom we'll be back and then you show.

commercial fiser and everybody's happy. it's just so limited it's a limited way. of communicating we all know it's. limited it's not good that's why I'm so. excited about New Media I think it's a. real opportunity to start to change that. you know with trigonometry we're. increasingly thinking about it as. trigger media in terms of bringing other. people we're going to start a show with. Winston Marshall and Andrew doy and me. on the channel we're going to be doing. more comedy and stuff like that that's. great keep expanding there's a there's a. hunger for it you know there's a hunger. for intelligent conversations with.

people people you agree with and. disagree with and you know that's how. you find out about stuff I mean I. remember those convers I one of the. things that I used to really love. watching is these uh debates like uh. when uh Christopher Hitchens was alive. when he would uh debate religious people. yeah and Sam Harris as well they debate. these were fascinating watching people. get their ideas Shattered by a more. brilliant mind yeah it's like that those.

are so important and no one's doing that. anymore these kind of conver they're. they're just so these ideas are so. controversial and toxic now some of the. things that ail us are so. controversial that people don't even. want to discuss them they just want to. walk away it's third rail I don't want. to be a part of that let me ask you. something Joe about the new atheist. because there's a lot of people I wrote. an article subsite called the atheism. delusion and there's a lot of people now. talking about how that idea hasn't. really worked out in the sense of once. you take away religion once you take.

away people's we talked about it earlier. people need religious experiences right. um I wonder whether part of the problems. that we are facing is is the lack of it. the the criticisms that they were making. were legitimate but where We've Ended up. doesn't seem to me to be a good place. and then you get we talked about this. earlier the woke ideology coming in it. almost feels like a repl placement for. what we had before do you know what I. mean yeah it becomes very much like. religion in a lot of ways do you. remember atheism plus. no that was the thing they were trying.

for a little while or some factions were. trying where it was atheism plus a. series of like ethical and moral. guidelines so it was like. atheism wasn't just atheism it was. atheism plus like a lot of like very. woke ideologies but particularly at the. time they weren't calling it woke it was. like Progressive ideology they were and. I'm like oh okay a religion so you guys. have like rules you're going to you. going to have it's not deities it's a. moral High ground it's you know it's.

instead of a God you have a a set of. ideals that can't be questioned yeah you. know we interviewed Dawkins a couple of. months ago and one of my favorite ever. conversations and you know what a. brilliant man what a brilliant mind and. we were talking with him and and I was I. I said to him but people need religion. Richard because the reality is we're all. going to die that is a reality that is. the harsh and brutal reality of human. existence we are born and we shall die.

but the idea of death to the vast. majority of people and understandably so. is so terrifying that it's that it's. impossible to intellectualize it's. impossible to accept so I think the vast. majority of people need religion they. just need it yeah well people need. something something something and that's. why you're seeing the iasa rituals. become like a replacement in a lot of. ways for religion but you know honestly.

a better one a lot of I know a lot of. people that have gotten like some. profound changes from psychedelic. experiences if done correctly with the. right intent and the right setting you. can't deny them whether it's psilocybin. or DMT or these experiences that people. have had where they've legitimately. changed as a human being I don't think. that they should be ignored no you know. and I think that denying those from. people that's not good for anybody. either it's it's not good to deny people.

their right to practice religion it's. not good to tell people that the way. they're living is wrong Live Your Way. live your way and if if someone wants to. live with religion as long as they're. not imposing that on other people and. that's of course where the big problem. is that's where there's laws that get. put in place you know and then you know. there's certain restrictions on certain. parts of the population whether it's. homosexuality or women or oh now we're. dealing with problems we're dealing with. control issues yeah you know and if if.

you say that there's no need for. religion what about all the people that. benefit from it right seems like a lot. of people get real meaning from religion. is how could that be a bad thing seems. like it's only a bad thing when if. they're imposing on other people they're. forcing other people to give in to their. will and it's like that with wokeness. like I'm like be woke if you want just. don't make other people do it you know. like people are allowed to think. whatever they're allowed to think but. let me ask you something because I think. all three of us are non-believers is.

that fair I don't think I'm a. non-believer no I I had a a psychedelic. experience and January this year I took. a like I did the full thing like I I. kind hide a shaman and like I had did a. like a mushroom ceremony in my house and. um we we did uh did the mushroom trip. and then he the the guy administered. this kind this tobacco which they use in. the um the native Native Native people.

using South America it's a tobacco you. put up the nose I don't know what it. what it is I remember when it happened. when he did it the first hit I I didn't. get anything from it I just felt. uncomfortable he put the second hit up. my nose everything went black I just saw. these orange kind of squiggles in front. of me and then I just felt myself like. sinking backwards and I like I had no. control over my body and I was lying. back and I had I and I remember at one. point I kind of thought this is what.

dying is this is what it means to. literally die and I and I panicked. halfway through and I remember sitting. up and trying to sit up and then. whatever it was just smacked me back. down and one of the parts of me that i'. I that I'm not proud of is the kind of. sort of depressive element to my. personality and going oh this is [ __ ]. bull [ __ ] I want to die or whatever. you know what I mean and it kind of like. you always had that negative side to you. well you're going to experience death. [ __ ] you know you're actually. going to experience what it is to.

die and having gone through that and and. having experienced that it it made me. realize I don't know why there's no way. of intellectualizing it there's no way. of seeing it but. just I I know there is a God but it's so. beyond our capabilities to understand. what it is that it's kind of pointless. to talk about you know what I mean I. think one one of the things that I've. gotten out of psyched experiences is. that.

there's an inescapable connection that. we have with each other yes and that the. the energy that we put out good or bad. Ripples and. creates positive or negative reactions. all throughout everything you experience. whether you want to believe that or not. when you want to believe immune to that. whether you're doing coke and [ __ ]. stealing money from the hedge fund. you're you're you're putting out an. inescapable negative reaction and that.

the more good you can do and the less. you can do that the better you will be. in life and that it should be a practice. that you should practice trying to put. out the least amount of negative energy. yes least amount of. conflict the least amount of [ __ ]. the least amount of where you could take. the high road take it take it always. there's a way to do it find a way to. communicate with people even people you. don't disagree with with respect and.

dignity and it'll be better for. everybody you both walk away feeling. better even if you don't agree with each. other on something but so many people. are so invested in Conflict they're so. invested in that that it made me realize. like that's just like a negative trap. just a feedback loop that will play out. for your whole life if you don't stop it. if you don't corrected inside of of your. being and. just commit to no longer doing that if. you don't do that you're you're going to.

constantly be involved in conflict and. we know people that are constantly. involved in Conflict we know people like. that there are always there's always. something wrong there's always something. always something chaotic with them what. they're doing and what who's doing. something to them and they're doing this. to that person and it's like it's a. waste it's a giant waste it's a it's an. energy management problem it's a it's a. it's it's like a soul problem it's a. direction problem it's like you're just. you're on the wrong path and you don't.

have to be yeah I suppose non-believers. was probably the wrong term I guess what. I was going to ask you Joe is how do you. think about. death well it's inevitable it's. interesting right everyone I always say. this that everyone wants to go to sleep. but no one wants to die yeah it's weird. it's weird you're looking to shut off as. long as long as you know you can come. back yeah cuz you need it we all do it. um it's whatever it is I'd just be. talking out of my ass if I said I knew.

and that's part of the problem is that. it's so unknown that so many people talk. out of their ass and then they want to. believe that the person who they agree. with is correct and so like this is what. happens to you in the Kingdom of Heaven. like [ __ ] how do you know how do you. know you don't know you're just guessing. you might be right you might be right. imagine if go to haveen [ __ ] say. Peter's there with a big. book check see on the list like what. there really dudes with robes and like. oh my God angels are real cherubs flying.

around like little babies with [ __ ]. wings like whoa okay it's real would. that be any weirder than Earth would it. be any weirder than human beings would. it be weirder than [ __ ] Twitter. Twitter being able to communic way than. Twitter but what I mean is timing with. people on the other side of the world. what I mean is how do you think about. the inevit the inevitability of your own. death something I'm thinking about and. having children change is how you think. about it for me at least well there's a. certain amount of things in this world.

that are out of your control and if you. concentrate on things that are out of. your control you're [ __ ] yeah and if. you I mean that is the epitome of. existential angst right yeah constantly. worrying about your own demise it's. going to happen and that's part of the. the wildness of the puzzle of life is. that you know it's going to happen and. you have to be able to somehow accept. that and also appreciate life right now. cuz if you were dead or imagine if. you're on your deathbed and you know.

this is your last gasp of air if I had. something that I could give you and all. of a sudden you'd be 39 again and all of. a sudden you'd be doing a podcast again. and all a sudden you'd see your wife. again and see your children again and. see your friends again and go to the. places where all the people you love go. you would be so happy you'd be so happy. to be there like oh my my God another I. got another shot at. this and we don't often think that way. no and we really should appreciate the. moment it's corny and [ __ ] spiritual. Guru wooden beads you know as that.

sounds we really should appreciate the. moment and it's a matter of managing. your mind to the point where you could. do that consistently and that's what's. hard it's hard to do that you know I. think we we're kind of living together. in a group now the trigger team and you. brought on oh you got a cult yeah that's. it yeah it's a good cult though one of. the good ones it's a cult it's a cult. about the sex mate that's how they all. say in the beginning that's my point.

that's my point yeah but you know and uh. we're not actually living together. anymore we we used to we used to but. Constantine's little boys there and it's. so wonderful man it's just so because. you're living with a person you know he. he's 14 16 months around 16 months and. you're living with someone who exists. purely in the moment There's No Agenda. there's there's no like oh but if I say. this and I do this then maybe he might. like me which means I can there's just.

like I remember there was one instance. where I was on my phone and I was trying. to sort something out I was frustrated. and he toddled up to me and he had like. a little plastic cup and he just went. like that and gave it to me and at that. moment like everything disappeared it. didn't matter that I was upset about. they were frustrated cuz to him all that. mattered was him giving me something and. say here you go this is from me to you. and it was like it was just like love. like pure it was just the most beautiful. thing that one single moment he just.

wanted to interact with you yeah yeah. he's a cutie he's a cutie um I'm I'm. working on on on my on the second book. and it's going to be something to do. with gratitude because you nailed it man. you got we this is one of the things. that I think is missing in our society. is we don't appreciate what we have can. we hold that thought I have to PE so bad. yeah let's hold that thought right yeah. yeah only me I want you to be. uncomfortable all right yeah we'll be. right back Yeehaw kids and we're back. we're back.

refreshed what the [ __ ] are we talking. about gratitude gratitude yeah yeah yeah. yeah it sounds again it's one of those. hippie things they've they've taken over. that word you know it's like the word. god like a for a lot of people the word. God is like oh come. on what you but what does it mean to you. it ain't no hippie thing man it's a real. human thing everybody needs it gratitude. is positive energy it's like. appreciating things so hard for people. to do and again it's like it's a mental. management issue so many people haven't.

been given the tools to to be able to do. that or the moments in life where you. have to sort of cultivate that yeah yeah. yeah it's easier for us man. because you know we started our show in. a room above a comedy club with nothing. like we had less than nothing we didn't. have any cameras we didn't have any. microphones we didn't have any money we. didn't have any profile we didn't have. any followers we literally had nothing. and every day now we just we we just.

experience it as it sounds hippie and. [ __ ] and whatever but it's true. every day is a blessing man it really. really is you know this is I think what. again this is partly the the the trip. that I did just made me realize man like. everything is connection like the mo. what we all crave at its most basic is. connection yeah that's what we that's. what we all crave We crave connection We. crave to be around people to share ideas.

to be heard to be listened to to feel. love to give love and that's why like. you see social media is is the ultimate. cont trick in a way because it's going. yeah you're more than connected more. connected than ever but you see it when. you see like a couple and they're going. for a day or whatever else and like. they're both on their phones and they've. both got their head down mhm and you go. you're not connecting you're not having. a discussion which is why our show works. and why your show works because it's. connection and that's it's it's a.

beautiful thing and to connect with. another human being and to share to. listen to share experiences to and to. play yeah it's it's it's life and I. think the other thing that's cool is. like people get to listen to your show. and have conversations they they're kind. of a part of this conversation you get. to go back and forth with it and they. don't have anybody in their life they. could have that conversation with so. they have access to these conversations. that you have with these people and. through that they get a enhanced.

perspective of things so maybe they're. in a place where there is no one like. these people that you're talking to and. they get to listen and go oh well maybe. the way I'm looking at things is. narrow-minded or maybe the way I'm. looking at things is flavored by all the. people around me and I've just sort of. accepted that as my own ideas maybe I. don't agree with them maybe I'm more in. line with the way you guys think or. maybe I'm more in line with the way. guest thanks and it's uh as weird as it. sounds like you're enriching people's. experiences as a human being through. doing that yeah and we reach ourselves. for us from day one man every.

conversation it's a privilege to be I. mean in your case even more so you've. got some of the most amazing people in. the world coming in here and sitting. down for three four 5 hours whatever it. is and you get to pick their brain and. have a connection and a conversation. it's it's it's the most amazing thing. it's pretty wild yeah and again totally. unexpected just like you guys who. started out with a laptop yeah just. hanging out doing stuff on webcam with. my friend. Brian and then it went from there and.

you know the beautiful thing about this. show is that you humanize people man you. humanize people because in the world of. media and celebrity and they what they. do is they paint two-dimensional. pictures of people you know Joe Rogan is. this Mike Tyson is this is and listen to. the person you go oh actually what I've. been painted is [ __ ] it's a. two-dimensional representation which. actually doesn't. reflect one iota of who they truly are.

as a human being some people just accept. it for what they hear but the the good. thing about the negative perspectives. that people have is it forces other. people to listen doesn't force them it. uh entices them to listen yeah entices. good because they're like what is this. crazy [ __ ] yeah like what's going on and. then listen go oh it's a reasonable. conversation it's just going against. what's the The Narrative that you have. to say and the the way you have to talk.

and that if you don't think that way. you're some extremist some far right or. far this or far that or [ __ ] proud. boy or whatever you are yeah you know. yeah it's so easy to label people like. that so easy to just dismiss him. entirely as soon as you can label him. like that and I think about this a lot. because you know even our perceptions. like who Joe Rogan is or who Constantine. or Francis is it for for most people. it's it's it's a snippet of some. information that they saw different.

people saw different Snippets so if if. you're arguing about who is Francis. Foster well our perspectives are going. to be so different because we've got. different experiences so I I remember. and this it was so crazy um a friend of. ours had a girlfriend who was very smart. very interested she's kind of into the. stuff that we talk about and whatever. and we were at a party somewhere and she. was saying saying oh you were just on. Joe Rogan isn't he all right and I was. like okay what let's unpack that what do. you mean right I you know how I can go. when I disagree with somebody but I just. held back and I was just like let's find.

out what you're talking and what it came. down to is you're a masculine guy who's. got muscles and. Tattoos all right that's what all right. means that's hilarious right I think. Francis is right when you take the time. to be with people then you get to see a. lot more of the human being yeah and. hopefully we're doing that and more. people should do it too it's like try to. do it with your friends you know it's. you know I love watching all these.

podcasts that emerge where people just. starting it out just trying it and some. of them suck but I suck too in the. beginning oh we all did everybody suck. yeah it's hard you could bring up I mean. photos of us I mean particularly photos. of me when we just started out oh My. Sweet. Lord but the I remember cuz I've been. listening to show don't skip over that. man the transformation the new since. we've started has been [ __ ] amazing. and inspiring to watch to be honest in. every way it's been beautiful yeah and. it's you know working like. transformation in your mind the what you. think about things it's the.

transformation in my mind uh the. transformation in my body but but also. it's it's all that fat shaming I did. it's paying off man exactly cool fat. shaming fat shaming works yeah I mean it. it really does you can look at a picture. yeah you probably shouldn't do it no it. works for men yeah it works for men. maybe not for women doesn't work on bird. CER but I I will say this man it's like. when I was I remember listening to one. of your interviews with Mike Tyson where.

he was talking about DMT and how it. changed who he was and how there was a. Mike Tyson before DMT there was a Mike. Tyson after DMT and he said that he. looks back and he doesn't like the guy. he used to be he goes that person scares. me that person was wild that person was. out of control I don't ever want to go. back to being that person and I thought. to myself how beautiful man that you get. to be part of somebody's Redemption Arc.

of somebody going you know what I wasn't. a very good person I was very damaged. and for whatever reason I did things. that I'm not proud of but now I'm trying. to be better and if you think about it. man imagine you you look back and you. don't think that right how have you. spent your life you're not better than. you were 30 years ago right no I don't. care how good you were 30 years ago you. could still be better today Mike Tyson's. Arc is one of the most fascinating right. because he was such a destroyer I mean. he got all of his love and all of his.

attention from smashing people like. literally separating human beings from. their Consciousness in front of the. whole world and he was the he I mean. look I'm a huge boxing fan and you can. look at all of these you know the greats. like the frasers the Ali you know the. Joe lewises all you know all of these. people. but I would say that with Tyson with. early early Tyson he was the most. exciting fighter oh yeah you just the. moment there was a fight with Tyson.

everyone was watching they were like. executions was it the Knockouts you. think that that was really the thing. that it was the threat of The Knockouts. The Knockouts the the the menacing image. that he presented would he come in with. a towel around his neck and nothing. else black shorts smashing people just. so dedicated to this one thing being the. greatest heavyweight of all time and. it's also as well man like you know you. know every boxer every fighter has got a. nickname and some of them are more.

appropriate than others he called. himself the baddest man on the planet. and at his Peak he was the baddest man. he was there was no UFC back then oh man. you know there was no uh no one could. take him down yeah you know you you just. you don't and like I said before you. know you took you you had an interview. with him you humanized him you made him. you you be to me he became not Mike. Tyson this Avatar the baddest man on the. planet but what he did he became a human.

being and it also enriched me because. then I was like oh I really want to do. psychedelics cuz I want that that. Insight that he has had about himself. and that process I want to go on that. Journey now yeah helped me yeah helped. me tremendously well speaking of the UFC. Joe m. I am so gutted that we're not going to. see Jon Jones versus Francis and G we. might still see it you think we will. anything can happen you never know you. never know but that is that's got to be.

the greatest fight that hasn't happened. in the UFC history right yeah that. that's the big one that would have been. the big one but you know France is going. to have this boxing match with Tyson. Fury yeah what do think how do you think. that goes yeah I mean Tyson Fury's one. of the greatest if not the greatest. heavyweight of all time he's so good. he's so slick his footwork his movement. the way he sets traps and catches people. he's so clever he's so skilled he's been. Unstoppable as a heavyweight boxer.

Francis is a big powerful knockout. artist that's undeniable but you know. the advantage obviously goes to Tyson. Fury it's his sport he's the best one of. the best if not the best ever at his. sport yeah he's so [ __ ] good and he's. so clever comes in all fat and. everything and makes fun of it and takes. his shirt off and and still beats the. [ __ ] out of everybody and he's skilled. isn't he super sked so skilled he's. skilled like a smaller man and he's. enormous he's so fleed on his feet his.

footwork his movements he's such a good. boxer man he's such a good boxer that. you could you know Francis has got to. catch him with a big punch and he's got. to be able to figure out how to do that. like how do you catch a guy who's been. boxing his whole life against all the. the greats boxing guys are the best. boxers. ever that said Francis I believe if when. he was a young man if he had just gotone. into boxing and not into MMA like if.

someone had found him when he was like. Mike Tyson's age when Mike Tyson was 13. and trained Francis like if custo would. found Francis Francis is a terrifying. specimen he's so big and he's so. powerful he's the the greatest one punch. knockout artist I've ever seen in the. heavyweight division the stuff that he. does the way he takes people out the way. he knock out alst over and Kane. Velasquez and all it's just like he hits. you you're [ __ ] you're but that's with. little gloves right so you have to take. into account the gloves are bigger you. got to take into account it's only.

boxing so the the footwork and the. movement is going to be different and. he's fighting a master you know if he. can connect who [ __ ] knows you know. it is the quintessential puncher's. chance but you would have to if you look. at the betting odds they must be. enormously en tyon Fury's favorite like. what are the betting odds online for. this fight let's take a guess I'll say 5. to1 6 to1 7 to1 something like that. maybe more let's take a guess what do. you think they are I mean the thing is. with Tyson as well is that he comes from. a gypsy background and as someone who.

has taught Gypsy kids they get taught. how to box from the age of four to. five it's part of their culture and and. their other part I remember when he got. uh he I can't remember which fight I was. working at a radio station at the time. and we were doing overnight so I watched. I think it was the first Wilder fight. may have been the second do you remember. when he got knocked down everyone went. he's dead and then he got back up and I. can't believe he got back up gypsy boys. are trained you never ever back down. from a fight you keep going until they.

are done or you are done that is it he. didn't just get up he got up and won the. rest of the round he got up like The. Undertaker and then won the rest of the. round and then it figured out that's the. way to fight Deontay Wilder to put him. on his heels and then came in the second. fight and beat him down and then the. third fight got clipped in the third. fight by a punch that probably takes out. 99.99% of all the people who' ever lived. and somehow or another he survives it. from the guy who's the biggest one punch. knockout artist in the history of boxing.

Deontay Wilder puts everyone to sleep. yeah he just shuts dude's lights off. with one shot blop he does it to. everybody everybody you see guys get hit. and they're like what the [ __ ] happened. he's such a brutal puncher and fury. survived that he survived that in the. first fight survived in the second. second fight survives in the third fight. well this is what I was going to ask you. because if it's A Punch's chance the. question is how does ganu compare. power-wise to like a Deontay waler we.

really won't know we really won't know. until we see him hit a boxer with the. big gloves on we know Deonte Deontay. hits anybody they go out except Tyson. Fury he's the only one that's been able. to survive it because then that fight. you could see would Wilder walk away he. thought he was he thought Fury was done. he everybody's done when he hits him. like that yeah the Lis Ortiz fight ever. see that fight no he hits him with a. right hand on the forehead just Bop and. Ortiz is on the ground like like he got. shot like he has no idea what the [ __ ]. watch it here find that Deontay Wilder.

knocks out uh lisis Ortiz LS Ortiz is. from the Cuban uh Olympic program leis. Ortiz is a phenomenal boxer I think. Ortiz is probably ahead on the. scorecards because Ortiz is a great. boxer probably close but he might have. been ahead on the scorecards and Deontay. just blop one shot the way he knocks. people out too it's just like. jeez they go flying it's like he's got. magic in his hands he's not the biggest. guy in the world he's very tall and long.

but it's just the torque and the [ __ ]. the speed and power behind his shots. it's like nobody in the history of the. division even Tyson Tyson knocked guys. out with a a barrage of punches usually. except like Michael Spinx and you know I. mean even Larry Holmes he' dropped Larry. before he knocked him out Deontay just. catches guys with one shot. so they're boxing here and watch when. the one punch knockout comes so he's. already got him hurt yeah boom.

boom is that after he was dropped or was. he dropped before that no I think he. gets. up I think the rational thing to do. there is to stay down yeah just the. power this dude has is just so. crazy oh. my oh man crumples [ __ ] hell you know.

the one that gives me n is that the. second time they fought Jamie it wasn't. I don't think that was the right KO yeah. I think they fought twice I me I typed. in Ko and those those were the two. fights that popped up look at that oh my. dude crazy the Brazil fight crazy power. I mean his power is just that's round. one of. 12 I mean Deontay is like nobody else he. his [ __ ] power is so ridiculous and. he's so long this one was wild yeah that.

one was wild oh my god oh stver was the. first guy to ever go the distance with. him I think in the first fight in the. second fight he just put his lights out. Jesus I mean power is just extraordinary. man look at that he's like you know so. Ken Francis punch like that I don't you. know you know we're going to find out I. don't know you know I mean it's like. when you look at him move and you look. at Tyson Fury move like wow that's an. uphill battle Yeah but what is the odds. yeah I I was going to go 10 to one Joe.

uh it's I found two two different sites. it's uh in is plus. 725 7 to1 yeah you were right yeah I. that's you know it probably will go up. when the fight comes you know more. people start betting on Tyson Fury yeah. this one has andano just a little bit. lower but Fury is the same on both sides. I checked yeah. 1100 but Jon Jones man I would so love. to see that fight particularly when we.

saw what happened with serel gun because. you look at seral gun you go this guy. moves so well for a big guy so skilled. so talented and it was it was over walk. Cakewalk yeah no one else can do that to. serial G here here it is this is this is. the Louis fight second fight okay watch. this boom oh one shot one shot that's. the one I'm talking about oh man my God. so he KO him twice oh man with this this. one was just one shot to the forehead on. Ortiz was like whoa Daddy watch this.

again right here oh is this the. Highlight yeah this is I just backed up. too. far it was a good fight up until this. moment too here it. comes oo see so yeah artiz was scoring. on him man I'm telling you it was a good.

fight there it is oh M there it is one. shot come on son that guy punches so. hard oh man so can Francis punch like. that we don't know you know we really. don't know until he boxes can he can. deliver it can he deliver it on. someone's chin because Deontay doesn't. just hit that hard he delivers those. shots on guys like Tyson Fury you know. he delivers those shots on everybody you. know it's a it's an uphill battle he's a. scary guy though man Francis is a scary.

dude he's big he's 265 naturally. shredded what do he what he said he was. walking around 275 275 is 280 he walking. around CU he doesn't have to make the. UFC's weight limit UFC's weight limit. was 265 so he had to be 265 fight in the. UFC he looked like he was chiseled out. of granite he's a perfect athlete for. fighting tall big long crazy power and. intelligent he figures out how to get. better you know he got so much better.

from the first DPA fight to the second. fight it was no comparison it was a. completely different guy patient. calculated technical you know and the. the the knockout punch that he hit. steepe. with the Joo Rosen strike knockout gives. me nightmares yeah that was crazy he's. 290 to 293 wow wow so he weighs two. vulcanos. skis he's enormous but you know can he. deliver that power and the betting odds. say no but are you a fan of the.

crossover fights yeah I'm a fan of guys. like Francis making a shitload of money. I'm a fan of I'm a fan of lit see I'm a. fan of craziness you know like if Jake. Paul decides to fight Canelo Alvarez I'm. gonna watch crazy they really do that. that's that's crazy I'm a fan of uh of. I'm a fan of these kind of opportunities. for Fighters like for for a guy like uh. Conor McGregor when he fought Floyd. Mayweather you know what made a hundred. million dollars I'm a fan of that I'm a.

fan of those guys being able to do. something like that would they make an. extraordinary amount of money doing. something like that this isn't my. argument but it is the purest argument. that some these crossover fights are you. demeaning to the noble art of boxing you. know the boxing is it's a sport it's an. art form you know it's taking away from. fighters who have dedicated their whole. lives to this Noble art you know what I. mean that that that argument. yeah also it's fun yeah it's yeah but.

also it's fun it's fun fun to watch that. fight it's fun it's fun the fact that. the heavyweight champion of the UFC who. you know retired as a heavyweight or. left left the UFC as a champion is going. to be get to box the greatest. heavyweight boxer of all time with zero. professional boxing. fights I mean. let's see I mean it's kind of like the. Conor McGregor fight let's see you know. and real similar in in the the talent. that they're facing you know when Conor.

McGregor fought Floyd Mayweather Floyd. Mayweather's arguably the best boxer of. all time I mean the most defensively. sound boxer in the history of the sport. like the guy literally has only been hit. hard like three or four times his whole. career I mean especially when when he. really became like the great Floyd. Mayweather like he was just outboxing. every Canelo Alvarez Manny Pacquiao. everybody got it everybody got it Ricky. Hatton everybody got it he beat the [ __ ]. out of everybody he's the man Floyd's. The Man like 50 and0 that's the guy I.

mean if you if you're G to have an. all-time great it's hard to argue that's. not that guy because he's the guy that. got away from the sport with the least. amount of damage the most amount of. money and he's also been able to sustain. himself doing these exhibition fights. for crazy amounts of money where the. people literally have no chance. literally have no chance and and he's. boxing these folks and they'll fly him. over to Japan you know when when he had. that fight over there with the this. kickboxer he it's what he's doing is.

pretty wild and you know what Francis. andano and Tyson Fury are gonna do. that's pretty wild too let's see yeah I. mean you have to watch that right oh. yeah yeah are you happy it's happening. though like this Noble art of boxing. [ __ ] shut the [ __ ]. up have have that Sports completely. corrupt yeah look you're absolutely. right I sometimes think that the reason. Mayweather doesn't get his dues is. because he ain't that likeable as an. individual you know what I mean I think. it was also less exciting than you know.

a Mike Tyson type of thing in terms of. watching as a spectator it's both of. those things are fair to say you know. but also that's also how he got people. to watch he got people to watch by. rooting against him yes you know he he. you know when he first started out he. was Pretty Boy Floyd was a different. Mayweather you know he was Pretty Boy. Floyd and then he became Money. Mayweather and it became Money. Mayweather that's when like more people. started watching and the more [ __ ] he. talked and the more he showed you his. Diamond crusted watches and rolls-royces.

and the more people wanted him to lose. the more he kept winning yeah he became. the heel amazing smart super smart in. terms of marketing I mean come on man it. ensured a large audience of people that. were tuning in just to watch him lose. yeah well you want to you want to see if. that winning streak is going to get. broken right sure but you also want to. see someone to beat him cuz he's so. cocky God tired of this cocky Champion. whenever there's a cocky Champion people. like want to see him this guy knock him. off his high horse so people would tune. in just to see that which is genius yeah.

but it was interesting you said you. still think Jon Jones versus Francis and. gone it could happen it could happen. yeah why do you say that Joe well. because uh Francis has his contract with. the pfl let's say he fights out his. contract let's say he fights Tyson Fury. then he fights out his contract and then. at the end of the contract the UFC. offers him a giant chunk of money to. fight Jon Jones so let's say if Jon. Jones fights Stipe who who knows who. wins that fight right and then maybe if. he wins Jon Jones fights Sergey Sergey.

pavlovich who's a very scary guy who's. uh coming through the ranks there's not. a lot of really Tom Aspen is very. promising he's really good British guy. he's really [ __ ] good Tom Aspen is. really good he has the potential to be. an all-time great when you watch Tom. Aspen movement for a heavyweight his. diversity and his skill set leg kicks. submissions he's [ __ ] super. intelligent fast as [ __ ] he's big. naturally big guy super dedicated to the.

game Tom Aspen has a real shot so maybe. it's Tom Aspen so may and depending but. if Jon Jones wins all those and Francis. wins in the pfl and then leaves and then. they could have another fight and that. would be Bonkers that would be Bonkers. you want to see that man yeah well I. wanted I was very upset that he was. leaving the UFC because I wanted to see. that fight but also very happy that he's. going to get this giant payday I don't. know how much money they say he's gonna. make are they saying I don't think the.

only thing I've seen is because uh sorry. Tyson sign that other site or fight. against usyk that he's gonna make over. 100 million for both those but I haven't. seen yeah. so Tyson Fury so wild he decided he's. gonna book another fight like he's like. this fight's gonna be so easy I'm gonna. book another one a couple months later. wow talk about a cocky champion huh hey. man that's the Gypsy King you know it's. his prerogative he's the [ __ ] King. 100% man that's that's also a fight that. I really really wanted to see theic. fight Sports illustrate say minimum of.

10 but that's you know yeah not sure how. accur that is is that saying that it's. the bigger payout than the entire purses. that he's totaled from. UFC click on the link Illustrated. receive. entire entire UFC career for Tyson Fury. boxing match makes sense for him you can. see you can see that yeah he's such you. know Jon Jones to me is such a. fascinating character cuz when I watch. your interview with him and he talked. about Contrition and wanting to be a. better man I'm like I believed him every.

second of the way and then you look at. his behavior afterwards and he's still. just as wild just as crazy you don't get. a guy who's that good without him being. a wild [ __ ] like John's wild. he's wild inside the ring he's wild in. his belief in himself he's a wild fell I. mean that dude opened up his fight. against Mauricio shogan haua with a. flying knee at 22 years old against a. legend catches him with a flying knee. just beats the breaks off of a legend at.

22 years old and wins the title he's a. extraordinary Talent just. extraordinarily good comes from a a. those whole family super athletes both. of both of his brothers play in the NFL. they're both Killers it's just like that. guy is the man you know and that fight. against him him against Francis him. coming up from light heavyweight and. Francis being this enormous like. terrifying Force at heavyweight who.

[ __ ] knows what happens man I would. so love to see that fight I hope it. happens man I really really do I hope. it's not one of those things where we. always go we missed that one do you know. what would be and boxing is really bad. for this and this part is what Mak made. me fall out of love of boxing for a bit. which is when the fight does happen. they're both pass their Peak they're not. the same Fighters do you know what I. mean eventually I don't want it to be. that either right like Manny Pacquiao. when he fought Floyd yeah to me that was.

one of the biggest disappointments in. sport unfortunately Manny went into that. fight injured yeah Manny had a torn. shoulder uh going up to that fight. unfortunately but Floyd was very clever. and when he chose that fight he chose. that fight after Manny got knocked out. by Juan M Marquez you know that one. punch crazy knockout where it was really. bad where Freddy roach said I don't want. you to do anything for a year like no. fighting for a year it's like you got to. recover from this one remember that. knockout I don't actually what Google.

Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out Manny. Pacquiao because they had fought some. really close fights and I. think I think Manny won them I don't. know what was one a draw I don't forget. I forget what the previous fights were. but I think this was the third fight and. Manny. Pacquiao got clipped right here watch. this the perfect right. hand oh and he's coming in as well right. as he gets hit perfect timing perfect.

one punch KO out. cold and this was the end I think this. was the end of their Trilogy oh it's. four this is the fourth fight they had. oh oh my God I mean that is literally. the perfect punch and man he just went. out cold with one shot and did you. listen to Freddy roach did he take a. year yes he did he did yes he did I. think gave him a little as a knockout. like that is so bad like you have to. that's a one punch completely. unconscious massive.

concussion and that's a massive knockout. that's a rare knockout at that level you. know when you're watching guys that are. that good get you know there's there's. some fights in the past you could see a. guy getting knocked out with one punch. like that Tommy Hearns versus Roberto. Durant that's one like that yeah where. Tommy Hearns had Roberto Durant in. trouble and then clipped him with the. perfect right hand Roberto Durant face. plants and when you watch Roberto Durant. face plant it's like what it's hard to. believe the guy who beat chugay Leonard. like one of the greatest boxers of all.

time and Tommy just catches him with a. perfect right hand. boom that's the thing with those with. those guys man the power they unleash. one of my uh my dad used to uh drink. with a guy called Alam Minter who was a. former middleweight champion of the. world British guy and he fought and this. was in the late 70s early 80s I think he. fought fought he was world champion he. fought Haggler and he told my dad he. goes you have never when he when he hit. me I've never felt anything like that. Hagar was a Monster yeah he was a. destroyer yeah he really was he was like.

one of the first really Elite Fighters. that fought so well from both stances. whether it's Southpaw or Orthodox he. could fight you from either stance yeah. he could you know and he he [ __ ] guys. up like that because he switched stances. and be just as good so you're looking at. two different looks like the jab coming. from the right hand the jab coming from. the left hand you have to just and maybe. you only stand one way and he can he can. [ __ ] switch it up anytime he wants. he's Unstoppable and he only got knocked. down one time in his whole career and it. was [ __ ] he got knocked down by Juan. ran it wasn't real knockout knockdown.

rather they called it a knockdown but he. really just got knocked off balance and. they called it a knockdown he he fell. down he got clubbed in the back of the. head and he went down and his gloves. touched the ground they called it a. knockout and knock down rather and he. got up he's like what the [ __ ] and he. went out to knock out roll down but. speaking of British guys Joe uh Patty. the baty versus Tony Ferguson yeah it's. good it's a good fight in terms of like. you know Tony Ferguson's been on uh an. unsuccessful streak and Patty the bad he.

had that controversial fight with Jared. Gordon it's a good fight it's a good. fight for for both guys because like you. know Patty's the guy coming up and Tony. is the legend and so it's a real. Crossroads fight and for Tony it may. very well be his last fight in the uufc. if he loses it's that's that's you know. fair to speculate a lot of people have. been calling for him to step down to. stop fighting yeah his last few fights. haven't gone that well well it was. really started out with him hurting his. knee yeah you know and then he came back.

after that and beat Pettis which was. pretty extraordinary but then when he. had that gatei fight the gatei fight was. rough that was rough painful to watch as. well and I love Tony Focus I think he. the fact that khabib never happened that. was that was such a bummer that was one. of the all-time bummers when he tore his. knee backstage just tripping on a. wire just [ __ ] some. unforeseen accident guy gets through an. entire training camp no problems trips. on a [ __ ] wire and rips his knee.

crazy needs surgery just nuts but in. terms of Badd do you think you bet on. the young guy coming up oh who knows Man. Tony still has a lot in the tank he. looked good you know in his last fight. against uh it's against Bobby green. Bobby Green's just so fast such a good. strike or so. unorthodox you know I think Tony still. has something left you know whether he's. got enough to beat a guy like that. that's what makes it exciting because. it's it's a good challenge for Patty. it's a good fight for Tony in terms of.

you know where he stands because you. know Patty hasn't fought like the elite. of the elite that division yet you know. the gamrs the you know the these guys. that are you know challenging soon for a. world title because there's a few of. these guys out there that are just like. super high level guys and Patty is like. you know he's making his way up towards. those guys and this is a big step well. phys if that what happened against gam. was so disappointing such a bummer man. because FIV is so good he's such a good.

Striker that's that was one of the most. impressive Justin gatei performances. that he outstruck phiv you know that was. that was a really impressive performance. and then the DUS the Dustin poier fight. was incredible yeah the fact that. happened in Salt Lake City and it's a. mere image of the Leon Edwards kamaro. Usman knockout out in Salt Lake City. crazy head kick Knockouts in the world. title just that Leon Edwards fight was. so crazy I I almost turned it off. towards the end because I was like this. is over you know yeah the greatest call.

in the history of sports John anik says. that is not the cloth from which he is. cut and then boom he lands that head. kick because they were talking about him. like phoning it in from now just just. trying to survive and accepting his. defeat John anx says that and then he. lands a perfect head kick right. afterwards bananas he doesn't really get. the credit that he deserves Leon oh Leon. Edwards yeah no Leon Edwards is I think. he's getting it now I think the Camaro. Usman rematch just showed you know that. Camaro you know was very cautious about.

engaging it like a a different fight. than the first fight also his takedown. defenses on point is getting way better. at grappling which showed in the first. um kamaro Usman fight because he took. kamaro down which is CRA nobody saw that. coming they mounted him everybody's like. whoa this is crazy this is the first. round of this fight Leon's good man he's. so technical his striking is so smooth. like him hitting the pads he's like one. of the most impressive guys I've ever. seen hit the pads his flow like between. elbows punches and kicks is just.

everything is perfect technique snap. snap snap snap snap snap it's beautiful. to watch and you had that with takedown. defense and and experience and now the. confidence that comes of being a. champion he's [ __ ] good how much does. that change things because I think in a. lot of things confidence and the. knowledge that you've achieved something. changes everything well they're all very. skillful at that level and everybody has. a strong mind at that level but you know.

like being a champion is there's a aura. that comes from the Champions that you. have to overcome like when people fought. khabib they weren't just fighting the. champion they weren't just fighting. khabib NAD off and his skills they were. fighting this [ __ ] force that they. knew they were going to face that nobody. has been able to no one's been able to. do anything to him except glaz and tbal. that was a very close fight but other. than that like he's steamrolling. everybody he's [ __ ] everybody up and. you know it and you know it and you're. you're facing this guy's undefeated and.

he just seems to be getting better with. every fight there's there's an aura of. those guys that you have to overcome as. well as beating them you have to. overcome this Aura and everybody thinks. you have no chance and you're going into. this [ __ ] Battleground with this guy. who's like the most feared warrior in. your division guy's been able to. dominate The Division like see you have. to overcome that and Leon is now. becoming that he's become you know when. he beat kamaro the second time. everybody's like oh boy okay and then if.

he can beat Ki. Covington that's a big one that's an. exciting fight that's a big one that's a. big one cuz kobby puts that [ __ ]. pressure on you he's got an empty I mean. an endless gas tank endless gas he's. like an energizing bunny just doesn't. stop cardio so good is wrestling so good. he's just constant and he just stays in. your face he just drains you he just. drains people Camaro's been the only guy. that's been able to figure that out yeah. there's some people have got an aura. about them the that it's undeniable and.

and whatever sport it is that the moment. they step onto the field or into the. ring there's just something about them. that is undeniable yeah and you just go. I don't know even if you don't know who. the person is you imag you immediately. drawn to them yeah well that's also one. of the things that's exciting about the. sport is that there there are those. people that just get to this spot where. they just rise above to the point where. like you know like you can't wait to. watch like volkanovski can't wait to. watch him perform again like damn he's.

he's on it right now yeah that guy's on. it you know Anderson Silva when he was. in his prime was like that Jon Jones. when he was the light heavyweight. champion was like that you know it's. like damn this guy's on it like he's in. that zone where like the greatness lies. you know it's not just being the best in. the world but handily defeating anybody. who dares challenge him yeah when we had. Dan hard on we asked him what it was. like to go into the fight against George. S Pierre and I think he said something.

like he kind of I don't remember exactly. what he said but he kind of hinted that. you know you're aware of the fact that. this guy's you know at that level yeah. yeah yeah man it's crazy sport man it's. the most Primal all sports want to talk. about the need for wild people that's. the only way you get a sport like that. yeah. wild people man well you know what I. think in some ways the rise of the UFC. obviously you know Dana Wyatt and his. team have done a great job and it's a. fascinating sport but I think partly. it's like as the culture gets pussified. people are crying out for something wild.

like that and they want to watch that. yeah you know in in a world that's. getting softer and less resilient as we. talked about earlier you want to see. that [ __ ] yeah there's that that's why. people like fights in hockey people like. why people like watching rugby and. football yeah they they still like a. little chaos some some aggressive energy. yeah they like men being men they're. like men going to war it's why like you. know when you watch a New Zealand rugby. team they're all blacks they do the.

hacker before they play It's the war. dance so scary yeah the AA is so awesome. I love it it's so awesome yeah yeah I. wonder you know what this means for our. our our society you know like the fact. that these two things are happening at. the same same time that there is this. this blowback where people do still want. to watch wild crazy things they still. want to hear wild crazy things and then. there's this push towards a neutering of.

of masculine energy in the term toxic. male energy and you know this idea that. anything masculine is inherently. negative and it's so crazy man it's so. dangerous because if you're telling. young boys that they are inherently EV. Vil and wrong and dangerous then you're. essentially alienating a very dangerous. section of Society number one and number. two somebody's going to step in and go.

hey you know what they think you're bad. right so why don't we yeah do some. [ __ ] damage and Jordan Jordan coming. along was a healthy version of a. response right saying to men be. responsible take accountability go and. create things go and be the strongest. man at your father's funeral all that. that was healthy now we're also getting. a lot of the less healthy responses as. well in terms of you know people who are. becoming big in that space I feel well. you're always going to get people you. know people don't feel represented y y.

That's when when when you you're saying. that everything that they like and. everything that they are is just. negative no matter what they don't feel. represented when someone comes along and. challenges that even if that person's a. grifter you you latch on to that yeah. because when you make certain arguments. beyond the pale and those arguments have. Merit and value and but you're not. allowed to say those arguments anymore. it gives them an appeal it gives him an. appeal number one and number two you are. going to get someone from outside the. mainstream coming along and going yeah.

they're talking nonsense to you and. here's the truth and it is true and. that's magnetic I wonder what's going to. happen with this you know there's. clearly when you see what's going on. with Canada with the podcast thing where. they're trying to get people to register. their podcast I think there's a crazy. fine too for violating it was it I think. the fine might be something crazy like. $250,000 or something like that it's. like a very high fine see what the fine. is for violating the rules but when you.

you get stuff like. that when you it's I I wonder what's. going to Prevail what is going to. Prevail is free discourse and Free. Speech going to Prevail or are we going. to go full commi are we going to go full. censorship because if we do if we cross. a line where you really can silence. people you C if we cross a line where. you can use dirty tricks and tactics to. eliminate anybody that doesn't think the. way you think and whether it's through.

censoring them on social media or you. know with their intelligence agencies. step in and tell you to remove posts. because they you know they go against. the narrative that the the the. government is trying to push like that. is [ __ ] scary well I think the thing. you hid the nail in the head Francis. earlier when you were talking about how. they're changing the concept of safety. that's what we have to push back against. because there's this idea if you hear. opinions you don't like of people are. talking in a way that you don't like. that makes you unsafe right and we have. to say that is [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah.

that's [ __ ] [ __ ] we have to say. that yeah and that's that's to me. because all they do is they redefine the. word and then they weaponize it against. you yeah they say the words are violence. and of course you're against violence. right right yeah violence is bad no no. one's supporting violence but yeah but. here's the thing you can only make the. argument that words are violence if. you've never been punched in the face. right right A lot of people have and a. lot of people could benefit from that. well my fear is that a real war breaks. out that's my fear my fear is that we.

are beating the drums of a real war a. real war involving superpowers and a. real war involing involving technology. beyond our comprehension including. Hypersonic missiles they can change. direction in air and you can't track. them you don't know where they're going. you know you can't do anything to shoot. them out of the sky they're just moving. too fast and they hit cities boom boom. boom and then we're [ __ ] you know and. then you're I mean I don't even know if.

it helps to have masculine men then I. don't know if it help what helps if you. can get to a point where you can. debilitate a company a country's. infrastructure kill their power grid you. know remove them from the internet. remove their ability to communicate with. each other that's not that. I mean that's totally believable that's. not an impossible scenario where precise. strikes even if they just decided not to. kill everybody they just decided to. destroy the power grid and destroy the. infrastructure and kill the internet and.

kill the pipelines mean look what they. did with the nordstream pipeline right. what if they decide to do that with all. kinds of gas and oil pipelines what if. they decide to do that and you know shut. down power plants and shut I mean and do. so in a way that we're left powerless we. have nothing what are we going to do. going to rise up against who like they. literally starve you out like it'll shut. down the infrastructure of the country. what how would the country work if. there's no power you know I mean how.

long do we have if if every the whole. the country if the the whole grid gets. wiped out like let's just imagine an. attack even it's just some sort of a. very complicated Cyber attack that wipes. out the whole. grid how long can we survive with no. power you know it's the Grid's very. vulnerable Texas almost lost its grid. here because it got too cold we came. that close didn't that close to because. we're independent from the rest of the. country in terms of the grid if the. Texas grid it was like they were very.

close to like losing everything yeah. it's like how many people die then it's. [ __ ] freezing cold no one has a. fireplace anymore yeah how many they. don't even let you build a house with. like a real wood fireplace in a lot of. places I know in California you can't so. if it's cold you're [ __ ] like you're. going to freeze to death people were. freezing to death like that can happen. the power goes out and you [ __ ]. freeze to death that's a reality of life. in 2023 you know and it's also as well.

you know we we've all become deskilled. as a population you know we're so you. know we're we're we're so dependent on. this technology like think if you went. TR time traveling right and you went. back a thousand years and people go to. you what's going on and you'd be like. we've got all this amazing stuff we do. this oh yeah how how does it work I'd be. like I don't know I just switch it on. and it works right yeah I just do a. podcast yeah if you left me if you left. me alone in an island with all the books.

that have ever been written for a. million years I'd never figure out how. to make the internet right yeah you know. yeah who what you GNA do what 5G what. does that mean satellites what the [ __ ]. are you talking about yeah I have to fly. a metal piece high enough in the sky. that it's weightless and it just spins. around the Earth. what and we all take this stuff for. granted as well we're all like oh yeah. this is just normal this is entirely. normal and this is just our society and. this is how what I was born into and. this is always going to be this way it's.

like we're victims of our own success. right because we've built these amazing. things and they're good things to have. right having a power grid is good but. we've got to also be smart and one of. the things we're finally starting to. realize at least in the UK where we went. super crazy on this Net Zero stuff is. you have to produce your own energy you. have to have control of that otherwise. where are you buying it from who are you. buying it from and what are they going. to do to use the fact that you're buying. the energy from them against you yeah. and it's there's so many problems.

there's so many problems with just the. way human beings acquire minerals that. need to go into cell phones the this is. the the Cobalt problem like the fact. that everybody's phone has this element. in it that comes from people literally. digging out of the ground and mines that. are working in like the most horrible. conditions imaginable and this has been. documented and lithium too y lithium too. I mean a lot of the lithium that. actually we need is in eastern Ukraine.

it's one of the reasons that [ __ ] is. going on I think it was going to be the. second biggest producer of lithium in. the world after China you sound like. conspiracy. theorist you need just just tune in to. CNBC and shut your brain off yeah man. yeah uh but yeah we the the net Z stuff. actually scares me because it's well. climate change is is kind of a cult in. and of itself yeah you know because. that's also a thing where people aren't. willing to listen at all to people with. opposing viewpoints and that if you do.

you are now a climate denier just like. how if you were kind of like hey what's. going on with these mRNA vaccines oh. you're antiva like oh what what happened. there how did you sneak that in like. what are you saying like if you are. curious about whether or not all this. stuff that you're off offering up as a. solution is actually willing is that is. that actually going to be effective if. everybody stops eating meat how much. does that change and what are you going. to do about China and India and then. their output and what how how much CO2. is actually in the atmosphere and how.

much do you need in the atmosphere isn't. there a certain amount you need what. percentage are we above what we used to. be it turns out it's like it's like. 0.4 is what we are now and we used to be. 03 and at 02 plant life starts to die. because there's not enough carbon. dioxide it's like what percentage of of. that is human beings that's a good. question and what percentage of it is. the rest of the world and what. percentage of it are we going to save by.

ruining everything here in the Western. World right well so in the UK we have. this Obsession about Net Zero and I'm. like okay let's get our emissions down. to zero let's say Britain produces no. carbon emissions at all and the ones. that we Outsource abroad that's 2% of. global carbon emissions you just fu our. country to make no difference whatsoever. to the problem well the big the big. polluter or the big contributor to the. biggest by far is China and India yeah. they're the two biggest and if they're. going to keep doing it which they are.

which they are it seems like what we. need to do I mean this sounds very. simple from a [ __ ] like myself but is. invade India and China they need to. figure out Technologies to uh clean the. air and that doesn't seem impossible in. fact there was there was some talk of a. giant skyscraper that acted as an air. air filter and that they were going to. install remember those Jamie yeah see if. you can find that there's talk of. construction it might have been in China. where they were going to build these. essentially skyscrapers that were really.

just giant air filters and that instead. of a skyscraper that it housed you know. Office Buildings or people it actually. housed equipment that just sucked. pollution out of the air and filtered it. and you're like maybe that would maybe. that's it maybe that would work maybe. you could actually capture there it is. the skyscraper sized air purifier is the. world's tallest wow so what if they just. had those on every block or had those. you know every you know x amount of.

blocks where they figured out a way to. clean the air okay it can reduce. pollution in a major metropolitan areas. by 20% for example if if we can not oh. sorry sorry sorry I like to tell my. students we don't need to be medical. doctors to save lives uh Dr David puy. professor of mechanical engering the. University of Minnesota and one of the. re one of the researchers so if they. could just reduce air pollution by 20%. for example we could save tens of. thousands of lives a year okay yeah so. this seems like it's about air pollution. but your point about China and India Joe.

is so right because I was talking to an. Indian dude and he he told me that the. time of partition this is 1947 when. India became independent average life. expectancy in India Jamie fact check me. if you could please but I think it was. 37 years right fast forward to today. it's over 80 you think those people are. going to give up burning [ __ ] to to live. longer you think they're going to do. that cuz I don't think they will I don't. think the Chinese are going to stop. making stuff and producing stuff and. burning stuff I don't think the people. have a say over there in China that's.

true particularly that's a big part of. it right like there's not going to be. some movement against the government. same I check both have a net zero plan. yeah to reach net zero emissions by. 20160 the report estimates China needs. between us 14 to 17 trillion in addition. to in Investments for green. infrastructure and technology in the. power and transport sectors alone it. seems like quite a lot of money to me. yeah yeah okay so say J XI jingping said. uh since September of 2020 when China's.

president XI jingping made the pledge to. reach Net Zero by 2060 the country's. ministers and locals have been mobilized. to devise decarbonization road maps for. their jurisdictions maybe they can do. that maybe they can I mean maybe there's. technologies that either haven't been. implemented or just theoretical where. they can figure out a way to clean it up. without destroying their economy you. know and that might be possible I don't. know but it's certain that human beings. are having an effect I mean like.

specifically with pollution and not just. that not just the air we certainly. should be looking at carbon dioxide and. certainly should be looking at humans. impact we also should be looking at what. the [ __ ] we're doing to the ocean we're. killing the ocean we're filling it up. with garbage and literally killing most. of the species we were we were just. talking about the other day that there's. they don't really know what the real. numbers are but they think it's. estimated that we've killed somewhere in. the neighborhood of like 80 to 90% of. the fish yeah I what we're just scooping. fish out and killing everything.

and giant [ __ ] countrysize floating. garbage Islands you know like what I. mean the the the island in the Pacific. Garbage Patch is bigger than Texas Texas. is bigger than multiple European. countries and that patch of garbage is. bigger than that yeah you know the thing. that I find really really demoralizing. about this debate is the fact that the. complete lack of critical thinking. skills people on the left therefore they. think this people on the right they. think this I know I'm not going to. mention this person's name they came on.

your pod and they were like well I think. you know it's it doesn't exist climate. change and that person thought that way. I think a lot of it is because they're. on the right you know so they see the. way the tribe moves they move with the. tribe instead of actually taking every. issue looking at it themselves doing the. reading doing the work and then going. well this is what I think regardless of. this tribe or that tribe yeah yeah you. if you're on the left you think climate. change is imperative if you're on the. right you're probably more dismissive of. it you know certainly we should really.

look at Nuclear Power Nuclear Power. seems to be the cleanest way to do this. and it's safe in relative it's safe it's. uh I I always make this joke it's. not well you say that but actually if. you look at the casualties from nuclear. disasters there there's only been three. major ones right right Long Island uh 3. Mile Island uh choby and Fukushima if. you look at the the stats and you add it. all up it nuclear energy is safer than. Hydro the one damn collapse in China. killed way more people than all the.

nuclear disasters put together yeah the. the real issue though is it ruins that. area forever so like no one's moving. into Chernobyl no one's fukushima's. [ __ ] yeah like that place is [ __ ]. like when when they do go south they go. bad to the point where a friend of mine. who's brilliant guy says he won't eat. fish from the Pacific anymore and I said. why and he said Fukushima he goes I. don't think they're they're testing for. it I don't think they're they're testing. for radiation poisoning I don't think I. don't think they've measured it he goes. he goes what if you know what if it's a.

lot worse than we think it is and we. find this out 10 15 years from now he. goes maybe I'm wrong he goes I just. don't want to take a chance so I don't. eat fish from the Pacific I'm like Jesus. I never thought of that is a fat Point. yeah I don't know if it is I mean is. that ridiculous I mean how much of an. impact does Fukushima have on the the. entire mass of the Pacific Ocean which I. mean your fair point about you can't. live in that area for for a very very. very long time yeah that's a fair point. yeah I mean hundreds of thousands of. years right those areas are ruined but.

the thing is they can mitigate that now. and they can figure out a way to have. nuclear power plants with better fail. safe than they had in Fukushima. Fukushima they had like a backup and. that got crushed too and then they're. [ __ ] because they can't shut it off. and then now you have this reactor that. you can't shut down and it's just chaos. I mean in Chernobyl they had to work. really hard to make that thing blow up. it was like incompetence and all sorts. of other Dynamics going on there it was. pretty [ __ ] up it's wild Nows there's. things living there it's like who knows. what kind of crazy. mutations Godzilla type [ __ ] is going on.

there do you know there's a there's an. animal sanctuary uh area in the red. forest and it's one of the safest areas. for wildlife in the world CU there's no. humans there wow but has anybody. measured the effects of radiation on. those animals uh I well I mean some of. them are getting affected obviously but. they're not getting shot by humans is. the point right but what if they're. developing like. telepathy you know in comic books. radiation always leads to awesome things. that's how you become Spider-Man exactly.

you know that's how you become the Hulk. or the X-Men yeah maybe that's China. maybe that's Russia's maybe that's the. the next stage of the war. odd oh yeah all the problems in comic. books like with radiation it's all like. someone becomes a superhero now they. have these powers and they have well I. guess I have to save the. world but in real life you're just. [ __ ] yeah maybe that's what we need to. solve our problems is the spider. squirrel from chobble J yeah maybe we. need. aliens maybe that's what we need maybe.

they need to come down and go settle the. [ __ ] down yeah there maybe we just need. beings who are just way smarter than us. just to go you are a bunch of. incompetent gimps shut up and I will. deal with it what do you think about all. this UAP stuff when you see this I mean. don't like that they changed it from UFO. to UAP that's annoying CU I know what. you're doing just coming up with new. clever ways to make it less ridiculous. to the world but what do you think about. all this disclosure stuff the thing that. makes me skeptical is UFO sightings are.

so disproportionately in North. America we're. enthusiasts you guys love a conspiracy. theory love a UFO yeah yeah yeah you. know what I mean yeah and it's never in. New York either you know what I mean. there's a few. yeah yeah it happens in New York yeah. there's been but also people lie you. know like that's a problem you know it's. like the amount of like really good. footage is this the the compelling stuff. is the stuff the fighter jets capture. that's compelling like the Tic Tac.

footage that's compelling you know when. they talk about the the amount of. GeForce that would be involved and. something moving in that way like most. things that we have would just fall. apart like this what is moving that. quickly is the is the all of the sensors. are all those accurate are all those. detection systems and all the radar and. tracking is all that accurate because if. it is accurate like what the [ __ ] can. move that quick like explain that what. is that and if that's ours.

like like if they've managed to hide. some sort of super sophisticated. propulsion system that's beyond our. comprehension like Beyond nothing you. could imagine and then they been working. on this for decades and that that's what. all this UFO talking they you mean the. government the government yeah some. Black Ops program some special top. secret [ __ ] where they in the middle of. the desert they figure out a propulsion. system that works on gravity but could.

they keep that secret for that long. that's the thing man you know because. it's it's it's easy to go down this. route and go the government are keeping. things secret and of course the. government do and of course they. coverups but if there's one thing I can. know from the British government it's. just that they can never cover anything. up you know what I mean they that. incompetent yeah right but that's the. legislators and the Senate the Congress. what about the [ __ ] people that are. involved in the highest levels of the. military I bet they keep a lot of good. Secrets I bet they're real good at it.

especially people that are working with. defense contractors like if they really. did receive a crashed UFO and they were. back engineering it it would be a. national security imperative for us to. get that first if there's some craft. that came here from Alpha santui and. they managed to get a hold of it and. they're trying to figure out how that. thing works you better shut the [ __ ] up. until we figure this out and I think. that would be like if you were a patriot. and you were working for the government. you would you would keep your [ __ ]. mouth shut if that was your job also.

they're W they're looking at every email. you send every text message you send. they probably got your house bugged if. you talk about it they're going to know. yeah you know I think it's possible to. keep secrets as much as people want to. think that it's not but I don't know I. don't know what the [ __ ] is going on and. um Parton me is like they're talking. about it too much you know part of me is. like show me something show me something. like I don't want to go all this talk. like even David grush he never saw. anything he just uncovered programs that.

he found who knows who gave him that. information who I mean if I wanted to. [ __ ] put out some disinformation I. would encourage someone to be a. whistleblower that's what I would do I. would I would tell them some nonsense. and encourage them to tell everybody. else and then it discredits the whole. thing yeah it makes the whole thing look. Preposterous or it also can cover up. this other thing that you have going on. you say oh these are offworld crafts. can't be ours meanwhile it is ours like. one of the things that's happening. that's weird is they're always in these. areas where the military operates M like. off off the coast the East Coast where.

um um they've seen those things is it. like a cube inside a circle is that what. it is it's either a cube inside a circle. or a circle inside a cube but they they. keep seeing these things that can hover. at 120 knots completely still move off. faster than the eye can see and this is. something that Ryan Graves experienced. he didn't experienc it he experienced it. on a sensors they upgraded their sensors. in I think it was 2014 and almost. immediately they started spotting these.

things that just violated everything. that they knew about like the way. objects could move and behave what do. you make of this argument I can't. remember who's made it but it's the idea. that if we were to encounter an alien. species if they reached here they would. be so technologically advanced that they. could do whatever the [ __ ] they wanted. by basically maybe or maybe there's like. levels like we are at right maybe. there's like if we are going to. eventually travel to other planets and. establish a civilization other planets. or visit other planets how long is that.

when's that going to be is that a 100. years from now is it 50 maybe that's. where they are maybe there's some that. are a thousand years more advanced maybe. there's some that are millions of year. maybe some of them live in a solar. system that's much more stable and it. doesn't have the problem that we have. with asteroids Maybe there's you know. less collisions in they're so they're. allowed to reach this technological. level of sophistication that's evolving. over millions of years and they're like. Gods they're they're we can't even.

fathom the kind of technolog they have. available well we would imagine that if. we keep going we're going to hit that. but is maybe as well they don't have the. capacity for self-destruction that the. human being does right maybe they've. engineered that out maybe that's part of. the feminization of of males Maybe part. of the for real that's maybe that's part. of all this like gender chaos maybe. that's part of the microplastics that. are endocrine disruptors that are. [ __ ] pesticides and all sorts of. other things that are [ __ ] with. people's reproductive systems maybe it's.

like a natural gradual change that the. species must take in order to evolve to. the next stage that it has to like. sacrifice it's lust and anger and fury. and all these chimpanzee instincts that. are really associated with dominant male. hormones and and primate behavior that. we we see in the jungle yeah but can we. operate as a as a as a species without. those I would argue that we can't can.

president AI when President AI is. elected Joe's telling you who to vote. for everybody president AI takes over. our benevolent overlord it'll make. people eat credit cards every day so. that your body will develop more. microplastics and Shrink your testies. yeah I don't know you know I I wonder I. wonder what's happening you know I think. it's happening very quickly and it's. hard because we're in the storm we're in. the middle of storm washing it but if. you look at the amount of change that's. taken place in human culture just over.

the past 20 30 years it's kind of. unprecedented since the the emergence of. the internet there's been never been. anything like this yeah it's it it feels. like we're living in a culture which has. hit the fast forward button and is out. of control like we're on the roller. coaster ride we used to be going like. this click click click click click click. click click click now we're going like. this. yeah and you know I don't know where it. goes and I think part of it is the the. we got to fix the outrage machine that.

we've got which is Corporate media. social media the way we communicate. about things about ideas yeah this is. why I have hope for New Media it's we. don't always get things right of course. but it's an opportunity to change the. conversation to have more of this this. to have more long form stuff to to to. pursue the truth um whereas right now. the incentives and Francis said earlier. it's a phrase I repeat all the time. human beings respond to incentives and. right now being outraged and being.

outrageous is what's rewarded and being. calm being sensible being reasonable. listening to other people that isn't the. thing that we've been doing for the last. 20 30 years we've been doing the. opposite of that and I think we have to. find a way to change the incentive. structure of the internet whereby we're. not incentivized to be our worst selves. we've got to do that if we don't do that. we're going to destroy ourselves long. before any [ __ ] aliens get here man. and that's my worry man to go back to. your metaphor about the roller coaster. we are on the but I'm going to be honest.

with you mate I'm looking down I'm like. is there a. track no there's never we've never. experienced this before right as far as. we know the human race has never. experienced anything like this before. this connectedness. strange but every informational. Revolution I mean people have always. talked about this example of the. printing press right right you have. solely the church that controls all. information most people are literate and. then you get the printing press and you. start spreading information to more.

people and there's more perspectives and. then you get two centuries of religious. warfare that's you also get books about. witches do you know that was one of the. first uh things that people did when. they started using the printing press. you think oh they're writing all these. great books about philosophy and psych. nope nope how to spot a witch. y something that we can all get behind. man and in it corrent is our worst. instincts and we'll be like you know. what all the problems in the society. it's their fault yeah y there's a lot of.

winch hutting going on right now man. there's a lot of witch I mean JK Rowling. is a witch like how did that happen you. know what I mean like she was this most. Progressive Lefty person says one thing. about trans boom she's a Nazi yeah how. did that happen I don't know it's the. wild west out there right now and. everyone just [ __ ] went along with it. like the mainstream media went along. with it controversial author what you. know I I know Hitler never went you know. I'm going to take over the world I'm. going to write some beloved children's.

books yeah it's uh someone violating the. Orthodoxy yeah yeah you know and there. was part of me who thought okay now. she's come out we're going to have a. modicum of Sanity that's what I. genuinely thought when I was naive and. more stupid look we should say we are. actually making progress in the UK on. that issue we really are on the trans. issue we're making progress you guys. have shut down all those uh we shut down. the clinic and the the the rules and. laws are starting to change and we're. starting to be sensible so maybe the.

great hope is we kind of overreached and. now we're reigning it back in a little. bit it's not the case here from what I. can tell doesn't seem to be the case. here at all no I mean it's coming. straight from the White House yeah man. yeah yeah that's terrifying man that's. you know it's so interesting like now. that our show has become bigger and. people recognize us I get a lot of. especially gay people coming up to me to. talk to me to thank me to thank me and. us for what we do this this young lady. came up to me she was like she was. American she must be in her like sort of.

mid to late 20s and she was like you. know if I was born 10 years younger and. you know she's a a gay woman she goes I. would have been screaming the house down. at my parents I would have been. demanding a double myectomy I would have. been demanding puberty blockers because. I was so miserable and distressed and. deeply unhappy at the fact that I was a. gay girl yeah yeah that's a lot of the. way a lot of gay people feel about this. whole movement that in some ways it's. kind of homophobic because it's saying.

you're not gay you're just the in the. wrong body yeah and so many of them are. artistic as well this is what we are not. taking into account quite often is uh. and we've had lots of people on the show. to talk about this a lot of these kids. are autistic a lot of these people. particularly the girls they would have. had anorexia or. before before that they would have had. something else it's just a way of people. showing distress about what it's like to. be a young woman it's not exactly a. great you know a great time to be a. young woman when it comes to body image. when it comes to the perception and the. reality of how men and women relate in.

our society and all of that right and a. lot of the young men they're what what's. happening is they're being praised for. this choice and there's there's social. credit to being you know identifying in. a different way yeah yeah and it's it's. it's really sad man it's because it. affects everything I was doing a gig a. few weeks ago and there was a comic on. the B an older gay guy and like you know. the classic look over the shoulder both. ways and he sat down started talking to. me and this is a guy who Partners.

experience the AIDS pandemic saw a lot. of his friends die uh his partner was. basically given a flat near to the. hospital because at that stage of the of. the in the ' 80s and the '90s it was. like look you've got this virus you're. going to die so have a have a flat near. to the hospital where you can get. treatment and then when you die at least. you'll be comfortable and he looked at. me and he was talking about everything. that was going on going to Pride marches. he was like it's a really bad time to be. gay he went I went to Manchester pride.

and this woman got up on stage uh and. she brought her six-year-old daughter. with her held her up to the crowd and. went this is my daughter she's a little. gay girl and the entire crowd cheered. and he and he went I was just said going. you're sexualizing your daughter what. what are you doing right you're seeing. your six-year-old attracted to women. yeah yeah and then and then people are. cheering and going this is great and. he's like no it's not you know Brett. said something to me when I had my son. he said congratulations your heart is.

now outside of your body. oo and that is to me the Great Hope on. some of these issues is like people's. love for their children is such a. powerful force and it can be a force for. good too and we've seen a lot of. feminists stand up on this stuff in the. UK and a lot of parents as well because. you know what it's like and you're a. father of girls right M like it's your. it's it's now many people's one of their. greatest nightmares about what could. happen to their children you know um so.

that and if your children get. indoctrinated into something like this. and make some change to their life that. is permanent and that people are. encouraging them to do that at pre. pre-teen yeah you know it's it's crazy. and it's something that we've always. known that children don't have the. ability to see the future yeah you don't. like that's why you don't allow them to. get tattooed that's why you know it's. like but with this they're like no no no. they. know yeah and it's and the fact that.

it's become so party political here is I. think why you're not making as much. progress in America on this issue. because it's like you're on the right. you're against you're on the left you're. forh why don't we just look at what is. medically correct what is good what is. bad what damages people helps people. let's take some [ __ ] time no people. don't even want to look at the side. effects of some of these medications. they're giving kids because it's too. painful J but they're sterilizing they. are ruining their bodies permanently it. reduces their life expectancy I mean.

Khloe Cole and there's lots of other D. transitioners you listen to their. testimony and the scary thing is the D. transitioners get attacked yeah they. they talk about their own personal. experiences and the regret of. transitioning and they get attacked yeah. because you know they somehow got. internalized transphobia now and it you. I just I really hope that we just wake. up from this that we wake up from this. and that's the thing that's great about. the UK is that we do have left-wing. politicians like Rosie Duffield who have.

come out and spoken about this honestly. and she is a hero she's an absolute hero. because she has been called all manner. of names by her own party she's been. attacked yet she has stood firm what a. hero well I hope people wake up here too. yeah what how do you think that happens. I guess just talking about it I guess. the discussion moving from being. Orthodoxy that you can't question to. people seeing detransitioners seeing. problems with that we know with children.

being malleable and easily influenced. and seeing people that might just be a. feminine man that might be gay and. you're turning them into a woman and. forcing them to get castrated. and yeah this idea that you know you're. not a man if you don't like you know you. know climbing trees and cutting down. logs and all all of this nonsense it's. just so backwards I thought we'd. overcome that I thought you could be a. feminine guy who loved writing poetry. and was more sensitive and that was.

great and that's just another type of. man yeah I used to. be maybe we'll be again maybe it will be. again yeah uh listen guys it's always. beautiful to talk to you I really. appreciate you guys apprciate. your show's awesome it's very good it. keeps getting better trigonometry you. can it's on YouTube get you guys get. dinged on YouTube at all um I don't. think we do at the moment no we get you. know occasional episode demonetized but. we're kind of used to it at this point.

you know no we're loving it uh we've got. as I said we've got new shows coming. with different people we're going to. expand and grow beautiful and spread. this message yeah um all right well. thank you for being here appreciate you. guys thanks for my pleasure all right. bye everybody. [Music].