Joe Rogan Experience #2037 - Alex Berenson

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day hello good to see you it's it's a. pleasure how you feeling out there you. you truth. Warrior. well I I keep waiting to be done with. this [ __ ] be done with nice to be done. right they will not let it go yeah it's. strange it's it's strange now because uh.

it's it's also strange what what bothers. me and I I try to emphasize this as much. as possible and I even had to do this. recently with some uh close family. friends you've got to take care of your. health you you have to take vitamins you. you have to eat right you have to if you. don't do that your body doesn't function. well that includes your immune system. includes everything includes you know. inflammation it causes a host of. diseases in your body you got to take. care of yourself and that that to be. should be the most important message.

that everyone's putting out not just. podcasters but the government Health. officials everyone should be saying that. you should really supplement with. vitamins you should really you know get. your nutrient levels checked if you can. e even if you can't do those things. though like you can eat decently you can. eat you can you can try to exercise. moderately look I know a lot of people. have you know complicated lives they. have kids they have work they got a you. know they don't have much time I get it. but like if you even even if you can. work out like a half hour a day three. days a week and not eat too much you're.

in better shape much better shape yeah. there's been some studies done recently. that something really crazy like 20 hour. 20 minutes of exercise like twice a week. improves your overall like all cause. mortality score yes just just a little. bit moderate stuff like nothing crazy. like do some push-ups and sit-ups and. some jumping jacks and you're good to go. just you have to do something that gets. your body moving or it doesn't think. that it has to and it atrophies it's. just a.

it's an unfortunate aspect of our. biology that we are not like other. animals you know like and other animals. get stronger too as the exercise but. we've all seen animals that are like. super muscular that don't do anything. it's just they're different you know and. they only live 13 years right yes the. whole thing's different yes with us. we're this longterm species with. intelligence and ego and justifications. and all sorts of weird ways that we will. procrastinate.

and justify bad behavior and unhealthy. choices and it's just a constant battle. just being a human being and no one wins. that battle you just win battles win. like daily B no no one wins the war. everyone dies in the end everyone dies. in the end but but I I do you know and I. I wrote about this on the subst were you. know we just talking before we started. about when I didn't I didn't see you but. when you were in Vegas in July and I was. in Vegas in July for for I was playing. poker that like you know gambling is and.

I'd like to gamble I I I don't have a. moral problem with it but gambling. destroys people too overeating destroys. people gambling destroys people G. destroys drugs destroy people we we as. human beings we've set up all these like. modern things to take advantage of our. dopamine and we're not really built for. it we're not and we're certainly not. built for phones you know so many people. are getting destroyed by social media. like their lives have become wrapped up. in arguing with people and I just think. that's super unhealthy yes there's some.

aspect of it that's very beneficial and. positive I think you get a lot of. information that you wouldn't have. gotten I think you get to see people's. perspectives that occasionally are very. inspiring and very unique and. interesting I I love listening or. reading things from other people that I. think have very good perspectives and. interesting perspectives it's a rare. opportunity to talk to people that you. wouldn't be able to run into if we lived. in the 1970s you'd have to cultivate. these interesting people like in the. physical person which is probably for.

you right but not available for most. people that's right and we tend to. imitate our atmospheres and you see that. in thought Bubbles and I think that's. another problem that we have with social. media and there's these thought Bubbles. and people just you know you just sort. of gravitate towards them you stay in. them and if you're busy you just sort of. get affirmation from that thought bubble. and you never think outside the box. yes look I don't know what we do about. social media I mean obviously my career.

I wouldn't well I guess I was on with. you one time before co uh you know talk. about cannabis but before you got kicked. off before I got kicked off Twitter. that's right and then got put back let's. talk about that because you came on for. your book that I've referenced many. times and it's called tell your children. and I think it's it's I think it's. important I think when we talk about. these things that uh some people like to. use recreationally like even gambling. like you talked about we have to be. aware that there's consequences.

to these things too there it's not an. even ride it's not like every person is. going to handle every situation well we. had a podcast yesterday with uh Kurt. Angle you know Olympic gold medalist and. wrestling and he was a WWE Champion. amazing guy and he had a real pill. problem and he had a pill problem. because he broke his neck like five. times and he like crazy he wrestled in. the Olympics with a broken neck broken. vertebrae in his neck and won wow I mean. just the freak of freaks.

um but so he can do that but but he he. got hooked he got hooked I mean this is. like a man whose mind is as strong as. any [ __ ] human has ever walked the. face of the Earth if you can win the. gold medal in the Olympics and wrestling. wrestling is one of the most competitive. grueling insane physical contests that. are in the Olympics it's like boxing and. wrestling are two of the craziest yes. Judo judo's pretty crazy but God those. guys are strong mentally and for that. that guy to get hooked on pills a guy.

like that imagine right because it's not. about how strong you are it's just if. you if they if they click with you in. some way you're going to have a problem. and I I also had Peter Berg on the. podcast who's brilliant and Peter who. did that film for Netflix this the. series it's out now painkiller he said. he tried an oxycotton once. recreationally and he was like oh my God. this is amazing I can never do this. again I'll never do this again but he.

got a mindset that can see that and go. oh I see where this is going right right. so so the pro look there's always been. this stuff and you know the legalizers. whether it's drug legalizers or people. who you know want more gambling they say. all they always say the same thing well. you can't really stop people from doing. it and so you got to make it safe for. them here here's the problem with that. here's the flip side of. that when you when you Legalize It Or. normalize it you wind up opening it to. people who other wise wouldn't do it and.

and let me let me go back to gambling. because I think it's a little bit less. emotionally charged for people once upon. a time if you wanted to gamble legally. you had to go to Las Vegas basically or. maybe Atlantic City after you know 1978. but basically you had to go out to the. desert and find that gambling and yeah. maybe and deal with the mob and deal. with the mob that's right or if you. wanted to no no if you wanted to bet. football like you could probably find a. bookie you could call a friend who. called a friend and you could but you. know it was going to be some guy who. might break your arm if you didn't pay. right okay so you could do it but it was.

discouraged and not that easy right now. we have gambling in like you know 23. States we have lotteries on every corner. and and just in the last five years we. have sports betting on your phone in in. many states so it couldn't be easier so. what does that mean it means it's going. to wreck people who would never it would. never have been available to before and. that that so that's just a function of. Freedom right well it's a okay freedom. would be go to Vegas and do it and we're.

not going to really judge you for it but. you got to go get it so make less. accessible that's right this is more. we're going to promote this because. because both private interest and the. state state governments make money from. it right well you could see it from. their perspective too they're like why. why should we give the revenue to Vegas. we can handle it here our residents. should be able to gamble here and what. there's a percentage whatever that. percentage is and I don't know if it's. genetic or if it's based on personal. experience in gambling that like maybe.

it's like oxycon like Peter Berg took. one but if he took like as many as Kurt. Angle did he would be physically hooked. too that's right maybe there could be. just you chasing bad money a couple of. times and next thing you know you're. doing it all the time I mean you you see. it okay you see the people who can't. stop who know who know they don't have. this money who know they're going to the. credit card Advance machine for the. fifth time you know that weekend they. can't stop so how do we balance that. with the freedom to be able to do it.

like how do we say that it has to be. Regional like how do we say that you can. go to Vegas it's totally legal but you. can't gamble in Michigan that's a fair. question I don't I don't have a good. answer to that so is the solution that. we just have to have more people. available for counseling and more. rehabilitation centers is that the. solution I don't really think that stuff. works very well to me I here's what I do. think I think putting it on people's. phones is a mistake I think putting it. in every you don't think gambling.

Rehabilitation works or any rehabil I. don't think Rehabilitation works as a. rule I think when people want to stop. they stop but you don't think that. support from other human beings that. have also gone through it can be. beneficial in making good decisions in. the future I think if I think for people. who want to stop that can be helpful to. them I don't think anybody who goes to. rehab unwillingly or even sing willingly. is going to get much out of it and and I.

know this is a controversial perspective. one of the things that so before Co just. before Co I was working on a sort of a. big book about bigger than the Cannabis. books but growing out of the Cannabis. book about drug legalization and and. sort of addiction in general and the. most disappointing thing that I found. when I was doing this research is that. when you try to do randomized Trials of. where you say that you you you take a. 100 people and you say 50 of them you're. going to get um you're going to go to AA.

the other 50 are not and you look at. their outcomes a year or 5 years later. there's no benefit to even going to AA. which I really thought worked the reason. AA seems to work is that people go to it. and stick with it like you say get. something out of it but there are going. to be a bunch of people who don't get. anything out of it who are like I don't. need you know I don't need to give my uh. you know volition to God this is a. problem I'm going to fix I don't like. the AA model and by the way why is you. know why do I have to sit in this room.

you know 3 hours a week so for for every. person who gets something out of it. there's somebody who doesn't get. anything out of it the truth is people. stop using drugs or stop gambling when. they personally realize that that it's. become a crisis for. them sometimes though people are. motivated by other people's feedback so. is there a point of no return or is it. it's got to be variable for different. people like I think for some people. rehab is probably very beneficial. especially because they get a chance to. talk to someone who made it out of it.

let me who was telling us about this. rehab guy that came in cracked out of. his mind oh was Brian. Simpson the guy he was like a counselor. or something like that and then one. night he just went off the wagon and. came back to work in the morning and. everyone's like hey are we supposed to. pretend that you're not cracked out of. your mind right now no but let me give. you but you you you laugh but the most. dangerous time for an addict is the. first two weeks after they come out of. rehab because they've stopped using.

their toleran is down and if they start. again that's when people odow and die. the most oh. Jesus it's not it's so then the argument. but then the argument against. legalization here's the problem and you. know I've talked about this ad naum if. you heard this I'm sorry when I was a. kid if someone was on heroin that was. [ __ ] super rare it was super rare you. would know that guy's off the deep end. like Johnny's out there in the woods. doing heroin like whoa like that guy's. gone but now to hear oh my uncle got.

hooked on pills is super normal right. it's super normal right and now because. of these documentaries we know like what. was the root cause of that but now once. it's kind of been established that this. is a recreational thing for. people so what do you do do you outlaw. and then what does that do that that. empowers the cartels because there's the. demand already well so so okay so the. roots of the opioid crisis are exactly. you know Peter Burke I mean you know.

that that that that series is completely. correct it came out of Purdue Pharma it. came out of unfortunately some doctors. some of whom I think thought they were. doing the right thing some of whom were. motivated by money they pushed. prescriptions of opioids in the US in an. absolutely insane way and we've now. tried to push back but we're still. dealing with the fruits of that poison. tree wasn't that done before in other. countries to kind of Ruin countries like. prod heroin yeah I mean the classic.

example and you know when people talk. about how the Chinese export fentanyl to. the United States I guarantee you there. are people in China who have not forgot. the Opium Wars in the 19th century the. US and Britain and this is something we. should be ashamed of forever we. basically forced opium on the Chinese. and we we destroyed that Society well. you and I weren't alive that's true so I. don't think we should be ashamed but I. think uh human beings in general have. done some really [ __ ] heinous things. we just want to pretend that they don't. do them anymore more you know oh no they.

do but isn't it interesting like it's. part of the push back of all this stuff. from people that are that have no stake. in the game other than they a human. being is that you're saying something. that shatters their narrative they have. they have a narrative that they've. established about what's good in the. world how the world what's the right. thing to do and the the direction we. have to go and these people are looking. out for us and these people are Nazis. and and when you have that something. comes along and says hey there there.

might be something a foot here you. should pay attention like there's some. data you should look at we have a long. history of people lying about all kinds. of things you know whether it's the. Opium War [ __ ] everything throughout. human history but for whatever it is. like now we don't hey that's not that's. oh this conspiracy theorist that's right. oh this guy who's this wacky guy with. his Fringe ideas he's an all right hero.

and like oh okay I get it I get it I. wish the world was perfect too I really. do I wish there was a guy in the white. house that was this amazing human being. and a shining example of what's possible. from just a a a person a a loving person. who wants to take care of a Nation. because they really believe in them but. this is like you've got me laughing it's. such [ __ ] but it's what we want and we. never get it we never get it it's like. [ __ ] it's it's Charlie Brown and Lucy.

that football just gets yanked away. every time and we're like. [ __ ] [ __ ] I I thought this was going to. be the adults were in the room [ __ ] you. know well look I mean Beware of the. person who you know who tells you what. to do because they know what's best for. you yeah that's a that's a normal thing. of human nature too it's a weir weird. thing about human nature we're always. led by someone it's it's very strange. because it's it seems to be a part of. just our programming that we. have we've kept since we were primates.

in like the jungles like there was. always a leader there's like if you ever. watch that chimp Nation show amazing. Show on Netflix these scientists were. embedded in this chimpanzee group for 30. years and so the chimpanzees had become. totally comfortable with human beings as. long as they were 20 yards away right so. they never moved any closer than 20. yards if the chimp moves close to them. they back away you never have food there. a bunch of rules about what to do and.

what not to do but if you follow those. rules these chimps behave as if they're. just chimps in the jungle so it's this. incredible opportunity to watch their. social hierarchies and it's just like. people there's a leader there's always a. leader there's always a leader and. there's young people that are. challenging the leader and the leader. has to beat them down and it gets to a. certain point in time where the leader. can't do that anymore and he has to. relinquish and it's all about the. relationships they develop while they're. leaders and those are the ones that can. go on the long that's the same thing. with human beings it's like godamn it.

it's literally our. programming and we've surpassed it in. our ability to communicate and our. ability to understand the variables and. the amount of variables but we still. operate chimp. hierarchy it's really crazy because if. you watch the that chimp Empire show and. you think of us like you oh my God this. is what our problem is we always want to. have a leader we always want to run. things we always want to tell other.

people we we get power out of telling. other people what to do some people just. get their jollies like you know that if. you have a bad boss and the the boss. like yells at all the people in the. warehouse like [ __ ] just wants to. humiliate and be in charge yes yes they. want to beat their chest and and run. through the [ __ ] trees and shake them. it it does sometimes feel like anybody. who wants power should not be allowed to. have it yeah right like and the only. people who should be president are. people don't want that job you know it's. like John Dutton and Yellowstone Z he. has to become governor you know it's.

like it's really like [ __ ] it's kind. of similar Jesus Christ but meanwhile. meanwhile the meanwhile the old chimps. now will not leave the stage bro not. just the I mean all of them all of them. these people are hanging in it's amazing. with like hormone replacement and. Aderall and whatever else they have to. take these folks can keep going deep. into their 80s except that Mitch. McConnell guy no no he's he's having. some real ones he's just going to fall. over he's having some real moments like.

that if that in any other job like. imagine if you're a train conductor and. you just freeze up Charlie Charlie the. crossroads is coming Charlie and. Charlie's just locked up like Windows. 98 like blue screen of that you got to. control all delete Charlie before this. [ __ ] train crashes but but you can do. it if you know you're a a high ranking. politician in the greatest country the. world's ever known it's very strange you.

know like Diane Feinstein doesn't want. to relinquish her her throne but what I. understand is it's also all the people. that work for her too and they all have. like a whole system it's probably not. even her that's getting things done it's. it's a a giant staff that's right and if. she stays in office and the giant staff. keeps doing what they're doing yeah I. don't even know if it's a giant staff. but a competent staff it's not about no. their jobs depend on her it's as much as. Hollywood right like your job depends on. your relationship with the big big guy. big woman right well you know that. lady's not making the big decisions at.

this point at this. stage that's when she started my God. Jesus she was kind of she's kind of. pretty she was hot the thing is man when. you get St that job is like any other. job if that's what you do if you play. football you [ __ ] you're used to. colliding with people and scrambling for. the ball that's what you do what they do. is govern like why you want tell me like. why you GNA tell mck Jagger he can't. tour anymore that's right come on man he. looks awesome out there. what are you going to do they're [ __ ].

politicians what do we expect it's they. it just that should be like [ __ ]. there should be some sort of a cognitive. test or something at some point in time. it should be like look we really need. can we give you another job like like a. you have to be 35 to be president why. shouldn't there be a top limit why. shouldn't it be 80 or something I mean. some reasonable number why don't we move. like the Elder Statesman into a. different bracket and like advisor have. them be advisers to discuss policy their.

year wouldn't that be great if like the. Senators could go and meet with the. advisers are still around B back in the. 2000s there was an issue with 4G you. know like this you know I mean there's. got to be a way to do it where you have. like more vibrant people representing. whatever they're. representing yes but it's it's also they. don't want to relinquish power and then. they've got a really good grip on it now.

it's really if you want to run a country. like within the rules and kind of. dominate it they've done an amazing job. cuz they've done it all within the rules. it's like it's pretty clever yes it's. like if when you Donald Trump was. talking about not paying taxes yes you. know it's like yeah you guys said it up. like that so I don't have to pay I'm. going to take advantage of it yes yes. it's like it makes sense well I mean so. this is a good I mean it's a good segue. into a lot of things but it's also a. good segue into sort of Co and Pharma. and those guys because because they are. m. at going to the edge of the line going.

to the gray area they don't they don't. necessarily lie although sometimes I. think when they're forced to they will. lie but they shade the truth they they. run studies in a way that determines you. know that gets the out gets them to the. outcome they want they use friendly. doctors to promote you saw with PHA with. with Purdue PHA with the with oxy with. the opioids you saw this in Spades and. we're seeing it again right now with the. mr& vaccines so these Co these companies.

they know they're very they're very. legally wise and they play. games and they're allowed to and they're. allowed to and that's their job right. that's what's interesting their job it's. not their job well there's one guy's job. and that guy's job is to invent medicine. I mean not one guy one group of humans. and then the other people that job is to. sell it their job is to get it out there. and there very different kinds of. thought processes I would imagine and. that's part of the problem with like.

business and Medicine when they're. together it's like either we're looking. out for each other or we're trying to. make insane amounts of wealth from each. other that's right both of those things. are like that's two ways of looking at. health care for a country either we say. the the whole reason the system is in. place is to make sure that everybody is. healthy and if you get injured we can. help you if you could do it that way. that would be wonderful the other way to. do it is saying we got [ __ ] get you.

on as much [ __ ] as possible because the. more stuff we sell to you the more money. we make and and and if there's a reason. to recommend it we're going to recommend. it because you want to make our reps. happy want to make the hospital happy. and unfortunately that seems to be real. too it's it's very it's very real so. that's real too so that's a real. possibility in today's modern age and. I'm I'm sure there are people that fall. into the former I'm sure there's a I've. know doctors that are great human beings.

and they really enjoy being able to help. people yes it's not it's just like it's. just that's how a system works when when. a system has the opportunity to make. more money by doing certain things it's. like it's not the scientists that are do. trying to do it's like there's a whole. system it's so with the drug companies. and I think this is true of Dr to it's. not that they they want people to get. better I do believe that okay but once. you've invested a billion or2 billion. dollars in a drug and you've brought it. to market and it's got an FDA approval.

you're going to do whatever you can to. protect it and that means generally. exaggerating its benefits and if there. are problems with it doing everything. you can to hide those problems and. that's almost like a fiscal. responsibility your sharehold company. which is really crazy that's what's. really crazy what's really crazy about. it is that money and Medicine are all. combined and it's not saying that. doctors don't deserve money or the. people that develop medicines don't. deserve money it's they certainly do. they work really hard what I am saying. is when you have anything that gets.

wrapped up in a lot of money people want. to make more yeah they want to make more. like how how do I make more you know I. don't like making you know x amount I. want to make Y how do I get to y y what. do I have to do I got to sell this I got. to do that I got to make some. unnecessary these or those and do a few. things to people that maybe they didn't. need yes and and it's okay cuz maybe it. benefits them it probably doesn't hurt. them that much you ju you justify it and. then there's real things that people. thought were conspiracies real things.

like. incentives and that that showed up. during the the pandemic as well that. there there was they got paid per case. for people that had covid and they got. paid per covid deaths and they got the. whole thing was weird it's like if you. financially incentivize the treatment of. a pandemic. disease that seem like I understand that. hospitals have to make money but. isn't there a fear that you label.

something covid deatha you get more. money oh that people would use that on. things that weren't necessarily Co. especially if there's no oversight oh. yeah of course they're not combing. through your [ __ ] books that's and. and if the worst thing that happens if. they do comb through your books is you. have to pay some of it back all the. incentives that's right exactly exactly. we just we up coded a little bit here we. cheated a little bit there we'll give. you a check El talked about it on the. podcast and people said he was making it. nope he was not making it up he was.

saying if you got bit by a shark and you. had Co they would call it a covid death. yes just like what and and this is still. going on Joe this is going on till 2025. if you're if you're a family member and. you're and you can get a family member. who who died to be classified as a covid. death you get up to $9,000 for their. funeral expenses you submit it to FEMA. they cut you a check and so of course. those families want you know they want. $9,000 who wouldn't I mean uh yeah it's.

free $9,000 your loved one's already. gone yes the whole thing is just so. slippery because yeah you would if in. you know if everything was perfect you. would say maybe it would be good to help. these people the funeral maybe it would. be good if you but why is co different. than anything else if good right why do. you get 9 grand for Co and nothing else. um what do you think would it would be. like if people started promoting that. for obese folks if you're obese and you.

die. give would bankrupt the federal. government grandma was obese you know. like you just like people respond to. incentives when there's money companies. respond doctors respond everybody yeah I. mean I guess unfortunately I mean look. it's why we have this you know all these. great things in this country too but um. yeah I I will I will give you so an. opthalmologist called me a few weeks ago. there's a drug and and the drug works. okay it's good it's good for people um.

if you if something called wet macular. degeneration okay it's it's something. older people get and it can blind you so. there's a drug there's a couple drugs. that um that actually work for it they. they block the flow of um they block. blood vessel formation at the back of. the eye they help you so these are. administered opthalmologists administer. them in their offices so a drug like. that the opthalmologist actually buys. and charges Medicare or the private. insurer for okay what's happening and.

and I saw this with a different drug. when I worked at the New York Times 15. years ago so nothing ever changes these. companies all play the same games is. that the companies that make this drug. are giving doctors a rebate on the. purchase price and and the more you use. the bigger the rebate and and this is a. drug that costs thousands of dollars per. uh per person per year okay it's dose. multiple times a year for a lot of these. people so what all this adds up to is if.

you're an opthalmologist who's using a. lot of this the company is cutting you. in check for five or sometimes six. figures sometimes multiple times a year. okay don't tell me that's not a bribe. okay because that's a bribe it may be. legal they may have found a way to do. this and he showed me he showed me the. the the check that his company or that. his opthomology practice had received. and it was huge okay and by the way. these doctors a lot of money on their. own just doing the procedure they don't.

need this but the but it's a way for the. drug company to get them to use this. more there is corruption all over our. medical. system and how how does that get. resolved is there a way at this point or. is it the system itself is it just a. function of that's how human beings. behave when they. have you know enough regulation where.

they can get away with some stuff and. they just want to make more and more. money and it just becomes that's what. they're trying to do I mean I don't know. I mean just human beings I mean if. you're that opthalmologist in Florida do. you need another Ferrari but maybe you. don't think that way you don't think. that way you just think I can get it. right and I'm in this system and the. system is [ __ ] already that's right. and and I'm using this drug because I. know it works and it's good for patients. the problem is you're then you're then. having incentives to ignore the problem.

if there is one later and so in this. case the guy actually said to me he's. like this is a good drug it does work he. said but sometimes if we dose it too. many times we can get there can be sort. of a paradoxical effect where it stops. working if you're one of those doctors. who's on the tit and getting that check. every quarter or every six months or you. know however frequently you get it. you're gonna it's going to be harder for. you to see the problem because all of. the sudden you have a financial. incentive not to see it.

right I don't I don't know what we do. about any of. this except talk about it and make sure. people know talk about it make sure. people know and you know you need. Senators that call this stuff out and we. need you know you need people that run. these companies to be it just have to. have ethical boundaries you know because. they make great stuff the thing about. pharmaceutical drug companies is like I. would never say we don't need them. that's crazy how many people they've.

helped you know how many drugs the. pharmaceutical companies that we we. currently demonize because of this thing. this this for-profit aspect of it but. how many of them have brought drugs to. the market that have fixed all sorts of. problems that people have been suffering. for forever yes yeah they just they just. can't go ham just can't you can't go. crazy and force people to take your. stuff like that's a bad relationship a. good relationship is a consumer and a.

provider and the provider develops these. drugs that are very beneficial to people. and most of them are a lot of them are. right some of them some of them are but. we they they do have drugs that they've. developed that are really beneficial for. people they really do they're real and. we can't [ __ ] throw out the baby with. the bath water I just think that it just. H the problem is also the process right. because to bring a drug to Market costs. so much fu [ __ ] money it cost it.

crazy it's so prohibitive for most if if. you were like some pharmacologist or. some biologist and you you guys were. working together and you developed. something you had this idea about a. pathway and you figured out something. and maybe this could fix it and you. really figured it out sure good [ __ ]. luck right good luck getting that thing. approved well what I mean one of the. great disappointments for me in the last. 10 years is realizing that if you had to. choose between a sewer system and a. medical system you'd choose a sewer.

system like in other words in other. words what's more efficient what what. actually helps human health more the. great gains for human longevity in the. last 200 years have been really simple. things clean water try to get the air. clean don't bury you know don't have. like meat packing plants in the middle. of the Cities don't B don't have giant. graveyards in the middle of cities like. that stuff have you seen excuse me have. you read dissolving Illusions I have not. it's a fantastic book about just that H.

and the beginning of it is they talk. about the conditions that people lived. in because you never really think about. it like what would it be like to live in. a city before there were cars well guess. what but nothing gets to you that's. right you're not getting fresh. vegetables in the winter you're not. getting vitamins right there massive. malnutrition starvation extreme poverty. people living in squalor terrible. sanitation I mean open out houses for. entire blocks of people yep and just.

crazy diseases yep and they all lived on. top of each other and again malnutrition. no vitamin D no sunlight exposure in the. winter etc etc and a lot of those people. got horrible diseases because of that. just like they did in the olden times. like we know about when people dump [ __ ]. in the streets the game the like the. like 18 the first you know the first few. Decades of the Industrial Revolution. were terrible for human health like. people got you know they got crammed. together got sicker and then about 1850. they started to figure this stuff out.

for a hundred years like we did great. okay but it wasn't really medicine it. was really more basic than that and so. the last 50 60 7 years we've spent more. and more and more money on medicine. trying to like ex continue that growth. in life expectancy and it turns out like. there there are limits to it they're. just limits and we seem to be reaching. them and the and the problem is in the. US anyway we're now spending so much. money and having so many unnecessary.

medical procedures of marginal value I'm. not even talking about the cost I'm. talking about like value to people that. we've we seem to have topped out and and. and this is like a really depressing. thing to realize that that ultimately. like once people get to be about 80. there's just not that much you can do. for them unless you're Vince. McMahon you ever see what he looks like. he's 78 years old Jack he's Jack goes to. the gym at 3:00 in the morning sleeps 2. hours a. night me know so there's that Canary in.

the coal mine that's right let's see him. at 82 yeah the well that's only four. years from now but the reality is you're. right it's a you. know but it's also there's a lot of. complicated factors in being healthy and. they don't all involve medicine no and. it's not just say there is are you. joking no no that's legit I think he was. 76 or the 74 there so it's four years. ago he still jacked that's ridiculous. wow modern science right there baby look.

at. that look at him jacked 76 78y year old. man dist jacked disturbing he keeps it. rolling the train kept a rolling with. him yeah man it's uh there's a lot going. on with with people's health and um the. the the the the reality is we we rightly. should attribute a lot of it to medicine. it's great they did a lot of great stuff. but also there's a lot of other factors.

and the the factor with like plagues is. like the sanitation systems that we had. in this country at the beginning of the. 19th century they were horrible horrible. horrible yes horrible cha I mean was. real tyus terrible disease it's all. gangs in New York people forget you. think in New York you think of like. Fifth Avenue like what an amazing place. to visit like back then it was horrific. Little Johnny came home with a cold and. the next day it was dead. horrific yeah people would just dying.

left and right you know one one thing. that I I also found out that was. fascinating was uh about the Spanish Flu. you know the Spanish flu killed so many. people right it killed a [ __ ] ton of. people but they they said that what it. killed people from is not actually the. flu itself but the side diseases that. come with it and that you could have. cured those with antibiotics bacterial. pneumonia yep that's true bacterial. pneumonia and what was the other one. there was another one I think menitis. that may be that may be was it that um. but they said they they could have cured.

those with uh antibiotics so if that. happened to like the fear was always if. the Spanish Flu happened today but. because Medical Science has progressed. if that's the same flu came around today. they would actually be able to the. mortality rate would probably be much. lower no if there's a bad flu or bad you. know another Corona virus you I can just. about guarantee you that will come out. of a lab just like this one did um this. is a conspiracy theory and this is. getting you kicked off. YouTube it's not a conspiracy theory to.

say it came out of a lab isn't it funny. that it used to be yes you used to be. racist to say it there used to be. something wrong with you they did an. amazing job of gaslighting people I. didn't say it was made in a lab I said. it came out of a lab yes and it did okay. yeah so well it seems like the people in. the lab were were patients zero right. yeah they were they were [ __ ] around. with the Corona virus they were trying. to make it more dangerous or trying to. make vaccine a pan Corona virus vaccine. and they didn't they you know somebody.

slipped or somebody accidentally. injected a ferret when they were. supposed to inject a mouse and it all. started there most likely yes most. likely yeah it's just um that's weird. how little outrage there is about that. yes but by the way if it came out of a. of a cave it came out of a cave when. some idiot who shouldn't have been in. the cave was poking around swabbing a. bat's ass. to try to like find a virus so either.

way it's the fault of our effort we did. this okay is there any benefit from that. kind of research or is it just one it. should all be stopped period do they. just do it because that's what they do. yes just like we do research and I want. to do research on Corona viruses and how. to make them more infectious yes it. should all be stopped it's useless okay. you want the proof that it's useless did. you hear anybody predict this was going. to happen before it happened they spent. 10 years trying to figure out what was. going to happen but is there any benefit. in understanding those things so that.

they can develop drugs to combat them n. broadly no and also there's a problem. with that because if you [ __ ] you. literally have a thing where you have a. cure for a thing and if that thing gets. out then you can sell that cure if. you're Dr Evil you're GNA [ __ ] open. the hatch that's right um no you would. hope nobody would ever do that you would. hope but there's been people in the. world that have done some horrible like. we know Hitler was a real guy we know. that was like that never happened again.

are you [ __ ] sure are you totally. sure there's been genocide since then it. seems like the only way this. boy I mean we have to figure out a way. to like catch up to our. abilities like catch up as a species I I. don't know how I mean so the last to. like affect so many people in this in. negative ways with like with whether it.

is drugs and all all sorts of things. that we do but you know so have you did. you see Oppenheimer the movie I haven't. seen it yet so it's pretty great okay. it's amazing and and and so I read the. book it's based on which also pretty. amazing. okay that was a. case you know those guys unbelievable. they just like they they looked inside. the atom with their minds right it's. unbelievable they figured out how this. works and then they took metal and they. they made the sun okay they made an. explosion like the sun they figured it.

out in a matter of years it was so scary. to people the threat that nuclear. weapons pose that we actually kind of. got it under control we never use them. again after 1945 which is really. astonishing it's pretty amazing so so so. when when the threat is obvious enough. that like you can eliminate a city in. seconds our little lizard brains we. figure something out the problem is with. with these viruses it's a little more. marginal it's not as obvious and so we. have these people just continuing to.

mess around with them I hate to take you. off track but when the nuclear bombs. were first detonated uh in Hiroshima and. Nagasaki and I think with some of the. tests too right after that is when. people started seeing a lot of UFOs huh. that's like the folklore behind UFOs. they all started coming after 47 huh. yeah I did not know that yeah so I would. ask you what the [ __ ] is going on what. the [ __ ] is going on when you see all. this UAP stuff and all these people that.

are whistleblowers and they're talking. about crashed retrieval programs where. they could recover crashed UFOs and back. engineer them like what's going on so. I'm not a believer in this and let me. tell you why okay you are an alien okay. Super Hyper advanced technology you can. you can go faster than speed of light. you can get to earth you can figure out. that this one little planet has other. human beings or has other you know life. forms on it that you want to go see okay. right you do that that then you crash. your stupid UFO into the desert okay I.

have a problem with that one one more. point on this okay hey what happened. with the Titan submersible okay that. thing went down and basically they knew. okay within hours that it was blown up. okay they still we're human beings we. try to rescue other human beings okay. the aliens aren't going to try to rescue. other aliens if there's been a crash. they're not going to try to come get. them so you tell me you tell me why it's. always in the desert in Arizona they. never show up the White House they never. show up in Time Square why there have.

been places um where uh large groups of. people seen it and there there was a. place in um Brazil uh Virginia Brazil. and there's a very interesting. documentary about it uh called moment of. contact and there was a crash there was. a crazy lightning storm and there was a. crash and they claim that there was. actual live beings and one of these guys. took one of these beings to hospital. they refused it brought it to another. hospital I think they wanted to bring it.

to a third Hospital the guy who is. carrying this alien supposedly uh but. this is a fact this guy died of some. incurable bacterial disease that they. had no hope of fixing like it just. overcame his body and he was dead very. quickly and he was a young guy I think. he's dead in less than two weeks and uh. they were tribing that to him carrying. this [ __ ] alien so what happened to. what happened to the body the alien body. I don't know they say that the United. States Air Force uh flew a jet and this. is in the documentary they said it flew.

a jet to Virginia Brazil to recover. whatever this thing. was because they have a you know recover. retrieval program I who the [ __ ] knows. man I every time I even say it I sound. so dumb I listen to myself like you. believe this do you believe this but I I. do think we just crashed an F35 that's. true there's a guy had a [ __ ] eject. out of his jet and they're like hey if. anybody sees one of our $800 million. jets call this hotline but this is what.

I'm saying but that's us and that's the. Pinnacle of like modern technology maybe. if you just have there saucers over. Washington DC what year was that Jamie. 1952 1952 yeah it was a newspaper. article where they had they apparently. they photographed yeah someone tried to. shoot it one but what is that mean what. does that mean and you know when When. someone tells a story like that you know. maybe they did see something I mean how. much of it do they remember how much. have they.

embellished how high were they at the. time but they're fighter. jets fighter jets that have encountered. them I I believe those guys Sober Sober. like American heroes like David fraver. yes that story is insane but I I tend to. think more than. ever that it's a drone and that there's. some sort of a drone program that. they've kept secret that isely powerful. believe and if I had a drone program. that can do wild [ __ ] like go Hypersonic.

speeds and hover dead still in midair. and operated without any visible method. of propulsion I would start talking. about aliens too I'd be like dude. they're here we don't even know what. they are they're off-road vehicles like. or excuse me offworld Vehicles so we and. then people would go oh yeah aliens are. here but meanwhile what it is is we have. super sophisticated Tech that your tax. dollars have paid for without you having. any idea it exists well for your own. protection so you don't believe in.

aliens I do and I don't well I do in you. know of course he the fmy Paradox like. if they're out there where are they how. can we haven't seen them but how much. can we look that's like a guy poking his. head out of a tent going I don't see any. bear like BR how [ __ ] much do you. look at that's true how much are you. really paying attention there's a. hundred billion stars in this galaxy. alone there hundreds of billions of. galaxies in the known universe like what. are you talking about like where have we. looked I'm not saying they're not out. there I'm just saying they're not. interested in us well I most certainly.

think they would be interested in us. most C we like like who are these. [ __ ] idiots right well the same way. we go to the Congo and filmed for chimp. Empire it's really not that much. different the same way we go to. Butterfly habitats and study butterflies. like human beings are fascinated by some. of the most primitive of creatures yes. you know a longth thought Instinct Fox. becomes a major news story amongst. academics when when people can go and. travel to exotic places and especially.

biologists and study these animals you. know like you ever read sapolsky's work. with the baboons fascinating stuff uh. sapolsky who's uh he's from Stanford. right Stanford just brilliant guy who's. done all this crazy work about. toxoplasmosis are you aware of that. toxical plasmosis is nuts it's one of. the reasons why they tell women to not. um handle kitty litter. toxoplasmosis is a cat parasite that.

grows in a cat's gut and when it gets on. rats it rewires the rat's sexual reward. system and make the rats sexually. attracted to cat urine Jesus and it. removes Their Fear of cats so that the. cats Devour the rats because the only. way that that that parasite can. reproduce is inside a cat's gut so the. par parasite reproduces inside the cat's. gut comes out and cat [ __ ] and then.

people get and people get it from cat. [ __ ] you might get it from an open wound. you might get it from handling it but. when people get it it makes them more. Reckless he said there's a. disproportionate number of motorcycle. victims crash victims that or. toxoplasmosis infected at one point. point in time France was like 50% of the. people had. toxoplasmosis isn't that wild that is. wild and it changes Behavior it affects. Behavior okay I did not know anything. it's a [ __ ] parasite that like half a. population of a country.

had CU feral cats you have feral cats. look this. up so point is we study all kinds of. [ __ ] weird parasites and [ __ ] monkeys. and giraffes and everything there it is. tox plos is considered to be a leading. cause of death attributed to foodborn. illness in the United States more than. 40 million men women and children in the. US carry the oxop plasma parasite but. very few have symptoms because the.

immune system usually keeps the parasite. from causing illness so this is like if. you have HIV late stage or something he. winds up killing interesting interesting. interesting right it's it's a very. bizarre parasite but we study [ __ ]. Penguins man we'll go they all look the. same the march of the Penguins is you. know people study them they they love to. watch organisms do you don't think. they'd want to watch us yeah but. ultimately we mess around with those. Penguins the aliens would mess around. with us I think they might be I think. they might have made. us they might have made us we we might.

really be a biology project and it's not. a joke if you think about the the. there's a weird. thing with primates and us we're so far. past them yes we are so in another. dimension of reality yes with. communication with our ability to create. technology and and alter the world we're. in a weird place like how do we get here. so quick like how did that happen how. the doubling of the human brain size the. biggest mystery in the entire F entire.

biological record how'd that happen over. two million years human brain size. doubles people start walking upright and. talking to each other what happened and. if I was of an [ __ ] from another. planet and I came down here I'd be like. you know it's like when people take it. they take a wolf and they breed it with. a Chihuahua cuz just they a dick you. want to see what it looks like I wonder. if they would do to us and when they. come and they' say you know what we. could do I just add a little of this to.

these things these crazy [ __ ] throwing. chimp. wild yeah just give them a taste of. alien DNA alter some stuff here and. there you know just see how it works do. a couple different versions of it you. know do you know what I'm getting from. this conversation Joe Rogan that that Co. is definitely over yeah I mean it's it's. here take care of yourself and it's a. cold. nobody wants to say that it's like it's. it's like this forboden thing come on.

kids let's be real about it let's be. real about it now yes you know and if. you that Kathy holel thing when she was. on TV saying you know you have to get. this is this is a new vaccine the old. one's not going to work for it like. she's she's only saying what the CDC. just said it's crazy okay so Co is over. okay but here's what I'm telling you and. and like I guess I'm going to be stuck. beating this drum for I don't know how. long we do not know what the long-term. effects of the MRNA vaccines are and it.

is it is I I would go beyond borderline. I would say it is immoral and unethical. to keep using those right now okay. they're if you're going to insist on. giving people covid vaccines there are. simpler cheaper ones that don't have. this question about what they do long. term the mrnas at this point to me. they're a failed product and they. basically should be withdrawn um it will. never happen there's far far too much at. stake for both the pharmaceutical. industry and public health and the.

Democratic party and the media to even. consider allowing that to happen but the. promise Joe the promise two and a half. years ago was these vaccines are new. they are going to revolutionize the. treatment of respiratory viruses they're. going to eliminate covid don't let them. tell you that's not what they said. because it is what they said okay not. there may be some symptom reduction it. may reduce cases of serious illness no. it was these are so effective we're.

going to get to hurt immunity with them. and Co is not going to be a problem ever. again that was total horseshit and we. can't let them forget it yeah I I know I. know this is boring I know there's only. like a few people who care but it's so. important no I think a lot of people. care I I don't think it's a few people. it's just uncomfortable all these things. are so. uncomfortable you know yes it's a. reality that people would sell things. things that don't work just to make. money and they could put you at risk but. it's like if they can they will and if.

they have it for sale it's like we got. to get this stuff off the. Shelves come on we've been developing. this we developed this thing for the. variants the so this is a number I'm. didn't they just test it on 10 mice yes. fiser literally 10 mice yes not a joke. um I there were five billion doses so. far of the mr's made okay about100. billion dollar sold by five. uh no I want a little bit more 11010.

billion sld by fiser and madna combined. okay my best estimate I and I haven't. been able to lock it down because the. numbers are really hard to find two. billion of those five billion doses were. thrown away unused the companies made. somewhere between 4 50 billion doll on. vaccine that just got tossed thrown it. was a pure gift to the. companies $40 billion. wow now that that even by even by.

American pharmaceutical standards that's. a lot of money it's a lot of money to. waste yeah geeez because nobody wanted. them uh they made fizer made 75 billion. in 2021 and 2022 madna made close to 40. they made some more this year not as. much but yeah it's a lot of money woo. yeah it's hard to turn this bigot off I. get it and it's hard to tell the truth. when when there's that much money well. can you though if you've if you put.

something out and you like again we're. bringing this back to the obligation. your shareholders and how to run a. corporation versus like what's the right. thing to do right if you have something. and you haven't been called out for it. and there seems to be like enough. gaslighting going on in the media that. sort of obscures the reality of of it. you're supposed to keep selling it I. mean if if that's what your company does. right I'm not saying it's good but I'm. saying like if you if you don't know.

there's a problem then you don't know. there's a problem and if you don't look. to find the problem then you don't know. right so you don't look so you don't. look that's the game boy I wish that. wasn't the game I wish the game was uh. we want to make medicine to make you. feel better and if that medicine doesn't. work we try to come up with a new one. sorry that's right no that's not the. game it's just isn't it sort of just the. amount lot of money involved in. developing one of those things the. incentives to pass it through regardless.

of whether or not it's effective are so. strong yes cuz you're so in the [ __ ]. red before you get out of the gate yeah. before you get out of the gate you're. you're into this thing a billion dollars. or whatever that's right and the flip. side of that is it's so profitable on a. per unit basis because it takes a few. cents to make and then you could sell it. for you know $5 or $50 or $500 so the so. the the per unit profit once you get. once you earn your nut back yeah is.

phenomenal phenomenal you know so you. know I'm suing the government right I'm. suing I'm suing how many people say that. to you all casual you know I'm suing the. government I'm suing the government oh. that's cool but I'm also suing the chief. executive of fizer and one of the board. members of fiser all in the same suit so. they've they've responded and they've. you know it's called a motion to dismiss. they want the lawsuit gone okay one of. the things they say in the lawsuit is. that I have been fundraising and I have. a substack and I've been merchandising. which I haven't been merchandising this.

shirt is is my own printed uh boret is. the CEO of fizer fouchy we all know. gotle is on the fiser board and slavit. is somebody else I'm suing you have a. t-shirt on like you're a YouTube. streamer I do Bunch people's names on it. a bunch of people's names on it for. clicks but but so so so fizer's lawyers. have said or the or or borla's lawyers. Albert Boro the CEO of uh of fizer as I. like to call him the world's favorite. veterinarian because he's not a doctor.

he's he's a doctor of veterinarian. medicine which is fine we need those but. yeah absolutely but but you know what he. sort of treated the world like livestock. but but borla is trying to get this. lawsuit dismissed and he's saying. Baron's making all this money listen. buddy your company made $70 billion. selling the vaccines and you personally. had your salary double from 188 million. to 33 million almost double. from 2020 to 2022 so don't call me the. grifter my friend when you're the one.

who's made more money than anyone can. imagine on these vaccines well he's. calling you a grifter because you're. making money from what substack because. I have a substack and because I've. raised money to but you write about. other things in substack you write about. many things I do but no no I mean you. would say I write a lot about or I would. you know I write a lot about the co and. the vaccine sure yeah but you know the. whole thing is that having that an. argument seems kind of crazy like it. should be based on whether or not he's. right that's right and also like why did.

you guys get him kicked off Twitter like. what who did that and why and who who. talked to who and how did that go down. well that's a you know so that's what. the lawsuit's about but but I know I. know that this guy Scott gotle who's get. this Joe Scott gotle between 2017 and. 2019 was the commissioner of the FDA he. quit the FDA and three months later. exactly months the minimum amount of. time later he joined the fiser board. where he's a senior board member where.

they pay him about $400,000 a year that. sounds like a sweet gig it it is a nice. gig for a couple of meetings so good. move so Scott gotle has earned his. paycheck with fizer though because he in. August of 2021 made a call to a senior. lobbyist at Twitter and within a few. hours I had gotten my fifth strike and I. was kicked off Twitter you kicked off. four specifically uh I mean we can find. the Tweet but you just tell me but the.

exact words were uh it doesn't stop. infection or transmission uh think of it. at best as a therapeutic that needs to. be diagnosed in advance of infection um. and has bad side effects and we want to. mandated Insanity that was the entire. tweet every word of that is true let me. tell you what was really happening okay. we can we can talk about the vaccines. and the approval process and the hype. around them and the hope around them in. early 2021 and you can make a good case.

that hey there were people just trying. to get out of the pandemic all right by. the summer of 2021 everything changed. everybody who knew where to look which. was really Israel could see that the. vaccines were not working for very long. that that why was it the Israel data was. important because first of all there. they were they were first to vaccinate. small country they vaccinated almost. everybody by the end of January they. very open about their data as well they. were and you can read stories from the.

spring of 2021 talking about the miracle. how Co went to zero in Israel basically. because there is this short period of. time after those first two doses when. you do actually prevent infection okay I. don't think I don't think anybody who. looks at the data can dispute that I. know there are some people do but I. don't think there's anybody who can. really dispute that okay then what. happens is your antibodies go away and. it comes roaring back and you also often. provoke a new variant which which is. what happened in the summer of 2021 the. Delta variant you know sort of came. roaring along so by by July of 2021 can.

you explain to people that don't. understand how that could be possible. how how does a a vaccine promote a. variant so so these vaccines. specifically these mrnas cause a very. focused immune response and what they do. is they make your body make a specific. version of the spike protein which is. you know the part of the Corona virus. that attaches to your cells and gets the. virus into your cells so the idea is. your body makes a spike your body. recognizes the Spike as an Invader it.

makes antibodies against the spike and. then if you actually are hit with the. Corona virus if you're infected with it. you've got this great Head Start where. your body's antibodies can can attack. the Corona virus and keep it from. infecting any of your cells you don't. get infected you beat it okay that that. that's I mean that's the basic theory of. the vaccine okay the problem is the. virus quote unquote knows what's. happening the virus the virus is going. to mutate there are just going to be. errors in its genome over time these Mr.

these RNA viruses are notorious for this. they when they replicate their they they. make mistakes and some of those mistakes. in the genome leave the virus to look a. little bit differently Le the spike to. look a little bit different and then the. antibodies can't attach as well if. you're if you're a virus that's mutated. and you have these different antibodies. you have an advantage the advantage is. suddenly you can infect people again. guess what that version of the virus is.

going to take off and accelerate so. that's that's a very natural process. here's here's one thing nobody sort of. thinks about which is we really stopped. Mass vaccinating people in late 20121. early 2022 the rate of variance slowed. way down last year and into this year. there Omicron came but since then there. hasn't been another major variant class. is there any dispute in this because. there was a conversation that I got in. with a friend of mine at the very. beginning of the pandemic and he was. trying to tell me that his doctor was. telling him that it was the unvaccinated.

people that were causing the variant no. and I sent him some YouTube videos I'm. like this is what I've read and uh what. is his name gear vanderbosch yes this is. he's a an expert and what is he a he's. an epidemiologist or I forget what he is. something to do with vaccines yes but he. understands the whole pathway it's like. you never Mass vaccinate during a. pandemic yes especially with something. that doesn't offer. that's leaky yes yeah yes complete so so. I mean that's why you give people the.

flu vaccine before flu season ideally. you do not mass vaccinate during a. pandemic uh so but so in the summer of. 2021 everything went to [ __ ] from the. point of view of of the Biden. Administration and to a lesser extent. the vaccine companies okay the vaccine. companies were more aware that this was. going to happen but remember the Biden. nightes and you can find I can find you. a clip of fouchy in May 2021 saying this. is over like I think we can eliminate. this he said that on the record they. were caught with their pants down and.

their response was twofold one we're. going to try to get everyone boosted. we're going to try to scare people into. getting boosted or encourage people who. to get boosted which which they knew or. should have known was only going to buy. them a matter of months but they didn't. care they just wanted to do something. the other part though was even worse and. that was the mandates okay the mandates. were unforgivable Unforgivable. constitutionally unforgivable medically. and here this is unfortunately what I've. concluded about the mandates you know.

what else was happening in August. 2021 Afghanistan collapsed okay and I. don't know if you remember but I'm sure. you can find it the there's a picture of. Joe Biden sitting alone in the Situation. Room looking at TVs and he looks like he. looks completely lost okay we left. Afghanistan in July by August there were. the the the Taliban was in Cobble and we. were you know Marines were getting. killed and Afghans were trying to get on.

airplanes it was terrible okay here's. the thing about the. mandates let's let's just pretend the. vaccines actually work for a long period. of time okay and let's pretend that 90%. or of older people hadn't been. vaccinated which they had been okay so. let's pretend that there was an actual. justification for these mandates what. were they Joe they were wor workplace. mandates the government couldn't. directly make old people get vaccinated.

so they said we're going to have. workplace mandates who is in the. workforce healthy adults under 65 so. there was no possibility that the. mandates could actually affect the. population most at risk from covid and. get them vaccinated they were designed. not to work but to be something that the. president could say he was doing at a. time when he looked completely. incompetent because of what had happened. in Afghanistan that is my true belief.

about this that's it that's it you need. something that is not that picture jeez. that was. August. jeez um I don't know if that's the case. but I do know. that I mean if you have a a vaccine that. protects the people that take it. what is the why are you mandating it for. the people that won't be protected right.

if it does work that's right you should. probably encourage people to take it if. it works but the people that don't take. it hey let those people get sick if. that's what they want to do like is that. that's right and they'll figure it out. cuz who are they going to get sick just. other people that haven't been. vaccinated if it really works that's. right that's right and then people would. eventually catch on right and then they. would figure it out like you don't have. to mandate it right so there was this. theory that there was this young people. who who For Whom the vaccine had had. been approved yet but that was of course. a complete lie because young people are. not at high risk from covid the the only.

the only exception to that is there's a. small number of people who are seriously. immuno compromised I'm talking about. people who have chemotherapy people who. are you know really sick and those. people don't necessarily have a strong. immune response to the vaccine so you. say you say okay our theory is we're. going to make everybody get vaccinated. to protect those people here's the. problem with that that's not how we. practice medicine you don't practice. medicine on a group basis I I was. talking with my friends the other day. about it I was like imagine if for some. reason we were actually talking about.

fluoride in the water but it's a similar. analogy imagine if some people are more. susceptible to skin cancer so we put. sunscreen in apples that's right like. people would go no I want a [ __ ] just. a regular Apple no no no you need this. it's for everyone we have to protect the. other people that are that are. vulnerable so this is how apples come. now cuz people love. apples why you like what kind of. craziness is this you guys put medicine. in the apples that's right I mean the. thing about floride in the in the in. stringing water is a very very very I I. don't know that there's any risk to it.

at all but that's what the standard has. to be but do you know that there's. there's a Associated lower IQs places. that have higher fluoride know yeah we. found it out the other day we were. trying to figure it out like we're like. why is why is fluoride in the water like. I've heard wacky conspiracy theories. like the the wackiest ones is like it's. to make people dumber and more docile. but what what I'm telling you is you're. mandating this not for the people who. are at risk but for. adults in the workplace who are not at. risk what is the logic there right it is.

just to make that man look like he's. doing something do you really think. that's it I do because I can't imagine I. think people were so in the throws of. that thing I think people when when Co. was in its just full phase and there was. a heightened it's hard for us to. remember because I think it was very. traumatic it's a you know cuz when when. you have situ like you know that's like. people after 9/11 their memories very. fog right Co is very traumatic in a way. that like was a long slow drip of trauma.

in a weird way where it gave people. horrible anxiety there's a invisible. thing that's going to kill us all and. you got to stay in your house you got to. take the medicine and get boosted I. don't think people got off that ride man. no no they didn't and maybe you're right. and maybe I'm giving the White House too. much credit maybe they were just afraid. and stupid but you go it was the it was. the mindset of the country to do. something and if you got vac you were a. good person yes and if you didn't you. you remember like people saying like. you're pointing a loaded gun at.

someone's head if you're not vaccinated. Joe I'm not vaccinated I mean not. against this I have no mRNA no covid. vaccine I believe me I remember find the. statement that that Biden made is either. September 8th or September 9th 2021. where he said it was the White House it. was when he announced the mandates he. said we have lost patience with the. unvaccinated and there's there's one. from a I so you think that was him. taking control I I do but it's also what. you're saying there was real fear but I. mean imagine that imagine trying to.

divide the country like that the wildest. one was the White House statement that. said the unvaccinated will experience a. death severe illness a winter of severe. illness and death what our patience is. wearing thin yeah I remember that we've. been patient but our patience is wearing. thin that's so crazy if it already was. proven that it didn't work you know. people didn't one person get Co while. they were in the the the the test uh I.

mean more than one but but they're. definitely what happened was during the. clinical trials which only lasted a. couple of months that's that period when. the vaccines really worked and there is. this short period when you have a. tremendous number of antibodies and you. don't really get sick and that's what. the data showed but it didn't show. anything else and that's why they have. to have long-term studies longterm these. things to find but we didn't have the. luxury of long-term studies so they seem. to. have ch not.

to it's just the weird thing was the the. ignoring of natural immunity that was. very strange weird not just ignoring but. I had intelligent people that I respect. trying to convince me that I should get. vaccinated right after I recovered from. covid and I was like well I don't think. that's scientific I think if you read. the data it shows you that you have a. much higher level of immunity from. recovering from it naturally that's the.

data I'm not that's not encouraging. people to go get covid but I'm saying. that that was what the data said so like. and well you get even more protected if. you get vaccinated I'm like okay but is. that more risks like what is the risk. factor now like is it because that's. what I've heard there's like an elevated. risk factor for adverse side effects if. you've just recovered from Co is that. true yes that is true there's no reason. to be vaccinated but here's what it. really was they wanted me to join the. club that's right that's what it was I'm.

in the club I took the vaccine did you. take the vaccine I got the new iPhone do. you got the new iPhone right you know. that's right team fiser team Elric car. yeah no team Apple no man it's sick it's. sick what they did yeah they got us they. got us they played us against ourselves. and and people they they they. literally enjoyed like chastised people. for not following the rules and when. those rules turned out to not neither be.

accurate scientific or even beneficial. when those rules turned out to be. [ __ ] and actually detrimental nobody. apologized nobody cared that's yes and. and the reason it's worth talking about. this now is because of what they did. last week yeah so they announce more. they're trying to get everybody to get. boosted six-month-olds boosted 12 year. olds 12 years old 12-y old boys. 20-year-old guys who have a risk for. myocarditis boosted it's wrong and it's. not what the rest of the world's doing.

and they should be ashamed of themselves. what did you tweet you tweeted something. about the numbers yes so what I tweeted. and this one this is this really landed. has gotten five million views since last. week it was showing the cdc's own. calculations you'd have to give a. million doses to save maybe maybe one 12. to 17year old but when you give those. million doses is you have 100 to 200,000. not 100 to 200 100 to 200,000 severe.

side effects that are short-term. following the vaccination plus and I. didn't put this in the slot in the in. the in it you have another 50 to 300. cases of. myocarditis so so maybe you save one. person with those million doses but your. side effects are so much worse and those. are going to include some deaths okay. they are because myocarditis can kill. Young people so what are we doing the. rest of the world practically Germany.

Australia Britain most of the world um. it did not you know did not follow this. path it's only basically the United. States and a couple other countries like. Canada that F that basically follow our. recommendations that follow this path so. so so this is these are the slides but. if you if you if you go back to the main. uh yes this is what it says this is what. it says so the cdc's own data admits. that you get 100 to 200,000 severe side.

effects per 1 million doses yeah so that. I mean that means that means like are. they getting that from Vees where they. getting so they're getting that from the. clinical trials that the companies ran. so that doesn't mean that doesn't mean. like you're in the hospital for a month. what it means is you might have a week. of fever or you might have you know. nausea that keeps you from going to. school for 3 days it's it's a but that's. you said severe those are those are. classified as severe because remember Co. isn't going to do that to most 12 to 17.

year olds it's more severe than the. illness itself so but the myocarditis. aspect of it those cases can kill no. question about it not not that they. frequently do but they can so there is. zero putting aside the fact that this is. an expensive thing and it's t and you. know when we were trying to mandate it. remember a lot of schools high schools. colleges said you had to have this if. you're were going to go putting aside. the fact that you're taking away. people's autonomy on a strictly cost.

benefit basis it makes zero sense to try. to get kids and young adults and. teenagers to take this and the rest of. the world knows it why don't we isn't it. wild that what you said is. controversial isn't it wild it's wild as. a sign of times what you said was. dangerous like oh my God what is he. saying that's right there people. listening to that that are branch cians. that are all in and still supporting the. vaccine I know it works cuz I took five. and I'm still alive like there's there's.

people out there like that I've read. comments I know like every now and then. I'll dive into someone's covid debate. and read what are the especially from. like the hardcore lefties that are still. all in on it y I'm starting to mask. again you know like yeah they're masking. again they're doing it in New York City. I'm telling you but I'll tell you. something so DeSantis like who's the. only real politician who's who really. understands the math on this and takes. it seriously and Joseph lopo who his his. Surgeon General they came out last week. and they said we don't agree with the. CDC recommendations we think people only.

people over 65 should get this now. that's in keeping with the rest of the. world so what happened the New York. Times And The Washington Post and NBC. all the sort of elite media Outlets. attacked Dan santis and lopo over this. and not one of them said hey what. DeSantis is saying is what the rest of. the world is doing we're the ones who. are the outliers no was Ron DeSantis. doesn't agree with the CDC. recommendations he's trying to get. people in Florida killed no it's a lie. is that really did they get that.

hyperbolic he's trying to get that part. I'm exaggerating but but if that was a. real headline I'm like man that guy. really went for it no but the the. headlines were like uh experts say he. may be putting people in Florida at risk. there was stuff like that okay all right. maybe maybe not maybe not at all like at. what point in time do we just look at. reality and stop being so [ __ ] tribal. cuz if I think if the people that uh had. gotten vaccinated the people that got.

talked into it maybe some of them that. regretted it if they didn't have a stake. in the game and they could just look at. this thing for what it is they would be. like what right like as it is now they'd. be like what are you talking about but. they're already so invested in being. team vaccine well is it interesting like. team vaccine is also team Ukraine it's. like it's weird so I'm one of the few. people who actually who's like not in. favor of the mras but I do support. intervention I don't know if. intervention is the right word I do. support our supporting Ukraine I know. that I'm like the only person that's a.

complicated conversation yes it's a very. complicated conversation but just to go. back to the vaccines you can't get. unvaccinated so if you'd taken two or. three of these or worse if you'd had. your 15-year-old take one or two you. don't want to think about it anymore. right and also you don't want to feel. responsible so anything that comes it's. confirmation bias that can give you some. sort of a feeling of peace that you. didn't [ __ ] up and give the wrong thing. to your kids and and take the wrong.

thing yourself and anything you could do. to like Comfort yourself because imagine. if you for your children you you gave it. to your children not now said your. children has like some sort of a heart. issue. yep so people do like to hold on to. their beliefs as much as they can. especially when those beliefs are. integrated into a tribal ideology which. it was in some strange reason for some. strange reason rather during the. pandemic being vaccinated and believing. the science and trusting the experts.

became part of the left's ideology and. anyone else was a a [ __ ] and a trump. supporter and you know go you know get. take your horse paced and die this is. why this is why they don't like you. because you're clearly you know not on. team Trump you're not a you're not a. Maga guy so they can't they can't they. can't sort of atar you that way so. you're too you're they don't like. anybody they can't categorize well we. should all be. uncategorizable we should all there's a. lot of great ideas that come from both.

sides it's like the idea that there's. only two sides is crazy because there's. so much variability so much variability. in the left and variability in the right. like when you looking at like the. craziest. [ __ ] militia guys on the right and. then you look at the craziest [ __ ]. antifa people on the left like that's. not representative of the right and the. left it's representative of the worst. aspects the furthest out on the edges. but if you are in agreement with. anything that the right has to say. whether it's stuff about you know. regulations the economy whatever the.

[ __ ] it is you are all of a sudden on. the side of this goddamn militia like. how did that happen right I did you know. you're on team Michelle Obama's a man. you're on team you know what I mean like. you got to you got to go all the way. with all this [ __ ] cookiness that's. on that side like oh no I just think. that you know maybe we should have free. speech yes maybe freedom of speech is. actually really important important and. freedom isn't something that should just. be dismissed it sounds corny and cliche. but freedom is really critical the older.

I get the better I understand the. Constitution and why we have it and why. we need it those guys were wizards they. were unbelievable they were so good the. people that wrote the Constitution were. so good yes like they understood human. nature so well yes it's really crazy how. they set it up because they're like. there's got to be a way to stop. dictators there's got to be a. way and they were kind of they were kind. of on it for a while. up until like World War. II they did a great job they did a great.

job till people amassed power and then. they had the media and newspapers they. didn't control newspapers and all that. and then it was like oh boy boy it's is. getting. slippery they did a great job of setting. it up though that at least we have. things that they don't have in other. countries like freedom of speech like. that the first amendment is it's so. [ __ ] polarizing for some strange. reason that there's people that have. like smart people that have openly said. maybe we should amend the First. Amendment yes so so this is so I wrote.

this in a substack about a month ago. this is very upsetting to me there was a. poll that uh galloped I think it was. Gallup did of just a few weeks before. that I think it was. June 70% of Democrats now essentially. think the government should be able to. ban quote unquote false speech on social. media so first of all who's deciding. what's true and what's false okay and. second all you want the government to do. that this the Democrats used to believe. in free speech that used to you know.

liberals F the famous instance is when. the ACLU in the late 70s there are these. Nazis Nazis marching in skoki Illinois. and the ACLU said we're going to defend. them we hate them but we're going to. defend their right to speak because. that's the first amendment that's. America the left has just totally. forgotten this they don't want to hear. anything that they don't want to hear. yeah it's unfortunate that we just have. this thing in our head that this is what.

my team believes it's so unfortunate. because it really allows these things to. take place whereas if we were rational. and objective and agnostic we would look. at it and go these are problems like. this is a problem for all of us this is. a problem for everybody but if you know. that's your [ __ ] problem I want a you. know internal combustion engine [ __ ]. you know you can't [ __ ] make me drive. electric car like everyone is so. we're we're so we have an identity you. know we we identify with being a. progressive we identify with being you.

know yeah whatever it is yeah whatever. it is and when we do that we want. everyone we want a signal to everyone. else that we're on the. team so. frustrating it's so crazy it's just it's. so crazy I mean yes and you see it with. every you know I I don't know if you. paid attention to this uh this woman in. Virginia is running for the uh she's. she's a Democrat running for the house. of delegates you know like the like.

Virginia State office and uh and she was. caught I think it was about a week ago. she had a like essentially a porn site. with her husband oh yeah like filthy. just absolutely filthy okay. yea okay so so there's filthy you can. hear filthy that's a good advertisement. for it Alex Baron says filthy absolutely. filthy so so meanwhile you got Lauren. ber right who's like doing what she's. doing in that uh in you know in that. theater in in Denver right I heard about.

that yeah right so here's my thing okay. they're both they've both disqualified. themselves from political office not. because I have any problem with sex or. anything like that but because your. judgment is so bad okay you have two. little kids don't start talking about. how you're going to take money so people. can watch your husband [ __ ] you up the. ass which is literally what that woman. in Virginia when I say filthy I mean. filthy and and don't and don't start. jerking off your like buddy your first. dat buddy in the theater the Beetle. Juice theater with a with with a.

pregnant woman directly behind you and. kids around you just don't do it okay. neither of those women should be holding. political office I don't think that. should be a controversial position okay. but if you're on the left you know you. know this is this is the right of a of a. married woman to have sex on camera with. her husband and God forbid we should you. know we we say anything about it and if. you're on the right you know Lauren ber. was just having a tough day or something. no why can't we just judge these things. sort of apolitically as the crummy.

behavior that they are and why can't we. say to these two like apologize and. leave us alone yeah well it's certainly. an inappropriate place to be grabbing. dicks and titties but I I like the. enthusiasm I like the fact that they're. getting after it um and they probably. didn't think anybody could see cuz it. was a dark there was a woman directly. behind them a pregnant woman who told. them to stop really cuz they were doing. it all the time yeah wow she's a lot of. fun um yeah probably uh Reckless human.

no to self this did not go the direction. I hoped it would come on Al we have to. have some fun with this yeah no I knew. what you're saying I and and I yeah it's. not that I have a pro I mean listen you. know adults are going to do what adults. are well the the hunter Biden thing the. greatest example of that there's almost. no push back on the left there no. outrage no chaos. here oh you know here's the most. disgusting part of that that he and the.

and the and and the president wouldn't. recognize his daughter okay that is. disgusting especially if you believe. that you know like there's all this. evidence you know getting raised by a. single mother is is not a you know it's. not a good thing for your outcomes in. life yes plenty of people overcome it. yes we don't want to stigmatize but in. general it's better to have two parents. involved okay you have the son of the. president of the United States refusing. to acknowledge his daughter okay that is.

disgusting and it shouldn't and the and. and is that because he didn't think it. was his it was a DNA proof he's paying. child support he just even after the DNA. yeah he still refuses and the Biden said. we have six grandchildren they have. seven grandchildren okay that is a. national shame and the and I don't care. if you're on the left or the right it is. not right the thing about him is just. that he's such a hot wire I like you. can't touch it it's just just too much.

there you don't want to bring any. attention if you were on the left you. wouldn't want to bring any attention to. him and that laptop and those business. dealings and all that stuff cuz like if. that was the Trump family oh my God it'd. be like we told you we told you but but. yeah but you think that Trump's are much. better like they're look how much money. look how much money Jared Kush. made when he was in the White House look. look I mean it's crazy how much money. the trumps are making and did make.

it's yeah no one's saying that that's. good either right that's the thing about. someone shame people love people on the. left love to do that though as soon as. you point out anything on the left they. what about Trump what about Trump is. like they should make a t-shirt just. says what about Trump because that's. like one of those things that they say. and yeah you're right though you're. right that kind of corruption's that's. inexcusable too and you know some of it. is just business air quotes right right.

with the Saudis right I'd love to hear. about that business it's fascinating the. guy's got you know kushner's kushner's. 35 he's got his whole life to suck at. the Troth like did he have to do it when. his father-in-law was in I know the. details behind that what happened I mean. so he made he and made an enormous. amount of money uh like during the four. years of the Trump Administration and. you know you can look it up I don't want. to quote a figure because I don't want. to be wrong but it but but it it is it.

is an absolutely stunning amount of. money and so and you know and now. Kushner you know he's got he's got saudy. money that he's managing. it's I. just I I don't know I don't know where. we are as a country it seem it seems. like the people in charge think that. anything. goes what do you think of our K Jr I. like him personally I've been. interviewed by him I think I think.

he's I think he's right to raise. questions about the mrnas I don't agree. with a lot of the details of what he. says he's a fascinating guy you've. interviewed him right yeah I really. enjoyed talking to him what's really. important is his work as an. environmental attorney what he did with. the Hudson River they cleaned up the. Hudson River a lot of it based on him. winning cases yep and he really cares. about people genuinely does I think he's. a good person I really do would you vote. for him yeah I'd vote for him yeah I.

would I don't think I'm going to get the. opportunity doesn't doesn't look that. way I have a feeling they have a feeling. they've got some rascally tricks up. their sleeves to keep him from ever. challenging and there there's not going. to be any debates that's for sure yes. you know which is uh it's just I just I. really want to know I mean this is like. a show that I can't stop watching if I. if I wasn't personally involved it. wasn't a you know something going on in. the country that I turn that I live in I. would be like wow a show and this is.

crazy is that guy gonna make it like. what's going to happen is she GNA be the. president like are is Russia gonna nuke. us I would be like what a show this. Show's crazy you know you could opium is. legal you could sell pills but. marijuana's not okay mushrooms aren't. but you know fenel is like okay this. Show's crazy look they got alcohol they. drive fast. they're putting speed cameras up all. around La. now they got a they G putting speed.

cameras up where they give you a certain. ticket for x amount of miles you go over. the speed limit is that true yeah see if. you can find that I just saw. this it's like okay so big brothers. watching you drive watching you drive. down the street now so you're still. leaning towards not interviewing Trump. is that right I don't want to interview. anybody oh how about that speed camera. bill in California heads to new for. approval please Gavin don't do this oh. you know he's going to do it pleas don't.

11 miles over yeah issue automatic. tickets for driving drivers going at. least 11 miles over the speed limit. cameras would be prioritized in areas. surrounding schools high injury. intersections and known street racing. corridors to reduce speeding and traffic. fatalities oh well hold on a second you. put it that way I'm like okay yeah are. there certain areas but the problem is. once you allow in that area like oh. we're going to put it prioritize means. nothing yeah prioritize is a weird word. yes um but if that's the case cuz like.

those [ __ ] Street takeovers like. that's bananas like these [ __ ] and how. many times do you have to see on. Instagram some dude standing around the. circle and the guy spinning around his. car and hits one with the ass end and. sends them flying through the air Jesus. Christ kids get the [ __ ] out of that. Circle I know it's a thrill but get out. of there man that's pure Darwin that's. get out of there man you know it's like. those like you'll see it even in the. tour to front those people are on the. side occasion they take out one of those. bikers all the time it happens all the.

time and then there's like 83 of them go. down right I mean trusting just regular. people to stand there like one's going. to be a [ __ ] one's going to be on their. phone one's going to have a text that. they can't not answer waving a French. flag or whatever yeah they're going to. do something they're going to try toxo. plasmosis well also the [ __ ] when you. have like car races when like they're. doing those rally races like those. people are out of their mind those. things come highways around corners. there's people right there but at least. those are experts those street racing. kids are just.

nuts like how did that that's Street. takeover thing when did that first start. you jealous of this I can tell Street. takeover no you wish you were in one of. those cars what how dare you I'm not. interested in that at all I don't want. to spin around in a circle I have zero. desire to spin around in a circle but I. mean I wonder if that was like was fast. and the furious about that or was it. before that so Street takeovers were. before yeah way before 80s Oakland side. shows 80s in Oakland.

wow in formal social Gatherings of Bay. Area Youth side shows that's what they. would call them so they would just take. over an intersection and start spinning. around in circles how how long do that. gener last how long half. hour 15 minutes guys have like held up. an intersection for half hour just. spinning around in circles I would. imagine have you been to the Bay Area. recently kind of Anything Goes what a. wild thing to do though to make. everybody stop so you can drive in a. circle in your car and everybody does. they know what's going on so they all.

just deal with it what are you going to. do that's nuts here's a there's some uh. rap song Here's the the rules now listen. this is code to the show for the people. out there who just don't know if your. car is real clean then bring it if it's. high performance then swing it if it's a. motorcycle you better serve it and if. you get a ticket you better deserve it. right okay just part of the culture part. of the culture noted you get a ticket. you have to deserve it yeah don't do. some [ __ ] ass thing get a ticket shut. the whole intersection down do.

donuts but yeah they're not racing Fast. and Furious is about races that's a. whole different right yeah that's a. different thing but it's a lot of those. cars are like those souped up fast and. furious type cars right aren't they like. a lot of like souped up cars if your. car's clean bring it there it's not well. okay I guess it's just what a what a. crazy thing to do to people make him. wait so he could do donuts wasn't there. something didn't something like this. happen in Austin pretty recently yes.

yeah yeah they did one of those here. they do them everywhere it's all over. the country now it's like kids want to. be kids like they they see it on. Instagram but I guess they don't see the. ones where the ASN hits the people and. they go flying oh no that's they're. definitely seeing that dude there's so. many of those where people don't know. how to control high performance cars and. they just get on the gas and the thing. spins around a circle and slams into a. telephone pole there's so many of those. I old to be young I would to be dumb not. know how to drive a car something. happens here I've heard about definitely. not been a participant is uh kids taking.

over people's houses oh Jesus they'll. find a big house that's empty and be. like it's time to throw a party. definitely doesn't only happen here but. I've heard of it I've seen Instagram ads. for Imagine coming home from vacation. there's a party going on at your house. you got to kick everybody out I think. that's a Will Farrell movie is it it. should be it should be yeah what the. [ __ ] yeah should be but they can't make. those movies anymore right house party. yeah they can't make those M you try to. make Step Brothers today you would get. canell isn't that crazy wasn't that long.

ago no they killed the genre they. literally killed wokeness killed the the. really over-the-top ridiculous comedy. genre you know like um super bad you. could never do that movie today that's. true it's a [ __ ] brilliant movie it's. so funny that movie no way uh. 40-Year-Old Virgin yeah probably all of. those are all those Step Brothers uh-uh. uh-uh Tropic Thunder you better get the. [ __ ] out of here there's so many live.

wires and Tropic Thunder so many. landmines oh my God yes yeah but. meanwhile brilliant movie you can still. watch it you know it's like back in the. day when we were free yeah 10 years ago. ridiculous yeah so quick it happened so. quick social media people gathered. together in Echo Chambers and decided. what was acceptable and what wasn't and. enforced it on everybody else don't you. feel maybe we hit the peak of that about. two years ago when they went after you I.

think um there's a enough understanding. now that the vast majority of people. don't like that the vast majority and. also the the vast majority of people. think that context is important and that. humor is important and that fun is. important and that I don't like when. other people are telling me how I have. to think and talk like you should be. willing to let people you want to call. yourself a Zur that's great but you get. mad at me that I won't use that madeup. word like this is Bonkers this is just.

Bonkers you know if you have makeup on. long hair and you're a girl and you tell. me you're non-binary and you I have to. call you a Zur I'm like I don't want to. participate you know this is not my my. dance like you you can go go [ __ ]. cosplay do whatever you want I don't. know you know dress up like an angel I. don't care but I don't like it when. people start. reinforcing their ideology on other. people and that's part of what goes on. whenever people have the ability to do. it when people have the ability to tell.

other people what to say how to think. they just do it whether their right way. is right or not they don't want to. debate it they just want you to comply. and they'll say things to you like you. should just be quiet and listen you know. they'll say things like that which is a. that's an amazing thing to say just be. quiet and listen when woke people are. educating you like oh just be quiet and. listen Okay well that would make it. easier because as soon as I start. talking your arguments going to fall. apart you you know that there's now been.

some research done into like some of the. Dei stuff you know that shows that it. actually causes a backlash yes right. like that you know when you tell people. they're not allowed to talk and they. come out angrier than they went when. they went in yes exactly and it's also. the wasn't the person who created Dei. just came out and said it didn't really. work that that well is that true I that. would not surprise me isn't that. something that just happened. Jamie I could I I'm pretty sure I saved.

it cuz it was so Bonkers I was like this. can't be real I have to look into this. let me let me look at it real quick. because it was so kooky that I was like. I need to read this and because a lot of. times and uh guilty as charge if you. ever thought I did this if if you see me. come on this podcast and just start. talking about [ __ ] that I probably just. read the. headline all right what am I looking up. again D creator Dei right right right. right right I got it in here I know I. do oh here it is uh Jordan Peterson.

tweeted it and it was tweeting it uh he. was quote tweeting Michael Sherman I'll. I'll text to you. Jamie um so all that stuff became. explain that to people what Dei is and. and how it uh came to be and what it. what it does and what what its impact is. well I mean I'm not I'm not an expert in. it but you know Dei is diversity equity. and inclusion and it is basically this. idea that you know white people need to. shut up right and and well it's not just. that they want equal representation in.

you know here it is even Harvard. psychology. Professor how do you say his name Ma. maerin B banagi has come around she. literally pioneered the research upon. which all the Dei nonsense was. hypothetically predicted uh predicated. rather not alone no sick and Greenberg. to for her to write this in the Wall. Street Journal it's astounding Freud. abjured psycho an analysis but here's. the Shermer thing that's interesting.

right so sh Michael shmer says. astonishing admission from the pioneer. of research on implicit bias bigotry. racism same person ma masaran mazan. banagi my apologies that Dei training. programs don't work and even hurt racist. attitudes still exist but much improved. since 1960s and most don't act on them. anyway and Dei now and that's what shmer. wrote yeah so so yeah because when you. know look everybody has stray thoughts.

that you know may not be the best in the. world but if people aren't going to act. on them and you you make them sit in a. conference room and tell them how. terrible they are for three hours. they're going to wind up. feeling probably more aggravated than. they were when they came in yeah that. that nobody likes to be told they're. awful all the time right and it's also. productive that's not it's the the used. be Bill b Bill Mah rather talked about.

this that you know we should stri we. we're supposed to be striving for a. colorblind Society but somewhere along. the line we were told that that's that's. not possible you shouldn't do that. because it's color is important race is. important all these things are important. you should why de training doesn't work. and how to fix it this article written. by her and there's no question that bias. exists there's no question that the way. organizations deal with it is more lik. lead to hurt than help okay but maybe. that she's saying how to fix it maybe. she thinks that just needs to be.

tweaked we would have to read the. article is too much trouble yeah I mean. the real problem is everybody wants a. meritocracy right but in this long race. of self-improvement not everybody starts. at the same starting line well that is. true and the reality is we put very. little effort into uh making a better. starting line for a lot of people in. this country that's that's a that's an. unfortunate reality of this country that. is undeniable and that needs to be. addressed that's the root of the whole.

thing you can't just like decide to just. do something about the fruit you got you. got to do something about like what. where's the what is the fertilizer for. the civilization what is what is the. root structure of the civilization yes. but I that needs to be improved but to. to go back to where we started today. there's nothing that's worse for. parenting than kid there's nothing. that's worse for parenting than parents. of young children being using drugs. whether the drug is alcohol cannabis or.

you know or meth or heroin it is. terrible for parenting I mean it it. leads to abuse neglect it leads to. Poverty it leads to terrible outcomes. and I don't know how you stop that but. one of the things when you consider. whether you're going to set up a world. where drug use is sort of allowed SL. encouraged SLC commercialized is the. effect on young kids it's a really good. question and I you know as a person who. believes that freedom is one of the most.

important things I also come from a. perspective where you know I'm in a. different place in life than I was when. I was 20 and what would I be like when I. was 20 if heroin was legal what would I. be like if cocaine was legal would I. what would I have done and that there's. there's a reality that if you open the. gates now and you say now all of these. drugs are legal we're going to regulate. them and the way to stop feny coming in. in these tainted cocaine is to sell pure. cocaine and it'll actually be better for. everybody I I don't I don't believe that.

I truly don't believe it I don't think. the problem is the tainted drugs I think. the problem is that drugs just eat. people I think there's both of those. things but what I was about to say is if. you did do that you would undeniably. have a certain amount of people that are. going to get addicted that never would. certain amount of people that were going. to lose their lives that never would. certain of violent actions car accidents. people on meth and heroin and drugs and. Coke and they're going to do wild [ __ ].

yep and you know people are super. unpredictable when they're [ __ ] up on. drugs and you're going to have real. problems and that that's also true but. you know would more people do it if it. was legal I think you're right I think. more people would try it but eventually. not so we just have to sacrifice a whole. generation. you ever go to Europe and and see like. the like kids are allowed to drink wine. in Italy and so they don't like their.

instances of alcoholism and it's not a. big deal to them for us it's a big deal. like I remember the first time I got. drunk with my friends we were listening. to lead Zeppelin my friend Jimmy and it. was like it was like [ __ ] we were like. 15 years old 14 15 years old and I I got. sick in a cab like the whole thing like. you had like but it was getting alcohol. was crazy if you live in Europe it's. normal like they they they ACC they get. their kids acclimated to it like you.

don't let them drink but they're allowed. to have a sip of alcohol have a little. it's not that big a deal don't think of. it as like some forbidden fruit that you. can't wait to get to to get [ __ ] up. that's right yes but even with you know. adults we know that even with adults. that have you know reasonable ways of. approaching every other aspect of their. life some of them can't have a drink. that's right they can't they can't do it. they get [ __ ] gerbal IED and they're. gone you know you know those guys yes of. course those are real people too and.

what do we do about that and it's a good. question but it's a question that. unfortunately there's so many pros and. cons of both sides and the con of both. side is crazy because you're empowering. a gigantic criminal Enterprise that is. yes that's crazy and that was. Prohibition that was the thing that was. going on in America they didn't stop. people from drinking whiskey but they. stopped them from drinking good whiskey. they were making moonshine and you know. that was what Nascar was created for.

they were trying to run away from Cops. boys those boys out yeah yeah they. developed hot rod cars to run away from. cops and they said you know we we should. race these [ __ ] and they just. got [ __ ] Le tracks in a circle yes I. mean that's literally how NASCAR started. and it's it's kind of amazing but it's. just there's no real there's no one. perfect answer there's no one thing we. say you know what if we do this we'll. have zero deaths and everyone's going to. be peaceful and the world's going to be. a Utopia there's NE no answer like that.

no but here and I'm not suggesting this. okay but you if you have a regime that. is really strict on drug use you don't. have much drug use I mean I'm talking. about I'm talking about like yeah like. like Saudi Arabia you know if you're. cutting people's hands off what and and. and that would never fly here and I. don't think it's a good idea it's. definitely not a good idea but this idea. that like you can't culturally and. societally lower the levels of drug use. is not true you can it's just the C of. the price you pay right but that isn't.

that the thing about like peace as well. like as long as you're willing to have. like like who was the was it the was it. the who's the was it the president of. the Philippines that was K Dr yes yes. yes I mean yes I bet that had an impact. yes yes I mean I wouldn't recommend it. but I bet it worked to a certain extent. that's right no it's but uh so there's. just this idea the drug legalization. Lobby has very successfully argued that.

basically you can't manage the amount of. drug use in a society you just have to. manage the consequences and that is. demonstrably untrue here here's another. like drinking and driving used to be. pretty Society acceptable and now it's. not acceptable I mean people still. sometimes do it but levels are way down. have you ever seen that video from when. they first started telling people you. can't have an open beer in your no see. if you can find that video Jamie I think. it's from the 1970s and then this lady's. like basically we're becoming.

Communists crazy and this guy's like you. work all day it'd be nice you could have. a beer on your way home like it's crazy. these people are advocating for openly. drinking in their cars that's right you. can change it behavior and attitudes. well that's a wild one that's a wild one. that people want to be able to just. [ __ ] booze it up while they're. driving listen to this dring and driving. here is viewed by some as downright. undemocratic it's kind of getting common. this when a fell can't put in A Hard. Day's Work put in 11 12 hours a day and.

then get in your truck and at least ring. one or two. beers laws where you can't drink when. you want to maybe yeah you have to wear. a seat belt when you're driving and. pretty soon we're going to be Cal this. country that is. fantastic that's when Trump got his. first light bulb. I think I can be. president that guy I didn't even like. his accent I didn't even I underd did it.

yes he was over the top yeah but the. baby next to the lady the baby right. there that's how used they used to carry. babies around just put them in there no. airbags no stick them in the front seat. those cars they fall apart too when they. get in. accidents when I was a kid we just sat. in the back seat you didn't wear a. [ __ ] seat belt everybody's bouncing. around back there you know. what it's not the end of the world it's. most of the time people survive and. there's a there's an amazing there's. something I've been meaning to write for. the stack it's been like I started to. write and i' I haven't had time but this.

is a non-id thing this is the kind of. stuff I need to write more of. so there have been there's been a lot of. research done recently on like the. unhappiness of adolescence and you know. teenage girls especially and what's one. of the things that's really interesting. is if you look by uh by political party. liberal kids are much much more unhappy. than conservative kids right now and not. and if you look at the outcomes that's. not necessarily the case you know like. when did this become was this always the.

case was it the case more recently it's. got much worse in the last few years and. the last few years I I got to go back. and again I don't want to misquote it. but you know their par lockdowns and Co. as well lockdowns and Co and their. parents scaring them to death with. climate change and they're just like a. bunch of neurotic like kids who you know. who who don't have any like they don't. have any fun the climate change one is. wild because the thing about the climate. change one it's it's both sides it's.

kind of undeniable like it is undeniable. we're having an effect yeah it's. undeniable agree but I watched this guy. discuss I I forget what legislators what. you know politicians he was talking to. but he was asking them because they were. trying to figure out what to do about. carbon emissions and he said what do you. think the level of CO2 like what. percentage of the air is CO2. and everybody had a guess like 5% 7%. whatever it was and he said it's. actually. 0.3 or 0.4 y 0.3 and at 0.2 plants die.

right right. right is that true find out if that's. true when that guy was saying that I was. like they don't know because they're. just guessing right so they they no it. is 0.3 because it's 300 per million 0.3. right yeah and there's an effect that. we're having and that effect is causing. the Earth to be the greenest it's ever. been right uh yeah no look we know this. is real actually 03 but yeah but but you.

can't scare the crap out of your kids. all the time don't scare them here's the. other thing and this is again not. denying that human beings have an effect. on the climate we clearly do it's never. been stable no the climate's never been. stable it's never like a flat line like. look if we go back to the dinosaurs. before people started [ __ ] around it. was a nice Flat Line you always knew. what. temperature is going to be on September. 19th 2020 September you come on no you. didn't it's like it was all Cookie the.

whole thing is like this if you watch. the like I had Steve coonan on who's a. physicist who explained all this thing. you asked me to look up is this it I'm. out I think so yeah here it is. atmosphere CO2 carbon. dioxide well guess it's. okay I'll bu 5% right I'll just follow. you there see their five and um suggest. that we know that Transportation causes. 49% of CO2 so that's why we're all. working on energy transission all right.

so what number you think it is H five. five about you I didn't hear you it's D. seven seven you have one Mr boy so we. got a five seven pric is Right eight I'm. going get the high end all right well I. I appreciate that and I don't mean to. put you on Ice I ask a lot of people. that because all we here climate change. climate change CO2 CO2 I heard a couple. you on the panel saying you're looking. to change your vehicles to Electric even. though we don't have the electric grid.

and me as a farmer I wouldn't be real. happy about running out placing $300,000. $500,000 million doll pieces of. equipment because some want someone. wants it to be electric the answer is. 0.4% not 1% not half of a percent 0.4%. it's gone up from 03 over the last. couple decades this is what we're being. all contorted into doing is this tiny. change in CO2 if we go if we get below. 02 plant Life Starts dying up so um let.

me ask uh Mr boy what are a lot of your. vehicles tier 4 already or the vehicles. that you know about in the industry yes. all right so that's the cleanest burning. diesel equipment you can get right yes. sir all right about Mr Dreer what do you. think yes okay so why would anybody be. anxious to go out and change out all. those vehicles that you've been. upgrading in my home state of California. carb has eliminated lots of equipment. trucks you know we're going to be we're.

down at least 70,000. truckers and all because they don't make. a mandate for 20 2011 a newer vehicle. and so it's going to be harder to get. things from the ports all this all that. so um anyway I just wanted to underline. that as we all get all giddy about. trying to make everything electric. especially in my home state when they're. shutting down the power grip and taking. out hydroelectric dams and they barely. kept in place the nuclear power plant. for an additional five years which is 9%. of our grid I don't know how we're going. to do this I don't know how you guys are.

going to do construction out remote. areas where there isn't power lines yet. nearby or what have you in order to. charge this stuff maybe you'll bring. generators so. anyway yeah it's a mess so interesting. right you see these people that that's. why we're working so hard to remove. carbon from the air and she doesn't even. know it yep she doesn't know what he. just said you know yes but she's she'll. tell you that 49% of that. 0.4 or 04 comes from trucks yes yes.

comes from. Transportation look I think there's a. even more basic problem. okay the problem is the Chinese and the. Indians we can we can we can go to a. post-industrial society and all live you. know growing beets in the United States. and Europe they're not going to stop. building car you know Coal Fired plants. they haven't stopped building them maybe. they will promise to stop building them.

the Europe basically if you look at a. graph Europe is like a tiny fraction of. the world's CO2 right now okay us we. still admit a lot but the Chinese admit. a lot more and I think the Indians are. on track to pass us if they haven't. passed this already so we can destroy. our own economies and it won't make that. much difference. unfortunately that's a real problem we. are really concentrating on climate and. we're really concentrating on our impact.

but we also have to be concentrating on. what other countries are doing and our. ability to economically compete with. them and be sustainable that's one of. the really important things that we. should have probably learned from the. pandemic when we couldn't get stuff. that's right like yeah you couldn't get. anything from overseas because they. couldn't there Co lock we do not want to. be in the pockets of of the Chinese. they're not necessarily our friends I. mean well yeah we are we are listen we. can have a decent relationship with them.

what they've done is so clever but. that's yeah we depend on them for. everything it's amazing it's not it's. not a good position to be in but that's. what makes people really cynical about. these relationships these countries have. they're kind of enemies but kind of not. you know they're competing but they're. also you know selling each other's stuff. and their economies rely on each other. economic sanctions is the most ating. yeah I think we'd be mistaken to depend. too much on the Chinese right now so but. but but just go all the way back like.

don't scare your kids no don't scare the. [ __ ] out of people but Al but how do you. not scare the [ __ ] out of them while. making them aware at the same time. they're two kind of different things but. but don't tell your kids the world's. going to end in 50 years that's all. nonsense well that was that was wasn't. that what Greta thorberg was saying in. 2015 yeah the idea that you can predict. how this is going to go down seems nutty. but really we need to concentrate on. some stuff that we absolutely can. control and one of them is uh Plastics.

in the ocean like the these people that. are doing a great job of trying to. figure out methods to sift that stuff. out just the sheer knowledge of how much. is out. there yes do you know a lot of our stuff. apparently um we used to think that when. you recycled that everything gets. recycled but apparently uh they don't do. such a good job recycling plastic they. just use it put in landfills and. sometimes they ship it to other places. hey you guys take it we don't I know.

nothing about but I believe you yeah. there's horrific horrific imagery and. videos of uh other countries where. they're just dumping their waste into a. river and you see these Riv river. systems that are just completely clogged. by plastic bottles and garbage. Ando humans are so [ __ ] weird we're. so weird we need the aliens to save us. Joe no we need to get it together I but. I do think if I was an alien I would be. watching I I think if I had a guess if I.

had to put my you know my chips on. whether or not it's real or not real I. would think yes it's real I think there. I think there most likely we've been. observed most likely we've been visited. multiple times why wouldn't they if they. have the capability we'd be. fascinating also I think some of the. stuff we're seeing is hours I think both. of those things could be true at the. same time and I think one of the ways. that again I would obscure whether or. not we have stuff like that is to start.

talking about. aliens that just seems like common chess. moves I like oh I see where you're going. you know if you just all of a sudden you. you got whistleblowers and all of a. sudden you're telling me that all this. stuff is real like okay now I'm. suspicious I was less suspicious when. you were lying about it you know when. you were lying about it I was like oh. they're hiding the aliens they're hiding. it but now they're talking about like oh. you guys probably are still hiding the. aliens but you probably back engineered.

some [ __ ] or develop some stuff on some. completely independent government funded. Black Ops branch of physics where they. knew something about magnetic propulsion. or something and they've developed some. unmanned drone that can go Hypersonic. speeds what do you think they look like. aliens well if you want to uh go back to. the old CIA doctor ments cuz there are. documents that George knp and Jeremy. Corbell have uncovered from the Freedom. of Information Act where they they said. there was four different races that were.

visiting. us yeah and some of them are the classic. Grays and some of them are what they. call the tall whites they look like. Nordic people like really pale skinned. and long hair and they have their ears. are like flat to their head and they. have larger eyes than we do but they. look almost like humanoid huh yeah but I. mean who [ __ ] El was you know this is. all just nonsense talk it's like like. what kind of elves do you believe in you. know oh I don't believe in leprechauns.

but the regular wood elves are real you. know I don't know man I don't know I. haven't seen one I can't I I would die. to see one I mean I be fascinating I'd. be I'd be willing to not tell. people like take me show me I want to. know but everybody thinks that way right. everybody wants to know but until you. see something and if you do see. something you're going to go what did I. [ __ ] see is that real like how. reliable is my goddamn memory you know. like did I just have like some internal.

burst of psychedelic chemicals and it. tricked me into thinking that I'd been. abducted that's a good all good question. well that's a real question too because. a lot of these alien abduction stories. they happen at night and when people are. sleeping and dreaming there occasionally. people get sleep paralysis that's a real. factor and then dreams elves people have. lucid dreams they have dreams that. appear that they're real they have like. different levels of dreams like some. medications you take give you wild vivid.

dreams yes we know that right so what is. happening there well there's obviously. some sort of neurochemicals that get. released during sleep that appear to be. if not hallucinogenic maybe they're. definitely psychedelic what are they. doing are they connecting your. Consciousness with some other realm like. what is going on and I can imagine if. you were you know you had one of these. indous dumps of these naturally produced. psychoactive substances and you're lying.

in bed you would see [ __ ] aliens over. you but does that mean that the aliens. aren't real I don't know that either. because it might that might be how they. get to you look at the bottom paragraph. the uh ICI office did nothing to look. into the information they received from. David grush on UAP crash retrieval. programs they have no information they. can give to Congress cover up up this is. representative Tim berett he calls cover. up it's posted the two-page letter that.

the. iig. Thomas monheim monheim is his name who. was working with David gush I think. interesting and their claim is that they. haven't done anything they're not. looking into the claims at all. interesting well maybe they're not. allowed to if there was a crash. retrieval program I would imagine I. would say shut the [ __ ] up no you can't. look at it if there's some UFO that we. have and if we find out look how do you. know how are those people working for. you whether or not someone's been taking.

money from Russia or taking money from. China or taking money from Iran aliens. how do you know how do you know there. might be some guy that works for you. that's a spy you can't let everybody. come in and see the UFO it's on a need. to know basis so you deny them no I. think everyone needs to know if it's a. UFO I don't know when they cover it up. now I'm starting to think they're real. I think what would it matter if they a. spy SL like hey they have something I. mean maybe they could take pictures and. send it to them and they could start. reverse engineering they could explain.

it if someone explained how maybe they. don't know how to get it to to work and. then one person figured out how to get. it to work okay that's the whole bobazar. lore the whole Bob laar lore was that. they um hired him to be a propulsions. expert to go and back engineer this. thing because they didn't know how it. worked and then initially he was like oh. that makes sense the reason why people. keep seeing those they're ours okay and. then very quickly as he examined the. thing he's like what what the [ __ ] is. this this thing designed to carry three.

foot tall people that operates on some. sort of gravity generator from an. element that we haven't even stabilized. yet and it's only theoretical at that. point so that's what he says oh this is. but I had to take you down this road. because I know you're like one of those. guys that calls [ __ ] on things and I. know you're paying attention to it. because it's everywhere w. I'm very covid focused really yeah I. mean I I'm vaguely aware but just. vaguely I would say just vaguely I mean.

I'm suing I'm busy suing the government. I understand I understand are you. worried when you do stuff like that n no. I mean we're all in the NSA database I I. haven't done anything that interesting. you're definitely in the NSA database. yeah no but but we all are so um you. know what does that mean what does it. mean exactly I mean. so uh I'm not that worried I I. mean. I'm I'm.

honestly it'd be more likely that uh. that fizer would be interested in me but. but but they're not going to do anything. anyway either way I mean you know it's. like the these are court cases you yeah. you you make your best case they hire. really expensive lawyers they make their. best case and it doesn't seem like they. ever really face criminal charges that's. right nobody nobody they face fines. that's right nobody really goes to jail. if you're a senior corporate executive. you don't go to jail so it's so so why. do anything that could actually get you. in trouble like what's yeah what's.

really fascinating is that you know they. they the criminal charges they get hit. with are often less than the profits. they made that's right that's right. that's true of both F you know Eli Lily. I which is a company that I covered when. I was at the New York Times I mean this. is a funny thing like these people on. the left they want to they want to. pretend that I'm some kind of conspiracy. theories I'm the same reporter I was. when I worked at the New York Times and. covered the drug industry and wrote. these stories this is why I'm so aware. of the games the companies play because. I've been writing about it for so long.

when you worked in the New York Times. what year was this this was 99 through. 2010 I worked there could you ever. imagine that journalism would be where. it's at now no but now as a person who. was there on the inside of the gray lady. like what was did you notice a shift. while you were there there was a there. was a slight shift not a look I was a. bus bus reporter okay I was an. investigative business reporter they. never told me don't write about this or. do write about this I mean sometimes. they told me do write about this but. they never told me you know don't do.

this it might offend you know the. Democratic party or whatever you know. that's not that's not how it worked and. and I remember going to Iraq for the. paper and coming back and some guy sent. me I was in Las Vegas actually in 2003. and some guy I think I was getting my. shoe shine the guy next to me getting. his shoe shine said oh it must be hard. to work for the New York Times when they. tell you to make things up up and I I. said I was in Iraq and like I put my. life on the line for that place and for. to get to the truth like you don't know. what you're talking about and so so that.

was really like a responsibility and a. trust that I felt to try to get to the. truth what happened people were always. cynical even back then oh yeah they were. cynical but they were but they were more. wrong then what happened was that Trump. got elected okay Trump got elected and. it broke the American Media because I. couldn't believe that the United States. elected this guy instead of Hillary. Clinton they all wanted Hillary Clinton. certainly and you know and especially. younger female reporters at the paper. want and she was also projected to win.

that's right so it was like there's I. think I I don't know if I said this to. you some previous time I was here but. there's this famous onion headline I'll. never forget from 2015 Hillary Clinton. tells Nation not to [ __ ] it up for her. and that's how it felt right like like. I'm going to be elected whether you want. me to be or not right do you think we. would have been better off as a culture. if she got elected oh that's an. interesting question do you think that. the the separation the polarization of. the right and the left wouldn't have. been so bad if she won she was projected.

to Wi this stuff was happening anyway. right but I wonder if that was cuz Trump. is such a polarizing figure that I think. that was the Tipping Point yeah maybe. maybe we would I don't know but she. didn't win he won right and and he and. the media not if you listen to some. interviews oh that's right that's right. that's right said he was illegitimate. that's right that's right but when yes. Russia hacked our elections that's right. remember that I do remember that that. used to be okay to say but he but he the. media hated him yeah and and he used.

their hate and their hate got worse and. worse and they became openly partisan in. a way they hadn't been in I don't know. in a hundred years yeah so it was weird. it's weird it's weird and it just it. doesn't seem like it's ever going to. bounce back and if he wins again Jesus. louises what is going to happen I don't. know what's going to happen next year I. mean he could be in prison there's a. real chance he could be in prison and. win I don't know what that looks like. bananas if he goes to jail for the. crimes that they're accusing him of uh.

how long we talking about for this well. the Georgia stuff he could do 20 years. oh my goodness imagine he's he's. governing the country from his cell. block would they allow him to have like. access to phones and [ __ ] I think I mean. I think he'd have to be the president I. mean I think I think there'd be enormous. pressure to to let him out under those. circumstances and then put him back in. once he gets out that's a great question. I mean it's it's Unthinkable now the. federal stuff he could pardon himself. for it seems pretty clear he can pardon. himself there's a debate about this but.

he could also direct the justice. department to drop the uh prosecutions. but the state stuff he can't State stuff. he doesn't control so it it's crazy and. and and I've increasingly concluded that. it was a huge mistake to indict him they. should have presented the information. and because the he this is a political. issue not a legal issue the political is. issue is does the country want him as. president if it wants him as president. it'd be different okay if you said he. murdered somebody or he committed. Espionage this is.

all no nobody really is accusing him of. crimes like that so so the idea that he. might be in jail and the country might. have to vote in an election where one of. the candidates is in is in prison is. crazy it was I was listening to a. conversation that Dennis Prager had and. uh I forget he was talking to oh David. Pacman and they they're having a. conversation about the election and one. of the things that Prager said that I. thought was really interesting like if. you knew that Hitler was an incredibly.

evil person and you knew that you could. stop this person from getting into Power. by manipulating the election it would be. your moral imperative to do so and that. a lot of people viewed Trump like that. that's right that's right and that's. that's a real thing and that's and I. think they do right now like if the will. of the people is that he becomes. president the rest of the people that. don't agree with that will go into a. [ __ ] Fury a fury yes if he becomes.

president again like God what is going. to happen no it'll be terrible but if he. is if he's in jail and can't campaign. his supporters are going to think it's. terrible yeah they're going to think. it's unfair that way the whole thing. from top to bottom is just [ __ ]. Bonkers it's Bonkers all the scenarios. are Bonkers president Kamala I can't. stand him and people you know I lose. substack report views whenever I say. that but I don't like Donald Trump but I. do think that he like the way the left.

is behaving towards him is not wise yeah. it's it's like telling someone to shut. the [ __ ] up you ever tell someone to. shut the [ __ ] up they don't want to shut. the [ __ ] up the only reason why they. shut the [ __ ] up you tell them to shut. the [ __ ] up is like a threat of violence. that's right or if they realize they. really [ __ ] up and they just like take. a moment of reflection but most of the. time you tell people to shut the [ __ ] up. they're like you know you shut the [ __ ]. up that's right they get mad they don't. it's not it doesn't work you know it's. like when you think you can just hit. somebody cuz you saw it in a movie no. they're going to hit you back they might. beat the [ __ ] out of you they might wait.

for you after school one day and kick. your ass they're not going to just take. it like people don't just and when you. do something like that where you just. try to silence your opponent and try to. jail your opponent on what some people. think are trumped up charges no pun. intended that's that makes people. Furious it emboldens empowers the other. side unfortunately that's just how it. goes you know it's like what we're. talking about the Dei stuff it's like. you force stuff down people's throats.

and they get angry at it like this is. the [ __ ] out of here with this yep when. you make people take vaccines they get. angry they get angry they go and it it. emboldens them and and it enforces their. idea that other people are out to get. them and that's real dangerous it's real. dangerous when we think like that it's. real dangerous and we got to be very. careful. got to be very careful about that. because we don't want a [ __ ] Civil. War and I just think we're almost like. at this point where there's parts of one.

side that hate parts of the other side. so much both sides is true mhm yeah. that's why I didn't pick a left or a. right it's like it's both sides it's. it's like there's evil on the right. there's evil on the left it's just. humans it's humans in groups you get. enough of us together in a group certain. percentage are just going to be [ __ ]. [ __ ] so what do you think is going. to happen you know a year from now one. year from now we'll be right up to the. election yeah I don't know I don't know.

and I'm I'm not. happy know I'm I'm also it's like. fascinating watching RFK Jr not get um. secret service protection yeah that's. weird that's it's weird it's gross like. how is that even a thing that they. Hunter bid gets it and he doesn't how. could they deny him that yeah I mean and. then there was some guy showed up. heavily armed who pretended on the. security detail just a Nutter yeah yeah. yeah not good none of it's good it's not. good it's like but you see these power.

struggles and you see these power. dynamics and it just doesn't take into. account it's like concentrating on. short-term Victory right short-term. Victory is win the election at all cost. but it's con it's not looking at the big. picture of the future of the nation if. you choose to bend the rules cuz it's. like the rules are the reason why we're. great it's a big part of why this is. such an amazing place is the freedom of. speech and if you're going to social.

media companies and you're the. government you're having them release or. or delete things that are accurate. that's not good for the nation it's not. good for all of us it's not good for. human beings as a whole it's not good. for the country that you live in as a. person doing that making that decision. it's not good for all of us well you're. not going to have to convince me of this. I obviously so but I mean look my case. you know it's in an earlier there's two. there's two big cases there's my case. and there's Missouri V Biden which is so. Missouri the state of Missouri and the.

state of Louisiana sued uh you know over. social media censorship and they did. that in the Western District of. Louisiana and they got a favorable. ruling in July and then the fifth. circuit which is just one level below. the Supreme Court you know it's several. States um in the South uh basically. upheld that ruling in it was about 10. days ago and now the Biden. Administration has has appealed to the. Supreme Court and what the fifth circuit. has said is we don't want uh senior.

officials in the Biden Administration. including including the same people who. I've sued um uh talking to social media. companies and trying to pressure them. when you they they've gone too far and. and here's what's really interesting. about this joke because so what the. Biden Administration says is we're not. forcing anything We're Not Making. explicit threats against anybody we're. just saying this is what we think should. be on your platforms and this is.

dangerous to let people talk about the. problems with the vaccines because it. discourages people from getting. vaccinated that's dangerous to them we. don't like that and you know famously. Biden said in July 2021 you're killing. people those were his words the. platforms are killing people by allowing. people like me to talk about problems or. potential problems with the vaccines. okay now from my point of you I've. basically been proven right in terms of. most of the concerns that I raised now. we could argue about that but the truth. is it doesn't matter whether I was right.

or wrong I'm an American I have the. right to express myself and Twitter was. my platform to do that it was my biggest. journalistic Outlet so trying to get. Twitter to ban me it's one thing maybe. if you if you you know if you just talk. generally about what you want to see but. what's clear is that the Biden. Administration went way past that this. is what the what really comes out when. you read and of course I've read the.

rulings in the Missouri V Biden case and. of course my own stuff is that is that. they pushed for months and months and. really years until really 2021 2022 they. they put a lot of pressure on these. companies and they're and the White. House is powerful and the companies have. a lot of interests Beyond on you know me. or other users and what we're allowed to. say they have interests in Europe they. have interests uh with Section 230 which. is this provision that enables them not.

to get sued for the content that they. carry and so at some point even if. you're not making an explicit threat of. you better take this guy off or you're. going to pay the companies hear that. they hear what you're saying without you. saying it and that's what the fifth. circuit ruling basically says and that's. my argument I I mean my argument goes. past that actually because I have you. know I have evidence that I that that. the White House explicitly quote unquote.

asked why I was allowed to be on Twitter. I mean that's in black and white but the. point is it's and this is the analogy. because I think everybody gets this when. you get pulled over and the and the cop. says can you get out of your car for me. I really need you to get out can you get. out for me please that's not really a. question at some point that's a demand. and so and. so it is not right for the government to. try to stifle me or anyone else that way.

and that you know that's at the core of. Baron V Biden and and it's broadly you. know at the core of Missouri V Biden and. in a perfect world what they would do is. ask you how you came to this conclusion. and what's the data show us or an imp. perfect I mean the the you did you did. base it on data yeah absolutely no you. know look the White House they're the. most powerful organization in the world. they can say whatever they want they. have a tri you know a billion dollar. advertising budget they can the the.

president or anybody on the covid team. can call the New York Times at any time. and express their point of view they. don't need to shut me up whether what. I'm saying is right or wrong true or. false they don't need to shut me up and. it's against my constitutional rights. for them to do so and that is wrong and. by the way I was right and they were. wrong and the vacines have basically. failed and that's why nobody wants to. take them anymore but that actually is. almost. irrelevant yeah it's just it's a strange.

time when it comes to this because. really there was never social media. before like the Obama Administration. that's right right it's this is really a. new thing but and it became what it. really became during the Trump. Administration became this like Boiling. Pot yes and during. because preo I would have just been an. ex New York Times Reporter and I. wouldn't have had any audience at all. that's what they don't like they don't. like you because you have an audience.

they can't control you you they don't. like me because I have a half million. people on Twitter and more you know back. then who would retweet me and really. wanted to hear what I had to say because. and they couldn't control it and it was. free to me right I didn't have to pay. Twitter was just an audience and a voice. and they don't like that and that's a. real problem if you're tell telling the. truth that's what's crazy it's like. we're not talking about someone who's. advocating for violence we're not. talking about someone who's trying to. take down the the government no we're.

just talking about someone who's. advocating for truth you're just talking. about truth and if you've got a. government that's trying to stop truth. like that's they shouldn't be doing that. they just shouldn't be doing that. everyone should know they shouldn't be. doing that they they they and you know. these are documents that have come out. they knew knew that that people like me. were the biggest problem because they. what they didn't you know if you're out. there saying like oh the vaccine is. going to make your foot fall off or.

whatever stuff that's obviously untrue. people know you know they're going to. disregard that but if you have me saying. look at the cdc's own statistics and. make a judgment for yourself whether. this makes sense for those conclusions. or are you just doing math based on I'm. just doing math based on their data so. it's not their conclusions but it's data. that is what they know is the biggest. problem for them because because they. can't say I'm lying they can't say it's. false all they can say is it's.

misinformation misinformation just means. information that we don't like well that. isn't that Mal information like true. information that's bad for so so there's. Miss dis and Mal yeah what is Mal. exactly so my joke about this was Mal. is Mal is just the third thing because. they need three things. but the difference between Miss and Mal. can be kind of hard to distinguish Miss. technically I. think can be false whereas Mal is not.

ever false but it is taken out of. context it's stupid it's all stupid or. dangerous or or dangerous somehow. another dangerous to the country as a. whole or something like that that's Mal. yes let's hear what it says Mal's. purposeful I think is the difference Mal. information is truth used to inflict. harm on a person organization or country. see but that's like what does that mean. if you if like you could say okay but. they're saying examples of Mal. information include fishing catfishing. and. doxing H okay okay well if that's it but.

if you but but but if you broadly Define. it as it could do harm to an. organization like information that could. do harm to an. organization so so where do so how do. they Define misinformation then if Mal. information is truth. misinformation so. misinformation incorrect or misleading. so that can be true too certainly. misleading can be true it could be. misleading but you could take something. out of context or it could be someone.

could be saying you could be using a. part of something like you could say. this does this but the reason why I. cancels itself out is because there's. also this that and that happening so you. might say the one thing only and that's. misin that's called making a case right. yeah. well disinformation refers to false. inform intended to manipulate cause. damage or guide. people organizations and countries in. the wrong direction I love that wrong. direction that's pretty orwellian yeah.

Malin information revers to information. that stems from the truth but is often. exaggerated in a way that misleads and. causes potential harm Oh you mean like. climate change well I like isn't that. kind of Mal information then like a lot. of the discourse on climate change like. if you go back to An Inconvenient Truth. would that be considered Mal information. so so there so there okay so this is. actually something I did not know Mal. information is defined as intent as. meant to cause harm okay harm to who.

like like the information I shared was. intent to cause harm to fizer's profits. right that you could decide that that's. Mal information because that's you're. trying to cause harm which is just. Bonkers right so so this is why you know. that so we so so next so I filed uh. Baron Biden in April the uh fizer and. the justice department and Andy slavit. his lawyer that there are three separate. motions to dismissed that came back. about uh three weeks ago we now have to.

file our responses which we do in. October meanwhile the Supreme Court is. going to hear the Missouri V Biden. appeal which is of course of great. importance to my case too because if the. Supreme Court says that some of the. people in my case violated the First. Amendment obviously we're going to say. to the judge in my case look look what. the Supreme Court just ruled you know. this is you know very powerful ruling. from our point of view so we'll see what. happens.

interesting it's a very important case. you know as is uh the case was it. Missouri the the case yes yeah where. they said that the federal government is. no longer. allowed to explain that so okay so so. this yes there's another case came out. of Texas so Texas said Texas passed a. law saying that um Twitter and the. really big social media companies can't. uh censor content they have to allow all. content and the company sued and said.

that violates our first amendment rights. we have to be allowed to choose what. we're going to carry or not now now. their defense though isn't part of that. because of Advertiser Revenue yeah like. that's the big thing that's the wasn't. that the discussion that was going on. recently about the Facebook ad Fallout. yes that these companies come to them. and they say unless you police your. website you can no longer have our. advertising I honestly this is a very. complicated question legally okay. because the companies do want to be able.

to curate content they want you know if. you're Facebook it's a business that's. right and they want engagement so they. want to show you stuff that you want to. see especially Facebook that's their. model so that if you're going to. regulate these guys like telephone. companies basically what you're going to. say is everything that everybody posts. has to be allowed and and I I can see. the arguments on both sides of that my. case and the Missouri V Biden case are. to me they're very different and the. reason is we're not saying hey Facebook.

or Twitter you have to carry everything. we're saying the government can't tell. you what to carry and not to carry the. Texas case this separate case this third. case that says you guys have to carry. everything that's where it gets weird. right that's where it gets weird yes CU. then you have to decide okay are these. social media platforms are they a town. hall that everyone should be able to. participate in or are they a private. company that can dictate what's on their. platform especially if not doing so.

hurts their financial bottom line that's. right and I and I think that's a hard. question again are they you know the. AT&T if you if you make a phone call. they don't get to you know you can say. racist antia whatever you want to say. like they carry your phone call yeah. that's what's interesting is like would. if there was no stepping in would the. market figure it out like would sites. like rumble or these other like social. media platforms that choose not to.

moderate that heavily right would they. rise now you know a lot of people. thought that was going to happen with. threads right like people were tired of. all the hate speech that was on Twitter. now X and they said you know what we're. going to go over to threads y but it. didn't it didn't work people seem to. want a more open platform they want. Twitter they don't want they don't want. had established followers and all this. stuff over there and it's just it was. convenient to [ __ ] over there so many. people like I'm out of here and then two. weeks later I go to their account [ __ ].

you post every day that's right that's. right um no Twitter for whatever reason. we don't seem to be able to quit Twitter. it's it's very powerful it's also people. that don't like the fact that Elon Musk. bought it because it seems so outrageous. this guy just spent $44 billion doar to. own Twitter like what a. nut but but you gotta get them back on. oh yeah I'd love to paying for it might. be not a fun idea no I I don't know. that's gonna work it seems odd for. everybody I mean yeah everybody has to.

pay that's what he's saying now I wonder. how much that would cost I mean I. presume he'd charge a dollar or two a. month who knows if he's going to if he's. going to do it if you could just watch. ads to pay for your monthly thing maybe. that's a way to pay for it back but yes. yeah wild what a time I'm happy to pay. my eight bucks a month it's fine yeah. yeah I pay I just feel like I'm using it. yeah it's it's a resource I learned so. much on it there's so many articles that. I find that I never would have found so. many really fascinating things about. everything about space ancient history.

like so many things that I find out. Twitter yes or X now it's can we yeah. can we not call it X it's Twitter it's. I'm never going to forget it's always. going to be Twitter I guess eventually. I'll but just a all right without. Twitter like I wouldn't have had the. voice that I had right and so and and I. think that's a good I mean I think it's. good that that it exists well the crazy. thing is you got back on Twitter before. Elon even bought it yeah I did I sued my. War back on that's right which is Banas.

that you won in court against Twitter. against Twitter well now now but now I'm. going up against fiser and the. government I just decided to took it up. another level yeah you're a. maniac just glutton for punishment. stress jeez I got a good lawyer I. believe you that's why I don't want to. interview anymore president presential. candidates I'm like I don't even want to. be a part of this cookiness I I I wanted. to talk to Robert Kennedy Jr because I. read his book and I was fascinated did. you interview have you interviewed.

santis or Vic or any of those guys none. of them I interviewed Bernie back in the. day and Tulsa um and Andrew Yang I'd. like all of them I I like people with. ideas that are you know non-corporate. ideas y I just don't know if it would. ever work this is the thing if I was. ever going to talk to Trump the one. question i' really want to know was like. what is it like when you get in there. like what is that like what is that day. like what does it feel like when you're. just running the show like what the [ __ ]. happens who talks to you I I guess you.

couldn't even tell me right because he. wants to be president again but like. what do they say like how do you [ __ ]. how do you pay attention to everything. the idea that one person is in charge of. the whole thing is just so nuts I don't. know how you can do. that he didn't that's funny CU I don't. see see him as having a problem with. that part of. it but I would you know like we have. this illusion of what it's like you know. you know the old Bill Hicks joke they.

bring you into a room full of uh guys. smoking cigars and they show you uh a. video of the angle of a presidential. Kennedy assassination that you've never. seen before and then they go any. questions and you're like yeah what's my. agenda that's what he it's like what. happens when you get in there right like. this is how much power do you really. have like what is what is that what what. is reality like versus perception I'd be. interested in hearing. that but you'd have to listen to a lot.

of other stuff I'd listen to a lot of. other stuff I'm willing to listen to. stuff I'm. curious but yeah I'll tell you who. you'll never have on is Biden they. wouldn't let him near. you that would be. fascinating I would feel bad I would. feel bad just because of you know he's a. human being he's a human being. regardless of his past he's in a. declining State it's yes obvious yes and. that's just you know he's too old to be. the president of the United States so.

who do they run do you think if he. doesn't make it do they run Gavin Nome. because he said no KLA Harris would take. the the spot I mean Nome certainly fits. the role Nome or Gretchen Whitmer you. know like I I don't like either of them. but they certainly are viable candidates. but you'd have to get someone who's. popular enough to defeat Trump and who's. a strong enough of a politician and. that's where I think Nome steps in I. mean he looks like a president he's tall. handsome yeah a strong personality he's. very articulate like the way he lays.

things out he knows how to steamroll you. with facts and statistics that and even. if they're true yeah it doesn't matter. no no he he's a politician yeah yeah. it's a really good one yeah so that's. that's probably who I would imagine they. would run even though California is a. mess but California I think would have. been a mess with anybody running it. during Co I think it was [ __ ]. disaster soon as you started the. lockdowns you let people camp in the. streets and you [ __ ] the crime [ __ ]. and the being lenient on bail oh boy and. the defund the police oh boy yeah it's a.

mess like cleaning that up boy I do not. envy anybody there there there are. viable Democratic candidates again like. Nome Whitmer I I mean not Cuomo anymore. uh I mean I guess you'd have to start. from right now yeah they'd have to. already be out there on the campaign. Trail because you people have to really. get to know them and like we're we're in. September of 2023 we only got a year. left yeah no it's and it is funny with. with with Dan santis you know I really.

like the way he handled Florida during. Co I think he's smart but he has not. connected with the voters at all people. just don't seem to like him also as soon. as he's running against Trump the the. Trump or or bust people are not on board. because then he becomes the enemy and. that's just a sizable chunk of the. opposition yep the people that are in. opposition to the current party there's. a sizable trunk Trump uh chunk rather. are Trump loyalists yeah and if you go. against that like that's just not a good.

strategy it's like I understand you want. to be your president but like you to see. the landscape if Mike Tyson's the champ. and you know you're just coming out of. the Olympics wait a few years bro get. some fights under your belt you know. like that guy is just kind of. Unstoppable Trump has there's some. magnetism he has for all these people. yeah it's it's I don't I don't. understand it but it's. real you know you're not supposed to say. it because you're supposed to be in.

opposition of you hate him and all this. stuff but it's clearly obvious he's got. like this Cult of Personality that they. don't have it's like a he's a giant. figure yeah when you see when he showed. up at the UFC in Miami it was bananas oh. so you that's right you've seen him up. close so first of all I've shook his. hand on multiple two two occasions now. he has regular siiz. hands so all that is crazy all that's. crazy cuz I have pretty big hands he has. regular siiz hands and I was like this.

is crazy all these years they mocked him. for having little hands he doesn't have. little hands at all that's why it's so. strange that's great and by the way how. gross to mock someone for something they. were born with like that's so anti. liberal and anti-progressive like why. are you doing that why you doing that. that's funny that's such a crazy thing. to do like the one thing that he can't. control what about his personality what. about all the things he says if you want. to get mad at him get mad at him for the. things that you're really changeable but. so okay he's got the normal size but so.

so does he he does he have this. magnetism well he's very very very. famous and part of people's. dissatisfaction with the current regime. right especially people's. dissatisfaction if you see you know. Biden's state of decline regardless of. how you feel about the policies and most. people aren't even engaged they don't. even understand what's going on whether. or not it's beneficial to people whether. or not there are more jobs and whether. or not the economy is because there's. arguments that it is moving in a good. direction right there's arguments that. some of the policies work yep but they. look at him as a figurehead and they say.

this is bad and then they really believe. because he said it so many times that. the election was rigged they really. believe it I a lot of them really. believe it it's like I was in I was in. Aspen and this lady uh she she's like. I'm a big fan of yours like this uh. Grandma lady I said Thank you and you. know that Trump's our president I go. well actually he's not cuz president is. Biden if you can Google it you can find. out like oh they got to you I go oh no. they didn't get to me I just like he's. actually in the white.

house he won I don't know if he won you. don't know if he won no no no I'm not. saying that I'm just saying he he's. definitely in the White House yes now. whether or not there's any election. manipulation I am not the one to [ __ ]. come to for any of that but I would. guarantee you that it's not zero I would. guarantee you that in the course of. human history this probably never been. an election where there's zero election. fraud there's always some Monkey. Business going on but I've seen no. evidence I mean maybe they'll show it if. this trial comes about that that shows.

that he should I mean maybe I should go. seek it out I mean maybe no he didn't my. line about this and I'm going to stick. with this is that he lost unfair and. square in other words the media was. against him when people what people are. responding to is this idea that you know. Corporate America was against him that. everybody in power including a lot of. Republicans I think wanted him out they. couldn't stand that's right they. couldn't no really they couldn't stand. him anymore sure so but that is. different than the election was.

manipulated and votes were taken from. right and then the the Dominion stuff. about it's hor [ __ ] yeah it seems. like it seems like it's really hard hard. to sort out too cuz there's so many. different cases and so many different. states and all these different people. hard to I mean that I don't mean that. what I'm saying is like it's when you. are tallying mailin votes digital votes. all these different things and and they. have projections for these places one of.

the things that uh Kyle Kingsbury showed. me or excuse me uh Kyle kinsky Jesus hi. Kyle Kingsburg long time buddy uh Kyle. kolinsky showed me is that when we we. had him on during the election and he. accurately predicted he said yes Trump. is winning because these are the people. that show up up first but you're going. to see the Democratic surge for the. mailin when they count those yep and. that's exactly what happened because. he's very politically aware he. understands how it works yep I don't I.

don't dispute any of that what what I'm. saying is it would be wonderful if we. had a system where it was bulletproof it. would be wonderful if we had a system. where it was impossible to have anything. other than 0% election fraud I don't. know if that's even realistic of course. but if we did but we can Bank on our. phones we can Bank on the internet right. you know there's there's like Federal. IDs that are connected to you and this. idea that IDs for voting is somehow.

racist is so bananas I agree with that. this is that's what I mean I mean like. there was a documentary that HBO had on. in [ __ ] like the early 90s called. hacking democracy do you remember that. it was during the Bush Administration. and they were making this argument that. bush didn't really win and they were. making this argument that you could. manipulate the voting machine so they. actually this was a diebold machine I. believe and they actually showed that it. was somehow or another there was it was. available for a third party input huh.

and they did it on the show and changed. a vote on the show and it's like oh my. God but it was about the Republicans. right so it was okay then and all right. so now I'm going to play the other side. here some of these sentences that have. been handed out in the January 6th cases. are. insane wild it's 20 years years 17 years. the the 22 years the guy wasn't even in. uh he wasn't at the capital at the time. he's getting he's getting a terrorism. enhancement I mean come on yeah this is.

it's pretty wild it's pretty wild I'm. not saying that like I'm not defending. what happened you're but but you know a. year two years three years maybe five. years like that's a pretty long prison. sentence yeah for nonviolent I think. they want to make sure that people never. do it again yes you know which is. probably a good thing but also so how. did it happen like why wasn't there more. security there what was up with cops. opening up the gates did you ever see. some of that yeah I mean my my my. understand and I've not paid super close.

attention my understanding is they. basically just got overrun and decided. to back off which is which is a. legitimate like military sort of police. response sure and I don't think those. people were in opposition to the police. and they're probably worried about the. police's safety since they were vastly. outnumbered yeah I think there was some. of that right but also it's super. illegal to get into the capital that to. don't do that like when you got Alex. Jones out there with a bullhorn saying. don't go in and you know that Alex Jones. is the voice of reason that's not a good. sign no but he was right he was saying.

it's a trap and it is ultimately it is. you know and ultimately also they did. break the windows they did CL me they. did again they they should be in jail. but 20 20 years is a long time but the. weird one is that guy with the Buffalo. hat were they like leading him around on. a. tour just like how come he didn't show. that part part yeah yeah that part's. crazy you guys were leading him around. on a tour yes yes it's all what a mess. what a mess yeah also don't do that also. don't do that don't do that don't do.

that don't ever do that don't ever do. that but guys they were going in there. with zip ties looking for Nancy yeah. that was bad too Jesus Christ the guy. that had his foot on the desk he took a. photo of himself hey bro how do you. think that's going to turn out he. [ __ ] but that's the thing they're not. thinking these people aren't thinking. and they really do that's also problem. if you if you've been told and this is. the this is the argument against what. Trump did right was that if you've been. told the election is rigged and you. you're not showing like clear evidence. of it you're just putting that narrative. out there now people they operate as if.

their country's been taken over and the. they think they're Patriots that's right. and they they think they think there's. almost like a god-given. like not a right but an imperative yeah. to do something yeah no then Trump trump. would Trump behaved in a disgusting way. look when your own Vice President says. it you know Mike Pence basically did. everything Trump asked of him for four. years okay and he's come out and said. Trump behaved in the wrong way I I think.

you got to acknowledge that but to go. back to your point the there's a large. group of people in the Republican party. for whom Trump is basically a God and. they will not acknowledge it yeah they. won't just they're scared of them you. know he's the big booming figure that's. at the head of the [ __ ] pack you know. and it's just man man it's so polarizing. for the country it's so it's just I wish. there was two people that we respected. you know or even one or one just two. people that you know like hey I don't.

agree with his policies about this and. that but I think he's a good person and. I think he's really got the best. interest of the country in mind and who. knows maybe their policies are correct. who knows maybe his policies are correct. let's find out but instead of it's like. hell in a hand basket no matter which. way it goes and then my God what if. Biden wins again and beats Trump and and. is 86 in four years and what if people. just like don't believe it's real again.

and it gets worse than January 6th right. what if that happens what if people what. if Trump wins and people decide the. government has been overcome by fascists. and we have to wage war on the. infrastructure and blow up [ __ ]. generators and kill the grid and mean. people are pressing me you're playing. the role of the liberal parent with the. climate changeing me just I'm just. looking at this precarious position in. which we stand while we're also involved. in a proxy war with Russia it's bananas.

it scares the [ __ ] out of me you know. and it and we we're so scared of it that. we'd rather concentrate on things like. climate change like it's almost like. we'd rather concentrate on things that. are like not as terrifying like. immediately like in the distance it's. going to be a real problem we can focus. on it now now it's like got our choices. just just don't get your kids vaccinated. with the mrnas the other vaccines fine. don't get your kids vaccinated with the. covid vaccines it's not good for them.

yeah and take some vitamins people V. please exercise a little bit it's not. going to kill you that's it it's a good. place to end yeah I think so thank thank. you and thank you for having the courage. to talk about this stuff I mean it's. it's amazing that a lot of the things. that you got in trouble with early in. the pandemic are now uh. absolutely regarded as fact and. discussed openly in mainstream circles. like uh Dr Lena W was on CNN which is. the most mainstream thing out there and.

she was saying that the estimates of. covid deaths was probably actually 30%. of what was reported which is a crazy. thing when she said it you could see the. look on the people's face like what the. [ __ ] is she saying yeah because there's. a lot of discussion now about the lab. leak it's like it's common place to. discuss it it's common place to discuss. the pros and cons of gain of function. research you know the the PE most people. are currently aware that cloth masks. don't work at all yep most people are.

currently aware when was the last time. you heard the uh phrase test and Trace. right I don't remember that how about. social distancing that one drove me nuts. that one drove me nuts and everybody. agrees that school closures I mean that. one we all agree disaster should never. happen again shouldn't happen I was. talking about that if there's one thing. I'm proud of I was talking about that in. April of 2020 the schools need to be. reopened so yeah and they were in some. places yeah they were down here that's.

what's crazy you know what's crazy is we. have examples of Florida and Texas and a. lot of other places where they just. opened up Y and they didn't have worse I. mean even though like look we're in a. bad state in terms of like the health of. this country like people are not that. healthy and wasn't that one of the. arguments in one of your sub stxs. recently is it explain that yes oh so so. so the the argument this is just today. these this epidemiologist wrote well. that we have a different rules about the. new covid boosters in other countries.

because we're sicker than other. countries so we have to give people more. mRNA and it's like so wait your argument. is you our Public Health establishment. and Medical Care is so bad that we have. to give people we are giving people. advice that other countries aren't. giving them that have better outcomes. and you want us to take our advice maybe. maybe we should listen to the other. countries where things are going better. for a change maybe maybe instead of. trying to medicate our way out of every. problem we should just tell people go.

for a walk I mean this was one of the. things about lockdowns way back in 2020. right this is a disease that it's it. hurts people who are obese or morbidly. obese the most so maybe the solution is. not to have them sit on their asses for. another 6 months there's also been some. real data about V Vitamin D yep and real. data about how many people it could have. helped yep so it's it's been a long. three years but what's so depressing. just sort of this last thing on like.

they don't seem to have learned anything. that's what the last week taught me. that's why that's why I feel like I. can't stop talking about it they're. doubling down even as the rest of the. world is realizing you know what Co is. not a big deal we need to you know. Reserve these vaccines for people who. are at really high risk the us will not. let it go at least the US public health. establishment will not let it go and the. truth is 98% of the country isn't going. to listen to them but it's still. important to point out that they're full.

of it we have to keep doing that well. thank you for doing that thanks Joe. appreciate you you're you're you're out. there telling the truth and you know in. the beginning you took a lot of [ __ ] for. it you really did and a lot of people. owe you an apology well they're not. giving it to me well they don't have to. you got it I mean you you you know you. deserve it you know you do thanks Joe. thank you all right all right bye. everybody. [Music].