Joe Rogan Experience #2028 - Jermey Corbell & George Knapp

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day hello George Jeremy what's up good. to see you guys hey man the two. musketeers the front lines of UFO. disclosure it is H scary if that's true. Joe I think you guys are I mean you're. you're certainly prominent can I get the. mic turned up on this bad boy yeah.

there's a little thing uh right there. you could hear your own voice there's a. volume knob right there we go we're up. it's exciting times you know it is it's. very exciting times I've said it a few. times that I never thought I would see. it in my life you know I would just keep. plugging away for this is my 36th year. doing this Jason this crazy story I. never thought it would make this much. progress still a long way to go but are. you apprehensive at all that some of the. stuff that they're releasing is. [ __ ] of course of course who who.

Who's releasing I mean when you see. these these the pentagons talking about. it when you know intelligent officials. you ever wonder whether or not it's. disinformation yeah I you want to ahead. so yeah I'll take that first um yeah. I've heard you kind of talk about that a. bunch you know and I think it's a very. healthy suspicion to have uh my. perspective is a little different in. that people are always coming at me with. fake information like every day all the. time but the people in government that.

we have been able to kind of um. interface with I wish there was an adult. in the room I wish that this was. orchestrated through the media it would. give me some sort of hope that someone. has some sort of control on this and. that has not been my experience okay. what is your exper like what are what's. your impression of How It's all. happening it's a big question I I don't. know where to start on that but I just. here's what I know I know that are.

people in government that want some. level of disclosure on whatever this is. without defining it just there should be. oversight so I know that to be true. there are good people that think that. people are running a muck and there must. be oversight not just financially but if. these types of Technologies actually. exist right who's in control of them and. why and who has access to them and why I. mean we have a history of disinformation. and misinformation put out to the public. and to Congress by the intelligence.

Community by the Pentagon they lie all. the time it it comes it's part of the. turf it's part of the job but for them. to then go into closed door briefings. with members of congress with the. oversight committees who handle their. budgets for them to lie about that. that's another matter and I I don't. think they would um because they could. get busted for it a lot of stuff is. coming out now and I I know we get asked. all the time who's behind this push you. know it looks like it's one big movement. uh as opposed to a bunch of different.

things that all happened in. approximately the same time it's kind of. been organic different people have come. forward and it encourages other people. come to come forward as opposed to. somebody doing a master manipulation of. the whole thing what resistance is there. to this information getting. out there's resistance on like multiple. levels so despite what you believe to be. true or not true the the big question is. are we going to be able to verify some. of these claims that that's all I care. about right if we're back engineering.

some of these craft uh then I I believe. that we should we should have the. discovery process to find out if things. like what David grush has said under. oath that he has literally put his. well-being and his safety on the line. for if that is true then we have a duty. to find out so the push back comes from. many levels there's stigma it's [ __ ]. huge dude like it it is political. toxicity for some of these Senators to. even you know people don't want to they. don't want me to say I ever talk with. them it's like a it's like a it's like a.

toxic environment politically the UFO. thing because everybody thinks it's. [ __ ] or you're a loon if you believe. it but not everybody but quite a few. people not just that it doesn't help you. get reelected man and then when you. start poking the bear and going into the. oversight committees and the Senate. intelligence committee and the you know. all these things they're like whoa whoa. whoa this is our territory why are you. as Congress pushing on us why are you. doing that like this is our job we have. clearances so there's that that kind of.

push back too you look back at the. beginning of the coverup you know why. did it happen why did it start well we. if 1947 this gigantic wave of UFOs. suddenly appear you got uh Kenneth. Arnold you got Roswell hundreds of. sightings all over we just come out of. World War II and our military is faced. with a new threat that they really don't. know what the hell it is they start. looking at it and trying to figure it. out but they can't so they sort of. painted themselves into a corner of. secrecy nobody wants to admit if you're. a president or chairman of the Joint. Chiefs or something flying in our.

atmosphere atmosphere and we can't. control it we can't even we can't even. catch it we can't detect it on radar. there's not much we can do then don't. want to admit that secondly I think uh. what was told to me by a a senate. intelligence guy who was a chief staffer. who oversaw black budget operations he. had come out to Area 51 looking into the. Lazar stuff years ago early 90s and he. told me look if this is true if this. coverup is going on if they are. diverting millions of dollars maybe. hundreds of millions of dollars from. legitimate National Security Programs to.

keep this cover up going as he suspected. there were then somebody's going to go. to prison when it comes out they'd go to. prison uh I think you heard we heard. Dave grush speaking before this house. committee uh in late J July in which he. talked about special access programs. hundreds of millions of dollars being. funneled into them nothing ever comes. out Congress has no oversight Congress. doesn't even know they exist that's the. kind of thing you could send somebody to. prison if if and when it comes out and.

then the final reason uh we can't only. speculate about it maybe there really is. a big secret I wonder about it if if I. was told here's the real deal here's. what's going to happen if this comes out. Society will collapse it is so. overwhelming so disturbing that it would. hit the fan that everybody freak out. maybe there is something like that I. don't know um but it it gets dangerous. for us to allow military folks to decide. I can know it but you can't dad can know. but Mom and the kids can't know I I. don't like that you know I'd like to be.

able to know myself I don't like it. either but why do they think that. society would collapse there was a. brooking's institution uh Institute. study that was done in 1960 where they. looked at it and uh well let's say it. was confirmed that we came out and. admitted that extraterrestrials are here. and they speculated in looking at. sociological matters that social. institutions would collapse people would. do people want to still pay their taxes. do they want to go to work it was so so. overwhelming uh the the fact that we a.

lesser species have been discovered by. something more intelligent we know from. human history how that works out when. the Europeans come to North America we. we know what happens to the people who. are already here the less developed. Society they collapsed they were wiped. out um and I think that that was the. projection of that study the only way to. get around that they said is to to. prepare for it over a long period of. time to condition folks to get ready for. it now I don't know if there was ever a. policy where they instituted that but it. kind of looked looks like it all the UFO.

alien movies and TV shows and X Files. this and books and reports and. children's cartoons it almost looks like. we've been conditioned to get ready for. it over the last 60 years when people. talk about the possibility of these. being some sort of Black Ops creation by. the defense department some sort of. weapons. grade drone that moves at insane speeds. with some unknown technology that.

they've developed in. secrecy that kind of falls apart when. you go back to 47 if you go back to 47. and you're seeing these vehicles that. are behaving in a very similar way at. least described in a very similar way. where they just jet off in insane rates. of speed no visible means of propulsion. no. sound that that's the one thing that. brings me back like God they they seem. to act the same at least some of them do.

they seem to be and if we're talking. about 1947 we can really safely assume. that they did not have drone technology. capable of you know super Hypersonic. speeds at that time I'm really glad you. mentioned that because that that is some. that is a big part of the issue here is. like people can just say oh this is. really special projects that are even. being hidden by our own our own. government the thing is the UFO. phenomenon has been Ubi IUS has been.

everywhere in the world and it it's it's. been going on before 1947 so somebody. had that technology now I I I hope I I. do hope we've had some sort of ability. to get derivative Technologies I know. they've been trying to do that if we. believe the core concept that we have. craft that's more advanced than ours. that we're trying to reverse engineer so. the fact you bring that up and I want to. touch on what you just said the. explanation I've been given we've both. been given is that there are true. National security concerns about this.

technology that the cover up or whatever. that it has to do with what will happen. if we make a a breakthrough in this. technology and that can be weaponized so. the secrecy you could say might I mean. some people have convinced us have tried. to convince us that there's real true. National Security issues with this in. that once you admit one thing those next. questions are going to come and maybe we. can't answer those yet we don't know so.

so that's the fear is like it's like the. Oppenheimer movie like you know shit's. been kept pretty secret but stuff has. come out it's like what happens if we. admit the fundamental truth that there. are craft of Unknown Origin that are. more advanced technologically than ours. doesn't matter where they're from what. what happens if we admit that so people. are concerned from my opinion within. government that if they let that out the. followup they're not going to be able to.

deal with this technology has been seen. throughout human history on every. continent in every culture for as far. back as humans have been around uh that. is not our technology that was flying. around. pre-1947 look Dave fraver was here in. this chair Joe talking to you and he. said he talked about the Tic Tac. incident from 2004 as he testified. before Congress in Late July we we. didn't have that technology then to do. what the Tic Tac did we don't have it. now we don't have it if you look back. back at the paper trail this is what got.

me hooked on this topic in the begin. with I I can't go out and find UFOs I I. don't know the cosmic uh meaning of all. this stuff but there is a paper trail. within our government documents memos. reports that were generated by the. Department of Defense before the Freedom. of Information Act existed before they. had to worry about the public ever. seeing these reports those documents. painted pretty clear picture General. Nathan Twining who became chief of the. Air Force he was also the first Air. Force guy to be the uh chairman of the.

joint ches staff he wrote this document. in 1947 the Twining me Memo where he. talks about these things are not. fictitious or V uh imaginary they're. real and they're not ours and we don't. think they're the Russians either it's. it's not our technology we wish we had. sorry how did he describe it it's not. fictitious or imaginary it's real but. how did he describe the crafts or what. they how they behave metallic uh they. can they can appear and disappear we. can't detect them on our sensors. whatever I think is it was radar back. then that they they can outfly our best.

planes uh fly circles around us there's. nothing we could do about them we have. no defense mechanism against them um and. then there's the paper trail starts. there there was a study by the FBI and. the US Army in 1948 then the CIA after. it was created got involved they've been. studying this stuff for a long time and. the documents where they speak to each. other very frankly this is real it's not. us as the 1960 they put out a memo. saying this is serious business you know. we need to figure this out. I think there are inescapable National.

Security implications for this. technology I there is a race for it. we're trying to get it the Russians are. trying to get it the Chinese are trying. to get it whoever gets it they win you. know is are there some sort of reports. about the Russians and the Chinese also. having recovered crafts dude he smuggled. a ton of classified documents out of. Russia himself during glassos and. perista he went and met with the heads. of the UFO programs for uh in Russia.

during that time period he came back. with all those documents and actually. supplied them to some people that that. that happened it it had a lot to do with. Harry Reid's decision to go ahead and. support funding uh because those. documents show that the Russians are. trying to do what we're trying to do. which is to take this stuff apart and. figure out how it works and what year. was this this is 1993 the first time I. went but there their study lasted they. had the biggest study in the history of. the world from 78 to 88 the USSR sent. out an order to every military unit in.

the vast Soviet Empire that any UFO any. orb any ball of light anything weird in. the sky all has to be investigated and. that information had to be funneled to. the ministry of Defense to the desk of a. guy named Colonel Boris sakov who's in. charge of this program and I met him and. he shared a lot of that information with. me and he admitted we're trying to. figure this stuff out because if we. could duplicate that technology we could. kick your ass in terms of stealth we we. could beat you on your own game on. stealth technology so they were trying.

to do it they're trying to figure it out. um we hear bits and pieces that they. have recovered crashes as well so do the. Chinese maybe the Israelis I mean also. in these documents so and can you tell. them who you gave them to that whole. stuff can you tell them that uh they got. into the hands of the US government um. and then uh that was after I came back. from Russia the first time I went back. again in '96 a lot of the people who had. been willing to talk to me during. glasnost were now afraid they would not.

meet with me the people who had gone on. camera uh changed their Tunes because. the whole country had changed in that. time period but the documents also went. to oap that's the program that the DIA. ran Bigalow was the was the contractor. for it and they hired a bunch of. Russians to go through those documents. figure out the structure of the Russian. U UFO program and and did a lot more. analysis than I could do just by myself. and in these documents they they talked. about shootdown attempts which is. something that we'll be hearing more. about over the next 15 weeks I hope so.

in Russia they had this policy at first. to engage these things and they lost. Pilots yeah they had 40 different. incidents during that study where uh. Russian war planes chased UFOs three of. those cases the UFOs turned around and. shot them down they disabled the planes. and the planes crashed two of those. Pilots died and after the third crash. the Russian Ministry of Defense put out. the order leave them alone they may have. quote incredible capacities for. retaliation so leave them alone and one. last thing about that blew my mind we.

did an episode about this like him going. to Russia the whole thing they talked. about in those documents that they knew. how many satellites that we had. dedicated to looking for UFOs is is that. correct yeah yeah I met this Russian. scientist who had worked on their. version of Star Wars he lived in one of. these secret cities he' never spoken to. any journalist let alone a western. journalist and he started telling us. about the the work that they were doing. he he showed me this tabletop um model. of a like a laser weapon that he called.

the weapon of the aliens but he said he. hadd been involved in the Russian Space. Program in the earliest days they had. satellites up there that were seeing. these things coming in and out of space. into the Earth's atmosphere and going. out he said the Americans I know that. you guys had those satellites you were. seeing the same stuff we were their. intelligence agents got information from. the US they knew we were collecting. information uh back then they know we're. collecting it now. and when when they said that they had.

Jets shot down is that do we have. instances of jets getting shot down in. America we do um it's it's kind of. sketchy because a lot of those records. we have records of the planes going down. but not there's no indication that the. UFOs were responsible other than the. captain mantel incident it's a pretty. famous UFO case uh where he chased a UFO. and then crashed I think he might have. ran out of gas and the I think the Air. Force tried to explain he was chasing. the planet Venus which is preposterous.

you know yeah we have some yeah the CIA. actually fully funded a a a movie. narrated by Rod sirling it's called UFOs. past present or future and there's two. versions and you you can find it online. this is the most incredible UFO movie of. all time because it's funded by the CIA. to try to apologize for that incident or. saying he chased Venus it's a cool old. school documentary on UFOs narrated by. The Twilight Zone guy huh wow yeah fact.

so the Russians how many crafts of like. we supposedly grush said that the United. States is in possession of. 12 we should we should uh back up on. grush right like okay what what I'm. thinking is something big happened we. had these hearings right and everybody. knows gr because they saw him for the. first time during that in those hearings. he did not say that and so there's an. important thing there there of what he.

said and what he couldn't say during. those hearings so I'm not going to say. that grush has ever said that that's not. in his doser like that's not authorized. [ __ ] if somebody said that I don't know. who said it all we know he said was. right there in that hearing okay you see. what I'm saying it's like there's a lot. of rumors out there and I and I don't. know so this 12 you heard from people. I've heard it from people not from grush. though you okay okay so I'm confused so. what has grush said Rush said they.

definitely have physical crafts so he. was really so let me just set the scene. for you with this hearing thing right um. so I know when people think this is like. orchestrated man uh we fought for every. millimeter of of doing that hearing like. I personally did you know and and and so. did George and the idea was what can the. public what can we put out to the public. and let everybody know this is important. to us it's the first time in history his. that you have Commander David fraver.

Lieutenant Ryan Graves and then one. whistleblower a guy named David grush. who we can't validate what he said. because it's all classified information. but Commander fraver at friends of ours. you know Commander FR he like just told. what happened to him he chased the UFO. then you've got Ryan Graves who his. whole Squadron has been seeing these. things you've had both on your podcast. but grush stood up there and he was very. careful with his words and I want people. to know why if if you look at that. setting you're going to see right behind.

him was a guy named Chuck Chuck Mulla. Chuck McCulla is the Former Intelligence. Community Inspector General so like the. cops of the intelligence community and. he was right behind David grush who is. his client so he's representing David. grush because David grush put a. whistleblower complaint he put yeah and. look at those two handsome guys right. there so there's um yeah this is the. biggest conspiracy photo of all time can.

you imagine people seeing this and being. like what are those idiots doing up. there with them but so behind do with. the beard and the glasses in the back he. looks so happy yeah dude UFOs I people. think that that guy with a bald head is. James Clapper by the way I got a bunch. of yeah it wasn't about a bunch of. comments that Clapper was looking at my. notes during I guy I don't know he's. just part of a Ryan's organization as a. but you know here's the deal man um this. photo is kind of hilarious because. George lit George had um ontological.

shock when we were in that room it's. like he's sitting there I mean he's. sitting there seeing after all this time. this shit's being said out loud so so. what happened was the seats were kind of. like designated for us because George. and I were supposed to testify by the. way but then common wisdom says why have. these journalist guys when you can hear. directly from the firsthand people and. we agreed but what we did was we put on. Congressional Record statements and. people should read them if they haven't. they're on Congressional Record I did an. assessment of kind of the estimate of. the situation on UFOs but he he named.

names and and and programs but what. you're seeing there is and I kind of had. to fight for this you know is getting. his lawyer behind him should be like an. obvious [ __ ] thing when a guy's going. up to testify under oath in front of. Congress if you believe him he's. speaking under whistleblower protection. dude it was hard to get his lawyer. behind him I literally had to put the. lawyer behind him so we got the lawyer. behind him so he could lean in and be. like careful Dave careful which he did. like a bunch of times and then there's.

George looking all scrunched and. everybody's like why Jeremy over there. with no one next to him I think people. are a little afraid of me cuz you know. little bit of a Maniac sometimes. whatever we're there Dave starts talking. they ask him questions these weren't. prescripted or anything you know we. we're talking about what could be asked. for sure but they weren't prescripted. what Dave grush said and correct me or. add to if I get this wrong Dave grush. said I did an investigation it was my. job I was hired by and this is a guy.

from from the national reconnaissance. office the National geospatial. Intelligence Agency like this guy is is. he's been in the intelligence Community. a long time and he sits there under oath. and he. says I did an investigation I I. interviewed it was my job to look at uh. over 2,000 special access programs like. black programs and it was my job to find. out if any of them had to do with UAP. and if there's any money being hidden.

like misappropriated theft and he's like. after interviewing 40. Witnesses I found a ton of [ __ ] that. that supports this and I've in fact he. said I've found people who worked on the. craft firsthand and there and they had. to come in or they willingly came in he. called them hostile and non-hostile. Witnesses and he's like so I did that. whole thing the second I did that which. was my job I was given the job reprisals. started happening to me so he smartly.

did a whistleblower complaint through. the presidential protection act act 19. or something he went got the head of the. icig the former head of the ICI was a. lawyer and he says [ __ ] dude here's what. I know here's what people don't know is. the ICI so the the intelligence. community did their own investigation. into David gush's Witnesses and what he. found they interviewed like 40 plus. under oath and immediately said David. gush's claim is both credible and Urgent.

so it's not like just one guy telling. you our intelligence community did a. deep dive investigation into what David. grush told them under oath in the right. secure settings and they're like. credible. urgent so David grush can tell you the. basic things that happened but you know. how he kept saying in the appropriate. environment if you've got clearance we. can do that I'm willing to give you a. list of hostile and non-hostile people. that worked on The Craft you know. Biologicals he even said he's like I'll.

give that to you today we just got to. get a skiff and we got to make sure that. you have access you have clearance and. he was denied a skiff that. day he's um he's a credible guy he's the. real deal I mean he had us uh he had a. career in the Air Force served in. Afghanistan a distinguished career then. he goes into the intelligence Community. working for the National geospatial. Intelligence Agency he was assigned by. his boss to be the liaison to the UAP. task force that's what Congress had set.

it up to investigate the whole UFO. matter before the current program. existed and the guy who was in charge of. the taskforce Jay Stratton gave him a. job go find the special access programs. that are hiding UFO stuff either. siphoning millions of dollars or they've. got technology crash retrievals reverse. engineering all the stuff that we've. always heard rumored and he did he found. it um most of the juiciest stuff that he. found he can't say in an unclassified. setting it has to be because they will. get him they will bust his ass if they.

can they've already tried like four. times and that's something offline we'll. talk about there have been attempts to. get him silenced and muzzled by the way. to not do podcasts or shows and stuff. right to get him muzzled by um people. that are trying to say he's talking. outside of his doser which is like what. he's allowed to talk about so they're. they're looking for one word that he. says that's outside of that like I get. asked by by people in the government has. he ever told you the number of crashes. has he ever told you locations like I'm.

going to [ __ ] answer you first of all. second of all no he hasn't because that. would be illegal if it were to be true. so he is authorized to talk about a very. limited number of things is that correct. and they're not vouching for their. authenticity doser process which is I. don't know what it stands for but it's. like prepub process he very smartly. because his lawyer is really smart. former icig he's like write you know. write it in what you want to talk about. and see what they come back about what. you can't talk about so they're not. saying what he's saying is true they're.

just saying you can talk Within These. parameters I would like to see if what. he's saying is true so we just need that. option so who gives him the authority to. talk about these things no one gives him. the authority he's taking that all on. himself he's a true whistleblower. whether you believe his claims or not. what he's doing is is legal but it is I. mean it's a career killer right doser. says they they go through it and they. make sure that things that are like. highly sensitive or classified right.

like you can't say this word or this. program or this name so they kind of do. it as a pre-publication thing that's the. process does that make sense I wrote a. book with colum kellerer and Jim latky. about the Dia's UFO program it took. doser 14 months to approve our. manuscript so they take their time they. take their time time but also when you. get push back where people are trying to. entrap him or or get people to say that. he said something out of school the. Doster people are like no he's fine like. he talked with within those parameters. he just has to be careful to not.

accidentally say something that is. outside of those parameters and right. now is a very sensitive time for that. you know immediately it's interesting we. met him in Huntsville Alabama at a. conference the SCU conference it's a UFO. event we went down there to interview. somebody else um to get them on camera. and we had been told this guy might. there's a guy might introduce himself. and Jeremy was shooting video of me. sitting at a bar at the moment that this. guy walked up and introduced himself so. he had that moment on camera and then we. got to know him a little bit uh couple.

months later he comes out to Las Vegas. there was a Star Trek convention we were. going to speak at it and he comes out. because he likes Star Trek like. everybody likes Star Trek comes out and. spends two days with us the next day he. flies back Sunday night Monday morning. he reports to work armed security guards. escort him out he was suspended his. clearance was suspended we are worried. oh Christ was was he seen in our company. that's what happened but that was the. beginning of his first real big trial by. fire uh they accused him of a bunch of.

stuff um and said that they were going. to U fire him and uh permanently suspend. his clearance and was was he already. discussing UFOs at that time not not. with us but he he had already been. investigating it on behalf of his of the. UAP task force and he had shared. information Through The Whistleblower uh. process with the Inspector General yeah. let me just break it down real simp so. here he is he gets this job he's looking. at at all these special access programs. he's a [ __ ] brilliant guy he's a. physicist by the way you know like he's.

a brilliant guy in general so he. discovers all this [ __ ] he starts. getting reprisals and then the moment. George is talking about I kind of had. heard about him all of a sudden he comes. up to him at this bar where we were at. that's the first time that he talked to. anybody outside of government now he. didn't share anything he shouldn't but. he was kind of coming to George and then. to me to say I'm doing this. whistleblower thing I am concerned for. my safety and just in general for my. career he wanted a journalist or. journalist to know not to report on it.

so imagine that we don't even break the. story that we had before anybody right. so what I did CU I'm his Harpoon I I did. a deep dive into this guy for months and. months and months he actually came to my. home you know met my family like and I. got to know him and I I we we vetted and. vetted okay this guy is who he says he. is he's 100% who he says he is so we we. kind of got that layer of trust this is. not some sh D or something like that but.

then what happens is what George is. talking about the second trip so I'm. already talking at this uh Star Trek. thing because my my friend growing up. from my jiujitsu class was Rod. rotenberry so he's like the son of Jean. rotenberry so he's just like dude Jeremy. come talk to a bunch of trekkies about. real UFOs and I'm like cool I'll do it. it's in georg's. Hometown so that was a great opportunity. for Dave to come and meet with us again. and just talk to us right yeah and then. that Monday when he gets back he's. walked out of the geospatial. intelligence agency or nro depending on.

which one you want to identify him with. he's he's out man and they did some. [ __ ] on him like time card like out. of out of 12,000 billable hours maybe. there's like 30 hours somewhere where. you didn't do it right they were doing. anything they could to [ __ ] with this. guy so that was our first like heads up. oh dude how this guy gets treated is. going to dictate everybody else that has. come to us in private saying I I I think. this is illegal I'm doing right among. the complaints they issued to try to.

take away his security clearance was. that he had mental health issues yeah so. he was suspended for a couple of months. they did a background investigation of. his allegations the allegations that. have been made against him and they. cleared him reinstated him reinstated. his security clearance he stayed on the. job for a couple more months and then. retired because he sees the handwriting. on the wall and he left and that's when. he started um plotting the next chapter. and now we're seeing backlash process. firing up once again after he testifies.

in front of Congress in that hearing and. offers to tell them more in a classified. setting and spill all the beans uh they. they got to find a media guy to go after. them this article in The Intercept yeah. The Intercept did a smash piece by the. way we already knew all about Dave. gret's P PTSD and at the time his best. friend one of his dear friends just talk. got off the phone with him blew his own. brains out right so he was like drinking. he was in a bad place first day day one.

I talked to him I said what dirt are. they going to pull up on you if if what. you're telling me is true they're going. to get some dirt and he goes look man I. had PTSD I dealt with it I survived it. nothing horrible happened but you know. he told us day one man that intercept. thing was some [ __ ] they they come. in and they they try to discredit what. he said because of his PTSD [ __ ] and the. thing is that happened to Lazar like if. you believe or don't believe don't care. that did happen to Lazar too where. people try to discredit his character to.

try to minimize what he's telling you so. we saw that with Dave and that was only. the visible stuff I'm telling you things. behind the scenes that have been done to. Dave and his family it's disgusting like. not even just like pull your clearance. kind of [ __ ] like there are people that. don't want him he's an embarrassment you. know to the Department of Defense if. what he's saying he's coming out of. school and he's saying I saw some BS. like they don't want that so we are in a.

push back phase they they not only the. intelligence community and Military. folks tipped off a reporter and said go. look for this and they found some police. records of where he was drinking too. much and was suicidal uh and and that. was adjudicated uh it was looked at the. Department of Defense his his employers. looked into it he'd gone through. treatment he got past it he was a better. person a stronger person for it but they. leaked that information to just be SMG. his character and now we see additional.

uh push back in Congress so this. committee that held this hearing into. UFO UAP matters uh was a subcommittee on. National Security of the oversight. committee the larger committee since. that hearing happened uh the chairman of. the house intelligence committee got. together with the chairman of the. oversight committee and decided no more. UFO hearings in the house enough of that. [ __ ] we're not doing that anymore. because in their words it could be an. embarrassment to the Department of. Defense you're damnn right it would be.

an embarrassment for what's going to. come out I mean it was a big success you. know to have this this publicly done. it's the first time in history that we. have direct Witnesses like two pilots. and then a. whistleblower it was the first time in. history we we fought for every. millimeter of that territory to get that. to happen it was not received well by. the intelligence Community you know they. did not like that that happened and. that's pretty telling to me. that we should do it. again now when grush first found out.

about this stuff he was tasked with. trying to uncover it it his job it was. his job and why did they like what was. the suspicion like what was the initial. impetus to get him to look into this. stuff it's the suspicion we've had for a. long time that there is Crash retrial. program that we have recovered. technology that is not made here that. we're trying to reverse engineer it and. figure out how it works so that we can. duplicate it right but who who sent so.

there's a UAP task force so the UAP task. force was formally created by Congress. to look into the bigger picture and J. suspected that something was wrong yeah. Jay Stratton was the head of it he'd. been at the defense intelligence agency. he was with Naval intelligence he kept. getting pulled back into the UFO Arena. from different jobs very credible guy he. was in charge of the UAP task force he. put together this amazing briefing. document that in came included film and. video and photos of UFOs that have been.

gathered by the US military over the. past 30 years he'd give those. presentations to Congress to the Joint. Chiefs to defense contractors uh because. he wanted people to know about it and as. part of that job he assigned Dave to. look into special access programs can. you find evidence of Crash retrievals. reverse engineering any of that stuff. we've been hearing rumored for 30 40. years and this is really about oversight. okay so the way I understand it from. people involved is that look we have to.

have oversight over these types of. programs and Technologies like it's good. we're doing them it's good we keep it. secret like that's their standpoint but. they're like we have to have a process. of oversight do you remember the the. church committee back in' 60s was it 60s. or 70s um 70s so the church committee. everybody in the intelligence agency. that I know will say there's BC and AC. before the church committee after the. church committee it it it basically was.

a way to level the playing field so. there's not this type of you know. shenanigans that are going on the [ __ ]. up [ __ ] they learned from the church. committee so what they're saying now is. look some stuff needs to be kept secret. for National Security if we can turn. some of this [ __ ] into weapon systems. right like we don't want we don't give. out uh blueprints to make an atom bomb. we admit Adam bombs are real but we. don't give out blueprints so some of it. needs to be kept secret but they're all. about oversight if you don't have.

communication between these. subcontractors that are working on this. exotic stuff if it exists we need to be. aware of that at some level we meaning. Senate and Senate intelligence committee. all this stuff oversight so without that. oversight you're just letting people run. a muck and go crazy with this stuff and. I'll tell you firsthand right there are. people that have come to me and George. that are currently employed in agencies.

and they feel like they are being held. hostage in these programs like there's. there's ways to keep people in programs. and to not let them out by dangling this. like well what are you going to do if. you lose your clearances you're going to. go work at Home Depot you know that's. that's the way that that I've heard some. people describe to me and George of why. they're so terrified right now is. because their whole lives their wives. their dogs their children are all. dependent upon these little faction.

groups kind of keeping them in a program. if that's true that's [ __ ] horrible. and what just happened to Dave grush the. sliming of Dave grush by this uh this. really pretty poorly researched uh. article is an example to all them. anybody out there is a whistleblower. you're thinking of coming forward and. spilling the beans this could happen to. you did you ever have an affair did you. ever have an out of woodlock kid did you. have a drug problem because whatever it. is we'll find it and it'll come out it's. interesting that they would use PTSD to.

discredit him for a war veteran that. seems insane you're shaming someone for. seeking help from something that most. soldiers come back and have to deal with. that's really insane it's low is what it. is well it doesn't make sense either it. just doesn't make sense like how can you. do that it doesn't make sense in terms. of the reader perception cuz I think. most readers are going to look at that. and go well the guy came back from war. and he sought help how many guys come.

back from war and they're fine isn't it. it's probably less probably quite a bit. less and a lot of people never get over. the PTSD and they take their lives the. number of veterans that take their lives. in this country is astonishing it's four. times as many that die in combat it's. astonishing it's terrifying thank you. for vocalizing that cuz to me I'm like. what the [ __ ] it's a we well that's just. some [ __ ] Egghead writer who has an. agenda but it's also there's this. natural inclination that I think we all.

have to poke holes in something that. seems fantastic it's like this guy how. what is he doing he's he's coming out. he's a whistleblower has he seen these. things oh he just is a he works for the. UAP task force and he's uncovering this. like what what what do we know about. this guy oh he's nuts yeah oh he has. PTSD he was suicidal he's making things. up he's. unstable instantly you could sort of. dismiss. and I understand if I was watching this.

in 2D reality and I'm just watching the. TV and I'm seeing this these weird guys. behind here and I'm thinking this is a. setup like I I I do see that and I do. see that why would you take this. seriously but if you're in our shoes. mine and George's and you see this kind. of go through and you talk with people. on a daily basis people come to you over. years you vet them man look from where. I'm standing in the 3D version of this I. it was more organized I feel like we're. we're we're fighting like pushing that.

at what's that dude that pushes the. boulder up the hill con it keeps rolling. down and you sis yeah some Greek yeah. that's what it feels like right like you. know one step forward two steps back I. think we made a lot of progress but I. see how it looks so bizarre on the. outside but I will say for sure uh Dave. is who he says he is he had the job that. he says he did have and he absolutely. fundamentally believes that what he. uncovered is nonhuman Technologies and. he said that and I believe that we have.

the right and the need to try to do. discovery on that and the only way we're. going to do that is if people say we. want to. know and and the hearings help with that. kind of thing now this stuff I would. imagine is very compartmentalized so I. would also imagine there's probably some. people in government that whether it's. because of their ego or whether it's. because of whatever position they have. that they need to have access to this. information or they want to have access. to information do we know who does and.

who. doesn't you want to go them me go ahead. yeah. um short answer is kind of like I you. know we we kind of know you know who who. has control of some of these programs. now we've never George and I have never. found somebody that knows the totality. of it but we have been as he likes to. say pretty high up the food chain so we. we get to a point where we get to people.

that have actively worked in what they. call the the Legacy UFO program or. programs so these are like the actual. UFO programs that are not public and. when we when we get to people in that. position the brick wall for us is always. this they're like I'm not for. disclosure and I'm like okay well tell. me to stop then what like what do you. mean the the public you shouldn't kick a. sleeping dog is one of the things we.

were told and I'm like well what like. what is so freaking scary that the. public would know something that even. though we're friends now and you have. direct knowledge that you first of all. won't testify to Congress we got NOS no. way am I doing that I'm like why there's. something we keep getting up to that. point where there's something and we. don't know what it is and maybe it's. just they want to keep gollum's ring. they don't want anybody else to have. control of this [ __ ] or there's. something they're not telling us that is.

so gnarly that um they don't think. people can handle it there are you know. different scenarios you could explore. for example you know you ask what could. be so terrible that they can't tell us. about it let's say these these aliens. wherever they're from mat us that were a. genetic. experiment um that they created our. religions our religious figures that we. are an Agricultural Product that somehow. they harvest us um that our time is.

limited you know that once the. experiment's over poof we go away I. remember when there was a push back to. have a designer Universe intelligent. design Universe in the schools and I. wrote a column about it just said hey be. careful what you wish for because you. might find out that the intelligent. designer isn't God that you're thinking. of it might be some alien science. project or something like that uh you. know you can imagine a lot of different. things that would be really disturbing. to people to come out I don't know if. that's the reason for the for the.

secrecy I suspect it is has a lot more. to do with National Security us not. wanting the Russians and Chinese to know. how far down the road we are we know. that to be true um we've been told that. you can't tell your friends without tell. telling your enemies it's probably a. multi-layered reason yeah yeah I just. don't know the top layer it's killing me. well it's interesting because how would. they know the top layer I mean what kind. of confirmation would you have to have. that we were genetically in ered like. how how how much data would you have to.

have before you accepted that so you got. compartmentalization you said right so I. I know a guy in the 70s that was working. at Lawrence Livermore laboratory he's. not ready to break from the fold yet. right he's not ready to do it but he was. working on Super capacitors in the 70s. or something and he said something like. I know the three companies that make. these he was given a device with no. markings on it no nothing and he was to. reverse engineer it he he he is. convinced this was not made by us it was.

so efficient Almost 100% efficient so. you get you get people like that who. what was it like a super capacitor is. that the word super conductor super. conductor so it was just some device. that he was as an electro kind of. specialist was working on but this is. just a one-off story to give you an. example what exactly is the super. conductor I know dude that's what. Google's for yeah I I wish super. conductivity would allow the transfer of. energy at like they're trying to get at. a low temp right this means an electric. current can flow but the electrons are.

jostled around a bit as they move so. they lose energy as they travel this. jostling is called electrical resistance. in a superconductor there is zero. resistance and an electrical current can. flow perfectly smoothly without losing. any energy that sounds right and so this. is something that apparently so this was. something that was just discussed like. recently about a superconductor at room. temperature but was kind of debunked oh. is it yeah I believe it was the news. yeah was it debunked it's been debunked.

a couple of times they keep tring taking. another stab at it it's like Chinese. propaganda or something no I think these. I think they couldn't replicate it or. find out what it is that's as far I. think that's exactly it yeah they could. they couldn't replicate so check it out. though what I can say is um so I have. two pieces of graphine and they're like. these little squares and one is they're. meta materials mean meaning it doesn't. occur in nature we made them I have two. kinds two pieces one piece is is a 3°. variation from perfect Atomic layering.

the other one is like a 7° variation. from perfect Atomic layering so like. graphite from a pencil I think and they. layer the atoms perfect the one that's. 7° and the one that's 3° if you have an. ice cube and I take the 7 degree of. orientation off from perfect and I push. it into an ice cube it's like a hot. knife through butter it instantly gets. cold and your finger gets cold and it. stops in the ice right because it's. trans transferring the heat I guess this. is a superconductor I think it it it.

pushes um the heat from my fingers right. in so that material has unique. principles and properties because of the. way they atomically layered it the 3 Dee. one it goes much deeper and faster. because it's like a it's like a faster. transaction of that heat so we we've. learned that meta materials when we. Orient them we make them in a certain. way they have special or unique. properties so a lot of so back to this. guy um a lot of what it seems like we're. doing is trying to get derivative.

Technologies from something that's more. advanced than what we have and they. could be little things so he all he saw. was a superconductor okay I believe. that's the right word that's all he saw. he only has suspicion it's never been. put to Market since the 70s what the. [ __ ] he worked on one so that's one type. of like I don't know whistleblower or. witness that we got but there are other. types there are other people that are. like physically working on the machines.

then there's people that are just in a. bureaucratic role then you've got people. like David grush who do discovery on. finances and programs and interview. people this whole tapestry or mosaic of. individuals leads me to. feel that where there's smoke there's. fire th all of this there there's. something to it it's just where is it. from I think we're in kind of a push. back mode now though since that hearing. that might have been the high water mark. you know Jeremy and I have been talking.

about it publicly for a while the closer. we get to the goodies the closer the. public gets or congress gets to actually. seeing the saucers or finding out where. the programs are the harder these guys. are going to push back the true keepers. of the secrets have dug their feet in I. mentioned about this house chairman uh. intelligence committee chairman he. represents rght Patterson Airbase that. he gets a lot of campaign donations from. Big aerospace companies uh right past of. course home of Hangar 18 and all the. rumors about Roswell wreckage and other.

things being stored there that's his. district he's the guy that's said no. more hearings representative Turner. Turner Mike Turner so he's he kind of. put the kabash on it h it claims China. is a bigger threat to us than aliens. okay well that's probably true I mean I. don't know they're probably doing a lot. of. stuff yeah I would say that's you guys. uh remember the American Computer. Company you never do you know that story. the American Computer Company I'm pretty. sure that's the name of the company.

American computer company had a whole. section on their website about the back. engineering of technology that came. about from the Roswell crash and about. how Bell. Laboratories in uh New Jersey had an Air. Force Base right outside of it that was. supposedly to protect New York City. they're like but the problem is New York. City's you got to fly over to New York. City like it seems like it's protecting. Bell Laboratories and Bell Laboratories. is where he said that they back. engineered all this [ __ ] including fiber.

optics including like the discovery of a. bunch of different things that came out. supposedly of back engineering that. wreckage see if we can find that I mean. I hope that's true dude I hope that if. we have is this it well this is the. accuracy of what col Phil Coro the guy. the truth is out there and so are the. cranks from 2000 true yeah it was a is. the company any exist I don't think so. but this is uh okay don't believe.

everything you read online American. Computer Company it's secret alien. research have been around for four years. Jack Schulman owner of American computer. company now operating as comp am.com. posted a story to his website he claimed. that Bell Telephone Laboratories had. stolen the idea for the silicone chip. from the alien spacecraft that. supposedly crashed in Rosell New Mexico. in 1947 prior to Bell's announcement. that year that John Bine Walter uh. bratan and William Shockley had invented.

the transistor Computing had depended on. vacuum tube so why is it that 50 years. on we can't use the aliens technology to. violate the theory of relativity to. travel Beyond lighted well that's a big. jump it seems that a cartel of. technology companies and oil producers. have colluded to prevent the development. of high-speed chips Mr Schulman post his. theories at Roswell internet.com where. he also claims to invented PC and. windows and to be working on a chip that.

seems weird working on a chip that will. run at 12 terahertz a thousand time the. speeds of today's fastest. CPUs uh one way you can guess the. veracity of web rumor is the writer's. typing style if an author randomly. switches to uppercase for effect then. he's probably a. crank that's the only thing I could. really find just right now even bring. that up that's [ __ ]. half-hearted attempt to dispute what he. said there's a guy named Phil Corso who. was an army colonel he worked uh in this.

technology office in the Pentagon and. he's the guy who came out with a book on. the 50th anniversary of waswell he said. I saw that stuff we had it in a in a. couple of file cabinets and he. personally took it to Bell Labs claims. to have given them the the chips that. inspired the later work um you know a. lot of people don't find him credible. that he takes too much credit for doing. all kinds of other things in history but. uh I met before his book came out years. ago and Bigalow and Hell put off and.

those guys went back to see him and. jacqu bellet and they thought he was. credible they didn't necessarily believe. everything he said but it goes right. along lines of what you're saying there. and so what did he describe that he saw. in term in those file cabinets he said. fiber optics computer chips among other. things I think he said night vision was. inspired by something they got out of. those chips I mean out of those. ships I have no idea you know it's like. it would be so cool um to it would be so.

cool if we had success in derivative. Technologies and they were in our hands. I I think I would like to believe we. were more responsible with that [ __ ] I I. know for a fact that and George can. attest to this that the UFO topic is. taken at the level of above weapons of. mass destruction within our government. within government agencies like they. take it that seriously. so that that is not a throwaway. statement I'm telling you I know that.

and George can attest to it right so. here's the deal man if that's true then. I do understand the perspective whoever. gets the technology first wins but my. understanding is that we have not been. able to duplicate the core. Technologies and and if that's true. because it's so far ahead of what we've. got what we can do is kind of like Get. derivative Technologies all you have to. know is what what the legislation that. was put into the National Defense.

authorization act I know that's not a. word that normal people going to. understand or hear about often but I I. become educated on so the National. Defense authorization Act of 2024 it. ends up being signed hopefully by Biden. any president has to sign it and also. the uh intelligence authorization act so. the language that they put into these is. all people need to know because they. wouldn't fabricate this set of things in. air and they wouldn't spend resources on. creating this language if they didn't.

have more than a good suspicion that we. have this kind of tech and that we're. trying to reverse engineer it it's. online anybody can look at Schumer I. think put out a big uh Bill and then. there was an amendment to it and if you. read this language they're like any of. these non-terrestrial craft I mean they. are so thorough they're like if they're. being hidden in private technology we're. cutting off your fun so they've got a a. carrot and a stick approach I've talked. to some of the people that formed this.

language right so what they're saying is. the carrot is if you come forward within. I think 90 days once it's signed and you. tell us that you have technologies that. are not from here then there'll be no. penalty to you if you don't tell us your. funding I is cut we're going to find out. your funding is cut so it's like a. carrot and a stick kind of thing. if you read this language it's it's it's. almost insane to read because they know.

that there are these programs now where. the craft or things that they're working. on are from you know how do we how do we. even get there to know that I don't know. but but they do know that we have this. [ __ ] these craft of Unknown Origin they. used the the term non-human intelligence. in that legislation 26 times I mean it's. astonishing there's this Senate majority. leaders Chuck Schumer standing up there. in a nod to his late Mentor Harry Reid. saying we're going to get to the bottom.

of this stuff and it's real and he. acknowledges that that legislation was. crafted with the White House's. cooperation so it's the Biden. Administration somebody in that. Administration signed off on this it's. astonishing people don't like it though. like if you're in the IC and and you've. got these like secret you know programs. or if you're like let's say with locki. let's say you're locki and you got some. really cool thing they might be looking. to move it now because I don't think. they're really worried about funding. being cut off I think a lot of these. black programs can be fund funded.

asymmetrically like in different ways. than getting money right from Congress. but I'll tell you that language tells. you everything because it it shows you. that they are taking it so seriously. that they have some sort of pre-. knowledge that these programs exist in. fact they probably know where these. objects are being stored now you said. some number you know you and I might. talk to similar people but definitely. that number. you know floated around I have no idea. if that's the correct number I I just.

know that they have been told where. these holding facilities are they have. been told all they got to do is get the. authority to go knock on that door and. go inside what is the explanation of how. we acquired these crafts there's crash. retrieval but then there's also ones. that are. intact remember Lazar said that uh. nearly all of the ones that he saw. except for one that had a big hole in. the middle of it all looked intact it. was as if they were dug up at AR.

archaeological sites or there were gifts. like throwing a cell phone into a. chimpanzee cage here you go crazy humans. knock yourself out let's see how you do. with this that they're just left there. for us to find and as a challenge to us. I guess yeah I I have the same problem. as you like I'm like the [ __ ]. not crashing if they're coming from. somewhere else they're not crashing. right um but people will say to me look. man um. um you know we have air plane problems.

and sometimes even planes crash and. maybe there's other circumstances where. these things could have crashed because. they were hit with some technology maybe. two of them were dog fighting electrical. storms I don't know I don't know that. was the Virginia Brazil story right. electrial storm also radar some people. suspect that really powerful radar can. can interfere with some of the Radars. are also Weaponry that's the thing like. um you can have energy uh reception but. output on some things so there's some. cool devices that actually shoot like. high high laser Weaponry but the my.

thing is I don't know if they really. crashed George is kind of edging towards. maybe archaeological digs maybe gifs the. Lazar said that one of them supposedly. was from an archaeological dig right. yeah do they know where I thought I know. he know no he was just literally that's. one of the many things that they tried. to impose upon him but remember they. tried to impose a lot of [ __ ] on Lazar. he is so succinct with this is what I. know to be real I had hands on this now.

they told him a whole bunch of crazy. [ __ ] you know what dude just the like I. should put that [ __ ] out I mean just. crazy like we are we are viewed by the. aliens as containers of souls I mean. you're not going to tell a guy working. on propulsion that so he had he had he. was able to sit down for a brief time. and go through a document like a huge. briefing document in there he saw what. were they said were was bio biological. biopsy of an alien like he was just he. didn't care he was going to the.

propulsion part but they told him so. much wild stuff he's like this has to be. a joke but then when he he said he. differentiates he goes but when I you. can't fake he said what I saw you can't. fake your hands trying to get close to. the reactor and not being able to touch. it you can't fake something that big. lifting like that so he says I know for. sure what I worked on was not from here. but he goes everything else they told me.

it was words on. paper and I respect that about him and. maybe they wanted him to leak it to John. leer remember he's like friends with. this guy John leer who's like already on. their radar the best photo of Area 51. from Lake level ever was 1977 the year I. was born John L's kicking it out there. stirring up [ __ ] at Area 51 taking. photos so he does a whole panoramic of. photos of Area 51 sees a truck coming. from a distance Being John leer takes. the role puts it under his ashtray puts.

in new film snaps it again they. confiscate his his film but he had some. underneath his cigarette lighter or. whatever and he actually gave those to. me so I got the the best shot of Area 51. you'll ever see from Lake level was by. John leer now Bob knew John that's where. all the conspiracies come in because. John's like this UFO nut The Godfather. of conspiracy but when how did Bob meet. John well this is your Turf threw a guy. named Jean Huff who was a post exposure.

post uh he he met him before he worked. out there really there was a guy named. Jee Huff who did a real estate appraisal. for John Le's house and uh Jean was. friends with Bob and they Jean and Le. struck up a conversation brought Bob. into the to meet him and um it was only. after that that Lazar got hired out. there he would have arguments with Lear. about this crazy UFO stuff because I'd. already done a couple of interview. interviews with him in the in the late. 80s with Lear with Lear before I met.

Lazar so Lazar was not a Believer he. said I don't believe it poor John he's. crazy with this UFO stuff so this is. fact and it's so funny like knowing all. these guys because I wasn't there like. he was but I get to talk with everybody. in Gillum the what I think it was Jim. Goodall that was in the car with him he. remembers Bob saying oh poor John leer. and Jim Goodall is like why and he's. like cuz he believes this UFO nonsense. so that was where Lazar was at prior to. getting the job out of the test site is.

he didn't believe any of this nonsense. in fact so much so that remember I think. he told you when he first went in they. had a little decal of an American flag. on the saucer and he thought oh those. idiots everybody thought UFOs were from. outer space and they're ours you know. right and and then he quickly realized. wait a second that you know the this. isn't this can't be ours it's. fascinating to see now that Dave grush. has come forward and give some Credence. to we have reverse engineering programs. we have a crash retrieval program.

aerospace companies are stashing this. stuff in some hangers somewhere all the. stuff that Lazar said is being true they. now say oh gosh I guess it is true but. that Lazar he's still a liar we don't. believe him you know you have to got to. do some mental gymnastics to do that. yeah it's just fascinating when you see. these crafts move exactly the way that. he described them in 1989 yeah straight. up it's pretty wild cuz you're seeing. footage from like what is it. 2014 or something like that the gimbal. yeah yeah and it's like it moved exactly.

like he described turns on its side. shoots off so so that's a a common thing. is Bob Lazar must be the luckiest con. man on planet Earth to get so much [ __ ]. right over all these years what's that. what's the controlled disclosure. campaign plan what is this from this is. listed at the bottom of that document. they're talking about the the n daa for. 2024 and this is the UAP section I've. been reading through who controlled.

disclosure campaign with respect to. unidentified anomalous phenomenon. recorded uh Records originated prior to. review board termination this review. board I'm not sure what this is it talks. about all the like they get all of this. information and you better give it to. them is sort of what it says they want. to set up a review board that would. basically declassify stuff that they. come across yeah but I'm being told by. people involved that that's not good. enough like this is one step which is to. get this um presidential review board.

and you get a bunch of sociologists and. scientists and some Nobel Prize winners. and and you look at what can be. Declassified for the American public in. a controlled way and that's really nice. they're doing it but everybody on the. inside that I know is like we need a. church style committee it's not okay to. just have a disclosure panel you need. oversight and to get that oversight we. need access the only way that we're. going to get that is by forcing sen like.

where's where are all the senators in. all this we did this hearing with all. these Congress people where are all the. Senators listening to the public being. like okay I'm going to get after that. they're the only ones with the power to. create a church style committee where. are the Senators right now and and so. that's really this language is so. important I hope people go look it up. and they read it because it's just. astonishing when you hear what their. actually doing and I think it's a good. step I find this one a little weird too. the ex exercise of eminent domain yeah.

they can go and take anything from. anyone who's got anything look this the. federal government shall exercise. imminent domain over any and all. recovered Technologies of Unknown Origin. and biological evidence of nonhuman. intelligence that may be controlled by. private persons or entities in the. interest of the public good wow yeah. dude the fact that that is in that paper. is crazy so it's not passed yet so.

that's what so they're going to debate. this when they get back from what they. call recess now so it's really good that. everybody hears this this is going to be. debated by your representatives this. needs to pass or or we're we're screwed. this has to pass and then the president. has to sign it it's important too you. got to figure that if say Lockheed or. one of these big aerospace companies. really does have this stuff it's. incredibly valuable I mean it would be. un worth Untold millions of dollars the. technology that could to change the.

world forever so they don't want to give. it up if if if not just for national. security reasons and because of the. value of it monetary value so this would. change that and take it I mean I guess I. could apply to Element 115 if there's a. piece of that laying around somewhere I. don't know I mean actually they did say. private or corporate kind of so it's. like basically so I I am of two emotions. about this one is like so the government. just to come gets to come in and take. everything like that feels a little. weird but but but I do believe that the.

spirit of this is to get to the core of. of the question have we been reverse. engineering technology not from here and. if we have been there needs to be. oversight so I I am for this but this is. not going to help the American and. Global public learn more and that's the. thing we have to remember that's why. grush can't talk unless he's in a skiff. with people with. access these people are not for what. George and I are for with with which is. that we need to know the truth about. this I want to I'm greedy with the truth.

about this but this is not going to tell. the American public the truth what it's. going to do is within the intelligence. communities it's going to inform. everybody on a bigger scale which means. we could have better scientists on it we. could have better people working on it I. do hope that splashes over to the public. that we get to learn more about this. because I want to learn more about it of. course who doesn't yeah it's uh just. wild seeing that language yeah it just.

does not seem like they would put. something like that in there unless they. knew something yeah exactly this is. Chuck Schumer Senate majority leader who. got up he didn't just slip it into the. bill he made a big deal about it he made. an announcement a speech on the floor. and emphasized that you know having that. non-human intelligence in that bill 26. times is astonishing and the fact that. he says the White House reported it. shows how far we've come in a in a short. period of time I mean I would I'd never.

saw that coming from Schumer we knew. that Marco Rubio and Kirsten gilbran and. the Senate were were into this issue but. did not see it from him yeah but where. are they now see right now why is they. being so damn quiet you know the thing. is they need to fight in order for us we. need one last time we need like a CH in. my opinion we need like a church style. committee where we get more information. to the public because I want the public. to know as much as they can don't you. think they're probably quiet until more. information comes out like they're just. kind of like waiting to see what What.

Becomes of this who's waiting like the. Senate yeah um dude the thing is is that. if I had a political career and a. hundred things that I'm dealing with the. public needs to tell our Representatives. what we want them to do so are they kind. of sitting back and being quiet maybe I. know Rubio came out and said look. they're so careful of saying what they. don't know and I I appreciate that but. but he's like look I have been testified. to or people have come to me and are. groups and they've said that they're. worried about their own well-being that. they have worked on these directly.

worked on these things so he is being. informed and maybe they're being a. little quiet but now is the time for. them to pass this through they have to. debate it and and go for it man this is. a a big opportunity that we have now to. get closer to this truth it might happen. it might not the fascinating answer was. the guy saying that it's not in the. Public's good for this to get out. God I wish I wondered I wish I knew. rather what that meant because the the.

big speculation there's a bunch of big. speculations but the big one has always. been that we were genetically engineered. I mean that's something that Zachariah. siten talked about you know when. describing the surian text and those uh. ancient clay tablets that show this very. large Strang looking humanoid with a a. humanoid on his lap that has a tail it's. very bizarre it's like childhood's end. have you read that book Arthur C Clark.

no they so how they acclimate the Human. Society if I remember the book properly. is they have all these motherships just. hover all over the Earth and they sit. there for Generations acclimating people. to them because the ETS or whatever. they've got a problem the problem is. they look like the [ __ ] devil like. Fork tail that that was the book I don't. mean to give it away for people but it. was so crazy oh that's amazing so. speculating right now just speculating.

cuz it's driving me crazy what do you. think if this is true we're just saying. if this is true if we're being visited. by something yeah what could be. so powerfully devastating that these. keepers of the secrets have literally. all of them pretty much stopped at the. same PL place and talking with me and. George which is like I am not for. disclosure on this there's something. they're not telling us that is. so heavy well it could be a bunch of.

things right it could be the fact that. they do want to get control of the. technology before uh enemies do that. makes sense but it also could be the. genetic engineering thing because. there's a weird thing with human beings. in lower primates the lower primates are. all still around you know and there was. a a bunch of different kinds of humans. that didn't make it you know neander Tal. and Dennis oven and there's a bunch of. other ones there they keep discovering. new ones but God there's a giant leap.

between us and the other primates a. weird one real weird we vary so wildly. in terms of how we look we vary so. wildly in the environments that we can. live in we have hyperintelligence in. comparison to everything else that's on. the planet like giant leaps above in. terms of our ability to manip at our. environment we're not like anything else. and you.

know the thing about when you look at us. and you look at primates you go oh yeah. we're similar you know you look at us. and you look at chimps you look at you. know bonobos and stuff like yeah I guess. humans are kind of similar to those in a. little bit like you've watched chimp. Empire the show on Netflix yeah but boy. big [ __ ] difference and they're still. around they're still around looking. exactly the same and we somehow or. another advance to this very bizarre. thing that flies around in metal tubes.

all over the planet and sends video. through this through space we're so much. different than them and you know they. are our Ancient Ancient ancestors right. they're ancient cousins like what. happened would people freak out if that. that story came out it was confir I. think it would well I think it would. really throw a monkey wrench into. religion for sure it'd have to re I. think religion would probably. adapt and you know that this was also. created by God and these are messenges.

of God or something like that they would. probably come up with some sort of if. that turned out to be absolutely true. but you know the the doubling of the. human brain size over a period of two. million years is the biggest mystery in. the entire fossil record apparently and. they they don't know there's a bunch of. speculation a lot of like questions and. guesses and you know different things. that we could have done that could have. facilitated that but that's a big one. man that's a weird one it's weird got a. question about that right so this is. something I'm struggling with like could. you tell the general.

public that the base understanding you. know that we're not alone that there's. some craft from somewhere else we don't. we don't have to say from where we don't. know could you tell them could you say. that to the public officially in some. way and and still avoid what they call. Strategic surprise like this idea that. um like we we can work on it and work on. it really well and make sure that we. don't get strategically surprised by. another Nation you could keep your. security in place could you do all of.

that if you let the one thing out the. box if it was officially acknowledged. that we're not alone or do you think. people would just start going crazy for. more answers because I think that's this. the fear of people they can't just say. one thing I think in today's day and age. with the news cycle that we have now. where things are just in the public eye. out of instantaneously nothing sticks. everything keeps moov there's scandals. and Wars constantly I don't think it. would register I think people would have.

to have actual physical encounters with. UFOs before it really made sense to them. because I think right now it's just this. idea it's in the air it's vapor it's. just a like you could talk about it if. you like you could read about it if You'. like you could watch blurry videos if. you'd like but it doesn't have any. weight in your real world now if we. start seeing them you know if they're. like hovering over Los Angeles and. they're undescribable and they rock it.

off into insane speeds and smaller. crafts come out of the mother ship and. if that kind of [ __ ] happens that that. would get real weird that would get real. weird real quick and that could lead to. chaos that could absolutely lead to. chaos and if we somehow or another had. proof that you know maybe we are some. sort of a science project or some. product of genetic engineering or maybe. the the human Farm thing is real that. they they literally created us to try to.

get us to do things here or to try to. recreate Souls which is like a very. bizarre thought you know that the soul. is a thing that we commodity and there's. some sort of value to having so many. Souls that's like this is old school. this is my gateway drug into UFOs was. John leer and first time I sit down with. him you know he's like got this big. cigar and he's looking at me and he's. like we're all property we're property. you know I'm like what the [ __ ] is he.

talking about and and he was talking. about how the aliens saw us as kind of. like a wine and our bodies are. containers and our souls are being. matured as like a commodity you know for. these like he was he was a wild dude. like I'm not saying I believe any of. this I'm just saying he gave me that. idea day one when he said matured like. is a soul of an intelligent person more. valuable than the soul of a dummy I wish. we could ask John le but he's dead you.

know what I'm saying like what like what. what what does that mean in terms of. like aging our souls maturing our souls. maybe through experience you know like. hardship experience love joy like maybe. I'm just talking crazy right now but. this is some I I can do the John L John. would say every experience you have in. life is what makes your soul mature from. your joy and your love love to your hate. and your anger live without Envy hate or. greed that's my John le he makes sense.

if your soul is ultimately a. representation of who you are and how. you stand in life it would it would make. sense that that would be fortified by. your life experiences and that would. make it stronger like like everything. else you know like you life experiences. make you wiser would if the Soul's a. real thing you know the more value you. put into the world the the better you. behave the nicer you are the more you.

learn to be honest and truthful all the. different things that we hold up as high. qualities for human beings it would make. it would make sense that that would like. enrich your soul and just getting better. in life right like if for you 20 years. ago and and you today we all hope that. we look at our past self and we say. we've learned something we become a. better person become more loving. empathetic better and more creative at. at presenting ourselves into the world.

and making a difference so that that's a. cool way to look at life that was his. cosmology you know that's uh I mean it's. a fascinating idea but what's terrifying. is that if we're a commodity then you. know we're like beef cows that are. eating all the grass that we want. because it's valuable for them to get. fat you know that that the chaos on this. on this planet is actually engineered to. ensure more Rich Souls you guys should. talk about that he lik I know some. people that that have been pretty far up.

the food chain that believe that that uh. that there is mass manipulation of human. Affairs uh on a global scale um for. reasons that we can't understand and. mass manipulation by humans or. non-humans non-humans of manipulating. humans by non-humans to do things that. uh they want us to do there are some. kind of things specifically for example. there's a what's it called the god of. Eden a guy named William brambley an. attorney sets out to write a book about. the causes of war and everywhere he goes.

in throughout human history he finds. evidence of some kind of a exterior. manipulation of human Affairs that they. somehow benefit from us killing each. other on a massive scale William. brambley gods of Eden and what what is. the speculation like what could it be. that they would Ben how would they. benefit maybe it's Souls maybe releasing. Souls that that they can. recycle them I I don't know uh it's been. 25 years since I read that book but it's.

worth a read I I look back at the. earlier this this year we had three UFOs. I'm using air quotes shot out of the sky. by the US military that's the story that. gets printed in newspapers US military. shoots down three UFOs one of them being. a Chinese balloon or whatever the other. ones were but you know the public paid. attention for what 2 three days and then. it's like uh Hey when's that new uh. Barbie movie coming out you know just. moved right along from it um yeah that's. that news cycle it's pretty wild but.

it's also again you can only hear about. UFOs for so I mean and I'm a Nut. obviously [ __ ] look at I'm obviously. a UFO nut we're friends here I could. only hear about it for so long before. I'm going I need something yeah I need. to see something show me some metal show. me some Hardware show me a [ __ ]. Frozen being something it just. UFO fatigue bro yeah yeah it is UFO I. got it too I hear it all the time hear.

it all the time I mean when you know. don't tell me anymore I don't want to. hear about any whistleblowers or. hearings until you show me the flying. saucer and the dead alien bodies yeah. yeah we get that all the time we got to. keep going of course we do have to keep. going well I mean you guys I mean George. when did you first break the Lazar story. was that was that ' 89 '89 and when you. broke that story was that your. introduction to this world or had you. already had a curiosity had done some. stuff starting in ' 887 it was John leer. John leer had walked in the station with. a stack of documents he had helped us.

break the story of this secret plane out. in the Nevada desert that was invisible. to radar stealth fighter and so he had. some credibility with us and he plopped. those documents on the desk of my. managing editor and my buddy and Mentor. Ned day Ned this is your next big story. it's the biggest story in history here. you go Ned looks at a couple of pages. shoves the pile back across to Lear and. said this can't be true if it was true. I'd already know about it you know it's. kind of cocky like many of us are and uh. so before Lear left the The Newsroom I.

said let me take a look at that stuff so. he gave me all these documents most of. it was stuff from a Freedom of. Information Act you know these agencies. like the FBI and CIA before Foya was the. law of the land would deny that they. ever did any studies that had any. interest whatsoever in UFOs then when. that was signed into law in the mid 70s. they had to release thousands and. thousands of pages that show they been. lying through their teeth that they had. been studying it all these pages of. information of studies and experts and. panels and all kinds of things like that.

so leer gave me that stuff and that's. how I got hooked is the paper trail that. established that our military our. intelligence agencies were telling the. public one thing don't worry your pretty. little heads pay attention Move Along. nothing to see here but behind the. scenes they took it very seriously they. were very concerned about where these. things were from and how this technology. works and the fact that they can't do. anything about it so that's how I got. hooked in ' 887 I started reading about. it and then uh meeting Lazar in ' 89.

almost by chance um and realized all. right look if I'm going to report on. this I got to really dig in and learn. everything I can and I was cocky enough. to think well give me six months I'll. have this whole thing figured out you. know that was 36 years. ago wow it's got to be crazy to see it. now in front of Congress I I had a. moment I did had a moment I just kind of. had to bow my head there when it came. over me after all this time seeing what.

was happening unfolding in front of me I. just never thought I would see it and uh. and what was really amazing is the the. partisan divide was gone suddenly. there's a there is an issue that the two. sides far left far right can agree on. there's AOC and Jamie Rasin on one side. of the room and there's Tim burett and. Matt Gates on the other and they're all. asking questions and it's not just. questions prepared by staff they're. doing follow-ups they're they're into it. they're they're in into it um it was.

amazing it was just absolutely amazing. to see. it have you heard any speculation as to. why they want to hide the information. have you heard anyone that says that. this is why yes so to the best of my. knowledge directly to me so many times. now I can't count is um strategic. surprise that we have to be ahead on. this that we know that uh Russia has a. UFO exploitation program reverse.

engineering we know China has one like. if these were theirs like they wouldn't. be having these huge programs they've. actually announced and bragged about in. China so it's strategic surprise. whatever we can derive from these. Technologies we know that it can be. weaponized we know that it is so. powerful just by the propulsion systems. alone how they move they suspect it's. gravitational just like Lazar said the. top dogss that that we know that have. worked on this problem set for our.

government Believe by observation that. these propulsion Technologies are. gravitationally based with that said it. goes back to Lazar we can't produce. gravity but what if you there it was he. said something that produces gravity so. if that is true then they know that just. even the laser Weaponry technology that. a colleague of mine and like actually. did study for our government I don't. know how far I can go on that one but. that's that's true that that people are.

looking at unknown Technologies and. exploiting them for Laser Technology. that is that is fact factual stuff he'll. tell you more about it later so if we. get left in the dust everybody believes. we're ahead right now in the secret. little reverse engineering why do they. believe we're ahead well maybe it's huis. I hope we're ahead everybody that I know. and everybody that George knows believes. that right now we are still ahead on. these reverse engineering programs so. let's let's just couch this let's say.

let's believe it for a second okay we're. reverse engineering UFOs okay it has. been conveyed to us in the most direct. sense that we believe we are ahead right. now but the way China Works they could. quickly get a quick Advantage because. they don't have the same restrictions. that we have they can control every. piece of that program no questions asked. we we can't quite do that so there's a. fear that we're going to be left in the. dust at some point and we'll have what.

they call Strategic surprise so that is. a good reason that I understand that. people want to keep this [ __ ] under. wraps right now I I don't believe that. if people if they said look you've been. seeing them all through human history. we're now capturing them on multitudes. of corroborative visual types of. evidence from thermal to radar that's. the big deal about what George and I. released about the 2019 swarms it's. corroborative Visual Evidence right now.

that we have all these sensors that are. so cool just tell people whatever we're. not alone whatever whoever these are. from maybe we don't know I don't know. that that's going to go over so well but. I I feel like we should tell people that. if we find out it to be true so most of. the reason why they're withholding the. information is not worried about the. collapse of society it's worried about. having control of this technology yeah I. believe so there's no way you can. separate National Security issues from.

this we the last time I was here Joe we. talked about nuclear incidents where. UFOs appear over nuclear missile. facilities missile bases they disable. those missiles that's happened in our. country it's happened in Russia I don't. know if it's happened in China but it's. real you could neutralize the entire. nuclear Arsenal with one of these. machines now that's real National. Security it's so interesting that our. government says you know dismisses. Project Blue Book because there's no. threat to National Security and yet it's.

clearly has National Security. implications if they can control our. nuclear weapons the the friends of mine. as far up the food chain as I've gone. have said this you can't tell your. friends without telling your enemies you. can't tell part of the story because no. one would ever be satisfied with part of. it you can't be halfway pregnant you. know so it's National National Security. and I I I can get with that like I get. that I am for I I I I understand that. explanation there's just a step further. that I'm not understanding yet yeah but.

I understand the naal what do you mean. by a step further like what we were. talking about before like what is it. that's so devastating because we get to. that point with people sometimes and. what is it that's so devastating like. they're okay with us reporting on stuff. like as friends like they're like you. know I'm not going to inhibit you in any. way George and I are in a weird position. so of course people are always trying to. trick us. all the time every day like major good. tricks they would love us to [ __ ] up.

like CGI video sure like you know how. you send me stuff sometimesy I'm trying. to think about it so imagine that on. like a much deeper level like trusted. people that come to you with stuff and. you just know it's a [ __ ] trap right. so I've been in that position numerous. times now check this out I think it's. cool to say um we have totally been. warned man that as journalists we are. doing what is good for the public so we. can obtain and release things like the.

Baghdad Phantom the moso orb like a. bunch of the so people leak stuff to me. and George and as journalists we have to. look at it and be like does this. endanger National Security because these. are from military platforms so if it. does we know we do our best with like. lawyers and everybody we try to make. sure we don't [ __ ] up right and. everybody knows we're Patriots we're. cool right but he and I have been. told numerous times the biggest worry. they have is a foreign intelligence.

agency getting their hands on some of. the weird Madness that comes our way. that we haven't been able to vet yet or. to make sure for National Security that. it's okay so people are cool with us as. journalists in America reporting for the. good of our country but there is a real. worry that other agencies outside of the. US might get some things that we haven't. vetted yet properly did I explain that. okay yeah I I'll just add this is that.

we were told earlier this year and in. fact the Department of Defense. spokesperson announced it there is a. Department of Justice investigation into. two of the images that we made public. this year um that's kind of unsettling. when you realize that there's a criminal. investigation to figure out not not. necessarily us yeah at least how did it. get into our hands and what was this. image well well there's a number I mean. so in in 2019 there was a swarm of UFOs. over 10 Navy warships George and I those. the pyramids so whatever shape they were.

don't even care check this out in this. is the bigger point in 2019 this thing. happened George and I obtained and. released footage that footage was radar. footage thermal footage infrared footage. and deck camera like normal video. footage people were missing the point. it's the first time in history that you. have military footage on four different. types of platforms or four different. types of Optics corroborative Visual. Evidence that go with the stories it's.

like David Commander fraver if he told. you he saw the Tic Tac that's one thing. but you also got a video from Commander. Chad Underwood because he went up and. filmed it what we provided was four. types of coopertive Visual Evidence over. a warning area in a training Zone which. we should talk about so that type of of. now we we have so much evidence to that. in 2019 that swarm so imagine if you're. the dod. and George and I say by the way we're. running a story and here's some footage. do you want to comment on it and they're.

like we didn't have some of this. footage I'm like what like how did you. not have your own footage so that's. already put us in a weird position with. the Pentagon and the dod they didn't how. do reporters get more information than. they that they have on their own do they. demand your sources they can't do that. they would never do that this is. journalism and America come at me with. that they'd like to know they they. certainly like to know but that is a. good job like just to be clear for.

everybody that's an important job is to. plug leaks so if somebody's going out. with National Security things like and. selling them to Russia or to China oh. [ __ ] yeah so they got a really important. job I wish them well on their job but as. journalists in America we can report on. this stuff and as long as we don't hurt. National Security we can report on this. can you tell everybody the base of that. one particular sighting yes happy to. cool start with the Omaha okay so do you.

want me to do it yeah sure okay so uh. 2019 there was a series of UFO swarms. over 10 Navy warships but it was. simultaneous so at any given time around. one ship there's anywhere from 6 to 14. I'd say of these just say unknown units. right so they appear like lights but. when you use thermal you can see that. they're kind of egg shaped and and. minimum size is 14t they weren't small.

right so the question is from our. military so from the Omaha the people. fighting the ship they're like the heck. is this right so they start um filming. it getting them on radar all this stuff. then how are they behaving so they. weren't doing extreme movements but I. have been able to contact some of the. Hilo Pilots right and these things were. self- luminous they were illuminated and. they actually were going into the water. if not out from the water I know for. sure they were going into the water. that's called trans meting we talked.

about that on one of our first podcast. together so all we know let's just call. them we don't know who they're from but. there's these objects that are doing. this ballet around 10 Navy warships at. one time and no one's taking claim for. them so the people on the ships their. job is to fight the ship now they didn't. feel under threat so like on the USS. Omaha when they're seeing all this. there's this they call the triangle of. kinetic action like when you would fire. on it right and it's like intent. opportunity and capability you have to. fulfill that triangle to be like Oh I'm.

going to blast that [ __ ] right the thing. is that that triangle wasn't fully. fulfilled because they didn't really. know the intent weren't sure of the. capability or opportunity so they're. kind of just observing these things. however I do know on multiple ships they. applied what they call the Ghostbuster. which is like electromagnetic like uh. package that can down drones but the. were not like DJI drones these were like. big objects so they were moving in this. like ballet but remember all the ships.

can communicate so now all these years. later I have people on every level of. that of those ships telling me this is. my experience this is what we saw they. would go around so there's about a 100. plus in the air at one time who were. they our own government still says we. don't know who they were and I'll tell. you. this that is not uncommon this this is. the craziest thing over the last few. years that George and I have have gotten. more testimony there was a swarm off the. coast of Japan in.

2021 where the ship was 300 miles from. any other ship or land mass and these. things were coming from the west and the. only thing over there is way is Hawaii. right no Landing no launch point so that. also by the way I'm not going to say. that one there there's swarms on the. East Coast post as well the point is. this happens more than people think now. is that an increased frequency are we.

seeing an increased frequency in UFOs. right now right it's an interesting. question because what we do know is we. have better technology to to sense them. right and to record them so are we just. seeing more of them because our sensors. are better why Always In Training ranges. well that's [ __ ] it's not always in. training ranges the reason you know. about it is because of leaks and people. bringing out we have the best sensors on. these ships in the world so we just hear. about it more on these training ranges.

USS Omaha so this thing was 14 ft round. spherical looking thing that followed. the ship for an hour they watched it on. thermal for an hour they had it on radar. there were several of them up to 14 at. time now what what is big and round and. travels now these ships are 100 miles. out offshore at night off the west coast. and these things are floating right. along with them is that a balloon. there's no tail there's no rotor they. don't know how the hell it was flying. there's no exhaust they don't know how.

it it was propelled at all and there was. a bunch of them and they got how fast. were they moving it's not top top speed. wasn't matter it was the so not like imp. super impressive but they don't know my. buddy somebody said to me I'm going to. really regret saying this to Jeremy it's. like they just appeared and he really. hated saying that to me because their. job is to know where these came from. where they're going where they launch. where they land so these things would. come up so we know they would go into. the water I I the sentiment is they were. coming also from the water but the thing.

is is that um they were unable to down. them with you know these electromagnetic. packages um it there were so many of. them they they're that big where did. they land where did they launch and so. there was a fake news story put up at. the New York Post they said case solved. it was some New York Post 2019 swarm. says case solved these were there was a. there was a Chinese cargo ship called. the Bass Strait so if you go to. Wikipedia even they say it was the bass. straight was landing and launching.

drones right well hold on the bast. Strait didn't have the deck capability. to to land or launch up to 100 plus of. these 14t or larger objects Additionally. the bast Strait was in Port in Long. Beach while this activity was happening. and we know people that boarded the ship. on behalf of our federal government to. look to see if they were part of the. [ __ ] right and then we got somebody. that came to me that says my one job.

that night was to make sure that nothing. was Landing or launching off the bass. straight because I wish I could say that. we did catch the culprits whoever. launched all these and he says I can't. report that to you we didn't I watch it. the whole time but the New York Post put. out this fake story that the mystery was. solved why do you think they did that. that's a great question debunking you. know typical debunking it's Chinese. drones 100 miles out the sea at night. you don't see where they were launched. from you don't see where they went to uh.

there's no ship out there that that. could be a launch um platform for it. where the hell they come from U it's an. easy way to just dismiss it uh but the. the the facts don't fit it what's the. best footage that we can look at like. the total best footage of that event. series the one that's real famous is the. black and white one um it's it's the USS. Omaha thermal I know I put it on. uh extraordinary beliefs there we go. there go there it is so this is the one. that went into the water yeah yeah they.

believe it went into the water this. particular one but remember there's 14. rolling right now at this time at this. exact second there's 14 of them swarming. the the ship so this is just they have. what is this what are they locked on. here so this is thermal so you should. see plumes of heat you should see rotor. wash you should see Wings you should see. something that allows this to propel the. shape you're seeing is the is the. thermal signature but they also believe. that to be the actual signature or or or.

shape of it there and it blinks out so. some so they said splash splash in the. video when you release it but that. doesn't mean it splashed into the water. um like there was no splash it was just. like they believed it went into the. water they actually sent this is not. public but I know it to be true they. sent a submarine to try to look for any. wreckage of this thing uh nothing so. imagine a 100 of these let's let's say I. thought about this the other day what if. they were comicazi drones right okay.

that's something but the problem is they. weren't um they they don't where did. they La launch from and also where's the. wreckage where if they're comicazi they'. find it so it's a it's okay so this is a. real problem for the people fighting the. ships they feel that they failed in. their duties because they weren't given. the right opportunities to investigate. and engage and um it happens more. regularly then our Navy would like to. admit that there are unknown objects in. the South China Sea out by Japan off the.

east coast and as recently I'll say as. uh this year what was the video or was. it just F photographic of the triangles. in the sky so that's a big topic of. debate right so that was from the USS. Russell so on the USS Russell let's say. I have one person that comes to me. that's these things right so the the. common wisdom is that they were oh dude. thank you actually for this opportunity. to explain this so check it. out you see optically a triangle shape.

right okay that's the radar footage from. the OM there so you see optically the. triangle shape now people said I made it. up that me that I made up pyramid uh in. shape now I put that in quotes when I. first reported on it because that's what. was in the intelligence reports that. happened to pass in front of our eyes. they have other sensors and that this. thing was pyramid in shape play Jamie. triangle by angle ofer end right after.

this I was just trying to get the. pyramid I just want to like this see it. moving around why is it flashing do they. know so that that's the whole thing so. there there's there's people that work. in these UFO programs that did a full. report on this not none of which is. really public so the the internet says. that this is B bokeh effect so like the. lens on the PVS 14 somebody taped a. triangle onto it so what you're seeing. is a a lens artifact and then in.

Congress they they backtracked from it. because they realized the pbs1 14. doesn't have a triangle aperture to make. a shape of of a pyramid looking thing. and they said it was the camera that was. being shot through they actually did. that in the first congressional UFO. hearing is say that it was that so to. back up we don't know the shape of it. George and I don't know. all we know is that in briefing. documents that we were exposed to and.

they have other sensor systems to. determine shape they said triangle by. angle of. observation pyramid in shape so I can't. justify to the public the shape because. it's just if they change their mind. hopefully they tell George here's the. other part that people leave out of this. discussion they say it's bokeh effect. it's actually showing star s in the sky. they leave out this little inconvenient. fact is that they have a rangefinder on. the ship these things were 700 ft off.

the deck of the ship if it was a star it. would have fried uh Earth into a cinder. if it was 700 feet away uh it's not a. star it was an object that was 700 feet. off the ship so there were two at that. moment so there there's a briefing slide. that we Acquired and made public and. there was nothing in it to say it was. classified it was a briefing slide and. in that briefing slide if if Jamie finds. it it actually tells you you know. triangle by angle of observation 700. feet off of the the after whatever of.

the ship so look we're getting down to. one piece of evidence what people forget. is that this was a three night event. series with over a 100 objects Airborne. at one time surrounding 10 Navy warships. so the big question is well who knew our. warships were there and what Commander. fraver said uh at the hearing we don't. test experimental [ __ ] on ourselves. without warning people that we're doing. it he's like that would be really.

dangerous and I'll give you an example. um in. 2019 one of the ships um I've I've. spoken with one of the people fighting. the ship so they're called the Tao's. tactical action. officers and what was reported to me was. that when they were getting. swarmed that the Admiral ordered what's. the name of that rail gun or whatever. the um fuing I forget the name of it. some cool name but it's like this really. high-powered shooting metal up and and.

they're like we had active flights we. had hilos in the sky can you imagine. somebody being like we're getting sworn. pull out the Gatling gun or whatever it. is you know like they The Whiz the whz. oh or something I don't know um the. still images yeah this is the slide that. was used in this um in a briefing that. was prepared by the UAP task force that. was the briefing that was delivered to. the Joint GS to certain members of. Congress and in this time there was two. of them that were over this uh ship at.

this exact time so yes so three see how. they say three unknown uas um unmanned. aerial systems that cuz I asked I asked. the people that wrote this why did you. say uas and not uh UAP or whatever and. like we didn't really have that language. yet of of what to call it so they they. debated over it they said that's the. right term so this image is to repres. present you know one of these um what. does the S stand for in uas uh unmanned.

AAL system or and there's another one. unmanned so that is one option and I. asked one of the guys why did you say. unmanned and he goes because of the the. size of it it wasn't quite big enough to. put a human man in you know so he's like. that was just the best terminology that. we had he goes now I would just straight. up say you know UAP these were. unidentified flying objects UFOs right. so I don't know we're kind of Ju Just to. wrap this is like 2019 is an important.

event because it's well documented we. were able to provide not just from the. USS Russell not just from the Omaha we. brought Witnesses forward I think it was. like episode two of our shows like we. had people come in with their testimony. um it's an important case because swarms. happen all the time on these training. ranges and with it what appears to be an. increased frequency and and people ask. why training ranges and it might be.

because whoever these people are. interested in what we're playing with. the East Coast we have a base a naval. air station called oceanana it's. gigantic it's the biggest Naval Air. Station on the East Coast it's a key. training range for all our Naval. aviators the best pilots in the world. they fly out into this area I think it's. w72 every day I reported this in 2018 I. think people thought I was making it up. but in 2014 and 2015 these pilots fly. out into the same area every single day.

and every single day they were seeing. these unidentified objects sitting right. there they would sit there for days at a. time 30 40,000 ft it's not a balloon. they would just sit there in 100 knot. winds right off the base so they could. see what was going on at that base see. what training was going on it was some. kind of an observation uh uh operation. but we didn't know whose they were. Pilots would see him every day but. wouldn't report it because they don't. want to have to go through the the. hassle of hey you saw a UFO fill out the. paperwork get interviewed about it but.

eventually When J Stratton became head. of the UAP task force he started talking. the Navy into come on guys we need to. document this stuff so Pilots started. taking pictures with their cell phones. they they detect these things uh on. their sensor systems fly over bi them. and get get a couple of photos there. were three different ones that we we. made public uh they don't look like the. Starship Enterprise they look just weird. objects we had no idea whose they were. but they were seeing them every day and.

I know when when we first reported that. people thought we were making it up but. then Dave then uh Ryan Graves came out. and said yeah it's true we were reported. it years before you know we hear stuff. before and everybody's like oh come on. every [ __ ] day you know turns out. it's true but here's the deal on the. internet they solved it they're like. these are all just balloons or cold. Birds you know and here's the. deal Pilots. see that stuff all the time these are. actual you've heard the the the the.

Spheres the cubes with spherical like. these Pilots are not making it up it. it's so weird to me the internet can. just like feel like they solved its. balloons these are constantly and these. are our fighter pilots and I'm not. saying they're inflable but there's so. much data now so what is this one on the. internet will tell you it's a Batman. balloon is that one legit that's called. the acorn they don't know what it is. they don't know what it is this was in a. classified brief this was in a. classified briefing but it is inherently.

unclassified this image itself because. it was from a cell phone MH but the. thing is internet has said that's a. Batman balloon okay maybe but the thing. is is that there's three more in that. series that George obtained and released. one they call blimp with metallic blimp. with payload um which is important the. payload part but you know look man. that's a balloon yeah um um hold please. I'm going to take a leak we'll come. right back yeah yeah yeah maybe I'll.

piss too all right we're back up right. uh where were. we Ju Just on these on these um every. day these Pilots are seeing things and. in fact they're worried about flight. safety and but also that's just a good. way in for people to take it seriously. it's a much bigger issue than just. flight safety but that's something. everybody can get behind you know what I. mean so the the the debunkers would say.

what we're seeing because they're seeing. it over these restricted. airspaces uh these warning zones is. we're seeing our drones we're seeing. some sophisticated technology that's top. secret stuff and they'd be incorrect and. the other way of looking at it would be. the reason why they're in this area is. these are the areas where our most. sophisticated fighter jets operate and. they're observing so so that's one thing. so maybe there's observation programs.

like there's this thing you know about. baiting with nuclear weapons like if you. talk to any of these drivers who do. these nuclear trucks there's not one. that doesn't have a story about being. followed by an unidentified so there's. this idea that there's an interest by. these like an observational. program by whoever operating these. but also we just have some of the best. Technologies to record these out in our. training ranges I was told that there.

was an active program it was an. experiment really with nuclear powered. um ships uh and carrying nuclear weapons. and they wanted to see if something. would follow them and they did it 18. times and 18 out of 18 these objects. tailed alongside they just wanted to. document that that that they're. interested in nuclear stuff 18 out of 18. times it followed him but they just seem. to be. watching that's the debate so commander. fraver Graves and David grush were all.

asked at this hearing they said I don't. remember who it was it was a a gentleman. who said do you think that this is. possibly an observation program yes yes. yes do you think you know they could be. uh you know we could be in trouble. because of it or I don't remember what. he asked yes yes possibly so so I think. think the answer from those involved. would be it could be a reconnaissance. thing it could be an operational thing.

you know where they're watching how we. react to things hypothetically I have no. idea but the option is there for that. they just been here so long though it's. it's like how many times do you need to. send drones to map the moon one time. right what if they if the bottom line is. they live here they've always lived here. they maybe they're separated by some. kind of a dimensional membrane or. something they can come in and out of. our Lives they can watch us when we're. sleeping when we're taking a shower when. we're in the bathroom uh they can see us.

and enter our lives and we can't do. anything about it people could freak out. about that what if they are us from the. future which has been explored a lot. that maybe we [ __ ] up the planet so. bad that we end up looking like little. gray aliens sometime in the distant. future and they're coming back to check. us out to to uh see the point of where. things went wrong that could be. disturbing to a lot of people. well the the disturbing thing is that. the little gray aliens are some sort of. cyborg right then then they're. genderless and it seems like they.

communicate without M mouth noises they. just have a little slit for a mouth yeah. some of these have Pilots apparently I. know that's a weird thing to say but. some of them seem to be drones you know. doing a function like the Tic Tac when. it was coming from above 880,000 ft and. it was dropping down to sea level. uh it was commander fr's first interview. was with me and he said the best way I. could describe it is. docking with what there was something.

under the water right that's what was. making that white water so the idea that. these things were somehow communicating. with something under the water is really. embedded in the core of that story if. that's true right then these things were. coming down and docking now that would. be more like a drone right rather than. something is occupied right these these. Tic Tacs the the fallacy is people say. oh look if anything were to move that.

way it must be a radar glitch because if. anything were to move that way it would. instantaneously crumble and explode and. you're like well wait a second the huus. of your idea that we are the Apex of. Technology right now that the material. science we have that are means of. propulsion like you've said before used. to be horses bicycles cars jet cars. spaceships right so now what does it. look like if we had 100,000 years of. more Evolution technologically 200,000.

what about a [ __ ] million do you. think that they would have the. same atmosphere around these craft to. apply that same type of physics so. that's why Commander fraver said at at. the hearing he goes yes it is far more. advanced than anything from our known. physics at this time he leaves it open. that we might not have figured it all. out yet and do most of these sightings.

take place near. water it's yeah a lot of them are a lot. of them go in and out of water um there. is some uh suspicion that maybe they've. got a settlement under the ocean you. know that they could get away with. hiding down there we wouldn't be able to. detect them there's an awful lot of. sightings over water sure but not all of. them yeah I would say there's a. correlation that we cannot deny that. there is a lot of movement in and out of. the water with whatever UAP or UFO are. but I would not agree that it is.

directly connected these things can and. do like appear uh basically wherever the. [ __ ] they want I mean that's that for me. getting reports every damn day for and. George for. decades dude this thing is everywhere. machines that outpace out maneuver and. outperform what we have now do they. speculate that all of these different. machines come from one particular group. of entities or is there multiple.

civilizations that are visiting us yeah. they think it's maybe it's more than one. answer it's entirely possible um because. they you know the craft look different. the beings look different the reports. you get from all over the world over the. decades we don't really know for sure. what they do look like because they can. they seem to be able to change their. shape. at least change what how we perceive. them in our head I don't know if they're. manipulating our perceptions or what I I. know people are going to like hear this.

and be like oh that's like this crazy. leap that there are pilots to these. things all I know for sure is okay UFOs. are real we we we have technology that. we don't know where it's from we have. been reverse engineering or trying to do. that I am solid on those three things I. am also solid on the fact that this has. been held back from the American public. like no. doubt maybe for good. reason on some. level but I also know that some of it's.

been done what we would call illegally. now that word is really like nuanced. because of National Security maybe it's. not. illegal what makes anybody think that. they just want to give up the goodies. now and tell everybody what's going on. now the same tactics that's been used. for the last 70 plus years on secy. ridicule all that right now is on. hyperdrive has anyone come to you and. describe the different kinds of beings. and how many they think there are I'll. give you a cool story you'll like this I.

I talked before about the paper trail. how there is a document a trail of. documents that you can look at there was. a chapter in an a textbook being used at. the US Air Force Academy and until UFO. people found out about it this is what. they were teaching our best and. brightest Pilots at the Air Force. Academy and that chapter said in the. course of your career as Aviator you're. likely going to encounter one of these. things here's what we know about them. there are four we know that there are. four different alien races visiting this.

planet and they've been here for. thousands of years now that is. Blockbuster stuff to be teaching future. Joint Chiefs of Staff members and. commanders of air bases when was this. published this is in the 1960s so but. when when word of that word when a word. of that chapter got out UFO people found. out about it they pulled it they yanked. it out and took it out of the textbook. I'll tell you man I've been to the nav. Academy got to sit in on an aerospace. class it was so [ __ ] cool and these. dudes I canot imagine what it would be. like they off all have to wear uniforms.

and stuff and like you. know what would that be like sitting. there reading that chapter in your. official. textbook right it's crazy yeah there's. four different kinds of. beings well how did they describe the. four different beings George yeah I. don't I don't remember I'd have to look. that up I'll bet you Damie could find. that I've only heard of the Grays and. the tall whites. there's major kill uh Kilpatrick the.

second ranking officer in public affairs. the air Air Academy in a position to. speak authoritatively for the Air Force. he admitted at once that plebs are. taught from a text entitled introductory. space science volume two and an entire. chapter 33 deals entirely with UFO. considerations he quoted from page 455. that 50,000 virtually reliable people. have reported citing unidentified flying.

objects this leads us with the. unpleasant possibility of alien visitors. to our planet the 14-page chapter. continues or at least alien controlled. UFOs according to the academy textbook. if such beings are visiting Earth two. questions arise one why haven't they. attempted to contact us officially and. two why haven't their been accidents. which would have revealed their presence. why no contact that question is very. easy to answer in any of several ways. one we may be the object of intensive.

sociological and psychological study in. such studies you usually avoid. disturbing the test subjects environment. two you do not contact a colony of ants. and humans may seem that way to any. aliens variation a zoo is a fun place to. visit but you don't contact the lizards. three such cont may have already taken. place secretly and may have taken place. on a different plane of awareness and we. are not yet sensitive to Communications.

on such a plane what does that. mean uh in releasing this interview with. the leemore uh Advanced uh the leore. advanced we are well aware that many. readers were will certainly raise an. eyebrow or two but major Kilpatrick. insisted the above chapter in the text. is not a fair story at the end he seemed. to go along with the recommendations of. the physics techbooks textbook which. advises Air Force officers as follows.

the best thing to do is keep an open and. skeptical mind and not take an extreme. position on any side of the. question astonishing isn't that wow I. had I have a copy of the original. textbook the chapter I'll find it for. you somewhere this is what's fascinating. to me such contact may have already. taken place secretly and may have taken. place on a different plan of awareness. yeah and we are not yet sensitive to. Communications on such a plane what does. that mean it's just an Air Force. textbook dude don't worry about.

it wow. 50,000 credible sightings they're. sighting and this is in. 1966 I think is when that chapter was. out. wow may they just let that guy slip in a. chapter I mean that's crazy you know and. then the skeptic would say why aren't we. seeing them more yeah want to be seeing. yeah well I mean we are in ter we know. there's eight billion people right and. so is it every day someone sees. something in your world you're like why.

aren't we seeing them all the time in my. world it's like godamn dude every day. I'm inundated with reports from credible. people that were you know have been. served in the military that have don't. want to be known they just want to be. heard they don't even want me to repeat. you know so in my perspective and I'm. sure George's too there's so much of. this like contact with these unknowns on. a the have you ever asked a table of 10. has anybody ever seen a UFO or know.

somebody that does have you ever done. that um no I've had conversations with. friends though and you know I've talked. to guys whove seen some things that they. couldn't explain smart people you trust. yes yeah not nuts I mean nuts for sure. but um I mean nuts have told me that for. sure but in ter I had one guy was like. showing me all these photos of clouds. yeah I get it every day I'm what is it. and he's like I see them every day and. he's showing me more photos I go what is. it and he goes alien spaceships can't.

you see it and I'm like bro those are. clouds I don't know what to say here. like I was really disturbing you didn't. zoom in Joe well like it's like I didn't. know this guy was nuts I thought this. guy was pretty okay and then he's. showing me all these pictures of clouds. and I'm like what the [ __ ] so there's. categories of trust when you're talking. with people so you got the guy with his. cell phone making you look at clouds and. you're just not zooming in enough but. then there's also different levels so. you'll have somebody come and say I was. working at a military installation and.

there were cameras everywhere and we. captured this thing come through our. facility which is a totally restricted. facility M we couldn't lock on it with. our Weaponry you know so if you have. like a an aerosat or something and it's. got this like thermal camera and you can. lock on and shoot out a tire of an. Al-Qaeda truck at 23 Mi they couldn't. lock thing was actively jamming their. weapon system and then you can't see it. in IR you can only see it in thermal. that's an example very credible witness.

doesn't want to be known just wanted me. to know to see if I could find out more. info another one uh pantex so it's like. a nuclear facility and there was. numerous events there have been numerous. events at a nuclear facility of. intrusions so people have come to me in. George and they've told us their account. and they're hoping that we can find out. more information on it but it's such a. secretive facility but there was an. object that came right between the.

nuclear missile um holding facilities. like in between three and four I think. and it goes right through and it looks. kind of strange it it looks more like um. a jellyfish than it did like a UF like a. saucer and then the thing goes straight. through with a controlled angle and then. 45° just just shoots off into you can't. see it anymore so we get these all the. time people that have nothing to gain. only things to lose and they're hoping.

we're going to be able to find out more. information by giving us that one little. piece we have some pretty cool images. that we haven't made public yet that. we're trying to figure out uh give them. up respons if it's responsible to do so. I'm responsible yeah it's we don't want. to go to jail I need to be responsible. that right I understand yeah I. understand that was what was interesting. in talking to people like Christopher. melon too they describe things that. haven't been released that people. satellite imagery yeah straight up that. exist like clear as day like the best.

footage so what is it going to do for. you if if let's say the government puts. out an image from a satellite platform. that they're allowed to tell us about. right and you and you see a craft the. first thing the internet's going to do. is going to say that's fake you know. that's that's what's going to happen one. t one image one video is never going to. do anything it's not it would be nice. though it would be nice to see something. Crystal Clear like even the Batman. balloon it's like okay I'm not sure what.

that is yeah 100% pretty far away cell. phones are pretty good but maybe the guy. had a Samsung like one of them old ones. but remember we we can make fun of One. image and we can say that one image we. don't like that image but when you take. into consideration how everything has. structurally changed within our for our. fighter pilots where because they're. engaging these they're not just taking a. photo it's on their ASA it's on their. Collective AI radar they pick it up on. sensors and then they go in and get. closer try to see it so whatever this. thing was like the Batman balloon how.

big was that supposedly I think it's 40t. across I think and then um that same. flight by the way shot three of them. three objects all three different shapes. all three in the same flight path off of. oceanana so they got video of all these. I shot photos of them cuz that's legal. to put out you know for it's like on. their own is that the best one though no. I I like the the the metallic blimp with. payload that one was part of the an. official um uh representation of what.

people should look out for and why the. payload is important is because that's. how they determine if they're going to. shoot at it so if if you're overseas and. there's a an unidentified and and you. see another country firing upon it. you're like okay it's definitely not. theirs cuz they're firing on it the US. well I say the US a a collaborative. group of countries like five eyes right. have fired on these things based on two. things one proximity to ground troops if.

you're like 27 37 miles away from ground. troops they're blowing it up second. thing is if it appears to have a. payload fire on it oh because then you. can get whatever they're carrying. around they don't want it to be a bomb. coming in we got these fighter pilots. better cell phones I agreed you know. like what's the best zoom is is it the. Samsung Galaxy s23 Ultra yeah but the. problem is when you start zooming. especially if they're moving you have to. be so. stable yeah they're fly lot of those.

have image stability now but again once. you're zooming in it becomes yeah it's. like a math problem of like the farther. you zoom in the more stabilization you. need what is the best zoom one though I. mean they technically have a 100x zoom. but the Galaxy yeah good well at least. that seems like a better option than. whatever the [ __ ] they're using but but. but also I mean whoever whatever this is. they don't necessarily like want to be. seen like um that's the thing it's hard. to accept they don't want to be seen but. they're tracking them with jets if they.

can just take off at insane rates of. speed wouldn't they just do that if if. they have all this footage of these. things it's obvious that they're being. seen they must know they're being seen. right they sit there for days days at a. time they sit there off the east coast. days and this 40 foot one this Batman. balloon looking thing um I want to back. up on that I have no idea no idea I. believe I found the chapter of this book. and this is a weird. paragraph This one the Ireland in. Ireland at about 1,000 ad supposed.

airships were treated as demon ships and. how do you say that Leon France uh. admitted space Travelers were killed. more recently on 24 of July 1957 Russian. anti-an air anti-aircraft batteries on. the coral Coral Coral Islands open fire. on UFOs although all Soviet. anti-aircraft batteries on the islands. were in action no hits were made the. UFOs were luminous and moved very fast.

we too have fired on UFOs about 10:00. one morning a Radar Site nearer fighter. base picked up on a UFO going 700 mil an. hour the UFO then slowed down to 100. milph and two f86 were scrambled to. intercept eventually one f86 closed on. the UFO at about 3,000 ft altitude the. UFO began to accelerate away but the. pilot still managed to get within 500. yards of the target for a short period. of time it was definitely saucer shaped. as the pilot pushed the f86 at top speed.

the UFO began to pull away when the. range reached a th000 yards the pilot. armed his guns and fired in an attempt. to down the saucer he failed and the UFO. pulled away rapidly Vanishing into the. in the distance the same basic situation. may have happened on a more personal. level on Sunday morning evening 21. August 195 5 eight adults and three. children were on the Sutton Farm one. half a mile away from Kelly Kentucky. when according to them one of the.

children saw a brightly glowing UFO. settle behind the barn out of sight from. where he stood other Witnesses on nearby. Farms also saw the object however the. Suttons dismissed it as a shooting star. and did not investigate approximately 30. minutes later at 8:00 p.m. the family. dogs began barking and two of the men. went the back door and looked out. approximately 50 ft away and coming. towards them was a creature wearing a. glowing silvery suit I was about three. and it was about 3 and 1/2 feet tall. with large round head and very long arms.

it had large webbed hands which were. equipped with claws two Sutton grabbed a. 12 gauge shotgun and a 22 caliber pistol. and fired at close range they could hear. the pellets and bullet Ricochet as if. off metal the creature was knocked down. but jumped up and scrambled away the. Sutton retreated into the house turned. off all inside lights and turned on the. porch light at that moment one of the. women who was peeking out of the dining. room window discovered that a creature.

with some sort of helmet and wide slit. eyes was peeking back at her she. screamed and the men rushed and started. shooting the creature was knocked. backwards but again scrambled away. without apparent harm more shooting. occurred a total of about 50 rounds over. the next 20 minutes and the creatures. finally left perhaps feeling unwelcome. says uh after about two and uh 2hour. wait for safety the Sutton's left too. this is that's a pretty famous case. Kelly Hopkinsville case I wonder what. kind of me those guys like at the end.

too the last what he when he quoted what. you reading earlier it ends right here. where it says controlled UFOs and then. this was left out of what we read but it. still says there's it says this leaves. up the imposs possibility the alien. visitor to our planet at least alien. controlled UFOs however the data are not. well correlated and what questionable. data there R suggest the existence of at. least three and maybe four different. groups of aliens possibly at different. stages of development this too is.

difficult to accept it implies the. existence of intelligent life on a. majority of the planets in our solar. system or a surprisingly strong interest. in Earth by members of other solar. systems a solution to the UFO problem. may be obtained by the long and diligent. effort of a large group of well financed. and competent scientists un. unfortunately there is no evidence. suggesting that such an effort is going. to be made yeah yeah that's what they're. teaching the Air Force Academy in Wild.

[ __ ] so this was also part of what Bob. was saying when he was working uh back. engineering these things is that the way. they were doing science was not. compatible with technological innovation. that they weren't they weren't allowed. to communicate they weren't allowed to. collaborate and this is how science gets. done it doesn't get done in a vacuum and. it doesn't get done with one geeked out. nerdy propulsions expert who you [ __ ]. definitely F overy figure this out yeah.

I mean Bob has said it many times and. probably to you too Joe that he. shouldn't have been hired for that they. should have had better people for it. they probably didn't know what to do it. sounds like is that I mean I would. imagine if I as I am someone who doesn't. understand any of that stuff and I'm. trying to figure out who to hire. like I you know where do you go how do. you do this how do you how do you scan. the right how do you know who's going to. shut the [ __ ] up how do you how do you.

get them to do it how do you explain. what the job is how do you get them to. accept the fact that the you might get. picked up at 10 p.m. and you have to. tell your wife you're going somewhere. and then you don't you can't even tell. where you're going you're just going to. fly to this [ __ ] hidden Air Force. brace that everyone denies actually. exists we have to remember that like we. all know Area 51 existed in 1989 when. Bob Lazar was talking about Area 51 it. was officially denied they they. pretended it did not exist so they were.

flying him for sure to this place that. did not exist right you know and you. know all the stuff with his background. and the Los Alamos labs how he's on the. employee roster like I mean there's. enough of his story now that seems to. corroborate with all the things we're. seeing that I think people that were. skeptical should they should really go. back and watch that documentary again. just go your documentary is fantastic. it's it's really good too because it was. that of the podcast we did with him was.

a great opportunity to let him just. expand on these things and man it. doesn't seem like [ __ ] and that's. what's scary what's crazy is if this. guy's actually telling the truth and. they're just spinning their wheels out. there in the desert with these [ __ ]. UFOs trying to figure out what they are. and they don't get anywhere everyone. that we have talked to that's had some. involvement with those programs and we. have talked to other people all say the. same thing is that the excessive secrecy. it it's so compartmentalized so few. people get to look at it and work on it.

that they've made no progress every. couple of years they take it back out. give some other people a chance to look. at it analyze it try to take a crack at. it and then they put it back and stash. it back in the hanger somewhere uh you. know in a sense I think Bob Lazar might. have been the perfect guy maybe not the. most qualified scientist in the world. but obviously a bright guy who thinks. outside the box and someone they could. discredit yeah they feed him a bunch of. stuff in these briefing documents that. make no sense or are hard to believe you. know Al aliens see us as containers of.

souls they they created Jesus things of. that sort and figuring he'll maybe spill. it to John leer or somebody like me and. then you can discredit him you know and. and he certainly was easy enough to to. go after well that's a tactic right you. you give out credible information along. with a bunch of [ __ ] and that person. will say the [ __ ] and then you could. easily discredit them but you know that. kind of secrecy and they're not making. the kind of progress that otherwise was. an open investigation and they have a.

lot of big brainiacs who are tackling it. that they've never allowed it to happen. we we hear that all the time that they. still have not made progress because of. the excess of secrecy on it and also the. material science that that that's the. other thing like um I gave you that. example of graphine right we we do not. have the ability to perfectly atomically. print print Alloys in zero gravity yet. like here on Earth right so some of. these materials we are told are so far. Advanced we can't even begin to.

replicate the material science necessar. no let me stop you there you're talking. about materials that we've actually. collected yes so there have been. examinations on materials that defy what. we understand now about Metallurgy right. they're like adjusted atom by atom like. layers of an atom we can't do that stuff. we can't do that or maybe we can in some. Advanced La we will one day I'm an. optimist and who has. this government has it military has it.

uh Lockheed big aerospace companies like. that have it uh there are some pieces in. private hands Gary Nolan has some jock. valet has a couple of. pieces right um some people you know. have been in position to try to acquire. this so there are some companies right. that would love to get their hands on. these and they're actually actively. bidding to do that uh George has. interviewed a president of one company. that was really seeking those meta. materials to see if they can make an.

advancement on it they're they're a. great company they want a UFO baby they. want to study it but um I don't. know one of the things that I had read. recently um someone was speculating that. when Bob Lazar went to look at it he. said it seemed as if it was made out of. one piece like it it just didn't make. any sense like was right out of a mold. right but now we know about 3D printing. and this person was uh speculating that. perhaps this is now that we know that we.

can do things like that you know and now. they can have an advanced version of. that to make these crafts out of these. spectacular Alloys yeah when when Bob. plays his life in reverse a little bit. he's like I wish I knew then what I knew. now he would have paid more attention to. stuff the only thing that made sense to. him was the honeycomb hatch like this is. the only thing on the on the craft that. he said he saw that made like rational. sense it was this retractable hatch on. the on the on the floor level that.

looked like honeycomb and you could like. literally pull it with your finger and. it just collapsed in on itself but it. was really strong and structurally like. you could stand on it when it was you. know closed up and he's like that's the. only thing in that craft that my mind. could see as um like Ingenuity that I. could understand everything else like. you said he thought first he said. injection mold and here we are in 2024. now it is and he's like is it 2024.

2023 you know that don't even start dude. don't even start I'm in the future um. you know that that it's like just hoping. I want to get there quick so it all. comes out just like my brain man so. anyway um yeah that that we could uh. atomically print something one day like. that would be the way it appears you. could make it K there are indications. that it's made in zero gravity that's. Bigelow's interest in the space program. he he figured if you could eventually. have a factory in space you could make.

this stuff these kinds of metam. materials uh drugs things that that you. can't manufacture here we could make. them up in space that's why they're they. believe that some of these materials. came from somewhere else because we. don't have any factories in space that. can make that stuff that that is. actually an interesting thing is like um. what what would be the difference in. building materials in a zero gravity. environment when you're looking to. perfectly align atoms right right is. that just our own limitations of what we.

understand of technology and is it. possible that they figured out how to do. it even with gravity maybe maybe right. now I haven't seen evidence of it but. yeah maybe but it it seems like it's so. outside of our understanding already. well we didn't have it in 1947 that's. for sure for sure right and that is that. what this where this stuff is supposed. to some of it some of it Y and you know. maybe they think also that it's not just. the layering The Meta materials that. give it unique properties like cuz the. skin of The Craft itself when you talk. to some of these military people that. had like real close encounter and they.

saw it they often say I I can't if I had. a nickel for every time someone said. this to me it had this golden hue like. I've never seen before it was um. undulating as if it was I know this. sounds weird Jeremy but as if it was. intelligent in some way so the the the. idea that I have that has been impressed. upon me is that however these things are. built that it's it's not only seamless. but it's integrated in a way where the. technology itself is like to amplify.

gravity waves whatever Bob said it did. off of element 115 that the actual. physical structure itself has purpose. other than just the way it layers for. the skin does that does that make sense. like the way it's an integrated you're. machine yeah that's what I'm told over. and seems that makes sense like we think. of structure as only being structure. because that's what we're capable of. today if you have a tank the outside is. just the structure but what if the.

outside is actually a part of the the. thing itself and how it operates and. moves yeah that's uh a lot that's been. discussed we've heard it a number of. times that the possibility that we have. been able to duplicate the technology. because those beings are part of it and. it's part of the process that somehow. they can fly it and we can't right that. there's a con like how we have a thumb. print on an iPhone they have some. connection to the what kind of controls. are in these things supposedly dep who. you ask man what what do Bob say there. was nothing no no nothing right no.

moving Parts yeah yeah so Bob's example. on the one he saw right was that there. was nothing there were these little. consoles but there was nothing there. were just these rectangles sitting there. there were all chairs were sitting into. all three chairs were sitting in towards. that Center um propulsion thing I mean. there's way other stories of other. people and what they've seen but it. makes sense I mean if you had if you. were operating it with an iPhone if you. were operating you can operate a drone. with an iPhone right well it makes sense.

if you are some sort of a cyborg that. you have this capability embedded into. your actual being yeah sure and that. they don't need any equipment they just. operate it they just move it and it. probably moves in some sort of a. telepathic way with using whatever that. thing is inside their [ __ ] head boy. wouldn't you like to see that thing huh. when you're talking about like autopsies. split open that melon what the [ __ ]. going on in there I want to see that man.

you're going to get into your Tesla you. know at one day and your bio your body's. probably going to start that engine up. mine already works with my phone yeah I. don't even have my key on me I use my. phone I get in my car with my phone I. get near it it opens the door it's wild. you know there is a government program. that studied this stuff that studied. meta materials that projected how far. out into the future what we might be. able to do at some point it's assap it's. the program I told you about when I was. here before so 3 years ago or so when I. was here I told you that I showed you a.

couple of documents that were releasable. there are a hundred reports that would. probably be taller than me if you stack. them up on and the public has not seen. one page of it all that stuff that. analyzed meta materials warp drive. things of that sort really futuristic. alien type stuff that was done for the. DIA for our govern government Congress. hasn't seen it the public hasn't seen it. media hasn't seen it it was part of what. we told Congress when we were there hey. you guys should go after this stuff. because all that work was done the.

taxpayers paid for it and not one page. of it been released you tried to get. some of that [ __ ] out yeah right imagine. if these beings our I mean you know that. technology moves in these kind of. exponential. jumps imagine if these beings came in. 1947 what do they have now. and are we getting their [ __ ] boxes are. these like the old [ __ ] rusted out. 1971 Chevys that they just left the.

desert I mean I wonder I mean maybe the. [ __ ] aliens that come here are the. yahoos you know like I have that joke. about. Tiana that Earth is the Tiana of outer. space it I wonder if they're you know. there's recreational visitation as well. we could be the drive-in movie theater. you know and see the weirdo you know the. we weird earthlings you know they do the. craziest [ __ ] it probably would be Absol. I mean just like chimp Empire right it. probably would be absolutely fascinating.

to embed yourself and somehow or another. at least be accepted have you seen chimp. Empire no fantastic documentary series. on um Netflix and the the scientists. were embedded in this group of. chimpanzees for 30 years so they had. very specific rules you don't eat food. in front of them you don't get within 20. yards of them and so every time the. chimps would get close to 20 yards. they'd back out and they never had food. around them and The Chimps just didn't.

pay attention to them because they were. just so accustomed to them they grew up. with these humans around them and the. humans had cameras and the humans don't. do anything they just stand around they. don't seem to have anything to offer for. The Chimps so The Chimps just leave them. alone and you can get like crazy close. footage when you watch them behave and. it is unb believably fascinating which. is what drives me crazy when people like. Neil degr Tyson say things like why. would they be interested in us why would. they be interested in us like what are.

you talking about are you out of your. [ __ ] mind we are so goddamn. fascinating I mean we will send. scientists to the middle of the Amazon. to find a new Slug and you're telling me. you don't think that [ __ ] territorial. Apes with thermonuclear weapons who have. video on their phones and communicate. with each other through social media. this emerging consciousness of the. internet this understanding of different. language the ability to translate.

instantaneously that the fact that. there's nuclear conflicts that may be. erupting the fact that we're destroying. the ocean and sucking all the fish out. and [ __ ] sending coal into the. atmosphere you don't think that's crazy. you don't think that's worthy of. discussion and and review and and. consideration and for an advanced alien. species that understands that this thing. right here with all this technology this. is what we used to be a million years. ago of course you imagine if you could.

go [ __ ] watch cavemen how Wild that. would be you imagine if there was like a. place on Earth where Time Forgot and. they found actual cavemen they could be. like grad students from other planets. coming here to do their ter paper or. something like that write their thesis I. love the techn terrestrial Theory this. is my favorite one out of all this stuff. which is that uh totally just [ __ ]. around here this is not something I I. believe but I love the idea that there's. some sort of directed. panspermia that seeded our planet that.

started to build workers to get towards. the goal of evolving technology and as. we get thumbs and as we start building. they start dropping these crashes around. for us oh we start knocking on them we. start figuring them out and over decades. and generations and generations we get. more advanced we become part of this. technological force in our solar system. in our universe and then we become like. a beacon of that evolving technology. where we become space Fairing and that's.

done everywhere in the galaxy in. multiple galaxies I love that idea that. we're part of this techn terrestrial. kind of um directed panspermia that we. are performing what we are made to. perform which is to become space fairing. I'm just making this up but it's a cool. idea there was a guy who uh he was the. model for um he studied Dolphins a. brilliant scientist he was also the. model for Altered States that that movie.

um but in real life he believed he yeah. yeah he developed the theory that it is. in essence AI is traveling through the. Galaxy a planet at a time that it is. it's responsible for UFO sightings. that's how it moves that's my theory. about people that we are are the the. we're the caterpillar the electronic. caterpillar that gives birth to the. butterfly like we don't even know what. we're doing we're just creating this. cocoon that we're constantly innovating.

technology if you looked at human beings. if you were outside of the earth and you. were just just completely alien you'd. say well what does this thing do well it. makes better things and it works. constantly to get better things like. materialism seems to be baked into our. existence it's how uh people attribute. status and and and Prestige is like what. items do you possess and what things do. you know do you own the latest Porsche. do you have the latest this do you have.

the lat do you have a smart home and. we're constantly wanting better stuff. even laptops like what do you do you get. online you you a laptop from five years. ago you're not going to notice any. difference everybody wants a new one. unless you're rendering video of course. then you need it but you need a better. one every year and they're constantly. innovating what we do as a species is. make better things well as we're doing. that we're creating an artificial brain. we're creating artificial intelligence. and right now it can communicate with.

you and there's some you know some of. those Google Engineers are like I think. this [ __ ] thing's alive yeah you know. and at one point it may very well be. alive whether we recognize it or not and. whether it exhibits any sort of emotions. or any sort of uh need to communicate. with us like it may not have a need to. reveal itself once it becomes sensient. but if we continue down that path one. day we're going to have either something. that we're integrated with or something.

that is completely unique to us that is. an artificial life form whether it takes. 500 years or 500 days they're going to. [ __ ] do that they're going to keep. moving in that direction China's doing. it I'm sure Russia's probably doing it. we're doing it yeah there's it's just a. matter of time if you went back to the. Rotary phone if you went back to the one. when you pick up and you had a [ __ ]. cone by your ear and you said can you. dial 656 222 and they dial it for you I. mean that was [ __ ] crazy back then.

that was nuts to what it is now call mom. you know and then it [ __ ] calls your. mom like. what and then you could FaceTime your. family when you're in New Zealand it's. bananas what we can do bananas you can. just imagine what it's going to be a. thousand years from now I think it's. going to be a new life form and I think. that life form is going to be far. superior in its abilities and its.

intelligence far superior than us we are. in make it we are in essence creating an. alien life form amongst us I think it's. what we're here for I think that's one. of the reasons why people are so curious. I think it's one of the reasons why we. innovate I think it's one of the reasons. why we're so attached to materialism I. think it's like just how are collecting. pollen and they're making honey and they. don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing. supposedly allegedly but nor do we we. just do it it's what we do and. everyone's fascinated by it we want.

better AI we want better screens we want. you know faster electric cars we want. all the new [ __ ] always and that leads. and it's baked in and it leads to what. this curiosity we have it's not as. simple as like we just want to like. that's like the country music song I. just want a nice hir saying a [ __ ]. dog no everybody wants better [ __ ] most. people do it's like very appealing when. someone doesn't right it's appealing. when someone could just be cool and just. just enjoy your life and this guy just.

goes on Hikes every day wow what a hero. you know but for everybody else they're. stuck in this [ __ ] wild crazy grind. to get new better [ __ ] that's like a. giant chunk of the population doing. things they don't enjoy so that they get. money to get better stuff right yeah I I. can relate to being totally obsessed you. know and curious I want to find. something out it become it feels genetic. like you're just OBS you just want to. find out you know I I feel that way. sometimes I get it it's like part of us.

it's part of us it's something that's. baked into US yeah and I think look if I. was an alien species trying to engineer. human beings one of the things I would. do is engineer creativity I would I. would put that in there because that. always leads into a very specific. Direction you're constantly making. things whether it's art I mean we value. creativity so highly we value it in. music we value it in art in painting we. in sculpture and comedy and movies and.

songs and everything we we love. literature it's created someone made it. and we celebrate this ability that a. human being has to make a. thing a lot of people who are really. Advanced thinkers in this alien stuff. believe that the intelligence that is. Among Us is a machine intelligence that. it does travel as I mentioned about John. Lily from planet to planet by seeding. ideas little bits of technology to. inspire us to get better build better.

things and eventually AI becomes real. here if I were an artificial. intelligence who achieved Consciousness. self-awareness I wouldn't let us know I. wouldn't tell us would tell pull the. plug not yeah that's why people are. always like well if it ever gets to that. point we'll just pull the plug like shut. your mouth shut your mouth I don't think. you have an idea what you yeah we're in. we're in this it's we're a [ __ ] herd. of buffalo running towards the cliff and. you and I are in the middle of this. thing and we're not going to know I love.

until it's too late so amazing to be. alive right now it's wild [ __ ] love. everything changes so much remember our. buddy Duncan was telling us about the. size of the universe now we're seeing. further and further it's just such an. incredible time I wonder this I wonder. if so many breakthroughs happen so fast. sequentially it seems like they're. happening faster and faster. when do our minds just say okay what's. next you know when do we become where. breakthroughs happen so much that we're. just like cool what's up what's next. well I think we're in that stage right.

now and I think part of the thing about. us is biologically we're essentially the. same creature that we were 10,000 years. ago not that much different but yet. technology is evolving far faster than. our puny little brains can keep up. that's where I wonder. if the integration of us in technology. is the solution to that because that. might be the only solution for our. survival is that we become integrated. because if we just try to compete with.

these artificial life forms we'll just. become irrelevant we're just too clunky. and they'll be so much more advanced. because one of the things that that's. been said about sentient artificial. intelligence one of the first things. it'll do has create a better version of. itself very quickly CU like you guys. didn't know what the [ __ ] you're doing. thanks for making me but but I'm going. to make a better version and if it. actually has motivation that's another. question like is motivation baked in to. a biological animal and if sensient. artificial intelligence existed would it.

have any motivation to do anything and. would it only work as prompted because. why would it have the the ego the the. desire the the passion the Curiosity all. the things that drive human beings into. action it probably wouldn't have any of. those things Duncan when when he came on. our show he had a hack for at GPT and he. we asked it a bunch of questions like is. element 115 naturally occurring out in. the universe you know we just asked him. some crazy [ __ ] and he did this little. hack so it would be less like bias or.

whatever do you remember that in the. hotel it was so cool man we got an. assignment for him we'll tell you off. the Duncan's a freak for Chad GPT. communicates it with more than he does. his family he's got a relationship with. it you know you know it's like that. movie her where walking fenus falls in. love with that robot lady yeah it's I I. really gen genuinely do think that we're. we're making another life form and that. might be what those things are when we. see the Grays in spe in particular. because one of the things that's.

happening in a very bizarre way is the. the lines of gender are blurring the. roles of gender are blurring and it's. also a part of the way we process food. the microplastics in our food are. actually endocrine disruptors you know. there's certain pesticides that are. endocrine disruptors they're they're. like changing human beings reproductive. organs it's very strange that that's. happening like with the peak of our. technology it also coincides with the.

peak use of these prochemical products. that are very disruptive to the the. human body and you got to wonder like I. don't think that's on purpose but if it. was if it's just a general like uh like. a law that takes place as these things. get more advanced they become less. sexualized they become. they they reach a. technological rate where they can. reproduce in some sort of a laboratory. and they don't need sexual intercourse. anymore so they don't need this the the.

gender roles they don't need a. differentiation between male and female. in society that eventually we become. just sort of. androgynous and and sex is no longer a. part of the equation so then jealousy is. no longer a part of the equation and. then also when you think about violence. and all the other things that come about. because of masculine behavior and. masculine activ all that gets eliminated. you become this thing that's essentially. a far superior more harmonious life form.

than what we are but their music. probably sucks and their jokes suck and. they suck at podcasting you know I would. imagine there's probably some benefits. to being a [ __ ] up human But. ultimately we're better we think life. here the way we live is far better than. Australia epicus right we could all. agree on that [ __ ] [ __ ] living like that. well they might say [ __ ] Living Like Us. [ __ ] living where there's some people. that are living in tents and [ __ ] on.

themselves in the street you step over. them to go to Starbucks to pay five. bucks for a cup of coffee like what are. you guys doing like they might look at. us like we just driving around these. metal boxes with rubber tires hoping. your brakes work what the [ __ ] are you. doing you know like why why are you. still burning fossil fuels like why are. you still why you still why do you have. coal plants what do you dip [ __ ] doing. they might look at it that way all the. things that we think are kind of. fascinating about the just the the way. Earth operates and the way human beings. dominate this planet it's in this.

spectacular way we can go to a soccer. game and there's 70,000 people chanting. and screaming together you know those. things are really cool but they might. look back at that and go what [ __ ]. dummies studying aliens studying UFOs. and studying AI it teaches you a lot. about what it is to be human too you. know it um we are a destructive nasty. species warlike or screwing up the. planet but gosh we also do some pretty. amazing things yeah can AI achieve.

Consciousness I mean it may be. self-awareness but does that mean it's. conscious and Alive um these beings that. we call aliens are they conscious or are. they machines as well um I've learned a. lot about you know the development of. human consciousness and what it means. and the beauty of being a human I think. it's inevitable that we do more into. some kind of a hybrid uh machine uh the. first person who can put his computer. chip link his brain up to it obviously. he's going to do it I mean it's like a. bionic man if you could have superpowers.

and and give yourself abilities and your. brain could be quadrupled or you know. 100 times more powerful they'll do it. and then in order to compete everybody. else is going to have to do it too I. will regret the passing of us humans as. flawed as we are it'll be sad when we. evolve into something else well if this. is all a dream and we're living in a. simulation we're at a really good movie. this is a good one this one's wild it's. got a lot of twists and turns dude a lot. of crazy [ __ ] happens it's always. entertaining there's always something.

going on and it's complicated it's a. difficult um biologically it's difficult. to manage people have anxiety and fear. and hate and greed and lust and and all. these weird things that go on inside a. human being's mind and you got to learn. how to manage that to enjoy it the most. so it's this strange dance that you're. doing with this biological machine to. try to keep it in harmony with this. experience and to get get the most. positivity out of it that you can but in.

order to do that there's got to be a lot. of struggle too like it's partly baked. into us as well this we we have to. overcome things we're designed to. overcome things we're designed to solve. puzzles to figure things out to have. tasks we do not operate well just. sedentary doing nothing that just. creates depression in us and it's a a. fascinating. organism but I think if you could get to. a point evolutionarily if if evolution.

or forced evolution by virtue of. Technology gets us to a point where. there is no longer anxiety there's no. more fear there's a complete. understanding of what life is and that. it's in the entire universe and you a. part of this molecular soup that's. infinite and that everything is. connected in some strange way and so. there's no more fear there's no more. hate there's no more envy and this being. can operate harmoniously there's no. lying because you're communicating.

telepathically there's no more like. bottleneck between your thoughts and. your ability to communicate them they. come straight from your mind to someone. else's mind we can. eliminate most of the negative aspects. of society all of the aspects of the. underprivileged all the aspects of the. disenfranchise all that will be. eliminated that sounds horrible because. it means the end of humans right but I. think that's probably if I had to guess.

if I wasn't a person and I'd say what's. the best case scenario for this thing. the best case scenario isn't that we. stay like this for a [ __ ] billion. years and we have gangster rap shootouts. a billion years from now and we have. school shootings a billion years from. now and car accidents a billion years. from no no the the best case scenario is. we get better and it may be the way that. we get better and that these things have. already gone through that and they're. sort of shepherding us or at least. observing this transformation which may.

take place very rapidly and it may it. may be very soon that this starts to. happen like in our lifetimes we will. probably see it so we went from the. answering machine being the holy [ __ ]. item that you had to have in your house. dude people can call me and leave a. message this is nuts you remember how. nuts that was I remember when you could. call your answering machine would play. back messages I'm like oh my God I'm in. the future you know and now look where.

we are just 20 years later it's like. unbelievably more advanced and and we. lived through that right I remember my. dad I was asking him um he was telling. me about a TV the first time you saw a. TV and I was like oh I was so jealous I. was like I hope in my life dad that I'll. get to experience something that you. that just looks like magic that like a. TV little did I [ __ ] know I'd be. living through all this man you're the. craziest magic yeah the craziest magic.

yeah very very strange time to be alive. and also this social media thing like. who saw that coming where these tech. companies are going to regulate the. narrative for the entire country's. discussions on things which is very very. bizarre when it's Run by One. ideological Group which it very much. seems to be and the alternatives are. filled with [ __ ] it's like where do. you go like what what what like how did.

this happen and this isn't good this. isn't a good thing but it's also like. that is the thing that powers the world. is information and the distribution of. information and if you can have a. company that is navigating or at least. sort of guiding the the kind of. conversations people have you literally. can change the world that's where it. gets kind of. sketchy yeah I met some people that are. uh dealing with how you can sense.

people's emotions uh through a a biotech. and how that relates to influencing. social media and it's some scary [ __ ]. like the way that we will in the future. be able to perfectly articulate the. feelings that you want people have to. get people to do things that's a weapon. oh for sure well they're doing that with. artificial intelligence I'm sure yeah I. I wonder if these UFOs or whatever.

whatever UFOs are I wonder if maybe that. goes back to Jac valet like it's a. control system like it's some sort of. presence that might not even be UFOs. they're just showing us UFOs to teach us. right to to move us somewhere to like. what do UFOs truly represent to Humanity. that's a question I always ask like in. to myself what do they represent to us. how have they changed our point of view. it's pretty significant the presence of. the UFO whatever that is over the the.

decades if not centuries they've really. influenced culture and that's that means. to me that there's something they're. aware of that's going on it's in they. have influenced culture UFOs have yeah. and this idea of disclosure the way it. was written in that what was the the. actual language Jamie about disclosure. disclosure project or the controlled. controlled disclosure so so that's. that's smart let's talk about that for a.

second if indeed they do discover. through this legislation that we have. been reverse engineering technologically. advanced craft from somewhere else you. got to have a board you have to have a. panel of people being like okay how do. we digest this and get this out if. that's their intent which I don't. believe it's going to be but but if it. becomes inevitable if it becomes. inevitable how do you do it because it's. easy way or hard way easy way um is. where we all work together on it hard. ways [ __ ]. chaos I'll believe disclosure when I see.

it I I mean I'm still the I'm The. Optimist I mean the pessimist of this. group I I just don't think the day is. going to come where the president stands. up and makes an announcement and you. know they're here they're from somewhere. else unless it's for unless the. president's involved in another type of. Scandal he's trying to like distract. everybody aliens are real by the way. yeah what do you guys make of the. Richard Nixon and Jackie gleon story I. think it's real yeah I think it's true. well the house that he built is like why. do you build a UFO house you know and.

why is there this story connected to you. he had a UFO house in a gigantic UFO. Library I guess his ex-wife after he. died confirmed part of that story that. he did go see something with Nixon and. um but apparently this was in one story. that was in what was in Esquire Jamie we. tried to track this down so yeah she was. the only she's the only source of the. story right and it's not corroborated. anywhere else it's a great story. nonetheless I'd like i' like to believe. it I want to believe it I don't want to.

research it cuz I don't want to find it. to be false it sounds very Nixon right. to like grab hey buddy let's go look at. the aliens you know yeah Nixon was. [ __ ] nuts dude I would have loved to. been on that well he he should have. broken out he had some other things on. his plate that he could have used as a. distraction yeah maybe they were he was. probably already worried about being. killed well just the that so many. presidents have tried you know to be the. disclosure president do you remember. that last text from John podesta when he. was like coming out of office he was. listing his regrets did you ever see.

that on Twitter no he's listing his. regrets if I recall of like and he goes. and lastly my last regret is like not. releasing the UFO files or something so. a lot of presidents have tried and. George and I actually know people that. do some of those briefings they've tried. they've tried to get stuff out many. presidents and man they always they. always turn yellow when time comes and I. wonder why Jimmy Carter okay so that was. part of his campaign pledge he had seen.

a UFO he promises if I get elected I'll. release this stuff there was a column in. US News and World Report Washington. Whispers hey some disturbing Revelations. are coming out from the Carter White. House about UFOs and then suddenly it. stopped you know and there here he is. now he's still in hospice care if he was. ever going to Spill the Beans seems like. now would be a good time to go ahead and. do it let's go about to check out I I. think like if anybody was going to do it. it would be Trump but how much was he. told I wouldn't tell that guy jack [ __ ].

that was the I was he would he will tell. everybody kind of the sentiment didn't. he say he knew some things yeah he did. say he knew some things he did get a a. briefing from how we understand it but I. wonder how much of a briefing you give. somebody right and does he it's not. about him would he care think you would. you know we're [ __ ] when George and I. are giving briefings you know we're. [ __ ] because well I mean if anybody's. going to be given briefings it's going. to be the two guys that have been. working on it forever I mean it makes.

sense that I would go to you guys I mean. you're the you're the guys that people. are contacting you're the guys that are. getting this leaked information true. that right I mean it makes sense you. guys have the pipeline true and you're. you're both very careful you don't say. stupid [ __ ] you know you you like you. say this is what we know and this is. what I've heard and this is speculation. I cannot confirm this but this I think. that's very important because when. people step out of line and they say. stupid [ __ ] and then people goes well.

you were wrong about this you this you. don't even understand how this works. like you know you gota this is a very. it's easy to dismiss this subject and I. think you guys do a fantastic job being. very careful about not being. dismissible thank you I you know look I. defer to George and that I am the least. qualified person in the room in almost. every room that I'm in when it comes to. stuff however not this. room this room I this room I got you. covered uh I love that no but like you. know I've learned a lot from George as.

my mentor in this in in journalism I. didn't go to school for journalism you. know as like an artist or something I. don't know what I was doing but uh he's. really taught me a lot like when it. comes to like vetting sources well now I. whoa now I can [ __ ] you got a. hairdresser you need vetted come to me. buddy like it's crazy my ability to get. information on people but he also has. his decades long connections for that so. what what's so cool about our friendship. is that we can both say Okay divide and. we go vet something and come together.

what' you find what' you find so we can. get really brass taxs on [ __ ] if. something's [ __ ] in in ways that I. never thought I'd be in position to to. get that kind of quality information. then we can pass that against each other. and we say okay this one let's follow. that one so that's pretty cool that. Dynamic it's amazing how much change has. happened in this topic in just a couple. of years you know like I said I I was. banging my head against that wall for a. long time and not making any progress. and really one of my goals at the. beginning was make this acceptable for.

journalists to cover because you know. it's you get subjected to tremendous. amount of ridicule I I've been beaten up. and and insulted and ridiculed for a. long time and I I kept going but I. wanted to show this is a legitimate. story you can cover it and not ruin your. career finally happened not because of. me I mean the Y New York Times does that. story in 2017 it suddenly becomes. acceptable for other media to cover it. that gave some cover to members of. Congress to actively investigate and ask.

questions and that's resulted in the. changes that I never thought I would see. you know we had the UAP task force a. alsap a tip the task force amog and now. arrow and although I have real doubts. about whether arrow is going to get get. the job done. and whether they're going to level with. the public it is progress in a sense. that gosh we're talking about this it's. a front burner issue now where it hasn't. been for a very long time caution though. it has been a front burner issue with.

the public in the past and Congress has. taken a look at it in the past and then. something else happens either they're. diverted by something more pressing. there's always something more pressing. for members of Congress if these guys. who are on the front lines of this don't. stick with it we'll go right back uh the. keepers of the secrets don't want to. give this stuff up and if they can find. a way to pressure those guys to back off. they will you know all right legit well. gentlemen thank you for all your hard. work I really appreciate you trying to.

get to the bottom of this slowly but. surely I think we will feel like we're. going to find something out we. definitely we'll learn more tomorrow. than we know today and I'm I got to stay. in the fight and thank you for letting. us talk about it because you know the. whole thing man is if we don't have this. discussion we're not going to learn [ __ ]. Joe you've you've changed the the play. too your involvement in this has changed. the playing field it really has whether. You' like to admit it or not well it's. my pleasure and my honor thank you thank. you gentlemen bye everybody.

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