Joe Rogan Experience #2026 - Peter Berg

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day What's happen good to see you good. to see you my friend your show is. fantastic it's really good man uh. painkiller on Netflix can't recommend it. enough I'm I'm only two episodes deep uh. I started the third today it's so. [ __ ] good dude and it's so dis it's. so disturbing.

because it's true I mean it's an. accurate account of how this all. happened and it's just it makes you so. uncomfortable to think that there's. people in the world that would do what. the Sackler family did do you know. anyone who's who's gone down from from. opioids quite a few few people um you. when uh when they first came to me uh. and asked me if I was interested my. buddy Eric Newman who who put the whole. thing together uh you know I said you.

want to do something about the sackers. do you know who the sackers are and I. did I knew they were the you know Family. behind. oxycotton and he said are you interested. and I I started thinking and I started. counting the people I know who've died. or whose kids had died uh because of. Oxycontin and opioids and I I quickly. got off of both fingers you know and. then I I started thinking about um some. of my heroes my art my artistic Heroes. um Chris Cornell Tom Petty and like one.

of my big heroes was Prince I was a huge. huge Prince fan I I went to school in. Minneapolis when he was coming up I was. an extra in Purple Rain back in the day. you know First Avenue in Minneapolis and. you know those three guys when when. Prince died you know Prince was he was s. had such a uh he was legendary for his. work ethic and his lifestyle with no. alcohol and no swearing and just. incredible work ethic and the fact that.

oxycotton got him yeah and that that. really kind of [ __ ] with me so when. they came to me and you know started. talking to me about doing something. about the sackers I was like yeah I'm. all in um and the more I dug into it the. more experts and writers who have been. covering this uh epidemic for so long. the more I learned um you know I'm not. necessarily the biggest conspiracy guy. of all time I I do I I'll if the proof.

there I I'm I'm down but the more I. learned about the sackers and how they. maneuvered what is essentially just. heroin in like a little M&M pill you. know how they were so Artful and so good. at manipulating the system uh I was. shocked and I I was all in on painkiller. well I'm glad you were all in because. people need to know this story and a lot. of people aren't going to watch a. documentary and you know they're not. going to read about it this is a very.

entertaining show that shows accurately. how this went down and you know there's. a there's a moment and I don't want to. give too much away but there's this one. moment where this ethical doctor. confronts this sales girl and that's a. very very very powerful moment yeah. because that the ethical doctor who. knows everything about opiates is. essentially explaining to this very. young girl who just a beautiful sales. girl yeah that you're selling heroin you. this is heroin it's indistinguishable to.

the body is her it's heroin it's just. you're calling it a different thing and. this idea that it's only one% of the. people have problems with it is those. numbers are all lies they're they're. always lies they lie about how many. people died they lie about how many. people get addicted it's all a lie and. if they can keep lying and not face any. repercussions they'll keep lying cuz. that's they almost have an obligation to.

their shareholders to to do that yeah. and in this case they didn't even have. shareholders it it was a private company. uh the uh Richard Sackler and his his. uncles were making all the money they. completely lied I mean they were doctors. and they knew how powerful the the. opioid dosage was they and they knew. there would and what else is crazy is. they knew that if they just kept they. they would make so much more money by. what they call tit trading up right so.

you know we put you on 10 milligrams of. oxycotton because you're you blew out. your back in the gym and it works for a. bit and then when it doesn't we're like. oh well we just got to we got to we got. to kick you up yeah so let's put you on. 20 and then let's put you on 40 and they. got up to 85 milligram oxycottons they. called them oxy coffins that was in the. word on the street and these these reps. these cute little reps these pretty. little College gra you know graduates.

were just looking to make some money. were paid based bonuses based on the. amount of milligrams in the pill so that. I'm I'm trying to convince you if if I'm. a rep and and you're a doctor just to. kick it up doc prescribe 20 or 40 or 85. milligrams and everybody will make some. more money and that was the game that. the sackers were playing and like you. know I've said like I'm I'm down with. capital ISM no problem like make money.

do it and if if you just look at the. sackers you know from a capitalistic. perspective and you apply you know rules. of capitalism and you're on their grade. they get A+ they were [ __ ] good and. making money you put like that much. morality into the equation and these are. some evil human beings it's. unquestionably evil and what's even more. evil is they got away with it they paid.

off they had to give away a certain. amount of money I think it's 6 billion. see if you could find the settlement a. little bit around six and be now they. can't be prosecuted so they essentially. bought their way out of going to jail. for directly being responsible for the. deaths of how many people hundreds of. thousands so it in the most bizarre. coincidence I've ever experienced in in. my years of being in the business the. day painkiller came out the Supreme. Court paus that decision have you heard.

this no it's a it's a fascinating story. you should read about this the day we. came out was about 12 days ago now the. Supreme Court said hold up you you you. cannot cut a deal. wow Supreme Court blocks Purdue Farm a. $6 billion Sackler opioid settlement the. justices will examine if Bankruptcy. Court can force claimants to sign away. their legal rights in a settlement so. let me break it down quick because this. is actually fascinating for anyone who's.

paying attention the deal that they cut. per Purdue cut was $6 billion we're. going to pay $6 billion dollars to all. the victims of oxycotton but we're going. to do that over the next two decades we. we're going to parcel it out and the. sackers have maybe 15 bill in the bank. give or take so they they're just. counting on interest rates to pay that. six billion and the deal they had cut. said we'll pay you the six but you can. never there's no more and you can never. come come after any more of our money.

and you can never come after us for any. criminal charges so they were basically. buying their way to safety for six Bill. and they that deal was taken the Supreme. Court just said hold up not so fast. we're not going to accept that deal you. may have to pay more and we may go after. you so now the potential for them to. face true bankruptcy and maybe more is. on the table how accurate do we know. like some of the I know this is a docu. drama right is that how you would.

describe it sure or based on a real life. real life events but some of the things. that he that Sackler said in both the. older Sackler and the younger Sackler. Richard and what was his dad's name um. Arthur Arthur his uncle yeah his uncle. sorry both of those the the statements. they're they're so. horrific do we know they definitely said. that right well so there yes there's so. many horrific things they said one of. the things we know that they did said.

which was like like there one of the. original strategies that Purdue Pharma. had that they were advised to to adopt. by you know their lawyers and their. advisors and their marketing guys when. they realized that people were dying. that kids were crushing up oxycotton and. snorting it and getting addicted and. overdosing when they realized it was. being misused this way their strategy. was quote Hammer the abusers hammer the. abusers so your Joe your 19-year-old.

daughter has just dropped out of an. oxycotton overdose the response of. Purdue basically is well your daughter. was a drug addict oh God your daughter. was a drug addict I'm so sorry for your. loss but your daughter was a drug addict. don't blame us Hammer the abusers and. that was literally said out loud or. written down like that was the strategy. and to. blame abuse on addict addicts and to say.

anyone who has a problem with oxycoton. it's not our fault they're just drug. addicts it's not our fault you know we G. yeah we gave them heroin but they're at. but there there hammer on the abusers. mass attorney general alleges Purdue. Pharma tried to shift Blain for opioid. addiction yeah so think about that think. about you being the parent and if you. you know see the show we open each. episode with a a parent you know we we. were.

told right right when I got ready to. lock the show I got I was thought I had. to get on a zoom with all the legal you. know from Netflix and others because the. sackers are really good at lawyers you. know Giuliani was was one of their main. attorneys Mary Joe White I don't know if. you know who she is um she's a very. powerful attorney and others uh so they. you know there's a lot of fear about. being sued you know and I I have my. talking points here about what I'm not.

supposed to say uh so again everything. I'm saying is proven you know more or. less my theory and things that have been. backed up by books like Painkiller by. the very talented Barry Meyer who wrote. investigative reporter for the Times who. wrote it but we were told by legal that. we had to put disclaimers in front of. each episode you know what you're about. to see is based on fact but some of the. facts have been changed and you know. some this so it's not all true we've.

changed some of the facts um and that. didn't really sit right with me because. yes we have interpreted things and. changed some things but the reality is. the sackers did what they did and I. didn't I thought like just putting a. standard disclaimer would be kind of. letting them off a bit um and I was. thinking about it I'm like well what if. we had a a 50-year-old woman sitting we. open the show 50-year-old woman staring. at the camera and she reads the. disclaimer exactly as legal says you.

know what you see um is based on fact. but some of it has been fictionalized. and then she stops and she says but what. what hasn't been fictionalized is that. my 22-year-old son Tommy and she holds. up a picture died of an oxyon and. overdose and um that was you know the. kind of thing that was I think very. important to me and to all the makers of. the show that as if we were going to. Veer from the truth and we were going to.

potentially occur the Wrath of the. Purdue legal we did it in a way that. never let them off the. hook yeah I like that um. it's it's so weird how many people are. on it um I had a conversation with a. friend of mine about his mom his mom's. 90 and um you know she's had health. issues. um but could you imagine when we were.

kids if uh you told me that uh your. friend's mom was on. heroin and that we had to get her more. heroin and the doctor's not there's. there's something wrong with her. prescription So what had happened was um. the pharmacists the doctor had screwed. up and prescribed more. pills uh verbally than he wrote it down. on paper like he told her you have to. take two a day you know and this is. supposed to be good for you know. whatever it is 30 60 days but he wrote. the wrong number. he instead of like 180 he wrote 90 or.

something I I don't remember what. prescribed by. underprescribed and so they were. thinking someone was stealing her pills. oh so there was just like she doesn't. have enough like it gets to the end of. the month and she's out of pills and. they're calling the doctor and the. doctor's like what what's going on. they're like I don't know what's. happening is someone stealing her pills. so there's this fear in the house that. someone stealing the pills yeah so they. figured out that's not what the case was. the case was there was just a mistake. the doctor inadvertently prescribed more.

in terms of take three a day every day. or two a day every day but he just. didn't give her enough pills to do that. um but it's but your imagine your. 90-year-old mom is jonesen because. that's what's going on I mean imagine. you like I got a grandma heroin yeah hey. bro you want to come with me do you have. your gun we're going to go get Grandma. heroin like are you [ __ ] crazy. imagine that thought no one would think. that that when we were kids no one would. think that was normal my I got to get my. grandma heroin she's on.

well yeah and and you know one of one of. the things that if I think at like. episode three or four the the patriarch. of the Sackler family Arthur Sackler who. started got the whole ball rolling and. he you know back in the day they. actually did prescribe heroin we found. all these great old ads for heroin and. cough syrup cocaine for you know um a a. fever um and well coding used to be in.

cough syrup right used to be able to get. when I was a kid well you still can get. it yeah but there were literally ads. that said heroin for a cough and like. the whole history of how medicine. started being marketed and heroin look. at. that bare pharmaceutical products like. like the people who brought you aspirin. and and if you look up some of the old. um see if you can find the uh look look. how they describe it the cheapest. specific for the relief of coughs right.

so this was real this was real [ __ ] and. this is what you know doctors like. Arthur Sackler who was Richard sackler's. uncle and is you know arguably the go. The Godfather of oxy cotton and opioids. they were they were sending this stuff. out they your your child's having. trouble sleeping put a little liquid. morphine on a blanket and let him suck. on it this was happening like our. grandparents are around for this oh my.

God cocaine tooth drops you see that. look at that that's insane but that's. real oh my God instantaneous cure you. don't give a [ __ ] about your teeth you. feel you're trying to start a business. well or you're 12 and you're just being. annoying because your tooth hurts your. parents just give you a bunch of blow. yeah so crazy stay fit and slim by. taking. amphetamine Jesus Christ right it's so. crazy how how naive people were back. then well and but still today right and. like so so the catchphrase for oxycotton.

that that Richard Sackler came up with. was oxycotton the one to start with the. one to stay with and that those were the. ads and that's what the cute little. 23-year-old graduates from Ohio State or. Duke or wherever they were from these. cute girls would come into your office. you're you're a doctor in you know some. Midwestern town and in comes this. beautiful girl with a with a brochure. that says oxyon the one to start with. the one to stay with and you've never.

heard of it so you just start you know. and here's the thing about oxycoton have. you ever taken an oxycotton. no I took it once recreationally did you. do it before you started doing this yes. I did about I don't know eight years ago. a friend of mine had one and she's like. you got to try this Jesus Christ I'm. like okay try anything once right try it. took it it was Fant. fantastic oh my God it was like it was.

like being dropped in a a vat of warm. honey that's how I best describe it and. I'm like holy [ __ ] get this away from me. right like it's it works yeah heroin. works you ever you've talked to people. who've done heroin and they describe the. feeling the actual moment of the high. okay yes it it's a it's a powerful. experience if you've got horrific pain.

and you take an oxycoton or a fentanyl. it's probably going to make that pain go. away and you're going to feel really. good for a little while right for a. little while and then you're you're not. going to feel so good you know I uh and. then you're going to want it again and. you're going to want it again and again. and then your body becomes addicted to. it and then it's not fun and and I you. know took it and recognize okay yeah. there's there's a lot of power in this. little Little Pill no thank you and and.

I'm fortunate I don't have an addictive. gene but I could easily see how and and. look the saers knew this they know they. all knew how powerful that that product. was and they knew that if I put it in. you you're going to feel as they say as. Richard Sackler says uh life is about. running away from Pain towards pleasure. if you feel pain That's right The Human. Condition is we want to stay away from. Pain yeah anything to to feel no pain.

and to feel good and so he knew he had. this miracle because any pain whether. it's physical emotional you know psychic. pain that you're feeling this little. pill is going to turn that off and. you're going to feel like you've been. dropped into a vet of warm honey for for. a little while and then that honey. starts to turn into battery acid and it. starts to like burn I think it's funny.

that. people make fun of people who believe in. demons because what would a demon do if. if you if you were a demonic entity and. you wanted to steal lives and. souls would you just go around just. pulling people out of their house with a. pitchfork and being like obvious about. it or would you do it through a really. evil sociopathic person who decides that. that they're just going to manipulate.

this system and. ruin countless lives I mean how many. people have been affected by this I. don't know what the numbers are do you. Millions I mean how many people have. died from it half a from from opioids. 600,000 uh but but that doesn't like War. numbers of course it it is a war it is. the you can look at opioids as an. absolute War much much higher body count. then Ukraine Afghanistan and Iraq you.

know added up although I don't I don't. know what the full Ukraine body count. numb when we were kids it was very rare. that someone died of a heroin overdose. and it was always a lost soul it was. always like some wild musician or some. crazy poet someone is like God he died. of heroin like that's so crazy right. it's like heroin was reserved for the. people that were just not coming back. you know every now and then someone. would do cocaine or something like that. and if you know you had a wild friend he.

did knew how to get mushrooms but heroin. nobody was like yeah let's go try heroin. like but now when you look at those. numbers from the introduction of. oxycoton into now how many people have. died from that compound it's [ __ ]. insane yeah it is it is really dark and. and then you know something else we talk. about in the show uh is yes the the. deaths are very high but the the amount. of families that have been wrecked and.

destroyed and children who've lost. parents and had to grow up with that. kind of trauma um you know I I have. friends whose children have gotten. hooked uh and Tangled Up In in opioids. yeah and you know as a father um one of. one of my biggest biggest fears was God. forbid my child should ever experience. addiction because I've seen what that. does to a parent to have to ride that. that chaotic roller coaster of childhood.

drug addiction and try everything you. can to keep your kids safe and find that. this pill has taken a hold of their soul. like you say like a demon um and you. know. sometimes death is almost preferred yeah. that's what's so [ __ ] up that's what's. so [ __ ] up that that you know death. brings peace yeah and that there's. that's so terrible to even think it's. it's true though that the um the the. chaos of dealing with someone and it's.

not just look it's not just oxycoton any. addiction right you know I have many. friends who've struggled with alcoholism. and you know other addictions just. trying to love somebody yeah who's going. through that um kind of Beast ride is is. just horrific and to think that people. like the sackers were in the business of. monetizing such hurt and pain that's.

that's dark it's very very dark and kind. of ironically because of the war on. drugs because so many drugs are illegal. now people are dying from fenyl from. things that are not supposed to have. opioids in them yeah which is even more. insane because now people have this I. don't want to say a taste for it but. it's it's it's so common like if like. opioids are so common in this country. inter. recreationally now. because of oxycoton and then you've got.

like people try to buy like Street Xanax. and it has fentanyl in it or Street. cocaine has F we we lost a bunch of. comics in La recently oh I heard that. yeah in Venice right yeah I don't know. where it was yeah I was in Venice they. were like having a little house party. and doing some coke recreationally and. there was fentanyl in it and they all. died that's [ __ ] one person survived but. the whole thing is [ __ ] insane right. it's so insane that it's it's so. so common it's so common to hear about.

someone overdosing from fenyl yeah you. you read about it in the news it's in. the news all the time athletes singers. you know someone [ __ ] up and takes the. wrong dose and they're dead and I I. believe what happened with Tom Petty was. he got off stage and I think he had some. sort of an injury and he got a pill from. one of the guys was like a sound guy and. it had fentanyl in it and it had. fentanyl in it yeah yeah so I mean. people are so desperate they'll take. they'll take some stuff that's not even. from the pharmacy they just need.

it and that a family was able to make so. much money how much money did they make. in total I mean you who you if you if. you Google their value it's between 10. and 20 billion reported nobody knows. exactly how much they're a really. secretive family one of the most. internet scrubbed families and Richard. shackler in particular people I've ever. encountered you just can get very little. information on them wow but um you know.

and and and the other I think big part. of the story that that surprised me was. the FDA right the fda's role in in. opioid approvals and in the case of oxy. coton uh you know we think about like. the FDA as this big giant bureaucratic. organization and you know you think we. were talking about stemel a little bit. earlier that if you. want to get an approval for a drug know. and well okay you got to send it to the. FDA and it's going to be reviewed by.

this massive Board of scientists and you. know experts and they're going to make a. determination after careful analysis. right that's not how it works and in the. case of. oxycotton the whole approval PR process. came down to this one guy this guy named. Curtis Wright and uh Curtis Wright when. that and um Purdue Pharma needed the FDA. to approve they' spent 30 million bucks. developing this drug it's the whole. business of drug developing is.

fascinating but they were all in and. they needed this drug and to keep the. company alive they needed the FDA to. approve it and this guy was like I can't. approve this this is heroin and a pill. no well and they kept trying to get him. to prove it and they kept trying to get. and they started trying to like pump his. ego up they started writing articles. with him they started trying to you know. smoo him and charm him he wouldn't. approve it finally and no one know the. facts they took him to a hotel on the.

East Coast Purdue Farm it took Curtis. right of the FDA spent a couple of days. in this hotel room they came out of the. hotel room with an approval with the. language oxycotton quote is believed to. be non-addictive is believed if you. think about that language it had never. been used in an improval process before. ever made no sense is believed not is. not but is believed to not be addictive. a year later he leaves the FDA he's.

making probably 50 Grand a year where. does he go. work Perdue Pharma for $400 plus. thousand a. year they bought the approval but the. two days in the hotel what the [ __ ] did. they do and who agrees to stay in a. hotel for two days with those people I I. wrote a scene in in pink killer I we we. were putting it together uh where we. imagined what happened in that hotel.

right and I had like everything from. monkeys to like like kickboxing tie. kickboxing massage parlor to like. everything we and like I wanted to film. the most debaucherous. two-day like anything your mind could. think of like the craziest of the C. right water sports all of it all of it. lot like like jetw for like with the whe.

they spray your house down with sand. blasting like just the crazy and and we. wrote it like this just fouy and orgy of. absolute decadence and the lawyers. called and they're like are you [ __ ]. we can't do this so we just shut the. door oh wow and you'll I think it's. episode three that that's and but he. took a job I mean like like I was saying. earlier I'm not big on. you know conspiracies maybe maybe not I.

heard you were talking about you know. Kennedy being potentially killed by the. ca I I don't know I I don't know who. killed him but I do think that it wasn't. just Lee Harvey oswal what couldn't have. been I think I think Lee Harvey Oswald. was involved too that's part of the the. problem with people's argument about. this they they're like you know Lee. Harvey Oswald acted alone there's no. evidence that he acted alone there's a. lot of evidence that he was involved. when I was in uh fifth grade we had a a. a social studies teacher who was.

absolutely like Beyond before Oliver. Stone in the film this teacher was. obsessed with the super bullet theory. right the the magic bullet theory that. you know went through cony's shoulder. through his. knee bounced out of his knee then hit. Kennedy no hit Kennedy first Kenn okay. hit Kennedy first and then it was. connley right Conley's shoulder hand KNE. right and like and we're like we're just. fifth grade kids trying to like you know.

learn about George Washington or. whatever and she's like do you. understand the ballistics don't line up. and it's all she would talk about so. we'd come home and my it's all we would. talk about with our parents and our. parents would like call the school and. be like like is this woman like this. teacher like what is she insane like why. are my kids only learning about the. Magic Bullet see the thing is the the. ballistics are not the big issue cuz. what people don't understand about. ballistics it's not a a linear line.

between impact and exit it hits things. you hit bones and they deviate right. people shoot people and the bullet comes. out the front it's wild things H. especially like a 22 but when the. problem with that bullet is first of all. they found it on the gurnie like how. [ __ ] convenient second of all I. believe there's more fragments metal. fragments that were in Connelly's wrist. than are missing from this B buet and. the bullet looks pristine it looks like.

a bullet that you shot through water. anybody that shoots things with guns. knows that when bullets hit bones they. distort that's that's part of unless. it's a steel jacketed you know like. armor piercing round that's what it. looked like I mean that just Bonkers. that was like what it looked like after. it went through Kennedy and con it's. Bonkers it's Bonkers to believe that. yeah the idea that he wasn't that Lee. Harvey wasn't involved though I don't. buy that either I think I think they set.

him up I think uh for sure he knew what. was going on he seemed to have been some. sort of an operative he went back and. forth to Russia there's a lot but that. conspiracy it's like I don't know we're. talking 1963 I don't you know but. there's conspiracies today that are real. and this Sackler family is one of the. best examples of one that was enormous L. successful and worked on multiple levels.

and this story about getting this. regulator to approve it by putting in a. hotel for two weeks how the [ __ ] is that. not illegal like how is that not illegal. I mean they they handled themselves it. he he spent a year still working for the. FDA went before he came and worked for. um Purdue and um it's pretty intense I. just saw video that I don't know whether. it was TMZ or somebody found the guy the.

um Curtis Wright uh up in I think he's. in New Hampshire just like two days ago. and they like they kind of went after. him oh wow and I was like they're like. what do you say what do you have to say. about the show what do what do you think. and um uh he like got in his car and. wouldn't talk and then they just. interviewed the local um police chief. for this town in New Hampshire who said. that well we had no idea that this this. guy's living in our town. I want to take him on a tour of our morg.

and our cemeteries and show him uh show. him um you can I think you'll find. Curtis right if you look him up um that. is the definition of living in hell yeah. and now and and. that's you know I think. that people have asked you know like. what what is Justice what does Justice. even look like in a situation like this. right like if you're. that's the guy and the red that yeah so.

that's Noah who plays him and that was. just uh that's the ACT that's the actual. U gentleman who who approved it that's. the guy who was went and worked for so. he just moved to a remote Town moved to. a remote town and after our show came. out I I think it is that a gun on his. hip I don't think so I tried what is. that it's like a flashlight he's got. like a rig looks like he's got this. phone in the front yeah he's got a whole. vibe going on and a passport filled with. trips to Thailand probably yeah um.

right but you know like that's that's. that's the face of a big part of the. issue that you know this guy was a. bureaucrat working for the FDA living. his life in you know the East Coast. someone came along and said hey you want. to get out of here you're making 50. Grand this say that you believe this to. be less addictive that'll get us the. approval and you're good we're going to.

make you good and here we are and that. revolving door still exists today that. people go from the FDA right into. pharmaceutical companies today for sure. it's so weird that that's legal and. another big part of the game are these. medical journals right like there's. something called the New England Journal. of Medicine and like a big thing is for. a doctor in a new in some of these and. these journals are owned by the. pharmaceutical companies right so think.

about it you own Purdue Pharma you. either buy or control medical journals. that write favorable articles about your. products about your drugs so in the case. of oxycoton there was a small small like. almost a letter to the editor written. about oxycoton being less than 1%. addictive in in a in a medical journal. which sound sounds like official and. like okay well damn Joe is in the.

medical journal right let's go but these. are controlled by drug companies and. they're not legit it's fake news it's. real fake news and it's all part of the. ecosystem of of selling. drugs and these are the big drug dealers. like we talk about Chapo or Pablo. Escobar you know Eric Newman my buddy. who was the exact producer on this he. produced narcos and I was went deep on. on Pablo Escobar and he's like when he.

when he first said you want to do this. he's like these are the real drug. dealers like like these are the these. are the drug dealers putting up the real. numbers and they're the drug dealers who. put their name on museums like the. Metropolitan the Guggenheim the Lou and. Paris these are like these are the the. big time hard-hitting drug dealers yeah. they're real gangsters oh they're. [ __ ] gangsters man it's such a. gangster moved to put your name. everywhere too uhhuh especially on like.

education institutions dude do you ever. have you ever been mum in the in the. Metropolitan Museum of Arts uh Temple of. dender the giant glass it's the biggest. exhibit in the met in New York City and. that was the Sackler wing and I would go. in there when we were making the show. and I would it was this giant it's it's. it's on the um north side of the Met. it's you it's a massive art Wing and you. go in there it says the Sackler wing and.

you go in there and there's parents. running around with their kids the last. time I I saw a guy get on his hands and. knees and propose and it's just this. happy joyful room built on. oxycotton and two three months ago they. took the name down they finally took the. name down finally after all these years. yeah so they've taken and and this is. the thing that like what Arthur Sackler. cared more more about than anything. which is like the same as Alfred Nobel.

right you know that Alfred Nobel made. dynamite that's how he made his money it. it's a fascinating story that Nobel was. was the inventor of dynamite it's almost. like an Oppenheimer situation I didn't. know that and the story is that someone. ran a false obituary they thought he. died and they called him a merchant of. death the great Merchant of death is. gone this guy Nobel who invented. dynamite and he that moment he realized. [ __ ] this is how I'm going to be known.

this is going to be my legacy The. Merchant of death he took a huge chunk. of his fortune and started the Nobel. Peace Prize so when you hear the name. Nobel you don't think about Dynamite. right he invented dynamite hand grenades. and howt of rounds and Munitions that. was all Nobel now you just think oh my. God Barack Obama just won the Dal Lama. just won the Martin Luther King and won. the like this guy made it off of. dynamite that's insane right and so the.

sackers were like the same thing wait a. minute we know what we're selling here. we know where our money is coming. from look at that Merion of death to. Pioneer of Nobel Prize that that the. Nobel Peace Prize was a big bait and. switch so nobody thought about the fact. that this dude you know go look at the. the body count of Vietnam and this is. interesting he said many Saw His. invention with Alfred thought would end. all wars just like Oppenheimer as a.

highly lethal product when Alfred's. brother ludvig died in 1888 a French. newspaper accidentally published an. obituary for Alfred that referred to him. as The Merchant of death. wow right did you know that I did not. that's a mind blower but it makes sense. because that's how evil [ __ ] are. they'll try to cover up what they're. doing with humanitarian work 100% and. that's what the sackers did very like. okay we're selling heroin and pills.

whole we're like 300 we're up to 300,000. deaths and a lot of wreck families let's. buy some art let's put let's let's. donate to multiple medical schools get. our names on medical schools all around. the country let's throw our name up on. the Metropolitan Museum of Art the. Guggenheim um um the the um Lou and. Paris they were putting their names on. anything they could there was a bridge. in London at one of the sackers the.

Sackler Bridge like just anything to. Take Your Eye Off the ball and so to. me you know whether they end up paying 6. billion or 16 billion yeah that that. that's real that that's deserve money. but I think the the bigger issue is the. name the dis the evisceration of the. name has is is is in deep process right. now. as it should be yes and I just wonder.

how they're going to get away with. without paying criminal penalties I mean. not just criminal penalties but like. going to jail it's hard to go to jail. today if you've got a lot of money Joe. that's insane yeah I mean it's a jail I. I don't I can't imagine the sackers. going to jail but I think worse. than jail is the fact that the name is. now done. yeah and that hurts because this this. was a family that was all about the.

Legacy and that's. over um this guy that approved it what. was his name again curtisy they found. imagine being that guy cuz you didn't. even get rich you know you got kind of. Rich you made a lot of money but you. didn't get like billionaire I can just. go hide on an island Rich you're in a. small town in New Hampshire and then. they find you when this this the ser. comes out yeah I I don't I never know.

like someone's morality like I always. have trouble like understanding how. different people. process morality and and and like what. it would mean for because you got assume. a guy like that after you know 25 years. has figured out a way of justifying to. himself what he's done right like we all. do that like I mean we justify our our. our behaviors we don't engage in. Behavior like that but we whatever we do.

we justify it and I I wonder how much it. hurts you know like we tried to contact. Richard Sackler several times during the. early he used to live here in Austin and. um we couldn't find him he has a house. here in Austin still um but how how it. feels you know there's never been a. moment where there's been any kind of. accountability where you know Rich. Sackler comes out and says okay okay. look I am really [ __ ] sorry let's.

just start with that I I I I am so sorry. that this has happened I am so sorry for. the pain like and I can't undo it but I. want to First acknowledge that I'm sorry. I made some really bad decisions I. thought I thought I was helping people I. wasn't I didn't there was never been and. I think that's where the anger comes. from so much of it do you think that. that that's because of legal advice I.

mean even if he was I I don't think you. could admit that you're sorry in a. situation as horrendous as this because. I think it opens up the floodgates for. further scrutiny I guess I just yes. you're probably right but I I guess I. feel like like you've already you you. you've. lost you've lost you've lost so much and. you're you've lost so much money your. reputation um is is destroyed if you. look at there's like a 12-hour dispos.

deposition of Sackler um that that we. recreate some of in the show and the guy. is just a [ __ ] ice brick like he. offers nothing there's no Humanity there. and obviously his lawyers were advising. him yes and he can't say a lot but you. you w. to you want to believe that everyone's. human yeah like you want to see.

how ited do I think they out to have all. this death and destruction I'm going to. say no I don't I don't know but I I have. to believe that they didn't intend for. that then the ball got rolling then the. money started coming in then it all got. completely out of control and by the. time they realized how bad it was they. couldn't apologize obviously and and. they they were they were Boxed In by by. legal advice but somewhere you're. looking for some indication of like look.

ma'am I am so sorry your son died not. not I'm sorry your son died but your son. was a drug addict an instant deflection. right that's just like that's rough. that's rough [ __ ] it is rough it's just. again it's it's hard to understand the. way certain people function their their. morals like what what are their ethics. and are they sociopaths cuz there's a. lot of people that are genuine.

sociopaths they do not care whether. people are hurt they don't do not care. about people's feelings they only care. about themselves there are people like. that out there in the world and they're. amongst us and I don't know what the. number is I think it's like 1% or. something like that is it something like. that or is that schizophrenics I think. sociopath is probably even higher than. that like and some of it has got to be. because how you were treated when you. were young some of it has got to be. nurture yeah but wonder how much of his. nature I wonder how much of his your. wires are crossed wrong and you just.

don't give a [ __ ] about other people. it's totally possible I mean you look at. like Jeffrey dmer his parents seemed to. be normal they didn't seem to abuse him. he didn't have like some horrific. childhood where he was you know tortured. it's like what makes a person like that. I don't [ __ ] know man but when you. see it it's so confusing like that. Sackler guy in your show it's like when. you're watching him say what he says. like how does a person like this exist. right right and you know like obviously.

dmer is a fairly extreme example of but. is it because he only killed like six or. seven people right I I just mean that. but he really like put his hands on. those people right so that the idea of a. serial killer is such an. extreme real but extreme version of that. but like how many times do you kind of. come across someone who's who's maybe. not killing people or engaged in a. lethal career but you're like whoo that.

dude doesn't seem reachable I don't I. don't know what's going on there like. I'm trying to have some sort of human. connection but this dude is just like. you know and i' I've met many people. generally are who organize their lives. strictly around making money like money. is money is the prize money is the art. and I kind of I'm. like hello yeah it's a very weird. nonhuman Pursuit yeah it's like I'm.

about making money and my morality and. um you know sense of humanity is just. not very readily apparent and I think. that that's like on a spectrum not that. not necessarily that far removed from. something that could turn into Jeffrey. dmer yeah it's not that far I mean do. you do you ever like study Putin and try. and figure out what's going on in that. guy's head I could only imagine like I.

think it was Bush who said you know he'. just come back from meeting Putin years. ago and he said you know I looked into. his eyes and I didn't see a soul and I. remember like I was younger when he said. that but it chilled me like and Bush. looked this is Bush to and he was like I. looked into his eyes and I didn't see a. soul pull that quote up cuz that's crazy. oh God I hope I said it right. oh the opposite I looked the man in the.

eye I found him to be very. straightforward and trustworthy which. said I was able to get a sense of his. soul yeah well it was either he got it. or he didn't get it right iow we put so. I'm so glad we searched that yeah I am. too cuz I was confused I could have. swore it was the opposite well okay I. was wrong about that one but then he. said he later but he said he regretted. it because he was wrong he thought he. saw soul but he didn't he said that. later well that's what he said right he. said he regret pull it back. I think he said I thought I I saw.

thought I saw Saul in 95 later regretted. saying this yes how about that bush. later regret regretted saying this 95. met with Putin so he thought he saw Soul. Joe but he didn't that's what he came to. believe what does he say. later does it. say he just said he's regretted it. according. to uh then I was not able to get a sense. of his soul I did not see the Relentless. ambition when I looked into Putin look.

Putin in the eye 27 years ago but then I. was not able to get a sense of his soul. okay I think that's the line that stuck. with me I was not able to get a sense of. his soul well he doesn't speak Russian. either that's got to be [ __ ] hard as fck. just talking to someone in two different. languages is extremely have you been to. Moscow no I have not the architecture is. insane I loved it I've been there twice. Russia is incredible I loved it and like. one of the many things it's. like sucks about this I think is like.

moscow's just out now for for such a. long time and for a long time yeah I. I've gone there twice for for film. promotions and the people were so nice. the the food was fantastic the. architecture I mean walking through Red. Square I loved it I loved the culture um. and I it's too bad yeah it is too bad I. would hope I hope one day to be able to. go back. there yeah I mean it it's amazing how.

many great chess players how many great. Marshal artists how many great authors. Russia's produced some incredible things. incredible works and the architecture in. Russia is so different than anywhere. else the Moscow architecture is so. beautiful and so unique uniquely Russian. you know it's really fantastic stuff I. mean but it's just like the political. aspect it's so terrifying man that we're. like this close to a nuclear.

war godamn it scares the [ __ ] out of me. and I always wonder if the same sort of. decisionmaking apparatus that exists and. pushing through oxycoton also exists in. pushing through Wars also exists in. pushing. through just things that like morally we. would all say these are terrible. terrible things we should all agree on. this and to be able to convince large. groups of people to engage in them.

because you're the leader I mean. something that that I've been looking at. for for a while now is is uh try trying. to get into the. um weapons contracting business meaning. like you know what the the big ones the. McDonald Douglas the Rons the Boeing the. companies. that are making so much money um I was. uh I was in Pearl Harbor working on a. film and they had the the nuclear.

submarines coming in and out of the. harbor and have you ever seen one these. these Trident submarines no and uh. they're they're amazing like you know it. it it it never ceases to amaze me that. like many of our greatest creative. accomplishments are these weapon systems. right like have You' been on an aircraft. carrier before yes or you know witness. the awe and spectacle of those planes. right there incredible and we were. filming on a carrier in PE Harbor and. and the subs kept coming in and out and.

they're these massive Sleek they look. like you know sharks and they're. cruising slow and they dock in can I see. one Jamie and. uh and and I uh we had handlers from. Pearl Harbor there and I'm like you know. could I could I tore one and they word. they went to the admiral of the base and. the word came back yes you can tore one. so they took me to a to a a nuclear. submarine that was tied up at Pearl. Harbor and they took me on it and I go. and I've got these you know public.

affairs people and the captain of the. sub and showing me around the sub and. you walk and they're just awesome and. they're massive and they're full of. people and and it's just all like the. most like technical high tech [ __ ]. you've ever seen in your life and. they're like this is the navigation room. this is where we control the sub and. they're show me the equipment I'm like. how much does this equipment cost and. they're like well we can't we can't. really tell you but it's you know 500. between 50 and h100 million for this. area of the sub and then they take me.

past the nuclear reactors where there's. armed guys guard in the nuclear reactors. because they're propelled by nukes and. I'm like well how how much does it we. can't tell you right and then they get. you're into the the torpedo rooms where. there's these massive Torpedoes to. dozens of them and you're like how much. do these things cost ah we we can't tell. you we can't tell you then they take you. to the [ __ ] missile room room where. there's 10. missiles okay missiles to have nuclear.

warheads that can go on them. right sir how much do these cost well we. can't tell you that then you start. looking up the prices right and you. figure for a nuclear missile with the. Warhead and the guidance system and all. the propulsion you got to be looking at. at least 30 million that's my guess for. one what do you think a nuclear missile. armed and loaded costs I have no idea. I'm going to say 30 million minimum. guessing I'm guessing but I think I'm.

underg guessing probably and I've done. some calculated oh there was a a. question about this recently because um. the missiles that they shot at the. Chinese air balloon that balloon the Spy. balloon they missed one of them and then. there was a talk of how much that Miss. cost right a Miss cost a lot of money. and so but I'm on this sub and I'm. looking at what appears to bek that one. was. 400k the ones that out of the plane. maybe it's but that wasn't a nuke that. wasn't I'm talking about a nule aor a.

nuclear missile fired from from uh a. submarine right so here's so now I'm on. this thing I'm counting these missiles. 10 10 missiles right that I can see so. I'm doing trying to do the math 30 300 M. I say it's $500 million worth of. missiles on one sub right I'm looking I. can see eight Subs docked in Pro Harbor. right so now I'm like like there's 10 *.

8 right there's 80 missiles in my visual. at 500 missile and these are just the. subs I can see right so I'm thinking. well wait a minute if one of these Subs. fires one missile right we're [ __ ]. we're done the world is probably over. right yeah one missile goes we've got at. least 80 of them that I can see how many. people are making money off of this game. right where's the money going that we. have to keep putting loading these.

submarines with nuclear missiles one of. which is going to get it done that's not. then including all the missiles that are. in the silos right all the missiles that. are flying 24/7 in planes and bombs like. we are loaded up good right we got. enough yet we keep making more and this. is you know like puru Pharma these these. companies. and and now it's all turning into like. AI controlled drones right that are.

going to be like the new Forefront of. the weapon systems where all the money. is going to go but I was thinking like. what would happen if you took two of. these subs and took them offline and. built I don't know. schools what would happen would the. would would would we would we threat. would our national security be. threatened I don't know would would our. country be better off I don't know all. the money all the money is going into. the military and that's I'm support the.

military you know I've done multiple. films about our troops and I understand. I've I've been to Iraq with the seal. platoon I know what you know I've I've. had a front row seat to the reality of. what these men and women are going. through this kind of spending it seems. to me to be um a a a bit Reckless. well at the very least they're. incentivized they're incentivized to to.

be in Conflict if if there's that much. money to be made the the same way Purdue. Pharma was was incentivized to pretend. that it wasn't addictive even though. they knew it was it's the same kind of. thing like there's decisions that get. made specifically because of money. that's really scary for us because we. want to think that if we have a leader. We Trust to be a leader we have this. thought in our head that this is our. chief right this is the best warrior.

this is the wisest person that's lived. the longest and the best to govern us we. would never want to believe that someone. that he appoints and that's in that. chain involved in running all these. people is making decisions that will. absolutely cost lives and souls people. will be destroyed but they're making. these decisions because of money because. of money and and it's like the same. thing with um with some of these drugs. is the same thing with some of the big.

weapon systems you know some of like if. you're if you're the uh if you're the. President right if you're the next. president of of the US and you decide. that you want to reduce spending in the. military so say there's a jet. program F35 or some massive jet program. and it's costing a shitload of money and. you want to try and slow it down well. what they do is they build different. parts of the aircraft in different. states so there might be 30 states that.

are all contributing to making one. weapon system so if you try and. dismantle it you've got the government. the representatives from 30 different. states saying you can't do it we've got. a factory that's making the guidance. system we've got a factory that's arming. the the the ordinance on the on the. missiles we're doing the landing gear. and the weapons are now part of the. economy and they can't be divorced from. it and the spending just goes on isn't. there an argument on the other side.

though that we can't allow another. country to achieve military superiority. over us and if we stop Innovation and. stop the flow of money into developing. these new jets that we would run the. risk of that happening for sure and. that's that's the you know that's what's. going on with China right now right that. we're in an arms race with China a lot. of AI technology involved where like. we're now starting to discuss letting. AI fly and arm and release weapons on.

targets that that are AI assessed and AI. um authorized kills because China's. doing the same thing and we don't want. we don't want to be out teched by China. and so we're you know in a in a. never-ending arms race to have the best. technology I get it okay fine let's do. it it's just a lot of money you know and. and I can't help but think like who's. making.

money okay it says CBO estimates that. estimates that plans for us nuclear. forces as described in the fiscal year. 2023 budget and supporting documents. would cost 7 oh my God 756 billion over. the 2023 2032 period okay nine years uh. 122 billion more than cbo's 2021. estimate for the 2021 to 2030. period sorry guys we we underestimated.

by 122 billion our uh b61 nuke that's. they put on a lot of planes and stuff. right do you have a price tag on that. one yeah I do it's uh roughly 28 million. okay wow you're dead on so this is what. I'm saying 3,000 of them Jamie can you. how many do we have somewhere in the. range of 3 to 4,000 so what's in total. number just on that missile can you do. that multiplication 30 * 3,000 could you. imagine imagine the horror of how many. missiles do we have how many of those I.

there's something in the range of I. found something that we had. 3700 let's round it off to 3,500 imagine. 3,500 nuclear missiles launching through. the air the horrors of that one of those. 83 Hiroshima bombs just two just one of. them it's over game. over3 Hiroshima bombs yes that's like. this is the issue like holy yeah even.

that one blew up in the sky and these. can go underground and make things worse. oh my God but those are just air. delivered yes you show me that sub that. nuclear sub I was trying to I mean. there's a few I don't know exactly the. one he saw I was trying to find a good. picture from Pearl Harbor of a bunch of. Subs it is pretty [ __ ] amazing they. have a sub that runs on a nuclear. reactor beautiful achievements of. engineering and you know skill and. talent and like to be on that thing was. awe inspiring but my God are they. expensive yeah like like really.

expensive yeah it makes sense I mean. can't get one that that does something. like that for cheap but it's just it is. kind of amazing that our biggest. accomplishments are in the world of. Weaponry in the world of weaponry and. like other than communication like cell. phones and and the like and and uh. wireless internet this is crazy that. they develop a nuclear powered. underwater weapon that is designed to.

deliver taking out a country yeah. designed really only to deliver nuclear. missiles I mean how how many does this. [ __ ] carry on it how many cities. can this thing take out me instantly and. we and how many do we have like I've. seen like I said I saw six of them in. Pearl Harbor imagine being those kids. these kids look like they're like 20. years old look how young they look that. K that looks like it could be my friend. son and the bottom right with the. glasses yeah that is wild wild to be.

that young you're holding a machine gun. on a nuclear powered tank or you're that. dude and you're the captain look at this. guy you're the vice admiral Bill Houston. you run that [ __ ] you run that like we. talk about power like what we think of. power and you know like that's a crazy. job that guy Dana White has a tough job. that's a job that's a job this has to be. so nerve-wracking for all these people. on board especially when it goes in the. water when you know you're underwater.

like Jesus Christ I know they work I. mean but do you remember the there was a. Russian one that went down there was a. nuclear sub that went down and that's. where the term can neither confirm nor. deny that's when it was because they had. to answer so they had to have an answer. to like is this going on you guys. retrieving a nuclear sub from Russia. what's going on so because they had to. answer I don't think they have to answer. now but they had to come up with a phase. can either confirm or deny yeah what was. that about which uh which sub was that I.

think they allegedly recovered it which. is crazy so we have the ability to. recover a nuclear sub at the bottom of. the ocean like what the hell man I mean. that's the the more time I've spent with. uh with the military. like I when I went um I when I was right. in Lan Survivor I got to go to Iraq with. the Seal team and see them operating and. see the the skill with which they.

operated you know and that that that's. almost a an there's no technology. involved there like seals seals don't. don't really need this kind of stuff. that's just more like give me a Jeep. give me some night vision goggles give. me some good Intel on where the guy is. and I'll deal with. it that was that was beautiful that was. like the most elite team training and. discipline and structure I'd ever seen. so on on a human level what I observed. with with the group like like the seals.

was such a um an incredibly advanced. form of Team Behavior then when you get. into this stuff the have you ever seen a. um an Apache helicopter up close and see. these so these Pilots for Apache. helicopters we use some in loan they're. wearing the like these the helicopters. pull up and they're just incredible. looking pieces of equipment and these. 22-year-old kids are flying them and. they've got a helmet with a mask and. they call it slaving the ship to the.

goggles so they they attack they. activate the goggles so that wherever. they turn the helicopter turns and where. they they've got eye sensors so where. their eyes go the guns go right so I you. look at it you kill it and we're they're. giving us these demonstrations and. they're flying them all around the set. I'm. like okay I've seen the pyramids I've. seen the notredam cathedral in France. I've I've seen a lot of Van go they're. beautiful I saw the Mona Lisa that was.

great seen as [ __ ] helicopter turning. as the guy's head turns with the weapon. systems I'm like who's building cooler. [ __ ] than this like like yes it wins it. wins there it is our greatest. achievement our these weapons of death. they're incredible I just like well. that's what you can make if you have an. unlimited budget and really smart guys. like appenheimer had a hell of a like.

that was a great build right that was a. great build but man it's. expensive and it's kind of a bummer when. this [ __ ] gets used it's really bad what. do you think about all this UAP UFO. stuff have you thought about this do you. think that this is some sort of a. government program like they they've. developed these high-speed drones in. secrecy. I mean because that's one prevailing. Theory I have trouble understanding like.

take the UFO aspect of it right like yes. there's absolutely zero question on. Earth that there's life out in the solar. system it's an infinite solar system it. goes on forever I'm sorry infinite. Universe um smoke some 5 Meo and you'll. go out there right right and. and like yes it's out there the. government keeping it secret and being. that capable to find it and keep it.

secret I don't know um I took mushrooms. with my friend Mike dorio and we tried. to get on Area 51 one day and we drove. up there and like we such and I just did. mushrooms thing to do oh yeah we tried. and we like have you ever gone up there. no I have not cuz it's this road Area 51. it's this highway and and the base is. over a mountain but the road goes on. forever and you're driving and we're. high as [ __ ] on mushrooms and we keep. we're not getting any closer to the.

mountain and we driving and we're. driving and we're driving and suddenly. there's a white van behind us right with. the light on and we're like oh [ __ ] okay. good like this is kind of what we. thought might happen and sure enough. guys get out military dudes with guns. and they're looking at us they like okay. you guys are a mushrooms right we've. seen this we've seen this turn around. it's so common turn around that's. hilarious. like the mushrooms want you to go to. Area 51 you're not getting on the base. they're like there's a hotel called the.

little alien go down there with. everybody house it's on mushrooms and. and you could sit out there all night. and have all your theories and you're. turning around and we're like Roger that. that's amazing so so funny that they. called it yeah they knew it like they. just get supposed to be so common. buddies are like let's take some shrooms. and get on Area 51 and these guys are. not they weren't nasty or tough but. they're like yeah yeah you're going to. turn around drink some water turn around. and go to the little alien Hotel you're.

allowed to get like a certain distance. and then it's illegal and I I believe. they had to expand that distance I want. to say it was during the Obama. Administration they had to acknowledge. the might have been before that they had. it might have been Clinton they had to. acknowledge the existence or it might. have been Bush rather they had to. acknowledge the existence of Area 51 in. order to expand the forbidden zone yeah. because they had a forbidden zone but. they did not no fly over no drive you. can't hike in because people were.

filming things John leer in particular a. lot of people were filming things that. that set up like very strong telescopes. and high-speed Optics and they were. filming these tests of these things. whether or not these things for UFOs or. whether it's top secret [ __ ] they're. working on obviously the stealth bomber. came from that program the Harrier jump. jet which would like vertically lift and. then take off they made a lot of wild. [ __ ] that is absolutely from us but the. the alleged claims and the most.

fascinating one is this guy Bob Lazar. who claims to have worked at S4 which is. a one a site four of Area 51 and he was. on a program designed to back engineer. this recovered disc it's a fascinating. story because if he's full of [ __ ] oh my. God what a great story this guy's pulled. the wool over people's eyes for 30 years. right cuz he told the story in like 1989. was the first time told it so it's more. than 30 years but he's also he has like.

real knowledge of the the area he has. real knowledge of Los Alamos labs where. they they tried to say that he never. worked there but then they found him on. the employee roster from the time he he. went in there people knew him right like. it seems like the guy really was a. propulsion specialist and they really. did try to get some off the [ __ ]. beaten path scientists like let's take. because they have to get fresh eyes in. these things allegedly every few years. they bring in but everyone's sworn to. secrecy and it's very compartmentalized.

so the Metallurgy guys are not allowed. to talk to the propulsion guys the. propuls no one gets together and goes. what the [ __ ] is this like they can't. have a group of s so they exist in a. team form and it just does it doesn't. work that way they need more people and. he said no one was able to figure out. anything about it other than there's. some sort of a reactor that worked on. some new element it was theoretical back. then but now they know it's a real. element it was I will believe it like I. have no reason to not believe it and to. certainly. not like what I was getting at though is.

that like when you see an insane system. like these helicopters and the the the. goggles and then you see these insane. nuclear powerered submarines and these. insane aircraft carriers like what we. have built is so [ __ ] mindblowing why. wouldn't we think that we've hit some. Next Level propulsion system and that. the reason why the Pentagon is talking. talk about out of this world crafts. they're obscuring reality like the. reason why people are like coming.

forward and telling you about their. experience and this program like maybe. that's obscuring reality it might be. [ __ ] it might be that we we the. government the military and the. contractors don't want any of our. enemies to know that they have some. [ __ ] Bonker [ __ ] that can go. literally like the speed of light that. we have that we have if um so I was just. working up in uh New Mexico. and like we were filming around Los. Alamos have you have you ever been to.

Los Alamos no and like it's it's amazing. that like people just haven't seen the. laboratory the current Los Alamos. research laboratory which is you know. across the street from where Oppenheimer. lived when he was doing the Manhattan. Project which was this boy school that. they kicked everyone out and all the. scientists moved in which was not in the. film which is quite interesting like Los. Alamos if you can ever go there and see. the museums and you know it's just a. fascinating place to see where they.

built that bomb but across the street or. actually across this River from where. Oppenheimer lived is now the current Los. Alamos research laboratory pull up a. picture of that one if if you want to. see something mindblowing it's bigger. than UCLA campus it's this massive. research. facility um in Lo Sal. which and you can't see half of it it's. supposedly a giant chunk of it is.

underground it's completely armed we. would drive there's a road that road at. the top there is this access road that. we would drive every day to go up. there's a ski mountain above it so for. some reason they let you drive fairly. close but it's all Homeland Security. protecting it super fortified and armed. and it's in the middle of [ __ ]. nowhere and this was birthed from yeah. you can see where it is right it's in. the middle of nowhere literally in the.

middle of nowhere we first got up there. and we're like what are they doing here. and like everyone's like well it's. digital Warfare it's um M nuclear. maintenance it's you know alien. dissection it is like like like forget. Area 51 this place was like you know to. so if we inventing [ __ ] this is the kind. of place we're inventing it and we went. out a couple of days to these uh there's.

you know some restaurants and bars in. the town of Los Alamos and I'm like if. I'm China I'm just hiring I'm hiring hot. girls spot getting them to turn and. putting them as bartenders or cocktail. waitresses CU all the scientists from. Los Alamos just go there after work and. get drunk that's where that's where. everything's going down wow like you. gota like half of it underground well. that's what they say like we'd be up on. this. mountain there's a it did this place.

that's what it looks like wow looks. massive it's in the middle of in the. middle of nowhere wild I'm like I try. and start conversation I'm like guys. what do you know about Lo Alamos Jamie. what's that image to the left it's got. all the I looked it up too I don't know. what it is but they've got like they've. got like the um accelerators you know. you ever heard of like particle. accelerators I mean I'm sure half your. listeners know what this is like this is. all was all started by Oppenheimer every.

the whole the he used to be a log cabin. no that's the school I think that's the. school that they took over they show a. little bit of. it yeah it was such a crazy story like. how they just these scientists just. moved into this this school kicked all. the kids out under you know National. Security order and the scientists moved. in and they just and like to your point. no one knew what anyone else was doing. when they were building the bomb so. you're working on one part I'm working. on another our wives have no idea what's.

going on um were going out and building. the bomb all day and coming home and. just like drinking they all drank and. like w I think there was like a lot of. wife swapping and weird [ __ ] going on. too they were just partying and building. [ __ ] nuclear bombs Jesus and now you. go out there and see what there and it's. just like I just want to know what are. we doing how much does it cost and who's. in charge and Los Alamos now so so if.

there is those systems in my mind if. there was an alien ship found the. government wanted they're going to take. it to Los Alamos that's where they're. going to take it that's where they're. going to dissect it and whatever is. going on out there is some deep and real. [ __ ] that's where Lazar worked um if you. go from Orville Wilbur and Orville. rights invention of the aircraft how. long is the time period before someone. drops a nuclear bomb out of.

one how much time is between was it 60. years like what was when was Wilbur and. or's first that's a great question well. because if you think of that just think. of like what an insane jump in. technology from the very first airplane. to dropping a nuclear bomb out of. oneide or just dropping a bomb right. like weaponizing yes airlight. weaponizing airflight and like but a. nuclear bomb yeah even more insane.

because of the technology involved just. what a 1902 is around when they credit. them for flying that was Kitty Hawk wow. trying to find the thought it was 1800. yeah I did too that seems lzy 1902. that's crazy so that's 45. years is that real right about 40 oh my. God 45 years before they dropped nuclear. bomb out of it that's what it is right. it's 47 yeah I'm see like 1903 is the. planes that's when I think they got the.

P was Kittyhawk Kittyhawk wasn't 1903. was it the flight I don't think it was. I'll double check wow yeah December 1903. oh my god well that makes sense though. because there's video of it there's film. of it so it has to be when when did they. invent film you could there's some stuff. from the 1800s but it's rough yeah it. was bad film it was like jumpy like yeah. um right but so your point is like how. short a period of. time and so where is it going right what.

do they have already like if they have. programs to do something like Los Alamos. labs if they have programs to do. something like area S4 if they can. develop these. insane machines in silence what it what. did what have what else do they AI. controlled aircraft that's going to fly. there was just a great article in the. New York Times yesterday about it all. these companies that are now scrambling. to take over the builds which which is a.

threat to the established weapons. manufacturers jet Builders because. they're the the future are fighting. China in in a large like full scale and. battle is going to be AI controlled. drone dependent so rather than sending. human beings in $60 million jets they're. going to send swarms of two or $3. million AI controlled fighter drones and. those are going to be self driven right.

self- flown the way elon's trying to get. self-driving vehicles and be self that. this is the plan great article yesterday. and that's that's where it's going and. if Orville right could see that Robot. Wars robot 100% Robot Wars robot wars. like like um Cameron had it right you. know Terminator had it right and. like like AI dude.

right it's on it's crazy it's crazy you. know I mean I think this is what uh not. I'm not defending Ted kazinski but this. is what Ted kazinsky Manifesto was about. was the constru construction of. Technology was going to replace the. human race what is this Jamie that's an. AI drone wow I mean this is this is uh. whoa this is the future. look at this [ __ ] and like my. business is on strike you know the. writers and and and and I'm I support my.

strike but you know AI is a big issue we. don't like everyone's worried about AI. right well everybody's worried about AI. right like AI is going to be fighting. our Wars and and like you know when AI. is going to be writing books when when. Trump was talking about space force back. in the day like this is space force yeah. this is real space for [ __ ] yeah and. it's funny they didn't even think of. that in Star Wars Ai No no they didn't.

isn't that wild like in Star Wars no one. had a cell phone and but they had. lightsabers they did have lightsabers. come on pretty dope definitely dope yeah. they had rt2 helped with some [ __ ] but I. don't know what he was really doing but. he was so sad all the time he was so. annoying um but IM but there's a giant. difference between that and sending a a. pilotless jet to engage in in combat it. seems like that the direction yeah I get. [ __ ] so terrified when I watch those. Boston Dynamic videos of those robots.

that they're inventing yeah it's crazy. they're getting so good they're acrobats. now I went to um MIT uh we filmed. something MIT and they took me into the. robotics Department like down in the. basement and they showed me like these. 10 kids did a presentation you been to. campus at MIT yes [ __ ] cool right. yeah um uh we got to film on the campus. where where the first filmm Patriots Day. because one of the MIT cops was killed. by the Marathon bombers they they killed.

him after the bombing and so they wanted. to honor him and they let us film there. and they took us down to the robotics. wing and showed us a robot cheetah that. they had invented that was sprinting up. and down the halls and jumping over. little obstacles and I'm like I'm like. what and like can I see that show me the. MIT robotic cheetah the um the those. little ones that look like dogs they SC. sh but it was it was a cheetah it was.

different than this these things scare. the [ __ ] out of me because you could. just easily see them with a gun on them. yeah that's RoboCop [ __ ] and um if you. watch that uh Netflix show Black Mirror. there's one great episode did you ever. see the heavy metal episode uh is that. about robots it's about one of these. things chasing after this lady it's. [ __ ] great it's terrifying but you. look at how moves and Gates dude it's. it's real and it's like you talk about.

like so look at that and think about the. progression that the r brother from the. R Brothers to uh you know Hiroshima in. terms of aircraft 50 years that. technology that was what they were doing. with the cheetah that was what that was. that is that MIT yeah this was 10 years. ago 10 years ago look how how fast this. is what they showed me but it was they. put a like a cheetah a cheetah skin over. it this is 28 miles an hour. I bet it goes 100 now like think about. that it's probably electric now we were. talking about electric Eng think about.

that with a lightsaber attached to its. head just like Charing through crowd. control look at this thing that looks. like a giant dog that's that's the see. the cheeter tail there on the go see. that cheetah tail that was the room we. were in Ah that's MIT isn't it yeah. that's the actual room we were in laser. distance data so it's it's figuring out. distances between things just got faster. one year ago. wow that [ __ ] like like think about. the. applications yeah it's not good it's not.

going to teach people give me go go go. what's one pos like what's one kind. loving positive application for that. thing like rescue pull people out of a I. have a dog yeah oh okay I maybe rescue. but they're not going to use it for that. no they're not dude they're not that's. coming like in your door remember. remember when uh was it Gates was the. the LA chief of police who first used a. tank in South Central Los Angeles do you. remember that story I don't remember.

that oh God but I think it was Gates was. his name and he was the like his. strategy was okay if you're hold up in. your uh your house and we want to arrest. you we're going to put a battering ram. on a tank and he drove his tank andan he. got in hu tremendous trouble like the. beginning of like the LAPD being called. out for like militarization excessive. excessive Nancy re raided a South. Central crack house. what I think this is it they're cling. yeah it was like the first uh designer.

drug grade is what called there a it. says pure publicity stunt Nancy look at. this Nancy Reagan wanted to find a way. to maintain her visibility as an. anti-narcotics Crusader now that her. husband was out of office Chief Gates. was looking toward a possible. gubinatorial run which mercifully never. came to pass for those arrested it was. another day in the war that americ. American politicians and police had. declared on black and brown communities. they really rolled in with a tank yeah. they did they put they put a um batter.

and RAM on a tank and and roll rolled in. you know that that's another you know. interesting element of painkiller that. we touch upon was the parallels between. um between oxycotton and and crack. cocaine you know the crack epidemic oh. yeah there it is that's la. like going after going after uh that's. the War on Drugs in Los Angeles says.

that rescue we to rescue you from your. life but that that was how crack was. dealt with right in the 80s and if you. look at oxycoton and what the sackers. were able to do and how they were able. to basically take something much more. lethal and certainly more profitable. than [ __ ] crack and get away with it. like that's that's something that we we. talk about quite a bit it's pretty. insane it's pretty insane that this is.

the reality of our current generation. that money allowed this to happen and. that influence allowed this to happen. and most people just trusted their. health care professional and they TR and. then in like as it said in the film like. or in your show you know that guy's. trusting the FDA he's trusting them that. they know what they're doing what do you. think you would do if uh you know you. you hurt yourself you were training and. you know had a had a really painful.

injury say you know you really [ __ ] up. your shoulder and you know in between. the immediate pain. was you know very high and and a doctor. was like okay here's the deal like this. is going to really [ __ ] hurt we. recommend a low dose of an opioid how. would you how would you react to that. well um I've had that happen um I I have. uh had knee surgery and when I was on uh.

in the hospital they had like a morphine. drip and it was wonderful was a very. like apparently you press the button and. you get more morphine sure that I think. that's how it worked this is uh. 92 somewhere around there. 93. um but when I got my nose fixed um I got. my nose fixed a few years back and the. do it didn't even hurt and the doctor. prescribed medicine I should bring it. back to the first surgery when I when I.

got the drip when I got the drip he did. give me vicadin it was either vicadin or. perco set I can't remember which one it. was I'm pretty sure it was vicadin. though I only took it once and I felt so. stupid it made me feel so dumb and just. dull that uh it wasn't a wonderful feel. it wasn't oxycon it wasn't a wonderful. feeling at all it sucked and so I only. took it once and then I just dealt with. the pain and that was a pretty sign ific. knee surgery cuz it's a Patel ATT tendon. graph they take a piece out of your shin. bone piece out of your Patel attendant.

and a piece out of your kneecap and then. they open you up like a fish and screw. into your bones but I didn't take. anything else I was like I'm not taking. [ __ ] I'm just going to deal with pain. and then when I got my nose fixed the. doctor fixed it and uh he prescribed me. two different opiates one of them was. oxycoton and I forget what the other one. was and uh how long ago was this 15. years ago um and when he to prescribed. it to me I'm like but it doesn't hurt. I'm like it doesn't hurt like right now. it doesn't hurt you did the operation.

it's done right like it's not hurting I. mean it's uncomfortable because I've got. these [ __ ] sponge things shoved up my. nostrils with little tubes in them to. expand my nostrils and allow it all to. heal in the right form after it was. sounds horrible it sucked but it's a. really good move if you have a deviated. septum my nose I broke my nose for the. first time when I was like five and I. think I broke it who knows how many. times after that maybe a dozen it was. destroyed the inside of my nose was all. [ __ ] up it was completely closed off.

so they fixed it this the doctor was. fantastic he fixed it and he but he. tried to give me two different opiates. he's like you're going to need these and. I was like but it doesn't hurt like I. don't understand what you're saying I'm. telling you right now I'm not in pain am. I going to be in more pain like how am I. going to be in more pain later I think. like right after the operation it's the. most pain you'd be maxing out and he. goes uh you're going to you're going to. be very very uncomfortable just take. this prescription and I took it home and. I just put this prescription in the. drawer I go okay if it gets crazy if. something happens and I just I can't.

sleep and I'm in agony it never hurt at. all it was just uncomfortable just a. little you know like I got punched in. the nose but it wasn't like I can't. sleep I was like this isn't fine like. what the [ __ ] are you talking you're. trying to give me heroin for this yes he. was this is crazy he did give you heroin. two different kinds I forget what it was. but one of them was oxycotton one of. them was something else but I'm like. you're giving me two different kinds of. painkillers and this is when I was kind. of already aware of that because I. already had people in my family that had. had in issues with pills and I was like.

dude what are you giving me yeah it's. it's really disturbing my uh my son. broke his collar bone playing the cross. and I had to take him to um the hospital. in Connecticut and you know the doctor's. like okay you it's broken collarbone. there's not much we can do when you know. he was 16 or 17 and he wrote him a. script for actually cotton and I'm like. are you out of your [ __ ] mind and I'm. like what like I H the the the prescribe.

like are you out of your mind and the. doctor like it works it works there's. going to be pain. and I know it's interesting because I I. do wonder you know um I remember uh you. know who uh U Marcus's brother Morgan. the trail have you ever met him no I. haven't tough dude and when I I when I. was getting ready to do the film I had. heard about Morgan but I never met him. and I and he had fallen out of a.

helicopter doing training and broken his. back and was was in rouin in in Virginia. and I I knew he'd been hurt and so I I. wanted to meet him because they're very. close and I knew if I was going to make. a film about Marcus I had to at least. meet Morgan because Morgan's a powerful. figure in Marcus's life so I flew out. there and went to his house I got there. late at night and a bunch of seal in the. house and and Morgan was sitting in a. chair and and they were they were.

watching TV and and he was just sitting. there and he was every once in a while. he would tremble and you know he hadn't. he decided he wasn't going to take. anything i' have broke him back I'm like. dude you're not taking anything and he's. like [ __ ] no I'm not taking anything I'm. going to I'm GNA I'm going to experience. this pain I'm going to I'm going to. process this pain I'm going to use this. pain and he wrote out his broken back. back without any pain without any pain. medication and it it did make me think.

and I I I I still think you know how. pain adverse we all are right like oh it. hurts make it go away right make it go. give me the quickest path to being. painfree drink this smoke this buy this. yeah [ __ ] this whatever right and that. we're so bad at tolerating pain and. expectation is oh okay Joe we just. worked on your nose you're going to feel. pain take this you don't want that pain.

no you don't want that pain you can't. handle that pain and we're just so. [ __ ] soft when it comes to pain right. it's also I think we've been programmed. to think that when you're in pain you. need to take medication regardless of. the dangers of that stuff I remember. this sad story from Co where this woman. overdosed on Tylenol she died from a. camenen poison which is apparently. fairly common if you take a lot of. Tylenol your liver can't process it you. get liver failure and it's just from.

Pain you know just didn't want to feel. it I don't want to feel like this give. me something that makes me not feel like. this but I mean I have not had back. surgery but I've had three knee. surgeries and I told you on the one I. took the one U Vicodin but then after. that I didn't take anything so my right. knee when I got it done I didn't take. [ __ ] and I got my left knee scoped I. didn't take [ __ ] and then I got the nose. fixed didn't take [ __ ] I was like I you. just deal with pain but back pain I. think is a different animal back pain is.

debilitating in a way that um I haven't. experienced I could walk around on. crutches if my knee was [ __ ] up right. you know there's a there's a difference. and I think you got to be really uh. cautious like I don't want to make. anybody feel bad because they're taking. medication for back pain because I think. back pain is something where it just. overwhelms Your Existence if you have a. bad Hern disc it does I've had them I. had surgery on them and and like yeah I. what did you get done did you get it. fused or I had the disectomy okay so.

they took a little bit of your disc out. yeah in the future if you're ever going. to do something like that again like we. were talking about stem cells that's the. fix and I I avoided that kind of surgery. you think stem cells for herniated disc. yes yes stem cells in traction Spinal. traction it depends on how bad it's. herniated whether it's bulging or. whether it's ruptured uh whether it's. rupture they do have disc Replacements. that many people have done now they. these T titanium articulating discs my.

friend Eddie got it in his back Alaine. Sterling who is the UFC bantamweight. champion he got it in his neck are this. steal yeah it's a titanium articulating. disc and was he able to fight after he. fought again and he defend the title he. defended the title one he one. to I think three times after. that that's amazing it's amazing it's. amazing yeah three times and he actually. defended the title more than anybody. ever has in that division do you think. his neck was Stronger 100% like like it.

was stronger than prior to the injury. yes no no no no no not as strong as like. if he's not injured all he wasn't like. the bionic man that was rebuilt stronger. and I don't believe Advantage but it. might be the same it might be that his. neck is the same you strength in your. neck comes from obviously the structure. the bones but it also comes from working. your neck out. you know like there's a bunch of. exercises that guys do to strengthen. their neck and sometimes when guys don't. do that then they run into problems like.

bulging discs but you're going to run. into those anyway in Combat Sports it's. inevitable but I know of many many many. many people now that have sought help. particularly uh overseas uh whether it. is in Peru uh or Panama rather Colombia. or Tijuana uh the CPI Institute in tan I. know and there's bio accelerator in. Columbia that's very good they've taken. care of a lot of UFC athletes a lot of. guys get stuff fixed why can't this. stuff be approved in the US like if my. suspicion yeah is the same suspicion.

when you see the influence that these. pharmaceutical drug companies have over. the FDA wow my suspicion is that there. has probably been an analysis done of. what would happen if stem cell use was. ubiquitous what what would happen if it. was everywhere what would happen if you. allowed people to use stem cells the way. have trouble well maybe. but certainly more people would get. healed more people would get fixed like. I don't know of anyone who has had and.

this is just my own anecdotal experience. I don't know of anyone who had bad. experiences with stem cells I've had. people that I know that did it and it. didn't helped them but upon further. examination either their problem was too. big and it need required surgery or in. the most poor we're dealing with like. Fighters and a lot of these guys just. don't wait long enough before they go. hard they go back they train hard they. have like a a knee issue or a shoulder. issue and they go back and they train. they train they're too Savage they get.

right back into it as soon as they start. feeling good and you really need a lot. of time for it to take root and many. many months for it to really heal but. like I've said many times on the show. and I told you earlier I had a. fulllength rotator cuffed hair my doctor. assured me I was going to need surgery. but why were you able to do it in the US. it was different it was there was. different regulations when I did it the. whatever I don't remember exactly what. mezen kind stem cells and they used. exosomes I don't exactly remember like. what it all was but I know I remember.

that it's all processed from umbilical. cords so say if a a young lady like and. I think you have to be 25 years or. younger has a baby through a C-section. then they harvest their umbilical cord I. don't know they sell it or whatever and. then they convert that into stem cells. and that is unique particularly unique. in its ability to help heal any kind of. tissue but the difference what you're. allowed to do in America now is. different from it was back then but also. the stuff they're doing in these other.

places overseas is much more traumatic. they because they can they can use much. larger Doses and they keep you there for. three days and they also combine it with. Hyperbaric therapy and a bunch of other. different things that also accelerate. your healing nadiv drips a bunch of. different things that help along the. process of your healing and I know many. people that have avoided surgery because. of that and now we're back to. 100% but doesn't mean you don't need. surgery like there's certain disc issues. that that are ruptured beyond the point. of repair and you probably need.

something done and it's nice that there. is all these different options you just. you have to be careful you know whenever. you're getting something that's an. operation like especially if you're. getting a replacement like a knee. replacement or something you all that. stuff you got to be careful but you. think that it's possible that the FDA is. being cced by other forces to keep this. [ __ ] out of the US I absolutely don't. know right I'm guess it's possible I. think if it's possible that a human. being a lone human being could be taken.

into a hotel room and for a couple of. days and then comes out and he has a. $400,000 a year job after he retires and. this revolving door does exist we know. that we know that exists why wouldn't. you protect your interest by stopping. some sort of a novel new sort of uh. treatment that may lead to way less. people on pain medication way less. people that need anti-inflammatories way. less people that need a lot of the stuff.

you sell it makes sense it does to me. and then you got oh the dangers of stem. cells but oxycotton is safe and. effective like that's so nuts that's so. nuts that they say that because dangers. where are the bodies yeah what where the. bodies I haven't heard about stem cell. addiction um uh I haven't heard of stem. cell overdose is yeah where the bodies. where're the bodies I I have a a bunch. of anecdotal stories from UFC fighters.

Jiu-Jitsu athletes good friends of mine. a lot of them like dozens of guys who. have gone and had massive relief from. stem cells yeah I got a buddy in the UFC. right now who just just went down to I. think bogatar and he's doing some. because I have I have some back issues. go down there yeah I will you should or. Tiana what I do find or Panama it just. sounds so crazy I'm gonna go to Tiana. and fix my back no I it sounds it sounds. wrong but I starting to believe that.

it's not I think we have a [ __ ] up. system I think I really really do and. the process to making that stuff legal. they're in the process of doing that and. Dr Neil Reen is deeply involved in this. he's the guy that I had on with Mel. Gibson back in the day and Mel talked. about his own in injuries that he got. fixed with stem cells and and his dad he. saying his dad was in a wheelchair yeah. and then you know like a few years later. his dad's walking around he's where did. me go they went to Panama and um Dr Reen. he was like the first guy that I ever. talked to about this stuff and he's. written many published papers and books.

on it and very very very knowledgeable. guy when it comes to this and they're. absolutely convinced that it's. beneficial and we should be using it. everywhere but so like one of the things. that that I don't think anyone really. understands that hasn't done it is like. okay you're going to go get stem cell. therapy in wherever in Panama what does. that mean like you like you fly from. to Panama you drive to some like. established looking clinic or is it like. in the back of a strip mall no no no no.

it's in a very I sent my mom there twice. yeah in Panama yeah I sent my mom to. Pama wow well you should lead with that. that's I should have told you that. earlier yeah that yeah my mom had really. good success with it with her knee but. when you uh me really believe in it okay. oh yeah yeah yeah it's a nice area where. where their their Clinic is is very nice. it's in a beautiful office building. they take you there for 3 days and do. you sleep like so is it impatient so you. yeah there's a hotel there there's a. hotel right next to it and what the.

treatment is what it's an injection it's. a series of injections and wherever the. injury is along with IV infusions they. do IV stem cells as well which uh helps. your whole body like whatever little. weird aches and tears you have my friend. Gordon Ryan who's best Jiu-Jitsu athlete. of all time he had an issue with his. shoulder so he got injections in his. shoulder and it fixed his neck he had a. neck problem for like a year and just by. the fact that it's in the area it. literally goes to.

wherever wow it fixed his neck he's like. there's no other explanation he's like. four weeks later my neck was better I. always felt that the one of the greatest. recoveries from an injury that I've ever. witnessed me interested to hear what. yours is I was at the um fight when. Silva cracked his leg yes um Chris. Weidman Chris. and I was there I was like up front and. I heard it and I heard him scre and I. saw it right you were there yeah yeah I.

was there you how did he recover from. that in fight again well he did but he. didn't um in my mind I think Anderson. Silva is the greatest middleweight of. all time right up there with aagna I. think aagna and and Anderson and it's. like different eras but godamn when they. were on top I mean Anderson. was just. in The Matrix he was so good he was such. an assassin in his prime people forgot.

how great he was like top five of all. time top three of I don't know I don't. like a Mount Rushmore because there's. only room for four heads yeah I need. think there's a lot more because you. have to have ho graci but maybe a Mount. Rushmore close he's one of the greatest. of all time how did he recover from that. but he didn't he was never the same guy. he did but if you watch Anderson Silva. pre CH widman pre- leg break and then. post leg break it's a different athlete. he can't kick the same way with that leg.

anymore I I bet it doesn't move as well. I bet there's issues in terms of like. load balance and like the way it feels. it's probably in pain all the time. there's a lot of factors you're probably. very hesitant to throw that same kick. again because you just had your NE leg. snap in half and your leg was [ __ ] up. for a good solid year and a half after. that and you had to have surgery and. there's plates in there and rods and. [ __ ] screws did he win he he won fights.

after that he won fights after not as. many no I mean what is Anderson's record. should pull up Anderson's record and. again this is not in disrespect of. Anderson because I I mean Chris wman. just came back from a knee break too or. a leg break as well rather and it was. just last weekend two is that the worst. injury that you've ever seen in UFC Sil. yeah well I saw it with Weidman the same. exact injury he snapped his own leg too. which is crazy that Anderson was. involved so look at look at that go. scroll up okay so Derek Brunson was his.

last win and that was in 2017 then he. lost to Israel adna Jared caner and. yuriah hall and then there's the loss of. Michael Bisby so you go like from Chris. Weidman so the Nate the Nick Diaz fight. was kind of crazy that was July 2013. yeah I think that was no contest because. so you got two years or a year and a. half from the widman leg break till he. fights Nick Diaz again and I think what. is that no contest because like I think. Silva tested positive for steroids both.

popped yeah still Sila tested positive. for steroids which makes sense because. he's recovering from this horrific leg. injury you know like when you when you. there's no way you're going to do that. clean and come back in a year and a half. like you need help you need like that's. the the legit reason for those kind of. steroids so if you go before that though. you go before the the widman fight. look at these [ __ ] wins I mean. Stephan boner cha Sun y Noami VOR bord. cha sun and Daman Maya forth Griffin.

talas leus Patrick cotay James Irvin. it's just ko ko ko submission KO Rich. Franklin KO Nate marquart KO Travis. lutter submission Rich Franklin KO Chris. leben KO Tony freckin KO I mean he's. just dominating everyone and then what. after and after the leg break look he. won one fight after the leg break he's. got the no contest which was a kind of a. boring fight anyway but then you got. lost loss one win a decision win over.

Derrick Bruns lost lost lost right he. was never the same again he was never. the same again if you the the Anderson. Silva that smoked Forest Griffin the. Anderson Silva that destroyed vtor bord. the Anderson Silva that just dominated. that division he was never really that. guy again the Anderson Silva that beat. Dan Henderson he was never that guy. again and I think that it's a very very. very very very difficult injury to come. back from and be. 100% what what are your thoughts on um.

and I I've talked to Dana about it. like what what you know we talk you talk. about the um i' I've done work uh with. the NFL on brain injury and you know. worked on changing the way football. players tackle started a heads up. tackling program with uh uh with kids. try and get them to stop bleeding with. their heads um for for brain injury and. for paralysis I've seen both and worked. in that space a bit and you know what.

what what are your thoughts on on where. what what what what we're going to see. you know in the in the UFC with some of. these fighters in 5 10 years like what. you know I work with a lot of boxers and. and I've seen a lot of boxers have a. rough time obviously as as they get as. they get older and they get out of it um. what what what do you think the. long-term uh ramifications for fighters. in their their their brains are when. they get out is absolutely never good to.

get hit in the head yeah we all know. that to deny that is crazy but this. sport is you trying to hit someone in. the head and them trying to hit you in. the head it's a [ __ ] insane sport. it's you trying to strangle them you. trying to get them to not hit you you. try to take them down you try to submit. them but it's just this. part of the sport a big part of the. sport is getting hit in the head and. some of these guys are getting kicked in. the head and if you've ever seen someone.

get kicked in the head and I've seen a. lot um it is a terrifying moment you. know when a guy like Leon Edwards in the. fifth round takes out kamaro Usman who's. like one of the greatest of all time. with one kick that's when you realize. like oh my God like what a ferocious. weapon a shin to your neck is I mean. it's crazy you watch people get hit by. those things there's no way that's good. for you that is definitely bad for you. the question is how bad and how much of.

how much damage have you taken what. steps have you made in Camp to mitigate. the the LA the less to to to mitigate. the amount of damage that you take and. in Camp too right like sparing in Camp. yes and you have to make sure when you. Spar in Camp that you are being very. careful that you are you're not going to. war that you're not getting there's a. lot of fights where guys have gotten big. concussions before they fought and then. when they fought the first punch that. hits them they go out even punches that.

don't even look like a devastating punch. but they're so damaged already going. into the fight because they they train. too hard they got beat up and then. there's there's this intangible thing. where sometimes guys have an Iron Jaw. literally you can't knock them out and. then one day it goes and when it goes. It's Gone Forever when it goes they get. knocked out a bunch of times after that. and that's that seems to be indicative. of something wrong something seriously. wrong what that is I'm not a neurologist.

I'm not sure it's got to be damaged to. your brain it's got to be damaged to. your body it's you you're not durable. anymore for some reason and that's the. tip of the iceberg the long-term effects. are like severe cognitive decline it's. uh pugilistica dementia yeah it's uh. trauma-induced Park that some boxers. like Freddy roach has yeah it's a it's a. reality of the sport and you would hope.

that they have friends that can have. that long hard talk with them when it's. over and say this is not there I'm not. saying this because you know for any. reason other than you you literally have. to be told this you got to get out now. or you're not going to be normal in 10. years like I have run into Old. boxers um guys that were younger than me. and I I ran into Terry Norris once who. was a I was a giant fan of Terry Norris.

he was so [ __ ] good and I ran into. him at a fight and he sln his words so. bad they did a whole uh news piece on. him where he talked about it and his. wife is helping him and he's gotten. better since then but this struggle that. you see like one of the [ __ ] great. welterweight champions ever and then you. see like how he's dealing with things. now was he one 54 I'm not sure but you. see how he's dealing with things now. it's like God was it worth it I don't. know man I don't know yeah I mean I was.

thinking I I saw you had um Terence. Crawford on the other day who I love so. much he's amazing and he just seems so. sharp and his his defensive skills are. are great yeah and um you know but I I. watch it and I'm like man I hope you. know when to stop yeah it would be a. tragedy to see a guy that sharp struggle. mentally and and I I do think it's. interesting you know I've worked in. boxing for a while I I have a gym and I. managed some Fighters and and uh where. is it it's in Santa Monica Churchill.

Boxing Club oh wow that's awesome we're. it's a it's a great gym we were wildcard. West we started as wild card West Freddy. let me use his name to get the gym going. um and then we were wild card West. forever we've had Alvarez did four camps. at our gym wow Canelo did yeah Canelo. did Canelo used to do all can the gym. was actually we were about to close uh I. was about to close the gym down and uh I. was I was here I I was in albaquerque.

making Lone Survivor and the gym was. falling apart and and it was just a it's. a [ __ ] headache to have a boxing gym. it's a real headache and I imagine and I. the all the toilet the pipes had blown. the toilet pipes so had to fly back on a. weekend and with my assistant mop it up. and my assistant was this you know she. was a director's assistant and she's in. there cleaning [ __ ] in a in a boxing gy. with me and at one point she's like I. didn't sign up for this I'm I'm I'm a.

princess and I meant to be she was. delusional and Delirious from cleaning. up [ __ ] with me in a gym and she was. like muttering about how she was a. princess and I'm I'm like okay stop we. cleaned it up and I'm I'm there for one. more day and I'm going to go back to New. Mexico to film and I'm in the gym and. I'm like I got to I got to shut this. down and you know Gary Shandling was a. partner of mine in the gym yeah do you. know Gary loved boxing met him once he. loved boxing I did not know that and I.

called him and I'm like Gary I'm closing. it down it's it's too much of a headache. it's just nothing but a liability all. the time and I'm in the gym by myself. getting my last day there I'm going to. go back to New Mexico and it's clean and. I'm kind of looking at it and i' had it. for like six years and it was fun and. you know I love boxing I'm like I got to. shut it down and in the mirror I see. this like little flash of red in the. mirror and I see someone's come. in and I turn there's a guy standing.

there he's like are you Peter I'm like. yes he goes Freddy roach told me to come. down I'm looking to train for my next. Camp my name's so everes I'm like yeah I. know who you are [ __ ] Canelo in my gy. right red hair he's like very polite. he's like could I could I train could I. do my Camp he was fighting this kidney. Nam Lopez he was getting ready for his. camp for Lopez this is before you know. he'd really taken up but he was emerging. right and I'm like yeah you can train.

here what do you am I'm about to close. the gym down for good and I show him. around he's like I see the gym I'm like. well here's the gym it's not much it's a. ring and our heavy bags our speed bags. here's our SAA he looks right and goes. okay could I could I train here I go. yeah he goes out there's two suburbans. out in the parking lot full of his Camp. Eddie and Chapo's trainers. five Fighters all they're like come on. and they all come running in turn on the. music start feating and he came in and.

started doing his camps there and that. got that got my gym going like once he. came the gym and we've had everyone do. camps there and I've had a front row. seat to boxing and man like one of the. many things that that I I look at is how. hard it is for these guys to let go you. know so you talk about Terry Norris. staying a little bit too long you know. Freddy roach stayed in the ring probably. a few too many fights Ali certainly did.

right yeah and like watching these. guys and and we have a lot of UFC guys. have come in and you know worked on. their their boxing in our gym and seeing. the struggles that they go through to. you know and you hope yeah like yet. there's someone that's going to say okay. enough it's time yeah but. man is it hard to let go of that it's. very hard to let go and I think there's. an also there's a bunch of factors that. play at playing that one of them is.

their identity they their identity is. all wrapped up in them being a fighter. yeah it's it's very hard for people to. let that go also it's the only thing. they've ever dedicated their time to a. lot of these guys don't have like. serious other side jobs or serious other. side uh professions some of them do some. of the really smart ones they kind of. they they break off and they start. little businesses and they do stuff so. that they bu like um Eric Anders guy's. been on the podcast before he's invested.

in real estate he's bought a bunch of. houses so he's good forever wa UFC or. boxing UFC yeah so some guys are smart. like that you know Conor McGregor. obviously did he's very smart I mean. Connor uh started that whiskey company. did the Floyd Mayweather fight he made. $100 million do he starts his whiskey. company he's worth like a half a billion. like he doesn't have to do [ __ ] forever. and he's only fighting if he fights. again because he wants to but most most. of them when it's over they're they're. confused they don't know what to do and. the high of winning a.

fight is like nothing else in all the. sports it's there's no other because you. might lose and if you lose it's going to. be more devastating than anything else. in sports if you lose a basketball game. I'm sure it sucks I'm sure you feel. terrible but you can go home you don't. go to the [ __ ] hospital with your. face battered in and the whole world saw. you get kicked in the face and there's. memes of you getting flatlined and. there's like animation of you getting. knocked into orbit and you have to have. all these trolls and haters talk [ __ ]. about you on Twitter when you got.

knocked out in a world championship. fight in front of the whole world yeah. and if you're if you're on a basketball. team or a football team or any other. sport really at least you know guess. what I'm playing next Tuesday exactly. I'm and I got a contract exactly and I. got a players union exactly and I got a. whole bunch of stuff and I got a league. like like yeah it is a lone wolf sport. [ __ ] it's people that don't play well. with others yeah and it's for people. that also value the camaraderie of other. people that are similar to them and and. like what gets me with boxing which is.

like you know UFC at least there's an. organizing principle uniting it right. like there's the UFC there's Dana right. there's you as part of the face of the. UFC there's owners that have you know. Pro built a system yeah right I think. Frank Lorenzo did a really good job of. giving birth to but like boxing it's. like do you know how many weight classes. are in boxing today can you name them. all there's a lot but I don't think.

that's a bad thing oh come on and how. about the how about how about multiple. promoters and multiple that's an issue. and multiple belts like too many belts. too many promoters so like you've got. you've got. 440 lb Champions that are all promoted. by different guys and then 44 47b. Champions that are and so there's no. continuity of organization to that is. absolutely true um when we get to a.

level like a guy like Terence Crawford. who is the only man to ever be. Undisputed in two weight classes which. is pretty insane that no one else is. there's been M like Manny Pacquiao so. much he's so good man he's such a great. guy too Manny Pacquiao won World titles. in eight different weight classes I mean. that's. insane how many world titles did Manny. Pacquiao win let's let's pull that up. look at his body progression from when.

he started to when he ended he got. something was going on got oh my God. like like wow yeah okay oh my God 12. major world world titles in eight. different weight divisions that is so. insane those accomplishments are so. insane but what were the weight what did. he start like 118 and went up to 147. maybe like something like that yeah I. think his first one was so it's first.

one was flyweight what is that is that. what is it 126 in the UFC it's different. I think it's lighter than I think it's. like what's bantamweights 12 what is. bantamweight well well lightweight is. 135 this is my point and super. featherweight is. 130 super so featherweight must must be. 125 and then Bantam mate must be 120 and.

super yeah there's weird numbers right. like Welter is 147 there's too many. weight clashes here's the here's the. deal the thing about weight cutting. weight cutting is so bad for you it's so. bad but when there's only a few weight. glasses there's massive advantages and. one of the best ways to dis incentivize. weight cutting which is. as bad as anything else in the sport. might be as bad as the the strikes that. you take with some guys like I've seen. guys that look like they're on death's.

door same well they are death's door. they they are on death's door and then. 24 hours later they have a cage fight. which is so nuts and but the problem is. if you're a guy and you know you're 5. foot n and you want to fight in the. welterweight. division can you make 55 cuz if you can. make 55 dude it would be better for you. cuz if you make 55 like those guys will. be your height like you're you're you're. dealing with you mean if you can come. down to if you make 155 then those guys.

will probably be your size because if. you just walk around like 180 PBS you. want to fight at 170 you're dealing with. guys that are 200 plus and then they. suck down to 170 for a very brief amount. of time and then when you get into that. octagon and they're fully hydrated and. you look at them you're like Jesus. they're so much bigger than 170 yeah the. rehydration is crazy so but my point is. if there's multiple weight classes in. between that Gap you wouldn't have to do. that I think there should be at the very.

minimum a weight class every 10 pounds. and I don't think that's outrageous and. that's way less than boxing but you. would start at 125 like there is now and. 135 which already exists 145 already. exists and then you go 55 which already. exists 65 75 85 95. 205 maybe 2 15 or just go right to 225. and then maybe even a. 265 and then Super heavyweight which. doesn't exist which is really wild that.

the heavyweight champion of the UFC has. to make weight like the heavyweight. champion of the UFC has to be 265 pounds. or less why because there's a weight. class but what if there's a super heavy. you oh there's a super heavy weight but. it's never been used has there ever been. a 300 lb fighter in the early days of. the UFC for sure yeah Paul varland I. think was 300 lb one of the really early. ones when he fought. what was um what was Kerr was it Mar oh. jeez he was big he was gigantic Mark. Kerr how good was he oh he's phenomenal.

he was phenomenal he was an elite. wrestler I thought that would be a good. was on all the Juicy Juice I wanted I. looked at doing a film about him for a. minute there is one out a documentary. yeah the smashing machine smash Mach no. but I meant I me a scripted oh I uh. Dwayne Johnson was interested in playing. him for a minute he's he's the one. him the they call him the Smashing is. that the best fight name ever oh so good. I saw him submit a guy with his chin in.

the guy's eye socket oh [ __ ] it was a. early early early UFC he he mounted this. guy this guy Dan Bish and he stuck his. chin in the guy's eye socket and just. [ __ ] drove his chin it was then is it. now I don't know no one's ever done it. before but also no one's on the same. amount of sauce as K was was he was he. looked like a superhero like he didn't. even look like a real person yeah but. super nice guy by the way sweet guy I. think it does not make sense when you.

talk to him his personality that he's. such a murderer I think he had the wrong. woman in his life as I recall that was a. part of it I can't believe that right no. yeah I think he's a paint guy I think he. got hooked on paint pills interesting. it' be an interesting film I well it. would be interesting because I think if. have you seen the smashing machine I. haven't I will that's that's why you. don't know he was addicted to pain pill. I knew that painkillers I knew that yeah. that's what happened so what happened to. him is very related to your your Series.

yeah I'm in to I'm going to look at it. cuz um someone sent it to me Dwayne sent. it to me he was obsessed with them it's. a it's a very interesting story because. at one point in time when they were. following him they were following him. because they thought they were following. this Unstoppable force in Pride which. was the uh rival organization to the UFC. yeah that's him and his Prime dude a. [ __ ] people up look at him down there. that's what he fought the that's me. interviewing him what yeah that's 1997.

oh [ __ ]. yeah um like do you remember that. interview do yeah I do yeah where was. that I'm not sure I only did like a few. of these back then I did from like 97 to. late in 1998 and then it became it. wasn't cost effective I was losing money. and I was like did it was fun wait that. was a UFC was that UFC was UFC yeah I I. was the post fight interviewer for the. UFC from 97 to '98 and then I quit and.

then uh I'm doing news radio and then I. wound up doing Fear Factor and then uh. Dana White contacted me and was getting. me tickets to the fights I was like oh. this amazing the fights are in Vegas now. because my friend Eddie and I we'd. always had this dream cuz we always love. the sport but we like you know it would. be amazing if like these [ __ ]. billionaire dudes just fell in love with. the sport and dumped a bunch of money. into it and that's exactly what happened. it's exactly what happened and uh so. when they said that they had actually. done that I was like oh that's fantastic.

and so I went and I did some press for. them and and then uh I started asking. Dana about fights I was like have you. ever do you know about this guy do you. know about this guy that fights in Japan. do you know about this and that he's. like and he goes you want to do. commentary did he know that you knew so. much about it I don't know I don't know. what he knew you know he knew eventually. once we started talking I was saying I. train Jiu-Jitsu 5 days a week and you. know I'm I'm obsessed with the sport but. look at me with all that hair you look. great oh you still look great Joe thank.

you very much but you look great there. too I should different chapters UFC 15. UFC 15 oh [ __ ] 1997 see that my my. theory being you know a big boxing fan. [Music]. um we need a couple of billionaires to. buy boxing and like it almost happened. with d own I don't know if you follow. like this guy LM bitnik the the um I. didn't follow a Russian oligarch.

basically gave Eddie Hearn a shitload of. money and said roll up boxing and I. always felt like one guy could have. rolled up boxing because it's you know. it's controlled by there's there's um Al. hyon there's Bob Aram and there's now. Doone Eddie Hearn and if somebody boy. huh Golden Boy yeah and Golden Boy is. lurking around and and there some but. it's it's actually an asset that if you. look at you know what it's all worth.

it's it's conceivable that one. billionaire could come in and for I. don't know what the number is couple of. billion buy out everyone roll it up and. create one international boxing League. kind of like what UFC's done it's hard. but if they did it it's almost like. boxing now it's like if there were four. different n NFL football leagues so. there wasn't one super Lombardi trophy. there wasn't one UFC belt how many like. people don't understand that like right.

oh I'm a UFC I'm a a a a wblo 140 pound. champ Champion he's an ibf 140 pound. what right it's to like if one person. could roll it up I've asked Dana several. times to do it to roll it up how much. would it cost I I mean I would think. you're pretty good at guessing missile I. would. say I would say to really roll it up and. by all by allf WBO W all the belts and.

get Eddie to because I put Eddie in. charge of it I think he's the smartest. guy in boxing Eddie Hearn or the face of. boxing at this point Bob arum God love. him he's 90 yeah whatever yeah yeah you. got to get Eddie I don't know what Al. hyon's experience is what what he really. um de la HOA I don't Eddie hearn's like. to me the guy I like him knows a lot. about boxing you you take Eddie and um. Dana partner them up have already broker. the whole deal right and.

probably 1.2 billion buys the whole. thing and you then create a a league. okay here's what I picked it's a good. idea okay and then how about this you. get what's the biggest fight you could. make in uh UFC right now the biggest. fight or a huge fight uh the biggest. well Francis and ganu just left that. would be the biggest fight if you could. get Francis and ganu versus Jon Jones.

Jon Jones agano right so you take I. think that would be the biggest fight's. best what's your best venue is it Vegas. does it matter Mass Vegas is kind of. like mass and square you can't go wrong. with Vegas or mass square G okay so. let's go let's go to mass and Square. Garden just cuz I'm from New York right. okay so you have that fight and let's. think about the biggest fight in boxing. right now is it. uh I don't know Terence Crawford's. talking about fighting Canelo Crawford. Canelo that would be the biggest fight. 10 what 40 150 no no 150 no he's going.

to go up to. 68 okay I was talking to him about I'm. like you're going to go up to 68 that's. crazy I I have that let's say that could. happen I it's hard for me to imagine. that happening right from. 147 what did he just fight at 147 mhm. okay what said Canelo he's like he's. kind of my height yeah okay and he's. like he goes just give me time yeah he. goes just give me time to put on some. weight he goes I wouldn't do it. immediately he goes but I like six.

months to really put I don't know man I. mean look Canelo is a monster he's a. monster and his his power be the fact. guy knocked out kovalev at 175 power is. Unstoppable but so let's say that fight. happens you've got Canelo Crawford at. whatever weight and you've got um. Jones in ganu G right so you fill up the. garden I don't know who F goes first oh. my God you have both fights in one night. okay the Ring The Ring is an octagon you.

have the UFC fight you're there whole. thing fight ends the premier fight the. ring lifts up the Octagon lifts up flips. over drops a boxing ring down yes drops. a boxing ring down and in one night one. League Dana owns all of it I pitch him. in Mexico L drunk [ __ ] drunk I'm like. you don't understand and he's kind of. going for it but but why not Combat.

Sports roll them up and like clean it up. yeah because boxing is [ __ ] up well. maybe the Saudis I mean who has more. money than them nobody and they're also. doing a lot of boxing events now like. Tyson Fury versus Francis andano isn't. that in Saudi Arabia yes yeah so they've. had some major fights in Saudi Arabia. and they have a lot of money they could. do that so if some maybe someone's. listening right now and they'll they'll. go you know what hey I like it let.

broker a deal have you seen the line in. Saudi Arabia do you know what that is. yes so I was just pull it up J it's. insane I was just in Europe and uh I had. lunch with this guy Saudi guy who's he's. like I'm like what do you do he's like. well I'm in charge of all the insurance. for the line and I'm like so let's. explain the line I'm like and then he. started telling me like this you think. like we think we know what money is this. is where the money. is so what this is is some Mega City.

that's many miles long that they're. building that's all completely. integrated right yeah it's in the mle. one building it's like a no roads look. at this read that no roads cars or. emissions it will run on 100% renewable. energy and 95% of the land will be. preserved for nature people health and. well-being will be prioritized over. transportation and infrastructure unlike. traditional cities that might be amazing. to visit but [ __ ].

that n million people it's in the middle. they're building this thing and it's. like I don't know look how cool it looks. pictures scroll down Jamie like those. photos like look at that but you can see. actual constru they're building it now. like I saw there's a whole city you know. couple of thousand workers living out. there in these little uh air conditioned. cubicles this guy was showing me this. sort of brings us it's amazing that's. insane that's so Star Wars they're. building that that is so insane.

looking a revolution in Civilization 9. million it might be dope to get a. [ __ ] spot there to visit well it's. like like Dubai right like when Dubai. remember when they were building the the. look at that palm tree islands and. everyone thought it was crazy what it. looks like inside that's insane. autonomous Services look you got drones. that are [ __ ] delivering you food. bro that might be sick look how high it. is it's higher than the Empire State. Building 200 miles wide we it's. happening oh my God mirror glass facade.

I want to see the Black Mirror episode. this literally is science fiction. science fiction turned reality Saudi. Arabia is going off but it's what we. were talking about before if you have. endless money like with the nuclear. submarines and you know the battleships. if you have endless money you can get a. lot of cool [ __ ] done yeah but what's. disturbing to you and I think to I as as. people that you like to think about. everybody like what is this where's this.

money coming from taxes why aren't we. putting an enormous amount into new. schools why aren't we putting an. enormous amount into cleaning up. communities and stopping crime why. aren't we putting an enormous amount. into healthcare because the companies. that make the weapon systems are not. going to let it happen it's just this. this ecosystem of money I think it was. Truman it was either Truman or Roosevelt. who said be careful because we're going. to have an economy that is forever.

interconnected to our military was. Eisenhower and his is departing speech. Eisenhower right we have a we have an. economy that is now linked to the. industrial military industrial complex. so you can't separate them you can't. turn it off right but I'm not even. saying turn it off turn it down I'm. saying if you have enough money to send. how many billion dollars to Ukraine. where was was that money when we needed. infrastructure in cities where was that. money when we needed better education. and where was it where was it was it. crazy that we prioritize certain things.

to the tune of just insane amounts of. money that no one's asking this question. okay this is not even a commentary on. what whether or not we should be funding. Ukraine I'm just saying if you can do. that why haven't you looked at the State. of Emergency that exists in of the. cities in America [ __ ] yes where but. it's outrageous and it like I it should. be a a statement it should be on the. front of everybody's lips it and like.

like if you can. put 20 nuclear missiles with Warheads. guidance systems propulsion systems on a. billion dollar summering 20 missiles. yeah and put them on however many Subs. one of which being detonated means we're. done anyway why can't we take two or. three of those [ __ ] missiles and do. something bu the thing according to. what's going on in Ukraine because we we. don't have to cuz they're doing both. they're doing both they're funding.

Ukraine and they're building these. weapon systems I don't think it has to. be an either or or you even have to like. have less of them but it's just like. where did you guys get all this money. and why didn't you use it for stuff that. we need that's crazy I mean I understand. that it's all com inflation I understand. I understand it's C with the problems. that it causes spending all this money. and just printing all this money I get. it but I'm saying like maybe there would. be an overall net benefit for the. country and for all the human beings. involved how many less people would we.

have that were addicted to opiates or. they had a better situation in their. life and how much of that could be fixed. if we invested money in it how many. lives could we save how many people's. lives could we enhance how many. trajectories of their life could we. completely change for the better forever. I bet a fuckload I bet a fuckload. and if they just invested in people the. way invest in other [ __ ] but I thought. about that like like if you could. actually see what it was like when we.

when we started like the the literal if. you get into the oued on how we armed. Ukraine right so you've got a bunch of. 20-year-old Ukrainian whatever kids. college students electricians plumbers. whatever they were doing the trucks pull. up and the equipment that gets presented. to them night vision goggles drones. drone technology you know Kevlar. bodysuits the weapon systems and the. clothes and the value of that and you. think about we're just we're giving it.

and okay I understand why we're giving. it but think about th those trucks. rolling up and the amount of money being. handed through equipment to Young. Ukrainian. men what comparable value or asset were. given to Young American men. of the same age it's just doesn't happen. but we can do it we can fly all the way. over there and deliver it I mean the the. the amount of money we're putting into.

the hands of all these young Soldier SL. men from Ukraine compared to what that. money could do in our cities it's worth. I think talking about it is worth. talking about it's it's not some radical. socialist idea that we should fix cities. it's in everybody's best interest also. just as the for the human race it's in. everyone's best interest the world would. be better off if there was less people. who were losing and what's the best way.

to stop that give them a start a better. start to their life so what's the best. way to do that you have to improve upon. Community somehow I'm not an expert in. this but I recognized like that's a. giant issue I don't know what you would. do but I would imagine there's got to be. some strategies to improve things well. schools are good yeah like schools Parks. um community centers counseling places. where people can have healthy food and. be safe and teachers and teach them. things you know have them have places. where you know people could teach them.

you know whatever it is things outside. of the how to play music um martial arts. teach you know the more people can learn. they have opportunities to do things the. better off everyone's going to be the. more safe they feel the better off. everyone's going to be the more human. beings that have a better shot at having. an enjoyable life the better better off. we'll all be go Joe but the fact that we. don't think about it that way we just. everybody just goes about their business. and thinks about themselves but then. complains about all these problems that. are happening in our in our cities while.

you're got a Ukraine flag in your. [ __ ] Twitter bio that you know it's. wild it's wild God it's weird I. mean yeah and and like I just go back to. the time in Pearl Harbor when I was. getting toured around that sub and I'm. just trying to count how I'm trying do. the math in my head yeah how much does. it yes it's beautiful are you going to. do a piece on this are you going to do. yeah so I want to do uh I want to and so.

then it starts getting like you go down. the rabbit hole of it and you look up. the 10 biggest uh you know arms. companies uh weapons manufacturers and. you start looking up the CEO pay. packages and like you start getting a. sense of how like it gets pretty dark. pretty fast yeah up like you know just. Satan's. real I mean it's well I mean it all this. whole conversation started I'm like well. okay I learned this about big Pharma.

because okay you know I I've heard you. know conspiracy theories on big Pharma. and be be careful but I until I really. went deep with Purdue I never really. like I I understood it intellectually. but I never viscerally felt it like oh. [ __ ] this is real this isn't some like. left-wing conspiracy theory that there's. greedy people out there manipulating the. FDA no this is actually [ __ ] real and. they got away with it and they got away. with it and I'm not I'm not like saying. that like I like every I have I support.

the [ __ ] out of our our troops and I. have and I I do like my father was a. marine the time I've spent working in. that space 100% yes. support however when I see all the other. people that are making money. off of the backs of like at the end of. the day what I observed when I went to. Iraq was not big technology out there. and the you know saving the day these.

were 25y old men like kicking indoors. fighting a war that nobody cared about. back home anyway because it was over. there so when I see like all this money. and all this Tech being thrown into. systems that like I don't know are we. ever going to really use this [ __ ]. because if we. do it's game over anyway I see all these. people making so much money I'm like. this is this feels like we're in the.

same Waters that we were swimming in. when we were dealing with Purdue. Pharma yeah so yeah I would like to do. something in the space well listen uh. painkiller is [ __ ] fantastic it's. really good like everything you do. you've done so many [ __ ] great movies. man Lone Survivor is incredible you know. you're the [ __ ] so appreciate you very. much thank you for being here and Ladies. and Gentlemen please watch it it's on. Netflix it's [ __ ] great [ __ ] that. thank you all right bye.

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