Joe Rogan Experience #2025 - Dave Smith

[Music]. by night. [Music]. what's up brother good to see you my. friend good to be back crackalackin well. just having fun dude great time at. Mothership last night it was a good time. yeah that place is always a good time. yeah I can't wait to go back tonight. magical portal fun great [ __ ] crowds. too the crowds were amazing yeah just.

incredible every time I've been there. and I've been there a decent amount now. always great crowds yeah it's a fun. place build it and they will come yeah. well you sure did yeah. yeah yeah. so uh we were uh on our way over here. and I texted you that pagosian thing. wild but not unexpected well yeah is he. definitely dead I don't think it's. definitely I think this is what people. are reporting I mean the plane just went.

down I I wouldn't say definitely yet. um but I think a lot of us did expect. after he kind of flirted with a mutiny. against Vladimir Putin and then they. kind of came to an agreement and he. leaves you're like I don't think that. guy is very long to live yeah Vladimir. Putin doesn't seem to me to be the type. of guy you can try to overthrow and then. go my bad I think we're cool what do you. think that was all about. um I don't know I really don't know.

um they at first they were spinning it. like he was pissed off about the war but. and that never really seemed to make. sense to me I don't think some type of. power struggle and um he kind of went. for it in a pretty Major Way started. like destroying equipment and moving his. forces toward Moscow and then they. reached some agreement and they backed. off. um. and now a plane went down so we'll see. we'll see yeah if I was him I wouldn't. be going anywhere by plane. yeah yeah you would think right you.

should take a bus bro yeah yeah you. should I have you should take a tank. anywhere you go you should be inside a. safe riding on a bus yeah what was crazy. is when it first uh went down so many. people in like the corporate press were. like this is it for Putin he's done. Russia's collapsing because they're. doing so bad in the war and all of those. narratives seem to be completely. disproven well what's scary is what. happens if Ukraine runs out of troops.

that's what's terrifying is like how. many more soldiers do they have left how. many more people can they force to fight. that war like what is the truth in terms. of what are their losses because. what you hear from people that are the. True Believers in the leftist movement. is that Ukraine is winning and that. Russia is doomed we must support Ukraine. and then what you hear from realists. particularly people that have been on. the ground like it's a Slaughter Fest.

it's horrific and the ratio of Ukrainian. dead to Russian dead is extremely. imbalanced right that's what I'm in. Russia's favor that Russia's Russia's. killing a lot more than they're getting. killed it's hard to know exactly it's. always hard like in the fog of War to. know exactly how many people are dying. it's usually not till after the fact and. they do the like excess mortality. numbers and then you kind of figure out. like how many people actually died here. but it does seem uh I think there's no.

question that Ukraine is doing better. than would have been expected like say. in the year 2010 if you had said okay. Russia is going to invade Ukraine most. people thought they would have folded in. a couple weeks and it would have been. over Ukraine has at least put up a fight. to this point and I think that that is. because of the fact that number one NATO. was training the Ukrainian military for. years ever since 2014 ever since uh.

Yanukovych government was overthrown and. number two that we've poured an. unlimited amount of resources into the. war effort but then and that kind of. leads to the question of like wait so. but if Russia still wins at the end of. this which it looks like they're going. to short of like U.S intervention direct. intervention. then what did we accomplish here other. than just getting way more people. slaughtered and drawing The War Out way. longer to kind of sacrifice Ukraine in.

an effort to hurt Russia and and it's. crazy that the same people who support. this war supported claiming that they. really care about the ukrainians because. if you really cared about them why would. your move be to prolong the conflict and. let more of them die it seems so. horrible it's very strange when the left. is pro-war very very strange and it's. almost like this um. this shifting of the poles that sort of. seems to have happened politically where.

it doesn't matter what the actual facts. of what you're supporting are as long as. what you're supporting is endorsed by. the ideology right and that ideology is. this leftist ideology is that you know. we have to have a Ukraine flag in your. Twitter bio we have to support you and. regardless of and you're not even. looking at the like objective data to. try to figure out what happened here how. did this get started I've never heard. anyone other than you and a few other.

people online even discussed the 2014. coup yeah no it's um it's interesting. because these these the narratives kind. of change and one of the things that's. interesting about the the maidon. revolution. um is that and like I've played the last. couple times we've been here we've. played clips of like what people were. saying at the time and at the time there. were several people who were basically. admitting what's going on and they're. like yeah we're stealing Ukraine away. from Russia hahaha Gideon Rose laughing. with Stephen Colbert there's a senator.

Chris Murphy he was one of the guys who. was very involved in it and he like he. went to Ukraine several times during the. the when the Revolution was first. starting and um but he was kind of the. young guy like it was him and John. McCain and Victoria Newland and then. Chris Murphy was kind of this younger. Senator and he just said the quiet part. out loud on a C-SPAN interview back then. where he just went he goes oh yeah it. was American policy that uh overthrew. Yanukovych it was that was our policy. that led to him without us he wouldn't. have been overthrown and so like but now.

like they would admit it then but now. when you talk about it they're like oh. no no that's not helpful to the. narrative so don't mention that we were. involved in overthrowing a government. that was more pro-russian and putting in. a government that was more pro-west. because that that complicates this thing. it's it reminds me of like there were. these uh there were these pieces in the. 90s. where there was like mainstream media. Outlets covering uh the dynamic of uh. Al-Qaeda and terrorism in in the Middle. East and they would just like bluntly.

just say like oh they they hate us. because of our military presence in the. Middle East that's his grievance with us. just like you know that's the news. that's why Bin Laden hates us no one had. no one was going they hate us because. we're free because that just hadn't been. said yet you know. um and that wasn't until after 9 11 but. then after 9 11 it was they hate us for. our freedom and now if you were to make. the point that they hate us for uh our. foreign policy in it's like well where. did you get that from that's insane it's. like but you all admitted that just only.

a few years ago you were openly talking. about it and so it's kind of like that. that narrative doesn't help serve the. war party so now that has to be kind of. like. in the Dustbin of history that that. never happened the conflict started in. 2022 When Vladimir Putin invaded he was. totally unprovoked there was no other. reason it's just that he's a Madman he's. bad guy we're good guy that's the. conflict that's like how that's the. tunnel vision you're always supposed to. think of War throw and that's rarely if. ever the case it's it's always more.

complicated than that and then as soon. as you start saying things believe me. from the last two uh podcasts here I've. heard a lot of people oh you're spewing. Russian propaganda you're pro-putin. because as soon as you start going well. look. this guy had some legitimate grievances. we did a lot to provoke him and that all. of a sudden means you're like on their. side yeah because you're no longer we're. good guys he's bad guys I'm like no. actually there's a lot of bad guys. involved in this conflict yeah you were. detailing last night it was really.

interesting with uh Assan you and I were. sitting in the green room and you were. detailing. the the coup and then the connection. between the bidens like how this all. happened with Hunter right well so there. the company barisma who hired uh Hunter. Biden so Joe Biden at the time when he. was the vice president under Barack. Obama he was the point man on Ukraine. that was like one of his big tasks that. he was given by Obama and uh like.

Victoria Newland uh was talking about. how Joe Biden would get on the phone to. give an attaboy to the the protesters. who ultimately overthrew Yanukovych he. was very intimately involved and this. company barisma because Ukraine is a. very corrupt country they've always been. still are that this company was like. very in bed with the Yanukovych. government and then janakovich's. government's overthrown and there's a. new government that comes in and so they. were kind of freaking out like oh [ __ ]. we don't have the government that we're. in bed with anymore and so this was.

their move to kind of instead of bribing. the new Ukrainian government they just. went right to the source and bribed you. know decide oh here we'll put the vice. president's son on our board pay him. give him a huge check and then that kind. of like protects us against. the threat perhaps of this new. government cracking down on us because. they're not going to want to piss off. who the real puppet master is which is. DC like as always because like we're. we're the world Empire you know and.

that's the thing that's so crazy about. the the war in Ukraine is hearing all of. these people in like the corporate press. and the political class talk about how. Vladimir Putin's an imperialist and he's. a war criminal and you're like how are. you you're just the biggest hypocrite in. the history of the universe to be. someone who supports the American regime. and say Vladimir Putin how dare you. invade a sovereign country how dare you. violate international law you're killing. innocent people you know I mean to. anyone outside of like the American. bubble that's it's just so absurd on its.

face that years you know we just got. done backing the Saudis in a war of. genocide in Yemen for eight years now. we're going to turn around and all. they're all humanitarians now for the. poor people of Ukraine it's just that. it's like it doesn't pass the basic. smell test no and it's also ignore. lowering the money. the the money is the scariest thing that. and then this is something that Trump. was like really the first sitting. president to discuss and we talked about. that Steve Hilton interview where he.

said there is a military industrial. complex and these guys want to go to war. and to have a sitting president say that. out loud like you know hey what am I. going to do he's just like kind of. putting it out there but we was it was. yeah it was amazing but was crazy about. it too was he was almost saying it like. the way I'd say it on your podcast like. just someone bitching about it who has. no real power over it you know he's like. yeah I don't want to go to war but all. these guys love warps nope war and. you're like but you're the. commander-in-chief dude like you're. supposed to be able to say no is it that.

you can't say no to everything and you. have to kind of navigate that feel like. how does that work I think so my my read. on it is that I think they uh they kind. of boxed Donald Trump in. um with what he would politically be. able to do and I think that's a lot of. what the Russia collusion nonsense was. all all about. um because like you he was running on. let's make a deal with Vladimir Putin. let's be friends with Russia but once. the media is saying oh you're a Russian. spy right well now you can't really make.

a deal with Vladimir Putin because then. look proof he was a Russian spot so they. kind of boxed him in I think they. manipulated him and um they they lied to. him about a lot of the stuff I mean. there was uh there were articles written. about how they had misled him about the. number of troops still remaining in. Syria uh when he tried to he wanted to. end that war several different times. um I I think that they they it seemed. like they really uh convinced him that. Assad had been gassing his own people.

and that convinced Trump to to bomb. Syria a couple times. um I don't know exactly what the. conversations were like I do know that. if he really wanted to be the guy who. was ending all of the wars and he wanted. to be the guy who wasn't giving into the. military industrial complex it makes no. sense for him to have people like. Lindsey Graham in his ER it made no. sense for him to make Mike Pompeo as. Secretary of State it made no sense to. have these guys like um Mattis and oh. like he put it he put the war party into.

all of these positions and then he's. like wait man they're undermining me at. every turn and you're like well yeah. that's you should have put better people. in. before you get into office and this is. like I've we were talking about this. last night that like if you could sit. down with Trump what would be one of the. first things you would ask him what I. would ask is like first of all what did. you think it was going to be like and. what was it like when you get into. office.

how much research do you need to do on. each individual to find out where their. ties are and like how do you know who to. put in what position yeah yeah no that's. a really interesting question and like. at what point do you realize you know. like at what point did Trump figure out. like oh okay right these guys are kind. of working against me yeah like my own. deep state is kind of my my own. intelligence agencies who are supposed. to work for me are actually working to.

undermine me which they clearly are and. many have admitted at this point that. they were. um that I'd be really interested to hear. what he has to say well there's there's. no better evidence than the was it 51. intelligence officials that signed off. on the fact that the hunter Biden laptop. was disinformation yes I believe. including four uh former heads of the. CIA and there's really it's really. something because there's no like demand. for accountability for those people like. hey explain yourself you know like how.

did you sign off on this blatant. election interference you know. um and that. it's one of these things like this is. why when the Trump supporters who say. that they stole the election believe. that the the election machines were. rigged or that there was ballot stuffing. it's like even if they're not right. about that which I don't know I mean. I've never seen I've never seen. compelling evidence that that is the. case but it's kind of like I use the. example of like if if you're like uh if.

you're cheating on your wife and then. she's like uh you know like you're. cheating on her and then she's like I. know Friday when you were out I know you. were cheating on me and you weren't that. Friday cheating on her like even though. she's wrong she's really right like she. might be wrong about that specific day. but she knows she knows you're like like. they know this whole thing is. illegitimate you're like you stole it. right and and they really did. um they they really did I mean they. suppressed the October bombshell that. would have very likely tipped the.

election in Trump's favor yeah and tried. to make it seem again that Russia was. you know stealing our elections which. another you know is another major factor. in the whole Russia Ukraine conflict. that first of all what a what an insane. provocation of Russia it was for the. last six years to have not just people. in the corporate press but like the head. the former head of the CIA you know like. on TV all every day saying Russia. attacked our democracy they they.

interfered in our election and were and. then also claiming that they were in a. partnership with Donald Trump to steal. it from uh Hillary Clinton and I heard. uh uh senators and congressmen and every. media pundit people from the FBI the CIA. constantly saying on TV that this was an. act of War by Russia that Russia they. would say it's worse than Pearl Harbor. what they did and so if you're from the. Russian perspective you're sitting there. and you see the most war-hungry country.

in the world the country that in the. last 20 years has fought seven wars. you know led to the deaths of hundreds. of thousands of people destroyed Nations. and they're out there saying you just. committed an act of war against us I. mean like that's that's quite an. aggressive posture particularly when. they all knew it was [ __ ] they all. knew from the very beginning and so you. had all of that and then they tried to. do it again in 2020 claimed this was a. Russian operation to to you know.

interfere in the election and meanwhile. all of it was actually a U.S. intelligence agency's operation to. interfere in the election just from the. other side. crazy it's so crazy that this isn't not. a mainstream narrative and that the news. ignores this they also ignore. during the debates when Joe Biden was. saying that you know my son didn't make. any money over there and I have nothing. to do with my son's business like it's.

all lies it's all easily proven and. there's nothing yeah and of course if. Trump you know like the moderator. doesn't push back during that debate and. say um excuse me Mr Biden that's just. not true right like we know there's no. pushback on that they just let him get. away with it and he gets to stand up. there and say hey look all of these. intelligence officials they tell they're. backing up my story that this laptop is. Russian disinformation and I'll I don't.

know exactly what it is now but I. remember there were um they had like. opinion polls on this after the Mueller. investigation and it's still an. enormously high percentage of democratic. voters believe that Trump and Russia. were in uh Trump and Putin were involved. in a conspiracy to steal the election. they still believe it to this day. because they heard Trump Russia. collusion every day non-stop and that is. a huge part of why they support this war. in Ukraine because they think we're. fighting the country who overthrew our. democracy and gave us Donald Trump for.

four years it's all just complete. [ __ ] but they believe it. crazy how prevalent it is because people. are just headline readers yeah and the. mainstream news is completely captured. yeah and you know to some degree I don't. I'm sympathetic to people who get you. know propagandized by this stuff because. we do in general in life we Outsource. the overwhelming majority of knowledge. to other people you know like we might. like hot water heater broke down and I.

just hire a guy to replace it I don't. know anything about hot water heaters. but I just trust I don't know you know I. don't know so I'll just you do it and. let me know you know we do this all the. time with everything right and so most. people have busy lives they're working. they got kids to take care of they got a. family if the guy in the suit on CNN. says it well I'm kind of trusting him to. be the expert here and he knows the. problem is that like the guy who fixed. my water heater I don't believe is a. corrupt lying piece of [ __ ].

but the people on CNN are and that's the. major problem here it's like you just. you can't trust them and the culture in. that building in that CNN building is. all in support of that narrative yeah. and you can't really buck that. especially if you're a career person you. want to stay on the air you want to keep. things going just look what they did to. Tucker Carlson who was the number one. guy on television and whatever feathers. he ruffled whatever people he pissed off. I don't believe he's openly discussed it.

yet because he's probably got some sort. of a lawsuit going on. they removed him because he was a. problem the way he was discussing things. was a problem well it's very interesting. um that if you you know we've talked. about this before when we've played. clips about CNN talking about you and. stuff and like if you listen to like CNN. the way they talk about you or the way. they talk about Tucker Carlson not that. you guys are in different worlds but the. way they talk about YouTube is like. you're these very controversial figures.

who say all of these things that are not. approved of in these like very con very. polarizing figures but then you're like. no they're he's the number one guy in. cable news and you're the number one guy. in podcasting like you guys how are you. guys viewed as controversial but like. CNN is talking to an audience of like. 200 000 people and letting you know you. know people are very skeptical of these. guys I'm like no they're not they. they're these are the these are the most. popular figures and it's because people.

can at least smell that you're not. bullshitting them the way these guys are. right and that was that was always one. of the things that I really appreciated. about Tucker was that he would break. with the Republican party and have a. completely different view from them he. would break with everyone else on the. network which was it's like that's so. unheard of today in MSNBC if you look. down the whole lineup at CNN if you look. down the whole lineup you cannot point. to one host who has a drastically. different opinion on an issue that. matters than the hour before them and.

the hour before them right but if you. look at like you know the daytime at Fox. News where they were on the war in. Ukraine versus where Tucker was or where. they were on lockdowns versus where. Tucker was is night and day difference. yeah and so of course they removed the. one interesting guy well he was kind of. doing podcasting on TV he had gotten to. the point where his show was so huge. that he could kind of get away with it. and he incrementally kept ramping it up. to he's like the CIA killed Kennedy. Jesus yeah he started he started really.

going for it he was going that was great. he only to hear that well the beautiful. thing is now he's just going forward on. Twitter and you know elon's like okay go. ahead and you can see it in him that. even even though he was going for it on. Fox you can see the freedom he has like. on Twitter where he's like okay I'm not. pulling any punches now yeah and I love. that it's beautiful well it's important. it really is because and people need to. wake the [ __ ] up well look even like. with this this Trump thing man it's like.

it's like I was saying how so many. people still believe the Russia. collusion story which was all made up. man and you can go like you can go. follow this whole thing it was all made. up and they knew it they knew what they. were doing there's that clip by the way. before any of this this before Donald. Trump ever took office do you ever see. uh the Chuck Schumer six ways to Sunday. you were telling me about it last night. you were saying we should watch it we. should we should play this because and. let me just let me just preface it. briefly to kind of set up what's so.

amazing about it there are these. occasional moments where even like I. said the thing with Chris Murphy just. happens to blurt out like oh yeah we our. policies overthreat yeah that's right. like there are these moments where kind. of like these rare moments of honesty. from the kind of leaders of the regime. yeah and the this one comes because. Rachel Maddow asks him like an impromptu. thing and she says that she leads that. so but this is just and just so you know. this is Donald Trump has been elected. but he hasn't uh he hasn't been um he's.

a president-elect here so it's after the. election but he's not president yet so. this was about him tweeting uh something. here but he's he's taking these shot. this antagonism is taunting to the. intelligence Community you take on the. intelligence Community they have six. ways from Sunday at getting back at you. so even for a practical supposedly. hard-nosed businessman he's being really. dumb to do this what do you think the. intelligence Community would do if they. were I don't know but I from what I am. told they are very upset with how he has.

treated them and talked about them. so and what happened right before that. is that Rachel Maddow goes um she goes. all right I'm sorry to put you on the. spot here but Donald Trump just tweeted. this thing about the intelligence. Community any thoughts on that so it's. not like he was prepared for this right. his the most powerful senator in America. his initial gut reaction was like well. dude you're taking on the intelligent I. mean you want to go up against the CIA. you think you're going to win that fight. yeah like they're going to get you and. this was already after they had already.

been uh they were spying on his campaign. they had already kind of begun framing. him for this whole this whole Russia. thing which was always nonsense and that. started with um uh you know the Steele. dossier and all that stuff and then they. were spying on Carter page who was like. a pretty low level advisor in Donald. Trump's campaign and the allegation was. that the Russians had offered him a huge. stake in like one of their biggest. energy companies if he could uh get.

Donald Trump to remove all of this. sanctions that we had at the time on. Russia which on on the face of it made. no sense because he's like a low-level. advisor on the campaign now he's not. even in the administration was this. based on intercepted emails no this was. based off the Steele dossier which was. uh opposition research that Hillary. Clinton had funded uh where she hired. this British spy to go like dig up dirt. on Donald Trump and they put together.

this whole dossier alleging that he was. um you know he had been in bed with. Russia for years he was compromised it. was the that the prostitutes were peeing. on him and all this like crazy [ __ ] and. they all knew it was unverified they all. knew it was like the and all of it. almost all of it was ended up being. disproven. um but so when they went to Carter pit. but just to understand like the idea of. trying to bribe a low-level advisor on a. campaign to then somehow take over the.

administration once he got it's it'd be. like on the level of if someone was like. um we are going to bribe the door guy at. the mothership to make sure that the Joe. Rogan Experience only talks about these. subjects and you're like I mean even. though there's a loose connection. between you and the guy who works at the. mothers the idea that he would ever then. be able to come in and take over the. show and control it just made no sense. but we now know. but the CIA. told the FBI that Carter page was a good.

guy that he was a he was a CIA um. informant uh then they they so they told. the FBI they're like no no he's not a. spy he's one of ours so just layoff and. then the FBI uh lied about that on the. fisa application this was the only guy. who went down for the frame job was this. one FBI uh lawyer for misrepresenting. the what the CIA said so basically he. the C they said that he was um.

approached by Russians and uh that he. was approached by a group of Russians to. see if he would turn and work for them. and the CIA uh were like yes he was. and he came right back to us and told us. about it. and then when they were putting in the. application for the fisa warrant the FBI. said he was approached by these Russians. and the CIA confirmed it. so they they said that the CIA confirmed. that he was approached by these guys but. they left out the part that the CIA said. and he came right back to us and told us.

about it so that one guy was the only. guy who got charged did he get because. it was so no jail time but he did get. charged card to page no no the FBI agent. who uh FBI lawyer who lied on the. application oh Carter page they had. three fisa court warrants on them they. spied on them all up and down never been. charged with anything because he wasn't. a spy right and there's look that Donald. Trump even now with all these charges. right he's never been charged with um. treason he's never been charged with. inciting uh an Insurrection because they.

know they can't get him on those charges. so what they're getting them on is all. these like novel legal theories well. it's not very clear that he violated the. statute but if we interpret it this way. we could make the argument for the first. time ever that this was actually a. violation of law it's all like they're. grasping at straws and it's very clearly. like they've weaponized is the legal. system against this guy it's not a. coincidence that all of these. indictments are coming down right now. like why why was the January 6th thing.

why would any of this be coming down. right now right all those other people. in January 6 they got charged and. arrested immediately we were talking. about that vivec interview which is very. interesting where this woman on CNN that. same woman that did the town hall thing. with Trump what's her name Caitlyn yeah. I don't know I know he was talking about. um she was trying to get him to uh. discuss.

certain things in a way that would look. Preposterous and she was talking about 9. 11. and like you said the government. lied to us about 9 11 like what like do. you would you think the government was. involved in 911 he's like no what I said. was that the government lied to us about. 9 11 because the Saudis were involved. and they knew they were involved. and she kind of glossed over that and. was saying something until in the lines. of don't you think that you saying that.

the government lied to us about 9 11. supports baseless conspiracy theories. you know like supports the idea that the. government orchestrated like that's the. when you want to put on the full tinfoil. hat with the [ __ ] chin strap you say. the government organized and designed. 911 there was bombs in the building they. knew it was all happening they detonated. Tower seven like oh you got to go full. hat and so she's trying to bring him.

into full conspiracy tinfoil hat and. he's going no that's not what I said and. he said something that's factual and she. just sort of like pretended it didn't. get said and kept I mean that's a real. [ __ ] issue they lied about whether or. not Saudi Arabia was involved it's one. of the biggest scam Handles in the. history of the United States of America. is like the biggest terrorist attack on. our soil and the government lied about.

what had happened and who was involved. with that and and by the way continued. propping up that regime to this day. continued like funding and doing. business with the same government that. had high-level people involved in the. attack and they knew it and suppressed. that from the American people because it. would have been you know if you put. yourself back in that time it would have. been such an outrage if the if Americans. had known and in fact one of the first. things uh George W bush did immediately.

after 9 11 even when all the flights. were grounded was get uh high-level. Saudis out of the country let's fly them. out of the country and this is all. factual like this this happened it's not. disputed including members of Bin. Laden's family yeah yeah the whole thing. is so wild. and it doesn't get discussed they keep. going back to the company narrative what. what's the ideological left narrative. though the left narrative is anybody who. questions 911 is a Nutter and you're a. Nutter and you're trying to run for. president and he does a very good job of.

she repeats the question he repeats the. answer she repeats the question he. repeats the answer. and she's trying to catch him in this. and it's like see if you can find that I. did that so I I'm looking it up and what. I'm seeing online is that there's the. story has turned a little bit that the. Atlantic has posted audio from the. interview ah he was asking for that. audio yes they released it and it says. the Atlantic did not put any words in.

his mouth I'm trying to find the audio. so he could play it but it's behind the. page so he was saying that they put. words in his mouth yeah so but then what. I'm also seeing then in The Daily Beast. article is that. uh despite them releasing the audio it. says Rama Swami's campaign somehow. declared victory. so they're saying he's I guess they're. saying he's set up but his team is also. saying it's still been taken out of. content but what are they claiming that. he said I don't I'm trying to find his. transcript and I haven't gotten that far. uh it's behind a paywall again so but.

let's let's listen to his interview on. CNN uh. uh because the things that it's. interesting like but. we'll we'll figure this out. there it's just. why is it not giving you any volume well. it's not the interview yet it's not it's. just her talking oh oh I see. I actually and this is just lifting the. curtain and how media works again I. asked that reporter to send the. recording because it was on the record. he refused to do it but we had a.

free-flowing conversation. after our interview the Atlantic. released the audio more than four. minutes of it actually and here is the. part with that quote that was in. question. what is the truth about January we can. handle it whatever it is we can handle. it but what agents how many government. agents were in the field. right you mean like entrapment yeah. absolutely why can the government not be. transparent about something that we're.

using. terrorists or the kind of tax abused by. terrorists if we find that there are. hundreds of Our Own in the ranks of the. day that they were. that they were I mean. look there's a difference between. entrapment and the difference between a. law enforcement agent identified I think. it is legitimate to say how many. police how many federal agents were on. the planes that hit the Twin Towers like. I think we wanted maybe the answer is. zero probably a zero for all I know. right I have no reason to think it was. anything other than zero but if we're. doing a comprehensive assessment of what.

happened on 9 11. we have a 911. Commission. absolutely that should be an answer the. public knows the answer to. okay they've evicted nothing wrong. there's nothing there's literally. nothing wrong with what he said there. but that's like we're doing this in. comparison to January 6th so we do want. to know how many federal agents were. involved in January 6 and imagine if. there was actually federal agents that. were involved on the planes in 9 11. he. didn't say there were no he specifically. said zero I'm sure it was Zero I'm sure. we'd want to know right but we'd want to.

know and he's saying if you're claiming. this was an act of terrorism just like. that was an act of terrorism then okay. let's have a commission let's have a. report let's know how many federal. agents there were and so far I mean by. the way it's crazy does she keep going. can I hear what her take on that is. please play the rest of it okay. I want to hear what she has to say about. this. herself he was in fact quoted accurately. in an email to CNN after that audio was.

published his spokesperson said the. audio clearly demonstrates that Vivek. was taken badly out of context and even. this small snippet proves that we. continue to encourage the Atlantic to. release more of the recording rather. than their carefully selected snippet so. that the full context and reality is. exposed I should note that spokesperson. did not explain how he was supposedly. taken out of context the reality is that. Vivek ramaswamy is running to be. president of the United States he will.

be on that debate stage tomorrow night. and he says this is a central message to. his campaign. this campaign is founded on the truth. the truth we will not back. we stand. for the truth. I'm a patriot who speaks the truth. well the truth is he did say it the. quote was accurate and it is on tape and. yes this is how. how it works. it quoted the things you say accurately.

yeah but that is still out of context. it's clearly out of context otherwise. they would have released the entire. recording I know and it's this weird. thing where they brag about how like but. you know what the Atlantic did release. four minutes of audio like well why not. just release the whole thing right but. this was after he had said they didn't. release it because they hadn't right so. he's asking for the copy of it they. would not give it to him and then they. released this small snippet that is. again taken out of context and it's not.

as if anywhere in there he says I I. believe there were federal agents in uh. on January zero on 9 11 he said it's. probably zero but he said he's asking. the question about January 6. but he. never even said I believe January 6th. was an inside job he said like it seems. like entrapment like that that's kind of. what it seems like and we have a right. to ask these questions yeah vivek's a. very uh a very sharp guy I had him on my. podcast. um he's very he's a very impressive guy. he's very smart. um and he's look he's just 100 right.

here that I look the um who's uh Ray the. the FBI director was asked and one of. the other top level uh justice. department people were both asked when. testifying before Congress whether there. were any federal agents or. um assets involved in January 6 and they. both said no comment. they both said we cannot talk about. ongoing investigations so the only time. this was actually asked to high-level. people they didn't shoot us a no they.

didn't say no absolutely not. let me take us let me steal man this. would it be. if you were running the FBI and there. was something like this march on the. Capitol and a bunch of people were. saying that the election was rigged and. people were storming the capital or. they're going to be on the lawn outside. of the capital. wouldn't you want to have federal agents. out there wouldn't that be a smart thing.

to do sure because I mean what if they. are organizing something that's highly. illegal what if there are some [ __ ]. real loons that are bringing explosives. and dirty bombs who [ __ ] knows right. just imagine the possibilities. what I mean doesn't it seem like that is. what they're supposed to do sure but you. wouldn't have them uh out there. screaming we're gonna storm the capital. right storm the capital so that's where.

the difference is if there were just a. question is did that happen right right. you know so if there were just like FBI. agents embedded in uh some type of. protest to you know watch out for. criminal activity and then if there was. some like arrest the person or whatever. that would be reasonable but if they're. in there to try to provoke. um criminal activity that's a whole. different story and if the case was that. they were sending the FBI in there. because they were worried about uh. violence and they wanted to then you'd.

also wonder why was it that the Capitol. Police didn't get the reinforcements. that they had requested and like why is. it that there were these other two. um like explosives that we've still. never gotten the answer to there's just. a lot of stuff about January 6 that. doesn't completely add up and I think. Vivek is one thousand percent right to. like say we should be we should be. demanding the answers to this yeah so. that's all like that's I think that's a. completely reasonable take yeah. you know CNN they do this thing where as.

soon as you start like inquiring about. these things they try to smear you as. like this is you know you're some type. of conspiracy nut or something like that. where and the funny thing about it is. that like look we all know the elites. conspire and you know intelligence. agencies conspire and they've carried. out tons of operations throughout the. years we know that so why is it so. unreasonable to question whether like. what exactly are they doing right now. it's not nothing you know what I mean.

it's not just that there's also been. cases of clear entrapment that we're all. aware of that they got away with and one. of the big ones is that 19 year old kid. who was talked into detonating a bomb. that wasn't even a bomb but I believe it. was by the FBI and I believe it was in. Dallas is that where it was from do you. remember that I remember the story yeah. I don't remember the storytelling but. yeah there's been uh they took some. young sort of delusional guy and they. they literally. kind of conned him into blowing up this.

bomb and it wasn't a bomb they gave him. a cell phone do this and it's going to. do that it's going to blow up and he. does that and then they arrest him yeah. but you you told him to do it you got. him to do it you talked him into doing. it there's been dozens of these since 9. 11. these kind of entrapment things and. then the FBI brags about how they. thwarted a terrorist attack but like. there was never a terrorist attack the. governor of Michigan oh yeah yeah that. one's bananas and and it is it's. actually it's really sad because like. the thing with Whitmore.

um what they end up doing is kind of. like luring in these really sad people. yeah you know like the guys like a. homeless guy who's a drunk who's living. you know in an attic somewhere or. something like that and then they kind. of get this guy to go along with it and. he like resists the first three times. and he's like no I don't want to do. anything like that no this is crazy and. then they keep pushing them and pushing. them and they finally get this guy so. they created the the event to begin with. there was no threat that this was going. to happen until you guys like lured this.

really sad in most cases not very bright. guys into doing this thing and then. arrest them the craziest thing is the. numbers. wasn't it like there was 14 people and. 12 of them were in. yeah the whole thing was basically fans. yeah feds and what was the purpose of it. the purpose of it was to kind of paint. this picture of the anti-lockdowners. right as being these violent threat and. so that this would then hurt Donald.

Trump in his election campaign so it's. not just like that they were just doing. this it's like they were doing this with. a political like motivation this is. what's so like this is the thing that's. so creepy and what so many people are. waking up to that's part of the reason. look man this is the reason why that uh. Richmond North Richmond song blew up so. big because so many people today and. it's kind of what's exciting about the. the current moment it's also a little. bit scary but that so many people are. just kind of waking up to how corrupt. this whole thing is yeah and you're like.

oh it's all fake it's all that was uh do. you remember the one we talked we just. mentioned Tucker Carlson said he had a. source that had read all of the Kennedy. files this one he said the CIA killed. Canada and he goes and then we asked him. Point Blank uh was the CIA involved in. the assassination of Jack Kennedy and. he's and the guy's response was he goes. yes it's all fake the country isn't what. we thought it was. and I remember just like that was like a. powerful like just to say it's all fake.

I think more and more people are waking. up to that like these these people on. CNN all day you know they act so like um. they have this air of like moral uh. superiority and concern about as well. listen this could lead to dangerous. conspiracy theories this is dangerous. for our democracy this is Bubba what. about these downtrodden people or. whatever and then meanwhile you're like. but you guys have no interest in finding. Epstein's Client List really like how.

are you not talking about that every day. man right like every day like you're. telling me we found out that there was a. ring of uh like a child rape ring with. the most powerful people all involved in. it and you're not just demanding every. day that we get to the bottom of this. and in fact we know that that one ABC. reporter was had the story suppressed. when she first broke the Epstein story. right she was on a hot mic talking about. it yeah and like so you're like well. where do you get off like acting like.

you're the yeah this is how the media. works you get quoted and then we quote. you and then we show you that's how the. media works like this every of. superiority where you're like you've. been caught red-handed on so many. different things you like you light us. into every freaking war in the last 20. years you you suppressed the Epstein. story you bullshitted about the hunter. Biden story you're all now even. admitting it even they're admitting it. now oh yeah they are well it turns out. there is a whole real corrupt thing to. be investigated here about the bidens.

it's like but then they still turn. around and have this like well we're the. news and that's what happens and then. they're very concerned with you know you. spreading misinformation or something. the Ivermectin thing yeah the the new. what now the the CDC or the FDA rather. can't stop doctors from approving. ivermectin for covid yeah there's this. giant wave of covid right now that's. happening supposedly. well according to Alex Jones uh uh he.

has information that you see that yeah. he said he said he talked to like high. level uh NSA guys I'm sorry uh TSA guys. um who told them that like masks and. airports are coming back and that. there's going to be a big ramp up in. covid and I was really hoping. this would fall into the Alex Jones. wasn't right category I still am but it. was really weird that after he said that. for the next few days everybody in the. corporate press is talking about covet. again not only about this new strain. there's a mask mandate that got passed.

at one college right and then Lions Gate. passed uh they they instituted a mass. mandate for other employees yeah yeah. she's wild I really I have a hard time. imagining that they would really try to. ramp the covid thing back up also all of. the all of the science seems to indicate. that this new strain is less deadly than. even Omicron was and so like what are we. even talking about here but they're. trying to push another round of boosters. they're already I saw there was a Pfizer. uh uh spokesman on CNN the other day.

this is why you really need to get this. uh this this latest booster and they say. does this booster protect against the. newest variant and and he said um it. looks like it does. it looks like it does okay it looks like. it that that's that's what you've got. for us now not even this like it's so. funny how far it's Fallen it's not just. like if you take this vaccine you won't. get it and you can't transmit it listen. it's 95 effective it's totally safe and. effective it'll definitely and that now.

it's just like uh looks good. shoot another one man. what are the effects of taking eight. mRNA vaccines in two years I don't know. looks good take it.

it was like way lower than that so most. of the American people maybe did get the. original double jab but they have not. been buying into this like booster. regime of like I have to keep getting. more and more I probably got coveted too. and they probably got it pretty bad you.

know it was probably quite a few people. at least that got it I mean that's the. Cleveland Clinic uh statistics which are. really interesting that's the study they. did on the healthcare workers it showed. that the more Jabs you got the more. likely you were to get covered which is. so crazy yeah which is really uh scary. and there's there was a lot of um. there there was a lot of scientific. arguments that were made even before. that that were like there's a real. concern that this is the case yeah that.

in fact the the vaccine is essentially. tricking your natural like um your. natural response including and hotels so. that and that's one of the things he. said while Trump was President yeah. which is so fascinating that they can. change their ideas about vaccines. depending upon who's the president. before Trump was president when Trump. was President they were all saying are. you gonna take it I'm Not Gonna Take It. Biden was saying it who knows who knows. what's in there Kamala Harris was saying.

it fauci was saying it could take years. and he literally said specifically this. that you know actually sometimes the. vaccine can have a reverse effect so it. would take years of us studying this. before we knew whether this helped or it. could actually make it worse they were. all saying it and then as soon as the. vaccine you know as soon as uh Trump uh. lost the election as soon as that the. vaccine rollout started I again it's. just like the thing in Ukraine you know. it's just like the thing with Al Qaeda. well that's that's gone all that stuff. we were admitting five minutes ago. you're a crazy person if you say that.

now right because now there's the new. agenda and this is how the propaganda. goes from that I will say man I think. that um uh. if they're if they're gonna do this like. if they're gonna bring back like mask. mandates if businesses are doing this I. I think like the thing that happened. with Budweiser or with Bud Light. and they put that Dylan uh. fella on the uh on the the can and they. like we need that times 10. like I I.

completely support people's right to. stop drinking Bud Light if they don't. like what's on the cat you know you. don't have to have a cultural thing. forced on you that you don't agree with. but like there's got to be some type of. response where like if you're bringing. back mask mandates we're boycotting your. business like we're just not we're not. [ __ ] with people who are going to try. to force this all down our throat again. because it's insane and it's like at a. certain point it's got to stop like dude. first off the cloth masks don't even. work and all the studies indicate that. it doesn't even slow the spread or.

anything. um and this is just insane like if. you're very sick and you're concerned. about uh covid then all right fine you. can like kind of isolate yourself but. let the let the rest of people like live. a life and go back to all this Insanity. again it's crazy because it's once. people have accepted it and once it's a. thing that happened it can happen again. and it seems like they kind of want it. to happen again at least some people. want it to happen again regardless of. what the information is about the.

effectiveness of mass regardless of like. the very low fatality rate for this new. strain like regardless of that they. still they want to go back to where we. were and they want to be able to say. that they did the right thing that they. protected people yeah it's so it's so. weird how into it a lot of people got. with the covet thing like they got into. being on lockdown they also got it into. enforcing other people's. you know the people's like when you have.

a bun like one of the things in La they. were doing they were turning people in. for having parties. remember that or like snitches get. stitches but in L.A they get rewards you. get rewards they. they were people were forcing other. people to comply. really weird it's weird how that. happened so you like you know you get. people that act like prison guards you. know that like they're they're a little. special because they can catch you doing.

the thing that you shouldn't be doing. that everybody should be fighting back. against yeah well it's like you know you. know there were like the the Milgram. experiments where they get people to zap. them until they think they're dead. because the person in a white coat tells. you to keep zapping them and they're. screaming in pain and most of the people. would just keep doing it even after it. looked like they were dead and that kind. of gave this like image of like oh so. this is like kind of how. authoritarianism works like there's this. authority figure and then people just. comply and they just follow it and they.

just follow orders and like that's. there's an element of that obviously I. mean they demonstrated that in the. experiment but then it's like it's. almost more like the Stanford Prison. experiments that's really more the. complete picture that like everyone gets. into their little role and they actually. really enjoy it and that's how. authoritarian regimes actually like uh. come to be yeah and continue themselves. is that it's not just that like oh you. know like um you know Hitler said we're. supposed to hate the Jews and I'm not. going to say no to him so I guess we got.

to hate the Jews it's more like those. people get really into hating the Jews. yeah yes they're the ones who did that. you know what I mean like it's kind of. like that's the real sick thing when. your neighbor just little things man I. remember um in like April of 2020 going. to visit my mother and being in her. apartment building and her like one of. the neighbors this kind of like busybody. uh older lady like came right up to us. and she goes visiting and without masks. really and you're like lady like go back.

down the hall like I'm bringing my kids. to see their grandmother and I'm not not. doing that because you're weird like go. away like I mean I didn't say it exactly. like that and I said I think I just said. something like I go yeah you don't want. to get too close to us you know like. social distance right like okay but it's. it's crazy like people would get into. that and like somehow you could be. demonized for the crime of bringing. little kids to see their grandmother. yeah you know what I mean like that's. something really creepy about that.

visiting and without masks I'm gonna. wear a mask to my mom also you're going. to have a conversation in the hallway. and cite statistics about the. effectiveness of mass right right like. what are we going to do here like I'm. not persuading you so it's just like. yeah let's distance stay over there it's. just such a weird thing that people. bought into has there ever is there any. compelling data that masks have an. effect they had they had a couple. studies that's that seemed to indicate. it but then when they kind of broke it. down it's like oh no they really. manipulated these studies and they left.

out all of these other areas that like. kind of showed that it didn't work I. don't have I don't remember like right. off hand but there were major studies. that indicated that the the mass. compliance rate and the spread of covid. had like no correlation to each other it. like it really didn't matter. um the the outdoor cloth mask thing is. just insane Lane there's like you don't. transmit covid outside unless you're. like right on top of each other. um and and also. um and I know it was um who was it oh.

okay I'm blinking on the uh I'll. remember in a second but there was the. major study that came out that also. showed that there was no correlation in. the lockdown in areas that locked down. versus areas that didn't lock that just. did nothing it had almost no effect. whatsoever on the virus because it's. like it's an upper respiratory virus it. spreads you know you kind of can't. really stop that from happening and the. best thing to fight against it has. always been this has now been proven. empirically but would have been easy for. anyone to figure out before is natural.

immunity it's the best that's the best. protection you have is if you can get. covet and get over it and they were. trying to say that natural muted U is a. myth yeah which is so wild yeah so wild. and it's all and it's clearly stronger. than any immunity you get from the. vaccine the only debate is over how much. stronger it is and I've seen some there. was like one Israeli study that showed. that it was 75 times more uh stronger. than the vaccine and then there was one. that showed it was like 35 times what. but whatever the number is it's clearly.

much better for you and you just get to. a point where like what was it was like. a one percent death rate I think on the. on the original uh uh the original uh. strand of coved and that one percent is. obviously largely driven by old sick. people that's where most of the death is. coming from and what they do with. nursing homes well yeah and then they. forced they forced positive people in. there crazy they forced those people to. stay in nursing homes and when they had. coveted in nursing homes it spread like.

wildfire and all these people that were. on death's door already wound up dying. yeah dude and it's like it's crazy. because it's only a few years later but. this is how this stuff happens you know. even like we were just talking about how. like oh that old thing that we used to. admit you're not allowed to admit that. anymore yeah um but it's almost like you. give a pass for all of these things but. you remember that like oh yeah they just. made like they made a Cuomo the hero. Governor yeah and every day he's on TV. and what did he want a [ __ ] Emmy or.

whatever for it. yes and they just try oh he's so. presidential Donald Trump is leading. he's leading then two seconds later he's. out but they let his brother interview. him every day on CNN yeah like that they. wouldn't even pretend there's a a. journalistic Integrity issue right with. having the brother of the governor sit. down and just congratulate him every. night while we're in the middle of the. biggest crisis that's what you do to. like hold power accountable you let him.

sit down with his brother every day I. can't believe even as corrupt as I know. like all the corporate press like. institutions are I can't believe there. wasn't someone there who goes this is. too much of the appearance of yeah like. we're not even pretending let's have. someone else interview him everyone let. Don Lemon do the yeah Andrew Cuomo stuff. you know right I think they thought it. was cute that they would talk [ __ ] to. each other yeah like that was the fun. thing that it was like Palling around. with my brother yeah I'm sure it was.

great for Ratings they thought he was. going to be the president man and then. well for whatever reason they turned on. him yeah and it's wild watching the the. Democrat establishment turn on that guy. because in the beginning of the pandemic. he was what do you think it was do you. think it was the nursing home statistics. like what what what is it that like. where he became a liability because. there was there was a lot of people that.

were saying like that guy could be the. big guy to challenge trump it I don't. think it was the nursing home thing I. don't think it was any of his track. record on kovid because I mean look uh. Newsome has a terrible track record on. covid but they're they're not like. turning on him over that I I think it's. like pissed off some powerful people. behind the scenes some [ __ ] like that. happened because it was a concerted. effort like he was being propped up like. the next guy and then they were like. we're pulling the floor out from. underneath this guy just like that that. was it was crazy during covid how many.

of those things happened where like you. know they'd go like with very little. time in between they'd go from being. like okay like you can't leave your. house you were like they were like. demonizing uh kids who were on the beach. you know being like look how Reckless. these kids are being they're out on the. beach with their friends you know uh. msnbc's like this guy's not wearing a. mask you know like demonizing anyone who. went outside and then it was like well. if you're protesting for black lives. matter that's totally cool you guys can. all do it huge groups go for it no. problem and I was like dude but.

yesterday you told me to give up my life. and like put everything on but now if. it's for this cause it's okay or like. the way they were we were at 5 PM. everyone was applauding for the nurses. but now if that nurse won't get. vaccinated fire or you know like screw. you're like whoa right especially Arrow. just became like nurses that already had. coveted and gotten over it well I mean. it's so unscientific well all of those. nurses had been working throughout the. pandemic so they had surely either.

gotten coveted or figured out how to. protect themselves from getting covered. you know what I mean there's just no. there was no argument that like they. must get the vaccine right. yeah it was a Nutty time man very and it. still is it still is I mean this stuff. this stuff with Trump you know he's uh. tomorrow supposed to uh himself in in. Georgia and I'm not sure exactly I was. reading about it uh yesterday and it's. not exactly clear I guess because the. deal hasn't been made but it was.

something like uh like a 200 000 bond is. what they were saying and then um it. looks like he's gonna have to actually. go into the jail so they're gonna I. think they're gonna book them I think. that means mug shots. um which is which is I think something. that they're going for I think they like. the Optics of that a lot. um Trump has already agreed to a 200 000. bond with certain conditions including. limits on social media that's a really. interesting one wow limits on social. media posts about the case but if he.

violates it judges may have limited. enforcement options that's interesting. and so this is this is one thing that's. much different than any of the other. indictments this is the first time that. a judge has said and you know they can. do this crazy stuff that seems wildly. unconstitutional and just a very basic. violation of Liberty is insane to me but. they can have like these gag orders you. know like Roger Stone when when he was. first charged was not allowed to speak. about it like you can't defend yourself. publicly you can't speak about the case.

and they're allowed to do this they go. we'll throw you in jail if you speak. about it. um it's kind of like this weird system. where once they agree they kind of have. the right to keep you in jail until your. trial legally. um and so if they release you they can. say well these are the conditions and it. can kind of be anything you know. um but the idea that you could say well. okay you can't defend yourself. publicly you know you can't post on. Truth social or Twitter or whatever. about this yeah is such a weird thing.

if you believe in Liberty at all it's a. weird thing because Liberty is kind of. predicated on the presumption of. innocence. like if you're not if you don't have the. presumption of innocence then there's no. such thing as freedom I mean you could. say we have freedom but if I accuse you. of something you're guilty right then. you don't have any freedom so. supposedly in it we're innocent until. proven guilty so Trump's innocent of. these charges and yet they can still. tell you you're not allowed to post this. you're not allowed to say this but. what's particularly interesting in this.

case is that it just smells a lot like. election interference because from the. political standpoint if this is the. biggest National story of a presidential. race and Joe Biden can say whatever he. wants about it or the Democrats can say. whatever they want about it but Trump. isn't allowed to defend himself like. he's not allowed to comment on it at all. right that seems like you're rigging the. system sounds like the conditions are. more about it's his intimidating. Witnesses and stuff like that yes that's. what they say these the what the judge. and I don't think we know all the.

details of this but what the judge says. was that you can't you can't post. anything that's that would be. intimidating. um about this case but where exactly. exactly they draw those lines is is a. question to post on social media reposts. on social media a post made by another. individual on social media go back to. the top of that listen look how it's. phrased here as part of the condition is. Trump will be prohibited from doing. anything a judge could interpret as an. effort to intimidate co-defendants or.

Witnesses or otherwise obstruct the. administration of justice. you know what it reminds me of is when. uh when uh Mueller finally released that. report. um where he basically said they had no. evidence of any conspiracy uh with. Russia right but then as like a uh to. throw a bone to The Establishment to not. make them look as bad as it made them. look he said well well here's 10. instances where he could have maybe. obstructed Justice like he didn't like.

say he did but he was like here's the. instances and one of them was and I [ __ ]. you not you can go read the report one. of the ten instances was that he kept. referring to the it as a Witch Hunt. so like the fact that he kept saying. this is [ __ ] like I'm not I'm not. involved in a conspiracy with Russia and. everybody knows that that was him uh. potentially obstructing the. investigation wow so it's like if you if. I say you murdered somebody and you go. that's absolute [ __ ] I didn't murder. anybody and you're like you're right you.

didn't but you just obstructed Justice. wow like how insane is that so let's. just go you're right we did make that up. about the murder thing but when you said. you didn't murder anybody you know they. said firing Comey was one of them. because he fired the FBI the director of. the FBI who was investigating him at the. time but then Comey said that he told. Trump he wasn't investigating him. so now maybe Trump figured that out but. he had told the president he wasn't. investigating him even though he was and. uh Trump fired him why did Trump. specifically fire him you know I I Okay.

so. Comey is the uh the FBI director the. first time uh the first time they meet. uh and Comey was uh the FBI director. under Obama you know so he was still. there it's not like Trump appointed him. he was already the FBI director so the. first time they meet uh Comey presents. him with the Steele dossier. and he goes you know just wanted to let. you know we have all of this uh. information and all the stuff the P the.

the you know and all that being involved. with Russia and all of this and Trump's. response to this. um at least according to uh Bob Woodward. um was uh was he goes take everything. you need you have access to all my. campaign files everything if there's any. connection to Russia here I want to know. about it as much as you do so. investigate me which he did not have to. do which right away should have really. suggested that there was nothing to this. but I don't know exactly what the. details of that meeting were but to me.

what it read like. was you know uh like what J Edgar Hoover. this was the long time you know head of. the FBI what he used to do was like uh. so JFK uh you know wins the presidency. uh Bobby Kennedy RFK Junior's father is. the is the attorney general he uh he. comes into a meeting with uh with Jay. Edgar Hoover NJ Edgar Hoover goes Hey. listen just want to keep you up to date. on some intelligence I have these. pictures of all of the chicks who your.

brothers sleeping with. so here you go here's just the. intelligence just so you know. um I have all of the information about. all the Affairs he's having and don't. worry I have backups yeah so anyway so I. don't know who you guys are thinking to. uh tap for FBI director but I'm thinking. I do another term you know what I mean. it's that kind of deal it's like it's. like a soft blackmail and it seems like. there was something like that with Comey. presenting all of that like here look. what I have and I think he kind of just. before the steel dossier had been. released publicly yes and so I think he.

was kind of like look here here's what I. have here's you know and like kind of. tried to like Alpha Donald Trump and I. think trying to do that to Donald Trump. like his. Trump's knee-jerk reaction he's like you. know what my catch phrase is right. it's like you're fired yeah and like I. don't think he told that to him to his. face there but I think that was. ultimately kind of like what got him to. fire him and then that firing Comey is. what set off the whole thing and um you. know but like I said earlier they had. been already investigating him knowing.

this was [ __ ] from the very. beginning since the campaign and uh. Andrew uh McCabe who was the deputy uh. the deputy FBI director uh at the time. so James uh uh so after they fired. um the FBI director he said this on a 60. Minutes interview he said that basically. they all sat around all the top people. at the justice department and they. considered invoking the 25th Amendment. which is you know getting enough of the.

cabinet to declare that the president is. unfit to serve and removing him and that. that's what they wanted to do and he. said that they basically realized they. couldn't get enough of the cabinet like. they couldn't get enough people to agree. to that and so they they settled on. Mueller. they settled on setting up a special uh. investigator and so that was that's how. they got to the whole investigation how. much money did they spend on this tens. of millions I don't remember exactly how. much but it was it was a bit it was nice.

nice chunk but the and the crazy thing. about it too is that. so Mueller investigates for over two. years through the midterm elections and. this is the time when all you heard on. the news every single day was Trump. Russia collusion Trump Russia collusion. let's bring on this next guest who says. that Donald Trump may have been a. Russian spy since 1986 and all of these. different things you know BuzzFeed. publishes uh the the Steele dossier. they're all citing it and they're all. talking about it and then I don't know. if you remember this at the very end.

it's like the last month. uh BuzzFeed had these two reporters who. ran a story that said that they had been. shown proof that uh Donald Trump. instructed uh Cohen his attorney to lie. in before Congress and this is a clear. crime and this is going to lead with. indictments of Donald Trump he's going. to be walking away in handcuffs the. sitting president of the United States. of America is about to be indicted and. Mueller's team put out a statement and.

they said that is this is not true that. isn't we have not found that in our. investigation so they were willing at. that point toward the very end. um yes this was uh the Mueller report. found that Trump did not direct Michael. Cohen to lie but more importantly than. that is that they came they came out. before the report was out and said Hey. listen everyone's speculating about this. kind of like control expectations. because that's not going to happen we. didn't find any evidence of that yet. they allowed for two plus years every.

pundit in the world to speculate about. whether the sitting president of the. United States had committed high treason. and he never came out and said hey guys. that's not where our investigation is. pointed at all like cool it with that he. let everybody say that through the. midterm elections and just through the. first two plus years of Trump's. Administration just let that hang over. him even though clearly he never had any. evidence pointing in that direction at.

all which is insane it's like it it was. like the biggest story in the history of. the United States of America if it was. true that the sitting president is. actually a Russian agent right like. there's nothing bigger than that ever. but the actual story is almost as big. which is that the intelligence agencies. framed the sitting president for treason. and they all got away with it. and this is the world we're living in. right now this is uh yeah the real red.

pill moment it's the Richmond north of. Richmond they all want Total Control. yeah and that's what but that's kind of. I think on some instinctual level like. that's why this [ __ ] that song resonates. so much with people and I remember you. said once I always thought this was like. the best way to put it and I believe you. were talking about Occupy Wall Street. now this was years ago when that was. going on and you compared them to uh. white blood cells yeah and you go now. white blood cells maybe don't exactly. understand what virus this is exactly.

they don't know the science of it like. it's but they know like corruption Rush. it's just like this kind of thing on an. instinctual level like yeah and I think. there was something to that like with. Occupy Wall Street my guess sure if you. went down there and you talked to the. average kid there and asked them like. about economics or something he might. give you some ridiculous answer right. but they knew those big Banks being. bailed out was corrupt as [ __ ] you know. and I think there's something about that. like people just know they're like this. whole system is [ __ ] and they're. right yeah it's [ __ ] yeah and it's.

gonna remain [ __ ] that's what's. crazy until the Libertarians take over. join the libertarian party the mises. caucus we're gonna we're gonna get us. how but even if they got into Power what. are they gonna do about this. vast intelligence community and the. influence of special interests well look. there's it's almost like two separate. things okay so it's like what needs to. be done you know versus how you get it. done right and that's the the how you.

get it done part is much more. challenging but it's like uh I'd say. like um you know like if you were bit by. uh like a a venomous uh snake and like. whatever the the like antidote or. something is like at the top of a really. steep hill and you're like okay well the. answer is we have to get that and inject. it in you but then the real problem. becomes like okay but how how the hell. do we get up this hill so like the. answer is that all these agencies need. to be abolished the answer is that like. you need a drastic reduction in the size.

and scope of government you need to like. abolish all of these three letter. organizations and just start over start. over with the Bill of Rights and uh the. Declaration of Independence in the. Constitution that would be like that. would be about as close to perfect as. you could get however. how what you're dealing with is the most. powerful entrenched interests in the. history of the world the the American. federal government is the biggest gravy. train in the history of the world the.

biggest organization in the history of. the world by every metric. how do you roll that back. that is a much that's a much more. difficult question and I I think that my. guess on this is like the only plausible. way to do this is that you need like a. mass uh populist movement you need and. it can't be like we got 45 percent of. the country who's fed up with this. government it's got to be like we got 85.

percent of the country and we're all. together on all of this and then you. need Elites. like you need the elites who will. actually like put their power and. influence and wealth behind this kind of. you know type of movement to try to look. I mean what what really has to happen is. that and I think to some degree this is. what happened with Elon Musk taking over. Twitter you know is that that type of. thing where you have a real elite like a. natural Elite too somebody who wasn't. just like picked didn't just win an.

election but like built something insane. you know. um. I think at least it seems to me I don't. know Elon Musk at all but it seems to me. like he had a real belief that he's like. um he's like we're gonna destroy this. country like if we don't have kind of. some type of free speech platform we're. gonna we're going to this is gonna be. our demise and I think you need enough. powerful people to realize that like you. want to keep this thing together man. because you're doing great like this. isn't good for you if this whole country.

falls apart and we're dangerous like. we're getting dangerously close to that. point and look man. when it comes down to it it's like the. the reason why America is the most. successful country that's ever existed. is because it it was the freest country. and that's the beautiful thing like. freedom is not only the most like moral. uh system but it's also like leads to. the most Prosperity at least the most. Harmony like it's what civilized. behavior is right like the essence of.

civilized behavior is essentially the. non-aggression principle the idea that. like you respect people and their. property and you don't you know what I. mean like you're not allowed to just be. a violent animal you have to be. non-violent and try to persuade people. and trade with them that's how that's. how civilization is built and America. was the best at that you know we were. the best at that restraining government. having free markets and the individual. liberty and we need to move back toward. that or we're going to die. but the problem with that is that you're.

trying to move back towards that against. people that have. this desire for self-preservation and. they have their own jobs and they have. their position of power that they don't. want to relinquish because what would. they do now what would they what do they. do now you take everyone that's in all. these intelligence agencies like you're. no longer needed but what about the. people that are needed and what about. the tasks that they do that are. important what about the legitimate of.

eyes on terrorism what about the. legitimate. you know intelligence they're Gathering. about real dangers to the United States. what do you do about that well for the. first part of it I you know and like I. don't have all the answers to this but. I know that like the when the com when. the Soviet Union fell. there were people I think to this day. but there were like people like. Communists like government officials who. are like still collecting pensions like. they just kind of like paid him off. almost like listen your services here.

are no longer needed but you know that's. like you know don't Revolt or anything. we're not going to kill you we're not. putting you on trial but like you're. just you're done take this money and go. you know. um I would be open to something like. that you know for some people I do. things others should be uh criminally. prosecuted but I think that uh there. certainly is like a role for like. intelligence gathering there certainly. has to be a role for National Defense. um now I think in an ideal world it.

would all be kind of like a voluntary. private type system but in PR in. Practical terms I think that look like. we it's not as if before the CIA was. created that was just like the president. was just like we have no intelligence. we're just flying completely blind you. know and like what it was created to be. was essentially like a new newspaper for. the president. like you're supposed to basically. deliver here's the news the president. needs to know like the real important. news and what it's become is like a.

paramilitary organization that starts. Wars and colored revolutions all around. the world lies the American people into. conflict spies on on our political. leaders and and presidential campaigns. and all of this stuff and you're like. yeah this just became something it. wasn't ever supposed to be it was never. supposed to be this that now and now. you're really the guys who are in. control and I think since Kennedy that's. kind of been true that like that's. really who's running the show here and. you can't go on with that you know what.

I mean like that has to just be scrapped. now you know by the way if anyone from. the CIA is listening I'm no threat to. ever actually doing it so we're totally. cool totally cool. um I bet there's certain people in the. CIA that agree with you I I wouldn't be. surprised I wouldn't be surprised. there's people that are very. uncomfortable with the way things go. people that are real Patriots that got. into that job because they genuinely. want to protect American interests and. American people I'm sure there are yeah.

there are always lots of people like. that almost in any organization you know. but it is absolute power corrupts. absolutely yeah it's just this principle. that's always existed well this is and. this is the essence of why you know the. Washington DC being so powerful is such. a problem it's like when you have this. like kind of concentrated power in DC. um it's power corrupts and absolute. power corrupts absolutely it's the old. Lord Atkins saying which really does. apply and this is essentially why I'm a. Libertarian and not a leftist is that.

it's um because I don't even on some. pure levels I think I have some of the. same kind of like I was a left-leaning. kid before I got obsessed with Ron Paul. and all this stuff. um but like I care about helping poor. people and I don't think you should be a. big it and you know what I mean like I. have like those kind of leftist impulses. but it's just like I feel like most of. like progressives and leftists they they. want to have a very powerful government. that does those things. and my realization is that you can never.

have this very powerful government. without all the corruption that comes. along with it like you kind of. essentially want power to not corrupt. right but it's going to it's just. inevitable and you know when you you. have I mean I I don't know even the. exact numbers right now I think during. covet I think we topped off at seven. trillion dollars in total federal. spending you have an organization that. spends seven trillion dollars. it's like that is so much power yeah.

that of course everybody's going to be. fighting for who gets to wield that. power yeah and there's kind of it's like. the Lord of the Rings thing like the. only answer here is kind of like to. throw it away you know it's not that the. good guy gets it that's not the answer. and I think that's kind of the essence. of leftism well what if the good guy. could get it and then we use that power. to just give everybody health care and. stuff you know and you're like I am it's. a nice idea but let me put that ring on. you and I'm not claiming I could wear. that ring either I'd become evil too you. know that's even like the most the. nicest you know like well-meaning.

Democratic Socialist type people who. some of them I like personally you know. like I like Ben Burgess I think he's a. good dude. um but I wouldn't trust him with that. much power you know what I mean like I. don't there's not one of them who I. think would actually be able to wield it. not only that like you're gonna have. people in your ear. and you're going to have people that. supported your campaign and it's going. to have people that you have you've. aligned with and you've made certain. deals with and it's like look and.

there's evil people out there in the. world yeah and they're going to be. attracted to that level of power there's. legitimately people out there in the. world that will make decisions that will. make them money and get people killed. and they'd sleep like a baby yeah yeah. that's hard for people to accept if you. don't do that if that's not your life. it's hard for people to accept but. that's true yeah there are predators. amongst us and when you're not a. predator it is we all do this thing. where we project ourselves onto others. and I think that's the essence of like. how you have empathy you know like you.

put yourself in their shoes right and. think like oh well I wouldn't want that. happen to me so I won't do that to. someone else but the flaw in that is. that yet you it's very hard for many of. us to actually put ourselves in the. position of some you know like to think. that like oh there's someone else who's. kind of like me in some ways but will. also like kill children and not lose a. wink of Sleepover right you know and. somehow another feel like it's okay to. do yeah which is very bizarre like. very bizarre very bizarre that that's a.

human characteristic especially if. you're not physically experiencing the. death and destruction you're doing it. everything's remote and even though you. know there's like a tally and you know. that there's do you ever uh did I ever. uh mention I probably have one of the. times I've been on but that Madeleine. Albright uh quote when she was. interviewed on 60 Minutes and there was. this a un report this is during the the. Clinton years. um and there was a un report that said. that the uh because at the time like the. first uh Persian Gulf War was over but.

Bill Clinton had this like massive. sanction regime against Iraq and they. had a total blockade around the country. um and massive bombing campaigns and. this is one of the things Osama Bin. Laden Bin Laden cited in his declaration. of war against the U.S one of his list. of Grievances and um so the UN report uh. said that they uh believe 500 000 oh. yeah it's pretty short you could just. play it. in Hiroshima hold on play it bring it. back a little because I missed her. question.

we have heard that a half a million. children have died. I mean that's more children than died. when in Hiroshima and and. you know is the price worth it. I think this is a very hard choice but. the price we think the price is worth it. it's just like wow a crazy thing to just. say like because 500 000 kids have died. is the price worth it and go yeah we. think so but I mean she did preface it.

but it's tough tough choice but yeah. yeah we do and this was always kind of. like my thing and this is what Ron Paul. there's like what I I first got. introduced to Ron Paul it was that. moment with Giuliani in 2007 when they. were having that debate and. his basic argument was just like look if. we're at war with these terrorists then. we need at least understand what's going. on here and like put yourself in their. perspective in their shoes you know how. would you feel and like imagine someone. was talking like this about your kids.

right you know what I mean like we've. decided that price is worth it I think. my response to that might be like well. I've decided this price is worth it now. you know like I like and and. it and and again it's just like the. thing with Vladimir Putin it's just like. it doesn't mean like obviously that that. doesn't mean 9 11 was okay you know what. I mean like that doesn't mean like. terrorism is okay it's okay that they. killed innocent people it's just like if. you want to understand what's going on. here you have to be able to like put. yourself in the in the perspective ask.

yourself the question how would we feel. if this was done to us right and that's. kind of that was my central point with. all of the stuff with um with the war in. Ukraine so I just go like okay you know. you're saying Vladimir Putin wasn't. provoked but like what if. you know what if the Warsaw Pact uh. never uh dissolved and the USSR was. still going and then they moved their. military Alliance all the way up through. Britain and then into Canada you know. and then. um they went over and you know backed a.

violent coup who overthrew the pro-us. government in Canada and put in a. pro-russian government and then we're. talking about you know expanding the. military Alliance more and they started. putting weapons in Canada you know what. I mean they'd be like what would we. think about that right it's like we'd. probably be like whoa this is an act of. aggression yeah this is or this is at. least a provocation you know it's like. it's like that um. that always I was always very attracted. to Ron Paul's message because of that. because it's like this just seems like a. very basic thing to understand if you're. going to understand what's going on that.

it's not all you can't only look at. things from the perspective of your. country and to like look at things from. the perspective of people outside well. that's the real problem with getting. your news from television because these. are very nuanced subjects that require a. lot of information to really get a full. picture of what exactly caused this. conflict to jump off in the first place. and most people aren't getting that it's. just it's a failure of mainstream news. but what's cool is like you know we are.

living in this kind of through this. revolution of all of that stuff where I. I genuinely don't know how much longer. the uh the corporate press will even be. around if it keeps going in this. Direction I mean it is really wild and. it's been very interesting to see um. both RFK Junior and Vivek ramaswamy like. on casts all over the place like I've. had both of them on my podcast you had. RFK on on here like blew up the internet. um it's just interesting that now.

they're kind of recognizing oh well. there's this whole other way that people. are getting information and I just I. don't know how anyone could argue that. just objectively it's so much if the. goal is to like tell people your ideas. and to educate people about what's going. on it's so much better to have like. a hours-long discussion than to go do a. seven minute segment on CNN it's kind of. ridiculous to ever think you could talk. about any like complex idea that way and.

and there's lots of shows like this you. know I was I was watching um. uh the other day I watched um uh Crystal. and Sagar. um what's the show it's breaking points. now right was that the old one no it's a. new one's breaking it's breaking points. that watch they had uh Chris Matthews on. that you did see it yeah let me take a. pee break and she'll come back and talk. about sure because it was pretty wild. sure and we're back. so Chris Matthews. right on breaking points that's right a. while to watch it was uh first off I.

mean I don't know he seemed like he was. drunk he seems admired maybe maybe tired. I don't know but it's uh he's also you. know it's got that old Irish thing about. him I don't know but it was it was. pretty interesting. um to watch kind of the back and forth. and how um. how defensive he got. at points where Crystal was kind of. asking questions that many of which I. thought were very fair questions I mean. I I thought part of what she was saying. was insane where she was bragging about. how great the government did during.

covid and all that stuff and I. completely disagree with her on that but. she was asking like very fair questions. and and the one that was the most. interesting to me was to get a guy like. Chris Matthews who was really one of the. Staples of cable news. throughout this whole kind of the you. know the last whatever 15 20 years maybe. even more than that. um and to ask him like look you clearly. are like a big critic of the populist. movements that have arose like he was a.

big critic of Bernie Sanders a big. critic of Donald Trump you know he's. like but do you see. any failures on on your part that led to. this like do you do you get why people. are so upset with the establishment. Democrats and Republicans and he seemed. to have like no answer to it and that's. just it's it's one of those things where. like I think so many people in that game. in the corporate press world it's like. you know they like whatever they'd be. like criticizing you or someone like.

that and you're like but do you guys. ever just sit and like ask yourselves. well why is it that the people abandon. you. and went over to this other you know. like. in this completely other direction that. wouldn't you at some point I remember. Tucker Carlson said this once I think it. was in his book uh Ship of Fools but he. was like like if your wife leaves you. for like a guy you know what I mean like. your wife leaves you for some guy like. at first you yeah you're like oh screw.

her you know or whatever but like at. some point you might like reflect on. that and go like well what happened. there like what did I do that you know. like she wanted to leave like you know. what I mean like there seems like. there's none of that with them and it's. it's fairly easy to figure out which is. like what we've been talking about it's. like oh yeah the system was so. incredibly corrupt and it was screwing. over regular people well if you're well. if you're someone whose business is. mainstream news right now especially. like cable news you've got to be.

concerned with the limitations of your. platform because one of the things with. people having access to instantaneous. video now whether it's YouTube or rumble. or whatever it is it's like like you can. instantly get things on your phone and. there's no need to be sitting through. all these commercials there's no need to. be tuning in at a specific time there's. no need to have something like unless. you have TiVo or whatever it is a DVR. you can't pause it and Rewind it you.

can't stop it to go take a piss like. what yeah it's like why do it that way. there's just a superior way what world. are you guys living in you're living in. a Bizarro world where you're you're. using 1990s ideology when it comes to. like how you broadcast things and you're. interrupting things every five minutes. so it's impossible to have an in-depth. discussion where people aren't under. tremendous pressure and also you're. you're having a lot of these discussions.

you're not even there with them. physically you're in remote locations. and there's several people talking over. each other and everyone's just trying to. get a big sound bite yeah and then you. cut to Commercial and like what did you. do and and you you're just not it and in. that environment everything's very. shallow yeah and very kind of like on. the surface and so you know it's like. well what what led to the rise of Donald. Trump as a political figure and it's. like uh racism and Russia or whatever. and you're like yeah but that's not come. on man like that's not really getting at.

what happened here like why is it that. this guy's anti-establishment message. was so popular it resonated so much with. tens of millions of Americans and and I. think you can if you just look at just. the 21st century alone and you look at. kind of like the elites that are in. charge of society every society is going. to have Elites that's just the way. things work you may not like that but. that's just the way things work every. sector has Elites everything that's how. human beings are. um. but what have the elites like given the.

American people in the 21st century it's. like okay well we got like we got 911 we. got. um uh we got two 20-year catastrophe. Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. um we got that all culminated in the. worst financial crisis in a hundred. years in in 2008 you know in response to. that so the Federal Reserve. another organization that should be. abolished but they do a good job of.

keeping data so they according to the. Federal Reserve it was like between 2007. and 2010 the uh um the average American. lost 40 percent of their net worth. like 40 of their net worth evaporated. and if you can just like imagine. um imagine what it's like if you're like. you got you know like you got two kids. and you're making like 70 grand a year. something like that just kind of like.

the average person. you lose 40 of your net worth. you're like I mean it's terrifying you. know what I mean yeah and so and then. the response to that from Barack Obama. when he got in was what they called the. Obama recovery but the Obama recovery. was basically created by lowering. interest rates to zero and jacking up. government spending to the highest. levels that it had ever been and so they. have a recovery on paper but who really.

benefits from an environment where you. have crazy high government spending and. zero percent interest rates are well the. zero percent interest rates benefit the. walls the Wall Street speculators. because now everyone's got to speculate. in order to make any money on their. money you can't just save your money. because you're making nothing so you. have to kind of gamble it in the Wall. Street Casino. so Wall Street gets filthy rich off this. and then the high government spending. it's like everyone connected to DC made. a ton of money so it was great for them. but for the Rust Belt it wasn't great.

that's why that's why so many of those. same areas that voted for Obama went for. Trump because he was talking about. bringing their jobs back and like you. know what I mean yeah and it's like you. you put yourself in the perspective of. these people who like I don't know like. like his son died in Iraq you know what. I mean or maybe one of his kids came. back a mess from this war that they now. admit we never should have fought to. begin with it was all [ __ ] you know. what I mean you're uh um you're you lost. your job in 08 and now you have some. crappier job than you've ever had before. you know what I mean maybe you got.

another kid who's like addicted to. opioids or something like that because. there's a whole epidemic of that going. on and like then this guy came in and. told you he cares about you he's gonna. win for you it's big billionaire. [ __ ] said I'm gonna win bring. your jobs back it's like it's not such a. mystery why they went for that guy and. why they rejected the entire corporate. media who had been basically lying to. them for you know for the last 20 years. yeah and then like there was never just. like there was almost like Crystal was. like asking Chris Matthews do you have.

a moment can you think about this at all. yeah and he was just completely like. shut off to even like entertaining what. failures of the establishment might have. led to this new populous moment that we. live in today well they had like a big. moment where she was talking about. taxing the rich. yeah I think she was wrong about all. that stuff yeah she was she was talking. about how you know we during the. pandemic certain Acts were passed that.

essentially eliminated childhood famine. right yeah she was making some credit. about uh some she was making some point. about the the child tax credit or. something like that the problem with all. that and I think I think crystal ball. and a lot of the left Wingers are just. out to lunch on this stuff is that like. listen during covet 2020 and 2021 were. like the absolute worst years for. regular Americans sorry the government. did something that really made.

everything wonderful it was terrible and. in the midst of that. um what the what the government really. did in its response was give crumbs to. people while giving uh trillions to like. big corporations and big Banks. objectively that's what happened the. trillions and trillions of dollars that. they they spent that year the vast. majority of it went to big business so. this idea that like that and and of. course you know she can talk about the. um the uh the spending and how like okay.

you can say the spending well it helped. for the people who got the money and. it's like yes and then they had to feel. the inflation from all of that but the. childhood tax credit right what was what. was the benefit of that there there is. some tangible benefit of that oh I 100. agree I you know listen uh to any extent. that you're giving out tax credits I'm. all for that so yeah you know people. with kids have you know less money to. pay in taxes I think that's great I I. think the the covid uh response of. anything should have been to um you know.

I'd say uh um abolish the income tax you. know there you go if people can't work. well listen I mean that doesn't solve. the problem that people can't work but. for working people that would give them. enormous relief. um and then you know the of course all. these other things is like it's a result. of the lockdowns that now you've kicked. all of these people out of work so now. the argument is like well we have to. give them something but the real answer. there is that we never needed to do the. lockdowns to begin with the the real. problem is that it really reinforces the. tinfoil hat Brigade because then you say.

they're trying to weaken America and. they're doing this on purpose the. lockdowns were on purpose the reason why. they're doing this is not pulling. political it's not for for Optics as. they're trying to destroy the country by. destroying the middle class and. destroying small businesses destroying. restaurants and then he's just like. yeah but maybe I mean I don't blame I I. blame them for making it look like. that's what they're trying to do right. it's like you're making it seem like. this is a big conspiracy yeah so maybe.

stop doing that and then like it won't. there won't be so much attraction for a. conspiracy theorists which I will admit. sometimes get pretty nutty and you're. like yeah I don't think you can really. prove any of that. um but you I understand why when the. government is so corrupt and they lie so. much and they screw over average. Americans so much. it it leads to an environment where. conspiracies spread yeah and people so. and then the other thing is that there. are like a lot of really legitimate. conspiracies that really are.

conspiracies yeah now you know I mean. it's pretty clear that there was that I. mean we have the emails like we know. like fauci conspired to kill the lab. League story like they conspired to kill. the hunter Biden story these are. conspiracies and so you know again it's. like by you know analogy of like it's. like uh if if uh I heard Sam Harris said. uh recently on a podcast that he said. something um he goes. and he was being critical of you and RFK.

I think and uh Brett uh Weinstein and he. said uh like he goes well these guys are. over here talking about how bad the MRNA. vaccine is how bad coveted restrictions. are but I'm trying to sail where I. understand that like we're losing trust. in these institutions but we also need. institutions that we can trust and I my. thing is almost it's like the analogy of. the if you're cheating on your wife and. your wife catches you cheating on her. and then you go um you know your.

response is like you know the real. problem here is that there's not trust. in this marriage and we need a marriage. with trust. and it's like yeah yeah no the real but. the real problem is that you cheated. here like the problem is that you lied. yeah that's why there's no trust right. like it's not like I'm fine with the uh. the theoretical argument that like we. need institutions we can trust like yeah. that'd be great that'd be great if. during a pandemic there were a bunch of. medical experts who could get us. accurate information be honest and and. spread that information around and so. sure.

but the problem isn't that we just don't. trust them the problem is that they're. lying and we caught them red-handed and. then that led to a bunch of people going. like well how long have they been lying. you know if they're lying about this. when were they honest and then the more. you look into it you're like oh [ __ ]. they were always lying they've been. lying for a really long time and so to. turn around and then blame that on the. you know the problem here is just that. we don't have trust like no that's. actually a solution that's a step in the. right direction if you don't trust these. [ __ ]. coffee cracked a lot of people yeah it.

sure did she really did it exposed. people that just it's very unfortunate. Trump trump did a lot too and then kovid. really took it to the next level. but it's you know it's it's interesting. you learn a lot about who people really. are how things really work you know how. much uh. it's like a like a stress test kind of. you know I have a bit about this in my. new special by the way which was just. released yesterday on YouTube go check. it out please yay um uh but it's like.

it's like kobit was like a stress test. you know like you throw a crisis at. something and you see but like you see. how strong it really is what's the. Constitution here yeah and it exposed a. lot we had some weaknesses yeah exposed. a lot in people that they don't want to. admit it expose them because they keep. digging themselves deeper and deeper. into these holes trying to find ways. that they were right yeah and you see a. lot of that online you see a lot of that. on Twitter well it's like so many people. that are just trying to reinforce with.

their previous statements regardless of. whether or not they're easily disproven. now at this point yeah and they're and. and the crazy thing is when you. encounter people who are still hanging. on to the arguments that the regime. itself has already abandoned you know. what I mean like they're not even making. that argument anymore like Fouch is not. even saying this and then people will. say these things you know I see people. still get it it's it's only a pandemic. of the unvaccinated you know but like. what like just regular people like. online like fauci ain't saying that.

anymore even he knows like we're. abandoned that talking point but then. people you hear it enough and they and. they believe it and that's one of the. things with all this stuff it's part of. how propaganda works I guess like the. big lie type deal that if you just. repeat something often enough it does. stick with a lot of people oh there's a. there's a certain percentage who it's. just like yeah but I heard that a lot so. there must be something to it and it's a. disturbing amount of smart people smart. people that are just unwilling to go. outside the boundaries of the ideology.

there's a thing that you're supposed to. say and they say it so you don't get. attacked and it just like everybody's. like yeah thanks for saying that yes and. then there's also a weird reaction like. it's like people get into binary. thinking a lot they want to put. everything in into a neat box like I. remember I I tweeted something about uh. the Sam Harris like when he when he uh. had that clip and I it's just the amount. of responses I get where people who are. agreeing with me but they go they'll say. things like they're like this guy is. such an idiot and you're like no no no.

no he's not like that's kind of the. whole interesting thing here it's like. no he's not dumb like he's a really. brilliant neuroscientist or whatever a. neurologist whatever he is like he ain't. dumb you know what I mean and like. that's kind of more fascinating actually. it is you know like wrong and stupid are. not synonymous right like there's there. are two very different things and it's. interesting Michael malice uh has that. line where he goes uh. um he goes it's much easier to train a.

smart dog. and so like the idea is almost like. sometimes even being very intelligent. makes you more susceptible to propaganda. like it's easier to kind of like train. this the intelligent I think the real. problem is ego the people don't ever. want to admit they were wrong that's a. big part we were talking about this last. night about the importance of not being. married to your ideas your ideas are not. you they're just ideas and that you have. to recognize when you're holding on to.

ideas because you have made this. connection that you have said this thing. and this thing is a part of you and if. you say that this thing is incorrect. then you failed and you're wrong and. you're you're not as good as you were so. you try to find a way where you were. good you try to find a way where you can. kind of manipulate language and many and. maybe even. maybe even [ __ ] change the. information like let's imagine if the.

information was different yeah let's. imagine. if ten percent of the people die yeah. but they didn't yeah like if you're if. your argument is reduced to like okay. you made this point and you were right. and I made this point and I was wrong. but imagine a situation where your point. was wrong right and my point was right. how about now yeah let's not imagine. that let's let's just actually happened. and uh you should be apologizing yeah. it's like we could play your imagination. game in a few minutes but first let's. just talk about like what really.

happened right and who was right and who. was wrong and how are you discounting. this 40 increase in all-cause mortality. or whatever the [ __ ] it is what is it. now you know it depends upon the. statistics that you read but what is. it's like they're getting that from. insurance companies right where they're. they're they're trying to make an. assessment of like what's going on and. there's a lot of people that are very. nervous about this because what it what. is the increase in all-cause mortality.

right now I think it's like you know 18. to 59 or whatever the [ __ ] it is. there's some very bizarre increase yeah. and I've heard Neil deGrasse Tyson. trying to say well a lot of people were. drinking during the pandemic like. really. was there another thing that happened. too right that may be really crazy do. you imagine if so many people started. drinking there was a 40 increase in. all-cause mortality wouldn't there be. like shows about alcoholism like ladies.

and gentlemen like look at what's. happening to our country there's a 40. Inc imagine there was no pandemic. there's no vaccinations imagine all of a. sudden a 40 increase in all-cause. mortality and then you just kind of. casually say well I guess a lot more. people are drinking now and you're just. not and you're telling me and look by. the I'm not even like ruling out the. fact that okay I think alcohol. consumption maybe went up during the. lockdowns there should be a contributing. factor to this but you're telling me the. starting point has to be we rule out. this brand new like medical intervention.

like you can't look at that right you're. telling me that's the starting point is. that can't be part of the conversation. you're trying to do it come on or this. thing imagine if these were just. variables in an equation that you were. tasked with solving right why would you. ignore this very significant variation. yeah and and then the truth is like. whatever. the whatever the rate of vaccine injury. is like whatever whatever that number is.

and maybe it's not that high it's. something okay it is clearly something. right there are there are drugs clearly. there have been a large number of people. who have been injured by the vaccine and. then when you look at that and you go. look and you guys your position the. entire establishment position was. everyone should get it yeah everyone. should get it when there were clearly. cases where you really don't have an. argument you know like a healthy young. person who's already had covet there's. just no argument that they should take. on whatever that risk is for something.

that won't even prevent them from. getting coveted again right there's no. argument for that but you enforce that. on them you know you enforce like I know. um I I knew this uh this kid who's like. in grad school and um he got double. vaccinated because they were going to. kick him out of school if he didn't and. then he got covet and then a month later. they insisted he get a booster. like there's no there is no expert on. the planet who can give me a compelling. scientific uh uh answer you know reason. why that made any sense at all while you.

were doing anything other than to this. 26 year old kid making him take on. serious risk nothing better and you and. you insisted on this so now like it's. just crazy that you can't even. acknowledge that like yeah we did give. people like very in many cases very bad. medical advice that had the potential to. lead to them being injured yeah and in. many cases did yeah and no. accountability. and even I mean it was one of the. craziest moments of the entire pandemic.

was when you had a Gupta Dr Gupta from. CNN on here then he goes so are you. going to get vaccinated and you went no. just had covet why would I get it and he. really had no answer and this was during. the the vaccine passport time when they. were trying to force everyone to get it. and yet here was the CNN doctor and had. no response other to you then you know. yeah you got pretty good immunity maybe. get some more with the vaccine you know. well not only that he was just like he. had to admit that the immunity that was. imparted by overcoming an infection is.

better yeah so you didn't get coveted I. got coveted I recovered I'm in a better. position than you now and you're telling. me to do what you did right why and and. that the policy of the vaccine passports. is that he can enter a restaurant that. you're not allowed to enter now when we. all agree that you're in a better. position than him right how does that. make any sense because I didn't comply. and I'm a bad boy yep that's what it is. that's basically it that's literally. what it is like you should be a good guy. and join our team you know and I had.

smart people that I respect tell me I. should get vaccinated after I got over. coveted I'm like are you not paying. attention to any of this. like what why why are you giving me that. advice first of all. imagine if someone got something and. they got sick and they got over it and. then saying you can't do it that way you. should do it another way and you have to. do it our way and you got over it very. quickly too very quickly it's not like. you were like hospitalized or something. like dude I did 10 Rounds on the bag six.

days after I was infected yeah 10 Rounds. just to see what it felt like felt great. felt like zero impact I felt like [ __ ]. for a day and it's so I mean I know like. we've I think we mentioned this before. when I was on but me like it was one of. the episodes that I was on was back in. the height of it I don't know like three. times ago that I was out here what was. the one that went uh to fauci he. responded to you and the thing that they. found appalling was that your advice to.

young people was to be really healthy. yeah that you were like listen get. yourself in really good shape like. exercise a lot eat well get a lot of. sunlight if you can if you can't take. vitamin D you know what I mean like but. there were they were upset that I was. saying if you're a young person you're. like 21 years old or whatever don't do. it I don't think you need to do it no. your advice was was yeah I wouldn't you. to get the vaccine I'd tell you just be. really healthy. we actually knew the statistics of how. it affected young people and at the same.

time fauci was going door to door. and what he was telling people was you. got to take this vaccine and when they'd. give him pushback and say yeah but I. heard you can still get covet even after. you take the vaccine and he'd say in the. unlikely event that you get it it's. gonna be so mild you won't even know you. are sick. just lying to them and that that's not. like oh he got it wrong there was no. scientific evidence to like argue that. they never even tested it on. transmission when you go over the the.

trials that they did when they first. were investigating the efficacy of this. drug one of the people in the covet. group that got the vaccine died of covet. yeah so they knew that yep yep. two people. in the placebo group died of covid so. that's 100 that's how they came up with. the fact it sounds so crazy and I didn't. believe it when RFK Jr was saying it I. didn't believe that that was accurate. but then he actually sent me the the.

real paperwork and you read it and you. go wow that's really what it was there. was two people that died in the placebo. group one person died in the vaccinated. group and two is a hundred percent more. than one yep so that's how it's 100. effective in stopping deaf and so um so. I uh this guy uh Tom Woods I don't know. if you've ever heard of Tom Woods before. is it brilliant historian he does a. podcast called the Tom Woods show great. guy good friend of mine. um and uh he was like one of the loudest.

uh anti-lockdown voices back when the. lockdown started and like put did a. great job of like putting together all. the data and all the arguments on how. this isn't actually working and it's. like an insane policy and then was solid. on the vaccine and all that all the way. through he he told this story it was in. like his his newsletter that he writes. which uh was very interesting to me kind. of like demonstrated the whole like. where trust in the institutions is so he. was at um I don't know I think he's in. his uh in his 50s uh so he was at um a.

doctor's appointment he said and his. doctor was like oh you know uh because. your age or whatever you can get the uh. the shingles vaccine now. um so I'd recommend you get it it's 87. effective against uh shingles and he was. basically saying any time before the. last three years. I would have just gone okay. you know I trust I trust my doctor if I. say okay sure I don't want to get. shingles so I better take this vaccine. but now he goes I'm forced to go well. how did you come up with this number is. it like the ridiculous way you came up.

with the covet vaccine number so like no. I'm not gonna take that because now I. have to go and actually look into this. and and that's kind of I think where a. lot of people are like that's where I am. yeah that I would have always assumed. that like I don't know if my doctor's. telling me this he's done his research. he wouldn't just be telling me this. without having looked into it he knows. better than me about this field so I'll. say now I never trusted the CDC or you. know what I mean like I always knew. government entities were corrupt but I. figured my local doctor would kind of. like not just recommend something to me.

and that was a big thing that cobit. exposed that oh even that guy well and I. got in arguments with my kids. pediatrician over this where I had. clearly done more research than he had. like I knew [ __ ] that he didn't know and. he's recommending this to my kids you. know. um which was. insane. um but that's where like a lot of people. are at now well they're financially. incentivized and that's where it got. spooky they financially incentivized. people to Mark death as coveted deaths.

they financially incentivize initially. people putting on getting them put on. ventilators there was a lot of financial. incentives that went into this and I I. also wasn't aware you know. embarrassingly so that most hospitals. are just private businesses I never. thought of it that way I thought of a. hospital has got to be like something. that's set up entirely to make people. better and that's all they care about. there's not they're not trying to make. money. you know and it's not and it's even. worse than just like private businesses.

because they're private businesses in. this heavily corrupted regulated field. you know so even like down to like. certification of need uh legislation. where there have to you kind of have to. get approved by other hospitals in order. to open a hospital so they like kind of. keep their competition out and then they. try to like make as much money as they. can so yeah it's like it's all very. corrupt and very weird these crazy like. you know how it is with like these crazy. territories yeah yeah it's like it's. like Mafia [ __ ] almost like yeah you.

can't you think you're opening up a. hospital here boy I don't think so it's. it's so there's all this [ __ ] that just. makes the whole thing very corrupt and. of course the whole Insurance system is. very corrupt where it's this like very. phony uh uh Market of prices yeah where. like you're never seeing anything and. these prices are marked up super high so. like the doctors in the hospitals can. make money and the insurance companies. get reimbursed right but then they. charge you it in your premium so you're. totally removed from what the costs of. things actually are very very corrupt uh.

field and it's it's. insane because it's like yeah you're. like dude you're helping sick people. isn't this like why you went into. medicine is like to. to help people it all gets corrupted by. money yeah and power money and power you. know but the money thing is so spooky. the financial incentives to get people. to take medication that they might not. really need yeah and probably shouldn't. take and you know God damn I mean if if.

nothing else I really think it's great. that RFK is at least like getting a. conversation started on a lot of this. stuff because it seems like almost. nobody else was going to bring up this. stuff you know I I one of the things. that I thought was really interesting. about the um. the uh um the when you had him on the. podcast and that created like a huge you. know like storm and then there was a. thing with uh the Hotes guy refusing to. to come on and debate him when you. offered that the pot was up to like two. million dollars or something like that.

um and it's like it's funny how these. guys from like the medical establishment. who have been wrong about just about. everything throughout this pandemic I. mean there were I don't know if you saw. any of the compilation videos that were. made of that hotels guy going around. just like at every phase getting. everything wrong throughout this but. then still has the nerve to be like this. guy's spreading misinformation and it's. dangerous and all this refusing to come. have a conversation with him but you're. like okay so. um so here's RFK Jr and he's going look. America has the highest rate of chronic.

illness in the world okay autism spikes. through the roof in the last few decades. and he's his argument to me sounds that. that this isn't just that we started. diagnosing autism like because 50 of. autistic kids never develop language we. would have known this like we may not. have called it the right thing but we. would have noticed people who don't. develop language you know right and so. he's going so we have the highest rate. of of chronic illness in the world we. have autism shooting through the charts. and he's going look here are some.

potential culprits for that and so okay. if you think that's all crazy like okay. but but what is it. what is going on here because in um the. American political conversation this. never comes up nobody's ever bringing. this up I cannot think of a presidential. candidate who's ever mentioned once that. this is a thing right you know that. never comes up on CNN that no one wants. to talk about it so like at least he's. talking about like that seems by the way. I haven't really ever been talking about. that I don't know what the answer to any.

of it is someone should be bringing that. up I never even thought it was a. possibility until the pandemic until I. read his book when I read uh the real. Anthony fauci I was like wait wait what. did they do what did they do during the. AIDS crisis because that's what's. important that it's not just about. what's happening right now it's about. what they did when they pushed AZT. through yeah it's about what they did. when they were they were injecting these. foster kids with these experimental.

drugs and they died like that all that. stuff is true and it's and [ __ ]. terrifying and this is why hotels won't. come on this way he won't come on with. RFK yeah because he he knows that this. guy can go chapter and verse and he's. not like you can kind of push him on. defending his claims but then he gets to. push you on all this stuff yeah you know. and I don't even know hotels was. directly related to that but I know he's. in bed with that whole establishment. like he got funding from you know what I. mean like all the same groups and stuff. and like it's like okay so this is this.

is who you're working with these are the. talk the talking points that you're. parroting yeah and it's just it's all. the guy doesn't take vitamins doesn't. exercise eats junk food and he posts. pictures of him getting the RSV vaccine. it's like okay buddy. that's the way to do it he got the RSV. vaccine yeah posted a photo on Twitter. by the way he has it limited now the. only people he follows can respond so.

it's just like he's got this like little. Echo chamber he's got going on in his. his tweets now through the post me. inviting him to have a debate with RFK. dude the thing that drove me crazy about. that was that then he turned it around. and started playing the victim and going. you know uh like Joe Rogan has led this. this harassment campaign against me and. all these people on Twitter all day are. like you know like I'm being demonized. by this whole group and you sit there. and you go like yeah you know as an. unvaccinated person I have no idea what.

that's like yeah I have no idea what. it's like for you to like you know what. I'm saying not only that it's [ __ ]. because he said I had neo-fascist. leanings oh yeah yeah he'd been on the. podcast twice yeah and I've [ __ ]. chatted with the guy like like he knows. I'm not a [ __ ] fashion like what are. you saying you don't believe that you're. saying something you don't really. believe and you did it without like. mentioning me you know like with the app. mention you know somebody had to send it. to me and I was like this [ __ ]. like a Neo fascism you're telling me.

that the guy who is pushing forced. vaccinations on behalf of giant private. pharmaceutical companies is calling you. a neo-fascist yeah do you have any idea. what these terms even mean and who's. being the fascist here and who's not. but that's why I did it and even then I. didn't insult him. I'm very careful about that I don't do I. don't like to engage in that kind of. [ __ ] online I don't think it's healthy. for anybody even if I have bad feelings. towards a person I don't I'm not going.

to insult them like that yeah and they. were easy there were easy shots to go uh. after with the guy but it's good you. didn't I didn't insult him when he was. on my podcast he was telling me about. his [ __ ] diet no I didn't insult him. it's like. especially when I mean the contrast. between me and him physically. like someone who really does take care. of themselves and then being lectured by. someone who doesn't yeah that the only. way around that is vaccines there's only. one way there's this one solution to.

this problem this very complex problem. called the human immune system yeah and. 80 of the people hospitalized for covid. were obese something like that something. you know right. comorbidities the people that died like. some large number like more than 70. percent at four plus comorbidities if I. remember correctly it was like something. like 50 had four comorbidities or more. and then like 95 had at least one you.

know what I mean it was basically like. all the almost all the Cova deaths were. very sick people yeah um and so like you. would think yeah maybe that should at. least be part of the conversation right. and by the way for people that like to. cherry pick [ __ ] here no one is saying. covet was nothing no one no people say. oh you're saying that cover was nothing. and the vaccines were bad nope not. saying that I never said that what I'm. saying is it's really bad for people.

that are sick already for sure people. that have weak immune systems it was. really bad but don't pretend that. everyone's the same yes so I I would say. that covet if you were covet was a nasty. virus and if you were uh very older and. and or very sick you really did not want. to get this thing especially the early. strains of it you really did not want to. get this thing. um and I think that there is an argument. that early on if you were uh very old.

and very sick and had never had covet. that maybe it did make sense for you. yeah to get the vaccine I think it did. make sense you know a lot of people. offered some level of protection. initially so so there was other things. they could have done as well sure but. but just because it makes sense for that. one group you cannot extrapolate from. that now that it makes sense for every. group and the the ones that are the most. obvious would be like if you're like a. young healthy person who's already had. covet right because in that case no it.

doesn't it just doesn't make sense for. you not only that these same people that. are pro-vaccine. anti-doing anything else where is your. outrage about this lab leak where is. your outrage about the source of this. thing why are you upset at the people. that are getting sick or the people that. choose not to do some sort of. experimental medical intervention and. choose to try to survive it just with.

natural immunity and do so yeah where is. your outrage about the source of this. thing which is the whole reason it. happened in the first place why people. were forced to make these choices to. take this experimental vaccine the whole. thing was about this one virus that got. released that clearly seems to have some. connection to gain a function research. that was funded by fauci yeah and funded. by the NIH at the very least the lab was.

clearly funded by subsidiaries of the. Nia but that's that's just factually. true the lab was funded by subsidiaries. of the NIH and. it looks overwhelmingly like that's. where it looks like originated it also. looks like they tried to cover it up for. a very specific degrees and they clearly. tried to cover it up and they actually. clearly had his guys writing papers. about how it couldn't be from the lab. that they've all had to kind of retract. now because it's like it wasn't actually. a scientific argument they just wanted. to dead this story and that thought she. was the guy who signed off on the uh the.

exception that Obama had basically uh. banned gain of function research and. that Dr fauci himself was the one who. signed off on you know for the first. SARS thing for uh this being an. emergency use and so he had so a lot of. blame Falls at his feet and then you go. like oh this kind of explains in a. different way why this guy was so. willing to be out there saying No this. is the only solution this is the only. thing to focus on this is what we have. to do it's like oh yeah because you.

actually have a lot of culpability in. this whole thing yeah. just sucks it sucks to be a [ __ ]. human being right now having to navigate. all this [ __ ] like what are these people. that aren't you or me and not most. people what are the what the [ __ ] are. they doing what the [ __ ] are they doing. in every single realm of this. conversation what the [ __ ] are they. doing not one group not one person is.

doing something that's you go oh I like. that this is a good step in the right. direction this is the right way to do it. like they had to [ __ ] be forced out. of the lockdowns it had to be a. situation where they were like realized. look you can't sustain this forever we. have to go back like people kicking and. screaming well meanwhile in some places. like Florida and Texas they never did. anything they stopped barely stopped. very quickly very quickly a few weeks of. okay lockdown and okay what's really.

going on let's look at the actual data. Sweden who didn't do uh lockdowns had. the lowest excess mortality in all of. Europe you know I mean there's just like. lot like clearly this that didn't work. um and yeah dude there's just there's a. thing right now again I'll mention again. I think this is something that that kind. of uh Richmond north of Richmond like I. think this is why that song caught so. much fire is like that there's there's a. really large group I don't know if we're. a majority I think we are a majority of.

the country but a large enough group. that you're talking about like at least. like a hundred million like people in. this country who like just don't want to. do this yeah and I mean that in a lot of. different ways like we don't want to. keep fighting Wars everywhere around the. world like we're over that why are we. always looking for another war to fight. can we have five years with no war is. that like too much to ask like literally. can we just put a few years together. where we're not involved in a mass. murder campaign somewhere you know we. don't want to go back to covid. restrictions we don't want to live that.

way we want to like raise our kids and. do what we do and like you know what I. mean like enjoy our lives yeah um we. don't want to like indoctrinate children. with this insane gender ideology you. know what I mean like we don't want that. and there's so there's a large. percentage of us and yet the it's it's. being forced you know like we're being. forced to live in this world and for the. most part. I think it's like most of the people in. this group just kind of want their. freedom. we're like you know like I don't care so.

much what other people like if you want. to go live a different way that's fine. if you guys want to all go do lockdowns. somewhere fine they're just like don't. force us into this. um and and at least what I think is the. positive. out of that is that like. there are a lot of people who are really. serious about it and I think um I think. there was something really positive. about the um the Bud Light boycott thing. and the the target boycott uh thing. where it's like there's gotta be we have. to have some mechanism by which we can.

actually like. give a black eye to one of these. powerful organizations who are trying to. force something onto you that you don't. want yeah you know what I mean and it. seems like oh that actually maybe kind. of worked a little bit maybe they will. back off with that you know what I mean. at least in those areas well I think. that's what people were trying to do. that elect Trump yeah that's I think. that's what they're trying to do they. were trying to say like this is. different this is I don't like what you. guys do this is different this guy's. outside of it he knows how it runs yeah.

maybe he's got his own problems but at. least he's different he's different than. this thing that you're going to keep. doing forever and ever and ever and man. doesn't piss you off yeah and he pisses. off the people who you're furious at. right and he goes this is a big this is. a big black eye for you this is like. really like oh man the guy who you told. you look so stupid now because you told. everyone he couldn't possibly win we had. this end of the world podcast in 2016 at. The Comedy Store live podcast during the. election and uh then afterwards it was.

it was a lot of fun but afterwards we're. all in the back back bar watching Jake. Tapper have to sort of like solemnly. declare that Donald Trump looks like. he's going to be the president of the. United States you know it's and it's not. it's it's very clear that they're upset. with this which is interesting because. like the why isn't the news supposed to. be the news right like this is this. who's winning this is how he won looks.

like he won Iowa he won this he won that. look he's the new president okay so now. we have the new president is uh Donald. Trump let's see what happens it wasn't. that it was just like this solemn moment. where these people had to eat crow yeah. it's like I I there was a lot to that I. mean look part of the thing is just that. Trump was determined it was determined. by the powers that be you know with the. corporate media the Deep State all of. the establishment that he was. unacceptable and that's not new to.

Donald Trump there were a lot of. candidates who have been determined to. be unacceptable Ron Paul was was. unacceptable Bernie Sanders was. unacceptable Tulsi gabbard was. unacceptable and you saw like the. machine be weaponized against all of. them to keep them out but Trump beat the. machine the difference is Trump won one. I mean there's other differences but but. the guy who they determined was not. acceptable ended up winning and part of. what was so powerful about that. is that it kind of destroyed the.

um the illusion of inevitability that I. think progressives rely on that you know. like progressives will very confidently. tell you that you're on the wrong side. of History. you know which is like a really. interesting thing to say if you think. about it like you're on the wrong side. of History meaning like it's a guarantee. that history is moving in my direction. and I'm telling you how you will be. judged in the future based off how you. feel right now and they kind of have. good reason to feel that way because. they have been kind of moving in the.

direction that they want to move in but. it was just like. we just had the first black president. and now we will have the first female. president and of course uh you know this. throwback bigot uh male chauvinist. Donald Trump could never possibly win. like this is what's going to happen in. history now is Hillary Clinton is the. next president how is it not happening. how are they going to stop him from. winning again. I uh they're trying oh yeah that's what. all these uh indictments are right now. the problem is it has the opposite.

effect on his base. it doesn't make people reluctant it. makes people more convinced that there's. a conspiracy against him it makes people. more convinced that there's corruption. that's fighting against him I I think. personally that Trump was at his most. vulnerable within the Republican primary. at the very beginning. um I thought he for the first time to me. he seemed like he was very out of step. with his own base he's sitting there. still bragging about operation warp.

speed and how he saved hundreds of. millions of lives by developing the. vaccine he was getting booed a few times. at his own speeches. um he just seemed kind of out of touch. and it seemed like you know it seemed. like the energy of his campaign wasn't. 2016 which was make America great again. this was like my Vengeance tour they. screwed me I lost but I really won we're. gonna I'm gonna come back and win again. and it seems to me like that wasn't. really connecting and then you know this.

before DeSantis got in the race but it. was heavily speculated that he would be. getting in the race and you know he was. like this guy who has a very good record. on covid at least compared to all the. other Governors just about all the other. Governors. um and there there just seemed to me. like there was an open there was like a. vulnerability and then they rated his. house in Mar-A-Lago. and I felt like that that guaranteed. Trump front run like that that. guaranteed it for him because as soon as. they did that it was like oh now it's. like it's it's shifted right back to. this like look what they're doing to.

your guy they want to not give you the. chance to vote for this guy they're. going to weaponize the justice system. against this guy because you like him. they're not and they're doing it to him. because they want to do it to you it. kind of gave him like all this energy. back and so there's a real Dynamic to. that where his numbers go up every time. a new indictment comes out yeah people. aren't buying into it because it's not. like. you know look it's just so obvious that. it's politicized you know the. interesting thing there's an interesting. thing about the law like people have. this conception of what the law is and. then there's the reality of it like.

people have this conception of like. there's a rule written written down on a. piece of paper and that's the rule if. you break that rule you broke the law if. you don't break that rule you didn't. break the law but that's not really how. it works it's like in the same way like. down to the lowest level if you get. pulled over by a cop you know there's. times where he could give you a ticket. or he could let you off with a warning. you know and like sometimes it's just. how that guy feels right maybe he knew. you right maybe stuff she goes oh [ __ ]. Joe Rogan I'll let John for the warrant. you know what I mean like there could be. so many different factors well like just. just for example okay so um uh James.

Clapper you know he was the uh the. Director of National Intelligence as. basically the head of the Shadow. government that's the highest position. in the Deep State you're that the CIA. answers to you you know you oversee the. CIA in the NSA and FBI and all this. stuff and he lied to Congress very. blatantly like no question about it he. was asked point blank is the NSA. involved in any bulk data collection on. American citizens said no we're not.

doing that then Ed Snowden came out and. exposed that he clearly was he was the. the dni like he knew this okay he lied. to Congress. why isn't he arrested for it it's like. because there's no political will to. arrest that guy he's of the deep State. he's one of the top guys that he's not. getting arrested now Michael Cohen lied. to Congress he got a month wrong when he. was talking about uh a deal that that he. was working on for Trump he said it. happened in you know June but it was. really in January or something like that. he got charged with that and because. they wanted to put pressure on him to.

get him to flip on Donald Trump which he. did. um so that's it's not like there are. crimes that are committed all the time. there's just no political will there's. no desire to arrest that person and I. think the thing that's wild about this. with Trump is that if you think of all. the crimes that presidents have. committed. the idea that this is what one of them. is actually going to go down for is. insane like Bush instituted torture. you know what I mean Obama murdered. American citizens without charges.

these guys lied us into Wars by the way. every war is illegal you know the the. supreme law of the land is the. Constitution and it says only Congress. can declare war the last declared war. was World War II. every war since then has been an illegal. War anyone could be arrested for this at. any time so it's it's the the legal. defense is that they're military actions. not Wars do you know that thing in. Vietnam it probably smelled like a war. to you but not not a war Korea wasn't a. war Iraq wasn't a war Afghanistan Libya.

Syria Somalia Yemen none of those. rewards you know it's anyone if there. was any political will any one of these. presidents could be arrested for for any. number of crimes and yet they're not but. yet Trump. didn't give back the classified. information quickly enough even after. they asked him up he's got a he's got to. be indicted for that even though other. presidents have done pretty much the. same thing no he's got to be indicted. for that what is the the Georgia thing. is interesting because he was going to. have a press conference where he was.

going to reveal all of the information. that proves that he was telling the. truth about the Georgia election being. rigged yeah he didn't have the press. conference yes well this is a thing that. I gotta say is a kind of knock on Trump. here that you know this is a thing his. lawyers uh Sydney Powell and Rudy. Giuliani who just turned himself in uh. uh into custody today. um but they they would always say this. after 2020. we have proof that millions. of votes were stolen from Donald Trump.

and will be releasing this soon and then. it just never kind of comes so I don't. know what he thinks he's going to tell. us about that the issue with the thing. in Georgia where I I will grant there's. like a little bit of a gray area there. um and I think that look it's there. there is a gray area there it's kind of. like when they impeach Trump over. Ukraine there was like a little bit of a. gray area of like what exactly he did. it's just that when you look at things. of all the crimes that presidents. commits the idea that you go after a. present for this it's so petty compared. to these greater crimes but like.

he kind of he called the Secretary of. State in Georgia and was kind of like I. need you to find me these votes but he. was saying he was like look there's been. fraud I know there's been fraud you got. to go look for and the guy's like I. don't see any evidence that there's. fraud here and he's like find it I know. there's fro you know. he was putting pressure on the guy to go. look but it's not as if he was telling. the guy I need you to commit fraud right. he wasn't telling him I want you to flip. votes or I want you to manipulate. something he's like I want you to go. find where the fraud is right because I.

so you'd almost have to prove that he. didn't really believe that right in. order to prove you know you know because. if there was really fraud he has every. right to tell the guy to go find it. right so now so now they're arguing that. he didn't and in the indictment they. argue that he knew it. and he was uh like he knew that there. was no fraud but was still trying to get. the guy to go find it. and the case that they're using to argue. that is that he had advisors around him. who told him that the election was legit.

the problem with that is that that. doesn't prove at all that Trump believed. those guys just because they told him. that right if there's one thing I'm. fairly confident in I believe Donald. Trump believes he won the election in. 2020. yeah my position has always been we all. have to agree that election fraud is not. zero percent it's not zero and everyone. agrees to that do you think there's any. election fraud at all yeah probably at. some level there's probably some.

campaign workers that have a vested. interest in one party or another like a. lot of these people that are working in. these uh election offices are very. biased right they're very politically. active and they're probably not agnostic. in their political beliefs they're. probably pretty steadfast in that this. is whether it's Republicans Or democrats. that this is the guy that I want and if. there is a way where you you know you're. getting some votes from a particular.

County that might be blue or a. particular County that might be red and. you can [ __ ] around and you're some. person who really believes you're on the. right side of History especially with. like how white hot politics are now at. the moment where people who you know. hate Donald Trump hate them so much look. at this a sampling of recent election. fraud cases from across the United. States the Heritage foundation's. election fraud database presents a. sampling of recent proven instances of.

election fraud from across the country. each and every one of these cases in. this database represents an instance. which in which a public official usually. a prosecutor thought it's serious enough. to act upon it and each and every one. ended in finding that the individual had. engaged in wrongdoing in connection with. an election hoping to affect its outcome. or that the results of an election were. sufficiently in question and had to be. overturned so look at this so it says.

here. there's. 1438 proven instances of voter fraud. 1240 criminal convictions 48 civil. penalties 108 diversion program judicial. finding official funding okay so it's. showing that there's at least it's not. zero right and and that you could argue. in the country as big as ours wouldn't. even be that bad if that's all there was.

but those are just the proven cases so. then you're left to wonder how many. people right how many go unproven yeah. and and we don't know exactly what that. answer is but my my thing is more like I. think if you zoom out and you just say. okay what was the year that was 2020. well okay coming into 2020 Donald Trump. is the president. um he's uh he's presiding over what is. he would describe as a white hot economy.

um where there was very low uh. unemployment there were there were. certain tangible things he could point. to and say look this has really worked. out for the economy. is that because of the policies of the. Obama Administration about they were. coming to fruition or is it because of. direct changes that he made uh so I. would say a mix of both. um but the I would argue that it was. kind of a bubble economy still. um and that it was still propped up off. very low interest rates and very high uh. government spending and that you can. make things look good on charts when.

things are like that but I would argue. that he hadn't really fixed like the. major underlying problems in the economy. but he did have some pretty significant. deregulation in the energy sector he did. pass some very uh significant uh uh. corporate tax cuts and I think those. things were very good for business. um so kind of a mix of both but you have. that's the starting point of of 2020. Donald Trump bragging you know you brag. about the lowest African-American. unemployment the lowest Latino no.

unemployment and how great the economy. was and how he's doing all these great. things he was poised to have an. excellent shot at being reelected and. then you have. the economy destroyed by government. imposition like even if you think the. lockdowns were the right things to do. the fact is that through State Governors. decided we're tanking our economy like. we're closing down our economy and then. you had a Summer full of the biggest. Riots of my lifetime which were.

sponsored not only. um financially where you had big. powerful groups paying bail for rioters. to get out of uh jail but also just. backed completely backed by the entire. corporate press you know this is the. voice of the unheard fiery but mostly. peaceful just making every excuse for. these rioters going on in almost every. major city across the country during. this whole time. anybody who wanted to speak out against. this was often censored for doing so if.

you wanted to speak out against the. lockdowns or against black lives matter. or any of this stuff you might lose uh. social media you might lose your job. Mass a bigger censorship campaign than. we've really ever had before this is all. going on that year and then they. announce that we are overhauling the way. we do elections. and for the first time we're letting. everyone vote by mail not just the. absentee ballots for like military. personnel as but everyone can just vote. by mail now a way that we were never. okay with doing it before because we.

would have been very concerned about. fraud but now we're all going to do that. so in this like revolutionary Year we're. overhauling how we do everything and. then you have the thing with the hunter. Biden laptop story being censored and. then the result is that Joe Biden wins. the election. given all of those factors there's just. no conceivable way that an overwhelming. majority of trump voters weren't gonna. feel like this thing was stolen right. it's just look at all the like. fundamentals of what happened that year.

and even if you really really don't like. Donald Trump how could you look at all. those fundamentals and not go okay I see. where. I'd see where with all of that that was. fertile soil for belief that this thing. was stolen from them yeah you know it. was a pretty crazy thing and the problem. the thing and I think we're past the. point of no return on this For Better or. For Worse is that even if you think. Donald Trump committed all of these. crimes and that it's right for them to. bring down all these indictments at.

least acknowledge that this is. it's kind of over for the right half of. America to ever believe in this process. again because the way they're going to. look at this is like oh look you. wouldn't give them a fair shot again. like once again you wouldn't just let. him have a fair shot you wouldn't just. let the American people vote which is so. if you believed in democracy if you. believe in this country if you believe. in trying to unite Us in any way. wouldn't it be so obvious at this point. like it's not as if every one of the. charges Donald Trump is being faced with.

is like some novel legal Theory where. they're twisting a statute to try to. make him guilty of this crime it's a. very gray area at best wouldn't you just. go look we're going to have a national. referendum on this in November let the. American people decide which side you. know what I mean which side are they on. of this and then we could give this. democracy thing a shot and see who wins. but if you do it like this. then basically the entire right half of. America Now doesn't believe this game is. real anymore they don't really believe. they're in a democracy where they get to.

pick who they want to vote for because. they're like no we picked this guy and. you screwed him out of it now by the way. I'm not saying that's a bad thing maybe. it's better that they don't believe in. the system anymore because the system is. [ __ ]. so. Richmond north of Richmond that's right. yeah I want Total Control oh. it's a great song it's a great song it's. just bizarre that this conversation. doesn't happen more often. but this uh this kind of. like open laying out of the basic facts.

of what happened. because it's all just narratives it's. all just left-wing talking points and. right wing talking points and. just so much confusion. so much noise yeah and like there's so. it's it's weird because everyone does. get so dug in I I do think like one of. the advantages I have of like at least I. think personally of like thinking about. all these things is that I'm not on a.

team. like I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. and I'm not like I I I base my basic. view is that all these politicians are. criminals you know and like and so I'm. not like. at least I try my best to be like let me. understand what's happening here I'm I'm. more or less I'm on the side of the. American people and against the American. political class you know like that's. kind of my bias if anything. um but it's just people get so dug in. that they're just gonna jump to their. points that'll shape their narrative and. the truth is that look what happened.

like January 6th say look what's easy to. put in the rear view mirror that. everybody's kind of forgetting about is. that they were boarding up Washington DC. and not out of concern of Biden winning. you know like they were boarding up all. the stores in downtown Washington DC. because they were scared of trump. winning right and they were scared. people were gonna Riot and there would. have they would have y'all people were. celebrating in the streets in New York. City that were ready to Riot yes you. know and like so the thing is that there.

okay January 6 happened when Biden won. but a whole bunch of rioting and stuff. would have happened if Trump had won the. truth is that the country was just at a. point that no matter what happened there. it. it was going to be somewhat ugly if I. was if Trump wins in 2024 the the way I. would I would like legitimately think if. you looked at how it went down it's. almost better for us as the the American. people to see all the steps that they.

did to interfere with the public. Narrative of who he is and the election. whether it's the hunter Biden laptop. thing or the Russia collusion thing it's. almost better for us to see that naked. and then also see them push Biden. through Biden get in and see what a. disaster it is it's I think it's better. to see if I was in Trump's Camp I would. say look this is other than the. indictments and all this all the crazy.

it's actually better this way because. now people have a real understanding. that at least some of the things that he. was saying are accurate The Witch Hunt. thing accurate. the the Russia collusion [ __ ]. yeah it's all it's accurate like and no. one's admitting that and people see it. and they know it and it scares the [ __ ]. out of them it scares the [ __ ] out of. them that they just want to continue. doing this to us and if they're doing if. they did it with 100 Biden laptop thing. what else what else are they doing it.

about what do they it's also and I think. for for. People Like Us I think it's it's hard to. exactly understand because you're also. talking about the Donald Trump. supporters are are generally speaking. not our our demographic exactly like. it's they're a different type of people. you know like we're not like um uh like. lifelong Republicans conservative you. and I are not but although we do get. labeled right wing yeah but that's never. a bizarre reason that's all just stupid. you know what I mean like that's that's.

ridiculous but like they say like the um. the Tea Party type people or the the. Conservative Republican type people are. different like like I'm like a Jewish. kid from Brooklyn New York raised by a. single mom I'm just a culturally a. different thing than most of them are. and you know and and you are like you. were raised by like hippies in. California right like it's a different. thing than went to Boston like you're. not like it's just culturally different. but these people like the ones who went. to the Tea Party Like These conservative.

Republicans these were the people who. like carried around pocket.com. institutions with them you know what I. mean like they really believed in the. system yeah in a much different way than. than people who have more of a liberal. background ever did you know these were. people who like believed in country God. Law and Order you know what I mean like. these and for them I think it's a whole. different thing to see that these. institutions were poisoned against their. guy. and that they're all corrupt it's truly.

like whoa this is this is like a. devastating thing I think it's. disillusioning in a very powerful way. that's tough for a lot of us to. understand when they see that you're. like you're telling me the FBI. was framing the president. because they loved the FBI they were the. biggest offenders of the FBI these were. the guys who would stand in line with. them as as recently as when George W. Bush was president right not like that. long ago right you know and so I think a. lot of This was um. it was very it was very revealing for.

them so I remember which was it always. made me laugh but it was think Sean. Hannity said. um at some point during the Russia gate. thing and he goes uh he goes for the. first time in American history the FBI. has been politicized. [Laughter]. yeah that like but that summed up almost. the conservative view of it you know. what I mean that it's like but this. isn't you're like yep actually. the entire history of it has been this. but okay I'm glad at least you're waking.

up now to the fact that this wasn't just. like oh no these are the good guys you. know it's not that simple isn't it wild. too that Hoover was just such a freak. yeah it was a freak cross-dressing. [ __ ] psychopath [ __ ] got all the. dirt on everybody and did one to have. the dirt on him yep because he was dirty. and had a lot of that but that's like. it's like when you're and also you got a. picture of this like being in like you. know like the 1930s or 40s or 50s or. whatever you know that in his whole. Reign. um like cross-dressing back then it was.

a lot more a lot worse than what crossed. like that's real dirt you know and so if. you're doing that cross-dressing now. will get you in the body Administration. oh. Christy promotion yeah I mean that's. that Sam Britton it's like yeah uh but. back then it was like so he you know. right away he was like I need a lot of. dirt on everyone else yeah because if. anyone finds out about this also there. had to be like some guilt aspect that. made doing dirty things even more. exciting yeah because you know that. you're like supposedly exposing that in.

other people but you're guilty of it. yourself and you're out there and it's. women's shoes and and yeah and also just. like you know spying on civil rights. leaders and encouraging them to commit. suicide the letter that they sent to uh. Martin Luther King. and they sent his wife an audio tape. right of uh I think they sent him an. audio tape of him like having an affair. or something they did some crazy [ __ ]. crazy [ __ ]. um but that and it's interesting too.

that like it because it kind of. represents the whole transformation like. in the 20th century there's this real. transformation of like what the United. States of America's federal government. is and J Edgar Hoover was there for a. really interesting part of that with the. FBI where they start off as just this. like basically there was no. constitutional Authority for a federal. police so they kind of start off as like. they're like basically have like a pad. of paper and a pen like you can go. around and ask questions they didn't. have guns they didn't have a resting. power they had like nothing and then by.

the end of his term it's the [ __ ] FBI. you know what I mean like what we know. today yeah but that's kind of like the. story of America it's a very it's a. really fascinating story where we start. as the the smallest most restrained. government in the history of the world. and no other experiment like it you know. it's like the the the government is the. whole Constitution is basically telling. the government what it can't do you know. and that like dividing these powers and. then we have the Bill of Rights which is. like all basically you know Congress.

can't do this government can't do this. you can't do this you can't do it like. this the whole thing is basically. telling the government what it can't do. and so we have this experiment in. limited government and if you look at. like the period between the end of the. Civil War. and uh like 19 let's say let's say 1865. to 1912. you have this period where it's probably. the largest experiment in a free market. uh capitalism in human history like the.

the America the federal spending was. nothing it was like two percent of the. national income uh there you had no. income tax at no Central Bank uh no. Federal Regulation is just like very. free market conditions and it builds up. like the richest most powerful. government in the history of the world. and it's so rich and Powerful compared. to every other country that then they. can kind of get away with like all right. well. now we go to the Progressive Era like. let's let's have an income tax and let. go but and the way the income tax was.

sold in 1913 1914 1914 I believe was uh. they go well listen this is only going. to apply to like the richest people and. it'll only be like one or two percent of. their income you know we'll just take a. little bit from them and help the little. guys out that's how it starts that grows. and grows and grows and then you have. the Federal Reserve that grows and grows. and grows and then you get into World. War one and now you have the security. apparatus growing and then there's World. War II you know and then and you know. there's the depression uh in in between. uh World War one and World War II and. what does that mean well that means we. need a new deal we need more government. we need more regulation you know then.

you get into World War II we create the. CIA we create all of a sudden you have. like this deep State forming we drop two. nukes on uh Japan now we're the bad. [ __ ] We Run the World you know. what I mean and then just more and more. and more you come back home it's like uh. uh in the 60s they have like the the. real rise of like the the Great Society. the welfare state the all and just all. this [ __ ] that what started as the. smallest government ever just balloons. and balloons and balloons and now you. have it and it the biggest government in. the history of the world and that's like. where we're at now went from this.

experiment in tiny government to this. experiment in the biggest most powerful. government in human history and some. people think the solution to our. problems is to expand it yeah yeah all. right it's wild it is so wild it's wild. I'm looking at the uh Jay Edgar Hoover. yeah cross-dressing thing is it fake it. might be fake really yeah that makes. sense nah dude they put it in the movie. the movie so it must be real yeah one. person who said she saw him somewhere. wasn't there photos no I'm look there's.

no photos is that true yeah was that all. oh man it might be made up it says it. might be this lady was trying to sell. the story to Esquire for a while and. then someone printed it in a biography. about him. 1972. so how did they put it in the. movie there's a lot of rumors about his. relationship I'll say with uh an eight. of his well he was always single right. what was going on with it he was very. private person this is like this is just. like what happens with myth and gossip. yeah talk [ __ ] about him and the guy. printed and all of a sudden perhaps well.

whatever he spied on MLK and now we're. all gonna call him a cross-dresser. cross-dressing psychopath there's a. story even this is more fun if he's a. cross-dresser it says he went to a. restaurant with his friend in a skirt. the other guy was in a dress the hostess. wouldn't let him in and it almost sounds. like that doesn't sound believable to me. um yeah I don't buy he went to a. restaurant like that that seems yeah. they said you saw him at a private party. at the New York Plaza Hotel was a big. orgy and it's like how many of those are. real. so we know Epstein's Island's real and I.

used to think that was [ __ ] Insanity. Alex Jones is telling me about that over. a decade ago. they compromise people on this island. they get them go there these little hot. girls they look hot but they're 16. tell. me this whole thing I was like what is. the thing about Alex Jones is that he'd. always have this method of like he'd. like throw he throws a lot of [ __ ] at. the wall they're trying the frog is gay. yeah but that one turned out to be right. too or more or less kind of right you. know yeah maybe trans whatever the frogs. are it's doing something changing their.

sex yeah. um but like he'd so and by the way the. thing is that there's there's too many. people like Alex Jones was right and. there are a lot of things he was right. about but there's also a ton of things. he was wrong about that he's just say. with certainty like and I have the. information I have all this and this and. he's like this just none of this is true. I remember right after 9 11 he was going. into this thing about how we're going to. get in a nuclear war because Iran. already has the nukes and they're going. to use them I had this whole thing about. how like he goes Iran has nuclear. weapons I have the documents to prove.

this we've got the sources off the. Record but and there's just none of that. was right you know but then there's like. the thing that he's right about like. being right about the Epstein Island. thing is so [ __ ] crazy so wild wild. and then he was also right about. Bohemian Grove yep yeah that's people. forget about that I mean he was in. Bohemian Grove in like the 90s when they. filmed all that yeah it's which is you. watch that ceremony like. what are you doing like what do you guys.

are dressing up like Druids and you're. you're you're burning an effigy in front. of an owl God yeah and you're speaking. on loudspeakers about this owl God molec. this is really what they do yeah this is. what they do unreal and uh it's like I'm. not saying that we're living in this. like um. like this biblical world where there is. like well well I'm not saying that there. is a God and a Satan.

um I'm not saying there's not. I mean I believe in God. um but I I'm saying they believe they're. living in this world and they believe. they're like on team Satan or something. like that because they do it is very. bizarre I know these are the type of. things that you're not allowed to bring. up because oh now you're a Nutty. conspiracy theorist but we have proof of. this happening it's not Bohemian Grove. isn't just like we have actual video. footage of it we don't know everyone. who's there we know Nixon was there and. we know he said uh look it was the. fagotiest thing he's ever seen in his.

life and he wanted to wash his hands or. yeah he didn't want to shake people's. hands there like this is all real and it. does look like when we played that clip. before of Madeleine Albright being like. Yeah The 500 000 dead children that's. worth it like the price is worth it it. does kind of like you you start to kind. of ask these questions where you're like. Okay so let's there are these people who. are comfortable. making decisions that lead to the deaths. of hundreds of thousands of children and. we know in many cases they're making. these decisions based off uh profit.

and you're like isn't it so Titanic yeah. like so who is that person right like. who the [ __ ] is that person is it like. they just do that at work and then they. clock out and they're just like us or. are they clocking out and doing some. weird ritual at the Bohemian Grove you. know what I mean and when Andreessen. Mark Andreas was on he brought up this. he was the one that brought up the. um Satanist who was also the rocket. scientist right. at Los Alamos labs. was that him that brought that up no no.

it wasn't you know who it was it was uh. uh the opposite of Mark Andreessen it. was a python cowboy. rights played the cowboy the guy who. that's who it was. um Andreessen brought up the nuclear. tests about how the videos are weird of. uh the nuclear test like there's a truck. behind this building and then all of a. sudden a truck disappears. like it's very weird or the truck. appears like if I forget which one but.

it's like and also like how are they. filming this and there's all these. conspiracies he wasn't saying it was. real but he's like the conspiracies are. that this is all rigged that it was fake. but there was a guy who was they they. they were doing this thing where they. were moving pythons from this uh place. in Florida. and they got to this place and he found. and he took all this video footage of. his elaborate Satanic ritual uh setup.

that they had down there where they had. things written on the wall in Latin and. they had a girl's bloody dress and they. had a a chair that was covered in. something red and they're they're trying. to figure out what the [ __ ] was going on. and they he wound up getting out of. there but then he found out that the. history of that lab itself that the guy. who founded that lab was an open. Satanist Jack Parsons Jack Parsons pull.

up that those articles about him yeah. because we were playing it during the. show it's like what so this guy was. involved in this. nuclear weapons lab and he's also an. open Satanist. like what yeah that is [ __ ] ing would. wear the [ __ ] outfits and go to these. things and this was in like the 19th was. it the 50s. and it doesn't make you wonder to some. degree you're like are you like. is there really a Satan and are you.

really a part of his thing or is this. just some weird game you're playing yeah. like look how these [ __ ] people would. dress man look how insane this is. go to that article. so the article is so bizarre sex rocket. science isn't Satanism meet NASA's real. hidden figures satanism. satanism. I mean what.

and this guy was a part of their program. and he was [ __ ] openly in the Church. of Satan like look how they would dress. I said it was like walking into a. Fellini movie like what the [ __ ] what. the [ __ ] man. look at all these people these are the. people that were responsible for this. like Aleister Crowley oh my god well. even like um how insane are these. [ __ ] people with with the Epstein. thing was I mean I guess it's not it's. not exactly this but you remember the um.

like the pictures the paintings that. they found from him there's one with. George W Bush when he's like a little. kid and he's playing with the blocks. that are in the towers yeah and then. there's like the what is it Bill Clinton. in a dress or something like that okay. it's not exactly Satan's ship but it's. still just kind of this weird like well. what his things to me was like clear. that like you're you have the president. in a [ __ ] dress and we've talked. about this this is like a little [ __ ]. screenshot of me talking about it with. Duncan we're like that is to me I got.

you. yes I got you [ __ ] and the George W. bush one seems to be kind of like uh. different but a similar like this idiot. has no idea what the [ __ ] going on. exactly he's got a doofus looking look. on his face and but it's the planes in. Two Towers right I mean that seems to be. like a 911 yeah right and if you're a. guy who is supposedly the the conspiracy. is that he was he was part of the. intelligence agency that he was. something the Mossad or something. combination of those two if you're that.

guy you probably get like a real thrill. out of having all this dirt on these. incredibly important people and then. have like pictures of them looking. stupid in your house and yeah yeah well. you wonder like I don't know there's. there's just kind of room to speculate. about it but. you wonder if. there is not there's probably a benefit. to having very powerful people who have. you have dirt on them right so if you.

let's say you take something like um. like pedophilia and that is a thing that. I don't know maybe 99 of people. are want you dead. if you are that you know what I mean. like it's like the thing that even in. prison like you will get like murdered. for being that even amongst other. violent criminals there's this code that. you don't do that and most people are. not violent criminals really you know. what I mean like so if you are let's say.

a pedophile. and you know that about someone. you own them now and that's kind of what. the Jeffrey Epstein's thing seems to be. like not even that they were pedophiles. I think in some cases they're tricked. into it you know you get like 16 year. olds you dial them up so they look like. they're in their 20s you that you bring. the guy to party with them sure the next. day you're like oh she was 16 I have it. on tape and you're going to be voting. yes on the legislation next week tight. deal but you could see where let's say. you were very a very powerful interest.

behind the scenes you could see where if. there were people who say were. pedophiles or who like cheated on their. wives or just you had dirt on them where. you'd be interested in promoting that. person because now you can control them. much more easily right and so that just. it would you could see where it would. maybe come to be that they would kind of. like these really sick [ __ ] up people. in these positions of power because then. they're that much easier to control 100. that makes sense it makes sense you got.

dirt on them yeah you know makes sense. and and there but there does seem to be. like a I mean the um this was so so. weird I forget who uh who tweeted this I. apologize man because I should give you. credit because it's such a good tweet. but someone said uh someone tweeted that. pizza gate aged better than russiagate. which is just like the best like it's. just so funny when you think about it. like that that there was this wild. conspiracy theory in 2016 that when the.

podesta emails got dumped that last one. Michael Mouse. oh was that my was that malice I mean I. don't know if he was the first one to. talk to him I don't know I don't know. yeah. something malice would say malice is the. god but look how nutty this is X Network. investigative journalist pleads guilty. to child sex abuse material charges so. this is a guy that was an investigative. journalist at ABC News who investigated. and dismissed pizzagate and meanwhile he.

was guilty of child sexual abuse. material charges so he had child porn. now here's the question. has there ever been a case where someone. has purposely put child porn on. someone's computer to bust them I'm sure. there has I would imagine that that's. something they can do Ah that's terrible. wasn't there like a woman who accused. the FBI of.

threatening to put child porn on. someone's computer wasn't there there. was like a recent case of that. that is so terrifying that's really. terrifying but some first of all that. someone would be in possession of child. porn and then put it on your computer. and then you're just there like and. you're like yeah. oh you're in the position of being like. I swear it's on my computer but I don't. know how I got there especially if. you're someone who is investigating. Child Support I'm not saying that's the.

case yes yeah yeah he very well might be. guilty of it and there are people that. are guilty of it man it's a [ __ ]. heinous thing that does exist as much as. like you and I as regular people. especially as parents we don't want to. ever admit there's someone out there. that literally wants to [ __ ] a baby yeah. and wants to film people [ __ ] babies. and have guys jack off to it it's like. why yeah that's some dark [ __ ] that's. the only thing that you can possess. that's illegal that you could find. online right like you you could have.

murder videos like every [ __ ] day I. open up Instagram I'm seeing someone get. shot yeah yeah you see a lot of murder. videos on Instagram and I don't know how. how they do that and how they [ __ ]. get away with doing that because it. seems to be in violation of the terms of. agreements of of Instagram. yeah but God damn I've seen a lot of. them and if I download these videos and.

put them on my my hard drive and someone. arrests me and they search my hard drive. say oh well your videos will be murdered. that's fine you'd be like no even though. it's a crime no it's nothing officer I. just masturbate to it. no problem sir yeah you're free to go I. like yeah like you're just guns to the. face that's how I get off yeah like. they'd be like no problem with that. right but if you are in possession even. if you haven't done anything physically. to these kids. on uh death videos and it clearly is. breaking all of those yeah images or.

videos depict the murder of an online. identifiable individual what if they're. on it what if they have a bag over their. head and you shoot them images or videos. where reasonably intelligent and. identifiable person is clearly deceased. excessively gruesome media that depicts. the death of an identify it's all I. identifiable person images or videos of. an identifiable deceased person shared. for sadistic purposes that's interesting.

that's vague yeah including uh media. accompanied by content that laughs at or. otherwise mocks the deceased and takes. pleasure in the suffering of the. deceased. that's so bizarre so it's just that just. seems like such a step why don't you. just say like no murder videos the. loophole could be newsworthy events yes. newsworthy events oh okay fine right. like the death of George Floyd like. that's a news Okay murder fair enough. but they're like why is it like well. they're kind of almost by like. implicitly saying like they're like I.

mean if you can't identify them and. you're you know if you can't identify. them and you're not laughing at them. have at it I'd understand that though I. mean I think there are deaths like you. know like uh Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi. or like things like that that you gotta. you should be allowed to uh it's wild. yes when you see the look on his face. that guy shoves that knife up his ass. they're like whoa yeah and I think. there's uh you know there's something. about that too but the craziest thing. about the the Gaddafi thing and I mean.

that's the craziest thing but he had. totally waved the White Flag to America. abandoned his nuclear program gave up. all his chemical weapons like was like. right after 9 11 he was like look I'll. help you in any way I can like I don't. want this and I know America is coming. to kick some ass around here right and. he did all that and then. they still went in and did that to him. so it was a message to like everybody. else who we oppose around the world that.

like yo you cannot. uh you can't trust America you can't. work out a deal with America and all you. know when Joe Biden says things like you. know like he's said several times that. uh you know we want regime change in. Russia it's like that's what regime. change looks like. so that's what Vladimir Putin's thinking. when he says that it's like that's what. you'd like and then by the way according. to uh uh Bill Perry uh who was Bill. Clinton's secretary of state so he says. that um he he said that Vladimir Putin.

believes that the U.S has um uh like a. program to attempt to assassinate him. that like we're actively trying to kill. him and I don't I don't know if that's. true or not but he said that's what. Putin believes I wouldn't be surprised. if that were true. um doesn't sound like it's outside the. realm of possibility yeah it seems like. they tried it with Castro how many times. yeah many many times and with Saddam. Hussein and with a lot of others it's. kind of our Mo and so like you gotta. like almost see like that's what their.

concern is is like that they could end. up like that right like and what would. you do to avoid ending up anally rape. with a knife to death a lot you know. like whatever you could. um yeah you're really backing someone. into a corner yep especially a. superpower with clear weapons especially. if they can prove that you're actually. involved in all this [ __ ] that he's. saying you're involved with. yep yep not good not good oh it's so. gross it's so scary.

and you know that's the one thing I'll. say uh the thing Trump said I remember. you were talking about this with Duncan. too but when Trump said that I want the. dying to stop you know what I mean. somehow that's controversial like but. the the we should do you want Ukraine to. win this war. yeah like what I was like what does it. even mean eat it's like what do you you. know and then there'll be people who are. like arguing like well we can't the war. can't stop until all of the territory is. restored because we can never like. reward the aggressor in this company and.

you're like dude like so people got to. keep dying because you have a point to. make about Crimea being ruled by Kiev. rather than Moscow there's also people. that were like applauding that. progression was closing in on mosque yes. do you think that he's better. well do you know what he does yeah do. you know he was the head of yeah like I. mean the the idea that let's say after. all of this let's say Russia like what.

seems to be the the best case scenario. that the establishment is claiming so. let's say Russia is utterly humiliated. in Ukraine there's a devastating victory. for Ukraine Ukraine uh takes back all of. the territory it's all of it they get. Crimea back you know they're just they. get the entire uh territory back and. then Vladimir Putin is overthrown so do. you think that in this most like. humiliating of moments for Russia and. knowing the like the political realities.

in Russia what would you say is more. likely that will rise up in Vladimir. Putin's place will it be uh uh. Jeffersonian Republican liberal who now. says we're going to Institute a Bill of. Rights you know or something like that. or do you think it's more likely going. to be probably some someone. substantially to the right of Vladimir. Putin who will be even more of an. authoritarian you know like it's like. it's kind of obvious which one is more. likely and uh that never seems to be. anything we think about when it comes to.

war unless they believed they could do. what they did in Ukraine. well what uh to overthrow the government. and put a government and that's more. friendly to them yeah I mean they've. they've tried to do this before that was. the other thing that you were talking. about that recording where they were. openly discussing the various. individuals yeah there's was I was it. the John Kerry one or that the one with. Isis in Syria or the one in Ukraine with. a Victoria Ukraine yeah the Victoria. Newland phone call where she's uh she's. talking about the the phone calls it's. with Victoria Newland and uh Jeffrey.

Pyatt and it was uh it was leaked uh. presumably by the Russians but we don't. really know. um in uh in early 2014 and it's right. around I think it was leaked like. it was right around when right when. Yanukovych fled and the new government. took over and was immediately recognized. by the U.S. um and uh she's she it starts with uh. her and Jeffrey Pyatt who's an. ambassador and he's they're like uh. we're in play okay like it's happening.

and then they're all like she's talking. about who should be in the new. government and who should be out of the. new government. um and then they're talking about how. we're gonna make this thing stick oh. this guy doesn't have the experience. yeah it has to be and Klitschko has to. be out like going through all the people. and all the players who should be in the. new government and who shouldn't. um and then she says that Joe Biden's. gonna call uh call them to give him an. attaboy to like congratulate them for. doing it and you know the whole and look. there are people who argue and I've. heard this argument I don't think. there's really any evidence for it but.

people argue that she wasn't talking. about overthrowing janakovich she was. talking about making a deal with. yanukovich or something but I'll just. say this the one of the top neocons was. over meddling in this country and all. the people who she wanted in government. got in and all the people who she wanted. out of government got out so it works. and you know yeah you can't it and this. is our conclusions yeah so by the way. she is Robert Kagan this is she's his. wife Victoria Newland and she he was the.

guy who like I believe he was the. founder of the project for a New. American Century he was at least one of. the signatures like one of the. signatures of it but he like he was like. head neocon guy and this is his wife. this is and their whole project since. the 90s was to remake the Middle East. fight multiple Wars overthrow Saddam. Hussein also they want a regime changing. around they haven't gotten that one yet. and they wanted to expand NATO all the. way to Ukraine that was their whole like. Mission and so his wife just happens to.

be over there. she's handing out water and food to the. protesters. which is in the crowd get giving out uh. food and cookies to the to the. protesters John McCain's going over. there speaking with Neo-Nazi groups and. [ __ ] telling them your fights are fight. the Russians are going to lose you know. all this [ __ ] and it was all it was it. was a all part of a big plan uh which. these neocons have said forever that. their Vision was always that like. essentially what Gideon Rose said that. you steal Robin away from Batman that.

with Ukraine Russia is a European power. but without Ukraine they're an isolated. you know like an isolated nation and. Vladimir Putin was always pretty damn. clear that Ukraine was his Red Line our. own CIA director we've I've read the. memo last time we were here the net. means net memo our own CIA director. wrote back to Condoleezza Rice when she. was Secretary of State and told her and. said this is his Red Line don't [ __ ]. with Ukraine don't try he's like this is.

we have our only warm water Port here we. have strategic interests here and we. cannot have your military Alliance on. our border in this in this border. um and that he's made this is the. brightest of all red lines and and and. the CIA director current when he was the. ambassador to Russia he said this is the. brightest of all red lines not just for. Vladimir Putin but for the entire. Russian political establishment even his. sharpest liberal critics agree with him. on this that Ukraine is the red line and. then two months after that they. announced Ukraine's coming into NATO and. then just more intervention in Ukraine.

all the way through and eventually he he. went okay you crossed it. now I'm [ __ ] now I'm breaking it. there's a funny thing because in the. video where you say Gideon Rose goes. when you remember the part where he says. oh we want to distract him with the. Olympics here's here's a shiny metal and. we'll just take a country away from you. and that whole thing and uh at one point. Stephen Colbert goes well what could. Vladimir Putin do like could he. intervene and Gideon Rose goes yes yes. and I think he says something like he. could throw over the chessboard. you know like he could and he did.

eventually you know they [ __ ] pushed. him and pushed him and eventually he did. what their ultimate plan is. how do they think this is going to play. in behind closed doors and all the. [ __ ] the walls are checked for bugs. you know what do they say my guess would. be that um that they are I think the. attitude is what uh is a big new. Brzezinski uh said the strategy was in.

Afghanistan in 1979. um that it was to that when we were. trying to lower the Soviet Union into. fighting the war in Afghanistan that. what he said it was to give them their. own Vietnam. like we basically saw what Vietnam did. to us. and so let's give them one of those. let's lower them into a [ __ ] Quagmire. that breaks their back. um and from their point of view they. were successful in that that that's what. defeated the Soviet Union was there. their war in Afghanistan and now after.

getting out of our own 20-year war in. Afghanistan you know. um and seeing what that's done to our. country I think this is what I think I. think they were attempting to lure. Vladimir Putin into this War I think. that's why they were they they kept. Crossing his red lines every single time. so I think they wanted to provoke him. into doing this because they want him to. they want to break Russia Jesus Christ. Game of Thrones yeah it's some wild [ __ ]. dude it's wild how do you have time.

to research all this stuff. um well and just have all this. information available an instant recall. I I mean I don't know I just you know. I've I I was very lucky from the time I. got obsessed with politics in 2007 when. I found Ron Paul and at the time I. didn't really have any I just my whole. life was just stand-up comedy and being. obsessed with this [ __ ] so that was all. like that's all I did. um and now uh and I I fell down the.

rabbit hole I found a lot of really. great people so I think I'm very lucky. that I found the right people starting. with Ron Paul who I think is the. greatest living American hero uh the. Thomas Jefferson of our time. um but then I found like all these great. people like um I found uh like Peter. Schiff and Tom Woods Scott Horton the. best anti-war voice in the country all. the guys at anti-war.com so I read them. all the time. um and I just kind of like kept finding. all these really great voices of the. whole mises Institute m-i-s-e-s dot org.

and so I got obsessed with that for a. long time and then. it just it's just like I don't know it's. just like my calling to follow this [ __ ]. like it's like I'm so passionate about. following it and knowing what's going on. and I do show I do my podcast three days. a week and I'm always talking about. whatever the latest thing is so I'm. always kind of on top of it and I have. good sources and um yeah so I Remember. by the way I'll say this quickly you. really you really inspired me I remember. when I was first starting so I was like.

I started comedy in like 2005 2006. something like that and then in 2007. 2008 I fell into this rabbit hole and. then I just started being like obsessed. with you know reading about like. Austrian economics and military history. and all this [ __ ] and I remember like I. was really self-conscious about it like. I was like I was like this makes no. sense like what am I doing I'm like. pursuing stand-up comedy and then I'm. spending every night until four in the. morning just like obsessively reading. about this [ __ ] that has nothing to do. with my comedy career you know what I. mean and I remember just like being like.

uh what am I like I'm wait I'm not I'm. like failing at common I'm not doing. very good I'm broke and like I'm working. on this thing that isn't clearly going. it doesn't like really make sense and I. was like and I was a I'm a big fan of. yours already because I was you know uh. from a huge UFC fan already and then uh. you know just like from the comedy scene. like I knew you from Ona shows and stuff. like that and um and I remember first it. was watching talking monkeys in space. which is still one of my favorite comedy.

specials ever and I think that what was. it 2009 2008 yeah something like that so. that was like the seeing that was the. first time that I was like because I. kind of wanted to take some of these. ideas into stand up but I thought they. were like a little I was like I don't. know I don't want to get like preachy. with it or anything like that but then I. saw you in that special and you really. you had like these long very deep bits. about you know like the [ __ ] pyramids. and what man was like 10 000 years ago. but it was still all punched up in. stand-up comedy like you weren't just. preaching you were like and I was like. oh yeah I think that's [ __ ] I think I.

could do that you know what I mean like. talk about the [ __ ] I want to talk about. and still keep it funny and then um just. your I remember thinking about it and I. was like you know even though it makes. no sense on paper that I'm just the dude. who's really into [ __ ] the history of. the Russia Ukraine conflict and then. we're going to go do stand-up comedy. shows at mother like even though that. makes no sense I was like yeah but like. your career on paper made no sense but. it's just who you are like if you had. ever said to someone like 20 years ago. or you were like okay I got it all.

figured out you know like you had some. agent who's like all right well if you. want to be a stand-up comedian you got. to be an actor or you got to write or. you got to do this and do these. auditions and you're like well I'm just. gonna like commentate on cage fights and. then I'm gonna do an internet radio show. but I'll be like really big in like the. fitness community and the hallucinogenic. Community like they're all really going. to like me like the psychedelics like. put it it all kind of sounds like wait. what but the answer is like that's just. who you are so it made sense to just be. you you do your thing as I don't know.

that's kind of like what I've I at a. certain point kind of like seeing your. example I was like yeah I'm just gonna. do this because this is me and this is. really what I'm interested in so like I. don't know I like doing stand-up comedy. and I like talking [ __ ] about all this. you can't can't fault the agents for not. having a vision sure yeah especially if. something that didn't exist before yeah. but they just don't get the new realm. that we exist in you know for people. like this they're craving authenticity. you know and you are authentically.

interested in these things there's a lot. of people that are out there talking. about politics they just view that as a. means to get on the air you can smell a. grifter you know you can sniff them out. you know and that term gets thrown. around a lot sometimes unfairly but I'm. just saying you can sniff when people. are like oh no like he really believes. what he's saying yeah and then you're. like oh this guy knows he can play to. this audience like I can play to the you. know like uh which you know. I don't have that skill set. I probably make a lot more money if I. did yeah just pick a team it would [ __ ].

you up yeah yeah no I wouldn't I. wouldn't be able to do it it it clouds. their reasoning and it you always look. at everything through a filter of. [ __ ] yeah there's certain people. that just you know what they're doing. you know they're grifting and you and. they're uh prone to be exposed yeah. because when you're bullshitting people. yeah you can be exposed for that yeah. especially it's like. huh but it's so tempting. you know so tempting for people makes.

sense like if they think that this is. the they lick their finger and this is. where the wind's blowing well you see it. in and and by the way if I'm not like. naming and thinking of anyone specific. here so I don't like think I'm like. trashing but you know there's these. people that like go from like they're. like well I I used to be on the right. and now on the left I used to be on the. left and now I'm on the right and you. almost realize that like I'm not even. saying like that necessarily they're. doing that for these reasons but you. realize that let's say you're like. it's so valuable to the other side if.

you're the person who switched oh yeah. because then you're like but I'm saying. it's it's like oh look even this left. guy sees how crazy the left is so now. he's over here so if you're like let's. say like in the top 80 political. commentators on the left but then you. make the switch you move up to like the. top ten on the right so you just. immediately know you're like oh this is. a huge jump if I do this and you know. it's one of the things is is tough is um. you have to like. there there are perverse incentives in.

this game and you got to always kind of. be conscious of that I don't want to. just be telling my audience what they. want to hear you know what I mean yes. and sometimes I gotta like say something. that might even piss off my audience you. know what I mean that like you and you. gotta like you got to be really aware of. that because even incentives can [ __ ]. with you even if you're not really. thinking about this capture yeah yeah. just don't listen to them that's. probably that's probably the best way. yeah I mean you have an internal Compass. oh yeah yeah for sure we all do yeah and.

you're gonna make mistakes we're all. gonna make mistakes but as long as. you're following that internal Compass I. think people will understand. they'll get it they'll know what you're. doing and you know the fact that you are. authentic and this is that's what's so. interesting about it is because you. really are deeply deeply invested in. this stuff. it's not like a a thing that you've kind. of like oh I want to have this debate. about this so I'm going to look at it oh. this is what I've learned no you've got. this stuff internalized I just do I. don't know I mean it's like sometimes.

I'll talk to people and like like people. say sometimes they're like dude I don't. know how you like you like like read all. about and focus on all this political. stuff dude like it'll just drive me. crazy I just don't pay attention at all. and I like I have no argument to that. like no response like hey yeah I. completely get that if you just don't. it's just to me I just I find it all so. interesting and I just like I don't know. dude I just like I wanna know yeah and I. and I I understand what frustrates me is. that there's a limit I know I'll never. know all of it you know what I mean like.

that's frustrating to me because don't. you just want to know don't you really. want to know everything about how. Kennedy got killed like and what really. happened with Nixon I mean I know I. guess it's kind of the official story. but it's definitely more than the. official story it's like what really. happened why did you guys really decide. we're gonna [ __ ] get this guy out you. know what I mean like and all the [ __ ]. even the stuff you were talking about. with Trump of like that'd be the most. interesting thing to ask him right what. is it really happen you know like what. was this like. tell me about this imagine what it's. like just get just getting in there and.

also when you're not supposed to get in. there and you realize they're all. conspiring against you and even you. didn't think you would and now you're. like oh [ __ ] oh boy [ __ ] I think he did. think he was gonna win yeah maybe he did. he did but no one else around him I. don't think that no maybe one or two. people I don't think Melania thought I. don't think I thought I thought she was. like sure I'll come do this campaign. thing and then I'll go back to being a. socialite in New York City and she was. like oh what oh man yeah I was reading. this story or I didn't read the story I.

read the headline and it was about. um melania's reaction to Trump getting. indicted and it was like her reaction. seems to be sucks deep sucks to be you. like. oh you don't even have an interview with. her yeah you're just like yeah yeah this. is just like a narrative that you just. want to promote I mean maybe you're just. doing it for clickbait maybe you're just. a journalist who just thinks this is a. good [ __ ] angle to take what are they. gonna do deny it but it's also like and.

like maybe that's even right but what a. weird thing to even pretend to write. about like can you imagine anyone. writing a story about like how your wife. feels about something you did you'd be. like you don't have any idea how my wife. feels about this like how would you know. especially criminal indictments yeah and. that her take is sucks to be you it's. like really they do have a kid together. who's like not that old right like he's. a teenager or something like that like I. don't know it seems like it'd be a weird. attitude are you sure that's the take.

like how can you like just openly say. that like did you get a source like is. this like you're hearing rumors like. what is what are you saying what are you. saying you know for sure that's how she. feels and even like if you had a source. like on that how could you ever like. write that article like if you had some. Source like what is it a chick who's a. friend of hers says this how reliable is. that ever ever how reliable ever is some. someone's girlfriend going this is how.

she feels about her husband like maybe. also maybe she did say it for funsies. yeah you know it sucks to be you. I'll just go [ __ ] chop. well she's I mean my guess is she. doesn't want to be back in the white. house again no I can't believe she knows. she enjoyed it. she's without a doubt the hottest first. lady of all time. um wasn't Kennedy's Kennedy's wife was.

she's pretty was a good looking chick. right she's a very beautiful woman but. this lady's hot yeah yeah but I think. Kennedy is professionally yes but she. what is how old was uh were the Kennedys. when they were I think they were much I. don't know how old is Shea she's a lot. younger than Trump she's younger than. Trump she's probably in her 40s 40s like. when Kennedy was in office he was in his. 40s right maybe.

yeah those are I guess that's isn't that. interesting that we think about that as. so young now. it's there's something um she was 34. when he died she was 34. okay so she was. yeah she was young and how old was he. I'm guessing early 40s 46. I'm going like 42. yeah how old was he. when he died. I had to be at least uh 35 or 30 yeah. yeah 35 or 37 well he was 30 he had to.

be 35 when you got in and he died right. in 62. right 63. we can't do the math on my head 1917 to. 63. it's. 46 46 46. you nailed to Joe so vivec is. 37. which is very young he's right up. against the uh the boundary yeah. especially now where you go there's. something weird about like I'm 40. I. don't want now I'm like I want a. president younger than me I'm like.

listen young man but he's so brilliant. he's he's a very impressive guy I think. there's um there's there's a really. weird dynamic that I do not completely. understand but there's something about. the Boomer class of politicians who like. never passed the torch like when I was a. kid like in the we had these politicians. like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and. Mitch McConnell and like it's all the. same people they like Nick Joe Biden. like all these guys were in and it's.

like they never wanted to give up power. have you seen Diane uh Feinstein I mean. it's like yo lady give it up man well. the thing is your staff doesn't want her. to give it up because then they're all. out of jobs yeah yeah but so there's how. many people working in that organization. uh uh several but but still the fact. that none of them ever seem to like be. willing to pass the torch it's a very um. and. percentage Yeah wow I mean look at that. isn't that insane yeah so you get into.

the from 1980 it takes a dip and then it. goes skyrocketing yeah that is really. something yeah and so and and you know. even um like with the the presidencies. you know it's like. um I guess Barack Obama is the exception. where he kind of got past the torch. although he had to wrestle it away like. it wasn't like they were just like. lining up for him it was he had to kind. of steal it away from Hillary Clinton. um but then like they even think that. like Hillary Clinton was running for. president in 2016 when your husband was.

running in 1992. like it's it's 30 years later yeah what. are you doing like running still like. you're right you know and there's just. something about it and I do think. there's there's a big problem with it. that um I think there's like this kind. of this Boomer mentality about America. and especially because these politicians. are so. um like insulated and they're it they. live in such a bubble you know what I. mean like they're not living like.

regular people they're living these. crazy lives and it's almost like they. still have this I think they still. suffer from not having adjusted to where. America actually is today versus where. they have it in their kind of post-world. War II mind where they're kind of like. yeah listen we said you know we said. Vladimir Putin can invade and that's. that we'll go show them you can't do. that and you're like well okay well he. did and it's still not working and guess. what you're not like so clearly this. powerful country you're a country that's. 30 trillion plus in debt and like.

actually you have a lot of signs of like. societal decay you know like maybe like. you know and I just I I do think we'd be. better off with like a younger. generation uh having some influence in. this Jesus I like I like a lot of things. about vague I like a lot I like a lot of. things that RFK but he doesn't have a. chance to beat Trump right do you think. he has a chance to be the vice president. yeah I think for sure I think for sure. he has a chance at that or some other. big I'd kind of rather see him get like.

some other more substantive position in. uh in Trump's cabinet rather than just. vice president like I'd rather him like. I'd rather him be like the head of like. you know something like really like. unwind something in the Deep state or. something you know like I don't know. what position exactly would be right for. him but I think he's definitely got a. shot of being you know it's he has not. been attacking Donald Trump Donald Trump. has not been attacking him right he's. kind of Defending Donald Trump and and. so that and Trump's been nothing but. complimentary toward him yeah um he's in. an interesting position where I I have a.

very tough time seeing how Donald Trump. is allowed to be back in like it seems. to me like they'll do whatever they have. to do but how far can they go that's the. question while still maintaining what is. well the first people's eyes are. democracy like how well they seem to not. be that concerned about maintaining that. I mean the furthest they can go is a. limo ride in Dallas and the you know. short of that they can they can you know. perhaps they can get a jury to convict.

and he's looking at 20 years and the. deal is either you go to jail for 20. years or you agree to not run for. president or something like that I mean. I don't know exactly how they can do it. um but. Vivek is in this interesting position. where DeSantis his campaign is really. tanked and not turned into what anyone. thought it might turn into and so now. he's just kind of sitting there in the. background while Trump is dealing with.

all these indictments in the system. being turned against him and Trump is is. Wrecking DeSantis he's not taking any. blows but he's just kind of there you. know right I think it's still a long. shot for him to win I don't know exactly. how that would happen but it's it's. interesting he's run a really good. campaign so far he's got a lot of good. stuff to say I mean he said the other. day they asked him who should be the FED. chairman and he said uh maybe Ron Paul. or Rand Paul someone from that family. and you know I'm like watching I'm like.

are you just talking to me right now. dude you just trying to get me to vote. for you who else is this appealing to. because I'm way on board so I like that. a lot I love that he's great on the. Ukraine war I love that um RFK Jr is. great on that yeah great on that. um RFK Junior I think is a lot better on. China I think vivek's a little bit too. hawkish on China I don't like that stuff. he was talking about with like drone. bombing Mexican cartels and all that. [ __ ] I just like I just want someone.

five years with no war yeah you know. like just enough of that but in general. I think he is more on the anti-war side. it's also just really smart and he's. younger and he seems to like really. believe in like uh reducing the size of. the deep State and reducing the size of. the administrative State and that's like. that's really nice because we could. really use that he seems to believe he. has a plan for how he can get it done he. got very specific with me when he was on. my show about like what statutes he. would use to like fire people in these.

bureaucrat positions and how the. president has the legal authority to do. all of it you know. I don't know if that would actually work. or not but at least he's tall at least. he's got a plan he sounds like a. president yeah well he's all he's just a. very impressive guy I mean what is the. guy you know he built like a gigantic. company he's only 37 years old I think. he's worth a ton of money yeah which I. somehow people think is a negative thing. but I just think is very impressive you. know aggressive and he's very impressive. in every realm yeah in every aspect of.

what he says and even how he defends. criticism yeah well this is one of the. things that I think is also like just. really attractive to me about uh uh. Robert Kennedy Jr and about Vivek uh. obviously they have they have some. different views on different things but. that they're just like when when you. talk to RFK Jr about a topic you get. this impression that he's read a book. about it. oftentimes you get the impression he's. read several books about it yeah and you.

get that impression with with Vivek also. when when you talk to Joe Biden. you're not I'm not that I've actually. had a conversation with him but when you. hear him talk you're not convinced that. he even knows what he's talking about. right and when you hear Donald Trump. talk about something it always kind of. seems like he saw a show about it you. know what I mean like it just seems like. he watched something he sized up what. his view was and then he kind of made it. but I just I I don't think it's too much. to expect that like the president of the. United States of America ought to be.

like a somewhat deep thinker yeah you. know it'll be nice that seems reasonable. yeah like that and and that you know. I mean okay you could say that about. Obama Obama seemed like he had read. stuff you know aside from him there's. there's Clinton yeah yeah Clinton very. smart very smart guy but I just it would. like after you know kind of where we've. been going lately it would kind of be. nice to see someone like who's who's. smart and a thinker it would be. Dave Smith you're the [ __ ] man you're.

the man always always good to talk to. you um tell everybody your podcast how. to get a hold of you social media All. That Jazz uh at Comic Dave Smith on. Twitter youtube.com. excuse me youtube.com slash at part of. the problem is my YouTube channel that's. where my comedy special is up it's part. of a series uh for gas digital uh. they're launching a whole bunch of these. half hour comedy specials uh Louis J. Gomez is doing one column Terrell who is.

[ __ ] hilarious I think is going to be. like one of the next like huge great. Comics [ __ ] hilarious Jordan Jensen. another one of like up and coming great. really really funny uh chick uh and Kurt. Metzger and Rich Voss all have specials. coming out beautiful all on their own. YouTube channels and stuff so it's a. part of that series that's real cool my. podcast is called part of the problem. and of course I am a degenerate [ __ ]. on the Legion of skanks a couple times a. week as well thanks so much dude my. pleasure brother all right let's go have. fun all right bye everybody.

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