Joe Rogan Experience #2021 - Mike Baker

[Music]. by night. night it's not bad right and it's really. nice Foundation cigars shout out to them. what's up Mike how are you I'm doing. well thank you what do you got in those. pieces of paper to scare the [ __ ] out of. me yeah you know what yes I got notes. because you know why because I'm always. being accused of uh of wandering and not.

being as organized as I should be that's. just this podcast does that to people. yeah maybe so but I said to myself [ __ ]. it I'm gonna I'm gonna write some things. down okay because if so much has. happened since the last time we sat down. yeah and so I made a list I'm gonna I'm. gonna run through that if you don't mind. okay. since last show see I even headlined it. uh Chinese spy balloon failed Mutiny in. Russia. four indictments of trump now last night. was the fourth. um. bank account records showing the Biden.

family took over 20 million dollars. um PeeWee Herman died. it's right there and it's right before. um the two-year anniversary of the. Afghan withdrawal I probably should have. put that why did you put Herman in there. you know what because I did when I found. out that Paul Reubens died I was sad I. mean it was it was like I I'm old enough. I actually went to a a show that uh Paul. did when he was kind of working out his.

Peewee character right and it was. fantastic it was a great show this was. it was years ago so it would have been. uh before I it was probably like 80. [ __ ] 82 83 81 somewhere in that time. frame right it was a long time ago it. was at uh Georgetown University in DC. and uh and it was a great show anyway. point and then and I always thought like. he didn't get enough credit for like. peewee's Playhouse and I know that. people are like what the [ __ ] is he.

talking about but but it was it was. really it was he was a good guy he kind. of got he got off the rails with the a. little bit for a period of time with. that he was. he was uh wanking in uh in a porn. theater yeah but isn't that what they do. in those things especially a gay point. there I guess yeah it's got to sound. weird right the kids though yeah porn. theater what I know yeah that was they. used to have to go to places you had to. I don't I don't know if you had to back. when he was doing it I don't think there. was a law but uh I think uh back when he.

was doing it there were still VHS tapes. were out I think DVDs were out back then. too because this was like I want to say. he got busted in like 90 something yeah. yeah it was it was easily 91 okay yeah. so definitely VHS tape sir that was back. when you had to go through the curtains. or laser discs or whatever like there's. beads yeah these kids today I don't know. jack [ __ ] they're getting their porn off. of a phone well that's just it I don't. think they don't have an appreciation. for how hard you had to work back in. certain 70s and 80s I mean it got Easier.

by the time the 1990s roll around but it. was you you had to you had to go on like. a like a quest or something yeah you got. to be shamed yeah yeah. what is it what is it that you see. simple facts what happened Friday night. in Ruben's hometown of Sarasota Florida. or familiar by now according to the. County Sheriff's Office three Detectives. they said it three guys they catch. people jerking off at the XXX South. Trail Cinema to watch the audience that. was watching a triple bill of Catalina. 5-0 tiger shark nurse Nancy and turn up.

the heat after the sting operation had. hauled in Three Men on charges of. violating Florida State Statute. 800.03 exposure of sexual organs. detective William Walters allegedly saw. a man masturbate in quotes that's how. the rap sheet spells it spells it wrong. instead of Earth says e. um in the darkened theater at 8 25 pm. and again at 8 35 twice he caught him. twice yeah the first the first sighting.

wasn't enough you had to go back. together meanwhile the guy's got amazing. recovery Powers Yeah 825 he blasts off. and then he's back at it at 8 35 that's. a [ __ ] stud right there yeah that was. before Viagra place under I don't know. if that's true when did Viagra come. around uh placed under arrest upon. leaving the theater the alleged offender. quietly told the detectives his famous. pseudonym and according to the police. made a novel peewee-esque attempt at a. buy-off he offered a perform at a. children's benefit for the sheriff's.

office if the charges were dropped ah a. department spokesperson said that the. deputies did not feel at the time they. had enough probable cause to charge. Rubens with attempted bribery well is. that bribery really when you say You're. Gonna perform at an event isn't it money. only no it's it's you're bartering. anything yeah like if someone says I'll. suck your [ __ ] yeah that's bribery uh. local reporter recognized Reuben's name. on the arrest sheet the next day within. hours the Scandal Machinery was roaring.

at Full Throttle. yeah yeah but then you know what he did. okay so everybody makes mistakes. um but then he recovered and you know he. went on to to uh it's a fairly harmless. crime first of all if you're in a porn. theater I think you should assume that. those dudes with raincoats on or beaten. off yeah you know I mean just you're. wearing rubber gloves in there and like. those things are disgusting people don't. recognize like I never went into one of. those so I'm just on anecdotes but I.

would imagine like porn theaters are. [ __ ] gross you'd have to you'd have. to think so right I mean it's a regular. theater is bad enough your feet stick to. the floor yeah and that's just from the. Pepsi yeah. um yeah no porn theater I gotta tell you. and honestly the the nurse Nancy was an. underrated film I think so there was. that. um so that's Paul groups that's PeeWee. Herman he died I I just made a note. because my friend Phil Hartman worked. with him that's how he kind of got his.

start in Show Business on. yeah he was on peewee's Playhouse he was. one of the writers for Pee-wee's. Playhouse I'll be damned yeah he always. spoke very highly of peewee yeah oh. yeah I [ __ ] loved that show when I. was a kid yeah. it was hilarious and peewee's big. adventure is a [ __ ] amazing movie. exactly and that was uh when did that. come out that was um. I want to say 80. yeah 89. yeah yeah.

well I was dating this girl I remember. specifically the girl that I was dating. at the time that I was dating like right. around I was graduating high school. because we were crying laughing it was. so funny like back then it was so unique. don't forget to tell them Large Marge. sent you fun [ __ ] movies yeah I. remember I took a date to peewee's uh. show his comedy show and I mean the. place was rolling right it was he really. was it was it was a yeah it was an. interesting cat but anyway I like that.

I'm seeing that side of you Mike Baker. yeah the Pee-wee Herman Family I still. have uh you know a pair of his uh see. this guy sound weird signed big. Underpants. [Laughter]. and yeah give them to one of my boys I'm. not sure which one yeah maybe put it in. a museum somewhere probably worth a lot. of money one day ah yeah I don't even. know where we go from Pee-wee Herman we. go from that to whatever notes you got. yeah oh yeah yeah well.

um we're gonna unfreeze a lot of money. um for uh the Iran uh prisoner swap. that's that's another story but we could. start with the Chinese spy balloon since. I I don't know where we started there. first so what is your take on the. Chinese spy balloon. um they said that Trump that there was a. bunch of those that were happening while. Trump was in office but they didn't tell. him about it because they're worried. he's going to shoot him down which I. thought was [ __ ] amazing that might. you know what I'm not gonna at this. stage of the game I'm not gonna say.

anything doesn't sound plausible. everything sounds plausible now yeah so. um the Chinese regime continues just. like with the [ __ ] Wuhan lab the. Chinese regime continues to just say it. was a weather balloon right got of. course it was a weather balloon well hey. it didn't get blown off course it had a. massive array of propellers it had a. Rudder it had solar panels to keep those. propellers churning they knew exactly. what they were doing and where they were. going. um and you know it shows up over.

whatever Alaska on the end of January. whatever and uh proceeds to travel. across the country in a path that is. clearly designed to you know collect. intelligence from sensitive facilities. right it flies over Montana. um Montana uh a lot but there's uh. Malmstrom Air Force Base and that's a. it's part of our our where we put our. land-based nukes what part of Montana is.

that in yeah the northern part uh if. you're close to Canada yeah yeah not. well a little further south than Canada. but it's it's like the top quarter I. guess I think that's right. um and it is about 150 or so. um you know uh Silo based nukes there. um so. there it is. so that's the base yeah and so it was. flying over that flight over flying over. Malmstrom. um and so they were aware of it the Air.

Force Base was aware of it. um they by the time yeah and look. it's not as if we're not you know uh. taking measures or counter measures to. prevent uh surveillance because the. Chinese have spy satellites very. technical very very Advanced so we know. how to protect Communications we know. how to protect and we also know what's. available right so satellite imagery is. going to give you a fair amount of. information anyway so the the question. is okay well why the hell was this thing.

which was this tall as the Statue of. Liberty why was it floating around up. there with an array of antennas. obviously there to collect. um but it went over there it went over. uh Omaha or near Omaha uh where we've. got uh U.S strategic command uh and ofit. Air Force Base. um. and. you know the the the US government the. military was like well we don't believe. after the fact after we shot it down. they're like we don't believe that it.

was uh collecting you know and we took. measures to prevent it from collecting. and not only that we didn't shoot it. down at the beginning because we were. monitoring its capabilities and and. learning from that now part of that is. true right if you've got a Target you. identify a Target unlike with law. enforcement in the intelligence world. you you let that run right because you. want to learn everything you can about. that Target you know who's there to. support it what what is you know how do. they learn how did they know that can. they figure out what it's transmitting. can they can they tune into it. um it most yes most of its signals.

intelligence and and capabilities it's. not really imagery that you're getting. from it although that's part of it. um but you know so I have no doubt that. you know because everyone was saying why. do we need to just shoot the [ __ ] down. when it showed up over Alaska on the. whenever the 28th of January and or it. wouldn't became aware of it. um initially and. you know because we live in a you know. this highly partisan world everybody was. saying well because Biden's inept and. you know they didn't know what they were. doing and they let it float all the way. across the states. so you can't discount the argument that.

says well part of it is we let it go. because we were gathering intelligence. ourselves from their capabilities it's. always interesting to know it's just. like when we uh here I go disappearing. down a rabbit hole when we lost that uh. platform that error asset uh during the. abbottabad rate right. um and we had to leave it behind and. they destroyed you know to the degree. they could everything that was in it of. interest but the platform itself was of. Interest right it was it was because the. two things that are important nowadays.

are stealth and speed you know that was. there was a stealth design involved. there and there's also Material Science. it's interesting so left it behind. um after they bagged bin Laden. literally and. um then uh three days later the the. pakistanis had invited uh the Chinese to. come in and they were swarming all over. that helicopter right Gathering. intelligence so you always if you have. the opportunity to observe a Target I. guess like I said you know then you do.

you can gain intelligence from so I'm. not one of those people who said I. should have shot it down immediately. because I don't know what they were. getting from it but I do know that the. purpose of the balloon was to gather. intelligence uh on us on our sensitive. facilities to some degree so. anyway uh and then they they sent all. the remains after they recovered them. off the coast of South Carolina to. wherever Quantico. uh and that was kind of the last we ever. heard of it right because we've all got. attention deficit disorder nobody wants. to you know think okay what did we learn.

can we do a hot wash on it and figure. out and and to what degree can you tell. the public what the hell is going on. right because honestly I you know I. don't know that we ever would have. learned about it if it hadn't been so. large in you know members of the public. hadn't seen it or spot right so what. else too was it hovering around that. um it went it could have passed through. a couple of other bases Minot and uh uh. I forget where else it was to the to the. south of there but it it. um the fact that it hovered uh over a.

period of time over Malmstrom right is. really all you need to know right if. because if it's a weather balloon. yeah yeah you know it so it doesn't I. guess at one point being. you know we never really pushed the. Chinese regime under G for anything. right we haven't we haven't forced the. hand on on the pandemic and we're going. to have another pandemic so it would be. nice to know what the [ __ ] actually. happened right not to disappeared I. don't think we're gonna have another.

pandemic everybody keeps saying that. yeah well because very disconcerting we. haven't had one in 100 years not a. legitimate one well you know you know. um not to uh toot my own horn which I. guess you know that would be an. interesting thing if you could do that. but. um. it was a few years back when we were. talking and I said you know we'll have a. the next big thing will be a pandemic. right and someone had pointed that out. to me I'd forgotten about it but they. sent it to me and so my point back then. and the point now is that it's just it's.

bound to happen right we're an. increasingly shrinking Globe there's. more people were in in contact where you. know with everything that goes on right. whether it's. in a natural based or just what we're. doing in in biotech and Pharma. it's bound to happen and so I guess. you'd think that if we were serious. minded we would demand answers we. wouldn't just allow the zi regime to. just shrug it off constantly right I.

mean you know that there would be a. massive uh debrief on this whole. situation if it happened in the U.S or. the UK or you know started in Australia. wherever right the rest of the world. wouldn't let it go but there's just some. there's something about it we just we. never push the Chinese regime to the. degree that we need to to get an answer. and and it's and so the point being it's. the same with the damn balloon is it. because we don't think we'll ever get an. answer and it's kind of a waste of time. because it's not like they're. transparent yeah yeah they would just.

not tell us the truth. yeah I think that's that's part of it. it's like doing business in China. um if you're investing in in a. pseudo-state-owned Enterprise or. whatever you always know there's going. to be three or four or five sets of. books right it's always there's they're. just very good at obfuscating and they. also think they don't need to answer we. don't care they don't they don't care. and G believes that they are still on. despite some problems in their economy. they're still on the slow March to the. top of the food chain so he certainly.

doesn't care. um anyway do you think anything would be. different if someone else was in office. um. no I don't think so I don't think so I'm. not I'm not going to say that I'm not. going to say if we got you know if Trump. or you know a republican was in office. so we'd get a different result I don't. think so we've we've had it's sort of a. unsatisfactory relationship related to. China for decades right we just we. haven't no administration's really. pushed back appropriately against their.

theft of. economic intelligence or research and. development or whatever so all those. things keep happening. and we never make the effort right I. mean look at some of the things they're. doing now I've gotten bizarrely focused. on the issue of of uh we've talked about. this before critical minerals right. because one of the things that I find. really interesting is this push towards. uh uh Net Zero you know Carbon. production and getting rid of fossil. fuels stopping fossil fuels.

well you can't stop fossil fuels. and uh regulate mining out of existence. at the same time you've got you've got. to do one or the other to. um to fuel you know production to fuel. manufacturing to heat people's homes to. produce whatever you're going to produce. and so if we want to get rid of fossil. fuels by definition you have to increase. mining of critical minerals that there's. just nowhere No Way Around It you if you.

do both which divide Administration is. basically trying to do that I think. they're placating their their Base by. you know we're going to get rid of. fossil fuels and they're also making uh. decisions that are over regulating the. permitting process for Mining and we. have a lot of critical minerals. available in this country right we've. got you know lithium phosphate which. should be on the critical minerals list. we've got all these things that that we. we need. if we're going to continue to March away. from fossil fuels but the current. Administration just keeps under this.

theory of keep it in the ground right. and so. and that's a big Push by. environmentalists right keep it all on. the ground right lock it up but how do. they the only way to do that is to keep. allowing what's essentially slave labor. to extract Cobalt and things from the. Congo right and you've talked about this. and it absolutely Darth cars book is. insane yeah and the videos that he got. when he was you know he risked his life. to get footage of this stuff in the. Congo it's right it's horrendous and.

anybody thinks that in any way that. that's a good solution to our problems. is is [ __ ] insane well but that's. where that's where this is going if if. the U.S continues and and this is where. I'll bring China in and by the way China. uh they own or operate I think it's like. 15 of the 19 Cobalt mines in in the. Democratic Republic of the Congo. so it doesn't matter whether they're.

leading the way and China controls 30 of. the 50 critical minerals anyway they. produce more than anybody else they. certainly control the refining process. for most of the critical minerals but it. doesn't matter whether they're mining in. their own country they've also been busy. locking up opportunities elsewhere right. to control these things and so. you know there's there's very little. pushback but if you if you look at uh. if you look at one case because we've. talked about Cobalt we've talked about. lithium which is here we could be mining.

but you know the government's you know. shutting down opportunities to do that. either by declaring things off limits in. terms of the land area or just making. the permitting process so damn difficult. um but uh you know phosphate I mentioned. that as an example. I got disappeared down some rabbit hole. looking at all of this it's not on the. critical minerals list right and there's. 50 critical minerals now phosphate along. with two other things nitrogen and.

potassium are the key nutrients that you. use for fertilizers right to feed the. world not just the US right. you can't do Mass farming right anybody. wants to grow local but the reality is. it's a lot of people right and if you. want you know the the least privileged. people around the globe to eat you got. to do large-scale farming you can't do. that without phosphate right and so. China is the number one producer of. phosphate in the world. and I think Russia is fourth.

and they produce like five times more. combined five times more than we do in. the U.S. and yet there is significant pushback. here in the U.S in part because it fits. a Chinese narrative and the Chinese have. decided the regime has again not the. people the Chinese regime has decided. that one of the best ways to get what. they want in terms of U.S behavior is. not to try to influence you know the. White House but it's to reach out to. local and state officials so here's.

where I'm going with this when you look. at decisions made at state level or. local level. the Chinese regime and the the odni the. Director of National Intelligence. released a report and they talked about. this they said the the Chinese are. doubling down on their efforts to exert. influence through a variety of means. um environmental groups. um encouraging litigation right against. mining operations or whatever it may be.

social influencers to try to get a. message out right that influences local. and state Regulators to do things such. as saying no got to keep it in the. ground you know no we don't want. phosphate mining as an example and that. serves the purpose whether whether an. environmental group or whether a group. that's out there that focuses on these. things and files lawsuits constantly for. environmental purposes and then by the. way those those lawyers you know usually. recoup their funds from you know what is.

called The Endangered Species Act it. allows them to get their money back so. they think oh wow these lawyers are. fighting and it's pro bono no it's not. they're getting paid so but they're. doing it whether they do it knowingly. whether they do it uh unwittingly it. still serves the purpose of the Chinese. regime which is looking to say keep it. in the ground because we want to control. all of this and again whether it's. Cobalt whether it's lithium whether it's. phosphate whatever it may be. it's it's a fascinating thing but the. the point being that we can't pursue a.

green future. and at the same time over regulate uh. the mining process and uh it just. doesn't work China has so much influence. on America it's it's it's crazy how. different the playing field is between. like what we're allowed to do like. Americans can't own businesses in China. they can't own land in China they can't. buy property. but China can do all those things here. and they can influence our universities.

they bring their students over here. their students siphon up data and. information and oftentimes get caught. yeah yeah they get caught right yeah. there's been quite a few of those cases. there have been but but that's that's. the tip of the iceberg right that's a. that's a that's a small number that. because it's it's an incredibly Heaven. left right A counterintelligence. operation is is really tough and so I. look at that and I think yeah I'm thank. God we caught that person but then you.

think how many more they're out there. right so that's the thing it's like how. many of them are just more careful. yeah yeah it's um. it is interesting in a way we used to. talk about during when you know when we. were on the war on terror right and. everybody's forgotten about that you. know for the most part although we. probably should talk about something. yeah it's and it's it's bubbling away in. Afghanistan which we should also. talk about but but we used to talk about. war on terror and how the terrorists. were using our open Society against us.

right right and. hey you know the Chinese regime does the. same thing right they understand and. they they look at how we operate and. they say okay where's the where's the. where's the weaknesses right where the. where the leverage points that we can. use to turn that against them and. you know we this this idea. um I mean look China produces more. carbon than all the developed Nations. combined which is very important to talk.

about when people are talking about. going green because the amount of impact. that would happen even if the United. States went to zero went to zero carbon. output you're not going to put a dent in. what's happening to the world because. most of it is coming from China and. India India right yeah right that's most. of it so all this [ __ ] about don't eat. meat because we're going to save the. world you're not saving jack [ __ ] I. don't understand where that message is. coming from or why there's not a nuanced. perspective where people are taking into.

account all these other variables. well in part again it doesn't fit the. narrative it doesn't fit the narrative. but also there is this this effort look. I mean we we talked you know there's you. remember the uh what was that called. internet research agency right it was. yeah and so. the the potential for influence on the. elections right back in the day. um which wasn't that long ago and the. Chinese regime actually does it better. than the Russians right they've got way.

more resources uh they've got a much. longer view. um frankly they're more sophisticated. right. um and so sometimes you look at things. and you think well that doesn't make any. sense why you know why are we you know. acting in this way and then you think. well because you've got like a a local. or a Grassroots Community. activist group right and they're not. they're not Chinese spies they're not. working but they're the Chinese regime. identifies them and says you know what.

if we can influence them it's just pure. you know propaganda or covert action. campaign if I can influence that. activist group. to go out and tell those whomever the. city officials or the County. Commissioners or whatever that this is. bad right and this is we we need to stop. this right we shouldn't be mining for. lithium in Nevada or wherever uh we. shouldn't be pursuing you know uh. logical steps to get you know uh control. over the critical mineral supply chain.

issue right. um. why wouldn't you do that right it's it's. smart activity on the part of the. Chinese regime and the Intel service. there so that part of it to me makes. makes sense the problem we have is that. there's a lack of awareness right now. there was a. again it shows you I've been spending. too much time reading on the ship but I. I I'm fascinated by this this idea that. we're trying to do two things that are. completely opposed to each other stop.

fossil fuels and also keep critical. minerals from the ground that we're. going to need to pursue green energy. that part is amazing but I did actually. write down but that is part of the. problem with green energy is that it's. not really green because you do have to. mine and when you do mine there is. consequences there's consequences and. that's but as I mean as you pointed out. I mean look we we mine cleaner and safer. than anybody else and that's why there. was a I'm gonna actually read a quote.

this shows you like see how I feel like. I'm maturing I've got more organized I. know I know look this see I know there. have been times when you've been staring. at me thinking where the [ __ ] is he. talking about or he's is he going is he. taking a nap. um. so they had a hearing in Arizona not too. long ago about critical minerals the. issue of critical minerals and the. importance of them and the importance of. speeding up the permitting process if we. want again if we want to pursue a green. future you got to do it and uh this guy.

Congressman uh I know I've got a note. here goes are Paul gozar from wherever. Arizona said and this is a quote the. anti-mining actions by the Biden. Administration hurt America's economy. threaten our national security and push. mineral production abroad where. environmental and labor standards pale. and comparison with our own right and. that's absolutely correct and and again. all you have to do is look at what goes. on in the Democratic Republic of the. Congo. it's it's uh it's insane but I don't see.

that we're going to walk that back right. because there's just there's too much. pushback and no matter what mineral. you're talking about I don't see that. necessarily changing unless you get. maybe a change in administration and. then you get the effort to deregulate. and then you speed up permitting but at. some point we're going to be screwed. China China recently uh put the brakes. on exporting a couple of minerals that. are critical to producing mineral. systems and solar panels.

um and they've done it that in the past. right and that should be a clear signal. to us that we got to change our thought. process on all of this but I'm not. confident that will happen so anyway. yeah I'm not confident either because it. seems like that narrative is just in the. American public. you know the mining is bad we need to go. green but they don't see the. inconsistencies of taking those two. positions at the same time. same time well they yeah the Republicans.

have never done a particularly good job. of messaging right and they need to they. need to get better at it so and I think. they will there's a few there's a few. bills passed around apparently. um that may help the situation but uh. for now I guess. now with with China's kind of. significant control over the minerals as. it stands. um. we don't have any option other than to. deal with them right in a and so no. wonder we sometimes don't push back I. guess that's where I was coming back.

around you said well why don't we push. back or how we you know this we don't. have that much leverage right now. so I think that's part of the answer. um. well there's also we need a push for. nuclear. we're legitimate new nuclear power. plants in this country which is it's so. hard for people to wrap their heads. around because a three mile island and. Fukushima but that is the safest. cleanest. electricity that we can generate in this. country well you would think that that.

would be a logical. it's not a big leap right but you're. right people are so emotive right yeah. and they still you can say Three Mile. Island and that everybody knows right. right I mean and most people can't. retain a lot of information about. historical facts Chernobyl Chernobyl. yeah yeah and so and we've gotten better. at Safety Systems and redundancies right. so absolutely but you know it's a people. talk about why we've got to expand. nuclear energy and when you look at the.

deaths from nuclear they're so small. just in comparison to the chronic. illness that comes from coal I mean we. watched this documentary on this uh one. town was it is it Indian Indiana Jamie. that one town yeah where there's. multiple coal plants near the area and. these people have like a fine dusting of. particulate in their cars every day so. they're breathing this air yeah that has. this coal particulate this and there's a.

host of chronic illnesses that are. coming with this so many people have. respiratory conditions and yeah but. and and we have been we've been busy. trying to shut down you know use of coal. and and fine but you got to replace it. with something that's that's that's. pragmatic right right now solar and wind. isn't going to cut it right and we're. going to exaggerate about the efficiency. and efficacy of solar and wind they. really do love to sort of exaggerate how. effective it is and also how much energy.

it takes to generate a windmill just to. build one and maintain it right and and. also what going green is going to mean. to the grid system right and the demand. for electricity and all the cars and yes. that was the thing in California they. said by 2035 we're not going to sell any. internal combustion engines also don't. charge your car because it's hot out. yeah. everybody stay home. yeah oh God it is the test case for.

stupidity yeah well you know who knows. maybe uh the the current governor is. gonna you know throw his hat in the ring. I think he is you think so so yeah I. think I mean I'm an armchair uh. conspiracy theorist but uh if I had to. guess I would say that all this stuff. that's coming out slowly but surely. about Biden is on purpose and they want. they want to get rid of him I think he. wants to run again and I don't think the. Democrats think that he can win I think. they're right and I think they're gonna. slowly but surely expose more of these.

like very clear pieces of evidence of. corruption yeah the 20 million dollars. is [ __ ] bananas the fact that this. isn't all over the New York Times And. The Washington Post and mainstream news. that they're not blaring it from the. rooftops because you know they would be. if it was Trump oh absolutely or really. any you know any it wouldn't matter. Trump or or whomever would be on the GOP. side. um. no look I've got a I've got a uh.

intelligence and investigations firm you. may have heard of them. Portman Square group uh for all your. information and security needs and um. you've changed the name a couple times. huh. bill collectors. um yeah and uh but I've got. investigators great people that's that's. the most then most rewarding thing about. building a business is just the. wonderful people that you eventually get. to work with and they raise families and. they stick with you and um so I've got.

some investigators that I guess the. point is they could have wrapped this. puppy up uh some time ago right. it's an asset tracing exercise it's what. they're engaged in and. you know maybe they'll maybe they'll. stay focused maybe they'll keep going. and but when you've got an asset tracing. exercise you've got a myriad of of. single purpose companies set up you know. around there. um. first of all when you look at a at a. case and you say we've got 20 plus. single purpose companies set up here for.

pass-through of funds. that's what we would call a clue about. money laundering right that's that's why. you do that right to hide beneficial. ownership. um to hide the flow of funds and. transactions that are involved to to. obfuscate and make it difficult for the. obvious because their feeling is how. most people maybe dig once or twice but. then they'll get bored and they'll move. on right let's make this as complicated. as possible and so you start to see. there's always fraud indicators you.

start to see certain things in an. investigation and the great thing about. asset tracing also is that there are. records right and that's what they're. finding out now so and and I'm I'm glad. because whether it's a whether it's. Biden whether it's trump it wouldn't. matter if you've got an [ __ ] who's in. in office and is engaged in pay for play. right and there's no way frankly that. this President didn't know that he was. being used as the dog in the dog and. pony show right and so. they've got these these records.

available to them and with the power of. the government their ability to subpoena. and do all these things they can do they. will have the case figured out at some. point the problem with Washington is do. they have the the you know do they have. the grit to stick with it right and then. then the next question is does anything. happen as a result but it is in my mind. anyway for what that's worth uh there's. no doubt this is this is money. laundering and it is it's. it's pathetic as you pointed out that. there's so little interest right from a.

completely incurious well not in curious. but just a completely partisan uh. significant majority of the media they. don't. it's not that they don't care it's that. they do care and they're taking every. effort and they're now having to contort. themselves into certain ways because. it's getting more and more difficult to. provide top cover for the Biden. Administration but they've been trying. and you know they're just at some point. maybe the Dam breaks and there's so much. paper evidence that they can't ignore it.

anymore but you would have thought that. some enterprising young journalists who. understand the importance of objectivity. whether it's a Democrat or Republican. would have gotten off their ass. and really pursued this story because. that's a Pulitzer prize-winning story at. the end of the day. but yeah but the question is. what kind of pushback did they get in. pursuing that story how dangerous is it. for them to pursue that story because it. seems like it would be fairly dangerous.

I mean you're talking about. extraordinary amounts amounts of money. and this is just what's been uncovered. right right so we've only gone back to. what like 2 000 what 13 or 14 or. something yeah back to the VP days right. yeah yeah so what about before that like. what like when did this start yeah did. this only start when he was VP did he. get his son involved to give him some. sort of a meaningful. business it seems like he was a bag man. right and and. um and that's another part of this story.

that's fascinating so it's not like he. was producing anything it's not like. Hunter Biden was producing something. it's producing some good videos yeah. made some great photos yeah he seems. like the kind of guy that you would. expect to be involved in that kind of. behavior yeah I mean he's a wild boy and. he's also the sort of guy that you would. identify immediately if you were if you. were on the Chinese side of things as an. example oh yeah eight million dollars. whatever he's the target that's the guy. look at that that's your weekly next to. with the greatest access possible to the.

second most powerful person. theoretically in in the in the country. that's a fantastic Target right there's. all sorts of weaknesses there that you. can play off of and for them yeah 20. million over a few years. that's a [ __ ] yeah minor drop in the. bucket it's it's it's literally nothing. and and that that's it's a great Payday. for them and. whether it's barisma and and look there.

is no reason he was being placed on. boards other than access to his father. that any I mean even at somebody who's. highly partisan on the Democratic side. has got to at least be honest enough to. admit that so then the question becomes. all right was the at the time vice. president and then after that was he. aware did he know that Hunter was out. there doing all these things and using. access and at first it was like I had no. idea it wasn't talking and then suddenly. it's like well you know I was on some.

phone calls but it wasn't important and. now the media's got to spin that. narrative well he wasn't talking about. anything of a substance well this is a. new photo that just got released of him. on a plane to Ukraine in 2015. yeah so I. think this is to my point that I think. they're slowly releasing this stuff. because they plan on getting rid of them. yeah well if they do then what happens. to Kamala Harris she's gone yeah yeah. yeah there's no way you can't keep her. she's got the lowest approval rating of. any vice president ever.

including Dan Quayle. oh God it has a good people forgot about. that guy oh yeah yeah he was uh with. these Comics used to joke that that guy. was assassination Insurance. nobody wants to kill the president and. have that [ __ ] guy take over I forgot. about that but no but you're right and I. think if. yeah they can't yeah they can't move. Kamala Harris out as long as Biden's the. candidate right because they wouldn't. weather that optic. um but if he has to step aside then.

obviously it's a brand new ticket it's a. brand new day and they'll come up with. something so. you know I. I guess the question is do they firmly. believe that Biden can't win again. if it's Trump or whomever the only way. Biden's going to win again is never. Trump these never Trump people yeah. there are people that will vote for a. [ __ ] box of hammers before they would. vote for Trump and that's a that's a. real segment of our our population I. don't know what percentage is but it's. probably fairly High who are they have.

enough trust in the Democratic. establishment that they think that the. Democrats would figure out a way to run. the country better even with a puppet. than they would with Donald Trump in. office yeah well and I think there's. also the independence don't forget you. know the independence or sort of the. moderates that. um you know previously had voted for. Trump and then got tired of the chaos. and then in the last election said no. I'm not going to do that again I don't. think they walk it back and say yeah.

actually give me you know because I. don't people again very emotive. so well there's also this the the. indictments now what is your take on. this Georgia thing because the Georgia. thing is interesting because I was just. watching this video today that was. detailing what they were claiming was. evidence of fraud in the Georgia. election yeah and there's apparently. some videos of people moving boxes. around and doing some things that seem a. little at least on the surface. suspicious without an adequate.

explanation yeah. um I think it's uh. I think they don't care whether they win. or not and I think they brought a fairly. massive racketeering or Rico you know. charge at the top of this sort of a. criminal conspiracy yeah but it involves. like Trump plus 18 others and. um. I think they can't be stupid so they. probably understand that it falls apart. in appeal right and I don't think that's. going to hold up but I don't think they.

care because last night I mean again. that shows you how bizarre this is they. held a press conference right they. rushed this thing through first of all. well here's an interesting fact first of. all the indictment showed up uh on the. uh County website right uh in the. afternoon before the grand jury had. voted right and before they had come. across with what the charges would be. and and so all of a sudden that comes. across on on the public domain and I. think it was I think it was Reuters that.

snapped it and kind of ran with it as a. story but then it was taken down off the. County's website right and they were. asked about it later on and they said I. was uh fictitious or some [ __ ] right. so you wonder okay how did that get. leaked because then those charges that. showed up earlier in the day matched. what ended up being voted on by the. grand jury so that's a little odd and. it's as far as I can remember I think. it's illegal to leak that sort of. information right ahead of time but but. also how would they know how would they. know how the grand jury was going to. decide at the end of the day what. indictments to to throw out there or to.

put out there in this in this charge so. that's something that probably should be. looked at but in today's world may not. um but I think really she was pushing. last night at whatever 11 30 12 o'clock. at night who holds a press conference at. this point at that time of night. um but she was saying she wants it out. there and whether you know to start this. uh trial in six months. and so you know six months from now is. is uh whatever February.

so right in the middle of of uh all the. caucuses and all the all the campaigning. that goes on. and whether it's that one or whether. it's the one from DC or it doesn't. matter they just they're they're. creating a very. um lasting narrative that's going to go. through the election season and I think. that's really what they want and whether. any of this actually holds I don't think. they give a rat's ass you know something. some people do if this was happening in. the other direction. oh and by the way if Trump was in office.

and Biden was running against him and. this this evidence was available this. evidence of the all the corruption with. the sun I mean that's far clear. this is like real clear stuff well but. they always come back with it um well. look it was you know you know that the. Trump kids were working and doing. business and you think well you know. they had a business right they were real. estate developers there's there's. tangible activity there now. um you know it I that's that's part of.

the problem that's how it gets muddied. is is that people you know in the media. or people who are supportive of and. administration will say yeah but. everybody does it and everybody's. engaged in pay for Play Everybody's. engaged in influence pedaling and. there's you know some truth in that but. not everybody's engaged in money. laundering right that might you know be. worth some investigation but again. um I don't think that the point of this. exercise on the part of the the various.

DA's and and that's another thing like. the D.A down in in Georgia is is that's. an elected position and she's running. for office again and she's campaigning. based on getting Trump right and she's. raising money off off of uh this is what. I'm gonna do I'm gonna get drunk right. uh that seems a little odd too right I. mean I I don't know there's. it's no surprise that people are losing. confidence in uh in the government have. you looked at any of the evidence of uh.

election manipulation. um. some but I'll be honest with you I. haven't disappeared fully down that. rabbit hole yet uh I don't I you know I. I'm seems like it'll really suck in yeah. I think it would and there's you know. there's a lot of communities at the. times that I have looked there's a lot. of there's a lot of [ __ ] out there. um and. trying to uh trying to decipher what is. just. crazy ass [ __ ] from what is. legitimate and deserves investigation.

right. um I I'll be honest with you I just like. I run out of time and I'm just like I'm. sorry I gotta go you know watch one of. the kids games so. which by the way one of my kids the. middle boy Sluggo is uh heading to. Florida to go to boarding school at the. end of the month oh boy yeah he's gonna. go play basketball at IMG. which is amazing uh Academy amazing. amazing place is that going to be hard. for you having to go to boarding school. um and we couldn't wait to get him out.

of the house. no he's a great God he's a great kid. he's all all the boys are fantastic but. but he's very focused he's very. competitive he's been this is all he. wants to do is and and um he's been down. there before and they do a great job. um academically and sports wise it's. it's very much a sports focused program. does he want to play professionally uh. yeah I guess any kid that you know is. serious about what they do. oh he's about three foot two oh he's a.

white kid from Idaho I think he's got a. big future. um he's uh he's he's growing he's making. his way towards you know he's he's just. turned just turned whatever 14 and and. he's making his way towards six foot and. he'll he'll get he'll get as tall as he. needs to be for a point guard but he's a. focused uh he's a focused kid people are. doing all kinds of [ __ ] to their kids. now yeah they're juicing them up with. human growth hormone to get him to grow. it's crazy and they're you know they're. reclassing them three or four times. right having repeat Grace.

he's played some kids that are you know. honestly got it you know like they they. show up with a baby in the you know and. well it's a it's a [ __ ] business I. mean if you your kid can become a legit. professional athlete I mean there is. extraordinary amounts of money in that. yeah if the kids are good yeah you know. again it's you know for us you look at. that he's very realistic he understands. that you know and and uh but he loves. the game he's super into sort of the the.

you know the the intricacies of it right. and he's uh he's a selfless kid you know. he's he's all about you know getting the. ball passed properly getting the assist. right he's not he's not a he's not a. selfish player but but he's also. realistic about the the tiny tiny. statistics in terms of who gets to even. play D3 or D2 ball right right and then. certainly going on to to uh to. professional sports but. um it teaches a lot of other things. right and so boarding school for the. right kid uh can be a great experience.

can be a terrible experience for the. wrong kid but for the right kid it can. be a great experience and you know. teaches them Independence and and. discipline and motivation and and uh the. value of of hard work and and you know. just not taking [ __ ] for granted right. how often are you going to see him. um probably uh quite frequently because. um you know we we you know he's again. he's only he's young so we'll be down. there as often as possible. um but at the same time you want to let.

him run right you don't want to you know. you've got to give him room right we've. never been those sort of parents for any. of the kids where we sit on the. sidelines and watch their practices that. drives me [ __ ] crazy you know when. you've got parents or at every practice. you're sitting in their lawn chair just. you know watch it and you think just let. the kids do well or not yeah right but. yeah yeah so I think he's uh he again. he's very independent and I think I. think he'll be just fine but. um I forget how I I jumped onto that. boarding school boarding school yeah.

anyway yeah but it's it was a bit of a. it was a struggle to to get to the point. where we thought okay let's do it right. um the other two boys were like nah get. him out of the house it'll be fine it'll. be fine the youngest woman was like do I. get his room. um and all his stuff. um but yeah anyway and the oldest one. was just out at the Naval Academy. um there's there's a fantastic Place God. it was out there for a visit and and uh. had a chance to play some lacrosse and.

and uh you know whether he applies or. not uh again it's the experience of. seeing what's out there and what's. possible and you know if you leave all. the doors open for the kids and you try. to get them to understand the importance. of not shutting Doors by stupid Behavior. or poor academics or whatever it is. that's all you can do as a parent and. then at some point they run and they do. their thing but you know from our. perspective you just you got to keep. every door open for the kids. so they don't get there and think oh God. I should not have done that because now.

I can't go there or I can't do this. right. so we'll see but it was it was a great. experience. yeah yeah anyway so how we went from. Electric meddling no we went from. Pee-wee Herman yeah to election meddling. yeah to uh to my kids. um. yeah I get you know what because I've. got my list I'm gonna stick with my. [ __ ] list. yeah there was one other thing I wanted. to mention about how fascinating the um. the the our relationship with China is.

and that is uh also since the last time. we met. um the Chinese uh a Chinese company. pseudo-independent supposedly but. there's very few of those right they've. all got some level of State sponsorship. or cooperation. they bought like 300 some odd Acres. right in um near Grand Forks and. there's a Grand Forks Air Force Base. which is. home to uh whatever The 319th Fighter.

Wing or air wing and one of the things. the base does is it oversees in part to. the satellite systems that we run right. overseas surveillance drone operations. to some degree and so it's a very. sensitive base. so I'll be damned if this Chinese group. didn't buy up hundreds of acres of land. about 12 miles from from this base and. they worked with the local officials the. local uh folks there to say we want to. build a Milling plant a corn Milling.

plant right the company was a food. company and it's gonna be great it's. going to give you like 200 local jobs. let's build it and so the local. officials were like yeah that sounds. like a great idea well it ran through. the investment uh cypheus the investment. operation that looks at foreign. investment to make sure that it's it's. above board and kosher and Cynthia said. yeah we don't have any opinion we it's. not really our domain we don't see. anything wrong with this so we can't. cancel the the potential purchase and.

the air force uh had an other thought. and they said screw it that's no this is. a threat to National Security you can't. allow this to happen you can't allow. them to build this plant and so I'll be. damned in in one of those rare moments. of Common Sense they shut it down they. said you can't do this and so and then. that become a bit of an issue and then. started to see in Congress you started. to see all this talk about well my God. the Chinese are buying up Farmland all. across America so it's Bill Gates right. so it's Bill Gates yeah Bill Gates and.

the Chinese now the largest to be fair. the largest landowners uh uh in terms of. a foreign country is uh Canada so Canada. is by far the most uh U.S Farmland but. it was nice to see that there was some. uh reaction some common sense here and. and that they don't do that and that's. happening it's increasing so I think the. bright spot here is that people are. becoming more aware of the problem and. that not every time is nefarious not.

every time you know I'm not saying that. you know it's not always going to be. nefarious but you should at least be. smart enough to look and see it's like. when we talk about you know Chinese. equipment being put on Regional telecoms. all over the world over the country yeah. uh yeah little things like that we. should probably pay attention to I was. watching this video with this guy was. talking about. um these Chinese devices like a Roomba. like it was one of those type of deals. it was like uh one of those robots that. runs around your house yes yeah we got.

two of them and he said that it connects. to a Chinese server. and it says when the thing is loading up. it's connecting to this Chinese server. and that it connects to your network and. this Chinese server has potentially has. access to your network and could choose. to shut your network off siphon. information do anything it wants it's. like the internet of things right so. these things are connected. via your network and connected to all.

the devices that are on your network so. if your cell phone's on it Wi-Fi. whatever exactly yeah yeah and. that's been going on for some time right. I mean that's been the capabilities the. the ability to gather intelligence uh. from seemingly innocuous things your. your fridge that talks to you or or. whatever certainly obviously and you've. talked about this a lot that you know. the the cell phones. um. and and how hard you have to work to.

turn off applications that will do that. and most people just don't have the. patience right you gotta really dig. right if you want to prevent your. you know 80 inch tv in your home from. being switched on remotely as a monitor. what's going on your home you got to. really dig through the layers on that TV. to get to the point where you can switch. that off right and I mean who's got the. time nowadays but does that even work. yeah it doesn't even does it even work. exactly robot vacuums can use by hackers. to spy on conversations Singapore.

researchers say lidar phone attack can. take advantage of the device's built-in. sensor to gather potentially sensitive. data nus computer scientists discovered. to prevent misuse team advise owners not. to connect the robot vacuums to the. internet. wow yeah yeah. Jesus Christ could use a spy on private. conversations University said on Monday. the method called lidar phone repurposes. the lidar sensors that a robot vacuum. cleaner normally uses for navigating. around a home into laser-based. microphone to eavesdrop on private.

conversations oh terrific. yeah yeah pretty wild and I read. something about the use of Wi-Fi to see. things in a home and that there's the. ability that Wi-Fi has to gather 3D. images yeah which is [ __ ] crazy. um. yes I I a couple of friends yeah. scientists now use Wi-Fi to see through.

people's walls what the [ __ ] Carnegie. Mellon University can map human bodies. through walls using Wi-Fi signals I. think it's super creepy but I've read. that you can do that with ethernet. cables. ethernet cables yeah they can at least. use it to hear. yeah anything that emanates anything I. mean there's there's the ability to and. it yeah it does start to look like a Tom. Clancy movie where remember they used to. in the old days you see this movie they. could like use and they could identify. people moving through the building right.

that was that was all [ __ ] back in. the day I mean that was imagined right. when people were thinking like wouldn't. that be great and it is great right if. you roll up on a Target site now and. you're wearing the old you know highly. Advanced super soldier Google Glasses. right and you're getting all that data. fed into you right and you're getting. heat signatures and you're you know you. know I got four people on the other side. of this this uh structure I mean that's. that's fantastic intelligence or you can. you know you again you know the. battlefield has changed completely now I. mean the Drone capability and be able to.

look down field and know what you've got. yeah. um to be able to reach out and touch a. Target without getting your guys in In. Harm's Way I mean it's it is it's it's. an amazing world. um but it's also pretty. um what's the word I don't say. frightening necessarily but it's. alarming right for just the average. citizen in terms of again information. that's being gathered on you and. I I think most people just at this stage. of the game.

certainly I think maybe younger folks. just don't care yeah they're on Tick. Tock yeah you know I was talking to my. friend Cam's son and I was like you know. that thing's [ __ ] siphoning data off. because he's on Tick Tock always I don't. care it's fun I'm like okay well I guess. you know he's just a 24 year old kid. he's got nothing to worry about yeah. yeah well that's why I stopped doing my. Tick Tock dances you know because I used. to post all you were very good I think. you should bring them back I was doing. the whatever the philosophy and the. Rumba or I don't even know what the. dances are anymore. um but uh anyway today today this is.

look at me Segway uh today is the. two-year anniversary of the Afghan. withdrawal um. um. and uh. I was uh I forget how I got started on. that one but I was I was looking at. total cost of what we spent so far in. Ukraine. and not only is it a two-year. anniversary of the withdrawal from uh. from Afghanistan but other comparisons. um we've spent in Ukraine since whenever. January 2022 so you know a little over a.

year obviously a year and a half. we've dropped about upwards north of 80. billion dollars there right more than. that in all honesty because I don't. think we actually know what the full. number is I don't think the state. department knows I don't think the. Pentagon actually knows they certainly. don't know necessarily all the money is. going to but we've dropped at 80 billion. say let's call it that. um from 2001 to 2020 in Afghanistan. we spend about.

73 74 billion dollars. so think about that wow almost 20 years. in Afghanistan we spent about 73 billion. dollars about a year and a half in. Ukraine we've spent 80 billion dollars. plus I'm not saying it's you know that. we shouldn't be doing it or that we. should you know we we should you know. not be supporting the Ukrainian uh. military I'm just saying it's a. fascinating fact as far as I'm concerned. it just shows. the level of support you know Ukraine is. is is uh at the top of our.

um obviously we have we don't give that. much money to anybody by far right and. the last time that. last time a European was country it was. at the top of of the of the aid list was. you know the Marshall Plan maybe. um. uh the Truman Administration so it's. pretty significant but the Afghanistan. thing. um two years after the withdrawal we've. spent since then since since the. withdrawal we've spent or the US. government's allocated about eight.

billion dollars. now the interesting point there is who's. been in control there in Afghanistan. since. you know the withdrawal it's a Taliban. so we have allocated eight billion. dollars. to various humanitarian groups charities. into Afghanistan. and no real. no real controls over whether the vast. majority of that money or half of that. money or whatever is going to the.

Taliban and really yeah and you can. guarantee that it's being siphoned off. how does that work. well. um I'm glad you asked that. um it wasn't that long ago there was a. because there is an inspector General. they call almost uh see the special in. the special Inspector General for. Afghanistan reconstruction seaguar. um and he testified before Congress uh I. think much earlier this year it might.

have been the the January February time. frame about Afghanistan. and um he said. I cannot sit here and tell the sub the. committee or the American taxpayer that. we are not funding the Taliban. through the this money that is being. allocated for Afghanistan. whoa okay unfortunately as I sit here. today I cannot assure this committee. that the American taxpayer.

uh or the American taxpayer that we are. not currently funding the Taliban he. continued nor can I assure you that the. Taliban are not diverting the money we. are sending to the intended recipients. which are the poor Afghan people. wow yeah so think about that 20 years in. Afghanistan. we leave in a in a [ __ ] mess of a. withdrawal right which never should have. taken place the way it did and we've. still got there's maybe a 150 155.

000 uh special immigrant Visa applicants. trapped in Afghanistan waiting to get. out we don't we have no idea how many. um of our former Afghan allies right. whomever it may be. are still there trapped trying to get. out and how many have been killed and. how many exactly how many have been. killed and in the meantime no now again. you know the idea at the top level you. know the theory we want to help the. Afghan people we can't just abandon all.

those poor people so we're going to use. the money to give it to humanitarian. groups and they're going to try to feed. them and everything. and yet there's no control over this. this [ __ ] thing and and so. that's that's a problem that again. should be talked about but we don't you. know we get lost in these in these. issues of the day that that aren't you. know really impactful I guess at the end. of the day maybe they're impactful to. people's you know individual lives again. whatever what the hell but it is. stunning that then the Inspector General.

will come out and say he can't get uh. sufficient uh information from state. department and from usaid that's. responsible in part for allocating these. funds. um and in pure typical Washington DC. uh [ __ ]. the reason is because the state. department says well you know we. withdrew from Afghanistan so therefore. the the the Inspector General you know. doesn't have the same job we're not. reconstructing Afghanistan anymore so we.

don't have to respond to his requests. for information. so which is you know it's just it's like. this bizarre but we're going to continue. to give money out and meanwhile the. taliban's just [ __ ] all over the. people right uh if you forget about. women's rights anymore they've shut down. secondary schools they've shut down. there's certainly no universities. they've done. they've restricted them basically to you. know women and girls to sitting at home. um they they very restrictive movement.

outside they have to be fully covered. obviously. um recently they just they just shut. down all beauty salons right which was. one of the few places women could work. and only women could go into uh women. can't go into Parks right they can't go. it's it's it's insane when you think. about it that way and you think about. yeah but we're giving them money again. not for a bad reason right I mean we. want to help. um the the the people that are suffering. most how does that money but we have no.

control right what what happens to that. money like how does how could that money. possibly get to the Taliban like what's. going on well it has to go through. um it has to go through humanitarian. groups ngos. um Charities and. at some point the idea is it's either. funds or or Goods right that have to be. in the country that have to get to the. country to be dispersed and the Taliban. controls everything right now by the way. we also allocated a handful of billions.

of dollars to recapitalize the central. bank there in Afghanistan well that. would seem to be Maybe I'm Wrong that. would seem to be basically putting money. directly into the hands of the Taliban. um and so it's it's a problem you know. they're looking into it. but uh. I mean there's there's so many weird if. you if you spend too much time looking. at the way the government sometimes. operates and going switching back to. Ukraine and saying Okay. um. where as an example one of the things. we're not doing is we're not fully.

sanctioning Russian oil because why it's. a political reason we don't want the. Russian oil taken off the market and. driving gas prices up which is bad for. politics right so meanwhile one of the. few real you know significant sources of. revenue for the Russians is oil that. allows them to keep going so we're. spending what 80 billion dollars on. Ukraine at the same time we're not doing. everything we can to shut down the.

ability of the Russian government to. make money by sanctioning the oil the. way we should and therefore. um they continue marching on. it's I don't know I just find it all. you know going back to that original. thought you know it's like we're going. to stop fossil fuels but we're also. going to keep all the minerals in the. ground how about that but the the Russia. thing seems to be the Russia Ukraine. thing seems to be even crazier than the. Afghanistan thing in terms of long-term.

costs and in terms of not having any. solution of how this could ever possibly. end. yeah no I I 100 I agree with that it's. we don't have a we don't have a whatever. they want to call it an exit ramp a uh. end game. um there is talk about a peace. settlement primarily from zielinski. right he's been he's been making a real. effort he's been going out and. trying to Garner support from a variety. of countries. for his uh or for the Ukraine.

government's peace plan which basically. calls for return of all their lands. including Crimea and obviously the exit. of all Russian forces. and so he's out there talking and saying. this is what needs to happen this is we. need to gather international support for. this peace plan if it's going to work. which is not incorrect right meanwhile. you know the Chinese are are trying to. you know play top dog in the world stage. by proposing their own peace plan. um you know Saudis are making an effort. so but there is no there's no exit.

strategy really to speak of but Hazen. zielinski openly stated that he wants. Putin to step down. well. um yeah I mean he's it he's expressed. that desire but you also think about. they've declared him a war criminal so. what's what's Putin's you know what what. what's Putin's uh motivation for for. stopping if he reaches a peace. settlement and then is basically that's. it okay we're done uh there's peace.

we've given back all the land and I'm a. war criminal and now at some point if I. step outside the country I'll be. arrested and I mean that's that's a. thought process so. um. I don't think. unless zelenski budges a little bit. right. um which you know again from a motive. standpoint why should he right but. unless he budges to some degree uh I. don't see that they're going to get a. settlement where the two sides agree. because Putin I don't I don't still I've.

said this before but I don't imagine the. the Russian government giving back. Crimea right it's right it's you know. too important from their perspective. from a military perspective and whether. they take over Crimea all right wasn't. that 14 2014 I think. maybe maybe eight maybe 2014. I don't. know it's it's ancient history now and. nobody cared back then right really. really there was there were some angry. memos written. um Obama talked about at the time and. said but nobody did anything just like.

when the troops moved into eastern. Ukraine nobody really cared nobody did. anything nobody was out there planting. Flags in their Gardens and saying we. stand with Ukraine. and in fact Ukraine was viewed as a. highly corrupt place you know. um where you know a Ukrainian Energy. company would hire the son of the vice. president. yeah oh. um but at the same time you can't you. know you CA we can't allow Putin's uh. adventurism right to stand you've gotta.

so I do believe we we have to support. and without our support without our NATO. allies support and others they wouldn't. have been able to accomplish what. they've done right and now whether they. can make the counter offensive. um a significant Victory or not Still. Remains to be seen because the Russians. you know they used the opportunity. during the lull to really dig in right. they've created almost Their Own maginal. Line although it's more effective than. the old imaginal line so they they've. created that along their their their.

perimeter and it's been a real tough. slog you know the Ukrainian counter. offensive has gone much slower than. people thought everybody was all very. emotive oh it's going to be a counter. offensive they're going to sweep through. it's going to be done here soon. and I don't think people still have. their heads around the fact that this is. there's there's no exit out there right. yet so what are we going to do are we. going to continue to just allocate every. every couple of months we say well we're. putting another 800 million dollars in. there. um you know we've already you know. approved f-16s Abrams Tanks Patriot.

missile system I mean High Mars we're. doing everything possible intelligence. support satellite support. um and again. rightly so you know Putin you know needs. to be driven out of there if possible. but at the same time they need a logical. thought process about how you have a. settlement if there's going to be one. and what are your feelings about NATO's. encroaching on Russian territory like. getting closer and closer like the.

treaty at the the the the the end of the. Soviet Union stated that that NATO would. not move any closer to Russia but yet. they have and yet they have yeah and. it's had just the opposite effect right. I mean what Putin did because he's you. know I think he he imagined and he had. bad Intel but he imagined that this. incursion this invasion was going to uh. show the cracks in NATO right and it had. the opposite it grew NATO and so.

um look he legitimately believes you. have to understand the motivations of of. whoever's on the other side of the table. and with Putin he legitimately believed. that you know the collapse of the Soviet. Union was a terrible terrible tragedy. right and he's been trying to recreate. in some fashion the whole thing so. um he looks at that and that's just. further. um that reinforces his mindset which is. in his mind I don't think he's you know. I don't think he's.

um making this up in his mind he. believes you know this is an attack on. the motherland now it's [ __ ] it's. not but that's how he pitches it and. that's how he tries to keep the. population behind him by saying this is. this is the West against us right and. there's no argument for that you don't. think the with NATO encroaching. um well I think every country has got. the right to you know take actions to. protect their own National Security. right like if Russia started moving. military bases into Mexico.

yeah right which is kind of similar well. think about NATO as done oh the Cuban. Missile Crisis I mean that was the same. concept no difference right so yes I. mean that's and so. we. you have to be. pragmatic about the world that you live. in and you have to understand and that. requires good intelligence you have to. understand the plans and intentions and. motivations of whoever again is on the. other side of the table or whatever. dictator or whatever leader you're.

dealing with and uh I think that. is it helpful in reaching a peace. settlement look if all your goal is and. maybe we need you know maybe we need to. say that okay is the U.S goal to drive. Russia completely out and reclaim all. the lands that they had taken since 2000. right. um then fine that's our stated goal and. we just keep doing everything possible. to make that happen short of boots on. the ground but.

um it would seem to me that our goal. should also be uh instead of that maybe. we find a way to end the war right. typically you get into a war and you. want to end it right and that's you know. I wanted to go on for 20 years. so unless you are supplying weapons and. making billions of dollars then you. might want to keep it there is quite a. while there is that and um and look but. um. look there's this you get two bites of.

the apple right you get to supply all. the weaponry and then you get the. reconstruction. yeah and I'll tell you right now there. is an undercurrent in Washington DC. amongst contractors that are just. they're they're just super gleeful we're. not that's the wrong word but they're. they're enthusiastic enthusiastic and. anticipatory I don't know if that's a. word about this potential and I saw this. um back during the Iraq days right when. we went in to reconstruct Iraq right. which went on for several years produced.

massive amounts of fraud uh created all. sorts of [ __ ] 8A companies right. everybody suddenly everybody was looking. for women-owned or uh Native American. owned or Eskimo owned companies that. they could set up so that would allow. them to get those government contracts. to go in and do some piece of. reconstruction whether they had. experience to do it or not. and there was a my God the amount of. energy that was involved in DC at the. time of companies just shooting up out. of nowhere right I remember people.

walking through the door we'd had an. office in DC uh for the business and and. and people walking through the door with. you know looking for security right and. saying well we're going to start this uh. company we're going to go out there and. I was like well how much experience do. you have we don't have any you know they. didn't care so we're I I sense that same. level of excitement. um in the idea of the Ukraine. reconstruction. um because that's going to be a talk. about the next sinkhole of again I.

you got to support them right so maybe. I'm using the wrong terminology but the. next Black Hole of cost of money spent. will be on the Reconstruction effort and. if we think that it's currently. expensive wait till that hits right. that's going to make this 80 billion. dollars so far it looked like nothing I. think that's just my opinion but so I I. don't know I there's no you know you. keep talking I keep talking in circles. about this because I don't see any any. way out of it right it's um both sides. are are not going to budge at least in.

the short term midterm on what they want. are you concerned at all about the. possible use of nukes. no I don't think so I don't think I. don't I mean you know Medvedev has. thrown that out every now and then right. he's kind of alluded to it nothing's off. the table and but. um mcputin's still a rational player. right he may seem like he's irrational. at times or he's you know this was an. incredibly stupid move but I don't think. he's off the rails he understands that's. not that's that can't be on the table as. an option so I'm not really worried.

about that I'm more worried about the. the long slow slog that we find like. wait nobody nobody ever anticipated we'd. be in Afghanistan for 20 years right and. look at this I mean it's a it's a. perfect case study of you probably. should have an end in mind right. otherwise it just keeps going because in. part. because it you know some people. unfortunately do benefit from it some. you know major players out there who who. benefit from that sort of thing and.

you know other people trying to do the. right thing for sure of course but I I I. you would think that Afghanistan you. would have a a perfect case study but we. didn't have a case study sorry I take. that back we had a case study in what. the Soviets did in Afghanistan and we we. didn't learn [ __ ] from that right when. we went in we ended up making the same. mistakes you know make the same hubris. look there were years where we knew. um. during that 20 years that there were.

immense weaknesses and Corruption inside. the government the Afghan government and. the military we knew for years that. um the the Afghan military. was uh problematic right and so this. idea that we were surprised or shocked. that they fell apart in in a matter of. hours basically as the withdrawal was. taking place. is it's just [ __ ] we just ignored it. we didn't want to hear it we didn't want.

to tell the truth about it and so if we. had been truthful you know we would have. said no this isn't going to work you. know and and you know by the way we. never you know look that that withdrawal. was a disaster we gave up Bagram Air. Base all right what the [ __ ] are we. doing yeah if we're gonna withdraw and. pull everybody out and get all our. allies and and contacts and people had. supported us while those years out we. had the perfect resource to do that and. we didn't you know they shut it down and. then they you know they used Hamad. Karzai airport now is it just from a.

simple security process I mean we do. security assessments on large you know. facilities and and. it's not rocket science right you see. the same things over and over again and. in terms of you know how you protect. your assets and how you protect your. people and how you move things that's a. part of a logistical exercise. and they just [ __ ] ignored it and. they they ended up using this airport. people died as a result didn't have to. it should never have and yet you know. and then they come out with a [ __ ].

assessment earlier this year the White. House does and basically blames the. Trump Administration. um for you know cutting a deal with the. Taliban with a timeline that had. conditions which the Taliban never met. and which we didn't have to stick with. frankly and yet you know we thought. politically the optic would be bad if we. didn't and so they decided to withdraw. and they did it in a you know. disgustingly you know insecure fashion. and. you know they blame that they blame the. Intel community and yes you know.

we should the the way that we. characterized the the ability of the. Afghan military government to hold. together was was abysmal right so that. was a serious mistake. um but the steps that were then taken uh. in terms of leading up to that and the. the speed with which they tried to do it. was you know that's on them. um. so anyway that's a that's a cheery. little conversation yeah yeah that.

doesn't sound fun it doesn't sound like. there's a good solution here. well no and then um so so we got that. um. you know I I have no idea where with. with uh with Ukraine. um because sure there's diplomatic. efforts underway that we don't see that. aren't on the radar right so aside from. zelensky uh trying to Garner support for. his deal you know obviously we've got. the US is doing other things.

um but. the public wouldn't know it and I think. the government and the military. government in particular the White House. needs to be better at explaining things. right what's going on and why we're. doing this right because you don't want. Aid military in particular to dry up to. the Ukrainian government. but you know if they don't do a better. job of explaining why we're spending. this money people are going to get fed. up or they're going or they're going to. start questioning is this really. something that we should be worried.

about right and you know it's tough when. you got problems at home it's tough to. get people to focus on something as. large as. you know you don't want the recreation. of the Soviet Union because and that. might encourage China on Taiwan and then. you know anyway yeah are you concerned. about that about Taiwan yeah yes is is. the is the answer. um because uh I think I think G looks at. what's happening in Ukraine and he.

probably thinks all right uh that's. Russia you know small GDP equal to a. European country small European country. he looks at China and says okay is the. West really going to you know go uh into. a proxy war over Taiwan and I think. their calculation is probably no so I. think from their perspective it's a. matter of time and they're probably. calculating can we do this in a slow. sort of soft War way you know where we. just.

seed the ground that eventually we have. Taiwan much like you know with Hong Kong. where we we you know eventually we look. and go oh Hong Kong right it used to be. a Bastion of democracy in that whole. spot they put the squash on that so. uh yeah I think that that's a real. problem and I think XI. um views this as important to do during. his time right I don't think he's going. to want to leave that on the table. and not have that as part of his legacy. right so I think the timeline has been.

accelerated and it may well be that the. timeline is essentially how long does g. view himself in power. so I think that's a problem. um but you know do we honestly believe. that we're going to put boots on the. ground in Taiwan to fight the Chinese. regime I I don't I don't think so. um so what does that mean right do we. just it's it's it's a problem you know. we. um but you know I don't know the word I. don't know that we're overly.

um. focused right now we tend to We tend to. do one thing at a time you know as a. government right right now the the thing. is Ukraine what is the difference. between the way the the Taiwan operates. our government and the way China would. operate it if they took over. well. part of its access right and given. taiwan's importance and sort of uh in. the tech sector you know their their. chip manufacturing and and. um that would.

that would create potentially another. real bind in the supply chain system. right for for future use right you have. to think about down the road if if we. got into a major conflict with China at. some point what are they going to do. well they're going to they're they're. going to stop anything they can right. that that would help us right so their. ability to restrict. um the importation of chips necessary. for my you know much of our economy now. in terms of running.

um that's a that's a sort of a key Point. that's that's more of a practical. economic issue right then you've got the. issue of well look it's a democracy. right are we just going to let another. democracy get ruled by the communist. government. um that sounds like an old 1960s Cold. War Theory but. uh yeah I. I I the reality is our values and our s. and what we think important right say. one thing the realities of of how that.

would play out say something else right. so again it's hard to marry those up are. we going to how far would we go down the. road to protect Taiwan and so maybe what. that means is you know down the road we. need to be better at. um you know manufacturing on our own we. got to bring things back which is part. of what's all that talk about onshoring. and bringing manufacturing back that's. that's part of it underlying that is our. concern over National Security issues. should they get you know. um control of of uh you know more.

um. Commodities well that was one of the. more shocking things about the pandemic. was when you realize how dependent we. are on China for medicine for chips for. so many different things that they. produce that we don't produce over here. and like how did we allow that to happen. and did we just allow that to happen. because there's higher profit margins. and we put the entire country at risk. because of that I think it was yeah we. got addicted to cheap stuff right.

um and both you know cheap cheap stuff. and and you know high-tech cheap stuff. so listen to me well that's a smart. fellow there. um and so I think that was part of it. was was uh it just it at the time it. made sense right and we didn't imagine. at the time look we had we had the. opening of our relationship with China. and it was going to be a new day right. we went through that with a cold war. right and we finished the Cold War the. wall fell and suddenly we're all like oh.

there's got to be a peace dividend here. right. um we keep repeating the same mistakes. we came out of of World War II as an. example this may not be the best example. but we came out of World War II at the. time we had the office of strategic. Services which was the predecessor to um. uh the CIA. so World War II ends and like the next. day. um you know Truman says uh thanks very. much you know now close the doors on on. the OSS right sent Bill Donovan home.

don't let the screen door hit your ass. on the way out and they shut it down. because they imagined that's it well you. know why do we possibly need this. organization that's you know out there. doing Special Operations and Gathering. intelligence and you know we won and so. they stopped it and then the you know. the Soviets went on the March and. suddenly they were like okay [ __ ] it. maybe we need it so they started the CIA. right and that's that's the uh that's. the lesson that should have been learned. from there was he always going to need. an Intel apparatus that helps support. National Security concerns.

um so there was that then we had the. opening of a relationship again with. China and I think there was this. imagining that suddenly things were. different right we're gonna we're gonna. grow and and that really the the entire. uh interconnectedness of our economies. just blew up at that point it really. expanded and so you know we maybe didn't. see. um exactly what their plans and. attentions motivations were you know and. we always mirror our values right so you.

know we imagine everybody's marching. towards democracy and that's not how it. works so I think we you know that's. that's in part how we ended up in this. situation but now there again there's. more effort and more understanding I. think. um to go ahead and. um. you know uh onshore and and be more. concerned about the supply chain and. you're right the pandemic pointed that. out right pretty clearly. um and and I think maybe that helped. accelerate the process but it's going to. take years look it takes.

it takes years just to do the simple. things right we talked about the mining. issue and critical minerals and the. things that we need to lessen our. dependence on China's control over. critical minerals you're talking about. six eight nine ten years right to get a. mine open in the U.S right so you know. you think down the road we better you. know I guess my point is we better. accelerate our ability to do this right. just to be pragmatic maybe hopefully one. day we're all holding hands and.

everybody's singing Kumbaya and you know. unicorns are flying on our ass but I. think it's probably not going to happen. so we we just need to be a little uh. more aware yeah yeah I sound very. cynical. well with good reason yeah it seems like. a good time to be a little bit cynical. yeah. yeah I suppose I mean. um. yeah I remember my wife told me uh. yesterday when I was leaving she says.

try to be try to be. more positive more optimistic yeah she. said she said I worry you always sound. like you're really negative and you're. you always yeah well you just yeah. informed yeah yeah I think that's the. problem yeah I think I've spent enough. time I've just been I've been I've. gotten very cynical about the way that. countries interact with each other and. our ability to to be uh realistic about. that rather than just design strategies. based on what we'd hoped for what we.

feel like would be good to happen right. um so maybe that's maybe that's part of. it yeah what's your take on all this UAP. disclosure [ __ ]. I'm shocked that you would ask that. no that was that was a that was a. fascinating hearing that was a. fascinating hearing yeah. um and was it shocking at all to you no. no I think uh I mean it was it was I I. loved uh listening and and.

but I I can't say that anything came out. of it even with with the uh Dave gross. testimony I mean he'd kind of come out. there before but I think. um. a couple of things I think it's it's. it's excellent that we're actually. having these hearings and there's a. subcommittee and that they're actually. um looking at this issue because I think. the more transparency the problem the. government's had in the past is not. being transparent enough.

um and so I think that was great I think. David fraver I've had a chance to sit. with him in the past and what was your. impression uh he's I think he's very. credible I think he's very credible I. was talking with Jamie earlier you don't. get you know you don't get to that point. right yeah you're not a commanding. officer on a carrier he was on the. Nimitz at the time when he was in 2004. you don't get to that point by being. irrational or hallucinating up in the. air or you know just being Whimsical. um and the same with the other fellow.

Ryan Graves the other pilot he was. flying Hornets out of at a Virginia. Beach. about 10 years later when they were he. reported on some of these incidents. so that to me is is very credible and I. have not seen anything from the Pentagon. from the government that as an example. explains uh favors uh encounter and and. also I mean look he had a wingman uh her. name was Alex Dietrich she was a. lieutenant commander at the time.

um she observed the same thing and they. have radar lock right down on the. carrier. um they knew what they were they they. there wasn't just one person looking up. in the sky and saying all right I see a. light you know I see something right. this was this was a very legit sighting. and there's no there's been no. explanation as to what it is so it is a. legitimate uh UAP unidentified you know. anomalous or anomaly uh you know. phenomena and.

I so I think that's that's one thing I I. find David forever extremely credible. I've never met Ryan Graves but uh again. given his experience and given the fact. that. um you know they weren't he wasn't the. only person seeing this right uh off of. uh Virginia Beach back in 2014. and with. Ryan Graves when they upgraded their. sensors they upgraded the capabilities. of these Jets that's when they started. seeing all these things and he said it.

was shocking yeah but they were. encountering them all the time yeah and. some of those fine you can you know. whatever they may be they're just you. know you've got a you know a more. sophisticated uh system on board you're. just seeing. um things out there that you wouldn't. have picked up before okay and and so. some of those things then become. um maybe sightings that then are. explained right what is it is it a. balloon is it a drone what whatever it. may be. um but.

you know when you when you get an. experienced pilot flying by and saying. hey I saw something it was a you know. Cube inside a sphere. um well okay well let's let's at least. log it record it without any. um criticism or pushback right have a. way to investigate and that's been their. problem that's what they talked about. during the hearing also again they've. talked about this before but if you if. you stigmatize uh you know the pilots. that are seeing these things. then yeah of course you want to get and.

what did what did uh Graves say he said. like five percent get reported right so. and that's because nobody wants to you. know get back on deck or land and and. say yeah I saw so yeah I saw UAP or I. saw UFO back in the day. um so you have to make the system more. accessible right for the sightings and. then you have to have a way for national. security purposes to investigate them. um. what do you think these things are.

I don't know yeah yeah I think. I I think a the the logic of. um. of saying that we're we're doing this. because if you have something out there. that you observe that you can't identify. propulsion or any sort of you know uh. known to us systems. then yeah that's a problem so a is it is. it a hostile element is there first of.

all is it is it just some something that. is you know is showing up on the radar. and it's a natural phenomena and it's a. whatever Parallax whatever they call it. then. fine. or is it something from a uh a foreign. government that new technology being. developed propulsion systems Materials. Science whatever it may be and they are. working on these things all the time. right hypersonics is the perfect example. right the Chinese and the Russians are. frankly still ahead of us in Hypersonic. capabilities right because they've.

invested longer and more effort into. developing hypersonics uh systems so you. have to figure out is it a hostile. foreign government doing this and then. the other part is all right well is it. non whatever Dave gresh says non-human. or is it a is it a you know uh. legitimately from not from from Earth. that can't be taken off the table right. I mean look it's. um. we you know we've said this before I I'm. not smart enough to know what I don't.

know right I mean well maybe uh maybe I. am but. we've explored such a tiny tiny part of. space right that it would be ridiculous. for us to think that we don't you know. that we can write it off right that it's. not there right no idea right but I do. know that. you can't discount anything because. again going back to the reason why you. do it it's in our national security. interest to figure out what the hell it. might be and at some point if you end up.

if you start with like right now the. the new office the new offices whatever. it's called typical government the all. domain. uh uh anomaly resolution office right. that's that's what they came up with at. the Pentagon yeah so this guy uh or this. person Dr Kirkpatrick runs it I think. he's the director. they've said they've got what upwards of. 800 cases that they're investigating so. jeez yeah and they're and it's growing I. mean you know some Reports say it's. growing by like 100 150 cases a month.

right in terms of sightings they then. get logged in and now they've got to. investigate well that's a smart thing. right they do that and maybe you take. off 90 of them or even more but you end. up with this short list of things. perhaps like the Tic Tac in 2004 with. David fravor where you just don't have. an explanation okay fine then. then then you know be but be more be. more transparent about it right and. Ryan Graves said something interesting.

during the the hearings and he said that. if if. if the general public or if Congress. could see the. sensor uh and video data that he's seen. then it would change the national. conversation right. that's a really interesting statement. from a experienced uh former pilot right. from the F-18 pod uh. so that deserves more scrutiny right and.

that also means well maybe the. government should release a few more you. know videos that they may have maybe. they should release some of this because. they haven't released radar data they. haven't really been open about that and. so the you know there's still. information or data points on the Tic. Tac for instance that hasn't been. released it's considered still. classified well you know what what the. [ __ ] you know tell us why not I mean. what what is it I mean if if you. honestly haven't figured out whether. it's.

um. foreign technology or not then maybe you. should put it out there and maybe the. the commercial sector will help you in. that investigation right because what. would be the motivation to not be. transparent about it and is there any. possibility that any of this stuff is. ours. like the Tic Tac. um is it possible that there's some. Black Ops. well thing going on where they've. developed some Advanced system of. propulsion that is completely. independent from you know burning fossil.

fuels and shooting them out the back to. propel something to go forward yeah yeah. um yes is the answer I think there is. that possibility. um and one thing that Dave gresh said. look I don't know I don't know about his. his comments about because he was. speaking from look I haven't seen any of. this you know I've gotten it from. interviewing you know dozens of. witnesses this is you know what I know. this is what I believe now. but one thing that he did say was that. he believes and he's seen he says.

evidence that. the government is misappropriating funds. right in order to prevent government. oversight of certain programs right now. is that true I don't know but is it a. practice that has occurred in the past. where they will bury a program right. inside another budget. and the answer is yes that they've done. that you know repeatedly for secrecy.

reasons right and. as a matter of fact. um that was the premise for uh America's. favorite show black files Declassified. which is America's favorite show that is. America yes. um. I was as uh America's TV sweetheart for. a while. um and so the premise of that show was. follow the money right right and and and. it it's a great promise right I mean. look because at some point just like. with the Biden Administration you know.

situation and they're looking at their. bank records there will be a trail. somewhere that money has to eventually. show up somewhere and usually it's a. line item that's not easily explained. usually in some mundane terms whatever. it might be so Graves is absolutely. correct in the sense that that's. something worth looking at right and if. there are programs like that then the. reason is okay we keeping it secret. because we don't want uh the Chinese. regime to know we don't want the. Russians to know. um and.

and so you know again having come from. where I come from I get it sources and. methods there are reasons for Secrets at. times but uh if that's not the case then. I see no reason not to be more open and. transparent about uh some of the other. information that they may have and the. sightings they have you know I know. Graves was talking about they've got. biologics and yeah you know those things. um did grave say that I know that oh not. great no no gresh said that yeah I'm. sorry yeah not yeah that was not Crush. said there's frozen bodies yeah yeah and.

that there's a crash retrieval program. crashed potato that was a big one that. caused a big stir they've been running. for decades he said I think I think. he said that uh. he said that the government in his in. his opinion based on his interviews as. he was working I think with the national. reconnaissance office and he was tasked. with going around and you know. identifying the programs or related to. uaps. he said that. um the U.S government was likely aware.

of non-human. um activities since like the 1930s now. what I would say is based on my years of. experience with the government. um. it's. really hard for them to keep a secret. right and that's a Monumental secret and. at some point you know it's human. activity and human nature someone's. going to open up their pie hole wasn't.

that what Bob Lazar did yeah yeah and. now when you pay attention to some of. the video footage that has been released. about these uh unidentified objects and. when you listen to what Bob Lazar said. about how these things operate it mimics. that. not only that like the way he described. the propulsion method whoa that's a good. save yeah thank you very much I set the. whole studio on fire. um it mimics what he said he also talked.

about you know that there was some. possibility there was. this this crash retrieval program is. what he was working on but he said there. was some talk about biological entities. yeah yeah and. there's there's mixed feelings about how. you know how reliable bobbins are you. know is was I mean sorry yeah so. um. but and it's not a new assertion right I.

mean there's been talk about this before. so but that's my point about the secrecy. yeah and and and I think. but if that's I guess. yeah my my point on that is. um. not only that they people can't keep. their pilot show but there would have. been more detailed. information that something would have. come out that again that's that's my own. feeling I I just have a hard time. believing the government is that good at. keeping a secret right sometimes it. seems like they can't organize panic in.

a doom submarine so I think that that's. from my perspective that's a a question. mark right could they keep this secret. that they've got frozen bodies of aliens. sitting somewhere wouldn't you imagine. though that if there was something like. that that the level of attention to. detail to protect secrecy would be. significantly ramped up this wouldn't be. something as simple as. developing a new fighter jet where you.

know you have these. you know you you essentially have these. corporations that are that design these. vehicles for the US government you have. defense contractors. and one of the assertions was that these. are the people that have access to these. things because they're trying to back. engineer it and if you're going to back. engineer it you would do so under the. guise of someone who makes those things. it's not like the government themselves. are the the engineers and the people.

that are involved it's people that work. for the government and often defense. contractors well yeah contractors. government entities agencies I mean look. you know the the I mean the CIA was. responsible for locating the ground. where Area 51 sits right all those years. ago so they would have a role to play. You're right. um the commercial world would have a. role to play the subconscious or the. defense contractors. um others I'm sure I mean it's so the it.

becomes a growing circle of people who. would be involved in in an effort like. that but it'd be a fun secret to keep. yeah it'd be a hell of a secret to keep. but it would be a fun one if you're. working on something like that oh yeah. boy could I tell you some [ __ ] you go. home you know kids say what you do today. dad and you like uh I touched metal. that's from another player yeah I. dissected an alien they've got 3D. printed model designed to house three. foot tall creatures from another galaxy. but it's a but I think there's like.

we do also tend to imagine look we can. only like when we look at or when uh. when fraver it was interesting forever. looks at the TIC tag right any you know. and dietriching they're looking at this. and and they're trying to interpret it. based on what we know right now right so. our technological limitations right kind. of Define how we imagine if things could. go right but you know we only know. physics in the way that we know it right. so that so it is interesting to to think.

about how we put it which is how we. ended up with Little Green Men right. well if they're aliens they might they. probably look like us sort of but let's. make them a little different you know. let's make them three foot tall but. who knows what the hell it looks like. out there right and it's just but I. guess you know again we've explored so. little of space right I mean we still. don't know what's you know in in all the. oceans right we're still surprised when. we find something in the oceans well. that's what's fascinating also about. these stories is that there seems to be.

these uh. vehicles that can travel into the water. as well yeah and this is. been documented by video as well yeah. and that's what I mean that's what they. first noticed right I mean with. with a Tic Tac was they noticed a. disturbance in the water right and water. was roiling and they said the weather. was perfect right there was no there. were no White Caps there was nothing. there was just this one area of. disturbance and that was the first thing. they noticed and then they saw the the. whatever it was.

um but again I go back to like okay I'm. I'm buying what forever's selling right. it's just that you then we don't have. what's at the end of that dotted line we. don't know what it is but I'm glad that. we're. were exploring it in a more serious way. now I'm glad that the Pentagon to at. least and and maybe it happens. incrementally right but at least they've. come out now you know they said okay we. have atip or the whatever was the. advanced aeronautical threat. identification program which supposedly.

shut down in 2012 or so or two yeah 2012. I think it was of course they didn't. shut it down right they just put it into. a different program. um and because the threat was still. there right there's still concern over. okay what is flying over particularly. sensitive facilities right there was. that um. it was that uh swarming right are the. the the Swarm that went around the uh. the uh what USS Omaha right right the. ones that look like pyramids yeah yeah. and so there were like nine of them yeah.

or I think at a maximum there were nine. of them and um you know they still. haven't figured out what what the hell. that is but did those things exhibit in. any sort of capabilities that are beyond. our imagination. um I don't think they operated an insane. movement not not necessarily uh they. disappeared in a way that couldn't be. explained right and a couple of them. appeared to just go into the water uh to. your point about you know there's been. those incidents so. um. you know and they did have they did have.

radar imagery on these on these items. but. you know and and I think. um so anyway. what they might be. you know again it's it's nothing was. solved as a result of the hearing right. obviously and I think people were. excited and they're always excited when. there's going to be something like this. in the previous hearing and you know. this this world this UAP world starts. talking and. but. you know every hearing ends up the same. way in a sense because we don't get a.

resolution which then leads to more. suspicion that the government's hiding. something which has always been the case. right for decades now that's that's. where it tends to end up a lot of the. government's hiding something they're. just not telling us there is the. possibility that they just don't [ __ ]. know right and rather than holding on to. evidence and trying to keep it a secret. which. again. yeah it's it's it's tough but do you. think that if it's ours like say the Tic. Tac is ours is it possible that the.

government could create some Advanced. propulsion system and do so in complete. secrecy as well. well that's what that's uh 19 years ago. yes and you know 19 years we hold on to. you know that sort of capability and. technology and. um and for whatever reason don't deploy. it right. um. yeah look I mean we. yeah as an aside uh the CIA we've got a. uh there's a it used to be called.

Science and Technology right it's where. they create all the gear all the amazing. things the Science and Technology. directorate of the agency over the years. has has developed incredible things. right responsible for the U2 responsible. for satellite capabilities uh Battery. Technology right all the things that. they've done over the years and. oftentimes they'd create just sort of. gadgetry right and I don't want to. simplify it and minimize it but it's. important stuff but you know for lack of. a better word and oftentimes there was a. concern we don't want to release this we.

don't want to put it out in the field to. be used because we don't want it to fall. into you know into the wrong hands right. and then they realize that we've got. this capability right so it's much like. we talked about before if you get a. Target in your site maybe you want to. watch that Target for a period of time. to understand what it's capable of doing. what it's doing you don't want to just. let out you know okay we're gonna so. yeah is it possible we developed a new. propulsion system and you know we're. just playing a game where we're saying. okay we're still working on hypersonics. you know whatever breathing engines and.

we're trying to see what we can do here. and and you know and meanwhile we've got. this in our back pocket right waiting. for someday yeah it's a possibility in. my mind I think hey if that's the case. good on them for being smart enough to. to be uh that clever and also to be able. to keep a secret is that more plausible. than it coming from another planet in. your opinion. or another dimension or whatever the. explanation is. um. you know what that's a great question.

you should have your own podcast. um. yeah you know what is it more plausible. um. but I mean you know what I'm saying is. like this it's so revolutionary yeah if. they do have this thing that is the. ability to go from 50 000 feet above sea. level to 50 feet in a second something. that defies our current understanding of. at least assuming there's a biological. entity inside that thing let's let's. assume there is yeah you know one of the.

the examinations of the video footage. that they got from the Jets they said. the way that thing took off. any biological being would be turned. into Jello yeah which is yeah you would. be pink Mist yeah it's not the same. Force it's not the speed it's the it's. the acceleration yes or the stopping. that kills you yeah yeah so I think um. yeah I would assume it's unmanned if. that's the case well there's no windows. in that thing it was completely so I. guess the answer to your question is.

um. I don't know is it more time is it more. plausible than than being from outside. this world. um. yeah it's a good question because I. don't want to deny the fact that I mean. I think it's incredible hubris to say we. don't that there's nothing else out. there of course and so I don't want to I. don't want to lock myself into that. corner of the room. um but at the same time. um that would represent a massive leap. in Material Science as as at least we're.

aware of it right and uh oh look I have. a call. um and um. it's Paul Reuben's calling me from. Beyond so. uh too soon. um yeah it's a great it's a great. question I don't know I mean it's it it. it speaks to again one of my points that. I owe it because I'm so cynical I just. have a hard time believing that the US. government could keep secrets like that. for that period of time right I just I.

don't have a hard time believing that. yeah right so so what. what would have to take place in order. for the government to be developed. something developing something that's so. Superior to what we understand in terms. of what's possible with propulsion. systems like how would they fund that. how would they hide that how would they. get the scientists involved and the. engineers what what would they have to.

do in order to develop something like. this well it would be similar I mean. there's nothing new Under the sun when. it comes to a program right so and. inside the government of the military. you know you develop a program you come. up with an idea okay this is what we. want to do right I think this is. possible or we're going to work to make. this happen and there has been some. discussion of magnetic propulsion. systems yes and gravity propulsion. systems some something that defies what. we understand is possible today way back. in the 60s they were talking about this.

yeah and theoretically and more recently. too I mean there's been some some you. know although theoretically they looked. at it and in in the recent past and and. said it just you know it's it's not. worth pursuing but. um. to your question the the program concept. would be the same you have that and then. you say okay now we gotta we gotta. allocate a budget to it right we got to. do that obviously it's so sensitive. enormous budget it'd have to be enormous. budget look I mean but but the the known. U.S defense budget now roughly is is uh.

800 billion a year or so a little over. probably give or take. could siphon some of that off you would. move some program you would you went to. a program put it as a line item in some. other innocuous program. um and then that again that has happened. when we're talking about developing uh. something as as you know sort of not say. pedestrian but it's straightforward it's. like surveillance aircraft right then.

um we would you put that money somewhere. else you developed a program you get the. the team that's going to be working on. it whether it's at Skunk Works or. somewhere right and. but you sometimes have to turn to the. same Usual Suspects right which is why I. bring up Skunk Works right and you have. to do these you know because there's you. know at the end of the day there's not. that many material scientists with that. you know capability a level of. intelligence. um and experience uh and so then you go. from there and and you you know you work.

like hell to keep it secret which again. that. if they've done that you know I consider. that a that'd be a great win because. right now. um we're still trying to play a little. bit of catch-up on hypersonics and. that's the the next theater right I mean. aside from. um you know cyber warfare and and and. warfare and space you know and space has. already been weaponized hypersonics is. is it right and so. you know we're already seeing deployment.

of hypersonic look to be fair okay you. know ballistic missiles you know you. know that it's it's all you know the. difference between a Hypersonic and a. ballistic missile is a maneuverability. right which. um creates at the speed it creates this. this this uh you keep shortening the gap. for response time right so if you fire. an ICBM you know what the trajectory is. uh you know a Hypersonic you know Glide. vehicle you don't know right it comes at. you so fast and it comes from different. directions and you can't predict so it.

defeats air defense systems which is why. it's so important. um but we're still playing catch up. there so. is this what we're saying publicly that. we're playing catch-up and is it. possible that we aren't playing catch-up. it's possible sure all right and again I. would hope so uh that'd be great if. that's the case but. um would it be possible they would keep. that a secret sure yeah I mean if I was. you know if I was in charge of that. program yeah I would say why why would. we give up our capabilities right so yes. to go back to the original if they.

develop this uh uh alternative. propulsion system that's okay and they. they and again part of this is the. there's a material science right because. you're punching through the air you know. it's such a speed that it's it's. changing everything right it's changing. the Dynamics of flight it says it and. and and it's it is a massive uh hurdle. to overcome and but that's what. everybody's working on so you know were. they capable of working on this and they. develop something like that or we're. testing it back 19 years ago when fraver.

saw whatever he saw yeah it's a it's a. great. sort of theoretical exercise to think. about that. um and because the reason why I say this. is I don't know why I have these. instincts but because you know I'm a UFO. nut right clearly not heard nobody says. that they should. I'm full I'm on board yeah but. I feel like it's [ __ ] I don't feel. like it's real and I don't know why I. feel like it's fake.

stuff all the disclosure stuff all the. biological entities the recovered. Vehicles the the recovery program the. back engineering program there's. something about it to me. that just seems like [ __ ] and I. don't know why I have this overwhelming. Instinct that's [ __ ] so do you think. Russia is like part of the I don't think. he's I think he's probably what they. would call a useful idiot yeah I mean. this is a guess yeah I mean I'm not.

discouraged disparaging him in any way. and I'm if he's telling the truth I'm. very happy that he came forward I think. what he did is very courageous but I'm. saying that if I wanted to release some. [ __ ] and I wanted to put out a fake. narrative to obscure something that. we're working on. that's how I would do it I would get. some information to a guy and encourage. him to leak it and then encourage him to. have these hearings and and talk about.

all this stuff and put all this. weirdness out there where it kind of. confuses The Narrative like what is real. and what's not real. I I just something about it to me and. this is again but here's part of my my. feeling on it too if disclosure was real. if they are if they we really are. visited and we have been being visited. since the beginning of time. wouldn't that maybe my feeling is that. that would seem so alien that that would. seem fake anyway because I always felt.

like. if there was a moment of disclosure if. there was a moment where you know the. president got on television and gave a. press conference. and said we are not alone and we we know. this for a fact now and this is what we. and this is our concern that's what we. have to worry about in terms of National. Security in terms of whether or not. they're malevolent. I feel like that by itself would be so. alien even if it was true that it would. seem fake and so that's my conflict my.

conflict is I'm wondering does it seem. like [ __ ] to me because if it is. real it would be so bizarre that it. would necessarily seem like [ __ ] or. is it just too tidy for me does it just. not seem right because it just doesn't. it just doesn't seem right and this is. again I'm not calling anyone a liar it. just seems like [ __ ] and I don't. know why. yeah I think. part of it is we're kind of conditioned.

to assume that the government hides. information from us right oftentimes not. uh for any necessary national security. reasons just because it's such a large. operation and they just it can sometimes. seem very um Whimsical or capricious why. they don't you know provide some level. of disclosure about things but but. um I think with. with grush I think.

here's my take on it I think he believes. what he's saying right I think he has. gone out there I think I'm Legit like he. was a whatever 14-year veteran of. military and and. National reconnaissance office and. and I think he went out and he talked to. enough people. and he. um. he believes it I don't think he's out. there like spinning a yarn and is.

worried that now he's gotten over his. skis and he's said you know too many. things and now but. um. I don't I don't know I don't I don't. feel like it's tidy and maybe the. difference between us is I spent you. know a lot of time with the government. and. um the government is is uh. is sometimes can be really really uh. dysfunctional and I just it goes back to.

Keeping a Secret the idea that they. could have this this what essentially is. a covert action campaign you know to. spread this information about what they. actually know right when the easier. thing to do is just to have the program. you know if if again if it's it's the US. government's you know development of. Technology right and and we're doing. this to have the program and just keep. your app shut about it not go for a. disinformation campaign not try to muddy.

The Waters by doing this because in a. sense you're just creating more. conversation around it you're creating. you know now there's a little bit of a. you know movement within Congress to say. we have to do this now we have to so. they're going to look perhaps for a. misappropriation of funds right because. they're not going to pursue like the UAP. issue necessarily right but but they. might be interested in pursuing the. misappropriation of funds so if you're. running a program if it if it didn't. again going back to the idea that it's a. US government if you're running a. program that's the last thing you want. to do is because you've you're doing. this program to avoid government.

oversight you're not going to create you. know this alternative narrative that you. know could generate the sort of. publicity or the conversation. particularly up on Capitol Hill that. causes them to then start looking and. saying well where is money being spent. right right because there is a trail. there and that could cause a problem. um so. yeah. um what so what are your instincts. when you look at it if I'm I'm looking. at I'm saying something's wrong it seems. like [ __ ] what are your instincts. um.

yeah I think. uh. I would like to stay you know I don't. think we're going to get there my. instinct is to say how do we solve the. how do we solve this or how do we how do. we come to some sort of uh logical. resolution as opposed to saying what is. it right off the bat my instinct is to. say all right if the old domain. anomalous or anomaly resolution office. has 800 cases then tell us what those. 800 cases are let's work our way through. them or have a little bit more.

transparency about working through those. cases again you'll probably Whittle them. down right to I mean we were doing black. files and we were going around talking. to people about you know various. sightings and things you basically just. crossing things off going okay that was. this that was this this you know you. find some pretty mundane answers you. know but you Whittle it down to maybe. one or two things that you can't explain. and then you can investigate those and. say okay all right let's let's dig. further on these but right now it's just. like all over the map and they've got so. many cases and they just kind of lump it. all together.

um are they doing that to obfuscate and. create you know this this this this this. situation where it does seem like. [ __ ] and and. I again I I I don't know but I think. um. I'm not willing to shut the door on. saying that that those handful of those. few sightings that where we do have. technical data we've got video we got. you know radar lock we got we got gun. camera footage whatever it may be that. can't be explained I'm not willing to.

close the door and saying well it's you. know. you know is it because who knows maybe. China's doing the same thing you know oh. we're leading the Hypersonic race right. now great but they've got another. program you know and they're responsible. for the Tic Tac right so we we have to. pursue it and if that leads us to the. doorstep that says oh that's a U.S. government program and they've developed. a technology okay you know fine but you. know I realized that. you know I I just I'm not willing to. close the door on saying it could be. something else could be otherworldly. right because I just I just it could be.

it could be I just don't there is who. knows that problem the infinite nature. of space which seems to actually be. getting bigger yeah there was a good way. of putting it that that uh uh my wife. who's a hell of a lot smarter than I am. um try to explain it to me and I kept. looking like this and but she had heard. a she had heard a program at one point. where the the person explained it like. okay imagine how vast the ocean is right. and you know how you you we've explored. the ocean but then you look at space and.

how immense it is right compared to the. ocean right right the amount that we've. explored in space right is equivalent to. like a wine glass full of ocean water. right so you take a wine glass full. ocean water you look at it you go ah. there's nothing there right you know. there's all those life forms there's all. all those fish in the sea it's kind of. like and then you know you think about. space and you think about what we know. and what we don't know and how we. imagine like our limited capacity to. imagine what life outside of Earth could.

look like right so it yeah. but when you hear talk of like crashed. retrieval programs. yeah. that that keeps taking me back and is. you know to this this whole idea of. uh if there was a crash retrieval and. reverse engineering program like David. grush talked about and had been in. existence for decades. um. somebody would have [ __ ] opened their.

Yap and talked about it I think. other than Bob Lazar and they would have. had some better specifics right I mean. that's always the thing that's it's. always where it falls down well I. haven't seen it but I talked to somebody. who knows that it exists right and I. think maybe it's because we're human. we're programmed that actually want. physical evidence yeah right we want to. actually see it before we believe it. um but you know that that really hasn't. happened yet what's one of the things. that's fascinating is the narrative has. shifted so wildly from it's completely.

Preposterous to Credible people like. David fraver and Ryan Graves and all. these different people that are talking. about multiple sightings things that. completely defy our understanding of. what a vehicle is capable of doing. hovering completely Motionless in 120. knot winds all the the whole you know. whatever that thing is the the cube. inside a sphere that they keep seeing. over and over again right almost hit one. of the aircraft yeah yeah what the [ __ ]. is that yeah and then they land so I. think you know one of the good.

developments out of all of this and one. of the things that may eventually lead. to transparency right because it will it. will provide an Avenue for these. sightings whether it's commercial or. military Pilots as an example to report. it right and to be more and and for the. government to take it perhaps you know. again it depends on what it's a big. conspiracy or not to um to investigate. in a in a more logical manner in in a. more detailed manner so I I think just. again the sheer act that we're talking. about it.

which then takes me back to the idea. that you know if you're running a secret. program you don't want people talking. about it so you're not going to muddy. the waters with a false narrative if you. don't have to right you know if your. concerned is that someone's getting. close to the truth and you got to do. okay then maybe so but. um you know do you think it's also. possible that there are patriots that do. think that the American public deserves. to know about this information and they. have been sitting on it for a long time. um. the people like David rush and all these.

various people that are coming out and. more apparently are wanting to come out. yeah well interesting thing with. gracious look he's he said so during the. hearing right he said I can't talk about. that I can talk about it in a skiff. right yeah and it's sensitive and secure. uh environment all right well if I'm you. know one of the people on on that. subcommittee I'm gonna say you know what. uh to my staff schedule uh you know a. skiff meeting with Grouch get them in. here and let's you know have them talk. in a classified [ __ ] right.

um so that would be the next logical. step in all of this have they done that. yet I I don't know I mean it's. you know when he said I could talk to. you about it and Skip as have people. taking them up on that well I'd I'd you. know you would have to ask him no I. wouldn't right and they wouldn't tell. anyone and they wouldn't and they. wouldn't tell them in there they're in. lies part of the problem because if he. sits there and but if he sits in the. skiff and and continues to kind of say. well like you know okay I know you guys. aren't clear to hear this and I can't. all right then you got to start. questioning you know what he's actually.

got or what he what he knows for sure. rather than just having this this you. know witness interviews and sort of. second-hand information but I am I'm. much more I guess the point is I'm much. more interested in the direct sightings. than uh witness interviews right right. and the thing about him is he's not. really a witness. right he hasn't had any personal. encounters with anything he hasn't that. personal encounter with a craft he. hasn't seen a retrieved craft he hasn't. seen the biological entities these are.

all just programs that he's been made. aware of that he felt like people needed. to know about. yeah and that's the narrative and again. not to disparage anybody right I mean. he's you know if in fact. um you know uh somebody leaked his. medical records which it looks like you. know did happen right then that's that. you know that's that's pretty [ __ ]. right somebody needs to figure out what. the hell is happening yes the. information from grush who said he was. unable to discuss specifics on what he. told the pentagon's Watchdog arm.

lawmakers want to sit down with the. former official in a sensitive. compartmented information facility a. skiff to get additional information from. him the group has been blocked however. by officials that have informed them. that grush doesn't currently have. security clearance to discuss the issues. in a skiff according to the Burchette we. think that we'll get there eventually. it's just frustrating I'm ready to go in. the American public are ready to go he. said Luna argued that the skiff with. grush could help lawmakers better.

understand the type of legislation they. need to write regarding uaps she said. she supports legislative nation that. would declassify information on the. phenomenon so there seems to be some. issue of secrecy and what what's. possible to discuss or what's legal to. discuss well but yeah look the. government casts a very wide net when. you're talking about classified. information right the government has. over classified information for decades. and decades right and you've got secret. top secret code word you know and.

you know they they tend to just Hoover. everything up and classify it right and. and then it takes [ __ ] forever right. to go through that process of. declassification and because nobody. wants to put their neck out at that. point and say yeah let's declassify this. right once it's once it's in that pot. um so but the question is great you know. you're saying you know you can talk. about in a skiff well damn that's the. next that that's what the subcommittee. should be doing that's their job right. if they're curious right and if they're.

sincere about trying to get to the. bottom of this and that's theoretically. their job then they should because again. going back to the main thing and people. can say well why are you wasting your. time on this but you can always Circle. back to the Top Line which is it's for. national security purposes we want to. know what the hell's going on right and. and you know if so. yeah we'll see I guess that's the that's. the question that should be thrown at. grush or should be thrown at the. subcommittee members I'm also shocked at. how few people care. I feel like people are so overloaded.

with information today because of social. media and because of the news cycle. you're just so people are so overloaded. with information that this barely. registered on people other than UFO nuts. yeah yeah I mean there was a there was a. surprising amount I thought anyway of of. sort of mainstream media coverage it. wasn't particularly uh deep right it. just kind of covered okay it was a. hearing and I think they did it because. it's like it's UFOs or uaps right and so. you know they knew they'd get some. clicks on it if they were putting it.

online or whatever and and. they didn't pursue it you know like has. been any I haven't seen any stories that. talked about the follow-up around with. garage there were a couple of stories. talking about the you know the fact that. perhaps his medical records were leaked. you know and the medical records showed. what that he had some sort of a. psychiatric condition. that he had an event or something like. that PTSD I think you know some suicidal. depression issues standing stuff with. military veteran yeah yeah yeah he had. been he had done his time in Afghanistan.

right and so. um that doesn't yeah it means nothing. and except for the fact that it. shouldn't be out there right those. records should be damn well private well. not only that isn't that what we want. why don't you shut your little Dinger. off there phone is that is that me going. to you yeah that's why your phone rings. yeah yeah you got to learn how to use. that little switch on the side. um but thank you for my idea isn't that. what you want from I mean that's the. whole purpose of providing these. services for veterans that when they do.

have suicidal suicidal thoughts and they. are struggling with PTSD that they get. help I mean the the idea that they're. shaming him and saying that his report. is not credible because of this seems. it's ridiculous yeah it's totally. [ __ ] yeah and and and he said he. he's come out since I said look I did. seek help I you know I'm in a better. place. um and he was happy that people were. talking about it they should be talking. about yeah look it's we we lose a. shocking number for veterans to Suicide. right and it's disgusting that we don't.

you know that the government doesn't. work harder at this right and spend more. effort you know I know a couple of. people who do amazingly good work at the. VA in terms of counselors right they're. not managers they're not Executives they. work with the veterans every day right. and it's incredible what they do but. overall as a government our. our assistance right to Veterans. um I mean look at the number of homeless. situations it's it's it's pathetic and.

so when he talks about it. um it's it's good that he's talking. about it right I think that that. transparency helps and and he clearly. views it that way too and he said look I. don't have any problem with with. discussing it but we should be concerned. by the fact that you know somehow his. medical records were were put out there. and then you know some people will look. at that and go well is that the. government's effort to discredit them. you know or is that or or is that. somebody's effort to discredit them um I. don't know why anybody else would why. would you do that why would you put them. out there so uh you know I feel for the.

guy in that sense I just can't evaluate. or assess the veracity of what he's. saying right now so particularly the. sort of the biologics thing that we're. holding on to. dead aliens yeah I'm not sure about that. part you know that's the that's the old. Story the old legend about Nixon and the. Nixon and Jackie Gleason do you know. that story no I'm glad you I'm glad you. were able to bring Nixon into this. conversation yeah Nixon apparently was. drinking buddies with Jackie Gleason and. they were tying one on and and Nixon was.

like you want to see some [ __ ] [ __ ]. apparently they jumped in Air Force One. he took him to a base and the legend. goes that they showed him uh this. retrieved UFO and they showed him alien. bodies and the The Legend also goes that. Jackie Gleason became a UFO nut after. that and one of the things that points. to that is he actually had a home built. in New York state that was in the shape. of a UFO. and uh there's a I mean you could see.

the home yeah it's like this circular. flying disc looking home that he had. built in New York state but supposedly. he had it built that's that's this is. the house supposedly he had this thing. built because it you know was a. representation of what he had seen. good God yeah pretty wild [ __ ] and that. and someone said well yeah it's. Westchester County so someone will pay. 12 million for it yeah I wish it was for. sale oh God I don't want to live there.

but well it's listed is it that little. thing said it was listed for 12 million. dollars CIA snatched it up oh yeah yeah. we had to get that under control we got. to shut this up right now. yeah Norton. it's a great Legend I don't know if it's. true there's been some dispute of. whether or not it's true because what. the source was his ex-wife is that what. it was. yeah they looked up I remember I just. looked this up the other day they looked. up at that source and it was like from.

an interview that was in a magazine in. Esquire maybe and that Esquire can't be. found anywhere hmm but that's possible. with today the disappearing Esquire. talking about an Esquire from 1970. whatever yeah yeah um. yeah I I had no idea did you ever see. that uh it was not that long ago the. Elvis and Nixon movie yeah. I forget what it was called uh it might. have just been called Nixon and Elvis or. something but uh it was it was a great.

movie it's a great watch it's worth. watching it was only it was a short. relatively short movie it wasn't a. documentary it was a movie and it was it. was fantastic. um I I but I can't I can't remember. what's the name of it we have that photo. of Elvis look at that okay that's it. yeah it's Kevin Spacey. yeah and it'll be like old time she'll. be able to go and watch Kevin Spacey. back before he he got you know come on. man yeah it was a dude that played Elvis. it looks like Johnny Knoxville what was.

that character's name off top my head uh. hold on is it Michael Shannon is that. yeah I think so yeah. yeah yeah. wow now it it was it's it's well quite. handsome enough to play Elvis I didn't. realize that Colin Hanks Johnny. Knoxville wasn't there yeah so that's a. crap movie yeah. A movie sounds like it it was lacking in. a castle you should you should watch it. though it had its moments it was. actually very funny it's crazy yeah Moy. that guy disappeared off the map didn't.

he Kevin Spacey he was just exonerated. yeah it was some of those charges but it. seems like there was a lot of dick. grabbing going on a lot of dick grabbing. but it was he was also right in the fire. line he was at that that perfect moment. of the storm I remember that that old me. too thing he does have a reputation for. dick you know yeah yeah well well I I. don't know about that but he he played a. good Nixon he was a damn fine Nixon he. played a good president too yeah that. [ __ ] oh yeah the Netflix show was it. called.

yeah [ __ ] great show that was good. he's he played such a good creep. um although they kind of jumped the. shark when he started like uh they. started it was a threesome with this uh. Secret Service Officer yeah you know. when they went to that far yeah and then. okay it's time to switch and find a new. series to watch. um but yeah anyway. um hey do you mind if I if I do promote. something sure promote something um. we've been doing this for a while I have. agreed to uh uh take over a podcast or.

not take over a podcast what is this. here it is this is your podcast this is. it's coming up September 5th this is. something that someone else started and. you're taking over yeah yeah let's see. if we can make this play what if you had. your own spy. would you use them to keep tabs on the. most important events happening around. the world to update you on exactly what. you needed to know each morning so you. could be smarter more prepared ahead of. the curve meet CIA veteran Mike Baker.

New York personal intelligence officer. delivering insights and Analysis once. reserved for the president of the United. States the president's Daily Brief with. Mike Baker get briefed stay ahead your. briefings begin on September 5th damn. right who put this together uh first TV. so it's it's available on uh on all. podcast platforms including Spotify is. it you video as well uh no it's just. gonna be an audio okay we may go to. video at some point but it's it's 20.

minutes a day it uh oh okay it starts on. the 5th of September uh every morning at. six a.m about 20 minutes and all we're. gonna do the reason I I love this. project is because like with the. president's Daily Brief right it drops. in the Oval Office every morning it's. very as his name implies it's very brief. covers the top uh issues around the. globe. and provides a bit of context and then. that's it and that's all the president. gets right just every morning to kind of. get that okay here are the things going.

on I need to pay attention they said. that Trump wouldn't read unless his name. was in it yeah. so do it inject his name and stuff. yeah basically yeah so you always get. these different you know uh takes from. the president from every Administration. as to how they receive these things but. the idea is yeah 6 a.m every morning. September 5th president's Daily Brief. all podcast platforms including Spotify. and the idea is we're just going to. cover the top stories or concerns of the. day provide a little analysis of context.

I'm not going to tell people how to. think about it right there's enough you. know folks out there all the the pundits. doing that. and then wrap it up get on and then and. it allows people but but every day so. I'm really excited about it starts out. as you know it'll be an audiocast who. knows where it'll go from there. um but it it uh it took a brief Hiatus. uh went off the air back and I think in. February and I agreed to to start. hosting it so that's great it should be. fun yeah I mean it and it you know again. it's informative it's not uh opinion.

driven have you spoken to any presidents. uh I have yes uh Bill Clinton Bill. Clinton I will and I will say this. um. I always had a an event. um I forget where it was it wasn't here. it wasn't in Austin it might have been. in Little Rock. it was a large Gathering and it was a. dinner and. um at the end of it uh and and also. George Bush was there too. um had a brief chance to talk with him. but with Bill Clinton the the Striking.

thing was he came through the room and. and I was just standing there talking to. my wife and a couple others and he came. up and he uh he stood there and he. looked at me and he started talking to. me about something that we had done when. I was with the agency and he was. president. an operation that we had done and. you know I I don't I don't think he knew. I was going to be there anything but he. stood there and started talking about. this operation and in real detail I mean.

those sources and methods or things but. the recall was was surprising and he was. and he was adding context about why they. had made you know some decisions from. the White House they did about what we. were doing and he kind of stood there he. had his hands on my arm he was just. really focused on talking to the point. where the secret service at a certain. point were kind of like you know get. Nancy and saying can we move on you know. can we can we leave but he kept talking. and I was I always thought the the. you know uh Clinton was he's smart right.

and your politics aside right he's a. smart guy but he had this ability to uh. zero in on people right and the thing. that he had as a politician was not only. could he make you feel like you were the. only person in the room but he he had. this recall the ability to talk about. things in detail that. um you know left you realizing okay he. was a smart dude he was you know he was. a bit of a Wanderer right and you know. he had his own issues but uh but that's. the case with a lot of smart dudes yeah.

there's a motivation for their success. and a lot of times it's women yeah Power. and women right you know I mean that is. traditionally been the motivation of. leaders yeah Berlusconi sorry okay baby. that's the difference. um but uh yeah I so that was that was a. that was a striking conversation uh that. I thought. um and uh I've actually got a photo of. that was someone snapped a photo he was. talking and he was just kind of really. focusing and I was like what the hell. are we talking about this for but right.

I realized he was basically kind of. bringing it back around to why they did. something from the White House and he. wanted to discuss it with you yeah and I. thought okay that's you know that that. was that was the same after he was out. of office uh yes yeah out of office yeah. I would love to talk to a president. about what that experience I mean it's. my main if I had a question for Trump. that that's one of the big ones like. what is it like when you get in there. like what is it what's the difference. between perception and reality what is.

the difference between your ideas of. what what it's like when you get into. the Oval Office what it's like when you. get debriefed yeah because pretty much. every politician has these plans they. all have these these things that they. say they're going to do and then they. get into office in very little of it. happens yeah like why is that and what. is it like I think they're fighting. Against the Machine first of all and you. know maybe they show up and they they. imagine I mean that. you know they're going to accomplish.

whatever it is going to be that they're. going to accomplish but then I think the. realities of Washington DC set in and. I think that it's tougher now than it. used to be I mean I think you st you and. not to romanticize the past but I think. it used to be easier to get people into. a room from you know both sides of the. aisle and Hammer out you know a platform. or an idea or a bill or whatever it may. be and I think that's much more. difficult now for people to do because. it's so damn partisan but.

um. yeah it is. it's it's a you know we had the Good. Fortune of being in the White House a. few times. and. it's I can't imagine that it's not this. overwhelming feeling when you go if. you're just elected right you walk into. the Oval Office this overwhelming. feeling of of of responsibility you know. and and even for somebody like Trump you. know who probably you know I mean you. know he probably sat down and thought of.

course I'm here you know and right why. wouldn't I be here but but. um and then you're you know you're. you're your number one job is. essentially to take a lot of [ __ ] that's. happening distill it down to you know. the its key points and delegate right. because there is such a machine around. you right that that tries to plan every. moment of your day I think and it is. you know it's not unlike being a CEO of. a Fortune 50 company you know where. you've got a lot of plate spinning and.

you can't focus on all of them so which. is part of the you know look at me part. of the president's Daily Brief the. purpose of that that goes into the Oval. Office is to try to keep a focus on uh. sort of the National Security issues. that are at the top of the Hit Parade in. very short order right because no matter. how interested the president is and look. uh Bush as an example used to go through. those things with a fine-tooth comb and. ask question after question after. question right clearly I don't think. that was Trump's style I don't know what.

Biden does right in terms of of that but. um you know every president's a little. bit different in how they receive. information and process it and then. prioritize in their mind what's. important but behind you is a machine. that regardless of what you're thinking. is prioritizing concerns of the day. National Security issues and Military. concerns and the economy and all the. rest of it. um and so. at the end of the day we maybe we we put. too much.

we we imagine the president's got more. uh ability right to do things or to. change things or to shape things than. they actually do right so not again not. in any way to minimize the the. importance of the the stress of that job. right but yeah the stress of the job is. unprecedented yeah you watch the way it. ages people except him except Trump that. [ __ ] just.

is he is he is he getting the nomination. is he going to be the guy yeah I think. he is yeah I was I was wrong before when. we talked about this a while back I. don't think they could stop him yeah I. think the people that want Trump in. office they view the hypocrisy of this. Administration the corruption the open. borders the economy collapsing the open. checkbook to Ukraine they view all this. [ __ ] they view all the clamping down and. internal combustion engines the the the. green [ __ ] what they think that is going.

to kill the economy and and. centralized money into a few very. powerful hands yeah they they don't buy. it at all and they think that he's their. only solution does anybody from from the. GOP side any of the candidates have a. chance to take the nomination instead of. trump I don't think so yeah I I mean I. agree I don't I don't see I don't see. unless something horrible happens to him. that Vivek guy is very interesting yeah.

he's very he's very rational and very. smart he does seem to talk directly. about the issues yeah unlike some of the. folks who were speaking more. aspirational and talking about you know. direction of the country he does seem to. focus more on these are the things we. need to do specifically he's also. clearly very very intelligent like. Superior intelligence like when when you. hear him discuss nuanced issues he also. has very good emotional intelligence. because I've seen him not just challenge. but disparaged on radio shows and.

podcasts and he handles things very very. well and that discussion with him was. what got Don Lemon removed from CNN yeah. because Don Lemon and him went at it I. think he's uh but he's very young too. like would people want a 37 year old guy. running the entire country even if it's. a truly exceptional mind and it's truly. exceptional person which which I I think. he is well this may be this may be the. cycle right meaning sort of this this. Biden. I mean if Biden ends up.

is do you think that's the second part. of the question do you think Biden's. going to be the guy I don't think so. yeah no yeah I think it's probably going. to be [ __ ] Mr California. really yeah I think it's probably going. to be Gavin Newsom I think they're. probably going to try to whitewash all. the failures of California and all the. disastrous policies and just view him as. the most presidential of the leftist. progressive candidates and keep Kamala. Harris as the VP no way no not a chance. in hell I think she steps down I think.

if I had to guess something comes up. yeah yeah she doesn't want to do it. anymore he has a better choice they find. her another position. you know she decides that she would. better serve somewhere else something. some I just don't imagine that they. wouldn't see her as a massive liability. yeah oh I think they do I mean I think. that it is but she as long as Biden's. the candidate right she's the VP on the. ticket unless something horrible happens. with her right some sort of Scandal or.

some sort of thing or you know look they. removed Andrew Cuomo when just a couple. months before he was the darling of the. democratic party yeah yeah he's decided. that he was too much of a liability and. so they they went after him yeah but I'm. not sure how I don't know that the. party's got. what it takes to come out without. without an incident right without. something and you know yeah you hate to. say anything about anybody's Health but. you know without something on a health. perspective happening with Biden well. the health perspective has already.

happened yeah yeah I mean it's super. clear at this point I mean people are. giving me [ __ ] about saying it in 2020. it's super clear that he's got like real. mental problems like whatever they are. whether it's dementia it was just pure. old age whatever it is like there's. he's got I mean when he closes his eyes. that's when everybody goes no I panic. where he's like no I know but look but. look at what we've got we've got we've. got him doing that right and then he. whispers the part with his presentation. is always driving Christie's when he.

whispers yeah vaccinated it's bionomics. it's working yeah okay stop doing that. well he's just a goof he's always been a. goofy guy but but you've got that you. got Mitch McConnell you know kind of. fading out you know falling apart almost. having a mini stroke during the speech. that locked up in front of the press and. then they're so old yeah have you seen. Feinstein is still there yeah feisty is. still there she's handed Over Control. she's I you know like said my daughter. has control of my you know business and. everything and conservatorship or.

whatever but I'm staying here until. 2025. it's nuts yeah it's not so and. yeah it's just it's such a [ __ ]. strange time it's so strange and so so. maybe somebody like vivec says I'm going. to sit this one out I mean that that. would be the to me that would be the. smart thing if you've got aspirations. and you've got the ability but you're. young you think maybe I'll just let the. whole system reboot right now because. his body Biden Trump thing is just so. well Trump could choose him as a VP and. I think he would be a formidable VP if. Trump runs with him as a VP I think.

that's a massive asset I really do yeah. I think because that guy you could see. him in four years being the president. he's so rational and intelligent right. listen to him talking like that's what I. want from a president I want a. level-headed super intelligent rational. person who has had a massive amount of. success in the real world who decides to. enter into policy politics because he. thinks that he can serve in a meaningful. way and he thinks that he can part. change in a meaningful way at least.

that's what I'm getting from him yeah in. my most rose-colored glasses view of the. world but does that what I don't know if. that's what the voters want right. because. he would balance out what people don't. like about Trump yeah with this. bombastic personality but but also like. you got to give credit to the guy. because that bombastic personality. really did expose the Deep state it. really did expose all this corruption. and that's gear all the [ __ ] Russia.

collusion the fact that the media was. completely on board with that there's. been no apologies this was all [ __ ]. there's so much of that that he exposed. because of the fact that he fights tooth. claw nail the fact the fact that he. won't back down and then he gets it and. he you know literally goes after the. intelligence Community which is you know. obviously from your perspective is a. terrible idea well no it's not a. terrible idea if you're going after it. for you know for um for certain. individuals politicizing because that. can never happen that's a Death Note for.

any intelligence organization as far as. I'm listening or a federal law. enforcement organization like the bureau. right so you should always you should. always be on the lookout for that I have. no problems with with that at all. um but I you know my point is always. with with at least with the organization. that I know. um it's not the it's not the body of the. organization right you get individuals. who are become enamored of their their. access or you know their their their the. power the closeness to the the policies.

or they let their Personal Agenda take. over that's a real danger and you can. never let that happen and and so that's. what I think people need to understand. when they talk disparagingly about the. intelligence community and that in my. opinion my personal opinion is as most. these people are Patriots and that there. are people that get into positions of. power in every single Organization no. matter what it is where they abuse that. power and those people become corrupt. yeah and this has happened in every.

business I'm sure every branch of. government it's I'm sure it happens. everywhere but that doesn't mean that. the intelligence communities are. unnecessary yeah that would be like. saying okay uh you know the CEO of a. company has got a certain political. agenda and so like with BlackRock you. know I mean maybe you know the the head. of it is like enamored with. um you know whatever it was equity and. inclusion inclusion governance I can't. remember yeah and governance and. um and so the whole organization is bad. right well okay probably not everybody.

there thinks that way right but you know. all it takes is a as a handful at the. top level on the seventh floor wherever. the organization is and and that's a. problem so you you defeat that in part. by having a very proactive curious uh uh. you know uh government right with the. proper committees and the Intel you know. committees that are up on Capitol Hill. as an example that ask all those. important questions and that demand. answers and that aren't so hyper.

partisan that they refuse to you know. pursue the obvious right and you know. look the lack of self-awareness is is. shocking when you get people like Adam. Schiff and Jamie Raskin you know saying. things like well this this look at the. Biden finances is you know it's [ __ ]. it's purely political and for asking and. and Schiff and and others spent years. right getting in front of the cameras. and just spewing [ __ ] about the. Russian collusion story yeah and and yet. the fact that they don't see it because.

they're so partisan and they don't. understand like the important thing here. is it doesn't matter you're a republican. Democrat you you know everybody should. be subject to the same uh concerns and. and behavior and and scrutiny right uh. but it you know that's that's not going. to happen I don't know how you walk it. back I don't know how we get back to. some level of normal right and I don't. think we're going to see that during the. course of this election cycle right this. is going to be a this is going to be a. [ __ ] show right so it's going to be a.

[ __ ] show especially with the. indictments yeah oh oh yeah and and I. don't think there's any more coming down. the pike so I think these four are it. but you know that DC indictment is. that's definitely a political document. right I haven't had a chance to go. through the the Georgia and diamond in. full. um but the race that they all have right. and trying to get these things out there. in in the time frame that they are. you know would seem to indicate that. they've got a political motivation here. make this last through the election.

cycle you know Screw over to the degree. they can what they view as the top. Challenger. um and and let it go and they don't seem. to care about the Public's. perception of how that looks right and. that's a dangerous precedent to set. because if that happens what's to stop. some authoritarian republican from. utilizing the same methods to go after. people in your group once the. precedent's been set yeah no there is. there's nothing and that's you know and. then you get you get in the banana you.

know Republic territory so yeah but. again I think you know I I yeah I would. be hard-pressed to imagine Biden's going. to end up uh going all the way through. the whole process you know securing all. the delegates you know running winning. and I just I don't think they want him. to I really don't think they wanted to. but they've got other options Michelle. Obama that keeps getting banded around. I'm not sure uh if she even wants to. have anything to do with that you know. she's in one of those positions right. it's like Oprah Winfrey people say well. Oprah Winfrey should run what the [ __ ].

she should yeah I mean well I know but. what I mean is when they say that you. think well she's kind of she enjoys this. position of being loved by lots of. people and why would and so Michelle. Obama she's in sort of that sweet spot. right everyone's oh my God it's Michelle. Obama as soon as you put yourself in. that that Arena right right that hate. comes out yeah [ __ ] comes at you fast. and you don't need it no I mean they've. made enough money yeah how are they all. doing that How would how with all these. people making this money crazy Mike it's. crazy I don't know I don't get it either. it seems weird on a 400 000 a year.

salary yeah or you're worth hundreds of. millions oh you look at the Senators. right yeah how's that working and and so. crazy because the [ __ ] just the. insider trading how is that still legal. well and what is it at senator's salary. is in like the I think the low 200. thousands or something like that maybe I. I forget but. um yeah my my experience has been you. don't become a multi-millionaire you. know doing that unless you've got you're. really Savage Shenanigans picking stocks.

right and I'm sitting in a committee and. I hear somebody talk about a new program. that's going to be developed to develop. a new type of propulsion system right. yeah that's right that's how it goes. that's right that's how it goes yeah hey. I want you to have this man this is this. is the easiest simplest lighter you'll. ever find it's a Zippo uh thank you and. uh it's a CIA lighter it's a CIA I could. bring this around my paranoid friends. that already think that I'm a CIA. operator and it's not a transmitter in. that I don't want you to think that any.

Bravo. the [ __ ] bury it in the ground yeah. there's no transmitter in that light. thank you very much I appreciate you. let's do it again in a few months and. hopefully the world's not glowing I hope. so and uh tell us uh more about your. podcast and I'm sure it's going great oh. yeah president's Daily Brief September. 5th starts on all podcast platforms. including Spotify good luck with that. thank you appreciate you very much thank. you Joe bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause].

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