Joe Rogan Experience #1995 - Chad Stahelski

[Music]. by night. yeah Chad just get take. oh this is going to start the show take. a hit of that we'll start the show just. get in there oh. [Laughter]. that's not even a fresh one okay when. they're fresh I just want to do it twice. to make sure that was real shout out to. uh how do you say his name.

is uh smelling salts because she. couldn't do that twice it's fresh if. it's fresh you get like that close. are you just like yeah no I'm awake that. was a good one though definitely I'm. gonna bring these to the comedy. Mothership I'm gonna see I'm gonna see. him I'm gonna take a big blast right. before I go on stage supposed to wake up. your central nervous system or something. I don't even know if there's any science. to it no it just sucks it might be just. a bunch of psychos who just like. freaking their brain out with uh.

smelling salts I'm awake anyway man uh. congrats on the movie looks awesome. that's very exciting very nice to be. here big fan thank you my pleasure uh. it's uh boy Jesus Christ is it over the. top. could do so crazy yeah it's so crazy I. saw a thing online of the amount of. people that John Wick has killed. compared to like Michael Myers and I. think it would be Jason oh yeah by a. long I think we beat Rambo too yeah I. think you beat everybody but I think we.

had more deaths than Keanu spoke words. in the movie oh for sure 100 everybody's. bringing up to me I think he's got 308. words in the movie or something yeah. well listen it works it's perfect yeah. something fun something for the guys. yeah and the action fans and and. everybody out there oh yeah it's murder. porn. hopefully it's artistic murder it's. artistic it is it's interesting how. they're all so different too like the. the fourth one is like almost like a. comic book.

graphic anime I think it's probably the. best story that we've told but it's it's. definitely wrapped up in the hyper real. world you know we get bored so we wanted. to go somewhere and do something it's. always like how do we start these things. what do we do like we never start with a. concept right it's usually we're done. we're done we're never gonna do one. again and then Japan gets released like. six months after the rest of the world. so we usually do in a press tour in. Japan and we're sitting in the Imperial. Hotel they have an amazing Scotch bar. and we start off with the first drink. going thank God it's done God we.

survived and by like the fifth Scotch. we're like hey man I got a great [ __ ]. idea let's have them fight ninjas. and then that's how it starts and it's. been that way for the last three so you. started off as a stunt man yeah and how. did you how did you transition to. becoming a director because that's like. there's got to be a lot of barriers that. are in the way I think different time. for sure you know before before cell. phones before that stuff we started as a. stunt guy before all the streamers. um you know I was working for this guy.

Ernie or Saudi way back in the day uh. brilliant stone quarter and second year. director on television and I was working. on I don't know if you remember the old. show like Pretender. he could be anything yeah and uh I was. doing a gig on that I just done a car. hit I think it was like 24. I split my. head up on the winch that was a mess and. then uh he comes to me as I'm holding. the ice pack on my head he's like hey. they're having auditions for the sci-fi. film in Burbank like you know you're off. you can if you hurry you can make it and. I'm in jeans and a t-shirt and I'm.

bleeding and I'm like all right yeah. sure I'll go make it's for that Keanu. Reeves guy you know and speed it'd come. out like Keanu Reeves I'll go see him. sure so you go up there and it was an. audition for The Matrix and you know I. at the time you remember back in the day. there weren't a lot of martial art. movies at a big budget level it was like. Steven Seagal or Van Damme or uh you. know uh Mark decoskis all those guys at. the time and martial arts you know they. didn't do them in big budget films it. was considered low budget you know. action porn kind of thing and uh we get.

there get to this big Warehouse in. Burbank and you saw this guy really. scruffy looking with the neck brace you. know it's Keanu he had just come out. from neck surgery oh Jesus 15 Hong Kong. and Chinese stuntman they're not. screaming and yelling I said hey I'm. here for the addition and I meet these. uh these two fellows have come over and. swachowski's at the time. now Lana and Lily and they introduced. themselves and we're like hey you know. I'm Chad I'm here for you okay great. this is jungle ping and I was like oh. you know we no one told a new thing we.

knew from was the big choreographer that. started Jet Lee and Jackie Chan did like. Iron Monkey oh wow Once Upon A Time In. China and all that stuff so is jungle. ping and his guys and they're like okay. you just you just followed this guy and. this little guy named tiger chat tiger. Chan. [ __ ] phenomenal I could do triple. flip this could do anything a wushu. champion they just follow that guy just. do what he does and for the next hour I. tried you know being the tall white guy. trying to just keep up with them. um can you do all that stuff God no God.

I just did as much signal until I fell. down but I was pretty flexible I had a. good gymnastic background so I throw a. backflip I do the kicks I do all the. spin hook kicks and you know we'd train. with a lot of Taekwondo guys and stuff. so we were pretty good at all the. kicking and punching and some of the. acrobatics but then it got to a level he. picks up a stick and now it's you know. you've seen the wish you guys yeah. you're going mental and I'm like oh boy. you know at the end of an hour you know. I'm in jeans and a t-shirt still. bleeding for my head oh Jesus did you. have a concussion I probably yeah I. think so knowing now we're looking back.

like yeah it didn't seem too good. um but I finished John foam thought wow. I really screwed the pooch on that one I. never thought I'd hear from those guys. again and then like a month later I go. hey can you come back an exact same. audition again exact same and then uh. got the call saying hey would you like. to double Keanu Reeves on this sci-fi. movie in Australia and I was like ah. yeah I got this other gig on TV I think. I'm gonna have to pass and the producer. time was Barry Osborne who went on to do. all the all the Lord of the Rings and he.

was like yeah he's kind of little hey. I'm saying no and uh I thought okay if I. [ __ ] that up I'll never work again. and then cut to two months later it was. in February and he calls back he's like. hey we had to push the shoot you. available now it's like yeah actually I. am so I literally flew to Australia like. two weeks later got there and within a. day you realized oh this wasn't this. isn't a normal show you saw the. rehearsals you saw some of the sets you. saw some of the footage and it was the. [ __ ] Matrix oh wow so that's how we. got in or how I got in with the.

wachowskis and I spent the next eight. and a half years with them through all. the Matrix sequels and all some of their. other shows and what James Boutique. doing V for Vendetta just lived in the. Wachowski world and that's probably one. of the most incredible film schools. you'll ever have and that's where I got. to know Keanu and all that cut two years. later after all that. um count and I had worked together for. so long in there he he knew I'd been. doing a lot of second unit directing. which for people that don't know it's. the action or like the fight scenes the. car chases the sun sets all the [ __ ]. first unit doesn't want to deal with.

um you see big action sequences so they. have these action directors or second. unit guys go out and do the units trying. to do it more efficiently without uh. without the cast with the stunt doubles. and such. and um kind of gotten this script they. thought was something interesting about. it was called scorn and it was the. original. uh John Wick script where how did it. become called John work uh Derek. kolstad's grandfather's name is John. Wick Derek Holsted being the writer of. it so he just gave tribute to his. grandfather Colin Wick John Wick oh wow. pretty trippy yeah and so and how did.

that become the name of the movie. um Keanu at the original script Scorn. the guy was like 65. he lived in a. little brown so it was very very. grounded script I think only two people. died in the original script and it was. like that's hilarious yeah it was kind. of it was very cold war old school and. that's where the gold coins came from. because you didn't want to leave a paper. trail it had very simple little ideas oh. wow and he handed it to myself and was. like hey would you like to take a look. at this and I was like sure sure I read.

it and I was like ah yeah I don't know. what to do with this action-wise he only. kills two people it's like well we're. trying to change it and we're thinking. of this I'm like well you know he's like. would you like to direct it I was like. whoa yes as a matter of fact so you had. no experience directing and then you. direct John Wick yeah just second in it. dude me and my uh partner of time Dave. Leach I called Dave that was on a Friday. called David on a Saturday going hey we. might have a shot we got to put a pitch. together in 24 hours so I always had. this idea about Greek mythology and how. we could layer it and do this like I'm a. big Tolkien fan so how do you take a.

fantasy gig and make it right modern day. so we're like uh let's take it that way. and we'll put gods and Greeks and Sharon. and the river sticks and we'll make this. whole Zeus thing going on and we kind of. laid it and Keanu just heard it on. Monday went interesting. and he said sure you want to do it I'm. like yeah you know me and my partner. Dave but we'll co-direct we'll we'll do. this and we brought it to the uh. producer of Basil ionic the next day and. he goes well okay I don't want you sure. we had done a little tape on that Sunday. about uh you know the gunfu stuff we.

took Aikido aikujitsu put it all the. close quarter tactical [ __ ] with some. reloads and we did a quick little. pre-vis in our in our space 8711 back in. LA. and showed it to him everyone oh my God. this is going to be you know great can. Keanu do it we're like yeah I hope so. where did the magazine reload flip come. from that funny thing that I'm gonna. give total cred to Keanu wow 100 he. started doing that in the second one. like I'm like dude what are you doing. he's like check it out [ __ ] he started.

doing it I was like that's awesome it is. awesome people do that now yeah it's a. it's a legit thing they're doing a. competition you know how crazy that is. that an actor for a film decides to come. up with a thing and it's actually a. quicker way to eject a magazine he's. eating into you know forehand and back. end he does it with the AR too like. you're watching the second one to do a. quick flip with the AR and they'll put. in on it you're like where the [ __ ] did. he get. well he really really trained for that. movie that's him I mean you can really. tell I mean it's there's films where.

guys do tactical scenes where you go. like okay you know I can buy it but but. in that movie the typical military way. of cutting through you know pieing the. corners and yeah on stuff the very. tactical sense I think you're right I I. see that it just it's like with martial. arts you can do the quick finger jab in. the eye right yeah some once in a while. that staccato beat is cool but. choreography and for the visual of it I. think sometimes you have to add. something you have to show people. something they kind of expect subvert it. and give them something a little bit.

different you know spice it up a little. bit so I think we went more with the. competition since you know I saw a Taran. online you know J.J Perry a buddy of. mine introduced me to Taryn online and I. saw Taran and I saw some of the quick I. was like [ __ ] that's what we got to put. a little Spice in this yeah and then. sent piano out there and Karen is such a. freak oh my god freak of me like he's no. one let's be honest no one should be. that good it's crazy it's crazy how good. it is the speed that he has is so insane. how many people have you seen they're. good at what he's such a good good guy. too he's such a fun guy to be around so.

easy going and what a great instructor. too because he's so calm and easy and. he's got a naturalistic approach it's. just follow your body fast he's one of. the only reasons I like to go back to LA. for real he's the only reason I go to. Simi Valley well that's I mean whenever. I'm in town I always make a trip and and. you get better every time right oh for. sure for sure just by watching him you. can see and I you know I was up there. uh just yesterday as a matter of fact. picking up something and I had.

introduced him to an actor about like. three four weeks ago and he had taken. this cast member in just three sessions. and the cast member happened to be up. there yesterday and to watch what he had. done with them in three weeks it it I. mean granted there is a little natural. ability there I could tell but like the. the progression and how fast he gets you. from just pointing in a firearm to. drawing it hip shooting pressing walking. and running through the course yeah I. mean it's hard to explain right until. you actually yes you can see it online.

but when you're there and seeing how. fast the pings are coming and actually. watching Taryn go through the obstacle. course yeah it's it's it's really really. impressive now he's a freak he's weird. but like something's going on in his. brain do you think like there's. something about the hand-eye. coordination and we all have a little. bit especially through martial arts but. that's not like that that's no well. obviously he's been doing it forever but. there's some he's got some god-given. ability it's got to be some autism right. he can just he I've seen him do things.

where he's looking one way and he's. still lining up like he just knows that. uh what would you call it like that. physical dismal or that body uh memory. yep the motor muscle memory to get in. there and no Red Dot he's doing it all. through those all Iron Sights all old. school and that's how he teaches which I. love yeah I love it too because he says. uh red dots fail and I've had red dots. fail yeah all the time all the time and. you're like what the [ __ ] is it [ __ ]. ah [ __ ] and you're [ __ ] with it and. he's just like okay as you're [ __ ]. around with it he's gonna go shoot a. couple more but he's been he's been very.

good like I'm naturally left-handed but. I should always shoot with him. right-handed but he's helped me so I can. he's got me to the point where I can. kind of go through the range with both. hands and the same dominant eye which is. a bit of a trip next there you go try. try alternate hands it'll mess with your. but it I think it'll help your sighting. well I'm sure everything you do with. your left hand will help your right hand. yeah I learned that from martial arts. yeah someone told me that a long time. ago that if you practice your bad side. it actually improves the technique on. your good side I think it helps you. think in a different way right yeah I. think that's one of the reasons why. left-handed people are so good at things.

what they say like you know back in the. day you know in gladiatorial or whatever. like the left-handed because it was hard. it wasn't so much that they were better. they just you weren't used to to. fighting with them well I think also. well there's definitely that like when. you spar with people especially in. boxing yeah. southpaws it's so confusing oh it [ __ ]. up your footwork because you don't want. to keep stepping on their foot exactly. kickboxing maybe it's a little bit. different well kickboxing you well MMA. in particular like the elite guys like. Sam Hagen these guys they switch stances.

constantly constantly and so this is. you're getting overloaded with. possibilities all the time which makes. it so interesting when you get to these. high level guys you know we get to like. an Israel out of Sanya guy they they. give you so many looks you don't know. what the [ __ ] is they're changing that. stance and fainting all the time and. it's very interesting I came up I did a. lot of box francaise like savat which is. very open stancy like they'd move it's. constant motion if you. so they would fall from a false lead and.

you see so much of that now you're right. it's false leads they're switched so you. don't it's hard to gauge or set them up. yes it's fascinating to watch now I. think athletes today especially in. martial arts are like just right a whole. nother level a whole nother level you. can't even because they're the best of. the best no one's ever been better it's. like martial arts I've always said this. that since 1993 in the last 30 years. martial arts have evolved more than they. have over the last 30 000 years. completely agree no questions about the. the fitness the training mentality and.

just the combative alacrity that these. guys have yeah the ability to I mean. they're insane athletes number one but. to kick punch shoot and grapple and not. miss a beat and get right back up like. you just watch them it's almost. choreography that's how good they're. being trained I mean they're they're. zero ranged you know before it used to. be like jab jab jab so you can shoot it. now it's like they can change ranges on. the Fly they're so good at it and. they're they're switching levels on you. like they're they're doing one thing to.

set up a takedown they're using. takedowns to set up strikes I mean it's. it's amazing it's mental it's so mental. Gary how good it is it really is because. it's so much different than any other. version version of martial arts that. existed before the UFC came along I. think we have become so divided you know. you were just the kicker you were just. the puncher right it was almost a. stylistic civil war going on like my. Kung Fu could be here but yeah my. kicking will be ear punching your mind. like you're like what what did you start. training in I was originally a judo.

first I did a lot of Judo back when I. just like when I was 10 to like 16 then. I started karate it was like a Kyoko. shinkai Coco condo karate and Japanese. Jiu Jitsu did that all the way till I. came to I went to school at USC from. Massachusetts and I got here and I. bumped in this guy Bert Richardson who. was a big student under Dan and asano. yeah and Bert was teaching like just a. Kali class Kali and and silot over at. USC and I met him and I was a big fan of. Dan Anderson. Black Belt Magazine yeah so he hooked me.

up and I got into the in asano academy. and that's where. it went mental we started with like. Francis Fong and uh Paul datoire for. Indonesian sea lot and we had like every. other Filipino instructor you could. imagine from that we had Francis I mean. Francis. and then we get these you know guest. appearances by like all these great. martial art instructors oh that's. awesome and that's where I met um this. guy Jeff Amato at the time was a very. big stunt coordinator and he kind of.

recruited us into the Stunt World from. there oh that's great wow so and so then. you get into the stunt world you're. doing that for years and years and it's. just so crazy that John Wick is your. first breakthrough movie as a director. and it's a [ __ ] gigantic we tried to. look for something that was kind of. bulletproof we figure very short story. oh man. you know and then we kind of layered it. in with the subtext of grief and. suffering and everything it's perfect uh. it's all about the public who was the.

Russian gentleman the guy who plays the. father yeah Michael Nyquist yeah that. guy was so good he was in uh the. original Girl With Dragon Tattoo and I. think he did yeah the third mission. impossible I think he was a bad guy in. he died recently right yeah he died a. couple years ago. um I think he I don't know if it was a. heart attack or stroke but he died he. still has a nice uh a charity thing that. they do every year for him fantastic guy. fantastic [ __ ] scene Swedish actor. the scene where he's explaining to his. son who's also awesome the guy was in. Game of Thrones what is his name Alfie.

Alfie Allen that guy's incredible so. good he's we Castle off Game of Thrones. oh my I Used to Love Game of Thrones. he's so good he's such he plays such a. good [ __ ] oh my God he's such a good. prick but like in life it's so funny he. is the shyest quietest super nice like. hardest word just never left set always. here ready to do his thing the sweetest. kid ever yeah well I can believe it and. he just played he's so good at them role. oh my God but that scene when he's at. the bar pouring the drink yeah explain. it giving him the little fairy tale of.

the Baba Yaga oh it's such a good scene. you know we were kind of laughing at. ourselves we're like how do we how do we. make a movie that people are gonna how. do we do something other than the gritty. you know born action and stuff like that. it's like we got to do a fairy tale we. just got to do a fairy tale we're gonna. do a campsite fire we're gonna have this. little fairy tale so we started looking. up all these Russian fairy tales like we. need a cool name okay Baba Yaga it's a. witch don't worry no one will ever know. no one ever see the movie it'd be fine. it's not the guy it's the guy you send. to kill the boogeyman okay we'll work. this out but it was like just building.

like I'm fascinated by mythology. so if you can build your own myth that's. what we're just trying to do like we're. trying to be a little ridiculous that's. why we use the color like. um instead of just Noir black and white. we try to do like neon Noir we had. Jonathan Sela and then Dan Laos and the. cinematographers on it and to try and. take it and give visual cues to the. audience that like this isn't real it's. a fairy tale right on board with it. that's why I see the color. differentiation right when the cop. knocks on the door he goes hey you're. working again yeah you just switch. colors and we're like okay hopefully. people will get that we're we're now on.

a fancy well it's it just seemed it was. it was realistic but not yeah and just I. need one anchor you always need one. anchor one of my buddies called me up. and the uh he goes have you seen John. Wick I go no is it good he goes dude. when you get that dude you're gonna. [ __ ] love it. and then and then I saw it I'm pretty. sure I saw it in the film in the movie. theater and uh I mean right away I was. like holy [ __ ] this is my kind of movie.

I mean this is so much fun it's uh right. it's everyone's kind of an otisin like. you know we all I'm probably the same. generation we grew up with like Steve. McQueen and Bronson sure you know a. little bit we're like not a lot of. dialogue but like yeah bullet he's in. that oh my God [ __ ] in it the [ __ ]. we just played the bullet scene the. other day I mean that car scene no music. no just it's all cars just cars just. cars and that's the real that's a that's. what the 68 Mustang it's just the whole. car 68 Fastback yeah carrying that scene. yeah and you're like that's pretty cool.

have you seen the revology 68 Mustang no. revology makes uh they make a replica of. the bullet but it's with his sick. suspension with a 460 horsepower Coyote. engine and it's lightweight so it's like. 600 pounds less than the than a real. Mustang GT from today yeah you'd be so. throw that around oh my God it's it's. it's an incredible car yeah he makes you. have to check that out pull it up I'll. show you this is this is what he makes. look at that.

that's his car I mean and it's you know. [ __ ] 0 to 60 in four seconds you know. so you can get a six-speed or a manual. and the [ __ ] car screams it's such a. fun car. so this guy's uh Tom scarpello he used. to work for Ford he used to be in their. uh the program to make the Ford GT and. so he built this car assembly to get. this cup but he doesn't it's it's what.

he does is incredible because he's. essentially done it like a production. car but it's a brand new. 1968 and it's done but it's not just the. bullet car he does the 67 GT500 67 GT350. that's for sure it's [ __ ] awesome. well that's what I mean again for all. your listeners you're the one that. you're the one that told us to use the. 71 barracuda I'm so excited when I saw. it in the previews I was like yes he.

listened I know with context I bump into. you for the first time up at taryn's. place and you know we got the handshake. hey you know how you doing yeah yeah and. it was uh Joe writes me going love the. movies where the [ __ ] are the muscle. cars. that was a problem I was like yeah sorry. I'm like okay we'll put one in for the. fourth one he's like you better so we go. into production and we're sitting I'm. literally sitting in Berlin going I am. [ __ ] looking for cars we're over in. Europe I'm gonna find a [ __ ] muscle. car Joe Rogan's gonna [ __ ] hate me. I'm like how do I do this so I I text.

you I'm like what's the perfect car he's. like 71 Barracuda don't go with any of. that [ __ ] 69 stuff get the 71 yeah you. don't want to get the early barracudas. you want 70 and 71. those are the years. that's why you send me that picture and. that's the exact card it's the exact one. with the fins that's it that's it yep. exactly I mean come on that is it's. [ __ ] classy we ripped that thing. apart like we had um Tanner Faust like. one of the best Drifters I love that guy. Tanner's awesome yeah he's awesome so. he's helped us out on a lot of the John.

Wick so we brought him into uh my son. queen or Scott Rogers and Steve Dunleavy. brought him in to teach Kano to do all. the the 240 and the the 360 drifts and. all that stuff so he gets right in there. they just put the new suspension in put. put the [ __ ] insane engine in this. thing and they had candle doing these. [ __ ] circular drifts literally like. in two weeks it hurts so bad watching. you guys Smash It Up and all of them the. 69 Mustang and John Wick 2 and it. destroys it I'm like this no I know oh. oh we destroyed it probably a few more. than we should have on this one did you.

yeah you got to break a few eggs well. we've worked I mean I mean how many. people went out and bought 69 Mustangs. and 70 Chevelles after that fight I. actually really enjoyed this the. Chevelle I didn't think I'd like the. Chevelle as much as I did I [ __ ] I. have one I have one just like that yeah. mine's not green but yours didn't look. green right it had that like Matrix. green very dark green exactly yeah but. in dark the way you film everything so. dark and Moody. yeah I really I I know I'm supposed to. say the Mustang but I really like the.

Chevelle I'm a Chevelle guy yeah I like. I love the Mustangs too I mean I'm a. muscle car head I love them yeah they're. so it's fun the the guys in Europe when. you go shopping around there it's almost. you'll find a I know there's a lot of. people here but we thought we were gonna. have a big problem looking for all the. different muscle cars and you're like. they're amazing collectors over there. really I love them like Warehouse is. full of it makes sense because a lot of. Americans collect European cars yeah. there's the 16 the 70 rather 70 Chevelle. for the Continental.

that was kind of on a goof too we wanted. something else and we ended up getting. this and we're like oh my God we just. saw when that's the car yeah that's the. car yeah we were trying to make a choice. and can I just walked home doesn't know. that one yeah. well it's you know it's it's in the. Mount Everest of the muscle car Classics. yeah I mean especially the 70s. Chevelle's weird because like the old. ones are not a 68 and 69 are cool. they're really cool 70s the [ __ ]. though and then 71 they go to like this. Goofy single headlight thing it doesn't.

look right 72 looks like [ __ ] [ __ ]. with the rear tail lights and oh well I. think that's what we were really trying. to you kind of summed it up right there. for like the John Wicks they're like we. kind of we did it as a goof we thought. we'd never direct again we're like piano. was like yeah let's just do an action. movie for us you know whatever we're. thinking no one's ever gonna see it like. we'll just keep her a second you need. jobs and we're like we just made we got. this big white board and we went in we. wrote down okay everybody take a market. write down the 10 things you [ __ ]. hate about action movies. and then go write the 10 things you love.

about actions that you'd want to see. like muscle cars gunfu or like martial. arts were like you know like suits we. want like want to bring a little class. back like what do we love about Bond. what do you love about Mission. Impossible what's what's Cruz doing. what's you know Daniel Craig doing. what's you know Matt doing and and. boring like let's write down the stuff. we love that makes this and then we're. just gonna mix it up and throw all the. stuff like I have a museum fetish I have. an art fetish obviously I have a color. fetish yeah I have a dog fetish. obviously. um I like making something about a dog. we're gonna like we had attack dogs on.

the first one but they just didn't fit. so I could move that over to number. three when we have more money yeah and. it's just like okay what's what's all. the fun stuff that you want to see in. action movies and none of the the. structures we had in any of the scripts. fit for it. so we're just like okay we'll go back to. Odysseus and like The Iliad or the. Odyssey and we'll go okay this guy just. wants to get home he just wants to. grieve and we're gonna throw as many. rocks at him as we can on the way and. see if we can make obstruction and we'll. just have Keanu do an endurance race. that's kind of how we did it and just.

doing everything else we love well it's. got to be one of the most wild pulse. pounding movies ever because like the. scene I did this thing with my friends. we do that every year we do this sober. October thing and uh one year we did a. fitness challenge and we're the my. friends uh Ari shaffir Bert Kreischer. and Tom Segura and me and Bert Kreischer. talks so much [ __ ] and the fitness. challenge was we all had to wear these. uh heart monitors and uh it's this thing.

called my zones and uh you uh you have. to keep your heart rate at 80 percent. you it's like one point per minute at 90. percent it's like two points per minute. and so it's like it's amount of points. per day right and I watched John Wick 50. times in a row and I did no I'm not. bullshitting man I watched the scene. from the the bathhouse scene 50 times in. a row I did seven hours of car cardio. and I did it just to try to break Bert.

because he was talking so much [ __ ] and. so like a normal score for a day a guy. would get like 400 or 300. I got. 1150 for the day holy [ __ ] and I put it. up just because I'm like I'm gonna kill. you because he kept talking [ __ ] I go. dude I'm gonna kill you I'm gonna I'm. gonna drag you to hell I'm like you're. not gonna be able to keep up I'm gonna. I'm gonna push myself to the point where. I'm almost dead and I'm gonna kill you. there's probably a there's probably. there's probably a study in that visual. stimuli yeah to heart rate and.

adrenaline so I'm on an elliptical. machine watching that scene with a. remote control just rewinding it going. back rewinding it that [ __ ] nobody. that's John Wick and then you go through. that and he's killing in the house get. to the red circle bar assassinations. left and right it's so that just carried. me through the whole sober October month. that's a psychosomatic study and I. probably watched that movie a hundred. times I'm not bullshitting that's crazy. I watched whenever on board in the gym I. just throw it on that that's cool yeah.

that's cool that you can watch it over. and over it's a [ __ ] great get you. pumped up movie it's uh it was fun to. make but we didn't honestly we didn't. know what we were doing did you have any. idea it would be so huge though when it. was done though you had to know you. nailed it no we got we got weird. comments back we got like too many. headshots cut out all the headshots we. got it you can't kill the kid alfian and. you can't kill the puppy somebody's got. to live that you know we were. independent so everyone was scared that. we weren't going to get picked up. because we had been we went when we. shopped it we went to like four or five.

Studios and we didn't we didn't even. finish the pitch. they're like nah we're cool thank you. for real yeah we didn't we didn't get. bought so we made the thing. independently with Thunder Road with. bowserionic and Erica Lee. um and it was until we came out here. actually to Fantastic Fest like no one. was behind the movie so bows up this. great let's go we'll show it a fantastic. Fest see if anybody will clap so me Dave. and Keanu sneak in real low-key we're. gonna do a little surprise thing at that. and can't I'll do his little you know. wave to the crowd and The Crowd Goes.

[ __ ] mental like mental and like the. first family and friends we had everyone. got was really quiet afterwards like no. applause it was just really quiet really. yeah why what do you think that is I I. just think at the time you were in the. fast cut shaky Cam and it was you know. the the the just so ludicrous that he's. gonna kill 68 or 86 people over a puppy. [Laughter]. I mean you gotta remember this is how we. pitch it right so like we'll go to a. studio and go okay so we got this we got.

Keanu Reeves right I know we're first. time stunt guys but it's an action movie. right it's like okay and. he's going to shoot all the stuff and so. his wife dies of natural causes like. yeah yeah. the bad guys don't kill it like no no. no but they kill his puppy. I'm like yeah and he kills all the. people because of the puppy but not the. what like they're like what happens next. I'm like no that's it the next 45. minutes are like just you know Rampage. and yeah yeah no we didn't we didn't. sell it. so they must be kicking themselves now.

yeah well Lionsgate bought us. internationally and then they sold it to. domestic and um since then you know. we've gone through a couple regime. change at Lionsgate but now like the. last one was really cool like everyone's. on board like Joe Drake Nathan cahane. Matt leonetti. um you know. um Adam Fogelson everybody that's part. of theirs you know they really pushed. this last one they they knew John Wick. was cool they loved the third one and. they got on board but for the first. first round it we had once we sold that. the movie came out before he even came. out there's like this lag they bought it.

and then there's like six months before. we hit theaters I think Dave went off. and did Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. nine or whatever it was I went off and. did that the Grimsby brothers or. brothers Grimsby Sasha Baron Cohen movie. second unit down in South Africa for. like five months because I was broke. um it was pretty funny yeah we thought. we'd never direct again so we were like. we better go find some stun jobs. and then it worked out and then. um like uh not even a month after it. opened Keanu had called up and go hey uh. they called me about doing number two. but only do it with with you guys you in.

and I was like are you kidding yes [ __ ]. we're in whatever it takes wow that's. completely nutty man yeah and number two. just picks up right we're number one. left off yeah and we just like okay and. right off the Jump like opening scene. yeah we had no idea what to do I was. like trying to figure out ideas for that. one I got you know it's like the the. sensory deprivation tank it was just. going to a room and not not leave till. we came up with an idea. so you decided just the the hunt for his. car yeah well it destroys it was my with. my now partner Alex Young we're doing a.

second unit gig we were doing agent 47. the second one whatever that was called. I think it was 85 7 right in Berlin and. we're sitting there and we had got the. call to to okay we got to come up with. an idea and then we partner at the time. or our my partner now um Alex Young was. sitting there and he's like you got to. get the car back man he lost his [ __ ]. car I'm like No One's Gonna care about. the car. dude he's like he's like he [ __ ]. totem loves muscle cars like you gotta. put the card every guy he kills he's. gonna get a piece of the car back he's. getting his [ __ ] car back I'm like.

that's a great opening he's gonna get. the car back yeah yeah no when he sits. in the car and he's like touching the. steam. but that's Kiana like Keanu bring like. that's not just John that's Keanu Keanu. loves cars he loves bikes he loves the. discipline of it he loves like that's. why he's got Arch motorcycles right if. you ever get a chance you should check. that shop out it's the most pristine I'm. sure I can't [ __ ] with motorcycles I'm. scared of them yeah but to build just to. watch how he's got all the water Cutters. there it's very it's a very artistic oh.

the bikes are incredible they're great. but he brings that to every like he just. he's very. not compulsive he's very uh he loves. yeah he loves the art of it he's. fascinated by like who makes this cup. Joe like how do you like he everything. he'll he just fascinated over he wants a. story on it he's one of the most curious. most. um I guess curious artistically how. things are done who people are he's just. got a gender in curiosity and love for. things he's a very unique guy and I.

think so I've never met him but just. every interview you see with him every. movie he's a very unusual person yeah. and he's got you know I think I think. anybody really artistic or at least the. really I think artistic people that I've. met they maintain that little bit of and. I mean this in in the best of ways a. little bit of of childness Wonder. um there's still kids a little bit like. I I could talk to you all day about like. archery I could talk to you all day. about Marshall I talked to you all day. about motorcycle I could talk to you all. day about movies and I think that's you. got to have that you need that little.

inspiration I think you need that little. bit of of Wonder wonderlust into into. certain things and I think he still got. that like he he will still he'll see a. sequence we'll come in with the. nunchucks and do something and he'll. start giggling. he's like you want me to do that he's. like okay that's pretty cool and he just. goes from totally serious guy to okay. now how do I learn how to know and he. just everything you need to know about. nunchucks he wants to know about num. checks he just throws himself into it so. how much time did he have to train. martial arts before John Wick won oh God.

it wasn't that. he was coming out of a couple films so. he hadn't been um like he wasn't in. fight shape that was so you know how you. know it's just like you can't just jump. back in so we gave him like I think. three to five weeks with some of the. trainers we found to get into shape to. get into shape. you know cut weight got himself back in. stretched you know kind of got back into. where he was on The Matrix. and then we stuck him with the the fight. teams and the stunt guys I think we had. him within three months that was.

probably the shortest one we did that. was about three months to get him into. that shape and teach him all the you. know the Aikido stuff and the Aki Jitsu. well you need so there's so much going. on those movies physically that you need. to be proficient in yeah the gun stuff. the the throws Jiu Jitsu striking. everything the Jiu Jitsu is the new. thing for him probably not the most. physically demanding but you know how it. is we were used to use in your hands and. feet I mean I'm sure you remember the. first time you transitioned Jitsu it's. like it looks easy but yeah. completely it's an eye opener yeah it.

really is and only even recently for me. I'm starting to feel like oh I can move. I like it feels just as good to be on my. back as my butt is like you know but I. think we took a lot of inspiration from. dance like you know. most of what we do is dance they're. based on Dance drills they're not based. on martial art drills they look like. martial arts we kick punch but we don't. train the actors in tie pads or Focus. mitts or heavy bag we'll do maybe a. little that for impact stuff but it's. mostly about memory because if a guy can. punch a kick that's great but if you. can't remember five moves. you're not much good right and it's more.

you know martial arts is Action Reaction. or causing the guy to be off balance all. our guys are trained to to keep him on. balance to make it look crazy but they. got to dance with them so it's about. that metronome. keeping the beat going so when we. trained him. um he hadn't been trained that way. before it was more like memorizing. memorizing uh you know a few moves. hitting some kind of sequence but we. realized we had no money and we had no. time and every time we do punches and. kicks you see in most movies right like. they're on you right over my shoulder. then you know you take the hit and it.

goes over your shoulder so I can sell. the hit so you're always doing these. reverses so they do a big wide shot. profile you throw in a nice roundhouse. kick I gotta cut somewhere to show the. impact unless you're really kicking me. which not advisable most of the time so. all every time the more punching and. kicking striking you do or if piano's. not doing the motion I gotta cut more. and every time I cut it's a setup it's. it's just time consuming not that it's. bad or good it's just time consuming we. knew we weren't going to have that so. we're like [ __ ] what do we do okay we're. just gonna grab people we're just gonna. make it all grappling and like is that.

gonna look you know you remember it's. all during the born so everything's. gonna look very slow. you know compared to what it was but. we're just we're gonna do all great. we're gonna do Aikido akijitsu and. Jiu-Jitsu that's it that's all you get. and if you get a punch it'll be a. contact hit that's all we're gonna do no. punches no kicks no nothing and we'll do. it all in one take and we're all like uh. yeah sounds good. um no one no yeah we thought it was a. complete disaster after the first two. days of shooting the fight scenes we're. like this is gonna suck we're [ __ ]. um why'd you think that though I think. it was everyone's mindset like we did it.

out of necessity and we thought it was. cool but like you'd see people that. would where's the key like you know some. sometimes people look at well he's doing. the same throw over it I mean ipon. sayanagi looks the same but for us the. different grips the different throws it. all looks different to me like I'm a. throw you know I love Judo porn I I. could watch a million different throws. it's awesome. um for some people it all looks the same. they want to see the cool jump spin hook. kick or something like that. um but then we put in the close quarter. stuff and when you're seeing it remember. we don't have the muzzle flashes on we.

don't have the blood splatters right so. you're just kind of seeing you know it. looks like they're dancing right and. then you put in the sound effects and. you put in the muzzle and then you put. in the [ __ ] reload and like now it's. making sense so what do you when when. he's shooting in the actual filming is. he just pulling the trigger and it's. just going click well see that's the. thing you have dummy rounds when you. when you most movies you always see A to. B cutting right I'm on you you're the. guy like guns in the camera you fire the. blank most Firearms up until very. recently fire blanks and for the people.

out there a blank is around without the. actual bullet the lead piece it hits but. a blank still has a gun powder charge in. it say maybe a you know even if it's. only 50 grams of black powder but at a. range of 10 to 15 feet that'll still. that can kill you yeah concussive force. that's and you hear about all the. accidents that have happened with blanks. over the years like you can't put a. blank under your head and pull the. trigger yeah right so we want to do all. this close quarter shooting like we. wanted to put the muzzle and do all this. stuff close quarter contact stuff so we.

you know we went to our VFX guys and the. trick is not so much the muzzle flask. it's the lighting interaction especially. at night and it's cycling the automatic. yeah getting it in and having the casing. ejection all do but it can add up with. visual effects costs so we went and we. found um the armors and you know through. Taran and the other the technologies. that we found through the armors we made. a plug gun a plug gun is a gun that has. a almost a steel rod inside the barrel. and it kicks the gas a different way so. we still have an ejection but nothing no. energy no flash no padding and wadding.

comes out the barrel like you know you. couldn't put a live round in it if you. tried so is it a lower round a lower. level. in England they use some that are like. almost air contained they can do it and. us it's a very very small charge of of. black powder so it's a very very we call. them plug guns they're very very limited. in in the drainage so it's just enough. to cycle around just enough to cycle it. yep nothing yeah exacting but nothing. comes out the barrel so all that stuff. you see the blood spot better that's all.

CGI the blood is all CG there's one or. two instances where it's not but most of. the blood is the blood's so good. nowadays digitally that it saves so much. time because we have to change the ward. over get it I mean like you know you. seem like a Tarantino like in Django. Tarantino still uses old school blood. packs which I you know I'm old school I. [ __ ] love that I think it's amazing. but with just the time and you know you. like you see a John Wick movie it's like. you know the reset on 20 stone guys. taking hits in one day it'd be a three. hour reset to change the Wardrobe right. and head shots you'd have to put a. special head pack on with a wig and all.

that stuff so we do we do the the blood. hits digitally the muzzle flashes we. actually shoot against a green screen. and we'll call them elements and then. we'll plug actual muzzle flashes back. into the movie later on so they're not. digital per se but they are Compton or. in a composition and that's how we get. the cool lighting effect and keep the. cool muzzle flashes how long did it take. you to film that red circle bar scene I. think less than four days really yeah we. went really fast and Keanu was he had. the flu he had like 103 degree fever he. was going down it was was it was a rough.

day it was freezing cold New York he had. the flu a super high temperature and we. were just flying through it like. literally two three takes move on two. three days filming it with the flu wow. yeah he's a trooper man. that's incredible yeah he's a tough. [ __ ] a lot of actors have a [ __ ]. earache they'll call it quits for the. day uh yeah yeah no comment no comment. but like most of the people we work with. are they get it and we try to be smart. too look if we if there's another way if. we could have shut down and let them we.

just. it was like one of those we either got. to stop or we don't but we don't get one. shot and you couldn't count as that guy. too you can't you can't make him where. did you film that I was on New York City. but the the red circle it was in this. little it was up in the Theater District. I forget the name of it it was a. shutdown little Club. that we just kind of opened back up and. put on put our own their own lighting. rig in there and just kind of lit it up. I mean if you had seen it in the daytime. it was all like that [ __ ] brown leather. it looked like you're walking into a. like uh you know big boys or something.

it looked really bad that gives credit. to John sella the cinema tiger on the. first one we went in. put our lighting grid up flashed a lot. of big screen Neon Lights. um put the extras in funny colors and. you know we ran out of money so we're. like we didn't we didn't know how to put. the the bad guys in something so we're. like okay what would Star Trek do in. Star Trek we always call them the red. shirts you know the guys in Star Trek. that right always getting killed you. have to do was right there Kirk was. transporting down to the planet with the. Redshirt guy and that guy was gone so we. put all our bad guys in the red shirts.

they were just gonna kill them all I. think we had a deal there's a local like. one of the Garment District things you. could I think we got all those red. shirts for like 10 bucks it was like a. whole deal so he's got all the stunt. guys red shirts but yeah we did it on. this shitty little Club in like four. days five uh maybe four and a half days. something like that and this has got to. be very stressful for you to be first. time director doing all this and then so. much pressure and also it's not picked. up by anybody it you know it's weird I. guess when you're in it you're just.

trying to just go into that motive don't. suck like you don't have to win you just. can't lose just finish get the day do. your thing and my partner Dave Leach at. the time like you know we both were so. we just love being on set so I think we. just it was kind of you know. you come from the action you say oh. these guys can do action and you can do. that but when you're trying to put the. storytelling in you're trying to do that. I mean you might get other guys you'll. talk to or guys who come from the Stone. World and say yeah it's just like doing. it's for me it was nothing like second.

unit completely different it had that. different kind of pressure but like. I guess. you see how things come together more. you know you just do the action you're. worried about just making it look cool. you're trying to do something like yes. you have Keanu Reeves you have Ian. McShane you have William Defoe Lance. Reddick and you're kind of going to Iowa. but [ __ ] this who was the badass Russian. guy that Keanu gets in a fight with and. the guy throws him off no that's Dan. that's Daniel Bernhardt that's a good he. was the star of Bloodsport 2 and. Bloodsport three pull that one up no.

kidding yeah after Von Dom Daniel was. this uh he's a Swiss actor who came. that's Daniel Bernard yeah he's very. good he's awesome he's a good good close. friend uh but I had worked with him he. had hired me as a stunt guy when he was. the lead actor in Bloodsport 2. Bloodsport 3. Bloodsport four or five I. don't know they go on forever right but. uh when it was time to do this we called. in every favor we had and you know like. that whole lower budget that's how we. got Scott Atkinson Martin Costas and. Gary Daniels and Daniel Berna all these. markers of Roar all these great you know.

up and coming actions my friend Tate. Fletcher was in it too Tate yeah Tate. was with the beard it's awesome like he. had that beer and we're like what are we. doing oh we got a courtyard for the. beard we slammed down and shoot him in. the head Tate's awesome man yeah it. doesn't take forever a great guy he's. awesome and he's he's a really good. actor he's got the eyes like he can pop. those eyes out he's fantastic but you. look for those guys right you put them. in the cool spots yeah but this [ __ ]. this whole scene is just so fun.

it's such a crazy scene come on that's a. real beard there by the way yeah that's. a real beard he's awesome. oh yeah no super fun I mean that's. always the trick but like if you get the. the people you like around you they kind. of give you a hand so we had a lot of we. called in a lot of favors and a lot of. friends and you know they all know it's. your first time like the crew and the. cast like Ian McShane everybody kind of. knew Keanu had gone out Keon had one day. off. on John Wick one and you know New York.

City Base Camp is like blocks away from. the set so me and my partner Dave Leach. um it's Ian mcshane's first day on set. so it's like four in the morning we're. gonna walk over this trailer introduce. ourselves say hi how you doing I mean. it's kind of a big deal for us keanu's. sitting outside his trailer at like 4 30. in the morning is one day off I'm like. what are you doing here he's like I just. thought I'd come in early and talk to. Ian and you know warm up for you a. little bit we're like that's what kind. of guy is so he kind of greased the. wheels for us he walks in and you know. Ian's like so here it's your first movie.

yeah uh don't worry we'll get you. through it you know everybody was so. cool because we just kind of admitted we. didn't know what we're doing and we. wanted to learn and get our thing going. how difficult is it to take the dailies. and then edit it down to a film like the. editing process you know to put the. assembly together to actually just put. Clips together it's. it's not that hard I mean good bad you. know you could take a couple shots at it. it's to and you don't know this until. you try it a couple times it's like. where's the actual like how much can you.

take away it's like chipping away at the. at the Statue right it's not adding. things it's taking away things to really. shine what's good you know lose some of. the good to get to the great so you. don't want to cut your action you don't. want to cut any scenes but then you. watch the movie as a whole and this is. what I'd say to any other editor. directors out there that are just. getting started. if you just edit a scene or you just. edit a sequence or you just edit like an. act and then watch it and go I got it I. got it um you still haven't got it. because there's this thing we've all. felt it in movies about pacing right. there's a way a three-hour movie can.

feel like two hours is away a one hour. move you can feel like three hours it's. all about the pacing right so what what. I learned from it is you got to sit and. every time you make when you're in that. place where you can just make these one. minute or two minute changes you got to. take the time to sit back and watch the. whole thing no pee breaks no phone calls. and that's what we did on week four a. lot was like everyone kept telling me. it's too long so I know but let's just. watch it. and my editorial would hate me because. like twice a week we're like everybody's. watching it you know like we're watching. this and you'd have to sit and get.

through the two and a half hours of it. and that's the only way you know and. then you're like still we're not there. this is too fast. but is it hard to when you're in the. middle of it is it hard to see it yeah. because you've seen it so many times is. it hard to see it the way another person. is gonna see it it's like. it's like knowing you're lost but also. not being nervous by it it's being lost. in a good way because you can feel it. right you can feel there's something. cool there and you can feel like I just. go back to being an audience member what. do I wish I had seen in stores sorry.

that's okay uh you know you're trying to. trying to figure it out right and that's. that's the exciting part you know. there's something tingly there you know. there's something good but what is it. um it's kind of you can't be afraid to. try because now digitally we can go back. and forth and have 20 versions of the. movie like it's not like the old days we. cut film and glue it yeah so we would. always make a new we we'd try I've. always had good editors I've always had. young hungry great great editors that. wanted to experiment and you they swing.

big so let's just can we do this movie. an hour and 20 minutes and they'll do a. version of it can we do this out can we. do this an hour and 45 what's the. version of it and you'll start to see. things that you obviously hate but. you'll also see choices that you could. make to tighten things up it's I know. I'm sure everybody you talk to will have. a different process but like I think. it's both terrifying and exciting and I. again it's hard to explain you can feel. like you're on the right path even. though you don't know it does that make. sense then you just have to keep trying. till you watch it in the room with the.

sound and you're like that's it that's. the movie I wanted did you bring in. people that hadn't seen it before and. just watched it yeah I'm a big fan of. like friends and family stuff and like. at First You're Gonna your ego may not. be ready because like everybody likes. something else everybody thinks. something should be cut everybody thinks. it's too much blood or not enough blood. literally in the same day I've had some. of our our you know some of our our you. know female friends came in and wanted. more action and some of our guy friends.

were like we want less action like you. just couldn't tell what people wanted. um but you listen to what they all love. and that was the cool thing they all. love Keanu they all cried when the puppy. died you know they they all they all. felt it was something they hadn't really. seen before it was action in a different. way they liked the mythology part of it. they like the color they like the sound. they thought it was all very well made I. mean whether you like it or not you know. like the crew is really good you know. that kind of thing and that's that's. what sticks with you but like I now I.

I'll show my movie there I love showing. it because I love here I like I get some. of the most insane comments and it's. it's pretty funny like even the reviews. like Kiana and I have this little thing. like. you know so I I know I've talked to some. director friends that don't don't read. reviews we read like every one like. masochistic about it you know or like. everything on Rotten Tomatoes or honest. trailers or everything wrong with or. like you know the critical Drinker all. these great guys on YouTube are just. [ __ ] hearing us on little [ __ ] and.

we're kind of laughing because like okay. fair game that we were right we're a. little over the top but it's very. interesting to see what grabs people. because partly you're kind of like okay. what's working you just can't let it. direct you really you know you don't. want to chase the dragon of what other. people want you want to do the movie. that you want and hopefully people like. it but it's very interesting to see what. what does touch because I mean you know. it's the only true north you have is. what you like and what you're interested. in and that's how you drive your show. and that's what makes the show unique. because it's from you you started doing.

what you thought was popular what. everybody wanted to see and it didn't. work how do you course correct you don't. know because it's not you anymore right. yeah and that's just kind of what we try. to do yeah that becomes a real problem. with people that pay too much attention. into criticisms or comments well you can. get lost in the middle of I was actually. just talking to a friend the other night. that he said he thinks about negative. comments while he's writing his jokes. yeah I don't know if that's productive. in the right way I think it's okay to be.

aware of it but I certainly wouldn't. want to I don't want to sit down and. write a movie base well hey you know how. many sequels have you seen where they. bring back the same cast over and over. again or the same jokes or the same gag. or the same because they think it works. we better not [ __ ] with it right okay. that's great in a lot of businesses but. in entertainment. I don't think that's going to push or. move the needle right the way we need to. do it I think we got to take chances. right otherwise what are we doing well. you've created one of the interesting. things about the whole WIC franchise is.

that you've created this universe this. universe of the Continental this. universe of all these different rules. that this group of Assassins has and now. you have this opportunity with that to. do so many other things because you have. like there's a whole world we have tea. for you there if you want it ah thanks. um I I guess that's you know we created. the world based on stuff that we had. done you know being a stunt guy you. travel around you live in hotels all the. time like yeah wouldn't be cool if the. concierge gave you a firearm that'd be. great you know or if they had a gun.

range downstairs instead of a gym that. would be fantastic. um but it's also like I mean again if. you made your list of the top 10 things. you wanted to see in movies you know. you'd have dogs ninjas muscle cars guns. archery right you know sword fight you. know and then you made a list of the top. 10 people you'd want to see I want to. see Donna Yen fight Steve McQueen do. Bruce Lee on Schwarzenegger yeah you. know we just tried to create a franchise. where we could put all that stuff in and. no one would call us on it because. there's no I mean you know we've been. called for the superhero movies and all. the other stuff which are all.

interesting and I'm a big fan I just. don't think that's what I'd be good at. right you know I think a little crazier. mindset of what's not being done unless. how do we get that in like you know the. old show kasuji movies you know Enter. the Ninja or something like that or. Chuck Norris's Invasion USA like you. know things that were kind of so nutty. and wacky but like you know they hit a. chord so how do we bring that back in. just a and I don't want to say a cool. way but like a more modern uh or. technically more.

more developed way yeah that's why we. spend so much time on the look of the. John Wicks like we want people to take. the action like look we're trying to do. a good job here we're not just trying to. phone it in but the same time we do want. to be a little crazy like like I mean. how many dog bites to the crotch did I. do quite a few you know how long it. takes to train built in Balance to buy. the crotch uh does it take a lot no. actually about a day it's pretty smart. it takes the stun guy a lot longer to. get used to being bitten in the crotch. what do you do to pad their crotch or. give them like we have these cool little. Kevlar suits.

um it's funny right uh. uh Andrew our our dog trainer when I. first told he's a guy that trains all. the um wolves for Game of Thrones oh wow. so I I called him and said like I have. dogs myself and you know you know how. you play with the dogs that little ball. and you again you have the little tug of. war fight with him I was like I want to. do that how do I do that. because like I don't know if people will. seen it when you've normally up until. very recently if you see a dog attack at. a movie. that's a dog attacking a human the dog.

doesn't know it's a [ __ ] movie the. dogs just attacked the dog is literally. trying to hurt that person on camera. it's not good for the dog it's not good. for the person those professional animal. trainers wearing a bite suit that you. know all [ __ ] Kevlar Patty you've. seen them it's bulkiest but like a suit. of armor and the dog just goes to kill. him we didn't think that was such a. brilliant idea in the way we wanted to. do things so it's like there's got to be. another way to train dogs because I can. train my dogs just to wrestle with me so. um what we do is we take these long. cylindrical pads bite pads that are.

painted green screen green right and. they're velcroed on one side with a rip. cord like the parachute rip cord. so they're laced on to the the either. the forearm the crotch the leg the calf. wherever we want the dog to bite and the. dog's been trained to attack green so. you can't you can't wear green on set. polish. so we've got the dog trained to attack. these green uh bite pads. and uh the dogs that's why we we go out. uh Andrew finds the the belgians that.

seem to have the most promise and. they're trained to wrestle they're not. trained to attack they're not trained to. to kill or to bite the sun they're. trained to wrestle they have fun so the. dogs think it's now fun so we're. training them you know when usually when. a dog wrestles with you over a bone you. no down boy down we're we've encouraged. it so the dog is actually having fun so. it's not mentally traumatic on the. animal so it's fun so the stunt guys go. in they go in for their martial art. training and their physical training. Keanu and whoever else we're working. with and for an hour and a half a day. each stunt guy that worked with the. animal has to go in because the dog has.

to recognize you has to smell you have. to get used to him the camera guys. everybody that's around dogs has to go. play basically just an hour of play. the sun guys go in put the gear on they. wrestle with the dog. and then uh the dog gets used to them. and we put the. wherever it's got to go and then we have. these really cool sleeves that have a. little bit of uh a bite proof uh ethical. foam in it covered with a really soft. pad so the dog doesn't hurt his teeth. and the dog will go in a bite and. belgians once they clam that's why they. call them like maligators once they bite.

they don't let go so we had to figure. out a way to get them off when we yell. cut because they're so angst about. getting the getting an attempt so you. have the rip cord going so we yell cut. the stunt guy would pull the rip cord. the pad would release the dog would hold. the pad walk away with it and just hold. on to it for the next five minutes until. you got tired Mr dropped the pad so we. had five belgians and then we just wrote. to every take was a new dog because the. other one had to let the pad go and what. did Halle Berry have to do how much well. we figured since just like we did with.

Shamir Anderson this one you can't have. that because we're so we shoot so wide. we couldn't have a trainer you know. right behind the couch on the dog so we. just Andrew and I had talked about let's. just. we'll just raise the dogs for the next. six months with the cast so Halle for. like I think it was almost eight and a. half months actually Hallie would come. in and she learned to train him she'd. carry the little treats and so they. listened the two. uh belgians that were number three. there's actually four of them but the. two that were always on camera there.

like she literally trained from scratch. no kidding so they Abate like they were. like her dogs wow and they listened to. every word she said like she gets a. snapper fan they'd be like boom but it. got it got it got crazy to the point. where that's Andrew back there for that. yeah I mean if you came over to to. Hallie. you know and the dogs are there they'd. give you the eye like what are you doing. next to my master yeah they're intense. dogs they're so brilliant but they look. at you they sort things out yeah the. team guys call them meat missiles. because they fly like we've played so.

many videos of uh Belgian Malinois. running up hills oh my God just jumping. over walls and like they literally can. fly that's really one of the rebellions. that ran up the wall in that movie that. was like a 13 and a half foot thing yeah. it's insane they are such athletes and. the funny thing is they're not they're. not huge but it is a real 65 to 75 pound. animal yeah and I think the the funniest. thing when we're bringing in a new stunt. team and we've got the like before we.

even do anything we line them up and you. let the dogs go in and everyone says. they're good with dogs or I'm a dog. person until you see that you see the. dog attack on camera if you were to turn. that camera around what you see are two. trainers holding this dog back and the. thing is like oh I just ready to go and. it's a whole other level of animal. behavior yeah and you can see who gets a. little shaky yeah it's comfortable Dave. Camarillo who we were talking about. earlier uh who trained Keanu for the. Judo and the Jiu Jitsu and number four I. think he did over a hundred dog hits.

you just he bought it for whatever. reason Crazy Dave and the dogs bonded. and they were both they they spoke the. same language they loved they loved him. so whenever we needed a dog it's Dave so. yeah because he was he's so I don't know. if you like he's so calm yeah and the. dogs Vibe on that and even when they're. going they just they're just yeah go. play with Dave and Dave wrestle with him. yeah I think he had done so many by the. end of the movie counting him a special. t-shirt of just like 109 dog hits or. something that's crazy but like the.

surprise is the first time you see the. stunt man get hit by the dog because it. you know it doesn't look that big until. 75 pounds hits you at 20 miles an hour. yeah it sits them down and they all get. up with the same eyes like what just. happened yeah it's pretty impressive we. use those on Fear Factor really black. people yeah but unfortunately we found. that they're too light so like with. really heavy people like really strong. people well they get bit and they could. carry the dog because they ran yeah and.

so then we moved to Mastiffs which are. not small we had uh this uh animal. called a Regency Mastiff that's part pit. bull part Neapolitan and this guy had. bred them specifically so they don't. show any animal aggression and when they. bite it's just it's horrific they're 150. 160 pounds exactly right and they're. just built like an athlete what do they. have to do just attack them and then. they had to walk with them yeah well the. people they with the Mastiffs there was.

a room and they had to enter into the. room they had to perform a very specific. task I don't remember what it was but as. soon as they get into the room they're. wearing a bite suit and nobody got. passed no the dog the dog's name is. Curly the dog the dog they use the dog. for the original one of the Hulk movies. the one with Eric Bana those were the. dogs they modeled it and when Nick Nolte. that's it right there. see the original dog though see if they. can find the original dog the original. dog is this just Google Regency Mastiff.

see if you can find that. yeah. see if there's any images. so those are the dogs in the Hulk but. the actual yeah that's what they looked. like they look like giant pit bulls yeah. they have the jaw that goes but they're. so sweet like really calm I actually had. one of their dogs I had a curly son. his name is Johnny Cash.

yeah he he lived a long time he lived. like 13 years which is really old for a. Mastiff for a Big Dog yeah but um yeah. so the the malmoise they were just a. little too light because like with the. bite suit on it hurts but it's 65 pounds. you can run with 65 pounds it's like a. suit of armor yeah for sure unless. there's two or three of them. um so how long what did Halle Berry have. to train for that move because she had. so many physical first of all she's. awesome she's so she's in that movie.

She's So believable yeah and she's so. like physically Adept like like I had no. idea she could move like that no I think. she and she came to she came I hadn't. even written the script yet you know I. just got a call from WME and my agent. saying hey uh would you like to meet. Halle Berry. yes yes of course yeah huge fan I think. she was down either that day or the next. day just banging on my door. right and I'm like okay open up and. she's like she walks in jeans and a.

t-shirt goes hi I'm Hallie it's like yes. I know who you are of course she's like. um I want to be in your movie wow it was. that she was that straightforward no. [ __ ] and other stuff I'm I'm going. to be in your movie and I'm like that's. I'm flattered thank you that's very cool. of you um we haven't even written it yet. yeah I know that's why I'm here now. you're gonna write it for me. yeah she was right on and I'm like okay. um cool let me give it a think we'll.

figure out something now I'm like oh I. gotta write something cool for Halle. Berry. um but it was like I think three or four. months later I was like okay you can. come back in now if you say that's. awesome it's great changes that this one. okay I see it more like this okay we're. gonna do this oh de Casablanca so I'm. gonna be like Rick I got it I'm gonna do. this. and she's like when do I start training. I'm like well you know technically we go. into she's like no just I'm gonna start. training today just tell me what to do. wow she was so on just on I was like. okay well first let's get you into shape. tell you trainer this is what we need to. do we need you to stretch we need you to. get all the all the conditioning stuff.

in so we can start taking you in and we. literally had to slow her down the first. week like you know if you haven't done. shoulder rolls if you haven't been. thrown before if you haven't done this. stuff. so she she just went crazy the first. like we couldn't kick her out of the gym. she's another Keanu you just couldn't. get right over here. she's like put her up at Terence and. like she just lived it just lived it up. there she'd go with Kiana she's like. whenever count goes I'm going so just. make make room for me after that movie. did she ever want to do it again yeah we.

were actually betting talks several. times to try and get. um I hate the term spin-off but they're. trying to do other satellite projects. off the wick franchise. um which it's very flattering uh. hopefully there'll be good ones I don't. believe John Wick is dead. is John dead or is John Wick dead we. don't know. we just don't know yeah but that's what. I'm saying yeah. because it was very ambiguous at the end. of the movie supposed to be yeah yeah. we'll see yeah we'll see how Keanu and.

the director feel in three four years. you gotta take him to that bar in Japan. exactly get him drunk we're going in. September so like you talk to me again. then it could be like John Wick five and. a half man I don't know you never know. but uh Hallie wants to do she's. definitely still game and like you know. when Hallie came I think too I think she. she had just turned 50 or 51. I don't. wanna see it but like she's an amazing. shape yeah amazing she like I can't even. tell you to see her in person she looks. 35. yeah it's insane like it's insane uh.

like glitter well she's so fit I mean. that's that's the the key. this is one of the first couple weeks. she ever did anything with us like she. hadn't been doing anything at this point. that's just so choreographed right oh. wow scissor takedowns yeah wow that's. awesome yeah and she trained Donna. Terence too I saw videos. she's like one of those um. you know she's like piano they think on. the deal like some people turn off to.

memorize the choreography they learn it. so much that they can throw it away it's. like learning your lines right they're. lines so so much they could just flow. they spend so much time doing that. because they know they want to add in. their little details and stuff they make. it theirs it's pretty impressive to. watch you almost feel lazy next to him. like God I need to work harder you know. but it it's cool when the crew sees it. you know everybody you can always tell. when you're on a good movie or if people. don't give a [ __ ] and then the crew kind. of doesn't give a [ __ ] but when you see. the cast it starts with Keanu guy never. leaves set then you get him and Halle.

and neither one want to leave set They. Don't Want To Miss A Beat They Don't. Want to Miss a chance and then you got. the rest of the cast and the rest of the. crew and the crew is like oh we gotta. it's just this constant inspiration. thing and it it's it's really it's. pretty fun it's pretty cool now there's. are you guys doing some sort of a. television show yes there's there's. coming out uh. it was on on uh was it I think it's on. Amazon now whatever uh called the. Continental it's kind of a spin-off that. was done. uh very separate from the world that.

we've created in the future world it's. something that the studio had done a. little. on the side of of us as we were going. just to see what they could do with this. Continental series it's kind of. interesting it it's out it's not out yet. I think it comes out this is the yeah. end of the summer I think. but there's not a no there's real no. tie-in to the the giant the John Wick. films but it does have a it has the. Continental in it it's like kind of like. Ian mcshane's backstory a little bit and.

how he got there um a little disjointed. from from the feature stuff but it's got. uh just another I don't know it's kind. of a cool world they built like that it. was very on the side of us and then. hopefully we'll be seeing another TV. show that's really about the John Wick. features the bar at the Continental the. secret assassins bar yeah the door at. the bar yeah I made a door like that. yeah you could open up the thing to see. who's coming through literally it's the. same door when people go what the [ __ ]. is this door for the Green Room of the. comedy club and they go that's the door.

from the Continental. ours opens like a hinge but yeah it's. the same same sort of it's pretty. awesome it's pretty dope we've inspired. the comedy Green Room yeah like where. people see they go what the [ __ ] is up. with this door like what do you expect. again no no no it's like this [ __ ]. real heavy steel door there's something. cool about that right oh it's real cool. until someone gets their fingers. yeah this is a secret world thing but it. is kind of like a secret world deal like. you have to punch the code in to get. into the door or you have a key fob you.

know that's kind of like subcultures. have always interested me there's always. sub Roser right yeah you know this the. subrosion world of the the inside. whether it's comedians or stunt guys or. cops or military there's always that in. that in Click and I think that's what. fascinates a lot of people a lot of. times because they want to be part of. that little we're originally going to. name um some people give me [ __ ] because. we called number three Parabellum and. then number four was like just done with. four Yeah we actually had a title for. John Wick 4 it was called haga Curry.

um Japanese word that Lily meant like. hidden leaves it was A Treatise on. samurai code of ethics and. it really spoke to it was kind of like. the art of the way of dying like how do. you prepare yourself for a good death. and a lot of it dealt with you can only. relate to people a warrior can only. relate to a warrior you know whether. you're on other sides or not a cop can. only relate to a cop and like you know. whatever a teacher can all relate to a. teacher that inside Subaru is a thing. that only each other knew each other. kind of thing we got it but we didn't. want to put a you know a title on it.

kind of lost it but I thought it was a. really cool thing about being sub Rose. or being in the inside clip or something. yeah maybe on the next one why'd you. decide just it was like you know it was. the the actual Treatise it was from like. 1646 or something like that. unfortunately it had been used. uh during World War II as a rallying cry. for a militaristic Japan to get behind. so in in some Asian markets it it could.

be considered to be a problem and we. didn't want to take a chance it was kind. of yeah. like okay I get it we don't we want to. be sensitive to that but we still. thought it was a cool name yeah. it's uh what a weird world it is to make. films and then have them be distributed. worldwide it's because you you know it's. like I'm sure you know you're always. gonna piss off somebody yeah you're. always going to get something or. somebody can be something so you just. again I I like doing the fantasy film.

kind of thing I like creating our own. worlds I like doing that because it's. ours and it's not taking aside it's not. really. uh I don't have to adhere to history I. don't have to adhere to an IP you can. kind of just do our thing and I think. that kind of Freedom helps a lot. you know I don't think people get. I know it's bent out of shape sometimes. on that because you're creating your own. world do you feel like. there's another there's room for another. thing like this in your life like is. this something you're gonna try to do. again like recreate an entire.

um ecosystem an entire world. that's a good question I and I will. again like we like we say it was. unintentional completely unintentional. almost a fluke we did one then we did we. didn't know I didn't know anything about. the Continentals worldwide or the. markers or anything until the second one. we made that up the third one we're like. oh let's call it the high table sure. someone will buy that sure and we just. keep you know kind of riffing on stuff. to do and just use your imagination but. it works it does and I I think again and.

it works at a teacher Continental too. that it's International like when he. goes to Italy and he goes and gets. suited right with that that was probably. one of my favorite things I love the. suit I love you know that actor whoever. that actor was that is explaining to him. the guns and oh uh what is it Peter uh. sironovitz yeah yeah he was in a couple. he was in um. the suits and the guns like this whole. scene that guy right there the the ball. guy right there yeah that's Luca Moscow.

that's actually my wardrobe supervisor I. couldn't cast somebody in time so I made. him do it and then Peter svanovitz this. guy he's so [ __ ] funny yeah you just. buy him as a complete psycho that's he. he literally flew in on the day learned. the Lions did the gig and flew out. really yeah he was awesome wow he's. incredible I what was that movie Spy. with Statham oh yeah he's Italian he. played the Italian spot he was so funny. so the guy that's doing the Wardrobe was. your actual wardrobe yeah I couldn't I. couldn't I kept telling like people. would come in and start reading I'm like.

just be like my guy here be like and we. couldn't find anybody to be Luca here. and Luca was so said I'm like ah [ __ ] it. look I put on you're doing it dude. you're doing it and he never acted never. acted before he's like crazy he's. fantastic he's great I got that like. salmon number four like uh the the the. actress that plays uh Akira that's Rina. samayama she's a pop star from England. but she had never acted before either. wow I just saw in her YouTube videos I. was like she's got to be able to act. like she's got so much presence and we.

just picked her up too sometimes you get. really lucky and cool like that you know. was there ever a time while you were. doing four where you're like this is. just two over the top oh yeah like every. [ __ ] day like like the shotguns that. spin fire we're like. and you just gotta like you know you're. knee-deep in it and you do have those. moments of like you're like yeah let's. go okay get the gun and you kind of like. you have those Quiet Moments you're like. oh way too far. like you watch the Monitor and like you. know you can feel everybody behind you.

and you can you can kind of get that. vibe that you know most of your Q thinks. you're crazy and you're like yeah yeah. let's spin the car one more time around. it's just so over the top and there's so. much it's so like I guess you kind of. have to one-up the movies before but you. just like one up the one up the one up. you just kept going I think if you. because you I guess I didn't want it to. make it feel like it was a mistake or we. were just trying to do the one-up thing. like now we're all in we're going all.

out you know I can't have those talks. he's like did you jump the shark. I'm like yeah let's jump Too Short let's. just go we'll just keep going because. why fall down you know we're. a lot of my influencers are often Buster. Keaton or Harold Lloyd a lot of silent. movie stuff and Buster made oh that you. go back and watch the movies now and go. back like the the documentary on Buster. Keaton or Harold Lloyd go back how did. Buster Keaton do all that stuff yeah. we've watched some of those clips and. it's like how are you doing because. there's no special effects like that I I.

have been a part of so many great stun. teams and work with so many great stunt. riggers and visual effects people. there are still gags that he is back. then that we're all kind of like yeah. it's a bit sketch man I like how. I don't think you do a lot of what he'd. do even do nowadays because like look. this is stuff I mean they're they're. cranking the footage a little bit but. like that's him falling off a motorcycle. yeah like you still don't think these. are all great gags and like if you miss. there's a penalty well how about the one. when he grabs hold the back of a train. and he gets pulled the trolley like look.

at this right here this is like yeah. this is going probably a little bit. slower yeah but you know what happens if. you miss you're dead yeah there's no out. yeah and when he's got like watch this. watch the [ __ ] he's doing here. this is early wire work that you can't. even tell. that's wild. but like every time he falls and does. this stuff those are real fault like. yeah he's buried a mat in the in the. like look at that dirt there but he's. still taking the hit yeah it's a big hit. too I mean that's a lot let me look at.

this like I mean he's like watch this. watch this [ __ ] he's gonna grab the. dummy as it comes over the waterfall. like he's still got to do it. yeah it's insane you know like we'd be. doing it with green screen double. safeties we'd have wires on them we'd. have a backup in there the stunt guy. would do it a couple times and like you. know that's not Tech 12 rope that's a. woman that's not even a dummy no no yeah. he's just throwing it right to the left. yeah he just throws her to the ledge. there's so many of these like look at. that I mean the penalty for that miss is. you're dead yeah I mean that's not.

that's not Breakaway Balsa would no. I mean that's probably one of his most. famous gags that Jackie's repeated and a. few other things but that's you know so. like like you want I love this. like you know this is early trick. cutting and stitching yeah. you know but there's gags he he does and. we're still like whoa how is he not like. completely broken I by the time he was. done filming. I mean the the one when he grabs the. train and you see him go sideways like.

he's holding on to the train and it's. yeah I think I think he yeah I think. it's this one right here yeah this hair. like watch this. he flagpoles it how the [ __ ] like you. know your deltoids got to be right yeah. how about your grip I mean I just. this is one yeah watch this thing. like how how does he do this like this. that's why he's got a wire coming out of. his his uh his belt you can see it right. there he's probably got an arbor up top.

there. but like you know this is the one where. he I think he uh they said he broke his. neck on this one. really yeah he got injured on this one. back then when you broke your neck oh. yeah you wasn't a lot of help yeah you. weren't exactly I don't know what the. [ __ ] the doctors did for you but like. this year. like oh boom that's something railroad. track yeah there's no pads down there oh. look and he got up look at this guy I. mean what the [ __ ] that guy and how many.

movies did he do like that oh my God he. had a ton he had over like 100. Productions by the time he was done you. know and hair Lloyd was no slump either. Charlie Chaplin one of those guys but. the point is to fall all of them there's. no there's no trickery to it they just. you know they gave you the setup but. like that's pretty over the top too so. we're like okay so when we send that guy. down the stairs and number four we're. like yeah that piano stunt double on. this guy Vincent from France amazing. like just muscles where you shouldn't. have muscles and you know we we scouted. sacrakura and was like you know there's.

over 400 steps and the portion we're. using is like 222 we're like. yeah we got to send somebody down this. Jesus yeah I'm gonna make piano clean up. then we'll send them down and then you. know what we'll send them down again. so we had Vincent come out and look at. it. and Vincent's English is limited you. know he's just you know very French and. he looked down and said Vincent you cool. like you know one take you're gonna he's. like we just lit up a cigarette and said. sure when we go really he did it the. first take he went down only about 10. steps and got stuck in the railing. second take is the take that's in the.

movie where it just went all the way. down like 200 steps yeah I mean this is. crazy. that this guy did this what kind of. padding is he wearing he's just wearing. like uh you know the regular Kevlar. padding the stunt guys Houston [ __ ]. air too uh Vincent's not shy oh Jesus. Christ yeah he's great. I can't I'm doing the overlap it's. awesome yeah we have a stair fetish too. yeah I love throwing guys it's car hits. and stairs it's funny you get Tom Cruise. hanging off the airplane I think it's. awesome yeah right I think it's amazing. it's also I know what it takes to do.

that but a lot of people can't relate to. just you know hang off they've never. done it but everybody's falling on Ice. everyone's falling down stairs yeah. everyone gets the car thing so we. focused a lot on body falls and you know. falling down stairs [ __ ] that makes. people go oh that that could really hurt. yeah especially being hit by a car. you know I love car hits love watching. that yeah he gets hit by a bunch of cars. when you see the stun guys actually get. hit by The Cars right in two like in the. scene when he's retrieving his car and. you know he whaps this one guy efka he.

whaps him with the reverse 180. he. really sent him it was a good hit really. I was like 20 feet away Washington going. oh that was a great hit how did you do. when he hits the pole we had a little. bit of a wire on him so the car hits him. sends them the wire doesn't really pull. him but when he hits the pole High the. wire helps the landing so we decelerate. him a little bit a little bit a little. bit it's still he's actually hitting the. pole yeah it still sucks oh Jesus Christ. but like the the downside just in case. he gets knocked out we don't want to.

land on his head. foreign. I mean how the [ __ ]. yeah it's fun. again we we're super fortunate we get. some of the best stunt guys and we most. movies prep for like six to ten weeks. we'll prep for five months with our four. stunt teams so the guys are really. trying to design stuff and other than. some you know uh bumps and bruises no. one's ever been really been tweaked. that's amazing so that's again.

um just having the right people. yeah well I guess that that helps that. you have this long background of stunt. work I think it helps knowing one who to. call and I think you get that sense of. how far you can push and again I'm I'm. not against CGI I'm not against digital. Health we do so many digital stitches. and hide things like I think it's all. great it's just what gives you that that. energy or what that that feeling of. what's going on if if I could do it all. digitally get the feeling and not hurt. anybody yes that's an option but there's.

something to steal real world physical. effects that make you yeah you know. still crunch yeah there's something. about CGI um and that's the big I had. Rick Baker on and uh we were talking. about monster movies where they use CGI. versus monster movies where they use. like his type of special effects well. the thing is still one of the best yeah. you watch the thing or American I know. American we're off in London my favorite. all-time films it's one of the greatest. movies ever ever and it hits you in all. the right ways yeah it's so subtle it's.

almost like an old Hammer film with. Christopher Plummer Christopher Lee okay. watch it's got that weird kind of in the. Moors you know old school fog machines. when they're in the thing well John. Landis is a good job with that movie too. because he made it funny well that's. thing look at the tone of that movie. yeah it's so different it's it's not. quite action it's not quite thrill it's. not quite horror but it's that little. Nexus of that weird almost cheesy but he. rides the line but then it's still. [ __ ] scary yeah and it's got the best. transition into a werewolf oh yeah and I. mean what would you call them werewolf.

Nazis yeah those monster Nazis yeah so. good it's such a good movie. um but I I would agree man there's. something about you know I put the KY. Jelly on on the on the creature suit and. it comes out there's something about. that but I think the wheelie way to do. if you could blend it. you know if you can blend that great. prosthetic effect with the CG motion and. somehow really put those two together. just most people nowadays they choose. like half of what we're doing are Blends. like it's a practical stunt done in a.

digital composition like I'm layering. and things like the the the shotgun. stuff the guys are on fire but I'm. putting the shotgun stuff and they're. all different layers that I've stitched. together and all the guys are doing it. so I don't have to worry about you know. putting guys out because they're still. on fire so we're doing like a Texas. switch we see one sunk on fire run in. and another stunt guy he goes out he. gets put out and the other guy comes in. so what was the inspiration for this. what was this shotgun supposed to be. loaded with it like it's actually it's. actually called Dragon's Breath it's. real it's real dragon's breath.

yeah. there's there's this great YouTube video. with this Russian guy if you type in. dragon's breath he's got a red white and. blue shotgun he's this crazy Russian guy. that does it and it's [ __ ] that guy. second one down that's the first video I. saw of it with this crazy Russian guy. he shoots like a spear gun out of his 12. gauge he does all this stuff he's doing. all these wacky rounds like you know. these little needles that come out and. then the spear and then he does dragon's.

breath oh wow and so so it really does. like people yeah they're looking crazy. they're the they're like the big balls. right they're covered in phosphorus and. they hit the air they ignite so they're. putting holes in you and they're. lighting you on fire at the same time um. where do I buy them. eggs see I saw that like early in prep I. was just [ __ ] bored out of my mouth. surfing through the internet I was going. like I was looking at like we already. did the Benelli thing you know we did. the caddy you know his quad loading I'm. like I don't know if I want to do. shotguns again but I'm like look it's.

the third act I gotta go ramp somewhere. I have the Arctic Triumph sequence in my. head I know I'm gonna do the stairs uh. you know I'm like and then Taryn. introduced me to the Genesis shotgun. automatic shotgun that thing is insane. it's crazy crazy isn't it like 12 rounds. how many rounds I think it's more than. 12. is it 20. it might it might it's a. giant banana clip yeah I thought it was. almost like 14 or 15. it's something. like that right but like and it's it's. boom it's like very on an AR platform. but it's a shotgun so he had already. introduced me to that and that was out.

in Berlin going I don't you know how am. I gonna because it to to regular people. it looks the same it's not a stylistic. change it looks like again like a an AR. or a 308 or something right so it wasn't. going to be a shocking change if he. grabbed it from the guy so I'm like yeah. I'm gonna do this and then I saw that. video I'm like oh. that's it yeah I'm like oh but then I. couldn't figure out like because it's. just that Starburst and like like you're. like no one they're gonna call [ __ ]. on me right that doesn't exist so I.

thought in the Montage I'll have these. guys pull out the dragons with and then. I saw this. you know I have this huge video game uh. like uh cinematic trailer collection and. I was just scrolling through it in this. game something I had I'd saw like years. ago was called Hong Kong Massacre you. have Hong Kong Massacre trailer and I. was like what was cool about it was from. the top like we used top shots a lot in. film in action but it always looks. because like if I did Top Shot in here. she's looking at the carpet and be the. top of our heads doing fight stuff right. so it's okay but like I want a way to.

make it color and Poppy so I saw this. and the blood on the white floors and. the paper and all this what the [ __ ] is. this right but this is some wacky I had. never heard of but I saw the trail and I. was like it's [ __ ] cool this is a. video game yeah oh my God. well we're getting so close with AI and. CGI and the the ability to recreate. scenes that aren't real right like you. know. are you worried that there's going to. come a time where you're not going to. need to film movies anymore I. I don't.

yeah that well you know that's part of. the thing with the writer strike right. now a part of part of the negotiations. is AI and they're trying to and how do. you prepare for well that's emerging. technology that's going to replace. that's what's interesting like you know. people think that you know the writer. strike is about something but that and. it there's pay raises there's there's a. lot of issues to what the WG is doing. right now. um but I think the the writers are. addressing something that people dismiss. too easily which is the AI influence. like somebody's got to be the first one. to bring this up like it you know you'll.

have some people might might critique. going why are we talking about AI like. they're not going to write but yeah they. it it can I think the writers are doing. the absolute right thing right now by. bringing this up by introducing this. because it it's at that point where. um AI is doing the art already you know. you can pipe in right yeah you're. freaking out yeah and they should I mean. we we've seen what it can do it's. impressive but you do have to feed it. from somewhere it's not quite gonna take. over the world yet well there's this. artist her name is uh Molly Crabapple.

and she she's been speaking out about. this and it's she's got a very good. point it's they're not really making. these they're kind of stealing them from. online that's what's happening that's. what the writers are about because the. scripts have to come from somewhere. right you have to input something well. at least with writing you're kind of. inputting from language human language. that has existed forever but with. illustrations they're taking. illustrations like uh you you aware of. the um the artist Alex Gray Alex Gray is.

a famous Visionary artist. there's a lot of these wild psychedelic. stuff you can ask AI to make like pull. up the ones that I have on my Instagram. um there's they they did these images in. the style of Alex Gray and they're as. good as Alex Gray stuff I mean it but. it's stealing but they had it from his. style yeah it's his style he created. this stuff like all that right like that.

is all AI generated and it's [ __ ]. fantastic and it's some people like I. don't like it well I do yeah I like it. because I like to look at it but I would. rather it be something that Alex Gray. actually made but if you look at that. that art is incredible I mean it's. undeniably incredible and it's all. psychedelic inspired and like look at. that I mean come on that's a I made that. yeah I mean what the [ __ ] man yeah I. don't that's a piano's really big on. that too like we're all worried about. not we're I guess we're concerned about.

what. what the not just the lysing I I'm not. worried about being out of a job yet I. don't think. um I think we're still ways off from. that as far as live action film goes as. far as animes. or video game cinematics and stuff I. think that's that's on the horizon yes I. really think that's coming if you're. doing trailers if you're doing short. films especially with computer generated. animation yeah I think that's a. legitimate concern as far as the overall. creative I I don't I agree with you I.

think it's a concerning thing but like. where how do you control technology. don't do it so it's just going to get. better I think. unfortunately what what my thought is. that one day it's going to get to the. point where people have to cherish. things that are actually made by humans. yeah like there's tables made by a. person handmade yeah. and it's not going to be everybody that. cares there's going to be some people. that I don't give a [ __ ] okay I made. tables yeah maybe they want look I want. to I want a human Written song I want. human composed music yeah you know um.

but I think the licensing part of it is. like until I mean as far as I know they. still have to input like you're saying. James or John Gray they have to like him. they don't have a word for it so they. have to import and literally steal his. disaster yeah it's like you have to. steal his images and then use AI to make. something in the style of him but as far. as like illustrators for like the cover. of books and things along those lines I. think that's very viable yeah I mean. they're [ __ ] performance still I think.

is because even now with what they can. do with Avatar they still need. performers to go and give you that. little twist yeah I mean I think we you. know directors came in and kind of. create you know like the animations like. we you're still using a model that. you've seen in your head to try and get. that computer generated character but I. think the Real Genius of of film. sometimes is the unknown right the happy. accident is worse than Wells would say. you you'll get Keanu or Brad Pitt or. you'll get these wonderful actors up. there and you'll get like I just watched. Heat last night oh amazing like you.

can't tell me. man had all that like those are just. great people on screen and they're just. you can't yeah but you know it's a great. ass like you know that wasn't scripted. that's outcome like yeah there's still. those moments that I think how about Al. Pacino having a kid at 82. very [ __ ]. psycho or stud I guess but I mean yeah. where is he going to be when that kid's. 20 or five yeah you know or five yeah. right right because like uh but like. that's that's crazy right it's great.

that's pretty crazy yeah that's crazy. he's 82 years old yeah he's still. shooting live rounds. what the [ __ ] oh it's a great cover. story I don't think it is yeah but. that's that's impressive I mean maybe he. needs to get a DNA test done I bet he. did demand one did he demand one oh boy. that's a tense moment I thought he could. no longer have children that's it oh boy. it turns out he is the father that's a. tense moment that's an uncomfortable. comment I thought I couldn't have kids.

right. but he had to I mean to say I don't. trust you I want a DNA test on that that. flavor is the entire recipe yeah yeah. it's not gonna go well after that yeah I. mean it's always going to be the mommy. daddy talk he might not make it to the. kid being five because of her. she might have a heavy pillow for him I. have another cup of tea darling yeah. yeah. whoops what is that a banana by the. stairs yeah yeah. it's uh that's a tense moment you're.

asking someone to take a DNA test and. then you say I'm sorry that's not not. enough trust out there anymore sure well. that's probably going to be remedy too I. think mind reading is around the corner. I think I think is that where we're. headed no I think we're about a decade. away from no secrets. none zero people being able to read. people's thoughts really yeah I don't. think I think the application of it will. probably they'll start probably doing.

neuralink and similar Technologies. they'll start doing human trials. probably within I think if they start. doing it already but I mean in terms of. like the ability. yeah they're approved for human trials. yeah what kind of psycho do you have to. be to be one of the early adopters like. yeah go ahead kind of a quarter size. hole in my [ __ ] skull. I really want that cigarette or that. bowl of soup yeah whatever was all that. crazy stuff in the 70s when MK Ultra and. all that they were always they're. already trying to do all this [ __ ] oh.

they were doing some wild [ __ ] in in the. 70s in the 60s yeah that's uh with the. book chaos by Tom O'Neill I talk about. it too much and I'm sorry for everybody. listening but I'd love to have read it. no I haven't you haven't read it it's. about Manson it's about Manson the CIA. yeah MK Ultra that's exciting sorry. Jolly West he was also responsible for. making Jack Ruby go crazy he visited. Jack Ruby in jail and after he shot Lee. Harvey Oswald and then Jack Ruby was. like saying they're burning the Jews. he's like hiding under his bunk. screaming like I mean hell like it was.

they [ __ ] dosed him with acid then. they dosed Manson with acid and I think. they taught Manson I mean according to. Tom O'Neill's research which I trust and. it's an amazing book Tom O'Neill. was a guy who was a neighbor from my. friend uh Greg Fitzsimmons and he was. like hey what are you working on he's. like I'm writing this article about. Charles Manson and the the anniversary. of the Manson family murders he starts. writing it 20 years ago and he starts.

doing research and he can't get the. article out it's just too much research. he's doing too much and it extends. [ __ ] forever he keeps having to give. money back and like the Publishers are. freaking out at him and then finally. they got him someone to help him and an. Editor to sit down with him and he puts. out this masterpiece and this book is. called chaos and it's the definitive. book on Charles Manson the Manson family. and their ties to the CIA and it's. [ __ ] crazy it's crazy they did it to.

discredit the hippie movement right they. they had this guy and these flower. children they had them go out and. [ __ ] murder people and they talked. him into doing it with acid and they. trained them how to do it through the. techniques that he learned through MK. Ultra. yeah it's like it's pretty pretty. definitive I mean if you when you read. it you're you know you know it doesn't. leave a lot to imagination. yeah it's like pretty much that's what. they did and you know they were involved. in all kinds of [ __ ] with that back then.

you know they that's the Stanford Prison. experiments that's the uh Harvard LSD. studies the Harvard LSD studies when. they did that you know who was in that. the [ __ ] Unabomber the Unabomber yeah. Ted Kaczynski he was a part of the. Harvard LSD studies he was already. [ __ ] up like his brother said he was. already [ __ ] up because when he was. young there's a great documentary on him. that's on Netflix it's really good right. and in it they talk about how he was Ill. when he was a child when he was a baby. and they put him in like this um.

I guess some sort of a hospital and in. this hospital they didn't pick him up. they didn't take it they just let him. cry in a crib for like weeks and months. and like he had no human touch. yeah so he became like this guy [ __ ]. psychopath and then on top of that they. put him in the Harvard LSD studies so. then they don't and then he writes the. manifesto and then starts [ __ ]. killing people because he thinks rightly. so the technology is going to replace.

human beings which I think is he. probably as crazy as he was he probably. saw something I mean if you extrapolate. what's happening now with technology. and you take it to to its logical end. like what's the Event Horizon of. Technology well it's an artificial life. form. it's probably it's probably not just AI. it's probably life itself it's not the. artificial intelligence that exists in a. computer it's probably a new form of. life and I think that's probably what.

human beings give birth to I think. that's what we're doing that's why we're. obsessed with technology and Innovation. I think it's a part of the process that. leads intelligent life forms to create. intelligent life yeah which is evolution. and that intelligent life creates vastly. Superior intelligent life because it. just knows how to do it better and it. probably doesn't like almost instantly. it's like oh you guys [ __ ] up. everything exactly it looks back and. goes okay we don't need you anymore yeah. well not only that just all it would. have to do is just make all you have to.

do to get rid of people. it's people like oh they're gonna wipe. us out all they have to do is give us. free electricity. free food free internet and an app that. makes you come and that would be it. that's it that would be all right we all. just stay in our homes yeah no one would. go anywhere Let It Fade Out if you can. come 300 times a day good luck having a. family yeah good luck having. relationships good luck even forming. them dating these these experiences. through an app or through uh artificial.

intelligence some something that's. attached to your brain that's infinitely. Superior I mean look how addicted people. are to just looking at Tick Tock just. looking at people do dances and get hit. by cars it's really crazy it's insane. and it's so addictive and it's very. minor in the reward that it gives you it. gives you this very minor dopamine Rush. right but if it gives you transcendental. experiences like unbelievable. experiences surreal to the point that. they feel real well that's the worry. about the simulation right that like.

there's a lot of people Elon included. that believe that it's more likely that. we are in a simulation than not. and that's like. I had a long conversation with this guy. about probability Theory and simulations. and according to probability Theory we. are in a simulation but it's like huh. how do you what does that mean like what. are you saying like well if there is a. simulation if it's possible if there is. infinite galaxies out there which we're. pretty sure there are and there's.

infinite numbers of life forms that are. where we are and Superior and then. Superior to that and then like every. variation in between it's inevitable. that someone is going to come up with. something that's indistinguishable from. reality right or Superior to it and. maybe we're in that right now. and if we are in that right now you know. it's how did you know yeah would you. know I mean maybe that is what life is. maybe that that is yeah maybe that's.

exactly how it works out. self-evolving yeah this is auto. correcting yeah and we think of it as. like oh my God it's not even life but. maybe that is that is what the universe. creates The Matrix did hit on a few. things like that which makes it a little. bit there's a whole thing I remember. after that came out was 98.99 everyone. was really thinking like that you're. like how would you know right and they. had they had that great little scene at. the end was like you know the first one. failed because it was too perfect yeah. you [ __ ] humans needed failure you. needed pain you needed misery to make it.

work and that kind of auto corrects back. to you yeah like At first you'd go like. well we can't be installation because my. life wouldn't suck so bad and you're. like well actually. you know yeah maybe it would maybe it. would suck well maybe that's also what. motivates people to continue to buy. things and innovate I was going to say. without that I want more right how do. you keep the machine going how do you. keep the gerbil on the wheel and it's. kind of like people inherently know it. which is why people are oh I just want. to come and buy the by the lake yeah but.

they want to go buy a new tent and they. want to buy a canteen and they want they. keep one they want everybody wants their. kit man everybody loves kit yeah they. never stop it never stops it's a desire. that human beings have the no other. animal has which is weird now too. because it's not only just going out and. going camping they want to go out and. camping so they can share experience. with someone else right at times like. I'm still a little old school so I don't. really do the social media thing or. anything but like you don't do it at all. I we have uh Instagram for the company. that's that's good you know but you. personally don't know good for you I'm. so happy when I meet people that are. just I I wouldn't know how good for you.

I'm gonna say ignorant tick tocks where. I draw the line. out of here what's up plus it's Chinese. spyware. exactly right it's another way into the. phone as opposed to what though like. it's the same thing it's just okay a. different country who do you want who do. you want who do you want listening well. that's this is interesting like that car. that I showed you that um the uh the. Steve McQueen uh bullet. I was Googling that and then all of a. sudden it shows up on Instagram it shows.

up a bunch of them show up on Instagram. I'm like what the [ __ ] is this you know. many times yeah of course how was that. on my Instagram I didn't look for it on. Instagram no they just cross references. somebody's sharing somehow or another. it's getting in there is this what you. want that's what I I literally have a. separate computer at work completely. dialed in like almost Eric claped off me. because the [ __ ] I look up is pretty. sketchy it's pretty sketchy yeah that's. probably smart you know yeah and then uh. I don't know it's weird people do. experiences just to share them instead.

of experience them that's always been. weird that is weird like when people go. camping just to let people know they're. camping like look if you love camping. right on because like you know I don't. need to video videotape myself rolling. to know I love Jiu Jitsu you know like I. I you know but people do love to do that. do it look at me like okay that's a bit. there's also value in it for some people. that do it that are in that world like. competitors you know absolutely no. marketing is one thing yeah but what are. you doing as a social structure I think. that can be damaging because you're not.

giving 100 you're not focusing I think. that's a really a lot of the like it's a. blurry line though it is right because. it's weird I get a lot of our stunt. teams our younger obviously they're. younger I call them kids but they're in. their 20s going to 30 I mean freak. athletes fantastic but that generation. is completely woven into that like but. again we're in the entertainment. industry so they're trying to get. themselves out there because that's not. how you get jobs yeah like my day you. had to go knock on doors now it's like. put yourself out on Instagram doing a. cool trick and now you get the next gig. so you know I could be the old Krusty.

guy going oh you guys with your. Instagram but to them it is part it is a. weird line because it is how they get. work it's how they get themselves out. there self-branding is a part of our. world now yeah you know but it is it's. weird where people just want to take. pictures just for the ground yeah that's. all they want like experience it and. take pictures yeah but don't do it to. take I met this guy at the gas station. today and he has to take a picture I go. sure and he goes don't worry I won't. post it I'm.

yeah it was nice it's weird that you. have to say that but yeah. but he's I think he's a pretty old. school guy yeah but the fact that he. said that don't worry I won't post it. well that's good it wasn't for him to. get recognition it was funny because. he's actually a fan and he just wanted. to show his you know well he wanted to. do it for his wife because he said his. wife calls me uh his boyfriend or. something like that. that he's a fanboy all right good okay A. little deep with the story there let me. just some [ __ ] you know oh you got a. man crush on Joe Rogan so he took a.

picture but he's like don't worry I. won't post it that's interesting I. thought it was interesting at the time I. was like I don't care it's okay but it. was it was interesting that he like it. was aware of that like no but that's I. think that's a good thing yeah that's a. good man yeah but it's that the thing is. like does it exist you know if a tree. falls in the forest on Instagram it. doesn't exist yeah it is a I mean it's. an inevitable inevitability you know and. my kids are like firmly entrenched you.

know born with cell phone in here yeah. you know that's it what's shocking to me. is how well they are at navigating. things how have you seen like you know I. have a uh 10. flying through that iPad I can't I'm. still looking for my email all right. they know how to edit [ __ ] my daughter. figured out when she first got a phone. that if she screen records because my. wife gave her a time limit on it but it. was a password time limit thing so she. would have to give it to my wife to get.

extra screen time so she set screen. record so she knew when so she just. rewounded it and like she's doing the. bank nine whatever the [ __ ] the number. is she literally did the bank heist am I. recorded first of all I want to give her. a Knuckles eight plus for figuring that. one that's pretty dope I like how you. did that's that's a clever look. craftiness is a big skill yeah well it's. like they're they're like little. prisoners you know prisoners figure out. all kinds of stuff to do because that is. necessity they figure out a way to make.

things and manufacture their own stuff. isn't that a trip I was you know people. always come up and ask like okay hey I. want to get into directing how do I get. into directing I'm like okay what have. you directed like what do you mean well. you have an iPhone right I mean do you. see what these things can do like yeah. you know we had the big mirror the big. VHS cameras two VCRs that's right like. with an iPhone like so let me get this. straight you can edit shoot color. correct sound correct sound effect. visual effect like you did all you could. I you did it on the phone and I've like.

again my 10 year old like niece and. nephew can fly yeah they're so good like. you can do effects you can do slow. motion I've seen stuff that like I you. know wire removal you can do full-on. composition oh yeah like it's. unbelievable it's unbelievable and. they're just they're free apps what's. all the photo ones you can get different. heads on people yeah you can start deep. faking people literally on your iPhone. right now that's another thing that's. [ __ ] people up is these filters where. girls see these girls that have this.

perfect face and perfect and they don't. realize yeah that it's a filter it's. Photoshop yeah Photoshop basically. looking animation yeah it's a version of. Animation applied to an actual human. being isn't that creepy though but. everybody thinks that's what you have to. be yeah it's we you know there there's a. lot of VFX companies nowadays that are. slowly cosmetic work. you know not just to you know fix scars. or inconsistent like FlyAway hairs and. stuff but you can do the the level of. what's possible cosmetically. in in digital work right now is pretty.

fascinating one of my wife's friends was. a model and they would take photos of. her with no makeup on it was all no. makeup and they put it all on afterwards. that's insane like she's basically a. canvas. see that's true now you go to Ai and you. go to like because I know count a lot of. actors have deals you cannot digitally. alter their image in any way. um piano tells a story when we were. talking about AI a while ago was like. you know he had done a certain. performance and they had added a digital. tier. it seems so subtle and so trivial but it.

did change the performance you know what. I mean so you've come in you've. committed to a performance and someone's. changed it yeah without your knowledge. like that's granted that's that's beyond. editing because we can choose different. takes but still it was augmented a. performance that was never given right. you know that's just the tip of what you. could do now what if you started. digitally enhancing Smiles or frowns or. you gave it on like it's not just a look. it's not cosmetic it's performance yeah. you can alter so much about a person's. facial features and in a film well what. just I mean God am I doing this you know.

we do face Replacements all the time you. know not on piano but on some of the. other casts or when we're doing a. dangerous stunt or we have like a helmet. on a guy We'll erase it and put a a. non-descript person's face or head on it. it's [ __ ] cake it's really easy. which is scary yeah you're laughing. about it when you're in the theater and. you're editing but you're like but. that's what my thought is that in the. future will you even have to make that. scene can it all be done with AI because. I think right now there's that uncanny. valley right we see AI scenes you know.

like oh that's not real yeah you know. like in Game of Thrones like when they. have the direwolves walking around. you're like that's not a real wolf right. but how far away are we from totally. being I think you could do it now it's. time and money if you watch if you gave. a digital artist enough time with just. the technology we have today. you could do a digital character and. work with the I mean just it's time but. we can do that like we can make it look. photo real it's just it's the it's the. organicness right it's that heaviness. when you step or it's the incons it's.

almost too perfect it's the. inconsistencies yeah it's the [ __ ] up. hair it's the you know the little like. you know gesture that you can't figure. out yeah yeah or the Steve Buscemi yeah. exactly the the unpredictability the. nuttiness that you can't quite get but. that's just a matter of time that's just. time yeah but the technology is there if. they're just gonna take all the weird. characters that have ever existed and. come up with one well then you get an. algorithm to pull in the aggregate now. the whole the [ __ ] up weirdness out. there and how do you spit that back out.

right it's basically a version of these. Alex Gray paintings they're just going. to take all the weird guys that are yeah. no I don't I don't I don't doubt it. directors you know I mean that's why a. lot of directors get into animation. there's very other other than you know. taking references and stuff but like no. one's calling I mean those those. animators they're drawing their. characters from somewhere yeah whether. it's a person they see in the street or. it's a Tekken video or it's you know a. Taekwondo match they're taking that. action from somewhere and then they're. embellishing upon it so like you know no. one's calling them out on where they're.

drawing it yeah it's just such a strange. world that we live in now especially I'm. 55 I don't know 54. yeah so we're. essentially we grew up in the age where. we were there when the answering machine. came about we were there when we had. Pages yeah we had Pages we were there. when the VHS came about like those were. to go from that to where we are today. yeah it's [ __ ] insane and to try to. figure out what's next like where the. future is right I mean it's like what.

the [ __ ] that was just in the last God. what 20 30 years and then Apple released. that thing today did they release it do. we know what it is I'm like I'm looking. it's uh it's gonna cost it's gonna be. expensive it's not gonna come out till. next year but it's got a headset now. let's try to find a picture it's they. just released some new Apple AR headset. that's supposed to be a real game. changer really yeah it's gonna be. augmented reality and virtual reality. yeah.

um it's got see-through though so like. there's a picture I've seen I'll note. this one will show it you can see see. their eyes through it oh wow what does. it do does it layer in reality yeah okay. so it's augmented right and that might. be able to shut off and you can do some. VR stuff I haven't seen them like we're. doing the show this might be the step. this is this with touch uh no. controllers so it's all with your hands. right that's what I'm saying but you can. project the Hologram and then you so. Minority Report style yeah minority. reporting moving stuff around yeah.

underrated film yeah very underrated. film yeah here's everything this is it. so you get so was that a screen so. you're watching they do have a. controller there but maybe you don't. need it so if they're playing video game. there I think oh so you play the video. game right in front of your face oh and. still see the world around you oh wow no. screen. so there's no screens you're watching a. movie but but that could just be a. screen I won't I don't want that what I. want is full immersion what I you know. like that's that's what I'm interested. in when it comes to like video games and.

films like full immersion I have to do. but we'll find out you're talking you. don't want to succeed the world yeah you. wrapped it yeah I think that's it's. going to get real well that that. basically what you're talking about. earlier when you're talking about like. the Wally thing you get a bunch of. people sit in chairs now you're watching. you got your family on couch instead of. watching a TV together. and you have five individuals in their. own world that's very bizarre yeah yeah. you're all watching a show together but. then your kid sneaks in porn yeah and. you guys other shows you're like how's. that going man it's great dad it's great.

that does it does end up doing what you. were asking for so here's just a little. video that showed at the event so here's. some the guys like looking at different. screens that would be on this phone or. computer and this thing then expands out. here in a second he probably has a. button oh one the next one then shows it. taken over your whole room whoa. he's floating in space watching you're. not going to get anybody to leave the. house in 20 years. it's going to be very strange I know. very strange. remember when you had to go to a bar. yeah remember those days you just told.

your friend meet me somewhere because. you guys are still oh yeah you had to. meet him you you couldn't call him yeah. I remember those days when I used to go. to the pool hall the the most valuable. thing was the pay phone because people. would call the paper how many quarters. did you used to walk around we'd have. our pager and stunts you'd have about 10. minutes to get back to the answering. service if you're available or not so. you had to pull off the 405 find a pay. phone and put those quarters in you. always had that roll of quarters I. remember the phone cards too remember. phone cards you had to slide them and. sometimes they work sometimes yeah.

strange strange world we live in now. yeah I mean who would have ever thought. that everyone would have a phone on them. everywhere you go no even kids and none. of that you don't need the computer. after a while yeah computer is kind of. an afterthought now it's just so you can. see something but you can do it all on. your phone yeah I used to always travel. with a laptop like if I was going on the. road I always and now all my notes are. on my phone on my phone or I at most. I'll take an iPad yeah it tops and it's. just a read-on I know I can see it's. strange such a strange like on set like.

you you either be people like you know. you just give people just throw their. phone they're just fine everything's. happening and you're moving yeah I don't. know how I should do it now to be that. efficient well it definitely makes you. more productive and more efficient you. can get a lot done yeah you know with. the right motivation like you said with. the right people it's it's a it's a tool. the wrong people it becomes a. distraction yeah but it's just most. people do not have the kind of. discipline that's required to like to. manage the technology we have yeah and I. get it and as it comes it gets stronger.

like you know maybe you have the. discipline to avoid coffee do you have. the discipline to avoid meth yeah. exactly you know your your iPhone is. [ __ ] it's brain right and it's also. like if you're doing meth you know. you're [ __ ] up right but what if your. doctor gives you the math you know it's. great like we're doing now like we say. something he pulls it up it's good for. research it's good for someone like that. but like it also can be that like don't. you want to think about it a little bit. like it doesn't always have to be a. reference it doesn't always have to be. what's on YouTube right YouTube has.

become the new encyclopedia Botanica you. know and you take it as real which is. the scarier part oh that's the scary. part you know what I mean it's on. YouTube if you have gullible friends and. they send you things you're like hey man. that's not real yeah. don't you need to like Google that thing. and then debunked in fact don't even. Google it go to DuckDuckGo well like. there are people that actually like. great story idea yeah they'll Google it. like they'll actually Google oh yeah. great story idea or a great script or a.

great action sequence well AI will do it. for you now chat GPT will do that for. you and this is just chat gpt4 you know. what happens when they get to chat gbt30. so again to all that it's like okay so. let's think like if you're not inputting. it right you're just asking it and you. take that idea is that copyright right. you know I mean that's where the it's. funky right because like you can do you. could be the programmer you're doing the. copyright infringe but if I'm the one. benefiting it by Googling it or like.

doing the AI thing right am I infringing. it's a very good question you know what. I mean I mean they can code websites for. you now like really quickly like. instantaneously right they can do code. flawlessly they can do so many different. things so yeah what does it do that. industry yeah oh it's going to kill so. many Industries I mean this is something. that Andrew Yang was talking about with. automation but I don't think he. anticipated Ai and things like this well. the creative aspect of business is a. whole other level yeah you know what I. mean yeah that's a weird visual graphic.

art in general right architectural. design would be this right yeah exactly. I think really anything like that the. coding especially and it can do it. instantaneously and stuff that would. take people months months what's the. waiting time right and it's you know no. need for creativity no need to be. sitting alone bored just trying to. figure out ideas just trying to get. those ideas to pop into your head I. think that's you know they call it like. zero to one learning right they hand you. a blank piece of paper. give me a great idea that's different.

than if I give you a shitty idea and I. say okay Joe fix it right like that's. one to ten thinking yeah you can like. I'm good at like somebody gives me a. shitty secret I can make a better. sequence yes you know the zero to one is. that that's what they really pay for to. come up with the original cool idea that. was a problem with joke thieves because. joke thieves would go to Open Mic nights. and they would watch amateurs but. amateurs that had like a pretty good. premise right but they just sucked yeah. it didn't quite help yet oh I know how. to do that right so a professional would. sit in the back of an open mic night and. watch the open oh yeah it was a real.

issue really oh yeah yeah I would have. thought of that well they've all been. busted most of them have been busted but. how do you get busted on that Comics. other comics and then now the YouTube. people the YouTube people will take bits. and show that this is where it came from. and you know some pretty prominent. people have been busted doing that. really yeah because it's just. it's too easy like if someone like I. like I'm really good at like if a young. comic says I got this idea it can't work. I go tell me the bit and they'll tell me.

that so I'm fresh right like I'm looking. at it completely from the outside but. they already have structure so I go oh. okay cut that part out and put it in the. front and say just set it up with almost. like the punch line right and then your. new punch line is this Oh Daddy layered. it yeah you just figure out a way but I. didn't have the idea is there the ideas. are the hardest thing premises for. stand-up comedy in particular they're. some of the hardest things to acquire a.

good thing to talk about and there's. things that everybody talks about like. Biden falls down haha everybody talks. about it it's like simple it's easy it's. right there for everybody so there's a. lot of parallel thinking but then like. weird premises like someone who takes. something that no one ever would have. thought would be comedy and then turns. that into a bit well if that person's an. amateur. and someone's sitting in the back of the. room they're kind of clunky with their. way of doing it but the person who's a. pro seizing goes I can fix that and then.

they just steal it ah yeah yeah that's. the thing yeah that's the thing so when. you ask AI to write jokes for you well. how do you know if ai's not stealing it. from a Blog right because AI is scouring. the entire internet right so they could. be getting it from all sorts of. different people's intellectual property. right yeah that's true I think even even. more to that is again what the writers. are saying about now is like you know. they're paid on their first pass they're. paying passes you know past the script.

have a script. um and they get paid less for a rewrite. than they do an original idea I think. what they're most concerned about and I. I could have this wrong but what I was. told by a lot of my writer friends. is that you know a real concern is no. one's trying to replace writers with. with uh you know the over the finished. draft Yeah and AI can carry out a shitty. draft yes and then they can hire a human. to do the second draft Yeah at like half. price yeah like that's it so like ai's. pumping out the shitty first so they get.

you know that's the thing so what's a. human like you're saying what's a human. first draft what's it yeah what's a. first draft what's the second and then. we're talking about a business that. already has a bunch of shady practices. oh yeah I mean everybody's copying. everybody everybody's stealing ideas. everybody's doing but you know whether. you're evolving those ideas whether. you're just straight out ripping them. off or whether they're inspiring you. you're still you're still using them. right well we're all influenced by. everything that's been created before. well it's life right there's no you. can't stop but being influenced like of. course that's why you people watch. that's why you you get all your material.

that's all I get my retail we just watch. we observe yeah or we read you know. whatever there's a guy I used to jiu. jitsu with and um he was a screenwriter. and he brought a screen he brought. brought a screenplay he brought a fully. form script to a very prominent. production company and they stole it. they completely stole it and made a. blockbuster film and he went to court. with them and won and got credited in. the film but it was a battle it was a. [ __ ] battle and he probably had as a.

draft right there oh yeah and he also. had the papers he had all the. documentation that showed that he had it. WTA is for right yeah that's why they. would do that but it's just dirty as. [ __ ] that they just took it and ran. they're like wow let him [ __ ] sue us. yeah and that's what he did because. they're like nope [ __ ] you he's like. [ __ ] you I met with you I gave you this. idea and like [ __ ] you like we're huge. and you're some guy and you know don't. [ __ ] cause trouble or you're never. gonna work that yeah that's a Horror. Story it's scary but that is how common.

is that in Hollywood again it's that. [ __ ] soft line because you're so. inspired and everybody's everything this. wasn't inspired I think no what I'm. saying this was the star that he wrote. it for wound up starring in the movie. okay that's probably how they got caught. that was only two on the nose but like. that's I think a lot of students stay. with existing IP that's why you know. comic books yeah you get a book like. you're not going to run into a battle I. am doing the book there's no. interpretation yeah you and I didn't. have this hey we got this idea for like.

this lizard guy and like we just right. right made it up in parallel thinking. like right right right you have a little. lukewarmness there but but for people. like that like that have come up with a. thing and had it stolen AI so scary well. I yeah again that's that's a double Wham. here and what if it can get into Google. Docs right what if you you upload it to. the cloud and so you've got all your. [ __ ] sitting up there on the clock on. your notes oh your personal thoughts. all of it I guess that's the real thing. people now like you know I have notebook.

and notebook and notebook I'm sure you. do too of like all your past ideas I. still have hard copies but a lot of. people I know have all their you know. like my production designer all designs. that are yet to be experienced it's all. uploaded it's not all digital copies. yeah [ __ ] that's never made it out like. I have like three or four ideas that. haven't made it out yet that are fully. flushed and like you know. somebody gets a hold of that you're like. you can't argue with them because I. haven't written a thing yet right you. know and they're like oh that was funny. we both had that space fantasy yeah um. interesting right it's a weird world we.

live in in your world the world of. creating these entertainment. properties these things like John Wick. it's like. that that's a world where you're like. more likely to get poached I I think so. but again I'm gonna go yeah it does suck. and we should at least start the talks. about how to protect ourselves against. that or what it could be but at the same. time like look if you're creative if you. have good ideas you're gonna keep coming.

so to answer your earlier question yeah. I'm gonna give it a go again I'm working. on this project called Highlander we're. going to redo Highlander really yeah no. [ __ ] I loved highlights Heiner's awesome. I'm super stoked to do something with. that we have ghost to sushima on the. plates the video based on the video game. the samurai film Rainbow Six those are. the three good Samurai movie The Last. Summer if you can check it check out the. game check out the game goes to shishima. it's one of the best looking games out. there but it's got a great story what is.

it about uh jinsukai and the Mongol. invasion oh [ __ ] when the Mango's. invaded Japan yeah they had to stop in. shashima Island Japan was the only. people that kept them out yeah and it. was samurais were the only people that. like defeated the Mongols is kick but. they stalled him long enough for bad. weather to sink him in the in the. Kamikaze the the typhoon that hit oh wow. oh that's incredible it's based on. kurosawa's cinematography and stuff but. look how good this looks holy [ __ ] again. one every award out there for for for.

cinematography when was this made this. is just a few years ago we've been. developing the script ever since which. we have and we're working with Sony. right now to bring this to First oh my. God this is going to be incredible but a. great storyline fantastic storyline wow. this is amazing the graphics. some of the best sword fights oh Jesus. it's basically the birth of the first. Shinobi about how he has to you know be. something less than a samurai but more.

than anything else to save his people. this is incredible yeah fantastic. yeah fantastic you check it I'm not a. big game guy but I love the story so. much as like I contacted Sony gun Sony. PlayStation going we got to do this like. we really have to do this yeah oh that's. a great idea for a film so between these. guys and like what they got going on. with Rainbow Six and Michael B Jordan I. think one of those three will will build. a few worlds and have some fun I'm sure. yeah we'll see what happens Melissa man. uh it was great talking to you it was. great meeting you at Terence and uh yeah.

hopefully we'll see I'm super pumped. that you put the 71 Barracuda in the. film. it was awesome I mean I could tell. people that boy shut the [ __ ] up I'm. like no no that's the real deal no. that's that's the reason we listen to. the fans well I appreciate it and I am a. fan thank you very much for being here. congratulations with the movie no thank. you very much my pleasure thanks all. right bye everybody. [Applause]. [Music].

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