Joe Rogan Experience #1992 - Oliver Stone

[Music]. by night. yeah I I have been fascinated by the. subject for a long time and I'm very. very happy that you made this. documentary and it's a very good. documentary by the way thank you for. making it and thank you for highlighting. this very very important issue that. seems to have been. really confused and I'm really glad how.

you covered it in this uh documentary. about Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. and Fukushima we have these ideas in our. mind about the dangers of nuclear power. and I love the analogy that you made in. the film about how driving a car is not. scary but it's dangerous flying in a. plane feels scary but it's far safer. yeah and this is a great analogy to. nuclear power when you went over the the.

data when you talked about the amount of. death from coal every year when you talk. about the amount of deaths overall ever. from nuclear it's it's stunning it is. it's stunning and then when you cut to. in the documentary you showed the. anti-nuclear movement that happened. after Three Mile Island yeah and how. crazy it was it's all these stars and. celebrities and they're doing concerts. we've got to stop nuclear power and. what a mess that happens then when the.

fad I mean becomes fashionable yeah he's. a very successful movement you're. talking about the negatives here and the. accidents and uh. we we cover all that in the film which. is called nuclear now and the idea that. was behind it was because I really was. like you I mean I I went along with. those things in the 70s and the 80s. because I didn't know better I didn't I. wasn't educated I really wanted to know. what is nuclear power I wanted to go. back to the source and you've got to go.

back to the beginning and you got to go. back to malikiri and Albert Einstein and. World War II and all how it could how it. got developed this nuclear energy is a. beautiful incredible almost a miracle. that was given to us that we have in. Earth it's all it's in the earth uranium. it's everywhere the planet the Earth the. Sun and we in a sense we took it like. Prometheus and we kind of misinterpreted.

it misused it which is not which is kind. of normal for given what we do with. natural things. World War II was happening just as the. as the nuclear the fishing was being. understood and that made the bomb they. made the bomb with it because there was. a war on and they they rushed it and. they did a they did an amazing job. Oppenheimer out down in. uh the the in Los Alamos but and they. got it and they were successful.

but as you know it was misunderstood. that that point that nuclear energy was. not nuclear bomb in the contrary it was. a bomb is very difficult to build and it. takes a lot it takes years sometimes it. takes scientists and they have to enrich. the plutonium and they have to work at. it there's all configurations in the. bomb that don't exist in nuclear energy. so when people see a nuclear energy. plant they. subconsciously they cross it with both. war and they cross it with horror films.

that they've seen in the 1950s with. radioactivity and monsters had come out. of that you know spider yeah spider. bites the man and you become Spider-Man. you know Hulk yeah it's incredible the. stuff that happens and it's all and it's. Hollywood has done no favors to it it's. continued for years and years and years. and then. and of course you had a Three Mile. Island the film was coming out at the. same time uh China Syndrome and with. Jane Fonda was a good film I enjoyed it. we all enjoyed it but it really was.

hysterical and alarmist saying and. nothing happened at Three Mile Island. except the reactor did melt down but. nobody get got hurt because the. containment structure worked to keep it. in to keep it in so there was no release. of radiation. and they continued on silkwood was. another one and then if you remember uh. not too long ago there was the HBO thing. Chernobyl yeah which was a complete. fictionalization of what happened at.

Chernobyl so we went to Russia and we. talked to the scientists there and we. wanted to know what happened to. Chernobyl and we find out and it's in. the film. and the same thing is true for Fukushima. which is unbelievable because I when you. go to the bottom of it it's I was. astounded to find out that nobody died. there from radiation not one Japanese. they checked the whole thing out and. it's been done to death. but you hear about fifteen twenty. thousand people died from the tsunami.

and the earthquake which is the biggest. earthquake Japan ever had I mean really. we show the earthquake we show the. tsunami the wave was a hundred feet tall. there was a badly built wall the wall. was not a sea wall that was could hold. and the generators were flooded beneath. the water and and these are these were. also not state-of-the-art. um that's right it's like what they can. do now in terms of these power plants.

everything gets better I mean yeah but. even though those those nuclear reactors. built 60 70 years ago are still. functioning they're Legacy reactors they. do work yeah and we mustn't dismiss them. yeah it gets better than technology gets. better like as in any business you and. there's another generation and it's. better but hopefully better but uh the. point was that they could avoid what. happened in Fukushima today oh Fukushima. was if you if you look at closely Japan.

had built uh 20 some reactors at that. point and this one is the only one the. others were exposed to the same. earthquake and the same kind of tsunami. several of them were on that same. coastline. but this particular one this plant was. uh was the only one that was shaken up. and even then all the radiation that was. released there was a hydrogen explosion. all the explo that radiation released in. the air you heard about it was not. supposed to be another terrible well. they we have shots in the film showing.

they're taking tests on all the Japanese. citizens and nobody can you know it's. low level what they call low level. radiation which is we can sustain it we. have our we have DNA in our body that. fixes repairs our body as each day goes. by. we uh but it's also you point out very. well in the film that there's a lot of. radiation that you don't even take into. consideration that you encounter. constantly we have this idea of. radiation as being a net negative it's a.

terrible thing but it's just a thing. you get it from being outside you get it. from rocks you get it from all sorts of. things. there's radiation in this room it's it's. it's uh you get radiation from eating a. banana I think what you said is so it's. so true that films and. um and comic books and are fictions of. radiation that's part of the problem. yeah that started early it's a giant. problem because comic books and all that.

it plays to the worst aspects of human. nature which is we just love to get. terrified about headlines so we don't. read into the devil of the details. exactly that's what was confusing to me. and I really we're miseducated. uh and there is still a bias against. nuclear if you mention it to anybody. yeah it's scary instantly and it's yeah. but the point is we can live with it and. we have to because we're facing armaged. we're finishing a very difficult. situation a cliff that we're going to go.

over and it seems that no one's really. getting it so that's why I felt like the. film I wanted to know I need to educate. myself so in doing the film I think I. was able to bring out these things you. talk about what is wrong with nuclear. energy it can work it is a miracle we. should use it and we should use it. abundantly the Chinese have and the. Russians are way ahead of us they've. built this they built it and they built. it with government backing not like the. us where we kind of back it but we don't.

really back it. so as a result well China's really. cutting out now because they have about. 70 reactors approximately 70 reactors. yeah about 74 I think anyway they're. building and I've heard uh I can't I. don't remember the source but I did hear. that they're putting another 140 billion. dollars into this thing which means that. they're going to build 150 some reactors.

over the next uh. by 2038 that is a serious investment. serious investment wow. that's a serious investment that would. take a long time for us to catch up to. oh it's not about competing it's right. but if we wanted to do what they're. doing right now well we have even if. it's not competing just to do just to be. current yeah so they're the leader right. now in that well no uh we're the biggest. country in the world we still have naive. some reactors online so China's climate.

goals hinge on a 440 billion dollar. nuclear build out that's interesting so. we have we still have more even with all. the negative stereotypes about nuclear. reactors. planning on at least 150 new reactors in. the next 15 years more than the rest of. the world has built in the past 35. wow. that's why I'm surprised you remember no. it just says it right there the article. oh Jimmy just had it pulled up China uh. has wow and you got a system worked out. yeah Jamie's the wizard look at him over.

there is best he doesn't know what to do. so it's about even but this uh this uh. article that you just pulled up Jamie. this is from uh Bloomberg Jesus Christ. yeah well you see you got the source. right away yeah and this is from 2021. um it's this this whole thing it's it is. exactly how you lay it out in the film. it's almost like we have to cure. ourselves of these misconceptions and if. we don't we're screwed China's building. man they don't [ __ ] around now they have.

a lot of cold they still they're still. building coal plants because they have a. huge demand and they have to get off the. cold that isn't crucial because they are. completely contaminating the atmosphere. as well the more nuclear they build the. better it will be the contamination from. coal is terrifying we showed a um a. documentary that had been done with do. you remember the documentary no but I. remember it was Indiana it was a. documentary it was all about. um one of the things that was. highlighting is all the people that live.

around around these plants and the air. quality they suffer it's insane their. cars are covered with like a thin film. of you know all the particulates in the. in the atmosphere that's great it's. horrible they estimate from air. pollution alone I've read figures of. four million deaths a year it's just so. much you need so many cases of you know. respiratory illnesses and it's hard I. want to say 4 million a year from air. pollution but one million at least from.

coal a year that's what I've seen But. there couldn't be more coal in the so. it's and who knows what the the health. negatives are on top of that like how. many people are suffering with illnesses. and ailments because of those. particulars especially around those. reactors or or the plants rather it's. horrible well we still have coal in the. U.S yeah no this was in the U.S this was. in Indiana correct oh yeah they have a. coal everywhere I mean president Trump.

said. uh Trump digs coal I dig coal he said. Clean Coal once was just like what the. [ __ ] are you saying the [ __ ] are you. saying cleaner than what. the other lighting tires now the other. uh truth that we miss is gas now we know. how ugly the oil thing is I mean there's. the waste and all the oil and this. fossil fuel itself is destroying the.

universe because we're putting carbon. into the atmosphere CO2 but uh gas is. considered they're using gas everywhere. even it seems like a modern thing they. say well Renewables which are solar and. wind those are we're all for that I want. wind we want solar but they don't work. all the time. they run out in winter at night is it. also a problem with Battery Technology. when it comes to this part of it too but.

the point is when they run out what they. need is gas backup it's back up you see. nuclear. doesn't need storage and it doesn't need. backup what's the beauty of it it's a. real clean energy. and the gas does I mean uh. Renewables do need backup and that. backup is gas so it's not a hundred. percent like the one one of the issues. is about storage the waste yeah and when.

you talked about just the the size of. the amount of storage it's not nearly as. much as a lot of people think it is. of the amount of we uh it's the only. waste that we America is. used up to now in the last since the. 1958 whenever shipping Port was built. has amounts to about the size of Walmart. frankly you could put it in a Walmart in. other words people make a big deal about. waste but they don't realize that it's. so intense an energy huge amount of.

energy that it's it's uh how do you say. compact as a result so it fits into a. if waste itself is is a positive about. nuclear because. first of all there's been no harm done. so it's been buried in casks and first. of all it goes into water for maybe two. three years and that's a conductor that. takes takes the radioactivity down and.

then it gets put into casks that are. 12 to 14 feet they build these casks in. the United States they're concrete and. steel concrete. is a great uh it does not conduct uh. radioactivity concrete stops it so. concrete and and steel casks work they. can go for 100 years and then you can do. another 100 years and then eventually. eventually you realize that. radioactivity drops each time in four or.

five years it's way down it tops to. almost if you I don't have all the. figures but you can see that it's it's a. ridiculous fear given compared to what. given climate change is so dangerous and. compared to the deaths that are already. occurring every year just from you using. the methods we have now in in comparison. to the amount of people that died from. nuclear it's very very small well the. only people who have died from nuclear. that we know have are returnable there.

was 50 First Responders who died in the. actual uh they were the badly badly. protected when they were sent in by a. corrupt and decaying so government. and then they were hiding the fact that. there was a leak the radioactivity went. all over northern Europe. and still that was it was not that what. we think it is it's not like Hiroshima. or Nagasaki it wasn't that enriched uh. kind of radiation it was a low-level.

radiation that exists that went out. there and they went out the U.N went in. and the who went in and it was really. exhaustive what they did and uh they. came up with a number of about 4 000. possible deaths from cancer after. returnable now since then there's been. another examination by another. a scientific organization that says that. he's even in a high number we don't. really know because people die from. cancer you know naturally.

so we don't really know how bad. Chernobyl was but nothing like what has. been what the environmentalists say is. the end of the world and or the HBO. series oh the HBO was a design I mean it. was I didn't see it but I heard it was. great yeah it was great attention as. tension and yeah all that yeah I make. movies I know you can make movies out of. disasters but it's not fair it's not. fair it's not fair one proponent nobody. in that's what bothered me nobody said. it's a good thing as opposed to this is.

horrible Beast it's crazy that it's. something like that that's right in. front of our face it's right in front. it's not like something that has to be. invented it's not theoretical no it's. like you know again myth over you use. your reason go scientific yeah trust the. science uh which is very hard to do in a. world where imagine tobacco it was sold. to us is tobacco is good for you you. know uh car seat belts were not. necessary we have automobile safe safety.

you know all the good things that happen. take they happen against against the. desire for profit yeah huh but even this. desire for profit it's like when we're. talking about like Renewables you're. talking about yeah that it's really. interesting that that gets connected to. Green everyone says that's green this is. green power green energy but there's. very little that's more green than solar. yeah that's it's never mentioned we went.

to Davos with the film and they're. taught here they are Davos all the. world's richest businessman business. biggest guys movers and shakers lizard. people they don't even have it on the. agenda they talk about clean green this. that it's imagining it's imagining we. had to struggle to get a screening of. nuclear and we got one so in other words. people know about it but they they it. has to become trendy right yeah right I. mean it's almost really what has to. happen it's almost like that has to.

become the trend of being one of the. people the early adopters to recognize. that nuclear is the way out of this it's. a sad thing because the truth is they. worked for 70 years and it still work. and yeah the old ones work but okay we. want new stuff that's the American way. we always have to have a new thing. because we get bored with the old thing. oh nuclear I heard about that that that. that's dangerous right that's that's the. way the reaction so now they're building. in the in the U.S there are 50 new. company 50 companies working on.

50 companies working privately toward. with some Department of energy help. towards making SMR a small modular. reactors that are Sleek great looking. and they all have different uh different. uh methods of working including natrium. including Bill Gates is there with a. with a new company and. does this lead to nuclear power cars. because if so I'm not sure well no. that's another I want one of those no. cars transportation that has that can be.

dealt with that's another it's not just. electricity that has to be. improved a lot we have to we have to. nuclearize electricity which is about a. third of the problem but we still have. the problems after that of. and aside from that heating buildings. heating offices cooking eating in. general yeah for apartments for offices. and then there's the industry aspect of.

it. the concrete steel these are huge highly. intensive. CO2 yeah you know they they consume a. lot of carbon to make these things. and don't forget agriculture Jesus said. yeah it sounds horrible but ammonia is. one of the worst byproducts of the of. ammonia is in the air and you remember. the Oklahoma bombing yeah but ammonia is. is terrible and what we have to do is.

get Electrify everything essentially so. the demand for electricity given the. whole world's coming into look at all. the people in Africa Asia who are coming. to want what we have they see television. they see what Americans have have you. gotten into regenerative farming at all. I looked into that not really it's. something to consider because when you. were talking about ammonium when you're. talking about. just the the the different fertilizers. and pesticides and herbicides that get. put into the ground you know I don't.

know if it's scalable for the entire. country that's the real problem with it. but there's people like Joel Salton and. um uh White Oak pastures that's down in. uh Georgia and they figured out a way to. have Farms where it's regenerative where. the animals are eating the grass they're. fertilizing the grass the fertilizer you. they use the fertilizer for you know to. to grow food and they bring in these. animals to these ecosystems and they.

have them exist in a way that it just. basically contained nature yeah it's. just the way the natural cycle is and. they have a zero carbon footprint it's. essentially everything sort of works in. balance and that's how it's supposed to. happen and which you look at especially. from White Oak pastors he had a video of. the run off from a rainstorm onto from. his property into the river which is.

nothing to the next door neighbor's. property who runs an industrialized farm. and it's a [ __ ] disaster it's. horrific to look at because you just see. the top soil's gone look at that look at. the difference this is a clear line. between his property on the left and the. neighbor's property right I mean how. insane is it that this is normal for us. this is the problem the problem is. they've gone into these mono crop. agriculture situations where they plot.

they use the same land over and over. again and they have to apply fertilizer. and they have to apply herbicides and. pesticides it makes it make it toxic for. everything but whatever the [ __ ] it is. they're growing a lot of the stuff. they're growing is genetically modified. in order to be more tolerant of these. pesticides and herbicides and that's not. good no this is this is a major source. of the the problem you know fertilizer. but I can't comment on that yeah it's. really interesting stuff it's obviously.

not my wheelhouse either but these uh. people that have had to talk about it. but the point is that we're going to. need. they some people say three four five. times the amount of electricity that we. have now by 2050 which is the we used. 2050 as a gold mark because that's the. IPP ipcc standard they said that by 2050. all the countries of the world have to. bring down the carbon emissions to zero. to zero now yeah. it doesn't work I mean the green.

Renewables are great there's great idea. it made great sense when you saw Al. Gore's film but the truth is that CO2. keeps going up not down it's gone up. since then and we've spent trillions of. dollars since the 2000 period this is 20. some years now and it just hasn't worked. and nobody admits it that's what's crazy. so. the only way to get the carbon dioxide. out of the atmosphere is do it do it. clean do it right now you got to get rid. of gas and you've got to get rid of oil.

basically and you got to be severe about. it that means you have to have an. alternative a clean cheap scalable. alternative and this is nuclear is the. only one that's proven itself proven. itself for so many years and yet nobody. it doesn't even get talked about I mean. journalists will say and there's nuclear. which is dangerous when it's not. dangerous if you do it right if you. build it right and you keep it right. it's been done time and time again it's.

just that one you know I wish there had. been more accidents he would have really. taught the lesson every industry has had. needed accidents I mean when they. started the railroad when they they. thought that your brain would get pushed. back in your head because of the speed. of the uh of going forward same thing. was true with airplanes you need he had. more crashes before the airplane has. been you know modified into this. incredibly. powerful machine we're not going to get. rid of the airplane we're going to have. to we have to use fuel we have to use. aviation fuel and it will come from the.

marriage of hydrogen and carbon actually. and it will need a lot of heat and and. that heat is going to come from nuclear. it's not going to come from anything. else that amount of heat. so we also have to take into. consideration that if the population. continues to grow and we're doing things. the same way whatever our output is now. that's damaging it's going to get worse. and worse and worse yeah there's going. to be more people the United States is. in good shape compared to the rest of. the world but look at India yeah look at.

look at Africa which is I mean people. will burn wood if they have to much less. coal I mean they they're not going to. stop people from getting things and. they're going to want energy that is. going to be the prime India is crucial. we we bring it up in the film and they. have some they are doing some great. nuclear work they have 20 some reactors. in India but they are definitely on the. path of coal like China they they. they're going to get and their demand is. enormous for coal so what happens it was.

no there's no luck we can't get out of. that mess we're going to have so much. so much pollution so much. warming that uh. the only way we can do it is by building. nuclear now and taking everything else. we can throw in there including. Renewables yeah alongside it. well it's I think it has to become. something that people are aware of and. becomes trendy and that's one of the.

great things in the film. um the uh this Brazilian woman that. lives in Austin oh yeah yeah she lives. in Austin yeah her name is Isabel bomke. and she makes Tick Tock films yeah and. these little Tick Tock videos the the. great thing about those is they become. viral and maybe that is how the message. gets out you know I I think that's part. of it I think it needs to be addressed. by leaders uh the leadership of let's. say president XI of China has committed.

to the U.N that he by 2060 they will. have zero carbon emissions well I think. that's a vow it's going to take someone. who's got some courage yeah because it. politically it's it's an issue because. people do have this false narrative in. their head yeah so it's going to take. someone who's willing to step outside of. what the polling would show. because I I would imagine that most most. people if you just started talking about.

we we have to switch the entire country. over to nuclear power if you're running. for president people go whoa whoa whoa. whoa whoa so many people just have the. knee-jerk reaction that is brought about. because of these films because of you. know the the anti-nuclear power movement. there's there's still that propaganda. exists in people's heads or the false. narrative necessity is the mother of. invention as things get worse it will be. clear that we need nuclear more and more. and more and we'll we'll come late to. the game and we'll say well we got to. build more and more and more nuclear.

because we're not it's not working with. with wind and solar right but I don't. think you're going to see that from a. politician I don't think a politician is. going to stick their neck out I think. it's going to have to be it's gonna have. to be so prevalent in the public. narrative it's going to be able to be so. prevalent in the Zeitgeist that they. think politically it's okay to to be a. proponent of it well I think the younger. generation changing the numbers and the. demographics of the I think 60 I'm. reading are pro-nuclear now that's.

correct in the U.S probably tick tock. well maybe it might be but you know it's. a new generation they're more scared. about climate change than they are about. war yeah and uh a lot of the older. generation now they confuse who confuse. nuclear energy with nuclear bomb. are dying off and. I think there is going to be a change it. has to be there's no other ways there. has to be it's just on top of it it's a. miracle it's a it's an incredible.

if it's handled correctly built. correctly like Hyman rickover did with. the Navy that's the Navy was one of the. biggest developers of nuclear in in. America yeah from the 1950s the nuclear. submarines and they kept going to talk. about the power in a nuclear submarine. how long it lasts too yeah yeah. one one small uh reactor can run a. submarine for how many 50 60 years. that's insane and also if you put two of. them into a aircraft carrier you've seen.

the size of those yeah that's uh. oh boy just a giant 6 000 people on that. thing that can go for also the two. reactors can make that's what they're. doing actually two reactors can make a. aircraft carrier go for a. I don't know how many years 50 years 40. years that's insane it's incredible I. mean it really is there's nothing like. it nothing like it no the the fact that. that is not. that's not something that people Marvel.

at no that you have a ship at Sea that's. powered entirely by nuclear power and it. can go for 50 years or whatever it is we. try to show that in the film I mean it's. just a miracle it's insane it's so much. different than anything else. and if you just do it right like they do. with the submarines or like they do with. you need discipline and you need to do. it and you need to redo it and do it and. do it so you standardize it the United. States never standardized it Japan did.

Korea did they built one type of reactor. and they built it consistently just. recently uh Korea built four Ford heavy. water reactors big ones in uar the. United Arab Republic for them. 1.4 gigawatts each a gigawatts a billion. watts and so it's 5. 5.6 gigawatts. that's that's a huge amount for the. United Arab Republic they don't cover a. huge area that's incredible that's the. kind of building you need to do but you.

have to do it consistently didn't the. phrase go ahead please and by the way. you can you can ship it too you know if. you do if you assembly line it like in. Korean shipyards or something you can. build it in a way that you with smrs and. parts you can put the parts in and ship. them like like a Lego set up and down. the coastline of China or the coastline. of America any any country that Russians. did that in pevech which is an Arctic.

Outpost they built they sent a barge the. Greenpeace of course predicted it would. be a nuclear Titanic and it wasn't it. arrived in Quebec and it's set up and. it's working beautifully to this day so. smrs are shippable and they can be built. in shipyards they can be assembled by. the thousands there's no reason not to. now what about if one of those things. sinks. yeah a little water is water absorbs it. absorbs radiation well so like what.

happens when there have been nuclear. submarines that have sunk right. not well if they did there's been no. damage isn't the phrase can neither. confirm nor deny doesn't that come from. I think that comes from an operation a. believe I heard this on Radio Lab I. think that phrase comes from an. operation where they were trying to. recover a Russian downed submarine right. I remember that yeah and they had to.

answer the question. and so when they were questioned their. answer was we can neither confirm nor. deny right because they were put in a. position where they were supposed to. interact so how do we say this we can't. lie we can't say no we're not going to. tell you because we have to answer so. the answer they came up with is we can. neither confirm nor deny which is a. beautiful it's very eloquent if you. really think about if you want to be a. [ __ ] artist like that's an amazingly. eloquent statement that was the one that. Howard Hughes was involved in uh global.

global is that what it was yeah how are. you yeah that sounds right yeah uh never. heard more about it you know whatever. happened happened it wasn't you know the. world the world's like the world didn't. end that's the thing about nuclear. people say Well when something goes. wrong it really goes wrong but that's. there's no evidence that's an. exaggeration but in comparison to the. things that we absolutely know go wrong. with just Transportation just driving. like deaths are inevitable when you have. hundreds of millions of people obviously.

you want to mitigate them as much as. possible you want to mitigate dangers as. much as possible but we're we're just. victim of like bad narrative industrial. accidents you know how many people die a. year two million. it's incredible so 50 people died at. turnable and here we are running away. from nuclear yeah it's kind of crazy but. that's humans we're so weird like that. Germany is the craziest of all I mean. yeah they are smart people I thought. they were mathematical Geniuses and will. you explain what you're talking about.

because a lot of people probably don't. even know that they originally they. originally built 20 some reactors in the. 70s and they they were doing very fine. with it and no problems and now they've. shut them all down because of the green. party which is a political party green. party which is also pro war Pro NATO you. know it's been a strange green party. it's a hybrid anyway they came into. power and there it's a democracy and. they they don't want any Nuclear So they. destroyed they shut down uh on their.

plants that were working and we show. that in the film. and what did they go with they returned. they replaced it with coal and and gas. and as as a result and a lot of solar. and a lot of a lot of turbines they in. fact if you think look at the solar Park. that they built they built a gigantic. solar Park in Germany 495 000 panels 490. can you imagine that. 500 Acres 495 000 panels that's enormous.

and that Park if you took they took down. a nuclear reactors in the area that one. was about a hundred acres but it was. producing about a hundred times more. electricity than the than this 500 Acres. so on one-fifth the land not only that. at what point in time does that become. pollution. I mean just whatever the panels are like. whatever that area is like what have you.

done to that area I know we don't think. about we just think about it as land but. that's part of Earth so you've covered. part of Earth with this. with these [ __ ] panels yeah it's it's. looks gross the turbines look gross too. I I went down to um I was going down to. South Texas and I drove past this uh. turbine farm and I'm like how is that. not bothering people that's a it's like. eye pollution you're looking at these.

things that are spit these giant. machines that are spinning instead of. just the landscape it looks like we're. tricking ourselves into thinking that. this is like a hundred percent clean. it's not clean if all you're looking at. is turbines if you're driving on the. highway and you see hundreds of turbines. with lights on them so planes don't fly. into them that's not clean like that's a. part of the problem like that's. polluting the environment well it looks. like [ __ ] yeah I understand each.

country's different so it depends what. they want to do with their land I mean. Denmark has had some Success With It. Germany's had greater success with win. than they have with solar that's for. sure but they're not dealing with it. because we're still putting out yeah. we're putting out [ __ ] in the air it's. also yeah I mean it's certainly better. than burning coal it's certainly better. than many Alternatives but it's still. it's well perfect we should talk about. methane because that is not better it's. more damaging in the in the in the short. term methane is methane is horrible and.

it leaks all along the line as we say in. the film that's gas natural gas natural. gas and that we talk about it like it's. some kind of Savior it's a perfect. partner for Renewables that's what they. sell themselves as and they advertise it. when they show the the footage of how. much gas gets released from those pipes. it's crazy I showed it in the film we. showed the infrared camera yeah and how. much gas is leaked this is you turn your. gas stove on and that's a leak yeah. right there and that goes a long way.

towards destroying the the atmosphere a. lot of people are upset that they're. trying to ban uh gas stoves and diffuse. in future buildings in New York City. that's a big thing but you know I was I. was like okay is there are people. overreacting who's overreacting and then. you think about it like is it's just for. the convenience of cooking that you. enjoy cooking more with that is it a. price thing because nuclear would solve. the issue of the availability of power. yeah but would it you know I think.

people just like to cook with gas which. is really weird like if it's really bad. for you and really bad for the city and. for the environment that just the fact. that you don't like cooking with. electric. well I can't comment on that I just know. that methane has a short-term huge. effect on the atmosphere long-term less. but they did recently ban at New York. City correct I don't know Jamie I think. they banned it in for uh new home. construction yeah I think that's right.

and everybody went crazy and I was like. I don't know about this maybe that's not. the worst thing in the world you know. like. first Statewide ban on use of natural. gas and new buildings yeah yeah because. if that stuff really does lower IQs. isn't that uh one of the things that. they've discussed like I don't know why. see if they could find that I heard that. yeah yeah see if you can find because I. remember there was something about it. having an effect on cognitive function.

yeah which you know we found out we just. talked about this the other day but we. found out. from leaded gas that there's a giant dip. in IQ points not a giant one but like a. measurable dip in IQ points amongst. people that grew up. uh in my generation with leather gas. everywhere yeah well I yeah I wonder. about my own brain I guess you know. we've been around long enough well we're. getting old Oliver and that's uh part of.

the problem. it's just a childhood asthma childhood. asthma that's it didn't say anything. about cognitive function and I even. typed an IQ here interested maybe I'm. good so much heat comes off nuclear that. it really is not being used as as the. scientist says in the film it could heat. New York City yeah so if it's caught. even if it's causing kids asthma like. it's not good for anybody then like if. that's really what's going on with gas. but the the amount of time that it would. take to get the United States like what.

what would that take to get rid of all. of the things that are polluting the. environment all of the things that are. putting out particulates the coal and. all that stuff replace it with nuclear. we give it that we showed that graph. from here to 2050 thinking backwards and. trying you have to get this thing going. you have to get the the nuclear part. going it's going to go slower at the. beginning because they take longer to. build but once they're once they're up. the maintenance is very very easy to do. on these things so in 2030 to 2040 if.

you're built this stuff is going to. start to pay off from 2040 to 2050 it's. going to be a huge run a huge race and. we can do it we may not get all the way. to zero but it's it's certainly doable. if rickover were in charge of a program. that you could he would push it through. and but it's not just us I mean honestly. the Chinese are doing their part they're. trying they're really trying because. they see the problem and you know for a. president to say that Z when he said. he's going to go down to Zero.

by 2060. that's 10 years later that's. pretty good that's amazing if they can. stick to it but Russia too plays a huge. role so does India run well they. obviously have much more control over. how things run they don't really rely on. The public's opinion or people. absolutely exactly which is that's okay. because we have to we're talking about. the Earth here but you know let's talk. about France you know France has been. nuclear since 1975. they built 56. reactors in 15 years that's pretty fast.

and they were all they're all working. then some of them are getting very old. now and they have to be. have to be either renewed or replaced. but they still have those nuclear they. have a lot of their electricity in. France 70 is nuclear they have some uh. hydropower. and uh I think some gas but not much. well I I genuinely think that it takes. someone like you making a documentary. about this to get the word out there to.

the point where people really start. demanding this I really do because I. think you're count you're countering all. those movies that you discuss all the. fictional movies you're countering all. those you're countering all of our the. stuff that we had growing up Godzilla. and Spider-Man and all that it's that's. what it is it's like we we associate. radiation with negativity yeah and. nuclear power with radiation we show. images of in Brazil of going to.

Brazilians going to black sand beaches. to absorb the radiation that is good for. the body yeah let me show you know in. cancer therapies it's used radiation. heavy radiation is used to kill off. tumors in the um in the body. we show uh in Iran ramsar Iran which has. got huge radioact radioactive activity. it's very high and it's gone it's. tremendously uh no one's they're doing. very well in Iran with that ramsar no.

one Stein yeah so in other words we can. live with radiation much longer we know. because DNA as Crick and Watson found. that reduplicates it has a double. so we we tend we the body repairs itself. as it's damaged and that was a big. argument in the old science because the. Rockefeller Foundation of course put out. this scare and their oil people they put. out the scare to the public in 1957. where they said you know any amount of. radiation to the body is dangerous and.

that really worked and put in the New. York Times put publisher put it in the. in the front front page in a column and. then it gets out you know that fear so. that's where meanwhile the the counter. comes later but you don't hear about it. and the counterclaim is we we repair our. body as we get as we get as we move. through life. that's what DNA does. it's a one it's a wonderful system we. have of DNA well we just have scary.

stories about radiation and you know. rightly so in some cases like the radium. girls those uh those P do you know about. this I don't know they're they used to. use radioactive uh paint for uh like. indices on on watches and things along. those lines you know Loom do you know. Loom you know what that is like on watch. face there's these little dots right. well these little dots collect light. when it's light out and then when it's.

dark they glow well people used to apply. those things with paint they didn't. realize the consequences of the. radioactivity so these girls would. sometimes like lick the tip of their. brush to wet it to shape it and they. develop horrible Cancers and it's uh. it's it's a very famous story but these. poor women like they they develop these. holes in their faces it's really a. really scary stuff but it's from very. specific type of radiation and it's also.

from direct contact. through this paint with no protection at. all oh well I can't comment on what I. don't know but sir yeah I know I. understand but so there are some. consequences that are negative that are. associated with radiation rightly yes. and this is one of the high levels of. radiation will hurt and yeah exposure to. radiation I mean there's a reason why. they make you put a lead thing over your. junk when you get into an x-ray machine. that's correct yeah I went to a lot of.

that when I was uh visiting the plants. in France Russia and here in Idaho the. National Laboratory uh we talked to a. lot of scientists and people who handle. it those people who know know they don't. they don't uh they don't freak out about. it was this something this this subject. that you when you when you decided to. make a documentary about this was it. simply just because you had the. information and you felt compelled that. this is just not a story that's being. told correctly oh I I I read a book I.

read a review of book review in the in. the New York Times of all things in. about uh. Joshua goldstein's book with Stephen. cavist the Swedish nuclear Zionist and. it was called bright future I bought the. book read it it's very practical it's. simple and it goes into the truth which. is this is all there's been a lot of. lies and then I bought the book and made. the movie with him he gave me a lot of I. had to learn a lot I had to travel and. it was difficult it was not an easy film.

to make I wanted to make it. understandable to a ninth grade level. you know yeah trying to make it simple I. I think it works at that level yeah it. absolutely does yeah definitely. um it's um it's just very important to. do and I'm really glad you did it. because it's I've talked to so many. intelligent people that share your. perspective on this but it's just not. being discussed publicly enough well. that it might have been our solution the. whole time it was yeah it was yeah I.

shouldn't have said Eisenhower was on. the right path yeah and John Kennedy who. supported it completely yeah remember we. used we quote him in the in the film. uh it it got kill it got derailed uh. obviously in the 70s with uh Ralph Nader. was very influential and he's a he's. done great work Nader but of course on. car safety but you know he was wrong. about exactly he exaggerated this to a. degree that was not necessary do you. think people exaggerated it because they.

had their own heightened anxiety about. it and so it's not like they did it on. purpose they did it because they were. genuinely misinformed yeah I do believe. that Nader is the good man yeah I. believe so and he still believes in it. that he's right but it's a question of. degree you know like not he said all. Cleveland's going to blow up from one. nuclear reactor that's not true you know. if it blew up it's not going to blow up. Cleveland right and it's not a bomb and.

uh unfortunately that was a original. confusion it's never been created but. there wasn't also no one to counter him. like who would counter him back there. William Buckley scientist did but. someone publicly. that one I can't answer you because uh I. don't remember well frankly do you. remember the guy who started Greenpeace. uh more Dr Moore he was with the. co-founder of Greenpeace he came out and. said you know we were right a lot about. a lot of things at Greenpeace the whale. saving the whale we were right about.

toxic waste we were right about. nuclear bombs but we were wrong about. nuclear energy we got it wrong he says. that in the film It's a Wonderful. statement but again people I guess when. you get. you hear the negative first you know you. don't go you don't listen to the. positive. yeah that's the problem we're slaves to. our initial impressions well that's the. point of. maturity yes that's where you have to. get smarter yes.

yeah it's just very difficult for people. to do it's it's a lesson that doesn't. get taught enough that you are not your. ideas and once you start talking about a. subject particularly something that is a. world changing subject like nuclear. power or renewable energy. you uh you have to be it's not you what. these arguments are not you you have you. have to look at just the data you have. to look at the data and just because you. had an initial idea about something.

don't don't exactly look at it correctly. exactly because it is people associate. themselves with ideas and if they've. espoused an idea they somehow or another. think they have to defend it to the end. and it's a terrible trap to get into and. I've seen brilliant people get into that. trap it's a terrible trap you're not. your ideas they're just ideas well said. and you're certainly not something that. is a very nuanced and complicated issue. like nuclear power pro you could be a. person who was anti-nuclear power a few.

decades ago or even a few a few months. ago and get new information go oh okay. this is what I thought and this is where. I was wrong and that's better for. everybody and if people learn how to do. that we could move past a lot of silly. [ __ ] in this country yeah I wish Jane. Fonda would come out the other way. what is she uh what is she on now I. admire her uh for her Vietnam stand oh. yeah she uh she could she could mean a. lot if she understood this and came out. again.

but uh so it was you know there's a lot. of the people know this Matt Tybee and. Russell Brown brand yeah they understand. uh they've done they've done the reading. they're smart people uh we gotta get it. out and it's gonna happen I do they're. smart people and they're courageous. enough to just start talking as I say in. the film you know with Josh I said. nuclear has been around it's been. discredited constantly but it won't die. it's like something that just sticks. around yeah because it's good it's the.

truth and. that I think is going to be inevitable. because there is no other alternative I. mean we can talk about carbon capture we. can talk about all the things that. they're doing Fusion is a great solution. I love Fusion I was just up at MIT with. Dr. a Dennis swipe he's the head of the. program there he's fusion plasma through. it's beautiful amazing amount of work. and maybe it'll work in the second part. of the century but right now we have. from 2020 to 2050 we've got to deal with. this hump and there's no and fusion is.

not there yet it hasn't delivered. fission has there's also some research. that's being done on utilizing the spent. fuel cells and utilizing the waste yeah. and converting it into batteries correct. isn't that I didn't know about batteries. in Russia in Russia they had the breeder. reactor that I saw at bellyarsk which I. went we went out to uh the uh uh in the. middle of Russia I forgot exactly where. it is and it's a beautifully it was.

designed it's a 600 it was designed many. years ago and it does breed more than it. it go it eats up its own Fuel and it. reuses the fuel over and over again. that's why they call it a breeder. reactor because it breeds more yeah and. they're using it it's expensive that's. that's the problem can they standardize. it that's the other problem you know. these you have to make it cheap too but. the Russians have done it and now. they're building an 800 which is a. bigger one so you know I'm hopes for.

that but on on the U.S side we have all. these smaller uh we have GE working with. Hitachi which is a Japanese company. they're they're building an SMR a small. modular Reactor with you know some. capacity it could make. a radioactive or radioactive Diamondback. whoops. pop-up bag on us we had on batteries uh. uh unveils battery made from nuclear.

waste that could last up to 28 000 years. the Nano Diamond batteries power comes. from radioactive isotopes used in. nuclear reactors yeah that's what I was. talking about so as. technology advances and obviously. technology would. you know whatever they're able to do now. or even have they they actually done. this or is this just theoretical this. article is 2020. it unveil it unveiled a. battery.

that uses nuclear waste. I don't know this is they're saying that. they actually have a functional product. whoa that's what I was trying the. article I had that we had to pop up was. a nuclear Oh I thought right I thought. it was uh theoretical I don't know. they're already making batteries out of. it but if they can do that I mean Bingo. now we have a problem with electric cars. right that was the problem electric cars. the batteries that's the giant issues. you're getting lithium out of the ground. and most of it is sourced through.

unethical ways you're getting Cobalt. most of that Source through unethical. ways you but if they can make batteries. out of [ __ ] diamonds and to make I. mean how crazy is that we're all running. around on cars. but you still have the problem it has to. be continents it has to be a country. size. dimension scalability you know if you. can make an iPhone you can make a car or. for on an individual basis and here and. there but how do you make it so it works. on a continent size you know we're.

talking about look at the world map well. I think we have to look in terms of a. long period of time if you go back to. just the invention of electricity to the. time where everybody's carrying around a. battery-powered cell phone in your. pocket you're not talking about that. long I'm only talking about a couple of. hundred years we're looking at it like. oh my God we've got to get it done. tomorrow I don't think you do get this. thing done tomorrow I think but if I. think a big step is what you're. describing in your documentary that's a. big step a big step is like.

understanding that nuclear power is a. fantastic Way Forward. and if they really can make batteries. out of nuclear waste well now we have a. instead of a problem now we've got a. commodity now you've got something they. can utilize although I remember what. Bill Gates says. I Googled it again it said like the 2017. they're saying this is still a hoax but. they always say that we have to make. sure yeah so our nuclear Diamond. batteries too good to be true you're. probably wondering what the catch is. there's a diamond battery out there that.

really uses nuclear waste last thousands. of years it involves layers of only the. most minuscule diamonds it's slightly. more complicated than that each battery. cell will produce only a small amount of. energy for one thing so scientists must. combine the cells in huge numbers in. order to regularly power large devices. raising the cost a great deal along with. increasing the complexity so I guess the. battery would have to be big. uh touts the tiny share of the Nano. battery Diamond cells as an advantage.

for scalability though take the battery. for a wristwatch for instance it. consumes around two microwatts uh much. smaller NDB cell would be sufficient. okay so that's smaller than the battery. that's on your watch. that's pretty small so if we need to. power a different application the number. of stacked cells can be increased to. meet the demand that sounds like every. battery listen Bill Gates in the film. says you know he's put a billion dollars. into the battery business he's really. done a lot of exploration and as well. he's doing great work on nuclear but.

he says there's no battery that's gonna. it would take a miracle it's just not. going to happen he says we're going to. need nuclear even he said that and he's. not proud of that but I don't know why. he's running away from it I think we. should be very proud of using nuclear. because it was a tremendous. Discovery by Maui Curry I think a lot of. people are skittish about the. conversation. I've noticed that yeah yeah why doesn't. allegores come in the film the new. convenient truth men even mentioned. nuclear energy yeah it's true good point.

you know it's it's nuts it's nuts all. right can we take a break yep I could. tell you're ready to go you got to pee. yeah okay yeah yeah no worries I'm. almost right back so tritium is the. stuff that they make um that that also. lights up uh the watch hands they put. that stuff inside watches yeah it lasts. for like 25 years yeah I have one of. those I have a marathon watch and it's. uh like even if it's like pitch blackout.

all of the uh our indicators are all lit. up permanently it's really cool. yeah and that's radioactive too and it's. totally safe that's what it looks like. that's what that's what the Fukushima. that's what tritium looks like have you. ever seen it on a watch hand it's really. beautiful like look at click on that. image again Jamie that's what it looks. like yeah so it like lights up. permanently like you have little. you have radiation on your wrist. well that's been the big issue in in the. Fukushima cleanup because they said that.

water is filled with tritium and uh Josh. uh my co-author was uh saying you know I. could drink a gallon of tritium and it. would be about the equivalent to one. banana. so it's a lot of [ __ ] really yeah. you drink a gallon of dradium yeah and. it's about the what what negative aspect. of it he says electrons in it oh wow I. just don't penetrate they don't. so I buy it but I love the fact that my.

watch has these little uh. everyone's screaming you know you can't. dump it in the Pacific that's what the. environment let's say there's wrong you. got the water is is safe because my way. the sea absorbs a lot of radiation. yeah there's a company called ball and. all of their watches use tritium so and. they've been doing it forever like. they've been making these watches for a. long time and they're famous for the.

fact that all their indicators are a. little radioactive things I'm terrible. for the watch Market I never had a watch. for years you never had a watch no I. don't like to keep track of the time I'm. very uh I I know the time in my head. yeah I kind of have a sense of it good. for you. yeah you don't want to be a slave to. this thing exactly yeah I want something. on my wrist telling me what to do. You Still Rock a smartphone though. oh I use a smartphone as little as. possible because it's essential now. they've made it essential that's.

basically a clock anyway you're getting. your time frame yeah I can set an alarm. to it but I wake up on my basically. earlier uh so what the phone the phone. is I just the only thing I don't like. about the phone is I'm always worried. about losing it I lose a lot of time. looking for phone you know why don't. they make a double of this a DNA copy. yeah you can't have two because then. someone else would copy your phone is. that right yeah and they would start. using your phone and it's about copying.

yeah it's about getting access to your. you know whatever you have credit cards. that are on it and all the the data that. they can sell yeah I mean they're. selling data no matter what anyway it's. the weirdest commodity that's ever. existed a thing that people didn't even. know is worth anything are you worried. about losing your phone I mean people. know yeah I worry about losing my phone. yeah I try not to but you probably have. an automatic shut off on your account. right so no one's going to rip you off. for American Express right credit card. yeah but it's still it's very.

inconvenient obviously it sucks it's. inconvenient I use my phone to get in my. car too but it's not dangerous right. it's not dangerous my phone uh operates. my Tesla I don't even have to have my. key just have to have my phone. your phone operates your Tesla yeah how. do you do that before you just it knows. that it's me so the app knows that it's. me so as if it's in my phone and if. rather the phone is in my pocket and I. walk towards the Tesla the door's open. right and let's man it's like knows it's. me like I don't even have to have a key.

on me it's like hey dude I go I don't. have my keys don't worry about it we. know it's you but also somebody could. take your phone and without even. unlocking it they could just start. driving your Tesla that's true too. because you know when you walk towards. the car it just goes off even if your. phone's not even unlocked and that's not. good. because then if somebody gets your phone. then they get your car what makes you so. smart Joe I'm not that smart come on. give me a break where'd you go to school. I'm curious oh dude I barely made it. through high school and then I went to. UMass Boston I was in Newton Newton.

South High School in Massachusetts yeah. suburb outside of Boston yeah I think. the thing that's helped me more than. anything is being on this show and. having conversations with people yeah. it's like when you think of Education as. being something obviously when you sit. in a classroom you're observing a lot. you're getting a lot of education and. the kids today that are going through. the workload that they have to go. through to to put in to get a bachelor's. degree or and then a master's or a PhD. it says insane amount of work right.

you're but you're absorbing information. that's the key the key is that you're. learning about all these different. subjects and absorbing all that. information you prove it with your. degree that's the beauty of also making. films because yeah you get that. opportunity to spend time to luxuriate. in this you get to talk to people too. you mean you get to talk to like yeah. this and that I was so grateful for this. you know I've done 20 fiction films. feature films and I 10 documentaries and.

you want to get out in the field you. want to talk to real people who are. doing things yeah well it's I think it's. so important especially to do the work. that you're you're doing how else could. you relate how else can you can you you. have to get out there well find the. quick thing that's bothering you you. know what what really is bothering you. and in this matter it was of course what. do they mean this is confusing climate. [ __ ] they go forth back and forth. even if you don't believe in climate. change when I found out you thought I. would still go nuclear because it is the. cleanest of all no battery no storage.

absolutely I think there's two schools. of thought when it comes to climate. change there's the school of thought. that it's not an issue it's a natural. cycle and there's a school of thought. that human beings are pushing the world. to the brink of demise right. um I I think human beings are doing a. lot whenever people try to come up with. excuses for things I was like oh. like well it's always been this way. until but how much impact are we having.

instead of looking at it like the. climate's always going to change which. it always does that's the thing about. the climate if you look at the climate. models of when they do ice core samples. when they try to figure out like how. warm it used to be and what the. atmosphere was like it's always changed. I mean it's changed radically but how. much are we [ __ ] it up. but forget about if if it if it's never. static it's never like the climate is. like this right if human beings never. existed internal combustion engines.

never existed you still have volcanoes. you got chaos you got asteroids you got. all kinds of [ __ ] there's no stable. there's no flat safe we get to this. we're on our life vest we're on a life. raft we're gonna make it out no no no no. no no even if I lived in a nice small. town in a Country Town that's that's. what we want right we want this idea but. the reality is the reality is ice ages. the reality is new super volcanoes the.

reality is asteroid impact that's the. reality that those are the horrific. things that radically change the. temperature of Earth and the environment. and and all kinds of things what about. that lady in somewhere in Missouri the. tornado came out of nowhere and just. blew the house away yeah Jesus Christ. that's crazy too those are things that. are NATO I mean yeah those those are. things that are absolutely I saw those. in the midwest while I was shooting you. know especially in Louisiana and Texas.

Panhandle that area yeah they have a lot. of Whirlwind a lot of wind wind shifts. oh it's incredible there's an amazing. video this guy driving at night and the. tornadoes in the distance and you only. see it when the lightning strikes oh God. and it's huge I mean it's it's like city. blocks and it's in the sky this is just. massive funnel and these people are in a. car and they're just driving down the. road watching this it's [ __ ] wild do.

you find it. watch this look at this look at that. look at the. thing. how terrifying is that. it's terrified. terrifying. oh. that's scarier than King Kong Godzilla. all the above real things yeah real. things not nuclear power the the angry. Sky monster that comes down and destroys.

cities there is nuclear power in that. electricity oh yeah you know this was. all came from the beginning the. Supernova that exploded yeah Supernova. is exploding all the time where does it. all start I mean the beginning of the. world we don't really know there's no. beginning no we don't really know if. they're ever I think we have these. biological limitations that we put on. the universe. where does this explosion come from. right and before that was there another. explosion right. but there's a great piece there was a.

great great document around hypernovas. that I watched once and you know when. they first started uh discovering. hypernovas they thought that there was. aliens having war in the sky right. because there was explosions that were. taking place in Far distant portions of. the universe and they were like what is. happening these are happening on a. regular basis and then they realize that. these are hypernovas I never heard of. that yeah they're they they destroy. solar systems they destroy everything. like there's it's such it's an immense.

explosion of power that's beyond our. comprehension and they have it's. happening all the time do you believe in. extraterrestrial life yes yeah 100 100. yeah I just don't know if it's here I. don't know if it's visited but just the. vastness of the universe itself and if. you believe in the concept of infinity. that means the the possibilities of this. happening exactly the way we are are. also infinite it's not it's not it's. Infinity it's really hard to put it in.

your head because it doesn't make sense. but the true Infinity would mean that. everything that you've ever done and. everything that I've ever done and. everything we've ever said and every. piece of paper you ever put down all. that has happened an infinite number of. times in the universe in some other. place. that's how crazy and every other. variable in between that's how crazy. Infinity is so I think that if we.

if we imagine that we're the only ones. that seems silly it just it doesn't even. make sense it's just too it's kind of. like nuclear power because you talk. about nuclear power to people you go way. nuclear bombs nuclear bad nuclear is. dangerous nuclear is dangerous. I think we think that way about aliens. because I think there's been so many. Kooks that have had so many fake stories. and so many doctored photos and. everything's blurry and just weird. people that probably lied and then.

compelling stories that are really. confusing like really intelligent people. like Commander David forever who was a. fighter jet pilot in 2004 and. encountered this thing that they track. going from 50 000 feet above sea level. to 50 in a second I think I saw was. there a clip there's video of this yeah. I think I saw yeah there's a video of. this thing they they tracked they think. it was interacting with something that. was submerged there as I closed and then. this thing when it jetted off at this.

insane rate of speed first of all it. blocked their tracking it it blocked. their um whatever their radar whatever. whatever sensors that they were using. and then it shot off at an insane rate. of speed and stopped at their cat point. which is the point point where they're. the predetermined point where they were. going to meet up in this exercise that. they were doing this thing went to that. spot and it was 20 feet long and looked. like a Tic Tac and it was just hovering.

like a Tic Tac like a candy a little. white Tic Tac candy. so they called the Tic Tac UFO when I. talked to guys like that when I talk to. guys like that I go well if it's not a. UFO if that's not from another planet. that's maybe more scary than if the. Chinese have something that's that. advanced that can move like that is this. some new type of technology that might. be available to the the. probably just like the high-end military.

applications that they're using for. drones and all these different. propulsion methods if they've figured. something that crazy out it's kind of. game over if they can go 50 000 feet. above sea level to 50 in a second like. what is that well if they wanted to use. it they would have done it by now. perhaps or perhaps it's an alien or a. probe from some alien planet or it's. something. non-biological maybe they've gotten past. the necessity of biological if you're an.

alien wouldn't you want to visit this. place and hundreds. culture no definitely not why not the. same reason why did you watch chimp. Empire. who chimp Empire it's this amazing. documentary series that's on Netflix. right now and it's about these embedded. uh journalists who uh document. chimpanzee life in uh this part of the. very deep in the jungle called a place. called in GoGo and it's incredible. because the scientists that laid the. groundwork for this documentary they've.

been studying this particular group of. chimpanzees for 30 years so the. chimpanzees have become completely fine. with them being around they have like. rules of interaction they they have to. stay within I think 20 yards of the. chimpanzees at all time and as long as. they do that the chimpanzees behave as. if they don't exist and they they enact. in war they kill monkeys they hunt they. they've defend their territory they take.

over New Territory they do all the stuff. in front of people. but they don't interact with the. chimpanzees and they don't interact they. don't interrupt their life I think. that's what the aliens do with us. because that's what we do with. intelligent primates why would you do. any different if you were an alien I. think if I was an alien life form I. would make sure that the chimps don't. blow themselves up like if chimpanzees. and in GoGo if all of a sudden they've. developed TNT and they started soldering. and they're building bombs and they're.

planting okay hold on fellas you can't. blow yourselves up you can't you can't. just be blowing the jungle up and. starting fires let's stop if I was in. alien life form I would treat human. beings the same way that I as a human. being would treat chimpanzees if they. started developing bombs I feel like we. need to get the bombs away from The. Chimps I would if if chimpanzees. developed like missiles and they started. shooting missiles at each other through.

the jungle you don't you think we'd be. like hey hey hey cut the [ __ ] you're not. even people only people are kill people. like that. I think if alien life forms do exist I. think the most likely strategy is the. one that we use on higher primates on on. Lower primates rather. we don't interfere. we observe but the the true scientists. they just sort of stand back and watch. and the chimpanzees don't seem to have. any problem with these people being. around that's occasionally they get. curious and when they start walking.

towards the person the person just keeps. backing up and as long as they stay a. certain distance the chimp loses. interest it's really weird you just. can't eat in front of them ever. and you you know just can never like. Raise Your Voice you can't behave in a. threatening way and they just interact. with the chimps and this documentary is. coming up it's out right now it's out on. Netflix it's fantastic it's really. fantastic but learning too much too the. point is like I think that if there are. aliens I think they would do the same.

I think they would just watch. just make sure we don't blow ourselves. up watch and maybe maybe you know let us. know occasionally that we're not alone. that's what I would do I would I would. like just like the scientists had to. slowly habituate themselves with the. chimpanzees they had to slowly do it. they did it it was the first two. chimpanzees ran and then they had to. figure out some sort of uh way that they. can just be around them enough the.

chimpanzees relaxed and as soon as they. realize they were never a threat and. then generations of them realized they. were never a threat then they could do. the work that they're doing. pretty wild stuff I think that would do. that if I was an alien I would just sit. around and watch well that's why people. have dogs and cats I love cats are great. they watch us you know yeah sure I think. it is an alien form isn't it a cat oh. yeah sure so are dogs wolves wolves are. I mean what a bizarre aliens love degree.

I mean a goldfish for that matter is an. alien form oh my God now some of the. most alien looking stuff is in the ocean. for sure oh yeah I mean octopuses are. the most bizarre they're smarter here. they're so smart there's they figure out. jars they know how to unscrew jars and. they also they can camouflage themselves. to look exactly like the floor have you. ever seen octopuses do that no oh my God. you have to see this my friend Remy. Warren he used to have a show called. apex predator and it was a what he would.

do is like study all of the different. methods the different apex predators. used. and uh and see like is there anything. you can emulate as a human being but. this shows some footage of octopuses uh. camouflaging themselves to their. environment it's insane it's alien and. this is what Remy said he goes dude. they're aliens he goes you've never seen. anything like it I and he had no idea. until he filmed this show I don't think. of of how complex their ability to blend. in is.

but that's octopus. which one right there the thing you're. looking at they make themselves look. like plants. they make themselves look like Coral. they make themselves look like rock. watch when they get over it look look. how it changes color depending on is. that what he's on yes that's octopus. look at that watch what he does. he Blends in with the plant. it's pretty wild. and he Blends in with the texture of the. soil underneath the plant.

is that because there's a predator. around no because he's a predator. I see so as these these uh fish swim in. looking to eat. this octopus is hiding like they have. octopuses that that kill sharks there's. a there's a video of uh they had this. see Google octopus kill shark and. Aquariums Jesus Christ yeah they. camouflage themselves to look like. anything look at this watch how it does. this wow. just get some good footage of what they. do when they get over things but when.

they get over it they've done it like. cuttlefish which are also uh similar I. think they're called cephalopods they. they do it where they've done them where. they try to emulate a chessboard oh. Jesus yeah how bizarre is this very. I mean what a crazy little thing that's. moving around the bottom of the ocean. changing its texture changing its colors.

to look exactly like the environment. like look at this thing it's [ __ ]. bonkers. that's an alien I mean if we found out. on another planet we would be like what. the [ __ ] is that thing for the dod. studying it trying to make octopus uh. weapons yeah they probably put probably. definitely have studied these things. figure out how are they doing this yeah. instead they're Sushi we turn them into. Sushi that's right. we just Grill them that's scary that's.

an insanely fascinating animal that we. just eat. you know we just don't we think of them. as being so far removed from us that. they're they're okay to eat. well if you think about it no I mean I. stopped eating eels and octopus I don't. know why just and I stopped eating me. you know about a few years ago how do. you feel I feel great do you eat eggs. once an oil yeah yeah a chicken I don't.

eat at all but eggs is different I think. they're earlier chickens well they're. not even earlier chickens they they. never become chickens because there's no. rooster oh they're just non-fertilized. eggs they're totally it's like Karma. free yeah like as long as the chickens. live in a good life the only Karma that. you have is you're keeping the chicken. from getting laid that's the only Karma. right uh well I don't want it to be. chickens I don't want to eat at all they. look I mean I saw that Netflix. documentary years ago Game Changer you.

ever seen that yes I have yeah yeah it's. just turned me off turned you off to. what meat yeah yeah. it's that's a complex conversation yeah. human beings been eating meat since the. beginning of time yeah and a lot of the. problems with these studies that are. associated with whether or not meat is. bad for you yeah a lot of these things. are what they're doing is basically. they're asking you to take a survey and. if you say you ate meat four times a. week or five times a week and then they. make some sort of a correlation they say. well the people that ate meat more.

consistently had more cancer more this. more diabetes all these things which uh. may be true but also what else did they. eat because if they ate meat five times. a week I guarantee you they were. drinking Coca-Cola I guarantee you. they're eating bread I guarantee you. they're eating spaghetti I guarantee you. they were to eating candy I guarantee. you Monster energy drinks I mean I want. to know what the [ __ ] they ate I don't. tell me that because the people that ate.

meat more because people that eat meat. more generally if you go by the. narrative the same kind of narrative. that you have about nuclear power that. it's bad for you if you go by that. narrative the people that shuck it off. and don't give a [ __ ] those are the same. people that smoke cigarettes and drink. whiskey they don't care if it's bad for. you they're going to eat meat right but. that doesn't mean meat's bad for you no. because if they did a real study on like. what happens when people eat nothing but. grass-fed meat from and fruit and. vegetables from an organic farm let's.

monitor that right and I bet they would. do a lot [ __ ] better than the. standard American right that's the. problem the problem isn't mean the the. problem is what kind of meat what are. you eating with meat people have been. eating meat since the beginning of time. sure it's not that's not the problem and. if you look at human beings you look at. photos of people on the beach in 1970. right yeah you ever see that or 1950. 1960. and then look at people on the. beach today yeah that's not meat that's.

not me that's sugar that's sugar that's. yes an abundance of complex. carbohydrates an abundance of simple. carbohydrates an abundance of food just. too much food I noticed way more food. than your body is burning off you get. bigger and bigger and bigger and the. food is addictive it's addictive. especially during the Depression 1930s. oh my God it was photographs it's quite. shocking that yeah they didn't well also. preservatives have allowed us to like.

store things on shelves people binge eat. in the middle of the night it's like on. the other hand we did muscle up a lot. didn't we oh yeah we got more jacked. yeah we I think people also learned too. they ate more ate more protein got. larger learned how to exercise better it. became more of a thing like actually you. really should just do it and whereas. before it was probably seen as a luxury. you know people had to work all the time. was harder lives they didn't think of. getting fit and muscular as being.

important what about women yeah do you. ever talk about that with them I mean. why did should they work out oh yeah. everyone should work out I think every. just to maintain your body. you just want to do it in a way where. you're not going to get hurt that's the. most important thing do it in a really. smart way if you can do it with a. trainer but everyone should do something. whether it's yoga or push-ups or sit-ups. and chin-ups and body weight stuff you. can get an amazing workout done with a. chin up bar and just your body just your.

physical body weight you don't really. need to go to a gym but you really. should get someone to show you how to do. stuff if you don't know how to do it and. it helps if someone can help you write. out a program that's like a good program. for someone who's if they assess like. your physical ability they don't you. don't want to get like a person who just. started to go run like David Goggins. that would be ridiculous but you want. them to be able to build up and can and. and build up in a way where the body's. recovering and they they continue to. push themselves but they're not getting.

hurt yeah that's uh that's what you got. to do now I say that to everybody I. think everybody should do that it's just. my suggestion I know people that are. very happy that don't um they don't. exercise at all it is possible it's just. not possible for me and I don't know. what it what it's like for everybody. else because I'm not you but I can only. tell you how it feels for me and for me. you know I uh I believe the people that. say they don't need to exercise maybe. everyone's different it seems like we. are anyway with everything else yeah but. for most people if you just want to.

maintain your physical frame if you want. to maintain your functionality of your. body I really think it's imperative. I don't. I don't I don't you know I don't know. what makes less sense if you just if you. don't use your body it breaks down and. then you can't get around and that sucks. and when you can't get around then you. would we'd be willing to do anything to. get it motion again but you can mitigate. a lot of that by exercise a lot of it.

just keep your body fit and strong and. you don't have to worry as much about. all the things that plague people you're. gonna have to worry we're getting old. but you worry less you worry less if. your body works well much less. well you know we got onto this with. climate change yeah I was saying to you. that you know climate change if it. didn't exist which I believe it does but. if it didn't exist I'd still I'd still. Advocate nuclear energy because it's.

clean yeah I think I think that's. absolutely a great point and uh the ipcc. when they did their you know that's I. believe them they their body of. scientists there's a lot of them I mean. it's I think 200 of them no I believe in. them and the ipcc says 2050 is is a. marking point that they meet and they. you go back and you check their charts. from 1980s and you find that from 1980. to 2000 they were accurate and then you. go from 2000 to 2020 and they're.

accurate very close to Accurate in fact. there were a little bit more optimistic. but uh now this so you have to believe. it as a 40-year span now we're looking. at this what doesn't make sense to me is. the illogic of pursuing this path of CO2. considering these charts and saying what. they're saying I mean. yeah absolutely you see the Hurricanes. you see the winds you see that the. storms are bigger seems to me well I. don't know if they're bigger I I think.

uh they're they're I think the our new. argument is that what is what is the. actual stats on because people say that. all the time like storms are bigger than. they've ever been before I don't think. that's true I think the storms have. actually lessened in intensity but. increased in um the amount of them I. think that's the data but all of it's. not good whatever we're doing see the. problem with me with climate change is. that I I I always get wary When Things. become ideological exactly when people.

start talking about it like you know. like listen you've got to act now and if. you don't I'm like oh hold on how much. do you know about this and how much are. you just saying a narrative right. because a lot of people want to argue. ferociously about a narrative that they. they've even really looked into that. much. and it's that's the thing about on both. sides even the Republican side the. people that want to dismiss it like I. was having a conversation with a guy Jiu. Jitsu once of all places like it's a. natural cycle no matter what it's. natural cycle the Earth warms I go how.

much work have you done on this do you. know how crazy it is to like be that. sure when no one's sure that's the whole. reason why they're having this debate is. because no one can definitively prove. how much of an impact we're going to. have on us in 100 years 150 years or. what's going to happen no one can how. can you be so confident that it's just a. natural cycle but it's a right-wing. perspective like he had bought into this. it's all [ __ ] it's a natural cycle. Mike bro how do you know but you know. because you don't like the people that.

think that we have to ban. cars that use internal combustion. engines you don't like the people that. think we have to stop and close coal. plant you don't like those people you. think those people are annoying so if. you've decided to be annoying in the. opposite way right and that's what it is. you know whether when you go to a city. with horrible air like yeah like Los. Angeles used to be like India is you. know how do you feel terrible well. there's also an issue with brake dust. you know when you're in a very crowded. Urban environment you're you know brake.

dust that stuff that you get on your. wheels no you don't know breakdown says. um when you're using uh the brakes in. your car what's happening is there's. this hydraulic pad that presses against. a disc and the friction of that is what. stops your car from moving forward. right okay so when that happens it makes. powder and this powder goes in the air. and the powder gets all around your. wheels if you've ever cleaned your. wheels if you ever have like a nice car.

and you want to clean your wheels. there's all this black [ __ ] in there. that black [ __ ] is brake dust and that. black shit's everywhere. it's all over the place brake dust. contributes to 20 percent of the fine. particulate matter pollution compared to. just seven percent contributed by. exhaust fumes as all cars give off brake. dust there is no such thing as a truly. zero emission vehicle. an electric car same thing yep same. thing same method of of slowing the.

record yeah of slowing the car down it's. the most effective method we know of. and that's that's what happens. yeah does it happen less than carbon. fiber breaks. is it the same effect on carbon fiber. bricks. Google that well you have encyclopedia. here yeah because they don't show up. what's interesting is when you have. carbon fiber breaks it doesn't leave. that dust all over your wheels. at least I don't think it does I don't. think it leaves the same amount. does it say anything.

uh yeah carbon fiber breaks brake dust. yeah here it goes they're quieter than. organic or metallic pads and produce. less dust. there it is they also last significantly. longer can tolerate a greater range of. temperatures and fade less as they heat. up track report says I have a car that. has those. well I'm learning a lot here yeah carbon. ceramic brakes produce virtually zero. brake dust.

I mean like they literally do not dust. at all that does not sound scientific. like how he says I mean like they. literally do not dust at all what's on. the wheels will be what's on your paint. normal road dirt from driving around. yeah that's that's what I've found just. from driving around with my car let me. ask you this question then because you. make me very curious uh. I'm I'm that's the pessimism in the air. that you feel the dystopia in movies you. constantly see it hate those movies you. know there's always about negative uh.

The Sensational stuff and the news is. awful the media is just thrives on. Sensational bad news I mean yes war is. this that so uh they make you afraid do. you think this is like we should be. afraid do you want to live afraid what. are you afraid of those questions I. don't think we should be afraid but I. think we should be aware and I don't. think that um the look this this demise.

fear it exists because it happens. like civilizations collapse you can go. visit ancient Rome you can look around. you can see the Coliseum they're not. there anymore those people are gone. right the people that built that and. that's just gonna happen it's gonna. happen to us too and it's going to. happen to us biologically too so there's. there's this constant fear of so many. different things that we have that we. carry around with us all the time as you. hold a Day of the Dead skull.

so you know okay I don't think it's. healthy I don't think it's healthy to. live your life embracing that I think. you got to be aware of it but um you. gotta live in the moment as stupid and. corny as that sounds that's the only way. otherwise you're gonna be freaking out. from anxiety yeah if you if you don't if. you can't just live in the moment you're. always going to have too much anxiety in. my experience with me at least that's. what people these people who talk about. radioactive waste they're thinking like. yeah ten thousand years ahead and even.

then it's it's the radioactive isotope. just decays and decays well not only. that like if they really do have. technology currently available where. they can convert that into batteries and. well that's great this is. 99 it decays so yeah what's you can. swallow the uh one percent. right you can. you can swallow it yeah not a lot though. right I really don't swallow it all the. time. [Laughter].

well you know there is a certain amount. of radioactive material in our bodies. sure. the banana is very is the most. radioactive of the food some of the weed. I mean you probably can [ __ ] you'll. probably find some other foods that are. I don't know what foods are radioactive. I know uh airplane travel is banana yeah. you want to check that out James I bet. rocks are aren't they like rocks yeah. sure yeah. uh banana contains about 450 milligrams.

of potassium and when eaten exposes the. consumer to about. 0.01 mm due to its K40 content wow. a chest x-ray just delivers 10 mrem. so there you go yeah interesting so it's. the tiniest amount yeah. interesting 100 bananas to get there you. need 100 bananas to get to that one one. oh 0.1 okay.

what about air travel like isn't that. like getting an x-ray they say. stewardess is in in Pilots absolutely do. they eat three times a level yeah are. they in danger no they just absorb it. over time so their body gets cut some. people will tell you. we're exposed to low levels of radiation. when we fly you'd be exposed to about. 0.035 million years okay of cosmic. radiation if you were to fly in the. United States from the east coast to the.

West Coast this amount of radiation is. less than the amount of radiation we. received from a chest x-ray. okay less interesting well that's those. are the most severe things the x-rays. the dental and uh and MRIs when did. doctors start leaving the room when the. X-ray happened I don't know like when do. they get hip to the family get the [ __ ]. out of here I'm doing this every day. I don't know well I want to know that. when because they must have stayed in. the room for a while like I want to see. this thing get really we're nervous. they're like. you stay here bro it's like they're.

setting a ball. right they're setting a bomb. yeah. when did they start doing that I'm. checking I don't know how well when you. think about things like the Iridium. girls you know with the the horrible. yeah radium girls rather the horrible. well now he kill he died eventually from. handling radium oh right right look what. this is how many years how many years of. it did you do it okay the shields.

okay. have to be around then right they were. wearing a shield like a [ __ ] like a. jouster well I mean that's what they. give you at the dentist office I'm. trying to figure out like how to it's. not giving me a great answer on when. they start to do it can you go to ramsar. m-a-r-r-a-m-s-a-r Iran just there was. something interesting in here ramsar. yeah that's the uh Radioactive the. springs that they go to oh right where. you were saying in this area is.

here. okay. uh. hbras of ramsar gamma radiation levels. are up to about 20 msv HR at waste level. and a population of about 2 000 lives in. this area annual exposure levels range. from about 20 to 260 mgy for people in. hot areas so and they don't seem to. suffer any sort of Health complications. from this.

the radioactivity is due to local. geology underground water dissolves. radium in urine. uraniferous uriniferous indigenous Rock. and carries the surface through at least. nine known Hot Springs these are used as. Spas by locals and tourists yeah. wow. so they're getting a radioactive bath. and the black beaches of Brazil yeah you. can ask for that yeah sure that's.

another one similar sort of a situation. right yeah less radio can you run black. beaches yeah he's doing it Brazil he's. just trying to find some good footage of. it some people can see what it looks. like. half I don't know half I should put the. other one just was but I almost I don't. know the comparison okay so half-ish so. 170 msv every year. hmm. interesting it's a radioactive Beach. that's a movie isn't that a movie yeah.

it is. old older older it's an M Night. Shyamalan that's just moving out yeah. yeah I just watched it pretty good. it's one of them movies you know. um what's called old yeah that's what. it's about yeah. but in that movie it's not so good. I mean I want to give a spoiler right. away but. yeah. so the the concern that people have. um about radiation about about overblown.

exaggerated and. now that you put together this. documentary what's next like how old how. else do you kind of get this message. we're going everywhere I mean I'm we. went to all the Harvard we went to MIT. we're going to how's it being received. very well by people who know yeah you. know it's I can't tell you we haven't. we're going June 6 which is next week. June 6 we're going wide with the digital. we'll be on iTunes Amazon Google Google.

Play. uh as that says it's not a Netflix. wouldn't take it really that's why I'm. we have to struggle with this thing we. have to get the word out and we have a. great foreign in Korea I think I have. just contributed to a sale I was just. there why do you think Netflix wouldn't. take this because it's controversial and. then you know it's just but they have a. lot of controversial stuff on that. flight why are they scared even game. changers is controversial well. okay why do you think I have to ask you.

I don't know that's why I'm asking you. well that's what that's the problem it. just doesn't seem like I don't know why. they turned down the documentary is. brilliant and I can't imagine well it's. why anybody would not want well this is. again untold history they turned down. Putin interviews you know you know it's. just every time I go into a area is it a. business decision. I mean what is that decision it can't. untold history is also fantastic like. what what is that decision based on is.

it controversy are they trying to avoid. a certain kind of political controversy. it's my fate is that what it is. it's uh it's a bummer though isn't it. yeah that's a bummer so but anyway we. get we'll get out this way and we're. gonna go we'll go you know we just keep. going around the world I'm going to. England to do a to address the Royal. Institution of something or other and uh. scientists and it's going to be. available on iTunes it's also going to.

be available on Amazon Prime video. Google Play Google Play and really. ladies and gentlemen I can't urge you. enough go go watch it watch it and take. in the information because it's pretty. stunning and it's um it's really well. put together and the fact that it's a. difficult message to get out there it's. kind of disheartening because it really. does have hope it's a hopeful film it's. a film that's like hey wake up we've got. a real solution I wanted to make it.

hopeful at the end and I it has a I. think a very uplifting ending because it. can be done and why we behave like we. can't hide from this right we have to be. like Hyman rickover that kind of. attitude yeah go forward and. can do what what kind of resistance have. you received from uh people when you're. bringing this film Out have there been. any well I'll tell you exactly I mean. some we went to uh early we went to. Venice film festival and you know I. could feel that there was fear about it.

you know fear about it screening then. you know you send it to the U.S. festivals or like Telluride and you know. Sundance and those ones and and one one. lady who runs one of these festivals. told. um my agent she says you know it's a. great movie and I hate it I don't want. to run it. that's sort of kind of a strange. attitude it's just crazy you know it's. like no it's going to create a. controversy but I I just don't want to. have anything to do with it you know so. she might be from the 70s that. generation she's you know listened to uh.

Ralph Nader she's terrified I don't know. well it's one of those things I I in. growing up with the fear of Three Mile. Island and Chernobyl I I was terrified. of nuclear power I was glad when they. stopped using it when I heard they were. still using I was like that's terrible. why would they use nuclear power because. I didn't know because we were I had no. politically correct right well it was. just this message and again it's a great. plot line for film yeah so I wish I. could do it as a fiction but I don't.

know how uh maybe I can come someone one. of your customers how could you do it as. a fiction. I feel like you you could I'm sure. it would happen hmm. that you'd have to figure out some way. where it's significant. that it happens in a two-hour film. something that's going to take place. over the next like five ten years of. construction of these problems you get. into a female scientist Saves the World.

kind of scenario you know it doesn't it. gets to be yeah you know the lone. scientists yeah that's what happens. today right yeah yeah it's very strange. the guy who made a big short he was very. talented Adam McKay and he did that film. with the star cast about uh. he thinks the world is going to end in. six years he told me you know he really. he thinks there's a definite date you. know you there are a lot of strange. theories out there you saw the film what.

I'm talking about no DiCaprio Streep was. in it what movie is this what's it. called. I don't think I saw it Adam McKay last. film. yes you saw it. I bet I didn't I have terrible taste but. it was bogus in the sense that it was. about an asteroid or something look up. don't look up is what it's called don't. look up oh I didn't I didn't watch that. it wasn't I heard it was good though is. it about an asteroid yeah.

uh yeah. I mean problem coming I heard it was. great. well but I didn't watch it why not uh. just didn't have the time I just other. things were more interesting to me uh. there's a water in this thing too if. you'd like oh yeah and there's coffee as. well if you've got some of that. um not not that it wasn't interesting I. just never you know it's like there's. some it's really just a abundance of. choices there's so much to watch like I. definitely want to watch it and I was. going to get around to it eventually but.

I don't watch that much stuff I'm too. busy so I don't have the time to like be. if I'm gonna do that it's like once a. week twice a week do you see the last. six game I I did not no you did not I. generally don't watch basketball but it. gets exciting at the end it is very. exciting when you get to the company I. love what when I do watch it I love. basketball I love any athletic events I. love watching people compete it's. exciting yeah it's fun I enjoy it a lot. it's just uh I can only watch the the.

for the amount of time that I have and. the interest that I have I can only. really watch one sport which is jujitsu. martial arts so that's that's really. it's Combat Sports this is the only. sport that I could really watch on a. regular basis. USC that's UFC but the Combat Sports. that's boxing wrestling it's everything. like that's the I concentrate on Combat. Sports are you gonna watch the seventh. game which is on Monday night tonight I. do not know you should I may just force.

myself it's a great story you know that. was a great story yeah tell me the story. because uh what you might call it Jeffy. thinks it's so funny I know how much we. have to catch you up Joe to go find out. what's going on tonight game seven. there's a whole lot one team is it was. up three nothing which team uh the uh. Miami Heat Miami Heat they were up three. nothing three nothing and the other team. uh Boston Celtics they've been around. forever they came back they won the last. three games the skin of the teeth. this is the first time anybody's got the.

3-0 and wanna come back and that they've. gotten back to the seventh game four. times but only one time like the last 30. years I had a question to me to a sports. fan would be what's what's the outcome. what's is it going to work for the for. the underdog now or no I'm excited or. does he one who was the original. Underdog was Miami I wasn't excited. until now now the Celtics have been. terrific team and they're a great. experience and here they were down and. they've come back so what is the what is. the outcome will the gods intervene uh.

the Trojans or the or the uh the Trojans. or the uh Greeks I mean you kind of have. to know it's a battle you know well. that's why things of chance are so. fascinating yeah that's why boxing is so. fascinating so I did you watch the uh. um Devin Haney uh lomachenko fight no I. missed that it was uh this insane fight. and lomachenko who is the older guys. about 35 years old just served in. Ukraine he's a Ukrainian and he served.

protecting his country for like a year. took a year off of boxing and then came. back and had this insane fight with. Devin Haney it was insane it was so good. it was just this crazy back and forth. fight that most people thought or a lot. of people rather thought lomachenko. should have got the decision and he. didn't get the decision it's very. unfortunate when stuff like that happens. too because then people don't appreciate. how good Devin Haney's performance was. because they're they're all they're. thinking about is lomachenko should have. won but Devin Haney fought amazing too.

it's a very good fight it was a really. really top high-end fight like the. consequences of that going into a fight. like that when you're watching something. like that like anything can happen and. it's such a wild risk that you're gonna. do this for a living and then you're. going to get to the Pinnacle of the. world champion the greatest two 135. pound Fighters alive and they go to war. in front of the world. and watching something like that to me.

it's it's so uh overwhelming there's so. there's so much I'm so interested in it. that I don't have really time for this. Awards what about dating do you date no. I'm married. yes I have plenty of time I have time. for stuff man but I have to be smart. about what I do and uh I can't get too. involved in too many different things. because I get obsessed with them I don't. want to be watching all the basketball.

games that's like if you think about how. many hours a week it is if you have. basketball football baseball all these. different things you're watching as well. there's no time left where's your time. coming from right there's no way right. so even though I think it's very. enjoyable I would enjoy it very much I. just stay away because I just can't get. involved in too many different things. well I relax sometimes with idle time I. let myself okay I'm off I'm off I'm off. dude that's a good move and I just enjoy.

uh watching old movies which are have. nothing to do with the world today which. is more like a fantasy life I love that. I love fantasy I spend a lot of time in. it I guess yeah it's good to do it's. good to be bored too it's good to just. sit around good to be idle it's good to. sit around and just be alone with your. thoughts sometimes I know I think we're. so constantly being inundated with other. people's thoughts it's like this is part. of the thing that happens to with social. media as well I think it's uh it's it's. also just the way people behave on.

social media is an after effect of it is. you're just constantly inundated with. people's opinions and thoughts on things. because you're always looking at. something you're always looking at a. television you're always looking at a. phone you're always listening to music. you're always listening to people talk. there's always someone giving you input. always except when you're asleep except. when you're asleep do you sleep yes. normal hours yeah I get seven at night I. like seven and nine eight at night if. I'm working out really hard but seven. tonight is good yeah seven at night.

seems to be function eight is ideal. right but seven is like I can I can. perform pretty well at seven very good. but if I'm under seven I get Dumber by. the hour like whatever the hour is like. if they're like five hours I'm dumber. than six four hours I'm dumber than five. certainly haven't been dumb today you've. been pretty sharp thank you very much I. got some sleep on that note I think uh I. should get out of here Oliver you're uh. a brilliant person and I appreciate you.

very much and it's always a pleasure to. talk to you and I think your work is. amazing both your your fiction films and. these documentaries and this one that. you have right now nuclear now I think. is one of the most important ones that. I've ever watched because I think uh you. and this film and just the conversations. about it can counter this sort of. destructive narrative that people have. about that. I hope so thank you I appreciate it very. much my pleasure thank you all right bye. everybody.

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