Joe Rogan Experience #1986 - Jack Carr

[Music]. by night. all right we're up and we are up are you. good to see you man great to see you. this is awesome to have another one done. oh it feels great but there's another. one in the work so it doesn't really it. doesn't really stop I mean I hear some. guys like John Grisham talk about they. do six months of work and six months off.

and that's kind of that the routine that. they've gotten on but uh but for me it's. go go go this the next one scripts. although do you ever anticipate doing. like a six month on six month off thing. or maybe when the kids are out of the. house maybe someday way later on but. right now it's still building it's just. like any entrepreneurial type of venture. you gotta just go and keep building and. take advantage of momentum and look for. gaps in the enemy's defenses and adapt. and just go go go go so it's uh it's a. constant thing from the second I wake up. till everybody else is in bed and I'm. working for a few more hours yeah you.

got to make hay while the Sun's shining. yeah I think about that too with the. podcast I'm like one day you know I do. so many things sometimes I'm like one. day maybe I'll just do one thing I don't. know you'd be able to do that I don't. know I don't think I'm Bill have you. ever been bored. I don't even know what that means. neither do I no I never people talk. about being bored like I'm gonna hear. that from one of our kids I'm like. that's like the one thing that that gets. me yeah but because I've never been. bored in my life at things if someone. takes me to a Gala I have to dress like.

a monkey sit there and wait how many of. those of you you don't do those anymore. do you I had to do one recently yeah or. a friend yeah there's an art thing that. was going on here so I had to dress up. and Oh my Jesus Christ every now and. again it's okay maybe but maybe it was. okay because I was next to my friend. yeah his wife and my wife it was fun but. it's for the most part it's like that's. the only time I get bored. yeah then I get hostile then I gotta. have a couple of drinks so I get a. little hostile how do you are people. nervous when you're there no they get.

weird feeling weird man just looking at. you that you're there yeah people stare. at me really yeah it's it's gotten. exponentially weirder over the last like. three years I used to be able to blend. in yeah five years ago I could blend in. anyway yeah just people say hi but that. would be it okay now so now it changes. the dynamic of the room type of thing. yeah it's weird I'm not changing the. dynamic of any room I don't think but uh. but people definitely in the airport. stop and say hi and I feel so just. fortunate that people are interested. enough in the books or the podcast or. the TV show or whatever to actually.

recognize me and say hi one guy. recognize me by my sick of backpack last. night oh wow flying out here and he's. like the backpack gave you away cause my. I was in the corner calling my wife on. Mother's Day and my mom on Mother's Day. both and uh he said well no it was the. gray one it's The Drifter so it's just. it just Blends but it has a little sick. assembly and uh he said the backpack. gave you away I turned around and so I. said hi and but that's it but it's uh. you know I feel extremely fortunate yeah. I do too we're very lucky guys to be. able to do what we love to do yeah you. know when someone meets you too the also. like your writing is so brutal this one.

in particular you're such a nice guy. it's like when someone meets you them. they're like what the [ __ ] is going on. behind those eyes I worry about that. with them I don't spend too much time. worrying about it but like uh our kids. uh parents his friend's parents you know. that sort of thing like did you read his. book it was a little disturbing maybe. our kids shouldn't play over there type. of a thing so oh really I know well I. don't know but that's kind of what I. think about like if I was someone else's. parent it was to read this and not know. me never having met me yeah all of a.

sudden you read this thing like oh maybe. our son or daughter should find another. friend I would worry about that more in. California yeah in California so what. are we drinking here what is this all. right so right here cheers thank you so. much for everything amazing brother. amazing look at this the official Jack. Carr leather colored there it is whiskey. glasses there it is the whiskey glasses. people are very fond of their whiskey. and who made this whiskey doesn't matter. fun so it's very good here we go so this. is Hooten young right there okay so yeah. some veterans car Edition yep jakar.

Edition right here and uh so there's uh. both veterans but uh Norm Hooten was. played by Eric Bana and Black Hawk Down. so he was a Delta operator who's now out. makes these make cigars that I'm going. to show you here in a second cigars too. yep cigars and this this whiskey and I. put them in the show in the terminal. list so on Chris Pratt's uh they're. drinking with Boozer in that first. episode put a little Hooten Young on. there and there's no product placement. in like in the show in the books people. think that that's a huge thing and in a. lot of Hollywood I think it is if. someone's like let me open this tab you. know back in 1985 or whatever but.

there's none of that it's all just. character development tools and so I. want to try to hook up so whoever I can. and these guys put in uh so much time in. service to this nation so it's right on. that right on the counter there in that. first episode but uh that's the best. kind of product placement yeah and it. helps develop the yeah exactly there's. no no one pays to get in in any of these. which is quite I didn't know how I was. going to work with Hollywood because it. was my first time down that road yeah. were gonna say hey you know what you. have this and I know it's important and. I know who the guys are but how about. this company they're paying us so let's.

put that in there instead it wasn't like. that at all which was pretty cool and I. think it's all because Chris Antoine. Fuqua and the showrunner just held the. line and said hey no we're just going to. use these things to make it organic and. authentic and root this whole thing in. this Foundation of operator culture it. also probably helps that you guys are on. Amazon too which is like a fairly new. platform yeah in terms of like streaming. and things it's only like the last. decade or so right Netflix yeah as. opposed to something like NBC or CBS or. ABC which is like probably standard.

operational procedure right to like have. people pay to put Coca-Cola on right. because they need to make money however. they can because they're on their own. competition with Amazon and with Netflix. they're going to come to you with Bud. Light there you go you guys can fix Bud. Light I saw a new one today did you see. the Miller Lite one today yeah like did. just no one learned does no one learn I. mean and they were taking all those ads. that we loved from the 80s and they're. just putting them in shredders yeah that. was their campaign today I saw it this. morning so stupid I mean it I don't know. but once again like there's something. wrong also it's making there's something.

wrong with women wearing bikinis those. women wear bikinis because they look. great they like to look great they take. photos of them looking great the girls. see those photos of them in bikinis they. get excited look I look great people buy. it wow she looks great. it's not bad to look great it's just. like it's not bad for a guy to have a. shirt off yeah if Chris Pratt has his. shirt off and he's looking ripped it's. not objectifying I mean I guess it is. but it's not negative it's not negative. selling movie tickets right there that. that ad is so weird isn't it strange you.

want to watch it let's watch it let's. watch it goof out oh boy here we go I. couldn't believe it this morning they. don't learn no one learns well it's just. in general I think it's kind of those. taking lessons from the past and. applying them going forward as wisdom. how about lessons from a week ago I know. it's not even the past it's like a. couple days ago the only thing that. saves is like maybe they spent a lot of. money on it and they filmed it six. months ago but is that possible already. still yeah there's an article from two. months but still you could put a pause. on that oh it came out two months ago at.

least two months ago okay so it came out. before the [ __ ] right was that about. the same time as the [ __ ] it was. this says it was in honor of women's. history month so I'm like I was as I saw. today I was like maybe there's a reason. they made this and we just started. seeing it but it's also crazy they want. to shred all the good looking pictures. from the 80s and they're buying it back. that was part of the thing they're. buying back all those old ads that. people have I guess in their garage. walls that's what it said in the this. thing that I saw this morning oh God and. they're going to turn it into like yeah.

that's it first to brew beer ever from. Mesopotamia to the middle they're saying. women brewed beer they said they were. the first were the ones doing the. Brewing centuries later how did the. industry pay homage to the founding. mothers of fear put us in bikinis with. awesome pictures like that as hell she. looks hot yeah. I mean look at that those are great oh. my gosh those are great. kind beer made it up to women so today. Miller light is on a mission. really lights on a mission to make sure.

no one buys their stuff. oh my goodness. yeah ladies because that's easy to do. once you get an image up there on the. internet so what is she saying is it. compost towards. beautiful fertilizer. helps Farmers grow quality hops yeah. which has been donated to women Brewers. to make their own really good but. there's definitely more [ __ ] out there.

in your attic in the garage and your. parents basement send any [ __ ] you got. into Miller Lite and they'll turn that. into good [ __ ] too. [Music]. so here's to women because without us. there would be no. oh God I hate identity politics with a. passion I really do it's pretty. interesting it's so stupid it's human. beings made beer okay. and some human beings look good in. bikinis well it's like what are we doing.

it's crazy women do it women do it women. do it I'd like to see a pie chart of how. many women are actually involved in. making beer or drinking beer well now. I'm gonna hold on to all those posters. for Miller Lite that I have from the 80s. in my garage I'm gonna turn that stuff. in it's gonna be worth a lot more now do. you have some no match I wish. it Miller Lite ads with their [ __ ] yeah. no I mean that was crazy to wake up I. mean to see that this morning can you. does paper turn into compost is that how. it works I mean isn't a bunch of. chemicals and [ __ ] why are they lying to.

us why would something like that just. get resurfaced on like a Monday and now. everyone's talking because people are. angry they're looking to be angry two. months that's what I mean like it's been. out for two months we didn't see it. before that I think the Bud Light thing. was probably so overwhelming that no one. paid attention to anything else yeah and. now that that's kind of died down. yeah. that's wrong alcohol and we're on all. that stuff let me do this but I don't uh. don't forget because this is pretty. pretty amazing here I know you like. cigars and and uh as do I and uh this.

right here so these cigars right here. Hooten young the guy that we just talked. to about this uh this whiskey that Jack. car Edition right there oh wow look at. the label this is pretty cool so what. they did it's they called me and and I. was kind of like a million things going. on and and I pick up and they started to. talk to me about this and it gave me. goosebumps and um it's this right here. is World Trade Center steel whoa yeah. World Trade Center steel the guys that. put this together aren't just uh Hooten. yeah aren't just Norm hoot and there's. some I'm gonna call them two Army.

Rangers and uh a special forces guy. but we can talk more about them just. incredible human beings who have. sacrificed so much for this nation and. so they they did this and then he kept. talking to me and he said under these. cigars under each one right here so if I. pull one of these out. you can see that there is some dirt. under each one of these right here and. it's laminated in there over the top so. there's dirt and there's a little. laminate over it and each one of these.

comes from a special place and uh. right here D-Day invasion sacred sand. recover from Omaha Beach in Normandy. right there largest amphibious invasion. in history so they have that there. Iranian hostage crisis April 24th 1980. operation Eagle Claw so that's when they. went in to try to rescue the American. hostages in Iran Tehran and they landed. at a place called desert one uh one of. the refueling. [Music]. Birds hit one of the or one of the. refueling c-130s hit one of the.

helicopters and there was an explosion. and uh people died and they had to. report the mission they had enough. helicopters to keep going so they. brought dirt back from that there is not. much dirt that they brought back but. there's some in here and a battle of. Mogadishu October 3rd to 4th 1993. operation Gothic serpent uh sand. smuggled from the Blackhawk Down crash. site in Mogadishu Somalia [ __ ] under. there World Trade Center attack. operation enduring Freedom the steel.

right here and uh Saddam Hussein. operation Iraqi freedom for March 20th. 2003 so there is dirt from some amazing. dates in Special Operations in military. history in here and each one of these. cigars you can sell right here has. there you go right here you right there. so wow yeah that's incredible amazing. yeah Putin young and then some guys that. are that are out there at the at the tip. of the spear that have uh have access to.

this dirt from places like operation. Eagle Claw uh desert one outside of. Toronto Ron is uh is in here so I'll put. that back in we're gonna save these for. some special occasion that's that's. amazing yeah so I was blown away so they. made one for you made one for me and so. we're the only two people to uh to have. these that's very cool yeah operator. cigars right there and there you are wow. young crossed on the ox right there. um yeah pretty amazing very cool yeah. have you smoked one of these yet not yet. not yet just uh it arrived just hours.

before I got here so. pretty cool pretty cool that's great so. thank you guys and the guys at the tip. of the spear who put this together yeah. thank you yeah that's incredible yeah. absolutely amazing and this stuff. launches I think today you have to wait. for the government there's all sorts of. things you have to hop through you know. before yeah before they approve it and. so this stuff I think it's launching. tomorrow or today when this thing. launches but um so that'll be out there. and what's crazy is you have to go. through these patent things so not like. uh trademark stuff you know with. attorneys and things and there's.

different. um uh little categories so you have to. have subcategories if you want to patent. the across tomahawks so I have lawyers. doing all that and part of that's. whiskey and uh and so they did the. Whiskey one and like right away the the. Jack Daniels lawyers boom right on it. like they are very aggressive when it. comes to any whiskey that has Jack in it. even though it's obviously a different. label a different style bottle different. you know no no connection they get upset. at the name Jack yeah Jack Carr yep yeah. don't they just look at it and go oh. that's the author that well well come on.

Jack Daniels seriously Jack Daniels has. done so much. I know seriously but it's uh but they're. very good they did something with uh. they had like a dog poop uh thing that. was out there with Jack Daniels on it or. something like that you can look that up. but it was a big thing I think it went. to the Supreme Court recently so the. point being they're very aggressive we. do love Jack Daniels um but their. lawyers get a little aggressive and. juxtapose that because while you're. doing this yeah there it is right there. whiskey and poop thing dog toy meat in a.

trademark Clash oh boy that's lawyers. that's just lawyers got a bunch of. people that probably work for the firm. and they're like oh this is an. opportunity to get on the board yeah. they get very aggressive but you. juxtapose that so there's also car wine. and uh so we happen to drink a lot of. that in our household just you know my. dog has one of those really yes Marshall. has one of those he's got a fake Jack. Daniels as a matter of fact there might. be a photo of him with it on his. Instagram page my dog's Instagram has.

like 750 000 followers blowing up. he's so awesome that is awesome adorable. that is awesome but pretty sure in one. of his photos he's got one of those a. rubber bottle of Jack Daniels that might. have spurred this whole lawsuit you know. I wonder but point being it's uh there's. also car wine and there he is there it. is right there look at that oh look at. that that is a great shot so they should. be that's excited that's his best. position yeah that's his uh his favorite. position is cuddling he's when you when.

you watch TV he lops on board and just. puts his head on your chest he's the. best oh we do love Jack Daniels they do. so much for the military I know it's not. them it's something lawyers yeah I mean. also Jack Daniels has been around for. like what 100 years plus. so it's not really Jack Daniels it's. people that assume a position at Jan. Daniels and go after dog toys and. anything with Jack in the title anyways. hopefully we can work through that but. uh but different than the lawyers for. car wine so same situation you have to.

do wine is separate then liquor and that. sort of a thing with trademark works and. all that and so car wine reaches out but. they're like uh hey kind of excuse us. we're big fans but uh I love love what. Jack's doing but uh what do you guys. plan on doing with this wine and it's. really just kind of a series of things. you just do when you apply for a. trademark just to cover things and uh. and they were awesome and I was like. these guys are so fun we drink their. wine anyway been drinking it for years. and uh I was like hey just tell them if. they were if I ever do a wine that if. they were uncomfortable with it I'll. just change it up just whatever they.

wanted you know it'll be totally. different anyway but I'll show it to. them first so I told the attorneys like. just tell them all whatever well put. some wine together so is the company. named car one yeah yes there's car wine. car Vineyards maybe in Northern. California I think and and uh you know. they're they're out there in all the. grocery stores and they're pretty big. but they're good you know good solid. wine and but they were cool about it. yeah super cool super cool yeah their. lawyers reached out but it's the same. situation but you can be cool well you. cannot be cool yeah be cool like Fonzie. yeah. like how hard is this ah well it's.

lawyers I mean it's also that's their. job yeah you know I mean it's like a. scorpion and the Frog it's in my nature. and they're there to protect so I do I. do get it but yeah yeah that's okay but. you still could be nice about it yeah. well hopefully maybe Lube the gears a. little bit yeah maybe. be cool you know so are you guys uh is. season two is on hold now because of the. writer strike well working on the. scripts so it's uh are you allowed to. work on the scripts no I mean I'm not.

part of the guild yet I would be after. this one because I'm writing the finale. but um out of respect for what they have. going on I'm not I'm pencils down on it. too so every all the writers that are. part of the the wga pencils down on all. their projects right now and so the. writer's Guild is only television and. film it has nothing to do with authors. nothing to do with the publishing. industry as far as uh the books and. Simon Schuster and all that stuff and. same thing with video games I learned. video games because they're all writers. for these video games yeah and so that's. not part of it either so people can work. on that stuff but it's the television in.

film and is the main dispute streaming. is that what's going on streaming was. the was been a long time coming uh so. that was coming to a head anyway and. they probably should have negot or not. they should have. um it's been a long time in the works. just because things have changed so much. since the last Rider strike when it. comes to streaming and uh but then right. when they that comes to a head AI hits. the news this January AI with chat GPT. and all that stuff and people are. putting it as you've seen people can. just say hey write a show about X Y or Z. and pops out not bad do a little editing. off it goes and you don't have to pay a.

writer's room so if you're an executive. and you're beholden to I guess you know. shareholders or whatever it is. um maybe that's attractive but not so. attractive to those people who make. their living uh coming up with his ideas. in a writer's room and uh and then. making all this money essentially the. ground the foundation of everything that. we see in film and television happens in. those writer's rooms and happens from. these creators uh and they know they. make a lot of them it's not huge money. uh they're making anyway but it's just. uh how do you deal with streaming and. how do we deal with AI and we'll see. what is the solution to the AI problem. because we're dealing with chat gpt4 now.

and as chat GPT five six and seven roll. out I I would imagine they're going to. be able to write in the style of Jack. Carr and write a perfect James Reese. novel maybe eventually somebody did that. right when it came out I think in. January I got a text and I check your. email is what I just screenshot a chat. gbt I said write the first novel or. first chapter in the next Jack Carr. James Reese terminalist thing and it was. wasn't great but in five years it. probably will be right so and even if. it's not great it maybe is a scaffolding.

for an actual writer to go in and put. some real Flair to it exactly this new. book is really good like I said I think. I'm on chapter 24 or 25. and um you're writing I liked how your. shift your switch your Styles up a. little bit yeah you know like there's. like new elements to the way you do. things like I don't want to give. anything away but when Reese's uh. uh incarcerated yeah yeah there's. there's like there's something to the.

way you're you're doing it differently. it's interesting because you don't have. the same novel every time yeah you pick. some up somebody up and he's a carbon. cut out and you drop him now in Europe. now he's getting revenge now he's in. Africa getting revenge now he's in China. so you know I wanted to avoid that and. that was uh right out of the gate I was. uh I was cognizant of that being. something that that could be an issue if. you have a success just kind of want to. copy that and I never wanted to do that. I always want to evolve just like. anything else in life like in the SEAL. Teams my uh my whole mission was to be a. better operator and a better leader. today than I was yesterday uh personal.

front be a better husband and father. than I was yesterday and for writing be. a better author for the next book than I. was for this one my next sentence to be. better than uh than the sentence before. so it's um so this one James Reese is on. a journey and I said it's like one of. the one things that we have in common. just with everyone else on this planet. we're all on a journey there's no no. matter your race your religion your. socioeconomic background you're on a. journey and you don't know how much time. you have on this planet uh get one ride. and so gotta Make It Count so people are. trusting me with that time which is.

something I take extremely seriously so. as much thought goes into any Instagram. post or blog or question for a guest on. my podcast or whatever it is as goes. into any sentence in the novel and I. want to always improve on that craft. every single time so James Reese is on. this journey he's not the same guy he. wasn't the first book not the same guy. was in the third and he's not the same. guy he is in the sixth one he's evolving. he's learning uh taking those past. successes and failures and taking those. lessons and applying them forward. hopefully is wisdom hopefully we're all. doing that except for Bud Light and. Miller Light apparently but uh he'll.

learn too they need to read these novels. perhaps and uh 21 no big deal. and that's more than rounding her I. think that's more than a rounding that's. a real number that's tough to come back. from yeah well what's interesting now is. gay bars are now boycotting them because. they didn't back up Dylan Mulvaney I saw. a guy kick they can't win they just. waited into this thing it's like an L. Ambush you walk in and you're getting. hit from all sides and you're kind of. and then they did that one post they put. like their first one after that it was. uh they put the Bud Light can and they.

said uh uh TGIF question mark but what. they should have done this is you know. they should have laid low well it could. lay low and hope that somebody else. messes up like like Miller Lite here a. few weeks later. um even though it was before the Miller. Lite one is very mild it's pretty mild. but it's kind of a it's just silly it's. just like you're you're. you're also attacking women you're. attacking these girls that are fitness. models there's nothing wrong with being. a fitness fitness model just like. there's nothing wrong with being a male.

fitness influencer one of those guys. that does like a lot of posts on lifting. weights and technique and they're. shirtless they look jacked there's. nothing wrong with that there's nothing. wrong with being a beautiful woman who. makes a living taking photographs with. beer no guys that drink Miller like that. but it's idea this like narrow view of. what a woman is supposed to be that a. woman is only supposed to be a lady. who's succeeding and killing it in the. corporate world and like why this is why. I saw another one it was similar to that.

so they said why are we vilifying women. that stay home and raise kids and handle. the household and that sort of a thing. but celebrating the men pretending to be. women who stay home and do the same. thing so it's kind of like that. juxtaposition those dichotomies are. interesting well particularly in the way. they dress right because one of the. things about trans people is that like. you'll celebrate the most stereotypical. like like image of what a woman is like. short skirts and a lot of makeup and.

fake eyelashes and like elbow High. gloves and the whole deal it's like it's. a caricature of what it's drag like what. is drag right it's like the most. ridiculous version of what a woman is. and it's celebrated but an actual woman. like that is disparaged we live in. interesting times and I think if Bud. Light I remember that scene from The. Hangover where uh Bradley Cooper they. pull over to the side and he's on the. road they're all beat up and he's. covered in dust and everything and he. takes that phone call and he's like man. we [ __ ] up like if they just played.

that clip like that like that 10 second. clip yeah just people would have been. like yeah just put that up just put it. up and people would have been like okay. all right everybody screws up everybody. messes up you know we're all trying to. navigate this kind of new world and. we're all trying to do the best we can. and I went on a Bud Light tour back back. in 2007 Me and Charlie Murphy and John. Heffron we went on a real men of Comedy. Bud Light tour nice like Real Men of. Genius or whatever that was the guy from. Survivor was with us Jeff Probst the guy.

that uh no no no no no this the band. like. your tiger nice because those are the. guys that would sing the song Real Men. of Genius I do remember those guys. that's funny those were funny ads and. those guys did those ads in front of the. audience so it was like yeah it was a. fun tour and uh that gentleman has. passed away the survivor guy I believe. so I was the lead singer of Survivor. didn't he passed away super [ __ ] cool. guy though what the hell hell of a voice. too yeah so we get to hang out with. those guys and travel the country with.

them for a month yeah we did like 22. dates and I got to become friends with. Charlie and and hefron and we traveled. around and that was when Bud Light. embraced this humorous like sort of. Dopey man version of you know beer which. is like yeah what everybody likes yeah. like it's a do you know Shane Gillis one. of the best comics in the country. [ __ ] time. I thought I'd know it but he's a new guy. coming up but anyway he drinks Bud Light. and he's in a dilemma because he'll.

drink Bud Light on the podcast and we've. had podcasts where he drank 16 Bud Light. 16. oh three hours he's a big boy wow. big fellow it's all relative he can put. him down yeah. that's pretty serious I don't even know. how many fluid were you joining him I. just can't keep up with that I'm six. seven in I'm done I can't stop that's. pretty good though three hours yeah Bud. Light is a light beer it's only like. what is the percentage of alcohol five.

percent yeah it's light it's a lot like. yeah it's like it's for people who like. to drink all day long you can Hydrate. with it yeah yeah. nice little buzz yeah hydrate it's not. offensive tasting no now it's just. offensive yeah well this is one ad. camping it's just so dumb and the lady. behind it was her. I just feel like talking about the. fratty sense of humor we're like what. are you gonna do you're gonna replace it. with this [ __ ] mentally ill person I. know it's it's tough needs attention.

constantly I mean they had a winning uh. campaign going for decades it worked. yeah they should have gone back to. another Real Men of Genius yeah listen. you can make fun of men hardcore In. Those ads and will laugh along with you. absolutely you know it's like it would. have been fine yeah but uh and they. would have got people to buy Bud Light. which you got the opposite now the gay. folks don't want it the trans folks. don't want it nobody but he's mad at you. it's tough they're saying I've read this.

story where this bar owner was saying. that he had to stop carrying it because. people were attacking people that were. drinking it oh my gosh so people that. were like ah [ __ ] it I don't care I'm. not involved in this what do you [ __ ]. press people just beating people's asses. for having Bud Light they were having. fights at the bars it's so sad and who. are they owned by now aren't they owned. by some international corporation at. this point I believe so yeah yeah are. they owned by a Chinese Corporation. Maybe.

but uh whenever something's bad I blame. it on China yeah. those headlights like those lights that. you got you know oh the ones for my Land. Cruiser those actually were from China. yeah they look cool they just died they. got water in them somehow or another. [ __ ] it's a [ __ ] Land Cruiser I. mean come on how are they not sealed. that's a company called inbev bought it. I've never heard and what's in Bev. tied to the communities right now I want.

to call my broker I got a feeling this. is gonna keep going Belgian. multinational Belgium yeah let's. manipulate some markets right now yeah I. think you could let's take a break. though I mean yeah maybe a couple calls. so we have this uh podcast that we do. called protect our parks that I do with. Shane Gillis and Ari shaffir and Mark. Normand and we get hammered like most of. the time yeah and we're trying to figure. out what's the least woke beer to drink. and uh Mark Norman said Colt 45 and I. think he's right is he well who owns it. we gotta look it up you don't know but.

Colt 45 like you don't know that is the. least woke advertising campaign it was I. remember growing up those commercials. were fantastic Malt Liquor yeah I mean. that stuff is what is the the alcohol. percentage of that that stuff more than. Bud Light yeah a lot more that stuff's. rough that's not even real beer it's no. Malt Liquor 5.6 malt liquor is well Colt. 45 is more interesting really Wikipedia. what about Old English it's an old. ultimately it's a psyop psychological.

operation you just think it is something. else in there maybe 800 is just slightly. well it raises it ranges from 5.9 to 8. maybe we need well I would say Canada is. the wokest [ __ ] place on Earth right. now I would have said go with Canadian. beer because Canadian beer is like nine. percent. yeah they get hammered very nice. it's really cold you gotta do something. up there they locked themselves in and. get [ __ ] faster if you've got to do. something up there who's someone who's. talking about Canada and food the other. day you don't hear about somebody saying. they want to go out and have a nice.

Canadian Andrew Schultz was that it oh. my god let's play that bit Andrew. Schultz is [ __ ]. [ __ ] genius he does it a bit about uh. countries that suppress their women. that's it how horrible it is to suppress. women that's it it's a [ __ ] great. [ __ ] okay so I do that guy yeah yeah. yeah that's what I saw yeah yeah this is. such a good bit it's pretty cool it's. such a bit there's a lot of countries in. the world that treat women like [ __ ]. that's [ __ ] up. but they got the best food.

that's undeniable right. the more countries like stay in the. kitchen the better the food comes out of. the kitchen right because it comes out. more delicious that way. have you ever eaten food from a country. where the women are equal. [Laughter]. what is that equality Cuisine move it. move it.

nobody in this room has ever said you. know what we should do for dinner. tonight Canadian never been set. that's it. Canada treats their women equally their. food is [ __ ] dog [ __ ] it's disgusting. Canadian bacon kill yourself if you like. Canadian bacon what is this coaster of. ham what am I looking at absolutely like. Canadian bacon yeah it wasn't been the. best uh analogy I know what he was doing. yeah.

but it's a funny joke it is it's a great. joke but no one has said let's go eat. Canadian no I mean I don't even know. what that means I don't know what it. means either I think it's all right. poutine's good I think that's French. though yeah that's more East yeah yeah. that's Montreal yeah I've never seen the. restaurant protein's pretty bomb diggity. they got smoked meat actually Canada has. some good food and who's the uh the. hunter that has his uh place up here is. it Michael Hunter yeah yeah no it's uh. Toronto Toronto okay antler yeah yeah. that is cookbook that's the guy that. when the vegans were angry he butchered.

a deer in front of the window. and was he on the podcast yes and so. I've met him before as well super nice. guy very nice so you don't think that he. would do like just having talked to him. like he wouldn't think that his mind. would just go there yeah. um but that was yeah it was pretty legit. well it was a smart move got him on the. podcast got him famous I mean like take. advantage of me these people are like. making it uncomfortable for people to go. to his business yeah just because they. have an idea of what you should and. shouldn't eat and if someone confronted. them like if you unless you you are.

growing your own vegetables and you know. exactly what happens you are responsible. for animal death 100. every I mean there's a crazy video of. this um this this combine going through. a field and it goes this patch of uh of. of. like uh I guess it's probably corn or. something like that and 13 deer run out. of there wow like you know I mean those. d The Fawns get chewed up you know how. many rabbits rabbits and you know like. if is a life a life because I'll tell.

you what you lose a lot of light for a. pound of grain no matter what poisoning. pesticides herbicides like this idea. that you're going to have some zero. Karma no worry at all vegetable dinner. like [ __ ] off you're not again just. getting the things to getting your uh. like your the organic paper towels or. whatever they have you know they have. those things. um just getting those to the store uh. you know grabbing them across the. country the amount of insects that hit. the windshield yeah it depends and who.

Steve vanilla has that thing right. doesn't have the Pyramid of uh things. like fish nobody cares that whole deal I. had a post that I did on Instagram way. back in the day called the hierarchy of. dead animals on social media that's it. so I said like if you catch a fish no. one's upset at you yeah and then I. showed a picture of me with a dead. turkey like we're crossing into a weird. area but nobody cares and then I had a. package of bear meat right just a. package just meat just said bear meat. it's like you can get away with a lot. you do it in a sneaky way yeah there's. bear meat and that's okay that was okay.

right not not too many people hating. that yeah hierarchy of dead animals on. social media yeah. that when did you put May 1st 2015 years. ago eight years ago amazing yeah that. was probably the last time I hunted. Bears was it yeah I haven't been up. there in a while well there was the. pandemic and you know and then you know. you couldn't get up there for a while. yeah now I'm just angry again yeah they. invite yeah it's uh rivets and they've. been in touch and want to try to get me. up there and it's a crazy spot they have.

so many bears up there and anyone that. thinks that somehow another bears like. they're protected speech to listen go to. Canada go to Alberta and go wander. around the woods there's so many goddamn. Bears yeah they have to kill bears like. they're they're deer population their. moose population all depends on it they. are overrun with bears yep yeah. absolutely when we were up there there's. bear cannibalism yeah John one of the. one of the guys that was uh this. Jonathan one of the sons of uh the. rivets his he saw a bear a male bear the.

boar attacked a female. and uh was trying to get to her Cubs. killed one of her Cubs the female chased. the bear off and then the female ate her. own Cub wow yeah you know this aren't. these aren't teddy bears yeah they're. edible monsters yeah did you post a. picture of your did you post a picture. of your bear at one point and that's. where the hatred a lot of hate oh I got. a lot of it yeah yeah they posted it. Alaskan monsters bears go at it so the.

longest most intense grizzly bear fight. he's seen oh Jesus. reaction you did not see this though. just a few days ago crazy fight just a. few days ago here this is an intense. fight was this new yeah I've seen this. one May 11th I mean we could go into I. don't look at that thing oh my gosh. that is incredible that's Nature's. Cleanup Crew ladies and gentlemen. anything that [ __ ] up gets eaten by. this 2 000 pound monster Here Comes this. guy as soon as it's gonna happen.

dangerously close to us. oh boy here we go how beautiful they are. look at the code is these things gosh. look at that backdrop yeah. people will say it's CGI. [Music]. that's incredible weird life they have. look at that I mean that looks pretty. evenly matched at this point yeah. they're both the same size I mean it's. they're just biting each other's faces. he's been training harder [ __ ] man oh.

they do a lot of Jiu Jitsu though look. look right there those little Grampy. roll there it is oh oh go for the back. he's got in the back. he's been watching UFC oh look at that. yeah he's just like biting chunks and. that guy's trying to get away now he's. trying to they're sick too late their. skin is so thick and they're covered in. fat he was like that's just annoying. like broke it off me wow I will say this. goes on for and on and on how long do. you want to watch wow this is a good. fight yeah this is pretty good oh look. at this oh really good attention oh my. gosh I like how the other bear just.

keeps moving though that's good I like. his technique oh oh there he is still. got his back but he's trying to reverse. oh he's pulled guard trying to get him. off of them oh my gosh. that is true that one better run that. one better just get on those getaway. sticks I don't know I feel like the. other guy's gonna gas out yeah we're. good we're good I'm watching because. they get the guy's wasting all his time. biting him in the back yeah maybe he's. going for I think this spine or like. yeah no it's not really gonna happen no.

it's a crazy fight well you know who got. the best bear fight footage before this. was Grizzly Man oh which is one of my. favorite all-time comedies. you haven't watched it no I keep meaning. to it I haven't watched it but I know oh. my God have a cocktail and watch Grizzly. Man it is the best unintentional comedy. that's ever been made and I wonder if. it's unintentional because Werner Herzog. is a genius yeah yeah you know and he's. made so many amazing films and that to.

me is his fave my favorite of his films. and there's so many moments that just. are laugh out loud funny like there's. one where there's a Sheriff and he's. talking about like finding the body and. the fact this guy was camping with him. and the sheriff looks at the camera goes. I thought he was [ __ ] like. there's a smash cut and like the best. the bear guy always gets eaten by the. bear the shark guy ends up getting eaten. by the shark the rattlesnake guy gets it. ended up getting bit by the rattlesnake.

what's happening with these. just the trailer oh for Grizzlies Yeah. that poor guy well that guy was very. very sad no he was a sad guy and he had. this idea that he was protecting them oh. but he just doesn't even understand he. doesn't understand wildlife conservation. and that's so brutal if the lion guy. gets eaten by the lion yeah that's it's. always the way but this one's this is an. amazing brilliant tale of Adventure and. potential Madness and hilarious well I.

think I feel like genuinely this story. was suicide by bear yeah because he. stayed long after you're supposed to be. there yeah he stayed after the animals. were in hibernation he was very. depressed and I think he kind of wanted. to die yeah I really do I just think. this guy just was very sad that's tough. and he he very much seemed like an in. the closet gay guy because like he said. a lot of crazy [ __ ] like he was walking. around with a camera he was I wish it. was gay if I was gay it'd be so easy I. just found a guy in her cup but I'm not.

gay I'm like are you sure like it's like. there's so many layers to that film oh. really I'm gonna have to watch it it's. great it's a great documentary and it. also it highlights How Majestic these. animals are they're so amazing and. delicious too if you get the right ones. eating the right stuff I've never eaten. a brown bear no I have not eaten but. black bears are very good you're hearing. the blueberries just munching on those. blueberries it's uh I haven't had that. but but Ronaldo says it's some of the. best meat he's ever eaten it is what's. what's interesting is that settlers in. America in the pioneer days they.

preferred bear meat and they shot deer. for their skins oh interesting that's. why like a buck do you know what a buck. yep deer it's a dollar because that was. what it what it was worth yeah one of. those deer skins was worth a dollar so. they called it a buck yep yeah which is. kind of crazy that then that's a lot of. money oh my God back then a dollar is a. lot of 20 of those 30 those 50 of those. 100 of those you're [ __ ] balling yeah. you know the richest guy in the world at. one point in time was a beaver pelt.

salesman I believe it in America I. believe it yeah there's a time and it. was just like the stock market the ups. and downs in the markets for those. things uh did you see that recent uh I. think it was in Kenya I just saw maybe. yesterday the day before but uh the. villagers out there killed killed a lion. then an old lion and it made the news. but not so much in the way that some of. the other others have because this line. uh was eating some of their livestock. and they're like oh guess what this is. killing our livestock that's how we. survive yeah so we're going to kill it. so they did. um and of course you know you know and.

asked more questions about well well why. and why is uh why is there not hunting. here and if there was hunting would that. animal have had value and then would. there be incentive to keep those. populations at a certain level and apply. the science to it and make sure but. there's none of that they just kill it. that's how it goes because these things. are killing your livestock that you feed. your family with so it wasn't long for. this Earth that happens with elephants. with crops yeah they destroy the bunch. of crops over there. no idea what a farm is no they're not.

worried they're not working they just go. through watching those those videos. those pictures and but that's that's the. problem about not putting the requisite. time energy and effort into studying an. issue no matter what that issue is and. just making a snap decision based on. something that someone with a lot of. followers puts out there all of a sudden. that is your uh that's your position as. well rather than let me just do some. study here let me think about this a. little more yeah now I'll make my what. sort of like a woman attacking women for. wearing bikinis. let's talk about this okay you're.

ruining it for everyone something wrong. with that and also there's the thing. thing about Wildlife Conservation that's. very uncomfortable and what's. uncomfortable is that it really bothers. us that the only way animals really have. value in terms of these uh wild. populations of antelope and gazelles and. all these different things they hunt in. Africa the way they've made them Thrive. is by putting value on them to hunt them. and that bothers people a lot it does.

and I get it yeah I get why it would I. mean it would be nice if all these. people that were animal conservationists. spent as much money as Hunters yeah but. it doesn't matter they don't no they. just especially in America with the. Pittman Robertson act where a percentage. of all ammunition sales of all gear all. hunting gear and it turns into all that. goes towards Wildlife Conservation it's. the tune of billions of dollars yeah and. sportsman uh voted that in yeah voted.

that in that was a tax self-imposed tax. yes and a beautiful one yeah it's one of. the wildlife conservation in this. country and the preservation of public. land for recreational use and hunting. and fishing and camping is one of the. greatest things this country has ever. pioneered oh yeah because it really. doesn't exist or hadn't exist until we. did it in this country out of necessity. because all those bucks added up to a. lot of dead deer and a lot of population. declined so but now now we have thriving. populations of these of these animals.

and turkeys also uh same thing and now. they're all over the place we have about. 200 essentially that go between a ridge. by our house they come through every day. up to this other Ridge and then work. their way back and I was heading up to. see Steve renella in Montana about two. weeks ago and I took a video he'd been. out turkey hunting didn't see anything. and I took about 200 turkeys just. standing there like in the road as I'm. leaving the house and uh yeah right. there yeah but you're in parks and. cities and always blasting shotguns in. Park City no no they're Town turkeys. they're very safe they're very. comfortable hanging out in the backyard.

but I thought they were going to die. this winter because there was a last. winter they were here the whole time. because we had a very mild winter last. year this year it was not mild it was I. think the largest recorded snowfall in. Utah history or Park City history anyway. and so they disappeared and I thought oh. they're gone because it's the first time. they've seen this guy right now as well. but they came back about three weeks ago. they came back in force 200 of them. right back like they never left but uh. did they migrate I think they found a. barn somewhere with some heat and some. feed I'm thinking I don't know I don't. know but it has to be because they I.

don't know if they can just hunker down. for all those months that we got all. that snow I don't fly very far no but. they fly yeah it's pretty cool to see. them fly for the for the first time or. you're not uh when you think that uh. maybe they don't and then you see them. go up to roost and or come down and. that's that's pretty cool and that's. pretty cool but yeah I've um how far can. they fly I don't know 100 yards or. something maybe I don't know that's all. I've seen them flies these trees so not. very far but but who knows maybe they. maybe they do what a weird bird could. kind of fly but not much it kind of.

Glides you know and they get up there. and flow let's find out let's find out. our nerds it says wild turkeys the. flight speeds of up to 40 miles an hour. 50 miles an hour but only for short. distances usually limit their flight. distance to about 100 yards or less nice. I nailed it you did that right odd it. wasn't 101 or 99. like you were on it. that's amazing well I've seen them I've. seen them fly I took a guess how many. how much have uh how have you spent. turkey hunting only once yeah yeah I. only went once with vanilla yeah. it's good but my time is very valuable.

and if I'm just hunting for one meal. that bothers me yeah I want to hunt. where if I shoot like um I went with. Ronaldo went down to South Texas I got. two Whitetail and a Neil guy so I'm. eating good yeah yeah you know it's like. that's that to me I like to eat those. animals for months yeah yeah like I've. got Neil Guy uh liver and my in my uh. refrigerator for breakfast nice it's. like I like that that's what I like. that's what it was good if you had a.

Mooseheart did you guys eat the. Mooseheart when you went I did yeah good. in BC yeah really good like you slice it. real thin and then fry it yeah delicious. oh yeah well I'm a big fan of liver for. its performance like just as a food as a. superfood it's so good for you well then. the liver guy what was the liver guys. the liver King yeah yeah steroids. because I was doing it it didn't work. I'm just kidding no I wasn't oh family. not even working out anymore it's like. the the workouts the nutrition and the.

sleep have fallen to the bottom of the. priority list with everything going it. doesn't work because yeah there's books. to write and scripts to write well not. right now but you re-prioritize and. focus on book seven and then I have this. non-fiction coming out which is taking a. lot more research than I anticipated. which the first one is on the 1983. Beirut Barracks bombing so it's uh when. it's my first foray into the non-fiction. side of the house so working on that. right now with an amazing guy a. historian Pulitzer Prize finalist James. Scott and there's really not the seminal. work on that event yet but as a kid I.

remember just how impactful that was to. me seeing the news Newsweek and time and. come across our dining room table and. seeing those photos and uh knowing that. I was going to go in the military even. at that young age so I was always. interested in insurgencies and counter. insurgencies and terrorism and Special. Operations like I was focused on that. from a very I'm not aware of the story. yes October of 1983. um there was a two actual car car bombs. one with the French paratroopers and one. with the Marine Barracks in Beirut. Lebanon on and uh there were some some.

lead up events uh first one in or the. first large one that really people. noticed the bombing of the American. Embassy in Beirut in April 1983 and then. there's some newly Declassified. documents from the Reagan Administration. that talk about what was going on behind. the scenes and who's advocating to put. Marines ashore who wanted to keep them. on amphib ships so a little smaller than. an aircraft carrier but take Marines. around who wanted to keep them on those. ships in a little safer area out on the. on the water in the med and um and then. who made the decision well the president.

made the final decision I talked to. Michael Reagan about it he said that. decision haunted his father until the. day he died and uh so they put Marines. ashore in Beirut Lebanon and then there. was a a bomb that that uh that took out. those barracks and it was the largest. Marine loss of life since Iwo Jima in. World War II and uh so I'm doing this. research right now how many people done. there were 300 left so we can look it up. exactly so I don't miss I don't mess it. up by one or two but uh it's so. impactful and looms over U.S foreign.

policy to this day and there's a there's. an ending to it too 307 yeah there it is. 241 U.S military personneling uh. Personnel 58 French six civilians two. suicide bombers yeah. what is your take on what's going on in. Ukraine are you up on it and up on it I. mean I'm up on it in uh because I know. you're writing I'm writing about it I'm. writing about it I wrote about it in the. second novel in uh in um in True. Believer and I got that from someone. who's also been on this podcast Peter.

zehan wrote a book back in uh 2014 and. so I used that I read that on my flight. to Mozambique where I was doing research. for the second novel even though I. didn't have a deal for the first novel. yet I didn't even turned that in but I. always knew I was gonna write two. because John Grisham he wrote his first. book A Time to Kill and couldn't give. that book away and then he writes the. firm and that one takes off Tom Cruise. is in the movie then they republish A. Time to Kill and Matthew McConaughey. stars in that one and we've had a John. Grisham novel every year so I thought. back to that and thought I'll at least. write two and if both of them don't take.

off then I'll maybe reevaluate my. choices so uh so I knew I was always. going to write write two but on their. flight over there I read uh his book. accidental superpower and that one very. clearly predicts a Russian invasion of. Ukraine by the year 20 22 and that was. back in 2014 he wrote that so there were. signs Peter Zion was that on the ball to. the year to the exactly he's a weirdly. smart guy he's amazing yeah he's been on. my podcast and he's been on your podcast. and I've read all his books he's so sure.

of what he's saying too that's what's. uncomfortable he's very you're not even. hedging your bets no no and he's not he. doesn't hedge the bets at all and but he. but he also that's his thing that is 100. his area of expertise and study he lives. it he breathes it it's not something he. just dabbles in so read that book. amazing amazing book so I Incorporated. that into my into my second novel but. now Russia actually did invade Ukraine. so now when we work on these scripts for. the second season of the terminal list. well we have to figure that out it's. going to change obviously because they. actually invaded instead of like in the.

book um the hero of course wins the day. but um but when he talks about that and. talks about population decline very. steep population decline in Russia and. gives the reasons behind it and uh talks. about the ethnic Russian population in. Ukraine being the largest outside of. Russia and he looked at how long you can. field an army before you can't field. that Army anymore and 2022 was that year. so in order to field the Army at current. levels they had to invade by that time.

and we really I mean this is going back. to to uh learning lessons from the past. and applying them going forward is. wisdom because we really made that. Invasion inevitable by some of our. decisions at the end of the Cold War in. the early 90s all the way through the. 90s and really set things up to uh to. make that Invasion a uh an inevitability. NATO. expansion promises it's just so so I'd. like to look at things through the. enemy's eyes which I did in the devil's. hand my fourth book but I think it's.

important to look at things through the. enemy's eyes because it allows you to. then make decisions taking that into. account and so with Russia certainly. knowing what our response would be to an. invasion of Ukraine that's what I. incorporated into this one so if you. knew what we would do if they invaded. Ukraine what should you do now as Russia. to set yourself up success is the wrong. word but uh but financially so with gas. and oil sales and contracts and Futures. with India and with China so I work all. that into this book so it was quite it.

was quite the education what did you. think about the blowing up of the. pipeline oh my goodness there's a. Seymour Hersh it has a few articles out. there on sub stack yeah amazing people. should read those before they just. retweet something but he is I mean he's. detailed in those accounts of yeah where. people are what what military exercises. are going on that would cover a cover. for Action we call it to allow the U.S. to go in and blow up those pipelines so. it's it's very and now it's it's I think.

fairly established that what he writes. in there is actually true so it's uh. it's incredible so there's a video of. Biden saying that they were going to put. a stop to the Nordstrom pipeline that. was an assistant Secretary of State I. think she was and similar things out. there and it's yeah so when we go back. and look at these things and don't apply. any political bias to it and just apply. common sense that's the other thing we. don't do and uh it's Carl and. klauschwitz who wrote on war said the. most important attribute of a. battlefield leader is common sense. George Marshall World War II said the.

same thing and we neglect to apply. common sense to a lot of these things. whether it's as a populist or our. elected officials or military leaders so. there's a lack of common sense in the. end and a historic lack of. accountability as well so it's very. therapeutic for me to write some of. these novels because I get to hold. people accountable in a fictional sense. that you couldn't do in real life is it. a lack of common sense or is it a. willingness to ignore consequences. because of the financial interest or the.

the political interest in what you're. trying to accomplish that's a huge part. of it and we can see a change in 1947 so. when the defense establishment and the. intelligence agencies were all. reorganized in 1947 when we changed the. the department of War to the Department. of Defense it became an industry and it. stopped being a profession of arms and. started becoming a career of arms for. senior level officers in particular and. at the same time we started seeing a. lack of accountability because up to.

that point we go back to the Civil War. and see Lincoln go through General after. General until he got to Grant and same. thing in World War II George Marshall. went through General after General after. General Admiral after Admiral after. Admiral until he got to those names that. we all know today who led us to victory. in World War II and then for some reason. and that means that there were people in. those positions before who didn't. measure up so George Marshall would give. them a chance and maybe a second one but. not a third and then they'd put somebody. in place regardless regardless of rank. essentially he would promote people into. the rank they needed to be for those.

positions if they showed promise and. that's how we got to these leaders that. we all know the last names of and we. lost that after World War II. particularly in Vietnam now we start. seeing people not held accountable for. mistakes we certainly see it with. Afghanistan 20 years they had had to. prepare for this eventuality in 20 years. and then the best they can do is what we. saw in August of 2021 and someone who. has no touch points with the military. never read a book on military history. strategy tactics doesn't know anyone in. the military maybe you've never seen a. military film can apply common sense to.

that situation and say look wait it. looks like Bagram here would be the. tactically advantageous position which. it was why are we putting our junior. level enlisted people at this gate at. this essentially a public airport in. Kabul putting them in a tactically. disadvantageous position to get out of. there after we had 20 years to prepare. to leave and once again no one held. accountable and there's a great book. it's called the Afghanistan papers by. Craig Whitlock and after two Freedom of. Information Act lawsuits by The.

Washington Post they got access to these. classified histories of the war and so. they took these generals and Admirals. coming back and they interviewed them. and they thought these interviews were. going to stay classified and so he what. Craig Whitlock does once he got access. to this is he juxtaposes what they said. in private that they thought was going. to stay classified to what they said in. front of Congress and they are 180 out. from each other and once again no one. held accountable all those guys make. rank they fail up and then sit on Boards. of Defense industry companies going. forward. and now that we saw that change 1947.

onward you cover some of these problems. in your books yeah and but how. frustrating is it for you and how. infuriating infuriating is it as a man. who's a veteran who served who's been. deployed overseas it's been in these. conflicts to to see this happening and. to see no accountability and to see. these poor choices being made over and. over again that put veterans lives at. risk put our lives at risk and put the.

entire world in this state right now. where we're we're genuinely concerned. about nuclear war yeah which we haven't. been since the 80s right the fall of the. Soviet Union was this great moment in. history we're like oh Jesus we're done. yeah oh my God Soviet Union is now. Russia it's like it's there they have. elected leaders everything's going to be. great yeah yeah I know it's tough. because you lose friends over there. people lose arms legs in wheelchairs. they sacrifice so much and they're.

trusting those senior level leaders to. make good decisions politicians and. military leaders and then they see what. happens over there and so it's a very. natural to ask that question was it all. was it all worth it what were we doing. over there for all these years for 20. years yeah so it's very natural to ask. that question and you know for for my. own sanity I just go back to taking. those Lessons Learned and applying them. going forward in a way that honors the. sacrifice of those who who did lose. their lives who didn't come home or who. came home changed forever because of. post-traumatic stress or traumatic brain. injury missing arms and legs and.

um my my and I hate to say hope is that. we can take those lessons and apply them. to the Next Generation so they don't. have to learn those same lessons in. blood. but I guess I'm not hopeful because we. have shown time and time again that we. have a very difficult time doing that. for some reason and I don't know why. that is but it's extremely disheartening. it also sets it also sets up uh sets up. that next generation for failure because. you have these people coming up the. ranks and they see these uh these. generals sit in front of Congress say. certain things you can go back to every. single testimony from these guys and it.

also they all say pretty much the same. thing we're making progress we just need. more money we need more time. um privately what were they saying they. were saying that this is a disaster yeah. and you can go back and look at these. then and Greg wilhock spells it all out. he has the transcripts in there and. there's one and I forget who it is right. now an exact time but it's around the. 2009-2010 time frame where there's one. senior level official who's in charge of. Afghanistan he doesn't even say anything. bad he's just kind of like you know it's. not going as great as we uh may have led. you to believe and then a few months.

later he has quietly moved aside and. somebody else has put in so that tells. everybody else coming up behind them if. they want to yank this next star and. they want to sit on the board of company. X Y or Z they better tow this line and. it's a it's an industry is that an issue. where the amount of money that's. involved in it now because of the. military-industrial complex is almost. it's like you can't turn that back now. because you've turned on that spigot the. amount of money. is continuing to flow these coffers are.

filling these people are making so much. money to stop it now and to hold people. accountable and to try to like put an. end to this chain of failure I mean it's. a huge bureaucracy it's a it's an. ecosystem that includes politicians it. includes military leaders both in. uniform and just out sitting on these. boards lobbyists permanent Washington. it's all a part of this huge. infrastructure that is moving forward. and just like any company you got to. show profits it's just crazy that you. know less than 100 years ago Eisenhower.

warned us about this at the end of World. War II when he's leaving office he. warned us about it in the 50s and said. there is a military industrial complex. and the crazy thing is that speech at. that time aired on television and people. you know remember it they had a sense of. it but it wasn't until the internet. where you could pull up that speech at. any moment you wanted to on YouTube and. just play his words which is such an. incredible resource I mean we have. access to history instantaneously in a.

way that's never existed before and we. seem to be learning less I know it's one. of the economies that is uh it's very. odd and we all thought when that when we. could carry the internet around in your. pocket with that first iPhone yeah I. mean you thought oh when we have a. discussion and someone says no it's this. you know it's this guess what we don't. have to argue about it we can look it up. right here and it's going to be great. because we can solve all these arguments. immediately and what did it do well it. just snowballed into this thing where it. divides us even further rather than. someone saying oh look oh I was wrong oh. yeah it says it right here yeah no it.

just divides us even further and of. course Adventist social media it's a web. it's a tool and any tool can be used for. for productive purposes or as a weapon. and we have weaponized social media for. sure to divide and who benefits well. politicians that need to Galvanize bases. of course and the social media companies. themselves who have lobbyists in. Washington uh who pay a lot of money to. these politicians and it's a it's a. whole ecosystem and so being aware of it. I think is the first step so for our. kids I talk about it with them and I. always ask the question how might be. manipulated here which is kind of a.

cynical way to look at things but you. kind of have to today and then with the. Advent of AI it's a whole other side of. it like figuring out what is truth and. what is not and what's been made up and. what podcast is real and what's not it's. uh it's a crazy situation but I want the. kids to know that even if they're. following somebody on social media like. a person that's an advertisement for. that person and their life and you can. see time and time again beautiful. families out there and they're showing. who we are in Aruba or whatever and here. we are with our Easter photo together. and then the next week There's their. divorce and there's abuse and there's. you know it's like but this whole thing.

was all a farce uh crazy yeah so that's. an advertising just like a company when. I see someone doing something like that. I always assume that you're trying to. like you're trying to sell me something. yeah exactly come on why are you trying. to sell me your relationship so good. exactly exactly how am I being. manipulated right here it's one thing. it's Mother's Day you know she's such a. great mom okay okay but how many days a. week are you doing that you know right. right the perfect family of the perfect. life you're the perfect this you you're. trying to sell it to people instead of. just living it and it's it's a very.

weird thing that we're doing that never. existed before so there's no real road. map right of how to navigate it. correctly exactly it's kind of like the. when you have a psychologist or a. psychiatrist on and you know they're. they're really getting into your life. maybe or they're out there giving advice. giving all this advice and then you find. out that in the background there they're. a total disaster right and they're a. crazy person uh that happens more often. than I not sorry to psychologists and. psychologists out there but you know. it's true oh it's very true I mean. there's a lot of doctors out there that. are extremely unhealthy there's a lot of.

weird stuff going on in this world where. there's people that are experts and. giving advice and they yeah I know I. think about that a lot when I talk I'm. like man better not be full of [ __ ] I. know yeah you're supposed to check all. this full-time job checking on this. stuff and it's wild and but for the kids. it's the toughest our daughter just. missed it she's 17 so she got a little. bit of it but I think she was the. internet if she grew up on the internet. but she didn't grow up with the amount. of input that these kids are getting now. at age nine ten eleven. yeah she just missed that yeah um so our.

little guy who is uh who is 12 is. hitting that that side and you know. they're pretty Sly a little guy out. there he's a smart one so he can uh you. can figure out ways around the blocks. and all these other sorts of things so. it's a it's interesting time for parents. tough time I think for parents and tough. time for kids three kids for kids oh I. think it's always been a tough time for. parents and always been a tough time for. kids and these are just unique. challenges that exist but every era has. unique challenges yeah what I'm worried. about is this this stuff that we're.

talking about in terms of accountability. with the military industrial complex and. I don't know how that turns around I. don't know other than some catastrophic. disaster right and the catastrophic. disasters that we're talking about are. nuclear and if there's a nuclear. disaster you know it's that Einstein. quote I don't know what weapons World. War III will be fought with but World. War four will be fought with rocks and. sticks oh interesting yeah I don't know. I've never heard that quote before yeah. I might have paraphrased it I'm sure I.

did yeah but it's basically what he said. yeah and that's what scares the [ __ ] out. of me is that you know you got a guy. like Putin who may or may not have. cancer. you know who's backed into a corner what. does he do if he thinks he's going to. lose and he thinks he's going to die. right yeah so the only thing I think. about in that point is what what who who. benefits if you use even tactical. nuclear weapons in a place like Ukraine. that's the area that they want so it. doesn't when you look at it logically uh. maybe they can move some things around. on a board and move move nuclear weapons.

closer or farther away or that sort of a. thing is kind of pieces on a chessboard. but if you want to invade a country. because you want its population and. because you want its food sources. um then to Nuke it doesn't really play. in. um unless they think they're going to. lose Russia and that's that's what the. population decline there are essentially. a few according to Peter Zeon is uh. there are a few Generations away from. the same thing with China with the one. child policy a similar situation there. Japan has a giant population issue too. collapse issue as well yeah yeah so it's.

tough It's nuts it's a there's so many I. mean who the [ __ ] would want to be. president I seriously that's the whole. thing is that a politician in general. yeah who's drawn to that I mean I'm sure. there's I mean they're I'm sure there. are people that are drawn to it for sure. reasons and want to serve and they may. they've started businesses and made. money and want to give back and they're. concerned about the future of the. country I'm sure they exist but man. people get into those positions and they. sure do pick stocks a lot better than. they did before. across the board and that's not just. Nancy Pelosi no it's a little thing it's.

part of that established part of that. permanent Washington part of the. ecosystem and it's uh it's how it is. that's the motivation it's not the. access to information that allows you to. pick stocks so good it's incredible and. that in my first book I talk about how. you show me a politician in Washington. and I'm going to show you a family. member who has some sort of a lobbying. firm or this or that and then what are. we seeing with the Biden Administration. you're seeing some of that right now on. the front pages they are just holding on. to that as long as they can because it.

seems like that is a crazy mountain of. corruption yeah and I don't think it's I. don't think it is only them I want you. to imagine if that was Trump oh no. imagine if Donald Trump Jr was Hunter. Biden yeah smoking Street crack with. Vietnamese hookers and and just and all. of it documented it's not like rumors. like the steel dossier where they're. like Trump likes to get peed on no like. this guy's getting foot jobs and putting. it on his laptop and then dropping it. off in Maryland yeah but I'm skeptical.

about everything I'm skeptical about the. laptop story like all I mean it's it's. sort of it's burned into our brains like. that's what happened but I think like 10. years from now we'll probably find out. that that's horseshit too I mean who. [ __ ] knows I don't know. he just put stuff so I know a couple. people that saw it right off the bat and. uh and what it has been kept to in the. news from my understanding is the. professional side so the people who saw. it are people who didn't have a vested. interest in showing any of the personal.

stuff which some of us out there but. um and this is second hand information. so. um but there's stuff out there that is. personally allowed lot more I guess. damaging you would say that's horrible. but what they tried to stay to for the. most part is the ties to the corruption. exactly the corruption's undeniable I. mean just the the the fact that he's. just completely unqualified to be in. those positions that he's at making the. kind of money that he was making and. doing it for Russia and China it's just.

it's so in Ukraine yeah you know I mean. what's crazy is that Ukraine was thought. to be one of the most corrupt countries. up until Russia invaded them and now. they're the darling Sean Penn's giving. his Oscar the zelenski and it's like. we are so [ __ ] lost that's what goes. back to doing the research and really. before you take that step going back and. you know making sure you're taking the. right one. um but for the American people it's. almost like there's too much research to.

do you don't have the time but for the. average person that wants to if you have. a conservative position or or a liberal. position it's like boy you have to trust. in these [ __ ] jackasses that are. running the country to be steering you. correctly and they never are they never. are it's so tough they lie about. anything that's going to damage their. party they lie about anything that's. going to damage their positions or. anything that's going to contradict what. what they've said in the past it's it's.

crazy it's great and I talk about it in. most of the books I weave it I weave it. in there that uh that so it's not I. don't think it is just reserved for one. party but we're divided along these. lines yeah and uh but who does it. benefit certainly not the citizen relief. certainly not us uh doesn't benefit us. to say just side with your side because. it's your side without even thinking and. that's the kind of that's the position. we're in right now unfortunately but. benefits the people who make the most. money which is so terrifying and then. you see these politicians that just they. they benefit from benefiting those.

people that make the most money it's an. ecosystem it is it's so huge right now. then that and then you lose you undercut. confidence in in voting systems so. they're so that's in there now. um and then you have let's say going. back to 100 buying laptop you have 50. what 51 52 intelligence officials who. signed some letter that's now shown that. it's that uh they were coerced into sign. not coerced into signing this thing but. they uh they they signed it for a reason. to give their candidate The. Establishment candidate yes a uh a.

talking point in uh in a debate and that. undercuts everyone's confidence in those. institutions anyway and it was always a. little shaky uh your confidence in an. intelligent service just in general yes. Trump Administration attacked them for. four years the Trump Administration. attacked the intelligence community and. and then what does the intelligence. Community do they come out and lie about. the hunter Biden laptop it's like hey. guys like and that just undermines all. of our confidence in these institutions. yeah and FBI same thing it's just huge. huge issues there and then it goes down.

to the local level. um and local level Politics as well with. police departments and Mayors and and. all the rest of it so it's you know it's. endemic throughout the whole system. unfortunately how does that ever get. corrected I mean I don't want I mean. when I have conversations with my kids. about politics and life and stuff it's. like you know my young kids I'm talking. not my my oldest is 26. I don't know my. when I'm talking to my 12 well now 13. and 14 year olds or and 15 year olds. when I'm talking to them like they're at.

this point where they're going to be. graduating from high school in a few. years they're going to be going to. college they're going to be entering to. the workforce and doing stuff. what what do you tell them about this. insanely corrupt system that's supposed. to be the the controlling operating. system system of this greatest country. the world has ever known this experiment. in self-government and it's just deeply. corrupt it is and so what we do is uh we. go back and talk about all those.

sacrifices that were made so we can have. these options and opportunities in the. hopes that uh that our kids take a pause. and actually become part of the solution. and respect what has happened in the. past so that we can be this country we. are today even though it seems to be we. seem to be pretty good at destroying. ourselves from the inside out right now. we did have a civil war and at the end. of that Civil War we did manage to come. back together so that gives me hope. right there took a long ass time it took. some time there were people that didn't. want it to happen murder in the. Appalachians and we didn't have social. media yeah we didn't have this tool that.

you could use to continue to divide so I. often wonder after the Civil War if we. had iPhones in our pockets. um and two sides or even some some other. factions that wanted to continue to. divide and either prolong or whatever it. was would we still have come back. together I think social media is a. problem problem but at least social. media has this at least with Elon on. board Elon being in control of Twitter. has this self-correcting option that's. built in with Community notes where say.

if you are a politician and you tweet. something and a bunch of people say that. is not correct at all Twitter will put a. community note on okay and show all the. real facts and the Biden Administration. has deleted tweets because they've been. truly I haven't seen it yet so you've. seen it out there yet. they have deleted at least one that I'm. aware of I think it's been more than one. really yeah it's like that's the good. thing about social media as it exists. but that's why you know all these people.

that are mad that Elon took over all. you're letting in these jackasses that. were banned in the past like. the only answer to bad speech is better. speech the only answer to bad. information is correct information and. if you ban that information then they. just find some Echo chamber and spit it. out amongst each other and that's how. you get cueing on that's how you get. flat earthers that's how you get all. these [ __ ] loons out there so if you.

want to maintain hope for the nation. don't go into the comment section of. Instagram Twitter or YouTube because. very quickly you will come to the. conclusion that All Is Lost I don't know. about Twitter anymore I'm I'm you know I. do better read anything about myself and. it's it's given me great sanity over the. last few years it's a giant it's a giant. factor and I try to drill it into all. these comedians heads yeah like please. don't read the comments just don't do it. because first of all you're with when.

especially if they do a podcast if. you're doing this like I had um my. friends uh Sarah uh wine shank and Kim. Congdon on and after the podcast was. over like please don't do the comments. yes please we had a great time it was a. lot of fun I enjoyed it I think it was. really funny yeah don't read the. comments but these girls are of course. they do there you go they're used to. small podcasts that might get a thousand. downloads or a couple thousand downloads. now you got 11 million people that are. commenting on every [ __ ] thing you've.

said and the only thing you're gonna. think of is the negatives yeah and these. girls suck and they're [ __ ] losers. are not funny to this to that like those. are just uh unhappy bitter people you. know who's was it Michael Jordan said I. don't remember who said it I've never. met a hater doing better than me right I. don't remember who said but it's the. perfect the perfect quote yeah you've. got people that are allowed to have. their opinions they're allowed to be. angry they're allowed to be bitter. they're allowed to say you suck they're. allowed to say you're a liar they're. allowed to say you're stupid let them. talk it's okay let them talk but just.

don't read it. it still gets in there it gets in there. it gets in there you know that's why I. don't read it I don't it's not I I don't. not read it because uh uh well it's not. like I'm immune right I read it because. like it's natural human nature to look. for threats and if you read a hundred. quotes that are great and then one that. sucks and that one person says this. person should kill themselves and. they're they're you know they're a this. and a that and that and this and like oh.

my God am I that person and you can't. engage you can't go back and it just you. know I see people that do and I'm like. Jesus Christ you're just you're just. throwing gasoline on it exactly get the. [ __ ] out of there how long did you look. at comments before when did you stop for. years I looked at comments yeah and it. would make me feel bad I didn't like it. I didn't like I didn't like getting mad. and like like that's not true [ __ ] them. I'm gonna [ __ ] I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna look at your Instagram look at. you you [ __ ] fat loser but it's. that's that's just yeah the way I try to.

explain to people. is look at your mind and your attention. like it is bandwidth and let's let's. assume that you have units and you have. a hundred units of bandwidth if you. spend 13 units of bandwidth paying. attention to social media critics and. comments that's 13 less now you only. have 87 units right so to just I I. Sam Harris told me once that he was on a. a trip in Hawaii with his family and he.

read something negative about him and it. tanked his whole trip because he spent. his entire time crafting a response I'm. like God damn no and he's brilliant yeah. he's a very smart man so for him to fall. into that trap yeah we're all human yeah. and uh and no matter even if you're a. special operator people think you have. this thick skin yeah if you went to Iraq. in Afghanistan and made through buds or. all that stuff you know for me anyway. you know it definitely hurts but I try. to get on there still and say thank you. to people because I'm not I can still do. it at the end of the night I'm exhausted.

but I want to say thank you but it also. means I see the craziness yeah and so I. see that I never respond to it but I. want to say thank you to all those. people who Grassroots like before I you. know before you left invite me on here. before right before Chris Pratt texted. about the show or posted about the show. before I was on Tucker it was all. Grassroots it was all somebody taking a. risk on me as a new author telling a. friend until people get on and say hey I. love your book I gave it to my dad now. he's a fan I want to say thank thank you. to that person so I'm up late doing that. but it also means that I see yeah that's. there's a there comes a point in time.

where you just have to post things and. then say thank you in the post but you. can't respond to people individually. just because it's just bad for your. brain yeah it's not healthy no and uh. you know I mean you're saying with. special operators but I see it with. Fighters I try to tell Fighters all the. time don't read that [ __ ] man it's not. this is and some guys love it really. David Goggins [ __ ] loves it does he. get in there after people he reads all. the comments out to he reads haters to. himself and he plays it when he runs oh. wow yeah he's a different kind of psycho.

wow that's interesting is that cheating. then if he's over he can't listen to. music then that's cheating he just needs. to listen oh yeah that's right that guy. has no knees and he runs a thousand. miles a day I mean whatever the [ __ ] he. has to do to do what he does that's. interesting so I do I haven't done it in. a while but I used to read go into the. negative reviews on Amazon and and then. read those and kind of have a little fun. with them and when I went on Tucker I. read the negative reviews from the show. and that was fun because they Daily. Beast was oh they were just mean there. were some mean ones out there like the. audience on Rotten Tomatoes was crazy. high for a show I mean it was in the.

high 90s yeah and then uh but then the. Audi the uh critics didn't weren't big. fans but every single day we realized. and we're making that show that we're. not making it for critics we're making. it for that person who went downrange to. Iraq and Afghanistan over the last 20. years so when they sit down and crack a. beer and sit on the couch and turn this. thing on that they at least know we put. in the effort to make a show for them. that paid tribute to them that was. rooted in the realities of Modern Combat. and uh we put in the work you [ __ ]. nailed it no no doubt and you nailed it. on the show though they made that show. so [ __ ] gritty and whenever someone.

makes an adaptation of a very brutal. novel or multiple novels like yours. you always wonder like oh God are they. going to be able to really do and they. did man they [ __ ] did yeah that's a. tribute to Chris Pratt and Antoine Fuqua. who were from the get-go they wanted. this thing they wanted to make it for. the people who went down range yes and. every single day we talked about that. knowing that there's going to be like. there's going to be Hollywood hot sauce. in anything you gotta you gotta gotta do. that but anywhere we could anywhere we. could re-root this in the realities of. Modern Combat we were going to do that.

if we had to reshoot something or change. something in the script on the Fly we. were gonna do that and that's that's. Chris and Antoine and the showrunner. David agileo and Max Adams former Army. Ranger who's in that writer's room every. day and and uh Jared Shaw my buddy who. was there every day who gave the book to. to Chris Pratt and uh and Raymond does. another seal buddy out there doing the. technical advising I mean they were all. in and you had Chris and Antoine and. David degilio trusting those guys on set. every day so if one of them said this is. not going to play to that person who. went to Iraq and Afghanistan we'd change. it right there that's pretty cool that.

is very cool and you know at the end of. the day those people that were critics. they were never gonna like it they don't. like that subject matter it's not you. really you really there's room for. criticism and the criticism should be. reserved for people that actually. understand what they're talking about. and. he looks something like The Daily Beast. it exists it's okay that's cool too. that's right it's cool to [ __ ] on them. yeah and it was fun to read it and have. a good time with it on uh on Tucker I. got so many uh people reaching out to me. saying they love that and we just had a. little fun on a Friday reading those. things and you know just reading their.

own words back to them and having a. little fun with it so yeah so that's. kind of a healthy way to deal with it. rather than than looking at it and just. trying to craft that response or like. getting mad about it like they're gonna. hate it anyway and that's okay that's. not their thing there's plenty of other. things out there that they can love and. that's that's okay we're gonna make. something something for us here and then. that's what we're doing we're taking. that guiding principle because I don't. think Amazon will ever none of those. streaming streaming companies will ever. share their their data but they know. exactly how many people watched every. single show when they change the channel. when they got to an end of episode and.

didn't go to the next one they have all. that data and uh that's the reason that. we're doing a spin-off and a second. season. um is because what's the spin-off so. spin-off is uh there's a character Ben. Edwards and uh so spoiler alert for. those who have not seen it we'll just. give you two seconds to to put the air. mouse on so he's killed at the end and. so it's a prequel that goes back to show. how he went from the SEAL Teams to the. CIA essentially how he turns bad it's. played by Taylor Kitsch who is just. awesome and that's one of the characters. I thought was more fully developed than.

the character in my novel and uh on the. page and then what Taylor Kitsch brought. to it was just Next Level so when we did. the premiere in LA in June and it. debuted on July 1st but we did the. premiere in June I came home and for. some reason I had a day without. interruption I don't know where my wife. and kids were but I was sitting in a. chair that would never sit in if I. didn't want to be interrupted and I. wrote from the second I woke up all the. way through the night until until they. got back and I wrote a spin-off and uh. and I sent it to the showrunner David. degilio and he loved it and then a.

couple days later Chris Pratt called and. he's like hey I have this idea for a. spin-off and he pitched me on it and it. wasn't mine it was not my spin-off mine. was totally different and his was this. Taylor Kitsch [ __ ] off of a spin-off a. prequel going back in time a little bit. and I said Chris that's amazing let's do. that that's a great idea and uh so he. pitched it to Taylor Taylor was all on. board and then we put a package together. and pitched it to Amazon and they loved. it and so off we go to the races with. this spin-off which is more of an. international Espionage type of a show. rather than revenge Thriller action. thriller conspiracy Thriller like the.

first one and it is awesome and also. nobody can compare it to a book so even. fans of the book that look at it and say. this is different this is different this. is different I hate it because there's. no prequel and then that leads right. into the second season True Believer. starring Chris Pratt so we'll roll right. into that and things in Hollywood as you. know can go off the rails at any time so. I always have you know that's just how. it goes but right now we're working on. those scripts or well we put the pencils. down about five days ago now six days. ago seven days ago for the writer strike. but we were about episode five and uh. it's good oh man it's awesome it's. awesome yeah yeah and so when was that.

supposed to go into production uh we're. supposed to do it sometime in the in the. fall and um or early fall and start. filming then and then post production. and you know who knows when they get it. out after that but. um. have they made progress with the strike. are they I don't know I think they're. picking around now so I think it's the. early stages still and there's so much. to negotiate I I mean I don't I don't. know but I would think it might take a. little bit with this one I don't know. yeah when someone crosses the ride or. strike that's that's some dirty [ __ ]. yeah across the picket line yeah I don't.

think I've ever seen anybody doing that. yeah I think someone did oh really yeah. I had a buddy of mine that was riding on. Ellen oh back in the day oh well that's. tough because then I'll be going forward. everybody know everybody's like hey. you're the one that didn't stand up well. also. what she's really all about and that's. another one of those like I'm so nice. and I'm so sweet and interesting yeah. very interesting so that's the yeah I. mean behind the scenes that's tough. that's weird when that happens like it. sounds a lot because people ask me about.

you people ask me and people give me. things to as you know people probably. send you things all the time people send. me stuff and you get this to Chris can. you get this to joke and you get this. the Tucker type things and you're like. um but uh it so that part is is kind of. strange but people always ask you know. what those people are like you know and. you know you are you you know how could. you fake this five days a week you. coupon stay there's no way you can fake. a talk show though I guess you're an. hour because you have an hour right not. only that you don't know the people. you're not having these uncensored.

conversations for hours yeah it's very. edited and it's also like there's an. audience there so you're playing to the. audience and you're well aware and. there's stuff that's filmed stuff that's. not filmed yeah you know Chris is the. same thing man Chris is so you know me. and my wife were having a conversation. about like actors you know and she she. was talking about someone that was very. annoying that and I said yeah I go it's. rare but it makes you cherish the ones. that are cool like Scott Eastwood. um Scott Eastwood. if you didn't know that he was Clint.

Eastwood's son if you didn't know he's a. big movie star he's like the [ __ ]. nicest most normal no ego having guy. just friendly and normal you talk to him. he's not needy he's just like right. there he's a great guy ah then but. unless you put two pictures of him and. his dad like from the 70s right now then. that's that's amazing resemblance yeah. he seems like an awesome guy strong. genes that is that's yeah those are good. ones right there those outlawed Jose. that's the picture that's the picture.

they [ __ ] jeans though not bad you. know if you had to choose good looking. guy not bad but yeah Chris so nice. they're the nicest I've ran into Chris. once uh accidental just randomly in. Hawaii with my family he was on I. believe he was on his honeymoon yeah at. that Four Seasons out there yeah. we were setting that uh setting some. stuff up for him he's gonna get him a. hot little house there they decided to. go with the and the actual hotel but um. and we'd spend some time together in. Utah. yeah yeah that was the first time I got.

to assistant so he'd optioned it in. before the book came out so January of. 2018 and we all met up in Utah and what. was it August of 2018. when I met you a. book was out for a few months yep I. focused out for a few months but uh but. yeah Chris saw it early because Jared. Shaw my buddy gave him up gave him a. copy because of a favor I did for Jared. and the SEAL Teams uh which I just did. because once again you want to help good. guys and he was getting out of the Seal. team so I introduced him to some people. in the private sector and followed up. and I forgot all about it and he never. did so he called me when the book was. when he heard that I had a book coming.

out so a few months before it came out. in November of 2017. he called me and. said hey man I always wanted to thank. you for what you did for me and I. couldn't remember what it was and uh and. he told me what it was and I said oh man. great how's it going he said uh it's. going great but I heard you have a book. coming out and I said yeah I can send. you an early copy if you'd like and he. said well I'd like to give it to a. friend of mine if that's okay and I said. yeah no problem who's that and Chris. Pratt so and that's who I thought about. playing the role when I was riding it. before he'd been in Guardians before. he'd been in Jurassic really so he'd. been in uh.

you thought about him and chubby. Christmas. and then but I saw him make the. transformation to seal operator in Zero. Dark 30. we had a very small role so I. thought okay I see this guy right here. look at that transformation and he seems. like an inherently likable person on and. off screen so and then I thought back. then I'm gonna give Chris a chance here. I'm gonna I'm gonna help his career. along because it looks like he needs. this is me uh writing my first sentence. of the book in Coronado California still. in the SEAL Teams uh in a little office. off our bedroom but I thought of Chris. Pratt and that's because back in the day.

everybody loved Magnum PI in the 80s and. because he was he was funny but he could. flip that switch yeah and he could get. it done in one episode we talked about. this once before uh there's an episode. where it's the first time on network. television where a protagonist kills a. bad guy who's unarmed and it's an. amazing episode they had to fight for it. and they got it and now it's a classic. episode of f-80s television and so I. thought about that flipping that switch. I thought about my background of the. SEAL Teams and coming home to wife and. kids and all that stuff and having to. flip that switch and I thought Chris is.

the guy who can pull this off he hasn't. done something like this hasn't been in. action films yet and so I thought of. Chris and I thought Antoine being the. director and because I love what he did. with training day and Tears of the Sun. and uh and a movie called shooter based. on point of impact by Stephen Hunter and. I just love Antoine's work so I thought. this is this is the guy and now we're. all three executive producers on it and. that's what I'm doing it so do you ever. wonder if you made that happen with your. brain like how much how much do you. think you manifest things with your mind. well it certainly didn't take up any of. that bandwidth worried about it not. happening and I think a lot of that.

comes from just knowing what I wanted to. do from a very early age serve my. country specifically as a seal and then. write Thrillers back from my my earliest. days so I set this I started building. this Foundation at age seven eight nine. ten eleven twelve Thirty forty reading. all these guys like Tom Clancy and. Nelson DeMille and AJ Quinnell and JC. Pollock and Mark golden and Louis Lamour. and Stephen Hunter all these guys back. in the 80s who had protagonists with. backgrounds I wanted in real life one. day so I read all those and I just loved. the Magic in those pages and knew that. one day I'd write those but that wasn't. my Machiavelli and I wasn't like I'm. going to read these today at age 12 so.

that one day I can write them at age 45. no I wanted to I just loved those books. and I was studying Warfare and. insurgencies and counter insurgencies. and terrorism and Special Operations so. I had this academic study of warfare. that's never stopped and then I had the. practical application on the field of. battle in Iraq and Afghanistan it all. came together at the right time and. place so I never worried about not. making it I only saw number one New York. Times bestseller on all those books I. read growing up I only saw those books. like first blood made into a film and so. that was what was always in my mind so.

if I write this book it's going to be a. number one New York Times bestseller and. it's going to be optioned by whoever I. want to make it a number one film and. that stuff happened but I didn't worry. about it not happening if that makes. sense maybe it's a little naivete which. is uh which seems to sometimes helps. yeah yeah exactly I didn't worry about. the odds I didn't think people love to. tell you the odds they're going to tell. you how hard it is what's your backup. plan you want to be an author what are. you really going to do when that fails. or you want to be a seal what are you. going to do when you don't make it. through buds anybody says that you stop. talking exactly yeah exactly there's.

there's no benefit in thinking that way. negative yeah I gotta get rid of those. people and if you do have a safety net. you might fall yeah yeah you might you. might make it but you might fall and. there's something to that and I don't. know why yeah I don't understand it I. don't understand the way reality works. it has that bandwidth because you're. worried you're thinking about those. other things where for me all my heart. and soul went into the book continue to. go into the books every single sentence. uh and and for me writing these kind of. books I don't have to go out there and.

find a sniper from ramadi in 2006 I. don't have to go find somebody who's in. an ambush I can remember what it was. like to be a sniper in ramadi or what it. was like to be ambushed in Baghdad in. 2006 and then my protagonist gets in an. ambush in Los Angeles California so I go. back and think of the feelings and. emotions associated with that event that. I was in and then I apply those. completely to a fictional narrative. without any filters so I don't have to. interview somebody and then have those. answers get filtered through other. interviews that I've done or other. movies I've seen or research that I've. done and then go into the page of the. book it goes right from my heart and. soul right into that page that's pretty.

amazing so I think that helped as well. and made us stand out to Simon Schuster. and makes it resonate with readers and. resonate to Chris and Antoine because. they both loved it and wanted to be. wanted to be a part of it and now. they're leading the charge on it and. they want to be involved from the get-go. all the way through from from writing it. to the the being a part of the writer's. room and as an advisor and then learning. that how that went down doing the. casting seeing everybody that came. through wanting to be in it and then. through production and post-production. and their marketing and advertising into. the premiere and then negotiations for a. second season and a spin-off and being a.

part of all that from the inside was I. learned so much over the last couple. years was really cool have you thought. about writing new characters have you. thought about making a new James Reese. or some something similar or some. complete different ecosystem some. complete different Universe yes yeah so. I love doing this I absolutely love. every part of the process writing this. so I'm going to write James Reese for as. long as I possibly can do that and have. the non-fiction that I'm so passionate. about with history so that'll be coming. out here in a year and a half and then. there's another thing in the works that.

got put on a little bit of hold because. the writer strike but I'll text you. about it when it uh when it comes. through but there's some other things in. the works. um that I thought would be done by now. but yeah writer strike everything goes. on hold for that but there's some other. things that will allow me to write some. other characters and work on some other. Productions I guess is the best way to. put it in Productions or it would be. novels or yeah both or some other. exactly both both yeah. yeah so we'll see there is like there's. a thing about getting trapped in the. success like you have the and also you.

have to have Chris Pratt on board you. can't you can't recast no I don't think. so I don't think so he's the guy he's. yeah I mean how many uh Jack Ryan's have. we had we've had uh one two three four. like five uh Jack Ryan's up to this. point so that one's that one survived. and people accepted that yeah it's so. close you know until close to the time. that a book came out maybe not but uh. yeah Alec Baldwin and Harrison Ford were. pretty close to those movies in the 80s. yeah yeah really in early 90s. um so there's so there is that but you.

never yeah you never know how things are. going to go it's like how many James. Bonds have there been yep exactly that. continues and uh so so there is so so. there is that there is precedent there. but uh but the casting was was really. interesting because you see these people. who you have you've grown up watching. who during the time was it's kind of. covered well it is cover time so they're. doing screen testing you're seeing these. people that everyone knows the name of. like doing a screen test wanting to be. in the show and I'm like part of that is. crazy it was crazy and then Taylor of. course just knocked out of the park when. we saw the screen test with him and.

Chris like there was no question like. Taylor is Ben Edwards and Taylor is just. an awesome dude he's so fired up to get. to where we just text him on the way. over here and he was uh he's so excited. to get to work on this next one and I'm. like yeah he just elevated that. character to a new level and such a good. stuck playing a bad guy though yeah but. now he gets to go back and kind of like. play around with it a little bit yeah. great action sequences that are just. next level and and Taylor's just such a. good he's one of those guys also totally. normal totally cool you want to sit down. have a beer with him they exist um have. a coffee with them yeah they exist just. an awesome dude it's just in that world.

it almost celebrates people that aren't. aren't genuine it's strange yeah it's. strange it's a pretend business it's a. business of pretending yeah well. everybody in that everybody in the show. that I can think of Gene triple horn. amazing. um she paid the Secretary of Defense uh. Lorraine Hartley yeah she's still around. that lady's done some great movies. amazing movie and so nice and so kind. and so normal. um but everybody uh Lamonica Garrett um. who's in 1883 right after our show he. left and went to do 1883 and uh oh such.

a good dude just a normal dude they just. want to hang out with him after UFC. together USC and uh in January July 2nd. when we went up there for the the. terminal list thing and Chris now has. the blood splattered terminal list thing. from the Octagon oh wow framed yeah oh. that's awesome I got a piece of it I got. a piece of the blood from that night oh. that's right the terminal has sponsored. the uh the actual event yeah and it was. on the canvas yep yep he's got the whole. thing and it's all covered in blood and. I have a square from it it's covered in. blood but yeah he's got the whole Banner. the whole middle part of the cage was.

pretty cool yeah we've shared elk camp. together and hung out he's a [ __ ] as. normal as can be if you didn't know that. that guy was a movie star you would. never guess it yep yep he's a big dude. too so he's you know it's hard for him. to blend in I think yeah big dude yeah. he's still always wrestler yeah good. solid guy but yeah everybody on that set. was so cool but you know it comes down. to Chris and Antoine to the leadership. and it comes down to them setting the. tone at that like Antoine at that. strategic level so up there as the the. the director executive producer right. there at the top setting that tone. strategically and then Chris right there.

also as the Tactical level inspiration. for everybody on set so everybody wanted. to be there and they're the top of their. games and so many people came up to me. on set and they didn't have to and they. said they'd been on hundreds of sets in. Hollywood and they've never felt like. this on a set before and it was just. something about it it was inspiring they. wanted to be there do their best work. and crush it because it was fun it was. fun to go to work well there's also. there's not a lot of guys like you that. wind up being successful authors it's a. very small. tiny group of people that have had the. kind of real world experience that.

you've had and then conveyed that into. fiction yeah yeah for me it's a very. very natural and very therapeutic but uh. but also I knew what I wanted to wake up. at age 45 and say hey can you make money. at writing what should I have been. reading for the last 30 years in. preparation for this uh that's what's. crazy it's like your life was like sort. of ordained like it's almost like this. Destiny well I think it's my parents. made uh made reading a natural part of. my life it wasn't something that was. forced upon me it was just as natural as. anything else and just reading is what.

we did my mom's a librarian so grew up. with the love of books and reading so. it's been as normal as having a phone I. guess for a lot of kids today but it's. normal for me to have books I've never. been without a book I've never been not. in the middle of a book and when I. finished one I'd start the next one I've. never had like a week wondering what I. should read next I've never had that my. entire life do you read uh do you listen. rather to audiobooks nope always read. yeah always read since that's how I how. I grew up that I love turning the pages. but I your books are the fastest growing. segment of publishing and I'm so. fortunate to have Ray Porter who's also.

an awesome guy by The Shakespearean. trained actor he's been in tons of shows. if you look up rape water you can see. just a list of shows that he's been in. he's great he's great as a voiceover guy. too he's like he does so many different. accents that's tough and I think about. it now as I'm writing I think about well. maybe I should say that this person has. some crazy accent in the first sentence. so that Rey doesn't read and get halfway. down the page and have to go back and. then start with it again so I do think. about Rey as I'm writing and trying to. make it the right things that make make.

sense for him says. to be kind so I don't get to the end and. uh and all of a sudden say this person. had some you know Rhodesian accent has. anybody ever come up to you and said uh. hey uh are you writing about me no no. not yet not yet but for the people that. I write about that could be bad guys uh. I don't have contact with any of that oh. well that's good yeah yeah so let him. hear about it not yet there's some you. know and it's you know we're all. products of our experience and uh you.

know what we what we decided to study. and so there are maybe some characters. in these books that might seem similar. to some people at uh higher levels of. government or uh or military and I've. kind of morphed some things together and. maybe make them worse or sometimes. better than they actually are. um so yeah we're a product of our of our. environments and uh and then the. education we choose to give ourselves. these days and what we pay attention to. in our life experience so all that ends. up in these pages so yeah no one's come. up yet though and been upset about it. what about you know one of the things. that you you deal with is like some very.

very corrupt and evil people that are. involved in military yeah that are in uh. management positions and executive. positions that [ __ ] over soldiers yeah. like that's have you encountered that in. real life or is that just your knowledge. of that well we all saw it with. Afghanistan so we so there is that you. see the process of people sitting on. these boards after their time in uniform. and then approving gigantic contracts. for these kinds companies uh in. positions that they were just in Prior.

where they had that chance to approve. and now they're on this board so that's. just a part of it. um and then I saw people get uh. get scapegoated for certain things in. the military to protect others higher up. the chain and you know that's just kind. of how it goes against any big. bureaucracy really but um I think it's. been a part of Just The Human Experience. from the beginning of time just like. violence what I do hear from people is. uh is that the violence part some people. like that and uh like is the probably. the wrong word but. um they they recognize that violence has.

been a part of the human condition from. the beginning of time and they like that. I don't pull any punches in the pages of. these things some people hate it they. like uh sanitized version of violence. and there's plenty of that out there and. that's not me so for me it's all about. the story and I never look at uh let's. say reviews talking about negative. comments before I never think about who. what's what's selling right now or I've. never had even my publisher and I didn't. know going in like what was going to. happen with agents and Publishers and if. they were going to say okay we have this. next time can you lay off on this or can. you can you do this a little more. because this is selling right now never.

never even a hint they've had complete. creative control on that side which is. different than screenwriting because in. screenwriting you have a team and all. those script tips and outlines they go. all the way up to the top of Amazon and. back down with notes and then you. incorporate those or you argue and come. to some sort of an agreement or whatever. it might be but team oriented on this. side only me on this side and I love. that my publisher and agent have never. hinted at doing anything differently. because if it fails it's all on me I. can't say man I knew I shouldn't have. listened to my agent or I shouldn't and. my only vision of Agents is uh it was.

Californication and Entourage like I had. no idea I didn't know anything so that's. what I thought agents were and that's. not my that's not my agent and she. doesn't give any input into uh into what. I do that's very fortunate is it is it. different than that from in most. people's experience like how many agents. have you had over the years uh I've had. a few agents but I've had the same. manager since I was an open micro do you. have to have an agent now or is it just. a manager yeah I mean I don't have to I. guess I probably could do everything. with the manager but I've had the same. agent since 2007 and I've had the same. manager since 1991. oh wow yeah no.

kidding yeah wow yeah my manager found. me when I was a beginner no when did you. get to L.A 94. 94. oh geez before yeah. that's wild yeah no way are they an LA. based person New York based okay well. one of them's in La Base one of them is. New York based um but yeah I've had the. same people forever and fortunately they. get me but that's the thing that you. know you can run into the wrong like in. Hollywood they're notorious for taking.

things that are very successful and. [ __ ] them up because they have their. input on it I mean that's what they did. with the Chappelle show and Dave. Chappelle was on top of the world yeah. the executives at Comedy Central [ __ ]. that whole thing up really yeah they. were telling him do this and do that and. you can do this and stop saying this and. stop doing that and he was like [ __ ]. this and he went to Africa and quit the. show I remember it was famous and didn't. do stand up for years for money like. literally would show up in Seattle he. would bring a microphone and like a.

little a portable speaker and just do. stand up in the park no way she didn't. know that part I remember when he quit. the show all went to Africa and yeah and. came back and it seemed like he was gone. for a decade almost he was gone for a. long time and and he just was thinking. about things and yeah trying to figure. out what he was doing and just didn't I. mean the the kind of Integrity that he. had to walk away from I think it was. like 50 million dollars crazy yeah time. was was it like a record set any type of. a record setting giant it was the.

biggest show on cable it was huge and it. only did two seasons it's to this day I. think the best sketch comedy show that's. ever been made and he walked away from. because they [ __ ] it up man if they. just left him alone if they were smart. they're like have fun right like what. they do at South Park just we'll leave. you alone yeah go have a good time you. know what you're doing there'll be some. controversy every now and again but of. course but controversy with who people. that weren't fans anyway right I mean it. was so funny the bottom line was it was. really really really funny and they came.

in and they made it no fun yeah our. little guy just got into it he's. watching them all right now. so good Clayton Bigsby the the blind. white supremacist that doesn't know he's. black the whole thing is genius I mean. the whole thing yeah and it's so. different also it's also so different. it's not safe so good no no no no no no. no it's so good which is but they wanted. to safen it up a little bit and they. they started [ __ ] with them and. talking to him about and he just felt. awful and you know he's a man of. integrity and he just said [ __ ] this man.

but they ruined it the executives ruined. the greatest sketch comedy show of all. time and they got one of the greatest. comedians that's ever walked the face of. the Earth to walk away from his own show. wow yeah amazing do they can [ __ ] it up. yeah they can get in there you know and. what a genius I mean his stuff oh my. gosh it's just so great no he's he's. awesome he was out here week one the the. second week that we were open at the. mothership that came by awesome and he. christened the little room oh it's so. awesome it looks so amazing I mean.

everybody listening to this is obviously. watched the video and seen that drone go. in those doors and and take the tour of. that whole place right before the day. you opened I think it was that rant the. Bill Burr rant which is like the perfect. rant to have over it so great perfect. that guy I love listening to that guy. it's so funny yeah and that rant was. just so perfect for that video and what. what we're trying to do yeah you guys. are crushing it's turned Austin into. like the comedy capital of the country. it's amazing so remember you told me. about it beforehand you know and I was. like oh yeah he came to the right place.

when you left L.A I remember you're. looking at a couple different places and. I think you chose I know you chose the. right spot to come and then to build. this what you built here is so inspiring. and so cool. um but that one when I saw that video I. was like oh because you told me about. like a year in advance a year and a half. whatever it was and I was so excited. when I saw that video and I texted you. about it and that was just awesome I'm. just so fired up that that is here it's. a destination you made this a. destination for comedy yeah it's pretty. cool it's pretty cool it's almost. surreal yeah when we're there Tony and I.

Tony Hinchcliffe and I were there. sometimes we just go how the [ __ ] did we. do this seriously I can't believe we did. this like it really really worked and it. were and it was such a weird gamble. because you had a I left La in the. middle of this Spotify deal this. enormous deal and they were like what. the [ __ ] are you doing you're gonna go. to Texas how are you going to get guests. how are you going to do that you know it. was like there's so much to it like how. do you do this but I was like. I just like I I have a compass like it's. like that way go that way have you.

always had that yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm. a I'm a risk taker like when I feel like. something is the thing to do you should. take a risk yeah you have to yeah I. think that that's uh that's a giant. component for Success you cannot play. safe and there's sometimes where it. seems counterintuitive and other people. are going to think it's a terrible idea. and you got to not listen to them yeah. you got to be able to just jump on it. yeah we call it in Sniper School a bold. adjustment so give a certain amount of. time on that line and you have.

especially if you're doing something. with like a an old M14 type of a thing. when you're starting out and doing these. clicks on your on your scope and on your. uh on your elevation and like bold. adjustments gentlemen I remember them. walking down the line saying that so. you're not like taking a tiny click. because they've got to get people. through this course or get them out of. the course or whatever it is so bold. adjustment okay went there boom halfway. back bang you're on instead of these. little tiny it's very safe tiny little. adjustments that keep you on that line. for another hour bold adjustments is. what they told us so that's what that's.

what it sounds like here and uh yeah I. mean it's awesome I can't wait to go and. check it out it's uh I think it sounds. crazy but I think the universe rewards. that yeah I mean you have to otherwise. you just have a safe I mean you get one. shot yeah one shot at life yeah and uh. and one shot to well you can learn from. successes and failures so why not learn. from them and take some risks and do it. because you're not coming back well. maybe we don't know maybe yeah who knows. yeah maybe you're just doing it over and. over and over and over and over again. and that's one of the reasons why I'm. willing to take these chances maybe.

because I've [ __ ] it up before and I. know nope it's Now's the Time to get. moving this is your 500th time yeah. going through this remember when you. stayed in L.A let's get the [ __ ] out of. there time to go it's time to not be. depressed yeah it's the first time I. came out was LA and that was a crazy. time to come out because that was covid. so the book hit the New York Times list. and uh Then you texted and I jumped in. the car and drove on out and there's. nobody on the roads that was crazy that. was April of uh early late April early. May of 2012. yeah yeah nobody on the. roads nobody on the 405 like that was.

super weird yeah and then we got to talk. about covet on the on the uh the thing. and I remember it was still a time when. when uh the Wuhan lab was conspiracy. theory stuff oh yeah and I remember just. that we talked about it I didn't put it. as eloquently as uh as Jon Stewart did. when he talked about the Wuhan lab. coronavirus thing and the Hershey the. bit where he does on uh hey if there's a. outbreak of chocolatey goodness in. Hershey Pennsylvania you might want to. look at the Chocolate Factory that guy. was genius but we did talk about it and. at the time you know that was conspiracy. theory craziness and I was like well. there is a lab there so if I was a.

detective in any big city in the United. States I'd probably call that a clue. whether you want to look into it you. should look into it and also how did. that become a conspiracy theory I mean. how what what fantastic level of. manipulation and propaganda did they. impart on the United States that that. was a conspiracy theory that a. respiratory coronavirus lab in Wuhan. China definitely couldn't be this the. place it's like a block away yeah it's. certainly not that place it could be. anything else we're not sure but it's. certainly not the coronavirus lab a.

block away from the outbreak like. looking back on it at the time I had. been very fortunate to be friends with. people that I actually understood. viruses and actually understood. you know the fair and cleavage sites and. the the way that viruses normally jump. from uh an animal host to a human the. natural spillover yeah there's so many. different factors that pointed to the. the idea that this is a gain of function. research project that went wrong.

and that's what it was and there's still. people out there that deny that that one. little guy that little fella. yeah there is no evidence. that little [ __ ] but that's that's the. manipulation part where as a populist we. have to realize that we are being. manipulated. in many instances but that one guy's. been manipulating people that way his. entire career did you ever read the. Robert Kennedy book no one's on my list. but I have not holy [ __ ] pretty good.

I need to read that so these days I read. uh for people coming on the podcast I've. read every book for people that have. come on thus far I don't know if I'll. always be able to. um but uh I think some of those books. would have fallen to lower on the. priority list if they weren't coming on. the podcast but some of those. conversations that I've had in the books. I've read have made it into the pages of. the novel so there's all this this. overlap to include this one uh Brian. Moore has a book called The able archers. and it talks about a nuclear exchange. that almost happened between the United. States and the Soviet Union in 1983 and.

there was one guy in the Soviet Union an. officer on watch that night who was not. supposed to be there because I was. supposed to be there got sick so this. one guy steps up goes in for the person. who's sick and he's the one guy who. studied the United States and he's he's. uh I'm an intellectual and he's put in. this time and effort into understanding. the Strategic uh kind of aspects of this. conflict in the Cold War and there's a. launch from the United States icbm's. heading towards the Soviet Union that's. what shows up on their screen and what. he's supposed to do is launch back and. he has pressure from above to Launch.

it's the protocol and he doesn't because. he's like this isn't right and it was a. glitch in their system that showed yeah. and there's all these other things that. play to. um Korean Airlines flight 007 that was. shot down earlier there's all these. things happening that uh would lend. themselves exactly exactly so we and. those those documents were just I think. it was it might be I might be off by a. year or two but I think it was 1999 when. these documents were finally uh. Declassified. um so well after the end of the Cold War. and uh but things like that so I read.

that book and had that conversation with. this guy and he's a really nice guy a. great guy I've been in the intelligence. World by his whole career and that made. it into the pages of this novel so. there's overlap but uh but Robert. Kennedy has not been on the podcast yet. so I have not read that book but I've. been meaning to read it it sounds. fascinating he was just on Russell. Brand's podcast and he talked about. um his uh uncle and his father's. assassination. holy [ __ ] his recall is amazing his. ability to just remember all these.

different different pieces that were in. play particularly with the JFK. assassination and Lee Harvey Oswald and. the fact that Leo Harvey Oswald was a. CIA asset and that he had defected to. Russia but as a fake defection and all. the the different pieces that were in. place that you could point to there's. there's so much evidence he's like if we. went into this he said to. um. to Russell that if we just wanted to. cover the evidence that the CIA killed.

JFK he goes this would be a 10 hour. podcast yeah no it's uh it's fascinating. and it makes it you haven't gotten to. the stage in the book yet but I don't. give too much away don't give away yeah. but uh you'll like when you get to the. certain part you'll be like no way. because I think nobody is going to. expect this part of the book to uh to go. the way it does but uh point being it. takes us back to that assassination and. so crazy early 90s remember I mean. Oliver North on on here which is Alvin. Rose books fascinating. um but uh you have Congress mandating. mandate law that the United States has.

to declassify these documents by a. certain date and two administrations. after a visit from the CIA neglect to do. that or they let some things out but not. everything like is mandated by law right. all these years after so if they're not. involved and they might not be but. they're certainly going well out of. their way to make it themselves look. guilty like really trying hard to make. themselves look ill but I feel like them. making themselves look guilty is safer. than removing all doubt maybe yeah and. because it is because we're not talking.

about I mean Tucker talked about it on. his television show and he boldly. claimed the CIA you know killed him but. it was a weird way he did it like he. said someone told me and he doesn't. release that person's name it's like the. way uh Robert Kennedy Jr talks about it. on Russell Brand's podcast it's like in. I want to listen to that depth yeah but. it's just this holy [ __ ] yeah it's. incredible I mean I mean in most of my. books I make mention and this one in. particular go back to the church. hearings and the pike hearings of the. 70s that uh exposed some overreach by.

agencies in the federal government. particularly the CIA but uh as a. pertains to the Kennedy assassination it. is so strange all these years later they. still walk into the Oval Office and have. a private conversation and walk out and. all of a sudden these these documents. that are mandated to be released by law. or not yeah like so odd but this one. also a friend of mine married into the. Kennedy family so I went back to. hyannisport got to meet Robert Kennedy I. spent some time with Ethel Kennedy and. it was it was amazing and that. experience also informs uh if you've got. I think you've got into that chapter.

already where he goes to meet the uh the. old woman and uh so that part inspired. this book right here and that was really. cool to be back there and see look at. this chair and in this chair there's a. little little table next to it and you. see a picture of JFK watching the. election results come in and you look at. the picture and you look at the chair. and it's him in that chair right there. it's amazing it was it was really. interesting to be in that uh that part. of the world uh in that place. um with that family somebody had. inspired this old history yeah yeah big.

time yeah but India had inspired this. and I mean who knows if we'll ever get. to the the bottom of that assassination. and it wasn't that long ago like when we. were born we thought it was a long time. ago like let's say 1983 or something 63. is a long time ago when you're a kid but. now looking back it's everything's. relatives that time space continuum. thing whatever that is that's a real. deal time speeding up as you get older. and sure it's uh I saw a meme the other. day and it said if Marty McFly went back. in time today he'd be going back to 1993. or something like that Jesus yeah know. well how about World War One was a.

hundred years ago crazy well yeah a. little over but yeah yeah I mean there's. nothing yeah that's nothing World War II. less yeah Vietnam much less yeah Korea. less yeah and uh yeah Donnie Edwards who. has the best defense Foundation he uh. has a picture of himself with a World. War One veteran. um which is pretty cool and so my. daughter who's 17 we've been we went to. Pearl Harbor and took 62 veterans back. to Pearl Harbor for the 80th anniversary. commemoration events about a year and a. half ago uh last June we went to. Normandy so she's on Normandy with.

somebody who is the first out of his. landing craft storming the beach and. she's there on this beach with him and. he's 100 years old right now hearing. that story from him and I'm getting. pictures of them talking together and so. one day she'll say I have a picture with. a World War II veteran how many what. percentage of guys died on that beach I. don't know exactly I don't know that. exact numbers but it was uh a lot and. then a lot when you I mean you think. about the Pacific Campaign and they did. that over and over again Island after. Island after Island and then those guys.

came home and what did they do they got. back to work they didn't complain they. built the country into what it is today. and that's a little different it was a. different time different kind of human. being yeah and a lot of those guys. didn't even talk about it until just a. little while ago it's just fascinating. the the different kinds of human beings. that exist depended upon the amount of. adversity they've overcome yeah exactly. exactly I think that's why they started. Outward Bound they did this this uh this. study and they found I think it was. World War One uh I might get this a. little off but the general gist is is on.

track and they found that people dying. in the North Atlantic that were there. like Treading Water trying to survive. trying to Signal another boat where the. older guys were surviving and the. younger guys that should be in better. shape with their whole life ahead of. them were the ones that weren't and they. thought well this is because those. people haven't faced as much adversity. as the older people so they started this. Outward Bound thing and get kids in the. outdoors have them do a solo out there. by themselves for a couple nights and. put them in these positions that are. uncomfortable and um I think that's why. that started but there's something to. that isn't that the case with like ultra.

marathon runners a lot of those like cam. hands age like 55 maybe probably yeah. probably but yeah the younger generation. they think we're on ultra marathon or. want to make another Tick Tock video. Yeah It's A Hard Sell that's a hard sell. I don't know it's a that's an. interesting thing in the world of. fighting because as the as Fighters get. older they they have more experience. more understanding more toughness but. the body doesn't work right anymore. that's tough and that's it right there. so it's a privilege to be getting old. that's for sure especially if you spend.

some time in a but it's funny occupation. nature balances it out yeah you know. yeah we had we had Cowboy come in the. show he did he had a cameo he had a. cameo Chris Pratt got to put a tomahawk. in his head and uh that was awesome. that's right yeah he flew in for the day. did that it was awesome we had a great. time doing that we got to go out to I. spent some time with him also on the. Range out at Sig free uh not sick. Freedom days but they have this sniper. course they do in Utah the last couple. years we got to spend some time together. out there and uh man what a good dude he. was he was awesome he's the best and he. and cowboy insisted on falling a very.

specific way right yeah he knows don't. meant no makeup either Cowboy didn't put. on makeup good for yeah exactly none of. this you know going in and putting the. stuff now and they're like well we have. to have a double Fall for You nope nope. he's doing it all and you're like who I. can argue with him no yeah I'm gonna put. some the makeup person gonna like no I. have to do this nope they just back. right off so he was fun to spend some. time with uh both in in Utah with Sig. and then at the on the set that was. really cool to have a couple touch. points with with him over the last year. again that's a guy who's overcome a lot.

of [ __ ] adversity yeah you know and. that's why he's got that character there. it is. there it is Bam. yeah see there's no that floor isn't. padded that floor is not padded right. there at least it's just banging his. head yeah he was not concerned zero. concerns about banging his head that. dude he's one of the wildest guys I've. ever met because the [ __ ] that he does. outside of fighting which is wild like. they're always trying to get him to calm. down because he's always doing things. like jumping jet skis and snowmobiles.

just just doing so much wild [ __ ]. outside of fighting which is the wildest. [ __ ] thing you could do as a sport. yeah yeah I mean remember back in the. day when uh Point Break came out and. Patrick Swayze was jumping every weekend. like actually jumping out of planes and. they were trying to with insurance like. trying to get him to not do that oh were. they yeah so I remember that story from. back back in the day and then what do we. just see Mission Impossible whatever. number it's coming up on now with Tom. Cruise doing that jump and broke his. ankle um oh did he yeah well he jumped.

off that on that bike off that Cliff. like a number of times that was in one. take that was a incredible videos out. there that show him training for it and. then doing it and how old is he 60. crazy yeah he jumped from one building. to the next and shattered his ankle and. he made impact there's a video of his. ankle crumbling as it hits the wall yeah. and then he's like well for the next one. we got to up it and I'm gonna take this. motorcycle and jump off this cliff and. like was it Norway or something like. that but insane I mean amazing he's out.

of his [ __ ] mind yeah you're not. jumping out of planes right no yeah you. don't do that no no surfing no yeah I'm. [ __ ] sharks yeah it's not interested in. sharks yeah I was reading this story. about that woman uh Bethany I forget her. last Hamilton yeah she got her arm. bitten off by a shark and then got right. back in there I'm like okay. yeah yeah so my little guy uh I shall. come a little guy but uh he's awesome. and he's 12. and he hadn't been to Pearl. Harbor yet my daughter has so we took. him for his spring break we took him out.

to to Oahu and went to uh Pearl Harbor. and so we got to go to the Arizona. Memorial and then USS Missouri and then. up to Punchbowl National Cemetery up. there but uh but we got there and he's. surfing out there we went with a family. that really knows what they're doing. surfing and uh so we did that and then. we went on a shark dive at age 12. wow. so we're going out there with these. three and now that you know I'm the age. that I am. um these people are very young that are. taking us out there that are shark. experts and we go out there and uh and. in a boat and off you go and they have a.

photographer there who's studying sharks. at the University of Hawaii and then you. get the shark expert also studying. sharks at the University of Hawaii but. they're like 21 maybe and uh and we ZIP. down there and they're looking at making. sure there's no tiger sharks and uh we. go in and we do this dive and our little. guys is just snorkeling we dive down and. they get the picture and you're seeing. these sharks and you learn a little bit. about them and then we get back and uh. the same day we find out that on Oahu. somebody got chomped so it was just. about a month and a half ago and some. girl diving somewhere not in Hawaii but.

like in the Maldives or somewhere like. that. um also got chomped doing the exact same. kind of snorkeling thing that a little. guy was doing but I like how you say you. know if you're not going into the water. like that then you're not going to get. eaten by a shark you know it's like it's. just kind of like if you don't jump out. of the plane like then you're not going. to burn in yeah and I'd like the jumping. like in the military I liked jumping out. like flying I shouldn't say I like. jumping I did not like going to the exit. because that's when you're like okay. here we go you jump out whether it's. dark and you got all your stuff on or. whatever it might be but I like the. flying around so the flying around was. very cool and Free Fall I saw a video.

recently of a guy who jumped out of a. plane for a god his hell his his. parachute oh that's the experience. jumper too you see that I was filming it. no yeah he's filming it yeah and forgot. to put his shoot on no like in the 90s I. think yeah yeah. wow well we have a couple of things in. place in the military that at least. would you know prevent that I think so. you have a jump Masters then they're. checking all your stuff and making sure. you're good but the flying around is. pretty cool the pulling not so much. because then you come for me anyway look.

guys love it but uh for me when it came. time to pull I was like okay here it is. this is either gonna open or it's not. and if it doesn't then I have procedures. I need to go through I gotta remember. those and all that stuff and in my free. fall class two people died really yeah. the student and instructor ran into each. other like oh boy and they just. destroyed it just yeah we had one more. jump to go so we spent uh hours combing. the desert looking for the bodies and uh. and we still had to get back and uh and. jump again after that so that was. interesting and then a buddy of mine. burned in amazing guy such a great guy.

Mike Bearden just a such a solid dude. um went through buds with him and then. he he burned in right before they sent. me to Free Fall So when you say burned. in uh mouthpie malfunction and then died. yeah hit the ground but uh amazing guy. such a a cool person just a solid human. being and then so like the next week. they send me and like another guy who. were his best friends to jump school so. that was interesting but uh and then. have two people die in your class have. to do the investigation so then you're. sitting there on base waiting for this.

investigation to be down for like a week. week and a half and then you do your. final final jump so. it's not without its risks that's. definitely I think that's part of the. excitement about it maybe so I ask Andy. about it you know he's not doing I don't. think he's doing it too much anymore. Andy Stone and he's out of his [ __ ]. mind yeah I don't think he's done it in. a while though I don't think it's been a. little bit since I've seen him do a base. job he'll do it he's just doing them was. he doing baby. still yeah maybe not the best jumping. maybe it's been the base jumping that's. been on pause for a little bit yeah. maybe you know I don't know maybe.

concentrate on the coffee shop and maybe. not so much. he's out of his [ __ ] mind yeah but. it's cool but it's yeah damn I mean like. that's a rough way to go that's tough. well he's doing the flying squirrel suit. [ __ ] too yeah yeah it's like Trevor. Thompson those guys who's been on here. like is this what is this one is this. Andy yeah look at him go yeah they just. jumped over yeah look at that look at. this this is amazing that is wild yeah. look at that and the photo they got. [ __ ] crazy seven jumps Seven Days. Seven Continents to raise money for. folds of honor and uh these look at that.

that look how bizarre the pyramids look. in the juxtaposition to to Cairo yep yep. years ago and I see that one right there. in the right far right I climbed to the. top of that one and a long long time ago. when it was all dark outside I bribed. some guards uh we took out some horses. and rode out to that thing in the middle. of the night climbed up to the top and. then watched the sun rise over Cairo I. gotta get out there I still have never. been it's a really cool place and the. same thing Taj Mahal also I went to the. Taj Mahal years ago and you think it's.

going to be gaudy and you get there it. is beautiful it is just incredible to. see some of these places I'm just so. fascinated by the pyramids though how. they made them yeah and also this just. these insanely complex cultures that. vanish they just do they go away yeah. like what happened right like what is. that and then this is the thing that I. think about when I think about America. today that every Empire collapses and. one of the things that Douglas Murray. has talked about it's really fascinating.

to me. um he said every society when it's at. the verge of collapse becomes obsessed. with gender I've seen that which is real. weird and not good for us because if. it's any [ __ ] society it seems like. we're overly focused on some of these. things right now yeah and uh so if. you're it's let's say you're Iran you're. Russia you're China you're North Korea. look at these [ __ ] they're going down. exactly yeah yeah super empowered. individual you're a terrorist. organization you might just want to lay. back a little bit and watch because. we're doing a pretty good job of. destroying ourselves from the inside and.

I'm sure they're helping I'm sure. they're helping social media I'm sure. there's like I mean one of the things. they found out on Facebook was that 19. of the top Christian sites were run by. Russian troll Farms really yeah oh my. gosh yeah well 19 of the top 20. and. they're just saying wild [ __ ] trying to. start a holy wolf he's trying to divide. oh my gosh and then we get like okay so. we have aliens we have some spaceships. in here. um I mean in the news imagine that. coming out in 1985. yeah I don't know.

what to think about that I go back and. forth and back and forth you know part. of me thinks some of it is real and part. of me thinks a good percentage of is. probably like some Black Project yeah. that they're not telling us about that. there's some insanely complex drone an. unmanned drone that has capabilities. beyond what we think of right in terms. of uh you know conventional propulsion. systems right no certainly a possibility. a lot of those sightings were in fact. the black helicopters they're black. helicopters but they're training for.

overseas and they just have to go to. these cities every now and again. yeah back in the day remember the 80. there was a model of it I remember a. Marvel I forget the model anyway I built. some Old World War II planes back in the. day and I always see this stealth bomber. that was like a uh interpretation from. the toy company that made these models. of a stealth bomber and it was pretty. darn close when they actually revealed. it years later. um so I I distinctly remember that but. uh did you have the guy that like is it. a Navy pilot Commander okay. yeah but two guys Ryan Graves and.

Commander fraver Baltimore fastening um. Commander fraver was the one that off. the coast of San Diego in 2004 he. encountered that that object that went. from more than 50 000 feet above sea. level to 50 in less than a second. yeah they have no idea what it did they. they it was blocking the tracking. systems they got visual. um I they they saw it visually they have. footage of it they have video footage of. it multiple Jets encountered this thing.

and when it zipped off at the same rates. of speed it returned to their cat point. so the place where they were supposed to. go meet up later it went there like I. know where you're going [ __ ] wild yeah. I don't know what it is they don't know. where they think there was something. else that was under the water that it. was uh interacting with something that. was under the water because it was. ripples like there was like almost like. a submarine jeez so whatever that thing. was that that they encountered that sort. of that man uh Commander fravor who's so.

Rock Solid yeah when you talk to him. he's not a loon in any shape or it was. just a [ __ ] dedicated lifelong pilot. military man who's just. he says credentials are impeccable wow. and when he talks about it it's it's. pretty stunning and also the attitude. that a lot of the higher-ups had like. they were aware of it and that they talk. to people on the Nimitz and they were. saying yeah we see these things every. couple weeks that's and they closed. those guys say they they're some of the.

things they saw were classified really. yeah and then there was Ryan Graves who. said that I believe it was in 2014 they. upgraded all of their equipment and then. they started seeing these things because. the equipment of new capabilities and. they're seeing these things that are 120. knot winds completely motionless just. staying and just totally still which is. like how no no heat signature no visual. means of propulsion they don't know what. the [ __ ] these things were doing moving. in insane rate to speed occasionally.

um shadowing them they try to find them. they try to catch up and they take off. they couldn't keep up with them they. don't know what they are they're just. crazy something that was a cube inside a. sphere did those guys write books or did. they forget did they did. but Commander fraver I first saw him on. Lex Friedman's podcast and then I had. him on mine okay to talk to him about it. but it's it is a fascinating encounter. where did you get uh into the UFOs and. all that sort of thing oh I don't know I. think since I was a kid it's just fun.

you know just because I think it's. interesting yeah I got obsessed with the. Roswell crash and then you know uh. reading all these different books about. it and but it wasn't until talking to. people that have had experiences that. really Burns in your head right because. you're talking you can kind of get a. sense of people are [ __ ] artists you. know you kind of get the Bob Lazar ones. the most bizarre I don't know Bob Lazar. is the gentleman that worked on area S4. uh site four Area 51 he worked back.

engineering with this thing that they. said that they had recovered and they. were trying to figure out how the. propulsion system worked and they. brought him on and they don't tell him. what these things are what is like hey. tell us how this works and he's in this. thing that's designed for something. that's three feet tall. these these completely smooth surfaces. this metal that they don't understand. they this visual really the metal the. actual thing yeah that it was like in. the movies where like we don't have any. evidence of this ever existing what the.

[ __ ] it is they they there was different. he said the problem with it is that. these science doesn't exist in a vacuum. you need a bunch of scientists comparing. notes and trying to discuss it but. everything was top secret and classified. so they couldn't do that so they brought. in people who the Metallurgy people and. they br and they were not allowed to. communicate with the people that were. the propulsions experts they were not. allowed to to communicate with people. who supposedly had some sort of contact. with the biological entities ah and then.

there's this amazing documentary that. was just released recently called moment. of contact about Virginia Brazil in 1996. there was a crash and Not only was a. crash but there's a crash in these. bodies uh yeah one of them was alive. what and injured this Soldier pick this. thing up they carry this thing to. multiple different hospitals they did. autopsies on this thing and then the. soldier who encountered it died of a.

horrific bacterial infection that they. could not describe they didn't know what. it was they didn't know how he got it. and he got it from being in contact with. this entity supposedly what oh my God. what's it called moment of contact it's. incredible that's insane what's. incredible too is this one of these guys. one of the soldiers that was in this. documentary they bring him to the crash. site and this guy starts weeping and. he's talking about it I mean unless this. guy's like the greatest [ __ ] actor. the world's ever known the way he reacts.

when he sees this site when he describes. his experience when they found this. thing that it crash landed and there's. also documentation that the Air Force. had flown a jet to Virginia and returned. with whatever the [ __ ] they caught. whatever they got there and brought it. back to the United States that is wild. you know Jackie Gleason supposedly had. an encounter with Nixon that Nixon and. Gleason were buddies they were drinking. and yeah yeah that's a famous story. that's disputed but apparently let's go.

with it though yeah let's go with it. Gleason apparently it said. um that Jackie Gleason and him were. drinking and uh and Nixon was like. everyone saying [ __ ] UFO. no way yeah and and he flew him to see. wreckage and they had uh Frozen. biological entities and they got a. chance to see these things that they had. uh that they had Frozen what yeah. what so that must have been like early. 70s yeah something like that and Jackie.

Gleason wound up having a house built in. the shape of a UFO afterwards no yeah. that was for sale as recently as I think. like a decade ago see if you can find. that house in L.A or something no it's. in Upstate New York. but the house looks like a [ __ ] UFO. no he had a UFO House built. yeah Jackie Gleason apparently was. obsessed with UFOs after the fact yeah. Upstate yeah Upstate New York spaceship. house no yeah.

and that picture makes it look bigger. okay that's serious. that's beautiful oh that's two different. buildings oh yeah oh they have his first. one like the guest house yeah oh I see. small building yeah look at that wild. that's amazing yeah so Jackie Gleason. became a UFO freak man I'm gonna do that. after this that's a pretty cool looking. house yeah it's pretty dope oh my God I. wonder if it's still for sale entrance. to the Mothership woo I'm gonna talk to. my wife about this one again yeah this. is serious right here well now you have.

this sig spear so they so there's a lot. of UFO stuff on this sig spear so maybe. this should be reserved for taking out. the aliens I don't want to take them out. well. if they do attack I think they could. render you useless almost. instantaneously but then too they're. kind of like why wouldn't they just sit. back and watch I think they're if. they're I passed right by if I had a. guess if I had a guess I mean just the. wildest of speculations I would guess. that every civilization reaches a point.

of technological proficiency when. they're also dealing with these. territorial uh warring tribes where they. have the ability to literally destroy. the Earth and that if this is a natural. course of progression for intelligent. beings they get to this point there's a. transition where it gets very dangerous. and if I was from another planet and I. was monitoring this I would be there to. make sure that they don't launch okay. they don't and that's see that's the. theme of the mothership comedy club is.

that the rooms are called fat man and. little boy and the reason why the rooms. are called fat man and little boy is. because that is a specific moment in UFO. folklore when the aliens start arriving. after the detonation of those bombs. that's when you start seeing this. massive uptick in sightings really yes. and interactions with fighter pilots and. and and and these different. um military bases that have uh nuclear. programs where the bases get shut down. and all the power goes off yeah there's.

like that's wild yeah it's it's heavy. stuff because if you think that there. are they are watching that would make. the most sense that they see that we. have nuclear power we have the the. ability to blow ourselves up and we. detonate two bombs and then they're like. okay let's [ __ ] let's let's go. monitor these [ __ ] let's go make. sure they take too much in the universe. one country right now has them let's. [ __ ] specifically concentrate on them. and then they have sightings in the.

Soviet Union when the Soviet Union has. the capabilities and no yeah there's a. there's a ton of documented sightings. and these encounters that happen and. then beforehand there's not really. anything very little very little very. well I'm sure they've probably been. visiting us if if they do visit us yeah. I would imagine they've been visiting us. forever like look they've got engines. look they've got guns look they've got. this you know it'd be fascinating to. watch like look at these territorial. Apes with nuclear weapons like that's. the time to watch right now they're.

probably just sitting back having that. popcorn and being like Oh man well it's. getting interesting now we're getting. closer and closer to our our [ __ ]. inevitable demise like that's when the. sightings are ramped up to the point. where the Pentagon has to start talking. about it and they are yes in front of. Congress yes I mean that's wild yeah but. no one pays attention let's go back to. you know Tick Tock and Instagram well I. mean they kind of pay attention but it's. not there's nothing that you could. [ __ ] put your fork into right you. know it's like what is it like and are. why are they telling us about this.

that's also there's a lot of cynicism. when it comes to like why is the. government telling us about UFOs like a. distraction you mean but what is it like. what are they telling us because they. really have this information and they. they want to slowly leak it out because. this is an inevitable contact moment and. they want to prepare civilization or is. it just horseshit is it just they're. distracting us and this is how they you. know Institute this drone program where. they have this you know anti-gravity. device and they can move at the same. rates of speed I don't know I mean it's.

just guess work that's crazy yeah that's. crazy you could hear from directly from. these guys who've actually seen it. experienced it yeah and talked with them. for a little bit I've talked to quite a. few now quite a few that have that have. seen these things and have these. experiences but the babos are one is. uniquely compelling uniquely compelling. because Bob is without a doubt a. brilliant guy and and he was a. legitimate propulsions expert who it's. been proven he worked at Los Alamos labs. and they tried to hide that they tried.

to lie about that and say that he wasn't. what he was on the employee roster he uh. has a an intimate knowledge of the. facilities they took him George Knapp. took them on a tour of Los Alamos. everything was he knew the people there. they knew him wow it's wild [ __ ] man. because if he's telling the truth he. says is not one that they've recovered. but multiple and that one of them they. think is really old and they got it from. an archaeological dig. they think that they recovered this. thing in the ground that's movie stuff I. mean you see that movies and you know we.

all watch it in movies and think it's. science fiction but there's a lot of. Science Fiction that has has uh come to. fruition from submarines to go into the. moon to there's also space travel in. general flight just flying sure all of. it everything we're just like Buck. Rogers no big deal but I remember you. like I remember uh we got back to. Coronado which is one of the like steel. hubs Virginia beaches the other we're in. Virginia Beach went back there and I. think you did a did you do a bit on um. flight when you're like about when. internet first became available on on a.

flight and I I and you're like people. first time a Southwest flight whatever. it was hey we have internet for the. first time on this flight and uh and. here's the password for your internet. thing and a guy opens it up and whatever. and opens it up and it's it's it it. doesn't work for a second and he slams. it down oh that's Louis CK had a job. yeah yeah exactly exactly he's flying. through the air yeah literally and you. look around from space exactly like but.

instead you're like ah garbage doesn't. work yeah what the hell's going on here. that's people that haven't had to. develop those things that don't. appreciate them I mean how many people. get mad their Wi-Fi cuts out and they're. fine ugly yeah I mean it's just it. allows that level of anxiety in your. life and Just Gotta Be You know I mean. it's tough you got to figure out how to. manage that just like these negative. comments we're talking about yeah like I. won't go into the comments on this one I. mean imagine what people are going to. say about uh UFOs and everything else in. the comments yeah I think people that. listen to this podcast love UFOs.

it's such a fun thing to be excited. about I mean and it might be the thing. that could save us from demise if if we. really are on this path of mutually. assured destruction with Russia and with. China with China invading Taiwan which. seems also inevitable it's terrifying. terrifying stuff and also something in. the pages of this novel I don't think. yeah you could get there yet there's a. sentence about it in there in the. earlier chapter so I try to just things. that are on my mind work your way into.

the pages of these things as well so. China Taiwan is in there Ukraine is in. there of course and there's some other. things that'll be a surprise to people. in these pages but uh for me it's a. great Outlet because I get to think all. these things that I'm thinking about or. worried about or whatever else I get to. weave into these pages and think about. them alone with no interruption well. most of the time there's some. interruptions in our house with three. kids dog and everything else going on uh. but it's fantastic I mean I actually. enjoy the interruptions because I know. when they're gone I'll miss them yes. yeah well that's great uh your ability. to see that because sometimes it's hard.

for people when you're in the middle of. things yeah yeah you're building and you. can be solely focused on that task at. hand like in the military that pendulum. I mean it has to be on the side of the. team because you're taking these guys. down range your life is in their hands. so you have to be as prepared as you can. possibly be to make the best decisions. Under Fire you possibly can because of. that means that pendulum is not on the. side of the family right over here right. and so they're doing all those other. things so you have to have a very. supportive family that understands that. you're going to rock you're going to. Afghanistan your best friends are in.

that trench with you to the right and. the left and so that pendulum has to be. over here you owe that to them their. families the country the mission the. team but uh when but uh once you get out. and you know can start build but it's. about any business you're building and. you're solely focused on it and your. family's over here and sometimes that. does take a take a back seat when you're. building but for me I know that yeah I'm. gonna miss those times I'm gonna miss. all those interruptions in a few years. oh yeah for sure I mean I I missed the I. mean my kids are teenagers now but I.

miss them when they were little kids. kids it was just the videos you could. watch I know now you can go anything on. your phone and apple puts it right there. they put those little memories or. whatever they pop up and yeah things. you've almost that I've forgotten about. in a lot of cases pop up on there and I. go oh and I stop I stop what I'm doing I. watch it and then I send it to my wife. you know did you see this app is memory. too because because of you know a lot of. people have iPhones and they've had them. since 2007 or eight whenever they came. out like that's a long history of your.

eye photo that you can pull from and get. these wild memories I mean yeah her. daughter was born in 2005 I got my. iPhone in I don't know 2007. yeah and uh. so same thing and they get you early. once you're Apple they like they get you. you know like everything's In This Cloud. eventually and then they've got you for. life and so the whole garden yeah so. I've got the couple phones now since uh. you recommended that that to me I. haven't committed to the other one yet. which I need to do yeah because that. thing's going off I didn't feel very. fortunate very very fortunate but I need.

to commit to that that other number yeah. you gotta have a phone that only a few. people have yeah it's it's I think a. certain point in time you want to be. able to have a phone you check every now. and again but have a phone where your. wife has your best friends have and then. don't let anybody give that [ __ ] away. yes yeah I tell it like if I get a group. text exactly and there's a group text. with someone hey man this guy doesn't. talk to you about a project and it's. just a number not a name yeah I blocked. that person I say all right well you're. off the [ __ ] list now because you. just connected me to some [ __ ] from a.

tech company you have to because how are. you supposed to live maybe not even. [ __ ] maybe a nice guy but you can't. it's not his fault he's not self-aware. enough to realize well it's also not. appropriate some people don't understand. what it's like to like I'll leave a. podcast I'll have a 150 text messages. 140 text messages it's nuts yeah I've. had days where I've had hundreds of text. messages wow you can't keep up it's not. possible and some people abuse the [ __ ]. out of that and then hey man you [ __ ]. you're ignoring me I'm like.

dude do you if you could see the volume. of emails and direct messages it's like. do you want to be a normal human because. if you want to be a normal human you. cannot keep up with all that's possible. especially if you want to be a person. that does what I do perform yeah you. want to be funny and do do podcasts and. I can't be checking that thing all the. time you create a podcast for hours I'm. locked in in a conversation like we're. having one right now phone's not going. phone's on your phone's on airplane mode. and then I leave I gotta have dinner.

with my family I got shows. a night sometimes I mean that's. incredible so now I mean it's not nearly. at your level but I certainly see it and. I'm gonna do that thing where I miss the. 80s I mean if I could go back in time. I'd go back to 85 and I would just stay. in 85. I think you know if we have back. to the future comes out Rambo First. Blood Part Two comes out that's. hilarious I think Fletch is out there. anyway it's a great year I mean 85 right. in the middle I just stay right there I. like it right now and you like it do you. I like it right now that's awesome I. love it I'm gonna try to get to that I'm.

gonna try to get get to that sort of an. attitude well because I think this is. the last generation before we can read. minds oh this is the last generation. before we become fully integrated with. technology that's actually ingrained. it's embedded into your body I I think. we're a decade or so away from cyborgs I. don't I don't I know that none of that. was there in 1985 either so yeah but I. like I'm going back I'm going back I'm. going back I enjoy having a phone I. enjoy being able to film things and I. enjoy being able to ask Google like how.

far can a turkey fly bam that was. important I love doing that with my kids. 100 yards for people joining us all the. time while we're driving we have. conversations about stuff like and. you're like what is this so let's Google. it and then it's really fun it's fun to. have that kind of access to information. there's negative consequences to every. generation that's ever existed there's. there's always going to be negatives but. I like it today man I love your attitude. I'm gonna go home and I'm gonna think. about this while I'm on book tour right. now so I'm gonna go to my hotel and. think about this as I continue on book. tour but I'm building a time machine.

and this time machine is about it's. about it's almost the size of this room. right here and you walk in and it's VHS. tapes it's video discs and so video. Edition no no no late 70s so it's like a. record and so it skips all over the. place and you have to put RCA video disc. player you put them in with this it's a. square you pull the square out and it. leaves the disc in there that's plastic. you get to about 35 minutes you got to. put it in again pull it out turn it. around put it back in again so it's a.

precursor to laserdiscs wow I wasn't. even aware of that existed oh yeah. that's in the 70s wait like 79 or. something like that people can fact. check it I won't look at the comments. but there it is there it is and look at. that yep that's the one RC spectrovision. that's the one we had growing up look at. that. look at that thing I love how they use. fake wood with those fantastic yeah. exactly it is. like I'm sorry too or just like a like a. Wagoneer or like in the vacation you. know they had the wood paneling down the.

side of the other car but yes. so I'm going back so my time machine is. one of these it's a VHS or VCR VHS tapes. and yeah you want an Atari 2600 and I'm. gonna track down the first Nintendo and. I'm just gonna have those in there and I. walk in and now I'm back in 1985. that's. my time this year I better leave your. phone outside exactly you know yeah no. phones no phones in that in that thing. right there. um so yeah the phone thing and what I'm. gonna do with my phone with the one that.

I have now is plug it in and treat it. like it's a cord so treat it like it is. attached to the wall like it would have. been back in there and so I have to go. up there to that to a room not the time. machine but another room where I have to. like pick it up right there and it's. just attached with the cable to the. charger but I'm gonna pretend that that. is a cord to the wall and so if I want. to check those messages then I have to. go up there that's my plan that's my. plan and then the other phone that uh. that that will be the one that's on me. that uh just a few people have that sort. of thing because it's gotten a little. crazy but I feel so fortunate at the.

same time you feel so fortunate of. course yeah you're way better off being. busy than wishing you were busy yeah. yeah you're way better off I think. the you not being able to work out. things scares me because for me I I need. it for mental health I have to I have to. do some sort of physical exercise just. sort of wring out the tension and. anxiety in my body and if I don't do. that I'd go crazy I should I should be. doing that and I know I should be doing. that but right now a shot out of that. Cannon every morning and then it's when. it's quiet it's when everybody's in bed.

so that's maybe we just enforce a. certain number of calisthenics you have. to do every day I started just getting. out of that and doing some push-ups and. sit-ups and stuff like that and I did. that for like two weeks and uh no. and then it just went by the wayside for. whatever reason but again you're so. fortunate that you've you're in this. position that you have all this stuff. going on that's like the dream the dream. was I mean you're living the [ __ ]. American Dream you really did it you. really did it and it's actually. happening yeah and as are you and you I. mean they're like you're an inspiration. for a ton of people you'll never even.

know how many people you it's impossible. to quantify with how many people listen. to this and see you and see what you've. created and what you've done and we've. built and uh I mean that's on a scale. that's not not close to what I'm doing. but it's I've been busy every single. second of my life just like just like. you and I didn't even look at it as. building just like you're just doing. yeah and just doing yeah and if you. recognize that that you just have this. one shot at it like why not go all in. why not go all in yeah it's just you. don't get a lot of opportunities and the.

people that don't go all in I think. they're always going to have some sort. of a regret yeah I think I mean but. everybody's different I mean there's a. lot of people out there that like have. that opportunity like you know what I'd. rather live a simple life yeah and. there's that's great too that's great if. that's your thing yeah everybody has it. that's what's great about America is you. get to choose yeah where most everywhere. else in the world you don't right so I. think a lot of people forget that here. that no matter where you come from no. matter where you start it's up to you. you have opportunity here. um you're not forced into doing what. your father did or whatever else you're. not forced into that because of.

tradition and socioeconomic status and. and the country that doesn't give you. these opportunities yeah. um but we have that here would you. recognize that and then realize that. you've got this one shot like you've got. you won the lottery yeah one year like I. feel like I won the lottery being born. here not having my buddy give the book. to Chris Pratt or having somebody give. the book to Simon and shoe store. whatever it was being born here is. winning that Lottery yeah and I've. always felt that way that's true that's. 100 true because people like to compare. themselves to other people like oh they.

have more opportunities they were set up. better they this they that but you if. you're listening to this you live in a. rare time this is a rare time and you're. in an amazing in place if you're in. America in particular but even if you're. in other parts of the world I mean this. this is a great place to be alive yeah a. lot of people want to come here for that. just for that because they don't have it. where they are so they do everything. they possibly can sacrifice everything. to come here so they have that. opportunity that we're lucky enough to. be born with I think about that when I. see the Border crisis when I see the.

Border crisis I'm like listen if I was. in Guatemala would you be doing the same. [ __ ] and sneaking across that border. just like everybody I guess it's not. even sneaking anymore it seems like just. walking and they give you a free phone. yeah everybody mine from the border. patrol texted me the other day and he. was because I sent him one of the books. I sent one of these actually in this. case right here and he's a border patrol. agent down there and I sent it to him. when he got home from work and he took a. picture of it and he said man he texted. me he's like man this was a rough day. and this made my day getting this that. you still remember remember me from. these you know whatever but uh he said.

today was horrible and it was right at. the title 42 thing just a few days ago. and uh he talked about people coming. across and getting 1500 bucks I think it. was and and uh and off they go and how. they're forced to release and do all. these things and their job is to protect. yet they have to let through and they. don't know who they're letting through. and yeah so perfect screening so you're. this person that's supposed to protect. you're supposed to be on that border. protecting that border you're on that. wall that's what you swore your oath to. and now you're just opening these Gates.

it's crazy he was just so demoralized. what the [ __ ] do you think that is like. why is that happening well I mean I. think there's a voter base that a. certain segment of society thinks is. going to be more apt to vote for one. side than the other but uh but we have I. mean when you talk about and people like. to make fun of trump in the wall I mean. they're great memes out there about the. wall and then people like to point to. places in history while walls were meant. to keep people in yeah well no the walls. also work to keep people out. um and uh so it's just tough but you.

also at the same time as a compassionate. person you want to let that person in. yeah from Guatemala that work their way. all the way up here and put in that work. for a new opportunity for them and their. family here and that's going to be. probably a productive citizen but along. with that person comes other people with. nefarious types of Ambitions that can. also work their way of course so it's I. mean it's it's extremely tough but a. country needs borders and unless it's. not a country yeah I don't understand. how it's this porous I don't understand. how is this crazy because when you're.

watching the influx of people from and. again I understand why they would want. to do it totally but what a [ __ ]. terrible mismanagement yeah no it's it's. the compassion of the American people. we're very compassionate I think overall. and just like when you see somebody who. posts a picture of a a dead animal and. they're so excited they put in all this. work and they got there and they took. this picture and they posted it and then. they get destroyed online because of. these comments or whatever whatever it. might be people that are eating a. cheeseburger yeah yeah that happens that.

happens as well but uh but they're doing. it it's it's not it can be explained can. be twisted and it can be turned and then. they're putting it up there because. they're feeding their family or whatever. else and now it's all these things are. very connected because you can exploit. and you can twist and you can turn all. of them you can weaponize all of it and. the internet and social media in. particular makes that a lot easier and. now these companies that own these. things are not American companies. they're Global multinational. corporations and they benefit but. America gave them in most cases that.

opportunity to be so successful to be so. wildly wealthy more wealthy than most. anyone in the history of the world so. it's a tough time it's a weird time it's. a weird time man it is so crazy but yeah. but I mean those guys down there they. get and law enforcement in general. teachers in general like I met a guy. yesterday came to a book signing and uh. he was a law enforcement of 20 years and. became a teacher it's like the two. things that are just vilified right now. shot up you know just figuratively yeah.

it's just that well my goodness he's. asking for travel people but what a. great guy he was awesome and brought a. whole Civil War musket not a musket a. civil war percussion rifle and uh. brought it showed it to me at this book. signing and what a great guy but uh geez. people still want to serve they want to. stand up there as law enforcement Austin. I know has an issue with that right now. yeah um border patrol agents teachers I. mean what a tough time to be in those. positions I know and they're just not. appreciated in our culture for whatever. reason doesn't celebrate them like they.

should I yeah I appreciate those guys. every day and I think about them every. day so thankful that they're out there. every day willing to do that job willing. to be teachers willing to put themselves. on the line on the border willing to to. suit up and get in that squad car and. roll into the city or whatever else. knowing that there's a whole segment of. society they just wants to vilify them. no matter what they do and it's a tough. position it's very tough hard hard on. the morale especially police officers. well and teachers both of them you're. right that's those are the the two.

people that are most maligned two groups. of people I think you're drawn to those. things for good reasons. you want to teach kids or whatever else. all of a sudden you find yourself in. broiled in some crazy controversy and. you're like I just want to teach kids. some history or want to teach them math. yeah whatever it might be and same thing. with with cops I mean they're getting. that squad car to protect and they go. out and people make a mistake and. there's good people and bad people in. every single institution in every single. organization doesn't matter what it is. but then the the mistakes are vilified. and then used to divide a country not. just politically yeah that's pretty.

[ __ ] it's tough it is tough yeah man. in Austin here you guys have that going. on right now right the police there's. like all sorts of stuff going on in the. yeah defunding the police yeah right. here you notice it since you've been. here yeah yeah there's a definitely a. decrease in police presence and my. friends that have had issues you know. they said the wait time is insane and. it's not good that's wild and I'll talk. about outside where the camera many Club. is is that uh well we hire a lot of. Austin cops for the comedy club I wanted.

to hire them to show them that we we. care and we respect them and we want to. give them uh employment and so guys that. are off duty that work there nice so. it's nice that's cool that's cool it. helps a lot and it also keeps the club. safe it's good for everybody oh yeah. yeah that's why I worry about the uh. like book tour. um there are a lot of cops that come. thank goodness they're in the audience. because when I'm doing a signing it's. like I'm looking at that person I'm so. thankful I'm shaking that hand we're. getting that picture and uh but also. that means I'm not paying attention to.

anything else so I'm lucky that there. are a lot of cops in the audience that. are looking out for me which is very. very cool I mean salmon Rushdie remember. someone rushed in the 80s with the. Satanic Verses and just gets attacked. recently yeah last summer stabbed in the. neck and face and lost an eye and I'm. not sure how he's doing right now but. that's all those years later I know he. doesn't forget not forget so not at all. well listen brother thank you very much. for all you do you and thank you for. your awesome books thank you the dead. it's out right now you can get it like I.

said I'm in the middle of it and I love. it I love all your stuff you are awesome. thank you brother appreciate you very. much thank you for everything all right. take care bye everybody. [Music]. [Music]. [Applause]. foreign. [Music].