Joe Rogan Experience #1982 - John Hennessey

[Music]. by night. [Music]. Mr Hennessy Mr Rogan fun hanging with. you today it's been a blast we are that. [ __ ] vehicle that you have built is. the most ridiculous thing I've ever been. inside in my life I can't believe how. fast it is we only did the speed limit. today right yes but we got there very. quick we got there very quickly yes 1817.

horsepower and uh 3 000 pounds so you. got some power to weight ratio to work. with there that's like 700 more. horsepower than a Tesla plaid yeah it's. like taking a McLaren 765lt and adding a. thousand horsepower to it. something nobody needs but we've sold 36. of those the Venom F5 what is that what. happened to you in your life that you. needed to make these Preposterous cars. well you know like what what is going on. yeah.

how did you get to be this guy like what. did uh how did this start out where you. you're making these 1800 horsepower it's. probably kind of like you know the pool. hall deal when we were younger like I. didn't have a good relationship with my. old man he was a car guy but we didn't. get along. and I don't know maybe 60 years later. you know I'm 60 now I've got you know I. still feel like I got a little chip on. my shoulder or something to prove maybe. a little bit less now but but for sure. isn't it interesting that you would. never want that to your for your son no.

but boy is that a great motivating. factor oh for sure for sure yeah I'd. live up you know grow up in a kind of an. abusive situation and neglect and uh you. know now all of a sudden I've got all. this motivation I've had all this. motivation for the last you know 40. Years of my business career so it's been. good it's funny because you would never. want that for your children no I mean. it's amazing how well it's worked out. for people like you or for me yeah I. mean I I you know I don't think. everybody out there that has some level. of success has not necessarily been. abused and motivated by negativity but I.

can definitely see with our five kids. with the nurture mainly from my wife. hope. um they're going to turn out just fine. and they'll be plenty successful but you. know that's just I don't know your story. but that's that's my that's my road I. know I got here it can lead you to be. very ambitious and very successful but. it can also just [ __ ] your life up oh. sure and you can be very ambitious and. very successful and also be like happy. like that's absolutely that's possible. too yeah you don't have to have a. tortured childhood for sure no very very.

blessed I mean you know to have an. opportunity to build toys for people you. know whether it's a you know a seven. eight hundred thousand horsepower pickup. truck or a Venom F5 uh you know we're. talking earlier it's about first world. problems right yeah something nobody. really needs Nobody Needs to Go to. Comedy Show MMA but they do it for. entertainment I tell people all the time. we're more and the Stars up there yeah. they know why am I running a little. Choice. after the Rick for Flair gummy bear and. they're going to really start flying. yeah yeah so uh now feel very blessed.

and we're definitely uh you know people. come to us because they want to. entertain themselves with their vehicles. that's it's a great way of looking at it. too because that's really what those. kind of cars are like when I try to. describe my love of old muscle cars for. people because you know they kind of are. not super reliable yeah they're not so. great at handling sure and you know so I. turn them I get them done into Resto. mods but still they're but when I drive. them the experience is entertaining it's. like a ride like I'm not just in a.

Corolla I'm not just in some quiet. Subaru I'm trying to ride but does it. take like when you drive your Land. Cruiser you drive you know one of your. older cars does it take you back to that. time either when you had that car you. aspire to have that car you knew the guy. or the girl that had that car kind of. growing up and you wanted it back then. but you didn't know how you're going to. get it oh yeah for sure with my Chevelle. definitely because my Chevelle I have a. 1970s uh black with the White Stripes. The Tuxedo Chevelle sure. what's that you got the calendar yeah.

well it actually is uh a 454 under the. hood and uh Colvin Casey Colvin solving. of them you know yeah okay big Viper guy. yeah [ __ ] love that dude yeah he. hooked up the cow so that it it when. he's the ignition those vacuum hoses. that get old and crack and yeah it's uh. when I was a kid when I was about 16. years old one of my friends picked me up. his friend had a 1970 Chevelle we were. going somewhere and uh I just remember. getting in the backseat of the car going. how is it possible that this kid owns.

this car yeah this is crazy yeah it was. the best looking card ever seen in my. life on those 70 series tires and guys. used to back in the day when I had a 69. Olds 442 convertible and if he didn't. have the posi rear end you'd had the one. tire fryer you know she'd do the burnout. and you got like one stripe going about. 400 feet down the road yeah yeah. those old cars suck to drive though oh. my God if you drive the old ones that. don't have Resto mod components like. roaster shop components they're just. terrible yeah they're so bad yeah yeah.

you know I saw my wife uh for my 60th. last year my 60th birthday she and the. kids bought me a nice 69 Olds 442 so. it's nice enough to where I'll drive it. but not so nice that I don't want to. drive it right. um and I just man when I drive that. thing it's the slowest least powerful. thing in the in the fleet but I just. kind of brings me back I got this uh Jam. Box I put in the backseat the turtle box. and I just turn on my AC DC and go out. cruising around and you know. if it dies at the stop sign or if it uh.

you know we'll probably put an lt4 and. LSA in it you know we'll LS swap it at. some point but yeah do you think you'll. do something to the chassis. it would probably need that but you know. I like a scary ride that kind of it. entertains me you know so uh maybe to. some degree we I mean we do want to have. a balanced safe car but uh you know the. old saying Bob Lutz who used to be the. president of of Chrysler back in the day. when I first met him he had a. he was working for BMW in Germany he had. a pretty fast motorcycle he's out.

tooling around Germany and some dude. just rips past him on the Autobahn and. he pulls into the gas station and says. old guy and Bob goes up looking at his. bike it's like is that a turbocharger on. your bike this dude this is like the. early 70s. and the German guy says yeah yes young. man this it has a Turbocharger and Bob. says well how much horsepower does that. bike have he says well probably 200 of. the tire and Pop's like 200 of the tire. he's like isn't that too much horse Bob. is saying to this old German guy isn't. that too much horsepower and the old guy. looks at him and says young man there's. no such thing as too much horsepower.

Bob told me that story like 30 years ago. I was visiting him up in Detroit and I. think to some degree that's true but you. want to have it balanced gonna have it. safe you know as long as you're not. there for the end as long as you're not. in the ditch as long as you're not there. for the accident right the thing about. motorcycles is the consequences are so. grave well sure yeah I've had a few I've. I've busted up my knee and it's been a. week in the hospital when I was in high. school and I guess now the term they use. and it's to some degree don't recycle so. yeah yeah my my boys all like to ride we.

ride KTM we ride dirt bikes up in. Colorado in the summertime but I'm like. on the road you got to be careful. because even back in the day if you're. riding you know they're distracted. drivers now everybody's on their [ __ ]. phone nobody's paying attention to [ __ ]. so bad you know so there's so many. people that are just addicted to their. phones and they can't put them down. while they're driving it's so wild to. see yeah I mean every now and then I. take a car service to the airport or. something and if you're not driving you. can just like look out the window just. next time you do that just look out the. window more than half the people are. [ __ ] not even looking at the road.

they're on their phone yeah they're. supposed to to be driving or they're. putting on their makeup one of the. things I love about Apple carplay is you. don't have to take your hands off of. anything absolutely just say hey Siri. play yeah it'll play a song for you that. is the one like I do that [ __ ] with my. daughter because my daughter's in it. like Taylor Swift and I don't know. Taylor Swift on my phone yeah but I. could just while we're in the car you. want to listen to something and she. brings up a song so I just say hey Siri. play and then bam like that it's playing. it I mean carplay works really well it's. incredible the tech you could it reads.

your text yeah it sends text for you. it's [ __ ] amazing did you ever put. carplay in any of your old cars they. have like retrofit kits now yeah and. stuff I have but honestly when I'm. driving those old cars I don't I don't. like to I sometimes I don't even like to. listen to music yeah I really just want. to hear that engine sure sure you know. I'll listen to music sometimes but it. always gets annoying I want to hear that. engine I want to hear that. yeah you want to [ __ ] feel that V8. spin the tires a little bit not too much. yeah I just there's something about cars.

that I guess it was because when I was a. kid it represented Freedom right because. if you're in high school if you didn't. have a car you had to write us status. yeah Status for sure chicks for sure. friends maybe you know it's really more. impressive for guys than it was for. girls sure the kinds of cars I like. girls like this [ __ ] thing yeah yeah. yeah it smells like gas I went to this I. went to this Jesuit High School up in. Kansas City called Rockhurst and I was a. I was a little guy and total nobody I. was on the wrestling team and I think it. was in the 98 pound weight class when I.

was a freshman anyway as a total nobody. and then uh I I bought a motorcycle for. my dad when I was like a sophomore and I. remember the first time I rolled into. school I was late and there's like this. quadrangle where I could like pull right. up to the door and there's all these. windows that are open and all these guys. like rushed the window to hear what this. loud motorcycle was and all of a sudden. I had status all of a sudden I was not a. nobody I was like who's the wild man in. the little kid in the motorcycle that is. the thing right if you're a kid showing. up at school on a motorcycle you're a. wild man yeah yeah so the same thing. that could have had my car crash and the.

guy that lived across the street from he. had this old 442 convertible it's kind. of a crazy story like my old man was an. insurance adjuster and he was going to. buy this car from this body shop for. like a couple hundred bucks and he told. me it was going to be my first car blah. blah blah and like a month goes by I'm. like Hey Dad when we get in that car and. it just kind of ignored me and just kind. of blew me off and the next thing I knew. the neighbor across the street had that. car wow so the torch of I didn't get the. car and now I got it now I gotta drive. go home every day on my motorcycle and. look at the neighbor across the street. who had the car so when I had my.

motorcycle wreck I had two bikes so 16. and I'm trying to fix my bike and the. guy across the street worked at this. Ford factory up in Kansas City and he. offered to help me with the bikes and I. ended up making a deal with him and I. sold him I traded him the two bikes and. I paid him like 50 bucks a month for a. year or something like that and about I. bought I bought the car back with my own. money that's awesome like fuel man. that's awesome it was fun yeah what when. you first got into cars uh like what. were the cars you were you always into. American cars or were you into a lot of.

foreign cars back in the back when you. know muscle back in the growing up in. the 70s and 80s I mean it was all muscle. car so you know you see the guy with the. Chevelle or yeah the Camaro the 70 and a. half. I'm 60. okay so yeah 165 yeah so so I. just grew up around muscle cars and then. fast forward you know went to college. for a few years dropped out moved from. Kansas City to Texas and. um back then like the in the 80s the the. German cars or they had these rally cars.

over in Europe and they called there was. the group b rally cars and they call. them the Killer Bees because they got so. fast back like in the mid to late 80s. that that the crowds would like Bunch up. in the road waiting for these you know. rally cars blasting by 120 or whatever. and they knew where the rally cars were. because the helicopters were chasing. them you know kind of spot and form or. the TV camera and then one time the. cards got so fast that they would like. hit the they got ahead of the. helicopters and these Group B rally cars.

like landing on people and killed a. bunch of people so they call them the. killer killer bee so I was really kind. of enamored with like the Audi Quattro. they went to Pike's Peak and they raced. at Pike's Peak and that's really kind of. what so I kind of you know shifted gears. from uh American Muscle to now kind of. this higher Tech German all-wheel drive. turbocharged stuff and then kind of I. started a small um environmental cleanup. like an asbestos abatement business back. in the late 80s and made a little bit of. money uh wasn't dating my wife wasn't.

married yet and so I read in Motor Trend. Magazine about this guy named C van tune. he was actually the editor at Motor. Trend back in the mid to late 90s. and he had bought an eagle talon this is. like 1990 put a roll cage in it and he. went goes and enters the Pikes Peak Hill. Climb in Colorado Springs. and I read that I'm like oh man my. name's not Andretti or untri I can't. just show up to Indy but maybe I could. do that and so made a little bit of. money in my asbestos business I. um was reading the car magazines and I'm.

like I'm the kind of guy whether it's. then or now I don't really want to do. what everybody else has done I'm a. contrarian by nature and you know if. everybody else is racing Porsches or. whatever so I'm trying to find something. that I can afford but this high tech. that I can modify to race at Pike's Peak. and I read about a car that came out. that year uh it was the Mitsubishi. 3000GT VR4 so it was all-wheel drive. Twin Turbo V6. stir yeah and um. yeah Mitsubishi Starion yeah those are. cool those are coming back that's kind.

of rad wood-ish yeah. 3000 yeah just type in Hennessy 3000 GTA. yeah. I have the Dodge version of it yeah or. the conquest yeah. yeah oh so you had one of those those. things were sick yeah those were cool I. loved those things when I first so I. took it and raced it raced it at Pike's. Peak and didn't win anything but uh. those things were the [ __ ] when they. came out drove drove it to Pikes Peak. drove at home I did a couple races if. you type type in uh yeah you know what's.

crazy does Mitsubishi there you go that. motor to an article there's bonnable. maybe she doesn't make anything like. that now right now Mitsubishi I mean a. good friend of mine Joe jacuzzi is with. GM now there were some really great. Folks at Mitsubishi and maybe they've. just kind of gone to onto other things. but uh yeah the vr-200 so that car so I. learned I learned the first rule in car. racing well the first rule if you want. to make a small fortune in the car. racing business you start with a larger. fortune. and so I'm going and I'm doing these.

races and I'm going to Pike's Peak and I. do these open road races in Nevada where. you go out a night there's a they have a. they still have it called the silver. state classic they take Highway 318s. it's about it's instant just south of. Ely so about four hours north of Vegas. and they shut the whole highway down and. they let these cars go out on a Sunday. morning and go out and haul ass and so I. did the first time I did it my average. speed for 90 miles was 164 miles an hour. I did I did 90 miles and 34 minutes in. that car Jesus and uh you know I did the.

first time I did it didn't even have a. roll cage which is pretty stupid but uh. after I did all this stuff so I'm I'm. engaged uh planning a honeymoon we. bought a house I like to say we bought. Furniture but my wife corrects me on. that we just bought but you know we. inherited furniture from her family or I. think a lot brought to the marriage was. was a mattress and a box spring and a. desk maybe and a Mac anyway so I did all. that I'm doing all these races come home. from the honeymoon and I look at the.

bank balance I'm like man he used to. have some money in the bank before I got. engaged and bought a race car and raced. all over the place and I thought you. know I I really like doing this car. thing maybe other people would pay me to. modify their cars like Carol Shelby like. a Loyce roof with horses right Reeves. Callaway and so. um 19 you know October of 1991. we open up Hennessy Motorsports and I. hired a mechanic and got a toolbox and. and off we went and that kind of led. into the JDM market so what what kind of.

cars are you modifying back then like so. yeah doing anything that would roll in. the door and and I kind of had a little. bit of notoriety from the Silver State. race so you know it was JDM so it was. Supras 300ZX Twin Turbo. um you know so Grand National yes Supras. so so the mark IV Supra. um you know the the Cyclone the uh the. typhoon that had like the pickup truck. yeah that had little 3.8 liter single uh. single turbo V6 and so then a guy calls.

me up uh in early 93 and he said hey. I've got one of the first Dodge Vipers. coming it was actually a model year 92. but that with they had some production. DeLay So the car didn't come out to the. spring of 93 and he said hey I want to. I'm gonna I bought a Viper and I want to. take it to the Silver State race and I. want to if can you help me put like the. safety equipment and help it pass Tech. and I said sure I said but I'll make you. deal if you let me modify it I think I. can get another 100 horsepower on that. Viper and I'll do it for free I said I. won't even charge you to do it I said.

the only thing I'll ask in return I'll. take you out to the race I'll support. you we'll I'll bring my mechanic we'll. look after your car after the race if. you'll uh again my buddy Joe jacuzzi was. with Mitsubishi at the time. um said hey I'll take you around La and. I'll introduce you to the editor at. Motor Trend and hot rod and Car Craft. and Road and track and sure enough we. did all that and we I initially did it. with my 3000 GTA got some articles off. of it and I'm like when I was doing that. back in the early 90s ago this is before. social media this before YouTube no. internet and so that's the only you know.

the only way we knew about car stuff is. we did car magazines right and so I'm. doing all this for a couple weeks with. Joe and going around I'm thinking man. I've been gone a long time I did this. race I go to talk to all these media. guys and just like just be patient when. the magazine comes out if they like you. and they like your car and they write. something nice about it your phone will. ring sure enough phone started ringing. so I did all that with the Viper and. then how did you get 100. you know the Viper is a big. um you know eight liter V10 and so back. in those days the the exhaust system.

sound like a UPS truck they still kind. of sound weird it's two five cylinders. basically is what it sounds like so we. freed up the exhaust we did a cold air. intake we poured and Polished the head. so we got we bumped it to at least 500. horsepower then we started doing cams. and stroker Motors and eventually turbos. and basically from. 93 through for the next 10 years into. the early 2000s I would say we were on. the covers of. 30 40 magazines including all the major. Buff books isn't it crazy when you think.

about the progression of cars and power. that if you go back to the original. Viper it wasn't really that fast. now compared to today I have horsepower. wise the original was 400 and then they. went to 450. so 400 is like I mean you. get a regular Mustang GT you're getting. 460. yeah yeah right off the new Dark. Horse will be 500 and I mean you could. you could take a you know Tesla you know. model three and be to beat an old Viper. I mean back in the day but it was so. twerky and it was just so outrageous and.

it was raw it was raw it was no. anti-lock brakes that's true it was kind. of scary we spotted a lot of tires but. uh but you know pretty pretty cool car. for back in the day and again me being. the contrarian there are plenty of other. guys out there modifying Corvettes and. Mustangs and things like that of course. I'm the guy that wants to be different. so if you guys are modifying those. Vehicles I'm going to modify the Viper. and so that just kind of built up our. saw our business kind of Grew From A. just a small tuning shop to a larger. scale tuning shop and then we added it. up well maybe a year ago that's from 91.

through about a year ago we had modified. about 15 000 Vehicles worldwide yeah wow. we did mail order for a while on and. some of that was mail order but last. year we built we modified 564 Vehicles. last year so when did you start getting. to the [ __ ] you're doing now like you. know you made me uh 1 000 horsepower TRX. yeah that car is so stupid it is it's so. stupid but it's so the problem and the. brakes are good because you would end up. under the back of the 18 wheeler no I. drive it very responsible believe it or.

not I don't I just love the fact that it. has so much power. oh it sounds amazing yeah it's very. comfortable yeah and also because it's. high up you get a great vantage point. you get to see expanded before it happen. if you're stuck in the highway and. there's some wreck you can just go. through the grass and go into the feeder. road yeah you really could dude I mean. the other thing is like like when I'm. driving like my older cars like I've got. a Cadillac CTS-V wagon manual and I'm. pulling out of a store and some lady at. Christmas a couple years ago runs into. me because she didn't see me so I do. like like driving something bigger like.

that because if they run into you it's. not going to do that much and and they. generally see and want to not run into. you my Land Cruiser well this this the. TRX has steel bumpers too yeah my Land. Cruiser also has rock sliders inside of. it and so because it's lifted if. someone's going to t-bone me they're. going right into the Rocks yeah it's. going to be worse for them than it is. for you for sure it's just there's so. many [ __ ] bad drivers out there well. you know we could talk at length about. that but I think a lot of that boils. down to like if you look at Europe you. look at Germany getting a driver's.

license in Germany is a serious deal it. takes two years it costs about twenty. five hundred dollars getting your. driver's license in Germany there's. Germans are so serious and they're. serious about their cars and about their. driving and about the Autobahn but. getting the driver's license in Germany. is similar like getting a private. pilot's license over here wow yeah and. so so why don't we do that over here. well that would be a higher barrier for. a lot of people and so you know car. companies want to sell cars insurance. companies want to sell insurance also. you know like maybe people don't need to.

learn how to drive that good they just. need to pay attention and don't go fast. yeah that's true I mean I'm most likely. I don't know average speed but it's just. it's paying attention you know I mean. our kids all just you know in the last. 10 years all went through driver's ed. and I think they got you know some. decent training but you know to your. point like Lane discipline like you know. if you're the slowest guy out there get. in the right lane yeah you know if. you're the if you're going a little bit. faster you go on the inside line but. just that you know that drives any. serious driver crazy is when somebody's. in the left lane going 49. which is that.

doesn't bother me okay it does bother me. but it doesn't bother me like not paying. attention the not paying attention the. distracted driver is right well uh and I. would put some I would put some of that. on the oems I think the OEM to some. degree try to make the cars like nannies. like whether it's autopilot or adaptive. steering I think I had a friend of. mine's Dad when I was in high school. never forget he said Hey kid you know if. you want to stay alive don't use if. you're driving at night don't use your. cruise control I'm like well why not. well you said your cruise control you. got your tunes going you're a little.

tired you fall asleep right yeah so I. think that you know I would almost say. that to some degree that the nannies to. try to protect drivers all of a sudden. become well maybe I can crawl in the. back seat and take a nap here's here's a. tip for anybody that might be driving. your word you're going to fall asleep. get uh bring a washcloth with you and. ice cubes like get a wet washcloth yeah. and then put ice cubes in that washcloth. and just rub your face okay it'll keep. you awake yeah the whole time it's not. painful so I used to slap myself in the.

face that's what I used to do you'd be. out on a road trip and trying to drive. through there because I've done all that. it's because I was doing stand-up comedy. at night and I was delivering newspapers. in the morning so it was always [ __ ]. tired we've got a lot of things [ __ ]. yeah I did it was 12 12 years old Kansas. City Star and dude I mean I'm getting up. at like 3 45 4 am delivering papers for. two two and a half hours and dude like. on a Sunday which was on your bike no. I'm in the back of this paper truck and. this guy had the route and then you know.

we would have to like roll the paper and. put in this machine and crank this thing. it would tie a little knot with some. string around it and [ __ ] toss it out. the window without going by you know. like dogs are barking at you and it's. snowing and it's cold and then I'd be. the you know I would do some of that but. all of a sudden there'd be like an. apartment complex well here's your stack. of papers and I'm out toss them in. people's doorsteps and like unlike a. juicy day we might make like three. dollars and 25 cents and so what will we. do we've got we've got a 7-Eleven and we. blow half the cash on freaking you know.

nasty burritos and big gulps and crap. like that you know but that was just. kind of what we did but that's I mean. that's what we had to do to make C2. you're doing papers while you're doing. stand-ups yeah I was doing newspapers. um from the time I guess I was. probably like 17 or 18 when I first. started it yeah uh maybe maybe it was a. little yeah somewhere around that range. and uh I did it for the Boston Herald I. did it for the Boston Globe and I did it. for the New York Times nice and so I had. I one point down I had a huge route and.

I even got a van I had like a car so you. were you had your own deal you weren't. working for somebody else yeah I was. working for a dispatch okay so you would. get a job working for the globe okay and. you'd go to the dispatch and they'd give. you a route so they give you a map and. all the houses that are on it all the. addresses right and then they would give. you uh stacks of newspapers and you had. to fold them while you're driving yeah. so you're driving you pull up in front. of the house I had a stack of papers. right next to me yeah and I would just. go like this grab it stop stop and I had. uh these plastic bags they were hanging.

from my rear view yeah yeah. Wham and then Chuck it out the window. yeah we I think we started going to the. plastic so I did it from I was probably. 12 to maybe 14 and then I then I one of. my relatives was in a hospital South. Kansas City St Joe's and and I found out. that they did not have a paper route in. the hospital and I was able to kind of. get that I was able to get that. franchise and I was making like back in. the day maybe 80 bucks a week which is. pretty good money back then yeah I was. doing so many newspapers that I actually. was that was the primary money that I.

was making yeah so this was when I. wasn't really making much money teaching. and uh you're a teacher too I used to. teach uh martial arts okay yeah yeah so. um I was I actually used to teach at. Boston University okay. uh it was actually a pass fail a so it. counted towards your GPA okay so I would. tell everybody if you just try to get an. A and it's a real a so just try just. show up and try it I like your story. when those guys were following you and. [ __ ] with you and you're like hey you. wanna come up that was hilarious that. was so dumb.

get your ass whipped come on it was. hilarious because they were they just. kept saying that I needed to give them. money and then I said look and then. where you going I'm like I'm gonna go. teach class yeah you want to come up and. watch yeah right you want to compete and. like they're standing there in front of. the j-hun Kim Taekwondo Institute and. they're looking at me they're like. you're teaching I go yeah yeah I'm a. black belt I'm teaching class I'll. [ __ ] kill you man leave me alone. exactly it was so funny it was like the. least nervous I've ever been like as a.

young man yeah it was like the perfect. like it was like the whole reason why I. got into fighting at all is because I. was terrified of being bullied yeah and. so to have this moment happen while I'm. walking on the street and these two guys. start [ __ ] with me and and I'm not. rattled at all yeah and then I get to. that door and I'd say and I tell them I. saw the video I just laugh my ass off. that was awesome what how so when you. were doing so you started off in MMA or. you start off in Jiu Jitsu I started. with Taekwondo Taekwondo yeah well I.

started off in karate first I went to uh. Esposito's a Karate Academy which was in. Newton Massachusetts where I lived yeah. but it was hard to get there I didn't. have a car and it was like you had to. take buses it was it was a grind to get. there but. um Boston was pretty easy I just had to. walk to the T which was like I had to. walk a mile and a half or something like. that right and then I would get to the T. which is the train that would take me. right into Kenmore Square which is right. where the school was that was from the. time you started the time you felt like. you had some skills or a little bit of. confidence how long did that take six.

months well I was obsessed uh I mean. when I started when I was 15 I was there. every day okay I mean every day I didn't. take any days off right I was obsessed. and I I became a black belt in two years. no [ __ ] wow yeah I was I was teaching. like almost right away like right after. um I think when I got my blue belt I. started teaching. um private lessons like for the new.

beginners I teach them form and stances. and and how to get your your hips into. things and I was just teaching them like. Basics right and that helped me a lot. because there's something about teaching. that like like really sort of. accelerates your own learning curve. interesting and so I was obsessed with. it and I was I was competing already I. started competing like right away okay. white belt sure what 16 15. okay all. right and so uh you know they would take. you to these tournaments like so you all. you have to do is like be at the school.

and everybody would sort of carpool and. then when I was a kid it was like they. would kind of take care of me yeah and. bring me these places right and you're. in this [ __ ] gymnasium and there's. this other dude across from you and. you're about to try to kick each other. unconscious right this is wild yeah and. I became obsessed with it because it was. so insane yeah it was like to go from. like regular life right you know just. being a kid I like to draw I was an. artist yeah so all of a sudden I'm like. traveling around the country right.

fighting yeah it was so nerve-wracking. and so hard to do it was so challenging. it was such a freak out to do it and I. became so obsessed with it did you have. an instructor that like really like. invest it into you yes yeah I had. several but this guy Michael O'Malley in. particular and this guy jaehan Kim who. is the uh he's the head instructor of. The Institute and he was like a very. famous uh Taekwondo instructor I got. very very lucky wow when I went to that.

place in 19 whatever 80 whatever it was. or one or E2 when I first went there it. was. um one of the best schools in the world. okay just I fortunately walked wow in. that door just just ran I could have. walked into a bad karate school I would. have known the difference right I know. but I happened to go I walked up I was. actually leaving a baseball game and I. was going uh told the story I'm sorry if. people have read it before but I was. going. um home and there's a long line to get. to the T.

because everybody was leaving Fenway. Park yeah and so we walked by the school. and I said let's go and see what the. [ __ ] going on up here and we walked up. the stairs and as I was walking up the. stairs I kept hearing this sound like. and it was this guy John Lee who became. a mentor of mine okay and. he was a national champion at the time. and he was training for the World Cup. and I think he was 27 or 28 years old so. he was in his absolute prime and I got. to see this guy kick the bag and I.

couldn't believe it it was the force. that he was generating well that's you. that's you now like I mean I've seen. videos. I'm like it's like you know one whack. your your leg and you got some broken. ribs yeah but I learned it from that guy. I mean I learned it from I mean he most. certainly helped me many many many times. but watching him I learned it from I. mean I learned if that was possible like. I'd never known that a person could do. that like the amount of force I was like.

that is insane so you were doing that. and you were doing toss newspapers. around the same time yes because the. newspapers was your income Source but. right but fighting was your passion and. yeah and cost some money it was a good. way once I got out of high school it was. a good way to generate some money while. I was doing this crazy thing where I was. trying to make the Olympic team for. Taekwondo really okay yeah so I was. competing I won the Massachusetts state. championship like four years in a row. and I was competing in the Nationals and. I never I couldn't win the Nationals I.

got I came close a couple of times and I. got in the finals of the U.S cup with. this guy uh Kareem Jabbar who was the. national champion it was a very disputed. close decision that I thought I could. have got but so I was at that level I. was like right close. but unfortunately then I started. kickboxing and when I started kickboxing. immediately I realized how helpless I. was against someone who had really. really good hands I was getting [ __ ]. up kickboxing okay and then I kind of. lost my faith in Taekwondo because I. realized how limited it was because they.

don't punch to the face okay so you get. like it's you get the most amazing leg. dexterity right because you're learning. how to primarily learning how to kick. they have some of the best kicks but. you're so limited in your ability to. defend your face from punches because. when punches and kicks are thrown. together to your face it makes things so. much more complex right and when I was. learning that I like I lost like some of. my faith in Taekwondo wow so I had a few. kickboxing fights and then I was doing. stand-up at the same time and I knew I.

had to pick one of the other where did. stand up kick what are stand up come on. come into that whole program how were. you when you started with that well I. was thinking about it when I was like 19. or 20. okay and um you wrote your own. stuff yeah okay yeah I just like it was. horrible right yeah. put your balls out there and you won't. mind getting punished for something you. want to try well I I was just curious. like I I'd seen this is what it was I I. have a very good friend to this day his. name's Steve Graham he's a good buddy of.

mine and Steve when I was uh 15 when I. met him he was uh an ophthalmologist and. like uh he'd been on the U.S ski team. like a [ __ ] a wild man she's done a. lot of stuff like super super duper. smart right and you know he was like in. his 30s and I was like 15 and uh we we. used to train together all the time and. when we would go and fight in. tournaments I was the guy who made. everybody laugh because everybody would. be nervous we would be all scared. because we're gonna go fight yeah or. when we're about to spar if we want to.

be super nervous the sparring was scary. yeah yeah and I was the guy who like you. could cut up and crack jokes because I. realized that there was like tension in. the room and then I could get attention. Okay from cracking that tension all. right I could get attention from like. making everybody laugh and so I started. I would do like impressions of guys we. knew having sex and that's just stupid. [ __ ] and it was so dumb but Steve is the. one who told me uh Steve and this other. guy Ed shorter wow it was a friend of. mine too he just said you really should.

be you should do stand up like you could. do it I'm like dude you think I'm funny. because you know me I'm like other. people gonna think I'm an [ __ ] like. my sense of humor is so [ __ ] up. but so then I went to an open mic night. and when you go to open mic night one of. the things that's good about Open Mic. nights is like if you compare yourself. to like Bill Burr or Dave Chappelle it's. like it'll blow your you won't be able. you can't imagine ever reaching that. level all right but if you go to an open. mic night you realize oh these people. are terrible yeah. so I might it's like that bad.

everybody's terrible when they first. start that's fine being me included I. was terrible and so when you're around. these terrible comedians you realize. like oh okay this is like this is how it. works like and then when I was at an. open mic night the first time a couple. of like real top level Pro stop buying. did sets like this guy Teddy Bergeron. yeah who did The Tonight Show back in. the day and he was like yeah he had some. substance abuse problems but I'm telling. you in 1988 there was no one was better.

there was people that are at that level. but no one he was so smooth and so. polished and his material was so. interesting and funny and I remember I. had done my stupid little set I barely. got a few laughs right and then I was. like maybe I could do this maybe I could. do this and then I went out and watched. that guy I was like I should just quit. now because he went up and just it was. so polished it was so it was he was in. such like Ease on stage but he'd done it. a thousand times oh a thousand times so. this was and he was in his prime right.

he he had one of the best sets I've ever. seen on a Tonight Show he was he was. incredible but then he went off the. rails he went off the rails and you know. he just uh he had some problems so did. you like learn how to deal with hecklers. early on oh yeah you always got to learn. how to deal with hecklers yeah you're. gonna learn yeah you're gonna well you. know you're gonna have some moments. where you fall apart you're gonna have. some moments where it works out great. yeah it's like it's a long bloody. process right compared to like trying to. build a mountain one layer of paint at a. time oh [ __ ].

it takes so long it takes so long it's. so brutal but it was to me it was uh it. was a way that I could like exist in the. world that wasn't a regular job right I. was whatever it is it's add or whatever. yeah yeah I just couldn't sit still yeah. and I couldn't be involved in anything. that didn't freak me out I like I only. wanted to be involved in things that. scared me so you're the original Fear. Factor then they cast you for a reason. in that deal they cast me against one a.

couple of The Producers didn't want to. cast because I was making fun of it. right I went in and um when I did the. audition for it that they wanted it to. be scary like fear is not a factor for. you they were interviewing like. sportscaster type dudes yeah and uh I. went in there and you know I thought. like this is I was I had a deal with NBC. and uh I think it was to do a sitcom. pretty sure it was and so I went in to. talk to them they said we have this. thing yeah I was like what are you doing. and they're like well we want to present.

it to you so I go there and like they're. sick and dogs we're gonna put you in a. cage with a bunch of centipedes well was. it originally a show in Holland okay it. was called now or Neverland okay I think. that was called what it was called and. so uh this company bought it and then. they put it on TV in America and they. needed a host and then you know they. came to me yeah and I was making so much. fun because I was high I showed up high. I was like I'm gonna have this meeting. with all these Hollywood people I always. get weirded out by those meanings right. I like to show up high just just feel. them out you know and uh I was I was.

just making fun of it like you're gonna. stick dogs on people on TV that is funny. so stupid I was like I was like how long. how long before this gets canceled I was. like making all these jokes about like. how ridiculous it is you're gonna say so. you were doing the stand up in in Boston. and then what what made you think to. move to like did you go on the road I. moved to New York first and uh that was. in the very early 90s okay I met a. manager who's still my manager to this. day when I was an open micro in Boston.

and then he moved me out to New York. okay so I lived in New York for a few. years then I got a development deal to. do a sitcom then I came out I came out. to Hollywood okay. yeah but the whole time playing pool. yeah you and I played pool before you. played good pool. um you played good University but you're. no yeah but you know a good motivator. for me you know what you're doing like I. watched you hit the ball you know what. you're doing it was fun yeah kind of. bringing back together you're not a play. pool like some people just play pool. they're just knocking balls around but. I'm watching you get out I'm like okay. you know I play pool it's complicated. we'll see it is complicated you got a. tough table man yeah yeah those tight.

Pockets yeah difficult [ __ ] yeah well. that's right yeah yeah what Kennedy say. we don't do these things because they're. easy we do them because they're because. they're hot. yeah exactly right so when I moved to uh. la like I [ __ ] hated it but but I. could go to Hard Times yeah and that was. to me like there was two places that. were uh. okay no no no Comedy Store was the mecca. right stand up but hard times was the. mecca for pool Hard Times really oh yeah.

that's where Keith McCready came from oh. yeah hard times was um this place in. Bellflower and you'd go down there and I. would compete in the Sunday tournament I. mean I never it came close to winning it. but I would get in it all the time and. get my nut shot in but you could play. Rodolfo luat you can play Efren Reyes. really you could play Max Eberly people. play John Mora you could play Just Stone. Cold Killers yeah in an open tournament. you could play Efren Reyes wow like it's. just a random draw yeah so you go in.

there and then you know there's a field. of I don't know how many players before. it fills up it fills up every weekend. right and we would go there on Sunday. you get there early I played Oscar. demand or I played his dad Ernesto or. nasty Dominguez okay killer this is like. killer more opaia's these guys were. killers and you would go there and watch. literally the best pool in the world wow. all in Bellflower California and there. was a lot of gambling matches yeah sweat. sure it was awesome I love that place. yeah so that was that was like one of. the things that saved me okay that and.

going to there's a few other places that. I went House of billiards in Sherman. Oaks is a great place. Hollywood Billiards okay in Hollywood. yeah unfortunately that went under yeah. so like that kept me going right we. still do an MMA then well I still I was. doing martial arts yeah I was doing oh. that's right Marshall yeah yeah that was. when I really got into Jiu Jitsu I got. into Jitsu in like 96 right. yeah wow yeah I was actually at the same. gym that Vitor Belfort when he was. making his debut in the UFC I was.

training at his gym okay because it was. Carlson Gracie's Academy which was in. Hollywood and I was uh learning from uh. his coaches okay it was crazy like to. watch Vitor but how do you connect with. UFC and Dana White. back then so when Vitor was making his. debut right. um Campbell McLaren this is like late. 90s 97 97. so Campbell McLaren who was. one of the producers of the UFC okay it. was a good friend of my manager okay and.

they were just having a conversation and. he said hey you know just he was you. know randomly talking to him about uh I. gotta hire a new guy to do interviews we. need someone to do interviews and uh my. manager said Joe is obsessed like he. watches them all like he's really. obsessed with it yeah maybe he would do. it and so the guys on the phone I'm like. [ __ ] yeah I'll do it like you got to. take a propeller plane into Dothan. Alabama I'm like I'm in let's go and so. cool next thing you know I'm I'm on. these [ __ ] puddle jumper planes. flying to all these weird because it was.

totally yeah this was like um 97 yeah. they had that like those I think what. Dana water from Dana bought it from the. guys that did the the um the the the. whole thing in the bar where they beat. the crap out of it this was before Dana. owned it. that's how I got back into it I quit I. did it for about a year and a half maybe. two years I did backstage interviews and. then there was an event in Japan I'm.

like I'm not going to Japan all right I. don't have any time it was it was. literally was costing me money like I. love doing it right but I could make. more money doing a comedy club on the. weekend right that I could go they. weren't making any money so they were. how they gonna pay you any money right. exactly there was no money to be made. right there was no money for the. fighters I mean it was it wasn't about I. wasn't getting screwed it was just. that's all it was like we would go to. these like half-filled high school. auditoriums like there was no one. because a lot of states were Banning it. and stuff back then yeah it was very. hard to get sanctioned right that's why. we had to go to like Dothan Alabama.

right because it's like it got banned in. New York actually my first event was. supposed to be in New York but they. banned it in New York right before they. did the event and they moved the event. very quickly like overnight to Dothan. Alabama where the boxing promoters. trying to shut it yes 100 okay 100 and. there was also like there was a lot of. there's so much shenanigans that goes on. there's unions there's right you know. there's if you're not paying them. they're not gonna 100 let's play that's. how the UFC stayed out of New York State. forever okay New York New York the UFC. just got in New York legally God how.

many years ago was it it wasn't that. long like crazy reason yeah crazy recent. it doesn't make any sense was in every. other state it was legal 2015-16 wasn't. that somewhere around then right Wow. Let's see what the actual I mean I never. thought about the politics of it so. we're just chatting but well back then. it was like it was scary like what what. is this no one knew what it was you. didn't have all these years and years of. guys like hoyce Gracie George St-Pierre. and Kamara Usman we didn't have anything. to draw from 2016 which is so crazy New.

York the last state to approve it New. York that's crazy because they're dirty. politics yeah the guy who was helding. holding it back I believe he got. arrested for corruption see if that's. true wow. there was a senator. that. he got busted for some Shenanigans but. he was part of the problem holding him. back right but in the beginning I could. see why they would hold it back like. you're watching these guys head butt. each other right they can they could.

turn out all the blood and everything. and crazy remember that you see the foot. stomping and all that well foot stomping. still I think it's so that yeah okay but. what you would see back then was like. nut shots you're allowed to punch people. in the nuts oh brutal I'm just straight. up street fight there's a there's a. fight with Keith Hackney and Joe son and. Keith Hackney is on top of josana Joe. songs like cranking on his neck and. Keith Hackney's just punching him in the. nuts. yeah but even so whatever yeah right. you're still getting punched in the nuts.

yeah even if you have a cup on it hurts. like hell yeah yeah so like back in. those days I kind of understand why. someone who didn't understand what was. going on would think this should be. illegal yeah I totally get it right and. it was like they had to develop rules so. then develop weight classes and then. they develop rules but I was I was kind. of already on way out by then and so in. 98-ish 99 I quit Okay and then. um the UFC got purchased by zuffa okay. that was in like 2001 and I went to one.

of their first events okay Vladimir Matt. yoshenko fortito Ortiz and was right. after September 11th okay. and Tito Ortiz they used to have these. elaborate walk-ins with like lights and. fire and [ __ ] and Tito Ortiz is walking. into the octagon with an American flag. and the place goes wild wow just why. that's cool because it was like right. after September 11th sure it was like. holy [ __ ] people needed a break from all. of that yeah and and during that fight. the pay-per-view went out and like the.

people didn't get to see the last rounds. of the main event it was a huge disaster. the UFC had to give back who knows how. much money because it was like their big. event in Vegas and the pay-per-view. [ __ ] up so Dan Dana bought it yet at. this point it was the zoofa uh the zoofa. which was the Fertitta brothers and Dana. okay they're the organization I saw it. so the Conchita Brothers bought it right. and then Dana was running it and this. was the very early stages and this was. you know they were there was no there.

was no TV to speak of that was showing. the UFC right they had to get to this. deal on Spike TV to put it on television. right right that was like years in so. this is like 2005. okay so we're like. four years later these guys are. hemorrhaging money trying to make this. thing happen yeah and uh when when that. was going on nobody took it seriously. like everybody thought it was just like. isn't that when they came up with the. idea of ultimate fighters. they paid for everything they paid to.

put the show on they I think they even. bought out the ads and they took care of. the whole thing they put it on. television it was like a Hail Mary and. it was a [ __ ] touchdown wow and. Stefan Bonner uh rest in peace he just. died and Forest Griffin had the most. insane fight in the finals of the. ultimate fighter wow and people were. just calling friends up you got to watch. this this is insane because the. viewership skyrockets during the fight. because it's so wild right and that.

fight made the UFC that fight made the. sport really because then people are. like what is this okay then they put on. another event yeah and the other event. got [ __ ] huge and then Chuck Liddell. came onto this yes and when chuckled out. was the champion Chuck Liddell was so. [ __ ] terrifying yeah he was this Do. or Die Berserker he would just come at. you just swinging bombs take one on the. chin knock dudes out his fights were. wild he didn't give a [ __ ] he was the. the real reason why the UFC became Uber.

popular because you would watch The. Ultimate Fighter it was a wild fight a. great fight but then you need a. destroyer right you need a destroyer and. that Destroyer was Chuck Liddell and for. the run where he was at the top where. Chuck Odell was just Mercury so he was. kind of like the Michael Jordan in that. he basically took it took the sport to. another level well you know he was he. was an exceptional Champion okay but I. wouldn't say he was the Michael Jordan. he you know. he had the most fan-friendly style you.

could ever imagine he would just come. after dude okay and smash people like he. was never trying to win decisions Chuck. Liddell was trying to send you into the. dream world okay. he was an Entertainer he was he was he. was Maximus the uh yes he. would throw his arms back like this. it was crazy let's even get see if we. get a video of chocolate they'll. knocking someone out and then. celebrating because it was like this. iconic Primal Rage celebration and when.

you know you can only fight like that. for so long sure here's the reality take. the toll of physical damage on the body. and the kind of sparring that you have. to do to fight like that yeah but when. he did it my God it was glorious his. fights when he when he knocked out Tito. Ortiz like oh my God he was a monster. right he was a Monster yeah he was just. smashing people and he was a really good. wrestler too so good luck taking him. down wow you know so this is I mean this. is Chuck with a [ __ ] Mohawk yeah look. at this [ __ ] Savage dude oh my God.

look at this that look at this look at. this look at him. oh they're not showing this stuff look. at the celebration. bro I'm telling you when chocolate Dell. was in his prime he was one of the most. terrifying [ __ ] human beings that's. ever walked the face of the Earth wow. you can't do this for that long there's. only only so many years a man can do. this for like this but my God Chuck. Liddell was so [ __ ] entertaining he. was a destroyer man he would just come. at you man look at this [ __ ] he's so.

terrifying looking tattoo on his head. Mohawk built like a brick [ __ ] house. just throwing [ __ ] hammers who's. who's the Destroyer who's the. up-and-coming Destroyer today oh did you. see that Babaloo knockout back that up. again. this one this one was insane. oh with the leg. dude he would do that to everybody he. was just smashing people wow. yeah he didn't know what defense is he's. pure offense well he had defense but he. didn't he just he [ __ ] threw caution.

to the wind man the guy just came after. people and he was so mean. but that also made the UFC because that. guy being at that was a figurehead that. was the big guy he was the the face of. the company because he was the guy that. like if you the Casual fan when you talk. to him like have you seen the Chuck. Liddell fight right you're gonna see the. Chuck Liddell fight yeah so that like. that that also took the sport to the. next level so from throwing newspapers. to stand up to pull.

to New York then Hollywood. UFC interviews when what what motivated. for podcasts you were so far ahead of. your time on that. well I wasn't really there was other. people that were doing at the same time. they like Adam Caroll already had a. podcast Mark Baron already had a podcast. there was quite a few people that were. maybe your style just just stuck in. group well it's just um I think uh I got. into it because of radio really okay. doing like Opie and Anthony show Mostly. okay you did radio for a while then oh.

yeah everybody did and when you would do. radio in the morning like you the open. Anthony show in particular you'd go. there and you would hang out with comics. so it was all just us shooting the [ __ ]. having a great time yeah and when I. would leave there I'd go God that's so. fun I love doing that I wish I could do. that all the time okay all right and uh. Anthony cumia who was uh Anthony from. Opie and Anthony he built a studio in. his basement of his house in Long Island. and he used to do a show called live. from the compound okay and he had like a.

green screen behind him he'd play. karaoke with a machine gun he was always. hammered it was hilarious but he would. just streaming on the internet and I was. like that looks like so much fun maybe I. should start doing something like that. yeah and so then I went to Tom Green's. house and Tom Green uh he had this crazy. setup I might have went to Tom Green's. house before Anthony had his thing in. the same time right but Tom Green had. like the Tom Green Show that he was. doing from his house right so he's doing. like a talk show and he set up his whole. house like a television Studio that's on. the internet so we had all these cables.

running to a server excuse me a server. room. and um. so I thought like wow maybe I should do. something like that like I gotta like. there's something to doing something on. the Internet like maybe a lot of people. aren't going to see it but it would be. fun yeah it sounds like your motivator. was for fun not trying to grow some big. audience or make a bunch of money to at. least to start with I mean even like I. do it the exact same way now as I've. always done it I just do it all myself. yeah in terms of like who I want to have. on right I decide what day they're.

coming on and yeah how to do it yeah and. I only talk to people that I'm. interested in talking to I mean the. depth of what like you could have like. your own Rogan encyclopedia books but. all these people that come on that a lot. of people never heard of and have all. these interesting facts and opinions and. fascinating learn some stuff yeah you. know you definitely I mean you could. talk to some I've had this like. unexpected education where I get to talk. to all these Fascinating People and pick. their brains yeah and you know it's like. you don't really get a chance to talk to.

people just like this like just you and. me looking at each other eye to eye no. phones no people around right just for a. conversation that's it that's all we're. trying to do and to be able to do this. like all the time it just. it's a real pleasure it's like very it's. very fortunate but it just seems like. it's your own. your own personal Curiosity on different. things that you like and or that you're. interested in whereas it seems like you. know you flip on TV the people are. getting interviewed it's all part of. some sort of a it's all by Design to. some degree you got the right PR firm.

the right publicist there's also what. those things the problem is you know. just like with the Fear Factor like you. have to hire somebody you have to hire. okay yeah you know so if you're if it's. Fox News or if it's CNN they have to. hire hosts right and sometimes those. people are annoying you know and. sometimes they're not annoying when you. hire them and then become annoying as. they get more popular in face and then. you got to fire them so like when you do. this you have to prep much you get on. the internet you guys do a little bit of. research for you you just [ __ ] roll. in and just start talking start thinking. and talking well I do have a guy my.

friend Matt Staggs who uh does some. research for me on some things they'll. send me some briefings or some videos or. some stuff I should watch right and then. you know with people that have books I. like to especially if it's something. like complicated I like to listen to the. book on audio yes I'll listen in the. song I'll listen when I'm driving right. I'll get a sense of what they're doing. um but and then there's some subjects. that I don't have like with you it's. like we're going to talk cars you know. yeah yeah I just I'm just curious well. it's just been very fascinating for me I. mean we've known each other for a couple. ever since you got to Texas two and a.

half years ago yeah something like that. um. just you know the more I get to know you. like you ruined me with that [ __ ]. rapper well yeah that's what we do right. keep them coming back right exactly. ruined me I was like this is crazy yeah. what have you done yeah yeah have you by. the way on uh have you experienced the. raptor r yet I have not it looks amazing. though they're expensive uh but we we're. working on a thousand horsepower package. for Velociraptor one thousand so it. would compete with the mammoth well yeah. yeah I'll keep my post on that you know.

what I really miss about the Raptor yeah. the visibility yes way you can see on. the side mirror is way better yeah the. TRX is rough the TRX is rough the Ford's. got the aluminum body in chassis I mean. I I think both trucks were a hoot oh no. I love plenty TRX it's just the. visibility that's the only issue I have. it's an amazing Truck Yeah I [ __ ]. love it yeah I love what Dodge did and I. really love what you did to what Dodge. did like the extra power and they gave. us a good platform and the brake upgrade. package that you put on it yeah it's a.

big difference big difference it's. [ __ ] magical I love that thing but. the visibility from the Raptor was way. better yeah. yeah like design with the F-150 where. they have there it is there it is yeah. and so that's got the supercharged 5.2. liter V8 that's in the GT500 and we. should have our prototype upper running. soon I like to name better too yeah I. have a problem with the name Mammoth. okay I love the truck but I got a. problem well tell me because it used to. be a Tyrannosaurus Rex and you change it.

into a lesser animal well I guess yeah I. guess the T-Rex could eat it could eat a. yeah a woolly mammoth I never thought. about that why I wish we talked yes. guess what next time we're doing a. branding exercise you'll be you'll be. the you'll be the the consultant that I. could never afford to hire you can't. well I'll just do it for free but you. can't have like a a like a dinosaur yeah. like the whole reason why it's a TRX is. because it kills the Raptor right of a. little bitch-ass Velociraptors [ __ ]. with the Tyrannosaurus Rex it's over. yeah so that's the whole idea and then.

you turn into like something that like. people kill with sticks yeah so I said. what so what. people what. let them out yeah pretty much that's. funny and then probably the asteroid did. it yeah but yeah yeah so I I but other. than that I love it I told you I saw one. in Vegas yeah it was orange like yeah. matte orange like oh that's like Mission. orange yeah I never thought I wanted to. drive an orange car in my life they're. hard to get but we can get them they got. yellow now too do they have yellow yeah. called Rampage yellow yeah my friend. Tony has a yellow C8 Corvette Tony Inch.

club yeah he's out Tony sure he's he has. uh one with a yellow with black stripes. that's [ __ ] awesome yeah I was like I. never thought I'd like a yellow car yeah. we'd actually just came out with a 700. Horsepower Supercharged package for the. CH we've only been working on for almost. three years but just just finished up a. few months how much better is the. handling on the Z06 with the wider body. and The Wider tires yeah I mean the ZO6. is lighter it's got Aero um carbon. brakes Carbon wheels are options I've. only driven so our chief development. driver was with GM for 38 years his.

name's John heinrusy we call him Hein. rocket he's our chief engineer and. development driver for the Venom F5 and. so he just got his new Zeo six c806 with. the zero seven package so you've got the. cup tube Michelin tires and the carbon. uh splitter and rear wing and I just. drove it on the road but I think if you. took him to Cota. both bone stock. I'm guessing you're 10 12 seconds lap. difference I mean just massive yeah if. you drag race I mean of course the Z06. is going to win by you know in the.

quarter mile would probably win by five. or six car links but the problem with. the Z06 now is they've been having. supplies they still have supply chain. issues I've got an early one on order. but uh I think the the car's been out. for nine months and there's only about. there's less than 100 with the zo7. package on on the road so cool car. um you know I hope to get mine and a lot. of bang for the buck I think that that. would I almost liken the new C8 Corvette. almost in any form well the Z06 is kind. of like the 458 Ferrari is kind of where. it was do you think it's possible to.

make a car like a Corvette with entirely. American Parts in American labor. entirely uh look America American oems. can do whatever they want to do and um I. think what what Chevrolet's magic has. been with the Corvette is to deliver. that much value and that nice of a car. in the volume so they do it at the price. point that they do it's crazy when you. think about how much that car costs and. the capability of it just the bone stock. Stingray yeah I mean uh like the like. I'm sure the net so the zero six is out. now likely the next iteration that comes.

from Chevy's the ZR1 probably 850. horsepower twin turbo so it's like a. twin turbo version of the 5.5 liter dual. overhead cam motor in this current Z06. that car is going to be 150 170 Grand so. that car will be as fast or faster than. a McLaren or Ferrari that costs two or. three times the money so they you know. their trick is they they know how to. deliver Great Value now we've got we've. got a neat Niche where we can build our. own car from the ground up it's all. carbon fiber it's all completely bespoke. it's American design and American build.

um but that car is two to three million. bucks a pop you know GM GM are the. masters of being able to yeah scale it. in masses so average people are somewhat. average working folks can afford to buy. them yeah when you're in that car you're. like what does this cost yes well the. sticker on them like my friend Hein. Rockets I think he paid 160. uh you you. know you try to find one on this on the. street that you can buy. a zero six I thought I was talking about. the Venom oh I'm sorry yeah yeah.

it's it's it but look the Venom F5. what's cool about that is I'm 60. maybe. I'm around another 25 years maybe I'm. not I don't know but I think I would. like to see you know I'd like to have. ultimately when we're all done with. production I'd love for each one of my. five kids to have one if I'm able to do. that anyway I'd love to see you know our. grandkids sell it at you know Barrett. jacks or RM Auctions at some point down. the road for you know four or five x you. know maybe like a McLaren F1 like it'd. be 20 million dollars someday I respect. that you can drive that on the streets I.

respect that you can drive it but you. really should drive that only on a track. I mean it's like yeah. if you still have your Tesla plan I. drove mine up here you know the. performance said that the thing's. capable of you you you should not use on. the street you know sometimes there. might be a place where you know you. could go out and just have fun with. yourself or your buddy but uh but yeah. same thing I mean the F5 you know go. you know forget about zero to 60 0 to 60. is a metric from 60 years ago let's talk.

about zero to two hundred we'll go zero. to 200 miles an hour and 10 seconds a. hair under 10 seconds it's as fast as or. maybe a tiny bit faster from 0 to 200. miles as compared to a modern Formula. One car Jesus yeah Power weight ratio. wise so. um but it's built in America uh you know. our guys just 100 miles down the road. building from you here and uh I think. they'll be very collectible someday so. we'll see how many are you gonna make so. we built. um 24 bit of my five Coupes those are. all sold out we're now producing the.

Roadster and the revolution the Roadster. open top go out sunny day have fun the. revolution is more track focused now. it's like our GT3 RS it's it's a it's a. track Focus car but it's still road. legal has AC and all the Comforts that. you would like that's Apple cardboard. track focusing that car no that that is. that is the track Focus version yeah. yeah no no if we no. yeah so we're doing 24 of those so we're. gonna build all in about less than 100. cars 99 cars I think right now we're.

like I said 36 37 orders and um anyway. how long does it take you to build one. of those 12 to 15 months and is it um is. how much of it is carbon fiber like 100. 100 yeah I mean all the body work all. the chassis all carbon everything. they're yeah there's there's some. aluminum and some steel substructure but. everything's carbon wow yeah. yeah so it is that's the roads for that. one that one that particular the blue. car belongs to a guy named Dave lineker. you want to talk about a wild man let me.

see the what the side image looks like. what it looks like with the roaster wow. that's pretty yeah linegar found a Re. Max real estate way back when anyway. that's his car that's my head of design. Nathan malinik but um you know this is. one of these deals to where if I knew. today or if I knew back then what I knew. today I don't know if I would have done. it maybe I'm a little bit like you. walking into the dojo I'm kind of you. ever see those gifts how pretty that is. you ever see the gifts where the guys. have the telephone pole and their buses. send me the balls with it you know I I. think that and it like I didn't know.

what I was biting off when I when I went. down this road but when I started in. 2013 it was just kind of an idea and a. sketch and then I got interested in it. and then we built the design model shell. helped us build a design model we. unveiled at its theme in Vegas in 2017. and then I had orders and I'm like now. I've got orders I've got a design but I. gotta engineer this thing dude that. thing looks so good it's such a. beautiful that Roadster one that blue. one yeah oh my God well in the sound. what did you think of the sandwich we're. just out here ripping down the road it's. very rough yeah it's very raw so it's.

that 6.6 liter twin turbo V8 push rod V8. uh We've nicknamed the engine Fury so. ask me why we named the engine Fury why. no journalist has ever asked me this. question in the automotive world so we. named it fury because. the car is designed to. compete against European the best from. Europe so Bugatti Aston Martin Ferrari. Gord Murray and so one time like we're. developing the engine and I think we had. our Target was 1600 horsepower we.

managed to get a little over 1800 and. I'm watching reruns on TV with my wife. my wife's asleep it was a Brad Pitt. movie Fury so it's a scrappy tank guys. they're over in Germany and their tanks. all busted down and then Here Comes two. or 300 Germans and they basically fought. him to the death you know like Scrappy. Americans that they were so I thought. I'm gonna [ __ ] name my engine fury. because it's designed to go over and. [ __ ] beat the Germans Scrappy. American we'll see that's we haven't.

done it yet but we're working on it I. love it yeah. so. is that a card that you could enter into. races like would you so consider racing. we've had customers ask us what would we. be interested in building a dedicated. race car and something we haven't made a. decision on but the answer I lean. towards you know generally you know you. want to build a faster car well hell. yeah if somebody wants to buy it I'll. build it. um but then the question becomes we have. to kind of go two directions so we want. to just build a fun like something take.

of the circuit the Americas that our. customer can do out and have fun with or. do you want to conform to race series. all of a sudden if you're in race series. if you're in Le Mans. um you know something a World Endurance. Championship you have to conform to all. kinds of rules I'm not a big rule guy. I'd rather just kind of build my car. right you want to kick ass but I think I. think there is I think there is probably. some demand to have a dedicated track. car where you've got a full Road cage. all the safety equipment the Halon fire. extinguishing system and and everything. else that you would expect but right now. I mean we're like I said we're building. you know the Coupes are sold out we're.

completing the the remaining running. those yeah there's a revolution right. there right yeah that belongs to a guy. uh we actually went to the same Jesuit. High School back in back in the late 70s. he was a senior and I was a freshman and. we never knew each other but when he. ordered the car I found out he was from. Kansas City and went to Rockhurst and uh. and he has his own private test track. just about outside of Kansas City yeah. you're just driving through the country. and you see this fence with like you. know privacy and on the other side of it. this gentleman's 3.4 mile private race.

track that we get to test out that's. when you know you're really bald he's. bawling pretty good you get your own. race he's done all right oil and gas guy. and smart guy and been a really really. great client so I used to think that. when I would watch Top Gear and watch. the yeah Stig sure roll around the track. yeah they have their own track well yeah. so Top Gear tests on a old Runway uh. Southwest of London and it's called. dunsfold so they so they ran it so they. have their own but they did I've been. there before I was actually I brought.

Steven Tyler over there like 10 years. ago to be interviewed by Jeremy Clarkson. those guys so he was a client we built. the Venom GT for him and so we're. hanging out and I got to see him go out. and do his little celebrity lap around. the truck you know if you're ever over. there and you want to do a celebrity the. star and the reasonably priced car on. connect you with those guys they're. great yeah it's fun and so I think. they're uh but now you got Chris Harris. and you got the you know Clarkson and. Hammond in may they moved on to Amazon. but uh are they still doing it did they. stop doing it yeah I was I was in London.

a couple weeks ago and I saw Richard. Hammond and uh what's the Amazon show. called again uh The Grand Tour right The. Grand Tour and so Clarkson started. Clarkson's kind of a wild bombastic guy. he started a show about farming he's got. a farm out in the country and I think. that's really kind of taken off so I. think that's his that's his new gig but. I think they still I think they do still. do a season a year and uh good. entertainment good proper yeah they're. fun proper car stuff a fun dude yeah. what did he punch a producer they pulled. the show well I knew a little bit about.

that I was so I was so we had a we had a. velociraptor. um Raptor truck that we were up in. Canada with these guys so this has been. back in 20 into 2014. and so like I'm I'm working with the. producers and they're like you know when. you're around the talent you know don't. talk to them don't spend time around. them I'm like I'm around famous people. more than These Guys these guys a lot. more famous I mean I don't care that. they're a big deal so anyway so these. the producer's kind of being a dick and. so we show up with these guys and then.

we're like provide the vehicle. and then and they're going to go. cross-country through Canada and through. the mountains and do all this crazy [ __ ]. and and then they're going to go up on. the mountain they're going to rescue. Richard Hammond who's at the top of the. mountain and he's got one of these. Breitling watches where you pull out the. little cord and it tells the satellite. that you're stranded so it gives your. coordinates to get rescued anyway so now. the producers are saying well you know. uh you can't go up on the mountain while. they're filming I'm like okay but listen. to this I'm gonna go watch football it's. the playoffs I'm gonna go watch football. and if something breaks and you need us.

to help you we're not coming they're. like oh then they change their tune like. okay we'll come with this and finally it. all it all turns out fine well that. producer I won't say his name but that. producer that was being a massive dick. and maybe he was just doing his job like. two weeks later they're somewhere else. in there in England and Jeremy you know. Jeremy's gets a little bit of a temper. and these guys work long hours and maybe. they hadn't eaten and the producer guy. was [ __ ] with him Jeremy [ __ ]. whacked the guy and I'm like I wanted to. [ __ ] punch that guy a couple times.

too. but I can't do that and I don't want to. get arrested in Canada anyway yeah so. they they. cancel the show yeah and didn't Jeremy. and him make up but they're still like. uh you know I'm sure that's all you know. water under the bridge but Jeremy so. Jeremy Richard Hammond and James May. were all very tight I've spent time. around them and then the other guy. that's. behind the scenes but just so talented. his name is Andy Willman he was the. producer when they were on BBC now he's. the producer but uh when Stephen Tyler. was being interviewed you're like this.

from your comedy part of your brain when. Stephen was being interviewed by Jeremy. I noticed that the interview went on for. like twice as long as it probably should. have and I don't I get claustrophobic so. I don't like being in tight crowds so. I'm kind of hanging towards the back of. the crowd that they're filming all this. live and then they aired it later but. they're filming in front of a live. audience and here this this guy that. looks like he's a homeless dude wearing. a t-shirt looked like he hadn't showered. in about a week he's standing there. making notes. and I realized I was Andy woman the.

producer of the show and so what. Jeremy's doing he's asked he's telling. all these jokes and asking these. questions and Andy is using the live. audience as his focus group oh they. laughed at this oh I don't I don't think. this is as funny and that's how they. edit it before that before it goes uh. gets transmitted to the rest of the UK. in the world interesting I thought that. is so clever that is so smart you know. and I don't know if that you know. comedians or entertainers kind of but. you know you would think to some degree. you want to improve your crap but he's. got a quick turnaround time so like he's. got another show he's got to do the. following week so he's just like.

Jeremy's doing all this stuff and. sometimes they laugh and sometimes they. wouldn't but this guy was definitely. paying attention that show uh Top Gear. did Tesla dirty you know yeah they did. oh they did they did all kinds of. crooked [ __ ] but they did Tesla I mean. they pretended the car ran out of. batteries oh yeah now the car didn't so. they had like their push in the car and. you know they I think they had a lawsuit. about that because they probably did but. that goes back to like we were talking. about earlier like it just seems like. that was dirty it seems like everybody. has as an agenda so what was the agenda.

behind that was that just the the well. they wanted to create an entertaining. storyline. they'll throw your ass under the bus and. a heartbeat that was what it is yeah oh. Tesla attempted to sue the BBC for libel. March of 2011 the courts ruled in favor. of the BBC saying that no viewer of the. show would be likely to reasonably. compare the roadster's performance on. the show with its performance in the. real world that doesn't make any sense. yeah no they got they got well they got. real British courts sites with British. Corporation that's owned by the British. government against American company oops.

Yeah they got railroaded yeah because. the idea that watching this thing break. down wouldn't influence you to not get. one yeah these people are testing it and. it breaks down look those guys good or. bad we should just say what happened. yeah while we're saying it yeah because. their car didn't really break down right. they faked it no they faked it and faked. it they they did it just to sort of make. a point about what could happen with. electric cars but it's a fake it was. manufactured deal led to your point but. like like you know they they just want. eyeballs you know so the more definitely.

the more controversial yeah the when uh. you know one time when Jeremy was. driving this truck and they were like. what would happen if we ran into a brick. wall. he ended up going to the hospital and. getting you know broken ribs and. whatever else just to shoot the video of. this guy so they'll do anything they. weren't they ran into a brick wall. Jeremy Clarkson he did yeah with a truck. it's on YouTube yeah they got they got a. video camera they got a GoPro inside and. he it does I mean he went to the. hospital yeah he went to the hospital. from that and then how did you do that. they did and they for because retention.

dude they are these guys were the. masters of jumping the Sharks season. after season after season you heard. about the deal when they went to. Argentina what let me see the what's one. step at a time let me see the truck. slamming into the wall yeah before we. get to Argentina yeah because I just. can't believe that they were just. driving Clarkson Top Gear full acceler. race truck crash no they each each guy. had to do it and they're all wearing. their safety equipment it might have. been 20 miles an hour I mean just just. run as fast as you can into that yeah.

wood wall over there it's gonna [ __ ]. hurt you know. so yeah well I think you could. legitimately you could die. oh yeah oh it's one of these trucks yeah. oh boy yeah look at this. he's going pretty good. bro he's going very fast. that is so crazy so do you think these. guys give a [ __ ] about hurting Elon in. this company is so cool they want views.

yeah his neck's got to be [ __ ] up from. that yeah we did a thing with them a. grand tour in Detroit about five years. ago and he you know maybe he's got a. good chiropractor he looks like he's. healed up but man that that's pretty. gnarly that seems like it could cause. permanent damage and so they would do. stuff like that well that even happened. recently. discs injury he suffered on the show. another one another one of their guys in. the in the current crew I forget his. name maybe Pato O'Rourke but anyway he. uh um he had a bad car crash that.

canceled the whole season really the. rest of the season yeah and again nobody. really knows the details they're not. showing anything but I I hear was pretty. painful yeah so will you watch that. image he's reaches for his neck like. immediately and you see how his head. violent snaps yeah I don't know how it. does him up break break your neck so. just like stuff like that like when we. were in Canada with the with the crew. we're hanging out with the crew and like. the the so they went down to Canada not. Canada they went Argentina excuse me the. gummy bear is kicking in I suppose uh.

they're in Argentina and so in one of. the cars they made they rode on the car. they're doing this cross-country thing. they're kind of poking fun at the. argentinians when they lost the Falcon. War back in the 80s to the Brits and and. the story was that these guys were. getting chased out of the country like. people were gonna like looking for them. if they found them they were gonna. freaking you know beat their ass pretty. hard or worse and so I'm talking to the. crew and. um you know the the presenters were able. to get to Buenos Aires and were able to.

get out of the country but the crew was. still there and people are like they're. calling the embassy they're like hey you. know what can we do the [ __ ] locals. are trying to get us and so I guess the. present this again this is what I'm. hearing from the crew when we were in. Canada with our Velociraptor uh is that. um you know the presenters got out the. crew were stuck fearing for their lives. like hiding out in places trying to make. it to the airport to get home and then. so when the whole [ __ ] hit the fan the.

the presenters in England felt bad for. him said he bought them all first class. tickets or business class from from. Argentina back to the UK. but then the question becomes kind of. given the pattern of wanting to further. jump the shark and look I'm I'm if I. climb a mountain I want to I want to. climb the next Mountain so I get that to. some degree but did these guys actually. like try to stir up the locals by. putting [ __ ] on their card of course. they [ __ ] with them. well yeah just for notoriety and so I.

mean like I mean yeah yeah I would think. so I mean 100 why else did you do it. yeah you're trying to be nice yeah I. don't know if they knew it was going to. go as far but man they but it's kind of. a shitty deal where they they skated out. of there and their crew is literally you. know afraid they were gonna get [ __ ]. Beat to Death imagine if they did yeah. yeah so that and they and I'm hearing. this from the crew and this Auto had. gone down like 30 days before Jesus yeah. yeah it's kind of interesting but you. know well it's a wild show but it's a. fun show it's a fun show it's a fun.

reverent and they [ __ ] with everybody. and yeah they've gone too far a few. times sure but uh I think they're you. know just trying to entertain well he. does entertain and when Jeremy Clarkson. reviews cars it's like when he's really. enthusiastic yeah like he's reviews that. guy's word was like you know it would. either make you or break you yeah I mean. that was you know probably from 0-5 to. 20 you know Pharaoh hit up about a. 10-year period now you got Chris Harris. who's from with our mutual friend Matt. Farah in California yeah I've had Chris.

on podcasts okay cool he's great yeah. he's like probably one of my favorites. we had dinner with him in London a. couple weeks ago and just couldn't could. be any finer yeah him and matter to my. favorites yeah for reviewing cars yeah. Smokey tires awesome yeah yeah yeah it's. just uh car. um entertainment you know has sort of. come a long way right there wasn't. really that much back in the day I mean. right what kind of there was not really. a show like once Top Gear came around. then people realized how entertaining it. is just to like see cars and hang out.

with cars right now I think really one. of the best of it is Jay Leno like Jay. Leno's garage is fantastic it is great. it's very good yeah he loves cars so. much that it's like it's so contagious I. don't know anybody that knows more about. cars from A to Z from Steam cars to. hyper cars to race cars everything. between Jay Leno is literally a walking. Automotive encyclopedia yeah I don't. understand the steam cars like that well. yeah it's. he's got ones that he drives around yeah. that aren't even supposed to have rubber.

tires so he had to put rubber on these. steel wheels so that it's legal to drive. around well did he ever tell you on so. on a steam car you're you're heating up. this boiler and the boiler's got water. in it and that turns into steam and. that's what makes it go. but when you run low on water if you're. not careful it'll explode so you have to. you have to so you have to turn off the. heat and so so this came up because I. was in Jay's one time and I saw one of. the steam cars and he's talking about it. I'm like What's the garden hose in the. back seat for us like well you know I'm. over at uh driving through Burbank and.

uh you know his his start running out of. water so he's able to shut it down so. that so the engine doesn't explode and. he goes up and knocks on some little. little lady's front door and says you. know ma'am can I can I hook my spigot up. to your you know my hose up to your. spigot I do put some water on my steam. car. imagine Jay Leno showing up at your. house oh yeah wanting to borrow water. right yeah. yeah there's some crazy yeah he's he's. got a insane collection I can't even. believe how big it is when I was there I. was I thought it was just one of these.

buildings yeah it's the whole block. there's 11 buildings yeah they're all. kind of Daisy chained together yeah it's. incredible and motorcycles too yeah yeah. we did Jay's been a customer. gosh almost 30 years we we did he had a. one of the he had the first black gen 1. viper and so he wanted to do an exhaust. and intake and a 373 rear end gear and. so we're scheduled to go out there and. and I just talked to him like on the. phone one time and I only dealt with him. I didn't deal with any assistance or. handlers and so I just dealt with him on.

the phone the one time. and then I my wife had our first child. we had a miscarriage and so I couldn't. go so I just had somebody call out there. to his office say John can't make it. didn't give me any reason and do like. two days later flowers and a card showed. up to our house and to this day I did. not know how jay. knew that we'd had a miscarriage or even. knew my home address but somehow he. found out and said flowers we've been. friends ever since that's awesome yeah. Special dude for sure super passionate. super influential you know another thing.

I learned from Jay that's cool so. whether it's a 2.7 million Venom F5. Revolution or one of our you know. Velociraptor Mammoth trucks whenever I'm. out in public with one of our vehicles. or if I'm in like a cards and coffee car. show. Jay taught me that what I said what what. got you into cars Jay he said well when. he was 12 years old there was like maybe. a 55 Jag parked out in front of a store. and he was admiring it and the guy came. up to the car and says Hey kid you like. the car and he said yeah the owner said. would you like to sit in it and so I've.

seen Jay at a bunch of cars shows so if. you're somewhere south of 12 years old. yeah and you ask him nicely. you know he'll let you sit in his car so. we do we do the same thing and so they. kind of start queuing up and I get get. the 14 year old I'm like no no no yeah. he goes to those cars and coffees oh. yeah he's takes all kinds you know I. mean so when Jay was doing tonight's. show that's when I met him and you know. we did several projects for him the. habits gonna come out to the show but he. was always so busy like I would just. like see him in passing and he's so like.

high functioning ADHD. um dyslexic which my son Cole is too. just like his brain just Moves In A. Million Miles a minute so like I see him. hey Jay how you doing blah blah in and. out in and out getting his next car and. go but then when you retired from The. Tonight Show. a whole different Shay just like you. could have a conversation with him he. wasn't thinking about all the the [ __ ]. he had to do and uh we we're so much. better at that show because it's it's so. much what he's actually interested in. absolutely just the job of Hosting him.

tonight and the mistake that the mistake. that I made growing up is like you know. he would he would tell com do comedy on. you know on The Tonight Show well we. always thought he was funny we would. watch it but then years later maybe 10. years ago I got to hear him do stand up. and I'm like it's so much more edgy you. know my wife will only handle so much. like if you get it as like a certain. level of crude she won't go so I have to. go by myself so so he's like right there. on the edge of certain levels on the. edge really oh dude dude I thought so of. this so shell had a big uh a big launch.

for a new oil product about 10 years ago. when we were there and and he's like a. [ __ ] machine gun dude like you get. about so in that 45 minute set you get. at least an hour and a half worth of. material it is just coming. [ __ ] rapid fire that's interesting I. gotta go see him live then because I. haven't seen I I think he's done a long. time. I don't know like where he's working out. or if he just just does Big Shows I. don't know I used to do the comedy magic.

club every Sunday I see it I see his. stuff pops up you know on my you know. social media feeds like when he's around. in the area so he does he does shows I. mean yeah but it would to your point. reach out to him or I'll give you his. number and you reach out to him and have. him come do the mothership yeah for sure. I mean. he used to be really respected as like. an edgy comic when he first started yeah. he in the 1970s like when he would do. like I guess it was the early 80s or. late 70s we'd do Letterman I used to. watch my Letterman he'd wear like a.

black leather jacket this would have. been mid probably mid 80s 84-85 and and. they would used to do a little gag. called Jay what's your beef yeah what's. my beef. kind of a grumpy old man program but uh. yeah I always I always thought Jay was. pretty good you know it was a big I love. Carson when Carson was on back in the. day too so you just kind of go from one. to the next but I'm like. like you know some of the current stuff. you've got Gutfeld who's finding. funniest [ __ ] but the other guys are. just it's a hard gig man yeah because. you have there's so many restrictions.

like first of all you're talking to. someone very quickly yeah if you're. you're going to talk to them about. something complex something that's. difficult to try to blow them from. podcasts podcast works right 100 okay. because if you're just talking to. someone and you're talking to them for. five minutes and then you're going to. commercial it's like you can only get so. into the subject yeah and some subjects. deserve more attention they deserve time. and you really can't do it on those. shows and then also you're censored. right so you can't say certain words you.

can't speak your mind you you'll have a. producer in your ear telling you what to. do and then on top of that you have. these commercials you have to wait for. the commercial then you got to build. momentum back up when you're back all. right we're back you know like why are. we back like what is this like it's the. worst way to have conversations and. that's essentially what those things are. right what those things are is just. it's like short attention span quick. sound bite conversations that are not. satisfying right that's the problem to. get a satisfying conversation you need.

to talk to someone for a long time okay. so they're crippled it's like they're. they're handicapped by the system that. they exist in okay it's not there's. nothing you can do to fix but it just is. was it that much different from when. when Carson and Lena were doing it I. mean yes because it was a lot worse with. this podcast now. um. now people see it this is what it is. it's like they see the difference. because if all the only conversations. you see with people having on television.

are on things like The Tonight Show. right then that seems normal yeah but as. soon as you can have long form full. unsensitive yeah okay that's when it. becomes awkward because then you're like. why are they doing it like this like. this is an uncomfortable way to watch. people talk and also like someone's. sitting there and you're sitting next to. them in this weird way and you're facing. a crowd you've got a live audience it's. all weird there's so much weirdness to. it that's funny it's just not a good way. to have a good conversation right you.

know and all was really it was an. advertisement for whatever the [ __ ] that. person was selling okay. whatever com a new record yeah the movie. yeah that's really what it is yeah it's. not you know and Jay Leno didn't get a. chance to pick the guests like he wasn't. like I am you know well he did tell me. uh this is we work with him on a project. a couple years ago we're just sitting in. the truck bullshitting and uh you know I. kind of asked him I said so since you. don't do The Tonight Show do you do you.

miss any of that at all he's like no not. really it's like I he's like I wasn't. really big on going to movies so I you. know somebody's coming on the show I'd. I'd go watch the movie just so I knew. what to talk about he's like I'm really. not into celebrities and I don't go to. the movies I do my car thing you know. well for Jay Leno and for uh all those. comedians that lived back then The. Tonight Show was the Holy Grail oh for. sure it was if you're young. the host of the Letterman show the host. of like some late night show that was. the Holy Grail right so they all wanted.

that and so when you know you get it and. you realize like oh. is this really what I wanted but it just. was it's it was a thing that seemed like. no one could get right and back then if. you got it it was a big deal and if you. were the host of The Tonight Show was a. big deal right and nowadays it's like. it's just another show right you know. it's just another thing that's on. television they got to compete with you. well they're not even compete it's like. they're competing with Netflix really. okay they're competing with things but. if they for conversations yeah they're. competing well Bill Maher is a podcast.

now there's a lot of great podcasters if. you want just free entertainment in your. ears you could there's so much there's. so many different things crime shows and. so many different stand-up comedians. have podcasts and so many scientists and. right [ __ ] man I mean you can just be. entertained forever so breaking into. that is hard right and you when you're. on a television show like you're kind of. depending upon people flipping through. the channels or people that are. accustomed to watching it at 11 p.m.

let's turn on The Late Night show right. you know. huh kind of a trap though it is it's a. trap I had no idea they don't grow. the viewership of those things just. keeps dwindling so we're like the young. comedians where do they so you didn't. you didn't you didn't get your Big Break. by going on uh uh Lena around going on. uh Carson or something like that but but. like you you found the right manager. it's like for a young comedian that's. trying to get going where how does that. how do they get discovered today okay. YouTube internet social media uh someone.

could be uh funny and have one clip. about one subject that resonates with. people and they throw it up on their. Instagram and it gets reposted and. shared yeah they put it up on Twitter. it's on YouTube and then bam all of a. sudden they're famous right it happens. all the time now this is a great time. for people to get their stuff out there. like probably the greatest time ever so. if you've Got Talent you can't keep it. down yeah I mean you know at least. people don't know about it. I mean there's definitely some people. that get better breaks than other people. that definitely happens but at the end.

of the day really it's about like. becoming undeniable and if you just put. your stuff out there and enough people. love it yeah so that's where they get. their big break today well you know. um back in my day I got on um uh the MTV. half hour Comedy Hour that was like the. first television show that I did where I. got attention from it and then I got a. development deal so that was like the. pathway back then it was like you would. do a stand-up comedy TV show and then. you try to get a sitcom and everybody. just wanted a sitcom or they wanted to. host the Tonight Show or host the Jimmy.

Kimmel show or whatever in your own show. but there wasn't a lot of those did you. ever do it did you I mean you did Fear. Factor but you ever host like a show. like where you're interviewing people or. I did I guest hosted once uh later with. Greg Kinnear he was out of town yeah and. like a guest host okay okay it was fun I. enjoyed it but it's uh it's still very. limited it's just not it's not the same. thing yeah it's like doing this is like. the perfect version of conversations for. me yeah some people like it more. restricted and they want to be wearing a.

suit they want the lights they want the. crowd and they feel like it's more of a. show and sure I get it there's all kinds. of different things that people like but. for me this is the most fun way yeah. how's the gummy bear treating yeah that. sounds like a little faded I'm buzzing. pretty good you look a little faded yeah. doesn't he. I could smell it smell you went to that. my son he can drive me home good no. autopilot for me tonight yeah yeah none. of that that's funny that's Ric Flair.

he's got to get his [ __ ] together with. weed it's weird that some I think it is. legal I think that weed is legal like. Delta nine is legal fairly weird I've. got a I got a quick weed story for you. so this ties into cold plunge so so I I. got diagnosed as ADHD back. in the late 90s I've been married for a. while and we're having trouble and like. he gets my counselor gives me this book. and says answer these hundred questions. and if you're more than 80 of them in. your ADHD I was 98 out of 100. so I. started taking Ritalin okay and I've.

been taking Ritalin you know uh for. almost 25 years so so fast forward to a. couple months ago I go to my doctor to. the clinic to go get my prescription. refill because it's a controlled. substance like Adderall or opioids or. whatever else and like for me it just. wakes me up in the morning I don't drink. coffee and kind of helps me stay focused. on the stuff I've got to do and better. follow through and focus and so I go in. and the nurse says well we have a new. policy at the clinic in order to get a.

refill for ritalin or any other. controlled substance we have to drug. test you. and I said okay all right whatever once. a year and so I started filling some. paperwork I'm like she's like okay well. tell me you know when you want to go pee. in the cup and I said. you're gonna drug pass me now I said I'm. 60 years old I've never been drug tested. in my life. and it just pissed me off I'm like I'm. paying money to be here I just want my. Ritalin so I stopped taking it and so. like for 30 days I'm kind of like oh man. I got a little less energy a little less. Focus well then I've been watching you.

and other other friends cold plunging. are you allowed to just get off a. ritalin like that you're not you're not. supposed to cold turkey yet but I did it. was we want a fairly low dose yeah it. was 20 milligrams in the morning 10 in. the afternoon but it normally didn't. take the afternoon but here's what I. found that for the for the 30 days. following it wasn't that hard of a real. transition I was just a little more. lethargic and needed to get to the gym. more but what I learned was is that my. level of aggression with my kids my wife. my employees. was ratcheted down by probably 20 from.

the cold. well so this means stop taking Ritalin. okay and my resting heart rate was lower. and so I thought what can I do so so. Ritalin was just jacking you I was. jacking yeah but I've been jacking me up. for 25 years and then friction I would. have it with employees or free I would I. would want to you know get into tussles. on just stupid [ __ ] and so this recent. Revelation is is the clinic wanting to. drug test me so I could get my Ritalin. refill me not taking the Ritalin.

I believe my wife and kids at least tell. me this so a few employees uh that I'm. that I'm just you know I don't have to. take gummy bears to calm down at times. right I'll take a gummy bear sometimes. to go to sleep but then I thought okay. well what can help kind of replace kind. of give me that kick in the ass in the. morning so kind of wake me up and get me. going and I'll go I'll go do an early. workout a boxing workout a couple times. a week but I'm like I need something. else I've been seeing you and other. people doing the cold plunge program. and that's like and and I had done it a.

few times before I got off the Ritalin. but I thought like okay the last time I. did that that light gave me like this. boost of focus like this mental focus. and more calm through the day so I. bought a so I bought a cold plunge tank. and I got it about three weeks ago and. coal plunge maybe five days a week in. the morning and I don't know maybe it's. just because it's a combination of it's. something that I really don't want to do. and it's really hard to do when I say. that to myself I'm like that's the very. reason I need to go do it and then. secondarily just like it shocks my. system all of a sudden it just wakes me. up so I'm like you know so if you're.

listening out there and you're on. riddling your kids on Ritalin you know. maybe what's I'm not a doctor I'm not. telling you what to do but I am saying. that I got off of Ritalin and now I can. kind of backfill that Boost energy in. the morning by doing a cold plunge. that's interesting that you were on it. for 25 years and you're able to get off. of it in 30 days like what is what did. that transition feel like because I. would imagine that you would kind of. become dependent on the feeling that you. get I never so I would run out from time. to time I would never I never felt. dependent on it but I did feel lower.

energy. especially the last probably the last 10. years as I've gotten older I'm like okay. you know I've never really been a. morning person I used to like up till. maybe 10 years ago and wouldn't go to. bed till two or three in the morning and. then I'd wake up at you know seven or. eight the next day but uh but anyway so. the Ritalin just kind of get you know. gets me going helps me Focus stay on. task but it probably starts wearing off. kind of by mid-afternoon but. but I just didn't the thing about that. kind of stuff to me is if you can. function as good as you're functioning.

without it I wonder because we think of. medications as being necessary yeah we. think of things like that as being. necessary like this is what you need. it'll straighten you out is it you know. I mean it is what we're missing like at. least with some people is what they're. missing physical activity and stressors. things like cold and heat yeah and. things like a morning workout like how. many people are just going to a pill and. not doing those other things to see if. like maybe there's a more healthy way to. approach this yeah I mean I mean just.

how much you know how much time like do. I waste just glancing at my phone who. texted me what's in the news what about. pool cues whatever you know and so one. of the things I noticed when we first. installed it maybe. it was the first or second time that I'd. cold Plunge at home. like I always kind of had this Euphoria. I don't know if it's kind of a little. bit of a dump of endorphins or dopamine. or what but just kind of me being happy. I did one time Wonder where's my phone. what's going on and my counselor tells. me that just by looking at her phone.

sometimes that gives us a tiny little. dopamine hit yeah it does look at the. phone so it's also just an addiction. you're just looking good for new. information constantly you're always. looking for some new picture or no new. new video new thing to like stimulate. you so that's why I found the coal. Plunge. kind of just for for a period of time. I'm like it's like I was just it was. calm it was like Zen it's like me being. up in the mountains looking at the trees. and just kind of being a peaceful moment. without having to you know take a Ric. Flair gummy bear what definitely makes. you so happy when you get out of it yeah. and you get out of it like I'm happy.

because I'm not freezing my balls off. anymore yeah it's that but it's really. just your the rush of endorphins you. feel so yeah that's true our family's. doing it my wife did it my daughter. comes over and does it son's real. athletic he's got two uh scope knees and. so he thought he tweaked his knee. playing pickleball the other day and he. did it and said no more pain so I mean. you as an athlete I mean and still. probably training pretty hard do you. find like when your body's getting a. little worn or your joints a little sore. does that does a cold punch help you too. I do it every day so I don't know okay I.

mean I still have joint pain I still. have like some stuff but that's just. yeah it is what it is you just get. accustomed to being in some sort of pain. most of the time right okay yeah. especially Jiu Jitsu Jiu Jitsu training. like here on this one you're always hurt. it's always something going on what what. do you still carry to this day that you. maybe you got hurt doing back in the day. oh I've had a bunch of surgeries I've. had my knees reconstructed both my knees. reconstructed okay it's a lot of his. joint stuff and back stuff like. everybody that I know that does Jiu.

Jitsu has some sort of a back issue or. neck issue so does does does does weed. or uh you know hallucinogens are those. does that help any is it more for your. mind stimulation relaxation or does it. help with any of your injuries I think. well I don't know if it helps with. injuries it definitely reduces. inflammation but there's a good argument. that maybe inflammation is good for some. injuries yeah because it's how the the. body is healing from it okay like. there's uh unless it's your arteries. unless you've got inflammation in your.

arteries yeah that's not good yeah um. but inflammation from injuries like so. there's like two schools of thought and. one school of thought is you should ice. things immediately and calm down the. inflammation and the other school of. thought is really what you need is um. heat and motion and you need to kind of. like Let the Body do its normal process. and there's a reason why it's inflamed. following an injury it's sending a lot. of blood to that area trying to fix it I. don't know I'm not smart enough I've. heard from very smart people both things. you should do I've heard you should ice.

things and I've heard you should never. ice things I don't know what to say. about that but I do know that it does uh. inhibit. um your growth and gains if you do it. post lifting okay so like if you lift. weights and then you jump into the cold. right afterwards the the reduction of. inflammation actually equals less growth. so you get less what they call. hypertrophy did you talk about talk. about some guy that was doing cold. plunges before his morning workout that. was boosting testosterone yes we've read.

about that there was a guy that he got. he had some sort of um. a test that showed uh that he might have. cancer okay and they wanted to put him. on certain medications and he said I. want to try doing a ketogenic diet and. doing the cold plunge every day and so. this guy shifted his diet and went to. doing a cold plunge every day before his. workouts and his testosterone rocketed. wow all of his problems went away we. started feeling way healthier right but. I think sometimes people need like a.

little bit of a wake-up call just to. kind of straighten up your diet yeah and. maybe it doesn't need to be keto but. maybe maybe the benefit wasn't really. from him doing keto which may have been. a benefit but it also might have been. when you're doing keto you're not eating. any [ __ ] like you can't eat potato. chips right you can't like drink soda. yeah like you only get a certain amount. of carbs per day right so you're trying. to get your body into this state where. it's just burning fat and just by doing. that you're eliminating [ __ ] and. that's probably what's [ __ ] with.

people more than anything it's just bad. food do you cook your own food you have. somebody yeah yeah okay yeah I cook a. lot what um. well gummy bear moment gummy bears all. your friends but sometimes they [ __ ] you. they leave you searching for your. thoughts yeah no I love cooking I really. do I love cooking meat you know. especially like game meat like wild game. yeah I see your Instagram some of the. elk stuff looks like man I'll be right. over I love it I love cooking rib eyes. too right because I like to eat I eat. mostly meat so I eat I try to eat a lot.

of fat because uh I'm not getting much. else do you take so like when you go to. you know go on the road for a fight or. doing a stand-up you bring like a cooler. you bring your bring your stuff some of. your stuff at restaurants okay okay. do you ever do you much do much with. intermittent fasting yeah I do that all. the time okay generally I do at least 14. hours okay so I generally like to work. out in the morning fasted okay you know. okay but um it depends like sometimes. like if I go if I have a show late at.

night like last night my show was pretty. late right uh I wasn't home until like 2. 30 in the morning okay so then I had. some food at night because I was just. exhausted and tired so that I ate then I. went to sleep and I woke up later right. so when I woke up I just ate and then. got my [ __ ] done because I'm like listen. the fasting's out the window I got. tanked last night let's just like get. something in and you know get get the. sweat going and right let's get rocking. and then kind of get your body back but. I do the cold plunge before anything. okay for any of my workouts I'm gonna. try that out it's I'm so accustomed to.

it now it's it still sucks like I still. hate it I'd still think about it but. it's necessary well it is really good. for you and it I feel so great when I. get out of it and I'm important more. importantly it's uh made my body much. more resilient to cold like I warm up. really quickly yeah like once I'm out. like I do the three minutes and I. remember the first time I did I was. [ __ ] cold for so long like oh you. [ __ ] oh you [ __ ] [ __ ] you dummy. what's wrong with you why are you doing. this now I get out and I'm like like my.

body's completely adapted to it so I can. start working out right away how cold. what temperature oh you go that low yeah. I do 34 for three minutes every morning. wow do you have a chiller do you have. ice or I have a marasco cold Plunge at. home. Forge and here we have one called a blue. cube okay and they're both very very. good I want to see that I've got I. bought one from renew I'll show you the. Bluetooth okay okay it's out here the. blue cube we have with the studio and. the blue cube they're upgrading to this. [ __ ] insane one they have now that's.

like a river okay so you don't get a. thermal layer over your body so when you. see the water is constantly circulating. exactly so it's just like you're sitting. in a river sucking okay never stop. sucking oh that's gonna super chill your. ass yeah because when you get in the. Morosco it's amazing and look it ain't. easy three three minutes is a great at. that temperature oh my God but after a. minute and a half or so it gets more. relaxed okay and that's because you. develop a thermal layer because when you. get out you know how your body gets like. super red yeah yeah right that's what.

that is okay that's your body is forcing. blood to try to warm up your skin okay. that's in contact with this cold it's. trying to prevent you from hypothermia. it's giving you some insulation yes yes. okay and so this blue cube one doesn't. allow that because it's like constantly. flowing through it's constantly flowing. so. yeah I'm a wuss I'm only down to 55. degrees oh that's ridiculous a shower in. that that's outrageous I like cold. showers too yeah in the winter it's. great yeah I love it I love it in the. winter oh the winter it feels so good I.

love doing it right after the sauna yeah. that's what I was going to ask you so. where does the so what rotation where. does the dry sauna come in with cold. Plunge in the workout it depends. entirely on what kind of workout I'm. doing all right like what I really. generally like to do is I like to work. out by doing uh cold plunge first always. and then I will have like whatever. workout I'm in and I'm doing hard cardio. like if I'm doing bag workout or. something like that then I go right into. the sauna afterwards okay so my heart. rate is jacked okay so when my heart. rate like when when my resting my heart.

rate uh after rounds like I'll do like. 10 Rounds on the bag and it's still. beating fast when I go in so and then. because of the heat like it's a static. form of cardio so when you're extend. your workout exactly I'm extending my. workout just sitting there and listening. to a book okay so I'll just put air if. you want to do that though get airpod. ones the original so slide out or no the. original ones don't overheat oh really. the other ones die out okay every. [ __ ] I've tried a bunch of different.

companies a bunch of different air they. all die except the original regular air. pumps whichever one they sell they'll. sell like a Gen 2 but it's not the new. ones yeah it's the old ones yeah the. ones in the little tiny case yes sure. those ones don't die okay because they. have less [ __ ] in them interesting the. other ones have noise canceling and all. that they die quick the pros they eat a. lot yeah and it's always the left one. because I'm sitting with my left side to. the heater okay so it made me conscious. of like switching sides so coal plunge. workout if you got your heart rate up.

definitely go straight into the dry. sauna yeah and then you you have a. rotation sometimes even when I lift. weights I'll go I'll go into the song it. depends on how much time I have but what. I really like is a sauna at night okay I. really like that when I come relax your. club or bad it relaxes you for bed but. it also It Centers is my mind and it. gives me an opportunity to have just a. little bit more adversity at the end of. the day go through 20 minutes of this. [ __ ] 189 degree sauna and steam and. just and listening to something. generally I'm listening to a book okay.

and uh I'm just in there just thinking. about [ __ ] yeah it gives you it's like. it's good alone time I need alone time. like I it's very important Windsor alone. time that you're not listening to the. book you're not think thinking about you. know learning when it works out when I'm. working out okay yeah when I'm working. out it's just alone time yeah you know. like if I'm hitting the bag either I. listen to music or sometimes I don't. listen to anything I just I just want to. hear the thumps I just want to hear that. one point Have you ever been in a fast. go-kart like not a fast one we were in.

um. Thailand Okay I think it was in Thailand. with my family yeah we went to this. place they they rent go-karts we were. like whipping around and they're fun as. [ __ ] we're racing each other it was a. really good time but yeah but like like. a really fast like a track focused. go-kart like for me like that's. something that will take my mind off of. everything because maybe a little bit. like boxing or something in that if I'm. not focused at what I'm doing I'm either. gonna [ __ ] lose or get [ __ ] hurt. or both yeah and so and so anyway I just.

well that's why skiing fast and go-karts. are what take my mind off of but without. getting hurt you could do that with pool. that's what I like true to some degree. and that's what I like about archery as. well yeah archery it's like when you're. drawing a little bit of Zen yeah it's. there's there's a thing that's happening. where it's so difficult to do that all. you're thinking about is that thing and. it's very mind cleansing because yeah. yeah Fred Bear said that something about. a troubled man and a bow right Fred Bear. was like one of the original yeah bow. hunting in this country yeah but.

um pool to me is like one of the. ultimate ones because you could do it at. any time you want anytime you have time. I can just go out there and set some. drills up or just run some balls and it. just freeze my mind yeah because you. know you're a good pool player when. you're making a long shot especially a. shot on that table right and you know. you have to get pinpoint position on the. next ball there's like so much going on. did you ever play any Street pool yeah. it is okay okay I never really played. one pocket but I played a lot of. straight pool I played a little bit of. one pocket just kind of it's like a.

chess match it's boring as [ __ ] I like. action you know so I get it yeah it's. hard to do I get it's a great gambling. game yeah those guys are that are really. the Tony Brady Matthews yeah yeah yeah. those yeah I mean your chest their chest. Masters is what they are it's an. intellectual game yeah Efron Reyes is. amazing yeah yeah but it's not my thing. I like rotation right right I like. breaking yeah sure I like running out. all right man well I'm your I'm your. pool table day just let me know we're. gonna do this hour and a half drive up. from the factory we had a good time yeah.

it was fun we didn't have uh enough time. that's all good that's the thing it's. like you just get warmed up when you. play for like an hour or two yeah yeah. well listen brother I appreciate you. coming here and I love your channels man. and I appreciate you making wild [ __ ] I. just love that you do that you just make. wild [ __ ] you know like whenever I look. at your uh your website he's like he's. got a thousand horsepower Camaro like. what the [ __ ] are you doing Exorcist. like Jesus Christ man like everything is. just so Bonkers over the top all of it.

the GT500 not fast enough yeah but does. it only have 700 words I thought we. built a thousand horses but for the. factory 700 from the factory we built a. thousand horsepower uh GT500 for Jim. Farley the CEO and his son went out and. drove around Monterey California last. August and had a blast with it the. [ __ ] videos that you guys have of. like people sitting in the car and you. you see the acceleration yeah oh my God. yeah I love that you're out there. brother appreciate it very much. appreciate you and thank you for being. here it was a lot of fun all right. goodbye.

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