Joe Rogan Experience #1977 - Dave Smith

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day let's [ __ ]. go oh we're live hello Dave Smith hello. sir good to see you my brother yeah it's. great to be back fun times last night. unbelievable P yeah that was your first. U Voyage aboard the mothership yes it. sure was if you're to get abducted by.

aliens at a comedy club it's the one to. to be at yeah imagine imagine if they. showed up there I imagine if they were. going to pick a comedy club to start. abducting people it would be yours well. they would know that we we'd be open. that's that's true props would probably. like charge. them whereas you would greet you would. welcome them in yeah put them on the. guest list it is I know I just I feel. like I'm just saying the same thing. everyone does but the club is really. amazing man you did an incredible job. it's pretty dope well it wasn't me I.

mean it was sort of but it was a lot of. people and uh a lot of it Richard Weiss. the uh architect and designer he's the. [ __ ] man he did an incredible job the. whole thing is just very bizarre you. know it wasn't mine I'd really be able. to appreciate it yeah I'm sure that's. true but it's cool to see something you. know like uh there's something cool. about having a concept in your head and. then seeing it manifest into reality cuz. I remember you know you talking about. this over the last couple years like. we're going to do this and it's going to. be like this and then like it's cool to.

see it materialize I've never done. anything like this before obviously but. I mean to to to have an idea and to just. like go all in on this idea and just. really try to cut in zero corners and. just do the best version of it and there. was a lot of delays because you know we. said okay let's change this let's change. that let's do this let's do that and. when I had an idea you know an idea to. change things it's just like you have to. kind of follow through with it you just.

you know it's like you have one chance. to do it right and you don't want to go. back and close for two weeks so you can. do new construction and fix something. and so we just you know took a long ass. [ __ ] time you know there's a lot of. people saying when you ever you not. opening a clo it's [ __ ] it's all. [ __ ] they just didn't I knew once it. got I'm like talk all that [ __ ] cuz once. this thing gets open you're all want to.

come and the ones who can't a lot of. fomo dude I thought you remember this is. like uh was it like a month ago or. something like that uh you texted me or. I texted you congratulating you that uh. for the club opening it was like right. around when it opened and uh you texted. me back uh I can wait for you to come. see it I think you meant to say I can't. wait you to come see it but I thought. there was something so funny about just. texting me like I was if that was your. way of telling me you don't want me at. the club I can I can wait I can wait for.

you to see it actually oh that's. hilarious it it has been a problem. though cuz there's you know a lot of. people want to come and some of them are. just you. know people are weird like that that. want a headline and you know that they. know like you know that you're not. really a headliner like what are you. talking about there's no I'm in the. position where I was talking to Adam. about it cuz I'm trying to find a he's. trying to find me a weekend and then he. was like I was like I'm free this. weekend and he's like you know I offered.

that to Schultz but let me see and then. I have to be like you know you don't. want to book Andrew Schultz man he. harasses the staff and stuff so like you. don't I just have to lie about my. friends you're like he's actually gotten. really into drugs man he's been. assaulting people you don't want to have. him here yeah he like loses it on stage. yeah it's really not cool yells at. people it's weird when you hear stories. like that like someone like losing it. yelling at people and [ __ ] I've heard. like weird stories about people yeah I. think the pressure of standup like the. constant performance it's like it's like. running an engine at very hot at high.

RPMs for many many miles like things. blow and we're all kind of crazy people. to begin with so some people have that. more in check than others but yeah I. don't want to name any names but I've. seen I've seen a couple hot ones my day. yeah yeah yeah it's they're the most fun. people though yeah that [ __ ] Green. Room like the Hang In The Green Room. it's like one of the greatest things of. all time it's just excellent man it's. it's set up like you can just tell it. was designed by a comedian you know what. I mean or at least like there was uh.

that perspective was taken into account. and tonight uh after the show we'll go. to the bar because the bar becomes like. a Speak Easy at 11:00 p.m. it's a. private club from 11:00 p.m. on so it's. open to the public until 11:00 and then. after the shows the comics and the staff. all come down and hang amen it's the. best dude hell yeah we just like created. what I thought would be the perfect. environment to develop comedy so there's. two nights of open mics which I think is. very important and uh you know Bill bur.

and I were talking about this uh when he. was in town and he was like that's. something that a lot of these clubs just. forgot they just want to fill the place. every night and make a lot of money but. you got to have a farm team you got to. have guys coming up you got to have you. know places where women can go on stage. where men can go on stage where n weding. can go on stage where you could just. [ __ ] just you don't have to have any. experience you don't have to have. nothing you just have to have a dream. and some ideas and a sense that you. think you could be funny and you can get.

up yeah and one you know one of the. things that's cool about it and I think. a lot of this is like because it's your. club that there's just um there's this. kind of like uh there's just this thing. in you where you're like you can be. Fearless here you know this is like to. borrow a like a safe space to be a. comedian like go for it and it's almost. because it's because it's your club and. you know the crowd knows that they know. that like they're coming for comedy here. and it's just great because that's one. of the things that's uh especially in.

cities Across America now like in terms. of like regular showcase clubs it's. different when you go out and like. headline because that's kind of like. your crowd coming but just random like. spots and stuff that's a lot of Comics. that's kind of in the back of their mind. like oh man is there going to be someone. here who's looking to get offended at. something I'm saying and that's that's a. real thing there are I've seen it I've. seen it at clubs it's [ __ ] bizarre. where someone will start a premise and. then someone will yell out [ __ ] [ __ ]. that yeah like they'll they'll yell out.

like to like virtue they like I have my. flag of virtue I will hold it up in this. this crowd of people that are trying to. enjoy something that's obviously not. real it's called standup comedy you know. what it is I I remember I I had a bit. about this on my uh in my hour uh that I. put out in 2017 and it was just like. right when Donald Trump you know like. first came into office but I remember. like working out stuff at clubs in New. York City and if you started a premise. of about Donald Trump you could feel the.

tension in the room where people are. being like you better not like him like. you better get to the point where you're. against him like are you on my team are. you're not you're not on my team yet you. could like feel it in the you know. especially New York yeah dude I was. there when he got elected and uh me and. my friend cam Haynes were you there. Jamie we were walking down the street. and Jamie too we were walking down the. street and there was an anti-trump. protest and I was watching this guy and. this guy this this [ __ ].

stereotypical liberal Progressive white. guy was walking down the street and he. was he was chanting out Donald Trump. KKK uh racist sexist anti-gay Donald. Trump and then he saw this black couple. walking towards him and he starts going. black lives matter black lives matter he. just like on Q he's like he got a oh. yeah yeah yeah that part black lives.

matter he just starts and like this is. adorable these people are adorable it's. yeah it is really it's something Bon he. really Donald Trump um he broke a lot of. brains yeah I don't know there it's a. really weird impact that he had on. people where he just got them so angry. that they could no longer think straight. I remember I was living in the Upper. West Side of Manhattan at the time um. when when he first got elected and I. remember seeing like some of those like. protest I remember seeing you know like. I remember that a couple with like their.

little girl like maybe she was like 12. or something like that and she was. holding up a worst president ever sign. and you're like okay first off he's had. the job for two months uh second off. this is very disrespectful to all of the. horrible presidents before him like L. LBJ slaughtered like two million. Vietnamese he doesn't even get like a. shot at contention here you're already. giving it to Trump like give him time. he'll do some bad things he probably. involved in the Kennedy assassination as. well almost certainly yeah probably you. don't want to talk about that seems like. he didn't like JFK it seems like maybe.

he liked the CIA it seems seems that way. but you don't want to talk about it too. much Joe you could lose your Fox News. gig that way you know what I love about. LBJ he used to take a [ __ ] with the. reporters like standing there with a. stall open he was a wild dude did take a. [ __ ] come on come on let's talk he would. just sit there and [ __ ] grunt one out. while it's it's the strangest but yet. most Alpha thing to possibly do to just. comfortably [ __ ] while you while you. talk to someone about Cambodia yeah. but yeah that's a wild move watching.

people. [ __ ] it's a wild move watching it's it's. more wild to just have the confidence to. just [ __ ] in front of people he's like. I'm the [ __ ] president yeah he's just. I guess never been elected would have. never been elected you can't say never. because if Biden was running against him. he probably would have been elected yeah. Jesus Biden was only 50 at the time the. fact that he's running again is so wild. when you watch him talk the fact that.

there's no leadership that can find a. solution to this cuz there really is no. solution I mean we've bantered about it. you and I and a lot of other people have. as well like what are they going to do. like what is what is that other than. Biden dying like very soon and then. someone stepping up in a big way that. makes which is not which is not beyond. the realm of possibility he's older than. the average life expectancy I believe. already not saying he will die but that. that is Poss.

um I'm sure there are a lot of people. like in the Democratic establishment who. have been like I I could just imagine. there's a boardroom with like very. powerful people meeting who they're like. okay we're getting them out what's the. plan like how do we do this and I think. they just cannot come up with one I. can't come up with one I mean I'm not a. political strategist but you know I know. the landscape know who's out there he's. perhaps brilliantly insulated himself by. making Camala Harris his vice president.

it's not a bad because they're like. they're like well we can't have her it's. like with Dan Quail with bush what do. you want yeah you think bush is dumb. look at this [ __ ] guy yeah it's. amazing it's a good move I mean it's. kind it's kind of a [ __ ] move though. you know what it's kind of like it's. kind of like those headliner Comics who. bring terrible openers yeah that's. that's what it is you know it's like. yeah you really want to do an hour after. Camala Harris like all right the crowd's. dead but all right. time is like time it just passes and.

time is something that we're all aware. of I got to say I don't understand the. joke because sometimes you'll see it and. you're like all right you're doing a. thing here like this isn't real you're. like is this are you like is this a. strategy of some sort to just say. nothing and like sound as dumb as. possible because you can't be this dumb. I think it's panic I it's I think it's. anxiety and I think it's panic and I. think no one can understand even you and. I who perform live in front of strangers.

all the time we would never be able to. understand the kind of pressure that. must be on a person who's deeply. unqualified for the job then all a. sudden finds herself in there through. you know some I mean he went out of his. way to say that he was going to have a. black woman like it was a thing that he. wanted to do it was like they had these. these diversity and inclusivity. checkpoints that they had to reach which. is also just a really shitty thing to do.

to her it's it's like a really. profoundly selfish thing if you think. about it because if you wanted say you. wanted to make Camala Harris your vice. president because you know she's a you. want a woman of color in there or. whatever the the thing to do would be to. say I'm going to find the absolute best. most qualified person and then pick her. but if you do that like that would be. more generous toward her cuz then it. makes it look at least like was the best. person for the job whereas if you say.

I'm going to make sure I pick a a black. woman now you get all the the brownie. points for like oh how woke you are but. now you kind of undermine her as like. well she's the best black woman I could. find not necessarily the best candidate. you know so sh think it's a good thing. I've talked to a lot of intelligent. people that think it's important for. representation and I'm like I would I. could see how you would say that in a. lot of jobs but this is probably the.

most important one that anyone could. ever have ever see I what I you got to. be it's got to be a meritocracy well. what's what's weird about it is it's. almost as if there's some weird. Prejudice built into that idea cuz if. you if you don't believe in like. superiority or inferiority of of. different races or different groups or. genders right different genders then you. would just go well make it a meritocracy. and let the absolute best person have. the job and I'm confident in that system.

that lots of different people will be. represented whereas if you're saying. like well no we need to make sure it's. that like wouldn't it be more ideal to. just have the best person at every job. yeah and than to have any type of forced. diversity right like why would that not. be we everyone in society is better off. if the best person qualified for jobs. gets those jobs you want the best. scientists and the best doctors and the. best pilots and the you want everyone to. be the best yeah no one ever want you. know no one ever wants like your surgeon.

to be picked based on anything other. than the best at performing this surgery. yes yeah you you you don't ever say I. want a white man doing surgery on me no. who the [ __ ] is that Chinese lady the. best bring her in like do more people. survive when she does it Jes CHR I'd. like her who's the expert fix my brain. yeah it's it's interesting because it's. like it's um very similar in some ways. to affirmative action right and. affirmative action in in my opinion.

is you're addressing a problem without. addressing the root of the problem the. root of the problem is why are so many. people of color disenfranchised why are. so many people who grow up in. neighborhoods where there's rampant. crime and violence and why haven't they. fixed those [ __ ] neighborhoods. they're dumping so much money into all. these problems overseas we have systemic. problems in America that never get a. rest until those and this is like.

Generations it takes to fix these. problems gener it's like a longterm. strategy but I've always said this if. you want to make America the best what. would be the best way to do that well. you want less losers right so what's the. best way to have fewer losers to give. more people opportunities so what who. are the people that have the least. opportunities the people that are in the. most [ __ ] places those are you could. fix that there's ways you could you. could dump tons of money and resources.

into inner cities into these problem. areas with law enforcement with with. community centers places where people. could go where they they have like. things to do and people can train them. and in and whether it's Athletics or. different jobs and different and show. them and Mentor them that's all that's. not like prohibitively impossible you're. not saying like they all deserve their. own nuclear power plant you know know. what I'm saying it's like what you're.

what you're saying is totally doable and. that's the way to fix all these problems. of disparity because people that grow up. in wealthy communities where everyone is. sort of trying to achieve things there's. a Vibe of those places and so many of. those people from those places wind up. succeeding yeah I think it's a lot of it. I think also is that there's a very kind. of like shallow narrative about what it. is that keeps people in these areas down. and so it's kind of like you know um.

it's just well it's racism or it's. systemic racism just these kind of terms. that don't aren't specific it's like. wait what what is actually happening. here and so much of the problem is that. like like the kind of culture and family. units have just been destroyed like. they've been decimated and then it's. like you could you can pump money into. like the public schools there which we. do we spend a lot of money on public. schools and there's still crappy schools. and the results are still bad and if.

you're not like you know even back in um. and there's a lot of like um uh Like. Walter Williams and Thomas Soul who are. both like two uh black conservative. really brilliant thinkers they they both. wrote a lot about this how like in the. 40s even during There Was You Know. segregation in the South and there was. like a whole bunch of horrible policies. but even back then you know um you could. walk around Harlem with no threat of. like violence or anything like that and. family units were together I believe the. black legitimacy rate was higher than.

the white legitimacy rate at the time. and there were a lot of policies that. came in that really destroyed like the. the family unit like what policies well. the rise of the welfare state was a. really big one uh it kind of subsidized. single Parenthood which is it's people. respond to incentives even though it. seems like that's an ugly thing to think. but if you Subs if you pay people for. having children out of wedlock you do. get more of it than you otherwise would. have and the other major one to me was.

the um the War on Drugs which I just. think was absolutely devastating to. these these neighborhoods it's you know. when just like with prohibition of. alcohol where we I think was still the. highest homicide rate in American. history was under prohibition of alcohol. and um and then when once they legalized. alcohol again it drastically reduced in. the next few years the same thing with. the prohibition of drugs you create. these black markets you create a lot of. like violent crime and that's what's. really destroying these these. neighborhoods is like the violent gang. culture and it's all built and funded.

around drugs that would the black. markets for which would not exist if we. just called the whole thing off it's. just calling the whole thing off is so. scary politically cuz if you were a guy. like uh Joe Biden that said I'm going to. legalize all drugs you know people would. [ __ ] turn on you they'd freak the. [ __ ] out yeah though well getting the. political will up to do it is something. but I mean you even see it even with. this you know we got like 100,000 ODS a. year now and so much of it is driven by. the fact that people are getting. fentanyl in [ __ ] they don't even know. that's not supposed to have fentanyl in.

it cuz it's in Black markets and Joe. Biden is. absolutely I mean it's hard to like hate. him so much now because he's so old and. scile it's hard to even hold him. responsible but his career he was like. probably the the worst person on this. issue Joe Biden since the 80s was. pushing ramp UPS in the war on drugs he. he challenged Ronald Reagan from the. right uh partnered up with STM Thurman. uh and was was criticizing Reagan for.

being too soft on drugs and then he was. the one who authored uh the crime bill. that Bill Clinton signed into law he's. just he's got a he's got a lot of death. and destruction on his old hands yeah. that crime Bill. wof the whole just War on Drugs thing is. such a strange issue because logically. everyone knows that when you legalize. things and certainly when you. decriminalize things you get a a a giant. drop in violent crime you get a giant.

drop in addiction it's it's so. counterintuitive but people are so. terrified because drugs have been so. devastating like the I because I think. that if we did legalize all drugs and it. happened quickly you're going to have. more overdoses you're going to have more. deaths you're going to have more addicts. you're just going to because there's. going to be more access yeah but when. people when does it balance out well I. don't know I think there will be more. access for sure but I don't I think so. many many of the overdoses now are.

because people become addicted to paying. pills or become addicted to to heroin. and get fentanyl in it and you wouldn't. have that if if drugs were legal so you. wouldn't have you would have stuff like. there's not a problem with people. smoking cigarettes and finding out there. was fentanyl in their cigarettes you. know what I mean because it's not but. there would be if or there could be if. it was on a black market and you were. just getting it from some gang member. you know um so it would reduce I think. it would reduce Deb uh overdoses in that. sense um there's no question it's a. trade-off there's no good perfect. solution where there's not any costs but.

um but the major benefit would be you. would eliminate like the the gang. violence and already even I think when. they um I don't have this like numbers. right at the top of my head on the front. of my head but um the the weed trade. from Mexico that used to be the big. thing and I think that's all but gone. now because not necessarily it's not um. apparently because there's so many. states where marijuana is still illegal. right um most of the ille weed is. actually being grown on state land by.

the cartels is that right yeah yeah. there's a guy named John Norris he wrote. a book called hidden war and he came on. the podcast to discuss it he actually. was a game warden and you know wanted to. have a job like you know checking. fishing licenses and stuff doing game. warden stuff and uh he detailed it in. the book how they found this Creek that. had been diverted and dried up and they. were trying to Fig they thought maybe a. farmer had done this or something some. obstruction and they traced it to this.

growop that was in the middle of the. forest and his unit became like a. Tactical Unit cuz they were having. gunfights with cartel members instead of. it being like game warden now it became. like a DEA type situation right where. you're running into these public land. growups where these guys they take this. area and they level it and they they. grow weed there and these guys were. camping there and you know they had guns. and it's wild [ __ ] man it's the whole.

book is incredible and the St. interesting so that's 90% he was saying. of all the illegal marijuana that's. being sold in America is coming out of. these places yeah really yeah yeah. there's I mean this is why again this is. why I think you just got to call the. whole thing off at a certain point it's. been a failure I mean we've been doing. it for what is it 40 something years or. I mean it's like it's or maybe more than. that is it 50 years now yeah I think. it's 72 or something like that it. started you know 50 plus years yeah I. mean it's like okay so we a war and the. drugs won and now it's time to just like.

with the Taliban it's time to accept. they keep winning like they're winning. and they're they're killing us it's. destroying our country and it's not the. legal ones it's the illegal ones and the. reason why it's destroying it is because. they're illegal so it's also propping up. the cartels it's like they just right. you could walk right over there people. walk over here walk right over there and. you have literally one of the. scariest results of drug Pro prohibition. right there where you have insane crime.

and and insane resources that the. cartels have they control the government. they control cities y it's wild [ __ ] and. it's all because of our policies and. it's interesting that we got the guy uh. in the White House who was the champion. of it for those entire 50 years I mean. maybe he wasn't in the whole 50 years. but he was in for like 40 plus of them. and he was the the great champion of it. and now and it's so funny that now he. like you know runs on like diversity. yeah but I you know but I hired the. first you know vice president who's.

black or whatever you know he like yeah. sure I threw you know hundreds of. thousands of them in cages but now look. at me I got one right next to me yeah. and yes she's an idiot but okay I hir. her so funny how Dylan mulany is like. the person they all go to whether it's. budlight or the president like even the. president was getting interviewed by. Dylan Mulaney which is. like what do you why like what is the. like and she's talking about day 300 of.

Womanhood and Biden's like bless your. heart you know it's so fun did you did. you hear the thing where Joe Biden uh. lied and said he was for gay marriage. since like the 70s or something like. that or whatever it was so he yeah he's. just making stuff up but it was so funny. because it's um CU he's just so old and. you know when old people try to say the. politically correct thing and no matter. how they say it it still comes out like. old and you know like you know they're. like colored people could read just as.

good as me and you like oh dude that's. the most racist so he goes he goes he's. telling the story of when he was a kid. and his dad and he saw two uh gay people. kiss and then he goes and then one of. them walked into the bank like they had. a job just like you or me you know like. he was like he was you're like yeah dude. they're people like what are you this. was a revelation to you like it still. just sounds so [ __ ] up but he's trying. to be cool and what was the thing that. he said something about. uh just like white kids can he was.

talking about poor people he he said. poor kids are just as bright as white. kids and you're like oh my God Jesus the. Freudian slips like ah it's like you. just but it's just also like you know in. the same way that if any of us had like. you know our 85-year-old Grandpa at the. table every now and then if they say. some things they're going to roll your. eyes you're almost like yeah you can't. expect him to be with the times on this. you're like just stop making Biden talk. about this stuff he's he's not with the.

but the fact that he has to not only do. that but has to be with the Lo latest. woke Insanity yeah like that this guy. like that any man in their 80s has got. to be like oh yeah dlan mulany totally. that's a that's a beautiful woman right. there that's what I'm looking at. beautiful woman and he's got to like. actually do that is just hilarious yeah. it's it's very interesting it's really. interesting the mental gymnastics that. people will put themselves through yeah. it's really something just to the idea.

that they're not stopping him from. running again I mean it's just you can't. I'm shocked I didn't think I thought. they were going to replace him as the. nominee at the last minute in uh 2020 I. was shocked he he did that and I was. sure he'd be a one-term president and. I'm still now not even convinced he's. going to be the nominee in 2024 but the. more time goes on like I guess they're. actually doing this well the the. fascinating thing is they will not allow. um for the primaries they're not gonna. allow debates oh they don't want to let.

RFK on a stage with Biden yeah RFK will. rip that old man up and then imagine if. his voice was good it's really a shame. it is a shame it's really the job really. the job is really a speaking tour yeah. and it's a it's a real issue that he has. he has issues speaking but he did have a. surgery recently and it's better than it. was before is that is it better but he's. uh he's an interesting guy on a lot of. in a lot of ways and I know people will. say um you know cuz he was a like a.

vaccine skeptic way before the covid. vaccine he's been a skeptic of vaccines. in general and a lot of people say. that's like oh you know this is a. conspiracy theory or it's too far but. you know that argument after covid is. really much weaker than it used to be. because people are actually like yeah. I'm listening now now I'm actually kind. of listening to that guy it seems like. there's a Playbook and you guys have. been following this Playbook forever yes. and I his speech um his announcement. speech last week what he spoke for over.

an hour and I mean it was really. fantastic I I don't agree with. everything the guy says but the the. major theme of his speech was that there. is this Unholy uh Alliance of big. business and big government and they're. working together to screw over the. American people and like damned if. anyone can argue that that's not true. but that's just so obviously the case. you know and he went through this whole. thing he's really uh is really great on. the stuff on the war in Ukraine and.

being skeptical about like what the hell. are we doing here um really really great. on the co stuff and he's a Kennedy and. he's not just like one of these like you. know like peripheral kennedies like I. married a third cousin type Kennedy like. he's he's Bobby Kennedy's kid yeah. there's something powerful about that. even still I think and it's amazing that. we've come so far we're so far gone that. they're not grasping that they're not. latching on to that like you want a. democratic president like he could be. the guy but the thing is they don't want.

that they want someone who adheres to. the narrative 100% completely doesn't. get off track is is in cahoots with big. business and big Tech and everything. else you well it's it's just that like. there the The Narrative is part of it. but it's the narrative serves the system. you know so the problem is that he's. kind of outside the system at least to. some degree at least he seems like he is. I don't you know I don't know but.

there's also something to you know look. I don't know exactly I I in fact I. haven't heard him address it I'm sure he. has but I don't know exactly where he is. on his uncle and his father's you know. uh assassinations but I know that his. dad was completely convinced that the. that the JFK assassination was a. conspiracy that they weren't telling us. about he did not buy it all into the. like Lee Harvey Oswell lone you know. wolf thing um so it's got to also be. you're a different type of Outsider to. the system if you believe the CIA killed.

your uncle that's a little bit different. than and maybe your dad yeah that's a. little bit different than just like you. know while I disagree with my opponent I. respect his you know opinion or. something like that that's a real like. no you understand how evil and corrupt. this system is and that's what makes him. an attractive candidate to me I like. people who recognize how evil and. corrupt the system is because it really. is both of those things and he's got. direct connection to it. it was evil to his family yeah yeah it's.

just have you read the real Anthony. fouchi his book no I I haven't I've I've. heard him talk about it in in several. different interviews yeah yeah if he. hasn't been sued yet and he hasn't been. sued yet for it like does that mean it's. true I mean he's got so many references. in that book if you read that book just. when they talk about what they did. during the AIDS pandemic holy [ __ ] man. Fouch is a very bad guy the what they. did. I mean in the book I mean I don't want.

to paraphrase I want to make sure I'm. I'm accurate about this but they tested. vaccines on foster kids including babies. like when you read what they did during. the pandemic and it's spooky [ __ ]. [ __ ] also like the application of a as a. treatment that a was a chemotherapy. medication that was killing people. quicker than cancer it's scary stuff man. when you when when he talks about Arthur. Ash and Arthur Ash taking a and dying.

very quickly afterwards and that Arthur. Ash didn't even like have any symptoms. before he's got on medication yeah well. it's one I think one of the things that. um people uh a lot of people have woken. up to this over the last few years with. all of the covid insanity um and I think. a lot of people have woken up to this. over say the last 20 years of all the. disastrous wars in the Middle East is. that it's. very it's very easy for them to just be. like oh look we have consensus amongst.

the expert class you know like we have. consensus amongst the scientists that. this is we need lockdowns and then we. need these vaccine mandates and we need. all of this and all the SC this is the. science the scientists agree but then. once you actually like look into it a. little bit you realize that it's like no. it's not that there's consensus amongst. the scientists it's that any scientist. that doesn't agree with the consensus. gets kicked out like there they all get. excommunicated and silenced and then oh. it's just it's this completely corrupt. group that is very involved with this. moneymaking machine and you're like oh.

there's such perverse incentives here. and so it's like and and the people. realize this when after time it just. gets demonstrated that what they were. saying is wrong like no one's AR no one. can argue anymore that if you get the. covid vaccine you can't get or transmit. covid no one's arguing that anymore. because it's just you can't keep up that. lie anymore that was so quick yeah it. was so quick I mean that lie was being. pushed on mainstream news just a couple. of years ago well dude me and you were.

like talking about this stuff it's so. it's like it seems like not really that. long ago right that we were having like. some conversations where there'd be. these clips of what we were saying and. it would be like look at this Co. misinformation and it's and now you're. like uhhuh let's let's look back at that. the the World Health Organization is now. saying that the the vaccine shouldn't be. given to kids and you're the thing you. said that was so controversial that. fouchy had to comment on it was you were. like H you know for young people I don't. know if I'd really tell tell you to take. this vaccine just be really healthy. say like eat really well exercise get a. lot of sunlight that was your dangerous.

misinformation that you were spreading. like let's let's put that up against and. at the same time fouchy was saying if. you get the vaccine you're not going to. get covid you can't transmit it you're. like so who's who is spreading. misinformation oh yeah they knew it was. misinformation because they had never. tested it for transmission yes they they. they knew it the woman uh I'm blanking. on her name but the she was on the task. force the original task force in 2020. she's the the lady who's was always. there at the podium with Trump and. fouchi yes yes she said um in like a.

kind of diplomatic way but she was like. now I she goes I always knew that it. wouldn't prevent transmission and I felt. that we overreached when we were making. that claim and you're like overreached. lady all of the policies that you put. into place were built around that idea. the whole idea of vaccine mandates and. uh vaccine passports and all of this. this was all predicated on the IDE a. that it wasn't just your choice like it.

wasn't just like oh you're choosing for. your own health risk that you were. protecting other people that was the. whole idea that the whole thing was. based on if that's not true then there. was no justification for this and. millions of people lost their jobs over. this yeah not to mention just the amount. of people who were just like. disenfranchised like in major cities. across the country you couldn't go to a. restaurant or couldn't go to a. basketball game or whatever which may. seem less important than the ones who. lost their job but it's still [ __ ] up. it's all [ __ ] up because it was all Al. incentivizing people to go along with. something that they might not have.

wanted to do and then when you see the. amount of people that got damaged. because of that both. financially physically vaccine injuries. you know ostracized from their. communities how many marriages broke up. how many friendships broke up I know a. lot of people that were skeptical about. the covid vaccine and they were shamed. by their friends and they lost contact. with those people they stopped being. friends with them I know a lot of people. who um who Mental Health Health really. deteriorated during the lockdowns as. well you know without a doubt there's a.

lot of people that were already. struggling before the pandemic and that. pushed them over the edge yeah for sure. I mean it's it's really like it's. something to look back on it now a few. years later and just like how crazy it. was that we did that like the lockdowns. that you were just like people were at. home watching TV to find out from their. governor holding a daily press. conference telling you what you're. allowed to do today that was reality and. if you think about it from like a mental. health point of view what could be worse.

than to just be like okay listen I want. you to stay home I don't want you to see. your friends I don't want you to go out. to a game I want you to stay home and be. terrified of a floating abstraction that. can come get you at any point and on top. of that you're probably also going to be. terrified about like your Economic. Security your financial future like all. of this stuff it's like the worst thing. you could do for people so yeah like you. said for people who were like on the. edge already you know like yeah that's. and then there was a lot of like old.

celebrities who were really terrified of. it who were just calling everybody a. [ __ ] [ __ ] for not taking it you're. you [ __ ] idiots you're going to ruin. it all for everyone [ __ ] your freedom. all that stuff remember that yep that's. all that [ __ ] is wild it's so wild to. see now yeah and I do think like I'm not. my personal view is that I think like um. I think for the people at the very top. like I really do think there should be. criminal charges I think we should have.

nberg type trials for what people did I. think it's I think it's one of the. greatest crimes perpetrated on the. American people by the government. especially if we funded the research. that caused it in the first place which. we did I mean they they can argue no we. were funding other gain of function. research at that same lab but come on. man we were funding the lab where this. virus almost certainly came from so the. but I just saying that at the top level. I think people should be prosecuted they. should go should be prosecuted clearly. at least for lying to Congress if.

nothing else um he out and out lies. straight up lies and now that's proven. yes um but then like for other people. like you can't I'm not saying everyone. who supported the lockdown should like. go to jail or something we have to. forgive people um but I do think there. should be some process where like some. type of reconciliation um but I don't I. don't think people should forget like I. don't think people like the thing you. were just saying about Arnold Schwarz. and eggar and stuff like that and all. that don't forget. what what these guys were willing to. jump on board with like and how much.

further would they have gone right you. know what I mean like what like they. pushed it pretty far and these guys were. completely on board like is it really. that Unthinkable to say if they were. like Hey we're going to round up the. unvaccinated yeah and put them into. camps take them away from their family. you know is that some people would have. gone along with it imagine if the. pandemic was worse imagine if this. disease instead of killing a fraction of. 1% imagine if it killed. 5% people would be on board with it if.

it killed 10% people would be on board. with it it would I mean it's funny. because what um Sam Harris had that uh. that uh thing he had a clip where he was. saying that basically like he was making. the argument that like hey if this thing. was worse you all we wouldn't have. tolerated any of this covid. misinformation here's why that's wrong. because the vaccine still sucks yeah no. it's yeah I mean if you change if you. change all of the fundamentals and you. make it a vaccine that's perfect and the. thing is worse than okay fine but I when.

he said it the first thing I'm thinking. of it's like oh yeah no even in your. scenario you guys would have gone full. Nazi like that's what would have. happened if it was way worse because you. guys wouldn't have just been like light. totalitarians you would have gone to. like some full dark totalitarian thing. and so what now now you're going to what. uh we no longer have freedom of speech. and you're going to just what are you. going to do what are you going to do to. the person who says I don't want to get. the vaccine now and when you eliminate. that freedom of speech and you allow. that government overreach and control it. never goes away it never goes away and.

the fact that people don't recognize. that they can't just make these logical. thoughts about the future like if we do. this what happens if someone gets in. power and they're evil and they already. have these new controls that we put in. place like that was during the ndaa. remember when Obama was like we would. never you know detain people for no. reason like yeah you wouldn't as he. signed it in into law yeah but just. saying that you don't you would never.

use it then don't have it yeah you. should need a [ __ ] warrant there. should be like a reason why someone gets. detained there shouldn't be an. indefinite detention indefinite if if. people don't know the reference in the. in the ndaa ACT I forget which year it. was um but 2011 I think um there was. this provision that said that under the. opice of the war on terror that uh The. Government Can detain an American. citizen and hold them indefinitely with. no charges if they decide that you are. in some way connected to some type of.

group and Obama signed it into law but. he put a signing statement on the bill. and said I do not plan on invoking this. this privilege and I we do not plan on. detaining anyone but you're like but. that's not enough to veto the bill like. that's like oh yes this bill does. technically repeal the Bill of Rights. but I'm still going to sign it but you. don't worry about that it should be. illegal should be illegal to go against. the the the ideas that founded the well. the thing is what's weird is that it is. illegal I mean like the Constitution is.

the supreme law of the land this is what. they all hold their hands up to and take. an oath to Swear to protect and defend. um but the thing is that it doesn't. really matter like the thing about laws. is that they're just words written on a. piece of paper so it doesn't really. matter what's technically legal or. illegal what matters is what people can. get away with doing like Obama murdered. American citizens with no charges two of. them at least um that is illegal that. that is very clearly illegal this was.

you're talking about drone strikes. suspected there was it was anoir alaki. and his his son now with the son who was. like 14 or 15 they came back and killed. him a few weeks after they killed the. father now I believe they claim he was. not the target of the Drone strike like. that he was just collateral damage still. I would argue should be illegal um but I. also most people don't buy that because. it's just like seems very obvious that. they were trying to take him out but the. acki guy certainly had been radicalized.

and I think had sworn Allegan Allegiance. uh allegiance to Al-Qaeda um but he's. still an American citizen and the rules. are if you're an American citizen are. you have to be charged with a crime and. then you get a lawyer in a suit and a. judge in a robe and 12 people who are. like pulled randomly and they decide if. you're guilty of a crime and by the way. they can he was in Yemen at the time but. they can charge you and a trial and if. you don't show up to it they still you. know what I mean like convict you of it.

but there's a whole process you don't. just have the president drop a sky robot. on you because he says you're guilty of. these crimes um and you know it's funny. when people that they'll still talk. about Obama be scandal-free. Administration you know what was his. biggest Scandal he wore a town suit or. something and you're like how about them. murdering American citizens without. charges that was a pretty big scandal in. my opinion and what about the people. that got killed by drones that were. totally innocent which is in the. somewhere in the range of 90% it was.

over 90% there there was one uh um. report that came out about that that I. think said somewhere in the neighborhood. of like 95% of the people killed in. drones were not that were collateral. damage were not the targets of the. drones these you know they they like to. people like to think of these things. they call them Precision strikes but. like they're not surgical strikes. they're they're bombs that blow [ __ ] up. you know what I mean and yeah a lot of. innocent people die and then out of. those it's even higher than that because. what they're counting as as the target. of the strikes just means you were put.

on a list which is not always does not. always mean that you were actually a. terrorist because what happens is a lot. of times they're working with these. groups on the ground they kind of bribe. them to rat out who's a terrorist but a. lot of times those groups are just. giving you like their enemy you know. what I mean like someone they want to. get killed or they're just coming up. with names because they want you to keep. bribing them the whole thing was such a. cluster [ __ ] man um and some of it is. still uh going on to this day although. now we've decided to flirt with an even. much more dangerous uh nuclear war um.

but yeah and and even the Drone bombings. weren't the worst of what Obama did you. know the worst of what he did was. overthrowing momar Gaddafi in Libya um. funding the anti-assad rebels and. starting a civil war in Syria funding. the Saudis and giving them the green. light and refueling their fighter jet so. they could genocide the people of Yemen. for eight freaking years that was the. worst of it um and. just goddamn goddamn tragedy. yeah but he talks so well he gave a hell.

of a speech great president he really. gave a hell of a speech great Statesman. he's I it's it's people forget how good. he was the job aged him a lot too so he. wasn't as good at the end as he was at. the beginning but if you go listen to. his um it's nonsense it's mostly just. like gooey nothingness but if you listen. to his speech at the um the 2008 uh. Democratic National Convention His. official acceptance speech it's just. like. it's a master class on H on public.

speaking he would just say these things. even when they were like meaningless but. he would like I remember trying to think. if I can remember he has this he's like. uh he's like he's like I love this. country and so do you and so does John. McCain the men and women who have fought. and died in our armed forces have been. Democrats and Republicans and. independents but they did not die. defending a red America or a blue. America they die defending the United. States of America. it's the he would deliver it so like it. really just tugs at your like insides.

and makes you like godamn and then after. a little while you walk away and you're. like wait but what did he say right like. oh there was nothing I mean it was. nothing it wasn't like you know he did. say some good things when he ran though. he did I mean he he ran on some really. good policies like ending the the the. wars and uh closing Guantanamo Bay and. repealing the Patriot Act and restoring. the rule of law and you know ending. torture and all the shame is he did none. of it um and I think that's a like I I. go back and forth you could pick like. any president really of my lifetime.

you'd be like who ruined the 21st. century for America um you could. certainly make an argument for George W. bush um and Dick Cheney but there's. something about Obama I think I I put. probably more blame than anyone else on. him because he. was he was supposed to be the. response and like that's the way this. system of government is supposed to work. or so they say. is like well we have these Democratic. proc processes you know so you can um.

you know if they're if you're upset with. these guys you can kick the bums out and. vote for these guys and obviously we all. know it's like the way then they narrow. it down to two teams and those two teams. happen to have the same policy when it. comes to you know the military. industrial complex or the banking. industrial complex or the pharmaceutical. industrial complex they're all on the. same side so that's how the uni party. works like no matter who you vote in. they're all supposed to be but the. country was so furious with W bush and. Dick Cheney who handed him two. disastrous failed Wars and the worst.

financial crisis in 100 years and they. were so furious with them that they. voted the most opposite thing they could. you know the the this junior Senator. constitutional lawyer brilliant. articulate you know everything that was. the opposite of George W bush and he was. supposed to be the answer and then he. got in and just continued the bush like. the Bush Administration it might as well. have been the third and fourth term of. George W bush and that is where the. country spins at to me that's where you. end up with Trump I bet if you were.

friends with Obama if you could if you. really were friends with them if you. could have a couple of drinks maybe. spark up a joint and talk to that guy if. he really trusted you and knew you were. never going to tell anybody I bet he. could tell you some [ __ ] yeah I bet. you're right I I I'm on I'm more of like. a believer in what Putin has said about. this when he talks about how he's been. through three different presidents and. they all have these plans and he goes.

and they get into office and people that. are dressed in a suit like mine come in. sit them down and tell them how. everything works if you think about how. much access to the real understanding of. how the government works is ever going. to be given to a junior Senator who's. running for president I bet very little. I bet very little I bet there's no. speeches I bet there's no conversation. about it I think once you get in once. you're in the Pentagon once you're in. the old office once you're meeting with. these people and you realize like holy.

[ __ ] and then you realize this machine. behind you that's pushing all the. buttons and and you're a spokesperson. for this machine yeah I think I think. this might be why they hated Trump so. much because I think that speech just. didn't work on him yeah he's like like. there's this story and I don't know if. this is true or not but it sounds so. true I think it was in Bob Woodward's. book I I can't remember where it was but. I this may not be true but it just. sounds so true that I guess after Trump. won the election. and he goes to camp David um I think.

this is still while he was um uh. President elect it might have been right. after he got in I'm not sure but I guess. he goes and he's like at this like CIA. like thing and they said that he came in. and there's like a wall for like um like. agents who died in the line of duty and. they said Trump just walks in and stands. right in front of it which is like crazy. disrespectful to do and he said he just. starts talking to the room about how. tremendous his victory was like he just. gets there and he's like everyone said. we were going to lose but we won big and. we won both and it just sounds like I.

don't know if that really happened but. it so sounds like that really happened. and you can just imagine all these CIA. agents just like we got to get rid of. this guy um but like what you said about. the stuff like the speech they get who. knows it's a real interesting thing to. to think about I would love to talk to. Trump about that it's a great Bill Hicks. uh a great Bill Hicks bit the bit about. showing the kened assassination from an. angle you've never seen before such a. great bet but uh there's. I will say that there definitely are. what we like what we know is there.

definitely are forces that kind of roll. over presidents and even with Obama like. you know if you remember the the story. with um the um General mccristal and how. he went to the. media and told them this is the guy who. uh Michael Hastings ended up getting. fired because he was you know talking. [ __ ] about Obama to him at a bar maybe. whacked well you know he just was. driving too fast that night I guess I. don't know I don't know the story there. let's talk about that one in a minute. sure sure I I'm not sure if that is it. like what happened with that cuz I have.

heard that like his brother said he. started drinking again or something like. that so I don't know the details of that. story exactly I would drink too if. assassins after me yes if I was if I was. working on uncovering CIA corruption I'd. probably be drink just working on. undercovering CIA corruption but you. were embedded with these soldiers and. they got comfortable with you yeah and. then you printed all the things that. they said which but what's what's very. interesting about that is that it it it. was a really good it was really. important story because it makes you. recognize that like wow even these like.

very high ranking generals are talking. [ __ ] about the president like this H. this [ __ ] [ __ ] doesn't know what. he's doing that but so mccristal before. that interview he went to the media. because Obama I guess gave him the surge. he wanted but he put an end date on it. he was like but our troops will be out. by this date and that pissed him off and. so he went to the media and told them. that you know uh he said I haven't had. any contact with the president and we. haven't been talking since this and that. and then the media like put all this. pressure on Obama like you're not even. talking to your guy over there in.

Afghanistan and basically kind of tied. his hands politically so that he kind of. just had to continue the war and there's. a lot of stuff like that that happens. and with Trump I mean it was it was. reported that they lied to him about the. number of troops in uh in in Syria and. when he said he wanted to pull the. troops out they lied to him and said. they were far less than they're actually. were like they're and they're just. bragging about this uh it's it's really. you you you really realize that this. thing is all fake it's not run the way.

people think it's run yeah and that is. if anything I mean even if you're a. trump hater you have to recognize that. he exposed that he showed us that in a. way that we'd never seen before because. they were so furious at him they were. willing to like show their powers they. were will they were almost like witches. that start casting spells you're like oh. well what's weird is that so many of the. the Trump haters which like be a trump. hater I don't it's fine I. there's a lot to critici there but like. so many of the Trump haters will talk.

about like um you know undermining our. democracy and he he incited an. Insurrection against like this. Democratic Republic or whatever but then. you'll see things like look this just. came out um uh within the last week and. a half or so that we now know that it. was it was uh blinket the current. Secretary of State before he came in who. requested that the CIA put together this. letter that said there were 50. intelligence experts who had determined.

that the hunter Biden labtop had all the. ear marks of Russian disinformation you. know just to help Joe Biden win now. forget even the fact that um the. intelligence agencies are interfering in. an election that they're they're doing. it to undermine who was the current. president of the United States of. America the guy they work for they're. also openly lying. yes yes I mean that's a all of these are. big problems but the fact that that's.

not freaking people out that they openly. lied about that yeah it's it's I mean. all of this stuff is very troubling and. then of course you know um I mean that's. dictatorship well they just just that's. not supposed to be how America works and. if you're a guy that's involved in doing. that like Jesus Christ how much power do. you need like you you you can't do that. it's so deeply unamerican to to. lie to the American people about. something that might affect an election.

is crazy that's and to justify it. because you want your guy to get in. there like man that that's a crazy abuse. of power and the problem with that is I. think the FBI is very important I think. the CIA is very important I think all. these people that. are understanding what's going on in the. world and and with with no filter they. have all the access to information if. you don't have that in this world this. climate that we live in I think you're. [ __ ] but you can't do that because.

that's going to undermine everybody. else's understanding of what you're. you're willing to do so all the good. work that they do people are going to. mistrust it there's a lot of people that. have lost their faith in the. intelligence Community because of things. like this well and because of the stuff. that they do I mean it's like it's not. but it's kind of like but I think a lot. of those people are [ __ ] Patriots. which is so [ __ ] yeah I'm sure there. are there are some um but they just. they're stuck in a system yes but that's.

the problem is that it's like you know. it's like when people say they're losing. uh that people are losing trust in these. institutions it's like well yes but it's. because they've found out what the. institutions are doing it's like if your. if your wife found out that you're. cheating all over her and you're like. well this is a problem because she's. losing trust in me it's like well yeah. but she's not she shouldn't trust you. because she found out what you're doing. you know what I mean like it's so but. isn't it who's going to watch The. Watchmen isn't isn't that because when. you have any kind of a position like.

that where you have just insane power. over information and policy and what. gets done and no one no one is managing. it like what from outside of it that's. saying hey what are you doing no that's. in the Constitution you can't do that. don't do that there's no like. oversight where there's someone who is. completely obje. is loyal only to the Constitution and.

the Bill of Rights and lays out like the. rules these are the [ __ ] rules for. America like you can't operate outside. of these rules just because you want. your guy to win that's unamerican that's. as unamerican as anything else that you. could be prosecuted for that we get. think about what Assange did what. they're trying to get up is what's more. unamerican lying to the American people. or exposing the American people to. information that has been hidden from.

them that's deeply disturbing that would. change their opinion on things and. that's criminal you know I me like. expose actual war crimes like what is. what is America that's the thing like. what are we are we The Shining Light of. the World are we the this incredible. Garden of creativity and Innovation CU. we're that too yeah we we we are a a. wild [ __ ] amazing experiment in. self-government but we got to stick to. the [ __ ] rules and if you get people. in power and no one is able to stop them.

from not sticking to the rules and then. when they do violate the law there's no. consequences we forgot what it is to be. American it's not good for them it's not. good for us it's not good for any of us. we're all in this together you can't do. that yeah well like you said we are kind. of all of those things you know we're. like we we are this like you know it's. like in in the wise words of the great. Eminem I'm all I'm all for America [ __ ].

the government you know like we're great. not even [ __ ] the government [ __ ] the. bad parts of the government there's. there's people in the government that. are trying to do the right thing I know. there are there's people in the. government that are patriots there's. people in the government that really. want this place to get better you don't. think Bernie Sanders wants the. government to get better I think he. definitely wants the world to get better. I think that guy realistically wants the. world to be at a better place I think. Tulsi gabard realist. was was.

awom years but look what the system did. to a good congresswoman yeah but you. know what she recognized that she wasn't. willing to be compromised and she. removed herself from what she thought. was a corrupt organization right but. then like so what does that say about. Bernie Sanders but right but I'm just. saying that's kind of the way the system. works so it it chews up and spits out. the people who have some Integrity not. all of them there are some some who who. you know like like stay in um but there. is some I mean Tulsi gabard got called a. Russian asset by by Hillary Clinton by.

the establishment of her own party you. know a woman who served was embedded in. a medical unit in Iraq served tce yeah. really saw the cost of War really sawel. that white streak in her hair from that. yeah the war that Hillary Clinton lied. us into and voted for um and then she. turns around it calls her like she. betrayed her the country wild that they. think they can say that cuz they used to. be able to say that with no recourse. they're operating in a world where there. was no internet they still have that.

programming from the world of no. internet yeah and also operating in a. world you know it's kind of like what. you were talking about with like the CIA. getting so much power that it just. becomes so corrupted and I think a lot a. lot of the story of America and how. we've just become so degraded um is is. really kind of goes back to the collapse. of the Soviet Union and the fact that. what uh Charles crammer called the uni. the unipolar moment that in the '90s it. was like like oh for the first time ever. that's it America is the lone superpower.

and this really is like what all of. those guys said like all the. neoconservatives like the project for a. New American Century and those guys they. were like this is our moment we can do. whatever we want we have like we are the. sole power in the world and what they. wanted to do was a lot of really awful. things um but that it almost created so. much power and so much hubris that they. just think they can get away with. everything like there's no limit on what. they can do and it turns out that. actually you're not Gods you're just.

people and all of these this carefully. perfect like okay well this is what. we'll do and then this is what's going. to happen you know we'll overthrow. Saddam Hussein and then democracy will. sweep the region and it's like no it's. actually not going to work out that way. and to me to me that's the whole story. of the the war in Ukraine right now too. it was all like we're we're going to. we've got this perfect plan that we'll. just keep expanding NATO and we'll just. keep interfering we'll have these. color-coded revolutions we'll take over. more more and more and we we will be the. dominant force and it's like you well.

there's consequences to that that. doesn't doesn't just work as perfectly. as you planned it out just like with all. the wars in the Middle East and what's. happening now is very spooky it's really. spooky because so many people are dying. and they're trying to put a positive. spin on it it's like what is the end. game here how does this end how is there. not negotiations and when Trump says. that he it would have never happened. when he was in office and he would be. able to stop it now like people listen. to that and like that's dangerous too. it's dangerous to to to to have this one.

solution like if he he's going to fix it. he's going to fix it hey what if he. can't what if he can't what if this is a. thing that's just like Eisenhower warned. everyone about what if this is a thing. what what this a [ __ ] whole business. just like we're in the business of. telling jokes you know people who make. pies are in the business of pie making. and people make war are in the business. of War making and once that machine gets. moving I mean it's like a tank with no. breaks it's certainly very hard to stop.

it and we haven't figured out we haven't. figured out how to yet and you know. Donald Trump can say that and I would. say I think his rhetoric has been much. better on this than Joe Biden's and at. least he's talking about negotiating. stop it you think you think there's a. way to somehow or another does the. president have that kind of power where. the president could go in and say I want. to meet with Putin I want to organize a. negotiation I want to end this right now. he could say it and you know and then. see what I don't know you know I have to.

get NATO to pull their arms back well. the I mean the president could certainly. use has a lot of Leverage there you know. what I mean like how much power do you. think they really genuinely have it's an. interesting question I don't know. exactly I think that's what Putin's. point was about getting into office yeah. I think I think that's that's what he. was saying and it does seem like there's. a lot of Truth to that I also one of the. things that makes me um skep IAL about. how great Trump would be on this that. Trump wasn't very good on this issue. while he was in I mean Trump was the one.

who sent the weapons into Ukraine as. this is you know when he got impeached. it was famously over um the Ukraine gate. thing was he said um he was uh they said. it was a quidd proquo where he was. holding up the weapons putting pressure. on zalinsky to investigate the bidens. but the part of that story that doesn't. get talked about that much is that then. he caved and he gave them the weapons. and this was a major this was a major uh. reason I think why this war ended up. happening and what they said at the time.

was that they were sending in the. weapons to um to deter the Russians and. so either either they're really bad at. deterrence or it actually was a. provocation um because it certainly. didn't deter Vladimir Putin from going. in um and I think that and Trump also. got us out of the INF treaty um he also. like was just he was not good on this he. was in fact I think he was trying to. prove how much he wasn't a Russian agent. I mean that he was kind of like being. more hawkish toward Russia um to show. you what a Russian agent I'm not oh no.

um so I don't know I don't know what he. would do it certainly couldn't be any. worse than what the plan is right now. and you know to your point that you made. because I know last time I was on the. show I talked a lot about this uh um the. the like kind of the cause of this war. in Ukraine and I put a lot of blame on. American foreign policy and I uh it went. super viral and I heard back from some. people who disagreed um but the the. funny thing about it is is that it's not. like when I was talking about like NATO.

expansion and how much of a provocation. this was to the Russians when you were. talking about like the good people in. government it's it it's not like it's. just cooks or you know crazy. Libertarians like me it was it's not. just like Ron Paul and and Nome Chomsky. and Pat mchanon like The Outsiders who. were all against NATO expansion but the. list of people within the government. within the National Security apparatus. who completely opposed NATO expansion is. really impressive and long there's a lot.

of like really wise people within the. government who were completely against. NATO expansion in the 90s when it first. started um at least three secretaries of. defense uh Robert mcnamar um uh Robert. Gates uh George W bush and Barack. Obama's Secretary of Defense William. Perry who was Bill Clinton's Secretary. of Defense and and the Secretary of. Defense at the time they all opposed it. in like the strong EST possible language. and all explicitly for the reason that.

this will provoke a conflict with Russia. and they were like uh George Kennan who. was the founder of the containment. strategy the old school cold warrior. there's this great interview he gave. with uh Thomas Freedman from The New. York Times you can find it online and. it's in the 90s when they're doing the. first round of NATO expansion and he is. like. theous like his anger comes through the. page when you're reading it cuz he's. like what are what are you guys doing we. won the Cold War we won and now you're.

picking a fight with Russia and this. isn't Vladimir Putin's Russia this was. Boris yelson you know and he's like this. these aren't the Soviets these aren't. the Communists these are the heroes who. overthrew them why are we picking a. fight with them and he was a cold. warrior he was like you're throwing away. my life's work and he said and and this. was a really you know a a crazy. prediction really ominous he said the. people who are advocating expanding NATO. are going to continue advocating. expanding it and expanding it and. expanding it and then there will be a. Russian reaction and then when there's.

the Russian reaction they're going to. say see that's proof that we have to. keep expanding it and damn if he wasn't. right if he wasn't right about that and. oh but one more uh little detail on this. because this is really interesting is so. there's uh in 2008 in February of 2008. there was a private cable that the. current uh CIA head uh Burns uh Bill. Burns who's currently the head of the. CIA at the time he was the ambassador to.

Russia and so he sent a private uh. message to condesa Rice who was the. Secretary of State at the time and this. the only reason we know about this is. because of the heroic uh Julian Assange. dumped this so this was not for the. public this is like what they were. saying to each other and this memo was. titled net means net and it was about. Ukrainian entry into NATO because this. had been floated out for a while yeah. there you go uh basically the whole.

piece is this the current CIA director. telling uh telling condalisa rice that. this and he's saying it in diplomatic. language yeah so he says Ukraine and. Georgia's NATO aspirations not only. touch a raw nerve in Russia they uh they. engender serious concerns about the. consequences for stability in the region. not only does Russia perceive. encirclement and efforts to undermine. Russia's influence in the region but it. also fears unpredictable and. uncontrolled consequences which would.

seriously affect Russian security. interests experts tell us that Russia is. particularly worried that the strong. divisions in Ukraine over NATO. membership with much of the ethnic. Russian Community against membership. could lead to a major split involving. violence or at worst Civil War in that. eventuality Russia would have to decide. whether to intervene a decision Russia. does not want to have to face so this is. now there's another memo that comes out. later that year where he says and it's. really it's a really interesting thing.

where he goes he said Ukrainian entry. into NATO is the brightest of all red. lines and burns says to condesa Rice. again not to the American public just to. let the Secretary of State know like. this is what I'm saying he goes I've. spoken to everyone over here he goes. from the craziest right-wingers to. Putin's sharpest liberal critics and it. is unanimous to a man they all agree. that Ukrainian entry into NATO is the. brightest of red lines that this is a. direct threat to Russia you cannot do.

this in the same way Jack Kennedy was. saying you cannot put missiles in Cuba. you cannot bring Ukraine into your. military Alliance that was Putin's POS. then this is what they were telling them. and three months after that memo that we. were just reading so this was in. February they had the buera summit where. NATO announced that Georgia and Ukraine. were coming into NATO and this is what. it's like our ambassador to Russia told. our secretary of state do not do this. and then they went we're just announcing.

that we're going to do it and 3 months. after that was the war in in Georgia. because they announced Georgia and. Ukraine were coming in and then Georgia. got ballsy because they felt like they. had the backing of the West and they. attacked a breakaway Province uh South. assessa and they had Russian. peacekeepers there and Vladimir Putin. responded that was like the first like. real response and he went to war with. Georgia over that and then uh you know. like the stuff we talked about last time. is when in 2014. um when there was the coup backed by the. West in Ukraine you know it's what I.

like about these segments too is like. people can argue with like this because. I know there are people arguing with me. the last time I was here if you remember. we played the video of Gideon Rose uh. just bragging about this and he was like. dude I'm it's not me these are that's. the CIA director's words that's Gideon. that's the editor of Foreign Affairs. magazine saying this like this is what. people in the government were saying and. uh like one more note that I'll say is. that Bill Clinton Secretary of Defense. he wrote about this in 2015 so this is. after the the coup in Ukraine the ma on.

Revolution and after uh Putin took. Crimea and he basically said that like. this is all my fault and that his. biggest regret was that he didn't resign. over NATO expansion he said I think he. said his biggest regret was that he. didn't like do everything he could to. stop it and that he didn't ultimately. resign over it because this was destined. to be like the future that it was like. you know people will say I know people. will argue with me on this and they'll. say like but like you know NATO is just.

a defensive Alliance so why should. Vladimir Putin care if you know we. expand this defensive Alliance and it's. like yeah it's a defensive Alliance. except for all the times it's not you. know except for all the times it fights. aggressive Wars like in Serbia or Libya. or Afghanistan other than that I guess. they claim it's a defensive Alliance but. from Vladimir Putin's perspective this. isn't a defensive voluntary Alliance. this is the European wing of the. American Empire the most war-hungry. country in the world who's started seven.

wars in the last 20 years and. slaughtered millions of people like from. his perspective when you put dual use. rocket launchers in Poland that's not. like we're just trying the the official. uh uh reason is we're just trying to. make sure that Iran can't nuke Europe. with the nukes that they don't have but. from Putin's perspective he's like no. you're trying to cut down on the time it. would take for a nuclear weapon to hit. Moscow and so like again it's not that. Putin's a good guy because he's not it's. not that he's justified in invading uh.

Ukraine he's not and all the stories of. like horrible [ __ ] that he you've heard. that he's done there he's probably done. a lot of them but man it's just that All. These Guys these same dumb neocons who. had this policy to remake the Middle. East they're the same ones who also had. the policy to expand NATO all the way to. Russia's border and man was just this. just the dumbest most Reckless policy. ever that's now put us in a position. where we are closer to a risk of World. War I and nuclear war than we've ever.

been in my life and for what for what to. make sure that the donbass region is. ruled by Kiev rather than Moscow like is. that really worth. it Jesus. Christ and you know what I didn't. consider until this all broke out when I. started looking at the borders of Russia. you know when when people are explaining. why this is so important and why control. of Crimea and why control of all these. places is so important once you look. at the what used to be the Soviet Union.

you realize like oh the there's all. these countries that are connected to. them people can just invade anywhere the. United States has a very unique position. in the world the North America's. position in the world just where we are. separated by oceans right up until these. Hypersonic weapons that was a barrier it. was a huge barrier like to and it's. still a barrier to Conventional you know. like War. right but we I don't think we really. have to worry about that now we have to. worry about wild [ __ ] we you this is.

what freaks me out about this whole UFO. thing I wonder how many of those [ __ ]. things that we're seeing is a government. who's reached some form of technology. that we don't we're not aware of yet. yeah and how many of them are ours and. how many of them are China's how many of. them are Russia do those exist I don't. know I mean if they exist I would I. would think China more than anyone you. know CU they their technological. capabilities are [ __ ] so high level. but I think Russia's put a lot into that.

stuff also so I don't know you know I. don't know that's I mean Putin claims. like he's developed like all of these. crazy you know what I mean things over. the last few years that that's really. what that basically he said that once. once uh NATO kept expanding so much that. they left him no choice but to develop. faster and crazier missiles and. different Technologies and it's just. like um you know it's it's weird because. I've heard a lot of people I've heard. people on this show and on lots of other. shows say that the big concern they have. is Vladimir Putin winning the war taking.

all of Ukraine or just keeping the parts. that he wants or something like that and. that then he might be like oh hey I can. get away with it I'll take Poland or. whatever now that to me seems very. far-fetched like he's having enough. trouble just taking Ukraine I really. doubt he's moving on Poland next but. it's like okay I I understand kind of in. theory where where that concern is but. what about the concern if he loses. loses like what if he's humiliated on. his own border and Russia's Russia is.

completely destroyed and humiliated what. if like what like he's attacked within. Russia what then what if he's convinced. that he's done and he's going to be. overthrown or he's going to die to me. that's actually the most dangerous. scenario because really nobody's. probably going to launch the first. nuclear strike unless they're already. convinced they're dead anyway you know. what I mean and then it's like all right. you're going to take me out I'm bringing. you with me type deal and to me that's.

the biggest concern what you want to. find here is like an offramp where. everyone can save face a little bit you. know what I mean like everyone can go. home and tell their own people like we. did the job you know like like a. justification somehow and it really it's. it's got to involve like negotiating. some type of compromise and you know. what if he does get overthrown and. Russia becomes a failed state that's a. pretty dangerous scenario too imagine. Russia becomes like Libya cuz when they.

overthrew morar Gaddafi Libya fell apart. yep Libya's H they have openair slave. markets where you can auction slaves off. you could watch them on. YouTube the Libya is terrifying well. it's that's why it's it's so crazy that. because you'll hear people like um you. know like Lindsey Graham and and like. idiots like that will talk about like if. Putin's overthrown like almost like it's. a given that things are better then. you're like how even if it didn't go to. like a failed State like Libya like how. do you know it's not just like a far.

worse right-wing dictator who comes up. and takes over you know what I mean like. why is it's not if there's one thing. we've learned from the 20th and 21st. centuries it's like sometimes you can. overthrow a government and it can be. much worse than the one that you. overthrow you know we governments were. overthrown after World War I in Russia. and Germany yeah and then then came in. Lenin Stalin and Hitler right like it. can get a lot worse even if it's not. Gaddafi you know failed State typee deal. um which is also much worse um but you. could you could be looking at something.

you know that's far worse than what we. have right now but isn't it amazing that. that's taken place so many times and yet. we still have this idea that. overthrowing them or getting rid of our. enemy is that's the solution to the. problem yeah it's uh well it's. unbelievable even the [ __ ] Game of. Thrones Kings handle it better yeah yeah. they really. I mean they [ __ ] got together and. worked [ __ ] out just when Obama Obama. said that the greatest regret of his uh.

presidency was not thinking about what. would happen the day after they. overthrew Gaddafi and you're like but. you didn't like we just did it in Iraq. you didn't that wasn't your thought like. you didn't you didn't think maybe go. crazy yeah this this could be have. journalists in Libya now I don't think. so I mean maybe I don't know I mean they. they've done a few pieces on like the. open air slave markets I haven't seen. anything in a few. who's running Libya I I don't think. anyone's running Libya Libya is like.

basically Waring tribes Jesus. Christ and the only way someone's going. to take control is the biggest warlord. that's usually how it goes and what are. their resources is it drugs Sudan. militants spark huge risk in lab with. samples of deadly viruses oh terrific. wonderful terrific we just happen to. have deadly viruses laying around where. there's a Revolution you know it's. interesting if you go back and read. these guys uh like I was I was talking. about the uh project for New American.

Century have you you heard of those that. that before was T yeah a think tank in. the 90s um it fueled a lot of if you uh. the the 911 conspiracy guys like even. some of the Kookie guys it fueled a lot. of them because it was basically this uh. it was a think tank uh it's founding uh. signatures were like the Bush. Administration it was all the neocons in. the 9s who were out so it was a um uh. Robert Kagan and you know like uh Bill. Crystal and and Dick Cheney and um you.

know like all the W Paul wolo all the. kind of like neocons who ended up taking. power in George W Bush's uh. Administration and they laid out their. plans for what they wanted to do and one. of their plans involved overthrowing. Saddam Hussein in Iraq and and fighting. multiple Wars and uh and NATO expansion. in Europe and so the 911 conspiracy. theorists would jump on this and go aha. you know this is why they brought the. towers down just so they could get the. war in Iraq that they always wanted. whereas I think the simpler explanation. was just like they took advantage of the.

opportunity when it came and realized. they could get what they wanted but. regardless there's no debate they're on. record they wanted it back in the 90s. and one of the so basically what it's. about it's what the title is It's a. project for a New American Century and. they're like hey we're in the 90s here. the Soviet Union has fallen the 20th. century was the century of America and. now what's our plan for the next Century. what's the what's the plan for the New. American Century and they actually say. in one of the most famous policy papers. it's really something to say is they go.

look um we have no real threat to our. Vital interests right now there are no. real threats to America uh our dominance. right now and so what we need to do is. fight Wars in multiple theaters so we. need to go and now show our dominance to. the rest of the world and so they're. they're actually saying if you read. between the lines not that much they're. like we don't need to fight a war but. let's go fight him let's go fight him. anyway and this is what happens they won. like all the wise people in government.

who were opposed to them lost and all. the dumb George W Bush's and Joe Biden's. won and they got their way and we living. through the results of it and you're. like oh great isn't this wonderful do. you remember when that General was it. West Wesley Clark Wesley Clark That's. Right Wesley Clark um told this reporter. in this interview that like find that. interview cuz it's so so fascinating you. said uh five countries in seven years or. seven countries in years are we doing.

and you know I mean he's this decorated. General who's being presented with this. plan and uh let's play this because this. has not been discussed enough this can. never be discussed enough it can never. be discussed enough and it's also it's. all out there and you're not hearing it. you know and this is the the fact that. journalists aren't like putting this in. everyone's face this very information. that you're giving out today well the. good ones are to be fair I mean like the.

Glenn Greenwald and Aaron. mat taies they're doing a great job on. this stuff coincidentally all. independent yes and coincidentally all. uh vilified by The Establishment and. weren't independent initially and these. these guys have all had to stick to. their principles and and leave to listen. to this CU this is very [ __ ] Wild. about 10 days after 9/11 I went through. the Pentagon and I saw secretary. Rumsfeld and and deputy secretary woltz.

I went downstairs just say hello to some. of the people on The Joint staff who. used used to work for me and one of the. generals called me and he said sir you. got to come in you got to come in and. talk to me a second I said well you're. too busy he said no no he says we've. made the decision we're going to war. with Iraq this was onor about the 20th. of September I said we're going to war. with Iraq why. he said I don't. know he said I guess they don't know. what else to.

do so uh I said well did they find some. information collect connecting Saddam to. al- Qaeda he said no no he says there's. nothing new that way they just made the. decision to go to war with Iraq he said. I guess it's like we don't know what to. do about terrorists but we got a good. military and we can take down. governments and um he said I guess if if. the only two you have is a Hammer every. problem has to look like a. nail so I came back to see him a few. weeks later and by that time we were.

bombing in Afghanistan I said are we. still going to war with Iraq and he said. oh it's worse than that he said he. reached over on his desk he picked up a. piece of paper he said I just he said I. just got this down from upstairs meeting. the secretary defense's office today and. he said this is a memo that describes. how we're going to take out seven. countries in five years starting with. Iraq and then Syria Lebanon Libya. Somalia Sudan and finishing off. Iran Sudan yeah and you know I mean.

they've they haven't it's not like that. plan was followed perfectly to a te but. a lot of it sure was and it's pretty. crazy to see him by the way I don't. think he needed to grab Amy Goodman's. piece of paper there which was a weird. thing like he goes he goes let they. showed me a piece of paper just like. this and just takes her paper she's like. she like you could have just told the. story without like you didn't really. need that like visual aid yeah why did. you you see like on her face for a. second she's like that's all my notes. and stuff is on there like I have all my.

next questions anyway that's a point. piece of paper just like this one it's a. weird thing like like uh it's a very. like military guy type thing to do. though this weird kind of alpha like. kind let me just take your [ __ ] right. here and show you up here anyway but. it's pretty it's like insane that this. was just said and that's not just like. like if we didn't have such a corrupt. press how do they not talk about that. every day every day like why does that. never come up oh like oh as we fought. all of these wars no one went but this. is exactly what I heard Mr fourstar.

General tell me was your plan and you've. never come to the American people and. said this is my plan you're just like so. and what's really interesting about it. right is it just reveals this prop like. the way propaganda works because if you. think about it we start fighting the war. in Afghanistan we're in the war in. Afghanistan by late 2001 um it's not. till 2003 we're in Iraq right and then. it's not till uh 2010 that we're in. Libya 2012 we're in Syria you know and.

then then in Yemen then in all the and. it's like each time they had their own. little propaganda story for why we had. to go into this war now and you're like. no [ __ ] this was always planned. you decided in 2001 you were doing this. so don't tell me this is because Gaddafi. is about to go genocidal or because. Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. or because uh Bashar Al Assad is is K. killing his own people it's like no no. no no this is just your latest little. excuse now for the war that you already. wanted to do and that's how this [ __ ].

really works man it's like they they. decide they want to fight these wars. then they make up a [ __ ] excuse that. they tell the American people then these. weapon companies rake in hundreds of. billions of dollars in profits and. babies get slaughtered like that's what. really happens like innocent men women. and children die get exploded to death. starve to death get displaced like it's. just the most evil [ __ ] in the world and.

we want to think of ourselves as the. good guys well that's and that's by the. way that's the essence of my point with. the whole thing in Ukraine too is that. it's like I'm not because people go like. oh you're spreading you know Russian. propag like my loyalty is to Vladimir. Putin or something like that ridiculous. but it's like no it can you at least. even if you support the war in Ukraine. let's say you're like we have to. continue this proxy war of choice in. Ukraine we have to fund Ukraine all way. to the end fine can you at least. acknowledge that our politicians are the. biggest Hypocrites in the [ __ ] world.

when they say things like Vladimir. Putin's a war criminal Vladimir Putin. invaded a Sovereign Nation like come on. man did you ever see by the way and I'm. again it's just it's pretty entertaining. to me but uh Vladimir Putin he on he. gave two speeches I think when he first. uh invaded in 2022 um but he did one. where he like ran down the list of. presidents and he did one where he was. uh like he needled Bill Clinton for his. war in Serbia and he was like a he goes.

well there's a there's an ethnic. minority being oppressed so we have to. go to war right Bill Clinton and then he. goes we got to check out about weapons. of mass destruction right George W bush. and then like kind of like went down the. list of and the point he's essentially. making and he's kind of right about it. and he's like you have no leg to stand. on to tell me that I can't do this yeah. I can't violate international law so you. guys sure can so why the hell can I and.

and that doesn't mean he's justified in. doing it it means like really n none of. them are Justified but the level of. hypocrisy that America thinks we're in. any position to lecture anyone about war. but isn't it fascinating that as long as. the people are in a place that we don't. have a lot of familiarity with and as. long as the people speak a language that. we don't understand and we can't read it. seem seems like less is going on in some. strange way like if the United States.

did what it did to any of these other. countries it did to England yeah imagine. that imagine if there was some propped. up [ __ ] reason why they needed to. invade. England holy [ __ ] [ __ ] would that be. wild yeah because then you would have. people that speak the same language. talking about this going what the [ __ ]. is going on yeah look the same skinn. you know what I mean especially England. because England is similarly diverse.

right it would be everybody you you'd. see everybody you'd be like what is. going on like and you would hear from. them they would be able to talk in a. language you clearly understand all the. newspapers would reflect their positions. and the crazi where that like in Sudan. or in any other place any place we we we. need someone needs to interpret it for. us right right and just well just like. imagine if like we fought crime here. with drone bombs or something like that. like they were like oh there's a drug.

dealer in this building he's a suspected. uh killer and so we're just going to. bomb the building you know they're. starting to use robots yeah yeah I mean. not not the bombs yet but they're. starting to deploy robots to fight crime. in America this is literally a [ __ ]. Terminator movie yeah it's pry sh crazy. that we're ever going to allow them to. use robots to fight crime like what are. you [ __ ] talking about like what are. you talking about like first of all You.

Don't Know Jack [ __ ] about whether or. not those things could be hacked whether. someone can take control of it if it's a. computer there's someone out there. smarter than you they could probably. figure out a way to take over that thing. well and the crazy thing is that you. know there's um which is a major um push. from the Biden Administration Glenn. Greenwald just did a a video on this the. other day it's really fantastic um but. this has been a major push from the. Biden Administration since he first but. even before he took office just after. the election in 2020 that this is their.

their new thing is like a domestic war. on terrorism that the big threat that. they're worried about is domestic. terrorism which is a very loose uh they. worried about is someone trying to. oppose them yes that's it's there's kind. of this war on dissidence and it's very. creepy that the same people who pushed. for these wars in the Middle East are. now the ones. oh yeah and we need to and they're. calling it the same thing they're saying. we need to bring what we had over there.

right here they're calling you domestic. terrorists it's the Department of. Homeland Security that was created in. the name of the war on terrorism this is. now going to focus on you know this this. problem we have here at home which is. like again it's just like the fact like. you what you were saying like Okay if. they did this to England or if they did. this to Chicago or whatever it would be. so much more blatant to us you know but. it's like they do it to. or they do it to Somalia that just. doesn't seem quite as real but you're. like but those people who were okay.

doing that there don't be so comfortable. that they won't do that to you too it's. like if somebody uh um you know if there. was like someone who had like you know. uh like attacked kids and then you were. like yeah but they did that over in a. different neighborhood I'm letting them. babysit my kids today you like I mean. you know I know it was a different. neighborhood where they spoke a. different language but like that. person's comfortable killing kids like I. don't think you want them anywhere. around your kids and like that's kind of. what we've got with these people in our.

government like they're comfortable. making decisions where innocent people. die and die by the millions like if you. add up the death toll of all the wars. it's in the millions somewhere in the. range of two to four million let's just. let's just go with Vietnam go with. Vietnam because that's one that's. provable that we got in under false. pretenses y That's leg. I think 2 million uh Vietnamese and and. uh something like that died I don't I I.

double check me on that but it's a lot. and that's a war that everybody opposed. yep or so well a lot of people a lot of. a lot of people. opposed and now everybody opposes it's. nobody thinks it was a good idea yes. well it's kind of like the war in Iraq. now you know like everybody kind of even. John McCain wrote in his Memoir like uh. whoopsie yeah you know he but that's. kind of what is did you see the Tucker. Carlson interview on full send uh yes I. saw um I didn't watch the entire thing.

but I saw a few clips of it when he's. talked about uh how much he regrets. supporting the war in Iraq as we. referring to yeah yeah and I believe him. I think he really means it I believe him. to sometimes you know sometimes there's. people like there's like John McCain. types who go like you know they'll or. Hillary Clinton they'll admit okay it. was a mistake but then they still. support every subsequent war after that. and they don't it doesn't see whereas. Tucker is like I'm so ashamed that I. supported this I'll never forgive myself. for it and has opposed every subsequent. war after that and I'm like okay I think.

this guy really believes it he's. different than people want to pretend he. is first of all the guy was a dead head. yeah you know that he used to follow the. dead around yeah so for sure dropped. acid I that'd be my guess I would how. how else can you enjoy the music I I. think it's legally required that you. take can ask it at least once if you're. going to enjoy the Grateful Dead I'm not. sure I don't know I haven't brushed up. on the stat alive to LSD according to my.

friends who been there and done that. it's it's really interesting what the um. the public perception of Tucker Carlson. is or or particularly how uh polarizing. he is to people that it's almost it's. almost like you're they describing a. different person than he actually is um. I really I think he was the most. interesting person in cable news the. most thoughtful most intelligent like he. was really he um I don't agree with him.

on anything you know on my uh on my. podcast we used to do a segment or it. was just it was I had just done it so. many times that we started joking about. it being a segment that we called Contra. Carlson because I was just disagreeing. with him like he had all these economic. ideas that I completely disagree with. and I disagree with a lot of stuff he. said but he was like such a like the the. lone voice in like really the corporate. press who was completely opposed to the. military IND industrial complex.

completely opposed to Big Pharma and all. of the covid insanity was really good on. like speaking up about a lot of really. important issues issues that you would. think like a good leftist would at least. appreciate that he's good on that issue. you know and some some of them did this. is why he's the guy who's having Glenn. Greenwald on his show you know what I. mean he's the guy who's having Aaron M. and Jimmy door these aren't right. Wingers he's having like he's having lot. of left wiers and it was it was very. interesting he wasn't a partisan he. would be completely against the.

Republican party was viciously critical. of the Republican Party hates the. Republican establishment and even the. stuff I see I've seen so many people be. like um you know he was uh he bought. into Trump's uh claims that the election. was stolen and I'm like I don't know. dude do you watch him cuz I watched his. show and that's actually not he was the. guy he took a lot of heat from this from. right way ERS that immediately following. the election of 2020 he really. aggressively called out Trump's lawyers.

uh Rudy Giuliani and uh Sydney uh Powell. I think was the other one because they. were making claims about the Dominion. voting machines that they flipped. millions of votes and Tucker Carlson. went on his show and he goes okay if. this is true it's the biggest story in. the history of the United States of. America so what evidence do you have and. he's like we have reached out privately. to to the Trump's lawyers we've gotten. nothing in return so to be clear they're. making this claim and providing nothing.

to back it up he really was like no no. now what he has said later is they'll be. like they'll pull quotes and be like. yeah but he referred to uh 2020 as a. scam or something like that and it's. like yeah but you don't watch his show. so you don't get that like what he was. saying was yeah the Dominion vote. flipping thing is [ __ ] no one's ever. provided any evidence of that but the. fact that big Tech and the intelligence. a gencies work together to undermine the. hunter Biden story to get Joe Biden. across the finish line is [ __ ] like.

that's you know what I mean that's a. scam and he's that's a completely. reasonable position to take again it's. just you know like look at this dude Don. Lemon is out at CNN right I promise you. whoever replaces Don Lemon has the same. exact views as Don Lemon and the same. exact views of everybody else at CNN and. that's not true for Tucker Carlson right. like there's at least there was a guy. out there who like would disagree with. the with uh the rest of the people at. his Network yeah disagree with both. political parties he's really designed.

for the internet I hope I hope he goes. there he's going to unless they've paid. him off to like the I mean if I was a. person in a position of power and a a. wild card like Tucker Carlson got. released from Fox News and maybe Rumble. makes a deal with him or something like. that do you have any [ __ ] idea how. big that would be how big his show it. could make that that app it could make. that that platform I mean if Tucker. Carlson goes over there it would be. worth it for them to invest a.

considerable amount of money and but if. I was Fox News that's the last thing I. would want so I would make sure that we. have him locked up for the entire term. of some contract some no compete and pay. him off You' you'd be better off just. giving him the same amount of money he. made when he was on the. air him opposing you I wonder what he's. already under contract for you know what. I mean like already be some clause in. his contract that says you know if we. leave there's x amount of time I don't. know they're [ __ ] Fox News man.

they're smart they're not stupid it was. very shocking seeing him leave yes I was. I was surprised although in he one of. those things where like I was surprised. right away and then like two days later. I'm like how was he ever even there like. how this guy was on the 800 PM hour at. Fox News saying the CIA killed Kennedy. like how did how was that ever a real. thing you know like it's like it's. insane he was like it but what's crazy. to me is that like so many progressives. have like it's like it's like Invasion. of the Body Snatchers or something it's. like is this the real you man have you.

just been replaced with an NPC the 8800. p.m hour at Fox news is saying the CIA. killed Kennedy that's not interesting to. you that's not like some like I'm not. saying you have to agree with them on. everything but like that's not kind of. that's different than Bill O'Reilly yeah. that's a different this is a different. world we're living in now like this is. something that and um yeah it just seems. like kind of surreal now looking back at. it almost but I Bill O'Reilly did leave. and he went and started a podcast or. something I think I don't know yeah he's. got something I think the problem is his.

average viewer was like 86 years old a. podcast now was that yeah um getting. them to download an app good luck like. like I'm G to have to call my grandson. where is where is it and how does it. work I need to be angry is it just just. talking to like uh my like in-laws about. like scanning a document or something. like that I know let alone you know tell. how to download an app and listen to a. podcast I know your mom through one of. those.

things um yeah but uh you know but it is. I do think it's very interesting I'm. very interested to see what his uh his. next move is it's got to be the internet. he'd be crazy to do anything other well. there's nothing else I mean he's not. going to CNN he's not going back to CNN. or back to MSNBC by the way he used to. be on both of those uh networks I know. but he got a lot better since he was on. those networks and they got a lot worse. yeah it was a different time when he was. on those networks I mean there was a. video that was just uh released who is.

he interviewing is he interviewing. Britney Spears I. think like from 20 years ago it's like. you're you're watching this young Tucker. Carlson with a bow tie on CNN like wow. this is kind of crazy I think him and. Rachel M used to like uh have like a. friendly back and forth like they. disagree but it was like totally. friendly when they were both on MSNBC. together and it like like what it was. you look at it now you're like wow what. a different world that those two could. even be in the same room together but I. think that that what happened is it just.

the internet is it is it when people get. together in these Echo Chambers and they. reinforce each other's ideas to the. point where anybody that opposes that. it's just the enemy it's just some. tribal thing that just automatically. happens when people are out allowed to. gather in large groups like they do on. social media I think that certainly. plays a role um a major role um I think. that there's also like I think the thing. kind of came unglued like the.

establishment kind of came unglued um I. think the the the George W Bush. Administration um the wars in the. financial crisis really set into motion. like a bad dangerous thing where it. almost. like there I think there was like an. effort to distract away from the like I. think there were powerful people who. wanted to distract away from how much. the powerful people had [ __ ] over the.

country and then they there was kind of. like this effort to pit people against. each other and then I think it was very. easy for people to fall into that and. just get very very Tribble and very very. isolated I also think there was like. this knee-jerk reaction from. journalists to not confront their own. obvious failure like in that they hadn't. really been reporting on the things that. actually you know what I mean like. imagine there was this like ticking Time. Bomb like the subprime mortgage you know. uh uh crisis and you were just oblivious.

to it right and you've been reporting on. all these stories and you weren't. reporting on the time bomb that was. about to blow up on the working class in. America so now what do you report. on racism you know it's oh this the. problem is that this other guy is lying. to you and and when Trump got elected. which I think very much was a reaction. to a lot of that stuff um I think that. then. it was like that's when it really all. fell apart because the media it it was. so obvious that this guy who you were.

telling everyone well this guy can't. possibly win and no one cares about what. he has to say and then tens of millions. of people did care about what he had to. say and voted for him it was like their. failure was that much more exposed and. so they just had to snap into like other. explanations for what happened here now. it's not that we failed on the job for. 30 years it's that Russia and racism and. misinformation and like all of this. stuff um but I do think in a lot of ways.

it was a concerted effort you ever see. that um uh that. cartoon which it's like a a banker in. like his corner office and outside his. window is all the Occupy Wall Street. people protesting and he's on the phone. and he says introduce them to Identity. politics you know like I not say I don't. know if it went down exactly that way. but I think that cartoon's getting at. something like I think there's a reason. I I just don't do you think the. government is that competent that they.

could brilliantly socially engineer. civilization that way I think a lot of. the private interests that own our. government are pretty competent actually. you know I think the government works in. very sloppy ways but if you look at it. like if you look at it from the. perspective of say like you know locked. Martin and and fiser and companies. making you know hundreds of billions of. dollars in profits they're actually very. well you know like the system's working. very well toward that end and um I just. don't think it was completely organic. that after we had these disastrous Wars.

and a financial crisis and after you had. the tea party and the Occupy Wall Street. movement that all of a sudden on some. Grassroots level we were like we need to. have a national conversation about. chicks with dicks yeah like I don't. think that just happened you know what I. mean like I don't think that's like. every day that's what we got to talk. about now that's the new thing what is. the the Gent beautiful trans women I'm. sorry the trans I mean excuse me the uh. the Russian guy who used to work for the. KGB Yuri yes I know you're talking about.

what is his last name Jamie Ben. bonov he I know exactly who you're. talking about who gave the the the like. lectures on how the Soviet Union was. destroying America in the Next. Generation and he he talked about this. in. 1984 this was during the Soviet Union. time Yuri bov that's him Yuri bof gave a. speech describing. exactly America in 2023 describing how. Russia had eroded the Soviet Union had.

eroded all of our institutions and. gotten in there and implanted ideas of. Marxism and reinforce these ideas and. that this was undoubtedly going to lead. to the demise of America there's the way. but the way he lays it out it's it's. compelling and there's definitely a lot. of things that kind of happened exactly. like he said they would happen um and. it's not you know it's all it's kind of. evolved it's not really like traditional.

Marxism is kind of dead no one's really. advocating for like government ownership. of the means of production it's more now. it's just kind of like it's really like. corporate control of government with. this weird like what they call cultural. Marxism which I don't like the term. because it means different things to so. many different people but the idea that. like Marx had this economic view that. everything all of human history was a. class struggle between like the. oppressor class and the oppressed class.

and if you like applied that to cultural. issues that's it's like describes. wokeism to a t yeah that everything can. be reduced to like white black straight. gay CIS trans men women like it's like. everything is like the oppressor class. versus the oppressed which is such a. shallow stupid way of analyzing anything. it's just it's there's so much more to. reality than that simplistic way of.

looking at things but it's so attractive. to people which is really fascinating. and that was what Yuri had described in. the speech and how it would become how. would Captivate people it's just I don't. want to believe you here's an. interesting thing about something like. that like even though we're saying. everything he described seems to be. happening right now he describes wokeism. to describe what's happening in this. country to a I still have an Impulse an. undeniable impulse to reject it like no.

they didn't do that no they're not that. smart no that's not what happened. there's a part of me for whatever weird. reason and I think everybody has this. part of them that doesn't want to. believe that something's happening while. it's happening there's a thing that's. going on right now because we're so. accustomed to being able to do what we. do we're so ACC customed to be able to. drive to work and do this and hang out. with your family and go out with your. friends we're so accustomed to this we. don't imagine a world despite all of the.

evidence of History you could go see the. Coliseum in Rome you could go see the. the Acropolis and the Parthenon you can. go see all of these great Empires that. no longer exist there's just stone. structures where these people used to. rule the [ __ ] world but in our mind. that was then and right now everything's. amazing and we're perfect and if we. could just get a trans President we. could [ __ ] solve this like we we are.

we believe in the moment we we can't. look at the vast amount of data that. shows up that shows us the same patterns. of behavior that humans are exhibiting. right now have led to disastrous. consequences in the collapse of. civilizations and it's so easy when you. look at those past civilizations to be. like how did you guys not see it coming. I mean it's all around you like how are. you not completely you know there's so. many examples like right it's very easy. to and I have the same impulse it's very.

easy to look in the past and be like. wait there was slavery and you were just. like okay with it like you weren't. against that every single day and then. you're just like now we of course down. the road is a state prison there's a. bunch of people there for weed but. that's totally different you know what I. mean like it's like I don't know in a. hundred years if that all got cleaned up. you'd look back at that with the exact. same view you'd be like you enslaved. people for like [ __ ] people are. writing about it on their phones which. are literally made by slaves it's like. there's right there's like all of this. stuff right around you but if you try to.

zoom out and you try your best to be. disinterested and just analyze and you. go okay so what are where are we right. now at the United States of America so. we are a republic that turned into an. Empire got expanded all over the world. something I think 700 something bases in. 135 different countries trying to rule. the entire world through the process of. doing that we've spent ourselves $30. trillion into debt and now we see. massive cultural Decay into just like.

decadence yeah what's that story if. that's not a crumbling Empire I don't. know what a crumbling Empire is I hear. the America [ __ ] yeah song in the. background that's what I hear. America [ __ ] yeah come those guys are. great dare you is there anything better. that movie was so great dude where they. go over and just like destroy the whole. place and they be like you're. welcome one of the greatest movies of.

all time so great so great it's Fu that. in the South Park movie the South Park. movie when Saddam Hussein has a sexual. affair with. Hitler oh no it was the devil Excuse me. yes yes was Hitler in that too no it was. Satan it was Satan and Saddam Hussein. and Satan's like the sub Satan's the. that's right and then there was real. dicks they they could show a photo of a. real dick somehow or another yeah they. always figured out a way to do it. they're so on point dude throughout the. years they've always just been so on.

point it's the best show the of all time. it's the best comedy show of all time by. far you know I just introduced my. 12-year-old to it the other day and. she's Blown Away 12 is a good age yeah. I'm like it's a perfect age I'm like she. hears me talk like I'm not very filtered. you know I always tell them don't say. bad words around adults and other people. be respectful but they're just words. yeah what I'm worried about is your. feelings I'm worried about what is your. intent it's not what I'm not worried. about is words I'm just at the age my my. daughter is four at my my son is one and.

I'm just at the age now where I'm. starting to hear some of the words that. I say coming back out and you're like ah. so that's going to be the next chapter. when my daughter was three my youngest. daughter was three we were skiing and uh. we were leaving the uh hotel we packed. all our stuff up and uh my wife realized. she goes um I got to pack the uh the. helmet in like this one bag and my. three-year-old goes.

[ __ ] and me and my wife look at each. other go oh no oh no you're like all. right it's so funny too cuz like she was. a side too was a side [ __ ] like [ __ ]. just so real like she wasn't like trying. to say a bad word it's just she knew. that's the word you say somebody [ __ ]. up and forgot to put the helmet in the. bag it's everything's packed in stuff in. [ __ ] dude so funny cuz you have like. this life right where you're like so. you're like with your wife when you're. just a couple before you have kids and. you're just a couple you know you say.

whatever you want and then even when you. have little babies it's like it's just. not even a thing and then right around. that age where you go ah so we have we. have something to confront here there's. two paths number one I can try to watch. my mouth and I'm like babe I'm going to. be honest with you very low percentage. chance that that works out well and the. other one is what you said where you're. just like okay let them understand it's. just a word but also let him know okay. look there's there's time in places. where you can't use these words my. parents were hippies you know my mother. and my stepfather were hippies so from.

the time I was like s years old they. told me you could say whatever you want. they were like just don't don't say it. at school don't no idea the monster they. were creating my mom actually talked. about the other night we were having. dinner she's like maybe I should have. set some. boundaries you can say whatever you want. to as big an audience as you want to. Little Joe Rogan yeah it was interesting. it was interesting growing up that way. because like that their perspective was. like everything that the establishment.

has created is wrong like this is not. the way to live you know that was the. whole hippie movement you my stepfather. like really long hair the whole thing. was very interesting to grow up that way. because you know from the time I was. seven I was like I was felt like an. outsider because I had moved a lot but. then also I had these parents that were. really open-minded. and very liberal and they just they they. were like this is all [ __ ] like when. I remember like being a child when the.

war in Vietnam ended I think I was like. 10 years old or something like that. thinking this is great now we're not. going to have wars anymore I thought I. really thought that man I really I. remembered that to and I remember being. blown away me and my friend Jimmy were. watching the uh Iraq war it was like. whatever year that was the first one the. first W 1991 91 that makes sense cuz uh. I was living with my friend Jimmy and uh. we had just come home from work and we.

were watching on TV and he looks at me. he goes what do you know we're at. [ __ ]. war and I was like what do you know. we're at [ __ ] War like this is real. like this is crazy like I thought we. figured this out I thought we weren't. doing this anymore and you know what's. so crazy about that first war in Iraq is. that cuz I remember I was a little kid a. very little I born in ' 83 so I was you. know eight uh when we first fought that. war but I was I remember being aware of. it I remember seeing the speech when. George HW Bush announced we were going. um and they the whole like all those.

same neocons who later went to project. for New American Century they were all. in the George HW Bush Administration and. then they went into his son's. Administration and they all said that. they had conquered Vietnam syndrome as. they called it you see from their. perspective uh the country had this this. terrible Vietnam syndrome after Vietnam. meaning that people didn't really want. to fight Wars they had this attitude. that like we shouldn't fight Wars.

because they can be really bad but see. now George HW Bush This hero he uh he he. conquered that because they showed how. easy the war was look we fought a war. now it's so easy because America's so. powerful we just stormed right in there. minimal loss of life on our side uh very. few casualties on the American side what. toppled it right in there you know let. Saddam Hussein stay in power but easy. peasy that war is over and 30 years. later we still have a military presence. in Iraq that's how easy that war was is.

that all of these years later the war. and the war continued through Clinton. not technically a war but a full. blockate of the country bombing. campaigns massive sanctions tons of. people dying I don't know exactly how. much the UN had a study um which I think. is [ __ ] but they said 500,000. children had died from starvation and. nutrition during the sanction campaign. in the 9s I saw someone I don't exactly. remember but I saw someone make an. argument for why their estimations were.

wrong and the study wasn't right so. anyway he was arguing and it seemed. pretty compelling it seems like oh that. actually sounds right that they were. like counting the wrong way kind of um. so it probably wasn't 500,000 but maybe. it was 100,000 whatever it was like. children just starving due to this. blockade and it was also one of the main. things that really pissed off Osama Bin. Laden radicalized him against uh America. it was one of his stated Grievances and. his declaration of war on America. because we kept we kept the bases in. Saudi Arabia to you know uh enforce the.

blockade around Iraq and he was like. okay so you have your bases in our Holy. Land to starve other Muslims to death. and that pissed off a lot of people over. there um but yeah that war man that war. which they sold it as like look what an. easy Victory it was in many ways really. locked us into a a war for de decades I. remember the first casualties when a. scud missile uh hit those soldiers I. remember that was like shocking yeah.

that a a certain number of people had. died like that we were. so we we we had given into this idea. that it would be just they would storm. it and that's it and once that narrative. got set like oh the United States is. just wiping out the Army like there's. there is no Army it's a joke the whole. thing's a joke they're like no one's. going to die and then when people did. die you're like whoo but then it becomes. normal it becomes normal it becomes the. idea of losing soldiers becomes normal.

and then all these other military. actions start happening yeah and then. 9/11 happens and then the big ones. happen and then it becomes normal for us. and then you're not allowed to take. photographs of coffins anymore remember. those yeah couldn't they they didn't. allow journalists to take photographs of. flag draped. offin which is what is that what is that. I mean we until this Ukraine war like.

the Ukraine war you you're seeing cell. phone footage right of War atrocities. you're seeing cell phone footage of PE I. saw a guy get killed with a hammer they. killed a guy with a. sledgehammer you're seeing people get. shot in foxholes at close range you're. seeing like HD footage of this stuff. it's War be becomes very abstract to. people who haven't experienced it I. think it's it's hard to even believe or. wrap your head around like it's so hard.

it's hard to even think that like in. that in a a society where we me we have. the technology that me and you are. sitting in this room and we're also. speaking to like millions of people and. we'll you know go to a shop and buy. something and get lunch and then we'll. go do comedy tonight and someone will be. like oh great sh thank you very much. it's just like a civilized societ. that we still just have mass murder spre. where we just agree like we're going to. go like we haven't figured out a. different way to settle these disputes.

it's it's like it's hard to actually. believe and like and it's it's uh it's. hard and certainly for me I don't think. anyone's completely capable who hasn't. seen it and certainly that applies to me. of like really understanding what that. is um but it's bad and it's just like I. don't know it just I can't like I can't. believe more people aren't just you know. Fiona hell had I think I talked about. this last time I was on but uh Fiona. hell who uh she again this is in foreign. affairs magazine not like the not like.

Ron Paul weekly you know what I mean. like I think Ron Paul's the greatest. hero ever but I'm saying this isn't like. what the Kookie Libertarians say like me. this is like Fiona Hill in foreign. affairs magazine she was the one who. reported that they had a peace deal. worked out basically you know in pencil. not in pen but like in in principle they. had a peace deal worked out and that. Boris Johnson as a representative of the. West went over there and convince zinsky. not to. negotiate not to negotiate don't you. give him one inch it's like they want. and this is what it seems like for real. it seems like they want this war they.

want to prolong it to bleed the Russians. dry that's their plan damn and you're. like Jesus man but why wouldn't they be. that evil I mean why wouldn't they be. that evil when they're that evil. everywhere else that's what's [ __ ] up. it's hard for us to think that's a fact. yeah it's it's hard for us to when. you're going about your day just hanging. out in New York and [ __ ] visiting. your favorite coffee shop it's hard to. believe that you're a part of that yeah. well it's in one of the things that's. like I guess it's like after a while.

like one of the things that helps me. understand this is like you look at. people in their track record is that we. have a very short attention span you. know as a country but it's like you look. at so one of the absolute best people on. the war in Russia Ukraine people really. want to learn about this stuff is uh. John mimer who is the dean of the. realest School of foreign polic like a. world-renowned scholar this guy is not. again not a non-interventionist. Libertarian like me just like a scholar. who's like talks about foreign policy.

and stuff and he's written and spoken. extensively about Ukraine Russia and he. was one of the big opponents of this. whole uh policy and meanwhile so after. the you know after the government was. overthrown the one that Gideon Rose was. so happy about when we stole Ukraine. away we stole Robin from Batman Victoria. nuland and Gideon Rose and all of those. people who are pushing for this policy. they all said this is wonderful Ukraine. is choosing to join the liberal World. Order and they're choosing democracy and.

hope and everything's going to be. wonderful for them their country is. going to flourish and John mimer said. and his quote was it was an lecture he. gave in. 2015 uh he said America is leading. Ukraine down the prim Rose Path and. which uh I didn't understand what that. means exactly but it sounds real good. but what it means basically is like. we're leading you down this beautiful. path that ends in your demise and that. basically we were encouraging them to. play tough with the Russians and it's.

like don't worry you got America's got. your back you know it's like you it's. like you convincing some dude who. doesn't know how to fight like go fight. this guy because like I got your back. and they're like oh okay well Joe. Rogan's a black belt he's got my back. I'll go [ __ ] fight this guy and then. when you fight the guy you're like well. I'm not going to like jump in the fight. with you but like I'll yell instructions. to you while you're in the fight you're. like throw him in an arm bar and they're. like what's an arm bar you know I'm like. just get it so we like LED them down. this path and so like okay what maybe.

you don't agree but like whose. prediction was better John mimer or you. know Gideon Rose who who was who. predicted what was happening here better. the guy who said this was going to be. disaster for Ukraine or the guy who said. yayman we're we're stealing Robin away. haha we distracted you Putin with the. Olympics it's like oh that distraction. didn't uh work very well well um and so. it's just like it's it's horrible like. but that's kind of that's one of the the. things you know one of the things that's. so interesting about this this war too.

is like when people will defend it you I. almost want to ask. people so what if this war is so. necessary it's so necessary for us to. arm them why shouldn't we intervene. militarily why why isn't America's. military going into Ukraine why aren't. we invading Russia why aren't we at. least occupying Ukraine and forcing we. certainly have the conventional forces. to force Russian's army out of there no. problem so why aren't we doing that and. the reason we're not doing that is. because everyone knows oh we can't do. that cuz that's nuclear war that's.

nuclear war in a certainty so you're. like okay so that's nuclear war so no. one that's off the table Biden's not. even suggesting that but so then what. does it go from like a certainty of. nuclear war to what's the risk of. nuclear war if we're just fighting a. proxy war and giving them hundreds of. billions of dollars and pledging till. the end that will drive Russia out well. the risk doesn't go to zero you know. what I mean it goes to something maybe. less but it's still something but we're. still terrifying still way more than we.

should be willing to take yeah if. Vancouver got armed by the Russians and. you were then Vancouver was uh attacking. Seattle yeah like what do you think. would happen no everyone know I mean. everyone knows what would happen America. would start blowing [ __ ] up like crazy. we would would go to war with the world. if anyone ever and look Jack Kennedy. [ __ ] said it right he literally said. that I mean literally but he basically.

said he said you put these missiles in. Cuba I will blow up the world I'm. treating this as a preemptive nuclear. strike on America if you do that get. those missiles the hell off of Cuba and. I think most people go yeah that's. reasonable you know like it's kind of. reasonable to say we cannot tolerate. Soviet nuclear warheads pointed at us. from a little island a few miles off our. Coast that's just like can't be and like. look we have a Monroe Doctrine Monroe. Doctrine says that America does not.

tolerate any far away power coming in. and interfering in our realm of. influence okay. and essentially what Vladimir Putin has. been saying for years was like well I. want a Monroe Doctrine for Ukraine like. I want a Monroe Doctrine for this part. of the world and that doesn't mean he's. a good guy and that doesn't mean that. that's a perfect system but at least. prior to invading Ukraine he had a point.

like he had a reasonable point to say I. don't want you interfering in my biggest. neighbor right here and a and a very. strategically important area to him dude. hold that thought I got a pee yeah all. right we're back um so the the the leak. document like what was your thoughts on. that cuz the whole thing was crazy that. this guy had access to it that and I. guess he was showing it to his friends. or something is that what it was well it. seems that way you know a lot of people. kind of were uh were criticizing the guy.

and they they were kind of saying like. well look this guy's no Ed Snowden I. mean he didn't like take this to Glenn. Greenwald at the guardian to have him. vet through it and properly disclose it. he's like bragging to friends on a. Discord server or whatever and. essentially that seems right to me like. that does kind of seem like what. happened but again like that's not the. interesting story here the interesting. story isn't like what this guy's deal. was or what his motives were the story.

is like oh the government's lying to you. again and also that it's they have this. uh information that they claim is so. vital that it's so horrible he leaked it. and yet you're so reckless with it that. you know it's like it funny I remember. Glenn Greenwald making this point when. people would talk about uh like people. were at the National Security apparatus. or whatever would be talking about how. how Reckless it is that Snowden just. like gave all of this information out. and you're like well then weren't you. pretty reckless too because like if this. information's so vital you didn't even. know it was gone right they didn't even.

know it was gone until uh the guardian. published it and then they were like oh. I guess this guy took all of our. documents um what another what did the. documents say well just right before. that one of the the other real. interesting thing is that they came out. so a a couple days after uh the leak. first like was getting reported the um. Reuters had a piece an article uh where. they had three highlevel us officials.

under anonymity said that you'll never. believe this Joe it had all the. Hallmarks of Russian. disinformation and so isn't it just. amazing that they'll go and then like. two days later they completely gave up. on that and went let's just smear the. kid who did it you know like forget all. that stuff um there were some some. interesting uh Revelations from from the. documents things like uh they um there.

evidently there are NATO and US military. embedded in. Ukraine um like help assisting them. basically uh which is which is pretty. dangerous um Western Special Forces. operating inside Ukraine one document. dated 23 March refers to the presence of. a small number of Western special forces. operating inside Ukraine without. specifying their activities or location. the UK has the largest contingent 50. followed by lvia 17 France 15 and the US.

14 the Netherlands one Western. governments typically refrain from. commenting on such sensitive matters but. this detail is likely to be seized upon. by Moscow which has in recent months. argued that is not just confronting. Ukraine but NATO as well oh and and. essentially look this was the. um I think what when Putin ultimately. decided to invade Ukraine last year I.

think basically what he. concluded was that they did it they. brought Ukraine into NATO even though. Ukraine is not an official NATO country. at this point they backed the coup that. over through the Democratic uh the. democratically elected government under. yanukovich they poured weapons into the. country and they were doing um joint. training exercises with NATO and the. Ukrainian military and I think Vladimir. Putin was basically like we told them.

this was our brightest of red lines and. they crossed it and I got to do. something now I'm not saying he should. have done this there's other things he. could have done um there's lots of. things I mean I don't know exactly you. get creative but he could have cut off. all natural gas to Europe he could have. dropped a nuke in the ocean I mean he. could have done something before he did. this you know but he basically concluded. that Ukraine is is de facto a member of. NATO and if you look at the way we're. responding to this whole thing he's he's. kind of right I mean like we're backing.

them all the way because they were. invaded that's what we're supposed to do. to a NATO country you know um and so. this is bad that this comes out although. I got to say I'm surprised to some. degree how much uh you know they've I. mean nor if the nordstream bombing. didn't you know like do it I don't know. if just like some special forces being. embedded there is going to like you know. create some big escalation but um but. yeah this this is northstream bombing is. wild well look dude I mean there's been. in the last Trump predicted that Germany.

if they don't if they don't take steps. to stop this they're going to be. completely dependent upon Russian oil. and it was one of those things where. people were making fun of him at the. time like what are you talking about I. don't know I don't know if I completely. agree with Trump on that but there's. there's no question that but they are. dependent upon it now right because of. the nordstream pipeline blowing up well. not anymore it doesn't exist anymore uh. but I think that there's a lot of a lot. of people were a lot of very powerful.

people were very against the nordstream. pipeline right I have a different uh I. have a different view of it I think it's. it was great um but I you know there's. you think it was great yes why um. because the worst thing that's ever. happened in the history of the world was. Germany and Russia going to war and. World War II something like 30 million. people died just in that conflict it's. like the worst thing that's ever. happened in the history of the world and. so for them to be interconnected and.

interdependent which is how I would see. it trading you know like where Goods. cross borders armies don't have to that. old saying I think it would have been a. good thing for them to be together oh. look now you're directly incentivized to. not be enemies because you want the the. cheap natural gas and they want your. money for their cheap natural gas and so. I however there is there's a big. view um from like the neoconservatives. and the neoliberals the kind of. establishment that this is the scariest.

thing the scariest thing is that uh. Germany and Russia align um and I don't. know exactly if this is true but some. people like um um blanking on the guy's. name the guy who founded Stratford uh. fredman I believe it his name he. basically said that this is the. centerpiece of American foreign policy. since World War II that like the whole. idea of NATO is to like keep Germany in. and Russia out and that their biggest.

fear is that uh Germany and Russia would. unite against us and that that could be. the only thing that could really. challenge American power is like the. Ingenuity of Germany with the Manpower. and natural resources of Russia so. there's a lot of people who have been. against this from the very beginning um. no one would ever think of that today. like your average person today would. think maybe Germany and Russia could. unite again well you know it's the you. know what I mean like that's not but to.

th well to you know to some people look. the the. neoconservatives um who uh are and let. me say this delicately well let me. preface this I'm Jewish okay so let me. just say it that there's a there a lot. of Jewish people in the neoconservative. like movement and they're this is part. of the reason why they're very very. pro-israel um um it's also part of the. reason and I'll say somewhat. understandably while like it's a big. German Independence is a big concern to. them they still live with that kind of.

like this is the great fear that Germany. will rise again one day and like oh if. they're connected with Russia like this. oh they're not under the eu's thumb and. NATO's thumb anymore now they could. possibly go in a different direction so. for years there were a lot of people who. are against this um now when Ukraine uh. invaded. I'm sorry when Russia invaded Ukraine. they did turn off the pipe like like uh. Germany was boycotting so they weren't. using any of the gas from the pipe.

however they've also adopted all of. these crazy like climate policies and. like completely destroyed a lot of their. own internal energy sources like they've. denuclearized and all that stuff and so. I think the concern was that going into. winter what if there is pressure on them. to decide to turn these ppes on and that. this might be uh then Germany might. start you know siding with Russia or at. least if they're getting their natural. gas from Russia they're not going to be.

so harsh on on Russia and they're not. going to be so willing to play ball with. the EU and there's already you know like. a history of this like what I was. talking about before at the Bucharest. Summit in 2008 when they announced. Ukraine was going into um would would. eventually join NATO uh it was it was. Merkel was really against it they got. that in over her wishes so they're. already a little concerned that like. maybe Germany is not quite as. anti-russia as we are and so going into. the winter I think they were concerned.

there was going to be a strain on on. power in Germany and they might be. tempted to uh turn that that pipeline. back on and so they made sure it's uh as. Victoria nulan said a hunk of metal at. the bottom of the sea could you [ __ ]. imagine if sometime in the future we're. going to war with Germany and Russia. United against America yeah well I think. I I think what's much more of a concern. than that to me right now at least is. look at how crazy is this that over the. last year while this war has been going. on NATO has been attacked.

twice there was missiles in in Poland. and there was the nordstream bomb and. those are two attacks on NATO and yet. both of them didn't come from Russia you. know what I mean now if you remember do. you remember the story a few months back. so there was these missiles hit Poland. killed a couple people there zalinski. immediately said this was Putin and that. the West has to. respond and then eventually a couple. days later it came out it was actually. Ukraine they were like oh it was an.

accident that's what they say it's an. accident I mean who knows maybe it was. intentional to try to blame on Russia or. something like that but even saying it. was an accident okay they accidentally. attacked NATO and then the nordstream. pipeline which was clearly not Russia. like no that was what they said at first. oh this is Russia blew up their own. pipeline for why you saw the video of. Biden saying that they would do. something like that yeah they he. promised that it would happen yeah you. know which is just. wild the the whole thing is just it's.

all in front of our faces well it's an. act of industrial terrorism and like. environmental terrorism to do this and. you know saers reported and I trust that. guy a lot more than I trust most other. uh journalists and he reported that it. was America um even I think the New York. Times now concluded that they said it. was some Pro Ukrainian group and you're. like okay but that includes all of us. you do you see the the article in the. New York Times that said maybe we.

shouldn't know yeah yeah yeah yeah. that's great journalism right there we. don't know who it was the title was. literally something like we don't know. who blew up the nordstream pipeline and. that might be for the best or something. something along those lines it's like. you can't like I don't know you can't. make this [ __ ] up like really that is. such a crazy thing for a journal is to. write well I I mean I remember sometimes. you can just kind of like you know you. can just look at these things logically. like I remember um in. 2017 is when I was uh when I was still a. contributor on SC cup show and she was.

at uh. CNN and the the big story came out that. Assad had gassed his own people and I. remember right away and this is before. any any of those like OC PW. whistleblowers came out or anything like. that but just right away remember the. day after being on TV and just being. like I don't think he did this. and they're like how can you say that. everyone's saying he did this and you're. like well look at it it's like two weeks. ago Trump announced that we're leaving. Syria like we're withdrawing from Syria.

he won after this 5year bloody Civil War. where he's been fighting for his life to. not be momar Gaddafi he has just. announced that he won and so now you're. telling me for no strategic military. Advantage he just did the one thing that. will keep this war going and make can. maybe end up like marfi like that. doesn't make any sense I don't I'm not. buying this and then it did kind of come. out as these whistleblowers were like. yeah yeah it didn't come from the sky it. came from the ground and it was done in.

you know Rebel controlled territory and. like it this does not look like it was. Assad um but I remember when they first. it was like the same thing when they. first got we think Russia blew up their. own pipeline like but why why would they. like this just so you're telling me. Vladimir Putin just took away the option. that Germany might cave this winter and. want to buy his Natural Gas again why. would he do that and then of course it. comes out later like no that's not what. it was it was probably British. intelligence or uh some some us Allied. group if not directly us and so yeah.

that's pretty crazy it's pretty hard to. like look at that and still feel like. we're just the good guys yeah in this. war and again when I say we just for. everyone disclaimer for this entire like. those great Eminem lyrics I'm all for. America [ __ ] the government when I say. America did this or America's wrong I'm. not talking about you or your daddy or. your hometown or anything like that I'm. just talking about like Bill Clinton and. George W bush and Barack Obama and Dick. Cheney and Donald Trump and you know all.

of them Bill Clinton Jeffrey Epstein's. rapist friend that's who I'm talking. about turns out these guys aren't good. people it's so wild when you you if you. looked at us from outside of us and you. you looked at the human race and these. patterns that repeat themselves over and. over again you would Wonder like why. aren't they seeing these patterns like. why don't they recognize when these. things are happening as they've happened. to so many civilizations before like. what is it about watching everything.

erode before your eyes that's not. shocking enough to wake people up to. what's happening well it's sometimes I. think there's kind of like a pattern and. there's big forces at play that are hard. for individuals to get a hold of you. know like there's kind of this thing. where there's like. governments are power centers and. they're just there it's not just like in. the same way every business kind of.

wants to get bigger wants to have more. profit you want to have more listeners. to your podcast you want to have you. just kind of want more but the. government isn't in the in the market. it's not like oh I have to provide. something of value in order to get more. people voluntarily to listen to my show. or come to my business or something like. that they're in the game of take things. they're in the game of force you pay. your taxes or you go to jail you know. like this that's the government is a. monopoly on legal aggression like on.

force and so governments it's almost. impossible to stop them from just. getting bigger and bigger and bigger and. bigger and the bigger they get the more. corrupt things get and the more power. they have and it's almost like this. cycle you know where like if a. government is limited then the country. is prosperous because they have more. freedom and then the more prosperous. they are the more the government. has that they can leech off of and then. the government gets bigger and bigger. and bigger and it's almost like I don't. know what can happen to stop that cycle.

you know the thing that makes me. optimistic is that they really rely on. propaganda like they really need the. propaganda and they know it you know. they know they can't just like roll out. the vaccine mandates without a huge. propaganda campaign they got to convince. you and then try to get away with their. tyrannical policies and I do think that. the propaganda is being undermined more. than ever more than ever like it's. really really hard for them it'd be. really really hard for them to sell us.

on some next [ __ ] policy much harder. than it used to be and think about how. easy it was after 911 George Bush could. have done whatever he wanted to yeah. well that's how we got into Iraq yeah I. mean he had a blank check yeah everybody. was like take care of it y take care of. it y yeah I mean I remember feeling the. the strangest sense of patriotism. driving down the road and seeing. everybody with an American flag hanging. off their car people were all in yeah. dude I was 18 when 911 happened and I.

was living in uh Prospect Heights which. is like it's um if Flatbush Avenue kind. of runs down to the Manhattan Bridge and. the Brooklyn Bridge is down there too. it's like a couple miles away from the. World Trade Center and I remember um we. got out of school I I think I was a. senior in high school and we got out of. school and I remember walking to my. house at flat and looking down Flatbush. Avenue so this has been a couple hours. now since the the towers came down and. seeing people covered head totoe in soot.

like walking like they walked over the. Brooklyn Bridge and just came home. because there's like no Subways running. or nothing so they're just walking just. cover like oh that guy got caught in the. you know in the middle of it and it was. a crazy feeling in the city the whole. thing was insane it seemed like we it. seemed impossible no one could ever hit. us this is America in the '90s you I. mean it wasn't the '90s but it was it. was still the 9s until 9/11 you know. what I mean um and you were like this. this is impossible this couldn't happen. and I remember when George W bush came.

and gave that speech on the the. megaphone yeah and it was it was like. almost perfect in his simplistic you. know way where he goes I want you to. know we hear you in Washington DC and. pretty soon the people who knock down. these towers they're going to hear you. too and I remember being like [ __ ] yeah. yeah you just picked a fight with the. baddest [ __ ] and we're going to. [ __ ] your [ __ ] up you know but I was an. idiot [ __ ] you know kid but if I I I.

fell for it completely um Everybody did. you know but it was just like that's. that's kind of how it is when you're. hurt and you feel like you got hit and. they killed our people well we're going. to [ __ ] kill your people [ __ ]. but then you kind of realized and this. is what like Ron Paul taught me is it's. like yeah okay you know that impulse. that you just had exactly. that's what they feel so it's like the. same way that you went you kill us. [ __ ] we're going to kill your. [ __ ] people you go that's that's it. that's the same exact thing that the.

[ __ ] terrorists are feeling that's. the same thing their side's feeling that. they're like oh yeah you come here and. bomb our [ __ ] Village we're going to. kill your [ __ ] people you know you. it's kind of like that's the whole. [ __ ] cycle and it's. like I don't know it's like I you know I. remember literally saying this when I. was arguing with uh Essie cup and them. on our show where they'd be like the. like an attack even like the little ones. I remember there was one where like a. New York guy uh some some Muslim guy in. New York like hit people with his car. and he was like said he was part of Isis.

or something I don't even know how. connected he was and they're like uh. they're all like well don't we have to. do something about this I mean don't we. have to go bomb you know Sera or do. something about this and you're like. right you just got hit and now you feel. like we have to do something but what's. something blow [ __ ] up right yeah it's. not just like something like give a. speech you're saying we got to blow [ __ ]. up over this like all right well maybe. that's their perspective too and also. once you blow [ __ ] up people want to.

blow [ __ ] up back yeah that's and now. you're just continuing this so and so. like oh we got to fight him over there. so we don't fight him over here but. you're like well maybe that actually. ensures that we have to fight him over. here and isn't it wild that during this. most chaotic of times in our history if. we think about the we think about the. future of the world we think about the F. the possible possibility of War it's. escalated and we have the craziest. situation as a president and a vice.

president it's the thing is wild like. the only options we have what or from. the right or the left we're like what. the [ __ ] this is it like this is all. that's left it's like going to the. supermarket during the pandemic and. there's nothing on the shelves yeah like. oh my. God all that's here is a Trump and a. Biden like really all right we're going. to eat a jar of mayonnaise and pickles. oh my God that's all that's here and. it's and the thing about it that's kind. of crazy is that it's like it is so.

entertaining even though you kind of. know it's a disaster like I remember. when Trump announced he was running. again it was literally like my exact I. was like this is so bad for the country. godamn this is going to be fun like all. in one thought like God damn this is. going to be funny as [ __ ] like I it. definitely was that it definitely was. funny no but I'm saying 24 is gonna be. funny like it's just but it's uh it's. bad hopefully hopefully there's like.

more I I really hope that um that Robert. Kennedy Jr's campaign like has some. impact and like takes off I hope more. good people run but how could he. possibly win well he's probably not. going to win if I mean right so like all. he's doing is getting the message out. okay the message out but I don't I think. that's that's valuable you know I think. that's very valuable and I also think. things like that. can like it it can like check the.

establishment a little bit if they're. like whoa A lot of people like what. these this guy's saying maybe we can't. get away with this right now maybe we. can't get away with that like there have. been examples of that before where that. happens they they try to do something. and they realize this is going to be too. like too many people are going to be. upset about this yeah wasn't there talk. during the Obama Administration about. some sort of regulation of the internet. yeah the soapa bill the soapa and pipa. there were like these proposals that. were like real deal going to regulate.

the internet not like big Tech. censorship [ __ ] like really the. government was going to regulate the. internet I'm telling you Joe they'd have. shut your show down if that [ __ ] had. passed if soapa had passed there's no. way your uh podcast goes through the. pandemic no way there's no way you're. allowed to have dissident uh doctors and. scientists on to give like their point. of view on how the whole every policy is. wrong they just wouldn't have allowed it. and so and and so that didn't happen. we're still like in the game with a. fighting shot because enough people you.

know got Furious about that and look I I. should be to be fair there was also. corporate help with that like back then. a lot of the tech companies were against. it because they were still like they. weren't in bed with the government as. much back then and there was like I. believe Google was really against it and. so they helped push kind of that message. so I do think also like we're going to. need a mass Awakening in this country. but we're also going to need like. powerful people this is like what you. see what's really encouraging with with. Elon Musk buying Twitter is you kind of.

see that like yeah that's necessary too. you got to have like a badass. billionaire who's like on board with. this who can actually do something about. it CU he's so valuable yeah yeah that. move I know that pissed a lot of people. off there's a lot of people that are. just missing the [ __ ] point man. they're mad that questionable people are. allowed to be on it listen the [ __ ]. all sorts of questionable people are. already on there yeah the talibans on. Twitter the the ccps on.

Twitter Joe Biden there's yeah all types. of bad people there's there's always. been people like there's always been. people on Twitter yes yes and and come. on it's like it's also like you kind of. just like miss you know like don't just. don't get it twisted it's like again. like when it's like when what I try to. say with the Ukraine thing it's like. look if the people who didn't have. anything to say over what happened in. Yemen over the last like seven years are. really upset about the humanitarian. crisis in Ukraine it's like just don't.

be a [ __ ] Mark right like see what's. going on here I'm not saying you can't. be upset over the humanitarian crisis in. Ukraine but I'm just saying recognize. what they are doing they don't really. care about the humanitarian crisis. they're using this they're they're. manipulating you and in the same sense. don't think the people who are like all. four big Tech don't look you may really. hate if there's like neonazi or. something like that like on Twitter or. something you know okay I get it I get. where you hate that but understand why. they hate it they don't hate it because. of that like they don't care about that. they they got no problem sending weapons.

to the neo-nazis in Ukraine which by the. way we haven't touched on that but. there's some real deal ones uh in there. but my point is it's not that they hate. neo-nazis they hate dissidents okay so. you might find one example of a. dissident who we all agree is a real bad. guy or something like that but they're. not shutting down people like just for. that they're shutting down Alex baronson. for making datadriven arguments about. why the covid policies are wrong yeah. guy right for the New York Times yes. that's who they're going after you know. what I mean so like like asking him to.

be removed what are you doing about it. and it's always in like coded kind of. mafioso you know terms like yeah I. didn't technically say you you should. kick Alex Baron off I just went what's. up with this Baron character this. there's he has a lawsuit now yeah yeah. yeah well he didn't he win his lawsuit. against Twitter originally against the. old Twitter he has won against the Biden. Administration that's real interesting. yeah good for him I think he wants to. find out what was said he wants to find. out what what did you do like what the. internal discussions were there right.

you guys were trying to remove My First. Amendment rights yeah and it was Data. driven stuff that he was talking about. you're you're trying to silence a. journalist but that's also you realize. that it's kind of like that's why it. just all has to be protected you can't. silence journalists but it's also why. it's it's like. even if he wasn't making data- driven. arguments he should have a right to make. the arguments you know what I'm saying. like even if even if it's not like you. have to protect even the dangerous. speech otherwise you have no leg to.

stand on so like anything short of. incitement of violence or some type of. criminal activity or something like that. but you have to like it's like otherwise. you have this slippery slope and it's. it's amazing how quickly it happened. right like you remember when that. happened with Alex Jones so like not. that long ago that it was like oh all of. the companies colluded together to all. kick him off and silence him at once and. then everyone goes like yeah but it's. just Alex Jones you know and then like. before you know it oh it's not just Alex. Jones no it's going to keep going it's.

it's a thing that feeds off of removing. people that you disagree with and this. is why Elon Musk pisses them off so much. it's the same reason why Donald Trump. pisses them off so much it's almost like. he interrupted the inevitability of them. winning yeah you know how like. progressives will say um you're going to. be on the wrong side of History yes. which is like a really presumptuous. thing if you think about it like you're. saying you already know how history is. written and that you are the right side.

of it but that kind of is their. worldview that it's like look we're. going in this direction and that's the. correct direction and what's going to. happen next is Hillary Clinton's going. to be president you see that's the next. step and they're like well this wasn't. supposed to happen Trump was not. supposed to be here and the same thing. it was like we're going in the direction. of content moderation and you know. cracking down on misinformation whatever. their euphemisms for people you disagree. with yes and then all of a sudden Elon. Musk you're like wait what am what yeah.

the richest man in the world had 44. billion to burn and he just bought. Twitter and it's like and and you know. so you could criticize him he it's. Twitter hasn't been perfect since he. took it over there's like you know it. could always be better or whatever but. um but it's pretty awesome that he did. this it's pretty awesome the um getting. away eliminating verification is weird. like strange cuz like that seems look if. if regular people want to get verified. and you there's a fee for that that.

makes sense okay just it pays for the. site but if and especially for people. that are addicted to it and they're oned. it all day long anyway like just give. them some money but for celebrities and. like musicians and people and you know. like that there could be someone. impersonating them like why don't you. just give them their check CU it makes. it work better for all of us and and it. it does add to confusion a little bit. need confusion when when uh Don Lemon. announced that he uh was fired from CNN.

there was no check mark next to his name. and I'm like I'm like this is I thought. I go this is someone trolling like you. know what I mean so that's a little bit. confusing that's that doesn't make sense. to me that makes the experience of using. the app less good I agree with that um I. love labeling state funded media State. funed media I love seeing the reaction. so funny the reaction of NPR like this. is outrageous like but it's true well.

aren't they just 1% state funded no it's. actually much more than that because. then they like they they get it's like. 1% is is directly funded by the state. and then they also take money from like. local groups that have like collected. taxpayer money and stuff like that so. it's it's actually more um uh uh crystal. ball. um did a thing on on their show kind of. breaking this down so it's actually it's. actually in reality it's more than 1%. but regardless it do they take taxpayer.

funded money so like I think there's. nothing wrong with labeling them that. and if taxpayers are forced to fund any. amount of of a news organization and. then that news organization is going to. turn around and say like we won't report. on the hunter bide and laptop or we. won't do this or we won't you know their. stuff during Co was just God awful I. have no no problem with them having a. little label there especially one that. pisses him off I love that who did he. label. 69% state funded oh I don't know was it. the BBC maybe maybe he did find he did I.

also love that he's I love that he's. having fun with it like there's just. something great about it oh he's he's a. billionaire troll yeah he likes to troll. people the [ __ ] one that he did with. Bill Gates this is my all-time favorite. when he had a photo of Bill Bill Gates. was standing next to the emoji of a. pregnant man and it said if you want to. lose a boner real quick that is so crazy. Twitter label cbc's account CBC okay 69%. government funded media opinions were.

mixed on whether or not Elon mus musk. was making a sex joke or just thumbing. his nose the Canadian broadcast. Corporation or both so yeah it says 69%. government funded media well is that the. actual number I don't know I think uh. you see this happened though during it. too there were Chinese journalist that. had that label on their account and that. was removed wow Twitter drops government. funded label on media accounts including. in China well he yeah no I know he. dropped it on the ones he dropped it on.

um on NPR to I think in he was just. [ __ ] with him for a little while and. then he was like all right we're not. actually going to you got to realize. ladies and gentlemen that oppose him. this is so much better than the. alternative because the alternative is a. system like China has where it's a state. controlled system like they're they. social media is monitored like people go. to jail for dissenting like it's very. dangerous well look I mean if you a good. time to show you this video video shows. how China is using AI in their.

schools again so this is from an in. Instagram account that is popular what. they show is like an edited video I. don't know how accurate all this is. though but. CH know exactly when someone isn't. paying. attention these headbands measure each. student's level of concentration the. information is then directly sent to the. teacher's computer and to. parents good job classrooms have robots.

that analyze students health and. engagement levels students wear uniforms. with chips that track their. locations there are even surveillance. cameras that monitor how often students. check their phones or yawn during. classes but schools say it wasn't hard. for them getting parental consent to. enroll kids into what is one of the. world's largest experiments in AI. education a program that's supposed to. boost students grades while also feeding. powerful. algorithms that's about it whoa yeah.

whoa they're going to kill us well. they're going to dominate but sometimes. there's I just I'm always a little bit. skeptical of some of these things. because you're kind of like okay is this. just like one random school is doing it. this way in China and it's like a little. experiment cuz I have heard people. people like say that like um like I've. heard people um who like run businesses. in China uh like I I heard a podcast. with this one guy who lived there uh or. still lives there in China and he was.

like I don't know what everyone's. talking about with this credit uh social. credit score he goes I've never heard of. it it's never affected me I don't have a. social credit SC you know and I almost. like Wonder like sometimes we we do get. a lot of propaganda um about China CU. there's also a whole bunch of people. like who are real hawkish toward them so. I always try to kind of be skeptical of. some of this no doubt the CCP is really. creepy you know what I mean and they're. definitely like an authoritarian [ __ ]. up uh government they dict yes a one. party dictatorship for sure and when.

you've got something like that that's. how you run it yeah but there were like. um like that dude uh Adrien Zen who was. like he was like putting out a lot of. the stuff about the the weager genocide. and he was like. drastically like misrepresenting what's. happening and he actually I believe. apologized for it but he just got called. out like like literally like just doing. bad math like oh you didn't carry the. one here [ __ ] it's 10 times less. than what you're saying and it's not. like the evidence for that is not nearly.

what they kind of suggested it's it's. more seems like oh yeah China is a real. authoritarian government and they limit. how many people every how many children. everyone can have and it's okay they. don't have the one CH uh the one you. know child policy anymore now you're. allowed three or whatever but like it's. it's like it wasn't quite like the story. that was originally put out there I just. always get worried about weer Muslim. genocide like what I I have not seen um. a German scholar named Adrien Zen has.

recently stood out on the anti-china. stage with his reports accusing China of. detaining Wagers and other minority. groups or imposing sterilization on. ethnic minorities in its how do you say. that Xin xang I believe that's right. Jang region Zen has been welcomed by the. US in Western media as a leading expert. on Jing Jang he was quoted by um. Pompeo uh when Pompeo declared that they. were committing a genocide.

H uh okay and so what does it say full. of lies full of lies farfetched. assumptions and baseless. accusations um there's uh. if yeah if you go uh they they did a. good piece on this if you go to uh. antiwar.com which I recommend everyone. do every day. uh and just search Adrien Zen there they. did a really good piece breaking down. like how his it's like straight up like. his math is wrong it's not even like. there's an argument about this it's like. no look he's got these numbers. completely wrong it's just people get.

real carried away with this [ __ ] and I'm. my biggest concern is just that like. after this whole stand in Ukraine Taiwan. is going to [ __ ] be next and it's. like oh so now we're going to be. flirting with a nuclear confrontation. with Russia and China so that's like my. biggest concern in all of this I do uh I. do agree though that the whole like AI. in the classroom and all this [ __ ] is. creepy as [ __ ] I don't want it around my. kids Nationwide first of all the problem. would be it would work and kids would. get way better cuz you'd make them work.

yeah you'd force them like you you'd. hold them accountable there wouldn't be. any hiding. it it would also be terrible for getting. people to recognize that figures of. authority should be questioned you're. not going to develop any of that you're. you're going to have to adhere very very. strictly to these rules yeah which I. think part of going through school is. learning that different people are more. or less effective at communicating that.

you want to pay attention to them more. or less that the there's something. there's an education you're getting in a. shitty class believe it or not you're. getting an education on what happens in. a shitty class about how much you hate. it how much it sucks and how stupid your. teacher is and how interested they are. in the subject that they're teaching you. and how they expect total compliance and. they don't understand human emotions and. the way people think and behave that's a. that's an education too like going.

through bad schools gave me a great view. on what some potent some adults are. potentially like I learned a lot from. really awful teachers about what I don't. want to be in this world yeah man think. about how much interaction you have as a. child with adults right you have your. parents and you have your friend's. parents and then very rarely are you. alone with strangers except when you go. to school and then you go to school and. you get sent by the least motivated I.

mean sent to the least motivated people. often times people that aren't happy to. be there they don't enjoy it especially. if it's a bad neighborhood it's a. sketchy job to begin with you might get. jumped by some. kids and these people are just. browbeaten and they get in there and. they don't even want to be there and. these are responsible for showing your. children for most of the day what an. adult is like yeah and if that kid. doesn't have a strong figure at home if. that kid doesn't have someone at home.

that's kind and and generous and works. hard and is very engaged in them with. their life then they think that that's. what adults are like and has been for. since the beginning you know it's kind. of important that they had that already. for years before they they go to school. you know that's still better than robots. yeah I don't I mean I want compliance. yeah I want my kids to develop like uh. discipline and a work ethic and I want. like all of that stuff but I don't want. them to do it cu the robots watching. them I want it to do I want them to live.

and be a human and then be convinced. that like oh it's really awesome to. develop these things cuz life's better. that way but there's also something that. we have to take into consideration that. there's all there's a wide spectrum of. things that people are interested in and. often times when kids are bored in class. they're imagination is running wild and. they'll start thinking about what they. want to do with their life they'll start. thinking about things through boredom. but Joe if we just give them this pill. they'll pay attention I know thank God.

that [ __ ] wasn't around when I was a. kid my God I would have been medicated. for sure if I had like like parents who. couldn't handle it I got uh Med so I I'm. lucky in a sense but I got diagnosed. with ADD and they prescribed me Ridin. and uh I think my mother begrudgingly. put me on it for a week and I was just. [ __ ] I was just a little kid tweaking. out on [ __ ] riddin and I wouldn't eat. or sleep and so she took me off it right.

away and she was like no [ __ ] it we're. not doing this um and then I never did. I'm thank God I got off it yeah you. really don't I mean like I've done. adderal like as an adult you know what I. mean and you're like yo this is a. serious drug man to just be giving this. to Children is really insane cuz he's a. little boy who wants to run. around like yeah let him run around more. I don't know it's wild that different. ways of thinking about life and. different things being interested in.

whether or not you could pay attention. can be a disease like if you can't pay. attention to things like we we think. there's something wrong with the way. your mind works but meanwhile those kids. who can't pay attention to things watch. them play a [ __ ] video game watch. them play World of Warcraft watch them. play whatever the [ __ ] the kids play. today what do they play what's the. what's the big. one yeah one of those [ __ ] things. they these [ __ ] can play that. [ __ ] all day long and be fully locked in.

how come because it's interesting cuz. they're kids kids are bored as [ __ ] and. if they they haven't been interested in. math previously and then they're behind. and then they're trying to pay attention. in class I remember just struggling. through math cuz I was so dumb I was. like are there calculators. and they're like yes do we have like. basically an unlimited supply of. batteries and they're like yes I'm like. well I'm out like I'll figure all this. [ __ ] out with a calculator I'm not. learning how to do that but that was the.

the stupidest way to think but as a kid. that left me thinking about other stuff. like I was bored and because of bored I. would scribble on my notebook I would. draw I would think about things you know. the the history of school where it comes. from the term school it comes from uh. Russia as they they were the first ones. to invent school and this is the. Prussian system is what we adopted in. America the prussians were the. geographical and cultural precursor to. the Nazis um and the reason they did it.

was because they had this uh problem. that um their conscripted armies would. not. fight like they'd get out there and you. they'd draft these people into an army. and tell them to go to war and they'd. like piss themselves and run away and. they were like what are we going to do. about about this and so they were like. we got to get them at a young age uh and. really like indoctrinate them toward. like being subservient to the state wow. and Horus man who is considered you know.

the The Godfather of Education in in. America he literally said I think it was. in the late 1800s he literally said. we're adopting the Prussian model and he. was like but you know surely if this. model can be used to support like. Prussian you know uh like. authoritarianism it can also be used to. support Republican. ISM of America you know and like support. the great Republic and it's literally I. mean that is the first thing they would. do at schools is like have you pledge. allegiance to your government you know. and um that's why I do think it's.

interesting when a lot of these uh you. know like right-winger types today. they'll be like oh my God they're. propagandizing these kids in school and. I I will grant that I do find the latest. um insane gender sexualization of kids. to be particularly troubling it's not. like it's a new thing that they're. propaganda and kids in school in fact. that's kind of what the whole thing was. set up for and it's like it's you know. like my kids are like they're I got. little little kids but like even just. from like like like my four-year-olds.

man it's just like the state of these. little kids they're so magical and. amazing and all they want like they have. this amazing passion for life that's. built into them all my four-year-old. ever wants to do is ask me why like. that's all she wants to do is understand. how things work she wants me to explain. them to her she wants to help you know. what I mean like everything you can. think of she wants to do a little task. and then say I helped you know like Mom. baked muffins and I helped I stirred.

like they want so badly to know things. and participate in the adult world and. then we're like oh okay well what we're. going to do with you for the next uh 14. years is send you to go sit in a row of. desks and memorize and regurgitate. information that an authority figure. hands to you it's just horrible you're. like that's the best we could come up. with with the did in the 1800s in. Prussia that's what you've got for me. and we are so locked into this idea that. that's how to do it yeah yeah like they.

can't learn how to read and write and. learn something about history and math. in a different way that's like better. I'm not saying I have the answer to it. it's just like someone's smarter than me. should well the problem is people are. busy and you don't have enough time to. invest in your kids education. restructuring lot of people don't at. least yeah you that's the thing about it. is you just kind of what's the best. school in my area you know you fall into. that and of course because the schools. are you know largely monopolized by the.

government there's also like there's not. that much ability to change things and. try new things and try you know I think. there's a really important factor that. goes on with schools though it's uh. these kids getting together and. recognizing these teachers are idiots. it's like when you have a conversation. with your kids as they get older they're. going to tell you about some idiot. teachers and that these conversations. are hilarious I got I got to witness. some in California because my daughter. during the pandemic was on Zoom so she'd. have to do Zoom school okay and so or.

whatever it was you know they had the. streaming service they used and so I I. get to sat in a room with her while she. was doing zooms and just to see how. disinterested this teacher was how about. how unbelievably boring it was to listen. to the stuff that she had to say and. there's no engagement no no thought of. the fact that these are kids and a lot. of these people don't have kids and they. don't have kids that age either which is. like or they're not accustomed to being. like kids don't want to [ __ ] pay. attention you got to make it fun if you.

don't make it fun they don't want to do. it they don't want to do it but that's. normal and that's healthy you want. people to do things and have fun you. want ideally your life should be you. doing something you enjoy yeah we got to. figure out what you enjoy Bob and we got. to drill it into you Sally we're going. to you find what what you gravitate. towards let's encourage that yeah 100%. man and like there's you know like and I. knew like I I had a few great teachers. like in my life but like three you know.

like they're the they're the minority. and then there were tons of awful. teachers just tons and here's the. question man like what creates an. artist like most people if they had. artistic talent in some way shape or. form they'd probably want to do that. cuz it's a fun thing to do there's. something exciting about creating things. well where does that come from is that. in all of us but it's just discouraged. so hard in some people and through this.

sort of rigid adherence to whatever is. in control whatever whatever power. structure whatever authority figure is. that does that squash it in so many. people that only a few of tortured. childhoods get out and maybe we. associate creativity and we associate. brilliant art with with people with. tortured childhoods for all the wrong. reasons do you ever hear uh that I've. always loved this quote so much but.

someone asked uh Jerry Seinfeld or they. were like when you were a kid were you. like the funny one in your group of. friends and he went we were all funny. and then everyone else got jobs wow you. know it's kind of like that like there. is something to that man like what do. you mean we were all hilarious I just. kept being hilarious they all decided to. stop at some point and like I do I don't. think everyone it like could be an. artist there are some people who are. wired for like different things there. are some people who are like like this. dude's a chemist or this dude's like a.

computer programmer and he was made to. be that like he had like a real. propensity toward that but I think. there's no question a lot of people have. that squashed a lot of people like you. know i' I've known people like that who. are like those are the most bitter. people they're the most bitter people. it's sad there's something tragic about. that you know the guys that want wanted. to be in a band but it just didn't work. out or just didn't didn't have the balls. to like go for it and then got a job and. then had a family well now you got a. family you can't leave this job now you. know what I mean like you and yeah. that's there's something so tragic about.

that man it's. weird you know it's a it's a sad person. to be around someone would just it. didn't they didn't chase their dream or. they didn't have the encouragement or. the they didn't have the um confidence. they didn't have the circumstances they. had bad circum ances that befell them. yeah well if you're if you're like young. and you're you're listening to this like. keep that in mind I remember I remember. Jordan Peterson said once I think it. might have been on on with you I can't. maybe it wasn't but he said something.

about like you know there people who are. like in a job that they hate or in a. career that they hate and they'll think. about like well I can't like I can't. leave and pursue something else cuz what. about all the risks of doing that and. you're like yeah what about the risks of. not what about the risks of doing. something that makes you miserable for. the rest of your life. CU that seems like a a risk worth. considering you know I was really lucky. in having no stability when I was young. which doesn't make sense if you think. about it because you want to provide. your children with as much stability as.

possible but I was really lucky that I. didn't because I didn't believe in like. normal systems like I didn't believe in. them I'd never that they they seemed. alien to me like the idea of getting a. job in an office was like so crazy I. never even considered it I've never had. an office job ever even when I had other. jobs I took these weird alternative jobs. like I did construction or I drove limos. I did stuff that like anybody could do. like you didn't need there's no barrier. to entry like it was working in an.

office to me seemed like Madness like to. sit in I for sure have ADHD or whatever. the [ __ ] it is but it works for regular. life like if you have just a life you. enjoy it's actually beneficial but this. idea of sitting and doing a a job all. day that I. completely unemotionally attached to not. creatively attached to I couldn't do it. but if I had to do some stuff for money. that I knew was temporary I could do. that that's easy deliver newspapers fine. that's just stuff I'm doing something.

kind of physical where you're like doing. something it's it's a little doing. something for money it's not a job right. it's I'm not going to move my way up the. corporate ladder are you [ __ ] crazy. like that it was so impossible for me I. was just programmed so different no i'. I'm well aware of it in my myself too. where there'll be things sometimes that. like um something like even like um like. shopping like clothes shopping or. something like that if it's like going. slow I'm like I've never been so.

miserable in my entire life I don't know. why this is so excruciatingly painful I. have no interest I don't freaking care. like let's go I'm so bored bored but if. I'm doing the things that I'm passionate. about I could focus on that forever like. limitlessly you know um that's where. marijuana comes in cuz marijuana and. shopping it's a totally different. experience then you're just having fun. you're relaxed and just walking around. you could walk around with the slowest. Shopper ever and just make fun of. everything that happens well dude I mean.

I I started smoking pot like very young. in life like 14 maybe and I became like. an everyday smoker very quickly and I. think there was something to that. connection that the things that were so. boring and miserable to me in life were. like oh now this is fun like this is not. that anymore it's like oh look I found. the cure for this dude 100% that was my. entire time of filming Fear Factor the. entire [ __ ] every episode of every. season except the first four episodes.

the first four episodes I did sober I. was like oh my God I'm going to go. crazy and then once I started getting. high I was like this is. awesome I could see where that would. change the experience a oh my God it was. much better experience it was much. better it was like night and day I was. like oh yeah an amazing. job for the record I don't recommend. other 14-year-olds get all the time. there was uh there there were problems. with it and it wasn't for the best but. uh I was very fortunate that I was. during my entire like from high school.

age to like the time I started doing. standup I didn't party at all like very. very rarely because I was competing so. because of that I was always scared to. lose and I was always scared that I I. would lose because I I had gotten drunk. and then I was hung over and and you're. not talking about losing a bath. basketball game you're talking about. getting kicked in the face and not yeah. it's not fun you don't want that to. happen to you so I was obsessed with not. getting kicked in the face but kicking. people in the face and so if like not.

getting drunk was like the solution to a. lot of those problems and it's also I. just knew that there was a lot of kids. that I was friends with at the time I. was you took the opposite of the Jon. Jones approach well Jon Jones is so. goddamn talented he could dominate while. partying was that on here when he said. that yeah to you that he said he would. do it so he had an excuse in his mind. yeah in case he lost and he still won he. still beat everybody he beat people with. like minimal training man he was so. [ __ ] good John's so good and he comes.

from a family of super athletes like. both of his brothers are in the NFL I. mean it just it's. just kissed by God you know there's. people like that man there's Roy Jones. jior and Mike Tyson's and they have all. the talent in the world and the athletic. ability but they're also kissed by God. yeah they're just great people J Jones s. gone and you're just like I guess you. could have just always been fighting. heavy weights this whole time just you. just probably could have always done. this and it's just like it's not even. like a a competition even about you're.

like there's not even a next fight that. I'm dying to see yeah cuz I'm just kind. of like I mean he's just there's no one. there's no one who's going to [ __ ] with. good he's so good he's the goat I mean. if you got to you're going to have a. goat I don't think you can argue that. John's not the goat I think the argument. really is who are the greats because. there you it's so subjective if. nurmagamedov was better than John Jones. it's so what do you did you like. longevity you like total dominance CU in.

total dominance nurma gdov is the goat. total dominance man just smashes. everybody nobody had a chance do you. understand how crazy it is to watch a. guy storm through an entire division. with Masters like Justin gagei a master. of Destruction no one has a chance. Conor McGregor master of Destruction no. one has a chance this [ __ ] he. gets everybody there's an argument that. he's the goat there's an argument that. Mighty Mouse is the greatest expression. of martial arts in the history of Combat.

Sports I would make that argument in his. prime he's the greatest expression. slamming guys into arm bars and that. crazy [ __ ] Elite athletes and he's a. ghost he's standing right in front of. him he's tagging him and he's a ghost. his footwork his last fight where he won. the uh the that knockout was. insane of what the guy did to him yeah. the way he timed it as he's following. him into the cage it's just like insane. [ __ ] that that masterful and he's in his. like what is he 36 how old is Mighty.

Mouse let's find out how old Mighty. Mouse is because for the 125 pound. division to be competing at a very high. level in in a natural athlete in his. 30s he's 36 yes no recall there you go. they say marijuana kills your recall. that's [ __ ] you fuses a little it's. a little cloudy how you know how do you. know Mighty Mouse was 36 then this the. that guy when he was in his prime like. when he beat cejudo the first time when. he stopped him in the first round he was. the ultim for about that need him to the.

body right that's right and it was real. close this audo second fight was very. close dude I went behind Mighty Mouse. once when he was behind backstage at the. UFC and I just grabbed him to hug him. just play just to play he's my friend I. go to hug him and he turns and just to. [ __ ] with me. hits me in the body touches me the most. gentle touch with two knees so fast that. I couldn't believe they actually move. that quickly it was it was just he went. just did that to me I was like oh my.

goodness yeah he would he is an unreal. Talent. dude with those knees to the body I. remember watching that going I don't. think I've ever seen anybody land a knee. to the body more precisely it's a shame. that he magic the cejudo it's a shame. that he left the UFC when he did and. didn't get like like the third fight. with cejudo a rubber match there I think. would have been so huge you know what I. mean like I feel like he never got the. fight that had like that type of height. behind him I believe you're correct it.

was just like kind of like hardcore fans. knew like they were like yo this guy's. like unbelievable he's the best but I. think he just didn't quite have the. moment there was also talk of him moving. up and fighting TJ dillish on I think. there was like a contractual dispute or. something like that didn't happen but. it's a shame that he didn't get one of. those like huge huge moments cuz even. when he beat cejudo the first time he. wasn't like that big of a name yet like. people didn't know like who that was. whereas like the by the third fight it. would have been like a huge thing you. know um and then uh GSP also is in the.

conversation he's got to have an. argument yeah he's in the conversation. for sure the dominance of the. welterweight Division and the fact that. he beat everyone he ever faced uh and. came back and won the middleweight title. after a a leave that's hard to not uh. that's hard not consider him that yeah. it's hard yeah I mean especially how. brilliantly he handled it he just like. beat Bisping and said I'm done I do. think the belt all of this is kind of. subjective like you said it's like what. do you like but I would say that for me.

Jon Jones has the strongest argument. because he. dominated multiple. generations of Fighters like he. dominated the Shogun Rampage Mach. generation of Fighters then he dominated. um what was it the Guston the first. fight's the most impressive because he. didn't train for it yeah that's just the. most impressive thing is that Jon Jones. pulls out the first fight in the later.

rounds he wins a decision by dominating. the later rounds in a fight that he. didn't train and we had never seen him. in a dog fight before at that point you. were like sometimes there are these guys. I remember thinking the same thing with. uh Israel atna when he fought Kelvin. gastam whereas all we had seen from him. was just like dominating everybody and. so there's something there's kind of a. question mark a little bit with that. where you don't know you know some. people like when the going gets tough. kind of like look for a way out and I. remember if you remember in that fight.

in the fourth round Kelvin [ __ ] him up. in that fourth round he really hurt him. and he was busted up and you remember. before the fifth round starts is he. looks at him and he's like I'm prepared. to die for this then and then he went. out and dominated the fifth round and. you were like oh okay this dude's. special he's not just like a that can. dominate people but he's also like a. real fighter he's so special that he. chose to fight Pera for the fourth time. after getting knocked out and he was.

getting [ __ ] up in that fight too he. was getting [ __ ] up his leg was. getting [ __ ] up his leg was getting. chewed up and and he was cornered and he. was taking talking about it after the. fight he's like not again he's getting. me again because he was getting him. again with the same goddamn thing that. guy is so clever here he goes he says. I'm prepared to die I have no problem. I'm prepared to die and look how [ __ ]. up he like he was really beat up man I'm. prepared to he said I'm prepared to die. I'm prepared to holy [ __ ] I do like I do. like at the end of it though uh not.

knocko I'm just singing his Praises he's. the greatest but at the end of the the. fight where he's like that's it he goes. we're not fighting again he goes I don't. I don't keep score I end score or. whatever you're like I get where you're. coming from on that one you're like Jes. CH because you should really move up you. should move up and go. f get the [ __ ] out of here it's just. pretty it's pretty funny to be three in. one and go I think we've all seen enough. of this well I don't think he's three in. one I think he won the first fight oh. yeah fight it was a bad decision I. believe you and he got saved in the. second kickboxing fight adna had him on. skates he was in real trouble they got.

gave him a standing a count which is. huge if especially you look at the first. round of the first MMA fight and he Dro. yeah yeah he drops him at the end of the. first round now imagine if he rocked him. I don't know if. he I don't know if his hand touched the. ground I think he just rocked him you're. right um but he rocks him in a very. similar manner to when he finishes him. off in the second fight right imagine if. that had taken place and the referee had. stood in and gave him a standing a. account paa is a monster he recovers.

quickly like he can get cracked and some. there's some speculation that some of. that has to do with the fact that he's. cutting so much weight um Michael. bisbing I believe um uh I believe it was. uh there was a few other Fighters oh I. think it was shashan Ali was were. talking about this insane weight cut. that this guy makes to get down to 185. lbs and the fact that that could affect. his ability to absorb punishment very. possibly but imagine a a scenario where. he gets rocked like that but then you. give him eight whole seconds to recover.

and you're it's the the referee's doing. like one two three like they don't want. him to lose right and so they give him. this little ability to recover and he. survives and then he WS up winning and. knocking out P or knocking out [ __ ] in. this spectacular fashion hits with this. monster left hook but that's the thing. about that guy that's what's so. terrifying about fighting him and that's. why is he so special that he's like I. can figure this [ __ ] out well I. you also got to look at it like you know.

there's almost like there's like a. winner vers loser mentality to that and. I remember thinking of this going into. that last fight where like look you. could look at it and say I I was. fighting my best fight and he still got. me you know what I mean or you could. look at that and go I had this guy I was. winning that fight until the fifth round. you know what I mean the thing is. there's zero margin for error when you. fight that dude zero like you can't [ __ ]. up once it's almost you got to crack him.

because like him saying that he he was. going to get him early I think he kind. of knew that you the punishment he puts. on your legs it's so it's so sneaky how. he does it man he throws the best calf. kicks in the [ __ ] business man yeah. he really does he's going to be a force. he'll be a force at 205 I mean he's a. real dangerous guy 205 he's going to. have a problem with real elite Grapplers. I think yeah there's some big there's. some big Grapplers that that's a little. bit of an issue but it'll be kind of. interesting to see how interesting well. he's training with Glover and Glover is.

one of the best Grapplers that ever. fought in the 2005b division y so he's. going to get amazing instru but when you. saw the first ad aagna fight when Izzy. took his back when Izzy was on top of. him you could imagine someone who's an. elite Grappler in that division. like having their way with him in those. situations well when Israel adna moved. up to 205 uh and um fought bovich like. that was the issue that he had with him. he was like okay I know what I can do to. this guy but he's bigger and stronger.

than than I he bov is huge no no I'm. saying but Pera is bigger and stronger. than I he so that it's it's a question. how good can get that fight at 205 would. be [ __ ] insane. yovic versus Alex paa at 205 would be. [ __ ] bananas dude that fight him against. Hill would be a great F any of the. matchups there would be really good make. any mistakes against bovich and bovich. can take it that guy can take it holy. [ __ ] is he an animal yeah no he's you.

got. anv like Jesus Christ man and what's his. and The champ is uh well not the champ. anymore um but uh he's out for a few. years I think Jamal Hill no no no no no. Jamal Hill is the champ now uh what's. his name who was was the champ but. didn't lose it. uh [ __ ] what [ __ ] the guy. uh ah what's his name he literally just. got a big shoulder injury oh yurios oh. my God I'm blanking too yeah he uh how.

did I not [ __ ] catch that that's how. good this [ __ ] Ric Flare weed is. that's hilarious see there my memory. sucks M it sus one for two so far Brasa. do you know this what happened with him. I know he [ __ ] his shoulder up in a. real awful way right dude he [ __ ] his. shoulder up so bad the UFC surgeons said. it was the worst shoulder injury he's. ever seen this is what happened his. shoulder came out of place during. training and they yanked on it to put it. back in and [ __ ] it up Jesus yeah that.

sucks man Wally's champion of the world. while he's the champion of the world. coming off the most insane fight with. Glover toera I mean that was a [ __ ]. insane fight one of the best fights ever. the fact that he submitted Glover to win. he's so unusual you watch his movements. everything is so different it's so hard. to prepare for this guy here he's. training again so he'll do this like. he's just [ __ ] around he's like. loosening up I think is that what he's. saying he's doing yeah yeah I was just.

showing up what you're talking about him. as all oh but his movement when he. fights is so unusual so this is why they. did this is why they like stripped the. title right away cuz they were just like. this is going to be relinquished the cuz. he was like this is he's the real deal. man he's the real he relinquished the. title he decided that that injury was. too spectacular that he needed real time. to recover um but what what's. interesting about this is like shoulder. injuries are notorious for. being they repeat it's very hard like a.

a shoulder's a complicated joint you got. to really rehabilitate that thing. perfectly before you come back so many. guys have come back from knee injuries. and shoulder injuries too soon uh Ed. shortfuse Herman who just reti tired he. got his ACL reconstructed and in. training like getting back into it blew. it out again cuz it wasn't really. recovered yet you got to give yourself. the right amount of time you're an elite. athlete and so he was talking about. getting back in there I think in July.

and I think that's all scrapped but I. think he was talking about getting back. in there very quickly he says he knows. his body but man that's a complicated. joint like these guys that are surgeons. today are the greatest that have ever. lived they can do amazing things with. people but even TJ Dillashaw he's had a. shitload of surgeries and his shoulders. are [ __ ] that was awful seeing that in. that in that fight with Al horrible. horrible but TJ's shoulders have been. [ __ ] for a long time he just.

compensated for it to the point where it. all eventually just fell apart well he. looked real good in his fight before. that I mean I don't know I guess he said. he had a lot of problems with it in uh. in that training camp well in that fight. he looked really good before it and Cory. sandhagen destroyed his knee destroyed. his knee in that exchange like his KNE. was [ __ ] up man and so from that he. goes and wins that fight he wins that. decision and now he's got [ __ ] up. shoulders his shoulders are so bad and. he got surgery on him but they basically. said like you're not going to be able to. fight again like they they just won't.

hold up like it's been too much damage. and that's what I'm worried about when I. hear people having a catastrophic. shoulder injury and then saying I'm. going to get back in there as quickly as. possible. like you know be careful shoulder. injuries they just like they're a tough. one knee back I mean when people recover. from like Alaine Sterling recovers from. a neck surgery where they replace one of. his discs with an artificial disc and.

goes on to retain the title yeah like. holy [ __ ] man like you got an artificial. disc in your neck and you're fighting. like the stuff they can do today is why. incredible shoulders do seem like the. trickiest one though and they seem like. the ones that like you know it's weird. like when you people I remember this. from like basketball like in in like. high school and [ __ ] where it' be. someone who like their shoulder popped. out like they dislocated their shoulder. and then that just happens to them then. that's just a thing that like regularly. like not like all the time but you you.

always like know it could happen again. and like there's really like a I don't. know that Su there's a thing I want to. recommend for shoulder Health if people. are interested in this there's a a. product that I have no affiliation with. other than I bought it it's called. crossover Symmetry and it's these bands. and they come in various weights and you. you put them on a post or you can hang. them on the wall or whatever and you do. a series of exercises whether it's. pulling them upwards or pulling them. across pulling that pulling them this. way and that way and it's all shoulder. strengthening and it really can help.

people and it really can prevent. injuries too if you do it on a regular. basis if you stick to it you got to. think of your shoulders as like. something that you're protecting you're. not just like building it up you should. protect the joint like that's what knees. over toes guy is really interested in. like his his whole thing that is is. about like strengthening all the muscles. around your knee and strengthening the. muscles around your shoulder so. important too and so often when people. are training in a thing whether it's. Jiu-Jitsu or Muay Tha or anything you're.

only training doing that thing and that. thing can strengthen you and it. certainly will but it would benefit you. to doing things to prevent injuries and. strengthening joints and strengthening. the the tissue around vulnerable areas. in your body whether it's your neck or. your shoulders or your knees it's very. good it's very important everybody. should do it if you can well I know. who's happy right now is the people who. run that company with those shoulder uh. oh those there's a bunch of different I. mean I like to think someone's listening. live they like yes that's my thing well.

the knees over toes guy has a great. system that he does too with just um he. uses uh dumbbells and uh different uh. external and internal rotation exercises. and those are all very good there's a. bunch of different things you can do. with with just dumbbells there's a bunch. of different exercises you can that all. are just low weight things that. strengthen your shoulders another one. that's great is Club Bells I if you ever. used them before but they're like it. looks like a like a small bat that's. made out of iron and you do all these.

extra like the iron Chic used to do with. those big wooden ones you ever seen. those things you do things like Shield. casting where it's all you have this. this thing in your hand that's like a. bat with and it's the weight is weird so. you don't even need much weight like 15. PBS you can get a really good workout. and and you're you're holding these. things out and you're doing all sorts of. different exercises with these with. these things you're swinging them you're. swinging them overhead like look at. that's the iron Chic doing it oh yeah. those things are tremendous for shoulder.

strength wasn't enough. Hogan that guy was a beast dude in real. life he was Elite athlete Elite wrestler. was he really oh yeah oh I didn't know. that yeah Elite wrestler for Iran like. legit oh okay that's where he wrestled. right it was fake right cuz you you. never know with those people like with. the the the he came from Iran right I. mean didn't lie about that did he back. then you could just lie though there was. no internet did my favorite uh wrestling.

story ever the my favorite story line. wrestled for we should give him his. props cuz the iron Chic was the [ __ ]. man I'm I'm 99% sure he wrestled for. Iran but he was like an elite wrestler. well when so what year yeah when did he. wrestle for around probably 68 oh okay. so that's before the Revolution that's. when we uh we liked the government look. at him [ __ ] Animal by the way the CIA. overthrew the Iranian government in 1953. and installed the Sha just saying I'm.

just saying that was that wasn't a good. thing and on that note dude we're like. almost four hours in oh can I just say. the one thing that I wanted to say. before that my favorite wrestling. storyline ever was when during the first. araq war is that we were just talking. about is uh Sergeant Slaughter defected. and became a pro- Iraqi. like that was his thing that he was the. American s cuz that was a big problem we. had he was like I realize Ira is right. and then he was oh my God that's. hilarious that's hilarious look at him. he get the [ __ ] oh Jesus Christ and.

dude it was so easy in 1991 it was so. easy can we play it can we play. it. world and people are like Ser betrays. America he. toake. toake his name overnight he a world. around the.

world what an amazing what an amazing. what American American Sergeant defected. to Iraq this is amazing what is he. unwrapping what is this boot an Iraqi. military. boot s to me. what a. GI people are so. angry glad that my career will follow.

your LLY. standards what a ballsy. boo wear the I will wear your gift. saying those are from Saddam Hussein yes. I get it I get. it. Ultimate. Warrior Royal Rumble all right it's over.

podcast is over that's amazing all right. bye everybody. [Applause]. [Music].