Joe Rogan Experience #1976 - James Fox

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day okay hello James hello good to see. you my man thank you so much for having. me on oh my pleasure the moment I saw. that documentary I was like Wow let me. just be honest off off the bat I loved. your first documentary but when someone. says there's a documentary about a. crashed UFO and it happened in Brazil. I'm always like man people tell stories.

you know I'm like maybe it was one of. those like I didn't think too much of it. when I hear stories even Roswell I. always go I don't know I don't know it's. so hard to know. 1947 you know I think some Shenanigans. were going on but what what was it. really and how much of this is just. people tell stories and those stories. grow and change over the years and and. you know almost like the story becomes. their real memory after a while because. they've been doing it for you know so. many so many years but then this one.

this one just right. away the way you captured all the the. information and the evidence and the the. eyewitness accounts the photographs that. people got the the depictions of the. actual being the fact that there was. live. beings this is a re and everyone that. didn't even know each other having these. like really similar stories about what. they saw and when people got a hold of. the wreckage like when you first started.

making this documentary did you have any. apprehension like oh this one how how do. I sell a documentary on a crashed UFO. like what's the best way to put this. together because that's part of the art. of what you do right you were skeptical. let me tell you how skeptical I was okay. so I was making my second documentary on. UFOs in the late 90s I just finished a. documentary called UFOs 50 years of. denial I'm started on my second film it.

was. 1999 and I partner up with a couple of. guys Boris zubov has been a partner I'm. still working with him today and this. guy Tim Coleman who's a British reporter. and uh we like mapping out the film. concept like hey we should cover this. case and we should do that and he's like. hey mate we got to do this amazing UFO. crash in Brazil with these aliens we're. walking around the town and I looked at. the guy and I thought I think I picked. the wrong partner this guy's [ __ ]. batshit crazy and literally I dismissed. it on the.

spot and I refused to even read one word. about it I said there's no way in hell. that that happened and the whole world. doesn't know about it right so I know I. have to remind your audience I was. making my second documentary on UFOs on. UFOs and I dismissed it like this like. how fast can you say howdy Duty it just. always seems like if someone's telling. you about something like that like you. would have heard about it absolutely I I. can't tell you Joe how quickly I.

dismissed it and I didn't look into it. till 2011 okay so here's what happened. I'm going to I get invited by this guy. AJ javard to a place called uh perbi in. um in uh Brazil and uh I'm speaking at a. conference about a film I did called I. know what I saw and uh this guy calls me. Jeff sagansky who's very high up on the. food chain uh in the entertainment. industry he's been kind of like my. mentor and opening doors for me over the. years and I've asked him over a per time.

like why are you so kind to me he's a. very wealthy guy in New York and he goes. you know Jackie gleon told me one time. that these things were real don't don't. listen to anybody else I know for a fact. and so when I saw you as an independent. struggling young filmmaker I always. wanted to lend a helping hand and by the. way you go into Brazil you got to look. into that Virginia case and I thought oh. God not this again right swear to God so. I was like well I had a lot of respect. for Jeff sansy I mean you can look him. up the guy's very famous I mean very.

he's big time and I said oh yeah sure. Jeff I'll look into that for you while. I'm in Brazil and uh just to be nice. right but in the back of my mind I was. like I'm not wasting one second on that. stupid case like seriously I'm I'm. telling you honest to God truth and it. was 2011 so I go to Brazil with the int. with no intention of looking into it. zero okay I wasn't even going to ask one. question and it just so happens that. nuclear physicist and UFO research. Stanton fredman rest in peace and uh he.

is there at the conference and somehow. the case gets brought up wasn't about. that case but it gets brought up and. he's like oh yeah I was in Brazil when I. went down and he's one of the smarter. guys s Freeman yeah he is not an idiot I. mean he's one of the reasons why him and. Don Schmidt and Kevin Randall are one of. the reasons why we're even talking about. Roswell and uh he's like oh yeah I was. here when that when that happened I met. some of the witnesses so then that kind. of PE my interest I was like huh okay.

well God Stanton I can't completely. dismiss coming from Stanton then I met a. couple of people at the conference so I. thought okay well I piqued my interest I. got to be honest with you and that's how. it all. started and that was like in 2011 and I. was going to include a segment of it in. the phenomenon the interview with st is. that did you get that I got that in 2013. in Brazil cuz he died when died like a.

couple years ago he died in the airport. you know he told me he's like uh James. I'm retiring I can't do this anymore I. live in Canada in this remote spot there. are no direct flights and I'm always. running in the airports trying to get my. connecting flight and I just I can't do. it anymore and then he retired for like. a year or so and then he just he had to. get back at it and he died in the. airport running for a connecting flight. oh he had a heart attack running oh no. it's exactly what he predicted God damn. it I know right and I just like he was a.

fascinating guy because he was an. outspoken critic of Lazar and I always. wanted to get the two of them together I. was like I wanted to see because one of. the things that the critics of Lazar. always bring up is his education at MIT. I can explain that to you off air in the. way that he explained it to me and it. might make sense but I think that it's. hard to dismiss that he worked at that. lab Los Alamos labs had him on their. their the list of people that worked.

there like he was on the the whatever. that thing is that they have with the. all the list of employees he was in it. like he worked there he knew all the. people that worked there he knew how it. was set up when they when they took him. there he knew the security guys he knew. the machines that they used to they they. had some sort of a scanner that measured. the length of your digits exactly so you. put your hand on this thing and uh he. talked about it and everybody's like. what that doesn't even exist and then. years later people got photographs of.

this thing George nap said he went. through that Los Almos laboratory like. just right through let me tell you I. this is this is something that just came. in yesterday that I that I can for the. first time ever talk about uh in full. detail I've talked about on I did a. couple of podcasts where I gave I don't. know in. 1993 994 I was working on my first. film I talked about it earlier it's. called UFOs it's so 90 but whatever UFOs.

50 years of denial it's like 80 years of. denial now and uh I was interviewing. this guy out at area he was like lived. on the outskirts of the base in in a. place called um uh Ali the near the. little Ali in in Rachel Nevada and Chuck. this guy's name is Chuck Clark and he. had found all these and the relevance of. what I'm telling you will come to light. in a second here he'd found all these. Vantage points on the mountaintops that. he could spy on the base down below with. high powerered telescopes tra with uh.

with cameras and he was taking. photographs of different exotic. airplanes coming out of hangers and. stuff like that he wrote a book called. like uh UFO Area 51 uh handbook and. guide or something he was a amateur. astronomer he was and he had a couple of. really cool sightings out at Area 51. that were really like he saw these it's. in my movie he saw these these lights. doing things that they shouldn't be. doing right like traversing and then. stopping and then taking off really fast. so anyway so I'm covering his story cuz.

I was intrigued I mean in the early 90s. the Bob Lazar thing was everywhere I was. making a dock on UFOs so I was kind of. looking into it yeah I wouldn't just. like categorically believe it but I'll. look into it so I was looking into it. and uh and I'm going back and forth out. there for many times and then one day I. get a phone call from Chuck Clark and. I'm back at home in Northern California. and this kind of a long way away and he. goes James I got something you need to. see.

I said okay well what is it I can't tell. you but your jaws going to hit the floor. when you see it I was like that good he. goes oh yeah that good I said I'm. canceling all my plans jumped in my car. and I drove straight through to Rachel. Nevada I get to his house this must have. been I'm going to guesstimate 95 94. 95 get to his house and he's got a. double wide right near the little. alien and uh he pops in this VHS tape.

I was like and it was like two guys on. the quintessential road trip just to. area you know the surrounding areas. Rachel and the Extraterrestrial lonely. Highway and they're goofing off the. alien taking videos of each other just. just the typical road trip out to Area. 51 right wi project totally and uh and. then they're goofing off next to the. photographs of the alien in the crash. disc and then they're inside the little. alien and like okay where's this. going and all of sudden and I saw this.

with my own eyes all of a sudden the. car's parked and it's parked out by the. Black Mailbox in the desert and it's. dusk the camera is on the armrest. between the two seats and it's slightly. cocked like it's like it's not level and. it's filming the dashboard and the. screen the the wind screen. windshield and um and there's two guys. in there sounding like you can't see.

them sounding like they're trying to. crawl under the seats I mean they're. freaking out and then one of them goes. it's it's over the top of us it's over. the top of us I'm like damn what is this. video like what am I you know then all. of a sudden the car lights up on the. inside but the source of light is above. it like if you can. imagine never seen anything like this if. you could put a pendulum with a light. source above a vehicle like above the. car like this m but very slow and fluid.

motion like rocking back and forth the. shadows and the lights on the inside of. the car are doing this really eerily. you've never seen anything like it I'm. looking like my God what is going on and. they're very scared and one kid who's. the younger of the two is like I'm. getting out I'm getting out of the car. stay in the car it's over the top stay. in the [ __ ] car he goes no I'm. getting out and he gets. out and he videotapes. a disc that was so low you could have.

hit it with a rock and I'm looking at. this. thing and I'm. like that's what all the witnesses have. tried to describe that's like if you. could. imagine the skin on the. craft glowing like phosphorus on a beach. that's what it looked like like the skin. was alive and it had like um like a. yellowy orange color to it but you could. clearly see it was a disc I mean it was.

not an orb it was a disc but the metal. lit up like it was alive I I'd never see. anything like it and it and it just. wobbled like it was unstable like doing. this and the camera guy goes oh my God. and then something about the batteries. and then boom it shuts. off I looked over at Chuck Clark I said. this is the video everyone's been. waiting for.

unbelievable how do you know this is. real cuz every all my BS meters are. going off right now fair enough I get it. fair enough I saw this video with my own. eyes of course it's a video though yeah. it's a video for sure no question about. it you know they make fake videos. absolutely it was 1995 and they could. have but why would 1995 is harder yeah. what but but why it's never been. released to the public why would you. create a fake video what year did you. see it I saw it like 95 and so it's out. there no it's not it's Chuck Clark's got.

a copy of it the story continues no but. I mean it someone has it oh yeah oh. absolutely I mean in fact if if those. two boys that that shot it are out there. please come forward like please how come. no one's acquired this so so I I said to. Chuck oh my God this is great I can use. this in my in my movie right great he. goes oh no no no they're Terri I said. well look just put me in touch with the. guys you don't have to like give well. wait a minute they're terrified but they.

give it to a guy who lives in a trailer. hey I'm just telling you do you know. what I'm saying though hey I'm really. terrified I don't want this getting out. but I'm going to give it to you get guy. who lives in a trailer I get it what. does this guy do for a living he's a he. was a former military guy and he's he's. retired but just a retired military guy. the trailer this guy's a Fed that that. he doesn't even live. there he probably put on some [ __ ] over. story gets better the story gets better. his name Ray EPS I I know Joe I believe. me I get it but the story gets better.

sit tight okay because I went on a. couple of podcasts and I said screw it I. don't care anymore I saw this video I'm. going to start talking about it Chuck. Clark said if you ask me again after. like 10 years or 12 years I'm never. talking to you again so I was like I of. course asked him again I said I'll give. you 30 grand for the video and he's not. talking to me so I went on like concrete. podcast and I went on this guy Julian. dorian's podcast and I went on a bunch. of other podcasts and I gave the whole. story let's let somebody else pick up. the ball and run with it I'm just. telling you what I saw.

okay I get a I get contacted a couple. years ago by a by a guy who goes I saw. that video too then another guy contacts. me he goes he goes I got I'm a private. investigator and I find people I said. well his name's Chuck Clark go go to it. so he finds him right at that time I'm. going on the impulsive podcast with with. Logan Paul and I tell Logan Paul the. story and he has exactly the same. response you you have and I don't blame.

you okay I'm not here to convince. anybody of anything I'm just telling you. what I saw it was very impressive what I. saw very impressive if it was a fake my. God that was well done bet I mean should. be making movies with Spielberg so. anyway what is this gentleman's name who. has this again Chuck Clark Chuck what. are you doing Chuck well let me finish. so Logan Paul he's like I want to I want. to go to this guy's house I said I got. the guy he's got the. Logan's like this is all behind the.

scenes so Logan Paul takes uh I put him. in touch with this guy and this guy. lives in the middle of nowhere I mean it. was like Logan Paul takes a Mercedes. with a bunch of guys and $100,000 in. cash a big. brick and he goes out to this guy's. house in the middle of the desert and. Logan calls me in the middle of nowhere. and he's like are you sure your. contact's legit dude my phone doesn't. work I'm in the middle of nowhere I got. 100K cash in my pocket I can't find this. guy I said no I'm sure he's good you.

know and uh so Logan goes in there and. meets Chuck Clark and Chuck Clark's like. yeah I got the tape right here and so he. says I'll give you 100 grand for it and. the guy says no way and so Logan Paul. was the reveal this for the first time. Logan Paul has got a button camera on. his on his dress on his clothes so Logan. Paul's like all right well this guy. doesn't want to you know he's going. going to die with it so let's get you.

know let's get this thing on camera so. Logan's like well let me see it at least. so Logan like looks at it with this. thing and oh could you show it to me. again gets another angle gets another. angle and uh and then he leaves so. Logan's like I don't know if I want to. go public I mean I I don't really own. the video I I don't know I seems like a. bit of a gry zone so I said look you. know this is a story that might be of. interest to Bob Lazar because maybe Bob. Lazar could should see this video and he.

could make a determination I'm just. saying or maybe George knap or Jeremy. Corbell might be interested this is not. my domain I'm not a Bob Lazar big guy I. don't know enough about Bob I met Bob. Lazar on the early 90s and he told me I. came up to him at a conference and I. said hey thank you for coming forward. and he said I I didn't have a choice. that was my only I I don't know anything. about the case I know you know way more. than I do about the case but I'm just. saying I'm just putting this out there.

how do I know more about the case than. you well I you literally make. documentaries on UFOs I do but I I I. mean you got one person's account and. it's fascinating and I believe that. Lazar believes what he's saying but I've. talked to George nap about this and. George said same thing I said maybe I. mean just maybe and I'm not out here. attacking Lazar or cor nobody else I'm. just saying maybe he was used as a. disinformation plant that seeds some. real information and some bogus. information just to kind of test the.

waters and the reaction of the public I. I don't know most certainly that's. possible yeah most certainly that's. possible it's not my domain it's also I. would imagine if you're going to give. people access to classified information. like that you'd be very careful and you. would probably add in some stuff that's. not true yes so it doesn't matter. whether or not as long as like they have. a bunch of stuff that's absolutely. provable nonsense yes on top of the. stuff that's probably real then they get. discredited yes which you know I mean.

look there's a lot of weird stuff about. the Bob Lazar story a lot of weird stuff. about it and the the the the one that. sticks in my mind and I know this. probably shouldn't because it's possible. to do is that it's been consistent his. story's been absolutely consistent since. the late 1980s now that's possible to. develop a narrative and if you're. disciplined and he's obviously very. intelligent you could just like craft. the longest con the world has ever known. and make no money from it and turn your.

life upside down and have the feds. search your property which they did it. doesn't make a lot of sense if they. thought that he really was in possession. of element 115 and that there really is. uh a stable version of this element that. we discovered in a particle collider or. we we accurately they predicted it and. then proved it to be real in a particle. collider but that wasn't until like the. the 2000. when was it like when they I want to say.

was it like 2011 when they officially. discovered particle 115 or element 115. but this element He said was stable. wherever these beings are from and they. use it to propel their craft through a a. means of bypassing normal propulsion. systems with some insanely sophisticated. method where they can pick points in. space and they essentially just. instantaneously traversed these points.

in space I brought a photograph with me. of course I left it in the other room. but I'll bring it out at some point and. it was a guy named James kibble he's. Australian and it's about uh 19 it's. April 1966 and the reason why I'm. bringing this up is because I did uh a. segment on a landing case that happened. at westall in 1966 which is a suburb. westall primary school with the suburb. of.

Melbourne Shane Ryan did a film on it I. just covered a section of it in the. phenomenon and during my time in. Australia I'd heard about this guy Jim. kibble James kibble that shot a Polaroid. of a disc a couple of kilometers away. two days prior to the landing at the. school a lot of times when you have. sightings Mass sightings like that. they're in and around the area for. several days so it's very likely that. those two are connected my point is this. according to James kibble and he's in. the film. he said the disc was kind of coming down.

like this over his garden and he had his. Polar ID camera he was going to take. pictures of when you're doing the same. wobbling kind of motion tell you what he. told me yeah he said it was kind of. wobbling down like a leaf kind of and. then uh he was like holy [ __ ] and he. grabbed his uh Polaroid camera and he. said he did it so quickly he smashed it. in his face and he split his nose open. but he snapped one shot and he said what. it did was is it went like this which. the photograph that I have shows it.

sideways and I'll show it to you I've. got it I scanned it from the original. Polaroid and then it shot off and an. unbelievable rate of speed according to. him exactly how Lazar describes how. these things work that's exactly my. point and when I interviewed all the. children now adults that watched this. thing land at this westall Primary. School in. 1966 they said the same thing it was. sitting on the ground they got up to I. think around 10 ft away from it which is. pretty remarkable when you talk to. Witnesses. especially that many witnesses I mean.

there were roughly 300 kids I didn't. meet all 300 of them in the playground. when this happened and including the. science teacher this guy Greenwood which. I got him on camera for the first time. in history in the phenomenon and they. said it got off the ground and then it. went like this it turned like this. turned sideways again and then it shot. off at a high R it's in the movie you. can hear all the testimony same thing. yes and I got a photograph of it like. this I'll show sound and no sound a. slight humming or buzzing zound this is. 1966 so and I'm G to get to this later.

we can go back to moment of contact but. I'm gonna make the. argument that sum and I cannot emphasize. how many times we need to underline the. word sum UFOs. UAP originate from a non-human. intelligence and I'll start off in 45. and I'll take us up to modern day just a. handful of cases that I am I have. personally investigated I have. personally met the witnesses gone to.

their houses dating back to 45 47 52 57. 55 60s 64 like all these cases okay so. basically what I'm going to do is we all. know we know that the vast majority of. these cases can be explained in. conventional terms all this noise about. Chinese balloons and uh weather balloons. and that's all noise it's obious and. noise yeah we know that all that stuff.

exists but what about the core 5 or 10%. of cases and I'm going to give you some. samples today that truly after extensive. and exhaustive investigation not because. of a lack of data that that defy a. conventional explanation and those are. the cases that I'll share with you today. when we're ready but we can go back to. moment of contact if you want let's go. right into you want to go right into it. so excited you got me so pumped up let's. do it let's do it here it is um oh you. got it got it that's the photo I got a. much better copy uh outside but see the.

way it turn sideways now let me tell you. if you ever see a photograph of a UFO. and I've talked to NASA analysis about. this and it's has a clearly defined Edge. it's probably a fake they somehow they. have something to do with a it's blurred. around the edges they don't get they. can't get a crisp photograph of a. photograph they think it has something. to to do with the propulsion but again. that's not me saying this that makes. sense if there's some sort of a field. around it I have a much better copy. outside but yeah this gives you an.

example you have a much better copy than. this I do I scan it from the original. it's in my bag go get the bag should I. go get it get the B I'll go get it right. now sorry The Bag. Man oh it's right there exciting sorry. about that keep that up on the screen. please Jamie can I see the full the full. how it's okay here it is look at this. It's oddly centered this is it's perfect. sent to me this is sent to me by the guy. who shot the Polaroid okay there's his. handwriting this came from Australia. boom. here it is check it out and see the way.

it sideways like that. yeah I'm got to put on my old man. glasses yeah I know right I got mine. too and we can get. into we can get. into my argument that I'm going to put. forth as if I'm presenting a case to a. jury see my my number one problem always. with these things is that I want it to. be true so bad that I worry that my. rational logical mind.

ignores all the possibilities of it. being [ __ ] don't look at anyone. particular case what you have to do I. mean I'm looking at like this this photo. that's pretty good that's the same one. that's the same photo so does that look. like that though you got to look at it. like do it again yeah feels similar bro. it's a bell it's a school bell 's up. itches that's what they're s that's what. it tell us time up humans what you can't. base this stuff on any James he proved.

it it's over you can't up Jamie Jamie's. on the case hey all I could take all I. could say is that you talk to the. witnesses I think if you picked that up. there's a hamburger underneath it that's. what I think it's like a fancy. restaurant hamburger M your meal sir m. is you know the kind where they don't. put the the bun together you got to do. it together yourself the burgers just. sitting there but you you you can't you. look at the propep of eyewitness. testimony from around the world right.

you don't look at any one particular. case you look at one particular case you. think I see some cracks in that Cas I. get it I get probably one of them Lids. someone of them food Lids that's what. I'm talking that's what it is it's 100%. we cracked the case. yeah so food. lid the Burger's underneath it you can. see the top thing well Jamie that's the. propulsion system you fool don't you. understand UFO physics I don't know. which way it's going in the photo that's. the way it's going that way. I don't know which way it's going is.

going that way or this way you could. pull up uh McMinville Oregon uh 1950. Evelyn and Paul Trent pretty good. photographs of discs in broad daylight. yeah they're pretty good what what is it. again McMinville Oregon 1950 Evelyn and. her husband Paul Trent snapped I think. three two or three photographs of a disc. in broad daylight you know I know Barney. Hill's uh granddaughter that's. incredible yeah she fights in the UFC. she a badass heard about that Angela. Hill she was on the podcast and she told. me about that after we got off the air. I'm like what I almost wanted I should.

have brought her right back in look at. that oh there's a better one hold on uh. it's a hubc nope it's uh definely that. one there that's good that's yeah that's. pretty good that one over there's a I've. got that extremely high resolution but. you've got two eyewitnesses never made a. dime out of the story it's been analyzed. to death show me that hubcap one that oh. that one that's that's 196 no that's. that's Rex hefin no look at. that's Rex Hein Santa Ana California and.

there are several Polaroids from Rex. Heflin you can look up Rex hefin it's a. pretty damn good case all jokes aside. how many of these do you think are fake. well I'm showing you the ones that I. that have been scrutinized to death and. uh no one has made any serious uh claims. of of being a hoax on the cases that I'm. giving you right now so that image right. there could you bring me that again. Jamie that image right there it's like I. feel like someone could fake but you got. to listen you got to listen to the.

testimony of Evelyn Trent and her. husband Paul and you got to listen to. the analysis that Conan committee did on. this and blue on the photograph yeah. what did they say about the photograph. well here's the thing everybody's like. okay I witness testimony is not good. enough no it's I'm not saying that I. think listen if you had a unique. experience if you were out in the desert. and you're driving to Nevada and all of. a sudden your engine lights went off. Clos your counters of the Third Kind. style and you got out and there was a. [ __ ] dip. and it it hovered over you for a second.

and it took off at an insane rate of. speed and you're just left there alone. with this memory yeah I I sympathize. with those people because in the vast. universe that we exist in it's entirely. possible that something like that has. the power to get here it's entirely. possible also people are full of [ __ ]. there's a lot of people that are full of. [ __ ] no question that's that's part of. my problem my problem is not that I. don't believe my problem is I don't. believe people that much and I do.

believe some people and there's some. sincere people and that's one of my. problems with Bob Lazar I believe Bob. Lazar when I talk to that guy I I like. what you say I believe he believes what. he's saying and there's something to. that I but I also think God if you. wanted to get someone that you could. easily discredit if you had a propulsion. system that was baffling you and you had. some wizard who likes to make hydrogen. powered Corvettes and he put a rocket. engine in the back of a Honda did you. ever see that I did he's a psycho like. so he's a guy who understands propulsion.

systems he's clearly brilliant he listen. to the guy talk he's off the charts. intelligent yeah and you would say let's. bring the [ __ ] psycho over here let's. let's have that guy go down there this. guy's out there in the [ __ ] desert. shooting AK-47s and [ __ ] he's a wild man. right so you bring that guy and you tell. him hey tell us what this is go to work. and he's walking around there and he's. like what the [ __ ] is this like that's. the kind of guy you'd if you were at the. the end of your rope yeah if you know if.

especially if you're a brilliant person. if you're a brilliant person and you. happen to be a general or happen to be. someone who's in charge over there and. you are thinking like we got to look. outside the box like we got to do. something we got to bring in other. perspectives and you got to bring in. someone that's not going to be able to. communicate with other scientists this. is part of the problem you can't share. data they can't they can't peer review. with other scientists all over the world. because it's top secret [ __ ] so. everything has to stay within this small.

group very small group of people and. none of them are cracking it all of them. they bring in they're [ __ ] stunned. and baffled so you keep funneling new. people in they do experiments something. blows up some people die you're like. okay try some more what else you got oh. you got this guy at Los Almos lab he. puts [ __ ] rocket engines the back of. Hondas and he's a propulsions expert. he's kind of nuts but maybe bring him in. yeah so uh I'll get back to my domain. because I this is the stuff that I know. and I know primarily cuz I went and.

interviewed the witnesses I just went. off on a t you know it's all good I'm in. a I'm in a bazard day okay I just don't. know the case well enough to comment on. it I mean more than that the reason why. I shared that that video story is not. because I'm sitting there telling you. that's definitive piece of evidence that. the world's been waiting for but it's. very compelling it's never been released. and I'm giving you guys a lead on that. this guy has it Logan Paul so Logan Paul. just put it out on your podcast he might. do that so guy sues you the money that. you'd make from having that releasing it.

would probably be way worth it you know. and I hope if if if the two guys that. shot it one was 19 the other guy was. close to 30 so if those guys are still. alive they lived in Los Angeles and. they're definitely still alive yeah they. should those guys are still alive let's. put together a documentary cont well I'd. like to see the original tape cuz it's. going to be a lot better conditioned. than an old VHS tape tell these. gentlemen I'll get you on the podcast. come on so tell the story contact me at. James C box oh don't put your email what.

you crazy no it wasn't that was my. Twitter oh okay yeah just my Twitter my. Twitter good Lord sir no I made a. mistake in doing that one time on Larry. King live oh no how many dickpics did. you get. any I was so inundated I I I could not. believe I was like what was I thinking. yeah there's probably like millions of. people watching my Lord it was crazy. anyway and the people about when it. comes to UFOs people are very passionate.

absolutely so let me get back to my. argument because AR from 1945 forward. yeah let's go am I correct and this is. one of the things that I've always heard. is that after the bombs were dropped yes. that's when the UFO started showing well. that's when the activity certainly. heightened and yeah so is there any. indication. that they were directly connected other. than the fact that they just show up was. there was there ever any so I'll.

testimony I'll tell you I'll tell you. how it organically Came Upon my. attention I was working with this guy. Lance m i was one of the editors that. was working on the Phenomenon with me. and uh we were doing this archive from a. guy this guy named David marlor has got. this incredible Archive of UFO material. dating right back to the 40s all the way. to modern day newspaper headlines audio. recordings statements broadcast unbeliev. the biggest archetype you could spend. the rest of your life in there. so he gave me a bunch of stuff that was.

uh uh archive interviews of primarily. people at White Sands hen Air Force Base. different areas in Texas and uh I was. just putting in in kind of like a little. Montage in the piece of just giving the. illustration that these things are going. on kind of all over and my buddy goes. hey man let's let's put a map on the. wall and put pins in the map for all. these different locations so I was like. oh okay sure let's do that so we put a. map on the wall in the edit room when. we're doing the phenomenon. and we were putting pins in and we. looked at each other after like a day or.

two we were like look at proximity to. Trinity site wow even sakuro White Sands. this place in Texas like that's kind of. unusual we're kind of scratching our. heads do you think there's a correlation. so anyway we didn't really take it much. further than that but we definitely took. notice and then I met with Senator Harry. Reid thank you George naap for helping. make that happen uh former Senate. Majority Leader Harry Reid who started. the atip program. and and during the interview I I didn't.

think about asking them this but at the. end and he had like I'll be I'll have 47. minutes with you and then I got to go. and he's got all the security guards and. big guys with th earpieces looking at me. and I said well sir would you mind if we. could um do a quick walk and talk he. goes yeah I'll give you 45 seconds so I. figured well while I'm walking with. Senator Reed I'm going to ask him what. was one of the more astonishing aspects. of the phenomenon that they uncovered. during this Pentagon UFO program and. right away without hesitation he goes. the fact that there are incursions over.

our nuclear missile facilities nuclear. armed facilities uh that is of of great. concern just that was a shocking aspect. of the phenomenon and I thought back to. that MTH that we done in the edit room. so I was like I got I got to go back to. the drawing board so I spent a year I. contacted this guy named Robert Hastings. who's the the the guy who wrote the book. on the connection between UFOs and nukes. what is the book uh his name is Robert. Hastings um um UFOs in nukes I think but.

in any case I contacted him and he's. like oh I've I'm not doing too well I. got this heart condition I tell you what. you can have all my archives all the. videos that I shot so I went through all. of it and I put together just like a. five or 10 minute segment in the. phenomenon that connection and you got. all these like missile control launch. officers and people at malstrom Air. Force Base Min not Air Force Base. talking about these incredible. incursions and keep in mind you're. talking about people that we entrusted. with the secure like SEC securement and.

and and deployment of nuclear weapons. okay so if these guys are lying that's a. problem and if these guys are. hallucinating when they've got nuclear. weapons at their disposal that's. terrifying and it's happening all over I. mean there is I don't I've got at least. 15 or 20 of these guys testifying and. Robert Hon's got a bunch more my point. is there is a there does seem to be a. connection. I interviewed this guy Robert.

Salis Robert Salas was the lieutenant. Robert Salis launch control officer. United States Air Force has this. incredible encounter in in. malstrom his people do and UFO cited a. disc and then his nuke start shutting. down he said to me I'll never forget. this and this is like 2002 this is part. of out of the blue he goes well James. very calm you could see why he was a. launch control officer very measured. everything everything that came out of. his mouth was calm and measured he goes.

well James the way I see it it's kind of. like taking matches out of the hands of. a. baby whoa yeah whoa right well that. makes sense so there's a preponderance. of testimony from these guys and they're. testifying right now to Arrow Sean. kpatrick but we can get back to what. does Arrow stand for look it up it's an. acronym it's it's the new UAP task force. there's there was uh there was oap then. it went to a tip then it went to UAP. task force then it went to why they keep.

changing the name I know they keep. changing the name may like a rebranding. or something do it's uh all domain. anomaly resolution office did you see. the the the photo that I posted on. Instagram of the story of the guy from. space force yeah that says we may be. facing threats outside this world what. the [ __ ] does that mean I just don't. even want to spend any time space force. boss acknowledges the US will begin. facing threats outside of Earth what the.

hell are you saying what are you saying. man what does that mean can I can I read. a statement that can I ask you one. question because we're on the still on. the subject of the nuclear basis this is. this is exactly this is relevant to this. how many of them were there how many. different sightings were at these. missile bases and in areas where they're. testing NES there are a lot of cases I. think cases in just about all the uh. installation in the United States I mean. Robert H's I mean every installation in.

the United States has cases I I can't. say that definitively a lot of them a. lot of them I put 15 20 25 let me give. you another. example Joint. Base uh renon Forest December. 1980 it's a joint British US base it's. called the r randlesome Forest incident. there was a landing December 1980 you've. got Jim peniston John Burrows and this.

guy Ed cabansag thinking that like. something crashed in the forest or. something they went out to investigate. and there's an object sitting on the. forest floor it's a it's a kind of like. a triangular-shaped object and it's dark. it's warm to the touch and they sat with. it on the ground gaban sag act acted. like as a relay between the base and. where this object had sit on the ground. Jim penison took photographs of it he. had his uh log book he wrote down the. symbols that were on the craft which are. crazy and um then the deputy based.

Commander Colonel Charles halt I. interviewed him he had uh cuz sightings. can happen over a period uh of a week or. more a lot of times when you get these. Mass sightings and even the deputy base. commander Colonel Charles H became a. witness he was skeptical then he too. became a witness and he said that these. objects there's a recording of him while. it's happening it's out there in the in. The Ether were shooting beams of light. down in the weapon storage area that was. December. 1980 um phenomenal case the reyal forest.

incident these are like the cases what. did this object look like it was a. triangular-shaped object not that big I. don't know maybe 6 feet high and it was. black and he said it was warm to the. touch and it didn't make any sound very. little sound and then it lifted off this. the forest floor maneuvered up through. the trees and shot off at a high rate of. speed now these are people that are. responsible for the security of our. nuclear weapons saying this the deputy. based Commander Colonel Charles halt. saying this. Gordon Williams the general of the.

entire base I interviewed him as well he. talks about how the fact that this got. out it was a memo that was written by. wut Bas Commander Colonel Charles H that. leaked and the whole story got out but. those are the cases that I'm talking. about that represent that five or 10%. core that that cannot be explained away. in conventional terms defy after. exhausted research I mean Nick Pope. talks about it at the mod he. investigated because it took place in. England he said there were radiation. readings at the Landing site did these. the crafts that happened at the Bas do.

they have photograph of these things. well Jim penderson says that he took. photographs and then they said the. photographs didn't come out that's what. they told. him so he took photographs to get. developed and then when they developed. them they said they said to him yes yeah. so most likely they just said so then. and then uh one of the things that. Colonel Charles halt said the deputy. base commander is that a plane came in. and there was some unknown government US. agency I know you guys probably thinking. I'm crazy now but don't take it from me. I'm just telling you what they told me. okay okay that that they came in and.

kind of sanitized the whole the whole. case but that's a very good case and. it's one of the the top cases that is. extremely it's been investigated in. England it's been investigated in the. United States and all a lot of the. witnesses have come forward on the. record so it's quite possible that. somewhere in some archive this photo. exists or some photos exist okay so but. here's the question if the if the. government keeps coming out and telling. us us that you know we may begin to face.

threats from outside of this world if. they're telling us that you know like. when they're discussing these things. they behave in a way that we can't. describe and no propulsion systems that. we know of they're telling us all this. why wouldn't they release all that other. stuff too why would wouldn't they. release those photographs for us what's. in it for them well what's in it for. them to tell us about it in the first. place well they're not what's in it for. them to even admit what I mean just the. the way they're addressing it now think. that there was a sudden Epiphany with. the US government that they wanted to be.

more transparent and they wanted the the. general public to know more about this. phenomenon right that is not what. happened what happened is a couple of. insiders in December of of of of. 2017 walked some evidence out of atib. found a loophole and put it on the front. page of the New York Times leakers who. did hell yeah it was leakers that did. that yes it was Christopher melon okay I. actually got a phone call when the film. was coming out and I got a phone call.

from Leslie Kane and she goes. Christopher melon told you that he was. the one that walked the footage out of. the Pentagon I said yeah it's on. camera he she goes I can't believe that. he didn't even want that in the New York. Times like how you know I said I don't. know he just he just said it and that's. what happened it wasn't like suddenly. the the government had this Epiphany so. now they can't put the genie back in the. bottle now you got the David frers right. David frers encounter is phenomenal yeah. oh come on yeah I mean it's got. photographic evidence that Tic Tac I was.

investigating a landing case it's a core. New Mexico it it was April 24th. 1964 so I spent five years on this case. it was the case that turned around Dr. jayen heinik Dr jayen heinik. investigated UFO reports for the United. States Air Force as a scientific adviser. for from 47 to. 69 he's the one that coined all the the. term Close Encounter of the first kind. Close Encounter of the second time the.

second kind Close Encounter of the Third. Kind. okay Close Encounter of the first kind. is when you see a UFO At Close Range. close en counter the second time you see. a UFO and somehow it interacts with the. environment whether like Richard dord. face got burnt or it leaves marks on the. ground or it burns trees whatever the. propulsion affects something close. encounter with the Third Kind and this. is coming out of Air Force Project Blue. Book's own files this is not me saying. this Close Encounter of the Third Kind. is when be beans are reported by the. witnesses so beans are associated with.

the craft are reported one of the best. most well-documented cases in US history. took place at Sor New Mexico April 24th. 1964 at 5:00 with a police officer that. was on duty by the name of lonni Zamora. the best case in US history the best. documented case the first military. officer uh to arrive on the scene got. there the the the bushes were still. smoking I mean the imprints in the. ground of the craft the Footprints they. got diagrams of this stuff and I spent 5.

years going back and forth to score New. Mexico I got to know the wife Mary I got. to know the daughter Diane the son. Michael his co-workers I went to the. National Archives with Ray Stanford he. wrote the book on it Coral saucer in a. pentagon Pantry phenomenal case and what. I. learned was that the. um the Air Force according to his own. lora's family told his daughter this I. have this on camera the Air Force wanted.

him desperately not to talk about the. beans they do they discouraged him to. talk about the beans and I tell you why. it's one thing when you see an object. unknown object like David fraver saw up. in the sky exhibiting a technology that. seems to defy conventional propulsion. and it's another thing altogether when. you've got beans on the ground the Air. Force didn't want him talking about that. and that was one thing that his daughter. and his wife told me clearly and his.

wife said what Lonnie was never the same. after that that case but so what did. Lonnie see Lonnie saw two beans the base. of a of an egg-shaped craft that was. landed in an Ayo in Sor New Mexico in. broad daylight Lonnie looked out the. window of his patrol car he saw. something that caught his eye and then. this object. landed he drove he was actually in Hot. Pursuit at the time he gave up pursuit. to go investigate what was going going. on and he sees this object on the on the. on the in the aoya in the desert on the.

ground it's such a well documented case. and he rolls down his car window and. he's looking out and he's going did am I. looking at like a an overturned car what. the hell am I looking at and then he. sees two little figures he said they. were childlike at the base of the craft. and one of them locked eyes with him and. uh his wife said he was never the same. after that but um how did he describe. them what they look said they were child. were small childlike it's small and had.

white coveralls tight coveralls this is. a close encounter of the Third Kind what. they say their faces look like I he. didn't give a lot of detail I've got the. only so I went to Lonnie's house I got. to know his his wife quite well Lonnie. had passed a couple years prior to that. and I I don't know how far down the. rabbit hole you want to go in this case. cuz we could talk on this case for 3. hours but whatever um I can tell you. that I got access to he had this black. duffel bag and it was with his wife's. permission he had kept all the original.

newsprints from like the articles that. had come out and that's where I got the. details and he also talked about it in. some recordings that I got from his. family and other researchers it's in the. movie The phenomenon and um that's where. I got the primary description because. the it was Richard T holder was the. first military officer on the scene the. FBI got involved later and and and uh. how long was that thing sitting out. there for uh the object was sitting on. the ground not for very long just a few. minutes Lonnie saw the. beans and he went like around to get a.

closer look I mean he was like what the. hell am I looking at and he he drove his. car around to get a closer look and he. lost contact with for a second while he. drove around to get a closer look now. he's within 50 ft of this egg thing. sitting on the ground and he gets out of. the patrol car it starts uh it it starts. making some weird noise and it has a. blue flame that comes out and he said it. was it was not like a like a rocket. flame where it would hit the ground and. dust everything up but it pierced the.

ground like a knife through warm butter. and and then when it got about 20 ft off. the ground it went completely silent. with no flame no nothing you can hear a. pin drop there was a symbol on the side. of the craft it was in yellow and it was. about 3T tall and it was a like a V like. this two lines and a line on top and um. let's get a photo of that uh symbol that. that he recreated yeah you'll see you'll. see you'll see fake symbols because. Richard T holder asked him to draw a. different symbol I actually have the. original symbol um on a document from Dr.

H why did someone ask him to draw a fake. symbol because he said that if if. anybody else claimed to see the same. craft with that symbol they would. immediately be able to identify a hster. oh so which was the real one the real. one is that one right there with the two. lines in that upside down V right there. that's the real one that's the real one. yeah and I've got the document in Dr. jayen heck's own handwriting Ray. Stanford and I went to the National. Archives and found it it was a huge find. so they did that on purpose just in case. some copycat people started coming up.

with he did Richard T holder and I met. Richard T holder's two kids and talked. to them about it I I talked to his wife. about it and they said yeah he was he. was told that's not the genuine that's. the one right there right there that. you're looking at that's the real one no. question so anyway my point is so he. drew is that his handwritten note over. there that shows it yeah that's yeah. that's definitely I've actually had I. actually found the original one of those. there's that's it that's the document. that that I found with Ray Stanford at. the national archives in 2013 this is in.

Dr heck's own. handwriting in close suggest any. resemblance to the and he draws the. symbol of sakuro maybe we've yeah I mean. it was kind of Genius move quite. honestly so this was the case that. turned JL and hanik so yeah so what. happened was jacqu fet was it right so. that's what it looked like similar so. similar to a Tic Tac yeah that's what it. looked like but when it got when it got. to about 20 ft off the ground it went. complet completely silent no blue flame. nothing the landing gear was retracted.

it was just an egg and it it floated off. in the distance and actually Lonnie I've. got a I've got an interview with Lonnie. where he says that one of the officers. who arrived on the scene um actually saw. it fly off off in the distance and it. was witnessed by other people in the. town that saw this thing flying didn't. the the Tic Tac the people who saw the. Tic Tac including Commander favor didn't. he say that they some sort of uh thing. that almost looked like landing gear. noed out in the front of it or something. I don't know but but apparently the.

video I think it was according to fraver. the video is the one that's been out is. a lot the resolution is a lot worse than. than what other people had seen at the. time I remember pretty sure David fraver. said that to me goe oh yeah so I I just. I so I just recently went I'm filming a. new Dock and I went to Washington DC for. a month to get kind of caught up on. what's been happening because A lot's. been happening while I'm doing moment of. contact there's an unprecedent Ed effort. in Washington DC to push for further.

government. transparency Marco Rubio uh Senator Jill. brand uh Andre Carson representative. Andre Carson who got the Congressional. hearings that happened last year uh GGO. representative gyo and Gallagher all. been involved and others and so I got. introduced some intelligence folks on. the inside and they wanted me to read. this to your audience okay okay and this. is about evidence okay so and this was. in pretty much a re reaction to the. latest hearing that happened with Jilla.

brand just a couple of days ago or last. week I will remain. anonymous but I've been monitoring the. UFO and I met this guy I know this guy. this guy's legit the UFO UAP activity. and the authorities response to them I. can assure you there's a lot more. evidence behind the curtain that hasn't. been released first our military are and. have been seeing remarkable things in. the sky in the oceans and on the land. for years of those reported where does. all this information get stored.

authorities would have you believe that. this data is destroyed but unique data. is stored somewhere to be reviewed later. and as someone that is seen the. classified Holdings I am very. disappointed in the fact that Dr. kpatrick showed some of the most mundane. videos to the public I do understand. that there are security factors to be. considered so I'm hoping that Senator. gilbran saw something much more. interesting in her closed door hearing. with katrick and why did only two. senators show up for the hearing have.

they lost faith in katrick already I. applaud Senator Gill's efforts to find. the truth but I am more sure than ever. that kpatrick is not the one interesting. so he's withholding some information. yeah these people went on camera for me. it's going to be released when the time. is right but I've got yeah again it's. one of those things conveniently like. Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie. Brown it's right when you get close it's. so frustrating I can only imagine so. frustrating Christopher melon said that.

there's very high resolution photographs. so he now has a he just he just met with. me in DC and he's now told me that there. is satellite data and the only reason. why he talked about it is because. Ratcliffe mentioned it so he's like well. Ratcliff mentioned it so I'll mention. the fact that Ratcliff mentioned it it's. satellite data and I was like well how. how good are the photographs I want to. know so bad you know me like come on. I've been looking at this for 30 years. yeah how good are the photographs he. goes James 4K just think about as good.

as you can imagine of craft and to know. that and I spoke to five other people. that are part of the program or or had. the top secret the clearances to access. to this and they all. confirmed and it's like they're just on. the other side of that curtain could. like could somebody just get those out. here please please do you think we're. closer than ever to those things being. leaked I think that if we keep the. pressure on I think it's it's very. important one of the things that. concerns me a little bit is that.

sometimes they could leak something that. looks amazing right and then you put. your fingerprints all over it and you. send it out into the ether and then it's. appr proven gets debunked right so you. got to be kind of careful if you don't. know Providence and so I would imagine. they would do stuff like that on purpose. oh these guys are so smart they're like. five steps ahead of us you know so but. you know I know what I know not because. I read it out of a book but I actually. went into the field I mean I travel I'm. not trying to toot my own horn but I was. interviewing generals and cosmonauts in.

Russia back in the late 90s I went to. China I went to Australia I went to. Africa I went to Russia as I was just. saying all across Europe I really want. to know like I'm so curious and I like. to go to location I like to like I give. you an. example I found out in China just a. couple years ago there's a case that. happened in 1994 the same time as Rua. called mjag Gua in the black forest of. China and these guys in the middle of. nowhere relay the same telepathic. message that the children received in Ru.

Zimbabwe in in in uh 1994 at Ariel. school and by the way I I did include a. piece of that in the film that I did. with the with the girls I don't know. it's only like 10 minutes long quite. fascinating that's a damn good case. that's in one of the 10% cases that I. talk about but there's a film out now I. think it's called aerial phenomenon and. it's all just about that case but um. those are the should we get back to like. to to 45 and work my way up or you want. to talk a little bit about moment of.

contact we can moment of contact is the. case that could settle this debate once. and for all or let's tease people for a. bit with moment of contact because it is. an amazing amazing documentary I won't. go detail I won't go into any details. I'll just say this I will I put my. reputation on the line for this I get it. it sounds so spectacular it sounds so. unbelievable but when you watch the. documentary it sounds less spectac well. similarly spectacular but more.

believable so here's it here's here's. the point okay it's either the most. elaborate complex hoax that involves. half the town of Virginia think there's. like 130,000 people living there I mean. i' go down to the town square and just. start talking to people I did it in the. movie and you everybody's got a little. piece of the puzzle most people have a. piece of the puzzle it's phenomenal or a. UFO crashed live aliens were recovered. and the American I was captured by the. the Brazilian authorities and the. Americans stepped in and flew some of.

that back to the United States and. that's when the case goes. cold there's no in between that's. definitely the sexiest version well yeah. there's no there's no in between but. speak of the sexiest versions this is a. I was looking up the thing in '94 in. China and stumbled across this oh good. yeah that's what I was saying the most. bizarre contact in China occurred in. June 7 1994 when how do you say his name. mjag Gua mjag Gua of Phoenix Mountain Fu. how do you say that fu. fujan fujan Province Province met a.

female alien first there was electricity. between them then things got Amorous. according to mang the female alien. looked like a white monster she was very. tall about 2.5 meters and wore tight. clothes with only her big eyes and. private parts exposed she did something. to him that felt like an electric shock. and he passed out when he came round he. found several scars on his body. according to woo she planted some. something mung beans sized in his body. into his body things were about to get.

even stranger mang had sexual. intercourse with the female alien she. suddenly fell down on him he could. hardly move his penis felt hot then achd. the experience was more pleasurable than. anything he had ever felt that's him. yeah they gave him a li detector test. and he passed it I it doesn't hear about. that aspect of the encounter I heard. pass those especially crazy people yeah. I I did not hear about that aspect of it. but any and I didn't go but my point is. that D is banging aliens respect respect.

respect that it takes a lot of Courage. but I I was very attracted to the Avatar. lady the big blue one that saves him. she's hot so she's hot we we we'll go. back here let's let's go let's go I. think just hot let's go back because I. [ __ ] switch right over to that I I. am here so we'll get back to moment of. contact I want to say the last thing. with moment of contact then we'll get. back to these other.

cases it's either the case we've all. been waiting for the case that could. settle the debate once and for all right. if it's true could you think of a more. extraordinary let's just say. hypothetically for a moment it happened. as all the witnesses stated it happened. how big of a story do you think that is. it's an immense story because it means. that they're real if it's true that it. means they're real it means something. that we don't understand was in the sky. got got hit by lightning got caught up. in a a furious lightning storm and wound.

up crashing and that these things. survived and they got out and the fact. that one guy handled one of them and got. this in insane infection and died very. quickly afterwards and he was very young. and healthy military man and the fact. that all these people have the same. story they all the same depiction of the. disc the the craft they have the same. depictions of seeing these beings not. one witness came to us we had to track.

down every one of those Witnesses and. there's a story behind each and every. one of them that I could go on for an. hour for I'm sure I won't bore you with. the details but suffice you wouldn't. bore me bro we got a gravity bong over. there we could be here for. days oh my go I'll be like I know but. there's nothing that goes better than. marijuana and Aliens when I went every. time I'd get back from Brazil I'd get. home and people and I'm out there for a. month knocking on doors talking to. Witnesses chasing people down trying to. convince them to come forward like crazy.

yeah this is not like a a a quick. venture to make this documentary 12. years that's insane and so wow and so. I'd come home from a trip in Brazil and. I'm telling you man it was like my mind. was just torqued I was so I'm in another. alternate reality I'm thinking oh my God. I'm coming to the realization that this. [ __ ] happened when that man takes you. to the spot. gets overwhelmed with emotion he was. gone for 25 years Marco Leal thank you.

Marco and and Co I we don't have a story. we got to find we got to find Carlos tza. yeah unless that guy is a Daniel de. Lewis quality actor we don't need Brad. Pit anymore nor Leonardo DiCaprio this. guy that guy if he's full of [ __ ] best. actor he's one of the best actors ever. because that moment when he gets to that. spot and he's overwhelmed with emotion. he starts tearing up and and he's. freaking out like just imag imagine if. 25 years ago you experienced something. that literally destroyed your.

understanding of life itself in the. universe that there's a thing out there. that can visit us that's different than. us and it's probably been here forever. my DP David West has been shooting for. over 40 years and he's like I've never. seen anything like that that guy was. that's about as legit as I've ever seen. the guy he was so believable crying and. I mean not only that but it's like the. guy disappeared he's never made a dime. off this he gave one. statement 26 years ago to a guy named. clodio kovo clodio kovo was a engineer.

and he was a researcher UFO researcher. in Brazil thank you may you rest in. peace clodio kovo and there was a guy. named uberjar Rodriguez he was a a. prominent lawyer he's also investigated. the case we wouldn't know about this. case if it hadn't been for a handful of. dogged Brazilian UFO researchers pekachi. deserves credit uh this guy named um. Marco PTI. um AJ javard these Virginia is 15,000.

it's about 130,000 I think so it's like. Boulder Colorado sized yeah and uh the. surrounding areas but you know I I I was. going to include like maybe like a like. I did with Rua in the phenomenon I was. going to include like five or 10 minutes. of that case in the and I just I worked. so hard for so long with so many people. and then I just deleted the whole thing. out of the out of the film and I was. like oh God mark is going to kill me. when he sees this that I just didn't. include any of it because I just. couldn't squeeze it in and there was too.

much it was just too much well I'm glad. you did it that way honestly because. moment of contact is it's it it's really. good there's a few of these. documentaries that I go God I shut them. off and I. go if that's real holy [ __ ] imagine. being those people imagine being these. people in this small city of 150,000. people and then something happens and a. [ __ ] UFO cra crashes in a field and. people witness it and everyone is just. stuck there then the military shuts the.

town down can you see this yes this is. Brigadier Jose Carlos Pereira of the. Brazilian Air Force okay I met with him. with Marco on two. occasions the second occasion was in. front of that camera might be right. would it be better camera Jose no worse. worse okay this is Jose you can look him. up Jose Carlos Perera Brigadier. Brazilian Air Force okay so Marco and I. met with him twice the second time was.

2013 he gave us an interview some of. it's in the film and uh he say like I'll. talk about the 1986 UFOs over Brazil. I'll talk about the kadus case that. happened in the 70s phenomenal. photographic evidence that's out there. you asked me about Virginia and this. interview is terminated whoa It's like. what what do you mean terminated like. really so anyway we do the interview and. I was like well I'm not going to ask him. I guess but when the camera stopped. rolling I was like please I mean Marco.

and I were begging and pleading with. this guy and I remember looked him dead. Square in the. eyes I said I I swear on my life there. are no recording devices there are no. you know cameras rolling please tell us. about Virginia why did you have that. reaction to Virginia Marco was too we. were begging him I was practically. licking this guy's boots and he's. getting prepared to leave and he's got a. driver waiting for him outside so we're. following and pleading with them all the. way out there please just tell us please. I swear on my life this happened he gets.

in the car doors open he looks up at. only reason why I'm telling you this cuz. he died he looks up at Marco and I and. he goes it happened closed the door and. off he went now the reason why I share. that is because that's not something. that I can put any weight on for the. documentary for people like you right. but as a personal message for me knowing. that level of validation on the inside. it kept us going it was like okay why on.

Earth would he have done that why on. Earth would he say and that kept Marco. and I going and that was a personal. level of validation that is there any. conventional explanation why the. military shut everything down why they. had military barricades set up around. that. area no they did try to say that the. creature was this guy who's like got. like some deformities uh but I've seen. the guy Modine or something like that. but you talk to the witnesses why would. the why would the military shut the town.

down because of a guy with deformities. and then for the doctors in the hospital. they said oh there was a like a [ __ ]. having a baby or something weird just. something that was just so ridiculous it. was like and you talk to the witnesses. and they're just like oh come on I'm not. even going to you know that's laughable. at best you know I mean these. girls came within 8 to 10 ft three three. women Katya to two sisters liliani and. valkiria 14 16 and 21 they got within 8.

to 10 ft in broad daylight of this. creature and one of the things that. doesn't come across in the. film when they saw this thing they're. looking like what are we looking at here. they're walking through this field and. it's up against a cinder block wall and. one of them looking at is that a what is. that and it was crouched by the wall it. was weak and feeble and uh one of them. kind of like. screeched like what is that and it. turned. and it looked right at the girls locked. eyes on them Liliana grabs her younger.

daughter her younger sister who's 14. valkaria and makes a high tails it out. of there Kata is 21 she's Frozen in her. tracks locked eyes with this creature. and it's communicating with her please. help me I'm he wants help it's we it's. weak and it's feeble and it's scared and. it's crouched. down liliani realizes that katata is. back there she gets I don't know 100. feet down the path she leaves her sister. stay here I'm going back to get Kata she.

runs back and I asked Kia and I asked. all the. girls during that moment of contact when. you lock eyes I know it's only a brief. second but during that moment of contact. what did you feel like put me there. that's where the title comes from moment. of contact because that was when they. locked eyes on this creature and that's. when Kya said help me I'm scared and it. was feeble and suffering and it's it's a. very powerful moment and and. and these girls have been saying the. same thing the mother it's the first. time I'd ever reported on these.

so-called like men in dark suits that. show up and intimidate Witnesses do. honestly I've been hearding about those. cases for so many times but I've avoided. them because it's got so much baggage. from Men In Black it just it's just. ridiculous I just didn't even want to be. associated with it but I'd heard it I. can go on until I'm blue in the face I. go till tomorrow morning with the amount. of cases with generals. too but this time when the mother said. that these men showed up and tried to. get the the daughters to say they were. lying and offered her a briefcase full. of $100 bills and they could.

relocate um I don't know for some reason. I said okay for the first time in 25. years I'm going to report on these guys. and I did and it's in the movie you can. hear the mother talking about it and. she's so emotional and the mother CES. back to the location whereever happened. the smell that stench and the foot pin. on the ground I mean everybody talks. about that stench that was so they said. if you ever take like a a skunk multiply. that by like a 100,000 that would give. you some indication of the level of like. how putrid and nasty it was paralyzing.

and it stayed in like it stayed in the. areas like at the hospitals when they. did the x-rays and everybody talks about. it that stench they're like this is. unbelievable like it fills your Naval. cavities and doesn't leave for a week it. was incredible and then they all said. the same thing and they couldn't get it. out they couldn't get it out yeah they. sanitized the hospital the guy said that. he had to close off that Wing in the. hospital while they were sanitizing it. cuz it was so intense you know so. I I how long did it last for I heard. days and weeks is what I heard from.

people and and even the mother said when. she when she went to where the creature. was she said that the stench even there. after the creature was gone got in her. nasal cavities and she tried to flush it. out with water and saline or whatever. and and and uh she couldn't get it out. of her nasal cavities really crazy but. they all did I mean everybody talked. about that stench you know I mean. the military. officer the guy that drove the creature.

around I was sitting across from him you. can't see his face but I did and I'm. looking at this guy in the. eyes I'm thinking I could be looking at. a guy that drove a [ __ ] alien. around you have no idea. dude you have no idea how did he. describe it so [ __ ]. intense when I came back from that trip. people were like how is your trip to. Brazil. what was it like man they got great you. know uh smoothies and coffee and I'm.

just like you guys have no idea I think. I think an alien spaceship crashed and. they recover live aliens and we made. contact and the Americans came in that's. what I'm thinking about so I told a. couple people on the last trip I came. back I was just like I was so rocked I. couldn't re I couldn't reintegrate back. into culture it was Joe I was just like. [ __ ] I think this happened. it's the biggest story ever so people. were asking me even my neighbor who runs.

like the he runs that makeawish. Foundation he was like James he goes bro. I like you a lot and I got a lot of. respect for you but you lost me on this. one and I was like I don't blame you bro. I really don't but listen to the. witnesses just that's all I say just and. and I would tell people and I realized I. can't talk about it all I can say is. just listen to the witnesses don't take. it from me but I'm looking at that guy. in the eyes Joe and I've been at this.

for 30 years I've made almost I'm. working on my seventh film right now I'm. looking this guy in the eyes and I'm. like this guy probably drove an alen. around and it tripped me out so hard and. it ruined his life he's he's to get this. guy to go on camera just like a week. earlier he was like I I don't care all. the money in the world I'm never coming. forward the risks are too high how did. it ru in his life because you're. harboring the secret you're being. watched you're being told not to ever.

talk about this and you're looking over. your shoulder all the time and they call. you the military calls you periodically. they want to know where you are and he's. got this Secret inside him that he can't. tell the rest of the world and he's. thinking about all the different. everyone's out there speculating is it. real is it fake is it real is it fake. and this guy drove a body. around just think about that for a. second think about the doctor who took. the x-rays of this thing Marco Leal. thank you Marco you're you're the man.

Marco Leal found him eight years ago and. he was like he confirmed the story he. was still working at Regional hospital. he goes I'll never come forward Marco. kept going every year back and forth. then he retired and 4 years after he. retired he agreed to meet with us he. wasn't even sure he was going to go on. and I said look man we'll put you we'll. film you from the back we'll disguise. your voice showed his photographs of him. at the hospital we know we he's been. we've been trying to get at him excuse. me at the end of the.

interview he said thank you I feel so. much better I've been shouldering that. burden for 26 years and I've so. desperately wanted to tell somebody to. share that story with the rest of the. world and you meet these people and you. think why on Earth they didn't come to. us they're not trying to sell their. story We tracked them down and begged. and pleaded with them to come forward. when I found Martha. the sister of the deceased military. officer Marco. Cheri we were knocking on doors I.

remember the sound guy from from Rio de. Janeiro he was like you're out of your. mind what are you doing can't just knock. on random doors I was like man if. there's a will there's a way I'm going. to find this lady and we found her and. it was like this kind of kind of sketchy. area you know it's like when you when. you get out of your car and you could. see like people drawing the curtains. back and looking at you and you're. standing out like dude I still like a. thumb man and then we walked up I had. Marco with me thank God and we had. camera Crews and stuff it's kind of.

sketchy and uh Marta appears and her. husband appears in this big he's a big. guy and he's got like a wife beater. shirt on and he looks like he wants to. rip my [ __ ] head off and I'm like and. she's looking at me and he's just. looking at her going Mara's looking. Marta's looking at her husband and her. husband's looking at Mara like give me. the signal I'll kill this guy that's the. [ __ ] and I looking at Marco and I was. like James you need to think Qui think. quick on your feet right now and I said. immediately please translate this I'm.

I'm here to give your brother Justice. I'm here to get the story out please. talk to me and we developed a. relationship with her slowly over that. and those are the first words that we. exchanged and we eventually got her to. come forward and we talked she'd gone. forward in the past but she doesn't know. who the hell I am I want to take you. back to the doctor okay what when you. talk to the doctor what did he describe. he said that that it was a normal Day. January 1996 it was Regional hospital.

every day and all of a sudden all these. military trucks and police cars showed. up at the hospital they come in armed. and they got a bag they got a a thing in. a black body bag and uh he was like what. hell's going on here they you going to. be taking some X-rays and he's like okay. and uh and they had him inside and they. had armed grubs and I was asking him. like what was it like I when I when I. interview Witnesses I always want them I. always ask them to project like I.

sometimes I'll even close my eyes. because I'll use their words to recreate. so I'm like living it through them you. know what I mean MH so I'll close my. eyes and I'll recreate the scenes in my. head with their words right it's harder. in Portuguese because I'm having to get. it translated but I ask questions like. what was the atmosphere like do was. there any talking no talking super tense. atmosphere very tense arm guards on the. outside arm guards on the inside. military trucks running nobody comes.

nobody goes and he said I first time in. my his in the history of my career I. took the x-rays and I couldn't even. verify that they were good because they. took them immediately and then they said. this event never happened he said the. stench in the hotel in the in the. hospital was overwhelming and he goes. through the different uh x-rays that he. took the abdomen the head the arms the. legs the. thorax I you. know and uh it was incredible in fact.

Uber Rodriguez if you're listening to. this he's one of the leading researchers. he's gone quiet Pacini disappeared for. 20 years he so did he get to see images. himself did he get to see the body. himself oh he saw he was right well they. didn't open the body bag but he was he. was he said the stench was just. overwhelming so they x-rayed it through. the body bag they xrayed through the. body bag so he never got to see he did. not see the alien and he didn't get to. see the xray image or anything nope they. wouldn't let him see a damn. thing nope now there were two doctors.

there was a guy named Roger leer Roger. leer found out these are people that I. really want to meet I mean people are. coming forward in droves right now we. just got two forensic Pathologists for. the first time ever working together to. come forward to make statements and then. providing documentation of the of the. autopsy reports done on the deceased. military officer that's the first time. ever these guys are coming forward it's. happening right now let's explain what. happened to people haven't watched the. documentary to the deceased military.

officer yeah so so right after the three. girls came in came within 8 to 10 feet. of this creature or being or entity or. ET whatever you want to call it about an. hour later it was about 3:00 in the. afternoon I would say probably maybe. around 5:00 there were two military guys. on Patrol on the lookout for something. unusual what they were told they didn't. tell a UFO had crashed they were on the. lookout for something highly unusual and. it was Eric Lopes at the wheel and Marco. sherei military police in the passenger.

seat they were about a block and a half. to two blocks away from where the girls. had seen the creature a couple of hours. earlier and this thing runs across the. car in front of him he had slammed his. brakes on and without a moment's. hesitation Marco shares jumps out of the. car and grabs the thing with his bare. hands yeah and he puts it in the back. seat and they drive it to a clinic and. the doctor is like what the heck hell is. that get it out of here I don't know. what you know leave so they went to. Regional hospital and then ultimately I.

went to humanitas hospital and so we. have testimony from military X that when. he drove it from humanitas hospital it's. in the movie but he drove it from. humanitas hospital to uh as a military. base where it spent the night in the. truck for one night and then it went. from there to espex campis it's like a. university it's where all the. intellectual scientific heavyweights. reside and then it was there I think. under examination according to the. witnesses that we talked to for a day or. two and that's when the Americans flew. in to Camp. penis and we have the radar military.

control officer who came forward last. year actually two years ago when we were. there filming for the last time his name. is Marco fetus. FES and he came forward for the first. time and he said yeah in January of 1996. this plane came in USAF he kept calling. it United States Air Force came in and. didn't have the authorization of the. Brazilian government he was like this. thing can't land and some higher up. stepped in the room this is all this is. his testimony just relaying what he said.

he said some higher up came in the room. and said let it land and it came and it. landed at campis and then from campis. two helicopters according to him flew to. Virginia Brazil Virginia back to campis. then they loaded something on the. airplane and then off to the United. States and that's where the case goes. cold so I will say this. one of the most exciting aspects for me. getting invited on your show is that.

you've got an you've got a huge platform. with a lot of people. listening I want to know we all want to. know. desperately what happened when the. United States took over where did this. stuff go who was involved who flew that. airplane the flight records all of these. things and so I'm asking you please. please if you're listening to this to. come forward and talk to us this is an. ongoing investigation if you're too. afraid to talk to.

me there's new whistleblower protection. that Senator Jill brand and Rubio and a. handful of others just signed into law. you can go and contact someone like. Andre representative Andre Carson and. there's a process you can go and testify. and tell everything we know without fear. of prosecution or violating any ndas I. beg and plead for you to do that now. excuse me there are a handful of. Congress people and Senators that I. believe are sincerely trying to get down. to the bottom of this. stuff I've met with some of them and I'm.

continued to try to meet with someone. else I'm work working with a guy named. Brian Bender he's kind of consultant on. the project he worked for Politico and. he's got great access as well so the two. of us are trying to we're trying to. address the evidence the photographic. evidence the potential debris evidence. the potential body evidence where is it. and who has the authority to release it. and I you know I've never really covered. and I know that I put my reputation on. the line Joe and I I I totally.

understand for your audience that are. listening to this right now and thinking. that I've lost my marbles and I. completely respect that I had the same. reaction myself and I'm not out here. trying to sell crazy I don't have a. gofund me asking for money on evidence. that I don't have I don't not doing any. of. that all I'm saying is this is. potentially the biggest story that we've. all been been waiting for the story that. in my opinion could settle the debate.

once and for all this. story happened in 1996 and the vast. majority of the Witnesses are still. alive people are coming forward in. droves right now like I said earlier on. the show those two doctors coming. forward the the forensic pathologist you. want science they're giving us science. they're giving us the long form autopsy. report Leslie Kane is having it. professionally and medically translated. and she'll have it. looked at by medical people and that she. knows so that's an ongoing investigation. just the fact that Marco Leo and we got.

access to those people I was doing Zoom. calls all last week leading up to coming. here begging them and pleading them to. come forward please do you God just. really what you want is actual footage. right of course we want footage you saw. what I showed you earlier come on man. you think I'm like you know you know I'm. going after oh no I know you're going. after it but I mean that's really what. we need I know it's what we need I mean. I'm telling you right now so close it's. seems like you can just barely touch it. so close it's like a movie when you're. reach it for the key I I I know you.

can't quite reach it's just like tell. you see it dangling right there you're. like come on and I get criticized out. there people are like ah no no. photographic EVS I don't believe it's. all garbage look you got to start. somewhere okay it starts with a story. how are you supposed to go looking for. something if you don't even know it. exists right so now we know that it. exists we've talk to people that have. seen it in fact Michael. shellenberger called me up when the the. film first came out and he goes hey this. is Michael shellenberger I'm uh thinking.

about putting together an article for. the New York Post and uh I could tell he. was kind of rocked by the story right he. was like man this is pretty wild I was. like yeah I know he goes well I'm. thinking about putting together I said. well if I can do anything to help out. just let me know he goes well I want to. know about the photographic evidence I. was like okay I was like well I I could. put you in touch with a couple people. that have seen it and I was actually. quite surprised the New York Post wanted. more than one source they wanted two. sources that could see it and describe. it and we made it happen Pacini was.

shown video footage he describes it in. Vivid detail go find the New York Post. article by Michael shellenberger and I. suggest your audience read I read it it. to me yeah it's pretty pretty pretty. cool you know and we we know where it is. and we know who has it do you have it. Jamie yeah and it's like the frustration. is I remember one of the people that we. approached on we offered. $100,000 and it was nothing then we. offered. $200,000 people claim they saw aliens. after UFO crash landed in Brazil in 1996.

documentary reveals and it's uh the. trailer from moment of. contact yeah scroll on down I think a. little further you'll get details of of. the description that's the the the. drawing that's the drawing that was done. right after the incident I actually held. the original print in my hands from. clodo koval's daughter so one of was one. of them dead and one of them was alive. yeah apparently and you look there there. were up to up to a counts of possibly. five um and this is another thing that a.

lot of people don't even realize when. they watch the movie and it was shocking. to me was that we stayed at the we. rented this house in this kind of gated. community and it was owned by a doctor. and they had fellow doctor friends and. they were like oh what are you doing in. Brazil what are you doing in Virginia. whole camera Crews and Caravans of. camera gear and tripods they're like. what are you guys doing here we're like. all right here we go well we're here to. cover the Virginia UFO incident and the. doctor goes you know my friends saw. something that you might want to talk to.

them about and we they kind of chuckled. a little bit all this these guys are. serious the whole family saw it so we. eventually go to their. house and uh they uh they're like whoa. no no no we didn't say we're going to go. on camera we just said we'd meet with. you we're not we're not going on camera. I was like well what do you mean you're. not going to camera of course you know. I'm doing a documentary oh no no we'll. tell you what happened and I said well. look we can film you from the back we. want we disguise your voice so anyway so.

we do the. interview reluctantly these guys did not. want to do it but they. described this craft that was looking. for something it was late into the night. late like probably 10 or 11:00 at night. they were ordering pizza and any. Brazilian will tell you they like to. order pizza late at night and they said. the whole family was watching this thing. and I kept saying to them what do you. mean it was looking how do you know it. was looking for something they said it. was going like this really low looking. so I'd shot my drone over the whole area.

I shot my drone with the the the point. where the girls had the contact the. point where maros rezy and Eric Lopes. captured the creature and the point. where the military blockades were and I. realized I took my drone straight up and. I filmed straight down and I show it in. the film The Proximity to all those. events is within a few blocks the house. that the the entire family witness very. credible people that didn't want to come. forward that was just a few blocks away. from the incident it looks to me like.

that was a recovery Mission a rescue. mission that was going down I know it. sounds crazy believe me I know that and. I'm putting my 30-year reputation on the. line do you know what my reputation when. I finished the phenomenon I had a level. of government access that I never. thought I could possibly have as a. complete independent Joe public guy me. right and meeting with senators and just. all kinds of intelligence folks I mean. it's a dream like how could this.

possibly be how could I have access well. I was throwing that flushing that down. the toilet by reporting on this case. potentially but I did it anyway because. I was like okay I understand that I'm. sounding crazy and I understand you keep. saying that but I don't think you are. well I don't think you're sounding crazy. at all you don't okay no no because look. I've gotten so Flack for this the town. is obsessed with the well I think people. people are very much married to their. initial ideas and when you have an. initial idea that something like that is.

stupid and it's probably fake I would. have heard of it it's probably fake and. then you're confronted with what you've. uncovered and imagine if someone hadn't. gone through the exhausting work that. you've gone through going back and forth. to Brazil over a period of 12 Years to. make this documentary imagine most. people would think that sounds like. nonsense I would have already heard. about this this you know if this was. this big but then when you go Virginia. and you see that enormous statue of a. UFO that they have crazy right like. that's pretty wild like who funded this.

why do they have this like why is it a. part of like and the ET guy is all over. the place he's at bus stops he's he's in. the Downtown Plaza it's like damn and. the mayor the sitting mayor be excuse me. thank you by the way for for for for. coming forward and sharing that. information with us mayor Vees mayor. Vees. helped us find was really funny we were. interviewing with him and I was like is. this guy going to say what is what is he. going to say he's a sitting mayor right.

and he's like you know I got to tell you. man I know a lot of the witnesses I got. to say I think this thing happened I. really do he goes if there's anything I. can do to help out you let me know I was. like God pull out your Rolodex I want. you to help me find Eric Lopes Eric. Lopes is the key he's the only living. survivor of the second capture he was a. driver of Marco chesi. right the family of the deceased. military officer Marta her mother could. not get statements from Eric loes she. said every time they'd pressure him he'd.

be smoking cigarettes and drinking and. getting really nervous and just wouldn't. say anything she wanted me to go after. it she's like we want a statement from. Eric Lopes so badly he's the only living. you know person witness so I said to the. mayor I was. like yeah if you really want to offer. some. help help me find Eric Lopes so he's. like no problem so he does so then we. meet in the town square with a with a. good connection it was like a former. chief chief of police or chief military.

guy and his son homo who's a lawyer and. prominent was a prominent politician and. he goes I'll take you out there to his. house then you guys are on your own so I. was like all right so this little voice. as we're all getting in our cars and. driving off to go see this guy the. little voice in my head goes you know. maybe I should get him to walk up the. door with me so I jumped out of my car. and I flagged down the Mercedes that. black Mercedes that we. followed and I told homo with the.

translator hey is there any chance you'd. consider just walking up the door with. me I honestly think that had I not done. that he might have just opened fire on. me immediately because who's this Gringo. guy walking up to his door on his. property asking questions about. something he does not want to talk. about and when we got up to the door I. remember I heard talking as we walked up. and it was a pretty intense moment cuz. I'd heard about this guy for years but. nobody could find him he wouldn't talk.

to. anybody got up to the door and there was. a handful of us cameras. rolling and I hear voices I hear talking. but I can't see anybody I'm like where. is this guy who are they talking to and. then I realized he was up in the window. looking down at us he had his arms on. the window he's looking out the window. and he's talking to homo and he's. talking to the other translator and I'm. looking at this guy's face and I saw a. face this does not translate in the film. I saw a face that I've never seen before.

it was a face Joe that like was. harboring a deep deep deep like burdened. with a with something so disturbing and. profound that I was just I just got lost. looking at this guy's eyes I was like oh. my god i' I've never seen a face like. this before and he's looking out there. and the whole time he's threatening to. shoot everybody and I didn't know what. he was saying and the transl everything. was so chaotic the translators weren't. weren't telling me he said it three.

times you don't get out of here I'm. bullets are going to start flying like. he's military you know guy like he's. armed to the teeth but I was looking at. this guy's face and I'm looking at Dave. the DP Dave West and I'm like I'm hoping. that he's getting this guy's face but. Dave had the wrong lens and the guy was. looking at my DP and he was going like. this Dave said he's never been more in. intimidated trying to film someone in. his life and he was like this and he had. one hand under here like that and he. kept doing that to the camera guy and.

Dave said he was trying to like zoom in. on the face and it was going blurry and. he couldn't you know it was very intense. and. then homo looks over at me terminado. like I we didn't he doesn't speak he. doesn't speak English and I don't speak. Portuguese I know very little but that. look he gave me that was like. International like that look he gave me. was we're getting the hell out of here. right now right now and he's like I'll. I'll tell you later kind of thing and. then we left and um I asked him I was.

like was he serious like that guy look. all he had to do was come outside and be. like yeah you know guys and the first. thing he says. is the first thing he says all we say is. Eric Lopes Eric Lopes Eric's not going. to talk about the ET that was the first. thing out of his mouth like why would. you say that like it's like the police. showing up at your house and you open. the door going there are no drugs in. here it's like I didn't ask that but now. that you mention it okay I guess you.

guys have drugs and he's like I can't. talk about the T Eric Lopes could have. just come outside said oh this is a huge. misunderstanding understanding nothing. happened I'm so sorry that you know my. name got dragged into this story there's. nothing to it that's all he had to do. and it's over right he didn't do that he. just threatened to kill everybody and. said I'm not talking about the ET so. that's very telling about what happened. and they just named a street after Marco. sherei 3 days ago so it's an ongoing. story it's a excuse me it's a. fascinating story and um I'm going to.

hang my hat on this that uh if I have. the right help and we're all in this. together if there's enough compelling. eyewitness. testimony to make one think this very. well might have happened doesn't that. Merit further investigation doesn't that. Merit further efforts to solve this. riddle once and for all this debate's. been going on for 80 years I'm handing. this case to the world on a silver. platter and saying help me let's get. this one.

done am. imagine if some of that autopsy photos. got out some video well I'm talking to. the doctors and I can tell you right now. that the doctors all talked to each. other and there were doctors that shot. video of that creature I guarantee it I. know that for a fact and no one. controlled that video no one stopped. them from doing that no one apparently. the doctors were left alone in the room. for a while with this thing. and here's something that I really want. to put out there hopefully this this. gets translated into Portuguese and the.

people of Brazil will hear this the. doctors that were written about in Dr. Roger lear's book one of my biggest. regrets I was filming in Los Angeles. 2013 I was covering the ru Zimbabwe case. and I had flown in all these Witnesses. with the help of this guy Rand Nickerson. I'd flown on all these witnesses to the. landing case that happened in Africa as. adults and I was doing this really. intense shoot down there I had Kim. Arnold the daughter of of Kenneth Arnold. so when Paula Harris helped me lock that.

one a nightmare trying to get her on. camera and I just had so much going on. and meanwhile I'm getting phone calls. from this guy Roger Lear Dr Roger Le and. he's going I understand you're. investigating Virginia you got to get me. on camera you got to get me on camera. and I kept saying I will I I'll try and. I ended up he got really upset with me. and he's like well if you're not going. to get me on camera I said it's not that. I don't want to get you on camera Roger. I said I'm so busy right now he goes. well what he didn't tell me was I've got. cancer and I'm dying and please get me. on camera because there's aspects of the. story that you need to know that I know.

so anyway he di he gives me these tapes. and then he dies I actually I sent the. tapes back to him and then he died and. um and I got his book too and I was. reading this book when I'm putting the. film together and in the book it's. basically a transcription of all the. tapes that I have I could see that. because I have the tapes and he's got a. professional translator and he's got. this guy uberjar Rodriguez going around. the the country side with him and. introduce him to all these Witnesses and. it's all on camera except the meeting. with according to his book that took.

place in humanitas hospital with two. doctors I couldn't validate this and I. didn't put it in the movie but if those. two doctors are listening to this. apparently the creature was alive the. one that Marco sherei brought into. humanitas hospital was alive and. according to Dr Roger lear's book. everything else was accurate I can't say. if this was accurate or not but he put. it in his book so I'm assuming that it. is and uara won't talk about it he's a. witness there were two doctors that. claimed telepathic communication with.

the live entity and that's in his book. now I'm not telling your audience that. that's true I'm telling your audience. that it might be true we know that that. entity that creature that being that ET. whatever you want to call it went to. humanitas hospital we know that because. we have testimony from the people that. took it there we have testimony from. people on the inside that claimed it was. there but we don't have any testimony. from the doctors that claim there was a. telepathic. communication do they talk at all about. what it said it said that they were they. felt sorry for the human species not.

realizing their their potential of who. they really who they really are like. they're not uh they don't re we don't. realize as a as a race who we really are. that's what they said it's in his book. so anyway what did they mean by that uh. that we're that that we don't recognize. I mean I'm not quite sure I guess that. we don't recognize the potential that we. have as human means who we really are. I'm not sure what they meant exactly. more than that but if Uber Rodriguez is.

listening to this please come forward. and tell me who those doctors are if the. doctors are listening to this they're. still alive what does it take what will. it take to get you to come forward. anything just tell me what it tell me. what it takes and I can tell people to. contact me at my Twitter I guess that's. the best way to tell right at James C. Fox is that yeah would it be the best. way to do it yeah yeah that's what I'm. thinking I'm not going to give up my. email don't give up your I'm not going. to do that but Twitter sorted out I want.

I want people to know about this case. and I want people to know that this is. an ongoing investigation this is not. solved this is an ongoing investigation. it's something that uh we could all. hopefully unite and and and really push. to get answers both on the US side and. and in the Brazil side we have a lot. more answers in Brazil we've got not a. lot going on I know that Leslie Kane is. is is is pushing she's contacting some. of her people on the inside that have. indicated that it did. happen to me one of the weirdest ones.

was Ryan Graves cuz Ryan Graves is. explaining to me how they upgraded their. systems started picking that stuff up. and they started instantaneously picking. up these things that were just defying. physics that they didn't have the. ability to detect before cuz the systems. weren't as good just interviewed him in. Washington DC and you know one thing. that he told me that I was fascinated by. he said that the Admiral came in I think. it was in 2015 when they just gotten. that that one object that was kind of. rotating kind of like a disc looking.

thing MH he said that the Admiral came. in and he was like oh God the Admiral's. here and they had a debriefing on it and. they were showing the videos and the. Admiral stepped in and he took a look at. it for 5 seconds and it's much longer. than 5 seconds he Shrugged his shoulder. and he kind of like oh boy and he walked. out of the room I was like well what did. that mean he goes that means in my. opinion that he was very aware of this. is this phenomenon's nothing new it's. been going on and they've known about it. but what can they do right what can you. do what can you do you try chasing them. they fly rings around your jets I mean.

they're doing what they're doing it's. almost like they have their own agenda. who the hell knows but they're. stationary they're in the air he goes. they don't have to. recharge is the gimbal footage turn. sideways yeah I think it's called the. gimbal there's the go fast there's the. Tic Tac there's the gimbal see if you. can find that gimbal footage the gimbal. footage is fascinating CU you see it. rotate you see it do this thing that. everybody describes night and I I'd also. like to put out there if there are any. Pilots uh any military. personnel uh that have any photographic.

evidence and you'd like to come forward. with it uh please do so I've got a new. project and you can do it anonymously. hopefully you'll do it not anonymously. this is the thing but whatever it takes. it's flying and there's another one too. that's slightly better maybe he. changes the theage I think he does yeah. there he goes yeah that looks like kind. of like a this way and then with the. clouds somewhere along and it looks very. similar to those things that we were. just looking at those photographs very.

similar it looks very dislike you so the. tip that's another thing that that. Senator Reed revealed to me during the. interview he said that here's it rotates. the object that's wild he said that the. the material the evidence that's been. released this was Senator Harry Reid. former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. told me this on camera yeah evidence. that's been released is just the tip of. the. iceberg now let me go through a couple. cases do you mind please all right the.

reason why I say this is because I. talked to you earlier about that some. UFOs some. UAP I can't underline that word enough. represent or originate from a non-human. intelligence and I'm going to go through. a handful of cases that I personally. have looked into these are cases that. upon uh that could prove one way or the. other certainly make a very compelling. argument that that some of these objects. so let's start with 1945 Trinity jacqu.

valet just wrote a book with a woman. named Paula Harris uh fascinating case I. met two of the witnesses I went to The. Landing site the alleged crash site um. very compelling there's probably. military records on that if that's the. case according to the eyewitness. testimony that should be looked into. Roswell now I know your audience is. going to say roswell's been beaten to. death and and uh but well how about this. let's say that a murder took place even. though it's 80 years ago or 75 years ago.

does that make it like oh well so much. time's passed let's not worry about it. no and the reason why Roswell is so. relevant that most people don't. understand is that you had the 509th. bomb Squadron the most elite Squadron. hand select unit in the world. exclusively responsible for the. deployment of atomic weapons announced. that they recovered a flying saucer. that's a fact. okay then they recant and say oh. terribly sorry it was just a common.

everyday weather. balloon Jesse Marcel the first person at. the at the debris field with M Brazzle. the the uh and and thank you Don Schmidt. and uh and Kevin Randall for all your. work we wouldn't talk about this if it. hadn't been for them and and Stan. Freeman M Brazzle takes uh Marcel and. another guy intelligence officer out to. the debris field MC Brazzle says this. stuff was the material was clearly not. of Earth origin I know weather Bloons.

inside and out he described the material. like tin foil that you crumble it up and. it regains its thing these uh eye these. eye beams that are purple with holic. writings that things of that nature he. takes it back to his son who I met Jesse. Marcel Jr I knew him well went on Larry. King with a guy a bunch of times he. described the same material that he. handled personally in his hands okay the. Press conference they had with Colonel. doose Roger Remy and and Jesse Marcel. two out of three of those went on the.

record on camera said the original story. was true that was a the balloon story. was a cover. up okay you've got the FBI Memo by J goo. in his own handwriting he talks about in. this in the S SW case could be Southwest. the Army grabbed it and wouldn't let us. have it for cursory examination that's. pretty compelling you've got astronaut. paollo 149 astronaut Edgar Mitchell who. just so happened to grow up in Roswell. and when he came back on the outskirts. and when he came back from his mission. to the moon in the 70s Paula 14 six man.

to walk on the moon he gets back and he. knows all those ranchers and those. ranchers tell him yeah that was not of. Earth origin he's gone on the record. saying this and he also confirmed that. his intelligence sources he's an. astronaut he landed on the moon told him. that that Roswell was real So based on. just that alone that's extremely. compelling and I know that uh Sheila. whitall the former Secretary of the Air. Force in the 90s under the Clinton. Administration she went after that case.

because Clinton was went after that case. and they weren't happy with the answers. they were getting and then the Air Force. comes up with project Mogul well if you. look at project Mogul project Mogul is. just exactly the same explanation as the. first one except it's a bunch of these. these balloons string together balser. wood 10 for absolute baloney if the Air. Force really wanted to squash it show us. that material that the firsthand. eyewitness testimony the people that. have gone on camera described show us. that material that crumbles up from 1947.

show us those eye beams with. hieroglyphics on toop you Qui absolutely. the material that crumpled up what's. fascinating is it's exactly the same as. what was described in the Virginia case. yes that's what that's what Carlos theer. described yes this material was light. like aluminum foil when you crumple it. and let it go it goes right back to its. form took back his shape. yes so anyway so that's Roswell so. someone has this yeah supposedly yeah. supposedly and someone probably has. photos of this supposedly yeah there's a. memo out that was found actually um.

called the Wilson memo uh they most. researchers think it's a Smoking Gun. I've got it here actually the Jackie. gleon Jackie Gleason's amazing I met a. guy who Nix and things W oh absolutely. and Jackie Gleason told my buddy uh uh. Jeff sagansky don't listen to what. anyone ever tells you I had 100%. confirmation these things exist he. didn't say that the President Nixon. drove me out to a basin in Florida but. he told them don't listen to anybody. says I know for a fact these things are. exist that was really cool anyway this. is the Wilson memo we should look into. it that actually came out when when Dr.

Edgar Mitchell passed that leaked out I. think a guy named James Ry had something. to do with it there's been analysis work. on it but this is considered a Smoking. Gun evidence for for crash materials and. programs of that nature there's a guy. named Hal put off that's mentioned Eric. Davies is mentioned uh Admiral Wilson. has mentioned uh quite fascinating it. could be I I you know I think there are. other people out there like Richard. Dolan and uh who's the other guy Ross. kohart they know a lot more about this.

document that I do but in any case let's. move. on now you got uh 1950 can I stop you. one more time absolutely you said. Clinton looked into this but he wasn't. happy with the answers he got yes how'. that go what happened was Lawrence. Bellman Rockefeller was pressuring the. Clinton Administration I know this. because I talked to John podesta about. it and other people and uh he was. basically saying that if you. don't uh push for government. transparency on this topic to Clinton. then I'm going to expose the fact that. you're not doing it in every newspaper.

Journal across the country okay so. Clinton administrations goes okay fine. what do you want me to do which Cas pick. a case and he said all right I want you. to go after Roswell so Clinton went. after. Roswell they were not happy with the. answer they were getting about Roswell. that's that's that side of the story I. mean pessa basically said yeah we looked. into it and they they eventually came. back with that report Roswell closed and. they talked about this uh Stupid weather. balloon it was Project Mogul project. Mogul is exactly the same damn weather.

balloon just a bunch of them strung. together same damn same excuse same. thing anyway this let's we'll move on go. to 1950 you've got a couple I was. talking about earlier Evelyn Trent and. her Paul Paul and Evelyn Trent. photograph a disc it's very credible. McMinville Oregon very good. case 52 you've got the two con itive. weekends in July of 1952 where you've. got UFOs over the White House and UFOs. over the. capital you have testimony thank to a.

thank God to a guy that guy was in the. radar room that night that heard the. transmission between the pilots that. will scrambled to intercept these things. Al chop and a guy named Tom tulian of. project archives thank God got him on. camera thank you Tom and you get to hear. testimony of a guy who's listening to. the pilot flying at 500 mph in the pitch. black over the Capal capital and he's. surrounded by. UFOs and he's radioing back to the tower. going what do I do and they were all.

silent now the interesting thing about. this is that the Air Force was in full. swing they have a press conference it. was the biggest press conference since. the termination of since the end of. World War II it was General John Sanford. and he basically says there are credible. people making incredible claims and we. don't think that it's us but the Air. Force in 1952. refus to let the public hear the. testimony of the pilots like duh imagine. not hearing from David fraver how you.

supposed to put together a story if you. can't hear from that you got a public. like you got a public uh Project Blue. Book and you're not going to share with. us I mean Rupel wrote a book about it. it's amazing that case in 52 is. phenomenal that's a fantastic case jacqu. fet is convinced that they they had. orders to shoot these things down that. one of them piece a piece did fall down. and it was captured we had an argument. about putting into the phenomenon I. ultimately said jacqu it's here to say I. can't do it and I didn't but Jac's. convinced that we have a piece of that. from. 52 fast forward 1955 Alabama William T.

Coleman United States Air Force World. War II Pilot Flying a B25 bomber he. describes along with there was another. there were two uh Engineers from loed. Martin and Boeing I think in the cockpit. they see an object about roughly 9,000. ft they chase it ends up at Treetop. level at he guy told me and I. interviewed this guy personally at his. home in Florida okay he said that the. chase was so dramatic at the end the.

disc was right in front of them they. were at Treet top level at maximum. continuous power I said what did that. mean he goes if I went any faster the. engine was going to blow up he said I. thought I was going to hit this thing. this disc and they're all just like the. hell with this broad daylight what are. we looking at here and the disc is. eventually he he he has to turn to avoid. hitting the disc and. this is the United States Air Force. Colonel William T Coleman he has to pull. up first because he said if he dipped to. the right his wings would have hit the. trees so he pulls up dips to the right.

misses this thing close nearly and when. he gets regained sight of it it's. skimming across a recently plowed field. and it's stirring up dust in the back of. it the plane lands they give their. testimony all three of them this is the. H to Project Blue Book he was later put. in charge as public spokesman for. Project Blue William T Coleman look him. up you don't have to do it now but uh. the fascinating aspect of it was that. report was never included as parri Blue. Book the better the case the more.

credible the witnesses the less likely. you'll ever hear about this okay fast. forward 1957 Edwards Air Force Base I. personally interviewed Mercury astronaut. Gordon Cooper Gordon Cooper told me on. camera that they were supervising the. installation of a new Runway uh f86 for. f86 fighter jets at Edwards Air Force. Base. he was not present but his camera crew. was a disc in broad daylight came uh. came into view and it landed on the dry.

lake bed the guys turned their cameras. on it they filmed it they walked towards. it it lifted off and it shot off at a. high rate of speed it was. 1957 he said he had the film footage. developed he told me this all on camera. he had the film footage developed he. held it up he saw it was perfectly good. footage he's phoning the high-ups. eventually a courier jet comes in from. Washington DC footage was taken never. seen or heard from ever again typical. right so let's fast forward let's go to. the' 60s I talked about that case. earlier 1964 you got the landing Lon.

Zamora right you got the Close Encounter. of the Third Kind one of the most. well-documented cases in US history what. does the Air Force do Air Force tells. Lonnie zore the witness do not talk. about the beans because that is. incredibly difficult to explain right in. fact they don't want them to talk about. the case at all but particularly don't. talk about the. beans 1966 you got UFOs landing in. Michigan you got uh then Congressman. Gerald Ford gets involved because that's. when the Air Force Dr heinik explains.

the whole thing away as swamp gas pisses. off then Congressman Gerald Ford he. pushes for Congressional hearings those. happen as the hearings are ending April. I think it's April 4th or April 5th 1966. there's UFOs landing all on the other. side of the world at westall Primary. School it's an incredible case over 300. Witnesses including the the science. teacher who I got on camera so let's go. to uh let's see why don't we jump to the. 70s we got 70s 1973 Lieutenant coin uh.

encounters the UFO in a helicopter the. UFO momentarily tastes control was. helicopter he testified at the um uh. United Nations in 1978 that was put on. by Lee spel and Jack fet and Dr jayen. heinik fascinating case uh we can go to. 19 December of 1980 I talked about that. case earlier joint US military base in. England bentwaters rson Forest got a. landing housing nuclear weapons you got.

the deputy based Commander you got all. these men talking about this craft. that's sitting on the ground fascinating. case we'll go forward to 1986 Anchorage. Alaska you've got uh JL J Airlines with. a Japanese pilot by the name of kenju. tarachi and fortunately the reason why. we know about this case is because FAA. official John. Callahan uh kept records of the cockpit. recordings the radar recordings the.

voice recordings of the of the actual. pilot talking about what he's seen it's. absolutely mind-boggling that directly. correspond to all the radar dator which. he has he went on the record about it. number of times and he said there was a. meeting with the CIA stepped in I'm just. reporting what this guy said okay you. guys believe me or not believe me the. data is out there go look at it it's in. a thing I did called the what I saw he. testified at the national Press Club in. 2007 with Leslie Kane and I organized as. to what what was going on he kept that.

radar data fascinating case the pilot. kendri Tarra said it dwarfed his. airplane it followed him around it did. Maneuvers that were impossible it made. his airplane so small and he was in a. 747 and 747 has got an elevator in it. that was 1986 now let's jumped to 1989. 1990 you've got Belgium and I've. personally investigated this case. Belgium the the the general the. Brazilian the Belgian Air Force General. Wilford de Brower said there was objects.

that were the size of a football field. triangular in shape didn't make any. sound other than a slight buzzing. shooting beams of light down to the. ground okay I interviewed de Brower I. flew him out from Belgium to the United. States to testify at the national Press. Club in 2007 he said that two men from. an unknown government agency in the US. requested the radar data the tape. he said sure I'll make copies for you. but I needed an official request they. wouldn't do it he was like well that's. awfully puzzling this is General will.

Wilford de Brower going on camera with. me I know that's what he told me okay. now let's go to 1994 now we got a. landing in Africa Ru Zimbabwe aerial. School roughly 100 Witnesses fascinating. case Dr John Mack investigates the case. he's actually getting funded by also. Lawrence Spelman Rockefeller he was. doing a major funding in the 90s about. this stuff. one of the best cases Ru Zimbabwe 1996. you got the crash in Virginia Brazil now. let's jump to. 1997 you've.

got Phoenix Arizona March 13th. 1997 you've got a number of objects one. in particular that caught my interest. was a boomerang shaped craft that. according to the witnesses and everyone. was out under the night sky to get a. glimpse of hell Bob Comet at the time so. a lot of people saw it that floated. across the State of Arizona roughly. around 5:00 to 8:30. from north to south I even I interviewed. families that were lying on their backs. it's it's all I have it all documented.

lying on their backs and they said this. thing was so huge it took four minutes. to pass over our house it looked like it. was going to land well I also. interviewed the governor five simonon he. too saw it and said that he launched his. own investigation with Luke Air Force. Base and they launched they had uh sent. uh planes to intercept this thing he'. investigated Luke Air Force Base he'. contacted his people to panic onone they. Shrugged the shoulders said we don't. know what the hell that thing was it had. the ability to move very slowly and when. it accelerated and took off it took off. in the blink of an eye was gone okay so.

now let's go forward let's go to uh. let's say 2004 you got the nimic case. off the 200 miles off the coast of San. Diego we all know about that case David. fraver they've got photographic evidence. right Fleer footage four people that saw. it they chased this thing it flew rings. around I mean fraver describes the te. the technology that thing displayed made. it joke of their. f18s fascinating case 2006 we got a. oare uh Chicago O'Hare Airport terminal.

17 you've got half the crew United. Airlines seeing a disc hovering over the. airport it hovers there for several. minutes there's a guy John Hillen Cotter. I think his name is John something he. wrote an article about it and he. actually sent a foyer request and got. the tapes from the tower and you hear. them talking about it while they're. looking at it it's a amazing case when. disc according to the United Airlines. people Personnel left the area it. punched a doughnut hole in the. cloud brilliant case oh they said it was.

weather phenomenon is that um recording. the recording of those air traffic. controller guys talking about it is that. available absolutely it's out there you. can find it right now let's find it. right now listen to it so 2008 let's go. to 2008 okay Jam is gonna find that. we'll get to play that as soon as he. finds Stevenville Texas you've got an. object that was so described to be so. big that it you could land an airplane. on it okay I interviewed one of the best. Witnesses civilian witness and I can I.

have police officers that I interviewed. as well police. officers so I interviewed this guy named. Ricky surl I tracked him down and with. the help of Angela Joiner and uh Ricky s. is one of the best Witnesses he was a. deer hunter and he he said he was going. out at dusk and he's got his rifle he's. looking down and he's careful not to. step on the dry leaves to make the. cracking sounds and scare the deer so. he's looking down and he suddenly feels. like something's up and he looks above.

him and he sees this object right above. him that's so big he said he couldn't. see the edges from any direction so he. gets his rifle and he points his rifle. up and he's a metal worker too and he. said I was looking through the scope and. I was examining the metal he said I've. never seen anything like it no rivets no. seams no weld marks and it had these. recessed cones in the belly of the thing. and he said when it took off it took off. so quick had I blinked it would have. looked like it just disappeared in place. and it didn't do what you'd think it.

would do like that it went like that so. anyway so I'm interviewing him you're. saying this all audio too A lot of. people listen so it didn't it just shot. straight up in the air it didn't go like. a saucer skimming across the water it. just shot straight up in the air it shot. straight up in the air and he said it. was so big that he could have easily. landed an airplane on it so anyway so. I'm interviewing this I'm interviewing. other police officers and I'm. investigating this case for a couple of. years I I put a lot of it in the part. I'm about to share with you right now I.

didn't uh put in the film because I. couldn't but the guy who's going to come. he's going to come forward next year and. that's the police officer that pulls me. aside and I'm filming in Downtown Plaza. Stevenville probably in 2009 and uh I. was standing there doing some filming. with Ricky sorl and it was like kind of. like on our lunch break and this guy. walks up to me I'll never forget it and. he whips out his back badge and he's. like you James Fox and I was like oh God. what did I do and he shows me his badge. and he's like I'm officer so and so can.

I talk to you for a minute I was like. yeah okay so I go off to a cafe he sits. with his back to the wall and you see. seen him coming forward he says. everything Ricky swirls is telling you. is true I want you to know that I said. how do you know he said we all watch it. the entire police force all watched this. thing and it was like a it was like a a. department store I pulled out my radar. gun and I shot my radar gun at this. thing and it was doing 22 mph it was. floating like a like a city it was. absolutely colossal he said one of my.

mates took dash cam footage of it and. one of his biggest regrets was they. ended up with the local Air Force Base. and they and they and they took it he's. going to come I know but I'm saying that. that the reason why I'm saying this is. because those people out there that are. possibly hopefully listening to this. podcast if they know where this evidence. is or if they were involved in this any. way shape or form they want to come. forward please come forward Now's the. Time so that's that's an incredible case. Stevenville Texas did you find the audio.

recordings yeah which I've actually. found a couple of them and yeah which. one specifically they'll say so and so. took a photograph of it oh sorry of the. uh it's the 2006 ohir UFO incident it's. phenomenal trying to remember the name. of the gentleman John something that. wrote the article it was exploded all. over the headlines that's you are so. good at recall with all this stuff you. can really tell that you've been. obsessed with this for so long it's so. fascinating to watch your mind like go. through these cases and remember all.

these details with barely even looking. at notes it's all just I have every time. I get up and I do something like this. Joe I'm representing all the witnesses. that have trusted. me um sorry um. I'm representing. them so when I hear Dr.

katrick say what he said it it's a. personal assault I don't know what. you're talking about well he just. dismissive when I hear the government. dismissive this whole thing I'm thinking. to. myself it's I take it personally because. when I'm out there talking to people. like you on these platforms I'm sorry. it's just tense for me me it's like I. represent these Witnesses when I'm a. voice for them I come out here and I. represent them and they trust me and.

that means a lot to me so sorry I just. no I get it listen man just you're. you're passionate about this it means. something to you and that's one of the. reasons why your documentaries are so. good I I give a [ __ ] about the. facts listen man if you're right and if. this is real this is one of the most. important things to talk about and if it. wasn't for documenting documentaries. like yours and Jeremy corell's and a few. of the other ones that are out there it. wouldn't be as big of an issue with. people they wouldn't think that this was.

real that there's weight to this and you. know like I said when I heard about the. Virginia case I remember thinking oh. come on people lie that's I'm I'm I. always think that I always think ah. people because they do some people like. to lie yeah no question but that's not. that simple that one's very complicated. that one's very comp complicated and and. again that man who goes to the spot. where he saw that 25 years ago and he. starts crying and Jesus Christ I teared.

up you know that I showed him I. interviewed military X as you know he's. in the movie but military X it's in the. credits military X said for the first. time it all started at molini farm. molini farm is where we took him for the. crash site okay was there any indication. on the ground yeah thank you. thank you thank you so I flew the drone. over the crash site I'm in New York City.

couple of weeks ago at a. conference and this guy pulls me aside. and he goes hey James I just watched a. movie moment of contact holy [ __ ] he. goes you know I'm a geologist that. ground at the impact site has been. tampered with I said thank you cuz I'm. not a geologist but I took my drone and. I flew it over it's in the movie you can. see it you look down at that site and. that area looks so different than. everything around it it looks so. different according to SAA that was some.

sort of acid like that was burning from. the craft and that acid is what smelled. so bad and 26 years later you can see it. excuse me it looks very the acid from. the craft but it was also the the. biological smell of the beings that too. yeah I did there's a bunch of different. yes I mean it's and so does he think. that some one excavated the. site well all I know is what what I was. told I went to Roswell 50th anniversary. and I met with people lots of witnesses.

at Roswell at the 50th Anniversary I was. in my. 20s and uh they said that people were. shoulder-to-shoulder on the ground. picking up pieces and after that they. lit it on fire and burned it and then. they bulldozed it so I would imagine. that they might have done the same in. Brazil but I don't know you know one of. the things that didn't end up in the. film I don't know why I was I got talked. out of it or something um we met a far. we met the farmand at milini farm and he. was talking about the neighbors all. saying they heard a huge boom it.

happened like 5:00 in the morning 4:30 5. a.m. something like they heard a huge. boom and there were other Witnesses like. truckers that saw it too where um that. actually gave some testimony in 1996 and. I couldn't track it down but again it's. an ongoing investigation that truckers. saw the thing there was the farm hand. and there's certain things that don't. add up like Carlos AAA. and I love him to death but there was a. statement I think I haven't seen it but. I've heard that he made that one time. was that the truck the military trucks.

arrived within minutes of him getting. there but he's also made a statement. that they were there or they were. pulling in when he got there so there's. a couple of minutes discrepancy I don't. know you know I believe the guy if the. guy was highly traumatized he had a. visit and his life was threatened and he. was pointed at at gunpoint to get out of. there he guy goes in hiding for 26 years. could it be that he remembers it a. little bit differently so he described. it one way back then and another way now. just exactly the same but that the.

military trucks were either there or. already there or coming just a little. variation that's very possible you just. forgot it differently that's not as. important as what he saw no and and then. like I give you another example like you. know Carlos daa is convinced that that. was on the 13th of because he was going. he's an ultralight pilot he's also like. a history or geography professor in Sal. Paulo. that it was the 13th of January and the. girls saw the creature on the 20th of. January how did those creatures get from. the crash side to the to the town well.

there's a river and I've talked to some. researchers that think that that's. possibility because the river goes from. the crash site right to the area where. the creatures were found could it be. they got in the water I don't know maybe. I have no idea and what did they do for. six days I have no idea so the crash was. six days different from the crash. happens according to the witnesses. according to saza he's convinced that it. happened on the 13th and the girls they. know they saw the creatures on the 20th. so do you see what I'm saying like and.

then how did they get what happened. during that period what about the record. of when the US Air Force jet flew in. that was the the guys the guy. Marco fth. FES he said it was January he was like. ah 20th 21st he's like yeah he's like I. think it's 20th 21st something like that. so it's somewhere in that oh totally. well right in there and it and the and. the plane lands without authorization. from the Brazilian government and it. lands in.

campis and then the helicopters go from. campis to Virginia and then they go from. Virginia back to campis they load. something on the airplane and the United. States Air Force takes off again all. without any authorization from the. Brazilian government and that's what. these guys are saying every single. military person that we met with we put. a lot of little nuggets in the in the. credits the end they all said the. Americans were involved cuz I didn't. know when I went into this I had no idea. isn't it fascinating that they would. listen to us it's absolutely fascinating.

and I want them to come forward people. on the US side come forward please we. need your testimony this is the case. that could solve this riddle once and. for all because the people that saw it. were alive and seems like there's real. footage and real photography what would. you do what would you do for the footage. of the of the creature you personally. what would you do for it would you go to. Brazil. I'm just asking just to get it if you. were guaranteed to get it when you got. there would you go for it if I was you. you I'm talking you I'm just curious you.

wouldn't do it I'm busy I know you are. footage of an alien yeah I'm not going. okay but if you go I I'll definitely. watch the video when you bring it back. yeah Lo Logan Paul Logan Paul was like. well I want to guarantee I said Logan. there are no guarantees in life there's. death and taxes okay and well especially. to gu like you's been chasing this for. 12 years well that case yeah I know it's. well you know I mean I look at Marco Le. all and I look at these other. researchers and I tip my hat to them but. it's amazing it's a phenomenal if it.

really is a look it makes sense that. we're not alone and it makes sense. regardless of a people like Neil degr. Tyson think I can't believe you just. said that yeah okay so here's my thing. we love Neil degros Tyson he is a. treasure to the world he makes science. exciting he gets children interested the. guy's gregarious he's funny he's wicked. bright but when he talks about this.

aspect UAP or UFO we all cringe cuz he. clearly doesn't know and he goes right. to ET I'm like nobody's screaming from. the hilltop ET is landed we're saying. that there are structured craft of. Unknown Origin exhibiting a technology. far beyond anything that we comprehend. according to the the military people. I've talked to around the world and we. don't know what they where they come. from we'd like to know and I say to Neil. degross Tyson I'm serious and I I hope.

you don't take this the wrong way but. I'll put $25,000 on the table right here. and right. now if he watches the phenomenon and he. has the same position after watching. that evidence that we put together. carefully with the help of jacqu fet and. many others to present that case to a. jury if he has the same Viewpoint after. he watches that film you tell me pick. any organization of your choice. nonprofit and I'll give $225,000 to that. organiz I don't think you're going to. change his mind with that documentary I. really don't no what he's going to say.

is what he's going to say is clearly. there's something going on because I. even got Michael shurmer who skeptic. magazine is like wow this is intriguing. because you know Kaku has publicly. stated now that the preponderance of. evidence is now it's it it it leans in. the direction of it being real yeah no. it's not look the phenomenon is real the. the only speculation is what is it what. is it you know people jump to. conclusions quickly and they start. talking about babies floating in in. incubators out of alphas andari and. that's when you just lose everybody it's.

like whoa hang on a second nobody's. saying that what we're saying is there's. a physical phenomenon taking place nuts. and bolts craft that are flying rings. around our fastest jets that have left. imprints on the ground they're picked up. by radar sensor photographic sensors. flare sensors they're seen visually. some cases people claim that we've. recovered them okay but let's just. forget even that aspect of it let's just. say that you know the David frers of the.

world and there's cases dating back. forever I mean really credible cases. what are those is it us wow well if it's. us they sure have been hiding some. revolutionary technology for over 75. years that in itself is a huge story. they've got things that fly without. wings without visible means of. propulsion without making any sound any. air disturbance that can do right angle. turns at high speed everything we know. would shatter on the inside of that. cockpit particularly humans so what I'm. saying is we've we know that we know.

that 5 or 10% of this represents. possibly originating from a non-human. intelligence that seems to be the. direction we're leaning in so when Neil. degros Tyson comes forward and says what. he says I'm like you're just not I've. had intelligence folks go God I'd like. to talk to that guy just one he says is. that why would they be interested in us. which I find hilarious why wouldn't they. be interested in us yeah why wouldn't. they be of course especially once we.

develop nuclear technology totally I. mean I mean we we could [ __ ] up we're. we're crazy territorial Apes has to be a. correlation there yeah I mean it makes. sense it only makes sense it literally. only makes sense if you were an alien. life form that is interested in the. development of intelligent life in the. universe you would realize it's probably. a precarious balancing point when they. reach this Apex of Technology especially. when it comes to nuclear power and. especially when it comes to like what we.

have available here on Earth in terms of. natural resources and we battle for it. and we control we're like we're. territorial we control territories we're. we're aggressive yeah we're we're crazy. we're like we shoot at these things. Warlords we shoot at these things yeah. we shoot at these things and we. certainly have in the past so I mean I. think they're probably beyond our. ability to interact with them in that. way they're probably so sophisticated. that they're well aware of guns and and.

things that could could damage them and. injure them but when you think about. things like storms like the Virginia. case like how do you account for I mean. the amount of energy in a lightning. storm is [ __ ] insane and if they just. plan it wrong which is possible if. something shifts I mean we're assuming. they don't have control of the weather. we're assuming they perhaps. miscalculated or got bad data who knows.

or just a weird phenomenon where things. I would imagine that even as technology. increases there's going to be risk in. everything just like with everything in. life with car accidents and plane. crashes and I would imagine that even at. Super. Advanced alien level technology there. probably the potential for a crash all. right so speak speaking of Crash this is. something I really wanted to read to. your audience this is the recent UAP. Amendment or uh legislation that was. signed into law I'm reading this.

directly verbatim okay and I'd like to. know what prompted this. language any Activity thank you Senator. gilbran and Rubio and others any. activity or program by dep department or. agency of the federal government or a. contractor of such a department or. agency. related to unidentified anomalous. phenomena including with respect to. material. retrieval material.

analysis reverse engineering research. and development detection and tracking. development or operational testing now. that's it's right here you can look it. up it's the UAP legislation what. prompted that what prompted that what. prompted The Whistleblower stuff I mean. look at little whistleblower. stuff what does it say protection for. individuals making authorized.

disclosures. okay shall not be subject to a. non-disclosure agreement entered into by. the individual who makes the. disclosure shall be deemed to comply and. it goes on that's does that not say. something that Congress and the Senators. are getting wind of what's going on why. would they put that language in there. reverse engineering recovered. materials I mean come on.

man it's pretty compelling stuff well. I'm sure they're hearing more than what. we're hearing oh they definitely are. we're hearing a lot they definitely are. listen if it wasn't for people like you. I mean in your documentaries it just. Spurs so much interest and it gets. people so excited that you know when I. watched it I immediately had to talk to. about it I know I got your text and I. was in a workout room we have this old. dad it's called uh it's called Dad bod. class with this guy Marty's Australian. and we're in there listening to like uh.

what's that song um Rocky baloa come on. uh had a tiger we're in there I know. it's so silly we're laughing at. ourselves you know we're in there doing. our weights and everything and I always. keep my phone by my side because my son. is in school he's 8 years old and I got. to be available as a parent like. something goes wrong and uh I hear this. and I was like ah D I'm doing my thing I. go I look and it says unre unknown.

number could be Joe Rogan I was all. excuse squeeze. me anyway that was that was really funny. that's funny that was really funny I. want to know your favorite part if you. don't mind me asking this what's your. favorite part of moment of contact I. don't know if I have a favorite part um. going over the whole documentary it's it. might be when that man starts crying. when that man goes to that site and he. starts crying because it's so intense. and you just imagine being a person who.

has this extraordinary once in a million. lifetimes event where something from. another world something you can't. believe is real something crashes down. and you're there to experience it and. you're of a handful of people I know. right and you have this memory burned in. your psyche forever and then someone. brings you back to that site and that. guy was just. overwhelmed yeah that might have been my. favorite part I me I think it's the. doctor and the and Military actually.

drove the creature around I looked that. guy in the eyes yeah I wish I could look. him in the eyes too oh man that was so. intense and I met him like a couple. nights prior to that and it was just. just susing him out it was just it was. an incredible opportunity hey do you. mind if I if I acknowledge my family for. all their support sure please do I want. to acknowledge my family Rebecca and my. son Ollie he's been so supportive of me. shout out to ollie yeah shout out to my. son olly and my sister Kelly's been. working so hard and my cousin Ian and my. other sister Janine and and uh Emily and.

Felix I I you guys have been so. supportive and this is an incredibly. laborious thing that you've done you. know to the the amount of time and. effort especially this Brazil case how. do you walk away from a case like this. if you think it's true if you think it's. true and you're you you can't I mean you. can't you must be compelled it's so. important you can't let it go you can't. put it down it's just like you have no. choice like I what am I going to do I. had this guy walk up to me one time and. he goes why do you do what you do you're. so compell what get what gives I said.

well let me ask you a question if there. was tangible evidence being withheld I'm. not as I'm not saying this is a fact I'm. just saying hypothetically if if this. was going on and if it was being kept. from the general public that there's. evidence that suggest we're not alone. how significant of a story would you. give that and immediately he's like oh. my God if that was true that would be. the most important thing ever I mean. that's that's what we all want to know. and I was like well I'm convinced it's. happening so how do I walk away from.

it it's almost like what you love kills. you you know well I don't think it's. killing you I think almost did with Eric. Lopes yeah that was a sketchy scene that. was a sketchy scene um I think it's. important and I think you you should be. praised and I think that if if this case. is real and if these people telling the. truth and my God it certainly seems like. they are it's um unbelievable I mean the. the confirmation that some and what's.

fascinating to me is like that there all. there's a lot of variation in these. things a lot of variation these. experiences a lot of variation these. crafts I got you got to imagine there's. probably not just one world that's. interested in us that's what I was. thinking it could be all the above it. could be many worlds that are such a. huge such a huge universe. it's impossible to even wrap your mind. around how big it is and if something. out there is like Earth where. intelligent life has evolved to a very.

significant point but then keeps going. for a thousand years 10,000 years a. million years what if they live in a. more stable uh environment where they're. not getting pelted by asteroids like we. are neutralize the aging gene yeah what. if they figure something out where. they're not subject to the same. biological ailments that we are what if. they uh incorporate some sort of. Technology into their physical bodies. and that's them what if you know what if.

they hybrid of of artificial. intelligence and biological life like. there's so many possibilities so many. possibil I mean it's almost impossible. for us to even imagine the variations. that could be out there because you're. talking about a truly infinite. universe and the areas they've already. identified goldilock planets more than. one multiple Goldilocks planets in the. known universe my son came up to me a. couple days ago and he goes daddy I've. been thinking a lot about this I've been.

thinking a lot about this I think those. those creatures there in Virginia they. came from a Goldie Lock Zone I was like. oh my God I just about died that's. amazing so cute he thought about it you. know he's been thinking about it I'd. like for the next gener I love the idea. of like not having all this secrecy and. look we know for sure there's secrecy. surrounding this topic that's just a. fact why why can't we just well don't. you think that once it begins with.

secrecy so if you you take us back to. 1947 to Roswell New Mexico if it begins. in secrecy if the first ever crashed. UFOs if that begins in secrecy like what. what would compel them to stop that and. what what how much resources would be. involved in disseminating that. information to the general public and. why would you do that especially the way. that the government has treated us. always when it comes to matters of.

international conflict when it comes to. virtually anything they lie and they. they always come up with a narrative. that you know is very Loosely based on. facts and they spoon feed the American. public what they want us to hear. anything that would take away their. agency like if you if you want to. pretend that you're in control of the. United States the United States is in. control of the world but all of a sudden. there's these beings from another planet.

that behave in a way and move with their. crafts in a way that's impossible for us. to replicate we don't even understand. the technology we have no idea where. they're from how they got here they. communicate with us telepathically I'd. probably shut the [ __ ] up too if I was a. president of the United States if I was. you know I just asked that very question. to representative Andre Carson a month. ago because I was curious it's like okay. you guys got Arrow right you got all. this investigations going on you got all. this probe going on let's just say yeah.

that they make the determination after a. careful review of the data the data that. you and I don't have access to that some. of these things represent or originate. from a non-human intelligence let's just. say yeah now what now does. katrick go to Congress does he disclose. that it's not his job so do he go to. Congress and do they disclose that well. it's not really their job basically. they're going to be saying we're not. alone so they go to the president. whatever president that is they're.

they're already so controversial half. the country ha them so it's going to be. politicized so the president can't do it. and who is that what do we represent 4%. of the world population so we're going. to tell the rest of the world that we're. not alone do we do it internationally. through the United Nations a panel of. international scientists if that happens. then we have to share all of our. sensitive private data right potential. materials and bodies with the rest of. the world I don't see how they can do it. to be honest with you and I've never. really thought it through like that. before like think of the actual.

execution of disclosure how might that. occur and I asked that very question to. Andre Carson representative Andre Carson. the other day and he's nobody's got a. plan there is no plan in. place wow right it's all wow yeah it's. all wow I want say one more thing uh. there's a documentary that just came out. the guy's got a totally kind of. different perspective on way he puts. things together but the cast of. characters regarding recovered.

materials it's pretty compelling and. it's called accidental Truth by a guy. named Ron James and and I I watched it. and again it's not my style I I tend to. kind of be more MTH yeah accidental. Truth where is it available I uh. probably on iTunes and Amazon I'm. guessing but it has the cast of. characters that deal with potential. recovered materials and it's a little. bit you know like the artwork and stuff. it's not my my cup of tea but I did.

watch it and I was like oh this is. interesting anyway I thought I'd mention. that since we're on the topic of. recovered materials. so Etc furthermore and henceforth listen. man um what you're doing is very. important I really really believe that. and and if this turns out to eventually. get released you're a real Trailblazer. and I think. the amount of Labor and just the intense. Focus that you put into just to make. this one documentary forget about the. phenomenon two it's um it's amazing.

stuff man I'm I'm glad you're out there. I appreciate you very much thank you Joe. I really appreciate you having me on it. really means a lot my pleasure one more. time your Twitter for everybody it's J. uh. jamesc Fox as in cat James C Fox that's. my Twitter handle okay that's the first. time I've ever given it out there you go. brother well thank you very much I. appreciate you. a moment of contact go watch it it's. [ __ ] amazing bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause].

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