Joe Rogan Experience #1967 - Mike Vecchione

[Music]. by night. night what's up how are you man pleasure. to meet you thanks for having me on Joe. it's a pleasure today my pleasure you're. a funny [ __ ] man thanks for your. [ __ ] thank you man how long are you. doing it 23. nice started in October of. 2000 did about three and a half years in. Philly with um. um DeRosa big J those guys and then.

moved to New York at the end of uh 2003. nice yeah I was a teacher I got a. master's in special education I was. working with uh kids who had behavioral. problems for about eight years it seemed. like a guy would work with kids with. behavioral problems you're very calm. yeah very calming very calming but uh it. was very very challenging very. challenging because the kids would flip. you know a lot every day at work with. something different you know oh man I. worked in a behavioral school for a.

while and then uh and then went back at. night and got my masters because I. figured if I'm gonna do this I might as. well teach and then uh taught in a. classroom in three different Public. School Systems when did you decide to. leave to go comedy full-time. um I did about I started going to open. mics I was in a relationship and uh I. thought we were gonna get married and it. broke up I think a lot of comics have. this story you know where it's a it's. like a heartbreak situation and then I. was just on my own kind of out there. finishing up my masters so I started.

just going to open mics at the laugh. house which is not there anymore it's a. comedy club on South Street and I just. started going every Wednesday and then I. started going on Thursdays and a little. bit more and then I wasn't funny at. first you know it bomb I would do okay. bomb do okay bomb but I was like you. know I'm probably not gonna be able to. do this but it's going to help me public. speaking wise it's going to help me. somewhere down the line you know I got a. good vibe for it so I was like let me. just keep doing it and at that point you. know I was uh.

you know alone and I was going through a. tough time so I was like I kind of don't. care if I fail. I kind of just don't care I'm gonna just. fail and just figure it out and just. keep coming at it and uh because I'm a. sensitive guy so it's like uh you know. failure has been tough to take so uh I. just just kept doing it I just kind of. It kind of dropped off because I was. going through a tough time I didn't care. about failure so I just kept doing it. and doing it and doing it and then at. the end of 2003 I was working a job I.

didn't didn't want to do anymore and I. just decided to move to New York and. that's when it really like I'm a really. I don't know how much time you spent in. New York I know you're a Boston guy but. I'm a product of the New York City. comedy clubs really is what I like to. say just hopping going from just hopping. I mean it's not so much like that. anymore but it used to be I don't know. how much time you spent there but it was. like you would just run from Club to. Club to Club to Club to make money yeah. and that's how I would do it you know. and uh the big Club was a comedy seller. still is sure but it's like the Boston.

Comedy Club I was I started in New York. the last days of the Boston comedy club. with Nate and Dustin schaef and a lot of. these guys so I uh I started there and. then what we do is you I'd go to an open. mic first to make sure you got stage. time and then I would go to the Boston. in the Boston. different Comics would run the. weeknights so you would go and hang out. and see if you could get on. so I and then I would do that and then. at the end of the night you would go to. the seller and just hang out and just. hanging out was a big thing back then.

because you just get your face around. get people to know who you are and every. Club had their different every uh city. has their different scene and in New. York we'd end up at the cellar with um. Patrice Keith Robinson Jim Norton those. guys and you'd hang out and uh they. would just break balls at the table. different time you know yeah everybody. would break balls and then people would. get to know you slowly isn't it crazy to. say 2003 is a different time different. time talk like you're talking about the. 20s yeah but it was a very different it.

was a very different landscape back then. yeah and that's what you had to do you. had to hang and get your face around so. people without you know maybe Mike would. be good to open or maybe so and so would. be good to open for you on the road you. know and that's how you would get work. yeah I moved to New York in 91 I think. 91 or 92 somewhere around there and um I. did the clubs I did Boston but mostly I. did the road because like I lived in New. Rochelle I couldn't afford to live in. Manhattan because I couldn't afford a. parking spot and I did Road gigs so much.

and I had a car and uh my thought was. like I could do these little clubs but I. don't make any money or I could do like. Long Island and Connecticut and Jersey. yeah I could make you know 150 bucks 200. bucks for a show right and I'd have. money right and and I'd be able to do. long sets and I was always a big fan of. hicks and I knew that hicks he did. mostly the road right and he did like. these real shitholes yeah as good as he. was I was like I always thought that. like shitholes made shitty Comics right.

but Hicks kind of changed my mind about. that like you could do great comedy in. front of shitty rooms right and win them. over yeah yeah that's really something. that's really what it is because if you. let the room change you you can become a. shitty comic that way but if you go now. I'm gonna flip them but on my terms yeah. that's a lost art also because if you're. big you know you have your own fans and. stuff that doesn't come into play but if. you're good and you're are on the road. you don't have your own fans it's like. you have to like keep just working them. working them working now as the Atlanta.

punch line and this happened where it. was a the crowd you know they didn't. know me and there was a drunk woman it's. my birthday it's my birthday like making. it about her and like younger in comedy. I would have just bailed and just tried. to score off of her and win and just you. know do a penalty kill you know just. just play the set out that way and walk. away with the victory but I decided you. know you know what let me neutralize her. I don't want to make it about her she's. being selfish you know stay in the.

pocket because and I had won the other. people over yet they were still on the. fence about this guy so it's like just. keep just keep coming just keep coming. and then work in them and bringing them. to you and bringing them to you and. neutralize her because she's a. distraction and just keep bringing them. bringing them bringing them and at the. end like I I it was good it was a good. set but I got off stage I was like oh my. God that was so much work and nobody's. gonna know about it No One's Gonna know. what happened here and I walked to the. bar and there's a couple of comics at.

the bar and one guy looks at me and goes. I saw what happened he goes I saw what. you did that was great that was. masterful I go thank at least one. witness I got one witness who saw what. it was who knows like what it is and how. hard it is to do it's my birthday oh God. there's so many of them out there it's. really something you just go to just go. to karaoke what are you doing just go to. karaoke some lady was [ __ ] up Ron. White set the other night in in our club. she yelled out can I get a picture with.

you she kept saying that in the middle. of his [ __ ] bits like he'd be in the. middle of the setup you hear can I get a. picture with you. oh it's the worst it's really something. because as the crowd's not on your side. and you come too hard at her you know. what I mean then they're gonna be like. whoa what is this guy this guy's angry. now it's like they kind of don't get the. dynamic of what's happening but if you. just standing like Miss I love you I. don't want you to get kicked out you. know because like you know and. eventually she just went to the bathroom.

anyway and just whatever. something I think she was on it before. maybe did more coke yeah it's funny how. you remember those sets like that like. one set that you could like that was a. breakthrough moment right yeah but it's. like the fact that it's like oh I know. it I know it and I doubt anybody else is. gonna know it but whatever I know it do. you ever stop and think like what if you. didn't break up with that girl like what. if you were still in that relationship. and you'd never pursued comedy yeah all.

the time [ __ ] all the time and I just. put you know what I could have I would. have been married I would have had you. know whatever and I I just would have. lived that life it was a full in the. road you know what I mean it was really. sad because I was teaching at times. working at a behavioral school and I was. with her and I was like oh this is. probably how this is going to play out. yeah I don't I don't have that in the. the thing in me to go out and get spots. because going out and get spot getting. spots is like you have to go out and you. have to hustle yeah I was already.

working hard in my job and he tried to. get my masters I was on a different path. so I didn't have that extra in me to go. and try to get you know spots at clubs. and stuff so when you say that like you. when when and at that moment did you. kind of were. you weren't in a good place right she. broke up with me and I was really really. uh we were we dated in college and then. we uh she's from Philadelphia so I. hadn't any no ties to Philadelphia so I. moved to Philadelphia to try to find a.

job be with her she was in law school. and um. so yeah that's that's what it was I hope. she watches yeah on YouTube now. I mean I think she's got a good life she. had a good she was a good person she had. her head on her shoulders and she was. like oh it's okay it hurt though man it. hurt it's heartbreak like that that. causes you to go oh yeah I gotta. it it makes you raw you know it makes. you raw and it makes you go like I'm. gonna go out and take some chances and. do what I really want to do figure my.

life out you know what I mean now if it. would have been a thing where I would. have been successful right away then it. would have been oh my God yeah it's. different but it's been. 20 I've had winds along the way this is. a big win by the way but it's like winds. along the way it's like that gradual I. thought I'd moved to New York and it's. like I'll be a star or I'll just get a. job I didn't realize that it was going. to be this incremental thing where it's. like get a Tonight Show that's good Last. Comic Standing that's NBC time you know. it's like this happens Montreal Comedy.

Festival it's like gradual throughout. the years yeah so that becomes your life. you know describe it to people like. making a mountain one layer of paint at. a time yeah that's what it's like yeah. yeah that really is build it build it. build it out yeah it's so you don't. think that I I didn't think that at the. beginning I thought oh I'll just go and. I'll win or I'll fail either way it's. like even if I fail I'm in New York I'll. figure it out in New York you know but. um yeah I didn't see this I didn't see.

that incremental the incremental steps. that it takes and you know as a comic. after that like any girl like to have so. protective. so protective and I think a lot of. comics are that way over my career yeah. like I don't nothing comes in the way of. this nothing comes in the way it's like. you know I'm not gonna sacrifice any of. my time for anything else I'm in this. well because it's so fun when it works. yeah and the idea of making a living off. of doing that is so exciting yes that. you think like I can't let anything get.

in the way of this and relationships. would get in the way of this like in the. early days I dated girls were like you. don't have to go up tonight I'm like oh. I don't yeah like yes I do like you. don't know what you're talking about. like if you could kill you would know. this you would if you know what it feels. like to go up there and hit a punch line. yeah and have the whole room fall out. right that's a wild feeling yeah it. really is and not a lot of people ever. get to experience that and it is an art. it's an art form it's an art form to be. able to do that especially over an hour.

yeah you know real art form it's an art. form that sounds like you're just. talking so it's kind of underappreciated. because everybody can just talk right. and most people are funny sometimes yeah. you see somebody up there and you're. like I could kind of do that right and. right you don't really respect it unless. someone's just [ __ ] murdering you. right it's a it's a funny thing to do. with your life and man it tests the [ __ ]. out of you in the beginning because in. the beginning it just doesn't there was. many times where I was like this is. never going to happen like a bomb right. go back home [ __ ] massively rest in.

whatever shitty apartment I was in going. what the [ __ ] am I doing Todd Lynn who. was the comic back in the day passed. away since but he used to say it's like. dating a really hot girl with really bad. breath. that's what I'm like God he really. described it perfectly. yeah you know there's something you can. do about that but but comedy it's just. like it's the whims it's the crowd it's.

who's on before you it's where you're at. in your life right right that's all true. and uh it's a process I learned that. from wrestling too like wrestling like I. was good for my area like I learned to. wrestle in Ohio and then which is a. great state we had a great program and. then I moved to Florida and I finished. high school in uh Florida so I wrestled. down there and it's like. I was so focused I don't know how you. were as a competitor but I was so. focused on the win I wanted to get the.

win I wanted to get it's like yeah yeah. it's not and I would psych myself out. before matches a lot of times by. overthinking it you know and it's like. no no no it's about the process yeah. it's about the process train hard and. then but when it's time to compete then. I wish I would have had this back then. it's like you have to just get yourself. up and go out there and just do the. things that you train to do yeah and I. was too focused on the I want to win I. want to feel that I want to feel the.

victory it's like I want to win it's. like no no it's the process stick to the. process but I wish I would have had that. before I went out and competed like to. go out there and just cut through this. guy I didn't have that attitude I was. tired from cutting weight and you know. when you go to these tournaments when. you wrestle you weigh in you weigh in. and then you would go have breakfast and. then there's a time where you digest and. lay around on the mat a little bit and. then start slowly Drilling and get. getting ready for the match and during. that time is when you should be getting. your mind right to go out there and like. take it to them and the guys who were.

successful did that yeah and I couldn't. see it back then but looking back and. having perspective on it it's like I. wish I was that so now I keep that in. mind in stand up you know because a lot. of a lot of stand-up is that you know. being mentally prepared to go up yes you. know yeah I always tell Comics like. don't go up don't just go cold right. warm your mind up right I pace around. and breathe deep I stretch out and go. over my notes like maybe you don't need. to do that but you should it's just like. good for the head just get your get your.

mind right what do you think about. before you go up I mean you're working. these Arenas now these gigantic venues. so what do you think about before you go. out well Arenas uh one of the things. that I do is I have index cars so I. write out before I'll get there early. and I'll write out like uh just bullet. points of all the sets or all the bits. and I'll put them on cards right like. this is on this subject this is on that. subject I'll lay them out on a coffee. table and writing that out just like.

cements it all in my head solidifies it. all in my head and then it's just about. getting fired up by the time I'm getting. to an arena though my set is Rock Solid. I don't that means I've done the clubs I. developed hour and then I went to. theaters and I started feeling it that's. a great way to do it yeah I when by the. time you can't just go up in front of 16. 000 people not knowing whether or not. it's going to go well yeah you know you. have to be [ __ ] you have to be tuned. in and ready to go and you gotta you. gotta go out there with a lot of energy.

because you know just people like they. got [ __ ] babysitters they bought the. tickets a long time it's a big deal for. them you can't you got to treat it like. it's very important right yeah right and. uh just opening for Nate Nate bargatzi. my friend put my special on. um yeah you got it theater is a. different especially than the New York. City clubs because it's intimate in New. York right and and on the road even but. it's like those theaters it's like it. can be overwhelming and there's a lot of. space to fill it feels like yeah you.

know with the low ceilings it's like a. different it's a different vibe yeah. it's a different vibe with more people. it's a different vibe with the bigger. bigger area like you said with the high. ceilings and it's just it's also you're. not connected to them you're it's a show. you're up there yeah you know one of the. things that I really like is the round. when you do Arenas in the round because. believe it or not it's kind of intimate. because even though there's like 16 000. people you're you're there's people all. around you right and you're looking at.

them and they're looking at the other. people on the other side too so it's. this like big circle of people right. it's It's oddly intimate you know it's. as weird as that sounds. that's really something that's really. something I know when I go I was very uh. connected to my jokes I'm like this is. all about these jokes it's all about. these jokes I'd fine-tune them and. everything but then I started to realize. it's it is the preparation is about your. jokes but it's also about two things one. going up and having a good time yeah you.

know what I mean like have fun with it. you did all the preparation now go up. and be playful with them go up and be. playful and be loose I have to tell. myself that because I'm connected to. that gun just like let's go to the jokes. and the other thing I started doing. before I would go up is uh. what you said love the crowd love them. like love them because they have hard. lives they're going through divorce. bankruptcy all kinds of like problems. and they they came out to get a break.

from that and like in my joke right now. I would forget that I was like this is. about the job it's about me it's like no. no no. connect with them because they maybe. need a break in their life you know and. be playful and you know love them before. you go up that always helps even if the. set goes bad and you have that mindset. going up it's much easier it's much. easier to deal with isn't it interesting. that stand up is such a big thing in. terms of like how many people go to see. it and how many people love it and you.

know how many shows there are on the. country at any given time it's a huge. art form in terms of like how many. people pay for it but. very few people. share how they do it and no one teaches. it right it's like no one can teach you. how to do your way because your way is. different than Nate's way Nate's way is. different than Ari shaffir's way like. everybody's got their own style and. their own thing and you kind of got to. teach yourself and all these things. you're saying like knowing how to just.

go out and love those people have a good. time be playful like you got to learn. that yeah but that's my thing because. I'm I'm connected to the jokes like if. you're a guy with a ton of Charisma and. no act like you have a different you. have a different set of struggles you. know what I mean so it's like yeah that. my thing is like don't be too connected. be loose with the jokes and as I've had. more experience it's easier you know. obviously you get your stage presence. down it's a long brutal process and it's. funny that the mindset of a competitor.

like your mindset of that can kind of. get in the way sometimes because you. think because you get so focused on you. know like you're saying like the jokes. the joke and you got to realize like no. this is like this is a fun thing that. you're you're doing like you can't get. too right that's absolutely true and the. guy but the guys I've seen the top level. wrestlers that I've seen the discipline. I came from the guys who are super super. good kale Sanderson that guy it's like. when he wrestles I just watched I went.

down to rabbit holes watching his NCAA. finals matches he just looks fluid you. know what I mean so it's like I'm. thinking that intense intense intense. but when a guy at that level goes out. and wrestles it it just he just looks. like he's flowing you know what I mean. there doesn't seem to be any tension in. his body whatsoever yeah and the guys. who are really good I found do that yeah. they're just they just flow they're. efficient they're efficient and they're. and he was like and the guys who are. really good offensive machines like.

they'll set something up set something. up and then and then just go to another. thing you know what I mean fluid like. water you know yeah I feel like. wrestling is one of those things that is. one of the most difficult difficult. Sports to compete in and yet one of the. most underappreciated in terms of like. public perception there's no real. professional Avenue other than like MMA. right or pro wrestling which is like. entertainment there's no but it's so. hard to do it's kind of interesting how. many sports become really popular and in.

terms of like being something that. people pay to see but wrestling never. did that right it never connected we. know I could see that I could see why. though I could see it just because if. you don't if you to the untrained eye it. just looks like two guys just and if. especially if the two guys are at the. high at a high high level it's very like. strategic what they're doing and there's. not that sometimes there could be not. much action because they're just trying. to get position and the other guy's so. good at staying in position it's like it. can be like a standoff that way so I.

understand why it's not entertaining to. the eye a lot to do but I kind of feel. like it could have been it feels like I. mean how's baseball popular it's like. you're not I'm not a baseball guy I. don't get it I appreciate it if people. play it I appreciate it if you love it. but for me yeah I I just do not. understand why that's entertaining yeah. and yet it's the big American Pastime. right it's it's it's a funny thing like. wrestling is way more exciting well I. root for all the wrestlers in the MMA oh. yeah UFC it's like it's like uh because.

it's like entertainment I root for all. the stand-ups if if a stand-up guy is. going against an improv guy for a job. I'm rooting stand-up oh yeah yeah you. gotta root for the discipline that you. came from oh for sure yeah and wrestling. is the most important discipline for MMA. I think yeah I think it's the foundation. because the wrestler can dictate where. the fight takes place you know if the. wrestler chooses to stand he can stand. the wrestler wants to get back up he can. get back up right and the wrestler knows. how to take the guy down whereas like. even though every fight starts standing.

up and it's a big Advantage for the. striker while they're standing up. wrestler the wrestler knows how to. strike the striker has to think about. two different things simultaneously yeah. that's the thing maybe this guy's gonna. shoot and what if this guy punches me. right if this guy kicks me right so. there's like so many more options that. the wrestler has and there's that threat. of the takedown yeah that looms large. right that like paralyzes guys with. anticipation. it's the most important foundation it's. it's everything in MMA if you can't. wrestle good luck because you unless you.

can land a wild shot like you know uh. Jorge Mazda and Ben askren unless you. get that wild shot off right away and. knock the guy out it's a long night. against the best one of the best. wrestlers right and that wild shot are. you going to be able to do that every. time most likely no yeah yeah if you. look at like overall success rate. wrestlers have a huge percentage of wins. and the the really good guys like Bo. nickel yeah like right away you see him. dominating guys with like all this. experience right because his skill set.

that one skill that he has wrestling. he's so much better than everybody else. yeah that it's just a massive massive. advantage and the training like I I took. Taekwondo when I was young and it's like. forms and you know punches and kicks and. forms but. when I started wrestling in eighth grade. 8th grade wrestling practice was so. intense that I thought that the coach. was punishing the football players on. the I thought are we being punished for. like two months I had to check out my. friends no no this is just what it is.

yeah and it's it's uh so I wrestled one. year in high school and I couldn't. believe how hard it was I I would. remember going home and my legs were so. sore after running stadium stairs that I. could barely walk and I was like this is. [ __ ] horrible and I didn't want to go. to class and I was so tired from. wrestling that I was like Jesus Christ. like how does anybody do this yeah it. was not and then the cutting weight also. which I'm sure you had to make weight. yeah for competition it just it's like. and we didn't know anything back then. and just like go eat pasta and just like.

eat less there was no like science. behind any of it and you weighed in the. day of the match too which is terrible. terrible one of the best things about. the UFC is that they cut weight the day. before I I hate cutting weight periods. right I my opinion on cutting weight for. fighting is that it's sanctioned. cheating like you're not really 170. pounds right you're 200 pounds but you. dry yourself out the week of and 24. hours yeah and you're you're losing 12. 13 pounds and then you rehydrate like. crazy like what what is the stupid thing.

that you're doing 24 hours before a cage. fight yeah you're literally almost dying. well some guys are just naturally close. to their weight I wrestle with guys like. that who are just like three or four. pounds above the weight just a very low. body fat yeah I wasn't like that I was. like a bulky guy and Husky and it's like. that means yeah you got to cut a lot of. weight to get that muscle mass that the. other guys might have naturally yeah to. make the optimal weight you know like. body weight for for competing right. because if you wrestle at a hot people. just go wrestle at a higher weight it's.

like then you're wrestling guys who've. cut down from a higher weight and. they're gonna just be stronger yeah it's. a big Advantage if you could do it right. like this weekend uh is uh Israel out of. Sonya versus Alex pajeda and Tejeda who. beat arasania in the last fight is. [ __ ] huge for 185. like I stand next to him like how the. [ __ ] is this guy wow 15 pounds lighter. than me that doesn't even make any sense. yeah [ __ ] huge but when he gets into. the cage on fight day he's 225. that's.

it's in boxing too I'm a huge boxing fan. and um I go see I live by the garden I. go see lomachenko anytime he's at the. Garden oh I gotta go see him fight he's. unreal but it's like he's gonna fight. Devin Haney you know so but he's like. it's a great fight I'm so happy it's. happening at 135 but Haney I think cuts. down from fifth 150 one six something. like that he's walking around and uh but. that's almost tiny llamas for that guy. yeah he's much smaller than those guys. and that you saw that in the Tia female. Lopez yeah like Lopez is Big he is scary.

yeah you know it's just that power it's. just such a big Advantage for a big guy. who cuts a lot of weight to get to 35. right the Llama won't go down he won't. go down to 130 he's like no I want the. challenge I think he wants a challenge a. lot of these Ukrainian Eastern black. guys like they want they want the smoke. man they want the challenge they do but. I was a little disappointed in his. perceptions of uh the Lopez fight after. he lost like he thought he won that. fight I was like that's crazy I mean he.

made it you could see halfway through. the fight his Corner must have been. telling him you're in trouble yeah. because he he picked up the pace um like. halfway through that fight it was too. late he made adjustments and he had a. big 11th round yeah I remember the 11th. he was really putting it on him and I. was like oh man maybe Loma was going to. take this yeah and then the 12th Lopez. came out strong right right that kid had. such a hard job dude such a dangerous. job to get through he came out at the. beginning of the fight and established. it you know what I mean I remember that. and it's like wow is and and Lomo takes.

some. two three rounds of download what the. guy's doing he doesn't he's not he's a. slower starter because he just kind of. like is measuring him and almost to the. point you're like what what's happening. yeah you know I mean if you're like. unskilled like I'm just a fan but it's. like he does that for two or three. rounds and then he's just like oh I. figured it out and then picks it up and. picks the guy apart it's too bad that. he's so small because if he was larger. in like a natural 135 or a natural 140. or something like that there's so many. big fights for him and it'd be really.

exciting to see yeah but to see a guy. like that we really should be fighting. 130 yes going up against these guys that. are cutting down from 150 155 it's just. a just a big Advantage there's a lot of. guys at 135 who are very very tough you. know the tank Ryan fight oh yeah I can't. wait to see that I'm so happy that got. made yeah me too I'm really interested. like I'm a giant gervante fan I think. that guy is so unusual yeah his style so. unusual and it's like patience yes yeah. the Leo Santa Cruz fight was really.

something for me because Leo Cruise the. technician he's great Mexican style like. but he's also a technician and the fight. was very close. before a tank stopped him yeah but he. has that power that can end it well he. finds these openings and he sees him but. he doesn't go after him right away he. waits for the right time he's so patient. right like when you watch the early. rounds of his fights he's like at a. world champions that are competing today. at the highest level he probably has the.

lowest punch count in the early rounds. yeah because he's just wait but he also. knows he's got that nuclear option that. if you can [ __ ] crack you most likely. he's going to take you out he's got. massive confidence in that but the thing. is can you rely on that um you know what. I mean because at the end you know that. uh Pitbull Cruise fight it's like that. was very that was very close pit bull. crew is a tough guy Mexican just staying. in the pocket with him you know what I. mean so it's like. it's like a Deontay wild Wilder thing. where it's like you're just waiting on. that one punch but it's like you can't. lose every round up to that either right.

right right yeah it's it's interesting. right like you don't know whether. someone's ever going to be able to. figure that out or whether or not he's. just gonna keep cracking people yeah you. know so it's part of the fun of watching. it I've talked to a lot of like real. boxing purists it's like you can't rely. on that style right he's got to be. busier when he gets to the best guys. it's not going to work out like well. we'll see yeah we'll see because there's. so many good guys Stevenson Chris. Stevens was a 130. I'd like to see him. and lomachenko yes even the guy that uh.

lomachenko just beat Ortiz which was in. it was a sparring partner years ago yeah. he looked great I was at that fight yeah. he looked unreal yeah he looked unreal. but for lomachenko that was a great. adjustment after the Lopez fight too. right yeah I mean he really looked like. he's coming and he apparently had some. shoulders yes he was hurt yeah I think. he got hurt halfway through the uh. tiafimo fight to be honest. I think he heard a hand or a shoulder he. wasn't himself yeah well not that's a. TFM who fought unbelievably yeah yeah. and then you see what comboses did to.

tiafimo yeah and then you see what Devin. Haney did to cambosa's two fights in a. row all right Jesus Christ went to. Australia I mean I think that's a lot. you deserve a lot of credit [ __ ] yeah oh. he's so good yeah he's so good there's. him and and. um lomachenko is going to be very. interesting great fight very very. interesting very technical fight yeah. there's so many good Fighters now it's a. really good time for boxing and finally. they're making the Terence Crawford. Errol Spence fight for June 17th right. but I'm following that like crazy but.

it's like they try to do that before so. I don't get too excited I don't know. until they actually make what's going on. with that that's weird like when when. um Terence decided to fight that other. dude for his last fight he never was. like what the [ __ ] like what I thought. you were gonna fight Errol Spence now. it's all falling apart and you know. luckily they made it though so if it's. signed and ready to go for it signed yet. is it I don't know I mean they're. announcing it they're talking they're. announcing it they're announcing they. have plans they're doing weird [ __ ] with. boxing like that like like usick and. Tyson Fury I thought it was a done deal.

like look it's happening and now you. know it gets to this point where uh. Tyson Fury was like hold 70 I'm the. [ __ ] Gypsy King of like 70 and and U6. like okay 70 and it still fell apart. well he offered him 70 30. yeah I didn't. think that it was no one thought ousic. was going to take that he goes no I'll. take it yeah what's a win he wants to. fight he wants the legacy on yeah I mean. yeah Tyson is more of a draw yeah so I. understand that but usick has three. belts yeah but Tyson's more of a draw.

like if you can do 70 30 and you'll. still make a [ __ ] ton of money I mean. that's a [ __ ] big fight I mean that's. a world watch gigantic you know 200. million dollar fight so he'll make 30 of. that fine. yeah but I think the sticking point was. the rematch clause Tyson wanted 50 50 on. the rematch clause so you lose the fight. and then the rematch clause is 50 50. you don't have any belts I would take it. it's I think it's still worth it because. the name it's like what brings asses in.

seats right it's the name if they have. the rematch and usick instead decides to. fight you know whether it's Wilder or. whoever it's not going to be as big a. fight Anthony Joshua it's not going to. be as big a fight the big fight is Tyson. Fury that's I think that's reasonable 70. 30 if you could beat me 50 50. I think. it's reasonable. yeah but after the seven after the 70 30. you're going all right you're pushing me. but he's a Gypsy King yeah he's the. father I know he's a huge draw I know. he's the biggest [ __ ] draw in.

heavyweight boxing and he might be the. best Everett ever he's a [ __ ] freak. of nature yeah I mean he really is and. he's such a personality I mean yeah he. sings that song After the. he sings after that I'm like this is. pretty good the song is American Pie. it's unbelievable yeah he's like an. Entertainer as a Pacquiao Pacquiao used. to fight he used to go out and do. karaoke yeah after the fights yeah it's. like that's bananas you know Manny. Pacquiao's like a professional level. pool player is he really yeah like. really good like he could like if he. decided to stop fighting and never box.

again he can compete as a professional. pool that's nuts yeah he's really good. man I've watched him play I'd watch um. him and May Mayweather do like. one-on-one basketball they both like. play basketball you know like and then. this is so competitive so competitive. yeah Mayweather's unbelievable I mean. watching him fight and some people don't. get it they just like I had a friend and. he was like he's boring no knockouts. I go but he's a top level guy multiple. time world champion and he's dismantling.

other multiple time world champions and. not getting hit yeah is there anything. there I don't know I go it's just he's. boring I don't like him I go okay. maybe is it possible. that you don't know what you're watching. yeah maybe is it is it could it be that. I don't know I like knockouts. I go then you should watch Butterbean. and he goes yeah I like butter bean I go. good it ends up being like a.

five-year-old argument good I will I go. you should I will good good. you know what I mean but for him to like. just have that run is dismantling guys. you're gonna always gonna have casuals. like that yeah in every sport an MMA. that's a big thing people only like. Knockouts they boo and fights go to the. ground right okay. but is there a thing in MMA where it's. like uh are they calling stalemates. faster. you mean getting people back up yeah. like if that if the guy's on top and. he's not making progress or the guy on.

bottom isn't getting a wrist or working. towards um you know a submission will. they stop them and stand them up faster. I think that's better for the sport and. in wrestling they'll hit him they'll hit. guys with stalling quick to keep the. Action Moving I know that's not a thing. in MMA but you know it does help the it. used to be in Pride they would give him. a yellow card and it would take 10 of. your purse so if you got a yellow card. in Pride that meant you weren't trying. to win or you were stalling and if the. referee pulled that yellow card out.

people were [ __ ] freaking out like. you know if you're getting paid a. million dollars a hundred thousand. dollars is now gone yeah for that yellow. card you're like [ __ ] right and that's a. big deal yeah is it a warning first they. give a warning before they put the. yellow card I think it was up to the. referee's discretion and pride I don't. remember exactly how they did it but. when they did it it was a big [ __ ]. deal and the crowd would cheer and you. know and then the guy would adjust. accordingly because if you've got two. yellow cards you're [ __ ] yeah I mean I. don't even know if they gave two yellow. cards I don't remember that ever. happening I'm sure it did but I don't.

remember it ever happening in a fight. but in MMA the the controversy is about. whether or not you should stand someone. up because you have five minutes and if. someone takes someone down and they're. on top of them it's up to the person. who's on the bottom to get back up yeah. like that that's your job and the guy on. top it's up to him to hold you down I. don't believe in stand-ups it might be. more entertaining for the audience right. but I'm a purist in terms of like I. think you should control your own. destiny in there and if a guy can hold.

you down and just punch you in the face. while you're on the even if it's boring. right he's doing what he wants to do. right and you can't do anything about. that yeah that means he's winning and I. think that any interference of that is. against the purity of the sport that's. interesting yeah I don't I mean I do. understand that it could be boring if a. guy can hold a guy down and control is. boring but it is the guy on top. initiating a action I think that. sometimes is he initiating action is he. trying to win the is he advancing his.

position wrestling it's advancing your. position by punching punching in the. face is advancing it's a way of. advancing your position in terms of. winning the fight yeah but it's open to. interpretation like say if like he's. inside control and he's only. occasionally like Hammer fisting the guy. but the guy's in no danger being stopped. there's a there's an argument that. that's stalling but I don't buy that. argument because it's only a five minute. round and for a Grappler it's really. hard to take someone down like you're. dealing with kicks and knees and punches. and you're trying to find the opening. and then you level change you get the.

shot maybe you switch from a double to a. single you know you run the pipe you get. the guy on the ground all that took a. minute and a half and if you're holding. the guy down and then the referee comes. like uh keep moving action you know like. Advance your position and then they. stand to back up but what the [ __ ] is. that like that guy couldn't get up if it. was if it was no one here to stop that. right if this was just a fight out in. the field somewhere that guy eye on top. controls the fight he does the [ __ ] he. wants to do and if that guy gets tired.

eventually he'll move to mount and just. start beating the [ __ ] out of him but. it's important that his skill set is. expressed his skill set is his ability. to control the guy right and if you're. on the bottom and you can't get back up. I don't care if it's boring tough [ __ ]. yeah your job is to get back up and if. you can't get back up that guy wins. right even if he wins a boring ass fight. where he just takes you down and gives. you noogies for five rounds yeah tough. [ __ ] you got to figure out how to knock. it take it down or get back up or submit. him off your back or find some kind of. scramble or you can get on top right and.

if you can't do that then you lose. because that's what the fight's all. about and of course like in terms of. like the people that go to pay they are. going to pay more to see the exciting. people like Conor McGregor right right. to Jon Jones is the people that stop. people and finish people yeah and. they're the big draws but if you can Ben. ask her in your way to a career and Ben. did it for a long time we just took guys. down and [ __ ] nugget him into a coma. yeah like touch [ __ ] that's my feeling I. don't like stand-ups I'd hate them I. wouldn't especially like sometimes.

they'll stand someone up from a dominant. position like someone will get to side. control and the referee will stand them. up and I'm just going what the [ __ ] are. you doing wow it's so hard to get there. you're only giving a guy five minutes to. work and you got to think it probably. took a minute or so to get the guy down. not just a minute or so but it is a lot. of energy a lot of you're a lot of. energy to take a guy and then if you get. taken if you get taken out of that and. stood back up again now you're tired and. this guy is striking is probably a. strong sign right right right and now.

you're in his realm and you expended all. this energy and it's taken away from you. by a bad referee right I [ __ ] hate it. yeah I think it's dumb I think it should. be eliminated I really do I don't like. it at all I don't think there's ever a. time that they should stand people up I. don't think there's ever a time they. should separate someone if they got. someone pressed up against the cage and. they're kneeing them in the body and. elbowing them sometimes referees will. decide there's not enough action they. separate them I hate that too I don't. believe in any of it I don't think you. should do anything to make it more. exciting for the casuals.

yeah because the best guys are always. going to be exciting yeah it's just. you're gonna have it's just like. everybody's like we want blood all the. time yeah you don't always get blood. yeah action movies aren't always action. sometimes the the hero and the woman. kiss yeah yeah that's right so that's. why that's why Dana like Stacks the. cards yeah in case you have it if you. have a a fight that's not as exciting. well they they're very I mean it's. obviously they're different than me. because they're promoters and they're. selling a product I'm a martial artist.

and so what I want to see is someone. compete to the full ability right the. full extent of their abilities and. something that gets in the way that is. stand-ups I don't like it and but but. I'm not it's not like a universal. opinion like but I don't agree with me a. lot of people don't agree with me right. because they're casuals you're not even. kind of understanding the technical even. fans the technical uh aspect of what you. just said yeah but even I understand. that yeah even hardcore it's like. there's a lot of Hardcore fans don't. agree with me they said no no you can't. just hold the guy down you get you gotta.

you gotta Advance position right okay. why tell me why because the guy wants to. win and if he could just win by taking. guys down and if the audience booze and. he doesn't get popular because of it. okay yeah so what Willie Pep won fights. without throwing a pun right we won a. whole round right without throwing a. punch just moving and dancing it was so. masterful yeah and people had to agree. it's like what do you want him to do. just Arturo Gotti and [ __ ] just stand. right in front of them and just throw. bombs like Mickey Ward oh yes yeah. sometimes it's fine it's unreal yeah.

then you saw what happened on a turo. gotti fought Floyd yeah yeah like that. [ __ ] didn't work no against a master not. at all yeah not at all it was great. Diego Corrales versus Julio Luis oh my. God that fight it was crazy I mean I. love the Gotti Ward fight but that fight. for me is the greatest fight in history. that I've seen in the modern era because. he came back I just it the first ten. they're just you expected Diego because. of his reach to keep him on the outside. and he didn't.

he just stood in a phone booth with him. and they just traded and it was as the. round like you're like oh my God this. can this continue right they're just in. a phone booth and and just at a high. high skill level working on the inside. both of them and just trading brutal. shots and nobody taking a step backwards. yeah and it was Unreal and then the 10th. round where he gets knocked down and. goose and he spits the mouthpiece out. goose and puts it back in and then uh. and then he stops because I mean it was.

just the same I think they play that. I'm sorry I think they play that at. corporate Retreats they play round 10 of. that they should play the whole fight. but they play round 10 of that fight in. corporate retreats. to be like. just never give up you never give up. sometimes you should give up. that round 10 I mean it's it's almost. like it's what it's like watching a. rocking yeah there it is it's it's.

emotional to watch oh my God yeah. it was an incredible fight and he was in. real trouble real trouble sometimes yeah. and when he got dropped I mean there's. several times where it looked like the. end look at that left hook oh my God I. mean did you see the Caleb pan Kayla. plant uh benavidez fight last weekend. yes [ __ ] hey man yeah and you know. what and and that's a good spot though. that's a good stoppage oh yeah he looked. like he was out on his feet but you. could make an argument that Corrals. could have got stopped earlier than that.

yeah I mean it's one of those things. it's very subjective yeah referees have. stopped fights for way less well the. fury Deontay Wilder fight where he's. down and you know he he opens his eyes. you know the famous he opens his eyes. and gets back up Jack Jack Reese Jack. Reese is the ref I think and deontay's. Camp was complaining that he wasn't. counting whatever but it's like Jack. Reese is great he's a great ref he. always gives the guy the op he's like. I'm gonna count the tank gives the. opportunity for the guy to get up just. you never thought Fury was getting up no. way his eyes were closed on the ground.

on his Defender with his arms above his. head like he's just Flatline it's. unbelievable and then he rises and wins. the rest of the round which is crazy and. that win for the rest of the round made. the blueprint for the second fight. because he realized like Wilder has a. hard time when people put him on his. heels right when people back him up and. so then he came out the second fight. just backing him up and stopped him yeah. yeah look at that yeah I mean look at. this his arms are flailed to the side. yeah his his eyes are rolled back.

and he looks like he's done yeah he. really does he looks at the referee the. referee's County goes okay back to work. right and you I was watching at home I. remember screaming oh my God I was by. myself. screaming oh my God and then he got back. up I was like wait no way no way and he. he's like I'm fine let's go and the. referee says okay walk to here that's. great look at this [ __ ] shot oh my. God and the right hand before it too so. he cracks him with the right hand boom.

and nobody punches harder than Deontay. he's unreal He's Got The Touch Of God I. mean those two those two I didn't see. the that those two punches are. unbelievable and look while there's a. hundred percent convinced as he walks. off that it's over yeah and he makes the. like the throat cut thing yeah yeah he. does a little dance and then you see the. look in his eyes when Tyson gets up he's. like oh [ __ ] how. look at this he does a throw cut thing I. mean nobody on Earth other than Tyson. Fury is getting up there right which is.

so crazy Deontay Wilder is the greatest. knockout artist in the history of the. heavyweight division there's no one. that's had one punch knockouts like that. guy the Louis Ortiz fight just catches. him on the floor was losing every round. yes yeah I mean and then you see Deonte. is like I can't believe this. [ __ ] is still up and then you. there's also like an emotional thing. that happened look at the wildest yeah. to be able to survive that first of all. I mean I have a huge respect for mental. toughness and the mental toughness it.

took it takes to get up yeah and then. and then you know the guy who just did. that to you is waiting on the other side. yeah of the Ring to come and do it again. and then he moves forward he survives. the initial barrage and then he starts. moving forward then he dings Deontay and. you see Deonte got rocked at one point. and he starts pushing him back I'm like. oh my God he won the rest of the round. like you literally made it like a a 99. round yes it's which is crazy I love. that yeah but I love the fortitude that.

it takes in that moment to compose your. first of all the mental toughness to get. up and then the fortitude all of these. intangibles like I'm a boxing guy but. it's all of these underlying things. which makes me love the sport you know. the composure that it takes you know. it's just it's it's really unbelievable. that's why I love the sports so much. well you're not a casual. look at him he's dancing like he thought. it was now walking through look in his. face when he sees Tyson get up. like they start counting him he's like. this fight is [ __ ] over I don't know.

if they're gonna show it here but. there's a look where you see deontay's. face right there oh [ __ ] I don't believe. this let me start breathing differently. let me start breathing differently. because I gotta go finish the job here. yeah. and then he gets up and you know Deontay. I'm sure thought he was going to put him. away he puts everybody away right but. they're talking now about Deontay versus. uh I think they're talking about Andy. Ruiz that's a great one but they might. be also talking about Deontay and usick. because I think usick is open now I just.

hope they put that fight together just. figure it out boys yeah that's the fight. yeah the fight's Tyson Fury and usick. it's the Undisputed World Heavyweight. Championship Deontay Wilder training as. promoter cancels another Vegas date. okay so Andy Ruiz Jr potentially is now. canceled see that's the thing that. boxing does it drives me nuts they set. these fights up they get your dick hard. right and then they pull them away from. you like [ __ ] Lucy with this football. yeah yeah that's right that's right but.

I think the thing is like the the um. Crawford Spence date it's like we're. floating the date of June 17th it's like. all right because that gets everybody's. hopes up for it and then they go well. now we got to negotiate we got to come. to the table and it's like yeah How's. that gonna go it didn't go well last. time and as a result Terence I think. just got frustrated with the. negotiations like I'm just gonna fight. some you don't think I'm I'll walk away. I'll go fight somebody else it's saying. it's April fools because they reported. on April 1st is that what they're saying.

I was trying to figure it out too but. this is the best I could get was that he. last he said is it's April fools yeah. what does that mean so they announced. April 22nd during Javonte Davis also it. will be announced so they're hoping it. will be announced if Crawford isn't. playing around it will disappoint many. fans who want to see him fight Spence. yeah that's the big fight at. welterweight that's a big fight right. but I think if they don't make the fight. then they they have to fight like they. have to fight the number one Contender. then there's Virgil Ortiz at 147's Boots.

Ennis who's a guy. amazing okay so you gotta fight that. yeah why are the mandatories not being. forced is my question I think it's just. money they're just trying to make the. biggest fights well the problem is that. you have these individual promoters and. you have these there's too many ibf WBC. these sanctioning organizations and it's. like you have to force you have to force. these fights yeah you can't I understand. the ticket sales and all that stuff is. important but if you want to maintain. your integrity as a sport. you have to you have to force these. fights yeah it's Anna should not be.

sitting there right as the number one. Contender for five years right exactly. good point yeah and also the world needs. to know how good boot sent us is yes. when you watch that guy fight and switch. stances. in there he's so exciting yeah and now. hopefully people will catch on and but. you know you do run the risk of like a. guy like that not being recognized. because he's in this sort of weird. situation where other people are getting. shots and he doesn't right but it's a. weird situation because I think Teddy. Atlas has said this on multiple.

occasions it's structured badly the. sport is structured badly whereas like. in in UFC it's Dana making decisions. yeah and you need that you need a guy at. the top going now this this is gonna. happen yeah and if you don't want it to. happen or if a guy's having personal. problems like Jon Jones or whatever that. was like okay I mean you're still a. legend and you will get the shot when. you're ready and to come back but the. show goes on Tom Brady you know gets her. rips his knee football doesn't stop.

right you know yeah there's a great. advantage that the UFC has in being the. promoter and so it's the organizations. the sanctioning body and it's also the. promoter right but it does take away. leverage from the fighters like you. can't say I want 70 30. you can't say. right like the way that boxing is. there's too many promoters there's too. many world titles right but the opposite. is the UFC where it's like there's. really only one title that means. something there's Bellator titles and. one FC titles but what everybody wants.

to be is the UFC champion of the world. that's what everybody wants to right. everybody right nobody says I'd rather. be the Bellator Champion no disrespect. to Bellator yeah but the reality is. that's not the same right it's and the. real reality is there's fighters in. Bellator that are World Championship UFC. caliber Fighters and they might not ever. get their due and they might lose their. competitive Prime competing against. other people in an organization where. less people to watch and maybe even more.

importantly less people are going to. respect right well so it's it's but in. boxing you know. you can't fight once a year you can't. fight once every 18 months and expect me. to still be interested in what you're. doing right like you have to fight more. you have to fight like three to canelo's. credit and three four times a year yeah. I understand these camps are like 12. weeks now and that's brutal it's brutal. the preparation but you know three four. times a year I mean. if you're fighting every two years it's.

like it holds up the division yep and. it's you know it's less competition it. does and there's so many big fights the. Canelo thing is very interesting right. because he loses to be Vol and then he. comes back and beats Triple G and looks. pretty good but then he had to get wrist. surgery right and you know then you see. what benavidez did the plan like. Benavides beat the [ __ ] yeah and how. tough is Caleb Kayla plan is so tough. and he's a very very skilled guy damn. skilled guy was an Olympian you know it. was an Olympian so very skill guy and. for David to do that it was really.

really impressive he's a murderous. puncher man but Caleb has a [ __ ] chin. on him man he stayed in it and refused. refused to get knocked out and really. tried to win The Battered yeah he got. [ __ ] battered I'm I'm super impressed. with benavidez like that was a big test. for him and Caleb in the beginning was. very slick yeah but benavide is just. kept pressing Anonymous yeah towards the. ladder half of the fight that's. traditionally been a problem with Caleb. that he starts to fade yeah in the later. rounds it's so much energy to keep a guy.

like that off you I think you got to. have power to keep me like that off you. because that guy has a um Benavides and. many guys like to have a suffocating. style they just you can hit him and that. does something to you mentally I think. where you hit a guy twice you hit him. with your best stuff and he just walks. he's walking through it yeah walking. forward walking you down it's like. all right I guess this is gonna be I'm. gonna have to move oh it's a tremendous. amount of energy I feel like I wonder if. Caleb could do something about his. strength and conditioning that takes it.

to another level because I feel like if. he could maintain the kind of pace that. he has in the early rounds of the Canelo. fight the early rounds at Benavides. fight if he can do that like man it's. gonna be really hard for people to [ __ ]. with him yeah but he has a mark there's. a there's a noticeable slowing down. right that happens and I wonder if. that's psychological I don't know how. you would mimic that pressure like I've. never been in a fight Camp before so I. don't know how you would mimic that. pressure. in uh sparring I think it would have to.

be in strength and conditioning I think. you would have to All Out dedicate. yourself to taking your VO2 max to a. completely new level yeah and you would. have to like really dedicate yourself in. that regard to just absolutely. annihilating your boundaries and pushing. your strength and conditioning to the. point where you can get like there was. this guy BJ Penn who's one of the. greatest MMA fighters of all time and. there's one point in time where BJ Penn. he started training with Marv marinovich.

and uh Marv marinovich was uh [ __ ]. and the marinovich's like they had a. style of training where they believe. that you already have the skill and. what's more important than anything is. cardio and so they would do just. ruthless Plyometrics yeah that was the. the entire camp for whatever amount of. weeks that you're doing it yeah most of. your time was dedicated to strength and. conditioning right and it was very.

systematic and it was very scientific. through the checking your resting heart. rate your heart rate variability right. monitoring your recovery and making sure. you're getting the right nutrients and. rest of rehydration and all that stuff. but the most important thing was the gas. tank right because you already know how. to fight yeah and what happens in fights. you still know how to fight but your gas. tank starts to fail and so when BJ Penn. was at his Prime in like the like the uh. if you look at there's a bunch of. different fights like Diego Sanchez Sean.

shirk where he was just destroying these. guys he had an Limitless gas tank yeah. and he had this incredible skill set. that he already had right and there's a. good argument for that that like at a. certain level what's most important is. cardio right so there's like several. schools of thought when it comes to that. right but even with the plyometric and. strength like you kind you have to mimic. that in sparring yes you have to mimic. that in training so that you can utilize. it well they did all that two I mean it. wasn't like you only did strength and.

conditioning but strength and. conditioning was primary but what's that. look like is that is that like a shark. bait type situation we called in. wrestling shark bait where one guy in. the middle and they just keep sending. you fresh guys yeah you know what I mean. they certainly did that but honestly. most of it was work like plios box jumps. all these different things where you. just had your ability to work your you. it was all about your cardio all about. your ability to constantly work right. and you already had efficiency and.

you're striking and you're grappling all. these different things and so you would. do drills for those things right so you. keep all your your weapons sharp but the. primary focus was strength and. conditioning and I'm always intrigued by. that because it's the most brutal way to. do it it's so hard to stay motivated. because sparring is fun if you're in. there sparring you know there's. something exciting about it there is. nothing fun about jumps there's nothing. fun about running hills box drunks box. jumps and running hills till fail to.

till fail is the key there because. everybody think um you know it's like no. no no it's like the goal is to throw up. yeah the goal is to break your body yes. and then have it like right there where. it's broken and then recover right and. then get yourself right back there again. recover and now all sudden your. threshold bumps up a little more right. and so now you can go an extra round now. you can go an extra minute now you can. go an extra minute 30. now now you're. you're really pushing it and now you're. seeing these things that used to kill. you now you can get through them and you.

at the end you're recovering quicker and. that that's the idea and I wonder if a. guy like Kayla plant if if you could get. him to an insane level of cardio where. he could compete at that that pace that. he does in the early fight because in. the early part of the fight that guy's. slick yes he's so very slow guy he was. moving nice but then he starts standing. in front of benavidez and then benavidez. is he's so accurate and he he gets his. punches a. and uppercuts and Jabs yeah I'm just I.

love his style he throws punches and. bunches too he's not throwing one punch. no yeah Smothers you yeah stays on you. and he's a brutal puncher too and at the. end of the fight like he didn't have a. scratch no he didn't it's crazy Caleb. looked like you've been through a meat. grinder yeah it's probably something so. I think that's the fight at 168. yeah I. think you guys Canelo but yeah. everybody's calling for that bival um. Canelo rematch and I just don't. see it I don't I I think we saw it yeah.

you know with some of these fights it's. like I think we saw it we don't need a. Trilogy yeah I think we saw it maybe you. know but but when you got a champion. like Canelo he thinks he could do it. better and he thinks he's like okay I. understand what he did and maybe he knew. coming into that fight because he had he. did have a wrist problem that he had in. the Triple G fight too so he probably. had that that problem already right who. knows but I think Fort bival the big. fight is better be if.

yeah but the atmosphere he's just like. Joe yeah let's go Joe and then better. beef uh comes in the ring and uh the. fight starts and it's just no disrespect. to Joe Smith he's unbelievable but it. looked like I'm just a man fighting a. small child yeah it was just brutal man. better be better. he gets no headlines I know and he what.

is he like 19-0 with 19 Knockouts he's. the only I don't I think it's 19. he's. the only boxer at a world championship. level that stopped every single one of. his opponents in every fight he's ever. been in and he's super skillful but he. fights like a [ __ ] Destroyer just. moves straight towards you that Russian. style yeah 19-0 with 19 Knockouts yeah. [ __ ] crazy the Anthony yard fight. like.

is so tough nobody knows who he is you. know if it wasn't for people talking. about him and YouTube clips like yeah. it's zero press you get zero press and. he like uh they ask him about have you. seen this guy fight what about this guy. he's like I'm not really a boxing fan. that's what he said that's what he said. he goes I'm not really a boxing fan I. just like to focus on my family you know. and that accent is like bro you're like. man that's kind of focus on my family's. boxing is my job it's funny a lot of.

those guys have that mentality where. it's like boxing is my job and I guess. you kind of yeah it's how it keeps him. sane because his work rate is [ __ ]. Preposterous I mean that you ever see. that guy train holy [ __ ] yeah he's a. monster he's a monster and then when you. hear him talk he's so like respectful. yeah it's weird watching that demon come. out when he gets inside the ring yeah it. just looks like he doesn't and a lot of. these Russians have that which is it. looks like it's just workmen-like they.

don't have like the emotion that we do. here in the west they just it looks like. they're just in there and regardless of. what you throw at them it's just workmen. like what they're going to do it's. pretty crazy well it's you know they're. coming from a hard world yeah yeah. that is a [ __ ] hard world that's. there's something about those European. or Eastern Bloc like from Soviet Union. former Soviet Union guys and from Russia. and Pakistan they're so tough so tough. and there's something to be said for.

like come I mean it's just like kids. from the ghetto in the United States. right right those are the best fighters. yeah people who just came from the Heart. Like Mike Tyson yeah from Brownsville. right those are the people from Bedford. Sky those are the people that are just. the [ __ ] monsters and then with the. training with the training also it hones. that you know I think there should be. something that would help boxing is um. you ever you know you watch Showtime has. all access now. um HBO used to have 24 7. the um. documentary series I think that should.

be for every fight it would make boxing. far more popular because these guys have. these guys have uh such impressive. stories and to tell that story it's like. there's documentaries about everything. now about nonsense it's like they should. have a documentary for each fight. because you want to see their Journey. like where they came from there's it's. just it's it's really something to see a. kid who has nothing born into extreme. poverty become a world like Javonte. Davis yeah coming from povertick his. story to being a world champion it's.

like it's an inspiring story it is and. it's great for everyone because it gives. you fuel like for a person who's coming. up in in life even if you're not a. fighter you see what someone's gone. through and you see the success of that. hard work has created right and it can. be a road map for your own life it. really can be it translates oh man for. sure and that's what uh Goggins Goggins. is my favorite he's my favorite guy man. I watch all this stuff I I put on. there's a thing on now YouTube called.

Goggins motivation so I'll be stretching. and it's just him talking yeah it's just. he's unreal man no he's unreal and. that's that guy you want to talk about. mental toughness that guy's destroyed. knees yeah and he runs thousands of. miles it's just like every day he's. running 15 20 miles every day right. destroyed knees but he he's taken his. life where he came from which is a. terrible terrible situation and. transformed himself that's what I love. about him yeah the fact and he and he's. able to articulate it yeah you know and.

he does it very well and he also talks. about mental toughness in a way that. I've never heard anybody talk about. mental toughness you know when I was. growing up maybe it's the same for you. it's like you got to be mentally tough. you got to be mentally tough you got to. suck it up suck it up and it's like. you're processing that but he breaks. down what does that actually mean. in the suck which is what he call you. know what I mean like it's that. conversation that you're having with. yourself that we all have with ourselves. when we're suffering well what Dave does. is he does it in silence like there's no. one around and he's doing it no one's.

forced him to do it and he does it. because he wants to learn about himself. right and the way I've had conversations. with him about it where he goes I'm. getting that deep knowledge. when I'm suffering when I'm out there. running those miles I get that deep. knowledge I'm downloading information. like the way he's thinking about it like. his [ __ ] heart is pounding his knees. are aching yeah he he doesn't want to. keep going but he's like finding his own. threshold finding his own limitations. and then knowing that he can push. through that because he's done it before.

I mean he's almost died like multiple. times yes rhabdo and right doing those. 200 mile races and pissing [ __ ] Diet. Coke out of his dick right so that's. what it looks like your body's breaking. down your kidneys are breaking down. right and you know God goes to the. hospital he ran I think it was the Moab. 240. they had to take him out of the. race because uh he got rhabdo so he goes. to the hospital recovers goes back to. the spot where they had to pull him and. finishes the race. I love that he's like you're not beating.

that's so great he's like I'm going to. complete this [ __ ] race even if it's. two weeks later yeah yeah drop me off at. the spot where I stopped that's amazing. yeah it's it's inspiring it's very it's. also him also talking about shutting out. the noise because it just that's the. society we live in now there's a lot of. noise around there's a lot of things. that can addict you and if we I think. you have to be more disciplined now than. ever yeah you know what I mean for the. kids coming up too it's like this wasn't. all this stuff wasn't around when we. were coming up you know what I mean it's. like social media and all this other.

stuff that's just not good for you and. he he talks about going silent and just. quieting your mind and focusing you know. on the other hand for Fighters the good. aspect of the digital world that we live. in now is you have access to like Marvin. Hagler versus Tommy Hearns you know you. could watch Vito and a firmo fight you. can watch all these people from bygone. days where you could see their technique. and their movement and what they did and. you can get inspiration from that. instantaneously phone yes I mean I do.

love that [ __ ] it's incredible and. that's why people are so good today in. everything right in everything in comedy. you're seeing these comedians I'm. watching these [ __ ] door guys that we. have hired at the mothership and these. [ __ ] guys are like three years in. right and they're like I just watch. comedy on YouTube I'm constantly. watching commenting and you're watching. them on stage like these guys are kind. of advanced yeah for three years three. hours yeah [ __ ] terrible yeah that. was terrible three years yeah and these. guys are doing really well they have. good structure their jokes are written.

well good stage presence they have an. understanding of it that's a Next Level. because they've seen the Rodney. dangerfields the Eddie Murphy the Chris. Rock they've seen all these people and. they they get a sense of what it's all. about whereas those guys had to get it. from being in the clubs only for being. in the club yeah these guys before they. even step into a club have like an. education in stand-up comedy right and. that's the beautiful thing about the. digital world yeah it's just this thing. requires discipline yes it requires a.

lot of [ __ ] excellent and if you. don't have that yeah you're going to get. sucked in right you know and right I see. it I see it with my own kids they we. have to take their phones away when we. eat dinner like come on put the phone. over here that's great on the counter or. I'll sit down have a meal together we. take it away from them on Sundays no. phones we're all hanging out let's just. do it this way but if you leave it on. the phone though I'm just gonna put it. on my chair okay and then you see him. checking Tick Tock get out of there yeah. get out of there you little [ __ ] stuff. yeah you'd be surprised how many. families don't have those rules yeah you.

gotta have the rules and they have to. see it with you that's that's what's. important they have to see the parents. right you can leave it alone if the. parents are hanging out with them. they're not paying attention yeah that's. a problem right right you know and just. it's easy to do and it's easy you know. with me I would make excuses like I. gotta work I gotta answer these emails I. gotta do this which is true but still. not yeah don't do it yeah and you know. we all have problems these are the most. addictive things in terms of attention. that anybody's ever experienced in.

history absolutely yeah yeah absolutely. because you're you know you're doing. your job whatever it's a it's a little. vacation you know to go and scroll and. take your mind off everything but it. just you're right well you said you. nailed it it's like it sucks you in it. sucks you in and and there's but there's. so much good information out there. that's really true so on how to improve. your life yeah like it's right there and. then references on books you can read. and all kinds of other stuff where you. can like oh no let me get focused here. and there's also plenty of people. talking about the dangers of addiction. to social media yeah where you really.

can get an understanding of it's not. like just sneaking up on you right. everybody kind of knows what's happening. while it's happening and then it's up to. you either you you know set up like uh. like a screen time thing where you know. you only have an hour on this app and. after a while it just shuts you out or. you just decide like I'm going to get. things done and you know and if I'm. gonna look at social media for 10. minutes or whatever the [ __ ] it is. that's my little reward right just don't. get sucked in right I do it in the.

morning morning it's [ __ ] it's a real. problem in the morning for me because I. I take a [ __ ] when I wake up right so I. take a [ __ ] I got that phone and next. thing you know I'm like it doesn't take. 20 minutes to take a [ __ ] stupid like. what are you doing in here you're just. pretending to be going to the bathroom. while you're scrolling through social. media isn't that something that you have. to have that truthful conversation with. yourself still to this day yeah yeah and. it's good that you can call yourself out. on that I was like lying to myself in. there I was flying to myself yeah I lie.

to myself every morning but my God just. gotta check it real quick but I don't. need to do a cold plunge yeah yeah man. do that thing first yeah that cold. plunge like you're not thinking about. anything else yeah I do the cold plunge. but I usually have to go to the bathroom. first that's the problem yeah I'll go to. the bathroom without my phone right so. sometimes I'll wake up at like eight. o'clock and it's 8 40 before I get in. the water yeah like why did it take so. long well because I had to say hi to the. dog yeah yeah I gotta get up I have a. plus you're not rushing to get to that. water you know. no I do it every day but I don't want to.

do it every day so every day like as I'm. walking towards there's all this. self-talk where my brain's like come on. yeah you don't have to do this and. there's the other part of me is going. shut the [ __ ] up great just get in there. and I always do it but that talk it's. never like I'm looking forward to it. it's a smooth walk there there's no. mental hiccups this is that's happened. zero [ __ ] times I love that every. [ __ ] time I've gone walk toward that. thing pick up the lid I'm like oh my God.

are you really doing this I set the. timer on and my foot hits the water I'm. like okay we're in and then but once I'm. in it's fine yeah yeah once I mean it's. fine and once I but there's always that. that moment like 30 seconds in where. your body's like let's get the [ __ ] out. of here yeah and you're like hey shut up. [ __ ] yeah like we're in here yeah I. love that we're in here for three. minutes no matter what happens so just. [ __ ] deal with it and then when I get. out I'm always happier yes but it's just. that [ __ ] talk that you have to have. in your brain yeah while you get up.

there like I know I'm not going to. listen I know that right inner [ __ ] is. not going to win that's power though man. but that [ __ ] is so persistent I. love it though every day he's like come. on that's the Power Man overcoming it. not listening to it like now we're gonna. do this yeah we're gonna do this and I. think that lends you power to other. parts of your life oh it definitely does. it's really great I do cold showers you. know I don't have a plunge but I do cold. showers and it's never it's never. Pleasant hours in the east coast I do.

the Steam and then I'll just no matter. where I put it on and just do that do. the Wim Hof do the breathing in the in. the cold the problem with Texas is the. water never really gets cold enough yeah. it does in the winter it gets pretty. cold I've taken some cold showers in the. winter I'm like it's pretty cold but. it's not enough it's just it's the one. like cold shower here is like mildly. unpleasant yeah I want brutal I want. brutal you know it's like getting. through that at the beginning of the day. first of all it raises up your dopamine. mean like Andrew huberman and Susannah.

Solberg have put out all these. scientific papers and podcasts and have. all these discussions about the benefits. for your dopamine increases 200 it lasts. for hours and norepinephrine all these. like real tangible benefits but the. resilience like having the ability to. say to that inner [ __ ] [ __ ] you ever if. you watched me you would think oh my God. this guy's so stoic he's a soldier he. just walks in that thing every day but. you don't know what's going on in my. head in my head I'm like come on [ __ ] I.

love it let's go let's go have a coffee. first so great that's like Gaga's. looking at his shoes for four hours. exactly looking at his shoes for four. hours like you're gonna run I'm scared. those [ __ ] for a half hour. before I put them on but he just lets. you know like it's it does you're never. going to win that battle you always win. but you're never going to not have that. inner conversation where the Comfort. you're you everybody wants that Comfort. yeah it's just being the boss you know. my friend John Joseph always says is. when it's time to tell your mind tells.

your body who the [ __ ] the boss yeah. that's really what it is it's a it's a. philosophy it's a mental philosophy that. you have to have and you have to. implement yeah yeah but if you have the. philosophy that's the first that's. that's it as long as you adhere to it as. long as you adhere it but boy it's so. easy to not do it like today I got some. stem cells shot in my knee and I can't. do the cold plunge for 72 hours so for. 72 hours I get to be a [ __ ] but the. problem is in my head I know three days. from now that [ __ ] cold punch is like.

hey [ __ ] yeah remember me it's even. colder now that's great I'm feeling that. too when I'm in a warm climate like this. and then go back to New York and hit. those cold showers there I'm gonna feel. it yeah it's gonna be it's going to be a. wake up yeah yeah if you get to a point. where you got a yard and you can get a. cold plunge I can't recommend it enough. it's so in a sauna if you have the two. of them yeah because they both test you. in a different way song is 20 minutes. you know and at 189 degrees which is. what I that's my sweet spot when I get. to like 15 minutes and I check my watch.

I'm like [ __ ] those last five minutes. are rough they're rough but I think it. does elevate your mood and it really. does fight depression it really does. fight depression yeah it's kind of crazy. that like struggle fights depression. yeah but it really does if you don't. have any physical struggle in your life. and you're just dealing with the anxiety. of existence like what I that's what I. find when I get hurt when I get injured. and I have to take a few days off right. I'm like boy do I rely on that for my.

mood and to just overcome the adversity. and just deal with all the [ __ ] a. pressure of life right but adversity is. necessary and that thing that's the. thing's been kind of overrun today in. society the society that we live in now. people don't recognize that I don't. think all of my friends who don't do. anything physical they're the ones who. struggle the most mentally right I I. have so many friends that have like so. many like weird mental problems anxiety. problems yeah especially Comics that.

don't do anything physically but the. ones that do something physically they. have such an advantage because you're. calmer it's like you're taking a drug. that allows you to deal with the. [ __ ] right mind-body connections. here yeah yeah it is real yeah and. unfortunately a lot of smart people. don't recognize that because they're so. concentrated on the mind right they. think of the body and concentrating on. the body being frivolous right but it's. not it's actually the mind that you're. strengthening by concentrating on the. body right because it's your will which.

is a part of your mind everyone thinks. your mind is just calculus and learning. how to write and learning learning. language no no no no no the mind is also. will it's also dedication it's also. discipline and that is your mind and the. mental strength you get from physical. activities applies to mental Pursuits. yeah to intellectual Pursuits yeah. absolutely. I could feel it I could feel my mood. change when I do those right things you. know oh yeah green juice in the morning.

that's another big thing Nutribullet Oh. yeah okay uh celery. um cucumber you gotta be careful with. that stuff though one of the things that. I found that I didn't know when I used. to drink a lot of kale shakes is you get. a high level of oxalates from that stuff. from non-cooked vegetables in some. people not everyone but some people. develop like kidney stones and and. things along those lines yeah oxalates. can be a problem like you're when you're. you know grinding up kale and spinach.

and eating it raw you're you're taking. an exorbitant amount of oxalates. I just love those raw vegetable and that. lemon just like kicks you too man it. just sets the tone to eat better for the. rest of the day too sure you know I I. generally just take athletic greens and. um most of my diet is just meat yeah. it's like the majority of my diet is. meat and fruit I would say like. occasionally I have a piece of bread. occasionally I'll have a dessert. occasionally I allow myself to little. Treats but the vast bulk probably like. 90 of what I eat is just wild game meat.

rib eye steaks and fruit that's it what. about olive oil I love it yeah it's. great I love it because you got to be. saying I made that mistake on like a. keto diet too not satiating myself. enough with enough fats yeah you know. what I mean so they make that mistake. and then you stray off it and people go. well if you start eating about the keto. diet they start you start eating carbs. again you're getting the weight right. back it's like go figure well the keto. diet is a weird one because it seems. very culty to me yeah all the people.

that are in the keto it's like there's. something about it it just becomes. there's great benefits to it there's. great benefits to elevating your ketones. for mental Clarity for your energy. levels through the day and you know I've. had Dom D'Agostino on the podcast who's. a scientist out of Florida who's very. interesting guy because he's super fit. like really like very strong very. athletic and adheres to a keto diet. right which is unusual for a scientist. to be like that jacked in that like.

dedicated to working out yeah but also a. very very like educated in the pros and. benefits and the studies that show that. yeah there's there's real benefits to. just living off of fats and that's. probably what most of our ancestors did. right back in the day before Agriculture. and Grains and things like that but. cutting sugars is huge it is it really. is it slows you down and and I used to. get like ferociously hungry I was like. is it because I'm lifting too much it's. like no no no it's your sugars your.

sugars are too high we're all cut we're. all addicted to Sugar yeah I'm sure. you've seen those pictures of like. people from the 1960s on the beach. versus like 2020 on the beach yeah what. the [ __ ] happened yeah sugar happened. right corn syrup happened yeah processed. carbohydrates that's high fructose corn. syrup is the worst man kills you it's in. everything yeah it's it's so nuts how. many things have corn have you ever seen. that documentary King Corn no great. [ __ ] documentary but the the. documentary goes over like all the.

different things that have corn in them. yeah and that it's because corn is. subsidized because corn is a cheap. substitute for things and you can add it. to stuff or corn sweetener and you know. it's just in everything and your body. doesn't do anything with it like your. body's like what is this right that's. why you [ __ ] out corn like when you look. at corn in the toilet that's because. your body isn't digest [ __ ] is this yeah. you know you don't find like watermelon. in there right watermelon just gets. absorbed by your body your body knows. what to do with it it's normal your body.

with corn is like what the [ __ ] is this. thing you know. yeah but feeling good every day is the. is the goal you know feel good every day. and you'll be able to do great things if. you've got to feel your body yeah you. just got to take care of your body and. that's something that unfortunately with. Comics you want some coffee yeah I'll. take some thing about Comics is a lot of. us are [ __ ] impulsive and you're. spending the nights at the clubs yeah. drinking and partying and hanging out. with a bunch of other [ __ ] and. everybody's having fun and it's just.

yeah it's easy to just and also you are. creative you know you're a creative type. and creative types you know tend to be. by Nature less disciplined and more. indulgent yeah so if you could just keep. the discipline yeah you know yeah. they're not mutually exclusive people. want to think that creativity and and. discipline like they fight against each. other right they don't they just it's. just impulsive people and they tend to. [ __ ] things off and not do them it's. also like why you got into comedy in the. first place because you didn't want a. job you didn't want to grind yeah so you.

figured out like well I [ __ ] I'm not. being a garbage man that's bucks I'm. gonna go to open mic night and you. figure out how to I'm a star yeah. I'm special I'm special yeah that's the. weirdest thing right and then there's. the other thing that's that's the thing. that happens when you get famous like. you have to fight that demon now I'm. sure I'm sure that's a whole nother it's. a whole nother thing yeah and a lot of. people crack there's a lot of Chris. Tuckers out there in the world that got. really famous and then just like ah yeah. Martin Lawrence cracked a lot of people.

crack and some of them it's like legit. mental health issues and some of them. it's just the overwhelming pressure of. Fame and you know and maintaining focus. and discipline and also you got. everybody around you that's kissing your. ass that's a big thing yeah you start. believing it yeah yeah that's another. big thing you have a lot of people not. telling you the truth yeah and um and. calling yourself out on stuff are you. ready for that I I think so now I mean. I'm I'm older now I'm uh 50. yeah that. helps yeah that definitely yeah back in.

the day maybe not you know I was always. pretty disciplined but um yeah yeah I. would not want to get famous at like 18. 19 years old like some of these kids are. depends how you're raised too you know. what I mean if you're raised with that. discipline like my father never let me. get to. um out of control well that's good it. was very much like you think this is all. free where we live here we're living. here for free what do you think this is. you know what I mean a hotel you think. your mother just cooks and does your. laundry and it's all for free I love. that it's like that Italian um you know. what I mean they push it yeah and make.

sure that you appreciate where you're. coming from mentality yeah I had a lot. of that growing up yeah that's good for. you yeah that is good for you but still. some people succumb to that [ __ ]. demon yeah demon of Fame yeah yeah look. at Elvis look at everybody everybody. cracks yeah it's it's really interesting. like when you think about people like. Elvis or Michael Jackson when they got. famous like that there had been no road. map right there was no one that famous. before though right so it's like all of. a sudden you're Elvis Presley yeah did. you see the movie I didn't see it it's.

[ __ ] good I didn't see it but it's. good it's like television because there. was no television so television like. changed the game yeah and made these. guys International like stars and that's. they weren't used to that yeah I mean. they're doing all these late night talk. shows and they're performing in front of. millions of people no one's ever like. before Elvis came along no one had ever. been really that famous I don't think. that I don't think I don't don't think. there was anybody like that before right.

and then this guy's got to figure it out. and he's got people handing them pills. and right he's banging all these broads. right it's like right good luck yeah. good luck sorting that out my favorite. Elvis is Elvis on pills doing karate. those are my favorite illnesses I. [ __ ] love those videos have you seen. those videos no I've seen him do karate. like to a montage yeah songs but I I've. never seen like um him actually just a. long stretch of it I've seen him in a. karate outfit doing it well he would.

wear a karate outfit with one of those. big collared shirts on under the geek. great in case you had to perform I don't. even know why he was doing it if he. didn't want to be anywhere without his. collared shirt and so you know he's. clearly high as [ __ ] and he's doing like. kind of fake karate it's got look at him. he's all peeled up sweating like a pig. and this was like look sunglasses on. Elvis why do you have sunglasses on like. what the [ __ ] is going on and he was.

training under a legitimate karate guy. in uh Ed Parker like Ed Parker was the. [ __ ] man I mean he was like absolute. legit karate guy and that's who uh Elvis. got his black belt from was it a real. black belt I also no. you see like these entertainment look at. this watch this let's back that up a. little bit this is what I'm gonna do man. so I'm gonna put a gun on my back I'm. gonna turn them on like this. look at this I'm gonna turn on them real. quick I mean it's the dumbest [ __ ] of.

all time and then I'm gonna get them. right in the face because he's not even. gonna notice coming down my elbow and. I'm gonna trip him here like this is so. bad yeah this is so dumb by the way they. got that guy shot you five times right. your liver has four holes in it you're. dead it's so dumb hear my animal grab my. face yeah what you gonna do I mean and. if you listen to him talk back then yeah. he's like clearly intoxicated right he's. just [ __ ] up on downers just doing. karate feeling like a champ.

now the other side of it is Gary Coleman. Gary Coleman who uh that's great. Gary Coleman loses everything becomes a. security guard yeah and then um like. he's working as a security guard. protecting like uh on a set where Pamela. Anderson and a bunch of TMZ guys come in. and Gary Coleman Launches on there's. video of it where he launches onto the. car and is like yeah you're not going. anywhere I actually love that I love. like. um a person especially a famous person.

who's now doing a menial job but is. doing it to their best of their ability. I love that there's not a lot of people. that become famous and then do a regular. job yeah people do get really interested. in those people when they do do that. like look he's like one of us again yeah. look yeah but everybody loves to shame. that guy everybody loves to shame him. but I actually I love that isn't that. [ __ ] isn't that [ __ ] because if you. just saw a security guy yeah you'd be. like hey man what's up how you doing man. I'm going building four all right take. it easy yeah it's normal yeah but if. you're like hey you're that [ __ ] God.

you [ __ ] loser yeah look at you yeah. nobody thinks that about a regular. security guy I see regular security. guard is just a guy but the record. security guy who was on like Falcon. Crest right like oh right look at you. loser right it's weird yeah that's the. problem with Fame like you don't want to. be a has been yeah that has been is. worse than it never was right right. which is very strange yeah you know like. at least the guy [ __ ] made it for a. little while yeah he's got pictures yeah. and I love the mental focus of the fact.

that you're doing this job now to the. best of your ability I actually love. that a lot any menial job anybody doing. any on on quote unquote menial job or. it's not much money there's no reason. really to excel but I love there's. people who go above and beyond in those. jobs and I actually love that yeah. there's well there's a stoic discipline. to that that's very admirable to someone. who just does the job to the best their. ability and says how you do one thing is. how you do everything right and if you.

could like instill that in a kid that's. a [ __ ] yeah that's a tremendous. benefit to have that bro I gotta piss. yeah right back folks you don't get a. mug shot because he's the president is. that what it is. he was the president there was I think. there's just too much going on. stupid service people everything going. looking at them yeah there's some. pictures that I think they're AI. generated of him standing in the street. walking down the street with a giant. crowd of people behind him with American. flags I'm like that's got to be fake is. that fake there was only like he just he.

was barely seen walking in and out of a. building I think like officially so I. don't know with the AI picture you saw. was it was like him on the street in. public and there's a throng of fans. behind him he's walking on the Center. Street I'm like that looks fake you. can't tell anymore no it's so well you. saw the fake images of trump being. arrested do you see those there's like. all these fake images of them like. grabbing him he's screaming and it's. like they can there's fake images of him. in the orange jumpsuit wow AI can do.

such insane things now he can do our. jokes yeah see that yeah thing where. it's like you could just put in a comic. yeah and then it just can write a joke. and Nate bargatzi's style talking about. going to a baseball game yeah and it'll. do it yeah I mean that's eventually. going to get better. it'll get so good that shitty Comics can. have a chat GPT write their premises and. write their material which is. I guess I mean I mean I mean am I. against that I don't know if I'm against.

that I kind of am because I don't think. you get like a really unique creative. style like a Jim Gaffigan a weird like. very specific style right unless you. learn how to do that in front of crowds. over and over and over again for years. yeah you know and that guy like you know. he's writing he's performing he's trying. it he's [ __ ] around he's doing all. these different things yeah like Dave. Attell yeah every morning that. [ __ ] gets up with a pack of. cigarettes and a [ __ ] newspaper and a.

cup of coffee and he's just like writing. things down going over stuff and [ __ ]. with it in his head like the idea that. chat GPT can do that for him I don't. like it I don't like it either at all. what does that leave us but if I was an. open Miker and uh I needed some premises. which are that's the one thing that. drives me [ __ ] crazy when people. steal premises it is so hard to come up. with a premise it is fruit that you've. like climbed to the top of a tree and. risk your life to grab that apple right.

and someone goes oh I'll take that Apple. yeah and then I'll write my own thing on. that Apple okay you [ __ ] you saw. that guy grab that Apple that's his. apple right and you know people go well. I could write a joke on the subject too. yeah yeah sort of but you're just you're. on the subject is completely derivative. of his that's a great thing about a. towel oh yeah you'll get a text from him. at three in the morning I have a joke. about a clown on a tricycle who's on. meth it's like Dave uh not only do I not.

have that I've never. well he thinks when things come to him. too easy like because I've I've had that. happen to me too my God have I heard. this before because my memory is really. good and also really bad like it's. really good but sometimes it sucks it's. like it's so inconsistent sometimes. right because like if something's. important to me I can remember. everything about it but if it's. something like I kind of remember this. am I remembering that wrong right we did. it yesterday like there's this video. that I had that I was like oh that's. that Bob cesca video and then I'm.

watching I'm like no it's not no no no. no no no no it was different and then we. corrected it I'm like oh no no that's. his was different I can't even find the. have you found that Bob cesca video well. I found a few I mean there's there's. become a lot of videos on that topic oh. that topic yeah well McKenna made it so. the stoned ape Theory it's a theory that. uh when chimpanzees ate mushrooms right. or lower primates ate mushrooms it. Advance their intelligence and that's. how they became human it's a very. interesting because it's scientific it. really is believe it or not like there's.

actual scientists that believe like this. guy Dennis McKenna who believes that. that is probably how human beings it's. really funny really crazy that's really. something yeah but there's a there was a. video about it and I couldn't remember I. saw the video and I had conflated them. in my head and I had it this other video. that Bob cesca did a long time ago about. aliens [ __ ] with monkeys and turning. them into people and I had [ __ ] them. up and I realized while I was watched. like no no this is not it so like my.

memory is really good and also sucks. right so when I when I come up with a. bit too easy like comes to me I'm like. God damn it if I heard that before yeah. and then you gotta Google it or figure. it out but Google's nice though because. you can Google that joke on something. and then it's like oh look and Mitch. Hedberg had a joke on that like oh right. that's where it came from yeah well with. Tick Tock now it's kind of crazy because. it just seems like everything is just. yeah fair game I'm not even on Tick Tock. but I'm on Tick Tock yeah I don't have. to yeah you know my my thought was.

that's Chinese spyware. there's a balloon over your house. [Laughter]. just for the weather what what was the. deal with those [ __ ] balloons did. they ever figure out whose balloons. those were that might have been them. timing our response that's a response. time thing that's not actually a weather. balloon thing maybe but I had heard also. that those balloons were flying around. when Trump was President they didn't. tell him about it because they didn't. want Trump going crazy like shoot nukes.

of a nuclear bomb blow off of balloon. being from China which it is yeah the. last I don't know how I was thinking. back how many iPhones I bought they come. directly from China they're shipped from. China oh yeah tick tock's already on. them no no no no but the phone yeah. shipped right from there so like why how. do we know that they're not yeah well. accepted this is one you have to think. of it according to Gavin de Becker who's.

a security expert like a legitimate. genius he told me that there was an. original Pegasus application that was. invented by the Israelis and it was a. spy program and it required you to click. a link and this is how MBS got Jeff. Bezos remember when Jeff Bezos had some. dick pics get leaked and I don't see I. don't remember that yeah well what. happened was allegedly. um someone sent him a link on WhatsApp. he clicked on that WhatsApp link and. then it downloaded this this spyware. onto his phone that he he wasn't aware. of right but apparently now with Pegasus.

2 all they need is your phone number. so all these security companies I'm sure. the NSA anybody else they just need your. like out of conversation with a friend. of mine about this last night he's like. how do you handle that I go I assume. that the government or someone is. listening to everything I say yeah every. email so I just don't say anything that. stupid I mean if you if you go through. it's a good that's good to live by just. in general if they wanted to go through. my meme collection yeah you know the.

things that I still like you know I have. a a chat with uh Shane Gillis Mark. Norman and Ari shafir like protect our. Parks we have a group chat and it's the. most [ __ ] ridiculous [ __ ] it's. constant chaos it's like you can take. any one of those things it looks. horrible yeah you pull it out right it's. not for you yeah it's for us it's right. four Comics talking [ __ ] to each other. having fun that's great but that's just. part of the program yeah luckily I have. the ability to explain that like I've. said the Jew did you do a thing with. Greta Thornburg getting [ __ ] in a.

gangbang or I didn't make it somebody. said it to me yeah and I thought it was. funny right I'm sorry if I think. inappropriate things are funny right but. you know but that's you have to make. that assumption like kids don't. understand that like and I'm so glad. there was no phones around when I was. 15. there'd be a thousand pictures in my. dick yeah yeah I'd be sending them to. everybody I think everybody would I. think everybody would have back in the. day Chinese weather balloon that flew. over U.S gathered intelligence from. military sites oh I found this reported.

for two days ago this is a Irish site. independent Ireland and another site. called the time they don't know where it. was from interesting Adblock but. um there is reporting that and I don't. know. um yeah and they just basically. explained explained it by saying it was. a weather balloon I mean that's uh. that's like I need weather balloon. that's a pretty bad lie don't we have. satellites it's a weather balloon it. just is what it is yeah I mean I think. it's also probably a [ __ ] you just fly a.

balloon over the [ __ ] country I think. so too yeah it's got to be it was a push. it was a push to see our response time. on it I think I guess it's a [ __ ]. we're gonna see what we would do it's a. weird world it's a weird world same. thing Chinese spy balloon captured. sensitive military info after all U.S. officials say Beijing obtained U.S. military intelligence from a spy balloon. that was shot down in early February. um. Mike Baker on multiple times the fox guy.

yeah yeah he's a former CIA operative. and he essentially said that one of the. things that China's been doing by the. way they gather intelligence is they. have they sell cell phone towers at a. very low rate and and they install them. all around these sensitive areas so like. if you go to where these military sites. are in the what is it Wyoming is that. where it was was explaining to us there. are Idaho like in the yeah where they. meet and all these areas where these. this sensitive intelligence is going on.

it's like China has all these cell phone. towers set up there and it's their. equipment that they put in and we. already know that that's the reason why. they banned Huawei from the United. States and Mike talked about that as. well that Huawei was using whether it's. routers or all their their different. types of equipment that they were. selling had third-party access so they. could like steal data and they could. steal intellectual property to so they. could we weaned out that's like one of. the things China does they anytime the.

United States has an idea they just copy. that and make it better right and they. constantly do that and Huawei was genius. at it Huawei before they banned them had. the [ __ ] best phones you could get. and I was about to buy a Huawei phone. like right before they got rid of them. because they have these crazy cameras. and and that's a Chinese company yeah. they just push stuff to the edge make. the best [ __ ] available and then steal. all the data. you know yeah I mean I don't understand.

technology at all I'm barely able to. function on my phone it's probably. better that way yeah I mean it's it's a. it's a rabbit hole that if you go down. to I got my Instagram jacked and it's. like I fell into a fishing scam or. whatever and um I got it taken from how. they get you. they said. um do we have intellectual property. something. you're using something Clips or. something that uh you know it's my clip.

but it was from like TV and it's like. this intellectual property issue and and. it's like click here to uh figure it out. or to clean it up and I clicked on it. and the guy was like he texts me he's. like we got you. oh yeah he's like we got you so what did. he say to you send me five thousand. dollars and I'll give you your account. back. wow so did you. now I I said um but your sister says. she's having a good time with me. you guys didn't respond because I didn't.

know you know whatever but I was like in. a panic then because I was like do they. have. other I don't know I don't know stuff so. it's like do they have my account info. all my all my information right I don't. know if it's just Instagram I don't know. what's connected to what credit card. Facebook I start panic I started. flipping out you know what I mean so I. call my friend as a tech guy Ben. Rosenfeld shout out to Ben and he like. uh he's also a comic and uh he like. helped me uh try to figure it out but. there is no recourse like there's no.

recourse for it it's like it's like you. can file a complaint but it's just. basically gone you can start a new. account oh wow yeah so your Count's gone. no I didn't have to do that I had. another friend help me to get it back he. worked for them he had a com he has an. account with a company and the company. helped me get it back fortunately but I. mean as an individual as a private. citizen trying to get that back it's. like deaf deaf ears man they don't care. well there's just too many of them I.

think I think it's happening at scale. it's like you're dealing with someone a. company like say Instagram how many. people do they let's guess how many. people are on Instagram what do you. think well there's 350 million people in. the country right but in the world. there's oh yeah Instagram yeah billions. how many people do you think two billion. what do you think I three billion I'll. say two let's say what do you think how. many people do you think are honest it's. probably about one one billion but daily. active Fusion would be less too let's. let's find out how many accounts are on.

Instagram let's Google that how many. individual accounts are on Instagram I'm. saying 2 billion. what do you think Jeremy you say one you. say like two three yeah three books the. most and it's not that it's not over two. billion yet oh it isn't pretty sure I. thought it was. Facebook's my world why yeah Facebook. changes elections and places like that's. crazy right I had Zuckerberg on and you. could you could tell like having a. conversation with that guy like dang I'm. off what Instagram is 2.35 billion.

active users wow that's you wow that's. crazy that's a lot yeah I guess it would. be hard for them to field I guess it. would be hard for them to feel feel like. complaints or look at meanwhile that's. fourth amongst the biggest social media. networks globally so it's number one. Facebook's number one 2.9 Billion. YouTube is 2.0 I don't really consider. YouTube social media not that much right. because maybe it is I guess it is but I. don't use it that way I use it for.

entertainment yeah if I'm watching. YouTube I'm watching stuff like fights. or Clips yeah WhatsApp is 2 billion well. WhatsApp is a communication app I don't. think that's social media no Instagram. 2.35 tick tock tick tock's only one. billion that's interesting I would have. thought it was way more I think it is I. think it's on the rise though isn't Tick. Tock like I think and then um Instagram. reels is competing with it right where's. Twitter where's Twitter yes I feel like. that's I've all Twitter's never in the. been in the top ten really but it's not. even in the top oh it's way down there.

397 million wow wow I think Twitter ones. that are [ __ ] way more like Pinterest. Pinterest is 475 million Reddit look at. Reddit 430 million I'm not on Reddit at. all chaos Jesus right yeah I know guys. will go on Reddit and they read about. themselves and they go down a dark room. they get their feelings hurt bad oh. there's a bunch of intelligent vipers. runs the top five three of the top five. which is a little strange because. they've split them all up and this could.

just be one app well you know messenger. could just be Facebook wasn't that one. of the things that they asked chat GPT. like do you think that Facebook is a. monopoly and should it be broken up I. mean absolutely they said yes yeah what. did Zuckerberg say well I didn't ask him. about that no but for him it was. interesting because he's a very nice guy. yeah and you know people think of him as. like a robot and the thing I think he's. not that at all he's a guy who created. this thing a long ass time ago with no. anticipation of what it was going to. become and then it became this [ __ ].

worldwide monster right this thing. that's just it's so big and yeah and you. know it's pretty interesting guy Ai and. very forthcoming was explaining like. about how the FBI contacted him about. the hunter Biden laptop yeah and. explained it explained it on the podcast. that it created a firestorm I'm sure he. was just kind of casually explaining. well the FBI told us that there was. going to be some disinformation coming. out of Russia and you know we were told. that this and that and so we limited its.

uh reach and and then just was [ __ ]. Giant news like that this is I mean this. guy just created a [ __ ] dating site. for college kids right you know x amount. of years ago but he was instrumental in. growing it though too you know what I. mean and with that comes like bad stuff. obviously you know not just the good the. good parts of it and also I mean more. most recently take a he took a big. blunder with that whole meta thing where. they thought that everybody was going to. put on headsets and and delve into them. oh yeah and that [ __ ] didn't work at all. no why.

it's too weird yeah I love it I mean. that's yeah that's close to I mean. that's that will mess I mean you want to. talk about social media [ __ ] with. your mind like that meta stuff like in a. in a alternate reality well just living. you're basically getting closer to just. being in a pod you know what I mean and. having that on yes you know as your. reality it's going to happen yeah it's. going to happen it's just like look when. I was a kid in the 1980s and 90s there. was good times good times but there was.

times back then where people thought. virtual reality was going to be the. future but the technology wasn't. available it didn't really work it was. but it was always this thought you know. that one day we're going to live in. virtual reality and that was The Matrix. that was like all these different things. but it was like science fictiony enough. that it was so far ahead yeah and then. the technology was kind of clunky so it. never really took off but then when. Oculus came around and what were the. other ones it was there was another big. one other than Oculus Vive that's right.

the HTC Vive that they were they were so. good you're like oh maybe we're close. and there's there's some fun [ __ ]. games you can play on that apparently. there's an alien like alien one the. movie game that is [ __ ] terrifying. and you play it and you're on the. Nostromo that that spaceship yeah and. the [ __ ] aliens in the spaceship. right and you know you're going down. dark corridors and rains dripping and. you know another thing just jumps out at. you it's [ __ ] terrifying apparently. but that for whatever reason they. thought that was just gonna just sweep.

the whole country and everyone was gonna. it was a virtual reality mask that you. put on. yeah the Oculus it's very light the new. one is very light like the old ones we. have the HTC Vive at the studio and it. had to be attached to a backpack and it. was like a cable that came above you and. we had the cable suspended from the. ceiling so we had like a sectioned off. area where you could play in it and then. uh it got better and Carmack John. Carmack got involved and you know they. made even better versions of it and then. it became something you just sit on your.

head and then when that happened I was. like oh boy we're getting close now. because now it just sits in your head. and you have these two controllers in. your hand but it's still just people are. not that interested in it which is. interesting that's good I think I think. it's a good thing not to be on it I. think it's going to be the future okay. there's going to it's going to be. something that's so wonderful and so. exciting that you can't get out of it. it's going to be weird how it morphs. with your mind it's going to eventually. morph with your mind right so it'll be.

like part of you kind of that's where we. kind of morph into the robot world I. guess that's happening it's gonna happen. it's just a matter of like what is it 10. years is it 20 years yeah whatever it is. but technology is going to reach a point. where it's so look no one ever would. have thought that you would have a thing. in your pocket where you couldn't stop. looking at it right it's and still I'm. still amazed by like I'm in New York you. know and I'm watching people and I'm. watching people just walk down the. street yeah with it on and they're not. conscious of anything else that is going.

on and they're just walking down it's. dangerous as Carson could hit you it's. like they're just walking down the. street just immersed in it actually if. you're on the subway and you're not on. it if you're just staring forward like. you're the weird one you're the weird. one yeah everybody else like what's this. guy doing if you're gonna Subway with a. book like what do you who the [ __ ] is. this guy throwback you're reading a book. yeah a real book yeah it's not even a. Kindle yeah it's unreal. it's unreal yeah it's uh I had books on.

my phone now so I'm reading it on my. phone it's that's amazing to me I think. you have to have all that that. information just a library oh yeah the. library app you can just download books. from the library on your phone and read. them and return them that's fantastic. well I have uh most of the books that I. consume I consume audiobooks I could on. the way to work coming home from work in. the sauna that's what I do most of my. listening to books and I probably have. 200 300 books on this little tiny phone. it's unreal and they're all hours long.

yeah like it's a terabyte of data on. that phone so there's so much room and. also it just stores in the cloud anyway. right there's no room it's in the cloud. that you download it no it's [ __ ]. there's never been a time that you could. have more access to information but. there's also never been a time where. you're more distracted yeah that's. that's the rub yeah that's the rub but. if you're focused on the information man. it's like it's College it's basically a. college in your pocket yeah it's. unbelievable and and. uh people listening might be like what.

do you know because people grew up with. this but we didn't right like I knew a. time where this didn't exist at all like. me and my brother had a room together it. was both of us no TV allowed in the room. dinner together at a certain time unless. you're working or you or you're at a. sports practice you're having dinner my. father's playing music while we have. dinner we're talking about our day and. when we go to sleep it's like a room no. television because they he didn't want. us in our room watching television on. our own you want to watch television. you're out with the family right you.

know it's it's that kind of thing so I. guess. you know it's a different world yes and. it's been a gradual thing but it's still. very very different like I don't have. kids so I don't know how that would be. but I guess I mean like what you do what. you implement with your children it. sounds like the right thing they get mad. at you yeah put your phone up yeah they. get mad because that little dopamine. rushes it's not even a big rush right. that's what's weird it's like this. little drip of dopamine yeah. but you like there's this pull like what.

does anybody texting yeah right I see. some people on the podcast they can't. help but they reach for their phone yeah. that's the thing like they just they. just check their text message and this. is your podcast and it's giant there's. millions of people watching someone just. look at their phone it's like it's not. but they can't help it they just get so. sucked in I've done it to uh to the. point where it's like when I first get. up I don't I make sure I don't look at. it and uh. do other things first and then I set. time aside and I mentally prepare myself. I go okay now I'm going to look at it.

I'm going to look at it I'm gonna do as. much as I want for 15 minutes check. everything make sure everything's up. check the com check the comments and now. that the special let's is out like. respond to people as much as I can and. then. after that window is over not again yeah. now the trick is uh YouTube because I. like to watch stuff on YouTube but it's. like I don't want to get addicted to. scrolling on YouTube either so that's. that's the difference there but I'm. definitely addicted to watching stuff on.

YouTube yeah yeah when I have breakfast. I [ __ ] I get this little it's pretty. cool this little kickstand thing that. sticks up with your phone so that's. great I think this is called a coup case. or something like that I forget what. it's called but it's like bam so I just. sit there it's great and then watch. stuff for a meeting right you know and I. think I'm not addicted that way oh I'm. just being entertaining but that's. YouTube you're watching you're watching. substance there instead of mindlessly. scrolling which is what I was doing and. it just that creates so many bad like. emotions and stuff it's like I don't.

want I don't want to feel that way isn't. that weird that mindlessly scrolling. creates bad emotions like what is that. why does it do that. is it just you feel like you're wasting. time you're wasting time you're seeing a. bunch of different things like uh you. know the energy coming from the thing. I'm a big energy guy too it's like the. energy coming from it is it hits. even when you're looking at your I try. that for a while looking at my own so. I'll just look at my own stuff I won't. look at everybody's stuff but then you. start getting like how many likes does. this have how many it's like you end up.

yeah you end up swimming in your own. narcissism so it's like no stop that now. yes absolutely but if I'm my point is. I'm navigating this at 50 when my mind. has already been developed what chance. do kids have developing through this. time period it's a different world but I. think they're going to be fine I really. do I think there's going to be a. transitionary period where we lose a lot. of kids they don't they don't know what. the [ __ ] they're doing and they get lost. in it. but there's gonna be enough kids that. recognize like okay this is just the new.

reality of life and if you want to be. successful just like you when you were. young when you had focus and dedication. you realize there's a lot of people out. there don't do that and you know I can. learn from them what not to do right. there's kids that are doing that now too. and like I have friends that very much. limit their kids access to social media. they don't allow them on things they. don't allow them to have a phone I don't. think that's the way to do it because. this is a reality and I think that if. you give the kids the tools and the. understanding to handle that it this is.

a new level of adversity that they have. to deal with that we didn't have to deal. with but it's the way I look at it it's. like cold weather like if you grew up in. a place with cold weather you developed. an understanding of what the [ __ ] that. means like you got a shovel snow you. gotta deal with it and you div I think. they have a new level of adversity right. because the pressures of social media. and because of like the [ __ ] talking. especially with girls Right girls are. [ __ ] mean each other yeah because. their reputation destruction yes in the.

comments yeah [ __ ] on each other and. group chats and it's just it gets real. nasty and you developed a level of. resilience from being able to handle. that and after a while you get okay with. it and you have to understand what that. is but no you have to understand what. that is yeah and it's you're right. you're like going in with that mindset. is the important thing it is if you're. just caught off guard with it yeah then. it can Crush you and it has it's driven. people to Suicide it definitely has done. that and there's also a thing the fomo.

aspect and the um the comparison and. this is apparently very bad with girls. as well because there's a lot of people. that are using filters and they're. changing their body right and these. girls see these people and they look. perfect and then they see themselves in. the mirror and they have zits yeah like. [ __ ] [ __ ] they're a little overweight. and they get massively depressed right. and then they think well the only way. for me I have to be like that person. right so I have to do what they're doing. and and be completely focused on my. looks and and some people just. unfortunately through a genetic roll of.

the dice they don't have good features. they don't they don't look good they. don't have a good body right and then. they just feel [ __ ] depressed because. they're comparing themselves this thing. see like if you are a comic and you want. to be a great comic and you're kind of. funny and you're figuring out you can. see like Chris Rock and you go maybe I. could get to that spot maybe I can get. there but if you're a girl and you. you're born with an unfortunate. appearance right and you compare. yourself to some bombshell who's like. doing squats with her giant ass in front.

you like I I can't be that person it's. not attainable right that's very very. depressing very difficult very hard. difficult to deal with because the. pressures of that it's like that is one. of the most important things on social. media is to be attractive yeah I mean so. it's a currency in and of itself you. know there's people that I I see on. Instagram that are like they have 45. million [ __ ] followers right all. they're doing is squats and yeah looking. pretty and there's also a thing with.

placing undue value on that like 45. million I'm a winner right you have less. you're not oh yeah you know what I mean. that kind of thing and there's also. something to be said for just um. being bored. just let yourself be bored yeah let. yourself be uncomfortable. let yourself you know just sit in the. void once in a while and not be bored be. be unhappy it's okay to be unhappy it's. okay to be uncomfortable and I think. that gets lost a lot because of this.

instant gratification for Comics being. bored is very important because that's. where some of the ideas come from yeah. you know and the people that don't like. Goggins when he runs yeah he don't. listen to [ __ ] that's that's that's. crazy man yeah he listens to his uh. breath maybe this is his inner demons. yeah his conversations with the [ __ ]. room in hell that he has in the back of. his head and he tells those demons who. the [ __ ] the bosses yeah yeah that's um. you know I mean I don't think the guy.

who wrote Game of Thrones is uh you know. that guy's from Staten Island so it's. like you know. the level of imagination the detail that. he must have had in imagining this world. if he would have had a phone maybe that. doesn't happen sure maybe yeah maybe. it's possible but I mean it's also. important he was a hot guy right I mean. like if he was a hot guy it had an. option of all these women and going to. the beach and lifting and all that stuff. like maybe he doesn't write that but you.

know yeah yeah I mean I'm not reading. Mario Lopez's book you know what I'm. saying. it's too hot it's too hot he's too hot. good looking guy yeah [ __ ] great body. just a winner winner all the way through. in his life yeah it's supposed to be a. great box pretty good boxer yeah he's a. very good boxer yeah he's done Jiu Jitsu. now too competed in tournaments he's a. good blue belt in Jiu Jitsu really yeah. and abs like when he was on Save By the. Bell like I remember he was like a. wrestler on Saved by the Bell and uh say.

by the Bell fan by the way and uh he was. uh he just was shredded then yeah you. know what I mean and shred it all the. way always you know I'm sure I'm sure he. works hard oh yeah but like physically. gifted right but he's not gonna write a. Game of Thrones right maybe he will. right what the [ __ ] do I know but the. odds are yeah that's not gonna happen. the uh like one of my favorite authors. is um the guy who wrote Conan Robert E. Howard yeah and Robert E Howard was a. recluse a shut-in live with his mother.

committed suicide in his early 30s but. the [ __ ] books that he wrote like. those fantasy novels of Conan they were. [ __ ] amazing when I was a kid and. this is a guy who was you know kind of a. shut-in and kind of a you know very. depressed right and he wrote about this. conqueror it was like this perfect man. who just destroyed things and fought off. dragons and demons and you know and it. was amazing work but if he was you know. some beautiful hot man probably that.

wouldn't have gotten written right yeah. right that's that's the thing about. creativity it's like it's this very. strange sort of force that you have to. figure out how to tune in right and if. you're tuned into other stuff you're not. going to give it the time that it. deserves yeah but the fact that he. couldn't be that hot popular guy it. forced it forced his mind mine is just. so powerful yeah and it forced to go to. another place yeah well the the ability.

to write fiction is so fascinating. because he and it's so engaging when. someone writes a good book book and. you're into this character and these. [ __ ] scenarios and it's like oh fake. all invented in this person's mind but. it's like you're [ __ ] the heart is. pounding your hand it's not like a movie. because there's no filter on it it's. just their thoughts it's their them. constructing it yeah so there's not not. these other people putting their hands. into it yeah that's why it's raw yeah.

that's a big one right it's not there's. not a bunch of Jack offs [ __ ] with. you yeah adding the wrong ingredients. because they want to be part of it have. you ever worked on a television show. where that now I was fortunate enough. for a tell like to bring me into his. like days old porn. yeah. did I do an episode of that wait a. minute wait a minute I think I did I. think I did maybe when he was out that's. how many [ __ ] things I've done I.

don't even remember. isn't that hilarious like I was about to. say I don't [ __ ] I wish I did that I. thought you did meanwhile I did do it. yeah. um but Dave uh like that was a fun thing. for him yeah because he's kind of a. pervert like so for him to watch porn. with the old porn stars the classic joke. around yeah the classic yeah the classic. porn there's something about those. watching things like Mystery Science. Theater yeah like that kind of thing. watching and mocking yeah there it is oh.

that's great hilarious. did you I if you don't remember doing. you probably won't remember if that was. in New York or L.A I believe it was in. L.A yeah I'm pretty sure it was in LA. but uh because I was on set when he was. shooting the ones in New York oh yeah. okay yeah I think me and Kurt Metzger oh. really. I love that he's great he's so funny. yeah he's great on Jimmy Dore show I. don't know if you've ever seen him on. the Jimmy Dore show Jimmy Dore has a. YouTube channel like a political thing.

and Kurt is like a sidekick oh really. and so Kurt is always like chiming in. about things but what's interesting is. like you know I've been friends with. Kurt for a long time and now like. whenever I talk to Kurt he's always. [ __ ] scaring the [ __ ] out of me. because he's so well read about what's. going on in the world like yeah you know. Kurt Metzger was the first person that. contacted me about this restrict bill. which is like what they're using to say. they need to stop things like Tick Tock. and then you go into what the restrict. bill is you're like oh my God this has. nothing to do with Tick Tock they're.

they're they want the ability to lock. down anything that's on social media and. and stop people from spreading. information that's dangerous to whatever. narrative they're trying right right and. we went over it in depth yesterday it's. [ __ ] terrifying the the ambiguity the. the way that they're able to like frame. what is uh what they're able to Target. is yeah it'll come down to keywords I'm. sure but these keywords Metzger is so. involved in that world now because he's. on Jimmy's show that he's always like.

looking at corruption and this and that. what's happening in Ukraine and what's. it's a fun it's a comedy it's a comedy. right it is well it's a political show. where in the political social show where. they look Jimmy Dore is a comic and. Metzger is a great comic and the two of. them together they just talk [ __ ] and. laugh about how [ __ ] crazy modern day. politics and influence and insider. trading and all the [ __ ] that's going on. and Sam Bank from freed and FDX where. the money was coming from and how they.

were all doing it and how they got away. with it and he scares this [ __ ] out of. me every time I talk to him when I get a. text from Kurt oh my God Jesus Christ. I'm gonna [ __ ] Panic now and I just. start reading his stuff have you heard. about this have you seen this I'm like. no don't do this to me I know Kurt on. coffee yeah he's the best but uh no it. was really a good time because we we sit. and watch that you think of jokes you. know all the jokes about uh this old. porn and it was great so I was very. fortunate to be brought into that and. then uh that was early on that was a.

long time ago it was a long time ago now. and uh because I would do spots late at. The Comedy Cellar and that's when Dave. would be there and uh and so I would you. know do my set and then watch his set. and then we would hang out talk jokes. and stuff afterwards so I was very. fortunate in that way because he's an. all-time great oh he's one of my. favorite Comics one of my favorite. people too he really is I don't see him. that much anymore because I don't put in. late at the cellar but um just a really. great times man really great time he's a.

wonderful guy yeah and he's so sweet to. everybody like when he does clubs he. brings candy for the waitresses and. stuff he's just so nice man like in that. all that guy cares about is stand-up. comedy yeah his stand-up comedy you know. he came here and like he takes care of. his mom in New York and right and all he. cares about is just getting up and doing. jokes and his attitude was like yeah I. want to go on early these young guys. will get him let him I don't want to. interrupt I don't want to get in the way.

I just kind of come in and just work on. my new stuff and so he'll get up at one. o'clock in the morning yeah so it's like. one o'clock in the morning in the cellar. there's 14 people there and David tells. on stage best Comics has ever lived it's. unreal and he's there because that's. when he wants to go up right like he can. go up at 90. hot crowd yes and just. murder every night with old material. yeah he does not nope no he's a [ __ ]. real Pro he likes to go on late and it's. just it's unbelievable yeah and it's. really a great example for up and coming.

Comics yeah you get to see how that guy. does it yeah because he's just like when. you think you're pretty good and you re. you know he's going up to a tired crowd. I was opening for him at the Wilbur. and uh for some reason they didn't have. a liquor license or something so it was. it yeah yeah it didn't for for some. reason while when we were there oh okay. so it was a two-man show I was going up. and then I was bringing him up and. there's no liquor so I was like oh this. is probably gonna be pretty tough so I. go up and do 20 and I'm murdering I'm.

killing really hard and I bring him up. and then I'm sitting on the side of the. stage kind of feeling good about myself. I go you know what time is coming I got. it I'm doing pretty good for myself the. way that I slayed that cold crowd was. pretty awesome I think I'm on my way and. then I started just listening to him and. the laughs he was getting and I was. getting last but he was just getting you. know the depth of the laughter yeah with. every joke was hitting harder and harder. and his setups were hitting and then the.

punch lines obviously hitting and then. two tags on the end hitting it's like. the guy does comedy the way that. Pacquiao used to fight yeah he would. like hit you and then turn two more. times turn you and then two or three. more times and then get out and you're. like the guy's just like on the ground. by that point so he's doing that and he. I'm just listening and it's like I'm at. the cellar late so I know the material. but he's doing material I haven't heard. before and he's murdering at a level. that's just crazy and at the end of it.

it's like none of those people in that. crowd even remembered who I was. it's like that's how good he is yeah. they leave the show go oh my God David. that was the best the first guy was okay. yeah it's like that's how hard he hit. yeah he went up at The Improv one night. and it was uh The Improv in Hollywood. and it was a pretty late show and I had. gone on earlier in the night and then I.

saw Dave at the bar I'm like what's up. what's going on when are you going up. he's like going and the crowd was kind. of tired and a couple people went up and. you know like when you have a late show. like a 10 p.m show when it gets like 11. 30 12 o'clock people are checking their. watch they got to be up at seven and. they start thinking about leaving and. then I was like wow this crowd's getting. it's kind of done night's done right and. a tell went up and it was like he. plugged the audience back into the. electricity yeah and just [ __ ]. murdered effortless murderer and just.

tag after tag and I remember sitting in. the back going my God this guy's a. treasure a treasure is the right word. for him he's a treasure National. Treasure National Treasure and I don't. think enough people understand it like. he should be in arenas yeah Dave Attell. should be selling out Madison Square. Garden anytime he wants to instantly. right and he's doing clubs and he loves. it and he's happy right he's like a real. Club comic he likes doing all the sets. he likes doing four shows on a weekend. he likes it yeah and he's not a Fame guy.

either like he's not a fan guy like. he'll talk to me he'll talk like he's. he's not a Fame guy at all we're at the. cellar you know the seller it's like uh. Chris Rock will come there like he's not. there all the time but it's not you know. if you see Chris Rock there you know. it's not crazy it's not uncommon. Chappelle the same way if you see him. there it's not crazy uh Seinfeld once in. a while but um Adam Sandler was there. one time and it's like they sit at the. back table and you can just feel the.

energy when there's somebody like a. Chappelle or Chris Rock back the energy. kind of changed like people perk up that. the uh people who are there eating. everybody notices the comics start their. antennas go up and I understand you know. the energy So Adam Sandler happens to be. back there and uh he's never there and. Dave walks in with his you know goes to. the bar to get his coffee or whatever. Hood up and um Adam Sandler goes Dave. Dave. Dave. and Dave's just in his own world a tell.

a tell and finally he comes up to him he. goes hey Dave he goes hey what's up Adam. and then he goes how you doing man doing. pretty good. how are you good and then he goes. outside and smokes. cuts out it goes outside okay. everybody's like angling to see if they. can talk to Adam Sandler and Adam. Sandler's like screaming Dave's name. until he gets his attention how are you. pretty good good man okay and then he. goes out and smokes on the porch it's a. great it's classic man he's a real. Comics comic yeah like the best version.

of a comics comics like a master of his. crap who doesn't get the appreciation. that he deserves right and who's. universally respected right by his peers. yeah that's Dave yeah yeah absolutely he. is so he's one of the greats of all time. in my mind me too it's it's that's it's. so important to have guys like that. around and the the guys in New York are. so fortunate and unfortunately also he. has a lot of babies like where Patrice. would call babies it was like someone. who like copies your stuff you'll hear.

guys talking like this they have a setup. and a punch I know it sounds like yeah. you gotta stop listening to him for a. while too it's like I he's like you got. to stop listening to him you gotta stop. after for a while it's hard because you. want to go because he'll turn you if. you're watching him it's like he'll turn. you you when you're watching another. comic you'll go what's his angle on this. right what's his angle on this I'm. curious to see what his angle is on even. Chris Rock some of the greats you know. but with a towel you go down if you go. down with that mindset like I wonder. what his angle is on this after three.

jokes you just become a fan because. you're gut laughing right you're gut. laughing like the rest of the people in. the crowd you know what I mean so it's. just it's that he turns you into a. comedy fan and then the problem is you. go on thinking about his ass yes and. then you compare your own material like. oh my God I hate my jokes oh my God. that's the biggest thing it's like his. throwaway stuff is your is better than. your main stuff well that's one of the. best things about those showcase style.

clubs is that you do work with these. killers and you have to sort of. reevaluate your material yeah if you. know you're going to go on after Shane. Gillis like Shane was in town this week. and Shane right now. is in my mind for my money he's got 15. minutes that could [ __ ] with anybody's. 15 minutes it's ever lived he's okay God. damn assassin yeah he goes on St he was. going on stage as a Mothership and I. watched some of these Comics that I had. to follow him going oh [ __ ] yeah because. he's just throwing eaters yeah it's like.

99 mile an hour fastball after 99 mile. an hour fastball and he's so likable. yeah yeah and he's such a good guy he's. so funny and his facial expressions are. so great yeah and he's just he's got his. like when he got canceled that whole SNL. thing right and he got kicked off SNL. devastated but he emerged like a [ __ ]. Phoenix From the Ashes he's way better. than he was back then right he's like. one of the best top 10 comics on planet.

Earth yeah without doubt right now he's. fantastic and it came out of that. pressure yeah and now he's the one who. like freaks people out yeah well they. know that Shane's going up he's gonna do. that Trump and impression when he does. Trump at the debates like the [ __ ]. show is over and it's not just that it's. very punched up all the way through it's. like that New York style and uh he came. out of Philly yeah and uh it's great. it's great to see his success it's. punched up and it's also like it's so. smart like he's got a bit about George. Washington because Shane has a deep.

knowledge of History he really reads a. lot about history knows a lot about. history so he can incorporate that and. there's like layers to his comedy right. because of his understanding of things. so he's he's setting things up but he's. doing it in a fun way where even the. setups are funny yeah yeah so that's a. big thing that's a discipline in and of. itself to get a laugh on the way to the. yeah and to structure it that way and to. like reevaluate and go it can mean it's. probably a funnier way to get into this. let me figure out the right way and it's.

nice to see the funniest guys win it. really is well don't you think that in. stand up there is a meritocracy in. stand-up that's undeniable there's guys. who get more popular than maybe the BET. like the atel guys and so you go well. maybe there's not a meritocracy but for. us it is for like the best guys are. always the best guys if you you're. sitting around with a group of comics. and you just watch the show like oh my. God this guy [ __ ] killed right like. holy [ __ ] that was good like that. meritocracy like that exists in stand up.

like if you if you're not funny if it. doesn't work nobody cares about you. right and that's just how it is there's. no no Cult of Personality that can carry. you over there's no you can't dress in a. way that's going to get people to like. you more right you know like boy you see. his outfit no he gives a [ __ ] about your. outfit a tell wears the same goddamn. outfit every night he probably has like. three versions of that black button-up. shirt three versions of that baseball. hat it's the same goddamn jeans right. right it doesn't matter it doesn't he's. so non-descript yeah it's almost like he.

wants to blend in right he wants to. blend in and wants to just be the. vehicle for the material right but to. your point there's a there's a skill set. yeah and we all know the skill set and. other hardcore comedy fans know the. skill yes and the waitresses because. they see it every night oh yeah yeah so. they know smoke and mirrors yeah and. they know what's real do you know. Eleanor Kerrigan yes so Eleanor was a. waitress at The Comedy Store for like I. don't know like maybe 10 years before. she ever did stand up and we were always. go I would go to Eleanor when someone.

would say oh this guy's really funny and. I'd go to have you seen him and she's a. guy's a [ __ ] hack I go really yeah. and she was yeah it's all tricks and. [ __ ] yeah smoking mirrors yeah I'm. like whoa yeah she's had like a [ __ ]. tray of drinks yeah he sucks they know. and then you would watch me like oh my. God she's right like so she was a comedy. fan right from being there right and. like doing and then eventually we all. knew she was hilarious it just took time. for her to have the courage to go on. stage now she's a headliner killing her.

all over the country it's amazing but. knowing her as an open Miker and knowing. her as a waitress before she was an open. Miker yeah she was one of the people. that I would go to if I would I would. ask her like hey how did this person do. how is this person and she would tell. you in a way that like she wasn't. jealous because she wasn't a comment. right but she was like deeply embedded. in the comedy world because you can kill. without a skill set yes you can kill. without a skill personality right right. and goofiness yeah you can and some.

people that's like their whole and some. people are great at it right and that's. their whole career right you know but. right there's there's something about. the well-crafted ACT yeah to me it's. like I will watch that every time me too. yeah I think even and then I find out. someone really good is going on stage. I'm gonna stick around yeah I need to. see that and if you that's the real. education that a guy gets if you're in. New York like if you are you know you're. on these shows with Greer Barnes you're. on these shows with Dave Attell you're.

on these shows where these you get to. watch all these [ __ ] Killers over and. over and over again and as a comic you. know it's real and you're like God I'm. blown away by this scribborn's another. one because I've known Greer forever it. shows with him in the 90s so great and. uh such a such a pleasant guy to see. every time I see him it's like a hug. he's just a fantastic guy and he's in. the back if he's listening to he'll just. got laugh you'll hear him laughing in. the back he's such a supportive guy yeah. Colin Quinn is another guy okay now that.

I'm not doing at the seller late anymore. I'm more early so I'll see Colin Quinn. more he's just I I mean he's another guy. he's brilliant man I remember I did I. did tough crowd and when I did tough. crowd Colin would do stand up in front. of the audience and when I said like he. [ __ ] murdered so hard and then the. show would go on and I I wanted to say. you know this show is great but it's not. as good as it stands yeah yeah like it's. almost like people don't know yeah like.

he's just the host to stand up and he's. kind of the ringleader and so he's. wrangling all these cats and getting all. these Comics to kind of stay on topic of. all the different things they're talking. about on tough crowd but I'm like my God. the best thing is the warm-up and. Colin's famous yeah he's famous he's. just you know what I mean but I don't. think that people appreciate him at the. level I think they need to appreciate. him it's like a towel it's like yeah. yeah it's the same kind of thing like we. appreciate it yeah like if we know the. Colin's going on stage everyone's going. to watch him but I think for the average. per but it's also that's why they're so.

good because they don't have this desire. for fame they just have desire to do. great work right and they're not. thinking about promoting they're nothing. like is Colin even on social media I. don't think I've ever seen a post of his. I think he's on Twitter I don't know if. he's on Instagram I don't think I've. ever even saw a thing that he put up. yeah but he's universally respected. amongst comedians it's just like he's a. purist yeah and he's only and he does. this one man shows like red state blue. State brilliant prolific super prolific.

always working right yeah yeah. that's that's one of the real beautiful. things about uh these communities like a. a community and that's what I'm trying. to establish here in Austin right that's. why I put together that club and that's. why I set it up so there's open mic. night two nights a week every Sunday. every Monday that's really good there's. like all the people that work there like. the doorman and all the those are all. Comics yeah and they auditioned as.

Comics to get that that's great so they. had to do sets in front of Adam eager. they do these sets people evaluate their. sets and then you have the ability to do. these door guy showcases where you're. going in front of [ __ ] packed houses. yeah and it's it's amazing is it good. that there's a ladder yeah in place you. know because I went through that in the. in the city as far as like in 2008 I did. live at Gotham you know me and Nate did. it the same year live at Gotham then. 2010 I did a Comedy Central half hour I. don't know if they even still have that. anymore but a Gotham said it's eight.

minutes half hours 22 minutes then you. work your way up to an hour you know. what I mean it's like there there's a. ladder to climb yeah with your skill set. yeah you know unfortunately it doesn't. really exist anymore well one of the. things we want to establish here is we. want to want to have a real clear path. to becoming a professional and that if. you put together like a real set and. then you start doing guest sets on the. big shows in the big room yeah and then. maybe a guy like David Lucas or a guy. like Brian Simpson will take you on the. road right say you want to open for me.

in Seattle and then you go with him. right he flies you out and then you get. to see what it's like to be in a new. state and a new crowd and that feel and. then you'll have a clear path to being a. professional and the more professionals. there are the better it is for everybody. Yeah the more guys make it the more. girls make it the more it is it's just. better for comedy yeah all around and. it's better that it's nice that you're. doing it according to the skill set. because some guys develop like I think. Shane developed fast he developed very. quickly not that he didn't put in the.

work but some guys are like that some. guys run a 4240. you know what I mean. right right so it's like if you're. developing fast like Tom John again was. a guy like that I think he did a Comedy. Central half hour like three years into. comedy but he just he had it he was very. good. um yeah he's a writer now but uh stand. up anymore uh I think he's kind of. dabbling but he was writing on like. network shows supremely talented person. that's a trap. writing on a network show yeah there's a. lot of guys who are really funny guy do. you know Owen Smith yes I almost missed.

one of the best Comics a lot yeah and I. would see Owen at the store and I'm like. Jesus Christ how is this guy not world. famous right I didn't understand he has. the personality the Charisma the timing. the material the writing everything. everything but he works in Hollywood and. he's always writing and so he's always. writing on these sitcoms and he exists. in that world and it's a steady paycheck. he's got a family right and you get. trapped yeah and I've seen guys get.

sucked into that and they don't get the. career that they did it wouldn't be a. trap for a less talented person right. right but for him right it's like you he. should be like right there's some guys. that are really good writers but they're. just not comfortable performing and they. don't like it and it gives them anxiety. and they would rather just write right. they're more introverted yeah but. they're really talented for them that's. great but there's guys that are talented. performers that get that that gig and. then they get that steady paycheck every. week and then you get in that system. where oh there's a new show we want you.

to be a co-executive this or that right. right right and then you know you go. well the wife wants a pool you know. that's right the next thing you know. you're trapped that's right and then you. see these other guys that started even. after you and they're doing Arenas and. you're like oh my God if I had stayed on. the path I would be doing Arenas right. like in my mind Owen Smith should be. doing Arenas like 100 when I see him at. the store I'm like Jesus that guy's good. yeah but he's on that network path right. on that sitcom I think he's a show. runner now which is great that's great I.

mean that's that's really good money and. but but it's that stability world as a. comic I want the world to know right I'm. like I want to I don't want the world to. know how good that guy is right but it's. the stability versus the uh you know. rolling the dice it's just gesture that. just because you're that good doesn't. mean you're gonna get that kind of. exposure maybe eventually it'll happen. it's more like you might have to walk. through fire you're gonna walk through. fire yeah no matter what if you don't. have a draw but you do have the skill. set you're walking through fire I don't. give a [ __ ] because you're gonna do a.

half filled show in Columbus Ohio where. they have to pay for the room because no. one knows who you are yet and even if. you're a [ __ ] killer it takes years. and years yeah which is the problem. right it's like it kind of takes like 10. years of that grind on the road before. the word gets out right or a few years. at least and that's hard to do when. you're used to those steady checks and. it's really hard to do if you have. people relying on you yeah that's the. harder yeah because then you have to. explain it to them you're not going to. yeah you're just gonna you're gonna take. that job and you're gonna hope that. something magic happens and it allows.

you to like leapfrog everything and then. just go straight into big theaters and. Arenas but it doesn't happen it really. doesn't yeah because you're just not. focused on I get it yeah and that's one. of the things that I tell these young. Comics today I'm like the best thing. that you could do is concentrate on. yourself right meaning that work on your. act and instead of like hoping to get. hired to do something create your own. thing create a podcast right and that's. the most Freedom you're ever gonna have. and it's the best you can make it.

whatever you want yeah you know it. doesn't have to be you know and then. it's it's a lot of trial and error for. sure you know and it grows it grows over. time and but even that like I know. Comics that like want to start a podcast. now and then they're like oh only two. two thousand people are downloading my. [ __ ] like yeah next week it'll be 2 100. right and that's how it goes or. sometimes you need to end the podcast. and shift to something you know shift to. something else like another idea maybe I. think but I think with podcast that's. the most important thing is consist. consistency yeah and a lot of guys they. start out and they do it for a little.

while and then they lose focus and they. stop doing it I'm gonna restart my. podcast like. when people say that that's the feeling. that I used to get when people stop. fighting and then they would they would. take like three years off and then come. back to the gym again I'm thinking about. taking some fights like. okay right yeah you're lost yeah yeah. because you're like you gotta stay on. the path right because like we're. talking about you're building a mountain. out of layers of paint right and you. take uh you know a few years off or. whatever you're taking off those [ __ ].

those layers don't stay at the level. they were at before they deteriorate and. now you have to rebuild and that's a. daunting process I think but that's. probably the case with anything that's. hard right I think that's true yeah I. think that's true but I think it's. wonderful that you're creating a. environment where people can work hard. raise their level and then they get to. another level yeah and they're working. their way up also very important as far. as motivation to see Killers yeah. they're getting to see these people like. big Jay oakerson was there last night.

one of the funniest people oh he was. amazing Ari shafir was there last night. they're getting to see these people that. they've seen on television they've seen. on YouTube and it's exciting to see them. in real life and no and if that person. comes up to them and goes hey man I love. that bit. when you're a young person coming up and. someone tells you that your thing is. good right oh it's so exciting but it's. a very unselfish thing for you to do. because you could be doing whatever you. wanted now and to and to put your focus. back on that by pulling other people up.

it's also selling something it's also. selfish because it helps me it's it's I. wouldn't say it's selfish but it's not. like I don't benefit from it I benefit. from it by having that environment where. I can work out right and I know that if. like if you put together a gym filled. with Killers yeah you could say like oh. well that you know that's great that you. did that for those guys yeah but it's. for me too right because I want that's. what you need if you I always tell. Comics like you can't be the funniest. guy in Poughkeepsie New York right. because like there's no one else there.

and so it's hard to develop like a real. act when like if if you want to learn. Jiu Jitsu and you're only training with. white belts you're only going to get so. yeah yeah you got to be around Killers. right you got to be around killers and. that's the thing with comedy and I think. it's probably the thing with music and. it's probably with everything else you. get inspired by the Excellence of other. people around you and it raises your own. personal expectations. that's absolutely true yeah I know that. just from wrestling like you're. wrestling in a tough tough you just sure. you become much much tougher yeah I mean.

you came out of Ohio I mean [ __ ]. animals come out of Ohio Jesus Christ. very good history of killer wrestlers. that come out of Ohio you are as tough. as you're and especially for a guy like. me athletically I wasn't the most. athletic guy so I really it really. depended on the program in the room I. was in a good program I would have been. I was tough but when the program fell. off I wasn't as good wasn't as effective. of course so it's hard to push yourself. yeah you know it's hard to push yourself. to the level that a great room will push. you by yourself almost impossible yeah.

yeah a level of competition and it's the. same in stand-up you know guys coming. out of New York you know like it's like. guys are good Mark Norman Shane you know. these guys. um Sam Morrell these guys Christy yeah. these guys have all been on the show. it's like these guys came up through. that club system it's also. my roommate for 10 years I love Dan them. but it's also the camaraderie like no. one understands Comics Like Comics too. yeah so it's like that's a place where. you could be yourself yeah you know you.

no matter what you're around these. people like when I'm around comics it's. not like oh there's that Joe Rogan guy. the podcast guy it's like no I'm just. these are my friends it's normal right. like I know you guys I've known. everybody for 20 years right you can. hang out it's it's it's more comfortable. it's like they're your peers that's your. your group that's the other thing people. don't realize like how long we've known. each other yeah a lot of us like I've. known guys in New York like I've known. them for like 20 since I've been there. 20 years it's like somebody new comes.

into this situation and it's all good. but I don't I don't know if they realize. how long we've been in that scene. together in a long time It's a Long Way. to the Top If you want to rock and roll. it's a [ __ ] long way it's not it's. not something that's going to happen. quickly and everybody in this world. wants things to happen quickly you know. they want to be a millionaire by the. time they're 25 they want to they want. to do this and that I have all these. expectations and aspirations which is. great it's great to be ambitious but if. you want to do that with comedy and you.

want to write material and you want your. act to develop that is a [ __ ] grind. you are you are running through rose. bushes naked for years yeah and there's. nothing other than that that's going to. get you there that's right and it's a. process yeah and it's like that's the. thing you gotta fall in love with the. process yeah and but that's also what. what helps being around fun people. because even if it's like a brutal. bloody process it's still hanging with. the guys and talk [ __ ] and laugh and all. kinds of personal [ __ ] happens along the.

way too and it's like you rely on these. people for support that your friends or. your peers and like picking you up and. uh trying to turn it into a bit or. trying to turn it into something you. know. uh fantastic yeah it's a fun gig man. it's a fun way to make a living and yeah. it's a fun way to get through life we. were talking about last night where we. just did a show and afterwards we're all. sitting around relaxing and having fun. smoking pot and I was like imagine. living your whole life and never killing. images like we went through that with.

the pandemic where like comedy was. stopped and I was like I guess maybe. I'll never do comedy again right I'll. tell the story The it's a crazy story. where Ron White had kind of resigned. himself to retirement he's like I think. I'm done I mean man I [ __ ] did it all. you know Blue Collar tour I got a jet I. got a [ __ ] I'm a [ __ ] sell my boat he. said I'm just gonna [ __ ] relax I got. money in the bank I'm gonna play golf. right and then we did a show in November. of 2020 at the Vulcan gas company down. the street on 6th Street and uh.

Tony Hinchcliffe had the show he put it. up and he put Ron White up and I was. already talking about putting together a. comedy club I was trying to find a spot. and then I was actually telling. everybody I think I found the spot and I. wound up not using that place and. getting another place but Ron goes on. stage and he hadn't been on stage in. like a long time like eight months or. something like that went on stage and. [ __ ] murdered wow murdered and then. he comes off stage and he grabs me by.

the shoulders he goes whatever the [ __ ]. we have to do to keep doing that we're. gonna do it that's great he goes get. your [ __ ] club open let's go and I. was like God damn that's good it was. like he had electricity coming up yeah. because he just goes to show it doesn't. matter how much money you have it. doesn't matter like that feeling that. feeling is what's important to us. there's nothing like it it's also you. understand more than anybody how hard it. is to put all that stuff together and to. figure out a way to say it in a way it's.

gonna get the laughs. that's really it there's nothing like. when you're sitting there and you're. turning the bit you're turning however. you're doing it writing it out I do. notes on my phone but you're like kind. of saying it in your head and then. you're like that moment where you're. like I think I got something here yeah I. think I really got something here and. then the satisfaction of taking that and. trying it on stage and then getting the. you're like okay I got it I got a. punchline and it's like now I'm gonna. keep coming I don't know how what your. process is might as I just keep coming. at it just keep coming keep coming every.

morning jokes keep throwing jokes at it. keep asking questions about it and then. when you when you have it it's just. there's no feeling like it even Fame. whatever it's like money it's like. there's no feeling like having that bit. and just having it murder like all the. way through from beginning to end having. a new tagline yeah that just yeah just. something that simple yeah yeah it's the. best I really love it this is the best I. really love it do you write in front of. a computer do you write on a notebook do.

you just write on your I used to do. journaling you know if I was like let me. you know because coming up with premises. it's like there's so many funny things. that happen to us every day or. potentially funny things it's like just. journaling makes you conscious of it. because there's so many things that slip. by like on the way here I had a. um. uh knuckle brass knuckles but they're. wood the more hilarities in Cleveland. and uh the owner Nick Costas he gives me. a gift every time I do it I don't know. if he does it for everybody but uh the. time before he gave me a baseball bat.

and this time it was wooden brass. knuckles he's a great he's a great guy. it's a fantastic Club so he gets these. wooden brass knuckles and I'm going. through security at Fort Lauderdale. Airport to come here and they flag my. bag and they bring it over and the guy. goes. what's what's this I immediately go Nick. Costas hilarious immediately give up his. name I'll wear a wire I'll wear a wire I. am a snitch. Knuckles yeah I don't know no they're. not brass they're wooden and I don't.

know what um how it hijack a plane it's. like take this to Yemen or this guy gets. a splinter you know so it's like uh but. they were like and I was rushed so he's. like do you want to check your bag or do. you want you could just give it up I'm. like I'll just give it you know I'll. just give it up but it's like a brass. like for them to take that and I think. they're wooden he gave them to me wooden. because so they would get through. security you know but for them to do it. but like my point is that journaling. like I never would have thought twice. about that but it's like journaling.

brings that out so sometimes I'll do. that if I feel like uh nothing is. happening but then I'll take bits on my. phone and I'll just um like I went to. jury duty and I'll I'll just there's I'm. like there's so many funny things here. about jury duty trying to get out of it. the way they threaten you in New York. anyway they go you have to serve or. you're going to go to jail for a year. it's like they're gonna have to pick a. jury for my trial. is it really the case you go to jail for. a year if they say it's a year or a 60. 000 fine or something like that it's.

like I don't know maybe 60 000 was too. high but it's like a year in prison and. a fine or both the point is they. threaten you hard to make sure that you. go to jury duty oh my God and it's like. I don't know if this is how much faith I. have in the justice system with your. threatening me a private citizen for a. year to come to jury duty anyway so um. you end up going and it's like as Comics. we're in this conundrum because it's. like it could be a three-week trial it's. like yeah I cannot serve for three weeks.

I have Road dates money is at stake. flights are booked yeah like all of this. stuff matters to me like I need this. money so uh you know but they just don't. care there's nobody to call there's. nobody to complain to so it's like you. come and you check in and you just hope. that you're not called into the thing so. we're sitting there and we're just. waiting so but that's like there's so. many funny with emotions and feelings. that come through there and like how do. I get out of this right it's like. I a felony a felony if you have a felony.

you can't serve it's like I could Sucker. Punch the bailiff okay I mean it's like. that's a felony he's supposed he's a cop. he's like in you know it's like and then. you start punching that up and and. crafting it and then going in there and. and what really happened is I went in. there and they go you know we have a. jury pool outside we need to take them. first so instead of holding here we'll. see you guys tomorrow meanwhile I have. to fly out the next day so I go to the. bailiff I go hey I can't come back. tomorrow I'm sorry I have to fly out I. cannot come back tomorrow he goes wait.

here he goes he gets a piece of paper. and he goes gives this give this to. holding downstairs they might they might. uh reissue you another date they might. cut you. so I go all right so I go down there I. give it to her she's like give me a. minute just sitting there waiting and. she comes back she's like see you in. four years you're that you're cut oh I. was like oh thank God but that whole. thing like the tension of of that like. that's I'll put that on my phone and. I'll just keep coming keep coming at it. um yeah that's good that's a good way to.

do it everybody has their own way you. know right like I think what's your way. I write in front of a computer I I sit. down and I write I like I write about. subjects and it's a lot of wasted time. like there's a lot of it that's [ __ ]. useless but I have to find out where the. jokes are right so I'll write on a. subject and I'll just start expanding on. that subject and then I'll come up with. one funny thing and then I'll take that. and I'll copy it and paste it into a new. file yeah and then I'll write with that.

thing that like one paragraph that I. think is funny and then I'll expand upon. it and then I'll come back to it the. next day and I'll smoke some weed and. drink a cup of coffee and stare at it. some more and then I write I write like. basically an essay and then in that. essay I'll find the funny stuff and. extract it it's not a efficient process. because it doesn't come out looking like. stand up it's like basically I'm farming. premises right and I'm I'm doing it. through just time and like forcing.

myself to sit in front of it and so I do. it a lot of it at night which is kind of. hard because I'm tired it's like. sometimes I'll literally see myself like. nodding out in front of the computer. while I'm writing but if it's just one. [ __ ] line like I have one line in one. of my new jokes that came from that and. it [ __ ] murders this one line that's. like a new bit and this one online like. defines that bit and it came out of the. middle of the night right it was like. two o'clock in the morning and I'm just. sitting there riding like oh yeah yeah I.

go there it is there it is that's what I. was looking for I'm panning for gold and. I'll find that I'll copy and paste it. and then I put them all on my phone so. then if you look at my phone I go into. like I have a material folder and it's. all like stuff that I've written over. the last few months that's great and. it's like I go over those bits and then. I know which ones are in the act right. now and then the ones that aren't in the. act when I'm trying to add new stuff. then I'll take that okay let's talk.

about this boom and then I'll put that. up in the computer and then I'll start. writing and then when I want something. to be really memorized like the nope the. little uh Post-it notes or the the. little uh index cards that's when I. write down physically with my my hand. because that's what really commits it to. memory writing something down commits. things to memory far better than any. other way I think that's true so so do. you take a note card up with the new. material on it or you're just developing. you know the beats in the bit yeah I.

don't bring notes on stage yeah I I lay. out those notes on the coffee table if. I'm doing an arena or even a theater. sometimes I'll do it but if I do it a. comedy club I just have the notes on my. phone because it's more casual but when. I do uh like actual physical writing. we're trying to come up with new ideas I. can type way faster than I can write. right and I don't have to look at my. fingers so I could just look at the. screen and in the process of writing. like if I'm sitting there I get into.

like a trance or I'm only thinking about. the ideas right but it's hard because. you get distracted you want to surf the. web YouTube videos you just gotta like. make I'll like say okay you're not doing. jack [ __ ] until you have 900 words. correct if you have 900 words then you. can [ __ ] off and do whatever you want or. not depending on if you're hot if you. got something yeah yeah but you want to. keep that I mean but I might get. something one out of ten times so it's. like nine times this is a trudge right. but I know that if I do that 10 times. then I'll have a bit that I didn't have.

before but if I don't do it that bit. doesn't exist right that's like the. Stephen pressfield the guy wrote The War. of art he talks about that like. summoning The Muse. and then if you are a professional and. you sit down and you just do the work. those ideas will come to you but if you. don't if you don't sit there and summon. that Muse they're not coming and I know. it's a weird painful goofy uncomfortable. process to just sit there and not have. anything to say it's messy yeah the.

whole thing is messy but yeah that's the. way to do it for me for me I also take. notes like if something hits me during. the day that I think is funny even if. it's not a joke just something peculiar. sure I'll write it down in just general. notes but then I'll have like topics. like jury duty working on this thing on. the electric chair now and it's just. like use that as a topic it's like I got. a couple of jokes that are working there. it's like why not keep coming at it keep. coming at it until it's a until it's a. solid bit well it's the thing that we're. talking about before it's like the. process of getting good as a comic is a.

long process right and the more you can. do like listening to sets watching sets. you know watching other people perform. writing the more you put in this overall. time and hours that's going to manifest. itself in in better performances and. better material and better sets it's. just there's no other way to do it and. like you know when I talked to Shane. about his act like I'm like dude your. [ __ ] material's so good right yeah. it's so exciting goes it's all I care. about because it's all it's really great.

yeah but that's that's why it's so good. it's like he cares so much it's all he. cares about which is why it's so hot. right and that's the [ __ ] thing man. it's just how much attention and energy. are you putting into it even if you're. not going to sit down and write the way. that you do like and you don't feel like. it maybe you traveled that day maybe. something else happened it's like just. just check in on them like just check in. on the jokes to see how they are it's. like maybe you have a cup of coffee and. just you're burned out you did it. whatever it's like maybe just have a cup. of coffee and check in just committed to.

memory yeah you committed to thought get. those ideas bouncing around in your head. right yeah right it's a [ __ ] process. man but yeah you know and that's what I. wonder like I wonder if chat GPT is. going to bypass that process and people. are not going to need that anymore I. mean hopefully I'm uh Gone by that time. I hope to be out I don't know man I hope. to be out I don't know I will be I don't. know if it will be but I'm excited to. have you at the show tonight it's okay. we're gonna have a good time yeah two. shows tonight and then there's also two. shows in the little room too we have uh. we run four shows a night I can't wait.

to see it man it's exciting yeah so uh. tell everybody about your special how. can they get it there it is. um it's uh called uh Michael on the. attractives. and uh it was produced by Nate bargatzi. my friend who gave me the opportunity to. put it on his platform platform where. did you film it in uh Nashville oh and. now you're at Zanies Nashville Zanies. yeah oh that turned it looks like a. theater zany's people are just uh. fantastic and great and uh 800 pound. gorilla these guys did a great job. that's [ __ ] awesome really looks.

goodies is a great Club it's a really. good that's that place is this laughter. soaked into the walls at that place yeah. it's unbelievable so I you could find it. on YouTube Mike vecchione the. attractives can't plug my social media. comic mic V on all social media. platforms at Comic Mike V all right well. thanks brother thank you so much for. having me I really appreciate it I. really appreciate what you're doing very. very funny guy thank you it's fun to say. and uh we're gonna have fun tonight all. right all right bye everybody.

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