Joe Rogan Experience #1961 - Peter Attia

[Music]. by night. night. Skrillex. so they make like these beautiful neon. cool looking funky signs and my buddy. Brigham actually bought it for me like. when I moved here and I was like wow. what a cool sign like wouldn't that be. nice if it was like in the studio behind. me and so it wasn't on purpose it wasn't.

by Design at all and so once uh once he. did it but the UFO was his idea. but I'm easy to figure out I mean I got. a [ __ ] Bob Lazar UFO on the desk I. got [ __ ] stars on the ceilings I have. a alien head in the sky yeah I'm a dork. it's easy to I mean it's not like wow. how do you know you like UFOs. [Laughter]. I get obsessed I'm absolutely obsessed I.

think it's the only thing that's Gonna. Save Us. so uh outlive the science and art of. longevity this is a big one buddy. look at this look at all this it's a lot. of information in this not a lot of. pictures no pictures no there's some I. need pictures. [Laughter]. so. um is it out now out today today. beautiful how long did it take you to. write this six years wow. six years. and I know there's like that's like six.

years of actual work too yeah I mean it. rewrote it twice so there's kind of. version one version two this is version. three what did you change. so the first version. um got basically thrown out by the. publisher because they said this is way. too technical there's no narrative. there's no story it's being written to. just a very you know tiny sliver of the. world basically it's like the book you. would write to scientists or maybe. Physicians. so then there was kind of version two.

um so so that Vision that version is. completely gone I don't think there's. anything from that that made it into. version two wow version two was. the skeleton of this book but it was. about 50 longer I mean it was a massive. book. and that's the kind of version that I'd. say was Circa 2020. and this version is. just basically better because it's. shorter a lot of stuff got taken out of. it that I think was not absolutely. necessary. um and I just sharpened my thinking I.

mean I think that's what writing is I. think writing just makes you. ask the question like is this actually. is this necessary and does this does. this help the reader understand. something and if not get it out so the. the expression is kill your babies. you've got to be able to like read. something that you've worked really hard. on and put a ton of time into and say. I got a new kid yeah I think that's uh. with everything yeah totally Fiction. with comedy without I'm sure it's that. way with music you just there's a. certain point in time you have to edit. things and get that with comedians it's.

a real issue because some comedians like. like certain parts of a bit and like. look that bit [ __ ] your bit up I know. it gets like a little bit of a laugh but. it [ __ ] it up because this like yeah I. kind of like doing that like listen. don't look at it like it's yours look at. it like if you were outside of you like. I edit the [ __ ] out of my stuff if you. look at it like it's outside of you like. how would you approach that and but. that's very hard to do because if you. write something I mean six years right. three different versions there's a lot.

of you invested in this book so it's. like. very difficult to just like chop stuff. up and you know and just just [ __ ]. throw it away all the time and all the. thinking and. but and there was a whole appendix that. never made it in so one of the things I. wanted to do was pick like the 20 most. important drugs hormone supplements that. I think are relevant and right just. quote unquote 10 pages on each and.

or I didn't I didn't go into it thinking. it would be 10 pages I thought I'm just. going to write the essentials on these. 10 things you know kind of rapamycin. Metformin you know nicotinamide riboside. you know those sorts of things. but then it turned out it was taking me. like you know eight to ten pages per in. the Publishers like it there's no way. you can have a 200 Page appendix on a. 450 page book so like all of that work. gone just scrap oh no have you thought. about making that like a separate guide. yeah maybe down the line I'll just.

publish it on my website yeah that's. what I was thinking yeah yeah yeah well. it seems like it's very valuable. information though yeah I mean it's. I'm ready to put the book aside for a. minute. yeah although my wife says like the last. few weeks she's like it feels like the. weight of the world is off your. shoulders you know yeah well it is when. you have something that's a big project. it's very difficult to not let it. consume your entire life.

yeah absolutely you know I was watching. this clip of you and huberman it was. really fascinating because you were. talking about. um. self-talk the way you talk to yourself. and about how you adjusted that I. thought that was very very interesting. that you would you would get so you know. the one of the problems with people like. yourself I guess myself too people that. get like really into things is uh you. get obsessed and then you get very hard.

on yourself if you if things aren't. going well or if it's not going exactly. the way you want it to go the way you. know if you're not using proper. technique if you're not doing and then. for you you had a real problem where you. like very hyper critical of yourself. yeah uh and and I mean it was actually. out loud I mean I would just verbally. berate myself whenever I made mistakes. um and and I I don't I I don't remember. not experiencing this right so this is. something that's so life yeah this is.

like seven-year-old Peter was doing this. too wow where'd you get that from. I mean. I I know it had to do with sort of you. know various defects in my you know my. life as a child and and I think there. was just I think everybody responds kind. of differently to I the word trauma's a. bit loaded so I want to be kind of. careful using it but I think we all. experience trauma we had we're highly. adaptable right so everybody adapts to. trauma very well I think for the most. part but there are Mao adaptations and I.

think one of my. you know issues I think growing up was. just a total inferiority complex right. this feeling like not good enough. um you know look down upon constantly. you know all that sort of stuff like a. lot of this is very typical immigrant. stuff by the way like when you're kind. of the only non-white person in your. middle class neighborhood you're you're. different than everybody else. um look I think that's what drew me into. sports like boxing and martial arts at. such a young age right it was kind of.

like the I'll be different I'll be. better I'll be tougher all those things. so. somehow I just think that that that. narrative got harsher and harsher as I. got older and older and it didn't matter. you know what sort of. uh accolades came with it because. because it does produce good results. sometimes you know you do get better. um. but I think you know where I got to is. just. the the benefits were no longer close to.

compensating for the costs and I think. the biggest costs were the costs not. just on me which were there all along. but it's how it kind of spreads into. your relationships with other people. most most importantly your family. realized at an early age that there's. zero benefit in being hard on yourself. because I'm I am no matter what I'm a. perfectionist and I get very angry at. myself there's zero benefit to self-talk. that's negative. so I I cut that out of my life like very.

early on how did you do that. well uh one of I mean from you know age. 15 on I was uh very. um very active in martial arts. competition right so the my whole Focus. was on that and my whole Focus was on. getting better. and anything that would somehow or. another get in the way of me getting. better I cut it out whether it was. partying drinking spending too much time.

with girls whatever it was I'm like. that's got to go because that's getting. in the way and. um I found that negative self-talk gets. in the way because there's the reason. why you have negatives or I had negative. cell Talk was because I was uh insecure. and I was very ambitious and I really. wanted to be really good and I wanted to. be really good immediately I didn't want. to wait but I realized somewhere along. the way that the negative in any way. shape or form I didn't need it because I.

was so driven like that the negative is. just getting in the way it was like I. thought that it was helping me because I. was like come on you [ __ ] idiot like. get going but then I realized like no no. no no no no like that's not that isn't. there's no benefit to that because all. the you already have like this crazy. desire to get better. so just don't ever be [ __ ] yourself. and instead. concentrate all your energy on what. you're doing wrong and technique and.

that's why my technique got so good so. quickly is because I didn't I didn't. spend any time with self-load like I. didn't spend any time after losses. loathing myself all I wanted to do is. get back to the gym but I just figured. it out on my own. and I don't know how you know there's. like there's been some moments in in my. life in in comedy and in martial arts. where I realize I have a very I had an. error in thinking and I made adjustments. and that was one of that was an.

adjustment that I made like as a team as. a young teenager I made that adjustment. that's fortunate I mean I like I'm 47. I'm 50 now but I was 47 when I figured. this out yeah and I didn't necessarily. figure it out on my own I mean it had to. be sort of made apparently clear to me. so the you know if I'd figured this out. when I was 17 I would have saved myself. and everybody else a lot of pain yeah. it's hard man because if you're. if you're ambitious if you have goals if. you're very into what you're doing.

you're very focused on whatever the. Endeavor is. whenever you have a setback. it's it's really frustrating and it's. infuriating and you can you can get very. angry at yourself especially if you're. doing something that you know better. like if you make an error whether it's. with archery or whether it's yeah and. anything that you do that you're really. interested in if you you know that it. was a lapse of concentration or you're.

tired or you just weren't focused on it. entirely and you [ __ ] something up. it's like God damn it you [ __ ]. dumbass piece of [ __ ] like it's so easy. to do that but you can't let that happen. because it's a bad use of fuel it really. is it's a bad use of fuel. I mean I'll still occasionally yell if I. [ __ ] something like [ __ ] [ __ ] but I'm. not mad at myself it's Just Energy I. just have to [ __ ] get it out you know.

just I just gotta [ __ ] let it out but. um I think thinking of yourself as a. [ __ ] loser is never good like zero. time there's no benefit ever you're. always going to have frustration you're. always gonna but you have to also. understand the process like in the while. things are going poorly it's very. difficult to to recognize that it's part. of the process it's so hard it's so hard.

when things are going poorly whether. it's a stand-up comedy or martial arts. or anything. when things suck when things aren't. going well it's so difficult to see past. that moment but you just have to and. over time with many many different. instances of this taking place you. recognize like it's okay I know you feel. like [ __ ] I know you feel like the. world's ending but it's not not only is. it not ending this is like totally. inconsequential and this is actually. good for you because this frustration. will add to your motivation it'll add to.

your inspiration and you'll eventually. get better but tell that to a 16 year. old it's [ __ ] so hard man it's so. hard I actually I tell you in me it got. worse over time like as bad as it was. when I was young and when I was young I. mean I was. it was so I can't imagine what my. parents went through like I don't think. I went one month without putting my fist. through a wall at home I mean I got I. got so good at doing drywall I I'm. serious like because that's like my. parents were like well you're gonna have. to fix that just like I basically became.

like a Tradesman on the side I just get. you a punching bag I did I mean I had. every punching bag I mean I didn't care. because if I got pissed while I was in. my bedroom there wasn't a punching bag. there like but wow um how many like even. even in college like you know writing. computer programs and like if I screw up. some line of code like I would break my. mouse or break my keyboard or whatever I. mean it was just like so pathologically. destructive. um and you know it just it just got so. much worse you know it just which is.

really frightening do you think it got. so much worse because you accomplished. so many things in your drive just. increased with the amount of success. that you had and the the the the the. different things you'd accomplished in. your life whereas when you were younger. it was almost like. you you experience [ __ ] ups and success. whereas as you've gotten older when a. [ __ ] up does happen it's just so. infuriating because you you should be. past it.

that's a good question I that might be. the case it my thinking is a little bit. different which is um there's an. addiction at play here right so so if. you if you shift the thinking of this to. that of addiction mindset. um and it's hard to sometimes think of. perfectionism as an addiction because it. doesn't produce immediately the same. negative consequences as the addictions. to you know alcohol drugs and gambling. and sort of the less socially acceptable. addictions. but I think what happens with most.

people who are addicted to something is. their appetite for that addiction that's. higher and higher. and so you know if you're addicted to. alcohol like an alcoholic habituates to. a certain amount of alcohol they have to. drink more and more and more and. similarly the need for achievement grew. more and more and more and one of my. therapists explained this to me so well. and I was like that is the most. frightening brilliant analogy I've ever. heard she said you know your entire.

self-esteem is based on performance. and anytime you turn to one of your. performance you know addictions and you. don't get performance back you lose your. mind right so you everything you have to. do feeds your sense of self-worth so if. you go out and shoot the bow. it's got to be great if you go out and. drive the car or get in the simulator. it's got to be great if you're trying to. you know prepare for a podcast it's got. to be great like all of these things you.

have to be great and when you don't it's. sort of like an alcoholic who walks into. a bar asks for vodka and gets water. right they're asking for vodka they need. the thing that feeds their addiction but. they're being given water instead so I. want I'm demanding great performance. because that's how I would validate my. existence and I instead I get no. performance I get lousy performance but. because my appetite has grown it gets. hard that's why I think over time it. just got worse and worse so what did you.

do to correct that. well I mean I think there's two things. right there's the underlying belief. system has to be completely shattered. right so that's you know I spent. total of five weeks in residential care. two weeks in 2017 and three weeks in. 2020. so that's you know that's as bad. as it gets right that's you're doing 12. to 13 hours a day of therapy seven days. a week. and that's where you're kind of going. back to the root of the problems like. what is it that is creating or has.

created this belief system in you. um so you have to go back and look at. that you then have to figure out what. are the strategies and tools to break. these habits and behaviors. um and so to the latter there was a very. tangible Tool uh put forth by one of the. therapists which was every time you. do something that creates this ire and. rage in you. instead of defaulting into your normal.

state which is yelling at yourself or. breaking an arrow over your thigh or. whatever it is you would do pull out. your phone. and audibly speak as though it's your. friend that made that mistake right so. if I'm shooting horribly. and and so and I really feel like I'm. gonna lose my mind I pull up my phone. and I pretend it's you that's shooting. horribly what would I say to you I. wouldn't yell at you if you're shooting. poorly I'd be like Joe look man I it's a. little windy today let's be honest we're. not making excuses but when it's 20 mile.

an hour wind it's hard to shoot well. um maybe you're tired you know you. probably just lifted right before you. came out here that always makes it. harder for you to stabilize the bow. um and look maybe it's just a bad day. like let's come out and do it again. tomorrow and so I would record that and. I would send that to my therapist every. single time and this would happen like. multiple times a day and just doing that. four or five times a day after four five. six months. what I called my inner Bobby Knight. which was the name I had for that guy.

that would scream at me like I just. couldn't hear him anymore wow that's. fascinating. so you've fixed a lifelong problem in. just a few months which if you had told. me up front that was possible I would. have said it's not you can't I was like. there's no way you can undo something so. I I thought so terminal. um but you know this this speaks to. plasticity right the brain is a pretty. plastic thing. it's interesting to think of what.

what started you on this path and why. you didn't course correct I'd love this. thought process that it's an addiction. and you're addicted to great performance. which totally makes sense. totally makes sense. because I could feel myself I could like. I definitely could have succumbed to. that same sort of uh thinking and. behavior and it is a dangerous addiction. perfectionism is a dangerous Addiction. in the sense that.

a lot of people will reward it Society. generally rewards it yeah and in that. sense another fear I had was because I. mean it's not like my it's not like. people around me didn't know I was a. mess but anytime someone tried to. suggest like. back off I would look at them and say. are you an idiot like if I back off I. won't be as good like if I don't you. know like when I was in residency I had. this obsession with wanting to read.

every single textbook written in surgery. and you know this is we're already. working like 114 hours a week it's not. like I had a lot of free time and my. wife was like you're so dogmatic in this. like you insist on reading 26 pages of. tiny fonted textbooks every day and. and she's like why like you don't need. to do this and I was like are you. kidding like of course I need to do this. like what else will my legacy be if I. don't do this I mean it's just like this. very polluted sense of self-worth.

um but again it's rewarded because then. you you know you know a lot right and so. you you people people are happy with how. much you know so it feeds on itself in a. very destructive way there's nobody. that's looking at the guy who's losing. all his money gambling and saying good. job like keep doing that. Legacy is the strangest thing to Aspire. to because you will never experience it. yeah it's such a so ridiculous isn't it. but you're not even gonna be here it's.

so weird I'm really glad I don't have. any worry about my legacy I have zero. thought about my legacy I I and I am so. glad that I couldn't care less about it. now as well it is such a crazy it's such. a remarkable Freedom it's the driving. force between behind many people's lives. though yeah. and I actually like feeling like kind of. a good for nothing whatever like I mean. you certainly are not that though no no. but why you like feeling like a good. friend author because you clearly are. not well I think it's just that I.

realize like outside of my kids. I'll tell you an interesting story. that's sort of a sad story but it's it's. so profound right so I had a friend who. um his wife was pregnant with their. first kid and he's a successful guy so. he prior to his wife having kids I think. he goes through the same sort of. thoughts everyone is going to go through. which is like how's this going to change. my life. and. the day his wife has the baby he you. know uh it's like the next day I guess. he's still in the hospital he steps out.

to go buy some food and he he still. remembers this to this day he's like he. bought a banana and he's walking back to. the hospital with the banana that he. just bought. and he thinks to himself. I wonder if I'm going to be the kind of. guy who now thinks the most important. thing in his life is his family or is it. still going to be you know being a. venture capitalist. he's thinking about and he's thinking. about it and he goes you know what. I actually think it's just going to be. my family I think all this other stuff. is going to be [ __ ] and life is.

going to be my family. and I'm not making this up he gets back. to the room and his wife is dead oh my. God she had had a pulmonary embolism. and she died one day after delivering. their first child. and I was just having dinner with him. like two weeks ago and he was like. you know it's so ironic that I kind of. just immediately have that realization. just as everything gets taken away from. me. but he feels that way even more now.

right. and I was like you know I think that is. exactly the right distinction to make. it's like this is life these are the. things that are life. everything else is [ __ ] yeah. the problem is that getting acceptance. and getting appreciation for success is. all is a drug it really is a drug right. and it becomes a thing that you aspire. to and it seems like the only thing in. life.

when the really the the the goal to life. really is harmony. that's the real goal like the goal to. life is not never being uncomfortable or. always being uncomfortable the goal to. life is not never being upset versus. always being upset the goal to life is. like this balance it's like enjoyment. in the things that you do but also in. your occupation having Hobbies but also.

having a family having love and. friendship but also having enough people. in your life that you've encountered. that suck to understand why you. appreciate the people that you care for. so much yeah I think all those are. important like even the the people that. I know that suck. I value those experiences because. they've taught me how really cool my. other friends are you know when someone.

is a [ __ ] psycho narcissist and they. [ __ ] ruin everything they touch and. like it's good to see that person it's. really good to see this one person that. doesn't give a [ __ ] about anybody with. themselves and go wow what a weird way. to live yeah you know and then it'll. make you appreciate this other friend. that's like super generous and helps. everybody's always smiling like God I. love you so much now I appreciate you. you know like appreciate like that you. have this energy because. we could all be that guy we could all be.

this [ __ ] psycho who thinks about. nothing other than themselves or this. psycho thinks about nothing other than. success which I've been in my life. before. you know. um I really liked I almost wish I could. go back and meet myself when I was 21. because I'm so different from that. person then I'm almost like I have a. distorted understanding of like who I. was I really would like to see that. person I'd like to like see that person. operate you know I can just like and you.

wouldn't worry about because of course I. played this game all the time right. everything happens for a reason you are. where you are today you are who you are. like if you went back and talked to the. 21 year old you. hey would he even listen to you that's a. question I wouldn't talk to him oh you. oh you just want to observe I just want. to watch okay okay yeah I'm not gonna. change yeah yeah look I would not want. to change anything about about my youth. because I think that it it turned me. into who I am and I think whatever. combination of life experiences and bad. feelings and positive feelings whatever.

positive feedback that I got from. performance and from. accomplishments they they drove me to. become who I am yeah but it's also it's. like. there's also a lot of like being. fortunate right like being fortunate. that you found a great occupation and a. great group of people and I have a great. family it's like I like to be happy and. life is [ __ ] complicated. yeah there's amazing luck involved I.

mean you and I were talking about this. the other day right like winning the. wife Lottery like when you marry the. right person it's everything yeah I I. and and I think I just feel like so. lucky that your wife's amazing you. really are lucky and so am I and a lot. of other people are too but you also. didn't [ __ ] marry some dumb [ __ ]. you know you know and she in her on her. case she didn't marry some [ __ ] dumb. [ __ ] it's like you get lucky but you. also I like I've dated some monsters you.

know and and I got out of it luckily but. just Jesus Christ there's monsters out. there there's people and these people. are just human beings and you're. catching them at whatever stage of their. existence where they've had like. terrible upbringings and bad family. members and just a [ __ ] alcoholic dad. abusive mother who's constantly. criticizing them and then they they. become this thing and then you run into. them at the bar hi nice to meet you I'm. Peter hi I'm Debbie and then Debbie just.

[ __ ] what's let me look at your phone. who are you texting Peter like oh no. but if Debbie's hot that's the problem. you know your genes are like listen. listen shut the [ __ ] up quick look at. her tits look at that ass let's go and. then next thing you know Debbie's. pregnant next thing you know Peter is a. baby with some monster. and that can happen and it's happened to. my friends to good friends of mine it's. [ __ ] awful to experience I've had.

good friends of mine that got wrapped up. in horrendous relationships. I think I was thinking about this the. other day I mean the role of luck in. anyone's life is profound the the thing. that I think gets under appreciated is. the luck we have being born where we are. like I so my parents are immigrants. right so I was born like a couple years. after they moved to Canada. and I was talking with my parents uh two. months ago they came out to visit and I. said like was there any chance you guys. were not gonna move that you stayed in.

Egypt right like what what was there any. chance and and I think you ever think. how different my life would be if I was. born in Cairo and the answer is like. Beyond different beyond beyond different. there is no singer single Stroke of Luck. that has impacted my life then and by. the way like if we had been if we had. been born in Egypt if I'd been born in. Egypt you know because we're not Muslim. I mean it's not a great place to be if. you're not a Muslim in a country that's.

obviously majority Muslim so. you know they're just you know I would. have been discriminated against I mean. it would have just been I wouldn't have. had the same educational opportunities. which wouldn't have had any of the. opportunities that I had growing up in. Canada so you know something is. completely out of my control but. probably had a greater impact on the Arc. of my life than anything else yeah. that's just dumb luck right yeah you. just hit the birth Lottery. absolutely I think that way too I also. think that you know we are extremely.

fortunate in human history to be born. when we were born I'm a little older. than you I'm 55 you're 50. so we you. know you were born in the 70s I was born. in the late 60s and what we were born. yeah just go 100 years earlier yeah yeah. which in evolutionary time is still. nothing that's right that's like blank. zero zero percent yeah but yes 100 years. sooner we have different existence yeah. we're [ __ ] we're [ __ ] everyone's. dying of infections and and on top of. that we have experienced a very unique.

time in human history where the birth of. the internet has happened while we were. adults and not too young for us right. right so so it's like we got to grow up. I hate to say it yeah like normal right. like normal like a normal human I mean. when I was a kid I remember the. answering machine being a big deal. we were like what we never had someone. at our house. oh that was that was Advanced I was way. too advanced I think I was in high.

school when it happened or somewhere. around then and I remember we got one at. my house I was like whoa and you would. come home and you'd see like a little. light flashing it showed you had a. message I was like this is crazy I. remember in the future the push phone. like when you didn't have to really. remember those and I was like it is so. much faster now and you don't go crazy. talk about punching a wall if you get. through all those digits then you [ __ ]. up the last one like ah like I remember. hating to call people that had eights.

and Nines in their numbers oh yeah they. took a long time forget about that nines. took forever yeah oh my God that's. hilarious it's so funny people will. never know that they think it's novel. it's like people who like using. typewriters oh I'm an old-timey person. with the [ __ ] white out on the paper. the [ __ ] out of here stupid stupid. I mean it's kind of amazing typewriters. existed forever and then all of a sudden. there's a word processor and it like. says didn't you mean this word you're.

like oh my God yeah I did mean that word. thank you it's like you barely even like. when I write in Microsoft Word I am. stunned at how often it just like. corrects for me or that I could just hit. Tab and like I'm halfway into the word. and offers a suggestion yeah that's it. yep that's it like I get four letters in. and it's like suggestion yeah that's it. yeah well and Gmail does it now for the. whole sentence yes that's wild yeah when. you get an email it gives you a. potential response like oh boy.

meanwhile the government is like. completely reading everything you say. everything you say. did you see that Tucker Carlson said. that the uh the NSA got into his signal. no I didn't yeah it's Signal app because. he was about to have a conversation with. Putin they were trying to set up a. conversation with Putin and the. government called them up and they're. like hey we know you're uh setting up a. conversation with Putin we saw it. through your signal app and he was like. what.

like I didn't even [ __ ] know they. could do that that's what he was saying. I assume they could do that because I. had a conversation with Gavin de Becker. and he essentially said that through. Pegasus software it's a pegasus 2.0 he. said Pegasus one you needed to click a. link and that's how they got Bezos. that's how um what's the guy's name from. Saudi Arabia got basil MBS yeah. um but Pegasus two they just need your. phone number. that's it like you're all this idea of. encryption like.

oh. will you use an encryption oh. that [ __ ] doesn't mean anything. they could just read whatever they want. it's really crazy yeah it's the amount. the violation of privacy that's. available right now to by the way just. regular people here's the thing about it. like who are these people that work for. the government they're people they're. just people that make a decision to just. look into other people's stuff it's not. like these are they're not priests. they're not some Monk that spent 10.

years meditating on a thought on a. Mountaintop and they've achieved a you. know an extraordinary level of. Consciousness no these are just [ __ ]. regular dorks who jerk off in the. bathroom on their lunch break and these. guys have access to all your emails and. it's a real problem it's a real problem. that I don't think most people are even. available or or aware of. it's a giant issue that we experience. right now it's like this whole digital. world.

and I don't know how much you've [ __ ]. with chat GPT at all quite a bit. um I I mean I've been trying to get onto. gpt4 now because I'm told that it's a. significant upgrade significant upgrade. yeah yeah because I was not impressed. with chat GPT on questions that required. like I'll give an example like I asked. it. between Sugar Ray Leonard Marvin Hagler. Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran explain.

who you think is the best boxer of that. era. I I can't remember but it was so dumb. Joe that I was like there this is not a. helpful answer like it basically said. well. um you know. Tommy Hearns beat Roberto Duran and like. it just basically recited a bunch of. facts but it couldn't move anything I. then asked it this was actually really. odd. um I said what was so special about the. 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix that's the one.

where going into the final race uh. verstappen and Hamilton were tied even. winner take all for the championship. that year and it was very controversial. ending because of the safety cars so. basically. um Lewis is leading Max is in second and. then with like a few laps to go. um uh who who spun out I think Nicholas. latifi hit the wall which needed a a. safety car and in the process. there's a rule that says every lapped.

car should be able to unlap itself for. the restart but they only. um let the cars between Hamilton and. verstappen unlock themselves so. verstappen had already pitted he got. soft on lap. so the leap by the end of a race usually. the leaders have actually lapped the. back markers of the field so unlap means. they get to go ahead of the leader to. unlap themselves and catch the tail. again because the cars are all going so. slow under a safety car I see. and anyway the point is it was super.

controversial if not for the way the. stewards had. interpreted the rule Hamilton probably. would have won the race but instead for. step in one because he was on better. tires so even though he was behind it. wasn't it was like he smoked Hamilton in. the last lap. so is he a newer tires yeah he had. switched his tires at the beginning of. that crash so I asked chat GPT to sort. of tell me what it was I didn't want to. allude to it I just said what was. special about that race.

this is the part that blew my mind not. only did it not know it confabulated the. whole thing it literally made up. nonsense. oh it got some things right this was the. last race of the 2021 season and going. in. you know Max verstappen and Lewis. Hamilton were even on points and then it. went off the rails dude it was like it. just. in the middle of the race there was a. safety car that did this and it's like. no there wasn't and it actually got it. wrong it said Lewis won and in doing so.

became the first ever eight-time world. champion and I'm like wow wow it's like. the confidence with which you spewed all. of those lies is amazing so this is 3.5. this was so I did this probably like a. month ago so I don't know what it must. have been 3.4 yeah was that what it was. was it three or three point five a month. ago because it it changed multiple times. over before is the newer version within. like the last two weeks but no not. everyone can use it still I'm not good. enough to use it because I've tried I.

can't get it you can't get it yeah why. not I don't know every time I try they. don't like it yeah clearly not well you. must talk some [ __ ] I must if they heard. you talk about 3.5 they're like so what. no four for you it's you would never be. able to get that was that's an. interesting thing like when it comes to. the boxing analogy or the question like. how would you quantify like because. experts like you and I love boxing right. but if we had a conversation about who's. better like who would you say. um Tommy Hearn Sugar Ray Leonard or.

Roberto Duran I put Hagler first me too. yep yeah I agree I think he was the best. because he he beat everybody and the. only reason why I wouldn't put Duran. ahead of Hagler is a Duran. if you go back to like Ken Buchanan when. he fought Ken B Canada 135 he was a. [ __ ] monster he was he was a beast. all the way up to welterweight yeah I. mean insane and even in welterroy and. then you know I the second fight with uh.

Sugar Ray Leonard really no no Hearns. won that disaster that's a disaster no. no Leonard and. um uh Durant yeah the second fight's a. disaster because Duran got fat and was. partying and he had a [ __ ] lion that. was on a chain he's walking down Panama. he's out of his [ __ ] mind and he just. parted too much and they gave him like. six weeks to prepare for an enormous. fight didn't he lose like 40 pounds in. six weeks or something well he looks.

like [ __ ] too like you look at his body. the difference in the way his body. looked in the first fight in a second. the first fight he was like a Live Wire. yeah I mean he was just an animal I mean. he attacked with such ferocity such. [ __ ] technique and just rough Leonard. up and battered them and did the Leonard. with nobody anticipated yeah you know. and Leonard for whatever reason decided. to try to stand with them which is crazy. so Leonard had a far better approach in. the second fight but he also was facing. a Duran that just really [ __ ] up and.

that those are the days we had to weigh. in the day of the fight too which is. crazy and and I thought I'll tell you I. don't think Leonard beat Hearns in the. second fight that was a draw I mean I. think that was an awful yeah I think so. too and I don't think no I don't I've. scored that fight 115 113 for Hagler. four times across 20 years like I watch. it about every four years and I keep. coming back 115 113. um and it bums me out like it just it. just I always think like Hagler doesn't.

quite get the do he I think Hagler was. you know I think Hagler monzon you know. Hopkins Robinson I mean they're the. greatest middleweights of all time yeah. yeah I would agree yeah I think I mean. Hagler has a special place in my heart. because did you ever meet him no I wish. no no he's one I really wish I met yeah. me too he was such a hero of mine like. as a kid like me I was so obsessed with. him when I was 13. me too same thing for. me it was his discipline yep never got.

out of shape shows up in Camp in shape. at weight yeah and you can wear that hat. it says war on it yeah oh God he scared. everybody and also he had the greatest. chance greatest chance amazing counter. puncher yeah the one roll Dan knocked. down his horseshit no that's a fake. knockout yeah it wasn't a knockdown he. got kind of pushed down they called it a. knockdown he took a shot better than. anybody that's ever existed he took a. shot from John the Beast Mugabe that. snapped his head back and he's like yeah. whatever and just [ __ ] stayed up look.

at the first round of hegler Hearns oh. my God. and Hearns just threw missiles at him. just boom boom I watched that again just. two days ago no way yeah I don't think. I've watched that fight in about five. years God I need to go back and watch it. it's so crazy to see two guys at the. very top of the Heap the best. in the world just throwing caution to. the wind and winging punches at each. other it was so crazy and Hagler just.

forced Hearns into a dog fight because. Hagler knew like you know do you know. Hagler had extraordinary musculature on. the side of his head that was so thick. there it was almost like he was built. with headgear on no I didn't know that. yeah it was crazy like see if you can. find an article on that but they did an. MRI on hagler's head while he was alive. and uh one of the things that they said. is like the amount of like the mandible. muscles the muscles they're like oh like. or temporary yeah is that what it is.

yeah that they're so thick they're like. three times normal size they're like. it's crazy it's like he was born to. fight. but it's also his his will and the. conditioning his conditioning was. legendary yeah he'd run with combat. boots on the winter on the beach I mean. he was just I just did everything to. emulate Hagler when I was a kid it was. just and when he quote unquote lost to. Sugar Ray Leonard I was in eighth grade. and all the girls in my class.

to tease me put bags of sugar on my desk. the next day oh my God I mean it was. just like you know. um that was dirty bits I was so pissed. I always felt when I watched that fight. like Hagler was holding back yeah so so. as you know right like Leonard bought. the fight right so basically. and this is the only thing I just wish I. could undo in history Hagler was so. adamant about making more than Leonard. in that fight that he conceded on three.

things that he shouldn't have conceded. on so Leonard was all you know I don't. think Leonard deserved more money than. Hagler right he was coming out of. retirement he had just been knocked on. his ass by Kevin Howard a few years. earlier right like I don't know why he. should be top Bill Hagler was Undisputed. middleweight champion of the world but. nevertheless because he's Leonard the. promoters were going to give him more. money and Hagler was like oh hell no I. get paid the most and. in exchange he conceded to the following. bigger gloves.

larger ring 12 instead of 15 rounds. Leonard got three out of three things. that he wanted now just imagine any one. of those things is undone I thought they. had already stopped doing 15. no this. was the this would have been the end of. it because it was the summer of 87 when. the ibf switched to 12 rounds so that's. right after duck who Kim died no daku. Kim died in 82. really yeah so so one of. the federations one of the three had. already I thought that was when they. ended it no one of them had switched to. 12 but because Hagler was Undisputed.

this still could have been a 15 round. fight oh wow and so just think about how. that fight's different with three more. rounds yeah or with smaller gloves or. with a smaller ring smaller gloves made. a big impact who they were they tens I. can't remember if they were tens instead. of twelves or eights instead of tens but. it was you know it can't be 12 right I. don't remember. well especially when I think of MMA with. four you know. mmas have those little tiny little.

gloves on there's they're doing a lot of. fights in one FC now where they have. kickboxing matches with MMA gloves um. it's wild you ever meet Benny the jet. your ketus no I have not that's another. dude yeah that was my that was my. kickboxing Idol yeah mine as well I'd. like to get him on the podcast I've. talked about getting him on I got to. reach out he I met his uh his uh his. cousin Blinky. Blinky Rodriguez. um when I was living in California when. I first moved there there's two places.

that I had to go to one was a comedy. store and two was the Jet Center and I. went to the Jet Center when I moved. there in 94 and it was right after the. big earthquake and the building that the. Jet Center was in got [ __ ] up by the. earthquake and the problem was when the. rain season came the building was a mess. because it just started leaking. everywhere it got really cracked open. and they had a move. so they moved to North Hollywood and I. trained there for a while too but just. wasn't the same the the Jet Center in.

Van Nuys was where it was at and Blinky. oh um I believe he'd lost his son to. gang violence I hope I'm not [ __ ]. this up. um but he because of that had this sort. of outreach program where he would work. with all the gang members and so I was. sparring with like these hardcore gang. members and I was good so it was a real. problem so I was like you know I was. don't be too good 26 at the time.

somewhere around then so it was only. like a few years five years removed from. me fighting and so uh I was uh still. sparring and I was still training on a. regular basis and I'd get in there with. these like hardcore gang members was. like just covered in tattoos and but. they had no skills and you know I just. be real nice to them just like please. don't [ __ ] shoot me after this you. know I remember. um dropping this guy with a body shot. and going oh no and then he got up he's.

like that's a good shot good shot I was. like huh thank you. but he he would have these guys come in. that were you know like right off the. street and try to give them some focus. and give them something that they could. they could do to you know Channel their. aggressive energy and also give them. some self-esteem like develop like some. skills and you know and they had a real. Idol in Blinky like Blinky Rodriguez I. don't know if you ever saw him fight but. he was a bad man he was the first guy to.

knock out Jean Eve tario oh really yeah. when Johnny vitaria was what a blast. from the past yeah. was the [ __ ] man and Blinky knocked. him out with a left hook I mean. flatlined him see if we can find that. Blinky Rodriguez Ko's Jean Eve tario. it was uh in the pants days the pants. kickboxing taste so you had to wear. pants it wasn't like the I love the. panties remember Bill Wallace yes he was. a [ __ ] man is he still alive yes he.

is yeah he's still throwing kicks so. here it is like look how bad the [ __ ]. the the VHS is yeah look at this so Jean. Eve tario oh this is like that looks. like a leg kick was that a leg kick it's. hard to tell I mean we're talking about. like the 1980s yeah it was a leg kick. interesting that's interesting. because they're leg kicking with pants. on. really unusual right.

but um. so this fight I don't remember yeah. they're throwing it oh there it is look. at that so he threw a low kick with the. right and then left hooked him show that. one more time. so watch this it's a beautiful setup. boom. so you spun them around with the low. kick and then flatlined them and Jean. eveterio went on to be like a absolute. Destroyer I mean he was like one of the. very best kickboxes of that era and just.

would [ __ ] kill people he was so good. but that fight yeah Blinky Rodriguez. flatlined him and Blinky was kind of. like you know he was a legend in the. kickboxing world and he did a lot of. commentary too I remember listening to a. lot of commentary he did for kickboxing. but that gym was uh you know. like if you talk about like all-time. famous kickboxing gyms in the United. States that's probably number one right. I think so yeah I mean especially when I. was a kid that was like.

yeah Benny was I mean his [ __ ] style. was amazing. he was so aggressive he saw he had such. an incredible technique too and he was. like one of the first guys that like was. that entered into kickboxing that got he. was so good that he got people paying. attention it wasn't a lot of people. paying attention to kickboxing back then. yeah. unless you're a dorks like us yeah. unless you're dorks like us yeah yeah I.

didn't even know about Muay Thai I. didn't know anybody that fought Muay. Thai until I was doing regular. kickboxing in 1988 and there's this dude. who I was friends with who was training. at this one gym where this guy was going. back and forth to Thailand I was like. why is he going to Thailand it's like he. goes over there and fights he goes over. there and trains and lives there for a. few months and fights and I thought this. guy was the craziest guy I'd ever met. this dude from Massachusetts who just. would go over to Thailand and he would.

train for many months at a time it's. like you know in 1988. it's like what is he doing like yeah he. sleeps on the floor lives in Thailand. and goes to a temple every day I'm like. what the [ __ ] I spent two years doing. mutai in college and absolutely loved it. but man. it's a different level of pain oh yeah. it's a totally different level of pain. leg pain is not fun and then the next. day. yeah it's I mean.

basically I was like the thing I had. going for me is I had a really good. spinning back kick right so you could. bring that from Taekwondo and so it kept. the opponents a little bit less eager to. get that close right and so um but of. course as you know like you have to be. you have to be able to keep that front. foot so light otherwise it's just going. to get ripped off well that's the thing. about MMA is that like you can't like. very few people have that Thai style and. then you mean Khalil Roundtree is.

probably the very best example. especially in the Eric Anders fight he. went to Thailand went over there like. could become after Johnny Walker. knockout became obsessed with Muay Thai. and came over and then when he fought. Eric Anders everybody was like Jesus. Christ look at Khalil he was like he. looked like a TIE fighter like his like. really light on the front leg and like. these crazy kicks they just became. obsessed with Muay Thai but most. Fighters they're they're like they're. doing things to mitigate leg kicks like. switching stances or throwing a lot of.

faints but because of the takedown. defense because of also the takedowns. themselves like you gotta kind of. incorporate a different stance. yeah well and yeah because because it's. a very exposed stance right if a guy is. not going to fight that style right. because you have to be kind of. front-facing to be able to stay lighter. wrestling yeah especially wrestlers I. mean if if a guy fights with a tie Style. with a very light front leg or the. wrestler he's just gonna [ __ ] power. double him into the corner and that's a.

that's a wrap. yeah it's it's so interesting to me like. watching MMA like how people are trying. to incorporate all these different. techniques and there's all these. adjustments that have to be made well. new new techniques come into play like. the calf kick like the calf kick has. kind of changed most of MMA because it's. so devastating it's like one of those. techniques where you get a couple of. those and all sudden your leg is screwed. up like you can't really move good.

anymore even if it looks like you can. move good you you're really kind of. hobbling on that one like you're you're. masking it with you know switching of. stances and moving but you're in agony. you're in agony your left leg is just. completely [ __ ]. man I I feel so fortunate that I somehow. escaped 10 years of getting hit without. more damage yeah I think that too I mean. I don't know how much damage I actually. have though sometimes I wonder about. like how many concussions do you ever. get do you know oh I've had a lot I have. no idea I have no idea I got one skiing.

a couple years ago my last time skiing. I'm like I'm done. I [ __ ] my knee up and I and I [ __ ]. banged my head hard some lady it was. like really new and she didn't know what. she was doing and she's like kind of. sliding into the middle of the the trail. and like oh Jesus Christ I came around. this corner and as I come around this. corner this lady is just like sliding. into the trail and he's either kill her. or fall down and so I went to try to get.

around her I knew I was going to fall. anyway I couldn't there's no way I just. couldn't adjust quick enough and I. [ __ ] skis went out from under me bang. my head back in my head off the ground. and then the whole rest of the day I was. just like confused and like I couldn't. my coordination was off everything was. screwy like I went to get on the chair. lift and I fell oh like an old man and I. couldn't get back up. and I was like what is wrong with me and. I'm hey stupid you have a concussion I.

was like oh okay. I had a really bad one in 93 and. um it actually it was so bad that you. could see the cerebral contusions on my. head in a seat I had a CT scan and I was. for. two to three months I had a headache it. wouldn't go away for two to three months. how did you get it uh sparring yeah I. used to do this dumb thing where I was a. middleweight so I would fight I would. Spar two rounds with a welterweight two.

rounds with a middleweight two rounds. with a light heavy weight so I wanted to. kind of so each the opponent would be. fresh for two rounds so I was getting. more and more tired as the opponent is. getting stronger but slower were you. competing uh no I had stopped competing. by this point so there was literally no. reason for me to be doing this this was. so dumb this is what like I was in. college at this point right so I'm a. college student who would still train. really really hard and. on the fifth round so the first round. with that guy who's a light heavier I.

remember his name was Mike. and this was a even by the standards of. a light heavyweight he hit like a mule. he just was he was he was he's such a. hard shot and I just on that particular. day I was just not feeling good. but I just didn't listen to myself right. I was like you're gonna finish these six. rounds no matter what even though I felt. horrible. and he got me with straight right after. straight right after straight right and. at the end of those six rounds I went. down to cool off on the speed bag and. just you know for people watching who.

don't know what that's like like hitting. a speed bag you shouldn't feel anything. like there's no weight to the dumb thing. right but just the impact of the side of. my hand on the speed bag made it feel. like I was getting kicked in the head oh. my God and you know I went home that day. passed out. have no recollection of anything got up. the next day to run couldn't run. I mean two so finally two days of this. and I told sheepishly told my parents. I'm like I think something's wrong. you know so we you know we go to the. hospital I get a CT scan they're like.

yeah you've got you know contusions on. your brain. um and they were like. wait a minute. you're an engineering student like what. the hell are you doing yeah and I was. like dude I've been doing this for like. 10 years I know what I'm doing they're. like you're an idiot yeah I know quite a. few students who were in college who. were also actively sparring an MMA and. I'd watch them get after it and I knew. that you know they relied on their brain. and this was just for fun I was like God.

it's such a risky Endeavor it's so. dangerous because you're going to get. hit it's not like anything like even in. skiing like falling down and hitting. your head like that is kind of rare like. it only happened to me once or all the. years years that I was King but getting. hit in the head happens every time you. Spar unless you're like so exceptional. and Willie Pap your [ __ ] Pernell. Whitaker out there you know Wilfred. Benitez you know it's interesting I was. watching well even wolfer Benitez got. stopped you know I was watching Willie. Pep there was a documentary or a YouTube.

video rather on Willie Pep and uh he. actually was fine and Lucid uh as he was. older which is really interesting. like that guy had more than 200 fights I. know isn't it amazing like how much. those guys fought back oh my God but you. look at Like Sugar Ray Robinson when he. was older it was so sad. it was such a shame Henry Armstrong was. okay at the end of his life wasn't he. was he I think so that guy was amazing. George Foreman seems fine yeah it's.

crazy you know it was you know of all. those Old-Timers if I could go back and. meet any of them I'd like to have met. Dempsey really yeah I bet it was like. you meeting a wolf yeah I bet he was. like a wolf. he just seemed so Savage like I when I. was young I was obsessed with the. historical boxing like I would sort of. track down the old VHS of like Jack. Johnson Jack Dempsey Joe Lewis all that. stuff I had. not all of their fights but quite a few. of their fights on on you know crappy. old black and white VHS but like Dempsey.

was in a different world like when you. think about how much he changed the. sport when he fought Jess Willard that. was an overnight change in boxing that. never went back because remember prior. to that very different style right you. look at Jack Johnson it was like they. never threw combinations right it was. like one punch one punch well they also. fought like a hundred round yeah exactly. which is crazy they had to like preserve. their yeah it was it was easily a 45. round fight. they're fighting in like Cuba in the.

summer God did you ever see the video. when Jack Johnson fought for the title. where they converted I think it was Reno. they they converted the town just to. have that event there and all the guys. with their hats on yeah so men used to. wear those white yeah it was really it's. really weird to watch those old videos. and he was he was unbelievable oh my God. again he again like. Jack Johnson was a total Step Up in size.

and strength yeah and then Dempsey not. that big but just ferocious yeah Dempsey. only weighs like 190 pounds I know so he. was like six foot one Rocky Marciano. Rocky was probably five nine yeah yeah. five nine five ten he weighed 185 pounds. yeah. and just flatlining people as a. heavyweight which is crazy now it's. different heavyweight right like yeah I. mean it's it's people are different then. they didn't have food. I mean Jack Johnson who was they called.

him the Galveston giant he was ticks too. yeah he was huge I mean but back then. that was a big deal look at him yeah. look at all those folks with the hats on. that's what drives I mean that's so. weird that that style was so it was so. prevalent it was everywhere that wearing. that hat that stupid [ __ ] hat it's. night daytime too though maybe they. needed it because they didn't have. sunglasses oh yeah right probably maybe. yeah I definitely think that played a.

part but they also had one of those hats. it's so interesting to think like you. know when you think about what the world. was like in terms of how racist it was. oh my God and how much The Establishment. hated Jack Johnson and and you know as. you know I mean basically after he. finally lost they were like okay that's. it no more black heavyweights and even. when we get to fight it looked a lot. like he threw that fight I know if you. notice his hand up there shading himself. from the Sun yeah yeah you never know. they might have been threatening him.

right exactly they were probably they're. there that was it there at the bottom I. saw that picture. um. yep that one yeah yeah so that's Jess. Willard standing over him and he kind of. looked like he was like yeah I mean yeah. yeah it's it's very likely in a lot of. people's eyes that he threw that fight. I mean you know when you get to a. certain point in time you're just tired. of fighting off all these [ __ ] white. racists. and maybe just take the money and lay. down and just just fade off in the.

distance you just want it to end you. know I mean the guy was persecuted his. entire life I mean the level of hate. that he experienced we will probably. never be able to understand it because. you know you're really only a few. decades removed from the Civil War and. this guy's the heavyweight champion of. the world the first ever black. heavyweight champion and also and how. big was boxing at the time like the. significance of being heavyweight. champion in the world it was everything. and he looks unbeatable that was the. other thing it wasn't just that he was. the first black heavyweight champion he.

was the first black heavyweight champion. but he he was like Mike Tyson in his. prime yeah it's like a whole new level. of heavyweight. and of course you know I mean we could. debate that forever and ever is Ali or. Lewis who is the best heavyweight of all. time. um. but I think for I mean I don't know I I. I'm always I always have such sadness. over the fact that we never got to see. Ali fight from 67 to 71. yeah it's true. that those three years where he.

protested the Vietnam War in many ways. that cemented Ali's Legacy because he. was such a cultural icon that he was. like you know what [ __ ] you I'm not. going to Vietnam you guys are out of. your [ __ ] minds on no Viet Cong ever. said anything bad to me I'm not going to. Vietnam and killing people [ __ ] you and. they just removed him from boxing they. wouldn't let him box for years and by. the time he boxed again people were so. happy to see him again because they knew. he was right they knew that war was.

[ __ ] they knew it was wrong and he. he became who he was the last when he. fought Cleveland Big Cat Williams I was. just about to say that is the greatest. display of in any division any weight at. any time just watch Ali versus Williams. November 1966. you can find that full. fight on YouTube it's a pretty decent. resolution we've played it multiple. times on this podcast it is I'll tell. you a funny story so I have I used to.

have in my old office in San Diego a big. art print on the wall of that fight so. of the knockout punch so one day it was. a Friday afternoon one of my analysts. was in my office and we were you know. he's at the time he's probably like 25. years old right and we're doing. something blah blah blah blah and I. don't know what made me think this but I. looked up at the picture and I was like. hey do you know who that is who you know. and he's like. uh is that Muhammad Ali and I was like.

yeah that's Muhammad Ali like isn't it. interesting that you wouldn't. immediately recognize that and I. explained the significance and I said. that's him knocking out this guy named. Cleveland Williams and this is the whole. story of Cleveland Williams and I said. let's pull up the fight and we watch the. fight you know it's a three-round fight. the next day Ali died wow. so I text I emailed him the next morning. because I found out that morning I was. like hey Dan just so you know Muhammad. Ali died last night how weird is that. that is where it went he was a. cautionary tale right because the amount. of punishment that he endured late in. his life and to see him with Parkinson's.

when and you know I remember having this. argument with someone who said no no. he's got Parkinson's he has nothing to. do with boxing shut the [ __ ] up shut the. [ __ ] up you don't know what you're why. how what are you examining him like why. are you saying you just don't want it to. have anything to do with it you watch. his fight with Larry Holmes tell me tell. me you don't think that he endured brain. damage in that fight watch watch this. fight with uh who who else well so so. basically everything Trevor yeah Trevor. burbik.

um even Leon Spinks yeah uh and. certainly homes I mean he never should. have fought after his he should have. retired after Foreman. um yeah because the beatings he took. thereafter and in fact going into the. Holmes fight I mean his doctor by that. point Ferdie Pacheco had left he. couldn't stand it anymore so fruity. Pacheco was no longer his doctor oh. really no no he was like this is so. unethical I cannot be involved what you. guys are doing to this man is inhumane. and of course you know what was what was.

his manager's name at this point Herbert. Muhammad. um remember the son of Elijah Muhammad. was still his manager and they had. pumped him so full of T4 levothyroxine. thyroid medication to speed up his. metabolism like he went into that fight. basically with exophthalmos I mean his. eyes were like basically bulging out of. his head he was so hyperthyroid in that. fight like they could have killed him. right like they could have just killed. him because he would have had an. arrhythmia do that was he overweight. why'd they do that with T4 they just had. this belief that oh he he needs more.

thyroid hormone to yeah speed up his. metabolism and of course he's always. going into Camp overweight at this point. yeah and needs more energy right so the. thinking is well more thyroid hormone. will make him uh you know make him have. more energy but I mean I I remember. reading one of the biographies of Ali I. think it was. might have been Thomas Hauser's. biography where he goes into pretty good. detail on the state of his medical care. at the end of his career and just how. horrible it was.

as the story as old as time. the fighter that keeps hanging on. that's the other thing I kind of respect. about Hagler as much as I just hated the. fact that he retired. and didn't you know come back and smoke. Leonard. he just said that's it I'm done yeah but. that's also what fueled the conspiracy. theorist in me because he went to Italy. because I'm like hold the [ __ ] on so his. managers and his trainers were the. petronelli brothers that's right goody. and Pat yeah they're boxing trainers who.

are [ __ ] Italian and [ __ ] the odds of. them knowing someone in the mob are. quite High okay and then you have this. fight with Leonard where man even to me. watching it because I watched it um that. was back when they had closed circuit. yeah so for people who don't know what. that means you would go to the movie. theater or you would go to uh you know. any kind of a theater that would have a. large screen and you would pay money to. go watch the fight in an audience and so. I actually watched quite a few fights.

like I watched Tyson Spinks like that oh. wow how good how good a use of money was. that wow yeah. whatever it was. um but watching that live I was like I. feel like he's like not trying to hurt. him it was weird it was like these the. punches didn't seem the same it's almost. seemed like he was like taking something. off the punches. the first four rounds I didn't. understand where he why he was being. tentative.

well I mean because he woke up in round. five yeah in a 12 round fight it's hard. you know he's I like I said I still. believe he won yeah I believe he won. seven rounds but I was shocked that the. decision after is over but I remember. going home thinking God just seemed like. well he didn't have any pop on his. punches which for hackers crazy because. hagger was a [ __ ] murderous puncher. it just seemed like he didn't didn't try. to hurt him it seems crazy but then the. decision comes and then Hagler just.

disappeared and went to Italy and became. a movie star and I was like oh well what. a great deal I mean how else does he. become a [ __ ] movie star in Italy he. goes into Italy does the worst movies. you've ever seen in your life you ever. watched those movies yeah here's some of. them. they were so dumb these movies were so. dumb like look at this. laughs. and never fought again but never fought.

again I mean just uh he he did these. cornball movies and you know was like. the Jean-Claude Van Damme of Italy they. were horrible movies. I mean I don't even know if you ever. learn Italian he just went over there. had a good [ __ ] time look at these. like throwing punches of people are. flying through the air these are so bad. you got to remember like Italy that was. where they look he punched right to his. chest. Italy was where um they did all those uh.

he was so handsome oh my God that's so. handsome and you know really never never. was compromised from his fighting career. it's incredible. yeah yeah it breaks my heart that yeah I. was hospitalized after he got vaccinated. Tommy Hearns put it on his Instagram. that he was in in the hospital because. of a side effect of the vaccine. it's one of those things that's like not. really talked about because no one's no. one's sure if it's that is that what. happened I remember the day he died. seeing that yeah and then actually it.

was just sort of weird like a couple. months ago I was just thinking about it. again I went to his wiki page no mention. of it well that's pretty obvious what's. going on there you know this the amount. of people that had have had issues with. the vaccine versus the amount of people. reported. like I don't know what the real numbers. are I don't think anybody does because. there's a lot of reluctance to talk. about it it's very interesting you know. I've had friends that have vaccine.

injuries that went to the doctor and the. doctors didn't want to report them in. the Bears. it's the whole thing is very weird but. Tommy Hearns wrote on his Instagram was. I think believe it was his Instagram. that to pray for Marvin because they're. still friends even after. that Marvin was in the hospital because. of a side effect of the vax again I. don't know if that's true I don't know. if Tommy was wrong you know I don't know. if he was incorrect yeah but something. happened and he died. yeah. I would have loved to met him.

but what a great way to end a career. just go that's it done see you. so many guys just hang out too long you. know there's so many guys that just get. battered did you watch the benavidez. plant fight this weekend I I have. stopped watching boxing altogether I. don't know anything about the sport Joe. to be honest with you it's really weird. for someone who. was so obsessed with the sport growing. up basically around 2000 I just stopped.

really yeah how come. I mean I think part of it is being in. residency I just didn't have the time. like basically all the things I loved. like I didn't watch Formula One you know. I kind of stopped watching Formula One. at that time no I think by 97 was the. last year I watched F1 until I got back. into it again like a decade later uh. stopped watching boxing didn't watch a. single Super Bowl let alone a single. football game. um yeah I just went completely off the. grid for a decade I guess that makes. sense though you kind of have to just to. focus you don't have the time for that.

kind of recreation well I mean I used. all my Rec time to train I mean it was. sort of like I was gonna sort of. swimming was the thing I was doing so. that that takes up so much time do you. still watch UFC I never have never have. watched the UFC I mean I would love to. go with you you've extended me the. invitation many times I I will go at. some point. um you should go to Miami next weekend. well I can't I'm going to see Taylor. Swift. the UFC ever.

but it's so funny that you're a Swifty. you've become a Swift I'm. enjoying embracing and supporting my. daughter's obsession with Taylor Swift. we're gonna see two shows actually we're. gonna we're going to Houston and. Arlington oh my goodness well because we. got lucky right like you get lucky no no. for me stop it. oh what would you rather do let me ask. you this. oh I'd probably rather go see Taylor. Swift really yeah interesting I think.

it's going to be an unbelievable show I. mean I'm sure it is well what did what. did your girl say well they loved it you. wouldn't go. if I had to I'd go it's not that I don't. think Taylor Swift is a talented artist. she's very talented I like some of her. songs. it's not my thing though would you have. Taylor on the podcast would that be fair. sure she's brilliant yeah and she's also. an amazing songwriter I love her. dedication and the fact that like I mean. she's at the top of the Heap anybody.

that's at the top and she's so talented. like she's. she blows my mind actually like five. years ago when my daughter was into her. I was like yeah whatever like it didn't. but if you I mean not to get too down. the rabbit hole but if you look at the. progression of her music and how it's. grown up with her you know you think. about what like what she was doing in. you know Circa 2008 2007 right versus. what she's doing today and and the. lyrics I mean I'm super impressed and uh. and also just like her commitment to her. fans is pretty amazing well my wife and.

my daughter went to see her at the giant. Raiders stadium in Vegas and she sent me. a video of like what the place looks. like I'm like oh my God. Chappelle and I have talked about doing. a gig there. it's wild doing a gig in front of 60. 000. have you done like well the. comedians play huge things like Wembley. and stuff like that the biggest place. Dave and I have done is 25 000 we did uh. we sold out the Tacoma Dome. um in Tacoma that was we broke the.

attendance record for the Tacoma Dome. and that was like 25 000 something. people that's nuts this is It's why. hearing laughs from 25 000 people is so. surreal it's so surreal. like I remember one time in the middle. of one of my bits you know I hit a punch. line everybody's laughing and I just. start laughing I'm like this is so crazy. because the laughs are so loud it's so. you're looking around and we're in the. round too right so it's just like this. circle and we're moving around and at.

the end Dave and I go up and we do this. uh q a thing where we just [ __ ] around. he loves to do that after shows I like. to do it too it's very fun where but you. know so he I go up I do like 45 minutes. he goes up he does like an hour and and. also Donnell wrongs was on this show. um. Ian Edwards was on the show we we had is. a long ass show and then we go up. afterwards and we're just standing.

talking to people and uh I was like. there is not enough Security in the. world for this to be safe this is so. wild that there's all these people here. and we're you know people are yelling. [ __ ] out and Dave is riffing on things. and. it's just so many people. so to have that times. like two and a half yeah that's crazy. do you remember when MTV or I don't know. if it was MTV they used to do the where. are they now things yeah of musicians.

and it was always the same story right. so it was always the same story which is. uh started out with nothing became. really famous too much drugs you know. everything went to hell in a hand basket. trying to make it back like there was. the same story you just you just plugged. in a different musician every time but I. remember my roommate and I in college or. whatever we'd watch some of this and. we'd be like. like imagine this was like a Metallica. concert like and you're like look at. Metallica in its Heyday yeah like. there's 90 000 people out there oh yeah.

screaming in unison as you're singing. It's like we were like I couldn't fathom. what that's like well be real was on the. show and when he talked about Cypress. Hill playing was it Woodstock Woodstock. half a million. and he played a video for us where he. showed them on stage saying an insane in. the menu you even see the limit of. people can you see where it is you kind. of can but it's like looking over a. large lake wow it was so nuts half a.

million people and they're on stage. yeah it's crazy. yeah those kind of numbers are nuts man. I mean it's like it's just a spectacle. of it all it's like you know when they. have uh ACL here and you go to some of. the bigger shows here it's like part of. what you're going to is the spectacle of. it all yeah look at that. [Laughter]. 1994. look how crazy that is.

I mean that is when you see them on. stage and you see a shot from behind. them so you get to see them and like. facing the crowd it is so big. I mean there's not enough Security in. the world to protect you if they just. all just rush the stage. I see all this year seeing the chili. peppers from behind Sage was amazing. yeah it was fun yeah first time I've. ever seen them in concert oh really yep. I mean I've been a fan forever I've.

never been to a con I've never seen them. in cons I mean Rick's has given us you. know yeah. yeah they're cool man there's that's. it's fun to watch you know and and. dancing around like that like he's 60. years old he's got a [ __ ] up knee. afterwards he's icing his knee and. draining and his ankle too. I mean they're they dance around so much. there's so much going on like so many of. those guys you don't think of them as. athletes but as they get older like all.

those years of repetitive stress like. Maynard from Tool he had to get a hip. replacement yeah because of stomping on. the ground like while he's on stage. that's what did his his hip in I mean. did you see flee still does a flip oh. yeah I mean wild you're six years I know. no he looks great he looks great I mean. I don't know what he's doing he should. be writing a longevity book he does look. great I mean he's obviously he's lean.

he's taking care of himself he obviously. exercises but his knee is pretty [ __ ]. up so I had a conversation with him. about stem cells and all the different. things that I've done to sort of. mitigate some of the knee problems that. I've had but his his nose are pretty bad. looks pretty bad but the dudes out there. just [ __ ] jumping around and dancing. around and. so many people wound up getting [ __ ]. up to Stephen Tyler had to get knee. replacements. you know um Ted Nugent got knee. Replacements he told me he was jumping.

off amplifiers and destroyed his. meniscus. yeah I mean those you don't think of. those guys as athletes but they're doing. so many shows and they're on the road so. many days a year stomping on the ground. and jumping around and all that energy. you know it's like. your body doesn't like it. so many guys I know from Jiu Jitsu I. just was having a conversation with a. friend of mine last night about it who. needs two shoulder Replacements like. Jesus Christ it's like it's like these. hidden epidemic of injuries that you.

don't realize is the shoulder the most. susceptible the back is the back and. knees shoulder too though I don't think. there's any one that's more susceptible. but those are the ones that blow out. it's kind of like everything that can go. goes because you think about what Jiu. Jitsu is it's like it's martial art. where you're trying to break people's. joints you know you're trying to destroy. people's joints or strangle them. unconscious so like the joints all get. ripped to [ __ ] like everybody's. shoulders are [ __ ] everybody's elbows. are [ __ ] everybody's knees are [ __ ].

um their necks you're always like. fighting off chokes and if you don't. exercise your neck you know your neck. becomes very vulnerable. so many people have bulging discs in. their back lower back in particular neck. and lower back is cervical and Lumbar. those are the two ones the the major. areas you know occasionally thoracic but. there's a lot of disc issues in Jiu. Jitsu and a lot of guys are turning to. stem cells now and doing stuff in. Colombia and Tijuana where they can just.

[ __ ] experiment on you just [ __ ]. Jam them in there. but um shoulders are a big one and a lot. of times guys don't want to stop. training so they they train injured you. know and then they wind up destroying it. even more and then and then it can't be. repaired and they need a replacement. so you have some mechanical shoulder. this is. I you know the good thing is shoulder. Replacements have come a hell of a long. way yeah they're they're you you can. function pretty well post shoulder.

replacement now in a way that you could. politically like you could do Jiu Jitsu. again no that's you know that's a good. point I don't know that you could do. that. I bet you could still do archery though. yeah I bet Michael Bisping from the UFC. the UFC former UFC middleweight champion. he got uh both of his knees replaced. post-fighting 40 years old. it's like his knees destroyed just. destroyed from seashack got a hip. replacement oh no did he really a week. ago and his him walking going back to.

the gym God the biggest hip of all time. oh my God imagine like designing that. guy's hip. they probably they probably had to make. a new kind of hip it's like a completely. different size. right yeah I mean speaking of hip. replacements you know the one that. always bums me out is that Bo Jackson OH. had to you know ends up getting a. vascular like you know that that I I. don't end up getting what he ended up. getting a vascular necrosis when he for. like so when his hip dislocated it tore.

the blood supply to the um to the. femoral neck and the acetabulum and. um I mean he ended up getting a hip. replacement but. it's like if they had seen if they had. the problem is I think he was too tough. right like because they didn't do an MRI. on his hip for months after that injury. which is kind of crazy when you think. about how the NFL would work today right. right if your star running back is. complaining of hip pain after a game and. has to miss the game like after that. tackle he was out of the game like they.

could have done an MRI and a CT scan. that day I think they could have. salvaged his hip like that's that's like. one of those athletes where I just think. like Wii U got really deprived what. would they do with the hip I think today. you could you could actually go and. repair it you could you could put an. xfix on him and um what's an X fix. external fixator on his hip and what is. that. um it's just like a way to actually fix. the bone externally so you you put like. screws into the ephemeral neck right. away out of the gate. um as opposed to kind of letting it.

bleed off and lose its blood supply. um I talked to an orthopedic surgeon. about this like a little while ago who's. a hip guy and I said like if if Bo. Jackson had that injury today How likely. is it that he would have had a hip. replacement he was like if they had. scanned him right away. um they probably could have salvaged. that hip. that's a dude I would love to meet he's. so obsessed with archery you know he. can't pull a bow back anymore no I. didn't know that yeah he uses a crossbow. now oh man yeah his shoulders are [ __ ].

again it's just. I mean that [ __ ] sport you want to. talk about sport that's hard on you. getting tackled by 300 plus pound super. athletes. I mean the the the the size of football. I had Derek wolf in here a couple weeks. ago how much does he weigh 300. he's a literal Viking like he should be. at the front of a boat.

blowing a [ __ ] conch shell letting. everybody know he's gonna start raping. and murdering. what's amazing too is at 300 pounds they. can run faster than most 150 pound. people like their speed is insane well. the muscle I mean it's just there's. different kinds of people out there you. know it's just the world's not fair. you don't think we're all equal. not in that way no no no I think we're. all we're all equal in the eyes of the.

Lord. I agree. but equality does not exist physically. which is just you know just a fact. that's why we have weight classes that's. why we should. have the difference between females and. males competing against each other which. is why I get you know this trans athlete. thing [ __ ] blows my mind how many. people go along with this it just blows.

didn't they ruling just come down on. powerlifting uh sorry on weightlifting. um that that you you cannot compete in. um. you like if a male transitions to a. female he can't compete as a female well. that if the transition occurred after. puberty yes that certainly should be the. case it certainly should be the case I. think there is some ruling that just. came down like that but swimming I mean. that Leah Thomas is still the number one. swimmer in the world and it's a. biological male yeah period end of.

discussion. it's Madness and not only that it hasn't. even gotten penis removed it has sex. with women apparently which is just just. the whole thing is so crazy that you can. call yourself a woman and then you're a. woman and like this has nothing to do. with trans rights it just has to do with. humans like with there's a reason why we. make a distinction why men are not. allowed to compete in the women's. division but if you could just decide. you're a woman and you compete in the. women's division and no one's even. allowed to regulate like what that means. and if you have any you.

any problem with that you're transphobic. like has nothing to do with transphobia. we're talking about fairness in sports. it's crazy it is absolutely crazy that. this is still going on and that you know. here goes similar ruling in uh swimming. also ah they vote to restrict. transgender women from Elite swimming. what is the f-i-n-a fina's the ruling. body of swimming okay so is so they. voted just Sunday but that says uh June. 19th okay Leah Thomas is wicked but.

that's the problem is that she's doing. it through uh nc2 yeah it's a different. thing what is it yeah nc2a she wanted to. go although didn't she graduate yeah. she's done with that so she want to go. to Olympics yeah just basically saying. she can't compete yeah well you know. it's just what they've done to those. other girls that are competing against. her is just a [ __ ] crime it's. horrible imagine if you're a biological. woman you are working your ass off you. are fully dedicated to being the best of. the best you're dotting all your eyes.

and Crossing all your t's you are. watching your diet you're watching your. recovery you are [ __ ] trying and this. person who just decides they're a woman. with testosterone flowing through their. body for their entire life. just dominates you. know it's [ __ ] maddening and it's. [ __ ] maddening that we have gotten. into this ideological battle this this. this cultural End of the Road. ideological battle where we're allowing.

that and where people will step up in. virtue signal and defend this that it. like is as if it has anything to do with. being compassionate and considerate and. and trans rights or LBGTQ plus a i. whatever the [ __ ] it is writes it's. nonsense it's we are a society that. needs a real problem and we are fixating. on these [ __ ] very strange issues and. deciding that we're going to correct all.

the inequities and inequality in the. world by allowing these people to. express their truth and you're. encouraging mental illness you're. encouraging virtue signaling you're. encouraging Mass ideology. this uh ideological capture of an entire. culture where people know things aren't. true you know it's not right you know. it's not accurate you know it's not. scientifically true and yet people have. to espouse these certain certain things. because if they don't they'll be labeled.

transphobic I mean it's a [ __ ] wild. and I never thought it was going to. happen I think the worst example is when. male prisoners can somehow weasel their. way into women's prisons there's a [ __ ]. ton of them in California yeah no that's. California like there's more than 40 of. them that have made their way into. prisons and there's hundreds of them. that are under review right now it's. crazy get they go to prison and get. women pregnant so that not only are they. saying that they're females but they.

don't have to do anything other than say. they're females they don't have to take. estrogen they don't have to get their. balls cut off they don't have to do. anything they don't have to do anything. because I'm a female oh well we don't. want to [ __ ] with you we definitely want. you to go to the place where you're. you're you're allowed to live your truth. Peter I mean Patricia get in there get. in there start [ __ ]. it's crazy and one of them was a guy who. is a [ __ ] murderer you know the thing.

about. um these uh these people that identify. as females like they did this um study. on inmates that identify as female and. want to be moved over to female prisons. there was a large number of them there. were sex offenders yeah that's it's wild. so sex offenders and I mean how many of. them have. [ __ ] fake names how many of them are. in prison for fraud how many of them. have a fake Rolex and meanwhile but.

they're a real woman can't question that. criminal aliases that's besides gender. is everything gender gender gender it's. just like the [ __ ] trump card of the. world is gender it's just like what is. happening what is going on it's it's. such a weird time. yeah no it's uh. it's it's a it's. it's a it's a it's an interesting time. to be raising kids too and you see what. they come home.

kind of hearing I mean I feel pretty. fortunate where we are that yeah it's a. little different in Texas but not. totally different. you know my daughter was going to school. with this one girl who would get angry. if you did not call her they or them. and uh. she wore makeup and you know she looked. like a girl but if you said her it's. like okay you're playing games here like. this is a game yeah it's like and even. if a person says look I'm gonna do my. best to remember this if it really makes. you feel better but you can't override.

like your entire lifetime of regular. pronouns and remember that you're they. not a she also you're a biological. female and you're wearing makeup in a. dress so this is all nonsense so we're. playing a stupid pronoun game you know. who would have ever thought if I came to. you 20 years ago and dude in 20 years. pronoun is going to be a real issue. you'd be like what the [ __ ] is wrong. with you that doesn't even make any. sense I can safely say I would say I'm. gonna take the under on that one throw. down that's gonna be the problem I.

remember when Fallon Fox first started. fighting women in MMA and then it turned. out that for the first two fights. she was saying that uh she was a bylaw. well she wasn't telling them that she. was biologically male she just said that. that wasn't important that you you or. you shouldn't have access to her medical. information this is a medical. issue there's no no one's business but. hers and I was like that is a straight. [ __ ] like that is so crazy and the.

pushback I got in that I was like whoa. what is going on and this was like 2015. 2016 something like that I never would. have imagined we would get to the point. where this was like a public issue. throughout the entire world. and that you're dealing with uh trans. athletes wanting to compete in and then. dominating female sports breaking. records I mean someone someone quoted. the like there was there's these two uh.

trans athletes that were competing as. females in Connecticut and they were. saying that if you looked at their times. like that they their their times like. if you take like an elite female Runner. like. um who's that woman's name Jackie Joyner. Jackie Joyner Kersey yes it was like one. of the elite of the elite female Runners. High School boys beat her time all the. time.

that's wild yeah that is [ __ ] wild so. imagine if you're a girl and you're the. same is true in soccer right like yeah a. good high school soccer team would crush. the women's the U.S women's team have. you seen that Australian uh biological. male who competes in rugby. no 240 pounds just a giant dude. competing with women yeah giant dude. with lipstick on just running women over. what's happening all over the world and. it's I'm just I mean at some point there. has to be a lawsuit when one of these.

women gets hurt well there should be. lawsuits that they're getting denied. their ability to compete in a fair field. that they're on a Level Playing Field. it's not fair it's not fair and then. people make this stupid argument like oh. well you know there are differences in. the spectrum of athletic ability in. females yeah there is but the difference. between this the highest end of the. spectrum of athletic ability in females. and the lowest end of the spectrum of. professional athletes and males is. [ __ ] enormous it's a [ __ ] a Grand.

Canyon size Gap. it's like these dorks that have never. competed in anything before those are. the ones that are in proponents of this. because they think of it as like social. justice and social change and like you. don't even know what the [ __ ] you're. asking for you're you're literally. asking for. people to cheat because that's what. they're doing they're cheating yeah. they're sandbagging they're sandbagging.

like do we get sandbagging all the time. in martial arts you'd get someone who. entered into the white belt Division and. you're like that guy is not a [ __ ]. white belt like because people like to. win they just want to win it's all the. time you know in pool you know what. people would do in pool. Not only would they because there's like. these rating systems so there's certain. people that are such pieces of [ __ ] they. will enter into tournaments and lose. over and over and over and over again on. purpose and play like [ __ ] on purpose so. that their rating is really low and then.

they could enter into a tournament and. then they get a handicap against someone. who's a player of their caliber so in. certain leagues like say if you and I. were playing in a league there's a bunch. of different ones now I'm not sure how. the Fargo rating goes but there's a. there's other leagues that like I used. to play in a league back in the day and. say if I was better than you because my. number is higher than you I would have. to either give you games on the wire or. like say like uh if we're both going to. like a race to seven I would have to go.

to seven but you would have to go to. five or you know something along those. lines and some places you actually have. to give a spot but so people would lose. on purpose just so they can get that and. so they can maybe win a tournament just. because they want to win. people are gross they like to cheat and. the idea that that isn't factored into. this at all the possibility that people. just want to win and want a sandbag and. then also no one's factoring the. psychological reality of people getting.

extraordinary attention for doing this. for transitioning and then for competing. and being so brave and yeah they get. hate oh and but people love to. concentrate only on the hate they get a. lot of love they got a lot of love from. a lot of [ __ ] insane liberals out. there who are literally out of their. mind and don't understand Sports and. don't understand competition and are. just saying things because Twitter said. it. didn't the swimmer at Penn get like.

athlete of the year or something. wasn't I I could have sworn she was like. female athlete of the year at Penn or. something like that well didn't the. blind Administration give like woman of. the year to some person who's a. biological male like it. well we're living in a weird time man. because there's things that people do. today that they're not doing it because. it makes sense they're doing it because. they know it'll get attention they knew. they're doing it because they know that. a certain very rabid very vocal very.

aggressive group of people will support. it. it's very strange but it's also. psychologically when you look at it like. oh this makes perfect sense I see why. they would do that you know and you see. the people that are doing it like. I just love it when it falls apart like. um that [ __ ] wacky person who's. non-binary who's working for the White. House who's stealing women's clothes do. you know about that person no you know. another person no Sam Brinton was uh in.

charge of uh was it nuclear waste. disposal something for the Department of. energy. and this person who has a shaved head. and a [ __ ] goatee and a beard also. wears makeup and women's dresses and was. stealing women's luggage multiple times. from airports so it would go to the. airport and then would grab somebody. else's bag take it and take their. clothes out and just start wearing it. and uh got caught doing this and so oh I. didn't know but meanwhile I'd taken the.

clothes out of this the luggage and left. it in the hotel room and then they got. him on camera stealing luggage from. another airport and then like how's that. we think there's a [ __ ] pattern here. and then there was a woman who was a. designer from Houston that saw him. wearing her dresses at an event and. she's a designer who's very specific. one-of-a-kind clothes and there's photos. of him wearing those dresses and her. wearing those dresses like. it's like they're just playing this. weird diversity and oppression game it's. very strange.

can you imagine going back to our. earlier discussion about like a hundred. years ago if I mean what the problems. were then right like again I I you know. one of the things I think about is. um. like it's easy to say because I I don't. have any other reference for it that. we're living in the weirdest time but I. don't know if that's true right like I. don't know if political discourse is as. bad today or is worse today than it was. in the past. um I think it's different right but but.

you know subjectively is it worse I'm. curious I want to believe it's not have. you ever had George Friedman on the. podcast no he's actually from Austin I. don't know him but I'd like to meet him. at some point he's an author and he. wrote this book called The Storm Before. the calm. super interesting he lives out here yeah. he lives out here I actually have. reached out to Lawrence Wright who also. lives here to see if he can introduce me. to him. um but but it's a it's a fascinating. book He's Hungarian I believe. um but but you know has lived in the U.S.

for many years and this book what's the. name of the book again the storm Before. the calm and I read it like about six. months ago and was Beyond blown away and. he writes about these macro cycles that. lead to enormous transition in U.S. history because again we're such a young. country right 250 years old or barely. that right and. basically there were two cycles and I. believe one cycle so there's like a. political cycle and a social cycle and. one of them occurs roughly every 50.

years one of them occurs roughly every. 80 years and he goes through each cycle. so what's the what creates the tension. the pressure the break point the rebuild. but what he writes about in this book is. look this is the first time we're coming. up to both Cycles happening around the. same time like roughly 2030. and so he's. he's saying like everything that we're. going through right now politically and. socially. and economically is. actually pretty predictable and here's. what's interesting he wrote the book I. believe pre-2020 wow so a lot of what he.

said was kind of going to happen is. already happening it's super interesting. and the implications for 2024 2028 in. terms of you know kind of presidential. stuff is is interesting because. obviously a lot of it has to do with. different administrations and things. like that so what is he predicting is. happening so he thinks we're coming to. the end of a cycle where basically the. current political and social structure. has exceeded its utility right so. Politics As We I don't think anybody. would disagree that politics has. basically lost its service right like.

the people aren't benefiting from their. politicians anymore so why is that well. so let's go back to the last cycle so he. said the last cycle was Jimmy Carter. into Ronald Reagan right and so. Carter was the last of that cycle which. was kind of super big government and. then Reagan ushered in you know. obviously small government but also lots. of men military spending and you know. what he says is actually I'm trying to. think I don't think he actually predicts.

exactly what's going to happen in the. next cycle but what he says is. um all of the kind of discourse that. we're seeing now where basically there's. nothing that's really bipartisan anymore. um that's going to lead to kind of a. breakdown of the system where. um I'm trying to think how he describes. it much more eloquently than I can. the gist of it is. the he says that the next president to. be elected will be kind of the last of. the cycle so whoever's elected in 2024. he thinks is kind of the last of the.

current system we have and we will again. it's hard for me to imagine this is true. but what he's basically saying is. it will no longer be kind of the Elite. Class running the country. because you know that's obviously what. we do right now right we have a pretty. Elite Class that runs the country. um how is that possible again I can't. fathom how it's possible but how would. it be possible though that they would. relinquish their grasp on power and. control because it seems like everything.

they're doing is indicating that they're. moving towards greater and greater. control and and more and more. they're taking advantage more and more. of the situation to reap Financial. benefits you know when you look at um. just the [ __ ] insider trading that. they're allowed to do and no one's. stopping just that it's just. unbelievable that there's not more. pushback against that like there's jokes. about uh you know Nancy Pelosi and what. a great stock Trader she is but if you. just look at the entire list of.

Republicans and Democrats that are. involved in stock trading that do way. better than some of the very best. traders in the world like it's really. clear that this is a [ __ ] money grab. and that it's dirty and it's and no. one's stopping it no one's voting to. stop there's no one who's speaking out. and the problem is the people that would. be involved in putting forth legislation. to make this illegal or benefiting from. it being legal like they would never do.

that and their constituents aren't fired. up about it it seems to be I mean I. guess that's part of the issue right I. think that's part of the question is. like how much longer does that continue. yeah where where the voting class sort. of says like ah yeah enough's enough. like we're going to put people in who. are going to kind of change things. what's also you know we're in a very. weird place right now with the with the. media. because the media has lost its hold over. the narrative that used to be that the. media was the primary place that people.

would go to find out what's going on in. the world but now the media conveniently. leaves out anything that it doesn't want. to be at the front and center in in. terms of like things that people. concentrate on and talk about like one. of the greatest examples that's. happening right now is this massive. protest in France massive protest in. France nine million people on the street. literally about the social security. change yes.

macron in France takes his [ __ ]. eighty thousand dollar watch off under. the table while he's talking to people. about tightening up and about how you. know about how you know this has to be. done like it's the guy's wearing a. [ __ ] we'll find out what watch he was. wearing because you're a watch head like. this but the fact that this dork thought. it was a good move to take his [ __ ]. watch off under the table and then. there's the the protest in Israel.

enormous protests in Israel millions of. people on the streets and you're not. hearing a [ __ ] peep about it you know. all it is is like January 6th January. 6th did you see what they did January. Trump is coming back but January 6 looms. large how about the fact that the guy. who's the president right now can't form. a [ __ ] sentence he makes up words and. stumbles through things no one says a. goddamn thing about it.

what watch was he wearing. uh France France said that this is the. cost of the watch is fake news. I'm trying to buy it used. so it's not 80 000. if you're buying it. yes it's gonna cost more sometimes right. depends on the watch right yeah most of. the time now. yeah isn't that weird people like uh. used watches. well I think it's just that the watch. the you know the big you know the big. four right yeah so what is that I don't.

know if you can tell beautiful watch I. mean it's hard to tell very thin. it's a very thin watch. removes luxury watch during interview so. does it say what kind of watch some. wrongly claimed it was worth up to 80. 000 pounds or eighty six thousand. dollars. but uh Elise Palace said this was not. correct what's the [ __ ] watch tell me. what the watch is you criminals so he. took the watch off. he he took the watch off during his.

interview about his con the. controversial pension changes that is. [ __ ] hilarious what a douchebag there. you go oh here it is oh it's a bell and. Ross yeah it's no way it's that much. that's not my much which is personalized. with a coat of arms okay. um let's do that let's um Bell and Ross. brv192 I don't think that's like that's. like a ten thousand dollar watch if I. had to guess well that's all right. that one says foreign.

let me see that image again go back to. that so I'm looking at that and then. scroll that no no right yeah there you. go maybe. that might be the watch but what I'm.

looking at then why don't you take it. off I'm looking at those circles go back. to that image please. I'm looking at the is that maybe. doesn't look like there's uh something. at the bottom of it yeah yeah wouldn't. it be funny if it was a tourbillon. right it was explain tourbillons to. people uh it's a device that basically. allows for completely equal rotation of. the gears of the watch independent of. the angle of the wrist yeah people don't.

understand that a watch like what I'm. wearing an Omega Seamaster uh it's very. accurate but it's more accurate in. certain positions in terms of like how. the the mechanical. winding of the watch works and the. tourbillon doesn't matter where you're. at it's perfect I saw a grand Seiko. tourbillon that was like a quarter of a. million dollars that looks like the same. watch right yeah okay that is probably. the watch so yeah that is a lie then. because that's like a.

that's like a two thousand dollar watch. that looks like the watch doesn't it. yeah it just says yeah that's Bell and. Ross something else right there yeah. that's it that's a bell and Ross yeah. that's it so it's like a two thousand. dollar watch it's a very nice watch but. it's you know it's not an 80 000 watch. I took mine it's still funny that he. took it off you took yours. well you weren't looking I took him I. remember the table what do you wearing a. speed master Speedy yeah that's. hilarious that he did that though like.

why would he do that that's a dumb move. because that's not even that expensive a. watch it's a nice watch but. it draws more attention when you take it. off shows what a [ __ ] is he's like oh I. take this watch off then he decided he. had to take the watch off it's [ __ ]. funny. that's funny but meanwhile you you know. go to CNN are they talking about that go. to CNN and see if CNN is showing the pro. go to the front page of CNN and see if. they're showing front instead of the. massive protests in Paris or the massive.

protests that are in Israel right now. shooting today so they're talking about. that yeah of course they are. yeah. oh that's horrible too. there was some Christian School is there. anything in there about the protests in. Israel or is it all the shoes actually. it said Israel protest right on top live. updates Israel protests what about. France. no yeah mid-violent protest pension.

protest King Charles State visit to. France. postponed amid violent pension protests. yeah. I I'm so much. um happier not paying any attention to. the news. until it bites you in the ass the. problem is like you want to know when. the Dam's gonna break you don't want to. be sick but I have enough friends yeah I. feel like I'll hear about it when it. gets that bad oh God. I think that way sometimes too but I can.

never pull myself to actually not think. about it because of marijuana. because marijuana makes me paranoid when. I get paranoid I start paying attention. to the news I'm like oh my God these. monsters what are they doing they're. gonna [ __ ] ruin us all so you you. prefer to smoke right yeah I eat it too. okay yeah I do all of it and there's one. vehicle give you more paranoia than the. other they seem to all get me. yeah yeah I mean uh I don't think any of.

them make me more paranoid now. is there a dose response though is it do. you have to get past a certain threshold. to feel it yeah I don't feel it with a. little bit. um. the problem is I I like being paranoid I. really enjoy it I enjoy the fear I I. really I really do I know people don't. believe that I really do I like getting. the [ __ ] [ __ ] scared out of me. because the end of it I always learn. something I always like learn like oh I.

didn't even know that was bothering me. or I didn't know that I was really. freaking out about this or it didn't. like I think what what what marijuana. does that a lot of people say makes it. makes me paranoid what it does is makes. you hyper aware of perhaps some things. that you weren't really thinking about. or were avoiding or things that are. maybe in the back of your head that. should probably be in the Forefront some. issues you need to deal with or just. some realities that you need to confront. about the world about life about.

mortality about your loved ones about. you know just the world we live in is. very temporary and you are very. temporary you know I mean yeah a Year's. not that long I mean we were just in the. elk Woods in September and September is. just a few months away now here we are. it's basically April you know I mean May. June July August September it's there. again and then there'll be another year. and then you're dead that's really how. the world works and meanwhile so many. people like it goes back to what we're. talking about at the beginning of this.

conversation. the focus and concentration on things. that are completely important like your. legacy or completely unimportant. unimportant like your legacy like it's. foolish it's nonsense like No One's. Gonna remember you unless you're [ __ ]. Socrates and even then who gives a [ __ ]. well yeah he's not here to remember no I. I got this thing um I don't know God how. many months maybe six months ago not. that long ago uh you've probably seen. these it's your life in weeks have you. seen these calendars no no so it's. really cool so I go to this website and.

I buy I think it's called 4K weeks or. something like that. um so you go in you fill in your date of. birth and basically how old you think. you're gonna live to so I put 88 so I'm. gonna live until I'm 80. again you have. to put it you have to draw a line in the. sand somewhere and then they send you. this calendar with one yeah so I get. this box where. um so it came for me just before my 50th. birthday so it was already filled out to. like you know halfway into my 48 or 49th. year and every week like yeah every.

Sunday I color in a box Jesus Christ so. and then what I also put on it is I. circled in big red the weeks that each. of my kids will go to college. which is as you know like that's pretty. much the end of you getting to live with. your kids yeah which for me is super sad. I mean I I have a whole shift in mindset. around that I'm not quite as sad as I. used to be but. um. but then I realize oh my God like the. time I'm wasting you know I get asked to.

talk a lot and I never want to go you. know people are like oh will you come. and give this talk in you know Aspen and. do this and that and I'm always like no. like I don't want to be away from home. like I don't want to go yeah you know. um and I think that's a big part of it. it's like I I have very I have a tiny. amount of time left to eat every meal. with my kids and see them off to school. and do all that kind of stuff and when. you look at it that way and you realize. like every week you're coloring in one.

of those boxes and by the way that's. best case scenario right like I could. die tomorrow right we have no idea right. um and so everybody who sees it in my. office is like that's the most. depressing thing I've ever seen but I I. don't feel that way actually I was kind. of it took me a couple years to get it. because I was like kind of like oh. that's going to be really depressing but. I'm really glad I did yeah I don't think. it's depressing it's just reality it's. depressing if you only concentrate on oh. my God one day it's gonna be over but if. you just look at the reality of the.

amount of time that you have available. to you the amount of time in life. it's just that's just what it is and. it'll help you prioritize and maybe. it'll help you have. a more balanced perspective which is I. think especially towards people that are. high performing ambitious people that. are successful it's very difficult to. get off that horse like I got offered. something pretty recently that I'm not. interested in and this pitch was they.

were talking to me about money and they. just kept talking to me about the amount. of money and this and that and this I'm. like listening this is not what I'm. that's not my motivation you're not. going to get me with this like I have. zero interest in this product of zero. interest in this thing that you're. trying to promote I'm not I'm doing it. no way and they didn't seem to be able. to understand that I'm like there's not. enough time in this life and I have too. many things that I enjoy doing you're. asking me to do something I don't enjoy.

doing for something that I don't really. need which is money like I don't really. need money like I do whatever what I. need is I need. I need things that I enjoy that's what I. like and I have all these things that. I've already cultivated in my life that. I do enjoy like I'm I'm having fun I. have great friends I have great hobbies. I have great family I have great things. that I like to do that's all I'm doing. like I'm not doing this other thing and.

it was the most bizarre conversation it. was almost like I wanted to say and you. should probably not do it too you should. probably think about your life too like. you guys are kind of my age and you're. talking to me about this stupid idea. like I don't care how much money you. have like this is a stupid idea like are. people gonna buy it maybe I don't know. what are you gonna what the [ __ ] are you. doing I'll tell you what it is. afterwards I can't wait to hear. afterwards you're gonna go oh yeah what. the [ __ ] but it's just life you you can.

get caught up in the momentum of. whatever thing you're pursuing and if. you're pursuing money that's one of the. slipperiest slopes because you can. justify all sorts of things like well. that's not that bad oh a few people are. gonna but but I'm gonna make a lot of. money you know and essentially that's. how pharmaceutical drug companies push. out drugs that wind up having horrible. Adverse Events and that's how they can. you know that they can justify it even.

though some of their Studies have shown. that this is probably going to be an. issue and they still [ __ ] them wrong. they still push it out there I mean. that's what they did with vioxx as they. did with many many drugs. I mean there's no greater example of. that than the opioids though I mean that. was just that's the best unbelievable. it's [ __ ] horrific man the fact that. no one went to jail for the rest of. their life or what they did it's really. horrifying if you think about the things. that people go to jail for and the fact. that that that family the Sackler family.

what they did and what the the lies that. those people who made those drugs told. in terms of their addictive properties. in terms of you know what what they're. going to do to people it's [ __ ]. insane how many people have died I mean. how many people die every year well so I. did this analysis a while ago looking at. what we call deaths of Despair so how. many yes people die every year from The. Big Three so suicide accidental.

poisoning so that's accidental. overdosing and alcohol-related death so. you know drunk driving cirrhosis things. like that. and that number is going up at about 25. a year that's insane by the way just. nothing goes up at 25 per year like not. you know bad things in in health and. Medicine go up at like two to three. percent per year that number's going up. to 25 a year and the overdose part of. that's going up at about 50 per year the.

the suicide and alcohol Parts not going. up quite as fast. um in fact suicide of the three is going. up at the least clip. um so we uh the numbers for 2020 aren't. out yet but they should be out very soon. in fact they might be out now I haven't. looked in a month but it will I suspect. be a little bit over one hundred. thousand. U.S deaths from accidental poisoning so. these are people who are. you know they want it so they're either. taking a drug that they don't even know.

is laced with fentanyl right so they're. taking you know a counterfeit ambien or. a counterfeit you know valium or. something like that or a counterfeit. opioid itself like you know um oxy of. some sort. um you know or people who are just you. know taking a drug but take too much of. it not knowingly or something like that. I mean that's. it's hard it's hard to believe it's hard. to believe that by up up to about the. age of. 55 close soon it'll be 60. this will be. the leading cause of death. especially for men.

why especially for men do men take more. drugs than women yeah men are. disproportionately affected by deaths of. Despair really what do you think that is. you know it's super interesting I don't. know did you hear Sebastian younger on. Barry Weiss's podcast the other day no I. didn't. um it was really good I mean I think. Barry's one of the I think Barry's just. incredible I think she's great I I sent. her an email after and I was like how is. it that in one hour you can get more. interesting information out of a person. than I can get in four like her rant.

with that little Fatso Brian stelter do. you ever see that rant she did about the. world gone mad no it was was this back. when he was so phosphorylated over CNN. not being as popular as Joe Rogan yeah. yeah yeah yeah I don't know how I miss. that because I heard every I mean I. heard everybody's rant on that it was so. good it is so gross but it was uh the. world gone mad and he was like how is. the world how is the Royal Gun Man In. what way and she went on this [ __ ]. amazing rant see if you can find it I.

want to see that it's it's really wild. it's really excellent while he's looking. I want to just come back to this point. though because answer your question so. um. I just was waiting for him to yeah yeah. go ahead okay trillions of Americans who. aren't on the hard left or the hard. right who feel the world has gone mad so. in what ways has the world gone mad. well you know when you have the chief. reporter on the beat of covid for the.

New York Times talking about how. questioning or pursuing the question of. the lab leak is racist the world has. gone mad when you're not able to say out. loud and in public that there are. differences between men and women the. world has gone mad when we're not. allowed to acknowledge that rioting is. rioting and it is bad and that silence. is not violence but violence is violence. the world has gone mad when we're not. able to say that Hunter Biden's laptop. is a story worth pursuing the world has.

gone mad when in the name of progress. young school children as young as. kindergarten are being separated in. public schools because of their race and. that is called progress rather than. segregation the world has gone mad there. are dozens of examples that I could. share with with you and you often say. you say a lot of knows this and you say. we're not allowed able to lose the. people stopping the conversation who are. they.

um people let work at networks frankly. like the one I'm speaking on right now. who try and claim that you know it was. it was racist to investigate the lab. League Theory it was I mean but I'm just. saying that when you say aloud I just. think it's a provocative thing to say. you say you say we're not allowed to. talk about these things but they're all. over the internet I can Google them I. can find them everywhere I've heard. about every story you mentioned so I'm. just suggesting of course people are. allowed to cover whatever they want to. cover but you and I both know and it.

would be delusional to claim otherwise. that touching your finger to an. increasing number of subjects that have. been deemed third rail by the mainstream. institutions and increasingly by some of. the tech companies will lead to. reputational damage perhaps you losing. your job. um your children sometimes being. demonized as well and so what happens is. a kind of internal self-censorship this. is something that I saw over and over. again when I was at the New York Times.

LOL dummy yeah yeah no she's amazing so. anyway she's amazing so so Sebastian was. on there and they were talking about. [Music]. um. men basically have a total absence of. danger in their lives. and he talks about how I'm sure you've. read Freedom which is a book that he. wrote uh uh kind of his last book yeah. yeah I had him on right afterwards I. didn't read that all the way I only read. the first few chapters reading but I. really love tribe yeah tribe verstappa I.

mean these are these are amazing things. and he talks about how basically look we. kind of spent most of our evolutionary. lives with real risk and he argues that. paradoxically that made us happier like. being in being in war even though War. itself is bad the sense of camaraderie. and the dependence that you have on. another person. right like you know again I've never. been in war so I can't speak to it but. just listening to the way others have. spoken about it it's like if you and I.

are in war together I trust you with my. life and vice versa and. he argues that that is so absent today. that a you know you're seeing a lot more. thrill-seeking behavior that is just. basically engineered risk. um and there's just a a lower sense of. purpose and I think he argues that women. are less susceptible to this in large. part because at least historically one. of the most dangerous things a woman can. do is give birth to a child I mean the. historical mortality of childbirth is.

enormous. um and therefore they're probably again. these are broad generalizations but. certainly the statistics don't lie which. is that men are disproportionately. subjected to these types of deaths it's. interesting what causes uh people to. experience despair because Jordan. Peterson sent me a statistic yesterday. Harrelson to you Jamie's it's it's. really kind of disturbing it's.

essentially saying that. 30 women that hit the age of 30 that 50. percent of them. now are have no children and 50 percent. of them will never have children and. that 90 of them are going to regret it. which is really horrible like if you. really stop and think about that. 90 of them regretting it okay I'll send. this to you.

the epidemic they're not there okay no. it's a unfortunately it's a video I'm. not gonna watch it it's like an hour and. 18 minutes but that statistic alone. that 90 of them are going to regret not. having children. you know that there's a there's a series. of biological switches that go off in a. person's life you know um becoming an. adult being on your own. um uh becoming self-sufficient and get. finding an occupation.

finding groups of friends and community. and having a family all those there's a. thing that people they do and it be they. become a different thing because of that. you know you become a different person. when you you become a mother or father. you know you do you something happens. you you reach like another stage of life. it's a different chapter and for people. that never reach that stage for men and. I've talked about this many times it's. like very depressing there's a lot of.

comedian friends which part's depressing. um I was going to get into that there's. it's very depressing when you see a lot. of men that do not have children that. are in their like 60s and 70s and. they've never had kids and they're not. married and they're just adrift it's. it's really sad because. these same guys that like really valued. Freedom when they were 30 and 40. um they find themselves in this like. purposeless existence as their body.

starts to fade and fail and they realize. like oh my god I've missed a whole thing. in life because I didn't want to take. that chance because I didn't want to. you know either contribute to. overpopulation or didn't want to lose my. freedom or whatever the rationale was. and also you find yourself in your late. 60s alone. no children no wife. and you can't have children anymore it's. over good you do I mean maybe a man can. some old men have kids maybe you know.

you can do it maybe but you got to find. some young lady who still got exes who. want to let you [ __ ] her and it's. increasingly less likely as you get. older that they want that you know yeah. I I I'm amazed at how when my wife and I. got married I was not. I was I was indifferent towards having. kids really I didn't think it was like. and I was like yeah I mean I guess so if. that's what you want. um and of course I feel the same way you. do which is like you know most most. important thing I've ever done most you.

know greatest source of pleasure uh is. actually kids but not without pain right. I mean it's really hard as you know to. raise kids and uh. I I you know a friend of mine gave me. the greatest piece of advice recently. which was uh something his wife does now. we have two boys right so we have this. experience where they're like and. they're feral right like they're full on. out of control much much more difficult. than our daughter was and. um at least three times a day they do. something that just makes you want to.

like kill them right like and uh my. friend was like any time you are get. you're getting frustrated with them Just. Close Your Eyes. and imagine you are 80 years old. and you have a time machine that is. bringing you right back to this moment. and this is the only moment you will get. with them again when they're young wow. that's great it's awesome I mean it's. incredible advice that's very good. advice very good advice. and it totally changes everything and. you're like oh yeah I'll take this all. day long like you know it was one of the.

big shifts with me it wasn't just it. changed who I am as a person. it changed there's a lot of things that. changed raising kids but one of the big. things that changed was how I look at. other people because I look at other. people like oh you used to be a baby I. didn't used to do that until I was like. I guess I was like in my 30s when I. figured that out I didn't figure out. that people used to be babies I know. that sounds so stupid like where do you. think they came from I would see some.

guy who's like 40 years old as a. douchebag I was like oh. he's always been that guy right he was. born that way you're stabbing you know. but it's. you I had I I gained a much higher level. of. um compassion and understanding and much. more charitable towards people much more. much more forgiving because I go. somebody [ __ ] you over not just. somebody but a series of people and life. itself [ __ ] you over and that's why.

you're a [ __ ] you're a [ __ ]. because you met the wrong people you had. the wrong experiences you had the wrong. life you had the wrong parents. all the above you know it's interesting. I I agree with you completely and I'm. amazed at how people can't hold two. truths simultaneously around this so on. the one hand everything you said is. correct and yet on the other hand there. have to be consequences for being a. [ __ ] yeah and that everything you're. saying doesn't abolish the fact that if. you're a [ __ ] like you're gonna live. a different life yeah and.

um and those two things are concurrently. true. and that's okay yeah that that's very. important and also no one's doing. anything just that's the crazy thing. right no one's doing anything to fix. [ __ ] it's just this wild Rat Race. as much as we know about psychology and. human development and what can and can't. be fixed you would imagine that if you. wanted to make the world a better place. one of the I mean really you want to. make America great again forget about. economics although that's important what.

you really would want to do is. concentrate on the psychology of all of. its citizens you would want to. concentrate on. um. prospects like your your your your. prospects for a future healthy happy. life and what's the impediment of those. prospects and how do we mitigate all. these issues like Inner City crime. violence great gangs like all that. should be a primary concern to anyone. who's like if you're running this. country and you're saying you know we. want to make the greatest country the.

world's ever known we think we have the. greatest country we can make it even. better and here's how the number one. number one would be we got to fix the. ghettos number one number one number one. we gotta that economic disparity the. disparity in terms of the prospects that. people have for living a normal healthy. life without violence and crime the. difference between someone is born in. Baltimore and someone is born in Beverly. Hills are so off the charts different. and no one's doing jack [ __ ] to try to.

even that out like this idea about like. Financial equality like that's not. you're not going to achieve that because. you're not going to achieve effort. equality people there's certain people. are just going to always work harder. than other people this idea of like we. need to redistribute I was watching this. maddening conversation with this [ __ ]. dork was trying to say that all money. over three million dollars that a person. makes should be taxed at 90 percent like. that's great for you to say because.

you're never going to make three million. dollars you [ __ ] idiot but that's so. stupid the idea behind it is so stupid. the understanding of where that money. goes is so stupid the understanding of. incentives well what about [ __ ]. Venture Capital Money what about all the. [ __ ] money that you need to make an. iPhone do you think anything's gonna. happen if you tax everybody over three. million dollars ninety percent no. where's the money going by the way it's. just going to some [ __ ] magical fairy. who's going to evenly distribute it to. everybody else we're all going to live a. great life the [ __ ] out of here you're.

just going to empower the government to. steal money that's what you're going to. do it's so dumb. but. on the other hand. like there there has to be something. there has to be something better than. what we're doing now. yeah I I think about this a lot. um just out of personal curiosity and I. have to tell you like this. this Stacks up in the column of things. for which I don't have any intelligent. thought I you know for all I think about.

this and and read about this. I mean theoretically I have ideas right. but in terms of what you're asking which. is actually the implementation what. would you actually do right what do you. have to do in East Baltimore to make it. different. and how much of it is policy and how. much of it is not policy because let's. look at some really obvious examples. having two parents in the household. Game Changer in terms of difference game. changer Game Changer so if you have a. father or you don't have a father in the. home totally different.

um I don't there's no policy that fixes. that right there's no policy that fixes. that but there are certain things you. can take well yes you do that can. mitigate that sure incarceration changes. also you know Community like having. community centers having Outreach. programs having counselors and people. that are available to young boys and. girls who don't have a father or don't. have a mother or whatever it is. yeah so I don't know it's. um. it is upsetting there's no question it's.

very upsetting and it's also upsetting. when you see how much money we have to. send to Ukraine and like okay whether or. not you agree with that or not like. where was all that money to to deal with. all these inner city problems like. where's all that money to fix the south. side of Chicago or to fix Detroit. nothing is it zero. zero effort in that regard which is very. strange but the answer is not like. taxing people 90 you're just empowering. the government no not only that they.

suck like to make the government larger. and more bloated you think somehow or. another by giving them ninety percent of. the money over three million dollars. it's gonna make them efficient no you're. just gonna get people infuriated well I. mean the best example of that not to. pick on our favorite former state but. have you read shellenberger's book San. Francisco yes yeah I mean that's that's. the case study of how that went wrong. right yes and it was that those failures. are not happening because there's not. enough money I think the core Insight. from his his book is the lack of nuance.

that goes into the problem right it's. sort of using the term homelessness to. describe every person who does not live. in their home when in reality it's like. the woman who had to flee her home. because her husband was beating her. versus the untreated person with mental. illness versus the person who's addicted. to drugs those people are not the same. the solution to help those people is not. the same and yet when we try to treat. everyone as the same in that regard you.

know we end up with San Francisco yeah. the big government is not the answer and. more money to government is not the. answer it's it's just. there's too many people that are. involved in government. that are first of all they're finding. legal or illegal ways to siphon off. money in one wave shape form or another. and that's why they're why they're. motivated to get into it in the first. place they're motivated to get into it. it's like ugly version of Hollywood like.

you want attention they want power and. control and then ultimately once they're. in there and they understand the system. they realize that there's an incredible. incentive to go along with the program. and you make extraordinary amounts of. money if you do that if you're one of. those Congress people that does Insider. trade and you look at how much money. they've able I mean you look at someone. like Nancy Pelosi who's making who's. worth hundreds of millions of dollars on. a six-figure salary like how how how'd.

you do that like what are you doing how. is that legal how is that legal they put. Martha Stewart in jail for insider. trading and this this what she does is. totally legal you would imagine that a. sane world. in the same world you would not be able. to know a law is being passed and then. make a stock trade based on knowing that. that law is being passed that a certain. industry would benefit and that industry. the stock is going to go up. extraordinarily like and you would think.

that no you you have Insider information. you can't do that especially because. you're a public servant you're supposed. to be a politician that's serving your. constituents instead you're just using. this information and you're you you have. advanced knowledge of it you're making. insane amounts of money you're doing. better than Warren Buffett and George. Soros in the stock market [ __ ] you this. is crazy but but that's the reality. there needs to be something different. than what we're doing now but you know I. don't know how to do it I don't know.

what the answer is but it seems like. there's not a lot of effort or. discussion that's being put into trying. to figure out what that is or how to do. that. the idea of like. you know I know a lot of people love to. talk about income inequality but it's. like such a [ __ ] conversation. because they always like to pretend they. they like people always like like for. instance they always want to do the. income inequality thing with men and. women you know like oh women get paid 75. cents to every dollar a man makes I had.

a conversation with a friend of mine. about that where he didn't even know. that that was about different. occupations do you understand there's. different occupations in different hours. he was like what I was like yeah you're. arguing something that you like saw on. you know [ __ ] MSNBC like this is. nonsense like if you actually look at. the real statistics. and then there's also. you're never going to get income. inequality because there's certain. people income equality rather because. there's certain people that are just.

always going to push further and harder. in sports in art in finance in anything. in anything you're not going to get. equality with human beings because. you're not going to get a quality of. effort you're not going to get a quality. of Desire people have different. motivations what you want is a Level. Playing Field that's what you want where. people can do their best with what they. have and not be hindered by some. Shenanigans and [ __ ] and.

manipulation that's what you want if you. want to work towards that like a level. opportunity field and not a level. opportunity to make money okay but if. you want to say like we need income. equality like God damn it there's people. that are psychos that work 79 hours. every [ __ ] week on Adderall you're. never going to make as much money as. them you never going to push as hard as. them you're never going to want it as. much you're never going to pump your. fists up in the air when you [ __ ]. sign a deal like they do they're out of.

their mind you don't even want to be. them you don't want to be them it's. income equality is not it's not our. ultimate goal our ultimate goal is. happiness for human beings what makes. human beings Happy Well having [ __ ]. Health Care would be nice having some. sort of like a real Health Care system. in this country that you can absolutely. count on not being in massive student. debt student loan debt is so goddamn. crazy that you can get a you go bankrupt. and you can never absolve your student. loan debt there's people that are.

they're getting their social security. docked because they owe student loans. you want to talk about getting to the. end of the [ __ ] game and you're a. loser like that's gotta suck your. student loan debts are taking your. [ __ ] Social Security money oh my God. that's got to be so depressing the fact. that that's actually true. those two things. that's a system that's a [ __ ] system. that's not good when you got subsidized. education they Jack the rates up and you.

can never get out of the loans and then. Health Care. like did you see did you see the thing I. posted a couple weeks ago about this. bill we got from when my Jill was with. the our middle son in San Diego visiting. a friend and he was sick so she had to. take him to an ER right like we don't. our doctor's not there right obviously. we live here so they did like regular. chemistry lab on them that's like about. a 12 blood test and gave him like I. don't know 250 to 500 CC of IV fluid. that was it.

that was it what do you think the bill. was. twelve hundred dollars. I don't remember it because I'd have to. look at the post I put up I think the. bill was 6 000 of which we owed two. thousand. that's insane that's that's problematic. that's a real problem yeah it might have. been more than that six thousand dollar. bill our insurance somehow picked up. maybe 3 500 we were stuck with 2500. now. juxtaposed that with the following fact. fewer than 50 percent of Americans today. if given 24 hours can produce 2500 in.

cash. Jesus Christ so when we say Health Care. is the leading cause of personal. bankruptcy. it's the first second third fourth fifth. cut like there's nothing else matters. besides health care when it comes to. personal bankruptcy. I mean this this does infuriate me to no. end like I I sometimes think like is. there any other problem I would ever be. interested to devoting my full attention. to besides the problem I work on now. that's the only other problem that would. tempt me and you know what's interesting.

too if that problem was really tackled. by by our government and they did it in. an efficient way one of the ways they. would have to do it one of the ways they. would have to address it in order to be. efficient would be to encourage people. to become metabolically healthy. of course we have zero encouragement. zero in fact there's this is actually. the opposite there's there's. encouragement for people to have body. positivity and uh need to not be fat.

phobic and to uh not fat shame you know. and if and and there's zero discussion. about healthy diets and vitamin. supplementation and the benefits of that. if we if if they just did like imagine. if the government was responsible for. our health care. and they realize hey guys guys guys are. like we got a real problem here we're. spending too much money and we're losing. money because. what if they're the amount of money that. they made was dependent upon the.

percentage of money that was spent on. Health Care like imagine if politicians. if their salary depended on the like see. but I fear that that would still get. screwed up because then they would just. cut costs right like I I feel like what. if that wasn't an option though. this is the problem right we're spending. we're probably up to ten thousand. dollars per capita. which is I mean we're actually probably.

more than that we're probably twelve. thousand dollars fourteen thousand. dollars per capita so we're at two to. five x every other developed nation and. what we spend on health care but why and. we get worse outcomes okay so the big. reason comes down to made-up numbers. look at my ER example. the the blood test cost the actual cost. of ordering that blood test is twelve. dollars the bag of IV fluid is probably. 38 dollars. so why do they inflate the cost so much.

it's because they play a shell game with. the insurance company. so they say we negotiate different rates. with different insurance companies and. we're gonna we're gonna build up the. price enormously but we're going to. offer you a really big discount and. we're going to make you our preferred. network we're going to be your preferred. network and there's a you know a quid. pro quo here which is the price is. enormous but you don't actually have to. pay that much we're going to discount it. to you but if somebody comes in out of. network which we were right we were out. of network because you know we're.

probably our network is optimized around. being in Austin and not in San Diego. um you're going to get screwed and of. course if you don't have insurance. forget about it you're paying the fake. money price especially if there's a real. injury oh yeah the real injury you need. surgery and you're not insured oh my God. the other thing is we don't have the. same laws around. um like drug pricing right so so drug. you know the the United States basically. subsidizes the rest of the world in drug.

pricing so we in exchange for getting. first dibs on the best drugs we pay a. higher price for them. and other countries are basically not. going to pay that because you also have. better purchasing power so if you look. at Canada for example like the. government is buying the drugs not not. that not not the payer right so it's. it's a it's a totally different system. and the challenge is no system is going. to be perfect but what really bothers me. about the discussion. is we're missing the point that there.

are three variables that need to be. optimized around. and everybody just talks about their. favorite one. but you can't talk about one without. talking about the other two because if. you pull on one lever you gotta let up. on one of the other levers so the three. levers are. cost. how much does it cost to deliver this. care. the second is quality how good is the. care. and the third one is access how many. people fall through the cracks so if you. look at the United States we're very. good on quality when we deliver care.

it's the best there's a reason people. come from all over the world here when. they need their cancer surgery right we. are certainly at or in the you know at. or above the best for everything that. would be done in medicine. on cost we are absolutely the worst. there's literally no country that pays. more than we do for a given service wow. and on access we're horrible for a. developed Nation horrible right the. numbers like what is the difference. between like say United States and.

Canada yeah. two and a half X I would bet wow. maybe 3x wow yeah it's so crazy and. that's not like a third world country or. something like that right like that's. what's so so Canada is killing us in. cost they're killing us in Access. because everybody's covered yes we have. better quality so you have to so that's. that's the trade-off like right I mean I. do talk about how my mom is getting. largely veterinary medicine in Canada. I mean like her health care is horrible.

as far as I'm concerned totally. unacceptable many friends in Canada that. have complained no it's totally. unacceptable so they have bad care but. at least everybody gets it and it. doesn't cost you any money and it's is. it bad care because the Physicians are. not incentivized to provide better care. because they don't make as much money no. no no no so first of all I mean at least. I don't know if I don't want to speak. out of school because I'm so far removed. from it but when I was growing up they. had introduced salary caps so Physicians. salaries were capped so when you hit.

your cap you retire you stopped working. for the year so high earning surgeons. like would retire not retire would stop. working but in August because they'd hit. their set like let's say the salary cap. was 300 000 if you earn 300 000 by. August you weren't going to get paid. anymore so though they would just sit. down and sit out the rest of the year. yep and come back in January it would. create this real problem where there was. a bottleneck shortage of dogs yeah yeah. but the bigger issue is just that the. governor government is in charge of what.

gets done and what does not get done and. there's sort of shortages right so if. you like things that you and I take for. granted right if you tweaked your knee. at Jiu Jitsu tonight you go get an MRI. tomorrow. that doesn't happen in Canada in fact in. certain provinces it's illegal to have. private private clinics where you can go. pay out of your own pocket to get an MRI. expedite God it's illegal illegal I. think Ontario is one of those provinces. by the way really so Toronto in Toronto. I do not believe it is legal to have. private medical clinics where you can.

pay out of pocket so this is where when. people say oh we should just be like. Canada I'm like no we should do. something Canada does we should have. Universal coverage and then have the. option and then you have the option to. bolt on yeah but would that be sort of. like public defenders versus a really. good attorney like so no I don't think. it would be I just sucks yes of course. no I think I think one of the things you. have to do is provide primary care and. emergency services for free. because.

that's where 90 of your care would be. delivered and is the problem that. because of these made up numbers you. discussed earlier that these people in. this country at least are accustomed to. charging these exorbitant fees like six. thousand dollars for a bag of IV oh yeah. look I mean I had I had my I got a. colonoscopy every three years so I had. my last one last this time of year ago. and. uh you know because I I it's funny that. one should have been covered I don't. remember the details on it but um.

because I was over 45 at that point so. it's counted as a screening colonoscopy. but I've historically always had to pay. cash for my colonoscopies because I. started doing them when I was 40. and. the cash cost of getting a colonoscopy. at like one of the best guys in New York. City who I've always gone to is two. thousand dollars that's the fully loaded. cash cost that means that's covering the. facility fee the anesthesia his fee Etc. the one I got here in Austin where I did. it through insurance. the fee was six thousand dollars.

I got the bill and you know my insurance. picked up maybe this is the one I'm. anyway my point is my cash out of pocket. was almost as bad as the cash I paid for. just a full up cash one it had a whole. bunch of made up numbers I actually. called my gastroenterologist the guy who. did it I was like you got to walk me. through this because like I'm struggling. to understand these costs and he. couldn't really explain it. he's like I I mean. I don't know like I I don't really.

understand it he's like but but you know. like everybody has sort of a different. amount you know it's like being at like. a Bazaar where it's like oh I have. special price for you today. what it's it's one of those things where. Healthcare is you would think that in a. healthy Community healthy like. psychologically healthy Community where. where you really respect your citizens. and care about them it it's a basic. human right like you if we're. considering ourselves a country if we're. considering ourselves a community of.

people that all live together on a. certain patch of dirt being able to. exist and to be able to be treated if. you get injured or if you get ill it. should be a primary concern no I think. it would be one of the most important uh. rights yeah that we should have that's. one and the other one should like what. is the negative about educating. everybody there's zero negative it's. only positive you're only going to get.

more contributors to the economy you're. only going to get more people that are. excelling in life and pushing the. boundaries of whatever their occupation. is whatever they're doing you're going. to get more people that have this this. opportunity to thrive in life you have a. country with less losers you have a. country with more people that are. successful with investing in that seems. like but instead we do the opposite we. we make it so you can never get out of. your debt we charge you a [ __ ] insane. amount of money for your education that.

you offered are not even going to use. you know I mean it's there's so many. things wrong with it and it just. continues over and over and over again. and then there's the indoctrination of. children into these [ __ ] leftist. ideas that they promote to very. um you know easily manipulated and you. know kind of naive young people and. these people that have never existed out. there in the real world at all and have. only existed in Academia are now. teaching your kids and influencing your. kids and your kids are finally free of.

their parents so they're gonna spread. their wings and adopt these [ __ ]. Looney Tunes ideas from these douchebags. and you know and then they have to go. out in the world and go oh my God what. did I learn I learned nothing and I owed. ninety thousand dollars what the [ __ ]. and I can never get out of it and every. year it goes up. yeah it is amazing when you look at the. sort of inflation of administration. within the universities and how much it. is driving up cost and not driving up.

outcomes. yeah because again it all comes down to. the ROI right like if if you have to. spend a hundred thousand dollars to get. an education but the education is so. good that you get a job that pays you. two hundred thousand dollars a year well. then it was worth it right I mean that's. how I feel about my education right like. right you know yeah my med school. probably cost me 200 000 or something. ridiculous. um but you know I was able to earn it. back right you're if you're going to law. school if you're going to business. school if you're going to these schools. it's different but yes it's when you're. you know an art major in college.

yeah it's hard to justify your quarter. million dollars in debt for gender. studies yeah congratulations. but going back to your point I mean I. think the biggest problem with why that. system of incentivizing based on health. would would be difficult is. you know think about what all the. variables are that you have at your. disposal to be healthy there's basically. five as far as I can tell maybe a sixth. so. what you eat. your exercise habits your sleep habits.

how you manage emotional health and. stress. what drugs supplements hormones you take. and then kind of call it the grab bag. like sauna avoiding air pollution like. all the other stuff that you could do. that can have a positive impact on your. health and what's interesting too about. the emotional health is it's very much. tied to isolation like people that are. isolated that's a gigantic issue people. that don't have good friends and people. that are sad and alone what is the.

statistic on that isn't it if you're. single yeah if you have a higher. mortality if you're if you're not in a. relationship for sure but it's higher. it's as high as it's more High than. people that are alcoholics and it's more. High than people who smoke 15 cigarettes. a day yeah there's probably some breaks. or something yeah there's some break off. yet but it's but isn't that fascinating. that we we we are such social creatures. that it your your actual physical. Vitality depends upon your interaction. with other human beings.

yeah look I mean I I none of us a lot. not not one of us could survive in the. wilderness indefinitely and and that's. you know part of that I think is the. obviously the physical part of that but. I think emotionally emotional yeah yeah. well that's that's one of the reasons. why we're so terrified about those. people that decide to do that like when. you get a Ted Kaczynski who's out there. in a [ __ ] Shack in the middle of. Montana those people are terrifying. because there's something so wrong with. them that they want to be alone yeah.

so go back to those six things I talked. about right or whatever how many of. those did we learn in medicine. one just the drug bucket. and by the way we didn't even learn that. bucket fully because we didn't learn. anything about hormones we didn't learn. anything about supplements we basically. learned the drug bucket yeah and that's. not an exaggeration I mean I literally. had zero education and nutrition zero. education and exercise so even if a. doctor.

knows the literature which says okay you. know so if you and I have talked about. many times before if your VO2 max is. this. it's three times you know more. beneficial to your lifespan than not. smoking is all that kind of stuff even. if they knew that fact they don't know. how to tell you to train right like they. don't know what workout to tell you to. do. and yes a good doctor should know that. you're better off being a normal weight. than being overweight but if you. actually ask them what should I eat how.

should I achieve this goal. eat less exercise more yeah yeah I get. that but give me more specificity like. tell me what to do yeah you can't yeah. they can't and and again they're in a. system where let's just say the average. doctor might get you know 10 to 15. minutes with a patient today yeah and. then they're constantly cycling new. people and you know they have to pay. insurance and they have to pay the lease. on the building they're at they have to. they're probably still in debt from. their medical bills sure and they're and.

they basically have to hit certain. billing codes to get paid and the. billing codes include diagnosis right. you only get paid when you can say this. is the problem this is the problem this. is the problem so I don't know that's. why I think like it's a this is one of. those problems where I think. at the you have to sort of take. individual responsibility at this point. I don't think you can wait for this. system to fix itself you certainly have. to take individual responsibility but. there's so many people that don't even. know what that means you know for you. and I it's people who have concentrated.

on health most of our Lives that's you. know we kind of have an understanding of. the territory there's a lot of people. out there that literally don't know. where to begin and so it's such a. daunting thing they're they're. intimidated they don't know how to start. they don't know they don't understand. the benefit of it I mean I there's so. many people that are intelligent people. that I don't I know they're intelligent. they're very smart their body is a. [ __ ] trash bag of disaster like how. how did how are you how are you existing.

like this you were you can't be really. happy with this body like it's not with. the way it looks so I understand what I. mean is how you feel functioning there's. no way there's no way it functions well. it's like you have sugar in your gas. tank man like you're [ __ ] this is not. good and yet they don't even think about. it they just they're just going through. life. yeah but again I I think when I say. personal responsibility I don't mean to.

I mean what I mean is the system will. not fix that problem the system the. system. one of the great benefits of the time. that we live in today is that someone. could read your book or listen to your. podcast or. tuberman or you know many of these. people that have these really really. educational shows that can you know. huberman's [ __ ] all this list of. different topics that he covers we went. over it when he was here last week he's. like what a resource what a great thing.

to be able to have something like that. and that that this exists today and that. I think more people who are seeking out. this information. have a greater understanding of what's. required and what works and what doesn't. yeah I just I hope I mean one of the. things that does worry me I agree with. you completely but there's also so many. imposters right have you seen this. v-shred idiot no oh dude I have seen. that. um uh more plates more dates has been he. did an administration of him yeah yeah I.

don't know who this guy is oh my God. it's funny based on what Derek said. Derek said that YouTube is mostly. targeting people who know nothing that. means I know nothing because this guy. gets served up to me every YouTube video. I ever watch really and never watched a. YouTube video where he is not getting. served up to me that's interesting it's. the algorithms are fascinating right. because I don't get served up him at all. oh yeah I get served him up I mean for. the last two years I've been served him. up on nine out of 10 videos I watch and. is what is his deal.

I mean just a total huckster I've not. looked into it he's a really good. looking guy with a great physique who. has no idea what he's talking about and. is selling supplements and craziness and. at least he's a good looking guy with a. good physique I know some hucksters that. look like [ __ ] yeah I'm like who's. buying this [ __ ] dork with his. [ __ ] goofy glasses on with those red. blocker glasses on like. there's a lot of those guys out there. yeah that look like [ __ ] and are. promoting they're like Health experts. right so there's the challenge right.

it's like we do have really good signal. yeah but with the signal comes the noise. there's a lot and so you've got to get. that signal to noise ratio figured out. and and I think you're right that's like. what would be my advice to somebody who. doesn't have the time to figure out like. is this person reputable is this a. person who I can who I can trust and. unfortunately I think the best thing you. can do is rely on other people you trust. and say okay like that guy he he. listened to huberman. I trust that person and that person. seems reasonable and he's telling me.

Andrew has good things to say okay by. proxy I'm gonna believe that well that. is also what's happening with mainstream. media like there's so many hucksters and. [ __ ] propagandists on mainstream. media that people are turning to. Alternative media sources that they know. are reliable and people they can trust. you know it's one of the great things. about having a podcast like mine is that. I can turn someone on to you that I can. turn someone on to to huberman or to any.

of these Fascinating People or these. independent people like Crystal and. Sagar from breaking points that have. Independent News podcasts or Glenn. Greenwald or whoever it is very wise. there's so but that people trust me. because they know I'm not full [ __ ] they. know I'm not gonna lie to them I'm not. I'm just I'm not going to do that so if. I I might be wrong but if I tell you. something it's because I believe it if. I'm wrong and if I find out I'm wrong. I'm going to tell you that too but that. there's a benefit in that there's a. benefit in that that didn't exist before.

there was no media Outlet like that. before where you could find out about. people who are reliable and are giving. you accurate information and provide a. real benefit that that's that's one of. the cool things about this weird time. where you got these v-shred guys and a. lot of hucksters out there. yeah it's it's a bummer because you I. don't know what he's charging but I. think it's a lot of money for for so. little value well hopefully people pay. attention to Derek you know um from more. plates more dates uh his his [ __ ].

show has blown the [ __ ] up just from. quality I mean literally the guy is. standing in front of a wood paneled wall. with an air conditioning behind him it's. like the most low quality setup ever but. he's so brilliant and his the quality of. his information is so good his his. research is so good that he's blown up. because of that and also like very. humble very honest really you could tell. and I've had him on a couple of times. and you you can you really get a sense.

of who the guy is thank God there's. people like that out there that expose. like the liver King that was that's. another one of God for the longest time. I was telling people listen to me. there's no [ __ ] way that guy's. natural not possible there's some freaks. out there that are natural there's some. real athletic freaks in this world. absolutely 100 percent that's not one of. them that's not one of them and for the. longest time that guy was getting away. with it but Derek exposed him. fortunately yeah you know it's one of.

the great things about this time is that. yeah there are [ __ ] artists and. there's a lot of noise but there's also. a lot of solid signal yep yeah and one. of those is outlive the science and art. of longevity figure out how well that. was time man I'm a [ __ ] professional. in some strange way I become a. professional Hugh Jackman Wolverine yeah. look at that Wolverine give you a. [ __ ] quote nice pretty sweet. um you did the audiobook as well right I. did I'm really glad I did a baby Jesus.

yeah you have to people know you yeah. plus you're a great speaker so yeah but. I'm not a great reader it was I had to. get a coach for it actually because the. it's really funny that everyone was like. yeah you're gonna do it I was like no no. I'm really bad and then they said oh so. Rick Rubin when he was staying with me. this summer and he was recording his. audiobook he had the setup he had the. booth like he had a recording studio set. up in our house and one day he's like. just go down there and just read a. chapter and my engineer will mix it in. blah blah so I said okay I'll do it so I. went down there read two chapters. they his engineer mixed it up sent it to.

me I sent it to my publisher and they. were like oh. you weren't lying you're horrible. you are so bad at this so then they. panicked oh no because they're like oh. maybe he probably shouldn't read it. seeing a voice coach I got a Reading. Coach yeah a Reading Coach Yep this. woman named Stacy snow and she came over. to my house one day on a Sunday and for. three hours she coached me and the. single I mean she said a lot of things. that everything she said mattered but.

one of the things she said was slow down. you're trying to read at the speed you. speak uh you can't do that you can't do. that in an audiobook interesting you. have to go way slower most people listen. to audiobooks like I listen to them at. 1.8 x I've never listened to an. audiobook at regular speed I can't they. sound too slow but she's like that's how. you actually have to read it and second. thing she said was. you are so sick and tired of this book. because it's all you've read over and. over and over again for six years. but you are going to have to be so.

mindful and present that you have to. read every sentence like it's the first. time you've read it like with that level. of surprise. she fixed you in three hours though. amazing for me great the fact that. someone could fix you in three hours and. now she was also my director so then I. spent two weeks reading it in a studio. here in Austin and I just had her in my. ear the whole time and she was great. that's fantastic. well um listen brother I'm very happy.

that you got this done and I'm very. happy it's out and you are one of my. favorite sources of information when it. comes to health and wellness and. Longevity and the science and art of. longevity it's available now it's. everywhere Amazon Barnes Noble Apple you. name it thank you brother appreciate you. very much thank you so much uh and tell. everybody your social media all that. stuff too oh yeah everything is Peter. attia all right beautiful all right bye. everybody. thank you. [Applause]. [Music].