Joe Rogan Experience #1945 - Eric Weinstein

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day and we're up hello Eric good to see. you my friend hello Joe so we should. tell everybody this podcast came about. from what time in the morning was it. when I called. you it might have been one of them late. night ones wasn't it well they all run. together but um a late night freak out.

UFO conversation I was like dude we got. to do a podcast about this because it. out of all of my friends that actually. can understand physics and explain it. you you you comprehend it at a very high. level so if for things like this to be. puzzling to you to the point where you. actually want to talk about it well I I. I don't want to talk about it because I. got dude I got this one so wrong for. years I mean there is no trace of me. talking about UFOs I think before three. years ago because I can't stand the.

topic unlike the rest of you this thing. hits very differently well I should say. then I've gone back and forth yeah I. know abandoned it for a long time until. I watched the Bob Lazar documentary when. uh Jeremy Corbell made that Bob Lazar. documentary I was like God damn it they. got me back in again they drew me back. in again I don't think I don't know if. there's ever uh footage of me saying the. words Bob Lazar there it goes there you. go I know but um I would love to I would. love to facilitate that dinner oh let's.

do you and Bob Lazar I don't know why. you know there's always this question. about is Bob Lazar a physicist was he. trained at these places and I I have to. imagine that that's an easily resolvable. question because you can tell whether. somebody is a physicist pretty quickly I. would that's why I can't it's like you. know you know what it's like it's like. fake black belts there's a lot of fake. black belts and if you're a real martial. artist you watch it and you go what the. [ __ ] is this guy doing this is hilarious.

but some people who don't have any. understanding of martial arts oh my God. this guy's a death touch he just touch. you behind the ear and you fall asleep. and people believe it yeah I I thought I. would just skip everything and go right. to the fivepoint exploding heart. technique yeah so that is how I am when. you know physicist I'm like I don't know. what you're saying I can't verify or. deny well so but Bob Lazar is a very. impressive person to talk to and what's. what's really impressive to me is that. he's had the same exact story right.

since the 1980s and the new footage of. these crafts that show them rotating 180. degrees before they take off is exactly. how he described so we how do you want. to ease into this we just got what what. got you curious about it if you had just. decided that it was all horeshit like. what changed your perspective okay this. is a really weird and interesting. question I had a different puzzle that. I've been working on for years which has.

to do with physics and is important to. me in my work and what I what I care. about which is there is this crazy. history between around. 1953 and. 1973 with a an explosion of activity. sometimes goes under the name of uh the. Golden Age of general relativity where. general relativity was sort of put in. final form in the teens by Einstein and. uh um also Marcel Grossman who never. gets the credit for the original papers.

I think in the on general relativity. isn't that always the case yeah it's. always like some guy behind the scenes. that actually wrote for. Shakespeare I Einstein is the genius but. he had a mathematical friend whose. father saved Einstein I think got him. the patent job so he's in the and. there's like a meeting called the Marcel. Gman meeting so he's a shadowy figure on. the edge of the Einstein Legend I don't. think he deserves the credit Einstein. did but if you look at the first paper. in general. relativity before Einstein says anything.

concrete the first paper he says. something vague that's 1913 and that's. with Grossman the next paper he says. something wrong he publishes the wrong. equation then he corrects the equation. and it's incomplete because it doesn't. have the cosmological constant and I. think it's four papers before he has the. equation that now uh dominates our. understanding of the cosmos and the. large interesting and the. um so then it goes silent and.

effectively the smart kids are all. following bore because bore uh and the. quantum have so many open problems. whereas general relativity seems like. pretty much a closed book and that's. until. 1953 and something very bizarre happens. in 1953 which we can get to but then. there's 20 years of explosion in general. relativity um which you know you've had. Roger Penrose uh on your program before. so he comes from that era and step. Hawking was uh interior to that era um.

Richard Fineman of all people uh was. very active and um gave lectures at. Caltech so my entry point was that when. I was a young guy at the University of. Pennsylvania uh when I'd come home to La. for break uh I'd go out to Caltech and I. would park and findan or Gilman's. parking spaces which I just thought was. the coolest thing in the world that. these people these Gods had little um. you know stones with their names stem on.

it so I would go park in Fineman space. and I would go to the Caltech bookstore. and I found that there was something. that was sold there that at the time I. don't think was sold anywhere else which. was like the Fineman lectures on. gravitation 1962 to. 63 and they were effed up they it was. like finan says I don't know how. Einstein did his thing but imagine that. you didn't have the Insight that this. was all geometric based on a guy named. Bernard remon's uh notion of what. differential geometry is the sort of the. smooth surface geometry of.

curvature and feeman says let's just. imagine this was an ordinary field. Theory am I Richard Fineman smart enough. to figure out the geometry just. proceeding as if I was a particle. theorist and like this is a very strange. and interesting wonderful thing to do. and these these notes are fantastic my. question is what happened between. 1953 and 1973 because the reason that. that I'm um in part really animated. right now is that this month February.

1st of 2023 is the exact 50th year. anniversary of the stagnation in. particle theory as measured by the. movement from the standard model so the. standard model and general relativity. are the two basic theories the theory of. the very small the theory of the very. large they're incompatible in a certain. level but they're very similar looking. at a different level so this has been. driving people crazy and I say you know. in. 1973 uh Crocodile Rock was the number.

one song or the tire yellow ribbon. around the old oak tree imagine that. song being at the top of the pops for 50. years with no respit that's how that's. how impressive this is right that's a. great. comparison that's a great right so just. imagine the platform shoes and going up. doesn't make any sense doesn't make any. sense how did the world's smartest. Community stagnate this badly this has. happened once before in recent times. between 1928. when dck came up with something called.

Quantum electrodynamics which is. electrons and photons interacting light. and a little bit of. matter and for almost 20 years until. 1947 we couldn't compute with this first. Quantum field Theory Quantum. electrodynamics otherwise known as. QED and suddenly in 1947 we held a. conference at Shelter Island in the tip. of uh Long Island and they didn't invite. the old people as much as they invited. the young people coming after the.

success of the Manhattan Project now the. Manhattan Project gets remembered by us. as a physics project but it was really. engineering because the theorists were. unable to fight their way out of a paper. bag so we gave them an engineering. project and they completely crushed it. right they give us these Atomic weapons. so we had a pretty good idea of who was. smart and people like Fineman were smart. so we held this this weird cheap. conference at Shelter Island at the Rams. Head Inn and Fineman figured out that. along with a guy named Julian schwinger.

and another guy named tomaga in Japan. that there was a stupid error like a. really boneheaded you know I can't find. my keys for 20 years and then you. realize oh they're in my pocket um so. this thing had to do with the fact that. there were two concepts of mass for the. electron. and if you imagine that this was this. table between us was ice right and I. pushed this cup that we would know about. how much the mass of this cup was um.

based on how it responded to. force but what if I start putting. friction now it's wood it appears to be. slightly more massive because it takes. more Force to drag a cup across wood. than it does across ice because of the. coefficient of. friction that number is the effective. mass or the dressed mass and we thought. that that was the real mass and we had. those two numbers set equal and when we. realized that they weren't the same. number suddenly the theory yielded so it. was a 20 years state.

that ended because there was a. boneheaded mistake so we have some. experience with. this is this stagnation uh more. confusing to you because everything else. has kind of moved along technologically. innovation no things mostly haven't. moved really yeah we all have this sense. of like oh my God the dizzying pace of. progress right and then I I always set. this this problem this way I say if you. subtract the screens in our lives so our.

phones bit flat screen TVs all that. stuff and and you forget about style. issues because style changes how do you. know you're not in. 1973 more or less you know we don't have. George Jetson stuff everywhere style. would be a big one yeah style would be. but just in terms of techn like the. distance between. 1952 where we have the first. thermonuclear device in the test known. as Ivy Mike and 1902 before we even have. powered flight is like 10,000 years it's. enormous. right the difference between 1973 and.

2023 is mostly due to computers. computers and communication are the two. really big expanding things now I'm not. saying you don't have quadcopters and. you don't have right but because we. interact with that primarily we think of. things as being far more advanced right. and like on a broad scale well this is. the issue you know the way I used to say. it is it was between electrons and atoms. the world of atoms stagnated the world. of electron. R um went crazy it's actually a very.

good point too in terms of one of the. one of the major um industries that has. to improve every Year's automobiles. right and the problem with that is. they're so good like if you get to like. a Tesla level of performance the idea. that you're going to get faster than. that is [ __ ] you don't want to. necessarily get F you don't want to get. that fast the idea that you could just. go to a store and buy a car that will go. zero to 60 in two seconds is [ __ ].

nuts man I know it's nuts well it's most. it's mostly a battery and a computer. claiming to be a car keep going exactly. what what I was going to say is they're. all riant on computers now like I really. like old cars I really like old yeah but. it's also I just like that there's a. direct connection mechanically you feel. a mechanical connection to the gears and. the steering there's something about. them that's very satisfying I they don't. even have to be fast they don't have to. move fast like driving around normally. it's like driving a ride it's very fun.

whereas with a Tesla it's just you know. that if you turn the wheel it'll turn. the it'll turn the the uh actual wheels. that are on the road but you don't feel. them you don't feel that thing you're. just turning a thing and a thing happens. you're not directly connected to it it's. all computers all the new Compu all the. new cars rely on computers if you listen. to John Mayer for example talking about. what's wrong with modeling amplifiers. you know you can get $100,000. worth of equipment in one of these.

little boxes um but a tube amp is hard. to replace because there's something. special in analog technology of a. different time or you pass current. through a pickup and that magnet you. know there's magic that happens between. wood and magnets and steel right all. this kind of stuff I appreciate an a an. automatic transmission as a thing of. beauty but I'd rather drive a stick. still yeah it's still you don't want to. drive one in traffic but if it's just. you enjoying driving there's nothing.

like a stick shift it this is where they. lose this they lose the focus with. computers it's like you're taking away. one of the best things about driving. which is the enjoyment of driving and. you're replacing it with tents of a. second that no one's going to notice and. you really shouldn't notice anyway. because they're all ridiculously fast. yeah. but this train will not slow down well I. get it but people need to understand. just from a human perspective Ive you. will enjoy driving a manual car more if.

you have any life left suspension if you. any [ __ ] spark left in you when. you're on a windy road you want to. go even if you're not driving fast I'm. not the Rolls-Royce had to put sound. back in because they' subtracted so much. sound through their patented insulation. systems BMW's done that as well yeah. it's it's you know it's not safe well. now you're like you're going to simulate. it's gross I know they're talking about.

doing that for Ferraris because they're. going to make an EV Ferrari so if they. made an electrical Ferrari they're. talking about making fake Ferrari noises. which is just an atrocious thing to come. out of Italy stop it wa just stop it. what the [ __ ] is you guys are all. passion and and wine and sound like. Ferrari is supposed to be like this high. revving there's something about that as. it's happening that excites you right. it's it's music it's dance it's love.

it's it's real you can't have F you with. Ferrari sounds no okay no but Elon cars. don't make any sound I love it well I. get terrified of it because they sneak. up behind me that's that is an issue. that is an issue okay but so getting. back to the whole UFO thing and the. progress we don't realize what. percentage of life was determined by. physics right so for example why Wi-Fi. and all the communication is the.

electromagnetic spectrum including radio. waves we don't. realize the semiconductor which created. the logic gate you know just we all we. did was scale it up and then now it's. chat GPT yeah. um the number of things that have. changed the world whether it's the. worldwide web coming out of. CERN physics is really what has moved. the dial including molecular biology. founded by physicists more or less so. when you lose this community you don't.

understand like you think okay that's. some Egghead [ __ ] it isn't physics is. basically progress physics created the. modern economy and to have a 50-year. stagnation uh particularly and and I. want to draw a really important contrast. 1968 was the year we discovered the. Quark so in every proton there are three. veilance quirks two of them named up one. of them named down in a neutron it's two. downs and one up so that's how we.

neutrons and protons are not fundamental. when we found the neutron it was in 1932. so my Aunt Judy shout out to Aunt Judy. Philadelphia Judy uh is older than the. neutron and the neutron doomed us as a. species like that one Discovery more or. less indicated that if we do not leave. this world we will die here in short. order because if you throw a proton at a. very heavy. nucleus it doesn't crash into into the. nucleus you got all these protons in the.

center they're all positively charged. and this one guy is coming in you know. at high speed and all these massive. protons say you know like charges repel. and this thing just runs away like a. scaredy cat a neutron is almost a proton. it's basically the same kind of a a deal. but with no charge so it doesn't. understand that you're telling it you. know go back danger and it just screams. in and it can split these nuclei. releasing all of this energy and then.

you get these chain reactions with the. neutrons radiating out so in 1932 we. discover the. neutron I think it was by 38 this woman. named leas miter uh figures out the. Chain Reaction by 42 10 years after the. discovery of the neutron en Rico fery. and something called Chicago pile one. cp1 crazily does a controlled Chain. Reaction under the bleachers of the. University of Chicago shout out to the. University of Chicago Stadium which.

could have obliterated the city of. Chicago if it had gone critical right I. mean if it had just run away we don't. nobody knew what was going to happen. yeah so we trusted the city of Chicago. to enrio fy's. calculation by 45 you get Trinity and. the two bombs we drop on Japan and then. in 1952 game over you have Ivy Mike and. the first thermonuclear weapon based on. the teller ulam design which uses the. fision bomb just for foreplay as the.

Detonator that causes the waves to go. out radiate out against the shell and I. think we still don't talk exactly how we. do it and then they bounce off and they. compress this rod and core and then you. get Fusion rather than fision and. suddenly you're harnessing the power of. the. Sun and that's when you don't even worry. about ducking cover because. thermonuclear is such a a leap above n. above fision devices and that's such a. leap above conventional that it takes 20. years for us to be become God right and.

this power we can't. control um we need to worry about. physics because you never know when. somebody's going to discover a neutron. in other words a high leverage object. just like the semiconductor was a high. leverage object the worldwide web in the. early 90s was the high leverage object. anything that comes out of physics oh. and you know Francis Crick physicist. discovering the threedimensional. structure of DNA and then the transfer. um hypothesis of. uh where you translate DNA into.

messenger RNA which gets red in. ribosomes all of these things changed. the world and effectively gave us so. much power that we don't know how to. control it and we were so. scared um for 70 years because it's 6. months between 1952 and 53 where we. discover both the atom and the cell and. how they work in terms of this forbidden. knowledge. we were so scared that we behaved.

ourselves and now we're not scared we're. like Slava Ukraine just whatever um yeah. we've got Putin we're gon to back him. into a corner uh yeah we should probably. say that this is actually uh the day. that we're talking about this is the day. that Putin just backed out of the. nuclear. treaty publicly which is not good with. Joe Biden going to Kiev and pledging his. undying love to and I'm going to say.

this which is very. painful I think zalinski is a complete. Menace why do you think that he's. romantic he's telegenic he's. Brave uh we can talk about whether he. got set up in a coup or you know who he. really is he was an actor etc. etc but at some point I think I heard. him I had to go back to like the Russian. and Ukrainian speaches in order to try. to I don't speak much Russian I don't.

speak any Ukrainian but they're closely. related languages and he calls for like. pre preven Udi like preventative strikes. I'm like huh you know this is while this. a while ago and I thought why is this. person allowed to address. Congress you have somebody who and and I. want to be very clear about this um I. really find it disgusting what Vladimir. Putin. did invading.

Ukraine but if you look historically at. The Killing and the borders of Eastern. and Central Europe they have gone back. and forth like nobody's business when. you ask somebody like me an American. asan a Jew where did your family come. from you always get the same weird. response it's like oh it was a part of. belarussia that went back in forth. between Poland Ukraine mova you know. Lithuania because it's fluid. right and so when we say you know we we.

we respect the territorial Integrity of. Ukraine we were fighting right now in. Lov like the ukrainians were fighting. lvo 8 seconds by Hypersonic missile from. Article 5 territory since 1999 in Poland. and I realized how crazy we got um I was. in Providence Rhode Island with my son. and I get this alert on my phone and it. says two people are dead in Poland uh W.

with a presumptive strike by a Russian. missile I'm thinking did did I read two. Polish people dead in an article five. full NATO member since. 1999 with a Russian missile because I. knew we were fighting way too close to. this border now by the way if I say lvo. everyone's going to correct me and say. no no Eric it's Lviv it's like no these. SP these cities all have multiple. pronunciations I I always thought of lvo.

was a Polish City not a Ukrainian City. and ironically I believe lvo is the. birth place of Stannis La ulam who came. up with the teller ulam thermonuclear. design so we're talking about some of. the world's smartest people on some of. the world's bloodiest most disgusting. most beautiful land you know have you. have you ever been to Ukraine. no so my family basically is scattered. you know was scattered throughout the. Shettles of UK ukine and I've been over.

there in in '. 89 we Americans do not understand. Central and Eastern Europe period the. end and for us to be making these. commitments and not understanding how. Russians think and how ukrainians think. and how Poes think and how the fighting. works I don't think we know what we're. doing I think we're creating a Doomsday. Machine and I the reason that we you. know it's not like zalinski isn't. wronged. by Putin it's not like um he's not.

charismatic he has one of the greatest. Bruce Willis lines of all time when we. ask to evacuate him he says I need. ammunition not a ride you know that. thing makes us yeah yeah I want that. there's like hous to house fighting the. way all the World War II enthusiasts. think they they tend not to think about. Nagasaki and Hiroshima they like the the. Tactical stuff with all the you know. which Bridge got got taken out over. which river and how did we do this and. that so it's very romantic to people who.

are like World War II. addicts we do not realize how deep the. trouble where courting is and I don't. think we realize how dangerous it is if. we are going to every time there's a. border. dispute go to a thermonuclear stand you. know. standoff it's just Russian roulette with. smaller and smaller numbers of empty. chambers and I don't know what this is I. don't know whether we have 30 years to. play this game or three or three months.

but I learned that day last year in. 2022 um nobody around me in Providence. Rod Island was reacting everybody's just. going about was like a normal day it's. like I'm I'm increasingly Joe believing. that I am sane and that the world is. crazy and normally I take that as a cue. that maybe I need to get some sleep no I. think we're actually just going crazy I. think that those of us who actually get.

how risky this is need to speak up. because it's not fun the entire. apparatus will tell you that you're soft. on Putin and you're an appeasing. Chamberlain uh wannabe and it's like. [ __ ] right now you don't realize in. 2004 we let lvia and. Lithuania into M NATO membership and I. remember thinking at the time what the. hell are we doing it's not like I don't. understand that we want to protect them. it's not like I don't understand that. you want want to say that they're. independent nations but these were.

former Soviet. republics and there's two ways of. thinking about it you can put on one set. of glasses and say well these are. nations that get to decide what they. want and who's to tell them what to do. and then there's another thing called. spheres of influence where it's like. that's the Russian sphere of influence. if you are not playing with both of. these sets of lenses you're not playing. the game and the number of people who. just have one set of these glasses on. right they're only seeing the infrared. or they're only seeing the ultraviolet. it's like no you you need to oscillate. back and forth and understand what.

you're doing so I think I think zalinski. and I'm scared to say this because I. know I'm going to get just nothing but. hate we created a situation by. pretending that we didn't understand the. Spheres of in influence glasses we very. well understand the sovereignty classes. and we are now creating a Doomsday. Machine that we do not understand and. the world is going to go multi-polar and. we don't have the skill to play this. game period do you think part of the. problem is that.

we're the the amount of people that have. actually gone to war in this country. first of all there's there's people that. are in the army or in all the Armed. Forces they're they're volunteers. everyone volunteers there's no draft. there's no um National requirement to. join the military like there is in. Israel and like there is in South Korea. and many other countries we the the. people that have experience with the war. are the ones that are telling you this. is dangerous. people like yourself are telling us this.

is dangerous but to the rest of the. world to the rest of this country. there's a real problem with day-to-day. existence because day-to-day existence. is tricky and it it gives you parameters. which you exist in but they're not real. they're not real they're not real you. they're only real right now and if you. invite War you now are like these videos. that you can watch I don't know if. you're on. telegram there's some [ __ ] videos. from this war on like in the woods. ground fighting I've seen them heavy.

heavy [ __ ] and I don't think people that. show up every day at the same Starbucks. and then get on the highway and go to. their office and repeat every [ __ ]. day I don't think they think of that as. a real option in the world but it is. think of daily life as ketaman okay so. you've got people walking around. completely dissociated because. everything in their daily environment. tells them to pick up the dry cleaning. right. and you know oh everything's fine well.

what's on Netflix yeah um at least in. the Cuban Missile Crisis my father was. driving across country I said you knew. it was the he says everybody knew it was. the Cuban Missile Crisis every single. town that he drove through he would stop. and the TV would be on people were. talking about it right we are in some. world where and I think that we have to. just talk about the fact that the United. States is attacking ordinary intelligent. human beings by depriving them of any.

basic. knowledge. of what is actually going on we don't. know what happened with the origin of. covid we have no idea about Epstein we. don't know what's going on with the. vaccines we don't understand the source. of the inflation we blinded ourselves. from looking at the M1 monetary. aggregate when the FED pumped Us full of. cheap cash we have no clue how to. resolve um you know something as dumb as. the EP. to whom did did gillain traffic I don't.

know yeah well can't find it sorry bye. so this is what's causing in part our. friends to go crazy you know several. years ago Sam Harris had good input. Jordan Harrison uh Jordan Peterson had. good input Brett Weinstein had good. input most of them I don't think have. figured out that they're starved for. information and that and I'm going to. say something very heter heterodox to. the heterodoxy the heterodoxy was never.

meant to take over for the Orthodoxy the. Orthodoxy was something that needed. correction the purpose of the heterodoxy. is to say you're you're 12 degrees off. you're 3 degrees off what do you do when. you're like 168 degrees off and all you. know like the fine-tuning that. heterodoxy can do is not sufficient to. correct the ship and what we're being. what's happening to us I said this to. Sam at a dinner with Dave Rubin right. before Trump took over over I said Sam. if you don't take a different approach.

to Trump he's going to blow out your. circuits he said what do you mean I said. well for every ambiguous thing that you. can't resolve with Trump um raise two to. that power so if he puts three. ambiguities uh in a series you have two. to the third possibilities of what could. be true that's eight he can create a. decision tree that explodes faster than. you Sam Harris can think right there's.

no way you can get to two to the fourth. possibilities on a decision. tree Sam I don't think he understood the. perspective and so what happened was we. were all swimming in this world where. nobody could tell which end was up. nobody can resolve anything and I think. a lot of this has to do not sure I. understand what you were just saying. there okay the this decision tree thing. that that Sam he was going to blow. explain that so let's imagine for. example that I'm staying at a local. hotel okay and you don't know whether. I'm staying at the high or the Four.

Seasons okay and you also can't figure. out whether I'm leaving at one o'clock. or at. 2:00 and you don't know whether I'm. going to be arriving by um a white Prius. or a black. Escalade you now have too many. possibilities as to well what's the the. drive time for those two hotels is. different I don't know which car I'm. looking for there are eight. possibilities now of what could actually. be happening because those are all.

independent right when Trump created. ambiguities or now the Biden group is. creating ambiguities by not telling us. what's actually going on you don't know. how serious this uh East Palestine uh. Ohio spill is is this something that's. going to burn off pretty easily or is. this getting into the corn crop that's. going to be found in all processed food. I don't know I don't know how very good. question right okay so just every day. you're being assaulted by completely. unne Neary. ambiguities and and you know this is but.

why why then the Trump thing why his why. would his derangement towards Trump well. because circuits Sam made one terrible. call with Trump he said that he was the. uh evil Chanty Gardener like a simpleton. like Mr meoo just happens to wander into. the Oval Office as the. first first president with zero. government experience including the. armed services. [ __ ] Trump maybe a savant but he was.

brilliant absolutely brilliant if you do. not give that devil it's do your toast. yeah it's silly to say that he's dumb. because he's. different he says some dumb stuff. sometimes but often times he's talking. off the top of his head oh I don't like. uh maybe use some bleach clean it out. remember that exactly use some but. meanwhile one of the things that he said. about using uh light right actually they. came up up with a process of doing that. that was an actual procedure that they.

would use where they use ultraviolet. light inside a person's lungs and kill. the co virus this was like a a concept. that they were actually putting forth as. being possible so what he said even. though it sounded ridiculous get light. into the body actually it actually was. right but that's the thing so then a. bunch of people said okay I'm going to. put a minus sign in front of trump. everything that he says is just wrong. right do that well they do this to Alex. Jones they do this to James ke and. they'll do it to you and me they they've. definitely done it to me they definitely.

done it to you too it's a thing that. people do look just because someone look. I say dumb things all the time. constantly my kids make fun of me I. never do I am always saying dumb things. because I talk sometimes before I. totally think but then I go oh wait a. minute that doesn't make sense and then. I'll correct it like I'm I'm trying not. to be married to my thoughts there's a. real problem you're great at this by the. way the real problem well because I'm I. recognize my [ __ ] shortcomings me too. I I know that I I am I'm scattered okay.

because I do a lot of different things. and I'm thinking about things that are. totally unnecessary like professional. pool matches like I think about that all. the time like how did he get position on. that six ball that's crazy and I I'll. think about that when I'm driving my car. so like I'm a scatterbrain in a lot of. ways so sometimes when I'm talking I'm. I'm there but I'm not like fully formed. in these thoughts I'm trying to talk. them out in real time right and you you. get clumsy with that and when you. concentrate on something thing you get. really good at it and if you concentrate.

on something and try to improve on. something whether it's playing chess or. whether it is business you get really. good at it and in the meanwhile you. might not be good at interpersonal. relationships you might not be good at. the way you communicate with people you. might not be good at but you have some. weird thing that you're doing that seems. to be successful and you're you're. putting all your energy into that that's. what he's doing that's what he's always. done what he's always done is like these. business deals and making money and. putting a [ __ ] giant hotel with his. name on it whoo like that's what he.

thinks about and he's really good [ __ ] I. would say he's tactical the extreme you. can't say he's not smart it's just like. he's he's just not Sam Harris he's not. capable of those kind of eloquent. speeches and conversations off off the. cuff like that which is a totally. different skill yeah but if you looked. at his tweets for example back in the. day there was so much formula in those. tweets I I started coming up with like a. template he had five different twe. and Sam just would not let go of the.

idea that he's a dum dum and that was. super expensive in the long run but I. think it's because Sam knows that if you. get in a debate with that guy he could. trounce. him part of it is that you think you. think yes Sam could TR him if if they. got in debate about. religion if they got in debate about. about certain things that Sam is like. Neuroscience certain things that Sam is. very educated in he's he he's so good at. debates it's like being a black Pelt.

that's used to tapping people all the. time and then you see this guy that's. he's winning debates against people. because he's calling him like what do he. called lion Ted and he calls the gives. people nicknames and and I think if I. was Sam and I was as good as debate at. debate as Sam is I would go I can [ __ ]. this guy up Sam doesn't know what's. coming to him if that's true because. there was a guy named Max bleacher was. I'm sorry Sam dragging into this who was. a who was a Los Angeles attorney who had. a crazy idea he said I'm going to try.

really complex antitrust cases in front. of juries like's not going to be able to. follow that he's like exactly I'm going. to speak. simply look one way to win one of these. arguments is just say uh you know the. problem is the nuclear family right and. every single Democrat will say you mean. nuclear and then you've lost because. when you correct somebody who's saying. nuclear like okay it's clear eggh head. you lose nuclear is a way to say it.

too it is now so this that's how that's. how George W bush always said it and. everybody's like hey what the fck Dennis. Miller had a bit about it but it wins. right so this is why if you sit down. with one of these like like if you and I. are at the beach right and we've got the. world's greatest beach volleyball team. on one side and the world's greatest. CPAC tucko team on the other side it's. it's a ball it's a net and it's three. three three dudes okay okay who wins. the people that are better nope who.

depends who the ref is if the ref thinks. it's volleyball then the volleyball team. will win and if if the ref thinks it's. CPAC tucko the CPAC tucko team it's the. same I don't know what CPAC tucko is oh. it's like the most beautiful you know. what that is yeah yeah what is it it's. similar to the thing with that ball that. we have out there that uh oh one. of oh okay that's it's like martial arts. ballet in the air with the feet it's the. it's it's the best game ever I don't. know why we're not do amazing well we. can't do it those guys are [ __ ] I.

destroyed my left ankle on this game oh. you can't be doing that you can't do no. no I was a young man I was courting my. wife I was going to impress her in. Indonesia show like let an American take. over okay here we go these guys are. these guys are phenomenal okay like that. is insane I mean that's like a 100 Yer. Rodriguez is out there Yer Rodriguez is. a UFC fighter who fights like I almost. did it with boxing versus UFC right is. the issue punching people in the face or. is the issue doing everything except for. small joints and and and eye sockets.

that kind of thing though requires like. a kind of dexterity that's very. difficult to acquire like that kind of. dexterity with your legs that's like a. Taekwondo dexterity 100% the question is. what are the rules so in other words if. if Sam Harris goes up against Donald. Trump I can tell you who's going to win. depending upon how we score okay what if. what if they have a convers instead of. like having this this here's what I. don't like about debates yeah this. what's artificial is that one person. gets to talk for x amount of time it.

seems silly to me I don't mind someone. being able to talk but it has to be a. conversation someone cannot dominate the. conversation like you and I if you and I. had a disagreement and I just wouldn't. let you talk it's very frustrating it. sucks it's not good for anybody more. likely to go the other way I'm sorry it. could happen that way it could happen. that way but it doesn't matter it's like. it's not fun and it's not it's not fair. and like if you're gonna have it's like. a fight you can't I can poke you in the. eye but you can't poke me in the eye no.

that's not fair it has to be fair so if. you're going to have a an and some would. say well he's not capable of having a. good faith conversation but that's the. only way to do it the only way to do it. is to have an open-ended time frame. where you could just until this [ __ ]. thing is resolved until we all give up. you guys can talk was Dick Fosbury Fair. who's Dick fosber the high jump guy from. 68 in Mexico City I don't know what. happened oh he figured out he you had to. go backwards Over the Bar rather than. scissoring it oh he's the first guy to.

figure that out yeah oh no kidding right. that's a pretty [ __ ] bold move right. bold move or like you enter a catamaran. in the America's Cup they have the same. big pad yeah so they had the same big. pad before and they were just landing on. it like that oh wow that's crazy right. whoa that's insane that's how they used. to do it yeah wow right so zero day. exploit did you know this did you know I. feel like I knew this jump I've heard of.

that but I didn't I didn't know how they. did it before I never looked [ __ ] at the. same Olympics you have Bob Bean jumping. like what is it two feet farther than. any humans like probably the greatest. single athletic performance of the 20th. century happens there but zero day. exploits are really interesting another. one was the Bombay International table. tennis championship and the weakest. player on the Japanese team was a guy. I'm gonna get the name wrong here Jamie. keep me honest hero hiroi Sato. uh he shows up in Bombay and he's like.

the worst player and he he's got the. secret uh paddle case and he unzips it. and he's got rubber glued to both sides. of the Sandpaper bat that everybody else. is using oh and he dominates everybody. and you think because the rubber grips. and spins but I think it's actually that. the everyone was queued to the sound and. this deadened the sound and suddenly. nobody could play against him sudden you. know so he's like Iron Man right they're. thinking they have another thing that.

they're thinking about now like why does. it sound like that they don't even know. that. ah right interesting okay hero sat's. controversial sponge bat that caused a. revolution in table tennis but also. wouldn't it slow the ball down because. of the softness of it I would imagine it. would give you more control it would. seems like it would do both of those. things maybe it would slow the ball down. a little bit because it's got a little. bit of smush to it and I think that. would almost be like a change up in um.

like a pitching situation where. someone's throwing a ball you're. expecting it to be 90 miles hour instead. it's 60 and you're like [ __ ]. like you're just you're you're off right. because you have to be so ready to go. and and it's slower than it should be so. it's [ __ ] with your computer and I. think I think the Chinese came up with. the loop in table tennis I believe that. in beach volleyball the jumping serve. where you you go airborne and then you. you hit these these discreet technical.

changes oh let's take the one with Steph. Curry uh I heard I wish I could remember. who this was somebody in your audience. will know there was an old style top. basketball players being interviewed. what do you think of this guy Steph. Curry what's happening in the game and. he said something was so beautiful I. can't tell. you something to the effect of you know. I don't know what game that is he said I. used to play in the paint we were all. you know we're going at it and elbowing. and trying to get position this guy's a.

million miles away from the basket and. he's just nothing but net he said that's. not basketball to me like he just didn't. recognize what the thing had become oh. that's so weird and so I think the these. zero day exploits and just taking back. to get to the to the UFOs because we. have crazy stuff the neutron is a zero. day exploit it's The Fosbury Flop of. physics same for the semiconductor and. we have stagnated for so long that.

people in our government aren't watching. people like me and saying what's going. on Eric anything new what are you. working on because anybody who comes up. with a new thing can change the entire. balance of power on planet. Earth how far away are we from new. things and have new things been can't. ask me that cuz I I have a different. view than every other person I want to. get back to I want to ask you let's do. that at the tell me can ask you not I'm. asking you that bro.

okay KCK youread keep going we'll get. back to me asking you that yeah you can. ask me at the end but but I want to do. the stuff that's controversial but is. like everybody should have to agree to. it okay okay let's go so what I wanted. to know was why during the. 1950s did something happen that resulted. in a. 70-year stagnation in a field called. quantum gravity quantum gravity is like. a startup that cannot ship a product. after 70.

years and it's still taken over in. theoretical physics as sort of The. Prestige Theory field and quantum. gravity is is there an application for. this that there were attempting to. achieve. no it's not a it's not a precursor to. technology so far as we know but what. happened was you probably have some dim. memory of something by the way these uh. shooting stars in your ceiling just yeah. you gota be warned otherwise you're like.

oh oh. um quantum gravity uh is the replacement. of something uh for is a replacement for. something that used to be known as the. unified field so Einstein wasn't chasing. quantum gravity he was chasing unified. field. Theory and unified field theory was much. closer to what we would call classical. physics where you get Quantum field. Theory by quantizing a classical Theory. that fell out of. favor and around.

1984 we gradually had unified field. Theory become sort of like a joke. old-timey expression for the future of. physics and we substituted quantum. gravity for the merger of quantum theory. Quantum field Theory quantum mechanics. and gravitational physics under general. relativity that program that dog doesn't. hunt and it hasn't hunted for 70 years. so I wanted to trace this back how is it. that the field became convinced that.

something which clearly doesn't seem to. work and has had all of the resources. all of the best Minds at its disposal it. sucks up everything and it it just. doesn't work why can't I question this. where did this come from so to be. specific like how many people are. working on this problem and how many. people have been working on this problem. for 70 years without progress I would. say that the period between 1953 and 73. there are parallel things quantum.

gravity is not the mainstream at all. okay so real physics is happening. between 53 and 73 by anybody's. understanding of it okay okay between. 1973 and. 1984 or 19 let's say 74 to 84 because we. group 73 with the to 53 you have 10. years of super exciting guesses about. the extension of our understanding than. called super symmetry Grand unified. theory.

Technicolor uh ASM totic safety these. are really responsible guesses. Axion um and you know somebody like Sean. Carroll uh or Neil degrass Tyson might. talk to you about these things when they. come in here in 1984 there's an. earthquake called the anomaly. cancellation and a a failed theory of. strong physics the physics needed to. glue two protons together in a helium. nucleus because they both hate each. other because of electromagnetism and.

want to separate but something is. binding them together like a family. structure. right that Force we initially tried to. fix by thinking of it as strings we'll. put like elastic bands between things. and it'll pull things back together that. didn't work but then we repurposed it. and said no no no it's quantum gravity. and uh one single individual who is the. most dominant mind on planet Earth at. the moment moment uh effectively. Voldemort the person whose name we are a.

little bit afraid to invoke and and. cause wrath said in 1984 no string. theory is the way this anomaly. cancellation was unexpected and it. clearly points to the fact that we are. ladies and gentlemen we're about to. quantize who's that person Edward. Whitten and in physics circles you're. not allowed to bring this guy up we talk. about him everybody talks about him but. to challenge him think about agent Smith. think about playing one-on-one with.

Michael Jordan in his. prime he's that good Joe I don't think I. I'm dumb enough not to be intellectually. afraid of anyone else on planet Earth at. this point I am terrified of this person. really i' I I've said he's the Michael. Jordan of theoretical physics if only. Michael Jordan could play better. basketball I'm not kidding around Joe. okay yeah wow right this good and has.

never made contact with the physical. world so it's like one of the greatest. conundrums so so let me get back to how. C what do you mean by never made contact. no Nobel Prize never predicted something. that turned out to be true never pointed. us to do an experiment that was. invalidated so 100% of his. efforts have. been not making contact. with physical.

reality oh this is I'm sorry like you. have people like mokaku who are in the. string theoretic school or Sean Carroll. is very sympathetic to it you need to. understand this story uh Jamie if I dare. may I ask can we pull up something with. Edward Whitten and Abdu Salam uh on. YouTube just to like this person's voice. imagine a six foot for person who talks. like this interesting just like you.

could do a Vulcan mind meld and. rearrange your mind into scrambled eggs. within seconds I know tenur professors. who hid in their offices when he visited. MIT because he walked on everybody he. knocked on everyone's door and he has. you know how Warren batty had a pickup. line that everyone knew what's new. pussycat is that what he said yeah that. was Warren Batty's pickup line it's all. you needed when you were Warren batty. it's true try that [ __ ] if you work at. 7-Eleven this person okay let me here. pretty weird way for a theory to start. the string of theory started with a.

clever formula written down by veneziano. in an effort to satisfy not so well. motivated phenomenological ideas about. strong interaction scattering that was a. way for Theory to start which was a. strange just the way quantum mechanics. started and the way Einstein happened to. have uh invented a theory in. a particularly striking Triumph of. reason and intuition but but most other. physical theories have had more. complicated you can tell how much is.

going on Beyond this how to make. theories about them you can't generalize. at all of how invention will come. anybody who makes statements like that. is by his own experience now that is ABD. Salam Noel Prize winner must be modified. according to each situation what would. you say Well it still seems to me it's a. question of whether you start with a. mathematical scheme and then look for a. physical interpretation or start with a. physical principle which you guess to be. correct and then on the one hand try and.

prove it experimentally to be true and. on the other hand uh codify it into a. mathematical form I must admit I've. always been so admiring Einstein's. procedure in general relativity of. starting with a very simple physical. remark based on the Galileo discovery. that bodies of different Mass fall at. the same rate in the gravitational field. of the earth he made a simple physical. hypothesis why that should be true. you you have to understand you know that. old Jim cochi song about Big Jim yes.

when the bad folks all get together at. night they all call Big Jim boss if you. ask any of us who are any. good who's the person who terrifies you. the most so are these guys debating him. is this what's going on no no no no no. no no are they agreeing with him are. they questioning they're having a. friendly conversation right should we. let it go more uh up to you but I would. I would concentrate the other people are. very interesting. this is a. towering 1 stories above everybody else.

let me hear him talk more because it. seemed very fascinating watching the way. he was talking about things it almost. seems like he wanted to run away and get. back to his. lab with you except that I think it. would have. taken you see reman almost did it remon. had the conception that gravity was. based on curved SpaceTime but what he. lacked sorry Ron had the conception. gravity was based on curved space he. didn't conceive of curved space time.

because special relativity hadn't. happened yet so time and space hadn't. been unified but if Ron had lived after. special relativity he might well made. even so I don't think it's a such a cut. and dried case ever well could I let me. give you one more example if I may. please um find find some. more so should we walk at a different. video of him or this you can find a Le. of him that where he's alone just let. him Yap a little bit.

okay outside the a winner of the. fundamental physics prize a $3 million. prize recently established by Yuri. Milner to matter equivalent of the. electron the positron this is a particle. like the electron but with the opposite. electric. charge so this was actually the. discovery of antimatter the most basic. property of antimatter is that matter. antimatter pairs can be created and. annihilated in this picture time is. running.

horizontally. and what I'm sketching the purple Wiggly. lines are meant to be photons physicists. often in drawing so-called fan diagrams. use Wiggly lines to indicate photons. here two photons are annihilating into. an electron positron pair so photons are. as close to pure energy as it gets and. they can be converted to matter that is. into antimatter matter pairs imagine. dating This Guy's daughter and you have. to meet him you know Hey sir nice to.

meet. you what do you what do you do at. work I've Tangled with him. twice I don't look two friends of mine. are his graduate students he's had two. graduate students in. mathematics he's not even a. mathematician he's won the fields medal. he's never won the Nobel Prize but he's. won the highest prize in all of. mathematics as a sideline didn't even. make major in physics major in history. at.

brandise they're fried their brains. everybody who comes in contact with this. person just never fully recovers because. he's that much smarter we don't know. what process he's running I mean imagine. that you had like a machine tool imagine. you had like chat GPT in your. ear nobody else did and nobody knows how. you're doing it right um I wouldn't say. that he's that way now the younger vers. version of him was much more unusual he. would just spontaneously laugh in the.

middle of a sentence for no reason um it. it was just very clear that you weren't. communicating with somebody who was with. you in the room whoa yeah he seemed like. the way he was sitting there grasping. his hands and he seemed like very. uncomfortable just to be around all. these people I was at the University of. Pennsylvania in like. 1982 through 85 okay. and I went to a lecture that he gave and.

he said things like well gu every school. child in Quantum field theorist. knows yeah just like spontaneously. laughing for no reason U the number of. generations is tied to the index of an. elliptic operator on a cabia manifold. and the guy next to me. says I've been a Quantum fil theorist. for 40 years I don't know any of this. stuff whoa right so he came on to the. scene and started telling us how. everything was going to fit together and.

nobody had ever heard a story like this. this is by the way lost um to history. because we fictionalized what happened. with string theory this person was so. far ahead that nobody wanted to. contradict. him he said this was the way you know. there are five string theories or. whatever there are six four I can't. remember and it's going to be one of. them and in 10 years we'll have the. whole thing wrapped. up and everybody wanted to be on the. winning team knew that they weren't. going to go up against this because they.

couldn't even figure out how he was. doing what he was doing and what was. really going on was very different than. people. understood Quantum field Theory which is. now claimed by most physicists to be the. most advanced Theory we have at the time. was sort of a grab bag of different. techniques you know just like not. unified he saw that this was effectively. um a coherent hole and with help from a.

couple of other people who are often not. as well acknowledged one of which would. be Michael. AA uh another which would be Graham. seagull another which would be Dan. quillin and my good friend and post. ooral adviser Isador singer so there was. sort of a small cabal of people who. figured out that Quantum field theory. was not only a coherent story it didn't. really have to do with physics at all it. was like calculus. you can use calculus to do physics in. fact you can't do physics without.

it but you can also use calculus to. optimize inventory and make you know. make your profits go up and so as a. result Quantum field theory was. discovered not to be physical it was a. framework that you one physical input to. that machine probably generates the. world but the machine itself isn't about. physics so this was the most romantic. backfiring in the history of physics in. in a certain sense these guys set out to. say we are going to quantize gravity in.

other words quantize geometry the. geometry of Einstein and. remont and what happened was exactly the. reverse they graviti the quantum they. geometrized the quantum so it's been. remarkably productive the reason we can. say how brilliant this person is is. because he geometrized the quantum at a. level that we didn't know was possible. on the other hand he never made contact. with physical reality the way he was. expecting and promis ing to do so he's. both the most accomplished of us and the.

person who drove physics the most off of. the road and if you attempt to give him. his due and you don't if you're not. comfortable citing both of these things. you can't be an accurate historian but. he's still running around and nobody. wants to go up against him how old is he. now uh he's born in. 1951 so he'll be turning 72 I think. later this year if I'm not. mistaken and then we get to the real. crazy part quantum. gravity is really due to two families.

one is a husband and wife team and the. other is father son the husband and wife. team were named Bryce dwit formerly I. think Bryce Seligman don't know why he. changed his name and his wife Cecil dit. or Cecil dit. Moret and the father-son team was Lewis. Whitten who is still alive now 101 years. old and Edward. Whitten and then the really weird stuff. happens um and this is why I was like.

curious about UFOs and gravity and all. this stuff the actual Genesis of these. two families having this outsized impact. on the future of theoretical physics. comes from two different people who are. almost never talked about matter of fact. most physicists have no idea their names. one is named agnu banson and the other. is named Roger. Babson and these two guys were deep into. anti-gravity. so the world's greatest mind and. greatest living theoretical physics mind.

is the son of the most prominent. anti-gravity researcher I swear I kid. you not from the. 1950s. whoa. whoo now there's an official story about. this and the official story that both. the DTs tell and the wittens tell is oh. yeah there were these crazy people they. were very embarrassing they were always. focused on. anti-gravity but we were clever enough.

to defraud them of their money to do. real gravitational research ha. haa they both said that both families. well they didn't use defraud but that's. kind of what they impli that's correct. because it's an embarrassment and and in. order to understand this hugely. productive period relative to the. stagnation the stagnation is incredibly. High. Prestige like most of the positions at. the at the institute for advanced study. the top physics department ostensibly in.

the world right you had a director named. Ro Robert dyra String theorist you had. Edward Whitten string theorist Natty. cyberg string. theorist uh Juan malesa string theorist. and you had this guy Nima arani Hamed. who I hope you will have on this program. who is amazing who is not a string. theorist but very string. sympathetic this thing dominated it just. took over. and this weird Genesis of a high.

Prestige field that can't accomplish. what it's setting out to accomplish is. in contrast to this mixed period between. 1953 and. 1973 where you have the world's most. prestigious physicists poing around with. pseudoscience UFO type stuff gravity. shielding all this stuff so Babson is so. crazy I you can't even believe this. story is true um but he claims that his.

sister drowned in a pond because even. though she was a good swimmer she. couldn't overcome gravity so gravity. becomes his sworn enemy and he's going. to use his fortune that he's predicted. from uh that he's gotten from predicting. the crash of 1929 because of Newton's. Laws what goes up must come down so he. gets out of the stock market six months. early Babson makes a a fortune he Edison. and Clarence birdeye of frozen food you. know uh Fame form this sort of little.

intellectual Collective where they're. going to defeat gravity so for example. just because people are going to say. Eric this is all nonsense and it isn't. Jamie is it possible to pull up a stone. monument at tus University to the. anti-gravity that was done there so put. in tus Stone. anti-gravity these this guy littered. universities all across the country with. these monuments to prove that this. anti-gravity stuff was actually taking.

place uh at American. universities and he established an essay. contest all right so check this out this. Monument has been directed by the. Gravity Research Foundation Roger Babson. founder to remind students of the. blessing of forthcoming when science. determines what gravity is and how it. works and how it may be controlled this. is about. UFOs and the idea that we are going to. harness the power of gravity and we are. going to get a supreme advantage and. these stones are uh littered around the.

country here's another one so this is. not widely known that this research is. being done this is hugely embarrassing. to us hugely embarrassing because it. hasn't yielded results no hugely. embarrassing because it carries the. stench of pseudo science see when people. don't like me coming on your program and. saying things that nobody else in the. world is saying they call me a pseudo. scientist store that's crackpot and. these words like you don't take them. that seriously we we had this discussion.

before with like Tim Dylan saying. something about me uh you know what has. he ever done academics play these games. with each other where we try to push. each other out of the ring like sumo. wrestlers and the way you push somebody. out is you say oh that guy's a crack B. he's a grifter he's a pseudo scientist. right he's nutty he's a. Nutter [ __ ] this was the marriage of. the ultimate nuttiness with the highest. Prestige physics we know how to. do and was this considered nuttiness in.

' 64 though this is the interesting. question in the middle of the. 1950s this is mainstream in newspapers. but for example Bryce DT so here's how. the two stories cross okay you start off. with Babson and banson okay they're. they're the. money Babson found something called the. Gravity Research Foundation in New. Boston New Hampshire and he gets the. Glenn El Martin company which is the.

precursor of Martin Marietta precursor. of lock heat Martin do you know this. stuff no. okay and he gets them to hire Lewis. Whitten out of John's. Hopkins Lewis Whitten is a respectable. physicist who takes the position and. forms something called the research. institute for advanced study now you've. probably heard of bell Labs or Xerox. Park and you probably haven't heard of. the research Institute for advanced. study no yet this has illustrious names.

associated with it uh Solomon lefet the. great topologist uh comes out of. retirement to work on this. anti-gravity uh inspired project um rud. Rudolph Colman of Colman filtering. there's no shortage Sheldon glashow who. discovers spontaneous symmetry breaking. under Julian schwinger at Harvard is. attached to the Research Institute of. advanced study it has a a campus in. Baltimore Maryland that uh you know I. can tell you the address at some point.

we pretend that it didn't happen and. doesn't exist but for example if you. were to look at Brown University Brown. University has something called the. center for nonlinear Dynamics and the. center for nonlinear Dynamics is the. spin out from the Research Institute of. advanced study of Solomon Lett the great. topologist's work on nonlinear you know. like chaos theoretic uh dynamical. systems. so it's this marriage of utter Madness. and cookiness with top door drawer white.

shoe respectability so this was my. puzzle about UFOs what was this. anti-gravity thing between 53 and 73 and. the reason it ends in. 1973 is a guy named Mike. Mansfield uh I think of Montana as a. senator passes something called the the. Mansfield Amendment which discontinues. army or Department of Defense military. funding for Blue Sky research inside of.

our. universities and what is Blue Sky. research hey you're a young person. you're super smart here's a pile of. money don't even tell us uh what you're. working on we just believe in you go to. it this is what caused us to be the Envy. of the effing World Cowboy. science we were wild okay we had skirt. chasing hard. drinking uh charismatic. brilliant human beings who answered to. no one and walked around with swagger.

with their shoulders back and their. chests pu puffed out because around. Sputnik we wanted the best of the best. to go into. science around 1973 we discontinue this. we start talking about Golden Fleece. Awards how did you waste the taxpayers. money you know and we become. incapable of equaling the performances. like we we we worship Williams because. nobody's turned in a Ted Williams style. performance in.

ages even Ed Whitten can't do it in any. era before this Ed wh would won a Nobel. Prize the guy six months older than he. is from 1951 his guy Nam Frank wilchek. who won the Nobel Prize even being a. tiny bit young uh older than Ed Whitten. uh you know Frank is brilliant but he's. not Ed Wht like he got a Nobel Prize for. uh something called Asm IC freedom in um. in strong. interactions this new.

found impedence let's just call it. impedence it's like you turned the. world's most vital people into. castrate and you did it by accounting. for their dollars making them uh you. know say how everything they did had a. practical application defending the. purpose of Blue Sky research uh as if. they were wasting taxpayer dollars they. got C called the you know wealth Fair. queens and white lab codes the whole. thing is completely ridiculous but we. have been in the process of dismantling.

the world's most productive powerful. scientific Enterprise from really. 1965 or 73 till the present day and the. 65 date dates from gillain Maxwell's. Father Robert Maxwell is basically the. son of a [ __ ] who introduced peerreview. which had only really been strong in the. biomedical literature. inter General Science because he figured. out how to make a fortune hacking the.

universities if you're a university if. you want to have a complete Library you. have to buy all the journals the papers. appear in so he said great news I'll. jack up the prices and jack up the. number of journals I'll just explode the. number of journals and every University. that doesn't want to be in complete has. to buy my. product so suddenly there weren't enough. good editors to edit all of these tiny. micro journals you know Journal of. hypers specific thing.

X so peerreview comes screaming in in. 1965 uh through his company Maxwell's. company called uh pergamon. press um so gain's Maxwell's father is. like the first major attack on science. and then the Mansfield Amendment comes. in there's something called the eberg. amendment 1973 in 1980 there's something. called the B Dole Amendment then there's. the ation Act of 1990 and we're just. chipping away at the Vitality of.

American Cowboy science so right now if. you go into a science department the. whole question is well what have you. done for diversity inclusion and Equity. you know let's agree that there's no. lone Geniuses in the world as if we. didn't have Einstein and vun noyman and. Teller and all these people everything. is communal everything is in the air. it's like nobody wants to work in this. environment nobody. good right so whatever it is we have. been devitalized in certainly since 1973. for 50 years but also really since 1965.

how do you turn that boat around though. we're doing whatever we can like if. you're rich and you're smart and you're. connected if you're part of some secret. program and you're watching this please. reach out to The Joe Rogan Experience or. Eric Weinstein to turn the ship around. but let's keep going because I want to. get to the UFOs again. okay um so my question was what is going. on with. anti-gravity. UFOs the world's smartest human beings. between 1953 and 73 somebody helped me.

out why two families the dits and the. wittens and let me give you the reason. that I didn't want to touch this. subject the reason I didn't want to. touch the subject has to do with. something I learned from World War II so. you probably know you know the code name. for D-Day no Operation. Overlord there was a companion thing. called operation bodyguard and in. particular Operation Fortitude which was.

inside of operation bodyguard which was. the uh planned invasion of Norway which. was never going to happen but we faked. an entire invasion of Norway because we. had a troop buildup in England that was. going to be headed into a very narrow. place and was going to be outgunned by. the. Germans so how do you get all of these. people have to fight who have loose lips. probably going off and seeing. prostitutes. who knows not to blow spill the beans on.

D-Day well you can create an entirely. fake invasion of. Norway is it possible to bring up. Operation Fortitude just to see a map of. this thing so they faked radio chatter. they had inflatable tanks I think there. were Army divisions that didn't exist I. was looking at something it didn't call. it what you called it but it's the same. stuff yeah uh I think this is the map. you're talking about well that's that's. in that's northern France fortitude. would be targeted on I've seen the. inflated tanks that was what it was. regards to so deception and and we.

talked about Kay before like I'm very. focused on it um what I really care. about look at that that's hilarious they. had a bunch of inflatable tanks so this. entire. deception um had to be parallel o. Overlord wouldn't have worked without. fortitude now if you assume that that's. the basic Paradigm which is whenever. we're going to do something badass we're. also going to do something.

fake I thought the UFOs was the. Operation Fortitude part of something. real this is my bad I screwed up Eric. failed blah blah blah um so you thought. like at at what point like when the New. York Times had revealed they talk to. people in Pentagon before that I thought. okay you want to develop the SR71. Blackbird you want to develop the the. stealth. bomber you want a code you want a cover. program so you're going to come up with.

like UFOs somebody sees something in the. air dude there was like a flying. triangle I swear to God there was this. thing that went so fast I couldn't even. believe it well one of them is the be B2. bomber the other one is the SR71. Blackbird duh right so why do I want to. get involved with Operation. Fortitude I'm I'm a patriotic American. if we're going to lie about stuff and. we're doing it for a good Purp purpose. it's not hurting anybody I don't want to. get involved and say I'm so smart I can. figure it out I don't want be anywhere.

near that right so that's what I assumed. about UFOs and I goofed so what do you. think it is now well that's the new. question and what made you shift this. perspective so there was this weird. thing that happened where we announced. through the New York Times that this. stuff may be more real than anyone cared. to imagine you know when Jeremy Corbell. was releasing these videos and who was. them I don't know and the New York Times. was authenticating and you know you get. all of this again tons of ambiguity so.

everybody's decision tree blows out. nobody can think straight but I thought. oh. no what. if the old Fineman stories that I've. been following are actually about. something rather than about a deception. so for example Fineman has a story where. he. says hey there was this guy who was. giving physics lectures to Aerospace. engineers and they didn't like him so I. had to go out to Buffalo I thought. Buffalo that's Curtis Wright you're.

going to Curtis Wright. Aerospace and he's got another one about. you know uh give me a dollar because. somebody calls him up and says give us. the nuclear patents um to like uh fion. driven planes and crazy stuff. um Fineman is constantly telling. us he's got a story called it Greek to. me where he shows up in North Carolina. can't remember whether he's supposed to. go to the University of North Carolina.

Chapel Hill or. Greenville and he has to figure it out. and he says oh uh I'm late to the. conference there would be a bunch of. people mumbling the words G youu and the. guy says oh it's Chapel Hill so he goes. there so haha it's a cute story about. how clever Fineman is which they all. are but that was a conference sponsored. by The Institute for field physics at. the University of North Carolina Chapel. Hill sponsored by banson through Bryce. dwit who is the person who repurposed.

the Gravity Research Foundation essay uh. which is only supposed to be about. harnessing gravity anti-gravity. anti-gravity devices like UFOs and he. said well if you really want to get to. anti-gravity you have to do it through. quantum. gravity right now he did that and then a. couple of people from The Institute it. was arit and deser uh entered and won. this competition that had the stench. about it because it was like stigma ized. you're going to enter a competition for. anti-gravity. devices Oppenheimer says wow you guys.

won this by using the name of the. institute for advanced study you give. the money back right now we're not going. to touch pseudo science the guys kept. the money and then the flood gates open. and Penrose entered it and Wich entered. it everybody in their mother Martin. Pearl entered this. competition lots of Nobel laurates win. it this is this marriage of total. [ __ ] and top drawer physics that the. rest of us are not allowed to. participate so if you want a weird model. for how physics Works think about.

diplomatic immunity but in science. you've got this group of people at the. top who are allowed to engage in. quackery they can hang out at esselin. and smoke dope and take LSD and go into. uh sensory deprivation tanks like like. Fineman um they can po around with rich. people who are uh talking about. anti-gravity but the rest of us have to. stay in our. lane well that ends now now that I've.

been contacted by people saying Eric you. know Sam Harris and I were both. contacted saying that there's a. disclosure. planned and it's got there's big updates. and we need you to communicate this news. to the world there's disclosure about a. specific technology about something I. mean more or less the way this works. doesn't matter who you talk to it's like. something is huge I can't talk to you. about it because you don't have. clearance but we're going to fly out to. Colorado Springs and we're going to show.

you some stuff and you're never going to. be the. same right like okay I'm on. Standby my process Joe is that I'm very. open-minded but I have a very strong. filter before I'll say yeah that's true. that's real okay that freaks people out. like why are you even talking to these. people well because I know the history. and you. don't so I was open to this Sam was open. to this and it's Lucy in the football. every goddamn.

week when when am I headed out to. Colorado oh you're going to be met by a. car and you're going to be blindfolded. and you won't know where you are like. blah blah blah okay this week next week. the week after oh no no something's come. up on the hill things getting crazy. we're going to be talking to some very. big people I can't talk to you right yet. so that's been my weird life now a part. of it for like three years I don't know. how long years they've been telling you. that they're going to release this yeah. and and it's always pushed out right so.

like it's it's a Manana. program okay it's always. Manana and I'm not falling for it but. I'm telling you now that I I have. information I can't tell you everything. I know I wish I could but I I'm a team. player and if somebody says something in. confidence I'm not going to reveal it on. The Joe Rogan Experience okay um. but there's some things I can say that. nobody else can say which is I had a. very weird reaction to this I think Sam.

was initially interested and then they. they maned him three times and he said. I'm out doesn't talk about. it I went a different route I said okay. you guys keep saying all the stuff is. real you keep saying you've got high. quality data that you can't show anybody. because it's all stove pipe you hear. this word over and over stove pipe. meaning that each little group is. isolated like Bob Lazar says yeah I I. was only allowed to see this little. thing. so I say okay am I right that you're. telling me that these things are real.

yeah then then they say and that nobody. could do this that we know of I said. that's right because they seem to defy. the laws of physics you hear this phrase. over and again defy the laws of physics. I said great I need to talk to somebody. who speaks physics how do you know they. defy physical law well we can see that. they it's like okay if they defy. physical law then there should be a. physicist to tell me that they defy. physical law who's seen the data maybe. he can't release it to me or she.

but tell me somebody who speaks tensor. analysis tell me somebody who knows what. the durac equation is like a pretty low. Bar for a. physicist there is no. one and I don't quite mean no one but do. you know who Eric W Davis is no you ever. heard of the Wilson memo. no okay there's something called the. Wilson memo where there's a physicist. who meets an a general or an admiral and. the general or the Admiral is trying to.

figure out I think this is an. eg& um why is there some program that. I'm not allowed to know about I have the. highest clearances I have a need to know. like sorry we can't tell you he's. talking to somebody named Eric W. Davis Eric W. Davis so far as I can find is the only. person other than maybe how put off who. I've been able to talk to who speaks. anything of these languages this is not.

a particularly famous physicist how put. off is an electrical engineer I think. PhD in electrical. engineering Eric W Davis says to me I. said is is there nobody out here who. speaks physics this doesn't make any. sense and he says well you Hal and I are. the three most technical people on this. Joe I'm not even on. this so you know as much about it as. anyone and you're not even involved and. there's only two other people that know. the science behind and like one of them.

is into remote viewing and. oh and and was a. Scientologist um. so I'm just imagine that you take your. wife to the symphony okay you're going. to see Beethoven 7th and you look at the. string section brass sections in place. and the percussion is there and you look. at the string section and it's a bunch. of C ified public accountants you're. like where are the violins where are the. violas like oh oh no actually that we.

have reporters for the AP they're. stringers like that's not the same thing. we have string theorist that's not the. same thing I'm looking for Vi like this. is simple MH I've been on this for three. years and I can't find anybody who. speaks this language which now that is a. huge clue imagine that you say that. we've lost control of our. airspace we're being menaced uh threats. to civilian a Aviation military Aviation. they're seeing these things every day. they defy the physical laws and there.

are no physicists anywhere to be found. that smells like BS or it smells like a. pathological level of bureaucratic. incompetence and Marco Rubio and Kirsten. Gildan if you're out there um can you. please find out why there are no. technically competent people on an area. on an area of National Security and. please don't Mumble the words stove pipe. or need to know or sources and methods I. mean we had a Manhattan Project we.

staffed it with physicists you have a. physics. problem if these things are here Joe. they are here from so far out of town or. they are co-mingling with us on Earth I. can't tell you which there are some. reports that these things come screaming. in from behind our satellites that are. trained at Earth along non-ballistic. trajectories I have no idea how to say. this I'm I'm talking all the time to Avi. lobe uh with the Galileo project trying. to help him out he needs funding and he. needs some ability to you know just if.

the government won't play ball he's. going to put out his own sensors in. places like Catalina Island blanket the. world and he'll be able to say we're. seeing these things or we're not seeing. these things but right now we have a. puzzle that our government won't release. information to its own scientific. community and it reminds me of you you. probably know Airplane movie well. there's this well there's this point. where they're trying to land this. airplane with these people who aren't. Pilots he says turn on the turn on the. landing strip lights and it was Lloyd.

Bridges or somebody says no that's just. what they'll be expecting like he's. trying to sabotage the people who are. trying to land the plane it doesn't make. any sense we're sabotaging our own. scientists do you think this is because. there's a level of secrecy that's. attached to this technology and they've. compartmentalized themselves to death. and they've gotten themselves to a point. where they don't know how to proceed. further because they're preventing. people from sharing information which is. one of the most important things about.

science right is that scientists get to. share information and all work together. to try to figure out what the problem is. is that a. reasonable well here comes the decision. trees like I wish I could say yeah. that's what I think it is but it might. not be so one possibility is let's be. honest if you are faking UFOs the last. people you want. are the world's most brilliant. physicists you give them the data. they're going to say right oh look I see.

what you did you put a couple of. flashlights with lasers into the sky and. you can move them really quickly by the. angle and that creates the illusion that. something is zipping through the world. right if you are faking UFOs if you're. faking a UFO gasm the last thing you. want is theoretical physicists on the. case so that would be one reason to. clear them out another reason would be. bureaucracy you've got these rival. groups they're all starved for money. nobody wants to invite somebody smarter. than they are so the problem with a B-.

level and c-level players is that. they're looking for dnf players so that. they're not threatened that's another. possibility a different possibility is. that we do have a Manhattan Project and. we don't know about it so for example we. have a Manhattan project for decoding. cryptographic messages and it's called. The National Security uh agency NSA and. it used to be called No Such agency. because we wanted to deny its existence. but now we know it's got a giant. building how do you know that it exists. if nobody told you well you'd look at.

the number of number Theory. phds and people are specialize in things. like elliptic curves and you would. notice that a giant number of them after. their phds. disappear and you track to see well. where do those people live where do. those names live oh they live in. Virginia okay so You' start to get an. idea now in the case of UFOs if there. was an anti-ra project which is I it's. like it's painful for me to even say. these words really what it would be is a.

post einsteinian physics project if you. had a post einsteinian physics project. you would want three Subs Specialties. for sure that would be differential. geometry which is the basis for um. originally uh general. relativity in 1976. 75 two guys named cyang and Jim Simons. who Jim Simons becomes the world's. greatest hedge fund. manager um figure out that Quantum field.

theory is also based on Geometry but. it's a different version of differential. geometry so that's one specialty that. you would want second specialty that you. would want would be particle theory or. high energy physics however you want to. say it the third specialty you'd want is. general relativity so if you wanted to. detect whether we had a Secret Manhattan. Project but it wasn't. identifiable by a building because we.

didn't announce its existence you'd say. is there anything that eats those three. Specialties unless you believe that. there's a secret University system. because we have lists of everybody who. gets produced with a PhD in these. fields if that was the. case the two places that you would have. a secret place would be. Austin which is the successor to The. Institute for field physics at the. University of Texas. Austin gravitational Group G General. relativistic Group which has had John we.

Aral wheeler Steven Weinberg Bryce dwit. this is a Powerhouse of a place that you. happen to live in and you should have. these people who are the the successors. to these people on because most of these. people have. died but the more spectacular place. would be satak at Long. Island the State University of New York. at. Stonybrook has an astounding collection.

of Monster minds and it's not highly. regarded as a university I mean it's. it's it's strong but you would have no. idea how strong this place is it's got. multiple Fields. medalists it's got an Institute called. the what is it the center for geometry. Simon Center for geometry and physics. cyang who's AR arguably the greatest. living theoretical. physicist uh is at this University he's.

101 years old so he's he's pretty much. on his way out but this is where he's. called home and it's not advertised as. the PowerHouse that it is so shout out. to the State University of New York at. Stonybrook if I was going to locate a. Manhattan Project in plain sight uh and. get us news and world to report this as. a minor player in uh in re search that's. where I'd go but more importantly and. this is the really weird thing and again.

I don't want to spread this as a rumor. but I am saying this if you wanted to. imagine that there was that the. government wasn't incompetent we. actually had great people on this. project my friend and adviser who's now. died Isador singer once said to me he. said the world's greatest mathematics. and physics department is Renaissance. Technologies. and I said what didn't make any sense to. me it's great people but it's a hedge.

fund okay so you've got this weird thing. where you've got three. basic uh institutions that are very. closely intertwined you've got Brook. Haven National. Laboratory you've got State University. of New York at Stonybrook a mid-level. university with an out of this world. math and physics. program and you've got a hedge fund. that makes more money than anybody can. possibly. imagine like there is no there used to.

be four Fortunes in hedge funds that. didn't make any. sense um one was de Shaw one was Bernie. maid off one was Jeff Epstein and one. was Renaissance. Technologies. wow and I guessed that Bernie maid off. was front had a legitimate business and. an illegitimate business and was front. running the legitimate business with his. illegitimate business so he was. effectively stealing from his own. clients in two separate div in one.

division one one was the theft one was. the. dupes I got that wrong he was just. running a Ponzi scheme so shame on me. but I was giving talks about you know. there's black rock uh and Blackstone as. investment groups and I was going around. in the early 2000s talking about Black. Arts capital I would give talks on Black. Arts Capital we' tell you what we're. doing but we'd have to kill you and that. was a reference to made off in Epstein. because Epstein's Fortune made no.

sense. right Renaissance has existed in its. Medallion fund for. decades has turned in a performance. never seen by anything else remotely. effectively just a money printing. machine no one knows how it. works I've met with Jim Simons. one-on-one for three hours and because. his wife is Economist my wife is an. economist I'm a differential geometer. he's a differential. geometer I gave him this entire theory.

that all of modern neoclassical. economics is actually differential. geometric and 3 hours later he's been. chain smoking he smokes like a chimney. never wears socks very eccentric guy. brilliant as the day is long still alive. go get him for a. guest. um he says wow Eric that's brilliant if. you knew what we were actually doing. you'd be very disappointed. he said I never thought of this now a. little while later I don't know if you. know who Brian keading is he's a.

professor UCSD he's an. experimentalist Jim is basically his. uncle and he calls me out to Santa. Barbara and Jim is having dinner at his. uh his brother's house and what you guys. don't know about Jim Simons is that with. a guy named SS churn he came up with. something called the churn Simon. function or CH Simon's functional where. if you differentiate this thing the way. you differentiate the Einstein Hilbert.

functional you get an equation that. looks very similar to the Einstein field. equation for Gravity only it looks a lot. more like particle. theory so I told Jim I said I don't know. if you know this or you don't know this. but I think you're sitting on top of a. piece of the puzzle that supersedes. general relativity and on the spot asked. me whether I wanted to come out to the. State University of stone of New York at. Stonybrook for a. year to work on this we had like a very.

technical conversation Jim Simons is. potentially I mean Beyond. brilliant but also has a claim on a part. of what I believe is going to supersede. general relativity by imitating the. Einstein Hilbert action from which the. Einstein field equations are derived. this thing gener at something which you. would call the the churn Simons equation. Ed Whitten gets the fields metal for.

quantizing this thing that looks like. gravity but is actually sort of particle. theoretic and I I I can't get into it. because we don't have the common. language to do. it um this is huge. stuff what's going on at Stonybrook what. has happened Stonybrook is Ground Zero. for the explosion in mathematical. physics that came through something. called the wooy yang dictionary where. suddenly the quantum became as geometric. as general relativity then it got more. geometric through something called.

geometric quantization then it got more. geometric through something called. geometric uh Quantum field Theory or. topological Quantum field Theory or. conformal Quantum field. Theory I don't know whether. satet is the locus uh can you bring up. the iconic wall uh picture of the iconic. wall this is like a religious artifact. let me pee hold hold this right here. let's let's hold right here with this. we'll bring that up we'll be right back. we're back we're up okay so Jamie what.

was this thing that uh you were pulling. up we have a picture here of the iconic. wall at Stony Brook it's a little hard. to see in the picture so that is what is. on it okay so this is like a imagine. ancient egyp Egyptian runes and like the. most. crazy first of all I would correct this. thing in a million different ways but. you see the AA singer index theorem um. equation for the curvature tensor.

Maxwell's equations in geometric form. written out in differential form um. equations for string theory this thing. E8 uh the 248 largest simple Le group in. the world this is like almost a. religious pilgrimage site um what's. wrong with that that you would correct. you want to put it up yeah. uh da star of fa at the bottom of the.

ellipse equals zero is only the vacuum. equations I would put in a term called. J um the. uh above that you see dim card this is. the AA singer remember is Isidor singer. um that thing should be expanded to. something called the aaot singer uh. index theorem for manifolds with. boundary above that uh you see the durac. equation i/- M * s equal 0 um actually.

if I'm correct it should be a hybrid. between the Rita schwinger and the dur. equations based on a three complex. tensored with a. spinner above that you have a. non-relativistic equation which is the. Schrodinger equation because there's. only one derivative in terms of T but. there's that nablo that triangle squared. which is different in terms of space so. you can't treat space and time. asymmetrically above that you have the. Einstein field equations R mu newus 12 R.

* G mu new there should be a. cosmological constant in there which is. missing. um to the right you have the E8 diagram. should be the tits freudenthal magic. square so I don't know whether this is. like a straussian communication in the. sense that if you're smart enough you. should know that there are tons of. Errors limitations and bad choices uh I. would not not write out the Maxwells. above that you've got these nabla B NAA. E equals zero What's the other. possibility in terms of these errors.

somebody hired somebody to do something. impressionistic and it got too far in. the process carving Indiana Limestone. before they figured out that you should. really do this better but it's this is. gorgeous and it's the only place in the. world this is my language Joe this if. you ask like what language does Eric. speak and why does he act weird on when. he comes on my show this is my native l. anguage and beautiful piece I mean. Beyond it's really wild and and it costs.

a fortune and this is Jim Simon's money. at work and. um you need to know Jim okay. um I. mean so my question. is is there some do we have a project if. it's not if we're not doing something in. satucket or we're not doing something in. the University of Texas at Austin I'm. worried we're not doing something. anywhere I went to The Institute for. advanced study to visit friend.

acquaintance Nea Aran Hamed who I think. very very highly of um he said some. pretty wild. things should be on the show he's the. most bizarre thing in that he's an. unbelievable salesman showman who's. pathologically honest in a weird way so. it's very unusual characteristics um he. made the point he said the Casmir effect. is an example of negative energy. negative like negative mass energy where. you take two plates that are so close.

together that the quantum waves many of. the frequencies can't fit between these. two plates and so the pressure outside. of them is not counterbalanced by. pressure between them so they get forced. together when they're very very close. and his point is that's an example of. actual negative Mass negative energy. where we pretend that that's not true he. says geckos actually use this when they. climb up a wall they use the Casmir. effect so it's real now the question can. you harness it this is always the you. know you've got UFOs people who try to.

think about how you could get physics to. do these things focus on the Casmir. effect or they'll focus on negative. energy solutions now if you look at that. 1957 conference at the University of. North Carolina Chapel Hill one of the. most eminent mathematician physicists. guy who was first rankled at Cambridge. was a guy named uh Herman Bondi an. Austrian I think math ician and his. paper is about negative mass in general. relativity now I don't know if you've.

ever heard of this stuff no if you have. two masses in general they always. attract each other. gravitationally but what if somehow you. had a different kind of mass that was. negative just like you could have. negative and positive. charges well weirdly you change two. things you change the force law fals Ma. and you change the gravitational law G. uh you know f equals g m first mass time. second Mass over R squ so when you. change both of those oddly the negative.

mass is still attracted just the same. way to the positive mass as if it there. was no difference but the positive mass. is always repelled so you get this weird. solution where the negative Mass chases. the positive mass and they go off to. like you know unbounded. acceleration so Bondi was thinking about. why is it that we've got these. artificial conditions in general. relativity which we impose by hand. they're not the same beautiful marble. that Einstein used for his field.

equations but we throw some extra crappy. stuff in called positivity conditions to. stop general relativity from giving us. Madness so Bondi started asking the. question maybe we shouldn't maybe what. you think of his madness has. meaning and this is why this this. conference which is a Confluence of the. two families the wittens and the DTs. with Fineman and Wheeler and all of. these unbelievable characters and.

attendance is this pivotal strange. experience is that people are smoking. the. ganja on extending general relativity to. places that it's never been extended and. the highbrow version of this doesn't. work and the low brow version of this. doesn't work so far as we know the. lowbrow version is called. pseudoscientific anti-gravity gravity. shielding. electrogravitics gravit Dynamics the hbr. version of this is called quantum.

gravity and all the most respectable. people are in it and it doesn't work and. you can't say why are we doing this if. it doesn't work why can't I say Ed wht's. great but he made a terrible blunder. David Gross should David Gross and Ed. Wht should be in front of the community. explaining why did you take all the. smartest people all the resources all. the attention. meio Kaku get meio Kaku in here with. me meio Kaku is out of.

control Sean Caroll is covering up for. this as well in what way they are too. kind Brian Green like I had this. interchange with Brian Green where I. said you. know we're not being honest about the. failure of string theory and Brian's. like oh well maybe we were a little bit. exuberant and I I blurred out Institute. for arts and ideas I blurred. out that's like saying. mili my mili was irrational exuberance.

no you put a lot of people's careers in. the in the shredder in order to have. this quantum gravity experiment which is. like you know the people bowing and. praying to this thing that doesn't. work the dog doesn't hunt and anybody. who questions it as a crackpot I'm done. with this Joe like you want to come at. me and say Eric doesn't know what he's. talking about I'm debating physicists. I'll debate anybody with possible. exception of Ed Wht who still scares me. but I'll probably debate him.

too in an open form we have got to purge. the physics community of its quackery. and the quackery is coming from the high. Prestige version of this the high. Prestige version of anti-gravity is. called quantum gravity and it just. doesn't. work so to get back to the. UFOs Why is the. important. one I don't know four years five years. ago and I was doing this Riff on the.

twin nuclei problem I said we've got to. get off this planet I said we now become. Gods but for the wisdom and I just threw. it off and you said focus on that that's. a great saying turned out to. work that came true the Co in your lungs. probably came out of the Wuhan Institute. of virology and we're lying about. it that is engineering the nucleus of. the cell the nucleic acids that we found. the structure of in their. function right now we are screwing. around with Vladimir Putin with nukes.

pretending that the sacred borders of. Ukraine which have been fluctuating for. centuries are somehow. sacran. and yes it's terrible that he's invaded. and I do think that the bter shouldn't. move but we really shouldn't have been. antagonizing Russia by pretending that. there's no concept of a sphere of. influence because I'll tell you when. somebody puts nukes on our border with. Mexico in Monteray or Baja California. we're going to be plenty.

upset we now need to leave and I tried. to say that kind of a little bit light. tongue and cheek everything's. accelerated think about our water having. broken in the last three. years this is our womb it's time to go. and in order to have any hope of getting. off this planet you can't leave it to. Elon in chemical rocket. can you imagine Elon and I do not meet. ever it's like we know a million people. in common he knows that I'm focused on.

getting off this planet he's got a. chemical rocket company he's exactly. right about almost everything that he's. saying up until he gets to the moon and. Mars and like who cares you're not going. to terraform the moon and Mars in the. next three years or. 30 the only way to really get off this. planet is to leave the solar system. because those are the only two rocks. that are even halfway viable and if you. think about how far away everything is. we've got this thing that I call the. Einstein moat the nearest star if we.

took a human traveling at the top speed. a human has ever gone at I think is. 100,000 years away at that top. speed so you can fantasize but oh yeah. we just come up with huge ships and. people have multigenerational experience. all of Jewish history is 5,000 years and. you're talking about 100,000 years no. way you're going to do this on a ship. friend imagine Wars on a ship exactly. and then you have this next problem. which is uh oh we're going to use time. dilation no no we're going to use. wormholes it's like yeah and we're going.

to bring nunchucks and throwing stars. and we're going to be like [ __ ]. awesome. dude right so it's like all these sort. of weird edgy stuff. inside here's what's really happening we. do not live in SpaceTime this place is. not in SpaceTime there's a saying the. map is not the territory SpaceTime is a. map but the territory is wherever we. actually live and SpaceTime has so many. limitations on it that Newton never. placed so the longer we stay with no.

advancement in the general theory of. relativity the more we feel that we are. imprisoned here we're not going anywhere. it's all sci-fi it's all. garbage it's it's children talking about. things that aren't true well. [ __ ] every time you fundamentally. push physical Theory you better figure. out whether you've got a new Neutron or. worse or better you're going to get a. lever now my claim and so everything. I've said up until now has been. idiosyncratic research but you can check.

it online n none of this is something. you can't check I'm now going to put on. a different hat when you ask me about. you Eric because people are going to say. crank crazy whatever I'll meet you on. the field of battle cut the crap. people I am a post einsteinian person I. have not been in relativistic context. for years and the reason that you get to. leave relativity is that you recover. relativity from another theory if you.

have a theory that includes. relativity you can say okay yeah I know. how to see relativity inside the theory. but I can also see other stuff Beyond it. and so that's where I work in some place. called geometric Unity because the. geometry underneath the standard model. and the geometry underneath general. relativity is two different geometries. called Ronan and. osmanian I combined them that was the. point of. it in this thing there's a very clear. idea about how you would go about. traveling great distances and so I found.

that you still have this thing from the. last time I was here two years ago so. this is a model of A Spacetime. metric and if you think about where. these hair ties are on the two rulers so. this is the angle between for people. just listening there's an adjustable. ruler with a sphere or a circle rather. so two two rulers coming out of a. protractor and you change the angle of. the ruler so whatever I choose this to. be is 90° if I do it like this that's. still 90° or this that's what an. einsteinian metric.

is this hair tie that I can move up and. down is going to be the time measurement. like a. watch did you ever see when I gave Lex. my watch no oh so you gave Lex a watch. and I started talking about multiple. time Dimensions so I gave him my. Fitbit anyway um if you want to go a. very long distance one possibility is is. that you do something very energetically. expensive but the other possibility is. grow the ruler to shrink the distance if.

the rulers and protractors that Einstein. used and he chose one through his. equation are instead variables and you. have full access to them if I wanted to. go a very long distance the first thing. i' do is grow the ruler to shrink the. distance then go the distance under that. ruler and then I'd shrink the ruler back. so when you talk about things like oh. these things are behaving like nothing. I've ever seen well there are a couple. things that I'm worried about if these. things are real one is does somebody.

else know how to grow rulers and Shrink. rulers and grow watches and Shrink. watches speed them up slow them down in. order to get in control of the thing. that we thought was. SpaceTime the next issue is are there. multiple temporal. Dimensions so Eric you're friend who's. had too much coffee believes that there. are either six or four extra temporal. dimensions and whatever isn't temporal. is spatial so it's either four plus 6 or.

6 plus 4 extra Dimensions split between. time and. space if that's true try to. imagine. extradimensional Engineers who have full. access to something where there's no. Arrow of. time the only time there's an arrow of. time is if time is one on dimensional if. time is two-dimensional you have a. Whirlpool of time which is either. clockwise or counterclockwise if it's.

three-dimensional you have a right-hand. rule of time and there's a left-hand. rule of time these are called. orientations my belief is that we may be. looking at something that has access to. either four or six additional dimensions. and again I'm reading this off of a page. of equations and notes and so you know. what they mean in physical reality in. other words if this thing on the page is. true holy [ __ ] on the other hand if it's. just some geometry then you don't worry.

about it you say okay well extra. Dimensions I can think in 17 or three or. what doesn't matter it's not that hard. to think in higher dimensions spatially. for people who do what I do almost none. of us can think in multiple temporal. Dimensions there's one guy at in Los. Angeles at USC called Yak bars a Turkish. Jew who keeps talking about two-time. physics. and I've spoken to him but multiple. temporal Dimensions would be a decisive. game Cher in terms of changing.

everything that we know about the world. and what would be the technology that. someone could use to access. that because that's the big thing I know. I know I. know think about it you're you and I are. both old enough to remember cassette. tapes and vinyl albums MH on a cassette. tape you've played your favorite album. all the way through like Dark Side of. the Moon and you want to play it. again you have to rewind through every. song you just played and you hear right.

but that doesn't happen on an album. towards the end of the turntable time. you would just the stylus would pick up. and it would skip over all the stuff. that you didn't want to hear again and. it would go back to some track that you. did imagine you could do that with time. you didn't have to go back through. through time to go back in time do I. even know what I mean not not really I'm. sort of at the edge of where I can. actually say things but you see all of.

physics proceeds from the time from the. assumption that time is onedimensional. we have this thing called deterministic. propagation so if you take quantum. mechanics there are really two rules one. is completely deterministic with no. probability Theory you've got a system. you know its initial conditions and you. say if I know the laws of physics I. should be able to figure out where this. is. you know I take this lighter and I throw. it up and I catch it and it described a. parabola okay initial condition.

propagation I measure it it's completely. determined by the point of. release in quantum mechanics you have. the second thing called Quantum. measurement and that is this weird. probabilistic thing that nobody. understands everybody says if you if you. think you understand the quantum you. don't understand it it's mind-blowing. blah blah blah but the first part of it. is where we're trying to fit gravity and. when we quantize it I don't think. gravity goes in that slot I think that. what you do is you don't quantize.

gravity you harmonize gravity gravity is. the. Observer we say well when you make an. observation well who's doing the. observation is Joe doing the observation. is Jamie doing the observation who's. doing this observation who has the right. to use the second rule for collapsing. the state Vector with Schrodinger's Cat. and all entanglement. weirdness well I think it's gravity I. think that part of the story is that. gravity is the Observer through. something called a pullback. operation and when you realize that you.

realize that you don't naively quantize. Gravity the way you quantize everything. else in fact gravity is the only. field living on the successor to. SpaceTime if I'm correct there are two. spaces called X and Y all the cool stuff. in here the the electrons the quarks. that make up everything that you and I. are is living on why except for the. metric the rulers and the protractors. which lives on X which is how you keep. gravity separate and the unification is.

the unification of these two things in a. structure called a bundle now people. will go over this and I'm sure. professors will say well this is what. Eric was saying well he's full of [ __ ]. no no no he's actually making a. point this story about SpaceTime. engineering where you don't use the. Einstein field equations because you're. using the successor Theory rather than. in the Einstein theory the entire planet. was pulling on you when you needed to go. pee and your legs I mean obviously buff.

you're fit you just pulled against an. entire planet to get out of your chair. and you won that's how weak gravity is. that's how space and time is barely Bent. by all of Earth now you're going to tell. me about an alary uh warp drive where. okay no here's what's going on the ship. is inside of this little bubble of Warp. no it. isn't if somebody's SpaceTime. engineering and they can get here from. very far away they're not using general.

relativity in the standard model my. friends they're using a successor Theory. and we have become [ __ ] we are not. going to look at successor theories. because we've all learned the lesson. that everybody who tries to bet against. the standard model loses everybody who. bets against general relativity loses. and this is that speech that Morpheus. has to give like I'm not going to lie to. you neo everyone who's ever faced an. agent who stood his ground you know has. died it's like okay tough [ __ ] now it's. time are we Americans are we scientists.

are we Cowboys or you. know please tell me we're Travis. Pastrana and and not some sort of. diversity equity and inclusion. committee how is it that. we move forward well we take the. ultimate risk and what do we do it with. our credibility watch my Wikipedia entry. as I try to do this well what do you you. think they're using in terms of a. technology to achieve these results and. do you think that this is being examined.

and this is being researched here on. Earth or do you think we are being. visited I don't I don't know but I know. that if I were the federal government if. I was the department of. energy and if I were DARPA and if I were. any of these people and somebody went on. The Joe Rogan Experience with millions. of viewers and listeners and started. talking like this I would call them up. one of the last times I went on not the. last time but the time before that the. FBI called me.

immedi you laugh it's hilarious it's not. that. funny not to you I bet it was to the FBI. well watch Eric [ __ ] his pants well okay. why don't you have the department of. energy call me I mean well what did they. talk to you about uh we're concerned. about some of the stuff were. saying I think they thought I sounded. revolutionary like it's time for heads. on Pikes like. oh.

that oh yeah right CU like tulsy would. put heads on you know because Tulsa is. like like vad the Imp Impaler she's. going to be going around with a you know. chainsaw actually cutting people's heads. up she probably should phrase it. differently oh stop you say stuff. problematic you you say in in MMA that. guy's a straightup killer he's an. assassin you don't get a call from the. FBI no that's true that's true but that. is actually a. compliment if you use that for.

aaronfield in any event I get. occasionally called by somebody from. inside. and what I think they're doing first of. all one we may be faking a UFO uh. situation for reasons that I don't. understand if we are faking a UFO. situation do you think that there's. technology that's available to people in. the United States. that is beyond our current understanding. of what's. possible 90% no 90% no because it's very.

hard it's very hard to imagine. physicists continuing to work on nothing. for their entire careers the number of. people who are going to be retiring. shortly having never actually done. physics as a. physicist we're talking about wasted. lives people are going to be very weird. when they realize that they blew their. entire. career and I believe I can say what many. of these problems are and if you want to. humiliate me at a leading University.

just ask me to talk you can put it on. video you don't realize how many things. the standard model has subtly wrong when. we explain it to people it's not that. the lran is wrong not that the rules are. wrong but we say wrong stuff we say like. there are three generations that are. only of matter that are only. distinguished by mass in other words. there's three copies of this stuff here. this is like the wood version and then. there's the plastic version and then. there's the metal. version there aren't three there are two.

generations plus an extra impostor. generation which looks like a generation. I mean I can get into these things and. that should be a provocation somebody. says let's call this guy up have him out. and find figure out what he's talking. about doesn't matter I don't think we're. doing physics what do you think they're. doing I think we are playing paintball. rather than going to war and we're. giving prizes for generals who command. the command the best paintball Army and. then we're referencing everyone else. who's actually trying to figure out how. to. fight to well have you submitted to the.

paintball competition it's like no I. don't want to do paintball I understand. that it it keeps your skills up I. understand some of them are. transferable but I I mean like you've. been in street fights not since I was a. teenager yeah well I understand like I. haven't been for a long time it's. different than what you guys do in. Brazilian jitu there's lots of stuff. you're not allowed to do yeah right you. get in a street fight it's a completely. different thing. sure um what we're doing is not physics.

in the same. sense so what they're doing is they're. we're doing sa yeah exactly they're. exercising and and and the exercises are. keeping people limber they're keeping. people in a fighting mentality it's not. it's not that Brazilian jiu-jitsu has. nothing to do with fighting we've seen. people use it in the street for sure. right right but small joint manipulation. is part of Street Fighting eye gouging. is part of street fighting pulling a. knife is part of Street Fighting these.

things are not part of any reputable gym. that you might go to so I want to. do the thing that isn't. paintball and I didn't want to do it up. until recently because the danger of. unleashing a nutrino uh Neutron in the. world is so high now I realize I'm done. with that you guys are willing to play. with Putin you're not going to survive. you're not the responsible adults I. thought you were like if if I unleash a. neutron and and it leads to some sort of.

proliferation of deadly technology it's. on you it's not on. me you're already taking risks that you. shouldn't be. taking so. if you think 90% sure that this is not. coming from here you believe this. because you don't think that the proper. science in order to achieve these kind. of results is being done by the people. that you believe are capable of doing it. that is correct I know that for example. when I talk to Nema um or when I talk to.

Juan malesa or when I've talked to Natty. cyberg these people are absolutely. brilliant and they don't know the answer. unless they're the greatest actors I've. ever seen so the most brilliant. physicists are looking at. these supposed videos what is the best. most compelling that's UFO stuff talking. about then uh they're not talking about. things that can extend Einstein that. there my therefore to get back to your. technology question might have.

engineering applications because it's. the engineering applications that are. terrifying right right the discovery of. the neutron was one thing the teller. ulam design was its. weaponization so suddenly you know you. can do the Zar bomb or or uh Castle. Bravo these unbelievable explosions. which. like the difference between there are CI. there were Civil War veterans who saw. action in The Civil War who lived to see.

Ivy Mike in the. Pacific so the Civil War was almost a. thermonuclear war in terms of human. scale it's not it's less than a hundred. years. different people have forgotten how. terrifying important wonderful. jaw-dropping and awesome physics is. because it hasn't done anything that. completely screws your mind. like Hiroshima or Nagasaki or Castle. Bravo with Castle Bravo that was the. test in the Pacific where we thought it.

was going to be like controlled and like. or or was starfish we did an atmospheric. explosion over Hawaii and then the. Russians like hold my beer. Nova you know we remember I'm the guy 5. years ago who was saying we need above. ground nuclear tests because all you. people have lost lost your fear like yes. Eric is crazy but he's correct what's. this one that's Castle Bravo oh oh my.

God right like so they detonated in that. facility and they expected it to be far. smaller than it was you they detonated. in the Pacific. right but it's right next to that. facility that was in the video yeah that. was that the facility that was initially. film like yeah what is this facility. that's it was it inok I forget. atle so like we just it's crazy how long. ago that was and how close it was to the.

Civil War if you really put it in that. context well that's this is what I'm. trying to say is what I'm trying to tell. you look at that. you that's so insane have you done this. in Oculus no I have not I highly. recommend it they're not going to let us. do a nuke above ground so that we can. save ourselves by fear oh look at that. right this is Rel this is religious. stuff Joe yeah it is religious stff like. we are we we have announced if. somebody's listening to these tests that.

we. did my belief is very shortly before you. get the ability to tra Traverse the. cosmos if that is possible if that is. possible you let off a. nuke right it's like yeah it's like you. know you you've had kids there's some. stuff that happens right before they. figure out how to breing break out of. the crib you know that's part of UFO. folkl too fat man and little boy that's. a big part of UFO that once they dropped.

those that's when all the UFOs started. appearing so the question is is you. know the analogy I give so I talked to. Avi about the following thing I am a fan. of something I call the doubly. scientific. method the usual scientific method makes. a hidden assumption that it never voices. which is if we're going to study orcus. we assume that we are smarter than orcas. or if we're going to study seapods right. like an octopus we think we're smarter.

and what do we do we disguise ourselves. we create artificial environments we do. all sorts of crazy things based on the. fact that we're smarter than what we. study from everything from rocks to. Orcas the doubly scientific method says. okay assume that you're studying a rat. in a maze but you yourself are the rat. in somebody else's maze now you have to. look up the intelligence scale not just. down and in the doubly scientific method. you have to assume that whatever is. studying you is hiding from you the way.

you are hiding from your subjects so if. you see somebody in a Duck Blind for. example and he's studying Ducks you. understand that somebody may be hiding. from you and they might be able to use. multiple dimensions of time they might. be able to cloak themselves and disguise. themselves or for example if you take. microscopic UFOs um this GL this cup has. a radius of R and a circumference of 2. pi r the disc that it spans is p pi r. squared in area but if you look at this.

cup it's much larger than pi r squ. because we pushed it out you could have. a. sphere where if you could cheaply. engineer SpaceTime not through the. Einstein field equations but through the. successor theory that recovers Einstein. you could have an entire stadium inside. of a tennis ball just the way this cup. doesn't blow your mind until you realize. that its area is much greater than P pi. r squ you could why look for a Giant. floating thing in the sky if you could.

Bend space and time and you could play. with the rulers the way I'm. saying I would put this in a tiny little. profile. whoa so we're only looking at it in. terms of our understanding of the. distance between objects planets gravity. we're we're looking at that all that. stuff where if it didn't exist if. somehow or another we lived in some. contained environment we had no concept. of space whatsoever and then we gained.

access to it we would be unbelievably. overwhelmed if you lived in some sort of. underground facility your entire life. and then one day you got a chance to go. outside and see the kek observatory in. in Hawaii in a clear night with no moon. you would you would be overwhelmed you. wouldn't be able to believe that the. world was as big as it really was or. that the Universe was as big as it was. yeah it's an impedance mismatch if you. watch meteor showers the way my family. does. um uh it's it's religious it's it's it's.

transformational it's. Transcendent the problem as you know. from the default uh default mode Network. right is that mostly what your brain is. doing is not communicating information. but. screening right your eyes your phobia is. precious because that's the thing that. can resolve at very high. Jamie out. of peripheral vision be at theel as my. phob I'd be. overwhelmed so we're talking about.

tapping in to a picture of the world. that we are not our brain is not. prepared for the idea that time is. multi-dimensional that was the whole. point of giving Lex another. watch we don't have a way to think about. I'll meet you at 5:15 and. 12:30 according to two different scales. of time or for example time and space if. I'm correct the 14 dimensional manifold. that has all the quantum going on on it. is split probably seven in seven.

dimensions because we have six extra. time dimensions and four extra space add. add six to one and three to four and you. get seven so space and time are. interchangeable there there's a duality. between them all of this stuff is like. you know okay how you hit on chicks in a. bar hey let me tell you something about. space in time you never thought about oh. my God does that work what worked for. me that's why I'm not in better shape so.

do you think now when you were talking. about these people that want that keep. maning you and not giving you access to. whatever they're talking about do you. think they're talking about some sort of. an engineering solution to this type of. technology I haven't met anyone in. Striking Distance in three years so how. could they have something that you don't. that's going to change your way of. looking is it possible that you've. missed something I can just be wrong. first of all like this is my this is my.

life's work right what's the way they. phrased it to you which part the part. about it changing the way you see the. world. oh Eric you know like I'll complain. about data like that's not the data we. have what what we've been showing the. public is down sampled meaning it's it's. fuzzier it's low resolution. um like how clear is it as clear as you. want how clear are you that there's. something to see you can see it with.

your own. eyes there's no question dude if I was. you I'd just shut the [ __ ] up and let. them show me I'd be like let's go under. I'm not under any NDA I know but I'm. saying I but you want to know way yeah. but I want to know in a different look. my life's work is a is a theory it's one. Theory my entire life is really about. one Theory okay like I do this. entertainment thing and I talk to people. and all this stuff [ __ ] really what. I am is an academic who realized that. you can't do academics inside of the. University system and watch it dis.

disintegrate into madness as we speak I. figured this out a long time. ago I want to know whether this is right. or wrong so much better so much more. than I want to know whether UFOs exist. UFOs to me are an indication of whether. I'm right or. wrong you see it's data it's an input to. me mhm because so if you're right that. means if we have a future it means we. can leave not the planet but the solar. system we can exp the cosmos are.

traversible if we can leave anything. else can visit if you look at the. entirety of the universe and you imagine. that ultimately there are societies that. destroy themselves because they get. Atomic weapons before they figure out. how to leave some societies are smarter. than that and they'll be able to leave. and and colonize the cosmos and for them. not to be here would be Madness so if. you've heard my. analogy there is an island in the.

Andaman chain called North Sentinel. Island I know it well yeah North. Sentinel Island is my model potentially. of us we are the north Sentinal e the 39. people that are direct descendants of. people left Africa 60,000 years ago. right now the we don't know if there's. 39 or 300 that kill everybody who lands. there essentially there's a story that. we actually buggered them an English. person buggered them which is why they. don't want anyone Landing yeah there.

actually are some very weird videos. where we throw them coconuts because. coconuts don't occur in their Island and. we actually have non-hostile contact but. the most important part of it is. India they do not know that they are. claimed by something called India and. they don't know that they have a firmy. problem because India won't let anyone. land unless they break the. law so so the great filter of North. Sentinel Island is a model for why don't. we see anybody why aren't we clear does. India exist at some sort of UFO level.

now this is the doubly scientific method. you can laugh at it but then would you. laugh at the North stin who are smart. enough to say I wonder if there's. another Society that's screening. everybody from Landing. here now what happens on North Sentinel. Island if you're watching it all these. people with loin claws or no loin Claws. and Spears and arrows and stupid stuff. suddenly you start hearing radio signals. coming out of North Cal Island you're. like what then you see little mushroom. cloud on the northeast of the island.

then you see little boats that start. exploring around that seem to be. propelled internally you're like are. they burning the leaves have they. invented internal combust some point. with the mushroom cloud India says. enough is enough we cannot afford to let. the North Sentinel be treated as some. sort of backwards people who don't have. anything developed that scares us we. that that's a mushroom cloud man that. that's time to go. in I see right so my claim is is that. you're not used to the doubly scientific. method because there's been no reason to.

have a doubly scientific method do you. believe that the orcas are smarter well. possibly there aren't that many species. that are really smarter than us look at. all the [ __ ] we do there aren't many. that are dumber than us either but not. my point those sorts of models are what. distinguish people who are going to get. called crazy but aren't because it's an. obvious point you have to account for. this possibility that there's something. called India up in the skies that. doesn't want anyone Landing here right.

who's monitoring what's going on and. they're not going to be infinitely. patient if they exist now if that's true. and we can leave and we can't civilize. ourselves and we bring this mad. technology with us this ability to. destroy I personally feel responsible in. a way that my colleagues don't they have. these ideas like oh I'm a physicist it's. just fun it's really interesting it's a. bunch of puzzles my feeling is you. doomed the human race and you don't. feel responsible for building a Lifeboat.

for saving us. for. like what kind of associ aath are you. like I'm not even a physicist Joe and I. feel. responsible and this gets back you know. to to some weird stuff about so they're. not thinking about that they're thinking. about the equations they're working on. they're thinking about the puzzles. they're trying to solve it's fun I get. to play you know Universe this and. puzzle that and it's just like please.

it's not do do they not think of a way. to leave the Earth because they don't. think it's a surmountable correct they. live in SpaceTime they have crawled into. the map the prison built by Einstein and. they know that it's not. right because there are these two. singularities there's this Singularity. at the beginning of time which we call. the big bang assuming the time were. onedimensional and it's part of. something called the fredman Robertson. Walker SpaceTime model and there's.

another one at the bottom of the black. hole called the Schwarz Shield. Singularity and the fact that space and. time Kink at these two points is an. indication that we have something wrong. to a mathematician or a physicist it. says your equations work pretty well. right up into the point where there's. some error that you have that you don't. understand and you have division by zero. error and if you could figure out your. error you don't know what sin you. committed but the way that you know you. committed a sin is that you have a. singularity so they know that there's.

some successor Theory and they'll give. lectures about SpaceTime is doomed and. I'm going to talk about non-commutative. geometry but these are all ways of. avoiding the fact that you haven't done. your homework for 50 years okay so like. there's some class that you're supposed. to show up to and you haven't been in a. long time you don't want to show up and. suddenly say what what's going on um. that's what's happening they are living. inside of Einstein's model So when you. say something they'll say well that's. impossible because you can't go faster.

than the speed of light it's like that's. a space-time concept that's an. einsteinian concept you're not thinking. post einsteinian you're not thinking. about recovering Einstein or Einstein is. what we would call an effective Theory. you're thinking that you really live in. SpaceTime so you know what you can do. and then you fold your arms and say well. that's impossible it's like no you have. a limited map you think that. you know Greenland is the same size as. North as uh South America okay then as. far as its. application what could you.

imagine would be a way that someone. could actually. apply these laws these theories so. imagine for the moment again this goes. back to let me put my my Eric the. science person doing his own Theory. right this is my thing that I tried to. give last time I was. here if we imagine that uh there are two. spaces and one of them is 14 dimensional.

and one of them is four-dimensional and. gravity connects them that is the metric. the gadget think of a. phonograph the record is like the. 14-dimensional. world and are you a doors fan yeah okay. so you got doors one Break On Through To. The Other Side is on the same side as. the Soul Kitchen you don't hear Break On. Through To the other side or Soul. Kitchen. simultaneously they're both there on the. record.

right the phonograph imagine you're. doing it on a victrola somehow you got a. your. retro you're listening to that record in. four dimensions but it's a 14. dimensional record so you and I are. playing back a 14-dimensional Quantum. world but we're only playing back slices. of it so the I usion is that we're. having a four-dimensional conversation. because the victrola part that that. phone his master's voice is the. four-dimensional thing and what's the. stylus it's the metric it's Gravity the.

stylus is pulling off different data. that is simultaneously existing so it's. like the record is the Multiverse but. you don't think of it in these terms you. don't freak out and say oh my God I'm. holding the Multiverse because Light My. Fire is somewhat adjacent to Soul. Kitchen. that is my structure that's what I. believe is true and we're having the. discussion is if it's only the. phonograph uh the victrola part.

mhm if you could then go to the record. you don't have to scratch your way back. you can do these weird moves where you. can alight the stylus in different. places and Shrink things and grow things. and change the Angles and all this stuff. and you have engineering possibilities. like I'm I will say what I believe the. internal properties of the particles. that we have yet to find the dark matter. if you. will are I will tell you places that I.

believe the standard model is wrong and. I'm happy to go down on the ship and. move on with my life if I'm wrong but I. can't I've been 40 years trying to have. this conversation with a competent. person and every excuse Under the Sun is. used to avoid talking about what I'm. saying and and I'll say some stuff that. when I 1987 around I proposed a set of. equations that were like the junior. version of geometric. Unity I was told that those equations.

were insufficiently. nonlinear that they involve Spinners and. Spinners have nothing to do with. something called. self-duality that um I'd violated the. spin statistics the a whole bunch of. things and I was invited to leave. Harvard where they said you have to move. out of Massachusetts. you cannot live in Massachusetts and I. said you don't have the right to tell me. where I can live that's not part of our. agreement um they said well if you want.

to continue in this department you have. to move out of. Massachusetts I only what what was the. reasoning behind that they thought I was. wrong and crazy so but well let me. keep in. 1994 Ed. Whitten is at giving a. lecture uh in the main seminar room in. building 2 in the MIT math department. where I am now a postto under a National. Science Foundation Fellowship so I had.

gone through huge trouble and I'd. crawled back on. top and edwt says the self-duality. revolution which is related to Jim. Simon's work which I was saying. before he says theoretically you don't. have to deal with these super. complicated equations anymore he doesn't. say what replaces them. and a guy named I think Alan nson who's. now a Cornell I think raises his hand. like a punk and he says uh do you want. to tell us what equations we would use.

instead and Ed Wht writes down these two. sets these set of two. equations and I look at them and I say. those are the equations that I proposed. at Harvard in like five years ago or. what it seven years. ago and I said huh that's really. interesting he's about to get told. that they're insufficiently nonlinear. that they involve Spinners which can't. possibly involve self-duality and that. he's violated spin statistics and I'm. looking forward to watching what happens.

when Ed Wht is told. this couple weeks later I'm at the MIT. commissary with is singer and the math. physics group and a guy named andr senes. Hungarian brilliant guy now in Geneva I. think says have you heard the news he. comes by so what news. all of Donaldson theory in self-dual. equations is. falling it's like what it's like they. were using the wrong equations. everything has become trivially.

easy um can you bring up an article. called gauge theory is dead Long Live. gauge. Theory so like I I didn't want to tell. these stories the last time I this is. like super painful but I'm done with. this stuff I'm just completely done with. this so. you see there was this thing called the. self-dual. equations. which Isidor singer brought to Michael. latia and Nigel Hitchin oh the other one.

was uh if if Spinners were involved. Nigel Hitchin would know and he would. have told us which is [ __ ] keep. going to the next page the new gauge. there you see those two equations da of. 5 equals z I had written SII rather than. Fi Fi has to do with uh the spin of the. field but fa plus equals I I had written. these things down in a slightly. different form and had been effectively. laughed out of Harvard for. this and it turns out that what was.

going on. was uh Ed Whitten had written these. things down and now all of these people. were. converted and a lecture is given at room. 507 in the Harvard math department on. the fifth floor across from the office. of a guy named RL bot who is absolutely. not my adviser but the internet is deter. determined to make him my adviser it's. making me really upset R bot is my hero. but he was not my adviser he's a great. man and you shouldn't do that to him and. you shouldn't do that to.

me so I go to this lecture and the. person giving it who really the closest. thing to I had to an adviser if it's not. a guy named draw barnatan is the brother. of somebody you've had on your program. you've had Gary tabs on your program his. brother is named Clifford. tabs and Clifford. tabs had picked a fight with. Princeton and he had said you know these. guys at Princeton we work our asses off. to get these results in Donaldson Theory.

these equations are so hard and then. always after the fact Princeton tells us. what we're really doing you know thanks. gu so it's a fight between Cambridge and. Princeton and now he's got to eat crow. okay so he's giving this lecture and he. titles it wht's magical equations this. is the same guy who tells me I can't. live in. Massachusetts in. 1987 and he's going on he's like saying. this is the greatest day of my life I. was a I was in prison I was working at.

hard labor for 10 years these equations. make everything trivially easy I am. sitting in the back row of room 507. picking my nose and a guy in the front. seat the right hand side is named David. kajon one of the most brilliant people. on the planet and he usually falls. asleep during the lecture he's like a. Soviet Jew who got through the. anti-semitic system at Moscow State like. unbelievable mind and he says excuse me. cliff didn't we have a student at some. point who told us to look at the spinner. bundles and maybe these equations and.

cliff goes white as a ghost and I'm. picking my nose right nostril and the. entire room swivels and looks at me and. then I realize like everybody actually. remembers what I was saying and my. thesis is on the spinner bundles all. this. stuff and I have this question do I tell. them the whole Theory. and I left mathematics at that moment I. just. decided I can't trust you people cliff. knows the answer Cliff is supposed to.

say you know Eric told me to look at. that and he won't do it he's sitting. there giving the credit not even to. cyberg and Whitten who are the two. people who do these equations he's. giving a whole thing to Whitten because. he's scared because he's apologizing. he's saying I screwed up I doubted you. Princeton Princeton was right Harvard. was wrong new Jersey beats Massachusetts. tough [ __ ] that's the way it goes but. Massachusetts actually had an entrance. in that game and that was. me and then Isidor singer writes.

somewhere in one of his papers you know. I learned about this years ago um before. from from Eric Weinstein a paper with. Cano and uh. Balu so this was my trajectory this is. why I left mathematics in part because I. realized that there was just no honor. there was no way of. making a name and and like people are. just going to give away my stuff so when. I when I did this draft of gu I said I'm. an Entertainer people don't have any.

clue why it's because I have copyright. protection if I release a work of. entertainment you can't just name it. after yourself or your friend or whoever. you're upset with you know that might. hurt you it's like that's mine it's my. work of entertainment I own the portal. podcast tough [ __ ]. now all that is long in the past I don't. want the cyberg Wht equations which is. what they're now called Natty cyberg and. I have worked this out years ago at a. meeting in San Francisco he got $3.

million I forced him to give me a hug in. front of the institute for advanced. study call it even this is so much. bigger than this those things the cyberg. Gritten equations is the barest. thumbnail of what's. coming. and if we don't use this stuff we're. doomed here with XI and Biden and kamla. and Trump and Putin and zalinski and. kamany and all of these.

idiots we're not going to make. it what I work on where I've disappeared. where's the portal we like the portal. you know it's. like do you notice how everything that. you love gets destroyed Jordan Peterson. Brett Weinstein Sam Harris even Lex. Freedman they go after Lex Freedman. after I warn Lex they're going to come. for you because of his reading listed. because they Mis portray him as if he's. claiming to be an MIT Professor which. he's never claimed in his.

life they destroy all of us if we don't. sing from the Himel this is so important. to me because it's hope if I'm wrong. then maybe we don't have a plan a way. off this planet maybe we don't have a. way to the solar system out of the solar. system that's bad. news what would be the technology that. would harness this you would figure out. how to do the stuff on the. record rather than the phonograph the. vrola you would start to move the.

space-time metric you would move along. the directions of the metric not using. the Einstein field. equations so you would try to figure out. okay if we're in flatland here a. four-dimensional slice of a 14. dimensional world how do I go what we I. have to say it in my own language along. the 10-dimensional normal bundle in. other words 14 equals four dimensions we. know plus 10 we don't call the 10 we. don't the normal bundle you'd start. navigating in the normal bundle you'd. stop you start stop thinking about this.

sound coming out of the victrola you'd. say that's three components there's a. stylus there's a horn and there's a. record and you'd engineer around that so. that you had a really efficient way to. go very far or to to Circle back in time. without going back through times you try. to figure out what can I do with the. stylus where can I put the stylus on the. record to get different and what. technology would you employ to do that. well so first of all we know about three. families of matter like this is made.

everything you see around you is made of. the first family of matter it's all up. quirks down quirks electrons and you and. I are being penetrated as much as that's. very distasteful by neutrinos that's the. first family of matter okay then there's. a second family where the up and down. quirks are replaced by charm and strange. the neutrino is replaced by the muon. nutrino the electron is replaced by the. muon and then there's a third one where. the muon is replaced by the TOA top. bottom and to neutrinos.

okay if I'm correct there are two. additional generations of matter that. are not or families of matter that are. not Generations they don't have the same. structure as the ones we already know. some of them are something called spin. three Hales and some of them are exotic. spin one half matter so first of all if. have dark matter that you have no idea. of you can't do dark chemistry but if. you do have an idea then you can guess. at what dark chemistry would be you'll. have dark. light um everything you see here is spun.

uh left-handed if it's matter and spun. right-handed if it's. anti-matter my claim is we are. decoupled from matter that spins right. and antimatter that spins left but in a. low gravitational. environment it's like my left and my. hand right hand don't know each other so. we have it you know you have the. asymmetry of a hand which is you say oh. digits two and four look like each other. the middle finger is the is the axis of.

symmetry and unfortunately the pinky and. the thumb look wildly different but. let's fudge it and imagine that there's. a symmetry suddenly you realize. neurologically you're disconnected and. it's thumb to thumb on a different hand. you didn't know anything about so my. claim is I believe that this world that. appears to have a left-handed. right-handed nature like Cindy Crawford. has a beauty mark so you know whether a. photo is of her or her Mirror Image mhm. there's like another Cindy Crawford with. the beauty mark on the other.

side sorry I'm Da dating myself people. but that world would have engineering. possibilities to do dark. chemistry we would have additional. forces normally we get additional forces. through something called Grand. unification where we use theories called. su5 and spin 10 or S so10 and those are. the wrong flavors of the right idea the. right flavor would be called spin 6. comma 4 and su5 would be replaced by su3.

comma 2 so there would be new. unifications new forces it would produce. new problems because when you put that. comma you know three comma two you. create something that is more space-. timey than more part than particle. physics so there's stuff we don't know. how to deal with but you see there's. nothing in the laws of physics that say. the the rules of the. universe will conform to what particle. theorists currently know how to handle. nature seems to know things we don't. know how to do and the time is ended for.

us to tell nature you can't have this or. you must have that because we don't know. how to handle you otherwise tough luck. it's the forces are different the. opportunities are different something. called the ptis Salam. Theory uh of grand unification is tied. to the Einstein theory and what I want. to do is to say can I get people Lawyers. Guns and Money to investigate this so. that we can go Traverse the cosmos I. don't know how to do the engineering any.

more than the person who invented the. neutron was it Chadwick or who's the one. who found it he wasn't Lee miter who. figured out the chain reaction and she. wasn't Enrico fery who figured out how. to do it experimentally that wasn't. Trinity which was the Manhattan Project. and they weren't teller and ulam so it's. not on Eric to figure out how to do the. engineering project I need. people what could you imagine would be. involved in figuring out a way to. harness that like and actually utilize.

it and actually go interdimensionally. like what what would you have to do what. kind of power would have to be generated. like what would be involved so what. wouldn't be involved is getting an. entire planet to put a tiny dent in. SpaceTime because that's not going to. work it would be a question of saying I. know about more degrees of freedom are. those degrees of freedom accessible and. to to give you an idea of what's. involved if you take a proton with two.

up quirks and a down Quirk so put two. U's and a d inside of a ball you call a. proton you're tempted to say okay if. those are hard little balls inside I. want to pull one. out doesn't work the equations have. something that used to be called infr. slavery but we're not allowed to say the. word slavery because of diversity. include I'm going to say slavery because. I'm here you cannot pull a quark out of. a proton so what looks like a degree of. freedom is not accessible to you in the.

equations you see up quirks and down. quirks you don't see protons and. neutrons but the consequence of the Ed. of the equations is protons and neutrons. right so when you look at the equations. you can't tell is that accessible or. inaccessible to bring it back to the UFO. point the the reason UFOs matter to me. is if they're here then these degrees of. freedom are accessible and if they're. not here then it's probably like protons. being filled with up quirks and down. quirks that we can't engineer the.

consequences of Quark structure inside. of the atom industrially are. zero we've been at this since you're. born went 67 MH the year after you're. born we find quirks we have zero. industrial. applications all right that means you. have to think about both possibilities. one that these things are actionable if. they're right so first of all Eric can. be wrong and I'm happy to be wrong if. I'm wrong or I can be right if I'm right.

then it splits into a second leg level. of the decision tree maybe the new. degrees of freedom are things we can. play with at the engineering level and. maybe they're inaccessible just the way. we can't play with up quirks and down. quirks. directly if we can play with it then. we've got so many new toys you have no. idea new forces new matter new. possibilities to flit in and out between. dark and light matter but from an. engineering perspective how how would. you make any of this.

happen you would build. something based on new plans that did. something that nothing else could do so. to give an example in the late 50s we. thought we knew electromagnetism cold. we've been playing it with with it since. Maxwell's time right two guys named Aon. off and bom said here's a crazy. experiment take a tube that's perfectly. insulated almost and run current through. it and then pass an electron beam from.

like a cathode ray tube and reflect it. off mirrors and see when it comes back. and interferes with itself how how it. interferes if it's perfectly influence. uh. insulated it shouldn't be able to tell. whether there's current running through. the center of the solenoid of that tube. tube turns out when you turn on the tube. and you run current through it the. Electron Beam can detect whether there's. current running through it through. magic technically magic here means.

something called. homi we didn't know that the. electromagnetic fields are not where. electromagnetism really happens it's. something called the electromagnetic. potential it's a precursor that actually. determines the universe it determines. the electromagnetic fields but but this. weird thing where somehow the current. inside a perfectly insulated tube is. influencing the world outside of it was. like holy smokes we we've been living. with this stuff for how long we had no.

idea how it works the way You' do this. is we we'd get together with a bunch of. people and we'd say if Eric is correct. or somebody else is correct and you. started to play with. this extended model of both general. relativity and the standard. model what are some experiments we could. run that you think would have no actual. content just the way the Aon off bom. experiment looks like it's not going to. do anything or the Casmir effect or.

finding out that beta Decay radioactive. decay knows its left from its right. these are all hugely surprising. discoveries I don't know how to do that. and this is one of the reasons I keep. talking to Brian keading who's an. experimentalist because what you see. here in the studio is 100% the theorists. you only invite theorists from physics. you don't invite experimentalists I. don't know how to talk to the. experimentalist but that's why I go down. to the University of California San. Diego and play down there because I want.

to talk to people who are like how do. how do we build this you're the. engineers you're the a physics tell me. what tell me what I'm saying in terms. that we can build something and actually. see if it has consequences and what. could it be in terms of like building. something imagine for example that you. look at the equivalence principle. right so the equivalence principle says. that the inertial mass how much mass. something appears to have when it's. moving how resistant it is to force. that's the same according to Einstein as.

the gravitational force right the. gravitational Mass so gravitational Mass. equals inertial mass there are like a. whole bunch of different flavors of mass. that happen to all be equal according to. different. principles according to something called. spontaneous symmetry breaking. mass is generated by the interaction. with the higs field in general it's not. a number the way we thought it was coded. into an equation it's something we would. call a vacuum expectation value through.

a ukawa coupling never mind it's that. thing about the molassus causes the mass. to feel heavier even though the mass of. the cup hasn't changed because it's. requiring more and more Force to. push if what we have is a bunch of. different kinds of masks we might be. able to break some of these things like. the equivalence principle we might be. able to generate negative Mass which is. not technically. excluded but is incredibly hard to think.

about we might be able to do things. right the only way we keep Mass always. positive is by putting in artificial. conditions if you have a bigger Theory. you start to realize how you would do. these things. naturally so for example we might be. able to dial the mass of things. differently by actually engineering the. thing that we call the higs. field the higs field is the only thing. that doesn't spin that is fundamental. when we spin SpaceTime and they've.

detected the higs bosen on a large an. large hyron collider right 100% 2012 I. think so but this is an enormous. collider right I mean to be able to. generate the higs it had to go through. how many kilometers and. it's an enormous piece of equipment. right but that's in part because it's a. stupid piece of equipment what we're. really doing is banging rocks together. except the rocks are called protons so.

you're thinking there could be an. engineering solution where you could. generate something like that but from a. much smaller footprint 100% that's a. possibility because right now what we're. doing is we're using electromagnetism. only the only force that we actually. have engineering power over is. electromagnetism. ISM like when we do chemistry so you. fertilize your lawn you're using. electron orbitals based on. electromagnetism between the proton and. the electron in an atom or molecule we.

don't know how to inter interfere with. the weak force or the or the. gravitational force both of those are so. weak that they're impossible and the. strong force is crazily nuclear in super. short range so we've got control of one. out of four. forces I can tell you what I believe the. additional forces are but what I need is. I need people who are closer to. engineering experiment and standard. Theory I mean I'm not even a physicist. Joe so I right what I'm what I'm curious. about is like what caused this shift in.

you to think about UFOs and UFO reports. has being credible because we're talking. theoretically and you're talking about. your understanding of Dimensions because. I thought it was not I thought it was a. smoke screen that we were using to do. aerospace engineering projects I thought. it was like Operation Fortitude or op. operation bodyguard and so it's like. okay please don't bother me with your. sci-fi. stories it's Space Opera you know for. the same reason that I don't go into a. Scientology Center and spend all my time.

thinking about zenu I'm not going to. spend all my time worried about space. oper and what. changed meeting an enormous number of. very sober very grownup people who seem. to be changed alter and believe that. this is real I have met an enormous. orous number of people now who have had. personal firsthand like sober people. who've had crazy firsthand encounters I. don't understand how they're doing this.

as actors very often it's unwanted it. ruins their lives it's sad you know I. ended up in San Marino uh at Lou alzando. invitation then Lou couldn't come so I. ended up speaking in loose place at a. UFO me he was crazy but I met so many. people who were just like Eric you know. let me explain my experience to you and. I'm just not prepared for these highly. detailed stories that have so much. similarity one to the next you know like. the Skinwalker Ranch thing on uh the.

History Channel is look looks incredibly. junky put out by Prometheus. entertainment I know Brandon fugle the. owner of the ranch and I know Eric Bard. we keep talking via. phone Eric Bard is like almost the only. other person who has some idea of what. differential forms are tensor analysis. is he's a sober. normal human being sitting out there on. a ranch trying to figure out what the. hell he's looking at I don't think he's. lying to me and I don't think Brandon is.

lying to me and then you hear their. stories like the Gary Nolan thing I was. completely unpr have you dealt with Gary. no I watched him on Lex though I think. Gary told me a story where he's like. dealing with a subject he's a medical. guy and that's how he got involved with. this and you know somehow the medic. medical person the medical person that. he is is talking to a subject who says. you know I encountered a spinning disc. in the sky or whatever and a ball of. light comes brother another one of these. stories and he's like you know the ball.

of light entered my body and I was in. pain but I it was okay and it exited and. whatever and then Gary looks at the. person and there's a path of necrosis. exactly where the person. describes this thing entering and. exiting like what are you are you like. tell me what the level of conspiracy is. here that would be necessary to get all. of this indirect evidence and this is. the the basic puzzle of UFOs zero. responsible adult direct evidence in the. public domain zero so far as I can.

tell more indirect evidence than you can. possibly imagine with sober normal. people claiming things that I can't. believe firsthand. stuff and then and then it gets weirder. and worse from that I would love to keep. this just at metallic flying objects but. like no it's always going to be like no. they they go under the water and then. you know the next level is like cattle. mutilation it's like please don't bring.

in cattle mutilation oh yeah the stapes. you know the smallest bone in the body. the three bones that make mammals. mammals uh you know one of them seems to. be frequently missing and then like Paul. helier and Kim Eed and Ben Rich then. there this like crazy level where the. former Canadian Canadian defense. minister believes that there's a. Galactic Federation the humans are in. contact and they is head of the Israeli. SP it's like enough I can't handle it I.

don't know what we're looking at and I'd. love to keep it at something sober and I. see Zero direct evidence if we're going. to go on the direct evidence Elon is. right it's. [ __ ] tough luck but I don't know how. this amount of indirect evidence. occurs because I don't think the. government is capable of Faking this on. the other hand if we go by the indirect. evidence how is it that none of us have. like even the center of mass coordinates. of this Tic Tac you you'll never hear me. talking about the Tic Tac or the.

Zimbabwe kids or whatever why because. since the mid-70s we've been able to do. CGI in Star Wars that looks much more. realistic than any video I've ever seen. so you you can show me any video and I. don't care it's just not interesting to. me we don't have Center of mass. coordinates for this Tik that's claimed. by the US government over the nits. please oh because it's sensitive we. don't stop it shut up hush so is that. they don't have it they won't release no.

no they claim it's not releas it can't. be released to the public right and I'm. like so down sample it Dr reses it's not. even our ship. people you're claiming it's something. you can't understand and you have the 3D. coordinates and I can't play with it in. a model on like Google Earth or SketchUp. or something. go f yourselves you're going to. stovepipe this need to know I have a. need to know I'm trying to do science is. that the most compelling one to you the. Tic. Tac take your pick it has the most the.

most qualified people watching it yeah. but I don't I don't want to get involved. with go fast or gimbal or this or that. or the Phoenix lights or the Belgium. it's. like stop teasing me yeah. this is the Meredith Baker problem when. I was a 14-year-old guy I thought. Meredith Baker was the hottest thing in. the world I wanted to go out with her. what it's a girl you knew yeah okay yeah. and every time I asked her out she's.

like I really want to go out with you. but I really have to wash my hair or I. really have to hang out with my I like. this is not going for. well at some point somebody pulls me. aside and say Eric you're Jewish she's. Mormon get the hint she love she likes. you but there was nothing going to. happen okay I get it this is Meredith. Baker you don't want for some reason to. tell me what's actually going on then. don't waste my time don't spend my. credibility do you think that they don't.

want to release the information because. they're still trying to digest it. themselves and they don't want it to get. out publicly and get into the hands of. I'm smart enough to figure this out I. believe wouldn't if there was something. that was beyond our understanding you. want you you want that data to be. released can we have a glass of of. something so that I can hide behind the. fact that I had a sip of alcohol all. right I'm going to take a leak again and. we'll come back with ice and alcohol for. Eric perfect. apparently cheers sir cheers all right.

now you got your excuse. okay let's talk crazy all right that's. good um is good thank. you Glenn morange Mori is that how you. say it I don't know how's it spelled I. thought it was Mori yeah how you say it. Glenn more orangy Glen more. orangy I'd call it mangi but I don't. think that's right either I think it's. Mori Glenn moreni uh 18 I thought it was. Glen Mori um so where were we you wanted.

to know what I think is really going on. yeah what it was really going on there. um one possibility is we did a lot of. bad stuff and we cannot get out of the. fact that if we release what it is that. we actually know and what has been going. on there's going to be a lot of. consequence bad stuff as in. maybe people got killed maybe people. were made crazy when they weren't crazy. because they saw things so if you think. about. um you know about de confliction de.

confliction yeah no if you have a Blue. on Blue. situation that means that two official. representatives of the US government are. stumbling over each other you've got. local law enforcement like the first. scene of The. Matrix um is they got really [ __ ]. intimidating Joe now I'm. scared um just ask. ifs oh. wow nicely done us alerted Russia to.

Biden's Ukraine visit for deconfliction. purposes wow so hey don't blow up this. city because Biden's going to be there. and the there are three systems that. stop the first scene in The Matrix where. the agents show up in local law. enforcement is like I think we can. handle one little girl right no. Lieutenant your men are already dead. that's a deconfliction. situation we have three things I think. called case. Explorer uh RIS is safe and.

um oh God sa safety net we don't know. about these things because this is only. for grown-ups in the government so they. have to like file what it is that. they're doing and then oh we've got an. undercover agent who's posing as a. Colombian drug lord don't bust him. because we've got like 10 years invested. in this thing so I tried to use this. system I called up I think case Explorer. for South Florida I got into a half an.

hour okay case explor okay I wonder how. you. found uh try um RS safe I think that's. the one I don't want to keep looking up. all these websites yeah he's going to. get in trouble flagged but I'll do it. I'll do it. um so This Is How They deconflict Blue. on Blue but you see you and I are also. blue we're having a conversation and we. may be stumbling on something the. government doesn't want us to know which.

is what happened when covid may be. Spilled Out yeah you see officer safety. event deconfliction system safeguarding. law enforcement through information. sharing right so this is how they play. keep away from the rest of us where they. tell each other what they're doing and. the rest of us can't know what's going. going on now when you say Blue on Blue. there's a situation that I want to give. a name to because it doesn't have a name. which I'm going to call baby on Cobalt. and Cobalt on baby baby and Cobalt are. two forms of blue cobalt is government.

and baby is like civilians like you and. me what happens when a civilian. stumbles on one of these operations. they're not allowed to use these systems. I I called up the south Florida I think. case Explorer had a half an hour. conversation they were telling me all. sorts of stuff and I said I'd like to. hear about uh Jeffrey Epstein like who's. calling I'm a private citizen uh this. call will be terminated in 5 seconds and. then they they hung up on me so I.

realized okay ordinary human beings. cannot use these. systems I think a lot of what's going on. is that we keep. tripping. over government operations in the Cobalt. sector but we're baby blue and they. don't have any system for for figuring. out how to get rid of a civilian who. stumbles on it like a drug smuggling. operation like okay so Jeffrey epin. traffics your daughter what do you do if. he's an intelligence asset you don't.

know you just want the creep away from. your kid so you file a complaint or. whatever now you've got a situation. where they don't know what to do because. you've got a civilian and you've got. some sort of super secret dark thing. that isn't supposed to. exist my claim is that conspiracy. theorist is is basically uh Cobalt on. baby in other words the government. warning a private citizen get away from. that thing okay we will start to destroy. your reputation if you do not cease and. desist but there's no plan so if you.

were the guy who figured out D-Day he. like wow these are there's a huge. increase in the inflatable balloons I. think that they might be tanks there's. no troops under that uh Army designation. you'd be a threat to this incredible. operation because you have free speech. and nobody knows how to shut you up. right so consider that none of us know. the answer to what does the government. do when private citizens start to figure. out statecraft narratives are [ __ ]. so for example Jeff Sachs was called in.

to supervise the investigation into the. origin of covid at the Lancet and he. puts in place all of the people who are. involved with this through uh Peter daik. he later figures out oh my God I just. put the foxes in charge of the hen house. m and he Blows the Whistle so what if we. have like a um since the 1970s a. 45-year-old workaround of the biological. weapons. convention in Wuhan we've created this. thing called one Health and the Eco.

Health Alliance we took over as a hippie. charity and if you ever take a look at. the board of advisers of Eco Health. Alliance it's wildly overpowered. including my old Mentor uh who's the. head of the Sloan foundation and the ex-. head of the National Science Foundation. none of you guys look at the board of. directors crazy. we keep tripping on these official. statecraft narratives that's why they. won't let us question the zalinsky stuff. they won't let us question the origin of. covid they won't let us question the. vaccines they won't let us question. whether they're are.

Therapeutics these are all Cobalt on. baby things it's horse Dormer what's. wrong with you people you're all. lunatics you're you're pathological. losers okay I get it you're just. destroying my Wikipedia entry because I. keep asking questions because actually. you need to have a Time out you're out. of control I'm fine but you're going to. turn this into pathologizing when you. pathologize people who've seen the truth. now you've got a real problem you gaslit. American citizens because you couldn't. do your effing job really that's.

interesting did you kill anyone did you. do wet work did you do digital wet work. what did we just find out from the. Twitter files right how many times did I. say I'm being throttled I'm being. manipulated um the government doesn't. want to take responsibility we have this. what is it gec that's uh from the state. department we have cisa inside of the. Department of homel Security these. people are creating fake conversations. on Twitter they're creating fake reports. about The Hunter Biden laptop to. influence the election we didn't have a.

free and fair election it had nothing to. do with ballot stuffing or. miscounting so I believe that partially. why we're not talking is that we've done. so many bad things around UFOs that we. don't want to come clean wow that's. interesting okay so that's one. thing two. if there's imagine that there's one. enormous update coming like your life is. partially a. lie I think many of us have figured out. that we originally believed that it was.

Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone and now. we're not quite so. sure right I don't know do you know that. it was Lee Harvey Oswell well certainly. the Warren report doesn't hold a lot of. water with me. anymore a lot of us are going to have to. deal with the fact that a lot of what. we've been taught is crazy is not crazy. like the fact that this virus seems to. have come out of a lab where we were. trying to figure out how to put a fur in. cleavage site into a humanized Corona. virus and we're leaving in place the.

exact architecture that got us into this. meth without hearings without hearings. there's no way we would do this without. hearings so what we're seeing is we're. seeing an explosion a collision between. social media empowered humans who are. smart trying to figure out the story and. the government stonewalling us so that. we can't figure out our own lives like. what did my children get injected or. infected with something that came out of. your stupidity because Ralph baric and. Peter daik can't do their goddamn jobs. maybe are we going to have a tribunal.

about the fact that you infected planet. Earth and you decreased human life. expectancy by causing us to fight a. different covid envir you know infection. every year maybe these are hugely. consequential issues and I believe that. UFOs are in part a hugely consequential. issues for reasons that may have to do. with the fact that this is of the fake. version right it's not Overlord it's. bodyguard or fortitude like I don't know. but we've certainly gaslit people and I. think we're not prepared to take. responsibility for ruining the lives of.

ordinary Americans who were smart and. honest because we couldn't do our jobs. in the intelligence and defense. communities what do you think is. responsible for the shift in. communication about this stuff now. because in the past no one would. acknowledge it no one would talk about. it now they're talking about it fair. openly and they're discussing it when I. think about things like that I go well. there's a cynic in me that says oh if. they're saying this and it's probably. horeshit they're probably covering up. for some drones that they've created. they are you think well yes in other.

words the UFO phenomena is multiple. things we know that it's a cover story. for things like the stealth bomber we. also know that it's a cover that it's. cover story for our inability to take. action against surveillance overflights. of durables and balloons we also know. that it's people missing things like. I've seen two UFOs. recently that fooled other people but I. was able to figure out partially one. with the help of Mick West who is my.

antagonist but also we're sort of we're. Frenemies kind of um and the other one. was like a myar balloon that looked like. a spherical fireworks display off the. coast between Malibu and Catalina the. way it was being reflected by the. sunlight yeah you know the thing people. don't understand about myar balloons is. that at night a balloons is a very. confusing object to encounter because. all you're seeing is like randomly. scattered light and it's like oh my God. you know this is like the Phoenix Lights. and I have sense I have like video of. people in line at a Thai restaurant.

saying oh my god I've never seen. anything like this of course I go across. the street to investigate and it says. happy. birthday so there's no question that. it's a certain amount of people wanting. to see things that aren't there yes. that's a big attraction yep um so this. desire thing you have to moderate your. desire yes. it's certainly a cover. story it's certainly. um stuff we can't. explain but the claim really coming from. inside the Beast is we've seen stuff.

that is so clear that we know that. there's something there and Eric we just. can't show it to you and by the way the. reason that it seems to be uh government. restricted first of all it's very hard. to take good video with a phone I don't. know if you've noticed this they're. getting better at it. I found like I now spend my flights I. take the window seat and I sit there. with my camera glued uh to the window. under. um stop action what is it called slow-mo.

right or not slow-mo the time lapse. there I I'm up in the sky for a long. time there's basically nothing up there. but you're trying to find things on your. phone but in part it's like I do this. thing where I take license plates and. every time I see a license plate with. three letters like NSA or MIT I I take a. picture of it I have a huge number of. these things because I'm trying to train. my brain here's what random noise looks. like like in other words it's not. telling you to do something it's not if.

it says BTC I shouldn't go out and buy a. bunch of Bitcoin right um people don't. realize that you have to train yourself. because you're going to see lots of. patterns once you start looking for them. in finance I I used to build random. number generators that had the. correlation of the markets and I would. generate pictures and the financial. professor professionals would say oh. we've got to buy this is a classic Head. and Shoulders pattern and there's going. to break out at such it's like I. generated this out of a simulator. written in Python um so people are just. they want to believe so much yeah that.

they're going to lie it's an issue yeah. it's an issue with Bigfoot it's an issue. with everything it's an issue with all. of us it's an issue with me too I have. desires and I have to keep my desires in. check yeah everyone I have them horrible. horrible with the unknown horrible with. UFOs horrible we have to camp and DeCamp. and that's what I think what you do is. great which is you sort of believe and. then you say I give up I change right I. go back and forth well that's what I do. now at the end of the day once you've. pulled out all the mundane things the. question is is there a res residue left.

of things that actually are. mind-blowing I can't tell you until I. actually see stuff that somebody's. willing to say we captured this it looks. like this but I can tell you that I. assured. repeatedly by people who seem incredibly. sober who not seem to be great actors. that they have seen amazing things we. have data that is as clear as you can. imagine and we can't release it and then. you have this question of is there. anyone smart who's trained in this very.

small number of areas who's looked at. this or are you just going to like. eyeball it and pretend that it violates. physical law when you don't even know. physical you don't know physical law so. far as I know Eric W Davis is the top. person who knows what it tensor is on. this project are you are you kidding me. try to imagine that you're trying to do. the Manhattan Project with with the. K-pop. groups it's that big of a. difference people will say well we have.

electrical engineers like I don't care. I'm talking Quantum field theorist I'm. talking differential geometry general. relativity and and people are tired of. you like you're an elitist you're not oh. go [ __ ]. your I shouldn't have said that please. Ed soft what you said it really soft I. know I know it was very soft go [ __ ] but. it's just like one of the kindest. ever it was no anger in your voice I'm. trying to be an adult but it's been. three years you've been wasting my time. yeah you say the word stove pipe as if. it means something shut up and show us.

what you've got we're your team so I. like your theory that they're covering. up for some stuff that. is I mean if if really people have been. harmed and I mean this one of the claims. of uh back engineering these things it's. always fascinated me is that there was. uh Bob Bazar said there's a previous. person who was working on the job they. died they they tried to do something and. there was some sort of an explosion and.

it was limited into what I think you and. him together would be the greatest. podcast of all time would you be. interested in doing that because you'd. be able to tell oh yeah we we'll dose. you up what do you want Aderall do you. want mushrooms we got I want I want a. line of Sor and desert toads and every. time you answer a question wrong you got. to lick the. toad but you would be able to tell. whether or not it's nonsense yes and no. I'm not the best person you'd be better. at it than me it be better than you for. sure for sure but you want to know look.

Sean Carol and I Sean Carol and I don't. get along you need to be here for this. all right you I I'll show up. specifically show up you got to be ready. man this is if you and him together. would be so. fascinating his story hasn't [ __ ]. change since 1989 man it's it's if he's. telling the truth if he really was this. propulsions expert from Los Alamos labs. who they brought in because they were. kind of trying to figure out what the. [ __ ] is going on and everything's. compartmentalized so no one can talk to.

anyone so no real science can be done. and they're saying tell me what you know. like let's figure this out and he gets. to it and almost immediately he's like. this is nothing that we know how to do. this is nothing that we're making this. is something from some it's something. that's not even designed for a human. form it's designed if if it's a physical. vehicle it's designed for something much. smaller than humans I know nothing about. Bob Lazar I've seen something about. Element 115 which I don't understand is.

like he predicted what well yes they're. they're indexed by the number of protons. so I can predict that you know the. elements we have yet to discover are. going to be in the same numeric I don't. get this um that's interesting yeah but. I think the claim is different the claim. is is that this element must have some. property or that he's saying it's a. stable version of this element and that. in wherever these beings are from I see. they have access to a stable version of. this element that we don't have access.

to here so let me make an analogy gold I. don't know if you know this about gold. what we call Gold is the single stable. version of gold there are a bunch of. isotopes that are all radioactive that. turn into other stuff so like if I have. to pay you in Gold if I choose a gold. that isn't the one that. works it's completely unstable so you. gave me unstable gold I know I give you. un what happens do you die if you touch. it well you C you'll certainly get some.

radiation but you'll also find that. there's much less gold every time you. check on your amount my precious right W. but what I'm trying to get at is that um. it may be a claim that there's an island. of stability like with gold there's one. isotope that's stable right um I don't. know anything about that I'm not the guy. for that but I can I can here's the. thing Joe I can tell you what I know and. what I don't know and I could certainly. probe him the the thing that I'm. uncomfortable about I don't know if you.

saw my interaction with how put off no I. did not so I interview Hal put off and. we're talking about this stuff and it. goes to remote viewing I'm like oh. brother I have to do remote viewing now. but if you think about it when you get. like a FaceTime call from your wife. who's on traveling on business or. something or you're traveling on. business doesn't matter that's remote. viewing mhm so you don't realize it but. something completely mundane to you like. a video call is a version of this insane.

sounding thing it's just done through a. device much like a camera lens sees. things much like your eyes see things. you're just doing it physically it's. doing it through a device you're doing. it yeah so when you biologically how put. off say that he made money in the market. that he he needed to raise money for a. school so instead of doing a bake sale. he did remote viewing in the market I. noticed one eyebrow just went up Sean. connory stop what do you think about.

that uh we did not have a comfortable. interaction I was respectful but I I. certainly communicated that for a guy. who's trying to prove that this stuff is. real yeah wouldn't you like to invite me. to your private island if this stuff. works rather than making exactly $26,000. or whatever the target amount was right. why wouldn't you keep going with that. right it's like he was like well I'm too. busy it's like well I understand being. too busy to make money because I've. certainly exhibited that behavior but if.

making money is the best way of. advertising that the stuff is. real why wouldn't you actually do. it so that was a very uncomfortable. interaction that I had with Hal that. doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't. do it you know there could be this. thought that and this is you know what. what people would say about psychic. ability as well there could be that. thought that some people feel that. abusing that power or using the power. for personal gain would somehow or.

another diminish its effectiv I so much. want to make money from geometric unity. and I'm but not magic well but there's. something about not in my father's house. you don't want to be the money changer. in the. temple I'm happy to make money hand over. fist and I'm Pro capitalism but like. selling geometric Unity makes me feel. sort of sick to my stomach and I think. about it I mean I'm not so pure that I. don't I see what you're saying but what. I'm trying to say is you're trying to do.

something that's supposed to bring. people together and you have a world in. which we're losing all support for Blue. Sky stuff so I think what in Hal's. case I just felt sad that I I threw a. bunch of Proto shade that people. assembled into. doubting I think how was. sincere but I think what he was saying. didn't make sense the remot viewing part. of it yes and so I felt bad about like.

what if it's possible what if it's just. not possible most of the time well for. example let's imagine you he claims that. they sent people to the Bottom of the. Sea and submarines who were able to. remote View and so the water is acting. as a screen M where like light can't get. to the bottom of the Mariana Trench for. example but neutrinos can so if you. imagine that there was some particle. that could penetrate and be received we. have telescopes for photons for.

gravitons which is ligo and for. neutrinos which is like I don't know is. that ice cube or polar bear so you could. imagine that there's some field that can. penetrate the oceans that could be. received I can come up with a Sci-Fi. story right so you would imagine that. these neutrinos are containing. information and that they're attached to. everything all over the Earth I'm not. saying that that's what remote but I'm. saying if you wanted to say Eric a gun. is to your head we we believe in remote. viewing tell me a fairy tale right I.

could come up with fairy tales okay and. that could be one of them uhuh yeah do. you think that it's possible that there. are states of Consciousness that can be. achieved. through some form of. meditation or some for of some some form. of training the mind to get into a very. specific Focus that would allow you to. access information that is otherwise.

unavailable I don't I don't have any. experience in that I haven't done it. right so I would imagine it can't be. done because I can't do it or I haven't. done it but isn't it possible that there. are states of mind that can be achieved. through. whether it's holotropic breathing or. whether it's meditation there's states. of mind that can that are measurably. achievable that are very different from. the current Consciousness two people are. just talking is it possible that there's.

a way that some people have of. occasionally tapping in to information. that's unavailable to you or are right. now so let's do a junior version and. then get to your question Junior version. is is there a way that we can like look. inside your body without opening your. body up to figure out whether you have. pancreatic cancer MRIs ah so tomography. in the radon transform the point is any. sufficiently uh advanced mathematics or.

physics seems like deep black magic yeah. indistinguishable from Magic exactly so. it's an Arthur C Clark problem. now if you ask me I'm very freaked out. about this cattle mutilation because. people I know swear by it they say this. is Absolut you know come come see. autopsies there's been some weird ones. for sure okay they're fascinating but uh. I mean if you're going to come all the. way here to [ __ ] with our cows well no. no the issue. is they don't do it to people my point.

the stapes yeah but is weird yeah but. the stapes again people think mammals. are defined by like live birth and. breasts and and no it's three bones in. the year if I'm not mistaken and those. three bones have to do with insectivore. uh ancestors who probably needed their. ears detached from their jaws so they. could hear high pitched whining that's a. theory we don't know if it's true whoa. okay now those three little bones that.

mean so much um what they do is they. transmit sound through the tanic. membrane to the organ of cordi so that. the cyia in this rolled up uh sea shell. in your ear vibrate at particular. frequencies so when I'm talking to you. and I say Joo that's absolutely. ridiculous what we're what I'm doing is. I'm stimulating different hair follicles. in your organ of Cordy to vibrate at. different times or if I go wise men say.

right that's tone three half frequencies. above back to same. tone those things are perceived as. pitch I could imagine something caring. about the idea of how do I communicate. thoughts through the the tanic membrane. using the. stapes does it sound exotic yes does it. sound like [ __ ]. absolutely however it's not outside of. the realm using this the doubly. scientific method which is you imagine.

that there's Intelligence on the other. end of this thing and it's going to use. every trick in the book because it's. smarter than we are to figure out how to. communicate with us now have I gone out. into the desert have I prayed have I. tried to get these things to talk to me. I have. right I'm an. atheist but these things have a. religious effect on. people they view them as Angels they. view them as Transcendent beings they. think that Ezekiel and the Book of.

Ezekiel is about this stuff it's like. okay it's only my self-respect it's not. you know I'm going to run an experiment. because it's cheap why wouldn't I do. that right why wouldn't I do that. heartfelt every Friday Joe you should. come for our to our family for Shabbat. dinner we pray we may be atheists but. not on Friday night Friday night we. believe right and my claim is that there. are plenty of opportunities using the. doubly scientific method if something is. much smarter than us and is able to.

communicate these things maybe it's said. to Hal look we can't interfere with you. because we have a prime directive but we. can give you indirect hints you know I. what do I know I don't know anything do. I think it's likely no I think Hal is. probably not correct. right but is it impossible to. communicate with somebody below the the. bottom of the sea no it's not impossible. even using neutrinos it's not impossible. does is there any mechanism that. implements it none that I'm aware of do. we listen for neutrino events 100% 1987a.

the Supernova I believe that the photons. and the neutrinos were screaming at us. and arrived almost at the same time. because the neutrinos we now know have a. tiny Mass so they wouldn't be traveling. at quite the speed of. light um now the point is let's imagine. that we had Neil degrass Tyson on he's. not having any of this. [ __ ] he's he's locked into because he's. not really a physicist and in at a. practicing level he has to worry about.

his. respectability he is 100% one of the. most brilliant people at scientific. Exposition I've ever seen in my. life but he can't think he's not ready. to do great science because great. science has an element of. irresponsibility to. it and what we don't understand I think. about it is is that when we decide that. everybody has to do good science it's. like you doom yourself many of the. greatest scientists of all time were.

borderline. quacks the belief for example that. Watson and Crick had that DNA had to be. a helix I mean Jim Watson's somebody I. know and I I dealt with four days. straight the reason he beat Rosalyn. Franklin is that she couldn't spend one. not being a good scientist she was a. good scientist and he admitted he was. not okay but he was convinced it had to. be a helix and from her perspective it's. like oh you want to be lonus Pauling who. figured out the alpha Helix and protein.

so you're going to take Linus's work and. you're going to superimpose it on DNA. and explain my malt cross and it's not. about male versus. female absolutely Jim Watson claims that. if rosn Franklin had spent one afternoon. thinking it was a helix she would have. gotten it before he did. that's an extremely generous kind. feministic. belief she was a good scientist he. admits he was not a good scientist but.

he was a great scientist and that's the. big difference great scientists engage. in. quackery Carrie mullus taking LSD or. getting stoned out of his mind coming up. with the preliminar chain reaction is an. example of great. science right Richard firan claiming. that a particle takes every possible. path it can simultaneously does not make. sense but it's great science it's not. good science so it's almost like guitar. playing say.

more you can be very technically. proficient or you can figure out a way. to do something someone hasn't done. before and do it in a way where. you're you're. you're create you're you're using. creativity and science. together okay does this make sense if. you look at for example Jeff Beck's. version of drown in my own tears with.

Jules holl that is one of the greatest. vocal performances I've ever heard I cry. I pulled over to the side of the road. and wept when I heard that thing cuz he. died and I was just like yeah whatever. Jeff Beck died I know he's supposed to. be the greatest m you know blah blah. blah it's like have no time for for I. got to drive him once what when I was a. limo driver hold up yeah wait break from. UFOs je you have to tell me you're Jeff. Beck though I was supposed to drive. Stevie Ray vongh but Stevie Ray vongh.

refused to take a limo Stevie Ray vongh. would always take cabs isn't that wild. and I was a giant Steve Rayvon fan cuz. uh my boxing coach was a huge fan and he. was he would always play that song oh. God there's a bunch of them but is it. Ireland is that. this he has this one song never heard of. this oh my God this guy this this guy. used to hit the bag and play this one. song by stev rvon and I can't remember. what [ __ ] song it was but I became. fascinated with Steve rvon because of my.

friend and uh as I was driving limos I. had an opportunity to I was like oh my. God I going to pick up Stevie rayon this. is insane but as he was with Jeff P I'm. like yeah that's pretty cool so I drove. Jeff back but it was to me like I was an. idiot know yeah I uh I also got a chance. to uh pick up Annie lenck security guy. was this fascinating dude I really love. talking to he was a lot of fun and so I. got to see I was like as close to you. are as to Annie Lennox and uh this was.

when the arthic were huge and she was in. this restaurant and I swear to god dude. her voice was like a like a cable wire. when she would talk yeah it would it. would almost like she had a nuclear. voice like even just her talking you. would you would like knowing how. beautiful her voice was when she sang. you real like oh my God she's like an. athlete like she's like an athlete. talking just the way her voice was. carrying in this conversation I was like. this is amazing her voice is incredible.

and I was realiz like oh well this like. a trained skill like a ballerina where. their vocal cords I believe before it. was trained it was just I have the same. feeling about Eva Cassidy and Annie. Lennox it's just that these people are. not part of reality. well is a gymnast a part of reality I. mean they develop that ability I mean I. think that's what it is I think we're. seeing the final product we're not. understanding that there's this long. journey and some people have more. physical gifts than others others do but.

that's with gymnasts as well I okay you. ever heard Eva Cassidy gets sick and. sing stormy Monday and something about. the sickness causes her voice to do. something no voice has ever done oh no. oh dude this is like heroin um wow Jeff. Beck is more vocal than these people. this version of drown in my own tears. which is a cover Ray Charles did a cover. version of it and he figured out what. the song was supposed. okay yeah hit me with it.

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what a bad. [ __ ] what a bad [ __ ] by. the way I just want to say something uh. that you're not going to want me to say. but [ __ ] you uh I was hanging out with. his bass player to Wilkenfeld and she.

got covid and I heard that you sent a. nurse with an IV with all of this sort. of stuff to get tall Wilkenfeld this. unbelievable bass player that just she's. my friend yeah but she's like an she's. like a Next Level human being she is I. love her she's great I know but. like you know you take a lot of [ __ ]. from stupid [ __ ] that you do what a big. heart you have and nobody even knows.

what you do for people around you and I. just want to say thank you okay that was. a unauthorized thing I want get back. thank you okay the Jeff Beck thing oh my. God right like she's 12 years old and. let some of this. on stage here this is Costa Rica wow I. like how they have the little Indian. rugs on stage that's pretty.

dope says Incubus with Mike einiger and. Brandon. Boyd and that was Costa Rica where they. were getting blown away and that she. couldn't even see properly because her. hair was getting blown into her eyes I. met her at the store she's friends at. Tony hinchi that's how I became friends. with her yes like she doesn't want to. hang out with music people she wants to. hang out with scientists and and uh. comedians she loves hanging out with.

Comics she hangs out with us all the. time she's cool as [ __ ] she can hang. she's really cool to talk to but Incubus. is also is also like they're really into. science they're the most down toe rock. stars Jeff Beck that's awesome so you. know in terms of um vocal. performance I did not understand what. this guy was able to do. multi-dimensionally with that whammy bar. and using the slide as a pleum this guy. was developing techniques not to not to. flash you not to Ying way Mom Ste play a.

million month notes a second but it was. just like I'm going to spend my entire. life not becoming a rock star but. becoming the ultimate technician because. of the things I feel in my soul that I. want to share with you people and I. didn't get this the only way I found. tall is that I thought like okay I was. always thinking I'd get around to Jeff. backck and then he died I was like okay. whatever I'm too busy and I started. feeling shitty about it I thought what. happened to his basis and I found out. she followed me and I was.

completely unprepared for like these. people who are channeling the universe. directly through music yes right yeah. that's what it is right that's what it. is when when someone like a Gary Clark. Jr plays guitar there's like introduced. me to at the store when I never met him. you know it's just like he's a [ __ ]. man well music. science and humor are my three things. that I use to measure human intelligence.

you can't use an IQ test to get up in. the stratosphere these are the three. things that actually. discriminate humor music and science the. like in general I can assure you that. when you order a sandwich at Subway if. you do so you don't do it in any. particularly special way but let me just. say this I saw you work up this thing. about uh professional wrestling is gay. over many nights because you kept. inviting me to the store and you. know I like this whole controversy about.

you and Jews and money it really hurt me. because I've never seen anybody's non. bigoted as you and I've hung out with. you drunk and this stuff would come out. and it's just like such [ __ ] but I. did have this like Envy which is I want. to be the gays and get you to work up. actually what's going on with Jews and. money and take the William Tell shot. where you get past this sort of dim. store stupid [ __ ] and actually like.

basically to the thing about Jews and. money is the Jews that had money. survived and the Jews that didn't have. money died in the camps and every. diaspora Community whether it's the. overseas Chinese. or you have the parses in India or you. have the gtis in the east of Africa the. issue isn't money Joe it's liquidity all. of us diaspora communities have to have. liquidity or when things turn bad we get.

screwed right and there is some routine. what I found about you and and the gays. and professional wrestling thing you. just for people who don't know. uh I was sitting there at the comedy. store and Joe says I was watching Prof. professional wrestling and it is so gay. that is definitely not how I set it up. wait a second at all and the audience. freaks out like that's definitely not. how it was set up and then you turned. around and looked at us and you said. wait a minute I didn't say it was bad.

you did that yeah right and it was like. this wait wait wait what he just turned. all the negative energy in the room on. us for our latent homophobia and then it. was. like we all had it. and we realized we had it and then if I. was sitting next to a gay guy and I. started the evening homophobic I. guarantee you by the end of that act act. which you figured out over multiple. times that I. saw we were sitting there ready to hug. each other and I want you to do the same.

thing for us Jews I want you no I want. you to figure out your [ __ ] money and. Jewish thing and do for us what you did. for the gays because that was a. transformative experience when I saw. Chappelle take that shot on behalf of. Kanye I I have to take a Kanye detour. okay people do not understand what. happened with Kanye and I want to talk. about this from a Jewish perspective. Kanye in what 2018 for some reason C.

Candace Owens of all people was like my. fan and she called me up she said I'm. meeting with Kanye which is my dream I. want you to be there like what all right. I show up Kanye is the most kind. creative mentally ill wonderful generous. person you could imagine that's a great. way to put it. okay Kanye is like can you come over. tomorrow can you come out to. Calabasas we're like hanging out me and.

Kanye as if this makes any effing sense. by the way he's got an NDA that is the. most ghetto lawyer thing I've ever seen. like if you say anything about this. meeting we'll take your child we'll take. your left testicle you will have nothing. I like I am not signing this well you're. not meting Kanye it's like fine it's. only Calabasas I'll take an Uber home F. you like they call up Kanye like don't. let him don't make him sign just come. through so I come through that's so. funny and I'm like hanging out with. Kanye like geek and the Rap God and like.

he's got this videographer who's like. filming everything and I'm like I cannot. deal with this person send him away so. he sends him away and Kanye and I have. this heart to heart and let me tell you. something this is uncomfortable to say I. cannot imag imagine a Kinder more. creative more gentle more loving more. inclusive person he invites me on the. spot to a listening party for his new. tracks and I say I have to get home to p. and the kids he's like well you you. don't understand it's Kanye's album I'm.

dropping it he's like I don't care it's. my wife and my kids I got to get home so. he's like okay come to Wyoming so he's. inviting me to Wyoming with him I'm like. dude I'm a math person cut it out he's. like well you have to come to Wyoming. all right. we start talking about the concept of. slavery in Jewish and black Tradition. now part of the reason that Jews and. blacks have very high tension is because. we have very similar. experiences we both have a a really deep. relationship to slavery in our case it's.

Passover in their case you know it's the. history we all. know and I say to Kanye there are three. levels of slavery in in Jewish thought. there's chatt slavery where we're. actually enslaved then there's cultural. slavery where we're a diaspora community. in other people's lands and then there's. self slavery where we can't get past. ourselves and Kanye we're grooving all. this stuff having this heart to height. we're walking around Calabasas and. people are yelling out of car windows. like you know Kanye we love you and like.

every time they do it I remember that. there's a [ __ ] alert the Crips have have. issued an alert from Long Beach that if. Kanye Strays out of Calabasas he's to be. taken out what yeah when was this I. don't know look up [ __ ] Alert in Kanye. 2018 okay so Kanye's like oh okay there. three levels we we're vibing blah blah. blah and I get this call from Kanye the. next day cuz I'm. not crippler for Kane Wars like I'm just. thinking I'm G to be killed in a driveby. shooting because I can't get home to my.

wife because I'm hanging out with Kane. nothing makes sense in the world wow. okay Jesus Christ now I get this call. from Kan he's like oh Eric I can't tell. you how amazing this all is I was just. at. TMZ and um I was explaining the theory. about slavery and how this whole thing. works and Jews and Passover I was. explaining how much I love Hitler. like what did you say I was explaining. how much I love Hitler it's like huh I.

missed a meeting a memo something and I. realize okay Kanye is focused on this. spiritual Sunday thing and I realize. what this is it's Jesus Jesus loves. everybody no matter how horrible you are. Jesus loves you okay and Kanye is. thinking what would Jesus do and I'm. realizing like I'm thinking at top speed. like he's talking to about Hitler at TMZ. whatever I said Kanye I want you to. listen to me he's like yeah I said I.

want you to run to TMZ they don't want. to destroy you I guarantee it because. you're a long-term property that matters. and there's no reason that they would. want to destroy you and I want you to. beg them not to release what you said. don't don't question me just do. it so he runs to TMZ and they don't. release this thing and I guarantee you. that they have the. videotape so when you hear that the.

Jews and I love Dave Chappelle but this. thing he did on Saturday night life was. not right. okay yes Jews are so [ __ ] traumatized. that we are super sensitive to anything. that makes it possible for people to. tell J can I stop you for a second then. sure he has to do that that's his job. his job is to make fun of something.

that's in the Ze I hear you that is in. the Ze I know you're going to say this. the fact that Kanye West is being. accused of this. anti-Semitism and Dave Chappelle is. hosting Saturday live yeah he's got this. fake letter and he goes and that Kanye. West is how you buy some time that [ __ ]. was [ __ ] hilarious there's nothing. not right about that that was [ __ ]. hilarious sorry sorry Joe I'm G to go. toe-to-toe with you on this one you. don't think that was funny oh Not only. was it funny Dave Chappelle is a [ __ ].

William Tell level artist he took his. bow at an incredible distance and hit an. apple off of somebody's head so what is. wrong with that. ah the issue is that it opens up this. issue for people who are not at Dave. Chappelle's level okay so you made a. joke about pizzas Italians so you have. to cater your joke to the dumbest people. that are listening no no no no no no no. no that your problem Joe to be honest.

with you is that you and Dave Chappelle. are held by such high in such high. regard by me and I I completely defended. you 100% this man has nothing to do with. anti-Semitism 100% well thank you okay. you no you don't need me appreciate you. there's nothing love you too I love. you here's to some [ __ ] love you. too no you don't need to defend me. because there's no there's not a trace. of it in you so him wa wait wait I'll do.

it okay please okay I view you guys as. the marksmen you're the surgeons you're. the [ __ ] neurosurgeons who can get. between two neurons and cut the bad one. and leave the good one. that is to me I know that you guys think. it's about mockery it's about having fun. blah blah blah I've been through the. comedy. Mill there is an aspect to Carlin's. comedy for example. or um Richard prior or Lenny brucees.

that is timeless and Immortal because it. comedy is so much more than getting a. belly laugh it's at a different. level I expect you guys to work to keep. I want you to keep workshopping that. thing till it Finds Its actual highest. level I'll tell you the the joke about. pizza's money and Jews. right I used to go to the Harvard school. in Los Angeles which was the top most.

exclusive uh Episcopalian School in LA. and I was sandwiched between these two. beautiful uh muscular Aryan men and they. would make the following joke hey Eric. what's the difference between pizzas and. Jews a pizza doesn't scream when you put. it in an oven. right a terrible joke that's a terrible. joke and I lived it every [ __ ] day. okay what is welling up right now on.

Twitter with Elon purchasing this is a. huge amount of anti-Semitism and what we. need as a country as you and I both know. and we've both been in the same fight is. we need a massive coming together we. need to laugh together we need to break. bread together we need to marry each. other and have babies so that we're. effectively indistinguishable from each. other eventually we need love and. partially what the function of humor is. is to facilitate that this is how John. Stewart reported the news hey I'm the.

fake news but he was actually reporting. what the real news right okay okay it is. my reverence for Dave Chappelle which. says that he fell he fell short of his. Mark he took the shot and he hit the. apple he didn't hit the kid but he made. it look like everybody could do that and. now we've got an enormous number of. anti-semites who are F focused on this. thing right I was on your show years ago. we asked this question about Jews in. physics and I made a joke of it you said. like why are there so many Jews in.

physics and I say well I guess we're. lucky at physics I'm done with that too. we have taken this language about under. representation into our into our souls. through this diversity Equity inclusion. and if you ask about underrepresentation. you have to ask about over. representation and you know who's over. represented Jews and now we're calling. it The Jewish question why are there so. many [ __ ] Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews. because we're [ __ ] great at physics. and we're great at comedy and I'll tell. you something you want to get rich I.

know that you're rich and you're a comic. but in general is comedy a good way to. get make money no it's a terrible way to. make money and how many people are there. in it like Jews everywhere we've got. Jews were poor Jews were Rich this and. that Jews are basically humans turned up. to 11 we're on all extremes we're more. criminal than other people we're less. criminal than other people we are in. such danger at the moment because. everything is breaking down and when you. can't figure out what's causing you a. problem people are always going to blame.

blame diaspora communities they're going. to blame overseas Chinese they're going. to blame gujaratis they're going to. blame parses they're going to blame Jews. and we are vulnerable right now and the. the issue wasn't that Chappelle was. great do we have anyone better than. Chappelle he's a genius. straight up Gangster genius amazing what. we're looking for is. routines that elevate us beyond what. Dave Chappelle turned in I'm not. claiming that Chappelle didn't make a. hilarious routine I'm claiming something.

different I'm claiming that right now we. need to heal we need you don't think. that humor helps us heal you don't think. that that was funny and that that first. of all no one laughing at that is. laughing because they're anti-semitic. right it just cuz it's a brilliant thing. it's funny he's he's poking at the bear. in the room yeah that Kanye West [ __ ]. up and he's like remember remember Owen. Ben remember Owen Benjamin sure okay I. think Owen Benjamin is. brilliant he did so many great routines.

really insightful incredibly clever made. me laugh and he went down a bad path at. some point and I'm sad about it because. I think he's a genius I think the best. of Owen Benjamin is fantastic well do. you think causes people to go down bad. paths because they don't know what's. controlling them they don't know what's. going wrong I'll tell you the Jewish. strategy straight up is we over. contribute we over succeed we over. contribute you want to know who built. America as a superpower it's Edward.

Teller it's stanislov ulam it's Robert. Oppenheimer when you allow Jews into. your country we pay more taxes we do. more philanthropy we make tons of. [ __ ] money we do some criminal [ __ ]. that's stupid we've exploited people. which is. unfair it's a complicated equation but. that's our equation for survival on. balance we over contribute over succeed. and we love you you know we want to be. strong we're. loyal and right now people are scared.

that there's something that is. denaturing our entire Society Joe right. we're not ourselves we're not strong. we're not confident we can't be. masculine we can't have children who we. we we we're tiptoeing around trans and. the suspicion for who is keeping us from. having a normal interaction is always. going to be Jews you want to know why. I'm all yeah you want to know why I'm. all over the Epstein think because maybe. it is. Israel and if it is Israel it's not. Israel it's like a tiny Department. inside of the mad and maybe it's our own.

intelligence services but I'll be. goddamned if it isn't a Jew who isn't. going to be pushing this now I've been. invited to South America for example by. a very prominent dual National between. the United States and Israel it's like. why don't you come down to my Ranch Eric. where we uh we have fun with the uh with. cindera luminoso like The Shining path. it's like what does that mean I'm being. intimidated Joe I'm being. threatened because obviously Jeffrey.

Epstein looks a lot like Ellie. Cohen the super spy of Israel who held. orgies in his Damascus apartment right. now I don't know Jeffrey Epstein may be. a us intelligence product it may be a. joint product it may be an Israeli I. don't know but I can tell you this it's. not the Jews who are behind Jeffrey. Epstein and I will be goddamned if I. won't be pushing that because I'm going. to stand up for 12-year-old girls. whoever they are this is an immoral. human being I've been on this since the. beginning it's not.

fair so we do do this thing where in. some sense you have to. understand how how traumatized we are as. a people when I hear we aren't oppressed. because we're we drive fancy cars. it's like my first cousin once removed. died on the train out of Kiev when the. Germans invade froze to death my cousin. is a mangala twin who forgave mangala. which is what Kanye was trying to do he. was trying to say I'm Jesus I can tell. that Hitler deserved love and deserved.

admiration it's like well look up Eva. cor right you have this tiny tiny Jewish. person who my cousin who forgave mangala. if there's anybody worse than Hitler it. might be mangala. right Kanye was in the wrong scene he. wasn't equal to the thing he was taking. on it wasn't his to forgive Hitler and. to celebrate Hitler he's not Jesus but I. feel terrible about what happened to. Kanye and I'll tell you one of the.

reasons I feel terrible about. it because all of us were enjoying. Kanye's mental illness his genius comes. straight out of his mental. illness and we loved him because he was. so unfiltered so real so when I see. Rihanna holding him up my feeling is no. it's not for you to hold him up I tried. to save Kanye I didn't even say anything. about it right and Kanye I think turned. on me stopped returning my phone calls. because he felt.

manipulated but the fact of the matter. was I wanted Kane to persist and I. didn't want his comment about I love. Hitler and TMZ to take him out because I. thought he was a Force for good so yes. there may be Jews that are exploiting. him financially but they're also Jews. who trying to save him as I believe Lex. tried to do a million times yes and it's. like hey we love each other we're. ultimately we're all. family and the thing that I want out of. humor is I want our best comedians to be.

a level or two above where they already. are so that was my complaint about about. Dave Chappelle it wasn't that Dave. Chappelle wasn't funny he's funny as. hell it's like I thought beyond that you. should have done a routine that brought. us all 100% together and what you did. was is that you did a routine because. you tried to get it at this level and my. opinion of Dave Chappelle is that he's. way up here let me uh explain how a. monologue.

Works um there's a big difference. between a monologue and a standup set if. Dave was going to do a standup set on. that okay he would work that at multiple. different clubs a night and he would do. it over months yeah it would be. something that he would experiment one. way he would add things to it he would. he would subtract the [ __ ] that he.

didn't like anymore it takes time it. takes time well that's what you invited. me to see yes right well you've seen it. so you you understand how it goes you. showed it to me yeah but you saw it in. actual practice 100% And I I got to tell. you how much more I value watching you. as an intellect which you often run away. from oh just a comedian I watched you. look at the crowd as feedback and change. your act and change your act and change. your act until it's just sang well thank. you but you're try while you're doing.

that you're just you're trying to find. the Beats it's a rare art form where. you're practicing it in front of people. and the difference between a monologue. which Dave has to prepare for in a very. short amount of time versus a set like. if you want him to have a very complex. and nuanced take on a subject it's going. to take time it'll take a little time to. figure out and I mean I can only speak. for myself but my process is months like. I have some bits and then they they.

start off great and then they die and. then they come back and then they. [ __ ] get get better and some bits. they I have to abandon them they're just. they're not working they're not growing. whatever it is and you don't know until. you try it in front of an audience and I. tried a bunch of different ways and. sometimes I try I'm like oh my god what. the [ __ ] have I got myself into and I. have to pull myself out of the Bush but. it's because there's this experimental. aspect to doing live standup in front of. these crowds and after a while been.

listening to us talk on podcast a lot of. uh fans now know most people don't. though most people have no idea what's. going on which is good because you just. want them to have fun so but there's a. thing going on where you're trying to. sculpt it if he wanted to take that. subject. and Advance it to like this Dave. Chappelle you know Coral belt and. Jiu-Jitsu level cuz that's what he is. like he would figure out a way to do it. and he would have it in a way that. wouldn't be objectionable to you and I. don't I don't I didn't find it. objectionable I thought it was a.

hilarious take on something that was. current it was in the news it was a. thing he was just mocking the fact that. Kanye was being attacked he was not. diminishing it in any way he was making. light out of there was a Target he hit. it it that's how it is like that's I. appreciate what you're saying and my. response to this and this what I say to. my fellow Jews I say look I don't want. more I don't want less Joe Rogan or less. Dave Chappelle I trust these people I. want more I want to go to the. uncomfortable place so that we can all.

actually open it up just like if you. were doing MD MDMA assisted therapy. right yeah the idea is if you don't. actually touch the thing that's. uncomfortable which is like why are you. so [ __ ] successful why don't they. have so much why are they in control of. this it's like I want to go through that. and I trust you guys both of you uh and. there probably a few other people that I. trust to do it but it's not many and the. point being which is that when other. people were like quick to say you know.

this is anti-Semitic this is. uncomfortable this is this I had a. different response which is and and I. think you're teaching me it's not the. monologue that you want you want the. routine that is workshopped and. perfected yeah the the routine takes a. long time maybe I didn't have that but I. would say the following I believe that. ultimately and I don't want to make it. the job of the community but ultimately. that is what it is is teach us how to. live with each other and love each other. when we have these deep suspicions of. each other right because we do have.

these deep suspicions and right now. everything that our government is doing. which is holding back more and more and. more information makes us suspicious. who's really behind this what's really. going on right and that's this is rep. recipe for another Holocaust because if. you're asking well who's really behind. this I guarantee you one of the answers. is always it's those guys we are. counting on you and I just want you to. know that and how much love we have and.

it's why it's a it's not an obligation. to stand up for you when you come under. Fire like the whole n-word thing it's. like I posted one picture with my armor. around you like any questions you know. you guys are essential it's not it's not. just that it's it's fun to go out have. because it is fun but the point is John. Stewart was doing a real job reporting. the news when nobody could report the. news and in a large large measure comedy. or MDMA something like that is necessary.

for us to examine our. [ __ ] and it's not a task for you. because if I say that to you you're like. dude you're you're loading too much on. to it I I know how comedians think no. it's not that it's that you really. only want to take on subjects that you. find fascinating in that moment like. when you write out ideas it it it has to. be genuine it has to be a thing where. you're trying to work something.

assignment yeah I. don't understand a lot of anti-Semitism. and I don't understand a lot of racism I. don't understand it it doesn't make. sense to me it seems natural it's also. there's too many fascinating. idee people. whaty or what color that to me seems so. ridiculous and so stupid that I don't. entertain it it doesn't it's not a thing. that bounces around my head so to even.

to Workshop it and defend it to me it's. like oh my God there's so many more. interesting things about people what's. interesting to me about people is the. individual human beings take and the. accumulation of all of our takes. together where we try to work through. this thing what is this thing that we're. experiencing together what is this what. is culture what is the Learned history. of all the human beings that have ever. lived before us like what is the purpose. of our existence here what is the the. the the. actual size of the cosmos that we're.

existing in like all these different. things this finite nature of our. existence what is good about community. and love and friendship what is good. about all those things all those things. are interesting to me but when it gets. to like sexual orientation or color it's. like who cares I Don't Care Hum there's. no I don't I didn't want to defend on. any particular thing my point was I've. never seen any bigotry at all because of. this radical love sorry for saying it.

but like I know that you love all walks. of life and and you don't need anyone to. say that so I was almost embarrassed to. say it but like to me um we're in an. emergency situation whether you can feel. it or not like if you look at there's a. guy named uh what is it oh he's figured. out leather apron club which is both the. name for the junto that Benjamin. Franklin established which is something. that we Revere and leather apron was the.

name for Jack the Ripper so it's very. clever mtin Bailey right but he like he. tracks like how many Jewish people does. Joe Rogan have on his program you know. and it's incredibly. important that all of us who are in a. position to do this who don't have to. necessarily worry about like our next. paycheck at a. company help everyone come together. because right now our government isn't. helping us come together we're all sort.

of vaguely suspicious of each other and. nobody wants the assignment in my. opinion of like doing work it's also a. very dumb distraction to be distracted. by our differences is so foolish it's. just so unnecessary like our our. differences are what empowers us because. if it wasn't for all the different. cultures that exist in the United States. it's one of the reasons why it's so. fascinating here is because this is a. country of immigrants you know with me. it's my grandparents and you know with.

other people their direct descendants or. or or or they've come over here from. somewhere else everyone here is from. somewhere else and we're all interacting. with each other and look at what's been. created here look at the amount and. we've succeeded for the most part after. a tremendous number of missteps yes. right and so partially what you and I. are both animated by which is like look. we're not even done with the work but. look how far we've come and look what a. shining example this is to everyone else.

and this is. like I wish I could communicate Joe how. much fear I have right now as a Jewish. person on Twitter with The Well of. hatred that I I feel coming up which has. been suppressed and you want to know. what I want I want the anti-semites to. speak up I want to hear them I want them. to have free. speech you have two choices in a society. like this you can either try to control. what people think and what they say or.

you can have a cultural penalty for. saying something that is horrible and I. want us to have free speech with a. cultural penalty for these things as. opposed to having to regulate what you. can and cannot say and this issue like I. don't know is it Daryl Davies you know. like these incredibly Comm commendable. courageous people who weighed right into. the belly of the Beast and bring love. you know this was the thing that I. wanted for Kanye he was trying to say.

something else I don't want him. destroyed I don't want him to continue. to destroy himself where he's hanging. out with Milo and Nick Fuentes and all. this nonsense he was trying to say Jesus. told us to love each other right and he. was [ __ ] up the message right and the. issue is I don't want a. Jewish black Rift in the middle of. America well you don't want any Rifts. right not just Jewish but any Rifts at. all and if we take it to your your the.

thing that you were talking about sure. in the beginning with the fear of what's. going on right now with Russia and. Ukraine in the absence of this idea that. we supposed to be opposed to other. people right that people that we don't. even [ __ ] know like why would there. be any conflict at all between Russia. and Ukraine why would there be any conf. at all between us and them they almost. the same thing what is going on someone. is controlling people there's a game.

that we don't understand and you know. this you're part of it whether you like. it or not that's what's [ __ ] run by. psychos and I can tell you I have so. much Ukrainian trauma because my family. ran away from like pgms right do I. support Ukraine 100% because they were. invaded by Russia hello do I support. this at the level that I want World War. III to happen no no one should want that. no one should want that and so you're. trying to have this complicated thing. which is like look there's serious [ __ ].

in our past but you're being hurt by a. power but we partially antagonize the. power I'm trying to pull there's a lot. of money involved oh my God and not only. a lot of money involved in this and this. is the thing the thing which I didn't. understand with Sam it's like he says. there's nothing you can tell me about. Hunter Biden it's like. barisma there is money that flows. through Ukraine because it is a place. where there are chemical labs and. biological labs and there's bakish and. payment and all this kind of stuff and.

my feeling is we're not allowed to know. we're not allowed to pull it apart we're. just supposed to say you know it's on. the other side of the ideological fence. you're not even allowed to examine it. right and my feeling is look this is my. children I'm on this planet you're going. to potentially create a nuclear. Holocaust over something where you're. getting paid in a way that I'm. not and if we don't fundamentally figure. out how to love each other and to. coexist and to celebrate each other and. this is another thing about like I'll. tell you a Jewish.

thing we have this one story We repeat. every year in the Passover story which. is our name for Egypt is mitzraim and. mitzraim means the narrow places and. it's literally like the birth canal. it's the second birth of the Jewish. people and right now all of Earth is. mitzan this is the womb and you say like. you know somebody not you but like. somebody says well the Jews consider. themselves the chosen people do you know. why we're chosen we view ourselves as.

chosen not because like we're the best. that because we're. responsible we believe that we are. responsible for this planet and we. unleashed we Jews Edward Teller and. stanislav Ulan both Jews unle the power. of the sun on the planet which is. dooming us to a very bad end and I. believe that we are chosen in the sense. that it is our responsibility not our. privilege not our this not our that not. that we're on top but it's our. responsibility to.

Shepherd the birth of the human race. into an Interstellar. species and like does that sound. far-reaching does that sound crazy 100%. to my ears that sounds. nuts but. ultimately in my opinion we feel. responsible not for ourselves not to. save ourselves but for the entire planet. and I hope that other cultures feel the. same responsibility that they feel. chosen in the same way but right now if. you want to ask me I forgo all sorts of.

financial opportunity because I feel. like we unleashed holy hell on Earth. that maybe a civilization ending thing. and what are we going to do about it if. we are open we we have to realize that. what we unleashed to take care of Hitler. and Nazism and the and the the barbarity. of of Japan like the rape of Nan King we. now have to deal with for all time and. this is like really important to us we. need to Shepherd civilization to safety.

and if you think about the Passover. story it's a tremendous question why. repeat this one story that seems bizarre. like you're enslaved in Egypt you follow. some crazy leader you go through the Red. Sea you wander around the desert for 40. years and you find the promised land. this is the story of where we are. exactly at this minute it's not like an. old-fashioned stupid fairy tale it's. like you've been telling the story every. year for a reason because the people who.

waited for the bread to rise that's why. we we eat unleavened bread died and the. people who understood early okay this. sounds completely crazy but you're going. to have to make a break for it through. the Red Sea wander around ground in pain. before you actually get to safety that. is the story of right now and this to. bring it back to the UFOs my feeling. about this is I'm largely on this. program right now not to promote a book. I don't have a patreon yet maybe one day.

who knows there's nothing I'm promoting. other than the fact that right now we. are in so much Mortal danger as a human. species think about everything that you. love whether it's drown in my own tears. or box be minder or the works of. Shakespeare right gone forever and back. to the Stone Age I. refuse and and this is what I've i' I've. had such a hard time it's like well Eric. you're so arrogant you're so you're. insane you're crazy it's like no I know.

what time it is and I love you and I. love all you people we're getting out of. here and we're going to do it and we're. not going to embrace any of this kind of. stupid division it's now time it's like. this is shackleton's story Shackleton. stepped up when any normal human being. would say look take whatever resources. you have and have a good time because. you're done it's like no you know we're. down it's the ninth inning this is a bad. situation this is the time that Legends. are made and we're sitting around.

worried about like can I get the Tesla. with Goldwing doors it's like [ __ ] that. [ __ ] now is the time for Legends and. whether you know that that this is the. time or not we have to to come together. and that's one of the reasons that. like that I I I wanted you to understand. how much I appreciated what you've done. for underprivileged groups people who. are hurting people don't really. understand how big your heart is because. you hide it and that's one of the things.

I wanted for the Jewish people and I. wanted from you which is like more. Chappelle more Joe Rogan more humor more. love let's get through this thing let's. let's stop blaming each other know let's. stop blaming each other and let's go P. again wrap this up we're at like 4 hours. dude we've been rambling you've been. rambling you've been uh saying some. brilliant things though and I appreciate. you very much and I appreciate you. coming on here always and uh I don't. think we got any closer to understanding. what the [ __ ] UFOs are but I understand.

more of it thank you my friend I'm in. appreciate you very much appreciate. goodbye everybody. [Applause]. [Music].