Joe Rogan Experience #1943 - Joel Turner

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day and we're up what's up Joel how are. you good to see you brother I'm good. thanks for having me man I'm very happy. to talk to you because uh you know I. think that what you teach applies to not. just archery but applies to life it. applies to anxiety filled situations and.

you have figured out this one element of. archery that so many people can't seem. to put their finger on and it's the. anxiety of the shot yeah you have. figured this out in a way that is so. useful and it's it's so repeatable and. it's I think it's so important and I. think a lot of people are going to go. what what you're gonna just talk about. archery shots I think this applies to. life yeah what you've done with your.

your shot IQ system and so let me. explain to people that don't understand. this um bow hunting and archery. especially competitive archery it's it. often times boils down to this one. moment and when you have one moment and. there's so much anxiety on this one. moment people have a tendency to panic. and to rush through things and I think. people have found that in life in many. situations in different occupations and.

different practices and disciplines this. anticipation and anxiety of one moment. where they lose their mind and they. don't even remember what happened right. it's like and they can't keep their [ __ ]. together you have figured out a way to. make a system where you you have very. clear defined guidelines that people can. follow where they could stay in the. moment and not lose their [ __ ] mind. at this moment of anticipation right and. I think the success speaks to itself.

your son who's an incredible Archer. who's been taught by you using your. methods is now what is he number one in. the world well the ranking system is. weird but he's won every major indoor. archery event that there is he won and. he's 15 well he just turned 16 yeah he's. driving now so it's scary as hell but so. uh he won Vegas at at 15 just I mean he. turned 15 the day before and then he.

wins Vegas which is the biggest indoor. Archy shoot there is it's huge yeah and. then just to watch him up there is just. amazing to know that I mean I can watch. him I'm like oh yeah this is going in. right just you can see it in their eye. and and I see this in in a lot of people. that they don't have that look you know. it's they have they have that an anxiety. that look it's like oh what's happening. and they're just letting things happen. and with bod he's just like this is. going in it was so funny cuz he just won.

Lancaster the Lancaster classic which is. another huge indoor ory shoot and when. you shoot Lancaster you have to you're. in the practice range and he came in. first seed because he shot the second. ever well there's been uh I think five. people now in history that have shot a. well four people that have shot a 660. qualification round now let's explain. what that means that is that is hitting. a penny every time 60 arrows in a row. which is INS at 20 yards the amount of. concentration involved in that and a lot.

of people like 20 hours is not that far. listen you're shooting a penny and. you're shooting it 60 times in a row in. a row right which is the just the the. possibility of just a little [ __ ] up and. when you're at like number 39 40 41 42. 43 44 and every one of them flop flop. flop yeah so he he shoots his 660 so he. shot one last 660 last year so he was. the third one in history to it and then.

this year he did it again so now he's. the first person in history to shoot two. 660s back to back so then he get so he. comes in the the elimination rounds wins. those and so he comes in first seed for. the big shoot off which is you're up on. a stage and it's just you it's head. to-head so it's you and another person. and uh when you're when you start you. come in first seed the person that's in. front of you that maybe came in fourth. fifth sixth whatever they get to shoot. out on the stage against somebody so. they actually get to zero their bow cuz.

the lighting is different and it's huge. I mean you're trying to hit this Penny. and then they have a 12 ring that's the. size of their Arrow basically it's like. 27 diameter 2764 diameter it's no bigger. than their Arrow that's off to the side. and it's down below so if you miss that. you get a seven or an eight and you're. out you're you're done at that point so. he uh so we get he comes in first seed. and he he misses the X on a couple of. them and then the other person misses. the X.

and it's funny cuz you can see him he's. up there and he always clicks his sight. and I'm like how many clicks was that. he's like it was just enough I mean he. like you can't even tell what he does. just adjusting yeah so he's adjusting to. the to to the lighting and uh so he. comes and he shoots those two tens not a. x and uh then he starts then he then he. hits a inside out and he's he looks he. turns I'm in the coach's box behind him. he turns me and goes it's sighted in now. and I'm like sweep the leg boy right.

that's what always sweep the leg and it. was just donut after donut after that. and then then the other guy caught up. shot at 12 to catch him and so now they. got three arrows shoot off and and it's. the first arrow is for score and they. have that 12 ring and bod is sitting. there listening to the guy and bod's got. his stabilizer because everybody usually. step there's a red button on the stage. if you hit that red button you then you. know then it's a 12 then you got to. shoot for the 12 so he hits the red.

button but he hits it with a stabilizer. so the guy's explaining the shoot off. and B's just hovering his stabilizer. over just looking at the guy right and. it's he's like are you done yet are you. done yet and finally just Dink and he. hits that red button with a stabilizer. and then just shoots at 12 and the other. guy missed the 12 so it was pretty cool. wow yeah it was awesome to see tell. everybody your background how did you. get into this like tell your background. with SWAT and all that so I started. shooting at a really young age but I was. I was obsessed with shooting like when.

we I have two older brothers and we when. we turn 9 years old my dad would buy us. a BB gun and my two older brothers. didn't shoot him that much I broke both. of their BB guns I shot them so much so. when I turned nine I got a daisy 880. power line by God that is some high flut. and stuff right for me so I get this 880. power I shot it so much I broke it air. rifles 22 long rifles I was I was good. right you put me on a center fire rifle. like my dad did when I was 5 years old. shooting a 3030. I was worthless as soon as the soon as.

You' get your sight on man I would just. Hammer the crap out of that trigger and. that followed me through adolescence. early teens 20s right so we should. explain that hammering is like you're. jerking the trigger jerk in the trigger. which an anxiety yeah so now I know that. that's the core problem in shooting. right your mind will not allow you to. cause your body impact as a surprise and. it took me a lifetime to figure out what. the true problem was and that's where.

everybody's kind of skipped around it so. there I at 5 years old shooting this. 3030 oh I pressed the trigger perfectly. one time and as soon as I felt that. recoil the second time when I racked. that that lever and I shot it the second. time I guarantee you I closed my eyes. clinched my body as I pressed the. trigger it all so you're worried about. the recoil it all gets linked together. it's smoke fire noise all kinds of. negative things that happen right and I. was experiencing the same thing in. archery I started shooting a when I was. seven and by the age of eight I'm locked.

completely off a Target meaning I would. draw the bow back and the target's level. with me and I'm aiming at the. floor right and then you would jump that. thing up as we see many archers do now. they're locked off Target they jump up. and let let the string go at the same. time it all gets linked together so that. your body can brace you for impact and. people don't see archery as an explosion. they see it as well it's just shooting a. bow right but shot anticipation or shot. controls a lot easier with a firearm.

because the explosion happens in the. apparatus it imparts recoil on you but. it's not actually the explosion is in. the apparatus whereas an archery the. explosion is in your body right it's. that sudden release of energy that. happens so Shan anticipation with. archery is hundredfold what it is with a. firearm what's also the amount of. movement changes so much where the arrow. goes because it's not going as fast and. subject to all your little right all the.

little nuances of it so all those motor. programs that get linked to that. punching of the trigger that's what. deviates our point of impact so there I. was at 8 years old just loving archery. watching that Arrow fly but not good at. it right and then so then I started bow. hunting at 14 years old and not doing. well I mean I was locked off Target on. these Critters and missing and missing. and missing it took me 13 years to kill. a bull elk with my bow because I. couldn't handle it I just would lose my.

[ __ ] completely like many many many. people oh it was horrible so that was my. background so I've got this sounding. board of bow hunting where I'm failing. I've got rifle hunting where I'm failing. and then I decide to become a cop right. well before I was a cop I was a a. wildlife specialist for USDA wildlife. services where I got to shoot stuff. every day right animal damage control. all that stuff and uh I got to shoot. stuff every day with an air rifle so I. was I was good right and shotgun.

shooting good at that right but when it. came to precision rifle stuff again I. was worthless I was not your guy to be. on a coyote contract when you're having. to shoot coyotes in the middle of a city. with a suppressed 243 right it just. wouldn't work out for me because as soon. as I would get on that thing my only. thought process was it's going to get. away it's going to get away so that. would cause that that anxiety that rush. and you would rush the shot so there I. was then I decided to become a cop my.

older brother was a cop my mom was in. law enforcement so I decided to be a cop. and at the range I knew that you know. when I turned 21 first thing I did was. bought my concealed weapons permit in. Washington bought a pistol and for some. reason that pistol always shot low and. left I'm like what is the deal with. these sights right it's always shooting. low and left so I get in the academy and. I bought a different pistol I bought a. 1911 that's got a much shorter trigger. stroke on it and I basically fixed a.

mental problem with mechanical means at. that point cuz I got through the academy. starting to realize what I needed to do. to to control a shot but with that. pistol it was easy and my buddy was so. bad in the academy with his Glock that. he had to then he bought my pistol from. me because that's the only thing that. got him through the academy was buying. my pistol from me I bought another one. so we both fixed our mental problem with. mechanical means and I end up taking. first uh taken first in firearms in my.

Academy class not knowing how I did it. but I that's where I I started to feel. this love for instruction because I got. to help some people with it and so. things progressed uh two years in law. enforcement then I got uh Firearms. instructor and because I had this. interest in firearms and kind of. figuring things out and then I got on. the SWAT team same time 2003 so uh. that's you know I spent 18 plus years on. the SWAT team and ended up being the.

sniper team leader and then eventually. the team leader for the team but it was. becoming the lead Firearms instructor. for Washington state that got me the. experimentation that I needed because I. was starting to figure out how do I get. somebody through a shot how do I get a. police officer to concentrate on a. trigger press when it's the only thing. that's going to save them or somebody. else and it it came to me one day it was. just totally by accident cuz heard all. the normal stuff in Firearms destruction.

front sight front sight front sight you. know you stare at your front sight hard. enough and things are just going to work. out for you well that just doesn't. happen cuz in most gunfights most people. will tell you they never even see their. sights so I had this recruit that we. call we had one in every class we call. him nervous Nelly right I mean this guy. was just super anxious and you can tell. the different personalities that people. have just when they when you put a gun. in their hand they're nervous and this. cat all this movements were super fast. and he was just a jittery dude right.

nervous. Nelly and he's shooting 20 yards and. he's bouncing bullets off the floor at. 15 so his rounds are hit in the 15 yard. line and I'm like oh my God you know it. doesn't put a lot of confidence in the. police force so I go over this kid I. call him a kid he was probably I don't. know eight years younger than me or. whatever and and I get on the driver's. side of his pistol I'm looking at his. finger I'm like okay I want you to press.

the trigger just to the pressure wall. don't make it go off he's like okay yes. sir and as soon as I got done with that. instruction his finger moved right to. the pressure wall I'm like okay start. pressing the trigger but don't make the. gun go off and so as soon as I saw his. finger move I'm start talking to him all. right keep pressing keep pressing keep. pressing keep pressing and as I'm. watching his finger I'm looking at this. and I'm like it's moving at the same. rate I'm talking and he's working.

through it and all of a sudden bow it. goes off as a surprise right through the. ten ring and the target he's like sir. that scared the crap out of me I'm like. yeah it's supposed to so then the next. time he shoots again and I changed my. Cadence of speech which changed his. Cadence of movement and that's when the. light bulb went off for me I'm like okay. we got to figure this out I had complete. control of this kid's mind at this time. and but I had to get him to do that and. that's where this whole thing started.

into neural linguistic programming and. and all the sciences that we went down. the rabbit holes on to really figure. this stuff out and so what did you learn. from neural linguist linguistic. programming that appli here when I when. I because I didn't know what that was. right right I'm just a simple guy right. I we get coffee in here I I didn't know. what that what that was and so I have. lots of very smart friends and so uh one. of the one of the doctors that was on a.

sniper crew for a neighboring agency he. was their ER doc because most SWAT teams. have an ER doc that's assigned to the. team and so I'm training him in some of. this stuff and he's like oh that's. neural linguistic programming I'm like. stand by doc that's a big word right I. got to know what that is so I started. looking into that and it was mostly like. Tony Robins self-help get yourself out. of addiction you know get yourself out. of the gutter type stuff but what I took. it as is it was the route to.

concentration cuz what you say is what. you think and I needed people to think. and to concentrate on a specific. movement and when you the what I'm what. I'm asking people to do is just shy of. impossible like you're I'm asking you to. override your own central nervous system. with concentration that is just shy of. impossible but it's not impossible if. you know exactly how to do it but when I. ask that question of all the people that.

I train it's like how do you concentrate. and nobody has the answer they're all. they tell me well you have to focus you. have to block things out you have to do. this do that how they never tell me how. to do it I'm like yes that that is. concentration for you but how do you do. it especially how do you do it when. somebody's trying to kill you right how. do you get that singular minded and that. was the big question so that's what I. took from neural linguistic programming. and so I wrote I wrote what was called.

the mental mechanics and instructor's. guide and it had kind of the sequence of. of drills and how to get somebody's mind. into this and there was this there was a. guy at the Academy that we did not like. each other and for some reason he he was. a kinesthesiologist or almost he was a. big martial arts guy knew movements knew. how to train movements and and he came. to me one day when he became the lead of. the he became the head of the Firearms. program and he came to me one day and.

said what you're doing works but it's. not right I'm like okay I need to know. what's I need to know what's right then. so he goes you got to take my class I'm. like okay sign me up right so in that. class is where I learned about open and. close loop Control Systems I learned. about visual appropri setion how you. actually aim and how you don't have to. put Consciousness into an aim and let's. explain open and and closed loop systems. so open and Clos Loop so open loop is.

where that's any it's a it's a control. system in your mind that governs your. movements and open loop is where your. mind wants to go because it's efficient. it's smooth it's automatic right so when. you first learn a movement you may learn. it in steps and it's very choppy and you. have to think about each specific motor. program that you're doing but then you. eventually put that into a package. through practice right so we go from the. cognitive stage of learning to practice. stage with the goal of becoming. automatic and that's where people do.

they do the same thing with shooting but. in shooting the only thing you're. getting more efficient at is bracing you. for recoil you're not getting more. accurate I mean there's there's. 80-year-old dudes that come to my class. that have been doing it this way for 70. years and they just get worse right. archery is one of the only shooting is. one of the only things the more you do. it the worse you get especially in. archery if you're doing it wrong yeah if. the if you just follow the natural path.

of the human mind and learning you're. going to get worse because you're going. to get more efficient your subconscious. thinks you're getting better because. you're getting better at bracing for. impact that's what it's built for but. consciously we know like uh I didn't. control that one and then it's like well. I control about 50% of them right and. then it just gets worse and worse so. your mind open loop means your brain now. huberman's going to kill me for this. because this is so simplistic right and. he I'm sure he gets way into this but. open loop is your brain sends a motor.

program to the eector the eector is just. the muscle group that receives it so in. that the muscle or the the motor program. is usually too fast for you to gain. feedback in it like shooting a. basketball swinging a golf club right. those are all movements that that have. to be smooth to keep the totality of the. movement going but in shooting if you. use open loop for the trigger it's too. fast and you're not doing anything to.

mitigate all the other muscle. contractions that are coming in to brace. you for impact right so it's the Flinch. it's all that stuff that gets put in. there and so that's open loop that's. where your mind wants to go it's the. default if you don't think about. something you're going open loop like. when people black out and stuff they go. super efficient on the trigger they. don't remember what happened because it. was a negative event and it was all. subconsciously driven now closed loop is. a movement that's slow enough you could. stop it anywhere within it right there's.

a certain speed at which you can gain. the feedback that you need to say like. in the signature test or if you're. pressing a trigger right or if you're. working your hinge you're working that. thing slow enough and you're. concentrating on the movement you're. working it slow enough you could stop it. anywhere within it and that just doesn't. happen it has to be decided upon right. and that's the big kicker that's where. people try to jump over the problem. because you have have to decide if.

you're doing a movement that's going to. cause an explosion and you're trying to. do it slow enough you could stop it that. will never just find you you have to. concentrate on that movement so you got. to know how do you concentrate right. well you got to talk yourself through it. and you got to know what decisions you. need to make at what moments in the shot. because there are moments in the shot. when autopilot is going to try to take. it right and that's what happened to me. for 13 years in my bow hunting career. from 14 to 27 I was going completely.

automatic right I was so engulfed in. trying to to kill that Critter or aiming. good or whatever it may be my mind was. never in the movement that it needed to. be so that's the difference between open. and close loop and when that when that. guy told me what you're doing works but. it's not right he taught me about open. and Clos up control systems but what he. never taught me and what I noticed from. all the textbooks and all the stuff that. we did it had never really been put into.

shooting it had never truly been put. into shooting because so he kept ask me. what's this decision you keep talking. about what's this decision I said well. you have to decide to go close loop it's. not just going to happen he's like I. don't think so like let's go to the. range right so we go to the range and he. did the same thing that everybody else. did he couldn't get himself to go close. loop because he just kept trying to do. it and he understood this he understood. it but he didn't understand the mental. portion of it so cuz everything that.

he'd ever taught was basically clo Loop. to start with because always martial. arts movements it was always closed loop. to start and then you move into open. loop and that's the good stuff right. whereas in shooting that's that's why we. use shooting for such concentration. practice because there's nothing like it. there's really nothing like it it's I'm. glad you brought up martial arts because. martial arts is Clos Loop when you're. learning it yeah absolutely and open. loop in application so you learn all. these movements and then in the fight.

things just happen right you just throw. the kick and you don't even know what's. happening it's happening and you're. you're you're staying in this sort of. like empty Zen mind space where you're. just trying to like utilize the. techniques and know you know what to do. your body's trained and then you react. and you move accordingly right but the. problem with that is like that is the. worst mindset possible for bow hunting. yes which is crazy it's completely. opposite yeah right now getting yourself. to concentrate and my martial arts has.

used mantras for thousands of years. right this sound means this this sound. increases power whatever it does so you. are you're talking yourself through it. but when it comes to the actual. application of the action like you're. talking you can't get conscious with it. you have to keep your conscious mind out. of it like it's the it's the science of. choking right so the basketball player. he's shooting a free throw and he's got. this routine right spins the ball. bounces it three times shakes his ass a.

little bit and then he shoots right well. then it comes to the gamewinner he. bounce spins the ball he bounce it three. times shakes his butt okay I got to. break the wrist perfectly and so he adds. Consciousness to a movement that should. be open loop and that's why they missed. the gamewinner right just like bod. shooting the the the 60th arrow for his. 660 that's where most people screw up. because they changed their thought. process right well with shooting and.

what we teach it's how do you stay in. that shot process no matter what right. so it applies to so many things ites you. know it really applies to pool yeah in a. huge way you know I I play pool a lot. and um there's shots that are difficult. shots and they're game-winning shots and. you have to stay in that moment you. can't go I hope I don't miss if you say. I hope I don't miss you Miss every. [ __ ] time right you you have to stay.

in the movement and you have to do. exactly what you teach with archery you. have to say here I go you have to do. your warm-up Strokes you have to make up. the make sure the shaft is going in the. direction that you want the CU ball to. travel and then you have to go here I go. and release and you have to know that. you're shooting a perfect shot you have. you could still miss cuz it's [ __ ]. hard but at least you're missing the. right way yeah and and the problem is. like with me on this journey 2008 I shot.

the first controlled shot I I'd really. ever shot on a game animal and but I. didn't blueprint it and that's the. problem how what do you mean people have. success like they they won the game with. that shot but they don't blueprint how. they did it so they can't possibly. repeat it it's a mystery right so in. 2008 I shot this big old hog and I shot. I'm like Oh yay me I finally controlled. myself on a shot but I never blueprinted.

it so 2009 comes along I shot a couple. Bulls in 2009 one in New Mexico one in. Arizona punch the crap out of the. trigger on both those Bulls just got. lucky but I was successful right 2010. comes along I shot my first controlled. shot on an elk with my Longbow 41 yards. with my Longbow it was the most gorgeous. Arrow flight I mean it was perfect but I. never blueprinted it it was just another. yay me moment right so 2011 12 13 and 14.

come along and I killed a bunch of. Critters in those in that time frame but. I wasn't controlling my shots still but. I was at least present enough to be. aiming and all those things but I still. wasn't getting through my shot. essentially punching the trigger so. December 14th 2014 was my big that was I. shot a big Blacktail buck and I didn't. control my shot I shot him at 8 yard. shot him right in the heart and it was.

raining and it was right before dark and. I'm like I was happy that I that I shot. the buck good. but I was pissed CU I didn't control my. shot again and realized that by this. time I'd been a SWAT sniper since 2003. right scared to death scared to death on. how it was going to go because all the. that time between 2003 and. 2014 thank God I didn't get in any. tactical situations where I had to.

actually press a trigger because it. would have been just like a coyote I. guarantee you it would have been just. like a coyote and that's where a lot of. cops are these days they don't know. what's coming and they don't know how to. control themselves at this moment of. truth so I've got this sounding board of. bow hunting where I'm still uh some are. good some are not good it's still a. mystery to me because I never. blueprinted it right so December 14th. 2014 I shot that buck and I was pissed. and I sat in my tree stand now it's dark.

and it's raining I'm like I got to. figure this out right because it's just. a ticking time bomb in the Tactical. world for me to be in a in a tactical. situation so I sat there in that tree. stand like what was it about that shot. in 200 2008 and what was it about that. shot in 2010 when I actually controlled. myself and I was so conscious in those. two shots that I'm like it was the. decisions it was the decisions that I. made cuz I remember before I remember on.

the hog in 2008 I drew back and I had. the same anxiety and all the craziness. going on and it was the same feeling of. weakness that I wasn't going to perform. well but I was at full draw now I'm. locked off Target which hadn't happened. in a long time but I was so conscious in. that shot for some reason I don't know. if I was pissed off or what it was but I. went I ain't doing this again and I let. that shot down and the next time I drew. my bow back I'm. like I'm shooting the shot perfectly or.

I'm not shooting it at all and that was. the first time that I'd ever it ever. meant more to me to stay in the shot. process then it actually killed the. Critter and that was a huge thing for me. but I and I never blueprinted and then I. remember on that hog so the second time. I drew my bow back and before I drew my. bow back I said I'm shooting this shot. perfectly or I'm not shooting it at all. and I started draw my bow back and as I. drew my bow back I felt it slipping. again right I said nah I'm gonna do this. right that was another decision that I. made which upped my presence didn't know.

that at the time that U my presence so I. got the full draw now I'm aimed exactly. where I need to aim all I gota do is let. the arrow go it's aimed perfectly all I. gotta do is let the arrow go but because. I'd up my presence so much I remembered. oh yeah stupid you got to pull through. the clicker right had a little clicker. device on my on my. Longbow which when you expand through. that it clicks mechano receptive trigger. all that stuff so I'm at full draw. here I go that was the first time I'd.

ever said here I go in a shot I said. here I go and that reminded me oh yeah. I'm supposed to talk myself through this. right this is 2008 so I was starting to. figure some stuff out in the Firearms. World keep pulling keep pulling keep. pulling keep pulling click poom I shot. that shot it was perfect but again like. I said never blueprinted it 20110 comes. along same thing I'm behind this screen. of Pines there was a hole this bull. comes down water hole turns broadside. looks the other way my buddy gives me.

numbers he says 41 I'm like at 41 I know. I got to put my point 18 in over that. bull's back and so I remember I'm on my. knees I'm like I'm shooting this shot. perfectly or I ain't going to shoot it. at all up my presence made that decision. what we call the original decision. started drawing my bow back felt it. slipping again right and you know that. feeling where it starts to go you're. like I'm like nah I'm going to do this. right I got the full dry put that point. 18 inch over his back here I go keep.

pulling keep pulling keep pulling click. poom I shot that Arrow I can see it to. this day it was just gorgeous I mean I X. ringed him at 41 yards of my Longbow it. was so cool but again I didn't blueprint. it so that that in sitting in that tree. stand in in December of. 2014 that's when I said I got to figure. this out and that's when I that's what I. figured out was the decisions I mapped. the decisions it took to keep myself. present so that I could. concentrate and that day I said I'm.

never doing it again I'm never shooting. another uncontrolled shot on a critter. or a whatever it was you know I'm still. a cop at that point and I'm like I'm. going to do it right no matter what no. matter what and so what was the process. of figuring out a repeatable blueprint. okay the blueprint was so I started. thinking about this so that I could. actually blueprint these things I'm like. okay what is it the blue print is this. it's four questions so when you shoot.

that perfect. shot question number one what was I. thinking about after here I go because. all the stuff up to here I go is pretty. much the setup of the shot you've got. your aim you've got tensions maybe you. roll to the click in your hinge what am. I thinking about after here I go and. what you need to be thinking about is. nothing other than that shot activation. movement what is the movement that's. going to cause this explosion where do I. need to put my concentration it's got to. be in nothing other than the move M but. you'll find in archery and shooting most.

Shooting Sports people leave their. thought process in the aim where it does. you no good right so question number one. what was I thinking about after here I. go question number two what was I saying. after here I go what words or sounds did. you use to guide your concentration so. you now know what you need to be. thinking you know exactly what you need. to be saying or what sound you're using. if it's a hum or or audible exhale or. whatever it may be question number three. could I have stopped it were you so. keenly concentrated on your shot.

activation movement that you could have. stopped it anywhere within it and if you. can say yes to that that's a big ask. right but if you can say yes I could. have stopped it that means that you were. truly in a closed loop control system. and the only way to get into that is by. having enough determination to make a. decision so that you're present so that. you can concentrate so those are the. fundamentals of precision shooting right. so what am I thinking after here I go. what am I saying after here I go could I.

have stopped it and finally what. decisions did I make to get myself in. the process for this one shot because it. all only lasts for one shot and then. your mind completely resets it like I. didn't like that you surprise me with an. explosion got me this time not happening. again so you have to go through the same. process over and over and over and the. decisions get easier to make but they. still have to be made well this is why I. think this is important and this applies. to so many things in life cuz so many.

movements and things and actions in life. are they're they're sort of powered by. anxiety they're powered by like yeah. like you just like you spazz out because. you're not in the moment you're just. reacting right whereas what you're doing. and what you're teaching with archery. and what I've learned from you is that. if I I say to myself while I'm shooting.

if I'm talking to myself and I go. through this whole list Center the. bubble Center the sight you know relax. the shoulder draw pull pull pull release. and when it releases I'm in control of. the whole thing from top and there's all. these these anxiety driven thoughts they. just get it out go just do this he's. going to get away going toen you're. going to miss but if you stay in your.

own thought process and talk to yourself. so like when I'm at full draw on an. animal I'm like pull pull pull po all. I'm thinking of is these mechanics of. making that shot release instead of all. that other [ __ ] by forcing myself to say. pull pull pull at the final things I. eliminate any possibility of [ __ ] going. wrong because all I'm thinking of is. those words all I'm thinking of is that. movement and those words and it's magic.

right and so many people in the world of. bow hunting don't know this more people. know this now because of you but I. remember when I first found your stuff. online I was like okay this makes sense. cuz I knew it was a mind [ __ ] and I was. shocked at what how mind [ __ ] it is. because I'm a martial artist so I'm used. to just reacting to things I'm using to. used used to relying on training and.

there moving automatically but you. cannot do that with archery it it. requires Stillness and calmness and. being centered and in the moment in a. very unusual way that's like pool and. that that moment of. everything relying on this one thing. that you're doing yeah all your success. and failure you might have shot. thousands of arrows in practice but that. doesn't mean jack [ __ ] right now now you. have to get this one Arrow out perfect.

right and it might be a giant animal. that's a screaming Bull and you're. shooting through a window of two trees. that's 12 in wide and 50 yards away and. you're like holy [ __ ] there's so much. like oh don't hit the tree oh don't [ __ ]. this up oh you [ __ ] it up last time. you can [ __ ] it up again don't miss and. all those different things if you just. have this thought process in your. process in your head doing the going. through your pre-shot routine perfectly.

pulling back on the bow centering your. bubble centering your pee pull pull pull. swap it just goes off yeah it's just. it's so unnatural for you to control an. explosion there's also this thing where. you want to pretend like you know how to. do it now like I got it I got this I. don't have to think about that anymore D. I don't get Target Panic anymore I've. got this yeah but if you do you'll mind.

[ __ ] yourself and then it'll happen. again oh absolutely it's waiting it's. always it's it's the default you. punching the trigger is the default and. we watch this all the time with. professional archers their career does. this right it's up and down and to the. some to to a point where people. sometimes they're like oh the. commentator's like oh God right because. their thumb's not even on the button. right like oh my God if he can just get. his thumb on the button he'll be okay. right it's like man man and then they. super weight their bow because they.

don't necessarily understand how their. eye actually works and they use. stabilizer to calm their mind and it. just it's it's completely opposite of. how things actually work in your mind. but when you think about the history of. instruction I mean archery is a martial. art in some In some cultures right in. Japan is martial art I think of it as a. martial art but when you look at some of. the the texts that are associated with. that it's it's this blank-minded and all. this stuff however most of those most of.

those cultures use what's called a. mechano receptive trigger and people. never knew about it right why is it in. Kudo archery that the tip of the arrow. is so much bigger than the arrow than. the arrow shaft itself and in those old. texts the arrow is not ready to be. loosed until the point touches the. knuckle right those are all so mechano. receptors I'm sure you know this but. they're sensory receptors in your skin. cells that are that give stimulus so.

like if you and I are sitting here BS. and I put my hand down on a hot stove. The mechano receptors and the skin cells. of my hands send this to my brain that's. hot my brain then sends the motor. program that gets my hand off the stove. it's how Olympic archers shoot with a. clicker right so they draw their Arrow. back and they've got it underneath the. clicker and then as they pull the tip of. the arrow out from underneath the. clicker it click against the side side. of their bow that sound wave is picked. up by the hair cell The mechan receptors. and the hair cells of the ear it sends. the stim the brain the brain sends the. release motor program so you know you'll.

watch them they're expanding through it. Click Boom they'll shoot the shot same. in Kudo Archy same in Bhutan right in. Bhutan they tie a wire underneath their. Arrow they'll wrap a little piece of. wire or a piece of wood on there like a. toothpick that will touch their knuckle. right so there's been these these ways. of doing things for millennium right but. we all want to be more pure right we all. want to oh tradition archery is just you. know drawing back your Longbow and.

letting it letting it fire well that's I. mean you go to any traditional archery. event and you see most people don't even. get to full draw before they let it go. it's sad it's sad to watch I had uh a. moment in um South Texas recently where. I was hunting Neil guy and uh Neil Guy. are a particularly uh fascinating animal. cuz they evolved around Tigers right. they're jumpy as hell I've never seen an. animal move that fast I've never seen an. animal so jumpy other than Axis deer.

which also evolved around tigers um so. uh I have this um this bow that has set. up a Garmin site which I love and what a. Garin site is it's a rangef finding bow. site that uses a DOT so instead of. having a pin so just explain it to. people at home the way you site an. archery bow a bow for bow hunting or bow. for archery is there's a program that. you run the arrow weight through the.

speed of the arrow you shoot your arrow. through a chronograph the weight of the. arrow the draw length and all these. different compon components go into a. program called archery advantage and. that program will give you a sight tape. you put that sight tape on your bow and. it's calculated to the weight of the. arrow the speed of the arrow and it. shows how much drop the arrow is going. to uh have over 20 yard 40 yard 50 yard.

and it'll show you exactly where that. pin has to be so you would have to range. with a laser rang finder you get your. number oh it's 56 yards away and then. you dial it perfectly to 56 yards and. that will calculate exactly where that. arrow is going to be when it gets to 56. yards what I love about this garment. site is at full draw you just press a. button and it ranges and then it gives. you a pin well I'm at full draw on this. Neel guy I've had a couple of problems.

with this this bow site where it didn't. range yeah so I'm at full draw and I. have a 90 lb bow so it's a lot of weight. it's very heavy and I'm pulling it it's. not a heavy bow like physically but it's. heavy to pull back and I'm holding it. back and I press it nothing and I press. it again nothing so then there's all. this [ __ ] in your head it's like oh. Jesus he's going to get away oh no. you're going to make a bad shot all and. I'm like no no no no no no no no no no. good and then the third time I press it.

finally I get a pin and I'm like pull. pull. pull and this Arrow flies perfect it. hits this animal quartering away. broadside punches straight straight. through the animal and the arrow goes 30. yards away but the kneel guy runs like. nothing's wrong with it and a full. Sprint when the arrow hits it I'm like. oh no I'm like how am I even going to. find this thing 130 yards it went until. it died but we didn't know where it went. because you know it's heavy brush in.

South Texas and I'm talking to the guide. and he's like when we shoot them with. rifles we have the guide the we have the. client who has a round in his rifle and. then the guide also has a round so the. client shoots the kneel guy and then the. guide will do a follow-up shot cuz. that's how tough they are I'm like maybe. you should have [ __ ] told me that. before cuz I was not even with him I had. snuck way I'm like just stay back cuz. I'm going to try to move around these. bushes and get within you know B range.

and so I'm thinking boy I I'm pretty. sure I made a great shot like I have to. I I don't know so. luckily um we you know mapped the area. we we do a grid and we find the animal. he's only 130 yards away it's a perfect. shot went straight through these animals. don't bleed yeah it's they're the. weirdest animal they're amazing when you. shoot an elk at 30 you know I think this. was like a 52 yard shot if you shoot an. elk at 52 yard when you go to the spot.

where it hit you're going to find drops. of blood and you're going to be able to. do a blood trail and you'll be able to. find your animal and they don't run like. Neil Guy run right this thing runs at a. cheetah clip I mean full blast full. Sprint and just till it died but it was. a perfect shot and it would not have. been I mean the anxiety of the sight not. working me pressing the button nothing. me pressing the button nothing oh [ __ ]. right and then and I'm a full here and. I'm like trying to stay calm and stable.

and then finally press the button and. get the thing but if it wasn't for being. conscious in the shot right pull pull. pull SW and I hear that you know that. that that sound that you hear when it. hits the vitals when it goes through the. ribs through the body and it went out. the front shoulder I it was a perfect. shot yeah but but it was because of your. program it was because of your teaching. and this was after I'd already worked. with you and Peter AA at his house and. we were messing around so I had it very.

keenly in my head what needed to be done. but you practice it right so the. difference is is that you're a very. determined person and that's the missing. ingredient in most people is they're not. determined enough to actually make the. decision and so they go shoot their bow. and they shoot their bow and they're. punching the trigger maybe just a little. bit right in practice so they're. literally practicing their own failure. in a high stress event. right so they're they're punching a.

little bit little bit and their mind's. just making them a little bit more. efficient more efficient and it's. they're practicing this efficiency. they're practicing their open loop. trigger work and then it comes to a high. stress event and then it all they go. Ultra efficient and none of that stuff. that you're talking about is in their. head they're only thinking holy [ __ ] I. don't have a pin uh will just make. things happen and your autopilot will. take it away from you like that but you. because you practice making decisions.

you practice finding determination these. are strange things to practice but we're. just using archery or shooting Firearms. or whatever it is we're using those as. the medium for practice of these very. mental things you use your bow to. practice your concentration right you. saying pull pull pull doesn't just. happen it has to be decided upon and. that's what long ago that that guy at. the Academy could not figure that out. and his ego was too high to actually go.

oh maybe what you're saying actually has. some Merit because what am I I'm just a. I'm just a dumb cop right so it was it's. very interesting but I see people all. the time go to the range and they. practice their own failure even. professional archers do the same thing. and then they meet then they meet bod in. the shoot off and bod's going to shoot. his process no matter what right so it's. it's really cool to see that and to know. like you put bod on a critter it is done. for cuz bod is a he's stone cold man.

well the fact that you've trained him. since he was a young boy at this and. this has been the way he's learned. archery like his with his age at your. understanding of it it all came about. really at the perfect time it was The. Perfect Storm and I you know bod started. shooting a bow at 10 and a half months. old I mean I had at two weeks old I had. him in a front pack and you know. shooting he's seen thousands the arrows. go down range I had a bow in his crib. and at 10 and a half months he finally.

picks that thing up upside down right he. would prop himself up against the couch. draw back fall over and then you know. shoot his little string off but then he. at two and a half he's shooting balloons. flying Balloons with his bow in the. kitchen suction cup arrows at three. years old I buy him his first compound. and index finger trigger at 3 years old. and he's punching the crap out of that. thing three years old that's what it's. that's all his mind knows is to brace. for impact right so at three I bought.

him a tension activated release and what. that did just like me in the Academy I. fixed a mental problem with mechanical. means so at that age you know what does. a three-year-old have for determination. decision-making skills nothing right so. even up into early teens these kids. today don't have enough determination to. override their own central nervous. system so you put them in a tension. activated release that makes decisions. for them. push the safety in draw the bow back and. aim it safety still on that's the.

calming effect safety still on weapon's. not even hot yet they get their aim done. and then they separate from that by. letting go of the trigger or letting go. of the safety and then if they don't. pull their Bow's not going off so it. makes the decision for them so from. about three years old to about 9 years. old that's what bod shot was attention. activate release until I saw it in him. that that's all he knew and that he. could run anything right and he's heard. me do the speech and so many times that. I didn't sit boy down and go okay boy.

this is how we're doing it he just heard. it so many times and me teaching other. people and me you know showing him like. we don't do that to the point where he. would go to the range little tiny kid. right he'd look up at somebody oh you. punched that one like boy that guy's way. bigger than your old man so let's just. on that right so but it was so funny but. now it's just you know what's happening. in bod mind and you can see it in his. eyes you see that squint you know the.

concentration is there and the only. advice that I ever give him is keep it. moving because I know that if he keeps. his release moving I know that his. conscious mind is in his release and. it's not in the aim people they are so. infatuated with the aim it's just it's. crazy they all try to control something. that they have no control over once you. put the pin on there it's done just. watch it to keep it right watch the. picture. and people like do I concentrate on the. pin or do I concentrate on the on the.

you know the target I'm like you don't. concentrate on either one of those you. just watch the picture make it so. they're both fairly in Focus they're on. different focal planes they're not both. going to be in Focus but they are so. infatuated with it that's why they. weight their bow up so much they can't. step away from it and certain. personalities have a difficult time. stepping away from the aim they want to. control that you can't control it no. matter which way it moves its next. movement's always back to the middle so. let it do its thing and don't slow it.

down too much so you know where you want. to hit yeah and just concentrate on that. spot just watch it don't concentrate on. it if you put mental concentration into. it like if you're thinking about like oh. God got to get it right now it's never. going to happen because you're going to. go open loop on the trigger if your. thought process is in your aim you will. go open loop on the trigger you will. punch the trigger every single time the. weird thing about it is it's so. counterintuitive to not worry about your.

PIN moving around right cuz your PIN is. going to move it's impossible to be. perfectly still exactly when you're. holding a bow and you're drawing back. it's like there's going to be a minimal. amount of movement no matter what but. your subconscious mind will always bring. that pin back to where you want it to go. and you just have to trust in that. process and that is a mind [ __ ]. people right because you're like no no. no I got to. when a pin gets there that's when I'm. going to release it right but you can't.

do that it's never it's not actually. there anymore though by the time you. process that and that's why people super. weight their bows like you'll see a lot. of Pros have like 50 ounces of weight on. their bow because and that's strictly. for their human psyche that is to calm. themselves down because they see that. slow pin movement but what we're trying. to get is a surprise break right you're. trying to get it concentrate on this. movement so you don't know when your bow. is going off so you can't your mind. can't put the pre-ignition movements in. there but then you couple that with this.

super slow pin movement well now it's in. the nine ring and if you keep going you. have the surprise break if it breaks in. the nine and it is a nine like on a. Vegas face Target if it breaks in the. nine and it is a nine it lands in the. nine then your bow is obviously too. heavy you've slowed the rate of return. down too much it's just like you know. you have to be able to break a shot in. the nine and it still hits a 10 if not. an X and that's how we tune bod's bow. everybody's like oh bod's so steady he's. not that steady right people think.

people think that because they don't see. a stabilizers moving very much but he. keeps him light so that his pin can. break anywhere in the gold and it'll hit. an X that's how we do that right we're. not trying to catch it because that's. open loop trigger work but some guys do. catch it they do and some of this is. what's weird right there's some guys. like Tim Gillingham and Kyle Douglas who. are like Elite worldclass archers who. hold their bow steady they put the pin. right there and then they pop they hit.

it so when you when very contentious. issue yeah so they when you talk to. those people they are of a very specific. personality they're calm dudes right I. talk to them all the time they're calm. dudes they're good dudes they're just. calm they have a specific personality so. they super weight their bow and they're. able to process that and they get it. there but it bites him in the butt every. now and again right so and you can't. stop that cuz you don't know what. pre-ignition movement's coming and you. see that in the shoot offs where you.

know they shoot amazing to get to the. shoot off but then there's one in there. that they didn't catch right that they. went open loop on well they go open loop. on all of them but there's one that they. got a little too efficient with it right. and this is nothing against those guys. they're amazing shooters that is the. other way of archery right super weight. your bow and catch it when it's in the. middle but you have to have a super. light trigger to do that so that your. pre-ignition movement is minimal right. so you don't have to have much of a.

movement I mean it's so light when you. when you actually work on their triggers. that's the other way of doing it that's. not what we do right I want I want fast. pin movement and I want Clos Loop. movement on the release and that seems. to be a higher level like when you go to. when you go to Vegas now there's a whole. other level right you have to be on your. game it is it is very high level now and. so what they're doing is almost like. obviously they're amazing archers.

they're so good at what they do and they. have sort of decided to eliminate some. of that anxiety by having a very hot. trigger and a very heavy bow getting it. so they know they can get that pin right. there and just touching it when it's. there which works a lot but not always. not always not always which is a mind. [ __ ] like how can you be one the best in. the world and be doing something wrong. well it's it's not wrong it's just it's.

just a different way of doing it right. it's it's not wrong by by any stretch of. the imagination I don't know that it has. the potential of Clos Loop release. movement it's close they could do. everything they're doing but incorporate. Clos Loop movements and it would be even. better well potentially be they would. have to probably lighten their bows up. and become friends with the movement. because if you have that super like. their pin moves really slow so if they.

have it moving slow and they continue. with that movement if it breaks in the. nine it's going to be a nine because it. can't get back to the middle fast enough. with how they have it weighted they have. to have the pin movement so slow that. they can it comes into the middle and. there's enough time for them to. recognize okay it's in the middle send. the signal to the release right and. that's all happening in you know. thousands of a second but it's it's only. there for a microc mhm right until it. floats out and the problem with that. system is if you go open loop on the.

trigger you don't know what preignition. movements coming is it a micro collapse. do you grab your bow slightly do you. winch your face all those are going to. deviate your point of impact and you're. trying to hit a penny every time you. know that's just an indoor archery if. you're shooting like Safari you're. shooting 101 yards if you go open loop. on the trigger with that who knows you. your Mist could be bigger so it's such. archery is such a Proving Ground for. mental control and it's one of the.

things that I love about it one of the. things that I love about it is like. archery doesn't give a [ __ ] how many. people like you whether whether your. friends text you back whether your wife. is upset with you archery doesn't give a. [ __ ] like if you don't do it right it. doesn't land where you want it to go and. I know that sometimes I can do it right. and so this this mind [ __ ] where I'll. just be like I have to stop practicing. sometimes cuz my shoulders are sore i'.

shot hundreds of I've been out there for. hours I'm like okay now your body is not. recovered enough to do this you got to. stop I get obsessed with it and what I'm. obsessed with is this ability to. recreate the movements and the mindset. that you need in order to do it. efficiently and accurately and then do. it again and again and again and then. you also have to avoid this thing where.

I like to sometimes I I'll make a shot. it's a perfect shot and I'm like good. I'm dialed in and then I don't do all. those things when I'm drawing back I. just draw back I Center my Peep and I. just fire another arrow and it doesn't. matter if it went in there I'm like. don't do it that way because you're not. doing it the way you're going to have to. do it if you're on a big bulll in the. woods if you see a big bull in the woods. and it's you know the 16 yard Gap in. between two trees and that's where his. vitals are you got to have all your eyes.

dotted and your te's crossed you can't. just rely on the fact you've already. shot 50 arrows in a row cuz you haven't. you've hiked up this mountain you're. exhausted there's all this [ __ ] going on. there's so it's such a mind [ __ ] like. almost nothing else I've ever done. because besides pool which is also a. mind [ __ ] but in pool you get to shoot a. bunch of other shots you get to shoot. the one ball the two warmed up to the. you get good position the four you're.

rolling with with archery every shot is. the nineball every shot is the money. ball and you only get one shot and it. might you go might go five six seven. days without shooting any shots cuz. you're out there hiking and carrying. your bow and trying to sneak up and get. down wind there's so much going on that. that moment is so hypercharged it's like. no other thing that I've ever done yeah. it's it's using the shot though like. that shot where you you had that shot.

was perfect like okay I'm good and then. you shoot again the difference was you. didn't decide on that next shot yes. right you didn't make the decision that. made your presence increase so that you. could remember to do all those steps and. it's using the shot and using the stress. you know like when I go elk hunting it's. just I'm using that elk for a stress. test right and it's so powerful to be. able to control your mind in such a.

situation it is amazingly powerful it. makes other decisions in life so much. easier right like if you're getting. ready for a I don't know getting ready. for a presentation if you're doing. surgery whatever it may be you can you. can get your mind where it needs to be. it's so funny because I have I have some. surgeons come to me for you know for. shooting practice and we do the. signature test I'm like do you hack on. people with a scalpel like that doc. they're like no I'm like how about we. buckle down and do it like you may do a.

a cut an incision like oh okay I get it. now right so it's interesting any any. type of precision professional that has. to do a movement in a high stress event. how do you get yourself to concentrate. and it's even more important when you're. on the instructor end of things how do. you get this other person to do it right. getting them to talk themselves through. it getting them to make the decisions. and that's what we've done we've mapped. all this stuff out so you can get other. people to do it for themselves and it's.

you know we just use archery cuz like. you said there's nothing like it nothing. it is such a crazy thing to be able to. control a movement that causes an. explosion what's fascinating to me is. it's made my rifle shooting so much. better like I'm so confident with a. rifle when I zoom in on something with a. rifle and I'm looking down that scope. and I've got that that crosshairs on it. I know all I have to do is just pull. pull P pull pull pull and especially if. I have a rest oh sure like if I'm prone.

and I'm like laying the rifle over my. backpack and you know you have all these. points of contact it's so much easier. it's so it's so different and that the. difficulty of archery it it it it. enhances and educates all these. different aspects of your life when it. comes to dealing with stressful high. pressure situations right it makes you. stay in the moment cuz you have to stay. in the moment in stand up comedy too. when you're when you're doing standup.

comedy you can't think like oh I hope. they laugh at this next one oh I hope I. don't [ __ ] this joke up oh I might be. losing the crowd you can't think any of. that you have to be if I'm talking about. coffee or something like that whatever. I'm talking about on stage I have to be. thinking about that coffee if I'm not. that audience knows it they smell it. they're animals they're like this. motherfucker's not even thinking about. what he's talking about they know it's a. weird thing yeah and it's the same kind. of thing like you have to be in that. mindset and I've had shows before where.

maybe I was too relaxed or too confident. or too whatever and then you'll stumble. a little bit and then you got to re. establish where you're at and you got to. stay in like uhoh uhoh we're losing. control here you might have [ __ ] that. joke up get back in the mindset think. about what you're talking about bring. these people back to you get in there. and it's kind of it applies to so many.

High Press situations is that the mind. gets away from you you see it in traffic. accidents where people panic and they. hit the gas instead of the brakes or. they just [ __ ] they don't know what. to do they freak out because they can't. stay calm in the movement in the moment. and just concentrate on what they're. supposed to be doing rather than the. desired result they want to achieve yeah. and that's why I think archery is one of. the ultimate Proving Grounds yeah for. mental control like I said they may have.

done it before like yeah you know they. may have done it before but they never. blueprinted how they did it right you. know and that is so huge how do you get. yourself in that zone before you're. before you're deal on stage or whatever. you know how you do it now because. you've done it hundreds if not thousands. of times but when it comes down to like. life or death stuff that's where you. know you're a very determined person. just in the way that you live your life. it's cam very determined person right. so that's how you get to where you get.

to it's the first ingredient in this. whole control factor is having enough. determination to do that and like you. have a why you you have a why as to why. you're doing this my why was I was. scared to death man in the sniper world. I was like man I hope it doesn't go bad. and I'm like that can't be the mindset. holy ma but it is the mindset of most. cuz they don't have a why you know if if. a cop's never been in a gunfight or a.

shooting their why is. artificial right and that's it's scary. the first time that you that you do that. you know having that why and seeing like. I was in a HR where I you know had to. use lethal force on a person that was I. had to put a round this far from another. human being's face right and it was. that's my why so when I do training on. the team it's like you guys don't. understand when you're when you see when. you're looking through your optic at a.

reticle and there's somebody's face on. the edge of the I mean their face is. fully in your scope and the reticle is. right on the edge right and you have to. put the round past their head that's. your why right so that's your why for. all this tactical training that you do. but if you've never been there and done. that you have to learn how to. manufacture. determination right can you imagine what. failure would be in that situation well. tell the story if you don't mind the the.

the story you told me about the guy who. was methed out yeah so got a SWAT call. out of a of a hostage rescue there was a. an unarmed barricaded subject with a. hostage and you never know that's all. the information you get on the call out. right so we go there um I get there and. it was weird because on the brief I. walked up to the house and the the SWAT. Commander briefed me at the at the head. of the garage there and it was light. colored concrete it's dark you know we.

didn't have a bunch of lights on cuz the. operation is active in that house right. there but the room was in kind of the. back of the house and I I remember he's. talking to me telling me the situation. and I'm looking on the ground and I'm. like what is all that stuff on the. ground right and I'm looking at these. dark patches on the ground so I turn my. flashlight on and it's blood there's. blood all over the place on this on the. walkway down from the garage I'm like. what is up with that and he's like well. this guy stabbed his cousin and then.

took his own daughter hostage user as a. human shield with a knife to her so. that's how SWAT got called and all this. stuff so I get. there and I got to be I'm up on a ladder. over a wood fence and we're about I'm. only like 15 yards from the from the. window but we can't see anything in the. window and the negotiator's on the phone. with this guy and he's not really making. a lot of sense he wants to talk to his. girlfriend blah blah blah he's got the. his daughter in there with him and we.

can hear her through the wall right we. can hear her sometimes she's screaming. sometimes she's crying sometimes she's. laughing so we don't know what is going. on in there right and it go this goes on. for the negotiators are on the phone. with them for a while and then finally. the decision's made like we have to get. in there because it's it's starting to. go south in. negotiations and we lost calms with the. guy and so you're worried he's going to. stab his daughter yeah we I mean he's. already done that to his cousin right I. mean stabbed him in the face and the.

legs and the arms big Kar knife it was. was not a good situation so yeah and. he's already used her as a human shield. right when the when the cops what. happened is there was a big fight went. on the cops got in got everybody out. then they realized the daughter was. hiding behind a couch so they go back in. they restack up they go back in now he's. got the daughter around the waist using. her as a human shield knifed to her and. he kicks the door shut on a bedroom. that's what starts the SWAT call out so.

we're look I'm looking this window it's. got blinds on it you know negotiations. are going south we lose calms with the. guy so finally we're like we got to get. calms with this dude so we're going to. put a throw phone in so we put a throw. phone a throw phone's like a it's like a. box it's got a phone in it so you can. the negotiators can talk to the. dude and so we put that in there my. buddy rips the blinds out when rip the. blinds out there's the dude again I. can't see him cuz I'm I can only see.

like half the room and he's on the right. he's in the right corner of the room and. I'm over over this. fence. and the window guys are yelling at him. to drop the girl drop the knife you know. they get him all the commands and he's. kind of working his way along the wall. he's got her around the waist so he. would hold her up up above you know so. they can't get a shot and so he's moving. his way across the wall and then he. moves his way across this wall and ends. up in this corner sits down and pulls.

her up over the top of him and so the. windows on the same wall as this corner. and I can't see any of this stuff I'm. the sniper team leader. so I work my way around and I get to. this gate I'm like they called fire. priority to the window team and I'm like. I'm on the wrong team right so cuz he's. got there's like six dudes at the window. and nobody's shooting I'm like why in. the F for these guys not shooting cuz I. couldn't see what they saw but just.

what's going through my head so I I get. off the ladder I run to this gate and. I'm it's weird this stuff you remember. they had this it was like one of those. latch type of locks and it had a bolt. through it with the nut all the way. buried and this bolt was like it felt. like it was this long right so I'm. having to unscrew this freaking bolt. right I'm screwing it's the finest. threads I've ever felt right so I'm. unscrewing this bolt finally Bing I get. that I go through the gate I come around. I come up to the. window and there was another officer.

that was had his basically his face. planted against the window so that he. could you know could just barely see. through this sliver because it was on. the same. wall and uh so and he wasn't shooting. and I'm like why are you not shooting. and so we actually end up having to. remove him off the ladder CU he I don't. know what he was thinking he wasn't. hearing us we were giving him commands. to get off the ladder so I could get up. there and evaluate the situation I'm. shooting a my sniper rifle is a uh it.

was a gas operated 308 and lowest power. on the scope was four and a half and. I've told I told the admin years ago I'm. like I need lower power because it's. going to be close probably when it when. it does happen and sure enough it was so. I get up on this ladder and I put my. face against the against the wall and I. can just see through the sliver I can. see him sitting and I can see her on you. know sitting in his lap basically and. he's got his arm around her. and so and the the team keeps giving. them commands and I'm looking at this.

shot and I'm evaluating what's going on. and I'm thinking to myself I'm gonna. have to shoot him. left-handed and I'm thinking lowest. power is four and a half so I do an. optic check on the wall I'm like that. ain't going to work so I'm thinking to. myself I'm going to have to shoot him. with my pistol when you say optic check. it's because it's moving too much no. yeah too much magnification so there was. a picture something on the wall so I I. brought my my rifle up and looked looked. at I'm like that ain't going to work it. it was just blurry it's four and a half. power the shots only 11 ft like 12T 11t.

so I uh so I'm like this isn't I don't. have the right tool so I'm thinking I'm. going have to shoot my. handgun and then I'm thinking I always. preach handguns suck for killing stuff. right so that's why I always tell my. guys handguns suck for killing stuff we. don't use handguns if we don't have to. but I'm thinking I got the wrong tool. what am I going to do so I'm thinking. wait a minute stupid there's six guys. standing at the window that have the. right tool right because they all have. their assault.

rifles and uh so I the first guy and it. just happened to be the guy that we. pulled off the ladder I'm like give me a. rifle he's like what go give me a rifle. so we we swap rifles and he says HK416. and the reason he said that was because. on HK416 if you flip the safety twice. you go to full auto right so don't want. to do that right in a Precision. environment right so I'm like Roger that. and so I got up and the window's broken.

at this point so when you step up to the. window you're literally walking on. broken glass okay so I step up that the. glass all pops underneath my. feet and I push the rifle I got to shoot. left-handed right so I push the rifle in. and I come around the corner now the. rifle butt is in my bicep with somebody. else's Rifle right but I know this rifle. is zeroed because it has to be zeroed. because to get through my qualification. a month earlier it had to be zeroed. right so I knew that things were good.

but I also knew that you got to aim two. and a half inches higher than where you. want to hit because that's a mechanical. offset right difference between bore. height and sight height two and a half. inches so I push the rifle in the window. and I come around the corner and I look. and the little girl is looking right at. me right cuz all the broken class so. she's looking right at me and I I bring. the reticle up and it's full pop. brightness right I can't see anything. because it's he had it set for a white. light shot so when you when you turn.

your super bright flashlight on on your. rifle it will it will blare out your. reticle so you got to have your reticle. turned way up well he had it set for a. white light shot but I wasn't going to. do a white light shot so I I looked I'm. like oh no so just like you're thinking. your your thing didn't turn on when. you're looking at this nil guy I'm. looking at this R Red Sun in a dimly lit. room and I'm like this ain't going to. work so I pulled the rifle back out of. the window and now I got to work on the. buttons on this site well this isn't my.

rifle right so now I got to find the. button that dims the dims the Red Dot so. I'm messing around with this thing and. the whole team is outside and they're. watching this right because they're. going to go on my shot now this dude had. the had the door barricaded with a TV. and a TV stand all that stuff so they. were going to have to hit the door hard. but they were going to get a running. start at it but I moved them out cuz. they were right on the other side of the. door but I didn't know if my round was. going to go through the wall or not so I. moved them out so we got them out so. they're all watching this [ __ ] show.

basically of me on this optic and. they're thinking what are you doing. Turner right and I'm thinking I'm like I. just got to get this thing turned down. right so I messed with the buttons and I. finally get to the to the right one so. I'm like okay good so I go back up to. the window you know glass breaks again. po pop underneath my feet I Come Around. the Corner does this guy know you're. there I don't know. because he was I mean who knows what. kind of mental state he was in and I was.

trying not to be too that's why I didn't. turn on any lights or. anything so I Come Around the Corner. again and I look in there I'm like okay. I got the right brightness but it's too. close right like her head was like an. inch cuz what I'm looking at is this so. like this is the back of her head I'm. looking at his eyeball oh wow so I got. like an. inch I'm like n it's too. close and remember that almost so this. was on this was in December a year. earlier it was 364 days after I made.

that decision in that tree stand when I. mapped things right so now between 14. December of 14 and December of 15 now. I'm I have control of what's going on. and I made that vow right long ago that. I'm not going to shoot an uncontrolled. shot so I come around the corner and I'm. looking and she's of course looking at. me and it's close I'm like nah I ain't. going to do that so I'm. waiting and then he moves his head back.

right I'm like okay 2 and 1 half in of. mechanical offset but his hair his head. his face is all covered in hair like. this giant mop of hair so I couldn't see. the geography of his face at all like. I'm going I want to put it in his. eyeball but I don't I can't see it right. so I'm just going by the curvature of. his of his forehead I know I got to aim. 2 and a half Ines over that so I put it. up there safety off fingers on the. trigger and a two- stage trigger so I. took the first stage out here I go I.

remember saying that and then when I'm. when I'm working on rifle stuff it's. it's kind of an audible exhale so right. so I that's my that's my concentration. guidance so I put it two and a half. inches over where I wanted to hit. safety's off take the stage out of the. trigger here I. go and he moves his head back right Bo. and he pops it back against the back of. her head. and it's funny the stuff you remember. because I remember his hair. swishing right and he's so now he's back.

and it's too close again so I'm like I'm. waiting he moves his head back again so. he moves his head back again now I've. got better you know it's faster for me. to aim where I need to aim so I put it. where I need to stages out here I go and. the shot broke and the rest is history. so it but worst case scenario in terms. of tension terms of. consequences methed up guy knif to this.

girl I mean it's just the whole that was. the culmination of everything that was. the start of shot IQ cuz now I'm like. this is no [ __ ] right this is how to. concentrate in high stress events right. so and it was cool because I had I had. lots of highlevel military operators. that I was able to bounce ideas off of. like cuz I'm not getting in gunfight. every day so I go hey man is this real. or is this not real they're like yeah. how'd you figure that out I'm like I.

don't know I'm just a dumb cop man just. just thinking you know and so I was able. to bounce things off of people that were. actually that had been there and done. that and that's you know when you're. looking for solving a problem you have. to find those people that have solved it. before but it's so rare to find somebody. that's solved it before and blueprinted. how they did it you know that's what's. rare yeah in in the instruction and just. in in general you know there's lots of. mentors out there that have been there. and done that in whatever field you're. looking for but did they blueprint it I.

know a lot of bow Hunters just bow hunt. a lot and that's their blueprint and a. lot of these guys are like very. effective trigger punchers and one of. the reasons why they could do it is. because they're shooting at animals all. the time I mean I know guys that hunt. 200 plus days a year so the time between. the last Arrow they shot on an animal is. very small so they're more calm they're. more prepared yeah they've inoculated. themselves to it but when you ask these.

people even if they're trigger punchers. they will still do a couple very. specific things they will separate from. the aim somehow however they do it right. and they all say something every one of. them to a person I've interviewed. hundreds of snipers successful rifle. Hunter successful bow hunters and they. all say something at full draw because. that's what keeps you in the present. moment and that's what keeps you in a. closed loop that is their decision right. whether whatever it is right whatever.

they say you know when you when you look. at these people like how did you how did. you figure how who taught you how to. shoot well my grandpa my dad whatever it. may be but nobody ever teaches that. because we don't ask the right questions. right we don't go hey you know. professional Archer what are you. thinking about when you're at full draw. and most of them couldn't even tell you. so you ask the question what do you say. oh I don't really want to tell you it's. kind of embarrassing or whatever they. all say something it's always different.

but they all say something that's the. pattern of success I asked Remy Warren. about this and one of the things Remy. says is he it's he goes it sounds crazy. but I try to be the arrow sure I mean. it's really I love that like you are the. arrow like the arrow goes where you want. it to go so be the arrow yeah like when. so he's shooting he's not going oh I. hope it hits he's like looking at that. animal he's like that's where I'm going. to. hit Arrow I believe so I mean you have.

to ask him pretty sure that's what he. said that's the thing man everybody says. something so that's how he gets his. Consciousness into whatever that is now. if we take that and we refine that and. put it into the actual movement that we. want to happen that's when you get to. that higher level right it's so. fascinating how the mind is geared to. survival geared to react quickly to high. stress Panic situations the adrenaline. pumps but you don't have an operator's.

manual right on how to navigate the. various stages of anxiety and these. states that only occur rarely under very. high pressure situations and you don't. have a lot of experience with them like. you see that in street fights where. people who don't have training they have. no idea what to do and you see the wall. the walls just close. I'll never forget this um this I mean. this is a clearly untrained person we.

were at The Comedy Store and The Comedy. Store is on Sunset in Hollywood and uh. there was a fight that was taking place. across the street and there was all. these cars that were passing by while I. was watching these guys yell at each. other and push each other and then I see. this one guy whose eyes are squinting. and he's decided to like he he's decided. to engage in this guy and I don't know. if he's intox I'm sure I'm sure he's. intoxicated but they're talking [ __ ] and.

they're pushing and then all of a sudden. I see him literally like closed eyes. like squinting head up in the air and. he's swinging like with open hands and. then a bus goes in between him and I and. the guys fighting and then when the bus. passes he's out cold oh jeez he's out. cold and the other guy walks off and I'm. like wow like watching that guy panic. and watching that guy in a situation. where he probably never been before.

didn't know what to do had talked. himself into this terrible situation. where he's an untrained fighter an. untrained guy who's fighting with. another person and this guy's also. untrained they both sucked but this one. guy kept it together slightly more and. cracked this dude with a hay maker I. guess I mean I don't know but he was. just out cold on the street and I. remember thinking wow an anxiety is. crazy it's it's th those the heart. beating the adrenaline pumping and all.

that it's like those moments overwhelm. people where they can't stay in the. moment yeah and I think what you've done. with your shot IQ course is you've given. people not just the tools to be. effective at archery but the tools to. understand how to control your mind. during High Press situations and stay in. the moment and do the thing that's.

difficult to do under those high. pressure situations and not just want it. to be over with quick you just want it. to be over with and you see that in. fights too where guys like swing when. the guys nowhere near them they they'll. just do stuff because they just want to. and they leave their face exposed and. they they throw technique out the window. it's just anxiety yeah and knowing that. these things exist and having. like a followable course where you can. this is what's going on in your mind.

this is how you control your mind and. you have to talk to yourself yeah you. have to be able to stay in the moment. and the best way to stay in the moment. is to actually have words going off in. your mind yeah yeah and I I get to the. opportunity to talk to psychologist and. I just had one at the house that came. for a clinic and he it's funny when you. talk to these people because it's hard. to find a psychologist that has been.

there and done the things that we're. talking about right and they usually go. too deep so there's a depth that you. can't go past because it becomes. intangible right so when you're I ask. the doctor like Doc am I right when I. say this he's like oh yeah that's this. and this and this and this I'm like is. that how you teach it well yeah that's. what I talk about. well it's too deep right it's intangible. when you talk about but people aren't. going to carry it with them in a high.

pressure situation how do you how do you. increase confidence right at the moment. of truth how do you get your conscious. bubble to get the same size as your. self-image bubble it's all intangible. stuff right this is what I'm talking. about is how do you get it it's tangible. this is the tool that you need to use. this is why you're using it and this is. what happens right and people take. instruction and they're looking for the. magic pill right like oh if I take your. course is this going to fix me not if.

you have that approach it's not right. because I can't teach you determination. I can help you find it right like uh in. swat training I A lot of times we have. to run 100 meters and shoot 100 meters. standing unsupported 8 in steel plate. doesn't sound that hard but when you're. huffing and puffing and if you go open. loop you're going to miss so I remember. this one time one of my snipers is he'd. Run 100 meters get get to where I was. shoot pow Miss 20 push-ups right 20. push-ups Run 100 meters down and back.

come up pow. Miss and I'm like 20 push-ups so he does. 20 push-ups come back down pal Miss 20. push-ups this time I got down the ground. with him I said what's your job he said. sir my job is to hit the target I said. that's not your job your job is to move. the trigger slow enough you could stop. it that's your job right if you do that. there's no way you can miss the the. Target and so then after that there was. no more misses but he didn't have his. job defined right your job is your job.

is not to kill the bull elk your job is. to not even to shoot the shot your job. is to move your trigger slow enough you. could stop it when you do your job your. actual job the results take care of. themselves and there's a lot of stuff. that we have no control over you can't. control that access to your jump in your. string right you can't do that you have. to stay in your job but you got to have. defined what is that what is the true. problem here right and and I you know I.

was just like anybody else trying to. figure out this shot control thing but I. didn't know what the problem was nobody. had actually defined the problem your. subconscious mind will not allow you to. cause your body impact as a surprise. that's the problem in shooting in. general anticipation yeah and once we. figured that out now we can start to. attack what Sciences do I need to figure. out that that deal with this stuff and I. was lucky to have the right people in. the right places to figure this stuff. out but it's putting it in that package.

so that you can Define your job and then. how do you attack it right so it's such. an amazing thing that you've done that I. really feel. like it should be mandatory I really do. I think there's so many people that go. out into the woods to hunt uh archery. and they don't know what's going to. happen when they pull that trigger the. first time they've never done it before. yeah so the first time they ever do it. it's like who yeah you know there's.

there's and if they knew what you're. teaching I really think that the rate of. success would go up exponentially and. the rate of bad shots taken would go up. as well that would go down I really I. really believe that people would be far. more effective and just trying to erase. the mystery in it right like when you. shoot your next shot on whatever hunt. you're going on or whatever you're doing. you know how it's gonna go there's no. mystery to it you know you're gonna draw. back and aim You Know That You're Gonna.

Roll to the click in your hinge you know. you're going to say here I go you know. you're going to say pull pull pull. there's no mystery to it anymore whereas. most people they have mystery in their. shot they don't know how it's going to. go they hope it goes well and then. there's this thing that people do where. the moment of the shot goes off they. move their bow cuz they want to see sure. it's a pre-ignition movement yeah it's. they call it PE. yeah yeah and it's it's a real problem. with with bow hunting if you stay in the. process we're talking about you can't.

Peak cuz you don't know when your bow is. going off so your body doesn't know when. to do that it doesn't know when to do. all these weird preignition movements. that it does to brace you and you don't. even know you're going to do it until. you do it and then you're like what the. [ __ ] is wrong with me right you know I. remember being there man I remember I. missed so many I mean I'm a two-time. world elk calling Champion I can call. Elkin like a chicken on a string but but. I could not hold myself together it was. ridiculous man the some of the shots I. took I'm like what just happened it's.

like somebody else shot the shot for me. black complete blackouts all this stuff. well it's amazing that there's all these. different people that come up with all. these different methods to try to beat. Target panic and one of the things they. do they work on the mechanics by blind. bailing and what blind bailing is for. the people don't understand archery is. you literally stand in front of a large. Target like a bail like a bail of p and. you stand close to it and all you're. doing you're not even thinking about. where you're going to hit a lot of times. you close your eyes and you're just.

going through the mechanics of the shot. so the mechanics of the shot get. programmed into your system which gives. you a little more confidence that you. know how to do the mechanics but it. doesn't stop you from freaking out at. the moment it just doesn't and so all. these people that have all these. different methods it's it's really like. someone who doesn't understand what's. really going on trying to explain it to. someone who also doesn't understand. what's really going on you know like is.

that good for defining and refining your. Mo your movements as an Archer certainly. you should teach someone how to Blind. bail when you're first learning archery. because you want them to be able to. understand how the shot should break but. exactly without the knowledge that. you're presenting of what's going on in. that high pressure situation they're. going to spazz out and they're going to. go open loop yeah it's but in the. instruction for decades that's been it.

right we blind bail and people spend. months like you should blind bail for. six months or maybe you start with a. close Target and then you move it out. slightly slightly slightly all that is. trying to get you to do is separate from. the aim so just let's cut to the chase. man right don't waste 6 months of your. life shooting a blind baale let's shoot. a good shot blueprint it understand. exactly how you do it and then you have. to test it on a Target and you know some. people like well as soon as I and this. is even in my course and I have to take. this out because I filmed that course in.

2015 and 16 and since then the online. course I've got lots of updates to it. but there's one portion of it that I. need to take out because in there I say. and this is how it was when I first. started when it was in its infancy if. you detect an error let the shot down. right that makes sense right if you. detect an error let it down I don't say. that anymore because now every time you. detect an error like let's say that you. draw back and you're like oh man I'm.

really shaky oh wait I'm not supposed to. be thinking about my aim let it down. right well your subconscious just won. that shot it's like oh if I get Joe to. shake and recognize that he'll bail out. of the shot your subconscious does not. want you to create an explosion in your. body it it never just intuitively wants. that so if it can get you to bail out. out of a shot it will so now when you. detect an error when you are training. when you detect an error you're not.

allowed to let down you have to stay at. full draw and fix it in the shot. recognize the problem understand how to. fix it maybe another here I go to. increase your presence so that you can. concentrate but you have to fix it in. the shot we don't let people let down. anymore and that's people are like oh. the archery instructors are going to. lose their mind when they hear they're. like oh my God Turner's telling people. not to let down I let down in. tournaments if I have a shot that went. stale because I wasn't thinking about. the right movement shot maybe go stale.

you'll see bod do that every now and. again there's a certain point of. pressure in the bow where you're not. going to hit the X there's too much. pressure built up right it's not going. to hit the X so if you have time too on. the clock you let it down but recognize. what was the problem there ah wasn't. thinking about the movement I was. thinking about my aim or whatever very. interesting when you look at bod's uh. interview from Lancaster in. 21 or 22 actually when he shot that 660.

because they interview him right after. that shot and he let it down before he. actually shot it his 60th arrow for the. 660 and he tells you exactly what's. going through his head he says oh man my. pin was jumping from red to. red and that's he left it at that I'm. like well that's why it went stale cuz. you're thinking about your PIN shaking. on target so you're not thinking about. moving the release and then they ask him. about the next shot well I was just it. was it was good enough so I just kept my. release.

moving thank you very much right that's. what that's where the Mind needs it's so. counterintuitive it is but it's just the. way it works right and so just cutting. to the Chase and cutting out all the. crap and giving people a specific. blueprint to eliminate the mystery in. your shot right or in your whatever. you're doing right whenever a Precision. professional needs to concentrate this. is how you do it in a tangible way and I. feel like there's a way to translate.

this to many other things I don't feel. like this is just limited to archery and. I think it's like I said that it's it's. like the ultimate Proving Ground for. being able to overcome anxiety and be. able to stay in the moment but I feel. like that could be like the principles. that you're applying could be given to. all sorts of other high stress. occupations. yeah anytime anytime somebody has to. concentrate for whatever it may be this.

is how you do it right and it it may be. for a movement it may not be it may be a. major decision that you have to make it. may be a surgeon right it may be a pilot. it may be a a jet mechanic it it could. be anything where you have to. concentrate on a movement where there. are consequences if you screw it up and. concentrating on those movements in the. mind and talking yourself through the. movements rather than don't [ __ ] this up. oh my God I hope I don't crash oh my God. I don't cut the wrong artery oh my God I.

hope I don't do this it's like the the. selft talk is so important because if. you don't have a positive selft talk. like a a a. constructive technical selft talk you're. going to allow the mind to have a bunch. of other [ __ ] to think about and. concentrate on and focus on and a lot of. that is counter intuitive a lot of that. is counterproductive and it's very. strange how the mind will sabotage you.

but it just will it just will because. it's your mind's not designed to shoot. arrows your mind's designed to run away. from a cheetah right or something you. know something is trying to eat you or. you know a Waring tribe member who's. chasing after you like you got to run. you got to get out of there quick you. can't think yeah it's that fight ORF. flight stuff I me you're you're. overriding that every time you shoot an. arrow yes and uh yeah it's it's just. powerful stuff for I know guys they take. drugs to try to get past it they take uh. beta blockers to try to like kill all.

their anxiety and kill all of their I. mean their their nerves and their. adrenaline yeah but you know you can't. rely on that and not only that they test. for those things archery competitions. they it's fascinating yeah you know it's. um it's so interesting that people have. been bow hunting for so long and then. you come along with this one method that. really changes everything and I really. think it does I mean there's been great.

archery coaches that have come up with. ways to. overcome Target Panic John Dudley came. up with um this this hinge or rather. this um this silver back release. completely tension activated and what. that is if people don't understand is. you don't know when it's going off so. you pull and it's set to a few pounds. over the draw weight of your bow so you. pull all the way back you're holding it.

in place and then you release the safety. and then you pull slightly harder and it. goes off but you really don't know when. it's going to go off but you are. anticipating that it's going to go off. and sometimes just like oh when's it. going to go off when's it going to go. off oh Jesus I hope it works and then it. goes off like it could work or it could. not work yeah that there's nothing wrong. with the tension activated release it's. a great release yeah but it would be way. better if you knew what the process was.

what's going on in your mind as you're. doing it if you say here I go and then. you like pull pull pull bang and then it. goes off instead of all that oh my God. what's happening I don't [ __ ] this up. I don't miss don't wound the animal. don't [ __ ] shoot over his head don't. don't look like an [ __ ] don't hate. yourself again don't yeah yeah there's. all that stuff the tension activate. release was was quite an invention it it.

changed like I said was the evolution. the first one of those the cter I. believe so yeah that's the one I B was. involved that's the one I bought bod. when he was when he was three years old. and it separates it for you it's a. mechanical fix to a mental problem mhm. the problem is that it's so based on. preload how much you're pulling when you. let that safety off that there's no. professional Archer out out there that. shoots attention activate release right. cuz it's not the most accurate system. but it's the easiest one to control.

because of that safety right and it. makes the decision for you because if. you don't pull your Bow's not going off. so what I do when I in my clinics when I. have somebody that's not determined. enough to make a decision like they just. keep punching the trigger like I don't. know why this isn't working it's because. nothing works for you in shooting right. in shot control nothing works for you. you have to work for it the only thing. we're teaching you is what work needs to. be done and how to do the work but you. take this tension activate release if. they just won't stop punching whatever. other release they're doing I'll take.

that tension AC release and I'll screw. that sucker down where it won't go off. right so okay here's how it works I tell. them how it works push the safety in. draw back and aim then take the safety. off and you got to pull okay yeah no. problem so they push the safety in and. this may be a person that hasn't even. been able to aim yet like they're always. locked off Target safety's on they draw. back and now all of a sudden they can. aim cuz the safety's on right so now. they can separate from that aim they're. like okay and they kind of timidly take. the safety off and like okay now you got.

to do is pull so Here Comes the Flood. right so they start pulling and they're. just pulling a little bit and then all. of a sudden they give it this big old. yank but it doesn't go off right right. so I'm like okay push the safety in let. it down what were you thinking about. well I was thinking about pulling and. then there's always a and then I started. thinking about when's it going to go off. how much is it's going to take why. hasn't it gone off yet and that's the. moment which autopilot the subconscious. comes in and gives it that big old help.

right so then I have okay here's what. you need to do here I go take the safety. off then say here I go to up your. presence and then talk yourself through. mov okay yeah sure here we go so they do. it they take the safety off and they. start pulling and then you can see the. change we're like okay I guess I guess. got to pull so they keep pulling and. pulling and pulling and pulling they're. just shaking like crazy but it doesn't. go off safety in let it down what are. you thinking about I was just thinking. about pulling thank you now we can start. right until you get them singular minded.

then we blueprint how did you get. yourself to do that what were you saying. what were you thinking what were you. saying could you stop it what decisions. did you make right I was using attention. activated release for a while yeah and I. was using attention activated release. with your principles and I shot one of. the best shots I've ever shot and. there's a photo out there with me and. cam with this elk right perfect shot 67. yards 10 ringd them perfect and it was. in that thing because I knew cam was. filming it and there a lot of pressure. he's one of my best friends sure sure.

you know taught me how to shoot he's. right next to me and it's like this big. [ __ ] elk he just got done fighting. this elk and he moves and he moves. broadside and Cam's like take the shot. so I draw back I Center it I pull it. through and it was just perfect and I'll. never forget watching that Arrow because. I have a green lumino and I'm watching. that green lumino just swap Just Right. In the spot and after that shot it was a. perfect shot but after that shot I. realized that's not the most accurate.

way to do this that I feel like there's. something about the tension activated. thing I need to apply that now to uh a. trigger into a hinge and so I started. moving to that and it was this thing. like oh boy now this is a totally. different thing but go through the same. principles again yep and it's helped me. tremendously it's made such a big. difference right to know that you have. to control those movements and you have. to have that selft talk you have to have. that Mantra you have to have that thing.

in your mind we stay in the presence. yeah you should be able to control any. release yeah I should be able to fill. this table with releases and go there. you go Joe and just you know index. finger trigger thumb button hinge. tension activated pick it up understand. how the trigger works and control it and. is that possible even with an index. trigger if you're just pulling the. trigger so even an index trigger a full. draw if you just like pull pull pull. pull pull [ __ ] with finger usually so.

what we do is we teach people to open. their whole hand and just wrap their. finger around the trigger and then pull. their hand through the strap they're not. moving their finger at all they're just. pulling their hand through the strap. it's easier to control this bigger. movement right so when they do that that. I mean that's plenty of motion to be. able to do that and so they just hook in. here I go pull but there's a there's. aign desire to pull with the finger. right though there is right but when you. that's why we use index finger like if. people bring me the worst piece of crap.

with a whole bunch of travel gritty. Sears all kinds of nastiness right I'm. like perfect because when you control. that one and you understand how you did. it the world is yours right and then you. get into selecting a release like okay. this release I can go Clos loop on this. easier I can evaluate the movement the. pressure increase without a bunch of. travel so now once you have this. knowledge you can actually pick a. release that you can evaluate best right. and it's you know it may be a thumb.

button it may be a hinge it may be a. index finger trigger there's all kinds. of releases out there but the whole. archery industry is built around Target. Panic isn't that crazy it's crazy man. well well being you and having come up. with this system and recognizing that. what's interesting to me is I see. resistance and I see people that they. they get upset at your they don't do it. your way so they get upset that you're. teaching this and they're like no no no.

no no I don't believe this and I don't. believe that but it's it's fascinating. because you see that with all sorts of. other things where there's a high rate. of failure when someone comes up with. solution everybody wants to think they. have the solution I don't want to mind. [ __ ] myself I already got it figured out. I'm a stone C killer once I'm on the. target I never miss yeah and they say. that to themselves because they want to. believe that yeah and I'm not I'm not. trying to change if if you are a stone. cold killer and you are you have a. system on how you do it that's awesome.

but it's when you try to put it to. somebody else right like I didn't grow. up being a good shot I grew up being a. horrible shot but just loving shooting. so much that I wanted to figure it out. and then I had these sounding Boards of. you know my determination well was deep. with the sniper stuff but I had this. sounding board of bow hunting where I. was constantly failing right so if you. have a system and you know how you do it. if you know exactly how you're going to. shoot your next shot then you don't need. to change a thing but if you don't know.

if there's any mystery in that then. that's a problem I mean do you want to. be the person that that you know. somebody calls you in a big old bull or. whatever and you botch a super easy shot. that you certainly should have made. there can be no mystery so if you don't. have mystery more power to you if you. you know if if there's any mystery in it. you better get it out yeah because there. are Unique Individuals that just keep. their [ __ ] together sure that's a. personality thing yeah and it is like.

these very calm people that just know. how to stay calm but good luck teaching. that yeah you know you you can teach. someone to not be calm but to work their. way through it and still execute a. perfect shot yeah I don't usually put. relaxation in any portion of the. instruction because it's probably not. going to happen right right I don't okay. this is the relaxed stage this is the. stage you how you do that well you can. do things to control your breathing and. you can do things to control your heart. rate so that that breathing and and uh I.

don't know if was on your podcast but. huberman was talking about that you. inhale through your nose and then you. give it an extra inhale so you inhale to. the top and then you do it again which. inflates different stuff in your lungs. well I always we always did combat. breathing right in through the nose for. four hold for four out through the mouth. for four hold for four that was what we. always did in tactical stuff and that's. the only breathing techniques I've. learned I listened to huberman's thing.

and I used it at Vegas this year because. Vegas indoor. archery is strange because it is a just. a it's just a yellow line on the floor. it's the only thing that makes me. nervous I shake like a dog crap in tax. when I'm on that yellow line and say. this is your first scoring end and. everybody knows what that means they're. like I mean it is a thing an indoor Arch. cuz your target is so small right and if. bod misses the 10 Ring when he's. shooting for his 900 in Vegas just to.

get to the shoot off if you miss one. time your weekend is done right you just. lost six figures with one shot so much. pressure right so it's just indoor. archery and I shoot Bebo right and it's. it's very competitive but it's not I. mean I can I can miss I don't have to. hit the T ring every time but for some. reason I don't know if it's the. expectation but I shake like crazy an. indoor archery and I invite it right I'm. like yeah this is a concentration test.

now I'm getting through my freaking. mechano receptive trigger no matter what. I mean you see people shoot their name. tags and shoot them into the bleachers. and it's dude it's crazy it is a massive. [ __ ] show in indoor archery it is. amazing what that yellow line does to. you on the floor but if you listen to. your body when when you're on that line. and it's for score you can learn so much. right like I get to shoot at Lancaster I. get to shoot 60 arrows in a day on that.

line and Vegas I get to shoot 30 arrows. a day right you get to shoot one two. maybe three arrows a year at big bull. elk and that's more than most people get. right most people get one shot in 10. years how in the world do you practice. what what's going to happen to your body. so getting on that line of indoor. archery I highly recommend people do. that and you know shoot it for score put. some pressure on yourself right there's. a lot of money at stake with these. things and it's just I can't find it.

anywhere else but after doing huberman's. breathing technique that was pretty cool. this year it was it was different I. watched that for some reason I watched. it right before I was on the line in. Vegas so what is the specific thing that. you do so you breathe in through your. nose to the. top and then you give it an extra and. you'll feel the tension right and then. it's a long exhale through the. mouth and it's it's I'm sure it does the. same thing that combat breathing does. that box breathing but it's it worked.

better and it's faster right box. breathing is you know you've got several. four counts in there when you may not. have enough time for that so I found it. very valuable it was really cool stuff. are you surprised that you're the only. one that's put this to archery that. you've mapped this out and you know. we're talking about who knows how many. hundreds of thousands of people are. involved in competitive archery and bow. hunting are you are you surprised that.

the amount of time that people have been. doing this and the amount of time that. people been dealing with as you said. there's like an entire industry that's. built around Target panic but that no. one has ever gotten to the root cause of. what this is and recognize that not only. is this applicable to archery is it's. applicable to all high pressure. situation where you have to physically. perform right so I think it was The. Perfect Storm of the jobs that I had.

right again the sounding board of bow. hunting the job of of tactical work. that's that's not a it's it's a rare. combination so I think I needed it the. worst because I was not good I was not. good I was not in a good place in. shooting it was I needed it the worst. and that's what that's what sent me down. I don't know why anybody didn't come up. with that core. problem because when you talk about it. and you you talk about it to very smart. people are like.

okay why didn't I think of that I'm like. I don't know why you didn't think of. that but you didn't and now it's. copyrighted. so but I mean thank God you did you've. you changed the way I shoot and I know. you've changed the way a lot of people. shoot and I've I've talked to people. that use your program and I've talked to. like Peter AA who's one of the most. brilliant guys I know is 100% Allin on. what you've taught and not just with. that but also with pistol shooting sure. he's like it's completely changed the.

way I shoot my pistol completely changed. my accuracy the the results have been. phenomenal and he's like it's just so. amazing. that you know a person who and and I. think it's really important that you. experienced so much failure because you. had to come up with a method yeah you. weren't like a natural you weren't like. a naturally calm guy who just like. figures it out you're just this Stone. Cold guy that Under Pressure your heart. never beats over 50 beats a minute it's. not you so it's it's it's really kind of.

an amazing thing that sometimes you'll. have these complex problems in these. industries that are overwhelmed with. people there's a it's not like there's a. tiny amount of people doing it but one. person finds this doorway like hey guys. there's a way out of this we got to go. this way and if enough people listen to. you again it's the one of the reasons. why I want to talk to you about this. like you gonna have a whole [ __ ] show. on archery yeah yes but no yeah because. I think it applies to so many things in.

life the ability to stay in the moment. and not lose your [ __ ] and have in your. mind the very specific task you're. trying to do and think about that only. and do so with words do so in your mind. with words so even though your [ __ ]. heart is RAC. anxiet is at an all-time high there's. all this adrenaline you still can. execute you still can do the thing that.

you want to do yeah it's powerful stuff. man it's powerful stuff man it really is. it does it feel shocking that you're the. the guy that's figured this out I I. can't believe I'm sitting here talking. to you right now but yeah so it's uh I. don't know man I just I tried everything. but it's the problem is is I only tried. trying is not strong enough to override. your central nervous system and that's. what most people are looking they're. just trying to do it I'm trying to get.

better I'm working on it this is not. something you work on either you do it. or you don't but we just had to figure. out what the problem was you know and. and figuring out it's it's not it's it's. simple but it is not. easy that's a good way to put it do you. find that that applies to other things. in in your life that you've used these. principles in in other ways in other. High Press situations yeah well you know. coming into this this studio and seeing.

how much culture you have like man I've. lived a very narrow life so I mean my. whole life has been about shooting it's. been about archery every job I've ever. held has had to do with shooting and. it's uh I use it but I I find decisions. much easier now I don't have to say ah. geez should I do this should I do that. what's the problem right let's find out. what is the actual problem what's the. depth I need to get to in this problem. and then has anybody solved it before. and did they blueprint it right.

so figuring out problems in your life is. so much easier now because people. figured out most things right they just. didn't happen to figure this one out so. it's uh you know good for me I guess but. it's I I use it but I'm a I'm a very. determined person I just didn't know. where to put it you know I was I've. always been detered determined but. didn't know where to put it so I have to. show people how do you manufacture. determination like how do you get enough. determination do your cold plunge every.

day right that that doesn't just happen. you decide to do that so where is your. determination come from what is your why. and my why was that HR that I was in. that was my why I knew that was going to. H I mean it's probably going to happen. so you have to be ready for it that's my. why and then it came to fruition and and. here we are but it's people got to. figure out their why on on what they're. doing and once they do that they'll. figure it out have you talked to people.

that have applied this stuff to other. things that have told you like this. helps me with other things yeah so we're. trying to figure I mean I'm constantly. racking my brain like how can I have the. most impact I've had a lot of impact on. the shooting world how can I have impact. on on other things and I've had people. tell me they use it for presentations. I've had them tell me they use it for uh. closing sales I've had them talk about. you know just how they use it in. business maybe a CEO making a decision.

um surgeons I had a like I said I had a. surgeon come to me and he said he. completely changed how he instructs. surgery after the signature test and. after learning he already knew open and. close loop control systems but doctors. seem to learn that stuff very early on. and it's not used that much in medical. fields so it's way back in med school so. they don't really it was something they. just kind of stored away and they don't. think about it anymore but now when they.

have to teach somebody how to do. something and they see the right. movement they got to how do I keep that. person in that movement but you got to. know how to translate this and it comes. you know guides use it especially right. hunting guides you've seen guides that. like shoot shoot shoot and their. client's like oh my. God you know just spent $50,000 on a. doll sheep hunt and the gu's yelling at. him to shoot shoot shoot shoot now hurry. up right what's the what's the client's.

mind going to do they're going to go. open loop like crazy I mean guides deal. with a way over 50% Mis rate in any. field that they do so I do a guide. school where I teach guides how do you. transfer this to a client instantly. right when they're losing their mind how. do you get their Consciousness into the. trigger press because that's where it. needs to be so it's it's just it's. amazing how how to do this stuff it is. amazing and I really feel like this. could be expanded sure that you could.

expand this to many different things and. that you could come in and explain to. almost through archery you could explain. this to people and they could apply it. to other things in their life because I. find myself using it in other things. where I'm in High Press situations where. I just talk myself through it and I I. stay in in my words and in my conscious. mind and it makes a big difference yeah. yeah there's there's lots of expansion. to do and we're working on that right. now why do you shoot uh a longbow cuz to.

me when we practice I was like the f are. you doing you've abandoned technology in. favor of this primitive device Yeah so. basically concentration practice it's so. much harder to shoot a stick bow like I. have at my disposal you know lots of. people send bod bows right so I have a. garage full of compounds I shot my last. Critter with a compound in I think 2009. actually no that's a lie I I shot a.

critter with a compound this this past. season just for it was a particular type. of bow that I wanted to shoot a deer. with so but compounds in general I shoot. so much that they don't give me the. challenge that I'm looking. for uh as far as you know shooting. competing I love to watch my arrow fly. it is Mystical to me like Ted nent right. the the mystical fly of the arrow that's. been real for me since I was seven years. old so for me to to control a shot with.

a. longbow is the ultimate for me and like. I said I mean I I do lots of elk calling. I call them in close it's it's a very. effective weapon in in my hands but a. lot of people pick it up for the wrong. reasons they pick it up because they. want the Simplicity they want the. tradition they want all that stuff but. then they lose any skill level that they. have in their shot and it's you know I. originally started shooting. Bebo years and years ago with no sights.

because I could never put a pin on the. target so so were you shooting a. compound bow instinctively yeah yeah I. know nett shot like that for a long time. and that's where I got it from I watched. his Spirit of the wild VHS tape when I'm. like 10 years old I'm like I want to be. like Ted nent so I started shooting a. compound bebow and I couldn't put my. sight on it anyways you know my mom. bought me a Martin links. Magnum I had sight pins on it and I'm. like I can't even you know like I.

couldn't even get these oh it was a. nightmare shooting with your fingers you. know your brain's connected to your. release so it's just a it's the ultimate. challenge for me to shoot these long. bows and and I've I've harvested lots of. Critters now and I'm constantly using. them for concentration practice I just. love shooting stick bows man it's so. cool I know the people that do it the. people that shoot curves and and. traditional long bows they say that. there's nothing like it they say that. once you develop accuracy with that that.

it's like like Aaron Schneider who's an. amazing shot he shot for a few years he. only shot with a recurve bow because he. wanted to show everybody that he could. be just as effective as Hunters are with. you know traditional with compound bows. and Hightech equipment yeah that he. could do it with old school it it's it's. a lot harder cuz I mean imagine those. Bulls coming in you can't draw it and. hold it right right so you your timing. of your draw is is much more how long.

can you hold your bow back at I can hold. for about 30 seconds and and shoot a. controlled shot but I'm shaking like a. dog crap in tax CU your pull the the. what what people need to understand is. that a compound bow is very difficult to. pull back in the beginning but the. nature of the cam system and the. mechanics involved in it it has a very. high lead off so a lot of bows have like. an 80% let off which means for the. people just listening it's 80% less hard. to hold it than it is to pull it so when.

you're at full draw I can hold a full. draw for a minute and a half two minutes. and just and stay there as long as I'm. not completely trying to be absolutely. steady and aiming like I can hold it. full draw and just relax my arm and then. lift it up and then go through my shot. process and I'm not compromised right. but you can't do that with it just gets. harder and harder so your your body. mechanics come into play and you know a. holding position and all that stuff and. then you know there's this there's this.

purity of traditional Archer where. people like they don't want to shoot. with a mechano receptive trigger like. they don't want to shoot with a clicker. they don't want to shoot with I've come. up with all kinds of stuff tab sear grip. sear internal triggers feather to nose. all this stuff it's all in the online. course but people don't want to shoot it. because they don't think it's pure right. but they are really chasing the ghost. like I've come up with some new. triggerless ways to shoot triggerless. that are really cool where we. incorporate like a safety system but.

it's uh it's very difficult to shoot a. stick. bow just by allowing your subconscious. to tell itself when to let go you are. constantly dealing with pre-ignition. movements yeah that's what I don't. understand because I would think that. with you when you want this surprise. shot when you're shooting traditionally. and I know you were using uh a thumb. ring for a while like the Mongols do. there's something to that too right. where it like passes over it no you how. does that work I mean you're just.

basically holding on to that thing. you've got the ring that covers the pad. of your thumb and your index fing goes. over the top of it but it you have to. release that as well so we use mechano. receptive triggers like a grip sear so a. grip sear would be uh like you put your. your fingernail on the edge of the Riser. so you draw back an aim and then you. start pressing that like a like you. would roll your release you just start. pressing that when that pops off of. there pops off the edge of your Riser. you know you release the mechano. receptors send the signal to your brain.

your brain sends the release motor. program so it's like pop Boop off it. goes then your surprise break happens. but you're still releasing it. consciously no your subconscious it's. just sends that motor program which is. open loop but it can't get in the middle. of that there it's too fast when that. pops the this thing releases to the. point where it can't the subconscious. can't get in the middle why did the. Mongols choose to shoot bows that way so. it it's all based on mounted archery so.

when you shoot when you shoot I mean. there arrows on the other side of the. bow so when you when you're riding your. horse with no hands right you've got. your bow in one hand you've got your. arrow in the other and those come. together they didn't go over the bow. they brought them together and then they. grab onto the arrow so their Arrow was. on the right side of the bow even if. they were right-handed well yeah so. their right. Arrow they riding their theying up and. down and then they grab onto it and they.

push the arrow forward and they knock it. and they put their thumb around it and. it's the pressure of their finger. against the knock that holds it against. the bow so if they're shooting. right-handed is their arrow on the right. side of the bow so it's not on the left. side of the bow like a compound on the. right side of the bow it's on the right. side of the bat interesting and it's the. pressure of your finger that holds it. against there so that when they're. writing they shoot but why a thumb why. can't you do that with with like detrial. finger tabs because when you when you. grab on it with your fingers it's you're.

pushing you're not able to push it and. not put enough pressure on it to hold it. in there and it's it has to do with. arrow Paradox it's all kinds of weird. stuff so when you'll see a horse mounted. Archer when they shoot they'll actually. flip their bow because those bows aren't. cut to Center so they're cut the arrows. pointed way to the right like a. right-handed shoot shooter their arrow. is pointed way to the right cuz that bow. if you notice it's not narrowed at all. mhm or it's very narrow I mean just a. little bit the the width of the bow.

forces the so that arrow is pointed way. out to the right so you have to actually. flip it so that the string comes behind. the arrow so it shoots straight where. you're looking it's called Katra oh wow. so there's I mean it's so cool how they. did that stuff they are so much smarter. than we are now well it's I mean it was. out of necessity right because using. them for war and for hunting so but the. the thumb thing had other people figured. that out well it was mostly in the Asian.

cultures and because it was mounted. archery uh the Japanese have Kudo. archery and that's what we know now is. basically on the ground a martial art. type of archery but it was originally I. mean the Yumi bow has got a short bottom. limb so that it could maneuver over the. horse oh so all that stuff was all war. driven and with these with your thumb. you can draw it back so much farther I. mean you've got short little people that. are with a 34 in draw length right. because you have extra inches with your.

thumb right you got I mean when I shoot. my thumb my drawing's two and a half. inches longer than with my fingers oh so. I can get into way better. alignment and yeah it's it's really cool. stuff and then the Mongols figured out a. way they made was it out of bone the. thumb ring that they had Ivory Jade they. made it all out of all brass whatever. they find Jamie he can find um Mongol. archery thumb rings because is a. different than that oh look at that guy.

he's you see how his bow is tilted that. way yes so that he has produced Katra. with that so this man is uh shooting as. he's see his bow flip like that as he's. riding a horse now the commanche were. particularly Adept at shooting while on. Horseback as well did they use a similar. method they have there's been so many. different holds on a string and it was. all based on basically wartime and did. they have to shoot off a horse or not. there was pinch draws there was.

different ways of holding a bow upside. down there was I don't know specifically. what the commanches did but all kinds of. different ways of holding the string and. it was all based on necessity or or the. length of the bow you know particular. length of the bow so it could be over a. horse shooted mounted shooted you know. like what we do now we have bow or. blinds that are too short for stick bows. we shoot shorter shorter recurves you. know so it's it's always fashioned to. what the game is the Mongols would shoot. while the horse was in the air like they.

would time the shot so that as the horse. was leaping in the air there was less. impact yep so that's when they. would yep that's when they would they. would release the bow yep it's all a. feeling that comes up and you feel that. impact and it becomes a timing thing and. when you're I mean you can your. subconscious can put so many things. together but you know when you take that. that style of Archer and you put it into. Precision it's very it's pretty. difficult do you find um Mongol thumb.

ring because it's it's a very. interesting thing when you see what it. looks like it's a a thing that sits on. your thumb that almost looks like the. bottom of a spoon yeah and so that's a. leather one um if you look up like. custom thumb rings like there's another. one yeah so there's one that bone one. right there that you see oh there on the. right hand side so that's what it looks. like yep so you just that that sits on. that ledge which makes it illegal for. competition but you can hold's illegal.

in competition you can't shoot rings in. competition that because they considered. a release aid cuz they've never shot one. they don't know how difficult it is. really interesting but so that hooks. onto that ledge and you can hold so much. weight because the weight I mean some of. these guys are shooting like 110 lb. horse. bows and you know that's a leather one. there but uh are you allowed to use a. leather one yeah so you can shoot a. leather one but you can't use one of. those bone ones can't use a bone one. because of that little ledge where the.

the string sits yep y interesting yeah. it's pretty cool yeah and had so you. said it's all Asian cultures that. figured out mostly yeah mostly but and. they're all different types like every. culture had a different like the. Ottomans had a certain one and the they. had a thumb ring as well yeah the. Ottomans the Turks I mean it was all. it's all different types the uh gosh. there's all kinds of them do we know the. history of the thumb release do we know. like when that started I I mean they. found it in tombs wow it's old I mean.

it's how archery started as far as I. know so I just I love shooting that way. it's it's really the sight picture that. you get when your arrows on the other. side of the bow and when you have a. modern bow that's cut to Center you. don't have to do the Catra thing mhm so. when I draw back like so when I hunt. with my thumb I don't have to judge. range because I'm looking at the arrow. from the side right like my eye is not. 12:00 on the Arrow it's at 10:00 so I. pull it back to where the the arrow is.

off to the side slightly so you're. looking right down the I'm looking down. like at 10 o00 my eyes is like at 10 o00. on the shaft so I can see the ramp from. the side so I can see the pitch and. because the the bow is cut past Center I. can still put the point directly. underneath the target it's like a. triangulation type aim it's really cool. man and are you thinking about it the. same way you think about throwing a rock. or a like a baseball like if you throw a. baseball you kind of know how what the. Arc of the ball is going to be if you.

throw a lot of baseball so you can kind. of like throw it into that very specific. spot right but you're setting it I mean. you're literally setting it on the. trajectory path and you've seen it. thousands of times so you can you can. draw back and you're like that's going. to do it right there and they just drop. in it's so cool man it's got to be. something that you must practice more. than a compound bow then right to get. that feel of it yeah your mind picks up. the trajectory path very quickly and. then the control is the same right just. you have to talk yourself through.

specific moments but the anxiety is. higher because your body is under more. tension yeah it's the ultimate in in. concentration practice as far as I know. well a lot of people use it as a method. of meditation it's not I mean it is a. martial art but for a lot of people. there's something about and I think this. with a compound bow as well there's. something about the concentration that's. required to shoot a great shot that. clears your mind of everything else it's.

almost like a clean a cleaning like a. cleaning of the subconscious and all the. the stuff that's bothering you like you. get out there it frees your mind yeah if. you if you don't free your mind then. you're going to go open loop yeah right. so you're practicing clearing the Slate. every time right every time that you. knock another arrow it's a whole another. thing right you got to make the same. decisions you got to do the same. concentration yeah all that stuff so.

yeah it's a fascinating thing isn't it. yeah love it's such a it's such a. fascinating thing where you take. difficult tasks and use them as a. vehicle for developing your. concentration your potential at other. things I mean it's the same thing we do. with cold plunging right I mean. but you don't have to make you know when. you do your cold plunge get out of that. and shoot an arrow yeah right like. instantly and then that's when I mean.

you're constantly bringing your mind. back you're shooting on one foot you're. shooting on balance balls so you get. practice in bringing your mind back. where it needs to be and that's a lot of. people don't do that they just shoot and. shoot and shoot and one of the thing. that bothers me is you know there's. celebrities out there that that will. take instruction from somebody and I. watch them shoot and they punch the. trigger their first time they're doing. it I'm like oh God just so when. someone's teaching someone how to shoot. a bat they they punch a trigger and they.

hit the balloon yeah and they and they. hit the balloon or whatever like ah that. was awesome that you did that and that. you got into archery and that you're. understanding some of these things but. man you're on a bad path you're on a bad. path man. so but the thing is it's like it's very. difficult for those people you know if. you have like an elite bow hunter to. explain that to this beginner they're. giving a bow to they just want them to. feel good about hitting the Target and. that's all good that's all good stuff.

it's just I I analyze everybody's shots. I'm like oh God right I know well it's. it's just this thing where you know that. this is going to lead down a very. particular path that you've been and. I've been and so many other people have. been like you don't know what you're. getting into here you know yeah I know. guys that that are you know sort of uh. aspiring bow hunters and I see them. practice and um and I watch them on. Instagram and I'm watching practice like. they're practicing their own failure.

hammering it buddy you know and you're. shooting 20 yards away so you're getting. into a reasonable range of success and. like look at my group I'm like good. job good job but talk I I don't want to. dissuade people from that but right but. we got to talk yeah do you think that. someone can be a trigger puncher meaning. command that trigger but do so along. with these principles where you're like.

drawing back and aiming setting it in. and just pull pull pull pull pull with. your finger and have it go off yeah but. you wouldn't be punching it right like. you wouldn't be punching it right so you. can if you can work a archery release. index finger trigger like you would a. fine rifle trigger then more power to. you right it just takes massive mental. fortitude to do that so we usually start. people with the pulling where you hook. in and then you pull your hand through. the strap and then once they gain.

control that and they blueprint it then. we move them on to what we call the. power squeeze which is you link a couple. of motor programs so you actually you're. increasing expansion and you're moving. your finger and it it one gives the. other guidance and you're guiding them. both through words or sounds and that's. more accurate because the main thing. with release aids that people need to. realize is no matter what the movement. is it's got to be closed loop and it. can't move the head of the release like. if you are like let's say you're.

shooting your hinge and you're pulling. on it but you're not actually rotating. it you may be pulling but not rotating. so you're just increasing pressure in. the bow that arrow is not going in the X. right right so you have to be able to. link those things up and know what the. movement actually is that that you need. to do so Le OSI uh he takes his uh he. has a Carter uh Target four and he Loops. his hand around the trigger and he makes. a fist that's how he does it so instead.

of pulling the trigger or punching the. trigger he just squeezes his fist and he. knows it's going to go off eventually. that's an easy movement to evaluate. right like I said I don't care what the. movement is as long as it's closed loop. and it doesn't move the head of the. release that's why we don't pull on. hinges usually we roll it with our. fingers that seems to be more accurate. with thumb buttons there's all kinds of. different movements you can do on the. thumb button as long as it's closed loop. then pick the one you can evaluate the. best do you find that you get a lot of.

resistance to this do do you find that. people are upset at the some of the. things you're teach like people that are. very successful you found any of that. not so much because when I explain it to. them they're like because I'm ex I'm. talking about exactly what they do and I. know what's going through their head and. if they are I know where their success. is is it is it very high level like. there's no question that you're gonna do. it or is there still some mystery in. your shot and it's easy for me to. explain because of where I've come from.

I've been in the trenches right I I was. not I was not good at this stuff I. didn't you know I don't think there are. any natural-born Shooters I think there. are natural-born decision makers right. and that's where you get these. determined people that make decisions. and they can be successful in their. whatever their their field is especially. you know it's shooting or whatever but. if you don't have enough determination. and that's where young people fall off. because they don't I mean they haven't. seen the adversity right they don't have.

the perspective they don't have the. determination to actually override their. own central nervous system so you see. lots of little kids that start out. punching the trigger and their parents. don't know what to do with them and the. kids just get frustrated and then they. leave right and archery just lost. another one yeah whereas if you get him. in control. then archery becomes this really cool. thing that you can do and you can ex you. can be really good at right maybe you're. not good at other sports but you can.

damn sure be good at archery if you know. how to control your mind yeah it doesn't. require a lot of athleticism no it just. requires very specific movements that. almost anybody can get their body to do. right I just I think it's such a. valuable tool for life I really do yeah. I think archery in general but. concentrating on on a specific thing. that's difficult to do is so valuable. for life right because if you can do. that it makes other things that seemed.

to be difficult before you encounter the. extreme difficult of arch difficulty of. archery makes them seem easier right I. think that's the key to life is to do. difficult things because if you do. really difficult things it makes other. things less difficult yeah and and. there's now I mean you see it on. internet everywhere right it's becoming. an industry motivation is becoming an. industry. yeah it's a problem because a lot of. these people are motivating people. haven't done jack [ __ ] that drives me. nuts when I see these people that are. I'm like what have you done I want to. see you under pressure let me show me.

what you've done when your [ __ ] back. is against the wall don't just tell. people what they can do I want to know. what have you if I hear motivation from. David Goggins I'm like okay I'm. listening he's done it I hear motivation. from cam Haynes that's a guy who's. talking from experience that's what I. want to hear the problem with motivation. is that there's a desire to be motivated. so there's people that want to meet that. desire and some of them are just. unqualified you know it's like bad. marshal arts instruction there's a lot.

of it out there because people want to. learn how to fight and someone's like oh. I know what I'll do I'll teach people. how to do martial arts but they don't. even know what the [ __ ] they're doing so. you see fake martial arts techniques you. have to research your instructors yes I. mean if they haven't been there and done. that and they if they haven't. blueprinted it then it's a problem yeah. how long did it take you to blueprint. the shot IQ system because it's a very. comprehensive system for people that. don't know if you go to Joel's website. uh shot iq.com there's a whole series of.

things that you have to go through and. steps and and I'm going to be honest I. didn't go through most of them yeah I I. went through some of them and I kind of. got the gist of it but then talking to. you when you made me do the handwriting. thing I'm like okay now I understand. what he's saying like you have to be. very specific about each individual fine. motor skill that's involved in this and. I'm like okay I get it yeah I mean it. took me a lifetime it on December 14th.

2014 is when I realized the decisions. that were made to make those two shots. successful and conscious and that's. right after that I'm like okay what is. how do I blueprint this what decisions. do I need to make when do I need to make. them and how do I carry them out how did. you go about map it out and writing this. program cuz your program is so. comprehensive it seems like there was a. lot of refining involved in this it. basically I mean I shot those those it.

all comes back to those two shots. because I'm like okay I said this at. this moment I said this at this moment. and I said this at this moment and that. was the mapping of the decisions and. then once you do that then you just how. do you put this you know where do you. need to put the concentration need to. put it in shot activation movement. how do you put it there by talking right. or making a sound could you stop it. that's the test right you're not truly. inclosed Loop if you couldn't stop it in.

the middle of it and then what decisions. did I make and that those four questions. basically Encompass the blueprint if you. can answer those four questions you know. exactly how you did it then and only. then can you repeat it right so and like. I I put it in this analogy of of the. shot control house so if you if you are. about to shoot a shot and and you know. what this moment feels like you're like. oh my God this is going to happen right. that Bulls coming in it just turns.

broadside or you're standing on the line. of Vegas like okay this is it you are. now on the porch of the shot control. house but you don't get inside because. the door's closed your shot process. lives inside the house and so there you. are on the porch how do I get the door. open you got to decide right decisions. open doors and the shot control house so. I say to myself I'm shooting this shot. with control no matter what cuz it used. to be I'm going to shoot this shot. perfectly or not at all but that was a. bailout remember the let down thing.

right that was a bailout that gave me. that option of letting down I don't say. that anymore now it's I'm shooting this. shth control no matter what because no. matter what is a determined statement. that we use in everyday speech yeah MH. so I'm shooting the sh control no matter. what door opens right and then you. drawing your bow back as you stepping. through the door the first room that you. walk into is the aiming room and. everybody wants to stay in there that's. where all your buddies are right like. Hey Joe what's up stay in here with us. right there's all kinds of crazy there's.

disco balls and all kinds of things. going on in there and you're like man. this is pretty cool I think I'll just. have a seat on the couch and that's what. most people do is they sit on the couch. in there and they never get out of the. aiming room so what I want people to do. is get your aim done quickly don't be. bringing your pin up from the bottom or. down from the top you shouldn't be able. to tell me what position or what. Direction your PIN comes from just stick. the damn thing on the Target and then. watch it to keep it so don't linger in. the aiming room right don't look at the. pictures on the wall don't sit on the.

couch don't talk to anybody in there. just put on the blinders and walk. through the room why watch it to keep it. because that's how visual proprioception. works right you watch the system and it. will automatically Center itself so you. just watch the picture and it will stay. in the middle yes it's going to move. around But whichever way it moves its. Next Movement is always back to the. center right so you don't need to talk. to anybody in the aiming room that's. going to happen right just walk through. it so you on a hinge release you rolling.

to The Click right that is you closing. the door fact that that click that it. makes is not the click on the release. that's the click of you closing the door. on the aiming room right so now you're. out of that room you don't have control. of what happens in that room but man it. sounded so fun in there right so your. mind wants to go back in there and check. check on it so you don't let it go back. in there you lock that door with here I. go right but you're still looking at. where you want to hit sure oh yeah you. keep watching the picture it's like.

you're looking in the aiming room but. you're not in the room anymore you're. looking through the window right you're. keeping an eye on things in there but. you don't really have control of what. goes on in that room anymore so you lock. the door with here I go here I go also. opens the door on the concentration room. right but here's the problem the. concentration room is on fire how much. determination would it take for you to. walk into a room that's on fire knowing. that you're going to get burnt for most.

people it takes a loved one in that room. right the task is no different walking. into the room is no different the task. itself is the same but your. determination level is different right. you have a loved one in that room now. your determination to get in there and. save that person is through the roof. right that's the that's the deter that. has to be manufactured for you to walk. into the concentration room right and. when you walk in there here's the other. bad part about it you're getting burnt. constantly when's this thing going to go.

off oh my God it's a 7 by S I'm going to. be a hero Cam hannes is watching me. right you got all these thoughts that. are coming in and you can only walk. through that room slow enough you could. stop your step anywhere within it all. the time you're getting burnt right so. that's why you have to be the loudest. one in the room because to do that to. walk through a room room slowly while. you're getting burnt you would have to. concentrate on your movement right and. that's where you got to talk yourself. through your walking that's you rolling. through that hinge right pull pull or.

roll or whatever you say to yourself to. direct your concentration so there you. are and you're working through that. getting burnt the whole time but you're. the loudest one in the room and pop it. breaks that's you jumping out the back. door of the house right when you knock. another arrow you got to walk around to. the front yard and you got to step up on. the porch again right you don't the the. all the doors close in the house so you. got to make the same decisions to get. through the door but what I want for. people is I want them to kick everybody.

out of the aiming room right because the. more you do it the more that you just. put your pin on it done with it the more. you do that the more you walk through. that aiming room the less and less. people there are right and then all the. pictures come off the wall all the. furniture's gone right it becomes a. blank room you still have to walk. through it but there's no distractions. in there anymore right and then. ultimately what I want you to do is I. want you to blow the door off the front. door I want you to put an explosive. charge on that sucker and turn into. splinters because when I shoot in front.

of you I don't have to go okay I'm going. to shoot this shot with control no. matter what cuz that's a principle by. which I live right I don't have a front. door on my shot control house I step. right up on the porch and I walk right. in that's where I want people to be. there is no mystery to this house. anymore and it's important to do this. every time you practice Yeah it's not. just something you do in the moment like. oh I got to remember what the steps are. you have to do this when you're. practicing you practice making decisions. you practice your concentration right.

and you you practice the true skills of. precision shooting you don't just. practice your shooting you're practicing. your concentration through. shooting well I want to thank you for. being here and I want to tell you that. what you've done has been very it's been. very helpful to me and many many other. people and I I really do believe that it. translates to other things in life it's. so important to understand what's going. on in your mind and how your mind is. trying to [ __ ] you over.

yeah just years of evolution and just. just anxiety is all trying to [ __ ] you. over but you can you can avert that and. you can bypass it yep for sure thank. thank you very much brother I really. appreciate it shot iq.com is your. website and what is your um what's your. Instagram again Joel Turner shot IQ all. right yeah thanks thanks brother. appreciate you man bye everybody. [Music].

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