Joe Rogan Experience #1935 - Kyle Kulinski

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day all right we're up hi Kyle hello sir. good to see you good to see you too man. that was a great set last night thank. you it was a lot of fun yeah that was a. lot of fun is that place crazy that. place is crazy used to be an EDM club we. turned it into a comedy club that's. hilarious how long ago coming here years. ago two years ago was an EDM Club two. years ago it was like like a bunch of. dirty people that were doing.

MDMA and dancing around well I feel like. last year it wasn't like I don't think. they had that cool projection of the. alien on the oh yeah no yeah it's like. they've upgraded it in just a year yeah. well it's it's you know become a thing. you know it's we're we're there every. week and then uh the club opens up. within a couple of weeks I'll show you. that tomorrow yeah and you got a lot of. comedians who have joined you here right. who people world class comedians moved. here and they all come on they all just. followed you right they saw what you did.

like all right let's go there well I. kind of let him know like you don't have. to be there you don't have to be in. Hollywood stuck in traffic and you don't. have to deal with like it was always in. California there was always the lure of. Hollywood because they were going to. give you work right you'd get on a. sitcom and you would do talk shows you. do all these different things but those. aren't really a thing anymore yeah and. so what else are you going to be there. for movies how many movies are there you. can go in for movies and what do you. want to do like everybody wants to do.

standup like Stan hope said it once and. I thought about it I was like Dad that's. right he's like really what you're doing. when you're doing a television show is. it's an ad to get people to go see you. do standup like yeah that's what it is. how many of your comedian friends still. do TV movies stuff like that a few of. them like yeah they're trying to do more. movies now like Bert just did a big. movie The Machine and uh it's it was a. real problem because it got delayed cuz. it's all about Russia it's about him.

going to Russia it's a true story. remember his famous the [ __ ] trailer. is hilarious it looks great but they. held it for a long time and then we. released the trailer on the podcast we. did recently and so now they're going to. release the movie because the trailer. got received so well because they were. worried like people going to say you. know it's about Russia you can have a. funny movie about Russia but nobody. really cares so who was who was like. pressuring them over it it's not a. pressure thing it's a fear thing they're. like oh it's not let's not release this.

hang on to this they did that with uh. North Korea you remember when yeah what. was that who's the dude's name I'll. blank it on his name right now frco yeah. James Franco Seth yeah and they were. like hey we don't want to cause any. problems or whatever which is like it's. hilarious to think that Kim Jong-un is. somewhere like what did James Franco say. about me how was he joking well I'm sure. they're pissed but you know whatever the. guys's pissed about everything is he I. know well you know some of the some of. the propaganda that comes out of there. is like world class silly you know it's. like they have effectively a state.

religion where I mean they said famously. uh Kim Jong ill in his first round of. golf he shot like I don't know it was. like something yeah something ridiculous. yeah so so they go they go top-notch. with their propaganda they don't mess. around first round of golf imag Beyond. impossible I don't even think it might. be impossible to shoot even par your. first round of a golf yeah how would be. possible I couldn't even hit the ball. the other day the these guys were. driving him and uh who's with us Cheeto. uh Andrew Santino was here and they were.

uh whacking the golf ball I I missed it. like three times in a row just trying to. hit it it's one of those things where in. theory you feel like I could do this I. hit that little thing over there yeah. it's a big green it's 120 yards away I. got this and then you get up and you. realize like oh this is a lot of people. have trouble just making contact you hit. behind it it's called a Duff and then it. goes like five yards or whatever you. thin it and it goes way over the green. it's a very difficult game I've been. playing it my whole life I know Jam's. like obsessed with it now yeah Jamie's. out there with that simulator every.

[ __ ] day walk that's all you hear I. would be with him if I was here we would. if if I lived here we'd be playing golf. at least twice a week yeah I try to do. that in the summer in New York at least. it's such an addictive game that I can't. [ __ ] with it I don't I don't want to be. one of you guys well I think I think I. agree with you that that's a legitimate. fear I just feel like if you did get. addicted you'd be like this is awesome. I'm sure I think it's so but I love pool. I play pool so much I can't be [ __ ]. around with another. game it's too much it would be a lot it.

would be four or five hours if you're. into golf and you go play 18 holes of. golf it's going to be minimum 4 hours. yeah that's the thing about it it's like. I could play pool I could have a few. games in an hour and be done and you can. play pool when it rains out you know. like there's a lot of stuff you can do. yeah but so the Kim Jong-un thing yeah. um that that movie I never saw that did. you ever see the I never saw I first of. all I don't even know if they actually. ended up releasing it do we know if they. ended up releasing it Jamie I know they. postponed it a little bit I believe it. no it's definitely on streaming services. and everything.

there had that big Sony hack that. happened as it was supposed to be. released and that was like being um it. wasn't like the debate or the full thing. that they were after but they wanted the. movie to be withheld yeah and I I. couldn't believe over Russia you said. for the for the Burke movie that's. amazing so it's like basically anything. that causes political problems they say. hey don't release this but like. everything is controversial you know. what I mean so how can you do that it. was just I mean it was the timing of it. right you know Russia invades Ukraine.

and then that's right when he finished. it so yeah that's poor yeah they. couldn't say look Russia's fun these. guys are drunk we're robbing a train. like yeah yeah that wouldn't work out. too well though yeah but it's a funny. [ __ ] movie and so that so to answer. the question is like yeah some of my. friends are still doing movies Tom's. doing some movies but really the bulk of. what everybody does now is podcast and. stand up and you don't have to do that. stuff anymore so that was one of the. allures to get people to come here it's. like hey the the number one podcast in.

the world is here and your mom's house. which is a huge podcast Tim Dylan's here. which is another huge podcast um Tony. hinchcliff has killed Tony here that's a. huge podcast so it's like there's a lot. of reasons to come here it's like. there's a new scene here and it emerged. during the pandemic well I saw Tim Dylan. this was just before the pandemic just. before I feel like he blew up uh we were. probably was just when you moved here we. were here and we saw him perform and I. remember looking at Corin and saying.

this guy's gonna be big he's GNA be huge. because he's already getting way bigger. he's selling out theaters now but he's. going to be one of the biggest Comics. well he's already he's pretty close to. one of the biggest comics in the world. right now he just it's one of those. things where his potential is massive. well that's you know like the what's the. black comedian's name from last night. was what's his name Brian Simpson he was. phenomenal yeah I feel like he he needs. to get his du and he he is cuz he was. really funny and I'd only seen him once.

before or something but I feel like he's. undervalued he's well he's still getting. better he's coming into his own like in. just the time that I've known him he's. got quite a bit better he's one of those. guys that's just like all the pieces are. falling into place right now for him he. did a Netflix special and now people. know him from that and now he has a. bunch of new material that he's working. on like last night he's working on a. bunch of new stuff and he's just better. all the time he's like at that 10year. Mark where guys really start to put it. together and take off he uh he was.

homeless he was telling me and it wasn't. too long ago that he was homeless yeah. not that long ago a couple guys we work. with were homeless like Hans Kim who. wasn't there last night cuz he's uh in. Hawaii right now but Hans Kim was. homeless just a year ago and thenes. Christ a few months later he's doing. Arenas with. me how what how does that happen is it. is it your impact they come on your. podcast they get a little bit of a name. for themselves you they get some spots. like how does that work what's the. pipeline well uh he's doing kill Tony. and kill is a huge show and he's a.

regular on kill Tony so he does a new. minute of standup every week on kill. Tony and so there's that and then I. started taking him with me on the road. uh having him open with me and Tony and. you know so that's how he's doing Arenas. he's doing Arenas with me and then he. started selling out on his own like now. he's doing like headlining tours so he's. going out and selling out comedy clubs. and he's doing great what an amazing. story I wonder like how many people out. there are kind of similar and that they. would be hilarious if given the.

opportunity but they never really step. on stage or things in life don't quite. come together and they're stuck at their. 9 to5 or whatever it really makes you. think like what percentage of people can. do this if given the opportunity and. Stage you think so yeah there's a lot of. there's the funniest guy that I ever met. never did stand up it was a guy that I. used to work with that was a private. investigator I was his uh assistant for. a while it was really he lost his. license drunk driving and so he needed. someone to drive him around and so he. put an ad out this is like you know the. ' 80s he put an ad out for a private.

investigator's assistant and I started. working for him and uh I would we would. most it was mostly like Insurance scams. people that were you know doing. Insurance scams we'd take photos of them. working when they were supposed to be. debilitated and uh he was funnier than. anybody i' ever met wow he was so. [ __ ] funny and what's crazy is his. cousin owned a comedy club his cousin. was one of the owners of the comedy. connection this guy Bill DS so this guy. Dave Dolan who's my buddy uh we we. stayed friends for life until he died um.

which was a couple years back but he was. without a doubt he would have been a. brilliant comic without a doubt he just. had no desire there's uh do you agree. with me that there's like different. kinds of funny like there's some people. who can be funny off the cuff naturally. in a conversation and then there's. people who can actually take it to the. stage cuz in my opinion the stage is. something totally different you know. like yeah in order to it's one thing to. do off-handed quick comments and play. off what other people are saying but if. you're up there in the spot on you and. you got nobody else to play off of.

that's like a different kind of funny. it's a it's a different way of. delivering it it's a different kind of. funny but if you understand funny it's. just a matter of putting together. subjects in a way that that you you know. that utilizes your sense of humor like. if you can do it in a conversation most. likely you can do it on stage but it. won't be easy you know it's like like. golf right so like if you can whack a. golf ball and you can knock it into the. hole well hey you can kind of play golf. now how good can you play golf can you.

play golf in a tournament can you play. golf Under Pressure can you play it's. like everything else it's not it see but. comedy is different in that it seems. like you're just talking so it seems so. easy I can talk you can talk it seems. like easy to talk just go talk but once. you start doing it you realize like oh. this is like a mass hypnosis I'm doing. this is way more complicated than you. think it is but it can be done but it's. it's not it's not like you know there's.

certain things you if you're physically. limited you're never going to be able to. do you know like if you're you're frail. you're never going to be a linebacker it. just it's insurmountable but if you're. funny you can figure out comedy it's. just how much effort do you put in how. much time do you put in how objective. are you about your skills you know how. much how introspective are you how how. well can you see how people are. perceiving what you're doing what's the. flaws your delivery and what's the flaws.

and the way you're piecing the material. together I it's complex yeah there's so. much I feel like there's so much. pressure for a comedian because you have. to get laughter within reasonable time. frames yeah so you could try if if two. or three punchlines flop in a row now. all of a sudden people are thinking like. you're bombing and you lost the crowd. you know what I mean that's a very. difficult thing because you compare to. something I do where I do like political. commentary I don't need a laugh if I get. a laugh it's just extra you know I just. get to babble and have like no. consequences and people either accept it.

or they won't but it's not the same. level of pressure cuz if if I don't get. a laugh it's like he's a commentator. what exactly you expect exactly yeah. it's um it's not easy I mean it takes a. long ass time to get good at it some. people are very T like we were talking. about Chappelle like when I met him when. he was 19 he was good then he was really. good then some people just they have a. better Head Start they have a better. personality for it they maybe they. studied comedy when they were young. because they were big fans they were.

always watching it they kind of. developed an understanding of patterns. and delivery and stuff whereas some. people they're just the funny guy at. work and people talk him into an open. mic night and but I've seen guys like. that there's this guy that went on to be. a uh executive at Comedy Central and he. kind of stopped doing standup but he. used to be he used to work in an office. somewhere and uh one night I saw him do. uh an like an open mic night thing it.

was like it wasn't exactly an open mic. night it was like guys were talking. people into going on stage that were. funny at work or something like that and. he went on stage and he [ __ ] killed. with his suit on W his tie on it was. really funny and I remember talking to. him I go hey man his name is Jordy Fox I. remember saying hey dude you can be a. funny comic man you could really do this. and he did it for a little while but. then he just like whatever reason he. just went on to to be an executive at.

Comedy Central and he kind of stopped. doing it but you saw a spark right away. where I was like if you just focused you. can do it and and drive you can do this. but that's a big ask for some people. what I find interesting is and I noticed. this for from the different comedians. last night some people the delivery can. be totally different and be good in. different ways so some people like they. tell a story and it's a slow buildup to. a big punch line and then other people. like Tony hinchcliff this is the sense I. got from him is that when he talks every.

word seems kind of like weighty like. everything kind of lands and he's. getting to laugh every whatever 20. seconds where he needs to just say one. sentence and boom The Crowd Goes off. whereas some other comedian could sort. of build up to a laugh like little jokes. along the way and then hit you with a. big punch line whereas Tony's like. hitting you over and over and over and. it's very tight his set was very tight. where it's like every word in this is in. a place where I'm going to get the. maximum result which to me it's like you. you crack some sort of [ __ ] code to. be able to do that you know what I mean. Tony a dedicated professional you know I.

mean he's really dedicated that that. dude's obsessed with comedy I mean he's. constantly going over his material con. we're constantly having calls where. he'll call me up oh dude this Black Adam. bit now it's got this and it's got that. he'll tell me the new punch lines came. up with when he was in Denver and you. know we're howling and we're always like. bouncing you know you saw us hanging out. in the green room we're always bouncing. stuff around it's a beautiful work shop. it's it's the Green Room is amazing cuz. when you got like William Montgomery and. Brian Simpson and David Lucas and me and. Tony and we're all [ __ ] around and B.

and Ron White's there and we're all. bouncing stuff around oh is he usually. there too Ron lives here too a wish I. saw him we've seen twice we've been to. that club the Vulcan and he wasn't there. either time but I would have loved to. see him I always thought he was get him. to come out tonight cuz we're doing the. creek in the cave tonight but yeah Ron's. in town we have Tim Dylan Ron White Tom. sagur Christina pritsky Tony henchcliffe. David Lucas William Montgomery Hans Kim. we have so many [ __ ] people that live. here now so are there any ego issues.

between those people cuz they're all. such big personalities they all can fill. the room with their own personality so. does there any butting heads or does. everybody get along nicely massive. camaraderie it's a beautiful Community. it's really good here really good like. it's shockingly good like as good as The. Comedy Store was it's amazing and. everybody also recognizes something. unique about this thing that's emerging. here cuz there was like a little. Community here there's some pretty. talented people here you know like they. were kind of getting going and doing. like little open mics and little small. shows they put together here but now. it's like thriving and so there's these.

people that are moving here just to do. standup people that have this dream of. doing standup they're trying to get on. kill Tony and there's clubs all around. town now because the the feeling of. Comedy being in Austin is like very. tangible so so many people are excited. about it so it seems like the breakup. eventually between Hollywood and comedy. was inevitable given that you know with. with Hollywood everything is sort of. pre-produced and very particular and you. got Executives telling people what they. can and cannot say and everything's very. kind of scripted on that front whereas.

comedy was always in a sense the anti-. Hollywood because it's like all right. here anything goes you say whatever you. want and then let's just you know see. what happens and so it seems like the. breakup was inevitable at some point. that now you know they've moved away. from Hollywood and it seems like I don't. know you would know better than I would. like who's still left in in in Hollywood. and LA versus who's in New York and now. it seems like here there's almost maybe. the biggest scene here now yeah there's. a giant scene here New York still is a. very good scene there's still Elite. comics in New York and there's still.

some really good comics in in La it's. just less of them a lot of people moved. away Theo moved to Nashville Theo vau. but oh is there a comedy scene there a. little bit a little bit you know but. like there's Nate barazi who's fantastic. he's there but uh Theo's going to move. here now so it's like he's excited about. it too like there's so many people that. have moved here it's it's crazy like on. any given night we'll have like [ __ ]. eight eight Comics up at the and it's. wild it was packed yesterday coldest day.

of the year worst weather day in Texas. 33° icy and I I said I said to Crystal. before we went and Corin I was like I. bet you there's going to be 50 or fewer. people there when we go and we showed up. it was packed yeah on a Wednesday night. yeah with ice on the roads and people. but you know somebody made a good point. they were like a lot of these people. lost power and like they're going to get. warm too like they're actually like. let's watch but also let's get warm but. it's also it's packed there every night. it's always packed it's a [ __ ] cool. thing. because it's a new thing it's very.

exciting and the town it's such an artsy. town mean the live music here is [ __ ]. amazing there's so many talented people. there's this band The Nether hour. there's really talented young guys that. are here and they're just working all. the time they're at this bar this night. and this bar that night and this guy. Ellis Bard who's [ __ ] amazing is like. Honky Tonk dude who's really [ __ ]. good and really cool guy too he's out. here and then Gary Clark Jr's out here. and now Suzanne Santo moved here from.

honey honey and she's here and like and. there's so many good local bands that. you could like in any given night like. on Monday night they go out to the. Continental Club after they do kill Tony. and all the local guys get together and. jam and it's incredible it's like the. vibe of like live performances here do. you still love comedy as much as you did. in like the 1990s more more yeah I love. it yeah I got that Vibe being being in. the green room with you guys I got the. sense like we could literally be in 1998.

right now and Joe would be doing like. the same thing with just with different. Comics around yeah and the fact that. there's like this energy to this place. too makes it more exciting you know and. also I'm in this part where I'm just. developing new material so it's like now. I have to like really be invested in. trying to make these new bits work it's. like when you get together an hour and. you're headlining and it's killing it's. like okay now I just got to keep this. polished and tight but when you have new. stuff it's like ah like I got to figure. out a way to make this work and that's.

exciting too so what percentage because. some of the jokes were older jokes but. what percentage of it was new stuff. would you say was half new half of it. was that's a lot of new stuff that's a. lot of new stuff yeah and that's over. the last four or five months that I've. developed all that new stuff so it's. it's exciting it's and it's dangerous. because like when you record and I. recorded something I haven't released it. yet but when I record something I then. have to throw all that material away and. come up with a whole new hour so what I. do is I record and then in the time.

before I release it that's like crunch. time where I have to develop a whole new. set and then when I release a special. then that material is burnt forever and. so now I have to like figure out how to. make this new stuff as good as the old. stuff I feel like riffing when you're. talking feels a lot easier to me than. like writing something down and then. trying to go through it in a way cuz if. I write something down and I try to go. through it I feel like I start sounding. robotic and I'm not connecting to it as. well so when I riff that's when people.

are more interested in what I'm saying. cuz you know you could hear that it. actually is coming from my core as I'm. saying it so that's what seems very. difficult about comedy to me is that. because you always talk about how you. write and so like you have to write down. your bits and then you have to deliver. it in a way that doesn't feel robotic. that feels like you're still connecting. with the words yeah and so I was like. Tony said last night he's like I don't. even write he said I don't even write my. bits I feel like if I was a comedian I'd. be more like him because if I write it. down I'll be like and and then the this. is the part of the joke where like it.

just wouldn't come out right but you. don't have to say it that way like I. think everybody does it differently and. some people don't ever write and some of. the best Comics alive don't ever write. um but I feel like you should do all. those things I Feel Like Comics are. inherently. lazy and it's a funny sentence this. thing but that's one of the reasons I. led them to do comedy they're like I. don't want to work [ __ ] this you know. [ __ ] this job and then you like say. something funny about the job and.

everyone's like ah and like and then. you're like oh maybe I'm funny well that. sort of uh rebellious mentality leads. you to not want to be disciplined but I. think there's a big value in sitting in. front of a computer and just spending. time going over ideas like some of my. best bits I've come up with just writing. just sitting down and writing and then. piecing them together and then the skill. is to try to figure out a way to riff. those Concepts and get it to the point. where it's funny do you do you see a big.

difference dayto day in terms of uh your. delivery like some days we go up there. and just be like I'm just off today like. I just I'm not nailing it today and. other days you're like oh I'm I'm you. know cranking cranking it right now for. sure yeah there's days where you're. better but it's also it's like you got. to figure out well what was different. about the day when I was off you know. maybe I didn't get as excited maybe I. didn't Pace enough and warm up enough. maybe I didn't like treat it with a lot. of weight like you got to like there's a. lot of heavy to like going on stage like. here we go and then you also have to be.

like looser on stage sometimes and it's. like there's a lot of variables why it's. exciting do you feel like more pressure. the better the more pressure you feel. the better you do you need some pressure. yeah you need some pressure I get I get. nervous for every show that means you. love it tiger would said that he's like. yeah I get nervous before every round. and that's how I know I still love it. yeah that's what Fighters say too like. but Fighters say the worst feeling is. like when you're not nervous cuz if. you're not nervous and you go some of. them are fine with that but a lot of.

them they want to be on edge they want. to be like in The Green Room getting. ready like yeah yeah you know cuz then. you're you're that the nerves and. everything is you you're excited about. this moment it's an important moment for. you and that's that's important you know. you care yeah you know you care in a. situation like that you got to care and. you know people don't like to be. uncomfortable but I think through being. uncomfortable you that's where the. growth comes that's where you learn. things yeah well after you feel nervous.

and then you do the thing and you do it. well the the feeling of relief you get. afterwards yeah is amazing you know I. felt it like I went on a pbd the pbd. podcast recently Patrick B David and I. went in there know I mean they're like a. sort of like a grind set show I know how. to make money hustle culture that sort. of stuff and I I went in there and as. somebody who's who's on the left you. know they're not really going to agree. with me on it but they're nice enough. guys and that you know they're in favor. of open dialogue and discussion of.

different ideas and I was like hey this. is this should be fun and so I went in. there knowing it was a little bit like. the lion Den so I was a little nervous. but I went in there and the conversation. went great they're really nice guys uh. you know we got a great reaction to it. and the feeling afterwards of relief was. like H that's interesting cuz you went. in there like ready to do battle no I so. I I I didn't go in there thinking like. there's going to be a fight but. contentious perhaps I yes I thought you. know they're not going to agree with me. on some stuff and so I need to be able. to explain myself in a way that can. change their or at least give them pause. and make them rethink it and I think I.

largely succeeded on that front a lot of. people in their own audience said you. know hey I like what this guy had to say. you did a great job I watched some clips. from that you did a great job he's a. great guy he really is a great guy he's. Fair he was fair genuine yeah he was. genuine he wasn't trying to like you. know cuz some people if if if you have a. debate in their different perspective. some people will go in with like I'm. going to own this person mindset and. that's not him he just genuinely wanted. to know like how do you think about this. tell me what you think about this even. when he doesn't agree with you he's Fair. correct yeah that's right he's a very. genuine person and that's the appeal and.

that's why he's doing so well you know. we talked about that the authenticity. that like I talked about last night with. Crystal saying with you guys and with. Sager and with Jimmy door and even if. you don't agree with people what what. they're saying I know that's what you. genuinely believe and feel and it's. based on thinking it's based on you you. your uh research it's based on your. comprehension of whatever the subject. you're talking about this is your real. opinion and that's what people are.

missing in mainstream media and that's. why you guys are eating their lunch. that's why you're killing it it's. there's a real reason for it because. people have been deprived of that by. Executives and networks that are. orchestrating everything and giving. people talking points and making people. stay in these narrow parameters did you. say there was a woman that was uh I. forget who she was interviewing but she. was talking about something about. climate change and she was asking a. question and then she goes okay all.

right I'm getting in trouble now let me. cuz she has an earpiece in oh [ __ ] and. so someone's saying get off the climate. change stop talking producer in the and. so she has to course correct in the. middle of the thing which is virtually. impossible yeah and and also [ __ ] up. the flow that makes people resonate with. what you're saying because I want to. know that these if you and Patrick David. Patrick B David are disagreeing about a. subject I want to know that it's your. thoughts and his thoughts like let me. see which one I agree with let me see.

why Kyle feels the way he feels and why. Patrick disagrees and let me see them. work this out and sometimes that takes. 30 or 40 minutes and if you're doing CNN. MSNBC Fox News like you got you got. 4minute hit in and out man ask one. question give me one like cut and dry. answer and then let's move on here and. that's you're not nobody's learning. anything and also the people who are on. screen you don't know what they actually. think about this thing cuz if they. they're on a network where maybe if they. tell you the thing they really think. that's going to you know Buck the.

Orthodoxy and then they're in trouble. and then they're out exactly. you I think networks are are afraid of. backlash so if somebody says something. let's say that that's true but also like. goes against the grain they might see. some response from the audience they'll. like oh I mean we don't want any. advertisers to flee let's cut this. controversy off and that's the honestly. that is the worst thing you could. possibly do the best way to handle it is. and I do this too if I'm going to say. something where I feel like my own. audience isn't even going to agree with. me on this you still you got to say it.

if you're telling the truth and then. just let the chips fall where they may. and one of the things I learned from you. is just don't engage uh you know with uh. Twitter and and the mentions and and. YouTube comments because if you're if. you're getting good criticism that's one. thing and you can tell when a criticism. is fair but if you're getting criticism. that you're like this isn't even close. to true and now it's making me feel like. [ __ ] and then you're angry and what's. the point I'm going to waste three hours. feeling negative emotions cuz some. douchebag is is me when they don't even. know what I really think on the issue.

then that's a totally different thing. you know or they've just seen a clip. where you might have looked at both. sides of it but they're only seeing this. one side that you're looking at and. they're like oh Kyle is turning his back. on this and that and like and then. you're like no I'm not and then you like. and you get into it don't engage don't. engage don't engage yeah don't engage it. keeps you it keeps your mind pure too if. you're like you know for for what I do I. got to read a lot of Articles and watch. a lot of videos and then react to it and. I have more of an untain perspective if. I go right to the source read it and.

then I react whereas if I see what other. people are saying first I don't want it. to like sort of taint my own process. going through the original material you. know what I mean right yeah yeah it's a. complex little dance we're doing it's. interesting but the beautiful thing is. that for like now you're getting these. people that aren't influenced by a group. of people that have a vested interest on. gaining uh some Financial benefits from. the show being successful so they're. trying to like navigate it and move it.

in a way that they think is going to be. the most commercially successful but. they're not the people with the opinions. they're not the people that are funny. they're not the people that are putting. out the entertainment value of it. they're just the people that are. profiting off of it and those are. generally the people that fund it the. executives the network the people but. that doesn't that's why CNN sucks it's. because like they're trying to do that. but you can't do that and so you have. these people that are willing to do that. you have the Brian stelter and the Don. Lemons that are willing to play and stay. narrow and they're in these these narrow.

Pathways and people just don't like it. they just don't resonate with it because. it's you know that's not a real person. that's not who you are yeah Crystal and. I have honestly tried to go above and. beyond on that front because we don't. want any money from certain sources. tainting us because this is what happens. with with traditional Medias if you're. taking a lot of money from Ron and. Boeing and fizer and then if you if you. really Buck The Narrative and you say. hey you know what I think we should. maybe nationalize big Pharma then you're. going to be kicked out right away so the.

way we do it is we have the default ads. on YouTube which is thankfully there's a. buffer there so like you know AdSense. deals with that and I've never had a. conversation with an Advertiser over a. decade of doing this so that's one way. we make money the other way is patreon. which is just people tipping because. they like what I say and like what I do. five bucks a month eight bucks a month. whatever it may be and then the other. way Crystal and I have done it is with. Crystal kyin friends in particular we. have a substack and people pay $5 a. month they get the video of the. interviews and they get it a day early. and that makes it again so I've never.

had a conversation with any Advertiser. in over 10 years of doing it I've gone. above and beyond on purpose so that. people know look even if you disagree. with me I this is 100% coming from a. genuine Place yeah that's awesome that's. that's the future I think and I think. that's a com commercially viable way to. do it too you can do it and make a. living especially when you realize that. you know if you're working at CNN you. got to realize there's probably like. hundreds of people that are working. there that aren't the entertainment. right so like there's so many different. pieces of the pie that get sliced up and.

chopped up whereas you don't need as. much money to be financially successful. with your show as successful as you. would be if you were on a network right. here's the issue though is that YouTube. unfortunately uh has set up a tiered. system so they have authoritative news. and then they have what's called. borderline content and so shows like. mine are put into the borderline content. category yeah and I'll tell you why. they're afraid of cuz in back in 2017. there was some like big company ad like.

a Nestle ad or something that ran on a. white nationalist video and so a bunch. of media Outlets wrote These articles. that were like oh my god look what. YouTube's doing they're radicalizing. people this is terrible and so YouTube. reacted to that by they just wanted to. to cut their losses and they said just. defund news in politics right now that. was what was called ad apocalypse so. they cut off all the funding overnight. for what was that news what was the. Catalyst for that what was the the video. that that did that I don't know what the. actual video was I know it was like a. white nationalist video that ran like an. official ad we should find out what that.

was you have to go back to 2017 articles. to find it because I remember ad. adpocalypse but I remember just going. what is going on and not paying. attention yeah I covered it at the time. it was it was huge for us cuz we were. one of the ones affected we went from we. literally all the money wiped out. overnight and we didn't know when it was. going to come back now thankfully it did. come back about a week or two later but. it was never really the same since then. and it was in 2018 I believe the Youtube. CEO said look we're addressing the. misinformation and disinformation. problem and so now we have authoritative.

content and borderline content and so. the YouTube algorithm pumps the. authoritative content and like. suppresses theorder is it PewDiePie PE. PewDiePie but PewDiePie was not a white. nationalist which just a [ __ ] poster you. know he's like a funny guy true if this. is true then it's even worse than I. remember it being um PewDiePie in 2017. the most subscribed YouTuber of all time. at the time rather excuse me came under. Fire for posting videos that YouTube. deem deed anti-semitic and hate speech.

these videos included references and. jokes about Adolf Hitler as well as two. Indian men holding a signs stating death. to all Jews at the same time videos. including Chief Keef uh dancing to. Alabama nword and other extremist. content were surfacing leading to the UK. government Coca-Cola Dr Pepper Johnson. and Johnson and many other major brands. pulling or pausing their advertisements. on YouTube oh I see okay. yeah so they rolled out this whole.

system to deal with this and they they. end up suppressing us you know and. basically putting us in League with. stuff like that yeah so you know it's a. struggle it is a struggle cuz we were. growing at a tremendous clip and then. basically overnight it's like they. flipped a switch in the algorithm and. boom now the issue is with. recommendations so now if you're already. subscribed to me you're going to see a. bunch of my stuff pop up if you're not. subscribed to me it is very unlikely. you're going to get one of my videos pop. up in the recommend algorithm so you. can't really grow when that's the case.

you're just basically keeping your fan. base so the way you grow is doing other. people's podcasts and getting people. from their fan base to come to you like. Patrick B David well not even that it's. it's it used to be if you typed in. whatever news thing you were interested. in one of the top videos could be a. secular Talk video but now if you type. it in it is never that there was a time. when we used to run circles around CNN. they'd get like 2,000 views a video back. in like 2015 and we were getting way. more than that 30,000 or whatever it was. and then now you go look at any CNN. video even though the thumbnails are.

[ __ ] the titles are [ __ ] the content is. [ __ ] they'll get 300,000 400,000 views. because that's what YouTube can decide. to make somebody or break somebody like. that just by tweaking the algorithm if. they decided hey what if once every six. month we we put a secular Talk video on. the front page of YouTube that would. immediately like double the size of my. audience it's interesting I wonder how. much they think about that impact and I. wonder if they just look at it in terms. of like bottom line making money that's. what it is yeah scared of advertisers. running away and look they they don't.

know what I'm going to say they don't. know what I'm going to say for all they. know I'm going to come out tomorrow and. say I'm you know I think the flatter. Earth theory is real and then it's like. okay boom Scandal then they'd suppress. me even more right but they don't know. that there's a body of work there I'd. put my record up against anybody else's. in terms of giving the facts and the. information and then I give my a take on. it of course but the facts and the. information comes first and they just. throw us in League with the borderline. content and they say look he's not. reputable cuz he's not with a major. media outlet and of course the irony is. all these major media Outlets have made. her horrendous mistakes over the years. I'm being kind by calling it mistakes.

like these these are the people who. cheerleaded us into the war in Iraq. exactly and exactly and they don't get. docked in the algorithm if they do. something that's incorrect did you see. the conversation that I had with yon. Warner about that I did not know yeah we. there was the exact same thing where he. was talking about that the government. should be regulating the internet that's. crazy and I was like what are you. talking about that's anti- First. Amendment that's like the first the very. first thing in the Constitution he just. has this idea of the government and by. government he means left-wing government. only that they're going to be altruistic. and they're going to look at it the.

right way and do the right thing I'm. like what are you saying I'm like these. are the same people that brought us into. the Iraq War under false pretenses he's. like no no no that was politicians I go. that's the government government is. politicians well we need better. politicians like no no no no you need. people to be able to sort this [ __ ] out. it's going to be messy that's the thing. they want it to be not messy there's no. way there's no way you got to accept the. fact that it's going to be messy who's. going to watch The Watchmen is the old. saying so like you set up this you set. up this like you know this this Overlord.

group that gets to determine everything. but it's like what about when they're. wrong and they're going to be wrong from. time to time because sometimes the. conventional wisdom ends up being wrong. sometimes it ends up being right but you. never you don't know you have to like. you said it's going to be messy you got. to try to figure it out and anybody. putting their thumb on the scale and. trying to change the outcome by you know. Fiat from above that's not the way it's. supposed to work right and it's not just. that their conventional wisdom is going. to be wrong is that they're being fed. propaganda AB and they're disseminating. it ad hoc with no no questioning it.

whatsoever no no pretense no worry yeah. they have they're they have a lot of. sources inside the FBI and the CIA and. if the government comes out with their. official line they just write it up like. little stenographers they're. stenographers they're not journalists. they're not reporters you're supposed to. fact check them too somebody in the CIA. says something you still got to say hey. is it right or is it wrong one of the. best examples of that is the Twitter. files you see no coverage of this this. on CNN no coverage of this astounding.

collusion between intelligence agencies. and a social media Network to suppress. accurate information that would harm the. political party that's in power which is. [ __ ] wild it's wild that the news. isn't covering this cuz like arguably. that's as big a scandal as Watergate. it's as big a scandal as any. other times in the past where we've. found that there's been some really. shady [ __ ] going on that would change.

the way people would see a narrative. remember when you had uh Mark Zuckerberg. on and Zuckerberg was like yes like yeah. the FBI reached out to us and they said. you know hey there's going to be a. disinformation dump from Russia coming. and so we were ready when the hunter. Biden thing dropped and it's like okay. well this is a perfect example of they. were just wrong they said oh this isn't. Hunter Biden's laptop you know it's no. big deal uh this is just Russian. disinformation and then it turns out it. was his laptop and so and Mark. Zuckerberg was almost doing a Victory. lap by saying hey I only suppressed it.

in the algorithm as opposed to Banning. it he was like oh I didn't ban it so. therefore I'm you know good on me I. don't think he was doing a victory lab I. think he was just being accurate and it. seemed better than the way Twitter. handled it right and it was but it's. still this is exactly what we're talking. about the the algorithmic suppression. where it's like look just let people. decide for themselves and yes you're. going to have the occasional. circumstance where maybe a flat Earth. video does get 2 million views I love a. good flat Earth video yeah that's the. thing like sometimes these conspiracy. theories if you look at it as just like.

a creativity thing it's interesting. right like oh my God it's they can find. a way to make a case for a position. that's so absurd where it makes you go. huh exactly but but that's okay right. and some people will fall down the. rabbit hole and that sucks but I do. think you have to have some degree of. faith that most people are going to be. like yeah no this is this is kind of. [ __ ] isn't it interesting though cuz. like that that kind of stuff doesn't. work on you right if someone talks about. Hollow Earth there's dinosaurs living in. the lava and like it's not going to work.

on you but the concern is that it's. going to work on some people and what. they'll use as an example is things like. qanon right which sets up January 6 but. then they'll ignore the fact that the. FBI has agent provocators that are. instigating these people to go into the. capital so they're only talking about. the dangers of QA like what about the. dangers of the federal government ring. these people up or or Agents from the.

federal government who are just trying. to accomplish something that's going to. enhance their career yeah like we talked. about last night that's right and you. know what the way I think about that is. very. simple if if qanon is spreading like. wildfire and it's batshit [ __ ] crazy. which it is then the burden is on people. like me to explain hey here's why this. is batshit here's why this is wrong let. me show you how these things don't match. up let me show you and again the issue. is if it's coming from an independent. voice if it if theun buing is coming. from an independent voice where like you. know you know I'm not beholding to.

anybody you know I'm telling you what I. really think and I'm very detailed in. responding to it then that's eventually. how you win on that front you're not. going to win just by saying just totally. ban it because then you know we had a. conversation the other day with a guy in. the airport who was totally convinced. sweet guy very nice and all of a sudden. out of nowhere he brings up you know I. think Trump won I think Trump won the. election and there's no way that Biden. guy won and it's like you know I I don't. want to create more people like that you. need to you need to I need to be able to. respond in real time bring a convincing. case and then just make people go okay. at the very least I'll move to.

agnosticism as opposed to believing an. incorrect thing right and the the qon. thing like that's why Into the Storm was. so important because is that that Andrew. Callahan one that's oh no that's the. other the guy's name that did the. documentary series on HBO did see Andrew. Callahan I think it is that one right. into the storm is the new one with. Andrew the storm was uh no he's the new. one he's the new one that's is that what. you're referring to the newer one no I'm. referring to the I had the the gentleman. on who made that documentary to say it. but I want to say the wrong name I think.

I think I know the one you're talking I. think it was on Hulu the one you're. talking about no it on HBO it was on HBO. okay well I saw that one with Crystal. the Asian guy who ended up being Q yes. yes that's it that was a great that was. a great one good amazing because that's. the only way you're going to really. unravel that correct and then you get to. see like oh these people got duped and. this is why and this this is like what's. attractive about it that these people. are on the they understand the secrets. and everybody's being lied to and.

they're going to [ __ ] bring back the. real government and this was the other. one you're talking about yeah this was. the newer one with Andrew Callahan oh. this place rules he also did this was. also about q andon but I saw the one you. were just talking about I didn't see. this new one I saw the one you were. talking about and it was a very very. good documentary very good documentary. well it's it's very good because you get. so deep into the motivations Behind. these people they're all a bunch of like. social outcasts and Weirdos and they. find this group and it gives them. meaning and then it becomes their whole. identity that's ex a lot of these people.

are just looking for something to care. about just looking for purpose just. looking for meaning and they would. rather take a wrong answer than they. would something that's right but nobody. makes a case for the thing that is right. yeah you know what I mean and so again. that's on people like me that the. burdens on people you know who are in. the position that we're in to try to. give an alternative you know hey you. don't have to believe this nons like. Jeffrey Epstein that that's real that. happened but it's also not the case that. you know it's it's a demonic satanic.

pedophile cult run in the pizza shop. basement with Hillary Clinton doing. child sacrifice like you can be nuanced. on this stuff you can say the Epstein. stuff is real there's a lot of. questionable stuff there but also. they're not literally like demon. worshipping evil people in a b of a. pizza shop you know I me evil enough you. don't have to bring the supernatural. into it so true that's right it's. [ __ ] it's trafficking it's sex. trafficking and it's also. involving leaders of giant financial. institutions politicians celebrities.

scientists I need to see that black book. that Epstein black book you had Bill. Clinton you had Donald Trump you had all. these billionaires yeah billionaires. celebrities they're all ly he was the. CEO of elite sex crimes Incorporated and. then he died in jail yeah mysteriously. see this video with Bill Gates recently. yes I did I should have had dinners well. have you seen Whitney web's take on Bill. Gates's connection to Jeffrey Epstein. it goes way further it goes way back his.

wife has blown the whistle on this and. was like oh Bill Gates is saying he just. had a couple dinners with him or. whatever his wife's like let me tell you. something that's not true yeah he was. really close with him not just close. with them but went to the island he he. knew him very well they they had all. sorts of business dealings together for. quite a long time it goes way back you. know he knew him he knew him early on. like Whitney web was like she was on uh. Russell br's Show recently and she went. into great detail she's fascinating like.

she can pull up data and information off. the top of her head she's like such a. good researcher but just absolute facts. about this the connection between the. gates and him yeah I it's a lot of very. famous very wealthy people and I mean. the guy had an Island an island who has. an island you talking about here do you. know the the bit that I'm doing on stage. now about that that like you know people. saw Clinton like oh we're fine CLE. that's such a great point I was laughing. hard at that line because it's so true.

yeah it gives like it gives this the. feeling of like oh like are our former. National daddy figure is here so like. it's it's everything's okay one of the. things that people will do to try to get. me to come to a thing is they'll tell me. hey this guy's going to be there that. guy's going to be there like they'll. send me an email Hey Joe are you. interested in coming to our event our. thing our Retreat or whatever and blah. blah blah is going to be there from this. band and that comic and this thing and. it's like you you go oh well that famous. person's going to be there I can be. there too right that's how they to get.

they talk one person into doing it. that's prominent and recognized and then. you're like oh well I will be uh in good. company if I go there yeah you know and. that's I think that's what they did yeah. you know I I've seen some pretty. convincing stuff that Jeffrey Epstein. was actually Massad Israeli intelligence. I've seen that too yeah there was an. article I forget where it was it may. have been Del Mel which is a. questionable Source but they were. talking about how Jeffrey Epstein uh was. meeting with like a former Israeli Prime.

Minister. yeah so I mean he also was meeting with. the US presidents too of course but I. think there's there's some reason to. believe that this guy cuz he had if you. have dirt on everybody why do you have. dirt on everybody what exactly is going. the craziest thing that they murdered. that guy in jail and it's just like. sweep. sweep that's all done let's concentrate. on Ukraine now yeah nobody actually. believes he killed himself I haven't met. anybody left ring leftwing rightwing. Center apolitical everybody's like yeah. that's kind of sketchy yeah I've met. some people that believe it but they.

have a reason to believe it it's like. they have this like vested interest in. in wanting to believe it the Skeptics. not even necessarily Skeptics it's like. maybe they have some weird connection to. it that they don't want you to know. about they want to make it look like. it's not that big a deal and they got. them the one of the most Eerie ones was. when Bill Gates was being questioned. about it uh you know he's dead now he's. dead now so uh you have to be careful. what the [ __ ] does that mean. [ __ ] does that mean Jesus Christ he's.

dead now so I guess you have to be. careful like what um and galain Maxwell. came out recently and said I don't think. he killed himself he didn't yeah Michael. badon that famous autopsy doctor the the. the guy who was from that the show. autopsy who is he said that out of. thousands of cases of people hanging. themselves that he's personally. investigated he has never seen anybody. with those injuries and that those. injuries were of a person who was. strangled yes and that the broken bones.

in his neck were indicate of a ligure. strangulation the area where he was. strangled was below low on the neck. which is not where you get when. someone's hanging by their own weight. Which is higher on the neck because your. body weight is dragging it down he's. like that was someone who got strangled. and the security cameras were magically. not working magically not working the. the guards were somewhere sleeping or. something and there was that wasn't it. like some former cop like Juice Head who. they think did it well there was a.

former cop who was a giant dude yeah who. was his cellmate who uh I think he. murdered people I think that's what he. went to jail for what did that cop the. cop was [ __ ] jacked too yeah he was. he's still getting the sauce in there. behind bars I don't know if he was still. jacked in jail did they was it an old. picture in the article I read I think it. was but he was a corrupt cop and if. you're a corrupt cop and you're involved. in drug dealing this and that you. probably murdered a few people you know. and if they what they offer him they.

give maybe they gave him juice they say. listen brother I know getting him on the. cheap if that's all they gave him he. could ask yeah this guy this guy look at. the size of that [ __ ] Jesus. Christ they contend Leon over here don't. know what the article is about t Leon. tried to help Epstein would have been. powerful mitigation in the penalty phase. if he was found guilty of any death. eligible charges what so what does it. say The Disappearance. video uh footage of the finance and sex. trafficker Jeffrey Epstein's first. suicide attempt should mean that his.

cellmate ex Westchester cop Nicholas. tarag Leoni that's where I'm from by the. way Westchester doesn't face the death. penalty in a drug rated quadruple. homicide wow so that could be look if I. was going to have somebody kill somebody. I have that absolutely going to have. somebody strangle somebody how easy. could he do it oh yeah no size that. [ __ ] definitely definitely so. maybe that's what they did maybe they. offered him a plea or maybe they offered. somebody else a plea but you know the. evidence that nobody did anything was.

like well no one knew entered into the. cell block that's what they said we we. don't have the cameras but we're. reasonably sure that no one entered into. when I was looking this up this popped. up too which said somebody else was his. last soulmate that guy was maybe was a. cellmate of his so he died from covid-19. they're saying they're saying his former. cellmate died of. covid-19 that guy that's I don't know. I'm just saying it's the first time I've. ever seen prison legal news.org h. but he died in but he was released. though it says he died in his mother's.

apartment in the Bronx from covid-19. that he contact uh contracted while in. the Queen's New York Correctional. Center maybe prior to State the Queen's. lockup raay was housed the Manhattan. Correctional Center where he was Jeffrey. Epstein's last cellmate yeah but that. doesn't mean anything that they could be. looking for something there he could. have actually just died from Co no. that's not he was released that's not. what I'm saying here my point of. bringing this up was when I Googled. Jeffrey his last cellmate this guy. popped up not the other guy oh not the. juice head guy no but the juice guy got.

was his cellmate at one point yeah that. was in all the articles that I read at. the time of his death brought up that. former cop there's so many levels to. this conspiracy mystery but again all. this stuff we're talking about totally. reputable sources that went that showed. you everything and you can connect those. dots and be reasonable but again you. just don't have to go to the Q andon. level exactly yeah the real conspiracies. are [ __ ] wild enough AB and a lot of. the conspiracies are out in the open the. world econom Forum let's let's have at.

Davos all these billionaires all these. heads of state get together and and tell. you their ideas you know what the world. economic Forum actually is it's a status. quo protection racket because they're. doing just fine over there they're the. billionaires you know they're they're on. top of the world so all these ideas that. that they're floating out there really. it's more like let's keep what we got. going cuz people are suffering as it is. right I mean I'm sure you've seen the. Oxfam numbers about income and wealth. quality that the the richest 26 people.

on the planet hold more wealth than the. bottom 50% of the world. combined that's the conspiracy it's. right [ __ ] there it's right here. isn't that just a factor of the rich get. richer like no matter what happens when. people develop exorbitant amounts of. wealth and then they just keep going. they have like like I just saw that Elon. gained $9 billion over the last week or. something like that because stocks go up. like that that kind of stuff can just.

accumulate and pile up yeah well that's. why look for a lot of of US History we. had a progressive tax system where the. more you made and the more wealth you. had the more you were taxed on that and. so the that's an attempt to do. redistribution to give people at the. bottom a reasonable shot it's saying. okay we're going to 100 y money going. the problem is where's the money going. and who gets to decide in the New Deal. days when we had FDR in power that money. went to jobs programs and went to.

infrastructure and went to unemployment. insurance went to actually help people. what you're concerned about which I. think you're right to be concerned about. is a lot of that money there was a. report that just came out the Pentagon. can account for. 59% of the money it's received that's. not a. lot they still have 41% that they know. where it is literally trillions of. dollars gone I'm a glass half full. guy and then you know or 41% full I'm. sure you remember too when Biden did. probably one of the best things he did.

which is Pat of. Afghanistan the [ __ ] meltdown from. the media the [ __ ] meltdown from the. military-industrial complex they were. attacking him over and over from the. perspective of what are you doing why. are you leaving this is crazy you sure. you want to do that look at all the. chaos that's happening oh my God you. might want to go back in that was the. pers the perspective wasn't the. Afghanistan report that had come out a. few years ago which showed that we. literally wasted trillions of dollars. and our own generals on the ground were. like we I know what the [ __ ] we're doing. here anymore yeah like what are we even. doing here I think the real concern was.

protecting the Americans that were left. behind and protecting the people that. worked with the Americans you know the. people that helped them because they. were all murdered yeah tens of thousands. of them of the you know Afghan people. who helped us did end up getting left. behind and they're tortured and murdered. I mean there's some horrific stories. from some of my friends who were over. there aiding in the. extraction of American uh. citizens that were stuck there it's the.

way it was done was very scary so here's. here's the issue with that though like I. don't. know it was always going to be this. messy when you get out I do think it's. true because everything there's so much. money invested in staying over there I. mean there's Ron Boeing Halbert and all. these people are making so much money. staying there and there's I guarantee. you not a single staffer of Biden's was. telling him hey you're right about this. they were all telling him don't do it. don't get out you're causing a political. headache for yourself and he did because.

the media hammered him and then his. approval rating dropped even though that. was an issue where if you pulled people. beforehand like 60 70 80% of the country. was like yeah we need to get out of. Afghanistan yeah so it's one thing where. he actually stood up to the Deep State. he stood up to the military industrial. complex and then he got [ __ ] on. relentlessly for it I understand it was. a mess but the alternative is staying. there 10 more years 20 more years 30. more years I mean we got our. infrastructure is crumbling here why are. we spending. trillions of dollars over there yeah I. don't think. anybody disag anybody reasonable.

disagrees with that I think the the. reasonable perspective is was there a. way to get those American citizens out. first and should that have been done a. lot of them did get out Jamie if you. could look this up if you want I. remember that so the worst thing that. happened was the attack as we Rel. leaving there was some like ISIS attack. on an airport and then what Biden did. was super [ __ ] up because he said oh. we're going to attack them back and he. did a drone strike in on a house and.

said oh we got the Isis guys and then it. came out that was all they were innocent. civilians yeah they just bombed innocent. civilians what are the numbers on on. drones the drones innocence to uh actual. people they're trying to Target so we. know it we know what it is there's a guy. by the name of Daniel hail who um worked. for the government and he was a. whistleblower and he showed the numbers. under Obama were were killing 90% the. wrong people and so he released that and. you know what happened they put his ass. in jail why because he's leaking.

classified information oh so they put. him in jail and then by the way jail now. yes he's in jail right now and and the. people who actually were doing the drone. strikes and killing 90% of the wrong. people they are not in. jail I know that's a rough one I you. know pardon Daniel hail commute Daniel. ha sent like get him out of there it's a. he's right up there with Julian Assange. Edward Snowden like all these names that. a lot of people know where it's like hey. they're kind of getting a raw deal here. this guy Daniel H is right up there do. you think that with all the information. that's available now and these. narratives that do get discussed like.

what you're saying what we're talking. about what you talk about on your show. that more people are informed of that. now so it makes it more difficult for. them to do that and ultimately that. stuff will diminish over time it's just. the people with actual power don't give. much of a [ __ ] of what I have to say or. others like me have to say they give a. [ __ ] about the American people if the. American people don't vote them in. anymore because they're upset about that. well this is more what we call the Deep. state so CIA like the people behind the. scenes the Pentagon the people who are. sort of there from Administration to. Administration and they're not dependent.

on elections like these are the people. who they throw the book at a guy like. that you know because if you leak. something that makes them look good it's. fine that you just leak classified. information you leak something that. makes them look bad like Daniel hail did. and they'll re holy hell on you it's. very disturbing when you find out these. egregious missteps of Justice where. people get imprisoned for leaking. information and discussing information. or or the Steven dazinger case oh yes. that guy we've we've had Crystal kyen. friend Amazing Story crazy yeah he. basically is like if you really get down.

to the bottom line here explain to. people what happened yeah so he was. imprisoned for basically showing how I. think it was Chevron one of the big oil. companies Flatout poisoned I think it. was Peru you might want to fact check me. on that I'm not sure it was Peru but it. was one of South American country they. basically like poisoned the water supply. there they were doing all these terrible. practices polluting everything and he. stood up against them in court and won. and then basically you know the Empire. struck back and went after him and he. ended up in prison yeah basically for.

blowing the whistle on this and getting. him out so here it Isador I'm sorry. there you go not Peru so dazinger uh an. American attorney known for his legal. battles with. Chevron um particularly uh angua versus. texo Inc and other cases which he. represented over 30,000 farmers and. Indigenous people who suffered. environmental damage and health problems. caused by the oil drilling in the Lago. agrio oil field of Ecuador the. Ecuadorian Court awarded the plaintiffs. $9.5 billion yeah 11.5 billion in 2021.

in Damages which led Chevron to withdraw. its assets from Ecuador and launch legal. action against doener in the US in 2011. Chevron F so this has been going on for. 12 [ __ ] years filed a RICO an. anti-corruption suit against dazinger. which is wild in New York City the case. Was Heard by US District Judge Lewis a. CHL who determined that the ruling of. the Ecuadorian Court could not be.

enforced in the US because it was. procured by fraud bribery and. racketeering activities now that's all. [ __ ] just so everybody knows there. was no fraud no bribery no racketeering. what happened was the people who were. corrupt went after him and said he was. corrupt and the judge was corrupt who. put him behind bars and he just recently. got out but this guy went through. [ __ ] hell because he exposed that. Chevon was flat out poisoning people. it's great so he was placed under house. arrest in 2019 while waiting trial on. charges of criminal contempt of court. which arose during his appeal against.

kaplan's Rico decision when he refused. to turn over electronic devices he owned. to chevron's forensic experts in July. 2021 US District Judge Loretta presca. found him guilty and Dinger was. sentenced to 6 months in jail on October. 2021 while Dinger was under house arrest. in 2020 29 Nobel laurates described the. actions taken by Chevron against him as. judicial harassment human rights. campaigners called chevron's actions an. example of strategic lawsuit against.

public participation uh slap lawsuit in. uh April 2021 six members of. congressional Progressive caucus. demanded that the Department of Justice. review doer case in September 2021 the. United Nations High count High. Commissioner of Human Rights stated that. the pre-trial detention imposed on. Dinger was illegal and called for his. release having spent 45 days in prison. and a com total of. 993 days under house arrest Dinger was.

released on April 25th 2022 so let me. also add so yes he spent 993 days under. house arrest now the actual laws they're. accusing him of breaking it would have. been like a Max I'm going to butcher. this but it was like a month or. something so they kept him under house. arrest for 993 days and he actually went. to jail but even if he had gotten a Max. sentence if he had the trial ride away. it would have been like a month or. something like that and more importantly. what that does is it scares the [ __ ] out. of anybody that's thinking about doing. something like that the future. that's exactly the point the Empire will. strike back yeah and they do especially.

in a situation like that where there's. clear evidence that theyed that area. undeniable [ __ ] crazy that's look. this is the impact and you know this is. my big thing this is the impact of money. on politics this is the way our system. works I mean when you have giant. corporations and billionaires pay the. politicians and campaign contributions. then when those politicians get in there. they're going to represent the. corporations and the billionaires and. not the will of the people I mean you. could look at any public opinion poll. and it'll tell you some very clear. preferences among Democrats Republicans. among everybody and we don't get those.

things into law the stuff that goes into. law is a new tax break or subsidy for a. giant Corporation or another bailout for. Wall Street like that's the stuff that's. prioritized because that's what these. people who these people are getting paid. by like Nancy Pelosi for example she has. like an 18% approval rating she was the. a leader of the Democrats for so long. all because she raised the most money. she has the most connections with the. corporations and the billionaires and so. that's why she's at the top the top of. the party it's not because she actually. has people who like her and support her. yeah it's spooky it's spooky because. there's no clear path to get money out.

of politics so there actually there is. well one way is to do a constitutional. amendment but that's difficult because. you need to get like three fifths of the. state it's a whole process it's very. difficult have to get the people that. are involved in it to agree yeah I mean. so there's this thing called clean. elections which is you ban all the. private money everything is funded by. the public and you you're allocated a. certain amount and then you really have. a debate and the Battle of ideas and. different policies and whoever wins the. the fact of the matter is we used to. have laws that limited corporate money.

in politics there was a I think it was. like it's called the tman ACT I want to. say it was like 1907 or something like. that they said yep no corporate uh money. in politics no corporate money but what. happened was the Supreme Court came. along in the 1970s and then in. subsequent cases after that as well uh. Bucky versus valo uh citizens united bot. there were a bunch of cases where they. basically said yeah we're going to go. ahead and claim that bribing politicians. is Free Speech. they claimed it's a free speech issue so. if a billionaire wants to give $200,000.

or whatever to a pack or a super pack or. a candidate like hey that's their right. to do that yeah and you're just going to. drown out there's some grandma in. Cleveland who donates 15 bucks to a. politician and wants her social security. not to be cut and those voices are just. drowned. out the the bribing is so [ __ ]. blatant too it's so strange these these. contributions that people do like Sam. bankman freed for example you know that. oh that was so bad so bad it was it was. all scam everything was a scam so crazy.

that that was going on for so long and. unless that that uh binance guy went. after them that would have kept going. that's right it would be going he's the. one who kind of you know exposed all of. it yeah and meanwhile now they're. exposing him and now his company's. falling apart well look I'm no expert on. crypto but there are many experts who do. say like it Tik tock tick tock in. the whole crypto industry May implode. eventually yeah yeah I mean like I said.

I'm no expert on it but a guy named Matt. Stoler he basically says like the whole. thing is bogus like everything is like. FTX sand Bank been freed like it's all. it's all garbage well if people agree. that it's money that's the thing right. if people agree that crypto is money and. they use it and exchange it and buy. things and it becomes established one of. the problems is it's it's a very tiny. percentage of it that's actually used as. currency it's like less than 10 10%. Bitcoin for example which is like the. most established one people don't. actually use it as currency for the most.

part it's it's a speculative investment. and then now you have interest rates. going up that's affecting everything. that's speculative and everything. they're all going belly up but the idea. behind it people want to decentralize. currency that's not controlled by the. government and so this is the the reason. why they created it in the first place. and the idea behind it is that you know. we could put it in this decentralized. form where we all agree that this is. money and it's not being influenced by. anyone else and you can exchange it and. with with Bitcoin there's a limited. amount of it right so there's a benefit.

in that that you really can't like raise. it and can't you can't make more of it. this is it and you know you can exchange. it and it's its value is determined by. the people and the but it fluctuates so. wild that's right it doesn't act like a. stable currency even if we're super kind. and and you know we try to Steel Man. their position it's still it's there. there are wild swings and it's hard to. treat something that swings that wildly. as as a stable currency cuz it's not. it's more of an investment than a stable. currency do you think it's the the wild. swings are because it's manipulated.

because people that control fiat. currency don't want it to ever be stable. is there any evidence of that no I think. people who got in early on crypto a lot. of them probably made a lot of money on. crypto and then you have this boom cycle. where people get into it they here's the. new hot thing more people invest and. then eventually uh you know the rug gets. pulled out from underneath them and the. people who came in originally may have. made a lot of money but everybody who. came in later bought too late and. they're going to lose money on their. investment so Jam's a big crypto guy he. knows a lot of [ __ ] about this well all.

right all right we'll see Jamie's the. number one crypto guy in the world and. he's I I look at it but I don't try to. speak out of I like I hear things and I. believe what people are saying but I. also watch like it's to me it's it's. very speculative uh I see problems. happening all the time yeah I don't. understand why certain things happening. I I'm Googling right now why is uh can. you manipulate Bitcoin and people are. saying that's the only reason it's going. up right now but I haven't heard anyone. lay out a plan of Like This Is How They. manipulated it so they're saying it's.

going up because people who hold it are. manipulating yeah just a generic Google. though like I don't know who's saying. that well look at nfts right yeah like. that's one where most people were like. get the [ __ ] out of here really you got. a cartoon drawing of an ape with a. captain's hat on million and this [ __ ]. is worth 200 Grand like Justin Bieber. lost like hundreds of th millions of. dollars that's a another that that's a. whole other part of what was going on. that people I don't think a lot of. people understand that for instance just. briefly uh they were giving celebrities.

the nft yeah and ex giving it to them. though I don't know that a lot of them. paid their own money for it you know so. he didn't lose money if he would have. sold it that's like a unrealized gain. you know like that kind of loss right. this is part of what happened with Kim. Kardashian too but no one knew that. those people were being given the the. the nfts though Kim Kardashian is a. separate thing I don't think you had to. look through like who who actually. bought the the uh nft they found like it. was another exchange that was trying to. manipulate things yeah see with the Kim.

Kardashian thing that I just referenced. she did a post I think on Instagram for. ethereum Max I think it was called and. ethereum was a more legit cryptocurrency. but ethereum Max is not and it's not. actually related to ethereum it sounds. like it's like the the Next Generation. or whatever of ethereum and so she got. paid I think it was $250,000 to promote. this and long story short the FEC finded. her ass because it was a total scam and. some somebody just approached her and. said we'll pay you 250 Grand if you just. do this post and she was like okay sure. and she did it and it was basically like. a pump and up scheme got unless there's.

another one too this one got dismissed. but there are there were multiple ones I. think well yeah so the SEC charged her. what 1.26 million in penalties just says. it got dismissed though there's also the. the newest one the this class action. lawsuit against all the celebrities that. endorsed FDX right dismissal comes after. Kardashian paid over $1 million in. October to settle with the SEC over a. promotion of ether Max the judge noted. that the the suit highlights legitimate. concerns about celebrities ability to.

readily persuade millions of. undiscerning followers to buy snake oil. yeah yeah it's all really wild and it's. it's interesting right because it's. emerging and people are wondering. whether or not this is ever going to be. legitimate but if you're right and if. these speculators are right that it's. all going to fall apart that's. interesting too to see what what happens. then look when I look at nfts it seems. more clear-cut to me I just yeah and. I've heard your commentary on it and I. relate to it you're just like I don't. nobody's been able to explain it to me. I'm like yes I get it with crypto at.

least I see some theoretical arguments. where it's like yeah I could kind of see. you know but then it all depends on the. implementation and how it actually plays. out so I'm a little more agnostic on the. crypto front uh but on the nft front I'm. not at all agnostic yeah no I'm with you. 100% on that the nft I've I was. approached both about crypto and about. nfts and both times I like [ __ ] off I. don't want to have nothing to do with. that I if I don't understand like if. someone says hey uh we have this uh. amazing new protein powder it's. sugarfree it's really good for you it's.

got all these amino acids and and I can. look at the data and I go okay I'll take. that and I'll take it and try okay I'll. promote that that makes sense to me but. if you're if you're saying something. that I don't understand I can't explain. it to me again like I'm five tell me. what the [ __ ] a non-fungible token means. like oh well you know you only you own. it but I can take a screenshot of it. right like that's crazy yeah good on you. because that shows you have like some. ethics in how you deal with all because.

I'm sure you get you know crazy pitches. all the time for all different products. but the fact that you say I'm only going. to really you know push the ones that I. know I like and I know I use that's. that's big because there are. unfortunately there are a lot of people. who don't do that it's anybody who will. cut me a paycheck I'll take the [ __ ]. paycheck and I'll say whatever the [ __ ]. and that's how you lose credibility. that's how people don't trust you. anymore if you're Hawking something that. you don't use and you don't [ __ ] care. about you don't even know about then why. should anybody trust you I I won't do. any ads unless it makes sense like is is. this a legitimate thing that people use.

you know like Zip recruiter oh people. use it it helps you get people for the. job that you're trying to fill yeah that. makes sense but whenever it gets weird. I'm like what are we talking about here. yeah you know and like when what H is. this regulated where does this go bad I. mean do I have any personal experience. in it I don't what what does anybody. that makes sense and then you see all. these people that have a vested interest. in it's succeeding and they're making. these exaggerated claims and like this. seems like [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah there. was a there was a few exposes recently.

that were really interesting one of them. was like some company was claiming it's. like highquality Japanese steel knives. forget the name of the company but um. somebody did an investigation and were. like this isn't high quality this isn't. Japanese steel they're flat out Ling and. a lot of YouTubers were pushing this. stuff and podcasters were pushing this. stuff and everybody you know you look. like a [ __ ] dunce you get caught like. that but but for knives like is it sharp. does it cut things like what are we. talking about like knife is a simple. thing like that's true if you're going. to make a claim though it's got to hold. up you know what I mean yeah I guess so.

you got you can't say it's sourced from. this and it's not Source from there you. know you're getting some cheap ass steel. and it's supposed to be high level it's. just it's just [ __ ] it's it's sketchy. it's not right yeah well there like. there's always going to be that right. it's always going to be hard to figure. out what what's valuable and what's not. valuable the other thing was uh what. they were selling like you can become a. lord in Scotland or something like that. remember that do you know what I'm. talking about yeah yeah and people were. doing the ads and it was you know I. remember looking at it the first time. like what the [ __ ] like what are you.

talking it's like the same thing like oh. buy a star remember that it's like [ __ ]. you didn't just buy a star. for like there is a very [ __ ] robust. system where they name stars and not. going to name the Kyle kolinsky star you. know they just give you a piece of paper. and you you spent 500 bucks for that or. whatever it is yeah it's um it's an. interesting world when it comes to. advertising it's an interesting world. when you're trying to figure out like. what's legit and what's not. yeah yeah I mean like I said I I think. there's degrees and the thing I respect. the most is if people only do hey I use.

this I like this well we were talking. last night you guys were explaining to. me about this Indian guy who's one of. the richest men in the world oh yeah so. Crystal knows more about that than I do. but apparently the guy who's he's the. fourth Rich fourth richest guy in the. world giant giant dude and uh his whole. company it's coming out now is just a. total scam the whole thing's a scam yeah. there's a lot of this that goes on Joe. there's a lot of this you know crazy. [ __ ] scam artist [ __ ] a lot of. our economy is just scam artist I mean. look at the 2008 crash right that was.

all just because total lack of. Regulation everybody thought wall. Street's the smartest guys in the room. bro they're just doing what's right by. everybody it's like no they're the. greediest [ __ ] in the room uh ad. Donnie how the Billionaire's Empire lost. a hundred billion dollar in days holy. [ __ ] so Indian billionaire uh how do you. say his name guatam adani has sought to. reassure investors after his company. pulled a surprise by calling off its. Share St uh sale on Wednesday a Donnie.

enterpris who said it would return 2.5. billion raised from the sale to. investors the decision was the decision. will not impact our existing operations. in future plans Mr Adonia said the move. caps an eventful week which began with a. US investment firm making fraud claims. against a Donnie group firms so these uh. fraud claims is what Crystal was. explaining last night yeah it's like a. very reput group that has exposed scams. previously and they did this whole. detailed report explaining how this is.

his whole company is fraudulent and now. you know the Market's reacting to that. Jesus yeah and is it legal scams like. there's some scams that are like multi. level marketing yeah they're they're. legal technically but they really. shouldn't be you know even stock buyback. stock BuyBacks started in like the 1980s. Ronald Reagan legalized them and. previously they were like we're not. going to this is we can't allow this. this crazy you're just like artificially. pumping up your own stock price but now. we allow them so how does that work I I. I don't know the specifics of how the. stock buyback thing works I just know in. the 1980s there was a good video from.

Robert R REI where he explains the way. stock BuyBacks work but they were. illegal until the 1980s then they. allowed them the gist of it is like a. company artificially bolsters up its own. stock price by like buying shares of its. own company as opposed to the way it. used to work is like you would take that. money that you have and you just like. reinvested into your company in a. legitimate way like you pay the workers. more or you you know you do more. research and development or you expand. and then that they don't do that anymore. they it's all just like hey let's pay. the shareholders off even more by.

artificially pumping up the price of our. own stock and screw the workers and it's. legal and it's legal that's right now. now it's legal it wasn't back then now. it is yeah bizarre yeah bizarre like how. does it all like do do you do you. envision a real potential time where. they get money out of politics and that. these kind of things become illegal. again and that there's some sort of uh. sanity is achieved so I mean that's a. great question.

um I am of the belief that the best we. could do and maybe this is a little bit. of a pessimistic viewpoint but it really. is where I'm at at least at the moment. maybe I'm wrong but there are countries. that have sort of achieved significantly. better systems in my estimation like I. think the Scandinavian region they're. just much better systems overall people. self-report being way happier these are. all countries that have you know free. healthare free education the workforces. are almost entirely unionized so they do. what's called sectoral bargaining so. they set wages across an entire industry.

and what happens in that scenario they. don't even have minimum wage laws in. these countries because they don't need. it because everybody's part of the Union. they make more than whatever a minimum. wage would be and so when I look at. those systems I think like that's that's. what I like because you know there was a. time too in the US with FDR with the new. deal we were on that path we were on the. path of like we're going to create a a. vibrant thriving social democracy here. we're going to have beautiful. infrastructure people are going to get. uh paid well we're going to have a. thriving middle class and then with the. neoliberal era all of that was rolled. back you have the introduction of money. into politics you have basically we.

became a giant corporatocracy where. billionaires and corporations run the. show people never get the things that. they actually want so in my opinion what. you need is sort of like a Grassroots. movement on specific issues to achieve. specific wins so you know one of my big. things is universal healthcare we are. literally the only developed country in. the world that doesn't have Universal. healthare there's a commonwealth fund. study that comes out every few years and. they find that we rank 11th out of 11 of. the of the countries that they study. when it comes to our Healthcare System. so we like we know how to do it and. there are experts in the world who can.

construct much better systems but we. don't do it again because of the. influence of money in politics the. health insurance industry buys the. politicians and so they keep scamming I. mean big Pharma is like the biggest scam. going for over the past 20 years you've. had a situation where they make. um sorry hold on one sec uh over the. past 20 years it's all tax money that. funds new medicine all that comes out of. tax dollars so happens is you have. grants go to universities and they do. the research come up with the new drugs.

then big Pharma swoops in buys up the. intellectual property rights for those. things and then sells it back to us at a. colossal profit so we pay for the the. the research up front and then they. charge us on the back end it's crazy so. there's an example I covered a story. recently there's a drug in the UK a. cancer drug coming out of the UK it. costs about $200 in the UK this is a. drug that's existed for decades now we. pay $38,000 for that drug here. holy [ __ ] total scam it's a total. [ __ ] scam uh you could look it up it.

was a raw story article uh it's a drug. for a specific kind of cancer type in. like Raw Story 38,000 cancer drug. $38,000 cancer drug yeah and this is. what and that's just one example Joe I. mean there's so many examples of like. it's just a giant scam they're a. middleman $. 38398 for a single shot of a very old. cancer drug 38,000. that is so. crazy.

wow prostate cancer there you. go H. wow okay well we're going through the. article there but that's all all the. above. insane in absolutely insane so it my. answer is you need Grassroots movement. to try to get universal healthcare you. need a grass TR movement to try to get a. higher minimum wage or get sectoral. bargaining across the country like there. are things that we can do that would.

fight back now honestly when when you. talk about Joe Biden he is largely a. status quo protector there are little. ways in which he's sort of tweaked it a. little bit where he's doing stuff that. you could never even imagine Obama doing. let's let's do this in a minute because. I got to pee sure so let's we'll go over. all this [ __ ] I'm sorry I've been. drinking a lot no don't worry man no. worries man in fact I might be as well. okay and we're back okay. feels good doesn't it yeah it's so hard. to concentrate when you have to be mhm.

so um I was saying in in some very. interesting ways Biden has broken with. neoliberal Orthodoxy uh like for example. the reduction of student loan debt never. before could you imagine a scenario even. under Obama where he'd be like let's. just wipe out 10K 20K has that been. implemented no so what happened is he. did it via executive order. uh and he did it using uh Co. justification so when Trump was. President he actually reduced some.

student loan debt it was only it was for. like specific categories like if you. were a disabled veteran and stuff like. that they would reduce your student loan. debt so Biden used that same. justification that Trump did uh some Co. justification like hey the economy's. rough people are struggling we're going. to wipe out some of this and what. happened was it went through the court. system a couple of Courts said this is. totally legal and then it just got to a. court now that said no this is not legal. we're going to slap it down and so it. didn't work but under the 1965 Higher. Education Act he actually does have the.

right the the uh education secretary has. the right to wipe the debt late clean. because it's the federal government owns. about 90% of student debt so they. already have the authority but I don't. think Biden used the most. straightforward interpretation of the. law in order to do it so they very well. may strike it down but he could just. turn around and say okay I'm going to do. the exact same thing using the uh the. 1965 Higher Education Act where I do. have the the authority to do it is there. plans to do that I don't know and this. is the thing about Biden right is like.

he also is a status quo protector. there's some little ways in which he's. broken with Orthodoxy but you know in. other ways he hasn't so I mean I could. go through I'll give you like let okay. let's go through the bad stuff that. Biden did okay so he ran on him and get. us back in the Iran deal because Iran. they were you know Obama made a deal. with the Iranian government hey we. sanctioned you we're holding your money. we'll give you back your own money if. you promise you're not going to create a. nuclear weapon and we'll allow the Ia. the international atomic energy agency. to go in there and regulate and make. sure you're not building a nuclear.

weapon they agreed to it the deal was. fine the UN comes out and says every. time we go and and uh follow up they're. following the deal to a te Trump comes. in pulls us out of it which is a huge. problem Biden runs on I'm going to get. us right back in it because it was. working before now he's president he he. didn't get back in it and so now we're. talking about you know regime change is. on the table again with Iran we might. have a war with Iran all because Biden. didn't want to hop back in this deal I. mean Trump is primarily Le to brain cuz. he pulled out of it but then Biden said. he was going to put us back in he didn't. put us back in it okay so that's one. thing he did which I hate um Afghanistan.

I gave him credit earlier for pulling. the troops out of Afghanistan but the. thing that he's doing now is horrendous. because he is sanctioning Afghanistan. and keeping billions of dollars of their. money from their Central Bank we've just. stole it and we're holding it the US is. holding it and of course the reason he's. doing that is because he doesn't want. the Republicans to hit him and say if he. releases that money then they're going. to say oh Biden's funding the Taliban. and so he doesn't do it but as a result. of this you have like women and children. and civilians are starving I mean the. country is like in famine right now as a.

result of this is there any evidence. that if they released that money that. would change that those people wouldn't. be starving well if you if you yes if. the if the country had more money you. would have less food in security you'd. have people who can eat but it is true. that of course the Taliban is the. government there so they would get some. of that money yes how much they would it. it would be up to their discretion I. mean I'm not sure exactly how it would. work with the Central Bank versus the. government and exactly where all the. money would go but it to be the general. consensus that you know by not releasing. that money you are sort of sentencing. people to starve so that's a huge.

problem um he he's backing Saudi. Arabia's genocide in Yemen that's. another huge problem um he said oh we're. not going to give them uh offensive. weapons anymore but we're still giving. them billions of dollars in weapons and. they're using it on civilians in Yemen. so that's another huge thing what is. offensive weapons so that was see this. is unfortunately this is what happens a. lot of the time with Democrats is like. he looks at Trump who just openly. supported Saudi Arabia butchering Yemen. and was like oh that's not right we're. better people than that so we're no no.

longer going to sell them offensive. weapons but then he just keeps doing the. exact same policy and pretending like no. no no we're not using this for them to. bomb children and mosques and schools. and hospitals but that is exactly what. they're using it for so it really is. just a slight of hand trick it's the. same policy what what categorizes. something as an offensive weapon I mean. I don't know that's the thing right it's. still the exact same you know weapon. shipments that we had before so but. they're just pretending like no Saudi. Arabia is using this to be defensive. against um against Yemen oh Jesus it's.

just a li it's just a lie is what it is. so that's another example of something. he's doing that's terrible um also he. you know he got a lot of trump got a lot. of [ __ ] for the border and you know. trying to build a border wall and a. policy called remain in Mexico and a. policy called title 42 which is the. pandemic policy where if somebody comes. in to the country illegally there's no. due process we just ship you right out. cuz we're like look to pandemic you. don't get to process so it's an. emergency we're going to ship you out. Biden actually continued title 42 he. continued remain in Mexico and he's.

filling in some of the gaps in Trump's. border wall so he's doing basically a. very similar policy when it comes to the. Border As Trump did so that's another. thing that he gets he gets a lot of crap. for um he picked somebody who's like an. antisocial security extremist to oversee. the program that's a problem because. they might try to cut it they might try. to privatize it I mean to be fair to him. he's actually standing kind of strong on. it now because there's this debt sealing. negotiation that's going to come up soon. and Biden is saying we're not going to. cut a penny from Social Security but he. questionable Staffing choices that he. made which many people think he might.

actually negotiate and do some cuts to. Social Security he uh hiked Medicare. prizes he sent us troops to Somalia he. bombed Syria so there's a number of. things that he's done that are just like. you know I'm a standard American. president I'm I I go in line with the. Empire I go in line with the. corporatocracy uh but there are some. things he did that are actually. genuinely surprising to me cuz I. expected nothing from this guy I mean. this is the guy who when he ran he said. um nothing will fundamentally change to. a room full of like wealthy donors you. remember that there was a big story at.

the time where he was basically saying. you're good like we're not going to. change too much but under him we have on. for the first time in my life we've. actually on shored 350,000 jobs there. he's done a couple policies with uh what. does that mean so uh throughout my life. we've been offshoring jobs which is like. our our manufacturing jobs or factory. jobs get shipped overseas to China you. know India Bangladesh places like that. and for the first time in my life it's. going the reverse way there's a lot of. jobs coming back here what's the reason. for that like so one of the reasons is.

because of the pandemic people realized. oh these Global Supply chains are kind. of a problem because when you have a. pandemic if China for example just shuts. down their country and says no economic. activity and we're reliant on them for a. significant percentage of the goods that. we have here it's actually a national. security issue to be so reliant on them. for the supply chain and so they're like. we need to start building more stuff. here. and so it's one of the few good things. that that he's been doing 350,000 jobs. have been onore to put that in.

perspective under Obama we lost jobs and. under Trump we lost about 200,000 jobs. for his four years in office this is the. first time in my life it's going the. other way and it took a pandemic for. them to realize like oh maybe Global. Supply chains are kind of a problem and. what did they do in order to get that to. happen like what what policies were put. into place so what they do is uh tax. credits for example and and subsidies. and like you penalize companies for. shipping the jobs overseas or you. incentivize them to keep it here and so. some of the things that they're doing.

here are like microchip factories. electric car factories there's a whole. whole bunch of like burgeoning. Industries and it's in places where it. used to be like you know the heart of of. American car manufacturing they're. bringing a lot of the jobs back to those. areas which is why I was interesting in. the uh midterms you saw the Democrats. did pretty well in the Rust Belt and. that was trending the other direction. for a very long time but it stopped and. went back towards the Democrats and I. think the main reason why is because. Biden was doing those policies and so. people see that there's more job. creation there and there's factories. that are coming back so that was one of.

the good things he did he also uh lower. drug prices for seniors in the inflation. reduction act now that's got an. interesting backstory to it man because. Joe mansion and Kirsten cinam are the. two corrupt Democratic senators the most. corrupt Democratic senators corrupt they. take the most big money from Pharma from. Wall Street they're I mean they're. swimming in in donor cash and we were. this close to getting lower prescription. drug prices for everybody but kirston. Cinema took a million dollars from. Pharma at the last minute and she said. I'm not in favor of lowering everybody's.

drug prices let's only do certain drugs. and let's only do it for seniors and so. that's the policy we ended up getting in. the inflation reduction act and when you. say she took a million dollar it's a. million dollars in donations to her. campaign that's right campaign. contributions yeah I know it's when. people learn about how this stuff works. it's mindboggling but yeah we were this. close dude to getting lower prescription. drug price for everybody didn't she. decide to become an independent now she. did yes and she's in no poll is she. winning in a theoretical Arizona race. between a standard Democrat and a.

standard Republican in every poll now. she's like oh I'm an independent she. might run again she might not we'll see. but she's she would come in third no. matter what so what what gives someone. the incentive to become independent I. mean I my theory on this and I don't. know for sure I don't think anybody. really knows for sure my theory on this. is John McCain was viewed as like a. Maverick Republican he was a republican. who sometimes would Buck Republican. Orthodoxy and vote with the Democrats. right like he voted to keep Obamacare. when if he went the other way Obamacare. would have been gone under Trump. remember that he gave a thumbs up and it. was like oh see he's being a Maverick or.

whatever um I think she's doing the same. thing in the other directions so she's. always been a Democrat but she's been a. very very conservative Democrat she. votes like 50% of the time with. Republicans and so she was trying to. create that Maverick brand in Arizona. like John McCain McCain was like a. liberal Republican she was trying to be. a conservative Democrat and But. ultimately look I it's all about when I. look at K in it's all about the money. right like she's going to sell out to. whoever the highest bidder is and Fara. gave her all that money and so she sold. out to them and she cloaks it in like. I'm being principl but it's not about.

that says Kristen Cinema formerly. enrolls in the party of Wall Street and. big farmer the senator switch to. Independent aligns her more completely. with the special interest that she is so. diligently represented since coming to. the chamber trying to get paid that's. right um another thing uh so Biden. announced pretty recently that he's. going to Pardon Federal weed offenders. for simple possession now nobody's. actually in prison that's the problem. but there were 4,000 people who now are. going to wipe that from their record so.

they'll be able to get a [ __ ] job. which is nice and then also he said. they're going to uh they're going to. likely deschedule it or reduce the. scheduling right now it's schedule one. and you know how absurd that is so. they're either going to take it off that. list or they're going to make it like. schedule two or three yeah so they're. going to do that um when is that. supposed to take place um well he. announce the process where they're going. to you know do some sort of I don't know. some investigation into it and then at. the end you're going to have one the. heads of the agencies come out and give. his conclusion but it's pretty well. established it's either going to be off. the schedule list or it's going to be. reduced it's the most Preposterous thing.

we have going Beyond stupid Beyond. stupid I mean you have so many so many. states in the country where it is legal. yeah saw this Canadian province. experiments with decriminalizing hard. drugs yeah I have seen that that's. British. Columbia yeah so up to 2.5 grams of such. drugs as well as methamphetamine. fentanyl and morphine Canadian Canada's. uh federal government granted the. request by the West Coast Province to. try out the three-year experiment well. the state of Oregon decriminalized.

everything like you can get steroids. mushrooms LSD everything's. decriminalized I think that's the right. thing to do I think it's the right thing. to do too it's just trying to sell that. to people that are terrified of their. children doing drugs is what's weird. about it like the idea that a grown. adult should be prohibited from using. something that. other grown adults disagree with is. ridiculous yeah as long as you can drink. alcohol and take prescription medication.

that can kill you like why are we. telling people what they can and can't. do with their body yeah I mean. especially when there's evidence when. things like marijuana for example or. psilocybin which has tremendous. therapeutic benefits to people with PTSD. soldiers people that are dying that you. know like end of life anxiety and yeah. mhm so I'm sure you've seen the numbers. on fenel deaths it's like we have. 100,000 overdoses a year now I think. even one year it was maybe. 110,000 and what's interesting about.

that is the only reason that's happening. is because we did that Crackdown on the. pain pills because about 30,000 people. were dying every year from the pain. pills and so they said oh my God this is. a crisis we got to stop it so they crack. down on those pain pills doctors were. are less able to prescribe that and then. those people who were on the pills. decided now I got to go to the black. market and get heroin and some of that. heroin is laced with fenil and that's. what lead to people dying so you take. this thing where people mean well it's. like they want oh I want to help the. addicts we got to get them off this. stuff let's ban it let's crack down but.

the unended consequence of that was now. fentel is the Killer and it's an even. worse killer and so generally what. happens is when you do when you legalize. tax and regulate or at the very least. decriminalize it's just healthier for. everybody all around you know you could. have better standards better guidelines. I mean we've talked about this before. but during prohibition you had people. dying from a bad batch of alcohol why. cuz it was illegal and somebody was. making it in their [ __ ] bathtub and. cutting it with some [ __ ] that could. kill you right which is what we're. having right now brought in by the. cartels that's exactly right that's the. issue with that so then we're propping.

up this incredible illegal business in. Mexico which is you know getting them. immense power and then you're seeing. these wars that are going on with the. cartels in Mexico right crazy I saw your. podcast with Peter zon where he was. talking about um how actually if you. look at El Chapo he had Consolidated. power and he was the leader. and then we did this What's called the. decapitation strategy you take out the. leader and then the thought is oh maybe. the rest of the organization will. crumble but what happened is you took.

out the leader and then you had people. Waring in the streets to determine who. the next leader was going to be of. course and so it got way worse yeah so I. mean look the answer is legalized tax. and regulate put all the cartels out of. business if you do that right put them. out of business make it so that you know. it's all official reputable companies. that if there's a problem you go to. court and settle it you don't have a. shootout in the street yeah but I mean. making cocaine legal in this. country would be a huge leap it' be a. really scary thing a politician would it.

would be suicidal to say cocaine should. be legal they' be like what the [ __ ] are. you talking about how many kids are. dying from drug overdoses and yeah I. mean look it's a crisis of imagination. right because there was a time when like. everything was legal like the first drug. laws came late in our history and then. now we think of it as like well duh we. have the drug laws but it's not a duh. the big schedule one drug push was in. 1970 and that was a response to the. Psychedelic movement in the 1960 did you. ever see that quote from one of Nixon's. top officials who said the reason why. they did the drug war they said look we.

had we had enemies in our white house. and our enemies were hippie white people. and black people they were never going. to vote for us so what do we do well you. crack down on what you think is their. lifestyle so you criminalize the. Psychedelic drugs you criminalize the. the marijuana the crack cocaine and. that's how we solved our political. problem is we locked these people up. basically gu admitted it it was out the. open yeah it's real obvious what. happened and the consequences are. horrible you know it's like the same. consequences during prohibition is. exactly what we're experiencing now it's. just not organized crime in America it's. more organized crime in Mexico that's.

right yeah and but people don't want to. see that it's too complex and nuanced an. issue for people to say we're going to. legalize all drugs people would go crazy. like drugs are bad yeah I mean I think a. lot of it hinges on that regulation part. because it's legalize tax and regulate. and if you regulate it effectively what. you're doing is you're taking like a. safer version of all the different drugs. and allowing it on the market like I'm. not saying you should be able to go to. the store and get you know [ __ ]. crystal meth or crocodil right these are. drugs that by their very nature the way.

they're made like you could rot your. teeth out of your mouth with crystal. meth or you take crocodile which is like. Poor Man's heroin and your [ __ ] flesh. rots off we've seen those hard or bath. salts people [ __ ] eating people's. faces on bat salts we're not saying. legalize that stuff we're saying. legalize tax and regulate drugs so you. create kind of like a safe alternative. that still gives a semblance of that. particular High whether it's an up or. down or hallucinogenic or whatever and. then you have a more safer situ I mean. look there's evidence that these these. safe injection sites right people look. at that and they go oh my God you're. incentivizing people to go take [ __ ]. heroin this is crazy like what's wrong. with you the reality is when you have.

safe injection sites you have experts. there so nobody's going to you're not. going to pass herpes around or pass. diseases around nobody's going to. overdose because they took a bad batch. you just have professionals there who. say hey we can save you if something bad. happens and they can test the drugs to. make sure they're not [ __ ] tainted so. really all those things do is make it. safer for people but just the Optics of. that are like like it seems like you're. incentivizing going to take her one yeah. and the places that have done that like. Oregon are a [ __ ] holy mess that's. that's also part of the problem with. decriminalization my understanding was. that so they did it in New York City I.

don't know if they're still doing it but. like on the first day they saved like a. dozen people's lives you know and then I. think in Portugal they've experimented. with stuff like this and they've had. some positive results so I mean It's. Tricky but you Portugal's done a great. job of decriminalizing things I'm on the. side of Leaning as much as you can. towards freedom but being intelligent. with the regulations that's my instinct. usually well when you talk to guys like. Dr Carl Hart have you ever seen I have. I've interviewed him he's phenomenal and. his perspective is that we have a very. distorted perception of what the dangers. of a lot of these drugs are in the first.

place yeah and that we have demonized a. lot of these things and and you know. when he first started studying drugs he. was a clinical researcher he was like a. straight forward scientist tea Toler. wasn't doing anything and then he was. realizing this is all [ __ ] and. started experimenting personally with. these different drugs and like there's. some great benefits to that if used. responsibly which Hees does he did. recreational heroin he said that was my. favorite one still does yeah still does. and openly talks about it and he he he.

he keeps his job he does phenomenal. writing and look the fact of the matter. is I think most people who are drug. users actually fall in that category I. think these Stats come right out of his. book like 80% of people who are who do. any drug it's kind of like a. recreational thing where they can do it. and they there are a lot of other. factors that are in play where you know. people are dealing dealing with severe. mental illness or extreme poverty you. mix those things with some who's. addicted to drugs and it's going to get. ugly you know going be homeless exactly. exactly yeah um so but then there's also.

drugs that could help people get off of. these things like ibigan that's. absolutely illegal but people have had. great benefits in going to Mexico and. going to these IBA game Retreats and. then they come back and they have no. problems with any of these drugs have. you ever done that one no no it is it a. psychedelic one well I I think it's. categorized as a psychedelic but it's a. disassociate. is it disassociative I think what what. is a let's look at um what is the that's. exactly what you just said okay it's a.

dissociative psychedelic um what it does. is the people that have taken I say. abigan is a disassociative psychedelic. uh with how do you say that word onic. onic onic properties that has multiple. forementioned anti-addictive mechanisms. as well as the ability ability to. generate therapeutic psychological. insights suggesting promise and treating. alcohol use disorders so that the people. that I know that have gone over there my. friend Ed clay went over there because.

he he had a problem with pills and it. cured him of it and nothing else would. he was having a Real Pro he had back. injury got on oxy code owner one of. those and had a real issue with getting. off of it but recognized like hey I've. got a problem I have to figure out a way. to deal with this and then went to. Mexico went through an iaame Retreat did. it came back and said oh my God why. isn't this legal and then started a. center of his Z in Mexico because of. that I think that what it does to people. is it lets them recognize what what are.

the patterns that's falling them into. this addiction cycle and what is wrong. with them what what what trauma have. they experienced when they were younger. that's causing them to try to escape. yeah it's a for a lot of people I think. drugs like that are kind of like. psychological resets yes you know and. like you mentioned before we've seen. this there's a whole bunch of studies. coming out now. with MDMA with siloc cybin and treating. people who have severe. PTSD uh depression anxiety end of life.

concerns you know you get diagnosed with. terminal terminal illness and you feel. like you don't have the [ __ ] will to. live and then you take a trip on the. right substance and all of a sudden you. feel hope you feel happy yes you know. and so these things have tremendous. benefit but we've had it's a very weird. approach that we've had from the top. down now for a long time where it was. it's just viewed as just say no it's all. evil it's all wrong look these things. are benefits man I mean every morning I. wake up I have caffeine yeah caffeine's. a [ __ ] drug yeah right like people. don't think of it like that but it's. true you go you go have a Monster Energy.

you have a Red Bull you have some. alcohol at night like you're tweaking. your Consciousness in various ways and. it can be an enhancement for sure I do I. probably do better work on my show when. I'm on a shitload of caffeine right so. yeah but then there's people that really. enjoy Aderall which gets slippery I used. to like that in college I used to like. that and as I got older I tried it again. and I just felt too like Zippy it was. like an uncontrolled High whereas in the.

past it felt like oh I feel like. productive and I feel like I want to go. do stuff but as I got older it became. like I feel too jittery what do you. think changed I don't know I mean that's. a great question life circumstances for. sure you know when you're in college and. you're going to class and you're [ __ ]. off you know you don't really have much. Direction overall so you probably feel. like nice little little kick in the butt. with a upper drug is is nice. but you know as you get more established. and and you know more of a workaholic. than anything else it just feels. unnecessary you know I could still do my.

work and do it well without being like. basically high on legal cocaine I'm just. amazed at how many people are on it it's. very common yeah it's a very common one. really common like how much of our. culture is fueled by speed it's a lot I. mean I feel like it started probably. when I was in college as when it was. first getting big but I took it more as. like a party thing like i' pop an. Aderall and go drink and man you could. you drink a lot when you're on it's not. good I don't recommend it folks but you. drink a [ __ ] a lot when you're on. that yeah Shane Gillis was talking about. that it's a speedball right you got the.

upper you got the downer and you're. balancing but that look that is. dangerous when you start mixing stuff. that's when it gets kind of dangerous. you know yeah you ever had four Loco uh. don't think I have so that was an. interesting one it was like a speed ball. in a can it's almost like a Monster. energy or a Red Bull mixed with high. percentage alcohol is that still legal. no so they banned the original formula. because the original formula there were. instances of like people [ __ ] having. heart attacks and [ __ ] you know if you. drink two of those suckers cuz they came. in a big can back in the day you drink. two of them Shout Out Columbus Ohio.

after the beverage was banned in several. States a product reint reintroduction in. December 2010 removed caffeine torine. and Guana as ingredients and the malt. beverage is no longer marketed as an. energy drink so now they took the so. four Loos still around but they took out. the speed part of it yes and it's. different state by state too I think I. think some states are more lenient some. cracked down a little more and yeah I. mean they had like what three four. different uppers in the drink along with. the alcohol [ __ ] up off of it dude oh. my God I I only had one and I was like.

why is everyone talking about this cuz I. I left Columbus where it started it. started at Ohio State and then went off. and then everyone found out how [ __ ]. up you got they have four local parties. you'd get [ __ ] up so quick it's just. it's I don't caffeine and alcohol would. do to each other back when I was a car. salesman I uh miserable [ __ ]. miserable I didn't want to [ __ ] sell. cars but it like you know I graduated. into the worst economy since the [ __ ]. Great Depression I graduated into the. Great Recession and uh I was like I. guess all right I guess I'll go do this. I had a political science degree I'm.

like what am I [ __ ] do in s cars so I. go to sell cars and uh we I had there. were some great people I love the people. who who I work there with and um on a. slow day towards the end of the day we'd. [ __ ] bust out I would drink a Four. Loco at work one of my buddies Gary. shout out to Gary if you're still around. man he would have a a Fosters he would. drink a big Fosters can you go to the. grocery store got the big Fosters can. and you would get [ __ ] [ __ ] up man. holy [ __ ] for Loco is back but this time. in China where it's called lose. virginity.

liquor Jesus Christ Market imagine that. [ __ ] name imagine the board meeting. where they're like what are we going to. call this lose viridity blackout in a. can wow while the drinks populated of. the US waned after a series of. hospitalizations and other incidents is. now being offered on China's giant. online shopping portals Alibaba and. jd.com. where it's sometimes being advertised as. blackout in the can can you order it on. Alibaba and get it shipped to America. probably right I why not I think people.

can still get it o you can also I think. you can we should have a four we should. have a Four Loco episode oh dude oh man. we should do lose your virginity episode. we should do that with a protect our. Parks one day if you guys all oh my God. you guys get four local would be crazy. find out if you can get it even the so. it's even it's just strong it was 12%. which which is part of what it is like a. beer is maybe five six seven if you're. going wild nine if you're in Canada yeah. exactly this is 12 this is almost like.

shots of liquor and the problem is it. tastes [ __ ] good so you can down a. can you can down a can and you're like I. like this oh no and then it hits you. later on oh but you like it because it's. up down you don't know what you're doing. but you feel good God calling it lose. virginity is hilarious yeah they're. asking to get banned huh well I guess. not in China I mean they probably can. get away with stuff like that over there. you think so you think it's less. regulated with substances I thought they. were cuz Trump and this is Trump so it. could be wrong but he always says in his. speech like I ask xiin ping do you have.

a drug problem here do you have a drug. problem and she says no no drug problem. we kill we kill the dealers and so he he. adds that in his stump speeches to make. the argument like we should do that here. kill the dealers which is hilarious. because he did the first step act which. was the opposite of that it gave people. a second shot if there was some lowlevel. drug offense and he pardoned Alice it. was one of the best things he did he. pardoned that poor Alice lady this. Grandma who was involved in some weed. sale or something years ago remember Kim. Kardashian went to the White House and. like you got a he pardoned her good on.

him and now he's out there like we we. should kill him kill the Dr deers don't. you think he's just saying that to R. people up it's hard with him right. because he just he'll say anything he'll. throw it against the wall this is. something I wanted to talk to you about. um Trump versus DeSantis in. 2024 who's the favorite who do you think. wins I don't know do you think that. happens it seems like they're they're. positioning that. right let see but wouldn't the ultimate. be they combine they combine forces but. if danta think do that think some no TR.

Trump's ego he would never team up he's. already been [ __ ] on him for the. past like month yeah but he [ __ ] on. people before and brought him into the. fold think about all the [ __ ] that he. said to Ted Cruz and all those other. people yeah but the difference is Ted. Cruz cucked himself to Trump so Ted bent. the knee after a while and what happened. was that was actually really interesting. story so he went to the RNC and he said. vote your conscience which basically was. like he wasn't endorsing Trump he was. saying do whatever you want I'm like I'm. not endorsing him then he got a phone. call from his billionaire uh donor daddy.

Robert Mercer I think his name is and he. was like remember who you work for and. so Ted fell in line and and then he was. phone banking for Trump with that. Weasley face on like yeah vote for. Donald Trump and so he fell in line he. fell in line and so and I don't think. Sant is not going to do that I. mean if if he's smart I don't think he. would look if you had a straightup race. just Trump versus D Santa. I actually think D santis could win that. but the problem for Dan santis is this. there's already a bunch of other. [ __ ] who nobody cares about who are.

jumping in the race who are going to get. 2% 3% and that all comes out of. desantis's numbers and not Trump's. numbers so if you have a race with 10. different Republicans nine of them are. not Donald Trump nine of them are. splitting the non-d Donald Trump vote. and there's one Trump who can win with. 29% of the vote or something like that. which is likely which is like Nikki Hy. she seems like she's going to run she's. a [ __ ] total donor creation no a. about's people yeah you're the one go. ahead she's going get destroyed but she. runs Mike Pompeo he wants to run uh John.

Bolton he want they're like all these. people are going to run and then if you. have all of them and DeSantis and Trump. you're handing it over to Trump the. other Republicans who need to get in a. room behind closed doors talk it out and. say look we all have egos here but we. got to put it aside and they should dull. stuff out the santis could say all right. who wants to be Secretary of State who. wants to be vice president Let's Make a. Deal so I'm the only one running against. him because that's the only way they're. going to take him down do you think. that's how it goes what do I don't. because they don't have that level of. organization they don't and and you have. a whole bunch of giant egos so I think. what's likely is they all run and Trump.

wins with like 30% of the vote CU you. know it's first past the post voting if. he gets 30% and the closest to him is. 21% or whatever the [ __ ] Trump wins and. it's in the primary so it's all. registered Republicans correct correct. so it's an it's an interesting situation. and Chris and and Sager as well we've. been having this debate back and forth. because there was a period there after. the midterm loss where there were a. bunch of poll showing Dan santis up. comfy on trump it was like Dan santis by. double digits right and we were having.

the debate where I was like no I think. Dan santis is the favorite he is the. favorite but now just recently new three. or four polls came out trumps back up. double digits and so it could be a. heavyweight slugfest but also I don't I. don't know if he has the balls to like. Jump Right In and take him on you know. what I mean because he is the heira. parent he is like Diet Donald Trump in a. sense so he he might feel like if I just. wait till 2028 I I could probably win it. but it his moment is now right because. in the midterms the candidates that were.

most trumpy were the ones who lost so. Carrie Lake she was denying the election. left and right she was one of Trump's. favorites she lost Doug mastriano ran. for governor in Pennsylvania he lost and. he was he was at January 6th he was a. big time election Den like all the. election deniers all the ones who really. cuddled up to Trump those are the ones. who lost the the more the more like old. school Republicans like uh Kemp in. Georgia and he's a guy who said to Trump. remember Trump said find me 11,000 votes. after 2020 yes that's the guy who was. like no I'm not going to do that and.

that guy won his election easy in. Georgia so basically the more non-trump. Republicans did better and so you know. there's a real real weakness there and. he was siloed off on Truth social for a. while he wasn't like he sort of lost his. Normy touch a little bit you know what I. mean he was getting too too wacky and so. disantis was the air apparent but now. things are changing do you think that. Trump comes back to all those social. media platforms like what is his I've. read something about his deal with true. social that it might be up soon oh I if. that's true that's interesting I did.

read that he's planning on coming back. to both Facebook and Twitter I did read. that but to your point yeah my. understanding was he had a deal with. truth so the whole value of the company. is tied to Trump being on it and so he. pulls out of that he's pissing off a lot. of people who invested a lot of money in. that company which you know he's done. [ __ ] like that in the past so I don't. see why he wouldn't do it now but look. he kind of needs it he needs to be back. on Twitter he needs to be back on. Facebook right because if he's on. Twitter that's where people are going to. go it's more accessible the the true so. I haven't been a true social of you no. let's go to True social just see what an.

average like what the front page looks. like on true social because I'm. fascinated because it's one of those. like neighborhoods that I never go into. yeah I mean it's just let's see how you. guys are living Trump land Twitter you. know that's all it is let's see click on. learn more accept they're they're going. to make you sign in yeah they're going. to make you create an account to make. make yourself a little account there. Jamie and we'll wait. use your real email too I want to see. what kind of [ __ ] you do whatever you. got to do but I'm sure you got some. burner emails we all do uh but I'm.

interested I'm I'm interested to see. what they have because like every time. they create an alternative platform it. always winds up being a lot of the. people that got kicked out of these. other platforms for being [ __ ] and. they overwhelm these things when they. say oh we're not going to have content. moderation and then these people just. Spam things and it becomes queing on and. Chaos gab became like literal Nazi. Central right oh gab was Terri the guy. who runs it was like openly kind of. anti-Semitic and wild and so that that. is what happens unfortunately you know. they say hey we want a free speech.

alternative but then it's just just the. band people go there and they don't even. have the Liberals there that they want. to dunk on all the time so it just. becomes like crazy you know and by the. way I don't even trust a lot of the. numbers coming out of these alternative. platforms like a lot of it'll say like. you know what x number of ret truths or. whatever X number of video views rth. that's what it's called a ruuth yeah I. got to give my phone number I don't want. to do that you don't have a burner phone. not on me I'm they're going going to. send me a message oh [ __ ] I don't have a. burner phone on me either you're not. you're not missing much Joe I want to. see when you sign up by the way. originally you you were on a you were on.

a you need to change your phone number. anyway buddy whatever you were on a. waiting list when you signed up. originally when they launched it people. would sign up and they'd be like you're. number 8,212 on the waiting list and you. have to wait to get in there why wait I. mean maybe they just didn't have the. infrastructure to get the influx of. people who were going to sign up to it. yeah there was a big issue at the. beginning I don't know if it's still. like that now it's been around for a. while but originally you had to wait to. get in well there was a lot of talk. about people the progressive people. Banning uh or bailing rather on Twitter.

and they were going to go over to. Mastadon and know that that was Mastadon. is complex yeah and that was just talk. they nobody went anywhere some people. did a a few celebrities bailed but they. did it like with a very virtue signally. way you know they made this announcement. hey it's getting gross here you know I'm. leaving love you all byebye it's not. you're not going to like that I'm sorry. but Facebook is the place Twitter is the. place it just is what it is right so. it's like but it became the place yeah. it did over time but now that it is the. place it's hard to I mean I guess you. could kind of argue maybe it'll be like.

a MySpace situation at some point where. these things will go away but I mean. they're so big and all right we're. close. accounts Babylon B Charlie Kirk nun I. debated that guy by the way Charlie Kirk. yeah how did that go it went well we did. a politicon in like 2018 or I met him at. a gun range once did you yeah we skip. for now yeah it a good debate it was a. fun debate so let's view the feed okay. so I'm not following anyone okay let's. see what we got here you're not. following anybody I know so I probably.

have to follow people no no I'm saying. it says that you're not following anyone. so when you go to the homepage it. doesn't show anything so this basically. without anything on it looks like looks. exactly like Twitter yeah this is. exactly like Twitter but when you yeah. they have check marks but their check. marks are red not blue ah of. course so you have to follow people in. order to okay let's click on. truths instead of okay here we go oh my. God anti-semitic representative that's. such [ __ ] you remember what she said. that they called anti-semitic no I do.

not she was talking about the Israel. Lobby and she says It's All About the. Benjamins that's anti-semitic and they. said that's anti-semitic that you said. that she's like I say the same thing. about the [ __ ] Saudi Lobby it's all. about the Ben L they care about money. Donald Trump says I'm killing everybody. in the polls but Fox News is always able. to find an outlier usually old and. non-credible that makes me look as bad. as possible they work with the club for. no growth and losers like Carrie Ro Carl. Ro rather and their board member Paul. Ryan globalists all in any event we are.

winning big Maga doesn't like Fox News. now is that what that says well he's. always in some sort of battle for. ultimate loyalty right that's right. that's that's his game and when people. step out of line he goes after them and. they panic and then they soften their. approach and so it's a very offensive. sort of way of uh dealing with stuff to. this point it worked but now it's. starting to work less because he's got. so many enemies cuz so many people were. even everybody on Fox News was. criticizing him when the he lost the.

election when all these when all of his. candidates [ __ ] the bed they were like. you know what maybe it's time for a new. Direction and he lost it on them so was. the banon trial so there's all these. different things you can follow it says. there's 58 people talking about it what. is that this a small chat room yeah I. don't think this is a how many people. are actually on true social look at that. 309 people talking 127 people talk. that's not. that's not. big tiny numbers props to them for being. honest about the numbers CU a lot of. these alternative sites just lie right.

you know Facebook was caught lying about. their video views right this was years. ago really you had whole news channels. that went belly up because they bet on. Facebook over YouTube and Facebook just. lied about the numbers and when the. advertisers figured that out they pulled. all the [ __ ] money and so you had. these people who were like big YouTubers. or had their own news sites and then. they went to Facebook and then they. ended up losing everything because they. were they were rigging the numbers it. was a big Scandal yeah but why did they. go there exclusively because they were. told that like this is this is the new. place look at the numbers they're.

getting this is amazing this is where. you're going to make most of your money. so a lot of them went exclusively over. to Facebook but was there a financial. incentive to go exclusively to Facebook. because it doesn't seem like it makes. sense that you wouldn't want to be on. both platforms yeah I mean that's the. smart thing to do right to do both. platforms yeah speaking of I'm actually. on Spotify now oh congratulations yeah. shout out shout out Spotify doing my. showcast for a long time no I was Prim I. was only YouTube for a very long time. interesting so are you on video on. Spotify as well no I don't even know if. they have that option for somebody like. like me you know what I mean like I I.

because I I didn't have any conversation. with anybody at the company or anything. we just started posting uh my show as a. podcast on Spotify as well interesting. yeah yeah I don't know how many video. podcasts there are on Spotify now yeah. it's a good question I mean I only. listen to you in Breaking points on. Spotify anyway so you have the video I. don't think they have video no they're. just audio interesting yeah. yeah how many videos are on. Spotify to be honest I'm not even sure. how I would check that I'm trying to.

think about it right now I'm Googling. some stuff but I'm not sure how you. would find a database of that because. you kind of just have to check the. podcast I think so you were on uh iTunes. or apple podcast so that's actually the. only platform podcast platform I'm not. on really yeah somebody had taken my. name before me like I used to do my show. on this little nothing site called Blog. Talk Radio and would take it from that. and then put it on Apple and that. account is still there so I don't have. my name on that platform so all the. other podcast.

Outlets contact them I mean it's. impossible to get in contact with these. [ __ ] people we've tried I mean if any. hey help me out anybody out there I. would really appreciate that but website. says as of November it's available for. most creators in the world and most. markets oh it's a good chance you have. video podcasts are now available to. creators in most markets around the. world that means there's a good chance. you have access get started. here hm that's interesting so do you. know figure that out as well one of the. main reasons why video got brought to. Spotify you yeah but because of Elon. must smoking weed really yes cuz my.

manager said that's a viral moment that. you don't get with audio and they were. like oh [ __ ] because like you have to. see it right yeah yeah yeah that was. that was that was a very big moment yeah. that kind of a viral moment you really. get more so for video I mean people like. to share video clips you know video. clips they share Twitter and YouTube and. where it kind of has to be video yeah I. mean I'm way audio doesn't go viral way. bigger on YouTube than I am on Spotify.

well you've been on there for so long. been on there for a very very long time. yeah yeah the idea of an alternative. social media platform is so interesting. because it would seem that both with a. video platform like you know a new. YouTube that there would be an opening. for someone to sort of recreate the. success of YouTube and then for. something like Twitter there should be. an opening for someone to recreate the. success but getting people to commit to. posting on a new thing is it's it's very. hard and in my experience anything that.

tries to do like just a copycat of. something else it never really works you. need to bring something kind of new like. Tik Tok for example we were talking. about that earlier yes it's kind of a. new medium the way they do with the. short videos and it just sort of. captured the generation the younger. generation and so if you just do a copy. of YouTube or a copy of a podcast it. doesn't usually work it's got to be. something a little new a little. different that gets people hooked. yeah the Tik Tok thing is fascinating I. told you Adam Curry's uh take on it that. he thinks that the reason why they're. trying to ban it is that it's.

competition and that they're they're. killing the game and that that's why. these companies are like talking about. Tik Tok being so invasive but I also. read an article by a software engineer. that back engineered the Tik tok's. program yeah and they said no this is. the most invasive software we've ever. looked at in terms of like what it does. to your computer how it checks. everything you're doing monitors your. keystrokes listens to your recordings. like every has access to your microphone. yeah I think they're both right honestly.

I think they both make a very good case. the Tik Tok one's been interesting to me. because like I see all the arguments. that people make the ones who are like. hey we got to ban this thing uh because. I think it's true the Chinese government. is probably data farming everybody and. they have everybody's information but I. also just find it kind of weird that. there's like a specific focus on them. because they spy on everything we do on. every platform I mean we had the Patriot. Act which goes all the way back to the. on terror days where they were they're. illegally collecting all of our metadata. you had Edward Snowden on the show he. could explain this stuff way better than. I could explain this stuff so yeah you. have YouTube Google I guess is is uh the.

parent company so you have Google you. have Twitter you have all these they all. have our data they all and I'm sure. you've had this experience it's gotten. creepy like there was one time I was. talking to Crystal and I mentioned. something I never mentioned it before. never Google searched it I think I. mentioned the serial weedies or. something like that I go to Amazon I got. a [ __ ] recommendation for weedies bro. I was like what are the odds what are. the odds that that's just random zero. yeah about zero. .001 yeah it was so I'm like Jesus.

Christ that's so invasive yeah it is. weird because we've talked about that. before so many times we mention. something and then you get an ad for it. and it's like what is is that. coincidence because people want to say. it's coincidence but it can't be so what. are they doing are they just listening. to everything you say I mean Alexa is. probably the worst right people who have. Alexa sneaky little [ __ ] [ __ ] robot. in your house who's spying on your ass. all the time top 10 sites based off of. daily active or monthly active users I. guess rank among social media platforms. so Facebook is number one YouTube is. number two then there's WhatsApp which.

is not really a social media app it's a. messaging app right then you have. Instagram WeChat and then Tik Tok what. is that man what's Maus what does that. mean monthly active users I believe oh. come on is only a million on Tik Tok. that's hor [ __ ] I think it's a billion. but yeah it's a thousand million so a. billion I'm so stupid um Facebook. Messenger interesting 988 million is. just below that doesn't Facebook own all. five of these company four of these uh. Facebook does not own YouTube um not not.

that one but WhatsApp Instagram yes uh. do they own WeChat who owns WeChat what. is WeChat I don't even know what that is. same kind of thing I believe what's. WeChat that's WhatsApp there's a new. there's a new messaging app called IQ. that the UFC is using I I saw ads for. that I i' never heard of that before. either do you know what I'm too old for. this. [ __ ] the what am I I can't I can't keep. up I can't keep up with all this stuff. oh so it's. uh it seems China Chinese thing we chat.

China yes so it's the it's the WhatsApp. of China right that's the gist of. it okay lot of people in other countries. use WhatsApp like you go to other. countries you talk to people they go. what's your WhatsApp right like oh now. they are encrypted right isn't whatsap. encrypted yes it's encrypted yeah and. that didn't change recently I feel like. maybe that changed I do not know okay I. rarely use WhatsApp but I I used to I. don't really use it yeah I used to use. it not much anymore though I that's how. I talk to Zuckerberg we WhatsApp each. other cuz he probably want he's like hey.

man look FBI is listening CI is. listening let's go over here oh I'm sure. but it's um they should be able to. listen to that too though if they're if. they can monitor your keystrokes you. tell me they can't monitor your. keystrokes on a an encrypted application. I mean my understanding is that. encryption was the way to protect. yourself from that but I don't know much. about this stuff so you can't take my. word for it as signal it says every. WhatsApp message is protected by the. same signal encryption protocol that. ensure that secures messages before they. leave your device when you message a. WhatsApp business account your message.

is delivered securely to the destination. chosen by the business yeah end to end. encryption endend encryption okay so. it's basically very similar to Signal. which I use yeah well that's one of the. things uh Twitter DMS that's one of the. things you should talk to Elon about. that because it's totally they can see. all of that [ __ ] all of it all of it. yeah yeah which is wild they they. monitored people's well not only that. there was a a link that I tried to send. someone on uh Twitter DM back during the.

censorship heavy days of covid I could. not send the link they did that with the. hunter Biden article you couldn't even. DM it wow you couldn't even DM it crazy. crazy it's it's crazy now that we know. that it's true absolutely absolutely I. mean they had like intelligence. officials like this is Russian. disinformation knew it was true yeah for. sure it's crazy it's the whole thing is. so wild that what a concerted effort to.

try to suppress a legitimate Story by. the New York Post which is one of the. oldest newspapers in the country they. overreached I mean that's what led to. the Scandal is was such if they just did. what Zuckerberg did just algorithmically. suppress it yeah nobody would even have. known about it nobody would have said. anything people would have complained. but it would have been you know in and. out of the public Consciousness but. because they overreach so much yeah. people are like Jesus [ __ ] Christ. this is crazy this is insane it it's. such an overreach and it also really. undermines people's confidence and. intelligence agencies unfortunately oh.

dude there I mean be skeptical of. everything you hear like look okay when. it comes to the FBI yes I could point to. some things that they've done where it. was like good on you they went after the. mafia they went after the Klux Clan like. they've done some good work right but at. the same time they also went after. Martin Luther King Jr they sent him a me. a letter that was like Hey man we know. what you're doing we know you're. cheating on your wife you probably. should just kill yourself. oh is that what they said absolutely. yeah they said you you should commit. suicide whoa yeah the FBI sent a Les. letter saying you should kill yourself.

do we have access to that yeah I think. we can get it now yeah you never seen it. I don't know if I have maybe I forgot. about it so what they do the FBI like. they're not they're not ideological in a. traditional uh partisan sense what they. are is they're all about protecting the. establishment in the status quo so if. they feel like a threat is coming from. the right they'll go after the right if. they feel like a threat is coming from. the left they'll go after the left there. it is so King there is only one thing. left for you to do you know what it is. you have just 34 days in which to do.

this exact number has been selected for. a specific reason it has a definite. practical significant you are done there. is but one way out for you you better. take it before you're filthy abnormal. fraudulent self is be to the. nation whoa now they try to do this to. Malcolm X as well but he lived a squeaky. clean life he was not uh cheating on his. wife look how this is written no no.

person can overcome facts not even a. fraud like yourself lend your sexually. psychotic ear to the enclosure you will. find yourself in all your dirt filth and. evil evil and moronic talk Exposed on. the record for all time I repeat no. person can argue success y against the. facts you are finished you will find the. record for all time your filthy dirty. evil companions wow male and female.

giving expression with you to your. hideous. abnormalities this is. crazy so this is the 60s and they're not. even the worst of the intelligence. agencies Joe the CIA is way worse have. you ever listened to the blowback. podcast no you would love that podcast. so they go into the history I think they. they do one on the Iraq War they do one. they give you everything that led up to. it why they did it what the people were. saying to each other behind the scenes. what the motivations were they do it.

with uh our war on Cuba like Bay of Pigs. and how we were trying to get rid of. Fidel Castro they walk you through all. the history they do a phenomenal job and. basically I mean the CIA their whole job. was like paramilitary for the US. government trying to topple in this case. Cuba to put back in a puppet dictator. cuz the guy who came before Fidel Castro. was uh Batista and he was a vicious. dictator and basically Cuba was like a a. gangster Mafia State you had like famous.

gangsters had a stake in the casinos. over there it was like the playground of. the US basically and so people there. were terribly exploited that guy was a. vicious dictator he was toppled by Fidel. Castro and then it was the mission of. the CIA for so long we got to get this. [ __ ] out of there and it's it's all. all the stuff's on the record all the. stuff's it's incredible the stuff that I. mean even today like what we're doing. with Venezuela what they were doing with. Cuba back then where we're trying to. overthrow it happened under trump it was. continuing under Biden now it's actually. changing a little bit because Saudi. Arabia is acting a fool over their oil.

and they're not giving us as much as we. want and so now you have the US. government is sort of slowly opening. talks with Maduro yeah yeah maybe we can. be friends because they got a lot of oil. in Venezuela so what happened with Saudi. Arabia that that that this relationship. soured I mean how much of it does. anything have to do with the Jamal kogi. murder I think a lot of it does yeah so. when Trump was in there yeah they they. did NBS killed Jamal kogi they chopped. him up into little bits in pieces and.

Trump didn't even do he didn't even give. like lip service to to to doing the. right thing he didn't even say like. don't do that that's fine he did nothing. he did not in fact he continued sending. them weapons and money didn't he say. something like we do similar things I. think that was in context of a different. interview when he was talking to Bill. O'Reilly before the Super Bowl anyway um. yeah so Biden you know Ma some of the. right things about Jamal kogi and like I. think he said we're going to make Saudi. Arabia the Pariah state that it should. be he said something like that and when. NBS heard.

that no so he even went he even start he. started talking to Russia he started. talking to a lot of our enemies and like. making deals Iran no not Iran they hate. Iran he was making deals with like. Russia behind the scenes and um it was. just like some mild criticism and now. you know we keep going to them in. response to the oil markets because with. the war in Ukraine there's a lot of. issues with the oil Market where it's. not doing well and so when we had really. high gas prices Biden went to NBS and. was like you got to got to help me out. here you got to release more barrels of. oil per day and he didn't do it he.

basically said [ __ ] off and then it was. right after that you saw these articles. about how Biden was talking to uh or you. know top us officials were talking to. Maduro in Venezuela trying to get slowly. ease back into some sort of a business. relationship with them but it wasn't. that long ago it was just a few years. ago they were trying to overthrow this. [ __ ] they were trying to overthrow. Maduro remember they they pretended like. the Juan guo totally unelected did not. win an election we were just pretending. Trump was pretending like yeah that's. the president now he's the president.

it's not Madera this is this is the this. is the real pres very very ignorant. about Venezuela unfortunately I don't. really know exactly what's going on over. there yeah well they were they were I. mean they were so reliant on oil. remember Hugo Chavez was the leader. there they were they were doing okay. based you know with their oil but when. we sanctioned them then they had nothing. it became a super poor State m mely High. inflation almost overnight because we. crack down on them and so now with. Maduro it's a similar situation but it. looks like maybe relations will change.

if the situation with Saudi Arabia. doesn't work itself out because we'd. want to do more oil deals with them and. then all of a sudden you'll start seeing. articles about like man maybe we had. this guy wrong maybe he wasn't such a. human rights abuser how do you keep. track of all this [ __ ] must be. overwhelming though to have I'm. interested in it you know yeah no I'm. sure but I mean it must be still. overwhelming just a sheer amount of. information that you have to [ __ ] pay. attention to I mean I feel like it's. actually very similar to you when you're. interested in something you go down a. rabbit hole and you'll read everything. about it and then you know a lot about.

the topics that you read about and it's. just the same thing for me it just. happens to be very it was directly. involved in politics that I'm interested. in you know and so I'm reading about. foreign policy I'm reading about. domestic policy I'm reading about. economics and you know you just it. sometimes I'm good and I can remember. the facts other times I need to sort of. jot them down when I'm doing my show and. hit the points that I know I need to hit. you know what I mean do you enjoy this. as it is or do you ever plan on going. into politics oh no I don't want to go. into politics no I don't want to do that.

is that wild you're so interested in. politics I mean I'm interested in. following it learning about it thinking. of solutions and calling [ __ ] on the. system you know like that's what I'm. interested in if you actually are in the. game man it's just a different world I. mean you know it's it's it's dirty I. don't even know if somebody like me cuz. I would come out and say I'm not taking. billionaire money I'm not taking. corporate money I'm going to raise it. all through small dollar donations and. I'm still probably going to only come up. with one tenth the amount of money I. would need to even be competitive you.

know and then when you add the media. into into the game too and their effect. then you're done because they'll dig up. every little thing I've ever said in my. life go through my old tweets and go. through my old YouTube they'll find. things take them out of context post. them and that's it you know yeah it's. over but you enjoy the commentary aspect. of it yeah I mean I just find this stuff. interesting I like to share the things. that that I read that I think are. because there's so many things I come. across where I'm like damn I want people. to know about this and know like I think. the media they just go towards like the.

dumbest Stories the most Sensational. Stories the cheap clicks the cheap. headlines but if I'm reading about like. the inflation reduction act which passed. and I'm going through the provisions. I'll see I'll be like this is a really. good [ __ ] provision nobody's even. talking about this like people don't. even know like what just happened just. to give an example Remember When there. was this bill called the pacted ACT. which which was struck down in Congress. and the pacted Act was to give Health. Care to toxic burn pit victims who are.

US veterans they voted that down they. said no we're not going to give. healthare to these toxic so what. happened was John Stewart saw that yeah. God bless him he get he gets out there. and he starts doing interviews he starts. calling these people out by name like. this [ __ ] voted against it and. this [ __ ] voted against it and I. brought these guys here who are. struggling to [ __ ] breathe and. they're going to tell what their. situation is and that was an instance of. there was so much shame brought about by. John Stewart going on the Crusade that. the media actually like got whipped into.

shape and like oh [ __ ] we got to talk. about this so Fox News MSNBC CN they all. talked about it and that actually led to. change because then they had another. vote and it passed and so when I look at. that I think like yes that's like I see. my role similar to that I'm nowhere near. as big as big as John Stewart is right. but that's one of those things where. when the story first came out nobody's. [ __ ] talking about it they just voted. down a bill to give Healthcare to toxic. burn Pi victims who are US veterans. nobody was talking about it and so I. look at that I'm like our media is. broken it is broken if you can't look at. that like their outrage meter is broken.

you know what I mean they get outraged. all the weird like a comedian makes a. joke that some people are offended by. and it's like oh let's talk about this. for [ __ ] a week distractions it's. just distractions and so I view my job. as like let me tell people the things. that I think are actually interesting. that I think they should know that uh. should be the news of the day the big. story of the day and so that's that's my. the the difference between someone being. outraged at a legitimate important thing. versus what's going to get clicks that's. part of the problem right is because.

what they're looking for in the media is. the things that are going to get the. most attention yeah I I think I agree. but I also think they're short cited. like I think they sell people short in. terms of um what is interesting because. if you tell people all the information. the real world is crazy enough the. actual things that are going on are. crazy enough where they are kind of like. shocking and interesting but yes it's. easier to get the cheap headlines with. cheap topics and that's what they do. they lean into that and also they have a. financial incentive not to talk about. the real issues in the system yeah.

because they're the beneficiaries of the. system there's so many different things. to think about which is part of the. problem if someone has a job and during. that job they're required to use all. their resources to benefit the company. and they're working on things all day. and then when they're off work then. they're supposed to be paying attention. to Venezuela and Jeffrey and the Twitter. files and the this and the that like my. God there's so much and then they're. getting their news many people from onh.

hour mainstream news broadcast where. where they do a cursory examination of a. few very specific topics that's right. and I don't blame those people for not. knowing about something it's not their. fault like you said they're working all. day they're busy they're just trying to. pay the bills and they're just getting. fed absolute garbage. so I'll give you another example of. something I thought was amazing is um. they did this extended child tax credit. um about two years or so ago and um that.

reduced child poverty by. 50%. 50% and then they let it expire and now. it's just gone stop and think about that. we reduced child poverty by 50% like. that and nobody stopped and said well. hold on this kind of implies that child. is a choice like we made a choice as a. nation to keep the child poverty rate. what it was right and so you had this. brief moment where they reduce it 50%.

and then that just goes away how long. was a brief moment for a year you know. it was part of was it part of the IRA it. was part of one of the uh covid relief. bills they did the extended cha tax. credit people were struggling and they. said we'll give you $3,000 I believe the. number was for every child who is six or. younger six or younger or six or older. anyway one group is was $3,000 the other. group was $3,600 per child and that had. it was an amazing impact I mean you had. there were studies coming out showing. that like depression and anxiety were.

reduced as a direct result of those. people who got those payments and this. is something that no nobody talks about. it wasn't you know it wasn't a big deal. you know in the media and I've never. heard it see this is what I'm talking. about I know um another great example is. uh you've had Andrew Yang on the podcast. before you've talked about Ubi before uh. there was a study that came out of. Stockton California there's the mayor in. Stockton California is a guy by the name. of Michael tubs and he decided to do. this Ubi pilot program which is like. okay I'm going to try to get 500 bucks a.

month to a group of people and just see. what happens see how this changes their. lives see see what they spend the money. on and all that stuff so they did this. program 37% of the money went to Food. 22% went to like home goods and clothes. and shoes and stuff like that 10% went. to car costs and 11% went to utilities. less than 1% actually went to like. alcohol or [ __ ] off type [ __ ] really. right yes and so this was an examp like. Ubbi worked and it had the effect of by.

the way it didn't even affect. unemployment in a unemployment went. excuse me employment went up. unemployment went down when you do this. program you think that that's uh. scalable uh I mean all the evidence that. we have right now is yes there's. obviously a tipping point where like if. you give too much you might. disincentivize people from doing other. things right so what's the right number. that's the question I mean there are. people much smarter than me who will. debate that and find the right line and. what did they give in stock they gave. $500 a month no strings attached that's.

a reasonable amount because you can't. live off that and it just just people. employment went up productivity went up. people self-reported better uh. well-being lower stress so out of debt. imagine if they scaled that. Nationwide what the implications would. be and where would the money come from. like that's one of the things that I. found fascinating about Bernie's ideas. is that Bernie wanted to take a very. small percentage of stocka Trades you. know these uh things where they're. speculating and it was like less than a. cent for each one of them and then that.

would generate an enormous amount of. money because of the amount of stock. trades and his argument was it wasn't. going to hurt business but it was going. to greatly benefit people yeah I mean. that we have tremendous body of evidence. that redistribution works really well I. mean this is what FDR was about this is. what the New Deal was about yeah you tax. the wealthy a little more right now. there was a study that came out a few. years ago after the 2017 Trump tax cut. Bill 83% of the benefits went to the top. 1% and it just I mean they pretended.

like it was for the working class but it. wasn't for the working class it was for. the wealthy and so now we have. billionaires actually pay a lower. effective tax rate than a middle class. person the effective tax rate for a. billionaire is now lower than it is for. a middle class person and you can fact. check me on that jam. yeah so so in other words we're doing a. regressive tax system it's not even a. flat tax flat tax is when somebody says. like hey do like 15% across the board. everybody pays 15% it's not even that.

it's a working-class person pays pays a. higher tax rate than a billionaire does. as a percentage if they did this. Universal basic income thing like say if. they they kept that number $500 a month. and they they do it across the country. like what income bracket would receive. this you don't want be Universal it be. un billionaires yeah but you're you're. going to tax them more so it's going to. cancel out and then some you know what. I'm saying it's basically an attempt to. try to get people who need the money the. [ __ ] money that's all it is right you. know Bill Mah had a good line he's like. I did a study you know what poor people.

are lacking money H and it's like yeah. fair enough yeah fair enough. interesting yeah I I mean uh a lot of. people got sour on the idea of universal. basic income when they saw how people. didn't want to work when they got covid. relief I think that was uh. largely bogus yeah I don't think I mean. because look at the unemployment rate. right now right it's like what 3.5% or. something like that it's like the. unemployment rate was relatively stable.

in this area but there were all these. media articles about like oh nobody. wants to work because they got one check. for $1,400 I think is also a thing that. happened to people where their. employment was taken away and then they. had to reassess their values and what. they wanted to do with their life I. think that had a significant impact. there was a lot of people that were like. deep in the grind and thought they were. going to be rewarded for it and then all. of a sudden boom everything's taken away. from them and then like what the [ __ ] am. I doing I want to do something different. it was a real wakeup call for a lot of. people I think you're right about that. and that's why you see a lot of people. now like I don't want to go back to the.

office if my job wants make me go back. I'm not going to [ __ ] go back to the. office I'm not going to do that but you. know RV sales went through the roof. during the time of the pandemic some. people were like hey you know I want to. travel I'm reassessing and look it's a. good thing I mean there was a poll I. read a long time ago only like 18% of. Americans feel engaged when they're at. work that's crazy which is like dude. less than % of the country likes their. [ __ ] job this is like a crisis so. crazy so of course you're going to have. depression high anxiety High all these. issues that that are associated with. that I mean you you're lucky I'm lucky.

we happen to do things that we really. like but imagine being somebody who. doesn't doesn't like your job yeah well. I've been that person in the past too. you have too yeah it's not a fun. existence the difference between the. overall happiness of being able to do. what you enjoy versus doing something. that you have to do it's immeasurable. it's night and day the that it has on. your psyche the way you think about life. the way you think about the weekend the. way you think about Monday morning it's. just a totally different way of. existence and also it's not like these.

people that are in that 18% that en. enjoy their job like they they suffer. more they they're they're more generally. speaking they're happier they live. better they have a a better possibility. for the future they're enthusiastic. about it whereas the vast majority of. those people that are doing something. they don't want to do they're barely. even getting ahead like what what. percentage of people are actually saving. money and and like putting together a.

nest egg and look how many people are. living check to check over 70% jeez over. 70% you know Crystal did a good thing. recently she there was some study that. came out which showed the happiest. people what profession they're in and. the most depressed people the happiest. were. farmers really they were the happiest. people and then I believe uh the least. Happ were like. lawyers uh PE people who like work work. kind of office jobs and probably massive. hours too yeah but the theory was like.

the people who and I'm forgetting the. others that were at the top but the. theory was that like people who are more. working with their hands they're outside. they're actually doing something of. value that those are the people who are. happier and that makes sense to me you. know Farmers that's a [ __ ] hard job. it is yeah and also there's fewer small. farmers now it's mostly the big yeah. yeah yeah man that's shocking Farmers I. would think it'd be like artists or. something someone who does something. that some are tort some artists are. tortured you know yeah that's true too.

right yeah yeah and that's why they're. artists in the first place they have all. these emotions and conflicted ideas and. it comes out in their art but you've. talked about the impact of nature too. you know like when you're out in nature. and I feel this I get it in to a much uh. lesser extent because the thing that I'm. doing in nature is not really in nature. golf well yeah you're out the grass is. it is manipulated nature but like when. I'm out there after I play I Feel. [ __ ] great feel great we were talking. about people that are getting cancer. from putting golf teas in their mouth do.

you know about that I did not know about. that that's [ __ ] terrifying well you. know I knew a guy who got like severe. cancer and he was one of many people in. his neighborhood because of runoff from. a golf course because golf courses use. so many pesticides and herbicides and. that this was getting into the water. supply and this guy has like a fake. femur he had bone cancer so one of his. femurs had to be replaced with like a. rod yeah heavy [ __ ] [ __ ] and Jamie.

weren't you the one who was telling me. about it probably yeah I was I'm reading. a story on our favorite website Snopes. that's actually true whoa uh about a guy. in the Navy who bit off a tea and it. almost killed him in like 10 days or. something it says what he had an. allergic reaction though I believe to. the pesticide or fungicide oh he died 10. days later after a toxic substance had. burned the skin from 80% of his body and. caused major organs to fail the toxic.

sub substance was determined to be how. do you say that dcil dosil uh an FDA. approved fungicide that had been sprayed. on the Army Navy Golf Course twice a. week prior uh apparently had a hypers. sensitive hypers sensitivity to the. chemical used in the fungicide causing a. severe allergic reaction that that's one. but but what I'm hearing about is mouth. Cancers and from the tea yeah so you're. you're imagining they're spraying all. these golf courses to keep them pristine. and rolling nice and then you you put it.

in your mouth cuz you like you know you. have your hands are free I mean how many. things are like that that we don't even. think about now we don't even know about. like you know the Monsanto thing what's. the name of that Roundup the Roundup. stuff there's a lot of evidence that. that stuff causes cancer a lot of and. there's just a lot of places just like. we're just going to not care well not. only that have you seen the numbers when. they they look at people's urine and. blood and they test how many people test. positive for Roundup it's extraordinary. go Google that what what percentage of.

people uh that were tested found Roundup. in their. body it it's a very high number and a. lot of the shells were like oh it's a. minimal amount of parts per million and. parts per million of something that kill. you that you're not making me. comfortable cuz also oh here it go okay. uh according to Center for Disease. Control prevention found it 80% of. Americans have glyphosate in their urine. holy [ __ ] the health consequences of the. situation are unknown oh my God though.

many scientists insist glyphosate is. linked to cancer and other health. issues yeah and that's to just to kill. weeds uhhuh Jesus Christ yeah well. that's uh the byproduct of monocrop. Agriculture which is also something that. people need to understand how dangerous. this is to the top soil how dangerous it. is to environment the runoff that gets. into streams and rivers and you know we. had um Will Harris from White Oak. pastures on who explained that in depth.

about how he came to an understanding of. the dangers of this stuff and converted. his industrialized Farm to a. regenerative farm and it took 20 years. to do it oh my God it's very difficult. very time consuming w a lot of money. invested in keeping it the way it is but. he and he was a guy that I actually had. on the podcast CU I saw him on Fox News. he was on this mainstream show and they. gave him five minutes and the guy was. trying to hurry him along and will talks. in a very slow and deliberate manner wow. where he picks his words carefully very.

interesting guy to talk to fascinating. really intelligent human and very I mean. has amazing ethics and character the way. he decided to do this so I talked to him. for three hours yeah that's first of all. I'm happy that fox actually had him on. that's surprising cuz normally they take. like the anti- environmentalist but they. had him on the [ __ ] on Bill GES oh I see. because Bill Gates is buying all the. Farmland so they got like well that's. [ __ ] up I mean he should that's not. good I'm not for that no yeah well you. know the idea that he is this altruistic.

person that's only you know doing these. things because he's a. philanthropist that doesn't bide with. the profits that he makes from these. Ventures and like there's there's. incentives that are other than. philanthropy yeah he had he had a. phenomenal PR campaign for years which. portrayed him as like he's the good. billionaire bro he's just looking out. for everybody not only that but it was. funded like that PR campaign when you. find out how much money he donated to. these major news organizations those. donations were sizable in the hundreds.

of millions of dollars which is really. wild I know see that's a big problem too. and this happened with Sam bankman freed. as well there were a bunch of puff. pieces written about Sam bankman freed. and come to find out he donated a lot of. money to all these different sites and. that's the sort of conflict of interest. [ __ ] to come full circle back to what we. were talking about before that's the. sort of conflict of interest [ __ ] that. you're never going to get good unbiased. Fair objective reporting from an outlet. that's funded by I mean you see Sunday. shows they'll have a commercial for loed. Martin or something you're like locked. Martin and what's the impact of that I.

mean I remember I was reading a. political article one time and it said. at the top I think it was either funded. by or like from loed Martin or from. rathon and the article was about how. like we needed to go to war with I don't. know if it was Syria or one of the other. countries over there it was like yeah we. got to go to war yeah well I'm more. likely to take your opinion seriously if. you don't have a financial interest. vested in going to [ __ ] War like what. are we talking about here this is insane. it's. insane but how does one take money out. of those things how does one take money.

out of the news well that's the thing. it's so hard yeah so hard I mean so you. could do Public Funding sort of like PBS. but even PBS now doesn't it's not just. purely Public Funding no they have. establishment narratives that they. promote as well of course and so and. they think they're doing the right thing. by promoting those narratives yeah yeah. they definitely do but I mean the other. way is small dollar donors but again. it's almost like I got kind of Lucky and. people who started when I started doing. what I do we got kind of Lucky cuz it. was more of a meritocratic algorithm in. YouTube where like we got a little bit.

of popularity we got enough of a. following so that when they did yeah you. know crack down we're still you know not. as affected as we could be I mean there. are some great YouTubers there uh this. guy Mack good politic guy he does great. videos and he just gets crushed by the. algorithm if he started when I started. he'd be as big as I am but he didn't he. started like two years ago or whatever. and he he gets no traction and it's all. because of YouTube it's not because of. him what's his channel uh good politic. guy good politic guy yes that's his. channel yeah he's he's a he's a good guy.

we like mac that's uh it's very. unfortunate and that's that brings up. the idea the possibility of an. alternative platform that doesn't. operate in those same algorithms and I. think one of the plans that Elon has for. Twitter is to try to incentivize people. to publish on Twitter by videos yes. videos and by giving them a larger. percentage of the ad revenue and by not. hindering them with this sort of. complicated algorithm that only favors.

establishment I mean it'll be. interesting to see where that goes and. how far he'll get but like you know he. said originally like he was against. Shadow Banning and then at some point he. said uh freedom of speech is not freedom. of reach and we're going to like not. spread far and wide the stuff that he. deems hateful but then the question is. like what is hateful right that's the. question how how do you do that how do. you do that you know and he's you know. he also somebody asked him about hey you. going to bring Alex Jones back on the. platform and he's like no yeah you know. so it's like okay well I I don't think. we could rely on one single person to. make these decisions these are the sorts.

of things my whole answer has always. been uh regulate YouTube Facebook. Twitter all these big social media. companies like their public utilities. and expand First Amendment protections. so then you actually have law backing up. that doesn't mean people could go on. there and do direct threats of violence. cuz direct threats of violence are. illegal right there's still going to be. some things where he can't do that but. outside of that yeah I'd like to see it. way more free way more open when it. comes to YouTube I'd love for them to go. back to a more of a meritocracy of the. algorithm where if you do good it. spreads far and wide and like I said you.

may have some instances where a. conspiracy video pops off and that's. going to suck the same time it's going. to be messy but that messiness is way. better than having some overlords. determin based on their own biases and. their own feelings what they think. should spread and what they think. shouldn't spread especially when you. know there's clear evidence it's. manipulated by money absolutely yeah. absolutely yeah the idea that a bad idea. should be suppressed versus a bad idea. should be refuted by better ideas that's. really the essence of debate and that's.

how we come to an understanding of. what's real and what's not and it a lot. of I'm sorry but a lot of people are. just lazy like I don't look I don't. think CNN is good at debunking ideas. that they dislike I don't think they're. good at it and so I think it's sort of. like a cheap shortcut to be like oh just. sort of Jerry rig the algorithm a little. bit and get rid of that you know what I. mean and it's just lazy people who who. actually care about this stuff who care. about the facts and the information you. need to be able to spread it to new. people and and debunk things that are.

incorrect and look it's hard right. because a lot of people if if you go. down a conspiracy rabbit hole and you. really believe it you know all these. little data points and things you could. pull out and say well what about this. and it's hard but you know what doesn't. matter you still got to get in there you. got to have the debate you got to have. the conversation and sometimes you'll. win sometimes you'll lose but you got to. engage in that because that's the only. way you're going to change people one of. my favorite things when I go to these. like the politicon events like they used. to have uh people would come up to me. and tell me like I want to thank you. because you you took me out of going. down a very bad path and that always. felt so rewarding to me because you know.

I treat people like they're people and. somebody might be going down a bad path. and going towards down that pipeline. where they like some alt-right troll or. whatever and then it's like you know. what I watched you I thought you were. fair and how you debunked it and you won. me over and that's the way to do it. that's the only way to do there people. that feel alienated right and then. there's a group sort of accepts them and. so then they become captured by Their. audience or captured by the group that. they're a part of and then they say. things and lean towards things that this. group accepts that's exactly right.

there's a lot more that goes into this. just general human psychology that is. overlooked yeah you know and it's like. if you treat people like people and you. meet them where they are and you say one. of the biggest things is going hey you. know what I think on that one you have a. point that's a good point right. there other thing here's where I. disagree on this other thing let's talk. it out right and that makes people go oh. at least you're honest right like it's. funny I've always had like a love hate. relationship with Libertarians because I. love them they love me on certain issues.

when it comes to civil liberties when it. comes to War I love this Kyle guy man. he's right about everything but then we. get to economics it's total they totally. disagree with me and they're hardcore. Ardent capitalists and I'm over here. advocating for social democracy yeah and. but it's it's fair and it's good and. it's fun cuz we'll agree where we agree. we disagree where we disagree and let's. see what happens and so as long as you. keep that dialogue going I guess the. only caveat here is when you're dealing. with like a quote unquote bad actor you. know what I mean somebody who doesn't. even believe what they're saying but. they're just saying it that's a little.

different it's like well how do you deal. with somebody who they're not even. having a real conversation yeah you know. so that's harder when you deal with that. but I generally don't you think that the. more people there are like you the more. stuff like that becomes transparent I I. think so I like to think so I think so. for Discerning people and that's my qu. that that's my dilemma about conspiracy. theories and nonsense is that I do know. that some people get sucked into the Q. andon stuff and all the wacky [ __ ] but I. don't so if I don't why you tell like if.

I don't get sucked into Flat Earth and I. think it's funny if I watch a video why. why who are we protecting and why are we. protecting them in that manner where. we're suppressing something that doesn't. affect people who are Discerning and. intelligent yeah like you we're infanti. infantilizing people in a certain way. we're protecting them because you're not. smart enough to recognize that this is. nonsense or you're not diligent enough. to look at the the possibility that it's. nonsense and look at the alternative. perspectives and the arguments against.

it yeah and look I mean some percentage. of the population yes they're going to. they're going to end up wherever they're. going to end up and they're going to go. down some bad rabbit holes but again. that's the price of Freedom the question. is how do we limit that as much as. possible in an honest and open way right. that's the question and then there's the. question of people that are manipulating. these narratives on purpose in order to. get people to argue with each other yeah. well I've heard you talk about that many. times before fascinating well you said. the whole what was it the the biggest. Christian Facebook pages were not even.

20 of the top Christian Facebook pages. 19 of them are run by twirl Farms that's. amazing to me wild yeah but it makes. sense right I mean why wouldn't you do. that if you want to [ __ ] with these. people and rile them up and get them to. lose their faith in democracy and faith. in the system and faith in that's how. you do it and then also get them upset. about certain things and get them to act. and get them to do things yeah see and. that's a harder I don't know how to deal. with that problem like if I was running. Twitter I would know how to deal with. the problem of like like total spam you.

know what I mean and and people doing. like what you're saying like this isn't. even a real person a real thing like the. whole point is is trolling like I don't. know how to deal with that you I mean I. always look at a post now when I see. people getting angry at things I'm like. how many of these people are real people. and then you go to their page and you. you realize they have like five. followers or 10 followers and all these. posts and all these posts are very. specific to a narrative and you got a. very generic picture of this person like. how do I even know this is a human yeah. one of the things we learned from the.

Twitter files Lee Fong did some great. reporting of The Intercept um they the. US government asked for special status. for certain um accounts that would push. the narrative that they want to push so. it was like special status yeah so like. again it all goes back to algorithm like. we need to put this tweet in front of. more people can you help get in front of. more people they were asking Twitter to. do that and a lot of the stuff was like. anti-iran stuff yeah it was Pro Saudi. Arabia stuff it was trying to like you. know force a narrative that makes it. look like it's Grassroots you know like.

the Saudi there was a whole Saudi bot. issue one of the biggest investors in. Twitter was a Saudi araban I don't know. if it still is but one of the biggest. investors was a Saudi Arabian government. official and there was so there was a. huge bot problem with Pro Saudi. Bots the bot thing is so strange because. that was one of the main contentions uh. when Elon was buying it he when they. were saying 5% Bots and he was like how. did you determine that I think they. determined that by like a hundred. different pages and they went to 100. people's Twitter pages and they.

determined that five of them five% small. sample size type stuff yeah see I didn't. know if he was trying to do that to get. a better negotiating position because he. was saying if it's more than x. percentage I'm not going to buy Twitter. like they made the deal then he said. only if it's X number or less Bots right. prove it to me yeah he prove it to me. but I think what he was trying to do was. like. the number is going to be higher than. what you say it is therefore give me x. amount of a discount you know what I. mean like it could have been like a a. negotiating tactic I'm sure that was. part of it it makes sense it was part of. it but also you would like to know you.

know because we we brought up the fact. that there was a former FBI analyst who. went over Twitter and he he said he said. that the number of fake accounts could. be as high as 80% 80% yeah see if we can. find that oh Jesus Christ that's like. we're all Talking to Ourselves we're all. over there still you know there's. millions and millions of people that are. on Twitter so out of those millions and. millions of people 20% of them are. legitimately human beings but I mean if. you were a government or you were a. corporation or you were someone that had.

a vested financial interest in pushing a. narrative it kind of makes sense eight. in 10 Twitter accounts fake claims top. security expert as musk. laughs. yeah so if that is true that is. absolutely absurd yeah so this is it Dan. Woods head of intelligence at cyber. security company F5 who spent more than. 20 years with the US federal law. enforcement and intelligence.

organizations told the Australian that. more than 80% of Twitter accounts are. probably Bots a massive claim as Twitter. says only 5% of its users are Bots or. spam wow and then musk tweets uh sure. sounds like higher than. 5% yeah why tagging the article if I had. to take a guess as to what was fake I. would say between 10 and 20% if I had to. guess but that's totally anecdotal it's. based off my own personal experience. still a lot and if you weaponize that.

you could really shape a narrative and. get an argument going and also. disincentivize people you could. incentivize people to not talk about. certain things if they're getting. attacked yeah that's that's definitely a. real thing I mean I I do find it is. everything's always better face to face. yes always always always better face to. face even if on paper you guys disagree. totally I mean there are people who. agree with you who might [ __ ] on you. relentlessly if it's just on Twitter. through the computer and there's the the.

real problem of virtue signaling that. people say things specifically to try to. Garner likes it's like a natural human. reward thing yeah the holier than now. thing I mean they there's a lot of that. on the left where people be like I'm. Leti than thou and I'm more pure than. thou and I'm the only uncorrupted one in. the conversation. and like what are we even doing here. what is this yeah and they see people. getting a certain amount of positive. attention so they decide to chip them. down and attack them for their positions. it's really weird it's there's so much.

that's involved in that that's human. emotions and incentives and why they do. things and what what do they really mean. by what they're saying and how how many. people are just objective and they have. a a healthy understanding of their own. biases and why are they saying what. they're saying yeah. um it's a [ __ ] way to communicate it. well I mean I don't even do it anymore I. I told you this it's you know you helped. uh get me to this position but you know. back in the day I think everybody goes. through some point on Twitter where they.

engage and go back and forth and after a. while you're like you realize you feel. like the [ __ ] am I doing yeah I feel. like [ __ ] why am I doing this this is so. stupid somebody's saying you believe X I. know I don't believe X but I'm arguing. with you about what I believe what is. that and it could be over nonsense. nothing could be over nothing yeah it's. it's amazing how that affects people. psychologically and it's a lot of people. go through that even people big names. well-known they they'll just be fighting. on Twitter all day and it's like what. are you doing and it could be about. nothing like the other night uh in the.

Green Room me and Tony Hinchcliffe were. [ __ ] with Brian Simpson because Brian. Simpson is a Android user and uh we're. joking around about different I'm like. why do you like it so much and he's. explaining it's customizable all these. things that make sense and uh I go uh do. you have a flashlight like right here I. go watch this I press a button I got a. flashlight can you do that and he's like. well I could have a widget and this I go. no you don't have that you don't have. that I go do you have a button like that. right there where your camera pops up. you don't have that do you and then he's.

like oh and then I took a picture of him. and then I posted it on Instagram and I. said iPhone for Life Brian Simpson and. so immediately he was like oh man now. the comments the comments I go don't. read them so he starts reading them and. he's engrossed in the Android versus. iPhone argu in the comments and I see. him getting obsessed because he's Pro. Android so he's like ideologically. attached this idea that Android's a. better platform and so he's he's like. immersed in these arguments and so we.

were just joking about all night that. he's going to be up till 4 o'clock in. the morning reading comments Android and. iPhone like he might be it's weird. because I I like the freedom of being. able to go on Twitter in these social. media outlets and do whatever I want but. at the same time I know the meanwhile. it's a blurry ass picture too it's not. even a good picture well took it like. instantaneously as I I just wanted to. get cuz see the look in his face like uh. you know yeah yeah the but like so the. psychological effects of these online. fights it's got to be super negative but.

like I don't want to ban the social. media platforms but I do know that we'd. all be much happier if we didn't have. them but I believe in the freedom to go. on them and use them but it's like this. is [ __ ] we're all [ __ ] I mean that's I. feel like that says a lot about the way. the system works today right it's like. we all know certain things are terrible. for us but it's like well I do it how. many people feel good after online. arguments that's a really good question. some people live for it they live for. the [ __ ] I'm going to get in there. there is a certain personality trait. don't you think there's a certain. personality trait with some people where.

they're just [ __ ] stirs and that's how. they get their kicks right and it's. probably a minority POS tiny percentage. of the population but some people are. all about it and that's where they get. their dopamine Rush that's where they. get their little serotonin. kick such a [ __ ] up way to live yeah. it is yeah it is some weird social. maladjustment issue from when you were a. kid probably we're just not designed to. communicate in text is so much lost so. much context lost you you know you don't. know what the person's thinking and. saying you don't know who they are you.

don't know what their life is like you. don't know what their incentive are are. to say things like that yeah reading. that is an issue right reading text and. like just totally misinterpreting the. tone of it yeah you know what I mean oh. yeah damn this F this a [ __ ] dry ass. response like what this guy not like me. what the [ __ ] well I love a really sub. troll account there's some really subtle. troll accounts that are [ __ ] amazing. they're so just like so subtle yeah like. it it could be real but it's not I feel.

like there's a guy Nick Adams I want to. say his name is Australian guy he's all. he plays the role of like the super mega. dude and I'm super convinced it's a. troll I'm I'm 100% convinced but it's. it's right on that line though right. it's right there cuz there are people. that are like that that's what's nuts. you know like tsana mcgraph yeah that's. around Andrew Doyle which is a hilarious. guy who created this super woke crazy. leftwing character that people often. times retweet unknowing that it's parody.

yeah I mean I've seen fights over that. yes somebody says like is [ __ ] crazy. [ __ ] and then it's like this not real. yeah this isn't real did you see what. happened with this yesterday Aon Foster. did you this J story I know somebody who. fell for it I know somebody who fell for. it they were telling me about it say he. said that the the NFL gives him a script. before the season and they go over it. and it's a week-by-week breakdown of. what happens and whatever like the games. rigged yeah and he went super deep with.

the like how about it and they were just. playing like it was real the clip went. out and I got sent up by at least a. couple people that like see I told you. it was fake I'm like dude they're joking. AR Foster that's hilarious that he did. that he's F dud he went deep with it too. he went like really over the top but. somebody thought it was told was real. the NFL script people want it to be real. yeah that's like I will say though. talking about rigged Sports the NBA the. way the refs act super suspect well we. have had evidence very clear evidence.

that's right6 yeah that refs do get paid. off gambling stuff right and they rig it. and I mean LeBron James the past there. was like three or four games in a row. where every single game it was a [ __ ]. call and they lost as a result of it I. was watching the game the other night I. forget who playing but they straight up. they hacked his arm when he was going up. for a layup they just hacked his arm and. the ref didn't blow the whistle and if. he made that layup which he was going to. that was game and so then it went to.

overtime and the Lakers lost wow [ __ ]. crazy he was [ __ ] crazy he doesn't get. too emotional on the floor but after. that play he was [ __ ] he was livid as. a LeBron fan he gets very emotional all. the time well that one that was worse. than I ever saw him before it definitely. right orong it was a he laid on the. ground for like a minute afterwards he. was holding his head there's uh the uh. here's maybe the play I think they found. out that the referee and his family. apparently are a huge Boston Celtics. fans I don't know that's a conflict of. interest God do they have the slow-mo of.

it cuz on the slow-mo you see he gets. hacked his arm gets hacked but uh I mean. you can't tell from right here but he. does get fouled they didn't call a foul. they just said they missed it oh which. is bad a lot of people are betting on. these games they apologized being bet. now well that's crazy if the referee had. some sort of tie to the Celtic and. that's where that's where that going. online afterwards could be a a problem. because you can then find pictures and. make it seem like it and you can put a. narrative out there and it can get. Amplified very fast not everyone just. believes this narrative that maybe or.

maybe not this referee is a Celtics fan. and this family is a Celtics fan and. well there's biases like that and then. there's gambling which is even more. Insidious yeah but look whatever the. reasons are for this one we don't even. need to get into the intentions of the. refs because just the plain facts of the. matter are that was a [ __ ] call because. of that the lost the game and that's bad. enough you know what I mean like you. don't even need to go levels deeper than. that to be like you guys got to get your. [ __ ] together for the first time ever I. saw the the refs actually apologized. they released a statement the day after. I'm like yeah we s to [ __ ] this one up.

I've never seen that before and I think. that's because it was LeBron like. they're apologizing because they just. [ __ ] over the king and oo wow next day. it happened again in the NFL though. there's big controversy extra plays. given ending didn't happen the way maybe. the NFL wanted it to go so everyone. thinks they [ __ ] script well people. always think fights are fixed did you. ever see the uh Tyson Fury Deontay. Wilder controversy it's the dumbest. controversy but people were convinced. that Tyson Fury's gloves weren't.

attached properly and that he was. punching with gloves that like the glove. wasn't even attached to his fist that is. he was punching him with the uh the part. see that's that's not the best example. because that's a common thing that. happens when you punch someone your. wrist gets B backwards but what Tyson. Fury does if you understand boxing this. is a common thing the way he throws. punches he throws punches like this and. then he'll throw a hard punch so he's.

touching you and showing you things and. in the process of doing that if you look. at in slow motion his hand goes way back. and it will even look like the glove's. not attached and so he has these really. long ass arms and Knuckleheads were. thinking that his wrists were actually. in the wrapped area and so the wrapped. area is hard and no padding at all and. then he was hitting him with that and. Deontay Wilder saw these videos it's. like this guy cheated me he was hitting. me oh [ __ ] really yeah see if you can.

find was this the first or the second. fight that they had the second fight cu. the first one was close the second one. was not right right right well what. happened in the first fight was Tyson. Fury got knocked down and almost knocked. out in the 12th round but then came back. to win the round and the way he won the. round was was by putting Deontay Wilder. on his heels making him back up and then. he realized I believe from that round. and that approach that's the way to. fight Deontay Wilder because even though. he got knocked down the beginning of the. 12th round he wind up winning the.

remainder of the round and even had. Deontay hurt at one point in time I. think that that is what started it but. then in the second fight where he. overwhelmingly beat Deontay Wilder. Deontay came up with all these excuses. like he was wearing this thing it was. too heavy when he walked out and his. water got poisoned. and and Tyson Fury was cheating it was. all this it was terrible it's a terrible. look from a great fighter because he was. whether he had people in his ear or. whether he just was unsophisticated in.

his his analysis of what happened but. see if you can find the video where. people were using this as an example CU. if you look at it in slow motion it. looks like the Glo like look like if you. people were think see how his hand is. moving back like that mhm but that's. normal that is absolutely normal and. they were saying that the gloves weren't. actually attached and that see how he. was like punching him without hitting. with the knuckle that he was actually.

the knuckles were where the wrists were. but it's not it's just you're looking at. something in slow motion so it looks. weird and so the people that were you. know that thought about conspiracies too. much they thought that that was what was. going on you see how his his wrists are. moving on please explain what is Tyson. Fury's gloves they cheated bronze. brommer but I thought that first fight I. thought Deontay did win I thought that. uh Tyson Fury was down for the count but. the second fight there it wasn't even. close well he didn't win because Tyson.

Fury got up and the the the whether the. count was long count the the count was. long but it's not Tyson Fury's job to. get up at the correct 10sec Mark while. he just got rocked and dropped it's his. job to listen to the referee when the. referee says 8 nine and then he gets up. at 10 it might have already been 10 but. he doesn't know that so yeah but would a. different ref have done it differently. would a different ref say that's it. possibly well here's my take on it it. should have been a digital count and.

that digital count should start it. should be very clear and obvious to. everybody it shouldn't be up to the. referee to decide the pace of the count. another example of that is Mike Tyson. versus Buster Douglas when Mike Tyson. knocked down Buster Douglas he knocked. him down for more than 10 seconds no. [ __ ] this video has all four of them. synced up and what does it say. uh it just shows the knockdown and has. them see boom so Mike Tyson drops him or. excuse me um this is well that this is. actually they got all them all four of. them all four of them so's go at the top. one eight nine 10 Buster Douglas is down.

past 10 and then he gets up oh see and. this was uh argued by Don King after. let's see that again no [ __ ] yeah so. let's see the the Douglas one so Tyson. hits him boom down and now you see the. count three. four five 6 7 8 9 10 he's out Buster. Douglas was out he was out but it's not.

his job to know how many seconds are. going on it's his job to respond to the. referee's count the lack of objectivity. I like your point about using the clock. because the lack of objectivity drives. me crazy yes I don't want I want to. leave as little as possible up to. subjective interpretation you know and. so when you get a call egregiously wrong. it's like you got to change the rules to. make it so you don't yes and mean they. they should have a digital count where. it it with the whole audience could see. where when the guy goes down 10 second.

starts nine eight you should see it just. like that and that's the only way you. should do it you should never because. sometimes referees will go. one two and then they you know and then. they'll extend the count has there been. any history in fighting of like gambling. issues and. and is it just old school or is it new. also new there's a big controversy in. the UFC currently no [ __ ] yes one of the. there's one of the coaches this guy. named James Krauss who's a known Gambler. and he actually has a a gambling was it.

a Discord server and and one of his. Fighters there's a lot of like late. money that came in like strong money. against this fighter and the the guy it. turns out had an injury and threw a kick. and went down early in the fight and got. stopped and then he was suspended the uh. the coach is suspended no longer can. that coach referee or or can he train.

Fighters so anyone's a UFC fighter who. trains at his gym had to leave his gym. yeah and so it's it's a real big deal so. people were spended and then the UFC. banned gambling for any of its athletes. wow yeah I mean look I think any of the. train as well see that's the interesting. thing because on the one hand like I'm. I'm in favor of gambling being legal I. mean I don't think it should be illegal. but on the other hand it's like you do. introduce a whole new set of problems. when it comes to sports because now.

there's massive incentive to just let's. [ __ ] rig this I'll pay you $2 million. to take the fall you want that that's. life-changing money you know what I mean. and then you have a whole another set of. issues it's hard I don't know how you do. it and then you regulate it effectively. where you don't have issues like that. you know or is it just something that. we're never going to get rid of right is. it like you know like crime where nobody. can say oh let's abolish all crime it's. not possible right going to deal with. some level of crime is it the same thing. for cheating is there always going to be. some level of cheating because of. gambling I think there's going to be. always like people that want to try it.

but sunlight is the best disinfectant to. to be able to see it and know what's. going on and then to P penalize those. people but there's always been. accusations of bad judging and boxing. that's related to gambling related to. money related to bribes I mean it's been. from the beginning of time the mob has. always been involved in in organized. boxing and and telling people to take. Dives it was always a thing yeah um. speaking of Fighters we I met uh boss. rutin last night yeah he's the best and.

you know you said something a long time. ago and it really stuck out to me after. meeting him you said like Fighters are. the nicest [ __ ] people yeah because. there's no degree of insecurity that you. know they know they could [ __ ] up. anybody and so they're just sweet and. that's exactly all all of us myself. Corin and Crystal we were all talking. about that guy was so nice he's that's a. nice guy he's the best I love that guy. he didn't he moved to Texas too he's a. Texas guy now Corin was saying he looked. up his record he didn't know much about. him he looked up his record when we got. back to the hotel and he was like we. just met the [ __ ] Michael Jordan of.

UFC well he's without doubt one of the. all-time greats I mean I don't know if. you'd call him the Michael Jordan of the. UFC I think that you'd say that about. Jon Jones maybe but he's without doubt. one of the all-time greats I mean he was. a UFC heavyweight champion he was a king. of pancrace he you know he fought in. multiple organizations is universally. respected one of the the first Elite. Strikers to compete in MMA because in. MMA you had these guys that were like. really good at one thing or another.

thing but you know to to have a guy like. boss who came over who had that Dutch. kickboxing style and he was like an. intelligent animal that's how he fought. just like intelligent marauding. berserking guy who just destroyed people. he was an amazing amazing fighter so he. he did like the uh the Tyson style Blitz. cing of the of his opponent well he. [ __ ] a lot of people up that's for. sure Relentless power and just Super. Hyper aggressive like the Dutch are.

known for this Muay Thai style this. kickboxing style and they're some of the. greatest fighters in kickboxing history. have come out of Holland now you put a. guy like that up against a Jiu-Jitsu. expert well boss knows Jiu-Jitsu he. knows Jiu-Jitsu too yeah I mean he. submits guys too like the thing is like. boss was one of the first guys to. incorporate leg locks and no boss is a. very very well-rounded fighter I mean he. he could do everything but when you had. to stand with him you were in deep [ __ ]. he was just a really good Striker so now.

does everybody in the UFC know both yeah. everybody does now pretty much you still. have some Specialists that are really. good at standup but their. vulnerabilities are the ground you know. like uh Alex petta who's the UFC. middleweight champion is just an elite. kickboxer who's learning grappling but. his grappling is not nearly as good as. his striking but the problem is every. fight starts standing up and so when. you're standing up with him you're. dealing with one of the most dangerous. human beings on planet Earth and so just.

trying to get him on the ground is so. dangerous you got to get close to him. you're going to get hit with a knee or a. punch and and he's good at takedown. defense but he's not like an elite. wrestler he's not he's not the most. well-rounded fighter but he's the UFC. champion that's interesting though. because then that sort of undermines the. point a little bit that jiujitsu is the. main thing that's not real anymore no no. I I would say the main thing is to be. well-rounded and the main and some guys. are really good at just being a.

specialist like the guy he beat uh. Israel adna who was the middleweight. champion of the time is also a. specialist he's a specialist in. kickboxing so his specialty and [ __ ] or. and peta's Specialty were the same. specialty but peda is bigger and he had. knocked Israel out in kickboxing so that. was one of the reasons why it was such a. highly anticipated fight was because. everybody knew that stylebender Israel. adna is one of the greatest Strikers in. the world so for him to be fighting. another guy who's one of the greatest.

Strikers in the world everybody and a. guy who had already knocked him out. everybody anticipated like this is going. to be a wild encounter I always wonder. about about sides like that you remember. Bob sap and you remember uh Butterbean. sure like I just got the S and I don't. know anything about fighting but when I. look I just got the sense like this. guy's just so large that I feel like he. wins fights from being large well Bob. sap most certainly won some fights from. being large it's not that he didn't have. any skills he certainly was skillful but. he was also 375 lbs with abs just a.

mountain of a man yeah he was a walking. pharmaceutical Factory I mean and he was. also fighting in Pride back in the day. but that's not him at his best his most. fit you got to see him Bob sap look at. that that's him at his most fit look at. the [ __ ] size of that guy he was so. big I mean he was just enormous and. skillful I mean it he wasn't the most. skillful guy but he was very skillful. you go ahead but merco crocop who only.

weighed like 250 pounds knocked him out. in a kickboxing fight wow he broke his. eye socket with a straight left hand. yeah Jesus Christ do you remember uh. Kimbo Slice sure yeah Kimbo I when I was. in like high school there were these. huge like street fight videos of Kimbo. everybody watch [ __ ] somebody up bro. let's let's watch this those were crazy. those were crazy those backyard fights. and then he did the UFC for a little bit. right yes yes was he successful yeah he. fought in The Ultimate Fighter he did. pretty well um but he was a guy that was.

really lacking and grappling right and. by the time he got to the UFC he already. had [ __ ] up knees it was it was hard. for him to get better at grappling and. he W up being um a big fighter in this. uh organization called Elite XC that. they were doing for a while and until he. fought a really good fight he fought. this guy named Seth Petrelli and he was. supposed to be fighting Ken Shamrock. It's Kind of a Funny situation um. Shamrock apparently cut himself. accidentally like the day of the fight.

something happened I forget what it was. but pulled out of the fight and so they. had to fight Kimbo was the star and so. they had this guy Seth pretelli take. kimbo's uh place and I found out K. Shamrock Place excuse me take take Ken. Shamrock's F to to fight Kimbo. I found out about it in the Green Room. of the punch line I had just got off. stage in Atlanta and we were watching it. on the screen and I called it right away. I go oh my God Seth petrozelli is gonna.

[ __ ] him up I'm like this and so it's a. sixc knockout so it's me and there's a. video of me backstage going Seth this is. a terrible fight for Kimo Seth pet is. gonna [ __ ] him up watch and then set. petrozelli winds up knocking him out in. six seconds I'm like I told you see that. shows the between somebody with a lot of. knowledge about it versus somebody like. me SCE this is a last minute replacement. I got to think SE Seth PR always going. to [ __ ] him. up if I'm wrong you'll never see.

this so here [ __ ]. way this is the beginning of. fight oh my God you're [ __ ]. right oh what I say. holy. [ __ ] is a mother yeah so that was one of. those things where I was like oh there's. a there's a difference between a. backyard braw and an elite MMA fighter. the difference is pretty Stark yeah cuz. I like me and my buddies you know you.

watch those street fights and you're. like bro nobody could beat this guy up. this guy's a monster look a real fighter. yeah just and that's somebody who's just. more highly trained has better skill set. Kem Ken so he had a cut so he was he. sustained a cut from a headbutt during a. light workout sometime within the last. 24 hours in an interview on CBS Ken. sherar said the cut required six. stitches he said I was warming up. getting loose uh and caught a head and.

didn't think much of it so must have. headbutted uh next thing I know a couple. of drops are dripping from my head uh he. said he went to CBS uh went to look to. hopefully glue it together or something. but it needed six stitches we were. trying to figure out a way to do this. but we came down here and the commission. said we weren't going to let me fight. now Ken Shamrock was an actual fighter. but he also was in probably WWF back in. the day not even WWE yeah and then for a. guy like Kimbo I don't know if he ever. did like that kind of wrestling but he. he should have he would have. been did he do it at all Jamie did he do.

that article I pulled up said there was. talks of him going to it but you know he. wind up dying unfortunately he was a. great guy young right um he wasn't old. yeah did he die have a heart. attack I forget something along those. lines unfortunate great guy though and. what a personality and you know had the. balls to fight in the UFC I mean took a. chance and you know decided like the the. UFC said we'll hire we'll take you in. but we want you to go through the. ultimate fighter which is their Proving.

Ground so they have you know these guys. live in a house together and fight and. so and he won that yeah no no he didn't. win Ultimate Fighter no he wind up. losing to uh big country this guy Roy. Nelson who took him down got on top of. him put him in a crucifix and just. punched him in the face until the ref. stopped it it just was grappling wasn't. up to par but that's you know specialist. stuff yeah yeah um before we wrap up do. you want to you want to talk a little.

about the santis because I know you're. kind of a fan of him right well uh sure. okay yeah I'm kind of a fan of what he. did with Co I'm kind of a fan that he. looked at the reality of who the the. disease was hurting and he said we need. to protect our vulnerable people but we. don't want to destroy our economy and he. allowed people to make their own choices. and be and it turned out to be correct. now what's interesting I don't know if. you saw this the other day but Trump. started going after Dan santis on Co and.

he was saying like bro we shut down the. beaches bro yeah I know which is kind of. funny because Trump trump was involved. in at least partially shutting down the. country in a sense so he goes after the. santis over it well you know he's. playing politics you know yeah so so. that's that's your big thing that you. like about him is is he a little more. Live and Let Live on the on the co stuff. well he didn't take away people's. freedom and I felt like there was a lot. of people that were overreaching and. well certainly you were in La at the. time right exactly that was my response. because La was horrific in their well.

you said they' even banned outdoor. dining yes for no reason when there was. already no evidence no evidence and they. my friend who worked for the state who. worked in the well it's actually my. friend's brother who worked uh for the. state in their covid you know whatever. the [ __ ] [ __ ] it was whatever they. called that organization where they were. determining what the laws were he. brought up like why are we Banning. outdoor dining there's no evidence that. shows that it's transmitted that way and. the woman who was working with said it's. for the.

Optics shutting down all these. businesses in a time where they were. already struggling I mean California or. San Franc or I'm sure San Francisco as. well but La lost something in the. neighborhood of 75% of the restaurants. during this time that's crazy yeah and. then Newsome was caught at that. restaurant at the time that yeah they. said he wasn't even outdoor he was. indoor dining none of those people lost. any money by shutting people's. businesses down that's part of the. problem is that their financial. situation was unaffected by these.

decisions that they made and the. decisions that they made it was the. first time in my life where I realized. how important it is what your mayor and. your government do and when you have a. government and a mayor and a governor. that can decide to shut businesses down. arbitrarily. the places where people could be the. most healthy they they decided to do. these things that radically affected. people's lives and it turned out they. were wrong and that's what I liked about. Des santis that he looked at when they. opened up the state and he was being.

roundly criticized he said we have to. protect our most vulnerable we have to. protect our elderly we to get them. vaccines we got to do this but everybody. else you should be able to make your own. decisions yeah I I definitely understand. that aspect of it because when the data. came in on how different states were. affected it it seemed to be the case. that states that were a little bit more. LAX with those sorts of things far just. the same as the ones that were really. cracking down hard so I understand they. didn't Fair as bad economically they did. much better economically in those other.

states and I mean I also to his credit. he did the um monoclonal antibody like. free little clinics if you run into I. got to pee again unfortunately goad one. more then we'll wrap this up all're. we're already like three and a half. hours in right better yes it's good to. be hydrated but it's bad. when podcast I'm proud of myself that I. I peed less than Joe Rogan in the. podcast and you're the expert you're the. bladder person yeah well I did my blood. work recently and I found out I was. dehydrated so you got to drink more. water okay so I've been drinking a.

shitload of water yeah I feel like. that's actually common that people don't. drink as much as they should you know. what I mean that's generally I'm good. about it but this one time where I got. my blood work done I just left I didn't. even know I was going to get my blood. work done that day so I left from the. sauna and went there which I think. probably affected it absolutely for sure. no doubt about that but still it's. enough to me to go well I didn't even. know that I was dehydrated all right I. go to up my yeah yeah no that's for sure. right thing. anyway Dan santis so because I know you.

were also a fan of Bernie yes and. they're like Polar Opposites in terms of. the rest of their polies I'm a fan of. him for different reasons right yeah but. I know you said that you thought he. would make a good president and there's. a bunch of things about him that uh I. think would probably change your opinion. on it like for example he thinks weed. should stay illegal because it smells. bad is that really his opinion that it. smells bad he said it not know about Ed. putrid and he wants it to stay bad. because of that oh that's hilarious is. that really his his rationalization. Jamie if you want you can pull that up.

yeah that's what it says here but it's. legal in Florida or medically it says. marijuana should remain criminalized. because of its putur odor polling. compiled by the University of North. Florida showed that most Floridians want. the adult use of marijuana to be legal. in the Sunshine State certainly not the. case in fact under state law the. possession of up to 20 grams of cannabis. is punished by $1,000 fine up to year in. prison possession of Greater Amounts is. a felony so what do he said what I don't. like about is if you go to some of these.

places that have done it the stench when. you're out there I mean it smells so. putrid I want people to be able to. breathe freely well that's silly yeah. yeah but that's also like like I want to. know the context I I want to I want I. mean that's a quote. the smell of marijuana DeSantis demures. on marijuana legalization but can't. stand the Dank stank well okay you don't. have to like the. smell you know I mean I mean that.

doesn't necessarily mean that's why he. wants it illegal he just doesn't like. the smell a lot of people don't like the. smell but it's not legal there. recreationally right not yet no not yet. no no it not legal here either would he. sign the bill is the question you know. and it seems to me like he would cuz cuz. he's a social conservative by and large. you know like that's his perspective. another one is he uh they had a vote in. Florida a direct vote on raising the. minimum wage during the 2020 election. and so Trump won the state but 60% of.

Florida voters voted for a minimum wage. increase they wanted to make it 15 and. leading into that Dan Santa said don't. do that I'm against doing that did he. have a. rationalization uh I mean I didn't see. if he did but just the fact he's against. it was a strike against him in my. but it did the voters voted for it and. that is the law so because they had the. direct vote and I don't know if he has. any legal recourse so it's becoming law. but he told them don't don't vote for it.

so that was a big issue because I know. you're a fan of legal weed you're a fan. of raising the minimum wage um he's also. a big Wall Street guy I mean a lot of. these Republicans you don't have to look. too far under the surface to find out. they're all playing the same game game. he took 20 million from Wall Street he. did uh $ 5.7 billion do in tax cuts and. giveaways to corporations apparently 99%. of companies in uh Florida pay no. corporate income tax so it's one of the. states that corporations go to sort of. you know it's a a field day over there.

um and remember he was feuding with. Disney remember when he was feuding with. Disney and he was like you know you guys. are [ __ ] woke and this has got to. stop but he let them keep a $578 million. tax break at the same time and at at. that same time he also did a$1 billion. do tax hike on on regular Floridians. with a a new sales tax well the the. amount of business that Disney must be. bringing into Florida is insane right I. mean they own Orlando which is all the. reason they don't need more of a subsidy.

right like let them [ __ ] it they'll. they'll be able to swim they're not. going to sink like let him let him be. what do you think that is do you think. there's just some Financial chicanery. some behind the scenes I think if you're. the governor of Florida and you know how. big Disney is you might talk a game. every now and then of like yeah we don't. you know we don't like these guys or. whatever they're too woke but when push. comes to shove I don't remember what. that was in regard to the woke thing I. don't recall it was a very specific. instance yeah I don't I don't either I. don't remember it either but there was a. there was he had a big fight with them.

but ultimately he gave them their tax. break uh and then the other thing is so. there's a big sugar cane industry in. Florida and they lead to a lot of. pollution because they do these things. called burn Fields it's part of like the. the process involved with uh the sugar. cane and um. he came in and shielded them from any. legal accountability so people can't sue. them over that yeah so and the Florida. Republican party took a. $350,000 contribution from the sugarcane.

industry and then in turn he protected. them from legal liability and when. you're saying pollution there's. particulates in the atmosphere because. of the burning yeah they say that. because of those uh sugar cane burn. Fields there's increased risk of cancer. and red tide have youever heard of red. tide in Florida that's the ocean red. tide yeah there's some weird ocean red. tide thing apparently the sugar cane. burning of the sugar cane helps lead to. that as well along with like you said. the particular matter which could lead. to.

cancer the the burning of it that's like. a common agricultural approach right. where they they do they do that to sort. of uh revigor eyesee the that's not a. word but reinvigorate the um the soil. right the top soil is that what they're. doing I mean there's some industrial. reason why they do it but I think there. was conversation around hey we got to. regulate this we have to make it uh you. know we got to lower the cancer rate we. got to lower the red tide we got to. figure this out and there's a direct. correlation between those Burns and. cancer cancer instances yeah there's a.

lot of health problems around those. things. yeah yeah so there's there's uh he's. he's quite the opposite of Bernie I. think he's very he's he's an. establishment Republican who's good at. PR basically I think he's positioned. himself so there's there's two parts to. politics there's politics and there's. policy on the politics front I think. he's actually plotted his way around. brilliantly where you know he is the air. parent to Donald Trump and there's a. chance he could even beat Donald Trump. in a in a Republican primary um and.

honestly I think any Democrat should. fear him over Trump in a general. election I think even half dead Joe. Biden can can defeat Trump again given I. do yeah yeah well to see the problem is. Trump has siloed himself off and he's he. can't shut up about the 2020 election. it's rigged it's stolen it's you know. and it's he comes across as whiny and. the Republicans under his leadership got. wiped out in the 2018 midterms they got. wiped out in the 2020 uh main election. and they got wiped out in the 2022. midterms well people either love him or. they hate him and I don't think there's.

as much polarity when it comes to D. that's right disantis has a much better. chance of gaining back some of the. moderates that kind of fled yeah when. they just want conservative economic. policies right yeah and so uh so I think. he's a he would be a good General. election candidate but in terms of how. he governs it would be George W bush it. would be George H W bush it would be. Trump it'd be all the same stuff tax. cuts for the wealthy super serve Wall. Street keep the military-industrial. complex.

going who do you like if Biden drops out. uh the only person I'm interested in at. the moment is Maryann Williamson because. there's some chatter about she might. primary Joe Biden and I would love that. because look the problem with Biden. there's a lot of problems with Biden but. like ideologically the problem is he has. no Grand Vision right like there is no. here's what I'm trying to do here's what. I'm trying to get to here's the ideal. it's very like I call him a status quo. manager it's like I'll do some tweaks. around the edges here and there we'll.

make some things a little bit better. here and there but he's also dead right. like he's a zombie yeah and then you. have Maryann Williamson who I think she. she is would run in the spirit of FDR. she would say we got to go back to the. Democratic party used to be the workers. party it used to look out for people and. we need to get back to that so we need. to do things like Universal healthare we. need to do things like Universal. education we need to have higher wages. and and that's more my politics so right. now she's the only one I'm interested in. there's a decent chance that she. challenges Biden and I think that'll be. interesting for this reason um poll show.

over 60% of Democrats are like we we. don't we're done we're done with this. yeah we got to come on we got to move on. from this what do you do you buy into. this idea that that's one of the reasons. why they keep finding these classified. documents oh. see I I think it's incompetence to be. honest I think you have a it's a it's a. fun Theory like it's interesting to. think about right um but I think the. Democratic establishment kind of. realizes that they need him because KL.

is worse yeah Comm I think wild wild. right K is worse mayor Pete is worse. these are people who are more unpopular. than Biden they would rather take a half. dead Joe Biden then take one of those. and roll the dice what about. Nome Nome so is plotting like he wants. to run but he would never primary Biden. he's a good little Democrat and he'll. fall in line and go through the process. and he'll think 2028 is my time that's. what he'll think but you know a lot of. these people are secretly waiting in the. wings for Biden to croak and then he.

would step absolutely absolutely it. could happen and then then Newsome would. run in 2024 so but he's he's trying to. you know he's starting to Edge his way. in there which and again for him I think. he he would have a better chance than AA. or A Pete but I still think he's he's. got the slimy politician feel to it. there's a lot of stuff to pick apart in. his record as you accurately pointed out. I mean there's just look this is the era. of the outsider it's the ER of the. outsider Trump ran as an outsider he won. right Biden was the return to normal guy.

like okay Trump's guy's getting a little. crazy let's go back in this direction. but it's still the era of the outsider. there's people still want something. fresh something different something from. outside of the political system to come. in and bring about real change it's not. like politics used to be where it's like. if you're the most buttoned up if you're. the most clean if it's your turn then. it's your turn now it's more like holy. [ __ ] this is [ __ ] crazy all hell's. breaking loose let's get some people. with good ideas in there who are. actually. smart all right well listen man it's. always a pleasure talking to you brother. enoy very much uh tell everybody how.

they can consume your program so both. programs Spotify I'll say first of all. SP everybody check out the Kyle kinsky. show it is on Spotify check me out over. there I'm with uh Joe over on Spotify. it's fun uh YouTube is secular talk. youtube.com/ secc talk and then we also. have Crystal kyin friends over on. substack where crystal ball and I this. is my Spotify page here crystal ball and. I uh do a show together we do an. interview show together and we bring. people on and we talk to them people are. interested in um and that's on substack. you guys are doing a live show in Austin.

correct yeah so we have the Paramount. Theater tomorrow night and I think we're. sold out we might have a maybe a couple. tickets left but you know if you're in. the Austin area come to the Paramount. theer tomorrow they're going to get this. tomorrow so that would be Friday. February 3rd so it be tonight yes. tonight so it's going to be myself Sager. uh Crystal and then Marshall and it'll. be fun we got some stuff we're lined up. for a debate we enjoy sparring going. back and forth on some stuff beautiful. you know so all right brother thank. appreciate you always always good to see.

you all right bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].