Joe Rogan Experience #1833 - Tim Kennedy

[Music]. your comedy your uh stand up was the. first time the first one i've been to in. probably 10 years oh with the vulcan. yeah yeah that's a great place dude. yeah it's a fun little spot yeah the uh. everybody was cool. it it's weird that it's on sixth street. but yeah. yeah my place is too we up.

um yeah it's uh sixth street is a unique. spot yeah it's uh they're get they're. doing some stuff to try to you know. clean it up a little bit and they got. rid of that homeless. situation there was like a crazy. homeless encampment that was really. close to that. to get rid of that so. austin's unique place there's a lot of a. lot of wild [ __ ] in this town. yeah amazing stuff and really weird. stuff yeah yeah it's a great combination. though and it's a great size you know. you were one of the people that early on. got me thinking about austin because you.

were always ranting about it and how. great it is i should have kept my mouth. closed she should have kept your mouth. shut because you came here everybody i. just they're like hi where's joe had oh. just moved to austin i was like you shut. your mouth. we're on a flight last night coming back. and uh the southwest person who. obviously lives in austin. uh they stopped in austin then flew to. san diego and he's like can everybody. that that is going home to visit in san. diego please stay like he said that over. the intercom on the south southwest. flight and i was like i like this guy.

well. it's a it's like the secret's out but. the barrier to entry is high it's hard. to move to a new city it's a lot and. then on top of that it's hard to find a. [ __ ] house here yeah everybody i know. that finds a house here they get outbid. like you gotta bid more than the house. costs it's like they're making this. little sneaky move where like save the. house if it's listed for 500 grand you. got to offer six yeah because if you. don't someone is going to do that and. then you're not going to make it i've. been trying to buy land and i i keep i. mean and i'm i'm coming in high well.

over and then you know still losing out. the realtor's like yeah somebody from. california just paid cash and came 30. percent over [ __ ] yeah it's it's wild. out here and they're they're building. out here like crazy too like when you. get out towards like round rock and. you know out in that area there's just. constant. construction yeah i'm in cedar park. that's where our headquarters is and. that used to if you're in austin cedar. park was like the absolute hillbill. north. and now it's just north austin yeah just.

everything is just slowly still so small. yeah in comparison to la every time i go. back to la i'm like [ __ ] this. how did i live here yeah i'm so much. more relaxed here. unfortunately we're talking about it. again we're [ __ ] up dang it. you look good thank you thank you. healthy working out training yeah a lot. yeah grappling no i'm trying to heal a. knee i have a knee issue right now. that's uh i was uh working out and doing. some muay thai and i just.

even though it hurts i still kick with. it yeah and then it was starting to. swell and so now i've been going to. break him at ways too well and getting. it shot up dude he's he's he's great. he's great weighs too well is awesome. right now it's good doesn't hurt at all. so i'm going to give it a couple of. months and really do all the knees over. toes stuff and try to rehabilitate it. without getting an mri because i don't. want to know what's going on in there. yeah i just did six months of that. program yeah yeah. and uh it makes a big difference oh my. god yeah yeah it's not fun though it's. all the parts i'm fun um.

it's obviously mobility and you're. you're focusing on circulation into the. knee. um so. it's not good for the ego it's not fun. for the ego because the weight that. you're doing for the squats in that. style of squatting to have your knees. over your toes is way less than if i was. going to be a meathead and go and squat. you know doing the lunges it's trying to. get that. deep deep forward lunge to get the knee. all the way over the toe and then all. the sled pulls and all the slip pushes. and she's like god lee can i just.

do some athlete things you know i know. it's healing so i'm gonna be a better. athlete but it's still not fun it does. change it remaps your knee it really. does it changes the structure like it. doesn't feel as loose anymore everything. feels like more rigid and strong and. secure. i just i'm avoiding i have uh. i've had meniscus taken out of this knee. and i'm i'm worried about you know. cartilage damage. and that's what i'm worried that this. this injury is because it's just it's. strangely. like sharp yeah and not getting better.

and so i'm hoping that. stem cells. and that's that's the combo well what. i'm really yeah that'll i'm hoping. that'll do it but i just have to not be. a meat head this is what i do i get the. stem cells i feel pretty good after four. weeks start crushing the bag again and. then you know i kind of aggravate it one. more time yep. i have uh the the match that i'm on. right now. a level of killer that i've never. imagined existing in. names that i didn't even know.

and uh the donahue death squad oh yeah. yeah with everybody that came here the. day and everybody's training at roka. right now that's right too right yeah. that's cool shout out to roka yeah they. uh rob's been really rad. three workouts a day on those mats. that's amazing and um so cool yes you. know you have oh this this guy's a. two-time olympic. gold medalist what's up you know hey. satoshi. and as he mauls me um like we're in the. cage right here on it and satoshi is. just beating me up and then roy mcdonald. getting ready for this fight get beating.

me up you know gsp is traveling in and. then obviously like gordon and. the shanje ribeiro team at six blades. not but three miles away you have the b. team with craig jones so like one. through twenty yeah the best grapplers. on the planet are in austin and uh check. matt guys are here so yeah. gracie's the only fan factory they're. [ __ ] crazy attack it kids and it's. amazing how many good grapplers are here. in this town also amazing a lot of them. yeah yeah it's it's amazing eddie bravo. is thinking about coming here too.

he just doesn't want to like overcrowd. it because there's already a tenth. planet right here yeah but every time he. comes he's like [ __ ] i want to come here. yeah there's room i think so too there's. [ __ ] two million people that's plenty. of room yeah i mean give or take 10. miles you can open a new gym yeah yeah i. think so too. and there's there's a lot of spots you. know especially if you want to head. towards dripping and you know that area. drippings open i just opened my gym uh. in cedar park so you know there was. 10 miles.

sanjay ribeiro is the closest you know. kind of big gym and uh the six blades. and that was on 183 so he was you know. it's a 20 minute 15 minute drive to him. nobody's gonna. right somebody over there is going to. pick that gym somebody over here is. going to pick this job this is enough. for everybody out here there's enough. for everybody tell me what you're doing. with sheepdog like what is your sheepdog. response courses what are those. the. in light of everything that's been. happening i mean i've been screaming. from. every building i can get on that you. know we need to prepare america for what.

is happening now and so sheepdog. response like the company mission. statement is to train and equip people. to preserve and protect human life. with that in mind we do everything from. fighting shooting. and medical to try and make sure. everybody that comes to those courses. teachers law enforcement all of them get. the basic fundamentals of really the. things about saving life. and um we have been i mean sheepdog. response we have i think 180 or 210.

courses this year and if you go to the. website right now it's like sold out. sold out so like i can't. i'm not going to lower the quality of. training because everybody needs to know. the right things as we look at uvalde. and the lack of training and uh the. response and the broken systems and all. the things that went wrong in there uh. you know i'm like god why you know like. i. i literally teach every single day what. the answer is to all of this and. you know you can only train so many. people in a year. but i think it's it's you definitely can.

only train so many people in a year and. it's also taking a long time for people. to come to grips with the the only. solution is like you have to be able to. protect yourself. yeah well i mean there's that's the. responsive reactive side of it. and which is really important you know. we have to make our schools hard targets. we have to get individual. individuals to be responsible and be. able to protect themselves like our our. basic entry course for. teachers and for everyone it's called. protector it's protector one course and. we shoot.

we fight um how to keep blood in the. body you know like tourniquets uh. packing wounds and then. the biggest part is situational. awareness and that's all preventative. actions um where i see something that. could be going wrong. uh. but. i'd prefer to go upstream to the root. cause of what is causing some of this. violence you know mental health and. these broken young men um. and and try to fix the individual so we. don't. we have to do all these things with our.

schools you know i. have been writing non-stop since since. these last shootings have been happening. you know and like the four d's about how. to make a school a hard target um what. are the four d's. you have detection um denial entry you. have deterrence and then you actually. have defend so of those things. identifying what a problem is. and uh trying to deter from the outside. limited entry um. you know how our headquarters are set up.

it's difficult to get in here it doesn't. look like a place i want to try and get. in the you know the the bushes are the. landscaping's in a way where i'm not. going to have access to the windows you. know like there's in my building when. you come to the front door and you get. let in you're in a kill box you know you. get led into a lobby and in that lobby. you can't get past the lobby and in the. lobby there's somebody that will let you. into the next room. and uh. you're stuck there and unless somebody. lets you in. you know the defend is obviously. the last course of action where teachers.

or law enforcement. are going to be protecting their kids. there's lots of different solutions to. that they have. cameras that can have pepper balls in. them. you know lasers that can blind people. but. ultimately it's the individual that has. to be trained to be able to protect. those children. and in that like preventative model of. going upstream to fix the problem we. could concurrently we can do two things. at once right like we can make our. school harder targets and we can train.

teachers and we can get law enforcement. to respond correctly while we start. talking. really about what is causing. these young men to be broken. so what do you think we can do about. that because that without that. you know people think guns are the. problem and this is the narrative that. we keep hearing we need gun control but. there's more guns than there are people. so it's not necessarily a gun problem. because the vast majority of people the. vast vast vast majority would never. [ __ ] do anything like this it's a.

very very very very small amount of. people that are deranged and broken and. would do something like this. so how do we address that that is the. issue it's a mental health issue yeah. but it's a bunch of things that we that. nobody wants to talk about you know. we're gonna be throwing throwing stones. um hollywood video games um social media. you know it's. more divisive than ever on social media. you know you get in this echo chamber. with your own ideas and those echo. chambers and they're crazy ideas. sometimes when you're able to curate and. editorialize the feed that you get back.

so they're only people like if i'm. following if i'm struggling and i'm just. following um angry hate rhetoric and. that is just building and so my thoughts. are then magnified and and. compounded by other people reaffirming. my own belief system and in the at in in. the. algorithms then they put in something. that then enrages me so it's like biased. confirmation bias confirmation bias. confirmation oh and then here's. something for me to interact with. because they want us to interact so you. know the more emotionally driven we are.

in social media the more we participate. in it and the longer that we're on it so. those algorithms are really just. dangerous that's one hollywood where. you know i love matthew mcconaughey and. i love his position and i love him as an. actor and i love what he had to say and. i love that he wants to protect schools. and children you know but like how many. movies has he been in where he had. people on their knees and he executed. him in the face there you know you you. can't be on this moral high ground and. then be a hypocrite.

so if hollywood is perpetuating. you know i i've never let my children um. practice putting somebody on their knees. and shooting them or watching him has he. really done that in a movie yeah what. movie has he done it was that guy richie. movie oh yeah though that was just yeah. one of many examples yeah you know he's. he's an action star and he's a great. actor and and not and and i really love. what he had to say and how we all do. have to come together and find solutions. you know but if like liam neeson is out. there being.

you know hey we should get rid of guns. but i'm gonna take the next 10 million. dollar contract for netflix to be in the. next action film and my kill count is. going to be 110. oh man i don't right i. don't know if you can be in that. position of moral authority to talk to. me about what you should be doing with. firearms yeah you don't hear keanu. reeves talking about what we should do. about firing oh he's a great example of. somebody that you know morally and. ethically really walks the the line of. of truth and integrity and he's john. wick yeah i mean you'd have to shut the. [ __ ] up kill somebody with a pencil he's. like.

that's amazing i mean he's killed people. with everything yeah in those movies. music. video games all of those things but the. video games one is an interesting one. because there's arguments that video. games actually. squash the feelings that people have of. violence because they allow people to. have like a cathartic release. through doing these things yeah and then. there's arguments that they desensitize. people and i don't know which ones are. correct. i mean i i used to play video games a.

lot when i was fighting you know it was. is as you know i'm not somebody that can. not. do things so i'm not good at just. sitting still yeah sitting still so. recovery for me in between workouts you. know greg jackson would lock me out of a. gym like you know you can't train five. times today tim like get out so i would. have to do something um and you know. he'd be like no don't walk the sandia. mountains you know like don't go up the. trail can you just do something so he. was trying to just get you to recover. from the training routine yeah yeah so. like video games was a way that i could.

just sit there throw on you know. the. pressure cuffs on my legs or ice. something while i would sit there and. relax and what kind of games would you. play i loved first person shooters you. know um the call of duties yeah and uh. but being a shooter and having you know. obviously been in combat a bunch of. times. it was artificial. it didn't i still wanted to go out and. shoot you know. shooting definitely and training and dry. firing and practicing is.

that cathartic process like really. scratches that itch of wanting to drill. and train what i experienced was. afterwards i actually had more like. pent-up energy you know because i'm. doing like these all these intense. things but it's this artificial. experience. that. i mean like jerking off compared to. going with your partner and having an. amazing intimate experience. two totally different things i hate the. term partner. thank you we've talked about this yeah i.

just was not a partner i was yeah tell. the story oh man so i'm in new york. last week on the book tour i walk into a. coffee shop. and we're like right off times square. and um i walk in and i ask the barista. for an oatmeal cappuccino which is my. favorite beverage and my wife i asked if. she could have a cafe au lait with oat. milk and the barista and i say it just. like that. i'll have a oatmeal cappuccino please my. wife would like a cafe olay.

and my wife is really shy and and. doesn't even like to talk to people she. doesn't know to include you know people. at a restaurant so she often times like. can we order for me so i wasn't man. answering for her i was like as a. feminist. yeah she did. and the lady corrected me calling her my. wife and. said you mean partner. no no. this is my wife this is my wife and uh. she would like a cafe au lait please. just bonkers imagine how crazy you have. to be to talk to a grown man and tell.

him to not call your wife your wife. that there is a correct way to announce. her. i didn't know i think he's a partner so. you should do that too i know yeah. that's so that's the young people today. they're out of their [ __ ] mind that's. what i'm worried about these poor [ __ ]. that are stuck in the fog of woke that. are just trapped in these universities. and they get out and they exist in these. weird bubbles like la or new york in. particular and they're dangerous well. they're just nuts they just they think.

that that's how you're supposed to be. i mean imagine correcting someone if. they said my partner like imagine if you. say i'll have a cappuccino and my. partner would like a tall black coffee. oh you mean your wife yeah. now that's my [ __ ] i said partner. that's the word i like i like partner. i'm gonna use that one yeah imagine. correcting someone there you'd be just. as gross i couldn't imagine it's just so. dumb like what do you give a [ __ ] what. he's caught you know what it is it says. he's married to that lady. he said wife that's how you say it.

forever so i'll literally do whatever. she wants and that's how she'd like to. be referred so jesus christ people are. nuts but does the idea that somehow or. another it's better to say partner than. wife why would it be better gender. neutral what the [ __ ] it's a woman yeah. you're married to a woman women are. still okay it's still okay to be a woman. especially this one she her still all. right you can still have that in your. pronouns your twitter bio. [ __ ] amen i'm learning how all of it. works still i don't get it i don't think. anybody knows it and it'll change it'll. change with the tide it'll it'll turn.

and it'll go down a new road soon and. you know we'll we're all going to be. identified as animals we're all going to. be fox can. i i'm not ready for it i'm not ready for. any of this i don't understand why. anybody would think that it's okay to. correct you that that doesn't make any. sense i i completely understand i don't. like it when men say this is my partner. i mean like it's your [ __ ] wife man. it's okay to. be married it's okay to say wife it has. been a. non-stop attack on you know the.

vernacular verbiage that we use yeah you. know and it's in in every forum in every. in every opportunity you know in twitter. like on instagram it's it's telling you. it'll like populate sometimes ask you. like would you like to add your your. pronoun or. uh it's like i don't care sure yeah i. don't whatever you just have to tell me. how it works i just don't know why it's. so important all of a sudden. wow i think it's just transgender. representation i get that and i you know. it's a very small percentage of the.

people and those people deserve love and. respect for sure and i'll fight for them. everywhere i can i get all that but. don't put that on me i don't i've never. needed to say my [ __ ] pronouns look. at my beard i'm a man. let's move this shaved head yeah look at. this i'm a 220-pound ape there's no. question let's move on. let's move on. you could be whatever you want but leave. me the [ __ ] alone yeah the. and i. i've spent most of my adult life kind of. protecting.

groups of people that can't protect. themselves yeah so i i totally. sympathize and and am empathetic to. trying to to protect. everybody and their beliefs yeah you. know but. but it also stops where you are like you. don't get to project that belief onto my. beliefs because i have my own beliefs. you don't need to protect my beliefs i. can protect my own beliefs but um you. know let's just yeah stay over here i. think it's a small amount of people that. are doing it but the problem is it's. like it undermines the all the good will. that people have towards like these.

group of progressive minded folks. it's the small amount of people that. want to come force compliance they want. to force people to behave and think a. very certain way yeah i mean back to. mental health i think. with. shooters you see a reoccurring theme you. know you see broken nuclear families. these these young broken men are missing. missing serious masculine elements of. who they are when you look at them and. i'm profiling i'm i'm generalizing here.

uh you see. a very similar young man every single. time. he's he's weak he's frail and he's. broken there's nothing more dangerous. than a broken. not. healthy masculine figure you know. testosterone's a beautiful thing and one. of the one of the great things about the. military is they you know they enhance. and they build. all of this kind of ability to do. very. efficient violence you know but but they. also show you how to control it and how. to management and and the vertical of.

the chain of command and when is. appropriate you know here's your rules. of engagement so it's very controlled. and by the. by this process this arduous refiner's. fire of shaping. a a human into a weapon that you have a. healthier thing you have this healthy. beautiful masculine thing. that uh is very very different if you. look at me and all of you know my. friends in the special operations. community like these are healthy great.

men that love their wives and they love. their children and they love america and. they and like the warrior society and. the warrior culture. um. is like this nice balance of you know. they're they're fit they they get great. night sleep they are very good at. violence i mean jordan peterson you know. himself said. the uh like a good man isn't a useless. man a good man is one that is capable. and strong and powerful but knows how to. control it yeah and i couldn't agree.

more and when you look at these these. young broken men. you see the same trend over and over. again and they are missing these. important moments that shape them as men. and then they have testosterone and they. have strength and they have violence and. they've never known how to channel it. you had martial arts i had martial arts. i had the military we had really healthy. ways to burn that kind of growth and. learn. you know getting our asses beat on the. mat and learn discipline yeah yeah.

yeah it's uh. the the in-cell of the world and the the. that's black coffee yeah oh yeah the. incels and the people that. you know just never have these. experiences where they learn how to. channel their aggression and learn how. to harness their discipline and learn. how to to be a [ __ ] man it's an issue. it's a real issue and this whole i think. you know there's like. it's it's become a disparaged term like. to be a man yeah but that's that's a.

really important thing to learn how to. be like when you see someone who holds. their [ __ ] together and stays calm under. pressure and you like wow you you admire. that person that that's to be admired. yeah it is a thing it's an important. thing it's just we are so goddamn. comfortable in this country and we're so. accustomed to it and it's been. accentuated by the comfort that people. experience from being able to talk [ __ ]. on social media so this very distorted. perception of what's acceptable in terms. of how to communicate with other humans.

it's weird. i was in ukraine a week ago. and the men there have been. hammered for resistance you know being. on the border of russia obviously. they've they've known what was coming. for for. a generation and um they have been. training. relentlessly for the past 20 years and. the young men that you could walk down. the streets of kiev and maripool neapro. and there is not a fat human in sight. you know there is not a um.

just. a complacent human anywhere to be seen. every single person there has is has. been hardened not just in body but also. in mind and then you know i flew from. there to amsterdam amsterdam direct back. to l.a or back to austin which is cool. that we have a direct to amsterdam now. and uh i lan the moment the plane lands. i get off i take five steps out of. the the gate. and i'm like ah. i'm back in america there's just like.

weak. people everywhere. so so many so many sloppy people here. and if you if you bring that up you're. fat shaming. yeah i don't get that either. shame it only listen there's there's. things that you have no control over. like literally no control over like to. shame someone for a disability is a. horrendous act it's a horrendous thing. to do but to shame someone for slavin. slovenly behavior for things that they.

have a choice about yeah that's actually. probably good for them especially when. they're bad it's a bad choice that will. negative negatively affect us like my. insurance rates are very very high. because my insurance has to pay for a. lot of unhealthy people you know. obviously kova just like went rampant. through the community of unhealthy. people yeah you know like i changed. nothing about my life i still worked out. every single day i still went to the gym. every single day i still flew in the. helicopters everybody texted me when you. got it you're like i finally got it. it was like and i was almost two years.

in and and it took i'm not gonna tell. you how i got it but um it was really. hard for me to get it and i it was when. i finally i was i was really excited and. you're not gonna tell me how you got it. no because because i'll get somebody in. trouble. um but it was by the time you got it. though it was already omicron yeah which. i got and i literally had for one day i. was positive for a day the worst had the. real one the delta yeah and you know. that was only three days. i was positive for five days i felt sick. for like four hours i hadn't slept in. two days i was working on the border.

that's how it always is right yeah and i. was working and then i came back. and i was like is this is it because the. border has like this moon dust all along. the the del rio river and uh so i was. like is this just because i was outside. you know running and chasing people so. like is this just moon dust in my. sinuses or do i feel like crap and i. kind of had like a headache. and i never lost my taste to smell or. smell and and uh i was like i'm gonna. take a test and i got a positive like oh. my god yeah i got it and uh and then i.

put on a sweatsuit and i got my assault. bike and i i burnt a thousand calories. in an hour which was pretty rad and then. i came in and the worst part of the. whole experience was like i went to my. wife and i was like well i don't have to. go to work for a couple of days what are. you doing and uh she's like you you. are you insane you literally have. combined yeah you literally have. coconuts like but uh. is it anyways then i trip then she got. mad at me well that's how it goes didn't. work out so since we've talked last on. the podcast you have been.

well let's go all the way back to. afghanistan because you were there yeah. um oh god indeed. you were there. during the worst of it when the pull out. was happening yeah. so. yeah. with 20-something deployments overseas. i've never seen anything like. afghanistan during the fall of. afghanistan. i don't know. who was. at a strategic level.

not anticipating that the taliban every. time that we moved an inch on the ground. that the taliban would not move an inch. on the ground. so. every my myself and all of my peers all. my colleagues. uh fully forecasted what was going to. happen so as soon as we started. collapsing that exte. that that ground there is no doubt in. any of our minds that every every inch. of ground that we gave up was ground. that the taliban was going to take so we. gave up you know kandahar and bagram the. two strategic military bases that means.

that we just gave up the rest of the. country. and um. we. having been at war there for 20 years. and you know multiple trips over there. we have lots of friends that deployed. with us there you know afghans the. afghans have a special operations unit. called the commandos we worked alongside. them um our interpreters are obviously. from afghanistan so. they live in afghanistan but they work. for us. these people have security clearances. they love the idea of democracy and.

freedom they love the idea of a free. independent. afghanistan they want their daughters to. be educated and. those. ideals that philosophy does not align. with the taliban. so as taliban start taking over. afghanistan our my phone just starts. exploding from all of my friends and. asking me to go contracting companies. saying hey i'll pay you 10 grand a day. to go grab this guy. but none of it was.

altruistic you know like none of it was. um the right call to action it was lots. of people. yes it was going to go and save life but. it was it was for money. and uh and and i was just waiting for i. don't know what i was waiting for i i. wasted two days trying to figure out. what is the right thing to do here. until my phone rang i was in the middle. of writing this that book. and i was with uh nick palmiciano who's. my co-author on this book he's sitting. next to me where we're working my phone.

rings chad robichaux calls me. and he was a marine special operations. guy. that had multiple deployments there and. he had a translator named aziz. and aziz worked specific specific to. special missions units like the tip of. the spear type units. and aziz. had already been told that they're. coming to find him and aziz was on the. run with his family and they were very. very explicit about what they're gonna. do to his wife and his children in front.

of him before they kill him. and um and then like aziz's friends. start being murdered. and uh so chad calls me and says hey man. i'm gonna go get a z's can you help me. and i said. yes. i'm on my way at the same moment next to. me nick is talking to a young woman. named sarah verrardo. sarah is this like powerhouse um she. runs the independence fund which is a. vet a military veteran non-profit that. takes care of severely wounded.

veterans and give them chairs like track. automatic track chairs. her husband is one of the worst. this is a weird title to hold but he is. one of the worst wounded veterans. veterans from the afghan war that's her. husband and she's the the provider and. care and soul care provider i don't know. what the right word is she takes care of. him. and uh he was wounded in afghanistan so. her heart is like just but she has lots. of friends in the government so in this. moment we have the right kind of two.

people i have a good mission i i know. what i'm gonna do it's morally right and. somebody has to do it or or aziz and my. my friend's friend is gonna be murdered. and i have a method. sarah can get us. routes and approval from the government. so the four of us started this ngo. called save our allies. and that literally that phone call was. the beginning of what is now you know. what was the most successful ngo. movement was an ngo a non-government. organization a non-profit.

so save our allies like that call. initiated it nick and i were on a plane. into the middle east the next day and we. flew into the uae the crown prince. was like. the most generous host that you could. imagine. one of our friends. used to ride motorcycles with the crown. prince. and he. said i will give you a c-17 plane if you. can land it fill it up with a perfect.

manifest of people. and get it out i'll give you another. plane. and that was the that was the initial. promise. and 10 days later we moved 12 000 people. out of afghanistan. 11 of everybody that left the country. during the evacuation. me and three of my friends on the ground. and 12 of us total in the middle east. moved. um. and everybody remembers you know people. hanging onto the landing gear of. aircraft and falling to their death like.

that that was peak. afghanistan withdrawal and that is uh. that is when we got there. yeah. so when you say that it was like nothing. you had seen in 20 years of being. deployed. yeah. in what in what way. i mean taliban's going to taliban so. they are definitely doing their thing. but it was it was the the desperation. of the people trying to. find a way to live.

so at each of these gates. a neo operation it's a non-combat. non-combatant evacuation operation it's. a it's a military operation if a neo. takes place they keep calling it a neo. but that's if the military ran it and if. the military ran it you would see. you know a special forces unit with a. big like the ranger regiment or 82nd. airborne that come in that build this. huge exterior perimeter that control the. ground strategically then it would be. like the clockwork of a military.

operation as planes are coming in and. planes are coming out and we're building. manifests we're confirming that. everybody that goes on the plane are the. right people. this was not a neo this was run by the. state department. so. instead of that. a big strategic military operation. instead of think the airport became an. embassy. and like in the movies you're running. the embassy and if you get in you know. like you're safe and then they'll get. you out that's how they started treating. hkia. the um the airport in kabul.

as an embassy so the military just. secured the perimeter of the embassy. the airport and anybody that got on. the airport was able to get out. except the military wasn't allowed to go. outside. of the airport so all the people in the. city of kabul were stuck. that's where we had to come in so we had. to go out into kabul and grab the people. and then smuggle them past the taliban. to get them onto planes. and uh. to answer.

your question the. that perimeter of the base where the. gates there's. tens of thousands of people that were. lining up here. and they maybe walked a few days so by. the time they get there they're. dehydrated they have nothing there. there's no food there's no water. the taliban if there's too many people. they'll just take a magazine and just. dump it into the crowd to move them back. or to like crowd control them they'll. just dump a magazine into a crowd of. people. the women they would they would float.

babies like you're at a baseball game. with a beach ball they would float the. baby baby towards the gate and then hope. in the hopes that a marine or soldier. would reach down and grab the baby. and bring it into safety. and when that didn't work. the moms would take the babies and. they'd try to throw them over the walls. well guess what's on either side of the. wall. constantino wire there's [ __ ]. constantino wire on both sides of this. wall. so these babies would land in the in in.

the wire. and we're in the middle of moving you. know hundreds of people at a time like. smuggling them past the taliban and i'm. stepping over a baby in water or there's. like a small body that's on fire that. was burnt alive by the taliban you know. one of the teams as their they went out. into kabul. and they they they just missed it by. seconds they're going to go pick up this. woman that was a journalist. for um that the afghan uh one of the. afghan news organizations but the.

taliban got to her first. they pull up the taliban see these guys. in the car they drop her on their hood. of the car and they execute her on the. car as they just look at the dudes in. the car there's nothing that they can do. just execute her. this was every day. so when i said a level of desperation. i've never seen before this is i mean. this is like no american no no american. can imagine that type of desperation. and that was everywhere you looked.

and how long were you there for while. this was happening the our ground team. there's myself. and three other um like personnel. recovery. experts uh that we're there total for. ten days. and. did it dissipate somewhat did the. no no just got more desperate. so everybody was watching on television. they saw.

curated controlled. um information you know is way worse on. the ground. so what looked like this. a semblance of an assembly line of. planes taking off and planes coming in. um well that is inside a. controlled environment you know that was. in on the base outside if you if you. know if you go a thousand meters outside. of the wire it is just.

chaos anarchy apocalyptic level madness. you know like. really really really total taliban. uh experience out there. man. and so when you're leaving 10 days later. but what did you how are you feeling. what one of our. one of the guys. with us is code named tea spray he.

didn't eat in those 10 days. he lost 20 something pounds in in the 10. days that he was there. and um you know he could like nibble on. a cracker and drink water just because. he didn't have any enzymes left in his. stomach to break anything down you know. when you're. running out the wire to grab a family. and come come back in you don't really. have. time to think about what you're stepping. over but you still see it and that was. that's the thing that tortures my mind. is. i still saw it all. but i didn't have the time to address it.

emotionally think about. this dead body i'm stepping over because. i'm really busy trying to get to this. family then i get to this family and i. confirm we had to be really judicious in. how we confirmed who the people were you. know if i bring if i brought back one. person that wasn't the right person to. bring back. i would consider myself a failure in the. whole entire mission. um if i bring back one. radical terrorist. that's not escaping but trying to get to.

the united states. and everything would be for naught so we. had a really deliberate department of. state department of defense approved. manifest that would go officially. through the government they would submit. all their paperwork they would have you. know digital versions of it so. i would then give them a location on the. ground where they would have to meet me. and then once i met up with them they. would have a far recognition signal that. would be. uh. not to like give up the tradecraft but. they'd have a way to let me know that. that is the right person and that then. would come face to face and then they'd.

have another thing like a secret. word that they had to sneak into a. sentence and that's a near recognition. signal and then they have to give me. their documents and the documents have. to be real and it has to be the right. person and the same ones that were. submitted so cool i got the right person. so come on i got your family. why are these other 40 people with you. they're like oh it's it's like it's my. cousin and you know and her family and. it's um you know my brother and his. family and it's like.

they got to stay. like you're coming with me. and they're staying. sorry. you can get in the car you can't you. have five seconds. then uh by that time. usually the taliban have spotted us and. it's a foot race to make it back into. the wire before they catch us. and what happens to the people that get. left behind. they're murdered. or used you know there's pilots and. they're doctors and they're engineers.

and they run the sewage system they run. the electrical plant so they're trying. to get out but the taliban want them to. stay because all the infrastructure. that's built there are operated by. people that were friendly to the. americans so they want like if they want. their power plant to work they have to. have all the engineers that ran it so. they don't want them to leave they don't. want the pilots to leave because their. airport won't work they don't have. anybody to run their air traffic control. they don't have anybody to you know make. sure the water purification system works. properly so they're trying to keep all. those people there but all those people.

know that they'll then be. slaves to the taliban. so they're trying to get out. and that's. that's the that's the tough catch-22. position that we were in. i can only imagine the frustration. that. so many people like yourself. who've been over there must have. to how this was all handled. that this should have been they should. have known. what was going to happen if you just.

decided to pull out the way they did. but yes i mean the the level of. frustration. i've never seen anything in it like in. my lifetime in the military where there. was that many. many men and women from the military. so active and unified and we have to do. something you know the. i'm never gonna forget my my. countrymen's response to afghanistan and. ukraine the generosity of just america.

you know it's a different thing from. being. um you know that nationalist compared to. being a patriot you know these patriots. were. throwing money to pay for gas on planes. they were um you know helping us buy. buses to position out in kabul like we. literally bought buses that we would put. in intersections to have people meet. there and they would bring that bus onto. the air onto the air base. and uh none of this would have been. possible you know without without the. uae and the crown prince and the sheik.

without their generosity and then. without the american people just. stepping up and veterans especially. they just um i just never seen it so as. angry as i am as to the way that we. strategically did that withdrawal. i have never been more proud. of the american people. it was amazing. it's great that you could have that. perspective. while also encountering such a horrific.

scene. because i gotta imagine that that the. horrific aspects of it be overwhelming. for most people. you kind of focus at the work i love mr. rogers. i do. he said this thing uh. people. parents were asking what what do we do. in light of like all these terrible. things that are happening. and he says look to the helpers you will. always see people. doing good work and helping.

and uh and i really take this i don't. know if. i don't know how that works really in. the brain. but i didn't focus on. i i saw. all the soldiers from the 82nd being so. brave and i saw all the marines on the. walls. um you know protecting all of these. people trying to come in and trying to. find the right people i mean that. their children you know they're they're. 18 19 20 year old. um young men and women that volunteered.

to serve and then here they are thrust. into this apocalypse like scenario and. they're just perf they're so. so incredible. um i look at them. you know i look at the i look at my team. uh sean g was our ground force commander. sea spray and dave you know i look at. them i i see their their eyes just. sunken in. from not sleeping for six seven days in. a row. and uh but they're still going like i. look at that you know i look at that 80.

second guy as i'm like i mean can you. pick up this constantino wire so i can. slip slip underneath here with this. little kid he's like yeah bro pick. something like. that's rad. but when the bomb goes off. at the end of august. that. was. what we knew going to be the end of us. being able to. be effective and going outside the wire. and grab people and bring them back in. uh the base.

just was gonna get locked down and. that's that that was starting to hurt. that's when i realized. so our list kept growing right i said we. moved 12 000 people in 10 days like. think think about 12th out you've you've. been to arenas with 12 000 people in 10. days we put them we confirmed who they. were which is. a miracle in itself thank you sarah. verardo. so savor allies found these people. confirmed who they were. got them approved from the government. and then put them on a plane and flew.

them out in 10 days. but after the bomb happens. and we. are limited in our ability to be. effective. and this list is growing and growing and. growing this that is when like my soul. just starts dropping out the bottom. because the list grows and my and we're. not bringing anybody else in. so sean g our ground force commander. you know listening to him tell sarah. she's like well what's the point of us. still building being making this list.

so we know who we left behind. and uh and i was just like. this is dumb like this is this is really. bad how many people got left behind. 40 000. on our list i think. do we have any idea what happened to. them. um. we left back americans. like they they are in the control of the. taliban if they're alive.

so we're still actively working like we. we have been. so. we have now moved 17 000 people total. out of afghanistan so we've moved. another 5 000 people since afghanistan. became fully under control the taliban. and um. how do you get them out while it's in. control of the taliban we're very sneaky. so it's 5 000 people covertly yeah and. we have. um so we like lilypad. we once you get them out you take them.

to. a place you know qatar uh uae um. pakistan uh. and you stage them there as you work. through the department of state. immigration process. and immigration right now is a pretty. tough thing to work through um gordon. ryan you know is a great example his. amazing wonderful wife you know he's. trying to get her processed through. legally my best friend nick palmiciano.

who wrote that book with me his wife it. took her two and a half years and she. did everything perfect two and a half. years. with a green card to become an american. citizen. you know so. we have 5 000 people that are stuck in. this process. a little shout out to some of the. senators that are pushing to extend the. siv. application so that's the special. immigration visa it's a special visa. for people coming from war-torn. countries it was going to end where we.

that siv visa wouldn't wouldn't be. applicable. and uh. that some you know mike waltz and um. senator tillis and the guys like that. are stepping up being like no no like we. have a bunch of allies still that are. stuck let's let's figure out what to do. with them first. how was that not taken into. consideration before. we pulled out i just don't understand. how anyone in good conscience. could have handled it the way they did. and why did they handle it the way they.

did was there a reason. um. there was a there was a date. that was set on the campaign trail that. we would be pulling out. after 20 years. and uh so on you know september 11th. 2021. we. when i say we america said that we were. gonna be leaving afghanistan and uh to. stay true to those campaign promises and. um.

you know we're and i'm not like. against leaving afghanistan you know i. didn't want to fight in afghanistan. anymore i don't think anybody else did. and the. having been there for 20 years like. whether it was a good war a feudal war. that that's for strategic level people. to to argue about but the way that we. left. that that was really problematic. obviously. um. i don't know have we ever done anything.

like this before yeah i mean it happened. in saigon uh at the end of the vietnam. war you know we have uh. i mean you go all the way back to soon. zoo he tells you how to to to retreat. um. if uh you can see other instances where. we did it poorly like dunkirk like had. the. the englishman not stood up and hopped. on private owned boats and crossed the. channel you know there's a good chance. that. all of great britain would have fallen.

to the nazis. you know that that was a bad plan. um so yeah it's happened multiple times. but uh i don't know why we just don't. seem to learn from history and then we. just bury history intentionally it's. bonkers. yeah it is bonkers. it's got to be a strange. feeling. to be you. to have experienced. so many things you've experienced and. then to come back here. and see.

all these. people that are just. blissfully ignorant of what's going on. in the world while they're stuffing. their face with krispy kreme donuts yeah. it's. kind of. insulting a little bit you know memorial. day just happened and uh. and i i think about all of all of the. amazing men and women that have fought. so bravely for this country and i'm like. uh so. what are we doing to make sure their. sacrifice was worth it right or are we.

really moving for the ideals that it is. to be an american and i think being. american is a beautiful thing in the. ideals that this country were founded on. are beautiful powerful things. and uh but then. it uh. it's not appreciated and totally taken. for taken for granted. yeah completely and i don't think. there's any way to really. educate people on what's happening. unless you physically expose them to it.

or unless they make a concerted effort. to educate themselves i don't. so many people just they don't no like. we pulled out of afghanistan there was. some noise in the media for like a few. weeks like 45 days yeah and then gone. and then it drifted off and i i was well. aware that there's still people left. behind there and i'm like well what. happens to those people and it's just. the discussion just ended and then you. know they're mad at somebody for doing. something on tv or somebody did. something here johnny depp and amber. heard her yeah.

there's something there's always some. distraction will smith slaps chris rock. and that's it we stopped talking about. it. and meanwhile it's. it's one of the biggest cluster [ __ ] in. the history of this country in terms of. that was the largest evacuation in. american history. like ever and uh and it was. there's no there's no way i i would love. to like be able to put numbers but. there's no way for us to assume or or. guess. the type of atrocities and the number of.

of them that happened outside you know. the ones i saw firsthand. like. who would take pages of this notebook. and you know there's thousands of. soldiers that saw that every single. moment and that was just within eyes. distance you know who knew what happened. three blocks in where the actual taliban. checkpoints were so every route into the. base was controlled by the taliban. and. ev every military. expert on the planet you know whoever. whoever controls the outside perimeter.

actually controls that ground so the. taliban controlled the outside perimeter. so they controlled the airport everybody. that got into that base. um was either able to circumvent like. get past one of the taliban checkpoints. or had to go through it. you know it's like oh thank you for this. passport what is your job your. occupation is you are a plumber you. can't leave you know oh you worked for. the americans i have you on this list. you cannot leave. and uh and then. you're just with the taliban and.

if i'm not hearing it from you i'm not. hearing it this is the problem it's like. this is a this is it's a crazy scenario. and it's not being discussed publicly no. because it's um it's not comfortable to. talk about like mental health it seems. like all these things that we should be. talking about we don't want to talk. about because they're like kind of. bummer topics. but they have to be you know we we have. people. left in afghanistan and we have some of. the people that we got out of. afghanistan that are trapped.

in these lilly pad countries that can't. make it back i'm not even saying they. have to come to the united states but we. have to do something with them right. like we i i personally escorted a couple. hundred into albania like. amazing uh. george soros's son. i was got to meet him and he paid these. were all. i think they're like employees or. they're on an internship program in. afghanistan but they're a lot of them. were afghan albanian. dual citizens.

and uh. he he. george soros jr paid for. these guys to be brought back to albania. so i took a plane full of a couple. hundred people and flew them into. albania and uh this is one of the. wildest things. i get on a get on a c-17 bomb has gone. off you know like a bun 13 americans die. uh. the base is shut down i mean it is like. it is a fortress now nobody's coming on.

nobody's going off the plumbing is going. out there's no more clear clean water. they're taking tractors and driving over. night vision and rifles so we don't. leave them behind i'm watching like a. boot marine take a pickaxe and go into a. helicopter and just start destroying the. helicopter. and uh. yeah like a blackhawk or a little bird. and as like a an. uh. an aspiring helicopter pilot that would. love to buy a helicopter i'm like. watching them destroy sikorsky i'm like.

oh my god you know like it's destroying. me and uh like this is happening all. around us as as a you know bombs going. off and you know hearing gunfire and. things are burning we're starting to. destroy all of our sensitive documents. and we're just collapsing down this base. i get on the. we pack a c17 full of people. c17 rap closes. i have to get on a military c-17 because. my plane out which was a private. uh jet that we had set up as our.

emergency evacuation it crashed lands in. pakistan. as it's flying into afghanistan it has. an engine go out so it has to do an. emergency crash landing in pakistan and. now i'm sitting here in afghanistan. like. i don't know how i'm getting out oh god. i have no idea. and uh so. fortunately the the military's amazing. you know and they they took care of us. and so they flew the four of us. volunteers where i'm not there in any.

military capacity i'm fully there as a. civilian working for an ngo. an approved government. uh an approved government nonprofit. so with authorities all the way up and. down. and uh and i get on this military c-17. and the ramp closes. and as that like last little bit of. afghanistan light. finally. leaves my my vision i turn around and i. see these four. 400. people sitting on the floor of a c-17. they've never been an aircraft before.

they've never left afghanistan before. that vast majority of them and you know. i'm thinking about all the people that. we left behind. and. the way that you leave a combat zone is. way different than the way that. we take off from like an airport. like this nice gradual. slope. the way military planes take off or land. it is like full power straight up and. they start doing like these um maneuvers. to make sure that they don't get shot.

out of the sky. so all these people on this plane. are freaking out and the old women who. are exhausted and dehydrated they start. passing out. and just so people get to understand who. these people are that we're bringing out. i'm like hey i need a doctor is there a. doctor in here like 17 people stand up. you know all. some americans some. afghan doctors there was like an. orthopedic surgeon there's a vascular. surgeon. and uh so like they all just come in and. that's who's on these planes these.

aren't just. i know it's really easy to like oh. they're these brown people from the. middle east that is so racist and wrong. like these are amazing humans that are. educated and they speak english and they. just happen to be trapped in afghanistan. they just have to be born and then. trapped in afghanistan. and then uh. the plane lands. or figuring out what to do with all. these people and like hey we we already. have a place to move this next group so. i got a couple hours of sleep i got a. little bite of food and i hopped on. another plane to bring these these.

people into albania and i take them to. albania and there's this beautiful. resort. on the water that uh that mr soros jr. had financed and when i get there. these kids are out in the grass and. they're playing and they're drawing. and they're giggling and they're. laughing. and it was just my brain. couldn't. compute. like these people were just i just. brought these people out of afghanistan. it was just.

really really cool the resilience like. how beautiful of a species we are. they had mental health um teachers there. that were already like present for these. children to start working through this. experience they just had. pretty rad [ __ ]. heavy. what was the when. when they decided to pull out. what was the strategy in terms of like. getting people out did they have any no.

so it was just like figure it out on. your own we're going to leave and all. the people that worked as translators. all the people that worked as our allies. they just left them yeah but i swear. they good luck. now how would they ever expect anyone to. cooperate with us ever again yeah i. don't know or. what kind of message that sends. uh our current allies yeah you know if. if you're and just to the rest of the. world yeah what are we i i think.

afghanistan was a contributor to um. putin's. enthusiasm to go into ukraine he's like. what are they gonna do they're not gonna. do anything. um. in one of the military bases the two. kind of big ones were kandahar and. bagram. i think it was bagram. the general the afghan general that ran. bagram base. american forces in the dead of night. loaded all of their people and the stuff.

that they could carry into the planes. that they had left the base he woke up. to an empty base. with taliban just. driving onto the most strategic piece of. land in the whole entire country. and the taliban just like walk into the. arms room open the door and start. grabbing ars off the off the racks. that the military just left there night. vision pvs 31s you know taliban's like. [Music]. jesus christ yeah.

infuriating. yeah like what was the price tag on the. amount of stuff that was left behind. it's some preposterous. 40 70 billion i don't know that that is. a really googleable number is that a. verb now. googlable yeah. like it is. uh if you google that's a verb right. yeah i googled it i googled it yeah. tens of billions of dollars i don't. remember the exact number but it's wild. and.

is anyone accountable for this does. anybody. does anybody apologize like how does. this work. does anybody say we [ __ ] up we could. have done this better i mean that's. that's all on the. public relations department of. of the of the government to do. on um on the voter side. like the only way that you affect change. is by voting. so. the consequence to bad policy is the. people choosing. people that enact different policies.

the problem is we're so tribalized we're. so polarized in this country that. there's people that will vote democrat. no matter what that's wild to me so i am. a radical centrist you know like i look. at these two fringe sides and i like. bro you're crazy on the far right right. they're like looking on the far left i'm. like oh bro you're crazy and i'm just. like in the middle being like oh who. here thinks that afghanistan is a wreck. a bunch of people raise their hands okay. cool who thinks that we should.

enact legislation to protect schools and. spend money to be able to harden our. schools and address mental health and. like everybody raises their hand not a. single hand to stay down right. and then you're like um. who who thinks that it's a great plan. for. russia to be able to take uh land that. leads up to nato countries you know. loving nato or like like ukraine don't. like ukraine think that they're corrupt. any of it like everybody is like yeah i. don't want communism at my door. and then you go who thinks there's a.

problem with immigration right now. and uh i mean obviously in texas every. texan is gonna be like bro there's a. crazy problem like everybody generally. is like yeah i think the immigration. system is broken let's figure out how to. fix it. even if you're like no build the wall or. no let them all in everybody still. agrees that there's a problem with. immigration we have to fix it so in the. middle here or just a bunch of people. with a lot of. issues that we all agree need to be. fixed and then.

i guess we can't have a conversation. because we are so divided about what the. best solution is i think there's a giant. percentage of us that are in the middle. but there's enough people that are so. crazy on either side that you choose to. say that crazy i just can't tolerate so. i'm going to join in with this crazy. yeah you know like i'm i'm going to i'm. going to side with antifa because i. think the proud boys are gross you know. it's like that kind of a thing like. that's what people tend to do they just. they tend to decide to side with one of.

the tribes even though they probably. have a conglomerate. or conglomeration of ideas that they've. adopted from sort of both maybe. economically the more conservative but. socially they're more liberal it's like. most people are kind of in the middle. and this is i think one of the things. that happened during kovid. is that people were sort of alarmed by. the way some of the governments handled. things particularly the way canada. handled things the way some of the. states handled things and it made people.

lean towards whatever side was going to. impose less restrictions on them and. respect freedom more florida grew. florida texas. yeah arizona grew places nevada grew. people got the [ __ ] out of california. because they're like i don't like where. this is going and i need to i need to be. someplace where i feel like. i'm not going to be restricted in my. actions by a government that really. doesn't have a good idea on how to. protect me anyway and they they want to.

infantilize me in some sort of a way. yeah i i just released this documentary. called no help coming and uh you know it. addresses that specifically you know. they're. um. like it's all up to you you know as as. trudeau and gavin newsom just landed in. california and had a thing last week and. there's like pictures of them together. and you're looking at. like the draconian level. legislation that is happening in canada. and. in canada and california similarly and.

then the number of people that are just. running for their lives yeah to get away. from those type of things you look at. australia and you're like. that is australia they had concentration. camps in australia you know like is this. real is this 2022 i guess it is. and well there were quarantine camps. quarantine. and they concentrated people there yeah. but they weren't concentration camps but. they were just quarantined quarantine. camps and even even if you've had covid. and gotten over it even if you don't.

have it mildly. you have to be in a camp yeah even. though it's a respiratory disease and. there's no history ever of being able to. control a respiratory disease. anything that spreads the way covid's. spread particularly that one which is. one of the most contagious diseases. we've ever experienced yeah especially. omicron so [ __ ] contagious like good. you're not you're not containing that no. i just really like freedom. i think it's super important and uh i've. always thought it was important but i. realized how important it is once i've.

moved to texas because it's not just. that texas gave you more freedom it. changed the way. people behaved during the pandemic as. opposed to california where people are. still afraid they're still terrified i. mean they're traumatized yeah they're. not healthy no there was a level of. anxiety that existed already there i. mean there's so many people in. california that are on anti-depressants. and anti-anxiety medication and they're. they're freaking out already and they're. not doing jack [ __ ] with their body. their sedentary lifestyle and they're.

seeking to mitigate some of the problems. that come with that with pharmaceutical. drugs. and then a pandemic hits so they've got. psychological issues they've got. cultural issues they've got an issue. with the way they view government and. the way they view the government. particularly in california that they. almost want them to take care of. everything they want them to hold their. hand and then you come here and there's. none of that no. and that's what i loved i'm like we're. in yeah [ __ ] it i mean dude i came out. here two [ __ ] years ago now it's been.

two years you came to the right moment. man i did i dodged a bullet well i saw. it coming man i'm i'm one of those. i smell smoke let's get the [ __ ] out of. here i'm i'm that guy because i i have a. lot of faith in some people. you know i have almost no faith in most. people and i saw it was falling apart. there and i saw like the paranoia and. the anxiety was ramping up and i had. known so many people that had already. had covert by that point and gotten over. it and i i resented this idea that i'm. supposed to think about it the same way.

that someone who's 90 and obese is. supposed to think about it like it's a. death sentence i'm like i'm not thinking. about it that way i'm thinking about it. i don't want to get it but this is not. going to kill me like i'm 99 sure i. could [ __ ] skate through this. in a healthy way if i you know use the. right medication and take care of myself. and why am i being locked out of the. restaurants why why can't why am i being. locked out of the gym can't go to the. gym yeah you can i mean the one thing. that will save your life even gyms.

outside you were supposed to wear a mask. like what you i need to see some [ __ ]. mask data because these guys have. bandanas on i mean i just i smell farts. i don't think this is working yeah uh. data is a weird especially around mental. health right now yeah trying to learn. about um. suicide and depression and anxiety and. the the type of prescriptions that are. being. prescribed to post uh and during covid. like the things that i'm seeing. in the world right now are very very.

scary because people are not both the. physically and emotionally healthy like. there we're we're in a really. um. dangerous moment where we either turn a. corner and start making good decisions. about being individually responsible. about our health and. mental and physical health. or uh i think we're gonna have some. really serious repercussions you know. we're seeing it already like the insane. rise of suicide and substance abuse and. it's it's fright i mean the veteran. community right now. they're not even reporting the data of.

veterans veteran suicides and active. duty suicides because they are so high. and they don't want people to know about. them. you know about this how high is it so. 18 to. 35 year olds are the most vulnerable. population that are just coming back. from a deployment for suicide and they. have seen an 80 percent increase 80 i. think there's like 86 percent increase. in suicides in that group of people. coming back.

from combat and what do they attribute. that to. uh. every. coping mechanism that should exist for a. healthy human right like. i get good sleep i exercise i don't. drink i don't do drugs i have sex with. my wife you know i have great friends i. have an amazing family these are all. healthy coping mechanisms that are that. are in place for like a healthy. a well-adjusted person. they're coming back. you know they haven't seen their wife um.

they've seen a whole bunch of stuff. they can't go outside and exercise you. know two years of of containment where. gyms are closed you know they can't even. go on the base on the gym on base for. like the past year and a half and. crazy crazy well i mean not only is it. crazy but then you're breeding crazy by. creating an environment that breeds. crazy yeah and then we know what the. byproduct is like this is unprecedented. mental health problems within the. veteran community so i you know if on on.

instagram like i'm posting all hey. here's the suicide hotline number you. know here here are ways to seek help you. know find a friend i just two days ago. in washington dc we did a ruck around. the mall in washington dc i did a post i. said hey come out for mental health we. had 100 people just show up to go for a. walk um with you know 40 pounds on their. backs and. i might try to kill them all. in a good healthy way. so they couldn't kill themselves you. know. and all those things like community and.

sweat and friendship and laughing like. those are all really great things for. humans to experience and none of that. has happened for the past couple of. years. yeah and heaven forbid we talk about it. yeah it's the unthought of. consequences of the way they enacted. measures to supposedly protect us. and um that the thing that you just said. that's very important is the amount of. overdose deaths and the amount of. suicides how much it ramped up. and and in many places per age group it.

far surpassed the people that were dying. from from covid yeah especially with. young people that aren't as susceptible. to covid but were just as susceptible to. suicide more susceptible to young people. yeah. you know the um. startling statistic by 2030. 23 times more people will die of. veterans and soldiers will die of. suicide then died in the whole entire. combat. time of the past 20 years oh my god 23. 20.

oh my god. jesus christ that's so crazy. so we. i'm just preaching the gospel go outside. and exercise go find a friend you know. yeah there's nothing wrong with calling. and then we then i mean. then. the legislation people like oh well. maybe we enact some red flag gun laws to. protect these people like no no what. you're going to do is not you're going. to prevent them from going and seeking. help. because they're going to be scared that.

you there's no there's not going to be. any due process to get them off this. list once you get them on this list. right and then you'll take their stuff. they'll nev never get it back now. they're not going to do it so whatever. thought they might have had about going. to getting some help now they're not. going to do it so great like you just. made the problem worse well there's also. the real issue the very real issue that. someone could turn you in. when it's not justified. um oh i got a bunch of haters yeah i'm. sure you know i think i'm a pretty. healthy person but there's no doubt that.

they'd be like. just just to piss him off like 1-800. be it. yeah be a snitch. i've looked into your instagram comments. before oh they're wild. [Music]. i don't know. i don't read my own but i'll. occasionally read my friends yeah and if. it's you i mean like if you post. something controversial i'm like like. let's see what the craziest oh. jesus. i'll read into him like what the [ __ ]. man and i'll click on the links and a. lot of times it's not even a real person. it's like no posts blocked account you.

you know you can't you can't look at. their photos there's probably no photos. yeah a bunch of our so matt best evan. hafer jared taylor mike glover um. kolion like all of those guys if you. click on some of the people that are. and they're there's about five or six. hundred of these pages. and there's somebody that has built this. big huge infrastructure to target us. and they are troll comments there's. somebody writing in perfect english. whether that's a russian bot a china bot.

or an actual just crazy troll. and they have that you know they have. dedicated meme pages and um you know. saying outlandish wild things you know. like yeah that matt best is anti-2a or. that you know tim kennedy hates freedom. yeah they were saying that evan was. anti-2a i had to have him in here. i was like oh like he's like what do i. do about this i'm like please come on. yes let's talk about this this is so. [ __ ] insane your company is called. black rifle coffee. and they're trying to say your. anti-second amendment like what the [ __ ].

is going on in. in that confirmation bias. where you have this this kind of. preconceived notion and then you go out. and look for any. anything that supports your wild ideas. you know if i think the the number. 17 is my magical number i can go out and. i can find the number 17 on a freeway. sign man i knew it you know i knew. that's my magic number right and then. i'm driving down the road i turn left. into a residential area and i look down. at my speedometer oh i'm at 17. and so.

like you start getting this. this belief and it is the most dangerous. thing in confirmation bias especially. when it has crazy ideas um like. anti-freedom ideas or like. hating a specific person and you're. looking for reasons not to like them. it is dangerous for investigators. on the law enforcement side like they. spec we have specific measures for. detectives to prevent them from using. confirmation bias. you know where i think i think you're. guilty so i'm gonna start looking for.

evidence. that supports my belief that you are. guilty did you ever see the amanda knox. trial on netflix no there's a. documentary on amanda knox and what. happened to her in italy it's exactly. that yeah i had her on the podcast she's. an amazing person she's so articulate. and so smart and so resilient. and what's fascinating is one of the. subjects we got into was i said do you. think you would i would never wish this. on anyone because it happened to her. when she was 20 years old she was. falsely accused of murder there's plenty.

of evidence that there was this guy from. africa they know who he is his dna is. all over the house his blood's in the. house like he. he came into the house and he said he. was in the house and said he got there. when the guy was killing her and he ran. away like the [ __ ] story is so bad. it's so bad and they still tried to pin. it on her because that's who they. initially supposed was doing it and that. it killed there's zero evidence yeah but. they they tried her twice. twice for this but it's that kind of.

shitty. detective work. that you're talking about avoiding. because people are human and humans have. egos and egos lead you to make decisions. that aren't rational or justifiable but. they support your initial assertion. which if you say it turns out i was. wrong now a sudden people go well you. don't know what the [ __ ] you're doing. and nobody wants to do that yeah. heaven forbid somebody have. enough inner development or you know.

personal skills to acknowledge. that they're wrong right like that. doesn't happen anymore well it's like. the checks and balances just weren't in. place for him to accuse her in the first. place the prosecutor that accused her in. the first place he was well off he was. off it was all wrong. but this is what we're talking about. that tried to avoid on. i love throwing darts at social media. in that same confirmation vein you know. when you curate your own feed and you're. following a bunch of pages that. it reaffirms those beliefs and that's.

dangerous where you're not getting any. outs you know i follow people that i. like way disagree with um so i can hear. their ideas yeah so that make sure that. my idea is like man that's a great point. that she just made maybe i want to look. into this. and uh and then i take a little peek or. i could be a psychopath and i could you. know block all of those people that. disagree with me and then only follow. all the people that that agree with me. and you know i'm getting weird articles. but i'm like oh but that's an article. that supports my what this crazy idea.

that i have yeah and uh that's not. healthy yeah and most people aren't very. good at managing that stuff they only. just subscribe to or click on links that. they're interested in like that that. support their initial assertions yeah. that support their confirmation bias and. that's a giant problem with people. because they don't get taught that they. don't get taught they also. people think of ideas as if it's a part. of them and when you have an idea about. something you want that idea to be.

confirmed you want that idea to turn out. to be true so you're like ha ha i won. i'm correct but you can't attach. yourself to ideas you can't and you got. to be willing to abandon them you have. to be. the that. the inquisitive mind you know where i i. want. i'm going to always assume that i don't. understand. this thing and i want to know more about. it regardless we'll use jiu-jitsu like. i'm i've been doing jiu-jitsu forever. and uh and i feel right now.

like i'm re-learning all of jiu-jitsu. because jiu-jitsu has evolved so fast in. the past few years. and you know i'm going up to like. uh the jean carlos and the gordon ryan's. and and you know. what is this thing that you just did. right. uh so i've been doing jiu jitsu for you. know 30 years what is this this is neat. in the wild so cool and there's so many. variables or i could go back to my own. gym and you know be in the big fish in.

my super tiny little pond. and uh. never adapt or never grow or. never learn anything new. and when you do that intellectually. where this is what i think and this is. what i know. but i'm never going to subject myself to. anything different like how dangerous is. that it is very dangerous but it's more. common than not it's more common for. people to do that than it is for people. to seek out. new ways to learn and humble themselves.

with new information and jiu jitsu it. forces you to do that. you know if you. i mean it is really really fascinating. that what the changes that have taken. place in jiu jitsu essentially. i mean jiu jitsu has always evolved. right there's like the 10th planet. system that used flexibility and the. closed guard and rubber guard in this. really weird and interesting way and. then there's a lot of people that did. that and they would try these moves out. on people and they would have no idea. what the [ __ ] they're doing and they'd. be tapping before they knew it was too. late yeah they didn't understand and.

then. the leg lock system came into place and. when the leg lock system came into place. it's like oh my god like. i stopped training really hard somewhere. around the time that the leg lock. systems got put into place so. i'm a baby when it comes to that and i. might be a black belt in jiu jitsu but. like when i train with gabe tuttle and. he explains to me that all the ashi. gourami positions and all the different. ways to counter i'm like holy [ __ ] this. is like starting from scratch almost. it's like i understand how to do a heel.

hook i get it but just the subtle. variations on how to defend and when. you're safe and when you're not safe and. how to set up two three moves in advance. because you're knowing that this person. is going to try to get out of it by. going this way so you're stopping this. and then you're implementing that it's. like crazy there's so much to learn yeah. and then john dana hurry sitting there. um. and he's like the wildest on the. spectrum brilliant nerd and he's like. going through these steps.

and uh i'm on the mat and i know i'm. about to drill it but i i want to run. off the mat and go grab a video camera. and record it so that i can and then. write it down so i would have any chance. of remembering all of the details that. he put into it right you know and then i. uh paulo brandow who is um like i'm a. hoyla gracie black belt and he's like. the gracie who might as here i have. gracious cedar park he owns gracie mida. south um and like i'll go back to him. and like we'll be trying to drill these. things these things together. uh i'm actually useless man i don't even.

remember why don't you get like a little. tripod and put your iphone on it and. just like film yeah i don't know it's. weird. it's not a bad idea it's not i think i. think when my knee heals up that's my. move i think i need to because i like. all the stuff that i worked with gabe. i'm like god damn it i don't know if i. could. demonstrate half of it yeah gordon and. john both have like online tutorials. that are really amazing yeah bjj. fanatics yes hundreds of hours of stuff. yeah and they're like so easily easy to. consume yeah it's formatted well it's.

filmed well the audio is good yeah it's. very clear too they're very clear in the. steps the steps of progression yeah and. and you know what the reasons for doing. each individual step are yeah they're. great instructors well john is a cheat. code as gordon ryan puts it he's like. where do you find one of those where do. you find a guy who is a professor of. philosophy at columbia university a. legit super genius who then falls in. love with jiu jitsu to the point where.

he's sleeping on the mats and teaching. classes all day long and. coincidentally he's injured so because. he's injured he can't compete himself so. he pours all of his brilliance into. other people because he's got an. artificial hip and he needs an. artificial knee and he's really [ __ ]. for playing rugby when he was younger. yeah it's um. he and i are going to be cornering rory. mcdonald. and uh in. the pfl yep on the pfl where is that. it's in atlanta on july 1st and so.

getting rory ready for this fight first. of all that guy's a monster. roy is awesome rory is not just a great. human i love him to death and his wife. is beautiful and such a great woman uh. but he. he has evolved as an i've never i mean. he's always remember the robbie lawler. mm-hmm roy mcdonald one of the best i. forget that fight anybody who who's. never seen it go and watch it jesus. christ crazy fight that just happened. like incredible those two fights for me. are like number one and number one yeah. they're right there.

but rory right now physically is a freak. so i have to i'll go in. right here and get beat up by him in uh. at the 10th planet gym. and then i'll step out and somebody else. will go in with him and then john and i. will be coaching him. and. getting. the opportunity to. coach a fighter with john. also gives me a new layer kind of. peeling back the way that his mind works. and uh he is he is truly brilliant you. know he's he's a great human he's a.

great coach. in jiu jitsu but he's also a great. fighter like he understands. how all of it works and putting it. together. uh. best spoke for a single person is is. pretty neat yeah he knows. he also coaches people in striking which. is wild yeah like gary tonan i was like. well who's gary's striking coach like. john's gary striking coach too i'm like. what he what but if anybody else if you. told me anybody else was doing oh my god. my god man go to a real striking coach.

but with john donner i'm like okay. all right i bet he can do it yeah i bet. the [ __ ] guy has no life outside of. the gym this is what's crazy he'll teach. all day long and then he doesn't have a. girlfriend he goes and watches [ __ ]. wrestling videos he's watching guys from. bulgaria wrestle he's watching uh you. know people from japan do kyokushin he's. just like constantly absorbing technique. it's really wild yeah my least favorite. thing to hear from him is when i'm.

training with a person. and that person that i'm training with. does a great thing. um john is like hey great job gordon you. know like gordon ryan great sweep i'm. like oh yeah i just got i'm about to get. smashed you know. i hate hearing it all the time his voice. i just hate his voice gordon ryan put. pressure on the left shoulder yep and. great great job tim kennedy right that. doesn't come out very often. he just laughs at me you have to earn. that i guess. yeah i've heard he's got a lot of uh.

really interesting killers that people. haven't seen yet i've invited you a. couple of times i'm just sitting there i. [ __ ] need i can't i want to train. as soon as this knee is gotten to the. point while i'm comfortable that i can. push it i'm going to get back on the mat. i do my conditioning. in their morning class time and uh. and we set up like our bikes and our. rowers and our skiers so we can just by. osmosis watch technique as they're doing. it so i'm like on the skier just like. this this creep just staring right at.

him just like i'm staring into your eyes. as i'm just going my heart rate's up in. the yellow you know and uh and they just. la you know it's it's like me and shane. and sean apperson. i'm that old school approach where i do. my boxing separate i do my muay thai. separate i do my wrestling separate and. i do my jiu jitsu separate and then i do. mma where i try to put them all together. but i try to develop each of those. pieces as like a kind of a. traditionalist have you tried it other. ways yeah but you like this way you like.

to look really conscious because i. really love um. i love like the sweet science of boxing. and you know the footwork is different. than when i do muay thai. you know and there's there's parts but. then i get to go and paint my mma. picture and put it all together in my. style but the uh like. if i'm. for me getting better in jiu jitsu if i. just did mma and i'm not you know no gi. and ghee. slightly different techniques the way. i'm going to position my hip for a. camera is going to be different i don't. have the friction you know i don't have.

a belt to grab to prevent from them from. rolling forward like these are just. slightly variations different variations. so i like doing it really specific to. each of the respective arts. i the only thing that i would think. would be. difficult to transition back and forth. between the two would be muay thai and. boxing the muay thai boxing thing i. think would be difficult because the. stances are different and the. fear of leg kicks. like you can't put you can't go heavy on. that front leg and and move in when a.

guy could just slot sidestep and chop. your calf yeah okay if i want llama. shake of footwork and i'm only doing. muay thai. but that footwork is really really. useful in mma. but i'm just doing mma in muay thai like. i'm never going to get the good footwork. that i need to be a good boxer right um. and i'm not going to get the good head. movement because the head movement in. muay thai is is way different than that. in boxing right now and i'm not going to. learn how to put put my shoulder in the. right position to protect my chin where. i can keep my lead hand low.

unless i do just boxing so if i want to. take those very unique elements of. boxing and then integrate it into my. striking style i do have to train that. thing individually and then implement it. into my style um. yeah. well it makes sense i mean it's um. there's certainly subtleties to each. individual thing that you can't learn. if you incorporate everything together. and you learn that when you see just. combat jiu-jitsu yeah combat jiu-jitsu. which is a really interesting concept i.

mean at the beginning i was like this. sounds silly you gotta smack each other. but now i'm like this is [ __ ] great. this is awesome it makes jiu-jitsu well. first of all there's a lot of things. like when guys are in the 50 50 or when. they're they're diving on heel hooks and. their face is right there and someone. just smashed and guys are getting tko'ed. you know i watched quite a few tkos with. just palm strikes to the face you're. getting smashed from the top and you. realize like hey you can't just grab. legs you can't just grab legs and this. guy has full full use of his hands and. he's standing over you you're realizing.

like what things are actually practical. you're you and i are both old enough to. remember the pancreas days oh yeah i had. 30 fights in pancrease half of which. were knockouts wow you know like i put. people. to sleep with palm strikes with palm. strikes. you know the all-army combatives. tournament which is like this arduous a. hell of a tournament three days first. days grappling second dates pancrease. third day is mma and uh. violent violent pancreas fights with. high level fighters and uh.

guys can hit hard let's go ahead back to. boss rooting yeah boss rooting was the. best at it because he had the most. flexible wrists and he would pull his. hand way back his jab would hurt. his hook would hurt smash guys like this. like he was throwing punches like here's. there's quite a few i mean look at this. these are just slaps but this this shows. you. and by the way that's not even the most. realistic use of that position the most. realistic use of that position i go back.

to henzo gracie when henzo gracie fought. there was a judo guy in one of those. early. like world combat league one of those. early tournaments with this [ __ ] guy. it might have been extreme fighting um. this guy apparently was [ __ ] with. enzo and calling him up in the middle of. the night and calling his hotel room so. when henzo got behind him he took his. back he just elbowed the base of his. brain. boom boom and that's the most effective. use of the back mount but because it's.

illegal to hit someone in the back of. the head we don't see that i'm not sure. why it's illegal to hit someone in the. back of the head because you get hit in. the back of the head all the time like. if you get hit with a roundhouse kick. there's a high likelihood you're getting. hit in the back of the head because if. you're standing sideways and you get. neck kicked guess where that [ __ ]. foot is landing it's the back of your. goddamn head you get hit with a heel. hood here's henzo so henzo gets his head. look at that boom boom boom i mean calm. the [ __ ] on yeah i mean that is the most.

effective use of the back mount because. he's using full and obviously has a. fantastic back mount too and he's using. in the guy's tapping he's using and. watch how he steps on him watch he steps. on him when he gets off him watch this. like because the guy was a dick get out. of here he stepped on his neck. and the referee's like hey you can't do. that he's like bam but i just did the uh. i i teach. uh i call it making soup where you take. the back and in you know it's it's nice. when we're in my gym you know i have a. judo subfloor fuji mats this you know.

like there's springs i think there's 16. springs underneath every one of our. floors. yeah like you're on an olympic judo. floor. and uh you know padded walls air. conditioning we got fans it's just the. most conducive environment for it to be. nice safe training. you and i step out into that parking lot. the whole world changes about what jiu. jitsu should look like right so making. soup is when i take that back mount you. know i just take their face. and i push it into the ground you know. like i only need an inch for me to break.

his orbital socket in his nose on the. concrete you know and then like once. those teeth and a little bit of you know. the cerebral spinal fluid drips out of. the nose you know and a little bit of. the blood and gum and saliva that all. gets mixed in front of this this guy's. face before the darkness slowly closes. in like. that's the other fight yeah on concrete. and with the back mount it's well just. fighting a judo guy you know imagine. that wearing a winter coat fighting a. judo guy in the street satoshi. threw me you know olympic gold medalist.

just threw me to the ground oh it over. and over and over again dan or her he's. like how beautiful and i because i was. on the receiving end of it he said how. beautiful is it. for how effective it is that he can just. take somebody and put them on the ground. i was like. yeah it's really beautiful. what how are his submissions um. not definitely not his i i don't think. he ever attacked one time really just. control. yeah and he had great control he was.

really hard to get out from under he's. really strong he's this gigantic head. yeah he's huge you know what his hands. are you know his grips are he's like 510. 260 right yeah yeah yeah he was he was. he was hard very mark hunt-esque yep. yeah yeah but it's so such a sweet. sweetheart to train with he is great but. being able to. you know i can knock you out with my. fist or my elbow or my shin or my knee. but he takes the earth. he hits you with the earth he hits you. with the with the earth yeah yeah the. earth is big the earth doesn't move when.

you hit it. it's not like a heavy bag you're taking. a stubborn dumb object me and then. you're taking a movable and. a non-moving object like the earth and. like. yeah i've seen so many horrific street. fights on on instagram and youtube where. a guy picks a guy up and slams him on. the ground. it's the worst it's the scariest thing. man because you land head first on the. ground like that when somebody hoists. you up in the air. bam i mean [ __ ] it's. we uh back to leglocks on the ground i.

was teaching a course in new york a. sheepdog response course and there was a. couple black belts that that were in the. course. and uh we're fighting for guns and. knives they're rubber guns and knives. and um that i'm in half guard and i take. you know he had the weapon the gun in. his arm in his waistband and uh i under. kind of he was covering it with his arm. and i pulled it out the back so i now. have his gun. and he like dives he like dives. underneath like he's gonna go for a leg. lock. and while you have the gun oh i have the.

gun and i'm standing over him and i'm. just like. so i tap him as he's you know like i'm. good at leg locks and i'm just like. moving my feet so he's not going to. finish but i'm like tapping his forehead. with the gun. and uh he still hadn't processed like as. he's like having. this piece of plastic hit him in the. face then he like. finally opens his eyes and the. realization that i'm tapping him in the. face with the gun that as he's diving. for a leg lock you know how dangerous. you know sports jiu-jitsu is to combat.

jesus that's why i love that combat. jiu-jitsu it's adding a degree of. realness well it's definitely opening up. people's eyes that we're just up jiu. jitsu players that took a chance and. didn't want to do mma but said let me. see what happens when you add slaps yeah. you know but you see guys who excel at. that like guys like uh. vagnerocha who's uh you know a jiu jitsu. black belt but also an mma fighter and. so he gets on top of guys and smashes. them. just smashes good yeah it's just like.

you. you there's a lot of positions that. aren't really effective unless you make. this agreement where you're not gonna. slap or strike it's the same thing with. boxing like people who say boxing is a. very effective martial art sure if we. make an agreement that i'm not going to. pick you up and throw you on the ground. or make an agreement i'm not going to. kick your legs out from under you yeah. yeah it's like as soon as you make an. agreement with that like that's a. there's a great video on uh glory. kickboxing's uh instagram page. of uh this dude i forget his name this.

russian guy like a real high level guy. who fought badr hari fought a lot of. guys but he's fighting this boxer and. it's a boxing versus muay thai fight and. it's hilarious to watch because this. this is it yeah what is his name. does it say his name uh. this dude's i've seen this guy fight. multiple times before those kicks that. we're done i mean it's it's crazy. because the guy comes in trying to box. and he's just getting his legs destroyed.

he never gets a chance to set his feet. and then he gets head kicked and then. chopped out and then this is the end of. it he's like eventually like what the. [ __ ] man and that guy's not walking for. days by the way. alexia ignacioff that's it right yeah. that's the dude. and he's he's a a [ __ ] super. technical guy who was uh i think he. actually has one decision win over badr. hari like back in the day but like super. super highly beautifully oh my god he's. excellent.

his uh downfall was the the hooch the. guy liked to drink a little bit too much. partied. haley o'gracie. hoiler told me. as we're talking about. jiu jitsu evolving. he said my dad would say that if. somebody can touch your face while. you're doing jiu jitsu. that you're doing jiu jitsu wrong. dude. that's brilliant yeah yeah yeah well do. you you've seen the kevin holland jacare. fight yeah he knocks jockery out from.

his back he's on his back he punches him. in the face and and staggers him and. then finishes them off like which is. like yeah guys can do that man you can't. let a guy punch you in the face. i think um it was um. eve edwards told me that dwayne ludwig. broke his eye socket from the guard like. he's he's in duane's guard and dwayne. broke his eye socket with a punch he's. like what the [ __ ] man what dwayne it. hits hard from everywhere yeah it was. perfect technique you know it's like but. it's there's there's reality to mma that.

you need to know if you're a jiu jitsu. guy because you have this distorted idea. of what you can and can't do. that's i love having the. our jiu jitsu gym gracie who might have. cedar park is in our sheepdog response. building in cedar park. so they're you're always reminded as. like the the special forces guys walking. by you know is this like marine recon. guys walking by is this navy seals. walking by. like they're all good level fighters mma. they also do jiu-jitsu so when you're. out there like. you know jean-claude bedoni's and uh is.

teaching the evening class super. talented black belt uh. they're still like i'm walk i'm walking. by you know like 220 pound hairy handed. dude with like chunked up hands and and. scar tissue around his eyes like don't. don't forget where we are and what this. is like this is this is real jujitsu. yeah you're learning a a single aspect. of fighting. and that aspect doesn't work if you add. a lot of other stuff in an important one. yes very important yep it was probably. the most important i mean if you mean we.

lo one of the things we learned from the. early days of the ufc was with all. things considered if you only know one. sport if you only know one art jiu jitsu. is pretty [ __ ] effective it wasn't. until everybody else learned jiu jitsu. that jiu jitsu became a very important. aspect of it but not the primary aspect. remember the early days of the ufc all. we thought about was jiu jitsu yeah. everybody was just scrambling to jiu. jitsu schools law enforcement uh. i. i tell if you if you're in law.

enforcement you don't train jiu jitsu. they shame on you like period you have. to go and learn it because it is a. superpower and this is why i tell them. like a trained person touching an. untrained person that untrained person. can has no choice over what i want to do. with their body right i can do anything. i want to it you know like i can. effortlessly put their hands behind. their back and put them in cuffs you. know i can i can move them cautiously. and gracefully and kindly to the car um. as a trained person. and it is so powerful to have that.

control over somebody else that they're. and if if you're in that protect and. serve mode. it is your obligation it's your duty to. know it yeah it's a it's it's like. having no gun. it's almost like that it's almost like. you're really helpless and i didn't you. know when i first started doing jiu. jitsu i had a very distorted idea of. what my abilities would be and i i think. that that's a lot of people i think a. lot of people like oh i'm a good athlete. i'm strong i'll be fine and then you. find someone who's your size who just.

[ __ ] throws you around like a ragdoll. and strangles you at will and you're. like oh. [ __ ]. like this is [ __ ] different yeah you. know but then there's also like the. other thing like i i had a friend of. mine who was a jujitsu black belt who. took an mma fight and i knew he did he. did no striking he was not a striker at. all. and uh i go hey man i go do you know the. guy you're fighting and they're like no. i don't know the guy i'm fighting i'm. like. what you can do to people. with jiu jitsu some people can do to you.

striking like you're [ __ ] like you're. standing with that guy he's just gonna. like anderson silver or something if you. don't know who the guy is it's like. there's there's people that you don't. know they they might have only had one. fight but they're [ __ ] nasty. they're really good they're just trained. really hard and they haven't happened to. have never competed or only competed a. couple of times and you could run into. that guy in a fight and that's a. terrible place to be to be butt scooting. towards some guy who's trying to. literally separate the muscle from the.

[ __ ] shin. you know or or separate your your thigh. meat with his shins like this is. terrifying that's awesome. you opened all that with a guy that. trains really hard. yeah that's the thing yes yeah you train. really hard whatever whatever it is your. modality is. if you don't do that thing hard you. don't train that thing hard against a. fully resistant opponent then. you're not gonna be good but if you do. man you're a force yeah you're a force. and it's a beautiful thing to have.

just that ability and it's a beautiful. thing to practice just for fun like you. could practice archery and never want to. shoot an animal not only want to shoot a. target you can practice jiu jitsu and. never want to get into a fight but the. beautiful thing is you have this talent. now you have this ability even if you. never use it if all you do is train. that's fine but if the [ __ ] goes down. your body knows what to do it's like. instinctively if you lock up with. someone you're going to look for an. inside trip you're going to know what to. do when you get to a side control.

position and you see there's an. opportunity to mount you're going to. mount them if they turn over you're. going to take their back if their neck. is there you're going to take the choke. it's just going to be there. you've done it so many times instead of. having to think through things like i. saw the ufc i'll do this like no no no. no you're not going to be able to do. that you have to train it but if you do. train it you don't have to use it but if. you need to use it it's [ __ ] there. yeah. that applies with all training you know. what whatever theater that we're. traveling to. um.

ukraine afghanistan. the military and special operations you. know they train. that. skill set the the basic fundamentals so. much that you can take these guys and. put them anywhere and they they perform. at such a high level. uh it's because of the training yes. because it is so rigorous it's so. arduous you know um. it doesn't matter where they go they're. still able to do whatever the mission is. that's the argument that's like missing.

about the police is that the police. don't train the way special operations. train but yet they're involved in combat. scenarios on a regular basis yeah so. what we're experiencing right now is a. byproduct of what society has forced. police to become. you know they're demonizing. military training for law enforcement. and then obviously we just experienced. defund the police and. nearly every large city has seen a crazy. rising crime.

and the ones that these large cities. that defunded their police to include. austin you know we we've never seen. homicides like this you get the. chicago's and the boston you're just. like oh this is so scary. and. how does it make any sense that i'm. going to provide this group that i want. to protect us. with less training and less funding but. then still want them to be a better. product to be able to protect us. and then the people that they're. protecting i'm going to.

disarm so the people coming to save them. are untrained and unprepared. it is it's creating this disastrous. situation you know it's not like i. i want to prevent rapes from happening. so me as a good person i'm going to like. chop my penis off like that's the. dumbest argument you could ever make. like that's not going to prevent rapes. it is going to empowering people or. preventing consequences for a rapist to. try and rape somebody you know it's not. cutting the genitals off of every man.

right that's crazy. so what do you think is the roadblock. for i mean obviously what you're saying. in terms of with law enforcement is. it's common sense. so why. is it so hard to get something. implemented like a a a rigorous training. course. i i think it's ignorance i think the. first thing is. society culture right now we have been. uh. we've been emasculating the milit the.

law enforcement for a while you know we. want a kinder softer um gentler you know. and i get they're dealing with mental. health and we can have specialists that. can come in and deal. with somebody having a mental health. crisis but we still need. men and women that will run towards the. sound of gunfire and know what to do. yeah and we don't right now we we have. we have been. weakening them and we have been.

making them ill-equipped to respond to. that and then i think eval day is a. great example of. not properly trained with broken systems. that are not. ready to do the right thing. and uh we will have more of that unless. we get them the right training. and we get our schools to become hard. targets and then we go upstream to the. origin the genesis of these problems. which is mental health with the. individual if we don't do those things. then it's never gonna it's never gonna. be fixed i think everybody agrees that.

the problem is a mental health problem. ultimately because there's only one way. you could ever do something like that. you have to be mentally ill so how does. someone solve the mental health aspect. of it i mean what can be done i i i. believe it is this it is a large. cultural shift. you know the the nuclear family the. where you know mother and father are. loving their child and trying to make. that person be a healthy adjusted human. um that has been demonized so.

with a broken family comes often a. broken person. um masculinity it's been attacked. non-stop and you know we've we've. demonized any any kind of of masculine. attributes you know that's no it's let's. in every way try to feminize men and. that a feminine man is a is a. a dangerous thing um. when it comes to violence you know on. the spectrum of being a man you we have. very feminine men and i love them and.

they're fine and i'll take care of them. and that there's nothing wrong with that. you know but. a broken one is a dangerous thing any. any broken thing especially. one that's capable of violence one's. capable of violence who feels like the. world has abandoned them and they want. to leave a mark bowling. cyber bullying social media. uh video games movies all of when i say. it's a cultural shift it has it has to. be this. large effort of all of us being like. okay these are not things that are.

they're healthy for. us to have a healthy society but most. people who play violent video games. would never be violent. majority for sure they're just kids who. enjoy it or adults who enjoy it because. they think it's fun yeah and i want them. to be able to still do that yeah i think. of i mean i think of it the same way i. think about gun control like the vast. majority of people would never use a gun. in a mass shooting i don't think the. solution is to punish everyone by. eliminating the right and taking away.

your constitutional right i don't think. that's the solution i think the solution. is you have to figure out a way to. prevent it from happening in these. vulnerable places and did you as a. [ __ ] shooting again yesterday they're. at a kid's camp in dallas and they they. killed the guy immediately oh i did yeah. showed up at a a. a [ __ ] kids camp with 250 people and. opened fire and the cops got to him. quick. shootout with the cops the cops killed. him and. i mean but you're not hearing about it.

because guns were used to prevent. another mass shooting that's another. very difficult. group of data to find is the number of. shootings that were prevented by. somebody with a gun yeah it's really i. mean as somebody as that runs a training. company i'm always looking for. not just antidotal examples but data for. me to be like okay what was a good thing. that happened what was a dangerous thing. that happened in the aar of i want to. aar every shooting like an after action. review i want to look at the things they.

did right and the things that they did. wrong i want to sustain the things they. did right and then i want to make sure. that we address the things that did. wrong so. we in training have a better system and. and we're trying to do that. with shootings and it pops up for a. second like there was you know a. shooting at this mall in san antonio and. somebody in the parking lot it was uh. the guy gets out of the car he's walking. towards the mall and somebody spots him. and ends up confronting him and was. concealed carrying and stopped this guy.

from doing this active shooter it was. impossible to find. any of. the information about what happened and. that that's very commonplace about how. difficult it is to find that type of. data. ah well coleon was on the podcast a. couple days ago that guy i love that guy. too and. he we broke down the numbers and when. they talk about gun violence it's. staggering the amount of gun violence. it's actually suicide he said it's. somewhere in the neighborhood of 65. percent.

and then you know there's cops killing. bad guys that's a certain percentage of. it and then a giant chunk is gang. violence yeah and so when you get down. to like what is what is actually. happening with guns like. there's a lot of socioeconomic problems. that are contributing to this there's a. lot of cultural problems that contribute. to it because you have these communities. that have never been fixed they have the. same issues that they've had for decades. upon decades because they've been. ignored and why we'll spend. billions of dollars to help foreign. countries we don't spend a [ __ ].

nickel to try to fix all these really. damaged and [ __ ] up inner cities where. people are growing up with this. heightened sense of despair it never. gets any better everyone around you is. either involved in crime or affected by. crime there's drug dealing and violence. and gang violence and this is your. reality and the only way to get social. cred is to become a shooter to be become. somebody who's capable of doing the. horrific things that you're seeing all. around you. and then if i'm looking for an argument.

for. me to say how dangerous firearms are i. just automatically grab gun violence in. its entirety and don't understand or. break down i don't take that one extra. minute to go a layer deep to understand. what the real numbers look like but i'll. just take that that those mass. aggregates and be like oh yeah look look. at all this like no man like 65 percent. of that suicide and a lot of this is. gang violence a whole bunch of is law. enforcement. yeah yeah it's lame it's. gone yeah it's a lame blanket to throw. over gun violence you know mass.

shootings are [ __ ] horrific but you. know what what's also considered mass. shootings when they talk about the. amount of mass shootings is when gangs. get together and shoot at each other. that's a mass shooting because there's. more than one people shot and it's more. you know it's just. but the bottom line about all of it is. we keep. looking at one aspect of the problem. which is the amount of guns. we're not looking at the mental health. aspect of it you hear no. legislation or no programs that are.

being implemented and put into place to. try to reach out to people and help. people that have been bullied that are. despair that are filled with despair and. they don't see they don't have an out. they feel like their life is over before. it's even begun. yeah. first. if you're out there i love you um if. you've been bullied i'm sorry but uh. find find. one of us because we'll like we'll talk. to you yeah there's hope tomorrow is. going to be better. but uh it's hard to believe that while. it's happening to you when you feel like.

your your world is over i i i've like. personally experienced that you know. like i've had. um i was in morro bay california. took all my clothes off um and swam due. west in the into the ocean you know i. had a couple of women pregnant i thought. i might have hiv. um you know i lost. like my pro fight um you know dark dark. moment and. swam a mile two miles out into the fog. jesus christ yeah um treading water in.

in this cold water. and i'm in the fog now like i couldn't. see the rock anymore i couldn't hear the. waves anymore i have no idea which way. the the coast is and i just had to sit. there and tread water it was one of the. scariest moments of my life and. the coldness. man i wanted to live so bad i never i. wasn't thinking about killing myself you. know like i just was so i just needed. a moment you know i needed a baptism i. needed to be like like a phoenix rising. through the years. a mile out at least yeah i mean i'm a.

good swimmer my dad was olympic level. swimmer we grew up swimming at a yeah. but ocean swimming is a [ __ ]. yeah especially in morro bay if you know. if you're south um if you're on the. north side of that rock the current from. the south side of the rock through the. breakers i mean it's some powerful. current. and um you know i swam for about. 45 minutes so that i mean that's a mile. and a half at least. and uh so i'm in just treading water in. the fog butt ass naked and thank god. somebody saw me walk into the water.

and morrow bay is like a retirement city. and so i'm assuming i'm just imagining i. never know i never knew who it was this. old woman went and called the coast. guard. and the coast guard boat this is one of. the earlier earliest chapters in my book. is describing um like this is. kind of 911 happened very shortly after. that and. woke me up as to i need to do something. and this coast guard boat comes up and. this captain has his like legs dangling. off the side of the boat. he's like hey what are you doing down. there.

like my arrogance as a young man you're. like our frontal lobe not developed. clearly at this moment i'm like i'm. swimming. no [ __ ]. even even in that moment i'm a sarcastic. little prick. and he's like uh so so what's going on. so i give him like a summary a little. executive summary of my life right now. he's still in the water or he's still in. the water he's just talking to me he's. not trading water. and uh. i'd give the update and he's like man i. was going to offer you to get out of the.

drink but quite frankly i just stay down. there. i'm like oh my god what a dick right. i was like. yeah but it's real cold and he like. leans over and he's like i see that. like you are like this is like just. these mental punches of me treading. water i've been out here for 45 minutes. 53 degree water um in the fog you know. thank god he didn't run over me. and he's like i'm only offer one time if. you want to get out of that water. i was like i want to get out of the. water so he throws down one of those. cargo nets off the side of the boat my.

hands could barely work you know like i. clamber up the side of the boat with. like little claw hands and he put one of. those navy wool blankets they're green. and it's just like pure wool and it felt. like millions of little needles stabbing. me in my back it was like the most. wonderful feeling you know so. i sympathized that feeling of darkness. but i also have seen the other side of. it and i like i wanted to live so bad. and feeling all that pain all over my. back it was the most wonderful feeling. to know i'm alive.

you know i never. and so. i i i get what that darkness feels like. but i also know how beautiful life is. after that like you could have died out. there for sure very easily yeah very. easily yeah and if you didn't. get rescued by the coast guard and. you're you're in the fog didn't lift. yeah i don't believe in god or or. whatever i do but i know. there's no way to describe why i'm not. dead when you when you go through my.

life and you. read. moments like this you're just like this. this this is not possible you know from. afghanistan you know just this last. august to ukraine to combat tours you. know getting blown up in afghanistan and. you know multi-day gun fights. periods of time where i'm like crawling. on the ground trying to find a magazine. that has bullets in it because i've run. out of bullets when you start going. through this you're just like this is. but moments moments like that. you know. god's pretty right thanks man.

do you. do you think you're fortunate or do you. think that there's really like a plan. out there for you do you think that you. are doing. enough good work that somehow or another. this is either. predestined or you're just making the. best out of it as it goes along and you. decide that it's predestined like. yeah i mean back to confirmation bias. right like i can have my beliefs i'm. looking for examples that support that. construct but i think objectively if you.

take a step back and you look. into every religion you know and you if. we're looking at karma people that do. good and you see good that comes back to. them. um however that happens. i now. i i believe like i know what i'm. supposed to be doing here you know i'm. supposed to be equipping. and training people to be able to. preserve and protect human life. like i know that you're not just doing. that you're you're also making people. better humans and that i think is as.

much of a part of it as anything is that. in doing that and training and equipping. people to take care of themselves and to. protect life and and training people in. martial arts you're making better humans. they become better human yeah. some people don't want to hear that. because they don't want to do the work. so they don't want to hear that that. makes you a better human but guess what. it does it does it does yeah it's done. we're both examples of it we both have. you're a really bad. horrible person for a while you know you. hear like.

you've talked about it many times and. anybody that knows me like i carry a ton. of shame and humiliation over periods of. my life and when i talk to somebody that. knew me back then i'm like oh man so. every young man is just filled with ego. and anger and you know you could go and. take that anger and channel it in the. worst ways possible and ruin a bunch of. people's lives or. you can find martial arts yeah and. become an inspiration and help a lot of. people and become a better human being.

and that's what's happened to both of us. and it's happened to countless people. that we know every [ __ ] manly man. that i know has had anger issues and has. had ego issues and has all these things. that we call. toxic masculinity all these things that. befall so many men because there's a. long history of men. fighting in wars. protecting families hunting and. gathering and needing to have this.

ability to perform violence and this. ability to be aggressive. and with no channel of that you can get. off the [ __ ] rails pretty easy really. easily real easy but then you look at. these you know these giant you know the. jocko willings you know and um the. glover texeras there's not a nicer human. than glover right you know like the kind. of sweet he and i trained together when. he was a purple belt when he first came. to the united states first time that he. had his you know his crappy little visa.

and uh walked into the pit and was at. slow kickboxing just mopping the mats. with all of us. i was at the time we would have to drive. from san luis obispo to santa barbara to. train with the closest purple belt wow. you know like so this has got to be like. early 90s then right yep mid 90s glover. was the boogeyman for like six years. because he couldn't get into the united. states for six years he was the scariest. guy in the 205 pound division that. wasn't in the ufc and i was always. keeping an eye on him i was always like.

when are we going to get glover into the. ufc and then he got into the ufc and i. don't i don't know if kyle kingsbury was. his first fight but it was one of his. first fights i was there for that and i. watched him maul kyle's like holy [ __ ]. is this guy good. which goes to show you how god damn good. jon jones is because john jon jones was. the first guy to shut him down inside. the octagon i mean john's the best to. ever do it he's one of them you know i. mean my goat list is pretty long because. i don't think you could say there's one.

guy that's the best. because like khabib never even got. challenged i mean it's hard to not i. mean khabib didn't fight as many people. as john did he didn't defi defend his. title as many as john did but kapib. michael johnson was the only one to even. crack him yeah michael johnson tagged. him one time and he beat the [ __ ] out of. michael johnson in that fight you. remember when he's on top of him he's. like telling him yeah yeah you know i'm. supposed to fight for a title you know. i'm first he's talking about that he's. talking yeah he's like i'm going to hurt.

you just stop you're saying give up now. and he got him in a kimura and i was. like jesus christ you [ __ ] tap. because it got so far back i'm not. waiting for that snap that we've all. seen so many times like the frankie. oh the jackaray one never arm never. comes back from that upper arm snap is. [ __ ] horrific man there's something. about that one when they get the kimura. oh we uh i did it standing in combat to. a guy that tried to grab some stuff off. my kit and the kimura is like the best.

technique to defend if somebody's trying. to take stuff off of you like law. enforcement it's one of the first. techniques that they should learn about. how to keep their weapon on them right. walk the wrist reach over grab their own. wrist bring their wrists back behind. their head. and uh. and in like a snap i break literally. every bone in his whole entire arm and. dislocate his his shoulder and his. collarbone snaps as his face hits the. wall and it breaks all the bones in his. face. you know and and uh you know i have i've.

grenades and flashbangs and knives and a. gun all my on my body armor so. you can't take that stuff. um but like it was that fast his whole. arm he'll never use again. it's wild yeah it's such an effective. yeah it's a horrific when when frank mir. did it to nogueira i'll never forget the. stop when you know when it goes over. just yeah and he just like nogueira's. like laying there like looking at his. arm and. heartbreaking.

yeah i don't want to i'm never going to. experience that i'm going to tap away. early yeah oh don't sure what are you. doing. oh man that's not even the worst one the. other frank mirror's broken a few arms. the worst one in my opinion was the uh. tim sylvia one when he snapped his. forearm yeah because he bends he's. coming backwards so here it is so. he was kind of sh on the frank. yeah. so frank gets on top and when frank gets. on top this is the arm is that right arm.

yeah get ready great um. like submission power you know you have. there it is he's got it so nogueira in. trying to advance position he left that. arm out there here. here comes. and. as he rolls him rolls him over twice. that's right it's right here. i'm like flexing your whole body. [Applause].

i can't breathe. that's uncomfortable that's horrific. because that's made my palm sweat. yeah that arm's never the same again. that's never good. no gear is so nice yeah he's such a gem. he's such a gem but that arm has a giant. scar like forever like a fish getting. gutted you have never broken a bone. really no nothing nothing not even a. hand nope wow that's crazy and how's. that possible i don't know i don't know. if it's like john hackleman old school. you know we would hit boards sometimes.

you know we'd hit bags without gloves. sometimes i know boxing coaches right. now like don't listen to tim you know. keep your gloves and wraps on but like. there's something to that there is. something to that i've never broken my. hand in any in any way. that's crazy yeah what do you ever use. makiwara yeah yeah. that i mean there's something real about. that for sure i mean you see the giant. calluses that people build up on their. knuckles i mean that's gotta be the. early martial arts you know i had. shotakon karate in there. you know. japanese jiu jitsu taekwondo so there.

was like lots of. form strikes. boards. and uh and all those things just. developed. were amazing that you've never broken. anything like early fights i wouldn't. rap really yeah i just put the gloves i. just put the gloves on and you know i. probably had 20 or 30 fights um. you know on indian reservations kind of. pre real sanctioning yeah before. states were allowing mma what was the. logic that there's less padding no i i.

like to i like to feel and grip and grab. you know i didn't have like the the. winkle johns and the gibsons to wrap my. hands perfect like they do now you know. like early fighting we would literally. use like boxing wraps and then tape our. hands. if that's we didn't no we didn't know. any better. so i would be like i don't i can't grab. like this you know and i definitely. can't punch like this so i'd rather wear. you know big hands i'd rather wear like. a medium-sized glove that i just have to. force my hand in i'm wearing a smaller. glove so my hand can get into different.

angles and i definitely can grab a lot. easier yeah it's like i just liked it. have you ever thought of the argument. that we should have no gloves yeah. because i i kind of i'm with that up. until i saw the bare knuckle boxing and. people's faces get destroyed yeah i'm. like god damn like when you see chris. lieben do you see chris levin's face. after one of his fights it looks like he. got attacked with a hatchet yeah even. like chad mendes you know his his he. dominated that whole entire fight you. know he comes out he had a a couple of. cuts you know he's swollen up.

but uh i i love it and i i love it's. just weird that you can kick someone in. the face with your shins you can elbow. someone in the face with your elbows no. covering or protection at all those. things are both much harder than your. hands. you could kick things pretty [ __ ]. hard with your shin or you could never. hit them like that like just think of. like shin on shin contact when people. crack shins together it's horrible but. if you hit your hand on a shin like that. it's probably going to break yeah. so why is it that you can protect your.

hands with a wrap and it's like it gives. you an unrealistic expectation of what. the hands are capable of doing yeah um i. think it because it prolongs action. i guess you get you get more violence. you get more punchy punchy. i guess it's just like there's some. things that are unrealistic yeah like. i do one thing i do like and it's very. controversial but i like one fc's policy. of strikes on the ground you can knead. it ahead on the ground i love it my. favorite my favorite uh jason mayhem. miller we had two fights against each.

other the first one we were allowed to. like pride rules you know soccer kicks. knees to the head where was that. it was uh ecc uh elite cage fighting. championship wild eight man tournament. we had dennis king jason mayhem miller. to that championship level but there. were some years where dennis kang was a.

[ __ ] straight-up killer he yes he was. yes he was and. in that eight-man tournament he was a. killer. that fight. mopped the mat with jason mayhem miller. you know i just. crushed him on the ground knees to the. head soccer kicks to the head you know. he's trying to fight off his back um and. i'm just like eating his legs up he. shoots a crappy shot you know a little. snap down on the north south you know as. he's belly down just dropping knees to. the sides of it on top of his head. one fight you know then fast forward two.

years. i think we're the same person slightly. different rule set. and uh it's it's proper mma and um you. know i lose a split decision but you see. us in almost the exact same positions. with the same but i just wasn't allowed. to do damage in half the positions. is we it's it's weird to like well it's. like what you're talking about with the. the combatives training that like if i. can tap you in the head with a gun. that's not good. right and if you're in a position where. i could knee you in the head. i feel like that should be implemented i.

feel like this we're getting an. unrealistic idea of what's possible in. these positions i put my hand on the. ground oh you can't touch me did you see. mighty mouse's fight where he got ko'd. with the knee to the ground yeah in one. fc i think one fc has a better rule set. in that regard. but i also don't like cages i think they. should fight in a large open area. because there's a thing about a cage. that allows you to get back up to your. feet it also allows you to take guys. down i think much more realistic is like. if you could have a basketball game and. you could have it on this big ass.

[ __ ] basketball court why can't you. have two guys stand in the middle of. that big ass basketball court mat that. [ __ ] up. everybody gets a clear view yeah as a. i was undefeated in the smaller cage. so any time i can't get away. you know like i would chase you know. like luke rockhold you watch that fight. we're in the big cage and i'm chasing. him around the whole entire fight he's. just like peppering me with good. footwork and outside strikes you know. and then we get to the little cage with. melvin manhoff and robbie lawler both of.

those fights were in little cages and. you watch how that fight went down you. know like i just. like a pitbull on top of them and i just. followed them and uh totally different. like you you give robbie an extra five. feet of circumference like that dude's. going to be blasting me from the outside. and that southpaw with that nasty cross. the whole entire no thank you yeah. yeah it's crazy like people forget that. you had this long career in like so many. you you fought in so many organizations. before you got to the us was running.

from the ufc. you're running from them yeah in what. way i was making so much more money oh. not fighting for my first fight in the. ufc i made half the money that i made in. my fight. uh the one fight before that really yeah. half. wow. yeah. and zero sponsor money. and you know like. sponsor money you came in was was reebok. already in place.

were the no sponsor money no sponsor. money. that yeah gracie was. my first fight in the ufc um. i had one fight was hydra in the ufc was. that in strikeforce no hodger was my. first fight in the ufc i forgot hodge. fought in the ufc. wow super scary moment when i shot a. crappy single leg and he take took my. back. i had you crazy on my back this is not. according to plan like greg jackson's. like you're dumb tim you're so dumb why. did you do that you're not supposed to.

do this. yeah how did you wind up with jackson's. like what what led you to be over there. i mean i was really torn between going. with bob cook and um aka or going to. jackson. uh. it was. you know. what i think was when i lost to jacare. it was a really close fight i really. thought i won um i you know i i won on. every measurable matrix but i have big. sworn closed eye and greg was there and. greg was like you know you you really.

missed real key moments in preparation. and kind of how you executed your game. plan. and i was like. yeah you're not wrong you know he's like. you need to be in a real fight camp like. i can help introductions you know i can. literally connect you with american top. team um i was friends with bob cook and. uh i thought about going to california. but i had so much baggage and bad. decisions from when i lived in. california then i thought it would be a. bad idea for me to go back there so uh i. was i was looking for. the real professional big fight camp and.

uh jackson and i were just really. similar to dana hernaut like i just. really appreciate that that intellectual. approach to martial arts and you know it. wasn't just fighting it wasn't you know. sweat and staff on the mat it was like. hey let's take a moment and think about. what we're doing here as a martial. artist. so that just really jived with me thank. god for those camps you know thank god. for people like dan lambert that dump a. ton of money into a place like american. top team i think it's like.

where would the sport be if it wasn't. for those outliers those people who. decide i mean. i don't know what kind of [ __ ]. headaches are involved in running. something like jackson winkle john but. it must be nuts. it must be. you're dealing with a hundred savages. you got russians coming in here and you. know guys coming in that are kickboxers. and guys coming into the wrestlers and. everyone's beating the [ __ ] out of each. other you're trying to see what cream is. going to rise to the top. i don't want to do it [ __ ] that.

my jiu jitsu gym is like proper. traditional like everybody wears white. keys. except you got one day where you get to. wear your competition blue gee if you. want but it's all it's a white gee gym. you know like we're. old school bowing at the beginning of. the class bounding at the end of class. and um you know everybody's like. checking fingernails everybody got. deodorant you know it is like a really. nice checking fingernails is good yeah. bj pen. bj penn's got some talons he's running. for governor yes you might win man they. love him.

hawaii loves bj penn so i listened to a. couple interviews of him recently and. you know he's my era of mma and some of. my peers from that era have struggled. with tbi and cte and you know you hear. it and how they talk and they struggled. being entrepreneurs second life after. fighting right you know um. miller great example of how traumatic. and dangerous with substance abuse and. violence and.

yeah. bj sounds great yeah and he was. articulate he had in on back to issues. he was like talking specifically about. issues um i know the hawaii party system. is weird because you kind of just have. to be like only one party is going to be. voted so you have degrees of one party. and uh you know he had just talking. about issues i was like all right bj. yeah he's got he's got a very good grasp. on the problems in hawaii he thought. about it for a long time before he ran. and when he was on the podcast he was. talking very specifically about problems.

that they face and why those problems. exist and what he thinks he could do. about it yeah one of uh i've a guy in my. that works uh with me at sheepdog. response's name is jako. great black belt. like super talented. very yakukali and he has a large. hawaiian family you know some of his. kids he's adopted um and just how poor. some areas of hawaii are and how little. resources they have.

for you know substance abuse and like. he's just a great human and you know. he's a real martial artist and he just. did the right thing and taking care of. he just has a beautiful family but he's. a great example of all the things that. are broken about hawaii. i was with tulsi in um in new york last. week you know we're talking. you know she's she loves politics and. she's pretty passionate about all of. them and but listening to her talk about. broken hawaii and it's just like it's. yeah it's tough it's tough it's tough.

there's a lot of poverty and a lot of. drugs. and a lot of crime and um. what is she gonna do now. i asked her that and she's keeping her. cards tight to her she is she is yeah. and uh. you know she's like right now i'm just. kind of doing this she was doing like. the media tour so she i think she did. like 10 tv shows last week got to go to. dinner with her. and um. it was uh. it was it was it was fun because we. talked. we went to this indian restaurant in new. york i went i did a signing at the.

barnes noble. and we come across the street and have. dinner with her and this indian. restaurant it took us four and a half. hours to get our food and normally i. would yeah normally i would have been. outraged but instead i got to spend four. and a half hours with tulsi and and just. talk you know we talked to go to the. store and buy the ingredients they had. to have what the [ __ ] man yeah we talked. to human traffic counter human. trafficking we talked you know school. shootings we talked you know her career. and it was just fun to. um. she and i do not agree on a lot of you.

know a lot of things and it was it's fun. to be with somebody that you don't agree. with and you know the cream rises to the. top and the better ideas as we kind of. flush these out and it was cool because. we were both doing a lot of media um. you know i think the next morning i i. was on fox and friends and you're. you never know what people are going to. ask you you're like whatever hot button. topic they're looking for a sound bite. so you know the night before her and i. are just kind of. running through all of these ideas and. these problems and it's something that i. wish all americans did more frequently.

yeah you know oh you disagree with me. right i don't hate you. but i want to talk to you what do you. guys disagree about. foreign policy. um she's a non-interventionist foreign. policy yep. yeah and i'm definitely like an american. first strong foreign presence you know. um you know we pulled out of ukraine. uh. the military the special forces goes all. over the world and and trains militaries. and um and it not just it better equips.

and better trains that military but it. also creates. opportunities for like we have. connections you know i like the czech. republic i deployed with the czech. republic with their special forces. and uh. horrible gun fights wild wild rides. and uh those are friends that until we. die i will love those guys for forever. then i go back to the czech republic i. go to. their special forces base and you know. teach some some human intelligence. courses and do like this exchange of.

information they eastern europe. eastern europe they had some different. tactics than we used so like this cool. cross-pollination of ideas and and. tactics and trade craft and then i come. back and i bring those back to my unit. and some of those stay. and but those relationships are built. you know when we left ukraine. they. that training those relationships and. those contacts don't exist. so you know us coming in now trying to. figure out okay how are we going to help.

you guys we're like starting cold you. know it's like cold it's like a cold. call to do a sale how difficult is that. to then go to somebody that you're at. the gym with all the time and you talk. to and you're like dude i just got this. new thing it's an awesome you know. pre-workout two totally different. experiences right success. when when were we in ukraine we were. there i mean we're we i think we're all. the way up to 2016. um so. the agreements that the u.s government. has with those.

countries there's lots of different. levels of them what kind of. participation collaboration we're going. to have. and um like sometimes some. special operations can even come to the. united states and go to our special. forces like they can go through our. our training. and like they can as if they're earning. a green beret go through every single. phase and learn how we plan and how our. tactics are like these are really good. allies that we're going to be aligned. with forever you know british australian.

um. you know at ranger school you'll see. german infantry officers and you'll see. um australian sas guys it's rad and then. they bring that back to their their. respective countries and all. um you know with rising tides all ships. will be raised that that kind of. approach too. so tulsi i don't agree on where you know. we should be. that's cool we got to talk through a. little bit at least it's a discussion. yeah what's fascinating with me about.

her is how the left is completely. ignoring her although she was a. democratic congresswoman. for eight years. but the right has her on everything with. full total respect knowing she's a. democrat it's. it's so interesting yeah like one of the. things that's been very strange about. this whole polarization between the two. party system in america. is how the right will allow people to. come on they disagree with and talk to. and they'll talk to them respectfully. and they don't attack them whereas if i.

watch a person who's a right-wing person. who gets on cnn or msnbc they're getting. attacked nonstop. that's the only way there's never a. civil discussion where you're allowed to. agree to disagree or have a discussion. about why you disagree. i think it has a lot to do with the. reason that you end up. being um you know my beliefs and my. ideas i'm always looking. for. an opposing or a conflicting idea which.

will either make my. my beliefs more sound. or i'll have to take. a second look at them because there's. something wrong with it yes and somebody. like that is is naturally going to be. subscribing to. you know. maybe more conservative ideals than um. over here where like this is my belief. system and i don't. as an isolationist like i don't with my. ideas i don't want anybody to disagree. with me. and um like but i also. with tulsi and bill maher's bill maher.

maher yeah. they're democrats yeah and um. now i think a lot of. the democrats are looking at them like. are you guys republicans yeah exactly no. you're not you're still democrats but. the the outlier fringe of that party has. left them like the whole. the line of rational just moved so much. further away. and where like a bill maher and tulsi. gabbard are are now like. centrists well they're considered.

centrists but some people say they're. far right. that's crazy nuts i've heard people say. like bill bill mars adopted a far-right. ideology like what. i've i've seen there's but that's just. twitter twitter goddamn mental health. the only mental health problems that's. the center of mental health problems in. this country. but what's unique to me is that this. there's a. there's a i think probably what happened. was the response from donald trump the. the response to donald trump being. president he was so polarizing and he.

attacked people in a way that was so. non-presidential and the way he would. behave was so non-presidential that. that's just his thing when someone comes. after him he comes back at them even. harder but when you're the president you. do that it just gets everybody's panties. in a wad and he's just [ __ ] taking. gallons of gasoline and chucking it on. the fire and so when they got rid of him. and they got him out of there they're. like we gotta make sure that's never. happened again yeah meanwhile it's gonna.

happen again it's gonna happen again. he's coming back and he might even win. but the this polarization has like. hardened them the thing with trump. because of trump's behavior the way he. communicates which i just think is a. terrible way to communicate as a. president but if you're a supporter you. love it you're like yeah stick it to him. finally someone sticks up for us and so. it's like yeah i get your feelings i. understand why you would love that and i. understand that he's right about many. things there's a crazy video that's out. there that shows all the things that.

donald trump predicted if. joe biden gets in office and how all of. them have taken place have you seen that. video no. i'm gonna send it to jamie because it's. so wild it's so wild you watch it play. out and you're like holy [ __ ] yeah. because it's it's so crazy. that um it's it's that blatant that like. you would think like wait a minute is it. is this. is this theatrical i mean this is bad at. a point you.

or a two-party system with a. you know nearly 50 50 split down the. middle um at no point would i. in that presidential position like your. job is to try to bring as many people. from each respective side yeah together. yeah bring everybody together. that not his approach no he doesn't. that's why it's it's so not it's not how. a leader behaves. like he was very he's got a huge ego and. that's what's led him to this amazing.

amount of success that he's had but that. huge ego once he gets a new position. about here play this from the beginning. and give me some volume. before i took office there's a lot of. folks like folks out there making some. pretty broad predictions about how. things would turn out. this vid hold on stop for a second this. video does not sound like that it sounds. fine what's coming through uh the. computer why is that happening. because i played it together today on my.

phone it sounded perfect. they're coming for your guns they're. coming for your jobs. and they're coming for your freedom they. hate american energy and joe biden will. shut it all down he's going to. uh. if i became president biden's elected he. will wipe out your energy industry. another prediction. that is my favorite one i understand. is that if i got elected gas prices. going five six seven dollars for a. gallon.

blood your communities with criminal. aliens drugs and crime while they live. behind beautiful gated compounds. they try to take away your guns second. amendment they want to take it away. while they enjoy private security that's. fully armed i never understood that you. spent trillions of dollars. rebuilding foreign nations fighting. foreign wars and defending. foreign borders for all those. predictions of doom and gloom six months.

in. here's where we stand you want to use. the word recession or depression think. of a single mind. on the table. you know it's sad so if your primary. concern right now is inflation we could. stop it in 30 minutes when i took office. he finally went outside he went to get. an ice cream well the bottom line is. i say you're not doing a very good job. this is campaigning any pre-election now. from the press yeah wow it was him.

campaigning pre-election and what is. actually taking place. i mean. it's just uncomfortable. it's wild and what's interesting is even. cnn is starting to push back against it. like don lemon was interviewing the. woman who is the new uh press secretary. for the white house yeah and he was. asking is joe biden going to be fit for. 2024 and she's like he's fine he's great. like what are you talking about and. you're watching and you're going what. the [ __ ] are you talking about he's.

definitely not that's not true like you. know that's not true like you're. gaslighting us yeah i saw a cost across. ocasio-cortez asked if. he if she would support the president in. a 2024 run. and uh she's like you know let's talk. about the issues that we're trying to. fix right now. and uh and like so would you support the. president you didn't answer me that's. what the journalist asked her and she's. like. um you know we have issues right now. that we need to address first. and. then she let her off you know but.

yeah yeah crazy it's gonna be it's gonna. be wild. well it's it's 20 20 or we got midterms. right now yeah. i don't know i wonder what's gonna. happen but it's like there's no there's. not no clear shining example of what we. we really need no you know i mean unity. would be nice you know yeah i'd rather i. wish it was so much more about the issue. than the individual. where we could talk about. all of the issues and find the candidate.

that has the best solution for those. interviews that's just crazy talk. who the [ __ ] are you. [Music]. yeah yeah it would be nice but you know. i think there's also the giant problem. of money in politics it's just. if unless you remove that unless it. really is for the people then you've got. a bunch of people that are getting. people to do things once they get into. office it's going to benefit their. bottom line and that's what we have here. we have a corrupt system we've. agreed that it's okay if it's corrupt as. long as we you know write it down yeah.

as long as we know that it's legal. corruption the um that ukraine bill. never the 40 billion dollars like i put. everybody's like oh like the corruption. over there and i was like. i mean i'm like we can't throw stones. right from where we are in our glass. house of of corruption yeah where you. have a senator that makes you know. whatever 200 000 and it's worth. 40 million yeah no she's worth a lot. more than that i was insane nancy pelosi. no i wasn't uh okay. another great example she's worth.

hundreds of millions. and she's never done anything besides. public service do you know that she's. better at stock trading than warren. buffett. or. george soros like she's got a better. record than any of those guys those guys. are professionals all they have done is. been rich and make themselves richer and. she's better at it by a good margin by a. good margin that's not good and it's. weird is it cause like she knows. about things before they happen it's.

it's almost like it's insider trading. tim kennedy almost i would never i would. never ever. accusation though. it's hilarious i'm sure you've seen the. interview where they asked her what do. you think about um stopping congress. from people members of congress from. trading stocks. can we just do term limits and not let. them get rich while in office from how. they vote there should be some thing. some. measures that are put into place but the.

problem is then we'd get even less. qualified people that want to be. president and less qualified people that. want to be congressman if they didn't. think that there was some sort of. financial incentive there's zero. financial incentive all you're doing is. being a civil servant. boy i like that though i like it too but. i just think but they're also gonna. crawl up your ass with a microscope and. find out who you [ __ ] when you're in. high school like it's just politics are. out for me oh my god it's the amount of. chaos that's involved and. there's you know. there's nothing that seems to be.

like a clear solution to fix any of that. it just seems to be like we're just. going to complain about it and it's. going to be chaotic. until the chinese take over don't say. that. why would you say that joe take that. back take that back well they already. got john cena yeah once they got john. cena we're already oh my god the same. group that obviously was in afghanistan. uh save our allies did you read about. ben benji hall no so he was a journalist. with fox news that got blown up in. ukraine. and a couple of journalists that were.

with him died and he was horrifically. injured. our organization save our allies was the. group that went in and found him rescued. him saved his life and then. got him out of ukraine and into. american uh level medical care and then. all the way he's currently in bamsey. like right here in san antonio and. first it's so cool that journalists. uh. are brave like that to go and.

to go you know to go into kabul to go. into ukraine to go into down to the. border and to see what is really. happening down there it's like a little. little nod to them. and uh but. that guy no painkiller after he. is is very very seriously injured um his. his family haven't seen the wounds. so like. i'm not gonna explain them. but you know tourniquet's on for hours. and he has to make it through all these. checkpoints and this is like peak. invasion. and uh.

they're able to get him out of ukraine. and save his life. and like the that ground team from save. our allies that was so creative and how. i mean they literally went into the. front lines grabbed this journalist. you know dead bodies around him got him. medical care and then got him out of the. country and before he died. and uh that. benji hall you're a badass. wow yeah pretty rad there's a lot of. badasses out there as much as we want to. talk about people that are fat and lazy.

and soft in this country there is a. large number of [ __ ] incredible human. beings that are here i'm surrounded by. him you know i i talk. about wanting america to be more healthy. and fitter and stronger and individually. responsible and able to secure a school. you know be able to protect your kids i. fully believe that. that we need to be better. and we're the weakest that we've ever. been but i like surrounded by. in in the military.

in my position there i'm just surrounded. by the best and most brilliant men. that have ever ever existed like these. guys are so incredible and the guys that. i work with achieved our response their. heart as servants you know teaching. teachers teaching law enforcement you. know teaching civilians that just want. to be better mothers and fathers to be. able to protect themselves and their. families like how rad. is it that they've dedicated their whole. entire lives to this idea like they'll. teach 14-hour days they'll come back. into the office start cleaning all the. weapons start cleaning the mats mopping.

sanitizing you know to do it all again. the next day. it's so humbling to see how many great. humans there are out there and we we so. often just like focus at the bad. um. at. at the expense of the good never being. recognized. well i think for a lot of people they're. just surrounded by the bad and that's. what they look to as a benchmark. unfortunately they don't have access to. the type of people that you're around. and if they did they would judge.

themselves in comparison it's just a. thing that people do automatically you. imitate your atmosphere and if your. atmosphere is filled with beasts and. these guys are just putting into work. every day and if you want the kind of. respect that they get from you you got. to put in that kind of work too and. rising tide lifts all boats right and. everybody gets in it together and you. come out of the other end you're better. because of that because you know iron. sharpens iron and that's just how it. goes. it's so important so don't do it you.

know the um. the scars and striped this book the. whole. reason. like we dropped it right now is in this. editorialized curated existence where. you know instagram i'm using a filter to. make myself look good um that whole book. is about failure and struggle and every. single one of the mistakes that i ever. made you know it is not the. self-ejaculating memoir of like why i'm. this amazing person it is all the. reasons that i'm not you know it's all. the reasons why. um it is normal for us to struggle it is.

normal for you to not be able to. deadlift that 500 pounds unless you have. conditioned yourself and failed and. pushed yourself so your body adaptation. adaptation is able to do it in in we we. think exclusively physically when we. talk about adaptation but like your soul. and your brain and the total human. condition is all. part of it yeah and you have to struggle. you know you you have to see failure you. have failed at business now i have great.

businesses you know failed at. relationships and the pain of the of. that failure like hurt being a 10 year. old and wrestling for the first time and. getting pinned in my first match and. having to stand up in that gymnasium. that big huge itascaro gymnasium and my. dad is sitting right i could still see. him right here on the side of the mat. you know and and that my head hung in. shame as the other guy gets his hand. lifted you know in wrestling it's just. so fast his hand goes up but the the the. echoes of that failure just resounding. in my head as i have to walk single. elimination my tournament's over yeah.

you know if i had not experienced that. failure there's no way you'd see me. fight for world titles there's no way. i'd become a black belt you know if you. took that moment away from me and i got. a participation trophy and we both got. our hands raised that moment's gone. right and it is so important and and you. apply that with everything like i stick. my hand on the stove i burn my hand i. learn not to put my hand on the stove. and that's that pain and that's that's. process of failure that we are we are. taking that away from this generation. yeah it needs to be ingrained they need. to understand that it's a benefit you. have to look at those failures to go you.

have fuel now you have fuel and you can. decide to. ignore it and you can decide to wallow. in the shame of loss or you can be far. better because of this because there's. nothing that motivates you like. humiliation no. no. we. if you're out of shape i'm never going. to make fun of some a fat person walking. to the gym so proud that you're there. right but i will look at you walking. into a krispy kreme. and making it yeah another con conscious.

decision about what your lifestyle looks. like where i'm gonna have to pay for. your health care in a few years yeah you. know like those are two very different. things i'll i'll embrace you i'll help. you program i will help you diet you. know people walking into through my. doors some of them have never held a. firearm in their life you know they. don't know the first thing about. situational awareness they don't know. where to park they don't understand that. they should park towards the front of. the parking lot underneath the light and. that they see somebody with their window. down the engine off and they're sitting. there smoking a cigarette with the. backed in and they're looking at. everybody walking through the parking.

lot maybe that person might try to mug. you as you get out of your car maybe you. know um and it is these these complete. new ideas to them and watching their. brains start. firing seeing these things for the first. time explaining. why profiling and generalizing when it. comes to protecting your own life. is useful and how the sixth sense is a. real thing you know like that feeling. where did that guy look at me weird in. society we're like okay no no i'm i'm.

not gonna look at that guy and make any. assumptions about him because it's it's. culturally. rude or inappropriate and i'm going to. talk myself out of this and then that. guy assaults me you know like not now. this poor woman's been raped because she. talked herself out of it you know and we. can train and we can sharpen we. condition and it is the most beautiful. magical thing to watch these people. teachers right now just flooding. clamoring to us and i cannot run enough. courses and you can see them starving. like they want to protect their students.

so bad it's such a beautiful thing i own. a private school you know i i launched. apogee strong in apogee our school to. address what's happening in schools and. what's happening with our young men and. women and. seeing parents walk in and being like. wait i could i get to be involved in. what happens with my own. with my own child's education yes you do. wait i get to my son has to exercise and. keep a journal as to. what he's and what books he's reading. you know and like. what this is rad and it is just.

the life it is it is it has provided a. second wind i'm going to do this till. the day i die and i love seeing. this realization that people can take. control of their own destinies. especially around safety well said i'm. glad you're out there tim kennedy love. you man you too love you too can you. keep doing this. i think i'm gonna you gonna please i'm. gonna keep doing it yeah. scars and stripes it's available right. now it's everywhere audiobook did you. read the audiobook i did [ __ ] yeah that. was hard i bet but you have to i cry it.

took me a day to get through three. paragraphs. yeah. audiobooks man that's why i'm never. gonna get in that stupid chamber you. have in the back. never gonna do it i just experienced a. version of it i'm not a hard pass man. it's it's even different in that one oh. thank you all right well thank you. brother appreciate you very much bye. everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].

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