Is Islam the Problem or Has the West Become Weak? | Raymond Ibrahim | PBD Podcast #869

You are to be put to death. That's the. law. Mass enslavement, mass massacres. Systematic destruction of churches and. synagogues, exponential atrocities. >> You have the option to either join us or. we're killing you. Is that that's black. and white? >> Yeah. Either convert or die. >> Tell me more. Are we too judgemental towards Muslims? >> How they're presented today is literally. the opposite of what they were. Nothing changed because their life was. about raiding the other, enslaving and.

killing. Fake history is much more. dangerous than fake news. It's fake fake. news. It does its mischief and then it's. gone, but fake history. >> is extremely dangerous to our democracy. >> Why are they doing it and how are they. so successful? >> Horrible, how dare you? How can you say. this about a whole religion of 2 billion. people? I get this all the time. It's. the facts. >> How has he been so successful at. spreading [music] his message worldwide? >> Us became Muslims and it didn't matter. if they're your relatives or not. Think. of ISIS, right? But on steroids.

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okay? Of course the the. Sword and Scimitar, which massive book. and the forward, you know, Victor Davis. Hanson who was just we just talked to. him about a couple weeks ago on the. podcast. We're going to put the link. below to go order this book. But we got. a lot of different things to talk about. Some of it's going to piss off some. people because you're one of these guys. that's not just an opinion, you study these things and I think it's. important for the audience to know this. before we get into this and we'll kind. of give the background a little bit, but. I want to start off with,

you know, the first question to see how. you would address this, which to me it's. it's a question I think a lot of us. aren't asking enough. Is Islam the. problem or has the West become weak and. tolerant? >> Wow. Well, I often address that specific. question and. the answer is yes to both. So, Islam is. inherently, intrinsically. not compatible with Western. civilization. Let's just be honest. As a. religion, as an ideology, and again, this is not I'm putting Muslims aside.

for now. This is not an artificial. distinction. I think I can speak about. the religion and then we can talk about. how Muslims fit into the religion, but. the religion in and of itself is. inherently incompatible with Western. civilization simply because it teaches. and expects things of Muslims that are. antithetical to Western norms. Okay? No. religious freedom as understood in the. West. If you're born to a Muslim father, you're a Muslim. If you in any way, shape or form try to break away, especially by converting to a religion, say Christianity, you're an apostate and.

you are to be put to death. That's the. law. Okay? There's there's no nuance to. it. There is no what, you know, the the. only nuance is one idea is that women. shouldn't. shouldn't be killed, they should be. imprisoned and starved until they come. back to Islam, okay? Which doesn't make. it a whole lot better. Same thing with the idea of blasphemy. If you speak against Islam, put to. death. This is all this this isn't. radical. >> In Muslim majority countries, not if I'm. a Muslim in a different country. >> No, no, I'm now talking about what Islam. teaches, okay? And then we'll look at it.

how it manifests in various countries. and epochs and how people treat it. But. what I'm trying to say is the religion. itself, okay, as it is is just doesn't. work with the West. There's no religious freedom. So if. you're a Christian or a Jew, you're. called kitab, people of the book, you. you you have limited rights. You don't. nowhere near the the same rights of of a. Muslim. So you can live in an Islamic. country, but there's all sorts of. restrictions on you about churches, about what you can do, what you can say, what you can wear. Your word has no validity at a court of.

law against a Muslim. So things that of. course by Western standards would be. considered completely discriminatory. Okay, so that's why I say it's not. compatible, Islam itself. Now we can. talk about how different countries, you know, allow their Islam to be expressed, how. different people, the vast continuum and. and we can talk about that. But the. religion itself, it's just simply it's a. black and white. This isn't a hard. question. There's. people try to complicate it, but it's. just it's not. >> It's not compatible. But but the. question is.

is the West becoming too. >> All right, the second part. >> soft and weak where we're like we lack. paranoia. So maybe. >> Yes. >> maybe the question is. >> [snorts]. >> are we too judgmental towards Muslims. and Islam or are we not paranoid enough. and we're like it's okay, nothing's. going to happen here? >> Much more the latter. And so to I I. forgot your original question which was. is it this or is it that? So first I. said Islam is inherently a problem. And. yes, the other problem is the West is. just like an ostrich has its head in the.

sand, doesn't want to acknowledge it. We're. like you said, we're not too judgmental. We're actually. trying to be too naive. Okay, we don't want to acknowledge this. Everything I just said about Islam, you. know, no mainstream source would ever want to. say that openly. You know, this is. horrible. How dare you? How can you say. this about a whole religion of 2 billion. people? I get this all the time. Okay, but it's just it's the fact. So, So, the. combination now is this and we'll have. to we'll get into the history because. it's relevant to what I'm going to say.

now, but as just a as a as a quick. precursor, so what Muslims did historically was. they would invade and conquer. all throughout the world, Christian. lands, not in Persian Persia and Hindus. all around. But the people fought back, the. Christians, let's say. The difference is. now and and Islam was a powerful force. Now Islam is really, believe it or not, a very weak force. But it's being. enabled and empowered by, let's say, the. West. Okay, so now when people, for. example, in Britain, it's very common to.

hear people complain, "Muslims are. invading our land." Which to which I. often say they're not invading, they're. being invited. It's a whole different. ballgame. They're not coming with swords. and forcing their way in while, you. know, your your police and your armies. are trying to hold them back. It's quite. the opposite. They're bringing in them. in, they're giving them everything they. want, and they're shutting you down when. you speak and they put you in jail. So, so that's it's a double whammy. Yes, Islam is inherently what it is and the. West, for whatever reasons which we'll. get into, is doing everything possible. to enable and empower it.

>> Okay, so when did we become soft? What. was the turning point of us becoming. soft and no longer, you know, being paranoid? Was it because of how. powerful we we became? Was it because. how strong the military is the paranoia. went away, but when did we become the. soft? >> Yeah, this that's a good question and. there's it's multi-layered depending on. when. Um, I would say, you know, first of all, it. starts in many ways with the Protestant. Reformation, okay, in the. [clears throat] 16th century. And the. reason for that is and this is well. known to us as a historical point. I'm.

not A lot of people get upset. They. think I'm attacking Protestantism. I'm. not. I'm just saying as a historical. development, because the Protestants. broke away from the Catholics, the. everything that the Catholics did at. that time was seen as bad and all of. Catholic history is bad. And one of the. main things that, for example, the. Protestants would point to were the. Crusades. So, all of that was completely demonized. in Western countries, Protestant. nations. So, that that was the first. kernel. And oftentimes, hand in hand. with that came a sort of um. rehabilitation of Islam amongst.

Protestants. In fact, Protestants during. the wars with the Catholics would often. side with Muslims against the Catholics. So, so there became a sort of a. softening towards Islam. So, that's the. beginning. Then you have all sorts of. other things that are that, you know, also the Enlightenment and kind of. rising above, seeing things through a. religious. prism. And you keep moving fast forward. with this sort of secularization. The. more secular you are, because when we talk about the history, you will see when Christians were. actually Christians, they were not they. would not do what we're seeing today, which is basically capitulate before.

Islam. I mean, every. day doesn't pass when I don't hear about. or see a video of a. church, Catholic, Anglican Protestant. inviting Muslims in and having them. declare Quranic verses that actually. condemn Christianity. That would have. not happened, okay? So, but I I think. also it really revs up and really speeds. up around the '60s, cuz that's where. everything kind of starts. The. the sexual freedom, everything in the liberalism. It's. that's what we call, right? Liberalism,

leftism. All those thoughts come. and you see it also in the academic. world and how books are written. So, I. deal with history, and when you read. books from that era on, okay, what we. call woke history, it's all there. Where. all of a sudden, Muslims are the good. guys. Oh, it was Europe's medieval. Christian ancestors who were horrible. because of what they did. And if. anything, we need to learn from Islam, and we need to be good to them, and we. need to make up for the sins of our. ancestors. That's become the sort of you. know, general mood amongst many Western. people. Including Christians.

>> Okay. >> Even in movies. A lot of times you you. look at movies, it's like, you know, the. West is the enemy, the Muslims were. innocent. You know, we came in and took. over their land and that's not fair what. we did to them. So, you you think the root of it of us. becoming soft is liberalism? >> If you want to call it that, that's the. you know, for lack of a better word. It's But, liberalism is goes. hand-in-hand with secularism. And. secularism in many ways is a sort of. abnegation of religion. Um in this case would be Christianity.

So, in other words, what I'm saying is. when when when Christianity was a. dominant force in Europe, none of this. would have happened. You can't. Christians were you know, were were wise. to Islam. They were they weren't cruel. to them, but you know, they they they're. not going to they knew what it was. about. They got it. They understood it. They resisted it. They fought it. But, once that left and and it was. supplanted with this idea that oh, religion is bad, especially Christianity. because as you mentioned, that's the. main thing. It's in the movies always. And movies of course are intentionally. made to mold how we think. That's always.

the case. People think it's just. entertainment. I'm sure they make money via. entertainment, but it's ultimately about. molding our epistemology and how we. understand the world. >> So then but but stay there. So, if if. it's liberalism, secularism, and movies. and Hollywood entertainment to shape the. mindset, who ran the entertainment industry? So, if the entertainment industry is ran by. they would say a lot of these Jews. Jewish executives, why would they paint a picture of. Muslims being the victims and the West. being the aggressor? Why would they.

paint a picture that way? >> Well, I think that's a very prominent. picture that that particular demographic. would want because it it serves them, too, because they're the minority and. they want you to think and remember and. believe that the medieval era when. Christianity was a force was a horrible. thing because look what it did to. everybody. It persecuted Jews. It. persecuted Muslims. That's why we need. Christianity out, okay, because it's. just a horrible a horrible force. So, yeah, I do believe that's a that's a. factor in. >> Okay. So so so I want to go to a bunch. of different places. For the average.

person that doesn't know, what makes you. qualify to speak on this and why did you. choose your career path to be a writer. and just study this topic? >> Yeah, um okay, so my family comes from. Egypt. I'm what's known as a Coptic. Coptic Christian, the original. inhabitants of Egypt who were native. Christians. I was born in the United States. And um. um I So, I grew up bilingual speaking. Arabic, and I also studied Arabic in um. in college. So, I know the language very.

well. >> Cal State Fresno, right? You went to. Fresno? >> go to Yeah, I went to California State. Fresno, but I also later on went to. Georgetown University, Catholic uh uh. University in America to study Semitic. languages. And um. all sorts of things, [clears throat] but. yeah, my primary education is at Cal. State University Fresno, where I majored. in history and also philosophy. And um I. got a master's degree, and I was always. interested in history and uh especially. pre-modern history, especially the. history that revolves around you know, it's normal to be interested in your own. people and your culture. So, I studied.

ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia. Um but I really started developing an. interest because of my Christian. background and my family's from Islam, um I was really interested in that nexus. of Islam and Christianity. And so, that became a focal point for me. So, my. master's thesis, when I was at Fresno. State, chaired by Victor Davis Hanson, he was he was a chair This is a long. time ago was the first major battle. between Muslims and Christians, which I. and and and I did it in a very scholarly. way based on Arabic and Greek texts, which I translated. Uh so, it it has a.

very academic field, but since then I've. been very much interested in that. connection, okay, historically. But for. a long time, then I worked at the. Library of Congress. I worked in the. Near East section, where I dealt with. all these Arabic books and all all the. languages of the Middle East, actually, including Armenian, Georgian, uh Syriac, and um. long story short, when I was there, I. found writings in Arabic by Al-Qaeda. This is when Al-Qaeda was a big deal. Uh. I found I found this in the around 2004. So, 3 years after 9/11. And because the.

Library of Congress gets all these books. from around the world. And most. >> Most pre-social This is pre-social. media. This is pre-chat GPT. This is. pre-all of that. >> card catalog days. >> So, this is brilliant. Like, you work. Was the motive of working there for you. independently to get smarter? >> Uh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was my. field of interest. I was at Georgetown. University studying Islam, uh, working. on a PhD. I got this job. It was an. internship at the Library of Congress. Then it became a full-time job. Then I. found, um, the writings in Arabic. They. were in a bin, just laying around. I'm. looking at these Arabic books. And all.

of a sudden I see, "Oh, Osama bin. Laden's the author. Oh, Ayman. al-Zawahiri, who was the number two, uh, is the author.". So, long story short, I actually went to. Victor Davis Hanson cuz we were still in. touch, as we are now. And I told him. about my my findings. And he connected. me with his, uh, literary agent. And I. got a book deal out of it, which became. The Al-Qaeda Reader, okay? And what was. important about that book, which I. wanted to get the message out, is that. before I came across these writings, um, Al-Qaeda had 9/11 happened. And Al-Qaeda. was sending all these communiqués that. were being disseminated by Western.

media, BBC, CNN. And in these communiqués, he would. constantly present his attack as a. product of, uh, reciprocal treatment. We. did that to you, 9/11, because of what. you're doing to us, the Muslim world. And he would list grievance after. grievance after grievance, okay? And the. grievances were anything from, uh, colonialism, uh, the Crusades, support. for Israel, of course, not signing the. Kyoto Protocol, call, um, you know, uh, blasphemy against, uh, Muhammad, people. speaking up, cartoons. It was.

everything, right? But what I found, and. why I wanted to translate was this. Arabic stuff that was directed to. Muslims. And it didn't mention any of. that. It sounded more like ISIS, okay? It was more kind of like, "They're. infidels. There's We have nothing to. talk about. Whether they're good to us. or bad to us is irrelevant. We have to. attack them according to the Quran. We. have to subjugate them, kill them, etc., etc." So, that anyway, I put all that. together and came out in a book, which. was the Al-Qaeda Reader, came out. finally in 2007. And then I continued. I went back to what I was interested in. I'm a Coptic Christian, and there's mass.

persecution going on of Christians. In. fact, just yesterday or the day before. Donald Trump was speaking before the UN, and he mentioned it. He actually I was. glad to hear him say it. He said, you. know, the the hypocrisy of the UN, they're trying to push for the human. rights of transgenderism by forcing, you. know, children to be mutilated, but they. won't say a word about something like. 400 million Christians around the world. are being persecuted brutally. Okay? So, I I ended up really focusing on that, and I wrote another book, the Crucified. Again, which came out in 2013, and that.

was based on. persecution. The subtitle is Exposing. Islam's New War on Christians. Okay? And. that book I don't know if it's out of. print, but it's supposed to come back to. be available on Kindle. Anyway, after that I started gravitating. back to my interest, my historical. interest, going back to my college days, and. that's when I started what's known as my. historical trilogy, writing these these. books. I wrote Sword and Scimitar, that. came out in. 2018, and that is the main book that I. really recommend because it looks at the.

subtitle is 14 centuries of war between. Islam and the West. And that's what I. do. I felt that there was this thing going. on where a lot of anti-Islam people, and there were many, were were always. making the doctrinal argument, okay? Which is to say, they would say, "Well, look at the Quran, what it says, and you. know, this this verse and the Hadith.". And I thought that's fine, I do that, too. But it was kind of a a superficial. argument in many ways because it was. always people were saying the same. handful of. >> Mocking the religion. >> No, mocking it on the one hand, but also.

trying to show how it's violent. Okay? So, they would quote, you know, the the. the various verses, which is good to. quote, I agree. But the reason I thought. it wasn't as effective, I think it's. good, and I still do it. I'm not against. people. actually pointing out and quoting the. Quran to show the violence or the. intolerance of Islam. But it because of of the responses would. be, "Well, what about the Bible? You. know, the Old Testament's full of. violence in Joshua and you know, genocides. And does does that mean. Christians and Jews are all involved in. all that?" So, that was one of the. arguments. So, that's why I wanted to. show, "Okay, so let's look at the.

historical record." And that's what I. did in this book, Sword and Scimitar. I. said, "Let's see how did Muslim Was it. Is Is jihad just something in the book. or did it manifest itself historically?". And in Sword and Scimitar, which is. basically a continuation of my MA. thesis, which was the Battle of Yarmouk, the first military battle, and it's. chapter one of the book. But, that book shows I go through from. you know, from the times of Muhammad up. until the United States founding. And I show you battle after battle, expansion after expansion, how it was. Muslims literally acting on the concept.

of jihad. And I look at their texts. So, I Most of the damning evidence comes. from their writings, where they present. what they're doing as a jihad, where. they boast of enslaving infidels, where. they boast of burning churches and and. breaking the cross. Of course, I also. quote from the Christian and European. side, as well, which corroborates what. they say. Um and the long story short in that. book, what you find out is what most. people don't know. You know this because. of your background like me. But, you. know, when you In the In the dawn of. Islam in the 7th century,

when Muhammad came into being and Islam. came into being, um if you looked at the world, Christianity, which was huge at that. time, most of Christianity or. Christendom was in North Africa in the. Middle East. Okay? People now, when they. hear the word Christendom, they think. Europe. It was actually the bulk of it. was from Morocco to Egypt, all of North. Africa, the Middle East was known as. Greater Syria, which encompassed all the. modern states today of Jordan, um. Lebanon, Israel, Iraq, and what we call. Turkey, Asia Minor. Okay? And then you. had Europe. But, that part of the world.

was was more Christian, more populated, and more advanced. This is why. Constantine the Great, the first. Christian emperor, moved the capital. from Rome to Constantinople, what what. what what came to be known as. Constantinople. >> [snorts]. >> And what people don't understand is that. whole region was conquered in 1 century. by Islam. So, from the year 632, which. is when Muhammad dies, till 732, 1 century, if you look at a. map, all of the Middle East, Persia, which was not Christian, it's Sasanian.

Persia, was conquered. All of the Middle. East that I mentioned, greater greater. Syria, that whole region, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, and Spain, okay, conquered. And I gave you the date. 732, 632 732, cuz in 732 you have the. pivotal Battle of Tours in in the middle. of France, where they're finally. stopped, okay? And they and and the. raids continue, but they get pushed more. or less south of the Pyrenees Mountains. into Spain, okay? And that's just the. first iteration of Islam. Now, when I mentioned that, a lot of.

historians they call that the great Arab. conquest. And if you read a a a sort of, you know, modern-day rendition or or historical. account of it, the Islam is not even in. the picture. They it's just raids and. Muslims just happen to it was a dynamic. conquest. When you look at the Islamic. sources as I did, well, it's presented. absolutely as a jihad. It's presented as. the commandment of Allah, we are. enforcing and doing what the our holy. book, the Quran, says, what the Hadith, what Muhammad proclaimed, and that's why.

we're doing this. And like I said, it's. full of what you would expect. Think of. ISIS, right, but on steroids, essentially. Like exponential. atrocities, where systematic destruction. of churches and synagogues, and what are. Buddhist temples, Hindu temples, when. they would go in the East. Mass. enslavement, mass massacres, okay? The Allah Akbar that we hear and we've. come to associate with terrorism, constantly, even in the writings. You. hear you have the Christians early on. they they they would say things like,

"Yeah, and they screamed that horrible. sound they always make." Because they. didn't understand what it was, but later. on they understand. So, I think it's. important to point out that this. conquest was literally seen by Muslims. and within his Islamic historiography, it's presented as a jihad. So, that's. what Muslims learn, that's what they. believe, okay? It's important to keep. that in mind, I think. Um and that's. just the first wave. So, and again, this. is all in my book Sword and Scimitar. Then, later on, you have what's known as. the Turks. They come in from the steppes. and they they come in as originally as.

slave soldiers. The Arabs bring them in, Islamize them and they make them really. powerful slave soldiers. Long story. short, they they they rise up in the. ranks and basically they control the. caliphates and the caliph is a puppet, but they're Sunni Muslims just like the. like the caliphs, the most of them. And. you have the Seljuk Turks, that's one. particular dynasty, which is which now. starts running, you know, amok all. throughout Asia Minor, okay? Which is. still primarily Christian. Remember, Asia Minor, Turkey, is one of the really. oldest Christian churches. This is where.

the Book of Revelation, Jesus is, you. know, talking to the various churches in. Asia Minor. Now, it's of course Turkey. It's almost 100% Islamic. And because of. these Turkic invasions in the 11th. century, and the sources, the way they talk about. what happened, the contemporary sources. written by Armenians, Matthew of Edessa, for example, literally he talks about. tens of thousands of Christians being. massacred, hundreds of thousands, women, children enslaved and being taken back. into the Islamic world. Uh systematic destruction of churches in.

one in Ani, which was one of the main. cities, or one of them was called the. the city of 1,001 churches. And every single church was desecrated. and torched during this time. And these. are the events that people don't know. led up to the First Crusade. >> So, why though? What's their why? I. mean, when you think about every single. Muslim majority country today, every one. of them, >> [snorts]. >> whether it's Iran, previous to that was. Zoroastrianism, right? Egypt, probably. Christian kind of like yourself. Turkey, Christians. Pakistan, Hindu and.

Buddhism. Bangladesh, same. Afghanistan, same. Iraq, Christian and Zoroastrian. Syria, Christian. Lebanon, Christian. Jordan, Christian. Palestinian. territory, majorly majority Christian. Some of them are in South America. Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Morocco, Sudan, Somalia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan. These are Muslim. majority countries that they came in and. now took over. They were not previously. to that. One is why. Two is the following. One has to sit there and say, "Well,

as much as some people fear. the Jews, or hey, what's their motive? What are they trying to do? They haven't. conquered countries the way the Muslim. religion has done, right? Why are they. doing it? And how are they so. successful? What's their strategy? >> Well, the difference is the main. difference between the Muslims and the. Jews is just first of all sheer number. and strength. The Jews, if they get accused of. anything, it's undue influence and. behind-the-scenes machinations, generally. Because they're. How can they look What are they 0.01% of.

the world? Islam is a physical force, right? It's We're talking about two and. growing, 2 billion people. Um so, Islam was always seen as a. physical, a real, tangible threat that. can come and conquer through sheer. numbers and take over your your land. All those countries that you mentioned. were literally conquered by force. I. spoke about North Africa and Middle. East, but you you you mentioned the. Kazakhstan and these How did they become. Islamic? It was through the same. mechanism, just violence and conquest.

India, people aren't aware of, you know, the conquest of India. by the Arabs. According to one well-known, reputable. Indian historian, I [clears throat] think his name is We. can look it up. Something called But he wrote a a very. methodical history, and he came up with. some insane number, like in five. centuries of nonstop jihad, something. like 100 million Hindus were killed. Okay? Just because they're not Muslim. All right? So, that is known. >> You you have the option to either join. us or we're killing you. Is that that's.

black and white? >> Yeah. >> And is that how it was from the. beginning? >> Yeah, so from the beginning according to. Islamic teaching, if you're if you're a. Hindu or a pagan, yeah, you're supposed. to either convert or die. But if you're. a a people of the book, a Christian or. Jew, you can actually pay tribute, jizya, and live as a second-class. citizen as I was mentioning earlier with. all these restrictions and you're. supposed to be humiliated as part of the. ritual. Um but but then it it became. elastic and later on even the Muslims. realized rather than keep slaughtering. these Hindus, let's get money out of it.

and they gave them the same status where. they could just pay and maintain their. religion. >> Did any one of them that converted. decide to retaliate against them? >> Well, yeah, there were there were often. times a a lots of. um. I'll tell you one interesting story. >> Successful retaliations. Except from. we'll get to Spain here in a minute. >> Yeah. >> I'm talking about these Muslim majority. countries, okay, that converted. >> That are still Muslim. >> That are still Muslim. Was there any. internal generals, leaders, defectors. that were like, "You know what? I'm sick. of what they did. You killed my dad. You.

killed my mom. You killed my wife. I'm. going to retaliate." Was there any. successful stories? >> No, they're not successful obviously cuz. they're still Islamic. But there. definitely were uprisings. Even the. Copts. >> Why did they Why did they fail? >> They Well, that's that's that that. question goes hand-in-hand with why were. the Muslims and the Arabs so so. successful in one century as to conquer. that humongous, you know, region that I. described, all of North Africa, Spain, and the Middle East. Um that that remains a mystery among. historians. The Muslim answer of course. is Allah was with them. And the. Christian answer, the historic Christian.

answer, is not unlike it because they. said, "Yes, Allah was with them because. he was punishing us for our sins.". >> Can you put that video up, please? Can. you put the video up that shows in 60. seconds, just turn off the audio. This. kind of paints a picture and I want you. to elaborate on this with the audience. Go forward. This is Spain. >> Mhm. >> So, Muslims take over and then gradually. >> Mhm. Spain fights against them. >> Right. >> Goes keeps going south until they retake.

Spain over, but at the end of the day. fatalities end up being around. >> Yeah. >> 7 million people. >> Yeah. >> So, maybe walk us through how did. Muslims Islam take over Spain and what. did Spain's do to recon- you know, reconquer their country? >> Spain in many ways is a very important. topic because it's a microcosm of what. we're talking about because it's a very. self-contained. environment of everything we're talking. about. It has it all the ingredients. It. has the Muslims, the Christians, the. conquest, and it has a very telling.

history that's very applicable actually. Every time I try to explain events. today, I can't help but come back to. Spain because there's. a relevant precedent to talk about. So, um as as we saw on the map and as I. pointed out, the Muslims the Arabs. invade um. with a massive Berber army. All Muslims though, they invade Spain in. 711 and essentially conquer it, okay? And but except for a small group of. Christians. So, there's a battle of. Guadalete in 711 where the actual the. king himself of Spain, the Christian.

king Visigothic king Roderic or Rodrigo, he also went out to try to stop them and. was killed and was one of really brutal. savage. battle. I talk about it at in Sword and. Scimitar. And then after that, there was a kind of like peace and a lot. of people started to submit to Islam. Like I said, you pay tribute, you don't. have to convert if you're a Christian, and. you can live in peace. One of them was. actually the he's the sword bearer of. the king that was killed. So, he's a a. noble and his name is Pelayo.

And I apparently he at first he agreed. to it and but then one of the governors. tried to basically rape his sister and. he resisted and then the governor said, "How dare you?" and tried to arrest him. and Pelayo fled and went up if you look. at the map of Spain, the Iberian. Peninsula in the northwest quadrant you. have the what's called the Asturian. mountains. Okay, very rocky region. And. he basically went up there and all the. other Christians who just did not want. to deal with the Muslims all went up and. hid in this mountain. And there weren't. very much. Um and at one point the a vast Muslim.

army came to put an end to it. And they had with them a. one of the many Christians who had. become, [clears throat] you know, submitted to Islam. So he's basically. talking on their behalf. His name is. Oppa. He might have been an arch a. bishop. And he goes up to the cave of. the mouth the mouth of the cave where. Pelayo and and these fugitives are. hiding and he says, "Look, you already. tried to fight them at the Battle of. Guadalete and you you know what. happened. The whole army got killed and the king. And you think you with your, you know, small band are going to make a. difference? Submit to Islam, you know,

bow the knee, take the knee, and think. good things will happen to you." And. it's a very interesting I have the quote. in the book, but he just it's really a. nice quote where he basically just. completely defies it. He says, "I will. not cooperate with these invaders. I. will not. Back then they don't call them Muslims, they're the Ishmaelites or, you know, the Saracens or whatever. And he says, "This mountain that you see here, we. have faith in Christ that this is the. mustard seed, the parable of mustard. seed, something small that grows. And. from this mustard seed. you know, the.

the freedom of Spain will be regained.". And lo and behold, so that's where the. Reconquista, the reconquest begins right. there. Very soon in the 8th century, not. not long after the Muslim conquest. And. as you saw in the map that showed, you. know, how many people were dying, it was. it started slowly coming south, right? So various kingdoms were developed next. from this, you know, mustard seed, Castile, um. Aragon and so forth. And they started. This is when you have the Reconquista. and this constant warfare back and. forth. And Muslims would constantly call.

for aid from Africa and you would get. these really brutal jihadists. Literally. jihad like just like ISIS. In fact, they. would dress like them, pure black, okay, with only their eyes showing. But they. were what the first iteration was the. known as the Almoravids. Um. Almoravids, which comes from an Arabic. word uh ribats al- al-Murabitun, which. means a ribat is basically the jihadists. who live and operate on the frontier. against the infidel. Okay, so they form. these bands. So, that's what these guys'.

name was. And they came there, they they. won various battles, but the Christians. persevered. So, it was a you know, it. was like an ebb and flow. They'd lose, they'd fight. As we saw, it was many. centuries. And then another even fiercer. group, Almohads, uh which comes from the. word um tawhid. Muha- Have you seen ISIS. when they do this? >> Mhm. >> Or any Muslim, well, that that's a. reflection of tawhid, meaning the. absolute staunch oneness of Allah. So, the Almohads were named after that. They. were a tawhidi basic ISIS organization.

They too came, engaged in all sorts of. atro- created pyramids of Spaniard head. heads. Uh you know, they would. You know, this even before that I didn't. tell you, but what they they they would. try to make the Muslims earlier after. the Paleo and the Mustard Seed, they. gave them some room for peace, but you. had they had to actually submit um as. they had to send 100 of the prettiest. virgin girls to the caliphates, okay, every year as as one as one kind of uh. tribute. So, that that's the sort of. thing that it was when there was peace.

And when there wasn't, there was what. I'm describing, okay? So, it went on and. on and on until. you know, long story short, in 12 uh 12. 12 you have a major final battle, Las. Navas de Tolosa, which is one of the. chapters in my book, and the Christians. finally prevail. And at that point, there's still is there's still a lot of. Islam in in Spain, but it's mostly in. the southern tip in Granada, okay? And. that's hard to conquer, and it's very. isolated, and basically kind of lives on. its own. until finally in 1492 uh. Ferdinand and Isabella, who basically.

unify the Spains, um they go and they. finally after. >> they unify them? >> Well, she was uh he he's from Aragon. I. think she was Castilian and these are. different kingdoms. This is why. historically when people say there is no. Spain, it was called the Spains cuz you. had different Spanish kingdoms and but. after with the marriage of these two, essentially it all became one. And. before that, Portugal also was created. Uh but anyway, they finally take Granada. and um and the Muslims Now, here's where.

it gets really you know, I'm almost done. with with the story, but then I'll show. you how all the how it connects it. today. They take Granada and they give the. Muslims who were like half a million, they give them the ability to just stay. Muslim, enforce your Sharia, but you. know, be good citizens, don't come and. wage jihad. >> They allow them to enforce their Sharia? >> On themselves in Granada, you know, and. the Christians aren't there. This is. like we're letting you stay, do your. thing. >> year, 1492? >> This is before 1492, okay? >> [snorts]. >> But the Muslims would constantly rebel.

and there'd be uprisings and they were. conniving and working with other. Muslims, the Barbary Muslims in North. Africa, the Ottoman Turks. So, they were. trying to subvert Spain back to. Islam. And that's when basically they. conquered it finally in 1492 and they. finally told the Muslims, "Okay, this is. Now, here's here's the interesting part. This is where they told the Muslims, 'Okay, you either convert become. Catholic essentially, or you leave the. country and go back to Africa where you. came from Morocco, right?'". So, a fatwa comes out. A fatwa is an. Islamic decree by a learned jurist. And.

this fatwa says, "Uh are you familiar. with the concept of taqiyya?". >> No. >> Okay, so taqiyya is well-known concept. It basically Long story short, it's in. the Quran. And what it is is it allows Muslims if. they feel they're under duress by the. infidel, they can conceal their. identity. They can. >> Oh, yes, yes, it's taqiyya. Yes. So, I. can I can. conceal and lie just to make sure I'm. able to. move the agenda forward. >> Okay, so it's it's primary a Muslim will. tell you, "No, no, taqiyya is about I I.

can lie and conceal my I can say I'm not. a Muslim. I can I can become baptized. I. can go to church and partake of. communion. But as long as my heart is. with Islam, it's okay. And I'm doing it. because you because if I don't, you're. going to hurt me. But you're right. It's. >> It's out of fear or it's out of. conviction? >> It's Well, taqiyya the word itself is. even connected to the concept of fear, okay? And it's so it's supposed to be. legally only if you feel you're under. duress. Having said that, there's other. many other doctrines and elasticity that. do allow Muslims to just lie in general.

if it's good for Islam, okay? And we can get into that. But strictly. speaking, if you want to use the word. taqiyya, it's meant to be only when you. feel like you're in danger. But that. doesn't negate the fact that there's. other teachings that do allow Muslims to. lie in general because the infidel. because they want to defeat the infidel. Anyway, the story's almost over. So they. get this they get this basically. decree you can do taqiyya. So all these. half million Muslims after being. threatened to convert to, you know,

Christianity or leave, convert. overnight. And they go to church. And. they partake of mass and communion. And. this goes on decade after decade. And it. reaches the point that the Christians. are like, "These people are better. Christians than we are." But in reality, at home they were still Muslims. They. were still working to subvert Spain. They. >> They committed decades of their. >> Decades. There's to manipulate? >> a quote in Sword and Scimitar from a. a priest, a Spanish priest who said, "These people, you know, I could we. couldn't believe it. They were better.

Christians than us." And. generation after generation, they would. teach their kids how to act, how to talk. to seem like ideal Christians. But at. home, they were jihadists, okay? So that. went on for all. >> What's the outcome of doing that? >> Well, the outcome. >> Convert them to their sect is that's. >> The outcome Well, they're doing that. because like I said, in the concept of. taqiyya, they're they're they're allowed. to stay Muslim and stay in Spain as long. as their heart is still with Islam and. they're working for the Islamic cause, then they can pretend to be Christians. because that's what they need to do not.

to get kicked out. Okay, so they're. doing that. Isn't there a risk of. somebody like remember back the one the. some say the second most influential. influential Muslim. uh Ghazali or. Ghazali who. uh he was worried at one point where a. lot of Muslims started studying math and. logic and geometry and philosophy. He's. like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, you guys are. starting to you know, you when you. become too logical you're going to. question what we're doing, what our. motives are. We don't need that. We want. you to just study Quran." So, weren't. they worried that some of it could rub.

off and they can actually truly convert. to Christianity? >> Yeah, that's that's been a concern then. and today. >> Okay, so even today um someone like. Sayyid al-Qutb who is one of the you. know, chief theoreticians of the Muslim. Brotherhood. He's Egyptian and he came. to America uh in the 1950s and he. basically was scandalized by how liberal. American culture was. Women and men were. freely talking and dancing. He goes back to Egypt and he writes all. these very influential tracts. And his. long story short, what he says is, "Okay, these Western people contrary to.

what we thought, yes, let's learn from. them science, technology, uh you know, anything that's useful for. a physically, but their culture is is is. crap basically and the only true culture. and civilization is to go back to. Islam." So, this has always been a. concern and and you find um emanations. of it historically as well including in. the concept of taqiyya. So, of course it. was a fear. uh if you know, well, you're going to. you're going to convert to Christianity, maybe you're going to become a real. Christian and maybe it even happened at. sometimes. But to the all I meant to the.

scholars, that was worth it because we. want to keep a base of Muslims in this. area and hopefully we can reconquer it. again. And we if we lose a few, you. know, to and they become Christian, well, that's their problem because Allah. will send them to hell eventually. Okay? So, anyway, finally the Christians find. this out and this is when they just. expel them and say, "Okay, so and by the. way, this is the context of the. Inquisition. Now, we hear about the Inquisition, right? It's this horrible monstrous. thing and even the Inquisition itself. now modern historians have shown you it.

was actually. if you were if you were a prisoner, you'd rather be tried by the Inquisition. than by a secular court. It was more. humane. But the context of the. Inquisition is because you had all these. people who pretended to be Christians, but they weren't and they were working. actively against the Spanish crown. So, they all got evicted, okay? Now, I'm I'm. told you this long story, but I want to. now show you how it's applicable to. today, all right? So, let's look at the. lessons. First, Islam invaded and. conquered. Christians tried to fight. back. It didn't work.

Finally, you have the the the mustard. seed. and they start the reconquest, okay? And. it's kind of like, you know, from being. from being at a great level, you start. from ground zero again. You have to. build up and we saw that map, right? And. it took literally for it starts in the. 8th century and it doesn't end until the. 16th century. So, we're talking about. 800 years. >> Mhm. >> And okay, and all those lives lost. >> 7 million, give or take, yeah. >> I think that's a conservative number, okay? And and so, that's what that was. the price of getting rid of Islam. And. we also saw, well, but there was this.

other issue where kind of like if a. Muslim comes and says, "No, no, I'm I'm. on your side. I'm a Christian." in this. context, that they could be lying and. they're actively working to support. >> What a what a. >> goes on today, by the way. >> In Spain? >> No, no, all over actually. Yeah, all. over the place. >> do do Spanish do Spaniards look at it as. it was worth uh um the lives of 7. million? How how do they view it? >> Well, it's well, today, this is what's. ironic. Spain, at least some of the. government there, you have so many. leftists, as they call them, who want to.

bring in Muslim migrants and you know, Muslims are doing the same thing over. again, you know, there's terrorist. attacks, there's desecration of. churches. >> their history. >> Because in many places it's not being. taught, just like it's not being taught. here, okay? There's a concerted effort. The and the I wrote these books in many. ways is because all this information has. sort of been banned. You know, when you. talk about we haven't even gotten to the. Crusades, but if if if we do, how they're. presented today is. literally the opposite of what they. were. And this is all intentional. I. always say that, you know, fake history.

is much more dangerous than fake news. because fake news is ephemeral. It does. its mischief and then it's gone, but. fake history creates these overarching. narratives in our mind and we see. reality through them. So, that's why. they're very dangerous. and they've been very much weaponized. and most people. this is what I was saying a lot of. people view are anti-Muslim or whatever. you can memorize a few Quran verses and. say see it's bad, but it's very hard to. do it from a historical point. You have. to go do all the research and know. languages and this and that. But having. done that you as I have you will find.

that yeah almost so much of what we're. told remember how I told you that Islam. just in the first century what it did it. conquered literally two-thirds of the. Christian world and they could that. continued as I showed you with the Turks. and what happened. And then you get a. historian like John Esposito who I I I. knew him in Georgetown University. well-known at the time he recently. passed away very old at the time, but he. he was you know, he's the editor of the. Oxford Encyclopedia of Islam for example. very prestigious thing. This guy writes.

in one of his books called Islam the. straight path. He says five centuries of. peaceful coexistence between Muslims and. Christians elapsed before the Crusades. came and ruined it all. Okay, so that. time that I told you about when there. was nothing but conquest he calls that. peaceful. coexistence. I didn't even tell you what. other the other things that happened in. in the year 1009. Okay, this is now. you know, still before the first Crusade. one caliph destroyed according to the. Muslim sources 30,000 churches because. that's how Christian that region was.

Egypt and Syria and he destroyed the. Holy Sepulchre the holiest site in. Christendom which is built over where. Christ is buried and resurrected. Okay, so that's so he He all that peaceful. coexistence and then the problem starts. with the first crusade. Okay, so that's. this is how history has been so. weaponized. >> What's what's the pattern? So to me, you. know, you. sometimes you hear people say, you know, they they start off with being peaceful. religious leaders. So, then they gain. power, then they use the military.

against you, right? Do you notice a. pattern of how they do to conquer. places? >> Yeah, yeah, and this is actually based. on the life of Muhammad and how the. Quran was revealed to him. So if you. look at the Quran amongst the scholars, the Muslim scholars, they divide it into. it's one Quran, of course, but they call. it there's the Mecca Quran and the. Medina Quran. What they mean by that is. Muhammad's life was mostly it begins in. Mecca. This is where he's born. Uh and. then he he goes to Medina, all right? And there's a difference. So when he's.

in Mecca, his early years and he's. preaching Islam, he's weak, he's. outnumbered, he's being mocked. No he. has very, very few followers. Most of. them are just relatives and friends. And he has no political power. whatsoever. During that time, he starts getting. revelations from Allah, which are in the. Quran. Um and this is where you get all. these peaceful verses, okay? Nothing. militant. It sounds These are the verses. that the Muslim apologist will. constantly quote to you, okay? Um and. there and there's so many of them. All. right. Then he goes to um.

and he also, you know, he wouldn't he he. even some of the verses are about not. fighting back. Sounds very Christian. Then he goes to Medina and he he becomes. essentially a warlord. And this is he. starts becoming more powerful. And at. that point he starts getting revelations. that now if you're attacked, you can. fight back. Then he gets really powerful and starts. conquering various tribes and then he. gets the final revelation, which is now. you have to go on the offensive. And he. does go on the offensive. So even if. someone doesn't attack him, you have to. go conquer them. All right. Now based on.

that, the ulama, the scholars. have come up with two views. One is uh. it's in Arabic it's called the Nasikh. wal Mansukh, which means the abrogated. and the abrogator, which means when you. look at the Quran, there because if you. don't understand this, the verses. contradict one another. Some verses. sound like pure bloodshed and murder, go. slaughter. Like 9:5 is known as the sword verse, and it's just basically whenever you. know, whenever the pagans lay lay in. wait in ambush for them, you know, attack them, kill them, enslave them. And then you have the the peaceful.

verses that I mentioned. So, they. concluded that the newer revelations. that came into Muhammad's life have. abrogated, which is to say canceled, the. older. So, the final word on the matter. is go on the offensive, okay? The other. view, which is very pertinent to today, is that okay, no, the whole Quran still. applies depending on your situation. So, if you find yourself in Muhammad's. situation. when he was in Mecca, outnumbered and. surrounded by infidels, yeah, you can. preach the tolerant verses. If you find. yourself now in a position where you're. stronger, then yeah, you you should go.

on the offensive and do the jihad, okay? And this actually has been. unwavering. I've seen this all the time. In Syria, I remember when ISIS came. about in Iraq, you had all these multiple stories of. Christians who basically said we lived. side by side with our Muslim neighbors. for, you know, generations. We've known. each other. We used to help them and. take care of them because they were. poor, the Muslims. And the moment ISIS. came, they completely betrayed them, and. you know, they put Remember the noon, like uh the N for Nasara, Christian. They they went and put it on the houses.

to to identify where the infidel. Christian lives. And this isn't just one. account, it's multiple accounts. So, and. this goes back to another idea in Islam, which is circumstance. Circumstance. dictates behavior. So, if you're weak. and outnumbered, I I'll I'll close with. a funny story I've given before. Um and. it it was me with me and a Muslim. colleague I when I worked at the Library. of Congress, you know, 20 years ago. And. uh. I basically I had this argu- I was. learning this stuff, and I was telling. him, and he he was like always moderate, claiming to be moderate, but I I saw a.

radical streak in him. I know better. And uh he would tell me I told him about. well, what about abrogation? What about. this? And the final word is you're. supposed to do jihad and this and that. And finally he got frustrated and I and. I made the point. I said the Mecca. verses are tolerant, but the Medina say. and then he threw his hands up and said, "Yeah, but I'm in Mecca.". So his point is I'm in the circumstances. of when Muhammad was in Mecca, weak and. outnumbered. So of course I'm talking. this way. >> Mhm. I got what an interesting thing to. say. So when outnumbered, seem peaceful.

>> Yeah. >> And what Okay, so do you see a pattern. of the same strategy that they took. in America or you know, parts of the. West taking place right now? >> What's happening now is I don't There's. no historical precedent to it because. historically what happened is the. Muslims would come and nobody was going. to capitulate to them, okay? Uh let's talk about the West for. example. Okay, the Christians of the. West fought back. Right? This is This is. what these books are. These are all.

constant warfare, constant battles, you. know, constant bloodshed and non you. know, non-stop war. Spain is just one of. the microcosms like I said, but it's all. around. Um. what's happening now though and we go. back to this your questioning like how. do our mind change? It It's It's all. being enabled, okay? So for example, I'll give you an idea. Uh. the word jihad is jihad in Arabic. It. used to be that people would translate. it simply as holy war. Old orientalists as they were known. scholars, they would just translate.

jihad into holy war. And that made sense. because that's what it was. It was. warfare in the name of Islam. But you will always get a lot of. Muslim apologists who will tell you, "Ah, you guys don't understand the. Arabic. It doesn't mean holy war. It. means striving, struggling, you know, for a good endeavor, striving to do. something.". And they're absolutely right, but that. also really underscores how dangerous. jihad is. Because so historically, if. you want to strive for Islam, you could. only do it through holy war Because. nobody was going to just give in to you, okay? But there's there's always been.

other forms of jihad, other forms of. struggling. And they have they give them, you know, jihad al-lisan, that means jihad of the. tongue, which means lying. Uh jihad. al-qalam, the jihad of the pen, which. means propaganda. Uh jihad al-mal, jihad. of money, which means I'm a rich Saudi, I I I finance, uh you know, jihadist. organizations. And uh they even have a. baby jihad, which is basically overwhelm. and flood the world with babies, all of. them named Muhammad. Which And if you.

look now in Europe, uh you have various. capital cities, then then the number one. newborn baby name is Muhammad, okay? So, >> [snorts]. >> but that wouldn't have happened. historically because that requires, in. this case, the West to be so appeasing. and accommodating. So, Europe would have not done that. Christendom did not do that. Nobody did. that historically. Indians and the. Persians didn't do it. Everyone fought. back. But it's happening now, and and. this, you know, the the soft jihad is. actually being successful only because. the brains of Western people have been.

so addled and, you know, primed to. accept it. To accept to to be naive and. just accept anything, and, you know, oh, he he just wants his religion. Oh, who. am I to, you know, all all that sort of. thing has made it very ripe for that. particular soft jihad to become even. more dangerous than the hard jihad. We're not worried about Muslims. conquering America with swords. It's not. going to happen. But it's happening. through stealth, uh surreptitiously, and through all. these various other forms of jihad, lies, propaganda. >> think they have any intention of. long-term taking over US?

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one would have thought Turkey, Asia. Minor, would become Turkey, okay? And. these things happened very slowly and. gradually and through conquest and slow. conversions because the Christians or. whoever was being subjugated they got. tired of paying tribute or couldn't. afford it or got tired of being. mistreated and they all converted. So, you have to remember that this the the. jihad, the conquest This is not an. overnight thing. It it If you step back. and zoom out and you look, it's a very. slow, gradual thing. Now, in the West, it's happening through, like I said, a. sort of replacement, a demographic.

change. I think it's more noticeable. Let's Let's talk maybe about Europe, Western Europe, where okay, for the. longest time, historically, as I showed. in these books, the Muslims tried to. conquer Europe through force and they. got very far. In the West, they got to. France. In the East, they got to Vienna, right, in 1683. America's first war, keep in mind, as a nation after. independence, was with Muslims who were. operating exactly like ISIS, pirates. They're known as Barbary pirates and. they actually. would capture American vessels, sailors,

enslave their crew. And I have a great. quote in my book, Thomas Jefferson at. the time was an ambassador and he met. him and John Adams, they met with. one of the the ambassadors from Barbary. and to try to negotiate a release of the. American sailors. And Thomas Jefferson, he writes a letter. to Congress describing what happened in. the meeting. And he says, "We told this. guy, the ambassador, one Abdul. something, that why don't we just cooperate? Let's. be friends. We can do trade and. business, you know, why are you. attacking us?" And literally, this guy.

says, "Because our holy book, the Quran, calls you an infidel. Our holy prophet, Muhammad, says. >> Thomas Jefferson. >> Yes, we have to attack you, enslave. you." He basically paraphrases that. verse I told you, Quran 9:5. Where's the. >> documented this exchange with Jefferson? >> Well, it's in my book. I can read it to. you, but it's it's in Congress. They. have it. It's a letter that he sent. >> You found this in the Library of. Congress. >> Yeah, yeah. It's No, no, it's I can You. want me to read you the paragraph? >> Absolutely. >> you the little paragraph. Um, because and why I think this is very. interesting is because, you know, people. don't realize that.

Here it is. All right, so Jefferson and John Adams, they met with Tripoli's Tripoli's. ambassador to Britain, Abdul Rahman, in an effort to ransom the enslaved. Americans and establish peaceful. relations. So, in a letter to Congress. dated March 28, 1786, we still have the. letter, the American ambassadors laid out the. source of what was provoking the. animosity of these Muslims, the Barbary. States. So, he writes, quote, This is. Jefferson talking now. We took the. liberty to make some inquiries. concerning the grounds of their.

pretensions to make war upon nations who. had done them no injury. And we observed. that we considered all mankind as our. friends who had done us no wrong, nor. had given us any provocation. The. ambassador answered us that it was. founded on the laws of their prophet, that it was written in their Quran that. all nations who who should not. acknowledge their authority were. sinners. He may He probably used the. word kafir, infidel. That it was their. right and duty to make war upon them. wherever they could be found and to make. slaves of all they could take as. prisoners. And that every Muslim who.

should be slain in battle was sure to go. to paradise. That's pure ISIS, right? >> And what year is this? >> This is 1786. >> That's unbelievable. >> This is well over a thousand years since. the jihad that I described in this book. This is why it's it's at the end. And. here you have the same exact logic that. ISIS would say and that we're told. today, "Oh, that's not Islamic." The it. permeates the whole book, right? From. the very beginning, this is how the. Muslims were talking to the Byzantine. emperor. The Muhammad talked to him this. way. And here we are at the end, literally 1,200 years later, and they're.

still talking that way. And what I very. Most people are not aware of this, but. if you look up Quran 9:5, that is what this man, which is the. sword verse, that is what this Muslim. was was paraphrasing. Okay? Because he. says that um you know, the ambassador. answered us that it was founded on the. laws of the prophet written in the Quran. that all nations should not who have who. don't acknowledge our authority were. sinners. That means if you're a. non-Muslim and you don't submit, you're. a sinner, you're an infidel. And here it. is, that it was their right and duty to. make war upon them wherever they could. be found and to make slaves of all they.

could take as prisoners. And here's. Quran 9:5. Commands um when the sacred. months have passed, kill the polytheists. wherever you find them. Capture them, besiege them, and sit and wait for them. at every place in ambush. So, he was. paraphrasing the sword verse, which as I. was telling you is the one that has. abrogated all the peaceful verses. So, you see how ironclad this is from. from the beginning to the end? Um but. we've lost this knowledge. They don't. want to People don't know this anymore. And uh we're told an opposite story. We. haven't even begun to talk about the.

Crusades. And that, for example, has. been so demonized through the fake. history to make Christians feel like. they owe Muslims. What did you major in? What was your major in? History. >> History? >> Yeah. >> And specifically Islam or history? >> Uh well, my master's thesis was Islam. and and Christendom and Christianity. >> And did did any professor in school. teach you this exchange with Jefferson, or you have to find out about it later. on when you went to library? >> No, no, almost everything I found is my. own research. What if it was when I was. in Georgetown especially, they were. trying to teach a very fluffy version of. Islam. In fact, I had some conflicts.

there. Georgetown, you know, when I was. at Victor Davis Hanson at Fresno State, that there was more freedom of thought. there. But when I went to Georgetown, I. didn't understand this at the time. I. was very young. I didn't understand. about how politically correct and. wokeism permeate. But, Georgetown. especially was, you know, getting I. think it still does, millions of dollars. from Saudis. Uh so, it was very much compromised and. they did not like what I was saying and. what I was writing. Um and I would get. reprimanded. I still got A's, you know, but it was That's one of the reasons I. had enough and essentially stopped going. there. >> So, so again, if you're going back to.

the West, right? If they're if Cutter is. spending $7.4 billion into our. universities. China's number two has 6.3. billion, right? What what are they. trying to do? Are they're trying to. rewrite history? Cuz when you think. about the model of communism, what is the first thing that they do? They get rid of all the books and they. get rid of any material that says. anything bad about communism, and they keep anything that says. anything good about it, right? So, there's a similar model that some say, you know, communist took that playbook. from Islam when they came in, right?

Yeah. Was there Was there a moment. where, you know, you're you're asking. yourself, "What's What's their motive? How are they seeing this money that. they're putting in? Is it Is there an. outcome? If I make an investment into a. property and I'm buying 1,000 acres of. land in a city in Arkansas, I have to. have an outcome. I'm planning on. building XYZ." Why are they spending so. much money? What is their outcome? >> Well, especially when you realize, okay, I mean, here I'm looking at Saudi prince. uh donates 40 million to Okay. Think of the culture and the society and.

the civilization of Saudi Arabia, okay? Very draconian and very Sharia-minded, okay? Or Qatar, same thing. Or China, they're not Sharia, but these are not. These are not patrons of the arts, okay? These are not people who just want. intellectual freedom to flow and they're. just giving money. Obviously, they're. giving money for a reason because they. want to influence what's being taught, okay? And that That's what I was telling. you about Georgetown. I experienced it. firsthand because it was receiving I'm. looking at it right now. It got nearly. 1.1 billion from the Qatari government.

since 2005. And I was there actually, right around 2000, I think, four. And when they were getting even more. money. So, that impacts, obviously, how. they present Islam. And how do they. present it? Well, I just showed you that. John Esposito, he was the head of that. center, and he's the one who says, "Oh, before the first crusade. >> along. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Five centuries. >> the first crusade, Muslims and Christians were living in. peace and harmony. When it actually was. was like like I said, ISIS on steroids for three, four.

centuries. >> Let me ask you, if if we just judge it. based on success, one has to say they've. been successful. If you you just judge. it on success of expansion, one would. say they've been successful. So, now. then the question becomes, the founder. of it is Prophet Muhammad. How has he. been so successful at spreading his. message worldwide? >> [clears throat]. >> You know, I think. I think the the what makes Islam very. successful, and this isn't an original. idea to me, it's actually a lot of.

Christian theologians, historically, not. today, but I mentioned them in the. books, was basically what the genius of. Muhammad is that he basically created a. religion that catered to man's most. primordial desires and lusts, okay? So, he basically created a religion that So, this is what they would say. They would. say that the Christians would say the. reason Islam is so popular amongst these. people is it's the easy religion. Today, we have the conception that it's so. hard. It's actually not. It was easy. because, okay, all you have to do is say.

a few words. Now, you can be a pirate. and a plunderer, and you can go fight, and you can go kill, and you can rape, and you can enslave, okay? And you could. get rich. And you either get all that, and if you die, well, you get the same. stuff in heaven. Because you're going to. go straight to heaven, okay? The. greatest martyr is the one who dies in. the jihad, and he goes to heaven where. he has non-stop sex with supernatural. women, known as houris, okay? And this. is all in the Quran. This is Islamic. doctrine. So, to the simple Bedouin. mentality and other nomadic people,

this was very appealing. And also, the. other genius of Muhammad is what he did. is he took his tribalism, right? Arabia, 7th century, immensely tribal. And he rearticulated it in a way that he. basically threw a theological paradigm. So, tribalism is, you know, you and me, okay, we're brothers and everyone's our. enemy, right? And that's tribalism. We're one tribe and everyone out is. we're hostile against them. Or and they keep extending and you and. me and well, then our cousins also and. etc. Okay. So, he took that idea, which was just.

innate to tribal peoples like the Arabs, but he changed it subtly and he said, "Okay, so now. that your loyalty, and that that's the. word in the in the Quran, is to fellow Muslims. And as far as. non-Muslims, you you have to hate them. and you have to disavow them. Even if. they're your fathers and your brothers. and your sons and your wives." And he. said, "This is in the Quran." Okay, so. he made a. very distinct line, just like tribalism. does. Tribalism is very distinct. It's. us against them. But now, us became.

Muslims, the ummah, as it's known, and. them became the kuffar. And it didn't. matter if they're your relatives or not. You know, many caliphs and companions of. Muhammad in the various wars were. praised because they killed their. relatives who were not Muslim, because. that that's what made them enemies. So, that idea became very popular and very. it resonated with. tribal people. So, first the Arabs, but. then the Turks also, who came from the. steppes. Like I said, these are these. are nomads. And also, lots of the. Mongols, some not all of them, but some.

of them converted to Islam, the Berbers. in North Africa. So, the idea was that. these these nomadic people, this nothing. changed because their life was about. raiding the other, enslaving, and. killing, right? And plundering. So, Islam gave them gave those people the. same right to do all that. So, it fit. very normally. And at the same time, it. was even better because now, oh, if I. die, I'm a holy martyr and I get more of. this in paradise and whereas to be a. Christian was hard. Christianity, you're supposed to curtail.

your violent impulses. You're not. supposed to go rape and that sort of. thing. So, that I think is one of the. reason that explains its popularity then. and now. >> It's weird to just have that make it. this big. But, who was Prophet Muhammad? >> Who was he? >> Who was he? >> Well, he was. he was born from the Quraysh clan in the. dates that are given for him are 570. He's born there. He was an orphan raised. by his uncle. and then, you know, sometime around, I. think 610, he starts.

getting. revelations. So, he supposedly goes to a. cave where the angel Gabriel appears to. him and tells him Iqra and which means. recite. Okay? Now, it means read, but it meant. basically recite because he was ignorant. to or illiterate. And he would. supposedly recite what Gabriel was. telling him, which became the Quran. I'm. giving you the Muslim version because. the non-Muslim version, the scholarly. Western version says all of that is. nonsense. There's even one theory that. Muhammad never existed, that he was made.

up by Arabs because they needed some. backstory for themselves. I personally. believe I I by and large I believe the. Islamic traditional. >> What is the So, what is the Western if. you want to go a little bit deeper? What. is the Western. idea of. who Prophet Muhammad was? >> Well, it's it's not consistent. Some. would agree with the traditional Muslim. I think most people would. But, there's different theories about, okay, well, actually because if you look. at the traditional Islamic canon, we. have so much information about Muhammad.

The Hadith is supposed to be what he. said and what he did and people recorded. it through oral traditions and then it. gets sifted for its authenticity and. there's like literally volumes, thousands and thousands of pages of what. he said and what he did. Okay? Now, and. there's the Sira, which is the biography. of Muhammad, also very thick and. compendious. Now, if you take all that. at face value, then we know more about. Muhammad than anyone from the 7th. century, that's for sure. But, modern. Western historians will tell you a lot. of that is just not accurate. It was.

Some of it is outright forgery, and one. French school of thought says he did he. never even existed. Okay? That this he. was made up. I don't. >> How was he able to persuade and win over. so many people? What was his tactic? >> Well, his tactical. his initial tactic Okay, so it didn't. work. >> his enemies, to his to his allies, to. his followers. >> Well, okay, so as we saw when he was in. Mecca, he didn't persuade much of anyone. because he had no power. So, it was only. when he became powerful that he was able. to persuade people, and he persuaded.

them by literally putting the a sword to. their throat and saying, "Join me or. die." I mean, that's what it was. To be. a Muslim, the the word Muslim, it's an. Arabic word, and Islam. You know, now they have a pious veneer. Oh, I'm a Muslim and Islam. All they. mean, Islam just meant it comes from the. same Arabic word for submit. Okay? And. the Muslim is one who has submitted. Well, what are you submitting to? Well, initially you were submitting to the. sword of Muhammad. You were saying, "Okay, I'm going to join your bandwagon. I'm going to work for you. You're my. captain." Okay? But, it also came to.

mean. in in the Islamic context, "I'm. submitting to Allah through Muhammad. because Muhammad's his representative. He's his viceroy. He's the spokesman for. Allah." So, so Islam means submit to to. to Allah, which in effect meant submit. to Muhammad, and a Muslim is someone who. sub mits to Allah, which again in effect. means he's submitting to the teachings. of Muhammad. Okay? So, there was nothing. really special or pious or holy about. that word. Um only now we ascribe that that to it. >> It's very hard for me to believe that a. a simpleton man like that with the sword.

build the the second biggest religion in. the world. It's very hard to comprehend. >> Well, it depends on the paradigm. >> know, you like you know, sometimes when. you see pictures of a Jesus and it looks. like a white guy, just a nice guy. What. a nice guy. He would never lose his You. know, he would never go do anything. And. then there's documentation of what he. looks like. >> Yeah. >> And this guy was a driver. He was. intense. He had certain moments that he. would push people around. You're not. just going to be a peaceful man at that. era, and that's all it was for. You had. to be tough. So, what what do we as.

Westerners get wrong about Prophet. Muhammad because we have our own set of. blind spots? >> Uh well, I don't get anything wrong, and. I don't think you are, but we as in. Westerners in general, um again, it's. the the our blind spots is okay of of. I think again, the the main premise is. this total misunderstanding of history. and seeing the opposite of the of the. truth, okay? So, the idea is okay, if. there's anyone bad, it's it's it's. Christianity, okay? This has been. ingrained in our thoughts, as we. mentioned earlier.

And if any you know, it's also connected. Have you Are you familiar with the the. noble savage myth? >> Mhm. >> [laughter]. >> So, this is uh this comes into being. it's uh basically when Americans are or. Europeans are. entering America and colonizing it, and. before long, the natives, the Indians, Native Americans, become romanticized and amongst people. they're the they're the noble savage, which is yes, they're you know, they're. they're impoverished, they they're poor, but they live off the land, they're. honorable, they're clean, you know, they're not corrupt. And I think that.

So, that idea. has also come to I think apply to every. non-Western person. If you're brown or. black or yellow, you have this sort of. romanticized veneer, which I think also. applies to Islam, the way it's presented. often. So, all of these, you know, like. I said, these warped ideas have just. become solidified in our head, and you. know, we in in 1999, a group of because. it was the 1000th um. it was I think the 1000th uh. anniversary of the conquest of Jerusalem.

by the Crusaders, which was in 1099. Um. and uh so, I don't know that. I guess that would make it 900 years. Anyway, a bunch of Germans, Christians, did a. mass walking pilgrimage to the Islamic. world wearing shirts in Arabic saying, "I'm sorry." Okay? Because they're. apologizing for the First Crusade. And. again, so that just shows you they have. no idea what the First Crusade is. I. didn't get into the point that the First. Crusade was actually a response to one. of the worst emanations of Islamic. atrocities against Christians that were.

going on at the time. Okay? So, people. don't know that and they feel we have to. be accommodating to the other. We have. to be nice to Muslims. Look what we've. done to them historically. And it's. actually the opposite. It's Muslims did. horrible things to you historically and. those evil Crusaders were actually. trying to write that wrong. So, a lot of. it, like I said, is historical amnesia, but it's also these warped philosophies. that come especially into the '60s, you. know, the left what we call the left, okay? Which is just this, you know, kind. of Western civilization, Christianity,

that's the source of all evil and. everyone else is good and now it's our. job to make up for it and apologize. >> What What do they fear? What What does. the religion of Islam fears that the. world figures out? What is their enemy? What is their fear? >> I think at this point it's just amazing. I don't I I think the the Muslims have. so much contempt for Western people. I'll give you an example. Um, it used to. be when you have Christians and Muslims. um have like a interfaith dialogue, the. Muslims would come and they would. [snorts] talk about they would use the. Mecca Quran, okay? They would quote the.

peaceful, tolerance, favorable verses. Just a few days ago this month in. Belgium, a uh a church, Catholic church, uh invites. uh invites uh a muazzin, you know, a. Muslim to recite from the Quran right. before Holy Mass for them, okay? And I. listened to it in Arabic and he he. literally chose a verse that's all about. attacking idolatry and saying it's evil. And the these Christians, probably if. they know what he's saying, will think, "Yeah, I agree with you, idolatry is. evil." They don't realize that he's.

actually pointing to the crosses, the. statues, the icons in that Catholic. church. And he's basically making a. statement. So, my point is Muslims have. become very, emboldened. And it's it's it's just it's. a reaction to how craven Christians have. become. I call it doormat Christianity. It's this idea that to be a Christian, I. have to just lay down and. >> Well, what do they fear? They have to. fear. >> The Muslims? >> Muslims. What do they fear? What is. their concern? What do they worry that. they don't want you to know about?

>> Well, I think they fear that Westerners wake. up. If Westerners wake up and know what. I know, what I'm saying, yeah, that. won't go well for them. Simply because it's so easy, like I. said, physically and materially they're. weak right now. I'll give you an. example. Okay, are you you're probably. familiar in Europe of all the you know, the the problems that Western Europe is. having with Muslim migrants and Muslims. in general. In Great Britain, in France, in Sweden, in Germany. And now it's. you know, the Sweden has become like the.

rape capital of the West. And in all. those countries, crimes have just. skyrocketed. based on the influx of Muslims, okay? But guess what? There's countries that. like Hungary and Poland that don't have. this problem whatsoever. Why? Is it. because Muslims didn't want to invade. them? No, it's because those governments. said, "No thanks. We don't want it." So, it was that simple. So, if this is what. I mean. We're still in a point where. Islam is actually weak. But if Western. leaders and Western. >> They're weak right now? >> Physically, of course. Imagine if the.

Western world had a jihadist mentality. and said, "Okay, we are at war." I know, but I'm saying if they did, they could. obliterate the Islamic world. I know, and I'm not I don't want it to happen. >> That won't That [clears throat] won't. happen. So, so then which of the. denominations of Christianity. are more aware of the history than. others? And which one is a little bit. naive? >> If I were to put them in order, I would. say the Orthodox is the best aware, and. then second would be the Catholic, and. then third would be the Protestant. And. the reason for that is the Orthodox are.

the ones who literally live very our. neighbors to Muslims, Eastern Europe, right? Greece, these are countries Russia that. dealt with the you know the brunt of the. Islamic invasions. If you look at Egypt. and Syria, those are Orthodox. Christians. Armenia is Orthodox, okay? So they know you know they know all. about it. The Catholics because they. have a long historical memory and most. of the wars and the crusades were. Catholics of course. So they too. understood Islam. In this book Defenders.

of the West I I chronicle eight lives, the lives of eight Christians and I. didn't pick I didn't pick it. intentionally. I just wanted to get the. best you know heroes as I call them and. seven of the eight are Catholic, okay? So but that's because that was it, you. know Catholicism was really at war. The. Protestants like I said they're the. latest, they're the newcomer and the. problem is part of their you know their. founding. um. stories is to that Catholicism is. horrible and therefore the enemies of.

the Catholics maybe we're actually not. so bad. Who are they? Well they were the. Muslims. And like I said this is why. even in the early years you had. Protestants working hand in hand with. with Muslims. This is why I also believe. if you look at historically Protestant. nations they're the ones with the. biggest Muslim problem, right? Britain, Scandinavia, Sweden, Germany. They they. really have the issue and I think it's. because they're the most clueless about. Islam. So. but again there's good ones in all the. religions. There's there's smart. Protestants and there's. >> Who gets them the most?

Forget about non-Christian, who gets. them? Who knows their playbook and their. vision. the most out of all the religions in the. world? Who understands them the most? >> Um well themselves obviously. >> Outside of them. >> Yeah. Out of all the religions? >> Out of all the religions in the world, who's out there to say. we know exactly what their playbook is, We know exactly what they're doing. >> I would probably say Jews know best. >> Tell me why. >> Well, I mean, they have their issues. with them. They live in the area. Um.

they're. they tend to be smarter in general. Uh. not naive. Um again, I'm not It's a. sweeping statement to make about a whole. people, but if if I were to say one. religious group that gets But of course. there's liberal Jews as well who who who. would who who would say the exact. opposite. No, we. >> love Islam. Okay. But if you're asking. me if I have to pick, um. it wouldn't you know, it wouldn't be the. Christians. Um well, like I said, it. might be the Orthodox, might be the. Catholics. Not their hierarchy, uh.

especially the Catholic hierarchy. because it's very pro-Islamic, it's very. diplomatic. But if I talk to a Catholic, they know. Okay, if I talk to an. Orthodox, they know. But I also think if. I talk to a Jew, yeah, they know, too. >> I wonder. I wonder what. >> And Hindus, too. I mean, there's a lot. of Hindus who like I told you, there was. that Yeah, Hindus, there was that. massive There was that massive. bloodbath. They There There's no people. who suffered more uh and were massacred. more in the name of jihad than the. Hindus. Okay, over the centuries.

They They too know a lot about this. But. again, it's it's hard to make a you. know, a categorical statement about a. whole people, but you you'll find. amongst them a lot who are. >> Best case scenario, worst case scenario, what happens by 2050? 25 years from now, what happens? >> Well, if you look at you know, Pew Pew. polls and about demographic changes, it. shows that even if you stop migration in. certain Muslim German certain European. countries, there's going to be eventually a Muslim. a significant massive population and.

it's going to essentially possibly even. be the majority of certain countries. I. think Germany was one that I remember. seeing in one one study that said. something like by 2070. would be like half Muslim. And the thing is the over at that point, all right? At that point, um. it's. let's put it this way, places like. like Britain have I don't know, they say. less than 10 million 10%. They say. I. think let's say 10%. And look at the.

problems that are happening there. So, if that reaches if that becomes 50%, yeah, I think they're done, okay? Because first of all, they're not. allowed to fight back. They don't want. to fight back, a lot of them. They've. already capitulated one way or other, they're demoralized. And the Muslims are. very aggressive, very assertive, very. confident, okay? So, just 20-30% would. be a game changer. So, something like. 50, so that's why even Muslims. themselves boast and say, [snorts] "We. don't have to do anything except just. keep having sex and have babies." That's. one of their claims, okay? And. are they wrong? No, they're not wrong.

because again, again if the problem is. too many Western people are myopic. They. just they care about the moment and they. look at things and go, "It's not that. bad." But if you like I said, I I I'm a. historian. I look at things from a long. view and no, that the these conquests. that I'm talking about, a lot of them. didn't happen overnight. It was. gradual. It took centuries of. infiltration and subversion and that's. exactly what we're seeing today. But people because again, they're. fixated on the moment, they can't step. back. They're not thinking about what's.

going to happen to their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren. >> So, mathematically, purely. mathematically, it's inevitable that it. eventually happens. >> Well, mathematically. >> Well, Western people are in a decline. birth rate, okay? And the Muslims are. having a lot. So, math yeah, mathematically, given enough time and. that's why there's they boast that we. will conquer you without anything. We're. just going to take over overwhelm you. There's nothing you can do about it. Well, I mean, there's like I mentioned, there's the countries that just can say, "We don't want you here." Like Hungary.

and Poland, that was something to do. But these Western countries, even if. they stop migration, a lot of them want. remigration. I don't think that's very. plausible. I don't think they have the. the spine to do something like that. So, they're always going to have a Muslim. population there, which is probably. going to be outbreeding them. Which. means, yes, it might take a long time, maybe 100 years, but just based on that. alone, without them doing anything. illegal, they will take over. >> Where Where have they failed the most to. try to infiltrate? What countries and. why? >> Muslims? >> Muslims. So, think China, Russia. Where.

have they failed to infiltrate? >> Basically, every everywhere The only. place this is happening is in the West. The West has been primed for this. It's. been so weakened. It's. It's It's amazing. I was uh I was in. Greece and um they were telling me all. these Muslims come there and I thought. they they would have a um, you know, Islamic migration problem, but he was. telling me, "No, it's not so bad because. they come there, they don't want to stay. there. They want to go to Germany. They. want to go to a Scandinavian country. They want to go to Belgium because. that's where they can get all the. money." And they're going to So, it's. not just that they're These aren't. refugees just hoping to make it to some.

Western country. They have a plan. They. want to go to the rich country that's. going to give them everything they want, okay? So, that kind of situation doesn't. exist outside the West. There's no uh. non-Western nation that's going to do. that for Muslims and that's why they. don't go there, okay? That's why they're. going to the West because it's just ripe. for conquest. It's doing everything. possible to kill itself. And uh the. Muslims I I don't know, I can't blame. them. They're exploiting the situation. to their advantage. >> Have they failed in China? Have they. failed in Japan? Have they failed in. some of those countries and if yes, why? >> They If you're comparing it to what's.

happening in the West, absolutely they. failed. And the reason why is because. those countries are not idiots. They're. not naive. They're not going to be taken. over by the soft jihad, the one about, "Oh, human rights." And "Oh, we have to. help Muslims." "Oh, look at our crimes. historically." They don't think that. way, okay? Cuz they're normal. Their. brain hasn't been adulted by generations. of. >> You're saying they're normal? >> Of course. >> Tell me more. >> Because they're not They don't think the. way we think. Uh which is not We, you. and me, the Western way, which is it's. my job to take in, you know, millions of.

Muslims and it's my job to appease them. and it's my job to suppress my religion. and culture and heritage lest I offend. them. Nobody outside the West thinks. that way, okay? Especially Muslims, of. course. Uh and that's why the West is dying. And. that's why China is doesn't have this. problem. India is not going to have this. problem. Uh it's only in the West that Muslims. are focused because that is the weak. victim that is easily exploited. >> Can you go a little bit deeper why they. failed to expand in countries like China. and India?

>> Because okay, and this goes back to what. I'm saying, Muslims are weak, which. means they're not going to expand in any. of these countries the way they did. historically. The way history The way. Islam expanded historically was with the. sword, okay? That was it. And now a. country like China or India, they're not. they can't go in with the sword and. conquer. So, and but they can't do that. in the West either. So, why are they. doing it in the West and not in China? Because the West is allowing them. And. this is one of my main mantras. Everything that's happening to the West. by Muslims is 100% being enabled and um.

the way's being paid for them by Western. policy, by Western politicians, by the Western. by the academics who prime our mind into. thinking this way, uh being receptive to. and apologetic to, uh and wanting to appease Islam. All of. that None of that exists outside the. West. It's uh it's insanity, actually. >> Yeah, this this concept I read somewhere. where. they [clears throat] they tried to and. I'm trying to see if it was Japan or if. it was China.

They tried to spread the word and they. tried to expand and there was no. interest and it wouldn't land at all. >> Yeah. >> Culture like, "Ah, there's nothing we. can do with the Japanese people." I. don't I don't know which one it was. It. was one of them. And I wonder why. Is it more. the pride? Is it more knowing? Is it. more like this is not a serious. religion? Or is it. What the reasoning is like? >> those people have pride, confidence, and. a desire to maintain their own. civilization, okay? The Chinese They're.

It's only in the West that you have this. idea that I have to accommodate the. other, okay? You're So, in the West, oh, I have to give you the same rights. You. have to have your mosques. Oh, I better. not talk about Christmas. It might. offend you. Oh, I better not do this, that. Okay, that mentality, which is. sick, doesn't exist outside the West. You're not going to go to China and say, oh, I expect you guys to, you know, don't offend me and you have to like. make room for my ways. Nobody's going to. do that. Muslims are not not going to do. that for you, okay? Hindus are not going. to do that for you. And rightfully so.

So, the problem is that these countries, because Islam is inherently weak on the. one hand, and these countries, well, this is our way, this is our country. What do you want? And Islam can't force. its way, it makes no inroads. In the. West, Islam is again inherently weak, but the West is in is weak um. on a metaphysical level, which means. they just they they're they've they're. capitulating left and right, okay? There. was another, if you're if you're not. aware, in the Church of England, the. Anglican Church, just a couple of weeks. ago, they give you they gave an award.

some. about cooperation and tolerance or. something, and the award's named after a. crusader, right? And they give it to a. Muslim cleric. On 9/11, the ceremony was. on 9/11, September 11, and this cleric, it turns out, wait, this cleric, it. turns out, was a fan of bin Laden and. praised bin Laden, okay? And it was only. after a massive backlash that the, you. know, like a week later, they took the. award back from him. But. this is what I mean. And And the.

Archbishop is a woman, of course. This is what I mean by the West is just. primed for conquest. Everything about it. is just it's opening its door. It wants. to be essentially raped and dominated, and Muslims see that, have a sense for. that, and they're coming in to take. over. And And what are And a lot of. people are noticing it. A lot of people. are angry. I don't know if you saw in in. England, um so, after the people made. their will known, which is no more. migration, we want remigration, and. after the authorities were more or less. saying, "Okay, well, you know, just.

appease the people." Then it turns out. there's video footage of in France, French authorities escorting an illegal. boat of migrants, escorting them at. night across the channel into Britain, even though Britain supposedly pays them. like a billion pounds to make sure that. the. the crossings are clear. And then. they're met by an English authorities. who will bring them on the shore and. give them food and and shelter. To the. point that English people have to come. and riot and fight saying, "What are you. doing? You're breaking the law." because.

they are. But then those English people. are demonized, patriots essentially, in the media as, you know, they're racist, homo, or. Islamophobes, you know, the whole nine. yards. Uh even though it's the. authorities who are breaking the law. illegally and once again helping bring. in a demographic that is openly saying. it wants to conquer. Okay, so that's the. problem with the West. That's why no. other civilization has these problems. because Islam can't do that to them and. they're not going to let it be done to. them. Whereas Islam can't do this to the. West, but the West is going out of its.

way to let it be done to them. >> What what percentage of these guys are. extremist in your in your opinion? What. percent? Because I know a lot of good. Muslims and I work with them and I have. no problem with them. What percentage of them believe it. to the point where they're. fundamentalist? I'm not talking about. the modern, you know, moderate or just. say, "What percentage would you say?". >> Uh obviously that's a hard question to. answer. I think it's a lot it's a bigger. percentage than most people think. However, I have an analogy. where I'll show you that even Okay, so I.

think everyone will agree I what the. smallest percentage I've heard, very. conservative, is 10. Okay, that's very. small. I think it's more than that. But. let's say 10%, okay? And the analogy I. like to give, I call it the the the 100. Muslim candies. So imagine if I give you. a jar and it has 100 candies. Okay? And um I tell you but 10% of them. might kill you. Right? Are you going to eat from that? And it's mixed up. You don't know which. is the candy. Are you going to give it. to your kids? Are you going to give it. to anyone? Are you going to give it to. your friend? Are you going to give it to. anyone uh short of someone you hate? No. So, I submit to you that that is exactly.

the situation. When you bring large. Muslim migrants uh populations, millions, at least 10% are going to be bad for. you. Okay? They're going to do what. we've seen, which is go stab people, kill little kids, crash trucks, uh. bomb churches, rape women, okay? It's. going to happen. You're accepting that. You are openly saying this is okay. All. right? Whereas a normal person, a normal. a person would never give that jar to. anyone because he knows in it not all of. it, and I get it. Yes, most of them are.

not going to do that. Most of the. candies taste great. But, at what point. does having the good candies, does. having the good Muslims, does that. outweigh the fact that you're going to. get the bad candy that will kill you or. the bad Muslim that will go on a on a. terrorist attack? Uh so, that's the way. I see it. It's not a question about uh. is the majority that way. I don't think. the majority is that way, but it's. really just just 1% is a problem. Right? Yeah. So, >> [clears throat]. >> so, you know, if you say that way, then.

that means, you know, regardless, it's. inevitable that some I just looked up. what percentage of uh China is Muslim, >> Mhm. >> and it's a good percentage. India, 14%. of the country is Muslims. 24 of their MPs are Muslims out of the. 543 selected seats. So, if you go. through the system, first they bring the religion to your. country, then they get involved in. politics, then they go into the. military. China, uh they have a major. example in Erkin. Tuniyaz, an ethnic Uyghur. He is.

currently the chairman of uh. Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous. Region Government and Deputy Secretary. of Jinping's Communist Party Committee. So, they're also gradually infiltrating. politically there as well. How How did. it happen in America? I mean, I've read. some stories about how they started all. of a sudden growing and you know how the. first mosque was built. But how did it. happen in America? How did it get in. here? >> Well, in America it's still actually. very small. If the numbers that I've. seen are accurate, something like 1% are. only Muslim. And a lot of something like. half of them are African or blacks who.

convert in prison. Okay? Or at least. that was the number I remember a few. years ago. So the numbers. Okay, so here's an interesting thing. that people don't know in Islamic law. Very well known teaching. If you as a. Muslim, you can't go willingly live in a. non-Muslim country. Okay? >> You can't go willingly? >> Historically that's what it was. Because. a non-Muslim country by nature it's the. infidel. >> It's the enemy. >> Yeah, why would you live with them? Okay? But. like I told you Islam's very elastic. when it comes to the welfare of Muslims.

themselves. And so once the West. basically said, "Oh yeah, freedom of. religion. You can come build mosques. You can come you know do whatever you. want." Yeah, then they started sending. them. And one of the other caveats that. you can go live in a in a non-Muslim. country is if you actually engage in. what's called Dawa, which is a preaching. Islam, trying to win over converts, win. over the goodwill of people. So that was So if you look in the you. know. if you look in the '60s and '70s. the people who were coming from the.

Middle Middle East and the Arab world. most of them were actually Christians. Okay? But it really started picking up. with Muslims later on. '80s, '90s and. increasingly so. And it's being. articulated again. Remember we talked about the Takiya and. we talked about Spain and I told you I. had lessons. And one of the lessons that. they wanted to keep that base Muslims in. Granada and have them pretend to be. Christians was to have a to have a force. there to try to reconquer. So a lot of. the Muslims that are being sent to.

America and and Europe they have that. idea in their head. We are essentially. we're Jihadists. Okay? Again in the good. term. We are struggling. We are striving. on behalf of Islam. And here we are in. an infidel country and we're trying. we're engaging in Dawa, we're trying to. do whatever. Okay? You see places in. Texas where they're having this, you. know, mosque problem, Sharia law. problem. And And this is with a 1% minority. So, imagine in in places like in Europe. where they have like 10% how aggressive. it is. And I've talked to those people,

and they tell me it's like a nightmare. You know, there's so many cities they. don't even want to enter or go near. because they're essentially taken over. You know, they're they're Islamic. enclaves. Literally, please don't enter. there. And that's that too is coming to. America. It's uh it's happening slower. because uh the population of Islam here. is nothing like in Europe, but it's the. same trajectory. >> Yeah, the. the president was giving a speech at the. United Nations. You were kind of quoting. it earlier. I saw that part where he. talked about what's going on with some. of these places. And and you see, you know, when you're.

saying Muslim Islam is weak right now. with manpower, right? But you see. Houthis. >> [clears throat]. >> 10 years ago they had 30,000 people in. their military. They're at 350,000 right. now. They have. you know, taken over a handful of places. already on the complete other choke. point that we have. You have the Strait. of Hormuz here. And [snorts] the other side is what? Ben. out uh uh. Mandeb or, you know, if I'm not. pronouncing it correctly. Uh uh Mandab, yeah. Bab al-Mandab Strait. And so, Houthis are there. You got IRGC on this.

side. And every time we say, "Oh, we. eliminated ISIS.". "We eliminated Al-Qaeda. We eliminated.". They reappear in a different way. somewhere else, right? So, when you're. saying they're weak and you see how. Houthis and IRGC have control of two. straits. At least it seems like it to. the world. No matter how many times we. say, "We own the strait. We control it.". Everybody is still waiting to see what. Iran's going to be doing. How do they. have so much power right now? In that region. >> Um well, okay. So, when I say they're.

weak, just so we understand, what I mean. is if let's say. Islam, the Islamic world versus the rest. of the world, and it's an all-out war. Okay, they're going to be done. If it's. just Islam versus the West, okay, in an. all-out war, just based on the. technology that the West have, they're. going to be done. Okay? It's just that. the West doesn't think that way. It's. never going to try to attack them that. way. But they have a in the particular. cases you're mentioning, they have that. kind of power because it's local. It's. there. They're Iran's been there, you. know, the Hormuz [clears throat] Straits. been its thing, right, for what?

Centuries, millennia? So, they they have that particular power. due to their local proximity, right? >> They have the power due to the local. proximity. >> they they have control over these things. just because they're. >> How should US and the rest of the world. handle that as they're expanding? Because if Houthis went from 30 to. 350,000, they're twice the size of. Israel. Israel's at 165, whatever their. number is. And they now have the third largest. military in the in the Middle East. I.

think Iran's number one at 610, and who. was number two? Egypt was two or four? Egypt's number two, and then you have. them at number three. Should Should the rest of the world just. kind of mind their own business and not. intervene, or should What's your. position based on the history? >> Well, okay, so this is a good question. because you're you're tying it in with. Islam. I'm talking about Islam, right? History, and you're bringing this in. >> If the threat is that big, should we. look aside and we'll be fine? >> Uh no, no, if there's a serious threat, of course, the threat, you know, it needs to be.

handled one way or the other. But here's. my my problem with that paradigm that. you're presenting, which a lot of people. do, is this. Okay? We can talk about it. as a realpolitik issue, which means, you. know, it's Iran, not from a ideological, religious point. of view. We can just say Iran's the. enemy for whatever reason, and it should. be dealt with. But the question that. you're asking, and I think a lot of. people are suggesting is, well, Iran is. an Islamic power, and you are here. talking about Islam, and then obviously. Iran is horrible, and we have to do.

something about it. Now, the issue I. have with that. is. and I hear this often is, well, I still. think it's a realpolitik thing because. historically the West's problems with. Islam came from Sunni nations, okay? It. was the Sunni all the people that I talk. about in these books historically, the. caliphates were all Sunnis, okay? It was. Muhammad's followers, uh the Umayyads, the Abbasids, the Seljuks, the Ottomans. These are the Barbary pirates. All of. these were Sunnis who terrorized now. I.

look at the West and I see America and. and right now today the most radical in. my opinion nations are Saudi Arabia. Uh. this is the home of Wahhabism and. Salafism. I know everyone everyone gets. shocked because they've had a great PR. campaign going on, but they're the home. That's the head of the snake. That's the. home of Islam actually. They're the ones. who use all their money to fund Wahhabi, which is the same thing, radical. literature, okay, all around the world. in the mosques, for example. They're the. ones who funded terrorist organizations.

Turkey is a Sunni nation, okay? The one country we didn't have a problem. with historically were were the Shias, the Persians, okay? It's kind of ironic. There were times Believe it or not, there was a time when Jews and Persians. were attacking Christians historically, uh like in the year 614 AD. All right? So, I tell you all this because I look. and you can't tell me this is a. religious thing when I see that Israel. and America is allied with the really. terrorist nations, okay? The Sunnis,

Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, okay? That's actually the existential war was. from there. That's where the ideology. comes. So, if you can ally with them, then it's then this is not a religious. war. Because when I think of the grand. jihad, it's not Iran. Iran is a. terrorist state. I'm not arguing that. and it it does what it does and it. should be um attacked for or should be. neutralized for that. But, if someone wants to make the. argument that, oh, that's the head of. the snake and if we can just neutralize.

Iran and everything's great and we're. friends with Saudi Arabia and with Egypt. and with. with Pakistan and with Turkey, yeah, you've lost then this is not about Islam. at all. This is actually diplomacy and. realpolitik and that's fine by me. I'm. not arguing that. But I think we need to. really clarify and get our terms correct. and understand what this is. So, is. America and Israel at war with Iran? Yeah, they are. Is there a legitimate. reason? Yeah, if there is it's not it's. not going to it's not because Iran's. Islamic. I don't think that. Because. America and Israel's friends with even. more radical Islamic nations, is what.

I'm trying to say. >> So, your concern is more Saudi than. Iran? >> Yeah, from from a historical. perspective, from an ideological. perspective, the West has been at war. with the Sunnis. >> One may say, well, look at what MBS is. doing. He wants to bring business in. He wants. to invest. >> Mhm. >> You got, you know, even the most basic thing somebody would. say is Ronaldo chose to go play over. there. They want to bring sports, golf, soccer, all this stuff. They maybe. they're realizing. Raymond, maybe you have a blind spot.

Maybe they want to westernize and maybe. they want to kind of become partners. Maybe that's what they're trying to. Maybe they just want to make money. What. would you say to that? >> Well, I would say. remember the doctrine of taqiyya and all. the lies that we talked about and all. the deception and all the. you know, um. all all the leeway Muslims are given to. actually deceive. Yeah, on the surface. they're doing all these reforms. That's. not changing what their religion is. about, which is what I described. earlier, okay, which is hatred for the. infidel, which is biting your time until.

the circumstance is right and then you. expand and then you attack and then you. subjugate. It makes perfect sense for. the descendants of Muhammad, in this. case Saudi Arabia, to be to be friends. with the West because he would have done. the same thing when he was weak and. outnumbered. That doesn't change the. long-term plan, okay? So, that's why if. you You to be an here's my point, if you. want to be enemies with Iran because. it's Islamic, well, you should be. enemies with all these countries. That. would be more sincere and and honest. But if we're friends with these. countries, then whatever beef we have.

with Iran, it's not because of religion. It's not because of Islam. Okay? Because. we are actually friends and in bed with. the guys who are the historic and. contemporary. problem from. Look at the West and Europe. All the. terrorist attacks, they're all Sunnis. I. never hear of Iranians in Europe. committing terrorists. I'm not saying. they don't exist, but it's it's always. Africans from sub-Saharan that's Sunni. It's always Arabs, Sunnis. It's always. whoever. These are all Sunni nations. So, if our problem in the West was.

actually if we wanted to get serious. about the war against Islam, we we. wouldn't be buddy-buddy with the. countries that I mentioned, Saudi Arabia. for example. All right? Again, this. isn't to say that Iran is good. It's to. say that if that's the case, then. whatever issue we have with Iran, it's. not about religion. I don't think Trump. is. >> current president. I don't think he. views it that way. I don't think he's a. religious guy studying saying. >> But there's a lot of people who use that. rhetoric. And what they're doing is. they're conflating different things.

>> I agree. I think he's a businessman. that's trying to broker deals and you. know, even even just yesterday when the. comment was was made about hey, uh. somebody said BB's not happy with you. selling F-35s to Turkey. >> Oh. >> And he says, I don't report to that guy. I I do whatever I think is right. So, what do you think about how close we are. with Turkey right now and even. empowering them? You think long-term. they're a bigger threat than Iran in. your eyes? >> So, Turkey was the historic, you know, all the battles I talk about here in. towards the end in these books, it's uh. it's Turkey. It's the Ottoman Empire.

Okay, this was Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks. The genocides, right? Um and. they they don't even want to admit it at. this point even though everyone knows. Uh but they were like they were the. scourge of the Christian world in Europe. for centuries. And they still have those. designs. Someone like Erdogan, you know, styles himself as some sort of neo. neo-ottoman caliph or or he wants to be. So, Turkey's are definitely a dangerous. nation as far as its potential. And so, yeah, this is what I mean. If you want. to be allied with Turkey, but but then.

you say Iran's a bad guy. Okay, that's. fine, but that tells me the issue is not. ideological. All right, this isn't about. religion. >> He He's not a true believer like you are. in this sense. This isn't something he. studied. Last thing for the audience to. have some fun with. You know, what What. can you tell us about Vlad the Impaler, you know? What What is the true story of. this guy? Was he a good guy? Was he a. villain? Was he a bad guy? >> You know, Vlad the Impaler is actually a. perfect mention in the context of what. we're talking about fake history. And. so, he's in this book actually. The. chapter eight's all about him. And.

what's interesting about him is okay, so. we. Vlad the Impaler, we know he's Count. Dracula, right? Count Dracula is a book. written in I think. 1890-something. by Bram Stoker, some Irish guy. And he. just he needed a name, and he got the. name from this guy, Vlad the Impaler, whose real name is Vlad Dracula. Dracula. means son of the devil or son of the. dragon. It's really. His father was a member of the Order of. the Dragon, which was actually a. Christian knightly. >> Vlad's father. >> Vlad's father. And his father, so he was.

the Dracul, the Order of the Dragon. Vlad is Dracula, meaning son of the. dragon, okay? So, that's just his name. Now, what happened is he just wanted he. wanted a name of some fierce guy, and. some guy told him, "Oh, use that name, Dracula." And so, he put it on his book, and now lo and behold, Dracula is a. blood sucking vampire who sleeps in the. day and comes up at night. Okay. Now, if. you go back to the actual Dracula and. why this all happened is. so, he what he was was basically. Romanian, Wallachia, and he he was taken.

he was a he was a prince. He should have. been They're known as voivodes, which. means like warlord of Romania or. Wallachia. He He taken him and his brother were. taken as captives because that's what. the Ottoman Muslim Turks would do. They. would take the the most powerful men, the kings, they'd take their sons as. captives to make sure or hostages to. make sure they behave. And so that the. two sons were taken. Muhammad the Conqueror, Mehmet II, who. conquered Constantinople in 1453, was a. young man then. And and basically he.

turned his brother, Vlad's brother, Radu, into his boy toy. Yeah, he because. Mehmet II was bisexual and he forced he. he forced the brother of Vlad to become. basically. a catamite, like his his second. >> This guy was a bisexual? >> Uh yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. Um and a pedophile and everything. And um and he's a hero in Turkey, by the. way. But um so and but Vlad would not. relent to that kind of thing and they.

would and he was very rebellious and he. was always being whipped in the Ottoman. prisons. Anyway, he find they find he. somehow escapes the young. >> No, the brother stays there the whole. time and he's just basically the sex. slave of Muhammad. In. intentionally, like he enjoys it or he. >> well, the original story is the first. time Muhammad tried to make a sexual. advance on him, he tried to kill him, Radu, the brother. He freaked out. But. then in these says he finally succumbed. and gave in, okay?

Uh and Vlad would not Vlad escaped and. eventually he becomes finally the. Voivode of Wallachia. Now, the [clears throat] situation's a mess. there, okay? You have Hungary, which is. a powerful Christian force, and you have. the Ottomans, and Wallachia is right in. the middle. And you know, the the. leaders, his predecessors, including his. father, are being deposed every year, okay? And his and his father was. actually murdered by his own people and. his brother was buried alive, okay? And.

and he, while he was in prison, saw all. the torture, experienced the torture, saw Ottomans impaling people. So, when he finally comes back, he just. he becomes so ruthless. His logic is the. only way I'm going to I'm going to have. any semblance of order is extreme. draconian, you know, just law. Anyone who makes. fault one false move, you're impaled. Okay? And what he was doing it but then. of course most of his wars against the. Ottomans. Um and they So, they send and they ask.

him for tribute. They say, "Okay, now. this is what this was the normal. behavior. The Ottomans would go to a. Christian power if they couldn't conquer. them and say, "Pay us." Basically, you. pay us and we'll leave you alone. Become. a vassal. And they would also take their children, their boys, and uh they would turn them. into Janissaries, okay? Which is uh. So, they would take the strongest young. Christian boys. and convert them to Islam forcibly and. raise them into jihadists, essentially. And they would become the most feared. force of the Ottoman army. Then they.

would unleash them back on the. Christians uh and it would be like a. perpetual cycle. So, they went to Vlad and said, "Okay, you owe some back money. You've been on. this throne and you we also want like. 500 Romanian boys.". Um and he said, "No." And when the. ambassadors came, it's kind of funny, they climbed all these steps to see him. and they're wearing turbans. And he gets. really annoyed with them and he. basically says, "And by the way, why. don't you remove your turban when you're. in front of me. you know, as a sign of respect?" And. they said, "Well, our religion and our. customs say we can't." So, he had he had.

his men nail the turbans on their heads. and and sent them back to Muhammad. >> What happened? >> No, that's true. And sent them back to. Muhammad saying, "Well, here, to make. sure your turban never falls off your. head, I'll help you." And then he sent. them to Muhammad and said, "And tell him. you're not taking our sons. >> Nailed the turban to their heads. Did. they die or were they just bleeding some. blood? >> blood, yeah. It says small nails, so I'm. sure they were very damaged. Um and. they're sent off. And at that point, Muhammad II. who who is raping is raping his brother, yeah. declares a massive jihad and he goes.

um and uh invades Wallachia. And as. usual, this Ottoman war machine, it's. something like he outnumbered Vlad by. something like 1 to 15, okay? And then. all that Vlad had were just like like, you know, farmers with farm tools to. fight. So, they engage in guerrilla. warfare, you know, they they can't meet. the Ottomans uh head-on, but they engage. in terror tactics, okay? That's what. guerrilla fighters do. So, at one night. Vlad, at the head of a like couple. thousand men, actually go into the.

Ottoman tent, the Ottoman camp, which is. like 100,000 men, looking for Muhammad. II to kill him. They wanted to kill. assassinate the sultan. Vlad went with. Vlad Oh, he he had he led the charge, okay? And um it it they killed a lot of. people, but they couldn't reach the. sultan. And and Muhammad was really. shook by this. And anyway, after that, they continue and they finally come to. Vlad's castle. And what they see is. what's called the forest of the impaled, literally thousands of of of Ottomans, Turks impaled on stakes, okay? And it's. like very horrific uh sight. So,

and eventually the Muhammad leaves at. that point. And he leaves his the gay. brother, Radu, who eventually over time. convinces the uh Wallachians to give up. the the war, and Vlad gets thrown in. jail, um but then he comes back out and. etc. But now Now to the real story is. So, later [clears throat] on, this is. Vlad's life coincides with the Gutenberg. Press. And he was one of the first. people who had a lot of propaganda. propaganda by his enemies done. And there were he had various enemies,

so they created this myth about him as. just this extreme sadist who impales and. kills. And there's some truth to it, but. what we're not told is that's what. That's what others were doing, too. That's what the Ottomans were doing. So, he got really demonized. And then when. you look at his actual correspondence. and letters, and I have them in the book. in Defenders of the West, he sees. himself as a Christian knight. defending Eastern Orthodox. Yeah, Eastern Orthodox, defending uh his land. from the Muslims, from the terrorists. And he you know and he was known to be.

friends with monks and he would hang out. at monasteries all the time. In fact, after he was killed and decapitated, a. group of monks took his body and buried. it. He was a generous patron to monks. So, he actually was. a Christian in that sense and he saw his. his crusade as a crusade against. invading Islam. But it's funny because. that's not the image we have, right? First, he's a a vampire, but then even. if you look at the historic sources, he's often presented as one of the most. evil men. But again, it's based. Historians know it's based on propaganda. that was created at the time by his.

enemies cuz he had a lot of enemies and. that yes, he was draconian. Yes, he. engaged in what would be considered. cruel um. but so did everyone else at the time. That's what See, that's the that's the. trick of history where they they make. you think that oh, like no one else was. doing that. Every Lots of people were. engaged in. >> have kids? Did he end up having kids. that ended up becoming leaders and seek. vengeance or no? >> No, I don't There's not much He had He. had two wives and there's very little. known about um. him having kids, actually. Um I don't think he did. >> So, when he died, was he a hero to his.

people? Did they know. >> till today. In Romania, they you know, so yeah, and that's an interesting. thing. In Romania, Vlad is one of the. top, I think, five most respected. figures in their history for the reasons. that I gave you. But to us, he's you. know, he's just this monster, right? >> Has there ever been a depiction Has. there ever been a movie or documentary. that tells the story the right way? >> Um no, not not the way that I talked. >> [laughter]. >> Chapter eight. They'll they'll they'll. So, you have two Vlads. You have the. Dracula, which is pure fictitious.

vampire. Then you have the one we're. talking about and there there's I've. seen some movies that engage in some of. it, but not it doesn't come out the way. I I I read it from the book. >> him? Who killed him? How How did they. kill him? >> Finally, with the Ottomans, the Turks. They finally It's supposed to It's. unclear what happened, but it seems to. have been betrayal, like some Ottoman. spy went there pretending to be a. Romanian and he worked with him and. eventually stabbed him in the back. >> As an inside. >> And they got his head and they put it on. the gates of Constantinople, which by. then were conquered by Muhammad II.

>> As a statement for all the impaling that. he did to others. And what is the. number? Is it 20,000 or something I've. read that uh. >> Yeah, he impaled a lot of people. >> Yeah. >> Ottomans. >> As a as a way of making a statement to. his people or as a way of making. >> as a way of fighting fire with fire, which means look, I'm outnumbered, I'm. weak, you're this Ottoman behemoth war. machine, and I'm going to terrify you. >> This guy has a warrior mindset to do So, he knew he was going to eventually get. killed. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, his story is. fascinating. Um. >> Well, you're you're fascinating, man. I.

can I can sit here and talk to you for. hours, and I'll look forward to our next. visit because I think 2 hours is not. enough, but this has been incredible. sitting down with you. >> Yeah. >> And uh. uh if you're watching this, if you. haven't yet gone and ordered a book. Sword and Scimitar, we're going to put. the link below. to go uh place uh the order for the book. and support it, and we want this message. to spread for more people. So, if you. enjoy the content as well, share it with. others and ask them what they took away. with this great conversation with the. great Raymond Ibrahim, brother. >> Appreciate you. >> Thanks, Patrick.

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